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Consent Items  1.Approval of the.01.24 Planning Commission Meeting Draft Minutes    2.Approval of the.03.24 Planning Commission Meeting Draft Minutes
VICE-CHAIR BRYCE BRADY MOTIONED TO MOVE THE MINUTE APPROVAL TO THE NEXT MEETING AT06PM. COMMISSIONER CADEN RHOTTON SECONDED.   Business Items   There were no business items.  
Work Session  1. Utah City Blocks, and Site Plan Work Session
Planner Cache Hancey introduced the applicant and the project. He discussed the progress of the staff reviews.
Bronson Tatton and BJ Laterveer with Flagborough presented a map of the blocks and provided updates on the progress. Mr. Tatton began with block for the grocery store and he briefed the details. He provided the site plan as well as the layout of the grocery store and the pharmacy. Mr. Tatton included the elevations.
Planner Hancey asked about the visibility of the entrance.   Mr. Laterveer commented on the paseo and the prominence as well as the design and visibility.
Vice-Chair Brady asked about how many levels the future parking lot will be.     Mr. Tatton responded in saying that they do not know yet and that it is dependent on future progress. He briefed the other buildings.
Planner Hancey prompted comments.
Commissioner Rhoton asked for clarification on future development.   Mr. Laterveer noted that it will be continuous construction for a connected building.
Commissioner Ostler asked for clarification on retail corner.   Mr. Laterveer responded in listing ideas for this area including restaurants or retail or something that can be adapted.
Mr. Tatton discussed activating use and outdoor seating.    Commissioner Ostler asked about access for that corner.   Mr. Tatton responded in saying that they have planned it to be independent from the grocery store.
Resident Daria Evans asked about the pharmacy drive thru and noted that she feels it would be very beneficial for older communities.   Planner Hancey comments why this comment is important as the planning department is working on a zoning text amendment to make the drive thru compliant. He outlined this process.
Vice-Chair Brady expressed confusion on why this was not in the plans.   Planner Hancey discussed the landscaping.   Vice-Chair Brady commented on the orientation of the building and drive thru for simplicity.
Jordan Christensen asked about bike parking.   Mr. Tatton noted the plan for bike parking and discussed a bike-share program they are working on called Green Bike.      Vice-Chair Brady commented on the plans.
Mr. Tatton added parking updates they have planned.   Vice-Chair Brady asked about the code’s timeline for landscaping with temporary parking lots.   Planner Hancey commented on the timeline of the temporary parking and landscaping.
Mr. Tatton transitioned to introduce the blockc. He introduced the plans and details.   Mr. Laterveer commented on the amenities included.
Mr. Tatton described the landscaping site plan and discussed connectivity of the paseo.    Mr. Laterveer described the elevations. He noted the amenities throughout these plans.
Vice-Chair Brady asked if there will commercial space.   Mr. Tatton responded in saying that it is intended to be public   Vice-Chair Brady asked if people could rent it out.
Mr. Laterveer noted that it has not been set up that way, but more of a working space for residents.   Mr. Tatton provided clarification on the layout and discussed the hierarchy.
Planner Hancey presented the renderings.
Vice-Chair Brady asked questions about the units.   Mr. Laterveer noted that they are two separate units. Bronson discussed these units in the renderings.   Mr. Tatton discussed the garage doors for the maker’s space.
Planner Hancey pointed out that the ground floor units have access to the street as well as an interior hallway system.   Mr. Tatton noted that the different buildings try to appeal to different desires.   Mr. Laterveer noted they all the buildings will always have exterior access.
Mr. Tatton discussed parking for blockc.
Commissioner Rhoton asked about how the parking will be enforced.   Mr. Tatton responded that they are making sure they are enforcing it.
Vice-Chair Brady asked if they have the parking plan yet.   Mr. Tatton responded in saying that they are doing studies and that these exhibits are the groundwork for the parking studies.
Vice-Chair Brady expressed concern for getting the parking plan set before the certificate of occupancy.   Mr. Tatton noted that they have0 stalls.   Vice-Chair Brady asked about the parking study.   Planner Hancey discussed the parking study.
Vice-Chair Brady clarified his question about parking: How the people parking their currently will be handled?   Planner Hancey discussed the enforcement and noted the process of getting the parking permits.
Mr. Tatton transitioned to blocksb andc. He discussed the details forb.   Mr. Laterveer provided context on the purpose of the buildings and focus for the demographic. He discussed some of the intentional spaces targeted for this group.
Mr. Tatton discussed the amenities and their target for the demographic. He noted these amenities in the plans.   Mr. Laterveer added the reason behind the layout.
Vice-Chair Brady asked for clarification in the drawing   Mr. Laterveer noted that that space is the cross section of the bridge.
Commissioner Ostler asked about the build quality and how aesthetic.   Mr. Laterveer discussed that their build is up to the market rate; it is kept affordable but keep up with quality.
Vice-Chair Brady asked how many square feet these units are.    Mr. Laterveer discussed the layout of the units.
Mr. Tatton provided the unit sizes. There are unit types and there are different layouts.    Planner Hancey showed the renderings.
Mr. Laterveer discussed design intentions and noted the orientation of each wall.   Mr. Tatton noted that all sides are visible and that they are trying to find the best area to put things like trash and electrical.
Mr. Tatton discussed the landscaping and Planner Hancey showed the renderings for the landscape.
Vice-Chair Brady asked about the gating.   Mr. Tatton discussed the paseo and the fence.
Vice-Chair Brady asked about the market or commercial area.   Mr. Tatton clarified that they allocated space for a commercial inclusion. Mr. Laterveer discussed the intention behind this area.
Resident Daria Evans asked about the noise being close to the road.   Mr. Laterveer discussed that it is not a big concern because of how infrastructure can mitigate those things and highlighted some infrastructure in future progress to help with this.
Ms. Evans commented on the aesthetic of some apartments. Mr. Tatton and Mr. Laterveer discussed the balcony rails and the intention with the light color.    Vice-Chair Brady commented on his appreciation of the project.
Planner Hancey asked about parking for the commercial space.   Bronson responded in saying that they imagine a timed parking to not stall circulation.
Commissioner Rhotton noted the need for bike storage for spaces like this.   Planner Hancey noted the bike storage areas nearby.
Mr. Laterveer discussed all of the factors present.   Mr. Tatton noted the number of bike racks.
Planner Hancey provided an update on the process for these moving forward.  2.
Vineyard Fire Station ​#35
Planner Hancey presented the fire station. He showed the plans and discussed the materials for the façade.   Public Works Director Naseem Ghandour noted that they do plan to do the façade red.
Commissioner Ostler asked about the size of the garage.   Planner Hancey provided details on the garage use.
Commissioner Ostler asked about the acreage of the land.   Planner Hancey responded in saying that it waslots consolidated down toequating29 acers for the entire lot.
Commissioner Ostler asked about the lot number and address.   Planner Hancey provided the number being lot45 and he noted the orientation of the fire house. Planner Hancey provided the address:6 W S.   Planner Hancey discussed the landscaping and sidewalk access. He noted that concerns for parking will be discussed.
Vice-Chair Brady noted the need for revisions of signage for parking.   Planner Hancey addressed the safety plan on how to provide notice to the community. He discussed the level of awareness surrounding safety and community disruptions.
Commissioner Ostler asked about the safety beacons and their locations in the neighborhood.   Staff Engineer Patrick James noted that they would be on either side of the station and noted pavement markings.
Planner Hancey mentioned the inclusion of a monument sign.   Vice-Chair Brady asked about the curbing.   Engineer James noted it would be the same.   A discussion about the curbs ensued.     Planner Hancey presented the renderings and provided details.
Planner Hancey noted that the garage is considered an accessory structure and how that is compliant with the city code.
Vice-Chair Brady commented on the requirement for the setback.   Planner Hancey acknowledged the need for further review.
Commissioner Ostler asked about the estimated frequency of calls.   Planner Hancey noted the national standard beingminutes and seconds, but that Vineyard is atminutes and seconds. A fire station here would give a response time of underminutes.
Planner Anthony Fletcher noted that this will be presented inweeks at the next planning commission meeting and will need a conditional use permit.    
Staff, Commission, and Committee Reports
Planner Fletcher provided an update on the TAG grant and its corresponding project. The RPF was sent out and they have met with the consultants.
Planner Hancey noted the trail repavement that was completed. He noted the progress toward Tucker Row. Commissioner Ostler asked about connections.
Planner Hancey discussed plans for trails with Utah Trail Network.   Commissioner Rhoton asked if it would be on the South side.   Planner Hancey responded in providing the layout. He discussed the progress.
Public Works Director Ghandour mentioned that the public works streets team installed a new no turn on red sign which will enhance safety specifically for schools. He announced that there will be a test for a flasher near Vineyard Elementary to enhance safety.
Planner Hancey introduced a parking improvement.  
Adjournment   The meeting was adjourned at28pm.   MINUTES CERTIFIED COMPLETE ON: October,24 CERTIFIED (NOTICED) BY:   Madison Reed, Planning Technician
August 7th and it is 6:03 PM. We'll get right into things. I agree, and also it's gonna give us an implication and eligible 00:00:00
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How are dear Father in heaven? 00:00:18
We are grateful to be able to. 00:00:20
Gather together and to discuss. 00:00:24
The city affairs, we're grateful to be here in Vineyard. 00:00:28
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indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:01:06
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Alright, we'll move right into public comments. Do you have any public comments? Comments state your name and do you have any? 00:01:20
Sorry, you got anything today? No. 00:01:25
OK, David, is that anything all right? Hey, uh, we'll move right into the consent items. Did you guys have a chance to look over 00:01:31
the, uh, Planning Commission meeting minutes? 00:01:36
You, you weren't in either of those meetings, I don't think, Brandon, did you have a chance to look at those? 00:01:43
Uh, that yeah. Minutes. 00:01:50
No, no. Do you want to push those off to get those approved then? 00:01:53
Yeah, we'll do that. Uh, I'll make a motion to move the consent items to the next meeting. Is that alright? Alright. During the 00:02:01
second. 00:02:05
Second, all in favor, all right, moving into the work session, uh 6.3 Utah city block 413 and 18 in the site work site plan work 00:02:09
session. OK, We, uh, do have our applicants here. Umm, these, these are quite a few umm, different projects going on and these 00:02:16
have to be development. Umm, and we just have one kind of big slide show here that we're gonna run through umm and they're just 00:02:24
sticking through your comments. Uh, staff has done our kind of initial review on all these and. 00:02:31
Umm for the most part, they they are compliant with the code. There are a few comments that that we're still working through on on 00:02:39
some elevations and some functionality of the spaces, but overall that they are looking pretty good. So I'll let uh take it away 00:02:45
from here perfect How's it going? Hey thanks for having us here Bronson captain uh with flagboro BJ lavender also with flagborough 00:02:52
umm. 00:02:58
Yeah, we're excited to be going over all this stuff. There's quite a few things to to go through. There's four different site plan 00:03:04
applications in UMM. 00:03:08
And we'll just kind of go through them in that order, SO4D cash if you want to Scroll down. 00:03:14
Yeah, it was kind of the context map. So the, the areas in yellow, orange, those are those site plans have been approved and 00:03:22
they're, they're under construction in one form or another. Umm, 5 and 6 are the ones down by 4D. So you're seeing those being 00:03:31
framed right now. And then the ones up by across the street from 1310 to 13, those are blocks 14 and 8. 00:03:40
And 14 is starting putting in foundation. Mm-hmm. 00:03:50
And then eight, I don't know if it'd be 30 days for permanent building. Permanent. 00:03:54
Umm, so yeah, 4D let's jump into that. That is, uh, the bellows market, the grocery store site plan. So it's that overall block, 00:04:04
Block sport is uh, about 3 1/2 acres. This is just like 1/4 of that overall full block floor. So This is why we call it 4D. 00:04:12
There's ABCD. So this is just kind of 1/4 of that. 00:04:21
So, uh, we're anticipating the grocery store to be about 43,000 square feet over that, and then there's a little retail corner 00:04:30
that will show you if it's about 2600 square feet. 00:04:35
There is on two sides of the grocery store, there will be a residential route so that you don't see kind of the employing walls of 00:04:41
the grocery store, but that we're still working on those plans and we'll bring those in. We'll kind of point out where those are 00:04:45
at in the future. 00:04:50
Umm, and then go back up one more or back to that first slide. Oh, and then the amenities will also be associated with the the 00:04:57
residential building that goes later. 00:05:02
So the grocery store is the orange, uh, the large orange block. And then just to the left is kind of the, the loading area and 00:05:08
umm, like refrigeration and kind of just loading unloading area. And then up to the north, like the, the top right of the larger 00:05:16
orange piece that's a retail corner. And then the blue, pink and yellow around. That's the future residential route. And you can 00:05:23
kind of see. 00:05:30
In a 3D, the grocery store is one story and then the yellow residential wrap, we don't know if it will look exactly like that. 00:05:38
We're still working through that, but just conceptually, that's kind of how that looks. 00:05:44
Yeah, that's just kind of the same. That's an initial layout. Umm. 00:05:55
You know exactly like that, but that's you're seeing the aisles in there. So the main entrance is that red arrow just above your 00:06:01
hand there cash. Yep, that's the main entrance. There's a temporary surface parking lot out in the front where you know you can 00:06:09
park, walk in through those doors and then you would have kind of your produce and and stuff on the right and like your deli and. 00:06:17
Things over there on the right, and then as you kind of come around, you see the aisles. 00:06:26
Stacked in there and then the cash registers are just to the right as they have there. Yep. And then we are looking at a pharmacy 00:06:32
on the South end there. 00:06:36
So that's just kind of a general layout. This is the civil site plan. So that's the parking lot out front. 00:06:42
Kind of 1/2 spray area like the little dot. Uh, when eventually in a future phase, we'll, we'll bring a parking structure in and 00:06:49
wrap that parking structure in the surface parking lot. And this area in front of the grocery store will be one of the potatoes 00:06:56
that you've seen in our other type plans. And then there's also a Paseo on the north side of the grocery store that connects out 00:07:02
to Block 5. 00:07:09
And then these are, uh, just kind of a black and white elevation. 00:07:18
The 3D ones are a little bit more interesting when we get there. There you go. 00:07:25
So here you can see the front of the grocery store, the parking out front, the the main entrance into the grocery store, and then 00:07:30
the future residential back behind and on on the backside and on the north side kind of widened out. 00:07:37
So this is for planning for the main entrance in and. 00:07:48
In the overall frontage, what it looks like, the landscaping isn't like totally fully thought out in these renderings. This is 00:07:53
more of the architectural renderings than the landscape renderings, but we'll get into landscaping. Bronson, I do have a quick 00:07:59
question actually, because you mentioned how eventually looking at the site plan here, umm, you said the front, the east side will 00:08:05
become a paseo. Mm-hmm. And doing that, it'll kind of block off that front entrance in terms of the elevation, like it won't be as 00:08:11
prominent. 00:08:17
Entrance has there been any thought on doing something with the the South elevation to make, you know, in the future that's gonna 00:08:24
become the more, I guess, a visible side of the grocery store. Yeah, we we we can talk to this too. But yeah, actually you just go 00:08:32
ahead and just for clarification so like from as well. I'm director of architecture over. Oh, sorry. 00:08:41
Yeah, not many people tell me to be louder usually, so I apologize. Umm, so on, on this particular block, in that context of the 00:08:51
Paseo, like the building or the grocer and the future building to the north, umm, you'll see a typical Paseo here with the grocery 00:08:58
store being what it is, the prominence that it needs, the volume that it'll have. We've been studying this where this will be kind 00:09:05
of an atypical scenario where the future parking deck and building. 00:09:12
Go in this block 4C, which is where the temporary parking lot is now we'll stand further away from the front of the grocery store 00:09:20
uh, because we do wanna maintain that presence. I mean we're putting a lot into what this store looks like and we want from the 00:09:27
main entry off in your connector to maintain that level of visibility and as you're coming down Avery right here to have that 00:09:35
prominent it stands out you see the glow and and all of that and as well we wanna make sure we still. 00:09:42
Can flood the store with natural light. 00:09:50
How many levels is the future parking lot going to be? 00:09:55
Uh, do you know, you don't know what we don't know exactly. It's gonna depend on, you know, how, how we build out these N blocks. 00:10:02
So, you know, this is all future, but what we're thinking is the, the block on the top left. So for a is a residential building 00:10:10
with a parking structure embedded in it. So not really into routes and then goes up above the deck and then the next. 00:10:17
Yeah, that block there, it's the right. 4B is a proposed office building. 00:10:26
OK. 00:10:31
But those are, you know, those are years away and. 00:10:32
We don't really wanna focus on those right now because we don't know exactly what they will remain those or not. So yeah. 00:10:39
