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| Give me just a second. | 00:00:01 | |
| Started. | 00:00:05 | |
| It is still August 28th, 2024. The time is 6:34 PM. | 00:00:08 | |
| And we are going to get our Vineyard City Council meeting. | 00:00:15 | |
| We'll start with our proclamation. | 00:00:19 | |
| I'll go ahead and read this. | 00:00:22 | |
| Proclamation 2024-06. | 00:00:23 | |
| Is Constitution proclamation? | 00:00:27 | |
| Where? | 00:00:30 | |
| September. | 00:00:31 | |
| 2024. | 00:00:33 | |
| Marks the 200. | 00:00:35 | |
| And 37th annual. | 00:00:36 | |
| Our anniversary of the drafting of the Constitution of the United States of America by the Constitutional Convention and WHEREAS. | 00:00:39 | |
| Every anniversary of the Constitution provides. | 00:00:46 | |
| A historic opportunity for. | 00:00:49 | |
| For all Americans to learn about and to reflect upon the rights and. | 00:00:51 | |
| Privileges. Uh. | 00:00:54 | |
| Of citizenship and its responsibilities. | 00:00:56 | |
| And whereas it is fitting and proper to accord official recognition to this magnificent document. | 00:00:58 | |
| And it's memorable anniversary. | 00:01:04 | |
| Into the patriotic celebrations. | 00:01:06 | |
| Which will commemorate the. | 00:01:08 | |
| The occasion. | 00:01:09 | |
| Now, therefore, I do we former mayor of the City of Vineyard. | 00:01:11 | |
| Utah hereby proclaim the month of September, 2024 as Constitution Month. | 00:01:14 | |
| And urge all citizens to study the Constitution and reflect on the privilege of being an American. | 00:01:20 | |
| With all the rights and responsibilities. | 00:01:25 | |
| Which that. | 00:01:28 | |
| Privilege involves. | 00:01:29 | |
| Go ahead and sign this. | 00:01:31 | |
| And then we're going to go ahead and move into our. | 00:01:40 | |
| Staff report and today we have our government consultants here with us today. | 00:01:44 | |
| And I just wanted to invite them up to give us a report as we start to move into. | 00:01:49 | |
| The legislative session. | 00:01:53 | |
| Come on up. | 00:01:55 | |
| Thank you, Mayor, Council members, happy to be with you today. | 00:02:01 | |
| Give you an update on kind of where things are at the state level. There's a lot of activity. This is when the busy season begins. | 00:02:07 | |
| Going into the fall. | 00:02:13 | |
| The Legislature met last week in its interim session. | 00:02:15 | |
| There's a flurry of activity around a ballot measure. You may have heard about that. | 00:02:19 | |
| There's a constitutional amendment. | 00:02:23 | |
| On about this fall. | 00:02:25 | |
| That affects how ballot initiatives will be. | 00:02:27 | |
| Structure gonna say to that. | 00:02:30 | |
| It should have passed. | 00:02:32 | |
| That was done in reaction to some state Supreme Court. | 00:02:35 | |
| State Supreme Court ruling. | 00:02:38 | |
| And how the state can address? | 00:02:41 | |
| Laws are passed by citizen initiatives, so that's coming forward and it's that. | 00:02:43 | |
| That in addition to that on the ballot, there's other. | 00:02:48 | |
| Constitutional amendments and other things will be considered, including. | 00:02:51 | |
| For our deputy, including making the chair of the Constitutional State Office. | 00:02:55 | |
| So. | 00:02:58 | |
| Path will be good. | 00:03:00 | |
| But this is also the time when when the. | 00:03:04 | |
| Legislative Communities. | 00:03:07 | |
| Start preparing. | 00:03:08 | |
| Legislative committee bills, which are formal actions by a committee. | 00:03:10 | |
| If they pass a bill. | 00:03:13 | |
| In in August, September, October. | 00:03:14 | |
| And it passes. | 00:03:17 | |
| With a supermajority of the committee. | 00:03:19 | |
| Then it becomes what's called the committee bill. | 00:03:21 | |
| Those bills skip the. | 00:03:23 | |
| Can't skip the committee process in a legislative session, so there's a way to expedite. | 00:03:24 | |
| Bill. So that activity begins now. | 00:03:29 | |
| And and and there will be several. | 00:03:31 | |
| Aggressive legislators who will have. | 00:03:34 | |
| Try to get the pills for. | 00:03:36 | |
| Committees in advance because. | 00:03:37 | |
| It's become become such a. | 00:03:39 | |
| Umm, it. | 00:03:42 | |
| There creates such a backlog during the session it's hard to get things done. | 00:03:44 | |
| So as we see more. | 00:03:47 | |
| Bills every year. | 00:03:50 | |
| In the Legislature. | 00:03:51 | |
| Committee does become more popular. | 00:03:52 | |
| We'll be watching for those. Some of those will. | 00:03:54 | |
| Will could potentially affect the city. | 00:03:56 | |
| There will be transportation bills, for example. | 00:04:00 | |
| There will be there there. | 00:04:03 | |
| Could be a bill on tax economic effect. | 00:04:05 | |
| This coming session, so we'll watch. | 00:04:09 | |
| Those coming forward me. | 00:04:11 | |
| Affect the city may be of interest to the city. | 00:04:13 | |
| And let you know what those are when they're made available. But as you know, most bills aren't made public until into the | 00:04:15 | |
| legislative session. | 00:04:18 | |
| Sometimes late into the legislative session. | 00:04:22 | |
| So we like them earlier because. | 00:04:24 | |
| It's an easier way to get a hold of them. Also, this is the time when the governor's office. | 00:04:27 | |
| The executive branch starts preparing their budget. | 00:04:31 | |
| The governor. | 00:04:34 | |
| Submits his budget to. | 00:04:35 | |
| The Legislature every fall. | 00:04:37 | |
| Usually October. | 00:04:39 | |
| That's a recommendation of a budget because the legislative branches. | 00:04:41 | |
| Has the power of the purse, as you know so. | 00:04:45 | |
| Just a recommendation that. | 00:04:47 | |
| The governor's office prepares. | 00:04:49 | |
| They're taking feedback from. | 00:04:50 | |
| All the executive agencies right now that includes. | 00:04:52 | |
| Issues like roads and transit. | 00:04:55 | |
| And uh. | 00:04:56 | |
| Other things that. | 00:04:58 | |
| The state pays for. | 00:04:59 | |
| And so there's. | 00:05:02 | |
| There will be a formative activity in September and October. | 00:05:03 | |
| Regarding. | 00:05:07 | |
| Spending issues regarding. | 00:05:09 | |
| Probably housing. | 00:05:11 | |
| Probably transportation, probably lots of things that you'll want to be aware of and. | 00:05:12 | |
| We'll be watching those and. | 00:05:17 | |
| And. | 00:05:18 | |
| We'll make you aware of what we know of. | 00:05:20 | |
| When we know of it. | 00:05:21 | |
| That would have impact on the city, so we can. | 00:05:22 | |
| Have input early. | 00:05:24 | |
| It's a lot easier to mend things early than to try to change things late. | 00:05:26 | |
| So. | 00:05:30 | |
| In addition to that, we've been working. | 00:05:32 | |
| Umm, with the city. | 00:05:34 | |
| With staffing with the mayor on. | 00:05:37 | |
| Some of the regional. | 00:05:40 | |
| Issues like. | 00:05:41 | |
| The ongoing. | 00:05:43 | |
| Discussions with Union Pacific Railroad about realignment of rail lines and how that impacts. | 00:05:44 | |
| The region. | 00:05:48 | |
| There are discussions going on about regional transportation issues. | 00:05:49 | |
| That regarding the Olympics. | 00:05:53 | |
| The Olympics. | 00:05:56 | |
| Transportation plan has been published, but it doesn't include a lot of things that will get attitude overtime. | 00:05:58 | |
| I'm so old that I was actually working for Senator Bob Bennett. | 00:06:04 | |
| Your Senator, Bob Bennett. | 00:06:09 | |
| Who are the appropriator? | 00:06:11 | |
| The last for the last Olympics. | 00:06:12 | |
| And there will be. | 00:06:14 | |
| A lot of money that comes from the federal government to support the Olympics. | 00:06:17 | |
| And. | 00:06:20 | |
| How that gets allocated and how that gets? | 00:06:22 | |
| How those appropriations get done? | 00:06:24 | |
| And where they get done. | 00:06:26 | |
| Will be have a big impact on the state. It's quite a. | 00:06:29 | |
| Big cash infusion for the state and a lot of infrastructure in particular. | 00:06:31 | |
| Can be done in those. | 00:06:35 | |
| Periods of time. | 00:06:36 | |
| There's. So there were conversations, for example. | 00:06:38 | |
| Going on now about. | 00:06:40 | |
| The fact that the Provo airport is increasing in its service, it's increasing, including international service and moving people | 00:06:41 | |
| from that airport. | 00:06:45 | |
| To venues. | 00:06:48 | |
| Whether it be the ice rink which is will be just. | 00:06:50 | |
| Up the street. | 00:06:53 | |
| Or whether the up to Heber Valley? | 00:06:54 | |
| Or to. | 00:06:58 | |
| Points N how you move people from that upward efficiently. | 00:06:59 | |
| That are here for the games we discussed. | 00:07:02 | |
| And there will very likely be funding. | 00:07:04 | |
| Associated with that and so. | 00:07:07 | |
| Those conversations are starting now. | 00:07:09 | |
| Because there's the Olympic planning will begin. | 00:07:11 | |
| Because 10 years will go by fast. So again. | 00:07:13 | |
| You're in the inner city, being in the middle of. | 00:07:15 | |
| Of his the valley and on the transportation corridors. | 00:07:19 | |
| You'll want to be part of this conversation. So we're watching those and. | 00:07:23 | |
| Monitoring those as well. | 00:07:26 | |
| There, there will always be. | 00:07:28 | |
| A myriad of water issues and other things that come up that could affect. | 00:07:31 | |
| Your city. So much for those. | 00:07:34 | |
| And. | 00:07:37 | |
| I guess if you have any questions, I'm happy to take him to. That's kind of. | 00:07:38 | |
| What starts? | 00:07:41 | |
| Really, it's post Labor Day things get. | 00:07:42 | |
| One of the things that we're going to be doing as we move into this year is. | 00:07:44 | |
| We're going to be having. | 00:07:49 | |
| Legislative review meetings with our government consultants. | 00:07:50 | |
| So we can start prepping for what? | 00:07:54 | |
| We want to see as a council. | 00:07:56 | |
| And then we'll bring that back if there's ongoing projects, of course, like the railroad and. | 00:07:57 | |
| Our transit and transportation and water and everything done. | 00:08:02 | |
| Seth mentioned but. | 00:08:05 | |
| Other things that we're interested, we'll have those discussions down the line. | 00:08:07 | |
| So any questions? | 00:08:11 | |
| Just one for the community. | 00:08:15 | |
| With their constitutional amendments on the ballot, do you have a recommendation? Where? | 00:08:17 | |
| Voters can go and get more information. | 00:08:21 | |
| Yeah, well, the Lieutenant Governor's office will have links to. | 00:08:24 | |
| Pro the each side. | 00:08:28 | |
| The same thing is published in the Voter Information Guide. Those haven't been written yet, but they will be. | 00:08:30 | |
| And I can't remember the timeline. They're required well in advance and. | 00:08:35 | |
| The if you go to elections that you Gov you'll be able to find links to those. | 00:08:39 | |
| In addition. | 00:08:44 | |
| I can promise you there will be no shortage of information. | 00:08:45 | |
| Sent to you. | 00:08:48 | |
| By both sides of all issues. | 00:08:50 | |
| It'll be election year. | 00:08:54 | |
| Male. Overwhelming. | 00:08:56 | |
| The volume to your mailboxes again. | 00:08:57 | |
| But you know, some of these issues are. | 00:08:59 | |
| Are can be pretty important to how things are. | 00:09:02 | |
| Function in the state, especially when they talk about. | 00:09:05 | |
| Validations and election laws and things like that. So, but for the constitutional mind, so. | 00:09:09 | |
| Those ballot measures have. | 00:09:13 | |
| Written pros and cons that get published so those of you they'll be available soon. | 00:09:15 | |
| Any other questions? | 00:09:22 | |
| Yeah, I have a lot. | 00:09:23 | |
| I don't know how much time you're gonna give me. | 00:09:24 | |
| We don't have a lot of time for this boat. | 00:09:26 | |
| You could take a few if you have some questions that you want to take offline, I know. | 00:09:28 | |
| Yeah, I'd just like to ask him publicly and if you could get back to me, how many different people could we get a list of everyone | 00:09:32 | |
| that you represent currently so that we can. | 00:09:37 | |
| Look and check for conflicts of interest. Yeah, you can. It's also. | 00:09:41 | |
| That's also public information because we registered publicly so you can get a lobbyist. Utah Gov. | 00:09:44 | |
| And it's listed there. Our clients are listed there. | 00:09:49 | |
| All of our previous clients are actually there, so when you unregister for client stays there. | 00:09:52 | |
| Clients as well. | 00:09:56 | |
| I noticed in the article that was published in by the Salt Lake Tribune through the. | 00:09:58 | |
| I want to quote this. | 00:10:03 | |
| Journalism Project. | 00:10:07 | |
| That you guys. | 00:10:09 | |
| It was disclosed that you guys. | 00:10:11 | |
| It was thought by the Bensons. | 00:10:14 | |
| To not have your names released and I went to court over the past four years. | 00:10:16 | |
| And you guys were a sub? | 00:10:21 | |
| Contractor listed. Why? Why are we fighting to not know that you're connected? I'm sorry when you say you guys what? | 00:10:22 | |
| For you guys in particular. | 00:10:28 | |
| The Big Game Forever Foundation. | 00:10:31 | |
| You guys were subcontractors and made a total of. | 00:10:34 | |
| 20% it's in the article. My question is, is why are we fighting for four years? | 00:10:40 | |
| For the Ryan Benson. | 00:10:46 | |
| And states consulting to. | 00:10:48 | |
| Hide the fact that you're one of the subcontractors in that. | 00:10:50 | |
| Fighting for the Gray wall. | 00:10:54 | |
| Well, I'm not sure where you're getting the term hiding, but. | 00:10:56 | |
| Or just I wasn't involved in any of that so I can't answer that question. | 00:10:59 | |
| Taking it to court to. | 00:11:03 | |
| The records request. | 00:11:05 | |
| To stop it from coming up. I wasn't involved in any of that so I can't answer your question. | 00:11:06 | |
| Point of order, I don't know what this has to do with our council, so if you could clarify and. | 00:11:11 | |
| But this doesn't have anything to do with us. Can you clarify what you mean? | 00:11:16 | |
| Because I don't see it right now, yeah. | 00:11:22 | |
| It has to do with how many different people he's representing and if there's a conflict of interest. And I think he's stated | 00:11:25 | |
| clearly that it's made public. It's online, right? But as a subcontractor that wouldn't be listed, only the main contractor | 00:11:29 | |
| register. | 00:11:34 | |
| You can see the number I was registered for them. | 00:11:40 | |
| At that time I was registered for. | 00:11:42 | |
| As a subcontractor, yeah. | 00:11:44 | |
| Hi if. | 00:11:46 | |
| If the line of question is going to be directed at it. | 00:11:50 | |
| Character and fitness issues. | 00:11:53 | |
| Those can be taken to closed session. | 00:11:55 | |
| OK. We're a conversation with Mr. and I'm happy to have a conversation with you offline about all of these questions as I've | 00:11:57 | |
| offered in the past. | 00:12:00 | |
| Please refrain from any of those questions in this meeting that has anything to do with character or fitness. Thank you. | 00:12:03 | |
| Any other questions that are relevant to this meeting? | 00:12:11 | |
| I just like to state for the record that I disagree with the way in which the city approves this. | 00:12:15 | |
| Just to have it on the record in a nice, kind way. | 00:12:20 | |
| I don't know what you mean by proof. | 00:12:23 | |
| Just having a. | 00:12:25 | |
| A lobbyist. I don't think it's the approach that venues that they should have. | 00:12:27 | |
| OK. Thank you. | 00:12:30 | |
| All right. Thank you so much. Does anybody else have any other questions? | 00:12:31 | |
| Questions or comments? | 00:12:34 | |
| Thanks for all you do. We appreciate it. Thanks. | 00:12:36 | |
| All right. | 00:12:42 | |
| That moves us into a closed session. | 00:12:44 | |
| What we will do is you guys can remain here and our council will will. | 00:12:47 | |
| Leave the room for a closed session. | 00:12:52 | |
| And I'm going to have. | 00:12:54 | |
| We'll get a motion to go into it. This will be for the discussion of character, professional competence. | 00:12:57 | |
| Or physical or mental health? | 00:13:02 | |
| Health of an individual. So I need a motion to go into that. | 00:13:04 | |
| Do I have to restate that? | 00:13:07 | |
| Yes, please. | 00:13:09 | |
| Just wanted to say that for the product. | 00:13:10 | |
| OK, I'm going to go into a closed session immediately in the conference room here at the city offices. | 00:13:13 | |
| To discuss the character of professional competence or physical or mental health of an individual. | 00:13:18 | |
| OK, can I get a second? | 00:13:23 | |
| 2nd. | 00:13:28 | |
| Roll call sake, yes. | 00:13:31 | |
| Trevor aye. | 00:13:33 | |
| Yes, all right. We will be back. | 00:13:35 | |
| OK. Thank you for waiting and for your patience. | 00:13:44 | |
| We are going to move on to appointments. | 00:13:47 | |
| Appointment of a library board member. | 00:13:51 | |
| We have Diana's family. | 00:13:54 | |
| Here to fill the remainder of Pilar sales term as one of our. | 00:13:56 | |
| Vineyard Library board members. | 00:14:03 | |
| And she will fill out the remainder of. | 00:14:05 | |
| Ourselves term. | 00:14:07 | |
| And I just need a motion to approve that appointment. | 00:14:09 | |
| As an alternate. | 00:14:14 | |
| For that term and if you want to come up. | 00:14:16 | |
| Say anything you can. | 00:14:18 | |
| Do you want to come up and say anything? | 00:14:20 | |
| OK, come on up. | 00:14:22 | |
| No, I don't have a lot to say, but thank you for. | 00:14:24 | |
| This opportunity and I just love libraries. | 00:14:27 | |
| Thank you. | 00:14:30 | |
| Thank you. All right. | 00:14:30 | |
| Can I get a motion? | 00:14:32 | |
| Yeah, I moved to approve the mayor's appointment to the library. I'm sorry, The Vineyard Library board as presented. | 00:14:34 | |
| Can I get a second? | 00:14:39 | |
| Second, all right. First by Marie, second by Sarah. All in favor. | 00:14:42 | |
| Aye. All right, welcome. Thank you so much for taking the opportunity to serve our community. We appreciate it. | 00:14:47 | |
| OK, our. | 00:14:53 | |
| Should we do it with the Youth Council or in order? | 00:14:55 | |
| OK, I was thinking we do the Youth Council and then we. | 00:14:58 | |
| Do it all and get pictures all the same time. | 00:15:01 | |
| All right, the Youth Council, our executive board had an election and we have a new. | 00:15:04 | |
| Youth Council, mayor and manager, and so I'm just going to read your name. | 00:15:10 | |
| And make that appointment. | 00:15:14 | |
| And then our council will vote you in, and then we will go ahead and square you all in and we'll get some pictures of you. | 00:15:16 | |
| So. | 00:15:22 | |
| The elections were held on July 15, 2024. | 00:15:24 | |
| And these are our youth. | 00:15:28 | |
| Mayor Aslan May. | 00:15:30 | |
| Youth Council City Manager Russell Rasmussen. | 00:15:31 | |
| Youth Recorder. | 00:15:35 | |
| Beckham, Suntec. | 00:15:36 | |
| Use communications chair Dahlia. | 00:15:38 | |
| They left the iPhone. | 00:15:40 | |
| Youth Services and beautification care. Morgan. | 00:15:42 | |
| Preet Youth Council activities chair Darius. | 00:15:45 | |
| Viagra and city recorder. | 00:15:49 | |
| Pamela Spencer, what's where are you guys in? | 00:15:52 | |
| I was reading you into. | 00:15:54 | |
| OK, I need AI need a motion. | 00:15:56 | |
| I did. I said the city recorder's name and I even mentioned Pam. I mentioned all the names written. | 00:15:59 | |
| I did OK. | 00:16:05 | |
| All right, Can I get a motion to appoint? | 00:16:06 | |
| Those youth council members? | 00:16:09 | |
| I move to a point. | 00:16:11 | |
| I'm sorry, I moved to approve the mayor's appointments to the Vineyard Youth Council Executive Board as present. | 00:16:13 | |
| Thank you. Can I get a second? | 00:16:18 | |
| Second. Second by Amber. All in favor. | 00:16:20 | |
| Aye aye, OK, now we will start our sparing and ceremony. | 00:16:22 | |
| Come on up pad. | 00:16:27 | |
| YouTube. | 00:16:30 | |
| I don't think we have any more. | 00:16:31 | |
| Counselor so Russell and. | 00:16:33 | |
| Stand in front of the. | 00:16:38 | |
| You're gonna repeat after. | 00:16:42 | |
| Raise your right, go ahead and. | 00:16:43 | |
| There's your right hand. And then repeat after me. | 00:16:46 | |
| I state your name. | 00:16:49 | |
| Hi, Diana Steel, Crystal representative. | 00:16:50 | |
| Having been elected in a. | 00:16:53 | |
| Pointed to the Youth Council Executive Board and opposes to the. | 00:16:54 | |
| Library Board. | 00:16:58 | |
| Having been elected to the library board. | 00:17:00 | |
| That's OK. | 00:17:04 | |
| Having been elected and appointed to these Council Executive Board. | 00:17:06 | |
| And he's been elected and uplinked to the youth counselor -4. | 00:17:10 | |
| Do solemnly swear. | 00:17:14 | |
| That I will support, obey and defend. | 00:17:17 | |
| The Constitution of the United States, The Constitution of the United States, and the Constitution of the State of Utah. Utah. | 00:17:20 | |
| State of Utah and then I will discharge the duties of my office. | 00:17:30 | |
| And then I will discharge the duty to my office. | 00:17:34 | |
| With fidelity. With fidelity. | 00:17:36 | |
| Thank you. Congratulations. | 00:17:38 | |
| OK, can we do a picture? | 00:17:43 | |
| I I. | 00:17:46 | |
| Oh, shoot. | 00:18:00 | |
| Can we? I can't. Yeah. Thank you. | 00:18:01 | |
| Did you come back? | 00:18:08 | |
| Thank you, Diana Russell, if you come over here, I'll have you sign those. | 00:18:19 | |
| And we should. | 00:18:23 | |
| So that's why. | 00:18:27 | |
| All right, that brings us right into our work session. | 00:18:36 | |
| We're going to start out with a mobility device and a golf cart. Discussion by Lieutenant Rockwell. | 00:18:39 | |
| And he'll present some recommended changes or options. | 00:18:45 | |
| Our municipal code. | 00:18:49 | |
| I will swap you because you might have to leave. Yes. | 00:18:51 | |
| OK, we're actually going to move on to. | 00:18:57 | |
| 5.4 The residents on the North Point past discussion. | 00:19:00 | |
| For potential opportunity for. | 00:19:04 | |
| And passes for our residents. | 00:19:07 | |
| Eric might have to leave a little bit early, so we're going to move this up. | 00:19:09 | |
| OK, so. | 00:19:13 | |
| Thank you everyone. This is kind of an exciting opportunity that we have. | 00:19:14 | |
| We've been doing a little bit of research on. | 00:19:20 | |
| Neighboring cities. | 00:19:22 | |
| And uh. | 00:19:24 | |
| Every year we do a spring. | 00:19:25 | |
| A spring cleanup in a. | 00:19:27 | |
| Fall clean up and we bring dumpsters into the city. | 00:19:28 | |
| And there are some challenges associated with that. | 00:19:31 | |
| For residents. | 00:19:36 | |
| You don't always have the thing that you wanted to get rid of that's too large to put in the garbage can. | 00:19:37 | |
| In the fall or in the spring on those specific dates. | 00:19:43 | |
| And from a staffing standpoint, it takes a lot of work to get out there and keep that. | 00:19:46 | |
| Have been smashed down. | 00:19:51 | |
| And So what other cities have been doing, and not all. | 00:19:52 | |
| Some some do what we do, but other cities have. | 00:19:55 | |
| Have worked with North Point. | 00:19:58 | |
| To establish a. | 00:20:00 | |
| Punch so. | 00:20:02 | |
| Every resident in the city. | 00:20:03 | |
| Gets what we're proposing would be a 2. | 00:20:05 | |
| A2 punch pass option. | 00:20:08 | |
| So that at any point during the year. | 00:20:10 | |
| If your dishwasher goes out, you can throw the dishwasher in the back of the. | 00:20:12 | |
| The vehicle take it to the transfer station. | 00:20:16 | |
| And you use your punch pass and that waves the. | 00:20:19 | |
| $12.00 fee. | 00:20:22 | |
| For the first 625 lbs of. | 00:20:24 | |
| Of trash that you would like to take there that's kind of your large stuff so that you can clean up whenever that's convenient. | 00:20:28 | |
| And we feel that from a convenience standpoint to residents. | 00:20:34 | |
| And a convenient standpoint for. | 00:20:38 | |
| Managing those spring and fall cleanups. | 00:20:40 | |
| It would be a great option to shift to this. | 00:20:43 | |
| Punch pass option in lieu of the spring and fall cleanups. | 00:20:47 | |
| And I would add that. | 00:20:53 | |
| A couple of small details. The cost could be incorporated into our. | 00:20:55 | |
| Our trash collection. | 00:21:00 | |
| So that the punch pass wouldn't cost anything extra for residents. | 00:21:02 | |
| And the other. | 00:21:06 | |
| Housekeeping item would be that you would need to come. | 00:21:07 | |
| All residents that have an account for trash collection would need to come to the city. | 00:21:10 | |
| Grab a physical pass because we would need to do something on it to kind of make it. | 00:21:14 | |
| Unique. | 00:21:18 | |
| But that that would be how that project. | 00:21:21 | |
| Or process would work. | 00:21:22 | |
| Yeah. And there's different options we can look at with opt in or opt out. | 00:21:24 | |
