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CALL TO ORDER      Chair Naseem Ghandour called the meeting to order at04am.       CONSENT ITEMS   There were no consent items.           BUSINESS ITEMS  1.
Utah City PhaseFinal Plat
Senior Planner Cache Hancey noted technical difficulties before he introduced the Utah City PhaseFinal Plat. He provided details for orientation and showed the included lots. Planner Hancey introduced Brant with flagborough and discussed some concerns for street name change.
Chair Ghandour discussed how the two streets had different names, and they do not anymore.
Planner Hancey noted that the streets were not part of the recordation in the plat, however they were labeled. Cache mentioned that this will be a condition.
Chair Ghandour introduced the fire department and discussed requirements and safety concerns for one-way streets.   Planner Hancey asked if they wanted to keep that name.   Brant, representing Flagborough, said yes and noted a possibility for “Broad Street S” and “Broad Street N”.
Chair Ghandour requested simplicity in street names for public safety concerns.   Planner Hancey noted that this will be a condition of approval.
Deputy Fire Marshall Brandon Valley asked what the benefit name on both sides.   Brant responded in saying that’s it is two segments that one is north bound, and one is south bound.     Fire Marshall Valley asked for more clarification
Brant discussed the numbering of the roads and that the section between is a park.   Chair Ghandour discussed the importance of correct orientation for public safety responses.   Planner Hancey welcomed Bronson Tatton. He mentioned the concern for confusion of street naming.
Bronson Tatton, with Flagborough, asked for Brandon Valley’s perspective.   Fire Marshall Valley noted that it was the sheriff department’s concern.
Chair Ghandour mentioned that the street names would need to be addressed as a condition.
Planner Hancey noted a correction on page numbering.   Chair Ghandour added that a condition for a phasing diagram will be provided to recordation. He asked Mr. Tatton what the determination between public and private streets was.
Mr. Tatton informed the committee that they will be transferred to the public but that it is still being worked out.
Chair Ghandour asked to add a condition for the determination of public or private roads.   City Manager Eric Ellis asked what the timeline for determination in terms of construction was.   Chair Ghandour responded in saying prior to the Certificate of Occupancy issuance.
Planner Hancey noted that LotA would be for the new city hall and asked if that was correct.   Mr. Tatton said that was correct and that there were designs of city hall sitting in Civic Way but that the building will sit inA off of the utilities.
City Manager Ellis asked if there would be anything to prevent us from bridging over to the parking from an upper floor.   Planner Hancey noted there is no road betweenA andA, and he asked if there would be a paseo.   Mr. Tatton mentioned that they have not designed over there. He recognized the need for coordination.
Chair Ghandour asked to add another condition for small technical or grammatical errors to be corrected.   Planner Hancey and Chair Ghandour reviewed the recommendations. These conditions include: phasing diagram is provided prior to recordation, the private/ public road configuration agreement is made between the applicant and the city prior to a certificate of occupancy is issued, the applicant works with the Community Development Department and City Engineer to fix any addressing errors (Broad Street), the applicant fixes the sheet numbers on the plat, the applicant pays any outstanding fees, and the applicant makes any redline corrections prior to the recordation of the plat.
COMMISSIONER BRYCE BRADY MOTIONED TO APPROVE THE UTAH CITY PLAT WITH THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS AT26AM. PARKS AND RECREATION REPRESENTATIVE CARSON VANCE SECONDED. THOSE VOTING YES: ELLIS, VANCE, GHANDOUR, VALLEY, AND BRADY.
The Orchards&Final Plat     Planner Hancey presented the plat and provided a background as well as the reviewing process. He highlighted comments about parking being that it is oriented in the wrong direction.   Chair Ghandour asked for clarification.   Planner Hancey discussed the wrong angles. He also noted another condition for an addition of an easement on the east side for public access. He then briefed the plat and how the development will be used.
Building Department Representative Patricia Abdullah asked about parcels A, B, and C. She believed that the hash is not for parking, it is to represent a separate area.   Planner Hancey clarified he wants those areas to not affect parking.
Chair Ghandour asked about the greyed-out area as they can not record the plat with the “To be acquired”.   Planner Hancey noted he could add this to a condition of approval.
Chair Ghandour laid out the process for this plat as it must be recorded with the county first.   Discussion about the timeline ensued.   Planner Hancey included the Quick Claim Deed and Development Agreement to the conditions.   Chair Ghandour gave more information on what is required.   Chair Ghandour asked if the wording had been changed from “Town of Vineyard” to “Vineyard City” throughout the plat. This was added as a condition.
Fire Marshall Valley asked about access for the fire department. He commented on the lack of fire hydrants and access.   Planner Hancey referenced the site plan to provide that there will be three access points.   Chair Ghandour noted that the applicant would have to show the private roads or emergency access easements.    Conversations about fire hydrant placement ensued.   Chair Ghandour recommended to add fire department access.   Fire Marshall Valley suggested the FDC and Fire Hydrant locations.   Planner Hancey asked if he should require this prior to approval so that the applicant would have to speak with Orem Fire.
Chair Ghandour noted that the plat does not show the orientation, but he clarified that this would be on the site plan.   Chair Ghandour asked about the location for the parking stalls.   Planner Hancey noted that he thought they were private.   Planner Anthony Fletcher noted that the one on the south side is supposed to be public.   Chair Ghandour asked who it was owned by.   Planner Hancey noted he could have them include a maintenance or ownership document with information of Parcels a, b, and c on the plat.   Chair Ghandour suggested what specifics to ask for.   Planner Hancey added this to the conditions.   Bylaws were reviewed for voting purposes.
CITY MANAGER ERIC ELLIS MADE AN UPDATED MOTION TO APPROVE THE UTAH CITY PLAT WITH THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS AT50AM. FIRE MARSHALL VALLEY SECONDED. ROLL CALL FOR YES WENT AS FOLLOWS: ELLIS, VANCE, GHANDOUR, AND BRADY. PATRICIA ABDULLAH WAS ABSENT ON THE ROLL. MOTION PASSED.  2.
Planner Hancey listed the conditions of approval: public easement on the east is added, development agreement record prior to recordation, quick claim deed is recorded prior to recordation, fix “town of vineyard” error under lot drainage section as required by engineering, include internal road naming and diagram, show fire department access and determine hydrant locations per Orem Fire Department’s requirements prior to site plan approval, parking parcels along new vineyard road are configured with the approval of the community development director, include ownership and maintenance information of parcels a, b, and c on the plat.
FIRE MARSHALL VALLEY MOTIONED TO APPROVE THE ORCHARDS AT VINEYARD IN PHASEANDSUBDIVISIONS FINAL PLAT WITH THE CONDITIONS AS PRESENTED AT51AM. CITY MANAGER ELLIS SECONDED. ROLL CALL VOTE YES WENT AS FOLLOWS: ELLIS, VANCE, GHANDOUR, AND BRADY. MS. ABDULLAH WAS ABSENT IN ROLL. THE MOTION PASSED.           WORK SESSION  1.
The Orchards&Site Plan    Planner Hancey noted that the applicant was not present.
Planner Fletcher presented the comments for the applicant. This included a transportation circulation plan, which was delivered recently and needed review. He acknowledged missing sidewalks and crosswalks; he represented these on a map. More clarification is needed and there is concern about parking in the future. He also discussed roadway alignment for flow to block off a road for more parking and add safety for pedestrians.   Chair Ghandour noted that blocking it off would impede on fire safety.   Fire Marshall Valley noted some requirements to meet if that were the case.   Planner Fletcher asked if they should get in touch to gather that criteria that needs to be met.   Fire Marshall Valley said yes.   Planner Fletcher noted that it would improve parking for future build.
Planner Fletcher noted there was no lighting provided and that they need a photometric plan. He commented that the elevations need to provide the materials. There is no information on bike parking and bike racks.   Planner Fletcher emphasized that the parking is represented in the site plan.   Chair Ghandour suggested contacting other municipalities on the orientation of parking.
Commissioner Bryce Brady asked about the trail that just ends.   Planner Fletcher added that the trail is on the other side of center street so the goal is to cross and connect there; it would need a crossing at that intersection.
Commissioner Brady wanted to see landscaping between the parking and the parcels.   Planner Fletcher noted that more landscaping information was included in the comments.   Chair Ghandour commented on the sidewalk continuity and asked about bullbouts for the intersections.  2.
DRC Bylaws  Planner Hancey and Chair Ghandour agreed that it would be more beneficial to discuss bylaws with more people present.
Planner Fletcher noted that it would be good if they will only hear an item at DRC if the applicant is present.   Chair Ghandour asked if that meant physical or virtual presence.   Planner Fletcher asked for clarification.
Planner Fletcher suggested allowing planning commission designations to vote.   Planner Hancey agreed.   City Manager Ellis asked to add clarification that that designee is also on the planning commission.           STAFF, COMMISSION, AND COMMITTEE REPORTS   There were no comments made.           ADJOURNMENT
FIRE MARSHALL VALLEY MOTIONED TO ADJOURN THE MEETING AT:09AM. CITY MANAGER ELLIS SECONDED.                 MINUTES CERTIFIED COMPLETE ON:   October24     CERTIFIED (NOTICED) BY:                                                 Madison Reed, Planning Technician
We'll open this up. 00:00:01
OK, uh, and we can get started if you want. We do not have the guys from like Bronson on teams yet. Umm, we wanted to, we could go 00:00:45
with the orchard, uh, rearrange and do the orchards, umm, final platform if you want. What is it up to you. 00:00:54
Try to do an official call for a motion. That would be great. You don't have to do a motion, just call the order I called to 00:01:09
order. 00:01:13
The March 21st, 2024 Development Review Committee uh, meeting, uh, no gavel for you, sorry. 00:01:18
Alright, uh, with that being said, uh, and uh, in regards to the, uh, agenda item, uh, uh, Brad, uh, are you, you're here for 00:01:30
representing the develop, uh, the downtown development. Is that correct? Oh, you are OK. I see no reason to change the order of 00:01:37
the agenda. OK, that's fine. Alright, let's proceed as, uh, as agenda shows. 00:01:44
I'll just double check it. Yeah, they're still not online, but yeah, we can. We can get started with the top city, phase three 00:01:53
subdivision, final plat. I do apologize to everybody. 00:01:57
That, uh, still learning the software and my staff reports we're not getting uploaded to the agenda. Umm, I did make one in my 00:02:03
defense and I sent it out in the invite. We'll, we'll try to get that figured out before the next meeting. 00:02:09
Oh look at that. OK, I fixed the problem somehow. 00:02:18
OK, anyways, so, yeah, we uh, have this final plat that I'm, I'm sure you've all, uh, seen before. This is the phase three. It's 00:02:22
in the downtown mixed-use zone contains about approximately 64 acres of land and it will be comprised of 20 unique lots, 2 unique 00:02:29
partials with eight interior private St. servicing a lot. And so those are the names of the streets we have 2nd Ave. and 3rd Ave. 00:02:35
Main Street, Broad Street, typical way. 00:02:41
Charleston, Dover St. Umm, I have a breakdown of how there there's eight different blocks and within the blocks there's different 00:02:48
blocks. Umm, it'll be a lot easier if I just show you the class that you can kind of get an understanding of what I'm talking 00:02:55
about there. So you have like block 8 and then you have lots 88888 so on. 00:03:02
So in the applicant branch, is that your name? Right. So he's here representing. 00:03:10
The flagship flag borough. Umm, can I answer any questions you do have as far as planning goes our, our comments, Umm, we do have 00:03:17
a few on the street naming and I know the team will have a few comments that on that as well. We've seen prior flats for street 00:03:24
right here is named use of promenade. So, and, and I know this team might have an issue with both these streets being names the 00:03:30
same thing You have to be, uh, to be uh, fair that, uh, the prior flats that was approved and recorded had. 00:03:37
North capacity Promenade Blvd. and South capacity, uh, Promenade Blvd. So there were two distinct locally different names and I I 00:03:44
do believe that flat, although it was recorded, the streets are part of the recordation. 00:03:50
If that makes sense. It wasn't within the boundary of the the umm flat. OK, but they were labeled on there. So umm, we do have 00:03:59
that just as a conditional approval that that the applicant will work with, with the community development department and 00:04:05
engineering on on figuring out the street name issues. 00:04:12
No street or one way St. so that's. 00:04:20
If you if, yeah. So, uh, and then actually we have, uh, the fire department here as well. They can, we may be able to speak with 00:04:22
it, but the, uh, one way to just separate, but it's a different coordinate system on that. Uh, you can't make it one single there. 00:04:29
Uh, singular coordinate system. And, uh, the feedback that was given to, uh, us specifically as well from the Sheriff's Office is 00:04:37
that, uh, the two calls confusion for public safety emergency responses, Uh, this is caused confusion to them. 00:04:44
Even though they're one way streets over the separation specifically to that, Uh, so they, so the Sheriff's Office provides 00:04:52
feedback recommending not to move forward with the treatments being two things, three things, even though they're one way streets 00:05:00
found out. And then I got the, I mean, Brandon, do you have any additional on that? But that, that, that was the feedback simply 00:05:07
from the stars, uh, from, uh, the Sheriff's Office, Lieutenant, uh, Rockwell and, uh, I would agree with him on that even. 00:05:14
Effort. Too bad. 00:05:22
