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Mayor Fullmer opened the meeting at11 PM. Councilmember Cameron gave the invocation and led the Pledge of Allegiance.           WORKSESSION No work items weresubmitted.          PUBLICCOMMENTS
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Mayor Fullmer called for public comments. She recognized Representative Abbot in attendance.
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Resident Daria Evans living in The Villas subdivision, thank Councilmember Rasmussen for getting the fencing for garden plots. She asked about the fire station and the location of the firehouse. She asked about the budget meeting being opened to the public. City Recorder Pamela Spencer explained that the doors were shut due to external noise. Ms. Evans asked if the City Council and Utah City were working towards solutions to the parking issue on Main Street (north of the Vineyard Connector) and Utah Transit Authority (UTA) parking lot.
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Resident Karen Cornelious, living in The Villas subdivision, mentioned that she did not hate Vineyard, just some of the things that were going on. She asked about the consent item on the December,23 City Council agenda and if there had been a discussion in previous meetings about the World Trade Center membership. She also asked about the Municipal Code amendment Ordinance23-32 and how they could change it.
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Resident Kim Cornelous, living in The Villas subdivision, mentioned that he had been voted in as a delegate and had hosted a candidates night at a clubhouse where five (5) candidates attended including Representative Nelson Abbott. He asked why the city was paying a lobbyist when we could be using Representative Abbott free to the city.
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Mayor Fullmer answered the public comments. ·        Fire station – Mr. Brim could show her the location after the meeting ·        Parking issue – It is a UTA Parking lot ·        Consent Items – the WTC was discussed in a retreat and then a public meeting and then voted on again. ·        Meeting with a1 vote. She said that they could review the requirement for bringing something back to council. ·        State Legislation – Jeff Hartley explained the bill at the previous council. The council discussed ways to set parameters around special sessions. ·        Why a lobbyist – in the last retreat they agreed to review how the city was using the lobbyist        MAYOR AND COUNCILMEMBERS'REPORTS/DISCLOSURES/RECUSALS
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Councilmember Cameron asked about comcast boxes. Reach out to Comcast and Naseem about what was happening. A discussion ensued about using the original Utah Flag. The goal was to fly the state flag as much as possible unless the state prohibited.
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Councilmember Sifuentes reported on attending an East Geneva tour, an Alpine School District survey for the potential split. She met with the district regarding location of special needs classrooms, safer routes for kids on the east side of the train tracks. She also reported that there would be a meeting for Huntsman working towards planning.
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Councilmember Rasmussen reported on the fencing for the community garden, and that there would be ARCH Commission meeting next week.
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Councilmember Holdaway felt they should advertise the budget meetings at least a week in advance. He mentioned that he had deputized CPAs to work on the general ledger and felt that the city should have a public facing ledger. A discussion ensued. City Attorney Jayme Blakesley clarified the sharing of the general ledger. Councilmember Holdaway felt that the city should spell out acronyms for the public view and post the agendas seven (7) days in advance. He asked for a follow up on the fire house. Community Development Director Morgan Brim explained that they would get the notices out next week. Councilmember Sifuentes asked if they could collaborate with the developer to pass along the firehouse information to homeowners. Councilmember Holdaway noted that he had been able to work with Representative Nelson. He mentioned that he wanted to put things behind them. He also mentioned the Walkara Way process.
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Mayor Fullmer called for a motion to nominate a mayor pro tempore.
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Motion: COUNCILMEMBER HOLDAWAY NOMINATED COUNCILMEMBER SIFUENTES AS MAYOR PRO TEMPORE. COUNCILMEMBER CAMERON SECONDED THE NOMINATION. ROLL CALL WENT AS FOLLOWS: MAYOR FULLMER, COUNCILMEMBERS CAMERON, HOLDAWAY, RASMUSSEN, AND SIFUENTES VOTED YES. THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.   Mayor Fullmer and Councilmember Rasmussen left the meeting at53 PM.         CONSENTITEMS1.      Approval of the March,24, City Council MeetingMinutes2.      Approval of the24 Municipal Wastewater Management Planning ProgramAnnual Report
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Mayor pro tempore Sifuentes called for a motion. Councilmember Holdaway asked to pull item2 for discussion.
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Motion: COUNCILMEMBER CAMERON MOVED TO APPROVE CONSENT ITEM1. COUNCILMEMBER HOLDAWAY SECONDED THE MOTION. MAYOR PRO TEMPORE SIFUENTES, COUNCILMEMBERS CAMERON AND HOLDAWAY VOTED YES. MAYOR FULLMER AND COUNCILMEMBER RASMUSSEN WERE EXCUSED. THE MOTION CARRIED WITH TWO ABSENT.
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5.2 Approval of the24 Municipal Wastewater Management Planning ProgramAnnual Report
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There was a discussion about the report. Environmental Utilities Crew Lead Chris Jackson gave an overview of the report. The discussion continued.   Mayor pro tempore Sifuentes called for a motion.
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Motion: COUNCILMEMBER HOLDAWAY MOVED TO APPROVE ITEM2 APPROVAL OF THE24 MUNICIPAL WASTEWATER MANAGEMENT PLANNING PROGRAMANNUAL REPORT. COUNCILMEMBER CAMERON SECONDED THE MOTION. MAYOR PRO TEMPORE SIFUENTES, COUNCILMEMBERS CAMERON AND HOLDAWAY VOTED YES. MAYOR FULLMER AND COUNCILMEMBER RASMUSSEN WERE EXCUSED. THE MOTION CARRIED WITH TWO ABSENT.          APPOINTMENTSNo names weresubmitted.            PRESENTATIONS/RECOGNITIONS/AWARDS/PROCLAMATIONS No items weresubmitted.         BUSINESSITEMS1.      Public Hearing - Consolidated Fee Schedule Changes (Resolution2024-08) City Manager Eric Ellis will present proposed amendments to the Consolidated Fee Schedule. The Mayor and City Council will act to adopt (or deny) this request by resolution. Mayor pro tempore Sifuentes called for a motion to open the public hearing.
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Motion: Councilmember Holdaway moved to open the public hearing at59 PM. Councilmember Cameron seconded the motion. Mayor Pro Tempore Sifuentes, Councilmembers Cameron and Holdaway voted yes. The motion carried with two absent.
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City Attorney Eric Ellis presented the consolidated fee amendments.
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Mayor pro tempore Sifuentes clarified that the last page was for developers. She asked about the tree replacement fee. A discussion ensued about who pays for a damaged tree.
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Mayor pro tempore called for public comments. Hearing none, she called for a motion to close the public hearing.
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Motion: COUNCILMEMBER HOLDAWAY MOVED TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT05 PM. COUNCILMEMBER CAMERON SECONDED THE MOTION. MAYOR PRO TEMPORE SIFUENTES, COUNCILMEMBERS CAMERON AND HOLDAWAY VOTED YES. MAYOR FULLMER AND COUNCILMEMBER RASMUSSEN WERE EXCUSED. THE MOTION CARRIED WITH TWO ABSENT.   Mayor pro tempore Sifuentes called for questions from the council.
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Councilmember Holdaway felt that they needed more time to discuss the changes. He asked about the increases. Mr. Ellis explained that it was sewer rate increases and were passed through to Timpanogos Special Service District (TSSD). A discussion ensued about sewer rates. Public Works Director Naseem Ghandour explained that they would notify the citizens in advance of the increase. There was a discussion about using social media. Mr. Blakesley clarified that they could not vote on items not on the agenda but could give direction to staff to notice it appropriately. The discussion continued about adding items to the motion.
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Motion: COUNCILMEMBER HOLDAWAY MOVED TO ADOPTED RESOLUTION24-08 CONSOLIDATED FEE SCHEDULE CHANGES AS PRESENTED. COUNCILMEMBER CAMERON SECONDED THE MOTION. ROLL CALL WENT AS FOLLOWS: MAYOR PRO TEMPORE SIFUENTES, COUNCILMEMBERS CAMERON AND HOLDAWAY VOTED YES. MAYOR FULLMER AND COUNCILMEMBER RASMUSSEN WERE EXCUSED. THE MOTION CARRIED WITH TWO ABSENT.  2.      Public Hearing - Vineyard City Fiscal Year23-2024 Budget Amendment#4 (Resolution24-09) City Manager Eric Ellis will present proposed amendments to the FiscalYear23-2024 Budget. The mayor and city council will act to adopt (or deny) this request byresolution.
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Mr. Ellis reviewed the budget amendments. There was a discussion about the-acre parcel. Mr. Ellis continued the review. There was a discussion about the TAG Grant (Technical Assistance Grant).   Mayor pro tempore Sifuentes called for a motion to open the public hearing.
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Motion: Councilmember Holdaway moved to open the public hearing at20 PM. Councilmember Cameron seconded the motion. Mayor Pro Tempore Sifuentes, Councilmembers Cameron and Holdaway voted yes. The motion carried with two absent.   Mayor pro tempore Sifuentes called for public comments.
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Ms. Evans asked for clarification on the TAG Grant. Mr. Brim replied that it was for Mill Road and would provide a masterplan for way-finding signage throughout the city.
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Motion: COUNCILMEMBER CAMERON MOVED TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT21 PM. COUNCILMEMBER HOLDAWAY SECONDED THE MOTION. MAYOR PRO TEMPORE SIFUENTES, COUNCILMEMBERS CAMERON AND HOLDAWAY VOTED YES. MAYOR FULLMER AND COUNCILMEMBER RASMUSSEN WERE EXCUSED. THE MOTION CARRIED WITH TWO ABSENT.   Mayor pro tempore Sifuentes called for questions from the council.
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Councilmember Holdaway asked about spending funds on planning something on state lands. He expressed concern with planning the beach front plans. Mayor pro tempore Sifuentes asked if any of the areas being planned were on state lands. Mr. Brim explained that the designs were on Vineyard property and that the planning contract would be done through Mountainland of Governments (MAG). The discussion continued. There was also a discussion about trails and bike usage.
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Motion: COUNCILMEMBER CAMERON MOVED TO ADOPT RESOLUTION24-09 FISCAL YEAR24 BUDGET AMENDMENT #4 AS PRESENTED. COUNCILMEMBER HOLDAWAY SECONDED THE MOTION. ROLL CALL WENT AS FOLLOWS: MAYOR PRO TEMPORE SIFUENTES, COUNCILMEMBERS CAMERON AND HOLDAWAY VOTED YES. MAYOR FULLMER AND COUNCILMEMBER RASMUSSEN WERE EXCUSED. THE MOTION CARRIED WITH TWO ABSENT.             CLOSEDSESSION
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Mayor pro tempore Sifuentes called for a motion to go into a closed session.
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Motion: COUNCILMEMBER HOLDAWAY MOVED TO HOLD A CLOSED SESSION TODAY ON APRIL AT32 PM, TO GO INTO A CLOSED SESSION TO HOLD A STRATEGY SESSION TO DISCUSS PENDING OR REASONABLY IMMINENTLITIGATION. COUNCILMEMBER CAMERON SECONDED THE MOTION. ROLL CALL WENT AS FOLLOWS: MAYOR PRO TEMPORE SIFUENTES, COUNCILMEMBERS CAMERON AND HOLDAWAY VOTED YES. MAYOR FULLMER AND COUNCILMEMBER RASMUSSEN WERE EXCUSED. THE MOTION CARRIED WITH TWO ABSENT.   .      ADJOURNMENT
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Mayor pro tempore Sifuentes adjourned the meeting at33 PM.    MINUTES APPROVED ON:    April,24   CERTIFIED CORRECT BY:       Pamela Spencer, CIty Recorder
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All right. Thank you so much for your patience. Today is April 10th, 2024. The time is 611, and I'm going to call our Vineyard 00:00:07
City Council meeting to session. We'll start out with Council Member Cameron, who will lead us in an invocation and Pledge of 00:00:14
Allegiance. 00:00:20
Are there Father in heaven? We come before thee at the beginning of this Council meeting. 00:00:32
And ask for thy spirit and thy guidance and all that we do and the decisions that we make and. 00:00:36
Our interaction with each other we. 00:00:42
Pray that that will help us to keep in mind that we work for the citizens of Vineyard and. 00:00:44
And that we represent them and want to do everything we can to make their quality of life better and keep it good and. 00:00:49
Be mindful of. 00:00:59
Always preserving and protecting our freedoms. We're grateful for this amazing country that we live in and ask for thy blessing 00:01:01
upon it and say these things in the sacred name of Jesus Christ. Amen. Amen. 00:01:07
All right. 00:01:14
All right. That puts us right into public comments. This is a time to come and discuss with the council about things that are not 00:01:33
currently on the agenda. If you have a comment, please come up to the podium, state your name and where you're from. I'd just like 00:01:40
to welcome and recognize our representative Nelson Abbott, who's with us this evening. Thank you so much for being here. And we 00:01:46
await your comments. Oh, and from last time, there was a comment that was provided about some of the reclamation that's being done 00:01:52
on the north side. 00:01:58
I did call the entity and they said that they pull a document together to answer some of your questions. So we don't have that 00:02:05
today, but we'll get that to you. So thank you. Come on forward. 00:02:10
Good evening, Daria Evans, senior residents. Thank you very much. 00:02:22
I I missed a lot at the March 27th meeting and so I do have a couple of questions about that meeting. But First off, I want to 00:02:29
thank Councilman Rasmussen for getting the finance of the fencing for the gardening plots. That's really great. I'm glad that 00:02:34
that's going to go in. 00:02:40
I just have a question about the fire station. There was a discussion, it's 3.1 on the 27th of March agenda. As it was stated that 00:02:48
Mike Olson acquired the property for the fire station, I'd like to know where the location of that property is. 00:02:56
Mr. Brim helped me with that. 00:03:08
And then another question that I have. 00:03:10
Is today you had a work session for budget planning, and I was wondering if the public was also invited to that meeting at 4:00 00:03:14
because I came and the doors were closed and I thought, oh, OK, maybe not. So I shut the doors because there was a lot of noise 00:03:22
outside. Yeah. I I peeked around the corner. I saw it was closed. I didn't hear anybody. That's OK. That's OK. I'll know the next 00:03:29
time. Yeah. OK. Thank you. 00:03:37
And then I just have one last question. 00:03:45
I'd like to know if the City Council and Utah City are working towards some solutions to alleviate a parking problem north of the 00:03:48
Connector on Main Street and the roads leading to the UTA parking lots. 00:03:56
Something being done about that. It's really getting pretty bad and those are my questions and comments. Thank you. 00:04:04
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Karen Cornelius, resident. 00:04:22
First of all, I think that there might be a misconception that those of us who. 00:04:25
Come and share concerns that we have hate vineyards, and I want you to know we don't hate vineyards. There are things we just like 00:04:31
about what's going on in Vineyard, but it has nothing to do with us, Haiti Vineyard or where we live. I have a question regarding 00:04:36
consent items on the agenda. 00:04:41
I realized that on December 13th there was a consent item on the agenda that allowed for the money that was paid for World Trade 00:04:48
Center for our Ambassador memberships. 00:04:54
That was not something that was written on the agenda in such a way that the public would have had any idea what you were 00:05:02
consenting to. So was there discussion in limited meetings with without a quorum, of course. But with council members that went 00:05:09
over what those items were and what the amounts were. We were blindsided. And you know that there were a good number of us here. 00:05:17
We have no idea what you were voting on. Many of us were outside of the room. 00:05:25
So we couldn't even hear what was going on because there were too many people. So I'm curious how those items become consent 00:05:33
items. What takes place prior to that and how can we, the public, understand better when we just see a bunch of acronyms on an 00:05:41
agenda and some numbers? We have no idea what it means. 00:05:49
Second of all, I have a concern about that same meeting and that it was the meeting where the 4:00 to 1:00. 00:05:57
Power, I call it a power grab, took place and the question was asked of our city attorney how we could ever change that and we 00:06:05
were told we could change that with a three to two vote. 00:06:12
We are now learning that is not the case. 00:06:19
That four to one is stuck. 00:06:22
On the pages of Vineyards Political history. And I want to know what we're going to do about that, because that was wrong to let 00:06:25
the citizens believe that there was something that could be done. And now to find out that there's nothing that can be done and 00:06:32
that that is just part of who we are now. So again, we don't hate Vineyard, but there are a lot of things happening here that we 00:06:38
dislike. And that's what I would like to say. Thank you. 00:06:45
Kim Cornelius resident. 00:07:02
On you picking it up, OK. 00:07:05
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I was. 00:07:10
Somewhat blindsided by a vote that took place at a caucus meeting earlier this year where a neighbor put forth my name as a. 00:07:13
Just lost their delegate for Utah County, and then the attendees in that meeting had the audacity to vote be in and. 00:07:25
So being a transplant from California, I've felt a little bit out of place because we vote in a primary, we're over and done, 00:07:34
We're back home again feeling great about whatever it was that was going on. 00:07:39
