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We're rolling.
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Alright, it is October 26, 2022 and I'd like to open our joint vineyard.
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City Council and Planning Commission meeting.
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The time is 603. Please remember to silence your cell phones.
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And we'll go ahead and.
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Get started. We'll have an invitation by Tyson. He'll lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance as well.
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Alright, Heavenly Father, we give you thanks for this day, this opportunity we have together, together.
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Deal with the concerns and needs of our fair city mean, I said. Blessings will be upon all of those who serve.
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Especially would seek a blessing upon our emergency.
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Officials are policemen or firemen.
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And our medical people who care for us. We thank you, Father, for the moisture that has fallen.
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As we greatly needed.
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Yes, said blessed weapon, All those in need and we say stupid Jesus Christ. Amen. Please stand.
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I pledge allegiance through the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands.
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One nation under God.
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Indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Thank you.
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Alright.
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To this time, we're going to be switching a few of our discussion items.
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So and we'll put 2.12 point three or two point one, 2.2 and 2.3 in reverse. So we'll start out with our public hearing Zoning Text
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Amendment Ordinance 2022, Dash 19.
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And the City Council and Planning Commission are going to both be talking about this. Morgan's going to kick us off. And so Morgan
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will just let you start and turn the time over.
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Yeah, and well, that's a good idea to open it first. So I'll need a motion to open a public hearing.
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So moved by Amber.
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Second, Second by ties, all in favor, aye?
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Hi.
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All right.
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You're now in a public hearing. Great. Thank you. Madam Mayor. Former. I've got lots of public comments on. Thank you.
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So I'll, I'll, I'll review just really quickly. So the applicant for the downtown Flag Borough that's a.
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That is Flagship and Woodbury combined.
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And they are applying for several text amendments to our downtown vendor, Special Purpose District.
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And I just wanna wanna explain that they'll get into the the meat of those.
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And now, as we know, we spent the last 7-8 years planning and designing our downtown, especially within the last three years,
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getting a much higher level detail.
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We anticipated as projects came in.
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It being our special purpose zoning district, being a form based code, meaning that it's very prescriptive, it has.
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A lot of dimensional requirements for like windows and entryways, porches and whatnot, and you know, landscaping, open spaces.
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We we kind of anticipated that the first projects would help guide us to so that we could do further modifications and and and be
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able to implement the plan that was put that was put put in place by by Jeff Speck.
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And so these these are amendments to that they are not increasing density or anything like that. They're simply allowing us to
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modify some of the architectural standards and also gets into some of the.
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The requirements for a parking study and so there, there's a few changes there as well. So without any further ado, I'd like to
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turn this over to I think it's Pete. Great. And we'll go from there. Thank you.
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Is it? Is it?
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Easier for.
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Me to plug in.
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I think cash is going to be able to.
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OK.
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Great.
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Um, so appreciate the opportunity.
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To visit with you about this tonight and as Morgan said.
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We we, we kind of always knew that as we designed our first set of buildings and and even.
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Beyond that, there will be some constraints and.
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Just executional items that we run into that will need to fine tune.
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From from a really broad form based code.
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Some of those we've captured here tonight, we've tried to capture all of them so that you know we're not coming back over and over
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again.
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As we design other styles of buildings, we may run into other.
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Architectural issues that that will.
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Need to talk about as well, but I think this is a a pretty good summary as we've laid out blocks what we call blocks 5:00 and
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6:00.
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Down on the West End of the Promenade.
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And and designing buildings worked with staff and really appreciate.
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Their time and effort in in not only working through these but then also.
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The process that we line out as we go through, as we submit.
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Before these first set of buildings and.
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And the the complications that come with submitting.
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The first two buildings of many buildings in a large scale master plan.
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And how?
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That interacts with the code that would that really anticipated kind of 1 building at a time.
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Type of building, which is what most most codes are geared for.
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And so with that, if we can go to the next slide, cash.
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And so the.
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I I try to break these up into sections of the code and we'll just kind of go through the summary of.
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What they ask is and the code change and then I can talk a little bit about why we're asking for the change and then hopefully in
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some of these were examples would help illustrate the point. We have some examples in here as well.
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So the first one is to modify the downtown station district.
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Table the use table.
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So there there's a table in the in the code.
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That winds out what we what each district area.
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Is is permitted and not permitted to do as far as building types?
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We'd like to add to the downtown station district use table.
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Single household attached as a permitted use, so those would be like townhomes.
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We we have, for example, an area in.
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One of the more dense blocks in in what we call block one where we're looking at.
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Like a a rose style brownstone walk up, a product that we think would be really complementary.
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To some of the more dense, taller buildings on that block. Currently we're not allowed to do a A.
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A townhome product like this. A single family attached product.
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Similarly on the downtown mixed-use.
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And then in the lakefront commercial district.
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We'd like to add single household attached.
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Has permitted these ones with an asterisk.
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The asterisks would say that the the permitted use would be limited.
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To 5% or less of the overall units in that district.
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So that we're still keeping the intent of the density that the city is expecting.
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But we're allowing the flexibility.
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For the additional product types.
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In the downtown mixed-use district, single household detached as a permitted use with an asterisk so.
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That would be in addition to the the single family or single household attached townhomes.
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We could have it actually like a single family detached home.
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We had a situation that I can show you an example of.
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Where we had two paseos coming together in a Plaza.
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And the urban planners and said, hey, this would be a great place.
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For like a live work unit just to create some activity on this Plaza.
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And keep keep that activity.
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And going.
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But you know, the code didn't allow for that use even with like a live work unit where we would have.
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Like a a you know, an an attorney or an accountant or.
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And you know, retail or small retail?
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To take on the 1st floor with with residential above.
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On a detached building, we wouldn't be able to do that.
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Again, these these later ones would be within Asterisk so that we're still keeping to the purpose and intent.
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Of the density that was planned for these areas.
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But adding in this additional product type that would allow for a little more flexibility on the uses.
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Village General, District. Amend the table to include single household detached as permitted with an asterisk.
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And lakefront commercial similarly?
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Detached with an asterisks.
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Um.
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Any any questions on those?
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Any questions? No.
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Planning Commission.
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Yeah.
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OK.
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Are you sure?
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Could you explain?
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Because I.
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I appreciate the.
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All of the ones with the abstract. Could you explain maybe?
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How many we're looking at with A&B because.
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Like we just explain it a little bit more. Yeah, so, so A&B, those ones would be so for example.
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In the downtown station and the downtown mixed-use area.
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Where we're planning, for example, a parking structure.
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And we're planning to wrap that parking structure with townhomes, you know, single, family, single.
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Single.
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Household.
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Attached townhomes to hide that.
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Parking structure.
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Then you know the those would be kind of more the.
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Complementary uses.
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So we're we're not anticipating.
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Like a townhome development, standalone townhome development per se.
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It would be a complementary use that would.
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Wrap parking structures, for example, or.
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Have like a standalone.
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Like a few higher end brownstone units on a Plaza and a paseo.
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Something like that. So you know we we would anticipate those to still be less than 5% but.
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Those felt like in those more dense districts, they didn't.
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Really need to be limited because those areas are gonna want to be more dense anyway.
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Yeah, yeah. I mean, if if there's a concern, we'd be happy to.
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Cap it at 5%.
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But I I don't.
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I don't foresee us getting to 5%.
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There, those those blocks are gonna be more dense.
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Umm.
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I would like advice from planning if we feel that an asterisk would be.
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Faster if we're OK without it.
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And we're we're, we're fine either way. I mean the the thought was that's a less dense product type being being proposed in that
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in that district.
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And so we know kind of increasing density is typically the more controversial thing. And so I, you know if they're proposing a
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less dense type from a staff standpoint we we don't, we don't really have any issues with it. So either either way we could add it
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if you wanted.
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No, it's fine. Thank you.
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Morgan, while you're up there.
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Question on I I get that.
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Reducing densities typically less controversial.
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However.
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We're designing a downtown here.
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And if it just becomes a clone of everything that's already South of the connector, that is a concern of mine.
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If it loses that downtown feel or what we were going for.
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And becomes just more of.
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Yeah, Yeah. I mean our own product that that already exists the our feeling is that it provides kind of a complimentary and it
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provides like like some some some variety that you would see and.
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It's something that was more of an organic downtown that had that had grown up as opposed to just like community accountability
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and real townhomes or something like that like adding those specific product types in the line for that I think would provide some
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interest in some variation.
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But yeah, we we could add the 5%. It just doesn't. Yeah, I mean I guess the the concern, I just wanna the concern I just wanna
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voice is that.
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Most mixed areas that we have zoned.
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Are not mixed and they are just residential.
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And if this just becomes another.
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Essentially residential area. That's a major concern to me, yeah.
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Yeah, that's an easy out. Like I said, I I think in those blocks we didn't put the asterisks because we don't, we don't anticipate
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even coming close on that, but happy to.
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Put the cap on just so that everybody's on the same page can Anthony, you felt like the 5%?
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Answered your question and.
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Satisfied you? Yeah, I think so. But even with the 5%, I I would just want to make sure that we capture the essence of what a
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downtown is that we're trying to build and it doesn't just become.
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You know extend.
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Everything that's already built NA little bit more that it is something that unique that we that we're preparing for. Did you
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wanna capture that essence with adding verbiage or were you feeling comfortable with that probably captures that but that that's
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just I mean that's my overarching feedback on any of these changes is there's a lot of work that's gone into this downtown zoning
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code and I want to make sure that the.