Mostly. OK, cool. Yeah. 00:10:47
I think that's it for the presentation on the grocery store. If you guys did want to have discussion on that before we move on to 00:10:51
the other block, did you guys have any questions or comments? 00:10:56
Umm, none other than the so the grocery store is first in the residential a rapid is a future phase. Do you have we'll find that 00:11:03
in a separate site plan, but it will, you know, we can talk all through that one later. But and you clarify by future phase, we're 00:11:10
purely saying we're trying to push the grocery store in advance to just putting foundations and things going right away. It's 00:11:17
going to be 1 continuous build. It's not a build to grocery wait a year. It's it's. 00:11:24
Be continuous construction. OK, That was mostly my question. Yeah. Like that the residential graph around like right adjacent to 00:11:31
the grocery store will be very quickly like, you know, as soon as we can pull those elevations together and get all of our civil 00:11:38
engineering around that completed, we'll bring it in. So I'm hoping like like in a month or two. But those buildings to the north, 00:11:45
we're talking like years away, not like a couple weeks a month. 00:11:52
Great. And you have any questions? 00:12:01
Yeah. You mentioned a retail corner maybe connected to the grocery store. What can you further tell us about that? 00:12:02
So it is a connected 2026 twenty 700 square foot tenant, umm, and it's set up for a true tenant, uh, situation. So we're thinking 00:12:13
it could be a great restaurant spot or, but we're setting it up. But it could be, umm, we could put basically anything and it 00:12:21
could even be subdivided if we needed it to be. But we're trying to set it up, uh, for flexibility to be a cold, dark shell that 00:12:28
we can adapt it to whatever. 00:12:35
Appropriate there we're also leaving the master plan is to keep that larger uh outdoor space there so there's uh there's other 00:12:43
restaurants retail in there some food carts things and so we're trying to have that as always be an active corner in a in a minute 00:12:50
to that overall block yeah like where the sales are kind of converging in the future conditions. We want that to be very active 00:12:57
and part of helping that be activated was having. 00:13:04
This corner retail on my grocery store there is a component of the grocery store as well where there's. 00:13:12
There's outdoor seating, so. 00:13:19
I don't know how to exactly describe but you can see the tables and chairs out outside of the grocery store. The grocery store has 00:13:23
another and like a an entrance there that. 00:13:29
Is it like the Caffeinated? Yeah, there's it's set up in a way to that. They could have a cafe there or and they're working 00:13:36
through the programming of the store right now to see what that serves. But they're on board with that. They like that 00:13:42
opportunity, the outdoor seating, some of the prepared goods to be able to utilize. The intention is to really activate that whole 00:13:48
corner. And for that corner retail spot, would there be an interior? 00:13:55
Entrance and an exterior entrance to that unit. 00:14:02
To the grocery store, yeah, right now I don't think we planned for that. It's, it's kind of a stand alone retail where it would be 00:14:07
a totally independent tenant in the grocery store. But the cafe, you know, that's kind of this indoor outdoor relationship. 00:14:15
Any other questions? 00:14:28
Any of you guys have any questions? Sorry you got it from the mic. Sorry, you should know by now. 00:14:30
Looking at this I see I was talking with Tash about this the pharmacy. 00:14:41
And it looks like you're going to have to drive through. Yep. And then we'll have to do something. Yeah, I can. I can kind of go 00:14:50
into the details on that if you want, just for the public to understand. I think that would be very beneficial. 00:14:58
For my community that I live in, we have a lot of residents that can't get out of their car and would be grateful for advising 00:15:05
pharmacy and I just have to do some type of work with that. But I think that is, yeah, they're, they're even keeping that up 00:15:11
currently in in our review of of the downtown code, it does not permit for Dr. Throughs to be located on the side of the building, 00:15:17
only in the rear of the buildings. 00:15:23
Umm and so we're working with with brothel and the senior on on a possible zoning tax amendment that would allow for. 00:15:30
Umm, a pharmaceutical Dr. Throughs and we have, uh, some language in there like queueing distance because you got to treat a 00:15:37
queueing distance for pharmacy different than you would for like a Chick-fil-A or something like that. Umm, so, uh, and to go kind 00:15:43
of more into the details on, on where we're at on the staff level on this, umm, they did just submit a final plat for this block 00:15:48
that does break it up into those different lots because, umm, prior to doing that for the site plan, we expect them to, to finish 00:15:54
the whole block. 00:15:59
Umm, and this way they can just focus on the grocery store and that parking lot, do the landscaping for that, and then go through, 00:16:06
you know, later for those other phases. 00:16:10
Through in and it can come back through the Planning Commission for approval. Umm, and I just won't hold up the process otherwise, 00:16:44
you know, it's only techmomics can take a month or longer to, to figure out getting the Planning Commission and City Council and 00:16:51
we, we don't wanna hold this up longer than than we need to. OK. So yeah, I was curious why it wasn't included in the, uh. 00:16:58
I guess in the highlighted drawing and, and one other thing just to, to kind of prepare you guys, uh, the Planning Commission on, 00:17:05
umm, they, they have submitted a landscape plan for this. Umm, but it, it did last a lot of the details that we usually are 00:17:11
looking at in, in landscape plans. We wanna see, you know, species and the counter size. We wanna see, umm, just all that kind of 00:17:17
information to make sure that it, that it meets our standards. Umm, and just due to how they're doing this middle here, we're 00:17:23
letting them do a deferred. 00:17:29
It's planned where we will still give it a review and, and approval, umm, but in two weeks they will come with a planting list of 00:17:35
saying here's, you know, here's our palette of, of what we're going to plant. It'll still, you know, we have the locations of the 00:17:40
trees and the location of all the, the green space and open space, but it might not be as detailed as what we're used to seeing. 00:17:44
OK. 00:17:49
And, and that's the same for all these blocks that we're gonna be reviewing. Umm, the, the landscape plans aren't up to, you know, 00:17:55
that 100% final, umm, that, that we're used to seeing. Umm, and just, I guess a quick comment on the drive through, even though 00:18:02
this isn't really part of the discussion right now, uh, having that via turn in, uh, from the right lane, turn in and, uh, have 00:18:09
the building facing the right side. I think it's a great idea, assuming that they have some kind of, uh, like a bank. 00:18:17
Boxes or something to send everything first uh crossing that left and then crossing back over the road and dealing with the 00:18:25
queuing there. I think it could be an issue, but the way it looks drawn right now would be coming in on the right and I think that 00:18:31
that's a good idea. I think that that's how it ought to be done. Umm any other questions? Cool uh, I think the building looks 00:18:38
beautiful. Oh sure go ahead. 00:18:44
Alright, can you go? 00:18:57
Sure. 00:19:00
So we, we have regulations on, we have a code that they have to meet as far as bike parking. Did you guys wanna discuss that at 00:19:01
all? It's not yes. I'm looking to see if it's shown in any of these drawings that we sent through. 00:19:08
And it doesn't look like we represented it very well, but we, yeah, we are planning on bike parking. We're actually working with 00:19:16
Salt Lake Green Bike. 00:19:21
And you might know about this or I don't know if you do know about it, but we've been working with Salt Lake Green Bike on 00:19:27
bringing their basically their operations down here. And what that is, is it's a bike share program. You go in and you can like, 00:19:35
you know, put your credit card in and then you can take the bike. This we're identifying Bella's as one of the hubs. 00:19:42
OK, cool. The train station would be another one and then there would be others like throughout the community and, and, uh, we've 00:19:50
had discussions with staff as well about bringing those green bikes into like down to Senior Grove Park and Sunset Beach Park and 00:19:57
maybe the megaplex. And like that would be the bike share program. So associated with like that docking station, there would 00:20:04
probably be other bike racks with that. We just, we haven't located that hub. 00:20:11
On, on these plans that you're seeing right now, but when we come back in, in two weeks, we can have that cool. So we can talk 00:20:19
about that then too. Well, we have baskets on them. Yeah, we're, they don't, uh, green bike doesn't have any. Well, they, I think 00:20:25
they do have baskets, but they don't have like the cargo bikes and we've talked to them about getting cargo bikes so you can put 00:20:32
more groceries on your bike instead of just what fits in the basket. That'd be cool. Cool. 00:20:38
Any other questions? Yeah, I think the I think plans look awesome. 00:20:45
Umm. 00:20:50
Uh, we have talked about in the past and I don't doubt it, this will look like how it's presented. Uh, but you don't expect plans 00:20:52
to look just as good as they do and the rendering. Yeah. And the, the one thing too I'll point out on this one, which is a little 00:20:58
bit different than the other landscape plans that you'll see on the other blocks and, and in particular the parking lot. So all of 00:21:04
the parking lots we're doing right now. 00:21:09
Are temporary surface parking lots that will eventually go into a parking structure. You know, once we can get some velocity on on 00:21:16
our buildings and getting tenants in and our residents in. 00:21:21
Back into those surface parking lots and we'll build parking structures kind of like what we've talked about here. But we 00:21:29
anticipate this parking lot will probably be this way for many, many years. Whereas the other ones I think are putting like A7 00:21:35
year limit on those temporary, what we're calling temporary parking lot, surface parking lot. And so we're not putting as much 00:21:41
landscape into those ones as you're seeing on this line. And that that's intentional because we do think that's when we'll 00:21:47
probably be here longer. 00:21:53
Than that than that. And part of that is to to make sure it's just kinda what was commented is that everybody knows where Bella's 00:21:59
is. They know how to get in the. 00:22:04
What we're planning right now is all of the circulation, vehicular circulation and Tibela's will be the exact same on the ground 00:22:09
floors. Just there will be a parking garage up above this parking lot. Umm, so it's kind of like, you know, we, we anticipate this 00:22:17
will be here a while. We're putting a lot of landscaping inside this parking lot. So you're seeing more landscaping than this. 00:22:26
Than you will in the other plants that we're looking at tonight. Cool. 00:22:35
That's a requirement, isn't it? If they don't have the parking garage up within a certain amount of time, then there has to be X 00:22:40
amount of land. Yeah, yeah, the the code I, I don't remember the exact percentages, but after I believe it is seven years. 00:22:45
On these temporary locks, they have to increase the landscaping requirement, I wanna say by 20 or 30% beyond the code. Umm, so we 00:22:51
do have some pretty good keys there to to help get these temporary landscape or temporary parking lots to, you know, get 00:22:57
landscapes and develop. Cool. I think it's great you guys are doing that ahead of time. Awesome. 00:23:04
Cool. All right, OK, so then we're gonna move into 13 C, So if you remember, or actually I think there's another context on here. 00:23:11
Yeah. So 13 C, we're kinda moving north and we're coming across the street from building 8 and 14. So 13C13B and 18C are gonna be 00:23:21
the next three buildings that we're looking at. And so, yeah, go to that slide there cache. So this is kinda just a summary of. 00:23:30
What we're planning in 13 C Umm. 00:23:40
This particular building doesn't have any commercial square footage. Umm, it has about 342 residential units and umm, there's a 00:23:43
list of amenities there. DJ, you wanna go? I'll talk more about the building on this one. So 13 C is the first building we're 00:23:51
doing that has a heavy, heavy amenity package is intended to be. 00:23:59
This building and the next year we're talking about or, or what we're calling district wide amenities. And so the buildings, uh, 00:24:08
5-6 and what's in four. 00:24:13
Umm, they will all have the ability to utilize the amenities and certainty in the next two buildings we're talking about. So, umm, 00:24:18
these buildings are what we would consider a top of the market, uh, offering, uh, for anything in the valley. And so there are, 00:24:25
uh, beautiful lobbies, Co working club room spaces, private dining rooms that could be leased out, umm, or utilized when someone 00:24:33
doesn't have them late. We have, uh, elevated. 00:24:40
For patios, we, uh, we have a, uh, small club room and 13 C, but that's augmented by an 8000 square foot, uh, fitness center in 00:24:48
the next building. So it's just again offering. These are those top of market amenities that, uh, we plan to put throughout the 00:24:55
development. And so this is the first of the, the buildings to have this offering. 00:25:02
OK, So this is this is the civil site plan. You're seeing the the parking associated with this building highlighted in blue. 00:25:11
Later on we're gonna go, we're gonna look at this area more globally and talk about parking. Umm, so I won't talk about parking on 00:25:21
this one. Umm, if you go to the next one, cash, this is the, the landscaping, uh, site plan. So what, what you're seeing here is 00:25:29
the Paseo network that we've got in the area. Yep, it's running right there where cash is pointing. So this one is, is not central 00:25:36
to the block. It's shifted to the east. 00:25:43
And it's, it's running north-south. And then you'll see it being picked up in the next building. There's a Paseo between this 00:25:51
building and the next one to the north. And then we have Dover Street and then the next one. So we're running up Sao N it kind of 00:25:59
hits that 18C block and it got a window and then it shifts and goes keeps going north from there. 00:26:07
Contact Elevation. 00:26:18
So the elevations of this building really are trying to give a little bit different offering, but still a timeless, uh, slash 00:26:21
traditional feel a lot of brickwork, umm, adding cornices using some more traditional, uh, architectural proportionate base metal 00:26:28
top to the building. Umm, the, the front portion of the building is 7 stories tall and so it's been augmented some larger windows, 00:26:35
giving a little bit of. 00:26:42
Uh, renovated mercantile steel, uh, large, uh, office, I mean, not office lobby space to the left in that glass area. So as you're 00:26:50
walking by, especially in the evening, you'll see beautiful, uh, seating groups, things like that. It's a big, uh, function space 00:26:58
down, uh, and the lower level and it's a two-story volume. So you'll be able to see through that lobby into the elevated amenity 00:27:05
spaces, which have glazing. So you'll be able to see up and through and sculpture lighting. 00:27:13
And things of that nature in the building, maybe one thing I'd ask you on that elevation, as you're seeing off to the left kind of 00:27:20
this two-story, there's like little deck coming out over on that side. So that part of that amenity space fills out on the second 00:27:27
level over into the the right way into the street. And so in in conjunction with that, the the lobby enters just to the right of 00:27:35
that that large glazing space almost in the middle of the building right there. 00:27:42
It's a large pass through lobby that goes through that front bar and we showed you the Paseo that goes that's kind of been pushed 00:27:50
to the east. 00:27:53
So you can walk from that front door through that lobby and succeeding in the lobby out into that paseo. You can walk across that 00:27:57
paseo and there's a great maker space that's in the next bar right there where the hand is. And so that has these rolled up doors 00:28:04
that's intended for functions and, uh, residents use the host painting events or different seminars of how to make, you know, art 00:28:12
or different things. Uh, so it's really intended that you can bring. 00:28:19
People through the front door of the building, through those spaces, have an event in the middle in that north-south Paseo and tie 00:28:27
it into that, uh, amenity across the Paseo. So it's really trying to engage. Even if people are walking through and do not pass 00:28:33
through the building, it's still very engaging visually all on all sides through there. Is there a potential for that being 00:28:39
commercial or like? 00:28:46
Small like home businesses for residents or anything or what are your stocks on that? 00:28:53
Yeah, it it's meant to be like like published, like the residents could be in there. It's just kind of one of those district wide 00:29:00
amenities. If if there's gonna be like an art class that probably the property management group is organizing and and putting on 00:29:06
or, or another group could do the same in the community. They could put on some kind of and I wouldn't see a problem with like 00:29:12
opening it up to the general public, but. 00:29:19
The people could lease it for business purposes, I mean, for a couple of days or something like that, like that. Oh, you wanna 00:29:26
comment like? 00:29:29
I don't, we haven't really thought through that, but it, it has not been set up that way. It's more of, you know, for a lot of 00:29:34
people, uh, you know, you wanna work on skis, bike straightforward you or you get something in a key, I wanna put it together. Or, 00:29:40
or maybe you're Craftsman and want to build things and don't necessarily wanna try to do it on the living room of your apartment, 00:29:46
The space where large tables on wheels and can move around and tools are in there and it's kind of get in there and, and do it. 00:29:52
But what I. 00:29:58
Is we are trying to create most of these amenities spaces to be very dynamic. They may be programmed for this use today and you 00:30:04
know the first five years, but as the development grows and changes and we implement other things, we're giving ourselves latitude 00:30:11
to be able to come back. And even though it's not programmed for lease now, it's set up in a way that if in the future we said, 00:30:19
hey, that's a great opportunity for that, we're giving ourselves latitude with different spaces to make those. 00:30:26
Cool, cool. 00:30:34
The one thing that I'd point out in the in these, umm, elevations is this archway that you're seeing is that's the fail running 00:30:39
through the building. So in the in the last slide to cash, maybe spot back there that arch space. That's where the casinos running 00:30:46