And my work had only just begun. And so one of the things I did last Thursday, I hosted A candidates night at our Vineyard Club or 00:07:45
our Village Clubhouse, where five of the many candidates that are running for office attended, one of which was our current 00:07:52
sitting representative, Nelson Abbott. 00:07:58
That was a treat to have him there. We were able to spend some time afterwards talking and. 00:08:05
I'm just a little concerned it it seems like Nelson is a duly elected state official. 00:08:12
We don't pay him a dime, and vineyard is a priority in his area of of coverage for District #57. He does his work for free. Well, 00:08:21
that's not necessarily true. The state does pay him, but we don't pay him a dime. 00:08:30
There was an episode at the close of the legislative session it's left to go round where a bill was put forward that had an 00:08:39
addendum on it. It would severely curtail some of the powers of city councils and other entities. And through Nelson's help, and 00:08:46
I'll just add out loud, going toe to toe with our lobbyist Jeff Hartley, which seems a little strange to me. Nelson represents 00:08:53
this, and Jeff's supposed to be representing us, but they were on two different sides of the issue. 00:09:00
And that addendum was pulled. 00:09:08
But yet we're paying Mr. Hartley somewhere in the neighborhood of $80,000 a year to represent us. Again, I'm asking why are we 00:09:11
paying somebody to represent us who obviously in that instance was not there with our best interest? They probably had someone 00:09:17
else's best interest in mind. And our representative that was voted in took that task and got it to the finish line where that 00:09:24
addendum was removed from the bill. 00:09:31
Now we understand for Mr. Hartley, who graced our presence here, who raised us with his presence here at our last City Council 00:09:38
meeting, said, well, you won for the time being, but it's not over. We're going to get pushed through next year. 00:09:44
Well, that remains to be seen. So my big question is why are we paying somebody to in, in some instances, lobby against us? When 00:09:51
we let a representative sitting in this room tonight that takes care of us because he answers to us and he doesn't get paid by us. 00:09:58
He just, that's part of his responsibility as our House Representative in District 57. 00:10:05
OK. Thank you so much. I'm going to go ahead and close the public comments to answer a few things. 00:10:16
The fire station location, Morgan can share that with you. Afterwards, go ahead and connect and then he can show you a map or any 00:10:24
of our staff can really And then as far as. 00:10:29
The City Council working on the parking, so UTA and Utah City and the city have been actively working on that parking area and 00:10:37
that's. 00:10:42
UTAS parking lot and we're working on how can we get funding to solve that parking problem inside there. 00:10:48
Let's see the consent items. Consent items usually become consent when they've been discussed before. So the World Trade Center 00:10:55
was discussed openly in a retreat and a public meeting, and then it was voted on again later in the year and then voted on again. 00:11:02
And so if it had World Trade Center. 00:11:08
With just the abbreviations, it was probably assumed that the Council understood it because it was voted in multiple times through 00:11:17
that year. 00:11:20
When that was discussed. 00:11:27
And so because there is public meetings, it's able to go under consent. As far as World Trade Center or WTC, if you had any 00:11:28
questions as opposed to 24 hours in advance and so you would have seen it and that 24 hours in advance. 00:11:36
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The meeting that you talked about there was a four to one vote. It was a four to one vote. So the the council all felt that that 00:11:50
was an important move. I'm not sure what you were told as far as the three to two votes. We could go back and review it and then 00:11:57
maybe you could talk to our staff and our attorney and I will connect you. Let's see. 00:12:04
Not right now, but we can talk about it afterwards. OK, the vote for the caucus. Let's see, last meeting we did have definitely 00:12:13
here who talked about the addendum that was made to the bill and it talks about how the City Council would have an opportunity. 00:12:20
This is the the wording close to the wording, the paraphrasing of it to vote as a council to come up with a strategy for how to 00:12:27
talk about special sessions in a prior council. So it doesn't take away power, It just talked about the idea that a City Council 00:12:33
could vote on something. 00:12:40
That's number one, and I think it's important to recognize that number two, in the council's before that, our City Council had 00:12:47
discussed the need to make parameters and set parameters around special sessions because they weren't going according to how the 00:12:53
full City Council wanted to see them happen. So we talked about that in the last meeting. They talked about how he felt. You know, 00:12:59
there was a minority side that wanted it one way. We talked about how the law, there's always a majority that votes for it. We 00:13:05
talked about that viewpoint and. 00:13:11
Hartley also talked about why he was working on that at that time. 00:13:18
Now, there's all sorts of reasons we have for why we have a lobbyist. You'll be happy as that's part of your question. It seems to 00:13:21
know that in the retreat we talked about one of the priorities being let's review and see why we need a lobbyist or why we're 00:13:29
using some of the resources or partnerships that we're utilizing. And so we'll have more on that as we do that review. 00:13:37
And you can connect with Naseem on that as well. He has their number. 00:14:26
Is it is it likely in the future that I'll be able to use it or to flagship shut that down? I I heard little things about it, but 00:14:31
nothing really to clarify. I think it's a complicated issue right now where they're going to the state to try to find out what 00:14:37
their rights are and so we'll probably learn more about it. And in the meantime, we're having to send people to Comcast to deal 00:14:43
with any problems that they caused in people's yards right now. 00:14:49
So. 00:14:56
Marty, sorry. So we talked about the original Utah flag, but I haven't seen it put up yet. 00:14:59
Got lost in translation. 00:15:11
The council recommended moving ahead with what the mimicking what the state law was on the use of the historic flag and that's for 00:15:15
12 different holidays throughout throughout the year and so it will be posted at each of those holidays. OK, so it seems like we 00:15:22
found out that we can only raise it during those times we're prohibited. I feel like the city should be able to push to push back 00:15:30
on that. We in the last Fifth were prohibited flying the. 00:15:37
Other day. 00:15:46
Hold on the council. The council recommendation with the approval was let's mimic the state law and the state law is recommends 00:15:48
using the historic flag on on the the 12 or 13. 00:15:54
Recognized holidays, I remember talking about it, but I don't remember that we actually made that decision. No, we did. But what 00:16:02
we said was we want to put it up as much as possible in accordance with state law. So if the state law is saying that we can't do 00:16:09
that, then we would do it in accordance with state law. It it does not speak in the in the. 00:16:15
Negative. It speaks in the affirmative in the state code that says when we can do it, Yes. So, Jamie, I guess what would your 00:16:22
recommendation be on making sure we're going in accordance with the law? 00:16:28
I think Eric's given an accurate summary of how I read that. It doesn't get into the detail of you know when you shouldn't or 00:16:36
should fly it. It does give restrictions on which is flown higher than the other and the new flag flies higher, the older flag 00:16:43
flies lower. And then the way the state law works, at least for state entities, is that the state flag flies on the designated 00:16:50
holidays or ceremonial. 00:16:57
So we wanted to fly the state flag, the older state flag, all the time we could. 00:17:05
So I'm understanding that I I don't think it prohibits it. OK, I think. 00:17:14
Our goal was to fly it and as much as possible, unless the state prohibited it, Is that right? I feel like that is what it is, so 00:17:19
I thought it was that it prohibited that. 00:17:25
Yeah, that's kind of what I understood. I think during the motion it said let's follow the the state law, we're happy to know. 00:17:31
I think the recommendation versus the law I guess. So I think it was just. 00:17:42
I So what Marty is saying is that we want to follow the state law to fly it whenever we can. Not necessarily. Yeah, not 00:17:48
necessarily the affirmative dates recommended will this flight all the time. 00:17:54
And not have to worry about taking it down Perfect, then it'll work out. That's what I think, and there's a lot of perfectly. 00:18:02
Marty, OK, now I'm ready. Sorry about that. 00:18:12
So specifically, probably the most. 00:18:16
There's been a few meetings or several meetings I've been to. The notable ones was I did get to go on an E Geneva tour, which was 00:18:20
really cool. I got to go and see the, what they call the Red Sea, where there's a lot of iron in the soil and I got to see just 00:18:28
kind of what the Land's looking like and got more information about what the soil conditions are in the East Geneva sites. That 00:18:35
was really cool, what they're working on there. It is a huge project. 00:18:43
I think it's what little boys dream of so and they said that if there's anyone in the community that's ever interested that they 00:18:51
would be willing to take others. So if you want to set that up, please let me know and I can reach out. 00:18:57
Another thing that's been really kind of prominent in my schedule is Alpine School District, just some communications with them. 00:19:04
They've had their study for the survey for the split, for their, the results from the study for the potential split of Alpine 00:19:12
School District. And they're going to be having a board meeting I believe on April 23rd and I can confirm that date, but they're 00:19:21
having that. So on April 23rd they're doing the MTG. 00:19:29
Nothing has been decided yet. It's still kind of in the evaluation phase And then also just talking about safer routes for our 00:20:12
kids specifically that live on the east side of the train tracks. We're looking to make sure that when they're they're walking or 00:20:20
if we somehow possibly potentially could ever get them back to the bus situation or having a future conversation about getting 00:20:27
them across near their school. And so that's continually. 00:20:35
In conversation that we'll have to work towards, but it was a really positive. 00:20:43
Good working meeting and I hope to have more with them in the future. And then? 00:20:49
I think that was the main two things I wanted to share. Am I forgetting anything this week? I know that there's a meeting for 00:20:57
Huntsman working towards some of the planning. 00:21:02
And that's exciting. So I may or may not be able to be at that meeting, but I will report back what I learned and that's it. OK, 00:21:09
Amber. 00:21:13
Just a story I mentioned. We've got Benson coming in for our community gardens and we have an Arts Commission meeting on Thursday. 00:21:18
I believe they'll be talking about vineyard days, so stopping if you want to hear about that. Perfect. 00:21:25
Jake. 00:21:31
I wanted to just a couple of things. Um. 00:21:37
I think I'm very grateful for the opportunity to do the budget meeting today. I thought it was really good from our retreat that 00:21:42
we were able to do it. I think we could improve upon that to have the door open. I apologize, but I also think every subsequent 00:21:48
budget meeting, I know that we have dates on it. 00:21:54
I think that we should do it like advertise those much more like at least a week in advance. I have a group of five or six Cpas 00:22:00
that are going to look over and prepare me to do that and I think it would be very helpful for them to so that they could be here 00:22:06
at those. 00:22:12
But I did agree to this meeting with a but it was it was really hard from a month to know about it on a Monday. But I'm grateful 00:22:19
that you that we did the meeting because I know we just did that so. 00:22:24
I'm grateful that they gave us the meaning. But if we could, Eric, just let's think it through and all of them moving forward if 00:22:30
we could get it because. 00:22:35
I think would be helpful and then my group of Cpas did get it were deputized. I just want to let general public know to get that 00:22:41
now. But I do think it's in good faith to make and I think we should have a policy on this to have a public facing Ledger. I know 00:22:48
there's minor names that are in it that is making it difficult, but if we as a policy told Christie to never put anything in there 00:22:55
at the beginning and this was a recommendation from the state auditor. 00:23:02
That so that it is so easy to be downloadable. I'm being approached by many different voices guarded library. 00:23:10
La Caraway people and I believe that the citizens should be able to dissect it and come and attack me on any issue of it and say, 00:23:18
well, I think this is more worth than this. And one of the things that I think it gives an unlevel advantage towards us if they 00:23:26
don't have the data as equally as I do. So if we could we just do a policy on that. I don't know if it takes another week to think 00:23:33
about that, but like if we just said that, I think it's such a good message First city. 00:23:41
I think that we could look it over and see what is necessary to put in a budget as we review some of the other financial things 00:23:49
that we're reviewing and then bring it back to the table. I understand going, yeah and I understand going back last year I might 00:23:56
take Pam a lot of work to do, but if it's forward facing, there were a few different cities that they were like at we do a a 00:24:04
report every 90 days and they just make it public so that people can attack me on why we spent this so quick clarity. 00:24:12
But just criticize and give feedback. Can you clarify how the general ledger's going out deputized was used just now? But I would 00:24:20
like I'd like to clarify the word deputized. 00:24:26
The state used the word deputized with me in that they are authorized to use it, but the group of Cpas cannot share that out side 00:24:33
of them, so they can't talk about it publicly. 00:24:38
Right. That's what I was told. I don't know what you mean by deputize if if if by what you mean is that you're sharing. 00:24:44
Information that was classified as private or protected with individuals outside of city government and. 00:24:54
We probably ought to talk. 00:25:03
So maybe you could share what was discussed in the retreat for Jamie so that there can be full clarity and this will be really 00:25:06
helpful for Jake as well as he moves forward. Jamie wrote the e-mail I sent allowing you to share with your Cpas, the general 00:25:13
Ledger. But anything to make public is is up to you and to be cautious about what you are making. But I so I want to be absolutely 00:25:20
clear in the meeting here. 00:25:27
There I'm not the records officer and so I don't make the decision as to what is private, protected or. 00:25:35
Control Pam is the records officer. She makes those choices. She'll consult with me when she has questions on. On the Ledger that 00:25:42
you requested, there were some payments that related to. 00:25:49
Minors, they were like payments of fines, fees. Some of them were employees of the city in kind of parks and recs and those kind 00:25:57
of functions and Pam and reviewing it had some questions about whether. 00:26:04
Their names ought to be classified as private. Whether she should go through the Ledger and pull that out. 00:26:12
It's not entirely clear in the Grandma statue what those would be classified as, but we thought we ought to err on the side of 00:26:19
caution there. That was the only category or kind of description of things that she was concerned about. Everything else, I think, 00:26:24
was. 00:26:29
Public and can be shared publicly. So you were given one version of the documents printed that had that information redacted, and 00:26:34
then another version without it redacted. And then I gave Pam a little note that just says we're giving that to you as a council 00:26:41
member so that you may review it, but I don't think it's appropriate for you to share it with. 00:26:49
Non elected officials or non employees of the city and and I don't think it appropriate either for the city to deputize people 00:26:57
that are not elected or are not employees of the city to view unredacted private or protected information. We can't do that under 00:27:05
grandma and that's why I had Pam send a little paragraph to you when she transmitted that. So just for a little more clarification 00:27:13
on some things with what's posted on the transparency website is. 00:27:22
Quite a bit different. 00:27:32
But I do believe you know, as minors, as employees, those will show up but they won't designate their age. But what we're asking 00:27:34
is just caution if you choose to share something. 00:27:40
So when you're saying cost and you're choosing to clarify, you're choosing to share something with the idea. And Jake, maybe this 00:27:48
is what you're about to say that you're going to verify before you share that page or something like that? 00:27:55
Yes, it's on transparency. You can share it, but if it's something that's not we we went through that. I can look through it. So 00:28:05
yeah, just just reach out to me and I'll. 00:28:11
And we'll make a decision determination on it. 00:28:19
I was wondering, so can he or can't? Because we're getting a little bit of different information, so he can not share it with his 00:28:24
Cpas, not in total, not he can't send the whole document to the CPA. 00:28:32
That includes the questionable information. I mean we could, we could, I sent it. So they said OK, she told me. So I think I 00:28:41
miscommunication as well. So let's talk offline about how to handle kind of recall of that, but. 00:28:48
I I am. Pam gets to make the choices about what's private and protected. She's concerned about the names of minor employees of the 00:28:57
city and their payroll information with the name attached. And then concerns about fees, fines, those kinds of things that may 00:29:04
have been paid by minors. And so I'd like to have a conversation with you. We can do it offline about that information. Aren't 00:29:11
Pam's intent with that is not. 00:29:19
