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| OK, very cool. Welcome everybody. This is in your Planning Commission. I am standing in for K Edmondson, who is absent at the | 00:00:00 | |
| meeting today. Umm, it is April 17th and it is 6:02 PM. Uh, we'll get right into things. I will give us an invocation and, uh, | 00:00:08 | |
| budget allegiance, alright. | 00:00:15 | |
| I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, | 00:00:24 | |
| indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. | 00:00:30 | |
| Thank you. | 00:00:38 | |
| Generally, father, we're thankful that we could be here today to discuss the things that concern our city. Please watch this will | 00:00:42 | |
| feel inspired as to the things that we need to do. We're thankful for those that are invested in the city that are, uh, trying to | 00:00:47 | |
| make this better place. We're thankful for, uh, those that volunteer their time and efforts and especially our umm, police force | 00:00:53 | |
| and fire. Uh, please bless them. We love you and we save these things and the name of Jesus Christ, Amen. | 00:00:59 | |
| All right, moving straight into public comments, Is there any public comments you can come up to the microphone? Have any comment? | 00:01:06 | |
| No. All right, we'll move into no consent items, business items 5.1, the GRMU office building site plan. | 00:01:13 | |
| OK, perfect. I have, I think I have all three items and I still, OK, brief presentation here just to give you some context of this | 00:01:22 | |
| plan and, uh, just as an update from the staff report, I've received some updated documents on the site plan and landscaping. So | 00:01:29 | |
| what you'll see here should be the most up to date accurate, umm, as to what has been committed. Uh, here's context for this. | 00:01:36 | |
| Where this location will be, it'll be I, I believe two blocks north of the Mr. Car wash right on Team Road off to the West. | 00:01:43 | |
| We're gonna have that Edgewater residential parking lot that they're working on right now. Umm, and then we just got a site plan | 00:01:51 | |
| for a, uh, auto parts store to be right here on the north side of the car wash. Another auto parts. Yeah, OK, so. | 00:01:58 | |
| Uh, to three blocks north of O'Reilly. So they said they like to be three each other. 3 units, yes, 3. | 00:02:06 | |
| So, and then directly north is, will be the, umm, office building, right? So here is the site plan for the like, like I said, it's | 00:02:15 | |
| most updated. Umm, what you saw on the Stockport didn't include this, uh, little landscape island in the parking lot. Umm, one of | 00:02:21 | |
| the original conditions of approval was they weren't provided the 20% site landscaping. Umm, and so they did take out some parking | 00:02:28 | |
| to accommodate that back here. Umm, and then they had to adjust some of the parking here. | 00:02:34 | |
| As well as they shifted the building and then you'll see right here they have the bike racks right in front of the building. Umm, | 00:02:41 | |
| as far as the site goes, they do have the, the zone. It's the DRMU does require a 15 foot uh, step back from Geneva road and | 00:02:48 | |
| they've provided that umm and it's all landscaped and looks really nice. Umm, one of the, the conditions of approval that I have | 00:02:56 | |
| on umm is about creating some sort of entrance off of Geneva Rd. Umm that will mostly be for like employees of. | 00:03:03 | |
| When we get that trail and we can work on connecting all of these, OK, Umm. | 00:03:41 | |
| Anyways, so like I said, feel free to stop me when, whenever, on any sides. If you do have any questions, here is the landscaping | 00:03:47 | |
| page. Well, oh, sorry, I I have questions related to parking. I wanna make sure you're Yeah, yeah, no, yeah, you can. Thanks. | 00:03:53 | |
| Umm, real quick, uh, total number of parking spaces, uh, I believe 73 and that uh, requirement is 71. So there are two above the | 00:04:00 | |
| requirements, Perfect. And that's the standard for any office building, correct? Yeah. Regard, umm, regardless of what tenants | 00:04:07 | |
| might be there, correct? Yeah. We, we have kind of a shell like office, uh, use in our parking code. I believe that's one for 250, | 00:04:15 | |
| uh, square feet of interior use. Perfect. Thanks. Yeah and they, they original, the original plan did so I think 83 parking. | 00:04:22 | |
| So like I said, with shifting the building and this landscape island back here, they did move out on some of them, but they're | 00:04:30 | |
| still above the code on that. | 00:04:34 | |
| As far as landscaping goes, they may not meet the code. They've done it really well, a really good job of of surrounding the | 00:04:39 | |
| building with great quality landscaping that meets our our standards. Umm, to the West here we do have that parking lot that will | 00:04:45 | |
| also have a four foot landscape buffer as well as a fence that they will border up against umm. | 00:04:51 | |
| But besides that, uh, yeah, it, it overall looks great on the landscaping. What kind of fence are they doing on that side? On | 00:04:58 | |
| which one? On the West side? Uh, I believe it's a raw iron on the, the, it's the parking lot. They're the ones who have to put in | 00:05:04 | |
| the Oh, they're the ones. Yeah, Yep. | 00:05:09 | |
| So here's some elevations of the building. Umm, one thing in the DRMU that does require the ground floor to get to contain at | 00:05:19 | |
| least 30%, uh, transparent glass. And they've met that requirement here. | 00:05:24 | |
| Time if it's lit up by like 10:00 PM or something like that. | 00:05:59 | |
| Umm, so the South and the north elevation. So the South elevation will have two, uh, ground floor entrances in the north elevation | 00:06:05 | |
| will have one entrance. | 00:06:11 | |
| And then here's the E salvation facing Geneva Rd. Umm, as you can see, there's, there's not an entrance on this yet. That's why | 00:06:18 | |
| place places as a condition of approval. Umm, and then we'll work with them when they submit building permit to get an update on | 00:06:23 | |
| that. | 00:06:27 | |
| That reflects that 15 foot genuine Rd. set back and the 20% requirement and they've done that as well. So then the other two that | 00:07:04 | |
| that we're including is an updated elevation page and site plan with each pedestrian walkway and entrance. Umm, and we'll have | 00:07:09 | |
| that we're, we're requesting to have that prior to the issuance, so the building permit. And then the last one, another kind of | 00:07:15 | |
| standard one that all site lighting will be downlet and light poles may not extend above 20 feet, which these current lines are, | 00:07:20 | |
| uh, compliant with. So. | 00:07:25 | |