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Minor modifications, fine, but the essence of it, so yeah, we we totally agree. So if you go to the the next slide here, this is
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kind of an example of.
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Where we had two paseos coming together and there's a little Plaza in the back like a a little conjunction of those that red
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squares where the urban planners.
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But hey, this could be a really cool, like standalone.
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Single family, if you go to the next slide, here's some concepts of that, so you can see kind of that single family.
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House tucked back on that Plaza.
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But still surrounded by, you know, kind of the character and nature of the density that.
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We were talking about in the urban environment.
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So.
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So if you go to the next one, it shows a little more clearly.
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So that that's kind of like a you know plan is like a live work.
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Unit with some kind of a, you know, public area on the main floor with the residential on the top floor.
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They go to the next slide.
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Another another variation of what that could look like.
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And then finally the next one.
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You know, just kind of showing.
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Different variations of of what that condition. The next slide shows a more of a retail condition.
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That you could have there where you could have, you know, kind of a.
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One of the other.
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Items in the code is that there there aren't any single story buildings.
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And so, you know, we've asked them to modify that so that we could have.
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Um, single story buildings on approval. We could ask for approval for single story buildings instead of having the not not
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permitted.
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Because there will be some retail users.
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Like little coffee shop stands or.
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Apple Store for example.
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That want their own single level building and and you know.
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We we think you know.
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To provide that flexibility is important and not have it be permitted necessarily, but have it be permittable.
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Are you proposing that as a conditional use or no? As a permittable use, so it's a permitted use? You say upon approval? What are
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the standards you would apply to that?
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Well, it would have to be a site plan that we proposed to.
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Planning Commission and City Council.
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OK.
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I guess I'm not opposed to that. I just want to make sure the Council and the Planning Commission understands that.
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If it's permitted with approval, legally it's a permitted use.
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And so if they submit an application that complies with the ordinance.
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Would be obligated to.
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To permit that.
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Just curious, so if we made it under a conditional use, we wouldn't be obligated?
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You're still obligated, but you're allowed to apply standards and.
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Modifying the site plan according to those standards. This would be something in between.
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And I would view it as a permitted use as that term is used in state law.
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And and we just.
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For the record, we'd be OK changing that to a conditional use, I think.
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I think what you're describing, Jamie, on the conditional use process is probably more what we were envisioning anyway.
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And and I please don't take my comment as negative or or saying that it's a bad idea. I just want to make sure it's understood
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what it means. No, I think legally when you approve the ordinance that process I think.
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The conditional use process was kind of what we were envisioning, where we would come in with a proposal.
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The the idea on my part was just not have it be unpermitted.
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OK.
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And then Marty, the difference, just so you understand it is.
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If.
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If they give it some structure here, but it requires approval, it just means they have to create the site plan.
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That complies with what the code calls for.
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And if they create that kind of site plan, then the city would be obligated to approve it.
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If it's a conditional use, then you can.
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Um mitigated a little bit by Orion and the site requiring parking.
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Limiting noise, doing those kinds of things so that that fit with the city standards, but.
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You still, at the end of the day, if you accommodate those factors, you still will.
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Approve the use, so I guess what I'm.
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Saying is, make sure you're comfortable with.
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A single story use in some circumstances because that's what you're approving to allow.
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OK. Any questions?
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What do we, I guess is that.
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Do we need to make that decision? Are you guys? Do you feel comfortable just leaving it as I put a conditional use for a
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stipulation?
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For commentary. Thank you.
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Any other comments on that?
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No.
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OK, thanks. So next, next one, item number two would be.
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To remove the taxi cab.
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Designation as a prohibited use.
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And this is this is again, not us envisioning running a taxi cab operation.
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In Town Center. But but we do think that in the future there will probably be really creative.
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Ride sharing and car car sharing and things like that.
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And then we want to be able to have the flexibility.
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To be able to implement some of those programs without technically.
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Running afoul of the.
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Taxicab provision in the code.
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Well, and I wonder, does taxicab kind of get rid of Ubers or other things like that?
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You know.
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That would make it less profitable.
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To.
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OK.
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Any comments on that one?
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Yeah.
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OK.
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The next one is is building standards.
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So the request here is to modify the minimum ground story transparency.
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What what it says in the code right now is minimum ground story transparency measured between 0 and 10 feet above grade.
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And will be 60% and we're asking to modify that to 40 and.
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I think we probably ought to have a discussion on whether.
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40 is still too high.
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And I will show you some examples here and and talk about the reason why we're asking for this. The next, the next one there is
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just the single story building that we just talked about.
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And then?
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The minimum ground floor height. So let's go through these one by one. So minimum ground story transparency if you'll go 2 slides
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down please.
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So this is showing a a rendering of a building where the ground story, ground story transparency.
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There's 37.8 glazing.
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Percent glazing.
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So 37.8% of the first floor of that building is glass.
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It's a lot of glass.
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The next one down is 45.4.
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And so you can see it this this probably this condition.
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In the code was anticipating.
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1st floor retail basically everywhere.
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And that's just not a condition. We have first floor retail in some selected areas.
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In a lot of the buildings we have.
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1st floor residential with stoop conditions and porches.
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And some really cool pedestrian activity.
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Oriented buildings that are going to really activate our streets and paseos.
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But a lot of those are not really conducive to having full glass along the front of your unit.
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As you're on a paseo or a walkway or street.
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And there's a lot of people walking by.
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Um, so reducing that glazing requirement would allow us to?
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The we think more architecturally appropriate.
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On the 1st floor with the buildings giving given the building use.
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And the unit types on that first floor.
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I think we'd still be.
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I think fine having some sort of a.
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Requirement on.
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Areas where we have either a retail or a public use. So in other words where we have a lobby, a common area lobby or a you know, a
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corner retail area which we're planning several in.
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Where we expect there to be a little restaurant or a fitness center.
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Or something like that we can.
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Add more glazing in those areas, but where they're gonna be residential units.
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That much glass with that much pedestrian traffic out in front.
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Is not architecturally appropriate.
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So your top one is 37% correct.
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Yeah, so you can see how much glass.
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That is on that first floor, you know, as you're walking down that street.
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Most of what you would see would be.
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Floor to ceiling windows.
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Yeah, sure. Another another reason for this is sustainability.
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And as we've talked to it, we're trying to do a lot of sustainable things in the community and obviously.
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The heating and cooling standpoint standpoint, the more glass you have the more problematic it is to.
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To achieve some of those sustainable standards we're trying to achieve. So that's another part of that.
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Is this divided by use or is it an overall percentage along your projects? The code currently doesn't discriminate between uses,
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it's just the ground floor.
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Between 0 and 10 feet.
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Hmm. And again I that that makes sense where you have.
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A retail on the main floor and it's a storefront condition.
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And you've got glass doors. That all works.
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And if those are are those are housing units?
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On the first floor.
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You don't want the whole front of your unit to be glass.
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Well, I'm sorry.
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Yeah, you know you're gonna do this. You cannot be quiet. You can't be quiet. But another thing is there's we've activated this
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from working with Jeff Speck to get people in these units out into these areas.
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So most multifamily projects you see.
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Are accessed from a corridor in the back.
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And that keeps limited activity out on the street and pedestrians. And what makes the place feel more safe is more pedestrians out
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on the street.
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So what we've done here?
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Is.
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All of these units here on the main level are accessed from this main level here, so there is no back corridor for the main floor
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units.
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Which is very unique. And so part of that too is you're going to have doors there.
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And having glass doors there.
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Like Pete said, with this extremely pedestrian friendly area and then everything is glass, you can just walk down that street and
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look and.
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In every bedrooms and.
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All sorts of different things of those units. So a lot of that's privacy for those units.
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Morgan, are there codes that discriminate between uses on glazing where you could say X amount of percentage for frontage for
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storefronts and this amount of percentage for?
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Residential uses.
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Yeah yeah you you you could take condition it with that.
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So if you wanted more for the for the retailer, you could you could break out the the use type.
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And that and that. That's a pretty easy site plan review.
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Hmm, so.
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So that might be something I wanna keep the the 60 on retail and then you know 40 on residential or whatever that number is. Yeah,
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37 and and Matt beaten with.
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Nelson Architects is on Zoom and so you know what, Matt, I don't know if you can.
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Here is if you have anything you want to add.
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Yeah. Thanks. Can you hear me? Yes.
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Yeah this is good discussion everything. I think dividing it up between uses is really far idea. I think maybe there's a way to
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condition the type the code so that.
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The percentage is tied to the specific use.
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Yeah. I think, I think you said early on that even 40% maybe too high and we have three very large windows at the ground floor.
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About the largest.
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Condition.
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Kind of running about 45%.
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I mean, I think this vision maybe some areas of residential architecture where it would be a little less than 20%, maybe 35%.
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So.
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I don't know what that number is or wants to be that they've 40% probably did that.
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60% residential use.
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Is there anything you can see? I'm having trouble seeing what's actually on the screen, but I think.
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The right hand side of that.
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Image.
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In any space.
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So.
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Where we are being sensitive to years ago.
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You know, retail space or a space or a leasing office.
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And fully glazed and, you know, super visible and locally to the street.
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And then when we get back to the.
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Residential units, we really want a little bit of little market.
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I think 40 percent, 3540% of the.
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Kind of benchmark for that. So I think that's pretty smart idea for you.
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Find a way to divide that.