To prevent you from getting information, it's just that she has no other process other than a manual 1 to go through the Ledger 00:29:27
and filter those things out. There's not a column or a button. 00:29:33
In the financial system that lets you identify which things were transactions involving minors and which weren't. The the 00:29:40
information pushed to the transparency website is fully public. It's routine and how it does it it's you can always go and pull it 00:29:46
up and at the intervals that it's updated, it's there the the budget information, not the expensive information, but the overall 00:29:53
budget of course is a public document. The preliminaries published early in the year and then the final budget is published and as 00:29:59
it's updated. 00:30:06
It's there. 00:30:13
You as a council member can come in and review the Ledger information whenever you'd like in its unredacted format. With 00:30:16
everything there, you just have to be careful about certain line items that might relate to minors or or be of concern. I think 00:30:23
the reason why, and I don't know if you spoke with Tyson, the state auditor, was he was the one that used the OR not the state. 00:30:30
There's fifty of them in the state auditor's offices. 00:30:37
Was he said that many cities will and his users were deputized or come in and say this is the council of the council member that 00:30:44
they and the city can put forth any type of licensing the I think the five people, the citizens of Vineyard that have their CPA 00:30:51
licenses were. 00:30:58
Gonna take it as they're not sharing it publicly, but giving us counsel on it internally. Like not. 00:31:05
That's what the purpose was for it. So what? It wasn't that they would take it and I. 00:31:12
I'm a little I. 00:31:17
There's no problem, certainly with transparent government. That's an important principle, right, and how we do things. 00:31:20
And we want to be sure people have information so they can be informed and can be part of that process. 00:31:27
But we have representative government and you have authorities that are different than any citizen within the city and you can't. 00:31:32
Just deputize somebody or say to them I give you the authority I have, so. 00:31:42
Please be careful about that. As it relates to records, there are cities. I don't know that our city, that vineyard has this 00:31:48
structure, but there are cities that will have a Finance Committee or a budget committee, that is. 00:31:55
A subset of the City Council and then they also will appoint. 00:32:03
Staff and other individuals to. 00:32:09
Serve on that, commissioner, that committee, our code has a structure by which those appointments and those committees would be 00:32:12
formed, if the council chooses to do it. But unless you have formed a group through that process and you have brought somebody on 00:32:19
and they've signed an oath and had training and all of those things, it wouldn't be appropriate to share private or protected or 00:32:26
confidential information. And that's part of the reason about a month or or maybe six weeks or so ago, I circulated a memo about 00:32:34
care for information and data. 00:32:41
And you all have an obligation to. 00:32:48
To not distribute publicly things that aren't public. And they're not public because anybody's hiding anything. They're public 00:32:53
because there are legitimate privacy and business and other reasons why certain information has to be protected. And we don't make 00:33:00
those rules. We just look to the state statute and then try to apply our best judgment. 00:33:08
What's protected and what's not in that context? 00:33:16
Do you have any questions? 00:33:21
OK. All right. Well, we'll then I don't. 00:33:23
Then maybe the CPA's don't have it. We'll figure that out. Well, we'll talk offline the next thing was. 00:33:29
I I also think our city in talking with citizens this past week I did speak with according to leases and others about I think even 00:33:39
though me, the council and us might review them like with the ambassador meetings. 00:33:47
Acronyms for government are really difficult to understand and I think that if we do something in as a consent item that night, we 00:33:56
didn't have a document explaining it right? It was just more of a there's only a paragraph on it. 00:34:03
And it didn't have the total dollar amount, it just had the, hey, this is referenced in the budget and I think is moving forward. 00:34:12
You can't do anything about the past, but if we could as a policy on consent items require the total dollar amount even though it 00:34:18
was we mentioned hey this was approved in the budget before like listing that out. I think that you know Provo has done a really 00:34:24
good job of. 00:34:31
And in the health department's health called health literacy, we're trying to make sure every community can understand what's 00:34:40
going on and making it in its simplest form and and I think that is kind of violating if they don't if they don't understand it. 00:34:46
So could we could we have the can we have the as a policy and I know that means more work for step. We can't make that decision 00:34:52
tonight. But it is something that we could add in a review. I think it's a great idea. And then. 00:34:59
The other thing and I and I struggle with council women, so Fuentes and I think also Amber is if we could delay, I said two weeks. 00:35:07
I think Amber is saying a week to where our agendas instead of being 24 hours posted are seven days and I would argue that. 00:35:19
Because a lot of the way that I make decisions is I do not have a background in planning or a CPA. And some of the best decisions 00:35:32
I ever make is getting like Jim Miguel for the fire station. Hey, you're really a smart guy. You have 30 years of experience, and 00:35:40
if we can get the agenda seven days in advance, it allows me to get it. It's made public. Throw it out to the group of people 00:35:47
because I got 30 people. 00:35:55
That really helped me. 00:36:02
A follow up from 2 weeks ago, one of the requests that we had was the neighborhood notices of the fire station. We were going to 00:36:36
go knock on every door. I went to two houses and they didn't know it's picking up my daughter. Did we do that? Do they know now or 00:36:42
do we planning on doing that? We're doing that next week. We've done a lot of those in the past and what we found, if you do it 00:36:48
too far, advanced people forget. So typically if you do it like a week or two before then it you know it's it's fresher on our 00:36:54
minds. 00:37:00
We have that on our calendar. 00:37:06
OK. I noticed in that area there's a lot of houses that are looking like they're close to completion, but they're not obviously 00:37:08
occupied or purchased yet from my exemption. How would be a good way to make sure we're working with the developers so that people 00:37:14
buying homes that are educated on the plans, you know what I mean? Yeah, we we could. 00:37:21
We could ask them to provide that that that information. I mean, whether or not they, I'm sure, I'm sure he would, if we pass it, 00:37:28
could we put a little sign that says Future Firehouse? Yeah. Contact Vineyard City For more information. Absolutely. 00:37:35
And then? 00:37:44
I know we had a public comment about Representative Nelson, and I know he took off. 00:37:46
And the lobbyist type thing, I have been able to work with Representative Nelson so well in the last four months and he will run 00:37:53
any type of legislation. I know he was maybe going to speak about it. Or Abbott. Sorry, what did I say? Nelson. Nelson. Abbott, 00:37:59
sorry. And. 00:38:05
I would hunt. He is our elected representative and I wish he was able here to be able to say that. But and then another feedback. 00:38:14
Me and Amber had a conversation last Thursday and I wanted to thank her for meeting with me. It was a good two hour and 2 1/2 hour 00:38:21
spirited debate and some of the things that have happened in the past I want to put behind us. I'm going to vigorously debate her 00:38:28
on different things, but it was a really good conversation to go through and do that. 00:38:35
Gonna still hold her accountable as she is me. And then the other thing is. 00:38:43
Walker away. 00:38:50
In the budget meeting today it was discussed by one of the City Council citizens are here that I'm not going to sit or represent 00:38:53
What Car waste or vineyard someone will hear. But I did want to let people know that in a private setting I am going to be working 00:39:00
hard to diligently work and push that forward and. 00:39:07
But there needs to be a lot of men being offenses or not, fences of relationships. 00:39:15
And of things coming out, and I just wanted people know that I'm going to be working hard on that. So that's my report. All right, 00:39:23
Council, as I mentioned to you, I do have something else I have to be at tonight. I apologize. Thank you so much for taking this 00:39:31
over. You'll have to nominate a PRO 10 who will continue the discussion. I have passed along the agenda to my right that whoever 00:39:39
you decide, my agenda can rotate to whomever you want. And if you have any questions for me afterwards, please reach out to me. 00:39:47
Thank you. 00:39:56
Yeah, I could call for it now. Do you guys want to go ahead and make a nomination? I nominate Marty. All right, First birthday. 00:39:57
Can I get a second? A second. Second by Sarah. All in favor. 00:40:03
All right. ****. Amber. Aye. Marty. Sarah. All right, all right. Thank you, Mayor Fulmer. 00:40:10
Umm, OK, so now that we're done with council reports, we can move on to our consent items. I just need a motion to approve the 00:40:19
consent items. 00:40:24
It's up to you guys. 00:40:31
If you have any questions or if you want to pull anything off, we can discuss it. 00:40:34
I don't have anything I kind of wanted to hear about. I wanted some questions on the municipal wastewater. 00:40:38
So we just need an approval for Five Point Motion to approve 5.1 and we will discuss 5.2. 00:40:46
I don't think so. Are you out of here, Amber? OK. 00:40:56
OK. OK. So I yeah. 00:41:00
I move to approve the consent item 5.1. 00:41:05
Can I get a second second? 00:41:09
All in favor, aye. 00:41:13
5.2 This is a Public Works report. It's the the 2024 Municipal Wastewater Management Planning Program Annual Report, The CM 00:41:17
Gondor. Could you maybe just summarize and give us some information? Or Jake if there's specific questions if you want to let him 00:41:23
know. 00:41:28
I just wanted to kind of. 00:41:37
From what I'm understanding, these are for new builds, right? Let's see like I didn't see anything in it for a. 00:41:40
For rates of wastewater, right? 00:41:53
So this is, this is a report of our is an annual report and it's more of an evidence from my understanding. Please correct me and 00:41:58
let me see if you want to explain it. But this is just a report, an annual report is more of an administrative move for us to 00:42:03
approve it and we're just accepting the work that's been submitted. 00:42:09
It's just not talking about any type of weights, right. OK. Because I was reading through kind of some of the reports and I was 00:42:17
like, I'm guessing that this is OK, yeah, it's And then if you would like actually. 00:42:23
One of the authors, and seldom would you like Would you like Chris Jackson, who just started to eat? Would you like him to provide 00:42:29
a brief summary of the report? 00:42:33
You have to come to the microphone. 00:42:39
So basically the CEQ asked for this report every year. It's basically how we are performing in our wastewater field. It asks 00:42:48
financial stuff that it wants to know if we're financeable, financial, ready to fix problems and stuff. It also asks. 00:42:59
Maintenance and there was a. 00:43:11
I can't think of the name of it, but there's. 00:43:16
I I should have read it better, but there's a. 00:43:20
That spot in there where it it refers to our. 00:43:27
Operations and procedures. OK. That's what I thought. I didn't think we were adjusting or changing anything. I was like I was like 00:43:32
I'm not seeing in this document there's any adjustments, but if there's something new, could we redline our pointed out? But that 00:43:38
was my only question. Am I understanding there's no rates and anything changes? 00:43:43
And it just reminds us to look at our our operation procedures every year to see if we need to make any changes, see if anything 00:43:51
has changed with our buildings and stuff like that. 00:43:56
Does the state after your report this come back and give us feedback off of it? Never. 00:44:02
Your placement test at the end of the year in school, you don't know how well you did. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm assuming if we didn't do 00:44:10
it right so they don't get back Okay. Yeah. So just to kind of elaborate the self and Love and Chris Jackson worked on the report 00:44:17
to put it together. It's there, you know, kind of state mandate for state requirements, using state requirements to submit. 00:44:24
Waste management, the wastewater wastewater management plan to the state it's kind of like a almost a checks and balance just to 00:44:32
ensure that it provides us an opportunity to kind of go through our system to ensure that we're. 00:44:39
Taking care of checking the box, I'll say like that, taking care, it's a short survey or short report. They're not asking for 00:44:48
specific details to ensure that we're making sure our operations are maintenance plans are being taken care of and of course with 00:44:55
Chris Jackson was talking about so I can make sure we're financially sufficient and able to maintain our operations. 00:45:01
What the state does is an error. Sullivan, please elaborate for me if on that is that they do put, they take the survey 00:45:08
information from all the cities and then they kind of put it together as a big lump survey to say across the board this is what it 00:45:15
is. I mean Chris Jackson haven't worked in the wastewater field for a little bit more than a minute longer than for a very long 00:45:22
time and of course again solvent as well. 00:45:29
You know, in terms of like that, it just provides that kind of like guidance and oftentimes when you're filling out those surveys, 00:45:37
you know it's kind of like school. If you struggle on the question, it probably means different. You probably have to go back and 00:45:44
search the answer on that. But in essence that's all it is and it's required for the city, it's a requirement for the City Council 00:45:52
to approve it as well. There's a item on the bottom that Sullivan had to remind us that this has to go for State Council and. 00:45:59
The in essence just to review this, it provides that that's the checks and balance portion of it. 00:46:07
To ensure that we're providing that transparency to council and the public as well. 00:46:12
Awesome. Thank you. Sorry to bring you up here. There are a lot of numbers in there and I go, I think this is a report that I 00:46:19
wanna make sure. 00:46:23
Hey, so if we're comfortable with item 5.2, I just need a motion for approval, a motion for approval consent, item 5.2 I second. 00:46:28
That's all in favor, aye? 00:46:37
OK. I don't know if that's redundant. No, it's part of it. OK, so now we move on to business items. We have a public hearing item 00:46:42
8.1. I need a motion to move into the public hearing. 00:46:50
I make a motion to move into public hearing. 00:46:59
A second So first by Jacob, second by Sarah on Roku. All in favor? Aye. All right, so public. This is a chance for you to come to 00:47:02
the microphone if you want to spend. If anyone wants to spend a few minutes if they have questions or any concerns with the. 00:47:12
Or do we do a presentation first? 00:47:23
And we just usually you'll introduce the item and then after, well you were a member of staff and then once it's explained, you'll 00:47:27
take comment so people know what they're commenting on and then you can. So when I when I do that, is it better to explain it 00:47:33
first then move into public hearing, sorry about that, you're OK you can open it and then do that part. OK. So who do we have on 00:47:40
or Eric, did you want to present this? 00:47:46
So we've got two business items today. I can I can go over those real quick. The consolidated fee amendment includes page one, 00:47:55
just changing the title of that utility meter and connection fees. 00:48:03
As we go back to page 5, this is the rate adjustment that is a pass through from TSD to another special service district going 00:48:12
from $3.45 or and $0.64 per 1000 gallons up to $5.10 per 1000 gallons. 00:48:22
And then as you go through, there's a couple other changes that are associated with that increase. 00:48:34
There's a editorial one on page 11. 00:48:42
On page. 00:48:48
12 There's another couple chain just minor changes to the encroachment permit, $150.00 plus a dollar per square foot of disturbed 00:48:50
asphalt. 00:48:55
$300.00 on on the line down there with fine for use of public right away without approved permit it's $300.00 plus $150.00 per 00:49:03
hour on the final grading of residential lot bond. That is $1000 up to one acre. That looks the same to me so I'm not sure what 00:49:11
the change was there and then. As far as trees for the replacement of a damaged tree, one clarification was that on trees greater 00:49:19
than 3 inches in diameter, it'll be a minimum of $1200 per tree. 00:49:27
And then on the back of the consolidated fee schedule? 00:49:40
The water adjustments were made down down the line. Effectively the three quarter inch water meter connection fee will now be 581 00:49:43
inch 795 dollars, 1 1/2 inch meter, 12142 inch water meter and connection fee 19130 fire hydrant meter. Rental deposit is now 2050 00:49:52
dollars. 00:50:00
They cleared out the. 00:50:11
Fire Hydrant Meter penalty fees. 00:50:13
And have a daily rate of fire hydrant meter at $10 or $300.00 a month. 00:50:16
And then the Water Red Fire Hydrant meter now has a utility use fee for a three inch meter commercial water base and tiered rates. 00:50:23
Residential construction water is now $100 minimum. Non residential construction water also now $100 minimum minimum. 00:50:34
Illegal connection to utility system such as water, sewer, storm water or roadway is now $2000 per occurrence plus $1000 per day. 00:50:43
So those are the changes. And to clarify this typically this last page is more for developers within our city. It's not likely to 00:50:50
apply to the residents correct and. 00:50:57
One question I have is just about the tree replacement I get. 00:51:06
Is that? 00:51:13
I know that the cost is assessed by the city arborist, but if it's like an accident or are we pretty like it's going to happen 00:51:16
like if it? 00:51:20