| One of the reasons that this conversation came forward is because. | 00:21:28 | |
| There are some of the dumpsters that are being. | 00:21:31 | |
| Over. Over. | 00:21:34 | |
| In the community and it's really difficult to clean them up and so the idea was to lock those dumpsters. | 00:21:35 | |
| One of the reasons why it's there is because there was so much dumping happening along the shoreline and in different. | 00:21:42 | |
| Various areas. | 00:21:48 | |
| Where we were trying to say please don't put your couches on the side of the road or down by the shorelines. | 00:21:49 | |
| And we needed to go pick up trash and then bring it to these areas, but now they're overfilling and they're overfilling | 00:21:55 | |
| continuously and even though we do the spring and fall cleanup. | 00:22:00 | |
| I think residents are looking for another option. | 00:22:06 | |
| And so we wanted you to start vetting. | 00:22:08 | |
| What that looks like and how to. | 00:22:10 | |
| Either participate or why you would or wouldn't want to participate. So if you have any questions or discussion points tonight as | 00:22:13 | |
| you've. | 00:22:16 | |
| Heard from residents or if you. | 00:22:20 | |
| Thoughts about how to move into a program like that? This would be a great time to discuss it before we bring it back. | 00:22:22 | |
| Two of them. | 00:22:28 | |
| I'm torn because I know a lot of residents are constantly texting me throughout the year. | 00:22:31 | |
| Hey, I've been waiting for the spring cleanup. | 00:22:37 | |
| So it would be cool to be able to say, oh, you don't have to wait like you can. | 00:22:40 | |
| Load up your truck and then take it. But a lot of residents. | 00:22:43 | |
| Like the convenience? | 00:22:46 | |
| That's why they're using our dumpsters, because they like having it in town. | 00:22:47 | |
| And so. | 00:22:52 | |
| I'm I'm honestly torn. I think it would be interesting to see the cost difference that. | 00:22:53 | |
| Possibly you said that you would have to. | 00:22:57 | |
| Compare the numbers with. | 00:22:59 | |
| Or did you say it would be even? | 00:23:01 | |
| It's probably a little bit more expensive to do the punch pass option, but we could incorporate that into. | 00:23:04 | |
| Into the fees that we charge already so that it will. | 00:23:11 | |
| It wouldn't come at a. | 00:23:14 | |
| An extra cost. | 00:23:15 | |
| The Republic Services just. | 00:23:16 | |
| You know, spoiler alert. | 00:23:18 | |
| On our consolidated. | 00:23:21 | |
| Fee schedule Republic Services has has increased their rate this year so. | 00:23:23 | |
| We're we're proposing A slight increase in our. | 00:23:28 | |
| In our trash collection. | 00:23:32 | |
| And with that slight. | 00:23:34 | |
| Increase we can incorporate the punch path option into. | 00:23:35 | |
| Into the free so that people don't have to pay the extra. | 00:23:39 | |
| It would otherwise be $24.00. | 00:23:41 | |
| Is what? | 00:23:44 | |
| Is what the city gets billed for those two punches? | 00:23:45 | |
| Another thing you'll probably need to review is. | 00:23:48 | |
| If we do lock the dumpsters. | 00:23:52 | |
| During the times where it's not spring and fall cleanup. | 00:23:55 | |
| What happens if people are dumping couches? Because that's one of the issues that we're facing is how do we? | 00:23:58 | |
| And kind of stop them from doing that. And so are there fees associated? Are there signs? | 00:24:05 | |
| What kind of ability do we have to put someone over to observe that situation? Those are some other things that will come back | 00:24:11 | |
| into play in this discussion. | 00:24:15 | |
| And if you would like some feedback, we've we've been discussing. | 00:24:19 | |
| Those issues as well and what we're. | 00:24:22 | |
| Proposing right now. | 00:24:25 | |
| Is to get all of our dumpsters into compliance with our own city code and have an enclosure for each of those. | 00:24:26 | |
| And the ones that we want the public to be using. | 00:24:32 | |
| We'll keep them open. | 00:24:35 | |
| And put signage on them that says. | 00:24:37 | |
| Please don't ****. | 00:24:39 | |
| Large trash. This is for. | 00:24:40 | |
| Keeping our shorelines clean. You know, day picnic stuff. | 00:24:42 | |
| By all means, toss it in here. | 00:24:45 | |
| But anything larger than that, please use your punch pass. | 00:24:48 | |
| Any of our ones that are not intended to be for public use? Where? | 00:24:51 | |
| You know, near our parks where it's simply a. | 00:24:55 | |
| It's a dumpster so that our park staff can take. | 00:24:57 | |
| Empty all the trash cans and put those in the dumpsters. | 00:25:00 | |
| We will lock the gates. | 00:25:03 | |
| When they're not being used. | 00:25:05 | |
| We'll put signage on them and we'll have a camera near. | 00:25:06 | |
| That says and we'll keep the lids closed. So if you're throwing. | 00:25:09 | |
| Couch over an enclosure that's locked onto the top of a dumpster that is closed. | 00:25:14 | |
| You know that you did something wrong and when someone shows up to give you a ticket. | 00:25:18 | |
| You know you got caught for the right reason. | 00:25:23 | |
| And so we'll make it very clear that. | 00:25:25 | |
| Certain dumpsters are for public use and others are not. | 00:25:28 | |
| OK, Any questions on this right now or would you like to well, it'll. | 00:25:31 | |
| I just have one thing. | 00:25:36 | |
| Did everybody get the? | 00:25:37 | |
| The Orem City newsletter just recently. | 00:25:39 | |
| It usually comes with a coupon right? We get like a post. | 00:25:42 | |
| It has a. | 00:25:46 | |
| Yeah, yeah. | 00:25:47 | |
| A coupon to go? I wonder if you could just instead of a punch. | 00:25:48 | |
| Because, uh. | 00:25:52 | |
| Needing to come to the city to get a punch pass. | 00:25:53 | |
| A little inconvenient. | 00:25:55 | |
| But if we did. | 00:25:57 | |
| Like a city, right? | 00:25:58 | |
| Newsletter Spring and fall that had that too. I thought that was a really good idea. | 00:25:59 | |
| Yeah, if a physical mailing is taking place, then we can. | 00:26:04 | |
| That is another way to get them out. | 00:26:08 | |
| I mean, we just need to make sure that they're. | 00:26:10 | |
| Copy because the city will get bill. | 00:26:13 | |
| $12.00 each time. | 00:26:16 | |
| The transfer station tracks that. | 00:26:17 | |
| And then? | 00:26:20 | |
| Send a bill to the city. | 00:26:22 | |
| For each. | 00:26:23 | |
| Each format is used, so we wouldn't want to make it so that it was something that. | 00:26:25 | |
| That could be replicated easily in everybody's dump. | 00:26:29 | |
| You know 100 dumps. | 00:26:31 | |
| For the year would get thrown into our. | 00:26:33 | |
| Our buildings. | 00:26:35 | |
| When the residents have any comments on this, you can mention it during public comment, but you could also just leave your or | 00:26:37 | |
| e-mail us. | 00:26:41 | |
| And connect with one of our staff members over here and submit your comment and we will incorporate that into what we are working | 00:26:44 | |
| on and talking about. | 00:26:48 | |
| Any other questions from the Council? | 00:26:53 | |
| OK. Thank you so much, Eric. | 00:26:56 | |
| We look forward to discussing this more. | 00:26:58 | |
| We'll go back to 5.1. | 00:27:00 | |
| With our lutet. | 00:27:04 | |
| I'm going to back this up just a little bit. I talked too loud to be that close to you. | 00:27:10 | |
| Good evening. | 00:27:16 | |
| We put this on the work session tonight for a couple reasons and we said golf carts and mobility devices because it's really hard | 00:27:17 | |
| to. | 00:27:21 | |
| Quantify, you know, is it a selective scooter or like? | 00:27:24 | |
| Bike, moped, Gopad, auto, psych, auto driven cycle, I mean there's a hundred different types of devices out there. So mobility | 00:27:27 | |
| device, what we're talking about is things that are like electric or gas powered things, self-propelled vehicles or devices. | 00:27:34 | |
| Couple things that brought this up. We've had some recent complaints about golf carts. | 00:27:42 | |
| And even. | 00:27:47 | |
| Scooters and other things on our sidewalks and trails and roads. | 00:27:48 | |
| I've had two incidents at the Sheriff's Office recently with golf carts. | 00:27:51 | |
| We had one run through the fence of Grove Park. | 00:27:55 | |
| Had another one over on the overpass where somebody was driving a golf cart on the sidewalk. | 00:27:58 | |
| And a scooter was going the other direction and there was a collision. | 00:28:02 | |
| We didn't really determine who was at fault because we had different stories on what happened. We did have that incident. | 00:28:06 | |
| We also had a video sent to me from one of you about a golf cart incident right here on Center St. | 00:28:12 | |
| Where the golf cart was going eastbound on Center St. Got to the roundabout, didn't even look or yield, just entered right into | 00:28:17 | |
| the roundabout right in front of a car. | 00:28:21 | |
| Golf cart ended up going off the side up near the wall and there was a scooter going by at the same time. It was great. | 00:28:24 | |
| Umm, I've also I just got an e-mail from a resident who runs in the city. | 00:28:32 | |
| About some conflicts with him running and cars, but also people using a scooter on the sidewalk or electric bike. | 00:28:35 | |
| Cruising really fast on the sidewalk, that was a close call. | 00:28:42 | |
| So that's some of the stuff that's brought it up. | 00:28:45 | |
| The other thing is in speaking with Brian and Parks, they have some concerns about these devices within our parks, especially | 00:28:47 | |
| during like soccer games. | 00:28:52 | |
| Where the soccer game ends and people are driving their golf carts out onto the field, right onto the grass to pick up kids or | 00:28:56 | |
| whatever, and it's just kind of chaotic at that time. So we've got some safety concerns. | 00:29:01 | |
| Also obviously concerned with tearing up the grass or ruining things that would cause them to have to do more maintenance. | 00:29:06 | |
| So what I'd like to do tonight is just kind of get a feel of where you guys stand on what you'd like to see. I want I'm going to | 00:29:12 | |
| go over some of the stuff we already have in place. | 00:29:16 | |
| How our current laws are and then. | 00:29:21 | |
| Whatever you guys recommend, I have some recommendations or some ideas that we could do. | 00:29:22 | |
| But really, before we get really knee deeper, get deep into drafting ordinances. | 00:29:27 | |
| Just want to see what is something that you'd be interested in. | 00:29:32 | |
| Potentially passing or at least looking at. | 00:29:34 | |
| So I think for me, we could definitely brush up on our main roads and thoroughfares. | 00:29:36 | |
| I think it's kind of bold to take your golf cart. | 00:29:42 | |
| Out on a place that's like people are going 4050 mph, Yeah. And we'll talk about that. So right now. | 00:29:45 | |
| If we're talking about golf carts, golf carts are not allowed on roads and vineyards by state codes. State codes says the golf | 00:29:52 | |
| carts cannot be operated on a road. However, municipalities can't allow them on on roads. | 00:29:58 | |
| And then again, as long as they're specifying and taking precautions that it's safe and specifying when, who and where those can | 00:30:04 | |
| be operated on currently as far as our sidewalks and trails go. | 00:30:10 | |
| We don't have anything particularly banning a golf cart or any kind of electric device on our sidewalks or our trails right now. | 00:30:17 | |
| What we have in place is there's no off Hwy. vehicles on those on sidewalks or trails. And that state code defines there's three | 00:30:23 | |
| different grades of off Hwy. vehicles, but that's more like your 4 Wheelers and your side by sides and your motorcycles and three | 00:30:28 | |
| Wheelers would. | 00:30:34 | |
| Whatever that would be. | 00:30:40 | |
| Within our parks. | 00:30:42 | |
| We don't really have anything that says you couldn't drive those within the parks right now. | 00:30:43 | |
| As far as on the grass or even on the sidewalk or trails. | 00:30:48 | |
| Obviously our park rules, like a Grove Park, say you can't have them in the splash pad, but that's not an actual ordinance. It's | 00:30:51 | |
| just one of our. | 00:30:54 | |
| Park rules, that's that's written on there. | 00:30:57 | |
| So. | 00:31:00 | |
| That's kind of where we stand right now as far as what we have. We do have speed limits in place on our trails of 15 miles an | 00:31:01 | |
| hour. | 00:31:04 | |
| Sidewalk doesn't really have that. We have something in place that says you have to be basically driving. | 00:31:07 | |
| Or doing things safely on our sidewalks and trails. | 00:31:12 | |
| As far as safe travel? | 00:31:15 | |
| We do have hours of operation within our parks and that's pretty. | 00:31:18 | |
| Common As for all of our parks and our code does say trails is included in that. | 00:31:21 | |
| And we don't really go around enforcing people on a trail after 11:00 PM too much. But so that's that's where we are currently at. | 00:31:27 | |
| I want to talk a little bit about enforcement of it. | 00:31:35 | |
| As you guys know, as far as the way we enforce things in the city, generally speaking, for example like. | 00:31:37 | |
| Parked cars and that could be towed by law. | 00:31:42 | |
| Generally, we're not going to just go and tow it as soon as we see it, we're going to. | 00:31:44 | |
| Run the plate, try to contact the owner. | 00:31:48 | |
| Kind of take a more conservative approach of. | 00:31:50 | |
| Being friendly and trying to get people to comply before we take such drastic measures as toner vehicle. The same has been true | 00:31:53 | |
| with golf carts and things on our roads and things like that. We aren't out issuing citations to people driving their golf carts | 00:31:57 | |
| on the streets or the sidewalks and things like that. | 00:32:02 | |
| Now, if they're doing it's unsafe, we're going to talk to them and and hey. | 00:32:07 | |
| Or they got 10 kids hanging off the side and it's unsafe. That's something we're going to talk to them about. But we haven't been | 00:32:11 | |
| issuing citations for that, even though technically they can't be on the roads. So just put that out there. How how enforcement is | 00:32:15 | |
| going, we can. | 00:32:19 | |
| Be more, more. We can increase that enforcement, obviously, if that's the desire of the Council. | 00:32:23 | |
| Or if we continue to see issues, we could do that as well. | 00:32:28 | |
| So, uh. | 00:32:31 | |
| What the preference is in speaking with Brian at parks, if we go over that first and what we'd like to see in the parks is | 00:32:33 | |
| potentially we could look at no motorized. | 00:32:37 | |
| Scooters, bikes, golf carts, et cetera, within on the grass or within the open space of the park, we can allow continue to allow | 00:32:41 | |
| them to be on the trails. | 00:32:45 | |
| We could put something in place like they're restricted to designated sidewalks or trails. | 00:32:49 | |
| They can't be on the grass unless they're parked there and. | 00:32:53 | |
| So many feet from a trailer or a sidewalk. We could do something like that. | 00:32:56 | |
| Chairman, for example, they don't allow them in their open space. They recently did. | 00:33:01 | |
| A post basically showing a. | 00:33:05 | |
| A bike trail that was worn into the grass and said they're not allowed in the open spaces. | 00:33:07 | |
| You can't have them there. | 00:33:12 | |
| And they have that in their ordinance. Ordinance. | 00:33:14 | |
| And that's really, in speaking to Brian, the Parks, that's kind of what their desire would be. | 00:33:16 | |
| Is to try to keep them out of those open spaces within our parks. | 00:33:21 | |
| Is there a code that says hey we don't want him here but we do want him here because this community loves? | 00:33:25 | |
| Yes, so we could specify areas that would be allowed. | 00:33:31 | |
| The same thing goes for when we're talking about like other areas like the streets and stuff for golf carts. We are. We definitely | 00:33:35 | |
| have the ability to say. | 00:33:39 | |
| Will allow golf carts on any road 25 miles an hour or slower and any trail 8 feet or wider. | 00:33:43 | |
| We could definitely do that. I would. I don't think I'd recommend allowing them on golf course on sidewalks. Sidewalks 5 feet | 00:33:50 | |
| wide, golf carts 4 feet wide. | 00:33:54 | |
| Doesn't leave enough room for. | 00:33:58 | |
| People to pass safely, we want to be able to have that still still exist on our sidewalks, but we definitely have the ability that | 00:34:00 | |
| we could restrict it down to that and say. | 00:34:04 | |
| Hey, you can have those in this area, in these parks. | 00:34:09 | |
| And we could we could specify that. | 00:34:11 | |
| For example, I mean. | 00:34:13 | |
| I've been searching a lot of other cities on golf carts and. | 00:34:15 | |
| And all these things. | 00:34:18 | |
| Very few have ordinances on golf carts right now. Saint George. | 00:34:19 | |
| Just did pass. | 00:34:23 | |
| In May where they do allow golf carts on certain streets. | 00:34:25 | |
| During daylight hours you have to be 16 years of old age or older to operate the golf cart and then they actually in their code. | 00:34:29 | |
| List out the streets that they're allowed. | 00:34:36 | |
| Certain neighborhoods and certain areas that they're allowed. | 00:34:39 | |
| So, uh. | 00:34:41 | |
| We could do that. | 00:34:42 | |
| And we have the ability to say what age we want them to be. | 00:34:45 | |
| If we wanted to say 16 or. | 00:34:49 | |
| Some areas in other states say you have to be. | 00:34:52 | |
| You have to have an active driver's license if you're to be 16, but if you're 18 or older you just have to have an ID. | 00:34:55 | |
| Be able to operate a golf cart so on a city street. | 00:35:01 | |
| Umm, the other thing we could do that was brought up potentially is if we wanted to require some kind of. | 00:35:05 | |
| Course that we could provide. I mean, I could. | 00:35:10 | |
| Come up with some curriculum and. | 00:35:13 | |
| Kind of like the state is done with the new OHV course that they make you go through. They want to drive a. | 00:35:14 | |
| 4 Wheelers or side by side or things like that. | 00:35:18 | |
| That's something we could do to increase safety. | 00:35:21 | |
| And let's see what else I had on here. | 00:35:23 | |
| Eagle Mountain is another one. I look at them, they don't allow motor vehicles on it within their parks as well and. | 00:35:27 | |
| Their definition of that includes. | 00:35:33 | |
| Tote ghosts, motorcycles, motorbikes, motorbikes, anything like that within their parks, they don't allow that. | 00:35:36 | |
| And then there was Saint George and Herriman, and there's a few others, but those were the main ones that had pretty clear | 00:35:42 | |
| definitions. | 00:35:45 | |
| The only other code that I found that might be relevant to Vineyard is there's several cities that have one is called low profile | 00:35:48 | |
| vehicles and that's things that are really short like your. | 00:35:52 | |
| Mini bikes and your things like that or like little tiny. | 00:35:57 | |
| Little jeeps you can buy. They're less than so many. | 00:36:01 | |
| In so many inches off the ground. | 00:36:03 | |
| They have codes for those that we could look at adopting. | 00:36:05 | |
| So what questions do you have, What do you, what do you guys think would be appropriate? What do you think that the residents | 00:36:07 | |
| would be on board with that we can at least look at start? | 00:36:11 | |
| Down a path of. | 00:36:15 | |
| Drafting an ordinance, right? | 00:36:16 | |
| I specifically think umm. | 00:36:18 | |
| In regards to the bed. | 00:36:21 | |
| The electric vehicles on the grass. | 00:36:23 | |
| I think that's a really good rule, except. | 00:36:26 | |
| I think a lot of people have expensive vehicles that they don't want to leave. | 00:36:29 | |
| You know, 50 feet away from them while they're watching their soccer game. | 00:36:33 | |
| Like umm. | 00:36:37 | |
| I think there's a concern of that. | 00:36:38 | |
| Some of these electric bikes are really nice. | 00:36:40 | |
| And people aren't going to feel comfortable setting them off to the side. | 00:36:43 | |
| Well, they're in the middle of the field. Do you have any thoughts towards that? | 00:36:47 | |
| So we could designate a parking area and put in racks if we wanted to, but obviously they would come. There would be an expense to | 00:36:50 | |
| that. | 00:36:53 | |
| But we could look at and Brian actually did bring up is there could we do? | 00:36:57 | |
| Hey, there's our designated parking area. | 00:37:01 | |
| The only concern we brought up with that is if we've said OK, the designated parking area is over by the tennis course, for | 00:37:02 | |
| example. | 00:37:05 | |
| Well, how many people are actually going to utilize that if they want to be over a soccer game on the Far East side of the grass | 00:37:08 | |
| field? | 00:37:11 | |
| I don't know how that would. | 00:37:14 | |
| You know, work, but we could definitely look at parking areas, designated ones. | 00:37:15 | |
| And restrict. | 00:37:19 | |
| Those vehicles would be there. | 00:37:20 | |
| Interesting. Yeah, I think that's a good idea. | 00:37:22 | |
| I like looking at the busy roads. | 00:37:25 | |
| I like the idea of finding where we don't want it, where we do want it. I thought those opportunities with Saint George and | 00:37:27 | |
| Harriman open space was good. | 00:37:31 | |
| I'd be interested to find out what happens if we lowered the age. | 00:37:37 | |
| Are there suddenly different liabilities that are put on us for lowering in age for drivers or do we just not talk about it? | 00:37:41 | |
| Liability is a JV question. | 00:37:45 | |
| This is where it gets a little bit complicated because. | 00:37:51 | |
| We're talking about a lot of different. | 00:37:55 | |
| Vehicle types. | 00:37:57 | |
| You now see. | 00:37:59 | |
| Electric skateboards. | 00:38:01 | |
| Than have a handheld control and can go at a pretty high speed but. | 00:38:03 | |
| An interaction with that kind of vehicle is really different than an interaction with the golf cart that weighs a lot more. | 00:38:07 | |
| Takes up a lot more space and so. | 00:38:13 | |
| One thing you could do is tailor your rules on the. | 00:38:16 | |
| The vehicle type. | 00:38:20 | |
| I think when you're. | 00:38:21 | |
| Talking about the parks, you're. | 00:38:23 | |
| Concerned about? | 00:38:24 | |
| Busy times when interaction with an electric vehicle and people walking. | 00:38:26 | |
| Can be difficult. | 00:38:31 | |
| And then the other thing you're dealing with is just damage to city property that is difficult to maintain if you have. | 00:38:32 | |
| If the field's flat and somebody's taking a. | 00:38:40 | |
| Golf cart across that's gonna. | 00:38:43 | |
| Damage the grass. | 00:38:45 | |
| So specifically with golf carts. | 00:38:46 | |
| With if we were to say. | 00:38:50 | |
| I'm just throwing out a number I'm not. | 00:38:53 | |
| Suggesting that you're saying like oh 12 enough is fine on a golf cart, does that make us liable when it? | 00:38:55 | |
| 12 year old is. | 00:39:01 | |
| Going on a golf cart? | 00:39:03 | |
| Before you answer my question, just to clarify. | 00:39:04 | |
| I think people are going to let their young children. | 00:39:07 | |
| Drive golf carts. | 00:39:10 | |
| And I don't. | 00:39:11 | |
| I think enforcing this would be really hard. | 00:39:13 | |
| That's great. So. | 00:39:15 | |
| Liability in Utah is. | 00:39:17 | |
| Varied in some states liability, as if you're more than 50% responsible, you're fully responsible. | 00:39:20 | |
| In Utah, liability can be shared among a number of different entities. | 00:39:27 | |
| And cities can have liability. | 00:39:31 | |
| The city's liability. | 00:39:34 | |
| Is reduced a little bit by the Governmental Immunity Act. There's procedures and then there's an. | 00:39:36 | |
| A per incident and a per individual cap. | 00:39:41 | |
| On damages. | 00:39:45 | |
| So, umm. | 00:39:46 | |
| You would certainly want to consult with your insurance provider to get their input on this because it will have an effect on | 00:39:47 | |
| premiums. | 00:39:51 | |
| If you do it. | 00:39:56 | |
| As it relates to driving age and the type of vehicle and where those vehicles are allowed to drive. | 00:39:57 | |
| I think we need to look at that. | 00:40:03 | |
| Carefully. | 00:40:05 | |
| But you know, before you make those decisions, it may be that you say. | 00:40:06 | |
| It's safe for. | 00:40:10 | |
| Younger than 16, Teenage. | 00:40:13 | |
| Driver to operate a golf cart on trails and sidewalks of a certain size, but not on roads where they're going to mix with. | 00:40:15 | |
| Vehicular traffic and those kinds of things. | 00:40:24 | |
| And then I guess the other thing I would strongly urge is when you make these decisions, you do want to look. | 00:40:27 | |
| To establish design standards. | 00:40:33 | |
| For these kinds of vehicles, there are a couple of different places that you can go to where those. | 00:40:37 | |
| Standards would be acceptable, but the way I think of it on my mind is. | 00:40:43 | |
| It's OK to be on the cutting edge. We don't want to be on the bleeding edge. | 00:40:47 | |