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Percentage based on these?
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So Matt, on the.
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Kind of orange area that you've outlined.
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And that's like 37.8 so if we said 35 on residential and.
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Well, I mean the what what we have right now I think.
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On the lobby and future retail area is 45.
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I mean, do you?
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Is 45 plus only because we're including all that regional space in it. So yeah, residential I think it's closer.
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Yeah. And so are, I guess my question is on the retail area is 60.
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An OK number on the retail area.
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I didn't get that. I mean, I wouldn't. I wouldn't wanna do anything less than that probably for retail, OK?
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Kind of a man.
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So 35 and 60.
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Yeah.
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OK. Council, Planning Commission to guys have any questions or thoughts on that? Just one comment here for me. It's not so much
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about the percent of glass. Again, I think we knew this when we were going in that that's a high amount and almost.
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Forcing that to be ground level retail, that was very clear that that was the intent.
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So again, just to my concern or caution is that we're shifting away from the original intent that we're getting.
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More of a residential neighborhood feel than the.
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Downtown feel with with bottom floor retail so.
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Is that the comment I want to make, is that, OK, so Anthony what you're what you're saying is because we put the 60% it forces
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retail and doesn't allow residential and Morgan would you say the code speaks to Anthony Anthony's comment that way that 60%
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designates that?
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And that we're moving away from the use that we hoped for.
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Yeah, I mean and that and that that that's one of the the main things like signifiers for for retail that that kind of urban.
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Tree farm retail is the magic glass. I think maintaining the 60% kind of in our planner world like that that would definitely have
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the appearance of of a retail storefront. And then the residential, the the 35% you know make makes a lot of sense. I mean because
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I think you're taking the aggregate. So we would do the calculation based off of like that full frontage for the the residential.
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But we we feel like that that would trait that parents the 60% is the real storefront window kind of design.
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What I'm wondering, did we decide on 60%?
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Kind of trying to force that 60% of that main floor would be retail. So we're looking at one building.
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No I so so the this so the intent was.
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On the so the 16% was just blanket.
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But there there are.
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Specific areas in the code that have to be first floor retail.
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So along along Market Street.
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Along some areas of the promenade.
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So in those areas, there's those, those have to be first floor retail.
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And I think the glazing requirement May is logical and makes sense for those.
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The problem is that.
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We didn't differentiate between.
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Retail and residential and I understand what Anthony is saying is that.
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And if we just if we just keep it all 60 then.
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Every main floor of every building in here will be retail, but it's that's not realistic.
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And so.
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You know, realistically we've consolidated first floor retail in the areas where they make sense.
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And the other areas that are going to be residential on the main floor need to have an architectural condition that's conducive to
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residential.
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Yeah. So I I understand that and I think, I think all I'm calling out is.
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With a change like this, I think we need to understand and accept that we are almost certain to not get retail anywhere other than
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where it's required. Yeah, I we're OK with that. And I think that's that's true and not true. I mean.
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You're you're right. I mean you won't be mandated to have, you know kind of like.
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Are almost almost like functionally mandated to have retail on the main floor, right? Even though you're not legally mandated to
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have retail on the main floor?
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But I think the way that we're designing this is to have future retail in areas where we think they make a lot of sense. So for
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example, in this building in particular.
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On the corner, that's on the promenade.
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And a paseo coming out that we think's gonna have.
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Really high pedestrian activity.
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We're putting our fitness center there, but we're also designing in grease traps.
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So that we can have turn that into a restaurant.
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In the future, if that makes sense.
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So I think, I think we're trying to future proof.
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The development in a way that provides for as much retail as we can.
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But.
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You know.
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Also modifying it so that we're putting retail.
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We're mandating the retail condition.
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Where the code says that we're required to have retail.
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Deserves those those three main districts and then provides that architectural distinction in areas where you'll you'll have that
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true mixed-use where it's not required.
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Any other comments on that?
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And.
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I think maybe something to consider when you're looking over this is if you wanted to say a reduction of blazing that maybe you
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say we're hoping to see X amount of retail in this area, maybe that's where you would take your conversation.
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And.
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And the upcoming conversation, OK.
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Any other comments?
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No.
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OK.
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Next.
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And.
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So in in Section D, in in D, if you go back to that text, Amendment #3. Thanks.
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So Dee was demise lines.
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So in the code right now, there's a requirement that to break up the linear span of buildings so that they.
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There's not too long of a run.
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With one look.
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So every 200 feet there needs to be a demising break in the building facade so that it looks like another building.
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And you have that you know that architectural.
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Variability and variety as you walk down that street.
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And we're we're asking them to limit that to six stories in height.
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So we had a building.
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Greater than six stories in height.
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And we wouldn't want to artificially break up those Dumayas lines on a on what we would call a tower.
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Because it just looks artificial and.
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And.
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You know, like a forced condition.
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Where with the tower.
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You're more looking at, you know, kind of more glass.
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More architectural styling.
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And and not necessarily relying on the demising breakup of the the facade to create a really interesting building.
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And.
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This, this game, this was Jeff Speck's idea like.
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We talked about Boston, for example, how Boston has on the lower buildings.
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The brownstone type look that they get broken up every few 100 feet, but then they still have large.
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Large glass towers and are mixed in that and I can't remember who made the club, I don't know if it was.
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Planning Commission last week someone said, yeah, it's kind of like trying to create a tower and it looks like New York, NY and
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Las Vegas where you have one building that tries to make it look like 6, you know?
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And that was a good image for me on that. But this this idea came from Jeff Speck because we've been looking at building taller
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buildings, trying to break those up. It's just.
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Try hard to make those look like different buildings.
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In a tower setting.
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And make it look good.
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Can you do it?
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Any comments on that?
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No.
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OK, let's go to the next one.
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Next slide.
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So on on.
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These these sections really have to do with their residential conditions as they meet.
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The street.
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And.
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Looking at different ways that we do Stoops and porches.
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And and again, transparency.
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So A through D are basically removing.
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Requirements for stoop and porch sizes.
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And and transparencies. Matt, I don't know if you wanna speak to this a little bit.
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Maybe we lost now.
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So Ohh, go ahead.
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Yes.
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Yeah, I I feel like you know there's there's we're trying to provide a variety of kind of ground level conditions and.
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Grand model.
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And.
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Part part of.
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So we're talking about spying. We're also talking about kind of height. I think there's some.
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Flower.
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You know what we're trying to do on the ground floor of Building 5 and Six in particular, again, when they were talking about
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elevating the interior corridor.
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To promote.
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Activity on the street and and.
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Activate the streets around.
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Have people be able to use the street.
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And how do you?
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The suits.
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Or you can do.
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Are really kind of everyone's front door and so we're trying to provide the wide variety of conditions along there.
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Sizes and the skin.
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Right.
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Or kind of.
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International requirements and high requirements were exposed to restrictive.
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We're going to have.
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Grant accessible entrances on the ground floor.
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That means, you know, they're not going to be kind of talk about the grade. They'll be right back grade.
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Which kind of was a?
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I think everyone.
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Is the first born indeed.
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1st.
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Yeah.
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Yep.
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So, yeah. So I think that's kind of what I think we want to talk about is.
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You know.
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Very sensible entry on the ground for for us to.
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It's not coming up. You're you're you're being able to.
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Like.
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Rule right of your unit for 12 people.
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So she's gonna.
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Why it's 13 to 24 with that?
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Some imagery.
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So.
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Conditions that were that were dying.
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You'll be able to see.
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We're trying to accomplish.
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There we go.
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Somewhere in there or somewhere.
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Well, she he he doesn't see him on Zoom yet.
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I I don't think.
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I don't think Pam has the latest version.
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And.
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You need to refresh what you're looking at. I think you've got like a.
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Older version of it.
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This is the one I received at 519.
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OK, so mount. Mount. Well, she's refreshing that we're we're looking at your slides.
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OK. So you just kind of travel through those slides?
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Because the.
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All the the various conditions, so I mean I guess.
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And even within within block five and six, we have some.
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Like 1-6 is all on the ground. All that rolling conditions with Corvette.
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I guess so.
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They have their own place.
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You know.
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Conditioner.
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Correctly word.
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And verify and hanging around all condition. Hmm.
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And then?
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No.
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And you had final three or do you have another one, right?
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We have a little more variety where.
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But we do have students because you can get in here from the back. So that we pulled this up.
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Again, exactly right here we have kind of a point guard condition.
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Where you're you're, this is probably more in line with.
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We have a very tall kind of floor floor.
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For.
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From having grade.
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Or.
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We don't have 12 feet all the time. It's all. It's all.
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9:00.
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We're asking for just a little bit of relief on that if we can have a range of nine.
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It really allows for that variety.
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And we're we're going after, please.
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And Matt, can you speak a little bit just to the the size requirements on the porches and Stoops?
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And the transparency requirements on the front.
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Yeah. So again, the transparency, I mean, this is a residential condition we don't really want to have.
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You know, all glaze and necessary full glazing.
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A little bit of privacy.
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So you kind of like a traditional city like Boston or New York where?
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Patient.
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Smaller windows today.
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If you're on the street here.
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Kind of a little bit of a.
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Of a break my line so that that you back up one.
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You know, I guess that's a good example right here.
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So this is not a fully glazed front.
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So this is back to that kind of 30 and 35%?
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Transparency that we're talking about before, you really don't want to have any border entrances in this year.
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00:39:53
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Yarn for people living on the ground floor to.
