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Resident Daria Evans addressed concerns for the engineering behind the Orchard Development. She was asked to hold her comment for when that project is presented. BUSINESS ITEMS
3.1. McDonald’s Site Plan Amendment Planner Cache Hancey introduced Baren Parks with Dominion Engineering representing McDonalds and discussed the site plan amendment. Planner Hancey noted the adjustments made on the site plan. This involved a replacement of a play place structure on the East side which includes an increase in the outdoor dining seats, removal of the structure, shift in the bike racks, and a straightened out a crosswalk. Planner Hancey reflected these changes in elevation views as well as the site plan within his presentation.
Commissioner Steele asked if there were calculations for the decrease in building square footage.
Mr. Parks had the original and new numbers and provided the change to be00 sqft.
Planner Hancey deduced that this decreases their parking requirements.
MOTION: COMMISSIONER STEELE MADE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE SITE PLAN AMENDMENT AS IT MAKES SENSE. COMMISSIONER BRAMWELL SECONDS THE MOTION AT05PM. THOSE VOTING YES ARE: VICE-CHAIR BRADY AND COMMISSIONERS FAGG, RHOTON, AND OSTLER. THE MOTION PASSD UNANIMOUSLY.2. Orchards&Live-work Unit Site Plan
Planner Anthony Flecher presented a map that locates the site between the Center St bridge to the North and the new Vineyard Rd to the South for the Live Work units. Planner Fletcher discussed the units and the site amenities as well as in unit and street parking. He presented the site plan and located those amenities and parking as well as a few available elevations. Planner Fletcher spoke for the staff to recommend approval with the conditions provided.
Commissioner Rhoton commented on the exclusion of elevations for the proposed site for an office building and asked if there were for future phases. Planners Fletcher and Hancey replied in saying it is for future phases.
Commissioner Brady also commented on the lack of landscaping plans for trees as a buffer because of the number of trees that are there currently.
Mike Olson with Orchards discussed building for parking and discussed how an inclusion of trees is okay as long as they do not disrupt the sidewalk and that it equalizes the existing trees. This is proposed as a condition.
Commissioner Rhoton asked if there are any more questions. Mr. Perks discussed fencing and parking.
Commissioner Rhoton asks about access and gates.
Mr. Perks noted that the gates are hard because they are great for after construction. He is happy to talk about gates after construction is completed. Discussion ensued about how to monitor the gates and access. Community Development Director Morgan Brim introduced things to consider in the area in terms of land use.
Commissioner Graden Ostler asked for a reminder about offices at home. Mr. Perks said these units would work well for entrepreneurial uses at home. Discussion ensued about the office uses and spaces, as well as what is permitted.
Commissioner Steel expressed a concern for how parking is addressed. Mr. Brim responded in saying that it is under a development agreement which includes street parking. Commissioner Brady asked about the number of parking allotted not-including the on-street parking. Discussion ensued about parking options.
Mr. Brim discussed the pedestrian access and safety for residents and employees. Commissioner Brady asked if they are any other questions.
Resident Daria Evans asked for clarification of the table and expressed concern for the city struggling to enforce parking. Commissioner Bramwell noted that Utah City is working on parking study.
Staff Engineer Patrick James does not think this is something they can figure out right now. Planner Hancey acknowledged the city’s role in the development agreement. Discussion ensued about parking throughout Vineyard and parking enforcement. It centered around parking and traffic studies. The trip generator was discussed as well. The conditions included: the applicant paid any outstanding fees, the applicant made any redline corrections prior to redecoration, all city and county requirements will need to be met prior to redecoration, a public access easement is added to the east side of the plat, the updated Development Agreement record prior to redecoration, the Quick Claim Deed is recorded prior to redecoration, fix “Town of Vineyard” error under Lot Drainage section as required by engineering, include internal road naming and diagram on the plat, show fire department access and determine hydrant locations per Orem Fire Department’s requirements prior to site plan approval, parking parcels along New Vineyard Road are configured with the approval of the Community Development Director, and include ownership and maintenance information of parcels a, b, c on the plat.
Adjustments of language were suggested to the reports by Commissioner Bramwell.
Planner Hancey asked for clarification of the approval.
COMMISSIONER STEELE RECOMMENDED AN APPROVAL WITH THE CONDITIONS PRESENTED AT45PM. COMMISSIONER FAGG WAS THE SECOND. THOSE WHO SAID YES INCLUDED VICE-CHAIR BRADY AND COMMISSIONERS BRAMWELL, RHOTON, AND OSTLER. THE MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY. 3. The Orchards Site Plan Amendment
Planner Hancey introduced the site plan and noted that it was a work session previously. He briefed the elements of the site plan that were adjusted. Issues surrounding fencing and safety were acknowledged. Sidewalk additions were also acknowledged as a previous concern.
Commissioner Fagg asked about the landscaping. Planner Hancey responded in saying that it is mostly all hardscape.
Michael Olsen, the representative for Orchards, discussed the site plan approval back from18, and how the buildings have not moved. The concrete pads aided in snow removal and grill issues. He noted that the plants were selected by what thrives in the climate and they increased the density of that. He also concluded that they maintain their HOA very well.
Commissioner Bramwell asked about the gates.
Mr. Olsen noted that there are struggles with the construction trucks but that he could add gates later on.
Commissioner Bramwell asked how the residents get around inside of the development.
Mr. Olson discussed a sidewalk that is underway, a crosswalk, and two entrances.
Planner Hancey presented a concern about the location of the one crosswalk.
Commissioner Steele noted that the crosswalk is not necessary there. Commissioner Bramwell asked if there was going to be a sidewalk along the South side of the development. Planner Hancey responded in saying there is one there already.
Commissioner Steele mentioned concern for children safety for the desire for a gate.
COMMISSIONER FAGG MOTIONED TO APPROVE THE SITE PLAN AMENDMENT AS APPROVED BY THE STAFF WITH RECOMMENDATIONS AT57PM. COMMISSIONER STEELE SECONDED THE MOTION. THOSE IN FAVOR VOTED YES: VICE-CHAIR BRADY AND COMMISSIONERS BRAMWELL, RHOTON, AND OSTLER.4. Wendy’s Site Plan & Conditional Use Permit
Planner Hancey presented the proposal for the site plan for Wendy’s. Commissioner Brady asked for clarification on location. Planner Hancey said it was just North of Muddy Boys, by Dairy Queen, off of Geneva Rd.
Planner Hancey introduced the site plan. The access points were outlined. He also recognized the ownership of the land. Planner Hancey discussed the landscaping needs and connectivity.
Planner Hancey introduced the other condition for approval regarding bike racks.
Commissioner Rhoton asked for clarification on directional access. Planner Hancey responded in saying that there may not be any signage.
Andrew M. with Dominion Engineering noted that there will be “Do Not Enter” signage. Planner Hancey discussed the Drive-thru. He asked about doors.
Planner Hancey asked the applicant if they had any guidelines on the timing of development and landscaping. Comments were made about how they did not want to hold the business hostage. Planner Hancey asked if the revisions in landscaping could hold up the progress.
They agreed in saying no, that it’s in the base agreement. Commissioner Steele asked if this would be a condition. Planner Hancey said this and the bike rack to make sure they meet the city’s requirements.
COMMISSIONER BRAMWELL MOVED TO APPROVE THE SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AS PRESENTED WITH THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS AT06PM. COMMISSIONER FAGG SECONDED THE MOTION. THOSE IN FAVOR VOTED YES: VICE-CHAIR BRADY AND COMMISSIONERS STEELE, RHOTON, AND OSTLER. WORK SESSION No work items were submitted. STAFF, COMMISSION, AND COMMITTEE REPORTS
Mr. Brim provided an update on the Master Plan presentation. He also briefed the meetings from the week.
Planner Fletcher acknowledged his experience with the National APA conference. He placed emphasis on short term rentals.
Commissioner Ostler clarified the idea behind this push for short term rentals and the agreement. Planner Fletcher discussed the agreement in more detail.
Planner Hancey added that the short term rental and its language will be reviewed.
Planner Hancey provided a reminder for Bike Month. Engineer James provided information on the trail.