| And so we'd like to follow what somebody else's. | 00:40:50 | |
| Or what a more national organization has blessed in terms of design and what kind of vehicles can safely operate there. | 00:40:55 | |
| Before we say that's. | 00:41:01 | |
| OK, within the city. | 00:41:03 | |
| But I think you can get to a place where. | 00:41:05 | |
| If you want to allow. | 00:41:08 | |
| People younger than 16 to operate certain types of. | 00:41:11 | |
| Of vehicles. | 00:41:15 | |
| Where they're not mixed with automobile traffic. | 00:41:18 | |
| That you probably can do it safely as long as you make sure the facilities are on or within established design standards. | 00:41:21 | |
| So as far as enforcement goes, since we can't do it anyway, what if we just picked up enforcement on our main roads and then put? | 00:41:28 | |
| Signs on our park and updated our park policy. I mean, the real reason why I see this being effective is if we wanted to allow for | 00:41:35 | |
| it. | 00:41:38 | |
| In the downtown, I see this being something where they want to maximize this type of usage and they want to make all vehicles | 00:41:43 | |
| accessible so. | 00:41:47 | |
| They need to build their codes to a certain size and this is where we suddenly have the ability to have leverage and say if you're | 00:41:51 | |
| going to do this, you have to put in this easement and things like that. And I could see that being meaningful. | 00:41:56 | |
| But otherwise, why don't we just? | 00:42:02 | |
| Update our policy and enforcement core routes. We could definitely increase enforcement when we see them on our. | 00:42:04 | |
| On a bigger, busier roads, especially roads 30 miles an hour faster, the state code basically says municipality shall provide | 00:42:08 | |
| sufficient parameters. | 00:42:13 | |
| Regarding the operation of a golfer. | 00:42:18 | |
| On A to ensure public safety. | 00:42:20 | |
| That's the way the state code reads that we have to ensure you know. | 00:42:23 | |
| Sufficient parameters to do that. | 00:42:26 | |
| I will tell you the two incidents that I talked about, the fence and then the scooter and the. | 00:42:28 | |
| Golf cart. | 00:42:31 | |
| One driver was 15/1, was 14. | 00:42:32 | |
| So not that. | 00:42:34 | |
| Indicative of you know, widespread but those two incidents, that's how old my 10 year old neighbor but. | 00:42:36 | |
| And I think. | 00:42:43 | |
| To be to be transparent, I think Parks is really interested in as far as timeline goes in trying to get something done quicker as | 00:42:44 | |
| far as keeping enough the open space areas. So I think that may be. | 00:42:49 | |
| Higher priority as far as what their desire to do if we want to take a little more time as far as the rest of. | 00:42:55 | |
| You know, on the streets or sidewalks or trails. | 00:43:01 | |
| We could definitely spend some time designating certain areas where we would want them and kind of come back with, hey, this is | 00:43:04 | |
| what we think would be acceptable. | 00:43:07 | |
| OK. | 00:43:11 | |
| I feel like if you need to do something quick, I even feel like we could just update our product policy. | 00:43:12 | |
| For certain areas, yeah, we definitely should. We make a clarification and hear me out, Brian. | 00:43:17 | |
| I care about your grass. | 00:43:22 | |
| What if people were to Could we allow people to walk? | 00:43:24 | |
| Their bikes or walk their scooters on the grass and. | 00:43:27 | |
| I would say a hard fast rule of no golf carts on the grass but. | 00:43:31 | |
| I just worry that. | 00:43:34 | |
| I want families to be able. | 00:43:36 | |
| You know, feel like they're. | 00:43:38 | |
| Having their property and being able to. | 00:43:40 | |
| You don't actually know somebody that owns an electric scooter. | 00:43:43 | |
| I may or may not have driven my electricity. | 00:43:47 | |
| Yeah. No, I think that's a great point to. | 00:43:52 | |
| To bring up, there's a number of. | 00:43:55 | |
| Residents that have been coaching for us for. | 00:43:57 | |
| Years that I know have some of those vehicles that are using them. | 00:44:00 | |
| There's just been a number of residents that have expressed concern. | 00:44:05 | |
| And seen near accidents. | 00:44:09 | |
| Umm, so I do think. | 00:44:12 | |
| I don't know what the solution is to that, so I want to think about that a little bit more. | 00:44:15 | |
| Of I think. | 00:44:19 | |
| Go ahead. I think walking a vehicle, just like an elementary school, you're allowed to bring your bike to the, you ride your bike | 00:44:22 | |
| to the property and then you walk your bike in the rest of the way. And I feel like walking. | 00:44:27 | |
| An item. | 00:44:33 | |
| It's safer. I don't know if that will solve the grass issue. | 00:44:34 | |
| You know, and so. | 00:44:38 | |
| But I think. | 00:44:39 | |
| I think it's safe to walk something. My recommendation might be that you go back and work on some. | 00:44:41 | |
| Policy for internal things like that and if we need to watch things for accidents, we just do it on our main roads. | 00:44:46 | |
| But I think long term we could start working on something because we're going to need this, I think, for our larger structure for | 00:44:52 | |
| the whole city. So this is an important conversation long term. | 00:44:57 | |
| Do you feel like that's so? | 00:45:02 | |
| Yeah, good way to move forward right now. | 00:45:03 | |
| Is that way you could move faster if you needed something faster that you could bring back to us quickly. | 00:45:05 | |
| I mean, each council member can send their concerns or their. | 00:45:10 | |
| Experience with these vehicles. | 00:45:13 | |
| Umm, I'm pro golf cart and they're designed to be driven on grass, so they don't really do. | 00:45:16 | |
| Damage on grass, The weather. | 00:45:21 | |
| Design that way, right? | 00:45:24 | |
| But the damage is. | 00:45:25 | |
| Obviously the concern with certain types of vehicles, right? And some golf carts. | 00:45:28 | |
| I think what kind of tires they put on them and if they've put them up a little bit, some of the golf carts you see are not the | 00:45:33 | |
| golf carts you drive on your golf course. They're a little bit different. But the other one is more of the safety too, right? | 00:45:38 | |
| So I I think. | 00:45:44 | |
| I actually was at the National League of Cities and they were talking about how children's. | 00:45:45 | |
| Brains develop at an earlier age, the sooner you can get them driving. | 00:45:51 | |
| And how? | 00:45:56 | |
| Cities should promote early driving 910 and 11 years old because it helps them kind of figure it out. I thought that was pretty | 00:45:58 | |
| crazy because. | 00:46:02 | |
| I learned how to drive a tractor at 11 years old with a Baylor in the back without. | 00:46:06 | |
| Lights on by moonlight, so. | 00:46:10 | |
| But umm. | 00:46:12 | |
| I think we want to be. | 00:46:14 | |
| Pro but I think. | 00:46:15 | |
| One adjustment where you could police that is if there are accidents, you're giving a ticket and you've helped. I think that's | 00:46:17 | |
| hard of like. | 00:46:20 | |
| Give give a citation, not give a citation, but I think if it's a clear delineated of like what it is. | 00:46:24 | |
| Hey, we are going to be pro. | 00:46:29 | |
| But parents, if there is an accident. | 00:46:31 | |
| There will be a citation that goes out, so teach your kids to. | 00:46:33 | |
| Be better and then #2. | 00:46:37 | |
| IA 100% agree with. | 00:46:39 | |
| Getting golf carts off of the sidewalks like. | 00:46:41 | |
| That's where I think your problem is, is it's. | 00:46:44 | |
| Two people going separate ways and it's like. | 00:46:47 | |
| This one you need to be in the road. | 00:46:50 | |
| It's a slower Rd. but you're still on the sidewalk type thing so if there's. | 00:46:52 | |
| Delineation on a map that you say like hey. | 00:46:56 | |
| Do not be on the sidewalk here. | 00:47:00 | |
| Because it is such a slow. | 00:47:02 | |
| Street right? | 00:47:04 | |
| And then lastly I met with. | 00:47:05 | |
| Strong Towns? What's his name? | 00:47:08 | |
| My buddy last night about. | 00:47:10 | |
| And it's actually there's a couple of videos about how. | 00:47:12 | |
| People won't agree that. | 00:47:16 | |
| The golf carts actually slow down traffic. | 00:47:17 | |
| Because people will see it and will get our cars to drive. | 00:47:20 | |
| Even though they only go 2025 miles an hour. | 00:47:23 | |
| That's kind of what we want them driving anyway. | 00:47:25 | |
| In terms of where it's going and so. | 00:47:27 | |
| There's study after study that. | 00:47:30 | |
| If they're not there and you know you have the visualization. | 00:47:32 | |
| Then it's wide open. They're just going to drive like crazy so. | 00:47:36 | |
| Those are my. | 00:47:40 | |
| Feedback of adjustment. | 00:47:41 | |
| I just add, I assume Jordan. | 00:47:42 | |
| Yeah. | 00:47:45 | |
| This is also a good opportunity. Jordan's on the bike Commission to collaborate with the bike Commission. They're looking for | 00:47:46 | |
| opportunities to add more facilities for bike parking and things like that. | 00:47:51 | |
| So they might be able to give you some good insight. Can we have them? | 00:47:55 | |
| Because he's great. | 00:47:59 | |
| Sure. | 00:48:00 | |
| So as far as enforcement goes, just everyone's you understand. | 00:48:04 | |
| The only thing I can issue a citation for right now is if they're on the streets, right? That's the only as far as a golf cart | 00:48:07 | |
| goes, not sidewalks, not a sidewalk, because we don't have an ordinance against that in the state. You can't wait till they. | 00:48:13 | |
| Break a roll and get onto the road. They're like hey. | 00:48:19 | |
| I could. If it's not written, it doesn't exist, OK? | 00:48:23 | |
| Hope needs the written rules, so yeah, the state law is no roads. I think we could write a pro. | 00:48:26 | |
| Golf course? Absolutely. | 00:48:32 | |
| Kind of thing where we keep them off those main roads and we keep them off sidewalks, but we allow them to be on paths and. | 00:48:33 | |
| I like that idea for a long. | 00:48:39 | |
| And my thought in speaking about it, I can get with the same as far as like that, like you're talking about building standards and | 00:48:41 | |
| where they're allowed whether or not. | 00:48:45 | |
| And work with him on that as well. | 00:48:48 | |
| So, but I also think if we drafted something that's code of like when you do see it and it is a minor that we have some sort of | 00:48:51 | |
| paperwork of like. | 00:48:55 | |
| Hey, you're a parent, would love to know that. | 00:49:00 | |
| My kid is doing such. | 00:49:03 | |
| Because a lot of times we'll get some things of like this bad behavior that. | 00:49:05 | |
| A visit by you is very helpful for parents. | 00:49:09 | |
| When we encounter juveniles we always speak speak well as long as we can get ahold of parents we always right and and just | 00:49:12 | |
| advising people to contact you with take pictures, videos or whatever to. | 00:49:17 | |
| Solve it. | 00:49:23 | |
| I think it's smart if they're going to be under 16 that we have some kind of city certification. | 00:49:24 | |
| Because we have that in Muthi. I think it was 14. They decided it was farmland. | 00:49:29 | |
| Right. And everybody rode their four Wheelers everywhere, but this is. | 00:49:33 | |
| This is more congested. | 00:49:36 | |
| And I feel like if you want to give that right to somebody under 16, they should go through. | 00:49:38 | |
| The city certification. | 00:49:42 | |
| And we can decide what that age is, if we want it to be 12 or. | 00:49:44 | |
| 14 right, I think. | 00:49:48 | |
| We can just see what the need is and reach out to the community, but I think that's. | 00:49:50 | |
| I think that's really important because I think when the younger they are. | 00:49:54 | |
| Right. Yeah. | 00:49:58 | |
| Maybe the more reckless. | 00:49:58 | |
| Can be right and if they go through the certification then they understand. | 00:50:00 | |
| Right, the risks. | 00:50:04 | |
| Involved in their parents sign off that they. | 00:50:05 | |
| Get that certification, I think that would be really valuable. | 00:50:08 | |
| And Brian, is it the entire grass field that you're worried about or? | 00:50:10 | |
| Could they bring him onto the perimeter around the? | 00:50:15 | |
| The sidewalk. | 00:50:18 | |
| Yeah. So one thing that we talked about Holden and I was. | 00:50:19 | |
| We just have something in place to where. | 00:50:23 | |
| They can just park it within. | 00:50:25 | |
| You know, 5 to 10 feet of the trail. | 00:50:27 | |
| And then they can just walk the rest of the way. | 00:50:30 | |
| Because one thing I didn't mention too is. | 00:50:33 | |
| It's also kind of a space thing. | 00:50:35 | |
| We have about 25 feet between fields and you've got parents on both sides. | 00:50:37 | |
| And so there's really not a whole lot of room for a golf cart or. | 00:50:42 | |
| Or bikes and things without obstructing. | 00:50:46 | |
| I guess. | 00:50:49 | |
| For people to walk, they have to go around and then they're. | 00:50:50 | |
| ******* into people. | 00:50:53 | |
| But they could park near the game. | 00:50:55 | |
| Not far into the field, yeah. And I'm just a little worried that if we. | 00:50:57 | |
| Allow people to even just walk. | 00:51:03 | |
| These vehicles on. | 00:51:06 | |
| It'll be a little bit hard to enforce because. | 00:51:07 | |
| There's other incidents where. | 00:51:10 | |
| Say for example, move you at a park and there's. | 00:51:12 | |
| Dirt bikes that are. | 00:51:14 | |
| Driving through the field. | 00:51:16 | |
| Right during the middle of the movie. | 00:51:18 | |
| Umm, and. | 00:51:20 | |
| Or there's just, you know. | 00:51:22 | |
| Golf carts that are just zoom in. | 00:51:24 | |
| And there's games going. Kids are running around. | 00:51:26 | |
| It just I see a lot of room for. | 00:51:29 | |
| Potential accidents. | 00:51:32 | |
| But I do want to be open to. | 00:51:34 | |
| Solutions to that so. | 00:51:37 | |
| I'd be happy to also reach out to a resident that I know. | 00:51:39 | |
| Has a golf cart to kind of get. | 00:51:42 | |
| Their thoughts on maybe what a happy medium would be. | 00:51:45 | |
| And see if we can figure out a solution. | 00:51:48 | |
| That way let's move forward with that you go ahead and work on that policy and bring it back and then we can have longer term | 00:51:50 | |
| discussion council. If you have additional thoughts on this, please make sure you're emailing Eric and. | 00:51:54 | |
| Copying these guys in SO. | 00:51:59 | |
| Thank you, this is really helpful. | 00:52:01 | |
| OK. All right. We'll move on to our agenda management. | 00:52:03 | |
| And our city recorder, Pam will discuss. | 00:52:07 | |
| This item. | 00:52:10 | |
| This item is part of my life. | 00:52:17 | |
| So yeah. | 00:52:19 | |
| I'd love to discuss it with everybody. | 00:52:21 | |
| 1st I just I just. | 00:52:23 | |
| Umm, I went through and I. | 00:52:26 | |
| Figured out how I put together an agenda and so I did this. | 00:52:29 | |
| This little paper I split everything up. | 00:52:33 | |
| On it. | 00:52:36 | |
| In our timeline and everything that we do, but I thought I'd give another little bit more background on this is that. | 00:52:38 | |
| State code requires us. | 00:52:44 | |
| In our open public meetings. | 00:52:46 | |
| Have an agenda? | 00:52:48 | |
| And that agenda should be. | 00:52:50 | |
| I cannot say this words reasonable specificity. | 00:52:51 | |
| To notify them. But what is on the agenda so that people understand what's on the agenda? | 00:52:55 | |
| Itself the agenda. | 00:53:01 | |
| Has to have the date. | 00:53:05 | |
| Time. Place. | 00:53:06 | |
| They were holding it and then. | 00:53:07 | |
| The synopsis kind of what? | 00:53:09 | |
| Is going to be discussed. | 00:53:13 | |
| On the agenda? | 00:53:15 | |
| Can't talk about anything. | 00:53:16 | |
| That's not on the agenda unless there's emergency. | 00:53:18 | |
| Those types of things, but. | 00:53:21 | |
| We're not going to go into all that because it's Jamie's job to teach open public meetings and because I assigned it to. | 00:53:23 | |
| Not today, though. | 00:53:30 | |
| But anyway. | 00:53:32 | |
| There's noticing requirements. | 00:53:34 | |
| That go with agendas. | 00:53:36 | |
| And so. | 00:53:38 | |
| In the state code with no less than 24 hours to post an agenda unless it's an emergency and there's only. | 00:53:40 | |
| Certain things that might be considered an emergency, but. | 00:53:46 | |
| The umm. | 00:53:49 | |
| So that that no less than 24 hours public notice is kind of what we. | 00:53:54 | |
| We hit and I can be honest with you and I know you're pushing for a. | 00:53:58 | |
| Publishing them earlier. | 00:54:04 | |
| Umm, but that 24 hours is a little stressful in our department. | 00:54:06 | |
| And so. | 00:54:12 | |
| I have always put. | 00:54:14 | |
| Push I would love to do the day before. | 00:54:14 | |
| We tried Friday before. | 00:54:17 | |
| Those types of things, but. | 00:54:19 | |
| It was. It's always something comes up, there's an issue. We're always amending things. | 00:54:20 | |
| And I reached out to some other cities. | 00:54:26 | |
| I'm not going to go through everything I wrote up, but. | 00:54:29 | |
| We can reach out to me on some other things, but I reached out to some other cities to find out when they're doing them. | 00:54:31 | |
| Cedar Hills is the Friday before Tuesday meeting. | 00:54:36 | |
| Draper's Thursday before the Tuesday meeting, Eagle Mountain was Friday before Tuesday meeting, So you can see they're kind of all | 00:54:39 | |
| over the place and then. | 00:54:43 | |
| The fun one was with Orem and. | 00:54:47 | |
| And she said they do it. | 00:54:50 | |
| Like just a couple days before the meeting, but. | 00:54:53 | |
| I can't remember when even. I don't know why I didn't put them in here. | 00:54:56 | |
| Anyway, but then I looked at their website and their postings are all over the place. | 00:54:59 | |
| So we're at least consistent, right? | 00:55:04 | |
| On that. | 00:55:07 | |
| Some of the concerns that they had with posting too early, they agreed that seven days was way too. | 00:55:09 | |
| Was too soon. | 00:55:15 | |
| And they said some of the. | 00:55:16 | |
| Concerns that they have with it. | 00:55:17 | |
| Was that? | 00:55:19 | |
| You posted 7 days and then things come up. | 00:55:20 | |
| That then you're amending your agenda. | 00:55:24 | |
| And he said it just doesn't look good and it confuses people. | 00:55:27 | |
| As to what? | 00:55:30 | |
| It's only gender if you mend it once and then you meant it three times so. | 00:55:31 | |
| Something like that, I would say we mind at once and that's it. | 00:55:35 | |
| You know, maybe that's within that 24 hours if we need to amend it or something, regardless of when you guys decide you want us to | 00:55:38 | |
| try to post these agendas. | 00:55:42 | |
| Some of the things. | 00:55:47 | |
| That I want to bring up though is to why I wouldn't recommend the folks 7 days. | 00:55:48 | |
| Is this like, for instance, when we have a public hearing where it needs to go to Planning Commission first? | 00:55:54 | |
| Then it goes to council the next week. | 00:55:59 | |
| For consideration, would you have one of those on the agenda tonight? | 00:56:02 | |
| Well, they don't have time to get that report ready. | 00:56:06 | |
| Before they have the Planning Commission meeting. | 00:56:09 | |
| So having the report ready, they need to have time to. | 00:56:11 | |
| If Planning Commission has any additional recommendations to get those reports updated. | 00:56:14 | |
| And into the agenda. | 00:56:19 | |
| Packet. | 00:56:21 | |
| So that you guys have all the information that you need those packets are for. | 00:56:22 | |
| The Councils. | 00:56:26 | |
| Use therefore the Council so they can. | 00:56:27 | |
| See what's being changed? | 00:56:30 | |
| There's certain things you can't approve without a resolution Rd. ordinance in front of you. | 00:56:32 | |
| Supporting documents that go with it and to have some of those. | 00:56:37 | |
| Rush them to get those done. | 00:56:41 | |
| You know, it could be a little frustrating for those trying to do it. We also have posting deadlines for those public hearings | 00:56:44 | |
| that I was talking about. | 00:56:48 | |
| My budget is 7 days out. | 00:56:52 | |
| So I'll be posting a public hearing the same day of posting the agenda for it. | 00:56:54 | |
| Land use is 10 days and there. | 00:56:58 | |
| Umm, since 10 days. | 00:57:01 | |
| But there are other ones that. | 00:57:03 | |
| There's other ones that are different days and so it's. | 00:57:05 | |
| Kind of crazy how we can. | 00:57:08 | |
| How we would work things out? | 00:57:10 | |
| So we may know some things ahead of time, but we might not. | 00:57:11 | |
| Before those seven days so so those are some other things that. | 00:57:15 | |
| There's just a few of the things I wanted to bring up on that. | 00:57:20 | |
| The other question was. | 00:57:23 | |
| Having if we could have the. | 00:57:25 | |
| Fiscal impact. | 00:57:27 | |
| On the consent item itself. | 00:57:29 | |
| We talked about it. We said, well, it's not impossible. We'd have to go figure out what that is. But there are issues with having | 00:57:32 | |
| it there when we can have it in the staff report where they can spell it out. It's already in the staff report you can look at. | 00:57:39 | |
| The staff report if we not. | 00:57:46 | |
| Finding it. | 00:57:47 | |
| Please make sure you're reading the reports. | 00:57:49 | |
| Because that's where it really should be. | 00:57:51 | |
| The other the other concern on it is that some of those. | 00:57:54 | |
| Fiscal impacts are. | 00:57:57 | |
| Complex. And so there's there's going to be several numbers in there. | 00:57:59 | |
| And they're not going to be totals that. | 00:58:03 | |
| Necessarily that you could put. | 00:58:05 | |
| On an agenda, because they might be if this happens then this and if this happens in this. | 00:58:07 | |
| Would be the impact and so putting that as a. | 00:58:13 | |
| On our on the headline in the. | 00:58:16 | |
| The consent might be. | 00:58:19 | |
| Wordy when we've already gotten the staff report. So let's just the recommendation. What if you just put the word? | 00:58:21 | |
| Fiscal impact. | 00:58:26 | |
| Some people knew. | 00:58:27 | |
| It like this has a fiscal impact because to make sure everything has a fiscal impact, yeah. | 00:58:29 | |
| Well, if that's what you guys want. | 00:58:34 | |
| Would you like it like? | 00:58:38 | |
| Like right in the title that. | 00:58:39 | |
| So that people are going to look for it. Sarah, what's your? | 00:58:41 | |
| On the last agenda there were. | 00:58:46 | |
| There are consent items and there were just, there was just a simple fiscal impact. | 00:58:47 | |
| Amount and that was really helpful, but if it's. | 00:58:51 | |
| More involved. | 00:58:54 | |
| Then maybe you just put. | 00:58:55 | |
| You know. | 00:58:56 | |
| That it's more involved in the other. | 00:58:57 | |
| Other documents to get information. | 00:59:00 | |
| That would be helpful I think. | 00:59:02 | |
| You're OK if it's just in the staff report, right? You know? | 00:59:03 | |
| But just to let you know that there's a fiscal impact. | 00:59:07 | |
| On the consent item, do you want it? I mean, would that make sense? | 00:59:10 | |
| I guess because the consolidated fee scheduling budget. | 00:59:15 | |
| Might be the only other ones. | 00:59:19 | |
| Any budget items you know business item would. | 00:59:21 | |
| State that it's for a budget so you would know to look for. This document explains it so if it was just. | 00:59:23 | |
| Put in their fiscal impact OK for like contracts and good awards and. | 00:59:29 | |
| And different things like that for the fiscal impact for it. | 00:59:34 | |
| Could you also for your agenda, talk about how you guys operate your executive meetings and vet these things in those days? | 00:59:38 | |
| You're talking about a staff meeting that we. | 00:59:47 | |
| OK, umm. | 00:59:50 | |
| So what happens with the agenda? I can just go in a little bit detail there. | 00:59:51 | |
| So people submit items with our new agenda management software it has. | 00:59:56 | |
| Save me many. | 01:00:00 | |
| And Tony, now Tony many hours. | 01:00:01 | |
| Of work. | 01:00:04 | |
| Of changing and moving things around. So that's great to throw that out there. | 01:00:05 | |
| Or plug for that but. | 01:00:08 | |
| So staff are asked to put in. | 01:00:10 | |
| Their agenda items? | 01:00:13 | |
| Then that goes through. | 01:00:14 | |
| A verbal approval process right now. | 01:00:16 | |
| With the city manager and the mayor. | 01:00:18 | |
| And then they they. | 01:00:23 | |
| Put in their staff report or they put in any attachments they might have, but we do discuss it. | 01:00:24 | |
| The day before Council meeting, which we could probably change that. | 01:00:30 | |
| If you guys. | 01:00:33 | |
| At some point time decide. | 01:00:35 | |
| That you want to put a. | 01:00:36 | |
| Some kind of a policy as to when we do things? | 01:00:37 | |
| But umm. | 01:00:40 | |
| We discussed those agenda items. | 01:00:42 | |
| What's going to happen with those agenda items so that? | 01:00:44 | |
