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All right, welcome everybody. It is 6:02 PM This is the Vineyard Planning Commission meeting. It's August 21st. Uh, we'll get 00:00:20
right into things that Nathan is gonna give us, uh, indication and Pledge of Allegiance, right? So we'll start gonna invocation. 00:00:28
Our Father in heaven, we are thankful for this day and we're thankful for this opportunity to meet together and to discuss the 00:00:38
needs of our community. We pray that thou please inspire us with thy Spirit so that we can come to decisions and have a, umm, 00:00:44
professional conversation about the various items on this agenda so that we can ultimately do what's best for the community. This 00:00:50
Father we pray for in the name of Jesus Christ, Amen. 00:00:56
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. 00:01:08
And to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:01:13
All right. Thank you. 00:01:23
All right, we'll jump into the public comments. Do you have comments come up? State your name and yeah, anyone know? 00:01:25
Just comment about stuff that's in the check. Cool. We'll move to consent items. And uh, do I have a motion on the consent items 00:01:35
for the minutes? I'll move to approve the minutes. I have a second. 00:01:41
All right, all right, all in favor. 00:01:49
Business item UH 5.5 Public hearing on the Parks and Recreation master plan. 00:01:52
We've got this one. Umm, I, I can do a brief introduction while I'll get ready. Umm, we have Paul Kenny here with CRSA who we've 00:01:58
partnered with who do the parchment Earth Master Plan. Umm, I will know on the agenda. This is listed as a public hearing. Umm, 00:02:04
for the, the planning question to make an, uh, recommendation. Umm, we did put in, in the staff report that umm may be doing a 00:02:10
recommendation was a little bit premature. Umm, as as you'll see in Paul's presentation here, they've kind of done Part 1 of this 00:02:15
parking master plan. 00:02:21
Half will be, umm, kind of the finance side where we evaluate doing some sort of impact fee analysis, umm, and we think it'd be 00:02:28
best to include all of that together in, in the, uh, recommendation. So, umm, he'll handle just trying to talk about what they've 00:02:34
done so far and then the next step. So right now it's kind of a work set. Yeah, yeah, you could still do the public hearing or you 00:02:40
could postpone the public hearing until a later date where we have the actual like financial information from, umm, I think Zion's 00:02:46
Bank is, is doing it. 00:02:52
Just, umm, and that way the, the public can get a kind of bigger picture of, of what this will look like. OK umm, is that all 00:02:58
right, Brian? OK. And we're estimating maybe October for the financial piece or mid-october. OK, uh, I'll probably postpone the 00:03:05
public hearing, but I will allow comments, uh, tonight just to uh yeah, that, that, that was we, we did get some feedback from, 00:03:13
from the council, uh, City Council, but they did want to have earlier in the process, umm, some comments from the. 00:03:20
But umm, before we get to that financial side of them, so OK, cool. 00:03:28
All right, so, uh, like Brian said, we just wanted to give him kind of a brief introduction of what the next plan is. Could you 00:03:54
just state your name, sorry, into the mic for the records then? 00:04:01
You're right, uh, where your architect's been seeing, we have a team of our license landscape architects who are also department 00:04:09
with this, uh, partnering with documents and GDA. Umm, So what I wanted to do is just give you have a brief introduction. What is 00:04:15
the name and parts of our master plan and how's it going and what's the process? 00:04:21
Where we are today and where, umm, so starting out, just what is umm, I mean, the video parts of my master plan is really just a 00:04:28
plan that establishes what recommended improvements to the parts and rec department and to, uh, you know, we would recommend over 00:04:34
the next year to 20 years because there's some immediately continuing to play their needs. Any public input and table synthesize 00:04:41
over the last couple of months. 00:04:48
Umm, this is produced projected by team of licensed, uh professionals and my total licensed architects, I guess maybe a license 00:04:55
and ATM architects community as well. We've taken a combined national standards and local 5 of feedback to generate a list of 00:05:02
recommendations and also to kind of put together a big approach and then you would quantify the improvement year over year. 00:05:09
Which we do provide in the design of public finance to actually do the final impact analysis that would be present in the final 00:05:17
plan. 00:05:22
Umm, so like I said, the process is what do we do first? We just want to see what do we have right now, understand what the 00:05:29
existing conditions are, and then we take those and document them and go through the public outreach process due to the president 00:05:35
during day-to-day. We sent out a public survey, got an overwhelming response from the public idea incorporated into this 00:05:41
recommendation. 00:05:47
3rd step, we're on Step 3 right now. Step 1 is that impact key analysis, which I it's just been done by an iron public finance. 00:05:54
Umm, we are finalizing the recommendation right now and I'll go over just a couple of them here today, but this is going to sign 00:06:01
in. So the first part is, you know, we looked at the existing part take away on parts public open page. So what we mean by that is 00:06:08
you know what is in your time right now. 00:06:15
It currently owns what are some options for public use, but if you're a playground inside the nature of the next to us any 00:06:23
positioning position part so. 00:06:28
We wanted to make sure we're not doubling down on anything, uh, that's already publicly available, even if it's not actually owned 00:06:34
by the, but it's still enabled. 00:06:40
Umm. And then also are there any? 00:06:47
That could be potentially, uh, I guess renewed or, uh. 00:06:52
Get a little bit of minimum light through some sort of, you know, public improvement in the American world. Like where, where are 00:07:00
their opportunities? 00:07:05
There's one item. There are. 00:07:12
The next, the next line would be public outreach. So like I said, we, we did do a public survey, uh, we got over 1000 responses, 00:07:19
1046 responses, which is really just amazing. I mean, usually when we do these type of things, we, we expect some, somewhere in 00:07:25
the realm of 400 responses. So we got over double what we typically see when we send out these surveys. Umm, what you see in that 00:07:31
graph to the right is a. 00:07:36
Uh, we, we've quantified the feedback we've got and tried to put it in, in some sort of a graph. This is one of the questions, uh, 00:07:43
where we asked the public to rank what they found most important in the parks and rec department and what they kinda where they 00:07:49
wanted us to focus efforts from a recommendations perspective. So we can see parks and trails and recreation areas such as sports 00:07:55
courts really rising to the top, uh, with the lower ending facilities like the heritage museum and Community Center and just 00:08:01
general open space for. 00:08:06
Field soccer fields and stuff like that, umm, kind of ring ring down towards the bottom. Uh, and, and so all of this information, 00:08:13
uh, you're just seeing a very brief snip up right. There is a final master plan document which will be proposed and provided, uh, 00:08:20
to the team, uh, once it's complete, umm, and, and has the impact fee analysis included in it. Umm, additionally, we were, uh, you 00:08:28
know, present during the town hall, but we just just occurred on August 8th, uh, to garner a little bit of additional. 00:08:35
Feedback. 00:08:43
We took that public feedback and we waited against NRPA data. So this is a national, uh, data database that basically says, OK, if 00:08:45
you have a city and it's of size X, then you should have a ratio of this number of amenities to that number of population. So one 00:08:52
playground per 3000 residents, for example. And we, so we measured that across all of the amenities with the NRPA data measures 00:09:00
and said this is basically. 00:09:07
That you would need, uh, based on the current population, the projected 2035 and the projected 2045 population, umm, we're, we're 00:09:15
seeing, you know, that towards the end of 2045, we're, we're assuming that Utah city will be pretty well built out and you'll have 00:09:21
a, a significantly higher population than is currently present. So we'll need to be kind of ramping up the amenities, uh, from a 00:09:27
parks and rec perspective. 00:09:33
As you get towards that 20 year mark. 00:09:40
Umm, this, you know, just, we, we wanted to just kind of show an overlay of what, you know, the master plans that we know for sure 00:09:44
are currently, uh, you know, underway or in place. We've got the, uh, waterfront improvement plan here on the northwest side, Utah 00:09:49
City, obviously on the north, excuse me, UVU's kind of master plan there on the northeast central corridor plan, uh, Holdaway 00:09:55
farms and then a couple of other kind of smaller parts and rec improvements. And we wanted to show those kind of back-to-back with 00:10:01
what we're proposing. So. 00:10:06
From a recommendations perspective, we tried to break it down into through in those three phases. Like what do we need 00:10:13
immediately? 00:10:15
What do we need in 10 years and what do we need in, in 20 years? So right now what we're looking at Y, you know, kind of 00:10:18
recommending is focusing efforts on that north side near where Utah city is, umm, looking for opportunities to do those overlay 00:10:26
fields for like diamonds, uh, baseball diamonds with soccer fields. And you could do flag football even on some of those kind of 00:10:33
fields and getting some of those multi use, uh, fields already established in, in a spot, right? So, uh, you can see that. 00:10:40
In 10 years, we're looking, you know, potentially a Recreation Center in that Utah City area. I apologize, I misspoke. Umm, this, 00:10:48
this immediate priority is really down here in the South side, umm, near where the Heritage Center was proposed in the original 00:10:54
central corridor master plan. There's a lot of open space right there and you could start putting those overlay fields in, uh, up 00:11:00
front just to kind of satiate the existing population, umm. 00:11:06
September 20 years, that's when you know, we're, we're, we're kind of anticipating Utah City to be. 00:11:13
Uh, and then, you know, maybe some additional overlay deals and multi use parks like we were proposing in the immediate need, 00:11:48
because as that population grows, you're gonna start to see things trending towards, uh, in needing additional multi use field. 00:11:55
So that, so that's where we are today. Umm, I would say we're probably about 90% of the way through the overall parks and rec 00:12:05
master plan. We have recommendations. We have the data right now to back up the recommendations, but we haven't done the impact 00:12:10
the analysis. 00:12:16
That impact fee analysis is really gonna answer 2 questions for us. You know, how much should be charged by impact fees and when 00:12:22
should these be applied? So that's gonna be done by Zion's public finance. What we're gonna do next is take those numbers, the, 00:12:29
the estimates for how much each one of these amenities cost and break them down per year. Provide that design as public finance, 00:12:36
and then they will provide U.S. financial data to support, uh, impact fees that you would, you know, charge later. 00:12:43
And like Brian said, that should be rounding out, uh, near October. 00:12:53
I came in a couple of minutes late. I got the trip though, and I, I read the prep material. So for the impact fees, how does that 00:13:03
apply, uh, to, I guess from the status of approved development or different phases, when would new development possibly be 00:13:10
required to pay a new impact fee and what's grandfather doing? 00:13:16
Yeah, umm, typically your impact fees are gonna be based on the time that you pull billing from that. And so that's when you're 00:13:25
bill your impact fees. Umm, what would be assessed? And so if parks, if we had a parking tax fee that, that would be something 00:13:30
that that would be assessed at that time. So it, it would be for like new, umm, billing permits. Why don't you go for billing 00:13:36
permit then essentially? 00:13:41
We have a breakdown of our population by age. 00:13:48
Umm, we have, we do have census information. I don't know if you, if you have that, umm, available. Yeah. We, we, we have some of 00:13:52
this instance information. It's, it's a little skewed though. Umm, I guess you know, the, the data we got right from, from a 00:13:59
population perspective, it's, it's a little bit behind, you know, where we have the estimates right now. Mm-hmm. OK, yeah, I mean, 00:14:06
our problem is we also have, umm, a pretty significant student population. So that typically. 00:14:13
Are UMM potentially domiciled at their parents house and so they're even though they're here? 00:14:21
Their addresses are in, in other places. So it doesn't give you, umm, a really accurate age, but it's, it's, it's fairly young. 00:14:26
Umm, the American Community Survey, umm, we're now at that population where I think we get the bi annual, umm, up update. And so 00:14:31
we don't have to wait for that 10 year anymore. So we, we, uh, we, we could pull that and, and, and see, but we do have some 00:14:37
information on it. I just don't know if it's gonna be like super accurate. OK, Would you mind going back to the slide about 00:14:43
priority? 00:14:49
Yeah, So you're gonna hear this from me, of course. Uh, in the 10 year priority, in 10 years, uh, very large chunk of our 00:14:56
population is not gonna be here. All the kids, umm, and a lot of these amenities, umm, are amenities for children. Umm, we have, 00:15:05
I, I agree that we need all sorts of playgrounds and, uh, things like that. 00:15:13
But. 00:15:22
You're going to hear this from me. I think that the State Park needs to be a more immediate priority. Umm. 00:15:24
Activities where kids, uh, are part of the team. Our activities where kids, uh, don't know people. Uh, there are none in the city 00:15:31
right now. There's nothing, uh, unless they own a bike, I guess. Uh, but even then, like there, there aren't things for kids to 00:15:37
do, to get out and to meet other people and to be active unless they're part of the team or unless they have friends that do the 00:15:43
same thing as them, umm. 00:15:49
And I think that it's important that we have activities like that as soon as possible because our our population right now. 00:15:56
The kids are reaching that teenage age and you're starting to see some ruckus from them and you're starting to see they have 00:16:04
nothing to do except ride, go karts around the city and like harass people. Uh, so I think that a skate park, personally, I think 00:16:11