Commissioner Ostler introduced the Vineyard days and asked for an update. Planner Hancey discussed the parade and informed the council that the next planning commission meeting will most likely be cancelled. ADJOURNMENT The meeting was adjourned at26 pm. MINUTES CERTIFIED CORRECT ON: 21/24 CERTIFIED BY: Madison Reed, Planning Technician

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	Eric, dear Father in Heaven for a great and important day, and we're grateful for this opportunity to meet together when you	00:00:08
	create the 1000.	00:00:13
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	Exclusion.	00:00:26
	Of America.	00:00:29
	And one nation, we are indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.	00:00:43
	All right, we'll get right to the top of times if anybody has any comments that they would like to make.	00:00:53
	Do you understand?	00:00:59
	1 - 3 when it comes up.	00:01:23
	Right on the business item 5.1 and the 5.1.	00:01:27
	OK.	00:01:42
	Yeah, this is kind of.	00:01:49
	We do have.	00:01:56
	People submitting an e-mail.	00:01:59
	Back in I think it was November of last year plan approval for their site on 400 and more roads and recently been going through	00:02:02
	the plan before construction and the onward year there is a question.	00:02:10
	With a restructure level on the east side of the building and so.	00:02:19
	Amendment and this site plan reflects that there. So you can see there's increased designing the word 5.	00:02:26
	Structure, as much as I watch to show you kind of a highlight.	00:02:35
	The first one they they move to the bike rack a little bit towards the door.	00:02:41
	That increases the number of feedings and then they just straighten out that crosswalk there. That's possibly so.	00:02:48
	Umm, depends. I have kind of elevation to show you umm, this shows that the removal of that place to that platform is the	00:02:56
	originally experienced elevation, a little bit higher elevation on that, on that side and then the structuring. So.	00:03:06
	That that's all that we had.	00:03:18
	Somebody answering questions that you have, I'm happy to.	00:03:21
	But there were no notable transform.	00:03:25
	Yeah, or marketing.	00:03:28
	I believe that it didn't have that in the. If you want I could look for that.	00:03:34
	Umm.	00:03:51
	Networks, but our service doesn't and my files crash.	00:04:08
	Let me hear you look like.	00:04:14
	Yeah, let let me see if I can pull up a different way here.	00:04:16
	So.	00:04:31
	The old building was 5201 square feet.	00:04:36
	And yeah, the new one is.	00:04:41
	So this actually does decrease the the parking needs I mean but it didn't add more but they are not reducing their.	00:04:44
	Any other questions?	00:05:03
	There's a motion.	00:05:06
	Yeah, I.	00:05:09
	Too.	00:05:14
	7 seconds, second, all in favor. All right, seven and 8-9.	00:05:16
	Thank you. So, Miss Anthony, are you with me?	00:05:31
	I have one.	00:05:38
	And I will be presenting on the portrait of seven and eight live work units.	00:06:24
	So this map shows the location of the site it is actually located between.	00:06:31
	The Central St.	00:06:41
	Bridge to the north and the new Vineyard Rd. to the South. That's what you see here in the yellow highlight.	00:06:43
	That's your up close that is.	00:06:59
	That's right being uh, showing them there. So this side would have uh, 56 live work townhomes in it, umm, occupying us, you know,	00:07:02
	land, uh, area of about 4.6 umm.	00:07:10
	Acres and I would have a dog run park. It has three yards that would be designed in a way to accommodate for, you know, nice	00:07:19
	******** area for clients or visitors that come into that area. We would also have parking, you know, not parking has been created	00:07:28
	beyond what we actually require.	00:07:36
	So we have 24.	00:07:45
	You have, you know, garages attached to these units and we have 117 additional parking on the new Bernard Rd.	00:07:51
	Yeah, so this is, umm, an overall site plan showing how it's going to pretty much look.	00:08:03
	And all these have garages attached to it as well.	00:08:10
	This is going to be the area where you have the dog run park.	00:08:16
	In the best for you, umm elevations that I had access to show you in this presentation and if you have any questions.	00:08:20
	Would be happy to answer. Now everything looks good.	00:08:30
	And we recommend.	00:08:37
	Approval.	00:08:39
	We have to mention.	00:08:41
	I don't seem to see any.	00:08:46
	The office building from where the elevation is that.	00:08:52
	Of future days or.	00:08:57
	So this this one here is.	00:09:02
	I can't remember when we went through this previously. That is only for tenant.	00:09:17
	And then we talked about the.	00:09:31
	That there are currently quite a lot of.	00:09:37
	And having something that's more important, Umm.	00:09:43
	I'm looking at blinds we didn't find, now they're.	00:09:49
	Hoping that there's just as many, if not more entries.	00:09:54
	I don't know.	00:10:06
	So in order to build a parking along the north side of.	00:10:19
	To our property and that's where we get our additional.	00:10:32
	There is no partnership there, although.	00:10:38
	I have no problem with the trees and why we can pick the trees and destroy the sidewalk and cloud one.	00:10:44
	Let me move red button three. I was having a problem.	00:10:57
	And we can put that in condition.	00:11:07
	You can see all along there.	00:11:12
	Yeah.	00:11:28
	So.	00:11:30
	I'm fine with that. All right, great.	00:11:39
	Were there any other questions?	00:11:48
	I got no.	00:11:51
	Umm, at our last session.	00:11:55
	Are there is any?	00:12:06
	Thing.	00:12:10
	So.	00:12:14
	It looks like you're the property.	00:12:17
	Off the bridge.	00:12:32
	And there's other areas that will be over on the far.	00:12:34
	Yeah, we see those Part 2. So those parts installed are public parks installed?	00:12:43
	Do both for the bike path and then we have a three two Goldberg City garden.	00:12:51
	So.	00:13:08
	On the whole north side and along the whole north side.	00:13:11
	Of the bridge all along the public right away.	00:13:20
	And we're going to access.	00:13:28
	Construction.	00:13:47
	I think I have about 15 or 17. I think it's flexible.	00:13:48
	Down the right way when I have roughly.	00:13:58
	Today and it doesn't hunger, Truck 50 workers will pick up some stuff. And I told Morgan I'm happy to talk about Gates when I'm	00:14:03
	done. I'm not going to start. So I actually agree with that.	00:14:10
	There's no way, yeah. And so we control the access through the engine there. They could get out onto the sidewalk from there, kind	00:14:18
	of control the interest. Would it be possible to put in the data?	00:14:27
	No, no, no, All right. I mean it says. I mean lock it until.	00:14:38
	I'd rather come back and, and I'll be here for 10 years. I'll be here probably longer than most of you will be here. So I'm happy	00:14:47
	to come back and put gates and construction, but we'll be here for five more years.	00:14:53
	I think permanent tuition right now.	00:15:02
	Placed on.	00:15:10
	That day.	00:15:16
	But as far as around the backside?	00:16:03
	You got it, OK.	00:16:23
	Yeah.	00:16:52
	Another question, real quick reminder, do you anticipate in the buyer or?	00:16:58
	Maybe you guys.	00:17:14
	Probably going to be.	00:17:17
	We'll get started in our development.	00:18:56
	And we're here in December talking about.	00:18:59
	Yeah, they they get from our our players that I, I think what?	00:19:17
	How do you get the HOA due to accept or recheck and?	00:19:58
	Protection of the City 2.	00:20:06
	We put in our development.	00:20:21
	Allow what was allowed, so at least you have a.	00:20:25
	Pretty clear idea of what we think is going to happen.	00:20:29
	Yeah, here's your.	00:20:34
	But this is the.	00:20:38
	OK.	00:20:42
	You're going back to cover. This is where we started working on this idea because the number of people that had moved there.	00:20:46
	Operations for all.	00:20:53
	Umm the idea that these umm businesses would be enough committed use and also have a residential.	00:20:59
	Development agreement.	00:21:07
	Got another information there that.	00:21:08
	10 minutes.	00:21:12
	On the residential side would not be so many different benefits.	00:21:14
	And so.	00:21:21
	That's fine.	00:21:24
	I again.	00:21:29
	Umm, so how how, how we have these things done. We haven't umm. And so essentially the.	00:21:54
	Will be that inferior growth?	00:22:24
	And then all of these garages and then they.	00:22:32
	Comments in place for UMM.	00:22:38
	That.	00:22:44
	Providing for the customer.	00:22:50
	These numbers as far as coming up in fact, that are not included on the department.	00:22:57
	OK.	00:23:10
	Not including the office.	00:23:16
	I don't know how to feel. I need to pull it up.	00:23:19
	And 1:00 on the other side.	00:23:25
	Year growth, particularly when this trend Sports Complex.	00:23:48
	And then if you were to add other uses along that and the solution is.	00:23:56
	For Lakeside goes up to about.	00:24:16
	Yeah. And we, we thought we talked about.	00:24:23
	One of my parking regulations about the street parking list.	00:24:28
	Parking and so.	00:24:33
	On.	00:24:40
	I don't have access to.	00:25:35
	Thank you. Umm.	00:25:41
	So.	00:25:47
	There we go, that will eventually connect.	00:25:53
	And never connect. This will never ever happen.	00:25:58
	Here, right here, right here. So I want to know what the system?	00:26:08
	And a lot of these things.	00:26:32
	Pretty much.	00:26:35
	Did you guys have any other questions?	00:26:42
	I think there's something there.	00:26:56
	The employees of the.	00:27:01
	And we're talking about essentially on the.	00:27:18
	Yeah, I think.	00:27:55
	Having that come out, so the people that are very clear like this is not.	00:28:03
