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Consent Items  1.Approval of April,24 Planning Commission Meeting Minutes  2.Approval of March24 Planning Commission Meeting Minutes
MOTION: COMMISSIONER BRAD FAGG MOTIONED TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AT04PM. COMMISSIONER GRADEN OSTLER SECONDED THE MOTION. THOSE WOHO VOTED IN FAVOR: BRADY, OSTLER, BRAMWELL, AND FAGG. THE VOTE CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.    Business Items              1.
LivAway Suites - Hotel in GRMU
Planner Anthony Fletcher provided the planning commission with a brief overview of the application and processes that have already taken place. He introduced the applicant, Jeremy Raymond. He mentioned that the final plat amendment has some conditions before it is able to be recorded.
Jeremy Raymond, general counsel with West Partners, introduced the team he is working with. He proceeded to provide the planning commission with an overview of what the LivAway Suites brand is. It is intended to be an extended stay hotel with6 amount of rooms.% of the rooms will have a king bed and% will have a double queen bed. Each room will have a full kitchen. The product is tailored to work travel. They are hoping to start construction in the next few months and hope to be open by October or November of25.
Planner Fletcher reviewed the site plan and explained that the site meets minimum requirements for traffic flow and parking. The current plan does not provide enough trees to meet the code. They are currently at% landscaping and they need to provide at least% landscaping. He described the elevations of the building. The main entrance will be on the west elevation.
Planner Fletcher listed the conditions as follows: all building design requirements will be met, applicant will make provisions for a site plan amendments for landscaping along Geneva Road once discussions with UDOT are finalized to expand Geneva Road, the applicant will provide and updated landscaping plan, areas where pedestrian walkways cross driveways shall be constructed of stamped or raised concrete, applicant shall comply with all requirements provided by the fire marshal regarding fire access and maximize the safety and convenience of pedestrian flow throughout the site, pays outstanding fees, and subject to all federal, state, and local laws. He added that staff recommends the approval with these conditions.
Commissioner Fagg asked why the crosswalk was designed by stamped concrete. It was explained that it is a city requirement. Safety is a concern in the winter.   Discussion about the reviewing process for deciphering material and it was stated that different material is a requirement. The applicant stated that they could use stamped asphalt instead.
Commissioner Ostler asked how close the direct competitors are.
Kerri Findlay stated that extended stay in American Fork is the closest competitor. The Hyatt House is also nearby. There is not a lot in this market for this type of use.   Commissioner Ostler asked about how long people may stay. Ms. Findlay explained that their bread and butter is14 days but people are able to stay one (1) night if needed. Six (6) months to one (1) year is available.
Commissioner Ostler asked how the West Jordan building compares to this one. The applicant said that it is the same prototype building. Commissioner Ostler asked about parking numbers and the applicant said that they operate at%-80% occupancy which is why the parking is not1.
Vice-Chair Brady thanked the applicant for including the dog play area. He had no further questions.   Planner Fletcher provided a sample motion.
MOTION: COMMISSIONER BRAMWELL MOTIONED TO APPROVE THE SITE PLAN AND CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AS PROVIDED BY THE APPLICANT WITH THE CONDITIONS AS PRESENTSED AT24PM. COMMISSIONER FAGG SECONDED THE MOTION. ALL VOTED YES: BRADY, OSTLER, BRAMWELL, AND FAGG. THE VOTE CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.  Work Session   No work items were submitted.  Staff, Commission, and Committee Reports
Planner Fletcher provided a staff update about the TAG grant for the redesign of Mill Road and a wayfinding plan for the city. He stated that an RFP is about to be published. The Planning Commission and Bicycle Advisory Committee will be engaged in the plan.
Community Development Director Morgan Brim mentioned that a steering committee will take place with members of the Planning Commission. He also introduced Madison Reed as the new Planning Technician.   Planner Hancey explained new projects coming to the planning commission in the coming months.
Vice-Chair Brady asked about the postal service box. Planner Fletcher provided an update that because the city has the community mail boxes, it is delaying the process. Planner Hancey noted that it has been difficult to find someone to talk to but that someone did come in to get Utah City mail into the discussion.   Commissioner Bramwell mentioned that John Curtis is doing a listening tour in Vineyard and stated that he is interested in hearing any residents needs for the community. It will be happening on either Augusth at America First Credit Union.
Commissioner Bramwell asked about how the planning commission could work on how the city addresses golf carts on trails.    Mr. Brim acknowledged that it could be if it is something we want to have discussions about in the future. Discussion ensued about this.
Adjournment   Vice-Chair Brady adjourned the meeting at36pm.     MINUTES CERTIFIED CORRECT ON: 21/2024   CERTIFIED (NOTICED) BY:                                                      Madison Reed, Planning Technician
That's all. 00:00:00
Today is July 17th. This is the Vineyard Planning Commission meeting. It is. 00:00:02
So, 2:00 PM And we'll get right into things. Uh, Chris Primo is gonna give us an invocation and Pledge of Allegiance. 00:00:07
Our Father in heaven we're very great bless you be here today every day Planning Commission and as public employees they respond 00:00:16
to this as we peer reviews tonight that we can be grateful for this nation that would be blindfolded constitution and the rights 00:00:22
of those who are coming to force today to to do work with their properties. Thankful for all you've given us for the city of Jesus 00:00:28
Christ. 00:00:34
Amen. 00:00:41
Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, 00:00:46
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:00:52
All right, thank you so much. All right, we will move into, uh, public comments if there are any. Doesn't look like they're gonna 00:01:01
be any public comments. We'll move into the consent items for approval. Umm, do I have a motion on that? Have you guys been able 00:01:06
to walk over the minutes? 00:01:11
I wasn't here for one of them, OK, so I wouldn't make it. 00:01:18
Either you guys want to make a motion on the consent items. 00:01:22
Just a minute, All right. Do I have a second? 00:01:29
All right. 00:01:37
OK. All right. Second from Graydon. All in favor, aye. All right, moving to business item 5.3. Anthony, I got it. 00:01:39
Into this one at the Liveway Suites and Hotel and the GR meals. 00:01:48
All right, so umm. 00:01:56
My name is Anthony and I will be presenting on the live away suites. Umm, we have an applicant to pull in. I mean submit an 00:01:58
application for conditional use permit and a side plan and we have applicants here today to answer any questions and tell us more 00:02:07
