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| August 7th and it is 6:03 PM. We'll get right into things. I agree, and also it's gonna give us an implication and eligible | 00:00:00 | |
| regions. | 00:00:04 | |
| How are dear Father in heaven? | 00:00:18 | |
| We are grateful to be able to. | 00:00:20 | |
| Gather together and to discuss. | 00:00:24 | |
| The city affairs, we're grateful to be here in Vineyard. | 00:00:28 | |
| We're grateful for our freedoms, the ability to plan and prepare and discuss. We pray for the Holy Spirit to be with us. | 00:00:32 | |
| As we go throughout this meeting. | 00:00:43 | |
| Please guide us. | 00:00:46 | |
| These things we pray for in the name of Jesus Christ and. | 00:00:49 | |
| Understand. | 00:00:55 | |
| I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, | 00:00:59 | |
| indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. | 00:01:06 | |
| Louder than normal. | 00:01:18 | |
| Alright, we'll move right into public comments. Do you have any public comments? Comments state your name and do you have any? | 00:01:20 | |
| Sorry, you got anything today? No. | 00:01:25 | |
| OK, David, is that anything all right? Hey, uh, we'll move right into the consent items. Did you guys have a chance to look over | 00:01:31 | |
| the, uh, Planning Commission meeting minutes? | 00:01:36 | |
| You, you weren't in either of those meetings, I don't think, Brandon, did you have a chance to look at those? | 00:01:43 | |
| Uh, that yeah. Minutes. | 00:01:50 | |
| No, no. Do you want to push those off to get those approved then? | 00:01:53 | |
| Yeah, we'll do that. Uh, I'll make a motion to move the consent items to the next meeting. Is that alright? Alright. During the | 00:02:01 | |
| second. | 00:02:05 | |
| Second, all in favor, all right, moving into the work session, uh 6.3 Utah city block 413 and 18 in the site work site plan work | 00:02:09 | |
| session. OK, We, uh, do have our applicants here. Umm, these, these are quite a few umm, different projects going on and these | 00:02:16 | |
| have to be development. Umm, and we just have one kind of big slide show here that we're gonna run through umm and they're just | 00:02:24 | |
| sticking through your comments. Uh, staff has done our kind of initial review on all these and. | 00:02:31 | |
| Umm for the most part, they they are compliant with the code. There are a few comments that that we're still working through on on | 00:02:39 | |
| some elevations and some functionality of the spaces, but overall that they are looking pretty good. So I'll let uh take it away | 00:02:45 | |
| from here perfect How's it going? Hey thanks for having us here Bronson captain uh with flagboro BJ lavender also with flagborough | 00:02:52 | |
| umm. | 00:02:58 | |
| Yeah, we're excited to be going over all this stuff. There's quite a few things to to go through. There's four different site plan | 00:03:04 | |
| applications in UMM. | 00:03:08 | |
| And we'll just kind of go through them in that order, SO4D cash if you want to Scroll down. | 00:03:14 | |
| Yeah, it was kind of the context map. So the, the areas in yellow, orange, those are those site plans have been approved and | 00:03:22 | |
| they're, they're under construction in one form or another. Umm, 5 and 6 are the ones down by 4D. So you're seeing those being | 00:03:31 | |
| framed right now. And then the ones up by across the street from 1310 to 13, those are blocks 14 and 8. | 00:03:40 | |
| And 14 is starting putting in foundation. Mm-hmm. | 00:03:50 | |
| And then eight, I don't know if it'd be 30 days for permanent building. Permanent. | 00:03:54 | |
| Umm, so yeah, 4D let's jump into that. That is, uh, the bellows market, the grocery store site plan. So it's that overall block, | 00:04:04 | |
| Block sport is uh, about 3 1/2 acres. This is just like 1/4 of that overall full block floor. So This is why we call it 4D. | 00:04:12 | |
| There's ABCD. So this is just kind of 1/4 of that. | 00:04:21 | |
| So, uh, we're anticipating the grocery store to be about 43,000 square feet over that, and then there's a little retail corner | 00:04:30 | |
| that will show you if it's about 2600 square feet. | 00:04:35 | |
| There is on two sides of the grocery store, there will be a residential route so that you don't see kind of the employing walls of | 00:04:41 | |
| the grocery store, but that we're still working on those plans and we'll bring those in. We'll kind of point out where those are | 00:04:45 | |
| at in the future. | 00:04:50 | |
| Umm, and then go back up one more or back to that first slide. Oh, and then the amenities will also be associated with the the | 00:04:57 | |
| residential building that goes later. | 00:05:02 | |
| So the grocery store is the orange, uh, the large orange block. And then just to the left is kind of the, the loading area and | 00:05:08 | |
| umm, like refrigeration and kind of just loading unloading area. And then up to the north, like the, the top right of the larger | 00:05:16 | |
| orange piece that's a retail corner. And then the blue, pink and yellow around. That's the future residential route. And you can | 00:05:23 | |
| kind of see. | 00:05:30 | |
| In a 3D, the grocery store is one story and then the yellow residential wrap, we don't know if it will look exactly like that. | 00:05:38 | |
| We're still working through that, but just conceptually, that's kind of how that looks. | 00:05:44 | |
| Yeah, that's just kind of the same. That's an initial layout. Umm. | 00:05:55 | |
| You know exactly like that, but that's you're seeing the aisles in there. So the main entrance is that red arrow just above your | 00:06:01 | |
| hand there cash. Yep, that's the main entrance. There's a temporary surface parking lot out in the front where you know you can | 00:06:09 | |
| park, walk in through those doors and then you would have kind of your produce and and stuff on the right and like your deli and. | 00:06:17 | |
| Things over there on the right, and then as you kind of come around, you see the aisles. | 00:06:26 | |
| Stacked in there and then the cash registers are just to the right as they have there. Yep. And then we are looking at a pharmacy | 00:06:32 | |
| on the South end there. | 00:06:36 | |
| So that's just kind of a general layout. This is the civil site plan. So that's the parking lot out front. | 00:06:42 | |
| Kind of 1/2 spray area like the little dot. Uh, when eventually in a future phase, we'll, we'll bring a parking structure in and | 00:06:49 | |
| wrap that parking structure in the surface parking lot. And this area in front of the grocery store will be one of the potatoes | 00:06:56 | |
| that you've seen in our other type plans. And then there's also a Paseo on the north side of the grocery store that connects out | 00:07:02 | |
| to Block 5. | 00:07:09 | |
| And then these are, uh, just kind of a black and white elevation. | 00:07:18 | |
| The 3D ones are a little bit more interesting when we get there. There you go. | 00:07:25 | |
| So here you can see the front of the grocery store, the parking out front, the the main entrance into the grocery store, and then | 00:07:30 | |
| the future residential back behind and on on the backside and on the north side kind of widened out. | 00:07:37 | |
| So this is for planning for the main entrance in and. | 00:07:48 | |
| In the overall frontage, what it looks like, the landscaping isn't like totally fully thought out in these renderings. This is | 00:07:53 | |
| more of the architectural renderings than the landscape renderings, but we'll get into landscaping. Bronson, I do have a quick | 00:07:59 | |
| question actually, because you mentioned how eventually looking at the site plan here, umm, you said the front, the east side will | 00:08:05 | |
| become a paseo. Mm-hmm. And doing that, it'll kind of block off that front entrance in terms of the elevation, like it won't be as | 00:08:11 | |
| prominent. | 00:08:17 | |
| Entrance has there been any thought on doing something with the the South elevation to make, you know, in the future that's gonna | 00:08:24 | |
| become the more, I guess, a visible side of the grocery store. Yeah, we we we can talk to this too. But yeah, actually you just go | 00:08:32 | |
| ahead and just for clarification so like from as well. I'm director of architecture over. Oh, sorry. | 00:08:41 | |
| Yeah, not many people tell me to be louder usually, so I apologize. Umm, so on, on this particular block, in that context of the | 00:08:51 | |
| Paseo, like the building or the grocer and the future building to the north, umm, you'll see a typical Paseo here with the grocery | 00:08:58 | |
| store being what it is, the prominence that it needs, the volume that it'll have. We've been studying this where this will be kind | 00:09:05 | |
| of an atypical scenario where the future parking deck and building. | 00:09:12 | |
| Go in this block 4C, which is where the temporary parking lot is now we'll stand further away from the front of the grocery store | 00:09:20 | |
| uh, because we do wanna maintain that presence. I mean we're putting a lot into what this store looks like and we want from the | 00:09:27 | |
| main entry off in your connector to maintain that level of visibility and as you're coming down Avery right here to have that | 00:09:35 | |
| prominent it stands out you see the glow and and all of that and as well we wanna make sure we still. | 00:09:42 | |
| Can flood the store with natural light. | 00:09:50 | |
| How many levels is the future parking lot going to be? | 00:09:55 | |
| Uh, do you know, you don't know what we don't know exactly. It's gonna depend on, you know, how, how we build out these N blocks. | 00:10:02 | |
| So, you know, this is all future, but what we're thinking is the, the block on the top left. So for a is a residential building | 00:10:10 | |
| with a parking structure embedded in it. So not really into routes and then goes up above the deck and then the next. | 00:10:17 | |
