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Welcome, everybody. This is the Vineyard Planning Commission. I am standing in for Tay Goodmansen, who is absent at the meeting 00:00:02
today. It is April 17th, and it is 6:02 PM. We'll get right into things. I will give us an invocation and Pledge of Allegiance. 00:00:08
We'll start with the Pledge of Allegiance. 00:00:14
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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, 00:00:24
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:00:30
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Generally, Father, we're thankful that we could be here today to discuss the things that concern our city. Please bust us will 00:00:41
feel inspired us to the things that we need to do. We're thankful for those that are invested in the city that are trying to make 00:00:46
this a better place. We're thankful for those that volunteer their time and efforts and especially our. 00:00:52
Police, force and fire, please bless them. We love thee and we say these things in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen. 00:00:58
All right. Moving straight into public comments, if there are any public comments, you can come up to the microphone. Have any 00:01:05
comments? No. All right, We'll move into no consent items, business items. 00:01:11
5.1 The GRMU Office Building Site Plan. 00:01:17
OK, perfect. I have, I think I have all three items tonight, so. 00:01:21
Brief presentation here just to give you some context of this plan and just as an update from the staff report. I've received some 00:01:26
updated documents on the site plan and landscaping, So what you'll see here should be the most up-to-date accurate. 00:01:32
As to what has been submitted, here's context for where this location will be. It will be, I believe, 2. 00:01:39
Blocks north of the Mr. Car Wash, right along Cheney Road off to the West, we're going to have that Edgewater residential parking 00:01:45
lot that they're working on right now. 00:01:49
And then we just got a site plan for A. 00:01:56
Auto parts store to be right here on the Northside of Mr. Car Wash another auto parts. Yeah. OK, so. 00:01:58
To three blocks north of O'Reilly. So they said they like to be 3 each other. Units. N 3 units, Yes 3. 00:02:06
And then directly north of will be the office building. 00:02:14
All right, so here is the site plan for, like I said, it's most updated. What you saw in the staff report didn't include this 00:02:18
little landscape island in the parking lot. 00:02:23
One of the original conditions of approval was they weren't quite at the 20% site landscaping and so they did take out some 00:02:28
parking to accommodate that back here. 00:02:33
And then they've had to adjust some of the parking here as well as they shifted the building. And then you'll see right here they 00:02:38
have the bike racks right in front of the building. 00:02:41
As far as the site goes, they do have this zone, it's the GRMU, does require a 15 foot set back from Geneva Rd. so they've 00:02:46
provided that and it's all landscaped and looks really nice. 00:02:52
One of the the conditions of approval that I have a slide on is about creating some sort of entrance off of Geneva Rd. that will 00:02:59
mostly be for like employees of whatever business is located here that they can easily access the the trail that U dot is going to 00:03:05
be putting in along Geneva Rd. there. 00:03:11
Do you mean access to the trail? Yeah, Yeah. So it'll be like Geneva Rd. Itself. Yeah. So it'll be like a sidewalk. I'm not sure 00:03:19
the exact location, but a sidewalk that leads to the trail. 00:03:24
If you look at Mr. Carwash and if you lose, they both did the same thing and you can kind of see on this site plan as well, these 00:03:29
two sets of sidewalks. 00:03:32
On the north and the South, they both just terminated the property line and then hopefully when we get that trail and we can work 00:03:37
on connecting all of these. 00:03:40
Umm. Anyways, like I said, feel free to stop me whenever on any of these slides if you do have any questions. 00:03:44
Here is the landscaping page. Well, I'm sorry, I have questions related to parking. I want to make sure you. Yeah, yeah, no, yeah, 00:03:51
you can. 00:03:54
OK. Real quick. Total number of parking spaces, I believe 73 and that requirement is 71. So they're two above the requirement. 00:03:58
Perfect. And that's the standard for any office building, correct. Yep. Regardless of what tenants might be there, correct. Yep. 00:04:05
So we have kind of a shell like office use in our parking code. 00:04:12
I believe that's one per 250 square. 00:04:20
Of interior use. Perfect. Thanks. Yeah and they originally the original plan did show I think 83 parking stalls but like I said 00:04:23
with shifting the building and this landscape. 00:04:28
Island back here. They did lose out on some of them, but they're still above the code on that. 00:04:33
As far as landscaping goes, they now meet the code. They've done it really well. A really good job of surrounding the building 00:04:39
with great quality landscaping that meets our standards to the West here. We do have that parking lot that will also have a four 00:04:44
foot landscape buffer as well as a fence that they will border up against. 00:04:50
Umm, but besides that? 00:04:56
Yeah, it overall looks great on the landscaping. 00:05:00
What kind of fence are they doing on that side? 00:05:03
On which side? On the West side, I believe it's a raw iron. OK. On the the, it's the parking lot. They're the ones who have to put 00:05:05
in. Oh, they're the ones putting in there. Yeah. Yep. 00:05:10
So here's some elevations of the building. One thing in the GRMU is it does require the ground floor to contain at least 30% 00:05:18
transparent glass, and they've met that requirement here. 00:05:23
This is the only one that I have, like an actual rendering of, the others are just. 00:05:30
Going to be the standard elevations, so that's the West elevation facing the Edgewater townhomes. 00:05:34
One thing to note, they do have a sign on this side. We'll make sure there's a sign, permit comes through that we put some 00:05:40
conditions on there that it it isn't going to be a nuisance to the tenants, to the people who live in in Edgewater, the residents 00:05:44
in Edgewater. 00:05:49
And we've done that with all the surrounding businesses we usually have like we require them to have a cutoff time if it's lit up 00:05:54
by like 10:00 PM or something like that. 00:05:58
So the South and the north elevation. So the South elevation will have two ground floor entrances and the north elevation will 00:06:07
have one. 00:06:11
Entrance. 00:06:15
And then here's the east elevation facing Geneva Rd. As you can see, there's there's not an entrance on this yet. That's why we've 00:06:18
placed it as a condition of approval and then we'll work with them when they submit building permit to get an update on that. 00:06:24
OK. So here are the conditions of approval and I included everything I put into the staff report and then I just struck some that 00:06:34
they were able to meet with these updated documents so that you know the standard they pay any outstanding fees or red line 00:06:39
corrections. They've been great at that so far. 00:06:43
They're subject to all federal, state and local laws. 00:06:49
They must observe. 00:06:51
All ADA requirements and then the the two that are struck, I'll bring those up real quick is going to be update the site plan with 00:06:53
required bike parking which they've done. 00:06:57
And then an updated landscaping plan that reflects that 15 foot Geneva Rd. set back and the 20% requirement and they've done that 00:07:02
as well. 00:07:05
So then the other two that we're including is an updated elevation page and site plan with the eastern pedestrian walkway and 00:07:09
entrance. 00:07:12
And we'll have that. 00:07:16
We're requesting to have that prior to the issuance of a building permit and then the last one, another kind of standard one that 00:07:17
all site lighting will be down lit and light poles may not extend above 20 feet which these current plants are. 00:07:22
Compliant with SO. 00:07:28
That is all I have. If you guys have any questions, the applicant is also here. I don't know if they've joined on teams yet or 00:07:31
not. 00:07:34
Right, people, I'm in a meeting alone. 00:07:39
Maybe I sent them the wrong link? 00:07:44
But if you could on the slides refer to the site plan again and can you indicate where that eastern pedestrian walkway and 00:07:47
entrance is again. So we're still in discussions with them of where that would best fit with the intended use. 00:07:55
Just how they split up the ground floor. And that'll happen usually at the building plans as they do the tenant improvements, 00:08:04
they're going to figure out how they want to break up that ground floor. 00:08:08
And which kind of side of the building would be best fit for that? 00:08:15
OK. 00:08:19
So it's just an entrance to the building? 00:08:21
And the Eastern pedestrian walkway is just kind of a protected way to walk through the parking lot. So the sorry the the walkway 00:08:24
is just going to be, you know, a little bit of sidewalk whether if you know the door to the building is going to be right here, 00:08:29
it's a little sidewalk that just goes out to that future trail. 00:08:34
OK, that they're going to install in someday. Can you show the overall? 00:08:40
The map one of your earlier slides. Oh, the context. Yes, thank you to show where that trail might be. 00:08:46
So yeah, this is the Geneva Rd. I don't know if Patrick knows much more about the the future alignment of this. I don't imagine 00:08:52
this part will get changed much, but they're going to expand Geneva Rd. I believe, to A7 Lane Rd. 00:08:58
And when they do that they're we're we're in the talks of putting in a trail on this. I guess that would be the West side of 00:09:04
Geneva Rd. 00:09:07
That would just, you know, front right along it. And we want to just make sure that all of our businesses have access to that high 00:09:12
end to that sidewalk. Ultimately, we can call it a trail. Yep. So okay. Yep. That's context I needed. Thank you. Yep. 00:09:18
Brad, any questions? 00:09:24
No. 00:09:27
Any other questions, Hank? OK, I didn't have any questions. I think building looks good. Do I have a motion? 00:09:28
Do you need to Is this a public hearing? 00:09:36
This one's not it's not OK. 00:09:38
Then I have a page here I think. 00:09:41
It's good I. 00:09:45
Yeah, I'll make the motion. I'll move to approve the Gru office building site. 00:09:47
Plan application as requested by Jill Genesee without this development group, with the proposed conditions of approval that were 00:09:51
shown tonight, including the two that were stricken off perfect. 00:09:57
Second. Second. All in favor, Aye. All right. 00:10:03
That passes. So just for the applicant, I will send you a letter hopefully tomorrow five time, just kind of outlining the next 00:10:07
steps in the process, so. 00:10:11
You're all good. Cool. Thank you. Did cash just use the gavel? Does he authorized to do that? Get out of here. All right, moving 00:10:16
on to item 5.2, the Eastlake warehouse Lot 1 site plan. All right. 00:10:23
And once again, we do have our applicants here, Brett and Chris. 00:10:32
So here's a site context of where we're talking off screen over here in the top left is the power plant if that helps you. So we 00:10:36
have 1750s kind of that main road here and this is where these two buildings will front. 00:10:42
So here are the two buildings that they're proposing for the site plan. It will be two warehouse buildings. 00:10:50
I believe it's totaling. 00:10:55
Just under 115,000 square feet of warehouse space. 00:10:58
Once again, with our parking, we kind of have a shell building. 00:11:02
Standard that I think it's one per 300 square feet of space then depth parking stall and there I think 20 or 30 stalls above that. 00:11:06
So they're providing. 00:11:11
Adequate parking, you could say. 00:11:17
For the site. 00:11:19
Here's their landscaping plan. It meets our standards they're going to currently actually, if you drive up there right now or bike 00:11:24
up there. 00:11:28
Or walk however you want to get up there. There is currently a fence along this road and they are going to be taking out that 00:11:34
fence and they're going to be putting up a three foot berm and then putting in all of this landscaping there to to shield it. Our 00:11:40
code does require like all these parking spaces are shielded and they've done a good job at that. 00:11:46
As far as how the site will work, you do have three points of access to the building, so you'll have the the westernmost center 00:11:52
and the eastern. 00:11:56
The center one is mostly going to be for semi truck traffic as they have all the loading docks facing the center of the two 00:12:01
buildings. So most employees or visitors will be using these two other entrances. 00:12:07
One thing that we did want to talk about and and we have been kind of working with them and we've put this just as a conditional 00:12:14
of approval so that we can figure out the best way to do this is figure out this access point at the center. If you'll notice to 00:12:19
the north, we have two other access points onto 1750. 00:12:25
And then we have this S curve in on the road and then we have this access point which like I said is mostly going to be used by 00:12:31
semi trucks for deliveries. 00:12:35
And we just want to make sure that this entrance is as safe as possible for all users, whether it's people turning or people 00:12:41
driving on 1750. 00:12:45
And so we've just included a condition of approval that they'll work with our engineering department on figuring out if we make 00:12:50
that wider, does it make it safer if we kind of bend it, if we relocate it a little bit to the east. 00:12:55
Whatever it may be to to just make it more safe. It is really hard to align. 00:13:01
To either one of these up here as that would be kind of the preferred method, but as you can see it's really hard to do that. 00:13:07
And if you go along 1750, frankly none of the businesses, none of the the access points are aligned. 00:13:14
So we're just trying to make it as safe as possible. 00:13:21