Do you, do you know, are they wanting to keep the name Broad Street there? 00:05:27
I don't know that we have, we reached out to the county to see with the limitations of that and, uh, in terms for, uh, public 00:05:34
works slash engineer, uh, our side and, uh, Patrick and correct me if I'm wrong either or not though, but now you can correct me. 00:05:42
Umm, is that, you know, on our side, on our side, our toler, uh, for the public works engineering, the tolerance is pretty low. 00:05:52
The threshold is pretty low. Uh, however, for public safety requirements, it needs to ensure that we don't have that. We don't 00:05:58
call that confusion, uh, because they have to make sure that it's also part of like the state, umm, uh, the response times, 00:06:03
etcetera. I think they would maybe, uh, for example, again, I want to speak for, uh, Brandon or the Sheriff's Office with your 00:06:09
favorite, my understanding. 00:06:15
On outcome to put, uh, response time is that, uh, they, they take in consideration, uh, worst case scenario, they happen to go 00:06:21
through wrong, wrong St. because of a confusion like that. What was, what would it take for them to, uh, we respond to the correct 00:06:28
address, if that, if that was the case as well. So I know there, uh, States and I won't go too long in a story, but other states, 00:06:35
they, they, they leave the actual name in the streets final approval. 00:06:42
With the with the County Sheriff's Office. So if if you have Broad Street here, unless it's down in the hypothetical arm has Broad 00:06:50
Street that that's too close of the proximity, they actually they'll actually do not they'll actually deny their meaning of the 00:06:57
street if it's too close to another even even if it's in a different jurisdiction because they look at response times and so 00:07:03
forth. So when it comes to the public safety. 00:07:09
Uh, you know, there's a high threshold and I. 00:07:17
And I would personally agree with us, having done, having served in public safety myself. 00:07:19
Yeah. All right. Yeah. So we we just have that as a condition of approval that. 00:07:27
And work with us to figure out that I think that was the biggest street name issue was the Broad St. 00:07:31
Benefit of having it be the same. 00:07:39
It's just the one way that the North street is the westbound and substrate and just to the right of that plastic square about and. 00:07:43
Because I imagine the the numbers will just be staggered. So I, I don't know what the North is. Yeah, typically, yeah, typically 00:07:54
we have. 00:07:59
238 and on this side of 236 and you can't have it on both sides, but it's still really confusing. 00:08:05
And if you look at it as a 5 foot median or a. 00:08:14
250 Canadians there's there's no. 00:08:19
Yeah. 00:08:26
I'm not sure the title on the north side. So it's almost like that center parcel doesn't exist. It's a meeting like you said and. 00:08:30
The odd numbers are on one side. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I mean, I. 00:08:42
Yeah, I understand that. So the, I mean, and I don't want, again, I don't want to speak for exactly, I don't want to speak for 00:08:48
fire department, but I mean having, I mean, I, I found my junior fire, uh, fireman's, uh, hat, uh, having two guns. Thank you. I 00:08:54
appreciate that. Umm, but also for the fact that, uh, and having done, uh, specifically emergency, uh, emergency response, uh, 00:09:00
planning and, uh, things, uh, the way that and, and the way that I understand it and the way that typically goes is that when 00:09:06
you're finance to the if. 00:09:12
The thing to consider is on here what? What if they went to the wrong thing on our streets on the South side? 00:09:47
Would they, would they be able to respond to the north side would actually have to re well, actually have to reposition themselves 00:09:52
in this case. The answer I got from the Sheriff's Office in depth would be in now on that. So there there'll be condition that 00:09:58
those streets have to be distinctively named in order to, uh, make sure that there's no confusion for public safety. At the end of 00:10:04
the day, public safety is number one priority for us and the tolerance for engineering like whatever. I mean, if it takes us an 00:10:10
extra 20 minutes to respond. 00:10:16
That's, uh, no one's gonna die. 00:10:23
Or something, but it it does that a little bit with geometry. 00:10:28
I do see that Bronson did just join the call. I don't know Bronson, if you can hear us or not. Umm. 00:10:49
We are talking about the the naming of Broad Street right here. Umm. 00:10:58
Can you hear me by chance? OK, great. Umm, yeah. We just wanted to have a conversation about Broad Street right here. Umm, Public 00:11:03
safety is concerned about having both these streets be the same thing On on the previous spot that you submitted, it showed that 00:11:10
this is going to be called the like South Utah City Promenade in the North Utah City Promenade. Is that changing completely And 00:11:16
you want it to go with Broad St. 00:11:22
Well, it was both both of the second industries were do you have any problem? But now we have the noise problem on this, but I 00:11:29
don't think uh. 00:11:34
Did you have an ointment itself? Yes, Sir. You. Yeah. Yes. You. You had? No. 00:11:40
It was North and South, yeah, the, the, I think phase two or whatever, Platt said. North and South promenade. 00:11:51
Oh, that I think that is fine. I don't think that's the problem. I don't know, right. It it just shows outside of the boundaries. 00:11:59
It has those two streets just just for reference. Yeah, I think I thought them told us that we couldn't do a North Central. 00:12:07
Brandon. Brandon there. I'm trying to see. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:12:15
What is? What's? What's inside? 00:12:25
So, umm, the main concern came from the Sheriff's Department. Umm, I, I can definitely understand their concern and why it's 00:12:29
important to have two separate names there. Umm, just to, to weed out that confusion. 00:12:35
So, yeah, so I'll start over. I, I think it's in order to move forward to brought them, if you would like, if you wish to choose 00:12:47
to move forward with us, uh, a condition will be about the two things that will have to be finalized and cleared, uh, before and 00:12:53
can be recorded. Yep. And I do have that as the very first recommendation for approval. 00:13:00
Yep, yeah. So this this would just be a recommendation that once we get that fixed, then we can get the Mylar signed and recorded 00:13:08
as the county. Umm, the other issue I did notice here was on the plat you had sheet number one of two on this page and then sheet 00:13:16
page one of two on this page. Yeah. So just a a simple correction there. 00:13:23
So that is, uh, it from the planning community development, umm, are there any other comments from, from anybody else on this 00:13:34
plat? 00:13:39
Uh, all those others talked before I saw. So Eric, Sir Carson. 00:13:47
Where on it? Anything else so? 00:13:53
OK, staff support, uh, I'll send it to you. Uh, in addition to the, uh, two conditions on the spot, I would like to add that, uh, 00:14:00
efficient diagram is being and it will will be provided as well. 00:14:06
Uh, prior to the, uh, priority reporting in the past, which should be, uh, we shouldn't hold up the recording. The process to 00:14:13
shoot names in other areas have to be fixed. 00:14:18
And also, uh, since Bronson is online, I would like to ask about, uh, where about, uh, the private growth and pecs, umm. 00:14:25
With the finalization on moving forward with the determining on the public and private, my understanding is even though that all 00:14:36
these industries are shown as private, that those streets will be public. Uh, and I have not, I have not been given any 00:14:42
information personally, uh, in the engineering department or, or an engineering public work about, uh, what the status of this is. 00:14:49
Uh, because I know that that's going to require repatting everything. 00:14:56
Uh. 00:15:05
OK. 00:15:10
I don't know what. 00:15:14
Bronson did. Did you hear that question? 00:15:17
Oh, sorry, can you proceed it? So I'll so after I asked, uh, after I asked for the condition of having phasing diagram provided 00:15:21
uh, uh, provided, uh, as a condition of according to process. Also, I was asking about the status of the public private roads and 00:15:28
PUC for the public utility. 00:15:35
TV product key telephones. 00:15:43
Sorry, I'm, I'm having a hard time hearing Yeah. So he, he's just wanting to know about the, the street. All the streets here are 00:15:50
labeled as as private roads and PUE he wants to know if that's going to remain or if it's going to be transferred to public Rd. 00:15:56
Umm, and, and what your intentions are with that. 00:16:01
I from what I'm hearing, they will still be transferred to the public, but they're still gave me with you guys gaming. Uh, Jamie's 00:16:09
not here. And last time I said, uh, I think that's my fault still being worked out. 00:16:16
OK, that's, that's my understanding that at least. So the first would go to the city and I think they're, they're negotiating the 00:16:23
back of the chief building texting on the right away. So my yeah. And uh, regardless of that right away, the right way is RDA 00:16:30
reimbursable. It's just, I don't know what will go public and what can say private. All right. So I would like to, uh, so 00:16:37
condition on, on this spot that, uh, the public service is. 00:16:44
May May is kind of determined, Uh, this is like, uh, last time I spoke to the city attorney about this. 00:16:52
There was no fast update on that. And then also the fact that I think this is going to burden on to the city and in the residence 00:16:57
as well in terms of being able to plan forward as well. And I'm not sure what your thoughts are. 00:17:06
Alright. I would simply just ask what the parameter of your suggestion would be timeline as as it pertains to the construction, Do 00:17:17
you want it a determination made prior to construction or what is your, I would say prior to the CEO? 00:17:24
OK, how would you want me to word that, uh, magically have the private public ro Rd. configuration or yeah, just a frame, at least 00:17:33
the framework. I agree as well. Something agreeable on that, umm, agreement. Agreement between New York City and the developer, 00:17:40
maybe. 00:17:46
Applicant, yeah. 00:17:54
I shouldn't be looking at my screen. Applicants and the city. Yeah. Can you stop? Yeah, I will. 00:17:57
Prior, sorry, prior to being issued so occupancy is issued. 00:18:03
OK Oh, uh. 00:18:16
The, the other thing Bronson that that Morgan did want me to bring up here on this plat is we do have lot 10A on here, which, uh, 00:18:20
he was thinking is the lot that that will be going over to the becoming the city new City Hall. Umm, and he wanted to know if this 00:18:26
is going to change at all or if this is, is right. 00:18:32
Yeah, that so my noise, that's correct. I think that there was some design on the City Hall being in civic ways. 00:18:41
Hi, I'm inside that right away that that will be public, but we we have a bunch of utilities running through there. So we don't 00:18:48
want the City Hall on top of the utilities. So you know, actually 1510 to 8, OK. 00:18:55
OK. 00:19:04
It won't worry that. 00:19:06
I have a question about that, yeah. Is there anything that would prevent us, Bronson? Is there anything that would prevent us 00:19:13
from? 00:19:16
Potentially. 00:19:20
I don't know if you would call it air, right, but having the ability to bridge over to that parking structure to the north on an 00:19:23
on an upper floor that wouldn't impede traffic or pedestrian traffic on that. 00:19:29
Is it a road or is it a? 00:19:36
If the law is on 10A, then 10 or about 13. A is just for the north and there's no Rd. Is there a Paseo between the two lots? I 00:19:39
don't know if it's been designed that far but. 00:19:45
Yeah. We, we haven't designed it over there. I don't know if you guys have put the design there. 00:19:54
Umm, it would be, I don't think it'll be a road. Umm, and there's going to definitely have to be like some coordination when, when 00:20:00
we start talking parking structures, when we get to that point, we may want to look at, I don't know if 10A has some parking 00:20:08
structures on it and then that parking structure continues up into 15 A. So that's the stuff we gotta work out in the future. 00:20:16
Perfect. OK. 00:20:25
Alright And then the all the condition I would like it doesn't it's minor technical stuff. It's just to ensure that all any 00:20:33
contact to go corrections on the. 00:20:39
On the path in terms of light curves and so forth, uh, since we're going through the name change our name destination, mm-hmm. Uh, 00:20:46
as well. But uh, yeah, those type of, uh, clamical errors out there, all types of errors are corrected prior to the point. I think 00:20:54
you have, I think you already have that listed. Yeah, I was gonna say, I think that is one of the OK. 00:21:02
Let me try this over. 00:21:11
Then that's the, that's the typical, uh, correction that's usually made, uh, as an, as an, as a, uh, high staff administrative 00:21:14
change anyway. So Yep. 00:21:18
So these recommendations over here as well as well, I think the only additional 1. 00:21:24
Probably things probably a good thing to do is like when you get the fix the the case number package, you just say fix case 00:21:34
numbers and other other graphical slash technical errors. Yeah, we could. I could change that. Yeah, that's like I have a cancel. 00:21:39
But like I said. 00:21:45
OK, again, the before the DRC, let's form, let's formally do the plot. That was something that staffers would handle with the 00:21:52
developers anyway. So any grammatical and technical, technical. 00:21:59
Technical too broad, umm, probably it's too broad. I mean we do have that they they meet all the county requirements and they make 00:22:06
any red line corrections. That's good. Yeah, red line correction. OK then we'll it's just yeah. I mean I think we caught a couple 00:22:14
uh, like numbers that were just off this by by tab nothing big OK yeah. And and not once again we can conclude in that they have 00:22:21
to call the address thing as well as the yeah, those are those I mean those things just for mainly programs to understand. 00:22:28
Those are the things that we would typically work with this. 00:22:36
Developers engineer on the side even after it's been approved by City Council before the recording of the class. This is a staff 00:22:39
level. 00:22:43
So I'm not sure how detailed we have to go to these things right now. 00:22:49
We should begin with with these, uh, OK, this is both by person or is this a Yeah. 00:22:55
I can make a motion. Yeah. Motion has to. Yeah. I move to approve the Utah City phase three final plat with the contingent as 00:23:03
presented here. Do you want me to read the conditions? Umm, you shouldn't need to. I can include them in a minute. OK. Second 00:23:09