I'm just wondering, you know, I feel really bad for someone that accidentally hurts a tree. 00:51:25
Well, isn't that covered by their insurance, right? If you hit a tree in the city, then the city goes after the car insurance for 00:51:31
them, right? 00:51:35
Yeah. 00:51:41
I think the sheriff, actually, you put that in the report, the damage, right? Don't we go after that? 00:51:43
Yeah, we would report that and report its loss of this amount. So great. And then. 00:51:52
Would it help if I went through the 2nd item as well and then public comment could come in on either one? 00:52:01
OK. So we have the public hearing open. Is there anyone in the public that would like to ask questions or share thoughts? 00:52:08
OK. I think then Council, if we could get a motion to close the public hearing. A motion to close the public hearing, I second. So 00:52:17
first by Jacob, second by Sarah, all in favor, aye. OK. Council, do you have any questions or anything you want to discuss before 00:52:25
we vote this through or not voted through? This is, this is one of the things where I talk about open business where we have some 00:52:32
great citizens that will review these in greater detail. 00:52:40
That I really, they're volunteers, you know? And so that's my only comment there and then. 00:52:49
Yeah, like you're getting this whole thing because five or six people that can really just get into the nuts and bolts of this 00:52:56
particular issue, but I don't see anything for existing fee increases. This is just for new build, right? 00:53:04
Whether water rate increases? 00:53:13
And sewer, sewer use rate increase rate did increase. It increased from 364 per 1000 gallons to $5.10 per gallon per 1000 gallons. 00:53:16
And this is a pass through to the city from TSSD. So it's 100%. We don't add anything on to that. It is and and neglecting to make 00:53:24
this, this rate adjustment unfortunately cost the city. 00:53:33
A fair $25,000 a month or so. 00:53:43
As its collected amount. And so typically what the city does is it gets the bill from for sewer, it divides that up amongst the 00:53:47
citizens, but it cannot do that until the the. 00:53:52
Consolidated fee schedule has been adopted. 00:53:58
OK. So when you're when do we notify them of this, the citizens? 00:54:03
So it will go into effect. Excuse me so. 00:54:11
In essence, I would have to get with that in regards to the noticing, I think it's usually 30 days on the noticing on that. And 00:54:15
then what we do is we will put the information in flowers or seasonal information on the utility billing to buy them notification 00:54:22
that they're about to utility building increase and we send that notification out because it is ours because the pass through, but 00:54:28
we'll put the language that this is. 00:54:34
Increase, increase from them through US and we did also have them come, we had TSSD come right a month or two ago and talk through 00:54:41
what that change was, what caused that, but this is the implementation of that adjustment in our city budget. So on the utility 00:54:49
bill, just to clarify, we can I guess take what you're asking for is that it's it specifically says the rate increase is because 00:54:56
of TSSD not because of Vineyard City. 00:55:03
Yeah, I have to see what the limitations on our utility building like and when I say limitations in terms of the wording wise, I'm 00:55:11
sure we'll be sure that it says. 00:55:17
Sewer treatment costs are passed through and the rate increases, a reflection of that increase. No additional increase from 00:55:24
vineyards today. Yeah, charged it is. It has a zero net impact on our budget. 00:55:32
Is that not passing it has an impact on our budget, but but having this cleared up makes it so that. 00:55:41
Our budget stays neutral as it pertains to a pass through fee. This is one of the things in terms of notification and I'm a 00:55:48
flowery positive guy but I'm also think that social media should be used to pass negative information as well because it's a tax 00:55:55
right And and some so many of us use social media as that. I think those that are are public are should be noticing those you know 00:56:02
in a not a non. I mean obviously a link to the budget not a ton of crazy stuff but hey this is this is happening. We want to be 00:56:09
upfront about it. 00:56:16
When it goes out in a kind, nice way, I think that I like the sentiment. I think that's something that you'd have to talk to me or 00:56:24
former about. Yeah. It just goes through the discussion of like how we use that and how it's not the mayors. But it's everyone's 00:56:31
like, hey, this is especially because I'm, I'm a tax guy, right, dollars guy like. 00:56:37
Somebody touches my peers on my my wallet. I want to know and I think you know social media should be used for that. Well and I'm 00:56:44
I'm also I I believe when you're trying to communicate especially to a large group the more ways you try to do that the better and 00:56:51
and even putting it on you could put in a policy the four largest public facing groups on Facebook like these types of things. 00:56:58
It's very simple. Hey this is what happened. This is why. 00:57:05
3rd grade reading level. 00:57:13
You know and and being able to reach out. 00:57:15
It also obviously you're going to get pushback and I think that's why public comments on Facebook is good because then I can read 00:57:19
them and everyone could. And it you know how it goes to that one message which our communications person having a policy when we 00:57:25
do that that we get to read the negative comments that come in because it helps educate us, right. Yeah, I know Jake, I don't 00:57:31
think you want you're requesting this off at all, but it's just kind of a back to this circling around to the communications 00:57:37
department is a nightmare's purview. 00:57:43
Right. And her and we have an ordinance, I guess that puts it underneath her responsibility. And so we actually, even if we wanted 00:57:50
to, we couldn't vote for any policy change. Correct. But I think we have an opportunity through the budget and I wish she was here 00:57:57
to hear this because that was one of the things I said. I said I could budget the communications director in the mayor's office 00:58:04
for part time, but if it's going to be for public notices and you know, different things of the public good. 00:58:11
I would cut the budget there and I would say are we as a negotiating thing because. 00:58:19
I I think it really should be a a citizen's. 00:58:26
Portal and not the mayor's. So that's why I brought that up in the budget meeting was like, hey, we're gonna budget this for that 00:58:31
position. 00:58:34
I guess pipe in on my son. Do you understand what he's asking on which one they point to? So we're actually kind of off topic. 00:58:41
Well, have you voted on 8.1? No, we're just talking about the fee structure and approving it and how the notice is gonna go out if 00:58:47
we go through and do it right. 00:58:53
Yeah. To clarify at least what's on the agenda today, I. 00:59:00
I don't know that you can vote on, I know we can't vote. But give direction on things. You can give input to staff and then 00:59:04
they'll take that and make an attempt. 00:59:09
To notice it properly, but all you're voting on is the fee increase. 00:59:14
So I guess, I guess to clarify, maybe we vote on this and get it taken care of and then if you wanted to call like a point of 00:59:19
order, then he could talk about something for the future to be discussed in the future not. I guess I'm just saying I'm trying to 00:59:24
keep this on topic. 00:59:30
So we're not out of bounds on our current agenda, but also we get like, I just want to be with them along, right. What I'm saying 00:59:37
is that if we go through and pass this, we can't put a writer legislatively that this is going to be. 00:59:44
And announced on our official page and a third grade reading level. I can't. 00:59:50
You can't. No. OK. 00:59:56
Not yet, but it's something that should be on the agenda to move the communications director, because it would be against the law. 01:00:00
Or what? No, there's no such thing as a writer under, I mean, or not a writer. There's a writer when you're writing federal 01:00:07
legislation, but that's different than what you're talking about here. You What you have noticed and what you have the public 01:00:14
hearing about was a change to the consolidated fee schedule. It's not. 01:00:21
An action to direct staff to do things you're voting on. Implementing the fee or not implementing the fee. You can't control how 01:00:29
it's noticed. 01:00:34
OK, well I tried. 01:00:40
OK. So if there's no other further questions specifically about the proposed amendments to the consolidated fee schedule, I would 01:00:42
just need a motion to approve. 01:00:47
I motion to approve the fee structure and I need a second. Can I ask that you phrase that a little differently? This has to be 01:00:53
done by resolution, so it would be a motion to adopt resolution. Sorry about that. I moved to adopt resolution 2408 consolidated 01:00:59
fees charger change as presented. 01:01:06
Nice second. OK. And this will be done by roll call, so Jacob, me, yes, yes. 01:01:13
OK, so it passes Pam just as a procedural question, do I fill this out after or do you need me to fill this out now? 01:01:23
Oh, OK. Thank you. It worked. 01:01:32
OK. So now we'll move on to 8.2. This is the public hearing for the Vineyard City fiscal year 2023, Dash 2024, budget Amendment 01:01:35
#4. This is also something that Eric Ellis will present to us, the proposed amendments. I turn the time to you, Sir. Thank you. 01:01:44
This is a fairly short budget amendment. You have the spreadsheet in front of you and I'll just kind of describe what the two 01:01:55
amounts are. We're budgeting for the $120,000 tag grant. This is a grant, but we budget for it. We spend it, we get reimbursed 01:02:02
120,000. In addition to that we have. 01:02:09
$8000 that is being budgeted for the fire station or Firehouse design that was an add on to our our evaluation with. 01:02:18
With CRS. 01:02:29
We also have $7500 on here, which is a match for the Utah Lake Authority grant of 22,500 for the volleyball pit. 01:02:31
We have 120,000, which is a Greenbelt rollback tax on the Gammon Park. When the city acquired that land, it it did not pay the 01:02:42
rollback taxes on that. Anytime you convert out of agriculture to anything else, even to a public city like ourselves, you pay the 01:02:52
five years of Greenbelt rollback taxes and so paying that now saves us at a minimum. 01:03:01
10,000 over if we wait until the. 01:03:12
To the new evaluations are completed for property tax because we're looking at the back the last five years and there's a fairly 01:03:17
big jump on year five to year four and and that'll average and go up even beyond that. So getting that taken care of now it 01:03:25
doesn't, it doesn't force us to to not farm it while we're waiting, but it does allow us to pull the trigger on on plans for park 01:03:32
enhancements when we do that and then the real quick. So it has been. 01:03:40
Agriculture, it has up until right now is the pumpkin patch. Yeah. And we're going to change it now because we're going to go, 01:03:48
we're going to, we're going to pay the, the rollback taxes. We probably, it probably should have been done right when it was 01:03:54
acquired. And again, it didn't prohibit them from continuing to farm it until we had a different use for it. It's just taking care 01:04:01
of it now. Save the city at a minimum 10 extra $1000. 01:04:07
Rather than waiting for the because every year the property taxes in a city that's growing that and. 01:04:14
Inflation and so forth goes up in that property tax. Five years of property taxes due will go up each year by the amount that the 01:04:20
new evaluation is. 01:04:25
So we're taking care of that now. 01:04:32
So does that mean from here on it is going to be taxed as a from here on out, we won't actually have to pay taxes on it because 01:04:34
it'll be owned by a public entity, so? 01:04:38
And then in addition to that, we have the $120,000 grant, TAG grant that I mentioned and then a $9000 match for that TAG grant 01:04:45
that comes out of the city budget. Can you explain the TAG grant? 01:04:52
Yeah, What does TAG stand for? That's a technical assistance grant. So that's through mag and it's a, it's a it's a planning 01:04:59
grant. So we what we submitted for was Mill Rd. When we did our town hall last year, the primary theme was kind of crossings, it 01:05:06
being kind of a dangerous Rd. It felt like a barricade or a barrier to, you know, to cross and get into school. And so it would be 01:05:14
looking at that corridor, 400 N. 01:05:21
The trail that will be on Geneva Rd. So not all Geneva Rd. just our side and then a connection to the front runner station. So 01:05:28
that I know there's been some concerns too about that gap in the sidewalk. We're working with with with U dot on trying to fix 01:05:35
that. But we would also look at just ensuring that we have a a really efficient connection point from the east side to the West 01:05:41
side to the train station. And this this grant to clarify is to actually get the work done or to. Yeah, I'm sorry it's a planning 01:05:47
design grant. OK. 01:05:53
So it would, it would, it would give us, so they would analyze it and then they would provide us kind of a list of recommendations 01:05:59
and basically a schematic design on all of those projects. Yeah, So we would look at all those. So this doesn't actually go to 01:06:05
completing the project just for the design. 01:06:12
That the public open houses, that kind of stuff. And then once it's approved then we would budget out, you know, we'd say OK, 01:06:18
let's take on, we want to add a crossing here. 01:06:23
And then we would, you know have that engineer, then we put that in a budget. So this would be for future projects in, in, in 01:06:29
years out. And just depending on which ones you want to prioritize, how much each project is going to cost the city. Yeah, we 01:06:35
could have them do cost estimates most likely. We would probably reach out to people like that, the contractors and stuff like 01:06:42
that to help us. But the the designer could give us kind of a rough estimate. Yeah, that would be good. 01:06:48
I have a question about this, so do you want to turn it to the public comment? 01:06:56
I just need a motion to open the public hearing for item 8.2, The Vineyard City Fiscal Year 2023, Dash 2024 Budget and Member 01:07:02
Budget amendment. 01:07:08
I motion, yeah. I I second still moved. 01:07:16
Underneath it a second. OK. So first by Jacob, second by Sarah. This is done by no. All in favor. Aye, aye. All right. Public, do 01:07:22
you have any questions or please come to the microphone, state your name and let us know. Daria Evans, resident, I just want to 01:07:29
clarify with you, Morgan, the tag grant, is that the same as the Wayfinder signage grant that we talked about last week in 01:07:37
Planning Commission? 01:07:44
So yeah, we would do that at the same time. So we also so that that Grant, I apologize, you're absolutely right the the the Mill 01:07:53
Rd. is like the primary one in my head, but it also provides us a master plan for wayfinding signage and that would be citywide. 01:08:01
OK. I just want to make sure. No, thank you. I appreciate that. Thank you. Morgan, will you explain what way timing is? Sure. 01:08:10
Wayfinding. A lot of times it's going to be on trails. It'll be on roads. It'll like signage. Yeah. It's a signage that will 01:08:16
direct you to destinations that you want to go to. 01:08:21
So Yep. 01:08:28
OK. Do we have any other public comment? 01:08:31
All right. Can I get a motion to close the public hearing? 01:08:34
I motion to close the public hearing and can I get a second? 01:08:39
I second first Spicer second by Jacob. All in favor, Aye. All right, Jacob, what's your question? 01:08:43
I I get a little bit concerned in planning and getting ahead of our skis. I had a great conversation with. 01:08:53
Ben Steinman of 45 State Lands about because I saw a few maps of Utah cities. 01:09:01
The beachfront. 01:09:10
And. 01:09:12
I understand that Utah City can go in and submit designs and spend a ton and spend all of their money doing whatever they want. My 01:09:16
concern is, is that. 01:09:21
Staff money from ours being used in designing something that. 01:09:27
With forestry, fire and state lands on state lands that they would need to go through approval and we spend so much time and 01:09:33
effort on something that we don't know yet if they would even approve. Like for example, there's peers. 01:09:39
Everyone knows that. 01:09:47
All of the boat harbors of Utah Lake, because of the storms and the craziness of the destroying of everything, that you couldn't 01:09:50
just have a an open peer without it completely enclosed. And so it's like who why are we designing something like that? What what 01:09:56
would be accessible? And so my concern is that. 01:10:02
When we get grants like this, I know it's like, hey, let's go design. But before we approve this, it's like. 01:10:08
If it's state forestry pharmacy lands, before we do that, is there any way we can go in and say what is the parameters of what you 01:10:15
would allow and we spend the time on? 01:10:20
This would be allowed and then we only designed that type of stuff. Does that make sense? Specifically, I guess the question I 01:10:25
would like answered first is, are any of the areas being designed on state lands? Yeah, no, not for the tag. 01:10:32
Our portion of Geneva Rd. 01:10:42
Closely with the consultants. 01:11:19
Well, I I got that. 01:11:21
When we do get grant money or different things like that before we go plan it and then present it because planning takes a lot of 01:11:54
time and energy and we go meet with them. Yeah we we met we met with you Dots. We met with them Tyrell. I don't know what's 01:12:00
different Edwards and and so we we've talked about trail we've let them know that we wanted a trail they haven't said they had 01:12:07
opposition to a trail and their plan for Geneva Rd. They actually showed a trail on the east side but there's concerns because 01:12:13
alarm has the the power poles. 01:12:20
Whereas our current is a lot more clear. And So what what this does is it would provide us kind of a design that we could then 01:12:27
send to you dot and say that this is our preference when you wide engineer road. And so it's basically us kind of telling them 01:12:33
what our vision for our side of Geneva Rd. is if we want a trail showing them. This is the type of design we would prefer. So 01:12:39
maybe in regards to the discussion with the beachfront, could we maybe set up a meeting for you and Jacob to go over how that 01:12:45
works? 01:12:51