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Exposed to people on the street and then the size requirements.
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00:40:02
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I can't remember. Can you help me out? Yeah, so that.
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00:40:08
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Yeah, we had a We had a minimum stoop in porch size that we were really bumping into.
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And on designing these first two blocks, where?
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We had some work, more creative, really interesting scoop and porch concepts that just didn't fit.
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And within the code and so.
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00:40:28
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The request was to remove the minimum sizes for Stoops and porches.
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Right.
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Or you can see here like right when.
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3.
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I'm Craig.
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On the code.
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Understood. Parts of it just to be able to provide you and pushing forward that kind of variety.
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You know, when you come out of your course, maybe there's more like 3 foot landing and some steps down, but then it kind of breaks
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out into a side.
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But.
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I think it's just a matter of.
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Not only have a right to prescription code to allow for more variety.
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And not be so kind of kind of a.
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00:41:12
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Imagine.
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00:41:17
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And another another reason for the porch condition on the inside of the courtyards. You know this. Here we're talking Paseo.
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00:41:19
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Yeah, the backside of the building is in that kind of common courtyard area and we talked about.
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00:41:26
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The larger those portraits, those private porches become, eats more into that kind of.
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00:41:33
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Public private courtyard that that all the residents have to share and so, like the residents on the main level, get an extra few
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feet.
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But then it reduces the amount of overall private space that that overall building has. So if you're on the second level, you're
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just kind of out of luck.
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00:41:49
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So having some private porches on the interior condition.
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00:41:53
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Of those courtyards. But then.
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Having more, having larger private space for all of the residents in there, so the courtyards in these areas will be key card
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access.
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00:42:03
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So this is where they'll have kind of.
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00:42:06
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It'll be public to whoever lives in their building, but.
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00:42:09
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But private from all these public vassals and everywhere else that we want all this activity on, so that there is some place to go
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00:42:13
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and have a little BBQ for example.
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00:42:17
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You know, a little more private area to let your kids go around and feel like you can be in your unit looking out your window.
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00:42:21
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But not out in the parcels are on the Promenade for example and we think it's important that those.
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00:42:28
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Those those courtyard areas can be a little bit larger as part of the logic behind that porch area too.
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00:42:32
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Any questions or comments on?
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Porches Stoops.
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00:42:44
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Just a thought.
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Umm.
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00:42:49
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The reason for that back in the day?
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00:42:51
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Because we don't want postage stamp.
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00:42:55
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Horses.
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00:42:59
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Where?
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00:43:01
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You put a chair in, you're done.
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00:43:01
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We want this to look like a livable space instead of a inner city.
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00:43:05
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Squash.
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00:43:09
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I I'm fine with providing you flexibility as long as we don't revert.
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00:43:12
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To the standard.
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00:43:18
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Cheap version hmm of this.
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00:43:20
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I see some of your arguments.
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00:43:24
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OK.
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00:43:25
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But I'm scared to death.
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00:43:26
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From past experience of what we get.
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00:43:29
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So.
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00:43:33
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I'm willing to go for flexibility, Morgan.
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00:43:34
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But I want some guarantees.
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00:43:37
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Where architecture?
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00:43:39
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Allows it.
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00:43:41
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And the situation allows for it.
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00:43:44
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If I.
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00:43:47
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Bought one of those apartments. I want more than one chair on my damn patio.
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00:43:48
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Hmm. OK.
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00:43:52
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Understand we need traffic in the front.
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00:43:55
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But I still want that open appearance.
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00:43:58
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That welcoming et cetera.
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00:44:02
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That's very important to this place.
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00:44:04
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OK.
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00:44:07
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So I guess I'm cautionary tale.
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00:44:09
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I trust you, but I don't trust you. Hmm.
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00:44:12
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Morgan and just as we talk about this, is there anything that we could do to?
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00:44:16
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And words, methods to alleviate the concerns that Tyson is feeling. Or should we continue and think about that and navigate that
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00:44:22
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as we get into our council discussion?
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00:44:26
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Yeah, I mean I I think part of it too is Bronson if you guys have the the the schematics that show kind of the front yard area
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00:44:33
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they I think that that was part of it too is.
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00:44:38
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Yeah. If you don't, if you don't have the Stoops, then it provides like a front yard area. It provides more area where neighbors
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00:44:44
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would be outside and and they're, you know it, it provides kind of that at a place where you can have social gathering. It's a
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00:44:49
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little bit stuck concept is kind of dated. Yeah, it is. OK. I understand that.
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00:44:55
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But I want us to come up with.
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00:45:02
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A situation that provides the same thing in centuries past.
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00:45:05
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That astute provided I understand.
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00:45:10
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Still doesn't work for me. What about the concepts that you're talking about and replacing it with that is, is that outlined in
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00:45:13
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our current plan?
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00:45:17
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That says hey, we're replacing it with XY and Z.
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00:45:22
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Yeah, I think we could say maybe we say that there's a that there.
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00:45:25
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If there's not a minimum size in the porch area, if it's on a paseo, a larger paseo, or a courtyard example where it backs enough.
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00:45:29
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Because I think what we're trying to get at is the same thing here. And so having some language in there that talks about.
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00:45:36
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You know there there is a minimum port size unless you're on a paseo or a courtyard for example, so that.
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00:45:42
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And then there's some variety in the ability of the scoops that because this is a really good plan that we've submitted here to to
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00:45:48
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see. But once again, this is 2 buildings of an awful lot of buildings and so keeping that.
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00:45:54
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Keeping that language and protection in there, I think we're OK with because that's our intent. So I think talking about maybe.
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00:46:02
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Having if there's courtyards or paseos with those buildings being submitted that those, then those porch requirements can go away
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00:46:08
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so that we're not just.
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00:46:11
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Because I it's kind of back to Anthony's point of we gotta make sure we're creating this intent of this urban downtown that we're
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00:46:15
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all trying to create. And I think the buildings were submitting are we don't want you to feel like we're trying to submit these
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00:46:21
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buildings and then change and revert back to you know stuff that's been done in the past that that no one really loves.
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00:46:27
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I agree with your.
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00:46:35
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Approach, Yeah.
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00:46:37
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I'm just concerned that we continue to have some.
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00:46:39
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I would get it in the code that way. Yeah. Yeah. Would that would that work, you guys? Like, if there's courtyards? And yeah,
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00:46:43
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Matt, Matt, what were you gonna say?
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00:46:47
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You can do that.
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00:46:53
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Accident which is the left hand.
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00:46:55
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You know we are trying to keep the scale. If you look around the perimeter Public St.
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00:46:59
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Because the every unit recess is back.
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00:47:06
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And push it forward so we have a public street, so.
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00:47:08
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They're much larger.
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00:47:16
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Ohh, you're on the street.
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00:47:19
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Thank you.
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00:47:21
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So we can add that in.
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00:47:25
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When you're facing.
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00:47:29
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For Harvard.
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00:47:32
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Before I send it.
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00:47:38
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You see, we don't really have to recess in there.
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00:47:39
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So when you have covered, kind of come out, but the idea is that the courtyard is really hard, so you're sharing a yard maybe.
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00:47:42
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You know, eight or nine different families and units, but it's really belongs to the residents.
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00:47:52
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Ownership.
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00:47:58
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We don't have.
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00:48:01
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Baseline and really reactions to.
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00:48:09
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Wasn't.
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00:48:11
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Street furniture.
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00:48:14
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I think there is some level of.
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00:48:18
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Happiness gives a sensibility.
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00:48:20
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OK.
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00:48:26
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That makes sense. Yep. Let's go to the next one. OK. Any questions?
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00:48:27
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No.
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00:48:31
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OK. And were were there any questions on the?
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00:48:37
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Minimum ground floor height.
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00:48:40
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Growing to 9 to 12 feet instead of 12 feet.
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00:48:43
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I think Matt explained that pretty well, but.
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00:48:46
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Wanted to make sure we didn't.
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00:48:48
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Move on from that if you had questions, we're good.
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00:48:50
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OK.
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00:48:52
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OK.
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00:48:54
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Um.
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00:48:58
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Yeah, I think.
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00:49:02
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Speaks.
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00:49:04
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I think we are a #5. Yep, structure is an open space.
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00:49:05
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So in the structures in the open space.
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Section of the code.
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00:49:13
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There were there. There are limits to how much of the open space.
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00:49:15
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In courtyards and plazas.
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00:49:20
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And paseos can be covered with structures.
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And.
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00:49:27
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And as we've as we as we've started landscape planning on some of those those.
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00:49:28
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Some of those areas want to have more cover than others and So what we're asking for is, is a site plan.
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00:49:34
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Approval process instead of a strict.
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Restriction.
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00:49:44
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On some of those percentages, so that we can look at that.
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On a case by case basis.
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Any comments or questions on that?
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00:49:53
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Yeah, we've got some examples like on.
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Here where you can see the.
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00:50:00
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That pavilion would cover, you know, a greater percentage of.
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00:50:02
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What would be termed as a a little Plaza there?
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00:50:06
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But it's in the middle of.
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00:50:10
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Yeah, that's the Transit Plaza.
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00:50:12
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And so the idea there would be to have a pavilion in the transit Plaza that could be a resting area or.
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00:50:14
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Maybe a future commercial standalone restaurant type of thing?
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00:50:21
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Um.
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But.
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00:50:26
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You know right now would would probably run afoul of the.
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Restrictions on covered area.