| That is all I have if you guys have any questions. Applicant is also here. I don't know if they've joined on teams yet or not. | 00:07:32 | |
| Alright. | 00:07:38 | |
| Oh, I'm in a meeting alone. Mm-hmm. | 00:07:42 | |
| Maybe I sent them the wrong link, but it, it, if you could, umm, on the slides refer to the site plan again and can you indicate | 00:07:45 | |
| where that eastern pedestrian walkway and entrance is again? So we're, we're still in discussions with them of where that would | 00:07:53 | |
| best fit with the intended use. Umm, just how they split up the ground floor. Umm, and that'll happen usually at, at the building | 00:08:00 | |
| plans that they do the tenant improvements. They're gonna figure out how they wanna break up that ground floor, umm, and which. | 00:08:08 | |
| Umm, kind of side of the building would be best fit for that. OK, I, I'm, so it's, uh, just an entrance to the building and the | 00:08:16 | |
| eastern pedestrian walkway is just kind of a protected way to walk through the parking lot. And so, so the, sorry, the, the | 00:08:22 | |
| walkway is just gonna be, you know, a little bit of sidewalk weather. If you know, the door to the building is gonna be right | 00:08:28 | |
| here. It's a little sidewalk. It just goes out to that future trail. | 00:08:34 | |
| That their own consultant someday. Can you show the overall, umm, the map one of your earlier slides? Oh the contact, yes, thank | 00:08:41 | |
| you. | 00:08:46 | |
| Yep. So OK. Yep, that's context I needed. Thank you. Yep. | 00:09:21 | |
| Don't have any questions. | 00:09:25 | |
| No, any other questions? OK, I don't have any questions. I think building looks good. Uh, do I have a motion? Umm, do you need to? | 00:09:27 | |
| Is this a public hearing? It's not No. OK umm, then I have a page here. I think that's good. Uh, I, yeah, I'll make the motion. | 00:09:35 | |
| I'll move to approve, uh, the GRMU office building site plan application as requested by Joe 70 with Office Development Group with | 00:09:42 | |
| the proposed. | 00:09:50 | |
| Uh, conditions of approval that were shown tonight, including the two that were stripped off perfect. Do you have a second second | 00:09:58 | |
| all in favor? Aye, that passes. So just for the applicant, I will send you a letter hopefully tomorrow, five time, umm, just kind | 00:10:04 | |
| of outlining the next steps in the process. So. | 00:10:10 | |
| You're all good. Cool. Thank you. | 00:10:17 | |
| Moving on to item 5.2, the Eastlake Warehouse Lot 1 site plan. Alright. | 00:10:26 | |
| And once again, we do have our applicants here, uh, Brett and Chris. | 00:10:32 | |
| So here's a site contact of where we're talking, umm, off screen over here in the top left is the power plant that helps you. Umm, | 00:10:37 | |
| so we have 1750 is kind of that main road view, and this is where these two buildings will front. | 00:10:43 | |
| So here are the two buildings that they're proposing for the site plan. It'll be two warehouse buildings. Umm, I believe it's | 00:10:50 | |
| totaling, umm, just under 115,000 square feet of warehouse space. Umm, once again with our parking, we kind of have a, a shell | 00:10:57 | |
| building, umm, standard that I think it's one per 300 square feet of space in that parking stall. And they're, I think 20 or 30 | 00:11:05 | |
| stalls above that. They're providing umm, adequate parking, you could say umm. | 00:11:12 | |
| For the site. | 00:11:20 | |
| Umm, here's their landscaping plan. Umm, it it meets our standards. They're going to currently actually, if you drive up there | 00:11:23 | |
| right now or bike up there. | 00:11:28 | |
| Orvac, however you wanna get up there, uh, there, there is currently a fence along this road and they're gonna be taking out that | 00:11:34 | |
| fence and they're gonna be putting up a, a three foot berm and then putting in all this landscaping there to, to shield it. Umm, | 00:11:40 | |
| our code does require like all these parking, umm, spaces are shielded and they've done a, a good job of that. Umm, as far as how | 00:11:45 | |
| the site will work, you do have three points of access to the building. So you'll have the, the westernmost, the center and the | 00:11:51 | |
| eastern. | 00:11:56 | |
| And the center one is is mostly going to be for semi truck traffic. | 00:12:02 | |
| Because they have all the loading dock facing the, the center of the two buildings. So most employees or visitors will be using | 00:12:06 | |
| these two other entrances. Umm, one thing that we did want to talk about, umm, and, and we have been kind of working with them and | 00:12:12 | |
| we've put this just as a conditional approval so that we can umm, figure out the best way to do this is figure out this access | 00:12:17 | |
| point at the center. Umm, if you'll notice to the north, we have two other access points onto 1750 Umm, and then we have this S | 00:12:23 | |
| curve in on the road. | 00:12:29 | |
| Hard to, to align umm to either one of these up here as that would be kind of the preferred method. But as you can see, it's | 00:13:05 | |
| really hard to do that. Umm, and if you go along 1750, frankly, none of the businesses, none of the access points are aligned umm. | 00:13:12 | |
| So we're, we're just trying to make it as, as safe as possible. | 00:13:18 | |
| Umm, OK, so here are the elevations and I will note the question, Yeah. | 00:13:26 | |
| UMM have traffic studies and are returning radius studies been completed to make sure that semi trucks can handle that term | 00:13:31 | |
| turning left or right? | 00:13:34 | |
| We run them down there all day every day. That's a good, that's a, that's a better study than what you do in cats. So I think | 00:13:39 | |
| that's fine. | 00:13:43 | |
| Yeah, that, that road is very wide, 1750 is. | 00:13:50 | |
| Very well. | 00:13:54 | |
| They did a fine job. | 00:13:57 | |
| OK, No, I just wanted that on record that it can handle that. That's great. Thanks. OK, so here here are the elevations for the | 00:13:59 | |
| buildings. I will note the blue there is just windows, it is not blue paint. I just want to make sure that. | 00:14:06 | |
| Umm, so as you can see, it's, it's pretty standard for the buildings that are up there. Umm, they have a good use of changes of, | 00:14:14 | |
| of height of the building of, of materials of, of color. They've included the awnings there as well. And it meets our standards | 00:14:20 | |
| for the, the zoning district. | 00:14:25 | |
| And so here's the condition of approval once again, those same three, uh, paying the outstanding fees and red line corrections are | 00:14:32 | |
| subject to all federal, state and local laws. They must reserve all ADA requirements. | 00:14:38 | |