Before she finally so that we focus on the current item. No, no opposition to setting up stuff. But I don't know that we would do 01:12:57
it as a discussion item since it's not on the agenda. No. Just like a meeting outside of yeah, yeah, could you but one question on 01:13:03
this topic. 01:13:08
I believe that we have a once in a lifetime, and I wish our. 01:13:15
Vineyard, What's the biking group again? 01:13:20
No, the other one, The other Facebook group. 01:13:24
Good group, but anyway. 01:13:26
With the elimination of the of the. 01:13:31
Train track. 01:13:36
And I think that we need to have a very strategic conversation about those. 01:13:39
I know you are only focused in on Geneva Rd. from 1600 N until it crosses on the S curve, right? 01:13:43
But that trail line goes all the way down. It goes through. 01:13:51
UVU and it goes all the way down to Provo. 01:13:57
In Atlanta and in Chicago, they have taken these lanes and if you go and look at it, love everyone to go on to Google Maps and 01:14:01
look at it. 01:14:06
If that whole spur, if mag focused in on that, we would really have a bike highway. 01:14:11
So that it would be realistic that you could use a bike for long term transportation. And so that's what I'm worried about on this 01:14:21
design is I go because if it goes N, that train line goes up through American Fork and gets onto State Street. And so you're like, 01:14:29
I really hope that this is a bike highway because it's so safe that from the S curve it'll go up to 400 S and then it's like it's 01:14:37
just not on major roads. And so like if we're looking to 205020602070. 01:14:45
And we really do believe in bikes and non motorized vehicles and everything like that. That thoroughfare is just so critical. And 01:14:54
I I spoke with Bike Walk Provo two weeks ago about this and I said are you engaging Morgan, are you are we thinking about this 01:15:01
Because I just don't want that to block what we're doing there to. And I really believe this thing needs to be an inner city 01:15:08
saving of that of that spur because they're going to abandon that spur. 01:15:16
That land all the way goes all the way to Provo, right? And they're abandoning it, right? 01:15:23
Well, we would be purchasing it, right, our our city section, right. But what about Orem and Provo and the other first section. So 01:15:27
again, we're happy to go more in detail with you offline in terms of the whole project. But so with the real spur from 1600 N down 01:15:36
to about 400 S is what we're is the section that we're working on. It's within our city limits. 01:15:45
For us as a city. 01:15:55
Where we need to, you know we have to focus on RCA limits, right, But in essence further South Down to Provo and so forth. I don't 01:15:59
believe that they have an intentions of removing this blur line down there because they do have businesses as well further South, 01:16:06
but part of our part of the Reynoldsburg realignment project with the agreement that the city would be asked in purchasing the 01:16:13
property. 01:16:21
The other grasp and then we would be using that long Geneva corridor to improve the access points like for example 400 S and. 01:16:30
Foreign stuff and and many other areas along the along along the border. 01:16:44
And then the property that's put in an arm as well the City of England would be purchasing and that would have ownership of that 01:16:51
as well. So in our design of that are we thinking of that as a major bike highway through that or just more of like a you know 01:16:59
some sidewalks or trails are are are just kind of or is it is it pretty significantly wise? 01:17:07
Yeah, so, I mean, we talked to him. 01:17:16
Multiple times in regards to how we can improve, utilize that areas for improving for open spaces after transportation and of 01:17:20
course along the generic corridor we've had discussions like Morgan was talking about with Geneva, excuse me the E dot in regards 01:17:30
to what we would be utilizing others and of course it comes down to our you know the intent is to. 01:17:39
Provide access points for vehicles to get onto Geneva in and out vineyards as well as pedestrians to move along along the vineyard 01:17:49
and of course leaving and start talking to you thought about possibilities of enhancing the crossings between Vineyard and Orem 01:17:56
for pedestrians as well. So there's lots of areas we're kind of we're in the 10% design phase of this whole of this whole thing. 01:18:03
So when I talked about grants, it's a good discussion of like hey, when you're approving this, it's not just go out and design or 01:18:11
think things through that were. 01:18:18
We're diligent in getting the stakeholders that are there, but also we're we're looking outside of our city because that I would 01:18:25
hate for us to lose that rail spur as an inner city. You know, I think that's great. I think you got all your questions answered. 01:18:33
Are we ready to make a motion on this? OK, so I just need one of you to do it. I'll do it. I moved to without resolution 2409, 01:18:41
fiscal year 2023-2024 budget amendment #4AS presented. 01:18:50
OK, first place there. I need a second. 01:18:59
Aye, second. All right, Jacob. Second. This will be done by roll call, Jake. 01:19:02
Aye. 01:19:09
It is foresee strategy sessions to discuss pending or reasonably imminent litigation, so I just need a motion specifying those 01:19:24
things. 01:19:29
No, no, we have to do the motion in a public meeting. Make sure you specify the. 01:19:35
Basically the date, time, location and the reason for it. So you could say today immediately following the council meeting and the 01:19:40
council chambers to and then read that item number and should I do that or should I have the presentation? 01:19:47
So I make a motion today on. 01:19:57
To hold a closed session today on April 10th. 01:20:02
At 7:32 that we go into closed session for item and then the letter. 01:20:06
C Strategy Session to discuss pending and reasonable imminent litigation. 01:20:15
OK, so I have a first by Jacob. I need a second second. 01:20:23
All right. And is that by roll call, Jake? 01:20:30
Me, I, Sir. All right. The motion passed and that means we need a motion also. I adjourn the meeting. Thank you so much, Public. 01:20:35
We appreciate your attendance. Have a wonderful night. 01:20:40
Jamie, what's that? 01:20:48
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All right. Thank you so much for your patience. Today is April 10th, 2024. The time is 611, and I'm going to call our Vineyard 00:00:07
City Council meeting to session. We'll start out with Council Member Cameron, who will lead us in an invocation and Pledge of 00:00:14
Allegiance. 00:00:20
Are there Father in heaven? We come before thee at the beginning of this Council meeting. 00:00:32
And ask for thy spirit and thy guidance and all that we do and the decisions that we make and. 00:00:36
Our interaction with each other we. 00:00:42
Pray that that will help us to keep in mind that we work for the citizens of Vineyard and. 00:00:44
And that we represent them and want to do everything we can to make their quality of life better and keep it good and. 00:00:49
Be mindful of. 00:00:59
Always preserving and protecting our freedoms. We're grateful for this amazing country that we live in and ask for thy blessing 00:01:01
upon it and say these things in the sacred name of Jesus Christ. Amen. Amen. 00:01:07
All right. 00:01:14
All right. That puts us right into public comments. This is a time to come and discuss with the council about things that are not 00:01:33
currently on the agenda. If you have a comment, please come up to the podium, state your name and where you're from. I'd just like 00:01:40
to welcome and recognize our representative Nelson Abbott, who's with us this evening. Thank you so much for being here. And we 00:01:46
await your comments. Oh, and from last time, there was a comment that was provided about some of the reclamation that's being done 00:01:52
on the north side. 00:01:58
I did call the entity and they said that they pull a document together to answer some of your questions. So we don't have that 00:02:05
today, but we'll get that to you. So thank you. Come on forward. 00:02:10
Good evening, Daria Evans, senior residents. Thank you very much. 00:02:22
I I missed a lot at the March 27th meeting and so I do have a couple of questions about that meeting. But First off, I want to 00:02:29
thank Councilman Rasmussen for getting the finance of the fencing for the gardening plots. That's really great. I'm glad that 00:02:34
that's going to go in. 00:02:40
I just have a question about the fire station. There was a discussion, it's 3.1 on the 27th of March agenda. As it was stated that 00:02:48
Mike Olson acquired the property for the fire station, I'd like to know where the location of that property is. 00:02:56
Mr. Brim helped me with that. 00:03:08
And then another question that I have. 00:03:10
Is today you had a work session for budget planning, and I was wondering if the public was also invited to that meeting at 4:00 00:03:14
because I came and the doors were closed and I thought, oh, OK, maybe not. So I shut the doors because there was a lot of noise 00:03:22
outside. Yeah. I I peeked around the corner. I saw it was closed. I didn't hear anybody. That's OK. That's OK. I'll know the next 00:03:29
time. Yeah. OK. Thank you. 00:03:37
And then I just have one last question. 00:03:45
I'd like to know if the City Council and Utah City are working towards some solutions to alleviate a parking problem north of the 00:03:48
Connector on Main Street and the roads leading to the UTA parking lots. 00:03:56
Something being done about that. It's really getting pretty bad and those are my questions and comments. Thank you. 00:04:04
Thank you. 00:04:12
Karen Cornelius, resident. 00:04:22
First of all, I think that there might be a misconception that those of us who. 00:04:25
Come and share concerns that we have hate vineyards, and I want you to know we don't hate vineyards. There are things we just like 00:04:31
about what's going on in Vineyard, but it has nothing to do with us, Haiti Vineyard or where we live. I have a question regarding 00:04:36
consent items on the agenda. 00:04:41
I realized that on December 13th there was a consent item on the agenda that allowed for the money that was paid for World Trade 00:04:48
Center for our Ambassador memberships. 00:04:54
That was not something that was written on the agenda in such a way that the public would have had any idea what you were 00:05:02
consenting to. So was there discussion in limited meetings with without a quorum, of course. But with council members that went 00:05:09
over what those items were and what the amounts were. We were blindsided. And you know that there were a good number of us here. 00:05:17
We have no idea what you were voting on. Many of us were outside of the room. 00:05:25
So we couldn't even hear what was going on because there were too many people. So I'm curious how those items become consent 00:05:33
items. What takes place prior to that and how can we, the public, understand better when we just see a bunch of acronyms on an 00:05:41
agenda and some numbers? We have no idea what it means. 00:05:49
Second of all, I have a concern about that same meeting and that it was the meeting where the 4:00 to 1:00. 00:05:57
Power, I call it a power grab, took place and the question was asked of our city attorney how we could ever change that and we 00:06:05
were told we could change that with a three to two vote. 00:06:12
We are now learning that is not the case. 00:06:19
That four to one is stuck. 00:06:22
On the pages of Vineyards Political history. And I want to know what we're going to do about that, because that was wrong to let 00:06:25
the citizens believe that there was something that could be done. And now to find out that there's nothing that can be done and 00:06:32
that that is just part of who we are now. So again, we don't hate Vineyard, but there are a lot of things happening here that we 00:06:38
dislike. And that's what I would like to say. Thank you. 00:06:45
Kim Cornelius resident. 00:07:02
On you picking it up, OK. 00:07:05
OK. 00:07:07
I was. 00:07:10
Somewhat blindsided by a vote that took place at a caucus meeting earlier this year where a neighbor put forth my name as a. 00:07:13
Just lost their delegate for Utah County, and then the attendees in that meeting had the audacity to vote be in and. 00:07:25
So being a transplant from California, I've felt a little bit out of place because we vote in a primary, we're over and done, 00:07:34
We're back home again feeling great about whatever it was that was going on. 00:07:39
And my work had only just begun. And so one of the things I did last Thursday, I hosted A candidates night at our Vineyard Club or 00:07:45
our Village Clubhouse, where five of the many candidates that are running for office attended, one of which was our current 00:07:52
sitting representative, Nelson Abbott. 00:07:58
That was a treat to have him there. We were able to spend some time afterwards talking and. 00:08:05
I'm just a little concerned it it seems like Nelson is a duly elected state official. 00:08:12
We don't pay him a dime, and vineyard is a priority in his area of of coverage for District #57. He does his work for free. Well, 00:08:21
that's not necessarily true. The state does pay him, but we don't pay him a dime. 00:08:30
There was an episode at the close of the legislative session it's left to go round where a bill was put forward that had an 00:08:39
addendum on it. It would severely curtail some of the powers of city councils and other entities. And through Nelson's help, and 00:08:46
I'll just add out loud, going toe to toe with our lobbyist Jeff Hartley, which seems a little strange to me. Nelson represents 00:08:53
this, and Jeff's supposed to be representing us, but they were on two different sides of the issue. 00:09:00
And that addendum was pulled. 00:09:08
But yet we're paying Mr. Hartley somewhere in the neighborhood of $80,000 a year to represent us. Again, I'm asking why are we 00:09:11
paying somebody to represent us who obviously in that instance was not there with our best interest? They probably had someone 00:09:17
else's best interest in mind. And our representative that was voted in took that task and got it to the finish line where that 00:09:24
addendum was removed from the bill. 00:09:31
Now we understand for Mr. Hartley, who graced our presence here, who raised us with his presence here at our last City Council 00:09:38
meeting, said, well, you won for the time being, but it's not over. We're going to get pushed through next year. 00:09:44
Well, that remains to be seen. So my big question is why are we paying somebody to in, in some instances, lobby against us? When 00:09:51
we let a representative sitting in this room tonight that takes care of us because he answers to us and he doesn't get paid by us. 00:09:58
He just, that's part of his responsibility as our House Representative in District 57. 00:10:05
OK. Thank you so much. I'm going to go ahead and close the public comments to answer a few things. 00:10:16
The fire station location, Morgan can share that with you. Afterwards, go ahead and connect and then he can show you a map or any 00:10:24
of our staff can really And then as far as. 00:10:29
The City Council working on the parking, so UTA and Utah City and the city have been actively working on that parking area and 00:10:37
that's. 00:10:42
UTAS parking lot and we're working on how can we get funding to solve that parking problem inside there. 00:10:48
Let's see the consent items. Consent items usually become consent when they've been discussed before. So the World Trade Center 00:10:55
was discussed openly in a retreat and a public meeting, and then it was voted on again later in the year and then voted on again. 00:11:02
And so if it had World Trade Center. 00:11:08
With just the abbreviations, it was probably assumed that the Council understood it because it was voted in multiple times through 00:11:17
that year. 00:11:20
When that was discussed. 00:11:27
And so because there is public meetings, it's able to go under consent. As far as World Trade Center or WTC, if you had any 00:11:28
questions as opposed to 24 hours in advance and so you would have seen it and that 24 hours in advance. 00:11:36
OK. 00:11:46
The meeting that you talked about there was a four to one vote. It was a four to one vote. So the the council all felt that that 00:11:50
was an important move. I'm not sure what you were told as far as the three to two votes. We could go back and review it and then 00:11:57
maybe you could talk to our staff and our attorney and I will connect you. Let's see. 00:12:04
Not right now, but we can talk about it afterwards. OK, the vote for the caucus. Let's see, last meeting we did have definitely 00:12:13
here who talked about the addendum that was made to the bill and it talks about how the City Council would have an opportunity. 00:12:20
This is the the wording close to the wording, the paraphrasing of it to vote as a council to come up with a strategy for how to 00:12:27
talk about special sessions in a prior council. So it doesn't take away power, It just talked about the idea that a City Council 00:12:33
could vote on something. 00:12:40
That's number one, and I think it's important to recognize that number two, in the council's before that, our City Council had 00:12:47
discussed the need to make parameters and set parameters around special sessions because they weren't going according to how the 00:12:53
full City Council wanted to see them happen. So we talked about that in the last meeting. They talked about how he felt. You know, 00:12:59
there was a minority side that wanted it one way. We talked about how the law, there's always a majority that votes for it. We 00:13:05
talked about that viewpoint and. 00:13:11
Hartley also talked about why he was working on that at that time. 00:13:18
Now, there's all sorts of reasons we have for why we have a lobbyist. You'll be happy as that's part of your question. It seems to 00:13:21
know that in the retreat we talked about one of the priorities being let's review and see why we need a lobbyist or why we're 00:13:29
using some of the resources or partnerships that we're utilizing. And so we'll have more on that as we do that review. 00:13:37
And you can connect with Naseem on that as well. He has their number. 00:14:26
Is it is it likely in the future that I'll be able to use it or to flagship shut that down? I I heard little things about it, but 00:14:31
nothing really to clarify. I think it's a complicated issue right now where they're going to the state to try to find out what 00:14:37
their rights are and so we'll probably learn more about it. And in the meantime, we're having to send people to Comcast to deal 00:14:43
with any problems that they caused in people's yards right now. 00:14:49
So. 00:14:56