| Yeah, that block there, it's the right. 4B is a proposed office building. | 00:10:26 | |
| OK. | 00:10:31 | |
| But those are, you know, those are years away and. | 00:10:32 | |
| We don't really wanna focus on those right now because we don't know exactly what they will remain those or not. So yeah. | 00:10:39 | |
| Mostly. OK, cool. Yeah. | 00:10:47 | |
| I think that's it for the presentation on the grocery store. If you guys did want to have discussion on that before we move on to | 00:10:51 | |
| the other block, did you guys have any questions or comments? | 00:10:56 | |
| Umm, none other than the so the grocery store is first in the residential a rapid is a future phase. Do you have we'll find that | 00:11:03 | |
| in a separate site plan, but it will, you know, we can talk all through that one later. But and you clarify by future phase, we're | 00:11:10 | |
| purely saying we're trying to push the grocery store in advance to just putting foundations and things going right away. It's | 00:11:17 | |
| going to be 1 continuous build. It's not a build to grocery wait a year. It's it's. | 00:11:24 | |
| Be continuous construction. OK, That was mostly my question. Yeah. Like that the residential graph around like right adjacent to | 00:11:31 | |
| the grocery store will be very quickly like, you know, as soon as we can pull those elevations together and get all of our civil | 00:11:38 | |
| engineering around that completed, we'll bring it in. So I'm hoping like like in a month or two. But those buildings to the north, | 00:11:45 | |
| we're talking like years away, not like a couple weeks a month. | 00:11:52 | |
| Great. And you have any questions? | 00:12:01 | |
| Yeah. You mentioned a retail corner maybe connected to the grocery store. What can you further tell us about that? | 00:12:02 | |
| So it is a connected 2026 twenty 700 square foot tenant, umm, and it's set up for a true tenant, uh, situation. So we're thinking | 00:12:13 | |
| it could be a great restaurant spot or, but we're setting it up. But it could be, umm, we could put basically anything and it | 00:12:21 | |
| could even be subdivided if we needed it to be. But we're trying to set it up, uh, for flexibility to be a cold, dark shell that | 00:12:28 | |
| we can adapt it to whatever. | 00:12:35 | |
| Appropriate there we're also leaving the master plan is to keep that larger uh outdoor space there so there's uh there's other | 00:12:43 | |
| restaurants retail in there some food carts things and so we're trying to have that as always be an active corner in a in a minute | 00:12:50 | |
| to that overall block yeah like where the sales are kind of converging in the future conditions. We want that to be very active | 00:12:57 | |
| and part of helping that be activated was having. | 00:13:04 | |
| This corner retail on my grocery store there is a component of the grocery store as well where there's. | 00:13:12 | |
| There's outdoor seating, so. | 00:13:19 | |
| I don't know how to exactly describe but you can see the tables and chairs out outside of the grocery store. The grocery store has | 00:13:23 | |
| another and like a an entrance there that. | 00:13:29 | |
| Is it like the Caffeinated? Yeah, there's it's set up in a way to that. They could have a cafe there or and they're working | 00:13:36 | |
| through the programming of the store right now to see what that serves. But they're on board with that. They like that | 00:13:42 | |
| opportunity, the outdoor seating, some of the prepared goods to be able to utilize. The intention is to really activate that whole | 00:13:48 | |
| corner. And for that corner retail spot, would there be an interior? | 00:13:55 | |
| Entrance and an exterior entrance to that unit. | 00:14:02 | |
| To the grocery store, yeah, right now I don't think we planned for that. It's, it's kind of a stand alone retail where it would be | 00:14:07 | |
| a totally independent tenant in the grocery store. But the cafe, you know, that's kind of this indoor outdoor relationship. | 00:14:15 | |
| Any other questions? | 00:14:28 | |
| Any of you guys have any questions? Sorry you got it from the mic. Sorry, you should know by now. | 00:14:30 | |
| Looking at this I see I was talking with Tash about this the pharmacy. | 00:14:41 | |
| And it looks like you're going to have to drive through. Yep. And then we'll have to do something. Yeah, I can. I can kind of go | 00:14:50 | |
| into the details on that if you want, just for the public to understand. I think that would be very beneficial. | 00:14:58 | |
| For my community that I live in, we have a lot of residents that can't get out of their car and would be grateful for advising | 00:15:05 | |
| pharmacy and I just have to do some type of work with that. But I think that is, yeah, they're, they're even keeping that up | 00:15:11 | |
| currently in in our review of of the downtown code, it does not permit for Dr. Throughs to be located on the side of the building, | 00:15:17 | |
| only in the rear of the buildings. | 00:15:23 | |
| Umm and so we're working with with brothel and the senior on on a possible zoning tax amendment that would allow for. | 00:15:30 | |
| Umm, a pharmaceutical Dr. Throughs and we have, uh, some language in there like queueing distance because you got to treat a | 00:15:37 | |
| queueing distance for pharmacy different than you would for like a Chick-fil-A or something like that. Umm, so, uh, and to go kind | 00:15:43 | |
| of more into the details on, on where we're at on the staff level on this, umm, they did just submit a final plat for this block | 00:15:48 | |
| that does break it up into those different lots because, umm, prior to doing that for the site plan, we expect them to, to finish | 00:15:54 | |
| the whole block. | 00:15:59 | |
| Umm, and this way they can just focus on the grocery store and that parking lot, do the landscaping for that, and then go through, | 00:16:06 | |
| you know, later for those other phases. | 00:16:10 | |
| Through in and it can come back through the Planning Commission for approval. Umm, and I just won't hold up the process otherwise, | 00:16:44 | |
| you know, it's only techmomics can take a month or longer to, to figure out getting the Planning Commission and City Council and | 00:16:51 | |
| we, we don't wanna hold this up longer than than we need to. OK. So yeah, I was curious why it wasn't included in the, uh. | 00:16:58 | |
| I guess in the highlighted drawing and, and one other thing just to, to kind of prepare you guys, uh, the Planning Commission on, | 00:17:05 | |
| umm, they, they have submitted a landscape plan for this. Umm, but it, it did last a lot of the details that we usually are | 00:17:11 | |
| looking at in, in landscape plans. We wanna see, you know, species and the counter size. We wanna see, umm, just all that kind of | 00:17:17 | |
| information to make sure that it, that it meets our standards. Umm, and just due to how they're doing this middle here, we're | 00:17:23 | |
| letting them do a deferred. | 00:17:29 | |
| It's planned where we will still give it a review and, and approval, umm, but in two weeks they will come with a planting list of | 00:17:35 | |
| saying here's, you know, here's our palette of, of what we're going to plant. It'll still, you know, we have the locations of the | 00:17:40 | |
| trees and the location of all the, the green space and open space, but it might not be as detailed as what we're used to seeing. | 00:17:44 | |
| OK. | 00:17:49 | |
| And, and that's the same for all these blocks that we're gonna be reviewing. Umm, the, the landscape plans aren't up to, you know, | 00:17:55 | |
| that 100% final, umm, that, that we're used to seeing. Umm, and just, I guess a quick comment on the drive through, even though | 00:18:02 | |
| this isn't really part of the discussion right now, uh, having that via turn in, uh, from the right lane, turn in and, uh, have | 00:18:09 | |
| the building facing the right side. I think it's a great idea, assuming that they have some kind of, uh, like a bank. | 00:18:17 | |
| Boxes or something to send everything first uh crossing that left and then crossing back over the road and dealing with the | 00:18:25 | |
| queuing there. I think it could be an issue, but the way it looks drawn right now would be coming in on the right and I think that | 00:18:31 | |
| that's a good idea. I think that that's how it ought to be done. Umm any other questions? Cool uh, I think the building looks | 00:18:38 | |
| beautiful. Oh sure go ahead. | 00:18:44 | |
| Alright, can you go? | 00:18:57 | |
| Sure. | 00:19:00 | |
| So we, we have regulations on, we have a code that they have to meet as far as bike parking. Did you guys wanna discuss that at | 00:19:01 | |
| all? It's not yes. I'm looking to see if it's shown in any of these drawings that we sent through. | 00:19:08 | |
| And it doesn't look like we represented it very well, but we, yeah, we are planning on bike parking. We're actually working with | 00:19:16 | |
| Salt Lake Green Bike. | 00:19:21 | |
| And you might know about this or I don't know if you do know about it, but we've been working with Salt Lake Green Bike on | 00:19:27 | |
| bringing their basically their operations down here. And what that is, is it's a bike share program. You go in and you can like, | 00:19:35 | |
| you know, put your credit card in and then you can take the bike. This we're identifying Bella's as one of the hubs. | 00:19:42 | |
| OK, cool. The train station would be another one and then there would be others like throughout the community and, and, uh, we've | 00:19:50 | |
| had discussions with staff as well about bringing those green bikes into like down to Senior Grove Park and Sunset Beach Park and | 00:19:57 | |
| maybe the megaplex. And like that would be the bike share program. So associated with like that docking station, there would | 00:20:04 | |