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00:50:30
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So just move that to a a case by case site plan.
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Basis as we're planning these different open space areas to be approved.
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At that time.
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OK.
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00:50:43
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Questions. So Morgan, do we want to provide a list of approved?
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Or just leave it up to.
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00:50:49
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Yeah, you you could. And so I mean, it could be a, you know, we could list it as.
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00:50:53
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Amenities for pedestrians.
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00:50:58
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A restaurant, 80 eateries. I mean there we or, you know, structure for variety shade.
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00:51:02
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Yeah, if you want we we we can definitely do that. It is kind of a concern like they try to get like an additional residential or
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something.
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00:51:13
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I just.
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You said non resident.
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00:51:17
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Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah.
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00:51:20
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I.
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00:51:21
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I'm fine again. Flexibility is good. We're planning.
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00:51:22
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A big open space. That's nothing there, right? And we don't know a lot of what's going to happen.
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00:51:26
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Today.
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So.
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00:51:34
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I'm more than happy to be flexible.
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00:51:34
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I just want to be flexible.
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00:51:37
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What did Ronald Reagan Reagan say? Yeah, yeah.
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00:51:39
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You know.
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00:51:44
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Yeah, I think the ideas are great. OK?
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And.
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00:51:50
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I do think we're, in some instances we've bound your creativity.
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00:51:50
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And doing this.
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00:51:55
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I'm OK with loosening those.
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00:51:56
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With some.
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00:51:59
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Guarantee the guardrails. OK. Yeah. Thank you. OK.
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00:52:01
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Work on what?
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Right.
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All right.
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They were just sitting on non residential, yeah.
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Um, OK text Amendment number?
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6.
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Because.
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Let me just get there on my computer. So this is section 3.10.50.
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And this has to do This section has to do with building materials and building siding.
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So the the 1st.
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Request is right now Architectural metal panel.
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Is in the secondary material list for architectural exteriors.
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We'd ask to move it to the primary.
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Material list, but we think there's a lot of and there's percentages in the code.
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Of what can be worked but.
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As architectural metal panels expand and become more versatile, they're becoming a larger component of the exterior facade.
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So if you look at the next slide cache, this is a.
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This is the wood looking metal panel facade.
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And for Nichiha.
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And you know, you you would think that was wood, but it's actually metal.
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And so you know, as as metal panels become.
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In greater use on exterior cladding.
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We think that it just makes more sense to move that from a secondary.
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Accent material in the code to a primary.
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Beyond the primary facade material list.
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Any questions on that one?
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OK, um C is the add fiber cement as as optionally available shutter material. If you go 2 slides down cache you'll see.
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Some examples of fiber cement shutters.
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And the fiber cement shutters.
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Are.
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More durable than more wood looking.
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There there is requirements in the code that you can't have what we call fault shutters.
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If we put shutters on the building, they have to actually look like they would work.
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For the window.
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So you know they'll still be architecturally true.
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But we should.
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We we think that.
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That that provides some optionality there with a really durable good product.
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They could match them elevations.
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Um, subsection 3.
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Let's see.
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The This is having to do with exterior balconies.
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On buildings, removing both the size and the requirement for at least 25%.
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Of the units.
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And within those two areas they have balconies.
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The reason for that is that this is just another one of those conditions that face you were talking about where.
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We're kind of artificially forcing an architectural condition that.
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May or may not match with the building style.
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That's being developed.
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So you know, as you could see from.
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Blocks 5:00 and 6:00.
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We included balconies where we thought they would be really advantageous along the pedestrian corridors and the courtyards. We
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took them off on the street conditions.
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Most of the ground floor has a stoop or a porch condition.
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And so, you know, we're still creating that porous really active.
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Environment without forcing.
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A condition with porches where they wouldn't make sense.
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That's right.
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OK. On the next one we just this was just a clean up item where?
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That said, 50% of the small single family dwellings will have porches, but we don't have any small lot single family dwellings.
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In the master plan so that that was just a clean up item.
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Subsection 7 has to do with waste containers.
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Where it says that they'll be located below ground and where we would like to add the.
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The.
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Ending to that when feasible, there's a lot of times when below Gray or or underground.
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Trash facilities and other facilities just aren't feasible, especially with the water table.
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Um, so where? Where it's not feasible. Then we would revert back to the current code.
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Which makes sure that the containers are out of public view and the minimum from 10 feet from the property line and screen, with
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landscaping so still keeping all of those protections on trash and waste.
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Containment.
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But recognizing that most of the time the trash containment and collection will be above grade.
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And we'll need to, you know, look at.
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Screening it from that standpoint.
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And for example, in these buildings we just submitted, you'll see there's a trash room, there's a compactor in there, it's covered
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and ventilated. So it's completely inside the building. And we've got valet trash for the residents there. So they'll go by and
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pick all their trash up and put it there, but and trash shoots built into the building. So it's, I mean it's all very organized,
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but it's not underground.
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Yeah, and and we think.
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It's for sustainability reasons to keeping it out of the groundwater, yeah.
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Any questions? Yeah.
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OK.
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Subsection 9 has to do with the amenity requirements currently in the.
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Code, there's a. There's a requirement that amenities are.
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Completed. There's a list of amenities.
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In the code with kind of a.
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A radius saying within a certain radius these amenities.
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You know a certain number of these amenities must be completed and another.
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A radius, A larger radius, certain amenities must be completed. This this again just goes back to just adding some flexibility
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and.
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The recognition that some of these amenities.
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In a master plan, large scale master plan are going to be.
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In other buildings or in other areas that are adjacent.
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And so.
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Changing it to say that as long as they're planned.
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Uh.
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In an upcoming development phase.
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And a bond is posted.
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That.
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That particular building would still be able to get a certificate of occupancy.
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If if the particular.
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Amenities in that one were not met.
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I guess I just wanna clarify.
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And I'm.
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I don't mean to. I don't want to be insensitive when I say this, but sure, I think that.
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What we're trying to avoid is things like.
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You know if we, if we believe in amenities coming that it's not going to be extremely delayed like maybe a park or two that we've
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experienced, right?
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So, yes, so we so we added in here the the amenity the bond wouldn't be for more than 12 months.
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And Marian, do you think that's?
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Alright.
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00:58:36
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That's 12 years before he changed. Yeah, hard, hard to hear.
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Or they wanted 12 months so they said 12 years and I ohh 12 months.
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Yeah.
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And I I think to him Jimmy might be able to speak to this but with with with amenities and and certain.
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Certain improvements to sites.
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I believe the state code requires cities to allow for for bonding.
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And so and so we've dealt with that a lot with open space and landscaping where they bond with winters come in, there might be
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like certainties like that especially with COVID and all the.
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And we still have, we still do have you know just just issues with getting material and stuff shipped so.
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And yeah, we're we're totally comfortable with family. We kind of already practiced that with our development process.
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Thank you.
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Any comments, questions?
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No.
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Right, so if we can skip down.
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Through the next set of slides, these are those were just kind of examples on the.
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Portion Paseo Conditions Section Item number 7.
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Is fencing.
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Right now, there there are.
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There there are areas in the code where they line out different types of open spaces and.
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Have different fencing restrictions on different types of open spaces.
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Ohh, what we'd like to do is modify the pension requirements to apply to the existing fencing requirements.
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Where they can't really be fenced.
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To the north Promenade of the Lake Promenade in Geneva Park.
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And but open space is defined by 3.12.
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30 and 3.1250.
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So that those ones in between which are.
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Um.
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Courtyards and plazas and paseos.
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To allow for fencing as part of the development plan.
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UM, which would be submitted to the city planner.
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So in other words, some of these.
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Courtyards, if you go to the the next thanks the next slide, this will illustrate that. So in some of these courtyards they're
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they're really incorporated into a building, they're interior to a building.
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01:00:47
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And we feel like it's important to be able to provide some security.
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And some access control to those courtyards.
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01:00:56
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Our thought is to have those courtyards be open to anybody who lives in the community through some sort of controlled access.
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But to be able to to control that access from, you know, just kind of the the.
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Maybe, you know people that are on the promenade that came in on the train and they're wandering through and looking at Paseo so
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that there is some level of security on those interior courtyards.
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The paseo would stay open. Yeah, so.
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01:01:24
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Yeah. So the paseos, they open and and there's conditions. Again this would be on a on a site plan.
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Races.
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01:01:32
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But just providing that flexibility to be able to propose it and and in certain areas where we think that it makes sense.
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For example, in some of these buildings, they're more of a U shape.
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And the courtyard opens up onto a paseo.
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And some of those courtyards are gonna be more porous and more, you know, kind of semi public.
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01:01:46
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And so fencing.
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01:01:50
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Part of that might make sense, but all of it might not make sense.
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On these interior ones, where you're where you're literally like.
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The courtyard within a building, we think that those make a lot more sense to have more access control.
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Any questions on those?
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01:02:06
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Ohh yeah.
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Sorry, just a matter of clarification. We actually changed that from city planner to site plan process.
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And so it it'll be part of the site plan process of the Planning Commission approves, right?
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01:02:24
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Morgan didn't want that kind of responsibility.
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Fancy.
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01:02:34
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We know.
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And then and then in the in the open space, we'd like to propose adding an aquatic.
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Use as it permitted. Use as subject to site plan review and approval.
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01:02:42
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And in the.
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01:02:47
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In the open space promenade area.
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Long as we have water, Ohh what is? Can you give us any idea what that means? Yeah, so So the idea would be kind of a resort style
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swimming pool, Aquatic Center.