	Cool. Umm is there any questions? Want to make a motion that we started using questions on this one or the other one?	00:28:11
	OK. OK. Yeah, all right. Were you in the were you in the meeting?	00:28:18
	Yeah.	00:28:33
	Yeah.	00:28:34
	I do not. I've been reading this looking at the church generation table.	00:28:38
	And I would like someone to explain it to me. And then also the last question, the last paragraph of.	00:28:46
	Mr. Insurance report.	00:28:54
	Agenda. Umm.	00:28:58
	Please umm the concern with the restructuring of these Vineyard Rd. with how to keep the surrounding faces from using that parking	00:29:01
	space as well. Our recommendation is South side of the road be submitted for employees $45 and the Northside is restricted to 2-3	00:29:08
	hours parking for guests. This will become an enforcement issue and once residents know that parking is not avoid then they will	00:29:15
	be using an office 3 parking.	00:29:22
	That was a concern that I had because we are having problems with enforcement in Utah State.	00:29:30
	People in parking willing really blurting on Market Street and Main St.	00:29:35
	I know that's not getting enforced and that's on five, but I just don't understand how this works the first generation and it's	00:29:41
	just zero daily trip.	00:29:47
	Wait a minute, how could not be? And also at that brother's opening a new clubhouse.	00:29:56
	I think would be beneficial if they put flashing.	00:30:05
	And uh, Main Street to protect those residents and here might be using back and forth.	00:30:12
	And I'm also concerned with the parking machine.	00:30:19
	Angles, people backing out and someone in that.	00:30:24
	I.	00:30:45
	And.	00:30:50
	At least in there I'm planning for this section we have an approved.	00:31:05
	Down section, yet none of those are supported. They have the backup like.	00:31:13
	And also need to address that you mentioned you're working on a parking study right now and they have a building and they can't do	00:31:20
	them.	00:31:25
	I'm still over shutting a parking station.	00:31:32
	And then traffic study.	00:31:44
	Yeah, the.	00:31:53
	Yeah, I don't think this is going to be something that we can figure out.	00:33:19
	So.	00:33:32
	Yeah. I just wanted to kind of bring some other business, uh.	00:34:11
	Something like that. It's very parking.	00:34:16
	We will fill up the parking test and everything.	00:34:19
	Else so how?	00:34:30
	Umm, you know, that was helpful in that there were, you know, wording about enforcement and how.	00:34:38
	Umm.	00:35:08
	In place before the.	00:35:46
	And.	00:35:56
	So is that?	00:36:06
	Umm, and then.	00:36:13
	I'm just looking over the site for dinner.	00:36:20
	OK, I, I, I was doing that, Umm, and especially what, what the studies saying is that it's kind of difficult to Snapple down	00:36:25
	because you're going to have a business owner resulting in that you're going to have.	00:36:31
	Uh, you know, one to two employees, up to two employees. And so they said, you know, at the end of business there did have to	00:36:39
	employ.	00:36:42
	Ers you know does not have to be done and delaying what data is they.	00:36:48
	Did a confirmation based on the personal state and then.	00:36:57
	And they said also would require 104 and we are providing 185. They're saying what's going to be.	00:37:02
	Breakdown by any other ground floor footage of the retail.	00:37:17
	Umm.	00:37:32
	Happen.	00:37:39
	Then I understand what the.	00:37:44
	It wasn't. It doesn't have to do with. I can look to see my.	00:37:56
	Page or Yeah.	00:38:06
	Generic disease in the.	00:38:12
	800.	00:38:16
	Yeah.	00:38:23
	'S original.	00:38:26
	Yeah, it's that old.	00:38:35
	I'll, I'll be honest, but I think what it's doing.	00:38:41
	So when you have retail, you don't generate.	00:38:49
	Umm.	00:38:55
	From that location. So I think that's what I understand. It's going to lead some location. You're not generating people going	00:38:57
	through it.	00:39:03
	I I'm not sometimes an expert, I'd emphasize more into it, but I see.	00:39:11
	I do have.	00:39:16
	From from the.	00:39:19
	So they're really not looking at the device here, just and what they predicted. We have no snapshot on the.	00:39:27
	Engineering.	00:39:55
	I know that we talked about this when we went over the 2003 months as far as traffic and how it's gonna impact.	00:40:00
	And I don't remember exactly what the conclusion came to, but it was more of a that this isn't when I'm having it be live working.	00:40:11
	Through that when it was agreement a long time ago. So I think as far as.	00:40:26
	The script generation OK since anything that we can do it wouldn't change it and what it used to be when we did this operating	00:40:37
	back.	00:40:41
	With we had this in mind when the diabetic movement.	00:40:47
	I don't think.	00:40:58
	Yeah, we're gonna see a.	00:41:23
	Do that.	00:41:27
	Umm, OK.	00:41:39
	Uh, any other questions?	00:41:43
	I I modify that for you, I see right on the ground.	00:41:45
	Report as well as.	00:41:51
	Trees should be selected using.	00:41:58
	Trees.	00:42:04
	And with the second one with.	00:42:23
	That.	00:42:33
	Bye bye.	00:42:35
	I'm sure they're going to want to put it on a later stage, I would imagine. Is that what you were? Is that something?	00:42:39
	Yeah, yeah.	00:43:12
	Yeah.	00:43:16
	This one that we're approving or for the?	00:43:23
	Sure.	00:43:29
	Yeah, yeah. No. But I think what the developer is saying is he wants to gate no gates until the whole thing's done, like in the	00:43:33
	adjustment drug area.	00:43:37
	Yeah, for the last days, right.	00:43:43
	Yeah.	00:43:47
	So like the balance? Yeah, All right.	00:43:49
	I mean, maybe it does make sense for this to put the data in, Weld it and then unweld it before issuing.	00:43:54
	When we can be ready to.	00:44:05
	Do it? I mean, I don't know anybody else.	00:44:08
	Yeah, yeah.	00:44:34
	All right.	00:44:39
	And questions and.	00:44:41
	For the percolation on that lab condition approval.	00:44:44
	Uh-huh.	00:45:26
	So, uh, so I'll just, uh, recommend approval of the post that plan with our.	00:45:33
	One second, all right. All in favor. All right, all right. Moving on to 5.3.	00:45:45
	Can you do anything on this last time And we have two takeaways.	00:46:05
	This last weekend that was my kind of discussed those and and so I'll just give a brief update.	00:46:16
	20.	00:46:27
	You know, umm, it shows quite a few connections. Sidewalks.	00:46:29
	Uh, and then they're Advil they essentially, uh, incenting on Cortana lanes. There's no, I believe it's 4% funds and I should. And	00:46:34
	so I just talked to him and kind of the discussion. We have the 7-8 like there where you're, that they have, you know, really big	00:46:41
	concerns about children from one on the street there.	00:46:49
	Along Center Street or anything gate around Center St.	00:46:59
	Uh, for the, you know, in the past as as far as.	00:47:04
	Doing that, but it would be one of those.	00:47:11
	Construction.	00:47:15
	Five years.	00:47:21
	Safety.	00:47:25
	Uh, the other area that we talked about in planning mission, we feel was discussion area with sidewalks just kind of ended and in	00:47:28
	my work available putting in sidewalks right here.	00:47:34
	Into the the internal dialogue safely.	00:47:43
	Umm, were there any other concerns that you guys had in terms of the.	00:47:48
	All right, Yeah. So and it is the most important thing as well. And concrete.	00:48:01
	About for example, umm up in this area in the previous site plan. This is all.	00:48:12
	Landscape and then take that landscape now and.	00:48:22
	The people, girls out there, so they don't want them right now kind of building. So throughout the the development environment	00:48:27
	area as well. Right here it is for the normal congregation provided on that stage. I don't know if there's any other statement.	00:48:34
	We could not go in 2012.	00:49:03
	That's when we had our first site plan approval on the 288 unit and that we've done umm via a development.	00:49:06
	Building where footage is designed.	00:49:16
	A dimension not moved and and so Don felt that if we had a 30 foot wide and then umm space of Earth to face the first it would	00:49:20
	allow and do your access for automobile old and it's number and number and the agreement with.	00:49:30
	The issue on the part of the concrete concrete pads moving forward.	00:49:41
	Umm, the units all have virtual umm, but it was our whole with our challenge. They did not have a cash drill.	00:49:46
	On those front portions and then covered.	00:49:56
	So we get smoked, Yeah.	00:50:00
	So the idea wasn't going to create the hard state throughout the development.	00:50:02
	Umm, with those are the two major changes around the landscape plan. I've been sitting here through 13 years. I know what grows	00:50:08
	and I know what that is. And so on our on our landscape plan, we did plan here.	00:50:17
	And most of it I.	00:50:28
	Put the number.	00:50:33
	In a couple of weeks, but I have 970.	00:50:35
	And it doesn't matter what time of the day you come over or what time of year you won't have time to meet.	00:50:41
	Continue to go that I actually enjoy and so, umm, I think we've done a really good job over there as far as the landscaping that	00:50:49
	we've done a really good job of uh.	00:50:55
	Wanting to provide this little with the number of times we have over there.	00:51:02
	We were not expecting that. We were expecting that more students who don't have 10 students in 47.	00:51:06
	Families or.	00:51:14
	Looking at our parking, we were worried that we have I think we can only have three or development agreement and our CCNR and	00:51:17
	allow free students.	00:51:24
	Which is our age.	00:51:34
