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We'll open this up. 00:00:00
OK, the same. We can get started if you want. We do not have the guys from like Bronson on teams yet. 00:00:45
We wanted to we could go with the orchards, rearrange and do the orchards. 00:00:54
Final plat first if you want. 00:00:59
I'll leave it up to you. 00:01:02
Try to do an official call for motions, that would be great. You don't have to do a motion, just. 00:01:08
Call to order. I call to order. 00:01:13
The March 21st, 2024 Development Review Committee meeting. 00:01:18
No Gavel for you. Sorry. Sorry so. 00:01:25
All right. With that being said and in regards to the agenda item, Brant, are you, you're here for representing the, the downtown 00:01:30
development, is that correct? You are Okay? 00:01:36
I see no reason to change the order of the agenda, so that's fine. Let's proceed as agenda shows. 00:01:45
I'll just double check. Yeah, they are still not online. But yeah, we can get started with the Utah City phase three subdivision 00:01:52
final plat. I do apologize to everybody. 00:01:56
The still learning the software and my staff reports we're not getting uploaded to the agenda. 00:02:01
I did make one in my defense, and I sent it out in the invite. We'll try to get that figured out before the next meeting. 00:02:08
Oh, look at that. OK, I fixed the problem somehow. 00:02:18
OK. Anyways, so yeah, we have this final plat that I'm sure you've all seen before. This is the phase three. It's in the downtown 00:02:22
mixed-use zone, contains about approximately 64 acres of land and it'll be comprised of 20 unique lots, 2 unique partials with 00:02:28
eight interior private St. servicing the lots. And so those are the names of the streets we have Second Avenue, 3rd Ave. Main 00:02:34
Street, Broad Street, Civic Way. 00:02:40
Charleston Dover St. 00:02:47
I have a breakdown of how there's eight different blocks, and within those blocks there's these different lots. 00:02:49
It will be a lot easier if I just show you the plat so you can kind of get an understanding of. 00:02:56
What I'm talking about there? 00:03:01
So you have like block 8 and then you have lots 888-C8D in it and so on. 00:03:03
So in the applicant branch, is that your name? Right. So he's here representing. 00:03:10
Flagship Flagborough can answer any questions you do have as far as planning goes. Our comments. 00:03:16
We do have a few on the street naming and I know Naseem will have a few comments as that on that as well. We've seen prior Platts 00:03:22
where Broad Street right here is named Utah Promenade. 00:03:27
So and and I know Nasim might have an issue with both of these straights being named the same thing. Yeah, to be to be clear that 00:03:32
the prior plot that was approved and recorded had. 00:03:38
North Utah City Promenade Blvd. And South Utah City Promenade Blvd. So there were two distinctively different names. And I I do 00:03:43
believe that plat, although it was recorded, the streets weren't part of the recordation. 00:03:49
If that makes sense. It wasn't within the boundary of the. 00:03:58
The plat. 00:04:01
But they were labeled on there. 00:04:04
We do have that just as a conditional approval that the applicant will work with the community development department and 00:04:08
engineering on on figuring out the street name issues. 00:04:12
Those streets are one way streets. So that's if you Yeah. So and then actually we have. 00:04:19
The fire department here as well they can who may be able to speak with it but the. 00:04:26
One way streets but separated by two by different coordinate systems on that you can't make it 1 singular singular coordinate 00:04:30
system and the feedback that was given to. 00:04:35
US me specifically as well from the Sheriff's Office is that this would cause confusion for public safety. So emergency 00:04:41
responsives this was caused confusion for to them even though they're one way streets but with the separation specifically to 00:04:46
that. 00:04:50
So they so the Sheriff's Office provide. 00:04:56
Feedback recommending not to move forward with the street names. 00:04:58
Two same street names, even though they're one way. 00:05:02
On that and then again the. 00:05:06
I mean, Brandon, if you have any additional? 00:05:09
On that, but that's that was a feedback specifically from the sheriff's, from the Sheriff's Office. Lieutenant Rockwell and I 00:05:12
would agree with him on that even without his feedback. 00:05:17
Do you? 00:05:24
Do you know, are they wanting to keep the name Broad Street there? 00:05:26
I believe they do. 00:05:30
I don't know that we have we reached out to the county to see what the limitations of that and. 00:05:34
In terms for public works engineering, our side and Patrick can correct me if I'm wrong. He better not though, but now he can 00:05:42
correct me. 00:05:46
Is that you know on our side, on our side are tolerant. For the Public Works engineering the tolerance is pretty low, the 00:05:51
threshold is pretty low. 00:05:55
However, for public safety requirements, it needs to ensure that we don't have that we don't 'cause that confusion. 00:06:00
Because they have to make sure that. 00:06:07
It's also part of like the. 00:06:09
The response times etc. It's like they they would when it comes to again, I want to speak for Brandon or the Sheriff's Office 00:06:11
specifically but. 00:06:15
My understanding on comes to response time is that. 00:06:20
Uh, they they take into consideration. 00:06:24
Worst case scenario, if they happen to go through wrong wrong St. 00:06:27
Because of a confusion like that, what would what would it take for them to? 00:06:31
We respond to the correct address if that, if that was the case. 00:06:35
As well I know other. 00:06:40
States, and I won't go too long in a story, but other states they leave the actual naming of the streets final approval. 00:06:43
With the shirt with the County Sheriff's Office. 00:06:49
So if if you have Broad Street here and let's just say on the hypothetical ARM has Broad St. 00:06:52
That's too close of the proximity they actually, they'll actually do not they'll actually deny. 00:06:58
Their naming of a street if it's too close to another. 00:07:03
Even even if it's a different jurisdiction because they look at response times and so forth. 00:07:07
So when it comes to public safety. 00:07:13
You know, there is a high threshold and I and I would personally agree without having done having served in public safety myself. 00:07:16
I don't think it's an issue. I yeah, yeah. So we just have that as a condition of approval that they'll continue to work with us 00:07:24
to figure out that I think that was the biggest street name issue was the Broad St. 00:07:30
What's the benefit of having? 00:07:38
It's just the one way that the North Street is a westbound and South streets in East just to the right of that flat square out. 00:07:41
Because I imagine the. 00:07:54
The numbers would just be staggered, so like. 00:07:55
Yeah. Typically, yeah, Typically you would have, yeah, this side of the street it would be. 00:08:00
And if you look at it as a. 00:08:07
5 foot median or a. 00:08:16
250 there's no. 00:08:19
Housing, so I would imagine on the. 00:08:22
Yeah. 00:08:25
Or how much would that work, whether they're even numbers and the ones on the north side. So it's almost viewing it as like that 00:08:30
center parcel doesn't exist. It's a medium like you said. And the odd numbers are on one side, yeah. 00:08:36
Yeah. I mean friend if you. I mean, I yeah, I understand that. But I mean and I don't want again I don't want to speak for 00:08:44
exactly. I want to speak for a fire department. But I mean having I I mean I've. 00:08:50
I found my Junior fire fireman's hat having two guns. Thank you. Appreciate that. 00:08:57
But also for the fact that and having done specifically emergency emergency response planning and things the way that and the way 00:09:04
that I understand it and the way that typically it goes is that when you're planning for this if for example if someone, if they 00:09:09
respond to the South side. 00:09:14
By accident and they're supposed to be the Northside. Are they able to reposition themselves by actually having to move on 00:09:20
residential streets? Actually that maybe what may be one way streets, but on residential streets where they have like a small 00:09:25
medium, they don't consider that to be an obstacle because they don't actually have to reposition their vehicles in order to make 00:09:30
the response on obviously on residential streets with no venues. 00:09:35
If they happen to be on the wrong side of the street, they disclose down the whole street, they can walk, They can literally walk 00:09:40
across this. 00:09:43
The thing to consider is on here. If they went to the wrong thing, wrong St. on the South side, would they, would they be able to 00:09:46
respond to the Northside would actually have to, well, actually had to reposition themselves, and in this case. 00:09:52
The answer I got from the Sheriff's Office with death would be a no. 00:09:58
On that, so there will be condition that those streets have to be distinctively named in order to. 00:10:02
Make sure that there is no confusion for public safety. At the end of the day, public safety is the number one priority for us. 00:10:09
The tolerance for engineering is like. 00:10:13
Whatever. And if he takes us an extra 20 minutes to respond. 00:10:18
That's no one's going to die. 00:10:22
They did. 00:10:25
Roadway on the Northside of. 00:10:33
So it's. It does have a little bit of a job, but it's. 00:10:40
I think maybe we need a different name. Besides that, I do see that Bronson did just join the call. I don't know Bronson, if you 00:10:48
can hear us or not. 00:10:52
We are talking about the naming of Broad Street right here. Umm. 00:10:57
Can you hear us? 00:11:03
By chance. OK, great. Yeah, we just wanted to have a conversation about Broad Street right here. Public Safety is concerned about 00:11:04
having both these streets being the same thing. On the previous plot that you guys submitted, it showed that this was going to be 00:11:10
called the like South Utah City Promenade in the North Utah City Promenade. Is that changing completely and you want to to go with 00:11:15
Broad St. 00:11:21
Well, it was both of those sections of three were. 00:11:29
Utah City Promenade, but we had a northern promenade that was in order for. 00:11:33
I don't think we have a North and a S Yes, Sir. You. Yeah. 00:11:37
Yes, you hadn't? No. 00:11:42
And just addressed it even in odd, it was North and South, yeah, the I think phase two or whatever, Plat said North and South 00:11:48
Promenade. 00:11:52
That I think that stays for the phase two slide I don't think has the promenade in it, right. It just shows outside of the 00:11:59
boundaries. It has those two streets just for reference. 00:12:04
Yeah, I think I thought Pam told us that we. 00:12:11
Didn't do a North and a South. 00:12:15
Is Brandon? Is Brandon there? I'm trying to see. Yeah, he is. 00:12:18
Yeah. 00:12:23
What is what's what's his thought? 00:12:23
So the main concern came from the Sheriff's Department. 00:12:28
I I can definitely understand their concern and why it's important to have two separate names there, just to to weed out that 00:12:33
confusion. 00:12:37
So yeah, so I think if in order to move forward, Bronson, if you would like, if you wish to choose to move forward with this, a 00:12:46
condition will be that the street names will have to be finalized and cleared up. 00:12:53
Before it can be recorded. 00:13:00
Yep, and I do have that as the very first recommendation. 00:13:03
For approval. 00:13:06
Yep. Yeah. So this would just be a recommendation that once we get that fixed, then we can get the Mylar shined and recorded at 00:13:08
the county. 00:13:11
The other issue I did notice he. 00:13:15
Here was on the. 00:13:18
You had sheet number one of two on this page. 00:13:20
And then sheet page one of two on this page. 00:13:24
Yeah, so just a simple correction there. 00:13:27
So that is it. 00:13:34
From the planning from Community development. 00:13:36
Are there any other comments from from anybody else on this? 00:13:39
All those others talk before I talk. So Eric? 00:13:46
Carson. 00:13:51
Brandon. 00:13:53
Maybe I was pricer. 00:13:54
Alright, so. 00:13:56
Staff reports outstanding fees. In addition to the to condition on this slide, I would like to add that a phasing diagram is being 00:14:00
it will be provided as well. 00:14:06
Prior to the prior to the recording of the plot, which should be. 00:14:12
We shouldn't hold up the recording the plot since the street names and other areas have to be fixed. 00:14:17
And also since Bronson is online, I would like to ask about. 00:14:25
Where about the private roads and PPU CS? 00:14:30
Umm, what's the finalization on moving forward with the determining on the public and private? 00:14:34
My understanding is even though that all these eighth streets are shown as private. 00:14:40
That those streets will be public. 00:14:44
And I have not. I have not been given any information personally in the engineering department or in engineering of other works 00:14:47
about. 00:14:51
What the status of this is because? 00:14:56
I know that that's going to require replathing everything. 00:15:00
Uh. 00:15:04
I don't know. Bronson, did you hear that question? 00:15:13
Oh, sorry. Can you repeat it so I'll so. 00:15:20
After I asked after I asked for the condition of having a phasing diagram provided. 00:15:24
Provided as a condition of recording the plot, but also. 00:15:30
I was asking about the status of the public private. 00:15:34
Roads and Pu. 00:15:37
For the public. 00:15:40
Sorry, I'm having a hard time hearing. Can you repeat? Yeah, so he's just wanting to know about the the streets, all the streets 00:15:50
here are labeled as private roads and Pu, he wants to know if that's going to remain or if it's going to be transferred to a 00:15:54
public Rd. 00:15:59
And and what your intentions are with that? 00:16:05
I from what I'm hearing, they will still be transferred to the public, but they're still. 00:16:08
Jamie is Jamie with you guys? Jamie Jamies not here. And last time I. 00:16:14