| Umm, and then here's that, uh, the applicant will work with the engineering department to determine a safe location of the center | 00:14:44 | |
| Dr. access off 1750 N prior to the issuance of building permit. Umm, and then the last one they just told me is they walked into | 00:14:51 | |
| this building. Is there, we want them to submit an updated site plan with the required bicycle parking in each building. And they, | 00:14:57 | |
| I think just emailed it to me prior to this meeting. So I should have that, but we can keep into the condition and it's fine. So. | 00:15:04 | |
| Do you guys have any questions? No, any more questions for me? | 00:15:16 | |
| No, I, I, I failed to think the last applicant. I'm sorry, but thank you guys. Umm, being responsive to staff comments and. | 00:15:21 | |
| Something pretty a good job. I do wanna ask, uh, do you guys have a rough estimate of when you do wanna start construction and | 00:15:29 | |
| tomorrow, OK. | 00:15:33 | |
| So we're gonna put this off? | 00:15:39 | |
| We'll continue this. | 00:15:45 | |
| My son went to the, uh, what was three, uh, halfway open up on the 1003. Yeah, yeah. So. So yeah, it'll work for you soon. Yeah. | 00:15:47 | |
| It's gotta be your family, right? No, but what? | 00:15:54 | |
| Yeah, well, the reason I wanna thank you for this is some people might not look at like warehouse type things as saying, oh, | 00:16:03 | |
| that's the sexiest settlement to come into our city, but it's jobs and you know, and that's the most important thing right now. | 00:16:09 | |
| And so that's why I will always support, uh, things like that because diversity of jobs brings diversity of community and that's | 00:16:15 | |
| whatever community drives on. So thank you for that. So with that, I, I do move to approve this. | 00:16:22 | |
| Mm-hmm. | 00:16:29 | |
| That's why I wanna make sure you hear it. | 00:16:31 | |
| So I move to approve the East Lake warehouse, uh, Lot 1 site plan application as requested by uh, Chris Kephart and Brett Wood | 00:16:35 | |
| with the conditions of approval that have been presented by staff tonight. Awesome. Thank you. Nate. Do I have a second? | 00:16:41 | |
| Second Brad all in favor Aye, aye. All right, cool. Thank you guys once again I'll I'll send you guys a letter just an e-mail that | 00:16:50 | |
| outline some of the next step you guys know what to do on that so. | 00:16:56 | |
| OK. Thank you. Have a good night. All right, moving on to 5.3, the Orchard site plan amendment, we have cruising for you. | 00:17:03 | |
| That's what it doesn't look like the applicant is here, unfortunately. Umm, this is 30 more conditions. So this is home center | 00:17:12 | |
| construction. We have uh, Michaelson, umm, and then Karen's playmaker, I believe is the applicant here. Umm, so a little | 00:17:18 | |
| background on this site plan amendment is back. Uh, a few months ago they were requesting some certificate, certificates of | 00:17:24 | |
| occupancy on the townhomes, umm, that are just off the center street right by the center St. overpass. Umm, and as Anthony and I | 00:17:30 | |
| went out there to do our inspection. | 00:17:36 | |
| We know that the landscaping was completely different than what was approved back in 2016, so. | 00:17:42 | |
| Price So we, we held them up on, on that, uh, certificate of occupancy until they get the pipeline amendment approved or they | 00:17:50 | |
| provided a bond and they, they did go with the bond. This is something we, I don't think we can do anymore. Umm, so they didn't | 00:17:55 | |
| provide that bond and essentially they want their money back. Umm, and so we're just gonna go over the, the landscaping here. What | 00:18:01 | |
| I did is I broke this up into full quadrant because it's, it's a very detailed plan and that way you can kind of see the, the | 00:18:06 | |
| changes. | 00:18:12 | |
| Umm Oh, this is actually a good start to start with. Umm. | 00:18:18 | |
| I just looked at how much landscaping they originally proposed, which was 37%, and they're as built. So what is there now? It's | 00:18:22 | |
| 29.5. So it is down quite a bit. But then if you look at the bottom, the total number of grass and shrubs increased almost double, | 00:18:28 | |
| and same thing with trees, they've almost doubled that count as well. So while it is a less percentage of landscaping, it's | 00:18:34 | |
| essentially a lot more quality of landscaping. | 00:18:40 | |
| Umm so you can see less grass which is is also good umm. | 00:18:48 | |
| A little bit less stone mulch, umm, fewer shrubs, but a lot more annual. Umm, no, like wild grasses, a ton of roses. Umm, and | 00:18:52 | |
| you'll see that in the plan. It is, there's just a kind of plan. Good question. If there's less grass and stone mulch, then what's | 00:18:59 | |
| the pavement sidewalk? OK, so here's this first quadrant and, and what I did is it's like that like game you play as a kid where | 00:19:06 | |
| you have like 2 images and you have to find what's different. | 00:19:13 | |
| That's what I did here to hopefully show you everything highlighted in red. | 00:19:22 | |
| Is is technically different, Umm, not to say that it's it's bad or good, but it is just different. Umm, the list is as built less | 00:19:25 | |
| is no less is what was proposed or what was approved. The right is going to be the as built Umm, and and also I would just went | 00:19:33 | |
| there before this meeting. I took some pictures. Let me see if I can show you uh, well, let's stick with this umm, and, and I can | 00:19:40 | |
| kind of go over these. So along with the the western side there umm, they had a large. | 00:19:48 | |
| So I believe shrubs, they removed all those and just placed a tree. Then you have those six trees right there off to the right of | 00:19:55 | |
| that. They replaced those with shrubs. So they kind of switch those. Umm, and you can see that in this picture here off to the | 00:20:01 | |
| left, you'll see all those screens lining it and then you do see the shrubs off to the right. Umm, going back to this, which trees | 00:20:08 | |
| are supposed to be next to the sidewalk then, correct? Yep. And now they're not right? Yep. | 00:20:14 | |
| Umm, the next circles are going to be umm, these three umm, sidewalks pieces. | 00:20:21 | |
| So essentially they were going to be connecting this development onto the sidewalk on the Center St. Instead they put up a six | 00:20:29 | |
| foot rod iron fence. And so by doing that, it removes all that sidewalk and just put in umm, landscaping. So rather than the | 00:20:35 | |
| sidewalk connecting here here, you know, it just kind of connects over this way and then down into this asphalt. | 00:20:42 | |
| Umm, And they used to have some plantings here and they replaced that with this little like, almost like patio. It's just a | 00:20:50 | |