| probably be other bike racks with that. We just, we haven't located that hub. | 00:20:11 | |
| On, on these plans that you're seeing right now, but when we come back in, in two weeks, we can have that cool. So we can talk | 00:20:19 | |
| about that then too. Well, we have baskets on them. Yeah, we're, they don't, uh, green bike doesn't have any. Well, they, I think | 00:20:25 | |
| they do have baskets, but they don't have like the cargo bikes and we've talked to them about getting cargo bikes so you can put | 00:20:32 | |
| more groceries on your bike instead of just what fits in the basket. That'd be cool. Cool. | 00:20:38 | |
| Any other questions? Yeah, I think the I think plans look awesome. | 00:20:45 | |
| Umm. | 00:20:50 | |
| Uh, we have talked about in the past and I don't doubt it, this will look like how it's presented. Uh, but you don't expect plans | 00:20:52 | |
| to look just as good as they do and the rendering. Yeah. And the, the one thing too I'll point out on this one, which is a little | 00:20:58 | |
| bit different than the other landscape plans that you'll see on the other blocks and, and in particular the parking lot. So all of | 00:21:04 | |
| the parking lots we're doing right now. | 00:21:09 | |
| Are temporary surface parking lots that will eventually go into a parking structure. You know, once we can get some velocity on on | 00:21:16 | |
| our buildings and getting tenants in and our residents in. | 00:21:21 | |
| Back into those surface parking lots and we'll build parking structures kind of like what we've talked about here. But we | 00:21:29 | |
| anticipate this parking lot will probably be this way for many, many years. Whereas the other ones I think are putting like A7 | 00:21:35 | |
| year limit on those temporary, what we're calling temporary parking lot, surface parking lot. And so we're not putting as much | 00:21:41 | |
| landscape into those ones as you're seeing on this line. And that that's intentional because we do think that's when we'll | 00:21:47 | |
| probably be here longer. | 00:21:53 | |
| Than that than that. And part of that is to to make sure it's just kinda what was commented is that everybody knows where Bella's | 00:21:59 | |
| is. They know how to get in the. | 00:22:04 | |
| What we're planning right now is all of the circulation, vehicular circulation and Tibela's will be the exact same on the ground | 00:22:09 | |
| floors. Just there will be a parking garage up above this parking lot. Umm, so it's kind of like, you know, we, we anticipate this | 00:22:17 | |
| will be here a while. We're putting a lot of landscaping inside this parking lot. So you're seeing more landscaping than this. | 00:22:26 | |
| Than you will in the other plants that we're looking at tonight. Cool. | 00:22:35 | |
| That's a requirement, isn't it? If they don't have the parking garage up within a certain amount of time, then there has to be X | 00:22:40 | |
| amount of land. Yeah, yeah, the the code I, I don't remember the exact percentages, but after I believe it is seven years. | 00:22:45 | |
| On these temporary locks, they have to increase the landscaping requirement, I wanna say by 20 or 30% beyond the code. Umm, so we | 00:22:51 | |
| do have some pretty good keys there to to help get these temporary landscape or temporary parking lots to, you know, get | 00:22:57 | |
| landscapes and develop. Cool. I think it's great you guys are doing that ahead of time. Awesome. | 00:23:04 | |
| Cool. All right, OK, so then we're gonna move into 13 C, So if you remember, or actually I think there's another context on here. | 00:23:11 | |
| Yeah. So 13 C, we're kinda moving north and we're coming across the street from building 8 and 14. So 13C13B and 18C are gonna be | 00:23:21 | |
| the next three buildings that we're looking at. And so, yeah, go to that slide there cache. So this is kinda just a summary of. | 00:23:30 | |
| What we're planning in 13 C Umm. | 00:23:40 | |
| This particular building doesn't have any commercial square footage. Umm, it has about 342 residential units and umm, there's a | 00:23:43 | |
| list of amenities there. DJ, you wanna go? I'll talk more about the building on this one. So 13 C is the first building we're | 00:23:51 | |
| doing that has a heavy, heavy amenity package is intended to be. | 00:23:59 | |
| This building and the next year we're talking about or, or what we're calling district wide amenities. And so the buildings, uh, | 00:24:08 | |
| 5-6 and what's in four. | 00:24:13 | |
| Umm, they will all have the ability to utilize the amenities and certainty in the next two buildings we're talking about. So, umm, | 00:24:18 | |
| these buildings are what we would consider a top of the market, uh, offering, uh, for anything in the valley. And so there are, | 00:24:25 | |
| uh, beautiful lobbies, Co working club room spaces, private dining rooms that could be leased out, umm, or utilized when someone | 00:24:33 | |
| doesn't have them late. We have, uh, elevated. | 00:24:40 | |
| For patios, we, uh, we have a, uh, small club room and 13 C, but that's augmented by an 8000 square foot, uh, fitness center in | 00:24:48 | |
| the next building. So it's just again offering. These are those top of market amenities that, uh, we plan to put throughout the | 00:24:55 | |
| development. And so this is the first of the, the buildings to have this offering. | 00:25:02 | |
| OK, So this is this is the civil site plan. You're seeing the the parking associated with this building highlighted in blue. | 00:25:11 | |
| Later on we're gonna go, we're gonna look at this area more globally and talk about parking. Umm, so I won't talk about parking on | 00:25:21 | |
| this one. Umm, if you go to the next one, cash, this is the, the landscaping, uh, site plan. So what, what you're seeing here is | 00:25:29 | |
| the Paseo network that we've got in the area. Yep, it's running right there where cash is pointing. So this one is, is not central | 00:25:36 | |
| to the block. It's shifted to the east. | 00:25:43 | |
| And it's, it's running north-south. And then you'll see it being picked up in the next building. There's a Paseo between this | 00:25:51 | |
| building and the next one to the north. And then we have Dover Street and then the next one. So we're running up Sao N it kind of | 00:25:59 | |
| hits that 18C block and it got a window and then it shifts and goes keeps going north from there. | 00:26:07 | |
| Contact Elevation. | 00:26:18 | |
| So the elevations of this building really are trying to give a little bit different offering, but still a timeless, uh, slash | 00:26:21 | |
| traditional feel a lot of brickwork, umm, adding cornices using some more traditional, uh, architectural proportionate base metal | 00:26:28 | |
| top to the building. Umm, the, the front portion of the building is 7 stories tall and so it's been augmented some larger windows, | 00:26:35 | |
| giving a little bit of. | 00:26:42 | |
| Uh, renovated mercantile steel, uh, large, uh, office, I mean, not office lobby space to the left in that glass area. So as you're | 00:26:50 | |
| walking by, especially in the evening, you'll see beautiful, uh, seating groups, things like that. It's a big, uh, function space | 00:26:58 | |
| down, uh, and the lower level and it's a two-story volume. So you'll be able to see through that lobby into the elevated amenity | 00:27:05 | |
| spaces, which have glazing. So you'll be able to see up and through and sculpture lighting. | 00:27:13 | |
| And things of that nature in the building, maybe one thing I'd ask you on that elevation, as you're seeing off to the left kind of | 00:27:20 | |
| this two-story, there's like little deck coming out over on that side. So that part of that amenity space fills out on the second | 00:27:27 | |
| level over into the the right way into the street. And so in in conjunction with that, the the lobby enters just to the right of | 00:27:35 | |
| that that large glazing space almost in the middle of the building right there. | 00:27:42 | |
| It's a large pass through lobby that goes through that front bar and we showed you the Paseo that goes that's kind of been pushed | 00:27:50 | |
| to the east. | 00:27:53 | |
| So you can walk from that front door through that lobby and succeeding in the lobby out into that paseo. You can walk across that | 00:27:57 | |
| paseo and there's a great maker space that's in the next bar right there where the hand is. And so that has these rolled up doors | 00:28:04 | |
| that's intended for functions and, uh, residents use the host painting events or different seminars of how to make, you know, art | 00:28:12 | |
| or different things. Uh, so it's really intended that you can bring. | 00:28:19 | |
| People through the front door of the building, through those spaces, have an event in the middle in that north-south Paseo and tie | 00:28:27 | |
| it into that, uh, amenity across the Paseo. So it's really trying to engage. Even if people are walking through and do not pass | 00:28:33 | |
| through the building, it's still very engaging visually all on all sides through there. Is there a potential for that being | 00:28:39 | |
| commercial or like? | 00:28:46 | |
| Small like home businesses for residents or anything or what are your stocks on that? | 00:28:53 | |
| Yeah, it it's meant to be like like published, like the residents could be in there. It's just kind of one of those district wide | 00:29:00 | |
| amenities. If if there's gonna be like an art class that probably the property management group is organizing and and putting on | 00:29:06 | |
| or, or another group could do the same in the community. They could put on some kind of and I wouldn't see a problem with like | 00:29:12 | |
| opening it up to the general public, but. | 00:29:19 | |
| The people could lease it for business purposes, I mean, for a couple of days or something like that, like that. Oh, you wanna | 00:29:26 | |
| comment like? | 00:29:29 | |