underneath units. And then once you get past the the that block of units and it opens up OK, And then when you get to the door, 00:30:53
it's going under units again. OK, and those are public that says. 00:31:00
In 24 hours. Cool. 00:31:08
So moving I guess kind of on the, if you go back to that one, if you're just on cash, yeah, that one. So there's kind of like this 00:31:12
hierarchy of spaces, right? You've got the street state, which is public, you know, anybody walking along there, the sales are 00:31:19
open to the public, but then there's a secondary space which is the courtyard, so. 00:31:26
I don't want to miss feature Vijay, but I believe those are gated. So in order to get into the courtyard, we have to charge your 00:31:35
key card. But people can, you know, that are in the Paseo, the general public, they could see what's back there. 00:31:41
I just, you know, looking down the corridor and then you move out of that central courtyard that's surrounded completely with 00:31:48
units and then you get back out onto the kind of St. side and that we're calling those like Alco, kind of like a semi public 00:31:54
space. It's out on the street. There's a piece of play equipment that we're in that kind of tan vineyard bar is a piece of play 00:32:01
equipment. 00:32:07
That's really unique when when nobody and then other kids are in there playing in it. It's kind of like the sculptural piece. 00:32:14
Cool, but it's totally playable. It's kind of like this. Yeah, that's that's it right there. 00:32:20
Yeah, so that, that phase two, there's heating, uh, shaded seating and these renderings are kind of tone down the trees so you 00:32:26
can't see them unless you know what you're looking at, but there will be, it'll be nice to shaded. 00:32:34
And there's feeding out in that space too, so. 00:32:43
I don't know how many of you were here when we kind of went through five and six and eight and 14, but that that hierarchy of 00:32:48
public, semi public and private space is all through the whole master plan. 00:32:54
Yeah, I told BJ we'd only be 45 minutes. We're almost there. So we can keep these and if you guys have any questions, you can. 00:33:08
Feel free to ask. 00:33:17
That's not Mm-hmm. 00:33:23
Just looking at that rendering right there, are those two separate units in the corner, or is that a single unit? 00:33:28
Curious, just in the in this rendering, yeah, yeah, there's two separate things. OK. So kind of that line that you're seeing 00:33:34
coming down. Yeah, dividing the unit and the keyword. Mm-hmm. 00:33:39
But yeah, those units have, they have private patios that come out into the courtyard. That's what you're seeing there. And and 00:33:46
those are like, those are elevated from the courtyard. So people that are in the courtyard can't get into that space. Yeah. 00:33:54
I think that is over the garage is kind of those garage doors that come up and open up so that makerspace is like indoor outdoor 00:34:08
room. 00:34:13
So it could be propped up and you can go through that. 00:34:18
Hmm. One other thing I just want to point out on the ground floor of all these units that you have some sort of like access to the 00:34:22
street, but they also are served by this like interior hallway system, OK. And which this is different than like 5:00 and 6:00 and 00:34:30
8:14. They don't those ground 4 units don't have always and we're trying to provide different products that may have filled the 00:34:37
different people. So that's why you're seeing the hallway in this one. OK, but. 00:34:45
All the buildings, whether it has an interior corridor or not, they will always have exterior entry from the say of the street. 00:34:52
They will always have that cool cool. 00:34:58
It was over. Pardon. Right now. Yeah. Yeah, this is this is a good time to do it. So for 13 C, what you're seeing in green, you 00:35:06
see the building in green and then you see some surface parking stalls highlighted in green. This exhibit is going to show like to 00:35:14
help you understand that we're meeting the parking requirement. But because we're not assigning parking, people will park like 13 00:35:21
C Residents could park in the yellow. They could park in the blue or the purple. 00:35:28
Kinda just first come first, third. So one of the things you'll see in here is we are umm, we are using one of the reductions, 00:35:36
which is unbundled parking, which means it's, it's really, it's not assigned. So it's kind of a first come, first serve. So this 00:35:42
exhibit is more just to see if it works. We're meeting the parking requirement, not necessarily where these residents will park. 00:35:48
OK. 00:35:54
And that parking will be restricted to residents even though the even though it's not assigned, it'll still be permitted. Yep, 00:36:02
that is also one of the things that we are getting a reduction on to make sure we're enforcing parking and we're controlling it. 00:36:10
Do you have that plan yet? Because I know that all the parking study plans, yeah, this this like these studies we're doing one for 00:36:21
five and six as well. So when we bring in the residential wrap on block 4, we'll have the same conversation on 5/6 and and four. 00:36:27
OK. 00:36:32
Umm, but these exhibits will be kind of the groundwork for those parking studies. OK, OK. And just as a whole, uh, we, we, I think 00:36:38
there's a stipulation with some of the, uh, buildings that you guys have already had approved that they can't have a certi 00:36:46
certificate of occupancy until you have a parking plan for the entire area at 505 hundred stalls, which. 00:36:55
Five and six are like 400 and yeah, yeah. 00:37:04
Somebody in the city will choose somebody and if we can agree on one person rate, if not, then those two consultants will choose a 00:37:38
third party to do this study and then whatever that study comes out with will automatically be applied to the code. But yeah, I 00:37:45
think you're looking at, you want to see more kind of what we're looking at here or it's a map showing where the parking is for 00:37:53
the whole project and like as project infield and developed where the new parking thing has been developed. Is that right? 00:38:00
It's, it's more, I guess just with the issues that are currently there, how many people are parking in this development currently 00:38:07
and how that's going to be handled? 00:38:11
Yeah, and that, that's another kind of issue that, that we're working on as a city. You're talking about the cars park online, 00:38:17
Main Street and Market Street. Yeah, Yeah, we, we are working on that. And that is actually streets that are owned by, uh, 00:38:23
Flagboro, umm, and they're the ones who control it. Umm, the, the, I don't think the sheriff's can so without their permission, 00:38:28
umm, but we are working with the City Council recently passed approval for, uh, parking permits to be sold for 300 W and Vanzouk 00:38:34
Rd. umm, and. 00:38:40
Roughly 87 stalls that will open up there that hopefully those people parking up front or will be then able to park at lakefront 00:38:46
closer to where they live. Umm, and that will hopefully prevent people, you know, living in the the South side of 800 N from 00:38:52
meeting to park in Utah City development. OK. 00:38:58
OK. 00:39:06
OK. So we'll probably talk about 13D and 18C together. They're they're. 00:39:09
Very closely related building. The unit types are very similar, so that's kind of the context of those. 00:39:15
Umm, just going over 13D really quick, uh, that, that block is about 1 1/2 or 1.85 acres total of 310 units, about 8580, four 85% 00:39:25
our studio apartment. So these are very, very unique from our other buildings. Uh, you know, we're, we're trying to create a large 00:39:34
variety of unit types. These are gonna be these two buildings, A13B and 18. 00:39:44
He will be heavily studio UM. 00:39:54
You want to talk more about that a little bit of the context is with these buildings, with what we're doing at Utah City, we kind 00:39:59
of have a different opportunity to most developers do and and most developers develop one block and they've got to blend unit 00:40:06
types and residents offerings in one building. So with with the number of buildings that we have, we're utilizing these two 00:40:13
buildings to focus purely into one demographic. 00:40:20
Demographic group and that's really young professional student and some offerings of that nature to, uh, subscribe to UDU and, and 00:40:28
then the young professionals helping uh, people find housing in Utah City. But then as they've been there, they can then migrate 00:40:36
to one of the other buildings and so on and so forth. So the concept of offering these studios is not just, hey, to, to push up 00:40:43
account or to, to do some of these. 00:40:51
Things we're trying to make sure we're, we're preparing who we subscribe to and who has the ability, uh, to rent here and then to, 00:40:58
uh, with that as well. You'll see, uh, in these buildings, the offering of amenities and the other things. Yes, the overall unit 00:41:06
is a little bit smaller than some of the other buildings, but there is, there is a great deal of augmented living space throughout 00:41:13
the buildings. There's space on every floor in each of these buildings that is purely for the residents. 00:41:20
There are amenities that are purely for the residents and then there are other amenities that are those this year amenities we're 00:41:28
talking about. So it's still a high level of living experience, uh, planned in these buildings. 00:41:34
Yeah. So like some of these amenities that that you're seeing in here are, you know, targeted for that demographic that DJ 00:41:44
described. Yeah. 00:41:48
Here you can see how they're they're related they're supposed to sale running up kind of on the eastern side. And if we know 00:41:55
through AT&T and keep going north Dover Street comes between these buildings and then there's something really unique happening on 00:42:02
Dover Street that we're still working through how exactly we plot this and how we work through this but. 00:42:08
I'm just gonna point it out here and then you'll see it in that elevation. So here we are in the elevation. So there's a skybridge 00:42:16
that connects these two buildings. There's amenities spaces in both buildings that at skybridge is connecting. Umm, and then there 00:42:23
is also in the code, there's an entrance type called an arcade where you've got umm, the sidewalk goes underneath the building and 00:42:29
there's columns kind of marching down. 00:42:36
The link like if you're looking from here. 00:42:44
And, and where the arcade ends, it's about 65 feet. And then the sky bridge is, I don't know how wide that is, like 12 feet or 00:42:47
something, 10 to 12 feet up above. 00:42:52
Within our 65 feet. So we're working out how exactly we we flat this, what public, what's private. 00:42:58
Where the easements are running through here like utility easements. And so just know that we're working through that. We don't 00:43:08
have all the answers right now. This is providing a totally unique experience on Dover Street and any other street that we. 00:43:15
Put together so far and part of the reason it's situated like this and actually on these specific blocks is it's pulled out 00:43:24
further from the building on the right. You see in the darker portion of the building that's a district wide like large club room 00:43:31
with game room space and some things. But on the left it's a resident only smaller version of that. So subscribe to both, but the 00:43:38
context of why they're sitting on Dover right there. 00:43:45
We looked at numerous blocks, had them. 00:43:52
Just mapped out what was planned for all those different blocks in this location, uh, for the long foreseeable future, if not the, 00:43:55
uh, the life of Utah City, you'll maintain great mountain views, great lake views and things like that. So we're trying to be just 00:44:03
very mindful as well, not just to stamp a, we put one nice thing in this building or something, but how do we make it the best 00:44:10
that it can be on Utah City? So that's why those are like that and pulled. 00:44:18
Little bit further. 00:44:25
Cool. 00:44:28
Can you talk about the, uh, I guess in the next slide down, uh, kind of pull it out through the building? 00:44:30
Oh, that's the cross section of the bridge. Oh yeah, got on it. It won't actually be a whole. Yeah. Yeah. Like, like open. I've 00:44:41
got a question. Yeah. OK. And these amenities sound great. You mentioned these one bedroom studio apartments, kind of a unique 00:44:49
offering that way. 00:44:57
Uh, what can you say about build quality, particularly finishes? Are these gonna be geared? Maybe Anything new is nice, but, uh. 00:45:05
Are they gonna be? 00:45:18
Basic, uh, for lack of a better word? Or are they gonna be quite, uh, premium and, and, and a more expensive offering? 00:45:21
Question. No, I think everything we're building will be what? 00:45:33
What I call I've, I've done, I've been in architecture for over 25 years. What we would call this is market rate. I mean, it's, 00:45:38
it's what is delivered in the market. So, umm, we are trying to build and design and build in a way that is, it's affordable to 00:45:45
residents. But at the same time, residents have expectations of what it is. So, and, and so they'll be granite countertops and, 00:45:53
and stainless steel appliances and all those things that. 00:46:00
Look, you know, it's, it's an incredible living environment, but at the same time, those materials don't cost what they used to 00:46:08
cost and, and, and things like that. So, and we do cut back in other areas. So there are certain things due to the size of those 00:46:15
units that we get efficiencies there. But it's going to be a A Class A product and but it again, part of it's square footage and 00:46:22
that's what makes it affordable as well. 00:46:29
You know the smaller unit type. How many square feet about are these units? How many square feet are the units? I can tell you 00:46:37
real quick. 00:46:42
Look actually cash if you go down to Slide 71. 00:46:48
There's a breakdown of SO agency and 13 B, Yeah. 00:46:57
And and we say they're predominantly studios, but a lot of those studios have what's called a nested bedroom. So it doesn't, it's 00:47:02
not right on a window, the bedroom is, but the walls open up and things like that. Natural light comes into those rooms, which is 00:47:10
very common and very high end product of that. So my point to that is it's not, I think at least IA lot of times think when you 00:47:17
say studio, you think just that one big open space, but there is a lot of. 00:47:25
I mean, they have nice closets, Some have bedrooms, some have inboard bedrooms. I mean, they're they're set up to be have a lot of 00:47:33
different offerings. Yeah. So like what you're seeing on this table, these are. 00:47:40
These are the basically the building blocks. These are the unit sizes across AT&T and 13 others. There's 12 unit types. Basically, 00:47:48
there's several different layouts of studios. There's three layouts of one bedroom. 00:47:56
And then is that two of them? Yeah. I mean, we go from. 00:48:06
Like 480 is our smaller, 480 square foot is our smallest, but we go up to 1200 square feet. 00:48:11
There's just not as many of those 1200, but there's 700, yeah, there's a 720 Studio and then 471 Studio 900. So everybody, you 00:48:19
know, when they, they come, they'll, they'll pick where they wanna be. They'll pick based on the layout, based on the pricing. 00:48:25
Umm. 00:48:31
The the consumer is very savvy when it comes to this, and they'll figure out exactly which one yeah, yeah. And which one they 00:48:40
like. So. 00:48:45
Does that answer your question, Graydon? Yeah. 00:48:50
I'm supposed to use. 00:48:54
And a little color to the the overall 2 buildings, we tried to make them cohesive, but at the same time different, different and 00:49:00
even under the building in and of itself, try to make the building feel like it's multiple buildings in a very genuine way. 00:49:09
To where it's not like you just change correct colors from one piece to another, very different architecture and and we with the 00:49:19
way these face 2nd Ave. 00:49:24
And the 18A13A, what is our parking lot? The backside of these buildings are going to be facing Vineyard Connector for a long 00:49:29
time. So put a lot of effort into making sure that we forgot, you know, we present a very good phase of any connector as well. 00:49:39
That's something that we can have talked about a lot is there. We're having a real challenge. There is really no back of house on 00:49:49
these buildings because every single size is very visible. So it's like trying to figure out where we're putting trash, where 00:49:55
we're putting electrical equipment and mechanical and everything. It's a challenge because we want every single thought to be 00:50:01
amazing. 00:50:07
So that's, that's also true on the grocery store. You know what we showed you are two amazing facades and the two kind of blank 00:50:15
sides, we're covering those. So you don't have a typical grocery store, you usually have 3 blank sized. They have the main one 00:50:22
where you park out in front, go in and then the other sites are just walls both in this urban condition we and where we're 00:50:28
promoting walkability. 00:50:35
We really can't have any blank calls even on our parking structures. We're we're planning liner buildings that you don't see just 00:50:42
deploying. 00:50:46
Wow, cool. And one last piece that I would say even to our Paseos, it would be very easy to phone it in and make it as basic as 00:50:50
can be with no detail. We're trying to continue to prevent present, sorry. 00:50:58
A good, you know, foot forward. 00:51:08
Everywhere. 00:51:09
So these, these slides are kind of, you're seeing the landscape kind of, uh, framework here is the, the green is obviously the 00:51:12
landscaping and softcape and the tan and the hardscape, the pavers, the concrete. Here's some looks inside the courtyard. This is, 00:51:18
this is the South building 13B. 00:51:25
Everyone's 18 feet. This one's got. Yeah, they're rendering here. You know, just the little water feature inside this courtyard 00:51:35
that's kind of the steps condition where you can people can fit and enjoy the space and there's cascading water coming through. 00:51:43
Barbecue. 00:51:53
Like kind of more intimate private seating areas umm, so you know you can have a breakout of a smaller group and feel like you've 00:51:54
got your own space in the overall larger courtyard sorry soon as 13B1 would be gated by the 13th or the 18th C1 would be open to 00:52:01
right with the sales coming through. There may be some components of that there like kind of spent like maybe a little fence that 00:52:08
you can see through, but. 00:52:15
OK. 00:52:23
I did see in one of the renderings, uh. 00:52:25
That Beehive Cafe, I assume this is another one of the potentially in the future be something. It's just, yeah, maybe go to umm, 00:52:28
there is like a little Bodega Market cafe, a commercial space that's like a third party vendor would come in and run something. 00:52:38
Umm, here, let me see on my iPad, yes and then. 00:52:50
You can see. 00:52:56
So if you go to like the landscape rendering caches on on 563. 00:53:00
All right. There's one you're just on, I think. Yeah. 00:53:07
After the elevation. 00:53:17
Oh yeah, right. Go up 1.0. 00:53:20
Yeah, no, it's 818. I think 76 go to 76. 00:53:25
A viewer on it, sorry. 00:53:30
The next one up? 00:53:35
Oh, sorry, I'm looking at the plans. 00:53:38
