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| Oh yeah. | 00:00:01 | |
| All right, are we ready? We're good to go. All right, still on May 22nd, 2024, the time is 7:40. We're going to go ahead and start | 00:00:10 | |
| the Vineyard City Council meeting. And today we're going to start with an forestry, fire and state lands presentation. It's always | 00:00:17 | |
| hard to say. FFSLI recommend you change the name. | 00:00:24 | |
| Navigability and those public trust assets. So I'd encourage, you know, the city, the city attorney, anybody who's interested in | 00:03:16 | |
| learning about sovereign lands and some of those legal cases. | 00:03:20 | |
| And then the benefits to the public, really the these lands belong to the public. So we typically weigh those things to decide | 00:05:38 | |
| what the public benefit is and how the public actually, you know, benefits from those projects. So once the site plan goes | 00:05:44 | |
| through, we put that out for public review and allow the public to make comments and tell us if we if we messed anything up. | 00:05:51 | |
| We also look to our other partners and other agencies, adjacent land owners, leaseholders to let us know if they if there were any | 00:05:57 | |
| impacts that we didn't identify or if there's perhaps. | 00:06:02 | |
| Procedural issues that they believe were were not acknowledging. And then once that site plan has been done, if nobody challenges | 00:06:09 | |
| the site plan, so you guys did a great job, you've evaluated them back, you've mitigated them or it looks like a great project. | 00:06:14 | |
| Then we can move into a stage where we what we call the record of decision. And the record of decision is essentially our division | 00:06:19 | |
| adopting the the plan. | 00:06:24 | |
| And approving the permit and that's usually where in the past if there's going to be any administrative appeals where we've where | 00:06:29 | |
| we've had that issue. So the record of decision is kind of our official last go to let anybody come and tell us why it's going | 00:06:35 | |
| against our our policies or our rules or other issues they may have with the project. Typically the, the comments that we're | 00:06:41 | |
| acknowledging are related to things that would that we're not acting with a procedure being consistent with, excuse me, with our | 00:06:47 | |
| own law. So that's. | 00:06:53 | |
| Typically something that can be done in about 60 to 90 days if everything's done proper up front. But again, with a complicated | 00:06:59 | |
| project like this, I expect we'll spend some time with the staff to get that application into a good spot and make sure that we | 00:07:04 | |
| don't have any, you know, any unexpected issues. So Mayor Fulmer, would you like me to answer any questions about that specific | 00:07:10 | |
| project or move on to the Bokara? | 00:07:15 | |
| You want to hear the whole thing in the next question? | 00:07:22 | |
| I'd love to jump in so. | 00:07:28 | |
| Are we currently in our proposal doing anything? | 00:07:30 | |
| That is. | 00:07:36 | |
| Lars Ish design wise that. | 00:07:39 | |
| Buildings on their land. Designing on their land. | 00:07:44 | |
| Piers on their land. | 00:07:49 | |
| In the. | 00:07:51 | |
| I think we all know there's a lot that's happened here even just in your community since then. So we do want to make sure that the | 00:09:38 | |
| public has a chance to input those things that. | 00:09:42 | |
| Were problematic with the LRS proposal were typically disposal of sovereign lands and issues with navigability. So one of the | 00:09:48 | |
| challenges might be, you know, if there's a building that's going on sovereign lands, what are we going to use that building for? | 00:09:54 | |
| Is this a public facility? Does it pose a threat to navigability if it's above compromise level? We we may be able to have some | 00:09:59 | |
| discussions about that, but typically when we have, you know, commercial aspects, there's a compensation. | 00:10:05 | |
| Aspect that goes along with that because everything we do, once we say this piece of land that was once public and belonged to the | 00:10:11 | |
| people of Utah, once it's no longer, you know. | 00:10:16 | |
| Accessible to the to the people of Utah, they need to be compensated for that use. And that's usually how we deal with commercial | 00:10:21 | |
| activities. And we try to be, we try to ensure that there's no restrictions of use in that regard as well. So that, that plan that | 00:10:26 | |
| we first got, again, Anthony and some of the Vineyard staff have been great about working to dial that in. They answered a lot of | 00:10:31 | |
| our questions. | 00:10:36 | |
| Plans. | 00:11:42 | |
| I think we're, I think we're relying the scientific component on the scientists with FSL to work with us and make sure that we are | 00:11:44 | |
| working within those comprehensive management plan. So we're the ones that are paying to draft the plan. They haven't set forth | 00:11:50 | |
| their rules yet. | 00:11:56 | |
| Of what would be allowed, but we're just drawing in our heads this is what we would like. And then if I understand right, we have | 00:12:04 | |
| to wait for them to do their management plan of what is or is not. | 00:12:09 | |
| And then once that's done, they'll then look at our plan, the Anthony's drawing up, and approve it. Is that the process? | 00:12:15 | |
| And we'll be inviting the Utah Lake Authority. Mayor Fulmer, I know you dabble in the authority. So. So we hope that you'll | 00:14:31 | |
| participate in that method as well. But we, yeah, that's a way for us to kind of vision that out and say, what does the public | 00:14:37 | |
| want? How does that relate to our public trust responsibilities? | 00:14:42 | |
| So it's specifically the area. | 00:15:20 | |
| Vineyard Beach, that would be adjacent. They kind of where the lakefront at Town Center development is up to inventory. So that | 00:15:23 | |
| section, so he's not just creating. Yeah, that's a good point. It's the waterfront master plan that's divided into 3 sections. | 00:15:32 | |
| I think it was like 18 months of of comments. And so the elements that were provided to the designer were things that the the | 00:15:43 | |
| public had had called out. | 00:15:50 | |
| And so how we are now designing the project where we're taking kind of what is going to be, I guess the easier area. And that's, | 00:15:57 | |
| that's the things that are above, above the, the what would delineate wetlands. And so that's this kind of, you know, everything | 00:16:05 | |
| that that's uplands and then you have to do anything that's within the wetlands or within the water, but it's going to take quite | 00:16:12 | |
| a bit more. And so, so that's quite though we got to make sure that what we're proposing. | 00:16:20 | |
| Even if we did a robust 18 month period to gather, hey, we want to infringe upon the state Rep sovereign lands. It's just | 00:17:47 | |
| important that. | 00:17:50 | |
| You know, there's been a ruling on that. So, yeah, I think we're really. Did you want to comment on that? Yeah. And maybe this is | 00:17:55 | |
| something that Ben could touch on. But when we met recently and discussed the idea of peers and how that pertains to navigability, | 00:18:04 | |
| adding peers and creating safe harbors on the lake actually enhances navigability and or can. And so that that doesn't necessarily | 00:18:12 | |
| fly in the face of of the constitutionality of of public trust, doctor, is just something that needs to be done the right way. | 00:18:20 | |
| Something that aligns with with their vision for the lake as well, but certainly adding marinas and and sectioned off areas within | 00:18:28 | |
| that lake that provide protected areas for voters and, and people that are using the like is not a is not at odds with with the | 00:18:35 | |
| public trust doctrine. Well, it is at odds if you're talking about four to six inches deep all the way out to about a three half a | 00:18:43 | |
| mile. | 00:18:50 | |
| We're not going to be able to dig out to a half a mile to get boats. And Eric, I walked out there, wow, a month ago. And so I | 00:18:58 | |
| don't think the plan is that clear. I think that it's conceptual. And I would agree with you that we saying it the right way and | 00:19:04 | |
| letting people know we're planning it. And now that we're having this public meeting to talk about the process and going through | 00:19:10 | |
| it and permitting it and making sure that it falls into all of the right areas, we're going to do the best we can to let people | 00:19:16 | |
| know. | 00:19:22 | |
| What part of the process we're in, because you're right, it needs to be told what part of the process we're in. And I think it's | 00:19:29 | |
| all a part of the stage. We gotta go through the public to get ideas to come up with a concept, to take it through another process | 00:19:34 | |
| to make sure it's the right thing. And I think you're permitting process and your whole plan that you presented is excellent. | 00:19:40 | |
| Well, I but what I'm saying is, is that I think before you pay our planner because our planner is very expensive before you spend | 00:19:46 | |
| the public dollars and. | 00:19:52 | |
| 18 months of gathering feedback. You should start with the legal standing, the scientific standing of how deep this water is, and | 00:19:58 | |
| then you can say based off of this and the financial feasibility of the RDA to pay for this, this is the small window in which you | 00:20:07 | |
| can dream, because if not, you're wasting millions of dollars on this getting people excited. | 00:20:15 | |
| Aspects. So that's my only concern is like. | 00:20:26 | |
| That the staff went through a great process. They had all, they had FFSL and other team members come in and look at it. They had | 00:20:29 | |
| people from the lake come and look at it in the state. And I feel like they they did the best to come up with this plan and it was | 00:20:36 | |
| really good. And in the future, if you have additional ideas, if we're coming up with a plan of inviting more people in that you | 00:20:44 | |
| think would benefit future projects, we can definitely do, do more. We can always invite more people. So excellent. | 00:20:51 | |
| Did you want to go to the next? | 00:20:59 | |
| And we told them we would be happy to do that. However, we'd like to make sure that those legal issues don't come along with it. | 00:22:02 | |
| So that's been something that's somewhat stalled the process of that project is we want to make sure that. | 00:22:08 | |