that. Cool. All right. Roll call, though. 00:23:15
All right, do that. 00:23:23
I, I I. 00:23:28
OK. Thank you. 00:23:34
I'm going to. 00:23:38
No, so our new, our new policies, it'll just go through DRC and then once we make these, these corrections, we can get it signed 00:23:46
by my large sign. Yep, no longer goes to the City Council. Exactly. So we're out to this, right, Your information, uh, you get to 00:23:53
listen to my voice for to go on and on and on. 00:23:59
Maybe a little too long. Dealer dealer dealer. 00:24:06
Yeah, you got that. 00:24:11
Cash. I don't understand that. Oh, yeah. 00:24:15
I think that's post 2000. That's definitely way post 2000 is it not? 00:24:19
Oh no, that's crazy. 2000, yeah, yeah, that's 95. 00:24:24
Doesn't mean I like it. 00:24:29
Are we doing Orchard 7 and 8 now? Yep. So Orchard 7-8 is gonna be the next item on here and we have final class. Yeah. Thanks, 00:24:33
Bronson. 00:24:39
OK. 00:24:48
Yeah, yeah. 00:24:51
And I don't believe that, uh, Karen is here with, uh, in tech, uh, Michaelson's company, umm, representing this, umm, I'll, I'll 00:24:56
run through this plat. So this is the, the property shown here just on the, the South side of the Center Street bridge. It's where 00:25:04
the development agreement was just approved for the live work unit. Umm, So this is a plat to record those, those properties. 00:25:12
Umm, it's approximately 2 acres of land. It's gonna hold 81 unique costs and three partials. It allows for phases 7 and eight of 00:25:20
the orchards development. We reviewed it. Umm, there's no. 00:25:26
Large issues with with the plat umm, we do have some concerns on the plat on the parking on new vineyard Rd. They they just have 00:25:32
like these parcels laid out and they appear to be going the wrong direction if it's going to be normal angled parking like this 00:25:41
angle right here is incorrect. Umm so you have a request that they work with staff on fixing that issue. So I'm sorry. 00:25:49
That's shown as reverse correct? And it shouldn't be it's. It's supposed to be normal. 00:25:58
Pulling angle, not reversed angle. Yeah, I know there's a lot of back and forth on that in terms of like, uh, I'm trying to make, 00:26:04
I'm trying to figure out what was the termination. I think the development agreement, uh, stated it would be normal. I think there 00:26:10
were concerns about the safety of, of reverse angle. 00:26:15
And so they, they change it, but once again, it's a condition that we can, we can re examine the development agreement and if it 00:26:22
does state that, umm, but as you can see, like this angle, right? What's the concern that developers concern? Or was it, uh, it 00:26:27
was City Council? 00:26:32
OK, yeah, so, but regardless, all these parking have just these weird angles that it looks like it could work for yeah. So we just 00:26:38
want them to, to acknowledge that and work with, work with us on that. Umm, and then the other, uh, condition that we did want to 00:26:45
add is that they do add an easement along the, uh, east side that they said they were working with us on umm, to there's, there's 00:26:53
a trail right here and some parking and we wanna make sure that we have, uh, some. 00:27:00
Public access to that. 00:27:08
So I believe those are all the comments. I can go over the the plot real quick. Umm, so it does have all of these uh, these 00:27:11
townhome buildings. They will be the live work units where the ground floor will be like a retail space. So it'd be something like 00:27:17
a Barber shop or umm, a tax office, something like that. Umm, it does have the future potential to have like a, a Co working space 00:27:23
right here. This building building E. It is not going through the site plan process right now. Umm, but once again, it, it'll be 00:27:29
used by this community. 00:27:35
By the HOA, umm in a way that if somebody has a business there and they need like a larger conference room, they'd be able to have 00:27:41
that there. Kind of a different take on HOA clubhouse. 00:27:46
Umm, and then over on the east side, we do have, like I said, there's some parking with that trail and then there will be umm, 00:27:52
some space for some community gardens as well. Umm, and then, and, and a lot of this will come through with, with the site plan 00:27:59
in, in the coming weeks. I think we're actually gonna do the work session here in a minute on it. So we don't have to get too into 00:28:06
details on the, the site plan itself. Umm, but that. Can I send another question? Yeah. 00:28:12
Umm, so persons AB and C Is that the same thing? That just seems to be. That just seems to be a hash mark. 00:28:21
Umm, to knowing that it's different property based off of the lessons. I don't think that's noting that it's a clerking or that 00:28:27
that parking is taking One Direction the building B No, no. Oh, oh, partially. 00:28:34
Hash marks. Did you know that there's second properties, right? 00:28:43
You'll see that this this is hash marks, right? Right. But even then, the like angles would be up for the parking regardless. 00:28:54
I just, I, I think this, I was talking to Patrick about this a few days ago. Was it you that I was that they just looked odd for 00:29:05
what they're planning on doing according to the site plan. I can show you the site plan. Well, I think what the person was saying 00:29:12
is that the lines are not actually showing the parking cells, right? Yeah, No, no, I yeah, yeah, I, I totally acknowledge that. 00:29:20
But as you can see here on their site plan, you have this angle going up to the left, this angle going up to the left. And then. 00:29:27
Over here on the plat you have the angle going to the left and then over here an angle going to the right that might not. 00:29:34
Fit this parking like it would cut right here. So we just want to make sure that that parking is within that parcel. 00:29:43
If that makes any sense. 00:29:54
Correct. 00:29:59
Correct. Yeah. 00:30:03
Any questions I can try to answer and like I said I know the applicant isn't here so it's hard to. 00:30:10
For me that's everything, but I have questions, I'll work others out for me. 00:30:15
Now let's start there. Well, I guess my question on this is looking at this and umm, was, uh, when during the review, I apologize 00:30:22
if I didn't, uh, provide my comments, Uh, but, uh, area on the 1st sheets, this is to be acquired. That's, uh, grayed out. I 00:30:29
don't, uh, so the test is actually record this process itself. So the accounting provides feedback on if that would be allowed on 00:30:36
which part if you ship, if you go to umm. 00:30:42
The skipper page to the right, upper right of the. 00:30:50
That's a loss where it has all the Gray Gray out of the area with the notes is to be acquired. I'm not sure if that's legally 00:30:53
allowed. OK, I can I can have them clarify that Yeah, and then enter it. So they would have what they would have to do is they 00:31:01
would have to show the actual parcels itself broken out If that's owned by again that's owned by the safety acquires terminate 00:31:08
that may have to be done before the condition that that's done before the yeah, I I do believe the kind of the lo the story. 00:31:16
Umm, then I believe accountable denied. 00:31:55
Umm, I mean we could take it as soon as this afternoon if it's approved, but we can wait just depending on even if. 00:32:00
Reference should be signed and ready for information early next. Yeah, OK. Uh, yeah. So we we can put that as as a condition of 00:32:08
approval, I think. Yeah, I think we're good The land the condition approvals at this time won't be recorded without the company 00:32:16
documents for the change for the doc for that. So OK, because I I if I'm not mistaken accounting we'll probably just I believe you 00:32:23
can't accept those documents. So you have right Yeah. So what you have to happen is that the quick claim to you. 00:32:30
Has to be provided to counties first so that so that recording number is smaller than the recording number of the file. So it 00:32:38
shows so in in the records, it shows the order of the re uh, the recording right. So we have the same issue. They, they have the 00:32:44
development agreement that is approved, but that hasn't been recorded either. So that's another condition that we have yeah yeah 00:32:50
that's, that's just the technicality stuff. You can record the class without the quick run games haven't been in the system first 00:32:55
yeah. 00:33:01
And then I, I don't believe that having there's going to be acquired should, uh, should have within change. 00:33:08
OK. 00:33:24
Yeah, yeah. So that that's the, I have the quick claim details recorded prior to your recommendation. Yeah. 00:33:26
Did we get the comments to change talent vendor to me on the plot throughout? I can do that, yeah. 00:33:42
I'm OK, darling, change it back to the talent. Can we make that motion? No. 00:33:51
Yeah. So yeah, I mean it's kind of like a technicality there's I mean there's some parcel that still shows. So if you're trying to 00:34:00
see like the technical it's a part of the of the county records show count of the news they require still use town of vineyards. 00:34:06
However other areas of the plot on this process for example, larger energy is as approving required by account of junior. Where 00:34:12
does it say that? 00:34:18
Treatment versus yeah, it has to be finished today. 00:34:25
Where? Where does it stay? If you go under lots of drainage on the bottom. You have to load down here right next to Acceptance of 00:34:28
Leslie. 00:34:33
Oh yeah, and like everywhere else, you know. Yeah, exactly. I mean, if, if it's a kind of being here, because that's what's 00:34:39
referenced as a parcel, umm, legally on the, uh, on the county map, that would be acceptable because what is this doing is just 00:34:45
referencing another legal designation. 00:34:50
I mean, obviously, hopefully all those things change with accounting in the future, but at least in every other reference where, 00:34:56
uh, where there's just, uh, there's a name is that the venue city staff will, you know, do XY doing. 00:35:05
OK. 00:35:16
Umm, I did have a question on this, uh, it sounds like it's going to be, uh, residential over commercial, yeah, mixed-use. And so, 00:35:17
umm, I mean, my concerns are always the same concerns, which is access for the fire department and, you know, mess to get in. And, 00:35:24
uh, if with it being commercial on the bottom, they're gonna have feces and risers and that kind of stuff. And on this, on the 00:35:31
platinum that I've been given, there's no hybrid locations. 00:35:38
Yeah, any real access, you know, determining how to get to buildings. 00:35:47
Uh, DG and I and N. 00:35:57
Umm, just the way they are from a road, just making sure that they meet the requirements. OK, yeah, I could have them clarify the 00:36:01
the road structure in the spot. If if we do look at the site plan, you know, there is the act three different access points in 00:36:08
there. So the the plat does not show that so I can have them and I haven't seen. 00:36:14
I haven't seen that version. Yeah. So and, and we're we're gonna be going over this. This is the site plan. We're gonna be doing 00:36:21
that as a work session today to kinda get more into the details. I mean, we can have a brief work session. Since they're not here, 00:36:28
it might not be beneficial. So OK, so we have to show the part of those as well. Like, so for example, she's one where this shows 00:36:34
like the public, the public road. And then it has the lines as a name kinda strongly like. 00:36:40
In between the buildings, the three buildings, they would say like private road there. 00:36:47
Let me just double check that they have not uploaded. They don't have private road. At the very least, they should have a, uh, 00:36:52
easement for a fire, uh, a few emergency, emergency ox yeah, Mercy, uh, access easement because what I'll do is I'll prevent any 00:36:58
kind of blockage of that area. So they, so they won't be able to like, uh, Barracuda, uh, or anything that I've got that was block 00:37:04
emergency vehicle. 00:37:10
Yeah, that is the the latest plat that I'm seeing on their permit. Yeah. So they would just need to show private growth or, and 00:37:21
then they would also, uh, or if not really, umm, emergency action season, uh, designated OK. The fire department doesn't have to 00:37:27
worry that there's a copy failure in place there. 00:37:33
OK, so include. 00:37:39
Road naming and diagram internal roads yeah, include internal. Does that help you Rd. It does. Uh, one of the concerns is just 00:37:43
that, uh, on a, another project we ran into the where we, there was an approval on the initial plat and then when it came time for 00:37:51
umm, the deferred middle of the sprinkler system, the hydrants have been placed in the location that it wasn't commutative with 00:37:58
their FTC locations. And so I'm just trying to what do you wanna see? 00:38:06
Our hydrant location on the plat. 00:38:13
I don't even know if. 00:38:17
A lot of it determined is determined by the architect. Wherever they place the FEC's that would determine where they're, you know, 00:38:22
it's kind of that initial planning process normally taken care of by the architect. It's just how to get them on the same page so 00:38:29
that they're thinking about it now, so it doesn't come up later as a a cut off guard kind of a thing or extra, umm, you know, just 00:38:36
the customer service aspect. So they're not cut off the part of the condition that they're interior, interior private. 00:38:43
Which are conditioned on fire department, uh, final approval. 00:38:50
That's why like because I think the, the main road, like using the road on the outside just goes both won't change, but maybe then 00:38:54
your interior, uh, Rd. access and maybe the light, the sci-fi may change just to take on the fire. Yeah and you might even just 00:39:01
put the show fire department access and uh. 00:39:09
Determine FEC location. 00:39:18
Near hydrant locations. You know what I mean? Like the requirement of 100 feet. OK, sure. Something so that. 00:39:22
I could include something like that. They have to to determine the vigent locations prior to the site plan approval and that way 00:39:30
they have to have a conversation with you first. Yeah, that would be that would be great. OK. We're more than happy to help them 00:39:36
and whichever way we can. 00:39:41
Super forum fire. 00:39:57
OK. 00:40:10
Any other comments or anything? 00:40:14
Uh, the parcel, I mean, excuse me, yeah. This part doesn't show like whether it could be reversed angled or front angled. So I 00:40:19
think that's the, that's the value on the side plan, right Yeah. So that I don't yes. I don't think we need to make any interest 00:40:27
on this one. So, and like I said, just to make sure that the parking lots don't overlap. That's fine. I, I, I, yeah. 00:40:34
Let me check to make sure to be uh. 00:40:49
Nothing that's good. 00:40:54
Right, OK, I think that's everything. Sorry. Yeah, I I started the new site plan, so again, OK. 00:40:57