	And each 6 bedrooms and four bathrooms and about four people living in that.	00:51:37
	So we are we control our H4 extremely right.	00:51:44
	So umm, those are the 2 digits. The two big changes are one time.	00:51:49
	What we planted, How many we planted?	00:51:54
	And I guess again with.	00:52:07
	Questions on the north side.	00:52:12
	They should come over about 7:30 in the morning.	00:52:15
	And the only way.	00:52:25
	And if we wanted to.	00:52:28
	To.	00:52:36
	And the independence for the trial?	00:52:43
	So we can put the same thing you want me to.	00:52:48
	And you can put a couple gates on portion. I'm not going out on the center street, but I have.	00:52:55
	I for the people that are currently living there.	00:53:13
	I mean like inside the development itself, do they just watch them on the road inside there or? Well, I agree before it's like	00:53:23
	walk on the north side right there, but that'll be done on Monday, so.	00:53:29
	Umm, the date will go out either both instances.	00:53:37
	To develop.	00:53:42
	Yeah, it's a big concern from one of those, uh, commissioners that's not here today was.	00:53:44
	Just that is umm, how, how we went to the around them or something like that. That would be kids like going to school to school.	00:53:56
	They lived in one of these middle buildings, umm, I think, but umm, fantastic.	00:54:07
	And.	00:54:19
	That.	00:54:22
	And then from the side of that over to the West side, how?	00:54:26
	There's a crosswalk there, right?	00:54:37
	On South.	00:54:45
	And most of the.	00:54:52
	Driveway.	00:55:02
	You know, it's really the kind of building, you know, in the place you could maybe do like an angled one because you.	00:55:04
	Umm.	00:55:12
	Umm, is there any other sidewalk along these shots? 5 weeks ago.	00:55:36
	That's right here, yeah.	00:55:46
	OK.	00:56:00
	Uh, any other questions?	00:56:02
	Gate, uh.	00:56:12
	But I haven't considered the most public place.	00:56:16
	So I went, no, I appreciate.	00:56:20
	And.	00:56:23
	And the board, umm, part of enough to say we'll watch your kids, but on the other side I have to and then can't watch them. I get	00:56:26
	it and I can see the attractiveness.	00:56:32
	Umm, a neighborhood? I don't know.	00:56:39
	So.	00:56:49
	Even though my personal opinion I would like to see, I can also understand why there's no.	00:56:49
	Aggressively pushing that.	00:56:59
	And considering the elections business where it's not, chances are lost so.	00:57:02
	Any questions? I have a motion.	00:57:10
	Something else?	00:57:14
	Uh, I'm not trying to improve it.	00:57:19
	Have stated by the staff recommendation.	00:57:22
	Bear with me a second.	00:57:26
	All in favor. All right, Thank you. Thank you for coming in and and clarify a lot for us. Yeah, thank you. Appreciate it.	00:57:28
	All right, moving to 5.4, we'll be start planning for digital use from this application.	00:57:38
	And.	00:57:44
	Umm.	00:57:48
	OK, so umm, let me just find here for when you. So this is a lot.	00:57:51
	Of like the very point, I'm not sure any problems development is going to be language too many of them who have.	00:58:00
	But that.	00:58:11
	Umm, as far as when it was like on the line, you have a.	00:58:15
	As you explain where it is.	00:58:20
	Stand that coffee shop.	00:58:27
	Yeah, it's, it's just more of money if you're familiar with what you want.	00:58:30
	I do not have that.	00:58:39
	Right here you have very clean happy Dragon motherboard. And then it would be more awful, right?	00:58:45
	All right, so here's the first.	00:59:06
	Umm, and you can see it'll have an access through off of the, umm, off of the West here. This is becoming in from that road. If	00:59:09
	you're coming on side street or if you're straight in that road, Umm, eventually we have to drive through that has more on that	00:59:18
	road that as well as entrance and working on, uh, axis point. How many were really right here, which will be.	00:59:28
	So.	00:59:39
	Efficient, Umm, those 22 applications list, umm, ideas like coming into this, uh, more than entrance. We're going through the	00:59:40
	drive through. They rock around this way and exit. You know, they're, they're talking to even all that we're off to the the way.	00:59:49
	And then they can either go back to Geneva.	01:00:00
	Umm.	01:00:09
	I went somewhere on that presentation.	01:00:11
	All right, so, umm, a few things to note here we, uh, the Wendy's himself because we're landing and they're not actually going to	01:00:15
	stay on the red lines to the east, which goes up between the road and that that does have some complications for us because that	01:00:21
	area and so.	01:00:27
	That when I get the entire.	01:00:38
	Issue.	01:00:42
	Umm, just to make sure that we do the, the documentation when you're providing that crosswalk across the directory that we've been	01:00:44
	connected to the sidewalk, the trail umm, along.	01:00:50
	Umm, Benzolyn, the other conditional approval that we do have is, is is location for device department to show that we can review.	01:00:58
	We just want to make sure.	01:01:03
	As far as letting you know, they are providing that script. Umm #12 is provided as a number of landscaping that I don't know if	01:01:13
	it's being proposed.	01:01:18
	That.	01:01:26
	Yeah.	01:01:29
	Landscape direct, uh, along the road, which would actually be, you know.	01:01:30
	Umm, and that's kind of our our, you know.	01:01:38
	Condition of approval here that they any correction, you know, if you have any questions, I'm just going to not answer. Mm-hmm.	01:01:45
	Uh, just looking at the.	01:02:08
	And that's the very first one, yeah.	01:02:10
	Uh.	01:02:16
	West side and then pulling in and they pull in on the website. Umm, but it's I I don't know if you could find it up or not, but it	01:02:36
	it may access to that drive in your impossible. They don't have access to that drive through.	01:02:43
	Umm, I did, you know efficiently.	01:02:51
	Uh, Andrew Hornets community? Umm.	01:03:00
	Yeah. So there would be signage for Do not enter.	01:03:03
	One later to make e-mail there is perfect.	01:03:10
	OK, cool. That's great.	01:03:16
	And I did also.	01:03:23
	Skate lane for people first so since we do have the the pull forward solve there.	01:03:27
	I'm trying to drive through window for.	01:03:36
	So I look forward to stay longer. I've had things for the priority.	01:03:40
	So.	01:03:49
	And I do believe on the deceleration over that door is that always employee home?	01:04:06
	As soon as possible. Intended for like a few DoorDash.	01:04:16
	Cool.	01:04:21
	Other questions, is there anything else you want to present cash I just want to ask.	01:04:49
	Communication from the timeline on that.	01:04:59
	I have plans, but I don't have a date from when you were. All I guess up here is that, you know they wait in years to work on that	01:05:05
	building pipeline is moving on that landscaping and then you know you have to try to do a whole new.	01:05:13
	Yeah, with that condition that they did that landscaping installed prior.	01:05:31
	I don't think so.	01:05:42
	Umm yeah, for whatever reason, we're going to go like that. You would actually OK and it also if you guys do you guys do for	01:05:45
	whatever reason, we could come back with us on a pipeline amendment and.	01:05:53
	Stuff cool. Yeah, yeah. So that and the the bicycle back, right. So I just want to see, you know, she's to show that it's not sure	01:06:04
	that it's within our standard.	01:06:11
	OK, is there any other questions I have in options?	01:06:20
	I'd like to recommend approval of the Site Plan and Conditional Use permit application as presented.	01:06:24
	And it would be just with the condition.	01:06:30
	That's fine. Second.	01:06:33
	Last month.	01:06:37
	All right. Thank you so much.	01:06:40
	OK, it's not going to work. Sessions, any staff permission report.	01:06:45
	I'll be able to put down the national. Tuesday was like.	01:06:54
	And then?	01:07:24
	She was doing that 90% of our attendance.	01:07:32
	So, uh, but what we saw, we we destroyed.	01:07:52
	So like.	01:08:18
	Yeah. So, umm, I have a chance to be part of the national APA, umm, conference. So every year the national, the, you know,	01:08:22
	American Planning Association has conference that held throughout the state. You know, they change the state every year. So this	01:08:30
	year it was in Minneapolis and I had the chat to be part of it.	01:08:37
	To experience.	01:08:46
	And I'm experiencing what other students are doing and also, uh, get to interact with, uh, planostrom the entire country and learn	01:08:48
	from things that they've been doing. And one of the things, well, two of the things that stuck out to me mostly was the problems	01:08:55
	we're facing is not just we're facing, everyone is facing something close to it. So everyone, like all the planets are willing to	01:09:02
	work together to help us solve our problem. One of those.	01:09:09
	Would be social rentals.	01:09:17
	So the big thing so I'm cities, a lot of cities still don't allow short term residents. They have the minimums like we do have,	01:09:19
	which is 30 days or more. Airbnb was there as one of the executives and also people that presented and they.	01:09:28
	Have tried working with the city in the past but what happens is their competitors end up getting business that you know would	01:09:38
	have been their business because they've been working with the city to stop people from listing the property. So they also will	01:09:45
	stop and rather develop a system to help city free of charge.	01:09:52
	Uh, manage, umm, listen, if you allow for short term rentals, so something that we need to consider in the future because would	01:10:00
	have a better outcome if we, if we allow for certain rental by managing that rather than having, you know, an ordinance that	01:10:09