about the hotel. Umm, then I can go ahead and share my analysis as well. But before we do that I would like to. 00:02:15
Before we invite the applicant, I'd like to just give you a location context. 00:02:25
So umm, the site is going to be located right on Geneva Rd. 00:02:36
And. 00:02:41
The red section there is the area awareness site is the hotel site is going to be a close site. 00:02:44
So on the full side will be a combination of lot 204 and 2:05. In that area they apply for a final plan amendment which was 00:02:54
approved on the 20th of June with conditions. Uh, there were a lot of umm, tax stuff that needed to be cleared. So, umm, that is a 00:03:01
condition. 00:03:08
Tending to be resolved before they can go ahead and record the plat. Umm, the proposed project is located within our GRMU and uh 00:03:16
zone and that requires a conditional use permit for the kind of operations of the hotel. So they have that application as part of 00:03:25
this one and I would leave this umm. 00:03:33
To the applicant right now to just tell us a lot more about the the project. 00:03:41
All right. 00:03:49
Thank you very much for your time today and allowing us to be here. Can you spell your name? And oh, my name is Jeremy Raymond. 00:03:51
I'm General Campbell for uh, W 77 Partners. The developer for this project. Also here is Kerry Simbley. She is our director of 00:03:59
acquisitions and she will come up and clarify anything that I don't know the answer to. Also with this is Brady Morris, who I'm 00:04:06
sure some of you are familiar with. He is with enzyme engineering and he is. 00:04:13
Engineering on this project and been heavily involved with Anthony and the rest of the staff, uh, which expects the application 00:04:21
and all that. So thanks Anthony for your brief summary on this. Like you said, this is going to be a level way suite branded 00:04:29
extended stay hotel. Umm, this is a new second few modern brand. It's not still product. Umm, it caught us. 00:04:38
An exciting time we are opening a hotel. 00:04:47
In West Jordan and Dave probably next week, early next week. So we're excited to do that opening and, uh, you know, really get 00:04:51
ourselves on the map. We also recently just broke ground on a hotel, Liberty Suites, Brandon's hotel in Draper, umm. 00:05:00
I will let Anthony speak to condition, but we have already been through the staff report, umm, and we started addressing the 00:05:12
conditions that Anthony suggested, but we can talk about that in more detail later, uh, later. As far as the product itself, like 00:05:21
I said in some extended stay hotel, UMM has 126 guest rooms, 4 floors. 00:05:30
About 59,711 square feet and the composition of rooms about 60% single king, 40% double clean. Umm, I can show this picture. 00:05:39
So you guys can get a little idea of what the rooms look like. Sorry I didn't turn off a bunch of them, but I should give you a 00:05:51
general idea. Umm, extended stay. A lot of people aren't familiar with what that is, but it's basically just a hotel that's 00:05:57
tailored towards longer stays and it has a full kitchen. So cook top, refrigerator, refrigerator, microwave, uh, dishwasher, so on 00:06:04
and so forth. 00:06:10
Umm, it's really tailored towards traveling workers, construction teams, medical professional, military, military families, uh, 00:06:17
relocating families, general business travelers. 00:06:24
Digital nomads, government here, university type people. So we think the clientele and guests for the hotel will be well served. 00:06:30
We're super excited about this product. Umm, super excited to bring it to Vineyard. Umm, can't wait to work with the community and 00:06:38
uh, we hope to commit construction. 00:06:46
In the coming months, and it's usually 12 to 14 months, Bill, but we're gonna do everything we can to get the thing opened by 00:06:55
October, November of next year. Umm, like I said, we're here for any questions that you may have. 00:07:01
I don't know procedurally how you want to do that. You want to finish and then we opened up the questions or you guys tell me. 00:07:07
Yeah, we'll have Anthony finish up and then go for this question. Thank you so much. 00:07:12
Thanks, Jeremy. 00:07:20
So, umm. 00:07:29
I'll just go straight to the site plan. 00:07:31
So that is umm, the site plan that was presented, uh, to be approved as part of the package. And they had 122, uh, parking stalls, 00:07:36
uh, which met our code right on the minimum requirements, umm, 12 byte racks They have umm. 00:07:46
Pretty much, you know, all the accessibility, they met the minimum requirements for the accessible parking as well. And uh, they 00:07:57
have also, we've worked with them to be able to have umm, the exits and umm, entryways into this lot as accessible to, uh, its 00:08:06
users as it can be. Uh, we also recommended them to. 00:08:15
Create this walk in, you know, uh, crosswalk. 00:08:24
That is more visible. Before they had one that would just cross from here over to the side to the building, but then we had them 00:08:28
corrected to this l-shaped one, uh, stamped concrete that would be more visible and make, uh, pedestrians more safe, uh, walking 00:08:34
through the lot. 00:08:39
So with a landscaping plan, we work with them to get as many trees as are required in the code. However, umm, the percentage did 00:08:47
not quite, uh, get to the where where minimum requirements. So I was working with the, you know, the engineer, Brady Morris to 00:08:56
have this updated to meet that, that code. Currently it's about. 00:09:05
12 to 19% Umm. 00:09:14
But the code requires it to be about 20%. So from our discussions, they are probably gonna get it to about 20.1 based on, umm, the 00:09:18
changes that need to be done. Umm, and that would include making some of these umm, walkways, uh, pervious and umm, you know. 00:09:29
Just having a lot more landscaping, you know, features along, uh, this Pennsylvania past year around the building. 00:09:41
Uh, on the elevations we have this view being the one you see on the Geneva Rd. going to be the east view. 00:09:54
And that's going to be the the main entrance view, which is going to be the West elevation. 00:10:05
And both North and South elevations as well. 00:10:16
So, umm, as part of the conditions, we have a list of conditions here. Umm, that. 00:10:24
We recommend a staff to be met before as part of the con, uh, you know, approval. If you decide to approve this, then all these 00:10:31
are met. Umm, The first would be that the a potential meet all the building design requirements. Umm therefore by the city. 00:10:39
Applicants shall also make provisions for a site plan amendment, especially for the landscaping. 00:10:47
To accommodate, umm, the changes, the possible changes that could happen after our discussion because we're coordinating with new 00:10:56
dots right now. 00:11:00
Regarding the expansion of Geneva Rd. which could affect the landscaping along the Geneva roadside of their building on their 00:11:05
property. So, umm, we wanna have it in here as a condition for them to make provision to be available to do this change, to work 00:11:13
with U dot and the city when that happens. 00:11:20
Umm, as I mentioned earlier, the applicant would also have to provide an updated land landscaping plan to meet the minimum 00:11:31
requirements per percentage for the site. 00:11:36
And this is a standard condition that we have, which is that that applicant shall observe all the cities, uh, nuisance general 00:11:44