skate parks or even other things that kids can do that are in that team in those teenage years that isn't a playground, that isn't 00:16:19
a pickleball courts, that isn't a soccer field, something where they could go even by themselves and do something. 00:16:26
The Skate Parker, uh, pump track or uh, umm, park 4 park, like uh, rock climbing walls, bouldering kind of stuff. I think that's 00:16:34
an immediate need. Umm, because we wait 10 years to do that. We just missed out on a very large chunk of our population. 00:16:43
I agree with that and echo everything that you said. I have a question. Umm on the land being referred to on the immediate 00:16:54
priority location umm. 00:16:59
Maybe this is a question for staff. Uh, could you let me know where it's indicating immediate priority, what that is referring to? 00:17:06
And do we have any actual plans yet, uh, for developing park space in the land that's being referred to here or do we need to get 00:17:14
this approved before we can get going on those plans? Yeah. So just a few things, Umm. 00:17:23
Obviously these are guidelines, umm, with these, so I mean skate park could be sooner than 10 years. This is just kind of based 00:17:32
off of averages, but every city is gonna be a little bit different so. 00:17:37
Just being able to match the needs of each community and the public, what they wanna see that can really just help prioritize 00:17:44
what, what we do. Umm, as far as what's in the works, umm, particularly in that purple area that's #15 uh, I believe, yes, Sir. 00:17:51
Umm, where is that located? I'm trying to get my, that is right West of Gammon Park, OK. 00:17:58
For the pumpkin pumpkin patch patches currently. 00:18:07
Uh-huh. 00:18:12
Yeah, yeah. So, umm, we did a central corridor plan which included that area, umm, and the plan as of recent from all the feedback 00:18:13
we got from residents was to put 2 full size multi-purpose soccer fields, umm, and all abilities playground. 00:18:22
We would kind of expand the community gardens. 00:18:33
Tennis courts there. 00:18:38
Anyway, a lot of the things we don't have the the financing for all of that. So we get it. So that'll take time to to get all of 00:18:41
that. But that's kind of the underlying plan for that area and difficult. And obviously as plans for that part more finalized then 00:18:49
we have landscape planes and drawings as we public and shared with everyone, Sir, so much input. 00:18:57
From umm, financial decisions on something big like the city did decide to go for a Community Center. That's gonna be a, a pretty 00:19:35
large thing that's gonna require most likely, yeah, but probably umm, a, a needs analysis. I mean there's probably a lot of 00:19:42
studies for something that large and umm, but anyway, it's important to have these items in the plan so at least indicate that 00:19:49
there's alignment, umm, to, to do them, umm, and then. 00:19:56
Your priorities can be shipped and as a master plan too. This is something that you know, it's umm, it's a council or the Planning 00:20:03
Commission. So. 00:20:06
Shows, you know, three or five years you could revisit and, and update it, umm, as, as priorities and just the economy and things 00:20:10
start to our needs as a community, umm, starts to change. So kind of building up that again, uh, the master plan does show what 00:20:17
our priorities are and if something might happen sooner. But if we're saying that a skate park isn't, uh, or some kind of activity 00:20:24
for teenage kids is not a priority and. 00:20:31
That yes, I think that needs to be way more of a priority than it currently is in the 10 year. Yeah. So your, your job is as a 00:20:38
Planning Commission is to provide that recommendation. 00:20:42
So, umm, policy on that. And, uh, so it, you know, if, if there's general kind of alignment from the Planning Commission, then 00:20:47
what he would do is for the official public hearing, he would up, up update the plan and let's bring it back to that. And then if 00:20:53
you recommend approval of that plan, it would go into the City Council with that John as the president. OK, OK. And just another 00:20:59
note on that, The people least likely to fill out some kind of survey or something. 00:21:06
Are those people so, uh, teenagers actually like get left out in a lot of different things, a lot of uh, uh, decisions for city 00:21:13
stuff. So Paul, do maybe like explain, do you guys? Yeah, like what, what kind of maybe effort you, you've made to get different 00:21:20
populations? Yeah. So, uh, in part part of the umm. 00:21:26
Part of the, the public input, we did decline a number of, actually most of the people were between 18 and 30, uh, that got pulled 00:21:34
in that original public outreach. Umm, and you know, I think what we, what we were really finding is that, and, and that's what 00:21:41
you're seeing from, from the recommendations is that most of the people that were told, uh, to be fair, you know, did have kids. 00:21:49
And so that's probably why you're seeing a lot of this data pointing to the idea of having. 00:21:56
Inclusive parts and inclusive like quartz and, uh, like multi use fields and things of that nature. But another thing to, to add 00:22:04
to that is that this is a baseline inventory, right? I, I mean, this is really what it's, it's meant to kick start the whole 00:22:13
process of aligning your population with amenities and, and it is still flexible like, uh, like you mentioned, so. 00:22:23
I am hearing what you're saying and we can make that recommendation or or or change it up to and and it will still go up for 00:22:33
additional approval before it's, you know completely finalized that instead so. 00:22:38
I I hear what you're saying and I'm definitely incorporate that. Thanks. 00:22:43
Great. And you have anything? 00:22:48
No, no. Any other questions? Umm, I just want to say I pulled up the census data currently as of 2020, two, 36% of Vineyard is 00:22:50
under the age of 18. And so it is a young community. Over 70% is still working age, maybe younger than 64. So it's awesome that 00:22:59
we're planning for the future because this is a very forward-looking community and we want to make sure that. 00:23:08
That the people that called in your home wanna stay here, and I think this is doing that. 00:23:18
And so I agree, an immediate need, something for the teenager spot. I think that's what we should do with certain immediate need. 00:23:22
But I 100% agree with the 10 year priority in the 20 year priority, you know, umm, I think this is very smart and it's a really 00:23:28
good start. Yeah. 00:23:34
Cool, thank you. And maybe worse, if there's time before you do like the official public hearing, maybe if you wanted to try and 00:23:41
do some umm targeted public, umm outreach to to to you. So maybe don't utilize like the youth council, but. 00:23:48
I don't know if there's some interest that would that would help inform your decision. 00:23:56
Decision umm, but if you potentially make a look at trying to have a more targeted audience or even do you like us take some 00:24:00
focus. Yeah yeah. I I think the community shows up at umm, the on Saturdays at Grove Park, the soccer games or football games, 00:24:09
whatever it is. If you wanna figure out what the kids vineyards want that's when they're all gathered. 00:24:17
Come on, sit together. And so putting the tent out there. 00:24:27
Offer cotton candy or something. I don't know other options, other things could be like putting up some kind of signs in the city 00:24:32
with AQR code, like could this be a future this? Because I feel like stuff like that gets attention to do like is this happening? 00:24:38
Is that gonna happen? Whether that's good attention or bad attention attention. And if it's QR code, like would you like to see 00:24:43
this here? Is this an immediate need? Do you feel like your kids would benefit from this stuff like that if people are seeing a 00:24:49
sign in a place. 00:24:55
See, like I think that that can get attention. Like that was actually part of the initial public hearing, uh, I'm sorry, the 00:25:02
initial public outreach. And so we did set up through our codes and, and they actually flyer all the city with that QR code and 00:25:07
that's how we got all those responses and that showed up. OK. Yeah, it was, it was awesome. I mean, I think that there was a lot 00:25:13
of places too that were on there that were, it's this important to you EC etcetera. Is that something we'd want to entertain doing 00:25:19
again? 00:25:24
Yeah, just a, a in a very pointed way then. And what you're what you mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, OK. 00:25:30
And just to specify that, so are you referring specifically to teenagers? Uh, I mean, I would like to see more data from 00:25:40
teenagers, OK, but, uh, getting them to fill out a survey. I, I'm not sure how you do that, you know? 00:25:49
Setting some something up quite close and then, you know, I just see parents walk by with the kids and say we love your your, your 00:25:57
input. I would probably get some or even like AQR code that's set up near a bus stop. 00:26:03
Like when kids are going to school and just see that, like with a question on it, that's like, oh, I don't know about that. 00:26:09
Cool. Uh, I think it's great. I think, uh, having a master plan is important, uh, for the city, especially with all the open space 00:26:18
that we potentially have and do have. So, and if we're gonna be doing this for the next few months, uh, I'd also include these 00:26:25
links where every time you register for programs, because the people who are registered for programs are also typically. 00:26:32
So it's invested in the community. So use the same e-mail that they provided to last as many opportunities for surveys there too. 00:26:40
Cool. So I think we're gonna hold the public hearing off until the financial meeting when we have a better idea. But, uh, if there 00:26:49
are people that would like to make comments of maybe a couple of questions you would like me to ask, I can write them down. Uh, we 00:26:54
try not to do it back and forth with staff and stuff. So if you have questions, I'll write them down and then I'll ask your 00:26:59
questions. 00:27:04
Uh, you have to come up to the uh, stand and state your name. 00:27:10
Thank you. Yeah, thank you. Real quick, I'm sure this is gonna be a question, uh, where did we get the data as far as the 00:27:14
population continues to do? 00:27:19
Per vineyard as a total 2022 cents. The 20/2/2022 census or census has projections. Yeah, we're we're pulling our our yeah. So we 00:27:23
we use whatever is like the, the published data. So the ACS expenses. The ACS is like the the more regular update. The census is 00:27:31
like the full blown all the data. And then we are through the economic development plan part of that it's helping us to refine 00:27:38
because we're we're an outlier type community. We're not like a standard umm, you know like umm. 00:27:46
We can, umm, use some predictive numbers to generate what that population would be. So right now we have about 5500 doors in the 00:28:23
city. And if you look at our average population or household size, like 3.1 something or something like that. So then we can time, 00:28:31
you know, 3500 or 5500 times that three points, whatever number to get our current, uh, estimated population. The same thing when 00:28:38
it comes to future developments, the Utah city with the Forge or whatever. 00:28:46
May come, umm, we can get those numbers from those development agreements from the code or whatever it may be and have an estimate 00:28:53
of, you know, this development estimated have 500 units. So then we can say, well, they're 500 units at 3.14 people per unit. The 00:28:59
initial 1500 people or whatever. Maybe. OK, OK, cool. And yeah, the, the economic development strategic plan, which will, we 00:29:05
should have, uh, before the, the Planning Commission, hopefully before the end of the year. Umm, have that in, in great detail. Do 00:29:11
you know, umm. 00:29:17
Population of futures, venture city projects and stuff like that. I would ask you to talk to staff after, uh, if you have 00:29:53
questions about the recreational Parks and Recreation master plan, uh. 00:29:58
Please. 00:30:05
Daria Evans, Vineyard resident, umm I just wanna say I like the idea of the skate park. Been there, done that. We had half pipe in 00:30:08
our backyard, grind rails out front. Took our son to South Jordan, umm S Saint George Taylorsville. So and and his friends and I 00:30:16
would sit in the car while he would skateboard. 00:30:24
And it was OK and but he was more junior high school and he outgrew it. He decided I was done with it, but I think it would be a 00:30:32
good idea. 00:30:36
And I'm thinking, well, if they're thinking about moving that Community Center from Damon Park to the north, maybe that would be a 00:30:41
good place to put a skate park and obstacle courses and climbing walls. And that's just an idea I had, so thank you. 00:30:51
I'm Darlene Price and I live in the Villas. I raised four boys and with those four boys skateboarding and dirt bike riding for 00:31:05
where they lived. So I would like to see this. I'm I'm glad you're thinking about the teenagers because they need something to do 00:31:11
besides the park and the swim thing. 00:31:17
UMM I would like to see a dirt bike park UMM where they can ride their bikes as well as skateboards. I am concerned if it will be 00:31:24
monitored. 00:31:30
Because sometimes they find creative things to do, right? The second thing is, umm, will they have to sign a permission slip to 00:31:37
use it? That leaves us not on the target for people that are hurt. 00:31:45
I don't know that that that's in the park. We were it was just freeway and it was worked just fine. But people fell off dirt bikes 00:31:54
and fell off skateboards. OK, just a thought. Thank you. 00:32:01
Karen Cornelius, Bill of Residence UMM I have a question regarding the impact fees. How much of a project like this would be 00:32:19
covered by impact fees? 00:32:24
And how much comes back to our general budget? 00:32:31
Which we all know is, as described by our city manager, bare bones. 00:32:34
So that's a question I have regarding that. 00:32:41
I also think that Daria had a really good idea to put those amenities for the older kids by Gammon Park, because I think if we 00:32:45
look at the size of the dwellings that will be in Utah City, I don't think we're going to have teenagers over there. I don't think 00:32:54
we're going to have many families. I think they're very small, ranging from 400 square feet to 11:00 somewhere in there. 00:33:02
But I think the need will be on this side of 800 and not on the other side for those kinds of activities. 00:33:11
Umm, one more thing. 00:33:19
I I have a question regarding this survey that was done. 00:33:25
And I recognize that we have contractors to have this index study done, which is expensive. They have so many master plans in the 00:33:29
city with really no way to pay a form at this time. And so a survey is one more piece of that puzzle that we pay for when Vineyard 00:33:36
