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| Today is November 13th. The time is 5:01 PM and we're going to go ahead and start our City Council meeting. We'll start out with | 00:00:05 | |
| an invocation of the Pledge of Allegiance and Council member Marty Sequences will start us in lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance | 00:00:12 | |
| and give that prayer. | 00:00:18 | |
| Our dear, kind, Heavenly Father, we are so very grateful for this wonderful day. We are grateful that we could meet here together | 00:00:27 | |
| as a community. | 00:00:30 | |
| To work well and try to figure out how to take steps forward in our. | 00:00:34 | |
| Decisions and please watch over and protect members of our community. We're so grateful for our veterans, we're grateful for. | 00:00:40 | |
| The wonderful people that spend so much time and energy into making our city great. Please bless and watch over those in need. | 00:00:48 | |
| Help us know how to help them. We say these things in the name of Jesus Christ, Amen. All right. | 00:00:53 | |
| I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, | 00:01:03 | |
| indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. | 00:01:09 | |
| As you notice, we're missing somebody from the table tonight. Amber Rasmussen recently made a choice to go and focus on her family | 00:01:20 | |
| and we wanted to thank her for the time that she spent serving our community. She did a lot of good for the community and now she | 00:01:26 | |
| is turning in and doing a lot of good for her family and we want to thank her. She couldn't be here tonight, so we sent her gift | 00:01:32 | |
| basket and her plaque to her. | 00:01:39 | |
| And but I would like you all to join me and stand and thank her for her time. Thank you. | 00:01:45 | |
| We are so excited to hear from our library board. We will have our chair present, Julie Gray, and she's going to tell us a little | 00:02:01 | |
| bit about the board's vision for the Vineyard Library. So Julie, why don't you come on up? | 00:02:08 | |
| We really appreciate this opportunity to talk to you guys all together. So thank you for this opportunity. | 00:02:19 | |
| Our board is all here tonight, but I am going to spend the time over to Julie and Ann. | 00:02:29 | |
| Who has made the presentation for us? | 00:02:38 | |
| Thank you. | 00:02:41 | |
| Well, let me kind of give you a little background while we're booting up because that we have been functioning for possibly. | 00:02:47 | |
| Five years that we have to quietly meeting and building and our library. We are really excited about it and the board has been | 00:02:56 | |
| unbelievable in coming up with creative ideas and how to serve our community. Our vision ahead is looking for certification that | 00:03:06 | |
| we can be a political. | 00:03:16 | |
| Library which will not only impact our children, but it'll impact our whole community and bringing us together. | 00:03:26 | |
| Thank you, Julie. | 00:03:36 | |
| Julianne Tanner, she is our public relays and she has. | 00:03:39 | |
| The microphone isn't on for online. They can't. | 00:03:50 | |
| Hopefully it pulls up quickly. | 00:04:01 | |
| I'm Julie Tanner. I'm here to report on what's been happening as a library board and where we hope to go moving forward. | 00:04:05 | |
| Get you acquainted with that and just. | 00:04:18 | |
| It's a. | 00:05:07 | |
| Yeah. | 00:05:48 | |
| So hopefully that comes through OK. | 00:06:11 | |
| Hopefully it doesn't have my notes broadcasting. | 00:06:16 | |
| Excellent. OK, children reading. | 00:06:23 | |
| Awesome. OK, so we finally have an established mission. | 00:06:28 | |
| For the library board, so you know, you can read, but the Vineyard Library strives to create an inclusive and welcoming space | 00:06:32 | |
| where everyone can connect, learn and thrive together. And on the handout that I gave you, I've also included our vision | 00:06:39 | |
| statement, which is a little bit longer, a little bit more in depth and you can read it as you wish. But just so you know, the, | 00:06:46 | |
| the mission kind of the driving force of why the library board is following their volunteering, their time and their energy. | 00:06:53 | |
| To. | 00:07:01 | |
| Creating the library here in Vineyard. | 00:07:02 | |
| So the board looks a little bit man. All these fonts are way off. | 00:07:06 | |
| The the board looks a little bit different this year than it did this time last year. We've had a little bit of a change. We still | 00:07:11 | |
| have Julie Gray as our board chair, a fearless leader. I'm Julie Tanner. We have we have Christine Jeff and Mary Ann Gattis and | 00:07:19 | |
| Diana Steele. We actually have two empty seats right now. One is just a normal chair to replace Abby Ben. | 00:07:27 | |
| And one as our. | 00:07:36 | |
| Our council seats now that Amber is is not here anymore, but we we are really grateful for the contributions of Abby Bunn and | 00:07:39 | |
| Pilar Steel and Amber Rasmussen over the course of the last year before the conclusion of their service. | 00:07:46 | |
| So we've seen a lot of growth. | 00:07:57 | |
| For we're considered an emerging library and we've seen a lot of a lot of use, a lot of growth over the last year. We have 906 | 00:08:00 | |
| current patrons and this year, just year to date, we have issued 222 new cards and circulated 3529 physical books. | 00:08:09 | |
| And then that's not counting all of our digital stuff through Libby and OverDrive, which is 2335 audiobooks and 4016. | 00:08:21 | |
| Ebooks and then on top of that there are also like magazines and stuff. So people are really trying to access materials through | 00:08:32 | |
| their library membership. | 00:08:37 | |
| And according to. | 00:08:44 | |
| Valerie's communication with the state, her state and goodness, her state library connections. We are doing really well for an | 00:08:47 | |
| emerging library and I'll talk a little bit more about that later, but we're currently in the process of, you'll notice, Vineyards | 00:08:56 | |
| Children's, Vineyard Children's library, we're trying to transition to Vineyard library. | 00:09:05 | |
| Setting up well, not cutting out the children we want to be able to provide service to. | 00:09:15 | |
| Yes, to all of the members of the community and not just the youth. | 00:09:21 | |
| So you've probably been through the library. It's full. It is flourishing and we're really excited at the prospect of hopefully | 00:09:30 | |
| being included in new facilities as the city is growing and we would love to be kept in the loop with any developments there. | 00:09:39 | |
| But if you guys have not been to the library recently, you should check it out upstairs. | 00:09:51 | |
| And it's growing for quite a few reasons. | 00:10:01 | |
| We can switch the slides. Thank you. | 00:10:06 | |
| So some of the things that are drawing. | 00:10:11 | |
| People to the library. It's free, it's close in proximity, it provides a nice safe space to gather. | 00:10:14 | |
| And, and people are coming and participating in programs and making friends and we're gradually becoming a little community hub, | 00:10:25 | |
| which is exciting to see. And some of the most notable programs you can see on the calendar that I gave you. Valerie puts one of | 00:10:31 | |
| these together every month to let people know what's going on. | 00:10:38 | |
| With the library and so the toddler story time every week is a is a big hit. The bilingual story time STEM after school clubs | 00:10:45 | |
| every week. We have the science club and the coding club going on, the team game club every other week and then. | 00:10:53 | |
| It got cut off Science Saturday. Thank you. And then also participation in the other outreach programs. | 00:11:05 | |
| So. | 00:11:16 | |
| We're a small space, small resources. | 00:11:19 | |
| Small in staffing and and then funds. We've done a lot with the available resources, but we have a lot of momentum that we want to | 00:11:23 | |
| keep going. | 00:11:29 | |
| And a lot of areas where we would we have great aspirations for the growth. These are our most immediate priorities. We want to | 00:11:35 | |
| expand the digital purchases on Libby because you saw those, those were some big numbers and especially considering how limited | 00:11:44 | |
| our hours are for accessibility to physical materials, the Libby and you know the online feature really appeals to our patrons. | 00:11:53 | |
| We also would like to add devices for auditory learning, learning things like Yodo players for people who might not be as | 00:12:03 | |
| literate. | 00:12:07 | |
| Or just prefer auditory learning. That's great for kids especially. | 00:12:11 | |
| We have a proposed schedule on the handout that I gave you that was put together by Jenna that would be awesome to see within the | 00:12:17 | |
| next year, adding a couple of additional programs, something you know, for every day of the week, something for every member of | 00:12:24 | |
| the community and not just the children's story time and the youth clubs. | 00:12:31 | |
| And then we would love to expand our collections to get some new books. We get a lot of donations from community members, but a | 00:12:41 | |
| lot of them are not usable. Either they're the content is not relevant, is not going to circulate or the quality of the book is | 00:12:49 | |
| not going to withstand the use of a library book. And so a lot of the books that get contributed. | 00:12:57 | |
| Never really make it into circulation. | 00:13:07 | |
| Which is sad to see. And we've gotten some really umm. | 00:13:09 | |
| We've got some really supportive community members who have donated, namely Stacy Whitbeck, David Pierce, Orem Community Hospital, | 00:13:15 | |
| Welcome Baby, and those those donations have been incredibly helpful because it allows us to get books that are actually worth | 00:13:21 | |
| having on ourselves, things that are going to get checked out, that are going to get used instead of just getting people's cast | 00:13:27 | |
| off. | 00:13:33 | |
| And, and let's see adults, I already mentioned that we're, we're looking to see more than just the youth in the library. But then | 00:13:40 | |
| the, the most pressing area of expansion that we really need right now is actually in our staffing. | 00:13:48 | |
| Valerie wears a lot of hats, she has learned a lot of skills and brings so much value to the library. Like it would not function | 00:13:58 | |
| without Valerie's efforts. But she is one person and it's a lot for one person to handle. | 00:14:06 | |
| Especially with the growth that we're seeing and one of the areas that would. | 00:14:14 | |
| That would accelerate the growth would be to get support from the City Council, specifically with funding. | 00:14:21 | |
| And I can talk. | 00:14:29 | |
| More about that. | 00:14:31 | |
| We're currently in year 3 of the state certification process. It's a three-year process. And so we're kind of coming up there on | 00:14:33 | |
| the end. And that's significant because it would allow us to have so many more options for funding. We would be eligible for so | 00:14:41 | |
| many more grants, both state and federal and other other donors. We're currently considered a rural and emerging library. | 00:14:49 | |
| And we? | 00:14:58 | |
| We would like to. | 00:15:03 | |
| Received that full certification from the state and be recognized as a state certified library. | 00:15:04 | |
| But one of the biggest hurdles is our hours. You'll notice that we have really limited hours and it's one of our biggest areas of | 00:15:11 | |
| feedback from patrons is that they would like to be able to attend the frequent library outside of normal business hours. And | 00:15:16 | |
| right now we can't provide that. | 00:15:22 | |
| And so we specifically need to be able to provide 11 more hours of of staffing so that we can be accessible on evenings and | 00:15:29 | |
| weekends. It's one of the requirements from the state and it's one that we're really struggling to meet right now. And so it's a | 00:15:37 | |
| big hold up with this state certification. So we really need council support so that we can be more independent in the future. | 00:15:45 | |
| We also are trying to do as much as we can on our end. Christine just has been doing so much to establish the Friends of the | 00:15:53 | |
| Library. | 00:15:57 | |
| Currently. | 00:16:01 | |
| We're waiting for the IRS to approve the 501C3 status so that we can have that. | 00:16:04 | |
| Fundraising arm, and we're actively looking for staffing for that as well. So if you're interested in being on the Friends of the | 00:16:11 | |
| Library board, Christine Death is your girl. Talk to her. | 00:16:18 | |
| One second. | 00:16:26 | |
| Oh awesome. | 00:16:32 | |
| So if that wasn't an obvious enough. | 00:16:35 | |
| For funding some wisdom from Doctor Seuss. The more that you read, the more things you'll know. The more that you learn, the more | 00:16:38 | |
| places you'll go. And in a world where knowledge is power, one of the most meaningful contributions we can make for our community | 00:16:44 | |
| to our community is a well supported library. Thank you. | 00:16:51 | |
| Thank you. Thank you, Council. Did you have any questions? | 00:16:58 | |