Marty, sorry. So we talked about the original Utah flag, but I haven't seen it put up yet. 00:14:59
Got lost in translation. 00:15:11
The council recommended moving ahead with what the mimicking what the state law was on the use of the historic flag and that's for 00:15:15
12 different holidays throughout throughout the year and so it will be posted at each of those holidays. OK, so it seems like we 00:15:22
found out that we can only raise it during those times we're prohibited. I feel like the city should be able to push to push back 00:15:30
on that. We in the last Fifth were prohibited flying the. 00:15:37
Other day. 00:15:46
Hold on the council. The council recommendation with the approval was let's mimic the state law and the state law is recommends 00:15:48
using the historic flag on on the the 12 or 13. 00:15:54
Recognized holidays, I remember talking about it, but I don't remember that we actually made that decision. No, we did. But what 00:16:02
we said was we want to put it up as much as possible in accordance with state law. So if the state law is saying that we can't do 00:16:09
that, then we would do it in accordance with state law. It it does not speak in the in the. 00:16:15
Negative. It speaks in the affirmative in the state code that says when we can do it, Yes. So, Jamie, I guess what would your 00:16:22
recommendation be on making sure we're going in accordance with the law? 00:16:28
I think Eric's given an accurate summary of how I read that. It doesn't get into the detail of you know when you shouldn't or 00:16:36
should fly it. It does give restrictions on which is flown higher than the other and the new flag flies higher, the older flag 00:16:43
flies lower. And then the way the state law works, at least for state entities, is that the state flag flies on the designated 00:16:50
holidays or ceremonial. 00:16:57
So we wanted to fly the state flag, the older state flag, all the time we could. 00:17:05
So I'm understanding that I I don't think it prohibits it. OK, I think. 00:17:14
Our goal was to fly it and as much as possible, unless the state prohibited it, Is that right? I feel like that is what it is, so 00:17:19
I thought it was that it prohibited that. 00:17:25
Yeah, that's kind of what I understood. I think during the motion it said let's follow the the state law, we're happy to know. 00:17:31
I think the recommendation versus the law I guess. So I think it was just. 00:17:42
I So what Marty is saying is that we want to follow the state law to fly it whenever we can. Not necessarily. Yeah, not 00:17:48
necessarily the affirmative dates recommended will this flight all the time. 00:17:54
And not have to worry about taking it down Perfect, then it'll work out. That's what I think, and there's a lot of perfectly. 00:18:02
Marty, OK, now I'm ready. Sorry about that. 00:18:12
So specifically, probably the most. 00:18:16
There's been a few meetings or several meetings I've been to. The notable ones was I did get to go on an E Geneva tour, which was 00:18:20
really cool. I got to go and see the, what they call the Red Sea, where there's a lot of iron in the soil and I got to see just 00:18:28
kind of what the Land's looking like and got more information about what the soil conditions are in the East Geneva sites. That 00:18:35
was really cool, what they're working on there. It is a huge project. 00:18:43
I think it's what little boys dream of so and they said that if there's anyone in the community that's ever interested that they 00:18:51
would be willing to take others. So if you want to set that up, please let me know and I can reach out. 00:18:57
Another thing that's been really kind of prominent in my schedule is Alpine School District, just some communications with them. 00:19:04
They've had their study for the survey for the split, for their, the results from the study for the potential split of Alpine 00:19:12
School District. And they're going to be having a board meeting I believe on April 23rd and I can confirm that date, but they're 00:19:21
having that. So on April 23rd they're doing the MTG. 00:19:29
Nothing has been decided yet. It's still kind of in the evaluation phase And then also just talking about safer routes for our 00:20:12
kids specifically that live on the east side of the train tracks. We're looking to make sure that when they're they're walking or 00:20:20
if we somehow possibly potentially could ever get them back to the bus situation or having a future conversation about getting 00:20:27
them across near their school. And so that's continually. 00:20:35
In conversation that we'll have to work towards, but it was a really positive. 00:20:43
Good working meeting and I hope to have more with them in the future. And then? 00:20:49
I think that was the main two things I wanted to share. Am I forgetting anything this week? I know that there's a meeting for 00:20:57
Huntsman working towards some of the planning. 00:21:02
And that's exciting. So I may or may not be able to be at that meeting, but I will report back what I learned and that's it. OK, 00:21:09
Amber. 00:21:13
Just a story I mentioned. We've got Benson coming in for our community gardens and we have an Arts Commission meeting on Thursday. 00:21:18
I believe they'll be talking about vineyard days, so stopping if you want to hear about that. Perfect. 00:21:25
Jake. 00:21:31
I wanted to just a couple of things. Um. 00:21:37
I think I'm very grateful for the opportunity to do the budget meeting today. I thought it was really good from our retreat that 00:21:42
we were able to do it. I think we could improve upon that to have the door open. I apologize, but I also think every subsequent 00:21:48
budget meeting, I know that we have dates on it. 00:21:54
I think that we should do it like advertise those much more like at least a week in advance. I have a group of five or six Cpas 00:22:00
that are going to look over and prepare me to do that and I think it would be very helpful for them to so that they could be here 00:22:06
at those. 00:22:12
But I did agree to this meeting with a but it was it was really hard from a month to know about it on a Monday. But I'm grateful 00:22:19
that you that we did the meeting because I know we just did that so. 00:22:24
I'm grateful that they gave us the meaning. But if we could, Eric, just let's think it through and all of them moving forward if 00:22:30
we could get it because. 00:22:35
I think would be helpful and then my group of Cpas did get it were deputized. I just want to let general public know to get that 00:22:41
now. But I do think it's in good faith to make and I think we should have a policy on this to have a public facing Ledger. I know 00:22:48
there's minor names that are in it that is making it difficult, but if we as a policy told Christie to never put anything in there 00:22:55
at the beginning and this was a recommendation from the state auditor. 00:23:02
That so that it is so easy to be downloadable. I'm being approached by many different voices guarded library. 00:23:10
La Caraway people and I believe that the citizens should be able to dissect it and come and attack me on any issue of it and say, 00:23:18
well, I think this is more worth than this. And one of the things that I think it gives an unlevel advantage towards us if they 00:23:26
don't have the data as equally as I do. So if we could we just do a policy on that. I don't know if it takes another week to think 00:23:33
about that, but like if we just said that, I think it's such a good message First city. 00:23:41
I think that we could look it over and see what is necessary to put in a budget as we review some of the other financial things 00:23:49
that we're reviewing and then bring it back to the table. I understand going, yeah and I understand going back last year I might 00:23:56
take Pam a lot of work to do, but if it's forward facing, there were a few different cities that they were like at we do a a 00:24:04
report every 90 days and they just make it public so that people can attack me on why we spent this so quick clarity. 00:24:12
But just criticize and give feedback. Can you clarify how the general ledger's going out deputized was used just now? But I would 00:24:20
like I'd like to clarify the word deputized. 00:24:26
The state used the word deputized with me in that they are authorized to use it, but the group of Cpas cannot share that out side 00:24:33
of them, so they can't talk about it publicly. 00:24:38
Right. That's what I was told. I don't know what you mean by deputize if if if by what you mean is that you're sharing. 00:24:44
Information that was classified as private or protected with individuals outside of city government and. 00:24:54
We probably ought to talk. 00:25:03
So maybe you could share what was discussed in the retreat for Jamie so that there can be full clarity and this will be really 00:25:06
helpful for Jake as well as he moves forward. Jamie wrote the e-mail I sent allowing you to share with your Cpas, the general 00:25:13
Ledger. But anything to make public is is up to you and to be cautious about what you are making. But I so I want to be absolutely 00:25:20
clear in the meeting here. 00:25:27
There I'm not the records officer and so I don't make the decision as to what is private, protected or. 00:25:35
Control Pam is the records officer. She makes those choices. She'll consult with me when she has questions on. On the Ledger that 00:25:42
you requested, there were some payments that related to. 00:25:49
Minors, they were like payments of fines, fees. Some of them were employees of the city in kind of parks and recs and those kind 00:25:57
of functions and Pam and reviewing it had some questions about whether. 00:26:04
Their names ought to be classified as private. Whether she should go through the Ledger and pull that out. 00:26:12
It's not entirely clear in the Grandma statue what those would be classified as, but we thought we ought to err on the side of 00:26:19
caution there. That was the only category or kind of description of things that she was concerned about. Everything else, I think, 00:26:24
was. 00:26:29
Public and can be shared publicly. So you were given one version of the documents printed that had that information redacted, and 00:26:34
then another version without it redacted. And then I gave Pam a little note that just says we're giving that to you as a council 00:26:41
member so that you may review it, but I don't think it's appropriate for you to share it with. 00:26:49
Non elected officials or non employees of the city and and I don't think it appropriate either for the city to deputize people 00:26:57
that are not elected or are not employees of the city to view unredacted private or protected information. We can't do that under 00:27:05
grandma and that's why I had Pam send a little paragraph to you when she transmitted that. So just for a little more clarification 00:27:13
on some things with what's posted on the transparency website is. 00:27:22
Quite a bit different. 00:27:32
But I do believe you know, as minors, as employees, those will show up but they won't designate their age. But what we're asking 00:27:34
is just caution if you choose to share something. 00:27:40
So when you're saying cost and you're choosing to clarify, you're choosing to share something with the idea. And Jake, maybe this 00:27:48
is what you're about to say that you're going to verify before you share that page or something like that? 00:27:55
Yes, it's on transparency. You can share it, but if it's something that's not we we went through that. I can look through it. So 00:28:05
yeah, just just reach out to me and I'll. 00:28:11
And we'll make a decision determination on it. 00:28:19
I was wondering, so can he or can't? Because we're getting a little bit of different information, so he can not share it with his 00:28:24
Cpas, not in total, not he can't send the whole document to the CPA. 00:28:32
That includes the questionable information. I mean we could, we could, I sent it. So they said OK, she told me. So I think I 00:28:41
miscommunication as well. So let's talk offline about how to handle kind of recall of that, but. 00:28:48
I I am. Pam gets to make the choices about what's private and protected. She's concerned about the names of minor employees of the 00:28:57
city and their payroll information with the name attached. And then concerns about fees, fines, those kinds of things that may 00:29:04
have been paid by minors. And so I'd like to have a conversation with you. We can do it offline about that information. Aren't 00:29:11
Pam's intent with that is not. 00:29:19
To prevent you from getting information, it's just that she has no other process other than a manual 1 to go through the Ledger 00:29:27
and filter those things out. There's not a column or a button. 00:29:33
In the financial system that lets you identify which things were transactions involving minors and which weren't. The the 00:29:40
information pushed to the transparency website is fully public. It's routine and how it does it it's you can always go and pull it 00:29:46
up and at the intervals that it's updated, it's there the the budget information, not the expensive information, but the overall 00:29:53
budget of course is a public document. The preliminaries published early in the year and then the final budget is published and as 00:29:59
it's updated. 00:30:06
It's there. 00:30:13
You as a council member can come in and review the Ledger information whenever you'd like in its unredacted format. With 00:30:16
everything there, you just have to be careful about certain line items that might relate to minors or or be of concern. I think 00:30:23
the reason why, and I don't know if you spoke with Tyson, the state auditor, was he was the one that used the OR not the state. 00:30:30
There's fifty of them in the state auditor's offices. 00:30:37
Was he said that many cities will and his users were deputized or come in and say this is the council of the council member that 00:30:44
they and the city can put forth any type of licensing the I think the five people, the citizens of Vineyard that have their CPA 00:30:51
licenses were. 00:30:58
Gonna take it as they're not sharing it publicly, but giving us counsel on it internally. Like not. 00:31:05
That's what the purpose was for it. So what? It wasn't that they would take it and I. 00:31:12
I'm a little I. 00:31:17
There's no problem, certainly with transparent government. That's an important principle, right, and how we do things. 00:31:20
And we want to be sure people have information so they can be informed and can be part of that process. 00:31:27
But we have representative government and you have authorities that are different than any citizen within the city and you can't. 00:31:32
Just deputize somebody or say to them I give you the authority I have, so. 00:31:42
Please be careful about that. As it relates to records, there are cities. I don't know that our city, that vineyard has this 00:31:48
structure, but there are cities that will have a Finance Committee or a budget committee, that is. 00:31:55
A subset of the City Council and then they also will appoint. 00:32:03
Staff and other individuals to. 00:32:09
Serve on that, commissioner, that committee, our code has a structure by which those appointments and those committees would be 00:32:12
formed, if the council chooses to do it. But unless you have formed a group through that process and you have brought somebody on 00:32:19
and they've signed an oath and had training and all of those things, it wouldn't be appropriate to share private or protected or 00:32:26
confidential information. And that's part of the reason about a month or or maybe six weeks or so ago, I circulated a memo about 00:32:34
care for information and data. 00:32:41
And you all have an obligation to. 00:32:48
To not distribute publicly things that aren't public. And they're not public because anybody's hiding anything. They're public 00:32:53
because there are legitimate privacy and business and other reasons why certain information has to be protected. And we don't make 00:33:00
those rules. We just look to the state statute and then try to apply our best judgment. 00:33:08
What's protected and what's not in that context? 00:33:16
Do you have any questions? 00:33:21
OK. All right. Well, we'll then I don't. 00:33:23
Then maybe the CPA's don't have it. We'll figure that out. Well, we'll talk offline the next thing was. 00:33:29
I I also think our city in talking with citizens this past week I did speak with according to leases and others about I think even 00:33:39
though me, the council and us might review them like with the ambassador meetings. 00:33:47
Acronyms for government are really difficult to understand and I think that if we do something in as a consent item that night, we 00:33:56
didn't have a document explaining it right? It was just more of a there's only a paragraph on it. 00:34:03
And it didn't have the total dollar amount, it just had the, hey, this is referenced in the budget and I think is moving forward. 00:34:12
You can't do anything about the past, but if we could as a policy on consent items require the total dollar amount even though it 00:34:18
was we mentioned hey this was approved in the budget before like listing that out. I think that you know Provo has done a really 00:34:24
good job of. 00:34:31
And in the health department's health called health literacy, we're trying to make sure every community can understand what's 00:34:40
going on and making it in its simplest form and and I think that is kind of violating if they don't if they don't understand it. 00:34:46
So could we could we have the can we have the as a policy and I know that means more work for step. We can't make that decision 00:34:52
tonight. But it is something that we could add in a review. I think it's a great idea. And then. 00:34:59
The other thing and I and I struggle with council women, so Fuentes and I think also Amber is if we could delay, I said two weeks. 00:35:07
I think Amber is saying a week to where our agendas instead of being 24 hours posted are seven days and I would argue that. 00:35:19
Because a lot of the way that I make decisions is I do not have a background in planning or a CPA. And some of the best decisions 00:35:32
I ever make is getting like Jim Miguel for the fire station. Hey, you're really a smart guy. You have 30 years of experience, and 00:35:40
if we can get the agenda seven days in advance, it allows me to get it. It's made public. Throw it out to the group of people 00:35:47
because I got 30 people. 00:35:55
That really helped me. 00:36:02
A follow up from 2 weeks ago, one of the requests that we had was the neighborhood notices of the fire station. We were going to 00:36:36
go knock on every door. I went to two houses and they didn't know it's picking up my daughter. Did we do that? Do they know now or 00:36:42