OK. So here are the elevations and I will traffic question quick. Since you're talking about traffic, have traffic studies and are 00:13:26
turning radius studies been completed to make sure that semi trucks can handle that turn turning left or right? 00:13:31
We run them down there all day, every day. OK, that's a good that's that's a better study than what you do in CAD. So I think 00:13:38
that's fine. 00:13:42
Yeah, that that road is very wide, 1750 is. 00:13:49
Very well. 00:13:53
They did a fine job. 00:13:56
OK. No, I just wanted that on record that it can handle that. That's great. Thanks. OK. So here are the elevations for the 00:13:59
buildings. I will note the blue there is just windows, it is not blue paint. You just want to make sure that's on the record here. 00:14:05
So as you can see, it's pretty standard to the buildings that are up there. They have a good use of changes of of height of the 00:14:13
building, of of materials of of color. They've included the awnings there as well. 00:14:19
And it meets our standard for this zoning district. 00:14:26
So here are the conditions of approval. Once again, those same three pay any outstanding fees and red line corrections. 00:14:32
They're subject to all federal, state and local laws. They must observe all ADA requirements. 00:14:38
And then here's that. The applicant will work with the engineering department to determine a safe location of the center drive 00:14:43
access off 1750 N prior to the issuance of a building permit. 00:14:48
And then the last one they just told me as they walked into this building is. 00:14:53
We want them to submit an updated site plan with the required bicycle parking at each building. 00:14:57
And they, I think just emailed it to me prior to this meeting, so I should have that, but we can keep it as a condition and it's 00:15:02
fine. 00:15:06
So. 00:15:10
Do you guys have any questions, Braden? 00:15:15
No any more questions today? 00:15:17
No, I failed to think the last applicant, so I'm sorry, but thank you guys for being responsive to staff comments and. 00:15:20
Making something pretty so good job. I do want to ask do you guys have a rough estimate of when you do want to start construction 00:15:28
and. 00:15:31
Tomorrow, OK. 00:15:36
Right. So we're going to put this off to. 00:15:38
We'll continue this. 00:15:44
Start with the what were three athletes? Filled it up on the one across the street. Yeah. So we'll be out of work pretty soon. 00:15:49
Yeah. We've got to feed our family, right? No, but what? 00:15:55
But yeah, well, a reason I want to thank you for this is some people might not look at like warehouse type things as saying, oh 00:16:02
that's the sexiest development to come into our city, but it's jobs. 00:16:07
You know, and that's the most important thing right now. And so that's why I will always support things like that, because 00:16:14
diversity of jobs brings diversity of community and that's what every community thrives on so. 00:16:19
Thank you for that. So with that I moved. I do move to approve this. 00:16:24
That's why I want to make sure you hear it. 00:16:31
So I moved to approve the Eastlake Warehouse Lot 1 site plan application as requested by Chris Kephart and Brett Wood with the 00:16:34
conditions of approval that have been presented by staff tonight. Awesome. Thank you, Nate. Do I have a second? 00:16:40
Second Thanks, Brad. All in favor, aye. 00:16:49
Aye, aye. All right. Cool. Thank you, guys. Once again. I'll send you guys a letter. Just an e-mail that outlines kind of the next 00:16:53
step. You guys know what you're doing, though. So, Yep, Thank you. Have a good night. 00:16:59
All right, moving on to 5.3, the Orchard site plan amendment, We are cruising. 00:17:06
Yeah, this one. It doesn't look like the applicant is here, unfortunately. 00:17:11
This is 30 more conditions. This is home center construction. So we have Michaelson and then Karen Slaymaker, I believe is the 00:17:17
applicant here. 00:17:20
So a little background on this site plan amendment is back a few months ago they were requesting some certificates, certificates 00:17:25
of occupancy on these townhomes. 00:17:30
That are just off of Center Street right by the Center St. overpass. And as Anthony I went out there to do our inspection, we 00:17:36
noticed that the landscaping was completely different than what was approved back in 2016. 00:17:41
So surprised. So we held them up on on that certificate of occupancy until they get the site plan amendment approved or they 00:17:48
provided a bond and they they did go with the bond. This is something we I don't think we can do anymore. So they did provide that 00:17:53
bond and essentially they want their money back. 00:17:59
And so we're just going to go over the landscaping here. What I did is I broke this up into four quadrants because it's it's a 00:18:06
very detailed plan and that way you can kind of see the changes. 00:18:11
Oh, this is actually a good chart to start with. 00:18:18
I just looked at how much landscaping. 00:18:21
Originally proposed which was 37% and they're as built. So what is there now is 29.5, so it is down quite a bit. But then if you 00:18:25
look at the bottom, the total number of grass and shrubs increased almost double. And same thing with trees, they've almost 00:18:31
doubled that count as well. So while it is a less percentage of landscaping, it's essentially a lot more. 00:18:37
Quality of landscaping. 00:18:45
So as you can see, less grass, which is also good. A little bit less stone mulch. 00:18:47
Fewer shrubs, but a lot more annuals. No, like wild grasses. A ton of roses. 00:18:54
And you'll see that in the plan it is, there's just a ton of plants. Good question if there's less grass and stone mulch. 00:19:02
Then what's replacement sidewalk and stuff like that? Yeah, hardscape. 00:19:08
OK, so here's this first quadrant and what I did is it's like that like game you play as a kid where you have like 2 images and 00:19:13
you have to find what's different. So that's what I did here to hopefully show you. Everything highlighted in red is technically 00:19:18
different. Not to say that. 00:19:23
Bad or good but it is just different. So the left is as built, left is no left is what was proposed or what was approved. OK, the 00:19:29
right is going to be the as built. 00:19:34
And and also I would just went there before this meeting I took some pictures. Let me see if I can. 00:19:41
To show you well, let's stick with this. 00:19:46
And I can kind of go over these. So along the the western side there they had a large row of, I believe shrubs. They removed all 00:19:50
those and just placed trees. 00:19:54
Then you have those six trees right there off to the right of that. They've replaced those with shrubs, so they kind of switched 00:19:58
those. And you can see that in this picture here off to the left, you'll see all those trees lining it, and then you do see the 00:20:03
shrubs off to the right. 00:20:07
Going back to this. 00:20:13
So the trees were supposed to be next to the sidewalk then? 00:20:14
Correct. Yep. And now they're not. Yep. 00:20:17
The next circles are going to be these three. 00:20:21
Sidewalk pieces. 00:20:26
So essentially they were going to be connecting this development onto the sidewalk onto Center St. Instead, they put up a six foot 00:20:28
wrought iron fence. 00:20:32
And so by doing that, they've removed all that sidewalk and just put in landscaping. 00:20:36
So rather than the sidewalk connecting here, here, you know, it just kind of connects over this way and then down into this. 00:20:41
Asphalt. 00:20:47
And they used to have some plantings here and they replaced that with this little like almost like patio it's just. 00:20:50
A concrete area. 00:20:56
I don't think I have a Oh yeah, so this right here is that 6 foot fence. 00:20:57
Are there any connections to the sidewalk on center station it's just Oh no. So that is something we can discuss tonight if we'd 00:21:02
like to see them maybe take out a section of fence and put in a connection. I as far as their entire site goes I do think it would 00:21:08
be beneficial to have some of that connection. They they do have people living there right now and and we could have you know I 00:21:13
could have asked them how they'd feel about. 00:21:19
That because some people might not like. 00:21:25
You know, if they have young kids and they want to keep them from running out into Center St. that fence does a really good job at 00:21:28
that. But also it does really, you know, if somebody lives here in this first building and their kid goes to Franklin Elementary 00:21:33
right over here, rather than, you know, quick little walk down the street, they're having to walk or frankly drive through their 00:21:37
development to get to school. 00:21:42
But like I said, the applicant in the year, so we can discuss these conditions and I can propose them to them. 00:21:48
As part of this approval. 00:21:54
Other few things this. 00:21:57
The buildings here in the middle kind of create this little courtyard. 00:21:59
What's really hard to see on the new plans is because there are so many plants, it's really hard to see. 00:22:04
The details Where is this old plan? You know it has this big tree right here, over here. It doesn't show it, but there is actually 00:22:10
trees in that area, and I do have pictures of these little courtyards. 00:22:14
But it is a little different. So there's one section. 00:22:20
That picture again, you can kind of see right here that likes. 00:22:25
Cement. Concrete, sorry. Concrete. Courtyard. 00:22:29
Here's the next section so you can see once again they have these sidewalks that they've just removed. 00:22:35
And then this area right here, the landscaping is a little bit different they they don't have. 00:22:43
Nearly as much in this quadrant as as what is right here. 00:22:48
The next quadrant, so this would be the southwest. 00:22:56
Once again, the same thing with the shrubs and trees. They just kind of flip those. 00:22:59
The courtyard here is a little bit different and I think the next slide should have a picture of that courtyard to give you an 00:23:03
idea of what it looks like. 00:23:05
Some trees were missing down here and then the. 00:23:09
The sidewalk down here no longer connects. 00:23:13
Which is a little strange because they do have parking right here. 00:23:16
Quite a bit of extra, like guest parking, and it doesn't connect at all. You have to like, walk around a fence to get to it. 00:23:19
So here's that courtyard. So you can see they have trees all throughout these courtyards and it is landscaped rather well with 00:23:27
with some plants. 00:23:31
And then this is that last section. 00:23:38
Same thing. You know, the sidewalk doesn't quite connect anymore. This retention pond at first I. 00:23:41
Thought that they removed all those trees, but as you can see they have them on this and so I went there and took a picture and 00:23:48
you can see they've actually planted a lot of trees around there. But the new plans just it doesn't look as big because of they 00:23:52
changed the shapes on them. 00:23:56
So that is all I have for them. So we can have a discussion what you guys would like to see if you do want to see some changes. 00:24:02
I can run it by them and let them know that you know if they they want that bond back. We need to see some some changes if if 00:24:11
there are any. 00:24:14
So a couple questions, if that's OK. Could you go to the slide that shows the table comparing the approved? 00:24:19
Slide two, yeah. 00:24:27
So that's showing that the approved plan originally had 44 trees and they've already planted 77 trees. 00:24:30
That's a significant increase, yeah. 00:24:37
Because at first I got really concerned seeing the percent landscape number go down as much as right. 00:24:40
But what they're doing is decreasing grass. 00:24:45
Adding so many trees. 00:24:50
And a whole lot of annuals. 00:24:53
So while initially I. 00:24:58
Would say I was really concerned upon looking at this a little bit more. I'm going, well, maybe I'm not as concerned. It's not so 00:25:00
much a we're decreasing as it is we're changing, right. Yeah, that's exactly. And and as I mentioned this, this was approved all 00:25:04
the way back in 2016. 00:25:09
And and so a lot of things change, you know, I wouldn't be surprised if this is a whole new designer who did this well, and I want 00:25:15
to remind everyone that. 00:25:19
The way we think of how much water we use in irrigating grass is different now than it was at 2016 as well. 00:25:23
So yeah, I don't want to. 00:25:31
Speak for everyone there I just. 00:25:33
Wanted to call that out that it is a big increase in trees. Yeah, one area you can see like this is a good example, they had a lot 00:25:36
of landscaping right up here and they removed those 3 trees and all the landscaping and put hardscape in instead. So that's kind 00:25:41
of those areas where why it decreased. 00:25:46
7% was was areas like that and remind me are these the townhomes, are they going to be owner occupied or are they rentals? As of 00:25:51
right now, they are all rentals. So is it all one big plat or are they individually platted? They are individually platted and the 00:25:57
majority of these trees are in common area, yes. So there's an HOA or there's an HOA and they're working on there. I think they 00:26:03
might have their billing permit for their clubhouse that they're just going to start constructing soon. It's been noticed. So I'm 00:26:09
assuming. 00:26:14
OK, I that means also with all of this landscaping changes or? 00:26:21
Additions that they're doing maintenance of it and code enforcement in case trees dies when we want to make sure we hold them to 00:26:28
it goes to the HOA, not to the individual residents because it's on the HOA, right. And there will always even if they do switch 00:26:34
to a more owner occupied business model here once again it would be that HOA that still maintains all that common area. So I 00:26:39
believe that clubhouse is. 00:26:45
Maybe this law right here? 00:26:51
OK. Those were my comments. Thanks. Yeah, they are individually plotted. 00:26:53
So a couple of things. 00:26:58
I will You go back to the numbers of everything. 00:27:02
I do appreciate that there are more trees. As far as the caliper of the trees, is it the same all 2 inch which is our the annuals, 00:27:07