| OK, we'll go ahead and move. Did you have something, Marty? I just yeah, please. I think we all talked about helping you with | 00:17:11 | |
| staffing at the budget retreat and it was unanimous. We all wanted to give you that support. So just so you know it, it was | 00:17:17 | |
| unanimous and you're on the radar, so. | 00:17:23 | |
| Christy, excuse me. I guess I'm wondering, it would be great to see the numbers of what those 11 hours would mean to our budget so | 00:17:32 | |
| we could put it up for the next budget amendment. | 00:17:37 | |
| 11:50 We also offered for internal staff to designate some of their time towards moving and shifting hours so that it didn't cause | 00:17:44 | |
| an additional burden. Go ahead, come, come to the microphone. | 00:17:51 | |
| Program that Jenna and I looked into called Thriving Utah, where the state would help us pay for staffing that would give us a | 00:17:59 | |
| monthly spiking so that would lower our cost to. | 00:18:05 | |
| $1000 a year. I had one other question. I'm so sorry. With the proposed weekly program schedule, do we have enough staffing and | 00:18:12 | |
| volunteers to be able to make that happen or is that contingent on the budget? | 00:18:19 | |
| So we can't necessarily do that with volunteers because it has to be an ongoing requirements. We have to do it, you know, | 00:18:28 | |
| essentially forever. So we would need to, you know, stuff like someone to do it instead of going to volunteers. OK, thank you. | 00:18:37 | |
| OK. | 00:18:48 | |
| Well, thank you so much. Such a great presentation. We're all really excited about what you guys are doing and moving forward. If | 00:18:50 | |
| you haven't had a chance to see what Valerie put together with the certification, you need to check it out. It's been really | 00:18:57 | |
| remarkable as this whole board has pulled together. I'll go ahead and move into the Kindness Week proclamation, and I'll read a | 00:19:03 | |
| little bit of it. The City of Vineyard recognizes the value of kindness. | 00:19:09 | |
| That it is performed and how these acts can positively impact. | 00:19:17 | |
| The person offering kindness, the person receiving kindness and those witnessing it. You can read more about this proclamation, | 00:19:21 | |
| but this week is Kindness Week and I hope you have the time to participate in some of the activities that are happening. This will | 00:19:29 | |
| be posted on the bulletin board, and we look forward to continuing this tradition in our community. Thank you. We'll go ahead and | 00:19:36 | |
| move on to our presentation for the Vineyard Academy graduates. | 00:19:44 | |
| Very excited to recognize you today. | 00:19:51 | |
| Awesome. All right, Mayor Council members, I'm pleased to introduce the graduates of Vineyard Academy. This group was a dedicated | 00:19:56 | |
| group who committed to an in depth eight week expiration of the cities functions, operations and services. We started at the end | 00:20:03 | |
| of August and ran through October and these individuals immersed themselves in city departments and initiatives, attending evening | 00:20:10 | |
| sessions to gain hands on knowledge and engage with city staff. And I know that I think all of you have the chance. | 00:20:18 | |
| At least one, so we're grateful to have you guys there and be able to see the work that we were doing. Graduates were also | 00:20:25 | |
| introduced to key city resources and programs, including the Children's Library, Vineyard Cares, and essential public safety | 00:20:31 | |
| services provided by the Sheriff's Office and public works. Through Vineyard Academy, graduates not only built a strong | 00:20:38 | |
| understanding of city operations, but also formed valuable connections with the teams who served in your daily. | 00:20:44 | |
| Their insightful feedback and active participation under score deep commitment to our community's growth and development. | 00:20:51 | |
| And if I could have the graduates who are here stand. | 00:20:58 | |
| All kind of congregated over here. | 00:21:04 | |
| So I recommend these graduates be considered for future service opportunities within our city such as on boards, commissions and | 00:21:07 | |
| committees as their unique perspectives and first hand knowledge will be an asset to Vineyards continued success. So give them a | 00:21:12 | |
| round of applause. | 00:21:17 | |
| Let's get pictures. Do you have certifications? Yes, I press them out. Well, let's get a picture. Yeah. | 00:21:27 | |
| Come up and take picture with Council. | 00:21:36 | |
| And I thought I wouldn't have you do anything. | 00:21:38 | |
| My best thing is. | 00:21:48 | |
| Okay. | 00:22:05 | |
| Thank you. | 00:22:11 | |
| Thank you. | 00:22:12 | |
| All right, this brings us to our public comment. This is a time to address the council for things that are not currently on the | 00:22:33 | |
| agenda. If you have something to share, please come up to the podium, state your name, where you're from, and we would love to | 00:22:39 | |
| hear from you. We have another meeting right after this one, so we're going to keep everything to two minutes. Tony's going to set | 00:22:45 | |
| a timer that will be on the screen. Please observe the clock and then. | 00:22:51 | |
| Make sure you take your seat so that the next person can have just as much time. Thank you so much. | 00:22:58 | |
| Their former members of the City Council and city staff. My first comment is if you really like what my wife has done, I owe it to | 00:23:05 | |
| Morgan because his cousin is the one who introduced us 25 years ago. So that was and we've been together since. I just want to be | 00:23:13 | |
| quick. | 00:23:20 | |
| To highlight, and I know that parking is a controversial issue. | 00:23:28 | |
| But I want to say thank you so much on behalf of the 55 plus community for what the Council did unanimously to give us the | 00:23:34 | |
| opportunity to park on a. | 00:23:41 | |
| Mallard before we even had Pinto and what Julie is passing out now is just the photos of how it looked with and it was terrible | 00:23:48 | |
| and so we had a resolution that was passed. | 00:23:57 | |
| For me, having done all the consulting work I've done for cities across the country, it's hard to understand how we can have a | 00:24:07 | |
| density of 1.5. | 00:24:14 | |
| Are 1.8 when the. | 00:24:20 | |
| What 8 there are about? | 00:24:26 | |
| Seven or eight people who live in a home, so that that makes it difficult for us to understand. And I'm speaking now on behalf of | 00:24:30 | |
| those who want more parking because one size does not fit all. And but I also want to say. | 00:24:40 | |
| How appreciative we are and we had 58 out of 59 people sign our resolution when we first parked there. So clearly that made a big | 00:24:50 | |
| difference and. | 00:24:58 | |
| So I would just like some consideration for. | 00:25:07 | |
| For developers to give us more parking. Thank you. Thank you, Mayor. | 00:25:14 | |
| OK. Well, it looks like you guys wrapped that up quickly. | 00:25:25 | |
| We're going to go ahead and move on to our. | 00:25:28 | |
| Oh please. Sorry I come up. We don't want to miss hearing from you. | 00:25:33 | |
| I just couldn't get out. | 00:25:38 | |
| OK Hi Daria Evans, Vineyard resident in the Villas. Thank you Randy for your presentation. I too want to thank Amber Rasmussen for | 00:25:41 | |
| her service, especially to our community gardens that benefited many residents and I wish her well as she moves on. I also want to | 00:25:50 | |
| say thanks to Sullivan Love and his crew. Last Thursday I was at our clubhouse and the water was off. | 00:25:58 | |
| Called Russ. The water's offered something going on. | 00:26:08 | |
| So I said I'll call the city, got ahold of them several times conversing back and forth, but all the water is back on in our | 00:26:12 | |
| village community, so I'm grateful. There you are. Also, I'm glad that Brian, where are you getting the shade sales going? That's | 00:26:19 | |
| great. I appreciate that. And also since it's kindness week, I want to give a shout out to our village community. We had a ladies | 00:26:26 | |
| luncheon yesterday and we had many donations given to the family haven. | 00:26:33 | |
| Which is a nonprofit organization that helps children and families in difficult circumstances. | 00:26:41 | |
| So go Villas, thank you. | 00:26:47 | |
| I just have a couple questions if I can. They are on the agenda. I have a question about. | 00:26:49 | |
| The budget amendment. | 00:26:57 | |
| I'm wearing another old dress because, you know, I'm a, I'm a fiscal conservative. Sorry. Are you going to be here for the budget | 00:26:59 | |
| amendment? Yes, just the question about. | 00:27:04 | |
| The road construction, was it by Maverick or was it talking about the location at the Maverick store and why is it $220,000 more | 00:27:10 | |
| and then? | 00:27:18 | |
| I don't understand bullet point #3 in the social media section. | 00:27:27 | |
| Where? Let's see if I can bring it up here. | 00:27:34 | |
| Under Section 3, the city engagement, I have a question I do not understand. Bullet point #3 official comments and hearing. Make | 00:27:43 | |
| general comments that do not relate to a social media post at a City Council meeting or e-mail them to the mayor and City Council. | 00:27:53 | |
| Members. | 00:28:05 | |
| OK. We will get that answered at the appropriate time. That would be great. Thanks, Maria. Thank you. | 00:28:06 | |
| Hi Claudia LeBron, Vineyard resident. I haven't been really up on things for a while, but I just want to take. | 00:28:18 | |
| 5 seconds to thank everybody involved in city government. I know we don't always agree, but I know this is a hard, thankless job | 00:28:27 | |
| and I just want you to know that it's appreciated. | 00:28:34 | |
| We're we're, we're moving forward. Thank you. | 00:28:42 | |
| All right. | 00:28:48 | |
| All right, we'll go ahead and move on to our oh, come on. | 00:28:49 | |
| I'm Darlene Price. I'm in the village right behind the 800 bridge that goes from Main Street and goes over to Geneva. | 00:28:56 | |
| They're bulldozing and and putting, it's flattening out that area. Is that for additional parking? | 00:29:10 | |
| Do you know where I'm talking about? | 00:29:20 | |
| OK, so if you leave the villas and you turn your head up the up and you go over the hip over that mountain that goes over the | 00:29:22 | |
| train tracks, just before you get to that, they are flattening and bulldozing a whole area right behind the condos. OK, if you | 00:29:31 | |
| could point that out on a map to Naseem after this. Oh, not right now though, Daria. I mean, Darlene. | 00:29:40 | |
| If you could point it out, we'll get that answer for you. | 00:29:50 | |
| All right. Were there any other comments? I don't want to miss out on anybody. | 00:29:54 | |
| Can you raise your hand if you plan on speaking? | 00:29:58 | |
| OK. | 00:30:04 | |
| Karen Cornelian Cornelius Fellow resident. | 00:30:14 | |
| I'm just a little concerned about our new vineyard. | 00:30:18 | |
| Grapevine, I just. | 00:30:24 | |
| I find it interesting and here again we have an optics issue. It seems as though Council Member Holdaway had a meeting with the | 00:30:27 | |
| city manager and some information was shared with him and he shared with us and then we had a new policy and Vineyard that dealt | 00:30:34 | |
| with rumors. | 00:30:41 | |
| And personally, I was offended because I don't consider what I hear from a council member who attends a meeting with city staff, | 00:30:49 | |
| who has a witness with him, to be a rumor. And so I'm concerned that that that freedom of speech is trying to be squelched. | 00:30:59 | |
| So I ask a question on the Grapevine. | 00:31:09 | |
| And I immediately got a non answer to my question. | 00:31:14 | |
| There was nothing that I asked that was answered, but now I can't find it either in the messages that I got on Facebook or on the | 00:31:18 | |
| Vine. So I just am not quite sure that I understand how this works. But I feel like the optics were really poor because at the | 00:31:26 | |
| time that it happened, it appeared to happen for a reason that is less than pleasant. | 00:31:34 | |
| The next thing I want to talk about is what's happening over in Utah City right now and as I was coming across the 800 Bridge on | 00:31:43 | |
| Sunday, returning home. | 00:31:48 | |
| The cars that are normally parked at the. | 00:31:55 | |
| Train station are not there, they are all in the parking lot for the new apartments. So if that parking lot is already full, what | 00:31:58 | |
| are we going to do when the apartments are full? This has got to be worked out. To allow a builder, a developer to have a | 00:32:07 | |
| seven-year temporary parking situation is ridiculous. We value. | 00:32:15 | |
| The aesthetics of our community and that is not aesthetically pleasing. | 00:32:24 | |
| Thank you. I'm sorry, just to quickly, just for a second, the temporary parking lot that you're talking about, can you tell me | 00:32:29 | |
| what you're referring to so I can write it down? | 00:32:34 | |
| Been paid for the apartments that have been built, which is obviously very insufficient and it's already filled with the overflow | 00:32:40 | |
| parking from the lakefront. | 00:32:45 | |