| If we're going to accept that land and steward that land and for the purposes I think of conservation and access and some of the | 00:22:15 | |
| things that I think we all agree are valued to the state and to the community here and Vineyard and others who use Utah Lake, we | 00:22:21 | |
| certainly don't want to get it tied up into a lawsuit. Again, one of those things that could really delay the project, but also. | 00:22:27 | |
| You know, not a risk that the state is is really interested in taking. So we've taken the approach of trying to work with the | 00:22:35 | |
| individual land owners and I think we're pretty close on being able to get some consensus with many of the land owners, but there | 00:22:39 | |
| are still some hard discussions I think that we all need to have. | 00:22:44 | |
| Dispute resolution meeting here, it's such a great idea. You know, we're very supportive. We have it and all of our documents and | 00:24:29 | |
| we're here, but we want you to go through your process and we are grateful for that. Amber actually is our representative for | 00:24:35 | |
| that. So you guys should connect. I would love that. We appreciate the space to do that and hopefully we'll be able to come back | 00:24:41 | |
| with good news that we found a good resolution and can report back to the project is moving forward and POR is able to make that | 00:24:46 | |
| donation. | 00:24:52 | |
| That's fabulous. All right. Are there any other comments? Otherwise we are just grateful for your time and delineating all of | 00:24:58 | |
| this. I just want to make a comment. Ben is awesome, worked out with them for three years on this. | 00:25:05 | |
| It's very important that there's only two entities that have standing in court. It's the federal government and it's the land | 00:25:13 | |
| owners. It's the only two. Not even the state does. The state could take possession, like you said, if the donation was made to | 00:25:19 | |
| the state, but the two entities. | 00:25:26 | |
| And when you say to, you're talking about multiple land on parcel owners have to come together. The state can't force them. | 00:25:33 | |
| I can't force them. The county can't, the city can't, and so it's upon that. | 00:25:43 | |
| Person the negotiator to try and bring some resolution. That's something that started in 1950 and hopefully we can turn that into | 00:25:49 | |
| a great thing. But just want to recognize private property and we're not speaking for them, but we're as a Vineyard city trying to | 00:25:56 | |
| find resolution to that to better for the citizens. So yeah. And I apologize Jake, you have been involved because your family is | 00:26:02 | |
| part of the discussion. | 00:26:09 | |
| Yeah, can't force them. Yeah. Thank you for stating that. All right. Thank you so much for being here. Drive safely. All right, | 00:26:16 | |
| now we're going to hear from Director Dan Miller from the Utah County Health Department about mosquito abatement. You couldn't be | 00:26:25 | |
| more excited about this discussion. Abatement is one of our favorite words here. So for mosquitoes, mosquito abatement. | 00:26:34 | |
| Who The health director. | 00:26:44 | |
| I'm the director for the Mosquito. | 00:26:46 | |
| It's like the batching. Eric Edwards is a director for the health Former School Teacher High School. | 00:26:50 | |
| You guys, I've I've got to go. | 00:26:57 | |
| My wife's getting mad at me about a dance recital, her annual dance recital. So I got to go. | 00:27:03 | |
| Full disclosure, my two daughters. | 00:27:10 | |
| I'll watch the recording, promise. | 00:27:15 | |
| And Sarah has my questions. | 00:27:17 | |
| Yes, read your text. | 00:27:20 | |
| Thank you for allowing me to come and be with you. | 00:27:25 | |
| And to talk to you about what we're doing and striving to do. I like the idea that you called it abatement. | 00:27:29 | |
| Because it is not eradication. | 00:27:37 | |
| OK. So it's just keeping them in check. These are facts that you are very much aware of. We've even discussed them today as in | 00:27:41 | |
| your other meetings that vineyard is growing. | 00:27:48 | |
| Just kind of out of control almost, at least in our world, about 15.6% annual growth. | 00:27:56 | |
| 2010 there was 100 people living in Vineyard and it was fairly easy to create a boundary between the mosquito population and the | 00:28:05 | |
| 100 people that were living in Vineyard. In 2020 he had almost 13,000 people living here and everyone built into that. | 00:28:15 | |
| A zone of our boundary is where we really kind of set. And so that became a real problem with us. This brings in mosquito. The | 00:28:26 | |
| mosquito habitat and the habitat of humans became closer and closer together. Kevin, I have to tell you, as a resident that lived | 00:28:33 | |
| here during that time, the development made those mosquitoes further apart from me because there was a time where we ran at a | 00:28:41 | |
| certain time to get into the house. You know, you're like, don't be out after this. | 00:28:48 | |
| Soon as sun goes down, you better be in. | 00:28:58 | |
| And but the other thing it did do is it changed the type of control that we could do prior to the population. | 00:29:01 | |
| Increase and a lot of people living here, we could fly with a plane, we could place an organophosphate down and it was very | 00:29:09 | |
| effective and kind of controlled. Mosquitoes also the change, the mosquito species that are here back when you were living here is | 00:29:16 | |
| younger, I would say a little girl. | 00:29:23 | |
| Anyway, whenever you were running from the mosquitoes, you were probably running from the. | 00:29:31 | |
| Beck, Sands and. | 00:29:38 | |
| Dorsalis mosquitoes, which were floodwater mosquitoes from the irrigation and all the other things that were going on in this | 00:29:41 | |
| community. And now we've got to a permanent water mosquito, the Tartalus Aculex genre. And those are the ones that actually carry | 00:29:48 | |
| the diseases that we're most concerned with. And so that created a very different problem for us. | 00:29:55 | |
| I went one too many, but. | 00:30:04 | |
| Let's see if we figure this out. | 00:30:07 | |
| OK, we provide treatment. | 00:30:12 | |
| Treatment for larvae in the water using state biological agents. We treat and storm drains and catch basins and we treat using | 00:30:14 | |
| ultra low volume spray as threshold numbers are reached when we're trying to kill adults. OK. And we all of those things are done | 00:30:21 | |
| here and I want to talk to you just a little bit about what that is in the water. We use a substance called Becomax FG and WSP. | 00:30:28 | |
| These are the active ingredients for these two things are as a specific silicus. | 00:30:36 | |
| And the Phyllis Thorough Genesis, both of these are actually bacterial spores. They were actually discovered in the 70s in Israel. | 00:30:43 | |
| There was an area in Israel that never produced mosquitoes that probably should have. Everyone thought they couldn't figure out | 00:30:53 | |
| why. They started looking, and they found this bacteria in the soil that produced a little spore that caused mosquitoes to die. | 00:31:00 | |
| And it doesn't attack anything else, doesn't do anything else. You can eat it. Your kids can eat it. Horses can eat it. | 00:31:07 | |
| Animals, plants, nothing. It just attacks mosquito larvae and what blackfly larvae, Those are the two things that actually and | 00:31:14 | |
| actually will hit a few of the mint flies. If the mint flies ingest it, it's there. And so it's a really, really effective tool | 00:31:23 | |
| that we use. We have to treat the water to actually have that take place. We actually use drones to get into areas that we treat | 00:31:32 | |
| and we treat it by hand. The other thing we use along with the Vectomax WSP, we put these actually in the storm drains. | 00:31:41 | |
| And your catch basins. | 00:31:50 | |
| The Becomax. | 00:31:53 | |
| Will maintain as long as it's there. We get about three to four week carryover. But as soon as the rainwater event comes or | 00:31:55 | |
| irrigation comes, something that floods it out, it'll wash it out, which is a problem because we get a community like vineyards | 00:32:02 | |
| treated and then two days later it rains. Well, now we're back to square one and we have to come back through and treat it. We | 00:32:08 | |
| found another product, but we're going to use this York called seminar which is and also another WSCP product, but it's not the | 00:32:14 | |
| same bacterial spore. | 00:32:20 | |
| A growth inhibitor and so it won't allow the mosquito larvae to reach a delta and so they die eventually, but they never get, it's | 00:32:28 | |
| like being Peter Pan all along. And so they just stick in that same world until they just finally run out of food or they die. The | 00:32:37 | |
| nice thing about this particular one is that it actually adheres to the concrete and the soil around it so that when we have a dry | 00:32:46 | |
| down event or a flat out event and it reflts the chemicals still there, we can get up to about 120 to 180 day residual. | 00:32:55 | |
| And so we're going to try to use the Vectomax the first time through and then we're going to come back through probably mid-july | 00:33:04 | |
| and hit your storm drains and gutters and hopefully have that carry through. One of the big issues with storm drains and gutters | 00:33:11 | |
| is the Culex pippion is their favorite habitat and that's one of the ones that is a vector for West Nile virus and they bite birds | 00:33:17 | |
| and they bite humans. The birds is a reservoir for West Nile. And so that's one of our issues. We're trying to really stamp that | 00:33:23 | |
| one down. | 00:33:30 | |
| As we go through it, then the last thing we use in control is we use as the adults. We really would rather get them in the water. | 00:33:37 | |
| I can kill thousands of mosquitoes in a small bucket of water. | 00:33:43 | |
| Or, or I can try to treat an entire two or three acres on the wing and maybe get 5 to 10% of the mosquitoes where I can get almost | 00:33:51 | |
| all of them when they're in the water. This is a a the active ingredients for set of XSD. It'll proxim or prox. It's a pyrethroid. | 00:34:02 | |
| The derivative, the rate of application is 1.5 oz per acre. So if you get an idea of what that 6 tablespoons of pesticide of | 00:34:14 | |
| active ingredient is put out for one acre. So very, very low volume of the pesticide that's going out. In fact it's because of the | 00:34:22 | |