I think that sites all still being worked out, but that's my understanding that at least curb to curb would go to the city. 00:16:20
And I think they're negotiating the like backup curve to building. 00:16:28
Section of the right away. So my yeah. And regardless of that, right away to right away is RDA reimbursable? 00:16:33
It's just I don't know what will go public and what's going to stay private. 00:16:41
All right. So I would like to put a condition on this plot that the public private is made, made is to kind of determined this is 00:16:45
place. Last time I spoke to the state attorney about this. 00:16:50
There was number status update. 00:16:57
On that and then also the fact that. 00:16:59
I think this is putting a burden onto the city and in the residence. 00:17:02
As well in terms of being able to. 00:17:06
Plan forward as well and I'm not sure what your thoughts are, Eric. 00:17:10
Or I would simply just ask what the parameter of your suggestion would be time wise. 00:17:16
As as it pertains to the construction, do you want it? 00:17:22
A determination made prior to construction or. 00:17:25
What is your, I would say prior to the CEOs. 00:17:28
OK, how would you want me to word that? 00:17:32
Magically. 00:17:36
Have the private public Rd. configuration. 00:17:38
Or yeah, just say framework, at least a framework agreeable, something agreeable on that agreement. Agreement between the city and 00:17:41
the developer in terms of maybe between the. 00:17:47
Applicant. 00:17:54
I should be looking at my screen applicant and the city. Yeah. Are you OK with that? Yeah, I was. 00:17:57
Prior. Sorry, prior. 00:18:03
Part 2 Certificate of occupancy being issued Of occupancy is issued. 00:18:05
OK. Oh, time. 00:18:15
The other thing Bronson that Morgan did want me to bring up here on this plat is we do have Lot 10A on here, which he was thinking 00:18:19
is the lot that that will be going over to the becoming the city new City Hall. 00:18:25
And he wanted to know if this is going to change at all or if this is is right. 00:18:33
Yeah, that. 00:18:40
So my knowledge as correct. I think there was some design on the City Hall being in civic way. 00:18:42
Like inside that right away is that? 00:18:47
That will be public, but we have a bunch of utilities running through there, so we don't want the City Hall. 00:18:50
On top of the utilities. 00:18:57
They all actually sit in 10 minutes. 00:18:58
OK. 00:19:01
OK. 00:19:04
And we'll erase that. 00:19:06
I have a question about that. Yeah. Is there anything that would prevent it? 00:19:12
Bronson, is there anything that would prevent us from potentially? 00:19:16
I don't know if you would call it air rights, but having the ability to bridge over to that parking structure to the north. 00:19:21
On an on an upper floor that wouldn't impede traffic or pedestrian traffic on that. 00:19:29
Is it a road or is it a? 00:19:36
So if the law is on 10A then. 00:19:38
10 or lot 13 days just to the north and there's no Rd. Is there paseo between the two lots? I don't know if it's been. 00:19:42
Designed that far but. 00:19:50
Yeah, we haven't designed over there. I don't know if you guys have looked at design there, but. 00:19:53
It won't be. I don't think it will be. 00:19:59
Umm. And there's going to definitely have to be like some coordination when we start talking parking structures when we get to 00:20:03
that point. 00:20:07
We may want to look at. I don't know if 10A has some parking structure on it and then that parking structure continues up into 00:20:11
13/8. 00:20:16
So that's just. 00:20:21
Stuff we got to workout in the future. 00:20:22
Perfect. 00:20:24
All right. And then all the other condition I would like to put in it's minor technical stuff is just to ensure that all any kind 00:20:33
of technical. 00:20:37
Corrections on the. 00:20:42
On the plot, in terms of like curves and so forth, we since we're going through the name change or name designation. 00:20:45
As well that you know that those type of grammatical errors, I'll say small technical errors are just corrected. 00:20:54
Prior to recording, I think you have, I think already have that listed. Yeah, I was gonna say I think that is one of the OK. 00:21:04
Drag this over. Thanks, Ed. 00:21:10
Then that's that's a typical correction that's usually made as an as a kind of staff administrative change anyway. So Yep. 00:21:13
So it would be these recommendations over here as well as well I think. 00:21:23
The only additional one. 00:21:28
Probably thing probably a good thing to do is like when you put fix the page numbers. I say you could just say fix page numbers 00:21:33
and other. 00:21:37
Other grammar call slash technical. 00:21:42
Eris, yeah, we could, I could change that is it? Yeah. That's like I have a catch all this like said. 00:21:45
Not again. This before the DRC was formed, would formally do the plots. That was something that staff would just handle with the 00:21:52
developers anyway. 00:21:56
So, any grammatical and technical technical. 00:22:01
Is technical too broad. 00:22:05
Probably is too broad. 00:22:08
I mean, we do have that they they meet all the county requirements and that they make any red line corrections. That's good. Yeah, 00:22:10
red line corrections. OK, then we'll leave it just, yeah. I mean, I think we caught a couple like numbers that were just off just 00:22:15
by by tad, nothing big. 00:22:20
Yeah. And that once again we can include in the, they have to fix all the addressing errors as well. Yeah, those are those, I mean 00:22:26
I said those things just for mainly for brands understandings. Those are things that we would typically work with. 00:22:31
Developer slash engineer right on the side, even after it's been approved by City Council before the recording of the plot. 00:22:38
Just as a staff level. 00:22:46
So I'm not sure how detailed we have to go with these things right now. Great. 00:22:48
We should begin with these. 00:22:54
Recommendations. OK, is this a vote by person or is this a roll call? Roll call, vote. We probably need a motion. I can make a 00:22:58
motion. Yeah, motion has to be made. 00:23:01
Yep, I move to approve the Utah City Phase three final plat with the conditions as presented here. 00:23:06
Do you want me to read the conditions? 00:23:11
You shouldn't need to, I can include them in the minutes. 00:23:15
2nd. That. 00:23:17
Cool. All right, Roll call vote. 00:23:19
How did I do that? 00:23:22
I. 00:23:26
Hi. 00:23:30
OK. Thank you. 00:23:34
I'm going to. 00:23:38
This, this goes to the City Council next or no? So our new Paul, our new policies that will just go through DRC and then once we 00:23:45
make these these corrections, we can get assigned by the Mylar sign. 00:23:50
Yep, Yep. No longer goes to City Council. Exactly. So, branches, for your information, you get to listen to my voice for. 00:23:56
To go on and on and on. 00:24:03
Maybe a little too long. Bueller. Bueller. Bueller. 00:24:06
Yeah. 00:24:10
You got that right. 00:24:12
Caches and understand that Ferris Bueller's Day Off, I guess. Oh, smack. 00:24:14
I think that's post 2000. That's definitely way post 2000, is it not? 00:24:19
Oh no, that's pretty 2000. Yeah, yeah, that's 90s, man. 00:24:24
You caught me. 00:24:27
Doesn't mean I like it, but. 00:24:29
Are we doing Orchids 7 and eight now? Yep. So Orchard 7-8 is going to be the next item on here. 00:24:33
We have final class, but thank everybody. Thanks, Bronson. 00:24:40
Thank you. 00:24:47
Yeah, yeah. 00:24:49
OK. And I don't believe that Karen is here with AIM Tech. 00:24:55
Mike Olsens company representing this. I'll run through this plot. So this is the the property shown here. It's just on the South 00:25:01
side of the Center Street bridge. It's where the development agreement was just approved for the live work units. 00:25:08
So this is a plot to record those those properties. 00:25:16
It's approximately 2 acres of land. It's going to hold 81 unique lots and three partials. It allow for phases 7 and eight of the 00:25:20
Orchard development. We reviewed it. There's no. 00:25:26
Large issues with this plat. 00:25:32
We do have some concerns on the plat on the parking on New Vineyard Rd. 00:25:36
They just have like these partials laid out and they appear to be going the wrong direction. If it's going to be normal angled 00:25:41
parking like this angle right here is incorrect. 00:25:47
So we do have a request that they work with staff on fixing that issue. So I'm sorry, that's shown as reverse. 00:25:52
Correct. And it shouldn't be. It's. It's supposed to be normal. 00:26:00
Pulling angle, not reverse angle. 00:26:03
Yeah, I know there's a lot of back and forth on that in terms of like. 00:26:06
I'm trying to make. I'm trying to figure out what was the termination. I think the development agreement stated it would be 00:26:10
normal. I think there were concerns about the safety of reverse angle. 00:26:15
And so they changed it. But once again it's a condition that we can re examine the development agreement and if it does state 00:26:22
that. But as you can see like this angle right here was a concern, the developer is concerned or was it it was City Council. 00:26:29
OK. Yeah. 00:26:37
So, but regardless, all of these parkings have just these. 00:26:39
Weird angles that it looks like it could work for. Yeah. So we just want them to acknowledge that and work with work with us on 00:26:43
that. And then the other condition that we did want to add is that they do add an easement along the east side that they said they 00:26:49
were working with us on to. There's there's a trail right here and some parking, and we want to make sure that we have some public 00:26:56
access to that. 00:27:02
So I believe those are all the comments. I can go over the plot real quick so it does have all of these. 00:27:11
Townhome buildings, they will be the live work units where the ground floor will be like a retail space. So it could be something 00:27:18
like a Barber shop or a tax office something like that. It does have the future potential to have like a Co working space right 00:27:24
here. This building, building E it is not going through the site plan process right now. 00:27:30
But once again, it'll be used by this community. We run by the HOA in a way that if somebody has a business there and they need 00:27:37
like a larger conference room, they'd be able to have that there. So kind of a different take on an HOA clubhouse. 00:27:44
And then over on the east side. 00:27:52
We do have, like I said, there's some parking with that trail and then there will be. 00:27:54
Some space for some community gardens as well. 00:28:00
And then and a lot of this will come through with the site plan in the coming weeks. I think we're actually going to do the work 00:28:04
session here in a minute on it, so we don't have to get too in the details on the site plan itself. 00:28:09
But that should I have a question, Yeah. 00:28:16
So parcels AB and C that just seems to be a hash mark. 00:28:21
Denoting that it's separate property based off of the legend. I don't think that's denoting that it's a parking. 00:28:27
Or that that parking is facing One Direction or not the building B. 00:28:33
No parcel? Oh, oh, partially. 00:28:38
That's just hash marks to denote that they're separate properties. 00:28:42
Right. 00:28:45
You'll see that it's just they're just hash marks, right? Right. But even then, the like angles would be off for the parking 00:28:54
regardless. 00:28:58
It just, I think I was talking to Patrick about this a few days ago. Was it you that I was? 00:29:04
That they just looked. 00:29:11
For what they're planning on doing according to the site plan, I can show you the site plan. Well, I think what Patricia was 00:29:13
saying is that the lines are not actually showing the parking stalls, right? Yeah. No, no, I yeah, yeah, I I totally acknowledge 00:29:19
that. But as you can see here on their site plan, you have this angle going up to the left, this angle going up to the left. 00:29:26
And then over here on the plat. 00:29:33
You have the angle going to the left and then over here an angle going to the right that might not. 00:29:36
Fit this parking like it would cut right here. 00:29:42
So we just want to make sure that that parking is within that partial. 00:29:47
If that makes any sense. 00:29:53
Yeah. So that the site plan doesn't, they're not overlapping the parking, correct? 00:29:56
Correct. Yep. 00:30:02
Any questions I can try to answer? Like I said, I know the applicant isn't here so it's hard to. 00:30:09
For me to answer everything but I can. I have questions but I'll let the others ask first. 00:30:14
Well I guess my question on this is looking at this and. 00:30:23
Was when during the review. I apologize if I didn't provide my comments today, but the area on the first sheet, this is to be 00:30:27
acquired that's grayed out. 00:30:32
So then 10s is to actually record this plot itself. 00:30:38
The county provides feedback on if that would be allowed, on which part if you should. If you go to this this particular page to 00:30:42
the upper right of the lot, there we go, where it has all the grayed out of the area where the notes is to be acquired. 00:30:50
I'm not sure if that's legally allowed. OK, I can, I can have them clarify that, Yeah. So they would have. What they would have to 00:31:00
do is they would have to show the actual. 00:31:04
Parcels itself broken out. 00:31:09
If that's owned by, again that's owned by the state to be acquired. 00:31:11
There may that may have to be done before a condition that that's done before the. I do believe the the kind of the, the story 00:31:15
about that partial is I think the city owes them that land. Exactly. And so yeah they're waiting on a document from us. Yeah. So I 00:31:21
think I mean and I totally understand that. I totally understand that that's going to be a. 00:31:27
That's good. That's going to be turned over. 00:31:34
I don't think that the cash officially record the plot like that. 00:31:37
Because I think what the county will do is they'll take a look, see what the parcels are. 00:31:41
And the plot that's being provided does not outline, does not show out the parcels, there's not documents showing that there was a 00:31:45