Sorry. 00:53:47
Got it. So yeah, it's, uh, that, that market, yeah, it's right there still in the, in this image, the right building, uh, the 00:53:51
bottom of the bar, uh, across the state up from where the hand is. 00:53:59
OK, basically that, that area we're, uh, we're doing a bodega and cafe, which is intended, umm, to basically be those smaller 00:54:07
things that Red didn't want, like a quick something to be something to drink or snacks and all those things or get home from work 00:54:14
late at night. And whether it's like an honor mark or something like that, whatever technology we necessarily use there, we're 00:54:20
debating. 00:54:26
But it's it's something that residents could come in and pick up things real quick without having to go over to Bella's or 00:54:34
something like that. 00:54:37
Cool. 00:54:41
Cool. 00:54:44
Do you guys have any questions? 00:54:46
Yeah, I think it looks great. Do you have anything? Are you real quick? 00:54:50
This thing is sitting up here, really. 00:54:58
Umm, I think the marketing connector. 00:55:04
Because you got. 00:55:12
So we hope not. I hope not and. 00:55:20
We, I've built MO uh, apartment buildings right on legitimate 5 lane highways before. And there are ways to build walls. There are 00:55:29
windows that, uh, can be purchased and things like that committee and all those things. I don't think that's our situation here, 00:55:36
but we're, we're still on AT and CV13B and 13C. So we're still a good ways away from Vineyard connectors. And in the future we're 00:55:44
planning partly structures, parking structures. 00:55:51
18 A ATD 13A13D that will have residents facing back to the east. OK, so there will be a sound wall. That's not a sound wall that 00:55:59
will mitigate that. 00:56:06
Absolutely not. You're working work at night and more sleep during the day. No, it's 539 please. 00:56:16
Yeah. 00:56:27
The one where they're all white? Oh yeah. 00:56:35
Those are the interiors of the courtyard. 00:56:40
Well, it's. 00:56:44
Was it like a 3D image? Is it? Is it this one? 00:56:47
Just trying to think of. 00:56:51
Yeah, that one, it was the one where it was the maker. Yeah, There you go. 00:56:55
That looks to me like a Russian. A Russian donut, a somo somo. 00:57:03
Hello. 00:57:10
Uh-huh. 00:57:14
Bars like Prison So Juliet Balcony. Yeah, they are. 00:57:18
How's visible? 00:57:31
We had a a long debate on those juliets, so they are the function of those. Is those doors still open so you get the error coming 00:57:34
in. 00:57:39
But you don't, you can't step out right because it's it's a couple of inches. 00:57:44
Do you know where to call out? Well, they're, they're high enough so people that there's a guardrail there just as much as if it 00:57:51
was a patio. I mean that it's an alternative. It's the same railings that we have on the balcony. It's it's of the same, it's a 00:57:57
required code height that they are, they're required by code to have certain lateral cords. So we can't pull them off the wall for 00:58:03
those reasons and. 00:58:09
Then he's just like, but it's a little bit, but it's a little skewed too, as Bronson had said, because of like the trees that are 00:58:16
shaded out and things like this. These courtyards have a lot of trees in them that Patel has a lot of trees. And sometimes what 00:58:21
happens when you land tape on that heavy. 00:58:26
They get very dark. So the so if we were to show that you, you wouldn't, you actually wouldn't see this as thought. 00:58:32
So we scale, we mapped out the trees. You can still see the three shapes, but it's it's making us the top of the cough that helps 00:58:38
seize all the kind of greenery right there. But the intention is that two things, and I'm not trying to say your point is not well 00:58:45
taken, is trying to keep those colors light, keep the courtyard with well, brighter and brighter because the lid can get very 00:58:52
dark, especially with the trees. 00:58:59
And all the shades. But you'll never ever see this image in real life. 00:59:06
BJ calls these architectural views that only the architect and you guys are seeing. Residents would never necessarily deceive the 00:59:12
building like this. 00:59:16
Do you have any other questions for you? 00:59:23
All right. Thanks. 00:59:27
Cool uh any other questions uh no looks great yeah I think things look great. I love how this is coming together honestly umm the 00:59:30
potatoes and how we can fit together and the just the amount of different options there are as far as bedrooms and not just like 00:59:37
studio one to three bedrooms, but that they're all they're multiples of each one. I think that's priced umm. I think it's 00:59:43
something that residents. 00:59:49
And future residents will benefit from. So thank you guys so much. I, I do have one quick question. There's something I don't 00:59:56
think we brought up in our comments before that that Patrick wanted me to ask is with, with like on AT&T where you do have that 01:00:02
bodega shop or something that is more open to residents outside of new custody development? Umm, you have some street parking here 01:00:09
is, is the plan for that to, you know, have a one hour limit? 01:00:15
You know, what have you talked about kind of how you program that street to make sure that when Patrick wants to run and get a 01:00:21
Slurpee, there's a good parking platform? Yeah. I would imagine there would be some kind of time limit during the day for for that 01:00:29
year so that, you know, we can keep things turning over. And no, no, residents just parked their car. 01:00:37
Yeah, well, and that brings up, uh, what Jordan's comment was earlier about bike parking, I think. 01:00:44
I would love to see bike parking throughout this, both for residents and for non utacity residents who are down there visiting. 01:00:51
Because I think for me who live on the southern part of the city, if I wanna go up there, like like when I go to the park or when 01:00:58
I go somewhere within the new city of the West, it's way more convenient for me to ride a bike there than to drive and find 01:01:05
parking. And so I think there's gonna be a lot of people as this gets built out and programs more heavily. 01:01:12
A lot of people from the southern part of the city will drive, will bike or scooter or. 01:01:19
Walk even to the north, and so if there's places to park their bikes, I think that would alleviate a lot of the concern for car 01:01:24
parking. They use things like that. So to answer your I mean this as far as the residential unis go in 18 C there are two 01:01:32
different bike areas. I thought the bike plan I I put on the agenda kinda showed more detail, but right here there's a a giant 01:01:39
kind of bike storage like locker room, umm and then in this corner down. 01:01:47
Here or is it 13 that has the bike shop? It's 13. So down here you have a kind of a workshop area where you need to change your 01:01:54
flat tire. There's, you know, tools and you know, so these these blocks do include 4. But you're right that that as far as 01:02:03
visitors go, the sites don't really acknowledge that as much as they do for residents of development. 01:02:11
And and, and in a broader context to kind of expound on that, that we're looking at pedestrians by. 01:02:20
Uh, but we're also trying, we, we're working with the fire Marshall, but not only their truck access, but if they have ambulance 01:02:27
where, you know, good staging areas. We're, we're trying to like, where did deliveries come? How do we handle that? How stressed? 01:02:34
So we're, we're really, I think it's a valid point where you're saying, but we're trying to find all those right places and blend 01:02:40
all that together, umm, on each of these blocks. Yeah. I was just talking to our consultant team on September through 18 T or 13. 01:02:47
The UMM but there I think there's like 16 bike racks located on one of those buildings. 01:02:54
I would imagine that the other building has about the same and I'm just looking at these enough. I don't think we've cited those 01:03:02
by friendships, but when we come back in, we'll make sure we point those out and you can call them out. Cool. 01:03:09
Thanks, Kayden. All right. Thank you guys so much. Yeah, thank you. Looks great. Yeah, I did see it back here. 01:03:16
Yeah, uh, a little bit more on the kind of approval for these next projects, uh, 13 CI believe the 13 C is platted, umm, just 01:03:25
fine. So there's no issues with that going forward. Umm, I think there might have been some uh, comments about the elevation. Uh, 01:03:32
the, the downtown code, umm, has a pretty strict transparency requirement for ground floor that if a, a building is facing a 01:03:39
street and has to have at least 35% umm, transparency material like the glass. And I think there might have been a few. 01:03:47
Umm, because we do have to get those platting umm issues worked out as well as uh on those 13 and 18. There were also some 01:04:25
transparency issues that that we need to resolve with them. Umm, so so we just wanted to bring them early so you guys to get a 01:04:33
good view on and get some comments and thank you guys yeah all right moving on to item 6.4, the Vengeance Fire station #35. 01:04:41
OK. 01:04:50
Great. So yeah, this is another work session item. 01:04:53
Umm, this is for the fire station that's going to be located over in the Cottonwood neighborhood. Umm, we finally have received 01:04:56
all the, the drawings, umm, from the, the builder. Umm, So this is, I believe the Princeton plan that you might see in that 01:05:02
neighborhood. Umm, it has a three car garage associated with it as well as a detached garage, umm, that we just got the running 01:05:08
rates today on. Otherwise this would have been a business item for approval, but we didn't have those renderings, uh, or the, the 01:05:13
elevations for those garages yet. 01:05:19
So I won't bore you with too many of the details. Uh, one thing the these elevations don't show, umm, and, and I could be wrong on 01:05:25
this. We'll, we'll try to clarify in two weeks. But I believe that the City Council did approve funding to do kind of a 01:05:31
foresighted architecture build, umm, where it will have the, the brick wrapping the whole house rather than just kind of the front 01:05:37
of the spot and then stuck on the rears in the same view or anything on that. 01:05:43
So for product that they did brick. 01:05:51
Excellent. 01:05:56
To answer cash question. 01:06:00
Around the whole facility to kind of reflect a red fire station. 01:06:07
What is the size of the detached garage? Let me, I can pull that up to show you guys in just a second. Umm, it, it essentially 01:06:16
it's, it's, it's a single car garage. It's a little larger umm, but it's a longer umm, and I and, and in two weeks we'll also try 01:06:23
to get somebody from ornfire here to maybe give you a little bit more umm, details on how they plan on using the site. Umm, you 01:06:30
know, when an emergency arises, you know what vehicle they're gonna be leaving, what garages and whatnot Umm, but I, I believe. 01:06:38
They'll be parking their fire apparatus in that detached garage and possibly the ambulance there as well. Umm, anchorage of the 01:06:45
fire station, House of the lot or the house, The land? The land. Let me see if this shows that I can find out in just one second 01:06:51
for you. 01:06:57
So. 01:07:07
OK, so it's on, uh, it was two walks that we consolidated on, uh, to one lot, umm, one lot. 01:07:17
Of one point or .169. 01:07:30
There we go, .289 acres for the entire lot. 01:07:35
2nd. 01:07:40
And we have a lot number or address. 01:07:42
Uh yeah, uh, it's a lot. 6545 umm, does it have a dentist address on there? 01:07:49
Yeah, we, we, we should have that information. So one thing to note that the house does face 80th South. Umm, so in that 01:08:01
neighborhood, most of the houses are facing. 01:08:06
Cake you would I don't know how to pronounce that yeah it's new it's something cakey would umm this house does not take any Kiki 01:08:12
would Kiki one OK, Kiki 1 umm it it doesn't say that street umm and they did that so that the fire trucks won't have to be kind of 01:08:18
rounding that corner. They can go immediately on the 80 S and then right on the 300 W hopefully improving the the response time as 01:08:24
well the overall safety for the site. 01:08:30
Umm. 01:08:37
Oh, the address, it looks like it's 226 W 80th South. 01:08:40
To provide that for them umm, it does have a sidewalk umm for ADA access off of Kiki Wood umm, right here. That then leads up to a 01:09:15
door and automatic door right here that is also ADA accessible umm. 01:09:22
Let me, I can pull up that garage if you want to see that. And we, we did have some comments about parking earlier. Umm, and and 01:09:32
that's something I would also probably defer to the arm fire to kind of talk about umm because I'm not exactly sure their their 01:09:39
usage on the garages. If you know if firefighters are, are going to be parking in the garage and driveway or not. But the city did 01:09:46
umm put in some parking, umm, off of 300 W just directly to the West of this Umm. 01:09:53
The idea was was to provide parking for the fire house, but also for, umm, trail access. Fortunately, we haven't seen a lot of 01:10:00
usage. Yeah, that's fine. 01:10:05
Side that that's happening umm and so we've been working with our public works and engineering team on on what we could do to do 01:11:11
that and so it sounds like beacons that that can be installed that when the fire truck is coming out those beacons can flash kind 01:11:18
of let people know umm and same thing we can talk to Orem fire when when they come in two weeks about uh people were concerned 01:11:24
about like sirens with the lights going on umm in the middle of the night and and they. 01:11:31
They're very aware of their surroundings as firefighters and they know that you know, if if it's 2:00 AM. 01:11:38
They, they don't necessarily need to put their, their license firings on and wake everybody up when there's no traffic. Umm, do 01:11:44
you have anything to add about the safety plan that, that we're working on or Patrick Cash? I've got a question about the safety 01:11:51
beacon. As you mentioned. Would they be at the neighborhood entrance and exit near the fire stop signs throughout the 01:11:57
neighborhood? 01:12:04
They they would just be on either side of the the driveway for the fire station. 01:12:12
Umm, same thing each direction. So when somebody's driving up to the fire station, they'll see the flashers. That's the plan right 01:12:17
now. And then, and then we'll probably also have some, uh, tapes and embarking just to keep that area clear so fire trucks can 01:12:23
pull out of there safely. 01:12:30
One other thing on the site I I still mentioned is on the corner right here, we are going to be putting in a monument signed umm, 01:12:39
that just says, you know, Veneer fire station #35 or whatever. Umm, that'll just look really nice to, to the neighborhood. 01:12:46
Uh, is the curbing gonna be the same as the rest of the neighborhood? Are they gonna have something more flat? 01:12:54
OK, interesting. All right. 01:13:01
Oh, uh, let me pull up the garage real quick. 01:13:06
That curve is already a it's already installed, but already my mind is like, it's a drivable curve. Yeah. So like almost 45 years, 01:13:09
you're like something like that. I was just wondering if they were gonna want something more. 01:13:19
Flat, but I'm sure for buyers, the curve in the first year, we can probably look at making that change like fire apparatus. That's 01:13:29
one thing that they always seem to care about Spotify, trucks, the fire app or app. 01:13:36
OK, let me. 01:13:46
Yeah, I mean, this is not, this is a girl. It's a pretty basic rendering here. 01:13:49
So it looks like the the height of the garage itself. I and honestly, I haven't given this a review. That's why we're not doing a 01:13:55
business item tonight because we haven't had this umm, but it is. It looks to be a little bit taller of a garage door. The entire 01:14:00
structures just over 24 feet. 01:14:05
And then it looks like it's 50 feet long. 01:14:14
No public, yeah. Uh, so we're, we're considering detached garage and like an accessory structure. And then our code does permit 01:14:27
for umm, public buildings to go beyond the, the height limit of, of accessory structures if needed. OK. 01:14:34
Without, without extending the set back, I guess, uh, it does actually, you are right. It does say, I think, and, and once again, 01:14:43
I haven't had the chance to give this the, the official review, but it does actually require, I believe, uh, for every foot over 01:14:48
the limit has to be a foot away, foot away. I'll, I'll, I'll double check that one and we'll make sure we have an answer on that. 01:14:54
OK. 01:14:59
Looks like it's not that it's not a concern to me, but it looks like it's like a 24 feet tall. It doesn't look like it's. 01:15:07
Oh, that might be 12 feet away. Yeah, I I'll, I'll look into it and have an answer. OK, cool. 01:15:17
Question about. 01:15:24
We've estimated frequency of. 01:15:27
Calls. Yeah, I can. You know, I might have to do this research or maybe you've heard, but I used to live near a fire station in 01:15:33
Provo and it wasn't a big deal. It seemed like I saw, I heard fire truck pull out maybe every other day. 01:15:43
Umm, what do you guys anticipate? What could we tell neighbors, uh, that they should expect? 01:15:55
Umm, let me see if I can pull up. OK, I I actually just got the response. Umm, oh, they didn't give me the numbers, I don't think. 01:16:02
So they, I was reaching out to on fire for their response time. Umm, just to give a little background, umm, the national standard 01:16:12
what, what has been set, I don't know by what organization, umm is about 5 minutes and I wanna say 30 seconds, umm, for response. 01:16:20
And we are currently at this year's 6 minutes and 23 seconds. So we're quite a bit above that. 01:16:28
But the study that was done by CRSA shows a fire station built in this area would be able to hit an under 4 minute response time 01:16:36
for most of the city. Umm, but yeah, I, I thought I had the, the numbers from on fire, but I don't seem to be by chance. No, the 01:16:43
umm, number of incidents that they respond to. We'll, we'll get that in two weeks as well, yeah. 01:16:50
Cool. Any other questions? No. 01:17:02
All right, umm, cool. Yeah, excited to see anything in two weeks. I just want to add 1 one more thing. So in two weeks we'll be 01:17:08
presenting this as well as a conditional use permit approval because, umm, that that land use currently does not. Yeah, yeah, 01:17:14
permitted out. So we need a conditional use permit. So. OK, so if I heads up for you. Cool, cool. Sounds good. All right, moving 01:17:21
on to staff Commission and committee reports. 01:17:28
So is that what you think? 01:17:35
So, umm. 01:17:54
Earlier this week we we probably have mentioned to you before the TAG grant that we have received which is $129,000 to pretty much 01:17:56
redesign Mill Road and also put together a way finding master plan for the entire city. So. 01:18:06
We set an RFP out which was posted on Monday. 01:18:18
Earlier next week, yeah. So we met with consultants that are interested and we're hoping to have umm, proposal, uh, submitted for 01:18:24
selection and we will, umm, be keeping you up to date on that. The term Bicycle Advisory Commission will be very active with this 01:18:32
project because it really impacts on the active transportation of the city. 01:18:40