| Which is not the fault of the white friend, it's the fault of decisions that have been made by council and developers and we have | 00:32:51 | |
| got to find a way to end this. I don't know if you're aware, but there's going to be a round table. Oh, OK. Well, we'll see you | 00:32:57 | |
| there. OK, great. | 00:33:03 | |
| All right, we'll go ahead and move on to our consent items. | 00:33:10 | |
| Marty, you mentioned that we would like to take one off. Would you like to make a motion on the rest of them? | 00:33:14 | |
| And yes, I wanted to. | 00:33:30 | |
| Is that? | 00:33:34 | |
| 7.2. | 00:33:36 | |
| Yes, that's fine. Thank you. Yes, Anthony 7.2. | 00:33:40 | |
| I moved to approve. I'm sorry. I moved to adopt the consent items 7.17 point 3 and 7.4 as presented. I believe this Pause for a | 00:33:45 | |
| roll call. See. Aye, aye, Marty. Aye, Sarah. Aye. All right, let's go ahead. And those were approved. Let's go ahead and discuss | 00:33:54 | |
| 7.2. Anthony, could you come? I know we just or bring up your. | 00:34:02 | |
| Board chairs. | 00:34:11 | |
| Mayor, did you have a second on that motion? | 00:34:16 | |
| Oh, oh, I don't know who did the first. I did the first. OK. We had a first by Marty. Can I get a second, second, second by Sarah, | 00:34:19 | |
| and then we'll do the roll call again, just for clarity. OK. Yes. Hi, Marty. I'm Sarah. Hi. All right. Thank you for that, Jeremy. | 00:34:26 | |
| All right, thank you very much. My name is Anthony, and I would like to introduce you to the chair of the Bicycle Advisory | 00:34:32 | |
| Commission. | 00:34:39 | |
| That is about to change the name. | 00:34:46 | |
| From the BAC to ATC, which is going to be the Active Transportation Commission. I'll let the chair speak a lot more about it and I | 00:34:49 | |
| urge you all to listen to him and support him. Thank you, thank you. | 00:34:56 | |
| All right. Good evening, everybody. I know in an effort for more transparency, sometimes the consent items, not everyone is aware | 00:35:03 | |
| of what's going on in those. So I wanted to make sure that we were very clear in this. We currently have the Bicycle Advisory | 00:35:10 | |
| Commission. We recognize that not everyone likes to ride a bike or not everyone does bike, but we are proposing to change that to | 00:35:16 | |
| the Active Transportation Commission and it would include things that's a little bit broader scope like safe routes to school. | 00:35:23 | |
| Making sure trails and ramps are 88 accessible, those types of things that would impact all of us. | 00:35:30 | |
| And so it's not just people that want to hop on their bike that could come to these meetings. We want to make sure that it's a | 00:35:36 | |
| place where if there are unsafe intersections or crosswalks needed in certain places, this would be a great location to start by | 00:35:42 | |
| sharing your concerns. Certainly they can still come to City Council, but it might be a little more focused of a of a group to | 00:35:48 | |
| talk about some of those active transportation and pedestrian related issues in the city. | 00:35:54 | |
| Also wanted to to call everyone's attention. I think Anthony Fletcher set some back there. We adopted our. | 00:36:01 | |
| 2025 schedule for next year, and we'd encourage everyone to get involved there. We typically don't have crowds like this and we're | 00:36:08 | |
| not necessarily looking for crowds like this, but if you do have questions around pedestrian safety, bicycle safety, those types | 00:36:14 | |
| of things, you can leave parking for the City Council that can handle that. | 00:36:21 | |
| But we, we'd love to, we'd love to help that. Although I will say, the more that we can get this right, it could alleviate some, | 00:36:29 | |
| some needs for people to, to hop in their car in some situations. And then the last thing that I wanted to call out is that | 00:36:34 | |
| Martina Huntington was just elected as the chair for 2025. Sounds good. | 00:36:40 | |
| A key aspect to it, if you're not aware, we actually have an at large member on the bike Advisory Commission now, active | 00:37:15 | |
| Transportation Commission who's from Bike Utah and is connected with Mag in a lot of the active transportation plans and they're | 00:37:21 | |
| excited about leading the way with Vineyard. As far as he knows, there weren't any cities in Utah that had a full comprehensive | 00:37:28 | |
| plan with this. And so we can kind of be pioneers in this area so. | 00:37:34 | |
| Great. Thank you. All right, Council that can I get a motion? Yeah, I moved to adopt. | 00:37:41 | |
| The consent or not consent 7.2 as presented. Can I get a second? Just to clarify, this will be ordinance 2024. | 00:37:49 | |
| 7.2 Ordinance 2024-15. Can I get a second, Second. All in favor? It's an ordinance, Jake I, Marty, I, Sarah. All right, we'll go | 00:38:00 | |
| ahead and move to our public hearing for the FY25 Budget Amendment Resolution 2024, Dash 32. What I'm going to do is have us go | 00:38:08 | |
| into a public hearing. | 00:38:17 | |
| And then we'll have the discussion, we'll go have a public hearing, and then we'll make a motion. Can I get a motion on this one? | 00:38:26 | |
| You may want to do the items on the agenda out of order. So we have the budget hearing after 6:00 PM. | 00:38:31 | |
| Oh, OK. What time is it right now? | 00:38:38 | |
| 540, you're quicker than we anticipated. OK, let's go ahead and. | 00:38:42 | |
| Public hearing again, but the 9.2 doesn't have to be at 6:00 PM or does it? Because we've noticed it as well. Both the budget | 00:38:49 | |
| hearing and the fee schedule hearing should be OK. Let's go ahead and talk about the social media policy amendment. I imagine this | 00:38:54 | |
| one will be brief as well. | 00:39:00 | |
| And then maybe we can take a recess. | 00:39:07 | |
| I think I'm doing this presentation together with Jenna Hearn, who's in the back, as a resource to answer questions. | 00:39:13 | |
| We had a work session I think a few months ago now where we presented the social media policy. The the history and the need for | 00:39:19 | |
| this is about a year ago. | 00:39:25 | |
| Can you hear me better now, Karen? Is that improved? Thank you. About a year ago, we had some social media activity that related | 00:39:33 | |
| to city business. That was, I'll just call it a little bit sharp. We had some people mention things like maybe now's the time to | 00:39:40 | |
| exercise our Second Amendment rights referring to public officials, elected officials and the city did not have in place of social | 00:39:47 | |
| media policy that would allow it to deal with that type of comment or that kind of behavior on social media. | 00:39:55 | |
| So what we have put forward is a policy. I think there are some things in the policy that are really important and I think the | 00:40:03 | |
| best way to address it so there can be no confusion is to read just a few sentences from the policy and then I'll outline a little | 00:40:10 | |
| bit of what it what it presents. I'm reading from Section 2. It's on page one of the policy. The city's social media properties | 00:40:17 | |
| are public, meaning all comments are publicly visible, accessible. | 00:40:25 | |
| Search engines and classified as public records under state law, Commenters on the city's social media posts enjoy First Amendment | 00:40:32 | |
| rights. In following the law, there may be times when what some people perceive to be offensive comments will remain visible on | 00:40:39 | |
| the social media posts if such comments are legally protected speech. And then we go on to ask people to please be understanding | 00:40:46 | |
| that the posts are intended for a broad audience. | 00:40:52 | |
| That may include children, may include people underage and that they behave in a respectful way. | 00:41:00 | |
| The city is limited in what it can and cannot moderate on social media. You're we're limited both by how the platform functions, | 00:41:05 | |
| but also by the 1st Amendment rights that people enjoy when they interact with the city in that way and so. | 00:41:12 | |
| We have in the policy a bulleted list on the bottom of page one, the top of page 2 that goes through the categories of behavior on | 00:41:21 | |
| social media that would require some kind of moderation to respect all of the users of that. I'm going to touch on the high | 00:41:28 | |
| points, but this isn't an exclusive list. The kinds of comments that we can't allow to remain are things that are discriminatory. | 00:41:35 | |
| So any reference to an individual's. | 00:41:42 | |
| Age, race, gender, sexual orientation. | 00:41:50 | |
| Things of that type, anything that is slanderous or defamatory, Anything that is advertising or commercial activity on a post, if | 00:41:53 | |
| it's fraudulent or illegal, if it's spam or contains malware, if it has a hyperlink to anything other than a city website, we | 00:42:00 | |
| can't allow that. If there's a copyright infringement. If the post includes personal or private information about an individual. | 00:42:08 | |
| And then finally. | 00:42:15 | |
| If there's some kind of safety issue or some kind of threatening behavior on the social media post, we also want to have in place | 00:42:22 | |
| a process so that if a post is moderated, a record of that is preserved and the individual who's common is moderated has an | 00:42:29 | |
| ability to appeal and have an appeal heard about the moderated comment. So there's an appeal process where if somebody's comment | 00:42:36 | |
| is moderated and they think that it's done. | 00:42:43 | |
| Against what the policy calls for. | 00:42:50 | |
| They can ask for that to be removed and for the to be reviewed and for the policy to be, or for the comment to be reinstated or | 00:42:53 | |
| made public again if the city was an error in that action. | 00:42:59 | |
| And then Daria in the public comments asked the question about there's a, there's a portion of the policy that is instructive to | 00:43:07 | |
| people that are using city social media. We don't so often on social media comments, the city will find that people use that as a | 00:43:15 | |
| place to identify either hazards in the community or things that might require work or attention in the community. And. | 00:43:24 | |
| Social media posts are not the city's main. | 00:43:34 | |
| Forum or location for those kinds of things. And we are, we're concerned that if we don't have something in the policy that | 00:43:38 | |
| directs people to the right location, that folks might use it as a place to report an emergency or to report a crime or to report | 00:43:44 | |
| a safety hazard on the roads or sidewalks. | 00:43:50 | |
| And so and then the other category of things where we need to have official comments come through in official ways is there are | 00:43:56 | |
| some things under state law that require a public hearing and public hearings can receive comments in writing. And we will never | 00:44:05 | |
| use social media as the form of record for things like a budget hearing of fee schedule hearing, land use hearing. | 00:44:13 | |
| All of those kinds of things would be directed to. | 00:44:23 | |
| The proper venue for that. So that third bullet that Daria pointed out where it says official comment slash hearing is intended to | 00:44:27 | |
| direct people that if it is an item for which the city has to hold an official hearing and receive comments in that way, social | 00:44:33 | |
| media will not be the the forum for those official comments. And so if you're making comments on social media and you want them to | 00:44:39 | |
| be heard by decision makers as part of that process. | 00:44:46 | |
| They'll need to be submitted in the way that they're called for. | 00:44:53 | |
| Through that process. | 00:44:56 | |
| Have any follow up questions on that? | 00:45:01 | |
| Cancel Do you have any questions? | 00:45:04 | |
| OK, I need a motion. | 00:45:09 | |
| I move to adopt resolution 2024-26, amending the city's social media policy as presented. OK, that's the first time already. I | 00:45:11 | |
| need second, second, second by Sarah. This is done by resolution sake. | 00:45:19 | |
| All right, I'm Marty and Sarah. Great. | 00:45:28 | |
| Where are we at on time? | 00:45:33 | |
| OK, let's take one minute each to share our council duties and or what you'd like to see on the next agenda and then I think that | 00:45:37 | |
| will bring us right to. | 00:45:43 | |
| This discussion. | 00:45:52 | |
| I'm going to say I should write. I should be writing down all the things that happen. | 00:45:59 | |
| In between, but I know we've talked about changing the agenda to try to get it seven days in advance and so. | 00:46:04 | |
| I had a meeting with the mayor and Pam and we we talked about the possibility of trying to get that earlier. | 00:46:12 | |
| Pam reached out to multiple cities that are, you know, growing like ours and have a lot on their agenda. And it seems kind of | 00:46:21 | |
| unanimous that that the take away was. | 00:46:26 | |
| If you get it out too far ahead of time. | 00:46:33 | |
| There will be so many amendments that people will get frustrated and so. | 00:46:36 | |
| So one thing that they started in January, I didn't realize that that was new, was introduced to work sessions where where | 00:46:41 | |