that's a huge number, but annuals die every year and they have to be replanted every single year. So that's kind of, let me let me 00:27:13
show you. 00:27:18
I might have. 00:27:25
I might have missed. 00:27:27
Would those numbers be day lilies are the majority of. 00:27:31
OK. 00:27:35
They're not annuals. I'm being told I don't know plants that well. OK. I would have just put plants OK You know I was gonna say 00:27:37
that's weird that they're giving you a number of annuals because that's in my defense they're they originally just had like one of 00:27:43
these labels. It's just like tree. I was like I know that's not. I need more description than OK, all right. So here's yeah, this 00:27:49
is a breakdown of what they're and you can see these red, red buds, Eastern and the blue spruce that make up those 77 trees. 00:27:56
Yeah, obviously our code enforcement officers can't go and count individual bulbs, right? Flowers, could you speak? 00:28:03
10 years from now. 00:28:12
What kind of enforcement is done to ensure the landscape plan is? 00:28:15
For the most part, consistent with what we see here, yeah, unfortunately it is hard for us to to lever any tools to enforce that 00:28:19
if they're if their landscaping is in compliance with our code, which our code pretty much says you can't have weeds above 4 00:28:24
inches. 00:28:28
Umm, because what we essentially can do is if a development comes in and they submit this landscaping plan and it doesn't meet our 00:28:34
standards, you know, it's it's I go out there and I have to count every plant to make sure that they're, you know, planting all 00:28:40
1000 day lilies or whatever. We can hold them to it if we want to be that right, right. And then essentially that's where we can 00:28:46
hold it to them is before we issue them that certificate, certificate of occupancy. 00:28:52
If we don't do it before then it is really hard to hold them to these standards to make sure that they've put placed all these 00:28:58
trees and they've planted all these other plants. 00:29:02
But our code enforcement, like I said, if if the property starts to be in decline and they aren't taking care of the plants. 00:29:08
Then then we are able to issue some citations to get them to do stuff, but mostly it's. 00:29:14
Just make sure there's no weeds or trash. You know, we can't force them to replant all the trees that they've planted. 00:29:20
If they all died, we just don't have that in our code to to allow that. 00:29:28
I can check with our attorney to see if there's anything that. 00:29:33
Yeah. That would allow us to, we have to approve a landscape plan. Usually there's some power to enforce that landscape. Yeah, I 00:29:36
can look more into that to see if there's something that we could do. Biggest concern is with that many trees, right? 00:29:42
Once if it changes ownership. If it changes, manage management. 00:29:49
Making sure that they will, they say, OK, well, rocks look good there. 00:29:52
Sure, sure. 00:29:56
And I'm kind of bound that the applicants not here because I want to know why they didn't make those connections with the 00:29:59
sidewalk. 00:30:02
I I think that the connections should be there, but if they have some kind of reasoning that. 00:30:08
Makes sense? 00:30:13
Naseem and Patrick, did they by chance talk to you about these connections at all the. 00:30:15
That go from the townhomes to Center St. These have the sidewalks. 00:30:20
Nothing. 00:30:25
It's a six foot fence now, yeah. 00:30:30
Open up the fence or put in a gate. I would recommend putting in. Yeah, we can put that as a condition. We can even keep the exact 00:30:39
same fencing material and put a hinge on it, yeah. 00:30:44
If you wanted to see maybe one on the north side here and then one on the east side here, we could do that as a condition. So 00:30:50
yeah, like I said, this comes down to the side plan that they followed on this. Like cash was saying was like 6 years ago or so, 00:30:56
right, 26/20/16, So eight years. Yeah, how many? Eight years ago? So one, they were following that side plan and then the other 00:31:02
aspect on it would be that. 00:31:07
Doing. 00:31:14
Sidewalk connections along there. 00:31:16
All right, connections through there. 00:31:19
Currently defense at sea, I think before when was done defense was Scooby City maintained. And obviously with the city we want to 00:31:22
have this view. 00:31:26
Moving parts and so forth through there. 00:31:31
I think we're working with them to have that. Make sure that that fence is maintained by if if not already maintained by the HOA. 00:31:34
How many? 00:31:39
Entrances are there into the community. 00:31:45
Into the community itself, into the neighborhood. There's this one. Essentially there is this one down here, but I don't think it 00:31:47
goes anywhere right now. So this is that main entrance right here. Yeah, the other aspect too. Again, it kinda comes down to the 00:31:53
developer and so forth. 00:31:59
Having a fence sometimes having a fence right behind your like um. 00:32:07
Like I share it, backyard may not be as attractive as well. 00:32:13
I know. I mean, people have personal preferences. 00:32:18
On, you know, access and so forth. 00:32:21
I know my backyard. If I have a fence back there where all the kids were going through, I would not allow that. And my that's my 00:32:25
personal property, my personal. 00:32:28
House the original plan. 00:32:32
Did they have gates and they were removed? No, there was. I don't believe there's a fence on the original plan. I understand 00:32:34
there's no there was it has public. So originally I imagine Public Safety reviewed the plans. 00:32:40
Back in 2016, I would hope so. That's before I think Bryce is probably the only one. Were you in 2016? 00:32:46
So my reason for asking that is I'd love to hear. 00:32:57
Fires opinion on having them. So the whole development will it has let's see if I yeah, typically the fire when the fire 00:33:01
department reviews access and so forth they review from the main roads. They typically wouldn't be accessing it from Off Center 00:33:06
St. 00:33:11
Per SE they would, as long as the fire department has access from the internal streets. 00:33:17
That's that would be their primary thing. That would be their primary. 00:33:23
I'm depending on the type of structure. The structure is usually tall unders and they're not able to move earth like to the back. 00:33:27
Then that's when the fire department would require that. Typically the fire department would just require a fire access. 00:33:33
Which without technically does not technically mean it has to be open for pedestrians and so forth when I've done fire access. 00:33:40
For other cities like my city before to say before this. 00:33:47
We would have specific areas into to communities and so forth. 00:33:51
And accessible by Accessible for early fire trucks. 00:33:56
Now there is often times that those connections were not even noticeable from by anybody else. No vehicles, no pedestrians, but 00:34:00
even knows that there was an entrance there. The fire department was the older ones who actually knew that there was a back way 00:34:04
back entrance. 00:34:07
On certain aspects, again I understand. I was just trying to see if they weighed in on this and if. 00:34:11
There is sufficient ingress and egress. They do the building permits every time they do a billing permit. 00:34:17
Regardless of how old, how old the site plan may have been improved every time they pulled building permits. 00:34:24
So the fire department is required to review that. 00:34:31
So either way. 00:34:35
And there if the fire department here is in like my last fire department where we ran our own vehicle maintenance repair shop, I 00:34:39
always have fire truck inside there because they decide to run into one wall or another wall just sometimes for. 00:34:45
I say for fun, the police officers always had reason to run into other people cars. 00:34:53
So I guess another question I had, do you happen to have numbers of like how much square footage is landscaped square footage 00:35:00
versus how much isn't? 00:35:04
Now because it seems like they added parking in some places. 00:35:09
That would have been so like a total sight. 00:35:13
I don't think that this site plan let me actually pull this back up. 00:35:18
And see if this shows it. 00:35:24
Yeah, as you can see, like. 00:35:29
They added this parking right here. 00:35:31
And the ads built and that doesn't even exist in this section. 00:35:34
On the approved plans, because I think that's part of a different pod. 00:35:39
And so this section, I don't believe they added any additional parking and they removed landscaping for parking. Yeah, the only 00:35:45
the part that I was just mostly noticing is on the South side of the development, they added angled parking where they had 00:35:51
parallel parking right here and right by Building 12. 00:35:57
Yeah, and I feel like there's one more spot. 00:36:04
Just to the West of there. 00:36:09
I don't know if that's part of this, but there's parking in that just West of Building 12, there's parking there that wasn't there 00:36:13
before. Yeah. So that's the one I was mentioning. That one's part of a different right there. Yeah. So there might be landscaping 00:36:19
on that approval, but that's a different, that'd be under different building plan different. 00:36:25
Whole set of plans. 00:36:32
OK, but yeah, I I don't know the the difference in that angle between the angled and the the straight on parking right here, the 00:36:33
parallel, because it still seems like the numbers don't make sense to me. 00:36:39
With if you go back to the numbers of everything, that shows the rock and the. 00:36:47
Stone mulch. 00:36:54
Yeah, them getting rid of that much. 00:36:57
Grass and stone mulch. I just wasn't seeing it, but. 00:37:00
Let me so this gives you a breakdown of the. 00:37:03
All of the different types. 00:37:09
Area within that. Do they have that for both? Let me look to see if I can find that real quick for the. 00:37:13
Approved ones. 00:37:19
OK, yeah, I see it. 00:37:32
Yeah, I was going to say, I think that they didn't include asphalt or hardscape like sidewalk on there. 00:37:36
Umm. 00:37:47
Because you're right, I think that is a what, like a 16,000 square feet difference. 00:37:52
And I'm yeah, I'm in all honesty, I'm not exactly sure where that is made-up because I'm sure it's not just Sidewalk. 00:37:59
And again, it would be awesome if the developer was here. 00:38:08
So that we could ask them these questions. 00:38:12
Did you guys have any questions? 00:38:18
I just wanted to echo the connections. 00:38:21
Question just I feel like that's something that I would love to see more of in the city at in general and would love to know why 00:38:24
those were omitted and kind of on the similar note, I don't know how updated this image is on Google Maps, but just the one 00:38:29
entrance that. 00:38:34
Does exist the sidewalk. 00:38:40
Comes in and then ends and there's no. 00:38:43
Great pedestrian access into the. 00:38:46
Into the development so the sidewalk ends and then you have to looks like you have to go on the street and then through the 00:38:51
parking lot to. 00:38:55
Yeah, it does. So it does look like looking at their plans here, they're. 00:38:59
This is this the sidewalk you're talking about? Just Yeah. So it just ends there and then to get into the. 00:39:03
Development. You're walking in the street. Yeah. There's. Yeah, Yeah. So we can totally include that. So I don't know if that's 00:39:10
something that can change, but I just would love to see essentially this week if we can, we can put any conditions that we feel 00:39:14
would improve this. 00:39:19
As they did, you know, do all this construction without following the original approval. So yeah, whatever, whatever you guys 00:39:25
think is special, I think. I mean access to Center Street is one thing, but I also think that if we could. 00:39:31
Make the pedestrian access. 00:39:37
On the main entrance, that does exist better than I think that would. 00:39:40
A win too. Is there something in specific that you'd want to see, whether it's like a crosswalk or something? I just think so is 00:39:44
this. 00:39:47
Is this sidewalk right here? That is sidewalk correct? I mean, even if this just connected into here so you don't have to. 00:39:51
I don't know. I. 00:39:59
In my mind, it doesn't make. 00:40:02
Great sense as a pedestrian, like if I'm going to leave and take my dog on a walk. 00:40:04
I'm probably just gonna walk through those rocks anyway. Yeah. Instead of go around on the street to meet to the sidewalk, you 00:40:09
know what I mean? So I'd also be concerned about ADA access. If I'm in a wheelchair, how can I safely get to my unit? Yeah, I'm. 00:40:15
I'm just looking out for them right now. 00:40:20
They're really, there really isn't a lot of access like connection in there. Yeah. And even within, once you're in there, you kind 00:40:27
of just go out to the parking lot. Yeah. And and everything here is very much like garage loaded. Like they do have these internal 00:40:33
courtyards. If somebody lives in this unit and you were to walk to visit them, you do have to, like walk through here. 00:40:40
As none of their front doors face the external. And I'm fine with that, sure, I think. 00:40:48
There's a place where those kind of developments and that's pretty and so I have no problem with that, we just. 00:40:54
I'm concerned about everything that's been said here. Everything. So it seems like we have a lot of conditions. Personally, yeah, 00:40:59
let me. 00:41:03
Personally, I would feel comfortable continuing it so that the developer can actually be here. OK, that or. 00:41:09
If you feel like you've heard our concerns. 00:41:16
Well, could you have that initial discussion with them saying these are the concerns that, well, we would still want it to. We'd 00:41:19
absolutely still move it. I just want to. Yeah. Yeah, I could. Yeah. If we wanted to move it to the following Planning Commission 00:41:25
meeting and I could. 00:41:30
Tomorrow reach out to them and say, hey, here are some concerns that that were had and we want to see improved pedestrian 00:41:36
connectivity to Center St. Also I think it's to Cortana Lane is the name of the road out there as well as how do pedestrians kind 00:41:41