City has its very own software. 00:33:44
So why are we not using what we have rather than paying someone else? So those are my questions. Thank you. Thank you. 00:33:53
Also residents, umm, just really briefly, uh, I love this plan. I love the compliments about teenagers and like giving place for 00:34:07
like independent love that idea. Umm, uh, I just, uh, promised a bunch of dads that I would say something. So like there's seven 00:34:13
of us on our streets that we're have a disc golfers. 00:34:19
Very excited to see that including the plan in terms of very economical for the city, umm, sort of high throughput, lots of cities 00:34:26
that can use it and almost no maintenance test. So really exciting to see that. I think it's just a healthy activity. And so those 00:34:31
kinds of things gave part itself that don't require a lot of maintenance that lots of people can use. Glad that we focus on those 00:34:36
things. So just nice work. 00:34:41
Yeah. Any other comments? 00:34:49
Idea after we'd like nailed down these are the things we would like to do. We'll see kind of how much those things will cost. Uh, 00:35:24
but that's, that's in the next step when they come back in October, they're saying, uh, with, with that kind of data. Umm and then 00:35:29
as far as the survey software is, is there a software? I know that, uh, do you guys want to touch on that as far as the software 00:35:35
that we use is? 00:35:41
We, we we just need to keep our code in SurveyMonkey. I mean, there wasn't anything, uh, you know, I'm, I'm not aware of any 00:35:53
additional software. OK, Yeah, I, I can, I don't really have access to our wallet account. And so they have to use their own and 00:35:59
we contracted through them, OK. Then the survey was sent to them, not through us, OK. 00:36:06
Yeah. So when you generally, when you hire a company to do, uh, uh, master plans like this, it can be, it can be difficult to 00:36:14
have. It's, it's like if you were to hire a contractor and have them use your tool, like you can do that. But I, I can see how 00:36:19
that could make some issues, especially when a company is not familiar with the software that you use. But, uh, if we could 00:36:25
utilize, uh, our software more and maybe think about that for future plan is utilizing our software more and getting more money 00:36:31
out of. 00:36:37
Definitely we've already paid margins. That'd be great. Umm, and then, uh, Utah city age, umm, skate park specifically. I got a 00:36:43
touch on this because I'm a skater. Uh, if you've ever been to Venice Beach in California, umm, there are a lot of adults that 00:36:51
skate, uh, and, and in Utah cities can be a very young population, uh, with the Ubu there and uh, stuff like that. And not only. 00:36:59
Speaking specifically about uh, in uh, at Venice Beach in California. 00:37:08
You have people that are skating and you have just tons of people watching and, uh, if you've ever gone to a skate park, it's, 00:37:13
it's super interesting to watch people. It's interesting to watch people press. It's interesting to see how good people are, 00:37:19
especially kids. Umm, and having something like that, uh, in a, in a place like Utah City where they're gonna be people visiting, 00:37:25
where they're gonna be people walking and using restaurants and a young population, uh, that could still be a benefit for, uh, a 00:37:31
place like that. 00:37:36
And then also, uh, talking about the safety. Sorry, darling moment to talk about that. Umm, I, I just wanted to add really quick 00:37:43
on that where you're talking about kind of the age age too. Umm, and, and, and Springville, they have umm, kind of near their kind 00:37:50
of the downtown. It's off a little bit like the downtown grade, but it's in like the older part of the, of the city. Umm, they 00:37:58
have a skate park and it is probably half an acre in size and I've counted over 75 kids. And then this isn't a very. 00:38:05
Umm, net neighborhood, there are younger neighborhoods in, in uh, Springville, but umm, so they, they come from all, all over the 00:38:13
place and it's about half an acre, you know, 75 kids and it's a, it's a little wild, but umm, it, it definitely serves a big 00:38:20
range. And so there's everywhere from your, you know, 45 year old guy, you know, skating with his little buddies. And then there's 00:38:28
like just a little kick on scooters. So, yeah, it does serve a pretty big population. Yeah. But uh, I, I, I do. 00:38:35
Agree that having something down here where a lot of the younger families are is a good idea. There needs to be something down 00:38:43
here definitely. And we have it just, uh, just some people are aware in the central corridor plan. It's, it's planned right here. 00:38:49
So we, we do have kind of like that that empty lot, umm, was, was, is shown as a placeholder for a, uh, potential skate park. And 00:38:55
the idea was to do a umm, a pump track, umm, for, for bikes around it. And the, the police liked it because they, they liked 00:39:01
having it so that it was. 00:39:07
Proximity to, to the, the, the police presence here and so there would be visibility and it would be closer to the road. So it 00:39:13
wasn't gonna be set like set back. Umm, but we also heard the interest in having one up up north too by umm, you know, near, near 00:39:20
the waterfront. So but I know this is the one that was like de designated under the, the master plan on the number. Cool yeah and 00:39:27
then I don't know how cities work with stuff like this, but uh. 00:39:33
I don't think that, uh, they'd be able to do any kind of permission quickly. You have to find something. I don't think any city is 00:39:40
capable. 00:39:43
Of they're usually financed that and some stuff, but, uh, it's kind of the same as the park space. Like the kids can climb up on 00:39:46
the park space and hurt themselves and it's just. 00:39:52
It's just a hazard that you got to deal with, with all amenities that you put into the city. I think, uh, but legally, maybe talk 00:39:58
with somebody on staff. I don't, I don't know the, all the legal stuff or that kind of stuff. E everything are our insurance is 00:40:05
gonna like whatever the requirement is, all of that. So I, I know there's probably things they wouldn't want us to have. Yeah 00:40:13
yeah. So, yeah. So OK. Uh, any other questions, any other comments from cool. Uh, we're gonna move on to. 00:40:20
I think you might need to make a motion to continue with the public hearing after a later date and then we will just re notice 00:40:28
this because we don't have that date yet. OK, All right, Is that right? Would one of you guys like to make a motion? 00:40:34
I'm happy to do that. OK, I'll umm move to for the public hearing to a later date once we're ready. Alright, so I have a second 00:40:41
second all in favor. Aye, aye, moving on to 5.6 pub experience for the zoning text amendment for Event Center and the select 00:40:48
office industrial zone. Great. Umm cash is going to pull up to just an exhibit to umm, just get right here. So what what this umm, 00:40:55
this is an A an applicant and initiated selling text amendment. So that's where. 00:41:03
Umm, yeah, I, I, it, it's not the city of, of applying for the change. So we do have, umm, office 1600 N of the business, uh, 00:41:11
Enigma 3 for a studio that provides, umm, you know, services for, for, for production. Umm, so there's someone that wants to do 00:41:17
like YouTube ads, they wanna place the film or they wanna film a commercial or a series. They're actually a pretty, pretty 00:41:23
popular. 00:41:30
Umm, and again, and so especially during the pandemic, it was, uh, a business that that saw a lot of, a lot of growth. It's kind 00:41:37
of a new business on our side. 00:41:40
Umm, they have umm, the ability to do umm, kind of E events and to provide an offering, umm, umm, that that would kind of like 00:41:45
help the state that I when it's not in use for production type services. So with this amendment does is it adds Event Center under 00:41:53
the Soi district as a conditional use. Umm, and so the conditional use would give the power, uh, would, would give the some power 00:42:00
to the Planning Commission to, uh, require. 00:42:07
Umm, to help mitigate any potential impact. And so in this case where you're, uh, you could have events, umm, in, in the area that 00:42:16
could happen, umm, large truck traffic and, and deli deliveries that potentially be some, some conflicts with umm, you know, uh, 00:42:23
attendees to the event crossing where, where truck traffic is going. So that we felt it was appropriate through the conditional 00:42:30
use process, umm, because you'd be able to say, OK, umm, parking needs to have lighting. 00:42:38
Umm, you need to have someone out there, umm, providing traffic control and helping umm, you know, if there is a, a truck traffic 00:42:45
lane, uh, where people can come across, you can also, umm, restrict some, some of the hours. And so actually, if the event, like 00:42:53
if you don't wanna have the event during kind of the peak hour, umm, you know, Monday through Friday and it, it would allow you 00:43:00
umm, during that, that process to, to, to analyze kind of appropriate science. Umm, so we. 00:43:08
Initially is it, it gave you umm, as a Planning Commission enough tool that you could, you, you could kinda help this, this 00:43:15
business add an, another offering, but still be able to umm, uh, to mitigate potential impact. So to, to the public or to, to the 00:43:22
neighboring properties. We felt like this overall is a really good site. They've done more one off E events here umm, in the past 00:43:30
and umm, it seems like things have, have, have run really well and this is a really great offering for our business community to. 00:43:37
You know, just a little bit, but it's basically umm right now. There's the the ending is not permitted. Umm, the C is permitted. 00:44:15
Umm, we are doing a zoning ordinance overhaul. And so at that time, in a few months, we would lo what we're looking at the whole 00:44:21
chart. We may propose adding Event Center and some of these other places like your RMU actually seems like a good district, your 00:44:27
retail district, umm would would be good places for event centers, but we didn't want to make it more global. We just kind of 00:44:33
focusing on what the. 00:44:39
His UMM proposal was for the district, so. 00:44:46
OK. 00:44:49
And it's the problem. 00:44:50
And this would be a recommendation, uh, to the City Council, to the council of the final call on the orders. All right, umm. So 00:44:53
with this, uh. 00:44:58
I'm going to check out this real quick. Umm. 00:45:04
If we approve, uh, or if we recommend approval for this, umm, will we come up at a future date with the, uh, rules that they have 00:45:08
to follow as far as other conditional years? Yeah, yeah. So what would happen if this goes to City Council, City Council thumbs up 00:45:15
or thumbs down? Thumbs up. Then the applicant would then apply for a conditional use permit and then, uh, they come back from you 00:45:22
and then you would be the, umm, authorizing body for the decision. You'd be able to attach conditions to, to the mitigation. 00:45:30
Would have to be obviously there has to be a Nexus between the proposal and potential impacts. As staff, we would help you, umm, 00:45:37
talk through those like we mentioned, there's lighting, traffic stuff on the app, potential hours, operations amounted to safety 00:45:43
so. 00:45:48
Do you guys have any questions? I, I do, and I don't know if the, uh, if someone here represent the app. So we do have an, an umm, 00:45:54
representative with the applicant. Umm, so umm, you're, you're welcome to come up to you if you have any clarifying, uh, 00:46:00
information. I, I just have a question for staff cash. Go back to your previous screen where you see all the different agenda 00:46:06
items. Can you click on ordinance 2410? Umm, the ones that is uploaded is incomplete. And so because it says now, therefore, let 00:46:12
this be ordained and then there's. 00:46:18
Next, it it's hard for me to recommend approval when there's no therefore it's been placed out of order. This should be accurate. 00:46:24
That shows this table that's all the ordinances so we'll need it would need to have language that Therefore the following table 00:46:32
will be incorporated into the municipal code of the city. Venice yeah yeah. That that, that that's a good point. So when we go to 00:46:39
uh, the City Council, we, we haven't, we had an issue with our with our meeting so. 00:46:47
Totally fine, we'll do it through that. Umm, so we had to it. It was actually just to make a story, the sound of him. We're trying 00:46:54
to use the online portal umm, but we, we now have it basically fixed and we'll we'll be able to have like the official line that 00:47:00
goes to the umm, to the City Council. It would be the same proposal, but it would be like the only thing being proposed within 00:47:06
Section 1 there. 00:47:12
'S a table into the distribute table. That's it. 00:47:19
Any other questions? 00:47:25
So is this Event Center already up and running though? 00:47:27
So right now it's a, it's on a LE legally. So it's, it's a case by case basis. Umm, so it's not, it wouldn't be allowed. It's 00:47:31
something like the City Council for special events permit. OK, good. My name is Katie Shores. I'm the business owner. And no, 00:47:39
we're, we have had to cancel probably 10 events the past three months while we wait for this process. So no. 00:47:47
Sorry, so where I'll, I'll ask real quick, Alright and I'll open it up for questions. 00:47:57
Just a minute, but I, I heard your questions. I'll ask it. Uh, uh, what kind of events do you guys normally do at this time? 00:48:01
Uh, a really good example would be, uh, didn't wanted to host an ex, uh, private employee party. So, you know, bringing in a stage 00:48:11
and hosting a dinner and giving out award. OK. So like, uh, business parties or you thinking like concerts of any sort or well, we 00:48:18
don't really wanna go that big, OK? We don't want that kind of impact on our space. This is a, a film studio with about 10,000 00:48:25
square feet that we're gonna retrofit prevent to help make cash when it's not being used. So ideally more. 00:48:32
We've been we've been approached about country line dancing. 00:48:39
All right, uh, cool. Any other questions? Umm, I have more questions for staff. Umm, I'm done for the applicant. Alright, you can 00:48:44
sit down. Thanks. 00:48:49
Umm, yeah, I'm just still going through the ordinance and even going through the table and everything. Please direct me if I'm 00:48:56
missing it. I don't see a definition of Event Center other than saying in this table it says what zoning district and Event Center 00:49:02
is permitted in. And I understand we'll do conditional use permits, but totally fine. But do we need some kind of definition of 00:49:08
Event Center? Umm, a lot of our uses have that definitions and so we have a definition section. Umm, not, not all of them do we do 00:49:14