| Staff understands. | 01:00:47 | |
| What's going on with them? | 01:00:48 | |
| And so we do discuss them during our staff meeting. The. | 01:00:50 | |
| Before council meeting. | 01:00:53 | |
| This Tuesday before the council meeting. | 01:00:55 | |
| So but. | 01:00:58 | |
| There are no item goes on an agenda without an approval. | 01:00:59 | |
| Well, and the reason why I. | 01:01:03 | |
| Ask you to mention it is because. | 01:01:04 | |
| Oftentimes some of the amendments that come are because you're reviewing it, you're getting ready to post it, and then people find | 01:01:06 | |
| out what is needed in order to complete the agenda item, which causes a change or an amendment. | 01:01:12 | |
| And that is? | 01:01:19 | |
| Because those meetings are so close to each other, that's back. That's what's been a little bit complicated. We could probably do | 01:01:20 | |
| them. | 01:01:24 | |
| You know the Tuesday before. | 01:01:28 | |
| That, but still, there's always things that come up that. | 01:01:31 | |
| Say, hey, we've got a deadline. | 01:01:35 | |
| And so let me go on this agenda. | 01:01:37 | |
| So you're going to have things that come up. | 01:01:39 | |
| The day before. | 01:01:42 | |
| A council meeting. | 01:01:44 | |
| It says, hey, this has got to go on the agenda. | 01:01:45 | |
| We've had that several times. | 01:01:47 | |
| So I mean. | 01:01:49 | |
| This is just the way it runs it works. | 01:01:51 | |
| I think the point is is that if that happens though. | 01:01:53 | |
| We're happy with having it wait for the 8 days or 15 days so that the citizens have a right to be there, but sometimes we have | 01:01:56 | |
| deadlines we have to meet. | 01:02:00 | |
| And so we can't wait. | 01:02:05 | |
| Those extra that extra time if it's a state deadline or a. | 01:02:06 | |
| County deadline. | 01:02:11 | |
| And they just send. | 01:02:12 | |
| Then we're going to need to put it on that agenda. | 01:02:14 | |
| In order to. | 01:02:16 | |
| Meet that deadline so we're not losing out on a contract or funding or different things like that, that just. | 01:02:18 | |
| Sometimes they're a little slower, giving things to us. | 01:02:25 | |
| Sometimes we have developers. I mean, we don't have some of that now on our agenda. | 01:02:29 | |
| But we would have. | 01:02:33 | |
| Developers that need to get your red lines back to us, get your. | 01:02:34 | |
| They could wait two weeks. | 01:02:37 | |
| Sometimes it costs them money if they wait. | 01:02:40 | |
| And so that's, that's another issue, but they would learn our process, right. | 01:02:43 | |
| I mean they go at our speed, not we go to them. | 01:02:47 | |
| No, but like I said, there are some things that they aren't going to wait. The state's not going to wake. The county's not going | 01:02:50 | |
| to wait. I, I yeah. And we don't have as many developers. | 01:02:54 | |
| Stuff anymore because I go through the DRC. | 01:02:59 | |
| Planning Commission. Yeah, yeah, the reports. | 01:03:02 | |
| There's they cannot wait. Those extra two weeks, you're going to cost the developer money. | 01:03:07 | |
| And that's not going to be. | 01:03:11 | |
| Be good if we have to wait. | 01:03:13 | |
| Post that we have to follow that says over here you have to go to yeah. | 01:03:15 | |
| Yeah, there's some codes we have to follow. | 01:03:19 | |
| Yes. OK. So what would your recommendation be Pam, if not 7 days? | 01:03:23 | |
| If we can make it work, you know, I send you guys out of the draft on Fridays. | 01:03:30 | |
| So I don't know how I would send you out a draft if we posted them on Fridays. | 01:03:35 | |
| But that would be up to you guys. | 01:03:41 | |
| But posting Mondays. | 01:03:44 | |
| Would be helpful as well. I mean that's. | 01:03:46 | |
| 48 hours before the meeting. | 01:03:49 | |
| Or more so. | 01:03:51 | |
| We could if we did that Thursday, that. | 01:03:53 | |
| Thursday would be a crunch. | 01:03:56 | |
| For depending on what's on the agenda. | 01:03:58 | |
| OK. But I mean it is up to you guys what you want. | 01:04:00 | |
| If the Council wants it sooner, I can. | 01:04:04 | |
| Where you feel like it's reasonable, that's reasonable to me. | 01:04:06 | |
| We obviously do work sessions for things so that the public can see it two weeks before and then we bring it back and we work that | 01:04:10 | |
| process in this year, which I feel like is working really well. | 01:04:15 | |
| If we feel as a council we need to continue something, we can always continue it so we have protocols for making sure that there's | 01:04:21 | |
| enough. | 01:04:25 | |
| Public discussion. | 01:04:28 | |
| But if there's a reasonable timeline, you feel like you wanted it sooner and you wanted to post on Mondays, and you wanted to. | 01:04:30 | |
| Not do it 24 hours in advance and you think Thursday's? | 01:04:36 | |
| That's why I think. | 01:04:40 | |
| Whatever you think is meaningful because I know agendas are hard and. | 01:04:41 | |
| They take time and there's a lot of people that work on them and being someone that has to go through it and. | 01:04:46 | |
| To my process and make sure I'm meeting the council's process and then going through and making sure we're making legal process | 01:04:52 | |
| and then your process it's a. | 01:04:56 | |
| It's quite a task actually. | 01:05:00 | |
| And so if you feel like there's opportunity. | 01:05:02 | |
| I would love you. | 01:05:06 | |
| To tell us. | 01:05:07 | |
| And if you feel like there's not, I would love to watch the. | 01:05:08 | |
| I think I mean. | 01:05:11 | |
| Right now, and maybe we worked it in slower but. | 01:05:13 | |
| If we made it so that they're posted on Mondays. | 01:05:16 | |
| And then we re evaluate it. | 01:05:19 | |
| To see what. | 01:05:22 | |
| Friday would look like for the Wednesday before. I wouldn't go any further than that. | 01:05:23 | |
| Your biggest issue is. | 01:05:28 | |
| Just if we were needing to amend anything in the meantime, I think is what you're going to be. You've got. | 01:05:32 | |
| Holidays and stuff. So maybe we need to post a little earlier or it might. | 01:05:37 | |
| Then I'll go a day later or something around holidays. | 01:05:41 | |
| Different things like that, but those are some things we can look. | 01:05:44 | |
| Work around. | 01:05:47 | |
| OK. Yeah. So. | 01:05:48 | |
| Just whatever you guys decide you want to do. | 01:05:50 | |
| Do you have any comments? | 01:05:53 | |
| No, it makes sense. It makes sense to me. | 01:05:54 | |
| To not do it too far ahead, I think that would be equally frustrating if you did it seven days ahead and then. | 01:05:58 | |
| 3 or 4 amendments. | 01:06:04 | |
| Right, I think that would be. | 01:06:05 | |
| More frustrating than having to wait. | 01:06:07 | |
| If you could do it Monday, I love the draft on Friday. | 01:06:10 | |
| If it's not too stressful, I think Monday would be. | 01:06:14 | |
| Great. Umm. | 01:06:17 | |
| And just for, for me, Sarah, if she was going to do it Monday, I would need it. | 01:06:20 | |
| Thursday. | 01:06:25 | |
| In order to get off my. | 01:06:26 | |
| Yeah, we could talk on Thursdays rather than Fridays. | 01:06:28 | |
| And then send. | 01:06:32 | |
| Another dry Friday. | 01:06:33 | |
| Friday I have to do my review again and then we could do it Monday. | 01:06:35 | |
| But half the people aren't working on Monday. | 01:06:40 | |
| And then Friday. | 01:06:43 | |
| And they only work until it's fall. | 01:06:44 | |
| But anytime we could do, it's going to. | 01:06:46 | |
| But sometimes we take Monday to fix any issues and to have any legal discussions. | 01:06:48 | |
| So we'd have to. | 01:06:53 | |
| Back. I mean I would love to post. | 01:06:55 | |
| Even by noon on Mondays, if it's at all possible. | 01:06:57 | |
| That would be, we could try to do ideal because I can give you an example and I'm not trying to throw anybody under the bus or | 01:07:00 | |
| anything, but this just happened. | 01:07:03 | |
| Yesterday. | 01:07:07 | |
| Or posting the agenda. | 01:07:08 | |
| I look up with putting it on the bulletin board and I discovered that there's a public hearing notice. I didn't know that. | 01:07:10 | |
| And so I'm hurrying and just throwing it on. | 01:07:16 | |
| And they were continuing it anyway. | 01:07:19 | |
| But I didn't know about it because I've been on vacation. | 01:07:22 | |
| I was probably not left on vacation, so. | 01:07:26 | |
| There you go. | 01:07:28 | |
| But anyway, so this is an example of issues of posting. | 01:07:31 | |
| That so late in the day on a Tuesday. | 01:07:36 | |
| That's been my stress through. | 01:07:39 | |
| 11 years, well and that is stressful and anyway we can make that stressful off Monday, we would just have to work together. | 01:07:41 | |
| Yeah, I guess Sarah or anybody, just because I interrupted your comment. Sarah, my thing would be. | 01:07:49 | |
| I think we should shoot for that. | 01:07:54 | |
| And then do our best to. | 01:07:56 | |
| Trying to start building a process to it and then. | 01:07:58 | |
| Before formalizing anything, just to learn how it works. | 01:08:00 | |
| Yeah, start doing that. | 01:08:03 | |
| With the next one and. | 01:08:06 | |
| Or add the fiscal impact on. | 01:08:07 | |
| Anything that's on consent. | 01:08:09 | |
| Or if maybe it's not clear on a business item? | 01:08:11 | |
| That's one thing that would be helpful because I know that we're going to have last minute. | 01:08:15 | |
| Amendments and there's going to be circumstances that are unavoidable and I know that will put us down to that 24 hour mark. | 01:08:20 | |
| And even different with emergency things that qualify as an emergency, but I was wondering if we could just make a policy of a | 01:08:27 | |
| standard that. | 01:08:31 | |
| Emergency last minute. | 01:08:34 | |
| Items won't be. | 01:08:36 | |
| Consent that they will actually have to be something that's. | 01:08:38 | |
| For a business item, then silver for discussion and action, Yeah, and I think. | 01:08:41 | |
| I think this is an interesting thing because at any point. | 01:08:46 | |
| You see something on consent that you don't want honor. | 01:08:49 | |
| Just pull it off. | 01:08:52 | |
| Sometimes we just do administrative things on there because. | 01:08:54 | |
| Otherwise, the agenda can become. | 01:08:56 | |
| Complex and it becomes too much of things that. | 01:08:59 | |
| This will be like a two second thing that we don't actually need on the business item. And so if you see something that looks | 01:09:02 | |
| complex that we missed that should have gone on business. | 01:09:06 | |
| My recommendation would just be to pull it off because administratively this is just to conduct. | 01:09:11 | |
| Proper timing. | 01:09:16 | |
| On the agenda? | 01:09:17 | |
| Yeah, and in the. | 01:09:18 | |
| The other thing is, is that. | 01:09:20 | |
| Almost. | 01:09:22 | |
| Almost anything can go on. | 01:09:24 | |
| The mayor said. And you can pull it off and talk about it. | 01:09:27 | |
| So that's something. | 01:09:30 | |
| To just think about, because what we're doing and the reason we're putting them on consent is so that you really only have to. | 01:09:32 | |
| To do 1 motion on things you don't. | 01:09:38 | |
| Really, we feel it doesn't need discussion. | 01:09:40 | |
| And so but if you. | 01:09:44 | |
| See something in there like myself, then just. | 01:09:45 | |
| You can pull it off of themselves. I don't think that's an issue at all. Maybe it's more of a training issue because I think that. | 01:09:48 | |
| As a new council member. | 01:09:55 | |
| It was a little bit overwhelming. | 01:09:57 | |
| To see the consent items and feel kind of this pressure, like, OK, everyone just voted for it. I better say aye. | 01:09:59 | |
| But if it's a last minute item. | 01:10:05 | |
| And maybe as a new council member, they don't fully always recognize what their role is. If it wasn't on your draft agenda and | 01:10:08 | |
| then it got added later as well, sometimes you haven't had time to review. | 01:10:13 | |
| Sometimes when I see an agenda item I haven't seen on a business item. | 01:10:19 | |
| That's more overwhelming for me because it involves. | 01:10:23 | |
| Huge discussions and I'm like, pull it off. | 01:10:26 | |
| You know. | 01:10:29 | |
| Testing with the agenda in general, but if it's a consent item I'm like OK. | 01:10:30 | |
| This is meaningful and if I need to have a discussion I can, but you're right, it's just really hard when you have 24 hours. | 01:10:34 | |
| And I I go over the agenda all weekend and then. | 01:10:40 | |
| Tuesday night it gets posted and. | 01:10:43 | |
| And I'm with family Tuesday night and Wednesday. I'm at work all day and I. | 01:10:46 | |
| Frantically, uh. | 01:10:50 | |
| Trying to prepare for Council. | 01:10:51 | |
| And I and I come prepared. I make sure of it, but it's. | 01:10:53 | |
| It would be nice. | 01:10:57 | |
| To shoot for that Monday and then. | 01:10:59 | |
| To avoid. | 01:11:00 | |
| Putting last minute consent items on whenever possible. | 01:11:02 | |
| Yeah. And I would say this too, well, maybe we can do for policy internally is to say if something was put on. I mean, the goal is | 01:11:05 | |
| always that Eric is reaching out and saying, hey, we added these things. | 01:11:09 | |
| But we could say, hey, these things were added if you need to pull them off. | 01:11:14 | |
| Yeah, so, so back to to. | 01:11:18 | |
| To Jake's point on some of that. | 01:11:21 | |
| Would you like it to say that it's? | 01:11:23 | |
| It must have a. | 01:11:26 | |
| Type of a deadline with it. | 01:11:27 | |
| They were putting it on last minute. | 01:11:29 | |
| Or just have a reasoning. | 01:11:31 | |
| I don't even feel like we know how to do that right now. I think we have to go back and try to figure out the timing of the dates | 01:11:34 | |
| and figure out how to start even. | 01:11:37 | |
| Moving things back for. | 01:11:41 | |
| Yeah, but if there is anything we can always. | 01:11:44 | |
| Pull it off. | 01:11:46 | |
| And discuss it. | 01:11:47 | |
| And we can always talk about this better policy to discuss it. | 01:11:48 | |
| You know, yeah. | 01:11:51 | |
| Yeah. And and like you had mentioned earlier, we. | 01:11:53 | |
| He did bring back the work sessions so that the items but. | 01:11:56 | |
| But this way the items. | 01:12:00 | |
| These are these are the initial introduction to the items of the work session. | 01:12:02 | |
| So a lot of times when they come back as a business item, there's a concern item. You've already had at least one discussion on it | 01:12:05 | |
| because I know with. | 01:12:09 | |
| The some of the code changes you had a couple different discussions and some individual discussions with some of the stuff that | 01:12:13 | |
| you guys had worked on. | 01:12:17 | |
| For some code changes so. | 01:12:22 | |
| I mean, if you don't feel like it's ready, then we put it back on as another work session. | 01:12:24 | |
| As well so. | 01:12:28 | |
| That's just you guys giving directions of staff and letting us know that we're. | 01:12:30 | |
| Yeah. We have so many opportunities as a council to pull it off, continue it, discuss it further. So I feel like it's manageable. | 01:12:34 | |
| I'm sorry. Yeah. | 01:12:39 | |
| OK. | 01:12:44 | |
| I just, I just, I just want to say that it's not a hard and fast rule and it's just like, oh, we tried. | 01:12:46 | |
| I mean, I'm thinking back of the angry. | 01:12:53 | |
| Months of the fall and it's like if it's just. | 01:12:56 | |
| Oh, we're going to try, but then. | 01:12:59 | |
| Everyone has the power to just add it on and say OOP. It's the last minute thing it. | 01:13:01 | |
| There's not a hard and fast pipe. | 01:13:06 | |
| Policy and I think that. | 01:13:07 | |
| Like I just don't want, I don't feel like we have to have a culture of. | 01:13:09 | |
| Well, it has to be done. There's there's no way in waiting 7. | 01:13:13 | |
| Or 14 days. | 01:13:16 | |
| To just get it right. | 01:13:18 | |
| And I think it's not. | 01:13:20 | |
| Me and you read the. | 01:13:21 | |
| Umm where the council reading the umm. | 01:13:23 | |
| Approval or consent items. | 01:13:27 | |
| It's the citizens reading and understanding. | 01:13:30 | |
| I mean, we might have a conversation. | 01:13:34 | |
| About uh. | 01:13:36 | |
| You know anything that's controversial? | 01:13:38 | |
| But if it's not. | 01:13:40 | |
| Understood. | 01:13:41 | |
| Clearly in the consent item and there's not a dollar amount. | 01:13:42 | |
| Citizens will never know and it will look bad. | 01:13:45 | |
| That's why I just need to make sure. | 01:13:47 | |
| That's something else that maybe we talk about a little bit is is when is a staff report required? | 01:13:49 | |
| Expected. | 01:13:57 | |
| Maybe is a better way to say it. | 01:13:58 | |
| Because we. | 01:14:00 | |
| We just kind of. | 01:14:01 | |
| Started using staff reports. | 01:14:02 | |
| Probably in 20, it's been a while. | 01:14:05 | |
| Obviously, but they weren't using them. | 01:14:07 | |
| When I first started. | 01:14:09 | |
| Rarely did we have a full stop report. I know Nathan. | 01:14:10 | |
| Playing with the ones because it. | 01:14:13 | |
| Came from, you know. | 01:14:15 | |
| Different areas, but I feel like that policy is good to talk about Where? | 01:14:17 | |
| Where we decided, but I think the other thing is. | 01:14:22 | |
| If somebody sees something on consent, they do have the 24 hours. So if they see. | 01:14:25 | |
| It and they have a question about it, they can tell their representative and their representative can pull it off so. | 01:14:29 | |
| So I I feel and this is. | 01:14:35 | |
| Pam's opinion is that we have a staff report. | 01:14:38 | |
| For everything except for all the minutes. | 01:14:41 | |
| Then those are self-explanatory I think. | 01:14:44 | |
| So, umm. | 01:14:48 | |
| But I just want kind of wanted your feedback on that as to. | 01:14:49 | |
| I don't know. I would like to see a staff reporter give. | 01:14:53 | |
| Tony and I more information about what is this agenda item and if now you're running us to include that it's got a fiscal impact | 01:14:56 | |
| in that title. | 01:15:00 | |
| We need to make sure that that's included. | 01:15:04 | |
| Because of. | 01:15:07 | |
| If the person putting the agenda item on doesn't put that on, then we. | 01:15:08 | |
| We need to do a little. | 01:15:11 | |
| To provide and make sure we include it for you guys, for everybody. | 01:15:13 | |
| In general for. | 01:15:16 | |
| For publishing and noticing the agenda, my recommendation would be that you take this back to staff meeting and that you guys kind | 01:15:18 | |
| of go through this and review it and say how can we see these things and start building the new agenda. | 01:15:24 | |
| I like it. Yep. | 01:15:30 | |
| I want to give some feedback because you're saying staff report. | 01:15:32 | |
| Do the staff members write an e-mail weekly or bi weekly to Eric right now? | 01:15:35 | |
| Umm, I'm not sure exactly what he's doing. | 01:15:40 | |
| Send you guys out of. | 01:15:44 | |
| Is it a weekly honey? | 01:15:46 | |
| Tony, I'll have a little more insight on that. | 01:15:48 | |
| Eric should be We are going to start playing together, Weekly reports. | 01:15:51 | |
| From the department heads there. | 01:15:55 | |
| There are there are reports that. | 01:15:57 | |
| Department heads to Eric and then a summarization of. | 01:15:59 | |
| The past weeks work that Eric has been doing. | 01:16:03 | |
| To the Council. | 01:16:06 | |
| Right. | 01:16:08 | |
| I would just give some feedback and that that is such a high level report that it doesn't give anything and if. | 01:16:09 | |
| If council members or the mayor is getting one, wouldn't we give the opportunity to get that report as well? | 01:16:14 | |
| I think we're talking about two different types of reports. | 01:16:20 | |
| Right. I think the report that Eric's compiling to send you guys. | 01:16:23 | |
| Is just an overall overview of what each department's doing. | 01:16:28 | |
| The staff reports that I'm talking about actually. | 01:16:32 | |
| Go with the item that's on the agenda. | 01:16:35 | |
| So I'm talking about just clarifying the item. | 01:16:38 | |
| Like if the mayor is getting a staff report from the. | 01:16:41 | |
| The department heads. | 01:16:44 | |
| To then Eric, I think it's going to all over the council. | 01:16:46 | |
| I'm not getting any of them. | 01:16:49 | |
| So I only get Eric's synopsis. Well, that's, yeah. And that's about if they send us Eric. Eric. | 01:16:52 | |
| Does a synopsis of it and then can I be copied on all stuff reports? I'm going to clarify it and then I'm going to end this with a | 01:16:58 | |
| vitamin. Move on. But here's what she's saying. | 01:17:04 | |
| Staff reports, the recommendations are attached to your agenda. Everybody gets it in the agenda. Additionally, there's a report | 01:17:10 | |
| that goes out from Eric. That's the synopsis that you're copied in on. So you receive all reports the same as the whole council. | 01:17:17 | |
| We all receive reports simultaneously. | 01:17:23 | |
| Thank you. We thank you right. And for point of clarification, is there any? | 01:17:25 | |
| Could we vote to get this? | 01:17:29 | |
| Direct report instead of the brief synopsis. | 01:17:31 | |
| From the department heads, because we can get those right. We can't make any vote tonight, but you do get the direct report in | 01:17:34 | |
| your packet. That's what they're discussing. If they were running a different report, we'd have to. | 01:17:39 | |
| Weekly report that they submit to Eric instead of getting the aggregate. | 01:17:47 | |
| I would like the Council on. | 01:17:53 | |
| This particular issue. | 01:17:55 | |
| To by statute have that included. So if we don't want the high version of Eric that we get. | 01:17:57 | |
| The very lengthy from the department head. So Jamie, I'll give you, you can go ahead and talk in a minute. | 01:18:04 | |
| We would. | 01:18:10 | |
| I think we would have to ask. | 01:18:11 | |
| Eric how he wanted to designate that time and if he wanted them to write reports, we would have to have that discussion at a | 01:18:13 | |
| different time. No, we're not. We're not. We're not talking about Eric's. | 01:18:17 | |
| Writing the report, well, I understand. I understand apartment heads that are already writing it. | 01:18:22 | |
| Just to copy us on it so that if the. | 01:18:26 | |
| We read Eric's report. | 01:18:29 | |
| And we say, hey, well, let's get into the details of it. | 01:18:31 | |
| We can also know because you're getting that right. | 01:18:34 | |
| No, I'm not getting around. What I'm saying is we get the same reports. | 01:18:37 | |
| In the pocket and in his synopsis. | 01:18:42 | |
| All of us get the same reports and that is all, but if you do want to have a future conversation about it where we ask for | 01:18:45 | |
| additional reports, we could have that, but we can't tonight. | 01:18:49 | |
| So we're not going to do that same. | 01:18:54 | |
| Please see next agenda item. | 01:18:55 | |
| OK, this is a bit of A tag team presentation with Jenna Ahern. | 01:19:00 | |
| The communications director so. | 01:19:04 | |
| What we wanted to do is give you kind of a brief. | 01:19:06 | |
| Orientation as to the law. | 01:19:10 | |
| As it relates to social media comments and social media posts made by the city. | 01:19:12 | |
| And then Jenna will get into some of the details of the. | 01:19:17 | |
| Policy, so there. | 01:19:21 | |
| By way of background. | 01:19:25 | |
| There are a number of different social media platforms. Each of them have their own. | 01:19:26 | |
| Different rules for. | 01:19:31 | |
| How you post? | 01:19:34 | |
| How you comment? | 01:19:35 | |
| How you moderate comments whether you have to on some? | 01:19:36 | |
| Platforms you have to block people outright. There's no option for. | 01:19:39 | |
| Removing or moderating posts Others do allow a little bit more detail on how you. | 01:19:44 | |
| Moderate and work through things. | 01:19:50 | |
| There is a little bit of a difficulty applying the law to some of the specific platforms, but I'll walk through. | 01:19:53 | |
| In a nutshell, how? | 01:19:59 | |
| That works. | 01:20:00 | |
| There are two primary concerns when we look at social media. The 1st is any of the city. | 01:20:02 | |
| Any use by the city of social media or by city officials. | 01:20:08 | |
| Of social media when they're when you are acting in your official capacity. | 01:20:12 | |
| Are public. | 01:20:17 | |
| So comments are visible, comments are accessible by search engines, and they're classified as public records under state law. If | 01:20:19 | |
| there were a. | 01:20:22 | |
| Request for that information. | 01:20:26 | |
| The First Amendment also comes to bear Commenters on social media posts have First Amendment rights. | 01:20:29 | |
| Which means the city can restrict certain. | 01:20:36 | |
| Types of comments, but. | 01:20:39 | |
| You can only do them. | 01:20:40 | |
| According to legitimate time, place and manner. | 01:20:42 | |
| Restrictions. So things like offensive comments. | 01:20:45 | |
| They may remain if they are legally protected speech. | 01:20:49 | |
| These are the categories of things that are allowed. | 01:20:54 | |