| volume rate that it's fairly harmless to any exposure to animals, humans, whatever the case might be. We will only apply this and | 00:34:30 | |
| we do. | 00:34:37 | |
| ULV your community. | 00:34:46 | |
| We do that on a fairly regular weekly, weekly basis. We only apply it after sundown to avoid any exposure to any bees or other | 00:34:48 | |
| pollinators. And that's the label. The label also states that we cannot make any more than 25 applications per year any any | 00:34:56 | |
| particular site. And so that limits us to about one application a week. Sometimes we can get a second application, but we really | 00:35:03 | |
| can't go beyond that. | 00:35:10 | |
| On a real regular basis as we go through it, one of the problems we have from time to time is people hear the truck coming down | 00:35:18 | |
| the street and they all run outside to see what's going on. | 00:35:23 | |
| We turn the Fogger off. We won't spray people. All right. And so maybe one of the things you can tell your community is when you | 00:35:30 | |
| hear the father close the door, shut your windows and let us go. By 30 minutes later, the fog will have done its job. We get about | 00:35:37 | |
| a 300 foot swath from the fogging of that. Now, there are people in every community that don't want to be sprayed. They may have | 00:35:44 | |
| bees in their backyard. They may have those kinds of things that they contact us. | 00:35:52 | |
| So part of that money comes to us so that we can indeed provide you as a community and we have not this Vineyard, but we service | 00:36:32 | |
| the entire Utah County and Utah Lake is a great big pond or lake in the middle of a county that provides us with unique challenges | 00:36:40 | |
| and trying to do that. We also received some minor grant money to serve special projects in the areas of concern. So question is | 00:36:47 | |
| what can you do? What can people do in Vineyard to help us? | 00:36:55 | |
| May control that because that the first most important absolutely can't can't express this anymore. Clearly. Remove standing water | 00:37:03 | |
| buckets, bird baths, old tires, wheelbarrows, sleds, anything that will hold water. Please, please, please remove them. See these | 00:37:12 | |
| down in this corner. | 00:37:22 | |
| These pot holders right here, they mosquitoes will breed in the water sitting in that potholer. I've seen 500 mosquito larvae in a | 00:37:32 | |
| cat food can that someone fed their cat left it out. Fills up with sprinkler water. Rainwater algae grows. Pretty soon you can see | 00:37:40 | |
| hundreds. | 00:37:47 | |
| One QX pippin QX Tarsalis mosquito, which is a vector for West Nile, will lay anywhere between 3 and 500 eggs. | 00:37:56 | |
| And she'll do that three or four times before she dies in the course of two weeks. OK. And I've seen mosquitoes come from being an | 00:38:05 | |
| egg to an adult in 72 hours on hot, hot summer days. So that's the battle we face. You live in an area that has this natural | 00:38:13 | |
| tendency to have water and groundwater in your catch basins and those kinds of places. And so it's just, you know, if you're | 00:38:21 | |
| living up in Highland or Orem or Alpine. | 00:38:29 | |
| Everything's running here. So that's one of the big dilemmas that you face. And so anything we can do to eliminate breeding sites | 00:38:38 | |
| in the backyard, we can't go in everyone's backyard. And so we invite you to help us help yourselves by making sure that the dust | 00:38:46 | |
| just needs to become common practice. I mean, I walk around my yard all the time, and if I see anything with water, it's tipped | 00:38:53 | |
| over my wheelbarrow stored upside down. I mean, it's constant. I can't walk over a storm drain anywhere. | 00:39:00 | |
| I was in Washington DC last week walking on the state Capitol and I'm working at Storm Brains Every time I walk by to see if I can | 00:39:08 | |
| see any mosquito larvae, which we have found. OK, now another thing, and this is a unique. | 00:39:15 | |
| Wake edge phenomena. We need to understand the difference between a mid fly and a mosquito. Of those two pitchers, which one's the | 00:39:22 | |
| midge fly? If you say the top one, raise your hand. | 00:39:28 | |
| OK, how about the bottom one? Where's that? That's the mosquito. Yeah, the mosquito. OK, The top one's the midge fly. The bottom | 00:39:35 | |
| one is the mosquito. The mosquitoes are bad. Mitch flies. Welcome to Utah Lake Living. OK. It's the easiest way I can put it. Now, | 00:39:42 | |
| I've got some thoughts for you on that. Mid flights form large columns that circle upwards. They attract it to light. Will fly in | 00:39:49 | |
| the day and the night. The larva developed in the mud of the lake. That's the dilemma. | 00:39:57 | |
| So they'll lay their eggs on the top, the midge flywheel of the water. The eggs will hatch, they'll Burrow down, get into the mud | 00:40:04 | |
| and they'll go through their in Star levels in the mud. | 00:40:10 | |
| And that's where they are. | 00:40:16 | |
| OK, when they hatch, they land on your windows, on your doors, they're all over your garage doors. I know this because I get phone | 00:40:17 | |
| call from you saying we've got mosquitoes everywhere. And I asked where are they now? They're all over my garage door. And I say | 00:40:25 | |
| thanks, but that's not a mosquito, it's a mid spot. Oh, well, what can you do? And I said, no, we don't. They don't bite. They | 00:40:33 | |
| don't carry disease. We don't treat them. OK, mosquitoes will become aggressive biters at sundown. | 00:40:41 | |
| In a few hours there. And if you've ever been out on Sleepy Ridge Golf Course as the sun starts settling down, you know what I'm | 00:40:50 | |
| talking about. Or even in maybe your backyard, OK, They're seeking a blood mill. They're attracted to carbon dioxide. That's the | 00:40:56 | |
| number one attractant. So every time you exhale, you're saying, here I am, come get me, OK? | 00:41:03 | |
| They also are attracted to light, but not nearly as much as the CO2. We actually use that to trap our mosquitoes. We we use a CL2 | 00:41:11 | |
| gas in our traps and then we fill those up. We've been trapping the last two weeks. | 00:41:19 | |
| And in the three of three of our traps that we've set, we only set six or eight. Three of them were in the Vineyard. They were | 00:41:29 | |
| Geneva, which is just behind the land of Bow Harbor. The other one is just off the Center St. and Vineyard, which is down right on | 00:41:35 | |
| the lake hedge. The other one is at the State Road shop just at the beginning where Pals flew is. And we pull in that. We haven't | 00:41:41 | |
| pulled hardly any mosquitoes out of the Vineyard trap or the Geneva trap. That's what we call it because it used to be in the | 00:41:46 | |
| Geneva property. | 00:41:52 | |
| But the state road traffic, we pulled in three to 400 all culites, which are the. | 00:42:00 | |
| Doctor born mosquito over the last two weeks and so we're very much aware of that and doing what we can to get on top of that. OK, | 00:42:08 | |
| so. | 00:42:12 | |
| As we treat for mosquitoes. | 00:42:19 | |
| We will kill midges, understand, but we're not targeting the midges, all right, as we go through this. So I thought of maybe I | 00:42:21 | |
| could give you some help, just some thoughts of how to deal with the midflies. OK? High intensity white whites have been found to | 00:42:29 | |
| be highly attractive to adult midge flies. | 00:42:36 | |
| So keeping window blinds closed and porch lights turned off during heavy emergent periods to help reduce the number of adults | 00:42:45 | |
| attracted to the area. So we know this, that it's cyclic and you know that because you've seen that as you've lived here. All the | 00:42:51 | |
| sudden they just get really bad. Well, that's because you've had a major hatch come off, something in the environments, cue them | 00:42:58 | |
| and they've started to come. So in those times, turn your porch lights off at night. Closing your blinds so they're not blaring | 00:43:04 | |
| out is going to help reduce. | 00:43:11 | |
| The attractants there, and one other idea that someone suggests is maybe strategically placed high intensity white lights out | 00:43:17 | |
| somewhere away from the city. | 00:43:23 | |
| That would attract them there and not to you. OK, that's a thought. I mean there's expense involved with that and in other words, | 00:43:30 | |
| some research and it's not been would be interesting to do that here with Vineyard that shows that LED lights are less attractive | 00:43:38 | |
| to midflies and and then other night flying insects compared to melech hydrated or fluorescent lighting. So. | 00:43:47 | |
| Something like that, we could, you know, you just have to look and see what the community would accept. But that's one of the | 00:44:29 | |
| things you could do. And maybe looking at the LED lights and they see if there is a neighborhood that was willing to say, let's | 00:44:36 | |
| put these in and as a community and see if that indeed affected the the rate by which they came in. Can I just add, I was watching | 00:44:42 | |
| something about Dinosaur National Monument and their dark sky area and they were talking about LEDs and how much better they are | 00:44:48 | |
| for wildlife and all those things. | 00:44:55 | |
| I mean, if you go to California, there's some places that have the night observatories and they have a very different yellowish | 00:45:03 | |
| light in the street lights so that it doesn't interfere with the telescopes, those kinds of things. And that's a that's a | 00:45:08 | |
| community thing. But I thought, I know that this is a problem. We get lots of phone calls about it. We get lots of emails about | 00:45:14 | |
| it. And so I thought, well, maybe I can try to find something that would be as resource that you could begin to look through that | 00:45:20 | |
| to see what we could do. | 00:45:26 | |
| Life cycle of a mosquito image by the same pretty close a mosquito go from about four to six weeks. | 00:45:32 | |
| Actually two to six weeks at the very outside, it's more like 4 weeks at the end of it. Mid flights are very similar. They will | 00:45:41 | |
| cycle and we see the patches. I don't really write them down and say, but every two to three weeks we can. We almost can tell by | 00:45:48 | |
| the number of calls we get from Saratoga Springs, S Lehigh and Vineyard. Those are the house we we know when it's by hats has | 00:45:55 | |
| happened because of the number of calls that we get from those particular communities. | 00:46:02 | |