of enter into the development. 00:41:47
We can absolutely do that. Cool. And let. Yeah. And then I did. I don't want to speak for everyone. Please disagree with me if you 00:41:53
feel differently, but I'd say if they're able to make some of those access improvements. 00:41:59
Walkability improvements. 00:42:05
Then I wouldn't have a strong opinion on any of the landscape changes that they're proposing, yeah. 00:42:08
What do you guys think about that as far as continuing it? 00:42:15
Yeah. I think I think getting some more clarity on on these items would be good and continue the motion then. 00:42:19
I move to continue to do I have to say to win or just a future meeting when the applicants ready to resubmit? 00:42:28
We probably should say date as this was an agenda item and the next one will be May 1st. I move to continue. 00:42:35
What item number is it? 5.3 The Orchard site 5.3 The Orchard site? Plan to the next meeting on May 1st. 00:42:44
Do I have a second? Thank you, Kaden. 00:42:53
2nd Thank you, Brad. All in favor. Aye. Just just real quick, are these two points good enough for me to get going with them? 00:42:56
Connectivity to center and Cortana, whether that's remove fence or put up a gate and put in sidewalk and then pedestrian safety to 00:43:05
entrance. So figuring out whether that's put in some sidewalk or a crosswalk or whatever it may be to kind of let people flow into 00:43:10
their shape more safely. 00:43:16
And if possible, if you could have some like square footage numbers, I'm just curious where that square before and after footage 00:43:22
difference is. 00:43:26
Because that didn't make sense. OK, I can do that. 00:43:31
OK. All right. I have a clarification on a date for when is being continued to. 00:43:34
May 1st. 00:43:40
OK. Moving on to staff, Commission and committee reports, does anybody have anything that they wanted to? 00:43:44
I know that Anthony has something. I have something real quick as well. 00:43:53
Today, Anthony, I went and fired some neighborhoods. We will be having next week at hopefully Kaden got one, I got one. Thank you. 00:43:58
Hopefully it looks good. Yeah, looks great. But essentially next week the City Council will be voting to. 00:44:05
Purchased two lots in the Cottonwoods neighborhood to put up a Firehouse. 00:44:12
And so that will happen at City Council. And then the following week hopefully it'll be a plan on the 1st, we will be doing a site 00:44:18
plan application for that Firehouse that you as a Planning Commission will review. You'll see the renderings of of the Firehouse, 00:44:24
kind of how that will function within this residential neighborhood. 00:44:30
But yeah, we just invite, you know, any, any residents that are concerned about this or want to learn more to come to, you know, 00:44:37
City Council next week and Planning Commission the following week. 00:44:41
OK, so Anthony, like I said, he didn't think he had something as well. 00:44:46
All right, so yesterday I returned from the. 00:44:50
National APA Conference. We had that in Minneapolis and it was a great experience. I had the chance to meet with other planners 00:44:54
from other cities throughout the, you know, the country. 00:45:00
There were great sessions that I believe. 00:45:07
You know, I learned things that would help a city, help us as a city as we meddle through issues that we're working through, 00:45:11
including, you know, you know. 00:45:16
From zoning all the way through to. 00:45:21
Code enforcement and how how these you know. 00:45:24
Other bigger cities have dealt with issues. For example, we are. 00:45:28
As a city, those not come to you yet. We are doing some research on getting. 00:45:32
Scooters and, you know, hopefully bikes. 00:45:38
In to help with first mile. 00:45:40
You know, last mile. 00:45:44
You know, transportation, micro mobility in the city. 00:45:47
Like Salt Lake, you know it was dumped on them, right? The companies just reaching out to the city? 00:45:53
And just wanted to do the, you know the. 00:45:59
Business in the city without Salt Lake City having any research done. 00:46:04
That happened to many other big cities in the. 00:46:07
So some there were sessions where some of them shared how they have had to mitigate. 00:46:12
This issues that the scooters and bikes came with. 00:46:17
You know, and so there are other cities that also shared how they planned before these things were allowed to come into the city, 00:46:22
and that's what we're trying to do. 00:46:27
Just so that we don't have issues like these other big cities had. So these and many other. 00:46:32
Ways to make our city run better from the planning perspective where things that I learned that I hope to share with the rest of 00:46:40
the team and many more. 00:46:44
Thank you. Thanks, Anthony. I realized I have a few more things. 00:46:48
Next week we actually have a pretty busy week in the city. On Tuesday we will be doing an open house. 00:46:54
Kind of Town Hall here at City Hall, it is for the lakefront at Town Center Villas Springs, Providence. 00:47:00
The Locks, Tucker Row Preserve, Cascade and Solstice neighborhoods. So kind of the the northern residential neighborhoods here 00:47:07
we're going to have hopefully if you see the council members here, we're going to have some staff members here just to address 00:47:12
kind of any concerns that people may have in those neighborhoods. 00:47:18
And as well as that night I believe is the Impact Vineyard Award. 00:47:23
And then Wednesday, oh Wednesday, is that City Council meeting with the fire station Firehouse? 00:47:30
And then Thursday is the impact Vineyard Fair at. I believe it's a Freedom Elementary. I could be wrong, but that one just each of 00:47:35
the commissions, each of the departments has a little table at Freedom Elementary and we just kind of go over what we're working 00:47:41
on. People can come and ask questions about any of the master plans we're working on kind of what what goes on at Planning 00:47:46
Commission or the Bicycle Advisory Commission. 00:47:51
And it should be a good time. Cool. 00:47:58
Any update on the? 00:48:01
Postal Service. 00:48:02
Box I so Anthony's like the most charismatic man I know. So I asked him he would look into it and I think he's getting to the same 00:48:04
place I did where they they tell us they're running a study every time and. 00:48:11
That's it. They're like we're waiting on the results from the study. So I don't know if they've told you anything different. So 00:48:18
the last time I was there was earlier this year and I was, you know, I told them I'm not moving till I have some real news. So I 00:48:24
was there for a while till they had their manager come out and, you know, speak to me after, you know, some time now what they the 00:48:30
reason why they've been dragging their feet is they don't want to put a new box here. 00:48:36
Because most of our neighborhoods have the. 00:48:44
The mail in boxes that have an outgoing. 00:48:48
Yeah, mail thing in it so. 00:48:51
It's not a big kicker for them. 00:48:54
And my argument has been we need one at the City Hall, at least for people that come in or want to just, you know, I know probably 00:48:56
not part of these neighborhoods. I want to mail stuff. 00:49:01
And they said that they make again as cash that they're, you know, having a study. 00:49:06
To move a box that's not being as utilized as they want it to be. 00:49:11
To our city. Hopefully they said that should be completed sometime. 00:49:19
In, you know, June, so I've given them some time. I haven't pushed yet, but. 00:49:25
I could probably go pushing a little bit more so they know June is getting close. 00:49:30
All right, cool. Thank you, Anthony. Thanks guys. Anything else? 00:49:35
Just a couple of updates on our side. 00:49:39
The next phase of Utah City or downtown is has started. It's a phase 2C. The utilities are being installed. 00:49:43
There right now. 00:49:52
So that's just the phase just north of where they're building those buildings right now, OK. 00:49:54
And they're kind of getting close on starting the park area between them as well. 00:50:01
Also, UDOT has identified a trail along Vineyard Connector as a high priority trail for them, so it's a trail that will connect. 00:50:08
The the lake trail. 00:50:18
Come up by 300 W to Vineyard connector and then follow vineyard connector up. 00:50:20
To basically to the Interstate, OK. So that's a high priority for them. So that's that's just starting planning. 00:50:27
Phases, but OK, cool. And that's coming up. 00:50:35
Great. And then I did have a question about, I don't know if it's phase three of Utah City or? 00:50:38
But they have to have a parking plan for the entire development. Do you know if they have any updates on that? If they have any 00:50:45
progress, I haven't heard, but I know they are getting ready to submit another site plan soon, so I will make sure I believe it's. 00:50:51
The certificate of occupancy, this will be held up so they could get building permits for these next phases. Mm-hmm. And once 00:50:57
again, it's one of those things that. 00:51:01
It's it's hard to do a parking study if nobody's living there yet, because we do want to observe real world conditions. Yeah, it 00:51:05
was less of a study as. 00:51:09
As much as it's a plan. Oh, true. Yeah, you're you're right, it is a plan. So I'll, I'll remind Bronson with the the developer to 00:51:13
to look into that. I feel like I see more cars parked out there every day And yeah, nobody lives out there. Yeah. So and hopefully 00:51:18
we're working on actually quite a few things. I can give a brief update on our we have a parking study going on right now with 00:51:23
Ave. Consultants. 00:51:28
And one thing we're examining right now is the parking at lakefront because we do believe a lot of people parking at the near the 00:51:34
Frontner station are residents of Lakefront because we have that that parking restriction there. So we're actually looking at kind 00:51:39
of how can we redesign 300 W. 00:51:44
There to actually increase the amount of parking but also improve pedestrian safety quite a bit because there's very few crossings 00:51:50
there. 00:51:53
And and so far we've made some good progress with that and I think we're budgeting it for next year to to get these improvements 00:51:58
made. 00:52:01
And and we might have to implement some sort of parking permit program in the neighborhood in on that street as it is city owned 00:52:06
property. So we're still kind of in in conversations with HOA there of of how we can kind of get a win win for for everybody here. 00:52:13
And hopefully once we figure that out, then they can start enforcing the parking over there because those streets, the streets 00:52:21
near the front are, they're all private. So, you know, if I grow tonight wanted to say they don't want anybody to park there, they 00:52:26
could, you know, take some action, but they haven't. 00:52:32
Does frontrunner? 00:52:38
Do they have any plans of having more parking or do they know that that parking lot is full every day but they are aware I. 00:52:42
I think every person I've talked to with UTA says that they're very impressed with the success of the Vineyard Station. I don't 00:52:49
think they have any plans to increase the amount of parking there yet. I could be wrong. I've heard more long term plans. 00:52:56
Say that again. I've heard there's more long term plans for more parking there, but yeah, with the parking garage and stuff, yeah, 00:53:04
as development. 00:53:07
Happens around it. They'll add parking, but OK. 00:53:11
Cool. And is that like an asphalt trail then I assume? Yeah. They said this is a new initiative by the the governor and I don't 00:53:52
think they have their standards yet of of what they want these trails to look like, but I think they said they're aiming for a. 00:54:00
10 foot minimum. So they wouldn't do anything less than that and that'll go up over the overpass I assume. Yeah, so one thing they 00:54:08
brought up is that they they really don't like the the switchbacks that that are there. 00:54:15
And so they said their trail alignment would actually bypass that and just keep going down the South side there. 00:54:23
We're actually also looking at at designing a little pocket park here at Tucker Row and part of that will also be kind of figuring 00:54:30
out how to better align that switch back and landscape that that section. 00:54:35
So we can hopefully work with the Utah Trail Network people to create a really cool kind of interchange there between the two 00:54:40
trails. Cool. So would that be like a class one backpack? 00:54:44
Completely detached from the road? Yeah, Yep. 00:54:49
Yeah, that'd be great. 00:54:54
If it is part of a greater system, if there's a pocket park there. 00:54:55
But I love the idea of having little bike amenities there. 00:54:59
Yeah, I think we're, we've requested budget for this upcoming fiscal year to get the designs for this park. 00:55:04
Especially as the the water pipeline project here is finishing up and they're finally going to hopefully put that path back in 00:55:11
soon in the next. 00:55:15
Few weeks. 00:55:20
And then from there we can look at what we can do to really improve that area. We have gone through all the processes to get take 00:55:22
over ownership of that land from the HOA though I believe that's all taken care of, right Anthony? 00:55:28
So the city. 00:55:34
Finalized. Yeah, it's being finalized right now where the city will own it and then from there we can work on these designs and 00:55:36
implementing it. 00:55:40
Cool. Yeah. 00:55:44
Could be cool to have if the switch back goes away and we decide to do asphalt there that connects to that trail that runs along 00:55:45
the railroad. You could do some switchbacks to longboard on or walk on or something. OK, cool. Thank you guys so much. 00:55:52
If that's everything. 00:56:00
Then we'll adjourn the meeting. Thank you, guys. 00:56:03
Which is? 00:56:14
So they said. 00:56:18
But it would be like. 00:56:23
So if you have a pocket. 00:56:30
Make it for the trail, Yeah, Yeah. We've been in a lot of the other parts that we've approved. We've been doing kind of the same 00:56:35
thing where there's like like along the lake, we're doing little pockets along the trail. 00:56:41
But that's what I. 00:56:47