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01:02:58
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And we've had some discussions with staff but haven't had a lot with either Planning Commission or staff because.
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Right now it's not a permitted use, so.
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01:03:11
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Adding it as a permitted use would allow us to we we've been working on some plans that.
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We think could really add.
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And.
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To to the promenade area and really activate that area.
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01:03:21
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And we'd love to have, you know, further discussions on that with some concepts that we have and some ideas on.
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01:03:24
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How do we do that with?
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The city and the other residents of the city and residents of the downtown area, and how does that all work together?
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01:03:32
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I think there there's a variety of structures there that.
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01:03:38
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We've seen work in in other locations that we can talk through and.
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And look at that as an option in that open space area.
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01:03:45
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Morgan.
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Does the site plan review?
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Process as written here. Just go through the Planning Commission.
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I I believe so. I I I I can look back at the the administrative I.
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I understand he's my guess is it will also come through the FDA. So there will be a joint. Yeah. So we'll still see it as a board,
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but yeah and I well and also anything that that's public open space, our practice is to bring it to the City Council because
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you're the board over anything that that's public. And so it'll it'll go to you kind of for your preliminary approval and then it
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goes for the like the official plan, but you'd be able to change it then. Alright.
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Yeah. Any questions or comments on that?
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That's good. OK, Section 8, item number 8 deals with temporary.
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Uses.
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And and the the temporary uses didn't specifically. I mean temporary parking probably would have fit in temporary uses but instead
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of trying to shoehorn it in we.
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Decided to be better just to line it out so that we can talk about what the city is comfortable with and what works from a
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development standpoint.
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So the the.
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Request here, kind of midway down is.
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For temporary parking lots.
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Um.
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The applicant or developer would not be required to submit a parking lot landscape plan.
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That it's that's in compliance with this section and this section is.
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The current city code.
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For this area, that has to do with permanent parking lots.
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Rather, temporary parking lots would be submitted on a simplified temporary landscaping plan.
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Showing proposed landscape locations.
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And buffering for approval by the city planner.
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And and then the temporary parking lot.
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Would need to be removed and developed and the additionally developed property would need to conform.
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To those permanent requirements within seven years of a CEO for the building that's asking for the temporary parking lot.
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And service.
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Seven years.
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Because the the idea was.
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Building.
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You know, surface parking. I mean, some places are gonna come in with structure parking right away, but places like this.
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Like the block five or six that are pushed kind of further back away from the train station and it was to phase it in and as they
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come in to do the infill development, build out the site, then they would convert that either to either to a structure parking or
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or to to a building.
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And.
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And so one thing that Planning Commission talked about in their work session and their last meeting was that if they do that, if
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the parking lot is to remain surface, so if it doesn't get upgraded to I think we.
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From the actual code, the ordinance I I put a few things like if it's a building, a parking structure or open space. So that's
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always a benefit. So if it's not one of those three things, if it stays as a surface parking lot, then there will be a requirement
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to meet the code plus 25%.
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Of of what the code is so that yeah no no, no, no, no bigger so.
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You can speak right, right. Ohh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so and so it it it so it kind of in a way it's.
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Like the the city benefits by getting even more landscape landscape than they would have got. And it kind of.
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And our punishment? Yeah, that penalizes them for for waiting too long and and for keeping it surface parking lot.
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Because we, I mean, I think it's everyone's best interest to not have a lot of surface parking, so.
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So what was the rationale for seven years?
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Buildings on top of those are next to etcetera. So it's just it's just so that we're not.
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Putting a bunch of money in that were tearing all out to redo something here in the next little while.
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But it's still, I mean for our, for us since we're going to be leasing these units and selling these units now.
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It's it's not going to look like Utah's parking lot out here. I mean no offense to them and they're great. They're great people.
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But but we're, I mean it's still going to have to be from our perspective a livable area and and so it's not just going to be.
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It's it's still gonna have some landscaping, it's just not quite to this to the level of the long term plan for the whole site.
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Hmm.
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And the idea behind the 20%, like Morgan was saying, I think, I think there was a comment by Anthony Van, I can't remember.
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Who brought it up during the working session is.
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If we wait 7-7 years and then.
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You put in code then.
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We would have had more growth.
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During those seven years, had you done it initially?
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And so.
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If we if we add 25% more to the landscaping requirements at that point, then we're kind of getting where we should have been.
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Had that growth been able to come in?
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Baby trees.
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Any comments or questions on that?
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OK.
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The next one is is text #9, which is tree branch height.
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This is this is just a clarification or or actually a change.
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On the minimum, clear branch height as as it applies to the code.
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So our.
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Our request is that we remove them the clear branch height.
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When it's.
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Used for privacy screening adjacent to buildings.
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So where we have.
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Windows and large windows along pedestrian corridors.
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And you know, a lot of times we like to to put kind of a more columnar or bushy.
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Plant in front of those windows to provide some privacy screening.
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The the code right now requires a.
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Clear branch right there would make us limp those trees up and basically expose that window.
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Well, a lot of that too is like at the end of a public St. for example, you have Windows.
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And if you don't put something there, a tree for example.
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The headlights. Headlights shine right into their units, so you'll always want to put something there so that you know, like at
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the end of the square about, for example.
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Whatever's on the other side of that, they're not going to want headlights just shining in their.
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Non-stop.
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Very limited times we'll be using this, but.
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It's important when it's informant.
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Any questions on that one?
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Um.
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I would prefer a warning.
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Where?
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Rather than taking Thank you.
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Rather than taking away.
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The purpose of that?
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Was that we implement.
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When?
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Trees or bushes are used for screening.
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There is an exception.
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So I I think that's, I mean that's what we try to do here is that we say minimum clearance height applies to trees.
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Not used for privacy screening adjacent to buildings, so so it's kind of a double negative but.
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100.
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So it's the trees along a walkway. We would still be lined up. And that's the idea. You're not smacking your head on it. And then
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you're parks and yeah, yeah, yeah, the screening stuff, right, next windows and.
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Portraits. OK, good.
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Any other comments online?
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10 is a a parking study.
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So when we.
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When we were going through the downtown code.
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And looking at how to handle parking.
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And there were. There was.
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A lot of discussion about.
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What parking was appropriate? How much parking would be appropriate in the future?
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What types of uses would would be there in the future and how to accommodate for those?
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The.
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The conclusion was that.
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There would be an option for either the city or the developer.
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To do a parking study, to reevaluate that parking at certain milestones in the future as the project built out.
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And and then that study.
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Would Uh.
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Then inform the city planner and city engineer.
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On the ability to change the parking.
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And requirements in the code.
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What we'd like to change it to is more of an objective standard.
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To where we have a qualified.
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Expert and and traffic engineer.
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Who would do those same? Do that study at those same milestones optionally.
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Either the city or the.
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Developer could ask for that study to be done.
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And we would.
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We would recommend 3 qualified traffic engineers. The city would pick one.
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And the conclusions of that study would then become.
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The table the parking table for the code.
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And so that it would be an objective standard instead of.
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A subjective standard.
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Or cause the the way the code currently reads is we do this study and then Morgan basically whatever Morgan decides goes. So if
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Morgan comes back and says you know what this study says you need.
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More parking, but I don't like parking, so I'm just going to say there's no parking required.
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The way the current code is written is that's the way it would work.
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So we just thought having.
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With and we've dealt with this in other cities where you go spend 150,000 on a parking study that's one of the best you know and
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they study all this stuff and then they take it and.
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It's like well.
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You know, I don't know about this or that. You couldn't do fences, so we couldn't depart. Yeah, that is, Yeah. As long as as
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Morgan's here, I think we're comfortable. It's just what's gonna happen. And you know, 10 years of Morgan's the governor by,
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Morgan's the governor by then and cash is the Lieutenant governor by then. And we don't know who we're dealing with. So this is
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just something for the future to.
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Have something objective in the code that knows what we can fall back on.
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And.
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Like playing devil's advocate.
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You know what? If we genuinely don't like the study, I like having a little bit of flexibility.
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You know what I mean? I what? What wouldn't you like about this study? Well, I mean.
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As you know, parking is a huge issue here in menu. We have a lot of concerned citizens. I had a citizen call me today or yesterday
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with concerns about what our, our, what our minimum requirements are on this.
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And I just.
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I I'm really cautious anytime we're talking about parking and honestly Morgan, I would love for you to explain.
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Maybe a little bit of.
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Of how?
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Perkins plan to work with even with this chart below.
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Umm.
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Yeah. Thank you.
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The so there's this was one of those and this is actually a very unique requirement that we put in place a a few years ago 2020.
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And what what I really love about about this the standard.
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Is that it's it's like a legitimate way of right sizing the parking because the city we don't want.
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Way more parking than than what's needed because from an economic development standpoint we're losing potentially on you know
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offices and and and you know just open space and that kind of stuff and and parking spaces are very expensive. So the developers
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also don't want to build more structure parking to do think 12 to $20,000 per per parking stall. I mean it can be very expensive.
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And so this is a a very unique compromise and I actually haven't seen this in any other city. So as it builds out what it provides
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is as we hit 500 units which we will for those first two Billings.
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Getting a a a parking consultant that can analyze real world conditions right on the site and say OK what is the actual parking
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need and and they they would do an in depth analysis that the engineering planner from the staff side would would review and then
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it has other thresholds 1500. So then it provides kind of another 1000 units to come on board. Then we study it again and then if
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we need to reduce or increase depending on the parking study it allows us to the right size the parking requirements all the way
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up to.