| And have you started spraying yet? When do you start? No, we'll start spraying after Memorial Day. We don't spray on a schedule. | 00:46:09 | |
| And I think I need you to understand that very clearly. We spray specifically based upon trap numbers and information that we | 00:46:16 | |
| gather either from the service request, phone calls. | 00:46:22 | |
| Excuse me? | 00:46:30 | |
| Or are we have inspectors that go out, We have 8 field workers that come. We have something someone dedicated to work through this | 00:46:33 | |
| area. | 00:46:37 | |
| And they will go through everyone of the spots that we know where there are larvae and they'll check those every week when we find | 00:46:41 | |
| larvae. And if it's a small enough area, he'll treat it or she will treat it. If it's a large enough area, we bring in a drone and | 00:46:48 | |
| we actually will fly it with the drone, which has been extremely effective. We went from treating maybe 1000 acres in a year to | 00:46:54 | |
| treating 4000 acres just because of the addition of the drone with two or three less people. So it's been really effective and | 00:47:00 | |
| something we're excited to use. | 00:47:07 | |
| We're actually gonna try to use. | 00:47:13 | |
| A drone with the UL ultra low volume capacity and we're probably going to use that maybe in part of this area where we can't get | 00:47:17 | |
| in really easily to the trucks with the trucks, but be able to use the drone to get to places that we can try to maybe control a | 00:47:24 | |
| little bit better. I bet Amber was going to ask this question, but next week is our vineyard days and I don't know if you have | 00:47:31 | |
| started treatments yet, but if if. | 00:47:38 | |
| They're they would be working yet. | 00:47:47 | |
| What day is your vineyard for the weekend? Well, effectively Tuesday through Saturday. | 00:47:49 | |
| And so any treatment prior to that or in the midweek would be, yeah, phenomenal. Monday's a holiday, so we won't be doing Tuesday. | 00:47:55 | |
| Yeah, Tuesdays when you start again if people are out. | 00:48:01 | |
| And we have the trap numbers of the Culex in the South end of this down at the State Road shop that we could we would be able to | 00:48:08 | |
| justify spraying. | 00:48:14 | |
| In that area, we're not getting in Vineyard, we're not getting at the, I mean we're getting 10 mosquitoes out. So we need to have | 00:48:21 | |
| a threshold number to do that. We do that based upon just what they call integrated mosquito management or pest management. We | 00:48:29 | |
| just don't say, hey, it's scheduled, it's Thursday of the week, we're going to go hit this area. We only do it based upon the | 00:48:36 | |
| need. So I didn't have the same question actually. Do you have any presentations like this for youth? I think. | 00:48:43 | |
| Oh yeah, Council would be interested and if we haven't gone to the elementary schools around here, I actually thought. | 00:48:51 | |
| Two a couple weeks ago. | 00:48:58 | |
| Can't remember, two and three weeks ago we were at the Utah Lake I. | 00:49:01 | |
| Consortium and all the 4th graders, and I know them that there were fourth graders from Vineyard because I always ask them where | 00:49:06 | |
| you from? And they said Vineyard and I said, oh, you need to really do this. So kind of really. And their assignment was to go | 00:49:13 | |
| home and walk around their yards and dump out their water. So that was the assignment I gave them as we thought. But that by all | 00:49:19 | |
| means we'll, we will go out and give public presentations. | 00:49:25 | |
| Here to on that particular one was aquatic invertebrates and we had water and they could look at them and did a lot of interactive | 00:49:33 | |
| things so. | 00:49:36 | |
| It just depends on what they're looking for. Will you say that again? How many mosquitoes you found in that cat food can? About | 00:49:40 | |
| 500. | 00:49:44 | |
| Yeah, that that was the larva. I was able to kill 500 mosquitoes by doing nothing more than dumping out the can. And that's | 00:49:50 | |
| literally what you can do. Yeah. It's like dog dishes. We share that every year. So yeah, you should clean those out. Bird baths | 00:49:56 | |
| and anything that gets standing water. And there's those little teeny kiddie pools that kids leave out. They sit in the backyard, | 00:50:02 | |
| and they start getting warm and they turn a little green. Well, there you are. | 00:50:08 | |
| You just created a habitat. | 00:50:15 | |
| We are adjusting our trapping. Like I just said, we started trapeze. We don't start until next week. | 00:50:19 | |
| We trapped a little earlier here in Vineyard. We'll continue to trap in September, October, just to kind of monitor this a little | 00:50:26 | |
| bit. We'll provide that educational outreach to the community like I'm doing here or anything else you need. We're going to extend | 00:50:34 | |
| your spraying a little bit into the warmer mud. Usually we stop in September just after Labor Day because it used to be too cold. | 00:50:41 | |
| And mosquitoes won't fly when it's lower than 50° in the evening, so when temperature drops below 50 they stop flying. | 00:50:50 | |
| Also when the daylight changes about mid-september, they stopped seeking blood mills and they start seeking nectar to either and | 00:51:00 | |
| and what they're doing is preparing to go through the winter. The vector of mosquitoes that carry disease, the mosquitoes that | 00:51:08 | |
| don't do that, that are single brewed mosquitoes with flood water, they're the ones that are coming out we get in September and | 00:51:16 | |
| into October because the temperature doesn't get cold enough to kill them. | 00:51:24 | |
| And it used to, it used to get down into the 40s and the freezing and it would knock him out. But we were. | 00:51:32 | |
| And the environment is changing. And so consequently, we're getting longer summer seasons, fairly mild weather through the end of | 00:51:38 | |
| September into the 1st of October, which has extended our our season and once again. And then the other thing we've talked about | 00:51:45 | |
| already is about putting a different mosquito. | 00:51:51 | |
| Pesticide in the gutters that will give us a longer window and I hope that I really do hope that helps us. | 00:51:59 | |
| Deal with the mosquitoes there. OK. That's what I had to present. Do you have questions that you haven't asked? I have another | 00:52:08 | |
| question. So you said they die at, at below? At what temperature did you say they just started? They stopped flying around 50°. | 00:52:15 | |
| They were thigh. When it freezes. When it freezes. So, so like in October it changed, right? Sometimes we have freezing | 00:52:21 | |
| temperatures in September, sometimes in October. | 00:52:28 | |
| Right. So, so how long of a time does it need to be in that freezing temperature? Pretty well if it gets cold, I mean, if it drops | 00:52:35 | |
| down below 32 once, you know, down into a heart freeze, you know, the, the then we, they're done. And that's some of the things | 00:52:42 | |
| here in the spring. We'll get it. We hit like a couple weeks ago, kind of a real warm couple days, three or four days and all of a | 00:52:49 | |
| sudden they were out, we're getting calls and you know, that kind of thing happened then it turned really cold. Well. | 00:52:57 | |
| Then we get nothing, OK, And so we just kind of roll with the environment. The other issue that you really do face is that like | 00:53:05 | |
| water edge. | 00:53:09 | |
| Flat out when we have high water levels in Utah Lake, we have extremely high mosquito numbers. | 00:53:16 | |
| Umm, I mean. | 00:53:23 | |
| Which we saw in the last few years. Yeah, well. | 00:53:25 | |
| Just off the top of my head, we go back four years in the entire summer and 40 traps that we set every week. Going the entire | 00:53:30 | |
| summer we cut 26,000 mosquitoes. Last summer we caught 265,000 mosquitoes. | 00:53:37 | |
| OK, So you know hundredfold increase and that's that's what we're dealing with. We didn't get the flooding, but we got mosquitoes | 00:53:45 | |
| right. We just got full basins. So what happens and it really does it floods up, it hits especially last year was a real problem | 00:53:52 | |
| because we had such low length levels the year prior and so and the. | 00:53:59 | |
| Floodwater mosquitoes will set lay their eggs along the edge of the water. So just imagine, here's the edge and we've laid our | 00:54:08 | |
| eggs now we've dropped, we've laid our eggs, we've dropped, we've laid our eggs count the years that happened and now we flood it | 00:54:16 | |
| all back up every one of those hats. So we were doing double spring and then we realized the mosquito count. Nothing was changing. | 00:54:24 | |
| But what we did realize is that if we use that money to extend our contracts to go a little bit earlier or a little bit later. | 00:54:32 | |
| When it was formed that that provided the best coverage for our residents, right, exactly. And it's really what we're trying to | 00:54:40 | |
| do. I know that last year you brought in some other, I don't know for you or someone brought in another spring trying to deal with | 00:54:45 | |
| that and. | 00:54:50 | |
| Yeah, we're going to try to, but we do. We're extremely aware of what you're going through. We are sympathetic to the thing and we | 00:54:58 | |
| the last thing I want is anyone to get sick and to get West Nile. | 00:55:04 | |
| Neuro basic West Nile is not a very pretty thing. | 00:55:12 | |
| It. | 00:55:16 | |
| It's long term. It's our commissioner Gardner. There's actually a little video that she did for us that's on our web page. She got | 00:55:17 | |
| W now in her 20s, and she's still suffering from some of the symptoms of West Nile and years and years and years and years later. | 00:55:23 | |
| Yeah. And you guys do such a phenomenal job, especially making sure that people you're getting rid of the mosquitoes that are | 00:55:29 | |
| carriers. It's incredible. | 00:55:35 | |
| And we didn't have any West Nile Hughes. We did have about 5 or 6, maybe 8. | 00:55:44 | |
| Well, mosquito pools, we test in house all the mosquitoes that would carry any vector disease every single week, every time we try | 00:55:50 | |
| them. So, so we can immediately react. We don't send it away. We do it on one house, OK. | 00:55:58 | |
| Thank you. Awesome. Thank you so much for coming. We really appreciate it. It's very meaningful to our community, as you know. All | 00:56:07 | |
| right, we're going to move things around just a little bit. I'm going to ask mayor and council, mayor and council member, reports. | 00:56:12 | |