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Welcome, everybody. This is the Vineyard Planning Commission. I am standing in for Tay Goodmansen, who is absent at the meeting 00:00:02
today. It is April 17th, and it is 6:02 PM. We'll get right into things. I will give us an invocation and Pledge of Allegiance. 00:00:08
We'll start with the Pledge of Allegiance. 00:00:14
All rise. 00:00:20
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, 00:00:24
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:00:30
Thank you. All right. 00:00:38
Generally, Father, we're thankful that we could be here today to discuss the things that concern our city. Please bust us will 00:00:41
feel inspired us to the things that we need to do. We're thankful for those that are invested in the city that are trying to make 00:00:46
this a better place. We're thankful for those that volunteer their time and efforts and especially our. 00:00:52
Police, force and fire, please bless them. We love thee and we say these things in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen. 00:00:58
All right. Moving straight into public comments, if there are any public comments, you can come up to the microphone. Have any 00:01:05
comments? No. All right, We'll move into no consent items, business items. 00:01:11
5.1 The GRMU Office Building Site Plan. 00:01:17
OK, perfect. I have, I think I have all three items tonight, so. 00:01:21
Brief presentation here just to give you some context of this plan and just as an update from the staff report. I've received some 00:01:26
updated documents on the site plan and landscaping, So what you'll see here should be the most up-to-date accurate. 00:01:32
As to what has been submitted, here's context for where this location will be. It will be, I believe, 2. 00:01:39
Blocks north of the Mr. Car Wash, right along Cheney Road off to the West, we're going to have that Edgewater residential parking 00:01:45
lot that they're working on right now. 00:01:49
And then we just got a site plan for A. 00:01:56
Auto parts store to be right here on the Northside of Mr. Car Wash another auto parts. Yeah. OK, so. 00:01:58
To three blocks north of O'Reilly. So they said they like to be 3 each other. Units. N 3 units, Yes 3. 00:02:06
And then directly north of will be the office building. 00:02:14
All right, so here is the site plan for, like I said, it's most updated. What you saw in the staff report didn't include this 00:02:18
little landscape island in the parking lot. 00:02:23
One of the original conditions of approval was they weren't quite at the 20% site landscaping and so they did take out some 00:02:28
parking to accommodate that back here. 00:02:33
And then they've had to adjust some of the parking here as well as they shifted the building. And then you'll see right here they 00:02:38
have the bike racks right in front of the building. 00:02:41
As far as the site goes, they do have this zone, it's the GRMU, does require a 15 foot set back from Geneva Rd. so they've 00:02:46
provided that and it's all landscaped and looks really nice. 00:02:52
One of the the conditions of approval that I have a slide on is about creating some sort of entrance off of Geneva Rd. that will 00:02:59
mostly be for like employees of whatever business is located here that they can easily access the the trail that U dot is going to 00:03:05
be putting in along Geneva Rd. there. 00:03:11
Do you mean access to the trail? Yeah, Yeah. So it'll be like Geneva Rd. Itself. Yeah. So it'll be like a sidewalk. I'm not sure 00:03:19
the exact location, but a sidewalk that leads to the trail. 00:03:24
If you look at Mr. Carwash and if you lose, they both did the same thing and you can kind of see on this site plan as well, these 00:03:29
two sets of sidewalks. 00:03:32
On the north and the South, they both just terminated the property line and then hopefully when we get that trail and we can work 00:03:37
on connecting all of these. 00:03:40
Umm. Anyways, like I said, feel free to stop me whenever on any of these slides if you do have any questions. 00:03:44
Here is the landscaping page. Well, I'm sorry, I have questions related to parking. I want to make sure you. Yeah, yeah, no, yeah, 00:03:51
you can. 00:03:54
OK. Real quick. Total number of parking spaces, I believe 73 and that requirement is 71. So they're two above the requirement. 00:03:58
Perfect. And that's the standard for any office building, correct. Yep. Regardless of what tenants might be there, correct. Yep. 00:04:05
So we have kind of a shell like office use in our parking code. 00:04:12
I believe that's one per 250 square. 00:04:20
Of interior use. Perfect. Thanks. Yeah and they originally the original plan did show I think 83 parking stalls but like I said 00:04:23
with shifting the building and this landscape. 00:04:28
Island back here. They did lose out on some of them, but they're still above the code on that. 00:04:33
As far as landscaping goes, they now meet the code. They've done it really well. A really good job of surrounding the building 00:04:39
with great quality landscaping that meets our standards to the West here. We do have that parking lot that will also have a four 00:04:44
foot landscape buffer as well as a fence that they will border up against. 00:04:50
Umm, but besides that? 00:04:56
Yeah, it overall looks great on the landscaping. 00:05:00
What kind of fence are they doing on that side? 00:05:03
On which side? On the West side, I believe it's a raw iron. OK. On the the, it's the parking lot. They're the ones who have to put 00:05:05
in. Oh, they're the ones putting in there. Yeah. Yep. 00:05:10
So here's some elevations of the building. One thing in the GRMU is it does require the ground floor to contain at least 30% 00:05:18
transparent glass, and they've met that requirement here. 00:05:23
This is the only one that I have, like an actual rendering of, the others are just. 00:05:30
Going to be the standard elevations, so that's the West elevation facing the Edgewater townhomes. 00:05:34
One thing to note, they do have a sign on this side. We'll make sure there's a sign, permit comes through that we put some 00:05:40
conditions on there that it it isn't going to be a nuisance to the tenants, to the people who live in in Edgewater, the residents 00:05:44
in Edgewater. 00:05:49
And we've done that with all the surrounding businesses we usually have like we require them to have a cutoff time if it's lit up 00:05:54
by like 10:00 PM or something like that. 00:05:58
So the South and the north elevation. So the South elevation will have two ground floor entrances and the north elevation will 00:06:07
have one. 00:06:11
Entrance. 00:06:15
And then here's the east elevation facing Geneva Rd. As you can see, there's there's not an entrance on this yet. That's why we've 00:06:18
placed it as a condition of approval and then we'll work with them when they submit building permit to get an update on that. 00:06:24
OK. So here are the conditions of approval and I included everything I put into the staff report and then I just struck some that 00:06:34
they were able to meet with these updated documents so that you know the standard they pay any outstanding fees or red line 00:06:39
corrections. They've been great at that so far. 00:06:43
They're subject to all federal, state and local laws. 00:06:49
They must observe. 00:06:51
All ADA requirements and then the the two that are struck, I'll bring those up real quick is going to be update the site plan with 00:06:53
required bike parking which they've done. 00:06:57
And then an updated landscaping plan that reflects that 15 foot Geneva Rd. set back and the 20% requirement and they've done that 00:07:02
as well. 00:07:05
So then the other two that we're including is an updated elevation page and site plan with the eastern pedestrian walkway and 00:07:09
entrance. 00:07:12
And we'll have that. 00:07:16
We're requesting to have that prior to the issuance of a building permit and then the last one, another kind of standard one that 00:07:17
all site lighting will be down lit and light poles may not extend above 20 feet which these current plants are. 00:07:22
Compliant with SO. 00:07:28
That is all I have. If you guys have any questions, the applicant is also here. I don't know if they've joined on teams yet or 00:07:31
not. 00:07:34
Right, people, I'm in a meeting alone. 00:07:39
Maybe I sent them the wrong link? 00:07:44
But if you could on the slides refer to the site plan again and can you indicate where that eastern pedestrian walkway and 00:07:47
entrance is again. So we're still in discussions with them of where that would best fit with the intended use. 00:07:55
Just how they split up the ground floor. And that'll happen usually at the building plans as they do the tenant improvements, 00:08:04
they're going to figure out how they want to break up that ground floor. 00:08:08
And which kind of side of the building would be best fit for that? 00:08:15
OK. 00:08:19
So it's just an entrance to the building? 00:08:21
And the Eastern pedestrian walkway is just kind of a protected way to walk through the parking lot. So the sorry the the walkway 00:08:24
is just going to be, you know, a little bit of sidewalk whether if you know the door to the building is going to be right here, 00:08:29
it's a little sidewalk that just goes out to that future trail. 00:08:34
OK, that they're going to install in someday. Can you show the overall? 00:08:40
The map one of your earlier slides. Oh, the context. Yes, thank you to show where that trail might be. 00:08:46
So yeah, this is the Geneva Rd. I don't know if Patrick knows much more about the the future alignment of this. I don't imagine 00:08:52
this part will get changed much, but they're going to expand Geneva Rd. I believe, to A7 Lane Rd. 00:08:58
And when they do that they're we're we're in the talks of putting in a trail on this. I guess that would be the West side of 00:09:04
Geneva Rd. 00:09:07
That would just, you know, front right along it. And we want to just make sure that all of our businesses have access to that high 00:09:12
end to that sidewalk. Ultimately, we can call it a trail. Yep. So okay. Yep. That's context I needed. Thank you. Yep. 00:09:18
Brad, any questions? 00:09:24
No. 00:09:27
Any other questions, Hank? OK, I didn't have any questions. I think building looks good. Do I have a motion? 00:09:28
Do you need to Is this a public hearing? 00:09:36
This one's not it's not OK. 00:09:38
Then I have a page here I think. 00:09:41
It's good I. 00:09:45
Yeah, I'll make the motion. I'll move to approve the Gru office building site. 00:09:47
Plan application as requested by Jill Genesee without this development group, with the proposed conditions of approval that were 00:09:51
shown tonight, including the two that were stricken off perfect. 00:09:57
Second. Second. All in favor, Aye. All right. 00:10:03
That passes. So just for the applicant, I will send you a letter hopefully tomorrow five time, just kind of outlining the next 00:10:07
steps in the process, so. 00:10:11
You're all good. Cool. Thank you. Did cash just use the gavel? Does he authorized to do that? Get out of here. All right, moving 00:10:16
on to item 5.2, the Eastlake warehouse Lot 1 site plan. All right. 00:10:23
And once again, we do have our applicants here, Brett and Chris. 00:10:32
So here's a site context of where we're talking off screen over here in the top left is the power plant if that helps you. So we 00:10:36
have 1750s kind of that main road here and this is where these two buildings will front. 00:10:42
So here are the two buildings that they're proposing for the site plan. It will be two warehouse buildings. 00:10:50
I believe it's totaling. 00:10:55
Just under 115,000 square feet of warehouse space. 00:10:58
Once again, with our parking, we kind of have a shell building. 00:11:02
Standard that I think it's one per 300 square feet of space then depth parking stall and there I think 20 or 30 stalls above that. 00:11:06
So they're providing. 00:11:11
Adequate parking, you could say. 00:11:17
For the site. 00:11:19
Here's their landscaping plan. It meets our standards they're going to currently actually, if you drive up there right now or bike 00:11:24
up there. 00:11:28
Or walk however you want to get up there. There is currently a fence along this road and they are going to be taking out that 00:11:34
fence and they're going to be putting up a three foot berm and then putting in all of this landscaping there to to shield it. Our 00:11:40
code does require like all these parking spaces are shielded and they've done a good job at that. 00:11:46
As far as how the site will work, you do have three points of access to the building, so you'll have the the westernmost center 00:11:52
and the eastern. 00:11:56
The center one is mostly going to be for semi truck traffic as they have all the loading docks facing the center of the two 00:12:01
buildings. So most employees or visitors will be using these two other entrances. 00:12:07
One thing that we did want to talk about and and we have been kind of working with them and we've put this just as a conditional 00:12:14
of approval so that we can figure out the best way to do this is figure out this access point at the center. If you'll notice to 00:12:19
the north, we have two other access points onto 1750. 00:12:25
And then we have this S curve in on the road and then we have this access point which like I said is mostly going to be used by 00:12:31
semi trucks for deliveries. 00:12:35
And we just want to make sure that this entrance is as safe as possible for all users, whether it's people turning or people 00:12:41
driving on 1750. 00:12:45
And so we've just included a condition of approval that they'll work with our engineering department on figuring out if we make 00:12:50
that wider, does it make it safer if we kind of bend it, if we relocate it a little bit to the east. 00:12:55
Whatever it may be to to just make it more safe. It is really hard to align. 00:13:01
To either one of these up here as that would be kind of the preferred method, but as you can see it's really hard to do that. 00:13:07
And if you go along 1750, frankly none of the businesses, none of the the access points are aligned. 00:13:14
So we're just trying to make it as safe as possible. 00:13:21