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5000 units.
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And so it's actually a a really great ordinance and I.
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You know unfortunately we we don't have that in place for some of the others, but I I think this would if this was in place, I
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want to resolve a lot of those those issues that we're having now.
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Well, the one thing, so to kind of to to your point ohh and and also I apologize.
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Get dividends to the city in the future.
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And so for kind of from that aspect, it helps the transit obviously helps the mixing of uses because you're able to capture.
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Trip. So if someone lives there they they can they can walk to, you know if there's a theater or entertainment they have a job
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there, retail, grocery store. So it provides a lot of those options. Someone driving there is able to to drive once park and
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they're able to hit many uses And so that's kind of like like like capturing trips instead of having to drive to you know to
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Smiths.
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And then you drive to the school, and then you drive to, you know, go.
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Get coffee with your friends. You're able to to park once and do a lot of that, and so because of the overall design makes the
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uses, it helps to reduce the overall parking requirement.
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And and kind of kind of you to your point too if the city doesn't agree with it, one thing that that you could put in here and I'd
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like to hear kind of what name he think of us too is.
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I I wouldn't necessarily want to want to put the the responsibility specifically on the the city planner and the city engineer to
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say we we disagree with this. You know you need to have X number of spaces per per unit. 1 way to resolve that is allowing the
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city to Commission someone else to to review that parking study.
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And I I I think that's something that you could easily build in because then you're having 2 qualified professionals.
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You know you you get your study done and then if the city disagrees with it this city planner city engineer review and they go, we
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just think it's.
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You know, they're like there's some flaws in that. We could Commission someone to to to review that.
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You know that that might be a possibility. I'd like to hear you.
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And additionally, just to add to that, I think one thing to.
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Recognize what this is that.
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Whatever the speed table is, that's the minimum required parking. And so if the city decided.
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You know what? We don't like the study. We want more parking.
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Then the city is more than welcome to contribute. The residents can all agree, hey, we're going to contribute additional tax
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resources to increasing the parking in that area. We can fund another level of a parking structure, however, however you see fit.
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I like the idea of having flexibility in the sense that.
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I'm sure whoever we hire.
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Would be great, but I have seen studies come out, be it traffic studies or parking studies, where people disagree with the
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results.
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And so I don't want to be tied down to one study if it comes back and it just doesn't seem to reflect what the needs are.
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From my from the public's perspective, Even so, I don't.
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I just want to be able to protect the city.
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If something comes out.
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I don't want to just be tied down.
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So yeah, and I think.
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Like, if this was the City Council that we were dealing with and this was the staff we were dealing with in the future, I think
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we'd be like, yeah, sure, we can agree that I think the concern with the way it's written now.
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And just not know it like.
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Not knowing what the future, who you're dealing with in the future where the Council is not reasonable and they say.
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01:19:57
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Don't we want 10,000 parking stalls per unit in here?
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01:20:04
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What you say, you say ohh well.
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That's not what any study anywhere says or anyone recommends. And that's not, and that's millions of dollars, but that's that's
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what you get a few people in the future to say. I think that's kind of more of the concern.
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I think also one thing that this really does.
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And somebody pointed this out, I think it was on council, councillors, Planning Commission, that the places you have problems in
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the city right now.
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Are parking areas that are not professionally managed?
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And I think what this does is this really makes it critical to us to get parking right.
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To make sure that we're not, that we are building ample parking because.
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The biggest, the biggest risk that we'll have in the future on this project is we're gonna own a lot of this, most of this.
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And if parking doesn't work, no one's gonna want to live there. It's gonna be a nightmare for everyone to go in and out of that.
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So we have, I mean.
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Getting parking right will be no more important for anyone than ourselves.
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Because a lot of the other areas too, that you're seeing problems with parking, it's where people have just sold everything and
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left.
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And I and I think.
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I think that this.
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Helps us in the future where like right now we're all just kind of saying we think it's this, but in the future when there's.
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You know, we're talking about doing buying a bunch of like.
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Two or three hundred cars that people share, they live in the community. They can just use it anytime.
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Because, like you use your car about 5% of the time.
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And so if we can, if we can, use that more proactively in the community.
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Like, there's a lot of these things that are going to be happening with automated cars in the future, and we just don't want to.
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We don't want to commit hundreds of millions of dollars of parking because that's the problem with this is it's not just surface
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park sales. You're going to be building all these structures that the FDA actually has reimbursing. So it's good for both of us to
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make sure we get it right and I think.
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I think the way this is written it makes it very objective.
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Now maybe there's a 10% something there that.
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But you know, if the study comes back and you disagree by 10%, up or down.
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Then, you know, I think maybe we'd be open to, we can adjust that, like if it says you need 1000 stalls and you're like, no, we
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need 1100 stalls.
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You know, but I think the concern is if we get a study back and Morgan just says.
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No.
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I don't want 10 times that amount of parking.
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Or I want no parking.
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I mean right now.
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So we're like cream build these buildings and we're gonna just.
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What do you think you know?
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Um.
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I think that's why we we like this more objective standard.
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And I think I would be comfortable if we added in some kind of leniency with.
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You know, 15%.
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Something to that extent because I.
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I just.
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I feel like you explained it well. I think it's it's a fair concern because you don't know who you will be working with.
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But I also think it's a fair concern that there might be things happening within the city that we want to try to.
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Sex. And I don't want to have my hands tied. Yeah. And I. And it's not just who we're working with, it's what the conditions are
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at the time, I mean.
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10 years ago. There's a lot of things happening now that you couldn't have imagined 10 years ago.
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And 10 years from now there's gonna be things that.
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We don't foresee right now and so.
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You know, we we want to be able to make sure that we're objective, but then at the same time.
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I understand the concern of.
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Hey, we we've seen studies by consultants in the past that.
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The developer hired and they were really one sided.
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That's why we were saying, look, we'll, we'll provide.
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You know 3 or 4 qualified individuals and you pick.
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The expert that you want to do the study, and we'll both live by the conclusions. Morgan, were you suggesting that in the current
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code how it's written to be changed? That instead of having it be to assist you to review it?
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That you would have another consultant review it. So it'd be 1 consultant that we picked that they paid for the study and then
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another consultant to tag team with them.
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And I mean this provides more and more expertise than it maybe it provides just more like a sense of kind of security to the city
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that that they have more eyeballs on it, OK. And then how did they come to a decision?
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Rock paper scissors.
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So.
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Come up with an idea and they work together. And you guys felt comfortable with that kind of a plan? Yeah. I mean, so I think
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we're gonna just kind of brainstorming here. We we don't really talk about that part of it. But I mean, we we'd be OK with that.
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We're just trying to get to something objective.
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That everybody's comfortable with with these future conditions, I think.
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I'm sorry to interrupt you. I kind of feel like that gives you the leeway that you're talking about where you're saying, hey,
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we're having struggles on this side, we'll go ahead and bring in our own expert and we come to the middle ground. Gotcha. Why
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don't we reverse it where the city picks the three and then the developer selects from that list.
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Or maybe we three decide now we pick some of the best parking consultants in the world. I think the concern there is I think
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you're talking about a horizon that's.
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You know you're looking at.
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Maybe doing these studies once city personnel changes.
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You're gonna have.
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A different group of.
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Parking experts in the state to draw from.
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What I find interesting about this too is so there's this conversation that's say we pick them, say they come up with a study.
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And then we have to adhere to that study according to how the code is written.
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Where this other one that Morgan suggested is that say they picked somebody and then we wanted somebody and it's two people going
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together to make a compromise.
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I feel like.
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I don't know which one gives you more comfort. One has two consultants and one you get to pick your consultant from the beginning.
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So I like the idea of.
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We pick one and you pick one and then maybe they work together.
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I don't know.
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And then I don't know I that doesn't call me skeptical because I I, you know my world is dispute resolution and.
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What?
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Well, that's well, that's why if I want a lot of parking, I'm gonna hire the guy from Houston, and if I don't want much, I'm gonna
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go to Portland.
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So.
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I I think we ought to have.
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I don't, I think.
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I guess what I'm saying is, in my view, it's impractical to have two.
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Experts work together.
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What if we take them? They're experts because you want their judgment.
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And.
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They are going to reach different conclusions that.
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They will.
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Jamie, what if we pick them together as a compromise? If we can't come to the table, is there a way that?
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The our City Council and the developing partner and we pick them together and we agree on the consultant. Yeah. And I think, well,
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there's two things to consider. One is who's the consultant?
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And the other is what criteria are you giving them to do their parking?
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Study. So we need to add that as we determine the scope together and the criteria.
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In this, yeah, I would. I mean, I.
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Yeah, we pick them now and we can decide like I just think.
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Right. There's been there's parking consultants event like big firms have been around for a long time and taking them now and
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agreeing on that I just the concern is like you said.
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The other thing is we're both incentivized by hundreds of millions of dollars to make sure we do this right because the city right
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now to pay for all this money.
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So.
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What do you guys think about adding wording that said, we will determine the criterion scope together and then we'll agree on the
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consultant together between our two teams?
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I think, yeah.
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And and then there's no then there, then we both agreed on the console. So whatever they say is the is the determination.
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Say that again. So we would pick the consultant together, we would determine the criteria in the scope together, and then we would
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accept the results.
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Like you would do if you went into a study together and you've all joined in together.