| I don't, we haven't really thought through that, but it, it has not been set up that way. It's more of, you know, for a lot of | 00:29:34 | |
| people, uh, you know, you wanna work on skis, bike straightforward you or you get something in a key, I wanna put it together. Or, | 00:29:40 | |
| or maybe you're Craftsman and want to build things and don't necessarily wanna try to do it on the living room of your apartment, | 00:29:46 | |
| The space where large tables on wheels and can move around and tools are in there and it's kind of get in there and, and do it. | 00:29:52 | |
| But what I. | 00:29:58 | |
| Is we are trying to create most of these amenities spaces to be very dynamic. They may be programmed for this use today and you | 00:30:04 | |
| know the first five years, but as the development grows and changes and we implement other things, we're giving ourselves latitude | 00:30:11 | |
| to be able to come back. And even though it's not programmed for lease now, it's set up in a way that if in the future we said, | 00:30:19 | |
| hey, that's a great opportunity for that, we're giving ourselves latitude with different spaces to make those. | 00:30:26 | |
| Cool, cool. | 00:30:34 | |
| The one thing that I'd point out in the in these, umm, elevations is this archway that you're seeing is that's the fail running | 00:30:39 | |
| through the building. So in the in the last slide to cash, maybe spot back there that arch space. That's where the casinos running | 00:30:46 | |
| underneath units. And then once you get past the the that block of units and it opens up OK, And then when you get to the door, | 00:30:53 | |
| it's going under units again. OK, and those are public that says. | 00:31:00 | |
| In 24 hours. Cool. | 00:31:08 | |
| So moving I guess kind of on the, if you go back to that one, if you're just on cash, yeah, that one. So there's kind of like this | 00:31:12 | |
| hierarchy of spaces, right? You've got the street state, which is public, you know, anybody walking along there, the sales are | 00:31:19 | |
| open to the public, but then there's a secondary space which is the courtyard, so. | 00:31:26 | |
| I don't want to miss feature Vijay, but I believe those are gated. So in order to get into the courtyard, we have to charge your | 00:31:35 | |
| key card. But people can, you know, that are in the Paseo, the general public, they could see what's back there. | 00:31:41 | |
| I just, you know, looking down the corridor and then you move out of that central courtyard that's surrounded completely with | 00:31:48 | |
| units and then you get back out onto the kind of St. side and that we're calling those like Alco, kind of like a semi public | 00:31:54 | |
| space. It's out on the street. There's a piece of play equipment that we're in that kind of tan vineyard bar is a piece of play | 00:32:01 | |
| equipment. | 00:32:07 | |
| That's really unique when when nobody and then other kids are in there playing in it. It's kind of like the sculptural piece. | 00:32:14 | |
| Cool, but it's totally playable. It's kind of like this. Yeah, that's that's it right there. | 00:32:20 | |
| Yeah, so that, that phase two, there's heating, uh, shaded seating and these renderings are kind of tone down the trees so you | 00:32:26 | |
| can't see them unless you know what you're looking at, but there will be, it'll be nice to shaded. | 00:32:34 | |
| And there's feeding out in that space too, so. | 00:32:43 | |
| I don't know how many of you were here when we kind of went through five and six and eight and 14, but that that hierarchy of | 00:32:48 | |
| public, semi public and private space is all through the whole master plan. | 00:32:54 | |
| Yeah, I told BJ we'd only be 45 minutes. We're almost there. So we can keep these and if you guys have any questions, you can. | 00:33:08 | |
| Feel free to ask. | 00:33:17 | |
| That's not Mm-hmm. | 00:33:23 | |
| Just looking at that rendering right there, are those two separate units in the corner, or is that a single unit? | 00:33:28 | |
| Curious, just in the in this rendering, yeah, yeah, there's two separate things. OK. So kind of that line that you're seeing | 00:33:34 | |
| coming down. Yeah, dividing the unit and the keyword. Mm-hmm. | 00:33:39 | |
| But yeah, those units have, they have private patios that come out into the courtyard. That's what you're seeing there. And and | 00:33:46 | |
| those are like, those are elevated from the courtyard. So people that are in the courtyard can't get into that space. Yeah. | 00:33:54 | |
| I think that is over the garage is kind of those garage doors that come up and open up so that makerspace is like indoor outdoor | 00:34:08 | |
| room. | 00:34:13 | |
| So it could be propped up and you can go through that. | 00:34:18 | |
| Hmm. One other thing I just want to point out on the ground floor of all these units that you have some sort of like access to the | 00:34:22 | |
| street, but they also are served by this like interior hallway system, OK. And which this is different than like 5:00 and 6:00 and | 00:34:30 | |
| 8:14. They don't those ground 4 units don't have always and we're trying to provide different products that may have filled the | 00:34:37 | |
| different people. So that's why you're seeing the hallway in this one. OK, but. | 00:34:45 | |
| All the buildings, whether it has an interior corridor or not, they will always have exterior entry from the say of the street. | 00:34:52 | |
| They will always have that cool cool. | 00:34:58 | |
| It was over. Pardon. Right now. Yeah. Yeah, this is this is a good time to do it. So for 13 C, what you're seeing in green, you | 00:35:06 | |
| see the building in green and then you see some surface parking stalls highlighted in green. This exhibit is going to show like to | 00:35:14 | |
| help you understand that we're meeting the parking requirement. But because we're not assigning parking, people will park like 13 | 00:35:21 | |
| C Residents could park in the yellow. They could park in the blue or the purple. | 00:35:28 | |
| Kinda just first come first, third. So one of the things you'll see in here is we are umm, we are using one of the reductions, | 00:35:36 | |
| which is unbundled parking, which means it's, it's really, it's not assigned. So it's kind of a first come, first serve. So this | 00:35:42 | |
| exhibit is more just to see if it works. We're meeting the parking requirement, not necessarily where these residents will park. | 00:35:48 | |
| OK. | 00:35:54 | |
| And that parking will be restricted to residents even though the even though it's not assigned, it'll still be permitted. Yep, | 00:36:02 | |
| that is also one of the things that we are getting a reduction on to make sure we're enforcing parking and we're controlling it. | 00:36:10 | |
| Do you have that plan yet? Because I know that all the parking study plans, yeah, this this like these studies we're doing one for | 00:36:21 | |
| five and six as well. So when we bring in the residential wrap on block 4, we'll have the same conversation on 5/6 and and four. | 00:36:27 | |
| OK. | 00:36:32 | |
| Umm, but these exhibits will be kind of the groundwork for those parking studies. OK, OK. And just as a whole, uh, we, we, I think | 00:36:38 | |
| there's a stipulation with some of the, uh, buildings that you guys have already had approved that they can't have a certi | 00:36:46 | |
| certificate of occupancy until you have a parking plan for the entire area at 505 hundred stalls, which. | 00:36:55 | |
| Five and six are like 400 and yeah, yeah. | 00:37:04 | |
| Somebody in the city will choose somebody and if we can agree on one person rate, if not, then those two consultants will choose a | 00:37:38 | |
| third party to do this study and then whatever that study comes out with will automatically be applied to the code. But yeah, I | 00:37:45 | |
| think you're looking at, you want to see more kind of what we're looking at here or it's a map showing where the parking is for | 00:37:53 | |
| the whole project and like as project infield and developed where the new parking thing has been developed. Is that right? | 00:38:00 | |
| It's, it's more, I guess just with the issues that are currently there, how many people are parking in this development currently | 00:38:07 | |
| and how that's going to be handled? | 00:38:11 | |
| Yeah, and that, that's another kind of issue that, that we're working on as a city. You're talking about the cars park online, | 00:38:17 | |
| Main Street and Market Street. Yeah, Yeah, we, we are working on that. And that is actually streets that are owned by, uh, | 00:38:23 | |
| Flagboro, umm, and they're the ones who control it. Umm, the, the, I don't think the sheriff's can so without their permission, | 00:38:28 | |
| umm, but we are working with the City Council recently passed approval for, uh, parking permits to be sold for 300 W and Vanzouk | 00:38:34 | |
| Rd. umm, and. | 00:38:40 | |
| Roughly 87 stalls that will open up there that hopefully those people parking up front or will be then able to park at lakefront | 00:38:46 | |
| closer to where they live. Umm, and that will hopefully prevent people, you know, living in the the South side of 800 N from | 00:38:52 | |
| meeting to park in Utah City development. OK. | 00:38:58 | |
| OK. | 00:39:06 | |
| OK. So we'll probably talk about 13D and 18C together. They're they're. | 00:39:09 | |
| Very closely related building. The unit types are very similar, so that's kind of the context of those. | 00:39:15 | |
| Umm, just going over 13D really quick, uh, that, that block is about 1 1/2 or 1.85 acres total of 310 units, about 8580, four 85% | 00:39:25 | |
| our studio apartment. So these are very, very unique from our other buildings. Uh, you know, we're, we're trying to create a large | 00:39:34 | |
| variety of unit types. These are gonna be these two buildings, A13B and 18. | 00:39:44 | |
| He will be heavily studio UM. | 00:39:54 | |