I'm good with it. Uh, I don't have any other comments. 00:41:04
So. 00:41:09
Bronze. Do you have anything, Sir? Alright, so. 00:41:13
I'm I'm ready for a motion cash. You think? Let me just figure out this last. 00:41:16
Let's see. 00:41:25
Oh, I yeah, I did have one other question. Now, just remember the the parking stalls, are those in the private right away or 00:41:28
public right away? They don't show and they, and when I looked at the note there, there's no designation of this parcel. 00:41:35
ABC is is owned and maintained by public. I do believe that they are private. Do you have you seen anything in the site finance 00:41:44
made on? 00:41:49
One on the South side. 00:41:55
The one on the East Green Rd. East Junior Rd. Yeah. 00:42:01
Those ones are. 00:42:07
It's mentioned. I don't have any information on here. Yeah, the public par if it's considered public parking, like is it owned by 00:42:13
the Vigner city or is it owned by the by the developer or the HOA? 00:42:19
And I can have them include like a maintenance or ownership stock parcel ABC. Yeah. So yeah, I would typically just add it. They 00:42:25
can add another table. So when they do parcels when they're out, but when they're, uh, designed a parcel A, parcel B, parcel C, 00:42:32
and then there should be company table to say parcel A and then the description parcel A, uh, park part, uh, parking stalls, uh, 00:42:38
and then. 00:42:45
Owned owned by. It could be owned by HOA, owned by cities and maintained. So sometimes there there's like a ownership and slash 00:42:53
maintenance like for example. 00:42:57
Your landscaping maintenance or season your, uh, on your exterior of your, uh, uh, under exterior of the, uh, like the wall here 00:43:02
exterior boundary walls to be in. It may say like owned by city, uh, maintained landscaping maintained by HLA. And then this way 00:43:09
it kind of interests into like a little agreement, OK. And, and it might, it may be in a development agreement. At least no one 00:43:16
ever reads development agreements after reports this, this is like an easy touch in your face. 00:43:24
OK. Yeah. So I'll include ownership and maintenance information of parcels AB and C on the platform. Thank you. 00:43:31
That was everything. OK, So, uh, let's make a motion to approve the conditions. I also just realized I don't believe that we allow 00:43:38
proxy voting. So I don't think it by logs allow it. We have done by laws yet, so maybe we'll have to. Well, yeah, the current code 00:43:44
doesn't make a motion to I make a motion that we allow proxy building. We're we're gonna maybe discuss bylaws in a motion to make. 00:43:51
That's right now. 00:43:57
I I don't think so. It's OK, I motion to allow taxi building. 00:44:05
Uh, as far as a condition of the of the last day until, until the bylaws are established. 00:44:09
I I we don't have gaming here so tell me if that's illegal. 00:44:17
We we don't need the proxy voting. We don't. We have, we have our sitting members, we have a second of the proxy building. 00:44:23
Uh, Bryce is not a sitting member. He's filling in for pay. Oh, there we go. So. 00:44:31
Wouldn't end for for. 00:44:36
Let me. 00:44:42
Talking bye. 00:44:46
I think we approve a temporary allowance. 00:44:49
I'm afraid that. 00:44:55
They might not, but. 00:44:58
If that's the case, then I motion there be adjourned. 00:45:02
Let me see what was written, It's been a while since I've looked at this. 00:45:07
I thought that it said somebody could ask him to sit in there then so. 00:45:19
It doesn't say anything about that. Just as a designee, it says. 00:45:39
Then they're designated. Yeah, Yeah, he's good. Yeah, I think, I think we're OK. 00:45:43
Does it say that for all of them or I know I said it for the planning one? Uh, no. So the, it says the DSC consists of seven 00:45:51
members, the chair and the Planning Commission or the chair of the Planning Commission, city manager, the fire Marshall designee 00:45:57
and the heads of departments of building, community development, engineering and parks and rec or their designee. So maybe just 00:46:03
not Planning Commission gets the design, not yet in the new bylaws. That's what they do, but. 00:46:08
Does everybody interpret that right the same way? Yeah. OK, so you do get a so that being said, uh, with my since I was the one 00:46:15
that made the most probably yeah, we should redo the motion for the I'm good with not doing that. I I understand you're good, but 00:46:23
we gotta cross our T's and daughter eyes. 00:46:30
I'm on motion if you wanna bring up the conditions again that make it easy. Yeah, yeah. 00:46:40
Let me pull that up. Sorry about this. We're still trying to figure out the whole new VRC, you know? 00:46:49
OK. 00:46:57
Uh, Patty, I don't know if you heard that, but I, I believe you did a vote because your designee, I can, I can make. 00:46:59
A an updated motion on Utah City Phase three. OK, so I move to approve Utah City phase three final plat with conditions as 00:47:08
presented. 00:47:12
I'm taking the motion. 00:47:21
We have a second on that motion to roll call vote. We'll call those Eric Aye, Carson, myself, I. 00:47:23
And and Patty Patricia. 00:47:32
Uh, maybe she's not **** comical. 00:47:37
Actually we can say absent on this or not. 00:47:42
Getting feedback from her. 00:47:47
That's still foremost. 00:47:50
Alright, so so the motion is passed now. Now we can move on to Orchard seven and eight. Yeah, that'd be good. Does anyone need 00:47:53
cash to read all the conditions or I can read them for the record? Just to clarify where we're at, go for 7-8 final flat. Here are 00:48:01
the conditions of approval. Public easement on the east is added. The development agreement is recorded prior to recommendation. 00:48:08
The quick claim deed is required prior to recordation. They should fix Town of Vineyard error under the. 00:48:16
Training section as required by engineering. Include internal Rd. Naming and diagram show fire department access and determine 00:48:23
hydrant locations per Orange Fire Department's requirements prior to site plan approval. Parking parcels along new Vineyard are 00:48:29
conceded with approval of the Community Development Director and include ownership and maintenance information of partials AB and 00:48:35
C on the class. 00:48:41
I move to approve the orchards at Vineyards phase seven and seven. 00:48:50
Umm subdivision final plat with the condition. 00:48:55
Oh sorry, 7 and 8 subdivisions, flat final plat with the conditions as presented. 00:48:59
2nd, So we have a motion with a second, so we'll call the current cache. We'll call those Eric, Sir Carson, I, myself, I. 00:49:08
Patricia. 00:49:21
Patricia, are you still here on us by chance? 00:49:23
Can you hear us I can hear you might have gotten a phone call or something that makes Kinsley the next dozen days then message me 00:49:27
saying she was the OK Yeah that's what item is good. She acted so he wasn't feeling well she. 00:49:39
Asked if he wanted if he wanted her to go. That's fine. I we can with his absence. OK. I'm sorry. OK. Bye. Yeah. 00:49:52
All right, for that passed and uh, so we approved and move on to. 00:50:00
OK. Yeah. When we, we can make this one fairly quick. We'll we'll turn it over to Anthony if you have the quick share by chance or 00:50:03
I can pull up the site plan if if that's easiest. 00:50:07
OK, let me. 00:50:13
And add it to the final part. OK, there's a certain page you want to umm. 00:50:20
And really, if, if, since the applicant ended here, it might be easiest to, to just do a brief review of this just to let you all 00:50:32
know kind of what, what's coming down the pipeline on this site plan. Umm, but it's really beneficial they were here so they can 00:50:38
hear these comments and, and I'll just. 00:50:43
You you can just use my computer. 00:50:49
Give me a second. 00:50:53
Yeah, so it'll be easier. 00:51:02
I. 00:51:19
Thank you. 00:51:32
All right, so here are a few comments that. 00:51:34
Uh, was shared with, umm, with a developer for the, with the applicant. And that's pretty much very basic because they're not 00:51:42
here. I'm not gonna go into like stepwise things, just a few things that call out, but I'd like to call out. Umm, was that we, the 00:51:49
development agreement required that they, uh, prepare a transportation circulation, uh, plan which was delivered was literally 00:51:57
submitted to us yesterday. So that is, umm, something that would have to. 00:52:04
Reviewed by us, UMM to see if it meets whatever needs that, uh, whatever requirements that umm supposed to meet umm. 00:52:12
There were a few missing sidewalks and cross, uh, walks on the plan and I can show you that right now. So on this side, it was 00:52:23
like, you know, you can't really tell because this, this is gonna be a dog park. There's nothing here showing that connection. 00:52:31
There's no crosswalks around these areas as well linking the sidewalks. 00:52:39
Umm, you know, and it's pretty much through the entire site, No, umm, crosswalks indicated. 00:52:49
On all these areas also. 00:53:01
This was not fully indicated in the plan because it was going to be a, a structure or this park installed. So we're not sure what 00:53:07
that's gonna be from the plan. So we need them to at least clarify that as well. This is not included. It's not part of the site 00:53:13
plan approval. It's being considered for the future. Umm, However, I have a concern about parking for that in the future if they 00:53:19
decide to move forward. 00:53:25
What are the plans to move to, you know? 00:53:31
To contain parking for A2 story building, uh, office building umm. Currently there are no issues with the parking, however uh, the 00:53:36
recommendation to break up this long number of cars installed umm with uh. 00:53:44
Uh, with a, with a landscape in Ireland, somewhere in there, we can firmly reduce some of this and just, uh, split it up a little 00:53:55
bit to make, you know, make it not look like a giant sea of parking. 00:54:01
And. 00:54:08
On this side as well does that does that consideration to possibly because looking at how the plan again would have to go through 00:54:11
that speculation plan that they shared with us, but they based on the plan review besides my review, we're thinking they could 00:54:18
even block out this entrance. 00:54:24
Because it does not even line up with this one right and. 00:54:33
Looking at a code reference, the code reference that. 00:54:38
Says, uh, right here. 00:54:42
1538.0 Thirty .1. 00:54:53
OIX and that pretty much. 00:55:00
Umm talked about the fact that when development or when finding out these sites, it has to consider a different, umm, entrances to 00:55:05
other sites as well, or surrounding sites to make sure that at least it's, you know, there's a free flow like it is in this case 00:55:11
where there's going to be a good intersection. Umm, I could have, you know, in interaction with, uh, engineering, they have no 00:55:17
issue with. 00:55:24
Just being a hazard because this road is supposed to be 25 mph. 00:55:31
So it's supposed to be slow. However, it'll do us some good if this is blocked off. 00:55:36
Uh, to me, that condition in the code and that would also add on to parking. And so far it doesn't look like it's going to affect 00:55:43
umm, the movement through the site is actually going to make it safer for pedestrians if that is considered. 00:55:52
You don't mind? Sure, if you don't mind me interjecting, but blocking it off may cause empty on the fire safety. 00:56:02
Entrance on that. OK, OK. Again that only provides. 00:56:11
Yeah, they need 2 accesses in and out. 00:56:19
So I don't. I don't know if that would be allowed. 00:56:23
Yeah. So that's the Nexus here as well. Where so, Oh, I see that. I see that one and two. So that's out of size the two axis. 00:56:28
Yeah, but here, I mean it's going to work. 00:56:35
Just have to be like over, OK. 00:56:44
100 people OK. And he just stated that there would be there might be some other criteria that the technical criteria needs so. 00:56:49
OK. 00:56:57
So, umm, what? What do you want me to get in touch with you later on just to get those information, like the criteria that needs 00:56:59
to be met? Yeah, yeah, we can probably discuss that later. Yeah, yeah. 00:57:05
And again, if the DRC is not in favor of this being blocked out, that should work as well. But it's a comment that's worth, I put 00:57:11
it in there, something that's worth considering. 00:57:16
Umm, because I would add on to the par parking that could help with the future plan of this, you know, two-story office building 00:57:22
if they decide to move forward with it. Umm, generally they're just a few other things. There's a spot that could also, you know, 00:57:28
have maybe 1 or 288 parking styles in there. 00:57:35
Without an issue. Umm, going back to my comments. 00:57:44
There's no lighting provided. We need a photometric plan for the entire development. There's nothing provided, so we can't tell if 00:57:51
the parking areas have been well, you know, planned to be well list or not. And the entire site in general. Umm, a few comments 00:57:58
here for the elevations. Umm, you know, we need them to pretty much provide that material specification document that has been 00:58:05
referenced in the. 00:58:12
The five times that they provided, there's also no information showing anything on bike parking. 00:58:20
Umm, on the site plan, so I put that in the comments to be umm, provided as well. And you know, bike, bike racks should be 00:58:28
provided. Looking at this uh, magnitude of this umm, development, the biker actually provided at least 50 feet uh, from each of 00:58:35
these buildings. 00:58:41
So we're looking ahead and having at least 4 park installed umm bike parking racks throughout the development. 00:58:49
4 racks that have up to about three of them. 00:58:59
It'll take about 3 bikes. So that's these are the main comments. They've been shared with the applicants and we're hoping to hear 00:59:04
back from them and we can probably revisit this if they're they're able to. 00:59:11
A response to these comments with no issues. 00:59:18
Cool. 00:59:22
And also, I just wanted to touch on the handgun parking we're talking about earlier in the plat. This just shows angled Ford 00:59:24
parking. 00:59:28
It does not show the the reverse point. So we might wanna I I don't know if it's too late to change or I meant that motion, but I 00:59:34
was just a condition on that. I mean, this is we're not making any motions, right? Yes, no motion. OK, so I just I would just say 00:59:42
this book was a developer because I know there's some back and forth and on that. 00:59:50
Fall like survey has a reverse angle. Uh, I can dig up a contact to Salt Lake City. I'll ask for you and you can just, you can 01:00:00
talk to one other planets directly. 01:00:05
Again, was the traffic study that they did that that hailed engineering called for Ford and angle parking that that developer 01:00:13