| By law to be removed so if you have a discriminatory. | 01:20:57 | |
| Comment A comment about somebody's race, somebody's marital status, somebody's sexual orientation, their religion. | 01:21:01 | |
| You can remove those types of comments. | 01:21:09 | |
| Slander or defamation? | 01:21:12 | |
| If you have a threatening, harassing or profane comment, a sexual comment. | 01:21:13 | |
| And then as you go down through the list, there are a number of other things for which you can moderate. | 01:21:18 | |
| Or remove. | 01:21:25 | |
| A comment. | 01:21:26 | |
| Essentially, hear what you're trying to do is keep people from harm. | 01:21:27 | |
| Or keep it. | 01:21:32 | |
| But what you cannot do is remove a comment based on its content. | 01:21:33 | |
| If you're, if you have a position on something that is A and somebody comments and says I like B. | 01:21:38 | |
| You can't remove those comments that say they prefer the other. | 01:21:44 | |
| We, I'll skip that one because we'll get into it a little bit, but. | 01:21:50 | |
| That's that's the basic framework for comments by way of background. | 01:21:54 | |
| The city used to allow. | 01:21:59 | |
| Comments on its social media. | 01:22:01 | |
| Posts and. | 01:22:03 | |
| Then with. | 01:22:05 | |
| More and more social media use and more and more controversial issues. | 01:22:07 | |
| There begin to be posts. | 01:22:11 | |
| That were I thought. | 01:22:14 | |
| Within the category of being threatening, harassing or. | 01:22:16 | |
| And the city did not have in place. | 01:22:20 | |
| Policy for dealing with those types of comments. And so your options were a little bit more binary. It was either you allow | 01:22:22 | |
| comments or you disallow comments. But if you don't have a policy. | 01:22:27 | |
| You can't remove them without. | 01:22:33 | |
| Inviting a First Amendment lawsuit, and we've seen in. | 01:22:35 | |
| Just this last Supreme Court calendar. | 01:22:38 | |
| 2 cases. | 01:22:41 | |
| That related to. | 01:22:42 | |
| Section 1983 claims against. | 01:22:44 | |
| Cities and public. | 01:22:46 | |
| For social media use. | 01:22:49 | |
| So what we have now done is taken some time to go through and prepare a policy. | 01:22:50 | |
| And Jenna and her office have done quite a bit of work to put that together. | 01:22:56 | |
| The policy will allow for removal of comments based on these criteria that are up on the board. | 01:23:00 | |
| And then the other thing the policy allows. | 01:23:07 | |
| That, I think is really healthy and important. | 01:23:10 | |
| Is that? | 01:23:12 | |
| If a comment is removed, hidden, muted, depending on what the platform is. | 01:23:13 | |
| There would be an appeal process where the person who had their comment removed. | 01:23:18 | |
| Could come to the city and say I. | 01:23:22 | |
| I think you interpret it. | 01:23:24 | |
| Incorrectly and it should remain. | 01:23:25 | |
| And then the communications director can remove that. | 01:23:29 | |
| Or can review. | 01:23:31 | |
| That appeal and then. | 01:23:33 | |
| Make a decision on it. | 01:23:35 | |
| So I'm going to step aside and yield to Jenna to talk a little bit about how she'll. | 01:23:37 | |
| Her office will go about implementing this. | 01:23:42 | |
| And then I'll be available as a resource if you have questions. | 01:23:44 | |
| Yeah, thanks, Jamie. So. | 01:23:48 | |
| Like we said in the past comments used to be allowed and. | 01:23:51 | |
| And without that policy in place, it is hard to handle those situations that come about that are violations of. | 01:23:55 | |
| Those non protected. | 01:24:02 | |
| Areas so. | 01:24:04 | |
| And going forward with this policy with our new digital media specialists, we have that staff power to dedicate more time to | 01:24:06 | |
| addressing these comments and we think it's. | 01:24:11 | |
| A great option like social media is a great option for residents to be able to interact with staff, interact with the city, get | 01:24:16 | |
| questions answered. | 01:24:19 | |
| Be able to voice concerns, give feedback. | 01:24:24 | |
| Of course we want it to be. | 01:24:27 | |
| A healthy interaction and like we can't control all the negativity out there and we recognize that. | 01:24:30 | |
| There was there going to be angry posts, There's going to be some negativity that we see. | 01:24:36 | |
| As such, based on. | 01:24:41 | |
| Looking at other cities, other state departments. | 01:24:44 | |
| They don't. | 01:24:47 | |
| Umm, respond to every single comment. So that's not something that we would plan to do. | 01:24:49 | |
| Just as a city like we don't have the resources to. | 01:24:56 | |
| Go in depth every single time. | 01:25:00 | |
| Anybody brings up anything, I mean, of course we're going to do our best to respond to valid concerns and questions and feedback. | 01:25:02 | |
| But yeah, we don't have the staff power to really. | 01:25:09 | |
| Respond to every single question and we want to keep comments open so that people can interact with each other as well. | 01:25:13 | |
| And as part of our policy, we're making it clear that this comment section is not meant to be a replacement for. | 01:25:18 | |
| Emergency reporting or report a concern or. | 01:25:24 | |
| Safety concerns. | 01:25:28 | |
| We'll make it clear that there. | 01:25:30 | |
| Appropriate channels to go through to report those concerns or get help for that. | 01:25:32 | |
| And that the social media is meant to be an interactive. | 01:25:36 | |
| Place where people can. | 01:25:41 | |
| You know, interact with each other, interact with the city and get answers to their questions. | 01:25:42 | |
| Right now, based on our estimates, about 20% of residents follow the social media channels, so. | 01:25:47 | |
| We think it's going to be a really. | 01:25:54 | |
| Helpful thing that they can find answers to questions straight from the city. | 01:25:55 | |
| And be able to interact with each other as well. | 01:26:00 | |
| We'll be creating templates for. | 01:26:03 | |
| Certain common questions, like if people try to report concerns via comments templates that we can respond to make that process a | 01:26:05 | |
| lot easier. | 01:26:09 | |
| And less time intensive on staff. | 01:26:13 | |
| And that we get that. | 01:26:16 | |
| Kind of a cohesive. | 01:26:18 | |
| Umm response going so that people get the same. | 01:26:21 | |
| The same level of. | 01:26:25 | |
| Response when they have those questions. | 01:26:26 | |
| I just want to add an. | 01:26:31 | |
| The reason why China is saying this is there's a lot of frustration as we've been working on this policy. | 01:26:33 | |
| About umm. | 01:26:38 | |
| What it means to? | 01:26:40 | |
| To report a concern or to. | 01:26:41 | |
| Their comments not being answered. | 01:26:44 | |
| And there's a lot of feedback. | 01:26:46 | |
| That the council and others give about how these questions aren't addressed. | 01:26:48 | |
| And the issue is that there. | 01:26:53 | |
| Is not enough. | 01:26:55 | |
| Resources or people? | 01:26:58 | |
| To actually follow. | 01:27:00 | |
| Look through comments and find. | 01:27:02 | |
| Out how to respond to those questions, that's why going through the podium channel. | 01:27:05 | |
| Or the report. | 01:27:10 | |
| Sort of concern. You can see that instant feedback and sometimes that's really upsetting to residents when they're like, you | 01:27:11 | |
| haven't responded for three weeks. | 01:27:15 | |
| And uh. | 01:27:19 | |
| That's not the. | 01:27:19 | |
| The place to make that? | 01:27:20 | |
| Dialogue. | 01:27:23 | |
| And that's our big reason why people want U.S. Open is so that they can report their concern or put something inside of there or | 01:27:24 | |
| ask for help. | 01:27:28 | |
| Inside several threads of questions. | 01:27:32 | |
| And it can be very complex because what Jenna is stating really clearly is that's not. | 01:27:35 | |
| Well, this will be used for it's just going to be on the post and sometimes they'll see something and they'll go. | 01:27:40 | |
| Back in the lake. | 01:27:46 | |
| That there's just not enough manpower inside of. | 01:27:48 | |
| The office to do that. | 01:27:50 | |
| And our plan at the moment is. | 01:27:52 | |
| If we move forward with this to create a post kind of outlining those guidelines and where they can turn for those resources | 01:27:53 | |
| pinning it. | 01:27:57 | |
| You know, at the top of our feed or making it like a highlight level later on just so that people can reference that back and | 01:28:01 | |
| that's in a really clear place for residents to see and recognize that. | 01:28:05 | |
| We're not an emergency service like this doesn't report a concern. This is meant to be community engagement and helping people get | 01:28:10 | |
| answers to questions about the events that we're talking about or the programs that are going on. | 01:28:15 | |
| But that real concerns do need to be. | 01:28:20 | |
| Channel through the appropriate resources so. | 01:28:22 | |
| Well, and I guess. | 01:28:27 | |
| When we talk about that there. | 01:28:28 | |
| This was a plan from when this was put in. | 01:28:30 | |
| And the policy to make it an information site was to give everybody at the opportunity to obtain this information. | 01:28:32 | |
| And to do the things that Jamie was articulating, and then this plan was being built. | 01:28:39 | |
| But as you think about why you would open it back up if you're just considering this to be a place where people gather | 01:28:43 | |
| information? | 01:28:47 | |
| If you're thinking this is a place where people go and they get. | 01:28:51 | |
| The answers to all of these other things? | 01:28:54 | |
| It will be a confusing. | 01:28:56 | |
| Platform because there's not the resources or ability to do any of those things on this. | 01:28:58 | |
| When I could see a concern specifically. | 01:29:03 | |
| This from the history of the current Council, sometimes I think. | 01:29:08 | |
| When this does get opened up or however we push forward. | 01:29:12 | |
| Sometimes the Council will have opinions on how it needs to be answered and I think there needs to be a clear policy that this is. | 01:29:17 | |
| In the purview of our social media director and if there's something of great concern. | 01:29:23 | |
| Then it could be brought to the director, but I think. | 01:29:28 | |
| We would want to make sure that as a council we understand we can't make or manage that. | 01:29:31 | |
| There's there's a really important legal issue. | 01:29:36 | |
| Related to what Councilwoman SU Fuentes just mentioned, and I didn't put it on my presentation, but you do need to be. | 01:29:39 | |
| Thinking about it. | 01:29:46 | |
| Anytime that you have a quorum. | 01:29:48 | |
| Of the council gathered. | 01:29:50 | |
| It is a quote meeting. | 01:29:52 | |
| And it has to be properly noticed. | 01:29:54 | |
| And there's an interpretation of the Open and Public Meetings Act that. | 01:29:56 | |
| If you all are on the same thread commenting. | 01:30:01 | |
| That it would be a meeting. | 01:30:05 | |
| And so my. | 01:30:08 | |
| Strong advice on. | 01:30:09 | |
| City social media house would be that members of the. | 01:30:11 | |
| Council limit. | 01:30:14 | |
| Their interaction on us if you do decide to open comments up and. | 01:30:16 | |
| I I should also note, and I didn't say this at the beginning of the presentation, we have a draft policy. Nothing is set in stone | 01:30:20 | |
| yet. What we wanted to do is take it to you and broad strokes today. | 01:30:25 | |
| To get your feedback on it. | 01:30:31 | |
| And then we'll refine it, circulate it, you can review it and. | 01:30:33 | |
| And then consider it fully. | 01:30:37 | |
| But you're not obligated to turn comments on. | 01:30:39 | |
| On social media, you can choose to continue to use social media as just. | 01:30:44 | |
| A way to push information out, but not of. | 01:30:49 | |
| Forum. Not a public forum in the sense the First Amendment uses that word. | 01:30:51 | |
| If once you open it up, it does become a public forum. | 01:30:57 | |
| It's a limited public forum you can put. | 01:31:01 | |
| Time, place, and manner restrictions on it, but not many. | 01:31:04 | |
| I mean it really. It really essentially is the flip. | 01:31:07 | |
| And so there will be situations where each of you may want to weigh in on comments or talk on the same thread. | 01:31:11 | |
| To those comments and. | 01:31:19 | |
| You're going to be restricted a little bit just because of the Open and Public Meetings Act. | 01:31:20 | |
| So I have a question. | 01:31:25 | |
| If that's the case and there's something we want to respond to, can we just reach out and say? | 01:31:27 | |
| Direct message me yes and not have a conversation on the same thread yes. | 01:31:32 | |
| Yeah, you can certainly do that. You can reach out to your constituents. | 01:31:37 | |
| You know, through that platform you can reach out to them. | 01:31:40 | |
| By e-mail, text, whatever is convenient. It just can't be. | 01:31:44 | |
| A conversation. | 01:31:47 | |
| Including. | 01:31:49 | |
| Three or more of you. | 01:31:50 | |
| On the same thread and there can be. | 01:31:52 | |
| A little bit of tension among councils in that context, because if Sarah reads it first in comments. | 01:31:55 | |
| And then Marty reads it second in comments. | 01:32:01 | |
| Than the rest of you are left out. | 01:32:04 | |
| Of the conversation. | 01:32:06 | |
| OK. | 01:32:08 | |
| OK, any questions? If not, send your thoughts to. | 01:32:11 | |
| These two and we can start having a further discussion on it. | 01:32:15 | |
| Does that mean all comments would be turned on Instagram, Facebook and every? | 01:32:20 | |
| Account that we have. | 01:32:24 | |
| Well. | 01:32:25 | |
| There's. | 01:32:27 | |
| You can make a few different choices here. You could. | 01:32:28 | |
| Elect to continue to keep comments. | 01:32:31 | |
| You could turn them on for certain posts and not others. | 01:32:34 | |
| So the city may wish to put something out that would say we have an event this Thursday night. | 01:32:38 | |
| You know, please come. | 01:32:43 | |
| And you may not want comments on that thing and you may have another one that would be. | 01:32:45 | |
| We're doing a planning study on this area and we would like your feedback. | 01:32:49 | |
| Where you then would invite feedback and you could use the social media tool as a way to gather that. | 01:32:54 | |
| Not all platforms let you turn some comments on some comments off, and so it gets a little tricky because it becomes binary. | 01:33:01 | |
| Within how those systems work and so. | 01:33:10 | |
| You could also have a discussion and Jenna. | 01:33:13 | |
| Will know this better than I do about how the different platforms work and whether you wanted to have it. | 01:33:16 | |
| Open comments across the board. | 01:33:21 | |
| Comments on. | 01:33:23 | |
| You know, limited items, but not every item. | 01:33:24 | |
| But the moment you open comments on an item. | 01:33:27 | |
| You have to leave them open on that item. | 01:33:30 | |
| And you can only. | 01:33:33 | |
| Cold restrict those comments that fall into those really. | 01:33:35 | |
| Strict categories that I had up on the screen. | 01:33:39 | |
| Great. Thank you. | 01:33:45 | |
| All right, Jamie, you're up again. | 01:33:46 | |
| For the Finance Committee. | 01:33:49 | |
| I'm going to slide into this seat because. | 01:33:53 | |
| This is really Council Member Holdaway's item. | 01:33:55 | |
| But I'll. | 01:33:58 | |
| Give a little bit of background. | 01:34:00 | |
| On it. | 01:34:01 | |
| There have been questions during the budget discussions of. | 01:34:03 | |
| What are the right ways for council members and for residents to engage? | 01:34:08 | |
| Financial decisions of the city. | 01:34:14 | |
| And so a piece of advice that I have given to. | 01:34:16 | |
| Council member Holdaway and other members of the City Council is that some cities form. | 01:34:20 | |
| Finance Committee. | 01:34:26 | |
| And the Finance Committee typically is. | 01:34:28 | |
| Formed by a few council members and then. | 01:34:31 | |
| Those members of staff that. | 01:34:34 | |
| Have areas of responsibility related to finance? It could be. | 01:34:37 | |
| Budget responsibilities that could be treasurer responsibilities, that could be audit responsibilities, but anything in in kind of | 01:34:42 | |
| that grouping in that category. | 01:34:46 | |
| Could attend those meetings. | 01:34:52 | |
| They because it's not a quorum of the council. | 01:34:54 | |
| They wouldn't meet publicly, but what it would do is provide a structure where in a few different council members could. | 01:34:58 | |
| Dive a little bit deeper into that topic and then anytime you had. | 01:35:05 | |
| A discussion as a council on a financial topic. You could look to those council members as. | 01:35:08 | |
| More expert than they would be if they just had brought. | 01:35:14 | |
| Responsibilities across the Council and so. | 01:35:18 | |
| Councilmember Holloway asked to have this be placed on the agenda for discussion. The mayor acquiesced. | 01:35:22 | |
| And put it on the. | 01:35:28 | |
| Agenda today as an option. | 01:35:29 | |
| I have done a little bit of work just to review. | 01:35:32 | |
| How a few different cities use finance committees. | 01:35:35 | |
| That's just based on the experience of the lawyers in my firm in the different cities that we represent. | 01:35:39 | |
| They're the only city we could find in the state that had a formally established Finance Committee that. | 01:35:44 | |
| Sections and the like 1. | 01:35:51 | |
| Was Salt Lake City. That's in a really different government structure and they actually had a Finance Committee for their RDA. | 01:35:52 | |
| Their counsel and their. | 01:35:58 | |
| City administration. | 01:36:02 | |
| And it was really different than I think, what you'd be. | 01:36:04 | |
| What you'd be talking about, but. | 01:36:07 | |
| Essentially by my experience. | 01:36:10 | |
| Most cities have function with. | 01:36:12 | |
| A few different council members and then staff as needed. | 01:36:14 | |
| They don't name anybody other than the council members to the committee and the. | 01:36:17 | |
| The committee members. | 01:36:20 | |
| Under Vineyard code would be. | 01:36:23 | |
| Appointed by the mayor and then? | 01:36:25 | |
| Work in that capacity as their. | 01:36:27 | |
| Their council assignments. | 01:36:29 | |
| Well, I have just for. | 01:36:33 | |
| Typically what we've done is I usually appoint someone to finance or I hold the seat myself and then. | 01:36:35 | |
| Invite rotating council members to. | 01:36:41 | |
| To have discussions with our executive staff and our finance team. | 01:36:44 | |
| And then all Council goes through the budgeting process and has their individual meetings through that section. | 01:36:48 | |
| So because. | 01:36:54 | |
| Because we had a lot of. | 01:36:55 | |
| Questions in detail. This year we had a lot of. | 01:36:57 | |
| Group discussion and then individual discussions and then we held a lot of open discussions for people that wanted to bring in. | 01:37:00 | |
| People they were working with. | 01:37:07 | |
| But following that line, we can definitely move forward and even assign one or two people. | 01:37:09 | |
| As we go forward and the way that we've processed it in the past is. | 01:37:15 | |
| Quarterly meeting. | 01:37:19 | |
| That's typical. And then just any insights or any meetings that they have questions? | 01:37:21 | |
| And then we. | 01:37:26 | |
| Would still remain the Council through that same problem. | 01:37:27 | |
| Budget process. | 01:37:30 | |
| Jake, did you have anything to add or anything that you wanted to clarify? | 01:37:37 | |
| Can't believe. | 01:37:42 | |
| Like, I'm just really disappointed in the spirit of it. | 01:37:43 | |
| Umm, you know, we have a very long history and I wish Eric were here. | 01:37:47 | |
| To defend himself, but we've gone back and forth in emails. | 01:37:53 | |
| You know, as I called the state. | 01:37:56 | |
| Auditor today. | 01:37:59 | |
| I called. | 01:38:01 | |
| A lot of different cities. | 01:38:02 | |
| And I have. | 01:38:04 | |
| Had to help him understand that. | 01:38:05 | |
| My city manager wants to deny meetings. | 01:38:07 | |
| And I now have been corrected that he can deny meetings under his authority. | 01:38:10 | |
| It's just disappointing. | 01:38:18 | |
| You can have two different sides of stories. | 01:38:22 | |
| Of I think this happened. | 01:38:26 | |
| And there's a long history there. I even called. | 01:38:28 | |
| You know, previous. | 01:38:33 | |
| Late Commission members of How do I Deal Better with Eric? | 01:38:35 | |
| And the first thing that the first thing that. | 01:38:39 | |
| Came up was. | 01:38:43 | |
| He does have a right, but the Council has the ability. | 01:38:45 | |
| To put in different policies. | 01:38:49 | |
| Our ordinance says that maybe we might not be able to force him, but we have the ability to do open working sessions. | 01:38:53 | |
| Knowing the history. | 01:39:00 | |
| And I don't want to belabor the point of all the instances. | 01:39:02 | |
| But there are many. | 01:39:06 | |
| And I think everyone knows for the vast majority where. | 01:39:07 | |
| Whether it be the Ledger? | 01:39:10 | |
| Or or different issues. | 01:39:13 | |
| There's a different story and. | 01:39:17 | |
| Having. | 01:39:19 | |
| A witness and. | 01:39:20 | |
| An advisor. | 01:39:23 | |
| And I would quite frankly say that the vast majority of things and I understand that I'm more of the whistleblower role or the one | 01:39:25 | |
| that. | 01:39:28 | |
| Picks at things not to be negative, but to try to improve. | 01:39:31 | |
| I try to come with an eye of. | 01:39:35 | |
| Hey, what is this? Whether it be? | 01:39:37 | |
| You know, concert tickets or different things that come to light. | 01:39:39 | |
| That are ugly. | 01:39:43 | |
| Umm, you know they, I know they are accusatory of, of staff or things, but. | 01:39:45 | |
| To go in. | 01:39:51 | |
| All by yourself. | 01:39:53 | |
| Is not good government. | 01:39:54 | |
| Are you not being accommodated with this discussion? | 01:39:56 | |
| Being provided an Ave. to start, set up a committee that you could be on and do these things. | 01:39:59 | |
| Yeah. So reading through the e-mail, the mayor would pick her own committee, she would pick the people. It would be the finance | 01:40:04 | |
| director. It would be Eric. | 01:40:08 | |
| And it would. | 01:40:13 | |
| In his words, and I'm reading it straight forward, I would not advise or recommend that a city that a citizen be on that. | 01:40:14 | |
| So that's not what we're talking about. | 01:40:20 | |
| We're talking about the ability for me to have. | 01:40:23 | |
| Somebody there is a witness so that false accusations don't come up. | 01:40:26 | |
| And I don't want to go through because we've gone through close right the. | 01:40:30 | |
| I don't want to go through closed door meetings of. | 01:40:34 | |
| Things that have happened in our city where? | 01:40:37 | |
| There are quite. | 01:40:39 | |
| Questions of what did or did not happen. | 01:40:40 | |
| And as a council member. | 01:40:43 | |
| With false accusations that have come up before in the past where investigations have had to happen. | 01:40:45 | |
| Closed door meetings have had to happen and. | 01:40:52 | |
| People's integrity have been questioned. | 01:40:54 | |
| I would be foolish to put myself in a one-on-one situation. | 01:40:57 | |
| Without an advisor or somebody there, you just integrity in question. No, I'm saying there's two different stories. No, he's not | 01:41:01 | |
| here. We've we've talked about it in open with him. We've gone back and forth. Actually we have talked about it in open and we | 01:41:05 | |
| have. | 01:41:10 | |
| Shown that there have been multiple witnesses in the room. | 01:41:15 | |
| And that they have disagreed with you. | 01:41:18 | |
| And you have. | 01:41:20 | |
| You have been told that. | 01:41:21 | |
| Eric has met with the people that you were talking about and then said. | 01:41:23 | |
| We can't continue to. | 01:41:27 | |
| And resources on this committee. | 01:41:29 | |
| Right. And, and and it wasn't that. | 01:41:31 | |
| It wasn't. | 01:41:33 | |
| And he had very specific reasons for it. | 01:41:34 | |
| And it followed exactly what he needed to do. He was open about it. | 01:41:37 | |
| He talked about it here. | 01:41:41 | |
| And to come out and act. | 01:41:43 | |
| Like he wasn't trying. Especially when you just randomly bring up things. | 01:41:44 | |
| Like the Ledger? | 01:41:50 | |
| Or that you're a whistleblower. Nobody has been doing any activity that is illegal. | 01:41:51 | |
| Nobody has been trying to cut you out of meetings. | 01:41:55 | |
| And even now when you brought up the. | 01:41:58 | |
| We're saying this is how we've done it. | 01:42:00 | |
| This would be a great and appropriate way to do it. | 01:42:02 | |
| And if this isn't? | 01:42:05 | |
| And I'm still talking. You can wait. You can wait your turn. This isn't a word salad. This is stop. Stop and take your turn. | 01:42:06 | |
| This isn't a word salad. This Is Us. | 01:42:14 | |
| Disagreeing with you or me and Amber speaking? Disagreeing with you. | 01:42:17 | |