| You want to talk more about that a little bit of the context is with these buildings, with what we're doing at Utah City, we kind | 00:39:59 | |
| of have a different opportunity to most developers do and and most developers develop one block and they've got to blend unit | 00:40:06 | |
| types and residents offerings in one building. So with with the number of buildings that we have, we're utilizing these two | 00:40:13 | |
| buildings to focus purely into one demographic. | 00:40:20 | |
| Demographic group and that's really young professional student and some offerings of that nature to, uh, subscribe to UDU and, and | 00:40:28 | |
| then the young professionals helping uh, people find housing in Utah City. But then as they've been there, they can then migrate | 00:40:36 | |
| to one of the other buildings and so on and so forth. So the concept of offering these studios is not just, hey, to, to push up | 00:40:43 | |
| account or to, to do some of these. | 00:40:51 | |
| Things we're trying to make sure we're, we're preparing who we subscribe to and who has the ability, uh, to rent here and then to, | 00:40:58 | |
| uh, with that as well. You'll see, uh, in these buildings, the offering of amenities and the other things. Yes, the overall unit | 00:41:06 | |
| is a little bit smaller than some of the other buildings, but there is, there is a great deal of augmented living space throughout | 00:41:13 | |
| the buildings. There's space on every floor in each of these buildings that is purely for the residents. | 00:41:20 | |
| There are amenities that are purely for the residents and then there are other amenities that are those this year amenities we're | 00:41:28 | |
| talking about. So it's still a high level of living experience, uh, planned in these buildings. | 00:41:34 | |
| Yeah. So like some of these amenities that that you're seeing in here are, you know, targeted for that demographic that DJ | 00:41:44 | |
| described. Yeah. | 00:41:48 | |
| Here you can see how they're they're related they're supposed to sale running up kind of on the eastern side. And if we know | 00:41:55 | |
| through AT&T and keep going north Dover Street comes between these buildings and then there's something really unique happening on | 00:42:02 | |
| Dover Street that we're still working through how exactly we plot this and how we work through this but. | 00:42:08 | |
| I'm just gonna point it out here and then you'll see it in that elevation. So here we are in the elevation. So there's a skybridge | 00:42:16 | |
| that connects these two buildings. There's amenities spaces in both buildings that at skybridge is connecting. Umm, and then there | 00:42:23 | |
| is also in the code, there's an entrance type called an arcade where you've got umm, the sidewalk goes underneath the building and | 00:42:29 | |
| there's columns kind of marching down. | 00:42:36 | |
| The link like if you're looking from here. | 00:42:44 | |
| And, and where the arcade ends, it's about 65 feet. And then the sky bridge is, I don't know how wide that is, like 12 feet or | 00:42:47 | |
| something, 10 to 12 feet up above. | 00:42:52 | |
| Within our 65 feet. So we're working out how exactly we we flat this, what public, what's private. | 00:42:58 | |
| Where the easements are running through here like utility easements. And so just know that we're working through that. We don't | 00:43:08 | |
| have all the answers right now. This is providing a totally unique experience on Dover Street and any other street that we. | 00:43:15 | |
| Put together so far and part of the reason it's situated like this and actually on these specific blocks is it's pulled out | 00:43:24 | |
| further from the building on the right. You see in the darker portion of the building that's a district wide like large club room | 00:43:31 | |
| with game room space and some things. But on the left it's a resident only smaller version of that. So subscribe to both, but the | 00:43:38 | |
| context of why they're sitting on Dover right there. | 00:43:45 | |
| We looked at numerous blocks, had them. | 00:43:52 | |
| Just mapped out what was planned for all those different blocks in this location, uh, for the long foreseeable future, if not the, | 00:43:55 | |
| uh, the life of Utah City, you'll maintain great mountain views, great lake views and things like that. So we're trying to be just | 00:44:03 | |
| very mindful as well, not just to stamp a, we put one nice thing in this building or something, but how do we make it the best | 00:44:10 | |
| that it can be on Utah City? So that's why those are like that and pulled. | 00:44:18 | |
| Little bit further. | 00:44:25 | |
| Cool. | 00:44:28 | |
| Can you talk about the, uh, I guess in the next slide down, uh, kind of pull it out through the building? | 00:44:30 | |
| Oh, that's the cross section of the bridge. Oh yeah, got on it. It won't actually be a whole. Yeah. Yeah. Like, like open. I've | 00:44:41 | |
| got a question. Yeah. OK. And these amenities sound great. You mentioned these one bedroom studio apartments, kind of a unique | 00:44:49 | |
| offering that way. | 00:44:57 | |
| Uh, what can you say about build quality, particularly finishes? Are these gonna be geared? Maybe Anything new is nice, but, uh. | 00:45:05 | |
| Are they gonna be? | 00:45:18 | |
| Basic, uh, for lack of a better word? Or are they gonna be quite, uh, premium and, and, and a more expensive offering? | 00:45:21 | |
| Question. No, I think everything we're building will be what? | 00:45:33 | |
| What I call I've, I've done, I've been in architecture for over 25 years. What we would call this is market rate. I mean, it's, | 00:45:38 | |
| it's what is delivered in the market. So, umm, we are trying to build and design and build in a way that is, it's affordable to | 00:45:45 | |
| residents. But at the same time, residents have expectations of what it is. So, and, and so they'll be granite countertops and, | 00:45:53 | |
| and stainless steel appliances and all those things that. | 00:46:00 | |
| Look, you know, it's, it's an incredible living environment, but at the same time, those materials don't cost what they used to | 00:46:08 | |
| cost and, and, and things like that. So, and we do cut back in other areas. So there are certain things due to the size of those | 00:46:15 | |
| units that we get efficiencies there. But it's going to be a A Class A product and but it again, part of it's square footage and | 00:46:22 | |
| that's what makes it affordable as well. | 00:46:29 | |
| You know the smaller unit type. How many square feet about are these units? How many square feet are the units? I can tell you | 00:46:37 | |
| real quick. | 00:46:42 | |
| Look actually cash if you go down to Slide 71. | 00:46:48 | |
| There's a breakdown of SO agency and 13 B, Yeah. | 00:46:57 | |
| And and we say they're predominantly studios, but a lot of those studios have what's called a nested bedroom. So it doesn't, it's | 00:47:02 | |
| not right on a window, the bedroom is, but the walls open up and things like that. Natural light comes into those rooms, which is | 00:47:10 | |
| very common and very high end product of that. So my point to that is it's not, I think at least IA lot of times think when you | 00:47:17 | |
| say studio, you think just that one big open space, but there is a lot of. | 00:47:25 | |
| I mean, they have nice closets, Some have bedrooms, some have inboard bedrooms. I mean, they're they're set up to be have a lot of | 00:47:33 | |
| different offerings. Yeah. So like what you're seeing on this table, these are. | 00:47:40 | |
| These are the basically the building blocks. These are the unit sizes across AT&T and 13 others. There's 12 unit types. Basically, | 00:47:48 | |
| there's several different layouts of studios. There's three layouts of one bedroom. | 00:47:56 | |
| And then is that two of them? Yeah. I mean, we go from. | 00:48:06 | |
| Like 480 is our smaller, 480 square foot is our smallest, but we go up to 1200 square feet. | 00:48:11 | |
| There's just not as many of those 1200, but there's 700, yeah, there's a 720 Studio and then 471 Studio 900. So everybody, you | 00:48:19 | |
| know, when they, they come, they'll, they'll pick where they wanna be. They'll pick based on the layout, based on the pricing. | 00:48:25 | |
| Umm. | 00:48:31 | |
| The the consumer is very savvy when it comes to this, and they'll figure out exactly which one yeah, yeah. And which one they | 00:48:40 | |
| like. So. | 00:48:45 | |
| Does that answer your question, Graydon? Yeah. | 00:48:50 | |
| I'm supposed to use. | 00:48:54 | |
| And a little color to the the overall 2 buildings, we tried to make them cohesive, but at the same time different, different and | 00:49:00 | |
| even under the building in and of itself, try to make the building feel like it's multiple buildings in a very genuine way. | 00:49:09 | |
| To where it's not like you just change correct colors from one piece to another, very different architecture and and we with the | 00:49:19 | |
| way these face 2nd Ave. | 00:49:24 | |
| And the 18A13A, what is our parking lot? The backside of these buildings are going to be facing Vineyard Connector for a long | 00:49:29 | |
| time. So put a lot of effort into making sure that we forgot, you know, we present a very good phase of any connector as well. | 00:49:39 | |
| That's something that we can have talked about a lot is there. We're having a real challenge. There is really no back of house on | 00:49:49 | |
| these buildings because every single size is very visible. So it's like trying to figure out where we're putting trash, where | 00:49:55 | |
| we're putting electrical equipment and mechanical and everything. It's a challenge because we want every single thought to be | 00:50:01 | |
| amazing. | 00:50:07 | |
| So that's, that's also true on the grocery store. You know what we showed you are two amazing facades and the two kind of blank | 00:50:15 | |