here, there? Yeah, yeah, that's fine. So that yeah, going forward it will be this board angled parking. OK. Well, since we're, 01:00:21
since we have a lot of other things to go around, I just suggest contacting. Sure. 01:00:29
I mean it might be the worst thing for example or beconti actually I don't know how people use compi but. 01:00:37
And if it doesn't work, it doesn't work. 01:00:47
Circle I have nothing. Anyone got questions? Eric Sir? 01:00:49
A couple of just quick comment. 01:00:53
Yeah, alright. The pathway, uh, seems like it's ending on the website. There is on the northwest side the umm, trail. 01:00:56
Seems like it's kind of just ending right there. Is there a reason that that's ending and not continuing all the way out to? 01:01:08
So I probably did not mention that in my comments, but umm, because of that, because this is Central Center Street, so because we 01:01:14
have the trail on the other side of the Center Street road on the left side, there would have to be an intersection that crosses 01:01:21
Center Street right there. OK. I mean, umm, across, umm, you know, OK. I just want to see that some kind of connection there. So 01:01:29
it's not just a dead end. Yeah. It's part of the comments that I and then the other thing with the Planning Commission. 01:01:36
Uh, with all of this, uh, parking on Vineyard Rd. uh, we wanted to see some kind of landscaping between the parking and the 01:01:44
parcels because they're carrying out a bunch of trees that are pretty well established. So we want to see something that's well 01:01:49
established. 01:01:55
Yeah, thank you, uh, comments. You did, uh, request that they provide some more information about the landscaping, which included, 01:02:02
umm, you know, the size trees and also breaking up the parking with some of these things. Yeah. And that's kind of talking about 01:02:08
sidewalks, the sidewalks that go into the neighborhood. Like for example, umm, when it turns off in, uh, new vineyard grows into 01:02:15
the thing, into their neighborhood, that kind of just stops. 01:02:21
Kind of forcing people into the street. 01:02:29
As they're walking out, take a look at that and then you know, I know Patrick will. 01:02:31
Thank you for asking about this, but maybe some uh, bulb out? Especially where the intersections are with the park. 01:02:37
Don't tell me that look OK. 01:02:45
I know. 01:02:47
So I know. I'm sorry, doctor, at this point you try. 01:02:52
That's our God, OK? 01:02:59
That back and forth, having them actually here to have that conversation, I think is, is vital to, to having a, a good project 01:03:32
physically. What's that physically present, virtually present or either I, I don't care so much, but I mean, I prefer in person, 01:03:38
but virtually can, can we play the bylaws so that we can do this as a personal meeting as well? 01:03:44
If if COVID 2025 happens, then yes. 01:03:52
So just to clarify, are you saying that we should include in the bylaws that we will not discuss the nation? If the applicant is 01:03:59
not present, then we will not discuss an issue? 01:04:04
So I just wanted to throw that out there before we adjourn. 01:04:11
I will, I will add on, I'll add that to the draft. And I also have a concern here. Well, it's a suggestion. Do you think we, it 01:04:17
would be a good to make a case on allowing planning permissions? There's a need to vote because, you know, considering the 01:04:25
composition of the Planning Commission, it's a voluntary, uh, umm, you know, Commission where you have members. 01:04:32
Not going to be always available to be here, especially, uh, the chair of it, of the Commission. So if the vice chair is 01:04:41
available, they should amend that code to be able to, umm, allow for that since everyone else I, I would agree. So there's no 01:04:46
discrimination, right, Bryce? 01:04:52
I'll probably be the one that most of these meetings at my first so, so we would probably have that part of umm, the thing that 01:05:01
needs to be amended in the code. Can I could we? 01:05:07
Maybe just add the clarification that whoever that design is, they are also on the Planning Commission, yes. 01:05:14
So it has been what the, the amendment I'm requesting for is actually in the bylaws that I, I have here right now for its 01:05:22
membership. So when you look at the membership we have. 01:05:29
Planning Commission or designee city manager. Unfortunately, you don't. You don't have it as many, but. 01:05:38
Everyone else does so. 01:05:47
So, so yeah, we, we can go further discussion on these bylaws when we get the, the full team. Yeah, everybody here. Cool. So 01:05:52
that's, that's all that we have on the agenda. OK, appreciate your, uh, all the work you guys here. Alright, well, hopefully get a 01:05:59
little bit, you know, working a lot smoother in the coming weeks as we figure out the full software and everything. 01:06:07
Cool. Alright, well, is there a motion to, uh, get out here? 01:06:15
Motion to adjourn. Oh yeah, first. 01:06:19
Second, yeah, OK, thank you guys for first and 2nd uh, do we need, we'll call this or can we just no, I don't even think you need 01:06:26
a motion. All right, so we are done. Boom, boom, boom. See you guys. Thanks for joining online. 01:06:32
Well. 01:06:41
Yeah. 01:06:49
Anthony is going to know about. 01:06:51
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We'll open this up. 00:00:01
OK, uh, and we can get started if you want. We do not have the guys from like Bronson on teams yet. Umm, we wanted to, we could go 00:00:45
with the orchard, uh, rearrange and do the orchards, umm, final platform if you want. What is it up to you. 00:00:54
Try to do an official call for a motion. That would be great. You don't have to do a motion, just call the order I called to 00:01:09
order. 00:01:13
The March 21st, 2024 Development Review Committee uh, meeting, uh, no gavel for you, sorry. 00:01:18
Alright, uh, with that being said, uh, and uh, in regards to the, uh, agenda item, uh, uh, Brad, uh, are you, you're here for 00:01:30
representing the develop, uh, the downtown development. Is that correct? Oh, you are OK. I see no reason to change the order of 00:01:37
the agenda. OK, that's fine. Alright, let's proceed as, uh, as agenda shows. 00:01:44
I'll just double check it. Yeah, they're still not online, but yeah, we can. We can get started with the top city, phase three 00:01:53
subdivision, final plat. I do apologize to everybody. 00:01:57
That, uh, still learning the software and my staff reports we're not getting uploaded to the agenda. Umm, I did make one in my 00:02:03
defense and I sent it out in the invite. We'll, we'll try to get that figured out before the next meeting. 00:02:09
Oh look at that. OK, I fixed the problem somehow. 00:02:18
OK, anyways, so, yeah, we uh, have this final plat that I'm, I'm sure you've all, uh, seen before. This is the phase three. It's 00:02:22
in the downtown mixed-use zone contains about approximately 64 acres of land and it will be comprised of 20 unique lots, 2 unique 00:02:29
partials with eight interior private St. servicing a lot. And so those are the names of the streets we have 2nd Ave. and 3rd Ave. 00:02:35
Main Street, Broad Street, typical way. 00:02:41
Charleston, Dover St. Umm, I have a breakdown of how there there's eight different blocks and within the blocks there's different 00:02:48
blocks. Umm, it'll be a lot easier if I just show you the class that you can kind of get an understanding of what I'm talking 00:02:55
about there. So you have like block 8 and then you have lots 88888 so on. 00:03:02
So in the applicant branch, is that your name? Right. So he's here representing. 00:03:10
The flagship flag borough. Umm, can I answer any questions you do have as far as planning goes our, our comments, Umm, we do have 00:03:17
a few on the street naming and I know the team will have a few comments that on that as well. We've seen prior flats for street 00:03:24
right here is named use of promenade. So, and, and I know this team might have an issue with both these streets being names the 00:03:30
same thing You have to be, uh, to be uh, fair that, uh, the prior flats that was approved and recorded had. 00:03:37
North capacity Promenade Blvd. and South capacity, uh, Promenade Blvd. So there were two distinct locally different names and I I 00:03:44
do believe that flat, although it was recorded, the streets are part of the recordation. 00:03:50
If that makes sense. It wasn't within the boundary of the the umm flat. OK, but they were labeled on there. So umm, we do have 00:03:59
that just as a conditional approval that that the applicant will work with, with the community development department and 00:04:05
engineering on on figuring out the street name issues. 00:04:12
No street or one way St. so that's. 00:04:20
If you if, yeah. So, uh, and then actually we have, uh, the fire department here as well. They can, we may be able to speak with 00:04:22
it, but the, uh, one way to just separate, but it's a different coordinate system on that. Uh, you can't make it one single there. 00:04:29
Uh, singular coordinate system. And, uh, the feedback that was given to, uh, us specifically as well from the Sheriff's Office is 00:04:37
that, uh, the two calls confusion for public safety emergency responses, Uh, this is caused confusion to them. 00:04:44
Even though they're one way streets over the separation specifically to that, Uh, so they, so the Sheriff's Office provides 00:04:52
feedback recommending not to move forward with the treatments being two things, three things, even though they're one way streets 00:05:00
found out. And then I got the, I mean, Brandon, do you have any additional on that? But that, that, that was the feedback simply 00:05:07
from the stars, uh, from, uh, the Sheriff's Office, Lieutenant, uh, Rockwell and, uh, I would agree with him on that even. 00:05:14
Effort. Too bad. 00:05:22
Do you, do you know, are they wanting to keep the name Broad Street there? 00:05:27
I don't know that we have, we reached out to the county to see with the limitations of that and, uh, in terms for, uh, public 00:05:34
works slash engineer, uh, our side and, uh, Patrick and correct me if I'm wrong either or not though, but now you can correct me. 00:05:42
Umm, is that, you know, on our side, on our side, our toler, uh, for the public works engineering, the tolerance is pretty low. 00:05:52
The threshold is pretty low. Uh, however, for public safety requirements, it needs to ensure that we don't have that. We don't 00:05:58
call that confusion, uh, because they have to make sure that it's also part of like the state, umm, uh, the response times, 00:06:03
etcetera. I think they would maybe, uh, for example, again, I want to speak for, uh, Brandon or the Sheriff's Office with your 00:06:09
favorite, my understanding. 00:06:15
On outcome to put, uh, response time is that, uh, they, they take in consideration, uh, worst case scenario, they happen to go 00:06:21
through wrong, wrong St. because of a confusion like that. What was, what would it take for them to, uh, we respond to the correct 00:06:28
address, if that, if that was the case as well. So I know there, uh, States and I won't go too long in a story, but other states, 00:06:35
they, they, they leave the actual name in the streets final approval. 00:06:42
With the with the County Sheriff's Office. So if if you have Broad Street here, unless it's down in the hypothetical arm has Broad 00:06:50
Street that that's too close of the proximity, they actually they'll actually do not they'll actually deny their meaning of the 00:06:57
street if it's too close to another even even if it's in a different jurisdiction because they look at response times and so 00:07:03
forth. So when it comes to the public safety. 00:07:09
Uh, you know, there's a high threshold and I. 00:07:17
And I would personally agree with us, having done, having served in public safety myself. 00:07:19
Yeah. All right. Yeah. So we we just have that as a condition of approval that. 00:07:27
And work with us to figure out that I think that was the biggest street name issue was the Broad St. 00:07:31
Benefit of having it be the same. 00:07:39
It's just the one way that the North street is the westbound and substrate and just to the right of that plastic square about and. 00:07:43
Because I imagine the the numbers will just be staggered. So I, I don't know what the North is. Yeah, typically, yeah, typically 00:07:54
we have. 00:07:59
238 and on this side of 236 and you can't have it on both sides, but it's still really confusing. 00:08:05
And if you look at it as a 5 foot median or a. 00:08:14
250 Canadians there's there's no. 00:08:19
Yeah. 00:08:26
I'm not sure the title on the north side. So it's almost like that center parcel doesn't exist. It's a meeting like you said and. 00:08:30
The odd numbers are on one side. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I mean, I. 00:08:42
Yeah, I understand that. So the, I mean, and I don't want, again, I don't want to speak for exactly, I don't want to speak for 00:08:48
fire department, but I mean having, I mean, I, I found my junior fire, uh, fireman's, uh, hat, uh, having two guns. Thank you. I 00:08:54
appreciate that. Umm, but also for the fact that, uh, and having done, uh, specifically emergency, uh, emergency response, uh, 00:09:00
planning and, uh, things, uh, the way that and, and the way that I understand it and the way that typically goes is that when 00:09:06
you're finance to the if. 00:09:12
The thing to consider is on here what? What if they went to the wrong thing on our streets on the South side? 00:09:47
Would they, would they be able to respond to the north side would actually have to re well, actually have to reposition themselves 00:09:52
in this case. The answer I got from the Sheriff's Office in depth would be in now on that. So there there'll be condition that 00:09:58
those streets have to be distinctively named in order to, uh, make sure that there's no confusion for public safety. At the end of 00:10:04
the day, public safety is number one priority for us and the tolerance for engineering like whatever. I mean, if it takes us an 00:10:10
extra 20 minutes to respond. 00:10:16
That's, uh, no one's gonna die. 00:10:23
Or something, but it it does that a little bit with geometry. 00:10:28
I do see that Bronson did just join the call. I don't know Bronson, if you can hear us or not. Umm. 00:10:49
We are talking about the the naming of Broad Street right here. Umm. 00:10:58
Can you hear me by chance? OK, great. Umm, yeah. We just wanted to have a conversation about Broad Street right here. Umm, Public 00:11:03
safety is concerned about having both these streets be the same thing On on the previous spot that you submitted, it showed that 00:11:10
this is going to be called the like South Utah City Promenade in the North Utah City Promenade. Is that changing completely And 00:11:16
you want it to go with Broad St. 00:11:22
Well, it was both both of the second industries were do you have any problem? But now we have the noise problem on this, but I 00:11:29
don't think uh. 00:11:34