| concrete area, umm. | 00:20:54 | |
| And they wanna keep them from running out into Center Street. That fence does a really good job of that. Umm but also it does | 00:21:30 | |
| really, you know, if somebody lives here in the first building and their kid goes to Franklin Elementary right over here, rather | 00:21:35 | |
| than, you know, a little walk down the street, they're having to walk, or frankly, Dr. since their development to get to school. | 00:21:40 | |
| Umm, But like I said, that's in the year. So we can discuss these conditions and I can propose them to them, umm, as part of this | 00:21:45 | |
| approval. | 00:21:51 | |
| Umm, other few things. The the buildings here in the middle kind of create this little courtyard. | 00:21:57 | |
| Umm, what's what's really hard to see on the new plans is because there are so many plans, it's really hard to see umm, the | 00:22:03 | |
| details. Where is this old plan? You know it has a big tree right here over here. It doesn't show it, but there is actually trees | 00:22:10 | |
| in that area and I do have pictures of these little courtyards. Umm, but it is a little different. So there's one section. | 00:22:17 | |
| That picture again and you can kind of see right here that that like cement concrete, sorry, concrete courtyard. | 00:22:26 | |
| Umm, here's the next section. So you can see once again they have these sidewalks that they just removed. Umm, and then this area | 00:22:35 | |
| right here, the landscaping is, is a little bit different. They, they don't have nearly as much in this quadrant as as what is | 00:22:41 | |
| right here. | 00:22:47 | |
| The next quadrant says to be the southwest once again, the same thing with the, the shrubs and trees that just kind of flipped | 00:22:56 | |
| those. The courtyard here is a little bit different and I think the next part should have a picture of that courtyard to give you | 00:23:02 | |
| an idea of what it looks like. Umm, some trees we're we're missing down here and then the, the sidewalk down here no longer | 00:23:08 | |
| connects. Umm, which is a little strange because they do have parking right here. | 00:23:14 | |
| Quite a bit of extra like desk parking and it doesn't connect at all. You have to like walk around a fence to get to it. Umm. | 00:23:20 | |
| So here's that courtyard so you can see they they have trees all throughout the courtyards and it is landscaped rather well with | 00:23:28 | |
| with some plants. Umm. | 00:23:32 | |
| And then this is that last section, umm, same thing, you know, the sidewalk doesn't quite connect anymore. Umm, this retention | 00:23:39 | |
| pond. At first I thought that that they removed all those streams, but as you can see, they, they have them on this. And so I went | 00:23:44 | |
| there and took a picture and you can see that's actually planted a lot of trees around there, but the new plants just, it doesn't | 00:23:50 | |
| look as big because they changed the shapes on them. | 00:23:56 | |
| So. | 00:24:02 | |
| That is all I have for them so we can have a discussion what what you guys would like to see if you do want to see some changes, | 00:24:05 | |
| umm, I can run it by them and, and let them know that you know they, they want that bond back. We need to see some, some changes | 00:24:10 | |
| if, if there are any so. | 00:24:15 | |
| A couple of questions, if that's OK. Could you go to the slide that shows the table comparing the approved idea? So that's like | 00:24:21 | |
| two, Yeah, umm. | 00:24:25 | |
| So that's showing that the approved plan originally had 44 trees and they've already planted 77, correct? That's a significant | 00:24:31 | |
| increase. Yeah, because at first I got really concerned seeing the percent landscape number go down this budget, right? But what | 00:24:38 | |
| they're doing is decreasing graph, adding so many trees. | 00:24:46 | |
| And a whole lot of annual. So, umm, while initially I would say I was really concerned that I'm looking at this a little bit more. | 00:24:54 | |
| I'm going well, maybe I'm not as concerned. It's not so much a we're decreasing as it is for changing, right? Yeah. And, and as I | 00:25:02 | |
| mentioned this, this is approved all the way back in 2016. And, and so a lot of things change. You know, I'm, I wouldn't describe | 00:25:09 | |
| this as a whole new designer who did this well. And I wanna remind everyone that the way. | 00:25:17 | |
| We think of how much water we use in irrigating grass is different now than it was absolutely as well. Umm. | 00:25:24 | |
| So yeah, I don't wanna speak for everyone there, I just wanted to call that out that it is a big increase in your yeah one area | 00:25:32 | |
| you can see like this is a good example. They had a lot of landscaping right up here and they removed those 3 trees and all the | 00:25:39 | |
| landscaping and put hardscape in instead. So that's kind of those areas where why decreased 7% was was areas like that. And remind | 00:25:46 | |
| me, are these umm, the, the townhomes? Are they gonna be on our occupied or are they rentals as of right now they. | 00:25:54 | |
| Rentals umm, they still look at all one big flat or they individually platted you. They are individually platted and the majority | 00:26:01 | |
| of these trees are in common area yes. So there's nature way or if there's nature way and they're they're working on there. I | 00:26:08 | |
| think they might have the billing permit for their clubhouse that they're gonna start constructing soon. It's been noticed I'm | 00:26:15 | |
| assuming OK, umm I that means also with all of this landscaping changes or. | 00:26:21 | |
| Additions that they're doing, umm, maintenance of it and code enforcement in case tree dies. When we wanna, we wanna make sure. | 00:26:29 | |
| We hold them to it to be a joy, not to the individual residents because it's something joy, right? And then there will always, | 00:26:35 | |
| even if they do switch to a more owner occupied, umm, business model here once again, it would be that HOA that still maintains | 00:26:42 | |
| all that common area. So I believe that clubhouse is maybe this lot right here. OK, that's where my comment. Thank you. Yeah, | 00:26:48 | |
| they, they are individually private. So, uh, a couple of things, umm. | 00:26:55 | |
| I will go back to the numbers of everything. | 00:27:03 | |
| Umm, I do appreciate that there are more trees as far as the caliper of the trees, is it the same all 2 inch, which is our, umm, | 00:27:08 | |
| minimum annual, uh, that's a huge number, but annual die every year We have to be replanted every single year. So that's kind of | 00:27:14 | |
| let me, let me show you I might have. | 00:27:20 | |
| I I might have missed. | 00:27:27 | |