| sides, we're covering those. So you don't have a typical grocery store, you usually have 3 blank sized. They have the main one | 00:50:22 | |
| where you park out in front, go in and then the other sites are just walls both in this urban condition we and where we're | 00:50:28 | |
| promoting walkability. | 00:50:35 | |
| We really can't have any blank calls even on our parking structures. We're we're planning liner buildings that you don't see just | 00:50:42 | |
| deploying. | 00:50:46 | |
| Wow, cool. And one last piece that I would say even to our Paseos, it would be very easy to phone it in and make it as basic as | 00:50:50 | |
| can be with no detail. We're trying to continue to prevent present, sorry. | 00:50:58 | |
| A good, you know, foot forward. | 00:51:08 | |
| Everywhere. | 00:51:09 | |
| So these, these slides are kind of, you're seeing the landscape kind of, uh, framework here is the, the green is obviously the | 00:51:12 | |
| landscaping and softcape and the tan and the hardscape, the pavers, the concrete. Here's some looks inside the courtyard. This is, | 00:51:18 | |
| this is the South building 13B. | 00:51:25 | |
| Everyone's 18 feet. This one's got. Yeah, they're rendering here. You know, just the little water feature inside this courtyard | 00:51:35 | |
| that's kind of the steps condition where you can people can fit and enjoy the space and there's cascading water coming through. | 00:51:43 | |
| Barbecue. | 00:51:53 | |
| Like kind of more intimate private seating areas umm, so you know you can have a breakout of a smaller group and feel like you've | 00:51:54 | |
| got your own space in the overall larger courtyard sorry soon as 13B1 would be gated by the 13th or the 18th C1 would be open to | 00:52:01 | |
| right with the sales coming through. There may be some components of that there like kind of spent like maybe a little fence that | 00:52:08 | |
| you can see through, but. | 00:52:15 | |
| OK. | 00:52:23 | |
| I did see in one of the renderings, uh. | 00:52:25 | |
| That Beehive Cafe, I assume this is another one of the potentially in the future be something. It's just, yeah, maybe go to umm, | 00:52:28 | |
| there is like a little Bodega Market cafe, a commercial space that's like a third party vendor would come in and run something. | 00:52:38 | |
| Umm, here, let me see on my iPad, yes and then. | 00:52:50 | |
| You can see. | 00:52:56 | |
| So if you go to like the landscape rendering caches on on 563. | 00:53:00 | |
| All right. There's one you're just on, I think. Yeah. | 00:53:07 | |
| After the elevation. | 00:53:17 | |
| Oh yeah, right. Go up 1.0. | 00:53:20 | |
| Yeah, no, it's 818. I think 76 go to 76. | 00:53:25 | |
| A viewer on it, sorry. | 00:53:30 | |
| The next one up? | 00:53:35 | |
| Oh, sorry, I'm looking at the plans. | 00:53:38 | |
| Sorry. | 00:53:47 | |
| Got it. So yeah, it's, uh, that, that market, yeah, it's right there still in the, in this image, the right building, uh, the | 00:53:51 | |
| bottom of the bar, uh, across the state up from where the hand is. | 00:53:59 | |
| OK, basically that, that area we're, uh, we're doing a bodega and cafe, which is intended, umm, to basically be those smaller | 00:54:07 | |
| things that Red didn't want, like a quick something to be something to drink or snacks and all those things or get home from work | 00:54:14 | |
| late at night. And whether it's like an honor mark or something like that, whatever technology we necessarily use there, we're | 00:54:20 | |
| debating. | 00:54:26 | |
| But it's it's something that residents could come in and pick up things real quick without having to go over to Bella's or | 00:54:34 | |
| something like that. | 00:54:37 | |
| Cool. | 00:54:41 | |
| Cool. | 00:54:44 | |
| Do you guys have any questions? | 00:54:46 | |
| Yeah, I think it looks great. Do you have anything? Are you real quick? | 00:54:50 | |
| This thing is sitting up here, really. | 00:54:58 | |
| Umm, I think the marketing connector. | 00:55:04 | |
| Because you got. | 00:55:12 | |
| So we hope not. I hope not and. | 00:55:20 | |
| We, I've built MO uh, apartment buildings right on legitimate 5 lane highways before. And there are ways to build walls. There are | 00:55:29 | |
| windows that, uh, can be purchased and things like that committee and all those things. I don't think that's our situation here, | 00:55:36 | |
| but we're, we're still on AT and CV13B and 13C. So we're still a good ways away from Vineyard connectors. And in the future we're | 00:55:44 | |
| planning partly structures, parking structures. | 00:55:51 | |
| 18 A ATD 13A13D that will have residents facing back to the east. OK, so there will be a sound wall. That's not a sound wall that | 00:55:59 | |
| will mitigate that. | 00:56:06 | |
| Absolutely not. You're working work at night and more sleep during the day. No, it's 539 please. | 00:56:16 | |
| Yeah. | 00:56:27 | |
| The one where they're all white? Oh yeah. | 00:56:35 | |
| Those are the interiors of the courtyard. | 00:56:40 | |
| Well, it's. | 00:56:44 | |
| Was it like a 3D image? Is it? Is it this one? | 00:56:47 | |
| Just trying to think of. | 00:56:51 | |
| Yeah, that one, it was the one where it was the maker. Yeah, There you go. | 00:56:55 | |
| That looks to me like a Russian. A Russian donut, a somo somo. | 00:57:03 | |
| Hello. | 00:57:10 | |
| Uh-huh. | 00:57:14 | |
| Bars like Prison So Juliet Balcony. Yeah, they are. | 00:57:18 | |
| How's visible? | 00:57:31 | |
| We had a a long debate on those juliets, so they are the function of those. Is those doors still open so you get the error coming | 00:57:34 | |
| in. | 00:57:39 | |
| But you don't, you can't step out right because it's it's a couple of inches. | 00:57:44 | |
| Do you know where to call out? Well, they're, they're high enough so people that there's a guardrail there just as much as if it | 00:57:51 | |
| was a patio. I mean that it's an alternative. It's the same railings that we have on the balcony. It's it's of the same, it's a | 00:57:57 | |
| required code height that they are, they're required by code to have certain lateral cords. So we can't pull them off the wall for | 00:58:03 | |
| those reasons and. | 00:58:09 | |
| Then he's just like, but it's a little bit, but it's a little skewed too, as Bronson had said, because of like the trees that are | 00:58:16 | |
| shaded out and things like this. These courtyards have a lot of trees in them that Patel has a lot of trees. And sometimes what | 00:58:21 | |
| happens when you land tape on that heavy. | 00:58:26 | |
| They get very dark. So the so if we were to show that you, you wouldn't, you actually wouldn't see this as thought. | 00:58:32 | |
| So we scale, we mapped out the trees. You can still see the three shapes, but it's it's making us the top of the cough that helps | 00:58:38 | |
| seize all the kind of greenery right there. But the intention is that two things, and I'm not trying to say your point is not well | 00:58:45 | |
| taken, is trying to keep those colors light, keep the courtyard with well, brighter and brighter because the lid can get very | 00:58:52 | |
| dark, especially with the trees. | 00:58:59 | |
| And all the shades. But you'll never ever see this image in real life. | 00:59:06 | |
| BJ calls these architectural views that only the architect and you guys are seeing. Residents would never necessarily deceive the | 00:59:12 | |
| building like this. | 00:59:16 | |
| Do you have any other questions for you? | 00:59:23 | |
| All right. Thanks. | 00:59:27 | |
| Cool uh any other questions uh no looks great yeah I think things look great. I love how this is coming together honestly umm the | 00:59:30 | |
| potatoes and how we can fit together and the just the amount of different options there are as far as bedrooms and not just like | 00:59:37 | |
| studio one to three bedrooms, but that they're all they're multiples of each one. I think that's priced umm. I think it's | 00:59:43 | |
| something that residents. | 00:59:49 | |
| And future residents will benefit from. So thank you guys so much. I, I do have one quick question. There's something I don't | 00:59:56 | |
| think we brought up in our comments before that that Patrick wanted me to ask is with, with like on AT&T where you do have that | 01:00:02 | |
| bodega shop or something that is more open to residents outside of new custody development? Umm, you have some street parking here | 01:00:09 | |
| is, is the plan for that to, you know, have a one hour limit? | 01:00:15 | |
| You know, what have you talked about kind of how you program that street to make sure that when Patrick wants to run and get a | 01:00:21 | |
| Slurpee, there's a good parking platform? Yeah. I would imagine there would be some kind of time limit during the day for for that | 01:00:29 | |
| year so that, you know, we can keep things turning over. And no, no, residents just parked their car. | 01:00:37 | |
| Yeah, well, and that brings up, uh, what Jordan's comment was earlier about bike parking, I think. | 01:00:44 | |
| I would love to see bike parking throughout this, both for residents and for non utacity residents who are down there visiting. | 01:00:51 | |
| Because I think for me who live on the southern part of the city, if I wanna go up there, like like when I go to the park or when | 01:00:58 | |
| I go somewhere within the new city of the West, it's way more convenient for me to ride a bike there than to drive and find | 01:01:05 | |
| parking. And so I think there's gonna be a lot of people as this gets built out and programs more heavily. | 01:01:12 | |
| A lot of people from the southern part of the city will drive, will bike or scooter or. | 01:01:19 | |
| Walk even to the north, and so if there's places to park their bikes, I think that would alleviate a lot of the concern for car | 01:01:24 | |
| parking. They use things like that. So to answer your I mean this as far as the residential unis go in 18 C there are two | 01:01:32 | |