ordinances outlined in the, uh, municipal code. 00:11:50
So areas where pedestrian cross, uh. 00:11:56
Crosses the driveway shall be constructed of stamped concrete. 00:12:00
Or some other material that differentiates them from uh, vehicle being used in the, in the same site for safety reasons. And the 00:12:05
applicants are also comply with all requirements provided by the fire Marshall regarding fire access and maximize the safety and 00:12:13
convenience of pedestrian flow throughout the city. I mean throughout the site. 00:12:22
Now the applicant must also pay all outstanding fees. 00:12:32
And make any red line corrections, including the ones that we shared so far that apart from the landscaping, there isn't anything 00:12:36
umm that needs to be corrected. 00:12:41
In regards to the UH submission and UMM, applicant shall be subject to all federal, state and local laws as well. 00:12:48
So. 00:12:59
Staff recommends that umm this this umm. 00:13:01
Application for conditional use permit and umm you know the site plan be approved with these conditions. 00:13:08
Right. 00:13:19
Thanks, Anthony. Any questions from the Commission? 00:13:19
Alright, you wanna turn your microphone on? Thank you. Umm, one question, why did you guys go with stamp concrete? 00:13:24
Yeah, have you ever walked on it in the winter? 00:13:35
It's a city requirement, isn't it? It's a city requirement. 00:13:39
Consistent with the project. 00:13:44
Have you ever fallen on it? 00:13:50
But yeah, like the camp concrete in the winter gets ice and gets like the thin layer and people fall all the time. 00:13:54
Yeah, and one thing we consider doing instead of Sam Francisco. Yeah, No, the asphalt goes like not, it's not asleep, but my 00:14:03
father-in-law has stamped concrete all over his driveway and stuff because he thought it was cool. And my kids fall on it. 00:14:10
Everyone is like 20 kids fall. It's not fun. So. 00:14:18
I guess it looks cool and it's and it looks great, but. 00:14:27
It's not on the other part, OK. 00:14:33
You guys want to address that? 00:14:38
So during our last, umm, DRC, it was a recommendation by the engineer. Uh, that was something that came from the scene. So yeah. 00:14:41
And maybe a requirement from the standard. 00:14:48
Yeah, I can't provide engineer so. 00:14:56
I mean that that's something that we could have in the same look at. I mean, they're going to have their own liability issues. So 00:14:59
they're not going to put anything that's too slick and there is like stuff that you can put in it, like sand and stuff. But I 00:15:03
mean. 00:15:07
Umm, submit for our uh. 00:15:14
My observance for that. 00:15:18
So there's a technical review. 00:15:23
At that point. 00:15:27
As far as the stands, concrete in front of Top Golf, if they have any issues at all, I feel like they haven't. No, that's not that 00:15:31
that material. I don't know if that's standing. It's how, how, how. 00:15:37
So. 00:15:47
So maybe a suggestion would be to change that from a standstill and for you to could you go to the conditions Anthony on the 00:15:49
screen? 00:15:52
Because we have had issues with Samsung page. 00:15:57
Yeah. So the, the condition would allow us to kind of let staff determine what would be best used working with the applicant by, 00:16:03
you know, or other material and design to differentiate the area, especially in the important interface. So that's the biggest 00:16:09
thing is we're just trying to protect, you know, as as somebody's driving, they see a different color, they see different 00:16:14
material, umm, whether that is stamped concrete or asphalt or whatever it may be. We, we can work with them on that in the 00:16:20
technical review process. Yeah, Well, well. 00:16:26
So during that, during that process, we'll, we'll, uh, convey your, uh, your comments, umm, to, to the same. 00:16:32
Thank you. Any other questions, Brad? 00:16:39
OK, great. In the oven please. Yeah, I just have a couple of questions. As far as the, you know, business standpoint, how close 00:16:42
are your direct competitors or what else is there out there like just these kind of things? 00:16:50
Less than seven partners. So probably the closest competitor would be the Extended Stay America the last week in American sports, 00:17:00
it's still far below what we would consider a direct competitor. There's not a lot. You have a Hyatt House consultant girls, I 00:17:06
believe OK, which is an extended stay, a little bit of a higher end product as well, but not a lot actually in this market that we 00:17:12
would be. 00:17:18
Looking heavily with yeah, this is exciting and as far as you know business model, are people able to stay one night? Do people 00:17:25
stay a full? 00:17:31
Year, yeah. So we, our bread and butter is a week to two weeks. Umm, that's often optimizes the operating model. Umm, But yes, if 00:17:37
they wanna stay a night, we charge them for it. So it's a little bit more similar to a true or courtyard or something like that 00:17:44
where they're gonna pay $120.00 a night for one night. It just costs more to turn the room if they're only staying one night. But 00:17:52
by all means they can. Umm, but we typically do weekly. 00:17:59
Reservations, but we it's been known to have people say six months for a year plus if they want to, OK. 00:18:07
Very cool. And you mentioned one building is underway up north. Umm, how does that compare in size? So it's exactly the same as 00:18:14
our prototype design, umm. 00:18:20
That's the first little way to open. So it's scheduled open on Monday on the 26th. Guest rooms up there. And I gotta ask, uh, 00:18:28
we've got 122 parking here. How much is, uh, parking up there? So they do have one to one parking that's typically we see 00:18:36
nationwide. That's pretty standard requirements. Umm, our management portion of the company they manage this year, so of similar 00:18:43
products and their busiest hotels, they don't see more than 80% of the sales being used and we've seen that. 00:18:50
With our portfolio as well. So that's what we target, 70 to 80%. As long as we have that much, we really aren't concerned about a 00:18:58
little bit less parking than one to one. Yeah, get construction proven. So it's safe to say it's the same size of hotel 126 and 00:19:05
the number of parking spots is the same. So that one has 126. Well, I thought you mentioned here you're gonna have 126 parking 00:19:12
spells 122. 00:19:19
122 Oh, got you 122 yeah. And there are four more up there. OK. Yeah, so. 00:19:27
Cool, we're excited. Umm, and just to find out it it does mean Arizona code for parking. 00:19:34
Cool any other questions for you No, of course you got anything? No questions all right uh thank you guys for putting in that dog 00:19:42
area. That was a lot of money for questions uh, but yeah everything yeah I I saw that on the website that's why I brought it up in 00:19:48
the group meeting uh, it looks great umm. 00:19:55
Yeah, yeah, I didn't have any other questions either. Umm, sorry to have you guys here. Umm. That being said, does anybody wanna 00:20:03
make a motion? 00:20:06
You got it. 00:20:13
It went first. Yeah. You have the motion for him. 00:20:17
OK. 00:20:29
If I can beat you to it, I'm trying to find it as well. 00:20:42
So it's going to be so sample motion will be to approve the site plan and conditional use permit as requested by, you know, the 00:20:46
applicant, Randy Morris, umm, what the, you know, conditions provided if there isn't anything else you want to add to it. So I'm 00:20:53