| With those numbers, are the majority of OK? | 00:27:32 | |
| They're not animals, I mean, so I don't know plants that well. OK, I, I would've, no, I'm gonna say that's weird that they've | 00:27:38 | |
| given you a number of annual. It's uh, in my defense, they're they originally just had like one of these labels, just like three. | 00:27:44 | |
| I know that's not I need more description. OK, OK, alright, so here's yeah, this is a breakdown of of what there and you can see | 00:27:51 | |
| things red, red bus, eastern and the blue spruce that make up those 77 trees. OK. | 00:27:57 | |
| Yeah, O obviously our code enforcement officers can't go and count individual goals, right Flowers uh, could you speak 10 years | 00:28:04 | |
| from now? What kind of enforcement is done to ensure the landscape plan is for the most part consistent with what we see here? | 00:28:13 | |
| Yeah, unfortunately it is hard for us to to lever any tools to enforce that if. | 00:28:21 | |
| Their if their landscaping is in compliance with our code, which our code pretty much says you can have we above 4 inches. | 00:28:30 | |
| Umm, because what, what we essentially can do is if the development comes in and they submit this landscaping plan and it doesn't | 00:28:35 | |
| meet our standards, you know, as, as I go out there and I can count every plant to make sure that they're, you know, planting all | 00:28:41 | |
| 1000 big lilies or whatever, we can hold them to it. We right, right. But and then essentially that's where we can hold it to | 00:28:47 | |
| them. It's before we issue them that certifi certificate of occupancy. | 00:28:52 | |
| If we don't do it before, then it is really hard to hold them to these standards to make sure that they put place all these trees | 00:28:59 | |
| and they planted all these other plants. Umm, but our code enforcement, like I said, if, if the property starts to be in decline | 00:29:06 | |
| and they aren't taking care of the plant, then then we are able to to issue some citations to get them to do stuff. But mostly | 00:29:13 | |
| it's just make sure there's no weeds or trash. You know, we can't force them to replant all the trees that they've planted. | 00:29:20 | |
| Umm, if they all died, we just don't have that in our code to to allow that. I, I can check with our attorney to see if there's | 00:29:29 | |
| anything that yeah, that would allow us to approve a landscape time. Usually there's some power to enforce that landscape. Yeah. | 00:29:35 | |
| I, I, I can look more into that to see if there's something that we could do. So biggest concern is with that many trees, right. | 00:29:42 | |
| Once if it changes ownership, if it changes, manage management, making sure that they say, OK, well, rocks look good there. | 00:29:49 | |
| Sure, sure. Umm, and I'm kind of bound to that. The applicant's not here umm, because I wanna know why they didn't make those | 00:29:57 | |
| connections with sidewalk Uh, I. | 00:30:03 | |
| I think that the connection should be there, but if they have some kind of reasoning that makes sense and. | 00:30:08 | |
| And the team Patrick today by chance talk to you about these connections at all the that go from the the townhomes to Center | 00:30:16 | |
| Street, they have the sidewalk. | 00:30:20 | |
| Nothing. | 00:30:26 | |
| We have investment. There's a six foot fence now. | 00:30:29 | |
| Open up the fence and put in a gate. I would recommend putting in yeah we, we can put that as a condition that you need the exact | 00:30:40 | |
| same sensing material and put it hinge on it yeah So yeah, if you wanted to see, you know, maybe one on the the north side here | 00:30:46 | |
| and then one on the the east side here yeah we, we could do that as a condition. But yeah like I said, this comes down to uh, the | 00:30:52 | |
| side plan that they followed on this like cash. This thing was like. | 00:30:58 | |
| 262016 yeah. How many eight years, eight years ago, the one that we're calling that, that, uh, site plan. And then the other | 00:31:04 | |
| aspect on it would be that's, uh, doing, umm, sidewalk connection, sidewalk connections along there. Uh, I mean connections, uh, | 00:31:11 | |
| through there. Uh, currently, uh, see, I think before, when it was done, the fence was Jacobi City maintained. And I'll tell you | 00:31:19 | |
| what the city we want to have with you, uh, moving parts and so forth. | 00:31:26 | |
| There, I think we're working with them, uh, to have that, uh, make sure that that fence is uh, maintained by, it's, it's not | 00:31:34 | |
| already maintained by the HOA. How many entrances are there into the community, into the community itself, uh, into the | 00:31:40 | |
| neighborhood. There's this one, essentially, there is this one down here, but it, I don't think it goes anywhere right now. So | 00:31:47 | |
| this is that main entrance right here. | 00:31:53 | |
| Yeah, the other aspect here again, it kinda comes down to the, uh, to the, the development so forth. So. | 00:32:00 | |
| Having a sense sometimes having a fence right behind your uh, like umm. | 00:32:07 | |
| Might kind of share a backyard, umm, may not be as attractive as well. Uh, and uh, I mean, people have personal preferences on, | 00:32:14 | |
| you know, uh, access and so forth. Uh, I know my backyard where all the kids are going through. I've been not allowed out and my, | 00:32:21 | |
| that's my personal, uh, my personal health. The original plan, did they have gates and they were removed? No, I don't believe | 00:32:28 | |
| there's a fence on the original plan. My understanding is no, it has a public seat. | 00:32:36 | |
| Additionally, I imagine public safety review the plans. | 00:32:43 | |
| Back in 2016? I would hope so. That's before I think Verizon 2016. | 00:32:47 | |
| So my reason for asking that is I'd love to hear Fryer's opinion on having them. So the, the whole development will it has the, | 00:32:58 | |
| let's see if I, yeah, typically the fire, when the fire department, uh, reviews access and so forth, they review the main roads, | 00:33:05 | |
| uh, through to be accessing it from off center St. uh, percentage. It was, uh, they were as long as, umm. | 00:33:13 | |
| The fire department has access from the internal St. that's. | 00:33:21 | |
| To our, uh, to keep to me and so forth and accessible by FI accessible for early fire trucks. Now there is oftentimes that the | 00:33:54 | |
| those connections were not even noticeable from by anybody else. No vehicle, no productions. We even know that there was answers | 00:34:01 | |
| there. The fire department was the ones who actually knew that it was back, way back entrance. I understand. I was just trying to | 00:34:07 | |
| see if they waited on this and if there is sufficient. Yeah. | 00:34:13 | |