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So and then just on the.
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Who's on the list? And I understand Jamie's concern like you, you put, you know, you codify a consultant.
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In here on the approved list, and then they're not around in five years.
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And.
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Could we?
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Put three of them in there now and then.
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Yeah, put language in there that.
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One of one or more of those are no longer.
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Yeah, out of business. Are we picking her study?
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Tonight, yeah.
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Can you you could put that in your solicitation like the city and you guys together can write a solicitation of what you want?
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And you could. You could.
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Have it limited to three, but you could also.
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Open it up on the cities thing and say any parking expert that wants to participate in.
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And put together a proposal on this, they could, I guess, right?
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Unless there's a reason you want to limit other than no, just for just from. I mean it's quicker. Yeah. Yeah, I mean yeah, right.
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I mean then you don't have 100 you have going three guess. Alright P process right.
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I just. I don't know if we need to take more time on this. I just don't. I wanna get it right. I don't wanna just feel like we're
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having to rush for a decision right this second.
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You mean we're talking this is in the future?
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I just.
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It's a big deal, in my opinion. We're talking about millions of dollars. We're talking about working well together and we're
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talking about like you said.
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We're going to get these consultants from and how it's going to pan out. I just.
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I just don't. I'm not in any rush to make a decision without feeling comfortable about it. So I think we're going to have to carry
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on this conversation into our City Council meeting and we'll go back to that comment now. And we'll just reserve this comment for
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the public. We have to get to another meeting and we only have our Planning Commission for a select amount of time.
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Working studies, OK.
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Well, in this.
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This will go into the Planning Commission in a minute and then it'll come into the council. So we can even have that conversation.
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OK, let's just make sure that like more Planning Commission gets through the meeting.
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Alright.
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I hope you all know that I've been calling for public comment this entire time, but if you haven't, if there are any comments,
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please come to the podium, State your name and.
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Make your comments down.
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It's probably hard when I'm like looking at the audience, looking at the Planning Commission, calling out the council, apologize,
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I thought you were just asking the the Commission, so thank you for this opportunity, Daria Evans.
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Resident of Vineyard, I just have a couple questions.
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About.
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These two amendments ohh thank you Mr. Hansey for.
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Emailing me the proposals ahead of time. I appreciate that. I really liked reading it.
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And.
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The start with the the 88AUS.
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Ohh, that's not open yet. OK, OK.
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Then I'll just go to what we've been talking.
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But I've been listening to here.
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It talked about the tower heights. It says the heights are unlimited.
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What does that mean? How tall are they going to be?
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From my understanding you guys on that.
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So you may want to just stand up and answer some of these questions if you want to.
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Excuse me, sorry. So Pete Evans, so we we haven't designed.
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Most of the buildings in the.
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In the.
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Town Center area. The two that we're getting ready to submit are four stories, but there will be taller buildings.
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OK, but.
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Like you said, the Skype. I mean, there's an IMAX. No, there there there. There's no maximum height in the downtown center area.
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Like it could be 100, could be 100 stories tall.
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OK. When we're going through the paths, we're not going to see the lake at all.
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Well.
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I mean the building.
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It'll be a tower, so it won't block the entire lake.
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Well, OK.
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But but that is a good question and it's not something that's being determined in tonight's discussion. But there is no Max
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height. Yeah figure.
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It talks about having EV stations.
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Who is going to operate and maintain those electrical charging stations?
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Hmm.
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For vehicles.
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Yeah, it depends. I mean the city is is looking at adding some EV stations. We looked at at grants, we know there's a lot of
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interest in that. So we we thought about kind of that low hanging fruit, possibly trying to get some here.
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And then as as a downtown takes off, if it's if it's in the street of public St. most likely it would be like that the city would
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would oversee it if it's on private property.
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Then it would be the the private developer. We we, we have them now in the lakefront at the Town Center. So that's the HOA that
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manages theirs, that's in their parking lot. And then Divine has I believe too and they their apartment management group manages
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theirs. OK, so then So what you're saying is the city will not operate and maintain them. They will be taken over by private
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entities.
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Am I am I saying that correctly? It it depends if it's in the the public right of way or if it's on if it's in the private
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development so.
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Public right away, being in like a city street, then most likely. I mean this isn't things that have been absolutely determined.
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The city would need to like flush out those exact details, but typically if it's in the public right of way then it would be city
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infrastructure the city would maintain if it's in like a private parking lot or or a garage and it would be maintained by the, you
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know, the the developer.
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If it's on the public right away.
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Who's going to pay for that charging for that vehicle? Is the city gonna pay for it if I'm gonna be paying for someone else's
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beautiful?
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Typically they they they have advisors like a credit card there's something it's a you you'd you'd pull up and then you you'd pay
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for the you know whatever the rate. And we we've we've interviewed a couple companies that that do it and they have different
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different ways of doing it. So the city is able to basically set what what that rate is.
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Yeah, I have an idea really quick. Can somebody go back to all of the amendments? There was an executive list of amendments.
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Did you have an executive list of them amendments? It was the first slide.
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It had all of the different changes.
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I was just the users. Well, what what I was thinking is due to the timing for the Planning Commission to get through these things,
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if you wanted to talk about any of the changes in the amendments that we talked about.
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During this portion, we can answer those questions and then if you have additional questions about the Town Center, we'll take
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them during our council meeting. And so we'll divide your comments up just to get through this small portion. Can we do that?
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Ohh OK, OK.
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Unless you have any questions about what's going to be decided on the amendments.
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Just about the facade.
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The suits and things that that would be right now, yes.
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Some of these things don't look very ADA compliant.
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OK. Yeah.
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You know.
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I think it's great. Everything wants to be walkable, but there are people in the community that I live in.
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That if there isn't a handicapped parking space, they won't be able to access any of these amenities.
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I know people that cannot access the Riverwoods because.
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The parking is so far away.
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That they can't get to the bit, the venue.
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They just are very limited and I just.
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I can't see it being a vibrant community for people who are.
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Older.
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And I don't know what your your total vision is for.
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Vineyard.
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I don't know if it's really family oriented or if it's just urban professional.
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But the way that this is going.
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And.
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I've just.
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Kind of concerned because.
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I wanted to be more of a family oriented.
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And.
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That's just my thought on that and.
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Walk five and six. How many?
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Townhomes, are you wanting to put in? Can you give me a number if there are any townhomes?
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Well, that's what.
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When you were doing that with that thoughts one and two, then yeah, that was an example. He come to the microphone, please.
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Call.
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So, so blacks five and six don't include any single family townhomes they do include.
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Attached like apartment style units. OK, how many units and I think we're.
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Four or four, 54150, OK and then?
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When there was talking about.
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The parking? Hmm, it's that crossed out or two 3000 and it said And 5000.
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01:37:30
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So you're adding 2000 more. Well, we're just adding another milestone at which the parking could be reevaluated.
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01:37:38
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So you're not we're we're not adding additional.
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01:37:45
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No, there's there's no additional units added to the project. We just.
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Added another level of milestone where the parking could be reevaluated. OK, and so.
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01:37:53
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Boy, I was reading it sounded like you were adding. Yeah. Yeah. No, the only thing we've done tonight with any of these things
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here is reduce density in areas that has more density than than is currently existing. We're giving us the optionality to that.
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01:38:05
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None of these, none of these, none of these here that we've come to talk. That was all done like the height, etcetera. That was
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all done years ago. And that's just right by the train station itself. That's not the whole time. So it's not like.
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01:38:17
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You're gonna have.
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01:38:24
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Ten story buildings everywhere down there and then just real quick on the accessibility, because that is important.
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01:38:25
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I mean, what what we've shown today is a lot of stoop and porch conditions.
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Those units have.
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Have accessibility from the back.
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01:38:38
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So, so those units even though they they are front loaded, they're also rear loaded on an on a threshold entryway. So all of the
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buildings that we're designing are meet the fair housing requirements for accessibility. Thank you very much. I just say one last
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thing, one thing you said too is.
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We want this downtown area to be a place for everyone.
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We want it to be a place for everyone, no matter their socioeconomic status, no matter their age, no matter their race or gender.
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01:39:02
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We think this place downtown can be a really incredible place and needs to be designed with everybody in mind.
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01:39:08
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We're not designing this saying ohh we want this type of attendant we want.
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We want everyone to be down there. We want.
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Young people like yourself and.
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01:39:22
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People like myself there as well, OK?
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01:39:24
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Alright, well, thank you. Thank you.
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01:39:27
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OK.
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01:39:29
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And any other comments?
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01:39:30
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OK, I need a motion to go out of the public hearing.
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01:39:32
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So move down to second.
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01:39:36
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Sacrifice on favor? Aye, Alright. There is no action on this. We will move on to.
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Hold on.
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Alright.
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01:39:47
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No, we're going to move on to our lakefront for Walk Park.
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2.3.
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01:40:00
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That's why I loved it you.
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Yeah.
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01:40:03
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Ohh, we don't need it. We just need it for the public hearing. Let's do the 2.2, OK? I just wanted to get the Planning Commission
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through our staff as possible, so.
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01:40:11
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OK, yes, we're open public hearing zoning text amendment Ordinance 22.
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20/22/18.
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01:40:22
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And this is to talk about the accessory dwelling units.
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Should we?
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01:40:29
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Just real quick.
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01:40:34
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Mayor Weird Anthony who was the one that had a time constraint has gone already. We we stopped three members unemployment
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