like quick claim deed provided. 00:31:49
Sure. Then I believe the county will deny it. 00:31:53
I mean, we could take it as soon as this afternoon if it gets approved, but we can wait just depending on. 00:31:59
Signed and ready for room. 00:32:09
Yeah. OK. Yeah. So we can put that as a condition of approval, I think. Yeah, I think with the condition, the condition approvals 00:32:13
that this plot won't be recorded without the accompanying document for the. 00:32:19
For that so because if I'm not mistaken, the county will probably just, I believe the county accept both documents. 00:32:26
Claim deed, right? Yeah. So what has to happen is that the quick claim deed document has to be provided to the county first. 00:32:32
So that so that recording number is smaller than the recording number of the file. 00:32:40
So it shows. So in the records it shows the order of the recorder. 00:32:45
So then we have the same issue. They have the development agreement that was approved, but that hasn't been recorded either. So 00:32:52
that's another condition that we have is approval. We need to get that. Yeah, that's that's just the technicality stuff. You can't 00:32:57
record the plat without the Quick landing having been in the system first, yeah. 00:33:01
And then I don't believe that having. 00:33:07
The word to be acquired should happen with them change. 00:33:09
OK. 00:33:23
Yeah, Yeah. So that that's the I have the quick claim deed is recorded prior to recordation. 00:33:26
Yep. 00:33:33
Did we get the comments to change Town of Vineyard to Vineyard City? 00:33:41
On the plot throughout I can do that. 00:33:46
Yeah, I'm OK going to change it back to the town. Can we make that motion? 00:33:48
Now. 00:33:53
Yeah, so, yeah, yeah, I mean. 00:33:59
It's kind of like the contentionality there's, I mean there's some parcels that still show Town of Vineyards. So if you're trying 00:34:02
to like be technical, if the part of the of the county records show Town of Vineyards, they would probably still use Town of 00:34:06
Vineyards, however. 00:34:11
Other areas of the plot on this plot is for example, larger energies is as approved and required by Town of Vineyards. 00:34:16
Vineyard versus. 00:34:24
Yeah, it has to be Finger City. 00:34:26
So yeah, where does it say that on here if you go under a lot of drainage on the bottom? 00:34:28
Right below. 00:34:33
Oh, down here, right next to acceptance of Leslie Bonnie. 00:34:35
Oh yeah, Town of Vineyard and like everywhere else, you know, I mean, if if it says Town of Vineyard because that's what's 00:34:39
referenced as a parcel legally on this on the county map, that would be acceptable because what they're just doing is just 00:34:43
referencing another legal. 00:34:48
Designation. 00:34:54
I mean obviously, hopefully that we get all those things changed with the county in the future. 00:34:55
At least in every other reference. 00:35:00
Where they just say designated that the Vineyard City. 00:35:02
Staff will do XYZ and just make sure it says when you're sitting. 00:35:08
OK. I did have a question on this. It sounds like it's going to be residential over commercial. Yeah, mixed-use. And so I mean my 00:35:15
concerns are always the same concerns which is access for the fire department and mess to get in and if. 00:35:24
With it being commercial on the bottom. 00:35:34
They're gonna have FTC's and risers and that kind of stuff. And on this, on the plat map that I've been given, there's no hydrant 00:35:36
locations. 00:35:40
Umm, yeah, Any real access you know determining how to get to? 00:35:45
Buildings. 00:35:51
DG and I. 00:35:56
And N. 00:35:58
Just the length they are from. 00:36:01
Erode just making sure that they meet the requirements. 00:36:03
OK, yeah, I can have them clarify the the road structure in this plat. If we do look at the site plan, you know there is the three 00:36:07
different access points in there, but the plot does not show that. So I can have them and I haven't seen. 00:36:13
I haven't seen that version. Yeah. Yeah. So and we're going to be going over this. This is the site plan. We're going to be doing 00:36:21
that as a work session today. To kind of get more into the details, I mean, we can have a brief work session. Since they're not 00:36:27
here, it might not be too beneficial. So what they would have to show on the path is the private roads as well, like so for 00:36:32
example, she'd one where it just shows like the public, the public growth and then has the lines as a name. 00:36:38
Kind of showing like. 00:36:45
In between the buildings, the three buildings. 00:36:47
They would show like private grow there. 00:36:49
Let me just double check that they have not uploaded. If they all have private road, at the very least they should have a easement 00:36:52
for fire. Excuse me, Emergency emergency, emergency access, easement. 00:36:58
Because what I'll do is I'll prevent any kind of blockage of that area. 00:37:04
So they won't be able to put like barricades. 00:37:08
Or anything that like that I would block emergency vehicles. 00:37:12
Yeah, that is the the latest plot that I'm seeing on their permit, Yeah. So they would just need to show private road or and then 00:37:20
they would also or if not at the very least emergency access easements. 00:37:26
Designated so this way the fire department doesn't have to worry that there's a concrete barrier being placed there. 00:37:33
OK, so include. 00:37:39
Road naming and diagram. 00:37:42
Internal roads. 00:37:44
Include internal. Does that help you? Rd. 00:37:46
It does. One of the concerns is just that. 00:37:50
On another project we ran into the where we. 00:37:54
There was an approval on the initial plat and then when it came time for the deferred submittal of the sprinkler system. 00:37:58
The hydrants have been placed in the location that it wasn't conducive with their FTC locations and so I'm just trying to, would 00:38:06
you want to see the fire hydrant location on the plat? 00:38:10
I don't even know if. 00:38:16
A lot of it determined is determined by the Architect. Wherever they place the FCC that would determine where they're, you know, 00:38:21
it's kind of that initial planning process that's normally taken care of by the Architect. It's just. 00:38:27
How to get them on the same page so that they're thinking about it now so it doesn't come up later as a? 00:38:33
Caught off guard Kind of a thing or extra. 00:38:39
You know, just the customer service aspect so they're not caught off guard. So probably put a condition that the interior private 00:38:43
rows are conditioned on fire departments final approval. 00:38:47
This way like because I think the the main road like New Vineyard Rd. 00:38:54
On the outside, this goes. 00:38:58
Won't change, but maybe then to your interior. 00:39:00
Road access and maybe the site plan may change just to calm this far. 00:39:04
Yeah, and you might even just put Joe Fire department access and. 00:39:09
Determine FTC location. 00:39:17
Near hydrant locations, you know what I mean? Like that. 00:39:21
Requirement of 100 feet location something so that they. 00:39:25
I could include something like that. They have to determine the hydrant locations prior to the site plan approval and that way 00:39:31
they have to have a conversation with you first. Yeah, that would be that would be great. OK. 00:39:36
We're more than happy to help him in whichever way we can. 00:39:42
Yeah. 00:39:48
Prior to. 00:39:52
Approval. 00:39:53
Options per orum fire. 00:39:56
OK. 00:40:09
Any other comments or anything? 00:40:13
The parcel I mean, excuse me that this plot doesn't show like whether it's going to be reverse angled or front angled so. 00:40:22
I think that's just, that's just that would be on the side plan, right. Yeah. So that's like yes, I don't think we need to make a 00:40:27
condition on this one. 00:40:31
So and like I said it's just to make sure that those. 00:40:34
Parking lots don't overlap. 00:40:37
That's fine. I'm good with that, Yeah. 00:40:39
So let me check to make sure. 00:40:49
To be, I think that's. 00:40:51
The no. OK, I think that's everything. Sorry. I started thinking site plan stuff again. 00:40:55
OK, I'm good with it. I don't have any other comments. 00:41:01
So. 00:41:08
Bryce, do you have anything, Sir? All right, so. 00:41:12
Are we ready for a motion cash you think? 00:41:16
Let me just figure out this last. 00:41:20
With. 00:41:23
Oh, I yeah, I did have one other question. Sorry. Now it's remembered. So the parking stalls, are those in the private right away 00:41:28
or public right away? They don't show. 00:41:32
And date and when I looked at their notes there was number designation. 00:41:37
Is parcel. 00:41:40
BC is. 00:41:43
Is owned and maintained by. 00:41:45
I do believe that they are private. 00:41:48
Do you have you seen anything in the site plan Anthony? 00:41:50
The one on the East Brainyard Rd. 00:42:00
East Vineyard growth. Yeah. Where's east? 00:42:02
Yeah, if it's public part, if it's considered public parking, like is it owned by the Vineyard City or is it owned by the by the 00:42:16
developer or the HOA and. 00:42:20
I can have them include like a maintenance or ownership document for partials ABC yeah. So yeah, I would. Typically they can add 00:42:26
another table. So when they do parcels, when they're designating A parcel A parcel B, parcel C, then there there should be a 00:42:32
company table to say parcel A. 00:42:38
And then the description parcel a. 00:42:45
Parking stalls and then. 00:42:48
Owned owned by. It could be owned by HOA, owned by city and maintained. So sometimes there's like a ownership and slash 00:42:52
maintenance, like for example you're a landscaping maintenance. 00:42:57
Or, excuse me, you're on your exterior of your. 00:43:03
On the exterior of the. 00:43:07
Like the walls here, exterior boundary walls could be, it may say like owned by city, maintained landscaping maintained by HOA. 00:43:10
And then this way it kind of enters into like a little agreement, OK, it may be in the development agreement, but at least no one 00:43:20
ever reads development agreements after record this. So this is like an easy punch in your face. 00:43:25
Yeah. So I have include ownership and maintenance information of parcels AB and C on the plat. Thank you. 00:43:31
That was everything OK. 00:43:38
So let's make a motion to approve with conditions. I also just realized I don't believe that we allow proxy voting. So Carson, oh, 00:43:39
he doesn't. I don't think the bylaws allow it. Well, we haven't done bylaws yet so maybe we'll have to. Well, yeah, the current 00:43:45
code doesn't. We make a motion to a motion that we allow proxy building for this particular. We're gonna maybe discuss bylaws and 00:43:51
if cannot, motion to make, That's right now. 00:43:57
I don't make serious, OK, I motion to allow proxy building. 00:44:05
As part of as a condition of the of this particular DRC until until the bylaws are established. 00:44:08
I we don't have Jamie here to tell me if that's illegal. 00:44:17
We don't need the proxy voting. We don't. We have, we have people, we have sitting members. We have a second to the proxy 00:44:22
building. 00:44:25
Bryce is not a sitting member, he's filling in for Tay, so there we go. So. 00:44:30
Isn't it? Wouldn't you mean? 00:44:35
Oh my Lord. 00:44:38
That's a good call. Let me. 00:44:39
Pull up these. 00:44:45
I say we approve a temporary allowance of I mean. 00:44:49
I'm fine with that. 00:44:55
So I might not, but. 00:44:57
If that's the case, then I motion to be adjourned and go home. 00:45:01
Let me see what was written. It's been a while since I've looked at this. 00:45:06
I thought that it said somebody could ask him to sit in there instead. So. 00:45:19
It doesn't say anything about that, just as their designee. 00:45:38
That's it, says them or their designee. Yeah. 00:45:41
So we're good? Yeah, he's good. Yeah. I think. I think we're okay. 00:45:44
Does it say that for all of them or I know I said it for the planning one? 00:45:51
So it says the DRC consists of seven members, the chair and the Planning Commission or the chair of the Planning Commission, the 00:45:55
city manager, the fire Marshall or designee, and the heads of departments of building, community development, engineering and 00:45:59
Parks and Rec, or their designee. 00:46:03
So maybe just not Planning Commission gets a designation? Not yet in the new bylaws, it said that they do, but. 00:46:08
Does everybody interpret that? 00:46:15
Right the same way. 00:46:17
Yes. OK, so you do get a vote. So that being said, with my since I was the one that made the motion, we should probably, yeah, we 00:46:19
should redo the motion for the Utah city. I'm good with not doing that. I understand you're good, but we gotta cross our T's and 00:46:25
dot our IS. 00:46:31
I'm emotionally if you want to bring up the conditions again, it make it easy for someone to make a motion. 00:46:39
Let me pull that up. Sorry about this. We're still trying to figure out the whole new DRC. 00:46:48
You know. 00:46:53
OK. 00:46:56
Patty, I don't know if you heard that, but I believe you do get a vote because of your Chris's designee. 00:46:59
I can make a. 00:47:04
An updated motion on Utah City Phase three. 00:47:07
So I move to approve Utah City Phase Three final plat with conditions as presented. 00:47:12
I'll second the motion. 00:47:20
We have a second on that motion. So roll call vote. So we'll call vote to Eric, Aye Carson myself. 00:47:23
I and Patty Petrajo. 00:47:30
Maybe she's not on the call. 00:47:37
There she is. 00:47:42
We can say absent on this. 00:47:43
If we're not getting feedback from her. 00:47:45
That's still 4 votes, so we're OK to continue. All right. So motion. So the motion is passed. 00:47:49
Now we could move on to Orchard 7:00 and 8:00. 00:47:56
So we're good. 00:48:00
Parking partials along New Vineyard Rd. are configured with the approval of the Community Development Director and include 00:48:35
ownership and maintenance information of partials AB and C on the plat. 00:48:40
I move to approve the orchards at Vineyard, Phase seven and Sub. 00:48:49
Subdivision final plat with the condition. 00:48:54
It has. Oh, sorry. Seven and eight subdivisions, Plat. 00:48:58