| For the bill in the background, I mean, they do the billing permits every time they do the billing permits, uh, uh, regardless of | 00:34:21 | |
| how old, uh, how old, uh. | 00:34:25 | |
| May have been approved every time they pull billing permit. Uh, the fire department is required to review that, yeah. | 00:34:29 | |
| So. | 00:34:36 | |
| Either way. | 00:34:37 | |
| And it's the fire department here in like my last fire departments where, uh, we ran our own vehicle maintenance, uh, repair shop. | 00:34:39 | |
| Uh, I always have fire truck inside there because they decide to run into one bar another wall. I, I say for fun, the police | 00:34:45 | |
| officers always have reason to run through cars. | 00:34:51 | |
| So I guess another question I had, do you happen to have numbers of like how much square footage is landscaped square footage | 00:35:00 | |
| versus how much isn't now? Because it seems like they added parking in some places that would have been so like a total site. Umm. | 00:35:09 | |
| I don't think that this site plan let me actually pull this back up and see if this shows it. | 00:35:19 | |
| Yeah, as you can see, like they added this parking right here and the ad built and that doesn't even exist in this section, umm, | 00:35:30 | |
| on the, the, the approved plans, because I think that's part of the different pod. Umm and so this section, I don't believe they | 00:35:36 | |
| added any additional parking and they removed landscaping for parking. Yeah, the only the part that I was just mostly noticing is | 00:35:43 | |
| on the South side. | 00:35:50 | |
| Development, They added angled parking where they had parallel parking. Oh, right here, right by building 12. Yeah. And I feel | 00:35:58 | |
| like there's one more spot. | 00:36:03 | |
| Adjust to the West of there. | 00:36:10 | |
| Like the numbers don't make sense to me. | 00:36:43 | |
| Uh, with. | 00:36:48 | |
| If you go back to the numbers and everything, it shows the rock and the. | 00:36:50 | |
| Stone mulch. Umm yeah, them getting rid of that much grass and stone also. I just wasn't seeing it, but let me. | 00:36:55 | |
| This gives you a breakdown of the. | 00:37:06 | |
| All of the the different types of UMM area within that and do they have that for both? I, I let me look to see if I can find that | 00:37:10 | |
| real quick today UMM approved one. | 00:37:15 | |
| OK, yeah, I see it. | 00:37:32 | |
| I have salt on here. Yeah, I was gonna say, I think that they didn't include asphalt or hearts like sidewalks on there. | 00:37:36 | |
| Umm. | 00:37:48 | |
| Because you're right, I think that is a what, like a 16,000 square feet different. | 00:37:53 | |
| And I'm, yeah, I'm, I don't wanna see. I'm not exactly sure where that that is made-up because I'm sure it's not just sidewalk, | 00:38:00 | |
| OK. | 00:38:04 | |
| And again, it would be awesome if the developer was here so that we could ask them these questions. Uh. | 00:38:09 | |
| Do you guys have any questions? Uh, I just wanted to echo the connections question. Just I feel like that's something that I would | 00:38:19 | |
| love to see more of in the city at in general and would love to know why those were related. And kind of on a similar note, I | 00:38:27 | |
| don't know how updated this images on Google Maps, but just the one entrance that does exist, the sidewalk. | 00:38:35 | |
| Comes in and then ends, and there's no great pedestrian access into the. | 00:38:44 | |
| Into the development so you the sidewalk ends and then you have to looks like you have to go on the street and then through the | 00:38:52 | |
| parking lot. So yeah, it does so it does look like looking at their plans here there this is the sidewalk you're talking about | 00:38:59 | |
| just ends there and then to get into the development you're walking up the street. Yeah, there, yeah, yeah. So we can totally | 00:39:07 | |
| include that. I don't know if that's something that can change, but I just would like to see essentially this is. | 00:39:14 | |
| We we can put any conditions that that we feel would would improve this. | 00:39:21 | |
| Umm, as they did, you know, do all this construction without following the original approval. Umm, So yeah, whatever, whatever you | 00:39:26 | |
| guys think is best. I think. I mean, access to Center Street is one thing that I also think that if we could make the pedestrian | 00:39:32 | |
| access on the main entrance that does exist better, then I think that would be a win too. Is there something in specific that you | 00:39:38 | |
| want to see, whether it's like a crosswalk or something? I just think so is this. | 00:39:45 | |
| This sidewalk right here, that is sidewalk, correct? Yep. So I I mean, even if this is connected into here so you don't have to. | 00:39:52 | |
| I I don't know. I. | 00:40:00 | |
| In my mind, it doesn't make great sense as a pedestrian. Like, if I'm gonna leave and take my dog on a walk, I'm probably just | 00:40:02 | |
| gonna walk through those rocks anyway, Yeah, Instead of go around on the street to meet to the sidewalk, you know what I mean? So | 00:40:08 | |
| I'd also be concerned about ADA access if I'm in a wheelchair to get to my unit. Yeah, I'm. I'm just looking out for them right | 00:40:14 | |
| now. | 00:40:20 | |
| They're really, there really isn't a lot of access like connection. Yeah. And even within once you're in there, yeah, kind of just | 00:40:27 | |
| go out to the parking lot and then. Yeah. And and everything here is very much like garage loaded. Like they do have these | 00:40:32 | |
| internal courtyards that, you know, if if somebody lives in this unit and you were to walk to visit them, you do have to like walk | 00:40:37 | |
| through here. | 00:40:43 | |
| As none of their front doors face the the external sure and then play with that. I, I, I think there's a place for those kind of | 00:40:48 | |
| developments and that's pretty and so I have no problem with that. We just I'm concerned about everything that's been said here | 00:40:56 | |
| everything. So it seems like we have a lot of conditions. I personally have personally, I would feel comfortable continuing it so | 00:41:03 | |
| that the developer can actually be here. OK that or if you feel like you've heard. | 00:41:11 | |
| Our concerns well umm could you have that initial discussion with them saying these are the concerns that well we would want to | 00:41:18 | |
| well we definitely still move it I just want yeah yeah I yeah I could yeah if we wanted to to move it to the the following | 00:41:26 | |
| Planning Commission meeting and I could tomorrow reach out to him and say hey there's some concerns that that were had umm and we | 00:41:33 | |