| anything we have questions on, we can request a work session to learn more about. | 00:46:46 | |
| And then also that we have the right to take anything off the consent that we want. And so if you, I don't know that it's | 00:46:51 | |
| realistic to say we could do seven day advance agenda just because there's so many moving parts right now. But if there's | 00:46:58 | |
| something that you see on the consent items that you're concerned with, you can reach out to any of us on the council and we can | 00:47:04 | |
| postpone or if we have questions, we can postpone it, right? So so we have. | 00:47:11 | |
| Some tools that we can use. | 00:47:19 | |
| To make sure that we all feel confident with with what's on the agenda. So I wanted to let you know that and the new fire station | 00:47:22 | |
| start is starting. So that's exciting Firehouse. So that's super exciting. | 00:47:29 | |
| There's been a lot that's happened that was cool. I was there by myself, but still cool. So, so many cute little kids and such a | 00:47:38 | |
| great community. | 00:47:43 | |
| Activity that brought everybody together. It was very fun. | 00:47:50 | |
| Oh yeah, well, you know, it's a glorious parking round table. Immediately after we've we've gone, I've had multiple meetings with | 00:47:56 | |
| with staff and cash and we've gone over and over ideas that we think might work citywide. So it'll be nice to have this roundtable | 00:48:02 | |
| where we can hear. | 00:48:08 | |
| Your ideas and your feedback and propose some things that we thought that might solve the problem. So anyway, we're excited about | 00:48:14 | |
| that. | 00:48:17 | |
| Who do you like to go? | 00:48:24 | |
| OK, sorry. OK, So big things happen on November 5th, there were two things that greatly affect our city. First of all, Proposition | 00:48:27 | |
| 10 passed and thank you so much for the community support on that. I think it's it's going to be really great for Vineyard City to | 00:48:34 | |
| have our change of government to to have an an additional council member and just change the the format and how our legislative | 00:48:42 | |
| body works. | 00:48:49 | |
| We just for those of you that might not know it will it will go into effect January 2026. So it will have, we'll have an election | 00:48:57 | |
| November 2025 that will include 1/3 council seat and that that third council seat actually will only be a two year term. And so if | 00:49:05 | |
| you take third you get that two year term and would need to run again in two years while the first two seats would be a four year | 00:49:12 | |
| term. | 00:49:19 | |
| And the reason we did that was to keep it balanced so that we didn't have a surplus of people of candidates every two year cycle. | 00:49:27 | |
| So we'll have three seats. | 00:49:31 | |
| Each cycle. So that's really exciting. That would go into effect with our new mayor. It would be a new council. | 00:49:37 | |
| And again, I'm just really excited that we were able to pass that through. The other thing that greatly effects our city that | 00:49:44 | |
| passed on November 5th was. | 00:49:49 | |
| The two interlocals that were proposed within Alpine School District, the West Side and the Central District, both passed. It's | 00:49:56 | |
| interesting if you look at the precincts and how they voted, but they both did pass and. | 00:50:05 | |
| It kind of leaves Vineyard in a unique position. The laws have changed so many times throughout this process that there's a | 00:50:14 | |
| there's quite a few unknowns, but I want you to understand that Vineyard. | 00:50:21 | |
| It's, it's fair to presume that Vineyard City and the remaining cities that were not a part of an interlocal will be joining as a | 00:50:31 | |
| school district. And we are currently meeting with them. We've been in touch with our council, with their mayor, city managers and | 00:50:39 | |
| attorneys and we're we've been in touch with the other cities and Alpine School District and we're discussing all of the steps. | 00:50:46 | |
| I've commented and responded to some questions on social media and frankly. | 00:50:55 | |
| Every time I comment something I'm told, oh, no, it's changing or no you don't. What I told you actually isn't accurate, not from | 00:51:00 | |
| our attorney, from other people, city City Council members from other cities. So I'm not going to give you all the details and | 00:51:07 | |
| tell they're hammered out a little bit more. So I'm not sharing in accurate information. The oh, but if you have questions, please | 00:51:14 | |
| contact me. I'm willing to answer and give you the information I currently have. It's just. | 00:51:21 | |
| Know that it could change. And then the other thing, umm, actually I think that was it. | 00:51:29 | |
| That's great, Jake. | 00:51:36 | |
| Yeah, I don't have too much, but I do have a couple of things. | 00:51:39 | |
| As you guys know, I'm really concerned about the City Hall and the RFP. I, I do not believe that that should be processing and I | 00:51:46 | |
| don't and working as I know it's not out on the street yet until our citizens understand the bonding and the finances on that. I | 00:51:52 | |
| was able to sit down with a financial expert today at a Brigham Young University that does this in depth to kind of help me | 00:51:59 | |
| understand and wrap around. | 00:52:05 | |
| Potential numbers of what it is just if it were 'cause I know. | 00:52:12 | |
| I I struggle with the process that we're following because we're going, we're using city staff time right now. | 00:52:17 | |
| To develop the RFP. | 00:52:26 | |
| Once we put it out on the street, then we're going to select the vendor and then we're going to spend $1,000,000, right? And then | 00:52:28 | |
| for citizens, I don't know. | 00:52:32 | |
| And you know, there's just so much and I and I don't fault Eric, but as even just within the last six weeks. | 00:52:38 | |
| More information is still being put together and it changes like are they bonded, are they going to bond? Are they going to pay | 00:52:46 | |
| for it or are they going to be tenants? And just I was able to wrap around 2 numbers that I think is really scary, which is if | 00:52:52 | |
| we're, if we are going to have a tenant on the 3rd tenant. | 00:52:58 | |
| And Mag is only going to be able to doing, you know, 8 million in cash board, you know, you're looking at a $22 million bond. | 00:53:06 | |
| A $22 million, a 20, just let's say that we had a AAA rating, which I don't know our rating, but let's say we have the best in the | 00:53:14 | |
| world. | 00:53:17 | |
| We're looking at a $1.4 million payment annually and right now we're only paying 60,000 to rent. | 00:53:23 | |
| And that's like, that's like building a fire station every year just on the just on the payment. | 00:53:32 | |
| Now, if we were to get a tenant that they were to miss a year here or there over the course of that 20 years, you're still looking | 00:53:38 | |
| at a 700 thousand $700,000 payment on something that is just extremely. So you're putting all the marbles in that without first | 00:53:45 | |
| going to the voters. And so I'm really concerned because there are two types of bonds. There's a general obligation bond which | 00:53:53 | |
| would allow our citizens to vote on if they want it. | 00:54:00 | |
| I think that really is the only path that we should pursue because it, I mean, being that it is the largest project we've ever | 00:54:08 | |
| built in the city, that citizens should ask if that's what we want. Cuz that's basically what we'll be paying for in the next 20 | 00:54:15 | |
| years and not much less in my opinion. Or there's a council vote where only five of us would be doing that. Also, just to put in | 00:54:22 | |
| context, because of the, you know, I know we had some battles on the budget where we all agreed that. | 00:54:29 | |
| There was no, I mean, I didn't, but you guys agreed that there was no more. | 00:54:37 | |
| Ability to cut. | 00:54:41 | |
| You know, I wanted that. Hey, are you guys OK with this? And that was left off. | 00:55:14 | |
| I know Jamie, you promised that with Eric and everyone. | 00:55:19 | |
| Go ahead, Eric. | 00:55:24 | |
| Jamie, we asked Jamie to prepare a resolution for that and it was simply a clerical error that it didn't end up on tonight's | 00:55:27 | |
| agenda. So it it will be the resolution will be on the meeting for the 20th. | 00:55:33 | |
| When you asked about it earlier today and I looked at the agenda, it was a. | 00:55:40 | |
| Supposed to be on there, but because we can't add things last minute, that will be on the agenda for the 20th. So come, come learn | 00:55:45 | |
| about it. It'll be a resolution that essentially is just describing the intent of the council to pursue the design work for the | 00:55:52 | |
| City Hall, which was budgeted in the in this year's budget. | 00:55:59 | |
| Subsequent discussions about the the funding of the actual City Hall will again come back before the public. | 00:56:08 | |
| For a in depth conversation that's six to eight months out. Once we have the designs kind of towards the tail end of that design | 00:56:16 | |
| process, we can get clear cost estimates and then we will engage with our financial consultant who will propose to us the best or | 00:56:24 | |
| recommend to us the the best bonding. | 00:56:32 | |
| Form to fit within the budget and that will be a formula driven type budget assessment based on revenue streams that the city has | 00:56:41 | |
| so that that will be an affordable. | 00:56:46 | |
| Option or it won't be a good option at all and so that process will take place and there will be. | 00:56:52 | |
| Numerous points down the line overtime for the. | 00:56:58 | |
| For you the public to learn about that, hear about it and for council to learn about that as we go. Right now it wouldn't be | 00:57:03 | |
| possible for us to be assessing what that bond looks like because we are not at the point where we have the specific details about | 00:57:11 | |
| the cost and so forth. So expect that at subsequent meetings that will be a public discussion just like the 1:00 tonight. | 00:57:18 | |
| Perfect. I would just add that. | 00:57:28 | |
| I don't think that order of operation is is clear and as good because I believe we should be understanding if it is something we | 00:57:30 | |
| want to do because it's easy to get the numbers. It took us maybe 30 minutes to figure out. | 00:57:36 | |
| Ballpark, and those are the best ballpark that is if we get the incredible bond rating that Orem City has, that is under the | 00:57:43 | |
| condition that we're not adding 2,000,000 for MAG. That is understanding that we are right on the $30 million budget which they | 00:57:50 | |
| looked at. I mean many people looked at and said hey, this is going to go over budget that that cost is a year old in terms of | 00:57:56 | |
| things. So those numbers could go much higher, but. | 00:58:03 | |
| My next thing is is in talking about the. | 00:58:10 | |
| Vineyard Grapevine. | 00:58:14 | |
| I'm a big. | 00:58:16 | |
| Proponent of freedom of speech there's a couple of issues that I have with it and I think I'm grateful that the citizens can now | 00:58:19 | |
| speak through open comments I wish that would have been faster, but I. | 00:58:25 | |
| I worry about and I've seen the posts that are put up by our staff, by the citizens submitting it through staff. The citizens | 00:58:32 | |
| verbiage has been changed and altered. So it's not, that's not what they're saying. It's being viewed and alter saying hey, this | 00:58:38 | |
| is a parking discussion and we're answering that. | 00:58:44 | |
| #2 some things are not being posted already. Citizens have already said they've submitted it and it's not. So who is choosing what | 00:58:50 | |
| we publish and what we don't and having that filtered? | 00:58:55 | |
| Three, the mayor and executive staff get to be the ones that view the comments, but I as as as the legislative side, don't have | 00:59:01 | |
| live access to see what is coming in and comments and rumors, so I'm excluded from being able to see it. | 00:59:08 | |
| And then four, social media already provides an open-ended way to be able to have a two way form that's free. So paying for and | 00:59:16 | |
| developing a website where we're already belabored and struggling financially. And I just wanted the council to know that I | 00:59:24 | |
| disagree with that approach. I think that everyone knows Instagram, social media, you know, Facebook, Twitter, the main 3 so. | 00:59:31 | |
| And then the last thing that I would say is on the school district split, I think we saw this coming through. I mean, I did and | 00:59:41 | |
| I'm a little bit concerned because I haven't been in any meetings and I want to be in meetings. And I know that you were able to | 00:59:48 | |
| go and meet with the mayors of of all the other mayors and whatnot and just it is a big thing because. | 00:59:56 | |
| You know, a lot of people saying our tax is going to go up. Are they not? And being able so that I can participate. | 01:00:05 | |
| As I haven't been in any or also the citizens ability to listen in as well. So I asked the council to restart those so that So | 01:00:12 | |
| what will happen to your information is that they will they'll meet together and they'll get on the same page and they'll get all | 01:00:19 | |