	solely restricts, you know, certain rental. But we still have it all going because even if DRDO, RBNB and all.	01:10:19
	You know, listen, fight.	01:10:29
	You know, umm, work with us to stop that. The problem is, you know, that is the start of a real wicked problem because you can	01:10:32
	have people still listed on Facebook, you know, just their word of mouth, it will still be unknown. So we rather have to work	01:10:38
	with.	01:10:43
	These living sites to be able to help solve the problem together by allowing it and managing it as appropriate because friends are	01:10:51
	changing people for says those more than hotels when they're traveling with family. So it's just one of the things that I learned	01:10:58
	that I thought was a very useful one.	01:11:05
	Among many things, I I'd borrow you if I have to go through the number of days that I saw through different sessions.	01:11:12
	To you know, I've been sharing all these things with my fellow planners and so we're we're thinking of ways to make work more	01:11:20
	efficient.	01:11:24
	Umm, to help build a city?	01:11:30
	Five days or four days? The idea is maybe the junior will prove short term everything.	01:11:35
	8 And I started 12 cascades and monitored that way. You have to have a permit and then you can use author that that would be a	01:11:44
	better route to go and every so if we decide to go that route, these companies are willing to work with us.	01:11:52
	To make good suggestions that work, there were there were other cities that presented cases like that where it was more like	01:12:01
	they're allowed to set in.	01:12:07
	You know, Airbnb happening in that, you know, in the whole city of different areas and neighborhoods that point we have full	01:12:13
	access to these platforms because you cannot just by web of mouse go and stop someone from, you know, operating like that. You	01:12:19
	need a lot of proof. I need to to talk to this at that point, if we allow it and Airbnb gives us access to your platform at A at A	01:12:25
	at a.	01:12:32
	Court enforcement level, we can know what's going on, what has been listed, who is presently, you know, umm.	01:12:41
	Leave another house for, you know, these services and then we can go after them if you're not doing things right. Because if we	01:12:49
	need only 5 minutes maybe and we have 8 listed in there, we need to follow up on them because now we have, you know, the platform	01:12:55
	that shows us exactly what's going on in the game right now. We don't have access because if they give us access to stuff like	01:13:01
	that.	01:13:07
	Then, you know, just going down on the business because other people would have been able to be there so.	01:13:14
	Is this kind of a win win thing if we decide to allow structure of rental and many cities have done different things that have	01:13:19
	worked for them including umm dedicated set in areas for that and having, you know, areas also spread out through the city having	01:13:26
	courses and all that neighborhoods.	01:13:32
	Uh, restrictions that could could happen if we can allow the.	01:13:41
	Airbnb.	01:13:46
	You know, it was a big thing because they they tried watching with the city. It wasn't as well. They tried working with some	01:13:50
	cities because it was a big problem. But then they realized like.	01:13:57
	If they held the city stop these listings, please still go on Facebook or other competitive websites anyway so.	01:14:06
	Why would we help you stop our business? Stuff like that.	01:14:17
	I I will add that this isn't going to be drafted.	01:14:22
	Language.	01:14:29
	Hopefully in the next few months we'll see that.	01:14:32
	Like.	01:14:37
	On on a time like.	01:14:42
	Yeah, it's it's almost impossible that it's been so funny for me that companies like PWL and Airbnb. No. And they know that it's	01:14:46
	easier to do it. And now they're like, hey, we'll help you manage it. Thank you.	01:14:55
	I do have a few other things.	01:15:07
	I just want to remind everybody.	01:15:14
	Call my back to the trash can.	01:15:24
	I'm not at 10:00 AM and maybe it's at least part all the information you found out.	01:15:41
	And I will know on that one. We're crossing our viewers, the trails going underneath.	01:15:48
	I have some rotates something down but it will be successfully hidden we're we're working on it.	01:15:57
	So depending on how it happens, so.	01:16:08
	Yeah. I feel like something a little bit something. Yeah, that's.	01:16:27
	Coming up last year around.	01:16:32
	So what's the plan here?	01:16:37
	On the 29th, I don't believe the float if you like to go and.	01:16:41
	And they do not motorized vehicle and I'll find it out. We are doing more than welcome to umm. In fact, I just wanted to bring the	01:16:48
	gap money we have in your day-to-day end of the month. Uh, we have the plan, master plan and hopefully. And then the last thing I	01:16:56
	have is I, I believe that the next transmission is going to be canceled.	01:17:04
	So we will initially be supposed to talk earlier, but.	01:17:14
	So.	01:17:20
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	Eric, dear Father in Heaven for a great and important day, and we're grateful for this opportunity to meet together when you	00:00:08
	create the 1000.	00:00:13
	Especially.	00:00:20
	Exclusion.	00:00:26
	Of America.	00:00:29
	And one nation, we are indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.	00:00:43
	All right, we'll get right to the top of times if anybody has any comments that they would like to make.	00:00:53
	Do you understand?	00:00:59
	1 - 3 when it comes up.	00:01:23
	Right on the business item 5.1 and the 5.1.	00:01:27
	OK.	00:01:42
	Yeah, this is kind of.	00:01:49
	We do have.	00:01:56
	People submitting an e-mail.	00:01:59
	Back in I think it was November of last year plan approval for their site on 400 and more roads and recently been going through	00:02:02
	the plan before construction and the onward year there is a question.	00:02:10
	With a restructure level on the east side of the building and so.	00:02:19
	Amendment and this site plan reflects that there. So you can see there's increased designing the word 5.	00:02:26
	Structure, as much as I watch to show you kind of a highlight.	00:02:35
	The first one they they move to the bike rack a little bit towards the door.	00:02:41
	That increases the number of feedings and then they just straighten out that crosswalk there. That's possibly so.	00:02:48
	Umm, depends. I have kind of elevation to show you umm, this shows that the removal of that place to that platform is the	00:02:56
	originally experienced elevation, a little bit higher elevation on that, on that side and then the structuring. So.	00:03:06
	That that's all that we had.	00:03:18
	Somebody answering questions that you have, I'm happy to.	00:03:21
	But there were no notable transform.	00:03:25
	Yeah, or marketing.	00:03:28
	I believe that it didn't have that in the. If you want I could look for that.	00:03:34
	Umm.	00:03:51
	Networks, but our service doesn't and my files crash.	00:04:08
	Let me hear you look like.	00:04:14
	Yeah, let let me see if I can pull up a different way here.	00:04:16
	So.	00:04:31
	The old building was 5201 square feet.	00:04:36
	And yeah, the new one is.	00:04:41
	So this actually does decrease the the parking needs I mean but it didn't add more but they are not reducing their.	00:04:44
	Any other questions?	00:05:03
	There's a motion.	00:05:06
	Yeah, I.	00:05:09
	Too.	00:05:14
	7 seconds, second, all in favor. All right, seven and 8-9.	00:05:16
	Thank you. So, Miss Anthony, are you with me?	00:05:31
	I have one.	00:05:38
	And I will be presenting on the portrait of seven and eight live work units.	00:06:24
	So this map shows the location of the site it is actually located between.	00:06:31
	The Central St.	00:06:41
	Bridge to the north and the new Vineyard Rd. to the South. That's what you see here in the yellow highlight.	00:06:43
	That's your up close that is.	00:06:59
	That's right being uh, showing them there. So this side would have uh, 56 live work townhomes in it, umm, occupying us, you know,	00:07:02
	land, uh, area of about 4.6 umm.	00:07:10
	Acres and I would have a dog run park. It has three yards that would be designed in a way to accommodate for, you know, nice	00:07:19
	******** area for clients or visitors that come into that area. We would also have parking, you know, not parking has been created	00:07:28
	beyond what we actually require.	00:07:36
	So we have 24.	00:07:45
	You have, you know, garages attached to these units and we have 117 additional parking on the new Bernard Rd.	00:07:51
	Yeah, so this is, umm, an overall site plan showing how it's going to pretty much look.	00:08:03
	And all these have garages attached to it as well.	00:08:10
	This is going to be the area where you have the dog run park.	00:08:16
	In the best for you, umm elevations that I had access to show you in this presentation and if you have any questions.	00:08:20
	Would be happy to answer. Now everything looks good.	00:08:30
	And we recommend.	00:08:37
	Approval.	00:08:39
	We have to mention.	00:08:41
	I don't seem to see any.	00:08:46
	The office building from where the elevation is that.	00:08:52
	Of future days or.	00:08:57
	So this this one here is.	00:09:02
	I can't remember when we went through this previously. That is only for tenant.	00:09:17
	And then we talked about the.	00:09:31
	That there are currently quite a lot of.	00:09:37
	And having something that's more important, Umm.	00:09:43
	I'm looking at blinds we didn't find, now they're.	00:09:49
	Hoping that there's just as many, if not more entries.	00:09:54
	I don't know.	00:10:06
	So in order to build a parking along the north side of.	00:10:19