And the same reminders and the theme reminded me that, uh, we had a phenomenal. 01:18:55
Trail umm repavement done thanks to our great engineering and public works team. Umm, let me see if that popped up here. I don't 01:18:59
know if you guys have seen it yet. Umm, I have seen. Have you written on it yet? No, that's true. Have you driven on it? No, but I 01:19:07
was surprised when I saw how big it was. Trail is kind of a rebuild of that trail that was right behind the locks in Tucker Row. 01:19:14
Umm very, very wide. Umm, really beautiful. Umm, it connects. 01:19:21
Uh, to this parking area is part of Pepper Row. Umm, I believe they, they had to do that for maintenance like a vac truck who can 01:19:29
maintain the trail. They wanted to have easy access. Umm, and then it connects back under to the, the front runner station. Umm, 01:19:36
and I, I believe this year we're also hopefully gonna start on the Tupperware pocket park design right here as well. Umm, really 01:19:43
kinda revamp this. This area is kind of a great gateway or projects into vineyards. 01:19:50
Sidewalks coming soon to connect uh, main. 01:19:58
To well-being overtime, right? Mill Rd. yeah, yeah. So that, that's another good thing we've I've been meeting with you dot about 01:20:04
that, uh, trail grant that we got from the state. I forgot Utah trail network where they gave the city, I wanna say $5,000,000 to 01:20:11
do a trail all the way from the freeway and Orem all the way down to the lake. So we're, we're kind of waiting on the Utah Trail 01:20:19
network. They've they're working on their standards. They want to make sure that. 01:20:26
Retail they build for the state kind of fits within a certain model of width and material and whatnot. We'll definitely on the 01:20:34
north side of it'll be on the South side. So the idea here is is it'll continue up right next to the curve on on video connector. 01:20:41
Umm, it'll meet up with the the switch back here. Umm, and then it'll just connect into the sidewalk on the connector. Umm, they 01:20:48
can't widen that. Unfortunately, they they'd have to go through Union Pacific to do that and that'll ever happen. 01:20:55
Umm. 01:21:03
And then it'll continue on just right here on the South side of of the connector. And it'll just end with the freeway like, you 01:21:04
know, when you ride your bike to the freeway. Yeah. And, and then, yeah, as as far as as far as the how it'll connect up to the 01:21:10
freeway, I have no idea. 01:21:15
Umm yeah, but but it'll be great often times I, I see a lot of people walking or biking, umm, this section of the new connector 01:21:22
and, and somebody who does it myself, it's it's horrifying yeah umm and the roads are not always in the best condition and it'll 01:21:28
be great to have that that yeah, so and they. 01:21:34
I want to say they probably will start construction next year. I've heard them say that umm. 01:21:42
Yeah, the yeah, the you talked to our network considers our project. So already we're very low barriers. They can get started on 01:21:49
it soon. So I think they'll they'll start once they have the standards, they'll start on the design and then get moving on it. 01:21:53
Cool. 01:21:57
Well, I think that's it from staff. 01:22:02
Do you have anything? No, no, anything from the Commission? 01:22:07
No, All right, if that's everything looks like it is, then. 01:22:13
The same thing. 01:22:19
So they seem to go for the worst record. 01:22:25
Uh, uh, cash, I was, uh, kinda whe when, uh, uh, talking about the job network and, uh, so that's and still work. One thing that I 01:22:30
just want to mention, uh, this goes towards production safety and so forth. Uh, the other workstreet team, uh, installed, uh, a 01:22:36
new, uh, no turn on right sign on Main Street. Yeah, on Main Street and 400 N by the, umm, Freedom elementary school. Yeah, there 01:22:43
we go. OK. 01:22:49
Uh, so which, uh, which I'll go to go towards enhancing safety for uh. 01:22:57
School children specifically, as well as crossing guards, uh, current, uh, currently Utah State laws, uh, a car may make a travel 01:23:03
movement, journey movement as long as discussion is outside. So like their lane of travel. So in essence, it's lane session across 01:23:10
the task, the reliance half the half the street, like hard to make it, uh, move my tower with, with all the kids that they're out 01:23:18
there in the drive, uh, crossing Dr. that's been causing some, uh, that's, that causes. 01:23:25
We'll keep close call conflict. 01:23:33
So we installed it, we installed that sign on the street as well. So tomorrow, umm, excuse me, tomorrow they'll be doing a, uh, 01:23:35
citywide testing of the traffic, you know, actually doing that traffic signals. But, uh, school flashers, uh, went to include the 01:23:44
new school flashers that we received the last week of school last year for Vinod Elementary. So we have an upgrade for that. 01:23:52
Uh, and we saw the upgrades, so we're happy to have those in our system, so. 01:24:01
Yeah. 01:24:07
Uh, reduce the burden that that a lot of people are are facing right now. So. 01:24:41
All right. I just want to let the public know they're listening to this meeting. Yeah, but they will be. We'll probably start 01:24:46
selling the permits, I'd imagine sometime next week. Cool. So. 01:24:51
All right, cool. That's everything. 01:24:57
Anything adjourned? 01:25:00
All right. 01:25:02
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August 7th and it is 6:03 PM. We'll get right into things. I agree, and also it's gonna give us an implication and eligible 00:00:00
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Alright, we'll move right into public comments. Do you have any public comments? Comments state your name and do you have any? 00:01:20
Sorry, you got anything today? No. 00:01:25
OK, David, is that anything all right? Hey, uh, we'll move right into the consent items. Did you guys have a chance to look over 00:01:31
the, uh, Planning Commission meeting minutes? 00:01:36
You, you weren't in either of those meetings, I don't think, Brandon, did you have a chance to look at those? 00:01:43
Uh, that yeah. Minutes. 00:01:50
No, no. Do you want to push those off to get those approved then? 00:01:53
Yeah, we'll do that. Uh, I'll make a motion to move the consent items to the next meeting. Is that alright? Alright. During the 00:02:01
second. 00:02:05
Second, all in favor, all right, moving into the work session, uh 6.3 Utah city block 413 and 18 in the site work site plan work 00:02:09
session. OK, We, uh, do have our applicants here. Umm, these, these are quite a few umm, different projects going on and these 00:02:16
have to be development. Umm, and we just have one kind of big slide show here that we're gonna run through umm and they're just 00:02:24
sticking through your comments. Uh, staff has done our kind of initial review on all these and. 00:02:31
Umm for the most part, they they are compliant with the code. There are a few comments that that we're still working through on on 00:02:39
some elevations and some functionality of the spaces, but overall that they are looking pretty good. So I'll let uh take it away 00:02:45
from here perfect How's it going? Hey thanks for having us here Bronson captain uh with flagboro BJ lavender also with flagborough 00:02:52
umm. 00:02:58
Yeah, we're excited to be going over all this stuff. There's quite a few things to to go through. There's four different site plan 00:03:04
applications in UMM. 00:03:08
And we'll just kind of go through them in that order, SO4D cash if you want to Scroll down. 00:03:14
Yeah, it was kind of the context map. So the, the areas in yellow, orange, those are those site plans have been approved and 00:03:22
they're, they're under construction in one form or another. Umm, 5 and 6 are the ones down by 4D. So you're seeing those being 00:03:31
framed right now. And then the ones up by across the street from 1310 to 13, those are blocks 14 and 8. 00:03:40
And 14 is starting putting in foundation. Mm-hmm. 00:03:50
And then eight, I don't know if it'd be 30 days for permanent building. Permanent. 00:03:54
Umm, so yeah, 4D let's jump into that. That is, uh, the bellows market, the grocery store site plan. So it's that overall block, 00:04:04
Block sport is uh, about 3 1/2 acres. This is just like 1/4 of that overall full block floor. So This is why we call it 4D. 00:04:12
There's ABCD. So this is just kind of 1/4 of that. 00:04:21
So, uh, we're anticipating the grocery store to be about 43,000 square feet over that, and then there's a little retail corner 00:04:30
that will show you if it's about 2600 square feet. 00:04:35
There is on two sides of the grocery store, there will be a residential route so that you don't see kind of the employing walls of 00:04:41
the grocery store, but that we're still working on those plans and we'll bring those in. We'll kind of point out where those are 00:04:45
at in the future. 00:04:50
Umm, and then go back up one more or back to that first slide. Oh, and then the amenities will also be associated with the the 00:04:57
residential building that goes later. 00:05:02
So the grocery store is the orange, uh, the large orange block. And then just to the left is kind of the, the loading area and 00:05:08
umm, like refrigeration and kind of just loading unloading area. And then up to the north, like the, the top right of the larger 00:05:16
orange piece that's a retail corner. And then the blue, pink and yellow around. That's the future residential route. And you can 00:05:23
kind of see. 00:05:30
In a 3D, the grocery store is one story and then the yellow residential wrap, we don't know if it will look exactly like that. 00:05:38
We're still working through that, but just conceptually, that's kind of how that looks. 00:05:44
Yeah, that's just kind of the same. That's an initial layout. Umm. 00:05:55
You know exactly like that, but that's you're seeing the aisles in there. So the main entrance is that red arrow just above your 00:06:01
hand there cash. Yep, that's the main entrance. There's a temporary surface parking lot out in the front where you know you can 00:06:09
park, walk in through those doors and then you would have kind of your produce and and stuff on the right and like your deli and. 00:06:17
Things over there on the right, and then as you kind of come around, you see the aisles. 00:06:26
Stacked in there and then the cash registers are just to the right as they have there. Yep. And then we are looking at a pharmacy 00:06:32
on the South end there. 00:06:36
So that's just kind of a general layout. This is the civil site plan. So that's the parking lot out front. 00:06:42
Kind of 1/2 spray area like the little dot. Uh, when eventually in a future phase, we'll, we'll bring a parking structure in and 00:06:49
wrap that parking structure in the surface parking lot. And this area in front of the grocery store will be one of the potatoes 00:06:56
that you've seen in our other type plans. And then there's also a Paseo on the north side of the grocery store that connects out 00:07:02
to Block 5. 00:07:09
And then these are, uh, just kind of a black and white elevation. 00:07:18
The 3D ones are a little bit more interesting when we get there. There you go. 00:07:25
So here you can see the front of the grocery store, the parking out front, the the main entrance into the grocery store, and then 00:07:30
the future residential back behind and on on the backside and on the north side kind of widened out. 00:07:37
So this is for planning for the main entrance in and. 00:07:48
In the overall frontage, what it looks like, the landscaping isn't like totally fully thought out in these renderings. This is 00:07:53
more of the architectural renderings than the landscape renderings, but we'll get into landscaping. Bronson, I do have a quick 00:07:59
question actually, because you mentioned how eventually looking at the site plan here, umm, you said the front, the east side will 00:08:05
become a paseo. Mm-hmm. And doing that, it'll kind of block off that front entrance in terms of the elevation, like it won't be as 00:08:11
prominent. 00:08:17
Entrance has there been any thought on doing something with the the South elevation to make, you know, in the future that's gonna 00:08:24
become the more, I guess, a visible side of the grocery store. Yeah, we we we can talk to this too. But yeah, actually you just go 00:08:32
ahead and just for clarification so like from as well. I'm director of architecture over. Oh, sorry. 00:08:41
Yeah, not many people tell me to be louder usually, so I apologize. Umm, so on, on this particular block, in that context of the 00:08:51
Paseo, like the building or the grocer and the future building to the north, umm, you'll see a typical Paseo here with the grocery 00:08:58
store being what it is, the prominence that it needs, the volume that it'll have. We've been studying this where this will be kind 00:09:05
of an atypical scenario where the future parking deck and building. 00:09:12
Go in this block 4C, which is where the temporary parking lot is now we'll stand further away from the front of the grocery store 00:09:20
uh, because we do wanna maintain that presence. I mean we're putting a lot into what this store looks like and we want from the 00:09:27
main entry off in your connector to maintain that level of visibility and as you're coming down Avery right here to have that 00:09:35
prominent it stands out you see the glow and and all of that and as well we wanna make sure we still. 00:09:42
Can flood the store with natural light. 00:09:50
How many levels is the future parking lot going to be? 00:09:55
Uh, do you know, you don't know what we don't know exactly. It's gonna depend on, you know, how, how we build out these N blocks. 00:10:02
So, you know, this is all future, but what we're thinking is the, the block on the top left. So for a is a residential building 00:10:10
with a parking structure embedded in it. So not really into routes and then goes up above the deck and then the next. 00:10:17
Yeah, that block there, it's the right. 4B is a proposed office building. 00:10:26
OK. 00:10:31
But those are, you know, those are years away and. 00:10:32
We don't really wanna focus on those right now because we don't know exactly what they will remain those or not. So yeah. 00:10:39
Mostly. OK, cool. Yeah. 00:10:47
I think that's it for the presentation on the grocery store. If you guys did want to have discussion on that before we move on to 00:10:51
the other block, did you guys have any questions or comments? 00:10:56
Umm, none other than the so the grocery store is first in the residential a rapid is a future phase. Do you have we'll find that 00:11:03
in a separate site plan, but it will, you know, we can talk all through that one later. But and you clarify by future phase, we're 00:11:10
purely saying we're trying to push the grocery store in advance to just putting foundations and things going right away. It's 00:11:17
going to be 1 continuous build. It's not a build to grocery wait a year. It's it's. 00:11:24
Be continuous construction. OK, That was mostly my question. Yeah. Like that the residential graph around like right adjacent to 00:11:31
the grocery store will be very quickly like, you know, as soon as we can pull those elevations together and get all of our civil 00:11:38
engineering around that completed, we'll bring it in. So I'm hoping like like in a month or two. But those buildings to the north, 00:11:45
we're talking like years away, not like a couple weeks a month. 00:11:52
Great. And you have any questions? 00:12:01
Yeah. You mentioned a retail corner maybe connected to the grocery store. What can you further tell us about that? 00:12:02
So it is a connected 2026 twenty 700 square foot tenant, umm, and it's set up for a true tenant, uh, situation. So we're thinking 00:12:13
it could be a great restaurant spot or, but we're setting it up. But it could be, umm, we could put basically anything and it 00:12:21
could even be subdivided if we needed it to be. But we're trying to set it up, uh, for flexibility to be a cold, dark shell that 00:12:28
we can adapt it to whatever. 00:12:35
Appropriate there we're also leaving the master plan is to keep that larger uh outdoor space there so there's uh there's other 00:12:43
restaurants retail in there some food carts things and so we're trying to have that as always be an active corner in a in a minute 00:12:50
to that overall block yeah like where the sales are kind of converging in the future conditions. We want that to be very active 00:12:57
and part of helping that be activated was having. 00:13:04
This corner retail on my grocery store there is a component of the grocery store as well where there's. 00:13:12
There's outdoor seating, so. 00:13:19
I don't know how to exactly describe but you can see the tables and chairs out outside of the grocery store. The grocery store has 00:13:23
another and like a an entrance there that. 00:13:29
Is it like the Caffeinated? Yeah, there's it's set up in a way to that. They could have a cafe there or and they're working 00:13:36
through the programming of the store right now to see what that serves. But they're on board with that. They like that 00:13:42
opportunity, the outdoor seating, some of the prepared goods to be able to utilize. The intention is to really activate that whole 00:13:48
corner. And for that corner retail spot, would there be an interior? 00:13:55
Entrance and an exterior entrance to that unit. 00:14:02
To the grocery store, yeah, right now I don't think we planned for that. It's, it's kind of a stand alone retail where it would be 00:14:07
a totally independent tenant in the grocery store. But the cafe, you know, that's kind of this indoor outdoor relationship. 00:14:15
Any other questions? 00:14:28
Any of you guys have any questions? Sorry you got it from the mic. Sorry, you should know by now. 00:14:30
Looking at this I see I was talking with Tash about this the pharmacy. 00:14:41
And it looks like you're going to have to drive through. Yep. And then we'll have to do something. Yeah, I can. I can kind of go 00:14:50
into the details on that if you want, just for the public to understand. I think that would be very beneficial. 00:14:58
For my community that I live in, we have a lot of residents that can't get out of their car and would be grateful for advising 00:15:05
pharmacy and I just have to do some type of work with that. But I think that is, yeah, they're, they're even keeping that up 00:15:11
currently in in our review of of the downtown code, it does not permit for Dr. Throughs to be located on the side of the building, 00:15:17
only in the rear of the buildings. 00:15:23
Umm and so we're working with with brothel and the senior on on a possible zoning tax amendment that would allow for. 00:15:30
Umm, a pharmaceutical Dr. Throughs and we have, uh, some language in there like queueing distance because you got to treat a 00:15:37
queueing distance for pharmacy different than you would for like a Chick-fil-A or something like that. Umm, so, uh, and to go kind 00:15:43
of more into the details on, on where we're at on the staff level on this, umm, they did just submit a final plat for this block 00:15:48
that does break it up into those different lots because, umm, prior to doing that for the site plan, we expect them to, to finish 00:15:54
the whole block. 00:15:59
Umm, and this way they can just focus on the grocery store and that parking lot, do the landscaping for that, and then go through, 00:16:06
you know, later for those other phases. 00:16:10