| Sarah, do you have anything? | 00:56:17 | |
| I just wanted to mention I got the little postcard about Vineyard days to my house. I'm I'm not on social media very often. So I | 00:56:24 | |
| appreciated that. And I think that's. | 00:56:30 | |
| Way to let everybody know it's literally in my backyard and I don't know about it till it shows up in my backyard. So that was | 00:56:36 | |
| awesome. And I was thinking that maybe it would be wise to send a, a card out to the community with this information, right? If | 00:56:43 | |
| they're getting that many phone calls on a regular basis, maybe just because it's such an issue here that that might be good to | 00:56:51 | |
| send to each household. Great idea. And then here's a fun fact. Mosquitoes weren't. | 00:56:58 | |
| Sting you if your blood's full of B vitamins, so. | 00:57:07 | |
| OK, Marty. | 00:57:11 | |
| You don't know about my B vitamins is that I'm doing great. | 00:57:14 | |
| We had a meeting with Lakefront HOA and we made some progress in discussions for parking. | 00:57:19 | |
| And we're going to try to get six of the surveys that go out to see where that comes from. And then my hope is that you guys can | 00:58:02 | |
| meet and go through the resolution and the agreements and talk about those things and review the data and then maybe we can pull | 00:58:08 | |
| it on for. That'd be awesome. Yeah. Thank you. OK, Amber. | 00:58:14 | |
| I wish I had a list of dates for this. I'm so sorry, but it's bike month and so check social media. I can you can reach out to me | 00:58:22 | |
| by e-mail. We still have a couple of events going on, some very fun and successful. Our community garden is going along and we | 00:58:28 | |
| just waiting on that fencing to get in here soon. And we also had a very successful water week, drinking water week, where we | 00:58:34 | |
| collaborated with the library and we got a lot of adults curious about water infrastructure. So we'll try to expand that next | 00:58:40 | |
| year. Excellent. OK. | 00:58:46 | |
| I want to move on to the consent agenda. | 00:58:54 | |
| Did you guys want to discuss any of this or can we get an approval? | 00:58:57 | |
| 7.4, we're asking for removing because it needs more vetting, so that's off. But everything else, 7.17 point 2 and 7.3, if you're | 00:59:02 | |
| curious about the fiscal impact, it was $430 total. I guess we're discussing it. So do you need to discuss it or do you feel like | 00:59:09 | |
| you know it? So we're talking about 7.3. | 00:59:15 | |
| Yeah, I felt comfortable with it. | 00:59:22 | |
| Great. Do you have a motion? Yeah, just to clarify, 7.4 I didn't even. Yeah, OK, sure. I'll make a motion. I move to approve the | 00:59:26 | |
| consent item 7.17 point 2 and 7.3 as presented. | 00:59:32 | |
| OK, first time Marty. Can I get a second? | 00:59:39 | |
| Second by Sarah. All in favor, aye. And just so you know we're moving forward and we're just removing it needs more bedding. OK, | 00:59:41 | |
| Eric came back. There you are. Can we have actually maybe what I'll do is after you do the 3.4, I'll have you do your. | 00:59:50 | |
| Update right after we'll move into public comments. Are there any public comments? Is this time for you to talk to us about what's | 01:00:00 | |
| not on the agenda? | 01:00:04 | |
| Come up, state your name, where you're from. | 01:00:11 | |
| Vineyard resident last City Council meeting. | 01:00:15 | |
| May 8th, I asked the question what the land value was of the property being donated to the city for a future City Hall and I did | 01:00:20 | |
| not receive an answer to that question. Oh, that's good to know. Josh is not here, but we will get that to you. My guess is that | 01:00:28 | |
| he looked it up and then you got to ask the question after he left and then. | 01:00:36 | |
| I had another question. | 01:00:47 | |
| It stopped my mind. So I think that would be it. That was my my most important question. And I'm hoping that we will really think | 01:00:52 | |
| about sitting on this lamp for a little bit and really. | 01:00:59 | |
| Discussing what is most important for Vineyard? Not putting the cart before the horse, just like we're talking about with the FSL. | 01:01:08 | |
| I mentioned that in the April City Council meeting. I wanted to hear their presentation and hear a month later. Congratulations, | 01:01:17 | |
| you got it done really quickly. I appreciate that. | 01:01:22 | |
| We really need to be careful of what we move forward. So thank you. Thanks, Daria. Any other comments? | 01:01:29 | |
| OK, I think there was a comment left. | 01:01:37 | |
| Did you want to read it? | 01:01:41 | |
| Smiley's somebody. | 01:01:43 | |
| But yeah, where I can read it? | 01:01:45 | |
| I told her I would read it. She had to leave. Let's see. Elise Steel. I'm a resident of Orem who's very interested in supportive | 01:01:49 | |
| of the development of Utah City and helped to live there myself. I've lived in places that are walkable in the past and before | 01:01:55 | |
| prefer the kind that kind of neighborhood. It's been a natural way to run into people I know and meet people who live nearby and | 01:02:01 | |
| create a sense of community. After that, living in a car centric areas is very inconvenient way to get around as well as dangerous | 01:02:07 | |
| to cars dangerous to. | 01:02:12 | |
| Yeah, that's fine. I can make that date flexible. OK, great. Is that OK, Jamie? OK. We'll go to the review of certain financial | 01:03:44 | |
| policies related to human resources. | 01:03:50 | |
| And our city manager will present this. | 01:03:57 | |
| I need to get that. | 01:04:11 | |
| Somehow I hit the button that turns everything off. | 01:04:38 | |
| It's my first day. | 01:04:45 | |
| Can we talk about how you're doing a great job? | 01:04:49 | |
| Yeah. | 01:04:53 | |
| The scene after it's loaded. | 01:05:05 | |
| Should I have to load it again Autoplay? | 01:05:07 | |
| OK. | 01:05:16 | |
| I. | 01:05:20 | |
| Sorry about this, I did test it in advance and it worked like charm. | 01:05:25 | |
| Should I throw it out first? | 01:05:33 | |
| Do you want to try to see how it works and we can get the public hearing for the proposed tentative fiscal budget or will that | 01:05:36 | |
| kind of? | 01:05:39 | |
| I've got on the screen I guess. | 01:05:45 | |
| I think we went through everything else. | 01:05:49 | |
| Yeah. | 01:05:52 | |
| I can also just talk through my let's talk through it, yeah. | 01:05:58 | |
| All right. | 01:06:04 | |
| Hold on, can I can I make another comment? | 01:06:06 | |
| I know that there's also a council member that shows a lot of interest in this and they're gone. Would it be worth moving this as | 01:06:10 | |
| well? I mean, my issue is I don't want to go over things twice if you don't need, there's a problem with that one. This has, it is | 01:06:18 | |
| timely. And so he did say he watched us, but it has to be presented during the budget process. And I don't think we have time in | 01:06:26 | |
| the next meeting with what's coming for as far as obligations go. So it does have a slide. It does have. | 01:06:34 | |
| The ability to have, if he wants to change any policy by the 12th, he has to look at this stuff so that we could get it on for the | 01:06:42 | |
| 12th so that it's ready for the June 26th. OK, that's fine. OK. Yeah, I can just. | 01:06:50 | |
| It hasn't liked my computer in the past. | 01:07:00 | |
| Let's go ahead and start talking about it. All right, So I just wanted to go through a policy review of a few items that had been | 01:07:02 | |
| requested. | 01:07:06 | |
| So 6 items in particular, the frequency of seating vehicles leaving the county, travel policy evaluation, per diem policy | 01:07:10 | |
| assessment, hotel policy scrutiny, expenditure changes for items over 5000 itemized down to 200, and then also potential savings | 01:07:17 | |
| for software. | 01:07:24 | |
| So frequency of vehicles leaving the county, we looked into all of these. The pattern of frequency is about one to two times a | 01:07:33 | |
| month per at least two of our departments. Most of our departments stay within the city and and don't have to leave the city. The | 01:07:42 | |
| only time that we generally speaking outside of those one to two meetings that happen to be outside of of Utah County are when we | 01:07:50 | |
| have conferences or trainings that are outside of Utah County. So oftentimes those are up in Salt Lake. | 01:07:58 | |
| Or up in Davis County or down in Saint George, and those are typically when we're seeing our staff leaving Utah County. | 01:08:07 | |
| So at one to two times a month outside of our. | 01:08:16 | |
| Specifically approved conferences. | 01:08:20 | |
| We do have the option of adding GPS trackers to the cars. I don't know that it would necessarily be a worthwhile endeavor as as | 01:08:24 | |
| geographically we are a very small city and most of the travel that's taking place happens just within our our city boundaries. | 01:08:31 | |
| The travel policy evaluation, so. | 01:08:41 | |
| Reimbursements requires prior approval from department heads and or manager and receipts including mileage required. Travel beyond | 01:08:46 | |
| Vineyard city limits during work hours requires department head approval with travel reimbursement request forms needed for trips | 01:08:53 | |
| beyond A50 mile radius and those are submitted 2 weeks prior. City vehicles are required for travel. Employees may use personal | 01:09:01 | |
| vehicles with approval of for conferences. | 01:09:08 | |
| Trips must start and end with the tank full for reimbursement. City vehicle usage prior is prioritized according to the trip | 01:09:16 | |
| length. Reimbursement guidelines include using IRS rate which is at least in this is 54 point $0.05 per mile and no extra | 01:09:24 | |
| reimbursement for trips under 100 miles for those with vehicle stipends. | 01:09:32 | |
| And no additional mileage reimbursement over 100 miles. Only fuel reimbursement applies for those longer trips. | 01:09:43 | |
| Travel should align with normal business hours with approval, reservations and per diem scheduled. | 01:09:50 | |
| And I'm just going to add that everybody on the council has the policy in your packet, in your pamphlet, so you can look at the | 01:09:58 | |
| actual policy in place. You want it to consider red lines. | 01:10:04 | |
| The per diem policy was also requested and so we looked into that. | 01:10:11 | |
| We have exclusions to per diem compensation, so meals are provided as those are when meals are provided as part of your training. | 01:10:17 | |