going to approve the site plan and conditional use permits as requested by Brady Morris, the applicant with the conditions as 00:20:59
presented. 00:21:06
Try this again. 00:21:13
Second, all in favor. Aye. All right. Thanks again. OK, Thank you very much. 00:21:15
Alright, we do not have any work sessions, just staff Commission and committee report. 00:21:23
So in giving a staff update, we shared with the team earlier on about the grant that we received, the tax grant which was about 00:21:40
$129,000 to prepare. 00:21:47
You know, redesigned Mill Rd. to be a more safe. 00:21:55
You know, corridor, uh, we designed all the intersections, uh, I mean selected intersections as well as umm, preparing a way of 00:21:59
finding master plan for the entire city. Umm, we are at the state where we're about to push out an RFP to get consultants, umm, 00:22:08
you know, interest, like consultants to, you know, share their proposals with us and make a selection. So. 00:22:17
This should hopefully get out by Monday. 00:22:27
Of next week. 00:22:29
Assistant now we umm, we're in a good space and we will be engaging the Planning Commission, the BAC and obviously the rest of the 00:22:32
city and making these two plans work for us the. 00:22:38
Middle Roadside is going to tackle the missing link in the active transportation plan that really. 00:22:47
Solves the problem of, you know, active transportation uses and safety on the east side of the city and there will be treated 00:22:56
more, but in addition to the active application and update as well. So that's it for now. 00:23:04
Cool. And we'll have plenty of opportunity for the, uh, Commission to be a part of it. Most likely there'll be a steering 00:23:14
committee. I believe that's one that pay has indicated being on that side of the track that she, umm, would have interest in 00:23:20
sitting on. And there would be a spot for, for one more. Obviously we can't 3 And so if there's interest from it, it'll be a fun 00:23:26
one. So tackling to, uh, two major projects. Umm, the other thing too, I don't know if. 00:23:32
We introduced, introduced, uh, Madison Reed yet to, to you all. Madison Reed is excellent. She is in our community development 00:23:39
department working as a planning technician. 00:23:43
Umm recently graduated with her urban ecology degree from the University of Utah. She ran track umm, on on her team and uh, yeah, 00:23:49
it's just really excellent. I think you this is our. So this will be a month umm, on on the job and she's, she's doing a great 00:23:56
job. So we're really excited to have, uh, Madison. So please introduce yourselves to her and umm, yeah, she'll be a really 00:24:04
important part of kind of facilitating immediately. You know, Jenna's ready and our reports and staff reports prepared and. 00:24:11
Umm, or, you know, new uses, umm, put into the district use table. So working really closely with like our, our, uh, business 00:24:49
licensing, uh, employee and some other people throughout the city to, to kind of bolster our, our zoning code quite a bit more. 00:24:55
Umm, and that, I'm assuming maybe like October is when, uh, that'll come to the Planning Commission for review. Umm, so it'll be a 00:25:01
pretty good, uh, way for all of us to get to know the zoning code a little bit better. Umm, and the other projects that's gonna be 00:25:06
coming down the pipeline. 00:25:12
Planning Commission, hopefully August 7th, we're gonna have, umm, quite a few site plans. Uh, we have 4 site plans, uh, that we're 00:25:18
reviewing right now for Utah City, which does include the grocery store, umm, So August 7th we can hopefully, uh, have that 00:25:26
Planning Commission for review so they can get started on construction pretty soon. Umm, and then the fire station as well. We're 00:25:33
gonna be taking that through, umm, Planning Commission on August 7th and they're looking to start construction. 00:25:40
The next day if possible. 00:25:47
On that uh, so that's another exciting, uh, update in the city. Cool. 00:25:49
Good afternoon. I'm going to ask because it's July now, uh, Postal Service box. 00:25:56
Yeah, I did follow up with, uh, the post office, the post. 00:26:05
I know it's called the post director and the postmaster, and the comment that I had that delayed the whole process is because, 00:26:09
umm, we have, umm, we don't have the home, you know, the home mailboxes like it is in different cities where every home has its 00:26:16
own mailbox. We have a community, uh, style mailboxes and each of those ones have, umm, an outgoing mail slot. So that has been 00:26:24
one of the contributing factor to the reason why umm, they have. 00:26:31
Make this whole process. But according to them we are still conducting a study to justify the reason for really, you know, 00:26:39
bringing us mailbox in here. Yeah, just somewhere to drop off packages. I think one other potential update on that is we actually 00:26:45
one of the the biggest issues that we've had is finding the right person to talk to if you go up to the forum post service post 00:26:52
whatever billing, yeah. 00:26:59
They're always very busy and don't seem to have the time to talk to anybody. 00:27:07
But they actually came to our office, the one of the postmasters did, because they want to start talking about how mail is going 00:27:12
to work for the whole Utah City development and they really want to have an input on how those mailboxes are going to function. So 00:27:18
I think we have a way to have, you know, a good contact with somebody at the Postal Service that's willing to maybe help us out in 00:27:23
getting a post office box here. Y'all, OK. 00:27:29
John, uh, Curtis, he's doing a listening tour, I think it was August 5th or 7th here in Vineyard specifically for residents. Like 00:27:36
I signed up to talk to him about some other projects and stuff. Uh, but it's specifically he wanted to know, umm, and he's likely 00:27:42
to be our next senator as well, but specifically he wanted to know, uh, citizen needs for federal services. So I think that would 00:27:48
be a good example of one to go and talk to him. I know they're bringing SSA, IRS, other people to talk. I bet if you mentioned to 00:27:54
him. 00:28:00
We'd love to have post office there too. You could directly have that conversation and you can sign up for five minute increments 00:28:06
to actually talk and have the people there too. And that might make more movement happen than anything else. OK, when is that? Uh, 00:28:13
it was August 5th or 7th. OK, Umm, I'll look at my e-mail and I can forward you. It might still be a sign up spot. Perfect. You 00:28:21
know where that's located. Uh, they were doing it at, uh, what's the new credit union over there? Mountain America. 00:28:28
Or UCC Union Mountain America should isn't open yet. It's on the corner right by the UCC here. I'll just look it up. 00:28:36
First half. 00:28:45
If you use the one by the theater, there's just not a lot of space that you see you. 00:28:48
Pretty small because it's one of those like digital Credit Union. 00:28:53
Bye. 00:28:57
And the grand opening for a ton of people in there. I was calling. Maybe I'll just crammed in. Yeah, it's a lot smaller than their 00:28:59
typical layout. Yeah, he's doing it. It's August 5th, from 6th to 7:30. It's not America First Credit Union. OK. 00:29:06
Is where they're holding it umm, I do have one last little update uh, we should actually umm you mentioned mountain America credit 00:29:14