Through in and it can come back through the Planning Commission for approval. Umm, and I just won't hold up the process otherwise, 00:16:44
you know, it's only techmomics can take a month or longer to, to figure out getting the Planning Commission and City Council and 00:16:51
we, we don't wanna hold this up longer than than we need to. OK. So yeah, I was curious why it wasn't included in the, uh. 00:16:58
I guess in the highlighted drawing and, and one other thing just to, to kind of prepare you guys, uh, the Planning Commission on, 00:17:05
umm, they, they have submitted a landscape plan for this. Umm, but it, it did last a lot of the details that we usually are 00:17:11
looking at in, in landscape plans. We wanna see, you know, species and the counter size. We wanna see, umm, just all that kind of 00:17:17
information to make sure that it, that it meets our standards. Umm, and just due to how they're doing this middle here, we're 00:17:23
letting them do a deferred. 00:17:29
It's planned where we will still give it a review and, and approval, umm, but in two weeks they will come with a planting list of 00:17:35
saying here's, you know, here's our palette of, of what we're going to plant. It'll still, you know, we have the locations of the 00:17:40
trees and the location of all the, the green space and open space, but it might not be as detailed as what we're used to seeing. 00:17:44
OK. 00:17:49
And, and that's the same for all these blocks that we're gonna be reviewing. Umm, the, the landscape plans aren't up to, you know, 00:17:55
that 100% final, umm, that, that we're used to seeing. Umm, and just, I guess a quick comment on the drive through, even though 00:18:02
this isn't really part of the discussion right now, uh, having that via turn in, uh, from the right lane, turn in and, uh, have 00:18:09
the building facing the right side. I think it's a great idea, assuming that they have some kind of, uh, like a bank. 00:18:17
Boxes or something to send everything first uh crossing that left and then crossing back over the road and dealing with the 00:18:25
queuing there. I think it could be an issue, but the way it looks drawn right now would be coming in on the right and I think that 00:18:31
that's a good idea. I think that that's how it ought to be done. Umm any other questions? Cool uh, I think the building looks 00:18:38
beautiful. Oh sure go ahead. 00:18:44
Alright, can you go? 00:18:57
Sure. 00:19:00
So we, we have regulations on, we have a code that they have to meet as far as bike parking. Did you guys wanna discuss that at 00:19:01
all? It's not yes. I'm looking to see if it's shown in any of these drawings that we sent through. 00:19:08
And it doesn't look like we represented it very well, but we, yeah, we are planning on bike parking. We're actually working with 00:19:16
Salt Lake Green Bike. 00:19:21
And you might know about this or I don't know if you do know about it, but we've been working with Salt Lake Green Bike on 00:19:27
bringing their basically their operations down here. And what that is, is it's a bike share program. You go in and you can like, 00:19:35
you know, put your credit card in and then you can take the bike. This we're identifying Bella's as one of the hubs. 00:19:42
OK, cool. The train station would be another one and then there would be others like throughout the community and, and, uh, we've 00:19:50
had discussions with staff as well about bringing those green bikes into like down to Senior Grove Park and Sunset Beach Park and 00:19:57
maybe the megaplex. And like that would be the bike share program. So associated with like that docking station, there would 00:20:04
probably be other bike racks with that. We just, we haven't located that hub. 00:20:11
On, on these plans that you're seeing right now, but when we come back in, in two weeks, we can have that cool. So we can talk 00:20:19
about that then too. Well, we have baskets on them. Yeah, we're, they don't, uh, green bike doesn't have any. Well, they, I think 00:20:25
they do have baskets, but they don't have like the cargo bikes and we've talked to them about getting cargo bikes so you can put 00:20:32
more groceries on your bike instead of just what fits in the basket. That'd be cool. Cool. 00:20:38
Any other questions? Yeah, I think the I think plans look awesome. 00:20:45
Umm. 00:20:50
Uh, we have talked about in the past and I don't doubt it, this will look like how it's presented. Uh, but you don't expect plans 00:20:52
to look just as good as they do and the rendering. Yeah. And the, the one thing too I'll point out on this one, which is a little 00:20:58
bit different than the other landscape plans that you'll see on the other blocks and, and in particular the parking lot. So all of 00:21:04
the parking lots we're doing right now. 00:21:09
Are temporary surface parking lots that will eventually go into a parking structure. You know, once we can get some velocity on on 00:21:16
our buildings and getting tenants in and our residents in. 00:21:21
Back into those surface parking lots and we'll build parking structures kind of like what we've talked about here. But we 00:21:29
anticipate this parking lot will probably be this way for many, many years. Whereas the other ones I think are putting like A7 00:21:35
year limit on those temporary, what we're calling temporary parking lot, surface parking lot. And so we're not putting as much 00:21:41
landscape into those ones as you're seeing on this line. And that that's intentional because we do think that's when we'll 00:21:47
probably be here longer. 00:21:53
Than that than that. And part of that is to to make sure it's just kinda what was commented is that everybody knows where Bella's 00:21:59
is. They know how to get in the. 00:22:04
What we're planning right now is all of the circulation, vehicular circulation and Tibela's will be the exact same on the ground 00:22:09
floors. Just there will be a parking garage up above this parking lot. Umm, so it's kind of like, you know, we, we anticipate this 00:22:17
will be here a while. We're putting a lot of landscaping inside this parking lot. So you're seeing more landscaping than this. 00:22:26
Than you will in the other plants that we're looking at tonight. Cool. 00:22:35
That's a requirement, isn't it? If they don't have the parking garage up within a certain amount of time, then there has to be X 00:22:40
amount of land. Yeah, yeah, the the code I, I don't remember the exact percentages, but after I believe it is seven years. 00:22:45
On these temporary locks, they have to increase the landscaping requirement, I wanna say by 20 or 30% beyond the code. Umm, so we 00:22:51
do have some pretty good keys there to to help get these temporary landscape or temporary parking lots to, you know, get 00:22:57
landscapes and develop. Cool. I think it's great you guys are doing that ahead of time. Awesome. 00:23:04
Cool. All right, OK, so then we're gonna move into 13 C, So if you remember, or actually I think there's another context on here. 00:23:11
Yeah. So 13 C, we're kinda moving north and we're coming across the street from building 8 and 14. So 13C13B and 18C are gonna be 00:23:21
the next three buildings that we're looking at. And so, yeah, go to that slide there cache. So this is kinda just a summary of. 00:23:30
What we're planning in 13 C Umm. 00:23:40
This particular building doesn't have any commercial square footage. Umm, it has about 342 residential units and umm, there's a 00:23:43
list of amenities there. DJ, you wanna go? I'll talk more about the building on this one. So 13 C is the first building we're 00:23:51
doing that has a heavy, heavy amenity package is intended to be. 00:23:59
This building and the next year we're talking about or, or what we're calling district wide amenities. And so the buildings, uh, 00:24:08
5-6 and what's in four. 00:24:13
Umm, they will all have the ability to utilize the amenities and certainty in the next two buildings we're talking about. So, umm, 00:24:18
these buildings are what we would consider a top of the market, uh, offering, uh, for anything in the valley. And so there are, 00:24:25
uh, beautiful lobbies, Co working club room spaces, private dining rooms that could be leased out, umm, or utilized when someone 00:24:33
doesn't have them late. We have, uh, elevated. 00:24:40
For patios, we, uh, we have a, uh, small club room and 13 C, but that's augmented by an 8000 square foot, uh, fitness center in 00:24:48
the next building. So it's just again offering. These are those top of market amenities that, uh, we plan to put throughout the 00:24:55
development. And so this is the first of the, the buildings to have this offering. 00:25:02
OK, So this is this is the civil site plan. You're seeing the the parking associated with this building highlighted in blue. 00:25:11
Later on we're gonna go, we're gonna look at this area more globally and talk about parking. Umm, so I won't talk about parking on 00:25:21
this one. Umm, if you go to the next one, cash, this is the, the landscaping, uh, site plan. So what, what you're seeing here is 00:25:29
the Paseo network that we've got in the area. Yep, it's running right there where cash is pointing. So this one is, is not central 00:25:36
to the block. It's shifted to the east. 00:25:43
And it's, it's running north-south. And then you'll see it being picked up in the next building. There's a Paseo between this 00:25:51
building and the next one to the north. And then we have Dover Street and then the next one. So we're running up Sao N it kind of 00:25:59
hits that 18C block and it got a window and then it shifts and goes keeps going north from there. 00:26:07
Contact Elevation. 00:26:18
So the elevations of this building really are trying to give a little bit different offering, but still a timeless, uh, slash 00:26:21
traditional feel a lot of brickwork, umm, adding cornices using some more traditional, uh, architectural proportionate base metal 00:26:28
top to the building. Umm, the, the front portion of the building is 7 stories tall and so it's been augmented some larger windows, 00:26:35
giving a little bit of. 00:26:42
Uh, renovated mercantile steel, uh, large, uh, office, I mean, not office lobby space to the left in that glass area. So as you're 00:26:50
walking by, especially in the evening, you'll see beautiful, uh, seating groups, things like that. It's a big, uh, function space 00:26:58
down, uh, and the lower level and it's a two-story volume. So you'll be able to see through that lobby into the elevated amenity 00:27:05
spaces, which have glazing. So you'll be able to see up and through and sculpture lighting. 00:27:13
And things of that nature in the building, maybe one thing I'd ask you on that elevation, as you're seeing off to the left kind of 00:27:20
this two-story, there's like little deck coming out over on that side. So that part of that amenity space fills out on the second 00:27:27
level over into the the right way into the street. And so in in conjunction with that, the the lobby enters just to the right of 00:27:35
that that large glazing space almost in the middle of the building right there. 00:27:42
It's a large pass through lobby that goes through that front bar and we showed you the Paseo that goes that's kind of been pushed 00:27:50
to the east. 00:27:53
So you can walk from that front door through that lobby and succeeding in the lobby out into that paseo. You can walk across that 00:27:57
paseo and there's a great maker space that's in the next bar right there where the hand is. And so that has these rolled up doors 00:28:04
that's intended for functions and, uh, residents use the host painting events or different seminars of how to make, you know, art 00:28:12
or different things. Uh, so it's really intended that you can bring. 00:28:19
People through the front door of the building, through those spaces, have an event in the middle in that north-south Paseo and tie 00:28:27
it into that, uh, amenity across the Paseo. So it's really trying to engage. Even if people are walking through and do not pass 00:28:33
through the building, it's still very engaging visually all on all sides through there. Is there a potential for that being 00:28:39
commercial or like? 00:28:46
Small like home businesses for residents or anything or what are your stocks on that? 00:28:53
Yeah, it it's meant to be like like published, like the residents could be in there. It's just kind of one of those district wide 00:29:00
amenities. If if there's gonna be like an art class that probably the property management group is organizing and and putting on 00:29:06
or, or another group could do the same in the community. They could put on some kind of and I wouldn't see a problem with like 00:29:12
opening it up to the general public, but. 00:29:19
The people could lease it for business purposes, I mean, for a couple of days or something like that, like that. Oh, you wanna 00:29:26
comment like? 00:29:29
I don't, we haven't really thought through that, but it, it has not been set up that way. It's more of, you know, for a lot of 00:29:34
people, uh, you know, you wanna work on skis, bike straightforward you or you get something in a key, I wanna put it together. Or, 00:29:40
or maybe you're Craftsman and want to build things and don't necessarily wanna try to do it on the living room of your apartment, 00:29:46
The space where large tables on wheels and can move around and tools are in there and it's kind of get in there and, and do it. 00:29:52
But what I. 00:29:58
Is we are trying to create most of these amenities spaces to be very dynamic. They may be programmed for this use today and you 00:30:04
know the first five years, but as the development grows and changes and we implement other things, we're giving ourselves latitude 00:30:11
to be able to come back. And even though it's not programmed for lease now, it's set up in a way that if in the future we said, 00:30:19
hey, that's a great opportunity for that, we're giving ourselves latitude with different spaces to make those. 00:30:26
Cool, cool. 00:30:34
The one thing that I'd point out in the in these, umm, elevations is this archway that you're seeing is that's the fail running 00:30:39
through the building. So in the in the last slide to cash, maybe spot back there that arch space. That's where the casinos running 00:30:46
underneath units. And then once you get past the the that block of units and it opens up OK, And then when you get to the door, 00:30:53
it's going under units again. OK, and those are public that says. 00:31:00
In 24 hours. Cool. 00:31:08
So moving I guess kind of on the, if you go back to that one, if you're just on cash, yeah, that one. So there's kind of like this 00:31:12
hierarchy of spaces, right? You've got the street state, which is public, you know, anybody walking along there, the sales are 00:31:19
open to the public, but then there's a secondary space which is the courtyard, so. 00:31:26
I don't want to miss feature Vijay, but I believe those are gated. So in order to get into the courtyard, we have to charge your 00:31:35
key card. But people can, you know, that are in the Paseo, the general public, they could see what's back there. 00:31:41
I just, you know, looking down the corridor and then you move out of that central courtyard that's surrounded completely with 00:31:48
units and then you get back out onto the kind of St. side and that we're calling those like Alco, kind of like a semi public 00:31:54
space. It's out on the street. There's a piece of play equipment that we're in that kind of tan vineyard bar is a piece of play 00:32:01
equipment. 00:32:07
That's really unique when when nobody and then other kids are in there playing in it. It's kind of like the sculptural piece. 00:32:14
Cool, but it's totally playable. It's kind of like this. Yeah, that's that's it right there. 00:32:20
Yeah, so that, that phase two, there's heating, uh, shaded seating and these renderings are kind of tone down the trees so you 00:32:26
can't see them unless you know what you're looking at, but there will be, it'll be nice to shaded. 00:32:34
And there's feeding out in that space too, so. 00:32:43
I don't know how many of you were here when we kind of went through five and six and eight and 14, but that that hierarchy of 00:32:48
public, semi public and private space is all through the whole master plan. 00:32:54
Yeah, I told BJ we'd only be 45 minutes. We're almost there. So we can keep these and if you guys have any questions, you can. 00:33:08
Feel free to ask. 00:33:17
That's not Mm-hmm. 00:33:23
Just looking at that rendering right there, are those two separate units in the corner, or is that a single unit? 00:33:28
Curious, just in the in this rendering, yeah, yeah, there's two separate things. OK. So kind of that line that you're seeing 00:33:34
coming down. Yeah, dividing the unit and the keyword. Mm-hmm. 00:33:39
But yeah, those units have, they have private patios that come out into the courtyard. That's what you're seeing there. And and 00:33:46
those are like, those are elevated from the courtyard. So people that are in the courtyard can't get into that space. Yeah. 00:33:54
I think that is over the garage is kind of those garage doors that come up and open up so that makerspace is like indoor outdoor 00:34:08
room. 00:34:13
So it could be propped up and you can go through that. 00:34:18
Hmm. One other thing I just want to point out on the ground floor of all these units that you have some sort of like access to the 00:34:22
street, but they also are served by this like interior hallway system, OK. And which this is different than like 5:00 and 6:00 and 00:34:30
8:14. They don't those ground 4 units don't have always and we're trying to provide different products that may have filled the 00:34:37
different people. So that's why you're seeing the hallway in this one. OK, but. 00:34:45
All the buildings, whether it has an interior corridor or not, they will always have exterior entry from the say of the street. 00:34:52
They will always have that cool cool. 00:34:58
It was over. Pardon. Right now. Yeah. Yeah, this is this is a good time to do it. So for 13 C, what you're seeing in green, you 00:35:06
see the building in green and then you see some surface parking stalls highlighted in green. This exhibit is going to show like to 00:35:14
help you understand that we're meeting the parking requirement. But because we're not assigning parking, people will park like 13 00:35:21
C Residents could park in the yellow. They could park in the blue or the purple. 00:35:28
Kinda just first come first, third. So one of the things you'll see in here is we are umm, we are using one of the reductions, 00:35:36
which is unbundled parking, which means it's, it's really, it's not assigned. So it's kind of a first come, first serve. So this 00:35:42
exhibit is more just to see if it works. We're meeting the parking requirement, not necessarily where these residents will park. 00:35:48
OK. 00:35:54
And that parking will be restricted to residents even though the even though it's not assigned, it'll still be permitted. Yep, 00:36:02
that is also one of the things that we are getting a reduction on to make sure we're enforcing parking and we're controlling it. 00:36:10
Do you have that plan yet? Because I know that all the parking study plans, yeah, this this like these studies we're doing one for 00:36:21
five and six as well. So when we bring in the residential wrap on block 4, we'll have the same conversation on 5/6 and and four. 00:36:27
OK. 00:36:32
Umm, but these exhibits will be kind of the groundwork for those parking studies. OK, OK. And just as a whole, uh, we, we, I think 00:36:38