| different bike areas. I thought the bike plan I I put on the agenda kinda showed more detail, but right here there's a a giant | 01:01:39 | |
| kind of bike storage like locker room, umm and then in this corner down. | 01:01:47 | |
| Here or is it 13 that has the bike shop? It's 13. So down here you have a kind of a workshop area where you need to change your | 01:01:54 | |
| flat tire. There's, you know, tools and you know, so these these blocks do include 4. But you're right that that as far as | 01:02:03 | |
| visitors go, the sites don't really acknowledge that as much as they do for residents of development. | 01:02:11 | |
| And and, and in a broader context to kind of expound on that, that we're looking at pedestrians by. | 01:02:20 | |
| Uh, but we're also trying, we, we're working with the fire Marshall, but not only their truck access, but if they have ambulance | 01:02:27 | |
| where, you know, good staging areas. We're, we're trying to like, where did deliveries come? How do we handle that? How stressed? | 01:02:34 | |
| So we're, we're really, I think it's a valid point where you're saying, but we're trying to find all those right places and blend | 01:02:40 | |
| all that together, umm, on each of these blocks. Yeah. I was just talking to our consultant team on September through 18 T or 13. | 01:02:47 | |
| The UMM but there I think there's like 16 bike racks located on one of those buildings. | 01:02:54 | |
| I would imagine that the other building has about the same and I'm just looking at these enough. I don't think we've cited those | 01:03:02 | |
| by friendships, but when we come back in, we'll make sure we point those out and you can call them out. Cool. | 01:03:09 | |
| Thanks, Kayden. All right. Thank you guys so much. Yeah, thank you. Looks great. Yeah, I did see it back here. | 01:03:16 | |
| Yeah, uh, a little bit more on the kind of approval for these next projects, uh, 13 CI believe the 13 C is platted, umm, just | 01:03:25 | |
| fine. So there's no issues with that going forward. Umm, I think there might have been some uh, comments about the elevation. Uh, | 01:03:32 | |
| the, the downtown code, umm, has a pretty strict transparency requirement for ground floor that if a, a building is facing a | 01:03:39 | |
| street and has to have at least 35% umm, transparency material like the glass. And I think there might have been a few. | 01:03:47 | |
| Umm, because we do have to get those platting umm issues worked out as well as uh on those 13 and 18. There were also some | 01:04:25 | |
| transparency issues that that we need to resolve with them. Umm, so so we just wanted to bring them early so you guys to get a | 01:04:33 | |
| good view on and get some comments and thank you guys yeah all right moving on to item 6.4, the Vengeance Fire station #35. | 01:04:41 | |
| OK. | 01:04:50 | |
| Great. So yeah, this is another work session item. | 01:04:53 | |
| Umm, this is for the fire station that's going to be located over in the Cottonwood neighborhood. Umm, we finally have received | 01:04:56 | |
| all the, the drawings, umm, from the, the builder. Umm, So this is, I believe the Princeton plan that you might see in that | 01:05:02 | |
| neighborhood. Umm, it has a three car garage associated with it as well as a detached garage, umm, that we just got the running | 01:05:08 | |
| rates today on. Otherwise this would have been a business item for approval, but we didn't have those renderings, uh, or the, the | 01:05:13 | |
| elevations for those garages yet. | 01:05:19 | |
| So I won't bore you with too many of the details. Uh, one thing the these elevations don't show, umm, and, and I could be wrong on | 01:05:25 | |
| this. We'll, we'll try to clarify in two weeks. But I believe that the City Council did approve funding to do kind of a | 01:05:31 | |
| foresighted architecture build, umm, where it will have the, the brick wrapping the whole house rather than just kind of the front | 01:05:37 | |
| of the spot and then stuck on the rears in the same view or anything on that. | 01:05:43 | |
| So for product that they did brick. | 01:05:51 | |
| Excellent. | 01:05:56 | |
| To answer cash question. | 01:06:00 | |
| Around the whole facility to kind of reflect a red fire station. | 01:06:07 | |
| What is the size of the detached garage? Let me, I can pull that up to show you guys in just a second. Umm, it, it essentially | 01:06:16 | |
| it's, it's, it's a single car garage. It's a little larger umm, but it's a longer umm, and I and, and in two weeks we'll also try | 01:06:23 | |
| to get somebody from ornfire here to maybe give you a little bit more umm, details on how they plan on using the site. Umm, you | 01:06:30 | |
| know, when an emergency arises, you know what vehicle they're gonna be leaving, what garages and whatnot Umm, but I, I believe. | 01:06:38 | |
| They'll be parking their fire apparatus in that detached garage and possibly the ambulance there as well. Umm, anchorage of the | 01:06:45 | |
| fire station, House of the lot or the house, The land? The land. Let me see if this shows that I can find out in just one second | 01:06:51 | |
| for you. | 01:06:57 | |
| So. | 01:07:07 | |
| OK, so it's on, uh, it was two walks that we consolidated on, uh, to one lot, umm, one lot. | 01:07:17 | |
| Of one point or .169. | 01:07:30 | |
| There we go, .289 acres for the entire lot. | 01:07:35 | |
| 2nd. | 01:07:40 | |
| And we have a lot number or address. | 01:07:42 | |
| Uh yeah, uh, it's a lot. 6545 umm, does it have a dentist address on there? | 01:07:49 | |
| Yeah, we, we, we should have that information. So one thing to note that the house does face 80th South. Umm, so in that | 01:08:01 | |
| neighborhood, most of the houses are facing. | 01:08:06 | |
| Cake you would I don't know how to pronounce that yeah it's new it's something cakey would umm this house does not take any Kiki | 01:08:12 | |
| would Kiki one OK, Kiki 1 umm it it doesn't say that street umm and they did that so that the fire trucks won't have to be kind of | 01:08:18 | |
| rounding that corner. They can go immediately on the 80 S and then right on the 300 W hopefully improving the the response time as | 01:08:24 | |
| well the overall safety for the site. | 01:08:30 | |
| Umm. | 01:08:37 | |
| Oh, the address, it looks like it's 226 W 80th South. | 01:08:40 | |
| To provide that for them umm, it does have a sidewalk umm for ADA access off of Kiki Wood umm, right here. That then leads up to a | 01:09:15 | |
| door and automatic door right here that is also ADA accessible umm. | 01:09:22 | |
| Let me, I can pull up that garage if you want to see that. And we, we did have some comments about parking earlier. Umm, and and | 01:09:32 | |
| that's something I would also probably defer to the arm fire to kind of talk about umm because I'm not exactly sure their their | 01:09:39 | |
| usage on the garages. If you know if firefighters are, are going to be parking in the garage and driveway or not. But the city did | 01:09:46 | |
| umm put in some parking, umm, off of 300 W just directly to the West of this Umm. | 01:09:53 | |
| The idea was was to provide parking for the fire house, but also for, umm, trail access. Fortunately, we haven't seen a lot of | 01:10:00 | |
| usage. Yeah, that's fine. | 01:10:05 | |
| Side that that's happening umm and so we've been working with our public works and engineering team on on what we could do to do | 01:11:11 | |
| that and so it sounds like beacons that that can be installed that when the fire truck is coming out those beacons can flash kind | 01:11:18 | |
| of let people know umm and same thing we can talk to Orem fire when when they come in two weeks about uh people were concerned | 01:11:24 | |
| about like sirens with the lights going on umm in the middle of the night and and they. | 01:11:31 | |
| They're very aware of their surroundings as firefighters and they know that you know, if if it's 2:00 AM. | 01:11:38 | |
| They, they don't necessarily need to put their, their license firings on and wake everybody up when there's no traffic. Umm, do | 01:11:44 | |
| you have anything to add about the safety plan that, that we're working on or Patrick Cash? I've got a question about the safety | 01:11:51 | |
| beacon. As you mentioned. Would they be at the neighborhood entrance and exit near the fire stop signs throughout the | 01:11:57 | |
| neighborhood? | 01:12:04 | |
| They they would just be on either side of the the driveway for the fire station. | 01:12:12 | |
| Umm, same thing each direction. So when somebody's driving up to the fire station, they'll see the flashers. That's the plan right | 01:12:17 | |
| now. And then, and then we'll probably also have some, uh, tapes and embarking just to keep that area clear so fire trucks can | 01:12:23 | |
| pull out of there safely. | 01:12:30 | |
| One other thing on the site I I still mentioned is on the corner right here, we are going to be putting in a monument signed umm, | 01:12:39 | |
| that just says, you know, Veneer fire station #35 or whatever. Umm, that'll just look really nice to, to the neighborhood. | 01:12:46 | |
| Uh, is the curbing gonna be the same as the rest of the neighborhood? Are they gonna have something more flat? | 01:12:54 | |
| OK, interesting. All right. | 01:13:01 | |
| Oh, uh, let me pull up the garage real quick. | 01:13:06 | |
| That curve is already a it's already installed, but already my mind is like, it's a drivable curve. Yeah. So like almost 45 years, | 01:13:09 | |
| you're like something like that. I was just wondering if they were gonna want something more. | 01:13:19 | |
| Flat, but I'm sure for buyers, the curve in the first year, we can probably look at making that change like fire apparatus. That's | 01:13:29 | |
| one thing that they always seem to care about Spotify, trucks, the fire app or app. | 01:13:36 | |
| OK, let me. | 01:13:46 | |
| Yeah, I mean, this is not, this is a girl. It's a pretty basic rendering here. | 01:13:49 | |