have. 00:49:20
Some umm, umm, uses that are kind of like self-explanatory. We felt like Event Center is one that we could, if you wanna have a 00:49:26
very clear definition of what Event Center is that that is one that we could add umm, like a very specific definition. And so 00:49:32
that, that would be up to the Planning Commission. And so you, if you, if you do wanna a definition, that's, that's something that 00:49:38
if you felt comfortable in getting this through the process and then coming back and then we could prep a definition, umm, next 00:49:44
time or. 00:49:50
You could, you know, it would put more time on the, on the, on the applicant, or you could come up with with a definition. Right 00:49:56
now what we essentially what we do is we take the proposal from the applicant and, umm, request and then, umm, that, that's what's 00:50:03
looking process, right? Uh, my only reason for that is if it's kind of a big Event Center, umm. 00:50:10
Uh, I'd love that we still have the conditional use permit so you can call out BS if it ever tried to apply, but I want to be able 00:50:18
to protect us as much as possible. Umm, and so I don't wanna slow down the applicant. I want this to move forward to the council 00:50:25
so we can get this processed quickly as to not interrupt business. But I would like the version that is brought to the council to 00:50:33
include the definition of Event Center somewhere in here. Umm, that staff, I trust you to come up. 00:50:40
With the definition of it just a very brief. An Event Center is a commercial space used for public events. Umm, that can be 00:50:48
addressed during conditional use from, you know, just something very big. So someone doesn't say, Oh yeah, my fast food hamburger 00:50:55
place is an Event Center because my food is an event. Yeah, I, I don't wanna buy that, you know, yeah, It, it's a pretty standard. 00:51:03
So the planner's guide, I'm sure that's probably, that's planner's definition of the red book, umm, that, that. 00:51:10
I'm sure probably has three or four. Umm, is that something you would want tonight or is that something you're comfortable pushing 00:51:18
to the City Council to to to define? Because we, we we can come up with some suggestions, for example, or we can you know, we we 00:51:24
could do we could do it in a number of ways. We could bring a definition back to you that you that you recommend free world now 00:51:29
goes to accountable for housing. Yeah, obviously when I hear from the rest of the Commission, but I am perfectly comfortable if I, 00:51:35
if we. 00:51:41
Officially recommended approval to the City Council on the condition that you add. 00:51:47
A definition for the comfortable fitter. I'm comfortable with that. I want to slow down the opportunity, yeah. 00:51:51
But maybe I'm the only one that feels that way. I mean. 00:51:57
You have anything good? 00:52:02
We decide exactly what would be allowed to be distributionally. So that being said, uh, is there any public comments? Do I have a 00:52:35
motion to open up a public hearing? 00:52:40
Motion to open a public hearing a second. 00:52:46
All in favor all right, all right, uh, if you have any comments on this come up state your name. I'll write down your questions if 00:52:49
you have questions and. 00:52:53
All right, seeing as there are none, do I have a motion to close the public hearing? 00:52:59
Ocean close public second. 00:53:04
All in favor, aye. All right, All right. That being said, do I have a motion for? 00:53:08
Uh. 00:53:17
There's a motion on this. We do have a recommendation of your sample motion. Yeah. OK, so since I was the one that complicated it, 00:53:18
I'll go ahead and make the motion. Umm, So yeah, I'll move to recommend approval of ordinance, uh, 20/24/10, allowing the events 00:53:25
and the Foy district through the provisions of a conditional use permit. Uh, while also, umm, fix up this language, uh, while also 00:53:32
including in the ordinance a definition of Event Center for the City Council to consider. 00:53:40
Thank you. All in favor. Is this, uh, do we need a roll call for this? 00:53:48
Oh, umm, this this is an ordinance. So I, I, yeah, I think, umm, I think I'm Pennsylvania. So Pam always requires for ordinances. 00:53:55
OK, All right. Uh, Graydon. 00:53:59
Yeah, anything. Yes, yes, yes. 00:54:05
Yes, OK, right. That's a concern. Uh, motion passes. OK, we're gonna move on to 5.7 Utah City Block 4, Bella's Market site plan. 00:54:09
Hi, my name is Anthony and I hope you presented on the Bellas market. 00:54:35
So just to give you a location context, the umm. 00:54:40
The proposed bill of market is going to be located in block 4 on the South uh, western corner, you know, marked here as uh, block 00:54:46
4D and that is going to be. 00:54:52
Right. Uh, between, you know, umm, Main Street, uh, we're going to have Main Street, Main Street and the Fourth Ave. on the West 00:55:01
boundary of it. 00:55:06
So the grocery store has been signed in as I did mentioned earlier, the southwestern corner of Block 4 and this is going to be in 00:55:18
the it's actually located in the downtown mixed-use district, which allows for this kind of use within the downtown area. 00:55:27
Umm is going to have three par umm, surface parking with over 200 stalls. Umm, and this is actually going to be saved into two, 00:55:37
uh, main phases. It's going to have the grocery store in itself in the same block as Phase 1 and umm, a residential uh, section, 00:55:44
which is going to be phase two, which wraps around the West and the northern side of it. And the grocery store is, umm, currently 00:55:52
about 45,000 square feet. 00:55:59
So this is the site plan indicating the grocery store right here with the surface parking. 00:56:10
And that is the current, uh, plan schedule that we have. It is not a very complete landscaping plan. Uh, we recommended that they, 00:56:23
uh, provide us with this plan schedule, the names of the plans that are going to go in the, uh, block, umm. 00:56:32
The developers here are developing a more complete plan schedule for the entire development that will show a lot more detail. So 00:56:43
we have stated in a a conditions to have. 00:56:49
A more complete landscape plan that shows a lot more detail to the specific sites. Umm as one of the conditions. 00:56:56
Here are the elevations that we have for the grocery store. That is going to be the front elevation which is going to be facing 00:57:10
the east. 00:57:13
That's the. 00:57:18
And this is the West side which is going to be wrapped by you see all of that as con, you know, block concrete because it's going 00:57:22
to be wrapped by the future phase of the residential rapid I did mention. So this grayed out outline here is going to be the 00:57:28
residential that goes on that side. 00:57:35
And out here you see the residential better, but that's going to be the north side of the grocery store where this area is all 00:57:43
going to be the residential. 00:57:47
Just to show you some renderings. 00:57:55
So that's, umm, the front of the grocery store with the surface parking. 00:57:58
In the retail umm sale retail store area on the corner with a cafe. 00:58:05
We also have the applicant here, so if there are any questions on umm, what you'd like to see, or if there's anything missing, 00:58:15
you'll be here to answer questions as well. 00:58:19
So. 00:58:36
Staff recommendation umm, we recommend that you, I mean recommend that you umm, approve the site plan as presented with these 00:58:37
conditions that the applicant provides us with an updated and detailed landscaping plan that meets the minimum requirements and 00:58:45
percentage of the landscaping for the site. 00:58:53
It currently does meet the percentage as required for that site anyway, but we need a lot more detail on that size of the plants 00:59:02
and all those, umm, the stuff to give a lot more information on what's gonna go in. We will require, uh, more detail. 00:59:10
For the met metric plan, umm, we will need them to meet all the building design requirements and also all areas where pedestrian 00:59:19
walk, uh, walkways across the driveway. Umm, shall be a constructor with some different material to allow that differentiation of, 00:59:26
you know, where a pedestrians are walking so that it would just make them more visible when you're walking across from the parking 00:59:33
lot to the store and back. 00:59:40
Umm. 00:59:50
We also do have this as a condition where the applicant shall comply with all requirements provided by the Fire Marshall regarding 00:59:52
fire access and maximum and safety. Maximize the safety and convenience of suggestion flow throughout the site. 01:00:00
The applicant shall also pay any outstanding fees and make all red line corrections that we have recommended them to have done on 01:00:09
the site. 01:00:15
There will be subject to all federal, federal, state and local laws. 01:00:22
And one last condition guide I, uh, follow, including here, would be that they umm. 01:00:28
All all submitting plans that include a proposed drive through shall be sub subject to the approval of the zoning text amendment. 01:00:35
So at the beginning of this application they did have plans to include umm the pharmacy a drive through pharmacy on the West side 01:00:41
of I can show you on the. 01:00:47
On the site plan on the West side. 01:00:55
No, on the South side of the UMM. 01:01:00
Let me just go there. 01:01:05
Good, so this was the original plan here. 01:01:12
Was to have a drive through on the South side where they're gonna have the pharmacy to make it easier for, umm, the residents to 01:01:15
pick up their medication, you know, and just go through here. 01:01:21
And uh, just to mention as well, this is not gonna be eventually, this is gonna be a one way street where they have to go around 01:01:27
the square about and then come down to 4th St. to the Avery St. to be able to have access to it. So it's not gonna interfere with 01:01:34
the traffic flow in this area as people may go in from the 4th St. area. So Avery St. is gonna be a one way St. eventually. 01:01:42
OK, OK. 01:01:52
I'll just go. 01:01:55
I'm Bronson, I'm an applicant at Flagboro. But so I think what I am thinking is talking about is Main Street median will 01:01:57
eventually come through that intersection. So people coming from the South wouldn't be able to turn left on the Avery. 01:02:04
To go to the pharmacy, this is like closer to build out. So like you know 1520 years down the road that median on Main Street will 01:02:12
will go through that intersection so. 01:02:17
So this Wednesday medium will come through this intersection so you won't be able to make. 01:02:23
This left hand turn but it is a two way St. so you'll have to get it off to come up around the square, about and down. 01:02:29
Debit number to reiterate that is upon build out in order to control traffic better because by then we'll have 10s of thousands 01:02:39
more people using that street. There's no immediate plans for that right Yep. So as it's built right now that the median is open 01:02:47
in that intersection. So it'll get closed when you know when we're doing our traffic now intersection right here and so this 01:02:54
landscape meeting and we'll just continue so. 01:03:01
Yeah. So right now you can make the left hand turn and it will stay that way until you can't make the turn anymore because. 01:03:09
There's many cars, yeah. The idea is we don't want traffic backing up on industry or Main Street, further in the Vineyard, OK. 01:03:18
So access to the grocery store from the South side is going to be on the northwest, northeast side there or like right in the 01:03:28
middle. Where where is access gonna be to the grocery store? Yeah. So there's there's an entrance there off of Main Street. OK, 01:03:35
Right. Yep, Yep, right there. And then down off of Avery St. So there's two points of access pulled back from that intersection 01:03:43
far enough that we don't get into conflict. OK. And then Avery, which street is it? That is. 01:03:50
Go over the. 01:03:57
Umm, open your connection, you're connected. It's, uh, Bennett St. Ben St. Yep. OK, so people could access it from the South 01:04:02
coming from Main Street and then turning left there coming from Main Street, going all the way around onto Ben St. and then onto. 01:04:09
4th St. or coming from the South going over the overpass on the Vineyard connector on Sand St. Yeah, OK. So. 01:04:18
Obviously, David, we'll get back to it when I open it up. 01:04:31
With the drive through, it's not part of this proposal. 01:04:39
Yeah, I agree. It needs to be. It needs to be figured out, Yeah. So staff recommended that to make this happen because the current 01:04:46
code does not allow drive-throughs in this area at all. So to make this happen, we would need to. 01:04:54
Have a zoning text amendment and an application would be yeah. 01:05:04
Which would be in the site plan amendment after that has been approved. So if that goes through, then they will come back to make 01:05:09
this happen. And at that point we will be talking about traffic access and all that to the drive through. So currently it's a part 01:05:15
of this application. I just have to mention that to give you heads up. 01:05:22
Yeah, let's let's wait until the public hearing and then we'll discuss. 01:05:30
OK. 01:05:38
So given these conditions and staff recommend an approval. 01:05:46
Here's a sample motion. 01:05:51
OK, if you agree. 01:05:54
All right, Do you guys have any questions? Yeah, question for Bronson. I committed to asking 3 questions about Bella's. Umm, 2 are 01:05:58
kind of specific and the third gives you an out. 01:06:06
As far as, you know, construction, uh, groundbreaking start of construction, umm, months and year, uh, completion month and year, 01:06:17
month and year and level third question level of confidence on those, uh, updates to previous states, yeah. 01:06:26
Yeah, so, uh, groundbreaking should be this year, uh, month, I would probably say we're looking at umm. 01:06:36
October, November and then we've already got a contractor on board. We're working through all the pricing, umm, processes and, and 01:06:45
their schedule and it's looking like a nine month build from there. So we anticipate uh, having CFO on the grocery store September 01:06:51
of 2026. 01:06:58
Sorry, 2025. 01:07:07
Thank you. 01:07:10
It gives us a little bit more than nine months, but. 01:07:13
Yeah, level of confidence, level of confidence. 01:07:17
Uh, I would say probably an 8, just basically only because of where we're at in design right now. Umm, the way it'll probably come 01:07:23
through the city is we'll move to, uh, footing and foundation plan, which will get submitted to the building department, umm. 01:07:32
That will allow us to get started on all of the well, let me back up. We'll probably go in with the land disturbance permit. It 01:07:43
will let us get the mass grading done, get utilities into the site, and then we'll follow it up with us putting a foundation plan 01:07:50
and then the full building permit. So staggering it like that for construction helps us to get started quicker, but it gives our 01:07:56