Final plat with the conditions as presented. 00:49:02
2nd So we have a motion with a second, so we'll call the correct cache. Recall the errors are. 00:49:07
Carson I. Myself I. 00:49:15
Patricia. 00:49:20
Patricia, are you still here enough by chance? 00:49:23
Kinsley, can you hear us? 00:49:27
I can hear you. I don't know if she stepped out. She might have gotten a phone call or something. Well, that makes that makes 00:49:30
Kinsley the. 00:49:33
Next as a knee. Then for this, Patricia did message me saying she was the designee. OK, yeah, that's what I understood. She asked 00:49:37
if, when Chris told us that he wasn't feeling well, she. 00:49:44
Asked if he wanted, he wanted her to go. That's fine. We can list it as absent. OK, sorry. 00:49:51
All right. So that passed and so we proved and move on to the next one. So yeah, when we can make this one fairly quick, we'll 00:49:59
we'll turn it over to Anthony. Do you have the click share by chance or I can pull up the site plan if that's easiest. 00:50:05
OK, let me. 00:50:12
That is for the final plant. 00:50:20
OK, is there a certain page you want to? 00:50:23
Umm. 00:50:27
And really, if since the applicant isn't here, it might be easiest to just do a brief review of this. 00:50:32
Just to let you all know kind of what, what's coming down the pipeline on this site plan? 00:50:38
But it's really beneficial they were here so they can hear these comments and can. 00:50:43
You can just use my computer. 00:50:49
In the second drawer down. 00:50:58
Yeah, so it'll be easier. 00:51:01
Thank you. 00:51:31
All right, so here are a few comments that. 00:51:37
Was shared with the. 00:51:42
With the developer, with the applicant, and it's pretty much very basic because they're not here. I'm not going to go into like 00:51:44
stepwise things, just a few things that call out. 00:51:49
That I'd like to call out. 00:51:55
Was that we the development agreement required that they? 00:51:57
Prepare a transportation circulation plan which was delivered was literally submitted to us yesterday, So that is. 00:52:01
Something that would have to be reviewed by us. 00:52:09
Umm to see if it meets whatever needs that. 00:52:13
Whatever requirements that supposed to meet. 00:52:16
There were a few missing sidewalks and cross. 00:52:22
Works on the plan. 00:52:26
And I can show you that right now. 00:52:29
So on this side it was like, you know, you can't really tell because if this is going to be a dog park. 00:52:31
There's nothing here showing that connection. 00:52:36
There are no crosswalks. 00:52:40
Around these areas as well, linking the sidewalks. 00:52:42
Umm, you know? And it's pretty much through the entire site, no crosswalks indicated. 00:52:47
On all these areas. 00:53:00
Also um. 00:53:02
This was not fully indicated in the plans if it was going to be a structure or just parking stalls, so we were not sure what 00:53:06
that's going to be. 00:53:11
From the plan. So we need them to at least clarify that as well. This is not included, it's not part of the site plan approval. 00:53:16
It's being considered for the future. 00:53:20
However, I have a concern about parking for that in the future. If they decide to move forward, what are the plans to move to, you 00:53:25
know? 00:53:30
To contain parking for a two-story. 00:53:35
Building office building. 00:53:38
Currently there are no issues with the parking. 00:53:42
However, there's a recommendation to. 00:53:45
Break up this long number of parking stalls. 00:53:48
With a landscaping island somewhere in there. 00:53:52
We can probably reduce some of this and Justice split it up a little bit to make, you know, make it. 00:53:58
Not look like a giant sea of parking. 00:54:04
And on this side as well, does that, does that. 00:54:08
Consideration to possibly because looking at how the plant again would have to go through that circulation plan that they shared 00:54:14
with us. 00:54:17
But based on the plan review, the site plan review, we're thinking. 00:54:22
They could even block out this entrance. 00:54:27
Because it does not even line up with this one, right? And. 00:54:32
Looking at the code reference, there's a code reference that. 00:54:37
It says it's right here. 00:54:42
1538. 00:54:53
.30 point one. 00:54:55
Oix. 00:54:59
And that pretty much. 00:55:01
Talks about the fact that when developing or when planning out these sites. 00:55:04
You'd have to consider adjacent. 00:55:09
Entrances to other sites as well. 00:55:12
Or surrounding sites to make sure that at least it's you know there's a free flow, like it is in this case where there's going to 00:55:15
be a good intersection. 00:55:19
I did have you know? 00:55:24
Interaction with engineering they have no issue with. 00:55:26
This being a hazard because this road is supposed to be 25 miles per per hour, so it's supposed to be slow. 00:55:30
However, it will do us some good if this is blocked off. 00:55:37
To meet that condition in the code. 00:55:43
And that would also add on to parking and so far it doesn't look like it's going to affect. 00:55:45
The movement through the site. 00:55:52
Is actually going to. 00:55:54
Make it safer for pedestrians. 00:55:56
If that is considered. 00:55:58
Sure if you don't mind me or injecting but blocking that off maybe because make MP on the fire safety. 00:56:03
Entrance on that. 00:56:10
OK, so because again, that totally provides. 00:56:12
Yeah, they need 2 accesses. 00:56:19
In and out. 00:56:21
So I don't, I don't know if that would be allowed. 00:56:22
Doesn't there's an axis here as well? 00:56:26
Where is that so? 00:56:30
Oh, I see that. I see that, that one. 00:56:32
And two, so that satisfies the two axis. But here I mean it's going to work. 00:56:35
OK. 00:56:46
OK. He just stated that there would be a, there might be some other criteria that the technical criteria to meet so. 00:56:49
OK. So would you want me to get in touch with you later on just to get those information like the criteria that needs to be met? 00:56:56
Yeah. We could probably discuss that later, yeah. 00:57:07
And again, if the DRC is not in favor of this being blocked out, that should work as well. But it's a comment that's worth I put 00:57:11
it in there as something that's worth considering. 00:57:15
Because it would add on to the parking that could help with the future plan of this, you know, two-story office building if they 00:57:21
decide to move forward with it. 00:57:25
Umm, generally, they're just a few. 00:57:32
Other things, this is a spot that could also, you know, have maybe 1 or 288 parking stalls. 00:57:34
In there. 00:57:40
Without an issue. 00:57:44
Going back to my comments. 00:57:46
There's no lighting provided. We need a photometric plan for the entire development. There's nothing provided, so we can't tell if 00:57:50
the parking areas have been well, you know, planned to be well lit or not, and the entire site in general. 00:57:58
Umm, a few comments here for the elevations. 00:58:07
You know, we need them to. 00:58:11
Pretty much provide that material specification document that has been referenced in the. 00:58:13
The site plan that they. 00:58:19
Provided there was also no information showing anything on bike parking. 00:58:21
On the site plan. 00:58:28
So I've put that in the comment to be. 00:58:29
Provided as well and you know bike bike racks should be provided looking at this magnitude of this. 00:58:33
Development the bike are actually provided. 00:58:41
At least 50 feet. 00:58:44
From each of these buildings, so we're looking at having at least. 00:58:46
4 park installed bike parking racks. 00:58:51
Throughout the development. 00:58:55
4 racks that have up to about three of them. 00:58:58
That take about 3 bikes. 00:59:03
So these are the main comments. 00:59:05
They've been shared with the. 00:59:08
Applicant and we're hoping to hear back from them. 00:59:10
And we can probably revisit this if they're able to. 00:59:13
Respond to these comments with no issues. 00:59:17
Cool. 00:59:21
And also I just wanted to touch on the Angot parking we're talking about earlier in the plat. 00:59:24
This just shows angled forward parking. 00:59:29
It does not show the. 00:59:33
The reversed 1 so. 00:59:35
We might want to. I don't know if it's too late to change or. 00:59:37
Amend that motion, but I was just per condition on that. 00:59:42
I mean this is we're not making any motions, right? Yes. No motion. OK, say I just, I was just say this work with a developer 00:59:47
because uh. 00:59:50
I know there was some back and forth and on that. 00:59:55
Salt Lake City has a reverse angled UH. 00:59:59
I can dig up a contact to Salt Lake City on that's for you. And you could just you could talk to one of their planners directly. 01:00:02
Again. 01:00:12
Was the traffic study that they did that that Hale's engineering called Ford, Ford and England parking that that the developer 01:00:14
here then? Yeah, yeah, that's fine. So yeah, going forward it will be this forward angled parking. Okay. Well, since we have a lot 01:00:20
of other things to go around just I just suggest contacting with those Mississippi Valleys. I mean, it might be the worst thing 01:00:26
since apple pie. 01:00:32
Or becon π. Actually, I don't know how people get pecan pies. 01:00:39
But. 01:00:44
And if it doesn't work, it doesn't work. Whatever. 01:00:47
All right, cool. I got nothing. Anyone got questions? Eric, Sir. 01:00:48
A couple of just quick comments. The pathway seems like it's ending on the West side there. 01:00:52
Is on the Northwest side the. 01:01:02
Trail. 01:01:05
Seems like it's kind of justice ending right there. Is there a reason that that's ending and not continuing all the way out to? 01:01:07
I probably didn't mention that in my comments, but because of that, because this is Central Center Street, so because we have the 01:01:15
trail on the other side of the Center Street road on the north side, it would have to be an intersection that crosses Center St. 01:01:23
Right there. I mean across. 01:01:30
You know, OK, I just want to see that some kind of connection there. So it's not just a dead end. Yeah, it's part of the comments 01:01:33
that I'm sending over. And then the other thing with the Planning Commission with all of this parking on Vineyard Rd. 01:01:40
We wanted to see some kind of landscaping. 01:01:47
Between the parking and. 01:01:50
The parcels, because they're tearing out a bunch of trees. 01:01:52
Pretty well established, so we want to see something that's. 01:01:56
Well established. 01:01:59
Yeah. Thank you. 01:02:01
Comments. We did request that they provide some more information about their landscaping, which included, you know, the size, 01:02:04
trees and. 01:02:08
Also breaking up the parking with some of these things, yeah. And this kind of talking about sidewalks, the sidewalks that go into 01:02:12
the neighborhood, like for example. 01:02:16
When it turns off the new Vineyard Rd. into the thing, into their neighborhood, that kind of just stops. 01:02:21
Kind of forcing people onto the streets. 01:02:28
That they're walking. So take a look at that and then you know, I know Patrick will. 01:02:31
Hate me for asking about this, but maybe some bulb outs, especially where the intersections are for the park. 01:02:36
Don't give you that look, Patrick. 01:02:44
I know. 01:02:46
Some area, some bull bouts. 01:02:49
For I know. I'm sorry, Patrick, I disappointed you today. 01:02:51
That's all I've got. 01:02:58
OK. All right. 01:03:00
If we want, we can briefly talk about the the bylaws. I think would be more beneficial if we did have Morgan and Chris here. Yeah, 01:03:02
they're the sitting members. I was gonna suggest that we do the bylaws when everyone's here. Yeah, I I did have one thing I just 01:03:08
wanted to throw out there and I think I mean it just brought up me today that we include some sort of bylaws in the code that we 01:03:13
will only hear an item at DRC if the applicant is present. 01:03:18
It just improves efficiency for us rather than us having to, you know, send them all of our notes and then have that back and 01:03:25
forth. Having them actually here to have that conversation I think is is vital to to having a good project physically present or 01:03:29
virtually. 01:03:34
What's that? Physically present, virtually present or either I don't care so much, but I mean I prefer in person but virtually. 01:03:39
Can can we put in the bylaws so that we can do this as a virtual meeting as well? 01:03:44
If COVID 2025 happens, then yes. 01:03:52
So just to clarify, are you saying that we should include in the bylaws that we will not discuss an iron if? 01:03:57
If the applicant is not present, then we will not discuss an issue. 01:04:06
So I just wanted to throw that out there before we. 01:04:10
Adjourn. 01:04:12
So I will add on, I'll add that to the draft and I also have a concern here. It's well, it's a suggestion. 01:04:16
Do you think it'll be a good it'll be good to make a case on? 01:04:23
Allowing Planning Commission's designee to vote because. 01:04:28
You know, considering the composition of the Planning Commission, it's a voluntary. 01:04:32
You know Commission where you have members not going to be always available. 01:04:38
To be here, especially the chair of the Commission. So if the vice chair is available, we should amend that code to be able to 01:04:42
allow for that. Since everyone else is, I would agree, so there's no discrimination. 01:04:49
Right, Bryce. 01:04:57
I'll probably be the one that's hit most of these meetings, yes. 01:05:01
We'll probably have that. 01:05:05
Part of a thing that needs to be amended in the code. 01:05:08
Can. Could we? 01:05:11
Maybe just add the clarification that whoever that designee is, they are also on the Planning Commission. 01:05:13
Yes, good call. 01:05:19
So it has been. 01:05:21
What the the amendment I'm requesting for? 01:05:23
Actually in the bylaws that I have here right now. 01:05:27
For its membership. 01:05:31
So when you look at the membership we have. 01:05:33
Chair of Planning Commission or designee. 01:05:37
City manager. 01:05:40
Unfortunately, you don't. You don't have a designee, but. 01:05:41
Everyone else does. 01:05:46