union should be opening sometime soon umm they're on mill Rd. there right on the corner as well as Jersey Mike's will be opening 00:29:20
up umm hopefully in the you know next week or two umm but yeah we've got we've had quite a few you know new businesses open in 00:29:26
that area the Kung Fu key and. 00:29:33
The ice cream, yeah, still melt. So we have quite a few businesses that are that are still coming to vineyards and helping the 00:29:39
yard fill up. 00:29:44
Michael awesome. Anything else from staff? That's everything Cool. Anything else from the Commission? I, I had a, a question and 00:29:49
maybe a request. So, umm, do we have any involvement in the discussion when they start discussing the umm, golf carts and how we 00:29:54
may change transportation around that or clarify rules? Is that something that Planning Commission needs to be considering? You 00:30:00
know, we haven't really been involved. It's more of the public right of way, But I mean, it could be. So I mean how we program 00:30:06
our. 00:30:12
To actually have like a good community layout structure. How do we change the road? So anything we could get maybe education wise 00:31:19
in a work session I think would be valuable. I know that we have looked at, we looked at a while back. I think it was, uh, ATVs. 00:31:25
I, I don't know all the weird acronyms, but umm, you know, side by side we, we look at those a couple years ago, umm, and I think 00:31:31
golf carts was one of those things that we looked at as well. Umm, now we're gonna be doing our lake trail and that will be 00:31:37
expanded to 15 feet, but honestly. 00:31:43
Route my thought would even be on the existing trail type system that we have. I think a lot of it is going to the different parts 00:32:19
to club houses, but it's probably gonna wanna people wanna have them down in the late front. So even minor adjustments or long 00:32:25
term findings or how we widen it how we sort of separation between bikes pedestrians, yeah cars. But it probably takes some of 00:32:31
that longer term signing to get it into some sort of. 00:32:37
Transportation. So Sam and I almost got run over. We really did. We were on a sidewalk talking with some engineers about adding a 00:32:44
across Tampa school and his first she was like a nine year old that she's taken the whole sidewalk. 00:32:49
Did not slow down. We all jumped off the sidewalk. So yeah, there's probably an appropriate place for him. But yeah, we definitely 00:32:55
need some rules that help help govern that if we if it's allowed. So. But there is a lot of them in the city and it's becoming 00:33:00
more and more. 00:33:05
Cool. There's nothing else from the Commission on staff then. Meeting adjourned. 00:33:11
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That's all. 00:00:00
Today is July 17th. This is the Vineyard Planning Commission meeting. It is. 00:00:02
So, 2:00 PM And we'll get right into things. Uh, Chris Primo is gonna give us an invocation and Pledge of Allegiance. 00:00:07
Our Father in heaven we're very great bless you be here today every day Planning Commission and as public employees they respond 00:00:16
to this as we peer reviews tonight that we can be grateful for this nation that would be blindfolded constitution and the rights 00:00:22
of those who are coming to force today to to do work with their properties. Thankful for all you've given us for the city of Jesus 00:00:28
Christ. 00:00:34
Amen. 00:00:41
Pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, 00:00:46
indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:00:52
All right, thank you so much. All right, we will move into, uh, public comments if there are any. Doesn't look like they're gonna 00:01:01
be any public comments. We'll move into the consent items for approval. Umm, do I have a motion on that? Have you guys been able 00:01:06
to walk over the minutes? 00:01:11
I wasn't here for one of them, OK, so I wouldn't make it. 00:01:18
Either you guys want to make a motion on the consent items. 00:01:22
Just a minute, All right. Do I have a second? 00:01:29
All right. 00:01:37
OK. All right. Second from Graydon. All in favor, aye. All right, moving to business item 5.3. Anthony, I got it. 00:01:39
Into this one at the Liveway Suites and Hotel and the GR meals. 00:01:48
All right, so umm. 00:01:56
My name is Anthony and I will be presenting on the live away suites. Umm, we have an applicant to pull in. I mean submit an 00:01:58
application for conditional use permit and a side plan and we have applicants here today to answer any questions and tell us more 00:02:07
about the hotel. Umm, then I can go ahead and share my analysis as well. But before we do that I would like to. 00:02:15
Before we invite the applicant, I'd like to just give you a location context. 00:02:25
So umm, the site is going to be located right on Geneva Rd. 00:02:36
And. 00:02:41
The red section there is the area awareness site is the hotel site is going to be a close site. 00:02:44
So on the full side will be a combination of lot 204 and 2:05. In that area they apply for a final plan amendment which was 00:02:54
approved on the 20th of June with conditions. Uh, there were a lot of umm, tax stuff that needed to be cleared. So, umm, that is a 00:03:01
condition. 00:03:08
Tending to be resolved before they can go ahead and record the plat. Umm, the proposed project is located within our GRMU and uh 00:03:16
zone and that requires a conditional use permit for the kind of operations of the hotel. So they have that application as part of 00:03:25
this one and I would leave this umm. 00:03:33
To the applicant right now to just tell us a lot more about the the project. 00:03:41
All right. 00:03:49
Thank you very much for your time today and allowing us to be here. Can you spell your name? And oh, my name is Jeremy Raymond. 00:03:51
I'm General Campbell for uh, W 77 Partners. The developer for this project. Also here is Kerry Simbley. She is our director of 00:03:59
acquisitions and she will come up and clarify anything that I don't know the answer to. Also with this is Brady Morris, who I'm 00:04:06
sure some of you are familiar with. He is with enzyme engineering and he is. 00:04:13
Engineering on this project and been heavily involved with Anthony and the rest of the staff, uh, which expects the application 00:04:21
and all that. So thanks Anthony for your brief summary on this. Like you said, this is going to be a level way suite branded 00:04:29
extended stay hotel. Umm, this is a new second few modern brand. It's not still product. Umm, it caught us. 00:04:38
An exciting time we are opening a hotel. 00:04:47
In West Jordan and Dave probably next week, early next week. So we're excited to do that opening and, uh, you know, really get 00:04:51
ourselves on the map. We also recently just broke ground on a hotel, Liberty Suites, Brandon's hotel in Draper, umm. 00:05:00
I will let Anthony speak to condition, but we have already been through the staff report, umm, and we started addressing the 00:05:12
conditions that Anthony suggested, but we can talk about that in more detail later, uh, later. As far as the product itself, like 00:05:21
I said in some extended stay hotel, UMM has 126 guest rooms, 4 floors. 00:05:30
About 59,711 square feet and the composition of rooms about 60% single king, 40% double clean. Umm, I can show this picture. 00:05:39
So you guys can get a little idea of what the rooms look like. Sorry I didn't turn off a bunch of them, but I should give you a 00:05:51