architects a little bit more time. 01:08:02
To to finish their construction drawing. 01:08:09
And that is also one of the reasons why the residential graph is not coming now is just because it, it needs more time for design. 01:08:12
It's it's taking a little longer than we thought. So we're phasing this building. 01:08:17
Uh, to the general public, it will look like it's all one building, but there will be like firewalls that separate the two 01:08:25
buildings so that they can be phased and have separate occupancy timing. 01:08:30
Got it. Thank you. Everything umm, in the staff report, umm, it talks about the Paseo umm, it will be lushly landscaped to serve 01:08:38
to invite the projects north of 4D to walk to the grocery store. Is the Paseo landscape plan part of the conditions that you're 01:08:46
proposing? We include the landscape plan of this development. 01:08:53
LLB, OK. If you wanna flip to the landscape plan, I can kind of think where that's at. 01:09:02
So it's just the, this Paseo is is to the north. And so you can see on this plan too, there's a big large block of future 01:09:09
development. So yeah, the Paseo goes between those two buildings. Well, the future building. So we'll have that Paseo constructed 01:09:16
partially with the grocery store and the residential. So the future residential which will also bring in true site plan when when 01:09:24
it's ready, they'll have door yards or like. 01:09:31
They will open up under the paseo so they'll be able to come out of their unit and then go into this public paseo and residents 01:09:39
and the general public can walk across that the sale. So we'll build north as far as we can. 01:09:47
So that we can still construct that future building to the north. 01:09:57
And that Paseo will run from 4th Ave. over to Main Street, so that connectivity will be intact from when we open the. 01:10:00
OK, Well, not open the grocery store because we're still gonna be under construction on the residential building. 01:10:09
Alright, so and you're asking again to pass umm, the applicant shall provide an updated and detailed landscaping plan to meet the 01:10:16
minimum representative landscaping for the site. That's for the entirety of Block 4D. 01:10:22
Uh, yes, that would be it. Would it would be so for the Bella's department. OK, I think, but I, I, you, you get where I'm going. 01:10:31
Yeah, yeah. Just to clarify, today we actually have a meeting where we did a final plat. We've kind of had some technical, uh, 01:10:44
things go wrong with this stuff, but we've got to figure it out today. Umm, and, and this block, block 4 is broken up into five 01:10:51
blocks now. So the, the future development, that's lots 1 and 2, the grocery store parking lot is lot 3, the grocery store itself 01:10:59
is lot 4, and then the, the future residential raft is lot 5. So this site plan is only for lot. 01:11:06
3:00 and 4:00. 01:11:14
Got it. So the parking at the grocery store is incorrect, right. That's why I wanna. Yeah. And it's mainly because as the 01:11:16
connection is written it I didn't want to tie a detailed landscape plan for the future development if that's not fully worked out 01:11:23
yet. No. OK. If it makes more sense to do that to say or without residential app, then that's part of that lot 5. That's when 01:11:30
we'll do that review and bring it back to the appointment Commission. First reviewing. 01:11:37
So hang on a second. 01:11:46
So this site plan does it's not the drive through, but it would be the truck delivery. So so trucks also would drive down Main 01:11:49
Street, go around and then they they'd be back again from the right lane across the left. Is there like set time? And I, I asked 01:11:56
the specifically because going to Maverick every day since I've lived here and I'm a very early morning riser. It essentially 01:12:03
blocks the whole entrance like. 01:12:11
Times you have to go around to the other side off the center St. you can't even get in because of how it's been designed for how 01:12:18
they do their delivery and just how tight everything is. So how is that gonna work? Yeah, that's a really good question. So you 01:12:25
have the trucks come early in the morning. Umm, I don't know, like what those hours are, but they typically come in the morning 01:12:31
and they're unloading and they can. There's two loading docks. 01:12:38
So you know, if, if, if one truck's in there, we still have room for another to go in. It also makes it so that if no trucks are 01:12:45
in there, they come back in a lot quicker because it's so wide they can they can make the movement a lot easier. 01:12:52
Do you have any questions on that? 01:13:03
I'm just acknowledging I proceed just at that point given whenever the time you're always gonna try to come later. If there is a 01:13:06
drive through there as well, you're gonna be blocking and sometimes sometimes it could be significant amount of time blocking it 01:13:12
to be trucks in there trying to back in. And that's the also point of entrance where everyone's going around to to pull in. Well, 01:13:18
they'll you'll be able to still turn left off of Main Street at the next. 01:13:25
So there is still an entrance into the parking of the grocery store off of Main Street. 01:13:32
So there's another break in the median up that far. 01:13:37
That that we anticipate we'll be able to stay open forever because the the car is exiting out. Umm, and you're connected don't 01:13:42
stack up that far at build out. So that's why that's pushed as far north as it is. 01:13:49
And then you know that that is 1, you know, you point out one of the real challenges that we have of of the Utah City design is 01:13:57
these buildings don't really have like a back of house. 01:14:03
The grocery store has these two sides that are both public facing 1, you know, the front door and then one to a, a street. And 01:14:10
then we're covering. We're covering like the typical blank walls of a grocery store with residents. 01:14:19
So it's it's a super cha, super challenging thing to bring that loading in anywhere. We don't wanna bring them in from the east of 01:14:28
the front door. But our South side is also, you know, we're trying to do everything we can to make that facade like very 01:14:35
aesthetically pleasing because it's also St. facing. And then we're closing off the other two blank walls so that we are not 01:14:42
having a blank wall. 01:14:49
To either the Paseo or the public St. 01:14:57
So this is where we thought it was the best location to to. 01:15:01
About in. 01:15:05
Brad, you have any questions? 01:15:09
Uh, on that umm, NE exit, can somebody turn left out of there or is that barrier gonna be there as well? 01:15:15
Can you turn, oh, coming out and turning left out of there. The median is broken there, so you should be able to turn left hand 01:15:25
out of there too. Umm. And then, yeah, I guess, uh, David would bring up the point of the, umm, drive through. While we're not 01:15:32
talking specifically about the drive through and how it's working. And with this, uh, I think it is worth bringing up, umm, just 01:15:38
because of the flow of the whole thing. Mm-hmm. 01:15:45
If somebody. 01:15:53
Where to come from the drive to the umm, drive through from Main Street. They would just have to go all the way around on Main 01:15:54
Street and then 4th St. and then onto Avery St. and make a left turn into there. Yeah. So yeah, you'd cross, you'd cross traffic 01:16:02
to get into the drive through. But that the reason for going West to east. And so it puts the driver. 01:16:11
Against the pharmacy wall. If you go the other way then there's a tube that would come down on the street. 01:16:20
And so in an effort to have an aesthetically pleasing edge, we chose them in this way so that we didn't have that tube out on the 01:16:27
street. OK, OK. And we'll, we'll get into details on the nitty gritty of the drive through and how long that needs to be and how 01:16:35
wide that needs to be. And, uh, so that we can make it in a way that people aren't waiting on the streets to make a left turn to 01:16:42
get in line to go to the pharmacy. Umm, because that we don't want that, Uh, but. 01:16:49
We do want to make sure that it is accessible, umm, that people can, uh, get to it easily, umm, especially our umm, all the 01:16:57
residents. 01:17:01
OK, umm. 01:17:07
Any other questions from the Commission? 01:17:09
Yeah, just to reiterate any drive through discussion, it's in the future. 01:17:12
Yeah, it'll, it'll come back. So anyone who has comments later on can voice those comments then. Okay, cool. I usually open stuff 01:17:20
up so if you guys have questions, I can write down the questions and I can ask them. Umm, does anybody have any questions that 01:17:26
they'd like to ask? Are you? 01:17:32
Sometimes there's a plans mission, but. 01:17:39
Yeah. I, I, no, I'll write down your questions. You can come up, state your question, I'll write it down. We'd still like to do it 01:17:42
back and forth with staff. 01:17:45
So let me go over this now. 01:17:52
This price you're going so Darlene is pointing out on the map, uh, where the trucks are going on the South side. 01:17:56
And stuff like that. 01:18:03
Yeah. So questions, do you have to be in the microphone just for the record? Yeah, for OK. 01:18:08
Loading and unloading is a small Gray block on the bottom. So Darlene is asking about the loading and the unloading on the small 01:18:17
grade block on the bottom. That's correct, apparently. And how? 01:18:22
The trucks get there in and out and turn around. So the trucks, uh, she asked when the trucks will get in and out and turn around 01:18:27
and, uh, I would answer and how? And that would be that they back into that. So they would be on the main road and they would back 01:18:34
into that, correct? Uh, she asked if it's on Mavery Avery and I said correct. 01:18:40
They're coming in on angry and they'll back in here to load and unload and in that area. 01:18:48
That that's what Darling said, and that is correct. 01:18:57
Next question, this thing over here, will we have a problem with the trust and the tingles going into. So Darlene is asking if 01:19:00
we'll have a problem with the traffic and the trucks going into that area? 01:19:07
Visualizing it for sure. 01:19:16
Do you have any other questions, Darlene? I can write it in. OK, thanks. 01:19:19
OK, so, uh, talking about the track, umm, uh, like you were saying, umm, a majority of us, uh, are those trucks are going or those 01:19:27
trucks are going to come in really early in the morning. So traffic is gonna be less of a concern, but that's not to say that it's 01:19:34
not a concern. Uh, another thing with Avery, since people aren't going to be able to turn left on Avery, it will ease some traffic 01:19:40
because the only traffic will be those turning right on Main Street to go down that road. And the only reason to do that. 01:19:47
Would be, I suppose if you were a resident, but it'd be kind of weird coming from that direction. But uh, yeah, I can see how 01:19:54
that's a concern. So would you mind kind of addressing that? Yeah, yeah. So if you flip back to the landscape plan, it kind of 01:20:01
shows the mock up of how the, the entrance comes in for the drive through. So there's separate entrances there. Uh, I don't know 01:20:09
how many feet apart, but you have the access for the loading area and then a separate access to the. 01:20:16
Yeah, I guess what she's wondering is from the public Rd. like if trucks are pulling onto the public road and then they're 01:20:24
stopping, are they stopping traffic and then backing in? Yeah, they would while they're making that move. To reiterate, if you go 01:20:30
back to the site plan, sorry. 01:20:35
Not the landscape plan, the site plan. There we go. That does not show a driveway because that's what we are considering and 01:20:43
voting on tonight. Yeah, right now if anything gets approved, it will be without a drive through. That would come at a later date. 01:20:48
Yeah, I know. 01:20:52
Just wanna make sure that's clear. I don't think she's asking specifically about the drive through as much as just the local 01:20:57
traffic on the Avery Street, California. 01:21:01
Yeah, there is, there is a conflict point right there with when those trucks do come in early in the morning, they would for 01:21:05
whatever time it takes in the back end would be blocking that street and. 01:21:11
Four, Yeah. 01:21:20
Yeah, right. Yeah. So so they do come in early, but like, like straight in with, uh, anything. Anything. No, I don't know. I'm 01:21:22
sorry. I'm sorry. I'm struggling with things. I usually write every name down so that I don't forget names, but here we are. 01:21:30
Alright, so, umm, like you're saying, umm, on every side, it's gonna be a finished purpose. So normally when you see a grocery 01:21:38
store like a Winco or something, or a Target, they have behind it a huge loading zone where they, they do their loading and stuff. 01:21:45
But, uh, the way this is designed is every, every surface that you see in Utah City pretty much is gonna be like finished surface 01:21:52
where you're gonna drive by and you're not gonna see a wall of concrete with the loading zone and, uh, there. 01:22:00
They're gonna be, umm. 01:22:07
I don't want to say consequences to that, but they're going to be, uh, setbacks because of that. And, uh, uh, trying to mitigate 01:22:11
those setbacks as much as possible. But I mean, if somebody's leaving at 4:00 AM and they're trying to take Avery St. uh, they're 01:22:18
gonna have to go around, uh, it's just gonna have to be with us or they're gonna have to wait 2 minutes for them to back into the 01:22:25
spot. So there, there's gonna be some stuff like that, but, uh, another, I guess. 01:22:33
All of that is, but I wonder if people notice or how upset they are on Center St. and Orem, uh, ferretrucks that back into that 01:22:40
development like all the time. And that's Center St. Norm. That is a very popular through road and they're constantly blocking 01:22:46
that. And so just want you to think about this. This road is probably gonna be one of the least utilized roads in this 01:22:52
development, I would guess. 01:22:59
Uh, so yes, there will be trucks that are backing in Yes, it will cause. 01:23:06
I confirmed some people that are up super early in the morning, Uh, but it would be a 2 two minutes delay at the very most, I 01:23:10
guess. Yep, I think that's fair. And I, I'd say too, I think, you know, we were really concerned to pull the drive through off 01:23:18
because we didn't want to come back and, you know, make it feel like it's a bait and switch that we pulled it off just to come 01:23:25
back and add it in later. And so that's why I think Anthony wanted to just like we are planning on doing that. We're gonna. 01:23:33
Pursue a text amendment so that we can add a drive through for pharmacy. Umm, but. 01:23:41
Yeah. We, we have taken it off so that we can come do that process later. Yeah. 01:23:47
Just wanted to add to that, umm, after times right now, the current code does not allow draft to in the downtown area. So I guess 01:23:52