But yeah, we can go further into discussion on these bylaws when we get the the full team. Yeah, everybody here. 01:05:51
Cool. So that's that's all that we have on the agenda? 01:05:59
Appreciate your all the work you guys do. Sorry, we'll hopefully get a little bit you know. 01:06:03
Working a lot smoother in the coming weeks as we figure out this whole software. 01:06:08
And everything cool? All right. Well, is there a motion to? 01:06:13
Get out here. 01:06:17
Motion to adjourn. Oh God first. 01:06:19
Give me a second. Second. Yeah. OK, we got for 1st and 2nd. Do we need recall this or can we get. No, I don't even think you need 01:06:22
a motion. All right, so we're all done. 01:06:28
Boom, boom, boom. See you guys later. Thanks for joining online. 01:06:34
Yep. 01:06:49
Anthony is going to know about. 01:06:51
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We'll open this up. 00:00:00
OK, the same. We can get started if you want. We do not have the guys from like Bronson on teams yet. 00:00:45
We wanted to we could go with the orchards, rearrange and do the orchards. 00:00:54
Final plat first if you want. 00:00:59
I'll leave it up to you. 00:01:02
Try to do an official call for motions, that would be great. You don't have to do a motion, just. 00:01:08
Call to order. I call to order. 00:01:13
The March 21st, 2024 Development Review Committee meeting. 00:01:18
No Gavel for you. Sorry. Sorry so. 00:01:25
All right. With that being said and in regards to the agenda item, Brant, are you, you're here for representing the, the downtown 00:01:30
development, is that correct? You are Okay? 00:01:36
I see no reason to change the order of the agenda, so that's fine. Let's proceed as agenda shows. 00:01:45
I'll just double check. Yeah, they are still not online. But yeah, we can get started with the Utah City phase three subdivision 00:01:52
final plat. I do apologize to everybody. 00:01:56
The still learning the software and my staff reports we're not getting uploaded to the agenda. 00:02:01
I did make one in my defense, and I sent it out in the invite. We'll try to get that figured out before the next meeting. 00:02:08
Oh, look at that. OK, I fixed the problem somehow. 00:02:18
OK. Anyways, so yeah, we have this final plat that I'm sure you've all seen before. This is the phase three. It's in the downtown 00:02:22
mixed-use zone, contains about approximately 64 acres of land and it'll be comprised of 20 unique lots, 2 unique partials with 00:02:28
eight interior private St. servicing the lots. And so those are the names of the streets we have Second Avenue, 3rd Ave. Main 00:02:34
Street, Broad Street, Civic Way. 00:02:40
Charleston Dover St. 00:02:47
I have a breakdown of how there's eight different blocks, and within those blocks there's these different lots. 00:02:49
It will be a lot easier if I just show you the plat so you can kind of get an understanding of. 00:02:56
What I'm talking about there? 00:03:01
So you have like block 8 and then you have lots 888-C8D in it and so on. 00:03:03
So in the applicant branch, is that your name? Right. So he's here representing. 00:03:10
Flagship Flagborough can answer any questions you do have as far as planning goes. Our comments. 00:03:16
We do have a few on the street naming and I know Naseem will have a few comments as that on that as well. We've seen prior Platts 00:03:22
where Broad Street right here is named Utah Promenade. 00:03:27
So and and I know Nasim might have an issue with both of these straights being named the same thing. Yeah, to be to be clear that 00:03:32
the prior plot that was approved and recorded had. 00:03:38
North Utah City Promenade Blvd. And South Utah City Promenade Blvd. So there were two distinctively different names. And I I do 00:03:43
believe that plat, although it was recorded, the streets weren't part of the recordation. 00:03:49
If that makes sense. It wasn't within the boundary of the. 00:03:58
The plat. 00:04:01
But they were labeled on there. 00:04:04
We do have that just as a conditional approval that the applicant will work with the community development department and 00:04:08
engineering on on figuring out the street name issues. 00:04:12
Those streets are one way streets. So that's if you Yeah. So and then actually we have. 00:04:19
The fire department here as well they can who may be able to speak with it but the. 00:04:26
One way streets but separated by two by different coordinate systems on that you can't make it 1 singular singular coordinate 00:04:30
system and the feedback that was given to. 00:04:35
US me specifically as well from the Sheriff's Office is that this would cause confusion for public safety. So emergency 00:04:41
responsives this was caused confusion for to them even though they're one way streets but with the separation specifically to 00:04:46
that. 00:04:50
So they so the Sheriff's Office provide. 00:04:56
Feedback recommending not to move forward with the street names. 00:04:58
Two same street names, even though they're one way. 00:05:02
On that and then again the. 00:05:06
I mean, Brandon, if you have any additional? 00:05:09
On that, but that's that was a feedback specifically from the sheriff's, from the Sheriff's Office. Lieutenant Rockwell and I 00:05:12
would agree with him on that even without his feedback. 00:05:17
Do you? 00:05:24
Do you know, are they wanting to keep the name Broad Street there? 00:05:26
I believe they do. 00:05:30
I don't know that we have we reached out to the county to see what the limitations of that and. 00:05:34
In terms for public works engineering, our side and Patrick can correct me if I'm wrong. He better not though, but now he can 00:05:42
correct me. 00:05:46
Is that you know on our side, on our side are tolerant. For the Public Works engineering the tolerance is pretty low, the 00:05:51
threshold is pretty low. 00:05:55
However, for public safety requirements, it needs to ensure that we don't have that we don't 'cause that confusion. 00:06:00
Because they have to make sure that. 00:06:07
It's also part of like the. 00:06:09
The response times etc. It's like they they would when it comes to again, I want to speak for Brandon or the Sheriff's Office 00:06:11
specifically but. 00:06:15
My understanding on comes to response time is that. 00:06:20
Uh, they they take into consideration. 00:06:24
Worst case scenario, if they happen to go through wrong wrong St. 00:06:27
Because of a confusion like that, what would what would it take for them to? 00:06:31
We respond to the correct address if that, if that was the case. 00:06:35
As well I know other. 00:06:40
States, and I won't go too long in a story, but other states they leave the actual naming of the streets final approval. 00:06:43
With the shirt with the County Sheriff's Office. 00:06:49
So if if you have Broad Street here and let's just say on the hypothetical ARM has Broad St. 00:06:52
That's too close of the proximity they actually, they'll actually do not they'll actually deny. 00:06:58
Their naming of a street if it's too close to another. 00:07:03
Even even if it's a different jurisdiction because they look at response times and so forth. 00:07:07
So when it comes to public safety. 00:07:13
You know, there is a high threshold and I and I would personally agree without having done having served in public safety myself. 00:07:16
I don't think it's an issue. I yeah, yeah. So we just have that as a condition of approval that they'll continue to work with us 00:07:24
to figure out that I think that was the biggest street name issue was the Broad St. 00:07:30
What's the benefit of having? 00:07:38
It's just the one way that the North Street is a westbound and South streets in East just to the right of that flat square out. 00:07:41
Because I imagine the. 00:07:54
The numbers would just be staggered, so like. 00:07:55
Yeah. Typically, yeah, Typically you would have, yeah, this side of the street it would be. 00:08:00
And if you look at it as a. 00:08:07
5 foot median or a. 00:08:16
250 there's no. 00:08:19
Housing, so I would imagine on the. 00:08:22
Yeah. 00:08:25
Or how much would that work, whether they're even numbers and the ones on the north side. So it's almost viewing it as like that 00:08:30
center parcel doesn't exist. It's a medium like you said. And the odd numbers are on one side, yeah. 00:08:36
Yeah. I mean friend if you. I mean, I yeah, I understand that. But I mean and I don't want again I don't want to speak for 00:08:44
exactly. I want to speak for a fire department. But I mean having I I mean I've. 00:08:50
I found my Junior fire fireman's hat having two guns. Thank you. Appreciate that. 00:08:57
But also for the fact that and having done specifically emergency emergency response planning and things the way that and the way 00:09:04
that I understand it and the way that typically it goes is that when you're planning for this if for example if someone, if they 00:09:09
respond to the South side. 00:09:14
By accident and they're supposed to be the Northside. Are they able to reposition themselves by actually having to move on 00:09:20
residential streets? Actually that maybe what may be one way streets, but on residential streets where they have like a small 00:09:25
medium, they don't consider that to be an obstacle because they don't actually have to reposition their vehicles in order to make 00:09:30
the response on obviously on residential streets with no venues. 00:09:35
If they happen to be on the wrong side of the street, they disclose down the whole street, they can walk, They can literally walk 00:09:40
across this. 00:09:43
The thing to consider is on here. If they went to the wrong thing, wrong St. on the South side, would they, would they be able to 00:09:46
respond to the Northside would actually have to, well, actually had to reposition themselves, and in this case. 00:09:52
The answer I got from the Sheriff's Office with death would be a no. 00:09:58
On that, so there will be condition that those streets have to be distinctively named in order to. 00:10:02
Make sure that there is no confusion for public safety. At the end of the day, public safety is the number one priority for us. 00:10:09
The tolerance for engineering is like. 00:10:13
Whatever. And if he takes us an extra 20 minutes to respond. 00:10:18
That's no one's going to die. 00:10:22
They did. 00:10:25
Roadway on the Northside of. 00:10:33
So it's. It does have a little bit of a job, but it's. 00:10:40
I think maybe we need a different name. Besides that, I do see that Bronson did just join the call. I don't know Bronson, if you 00:10:48
can hear us or not. 00:10:52
We are talking about the naming of Broad Street right here. Umm. 00:10:57
Can you hear us? 00:11:03
By chance. OK, great. Yeah, we just wanted to have a conversation about Broad Street right here. Public Safety is concerned about 00:11:04
having both these streets being the same thing. On the previous plot that you guys submitted, it showed that this was going to be 00:11:10
called the like South Utah City Promenade in the North Utah City Promenade. Is that changing completely and you want to to go with 00:11:15
Broad St. 00:11:21
Well, it was both of those sections of three were. 00:11:29
Utah City Promenade, but we had a northern promenade that was in order for. 00:11:33
I don't think we have a North and a S Yes, Sir. You. Yeah. 00:11:37
Yes, you hadn't? No. 00:11:42
And just addressed it even in odd, it was North and South, yeah, the I think phase two or whatever, Plat said North and South 00:11:48
Promenade. 00:11:52
That I think that stays for the phase two slide I don't think has the promenade in it, right. It just shows outside of the 00:11:59
boundaries. It has those two streets just for reference. 00:12:04
Yeah, I think I thought Pam told us that we. 00:12:11
Didn't do a North and a South. 00:12:15
Is Brandon? Is Brandon there? I'm trying to see. Yeah, he is. 00:12:18
Yeah. 00:12:23
What is what's what's his thought? 00:12:23
So the main concern came from the Sheriff's Department. 00:12:28
I I can definitely understand their concern and why it's important to have two separate names there, just to to weed out that 00:12:33
confusion. 00:12:37
So yeah, so I think if in order to move forward, Bronson, if you would like, if you wish to choose to move forward with this, a 00:12:46
condition will be that the street names will have to be finalized and cleared up. 00:12:53
Before it can be recorded. 00:13:00
Yep, and I do have that as the very first recommendation. 00:13:03
For approval. 00:13:06
Yep. Yeah. So this would just be a recommendation that once we get that fixed, then we can get the Mylar shined and recorded at 00:13:08
the county. 00:13:11
The other issue I did notice he. 00:13:15
Here was on the. 00:13:18
You had sheet number one of two on this page. 00:13:20
And then sheet page one of two on this page. 00:13:24
Yeah, so just a simple correction there. 00:13:27
So that is it. 00:13:34
From the planning from Community development. 00:13:36
Are there any other comments from from anybody else on this? 00:13:39
All those others talk before I talk. So Eric? 00:13:46
Carson. 00:13:51
Brandon. 00:13:53
Maybe I was pricer. 00:13:54
Alright, so. 00:13:56
Staff reports outstanding fees. In addition to the to condition on this slide, I would like to add that a phasing diagram is being 00:14:00
it will be provided as well. 00:14:06
Prior to the prior to the recording of the plot, which should be. 00:14:12
We shouldn't hold up the recording the plot since the street names and other areas have to be fixed. 00:14:17
And also since Bronson is online, I would like to ask about. 00:14:25
Where about the private roads and PPU CS? 00:14:30
Umm, what's the finalization on moving forward with the determining on the public and private? 00:14:34
My understanding is even though that all these eighth streets are shown as private. 00:14:40
That those streets will be public. 00:14:44
And I have not. I have not been given any information personally in the engineering department or in engineering of other works 00:14:47
about. 00:14:51
What the status of this is because? 00:14:56
I know that that's going to require replathing everything. 00:15:00
Uh. 00:15:04
I don't know. Bronson, did you hear that question? 00:15:13
Oh, sorry. Can you repeat it so I'll so. 00:15:20