	To our property and that's where we get our additional.	00:10:32
	There is no partnership there, although.	00:10:38
	I have no problem with the trees and why we can pick the trees and destroy the sidewalk and cloud one.	00:10:44
	Let me move red button three. I was having a problem.	00:10:57
	And we can put that in condition.	00:11:07
	You can see all along there.	00:11:12
	Yeah.	00:11:28
	So.	00:11:30
	I'm fine with that. All right, great.	00:11:39
	Were there any other questions?	00:11:48
	I got no.	00:11:51
	Umm, at our last session.	00:11:55
	Are there is any?	00:12:06
	Thing.	00:12:10
	So.	00:12:14
	It looks like you're the property.	00:12:17
	Off the bridge.	00:12:32
	And there's other areas that will be over on the far.	00:12:34
	Yeah, we see those Part 2. So those parts installed are public parks installed?	00:12:43
	Do both for the bike path and then we have a three two Goldberg City garden.	00:12:51
	So.	00:13:08
	On the whole north side and along the whole north side.	00:13:11
	Of the bridge all along the public right away.	00:13:20
	And we're going to access.	00:13:28
	Construction.	00:13:47
	I think I have about 15 or 17. I think it's flexible.	00:13:48
	Down the right way when I have roughly.	00:13:58
	Today and it doesn't hunger, Truck 50 workers will pick up some stuff. And I told Morgan I'm happy to talk about Gates when I'm	00:14:03
	done. I'm not going to start. So I actually agree with that.	00:14:10
	There's no way, yeah. And so we control the access through the engine there. They could get out onto the sidewalk from there, kind	00:14:18
	of control the interest. Would it be possible to put in the data?	00:14:27
	No, no, no, All right. I mean it says. I mean lock it until.	00:14:38
	I'd rather come back and, and I'll be here for 10 years. I'll be here probably longer than most of you will be here. So I'm happy	00:14:47
	to come back and put gates and construction, but we'll be here for five more years.	00:14:53
	I think permanent tuition right now.	00:15:02
	Placed on.	00:15:10
	That day.	00:15:16
	But as far as around the backside?	00:16:03
	You got it, OK.	00:16:23
	Yeah.	00:16:52
	Another question, real quick reminder, do you anticipate in the buyer or?	00:16:58
	Maybe you guys.	00:17:14
	Probably going to be.	00:17:17
	We'll get started in our development.	00:18:56
	And we're here in December talking about.	00:18:59
	Yeah, they they get from our our players that I, I think what?	00:19:17
	How do you get the HOA due to accept or recheck and?	00:19:58
	Protection of the City 2.	00:20:06
	We put in our development.	00:20:21
	Allow what was allowed, so at least you have a.	00:20:25
	Pretty clear idea of what we think is going to happen.	00:20:29
	Yeah, here's your.	00:20:34
	But this is the.	00:20:38
	OK.	00:20:42
	You're going back to cover. This is where we started working on this idea because the number of people that had moved there.	00:20:46
	Operations for all.	00:20:53
	Umm the idea that these umm businesses would be enough committed use and also have a residential.	00:20:59
	Development agreement.	00:21:07
	Got another information there that.	00:21:08
	10 minutes.	00:21:12
	On the residential side would not be so many different benefits.	00:21:14
	And so.	00:21:21
	That's fine.	00:21:24
	I again.	00:21:29
	Umm, so how how, how we have these things done. We haven't umm. And so essentially the.	00:21:54
	Will be that inferior growth?	00:22:24
	And then all of these garages and then they.	00:22:32
	Comments in place for UMM.	00:22:38
	That.	00:22:44
	Providing for the customer.	00:22:50
	These numbers as far as coming up in fact, that are not included on the department.	00:22:57
	OK.	00:23:10
	Not including the office.	00:23:16
	I don't know how to feel. I need to pull it up.	00:23:19
	And 1:00 on the other side.	00:23:25
	Year growth, particularly when this trend Sports Complex.	00:23:48
	And then if you were to add other uses along that and the solution is.	00:23:56
	For Lakeside goes up to about.	00:24:16
	Yeah. And we, we thought we talked about.	00:24:23
	One of my parking regulations about the street parking list.	00:24:28
	Parking and so.	00:24:33
	On.	00:24:40
	I don't have access to.	00:25:35
	Thank you. Umm.	00:25:41
	So.	00:25:47
	There we go, that will eventually connect.	00:25:53
	And never connect. This will never ever happen.	00:25:58
	Here, right here, right here. So I want to know what the system?	00:26:08
	And a lot of these things.	00:26:32
	Pretty much.	00:26:35
	Did you guys have any other questions?	00:26:42
	I think there's something there.	00:26:56
	The employees of the.	00:27:01
	And we're talking about essentially on the.	00:27:18
	Yeah, I think.	00:27:55
	Having that come out, so the people that are very clear like this is not.	00:28:03
	Cool. Umm is there any questions? Want to make a motion that we started using questions on this one or the other one?	00:28:11
	OK. OK. Yeah, all right. Were you in the were you in the meeting?	00:28:18
	Yeah.	00:28:33
	Yeah.	00:28:34
	I do not. I've been reading this looking at the church generation table.	00:28:38
	And I would like someone to explain it to me. And then also the last question, the last paragraph of.	00:28:46
	Mr. Insurance report.	00:28:54
	Agenda. Umm.	00:28:58
	Please umm the concern with the restructuring of these Vineyard Rd. with how to keep the surrounding faces from using that parking	00:29:01
	space as well. Our recommendation is South side of the road be submitted for employees $45 and the Northside is restricted to 2-3	00:29:08
	hours parking for guests. This will become an enforcement issue and once residents know that parking is not avoid then they will	00:29:15
	be using an office 3 parking.	00:29:22
	That was a concern that I had because we are having problems with enforcement in Utah State.	00:29:30
	People in parking willing really blurting on Market Street and Main St.	00:29:35
	I know that's not getting enforced and that's on five, but I just don't understand how this works the first generation and it's	00:29:41
	just zero daily trip.	00:29:47
	Wait a minute, how could not be? And also at that brother's opening a new clubhouse.	00:29:56
	I think would be beneficial if they put flashing.	00:30:05
	And uh, Main Street to protect those residents and here might be using back and forth.	00:30:12
	And I'm also concerned with the parking machine.	00:30:19
	Angles, people backing out and someone in that.	00:30:24
	I.	00:30:45
	And.	00:30:50
	At least in there I'm planning for this section we have an approved.	00:31:05
	Down section, yet none of those are supported. They have the backup like.	00:31:13
	And also need to address that you mentioned you're working on a parking study right now and they have a building and they can't do	00:31:20
	them.	00:31:25
	I'm still over shutting a parking station.	00:31:32
	And then traffic study.	00:31:44
	Yeah, the.	00:31:53
	Yeah, I don't think this is going to be something that we can figure out.	00:33:19
	So.	00:33:32
	Yeah. I just wanted to kind of bring some other business, uh.	00:34:11
	Something like that. It's very parking.	00:34:16
	We will fill up the parking test and everything.	00:34:19
	Else so how?	00:34:30
	Umm, you know, that was helpful in that there were, you know, wording about enforcement and how.	00:34:38
	Umm.	00:35:08
	In place before the.	00:35:46
	And.	00:35:56
	So is that?	00:36:06
	Umm, and then.	00:36:13
	I'm just looking over the site for dinner.	00:36:20
	OK, I, I, I was doing that, Umm, and especially what, what the studies saying is that it's kind of difficult to Snapple down	00:36:25
	because you're going to have a business owner resulting in that you're going to have.	00:36:31
	Uh, you know, one to two employees, up to two employees. And so they said, you know, at the end of business there did have to	00:36:39
	employ.	00:36:42
	Ers you know does not have to be done and delaying what data is they.	00:36:48
	Did a confirmation based on the personal state and then.	00:36:57
	And they said also would require 104 and we are providing 185. They're saying what's going to be.	00:37:02
	Breakdown by any other ground floor footage of the retail.	00:37:17
	Umm.	00:37:32
	Happen.	00:37:39
	Then I understand what the.	00:37:44
	It wasn't. It doesn't have to do with. I can look to see my.	00:37:56
	Page or Yeah.	00:38:06
	Generic disease in the.	00:38:12
	800.	00:38:16
	Yeah.	00:38:23
	'S original.	00:38:26
	Yeah, it's that old.	00:38:35
	I'll, I'll be honest, but I think what it's doing.	00:38:41
	So when you have retail, you don't generate.	00:38:49
	Umm.	00:38:55
	From that location. So I think that's what I understand. It's going to lead some location. You're not generating people going	00:38:57
	through it.	00:39:03
	I I'm not sometimes an expert, I'd emphasize more into it, but I see.	00:39:11
	I do have.	00:39:16
	From from the.	00:39:19
	So they're really not looking at the device here, just and what they predicted. We have no snapshot on the.	00:39:27
	Engineering.	00:39:55
	I know that we talked about this when we went over the 2003 months as far as traffic and how it's gonna impact.	00:40:00
	And I don't remember exactly what the conclusion came to, but it was more of a that this isn't when I'm having it be live working.	00:40:11
	Through that when it was agreement a long time ago. So I think as far as.	00:40:26
	The script generation OK since anything that we can do it wouldn't change it and what it used to be when we did this operating	00:40:37
	back.	00:40:41
	With we had this in mind when the diabetic movement.	00:40:47
	I don't think.	00:40:58
	Yeah, we're gonna see a.	00:41:23
	Do that.	00:41:27
	Umm, OK.	00:41:39
	Uh, any other questions?	00:41:43
	I I modify that for you, I see right on the ground.	00:41:45
	Report as well as.	00:41:51
	Trees should be selected using.	00:41:58