I gave that information out to give you an, you know, heads up that they're working on making things more convenient by going 01:24:00
through the zoning text amendment, which is going to be a requirement to make this happen. And if that's approved, they will come 01:24:07
in for a site plan amendment to have just that drive through part discussed and approved. Yeah. 01:24:15
Can, can continue as is without the gro, without the pharmacy drive through. This allows us to get, uh, any early permitting in 01:24:52
like our land disturbance permit. Now that the site will, hopefully the site plan approval will be done. We can keep moving 01:24:58
forward and then we'll come back with the, with the drive through later. That way we can get a grocery store sooner. Alright, any 01:25:05
other questions? Sorry, go ahead. 01:25:11
Thank you. 01:25:19
OK I'm a little disappointed because at last Planning Commission it was not we weren't told that we were gonna be have to go all 01:25:21
the way around Yeah so I'm very disappointed in that by the developer and umm also with these loading docks they're gonna have 01:25:28
eight stories right built up next to it residential 131 more units those people need to sleep 234 in the morning are you gonna 01:25:35
put. 01:25:42
A greater sound wall to provide sound blockage for them. 01:25:50
Because, umm, you know, if they're gonna live there and they're not gonna like having big vehicles, all you know, you know, the 01:25:56
night unloading and loading and umm, also, where are they going to park those residents? 01:26:04
Are those little lines there? They're parking on the other side of, umm, 4th, 4th St. Mm-hmm. Those are my questions. I'm sorry, 01:26:14
I'm, I'm sorry. I just think it's poor planning. 01:26:20
You mind? 01:26:30
So, uh, as far as the residents there, uh, is it uh, concerned that there would be? 01:26:32
Uh, truck backing, yeah. So, uh, Anthony, can you find the elevation that shows outside, uh, maybe in the 3D one? So we, even 01:26:39
though this site plan looks like that's all open, that loading area is totally enclosed. So those, that kind of garage door, 01:26:46
that's where those trucks are backing into. So that area when the unloading is happening, it's completely enclosed and that door 01:26:53
can shut with the truck all the way in so that they're not sticking out or. 01:27:01
For anything so that that's one effort of down proofing when we bring the residential building in, those lower three stories are 01:27:08
all amenity spaces. So because we can't have a unit, umm, backed up onto the grocery store because it doesn't have windows up 01:27:15
against the wall, that's all amenity space. So the actual residential units are up above and then right now we're planning on that 01:27:21
being. 01:27:28
Uh, uh, two-story podium, like a concrete podium with five stories on top of that. So we'll, we'll bring that in as a separate 01:27:36
approval. 01:27:40
OK, thanks. And then, uh. 01:27:45
Up at 3:45, So all right. And then I think it's just two. 01:27:49
Yeah, I mean the the residents were asked that'll come back at a different Yeah. And then the residential wrap as far as parking 01:27:55
and everything is gonna come back when they come back for that. 01:27:59
No, we'll no, we'll talk about the parking when they when they come back for that specific thing. 01:28:05
Uh, it is when we talked about the residential. Alright, one more question. I'm just in my mind, I'm kind of imagining in Salt 01:28:11
Lake City, you have the, the Reserve Bank there and have a similar thing in the door open and back in and out. Umm, we just have 01:28:17
to similar safety precautions. Like usually you have like a flashing light so people know, hey, there's a big chunk about to come 01:28:22
out or something like that. Yeah, that's uh, like out on the sidewalk because yeah, the truck does come across the bike clean and 01:28:28
the sidewalk. 01:28:34
Uh, I don't know that we've, we've put anything in there for that, but that's a good idea. Uh, is that something to bring up now? 01:28:42
I'm assuming we haven't considered this type of safety situation in our, our zoning, but I'm sure we're gonna have to pay time. I 01:28:48
mean, there's no account. There's gonna be times where it's like, hey, we have a data item delivery things are running late. So 01:28:55
you're gonna have a truck pulling in or backing out. So we'll do some indicator there of like, hey, stay down by box. 01:29:01
Don't cross. 01:29:09
That, that is a condition you could have at the site plan that you wanted to see, just like improved pedestrian warning signs or 01:29:10
something like that near the, the truck loading station. And then, umm, we can work with some on that. 01:29:17
And it yeah. 01:29:24
What about backup on the background? That could be really annoying for you. Oh, alarms. 01:29:29
Yeah, yeah. Do we have it or not? I mean that one. 01:29:38
Yeah. No, I would think that the trucks could disarm that. 01:29:43
OK, but also. 01:29:47
Really Also, uh, it's nice this grocery store is coming in before all of this residential. So if, uh, if it's a concern for people 01:29:51
simply don't rent right there. Uh, uh, we can self select on, on that. Yeah. Because everywhere you live, uh, if you don't like 01:29:58
kids, you live next to kids, kids there. Uh, and it's gonna be the same with everything. And it's uh, nice that this is something 01:30:05
that is gonna be here beforehand. Uh, people will know what they're buying. If that's a concern for them then. 01:30:13
That's a concern that you're gonna be lost at the unit to run from if it's not a concern for them, right? Umm. But yeah, I do 01:30:21
think. 01:30:24
Uh, did you guys add that as a condition for the, umm, safety, working with staff on potential safety? Yeah, I can add that right 01:30:29
now. OK, thank you. 01:30:34
And I saw there was one more comment. 01:30:40
Yeah, I listened to all of the concerns about the 4:00 AM delivery. Sorry. This is Sarah Cameron. Mm-hmm. Umm, is is the pharmacy 01:30:45
gonna be 24 hours? 01:30:50
We we don't know, Yeah, we we don't know the hours of the pharmacy right now. OK. Just curious because if it's normal hours, 01:30:56
that's not really an issue then. Yeah, I don't. Are there any pharmacies that are 24 hour? No, Yeah, I guess, yeah, I guess a lot 01:31:03
of, I guess a lot of right, which is handy, but yeah. OK, thanks. Alright. 01:31:10
A a rough 11 just a comment. It seems like it's being taken given here. These structures come over in the morning. They're gonna 01:31:20
get there when they get there. I've been in a grocery store lots of times and I ask for a product to say oh the truck will be are 01:31:25
an hour you know and and those trucks are gonna come and they're gonna block traffic at bad times and then I agree with my wife. 01:31:31
It's just a very poor planning on unloading these trucks it uh. 01:31:36
I just don't understand it. Thank you. Excellent. 01:31:43
Current Cornelius resident. Unfortunately, I think the fact that we have to feel the need to use every square inch of land in Utah 01:31:58
City is going to pose this kind of a problem with any business that wants to come in. And so that just really troubles me that. 01:32:08
This we might limit ourselves and what businesses want to come in because there is an access for their freight, for their living 01:32:18
in their own money. 01:32:22
My other question is, it seems like there are still a lot of question marks with respect to this plan and how it's planned to move 01:32:26
forward. So how are we supposed to have faith in the several going in the ground by November and we still have all of this 01:32:33
unknown. So are are there questions specifically the well, I'm just hearing we have a sense of a space issue. We haven't planned 01:32:39
for this. We haven't done this. 01:32:46
And, and the fact that this is the first time we're hearing about having to go all the way around Utah City to get to the 01:32:53
pharmacy, Mm-hmm. So. 01:32:58
Every time we come, it seems like we learn something new that is of grave concern. So that's just, that's just my feeling. Are we 01:33:02
really ready to put the shovel in the ground? Yep. So for sure. 01:33:08
All right, can I have some more on the part here? I'm just going to harm his in Salt Lake. I mean, it looks like they have a, a 01:33:17
similar thing. Do they back in or is there's a drive through? Do you know how the earthquake, uh, the, the Harmon's in Salt Lake? 01:33:24
Yeah, they're downtown West. Uh, I don't off the top of my head, but we can look at it real quick. 01:33:30
It looks like they're they've got parking up above. 01:33:48
Uh, and then they're, they're loading dock comes off our style. 01:33:53
I can show that here. 01:34:04
That appears to be the the loading for the Hermans right here. Yeah, looks like they just back in. I'm just kind of visualization. 01:34:07
I've been up there a lot at all times and. 01:34:12
That's, I mean that's similar to what we're envisioning as kind of a double sided back in there. It looks like a door would drop 01:34:18
down. 01:34:22
And it looks like they're sized for two trucks with vacuum like we are. 01:34:28
Yeah, I mean, you can see it's a, it's a challenge on your, you know, their main frontage on 100 S. 01:34:34
It's got nothing there. There's no track. Yeah, no, this is a, this is a different, uh, thing in Salt Lake. 01:34:42
I was just asking to see how another city is handling it. 01:34:50
So, uh, as, as far as that was coming or not, uh, uh, I, I can have you speak to that. Yeah. We, we own those. 01:34:58
So there will be another entity created that will but. 01:35:06
Flag borough like created that Bella brand so we'll have we're hiring leads to operate it. So maybe that's more of the question 01:35:12
would lead to common leads is involved in all of these conversations that we're having. Yeah. 01:35:19
Right. Yeah. And I mean. 01:35:28
And and I mean discussion when that. 01:35:32
Before the strikethrough is approved for you to see it and make comments on it. Thanks. All right. Do I have a motion on this? 01:36:37
Umm, I just wanna share a couple of things. 01:36:45
Sure. I I just wanna say I really like this plan. I have no questions about it and I don't think it has raised any further 01:36:50
questions. Umm, I don't have anything about this that is a concern to me. Umm, this is a downtown development and a downtown 01:36:56
district and I believe this is consistent with what has already been approved to be in this district when it comes to the trucks 01:37:02
again. 01:37:08
That has isn't a concern for me either. 01:37:15
Because it's in that downtown area and it's on a street that will not be traveled very often. Umm, as much as we want all of the 01:37:18
applications for every part of the district to come in at the same time, that's simply just not how development works. And I think 01:37:26
they'll do the disservice to this community as well as to the developers to require that. So I think it's perfectly appropriate. 01:37:33
And I actually like that the first one coming in is the grocery store, something that the entire city and community can really. 01:37:41
Benefit from umm, I believe parking will be addressed for all the residential items when that application comes in. So I'm not 01:37:48
concerned about any of these things. I just want to say I think this is a really well done application and so unless other people 01:37:55
are supposed to say I'm having some motion to approve it with the conditions provided in. 01:38:01
One second. 01:38:08
Second, Brad, all in favor, aye. All right, All right, moving on to 5.8, the Vineyard Fire station #35 site plan and conditional 01:38:10
use permit, right? 01:38:14
Uh, vehicular traffic, you know, that's the last thing that, that we want the first MI to be backing up and hit somebody. Umm, 01:38:50
and, and so we, we really do, uh, pay a lot of attention to these conditions and, and we do not give any permits or anything like 01:38:54
that unless conditions from that. 01:38:59
So I didn't it just we had two pages of conditions on that. So that's why I wanted to just let you all know that that we are well 01:39:04
aware of them and we'll work closely with with Bronson and the fiber team to make sure that those conditions are met umm, before 01:39:11
any per permits are given. Thanks so much uh onto the fire station here umm, we've seen this before umm. 01:39:18
Load it in here there, there have been no, no changes since the work session that we had last time. Umm, but maybe for the, the 01:39:28
public, uh, information here, umm, we, we have received, I, I guess the city that this application, we didn't receive an 01:39:33
application for this, uh, fire station located in the Cottonwoods neighborhood. I can pull up the map to show you exactly where it 01:39:39
is. 01:39:44
So we're here at City Hall it's pretty much directly to our West in these two lots. Well, now it's one lot, umm, in the 01:39:57
Cottonwoods neighborhood. Umm going back to this document, you can see this is the site plan here. The, the house, because it is, 01:40:03
we are designing it to, to look like a house. It'll look like the, the Princeton model that's in that neighborhood. So it'll fit 01:40:10
the kind of character of that neighborhood. Umm and it faces 80th South. The rest of those houses uh. 01:40:16
I think it's Kiki wood or two 260 W umm so it will not quite face the same direction as as everywhere as all the other houses, but 01:40:23
this allows for for. 01:40:28
Safer and faster emergency responses. The the firefighters will not have to umm, turn out on the QQ one and then 80 S and then 300 01:40:33
W so they can go directly from, from AG S on the 300 W Umm, So yeah, this is that, that landscape plan. There's umm, a pedestrian 01:40:39
ADA access to the rear right here. They weren't able to accomplish that up at the front. So that's kind of why you have this 01:40:46
sidewalk and access right here. 01:40:52
Umm, you have the site here, a lot of people the, the last meeting, if I remember right, we had questions, umm, about the garage. 01:40:59
There were some some questions about that and then as well as about parking. 01:41:04
Umm, parking for the site, uh, they, they, the employees will have access to the driveway and garage here as the fire apparatus 01:41:10
and, and ambulance will be able to park in the, the garage area right here. And then on 300 W, the city has installed quite a bit 01:41:16
of, of parking that will be available. If, you know, they're doing a Boy Scout field trip or something like that. The public will 01:41:22
be able to park there and it won't have as much impact on the, the surrounding neighborhood. 01:41:28
Umm, the garage. This is the probably our biggest concern in the planning department. Umm, the garage itself measures, uh, almost 01:41:34
25 feet tall. 01:41:39
Which if you look at our, uh, zoning text code, umm, accessory buildings like this, like a detached garage, need to have a maximum 01:41:43
height of 15 feet. However, they can go above that up to 25 feet. But for every foot that they do, they need to increase their set 01:41:51