do we planning on doing that? We're doing that next week. We've done a lot of those in the past and what we found, if you do it 00:36:48
too far, advanced people forget. So typically if you do it like a week or two before then it you know it's it's fresher on our 00:36:54
minds. 00:37:00
We have that on our calendar. 00:37:06
OK. I noticed in that area there's a lot of houses that are looking like they're close to completion, but they're not obviously 00:37:08
occupied or purchased yet from my exemption. How would be a good way to make sure we're working with the developers so that people 00:37:14
buying homes that are educated on the plans, you know what I mean? Yeah, we we could. 00:37:21
We could ask them to provide that that that information. I mean, whether or not they, I'm sure, I'm sure he would, if we pass it, 00:37:28
could we put a little sign that says Future Firehouse? Yeah. Contact Vineyard City For more information. Absolutely. 00:37:35
And then? 00:37:44
I know we had a public comment about Representative Nelson, and I know he took off. 00:37:46
And the lobbyist type thing, I have been able to work with Representative Nelson so well in the last four months and he will run 00:37:53
any type of legislation. I know he was maybe going to speak about it. Or Abbott. Sorry, what did I say? Nelson. Nelson. Abbott, 00:37:59
sorry. And. 00:38:05
I would hunt. He is our elected representative and I wish he was able here to be able to say that. But and then another feedback. 00:38:14
Me and Amber had a conversation last Thursday and I wanted to thank her for meeting with me. It was a good two hour and 2 1/2 hour 00:38:21
spirited debate and some of the things that have happened in the past I want to put behind us. I'm going to vigorously debate her 00:38:28
on different things, but it was a really good conversation to go through and do that. 00:38:35
Gonna still hold her accountable as she is me. And then the other thing is. 00:38:43
Walker away. 00:38:50
In the budget meeting today it was discussed by one of the City Council citizens are here that I'm not going to sit or represent 00:38:53
What Car waste or vineyard someone will hear. But I did want to let people know that in a private setting I am going to be working 00:39:00
hard to diligently work and push that forward and. 00:39:07
But there needs to be a lot of men being offenses or not, fences of relationships. 00:39:15
And of things coming out, and I just wanted people know that I'm going to be working hard on that. So that's my report. All right, 00:39:23
Council, as I mentioned to you, I do have something else I have to be at tonight. I apologize. Thank you so much for taking this 00:39:31
over. You'll have to nominate a PRO 10 who will continue the discussion. I have passed along the agenda to my right that whoever 00:39:39
you decide, my agenda can rotate to whomever you want. And if you have any questions for me afterwards, please reach out to me. 00:39:47
Thank you. 00:39:56
Yeah, I could call for it now. Do you guys want to go ahead and make a nomination? I nominate Marty. All right, First birthday. 00:39:57
Can I get a second? A second. Second by Sarah. All in favor. 00:40:03
All right. ****. Amber. Aye. Marty. Sarah. All right, all right. Thank you, Mayor Fulmer. 00:40:10
Umm, OK, so now that we're done with council reports, we can move on to our consent items. I just need a motion to approve the 00:40:19
consent items. 00:40:24
It's up to you guys. 00:40:31
If you have any questions or if you want to pull anything off, we can discuss it. 00:40:34
I don't have anything I kind of wanted to hear about. I wanted some questions on the municipal wastewater. 00:40:38
So we just need an approval for Five Point Motion to approve 5.1 and we will discuss 5.2. 00:40:46
I don't think so. Are you out of here, Amber? OK. 00:40:56
OK. OK. So I yeah. 00:41:00
I move to approve the consent item 5.1. 00:41:05
Can I get a second second? 00:41:09
All in favor, aye. 00:41:13
5.2 This is a Public Works report. It's the the 2024 Municipal Wastewater Management Planning Program Annual Report, The CM 00:41:17
Gondor. Could you maybe just summarize and give us some information? Or Jake if there's specific questions if you want to let him 00:41:23
know. 00:41:28
I just wanted to kind of. 00:41:37
From what I'm understanding, these are for new builds, right? Let's see like I didn't see anything in it for a. 00:41:40
For rates of wastewater, right? 00:41:53
So this is, this is a report of our is an annual report and it's more of an evidence from my understanding. Please correct me and 00:41:58
let me see if you want to explain it. But this is just a report, an annual report is more of an administrative move for us to 00:42:03
approve it and we're just accepting the work that's been submitted. 00:42:09
It's just not talking about any type of weights, right. OK. Because I was reading through kind of some of the reports and I was 00:42:17
like, I'm guessing that this is OK, yeah, it's And then if you would like actually. 00:42:23
One of the authors, and seldom would you like Would you like Chris Jackson, who just started to eat? Would you like him to provide 00:42:29
a brief summary of the report? 00:42:33
You have to come to the microphone. 00:42:39
So basically the CEQ asked for this report every year. It's basically how we are performing in our wastewater field. It asks 00:42:48
financial stuff that it wants to know if we're financeable, financial, ready to fix problems and stuff. It also asks. 00:42:59
Maintenance and there was a. 00:43:11
I can't think of the name of it, but there's. 00:43:16
I I should have read it better, but there's a. 00:43:20
That spot in there where it it refers to our. 00:43:27
Operations and procedures. OK. That's what I thought. I didn't think we were adjusting or changing anything. I was like I was like 00:43:32
I'm not seeing in this document there's any adjustments, but if there's something new, could we redline our pointed out? But that 00:43:38
was my only question. Am I understanding there's no rates and anything changes? 00:43:43
And it just reminds us to look at our our operation procedures every year to see if we need to make any changes, see if anything 00:43:51
has changed with our buildings and stuff like that. 00:43:56
Does the state after your report this come back and give us feedback off of it? Never. 00:44:02
Your placement test at the end of the year in school, you don't know how well you did. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm assuming if we didn't do 00:44:10
it right so they don't get back Okay. Yeah. So just to kind of elaborate the self and Love and Chris Jackson worked on the report 00:44:17
to put it together. It's there, you know, kind of state mandate for state requirements, using state requirements to submit. 00:44:24
Waste management, the wastewater wastewater management plan to the state it's kind of like a almost a checks and balance just to 00:44:32
ensure that it provides us an opportunity to kind of go through our system to ensure that we're. 00:44:39
Taking care of checking the box, I'll say like that, taking care, it's a short survey or short report. They're not asking for 00:44:48
specific details to ensure that we're making sure our operations are maintenance plans are being taken care of and of course with 00:44:55
Chris Jackson was talking about so I can make sure we're financially sufficient and able to maintain our operations. 00:45:01
What the state does is an error. Sullivan, please elaborate for me if on that is that they do put, they take the survey 00:45:08
information from all the cities and then they kind of put it together as a big lump survey to say across the board this is what it 00:45:15
is. I mean Chris Jackson haven't worked in the wastewater field for a little bit more than a minute longer than for a very long 00:45:22
time and of course again solvent as well. 00:45:29
You know, in terms of like that, it just provides that kind of like guidance and oftentimes when you're filling out those surveys, 00:45:37
you know it's kind of like school. If you struggle on the question, it probably means different. You probably have to go back and 00:45:44
search the answer on that. But in essence that's all it is and it's required for the city, it's a requirement for the City Council 00:45:52
to approve it as well. There's a item on the bottom that Sullivan had to remind us that this has to go for State Council and. 00:45:59
The in essence just to review this, it provides that that's the checks and balance portion of it. 00:46:07
To ensure that we're providing that transparency to council and the public as well. 00:46:12
Awesome. Thank you. Sorry to bring you up here. There are a lot of numbers in there and I go, I think this is a report that I 00:46:19
wanna make sure. 00:46:23
Hey, so if we're comfortable with item 5.2, I just need a motion for approval, a motion for approval consent, item 5.2 I second. 00:46:28
That's all in favor, aye? 00:46:37
OK. I don't know if that's redundant. No, it's part of it. OK, so now we move on to business items. We have a public hearing item 00:46:42
8.1. I need a motion to move into the public hearing. 00:46:50
I make a motion to move into public hearing. 00:46:59
A second So first by Jacob, second by Sarah on Roku. All in favor? Aye. All right, so public. This is a chance for you to come to 00:47:02
the microphone if you want to spend. If anyone wants to spend a few minutes if they have questions or any concerns with the. 00:47:12
Or do we do a presentation first? 00:47:23
And we just usually you'll introduce the item and then after, well you were a member of staff and then once it's explained, you'll 00:47:27
take comment so people know what they're commenting on and then you can. So when I when I do that, is it better to explain it 00:47:33
first then move into public hearing, sorry about that, you're OK you can open it and then do that part. OK. So who do we have on 00:47:40
or Eric, did you want to present this? 00:47:46
So we've got two business items today. I can I can go over those real quick. The consolidated fee amendment includes page one, 00:47:55
just changing the title of that utility meter and connection fees. 00:48:03
As we go back to page 5, this is the rate adjustment that is a pass through from TSD to another special service district going 00:48:12
from $3.45 or and $0.64 per 1000 gallons up to $5.10 per 1000 gallons. 00:48:22
And then as you go through, there's a couple other changes that are associated with that increase. 00:48:34
There's a editorial one on page 11. 00:48:42
On page. 00:48:48
12 There's another couple chain just minor changes to the encroachment permit, $150.00 plus a dollar per square foot of disturbed 00:48:50
asphalt. 00:48:55
$300.00 on on the line down there with fine for use of public right away without approved permit it's $300.00 plus $150.00 per 00:49:03
hour on the final grading of residential lot bond. That is $1000 up to one acre. That looks the same to me so I'm not sure what 00:49:11
the change was there and then. As far as trees for the replacement of a damaged tree, one clarification was that on trees greater 00:49:19
than 3 inches in diameter, it'll be a minimum of $1200 per tree. 00:49:27
And then on the back of the consolidated fee schedule? 00:49:40
The water adjustments were made down down the line. Effectively the three quarter inch water meter connection fee will now be 581 00:49:43
inch 795 dollars, 1 1/2 inch meter, 12142 inch water meter and connection fee 19130 fire hydrant meter. Rental deposit is now 2050 00:49:52
dollars. 00:50:00
They cleared out the. 00:50:11
Fire Hydrant Meter penalty fees. 00:50:13
And have a daily rate of fire hydrant meter at $10 or $300.00 a month. 00:50:16
And then the Water Red Fire Hydrant meter now has a utility use fee for a three inch meter commercial water base and tiered rates. 00:50:23
Residential construction water is now $100 minimum. Non residential construction water also now $100 minimum minimum. 00:50:34
Illegal connection to utility system such as water, sewer, storm water or roadway is now $2000 per occurrence plus $1000 per day. 00:50:43
So those are the changes. And to clarify this typically this last page is more for developers within our city. It's not likely to 00:50:50
apply to the residents correct and. 00:50:57
One question I have is just about the tree replacement I get. 00:51:06
Is that? 00:51:13
I know that the cost is assessed by the city arborist, but if it's like an accident or are we pretty like it's going to happen 00:51:16
like if it? 00:51:20
I'm just wondering, you know, I feel really bad for someone that accidentally hurts a tree. 00:51:25
Well, isn't that covered by their insurance, right? If you hit a tree in the city, then the city goes after the car insurance for 00:51:31
them, right? 00:51:35
Yeah. 00:51:41
I think the sheriff, actually, you put that in the report, the damage, right? Don't we go after that? 00:51:43
Yeah, we would report that and report its loss of this amount. So great. And then. 00:51:52
Would it help if I went through the 2nd item as well and then public comment could come in on either one? 00:52:01
OK. So we have the public hearing open. Is there anyone in the public that would like to ask questions or share thoughts? 00:52:08
OK. I think then Council, if we could get a motion to close the public hearing. A motion to close the public hearing, I second. So 00:52:17
first by Jacob, second by Sarah, all in favor, aye. OK. Council, do you have any questions or anything you want to discuss before 00:52:25
we vote this through or not voted through? This is, this is one of the things where I talk about open business where we have some 00:52:32
great citizens that will review these in greater detail. 00:52:40
That I really, they're volunteers, you know? And so that's my only comment there and then. 00:52:49
Yeah, like you're getting this whole thing because five or six people that can really just get into the nuts and bolts of this 00:52:56
particular issue, but I don't see anything for existing fee increases. This is just for new build, right? 00:53:04
Whether water rate increases? 00:53:13
And sewer, sewer use rate increase rate did increase. It increased from 364 per 1000 gallons to $5.10 per gallon per 1000 gallons. 00:53:16
And this is a pass through to the city from TSSD. So it's 100%. We don't add anything on to that. It is and and neglecting to make 00:53:24
this, this rate adjustment unfortunately cost the city. 00:53:33
A fair $25,000 a month or so. 00:53:43
As its collected amount. And so typically what the city does is it gets the bill from for sewer, it divides that up amongst the 00:53:47
citizens, but it cannot do that until the the. 00:53:52
Consolidated fee schedule has been adopted. 00:53:58
OK. So when you're when do we notify them of this, the citizens? 00:54:03
So it will go into effect. Excuse me so. 00:54:11
In essence, I would have to get with that in regards to the noticing, I think it's usually 30 days on the noticing on that. And 00:54:15
then what we do is we will put the information in flowers or seasonal information on the utility billing to buy them notification 00:54:22
that they're about to utility building increase and we send that notification out because it is ours because the pass through, but 00:54:28
we'll put the language that this is. 00:54:34
Increase, increase from them through US and we did also have them come, we had TSSD come right a month or two ago and talk through 00:54:41
what that change was, what caused that, but this is the implementation of that adjustment in our city budget. So on the utility 00:54:49
bill, just to clarify, we can I guess take what you're asking for is that it's it specifically says the rate increase is because 00:54:56
of TSSD not because of Vineyard City. 00:55:03
Yeah, I have to see what the limitations on our utility building like and when I say limitations in terms of the wording wise, I'm 00:55:11
sure we'll be sure that it says. 00:55:17
Sewer treatment costs are passed through and the rate increases, a reflection of that increase. No additional increase from 00:55:24
vineyards today. Yeah, charged it is. It has a zero net impact on our budget. 00:55:32
Is that not passing it has an impact on our budget, but but having this cleared up makes it so that. 00:55:41
Our budget stays neutral as it pertains to a pass through fee. This is one of the things in terms of notification and I'm a 00:55:48
flowery positive guy but I'm also think that social media should be used to pass negative information as well because it's a tax 00:55:55
right And and some so many of us use social media as that. I think those that are are public are should be noticing those you know 00:56:02
in a not a non. I mean obviously a link to the budget not a ton of crazy stuff but hey this is this is happening. We want to be 00:56:09
upfront about it. 00:56:16
When it goes out in a kind, nice way, I think that I like the sentiment. I think that's something that you'd have to talk to me or 00:56:24
former about. Yeah. It just goes through the discussion of like how we use that and how it's not the mayors. But it's everyone's 00:56:31
like, hey, this is especially because I'm, I'm a tax guy, right, dollars guy like. 00:56:37
Somebody touches my peers on my my wallet. I want to know and I think you know social media should be used for that. Well and I'm 00:56:44
I'm also I I believe when you're trying to communicate especially to a large group the more ways you try to do that the better and 00:56:51
and even putting it on you could put in a policy the four largest public facing groups on Facebook like these types of things. 00:56:58
It's very simple. Hey this is what happened. This is why. 00:57:05
3rd grade reading level. 00:57:13
You know and and being able to reach out. 00:57:15
It also obviously you're going to get pushback and I think that's why public comments on Facebook is good because then I can read 00:57:19
them and everyone could. And it you know how it goes to that one message which our communications person having a policy when we 00:57:25
do that that we get to read the negative comments that come in because it helps educate us, right. Yeah, I know Jake, I don't 00:57:31
think you want you're requesting this off at all, but it's just kind of a back to this circling around to the communications 00:57:37
department is a nightmare's purview. 00:57:43
Right. And her and we have an ordinance, I guess that puts it underneath her responsibility. And so we actually, even if we wanted 00:57:50
to, we couldn't vote for any policy change. Correct. But I think we have an opportunity through the budget and I wish she was here 00:57:57
to hear this because that was one of the things I said. I said I could budget the communications director in the mayor's office 00:58:04
for part time, but if it's going to be for public notices and you know, different things of the public good. 00:58:11