| of our responsibilities and duties together for what we're obligated to do. And then we will bring that to the council. And then | 01:00:27 | |
| as that time comes, you can start going through that and sharing it with the residents and you can always. | 01:00:34 | |
| Briefings from our city manager and our city attorney, and then when it's time to start meeting, we will. But right now they're | 01:00:41 | |
| just going over. | 01:00:45 | |
| Legal logistics and I understand that and I would just say, and I key on the word that you said obligated. I don't think the work | 01:00:51 | |
| that we should only do the minimal of what's obligated. But you know, there's multiple meetings where two of us can be. I know | 01:00:57 | |
| Marty, you've held meetings with just you and the mayor. And it's like I'm I'm screaming to say, hey, can I just sit in the wall | 01:01:03 | |
| since two of us are not a quorum. And I just want to point out that. | 01:01:09 | |
| I'm not being afforded those opportunities, right? Well, with this particular meeting, we have to go through these meetings to get | 01:01:15 | |
| on the same page with other cities. But like I said, you're free to meet with the city manager and our lawyer and they can always | 01:01:24 | |
| facilitate meetings for you so that you can get the same answers and questions and the same things that are happening. | 01:01:32 | |
| As you, as you take the time to take those meetings, I, I agree. I just wanted to make it a point that I asked to be on them and | 01:01:41 | |
| be involved. I, I don't sit on any boards. I don't sit on any committees in the city. | 01:01:47 | |
| And I asked to be in different meetings to the fly on the wall and I'm not allowed to. And I just feel like, you know, I was voted | 01:01:53 | |
| in to be able to. | 01:01:58 | |
| Represent the cities and I are citizens and I kindly ask in a nice way and I know there's disagreement but just wanted to document | 01:02:03 | |
| that. | 01:02:06 | |
| Jake, I get it. I have had there's been committees and meetings that I wanted to be a part of, but which is another reason why I'm | 01:02:14 | |
| looking forward to our form of government change which would allow two council members and the mayor attend meetings. So we're not | 01:02:20 | |
| breaking Okma, but. | 01:02:26 | |
| I want to tell you that. | 01:02:33 | |
| There's been a few meetings, there's been a lot of conversations, but I will do my best to report to you and. | 01:02:37 | |
| There will be meetings where we're all participating, I'm sure as we move forward because this is a big decision that we won't be | 01:02:46 | |
| able to make without legislative approval. And so there's a lot to look forward to. It's just right now there's so there is just | 01:02:53 | |
| really figuring out what the law is saying. And it's hard when the state keeps adjusting things and there's some some laws or some | 01:02:59 | |
| ordinances or codes, I guess that contradict each other. | 01:03:06 | |
| From my perspective. | 01:03:13 | |
| So there's just a lot to figure out and so. | 01:03:16 | |
| I, I'm not trying to speak for the mayor, but you will get to participate in this and if you have questions or want to talk to | 01:03:19 | |
| other City Council members, you have the ability to do that and I don't think. | 01:03:25 | |
| You, you imply that there have been a lot of meetings. I know the one that we all went to in Orem City, and I know a City Council | 01:03:31 | |
| person invited me to one and Cedar Hills, but I only know of one other one. So it's not like you're excluded. There's been so few | 01:03:39 | |
| because everybody's trying to figure out what's happening, right? I know. Well, we all have responsibilities too. So when your | 01:03:46 | |
| responsibility comes to the table, we make sure you're there. | 01:03:53 | |
| And if you're not given an appointment for whatever reason, you haven't been given the appointment. If you do in a meeting, we | 01:04:00 | |
| always welcome you and facilitate those meetings with you so that we don't break OPA. And so we do it in the right order so that | 01:04:07 | |
| we can provide the most transparency and follow the law. So right now with three votes, we can just notice it. And I notice the | 01:04:13 | |
| notice was put together so fast today, like in a 5 minute period. | 01:04:19 | |
| And right now it just takes three votes to make it a public meeting and allow me to be involved in any of those. And even then? | 01:04:26 | |
| So, Marty, you have the power right now with three votes, What are you asking me to hold? Any meeting that we need to other | 01:04:33 | |
| council members? | 01:04:37 | |
| No, I know and they don't, they don't want me there. No, no, no, no, no, they might not want to make it a public meeting, right. | 01:04:42 | |
| So I'm a lot of times I'm invited to these meetings and they specifically have, you know, they're when I'm invited to a meeting as | 01:04:49 | |
| a council member, then I let the mayor know and if she wants to attend. | 01:04:56 | |
| We leave that seat available to her. I was able to invite Sarah to 1 and I can't just, if they invite me to a meeting to discuss | 01:05:03 | |
| logistics, I'm not going to say, well, I want 3 member. I want this to be a public meeting. It's not it doesn't work. And I'm not | 01:05:09 | |
| asking them to vote or whatnot. What I am saying is, is that I know of two meetings where you attended alone, Marty and the mayor. | 01:05:15 | |
| You attended a loan with the mayors and I beg to be there. And I just wanted to make sure that being excluded from those is just, | 01:05:21 | |
| it's like. | 01:05:27 | |
| I want to be as a fan of all, to learn, well, no other council members that I'm aware of related to the mayor's meetings because I | 01:05:33 | |
| would have liked to be there because that's my responsibility. Well, in those efforts, for whatever given reason, the ball is | 01:05:40 | |
| dropped and the opportunities are not given. And so I just wanted the citizens to know that I wait, you know, I was voted in just | 01:05:47 | |
| like anyone. I don't need to be treated last time. I know I'm a different boy. | 01:05:53 | |
| That I'd like to go to too, but I have to depend on her and trust her. | 01:06:01 | |
| That she's gonna follow up with me and that she's gonna represent the city. Well, like I'm, I'm very interested in transportation | 01:06:05 | |
| and the railroad and about Sarah's area of expertise or responsibility. So I don't get to attend those. And I'm, I understand we | 01:06:10 | |
| have different responsibilities. So to be fair, I think I kind of inserted myself in a lot of places because I didn't know very | 01:06:16 | |
| much and I really wanted to learn my job and do it well. And so I've, I've literally asked for almost all of the meetings that | 01:06:22 | |
| I've had. | 01:06:28 | |
| So it's not like anyone's been excluded. It's just I need to learn this. I want to understand this. Who can, who's best to teach | 01:06:34 | |
| me about that, Right. So, and, and I get that, Sir, that I'm sure they do that for you too. | 01:06:39 | |
| I know that's your experience and that experience has not been of mine. I asked for certain things and then I call the people | 01:06:47 | |
| directly and go around the staff to be able to make my meetings possible sometimes. So I just want to make sure that's a different | 01:06:53 | |
| experience and I'm grateful that your experience is that way, but that's not mine. | 01:06:59 | |
| I don't want to take time in the meeting if it's not necessary, but if it would be helpful, I'd be happy to give kind of a a broad | 01:07:07 | |
| stroke overview of the school district where the change is. Sure. Yeah, I think that would be great. Conversations are right now | 01:07:12 | |
| so. | 01:07:17 | |
| There's the laws, kind of from a lawyer's perspective, this is a really fun problem because I don't know that it's come up before, | 01:07:22 | |
| but it but it makes it messy. The law contemplates a school district separating once. | 01:07:29 | |
| It doesn't. I don't think it contemplates a school district separating twice at the same time. | 01:07:37 | |
| And So what has ended up happening is with. | 01:07:44 | |
| Several of the cities coming together to form their own district and another group of cities coming together to form our district. | 01:07:48 | |
| Linden, Orem, Vineyard, and Pleasant Grove are left with being what the law calls a reorganized new school district. It's | 01:07:55 | |
| important to note that the cities do not run the school district and are not the school district. But what will happen over the | 01:08:01 | |
| next? | 01:08:08 | |
| Year. | 01:08:16 | |
| To two years is that the new school district will take shape and it'll take shape in phases. So right now we're still waiting for | 01:08:17 | |
| the election results to be certified. We have a good idea of where the vote went right on all of this, but we have to wait until | 01:08:24 | |
| the county clerk certifies the election before certain things can start happening and moving. The first few actions on the | 01:08:31 | |
| formation of the reorganized new school district that will include Vineyard. | 01:08:38 | |
| Will be done by the county. | 01:08:46 | |
| They'll begin the process of organizing the boundaries of the district, creating boundaries for the board seats within the school | 01:08:48 | |
| district. | 01:08:53 | |
| And the rough deadlines for those things we do have a pretty good idea of because the statute, at least on those points is clear | 01:08:59 | |
| that in April 2025 is when you'll see the redistricting and then fall of 2025 you'll have a school board election. It'll follow | 01:09:06 | |
| the same cycle as the municipal election, the same primaries, the same deadlines for submitting candidacy and then of course the | 01:09:13 | |
| vote in November along with. | 01:09:20 | |
| The municipal election in January 2026 is when the new school board will be seated. | 01:09:28 | |
| For this new school district, and then there is a long period of identifying assets and liabilities and then arranging for the | 01:09:35 | |
| transfer of those assets and liabilities and for the new district to stand itself up so that it can provide educational services. | 01:09:43 | |
| And the time frame for that runs from roughly January 2026 when the new school board is seated. | 01:09:51 | |
| To July 1, 2027. Now there's one really important strategic point that I hope the public understands. | 01:10:00 | |
| Vineyard had an opportunity to enter into an MOU to try to form its own school district to engage with these different groups in a | 01:10:08 | |
| number of different ways. One of the choices the law provides for us that in my view is a massive benefit for being the | 01:10:16 | |
| reorganized new school district and not one of these new districts that decided to separate, is that the law requires. | 01:10:25 | |
| The the portions of the district that chose to separate. | 01:10:35 | |
| Have to pay for our part of organizing our reorganizing school district. | 01:10:39 | |
| We're trying to figure out what things we can make them pay for and at what stages we need to have them pay for those things. And | 01:10:46 | |
| I'll say we're not considering this, but at least one of the cities involved in our conversations is trying to make sure that they | 01:10:54 | |
| explore all legal remedies before we jump into doing things that would begin. | 01:11:02 | |
| Identifying assets, making studies, coordinating together on different activities. | 01:11:11 | |
| And then there's some question what part of that the city is doing, what part of it the new district does when it gets organized | 01:11:16 | |
| and formed. What we do know is that Alpine School District has to put together a register of all their assets and liabilities. | 01:11:22 | |
| They have to submit it to the legislative auditor, and then the legislative auditor holds on to that. And then once the new | 01:11:28 | |
| districts form, they get that information. We want to get ahead of some issues and make sure that when that new districts form | 01:11:34 | |
| that the cities put them in a position to. | 01:11:40 | |
| Hit the ground running and and be in the best position to protect our children and students in the region. But that that kind of | 01:11:46 | |
| in broad strokes is how some of the different pieces will move and where we're at the we did hold a meeting yesterday with the | 01:11:54 | |
| mayors and lawyers and city managers for the four cities that will be in our reorganized new district. One of the reasons we | 01:12:01 | |
| wanted to hold that meeting was to go through the legality and, and what the. | 01:12:09 | |
| Different options were that were available to us. There's an important reason to have those meetings behind closed doors because | 01:12:16 | |
| if you are going to contemplate any kind of legal action, which we're not, but one of the cities may. | 01:12:22 | |
| Then we can't have that conversation in a public setting because they'll need to form documents and other things that will go into | 01:12:31 | |
| that lawsuit. We also discussed at what point and how to involve public decision making and it's the intent, I think of all four | 01:12:38 | |