Did you have an ointment itself? Yes, Sir. You. Yeah. Yes. You. You had? No. 00:11:40
It was North and South, yeah, the, the, I think phase two or whatever, Platt said. North and South promenade. 00:11:51
Oh, that I think that is fine. I don't think that's the problem. I don't know, right. It it just shows outside of the boundaries. 00:11:59
It has those two streets just just for reference. Yeah, I think I thought them told us that we couldn't do a North Central. 00:12:07
Brandon. Brandon there. I'm trying to see. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:12:15
What is? What's? What's inside? 00:12:25
So, umm, the main concern came from the Sheriff's Department. Umm, I, I can definitely understand their concern and why it's 00:12:29
important to have two separate names there. Umm, just to, to weed out that confusion. 00:12:35
So, yeah, so I'll start over. I, I think it's in order to move forward to brought them, if you would like, if you wish to choose 00:12:47
to move forward with us, uh, a condition will be about the two things that will have to be finalized and cleared, uh, before and 00:12:53
can be recorded. Yep. And I do have that as the very first recommendation for approval. 00:13:00
Yep, yeah. So this this would just be a recommendation that once we get that fixed, then we can get the Mylar signed and recorded 00:13:08
as the county. Umm, the other issue I did notice here was on the plat you had sheet number one of two on this page and then sheet 00:13:16
page one of two on this page. Yeah. So just a a simple correction there. 00:13:23
So that is, uh, it from the planning community development, umm, are there any other comments from, from anybody else on this 00:13:34
plat? 00:13:39
Uh, all those others talked before I saw. So Eric, Sir Carson. 00:13:47
Where on it? Anything else so? 00:13:53
OK, staff support, uh, I'll send it to you. Uh, in addition to the, uh, two conditions on the spot, I would like to add that, uh, 00:14:00
efficient diagram is being and it will will be provided as well. 00:14:06
Uh, prior to the, uh, priority reporting in the past, which should be, uh, we shouldn't hold up the recording. The process to 00:14:13
shoot names in other areas have to be fixed. 00:14:18
And also, uh, since Bronson is online, I would like to ask about, uh, where about, uh, the private growth and pecs, umm. 00:14:25
With the finalization on moving forward with the determining on the public and private, my understanding is even though that all 00:14:36
these industries are shown as private, that those streets will be public. Uh, and I have not, I have not been given any 00:14:42
information personally, uh, in the engineering department or, or an engineering public work about, uh, what the status of this is. 00:14:49
Uh, because I know that that's going to require repatting everything. 00:14:56
Uh. 00:15:05
OK. 00:15:10
I don't know what. 00:15:14
Bronson did. Did you hear that question? 00:15:17
Oh, sorry, can you proceed it? So I'll so after I asked, uh, after I asked for the condition of having phasing diagram provided 00:15:21
uh, uh, provided, uh, as a condition of according to process. Also, I was asking about the status of the public private roads and 00:15:28
PUC for the public utility. 00:15:35
TV product key telephones. 00:15:43
Sorry, I'm, I'm having a hard time hearing Yeah. So he, he's just wanting to know about the, the street. All the streets here are 00:15:50
labeled as as private roads and PUE he wants to know if that's going to remain or if it's going to be transferred to public Rd. 00:15:56
Umm, and, and what your intentions are with that. 00:16:01
I from what I'm hearing, they will still be transferred to the public, but they're still gave me with you guys gaming. Uh, Jamie's 00:16:09
not here. And last time I said, uh, I think that's my fault still being worked out. 00:16:16
OK, that's, that's my understanding that at least. So the first would go to the city and I think they're, they're negotiating the 00:16:23
back of the chief building texting on the right away. So my yeah. And uh, regardless of that right away, the right way is RDA 00:16:30
reimbursable. It's just, I don't know what will go public and what can say private. All right. So I would like to, uh, so 00:16:37
condition on, on this spot that, uh, the public service is. 00:16:44
May May is kind of determined, Uh, this is like, uh, last time I spoke to the city attorney about this. 00:16:52
There was no fast update on that. And then also the fact that I think this is going to burden on to the city and in the residence 00:16:57
as well in terms of being able to plan forward as well. And I'm not sure what your thoughts are. 00:17:06
Alright. I would simply just ask what the parameter of your suggestion would be timeline as as it pertains to the construction, Do 00:17:17
you want it a determination made prior to construction or what is your, I would say prior to the CEO? 00:17:24
OK, how would you want me to word that, uh, magically have the private public ro Rd. configuration or yeah, just a frame, at least 00:17:33
the framework. I agree as well. Something agreeable on that, umm, agreement. Agreement between New York City and the developer, 00:17:40
maybe. 00:17:46
Applicant, yeah. 00:17:54
I shouldn't be looking at my screen. Applicants and the city. Yeah. Can you stop? Yeah, I will. 00:17:57
Prior, sorry, prior to being issued so occupancy is issued. 00:18:03
OK Oh, uh. 00:18:16
The, the other thing Bronson that that Morgan did want me to bring up here on this plat is we do have lot 10A on here, which, uh, 00:18:20
he was thinking is the lot that that will be going over to the becoming the city new City Hall. Umm, and he wanted to know if this 00:18:26
is going to change at all or if this is, is right. 00:18:32
Yeah, that so my noise, that's correct. I think that there was some design on the City Hall being in civic ways. 00:18:41
Hi, I'm inside that right away that that will be public, but we we have a bunch of utilities running through there. So we don't 00:18:48
want the City Hall on top of the utilities. So you know, actually 1510 to 8, OK. 00:18:55
OK. 00:19:04
It won't worry that. 00:19:06
I have a question about that, yeah. Is there anything that would prevent us, Bronson? Is there anything that would prevent us 00:19:13
from? 00:19:16
Potentially. 00:19:20
I don't know if you would call it air, right, but having the ability to bridge over to that parking structure to the north on an 00:19:23
on an upper floor that wouldn't impede traffic or pedestrian traffic on that. 00:19:29
Is it a road or is it a? 00:19:36
If the law is on 10A, then 10 or about 13. A is just for the north and there's no Rd. Is there a Paseo between the two lots? I 00:19:39
don't know if it's been designed that far but. 00:19:45
Yeah. We, we haven't designed it over there. I don't know if you guys have put the design there. 00:19:54
Umm, it would be, I don't think it'll be a road. Umm, and there's going to definitely have to be like some coordination when, when 00:20:00
we start talking parking structures, when we get to that point, we may want to look at, I don't know if 10A has some parking 00:20:08
structures on it and then that parking structure continues up into 15 A. So that's the stuff we gotta work out in the future. 00:20:16
Perfect. OK. 00:20:25
Alright And then the all the condition I would like it doesn't it's minor technical stuff. It's just to ensure that all any 00:20:33
contact to go corrections on the. 00:20:39
On the path in terms of light curves and so forth, uh, since we're going through the name change our name destination, mm-hmm. Uh, 00:20:46
as well. But uh, yeah, those type of, uh, clamical errors out there, all types of errors are corrected prior to the point. I think 00:20:54
you have, I think you already have that listed. Yeah, I was gonna say, I think that is one of the OK. 00:21:02
Let me try this over. 00:21:11
Then that's the, that's the typical, uh, correction that's usually made, uh, as an, as an, as a, uh, high staff administrative 00:21:14
change anyway. So Yep. 00:21:18
So these recommendations over here as well as well, I think the only additional 1. 00:21:24
Probably things probably a good thing to do is like when you get the fix the the case number package, you just say fix case 00:21:34
numbers and other other graphical slash technical errors. Yeah, we could. I could change that. Yeah, that's like I have a cancel. 00:21:39
But like I said. 00:21:45
OK, again, the before the DRC, let's form, let's formally do the plot. That was something that staffers would handle with the 00:21:52
developers anyway. So any grammatical and technical, technical. 00:21:59
Technical too broad, umm, probably it's too broad. I mean we do have that they they meet all the county requirements and they make 00:22:06
any red line corrections. That's good. Yeah, red line correction. OK then we'll it's just yeah. I mean I think we caught a couple 00:22:14
uh, like numbers that were just off this by by tab nothing big OK yeah. And and not once again we can conclude in that they have 00:22:21
to call the address thing as well as the yeah, those are those I mean those things just for mainly programs to understand. 00:22:28
Those are the things that we would typically work with this. 00:22:36
Developers engineer on the side even after it's been approved by City Council before the recording of the class. This is a staff 00:22:39
level. 00:22:43
So I'm not sure how detailed we have to go to these things right now. 00:22:49
We should begin with with these, uh, OK, this is both by person or is this a Yeah. 00:22:55
I can make a motion. Yeah. Motion has to. Yeah. I move to approve the Utah City phase three final plat with the contingent as 00:23:03
presented here. Do you want me to read the conditions? Umm, you shouldn't need to. I can include them in a minute. OK. Second 00:23:09
that. Cool. All right. Roll call, though. 00:23:15
All right, do that. 00:23:23
I, I I. 00:23:28
OK. Thank you. 00:23:34
I'm going to. 00:23:38
No, so our new, our new policies, it'll just go through DRC and then once we make these, these corrections, we can get it signed 00:23:46
by my large sign. Yep, no longer goes to the City Council. Exactly. So we're out to this, right, Your information, uh, you get to 00:23:53
listen to my voice for to go on and on and on. 00:23:59
Maybe a little too long. Dealer dealer dealer. 00:24:06
Yeah, you got that. 00:24:11
Cash. I don't understand that. Oh, yeah. 00:24:15
I think that's post 2000. That's definitely way post 2000 is it not? 00:24:19
Oh no, that's crazy. 2000, yeah, yeah, that's 95. 00:24:24
Doesn't mean I like it. 00:24:29
Are we doing Orchard 7 and 8 now? Yep. So Orchard 7-8 is gonna be the next item on here and we have final class. Yeah. Thanks, 00:24:33
Bronson. 00:24:39
OK. 00:24:48
Yeah, yeah. 00:24:51
And I don't believe that, uh, Karen is here with, uh, in tech, uh, Michaelson's company, umm, representing this, umm, I'll, I'll 00:24:56
run through this plat. So this is the, the property shown here just on the, the South side of the Center Street bridge. It's where 00:25:04
the development agreement was just approved for the live work unit. Umm, So this is a plat to record those, those properties. 00:25:12
Umm, it's approximately 2 acres of land. It's gonna hold 81 unique costs and three partials. It allows for phases 7 and eight of 00:25:20
the orchards development. We reviewed it. Umm, there's no. 00:25:26
Large issues with with the plat umm, we do have some concerns on the plat on the parking on new vineyard Rd. They they just have 00:25:32
like these parcels laid out and they appear to be going the wrong direction if it's going to be normal angled parking like this 00:25:41
angle right here is incorrect. Umm so you have a request that they work with staff on fixing that issue. So I'm sorry. 00:25:49
That's shown as reverse correct? And it shouldn't be it's. It's supposed to be normal. 00:25:58
Pulling angle, not reversed angle. Yeah, I know there's a lot of back and forth on that in terms of like, uh, I'm trying to make, 00:26:04
I'm trying to figure out what was the termination. I think the development agreement, uh, stated it would be normal. I think there 00:26:10
were concerns about the safety of, of reverse angle. 00:26:15
And so they, they change it, but once again, it's a condition that we can, we can re examine the development agreement and if it 00:26:22
does state that, umm, but as you can see, like this angle, right? What's the concern that developers concern? Or was it, uh, it 00:26:27
was City Council? 00:26:32
OK, yeah, so, but regardless, all these parking have just these weird angles that it looks like it could work for yeah. So we just 00:26:38
want them to, to acknowledge that and work with, work with us on that. Umm, and then the other, uh, condition that we did want to 00:26:45
add is that they do add an easement along the, uh, east side that they said they were working with us on umm, to there's, there's 00:26:53
a trail right here and some parking and we wanna make sure that we have, uh, some. 00:27:00
Public access to that. 00:27:08
So I believe those are all the comments. I can go over the the plot real quick. Umm, so it does have all of these uh, these 00:27:11
townhome buildings. They will be the live work units where the ground floor will be like a retail space. So it'd be something like 00:27:17
a Barber shop or umm, a tax office, something like that. Umm, it does have the future potential to have like a, a Co working space 00:27:23
right here. This building building E. It is not going through the site plan process right now. Umm, but once again, it, it'll be 00:27:29
used by this community. 00:27:35
By the HOA, umm in a way that if somebody has a business there and they need like a larger conference room, they'd be able to have 00:27:41
that there. Kind of a different take on HOA clubhouse. 00:27:46
Umm, and then over on the east side, we do have, like I said, there's some parking with that trail and then there will be umm, 00:27:52
some space for some community gardens as well. Umm, and then, and, and a lot of this will come through with, with the site plan 00:27:59
in, in the coming weeks. I think we're actually gonna do the work session here in a minute on it. So we don't have to get too into 00:28:06
details on the, the site plan itself. Umm, but that. Can I send another question? Yeah. 00:28:12
Umm, so persons AB and C Is that the same thing? That just seems to be. That just seems to be a hash mark. 00:28:21
Umm, to knowing that it's different property based off of the lessons. I don't think that's noting that it's a clerking or that 00:28:27
that parking is taking One Direction the building B No, no. Oh, oh, partially. 00:28:34
Hash marks. Did you know that there's second properties, right? 00:28:43
You'll see that this this is hash marks, right? Right. But even then, the like angles would be up for the parking regardless. 00:28:54
I just, I, I think this, I was talking to Patrick about this a few days ago. Was it you that I was that they just looked odd for 00:29:05