| A word salad. | 01:42:21 | |
| This is not a word salad you're saying and the Ledger. | 01:42:22 | |
| And then you don't talk about the Ledger. | 01:42:25 | |
| Or what was discussed? Or have you asked? I'm still talking and then you can talk. | 01:42:27 | |
| You can talk when I'm done. | 01:42:32 | |
| You you are not just saying. | 01:42:34 | |
| That there was a disagreement. | 01:42:37 | |
| You are making an accusation. | 01:42:39 | |
| You are stating that you are a whistleblower. | 01:42:41 | |
| You are stating that you're creating transparency while other people are accusing him of doing something illegal and other | 01:42:43 | |
| investigations. You are alluding to things. | 01:42:46 | |
| That is inappropriate for this discussion. | 01:42:51 | |
| If you want to tell us that you want an advisor and that you want to. | 01:42:53 | |
| Expand this beyond an executive meeting. | 01:42:56 | |
| That would be appropriate. | 01:42:58 | |
| Go ahead and take your turn. | 01:43:01 | |
| Can I openly talk about the issues and problems or do we have to go into a closed door session because I would love to name names | 01:43:03 | |
| right now. | 01:43:06 | |
| I don't have any context for. | 01:43:10 | |
| If we need to go into the history of what's gone on, I think I'd like to go into a closed session. | 01:43:13 | |
| I'd like to add that. | 01:43:19 | |
| For character of someone. | 01:43:21 | |
| No, I would like to be able to openly talk about the instances. | 01:43:23 | |
| Because they're known. | 01:43:27 | |
| If you. | 01:43:29 | |
| Wish to talk about the character, competence and performance of an individual than. | 01:43:29 | |
| Yes, a closed session is the place for that. | 01:43:34 | |
| If what? | 01:43:37 | |
| I'm struggling to follow. | 01:43:39 | |
| No, someone would be so foolish. | 01:43:42 | |
| I'm struggling to follow how the conversation's going to kind of personalize. Hang on, I'm still not done. | 01:43:47 | |
| There there is. | 01:43:54 | |
| The question that was put to me is. | 01:43:57 | |
| What are ways that other cities engage in? | 01:44:00 | |
| The finance. | 01:44:04 | |
| Of the city. | 01:44:06 | |
| The budget process. | 01:44:08 | |
| Audit processes. | 01:44:09 | |
| Bigger decisions that might require. | 01:44:11 | |
| Financial tools or debt? | 01:44:14 | |
| To fund. | 01:44:16 | |
| And one of. | 01:44:18 | |
| My answers to you was that many cities. Most cities. | 01:44:20 | |
| Have a formal Finance Committee that has a few council members on it. | 01:44:24 | |
| And then those council members get to do a deeper dive. | 01:44:28 | |
| And focus their time on that and. | 01:44:33 | |
| Councils will have other assignments for other topics and by dividing them up and diving deeper as a council. | 01:44:35 | |
| You then have council members that can develop some expertise. | 01:44:42 | |
| So that when you have a question about the budget or finances or expenditures. | 01:44:46 | |
| You don't always. | 01:44:52 | |
| Just have to go to your city manager. You also could turn to the council members that are on the Finance Committee. | 01:44:53 | |
| So that was the basis of my recommendation was. | 01:44:59 | |
| If you want. | 01:45:03 | |
| As a city to have. | 01:45:04 | |
| Multiple layers of expertise and multiple eyes on things. | 01:45:06 | |
| That a Finance Committee is a good way to accomplish that. | 01:45:11 | |
| No, we're we're dealing more with trust issues and the ability to have an open dialogue and understand what did or did not happen | 01:45:15 | |
| in meetings. | 01:45:20 | |
| And I don't mind openly talking about it, but I don't want to say, hey, you're not allowed to talk about this. | 01:45:25 | |
| So I mean just with the Ledger, right, We went back and forth for two months of is Jake or Eric asked using the word Ledger. | 01:45:31 | |
| In these meetings and you go if it was recorded or someone was there. | 01:45:40 | |
| They would know, and that's good for both sides. | 01:45:43 | |
| Right. I think I'm being very generous where I'm not saying who was right or was that. | 01:45:46 | |
| But as a council putting in putting forth a policy to say. | 01:45:51 | |
| Jake is not what Eric is now. | 01:45:55 | |
| Apparently under his authority. | 01:45:58 | |
| Now has the ability. | 01:46:00 | |
| To deny meetings if there is a witness. | 01:46:01 | |
| Or an advisor present and that is just unacceptable. You added that thing at the end that made it seem like that was the reason | 01:46:06 | |
| why he did it. | 01:46:10 | |
| You wanted to have a meeting. | 01:46:14 | |
| You called on the same day at. | 01:46:16 | |
| 3:00. | 01:46:18 | |
| In order to create actions by a committee that isn't deputized, we didn't wasn't brought on by the council. | 01:46:19 | |
| At 3:00 on Monday, into it. No, it was about wanting to hold it. | 01:46:26 | |
| The same day I read it wasn't the same day. | 01:46:29 | |
| The budget committee was month. It was like weeks later. | 01:46:32 | |
| Several times, right? | 01:46:36 | |
| Specific meeting that he was talking about not holding. | 01:46:37 | |
| Was scheduled and planned for and then you ended up holding at somebody's house at 5:00 at night. | 01:46:41 | |
| No, no, that was not Eric. | 01:46:46 | |
| Eric denied that meeting. That's what I'm talking about because it was a short term schedule meeting. He's denying all meetings | 01:46:48 | |
| moving forward. Mayor, he does not want to meet. | 01:46:53 | |
| He sent an e-mail out to me. | 01:46:58 | |
| And said he will not meet unless I'm all by myself. | 01:46:59 | |
| That's unacceptable. | 01:47:02 | |
| That's not true. That's not true. That is. | 01:47:04 | |
| Do we want anyone to raise their hands about what he's been going back on for? Listen, no. I mean, I was copied on some of these | 01:47:07 | |
| emails and I think if you're going to quote. | 01:47:11 | |
| What his intentions are. I think you should read the whole thing if you're going to. | 01:47:15 | |
| If he's not here to speak for himself, and if you're going to summarize well, I'm glad to hear it, that he will be willing to meet | 01:47:19 | |
| with somebody else in the room. | 01:47:22 | |
| Because. | 01:47:26 | |
| I think that. | 01:47:29 | |
| You. It's not that. | 01:47:29 | |
| He's not. | 01:47:31 | |
| It's not that he's not willing to meet with somebody else in the room. | 01:47:32 | |
| He's saying that he wants. | 01:47:34 | |
| I don't even want to hyper. I don't want to. | 01:47:36 | |
| Summarize his e-mail. | 01:47:38 | |
| Because I thought the way he worded it was very. | 01:47:40 | |
| Fair and explained why. | 01:47:43 | |
| He was. | 01:47:46 | |
| But he's he's denying, he says that. | 01:47:47 | |
| I just don't think it's. I don't read the e-mail. Read the e-mail publicly if you want. | 01:47:52 | |
| Jacob, I feel bad that we don't want to meet often. | 01:47:57 | |
| I meet with the other council members and mayor, at least everyone. | 01:48:00 | |
| These are productive 101 meetings in which council members, the city manager and the city mayor can work together to discuss | 01:48:06 | |
| issues facing the city. | 01:48:09 | |
| In a collaborative manner. | 01:48:13 | |
| Having these meetings help council members to be better representatives of those Vineyard residents. | 01:48:14 | |
| Who elect them? | 01:48:20 | |
| That position, it allows you to be informed. | 01:48:21 | |
| Oh sorry, I'm reading the wrong e-mail. | 01:48:24 | |
| Sorry, uh. | 01:48:25 | |
| Let me grab it. | 01:48:27 | |
| Jake, please review my most recent communication. I did not accept your request. | 01:48:33 | |
| To continue group meetings rather, I encourage you to accept the offer. | 01:48:38 | |
| To meet regularly with the mayor. | 01:48:42 | |
| I also encourage you to take. | 01:48:44 | |
| To take the content of those one-on-one meetings back to your constituents and advisors. | 01:48:46 | |
| So yeah, he has. He stopped reading now. He stopped. | 01:48:53 | |
| Read the whole thing because he talked about making sure that at the end of the meeting. | 01:48:56 | |
| That you 2 could discuss what the. | 01:49:00 | |
| What the team was from the meeting. Hold on, let me finish. | 01:49:03 | |
| You guys would discuss at the end of the meeting. | 01:49:06 | |
| This is what we talked about, this is where we stand, This is what we agree upon. | 01:49:08 | |
| This is what will be reported to anyone and everyone that wants. I'm really excited to hear that. But that was in the e-mail. | 01:49:13 | |
| You've read that e-mail. | 01:49:16 | |
| No, I'll keep reading. It doesn't say that, it says. | 01:49:20 | |
| Why would I have that e-mail and you wouldn't? | 01:49:23 | |
| As if. | 01:49:26 | |
| Point of order, we're going to go back to this discussion. We we see that. | 01:49:28 | |
| I'm excited this year that he's going to allow somebody in the meeting. | 01:49:31 | |
| No, I'm happy to go. That's not what I said. | 01:49:35 | |
| That's not at all what I said, yeah. | 01:49:37 | |
| It's. | 01:49:39 | |
| You guys, many of the things I've already finished what you're saying and then we're going to go back to discussion in that | 01:49:41 | |
| e-mail. | 01:49:44 | |
| I'm not sure if it's that. | 01:49:48 | |
| One, but it's in that thread. | 01:49:50 | |
| He said that he really wants to meet with you more regularly and he understands your concern of the he said he said thing. | 01:49:51 | |
| What he said that at the end of the meeting with you and Hammond, potentially the mayor. | 01:49:59 | |
| You would be able to sit down and say these are the points we talked about. | 01:50:04 | |
| These are what we will report on. | 01:50:09 | |
| Like a record of the meeting. | 01:50:11 | |
| So that there is no confusion on. | 01:50:12 | |
| Jake said this or Jake didn't say this because you both would agree on how contact meeting would be reported on. | 01:50:15 | |
| So for me what I'm saying is I see intent here. | 01:50:21 | |
| He doesn't want there to be this conflict with you. He understands your distrust of him and he's trying to find solutions, and I | 01:50:24 | |
| think it's healthy. | 01:50:28 | |
| For a city manager or any employee within any kind of. | 01:50:32 | |
| City or corporation to have boundaries on how they're able to conduct. | 01:50:36 | |
| Conduct their position and their job. | 01:50:40 | |
| Do you know how they hold on one second? | 01:50:42 | |
| Now the reason no. | 01:50:45 | |
| And then saying, hold on, Jake, Jake, hold on, Jake, hold on one second. | 01:50:47 | |
| So Marty's point to you is that there's an opportunity to have a discussion. | 01:50:51 | |
| Because you. | 01:50:57 | |
| And then she responded. | 01:50:59 | |
| And the point of the the reason why I let it go on is because. | 01:51:01 | |
| This allows us to decide. | 01:51:06 | |
| If this is the way we want to hold. | 01:51:08 | |
| The Finance Committee or if we want. | 01:51:10 | |
| To formalize it in policy. | 01:51:12 | |
| We now know how it's been happening. | 01:51:14 | |
| Jamie talked about how other cities do it and how we could do it. | 01:51:16 | |
| If you would like to offer a suggestion about doing it a different way, please present it to the Council Council, then you can | 01:51:19 | |
| discuss. | 01:51:22 | |
| That is the conversation we're having. We're now going back to the. | 01:51:25 | |
| The other discussion that is irrelevant to this we have to keep business. | 01:51:28 | |
| If we already understand. | 01:51:33 | |
| That you feel. | 01:51:36 | |
| There's disagreement. | 01:51:37 | |
| We recognize it. We understand. | 01:51:39 | |
| You feel that there's a story going on that. | 01:51:41 | |
| You're not having representation. So if you want representation like. | 01:51:45 | |
| When when we meet. | 01:51:50 | |
| And there are key differences. | 01:51:51 | |
| And we bring in a few witnesses and immediately they recognize what he is saying isn't true. | 01:51:54 | |
| It's awesome to have somebody there. | 01:52:02 | |
| I'm excited to have people come up that were in the meeting. We all just we. | 01:52:05 | |
| A basket for everybody. None of you were in the meeting so. | 01:52:10 | |
| Listen. | 01:52:12 | |
| I don't believe that. | 01:52:13 | |
| This is important to continue to rehash because we underst. | 01:52:14 | |
| There fighting for no then that. | 01:52:20 | |
| Fighting. Hey, can we have somebody there? Nobody's fighting. Nobody but you. Nobody else is fighting. | 01:52:23 | |
| Then I guess your recommendation. | 01:52:29 | |
| No, nobody has said it, but we are understanding that you're asking. | 01:52:34 | |
| Please stop. You've been asked to stop. You've been asked to stop talking about this because it's irrelevant. No, you are | 01:52:40 | |
| interrupting. | 01:52:43 | |
| You are not allowing us to discuss as a Council. | 01:52:47 | |
| You are not allowing us to form a committee or even understand the things that you want to contribute. | 01:52:50 | |
| All you have to say is you want additional representation. No, no, that's not what I want either. | 01:52:55 | |
| What do you want in America nobody is talking about? | 01:52:59 | |
| Representation, not representation. | 01:53:03 | |
| Person to be a witness, that's what you would like. So when we go through and there's misunderstanding, somebody can be there. | 01:53:06 | |
| That is a trusted advisor that goes and says hey. | 01:53:13 | |
| Eric said. | 01:53:16 | |
| This and you can go over and say. | 01:53:17 | |
| Did that or did that not happen? And it's been time and time again. | 01:53:19 | |
| That it's we caught this OK and guess what? Sometimes he will catch me on me. Mr. | 01:53:23 | |
| We all misspeak. | 01:53:28 | |
| OK. So Council, I think what's on the table is that Eric offered that those meetings could be recorded. | 01:53:30 | |
| And Jake is offering that he would like somebody from the outside that he trusts. | 01:53:36 | |
| Within those meetings, if he's part of the Finance Committee. | 01:53:41 | |
| That doesn't need to be a Finance Committee. There does not need to be. | 01:53:45 | |
| And I don't know if Jamie didn't understand that. I just talked about how. | 01:53:48 | |
| There were multiple instances. | 01:53:52 | |
| Where things happened and it was like. | 01:53:54 | |
| I'm glad you were there. | 01:53:57 | |
| And I'm glad my integrity is not being questioned. | 01:53:59 | |
| I'm glad that that did occur. | 01:54:02 | |
| And that we don't put ourselves into open liability. I'm going to turn comments over to another council person. You often talk | 01:54:04 | |
| about the spirit of things, right? | 01:54:08 | |
| I think that. | 01:54:13 | |
| Failing to have a good spirit about this because. | 01:54:15 | |
| It seems like the issue is is that you're going into these meetings. | 01:54:18 | |
| With a deep. | 01:54:23 | |
| Distrust of the person that's giving you the information. | 01:54:24 | |
| And so you want someone there to be a witness of when? | 01:54:28 | |
| He quote, UN quote. I don't want it to continue. Hold on. I'm not going to have it back and forth. Marty's going to speak and then | 01:54:32 | |
| I'm going to give other council opportunities. | 01:54:35 | |
| To speak. | 01:54:39 | |
| So, so frankly. | 01:54:40 | |
| I. | 01:54:42 | |
| I respect. | 01:54:45 | |
| The position of a city manager and a council member needing to be able to work together. | 01:54:46 | |
| And I have no problem going into a meeting and working with Eric. | 01:54:51 | |
| And if Eric saying? | 01:54:55 | |
| Listen, Jake, when you bring extra. | 01:54:57 | |
| People to these meetings is just becoming like. | 01:54:59 | |
| A witch trial of sorts? Or you're just trying to catch me in lies. Then he is saying that the spirit of these meetings aren't | 01:55:02 | |
| working. | 01:55:06 | |
| So if it was just like you wanted to bring in. | 01:55:10 | |
| I don't know it. | 01:55:13 | |
| Someone with you every time. | 01:55:14 | |
| I think maybe the spirit of it if it were different. | 01:55:16 | |
| Then you wouldn't be having so much. | 01:55:19 | |
| Pushback, but because the way the meetings are being functioned. | 01:55:21 | |
| And that it seems like an I gotcha moment every time. | 01:55:24 | |
| I think he's realizing that they're not productive. | 01:55:27 | |
| I would say as my comment this is in the back and forth, other council get to take their turns and then you can comment. | 01:55:30 | |
| So I would say that what I recognize in this conversation and why we're talking about a Finance Committee. | 01:55:35 | |
| Is that in the last conversation? | 01:55:41 | |
| Council member Foldaway brought forward a committee that he said had been deputized picked. | 01:55:44 | |
| And brought in to discuss and go line by line through itemization of the budget and that they were making these recommendations | 01:55:49 | |
| and that they were all designated to a certain area. | 01:55:54 | |
| And we said as a. | 01:55:59 | |
| This wasn't done by the council, This isn't representative of the people, and so we have to formalize the committee if we're going | 01:56:00 | |
| to do something like that. | 01:56:04 | |
| And the way that we would formalize it. | 01:56:08 | |
| As Jamie's discussing, any committee like this is that. | 01:56:10 | |
| Our process would be to work with our executives that we pay a lot of money to. | 01:56:14 | |
| Go with our representatives. If we wanted to bring in another person, that is something that we could talk about. | 01:56:18 | |
| And I think that's why we're here in this discussion tonight, because I think the conflicts occurring is that. | 01:56:23 | |
| Jake's bringing people, not for a meeting, to learn more and have somebody. | 01:56:29 | |
| There to witness what's occurring because Eric offered a recording. But I think rather there's a committee that was formed to | 01:56:33 | |
| present and perform a job and a duty. | 01:56:38 | |
| And we either have to acknowledge it as a council and formalize it. | 01:56:43 | |
| Or we have to not spend our staff time on it. | 01:56:46 | |
| And spend our staff time on other things that we're putting our resources to. And I think that's what's on the discussion on the | 01:56:49 | |
| table tonight. | 01:56:52 | |
| So, Jimmy. | 01:56:56 | |
| Amber, I'll take a second just to say this because I don't want a mayor or anyone being blamed for you not being able to meet with | 01:57:01 | |
| people. | 01:57:04 | |
| I told you when we met one time. | 01:57:08 | |
| I would not talk to you outside of. | 01:57:10 | |
| Public meetings. | 01:57:12 | |
| Because you will not work in good faith with me. | 01:57:13 | |
| And you will not work in good faith with Eric. | 01:57:16 | |
| I don't know how the other council people feel, but I just want to make sure you understand. | 01:57:18 | |
| This is not some tyrannical mayor. | 01:57:23 | |
| Or city manager. | 01:57:25 | |
| Controlling everything. | 01:57:27 | |
| Sarah, did you have a? | 01:57:29 | |
| Honestly, that's been my experience too. | 01:57:31 | |
| I've invited people mostly because I don't understand. | 01:57:34 | |
| Government Finance. | 01:57:37 | |
| And every time I've asked. | 01:57:39 | |
| Them to meet with me. | 01:57:41 | |
| They've answered all my questions. | 01:57:42 | |
| But I feel like the difference is, Jake, is you going to these meetings to find things to accuse? | 01:57:44 | |
| Not to question. | 01:57:49 | |
| Not to gain understanding. | 01:57:51 | |
| But but to accuse and to find fault, and to find anywhere you can where you can go? | 01:57:53 | |
| Say what you're going to say. I have a whole different experience. | 01:57:59 | |
| Than you do and I've been working with them for. | 01:58:02 | |
| For the same amount of time. | 01:58:05 | |
| And so I think it might be what Marty said, Your energy going into the room is more about revenge. | 01:58:07 | |
| Then about, then about learning, and about. | 01:58:12 | |
| Figuring out where things are good. | 01:58:15 | |
| Where things are happening correctly in the city? | 01:58:17 | |
| And even Kim. | 01:58:20 | |
| Herself. | 01:58:21 | |
| She said I went, she went through. | 01:58:22 | |
| With me and Christie line by line. | 01:58:24 | |
| And she said Christie is so conservative, she's so careful on the budget. | 01:58:26 | |
| That we were both completely satisfied with what was happening. | 01:58:31 | |
| And what we were seeing in the city. But we never hear that response from you. We never hear that acknowledgement. | 01:58:34 | |
| About how hard people are working and what a great job they're doing. | 01:58:39 | |
| And that's really frustrating. | 01:58:42 | |
| Well, I don't want it to be a negative thing. | 01:58:44 | |
| I mean, obviously I think I play a different role in playing the desert. | 01:58:48 | |
| Devil's advocate, and it's not to be. | 01:58:52 | |
| Personal or anything like that? | 01:58:55 | |
| But I will tell you the integrity of those that were. | 01:58:57 | |
| In our group. | 01:59:00 | |
| They did not come with a got to. | 01:59:02 | |
| No one said it was them. | 01:59:06 | |
| We're saying it's you. | 01:59:07 | |
| I didn't talk in. | 01:59:09 | |
| Both meetings. | 01:59:10 | |
| I didn't talk. | 01:59:14 | |
| I think what would be helpful because this is a work session. | 01:59:16 | |
| But I just want to be clear, because if that's what you're hearing, that's what scares me, is the second meeting. | 01:59:19 | |
| There was the most contentious. | 01:59:24 | |
| I was told not to talk and I got a candy bar at the end. | 01:59:26 | |
| For not talking. | 01:59:29 | |
| And so when I leave, I go. | 01:59:31 | |
| Why is Marty Sifuentes and Sarah? | 01:59:33 | |
| Hearing that, I'm contentious. | 01:59:36 | |
| This bothers me about the spin. | 01:59:38 | |
| You're this way in every meeting, but this isn't a bad time. | 01:59:42 | |
| Act this way every time for you to. | 01:59:46 | |
| To get to the heart of what you really need here, Jake. | 01:59:50 | |
| It seems like you're not talking about a Finance Committee, you're talking about me. Hold on, hold on. It seems like you're | 01:59:53 | |
| talking about meeting with people. | 01:59:58 | |
| I think you need to recognize that if you're wanting to meet with your Finance Committee. | 02:00:03 | |
| That you put together. | 02:00:08 | |
| We have to have a different discussion and that you have to understand that resources of the time of the city. | 02:00:09 | |
| Have to be designated in a certain fashion. | 02:00:14 | |
| If you would like to formalize and work on a policy to put. | 02:00:17 | |
| Committee, Finance Committee together. | 02:00:21 | |
| That's a different discussion. | 02:00:23 | |
| I think we can recognize that. | 02:00:25 | |
| You now understand the resources and ability that Eric has. I think the. | 02:00:28 | |
| Rest of the Council feels comfortable with that. | 02:00:32 | |
| I think as far as the Finance Committee goes, we're open to this. | 02:00:34 | |
| A discussion of policy. I'm feeling the council is open to that and we already have something like that, but we can formalize it. | 02:00:37 | |
| Because it's a work session, I'm going to let you guys submit. | 02:00:44 | |
| More of your ideas. | 02:00:47 | |
| Umm, for an agenda item for business, for either policy and then I'm going to. | 02:00:48 | |
| Let this go back. | 02:00:55 | |
| To a discussion about resources and legal. | 02:00:56 | |
| Outside of this discussion because I think it's been understood here, so I'm going to closeout of this. | 02:00:59 | |
| Item and we're going to move into public comments. | 02:01:04 | |
| Is there anybody in the audience that would like to speak? | 02:01:07 | |
| To this. | 02:01:10 | |
| Council. | 02:01:13 | |
| State your name where you're from. | 02:01:16 | |
| And we're going to put 2 minutes on. Can you raise your hand if you want to speak so I know how much time I have? | 02:01:18 | |
| You guys have kept me here online. I've got some things to say. | 02:01:23 | |
| Can you raise your hand if you want to? | 02:01:28 | |
| Speak tonight so I can know how much time we have. | 02:01:29 | |
| OK, I've got two people, all right. | 02:01:34 | |
| Three people. | 02:01:36 | |
| OK, umm. | 02:01:37 | |
| Karen Cornelius, Vineyard resident. | 02:01:39 | |
| I take. | 02:01:42 | |
| Offense to a lot of what has just taken place. | 02:01:44 | |
| I have been in these meetings. | 02:01:47 | |
| And I have. | 02:01:49 | |
| Heard Jake. | 02:01:51 | |
| By Eric Now I recognize that there's a history that Jake and Eric have. | 02:01:54 | |
| That Marty and Eric don't have. | 02:02:00 | |
| Sarah and Eric don't have. | 02:02:02 | |
| Amber and Eric don't have. | 02:02:05 | |
| I think you're aware of it, Julie. | 02:02:08 | |
| But I hear. | 02:02:11 | |
| Being accused of. | 02:02:13 | |
| Spreading this information. | 02:02:16 | |
| When the reality was when I. | 02:02:19 | |
| Checked it further the following day. | 02:02:21 | |
| The information that Eric gave us was totally inaccurate. | 02:02:24 | |
| Totally inaccurate about. | 02:02:28 | |
| And RDA payments. | 02:02:31 | |
| Jake didn't even mention it except. | 02:02:33 | |
| After it was brought up by someone else. | 02:02:36 | |
| And that was Sean Herring. And Sean kind of knows arguing. | 02:02:40 | |