OK. So here are the elevations and I will traffic question quick. Since you're talking about traffic, have traffic studies and are 00:13:26
turning radius studies been completed to make sure that semi trucks can handle that turn turning left or right? 00:13:31
We run them down there all day, every day. OK, that's a good that's that's a better study than what you do in CAD. So I think 00:13:38
that's fine. 00:13:42
Yeah, that that road is very wide, 1750 is. 00:13:49
Very well. 00:13:53
They did a fine job. 00:13:56
OK. No, I just wanted that on record that it can handle that. That's great. Thanks. OK. So here are the elevations for the 00:13:59
buildings. I will note the blue there is just windows, it is not blue paint. You just want to make sure that's on the record here. 00:14:05
So as you can see, it's pretty standard to the buildings that are up there. They have a good use of changes of of height of the 00:14:13
building, of of materials of of color. They've included the awnings there as well. 00:14:19
And it meets our standard for this zoning district. 00:14:26
So here are the conditions of approval. Once again, those same three pay any outstanding fees and red line corrections. 00:14:32
They're subject to all federal, state and local laws. They must observe all ADA requirements. 00:14:38
And then here's that. The applicant will work with the engineering department to determine a safe location of the center drive 00:14:43
access off 1750 N prior to the issuance of a building permit. 00:14:48
And then the last one they just told me as they walked into this building is. 00:14:53
We want them to submit an updated site plan with the required bicycle parking at each building. 00:14:57
And they, I think just emailed it to me prior to this meeting, so I should have that, but we can keep it as a condition and it's 00:15:02
fine. 00:15:06
So. 00:15:10
Do you guys have any questions, Braden? 00:15:15
No any more questions today? 00:15:17
No, I failed to think the last applicant, so I'm sorry, but thank you guys for being responsive to staff comments and. 00:15:20
Making something pretty so good job. I do want to ask do you guys have a rough estimate of when you do want to start construction 00:15:28
and. 00:15:31
Tomorrow, OK. 00:15:36
Right. So we're going to put this off to. 00:15:38
We'll continue this. 00:15:44
Start with the what were three athletes? Filled it up on the one across the street. Yeah. So we'll be out of work pretty soon. 00:15:49
Yeah. We've got to feed our family, right? No, but what? 00:15:55
But yeah, well, a reason I want to thank you for this is some people might not look at like warehouse type things as saying, oh 00:16:02
that's the sexiest development to come into our city, but it's jobs. 00:16:07
You know, and that's the most important thing right now. And so that's why I will always support things like that, because 00:16:14
diversity of jobs brings diversity of community and that's what every community thrives on so. 00:16:19
Thank you for that. So with that I moved. I do move to approve this. 00:16:24
That's why I want to make sure you hear it. 00:16:31
So I moved to approve the Eastlake Warehouse Lot 1 site plan application as requested by Chris Kephart and Brett Wood with the 00:16:34
conditions of approval that have been presented by staff tonight. Awesome. Thank you, Nate. Do I have a second? 00:16:40
Second Thanks, Brad. All in favor, aye. 00:16:49
Aye, aye. All right. Cool. Thank you, guys. Once again. I'll send you guys a letter. Just an e-mail that outlines kind of the next 00:16:53
step. You guys know what you're doing, though. So, Yep, Thank you. Have a good night. 00:16:59
All right, moving on to 5.3, the Orchard site plan amendment, We are cruising. 00:17:06
Yeah, this one. It doesn't look like the applicant is here, unfortunately. 00:17:11
This is 30 more conditions. This is home center construction. So we have Michaelson and then Karen Slaymaker, I believe is the 00:17:17
applicant here. 00:17:20
So a little background on this site plan amendment is back a few months ago they were requesting some certificates, certificates 00:17:25
of occupancy on these townhomes. 00:17:30
That are just off of Center Street right by the Center St. overpass. And as Anthony I went out there to do our inspection, we 00:17:36
noticed that the landscaping was completely different than what was approved back in 2016. 00:17:41
So surprised. So we held them up on on that certificate of occupancy until they get the site plan amendment approved or they 00:17:48
provided a bond and they they did go with the bond. This is something we I don't think we can do anymore. So they did provide that 00:17:53
bond and essentially they want their money back. 00:17:59
And so we're just going to go over the landscaping here. What I did is I broke this up into four quadrants because it's it's a 00:18:06
very detailed plan and that way you can kind of see the changes. 00:18:11
Oh, this is actually a good chart to start with. 00:18:18
I just looked at how much landscaping. 00:18:21
Originally proposed which was 37% and they're as built. So what is there now is 29.5, so it is down quite a bit. But then if you 00:18:25
look at the bottom, the total number of grass and shrubs increased almost double. And same thing with trees, they've almost 00:18:31
doubled that count as well. So while it is a less percentage of landscaping, it's essentially a lot more. 00:18:37
Quality of landscaping. 00:18:45
So as you can see, less grass, which is also good. A little bit less stone mulch. 00:18:47
Fewer shrubs, but a lot more annuals. No, like wild grasses. A ton of roses. 00:18:54
And you'll see that in the plan it is, there's just a ton of plants. Good question if there's less grass and stone mulch. 00:19:02
Then what's replacement sidewalk and stuff like that? Yeah, hardscape. 00:19:08
OK, so here's this first quadrant and what I did is it's like that like game you play as a kid where you have like 2 images and 00:19:13
you have to find what's different. So that's what I did here to hopefully show you. Everything highlighted in red is technically 00:19:18
different. Not to say that. 00:19:23
Bad or good but it is just different. So the left is as built, left is no left is what was proposed or what was approved. OK, the 00:19:29
right is going to be the as built. 00:19:34
And and also I would just went there before this meeting I took some pictures. Let me see if I can. 00:19:41
To show you well, let's stick with this. 00:19:46
And I can kind of go over these. So along the the western side there they had a large row of, I believe shrubs. They removed all 00:19:50
those and just placed trees. 00:19:54
Then you have those six trees right there off to the right of that. They've replaced those with shrubs, so they kind of switched 00:19:58
those. And you can see that in this picture here off to the left, you'll see all those trees lining it, and then you do see the 00:20:03
shrubs off to the right. 00:20:07
Going back to this. 00:20:13
So the trees were supposed to be next to the sidewalk then? 00:20:14
Correct. Yep. And now they're not. Yep. 00:20:17
The next circles are going to be these three. 00:20:21
Sidewalk pieces. 00:20:26
So essentially they were going to be connecting this development onto the sidewalk onto Center St. Instead, they put up a six foot 00:20:28
wrought iron fence. 00:20:32
And so by doing that, they've removed all that sidewalk and just put in landscaping. 00:20:36
So rather than the sidewalk connecting here, here, you know, it just kind of connects over this way and then down into this. 00:20:41
Asphalt. 00:20:47
And they used to have some plantings here and they replaced that with this little like almost like patio it's just. 00:20:50
A concrete area. 00:20:56
I don't think I have a Oh yeah, so this right here is that 6 foot fence. 00:20:57
Are there any connections to the sidewalk on center station it's just Oh no. So that is something we can discuss tonight if we'd 00:21:02
like to see them maybe take out a section of fence and put in a connection. I as far as their entire site goes I do think it would 00:21:08
be beneficial to have some of that connection. They they do have people living there right now and and we could have you know I 00:21:13
could have asked them how they'd feel about. 00:21:19
That because some people might not like. 00:21:25
You know, if they have young kids and they want to keep them from running out into Center St. that fence does a really good job at 00:21:28
that. But also it does really, you know, if somebody lives here in this first building and their kid goes to Franklin Elementary 00:21:33
right over here, rather than, you know, quick little walk down the street, they're having to walk or frankly drive through their 00:21:37
development to get to school. 00:21:42
But like I said, the applicant in the year, so we can discuss these conditions and I can propose them to them. 00:21:48
As part of this approval. 00:21:54
Other few things this. 00:21:57
The buildings here in the middle kind of create this little courtyard. 00:21:59
What's really hard to see on the new plans is because there are so many plants, it's really hard to see. 00:22:04
The details Where is this old plan? You know it has this big tree right here, over here. It doesn't show it, but there is actually 00:22:10
trees in that area, and I do have pictures of these little courtyards. 00:22:14
But it is a little different. So there's one section. 00:22:20
That picture again, you can kind of see right here that likes. 00:22:25
Cement. Concrete, sorry. Concrete. Courtyard. 00:22:29
Here's the next section so you can see once again they have these sidewalks that they've just removed. 00:22:35
And then this area right here, the landscaping is a little bit different they they don't have. 00:22:43
Nearly as much in this quadrant as as what is right here. 00:22:48
The next quadrant, so this would be the southwest. 00:22:56
Once again, the same thing with the shrubs and trees. They just kind of flip those. 00:22:59
The courtyard here is a little bit different and I think the next slide should have a picture of that courtyard to give you an 00:23:03
idea of what it looks like. 00:23:05
Some trees were missing down here and then the. 00:23:09
The sidewalk down here no longer connects. 00:23:13
Which is a little strange because they do have parking right here. 00:23:16
Quite a bit of extra, like guest parking, and it doesn't connect at all. You have to like, walk around a fence to get to it. 00:23:19
So here's that courtyard. So you can see they have trees all throughout these courtyards and it is landscaped rather well with 00:23:27
with some plants. 00:23:31
And then this is that last section. 00:23:38
Same thing. You know, the sidewalk doesn't quite connect anymore. This retention pond at first I. 00:23:41
Thought that they removed all those trees, but as you can see they have them on this and so I went there and took a picture and 00:23:48
you can see they've actually planted a lot of trees around there. But the new plans just it doesn't look as big because of they 00:23:52
changed the shapes on them. 00:23:56
So that is all I have for them. So we can have a discussion what you guys would like to see if you do want to see some changes. 00:24:02
I can run it by them and let them know that you know if they they want that bond back. We need to see some some changes if if 00:24:11
there are any. 00:24:14
So a couple questions, if that's OK. Could you go to the slide that shows the table comparing the approved? 00:24:19
Slide two, yeah. 00:24:27
So that's showing that the approved plan originally had 44 trees and they've already planted 77 trees. 00:24:30
That's a significant increase, yeah. 00:24:37
Because at first I got really concerned seeing the percent landscape number go down as much as right. 00:24:40
But what they're doing is decreasing grass. 00:24:45
Adding so many trees. 00:24:50
And a whole lot of annuals. 00:24:53
So while initially I. 00:24:58
Would say I was really concerned upon looking at this a little bit more. I'm going, well, maybe I'm not as concerned. It's not so 00:25:00
much a we're decreasing as it is we're changing, right. Yeah, that's exactly. And and as I mentioned this, this was approved all 00:25:04
the way back in 2016. 00:25:09
And and so a lot of things change, you know, I wouldn't be surprised if this is a whole new designer who did this well, and I want 00:25:15
to remind everyone that. 00:25:19
The way we think of how much water we use in irrigating grass is different now than it was at 2016 as well. 00:25:23
So yeah, I don't want to. 00:25:31
Speak for everyone there I just. 00:25:33
Wanted to call that out that it is a big increase in trees. Yeah, one area you can see like this is a good example, they had a lot 00:25:36
of landscaping right up here and they removed those 3 trees and all the landscaping and put hardscape in instead. So that's kind 00:25:41
of those areas where why it decreased. 00:25:46
7% was was areas like that and remind me are these the townhomes, are they going to be owner occupied or are they rentals? As of 00:25:51
right now, they are all rentals. So is it all one big plat or are they individually platted? They are individually platted and the 00:25:57
majority of these trees are in common area, yes. So there's an HOA or there's an HOA and they're working on there. I think they 00:26:03
might have their billing permit for their clubhouse that they're just going to start constructing soon. It's been noticed. So I'm 00:26:09
assuming. 00:26:14
OK, I that means also with all of this landscaping changes or? 00:26:21
Additions that they're doing maintenance of it and code enforcement in case trees dies when we want to make sure we hold them to 00:26:28
it goes to the HOA, not to the individual residents because it's on the HOA, right. And there will always even if they do switch 00:26:34
to a more owner occupied business model here once again it would be that HOA that still maintains all that common area. So I 00:26:39
believe that clubhouse is. 00:26:45
Maybe this law right here? 00:26:51
OK. Those were my comments. Thanks. Yeah, they are individually plotted. 00:26:53
So a couple of things. 00:26:58
I will You go back to the numbers of everything. 00:27:02
I do appreciate that there are more trees. As far as the caliper of the trees, is it the same all 2 inch which is our the annuals, 00:27:07