there's a stipulation with some of the, uh, buildings that you guys have already had approved that they can't have a certi 00:36:46
certificate of occupancy until you have a parking plan for the entire area at 505 hundred stalls, which. 00:36:55
Five and six are like 400 and yeah, yeah. 00:37:04
Somebody in the city will choose somebody and if we can agree on one person rate, if not, then those two consultants will choose a 00:37:38
third party to do this study and then whatever that study comes out with will automatically be applied to the code. But yeah, I 00:37:45
think you're looking at, you want to see more kind of what we're looking at here or it's a map showing where the parking is for 00:37:53
the whole project and like as project infield and developed where the new parking thing has been developed. Is that right? 00:38:00
It's, it's more, I guess just with the issues that are currently there, how many people are parking in this development currently 00:38:07
and how that's going to be handled? 00:38:11
Yeah, and that, that's another kind of issue that, that we're working on as a city. You're talking about the cars park online, 00:38:17
Main Street and Market Street. Yeah, Yeah, we, we are working on that. And that is actually streets that are owned by, uh, 00:38:23
Flagboro, umm, and they're the ones who control it. Umm, the, the, I don't think the sheriff's can so without their permission, 00:38:28
umm, but we are working with the City Council recently passed approval for, uh, parking permits to be sold for 300 W and Vanzouk 00:38:34
Rd. umm, and. 00:38:40
Roughly 87 stalls that will open up there that hopefully those people parking up front or will be then able to park at lakefront 00:38:46
closer to where they live. Umm, and that will hopefully prevent people, you know, living in the the South side of 800 N from 00:38:52
meeting to park in Utah City development. OK. 00:38:58
OK. 00:39:06
OK. So we'll probably talk about 13D and 18C together. They're they're. 00:39:09
Very closely related building. The unit types are very similar, so that's kind of the context of those. 00:39:15
Umm, just going over 13D really quick, uh, that, that block is about 1 1/2 or 1.85 acres total of 310 units, about 8580, four 85% 00:39:25
our studio apartment. So these are very, very unique from our other buildings. Uh, you know, we're, we're trying to create a large 00:39:34
variety of unit types. These are gonna be these two buildings, A13B and 18. 00:39:44
He will be heavily studio UM. 00:39:54
You want to talk more about that a little bit of the context is with these buildings, with what we're doing at Utah City, we kind 00:39:59
of have a different opportunity to most developers do and and most developers develop one block and they've got to blend unit 00:40:06
types and residents offerings in one building. So with with the number of buildings that we have, we're utilizing these two 00:40:13
buildings to focus purely into one demographic. 00:40:20
Demographic group and that's really young professional student and some offerings of that nature to, uh, subscribe to UDU and, and 00:40:28
then the young professionals helping uh, people find housing in Utah City. But then as they've been there, they can then migrate 00:40:36
to one of the other buildings and so on and so forth. So the concept of offering these studios is not just, hey, to, to push up 00:40:43
account or to, to do some of these. 00:40:51
Things we're trying to make sure we're, we're preparing who we subscribe to and who has the ability, uh, to rent here and then to, 00:40:58
uh, with that as well. You'll see, uh, in these buildings, the offering of amenities and the other things. Yes, the overall unit 00:41:06
is a little bit smaller than some of the other buildings, but there is, there is a great deal of augmented living space throughout 00:41:13
the buildings. There's space on every floor in each of these buildings that is purely for the residents. 00:41:20
There are amenities that are purely for the residents and then there are other amenities that are those this year amenities we're 00:41:28
talking about. So it's still a high level of living experience, uh, planned in these buildings. 00:41:34
Yeah. So like some of these amenities that that you're seeing in here are, you know, targeted for that demographic that DJ 00:41:44
described. Yeah. 00:41:48
Here you can see how they're they're related they're supposed to sale running up kind of on the eastern side. And if we know 00:41:55
through AT&T and keep going north Dover Street comes between these buildings and then there's something really unique happening on 00:42:02
Dover Street that we're still working through how exactly we plot this and how we work through this but. 00:42:08
I'm just gonna point it out here and then you'll see it in that elevation. So here we are in the elevation. So there's a skybridge 00:42:16
that connects these two buildings. There's amenities spaces in both buildings that at skybridge is connecting. Umm, and then there 00:42:23
is also in the code, there's an entrance type called an arcade where you've got umm, the sidewalk goes underneath the building and 00:42:29
there's columns kind of marching down. 00:42:36
The link like if you're looking from here. 00:42:44
And, and where the arcade ends, it's about 65 feet. And then the sky bridge is, I don't know how wide that is, like 12 feet or 00:42:47
something, 10 to 12 feet up above. 00:42:52
Within our 65 feet. So we're working out how exactly we we flat this, what public, what's private. 00:42:58
Where the easements are running through here like utility easements. And so just know that we're working through that. We don't 00:43:08
have all the answers right now. This is providing a totally unique experience on Dover Street and any other street that we. 00:43:15
Put together so far and part of the reason it's situated like this and actually on these specific blocks is it's pulled out 00:43:24
further from the building on the right. You see in the darker portion of the building that's a district wide like large club room 00:43:31
with game room space and some things. But on the left it's a resident only smaller version of that. So subscribe to both, but the 00:43:38
context of why they're sitting on Dover right there. 00:43:45
We looked at numerous blocks, had them. 00:43:52
Just mapped out what was planned for all those different blocks in this location, uh, for the long foreseeable future, if not the, 00:43:55
uh, the life of Utah City, you'll maintain great mountain views, great lake views and things like that. So we're trying to be just 00:44:03
very mindful as well, not just to stamp a, we put one nice thing in this building or something, but how do we make it the best 00:44:10
that it can be on Utah City? So that's why those are like that and pulled. 00:44:18
Little bit further. 00:44:25
Cool. 00:44:28
Can you talk about the, uh, I guess in the next slide down, uh, kind of pull it out through the building? 00:44:30
Oh, that's the cross section of the bridge. Oh yeah, got on it. It won't actually be a whole. Yeah. Yeah. Like, like open. I've 00:44:41
got a question. Yeah. OK. And these amenities sound great. You mentioned these one bedroom studio apartments, kind of a unique 00:44:49
offering that way. 00:44:57
Uh, what can you say about build quality, particularly finishes? Are these gonna be geared? Maybe Anything new is nice, but, uh. 00:45:05
Are they gonna be? 00:45:18
Basic, uh, for lack of a better word? Or are they gonna be quite, uh, premium and, and, and a more expensive offering? 00:45:21
Question. No, I think everything we're building will be what? 00:45:33
What I call I've, I've done, I've been in architecture for over 25 years. What we would call this is market rate. I mean, it's, 00:45:38
it's what is delivered in the market. So, umm, we are trying to build and design and build in a way that is, it's affordable to 00:45:45
residents. But at the same time, residents have expectations of what it is. So, and, and so they'll be granite countertops and, 00:45:53
and stainless steel appliances and all those things that. 00:46:00
Look, you know, it's, it's an incredible living environment, but at the same time, those materials don't cost what they used to 00:46:08
cost and, and, and things like that. So, and we do cut back in other areas. So there are certain things due to the size of those 00:46:15
units that we get efficiencies there. But it's going to be a A Class A product and but it again, part of it's square footage and 00:46:22
that's what makes it affordable as well. 00:46:29
You know the smaller unit type. How many square feet about are these units? How many square feet are the units? I can tell you 00:46:37
real quick. 00:46:42
Look actually cash if you go down to Slide 71. 00:46:48
There's a breakdown of SO agency and 13 B, Yeah. 00:46:57
And and we say they're predominantly studios, but a lot of those studios have what's called a nested bedroom. So it doesn't, it's 00:47:02
not right on a window, the bedroom is, but the walls open up and things like that. Natural light comes into those rooms, which is 00:47:10
very common and very high end product of that. So my point to that is it's not, I think at least IA lot of times think when you 00:47:17
say studio, you think just that one big open space, but there is a lot of. 00:47:25
I mean, they have nice closets, Some have bedrooms, some have inboard bedrooms. I mean, they're they're set up to be have a lot of 00:47:33
different offerings. Yeah. So like what you're seeing on this table, these are. 00:47:40
These are the basically the building blocks. These are the unit sizes across AT&T and 13 others. There's 12 unit types. Basically, 00:47:48
there's several different layouts of studios. There's three layouts of one bedroom. 00:47:56
And then is that two of them? Yeah. I mean, we go from. 00:48:06
Like 480 is our smaller, 480 square foot is our smallest, but we go up to 1200 square feet. 00:48:11
There's just not as many of those 1200, but there's 700, yeah, there's a 720 Studio and then 471 Studio 900. So everybody, you 00:48:19
know, when they, they come, they'll, they'll pick where they wanna be. They'll pick based on the layout, based on the pricing. 00:48:25
Umm. 00:48:31
The the consumer is very savvy when it comes to this, and they'll figure out exactly which one yeah, yeah. And which one they 00:48:40
like. So. 00:48:45
Does that answer your question, Graydon? Yeah. 00:48:50
I'm supposed to use. 00:48:54
And a little color to the the overall 2 buildings, we tried to make them cohesive, but at the same time different, different and 00:49:00
even under the building in and of itself, try to make the building feel like it's multiple buildings in a very genuine way. 00:49:09
To where it's not like you just change correct colors from one piece to another, very different architecture and and we with the 00:49:19
way these face 2nd Ave. 00:49:24
And the 18A13A, what is our parking lot? The backside of these buildings are going to be facing Vineyard Connector for a long 00:49:29
time. So put a lot of effort into making sure that we forgot, you know, we present a very good phase of any connector as well. 00:49:39
That's something that we can have talked about a lot is there. We're having a real challenge. There is really no back of house on 00:49:49
these buildings because every single size is very visible. So it's like trying to figure out where we're putting trash, where 00:49:55
we're putting electrical equipment and mechanical and everything. It's a challenge because we want every single thought to be 00:50:01
amazing. 00:50:07
So that's, that's also true on the grocery store. You know what we showed you are two amazing facades and the two kind of blank 00:50:15
sides, we're covering those. So you don't have a typical grocery store, you usually have 3 blank sized. They have the main one 00:50:22
where you park out in front, go in and then the other sites are just walls both in this urban condition we and where we're 00:50:28
promoting walkability. 00:50:35
We really can't have any blank calls even on our parking structures. We're we're planning liner buildings that you don't see just 00:50:42
deploying. 00:50:46
Wow, cool. And one last piece that I would say even to our Paseos, it would be very easy to phone it in and make it as basic as 00:50:50
can be with no detail. We're trying to continue to prevent present, sorry. 00:50:58
A good, you know, foot forward. 00:51:08
Everywhere. 00:51:09
So these, these slides are kind of, you're seeing the landscape kind of, uh, framework here is the, the green is obviously the 00:51:12
landscaping and softcape and the tan and the hardscape, the pavers, the concrete. Here's some looks inside the courtyard. This is, 00:51:18
this is the South building 13B. 00:51:25
Everyone's 18 feet. This one's got. Yeah, they're rendering here. You know, just the little water feature inside this courtyard 00:51:35
that's kind of the steps condition where you can people can fit and enjoy the space and there's cascading water coming through. 00:51:43
Barbecue. 00:51:53
Like kind of more intimate private seating areas umm, so you know you can have a breakout of a smaller group and feel like you've 00:51:54
got your own space in the overall larger courtyard sorry soon as 13B1 would be gated by the 13th or the 18th C1 would be open to 00:52:01
right with the sales coming through. There may be some components of that there like kind of spent like maybe a little fence that 00:52:08
you can see through, but. 00:52:15
OK. 00:52:23
I did see in one of the renderings, uh. 00:52:25
That Beehive Cafe, I assume this is another one of the potentially in the future be something. It's just, yeah, maybe go to umm, 00:52:28
there is like a little Bodega Market cafe, a commercial space that's like a third party vendor would come in and run something. 00:52:38
Umm, here, let me see on my iPad, yes and then. 00:52:50
You can see. 00:52:56
So if you go to like the landscape rendering caches on on 563. 00:53:00
All right. There's one you're just on, I think. Yeah. 00:53:07
After the elevation. 00:53:17
Oh yeah, right. Go up 1.0. 00:53:20
Yeah, no, it's 818. I think 76 go to 76. 00:53:25
A viewer on it, sorry. 00:53:30
The next one up? 00:53:35
Oh, sorry, I'm looking at the plans. 00:53:38
Sorry. 00:53:47
Got it. So yeah, it's, uh, that, that market, yeah, it's right there still in the, in this image, the right building, uh, the 00:53:51
bottom of the bar, uh, across the state up from where the hand is. 00:53:59
OK, basically that, that area we're, uh, we're doing a bodega and cafe, which is intended, umm, to basically be those smaller 00:54:07
things that Red didn't want, like a quick something to be something to drink or snacks and all those things or get home from work 00:54:14
late at night. And whether it's like an honor mark or something like that, whatever technology we necessarily use there, we're 00:54:20
debating. 00:54:26
But it's it's something that residents could come in and pick up things real quick without having to go over to Bella's or 00:54:34
something like that. 00:54:37
Cool. 00:54:41
Cool. 00:54:44
Do you guys have any questions? 00:54:46
Yeah, I think it looks great. Do you have anything? Are you real quick? 00:54:50
This thing is sitting up here, really. 00:54:58
Umm, I think the marketing connector. 00:55:04
Because you got. 00:55:12
So we hope not. I hope not and. 00:55:20
We, I've built MO uh, apartment buildings right on legitimate 5 lane highways before. And there are ways to build walls. There are 00:55:29
windows that, uh, can be purchased and things like that committee and all those things. I don't think that's our situation here, 00:55:36
but we're, we're still on AT and CV13B and 13C. So we're still a good ways away from Vineyard connectors. And in the future we're 00:55:44
planning partly structures, parking structures. 00:55:51
18 A ATD 13A13D that will have residents facing back to the east. OK, so there will be a sound wall. That's not a sound wall that 00:55:59
will mitigate that. 00:56:06
Absolutely not. You're working work at night and more sleep during the day. No, it's 539 please. 00:56:16
Yeah. 00:56:27
The one where they're all white? Oh yeah. 00:56:35
Those are the interiors of the courtyard. 00:56:40
Well, it's. 00:56:44
Was it like a 3D image? Is it? Is it this one? 00:56:47
Just trying to think of. 00:56:51
Yeah, that one, it was the one where it was the maker. Yeah, There you go. 00:56:55
That looks to me like a Russian. A Russian donut, a somo somo. 00:57:03
Hello. 00:57:10
Uh-huh. 00:57:14
Bars like Prison So Juliet Balcony. Yeah, they are. 00:57:18
How's visible? 00:57:31
We had a a long debate on those juliets, so they are the function of those. Is those doors still open so you get the error coming 00:57:34
in. 00:57:39
But you don't, you can't step out right because it's it's a couple of inches. 00:57:44
Do you know where to call out? Well, they're, they're high enough so people that there's a guardrail there just as much as if it 00:57:51
was a patio. I mean that it's an alternative. It's the same railings that we have on the balcony. It's it's of the same, it's a 00:57:57
required code height that they are, they're required by code to have certain lateral cords. So we can't pull them off the wall for 00:58:03
those reasons and. 00:58:09
Then he's just like, but it's a little bit, but it's a little skewed too, as Bronson had said, because of like the trees that are 00:58:16
shaded out and things like this. These courtyards have a lot of trees in them that Patel has a lot of trees. And sometimes what 00:58:21
happens when you land tape on that heavy. 00:58:26
They get very dark. So the so if we were to show that you, you wouldn't, you actually wouldn't see this as thought. 00:58:32
So we scale, we mapped out the trees. You can still see the three shapes, but it's it's making us the top of the cough that helps 00:58:38
seize all the kind of greenery right there. But the intention is that two things, and I'm not trying to say your point is not well 00:58:45
taken, is trying to keep those colors light, keep the courtyard with well, brighter and brighter because the lid can get very 00:58:52
dark, especially with the trees. 00:58:59
And all the shades. But you'll never ever see this image in real life. 00:59:06
BJ calls these architectural views that only the architect and you guys are seeing. Residents would never necessarily deceive the 00:59:12
building like this. 00:59:16
Do you have any other questions for you? 00:59:23
All right. Thanks. 00:59:27
Cool uh any other questions uh no looks great yeah I think things look great. I love how this is coming together honestly umm the 00:59:30
potatoes and how we can fit together and the just the amount of different options there are as far as bedrooms and not just like 00:59:37
studio one to three bedrooms, but that they're all they're multiples of each one. I think that's priced umm. I think it's 00:59:43
something that residents. 00:59:49
And future residents will benefit from. So thank you guys so much. I, I do have one quick question. There's something I don't 00:59:56
think we brought up in our comments before that that Patrick wanted me to ask is with, with like on AT&T where you do have that 01:00:02
bodega shop or something that is more open to residents outside of new custody development? Umm, you have some street parking here 01:00:09
is, is the plan for that to, you know, have a one hour limit? 01:00:15
You know, what have you talked about kind of how you program that street to make sure that when Patrick wants to run and get a 01:00:21