| cities to create a process that will be a public process for. | 01:12:46 | |
| Organizing ourselves, we want to be on the same page and then working with the county and with the old school district and the new | 01:12:54 | |
| school districts to make sure that we're defended and in a good position there. | 01:13:00 | |
| Perfect. Thank you. All right, we'll go ahead and move on to agenda item. Let's go back to it 9.1. We'll go into a public hearing. | 01:13:08 | |
| Let's do. | 01:13:13 | |
| It is for the FY25 Budget amendment, Resolution 202432. I'll have a motion to go into a public hearing. | 01:13:20 | |
| Anyone. | 01:13:29 | |
| So moved. Thank you, Marty. Can I get a second? Second. Thanks, Sarah. All in favor. | 01:13:31 | |
| We're now in a public hearing. All right, Christy. | 01:13:38 | |
| Is this you? | 01:13:42 | |
| Yes. Can you guys hear me OK? | 01:13:44 | |
| Part of the budgeting cycle, it is expected that throughout here there will be changes, things that come up and there will be | 01:13:49 | |
| amendments that need to be made. And so tonight we are here to talk about the first one that I'm presenting that on the changes | 01:13:56 | |
| that that we have seen a need for. I wanted to mention that in the upcoming slides you will see the words personnel payroll | 01:14:02 | |
| adjustment several times. Do not freak out. | 01:14:09 | |
| Nobody is getting paid more. | 01:14:16 | |
| I just wanted to explain, we have several employees that part of their pay is given to different departments. And so there were | 01:14:19 | |
| several employees that when we got together, it didn't make sense. So when we adjusted the percentage that was paid by each | 01:14:26 | |
| department, total is still the same, but the different funds are, the different entities are paying different percentages and that | 01:14:33 | |
| was a few. So on each of the account and each of the funds, you're going to see a little up and a little down. That's the first. | 01:14:41 | |
| The second reason is some directors get a vehicle and a cell phone reimbursement. | 01:14:49 | |
| And it was our understanding that in budgeting that when it went into the finance system that that was also broken out in | 01:14:58 | |
| percentages like their wages were. And I can realize that is not the case. So the total amount for a vehicle or cell phone | 01:15:05 | |
| reimbursement is now being charged to the primary department. So there were some adjustments up and down that way. Again, the | 01:15:13 | |
| total did not change. It was just the department or the enterprise fund that that there were some differences in that. | 01:15:20 | |
| So I wanted to explain that before we went on to my next slide. | 01:15:27 | |
| So here we have our general fund adjustments. | 01:15:34 | |
| The first one is really exciting news. | 01:15:37 | |
| This is a one time increase in our franchise tax because back in 20/20/2020 and 2021, there were eight checks that were made out | 01:15:40 | |
| to Vineyard City that were never cashed. So Questar Gas in doing their reports for the unclaimed, if any of you are familiar with | 01:15:48 | |
| that, they realized that we had not cashed those checks. They reached out and we said Oh yes, we do want that money. We never did | 01:15:55 | |
| receive it. So that is a one time incre. | 01:16:03 | |
| Of the 118,000 and that's relative to the 8 checks that we have already received. | 01:16:10 | |
| Sanitation revenue projections are up 8%. That's in relation to the fee increase that we have related to sanitation. So this is | 01:16:16 | |
| just a follow up plan. We're increasing the revenue side to match that. | 01:16:23 | |
| Again, on the expenditures, personnel, payroll adjustments, that's what I was explaining on the different percentages charged to | 01:16:30 | |
| departments. | 01:16:34 | |
| We have increased our bacon merchant fees by $10,000 because of the increase that we are being charged by the bank and the | 01:16:38 | |
| merchants to process our transactions. | 01:16:42 | |
| The next one is kind of a fun one, I think. Utah County has got a homeless project that they are working on. It's called the | 01:16:49 | |
| Winter Response Task Force and they have asked that each city donate $100 for every $1000 residence. | 01:16:57 | |
| Thank you for $1100 for every thousand residents. | 01:17:07 | |
| And so we're proposing that we put the 2200 in as a placeholder in the event. | 01:17:12 | |
| That that is, that capitalizes the last one. You were all aware of the library board communications earlier. This last one is | 01:17:18 | |
| relevant to that. The AmeriCorps subsidy is a program that we can go out and pay a flat $7000 for the year and they will bring a | 01:17:25 | |
| person in, they administer the payroll. There's not additional costs that way. We pay the flat fee and they bring in a person that | 01:17:33 | |
| that would be filling that position to get. | 01:17:40 | |
| Extra hours in the library that we need, so that's pretty exciting. | 01:17:48 | |
| So that's all the ones in the general fund? | 01:17:52 | |
| On capital projects, not a whole lot of adjustments, most of them are projects that were not quite complete at the end of fiscal | 01:17:56 | |
| year 24. So the revenue that the money that we were going to spend has rolled over as well as the expense. So that kind of wash | 01:18:03 | |
| each other out. The one that I do want to bring your attention to is we were able to receive a grant related to EU dot regional | 01:18:11 | |
| trail enhancement on that grant is going to bring in $785,000 and. | 01:18:18 | |
| Match will be 57,000. So that's that is a really exciting thing for us. And again the rest of the projects are just carry over | 01:18:26 | |
| from the prior fiscal year. | 01:18:31 | |
| Water and wastewater funds, I've combined these two because most of the things that we're going to talk about are relative to | 01:18:39 | |
| both. The first two increases are related to the water fund, the pipeline project and the water tank project. I'm sure many of you | 01:18:45 | |
| are familiar with. It has come to our attention that there's some change orders and an additional $100,000 is needed for the | 01:18:50 | |
| pipeline project. | 01:18:56 | |
| $200,000 for the water tank project and then within our wastewater or sewer fund. | 01:19:02 | |
| There's an additional 1500 needed to cover data costs. Again, there was some up and down water and wastewater personnel payroll | 01:19:09 | |
| adjustments. I do want to mention that there is fund balance in the water and wastewater funds. So there is no, there's no strain | 01:19:17 | |
| on the general fund. This is them using their additional fund balance. | 01:19:24 | |
| The transportation fund, it's my error. I misunderstood the communication that I received. So this was originally stated as an | 01:19:33 | |
| increased cost for the repairs at Geneva and Center St. It's actually a carryover project from last year. So the $220,000 worth on | 01:19:40 | |
| the fiscal year 24 budget, that project was not complete. We have rolled it over and that is why that that is now showing up on | 01:19:46 | |
| there. | 01:19:53 | |
| You can see that there's a difference. | 01:20:01 | |
| In the 217 versus the 2:20, that is relative to the payroll adjustments that I had talked about. So there was actually less that | 01:20:03 | |
| was charged to the transportation fund. So that's why that revenue is less than what that additional rollover cost was. | 01:20:11 | |
| The internal service fund, again, this was no additional strain on the general fund. We have fund balance. If you remember, as | 01:20:21 | |
| we've talked budget in the past, internal service funds does not tie out every year. It's meant to tie out over time. And so we | 01:20:28 | |
| have a little bit of buffer and it's exactly for instances like this. We're currently working on an RFP for our IT contract | 01:20:35 | |
| services and we are finding that we are going to need about 52,000 more. | 01:20:42 | |
| To be able to include the cybersecurity as part of that RFP. | 01:20:50 | |
| And then also there is a centricom that the increase that's going to be 1919 thousand. Again both of these are covered by fund | 01:20:54 | |
| balance. So there is not. | 01:21:00 | |
| Any burden on the general fund? Now this last one is just kind of a fun plug. If you have never been to this website, I encourage | 01:21:06 | |
| all of you to go to this website. | 01:21:11 | |
| If when Dominion Energy Crystal Gas had reached out and said hey, we sent you this $118,000 in checks, if we didn't reply to them | 01:21:18 | |
| and say yes, we want that, then they by law have to hand it over to the state. So then we would go on mycash.utah.gov and you | 01:21:26 | |
| would see Vineyard for $118,000 where you have 8 different lines because it was eight different checks. | 01:21:33 | |
| When I was working at Utah County, I saw this for the first time. | 01:21:42 | |
| And I thought, yeah, like, what am I going to find? I got over it. Anything over $250 says amount over $250, and I go with $264 | 01:21:46 | |
| just for checking this website. Now, that's not going to happen for all of you. And I'm not usually the lucky 1, but I thought I | 01:21:52 | |
| would be remiss if I didn't tell everyone to go and check this because it is a really simple process to claim things that you're | 01:21:58 | |
| not even aware of out there. | 01:22:04 | |
| Any questions on the budget amendment? | 01:22:12 | |
| OK. Are there any questions from the public? | 01:22:16 | |
| Welcome to the microphone. | 01:22:20 | |
| Say your name. | 01:22:22 | |
| Feel like this is a school room? | 01:22:24 | |
| Darlene Price Villas where's the budget? I've been looking all night long to find out the budget for us and I've gone to the. | 01:22:27 | |
| Vineyard org and there's no budget. So where am I looking for the budget? | 01:22:38 | |
| It's attached. This is part of the agenda on the civic wreck. | 01:22:45 | |
| Maybe what we can do is put a link to it, or you could meet with Christy afterwards and she can see where you're having a miss. Is | 01:22:51 | |
| there a website that our budget is on? | 01:22:57 | |
| Not this one because this is an amendment. Until it's approved it will not show up on the website, but after approval it will show | 01:23:04 | |
| up. So what's on the website now is the original one that was posted. | 01:23:10 | |
| Ago and said yes, that we passed that budget, yes, on August 20. OK, so that one is on vineyardutah.org. This one will only be put | 01:23:16 | |
| on there once it has been approved by council tonight. Vineyard utah.org is where that is. Yes, it will say fiscal year 25 working | 01:23:23 | |
| budget after amendment number one. I did a quick Google search and if it helps you, it's Vineyard utah.org and then it's forward | 01:23:30 | |
| slash government, forward slash budget. Thank you. | 01:23:38 | |
| All right. Any other questions? | 01:23:46 | |
| Okay, seniors are 9. Can I get a motion go out of a public hearing? | 01:23:49 | |
| So moved. Thank you. First by Marty. Can I get a second, second, second by Sarah? Any comments? All in favor? Aye, opposed. | 01:23:55 | |
| You don't want to go out. Oh, sorry. | 01:24:07 | |
| Public comment. | 01:24:09 | |
| Aye. All right. Let's go ahead and have a budget discussion with the council. Any questions? You seem like you have some. Jake, | 01:24:10 | |
| did you want to start? Yeah. | 01:24:15 | |
| In my meetings with Eric, we got this. | 01:24:21 | |
| Meeting was today, um. | 01:24:24 | |
| On these adjustments, Christy, I know it's not ready for public, but the second we know about it, could we get a little bit more | 01:24:28 | |
| heads up than just the 24 hour public notice that the budget's going to change because I only get it at 5? | 01:24:34 | |
| 24 hours before the meeting. | 01:24:42 | |
| This this is something that we discussed in our last weeks meeting as well. And, and right, but you didn't have the actual numbers | 01:24:45 | |
| to give me at that time. I didn't get them until yesterday. So it's just like as a courtesy, could I get them sooner so I could | 01:24:51 | |
| review them like the finances of it. I had access to them Friday. | 01:24:58 | |
| Is it Friday at 3:00? | 01:25:05 | |
| Yeah, it was in the pre, the preview of the agenda and so I was able to read through it over the weekend. I think that was | 01:25:07 | |
| descending into the full council. | 01:25:12 | |
| So so. | 01:25:17 | |
| Any further questions, comments. | 01:25:20 | |
| It's not I need a motion. | 01:25:22 | |
| Well, Jake, do you have concerns because you already voted no. So it looks like your intention is to vote no, but what are your | 01:25:25 | |
| concerns, the cyber security and and being able to meet with them and understand that a little bit more in depth. Is it time | 01:25:32 | |
| sensitive? Is it something that could wait until a council understands it better? | 01:25:40 | |
| At this point it is a placeholder. | 01:25:50 | |
| And the cybersecurity IT services contract will come before the council for a specific decision because of the dollar amount on | 01:25:52 | |
| that. | 01:25:57 | |