| want to see improved pedestrians connectivity umm to center St. also I think it's just Cortana Lane is the name of the. | 00:41:41 | |
| There, yeah, as well as how do pedestrians kind of enter into the development? Umm, we, we can absolutely do that and let yeah. | 00:41:48 | |
| And I don't wanna speak for everyone, please disagree with me if you feel differently, but I'd say if they're able to make some of | 00:41:55 | |
| those access improvements and walkability improvements, umm, then I wouldn't have a strong opinion on any of the landscape changes | 00:42:01 | |
| that we're proposing. Yeah. | 00:42:08 | |
| Uh, what do you guys think about that as as far as continuing it is? | 00:42:15 | |
| Yeah, I think, I think getting some more clarity on on these items would be good and continue. | 00:42:20 | |
| Uh, I move to continue to do I have to say to win or just the future meeting? Umm, we, we probably should say Dave, umm, as this | 00:42:28 | |
| was an agenda item. Umm, and the next one will be May 1st. OK. I move to continue. What item number is it? 5.3 the orchard site | 00:42:36 | |
| 5.3 the orchard site plan to the next meeting on May 1st. | 00:42:44 | |
| Do I have a second thank you, Kayden, Second thank you, Brad. All in favor. | 00:42:54 | |
| All right, just just real quick, are these two points good enough for me to get going with them? Umm, connectivity to center and | 00:42:59 | |
| Cortana, whether that's removed fence or put up a gate and and put in sidewalks, umm and then pedestrian safety entrance. So | 00:43:05 | |
| figuring out whether that's put in some sidewalk or a crosswalk or whatever it may be to kind of let people flow into their ship | 00:43:11 | |
| more safely. Yeah and if possible, if you could have some like square footage number I'm experiencing where that square before and | 00:43:17 | |
| after. | 00:43:23 | |
| Outage differences. So that didn't make sense. OK, I can do that. OK, alright, I have a clarification on a date for Wednesday and | 00:43:29 | |
| continue to May 1st, May 1st, 2024. | 00:43:36 | |
| OK. Uh, moving on to staff Commission and committee reports, does anybody have anything that they wanted to? | 00:43:45 | |
| So I know that Anthony has something I have something request as well. Umm, today Anthony I went and Flyers neighborhoods we will | 00:43:53 | |
| be having, uh, next week at uh, hopefully Kayden got one. I got one. Thank you. Hopefully looks good. Yeah, looks great. Umm, but | 00:43:59 | |
| essentially, uh, next week the City Council will be voting, uh, to umm, purchase two lots in the Cottonwood neighborhood to put up | 00:44:05 | |
| a fire house. | 00:44:11 | |
| Umm And so that'll happen at City Council and then the following week, hopefully it'll be a finance on the 1st we will be doing a | 00:44:18 | |
| site plan application. | 00:44:23 | |
| For that Firehouse that use the Planning Commission overview, umm, you'll see the renderings of of the Firehouse kind of how that | 00:44:28 | |
| function within the residential neighborhood. Umm, So yeah, we just invite, you know, any, any residents that are concerned about | 00:44:35 | |
| this or want to learn more to, to come to, you know, City Council next week and planning session the following week. Cool. OK, so | 00:44:42 | |
| Anthony, I'd like to be Anthony something as well. Alright, so, umm, yesterday I was hearing from the umm. | 00:44:48 | |
| National APA conference. | 00:44:55 | |
| We had that in Minneapolis and it was a great experience. I had the chance to meet with other partners from other cities | 00:44:57 | |
| throughout the, you know, the country. Uh, there were great sessions that I believe, you know, I learned things that would help us | 00:45:04 | |
| ready, help us as a city as we meddle through issues that we're working through, including, uh, you know, uh, you know, from | 00:45:11 | |
| zoning all the way through to umm. | 00:45:18 | |
| Code enforcement and how? | 00:45:25 | |
| How these, you know, other bigger cities have dealt with issues, for example, we are as a city, those might come to you yet we are | 00:45:27 | |
| doing some research on getting umm, scooters and you know, hopefully bikes in uh, to help with first mile, uh, you know, last | 00:45:33 | |
| mile, umm, uh. | 00:45:39 | |
| You know, trans transportation, micro mobility in the city, umm. | 00:45:48 | |
| Like, like Salt Lake, you know, it was dumped on them, right? The companies just reached out to the city and just wanted to do | 00:45:54 | |
| the, you know, the, umm, business in the city without Salt Lake City having any research done. That happened to many other big | 00:46:02 | |
| cities in the country. So some there were sessions where some of them shared how they have had to mitigate these issues. | 00:46:10 | |
| That the scooters and bikes, uh, came with, you know? | 00:46:19 | |
| And so the other cities that also share how they planned before these things were allowed to come into the city. And that's what | 00:46:24 | |
| we're trying to do just so that we don't have issues like these other big cities had. So the these and many other umm, ways to | 00:46:30 | |
| make our city run better from the planning perspective, where things that I learned that I hope to share with the rest of the team | 00:46:36 | |
| and many more. | 00:46:43 | |
| Thank you, that makes sense. | 00:46:49 | |
| I realize I have a, a few more things, umm, next week we actually have a pretty busy week in the city. On Tuesday we will be doing | 00:46:52 | |
| an open house, umm, kinda have town hall here at uh, City Hall. It is for the lakefront at Town Center, Villas Springs, Providence | 00:46:59 | |
| Deluxe, Tukaro Preserve, Cascade and Solstice neighborhoods, the kind of the, the northern umm, residents neighborhoods here. Umm, | 00:47:06 | |
| we're gonna have hopefully a few and council members here. We're gonna have some staff members here, umm, just to address. | 00:47:14 | |
| And concerns that people may have in those neighborhoods, umm, as well as that night, I believe this is an impact Vineyard, uh, | 00:47:21 | |
| award. Umm, and then Wednesday, oh, Wednesday is that City Council meeting with the fire station Firehouse. Umm, and then Thursday | 00:47:27 | |
| is the impact Vineyard fair at, I believe it's a freedom elementary. I could be wrong. Umm, but that one, uh, just each of the | 00:47:33 | |
| commissions, each of the, uh, departments has a little table at Freedom elementary and we just kind of go over what we're working | 00:47:39 | |
| on. People can come and ask. | 00:47:45 | |
| About, you know, the master plans that we're looking on kind of what what goes on a Planning Commission or a bicycle geyser | 00:47:52 | |
| Commission, Umm, and it should be a good time so. | 00:47:56 | |