back by 1 foot, meaning this garage should be technically an additional 10 feet from the property line right here. Currently it 01:41:58
sits at about 8 feet. Umm, it's set back as 3. So it's, it's just shy of that, that number that, that we're looking for. 01:42:06
Umm, And so in, in the staff report, you'll see that we, we have a condition, umm, of approval here that the property is to be 01:42:14
rezoned as public facilities prior to the issuance of the certificate of occupancy. Umm, The, the reason that umm, we're doing 01:42:21
that is the public facilities doesn't have any set back limits for accessory structures. Umm, and because this property sits with 01:42:29
this umm, kind of the, the power line corridor running directly to the West, we. 01:42:36
The setbacks were not going to be an issue, right? We're not, uh, disturbing the view of anybody directly to the West. Umm, and 01:42:44
this is technically a public facility, so it should be zoned as such. Umm, And so that's what, what our condition of approval is 01:42:50
on the two quick questions on that, uh, what's the set back on the north side of the property? The north side was fine. I believe 01:42:57
it was 18 feet. OK, OK, that's totally fine. And then also, uh, if this gets rezoned. 01:43:04
And the plan is to sell this in the future to if once we get a different fire station. 01:43:12
To discuss the rezoning process, yeah, it would. It would technically be have to be rezoned back to residential and in that case 01:43:18
the the garage would be grandfathered in. OK, OK. 01:43:23
Umm, I can show the elevations in case anybody from the public has not seen those yet. Umm, because you'll see, it just looks like 01:43:30
a standard house. 01:43:33
So the intention is, is this year we, we are, uh, budgeting to, umm, hopefully be able to have six firefighters here and, and uh, 01:43:38
potentially, umm, have more than that in, in the future. Umm, The one thing this elevation does not show, umm, and, and I believe 01:43:45
that is still the case, is that this shows that it's stucco. Umm, but I believe that in our budget, umm, or proposed to have this 01:43:52
constructed, umm, it's going to be all brick. 01:43:58
So it'll look more like a Firehouse and in the red brick. 01:44:06
Umm, and then I'll show you the garage of the garage is not, though the garage does have stucco on the majority of the side. Umm, 01:44:10
and the rear cash. Do we know if there will be an installed fire full? I I don't believe a fire pole is going to be installed 01:44:18
here, so we'll put a condition. Yeah, Dalmatian thing. Yeah. I, I get the feeling we're all imagining moving in. 01:44:27
So it's like. 01:44:36
So right. 01:44:39
Any questions from the Commission? 01:44:41
Alright. 01:44:48
Cool, Alright, Do I have a motion? 01:45:19
I think this is a straightforward application, so I need to approve as presented a second, second. All in favor. All right, all 01:45:26
right, all right, I can. UH-11 last thing I forgot to mention, umm, we are looking to, to start construction on this pretty much 01:45:32
as soon as possible. This is kind of that last step. Umm, because it's kind of one of these plans that we've already stamped the 01:45:39
Princeton plan. Umm, the building review process goes a lot sooner. Umm, or the build. Yeah, building review process. 01:45:45
Umm, the other thing was, umm, we've had a lot of people request that we put up some sort of signage that says like future 01:45:52
Firehouse coming. Umm, just to raise even more awareness to the surrounding neighbors that this will be a fire station. We have 01:45:57
fly to that neighborhood letting you know about this. But so that's something else within the works. Just putting in some sort of 01:46:02
temporary construction sign that says future Vineyard fire station coming soon. So and I believe it's about a one year 01:46:07
construction. 01:46:12
OK. Thanks guys. Alright, moving on to staff, Commission and committee reports. 01:46:19
Anything from the Commission? 01:46:25
Seth, because he got the, yeah, yeah, yeah. Umm, this is one thing that, that we're gonna try to do a little bit better on our end 01:46:28
is including any kind of trainings that we went, umm, on the agenda just to, to let everybody know of, of, umm, the, the different 01:46:34
trainings and, and things that, that we've done. So yesterday I went to the, the ULI housing summit. That's the Urban Land 01:46:40
Institute. Umm, and it was up in EU in Salt Lake City, umm, and they, they talked just really a lot about forecasting the next, 01:46:46
uh, uh, 6 to 30 years. 01:46:51
Utah and what kind of housing conditions are gonna be in place and umm, they're, they're predicting that by 20-30. We between now 01:46:58
and then we need to construct, I believe there's 165,000 residential units in Utah to keep up with demand. Umm, and so it's kind 01:47:05
of a pretty grave number umm, but it was, it was a very like statistical heavy, umm, uh, conference. Umm, they talked a lot about 01:47:13
umm, how we can get more ventures into home ownership. Umm, for example, Nissan 90% of. 01:47:20
Firefly, That's pretty neat. And then umm, kind of the downtown of Daybreak was also presented. They talked a bit about what 01:47:58
they're doing there, umm, but overall a pretty nutrition, umm conference. 01:48:03
All right, Anthony, anything I seen him anything. 01:48:09
Uh, just, uh, as we're moving forward with the, uh, display for the trail, uh, over at the, the connection, I need 800 N and, uh, 01:48:16
took a row as well as to kind of make sure you like the railroad trail. Uh, and there's still construction going on there. That 01:48:23
construction's manages finishing up, uh, things for the utilities until, uh, shows in essence open obviously with the construction 01:48:30
workers and so forth. Make sure that the, so you'll be like all temporary closures. 01:48:37
Not depending on what they're doing, Like, for example, they're going to be ****. There's no pour coffee around the collars. Uh, 01:48:45
like utility callers, excuse me. Uh, so things like that. We would like to make sure that the people are clear, but for the most 01:48:51
part, the trail is open. Uh, we're, we're, we're kind of doing landscaping along there as well. So on the South side and north 01:48:57
side of the trail, uh, so it'll be, uh, a nice, uh, addition to inner city. 01:49:03
Myself, umm and uh. 01:49:10
I like it uh, and short, uh, excuse me, we're also working on doing some concrete projects around the city, Umm, uh, uh, Rd. 01:49:14
repairs, etcetera, but umm, probably something for the Planning Commission and the, uh, those attending, uh, we're, uh, they're 01:49:22
starting to do work on gallon park, uh, repairing the sidewalk. So Gammon park cool as well. So. 01:49:30
Good, good, good things going great. Uh, quick question, uh, is it possible for the next, uh, have you guys done the bylaws yet, 01:49:39
initial bylaws yet for the DRC? 01:49:43
Not yet, we haven't. Is it possible ahead of maybe ahead of the bylaws doing umm. 01:49:49
Making it possible for somebody on the Planning Commission that's not the chairman can be a voting member of the DRC. The DRC is 01:49:57
the development, uh, review committee. 01:50:02
Umm, I, I can look into this and, and let you know, umm, we've just had a lot of kind of chaos with a lot of things in BRC lately. 01:50:07
Umm, and so we'll, we'll get that all straightened out and, umm, hopefully in the next day or two, I can reach out to you on that. 01:50:13
OK, perfect. And then also we need to get it on the agenda to. Yeah, Yep. So I, I was planning for the next Planning Commission 01:50:19
meeting that we would put on the agenda to elect him as chair. 01:50:25
So great, all right. Umm, if there's nothing else. 01:50:32
80, Andrew, Thank you guys. 01:50:38
Yeah. 01:50:47
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Oh, somewhere, somewhere over there. 00:00:04
Yeah, let me. Let me be as far away. 00:00:10
All right, welcome everybody. It is 6:02 PM This is the Vineyard Planning Commission meeting. It's August 21st. Uh, we'll get 00:00:20
right into things that Nathan is gonna give us, uh, indication and Pledge of Allegiance, right? So we'll start gonna invocation. 00:00:28
Our Father in heaven, we are thankful for this day and we're thankful for this opportunity to meet together and to discuss the 00:00:38
needs of our community. We pray that thou please inspire us with thy Spirit so that we can come to decisions and have a, umm, 00:00:44
professional conversation about the various items on this agenda so that we can ultimately do what's best for the community. This 00:00:50
Father we pray for in the name of Jesus Christ, Amen. 00:00:56
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. 00:01:08
And to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:01:13
All right. Thank you. 00:01:23
All right, we'll jump into the public comments. Do you have comments come up? State your name and yeah, anyone know? 00:01:25
Just comment about stuff that's in the check. Cool. We'll move to consent items. And uh, do I have a motion on the consent items 00:01:35
for the minutes? I'll move to approve the minutes. I have a second. 00:01:41
All right, all right, all in favor. 00:01:49
Business item UH 5.5 Public hearing on the Parks and Recreation master plan. 00:01:52
We've got this one. Umm, I, I can do a brief introduction while I'll get ready. Umm, we have Paul Kenny here with CRSA who we've 00:01:58
partnered with who do the parchment Earth Master Plan. Umm, I will know on the agenda. This is listed as a public hearing. Umm, 00:02:04
for the, the planning question to make an, uh, recommendation. Umm, we did put in, in the staff report that umm may be doing a 00:02:10
recommendation was a little bit premature. Umm, as as you'll see in Paul's presentation here, they've kind of done Part 1 of this 00:02:15
parking master plan. 00:02:21
Half will be, umm, kind of the finance side where we evaluate doing some sort of impact fee analysis, umm, and we think it'd be 00:02:28
best to include all of that together in, in the, uh, recommendation. So, umm, he'll handle just trying to talk about what they've 00:02:34
done so far and then the next step. So right now it's kind of a work set. Yeah, yeah, you could still do the public hearing or you 00:02:40
could postpone the public hearing until a later date where we have the actual like financial information from, umm, I think Zion's 00:02:46
Bank is, is doing it. 00:02:52
Just, umm, and that way the, the public can get a kind of bigger picture of, of what this will look like. OK umm, is that all 00:02:58
right, Brian? OK. And we're estimating maybe October for the financial piece or mid-october. OK, uh, I'll probably postpone the 00:03:05
public hearing, but I will allow comments, uh, tonight just to uh yeah, that, that, that was we, we did get some feedback from, 00:03:13
from the council, uh, City Council, but they did want to have earlier in the process, umm, some comments from the. 00:03:20
But umm, before we get to that financial side of them, so OK, cool. 00:03:28
All right, so, uh, like Brian said, we just wanted to give him kind of a brief introduction of what the next plan is. Could you 00:03:54
just state your name, sorry, into the mic for the records then? 00:04:01
You're right, uh, where your architect's been seeing, we have a team of our license landscape architects who are also department 00:04:09
with this, uh, partnering with documents and GDA. Umm, So what I wanted to do is just give you have a brief introduction. What is 00:04:15
the name and parts of our master plan and how's it going and what's the process? 00:04:21
Where we are today and where, umm, so starting out, just what is umm, I mean, the video parts of my master plan is really just a 00:04:28
plan that establishes what recommended improvements to the parts and rec department and to, uh, you know, we would recommend over 00:04:34
the next year to 20 years because there's some immediately continuing to play their needs. Any public input and table synthesize 00:04:41
over the last couple of months. 00:04:48
Umm, this is produced projected by team of licensed, uh professionals and my total licensed architects, I guess maybe a license 00:04:55
and ATM architects community as well. We've taken a combined national standards and local 5 of feedback to generate a list of 00:05:02
recommendations and also to kind of put together a big approach and then you would quantify the improvement year over year. 00:05:09
Which we do provide in the design of public finance to actually do the final impact analysis that would be present in the final 00:05:17
plan. 00:05:22
Umm, so like I said, the process is what do we do first? We just want to see what do we have right now, understand what the 00:05:29
existing conditions are, and then we take those and document them and go through the public outreach process due to the president 00:05:35
during day-to-day. We sent out a public survey, got an overwhelming response from the public idea incorporated into this 00:05:41
recommendation. 00:05:47
3rd step, we're on Step 3 right now. Step 1 is that impact key analysis, which I it's just been done by an iron public finance. 00:05:54
Umm, we are finalizing the recommendation right now and I'll go over just a couple of them here today, but this is going to sign 00:06:01
in. So the first part is, you know, we looked at the existing part take away on parts public open page. So what we mean by that is 00:06:08
you know what is in your time right now. 00:06:15
It currently owns what are some options for public use, but if you're a playground inside the nature of the next to us any 00:06:23
positioning position part so. 00:06:28
We wanted to make sure we're not doubling down on anything, uh, that's already publicly available, even if it's not actually owned 00:06:34
by the, but it's still enabled. 00:06:40
Umm. And then also are there any? 00:06:47
That could be potentially, uh, I guess renewed or, uh. 00:06:52
Get a little bit of minimum light through some sort of, you know, public improvement in the American world. Like where, where are 00:07:00
their opportunities? 00:07:05
There's one item. There are. 00:07:12
The next, the next line would be public outreach. So like I said, we, we did do a public survey, uh, we got over 1000 responses, 00:07:19
1046 responses, which is really just amazing. I mean, usually when we do these type of things, we, we expect some, somewhere in 00:07:25
the realm of 400 responses. So we got over double what we typically see when we send out these surveys. Umm, what you see in that 00:07:31
graph to the right is a. 00:07:36
Uh, we, we've quantified the feedback we've got and tried to put it in, in some sort of a graph. This is one of the questions, uh, 00:07:43
where we asked the public to rank what they found most important in the parks and rec department and what they kinda where they 00:07:49
wanted us to focus efforts from a recommendations perspective. So we can see parks and trails and recreation areas such as sports 00:07:55