| So no work would be done, no RFP, no vendors until it came before. Three different questions there. The RFP, the RFP, it has been | 01:26:02 | |
| done. We're going through the review process of those candidates and when one is selected, it will be recommended to council in a | 01:26:10 | |
| public meeting with the dollar amount attached to it. | 01:26:18 | |
| Yeah. So we're just doing this so we can have something in our budget right now and having a placeholder and then the council will | 01:26:27 | |
| get to approve it and it will come before the public. And if we don't want it, then we will say no and then we will. | 01:26:35 | |
| Amend the budget at some future bidding. | 01:26:45 | |
| Correct. OK. Any other questions from the Council? | 01:26:48 | |
| I feel good about putting me in this placeholder. It's always better to set money aside in my opinion if you want to spend it | 01:26:53 | |
| later. | 01:26:56 | |
| All right, I just need a motion. | 01:27:03 | |
| I moved to adopt Resolution 2024 Dash 32, amending the 2025 fiscal year budget as presented. All right, we have a first time. | 01:27:12 | |
| Marty. Can I get a second, second, second by Farah? Any comments? | 01:27:19 | |
| All right, we'll go ahead and do this by roll call. Say no, I, Marty, I, Sarah. All right, it passed. We'll go ahead and open our | 01:27:26 | |
| next public hearing. That is the consolidated reschedule amendment Resolution 202433. | 01:27:34 | |
| I'll take a motion to go into a public hearing. | 01:27:43 | |
| So moved. Thanks Marty. Can I get a second? | 01:27:47 | |
| Second, thanks Sarah, all in favor, aye, we're now in a public hearing and Christie believe you're up again. Yes, that would be | 01:27:50 | |
| me. Maria is usually one who takes care of these things that she had something come up at the last minute. We are reviewing the | 01:27:58 | |
| consolidated fee schedule. Our hope is to make changes every year in about this time frame, November, December to take effect, | 01:28:05 | |
| January 1st when it's related to utility changes and then to look at it again in May instead of it seems like. | 01:28:13 | |
| Coming up a lot. So we've encouraged everyone, all the departments, hey, we're going to have two a year and let's keep it to that. | 01:28:20 | |
| In light of that, there are quite a few changes in the recreation program on the consolidated fee schedule. There was a lot of | 01:28:26 | |
| programs that we were not currently offering and they decided that we were not going to offer them and so those were dropped. | 01:28:31 | |
| There was also some shift in. | 01:28:37 | |
| Costs for those programs, minor increases related to some of the things that we do and then as well as adding some programs that | 01:28:44 | |
| they felt like we would be using going forward that we are hoping to implement. Anything else I need to say about that, Brian? | 01:28:52 | |
| I think that's pretty good. | 01:29:03 | |
| We're also doing a slight increase to the field painting costs for any soccer clubs or. | 01:29:07 | |
| Residents that want to reserve Park Fields, just due to us having the paint robot, now the paint costs more money. It saves us | 01:29:15 | |
| time, but the paint is more expensive. So on a smaller scale that just helps cover our our costs. OK, Are there any questions from | 01:29:21 | |
| the public about this? | 01:29:27 | |
| All right, seeing if there are none, I'll go ahead and ask for motion, go out of a public hearing. Sorry. | 01:29:37 | |
| I wasn't. I wasn't. I apologize. No. So these ones related to the recreation department will take effect immediately if we approve | 01:29:42 | |
| this consolidated fee schedule tonight. There are also fee increases related to water and sewer that will be effective January 1st | 01:29:50 | |
| of 2025 when we went out and bonded for the water and sewer bonds to build our water tank and booster station. | 01:29:58 | |
| Management at that time committed to do periodic increases to cover costs. | 01:30:07 | |
| To the rating agencies that rated our bonds and I was made aware of that recently. So starting January 1st, 2025, there will be a | 01:30:12 | |
| 4% increase in water and a 2% increase in sewer and we will do that for the next four years on January 1st. | 01:30:21 | |
| Going forward, the one thing that's a little bit different is the sewer. We were just told that sewer treatment is going to | 01:30:30 | |
| increase 15% again at the beginning of January. And so the sewer usage rate increases 17%. That's the 2% for the bond request of | 01:30:38 | |
| 15% that we are being charged for that treatment. But everything else, the sewer base rate will only be the 2%. | 01:30:46 | |
| And again, that would take effect January 1st of 2025 for the utility rate changes. | 01:30:55 | |
| Hmm, any questions or comments from the public? | 01:31:02 | |
| OK, there are none. | 01:31:07 | |
| Please come up darling. | 01:31:11 | |
| We have my house had $4000 increase in taxes and now as I'm looking at. | 01:31:17 | |
| Just just our. | 01:31:27 | |
| Our history we were in, we were in the whole last year's budget by $200,000. I suppose you just erased that. I'm not sure how you | 01:31:29 | |
| meant to cover that up. We voted you or you voted yourself a raise and a merit raise. | 01:31:37 | |
| You were talking about a design, about this, about this City Hall. | 01:31:47 | |
| The people that were here said we don't want that and you went ahead and did it anyway. | 01:31:52 | |
| Now I'm hearing you say, well, if we build it, they will come. | 01:32:00 | |
| And we will pass a bond and I will tell you right now any bond that you come and ask me for more money to build something we did | 01:32:04 | |
| not want. I would vote no on. I I can't in good in good things to do that $4000 for someone who's on Social Security with no other | 01:32:12 | |
| income. | 01:32:20 | |
| Is a big bite out of my budget and so something in my budget has to go. | 01:32:28 | |
| So we reduce the number of meals that we eat, we reduce the number of electricity, watts we reduce, we just go back through and I | 01:32:35 | |
| have been doing that the last two days. The analogy here in January, we are getting an increase in sewage and water, correct? | 01:32:41 | |
| That's what you just said. | 01:32:47 | |
| You guys are killing us. You're absolutely killing us and put us putting us in ******* to our homes. And I don't think that's | 01:32:55 | |
| transparent at all. I think that is insidious. | 01:33:01 | |
| Christy, did you have any comments about anything that she talked about? | 01:33:18 | |
| No, most of what she talked about was related to budget. Obviously as constant recent as we are charged more, we have to pass that | 01:33:24 | |
| on to the public. We don't have a golden goose egg that we that we're able to offer. | 01:33:30 | |
| Right. And we don't treat our own water. So when someone or our own sewer water, wastewater. So when someone else raises the | 01:33:38 | |
| prices, we have to pass that on to them. No, I, I think that's really important for the public to hear. I think that pass throughs | 01:33:44 | |
| are really important and and so clarifying that I think is really important to the public. | 01:33:50 | |
| Are there any requests, comments. I feel like the public should. | 01:33:59 | |
| This is my last one, then I won't say anymore. | 01:34:02 | |
| We've got this process, to my estimation, wrong. It comes before you and you decide to pass it or not. If you pass it, then you | 01:34:05 | |
| say now we'll go to the city and we will ask and see if they wanted this pass. That seems backwards to me. You need to ask us | 01:34:12 | |
| first, unless it is a rule that that's how it's done. Are you still talking about the sewer increase? I am talking about | 01:34:19 | |
| everything, OK. | 01:34:25 | |
| You make a decision. We're just listening to you talk tonight. We will make a decision on the budget and then we will go to the | 01:34:33 | |
| community and we will ask them no, and I don't want to argue. Isn't that what you just said? You finished your comment and then | 01:34:39 | |
| I'm going to invite you to take a seat. | 01:34:46 | |
| We're hearing from the public first before we talk, just as you're saying. | 01:34:57 | |
| So this is your chance to tell us what you think and we want to listen and we want to hear you. And we, we don't take this lightly | 01:35:02 | |
| and things and, and I'll stop so that you can continue to talk and not hear me talk and talk. OK, so I, I understand, I understand | 01:35:10 | |
| what you are saying that this is where we're talking about this first. Did I not hear you say we will decide on the budget and | 01:35:17 | |
| vote yes or no and then we will take it to the to the community. Did you say that? | 01:35:25 | |
| OK. | 01:35:33 | |
| Is that the extent of your comment? Because I'm going to have you. | 01:35:35 | |
| Comment to the public. Well, I think there's a clarification maybe where the confusion is, is we we don't do our own water | 01:35:42 | |
| treatment. We have to pay a company to do it. And when they raise their prices and send us the price increase, we have to put it | 01:35:48 | |
| into our budget and put it back on the residents because each resident has to pay for their own sewer treatment. It's not | 01:35:54 | |
| something that the government subsidizes. | 01:36:01 | |
| And so some of the costs that are on this, that specifically is something that we, we don't really have a choice on unless we | 01:36:07 | |
| wanted to make a decision as a government to subsidize our sewer treatment. So I think that might be where some of the we're told | 01:36:15 | |
| we need to increase this. So This is why we're increasing it. The other things are up to discussion. And I think Christie's done a | 01:36:22 | |
| great job of explaining a lot of things. But like I said, it's not my turn. You were also going to comment on. | 01:36:30 | |
| What we're doing tonight as a public hearing. | 01:36:37 | |
| But as I was cutting you off, no, I just thought that we're bringing it to the public. Yes, the public goes first. You guys tell | 01:36:40 | |
| us what your concerns are, please. This is your time. And then we make the vote. We discuss as a council, we make that vote. All | 01:36:46 | |
| right, Karen. | 01:36:51 | |
| Karen Cornelius, fellow resident. I think what Darlene just said speaks to the issue of bonding. | 01:36:59 | |
| And that is why bonding for a City Hall is very, very, very frightening. | 01:37:06 | |
| For a city that has nothing in reserves. And when I spent 3 or 4 meetings asking the question of using the $1 million that you are | 01:37:12 | |
| talking about to go out and get a plan for a City Hall that we do not need. And I said, can't we use that as reserve? Can't we use | 01:37:22 | |
| that for a fire station? We have no reserve. So when things like this come up, you don't have any choice but coming back to us. | 01:37:32 | |
| And we're done. We're done. Like Darlene said, when your income is fixed, you go without. You didn't go with that. When it came | 01:37:42 | |
| time to raise salaries, to raise your salary, you didn't go without. There's many things in that budget that could have been cut | 01:37:50 | |
| that were not life saving. I'm thrilled that we're getting a fire station. I'm thrilled that we will have that safety. I am not | 01:37:57 | |
| thrilled that you are going to waste $1,000,000 for something that we don't need. | 01:38:04 | |
| And I certainly don't see the urgency in it. And it makes me feel there is no transparency and that there is some backdoor deal | 01:38:12 | |
| taking place that we have to do it right now. | 01:38:17 | |
| If they are willing to donate land today and only today, then that's crooked and we don't want it. | 01:38:24 | |
| Thank you. | 01:38:30 | |
| All right, any other comments? | 01:38:33 | |
| Come on. | 01:38:35 | |
| Mandy Gray I have commented on this before but. | 01:38:42 | |
| When it comes to bonding. | 01:38:49 | |
| And the whole Utah County. | 01:38:52 | |
| And Marty saw me escorted from the last when there was no. | 01:38:56 | |
| Approval for us denying. | 01:39:06 | |
| The bonding and at the school district for and and my son who has full spectrum autism. | 01:39:11 | |
| Makes $15,000 a year. | 01:39:22 | |
| And now he's going to pay $4000 a year. | 01:39:26 | |
| That's not right and we need the council. And Mary, you've been so helpful. He cried when he talked to you because he we can pay | 01:39:32 | |
| for it now, but when the Lord calls us home. | 01:39:40 | |
| Who's gonna pay for him? | 01:39:48 | |
| And then we have that same issue in our 55 plus community for the senior citizens. | 01:39:51 | |
| How are they going to pay for all these bonds? And the issue for us is. | 01:39:58 | |
| How come? | 01:40:08 | |
| Why? | 01:40:10 | |
| And by the way, we have legislators now who have told us that this shouldn't be happening. | 01:40:11 | |
| And so we need help with the legislature and doing this. So. And Marty, thank you for your help, too. Yeah. And I think that | 01:40:21 | |
| meeting is moving forward already. It's already been in work, so we'll keep you updated on it. Thank you so much. | 01:40:30 | |
| All right. Any other questions from the public? OK. | 01:40:39 | |
| Let's go ahead and go out of a public hearing. | 01:40:44 | |