what they're planning on doing according to the site plan. I can show you the site plan. Well, I think what the person was saying 00:29:12
is that the lines are not actually showing the parking cells, right? Yeah, No, no, I yeah, yeah, I, I totally acknowledge that. 00:29:20
But as you can see here on their site plan, you have this angle going up to the left, this angle going up to the left. And then. 00:29:27
Over here on the plat you have the angle going to the left and then over here an angle going to the right that might not. 00:29:34
Fit this parking like it would cut right here. So we just want to make sure that that parking is within that parcel. 00:29:43
If that makes any sense. 00:29:54
Correct. 00:29:59
Correct. Yeah. 00:30:03
Any questions I can try to answer and like I said I know the applicant isn't here so it's hard to. 00:30:10
For me that's everything, but I have questions, I'll work others out for me. 00:30:15
Now let's start there. Well, I guess my question on this is looking at this and umm, was, uh, when during the review, I apologize 00:30:22
if I didn't, uh, provide my comments, Uh, but, uh, area on the 1st sheets, this is to be acquired. That's, uh, grayed out. I 00:30:29
don't, uh, so the test is actually record this process itself. So the accounting provides feedback on if that would be allowed on 00:30:36
which part if you ship, if you go to umm. 00:30:42
The skipper page to the right, upper right of the. 00:30:50
That's a loss where it has all the Gray Gray out of the area with the notes is to be acquired. I'm not sure if that's legally 00:30:53
allowed. OK, I can I can have them clarify that Yeah, and then enter it. So they would have what they would have to do is they 00:31:01
would have to show the actual parcels itself broken out If that's owned by again that's owned by the safety acquires terminate 00:31:08
that may have to be done before the condition that that's done before the yeah, I I do believe the kind of the lo the story. 00:31:16
Umm, then I believe accountable denied. 00:31:55
Umm, I mean we could take it as soon as this afternoon if it's approved, but we can wait just depending on even if. 00:32:00
Reference should be signed and ready for information early next. Yeah, OK. Uh, yeah. So we we can put that as as a condition of 00:32:08
approval, I think. Yeah, I think we're good The land the condition approvals at this time won't be recorded without the company 00:32:16
documents for the change for the doc for that. So OK, because I I if I'm not mistaken accounting we'll probably just I believe you 00:32:23
can't accept those documents. So you have right Yeah. So what you have to happen is that the quick claim to you. 00:32:30
Has to be provided to counties first so that so that recording number is smaller than the recording number of the file. So it 00:32:38
shows so in in the records, it shows the order of the re uh, the recording right. So we have the same issue. They, they have the 00:32:44
development agreement that is approved, but that hasn't been recorded either. So that's another condition that we have yeah yeah 00:32:50
that's, that's just the technicality stuff. You can record the class without the quick run games haven't been in the system first 00:32:55
yeah. 00:33:01
And then I, I don't believe that having there's going to be acquired should, uh, should have within change. 00:33:08
OK. 00:33:24
Yeah, yeah. So that that's the, I have the quick claim details recorded prior to your recommendation. Yeah. 00:33:26
Did we get the comments to change talent vendor to me on the plot throughout? I can do that, yeah. 00:33:42
I'm OK, darling, change it back to the talent. Can we make that motion? No. 00:33:51
Yeah. So yeah, I mean it's kind of like a technicality there's I mean there's some parcel that still shows. So if you're trying to 00:34:00
see like the technical it's a part of the of the county records show count of the news they require still use town of vineyards. 00:34:06
However other areas of the plot on this process for example, larger energy is as approving required by account of junior. Where 00:34:12
does it say that? 00:34:18
Treatment versus yeah, it has to be finished today. 00:34:25
Where? Where does it stay? If you go under lots of drainage on the bottom. You have to load down here right next to Acceptance of 00:34:28
Leslie. 00:34:33
Oh yeah, and like everywhere else, you know. Yeah, exactly. I mean, if, if it's a kind of being here, because that's what's 00:34:39
referenced as a parcel, umm, legally on the, uh, on the county map, that would be acceptable because what is this doing is just 00:34:45
referencing another legal designation. 00:34:50
I mean, obviously, hopefully all those things change with accounting in the future, but at least in every other reference where, 00:34:56
uh, where there's just, uh, there's a name is that the venue city staff will, you know, do XY doing. 00:35:05
OK. 00:35:16
Umm, I did have a question on this, uh, it sounds like it's going to be, uh, residential over commercial, yeah, mixed-use. And so, 00:35:17
umm, I mean, my concerns are always the same concerns, which is access for the fire department and, you know, mess to get in. And, 00:35:24
uh, if with it being commercial on the bottom, they're gonna have feces and risers and that kind of stuff. And on this, on the 00:35:31
platinum that I've been given, there's no hybrid locations. 00:35:38
Yeah, any real access, you know, determining how to get to buildings. 00:35:47
Uh, DG and I and N. 00:35:57
Umm, just the way they are from a road, just making sure that they meet the requirements. OK, yeah, I could have them clarify the 00:36:01
the road structure in the spot. If if we do look at the site plan, you know, there is the act three different access points in 00:36:08
there. So the the plat does not show that so I can have them and I haven't seen. 00:36:14
I haven't seen that version. Yeah. So and, and we're we're gonna be going over this. This is the site plan. We're gonna be doing 00:36:21
that as a work session today to kinda get more into the details. I mean, we can have a brief work session. Since they're not here, 00:36:28
it might not be beneficial. So OK, so we have to show the part of those as well. Like, so for example, she's one where this shows 00:36:34
like the public, the public road. And then it has the lines as a name kinda strongly like. 00:36:40
In between the buildings, the three buildings, they would say like private road there. 00:36:47
Let me just double check that they have not uploaded. They don't have private road. At the very least, they should have a, uh, 00:36:52
easement for a fire, uh, a few emergency, emergency ox yeah, Mercy, uh, access easement because what I'll do is I'll prevent any 00:36:58
kind of blockage of that area. So they, so they won't be able to like, uh, Barracuda, uh, or anything that I've got that was block 00:37:04
emergency vehicle. 00:37:10
Yeah, that is the the latest plat that I'm seeing on their permit. Yeah. So they would just need to show private growth or, and 00:37:21
then they would also, uh, or if not really, umm, emergency action season, uh, designated OK. The fire department doesn't have to 00:37:27
worry that there's a copy failure in place there. 00:37:33
OK, so include. 00:37:39
Road naming and diagram internal roads yeah, include internal. Does that help you Rd. It does. Uh, one of the concerns is just 00:37:43
that, uh, on a, another project we ran into the where we, there was an approval on the initial plat and then when it came time for 00:37:51
umm, the deferred middle of the sprinkler system, the hydrants have been placed in the location that it wasn't commutative with 00:37:58
their FTC locations. And so I'm just trying to what do you wanna see? 00:38:06
Our hydrant location on the plat. 00:38:13
I don't even know if. 00:38:17
A lot of it determined is determined by the architect. Wherever they place the FEC's that would determine where they're, you know, 00:38:22
it's kind of that initial planning process normally taken care of by the architect. It's just how to get them on the same page so 00:38:29
that they're thinking about it now, so it doesn't come up later as a a cut off guard kind of a thing or extra, umm, you know, just 00:38:36
the customer service aspect. So they're not cut off the part of the condition that they're interior, interior private. 00:38:43
Which are conditioned on fire department, uh, final approval. 00:38:50
That's why like because I think the, the main road, like using the road on the outside just goes both won't change, but maybe then 00:38:54
your interior, uh, Rd. access and maybe the light, the sci-fi may change just to take on the fire. Yeah and you might even just 00:39:01
put the show fire department access and uh. 00:39:09
Determine FEC location. 00:39:18
Near hydrant locations. You know what I mean? Like the requirement of 100 feet. OK, sure. Something so that. 00:39:22
I could include something like that. They have to to determine the vigent locations prior to the site plan approval and that way 00:39:30
they have to have a conversation with you first. Yeah, that would be that would be great. OK. We're more than happy to help them 00:39:36
and whichever way we can. 00:39:41
Super forum fire. 00:39:57
OK. 00:40:10
Any other comments or anything? 00:40:14
Uh, the parcel, I mean, excuse me, yeah. This part doesn't show like whether it could be reversed angled or front angled. So I 00:40:19
think that's the, that's the value on the side plan, right Yeah. So that I don't yes. I don't think we need to make any interest 00:40:27
on this one. So, and like I said, just to make sure that the parking lots don't overlap. That's fine. I, I, I, yeah. 00:40:34
Let me check to make sure to be uh. 00:40:49
Nothing that's good. 00:40:54
Right, OK, I think that's everything. Sorry. Yeah, I I started the new site plan, so again, OK. 00:40:57
I'm good with it. Uh, I don't have any other comments. 00:41:04
So. 00:41:09
Bronze. Do you have anything, Sir? Alright, so. 00:41:13
I'm I'm ready for a motion cash. You think? Let me just figure out this last. 00:41:16
Let's see. 00:41:25
Oh, I yeah, I did have one other question. Now, just remember the the parking stalls, are those in the private right away or 00:41:28
public right away? They don't show and they, and when I looked at the note there, there's no designation of this parcel. 00:41:35
ABC is is owned and maintained by public. I do believe that they are private. Do you have you seen anything in the site finance 00:41:44
made on? 00:41:49
One on the South side. 00:41:55
The one on the East Green Rd. East Junior Rd. Yeah. 00:42:01
Those ones are. 00:42:07
It's mentioned. I don't have any information on here. Yeah, the public par if it's considered public parking, like is it owned by 00:42:13
the Vigner city or is it owned by the by the developer or the HOA? 00:42:19
And I can have them include like a maintenance or ownership stock parcel ABC. Yeah. So yeah, I would typically just add it. They 00:42:25
can add another table. So when they do parcels when they're out, but when they're, uh, designed a parcel A, parcel B, parcel C, 00:42:32
and then there should be company table to say parcel A and then the description parcel A, uh, park part, uh, parking stalls, uh, 00:42:38
and then. 00:42:45
Owned owned by. It could be owned by HOA, owned by cities and maintained. So sometimes there there's like a ownership and slash 00:42:53
maintenance like for example. 00:42:57
Your landscaping maintenance or season your, uh, on your exterior of your, uh, uh, under exterior of the, uh, like the wall here 00:43:02
exterior boundary walls to be in. It may say like owned by city, uh, maintained landscaping maintained by HLA. And then this way 00:43:09
it kind of interests into like a little agreement, OK. And, and it might, it may be in a development agreement. At least no one 00:43:16
ever reads development agreements after reports this, this is like an easy touch in your face. 00:43:24
OK. Yeah. So I'll include ownership and maintenance information of parcels AB and C on the platform. Thank you. 00:43:31
That was everything. OK, So, uh, let's make a motion to approve the conditions. I also just realized I don't believe that we allow 00:43:38
proxy voting. So I don't think it by logs allow it. We have done by laws yet, so maybe we'll have to. Well, yeah, the current code 00:43:44
doesn't make a motion to I make a motion that we allow proxy building. We're we're gonna maybe discuss bylaws in a motion to make. 00:43:51
That's right now. 00:43:57
I I don't think so. It's OK, I motion to allow taxi building. 00:44:05
Uh, as far as a condition of the of the last day until, until the bylaws are established. 00:44:09
I I we don't have gaming here so tell me if that's illegal. 00:44:17
We we don't need the proxy voting. We don't. We have, we have our sitting members, we have a second of the proxy building. 00:44:23
Uh, Bryce is not a sitting member. He's filling in for pay. Oh, there we go. So. 00:44:31
Wouldn't end for for. 00:44:36
Let me. 00:44:42
Talking bye. 00:44:46
I think we approve a temporary allowance. 00:44:49
I'm afraid that. 00:44:55
They might not, but. 00:44:58
If that's the case, then I motion there be adjourned. 00:45:02
Let me see what was written, It's been a while since I've looked at this. 00:45:07
I thought that it said somebody could ask him to sit in there then so. 00:45:19
It doesn't say anything about that. Just as a designee, it says. 00:45:39
Then they're designated. Yeah, Yeah, he's good. Yeah, I think, I think we're OK. 00:45:43
Does it say that for all of them or I know I said it for the planning one? Uh, no. So the, it says the DSC consists of seven 00:45:51
members, the chair and the Planning Commission or the chair of the Planning Commission, city manager, the fire Marshall designee 00:45:57
and the heads of departments of building, community development, engineering and parks and rec or their designee. So maybe just 00:46:03
not Planning Commission gets the design, not yet in the new bylaws. That's what they do, but. 00:46:08
Does everybody interpret that right the same way? Yeah. OK, so you do get a so that being said, uh, with my since I was the one 00:46:15
that made the most probably yeah, we should redo the motion for the I'm good with not doing that. I I understand you're good, but 00:46:23
we gotta cross our T's and daughter eyes. 00:46:30
I'm on motion if you wanna bring up the conditions again that make it easy. Yeah, yeah. 00:46:40
Let me pull that up. Sorry about this. We're still trying to figure out the whole new VRC, you know? 00:46:49
OK. 00:46:57
Uh, Patty, I don't know if you heard that, but I, I believe you did a vote because your designee, I can, I can make. 00:46:59
A an updated motion on Utah City Phase three. OK, so I move to approve Utah City phase three final plat with conditions as 00:47:08
presented. 00:47:12
I'm taking the motion. 00:47:21
We have a second on that motion to roll call vote. We'll call those Eric Aye, Carson, myself, I. 00:47:23
And and Patty Patricia. 00:47:32
Uh, maybe she's not **** comical. 00:47:37