that's a huge number, but annuals die every year and they have to be replanted every single year. So that's kind of, let me let me 00:27:13
show you. 00:27:18
I might have. 00:27:25
I might have missed. 00:27:27
Would those numbers be day lilies are the majority of. 00:27:31
OK. 00:27:35
They're not annuals. I'm being told I don't know plants that well. OK. I would have just put plants OK You know I was gonna say 00:27:37
that's weird that they're giving you a number of annuals because that's in my defense they're they originally just had like one of 00:27:43
these labels. It's just like tree. I was like I know that's not. I need more description than OK, all right. So here's yeah, this 00:27:49
is a breakdown of what they're and you can see these red, red buds, Eastern and the blue spruce that make up those 77 trees. 00:27:56
Yeah, obviously our code enforcement officers can't go and count individual bulbs, right? Flowers, could you speak? 00:28:03
10 years from now. 00:28:12
What kind of enforcement is done to ensure the landscape plan is? 00:28:15
For the most part, consistent with what we see here, yeah, unfortunately it is hard for us to to lever any tools to enforce that 00:28:19
if they're if their landscaping is in compliance with our code, which our code pretty much says you can't have weeds above 4 00:28:24
inches. 00:28:28
Umm, because what we essentially can do is if a development comes in and they submit this landscaping plan and it doesn't meet our 00:28:34
standards, you know, it's it's I go out there and I have to count every plant to make sure that they're, you know, planting all 00:28:40
1000 day lilies or whatever. We can hold them to it if we want to be that right, right. And then essentially that's where we can 00:28:46
hold it to them is before we issue them that certificate, certificate of occupancy. 00:28:52
If we don't do it before then it is really hard to hold them to these standards to make sure that they've put placed all these 00:28:58
trees and they've planted all these other plants. 00:29:02
But our code enforcement, like I said, if if the property starts to be in decline and they aren't taking care of the plants. 00:29:08
Then then we are able to issue some citations to get them to do stuff, but mostly it's. 00:29:14
Just make sure there's no weeds or trash. You know, we can't force them to replant all the trees that they've planted. 00:29:20
If they all died, we just don't have that in our code to to allow that. 00:29:28
I can check with our attorney to see if there's anything that. 00:29:33
Yeah. That would allow us to, we have to approve a landscape plan. Usually there's some power to enforce that landscape. Yeah, I 00:29:36
can look more into that to see if there's something that we could do. Biggest concern is with that many trees, right? 00:29:42
Once if it changes ownership. If it changes, manage management. 00:29:49
Making sure that they will, they say, OK, well, rocks look good there. 00:29:52
Sure, sure. 00:29:56
And I'm kind of bound that the applicants not here because I want to know why they didn't make those connections with the 00:29:59
sidewalk. 00:30:02
I I think that the connections should be there, but if they have some kind of reasoning that. 00:30:08
Makes sense? 00:30:13
Naseem and Patrick, did they by chance talk to you about these connections at all the. 00:30:15
That go from the townhomes to Center St. These have the sidewalks. 00:30:20
Nothing. 00:30:25
It's a six foot fence now, yeah. 00:30:30
Open up the fence or put in a gate. I would recommend putting in. Yeah, we can put that as a condition. We can even keep the exact 00:30:39
same fencing material and put a hinge on it, yeah. 00:30:44
If you wanted to see maybe one on the north side here and then one on the east side here, we could do that as a condition. So 00:30:50
yeah, like I said, this comes down to the side plan that they followed on this. Like cash was saying was like 6 years ago or so, 00:30:56
right, 26/20/16, So eight years. Yeah, how many? Eight years ago? So one, they were following that side plan and then the other 00:31:02
aspect on it would be that. 00:31:07
Doing. 00:31:14
Sidewalk connections along there. 00:31:16
All right, connections through there. 00:31:19
Currently defense at sea, I think before when was done defense was Scooby City maintained. And obviously with the city we want to 00:31:22
have this view. 00:31:26
Moving parts and so forth through there. 00:31:31
I think we're working with them to have that. Make sure that that fence is maintained by if if not already maintained by the HOA. 00:31:34
How many? 00:31:39
Entrances are there into the community. 00:31:45
Into the community itself, into the neighborhood. There's this one. Essentially there is this one down here, but I don't think it 00:31:47
goes anywhere right now. So this is that main entrance right here. Yeah, the other aspect too. Again, it kinda comes down to the 00:31:53
developer and so forth. 00:31:59
Having a fence sometimes having a fence right behind your like um. 00:32:07
Like I share it, backyard may not be as attractive as well. 00:32:13
I know. I mean, people have personal preferences. 00:32:18
On, you know, access and so forth. 00:32:21
I know my backyard. If I have a fence back there where all the kids were going through, I would not allow that. And my that's my 00:32:25
personal property, my personal. 00:32:28
House the original plan. 00:32:32
Did they have gates and they were removed? No, there was. I don't believe there's a fence on the original plan. I understand 00:32:34
there's no there was it has public. So originally I imagine Public Safety reviewed the plans. 00:32:40
Back in 2016, I would hope so. That's before I think Bryce is probably the only one. Were you in 2016? 00:32:46
So my reason for asking that is I'd love to hear. 00:32:57
Fires opinion on having them. So the whole development will it has let's see if I yeah, typically the fire when the fire 00:33:01
department reviews access and so forth they review from the main roads. They typically wouldn't be accessing it from Off Center 00:33:06
St. 00:33:11
Per SE they would, as long as the fire department has access from the internal streets. 00:33:17
That's that would be their primary thing. That would be their primary. 00:33:23
I'm depending on the type of structure. The structure is usually tall unders and they're not able to move earth like to the back. 00:33:27
Then that's when the fire department would require that. Typically the fire department would just require a fire access. 00:33:33
Which without technically does not technically mean it has to be open for pedestrians and so forth when I've done fire access. 00:33:40
For other cities like my city before to say before this. 00:33:47
We would have specific areas into to communities and so forth. 00:33:51
And accessible by Accessible for early fire trucks. 00:33:56
Now there is often times that those connections were not even noticeable from by anybody else. No vehicles, no pedestrians, but 00:34:00
even knows that there was an entrance there. The fire department was the older ones who actually knew that there was a back way 00:34:04
back entrance. 00:34:07
On certain aspects, again I understand. I was just trying to see if they weighed in on this and if. 00:34:11
There is sufficient ingress and egress. They do the building permits every time they do a billing permit. 00:34:17
Regardless of how old, how old the site plan may have been improved every time they pulled building permits. 00:34:24
So the fire department is required to review that. 00:34:31
So either way. 00:34:35
And there if the fire department here is in like my last fire department where we ran our own vehicle maintenance repair shop, I 00:34:39
always have fire truck inside there because they decide to run into one wall or another wall just sometimes for. 00:34:45
I say for fun, the police officers always had reason to run into other people cars. 00:34:53
So I guess another question I had, do you happen to have numbers of like how much square footage is landscaped square footage 00:35:00
versus how much isn't? 00:35:04
Now because it seems like they added parking in some places. 00:35:09
That would have been so like a total sight. 00:35:13
I don't think that this site plan let me actually pull this back up. 00:35:18
And see if this shows it. 00:35:24
Yeah, as you can see, like. 00:35:29
They added this parking right here. 00:35:31
And the ads built and that doesn't even exist in this section. 00:35:34
On the approved plans, because I think that's part of a different pod. 00:35:39
And so this section, I don't believe they added any additional parking and they removed landscaping for parking. Yeah, the only 00:35:45
the part that I was just mostly noticing is on the South side of the development, they added angled parking where they had 00:35:51
parallel parking right here and right by Building 12. 00:35:57
Yeah, and I feel like there's one more spot. 00:36:04
Just to the West of there. 00:36:09
I don't know if that's part of this, but there's parking in that just West of Building 12, there's parking there that wasn't there 00:36:13
before. Yeah. So that's the one I was mentioning. That one's part of a different right there. Yeah. So there might be landscaping 00:36:19
on that approval, but that's a different, that'd be under different building plan different. 00:36:25
Whole set of plans. 00:36:32
OK, but yeah, I I don't know the the difference in that angle between the angled and the the straight on parking right here, the 00:36:33
parallel, because it still seems like the numbers don't make sense to me. 00:36:39
With if you go back to the numbers of everything, that shows the rock and the. 00:36:47
Stone mulch. 00:36:54
Yeah, them getting rid of that much. 00:36:57
Grass and stone mulch. I just wasn't seeing it, but. 00:37:00
Let me so this gives you a breakdown of the. 00:37:03
All of the different types. 00:37:09
Area within that. Do they have that for both? Let me look to see if I can find that real quick for the. 00:37:13
Approved ones. 00:37:19
OK, yeah, I see it. 00:37:32
Yeah, I was going to say, I think that they didn't include asphalt or hardscape like sidewalk on there. 00:37:36
Umm. 00:37:47
Because you're right, I think that is a what, like a 16,000 square feet difference. 00:37:52
And I'm yeah, I'm in all honesty, I'm not exactly sure where that is made-up because I'm sure it's not just Sidewalk. 00:37:59
And again, it would be awesome if the developer was here. 00:38:08
So that we could ask them these questions. 00:38:12
Did you guys have any questions? 00:38:18
I just wanted to echo the connections. 00:38:21
Question just I feel like that's something that I would love to see more of in the city at in general and would love to know why 00:38:24
those were omitted and kind of on the similar note, I don't know how updated this image is on Google Maps, but just the one 00:38:29
entrance that. 00:38:34
Does exist the sidewalk. 00:38:40
Comes in and then ends and there's no. 00:38:43
Great pedestrian access into the. 00:38:46
Into the development so the sidewalk ends and then you have to looks like you have to go on the street and then through the 00:38:51
parking lot to. 00:38:55
Yeah, it does. So it does look like looking at their plans here, they're. 00:38:59
This is this the sidewalk you're talking about? Just Yeah. So it just ends there and then to get into the. 00:39:03
Development. You're walking in the street. Yeah. There's. Yeah, Yeah. So we can totally include that. So I don't know if that's 00:39:10
something that can change, but I just would love to see essentially this week if we can, we can put any conditions that we feel 00:39:14
would improve this. 00:39:19
As they did, you know, do all this construction without following the original approval. So yeah, whatever, whatever you guys 00:39:25
think is special, I think. I mean access to Center Street is one thing, but I also think that if we could. 00:39:31
Make the pedestrian access. 00:39:37
On the main entrance, that does exist better than I think that would. 00:39:40
A win too. Is there something in specific that you'd want to see, whether it's like a crosswalk or something? I just think so is 00:39:44
this. 00:39:47
Is this sidewalk right here? That is sidewalk correct? I mean, even if this just connected into here so you don't have to. 00:39:51
I don't know. I. 00:39:59
In my mind, it doesn't make. 00:40:02
Great sense as a pedestrian, like if I'm going to leave and take my dog on a walk. 00:40:04
I'm probably just gonna walk through those rocks anyway. Yeah. Instead of go around on the street to meet to the sidewalk, you 00:40:09
know what I mean? So I'd also be concerned about ADA access. If I'm in a wheelchair, how can I safely get to my unit? Yeah, I'm. 00:40:15
I'm just looking out for them right now. 00:40:20
They're really, there really isn't a lot of access like connection in there. Yeah. And even within, once you're in there, you kind 00:40:27
of just go out to the parking lot. Yeah. And and everything here is very much like garage loaded. Like they do have these internal 00:40:33
courtyards. If somebody lives in this unit and you were to walk to visit them, you do have to, like walk through here. 00:40:40
As none of their front doors face the external. And I'm fine with that, sure, I think. 00:40:48
There's a place where those kind of developments and that's pretty and so I have no problem with that, we just. 00:40:54
I'm concerned about everything that's been said here. Everything. So it seems like we have a lot of conditions. Personally, yeah, 00:40:59
let me. 00:41:03
Personally, I would feel comfortable continuing it so that the developer can actually be here. OK, that or. 00:41:09
If you feel like you've heard our concerns. 00:41:16
Well, could you have that initial discussion with them saying these are the concerns that, well, we would still want it to. We'd 00:41:19
absolutely still move it. I just want to. Yeah. Yeah, I could. Yeah. If we wanted to move it to the following Planning Commission 00:41:25
meeting and I could. 00:41:30
Tomorrow reach out to them and say, hey, here are some concerns that that were had and we want to see improved pedestrian 00:41:36
connectivity to Center St. Also I think it's to Cortana Lane is the name of the road out there as well as how do pedestrians kind 00:41:41
of enter into the development. 00:41:47