After I asked after I asked for the condition of having a phasing diagram provided. 00:15:24
Provided as a condition of recording the plot, but also. 00:15:30
I was asking about the status of the public private. 00:15:34
Roads and Pu. 00:15:37
For the public. 00:15:40
Sorry, I'm having a hard time hearing. Can you repeat? Yeah, so he's just wanting to know about the the streets, all the streets 00:15:50
here are labeled as private roads and Pu, he wants to know if that's going to remain or if it's going to be transferred to a 00:15:54
public Rd. 00:15:59
And and what your intentions are with that? 00:16:05
I from what I'm hearing, they will still be transferred to the public, but they're still. 00:16:08
Jamie is Jamie with you guys? Jamie Jamies not here. And last time I. 00:16:14
I think that sites all still being worked out, but that's my understanding that at least curb to curb would go to the city. 00:16:20
And I think they're negotiating the like backup curve to building. 00:16:28
Section of the right away. So my yeah. And regardless of that, right away to right away is RDA reimbursable? 00:16:33
It's just I don't know what will go public and what's going to stay private. 00:16:41
All right. So I would like to put a condition on this plot that the public private is made, made is to kind of determined this is 00:16:45
place. Last time I spoke to the state attorney about this. 00:16:50
There was number status update. 00:16:57
On that and then also the fact that. 00:16:59
I think this is putting a burden onto the city and in the residence. 00:17:02
As well in terms of being able to. 00:17:06
Plan forward as well and I'm not sure what your thoughts are, Eric. 00:17:10
Or I would simply just ask what the parameter of your suggestion would be time wise. 00:17:16
As as it pertains to the construction, do you want it? 00:17:22
A determination made prior to construction or. 00:17:25
What is your, I would say prior to the CEOs. 00:17:28
OK, how would you want me to word that? 00:17:32
Magically. 00:17:36
Have the private public Rd. configuration. 00:17:38
Or yeah, just say framework, at least a framework agreeable, something agreeable on that agreement. Agreement between the city and 00:17:41
the developer in terms of maybe between the. 00:17:47
Applicant. 00:17:54
I should be looking at my screen applicant and the city. Yeah. Are you OK with that? Yeah, I was. 00:17:57
Prior. Sorry, prior. 00:18:03
Part 2 Certificate of occupancy being issued Of occupancy is issued. 00:18:05
OK. Oh, time. 00:18:15
The other thing Bronson that Morgan did want me to bring up here on this plat is we do have Lot 10A on here, which he was thinking 00:18:19
is the lot that that will be going over to the becoming the city new City Hall. 00:18:25
And he wanted to know if this is going to change at all or if this is is right. 00:18:33
Yeah, that. 00:18:40
So my knowledge as correct. I think there was some design on the City Hall being in civic way. 00:18:42
Like inside that right away is that? 00:18:47
That will be public, but we have a bunch of utilities running through there, so we don't want the City Hall. 00:18:50
On top of the utilities. 00:18:57
They all actually sit in 10 minutes. 00:18:58
OK. 00:19:01
OK. 00:19:04
And we'll erase that. 00:19:06
I have a question about that. Yeah. Is there anything that would prevent it? 00:19:12
Bronson, is there anything that would prevent us from potentially? 00:19:16
I don't know if you would call it air rights, but having the ability to bridge over to that parking structure to the north. 00:19:21
On an on an upper floor that wouldn't impede traffic or pedestrian traffic on that. 00:19:29
Is it a road or is it a? 00:19:36
So if the law is on 10A then. 00:19:38
10 or lot 13 days just to the north and there's no Rd. Is there paseo between the two lots? I don't know if it's been. 00:19:42
Designed that far but. 00:19:50
Yeah, we haven't designed over there. I don't know if you guys have looked at design there, but. 00:19:53
It won't be. I don't think it will be. 00:19:59
Umm. And there's going to definitely have to be like some coordination when we start talking parking structures when we get to 00:20:03
that point. 00:20:07
We may want to look at. I don't know if 10A has some parking structure on it and then that parking structure continues up into 00:20:11
13/8. 00:20:16
So that's just. 00:20:21
Stuff we got to workout in the future. 00:20:22
Perfect. 00:20:24
All right. And then all the other condition I would like to put in it's minor technical stuff is just to ensure that all any kind 00:20:33
of technical. 00:20:37
Corrections on the. 00:20:42
On the plot, in terms of like curves and so forth, we since we're going through the name change or name designation. 00:20:45
As well that you know that those type of grammatical errors, I'll say small technical errors are just corrected. 00:20:54
Prior to recording, I think you have, I think already have that listed. Yeah, I was gonna say I think that is one of the OK. 00:21:04
Drag this over. Thanks, Ed. 00:21:10
Then that's that's a typical correction that's usually made as an as a kind of staff administrative change anyway. So Yep. 00:21:13
So it would be these recommendations over here as well as well I think. 00:21:23
The only additional one. 00:21:28
Probably thing probably a good thing to do is like when you put fix the page numbers. I say you could just say fix page numbers 00:21:33
and other. 00:21:37
Other grammar call slash technical. 00:21:42
Eris, yeah, we could, I could change that is it? Yeah. That's like I have a catch all this like said. 00:21:45
Not again. This before the DRC was formed, would formally do the plots. That was something that staff would just handle with the 00:21:52
developers anyway. 00:21:56
So, any grammatical and technical technical. 00:22:01
Is technical too broad. 00:22:05
Probably is too broad. 00:22:08
I mean, we do have that they they meet all the county requirements and that they make any red line corrections. That's good. Yeah, 00:22:10
red line corrections. OK, then we'll leave it just, yeah. I mean, I think we caught a couple like numbers that were just off just 00:22:15
by by tad, nothing big. 00:22:20
Yeah. And that once again we can include in the, they have to fix all the addressing errors as well. Yeah, those are those, I mean 00:22:26
I said those things just for mainly for brands understandings. Those are things that we would typically work with. 00:22:31
Developer slash engineer right on the side, even after it's been approved by City Council before the recording of the plot. 00:22:38
Just as a staff level. 00:22:46
So I'm not sure how detailed we have to go with these things right now. Great. 00:22:48
We should begin with these. 00:22:54
Recommendations. OK, is this a vote by person or is this a roll call? Roll call, vote. We probably need a motion. I can make a 00:22:58
motion. Yeah, motion has to be made. 00:23:01
Yep, I move to approve the Utah City Phase three final plat with the conditions as presented here. 00:23:06
Do you want me to read the conditions? 00:23:11
You shouldn't need to, I can include them in the minutes. 00:23:15
2nd. That. 00:23:17
Cool. All right, Roll call vote. 00:23:19
How did I do that? 00:23:22
I. 00:23:26
Hi. 00:23:30
OK. Thank you. 00:23:34
I'm going to. 00:23:38
This, this goes to the City Council next or no? So our new Paul, our new policies that will just go through DRC and then once we 00:23:45
make these these corrections, we can get assigned by the Mylar sign. 00:23:50
Yep, Yep. No longer goes to City Council. Exactly. So, branches, for your information, you get to listen to my voice for. 00:23:56
To go on and on and on. 00:24:03
Maybe a little too long. Bueller. Bueller. Bueller. 00:24:06
Yeah. 00:24:10
You got that right. 00:24:12
Caches and understand that Ferris Bueller's Day Off, I guess. Oh, smack. 00:24:14
I think that's post 2000. That's definitely way post 2000, is it not? 00:24:19
Oh no, that's pretty 2000. Yeah, yeah, that's 90s, man. 00:24:24
You caught me. 00:24:27
Doesn't mean I like it, but. 00:24:29
Are we doing Orchids 7 and eight now? Yep. So Orchard 7-8 is going to be the next item on here. 00:24:33
We have final class, but thank everybody. Thanks, Bronson. 00:24:40
Thank you. 00:24:47
Yeah, yeah. 00:24:49
OK. And I don't believe that Karen is here with AIM Tech. 00:24:55
Mike Olsens company representing this. I'll run through this plot. So this is the the property shown here. It's just on the South 00:25:01
side of the Center Street bridge. It's where the development agreement was just approved for the live work units. 00:25:08
So this is a plot to record those those properties. 00:25:16
It's approximately 2 acres of land. It's going to hold 81 unique lots and three partials. It allow for phases 7 and eight of the 00:25:20
Orchard development. We reviewed it. There's no. 00:25:26
Large issues with this plat. 00:25:32
We do have some concerns on the plat on the parking on New Vineyard Rd. 00:25:36
They just have like these partials laid out and they appear to be going the wrong direction. If it's going to be normal angled 00:25:41
parking like this angle right here is incorrect. 00:25:47
So we do have a request that they work with staff on fixing that issue. So I'm sorry, that's shown as reverse. 00:25:52
Correct. And it shouldn't be. It's. It's supposed to be normal. 00:26:00
Pulling angle, not reverse angle. 00:26:03
Yeah, I know there's a lot of back and forth on that in terms of like. 00:26:06
I'm trying to make. I'm trying to figure out what was the termination. I think the development agreement stated it would be 00:26:10
normal. I think there were concerns about the safety of reverse angle. 00:26:15
And so they changed it. But once again it's a condition that we can re examine the development agreement and if it does state 00:26:22
that. But as you can see like this angle right here was a concern, the developer is concerned or was it it was City Council. 00:26:29
OK. Yeah. 00:26:37
So, but regardless, all of these parkings have just these. 00:26:39
Weird angles that it looks like it could work for. Yeah. So we just want them to acknowledge that and work with work with us on 00:26:43
that. And then the other condition that we did want to add is that they do add an easement along the east side that they said they 00:26:49
were working with us on to. There's there's a trail right here and some parking, and we want to make sure that we have some public 00:26:56
access to that. 00:27:02
So I believe those are all the comments. I can go over the plot real quick so it does have all of these. 00:27:11
Townhome buildings, they will be the live work units where the ground floor will be like a retail space. So it could be something 00:27:18
like a Barber shop or a tax office something like that. It does have the future potential to have like a Co working space right 00:27:24
here. This building, building E it is not going through the site plan process right now. 00:27:30
But once again, it'll be used by this community. We run by the HOA in a way that if somebody has a business there and they need 00:27:37
like a larger conference room, they'd be able to have that there. So kind of a different take on an HOA clubhouse. 00:27:44
And then over on the east side. 00:27:52
We do have, like I said, there's some parking with that trail and then there will be. 00:27:54
Some space for some community gardens as well. 00:28:00
And then and a lot of this will come through with the site plan in the coming weeks. I think we're actually going to do the work 00:28:04
session here in a minute on it, so we don't have to get too in the details on the site plan itself. 00:28:09
But that should I have a question, Yeah. 00:28:16
So parcels AB and C that just seems to be a hash mark. 00:28:21
Denoting that it's separate property based off of the legend. I don't think that's denoting that it's a parking. 00:28:27
Or that that parking is facing One Direction or not the building B. 00:28:33
No parcel? Oh, oh, partially. 00:28:38
That's just hash marks to denote that they're separate properties. 00:28:42
Right. 00:28:45
You'll see that it's just they're just hash marks, right? Right. But even then, the like angles would be off for the parking 00:28:54
regardless. 00:28:58
It just, I think I was talking to Patrick about this a few days ago. Was it you that I was? 00:29:04
That they just looked. 00:29:11
For what they're planning on doing according to the site plan, I can show you the site plan. Well, I think what Patricia was 00:29:13
saying is that the lines are not actually showing the parking stalls, right? Yeah. No, no, I yeah, yeah, I I totally acknowledge 00:29:19
that. But as you can see here on their site plan, you have this angle going up to the left, this angle going up to the left. 00:29:26
And then over here on the plat. 00:29:33
You have the angle going to the left and then over here an angle going to the right that might not. 00:29:36
Fit this parking like it would cut right here. 00:29:42
So we just want to make sure that that parking is within that partial. 00:29:47
If that makes any sense. 00:29:53
Yeah. So that the site plan doesn't, they're not overlapping the parking, correct? 00:29:56
Correct. Yep. 00:30:02
Any questions I can try to answer? Like I said, I know the applicant isn't here so it's hard to. 00:30:09
For me to answer everything but I can. I have questions but I'll let the others ask first. 00:30:14
Well I guess my question on this is looking at this and. 00:30:23
Was when during the review. I apologize if I didn't provide my comments today, but the area on the first sheet, this is to be 00:30:27
acquired that's grayed out. 00:30:32
So then 10s is to actually record this plot itself. 00:30:38
The county provides feedback on if that would be allowed, on which part if you should. If you go to this this particular page to 00:30:42
the upper right of the lot, there we go, where it has all the grayed out of the area where the notes is to be acquired. 00:30:50
I'm not sure if that's legally allowed. OK, I can, I can have them clarify that, Yeah. So they would have. What they would have to 00:31:00
do is they would have to show the actual. 00:31:04
Parcels itself broken out. 00:31:09