| But nobody accused him in that meeting. | 02:02:44 | |
| Of speaking falsely. | 02:02:48 | |
| But in a conversation I had the following day with another Councilwoman. | 02:02:50 | |
| She was with me. | 02:02:55 | |
| A completely different scenario. | 02:02:58 | |
| And she said that is what has taken place. | 02:03:01 | |
| So I really take offense with him going in and being the bad guy. | 02:03:04 | |
| I think we have to understand if he goes in. | 02:03:09 | |
| Without anyone else. | 02:03:12 | |
| It's not going to be the same as Marty going in. | 02:03:13 | |
| Or as Sarah going in. | 02:03:16 | |
| Because there's a history there, and I don't think either one of them trust each other. | 02:03:18 | |
| And that is a sad scenario. | 02:03:22 | |
| And I think that Jake. | 02:03:25 | |
| Needs people. | 02:03:27 | |
| With him. | 02:03:28 | |
| And if anybody wants to know what the situation is, I'm speaking. | 02:03:30 | |
| Is the forge. | 02:03:33 | |
| And it is the RDA. | 02:03:35 | |
| Having been. | 02:03:37 | |
| Having reimbursed. | 02:03:39 | |
| The Forge developers. That is exactly what Marty told me. | 02:03:40 | |
| The following day I didn't ask you about it. | 02:03:44 | |
| The forge. We were talking about the forge. | 02:03:47 | |
| At the open house. | 02:03:50 | |
| We were talking at the. | 02:03:52 | |
| See, I needed a witness. | 02:03:55 | |
| I need a. | 02:03:58 | |
| We're not going to have it back and forth. | 02:03:58 | |
| Thank you for your comment. Is there anything else? | 02:04:00 | |
| OK, go ahead. | 02:04:03 | |
| We had also in a meeting with Eric. | 02:04:04 | |
| As we were discussing some of the ways that we might fortify the budget, the city budget we recognize. | 02:04:07 | |
| That the. | 02:04:14 | |
| The tax increase is taking place. | 02:04:17 | |
| And we are excited that we're going to have the safety. | 02:04:19 | |
| The safety avenues here in this city. | 02:04:23 | |
| But we brought up. | 02:04:26 | |
| That we would like to see. | 02:04:28 | |
| The $3,000,000 that has been set aside. | 02:04:31 | |
| For a City Hall that is not currently needed. | 02:04:35 | |
| We would like to see that many go to the fire station. | 02:04:38 | |
| That many. | 02:04:42 | |
| Then we have set aside for the fire station could be a surplus in our budget. | 02:04:43 | |
| That could help us. | 02:04:48 | |
| And this was a discussion we had and he. | 02:04:50 | |
| Give some story about. | 02:04:53 | |
| RDA money has to go for. | 02:04:55 | |
| In ground. | 02:04:58 | |
| Infrastructure for roads, for lighting. | 02:04:59 | |
| And the question came up. | 02:05:03 | |
| How is? How is the fire station any different? | 02:05:05 | |
| Than the City Hall. They're both vertical. | 02:05:09 | |
| He said he would have to get back to us and that he would bring it up. | 02:05:12 | |
| I don't think any of you have heard that. | 02:05:16 | |
| But so I think. | 02:05:19 | |
| He is running his agenda too, and I think that it's very wrong. | 02:05:21 | |
| I'm sorry he's not here because I would be saying the same things. | 02:05:26 | |
| But it's very wrong to put the blame on one. | 02:05:29 | |
| And I think that would be in the best interest of. | 02:05:32 | |
| Everyone on this council. | 02:05:35 | |
| If they allowed him to have a scribe and another person with him at each of these meetings. | 02:05:37 | |
| Because we are at an impasse there and I think. | 02:05:42 | |
| I think we need to respect. | 02:05:46 | |
| That and I think that is very. | 02:05:48 | |
| Amber, I'm so tired of you shaking your hand. I'm sorry. | 02:05:50 | |
| But I think that it's really important to. | 02:05:54 | |
| That we don't malign. | 02:05:57 | |
| His character. | 02:05:59 | |
| And none of you understand. | 02:06:01 | |
| Because you don't have the history. | 02:06:03 | |
| With Eric. | 02:06:05 | |
| That Jake and Eric have, and I think that's very unfair. | 02:06:08 | |
| That we're trying and I'm not trying to be in. | 02:06:12 | |
| I'm not trying to be a troublemaker. | 02:06:14 | |
| I am not trying to do anything like that. | 02:06:17 | |
| I'm a mother of five and a grandmother of 18. | 02:06:19 | |
| And I know. | 02:06:22 | |
| Sometimes when you're not in the room, you're not going to get the whole story. | 02:06:23 | |
| When they're coming out telling on one another. | 02:06:28 | |
| I think that that is human nature. | 02:06:32 | |
| And I think we're in an interesting position here because of the history. | 02:06:34 | |
| That this small little town has. | 02:06:39 | |
| And we need to respect one another. And that's one of the ways that I think we can show respect is by allowing. | 02:06:42 | |
| Him, Jake and Eric to have meetings where there is someone else in. | 02:06:48 | |
| President at the time. | 02:06:53 | |
| And one more thing. | 02:06:55 | |
| I was really. | 02:06:57 | |
| Taken aback tonight. | 02:06:58 | |
| When it was not on the agenda. | 02:07:00 | |
| But. | 02:07:02 | |
| Our lobbyists were brought up to speak. | 02:07:02 | |
| However, they weren't called lobbyists, they were called legislative. | 02:07:05 | |
| Legislative consultants. | 02:07:10 | |
| Nowhere on the budget. | 02:07:13 | |
| Do I see legislative consultants? So let's call them what they are. They are our lobbyists, and that's the way they show up in our | 02:07:14 | |
| budget. | 02:07:18 | |
| If it's the same. | 02:07:26 | |
| Russ Levinson, resident of the Villas, were happy to live there. Phil. | 02:07:38 | |
| Let's live there. This is a first. I don't think my wife's talking tonight. | 02:07:42 | |
| And she doesn't have laryngitis or anything like that. | 02:07:46 | |
| But uh. | 02:07:49 | |
| This hasn't been very fun. | 02:07:50 | |
| And hopefully good comes out of it, I really do. | 02:07:52 | |
| I know sometimes there needs to be some storming and so on. | 02:07:55 | |
| But we do need to move forward. | 02:08:00 | |
| Again said last time, we're all on the same team. | 02:08:02 | |
| But. | 02:08:06 | |
| I'm not gonna talk about something a little bit different to that. | 02:08:07 | |
| Also, I think it's wrong too that we have to wait 195 minutes before the public comments. | 02:08:10 | |
| I'm not sure why the closed session had to be wholeheld when it did. | 02:08:15 | |
| Why it's not held at the end like it has been before? | 02:08:18 | |
| Maybe there's a reason for it? | 02:08:21 | |
| But waiting over 3 hours for it to be able to make public public comments. | 02:08:24 | |
| Isn't right. | 02:08:29 | |
| At least isn't good, I'll say that. | 02:08:30 | |
| But my wife and I attended the Planning Commission last week. | 02:08:33 | |
| And they talked about the grocery store. | 02:08:37 | |
| And a couple of things troubled me. | 02:08:39 | |
| One is that. | 02:08:42 | |
| We found out that the owners owners of the grocery store is Flagboro. | 02:08:42 | |
| We were told Bellas. | 02:08:48 | |
| And leaves. Leaves is managing it. | 02:08:50 | |
| And to me. | 02:08:53 | |
| I don't know. | 02:08:55 | |
| Just doesn't sit right with me. | 02:08:56 | |
| That would seem like we should would. | 02:08:58 | |
| We thought. | 02:09:00 | |
| I'm not sure if these people on the Council even knew that. | 02:09:01 | |
| That black borough is the owner of the grocery store. | 02:09:04 | |
| And that, that bothers me because they just, uh. | 02:09:08 | |
| Just seem like they got their hand in everything and they're controlling everything over there. | 02:09:14 | |
| There, and my wife and I wrote a letter a long time ago that well. | 02:09:18 | |
| Last year of it to the council and mayor that. | 02:09:22 | |
| Said this looks like the. | 02:09:25 | |
| Flagborough is controlling everything and. | 02:09:27 | |
| And we're subservient to them. | 02:09:29 | |
| But does that troubled me? You know, nothing troubled me about the grocery store is the design. | 02:09:31 | |
| They want the when the trucks come to deliver. | 02:09:35 | |
| They have to block a public Rd. | 02:09:38 | |
| To back in. | 02:09:40 | |
| And poor design. | 02:09:42 | |
| And you know, people said, well, we'll be coming. | 02:09:44 | |
| In the wee hours of the morning. | 02:09:46 | |
| You can't assume that. | 02:09:48 | |
| They come all times of the day. | 02:09:49 | |
| And then they say, well, it's not a very busy road or whatever, but that bothers me too, that. | 02:09:51 | |
| They have to discuss. | 02:09:57 | |
| Put every little square inch in there for their benefit. | 02:09:58 | |
| To make their dollar. | 02:10:01 | |
| Instead of making it a better place. | 02:10:03 | |
| For the for the people of Vineyard. | 02:10:04 | |
| And I just wanted to express those comments. | 02:10:06 | |
| Thank you very much. | 02:10:10 | |
| Thanks. | 02:10:12 | |
| All right, I'm Justin Hammer. I live in the Solstice neighborhood. | 02:10:15 | |
| I sent an e-mail to everybody and just want to. | 02:10:18 | |
| Put a face to the words. Bit of a tonal shift I think, but. | 02:10:20 | |
| Just wanna I noticed in the. | 02:10:25 | |
| The papers that I got there. | 02:10:26 | |
| Public comments are supposed to be for non agenda items. So just a couple other things for my e-mail that I. | 02:10:28 | |
| I sent you about public safety stuff. | 02:10:34 | |
| I talked to the mayor. | 02:10:38 | |
| A couple times over the last couple years about. | 02:10:39 | |
| Off these dogs, let's just continue continual thing that I see when I'm out running. | 02:10:42 | |
| It's always it's probably a weekly occurrence where I have a dog that comes after me. Thankfully nothing bad has happened so far. | 02:10:47 | |
| And then in addition to that, just another. | 02:10:54 | |
| Point for my e-mail I wanted to reiterate about. | 02:10:57 | |
| Our safety in general, I think that. | 02:11:00 | |
| There's a number of streets where I especially recognize that. | 02:11:03 | |
| Need extra attention when I'm out. | 02:11:07 | |
| Anytime somebody's turning on the Main Street feels like they're not looking both ways left and right for pedestrians, and I know | 02:11:09 | |
| that that. | 02:11:13 | |
| One of our. | 02:11:16 | |
| Paths goes right along there as well. So I think both. | 02:11:17 | |
| But yeah, we've already talked about. | 02:11:20 | |
| The golf carts and everything and obviously. | 02:11:23 | |
| And that was in my e-mail too. But um. | 02:11:26 | |
| Yeah, so. | 02:11:28 | |
| I think if there's anything I can do to continue to facilitate the conversation, I'm happy to do that. I will continue to be | 02:11:31 | |
| recording my runs as well. I don't know if I need to. | 02:11:35 | |
| Keep sending updates or whatever but umm. | 02:11:40 | |
| Yeah, open to the conversation, so. | 02:11:43 | |
| Thanks. Thank you. | 02:11:45 | |
| All right, we'll go ahead and move. | 02:11:48 | |
| Onto our consent agenda. | 02:11:51 | |
| Can I get a motion? | 02:11:54 | |
| I move to approve the consent items as presented. | 02:12:02 | |
| Thank you, our first minority. Can I get a second? | 02:12:05 | |
| Second. Second by Sarah. All in favor. | 02:12:09 | |
| All right, we'll move on to our business items public hearing for zoning text amendment Section 151250. | 02:12:13 | |
| In 1532 to 20. | 02:12:19 | |
| We'll go into the public hearing and then we will. | 02:12:23 | |
| Have this discussion, Morgan, will you be talking about this? | 02:12:27 | |
| Yes, OK. | 02:12:32 | |
| Can I get a motion to go into a public hearing? | 02:12:33 | |
| So moved. Thank you, Marty. Can I get a second? | 02:12:36 | |
| 2nd Thank you, Sarah. | 02:12:40 | |
| All in favor. | 02:12:41 | |
| All right. | 02:12:43 | |
| Go ahead, Morgan. OK, great. I'm gonna pull the map really quick to show you the. | 02:12:44 | |
| Part of the city that would be affected by this change. | 02:12:49 | |
| OK, Thank you, Mayor and members of the council wanted to. | 02:13:26 | |
| Show you really quickly that this change effects. | 02:13:30 | |
| The FOI district. | 02:13:34 | |
| This is from Enigma 3. | 02:13:36 | |
| They're a studio. | 02:13:38 | |
| On the Northside of the city. | 02:13:41 | |
| Located off the 1600 N. | 02:13:43 | |
| They provide studio space. | 02:13:46 | |
| For filming. | 02:13:48 | |
| And they are requesting. | 02:13:50 | |
| A text amendment to the FOI district to allow for. | 02:13:52 | |
| Events and specifically Event centers. | 02:13:57 | |
| To operate as conditional use permit. | 02:14:02 | |
| The Planning Commission did review this change. | 02:14:05 | |
| Recommended approval to the. | 02:14:08 | |
| To the City Council. | 02:14:11 | |
| With the amendment that a definition presents center be added. | 02:14:12 | |
| Umm, this right here shows. | 02:14:18 | |
| The table. | 02:14:24 | |
| So this is just the kind of a cross section of the table event centers being added. | 02:14:25 | |
| Conditional use being put into the FOI. | 02:14:29 | |
| There are other districts throughout the city where we can. | 02:14:32 | |
| Probably have event centers as well. We are doing a larger. | 02:14:35 | |
| Kind of bulk amendment. | 02:14:39 | |
| To our zoning code. | 02:14:40 | |
| But that so potentially we could fit that into like the retail districts. There's there's some other areas that we think it would | 02:14:42 | |
| be really beneficial. | 02:14:46 | |
| Overall, we found that the proposal. | 02:14:50 | |
| Would be a very +1 who would bring people from outside the city into the city. So from an economic development standpoint, that | 02:14:53 | |
| would be really helpful. | 02:14:56 | |
| Additionally, the conditional use permit process would allow the Planning Commission to impose conditions to mitigate any | 02:15:01 | |
| potential impacts, you know, to safety to the public or to impact the surrounding neighbors. | 02:15:07 | |
| Some of those impacts that we kind of looked at in the FOI district could be. | 02:15:13 | |
| The you know, mixing of, you know, visitor. | 02:15:18 | |
| Parking and traffic with that of trucks and deliveries. | 02:15:22 | |
| And so the conditional use permit process would allow for the Planning Commission to control some of the hours of operation, | 02:15:26 | |
| ensure that there's. | 02:15:30 | |
| Traffic. Umm. | 02:15:34 | |
| And control on site. | 02:15:35 | |
| That parking areas are well lit, typically in the industrial districts. | 02:15:38 | |
| You know, there there are some parking lots a little bit darker. This would affect the whole FOI, but we do know that they would | 02:15:42 | |
| propose. | 02:15:46 | |
| Having an Event Center. | 02:15:49 | |
| Or more more regularly scheduled events that would fall under the Event Center use on their property. | 02:15:51 | |
| And so. | 02:15:58 | |
| With that staff is also. | 02:16:00 | |
| Recommending approval and standard for any questions. | 02:16:01 | |
| OK, are there any questions from the Council? | 02:16:05 | |
| Oh, actually, I'll put it to the public. Any questions for the public? | 02:16:07 | |
| A lot of time. | 02:16:13 | |
| OK, let's go ahead and go out of a public hearing. | 02:16:15 | |
| Thank you, Amber. Can I get a second, second? | 02:16:19 | |
| Second by Marty, all in favor. | 02:16:21 | |
| Aye. | 02:16:23 | |
| OK, Council questions. | 02:16:25 | |
| We should have a map again. | 02:16:28 | |
| I didn't see the map. | 02:16:30 | |
| While you're doing. | 02:16:33 | |
| If you're really nice. | 02:16:35 | |
| So the the FOI district is the district that covers. | 02:16:37 | |
| A large portion of the north eastern part of the city. | 02:16:41 | |
| FY stands for flex office Industrial. So that's where we do have a lot of flex office. | 02:16:45 | |
| Typically warehouses with like a retail frontage or an office frontage. | 02:16:49 | |
| So that's kind of the primary billing form that you see up there. | 02:16:53 | |
| The applicant is intending to do more regular events, if you remember. | 02:16:58 | |
| I think it was a few months ago the there was a one off approval. | 02:17:04 | |
| For a furniture so this would allow them to dysfunction as. | 02:17:07 | |
| A regular business who would provide them another revenue source. | 02:17:11 | |
| And we feel it would be very positive. | 02:17:16 | |
| OK. Any additional questions? Otherwise I need a motion. | 02:17:18 | |
| I support it. | 02:17:24 | |
| OK, is that all? The first by Jake? Can I get a second? | 02:17:25 | |
| Second Second by Sarah. | 02:17:29 | |
| Algebra call. Does this go through the whole property? | 02:17:31 | |
| So anyone in the FOIA area cannot do this. | 02:17:34 | |
| Yeah. So what they would be allowed to do is to apply for conditional use permit. | 02:17:37 | |
| Then they would go to the Planning Commission, OK. | 02:17:41 | |
| And so the Planning Commission could right size it depending on where it goes and the. | 02:17:44 | |
| And I met with them. It makes sense and we need to be flexible for businesses in that area to. | 02:17:49 | |
| Stay in business when business models change. | 02:17:53 | |
| And shift, yeah, this is also a use that would be positive for other businesses and provide a place for other businesses to hold | 02:17:56 | |
| events. And they said that's their primary function. I think that then had a large event there. | 02:18:01 | |
| This would be good for our business community as well. | 02:18:06 | |
| Any further discussion? | 02:18:09 | |
| OK, Shake. | 02:18:12 | |
| Aye, Amber. | 02:18:13 | |
| Hi. Hi, Marty. Yeah, it's Sarah. | 02:18:14 | |
| Yes. All right. We'll go into our second public hearing. This is the consolidated fee schedule amendment Resolution 2020. | 02:18:17 | |
| Or 2025. | 02:18:23 | |
| Our utility billing clerk, Maria will come and present. | 02:18:25 | |
| I need a motion to go into a public hearing. | 02:18:29 | |
| So moved. Thank you, Marty. Can I get a second? | 02:18:31 | |
| Second. Second by Sarah. All in favor. | 02:18:33 | |
| All right, we're now in a public hearing. | 02:18:36 | |
| Hi so I submitted this and I wanted to just. | 02:18:37 | |
| Give you guys an update that I did change them today. | 02:18:41 | |
| This week we got clarification on this morning that I needed to do. | 02:18:44 | |
| So the ones that we changed as of today that you might have not seen are going to be. | 02:18:47 | |
| The fire hydrant needle. | 02:18:52 | |
| Meter, we're going to do a residential daily rental fee that's going to be for people that are renting it out. | 02:18:53 | |
| To like fill up their pools. | 02:19:00 | |
| So instead of charging them. | 02:19:02 | |
| The commercial price, we're going to do $10 a day plus. | 02:19:04 | |
| The residential fee. | 02:19:07 | |
| For water usage. | 02:19:08 | |
| For fire hydrant meters for the commercial use. | 02:19:12 | |
| We've changed it to now say that they will be paying. | 02:19:15 | |
| The base rate for a three inch meter every month. | 02:19:19 | |
| And then after those, that will be for the initial 5000 gallons. After that they'll go to the tiered rate. | 02:19:21 | |
| On the commercial usage, will you bring up any other changes for the public? | 02:19:27 | |
| If you want me to, yeah. | 02:19:31 | |
| Oh yeah. Do we have it that we could pull it up? | 02:19:36 | |
| If not, you can read them. | 02:19:38 | |
| If it's in the staff report, yeah, give me a second. | 02:19:40 | |
| Next one. | 02:20:18 | |
| Excellent, that one. | 02:20:18 | |
| I'm assuming they're red lines, so we can probably, yeah, the red line so #5 is the first one. | 02:20:22 | |
| At the bottom so. | 02:20:30 | |
| Non vineyard resident business. | 02:20:32 | |
| So this is for. | 02:20:34 | |
| Water rates if. | 02:20:36 | |
| They are outside of the city. | 02:20:38 | |
| So this has got to be kind of towards Linden Marina since we service them. | 02:20:39 | |
| Since they are not Vineyard, residents are not in Vineyard, we would charge them double the rate. | 02:20:43 | |
| So that's just adding that in there. | 02:20:48 | |
| Next one. | 02:20:50 | |
| Is collection. So as of now we do not have a collections policy in place. That's something that I've been working on for the last | 02:20:52 | |
| year. | 02:20:55 | |
| And we have kind of finalized it to where we're going. We're going with 1. So we're just adding it into the fee schedule. | 02:20:59 | |
| This will be for. | 02:21:06 | |
| Any unpaid utility bills, fees, or civil penalties that are not paid. | 02:21:07 | |
| Then we'll just go into collections after. | 02:21:11 | |
| 30 days past the due date. | 02:21:14 | |
| OK. And then? | 02:21:16 | |
| Eric kind of brought it up. | 02:21:19 | |
| Wait, yeah. | 02:21:20 | |
| So collections like. | 02:21:23 | |
| Outside of the city where we send it out. | 02:21:25 | |
| So 'cause. | 02:21:29 | |
| How it's worked as of now is. | 02:21:30 | |
| We've never, we haven't had a collection agency in years. There's. | 02:21:33 | |
| Been discussions that there's been one in the past but we haven't used one. | 02:21:36 | |
| Since a lot of people have known. | 02:21:40 | |
| But that's very standard for every city to have. | 02:21:42 | |
| Well, I mean like. | 02:21:44 | |
| When I get a bill sent to collections, I feel like my life has ended. | 02:21:46 | |
| Because I care about my credit score. | 02:21:50 | |
| So usually this is going to be. | 02:21:52 | |
| For the most part, the unpaid utility bills are for people who have moved out of the city and we can't get contact with. | 02:21:54 | |
| Would we want to say something like 60 years? I just feel like 30 days is. | 02:21:59 | |
| That would be something we'd have to change in the in the code. So in the code right now it states 30 days, so that's why I put | 02:22:03 | |
| that on there. | 02:22:06 | |
| That could be something that we could look into most what cities do and I've contacted. | 02:22:10 | |
| Every city in Utah County. | 02:22:15 | |
| Is they all? | 02:22:17 | |
| Typically do 30 days. | 02:22:19 | |
| So, umm. | 02:22:20 | |
| And they kind of have some lenience. | 02:22:21 | |
| What they do is they'll send out a. | 02:22:23 | |
| Initial letter that says. | 02:22:25 | |
| Hey, here's. | 02:22:27 | |
| Your notice You owe this past due balance. | 02:22:28 | |
| They'll send a warning saying hey now you're going to go to collections if you don't pay within this time frame. | 02:22:31 | |
| At that point goes to collections. | 02:22:35 | |
| I believe from what I remember there's only. | 02:22:37 | |
| Two to three cities that go past. | 02:22:40 | |
| 30 days and usually they go to 45 days. | 02:22:43 | |
| And that's kind of where they give their cut off. | 02:22:46 | |
| For the most part, how we've been is very lenient. | 02:22:48 | |
| And even then, we. | 02:22:50 | |
| Typically would probably be a lot more lenient if they're working with us. | 02:22:52 | |
| This is going to be for people who. | 02:22:55 | |
| Haven't yet in contact with us. | 02:22:57 | |
| Have blocked our numbers anything like that where we can't reach out to them. | 02:22:58 | |
| I think it's kind of an aggressive policy. | 02:23:04 | |
| I mean, we can focus on this later, I guess. Yeah, we can. We can look at changing in the code if you want to change it to an | 02:23:07 | |
| additional phase as of now, because it's in the code. That's why I put 30 days. | 02:23:11 | |
| I just worry. | 02:23:16 | |
| For people that might not check their, it sounds like this. | 02:23:17 | |
| What you're doing is great. I just think that that's so this isn't for like people. | 02:23:21 | |
| Typically who are in the city? | 02:23:25 | |
| How I usually do it? | 02:23:27 | |
| As I reach out to them multiple times and I usually get a response. This is more for people like I said, who moved out of Vineyard | 02:23:29 | |
| and are no longer residents. | 02:23:32 | |
| So we have. | 02:23:36 | |
| They even offer payment plans and then they put on cycles. So we have about 10 accounts that are closed right now. | 02:23:38 | |
| For people who have not been here and. | 02:23:44 | |
| A couple years and we haven't been able to reach out about. | 02:23:46 | |
| And right now we have. | 02:23:49 | |
| An account balance of $5000 that we haven't been able to collect on. | 02:23:52 | |
| But those accounts would clearly be past 30 days if they haven't lived here, so I'm just saying. | 02:23:55 | |
| As a policy. | 02:24:01 | |
| I still want to read. | 02:24:02 | |
| Yeah. So I can put that down, but yeah. And then. | 02:24:07 | |
| They said for sanitation fees. | 02:24:10 | |
| Eric talked about that, but Republics is raising their fees, so we. | 02:24:13 | |
| Have to also. | 02:24:17 | |
| To kind of keep up with that. | 02:24:18 | |
| Paid 8 That's fun. | 02:24:21 | |
| Food truck vendor. | 02:24:25 | |
| This is for special events. | 02:24:27 | |
| They just didn't have one in place. | 02:24:29 | |
| This is so that they can now have a fee for their license. | 02:24:31 | |
| Personality just changed. | 02:24:36 | |
| The staff per person we decided to just do 1 ring instead of having. | 02:24:37 | |
| Separate rates for individual departments. | 02:24:41 | |
| #9. | 02:24:44 | |
| Illegal trash dumping that wasn't in place before so that we have added a frying up $250 for that. | 02:24:47 | |
| On that one. | 02:24:54 | |
| Maybe there's something we could do at another time, but is there something for? | 02:24:56 | |
| Wetland. | 02:25:00 | |
| Dumping. | 02:25:02 | |
| It seems like maybe that's something I need to talk with Jamie on, but. | 02:25:04 | |