| So you don't get per diem. If the conference is giving you breakfast and lunch, you wouldn't get per diem for breakfast or lunch, | 01:10:23 | |
| but potentially if it was an overnight you would get that per diem for the dinner. | 01:10:29 | |
| Also, a spouse or companion that incurs expenses while you're traveling would also not be included as part of your per diem | 01:10:36 | |
| reimbursement. We have a receipt policy, so receipts are not required for per diem in advance or compensation unless the employer | 01:10:43 | |
| requests reimbursement above the authorized amount. | 01:10:51 | |
| As far as mandated travel, less than full day compensation. | 01:10:59 | |
| As so when you have travel, we have a breakfast per DM of $7.00, lunch per DM of $10, and dinner per diem of $20. And those are | 01:11:04 | |
| associated with if it's a single day travel, it tells you when you have to depart by 7:00 AM in the morning or a time for lunch | 01:11:13 | |
| and a time that you would have to be returning as part of your work duties to be eligible for the dinner. | 01:11:23 | |
| Hotel Policy. So all hotels or other sleeping accommodations and airplane or other travel accommodations shall be arranged in | 01:11:35 | |
| advance for overnight trips and paid for in advance of the trip. | 01:11:40 | |
| Department head may authorize the cost of a double rather than a single hotel room if those exist anymore. I don't know. To | 01:11:46 | |
| accommodate the travel of a spouse with the employee. All registration fees are paid in advance and. | 01:11:54 | |
| If not feasible, employee reimbursement upon presenting valid receipt and prior travel authorization. | 01:12:03 | |
| The expenditures, we wanted to look at the expenditure policy changes for potentially over five or four. | 01:12:12 | |
| What it currently is currently from zero to $5000. It requires a purchasing agent or a department head or their designee. | 01:12:21 | |
| In fact, for this one I would just summarize by saying. | 01:12:32 | |
| There are procedures for zero to 5000 dollars 5000 to 25,025 thousand to 50 thousand 50,000 plus for non public works purchases | 01:12:36 | |
| 50,000 to 125,000 including public works purchases. | 01:12:44 | |
| And then $125,000 plus for Public Works works purchases and each of those. | 01:12:54 | |
| Have their approval requirements and when you get into those larger ones, 50,000 plus it requires a governing board. | 01:13:01 | |
| Or the mayor for the public works version. | 01:13:11 | |
| And then anything over 125,000 requires a purchasing agent, a department head, city manager. | 01:13:14 | |
| And the mayor and governing board, so those ones are always brought before council and, and approved through through the governing | 01:13:22 | |
| board process. Did you want to talk about, there's a question about itemization? So the suggestion was made that we have council | 01:13:29 | |
| approve every purchase that's over $200.00. And I wanted to point out that that that would be, I mean, the, the, the, the purchase | 01:13:36 | |
| policy has been developed over years and. | 01:13:43 | |
| And if you were to bring it back down with a city of our size last year alone we had 507 purchases that were over $200.00, that | 01:13:51 | |
| would be very, very burdensome for council to review. I think I can't remember what the math was 25 plus per council meeting. And | 01:13:59 | |
| so I think that there is good logic and reason behind having these purchasing thresholds set up as they are with the with the | 01:14:07 | |
| approvals that that it set up for for us to make. | 01:14:15 | |
| As you look at the policy, you can see that as AI mean Eric went over them, but you can see in the policy how they break out the | 01:14:24 | |
| additional signatures that have to go on it for the increments. And so if you have any red lines for those, you would consider | 01:14:30 | |
| that if you look over your policy. | 01:14:36 | |
| Great. And then the last policy that we wanted to look at was potential savings in software. | 01:14:44 | |
| And so if you look at the slide there. | 01:14:50 | |
| We have computer software, Polaris. I don't know if we want to read through all of these or not, but I don't think it's necessary | 01:14:54 | |
| unless the council wants to. The request was, can you go to every department, ask what their software is and see if there's any | 01:15:00 | |
| software that they don't need. And the only one that came up that you brought up and is highlighted is the Placer AI and that's | 01:15:07 | |
| the travel soft. I mean the event software. And what, what did you say was the only opportunity for if you wanted to get rid of | 01:15:13 | |
| that one? | 01:15:19 | |
| The only opportunity that I'm aware of is that. | 01:15:26 | |
| You could use your partners, you could go to another city, you could also have it, but it would require us going over to visit | 01:15:30 | |
| with them. And we use this at all of our events to track attendance and so forth. And so it's quite a helpful tool. | 01:15:38 | |
| But that is the one that you can look at. | 01:15:46 | |
| Or software. | 01:15:51 | |
| So those were all the policies that we're going to evaluate. I mean, you can look at all of them, but those are the ones that they | 01:15:53 | |
| said we might be able to make this work. We're still looking for some redundancies through our cybersecurity examination too. | 01:15:58 | |
| Yeah, that's great. | 01:16:03 | |
| OK. Any questions? | 01:16:09 | |
| Yeah, so. So what's the difference between a purchasing agent and a department head? | 01:16:13 | |
| So our purchasing agent is our finance director. | 01:16:18 | |
| And then a department head would be any of our other department heads. | 01:16:22 | |
| And if you look, if you look in the policy that you were given, I believe the definitions are in there. Yeah, it says that I just | 01:16:26 | |
| didn't know who the purchasing agent was. And then it says up to 25 to 50,000 as a purchasing agent department and mayor or | 01:16:35 | |
| designee who who is the designee? Is that like when we so we can we would have to make a motion to like when we. | 01:16:44 | |
| We've had consent items recently where we make a motion to let you be the designee on certain topics, correct? And you also can | 01:16:53 | |
| have a mayor Pro Tem that would act on the mayors behalf if she ever were out of town or Unsville. | 01:17:00 | |
| OK. Because I understand the $200. | 01:17:07 | |
| Threshold is very low, but the 25 to 50,000. | 01:17:10 | |
| And and you and the mayor and the department head like that seems really high to not have any other input. Keep keep in mind that | 01:17:16 | |
| that all of these expenses, especially these larger expenses are getting approved through the budgeting process by the council and | 01:17:22 | |
| in the beginning and that these are simply the implementation of those. And when we're going under into a contract that is a | 01:17:28 | |
| larger contract, say 150,000 or more which. | 01:17:34 | |
| Isn't super uncommon with some of our larger projects. It comes back to the council, they review the contract, they approve it, | 01:17:41 | |
| they assign someone to sign for that and it moves through. Sarah, we have the same comment last time and we established that in | 01:17:48 | |
| policy so that the council, the governing body takes care of that and it's just administrative implementation for checks and | 01:17:56 | |
| balances. I kind of I have that same thought where I feel like we do approve it's kind of this hard thing where. | 01:18:03 | |
| Hmm, sometimes we approve things on the budget that are generalized, not granular conversation. And then later we find out what | 01:18:12 | |
| those granular things were. We go, oh, I actually didn't really like that purchase. And so I feel like we're kind of, I feel like | 01:18:20 | |
| if we could find a better balance here, there would be less concern. Like I don't want, I don't care how how much you spend on | 01:18:27 | |
| office products and I don't care the day-to-day like $200. | 01:18:34 | |
| Being the threshold sounds awful to me. I don't want to get into that that granule. | 01:18:42 | |
| Daniel didn't work, but I think sometimes there are purchases where I'm like, oh wow, we made a $40,000 contract that I might have | 01:18:47 | |
| not made, but we approved that in the budget, you know, in a generalized department that I want to invest in. And so I think that | 01:18:55 | |
| before you continue, maybe the solution to what you're saying is this. What if we go back and we look at some of those purchases | 01:19:02 | |
| in the last year and we see which ones were itemized, but the council visualized and if there were any that were? | 01:19:10 | |
| Not itemized. Itemized that were in that amount so that if there aren't any, we can understand the policy better and if there are | 01:19:19 | |
| some we can clarify the policy. | 01:19:24 | |
| OK. Yeah, OK. | 01:19:31 | |
| Clarification would be fantastic. | 01:19:33 | |
| OK, so let's pull that together and I'll add that to my list. | 01:19:35 | |
| OK. Any other questions? | 01:19:42 | |
| I just wanted to say to you because I met with Mayor and Eric and Christie today and there were a lot of concerns about the budget | 01:19:44 | |
| and just walking through them. | 01:19:48 | |
| Where you have a big line item. It was really helpful for me today for you to break that down. And I think there's so many | 01:19:55 | |
| questions from the citizens before you do the final budget if you can, because there's, you know, we talked about a few different | 01:20:02 | |
| things and I said, OK, break this down for me. And you gave me, you gave me sums that equals the larger amount that made sense. | 01:20:09 | |
| Right. And I feel like for the citizens to be comfortable with what's coming forward, there's there's just a lot of questions and | 01:20:17 | |
| you answered a lot of my questions in a way that made sense, right? And so I felt comfortable after that. And I feel like the | 01:20:24 | |
| citizens need to know that that level of understanding that you gave me today. Does that make sense? So if you can, if you can do | 01:20:31 | |
| that, just break down those bigger numbers into smaller numbers so they so they make sense. | 01:20:39 | |
| I feel like you'll have more support. Yeah, I agree. And I think what we can do as we have that meeting that we talked about in | 01:20:46 | |
| the earlier meeting is that we can show how to find that information or what's available. | 01:20:53 | |