| Any updated on the Postal Service box? I so Anthony is like the most charismatic man I know. So I asked him I can do it. And I | 00:48:01 | |
| think he's getting to the same place I did where they, they tell us they're running a study every time and that's it. They're | 00:48:08 | |
| like, we're waiting on the results from the study. So I don't know if they've told you anything different. So last time I was | 00:48:15 | |
| available earlier this year and I was, you know. | 00:48:21 | |
| I told them I'm not moving until I have some real news, so I was there for a while. | 00:48:29 | |
| So they had the manager come out and you know, speak to me after some time. Now what they the reason why they've been drug | 00:48:34 | |
| intestine is they don't wanna put a new box here. | 00:48:39 | |
| Because most of our neighborhoods have the umm, the mail in boxes that have an outgoing umm mail thing in it. So it's not a big | 00:48:45 | |
| case for them. And my argument has been we need one of the City Hall at least for people that come in or want to just, you know, I | 00:48:51 | |
| know probably not part of these neighborhoods. I want to build stuff. And they said that they have made again as cash there, you | 00:48:58 | |
| know, having a study. | 00:49:05 | |
| To move. | 00:49:12 | |
| A box that's not being as utilized as they want it to be. Umm, to our city. Hopefully. Umm, they said that should be completed | 00:49:14 | |
| sometime. | 00:49:19 | |
| In, you know, June. So I've given them some time. I haven't pushed yet, but I could probably go push them a little bit more so | 00:49:26 | |
| they know Jenna's getting close, OK. | 00:49:30 | |
| Alright, cool. Thank you Anthony. Thanks guys. Anything else? Just a couple of updates on our side. Umm, so the next phase of Utah | 00:49:35 | |
| City downtown has started at uh, phase 2C. Uh, the utilities are being installed, uh, there, uh, right now. Umm, so that's, that's | 00:49:43 | |
| just the phase just north of where they're building those buildings right now. OK, umm, and uh, they're kind of getting close on, | 00:49:50 | |
| on starting the park area. | 00:49:58 | |
| Between them as well umm Also U dot has identified a trail lung in your connector as a high priority trail for them. So it it's a | 00:50:06 | |
| trail that will connect uh. | 00:50:12 | |
| Uh, the, the lake trail, umm, come up by 300 W uh, to Vineyard connector and then follow vignette connector up to basically to the | 00:50:18 | |
| Interstate. OK, Umm, so that's a high priority for them. So that's, that's just starting planning, uh, cases, but OK, very cool. | 00:50:26 | |
| That's coming up Great. Umm, And then I just have a question about, uh, I don't know if it's phase three of Utah City or, but they | 00:50:33 | |
| have to have a parking plan for the entire development. | 00:50:41 | |
| And for, for everybody here, umm, and hopefully once we figure that out, then they can start enforcing the parking over there | 00:52:19 | |
| because those streets, the streets, you know, the front or they're all private. Umm, so, you know, if I grow up tonight, wanted to | 00:52:26 | |
| say they don't want anybody parked there. They could, you know, take some action, but they haven't. It says, uh, front runner UTA | 00:52:34 | |
| MMM. Do they have any plans of having more parking? And do they know that that parking lot is full every day? Uh, they, they are. | 00:52:41 | |
| I, I, I think every person I've talked to, they're very impressed with the success of, of the Vineyard station. Umm, I don't think | 00:52:49 | |
| they have any plans to increase the amount of parking there yet. I, I could be wrong. I've heard more long term plans say that | 00:52:56 | |
| again, I, I've heard there's more long term plans for both marking there. But yeah, yeah, as development, uh, happens around it, | 00:53:04 | |
| they'll add parking. OK, OK. Umm, just curious real quick, I can show you this. | 00:53:11 | |
| We can start on design and it's a construction in 2025. And is that like an asphalt trail then I assume? Yeah, they said that they | 00:53:49 | |
| this is a new initiative by the the governor. Umm, and I don't think they have their standards yet of, of what they want these | 00:53:57 | |
| trucks to look like, but I think they said they're aiming for a 10 foot minimum. So they wouldn't do anything less than that. And | 00:54:04 | |
| that'll go up over the upper pass I assume yeah. So one, one thing they brought up is that they they really don't like. | 00:54:11 | |
| Uh, the switch back that, that are there, umm, and so they said their trail alignment would actually bypass that and just keep | 00:54:19 | |
| going down the, the South side there. Umm, we're actually also looking at, at designing a little pocket part here, Tucker Row. And | 00:54:25 | |
| part of that will also be kind of figuring out how to better align that switch back and, and landscape that, that section. So we | 00:54:30 | |
| can hopefully work with the Utah trail network people to create a really cool kind of interchange there between the two trails. | 00:54:36 | |
| Cool. | 00:54:41 | |
| Platforms like that, completely detached from the road. Yeah, Yep. | 00:54:48 | |
| That'd be great if it is part of the greater system, if there's a pocket park there that I love the idea of having to move like | 00:54:54 | |
| amenities there. Yeah, I, I think we're, we've requested budget for this upcoming, uh, fiscal year to get the designs for this | 00:55:01 | |
| park. Umm, especially as the, the water pipeline project here is finishing up and they're, umm, finally gonna hopefully put that | 00:55:08 | |
| app back in soon in the next few weeks. | 00:55:14 | |
| Umm, and then from there we can look at what we can do to, to really improve that area. We, we have gone through all the processes | 00:55:22 | |
| to get, take over ownership of that land from the HOA though. | 00:55:27 | |
| Umm, I believe that's all taken care of right now. So the city. | 00:55:32 | |
| Yeah, it's being finalized right now where the city will will own it. And then from there we can work on these designs and | 00:55:38 | |
| implementing it. OK, cool. Yeah, pretty cool to have if the switch back goes away and we decide to do asphalt air that connects to | 00:55:44 | |
| that trail that runs along the railroad and to do some switchbacks so longboard on there. | 00:55:50 | |
| OK, cool. Thank you guys so much, Uh, if that's everything. | 00:55:59 | |
| Then we'll join the meeting. Thank you guys. | 00:56:04 | |
| Cool. | 00:56:31 | |
| Yeah, yeah. We've been in a lot of the other parts that we've approved. We've been doing kind of the same thing where there's like | 00:56:37 | |
| like along the lake, we're doing little pockets along the trail. | 00:56:42 |