I would cut the budget there and I would say are we as a negotiating thing because. 00:58:19
I I think it really should be a a citizen's. 00:58:26
Portal and not the mayor's. So that's why I brought that up in the budget meeting was like, hey, we're gonna budget this for that 00:58:31
position. 00:58:34
I guess pipe in on my son. Do you understand what he's asking on which one they point to? So we're actually kind of off topic. 00:58:41
Well, have you voted on 8.1? No, we're just talking about the fee structure and approving it and how the notice is gonna go out if 00:58:47
we go through and do it right. 00:58:53
Yeah. To clarify at least what's on the agenda today, I. 00:59:00
I don't know that you can vote on, I know we can't vote. But give direction on things. You can give input to staff and then 00:59:04
they'll take that and make an attempt. 00:59:09
To notice it properly, but all you're voting on is the fee increase. 00:59:14
So I guess, I guess to clarify, maybe we vote on this and get it taken care of and then if you wanted to call like a point of 00:59:19
order, then he could talk about something for the future to be discussed in the future not. I guess I'm just saying I'm trying to 00:59:24
keep this on topic. 00:59:30
So we're not out of bounds on our current agenda, but also we get like, I just want to be with them along, right. What I'm saying 00:59:37
is that if we go through and pass this, we can't put a writer legislatively that this is going to be. 00:59:44
And announced on our official page and a third grade reading level. I can't. 00:59:50
You can't. No. OK. 00:59:56
Not yet, but it's something that should be on the agenda to move the communications director, because it would be against the law. 01:00:00
Or what? No, there's no such thing as a writer under, I mean, or not a writer. There's a writer when you're writing federal 01:00:07
legislation, but that's different than what you're talking about here. You What you have noticed and what you have the public 01:00:14
hearing about was a change to the consolidated fee schedule. It's not. 01:00:21
An action to direct staff to do things you're voting on. Implementing the fee or not implementing the fee. You can't control how 01:00:29
it's noticed. 01:00:34
OK, well I tried. 01:00:40
OK. So if there's no other further questions specifically about the proposed amendments to the consolidated fee schedule, I would 01:00:42
just need a motion to approve. 01:00:47
I motion to approve the fee structure and I need a second. Can I ask that you phrase that a little differently? This has to be 01:00:53
done by resolution, so it would be a motion to adopt resolution. Sorry about that. I moved to adopt resolution 2408 consolidated 01:00:59
fees charger change as presented. 01:01:06
Nice second. OK. And this will be done by roll call, so Jacob, me, yes, yes. 01:01:13
OK, so it passes Pam just as a procedural question, do I fill this out after or do you need me to fill this out now? 01:01:23
Oh, OK. Thank you. It worked. 01:01:32
OK. So now we'll move on to 8.2. This is the public hearing for the Vineyard City fiscal year 2023, Dash 2024, budget Amendment 01:01:35
#4. This is also something that Eric Ellis will present to us, the proposed amendments. I turn the time to you, Sir. Thank you. 01:01:44
This is a fairly short budget amendment. You have the spreadsheet in front of you and I'll just kind of describe what the two 01:01:55
amounts are. We're budgeting for the $120,000 tag grant. This is a grant, but we budget for it. We spend it, we get reimbursed 01:02:02
120,000. In addition to that we have. 01:02:09
$8000 that is being budgeted for the fire station or Firehouse design that was an add on to our our evaluation with. 01:02:18
With CRS. 01:02:29
We also have $7500 on here, which is a match for the Utah Lake Authority grant of 22,500 for the volleyball pit. 01:02:31
We have 120,000, which is a Greenbelt rollback tax on the Gammon Park. When the city acquired that land, it it did not pay the 01:02:42
rollback taxes on that. Anytime you convert out of agriculture to anything else, even to a public city like ourselves, you pay the 01:02:52
five years of Greenbelt rollback taxes and so paying that now saves us at a minimum. 01:03:01
10,000 over if we wait until the. 01:03:12
To the new evaluations are completed for property tax because we're looking at the back the last five years and there's a fairly 01:03:17
big jump on year five to year four and and that'll average and go up even beyond that. So getting that taken care of now it 01:03:25
doesn't, it doesn't force us to to not farm it while we're waiting, but it does allow us to pull the trigger on on plans for park 01:03:32
enhancements when we do that and then the real quick. So it has been. 01:03:40
Agriculture, it has up until right now is the pumpkin patch. Yeah. And we're going to change it now because we're going to go, 01:03:48
we're going to, we're going to pay the, the rollback taxes. We probably, it probably should have been done right when it was 01:03:54
acquired. And again, it didn't prohibit them from continuing to farm it until we had a different use for it. It's just taking care 01:04:01
of it now. Save the city at a minimum 10 extra $1000. 01:04:07
Rather than waiting for the because every year the property taxes in a city that's growing that and. 01:04:14
Inflation and so forth goes up in that property tax. Five years of property taxes due will go up each year by the amount that the 01:04:20
new evaluation is. 01:04:25
So we're taking care of that now. 01:04:32
So does that mean from here on it is going to be taxed as a from here on out, we won't actually have to pay taxes on it because 01:04:34
it'll be owned by a public entity, so? 01:04:38
And then in addition to that, we have the $120,000 grant, TAG grant that I mentioned and then a $9000 match for that TAG grant 01:04:45
that comes out of the city budget. Can you explain the TAG grant? 01:04:52
Yeah, What does TAG stand for? That's a technical assistance grant. So that's through mag and it's a, it's a it's a planning 01:04:59
grant. So we what we submitted for was Mill Rd. When we did our town hall last year, the primary theme was kind of crossings, it 01:05:06
being kind of a dangerous Rd. It felt like a barricade or a barrier to, you know, to cross and get into school. And so it would be 01:05:14
looking at that corridor, 400 N. 01:05:21
The trail that will be on Geneva Rd. So not all Geneva Rd. just our side and then a connection to the front runner station. So 01:05:28
that I know there's been some concerns too about that gap in the sidewalk. We're working with with with U dot on trying to fix 01:05:35
that. But we would also look at just ensuring that we have a a really efficient connection point from the east side to the West 01:05:41
side to the train station. And this this grant to clarify is to actually get the work done or to. Yeah, I'm sorry it's a planning 01:05:47
design grant. OK. 01:05:53
So it would, it would, it would give us, so they would analyze it and then they would provide us kind of a list of recommendations 01:05:59
and basically a schematic design on all of those projects. Yeah, So we would look at all those. So this doesn't actually go to 01:06:05
completing the project just for the design. 01:06:12
That the public open houses, that kind of stuff. And then once it's approved then we would budget out, you know, we'd say OK, 01:06:18
let's take on, we want to add a crossing here. 01:06:23
And then we would, you know have that engineer, then we put that in a budget. So this would be for future projects in, in, in 01:06:29
years out. And just depending on which ones you want to prioritize, how much each project is going to cost the city. Yeah, we 01:06:35
could have them do cost estimates most likely. We would probably reach out to people like that, the contractors and stuff like 01:06:42
that to help us. But the the designer could give us kind of a rough estimate. Yeah, that would be good. 01:06:48
I have a question about this, so do you want to turn it to the public comment? 01:06:56
I just need a motion to open the public hearing for item 8.2, The Vineyard City Fiscal Year 2023, Dash 2024 Budget and Member 01:07:02
Budget amendment. 01:07:08
I motion, yeah. I I second still moved. 01:07:16
Underneath it a second. OK. So first by Jacob, second by Sarah. This is done by no. All in favor. Aye, aye. All right. Public, do 01:07:22
you have any questions or please come to the microphone, state your name and let us know. Daria Evans, resident, I just want to 01:07:29
clarify with you, Morgan, the tag grant, is that the same as the Wayfinder signage grant that we talked about last week in 01:07:37
Planning Commission? 01:07:44
So yeah, we would do that at the same time. So we also so that that Grant, I apologize, you're absolutely right the the the Mill 01:07:53
Rd. is like the primary one in my head, but it also provides us a master plan for wayfinding signage and that would be citywide. 01:08:01
OK. I just want to make sure. No, thank you. I appreciate that. Thank you. Morgan, will you explain what way timing is? Sure. 01:08:10
Wayfinding. A lot of times it's going to be on trails. It'll be on roads. It'll like signage. Yeah. It's a signage that will 01:08:16
direct you to destinations that you want to go to. 01:08:21
So Yep. 01:08:28
OK. Do we have any other public comment? 01:08:31
All right. Can I get a motion to close the public hearing? 01:08:34
I motion to close the public hearing and can I get a second? 01:08:39
I second first Spicer second by Jacob. All in favor, Aye. All right, Jacob, what's your question? 01:08:43
I I get a little bit concerned in planning and getting ahead of our skis. I had a great conversation with. 01:08:53
Ben Steinman of 45 State Lands about because I saw a few maps of Utah cities. 01:09:01
The beachfront. 01:09:10
And. 01:09:12
I understand that Utah City can go in and submit designs and spend a ton and spend all of their money doing whatever they want. My 01:09:16
concern is, is that. 01:09:21
Staff money from ours being used in designing something that. 01:09:27
With forestry, fire and state lands on state lands that they would need to go through approval and we spend so much time and 01:09:33
effort on something that we don't know yet if they would even approve. Like for example, there's peers. 01:09:39
Everyone knows that. 01:09:47
All of the boat harbors of Utah Lake, because of the storms and the craziness of the destroying of everything, that you couldn't 01:09:50
just have a an open peer without it completely enclosed. And so it's like who why are we designing something like that? What what 01:09:56
would be accessible? And so my concern is that. 01:10:02
When we get grants like this, I know it's like, hey, let's go design. But before we approve this, it's like. 01:10:08
If it's state forestry pharmacy lands, before we do that, is there any way we can go in and say what is the parameters of what you 01:10:15
would allow and we spend the time on? 01:10:20
This would be allowed and then we only designed that type of stuff. Does that make sense? Specifically, I guess the question I 01:10:25
would like answered first is, are any of the areas being designed on state lands? Yeah, no, not for the tag. 01:10:32
Our portion of Geneva Rd. 01:10:42
Closely with the consultants. 01:11:19
Well, I I got that. 01:11:21
When we do get grant money or different things like that before we go plan it and then present it because planning takes a lot of 01:11:54
time and energy and we go meet with them. Yeah we we met we met with you Dots. We met with them Tyrell. I don't know what's 01:12:00
different Edwards and and so we we've talked about trail we've let them know that we wanted a trail they haven't said they had 01:12:07
opposition to a trail and their plan for Geneva Rd. They actually showed a trail on the east side but there's concerns because 01:12:13
alarm has the the power poles. 01:12:20
Whereas our current is a lot more clear. And So what what this does is it would provide us kind of a design that we could then 01:12:27
send to you dot and say that this is our preference when you wide engineer road. And so it's basically us kind of telling them 01:12:33
what our vision for our side of Geneva Rd. is if we want a trail showing them. This is the type of design we would prefer. So 01:12:39
maybe in regards to the discussion with the beachfront, could we maybe set up a meeting for you and Jacob to go over how that 01:12:45
works? 01:12:51
Before she finally so that we focus on the current item. No, no opposition to setting up stuff. But I don't know that we would do 01:12:57
it as a discussion item since it's not on the agenda. No. Just like a meeting outside of yeah, yeah, could you but one question on 01:13:03
this topic. 01:13:08
I believe that we have a once in a lifetime, and I wish our. 01:13:15
Vineyard, What's the biking group again? 01:13:20
No, the other one, The other Facebook group. 01:13:24
Good group, but anyway. 01:13:26
With the elimination of the of the. 01:13:31
Train track. 01:13:36
And I think that we need to have a very strategic conversation about those. 01:13:39
I know you are only focused in on Geneva Rd. from 1600 N until it crosses on the S curve, right? 01:13:43
But that trail line goes all the way down. It goes through. 01:13:51
UVU and it goes all the way down to Provo. 01:13:57
In Atlanta and in Chicago, they have taken these lanes and if you go and look at it, love everyone to go on to Google Maps and 01:14:01
look at it. 01:14:06
If that whole spur, if mag focused in on that, we would really have a bike highway. 01:14:11
So that it would be realistic that you could use a bike for long term transportation. And so that's what I'm worried about on this 01:14:21
design is I go because if it goes N, that train line goes up through American Fork and gets onto State Street. And so you're like, 01:14:29
I really hope that this is a bike highway because it's so safe that from the S curve it'll go up to 400 S and then it's like it's 01:14:37
just not on major roads. And so like if we're looking to 205020602070. 01:14:45
And we really do believe in bikes and non motorized vehicles and everything like that. That thoroughfare is just so critical. And 01:14:54
I I spoke with Bike Walk Provo two weeks ago about this and I said are you engaging Morgan, are you are we thinking about this 01:15:01
Because I just don't want that to block what we're doing there to. And I really believe this thing needs to be an inner city 01:15:08
saving of that of that spur because they're going to abandon that spur. 01:15:16
That land all the way goes all the way to Provo, right? And they're abandoning it, right? 01:15:23
Well, we would be purchasing it, right, our our city section, right. But what about Orem and Provo and the other first section. So 01:15:27
again, we're happy to go more in detail with you offline in terms of the whole project. But so with the real spur from 1600 N down 01:15:36
to about 400 S is what we're is the section that we're working on. It's within our city limits. 01:15:45
For us as a city. 01:15:55
Where we need to, you know we have to focus on RCA limits, right, But in essence further South Down to Provo and so forth. I don't 01:15:59
believe that they have an intentions of removing this blur line down there because they do have businesses as well further South, 01:16:06
but part of our part of the Reynoldsburg realignment project with the agreement that the city would be asked in purchasing the 01:16:13
property. 01:16:21
The other grasp and then we would be using that long Geneva corridor to improve the access points like for example 400 S and. 01:16:30
Foreign stuff and and many other areas along the along along the border. 01:16:44
And then the property that's put in an arm as well the City of England would be purchasing and that would have ownership of that 01:16:51
as well. So in our design of that are we thinking of that as a major bike highway through that or just more of like a you know 01:16:59
some sidewalks or trails are are are just kind of or is it is it pretty significantly wise? 01:17:07
Yeah, so, I mean, we talked to him. 01:17:16
Multiple times in regards to how we can improve, utilize that areas for improving for open spaces after transportation and of 01:17:20
course along the generic corridor we've had discussions like Morgan was talking about with Geneva, excuse me the E dot in regards 01:17:30
to what we would be utilizing others and of course it comes down to our you know the intent is to. 01:17:39
Provide access points for vehicles to get onto Geneva in and out vineyards as well as pedestrians to move along along the vineyard 01:17:49
and of course leaving and start talking to you thought about possibilities of enhancing the crossings between Vineyard and Orem 01:17:56
for pedestrians as well. So there's lots of areas we're kind of we're in the 10% design phase of this whole of this whole thing. 01:18:03
So when I talked about grants, it's a good discussion of like hey, when you're approving this, it's not just go out and design or 01:18:11
think things through that were. 01:18:18
We're diligent in getting the stakeholders that are there, but also we're we're looking outside of our city because that I would 01:18:25
hate for us to lose that rail spur as an inner city. You know, I think that's great. I think you got all your questions answered. 01:18:33
Are we ready to make a motion on this? OK, so I just need one of you to do it. I'll do it. I moved to without resolution 2409, 01:18:41
fiscal year 2023-2024 budget amendment #4AS presented. 01:18:50
OK, first place there. I need a second. 01:18:59
Aye, second. All right, Jacob. Second. This will be done by roll call, Jake. 01:19:02
Aye. 01:19:09
It is foresee strategy sessions to discuss pending or reasonably imminent litigation, so I just need a motion specifying those 01:19:24
things. 01:19:29
No, no, we have to do the motion in a public meeting. Make sure you specify the. 01:19:35
Basically the date, time, location and the reason for it. So you could say today immediately following the council meeting and the 01:19:40
council chambers to and then read that item number and should I do that or should I have the presentation? 01:19:47
So I make a motion today on. 01:19:57
To hold a closed session today on April 10th. 01:20:02
At 7:32 that we go into closed session for item and then the letter. 01:20:06
C Strategy Session to discuss pending and reasonable imminent litigation. 01:20:15
OK, so I have a first by Jacob. I need a second second. 01:20:23
All right. And is that by roll call, Jake? 01:20:30
Me, I, Sir. All right. The motion passed and that means we need a motion also. I adjourn the meeting. Thank you so much, Public. 01:20:35
We appreciate your attendance. Have a wonderful night. 01:20:40
Jamie, what's that? 01:20:48
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