Slurpee, there's a good parking platform? Yeah. I would imagine there would be some kind of time limit during the day for for that 01:00:29
year so that, you know, we can keep things turning over. And no, no, residents just parked their car. 01:00:37
Yeah, well, and that brings up, uh, what Jordan's comment was earlier about bike parking, I think. 01:00:44
I would love to see bike parking throughout this, both for residents and for non utacity residents who are down there visiting. 01:00:51
Because I think for me who live on the southern part of the city, if I wanna go up there, like like when I go to the park or when 01:00:58
I go somewhere within the new city of the West, it's way more convenient for me to ride a bike there than to drive and find 01:01:05
parking. And so I think there's gonna be a lot of people as this gets built out and programs more heavily. 01:01:12
A lot of people from the southern part of the city will drive, will bike or scooter or. 01:01:19
Walk even to the north, and so if there's places to park their bikes, I think that would alleviate a lot of the concern for car 01:01:24
parking. They use things like that. So to answer your I mean this as far as the residential unis go in 18 C there are two 01:01:32
different bike areas. I thought the bike plan I I put on the agenda kinda showed more detail, but right here there's a a giant 01:01:39
kind of bike storage like locker room, umm and then in this corner down. 01:01:47
Here or is it 13 that has the bike shop? It's 13. So down here you have a kind of a workshop area where you need to change your 01:01:54
flat tire. There's, you know, tools and you know, so these these blocks do include 4. But you're right that that as far as 01:02:03
visitors go, the sites don't really acknowledge that as much as they do for residents of development. 01:02:11
And and, and in a broader context to kind of expound on that, that we're looking at pedestrians by. 01:02:20
Uh, but we're also trying, we, we're working with the fire Marshall, but not only their truck access, but if they have ambulance 01:02:27
where, you know, good staging areas. We're, we're trying to like, where did deliveries come? How do we handle that? How stressed? 01:02:34
So we're, we're really, I think it's a valid point where you're saying, but we're trying to find all those right places and blend 01:02:40
all that together, umm, on each of these blocks. Yeah. I was just talking to our consultant team on September through 18 T or 13. 01:02:47
The UMM but there I think there's like 16 bike racks located on one of those buildings. 01:02:54
I would imagine that the other building has about the same and I'm just looking at these enough. I don't think we've cited those 01:03:02
by friendships, but when we come back in, we'll make sure we point those out and you can call them out. Cool. 01:03:09
Thanks, Kayden. All right. Thank you guys so much. Yeah, thank you. Looks great. Yeah, I did see it back here. 01:03:16
Yeah, uh, a little bit more on the kind of approval for these next projects, uh, 13 CI believe the 13 C is platted, umm, just 01:03:25
fine. So there's no issues with that going forward. Umm, I think there might have been some uh, comments about the elevation. Uh, 01:03:32
the, the downtown code, umm, has a pretty strict transparency requirement for ground floor that if a, a building is facing a 01:03:39
street and has to have at least 35% umm, transparency material like the glass. And I think there might have been a few. 01:03:47
Umm, because we do have to get those platting umm issues worked out as well as uh on those 13 and 18. There were also some 01:04:25
transparency issues that that we need to resolve with them. Umm, so so we just wanted to bring them early so you guys to get a 01:04:33
good view on and get some comments and thank you guys yeah all right moving on to item 6.4, the Vengeance Fire station #35. 01:04:41
OK. 01:04:50
Great. So yeah, this is another work session item. 01:04:53
Umm, this is for the fire station that's going to be located over in the Cottonwood neighborhood. Umm, we finally have received 01:04:56
all the, the drawings, umm, from the, the builder. Umm, So this is, I believe the Princeton plan that you might see in that 01:05:02
neighborhood. Umm, it has a three car garage associated with it as well as a detached garage, umm, that we just got the running 01:05:08
rates today on. Otherwise this would have been a business item for approval, but we didn't have those renderings, uh, or the, the 01:05:13
elevations for those garages yet. 01:05:19
So I won't bore you with too many of the details. Uh, one thing the these elevations don't show, umm, and, and I could be wrong on 01:05:25
this. We'll, we'll try to clarify in two weeks. But I believe that the City Council did approve funding to do kind of a 01:05:31
foresighted architecture build, umm, where it will have the, the brick wrapping the whole house rather than just kind of the front 01:05:37
of the spot and then stuck on the rears in the same view or anything on that. 01:05:43
So for product that they did brick. 01:05:51
Excellent. 01:05:56
To answer cash question. 01:06:00
Around the whole facility to kind of reflect a red fire station. 01:06:07
What is the size of the detached garage? Let me, I can pull that up to show you guys in just a second. Umm, it, it essentially 01:06:16
it's, it's, it's a single car garage. It's a little larger umm, but it's a longer umm, and I and, and in two weeks we'll also try 01:06:23
to get somebody from ornfire here to maybe give you a little bit more umm, details on how they plan on using the site. Umm, you 01:06:30
know, when an emergency arises, you know what vehicle they're gonna be leaving, what garages and whatnot Umm, but I, I believe. 01:06:38
They'll be parking their fire apparatus in that detached garage and possibly the ambulance there as well. Umm, anchorage of the 01:06:45
fire station, House of the lot or the house, The land? The land. Let me see if this shows that I can find out in just one second 01:06:51
for you. 01:06:57
So. 01:07:07
OK, so it's on, uh, it was two walks that we consolidated on, uh, to one lot, umm, one lot. 01:07:17
Of one point or .169. 01:07:30
There we go, .289 acres for the entire lot. 01:07:35
2nd. 01:07:40
And we have a lot number or address. 01:07:42
Uh yeah, uh, it's a lot. 6545 umm, does it have a dentist address on there? 01:07:49
Yeah, we, we, we should have that information. So one thing to note that the house does face 80th South. Umm, so in that 01:08:01
neighborhood, most of the houses are facing. 01:08:06
Cake you would I don't know how to pronounce that yeah it's new it's something cakey would umm this house does not take any Kiki 01:08:12
would Kiki one OK, Kiki 1 umm it it doesn't say that street umm and they did that so that the fire trucks won't have to be kind of 01:08:18
rounding that corner. They can go immediately on the 80 S and then right on the 300 W hopefully improving the the response time as 01:08:24
well the overall safety for the site. 01:08:30
Umm. 01:08:37
Oh, the address, it looks like it's 226 W 80th South. 01:08:40
To provide that for them umm, it does have a sidewalk umm for ADA access off of Kiki Wood umm, right here. That then leads up to a 01:09:15
door and automatic door right here that is also ADA accessible umm. 01:09:22
Let me, I can pull up that garage if you want to see that. And we, we did have some comments about parking earlier. Umm, and and 01:09:32
that's something I would also probably defer to the arm fire to kind of talk about umm because I'm not exactly sure their their 01:09:39
usage on the garages. If you know if firefighters are, are going to be parking in the garage and driveway or not. But the city did 01:09:46
umm put in some parking, umm, off of 300 W just directly to the West of this Umm. 01:09:53
The idea was was to provide parking for the fire house, but also for, umm, trail access. Fortunately, we haven't seen a lot of 01:10:00
usage. Yeah, that's fine. 01:10:05
Side that that's happening umm and so we've been working with our public works and engineering team on on what we could do to do 01:11:11
that and so it sounds like beacons that that can be installed that when the fire truck is coming out those beacons can flash kind 01:11:18
of let people know umm and same thing we can talk to Orem fire when when they come in two weeks about uh people were concerned 01:11:24
about like sirens with the lights going on umm in the middle of the night and and they. 01:11:31
They're very aware of their surroundings as firefighters and they know that you know, if if it's 2:00 AM. 01:11:38
They, they don't necessarily need to put their, their license firings on and wake everybody up when there's no traffic. Umm, do 01:11:44
you have anything to add about the safety plan that, that we're working on or Patrick Cash? I've got a question about the safety 01:11:51
beacon. As you mentioned. Would they be at the neighborhood entrance and exit near the fire stop signs throughout the 01:11:57
neighborhood? 01:12:04
They they would just be on either side of the the driveway for the fire station. 01:12:12
Umm, same thing each direction. So when somebody's driving up to the fire station, they'll see the flashers. That's the plan right 01:12:17
now. And then, and then we'll probably also have some, uh, tapes and embarking just to keep that area clear so fire trucks can 01:12:23
pull out of there safely. 01:12:30
One other thing on the site I I still mentioned is on the corner right here, we are going to be putting in a monument signed umm, 01:12:39
that just says, you know, Veneer fire station #35 or whatever. Umm, that'll just look really nice to, to the neighborhood. 01:12:46
Uh, is the curbing gonna be the same as the rest of the neighborhood? Are they gonna have something more flat? 01:12:54
OK, interesting. All right. 01:13:01
Oh, uh, let me pull up the garage real quick. 01:13:06
That curve is already a it's already installed, but already my mind is like, it's a drivable curve. Yeah. So like almost 45 years, 01:13:09
you're like something like that. I was just wondering if they were gonna want something more. 01:13:19
Flat, but I'm sure for buyers, the curve in the first year, we can probably look at making that change like fire apparatus. That's 01:13:29
one thing that they always seem to care about Spotify, trucks, the fire app or app. 01:13:36
OK, let me. 01:13:46
Yeah, I mean, this is not, this is a girl. It's a pretty basic rendering here. 01:13:49
So it looks like the the height of the garage itself. I and honestly, I haven't given this a review. That's why we're not doing a 01:13:55
business item tonight because we haven't had this umm, but it is. It looks to be a little bit taller of a garage door. The entire 01:14:00
structures just over 24 feet. 01:14:05
And then it looks like it's 50 feet long. 01:14:14
No public, yeah. Uh, so we're, we're considering detached garage and like an accessory structure. And then our code does permit 01:14:27
for umm, public buildings to go beyond the, the height limit of, of accessory structures if needed. OK. 01:14:34
Without, without extending the set back, I guess, uh, it does actually, you are right. It does say, I think, and, and once again, 01:14:43
I haven't had the chance to give this the, the official review, but it does actually require, I believe, uh, for every foot over 01:14:48
the limit has to be a foot away, foot away. I'll, I'll, I'll double check that one and we'll make sure we have an answer on that. 01:14:54
OK. 01:14:59
Looks like it's not that it's not a concern to me, but it looks like it's like a 24 feet tall. It doesn't look like it's. 01:15:07
Oh, that might be 12 feet away. Yeah, I I'll, I'll look into it and have an answer. OK, cool. 01:15:17
Question about. 01:15:24
We've estimated frequency of. 01:15:27
Calls. Yeah, I can. You know, I might have to do this research or maybe you've heard, but I used to live near a fire station in 01:15:33
Provo and it wasn't a big deal. It seemed like I saw, I heard fire truck pull out maybe every other day. 01:15:43
Umm, what do you guys anticipate? What could we tell neighbors, uh, that they should expect? 01:15:55
Umm, let me see if I can pull up. OK, I I actually just got the response. Umm, oh, they didn't give me the numbers, I don't think. 01:16:02
So they, I was reaching out to on fire for their response time. Umm, just to give a little background, umm, the national standard 01:16:12
what, what has been set, I don't know by what organization, umm is about 5 minutes and I wanna say 30 seconds, umm, for response. 01:16:20
And we are currently at this year's 6 minutes and 23 seconds. So we're quite a bit above that. 01:16:28
But the study that was done by CRSA shows a fire station built in this area would be able to hit an under 4 minute response time 01:16:36
for most of the city. Umm, but yeah, I, I thought I had the, the numbers from on fire, but I don't seem to be by chance. No, the 01:16:43
umm, number of incidents that they respond to. We'll, we'll get that in two weeks as well, yeah. 01:16:50
Cool. Any other questions? No. 01:17:02
All right, umm, cool. Yeah, excited to see anything in two weeks. I just want to add 1 one more thing. So in two weeks we'll be 01:17:08
presenting this as well as a conditional use permit approval because, umm, that that land use currently does not. Yeah, yeah, 01:17:14
permitted out. So we need a conditional use permit. So. OK, so if I heads up for you. Cool, cool. Sounds good. All right, moving 01:17:21
on to staff Commission and committee reports. 01:17:28
So is that what you think? 01:17:35
So, umm. 01:17:54
Earlier this week we we probably have mentioned to you before the TAG grant that we have received which is $129,000 to pretty much 01:17:56
redesign Mill Road and also put together a way finding master plan for the entire city. So. 01:18:06
We set an RFP out which was posted on Monday. 01:18:18
Earlier next week, yeah. So we met with consultants that are interested and we're hoping to have umm, proposal, uh, submitted for 01:18:24
selection and we will, umm, be keeping you up to date on that. The term Bicycle Advisory Commission will be very active with this 01:18:32
project because it really impacts on the active transportation of the city. 01:18:40
And the same reminders and the theme reminded me that, uh, we had a phenomenal. 01:18:55
Trail umm repavement done thanks to our great engineering and public works team. Umm, let me see if that popped up here. I don't 01:18:59
know if you guys have seen it yet. Umm, I have seen. Have you written on it yet? No, that's true. Have you driven on it? No, but I 01:19:07
was surprised when I saw how big it was. Trail is kind of a rebuild of that trail that was right behind the locks in Tucker Row. 01:19:14
Umm very, very wide. Umm, really beautiful. Umm, it connects. 01:19:21
Uh, to this parking area is part of Pepper Row. Umm, I believe they, they had to do that for maintenance like a vac truck who can 01:19:29
maintain the trail. They wanted to have easy access. Umm, and then it connects back under to the, the front runner station. Umm, 01:19:36
and I, I believe this year we're also hopefully gonna start on the Tupperware pocket park design right here as well. Umm, really 01:19:43
kinda revamp this. This area is kind of a great gateway or projects into vineyards. 01:19:50
Sidewalks coming soon to connect uh, main. 01:19:58
To well-being overtime, right? Mill Rd. yeah, yeah. So that, that's another good thing we've I've been meeting with you dot about 01:20:04
that, uh, trail grant that we got from the state. I forgot Utah trail network where they gave the city, I wanna say $5,000,000 to 01:20:11
do a trail all the way from the freeway and Orem all the way down to the lake. So we're, we're kind of waiting on the Utah Trail 01:20:19
network. They've they're working on their standards. They want to make sure that. 01:20:26
Retail they build for the state kind of fits within a certain model of width and material and whatnot. We'll definitely on the 01:20:34
north side of it'll be on the South side. So the idea here is is it'll continue up right next to the curve on on video connector. 01:20:41
Umm, it'll meet up with the the switch back here. Umm, and then it'll just connect into the sidewalk on the connector. Umm, they 01:20:48
can't widen that. Unfortunately, they they'd have to go through Union Pacific to do that and that'll ever happen. 01:20:55
Umm. 01:21:03
And then it'll continue on just right here on the South side of of the connector. And it'll just end with the freeway like, you 01:21:04
know, when you ride your bike to the freeway. Yeah. And, and then, yeah, as as far as as far as the how it'll connect up to the 01:21:10
freeway, I have no idea. 01:21:15
Umm yeah, but but it'll be great often times I, I see a lot of people walking or biking, umm, this section of the new connector 01:21:22
and, and somebody who does it myself, it's it's horrifying yeah umm and the roads are not always in the best condition and it'll 01:21:28
be great to have that that yeah, so and they. 01:21:34
I want to say they probably will start construction next year. I've heard them say that umm. 01:21:42
Yeah, the yeah, the you talked to our network considers our project. So already we're very low barriers. They can get started on 01:21:49
it soon. So I think they'll they'll start once they have the standards, they'll start on the design and then get moving on it. 01:21:53
Cool. 01:21:57
Well, I think that's it from staff. 01:22:02
Do you have anything? No, no, anything from the Commission? 01:22:07
No, All right, if that's everything looks like it is, then. 01:22:13
The same thing. 01:22:19
So they seem to go for the worst record. 01:22:25
Uh, uh, cash, I was, uh, kinda whe when, uh, uh, talking about the job network and, uh, so that's and still work. One thing that I 01:22:30
just want to mention, uh, this goes towards production safety and so forth. Uh, the other workstreet team, uh, installed, uh, a 01:22:36
new, uh, no turn on right sign on Main Street. Yeah, on Main Street and 400 N by the, umm, Freedom elementary school. Yeah, there 01:22:43
we go. OK. 01:22:49
Uh, so which, uh, which I'll go to go towards enhancing safety for uh. 01:22:57
School children specifically, as well as crossing guards, uh, current, uh, currently Utah State laws, uh, a car may make a travel 01:23:03
movement, journey movement as long as discussion is outside. So like their lane of travel. So in essence, it's lane session across 01:23:10
the task, the reliance half the half the street, like hard to make it, uh, move my tower with, with all the kids that they're out 01:23:18
there in the drive, uh, crossing Dr. that's been causing some, uh, that's, that causes. 01:23:25
We'll keep close call conflict. 01:23:33
So we installed it, we installed that sign on the street as well. So tomorrow, umm, excuse me, tomorrow they'll be doing a, uh, 01:23:35
citywide testing of the traffic, you know, actually doing that traffic signals. But, uh, school flashers, uh, went to include the 01:23:44
new school flashers that we received the last week of school last year for Vinod Elementary. So we have an upgrade for that. 01:23:52
Uh, and we saw the upgrades, so we're happy to have those in our system, so. 01:24:01
Yeah. 01:24:07
Uh, reduce the burden that that a lot of people are are facing right now. So. 01:24:41
All right. I just want to let the public know they're listening to this meeting. Yeah, but they will be. We'll probably start 01:24:46
selling the permits, I'd imagine sometime next week. Cool. So. 01:24:51