general idea. Umm, extended stay. A lot of people aren't familiar with what that is, but it's basically just a hotel that's 00:05:57
tailored towards longer stays and it has a full kitchen. So cook top, refrigerator, refrigerator, microwave, uh, dishwasher, so on 00:06:04
and so forth. 00:06:10
Umm, it's really tailored towards traveling workers, construction teams, medical professional, military, military families, uh, 00:06:17
relocating families, general business travelers. 00:06:24
Digital nomads, government here, university type people. So we think the clientele and guests for the hotel will be well served. 00:06:30
We're super excited about this product. Umm, super excited to bring it to Vineyard. Umm, can't wait to work with the community and 00:06:38
uh, we hope to commit construction. 00:06:46
In the coming months, and it's usually 12 to 14 months, Bill, but we're gonna do everything we can to get the thing opened by 00:06:55
October, November of next year. Umm, like I said, we're here for any questions that you may have. 00:07:01
I don't know procedurally how you want to do that. You want to finish and then we opened up the questions or you guys tell me. 00:07:07
Yeah, we'll have Anthony finish up and then go for this question. Thank you so much. 00:07:12
Thanks, Jeremy. 00:07:20
So, umm. 00:07:29
I'll just go straight to the site plan. 00:07:31
So that is umm, the site plan that was presented, uh, to be approved as part of the package. And they had 122, uh, parking stalls, 00:07:36
uh, which met our code right on the minimum requirements, umm, 12 byte racks They have umm. 00:07:46
Pretty much, you know, all the accessibility, they met the minimum requirements for the accessible parking as well. And uh, they 00:07:57
have also, we've worked with them to be able to have umm, the exits and umm, entryways into this lot as accessible to, uh, its 00:08:06
users as it can be. Uh, we also recommended them to. 00:08:15
Create this walk in, you know, uh, crosswalk. 00:08:24
That is more visible. Before they had one that would just cross from here over to the side to the building, but then we had them 00:08:28
corrected to this l-shaped one, uh, stamped concrete that would be more visible and make, uh, pedestrians more safe, uh, walking 00:08:34
through the lot. 00:08:39
So with a landscaping plan, we work with them to get as many trees as are required in the code. However, umm, the percentage did 00:08:47
not quite, uh, get to the where where minimum requirements. So I was working with the, you know, the engineer, Brady Morris to 00:08:56
have this updated to meet that, that code. Currently it's about. 00:09:05
12 to 19% Umm. 00:09:14
But the code requires it to be about 20%. So from our discussions, they are probably gonna get it to about 20.1 based on, umm, the 00:09:18
changes that need to be done. Umm, and that would include making some of these umm, walkways, uh, pervious and umm, you know. 00:09:29
Just having a lot more landscaping, you know, features along, uh, this Pennsylvania past year around the building. 00:09:41
Uh, on the elevations we have this view being the one you see on the Geneva Rd. going to be the east view. 00:09:54
And that's going to be the the main entrance view, which is going to be the West elevation. 00:10:05
And both North and South elevations as well. 00:10:16
So, umm, as part of the conditions, we have a list of conditions here. Umm, that. 00:10:24
We recommend a staff to be met before as part of the con, uh, you know, approval. If you decide to approve this, then all these 00:10:31
are met. Umm, The first would be that the a potential meet all the building design requirements. Umm therefore by the city. 00:10:39
Applicants shall also make provisions for a site plan amendment, especially for the landscaping. 00:10:47
To accommodate, umm, the changes, the possible changes that could happen after our discussion because we're coordinating with new 00:10:56
dots right now. 00:11:00
Regarding the expansion of Geneva Rd. which could affect the landscaping along the Geneva roadside of their building on their 00:11:05
property. So, umm, we wanna have it in here as a condition for them to make provision to be available to do this change, to work 00:11:13
with U dot and the city when that happens. 00:11:20
Umm, as I mentioned earlier, the applicant would also have to provide an updated land landscaping plan to meet the minimum 00:11:31
requirements per percentage for the site. 00:11:36
And this is a standard condition that we have, which is that that applicant shall observe all the cities, uh, nuisance general 00:11:44
ordinances outlined in the, uh, municipal code. 00:11:50
So areas where pedestrian cross, uh. 00:11:56
Crosses the driveway shall be constructed of stamped concrete. 00:12:00
Or some other material that differentiates them from uh, vehicle being used in the, in the same site for safety reasons. And the 00:12:05
applicants are also comply with all requirements provided by the fire Marshall regarding fire access and maximize the safety and 00:12:13
convenience of pedestrian flow throughout the city. I mean throughout the site. 00:12:22
Now the applicant must also pay all outstanding fees. 00:12:32
And make any red line corrections, including the ones that we shared so far that apart from the landscaping, there isn't anything 00:12:36
umm that needs to be corrected. 00:12:41
In regards to the UH submission and UMM, applicant shall be subject to all federal, state and local laws as well. 00:12:48
So. 00:12:59
Staff recommends that umm this this umm. 00:13:01
Application for conditional use permit and umm you know the site plan be approved with these conditions. 00:13:08
Right. 00:13:19
Thanks, Anthony. Any questions from the Commission? 00:13:19
Alright, you wanna turn your microphone on? Thank you. Umm, one question, why did you guys go with stamp concrete? 00:13:24
Yeah, have you ever walked on it in the winter? 00:13:35
It's a city requirement, isn't it? It's a city requirement. 00:13:39
Consistent with the project. 00:13:44
Have you ever fallen on it? 00:13:50
But yeah, like the camp concrete in the winter gets ice and gets like the thin layer and people fall all the time. 00:13:54
Yeah, and one thing we consider doing instead of Sam Francisco. Yeah, No, the asphalt goes like not, it's not asleep, but my 00:14:03
father-in-law has stamped concrete all over his driveway and stuff because he thought it was cool. And my kids fall on it. 00:14:10
Everyone is like 20 kids fall. It's not fun. So. 00:14:18
I guess it looks cool and it's and it looks great, but. 00:14:27
It's not on the other part, OK. 00:14:33
You guys want to address that? 00:14:38
So during our last, umm, DRC, it was a recommendation by the engineer. Uh, that was something that came from the scene. So yeah. 00:14:41
And maybe a requirement from the standard. 00:14:48
Yeah, I can't provide engineer so. 00:14:56
I mean that that's something that we could have in the same look at. I mean, they're going to have their own liability issues. So 00:14:59
they're not going to put anything that's too slick and there is like stuff that you can put in it, like sand and stuff. But I 00:15:03
mean. 00:15:07
Umm, submit for our uh. 00:15:14
My observance for that. 00:15:18
So there's a technical review. 00:15:23
At that point. 00:15:27
As far as the stands, concrete in front of Top Golf, if they have any issues at all, I feel like they haven't. No, that's not that 00:15:31