We can absolutely do that. Cool. And let. Yeah. And then I did. I don't want to speak for everyone. Please disagree with me if you 00:41:53
feel differently, but I'd say if they're able to make some of those access improvements. 00:41:59
Walkability improvements. 00:42:05
Then I wouldn't have a strong opinion on any of the landscape changes that they're proposing, yeah. 00:42:08
What do you guys think about that as far as continuing it? 00:42:15
Yeah. I think I think getting some more clarity on on these items would be good and continue the motion then. 00:42:19
I move to continue to do I have to say to win or just a future meeting when the applicants ready to resubmit? 00:42:28
We probably should say date as this was an agenda item and the next one will be May 1st. I move to continue. 00:42:35
What item number is it? 5.3 The Orchard site 5.3 The Orchard site? Plan to the next meeting on May 1st. 00:42:44
Do I have a second? Thank you, Kaden. 00:42:53
2nd Thank you, Brad. All in favor. Aye. Just just real quick, are these two points good enough for me to get going with them? 00:42:56
Connectivity to center and Cortana, whether that's remove fence or put up a gate and put in sidewalk and then pedestrian safety to 00:43:05
entrance. So figuring out whether that's put in some sidewalk or a crosswalk or whatever it may be to kind of let people flow into 00:43:10
their shape more safely. 00:43:16
And if possible, if you could have some like square footage numbers, I'm just curious where that square before and after footage 00:43:22
difference is. 00:43:26
Because that didn't make sense. OK, I can do that. 00:43:31
OK. All right. I have a clarification on a date for when is being continued to. 00:43:34
May 1st. 00:43:40
OK. Moving on to staff, Commission and committee reports, does anybody have anything that they wanted to? 00:43:44
I know that Anthony has something. I have something real quick as well. 00:43:53
Today, Anthony, I went and fired some neighborhoods. We will be having next week at hopefully Kaden got one, I got one. Thank you. 00:43:58
Hopefully it looks good. Yeah, looks great. But essentially next week the City Council will be voting to. 00:44:05
Purchased two lots in the Cottonwoods neighborhood to put up a Firehouse. 00:44:12
And so that will happen at City Council. And then the following week hopefully it'll be a plan on the 1st, we will be doing a site 00:44:18
plan application for that Firehouse that you as a Planning Commission will review. You'll see the renderings of of the Firehouse, 00:44:24
kind of how that will function within this residential neighborhood. 00:44:30
But yeah, we just invite, you know, any, any residents that are concerned about this or want to learn more to come to, you know, 00:44:37
City Council next week and Planning Commission the following week. 00:44:41
OK, so Anthony, like I said, he didn't think he had something as well. 00:44:46
All right, so yesterday I returned from the. 00:44:50
National APA Conference. We had that in Minneapolis and it was a great experience. I had the chance to meet with other planners 00:44:54
from other cities throughout the, you know, the country. 00:45:00
There were great sessions that I believe. 00:45:07
You know, I learned things that would help a city, help us as a city as we meddle through issues that we're working through, 00:45:11
including, you know, you know. 00:45:16
From zoning all the way through to. 00:45:21
Code enforcement and how how these you know. 00:45:24
Other bigger cities have dealt with issues. For example, we are. 00:45:28
As a city, those not come to you yet. We are doing some research on getting. 00:45:32
Scooters and, you know, hopefully bikes. 00:45:38
In to help with first mile. 00:45:40
You know, last mile. 00:45:44
You know, transportation, micro mobility in the city. 00:45:47
Like Salt Lake, you know it was dumped on them, right? The companies just reaching out to the city? 00:45:53
And just wanted to do the, you know the. 00:45:59
Business in the city without Salt Lake City having any research done. 00:46:04
That happened to many other big cities in the. 00:46:07
So some there were sessions where some of them shared how they have had to mitigate. 00:46:12
This issues that the scooters and bikes came with. 00:46:17
You know, and so there are other cities that also shared how they planned before these things were allowed to come into the city, 00:46:22
and that's what we're trying to do. 00:46:27
Just so that we don't have issues like these other big cities had. So these and many other. 00:46:32
Ways to make our city run better from the planning perspective where things that I learned that I hope to share with the rest of 00:46:40
the team and many more. 00:46:44
Thank you. Thanks, Anthony. I realized I have a few more things. 00:46:48
Next week we actually have a pretty busy week in the city. On Tuesday we will be doing an open house. 00:46:54
Kind of Town Hall here at City Hall, it is for the lakefront at Town Center Villas Springs, Providence. 00:47:00
The Locks, Tucker Row Preserve, Cascade and Solstice neighborhoods. So kind of the the northern residential neighborhoods here 00:47:07
we're going to have hopefully if you see the council members here, we're going to have some staff members here just to address 00:47:12
kind of any concerns that people may have in those neighborhoods. 00:47:18
And as well as that night I believe is the Impact Vineyard Award. 00:47:23
And then Wednesday, oh Wednesday, is that City Council meeting with the fire station Firehouse? 00:47:30
And then Thursday is the impact Vineyard Fair at. I believe it's a Freedom Elementary. I could be wrong, but that one just each of 00:47:35
the commissions, each of the departments has a little table at Freedom Elementary and we just kind of go over what we're working 00:47:41
on. People can come and ask questions about any of the master plans we're working on kind of what what goes on at Planning 00:47:46
Commission or the Bicycle Advisory Commission. 00:47:51
And it should be a good time. Cool. 00:47:58
Any update on the? 00:48:01
Postal Service. 00:48:02
Box I so Anthony's like the most charismatic man I know. So I asked him he would look into it and I think he's getting to the same 00:48:04
place I did where they they tell us they're running a study every time and. 00:48:11
That's it. They're like we're waiting on the results from the study. So I don't know if they've told you anything different. So 00:48:18
the last time I was there was earlier this year and I was, you know, I told them I'm not moving till I have some real news. So I 00:48:24
was there for a while till they had their manager come out and, you know, speak to me after, you know, some time now what they the 00:48:30
reason why they've been dragging their feet is they don't want to put a new box here. 00:48:36
Because most of our neighborhoods have the. 00:48:44
The mail in boxes that have an outgoing. 00:48:48
Yeah, mail thing in it so. 00:48:51
It's not a big kicker for them. 00:48:54
And my argument has been we need one at the City Hall, at least for people that come in or want to just, you know, I know probably 00:48:56
not part of these neighborhoods. I want to mail stuff. 00:49:01
And they said that they make again as cash that they're, you know, having a study. 00:49:06
To move a box that's not being as utilized as they want it to be. 00:49:11
To our city. Hopefully they said that should be completed sometime. 00:49:19
In, you know, June, so I've given them some time. I haven't pushed yet, but. 00:49:25
I could probably go pushing a little bit more so they know June is getting close. 00:49:30
All right, cool. Thank you, Anthony. Thanks guys. Anything else? 00:49:35
Just a couple of updates on our side. 00:49:39
The next phase of Utah City or downtown is has started. It's a phase 2C. The utilities are being installed. 00:49:43
There right now. 00:49:52
So that's just the phase just north of where they're building those buildings right now, OK. 00:49:54
And they're kind of getting close on starting the park area between them as well. 00:50:01
Also, UDOT has identified a trail along Vineyard Connector as a high priority trail for them, so it's a trail that will connect. 00:50:08
The the lake trail. 00:50:18
Come up by 300 W to Vineyard connector and then follow vineyard connector up. 00:50:20
To basically to the Interstate, OK. So that's a high priority for them. So that's that's just starting planning. 00:50:27
Phases, but OK, cool. And that's coming up. 00:50:35
Great. And then I did have a question about, I don't know if it's phase three of Utah City or? 00:50:38
But they have to have a parking plan for the entire development. Do you know if they have any updates on that? If they have any 00:50:45
progress, I haven't heard, but I know they are getting ready to submit another site plan soon, so I will make sure I believe it's. 00:50:51
The certificate of occupancy, this will be held up so they could get building permits for these next phases. Mm-hmm. And once 00:50:57
again, it's one of those things that. 00:51:01
It's it's hard to do a parking study if nobody's living there yet, because we do want to observe real world conditions. Yeah, it 00:51:05
was less of a study as. 00:51:09
As much as it's a plan. Oh, true. Yeah, you're you're right, it is a plan. So I'll, I'll remind Bronson with the the developer to 00:51:13
to look into that. I feel like I see more cars parked out there every day And yeah, nobody lives out there. Yeah. So and hopefully 00:51:18
we're working on actually quite a few things. I can give a brief update on our we have a parking study going on right now with 00:51:23
Ave. Consultants. 00:51:28
And one thing we're examining right now is the parking at lakefront because we do believe a lot of people parking at the near the 00:51:34
Frontner station are residents of Lakefront because we have that that parking restriction there. So we're actually looking at kind 00:51:39
of how can we redesign 300 W. 00:51:44
There to actually increase the amount of parking but also improve pedestrian safety quite a bit because there's very few crossings 00:51:50
there. 00:51:53
And and so far we've made some good progress with that and I think we're budgeting it for next year to to get these improvements 00:51:58
made. 00:52:01
And and we might have to implement some sort of parking permit program in the neighborhood in on that street as it is city owned 00:52:06
property. So we're still kind of in in conversations with HOA there of of how we can kind of get a win win for for everybody here. 00:52:13
And hopefully once we figure that out, then they can start enforcing the parking over there because those streets, the streets 00:52:21
near the front are, they're all private. So, you know, if I grow tonight wanted to say they don't want anybody to park there, they 00:52:26
could, you know, take some action, but they haven't. 00:52:32
Does frontrunner? 00:52:38
Do they have any plans of having more parking or do they know that that parking lot is full every day but they are aware I. 00:52:42
I think every person I've talked to with UTA says that they're very impressed with the success of the Vineyard Station. I don't 00:52:49
think they have any plans to increase the amount of parking there yet. I could be wrong. I've heard more long term plans. 00:52:56
Say that again. I've heard there's more long term plans for more parking there, but yeah, with the parking garage and stuff, yeah, 00:53:04
as development. 00:53:07
Happens around it. They'll add parking, but OK. 00:53:11
Cool. And is that like an asphalt trail then I assume? Yeah. They said this is a new initiative by the the governor and I don't 00:53:52
think they have their standards yet of of what they want these trails to look like, but I think they said they're aiming for a. 00:54:00
10 foot minimum. So they wouldn't do anything less than that and that'll go up over the overpass I assume. Yeah, so one thing they 00:54:08
brought up is that they they really don't like the the switchbacks that that are there. 00:54:15
And so they said their trail alignment would actually bypass that and just keep going down the South side there. 00:54:23
We're actually also looking at at designing a little pocket park here at Tucker Row and part of that will also be kind of figuring 00:54:30
out how to better align that switch back and landscape that that section. 00:54:35
So we can hopefully work with the Utah Trail Network people to create a really cool kind of interchange there between the two 00:54:40
trails. Cool. So would that be like a class one backpack? 00:54:44
Completely detached from the road? Yeah, Yep. 00:54:49
Yeah, that'd be great. 00:54:54
If it is part of a greater system, if there's a pocket park there. 00:54:55
But I love the idea of having little bike amenities there. 00:54:59
Yeah, I think we're, we've requested budget for this upcoming fiscal year to get the designs for this park. 00:55:04
Especially as the the water pipeline project here is finishing up and they're finally going to hopefully put that path back in 00:55:11
soon in the next. 00:55:15
Few weeks. 00:55:20
And then from there we can look at what we can do to really improve that area. We have gone through all the processes to get take 00:55:22
over ownership of that land from the HOA though I believe that's all taken care of, right Anthony? 00:55:28
So the city. 00:55:34
Finalized. Yeah, it's being finalized right now where the city will own it and then from there we can work on these designs and 00:55:36
implementing it. 00:55:40
Cool. Yeah. 00:55:44
Could be cool to have if the switch back goes away and we decide to do asphalt there that connects to that trail that runs along 00:55:45
the railroad. You could do some switchbacks to longboard on or walk on or something. OK, cool. Thank you guys so much. 00:55:52
If that's everything. 00:56:00
Then we'll adjourn the meeting. Thank you, guys. 00:56:03
Which is? 00:56:14
So they said. 00:56:18
But it would be like. 00:56:23
So if you have a pocket. 00:56:30
Make it for the trail, Yeah, Yeah. We've been in a lot of the other parts that we've approved. We've been doing kind of the same 00:56:35
thing where there's like like along the lake, we're doing little pockets along the trail. 00:56:41
But that's what I. 00:56:47
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