| I need a motion. | 01:40:48 | |
| Samuel, OK for spring. Marty, can I get a second, second, second by Sarah, I have a question quickly. Is this something that we | 01:40:49 | |
| can put to our December meeting? | 01:40:55 | |
| Do you want to take a vote on the leaving the hearing? | 01:41:07 | |
| All in favor, aye. All right, now we're out of a public hearing. | 01:41:11 | |
| Is this something that we can take to our December meetings? | 01:41:16 | |
| I'm going to defer to Jamie. | 01:41:20 | |
| What about time wise? | 01:41:23 | |
| We were just trying to get in the residence as much of a heads up as. | 01:41:26 | |
| We could, we were trying to be transparent and say hey, this is coming up. So the one difficulty it will present, and this is not | 01:41:31 | |
| a legal requirement, but I do believe it's a courtesy that the public deserves is Christie has been working to have this presented | 01:41:37 | |
| to the council today because she wants to be able to win the December Billings go out to include a notice in the Billings so | 01:41:43 | |
| people will be aware of the rate increase, some of the rate increase. We're not, we can't, we don't control, but we still want to | 01:41:49 | |
| make sure people are aware. | 01:41:55 | |
| And and know what's happening and why it's happening. If you wait and take it up in a December meeting, she will not be able to | 01:42:01 | |
| send that Mailer. OK. And then the ones that we're not able to pass because we want to give implementers, we'll end up subsidizing | 01:42:08 | |
| with our other funds if we wanted to give proper notice. | 01:42:14 | |
| If we waited. | 01:42:22 | |
| All right. | 01:42:26 | |
| Are we, I hate even asking because I, I understand that the accounting can be, it's, you've done great work and you're presenting | 01:42:33 | |
| that and I appreciate it. Is there a way to make this amendment one and then 1.5 or two? Like is there a limit on how many | 01:42:40 | |
| amendments we can make to the budget? If we, you know, if we went through and picked. | 01:42:47 | |
| And we're not talking budget amendment right now. We're the budget amendment you've approved already consolidated fees. What | 01:42:55 | |
| you're talking about are the fee increases. So there were Christie went through them, but there were Parks and Rec related fee | 01:42:59 | |
| increases and then there's were, I'll just call them utility. | 01:43:03 | |
| Related fee increases, I don't know that a lot of the comments related to the fees. | 01:43:09 | |
| Except of course, it increases an increase, right? | 01:43:14 | |
| Yeah. And I'm sorry, I was distracted by the comments that had to do with the budget overall, So I lost track of what we were | 01:43:19 | |
| doing. Thank you. | 01:43:22 | |
| I think it's important for us to notice the public in December. I think it's and it's also something that's necessary for being | 01:43:30 | |
| billed by TSTSSD is that so I think it's important for us to make this move forward so that we can make sure the public all knows. | 01:43:39 | |
| But that's if you feel comfortable or feel like we have other options to wait so we can give the public more time to. | 01:43:49 | |
| Understand it through the agenda or through public notice if it helps you gain some comfort with the decision. There's the TSSD | 01:43:58 | |
| increase, and then there also are the increases that the city is putting forward. The city's increases are not discretionary. The | 01:44:06 | |
| bond agreement requires that we make regular increases to keep pace with inflationary expenses. So the city doesn't have an option | 01:44:13 | |
| not to approve those if if you don't approve them then. | 01:44:20 | |
| We're violating the our commitments under those bond agreements, OK. And that is something we took to the public and they knew | 01:44:28 | |
| that would come forward. So all right, thank the final comments. I think it kind of goes hand in hand with the budget things to | 01:44:34 | |
| their comments. | 01:44:40 | |
| This past week I looked at kind of the vehicles again and also like the on Prem cyber security and I don't remember the dollar | 01:44:47 | |
| amount was like 50K or something and. | 01:44:52 | |
| It's like almost everything that we do now is cloud based, you know, e-mail and all of our documents and phone and getting a | 01:44:59 | |
| server on does not cost 50K to store whatever we need to store. And it's like we've got to be looking under every rock. And I and | 01:45:07 | |
| I'm just, I'm not seeing that thought. That's my problem is I see so much, so many places where we could easily cut. | 01:45:16 | |
| You know, we've got so many $80,000 vehicles that are just. | 01:45:25 | |
| I think the most I've ever spent on my vehicle is like 28, you know, And it's like, I know I'm a frugal person. I think our city | 01:45:31 | |
| needs to turn frugal. And it's not a bad thing. That doesn't mean you're poor. It just means that you're living under your means. | 01:45:37 | |
| So that's just my comment is I, I want, I would love the culture to change a little bit more. | 01:45:44 | |
| OK. | 01:45:54 | |
| Did anybody want to make a comment on? | 01:45:55 | |
| I kind of wanted to make a couple public comments just overall. | 01:45:58 | |
| We do have a reserve that we're using specifically for this right now. There have been some increases that luckily we do have the | 01:46:04 | |
| reserve that we're pulling from so that it doesn't have to be yet another tax increase. So I appreciate that that we we are taking | 01:46:10 | |
| those steps. | 01:46:16 | |
| I hesitate to say this because it feels. | 01:46:25 | |
| It's, I don't want to sound insensitive at all. Our raise was I think 3% just for perspective. It was $37 more a month. And I | 01:46:29 | |
| understand that council that Sarah and Jake are actually donating that to Utah County to a program that helps people with tax that | 01:46:38 | |
| have a hard time paying their taxes, which I think is really cool. The reason why that 3%. | 01:46:47 | |
| Raise happened and it would have been so easy. Just like no I'm principle. | 01:46:56 | |
| But what we decided the year before was we had gone so long without raising counsel because it's such an awkward topic to give | 01:47:00 | |
| yourself a raise that we were, that we had to make a larger increase to our salaries just to keep up with surrounding people. | 01:47:08 | |
| We're still below, or we're average to several cities around us, but still below several others. And so we decided that if we do | 01:47:15 | |
| minimal increases each year, that it won't have to be this really big awkward thing where we're asking. | 01:47:23 | |
| Big raise and then the so that's why that passed at least so you understand why I voted for it and so that $37 a month. | 01:47:30 | |
| I guess I'm I just I want to put it in perspective. | 01:47:44 | |
| And then I hope you all know that I do understand the economic stress. I do see the economy and I do see inflation and there it's | 01:47:47 | |
| such an awful difficult topic. And I do like Jake's mentality of finding ways to cut, which I really do believe we run a tight | 01:47:55 | |
| ship. Could it be tighter? Sure. There are things that maybe we can reevaluate that we are and there are things that we have | 01:48:02 | |
| reevaluated and so. | 01:48:09 | |
| I mean, I know we're off topic because now we're on the consolidated fee, but I wanted to make sure to respond to some of those | 01:48:18 | |
| comments. And I hope you understand that I value each and every one of you sharing your perspective because if you didn't, it | 01:48:26 | |
| would make my job a lot harder. So I, I want to know and when I'm making these decisions, I feel it very I, I. | 01:48:33 | |
| We really do consider everyone and specifically our senior community is the biggest concern. And so I don't want you to feel that | 01:48:42 | |
| we're insensitive to that. And I, we will do our best to continue to do better and thank you. | 01:48:49 | |
| OK, I need a motion. Before that I want to make one more comment and it. | 01:48:58 | |
| You know, in the foundation of Vineyard, when it was decided to be a city, we realized that we didn't have State Street, we didn't | 01:49:03 | |
| have BYU and we didn't have UVU. And so the creation of Vineyard was very unique in that we wouldn't have a tax base unless an RDA | 01:49:10 | |
| was created and something was brought here, right? And businesses haven't come. And because our population is so small | 01:49:16 | |
| comparatively. | 01:49:23 | |
| We make a mistake or an assumption. | 01:49:31 | |
| Of whether we pay whatever position and say this is comparable to another city. | 01:49:34 | |
| Our city is not comparable because we don't have the sales tax base and so we have to double tax our property tax and that that | 01:49:40 | |
| and and the founders of the city originally knew that and the frugality had to match up. And as we go and say, hey, we are going | 01:49:47 | |
| to be a city, if we are going to do comparable spending, we must have a comparable tax base which we don't. And so all it does is | 01:49:55 | |
| go on to the. | 01:50:02 | |
| Citizens and so like we can't be saying comparable because we won't be our our tax base is significantly smaller percentage wise | 01:50:09 | |
| to Linden Pleasant Grove, Orem or anyone that we have to be a very frugal city to to be able to just provide the basics and or it | 01:50:18 | |
| will be on the burden of. | 01:50:26 | |
| The taxpayers heavily and that's why we have to double the tax rate, right. So that's just my comment is. | 01:50:35 | |
| I wish we could be the city of others, but that's not that's not in the cards, nor will it. | 01:50:40 | |
| For decades we will not have the tax base. | 01:50:47 | |
| So I just want to make citizens know that we want, we want, even if we were to bring in businesses like crazy. | 01:50:51 | |
| Forums tax base and all of them around is such massive mall the dealerships I mean we we've got 1 gas station you know a mall and | 01:50:59 | |
| there's just not a tax base and that's why you look at. | 01:51:04 | |
| The bond for the City Hall, we don't have sales tax. I, I eat a burrito at Maverick every single day, but I can't eat 10, you | 01:51:12 | |
| know? | 01:51:16 | |
| Thank you, Jake. I'm going to go ahead and close up this meeting. I will I will end my comment, which is I think that we have been | 01:51:23 | |
| frugal. We haven't raised our taxes in 20 years. We had a decrease in what we were spending tax wise for seven years. We went over | 01:51:31 | |
| this comment, we talked about it and we work with services as we live in an economy that's experiencing a lot of inflation. | 01:51:39 | |
| And there's pass throughs and obligations that have come to the public that we voted on and we have to fulfill our obitations. And | 01:51:48 | |
| so with that, I really need a motion because we have to close in time to switch the record. I'm going to, I'm going to go ahead | 01:51:54 | |
| and close it and then I'm going to switch the recording. So I need a motion. | 01:52:01 | |
| Well, I think we need to approve the consolidated fee schedule so that we can get a notice to the residents. So I moved to adopt | 01:52:10 | |
| Resolution 2024. So I have a first time already. Can I get a second, second. I have a second by Sarah. Any comments? | 01:52:17 | |
| OK. | 01:52:26 | |
| I would like to make a comment. I think that. | 01:52:28 | |
| The you thought what are the? | 01:52:34 | |
| Conservancy District One of the Utah Valley Conservancy District. | 01:52:38 | |
| I know it's just a pass through, but for a city like ours, it's it's, it's really difficult to see the. | 01:52:43 | |
| The incredible trucks and nice stuff and we're buying all this and I know they're they're great people, but I just don't know. I | 01:52:52 | |
| think that there needs to be a strong conversation about like seniors and everything about it because it just comes every single | 01:52:58 | |
| year. And again, I just see these, the amount of trucks and stuff and I go, I'd love to see cuts. It just can't be. Are you | 01:53:03 | |
| talking about our truck? | 01:53:08 | |
| I believe he's talking about the pass through the no, the water of the Conservancy districts and just their vehicles and just I, I | 01:53:14 | |
| look at it and look through their finances and I go. | 01:53:19 | |
| You guys keep putting a pass through and then us as a council say, well, there's nothing we can do. And I look through the culture | 01:53:24 | |
| of it and I go there is there is something like that's how people don't make their budget when they say they can't cut. And I know | 01:53:30 | |
| these families cut to make it work. And we can't just allow a government, another government entity to do it. That's a board. And | 01:53:37 | |
| then to say, oh, it's not our fault. That's why I would be voting no. | 01:53:44 | |
| OK. | 01:53:54 | |
| Has that changed anybody? Do you want to keep your motion? Okay, Jake? | 01:53:56 | |
| No, no. | 01:54:03 | |
| Yay, bye bye. OK, take care. | 01:54:07 | |
| Jamie, is there a way that we can, well, I can ask you actually after this, we'll go ahead and I believe I've had everything and | 01:54:11 | |
| adjourned this meeting and then we'll start the next one, OK. | 01:54:17 |