that material. I don't know if that's standing. It's how, how, how. 00:15:37
So. 00:15:47
So maybe a suggestion would be to change that from a standstill and for you to could you go to the conditions Anthony on the 00:15:49
screen? 00:15:52
Because we have had issues with Samsung page. 00:15:57
Yeah. So the, the condition would allow us to kind of let staff determine what would be best used working with the applicant by, 00:16:03
you know, or other material and design to differentiate the area, especially in the important interface. So that's the biggest 00:16:09
thing is we're just trying to protect, you know, as as somebody's driving, they see a different color, they see different 00:16:14
material, umm, whether that is stamped concrete or asphalt or whatever it may be. We, we can work with them on that in the 00:16:20
technical review process. Yeah, Well, well. 00:16:26
So during that, during that process, we'll, we'll, uh, convey your, uh, your comments, umm, to, to the same. 00:16:32
Thank you. Any other questions, Brad? 00:16:39
OK, great. In the oven please. Yeah, I just have a couple of questions. As far as the, you know, business standpoint, how close 00:16:42
are your direct competitors or what else is there out there like just these kind of things? 00:16:50
Less than seven partners. So probably the closest competitor would be the Extended Stay America the last week in American sports, 00:17:00
it's still far below what we would consider a direct competitor. There's not a lot. You have a Hyatt House consultant girls, I 00:17:06
believe OK, which is an extended stay, a little bit of a higher end product as well, but not a lot actually in this market that we 00:17:12
would be. 00:17:18
Looking heavily with yeah, this is exciting and as far as you know business model, are people able to stay one night? Do people 00:17:25
stay a full? 00:17:31
Year, yeah. So we, our bread and butter is a week to two weeks. Umm, that's often optimizes the operating model. Umm, But yes, if 00:17:37
they wanna stay a night, we charge them for it. So it's a little bit more similar to a true or courtyard or something like that 00:17:44
where they're gonna pay $120.00 a night for one night. It just costs more to turn the room if they're only staying one night. But 00:17:52
by all means they can. Umm, but we typically do weekly. 00:17:59
Reservations, but we it's been known to have people say six months for a year plus if they want to, OK. 00:18:07
Very cool. And you mentioned one building is underway up north. Umm, how does that compare in size? So it's exactly the same as 00:18:14
our prototype design, umm. 00:18:20
That's the first little way to open. So it's scheduled open on Monday on the 26th. Guest rooms up there. And I gotta ask, uh, 00:18:28
we've got 122 parking here. How much is, uh, parking up there? So they do have one to one parking that's typically we see 00:18:36
nationwide. That's pretty standard requirements. Umm, our management portion of the company they manage this year, so of similar 00:18:43
products and their busiest hotels, they don't see more than 80% of the sales being used and we've seen that. 00:18:50
With our portfolio as well. So that's what we target, 70 to 80%. As long as we have that much, we really aren't concerned about a 00:18:58
little bit less parking than one to one. Yeah, get construction proven. So it's safe to say it's the same size of hotel 126 and 00:19:05
the number of parking spots is the same. So that one has 126. Well, I thought you mentioned here you're gonna have 126 parking 00:19:12
spells 122. 00:19:19
122 Oh, got you 122 yeah. And there are four more up there. OK. Yeah, so. 00:19:27
Cool, we're excited. Umm, and just to find out it it does mean Arizona code for parking. 00:19:34
Cool any other questions for you No, of course you got anything? No questions all right uh thank you guys for putting in that dog 00:19:42
area. That was a lot of money for questions uh, but yeah everything yeah I I saw that on the website that's why I brought it up in 00:19:48
the group meeting uh, it looks great umm. 00:19:55
Yeah, yeah, I didn't have any other questions either. Umm, sorry to have you guys here. Umm. That being said, does anybody wanna 00:20:03
make a motion? 00:20:06
You got it. 00:20:13
It went first. Yeah. You have the motion for him. 00:20:17
OK. 00:20:29
If I can beat you to it, I'm trying to find it as well. 00:20:42
So it's going to be so sample motion will be to approve the site plan and conditional use permit as requested by, you know, the 00:20:46
applicant, Randy Morris, umm, what the, you know, conditions provided if there isn't anything else you want to add to it. So I'm 00:20:53
going to approve the site plan and conditional use permits as requested by Brady Morris, the applicant with the conditions as 00:20:59
presented. 00:21:06
Try this again. 00:21:13
Second, all in favor. Aye. All right. Thanks again. OK, Thank you very much. 00:21:15
Alright, we do not have any work sessions, just staff Commission and committee report. 00:21:23
So in giving a staff update, we shared with the team earlier on about the grant that we received, the tax grant which was about 00:21:40
$129,000 to prepare. 00:21:47
You know, redesigned Mill Rd. to be a more safe. 00:21:55
You know, corridor, uh, we designed all the intersections, uh, I mean selected intersections as well as umm, preparing a way of 00:21:59
finding master plan for the entire city. Umm, we are at the state where we're about to push out an RFP to get consultants, umm, 00:22:08
you know, interest, like consultants to, you know, share their proposals with us and make a selection. So. 00:22:17
This should hopefully get out by Monday. 00:22:27
Of next week. 00:22:29
Assistant now we umm, we're in a good space and we will be engaging the Planning Commission, the BAC and obviously the rest of the 00:22:32
city and making these two plans work for us the. 00:22:38
Middle Roadside is going to tackle the missing link in the active transportation plan that really. 00:22:47
Solves the problem of, you know, active transportation uses and safety on the east side of the city and there will be treated 00:22:56
more, but in addition to the active application and update as well. So that's it for now. 00:23:04
Cool. And we'll have plenty of opportunity for the, uh, Commission to be a part of it. Most likely there'll be a steering 00:23:14
committee. I believe that's one that pay has indicated being on that side of the track that she, umm, would have interest in 00:23:20
sitting on. And there would be a spot for, for one more. Obviously we can't 3 And so if there's interest from it, it'll be a fun 00:23:26
one. So tackling to, uh, two major projects. Umm, the other thing too, I don't know if. 00:23:32
We introduced, introduced, uh, Madison Reed yet to, to you all. Madison Reed is excellent. She is in our community development 00:23:39
department working as a planning technician. 00:23:43
Umm recently graduated with her urban ecology degree from the University of Utah. She ran track umm, on on her team and uh, yeah, 00:23:49
it's just really excellent. I think you this is our. So this will be a month umm, on on the job and she's, she's doing a great 00:23:56
job. So we're really excited to have, uh, Madison. So please introduce yourselves to her and umm, yeah, she'll be a really 00:24:04
important part of kind of facilitating immediately. You know, Jenna's ready and our reports and staff reports prepared and. 00:24:11