| OK. Any other questions on that? If not phone your report. | 01:21:01 | |
| All right, there's lots to report on. We, we hold off on these staff reports for a month, so bear with me. I'll try to buzz | 01:21:07 | |
| through these. Our building department, Iron Gate Homes, has submitted 18 plans for single family homes in the Cottonwood | 01:21:12 | |
| subdivision. One of the model homes in the Holdaway Field subdivision has received its certificate of occupancy. I think you can | 01:21:18 | |
| tour that one. I think it's part of their open house. | 01:21:24 | |
| The Parade of Homes House located in James Bay subdivision has also received this certificate of occupancy so it can be in Pray of | 01:21:31 | |
| Homes. | 01:21:35 | |
| Flag Borough has submitted construction plans for the aggregate peers required under the foundation of one of the buildings | 01:21:39 | |
| located in Block 14 D in the downtown area. This will allow them to begin construction on the aggregate Piers before the full | 01:21:45 | |
| building permit has been issued for the building. | 01:21:51 | |
| Parks and Rec. | 01:21:58 | |
| The bike tour of Utah occurred on Saturday, May 18th. The bike rodeo occurred on Monday, May 20th. Lots of cool activities that | 01:22:01 | |
| have both happened and are about to happen. A vineyard. Vineyard Days is next week. Please check the Vineyard days.org website For | 01:22:09 | |
| more information regarding the activities for each day. We look forward to having lots of residents out of that page. Thomas | 01:22:17 | |
| joined the Parks team and as Parks Seasonal worker, so if you see an unfamiliar face. | 01:22:24 | |
| Say hi. | 01:22:33 | |
| Shade sales for Grove Park and Penny Springs Park have been reposted for bids. Splash pad passed the Utah County health inspection | 01:22:35 | |
| so the Vineyard Grove Park splash pad is good to open up on Friday, May 24th. So you said the shade sounds of being rebbed, we're | 01:22:41 | |
| not getting them. What happened? | 01:22:47 | |
| The plant, just just for clarity on the scheduling, we were expecting on the previous bid that they would get installed at least | 01:22:55 | |
| the post would get installed sometime towards the end of the summer. | 01:23:00 | |
| And so not all is lost. Everything will be ready. It should be ready to go for next summer, but during the bidding process. | 01:23:06 | |
| It, it just didn't quite make it through with the, our ability to go into contract with anyone because of not meeting certain | 01:23:15 | |
| requirements of that bid process. Sure, you can name your arrows at me because I, I directed them to read it. They had a few of | 01:23:23 | |
| the proposers attend the mandatory pre bid building and then the proposal they received was from somebody that didn't attend. | 01:23:31 | |
| And then they had a single proposal. And so it wasn't competitive in the way that we would want it to be in Canaan at a higher | 01:23:40 | |
| dollar amount. | 01:23:44 | |
| And so with that anomaly, it makes sense to repost it to make sure that we get competition on the bed. So I for some reason, I | 01:23:48 | |
| thought we were getting them at the beginning of this summer. Was that never the plan? Oh, that was the desire. OK, certainly the | 01:23:54 | |
| desire. It just. | 01:23:59 | |
| The bid process. | 01:24:05 | |
| So arrows at Jamie. | 01:24:07 | |
| Yes, for sure. So when I sunburns, I'm just kidding. I will say I have at least one other city clinic that's having a hard time | 01:24:10 | |
| procuring state sales. So it's not an issue limited to Vineyard. | 01:24:16 | |
| Just you're at the common denominator, I guess you know? | 01:24:22 | |
| I'm just putting you in the hot seat and thank you for that clarification. And Jamie, thank you for helping us stay competitive in | 01:24:28 | |
| our pricing. I really do appreciate that. | 01:24:32 | |
| OK, so not to be missed, Friday, May 24th, this Friday the splash pad will be open and that will be open every day of the week | 01:24:38 | |
| from 10:00 AM to 8:00 PM until Labor Day. | 01:24:43 | |
| Parks and Rec Master Plan is underway. Public outreach is about to begin on Saturday, June 1st from 11:00 AM to 2:00 PM at Grove | 01:24:49 | |
| Park. | 01:24:54 | |
| Spring soccer ends tomorrow and there were over 1000 registrants for youth soccer this year, which is the biggest program we have | 01:25:01 | |
| ever had by about 10%. | 01:25:06 | |
| Fall soccer and flag football are are open for registration right now. | 01:25:13 | |
| Parking stalls have been. | 01:25:18 | |
| Repaved at Gammon Park. | 01:25:21 | |
| Moving into public works. | 01:25:24 | |
| The Community Gardens fence installation was delayed due to rain on Monday. Concrete is rescheduled for May 28th. Depending on the | 01:25:27 | |
| concrete curing, the fence will be installed about one to two weeks after that. | 01:25:33 | |
| The Robbins property. Gammon Park. | 01:25:41 | |
| Is being farmed this year for an early harvest crop so that we can start with some of our projects on there with the soccer | 01:25:45 | |
| fields. | 01:25:49 | |
| We received the draft Water Master Plan and staff will be begin reviewing that for comments and the next step will be to complete | 01:25:58 | |
| an impact fee assessment study based on the Water Master Plan. Our engineering met with the City of Orem City Engineering to | 01:26:05 | |
| discuss improvements along 400 S segment by Lakeside Park. The discussions included lane realignment, pedestrian crossing, bulb | 01:26:12 | |
| outs and dedicated bike lanes. | 01:26:19 | |
| Orem City, Vineyard City and UDOT will work together to apply for a federal Safe Streets for All Planning design grant to improve | 01:26:27 | |
| the Geneva Corridor from 1600 N. | 01:26:32 | |
| All the way down to 400 S. | 01:26:38 | |
| The solar powered area light will be installed again at Grove Park by the basketball court. Unfortunately, the original foundation | 01:26:42 | |
| was repurposed and was determined to not be adequate to handle the connections needed for this particular life. So it will operate | 01:26:49 | |
| at night and is connected via the web so that Parks and Recreation team can monitor and operate that. | 01:26:56 | |
| Water Systems projects Central Utah Water continues to work along Mill Road and 400 N as part of the their Vineyard Wells | 01:27:04 | |
| upgrades. Central Utah Water Public Outreach has been coordinating with Public Outreach to keep up or to keep residents aware of | 01:27:11 | |
| the delays and closures due to that construction. | 01:27:18 | |
| The city's water pipeline continues and nears the end. | 01:27:26 | |
| City contractors have started restriping travel lanes and road markings on several streets. The streets division will also seal | 01:27:31 | |
| cracks on many of the public streets and trails around the city, so watch for them out there. | 01:27:38 | |
| Please be careful as you drive around those work areas. | 01:27:46 | |
| As we move into spring and summer seasons, irrigation systems citywide are in full operation. If you see any broken sprinkler | 01:27:50 | |
| heads, please contact the City via Report of Concern or or to the online customer service chat. | 01:27:57 | |
| The city finished celebrating Drinking Water Week with many activities for residents and children. If you want to learn more about | 01:28:05 | |
| conserving water, visit dnrssiteitsconservewater.utah.gov. | 01:28:13 | |
| Community Development The Vineyard Beach Park was submitted to FFSL as we heard today for their review. | 01:28:23 | |
| Developing We're developing a short term rental ordinance, the station area plan, meeting with property owners to find alignment | 01:28:30 | |
| of the land use plan, fire station design. We're just finalizing the term sheet and preparing that for signatures. | 01:28:39 | |
| City Hall. We've been meeting with contractors in other cities recently that have had construct our city halls constructed to get | 01:28:48 | |
| good feedback from them and best practices and things to avoid. | 01:28:55 | |
| Mill Rd. Corridor Master Plan prepping the RFP to choose a consultant, the project being managed by MAG Wayfinding Wayfinding | 01:29:02 | |
| Signage Master plan, prepping the RFP to choose a consultant as well, and that project is also being managed by MAG. Economic | 01:29:12 | |
| Development Strategic plan is just we're working on finalizing the draft for public review on that. | 01:29:21 | |
| Site plans. The Holdaway Fields Church. | 01:29:31 | |
| The Geneva Rd. management unit. There's a two-story office building and then also a Wendy's drive through restaurant. | 01:29:40 | |
| And then public. | 01:29:48 | |
| That's in the that's in the Geneva Rd. management unit. | 01:29:50 | |
| What's that mean? Sorry, next use unit you mean over by AutoZone or O'reilly's to kind of to the north of where the McDonald's is | 01:29:55 | |
| going to the north of McDonald's right now S sorry. | 01:30:01 | |
| South of O'reilly's. OK, just very interesting. Thank you. | 01:30:10 | |
| And then public safety, just one announcement, the Sheriff's Department held their annual awards assembly and I was able to attend | 01:30:17 | |
| that with Holden and that was a great event. A couple or one of our. | 01:30:24 | |
| Deputies received an award at that event and it was really and a group, yeah, it was neat to be part of that and see their. | 01:30:32 | |
| The unification that that big gathering created. So I'm so glad you mentioned this. This is something that we should all run by | 01:30:43 | |
| their offices and say thank you and just publicly thank you for what you guys do because it's hard and it's amazing that you do | 01:30:50 | |
| it. I had the flu. I was really bummed not to be able to go, but I'm really amazing. Thank you for bringing that up. | 01:30:57 | |
| Yeah, we really appreciate you. I also wanted to thank the community. I think Jacob would have done it as well if you would have | 01:31:04 | |
| been here. But the flags that were put out for Officer Hoser Hoosier, sorry. That was really great that the community was | 01:31:10 | |
| represented there and it didn't go unnoticed. Yeah, it was nice. | 01:31:17 | |
| OK. I did have a question. Wow. OK. I mean there's like 100 things that will you e-mail that to us and then also. | 01:31:25 | |
| The short term rentals ordinance, has there been change in legislation at the state that required us to change that or that just | 01:31:35 | |
| kind of? | 01:31:39 | |
| Well, Sammy, do you have something on that? Yeah, but I don't think there's been a change in legislation to the state. I think the | 01:31:45 | |