	Trees.	00:42:04
	And with the second one with.	00:42:23
	That.	00:42:33
	Bye bye.	00:42:35
	I'm sure they're going to want to put it on a later stage, I would imagine. Is that what you were? Is that something?	00:42:39
	Yeah, yeah.	00:43:12
	Yeah.	00:43:16
	This one that we're approving or for the?	00:43:23
	Sure.	00:43:29
	Yeah, yeah. No. But I think what the developer is saying is he wants to gate no gates until the whole thing's done, like in the	00:43:33
	adjustment drug area.	00:43:37
	Yeah, for the last days, right.	00:43:43
	Yeah.	00:43:47
	So like the balance? Yeah, All right.	00:43:49
	I mean, maybe it does make sense for this to put the data in, Weld it and then unweld it before issuing.	00:43:54
	When we can be ready to.	00:44:05
	Do it? I mean, I don't know anybody else.	00:44:08
	Yeah, yeah.	00:44:34
	All right.	00:44:39
	And questions and.	00:44:41
	For the percolation on that lab condition approval.	00:44:44
	Uh-huh.	00:45:26
	So, uh, so I'll just, uh, recommend approval of the post that plan with our.	00:45:33
	One second, all right. All in favor. All right, all right. Moving on to 5.3.	00:45:45
	Can you do anything on this last time And we have two takeaways.	00:46:05
	This last weekend that was my kind of discussed those and and so I'll just give a brief update.	00:46:16
	20.	00:46:27
	You know, umm, it shows quite a few connections. Sidewalks.	00:46:29
	Uh, and then they're Advil they essentially, uh, incenting on Cortana lanes. There's no, I believe it's 4% funds and I should. And	00:46:34
	so I just talked to him and kind of the discussion. We have the 7-8 like there where you're, that they have, you know, really big	00:46:41
	concerns about children from one on the street there.	00:46:49
	Along Center Street or anything gate around Center St.	00:46:59
	Uh, for the, you know, in the past as as far as.	00:47:04
	Doing that, but it would be one of those.	00:47:11
	Construction.	00:47:15
	Five years.	00:47:21
	Safety.	00:47:25
	Uh, the other area that we talked about in planning mission, we feel was discussion area with sidewalks just kind of ended and in	00:47:28
	my work available putting in sidewalks right here.	00:47:34
	Into the the internal dialogue safely.	00:47:43
	Umm, were there any other concerns that you guys had in terms of the.	00:47:48
	All right, Yeah. So and it is the most important thing as well. And concrete.	00:48:01
	About for example, umm up in this area in the previous site plan. This is all.	00:48:12
	Landscape and then take that landscape now and.	00:48:22
	The people, girls out there, so they don't want them right now kind of building. So throughout the the development environment	00:48:27
	area as well. Right here it is for the normal congregation provided on that stage. I don't know if there's any other statement.	00:48:34
	We could not go in 2012.	00:49:03
	That's when we had our first site plan approval on the 288 unit and that we've done umm via a development.	00:49:06
	Building where footage is designed.	00:49:16
	A dimension not moved and and so Don felt that if we had a 30 foot wide and then umm space of Earth to face the first it would	00:49:20
	allow and do your access for automobile old and it's number and number and the agreement with.	00:49:30
	The issue on the part of the concrete concrete pads moving forward.	00:49:41
	Umm, the units all have virtual umm, but it was our whole with our challenge. They did not have a cash drill.	00:49:46
	On those front portions and then covered.	00:49:56
	So we get smoked, Yeah.	00:50:00
	So the idea wasn't going to create the hard state throughout the development.	00:50:02
	Umm, with those are the two major changes around the landscape plan. I've been sitting here through 13 years. I know what grows	00:50:08
	and I know what that is. And so on our on our landscape plan, we did plan here.	00:50:17
	And most of it I.	00:50:28
	Put the number.	00:50:33
	In a couple of weeks, but I have 970.	00:50:35
	And it doesn't matter what time of the day you come over or what time of year you won't have time to meet.	00:50:41
	Continue to go that I actually enjoy and so, umm, I think we've done a really good job over there as far as the landscaping that	00:50:49
	we've done a really good job of uh.	00:50:55
	Wanting to provide this little with the number of times we have over there.	00:51:02
	We were not expecting that. We were expecting that more students who don't have 10 students in 47.	00:51:06
	Families or.	00:51:14
	Looking at our parking, we were worried that we have I think we can only have three or development agreement and our CCNR and	00:51:17
	allow free students.	00:51:24
	Which is our age.	00:51:34
	And each 6 bedrooms and four bathrooms and about four people living in that.	00:51:37
	So we are we control our H4 extremely right.	00:51:44
	So umm, those are the 2 digits. The two big changes are one time.	00:51:49
	What we planted, How many we planted?	00:51:54
	And I guess again with.	00:52:07
	Questions on the north side.	00:52:12
	They should come over about 7:30 in the morning.	00:52:15
	And the only way.	00:52:25
	And if we wanted to.	00:52:28
	To.	00:52:36
	And the independence for the trial?	00:52:43
	So we can put the same thing you want me to.	00:52:48
	And you can put a couple gates on portion. I'm not going out on the center street, but I have.	00:52:55
	I for the people that are currently living there.	00:53:13
	I mean like inside the development itself, do they just watch them on the road inside there or? Well, I agree before it's like	00:53:23
	walk on the north side right there, but that'll be done on Monday, so.	00:53:29
	Umm, the date will go out either both instances.	00:53:37
	To develop.	00:53:42
	Yeah, it's a big concern from one of those, uh, commissioners that's not here today was.	00:53:44
	Just that is umm, how, how we went to the around them or something like that. That would be kids like going to school to school.	00:53:56
	They lived in one of these middle buildings, umm, I think, but umm, fantastic.	00:54:07
	And.	00:54:19
	That.	00:54:22
	And then from the side of that over to the West side, how?	00:54:26
	There's a crosswalk there, right?	00:54:37
	On South.	00:54:45
	And most of the.	00:54:52
	Driveway.	00:55:02
	You know, it's really the kind of building, you know, in the place you could maybe do like an angled one because you.	00:55:04
	Umm.	00:55:12
	Umm, is there any other sidewalk along these shots? 5 weeks ago.	00:55:36
	That's right here, yeah.	00:55:46
	OK.	00:56:00
	Uh, any other questions?	00:56:02
	Gate, uh.	00:56:12
	But I haven't considered the most public place.	00:56:16
	So I went, no, I appreciate.	00:56:20
	And.	00:56:23
	And the board, umm, part of enough to say we'll watch your kids, but on the other side I have to and then can't watch them. I get	00:56:26
	it and I can see the attractiveness.	00:56:32
	Umm, a neighborhood? I don't know.	00:56:39
	So.	00:56:49
	Even though my personal opinion I would like to see, I can also understand why there's no.	00:56:49
	Aggressively pushing that.	00:56:59
	And considering the elections business where it's not, chances are lost so.	00:57:02
	Any questions? I have a motion.	00:57:10
	Something else?	00:57:14
	Uh, I'm not trying to improve it.	00:57:19
	Have stated by the staff recommendation.	00:57:22
	Bear with me a second.	00:57:26
	All in favor. All right, Thank you. Thank you for coming in and and clarify a lot for us. Yeah, thank you. Appreciate it.	00:57:28
	All right, moving to 5.4, we'll be start planning for digital use from this application.	00:57:38
	And.	00:57:44
	Umm.	00:57:48
	OK, so umm, let me just find here for when you. So this is a lot.	00:57:51
	Of like the very point, I'm not sure any problems development is going to be language too many of them who have.	00:58:00
	But that.	00:58:11
	Umm, as far as when it was like on the line, you have a.	00:58:15
	As you explain where it is.	00:58:20
	Stand that coffee shop.	00:58:27
	Yeah, it's, it's just more of money if you're familiar with what you want.	00:58:30
	I do not have that.	00:58:39
	Right here you have very clean happy Dragon motherboard. And then it would be more awful, right?	00:58:45
	All right, so here's the first.	00:59:06
	Umm, and you can see it'll have an access through off of the, umm, off of the West here. This is becoming in from that road. If	00:59:09
	you're coming on side street or if you're straight in that road, Umm, eventually we have to drive through that has more on that	00:59:18
	road that as well as entrance and working on, uh, axis point. How many were really right here, which will be.	00:59:28
	So.	00:59:39
	Efficient, Umm, those 22 applications list, umm, ideas like coming into this, uh, more than entrance. We're going through the	00:59:40
	drive through. They rock around this way and exit. You know, they're, they're talking to even all that we're off to the the way.	00:59:49
	And then they can either go back to Geneva.	01:00:00
	Umm.	01:00:09
	I went somewhere on that presentation.	01:00:11
	All right, so, umm, a few things to note here we, uh, the Wendy's himself because we're landing and they're not actually going to	01:00:15
	stay on the red lines to the east, which goes up between the road and that that does have some complications for us because that	01:00:21
	area and so.	01:00:27
	That when I get the entire.	01:00:38
	Issue.	01:00:42
	Umm, just to make sure that we do the, the documentation when you're providing that crosswalk across the directory that we've been	01:00:44
	connected to the sidewalk, the trail umm, along.	01:00:50
	Umm, Benzolyn, the other conditional approval that we do have is, is is location for device department to show that we can review.	01:00:58
	We just want to make sure.	01:01:03