| If there's people dumping in like sunset lands area that we. | 02:25:07 | |
| We may want to. | 02:25:11 | |
| Bump that up a little bit. I mean, we do get that. | 02:25:12 | |
| So yeah, the next time time around. | 02:25:17 | |
| #11. | 02:25:23 | |
| Water sampling. | 02:25:31 | |
| Cost of 10%. | 02:25:33 | |
| And this $300. | 02:25:34 | |
| Fee that's anymore Naseem. | 02:25:36 | |
| The rest of it on there is just kind of adding words that make more sense. Public works is also part. | 02:25:40 | |
| Of that engineering team so. | 02:25:45 | |
| We've added that. | 02:25:47 | |
| Uh, same deal. | 02:25:49 | |
| Go down more. | 02:25:54 | |
| This is all just red line because they've redone the whole page. | 02:25:56 | |
| So the next page will just show all of the new. | 02:25:59 | |
| Feels. | 02:26:02 | |
| And then the last one. | 02:26:14 | |
| What we've talked about most of them. | 02:26:16 | |
| The only other ones that I haven't talked on that page are Unauthorized opening of meter box. | 02:26:19 | |
| And water main flushing, those have been added. | 02:26:24 | |
| OK. Is that it? | 02:26:28 | |
| Any questions from the public? | 02:26:30 | |
| OK, I need to go out of a public hearing. I need a motion. | 02:26:34 | |
| So moved. Thank you, Marty. Can I get a second? | 02:26:40 | |
| Second. Second by Sarah. All in favor, aye. | 02:26:43 | |
| Thank you. Any questions or comments by the Council? | 02:26:47 | |
| I was just hoping Maria would explain. | 02:26:50 | |
| The report a concern. | 02:26:53 | |
| I talked to her today about that. | 02:26:55 | |
| Because I I know I've seen it on the city page. | 02:26:58 | |
| But I didn't, it didn't really register. Will you, will you come back up? | 02:27:01 | |
| And just explain what you. | 02:27:04 | |
| Umm told me today because I think it's really beneficial if we're. | 02:27:07 | |
| In unison. | 02:27:11 | |
| Where we. | 02:27:12 | |
| On social media, if we can just. | 02:27:13 | |
| Direct people back to the report of concern instead of trying to solve it and reach out. | 02:27:16 | |
| I've done that a few times trying to reach out to cash in this game. | 02:27:20 | |
| Where I can just give them to you and then anyway, just tell everything. Yeah, so. | 02:27:24 | |
| A part of my. | 02:27:28 | |
| I'm part time in Utility billing. I'm also part time in Neighborhood Services Coordinator. | 02:27:30 | |
| So that also entails code enforcement for the city. | 02:27:35 | |
| What we've kind of discussed today is kind of our what our plans are. | 02:27:39 | |
| Going forward. | 02:27:43 | |
| One of the biggest things that I've noticed is Enemy and cash have kind of talked about this is on social media we've been | 02:27:44 | |
| getting. | 02:27:47 | |
| A lot of people just saying, hey, the city's not doing anything. | 02:27:50 | |
| And they'll post their concerns to Facebook. | 02:27:53 | |
| And Jenna kind of talked about it earlier. | 02:27:56 | |
| Where people are kind of. | 02:27:58 | |
| Venting their issues or what they're what they're seeing in terms of concerns. | 02:27:59 | |
| But they're not sending it to me through the report of concern. | 02:28:04 | |
| So half the time I'm not getting it. | 02:28:07 | |
| And so I've gotten calls saying, hey, I made this post and nobody's going back to me. | 02:28:10 | |
| And I have to then say, well, that's not the right channel. | 02:28:15 | |
| So, uh. | 02:28:18 | |
| What we've kind of talked about is. | 02:28:19 | |
| If while you guys are on Facebook and you do see these comments where people are saying, hey, there's Wasps here. | 02:28:21 | |
| Hey, there's garbage here that we want to discuss. | 02:28:27 | |
| If you could, then just instead of. | 02:28:29 | |
| Some people have been. | 02:28:32 | |
| Saying, oh, I wish the city would. | 02:28:33 | |
| Get back to you. I hope I'll tell the city to reach back to you. | 02:28:36 | |
| What they should, what I would. | 02:28:39 | |
| Prefer is to say. | 02:28:41 | |
| Here's the Report of concern link. Please make. | 02:28:43 | |
| A report here. | 02:28:46 | |
| And then someone will get back to you. | 02:28:47 | |
| And then that would go to me. | 02:28:49 | |
| And I could look into it and work on it. | 02:28:50 | |
| Perfect. And can you tell me about your news? | 02:28:53 | |
| Your new software. | 02:28:55 | |
| Oh yeah, so we do have. | 02:28:57 | |
| New software that we just got which is Civic Review. | 02:28:59 | |
| That has gotten a lot easier because before what we would do is. | 02:29:03 | |
| It was a spreadsheet. | 02:29:07 | |
| That I would mark. | 02:29:08 | |
| Everybody's information, address, phone number. | 02:29:10 | |
| And then what I had done and contacted. | 02:29:13 | |
| What this new? | 02:29:16 | |
| Software does. | 02:29:17 | |
| Is it will give me the capabilities to? | 02:29:19 | |
| Notify people. | 02:29:22 | |
| What process they're in? | 02:29:23 | |
| So when a concern comes in. | 02:29:24 | |
| I can say. | 02:29:26 | |
| In progress. | 02:29:28 | |
| Investigating a result and then that will send them an e-mail. | 02:29:29 | |
| To let them know where they're at in the process. | 02:29:32 | |
| So they know when I'm working on it, when I've looked at it and what it's done. | 02:29:35 | |
| And uh. | 02:29:39 | |
| During those. | 02:29:40 | |
| Once it's resolved or in the process, I can write a note. | 02:29:41 | |
| And it will also send it with that notification. So if it says resolved it'll say. | 02:29:45 | |
| Dear so and so this is I've looked into this. This is what I've done. | 02:29:49 | |
| Please reach out to me if you have any other questions. | 02:29:53 | |
| And that'll send it with them. | 02:29:55 | |
| And then that will also give me a tracking system. | 02:29:57 | |
| So I can see. | 02:29:59 | |
| What areas? | 02:30:01 | |
| Might be more concerned. | 02:30:02 | |
| Umm. And then like. | 02:30:05 | |
| What areas, what issues are there? So if there's a lot of weeds? | 02:30:08 | |
| A lot of like parking issues, occupancy, anything like that. | 02:30:13 | |
| OK. I love that. Thank you. Yeah. | 02:30:17 | |
| All right, I need a motion. | 02:30:19 | |
| Is that what Marty showed today? | 02:30:24 | |
| I adopt. | 02:30:28 | |
| Resolution 2024-25. Consolidated fee schedule amendments. | 02:30:29 | |
| Presented as presented by. | 02:30:34 | |
| I have a first time already, can I get a second? | 02:30:37 | |
| Second. Second by. | 02:30:39 | |
| I'll do this by roll call Jake. | 02:30:42 | |
| This is 10.3. | 02:30:44 | |
| 10.2. | 02:30:47 | |
| Yes. | 02:30:48 | |
| Amber aye. | 02:30:50 | |
| All right. | 02:30:52 | |
| Yes, all right. | 02:30:54 | |
| That brings us to 10.3 discussing an action adoption of the fiscal year 2024-2025 Budget Resolution 2024-24. | 02:30:56 | |
| And. | 02:31:06 | |
| Chrissy Yes. | 02:31:08 | |
| There will be discussing. | 02:31:09 | |
| Thank you, Mayor. | 02:31:20 | |
| I feel like we've talked. | 02:31:23 | |
| Very much about the budget in the last couple months. | 02:31:25 | |
| I feel like the council is probably very familiar with it, as are many of the residents. | 02:31:28 | |
| I just wanted to mention some of the changes that had happened since 2 weeks ago it was tabled and there have been some | 02:31:34 | |
| housekeeping items that have come up since then. | 02:31:38 | |
| Just some changes in some estimates. | 02:31:42 | |
| As well as some other things that we were trying to. | 02:31:44 | |
| Cut everywhere we could. | 02:31:48 | |
| I just wanted to make the citizens and council members aware of that. | 02:31:50 | |
| In the communications budget. | 02:31:54 | |
| We did cut. | 02:31:56 | |
| 25,000 related to a consultant. | 02:31:58 | |
| In the capital. | 02:32:02 | |
| Projects. Umm. | 02:32:03 | |
| Budget we took out. | 02:32:06 | |
| The modular roundabouts that had been discussed. | 02:32:08 | |
| And we have tabled that. | 02:32:10 | |
| To help. | 02:32:12 | |
| With the fund balance as well. | 02:32:14 | |
| There were some adjustments that were needed related to water use in the parks and the public works maintenance. | 02:32:16 | |
| Those allocations needed to be adjusted and moved to different funds and I was able to take care of that. | 02:32:24 | |
| And roundabout, in the end, we were able to decrease the prior use of fund balance for the general fund with almost $190,000. | 02:32:31 | |
| So at this time I just ask that the Council. | 02:32:40 | |
| Approve the budget for fiscal Year 25. | 02:32:43 | |
| I'm also mentioning that we by law, have to have a budget approved. | 02:32:46 | |
| And uploaded to the state website by the end of this month. So this is kind of an important. | 02:32:50 | |
| Action that we have, that we are coming to. | 02:32:55 | |
| Perfect. Thank you so much. | 02:32:59 | |
| Council can. | 02:33:01 | |
| Would anybody like to make comment? | 02:33:03 | |
| Jake, I'm going to rotate the comments really quick. | 02:33:04 | |
| Sarah. | 02:33:08 | |
| It's come a long way. | 02:33:11 | |
| It's been a lot of work, a lot of input from a lot of different people, and you've managed it very well. Thank you very much. | 02:33:13 | |
| Thank you, Sir. I agree. I appreciate your patience and. | 02:33:20 | |
| Answering all. | 02:33:24 | |
| Of the question. | 02:33:25 | |
| That you did and. | 02:33:27 | |
| And the. | 02:33:28 | |
| The line items that you did, that you broke down for me for miscellaneous and the other things that you did. | 02:33:31 | |
| Made a big difference and I appreciate everything that you've done. | 02:33:36 | |
| Thank you. | 02:33:39 | |
| Jake, what is the total of dollar amount that was cut? | 02:33:41 | |
| Did you add that up? | 02:33:45 | |
| The total decrease in prior year from the previous from two months because you said the roundabout? | 02:33:48 | |
| The roundabout was 405,000 coming from the Capital Projects Fund, so you cut that whole thing out. | 02:33:53 | |
| Yes. And then did you add up all of the cuts from the past two weeks? | 02:33:59 | |
| Just so that it's on the record of what was the total dollar amount? | 02:34:03 | |
| Yes. Umm. | 02:34:06 | |
| Was it? Which fund would you like to like all of the various? | 02:34:07 | |
| I don't have a total by all of them. | 02:34:11 | |
| But they obviously have to balance. | 02:34:13 | |
| Was it a total impact? | 02:34:16 | |
| Like, was there a total impact? | 02:34:18 | |
| On it of all the cuts. | 02:34:19 | |
| Yes, we have the $190,000 additional in the general fund. | 02:34:22 | |
| That we did not have to use prior year fund balance when all was said and done. | 02:34:26 | |
| OK. | 02:34:30 | |
| Thank you. | 02:34:31 | |
| I appreciate. | 02:34:32 | |
| Any cut we can get? | 02:34:33 | |
| I I don't have any. | 02:34:35 | |
| Questions or comments? Besides, thank you for your hard work. | 02:34:38 | |
| I know it's been a rough one. | 02:34:41 | |
| Yeah. Thank you so much and we appreciate you working with us and kind of. | 02:34:44 | |
| Figuring out different ways to still. | 02:34:48 | |
| Make those. | 02:34:50 | |
| Priorities. | 02:34:51 | |
| Priority for our residents. | 02:34:52 | |
| But finding different ways to offset costs and pay for them in different ways. So we really appreciate you've done a marvelous | 02:34:54 | |
| job. | 02:34:57 | |
| All of our staff has, it's been incredible. | 02:35:01 | |
| All right, with that I need a motion. | 02:35:04 | |
| I moved to a. | 02:35:08 | |
| Dot resolution 2024. | 02:35:10 | |
| 2024-20. | 02:35:12 | |
| The Vineyard City fiscal Year 2024 Dash 2025 budget as presented by Hey, I have a first time already, can I get a second? | 02:35:14 | |
| Second, Second by Sarah. I'll do this by roll call. | 02:35:22 | |
| Sarah yes. | 02:35:26 | |
| Marty yay. | 02:35:28 | |
| Yes, Amber. | 02:35:29 | |
| Hi. | 02:35:30 | |
| OK. 10.4 was a public hearing that's being postponed to a later date. So I'm going to go ahead and adjourn this meeting. Thank you | 02:35:32 | |
| for coming. We have reports. | 02:35:37 | |
| Oh, did you have something to report? Yeah, it's my only time I get to talk. | 02:35:42 | |
| I wanted to go through that. | 02:35:46 | |
| I you know, you get 30 minutes to calm down and. | 02:35:49 | |
| I think that's why it's important to me in person. | 02:35:54 | |
| I don't think a Finance Committee, if it was selected like I read through and I don't know if Jamie, you said that of like. | 02:35:58 | |
| The parameters like the mayor would pick it and then we would have consent and it's the city manager on it and. | 02:36:04 | |
| A financial person. | 02:36:10 | |
| Whole purpose was to get people outside to have a double check on it. | 02:36:12 | |
| And as long as. | 02:36:16 | |
| We can have. | 02:36:18 | |
| A witness and an advisor, depending on the issue, whether it be RDA that's going to be on the council, then you bring somebody | 02:36:20 | |
| with that or a CPA. | 02:36:23 | |
| Or different people, a strong talent person with Eric where it's like, hey, there's somebody there. | 02:36:27 | |
| I really want to mend whatever. | 02:36:33 | |
| Relationship and look for a pathway forward with Eric. | 02:36:35 | |
| And I know that. | 02:36:38 | |
| Is with. | 02:36:39 | |
| Having someone there. | 02:36:40 | |
| When there's a misunderstanding. | 02:36:42 | |
| You know, umm. | 02:36:44 | |
| You can't just. | 02:36:45 | |
| Write 2 sentence after and say these are the two things that happened in a 60 minute meeting, right? | 02:36:47 | |
| And a lot of accusations. | 02:36:53 | |
| Are hurting our city instead of like what did or did not happen so fighting for I just have a quick question transparent be | 02:36:55 | |
| helped. | 02:36:58 | |
| Are you making a? | 02:37:02 | |
| To us with something new. | 02:37:04 | |
| So that's the first thing I wanted to cover. | 02:37:06 | |
| The second thing is, is on our social media that today. | 02:37:08 | |
| We had a lot of people just explode about. | 02:37:11 | |
| The parking agreement that we passed a couple of weeks ago. | 02:37:15 | |
| And the social media post? | 02:37:19 | |
| Detailed a lot of the various things. So then I went in and looked at it. | 02:37:21 | |
| And I just feel like we missed an opportunity by not negotiating that in. | 02:37:24 | |
| An open working session. | 02:37:29 | |
| Where not it wasn't advertised and nobody really knew about it. | 02:37:33 | |
| I wasn't even in the negotiations, it was just the two of you. | 02:37:37 | |
| And I just, they were popping up different things and I was like, I can't do. | 02:37:41 | |
| Sorry, Marty and Sarah. | 02:37:46 | |
| I could be more clear. You were invited. I went in your place. | 02:37:48 | |
| No, I was T. | 02:37:51 | |
| Well, I couldn't go. | 02:37:52 | |
| Sarah called me and said Jake couldn't go to this meeting. | 02:37:54 | |
| So I went. | 02:37:58 | |
| To the HOA board to negotiate. | 02:37:59 | |
| And we all discussed it publicly as board. But continue, let's not have a back and forth we're trying to leave. | 02:38:02 | |
| I thought to try to get into that HA meeting like it looks like you guys disagree. | 02:38:07 | |
| Go ahead, next thing. | 02:38:11 | |
| And I just feel like in getting so many people's feedback today where it just hit, it was like. | 02:38:14 | |
| When we get hot button issues instead of having one or two of us go. | 02:38:21 | |
| And me. | 02:38:26 | |
| Bringing that back in and saying, hey, it looks like there's this is going to be contentious. | 02:38:27 | |
| Until we do a working session so that people could come in. | 02:38:32 | |
| Talk about. I know we did a working session. | 02:38:35 | |
| But it wasn't advertised as 24 hours. | 02:38:37 | |
| And I'm just hearing so many people just wish, I wish I would have known because I don't like the agreement. I'm like, are we | 02:38:40 | |
| still talking about the parking thing? | 02:38:43 | |
| I'm talking about the culture of doing open. | 02:38:47 | |
| City Council working session. | 02:38:50 | |
| I guess what I want to say is Sarah has multiple meetings. This has gone on for two years. There have been multiple discussions. | 02:38:52 | |
| They went and did surveys for people. | 02:38:59 | |
| It was publicized. | 02:39:02 | |
| And I feel like not only was it publicized at the HOA, but the HOA had the ability to publicize it even further. | 02:39:04 | |
| So. | 02:39:10 | |
| Right. But I wasn't in the agreement cutting of the terms. It was just the three of no, you were it was public. | 02:39:11 | |
| And when we. | 02:39:17 | |
| Make brought it here when we do it, we do it before the people, when we. | 02:39:19 | |
| We we debate. | 02:39:23 | |
| And we deliberate before the people and the negotiations happen here. | 02:39:25 | |
| So if you're not assigned to it, you do those negotiations here. | 02:39:29 | |
| I wasn't in that room, but I made my negotiations here. | 02:39:32 | |
| OK, well, and Fred came to speak to everybody. | 02:39:36 | |
| And then? | 02:39:39 | |
| It was on the agenda and I asked them to postpone it for two more weeks so everybody could go through it and everybody could talk | 02:39:41 | |
| about it. | 02:39:44 | |
| So if you didn't do that. | 02:39:48 | |
| I I don't know what to tell you. | 02:39:49 | |
| I know I did. And I came and heard it and I said it was here and I said please postpone it because I haven't had time to read | 02:39:52 | |
| through it really well. So you could have done the same thing. I read it well. Her point is it wasn't 24 hours for the people. And | 02:39:56 | |
| what I'm saying is is. | 02:40:00 | |
| What I'm saying is, is that I read it. | 02:40:04 | |
| And there were a few HOA leaders that read it. | 02:40:06 | |
| And I was like, OK, are we happy? But that's a culture of transparency. People know about it. Like if this is important to you, | 02:40:09 | |
| it's it's important to all of us, but we all have the opportunity. If you notice, there's something that's a hot button item. | 02:40:15 | |
| That, you know there's going to be a huge interest in. | 02:40:22 | |
| Please, like you, utilize social media probably more than any of us. | 02:40:25 | |
| Please let everyone know. | 02:40:29 | |
| I think we all get kind of disappointed when you come after the fact and then. | 02:40:31 | |
| No, I like honestly, I. | 02:40:35 | |
| I was texting, could we do this? An open meeting? Could we do this? But we did do it in open meeting. You're just not | 02:40:38 | |
| acknowledging that. | 02:40:41 | |
| The same people in those discussions were here before us, having the negotiation with us. | 02:40:45 | |
| I saw them in the audience. We were able to have the negotiation I had You wanted to do anything different, you could have done | 02:40:50 | |
| it. | 02:40:53 | |
| Doctor mentioned they had that negotiation before the people. | 02:40:55 | |
| From multiple, not just these two meters, I will be very clear, hey, let's stop and and bring those negotiations into a working | 02:40:59 | |
| session before an agreement is met. | 02:41:03 | |
| Because what they felt like is the three of you guys caked it. | 02:41:08 | |
| Who's the three of us? | 02:41:11 | |
| Just the three, they were like, hey, you 3. There was a whole, there was a whole group of and I wasn't there. I made my discussion | 02:41:12 | |
| here in this meeting back to me and I was like, I'm not even in it. Like I came back and said, are you good with it? | 02:41:18 | |
| Because you keep saying we indeed the. | 02:41:24 | |
| The road over to them. | 02:41:26 | |
| There's lots of options. That's not. Here's the thing, that's just not true. | 02:41:28 | |
| Yeah, and and The thing is. | 02:41:31 | |
| You're talking about a culture of transparency. This is how we do it here. This is the culture of transparency. | 02:41:33 | |
| I wasn't at the meetings. Amber wasn't in the meetings, You weren't in the meetings because we're not assigned to them. So we make | 02:41:38 | |
| our negotiations before the public. | 02:41:41 | |
| That's how we do it. We don't do it in quorums. | 02:41:45 | |
| With our quorums here before the puppets. | 02:41:47 | |
| So that they can see our negotiations. | 02:41:49 | |
| Well, I I think. | 02:41:51 | |
| The feedback that I got was that if they would have had a third vote, and I kept saying, well, I'm right here. I don't know about, | 02:41:52 | |
| well, the mayor's gonna vote this way. And I said. | 02:41:56 | |
| Well, let's just do this in open working system, just giving feedback to be able to improve. | 02:42:01 | |
| I am not attacking, I'm just saying like I feel like. | 02:42:06 | |
| I don't think you're not presenting what really happened, nor are you acknowledged really helpful if you would just go back and | 02:42:09 | |
| acknowledge the fact. | 02:42:12 | |
| That where they weren't allowed to park. | 02:42:16 | |
| Overnight now they're allowed to park there. There's a small fee, so it would be really, really wise. | 02:42:18 | |
| For you to go back. | 02:42:23 | |
| And acknowledge the win. | 02:42:25 | |
| And also acknowledge it's a slight improvement and also acknowledge that we did it in public. | 02:42:27 | |
| We had a discussion in the public. It wasn't 24 hours. | 02:42:33 | |
| So that's not true. We had multiple meetings on this and it didn't start with those two meetings, but it but if you remember that | 02:42:36 | |
| public comment, I. | 02:42:39 | |
| I spoke up right then and said, whoa, nobody knows about this because I was messaging each way people going. | 02:42:43 | |
| Hey, this was noticed 24 hours ago and we postponed it two weeks we postponed it. | 02:42:48 | |
| And that's the that's the hard part. I love the point that the council said. | 02:42:55 | |
| Go ahead and notify people, let them know how the prosecutor you don't have to listen to. I'm just saying, it's not that you're | 02:43:00 | |
| just giving feedback. You're also saying that we are not doing things a certain way, but we're disagreeing with you. | 02:43:05 | |
| And that's OK, we can disagree. Rather than just giving feedback, why don't you explain to the community what the process was? | 02:43:11 | |
| So that they can understand because. | 02:43:18 | |
| You're you're there. You know what happened? No, I wasn't in any way. I have no idea what. No, you're there. You know, there was a | 02:43:20 | |
| media where people are saying. | 02:43:25 | |
| There was no meeting, there was no public discussion, and you could go back and say. | 02:43:30 | |
| We have this on the agenda and then we pushed it out to make sure to give you plenty of time and then you could take ownership and | 02:43:37 | |
| say I'm so sorry that I didn't make it more clear as your council member. Not to mention it happened for two years. So we're going | 02:43:42 | |
| to go ahead and go to the next and thank you for sharing. | 02:43:47 | |
| Like feedback. But I just, I just wanted to. We do like, yeah, we disagree with you. We like feedback. We disagree with you. | 02:43:52 | |
| That's good. That's good. OK, maybe we'll try it. Maybe next. You know, no, You're saying we have no culture of discussion, no | 02:43:58 | |
| culture of transparency. We only do things in 24 hours. We don't involve anybody. All of these things we disagree with you on. | 02:44:03 | |
| It's not that we don't like feedback. We disagree. | 02:44:08 | |
| The next thing is. | 02:44:15 | |
| Umm. I know in code from the last couple of meetings that umm. | 02:44:18 | |
| We the government, the change of government would require. | 02:44:21 | |
| Our form of government. | 02:44:26 | |
| Would only allow two of us there because you hold a standing meeting. | 02:44:27 | |
| Yet you don't attend my meetings with Eric. | 02:44:31 | |
| And it would be amazing. | 02:44:34 | |
| Since it's just Eric that. | 02:44:36 | |
| If I could know ahead of time. | 02:44:38 | |
| Just some courtesy. | 02:44:40 | |
| So that I could invite Marty or Amber or Sarah to be there. | 02:44:41 | |
| Because you don't attend any of my meetings. | 02:44:45 | |
| So I did attend your meeting online for one of them and I did attend. | 02:44:47 | |
| Multiple of your readings in person. | 02:44:50 | |
| And the one that the last one, I didn't attend your meeting because I didn't actually see it on my calendar because my calendars | 02:44:53 | |
| weren't connected. I apologize for not being there, but it wasn't intentional. | 02:44:57 | |
| But anytime that I won't be there or can't be there, and I know I will let you know and other people will be able to, yeah, | 02:45:02 | |
| because. | 02:45:05 | |
| You know, yeah, I'm with you on your block. You know, it blocks our ability to have. | 02:45:08 | |
| More people. | 02:45:13 | |
| Yeah, well, Sarah, Marty or somebody said I'd love to be in the same meeting with her. | 02:45:14 | |
| Yeah, absolutely. I'm with you guys want a better relationship with Eric. I want a better relationship. | 02:45:17 | |
| And I think you guys being in the meeting would improve things. Yeah, I can support you on that. I support. | 02:45:21 | |
| You are not continuously. | 02:45:26 | |
| The next thing? | 02:45:30 | |
| I think, I think we're believing it's 10:00. I think I. | 02:45:32 | |
| I've I think I've done for that. | 02:45:34 | |
| Does anybody have anything else to add? I skipped over the. | 02:45:38 | |
| Or it's but otherwise in the bedroom. OK virgin, thank. | 02:45:41 |