| changes that the city has some projects coming online that. | 01:31:51 | |
| Earned him to have some short term rentals. And if we don't have an ordinance in place, there's no way to regulate that, right? | 01:31:57 | |
| Yes, OK. So, but we can review the policy that went through this year that probably will come back next year and see how it | 01:32:03 | |
| aligns. Say that again, there was policy that came up that I don't think made it through the session, but might come through | 01:32:09 | |
| interim. Yeah, I'm sure that's true. Yeah, it'd be great. I'd love to see that specifically. | 01:32:16 | |
| Yeah, I will. OK. Thank you. | 01:32:23 | |
| OK, let's go ahead and get to 9 point 9.1 and open a public hearing for our proposed tentative fiscal year 2024-2025 budget, which | 01:32:26 | |
| you all have been waiting for. I need a motion to open the public hearing. Yes, I move to open the public hearing. Thank you, | 01:32:34 | |
| Amber, Second by Marty, All in favor, aye. All right, Christy, take it away. | 01:32:42 | |
| Gladly, I've been waiting all night for this. I'm excited now. | 01:32:50 | |
| So I think it was very informational and I think this process is working and that as she has questions, she comes to me and as | 01:33:30 | |
| U.S. citizens have questions, you go to your representative. So continue to reach out to her. And this council, if you have not | 01:33:38 | |
| gone to your meeting, it's really imperative to go to that meeting and to schedule it. You will come to understand the budget | 01:33:45 | |
| really well. You'll be able to ask questions and you'll be able to answer the citizens questions the more. | 01:33:53 | |
| Of those meetings that you attend and take advantage of. So please attend those meetings and take advantage of them. Yes, and | 01:34:00 | |
| there will be additional meetings between now and the next. | 01:34:06 | |
| Sorry, no. So there will be meetings with the council and any other questions I have in the next couple weeks. So again, citizens, | 01:34:15 | |
| please reach out to your council members and they can bring questions to us and we can get those answered. In line with what we | 01:34:22 | |
| did with the RDA budget, I thought it might be most informative to go over the capital projects that we are planning. Again, this | 01:34:29 | |
| is just a tentative plan. This obviously can change. I did want to make a note that because revenues are. | 01:34:36 | |
| So my understanding is that the Public Safety Master plan is new. | 01:35:18 | |
| The Parks master Plan. | 01:35:25 | |
| Is contracted. Thank you. | 01:35:28 | |
| Trying to read Morgan's handwriting on the Gammon Park fields and parking that is a new. | 01:35:31 | |
| New project that it's based on the parks master plan that they did. | 01:35:39 | |
| The shaded benches for the trails. | 01:35:47 | |
| Was council directed in 2023? | 01:35:50 | |
| Not to be. I'm going to go down to real quick. Not to be confused with the five park benches with shades. So the difference is. | 01:35:53 | |
| Benches along the trails versus benches that are actually in the parks just to go back up public works building improvements. | 01:36:02 | |
| That's an ongoing project continued from last year. | 01:36:08 | |
| Economic development strategic plan is carryover. | 01:36:14 | |
| The slide hill at Grove Park is carryover. | 01:36:19 | |
| The skate park designed for the central corridor is a new project. | 01:36:24 | |
| Why isn't it going again? | 01:36:35 | |
| Thank you. | 01:36:42 | |
| The Modular Roundabout is a new project. | 01:36:45 | |
| Tukaro Park and overpass design is a carryover. | 01:36:48 | |
| Holdaway Road Bike Blvd. design is the second phase, so it is ongoing. | 01:36:53 | |
| The Holdaway Fields Park design is a new project. | 01:37:00 | |
| Citi Facility Dumpsters Enclosures is a new project. | 01:37:05 | |
| The resurfacing of the courts at Grove Park is a new again that was part of the parks master plan. | 01:37:09 | |
| The Arts Commission wraps wrap tax allocation is new in that we did it last year and we're asking that you do it again this year, | 01:37:17 | |
| but again, that's at your purview. | 01:37:22 | |
| The grant matching funds is a new item. As you saw a couple of the budget amendments that have come down the pipeline the last | 01:37:29 | |
| couple months. There were funds that were needed for grant matching and so we thought we'd get ahead of the curve this time and | 01:37:34 | |
| allocate some funds to that. | 01:37:38 | |
| And then the crosswalks is ongoing. It's part of the active transportation plan. | 01:37:43 | |
| All right. Questions from the public. | 01:37:52 | |
| Hi, David Loray. | 01:38:03 | |
| Hallway Rd. Could you tell me a little more about the whole way road bike Blvd. design? It's just a second portion of that plan, | 01:38:05 | |
| is that right? And so the first portion was what the speed limit sign, is that right? | 01:38:11 | |
| Thanks. Thank you for the music school chairs here. | 01:38:28 | |
| And where I found for workers comp later. | 01:38:32 | |
| So the second part of the whole way, excuse me, the whole way of rows by Blvd. is the actual design assessment on how he keeps | 01:38:37 | |
| wondering about the first portion. The first portion, yes, Sir, I'm sorry. The first portion was the speed limit times and the | 01:38:45 | |
| stop and the stop sign, stop sign. And the 2nd portion is an open design thing. What's that about? So the second portion of it is | 01:38:52 | |
| to kind of design the wanes in order to help. | 01:38:59 | |
| Allow for the bikes to be on the road so I can stay in safer, safer, safer. Portion of one of the items would be to work with the | 01:39:09 | |
| developer that's home center on the north side of the student orchid. | 01:39:13 | |
| To connect the trail to connect the trail that they have that goes from lakeside, excuse me, lakeside park all the way to the | 01:39:19 | |
| whole way Rd. excuse me and then carry that over carry that down. Okay, so we'll let it stand up in an actual. | 01:39:27 | |
| An actual. | 01:39:36 | |
| Bike way? Or is this just a plan? This is how we're going to do it when we get around to doing it. | 01:39:39 | |
| Well, I designed to be voted on. It's yeah, we're gonna do the design and then kind of like for example, the safety for all grant | 01:39:44 | |
| money that's out there that we're pursuing for. | 01:39:51 | |
| These iPhones, they also have implementation funds and that's where we would be like looking at moving towards. Some of the funds | 01:40:00 | |
| are for like temporary improvements and family temporary improvements being like some followers and so forth. | 01:40:07 | |
| That could help out and so forth, so we could see what we would, what would actually work. | 01:40:15 | |
| So is this, this is a you have a committee or something that that works on this then is that how it works? Are you going to have | 01:40:21 | |
| contact with the firm? Yeah. So this would be contacted out through longer consulting firms. So we have a list of design | 01:40:27 | |
| consultants pre proof that went through vending process. | 01:40:33 | |
| And I said we would pick one of those consultants to work on the concept plan, then from there when that gets approved and then | 01:40:39 | |
| it'll go to a real engineering firm to actually do the actual design. OK. And will there be a chance for a resident input into | 01:40:47 | |
| that design process? Yeah. And knowing more, knowing Morgan, he values a resident input design part of that. So I would say the | 01:40:54 | |
| answer would be us. Cool. | 01:41:01 | |
| I can offer myself as a volunteer. | 01:41:09 | |
| When that when that happens, thank you. Any other public comment? | 01:41:13 | |
| OK, let's go ahead of a public hearing unless you want to continue it to the next. | 01:41:19 | |
| Should we continue it? | 01:41:25 | |
| I'm cool to do what you guys want to do. Sure, let's continue. If I can make a suggestion just from a I think your best practice | 01:41:28 | |
| from a legal perspective is just vote on accepting the tentative budget. It doesn't commit or bind it anything, but it's in | 01:41:33 | |
| keeping with the. | 01:41:39 | |
| What the budget process is for the state? OK, so I moved to close the public hearings point of order real quick. | 01:41:46 | |
| The tentative budget was approved at the last meeting. This was just a public hearing. Oh, thank you. Never mind then you can just | 01:41:54 | |
| close the public hearing. | 01:41:58 | |
| I was mistaken on what had happened during the last meeting, but if you do want to close it, we can still accept public comment if | 01:42:06 | |
| there is, however you want to facilitate it. | 01:42:10 | |
| Amber, do you have an opinion? | 01:42:15 | |
| So what would you like to do? I don't have a strong opinion so. | 01:42:18 | |
| Basically, it's an official, if we keep it up and we're officially saying next time where we have public, we have public input, | 01:42:24 | |
| but the mayor saying that we can still have public input next time without making it an official public hearing. I'm assuming | 01:42:30 | |
| we're doing the public hearing officially because it's also required. That's correct. And you'll have a second public hearing | 01:42:36 | |
| that's required when you actually adopt the budget. So this isn't your only public hearing and of course you can have public | 01:42:42 | |
| comment during the meetings, but. | 01:42:47 | |
| I would recommend clothing that it's one that was noticed for the last meeting and it doesn't. Yeah, legally it doesn't help you. | 01:42:54 | |
| Just to keep it open Again, I moved to close the public hearing. | 01:42:59 | |
| Second, second by Amber, all in favor, aye. And take this excused. And that brings us to the close of our meeting. We do have a | 01:43:07 | |
| closed session. So I need a motion to go into a closed session. So excitement for the purpose of the closed session is a strategy | 01:43:13 | |
| session about pending a reasonably imminent litigation. | 01:43:20 | |
| Right. A first name, Marty, for the reasons stated by Jamie. May I have a second, second, second by Sarah? All in favor, Aye, All | 01:43:28 | |
| right. And that meeting, I have to make sure that the motion also carries that that will happen right after this meeting is over. | 01:43:37 | |
| OK. Yes, with that that addition and Sarah, did you second that? | 01:43:48 | |
| That was your second. OK. All in favor, aye. All right. Meeting adjourned. Thank you for coming. | 01:43:53 | |
| And. | 01:44:00 |