	As far as letting you know, they are providing that script. Umm #12 is provided as a number of landscaping that I don't know if	01:01:13
	it's being proposed.	01:01:18
	That.	01:01:26
	Yeah.	01:01:29
	Landscape direct, uh, along the road, which would actually be, you know.	01:01:30
	Umm, and that's kind of our our, you know.	01:01:38
	Condition of approval here that they any correction, you know, if you have any questions, I'm just going to not answer. Mm-hmm.	01:01:45
	Uh, just looking at the.	01:02:08
	And that's the very first one, yeah.	01:02:10
	Uh.	01:02:16
	West side and then pulling in and they pull in on the website. Umm, but it's I I don't know if you could find it up or not, but it	01:02:36
	it may access to that drive in your impossible. They don't have access to that drive through.	01:02:43
	Umm, I did, you know efficiently.	01:02:51
	Uh, Andrew Hornets community? Umm.	01:03:00
	Yeah. So there would be signage for Do not enter.	01:03:03
	One later to make e-mail there is perfect.	01:03:10
	OK, cool. That's great.	01:03:16
	And I did also.	01:03:23
	Skate lane for people first so since we do have the the pull forward solve there.	01:03:27
	I'm trying to drive through window for.	01:03:36
	So I look forward to stay longer. I've had things for the priority.	01:03:40
	So.	01:03:49
	And I do believe on the deceleration over that door is that always employee home?	01:04:06
	As soon as possible. Intended for like a few DoorDash.	01:04:16
	Cool.	01:04:21
	Other questions, is there anything else you want to present cash I just want to ask.	01:04:49
	Communication from the timeline on that.	01:04:59
	I have plans, but I don't have a date from when you were. All I guess up here is that, you know they wait in years to work on that	01:05:05
	building pipeline is moving on that landscaping and then you know you have to try to do a whole new.	01:05:13
	Yeah, with that condition that they did that landscaping installed prior.	01:05:31
	I don't think so.	01:05:42
	Umm yeah, for whatever reason, we're going to go like that. You would actually OK and it also if you guys do you guys do for	01:05:45
	whatever reason, we could come back with us on a pipeline amendment and.	01:05:53
	Stuff cool. Yeah, yeah. So that and the the bicycle back, right. So I just want to see, you know, she's to show that it's not sure	01:06:04
	that it's within our standard.	01:06:11
	OK, is there any other questions I have in options?	01:06:20
	I'd like to recommend approval of the Site Plan and Conditional Use permit application as presented.	01:06:24
	And it would be just with the condition.	01:06:30
	That's fine. Second.	01:06:33
	Last month.	01:06:37
	All right. Thank you so much.	01:06:40
	OK, it's not going to work. Sessions, any staff permission report.	01:06:45
	I'll be able to put down the national. Tuesday was like.	01:06:54
	And then?	01:07:24
	She was doing that 90% of our attendance.	01:07:32
	So, uh, but what we saw, we we destroyed.	01:07:52
	So like.	01:08:18
	Yeah. So, umm, I have a chance to be part of the national APA, umm, conference. So every year the national, the, you know,	01:08:22
	American Planning Association has conference that held throughout the state. You know, they change the state every year. So this	01:08:30
	year it was in Minneapolis and I had the chat to be part of it.	01:08:37
	To experience.	01:08:46
	And I'm experiencing what other students are doing and also, uh, get to interact with, uh, planostrom the entire country and learn	01:08:48
	from things that they've been doing. And one of the things, well, two of the things that stuck out to me mostly was the problems	01:08:55
	we're facing is not just we're facing, everyone is facing something close to it. So everyone, like all the planets are willing to	01:09:02
	work together to help us solve our problem. One of those.	01:09:09
	Would be social rentals.	01:09:17
	So the big thing so I'm cities, a lot of cities still don't allow short term residents. They have the minimums like we do have,	01:09:19
	which is 30 days or more. Airbnb was there as one of the executives and also people that presented and they.	01:09:28
	Have tried working with the city in the past but what happens is their competitors end up getting business that you know would	01:09:38
	have been their business because they've been working with the city to stop people from listing the property. So they also will	01:09:45
	stop and rather develop a system to help city free of charge.	01:09:52
	Uh, manage, umm, listen, if you allow for short term rentals, so something that we need to consider in the future because would	01:10:00
	have a better outcome if we, if we allow for certain rental by managing that rather than having, you know, an ordinance that	01:10:09
	solely restricts, you know, certain rental. But we still have it all going because even if DRDO, RBNB and all.	01:10:19
	You know, listen, fight.	01:10:29
	You know, umm, work with us to stop that. The problem is, you know, that is the start of a real wicked problem because you can	01:10:32
	have people still listed on Facebook, you know, just their word of mouth, it will still be unknown. So we rather have to work	01:10:38
	with.	01:10:43
	These living sites to be able to help solve the problem together by allowing it and managing it as appropriate because friends are	01:10:51
	changing people for says those more than hotels when they're traveling with family. So it's just one of the things that I learned	01:10:58
	that I thought was a very useful one.	01:11:05
	Among many things, I I'd borrow you if I have to go through the number of days that I saw through different sessions.	01:11:12
	To you know, I've been sharing all these things with my fellow planners and so we're we're thinking of ways to make work more	01:11:20
	efficient.	01:11:24
	Umm, to help build a city?	01:11:30
	Five days or four days? The idea is maybe the junior will prove short term everything.	01:11:35
	8 And I started 12 cascades and monitored that way. You have to have a permit and then you can use author that that would be a	01:11:44
	better route to go and every so if we decide to go that route, these companies are willing to work with us.	01:11:52
	To make good suggestions that work, there were there were other cities that presented cases like that where it was more like	01:12:01
	they're allowed to set in.	01:12:07
	You know, Airbnb happening in that, you know, in the whole city of different areas and neighborhoods that point we have full	01:12:13
	access to these platforms because you cannot just by web of mouse go and stop someone from, you know, operating like that. You	01:12:19
	need a lot of proof. I need to to talk to this at that point, if we allow it and Airbnb gives us access to your platform at A at A	01:12:25
	at a.	01:12:32
	Court enforcement level, we can know what's going on, what has been listed, who is presently, you know, umm.	01:12:41
	Leave another house for, you know, these services and then we can go after them if you're not doing things right. Because if we	01:12:49
	need only 5 minutes maybe and we have 8 listed in there, we need to follow up on them because now we have, you know, the platform	01:12:55
	that shows us exactly what's going on in the game right now. We don't have access because if they give us access to stuff like	01:13:01
	that.	01:13:07
	Then, you know, just going down on the business because other people would have been able to be there so.	01:13:14
	Is this kind of a win win thing if we decide to allow structure of rental and many cities have done different things that have	01:13:19
	worked for them including umm dedicated set in areas for that and having, you know, areas also spread out through the city having	01:13:26
	courses and all that neighborhoods.	01:13:32
	Uh, restrictions that could could happen if we can allow the.	01:13:41
	Airbnb.	01:13:46
	You know, it was a big thing because they they tried watching with the city. It wasn't as well. They tried working with some	01:13:50
	cities because it was a big problem. But then they realized like.	01:13:57
	If they held the city stop these listings, please still go on Facebook or other competitive websites anyway so.	01:14:06
	Why would we help you stop our business? Stuff like that.	01:14:17
	I I will add that this isn't going to be drafted.	01:14:22
	Language.	01:14:29
	Hopefully in the next few months we'll see that.	01:14:32
	Like.	01:14:37
	On on a time like.	01:14:42
	Yeah, it's it's almost impossible that it's been so funny for me that companies like PWL and Airbnb. No. And they know that it's	01:14:46
	easier to do it. And now they're like, hey, we'll help you manage it. Thank you.	01:14:55
	I do have a few other things.	01:15:07
	I just want to remind everybody.	01:15:14
	Call my back to the trash can.	01:15:24
	I'm not at 10:00 AM and maybe it's at least part all the information you found out.	01:15:41
	And I will know on that one. We're crossing our viewers, the trails going underneath.	01:15:48
	I have some rotates something down but it will be successfully hidden we're we're working on it.	01:15:57
	So depending on how it happens, so.	01:16:08
	Yeah. I feel like something a little bit something. Yeah, that's.	01:16:27
	Coming up last year around.	01:16:32
	So what's the plan here?	01:16:37
	On the 29th, I don't believe the float if you like to go and.	01:16:41
	And they do not motorized vehicle and I'll find it out. We are doing more than welcome to umm. In fact, I just wanted to bring the	01:16:48
	gap money we have in your day-to-day end of the month. Uh, we have the plan, master plan and hopefully. And then the last thing I	01:16:56
	have is I, I believe that the next transmission is going to be canceled.	01:17:04
	So we will initially be supposed to talk earlier, but.	01:17:14
	So.	01:17:20
	Hello.	01:17:44