| So it looks like the the height of the garage itself. I and honestly, I haven't given this a review. That's why we're not doing a | 01:13:55 | |
| business item tonight because we haven't had this umm, but it is. It looks to be a little bit taller of a garage door. The entire | 01:14:00 | |
| structures just over 24 feet. | 01:14:05 | |
| And then it looks like it's 50 feet long. | 01:14:14 | |
| No public, yeah. Uh, so we're, we're considering detached garage and like an accessory structure. And then our code does permit | 01:14:27 | |
| for umm, public buildings to go beyond the, the height limit of, of accessory structures if needed. OK. | 01:14:34 | |
| Without, without extending the set back, I guess, uh, it does actually, you are right. It does say, I think, and, and once again, | 01:14:43 | |
| I haven't had the chance to give this the, the official review, but it does actually require, I believe, uh, for every foot over | 01:14:48 | |
| the limit has to be a foot away, foot away. I'll, I'll, I'll double check that one and we'll make sure we have an answer on that. | 01:14:54 | |
| OK. | 01:14:59 | |
| Looks like it's not that it's not a concern to me, but it looks like it's like a 24 feet tall. It doesn't look like it's. | 01:15:07 | |
| Oh, that might be 12 feet away. Yeah, I I'll, I'll look into it and have an answer. OK, cool. | 01:15:17 | |
| Question about. | 01:15:24 | |
| We've estimated frequency of. | 01:15:27 | |
| Calls. Yeah, I can. You know, I might have to do this research or maybe you've heard, but I used to live near a fire station in | 01:15:33 | |
| Provo and it wasn't a big deal. It seemed like I saw, I heard fire truck pull out maybe every other day. | 01:15:43 | |
| Umm, what do you guys anticipate? What could we tell neighbors, uh, that they should expect? | 01:15:55 | |
| Umm, let me see if I can pull up. OK, I I actually just got the response. Umm, oh, they didn't give me the numbers, I don't think. | 01:16:02 | |
| So they, I was reaching out to on fire for their response time. Umm, just to give a little background, umm, the national standard | 01:16:12 | |
| what, what has been set, I don't know by what organization, umm is about 5 minutes and I wanna say 30 seconds, umm, for response. | 01:16:20 | |
| And we are currently at this year's 6 minutes and 23 seconds. So we're quite a bit above that. | 01:16:28 | |
| But the study that was done by CRSA shows a fire station built in this area would be able to hit an under 4 minute response time | 01:16:36 | |
| for most of the city. Umm, but yeah, I, I thought I had the, the numbers from on fire, but I don't seem to be by chance. No, the | 01:16:43 | |
| umm, number of incidents that they respond to. We'll, we'll get that in two weeks as well, yeah. | 01:16:50 | |
| Cool. Any other questions? No. | 01:17:02 | |
| All right, umm, cool. Yeah, excited to see anything in two weeks. I just want to add 1 one more thing. So in two weeks we'll be | 01:17:08 | |
| presenting this as well as a conditional use permit approval because, umm, that that land use currently does not. Yeah, yeah, | 01:17:14 | |
| permitted out. So we need a conditional use permit. So. OK, so if I heads up for you. Cool, cool. Sounds good. All right, moving | 01:17:21 | |
| on to staff Commission and committee reports. | 01:17:28 | |
| So is that what you think? | 01:17:35 | |
| So, umm. | 01:17:54 | |
| Earlier this week we we probably have mentioned to you before the TAG grant that we have received which is $129,000 to pretty much | 01:17:56 | |
| redesign Mill Road and also put together a way finding master plan for the entire city. So. | 01:18:06 | |
| We set an RFP out which was posted on Monday. | 01:18:18 | |
| Earlier next week, yeah. So we met with consultants that are interested and we're hoping to have umm, proposal, uh, submitted for | 01:18:24 | |
| selection and we will, umm, be keeping you up to date on that. The term Bicycle Advisory Commission will be very active with this | 01:18:32 | |
| project because it really impacts on the active transportation of the city. | 01:18:40 | |
| And the same reminders and the theme reminded me that, uh, we had a phenomenal. | 01:18:55 | |
| Trail umm repavement done thanks to our great engineering and public works team. Umm, let me see if that popped up here. I don't | 01:18:59 | |
| know if you guys have seen it yet. Umm, I have seen. Have you written on it yet? No, that's true. Have you driven on it? No, but I | 01:19:07 | |
| was surprised when I saw how big it was. Trail is kind of a rebuild of that trail that was right behind the locks in Tucker Row. | 01:19:14 | |
| Umm very, very wide. Umm, really beautiful. Umm, it connects. | 01:19:21 | |
| Uh, to this parking area is part of Pepper Row. Umm, I believe they, they had to do that for maintenance like a vac truck who can | 01:19:29 | |
| maintain the trail. They wanted to have easy access. Umm, and then it connects back under to the, the front runner station. Umm, | 01:19:36 | |
| and I, I believe this year we're also hopefully gonna start on the Tupperware pocket park design right here as well. Umm, really | 01:19:43 | |
| kinda revamp this. This area is kind of a great gateway or projects into vineyards. | 01:19:50 | |
| Sidewalks coming soon to connect uh, main. | 01:19:58 | |
| To well-being overtime, right? Mill Rd. yeah, yeah. So that, that's another good thing we've I've been meeting with you dot about | 01:20:04 | |
| that, uh, trail grant that we got from the state. I forgot Utah trail network where they gave the city, I wanna say $5,000,000 to | 01:20:11 | |
| do a trail all the way from the freeway and Orem all the way down to the lake. So we're, we're kind of waiting on the Utah Trail | 01:20:19 | |
| network. They've they're working on their standards. They want to make sure that. | 01:20:26 | |
| Retail they build for the state kind of fits within a certain model of width and material and whatnot. We'll definitely on the | 01:20:34 | |
| north side of it'll be on the South side. So the idea here is is it'll continue up right next to the curve on on video connector. | 01:20:41 | |
| Umm, it'll meet up with the the switch back here. Umm, and then it'll just connect into the sidewalk on the connector. Umm, they | 01:20:48 | |
| can't widen that. Unfortunately, they they'd have to go through Union Pacific to do that and that'll ever happen. | 01:20:55 | |
| Umm. | 01:21:03 | |
| And then it'll continue on just right here on the South side of of the connector. And it'll just end with the freeway like, you | 01:21:04 | |
| know, when you ride your bike to the freeway. Yeah. And, and then, yeah, as as far as as far as the how it'll connect up to the | 01:21:10 | |
| freeway, I have no idea. | 01:21:15 | |
| Umm yeah, but but it'll be great often times I, I see a lot of people walking or biking, umm, this section of the new connector | 01:21:22 | |
| and, and somebody who does it myself, it's it's horrifying yeah umm and the roads are not always in the best condition and it'll | 01:21:28 | |
| be great to have that that yeah, so and they. | 01:21:34 | |
| I want to say they probably will start construction next year. I've heard them say that umm. | 01:21:42 | |
| Yeah, the yeah, the you talked to our network considers our project. So already we're very low barriers. They can get started on | 01:21:49 | |
| it soon. So I think they'll they'll start once they have the standards, they'll start on the design and then get moving on it. | 01:21:53 | |
| Cool. | 01:21:57 | |
| Well, I think that's it from staff. | 01:22:02 | |
| Do you have anything? No, no, anything from the Commission? | 01:22:07 | |
| No, All right, if that's everything looks like it is, then. | 01:22:13 | |
| The same thing. | 01:22:19 | |
| So they seem to go for the worst record. | 01:22:25 | |
| Uh, uh, cash, I was, uh, kinda whe when, uh, uh, talking about the job network and, uh, so that's and still work. One thing that I | 01:22:30 | |
| just want to mention, uh, this goes towards production safety and so forth. Uh, the other workstreet team, uh, installed, uh, a | 01:22:36 | |
| new, uh, no turn on right sign on Main Street. Yeah, on Main Street and 400 N by the, umm, Freedom elementary school. Yeah, there | 01:22:43 | |
| we go. OK. | 01:22:49 | |
| Uh, so which, uh, which I'll go to go towards enhancing safety for uh. | 01:22:57 | |
| School children specifically, as well as crossing guards, uh, current, uh, currently Utah State laws, uh, a car may make a travel | 01:23:03 | |
| movement, journey movement as long as discussion is outside. So like their lane of travel. So in essence, it's lane session across | 01:23:10 | |
| the task, the reliance half the half the street, like hard to make it, uh, move my tower with, with all the kids that they're out | 01:23:18 | |
| there in the drive, uh, crossing Dr. that's been causing some, uh, that's, that causes. | 01:23:25 | |
| We'll keep close call conflict. | 01:23:33 | |
| So we installed it, we installed that sign on the street as well. So tomorrow, umm, excuse me, tomorrow they'll be doing a, uh, | 01:23:35 | |
| citywide testing of the traffic, you know, actually doing that traffic signals. But, uh, school flashers, uh, went to include the | 01:23:44 | |
| new school flashers that we received the last week of school last year for Vinod Elementary. So we have an upgrade for that. | 01:23:52 | |
| Uh, and we saw the upgrades, so we're happy to have those in our system, so. | 01:24:01 | |
| Yeah. | 01:24:07 | |
| Uh, reduce the burden that that a lot of people are are facing right now. So. | 01:24:41 | |
| All right. I just want to let the public know they're listening to this meeting. Yeah, but they will be. We'll probably start | 01:24:46 | |
| selling the permits, I'd imagine sometime next week. Cool. So. | 01:24:51 | |
| All right, cool. That's everything. | 01:24:57 | |
| Anything adjourned? | 01:25:00 | |
| All right. | 01:25:02 |