Actually we can say absent on this or not. 00:47:42
Getting feedback from her. 00:47:47
That's still foremost. 00:47:50
Alright, so so the motion is passed now. Now we can move on to Orchard seven and eight. Yeah, that'd be good. Does anyone need 00:47:53
cash to read all the conditions or I can read them for the record? Just to clarify where we're at, go for 7-8 final flat. Here are 00:48:01
the conditions of approval. Public easement on the east is added. The development agreement is recorded prior to recommendation. 00:48:08
The quick claim deed is required prior to recordation. They should fix Town of Vineyard error under the. 00:48:16
Training section as required by engineering. Include internal Rd. Naming and diagram show fire department access and determine 00:48:23
hydrant locations per Orange Fire Department's requirements prior to site plan approval. Parking parcels along new Vineyard are 00:48:29
conceded with approval of the Community Development Director and include ownership and maintenance information of partials AB and 00:48:35
C on the class. 00:48:41
I move to approve the orchards at Vineyards phase seven and seven. 00:48:50
Umm subdivision final plat with the condition. 00:48:55
Oh sorry, 7 and 8 subdivisions, flat final plat with the conditions as presented. 00:48:59
2nd, So we have a motion with a second, so we'll call the current cache. We'll call those Eric, Sir Carson, I, myself, I. 00:49:08
Patricia. 00:49:21
Patricia, are you still here on us by chance? 00:49:23
Can you hear us I can hear you might have gotten a phone call or something that makes Kinsley the next dozen days then message me 00:49:27
saying she was the OK Yeah that's what item is good. She acted so he wasn't feeling well she. 00:49:39
Asked if he wanted if he wanted her to go. That's fine. I we can with his absence. OK. I'm sorry. OK. Bye. Yeah. 00:49:52
All right, for that passed and uh, so we approved and move on to. 00:50:00
OK. Yeah. When we, we can make this one fairly quick. We'll we'll turn it over to Anthony if you have the quick share by chance or 00:50:03
I can pull up the site plan if if that's easiest. 00:50:07
OK, let me. 00:50:13
And add it to the final part. OK, there's a certain page you want to umm. 00:50:20
And really, if, if, since the applicant ended here, it might be easiest to, to just do a brief review of this just to let you all 00:50:32
know kind of what, what's coming down the pipeline on this site plan. Umm, but it's really beneficial they were here so they can 00:50:38
hear these comments and, and I'll just. 00:50:43
You you can just use my computer. 00:50:49
Give me a second. 00:50:53
Yeah, so it'll be easier. 00:51:02
I. 00:51:19
Thank you. 00:51:32
All right, so here are a few comments that. 00:51:34
Uh, was shared with, umm, with a developer for the, with the applicant. And that's pretty much very basic because they're not 00:51:42
here. I'm not gonna go into like stepwise things, just a few things that call out, but I'd like to call out. Umm, was that we, the 00:51:49
development agreement required that they, uh, prepare a transportation circulation, uh, plan which was delivered was literally 00:51:57
submitted to us yesterday. So that is, umm, something that would have to. 00:52:04
Reviewed by us, UMM to see if it meets whatever needs that, uh, whatever requirements that umm supposed to meet umm. 00:52:12
There were a few missing sidewalks and cross, uh, walks on the plan and I can show you that right now. So on this side, it was 00:52:23
like, you know, you can't really tell because this, this is gonna be a dog park. There's nothing here showing that connection. 00:52:31
There's no crosswalks around these areas as well linking the sidewalks. 00:52:39
Umm, you know, and it's pretty much through the entire site, No, umm, crosswalks indicated. 00:52:49
On all these areas also. 00:53:01
This was not fully indicated in the plan because it was going to be a, a structure or this park installed. So we're not sure what 00:53:07
that's gonna be from the plan. So we need them to at least clarify that as well. This is not included. It's not part of the site 00:53:13
plan approval. It's being considered for the future. Umm, However, I have a concern about parking for that in the future if they 00:53:19
decide to move forward. 00:53:25
What are the plans to move to, you know? 00:53:31
To contain parking for A2 story building, uh, office building umm. Currently there are no issues with the parking, however uh, the 00:53:36
recommendation to break up this long number of cars installed umm with uh. 00:53:44
Uh, with a, with a landscape in Ireland, somewhere in there, we can firmly reduce some of this and just, uh, split it up a little 00:53:55
bit to make, you know, make it not look like a giant sea of parking. 00:54:01
And. 00:54:08
On this side as well does that does that consideration to possibly because looking at how the plan again would have to go through 00:54:11
that speculation plan that they shared with us, but they based on the plan review besides my review, we're thinking they could 00:54:18
even block out this entrance. 00:54:24
Because it does not even line up with this one right and. 00:54:33
Looking at a code reference, the code reference that. 00:54:38
Says, uh, right here. 00:54:42
1538.0 Thirty .1. 00:54:53
OIX and that pretty much. 00:55:00
Umm talked about the fact that when development or when finding out these sites, it has to consider a different, umm, entrances to 00:55:05
other sites as well, or surrounding sites to make sure that at least it's, you know, there's a free flow like it is in this case 00:55:11
where there's going to be a good intersection. Umm, I could have, you know, in interaction with, uh, engineering, they have no 00:55:17
issue with. 00:55:24
Just being a hazard because this road is supposed to be 25 mph. 00:55:31
So it's supposed to be slow. However, it'll do us some good if this is blocked off. 00:55:36
Uh, to me, that condition in the code and that would also add on to parking. And so far it doesn't look like it's going to affect 00:55:43
umm, the movement through the site is actually going to make it safer for pedestrians if that is considered. 00:55:52
You don't mind? Sure, if you don't mind me interjecting, but blocking it off may cause empty on the fire safety. 00:56:02
Entrance on that. OK, OK. Again that only provides. 00:56:11
Yeah, they need 2 accesses in and out. 00:56:19
So I don't. I don't know if that would be allowed. 00:56:23
Yeah. So that's the Nexus here as well. Where so, Oh, I see that. I see that one and two. So that's out of size the two axis. 00:56:28
Yeah, but here, I mean it's going to work. 00:56:35
Just have to be like over, OK. 00:56:44
100 people OK. And he just stated that there would be there might be some other criteria that the technical criteria needs so. 00:56:49
OK. 00:56:57
So, umm, what? What do you want me to get in touch with you later on just to get those information, like the criteria that needs 00:56:59
to be met? Yeah, yeah, we can probably discuss that later. Yeah, yeah. 00:57:05
And again, if the DRC is not in favor of this being blocked out, that should work as well. But it's a comment that's worth, I put 00:57:11
it in there, something that's worth considering. 00:57:16
Umm, because I would add on to the par parking that could help with the future plan of this, you know, two-story office building 00:57:22
if they decide to move forward with it. Umm, generally they're just a few other things. There's a spot that could also, you know, 00:57:28
have maybe 1 or 288 parking styles in there. 00:57:35
Without an issue. Umm, going back to my comments. 00:57:44
There's no lighting provided. We need a photometric plan for the entire development. There's nothing provided, so we can't tell if 00:57:51
the parking areas have been well, you know, planned to be well list or not. And the entire site in general. Umm, a few comments 00:57:58
here for the elevations. Umm, you know, we need them to pretty much provide that material specification document that has been 00:58:05
referenced in the. 00:58:12
The five times that they provided, there's also no information showing anything on bike parking. 00:58:20
Umm, on the site plan, so I put that in the comments to be umm, provided as well. And you know, bike, bike racks should be 00:58:28
provided. Looking at this uh, magnitude of this umm, development, the biker actually provided at least 50 feet uh, from each of 00:58:35
these buildings. 00:58:41
So we're looking ahead and having at least 4 park installed umm bike parking racks throughout the development. 00:58:49
4 racks that have up to about three of them. 00:58:59
It'll take about 3 bikes. So that's these are the main comments. They've been shared with the applicants and we're hoping to hear 00:59:04
back from them and we can probably revisit this if they're they're able to. 00:59:11
A response to these comments with no issues. 00:59:18
Cool. 00:59:22
And also, I just wanted to touch on the handgun parking we're talking about earlier in the plat. This just shows angled Ford 00:59:24
parking. 00:59:28
It does not show the the reverse point. So we might wanna I I don't know if it's too late to change or I meant that motion, but I 00:59:34
was just a condition on that. I mean, this is we're not making any motions, right? Yes, no motion. OK, so I just I would just say 00:59:42
this book was a developer because I know there's some back and forth and on that. 00:59:50
Fall like survey has a reverse angle. Uh, I can dig up a contact to Salt Lake City. I'll ask for you and you can just, you can 01:00:00
talk to one other planets directly. 01:00:05
Again, was the traffic study that they did that that hailed engineering called for Ford and angle parking that that developer 01:00:13
here, there? Yeah, yeah, that's fine. So that yeah, going forward it will be this board angled parking. OK. Well, since we're, 01:00:21
since we have a lot of other things to go around, I just suggest contacting. Sure. 01:00:29
I mean it might be the worst thing for example or beconti actually I don't know how people use compi but. 01:00:37
And if it doesn't work, it doesn't work. 01:00:47
Circle I have nothing. Anyone got questions? Eric Sir? 01:00:49
A couple of just quick comment. 01:00:53
Yeah, alright. The pathway, uh, seems like it's ending on the website. There is on the northwest side the umm, trail. 01:00:56
Seems like it's kind of just ending right there. Is there a reason that that's ending and not continuing all the way out to? 01:01:08
So I probably did not mention that in my comments, but umm, because of that, because this is Central Center Street, so because we 01:01:14
have the trail on the other side of the Center Street road on the left side, there would have to be an intersection that crosses 01:01:21
Center Street right there. OK. I mean, umm, across, umm, you know, OK. I just want to see that some kind of connection there. So 01:01:29
it's not just a dead end. Yeah. It's part of the comments that I and then the other thing with the Planning Commission. 01:01:36
Uh, with all of this, uh, parking on Vineyard Rd. uh, we wanted to see some kind of landscaping between the parking and the 01:01:44
parcels because they're carrying out a bunch of trees that are pretty well established. So we want to see something that's well 01:01:49
established. 01:01:55
Yeah, thank you, uh, comments. You did, uh, request that they provide some more information about the landscaping, which included, 01:02:02
umm, you know, the size trees and also breaking up the parking with some of these things. Yeah. And that's kind of talking about 01:02:08
sidewalks, the sidewalks that go into the neighborhood. Like for example, umm, when it turns off in, uh, new vineyard grows into 01:02:15
the thing, into their neighborhood, that kind of just stops. 01:02:21
Kind of forcing people into the street. 01:02:29
As they're walking out, take a look at that and then you know, I know Patrick will. 01:02:31
Thank you for asking about this, but maybe some uh, bulb out? Especially where the intersections are with the park. 01:02:37
Don't tell me that look OK. 01:02:45
I know. 01:02:47
So I know. I'm sorry, doctor, at this point you try. 01:02:52
That's our God, OK? 01:02:59
That back and forth, having them actually here to have that conversation, I think is, is vital to, to having a, a good project 01:03:32
physically. What's that physically present, virtually present or either I, I don't care so much, but I mean, I prefer in person, 01:03:38
but virtually can, can we play the bylaws so that we can do this as a personal meeting as well? 01:03:44
If if COVID 2025 happens, then yes. 01:03:52
So just to clarify, are you saying that we should include in the bylaws that we will not discuss the nation? If the applicant is 01:03:59
not present, then we will not discuss an issue? 01:04:04
So I just wanted to throw that out there before we adjourn. 01:04:11
I will, I will add on, I'll add that to the draft. And I also have a concern here. Well, it's a suggestion. Do you think we, it 01:04:17
would be a good to make a case on allowing planning permissions? There's a need to vote because, you know, considering the 01:04:25
composition of the Planning Commission, it's a voluntary, uh, umm, you know, Commission where you have members. 01:04:32
Not going to be always available to be here, especially, uh, the chair of it, of the Commission. So if the vice chair is 01:04:41
available, they should amend that code to be able to, umm, allow for that since everyone else I, I would agree. So there's no 01:04:46
discrimination, right, Bryce? 01:04:52
I'll probably be the one that most of these meetings at my first so, so we would probably have that part of umm, the thing that 01:05:01
needs to be amended in the code. Can I could we? 01:05:07
Maybe just add the clarification that whoever that design is, they are also on the Planning Commission, yes. 01:05:14
So it has been what the, the amendment I'm requesting for is actually in the bylaws that I, I have here right now for its 01:05:22
membership. So when you look at the membership we have. 01:05:29
Planning Commission or designee city manager. Unfortunately, you don't. You don't have it as many, but. 01:05:38
Everyone else does so. 01:05:47
So, so yeah, we, we can go further discussion on these bylaws when we get the, the full team. Yeah, everybody here. Cool. So 01:05:52
that's, that's all that we have on the agenda. OK, appreciate your, uh, all the work you guys here. Alright, well, hopefully get a 01:05:59
little bit, you know, working a lot smoother in the coming weeks as we figure out the full software and everything. 01:06:07
Cool. Alright, well, is there a motion to, uh, get out here? 01:06:15
Motion to adjourn. Oh yeah, first. 01:06:19
Second, yeah, OK, thank you guys for first and 2nd uh, do we need, we'll call this or can we just no, I don't even think you need 01:06:26
a motion. All right, so we are done. Boom, boom, boom. See you guys. Thanks for joining online. 01:06:32
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