If that's owned by, again that's owned by the state to be acquired. 00:31:11
There may that may have to be done before a condition that that's done before the. I do believe the the kind of the, the story 00:31:15
about that partial is I think the city owes them that land. Exactly. And so yeah they're waiting on a document from us. Yeah. So I 00:31:21
think I mean and I totally understand that. I totally understand that that's going to be a. 00:31:27
That's good. That's going to be turned over. 00:31:34
I don't think that the cash officially record the plot like that. 00:31:37
Because I think what the county will do is they'll take a look, see what the parcels are. 00:31:41
And the plot that's being provided does not outline, does not show out the parcels, there's not documents showing that there was a 00:31:45
like quick claim deed provided. 00:31:49
Sure. Then I believe the county will deny it. 00:31:53
I mean, we could take it as soon as this afternoon if it gets approved, but we can wait just depending on. 00:31:59
Signed and ready for room. 00:32:09
Yeah. OK. Yeah. So we can put that as a condition of approval, I think. Yeah, I think with the condition, the condition approvals 00:32:13
that this plot won't be recorded without the accompanying document for the. 00:32:19
For that so because if I'm not mistaken, the county will probably just, I believe the county accept both documents. 00:32:26
Claim deed, right? Yeah. So what has to happen is that the quick claim deed document has to be provided to the county first. 00:32:32
So that so that recording number is smaller than the recording number of the file. 00:32:40
So it shows. So in the records it shows the order of the recorder. 00:32:45
So then we have the same issue. They have the development agreement that was approved, but that hasn't been recorded either. So 00:32:52
that's another condition that we have is approval. We need to get that. Yeah, that's that's just the technicality stuff. You can't 00:32:57
record the plat without the Quick landing having been in the system first, yeah. 00:33:01
And then I don't believe that having. 00:33:07
The word to be acquired should happen with them change. 00:33:09
OK. 00:33:23
Yeah, Yeah. So that that's the I have the quick claim deed is recorded prior to recordation. 00:33:26
Yep. 00:33:33
Did we get the comments to change Town of Vineyard to Vineyard City? 00:33:41
On the plot throughout I can do that. 00:33:46
Yeah, I'm OK going to change it back to the town. Can we make that motion? 00:33:48
Now. 00:33:53
Yeah, so, yeah, yeah, I mean. 00:33:59
It's kind of like the contentionality there's, I mean there's some parcels that still show Town of Vineyards. So if you're trying 00:34:02
to like be technical, if the part of the of the county records show Town of Vineyards, they would probably still use Town of 00:34:06
Vineyards, however. 00:34:11
Other areas of the plot on this plot is for example, larger energies is as approved and required by Town of Vineyards. 00:34:16
Vineyard versus. 00:34:24
Yeah, it has to be Finger City. 00:34:26
So yeah, where does it say that on here if you go under a lot of drainage on the bottom? 00:34:28
Right below. 00:34:33
Oh, down here, right next to acceptance of Leslie Bonnie. 00:34:35
Oh yeah, Town of Vineyard and like everywhere else, you know, I mean, if if it says Town of Vineyard because that's what's 00:34:39
referenced as a parcel legally on this on the county map, that would be acceptable because what they're just doing is just 00:34:43
referencing another legal. 00:34:48
Designation. 00:34:54
I mean obviously, hopefully that we get all those things changed with the county in the future. 00:34:55
At least in every other reference. 00:35:00
Where they just say designated that the Vineyard City. 00:35:02
Staff will do XYZ and just make sure it says when you're sitting. 00:35:08
OK. I did have a question on this. It sounds like it's going to be residential over commercial. Yeah, mixed-use. And so I mean my 00:35:15
concerns are always the same concerns which is access for the fire department and mess to get in and if. 00:35:24
With it being commercial on the bottom. 00:35:34
They're gonna have FTC's and risers and that kind of stuff. And on this, on the plat map that I've been given, there's no hydrant 00:35:36
locations. 00:35:40
Umm, yeah, Any real access you know determining how to get to? 00:35:45
Buildings. 00:35:51
DG and I. 00:35:56
And N. 00:35:58
Just the length they are from. 00:36:01
Erode just making sure that they meet the requirements. 00:36:03
OK, yeah, I can have them clarify the the road structure in this plat. If we do look at the site plan, you know there is the three 00:36:07
different access points in there, but the plot does not show that. So I can have them and I haven't seen. 00:36:13
I haven't seen that version. Yeah. Yeah. So and we're going to be going over this. This is the site plan. We're going to be doing 00:36:21
that as a work session today. To kind of get more into the details, I mean, we can have a brief work session. Since they're not 00:36:27
here, it might not be too beneficial. So what they would have to show on the path is the private roads as well, like so for 00:36:32
example, she'd one where it just shows like the public, the public growth and then has the lines as a name. 00:36:38
Kind of showing like. 00:36:45
In between the buildings, the three buildings. 00:36:47
They would show like private grow there. 00:36:49
Let me just double check that they have not uploaded. If they all have private road, at the very least they should have a easement 00:36:52
for fire. Excuse me, Emergency emergency, emergency access, easement. 00:36:58
Because what I'll do is I'll prevent any kind of blockage of that area. 00:37:04
So they won't be able to put like barricades. 00:37:08
Or anything that like that I would block emergency vehicles. 00:37:12
Yeah, that is the the latest plot that I'm seeing on their permit, Yeah. So they would just need to show private road or and then 00:37:20
they would also or if not at the very least emergency access easements. 00:37:26
Designated so this way the fire department doesn't have to worry that there's a concrete barrier being placed there. 00:37:33
OK, so include. 00:37:39
Road naming and diagram. 00:37:42
Internal roads. 00:37:44
Include internal. Does that help you? Rd. 00:37:46
It does. One of the concerns is just that. 00:37:50
On another project we ran into the where we. 00:37:54
There was an approval on the initial plat and then when it came time for the deferred submittal of the sprinkler system. 00:37:58
The hydrants have been placed in the location that it wasn't conducive with their FTC locations and so I'm just trying to, would 00:38:06
you want to see the fire hydrant location on the plat? 00:38:10
I don't even know if. 00:38:16
A lot of it determined is determined by the Architect. Wherever they place the FCC that would determine where they're, you know, 00:38:21
it's kind of that initial planning process that's normally taken care of by the Architect. It's just. 00:38:27
How to get them on the same page so that they're thinking about it now so it doesn't come up later as a? 00:38:33
Caught off guard Kind of a thing or extra. 00:38:39
You know, just the customer service aspect so they're not caught off guard. So probably put a condition that the interior private 00:38:43
rows are conditioned on fire departments final approval. 00:38:47
This way like because I think the the main road like New Vineyard Rd. 00:38:54
On the outside, this goes. 00:38:58
Won't change, but maybe then to your interior. 00:39:00
Road access and maybe the site plan may change just to calm this far. 00:39:04
Yeah, and you might even just put Joe Fire department access and. 00:39:09
Determine FTC location. 00:39:17
Near hydrant locations, you know what I mean? Like that. 00:39:21
Requirement of 100 feet location something so that they. 00:39:25
I could include something like that. They have to determine the hydrant locations prior to the site plan approval and that way 00:39:31
they have to have a conversation with you first. Yeah, that would be that would be great. OK. 00:39:36
We're more than happy to help him in whichever way we can. 00:39:42
Yeah. 00:39:48
Prior to. 00:39:52
Approval. 00:39:53
Options per orum fire. 00:39:56
OK. 00:40:09
Any other comments or anything? 00:40:13
The parcel I mean, excuse me that this plot doesn't show like whether it's going to be reverse angled or front angled so. 00:40:22
I think that's just, that's just that would be on the side plan, right. Yeah. So that's like yes, I don't think we need to make a 00:40:27
condition on this one. 00:40:31
So and like I said it's just to make sure that those. 00:40:34
Parking lots don't overlap. 00:40:37
That's fine. I'm good with that, Yeah. 00:40:39
So let me check to make sure. 00:40:49
To be, I think that's. 00:40:51
The no. OK, I think that's everything. Sorry. I started thinking site plan stuff again. 00:40:55
OK, I'm good with it. I don't have any other comments. 00:41:01
So. 00:41:08
Bryce, do you have anything, Sir? All right, so. 00:41:12
Are we ready for a motion cash you think? 00:41:16
Let me just figure out this last. 00:41:20
With. 00:41:23
Oh, I yeah, I did have one other question. Sorry. Now it's remembered. So the parking stalls, are those in the private right away 00:41:28
or public right away? They don't show. 00:41:32
And date and when I looked at their notes there was number designation. 00:41:37
Is parcel. 00:41:40
BC is. 00:41:43
Is owned and maintained by. 00:41:45
I do believe that they are private. 00:41:48
Do you have you seen anything in the site plan Anthony? 00:41:50
The one on the East Brainyard Rd. 00:42:00
East Vineyard growth. Yeah. Where's east? 00:42:02
Yeah, if it's public part, if it's considered public parking, like is it owned by the Vineyard City or is it owned by the by the 00:42:16
developer or the HOA and. 00:42:20
I can have them include like a maintenance or ownership document for partials ABC yeah. So yeah, I would. Typically they can add 00:42:26
another table. So when they do parcels, when they're designating A parcel A parcel B, parcel C, then there there should be a 00:42:32
company table to say parcel A. 00:42:38
And then the description parcel a. 00:42:45
Parking stalls and then. 00:42:48
Owned owned by. It could be owned by HOA, owned by city and maintained. So sometimes there's like a ownership and slash 00:42:52
maintenance, like for example you're a landscaping maintenance. 00:42:57
Or, excuse me, you're on your exterior of your. 00:43:03
On the exterior of the. 00:43:07
Like the walls here, exterior boundary walls could be, it may say like owned by city, maintained landscaping maintained by HOA. 00:43:10
And then this way it kind of enters into like a little agreement, OK, it may be in the development agreement, but at least no one 00:43:20
ever reads development agreements after record this. So this is like an easy punch in your face. 00:43:25
Yeah. So I have include ownership and maintenance information of parcels AB and C on the plat. Thank you. 00:43:31
That was everything OK. 00:43:38
So let's make a motion to approve with conditions. I also just realized I don't believe that we allow proxy voting. So Carson, oh, 00:43:39
he doesn't. I don't think the bylaws allow it. Well, we haven't done bylaws yet so maybe we'll have to. Well, yeah, the current 00:43:45
code doesn't. We make a motion to a motion that we allow proxy building for this particular. We're gonna maybe discuss bylaws and 00:43:51
if cannot, motion to make, That's right now. 00:43:57
I don't make serious, OK, I motion to allow proxy building. 00:44:05
As part of as a condition of the of this particular DRC until until the bylaws are established. 00:44:08
I we don't have Jamie here to tell me if that's illegal. 00:44:17
We don't need the proxy voting. We don't. We have, we have people, we have sitting members. We have a second to the proxy 00:44:22
building. 00:44:25
Bryce is not a sitting member, he's filling in for Tay, so there we go. So. 00:44:30
Isn't it? Wouldn't you mean? 00:44:35
Oh my Lord. 00:44:38
That's a good call. Let me. 00:44:39
Pull up these. 00:44:45
I say we approve a temporary allowance of I mean. 00:44:49
I'm fine with that. 00:44:55
So I might not, but. 00:44:57
If that's the case, then I motion to be adjourned and go home. 00:45:01
Let me see what was written. It's been a while since I've looked at this. 00:45:06
I thought that it said somebody could ask him to sit in there instead. So. 00:45:19
It doesn't say anything about that, just as their designee. 00:45:38
That's it, says them or their designee. Yeah. 00:45:41
So we're good? Yeah, he's good. Yeah. I think. I think we're okay. 00:45:44
Does it say that for all of them or I know I said it for the planning one? 00:45:51
So it says the DRC consists of seven members, the chair and the Planning Commission or the chair of the Planning Commission, the 00:45:55
city manager, the fire Marshall or designee, and the heads of departments of building, community development, engineering and 00:45:59
Parks and Rec, or their designee. 00:46:03
So maybe just not Planning Commission gets a designation? Not yet in the new bylaws, it said that they do, but. 00:46:08
Does everybody interpret that? 00:46:15
Right the same way. 00:46:17
Yes. OK, so you do get a vote. So that being said, with my since I was the one that made the motion, we should probably, yeah, we 00:46:19
should redo the motion for the Utah city. I'm good with not doing that. I understand you're good, but we gotta cross our T's and 00:46:25
dot our IS. 00:46:31
I'm emotionally if you want to bring up the conditions again, it make it easy for someone to make a motion. 00:46:39
Let me pull that up. Sorry about this. We're still trying to figure out the whole new DRC. 00:46:48
You know. 00:46:53
OK. 00:46:56
Patty, I don't know if you heard that, but I believe you do get a vote because of your Chris's designee. 00:46:59
I can make a. 00:47:04
An updated motion on Utah City Phase three. 00:47:07
So I move to approve Utah City Phase Three final plat with conditions as presented. 00:47:12
I'll second the motion. 00:47:20
We have a second on that motion. So roll call vote. So we'll call vote to Eric, Aye Carson myself. 00:47:23