Umm, or, you know, new uses, umm, put into the district use table. So working really closely with like our, our, uh, business 00:24:49
licensing, uh, employee and some other people throughout the city to, to kind of bolster our, our zoning code quite a bit more. 00:24:55
Umm, and that, I'm assuming maybe like October is when, uh, that'll come to the Planning Commission for review. Umm, so it'll be a 00:25:01
pretty good, uh, way for all of us to get to know the zoning code a little bit better. Umm, and the other projects that's gonna be 00:25:06
coming down the pipeline. 00:25:12
Planning Commission, hopefully August 7th, we're gonna have, umm, quite a few site plans. Uh, we have 4 site plans, uh, that we're 00:25:18
reviewing right now for Utah City, which does include the grocery store, umm, So August 7th we can hopefully, uh, have that 00:25:26
Planning Commission for review so they can get started on construction pretty soon. Umm, and then the fire station as well. We're 00:25:33
gonna be taking that through, umm, Planning Commission on August 7th and they're looking to start construction. 00:25:40
The next day if possible. 00:25:47
On that uh, so that's another exciting, uh, update in the city. Cool. 00:25:49
Good afternoon. I'm going to ask because it's July now, uh, Postal Service box. 00:25:56
Yeah, I did follow up with, uh, the post office, the post. 00:26:05
I know it's called the post director and the postmaster, and the comment that I had that delayed the whole process is because, 00:26:09
umm, we have, umm, we don't have the home, you know, the home mailboxes like it is in different cities where every home has its 00:26:16
own mailbox. We have a community, uh, style mailboxes and each of those ones have, umm, an outgoing mail slot. So that has been 00:26:24
one of the contributing factor to the reason why umm, they have. 00:26:31
Make this whole process. But according to them we are still conducting a study to justify the reason for really, you know, 00:26:39
bringing us mailbox in here. Yeah, just somewhere to drop off packages. I think one other potential update on that is we actually 00:26:45
one of the the biggest issues that we've had is finding the right person to talk to if you go up to the forum post service post 00:26:52
whatever billing, yeah. 00:26:59
They're always very busy and don't seem to have the time to talk to anybody. 00:27:07
But they actually came to our office, the one of the postmasters did, because they want to start talking about how mail is going 00:27:12
to work for the whole Utah City development and they really want to have an input on how those mailboxes are going to function. So 00:27:18
I think we have a way to have, you know, a good contact with somebody at the Postal Service that's willing to maybe help us out in 00:27:23
getting a post office box here. Y'all, OK. 00:27:29
John, uh, Curtis, he's doing a listening tour, I think it was August 5th or 7th here in Vineyard specifically for residents. Like 00:27:36
I signed up to talk to him about some other projects and stuff. Uh, but it's specifically he wanted to know, umm, and he's likely 00:27:42
to be our next senator as well, but specifically he wanted to know, uh, citizen needs for federal services. So I think that would 00:27:48
be a good example of one to go and talk to him. I know they're bringing SSA, IRS, other people to talk. I bet if you mentioned to 00:27:54
him. 00:28:00
We'd love to have post office there too. You could directly have that conversation and you can sign up for five minute increments 00:28:06
to actually talk and have the people there too. And that might make more movement happen than anything else. OK, when is that? Uh, 00:28:13
it was August 5th or 7th. OK, Umm, I'll look at my e-mail and I can forward you. It might still be a sign up spot. Perfect. You 00:28:21
know where that's located. Uh, they were doing it at, uh, what's the new credit union over there? Mountain America. 00:28:28
Or UCC Union Mountain America should isn't open yet. It's on the corner right by the UCC here. I'll just look it up. 00:28:36
First half. 00:28:45
If you use the one by the theater, there's just not a lot of space that you see you. 00:28:48
Pretty small because it's one of those like digital Credit Union. 00:28:53
Bye. 00:28:57
And the grand opening for a ton of people in there. I was calling. Maybe I'll just crammed in. Yeah, it's a lot smaller than their 00:28:59
typical layout. Yeah, he's doing it. It's August 5th, from 6th to 7:30. It's not America First Credit Union. OK. 00:29:06
Is where they're holding it umm, I do have one last little update uh, we should actually umm you mentioned mountain America credit 00:29:14
union should be opening sometime soon umm they're on mill Rd. there right on the corner as well as Jersey Mike's will be opening 00:29:20
up umm hopefully in the you know next week or two umm but yeah we've got we've had quite a few you know new businesses open in 00:29:26
that area the Kung Fu key and. 00:29:33
The ice cream, yeah, still melt. So we have quite a few businesses that are that are still coming to vineyards and helping the 00:29:39
yard fill up. 00:29:44
Michael awesome. Anything else from staff? That's everything Cool. Anything else from the Commission? I, I had a, a question and 00:29:49
maybe a request. So, umm, do we have any involvement in the discussion when they start discussing the umm, golf carts and how we 00:29:54
may change transportation around that or clarify rules? Is that something that Planning Commission needs to be considering? You 00:30:00
know, we haven't really been involved. It's more of the public right of way, But I mean, it could be. So I mean how we program 00:30:06
our. 00:30:12
To actually have like a good community layout structure. How do we change the road? So anything we could get maybe education wise 00:31:19
in a work session I think would be valuable. I know that we have looked at, we looked at a while back. I think it was, uh, ATVs. 00:31:25
I, I don't know all the weird acronyms, but umm, you know, side by side we, we look at those a couple years ago, umm, and I think 00:31:31
golf carts was one of those things that we looked at as well. Umm, now we're gonna be doing our lake trail and that will be 00:31:37
expanded to 15 feet, but honestly. 00:31:43
Route my thought would even be on the existing trail type system that we have. I think a lot of it is going to the different parts 00:32:19
to club houses, but it's probably gonna wanna people wanna have them down in the late front. So even minor adjustments or long 00:32:25
term findings or how we widen it how we sort of separation between bikes pedestrians, yeah cars. But it probably takes some of 00:32:31
that longer term signing to get it into some sort of. 00:32:37
Transportation. So Sam and I almost got run over. We really did. We were on a sidewalk talking with some engineers about adding a 00:32:44
across Tampa school and his first she was like a nine year old that she's taken the whole sidewalk. 00:32:49
Did not slow down. We all jumped off the sidewalk. So yeah, there's probably an appropriate place for him. But yeah, we definitely 00:32:55
need some rules that help help govern that if we if it's allowed. So. But there is a lot of them in the city and it's becoming 00:33:00
more and more. 00:33:05
Cool. There's nothing else from the Commission on staff then. Meeting adjourned. 00:33:11
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