I and Patty Petrajo. 00:47:30
Maybe she's not on the call. 00:47:37
There she is. 00:47:42
We can say absent on this. 00:47:43
If we're not getting feedback from her. 00:47:45
That's still 4 votes, so we're OK to continue. All right. So motion. So the motion is passed. 00:47:49
Now we could move on to Orchard 7:00 and 8:00. 00:47:56
So we're good. 00:48:00
Parking partials along New Vineyard Rd. are configured with the approval of the Community Development Director and include 00:48:35
ownership and maintenance information of partials AB and C on the plat. 00:48:40
I move to approve the orchards at Vineyard, Phase seven and Sub. 00:48:49
Subdivision final plat with the condition. 00:48:54
It has. Oh, sorry. Seven and eight subdivisions, Plat. 00:48:58
Final plat with the conditions as presented. 00:49:02
2nd So we have a motion with a second, so we'll call the correct cache. Recall the errors are. 00:49:07
Carson I. Myself I. 00:49:15
Patricia. 00:49:20
Patricia, are you still here enough by chance? 00:49:23
Kinsley, can you hear us? 00:49:27
I can hear you. I don't know if she stepped out. She might have gotten a phone call or something. Well, that makes that makes 00:49:30
Kinsley the. 00:49:33
Next as a knee. Then for this, Patricia did message me saying she was the designee. OK, yeah, that's what I understood. She asked 00:49:37
if, when Chris told us that he wasn't feeling well, she. 00:49:44
Asked if he wanted, he wanted her to go. That's fine. We can list it as absent. OK, sorry. 00:49:51
All right. So that passed and so we proved and move on to the next one. So yeah, when we can make this one fairly quick, we'll 00:49:59
we'll turn it over to Anthony. Do you have the click share by chance or I can pull up the site plan if that's easiest. 00:50:05
OK, let me. 00:50:12
That is for the final plant. 00:50:20
OK, is there a certain page you want to? 00:50:23
Umm. 00:50:27
And really, if since the applicant isn't here, it might be easiest to just do a brief review of this. 00:50:32
Just to let you all know kind of what, what's coming down the pipeline on this site plan? 00:50:38
But it's really beneficial they were here so they can hear these comments and can. 00:50:43
You can just use my computer. 00:50:49
In the second drawer down. 00:50:58
Yeah, so it'll be easier. 00:51:01
Thank you. 00:51:31
All right, so here are a few comments that. 00:51:37
Was shared with the. 00:51:42
With the developer, with the applicant, and it's pretty much very basic because they're not here. I'm not going to go into like 00:51:44
stepwise things, just a few things that call out. 00:51:49
That I'd like to call out. 00:51:55
Was that we the development agreement required that they? 00:51:57
Prepare a transportation circulation plan which was delivered was literally submitted to us yesterday, So that is. 00:52:01
Something that would have to be reviewed by us. 00:52:09
Umm to see if it meets whatever needs that. 00:52:13
Whatever requirements that supposed to meet. 00:52:16
There were a few missing sidewalks and cross. 00:52:22
Works on the plan. 00:52:26
And I can show you that right now. 00:52:29
So on this side it was like, you know, you can't really tell because if this is going to be a dog park. 00:52:31
There's nothing here showing that connection. 00:52:36
There are no crosswalks. 00:52:40
Around these areas as well, linking the sidewalks. 00:52:42
Umm, you know? And it's pretty much through the entire site, no crosswalks indicated. 00:52:47
On all these areas. 00:53:00
Also um. 00:53:02
This was not fully indicated in the plans if it was going to be a structure or just parking stalls, so we were not sure what 00:53:06
that's going to be. 00:53:11
From the plan. So we need them to at least clarify that as well. This is not included, it's not part of the site plan approval. 00:53:16
It's being considered for the future. 00:53:20
However, I have a concern about parking for that in the future. If they decide to move forward, what are the plans to move to, you 00:53:25
know? 00:53:30
To contain parking for a two-story. 00:53:35
Building office building. 00:53:38
Currently there are no issues with the parking. 00:53:42
However, there's a recommendation to. 00:53:45
Break up this long number of parking stalls. 00:53:48
With a landscaping island somewhere in there. 00:53:52
We can probably reduce some of this and Justice split it up a little bit to make, you know, make it. 00:53:58
Not look like a giant sea of parking. 00:54:04
And on this side as well, does that, does that. 00:54:08
Consideration to possibly because looking at how the plant again would have to go through that circulation plan that they shared 00:54:14
with us. 00:54:17
But based on the plan review, the site plan review, we're thinking. 00:54:22
They could even block out this entrance. 00:54:27
Because it does not even line up with this one, right? And. 00:54:32
Looking at the code reference, there's a code reference that. 00:54:37
It says it's right here. 00:54:42
1538. 00:54:53
.30 point one. 00:54:55
Oix. 00:54:59
And that pretty much. 00:55:01
Talks about the fact that when developing or when planning out these sites. 00:55:04
You'd have to consider adjacent. 00:55:09
Entrances to other sites as well. 00:55:12
Or surrounding sites to make sure that at least it's you know there's a free flow, like it is in this case where there's going to 00:55:15
be a good intersection. 00:55:19
I did have you know? 00:55:24
Interaction with engineering they have no issue with. 00:55:26
This being a hazard because this road is supposed to be 25 miles per per hour, so it's supposed to be slow. 00:55:30
However, it will do us some good if this is blocked off. 00:55:37
To meet that condition in the code. 00:55:43
And that would also add on to parking and so far it doesn't look like it's going to affect. 00:55:45
The movement through the site. 00:55:52
Is actually going to. 00:55:54
Make it safer for pedestrians. 00:55:56
If that is considered. 00:55:58
Sure if you don't mind me or injecting but blocking that off maybe because make MP on the fire safety. 00:56:03
Entrance on that. 00:56:10
OK, so because again, that totally provides. 00:56:12
Yeah, they need 2 accesses. 00:56:19
In and out. 00:56:21
So I don't, I don't know if that would be allowed. 00:56:22
Doesn't there's an axis here as well? 00:56:26
Where is that so? 00:56:30
Oh, I see that. I see that, that one. 00:56:32
And two, so that satisfies the two axis. But here I mean it's going to work. 00:56:35
OK. 00:56:46
OK. He just stated that there would be a, there might be some other criteria that the technical criteria to meet so. 00:56:49
OK. So would you want me to get in touch with you later on just to get those information like the criteria that needs to be met? 00:56:56
Yeah. We could probably discuss that later, yeah. 00:57:07
And again, if the DRC is not in favor of this being blocked out, that should work as well. But it's a comment that's worth I put 00:57:11
it in there as something that's worth considering. 00:57:15
Because it would add on to the parking that could help with the future plan of this, you know, two-story office building if they 00:57:21
decide to move forward with it. 00:57:25
Umm, generally, they're just a few. 00:57:32
Other things, this is a spot that could also, you know, have maybe 1 or 288 parking stalls. 00:57:34
In there. 00:57:40
Without an issue. 00:57:44
Going back to my comments. 00:57:46
There's no lighting provided. We need a photometric plan for the entire development. There's nothing provided, so we can't tell if 00:57:50
the parking areas have been well, you know, planned to be well lit or not, and the entire site in general. 00:57:58
Umm, a few comments here for the elevations. 00:58:07
You know, we need them to. 00:58:11
Pretty much provide that material specification document that has been referenced in the. 00:58:13
The site plan that they. 00:58:19
Provided there was also no information showing anything on bike parking. 00:58:21
On the site plan. 00:58:28
So I've put that in the comment to be. 00:58:29
Provided as well and you know bike bike racks should be provided looking at this magnitude of this. 00:58:33
Development the bike are actually provided. 00:58:41
At least 50 feet. 00:58:44
From each of these buildings, so we're looking at having at least. 00:58:46
4 park installed bike parking racks. 00:58:51
Throughout the development. 00:58:55
4 racks that have up to about three of them. 00:58:58
That take about 3 bikes. 00:59:03
So these are the main comments. 00:59:05
They've been shared with the. 00:59:08
Applicant and we're hoping to hear back from them. 00:59:10
And we can probably revisit this if they're able to. 00:59:13
Respond to these comments with no issues. 00:59:17
Cool. 00:59:21
And also I just wanted to touch on the Angot parking we're talking about earlier in the plat. 00:59:24
This just shows angled forward parking. 00:59:29
It does not show the. 00:59:33
The reversed 1 so. 00:59:35
We might want to. I don't know if it's too late to change or. 00:59:37
Amend that motion, but I was just per condition on that. 00:59:42
I mean this is we're not making any motions, right? Yes. No motion. OK, say I just, I was just say this work with a developer 00:59:47
because uh. 00:59:50
I know there was some back and forth and on that. 00:59:55
Salt Lake City has a reverse angled UH. 00:59:59
I can dig up a contact to Salt Lake City on that's for you. And you could just you could talk to one of their planners directly. 01:00:02
Again. 01:00:12
Was the traffic study that they did that that Hale's engineering called Ford, Ford and England parking that that the developer 01:00:14
here then? Yeah, yeah, that's fine. So yeah, going forward it will be this forward angled parking. Okay. Well, since we have a lot 01:00:20
of other things to go around just I just suggest contacting with those Mississippi Valleys. I mean, it might be the worst thing 01:00:26
since apple pie. 01:00:32
Or becon π. Actually, I don't know how people get pecan pies. 01:00:39
But. 01:00:44
And if it doesn't work, it doesn't work. Whatever. 01:00:47
All right, cool. I got nothing. Anyone got questions? Eric, Sir. 01:00:48
A couple of just quick comments. The pathway seems like it's ending on the West side there. 01:00:52
Is on the Northwest side the. 01:01:02
Trail. 01:01:05
Seems like it's kind of justice ending right there. Is there a reason that that's ending and not continuing all the way out to? 01:01:07
I probably didn't mention that in my comments, but because of that, because this is Central Center Street, so because we have the 01:01:15
trail on the other side of the Center Street road on the north side, it would have to be an intersection that crosses Center St. 01:01:23
Right there. I mean across. 01:01:30
You know, OK, I just want to see that some kind of connection there. So it's not just a dead end. Yeah, it's part of the comments 01:01:33
that I'm sending over. And then the other thing with the Planning Commission with all of this parking on Vineyard Rd. 01:01:40
We wanted to see some kind of landscaping. 01:01:47
Between the parking and. 01:01:50
The parcels, because they're tearing out a bunch of trees. 01:01:52
Pretty well established, so we want to see something that's. 01:01:56
Well established. 01:01:59
Yeah. Thank you. 01:02:01
Comments. We did request that they provide some more information about their landscaping, which included, you know, the size, 01:02:04
trees and. 01:02:08
Also breaking up the parking with some of these things, yeah. And this kind of talking about sidewalks, the sidewalks that go into 01:02:12
the neighborhood, like for example. 01:02:16
When it turns off the new Vineyard Rd. into the thing, into their neighborhood, that kind of just stops. 01:02:21
Kind of forcing people onto the streets. 01:02:28
That they're walking. So take a look at that and then you know, I know Patrick will. 01:02:31
Hate me for asking about this, but maybe some bulb outs, especially where the intersections are for the park. 01:02:36
Don't give you that look, Patrick. 01:02:44
I know. 01:02:46
Some area, some bull bouts. 01:02:49
For I know. I'm sorry, Patrick, I disappointed you today. 01:02:51
That's all I've got. 01:02:58
OK. All right. 01:03:00
If we want, we can briefly talk about the the bylaws. I think would be more beneficial if we did have Morgan and Chris here. Yeah, 01:03:02
they're the sitting members. I was gonna suggest that we do the bylaws when everyone's here. Yeah, I I did have one thing I just 01:03:08
wanted to throw out there and I think I mean it just brought up me today that we include some sort of bylaws in the code that we 01:03:13
will only hear an item at DRC if the applicant is present. 01:03:18
It just improves efficiency for us rather than us having to, you know, send them all of our notes and then have that back and 01:03:25
forth. Having them actually here to have that conversation I think is is vital to to having a good project physically present or 01:03:29
virtually. 01:03:34
What's that? Physically present, virtually present or either I don't care so much, but I mean I prefer in person but virtually. 01:03:39
Can can we put in the bylaws so that we can do this as a virtual meeting as well? 01:03:44
If COVID 2025 happens, then yes. 01:03:52
So just to clarify, are you saying that we should include in the bylaws that we will not discuss an iron if? 01:03:57
If the applicant is not present, then we will not discuss an issue. 01:04:06
So I just wanted to throw that out there before we. 01:04:10
Adjourn. 01:04:12
So I will add on, I'll add that to the draft and I also have a concern here. It's well, it's a suggestion. 01:04:16
Do you think it'll be a good it'll be good to make a case on? 01:04:23
Allowing Planning Commission's designee to vote because. 01:04:28
You know, considering the composition of the Planning Commission, it's a voluntary. 01:04:32
You know Commission where you have members not going to be always available. 01:04:38
To be here, especially the chair of the Commission. So if the vice chair is available, we should amend that code to be able to 01:04:42
allow for that. Since everyone else is, I would agree, so there's no discrimination. 01:04:49
Right, Bryce. 01:04:57