courts really rising to the top, uh, with the lower ending facilities like the heritage museum and Community Center and just 00:08:01
general open space for. 00:08:06
Field soccer fields and stuff like that, umm, kind of ring ring down towards the bottom. Uh, and, and so all of this information, 00:08:13
uh, you're just seeing a very brief snip up right. There is a final master plan document which will be proposed and provided, uh, 00:08:20
to the team, uh, once it's complete, umm, and, and has the impact fee analysis included in it. Umm, additionally, we were, uh, you 00:08:28
know, present during the town hall, but we just just occurred on August 8th, uh, to garner a little bit of additional. 00:08:35
Feedback. 00:08:43
We took that public feedback and we waited against NRPA data. So this is a national, uh, data database that basically says, OK, if 00:08:45
you have a city and it's of size X, then you should have a ratio of this number of amenities to that number of population. So one 00:08:52
playground per 3000 residents, for example. And we, so we measured that across all of the amenities with the NRPA data measures 00:09:00
and said this is basically. 00:09:07
That you would need, uh, based on the current population, the projected 2035 and the projected 2045 population, umm, we're, we're 00:09:15
seeing, you know, that towards the end of 2045, we're, we're assuming that Utah city will be pretty well built out and you'll have 00:09:21
a, a significantly higher population than is currently present. So we'll need to be kind of ramping up the amenities, uh, from a 00:09:27
parks and rec perspective. 00:09:33
As you get towards that 20 year mark. 00:09:40
Umm, this, you know, just, we, we wanted to just kind of show an overlay of what, you know, the master plans that we know for sure 00:09:44
are currently, uh, you know, underway or in place. We've got the, uh, waterfront improvement plan here on the northwest side, Utah 00:09:49
City, obviously on the north, excuse me, UVU's kind of master plan there on the northeast central corridor plan, uh, Holdaway 00:09:55
farms and then a couple of other kind of smaller parts and rec improvements. And we wanted to show those kind of back-to-back with 00:10:01
what we're proposing. So. 00:10:06
From a recommendations perspective, we tried to break it down into through in those three phases. Like what do we need 00:10:13
immediately? 00:10:15
What do we need in 10 years and what do we need in, in 20 years? So right now what we're looking at Y, you know, kind of 00:10:18
recommending is focusing efforts on that north side near where Utah city is, umm, looking for opportunities to do those overlay 00:10:26
fields for like diamonds, uh, baseball diamonds with soccer fields. And you could do flag football even on some of those kind of 00:10:33
fields and getting some of those multi use, uh, fields already established in, in a spot, right? So, uh, you can see that. 00:10:40
In 10 years, we're looking, you know, potentially a Recreation Center in that Utah City area. I apologize, I misspoke. Umm, this, 00:10:48
this immediate priority is really down here in the South side, umm, near where the Heritage Center was proposed in the original 00:10:54
central corridor master plan. There's a lot of open space right there and you could start putting those overlay fields in, uh, up 00:11:00
front just to kind of satiate the existing population, umm. 00:11:06
September 20 years, that's when you know, we're, we're, we're kind of anticipating Utah City to be. 00:11:13
Uh, and then, you know, maybe some additional overlay deals and multi use parks like we were proposing in the immediate need, 00:11:48
because as that population grows, you're gonna start to see things trending towards, uh, in needing additional multi use field. 00:11:55
So that, so that's where we are today. Umm, I would say we're probably about 90% of the way through the overall parks and rec 00:12:05
master plan. We have recommendations. We have the data right now to back up the recommendations, but we haven't done the impact 00:12:10
the analysis. 00:12:16
That impact fee analysis is really gonna answer 2 questions for us. You know, how much should be charged by impact fees and when 00:12:22
should these be applied? So that's gonna be done by Zion's public finance. What we're gonna do next is take those numbers, the, 00:12:29
the estimates for how much each one of these amenities cost and break them down per year. Provide that design as public finance, 00:12:36
and then they will provide U.S. financial data to support, uh, impact fees that you would, you know, charge later. 00:12:43
And like Brian said, that should be rounding out, uh, near October. 00:12:53
I came in a couple of minutes late. I got the trip though, and I, I read the prep material. So for the impact fees, how does that 00:13:03
apply, uh, to, I guess from the status of approved development or different phases, when would new development possibly be 00:13:10
required to pay a new impact fee and what's grandfather doing? 00:13:16
Yeah, umm, typically your impact fees are gonna be based on the time that you pull billing from that. And so that's when you're 00:13:25
bill your impact fees. Umm, what would be assessed? And so if parks, if we had a parking tax fee that, that would be something 00:13:30
that that would be assessed at that time. So it, it would be for like new, umm, billing permits. Why don't you go for billing 00:13:36
permit then essentially? 00:13:41
We have a breakdown of our population by age. 00:13:48
Umm, we have, we do have census information. I don't know if you, if you have that, umm, available. Yeah. We, we, we have some of 00:13:52
this instance information. It's, it's a little skewed though. Umm, I guess you know, the, the data we got right from, from a 00:13:59
population perspective, it's, it's a little bit behind, you know, where we have the estimates right now. Mm-hmm. OK, yeah, I mean, 00:14:06
our problem is we also have, umm, a pretty significant student population. So that typically. 00:14:13
Are UMM potentially domiciled at their parents house and so they're even though they're here? 00:14:21
Their addresses are in, in other places. So it doesn't give you, umm, a really accurate age, but it's, it's, it's fairly young. 00:14:26
Umm, the American Community Survey, umm, we're now at that population where I think we get the bi annual, umm, up update. And so 00:14:31
we don't have to wait for that 10 year anymore. So we, we, uh, we, we could pull that and, and, and see, but we do have some 00:14:37
information on it. I just don't know if it's gonna be like super accurate. OK, Would you mind going back to the slide about 00:14:43
priority? 00:14:49
Yeah, So you're gonna hear this from me, of course. Uh, in the 10 year priority, in 10 years, uh, very large chunk of our 00:14:56
population is not gonna be here. All the kids, umm, and a lot of these amenities, umm, are amenities for children. Umm, we have, 00:15:05
I, I agree that we need all sorts of playgrounds and, uh, things like that. 00:15:13
But. 00:15:22
You're going to hear this from me. I think that the State Park needs to be a more immediate priority. Umm. 00:15:24
Activities where kids, uh, are part of the team. Our activities where kids, uh, don't know people. Uh, there are none in the city 00:15:31
right now. There's nothing, uh, unless they own a bike, I guess. Uh, but even then, like there, there aren't things for kids to 00:15:37
do, to get out and to meet other people and to be active unless they're part of the team or unless they have friends that do the 00:15:43
same thing as them, umm. 00:15:49
And I think that it's important that we have activities like that as soon as possible because our our population right now. 00:15:56
The kids are reaching that teenage age and you're starting to see some ruckus from them and you're starting to see they have 00:16:04
nothing to do except ride, go karts around the city and like harass people. Uh, so I think that a skate park, personally, I think 00:16:11
skate parks or even other things that kids can do that are in that team in those teenage years that isn't a playground, that isn't 00:16:19
a pickleball courts, that isn't a soccer field, something where they could go even by themselves and do something. 00:16:26
The Skate Parker, uh, pump track or uh, umm, park 4 park, like uh, rock climbing walls, bouldering kind of stuff. I think that's 00:16:34
an immediate need. Umm, because we wait 10 years to do that. We just missed out on a very large chunk of our population. 00:16:43
I agree with that and echo everything that you said. I have a question. Umm on the land being referred to on the immediate 00:16:54
priority location umm. 00:16:59
Maybe this is a question for staff. Uh, could you let me know where it's indicating immediate priority, what that is referring to? 00:17:06
And do we have any actual plans yet, uh, for developing park space in the land that's being referred to here or do we need to get 00:17:14
this approved before we can get going on those plans? Yeah. So just a few things, Umm. 00:17:23
Obviously these are guidelines, umm, with these, so I mean skate park could be sooner than 10 years. This is just kind of based 00:17:32
off of averages, but every city is gonna be a little bit different so. 00:17:37
Just being able to match the needs of each community and the public, what they wanna see that can really just help prioritize 00:17:44
what, what we do. Umm, as far as what's in the works, umm, particularly in that purple area that's #15 uh, I believe, yes, Sir. 00:17:51
Umm, where is that located? I'm trying to get my, that is right West of Gammon Park, OK. 00:17:58
For the pumpkin pumpkin patch patches currently. 00:18:07
Uh-huh. 00:18:12
Yeah, yeah. So, umm, we did a central corridor plan which included that area, umm, and the plan as of recent from all the feedback 00:18:13
we got from residents was to put 2 full size multi-purpose soccer fields, umm, and all abilities playground. 00:18:22
We would kind of expand the community gardens. 00:18:33
Tennis courts there. 00:18:38
Anyway, a lot of the things we don't have the the financing for all of that. So we get it. So that'll take time to to get all of 00:18:41
that. But that's kind of the underlying plan for that area and difficult. And obviously as plans for that part more finalized then 00:18:49
we have landscape planes and drawings as we public and shared with everyone, Sir, so much input. 00:18:57
From umm, financial decisions on something big like the city did decide to go for a Community Center. That's gonna be a, a pretty 00:19:35
large thing that's gonna require most likely, yeah, but probably umm, a, a needs analysis. I mean there's probably a lot of 00:19:42
studies for something that large and umm, but anyway, it's important to have these items in the plan so at least indicate that 00:19:49
there's alignment, umm, to, to do them, umm, and then. 00:19:56
Your priorities can be shipped and as a master plan too. This is something that you know, it's umm, it's a council or the Planning 00:20:03
Commission. So. 00:20:06
Shows, you know, three or five years you could revisit and, and update it, umm, as, as priorities and just the economy and things 00:20:10
start to our needs as a community, umm, starts to change. So kind of building up that again, uh, the master plan does show what 00:20:17
our priorities are and if something might happen sooner. But if we're saying that a skate park isn't, uh, or some kind of activity 00:20:24
for teenage kids is not a priority and. 00:20:31
That yes, I think that needs to be way more of a priority than it currently is in the 10 year. Yeah. So your, your job is as a 00:20:38
Planning Commission is to provide that recommendation. 00:20:42
So, umm, policy on that. And, uh, so it, you know, if, if there's general kind of alignment from the Planning Commission, then 00:20:47
what he would do is for the official public hearing, he would up, up update the plan and let's bring it back to that. And then if 00:20:53
you recommend approval of that plan, it would go into the City Council with that John as the president. OK, OK. And just another 00:20:59
note on that, The people least likely to fill out some kind of survey or something. 00:21:06
Are those people so, uh, teenagers actually like get left out in a lot of different things, a lot of uh, uh, decisions for city 00:21:13
stuff. So Paul, do maybe like explain, do you guys? Yeah, like what, what kind of maybe effort you, you've made to get different 00:21:20
populations? Yeah. So, uh, in part part of the umm. 00:21:26
Part of the, the public input, we did decline a number of, actually most of the people were between 18 and 30, uh, that got pulled 00:21:34
in that original public outreach. Umm, and you know, I think what we, what we were really finding is that, and, and that's what 00:21:41
you're seeing from, from the recommendations is that most of the people that were told, uh, to be fair, you know, did have kids. 00:21:49
And so that's probably why you're seeing a lot of this data pointing to the idea of having. 00:21:56
Inclusive parts and inclusive like quartz and, uh, like multi use fields and things of that nature. But another thing to, to add 00:22:04
to that is that this is a baseline inventory, right? I, I mean, this is really what it's, it's meant to kick start the whole 00:22:13
process of aligning your population with amenities and, and it is still flexible like, uh, like you mentioned, so. 00:22:23
I am hearing what you're saying and we can make that recommendation or or or change it up to and and it will still go up for 00:22:33
additional approval before it's, you know completely finalized that instead so. 00:22:38
I I hear what you're saying and I'm definitely incorporate that. Thanks. 00:22:43
Great. And you have anything? 00:22:48
No, no. Any other questions? Umm, I just want to say I pulled up the census data currently as of 2020, two, 36% of Vineyard is 00:22:50
under the age of 18. And so it is a young community. Over 70% is still working age, maybe younger than 64. So it's awesome that 00:22:59
we're planning for the future because this is a very forward-looking community and we want to make sure that. 00:23:08
That the people that called in your home wanna stay here, and I think this is doing that. 00:23:18
And so I agree, an immediate need, something for the teenager spot. I think that's what we should do with certain immediate need. 00:23:22
But I 100% agree with the 10 year priority in the 20 year priority, you know, umm, I think this is very smart and it's a really 00:23:28
good start. Yeah. 00:23:34
Cool, thank you. And maybe worse, if there's time before you do like the official public hearing, maybe if you wanted to try and 00:23:41
do some umm targeted public, umm outreach to to to you. So maybe don't utilize like the youth council, but. 00:23:48
I don't know if there's some interest that would that would help inform your decision. 00:23:56
Decision umm, but if you potentially make a look at trying to have a more targeted audience or even do you like us take some 00:24:00
focus. Yeah yeah. I I think the community shows up at umm, the on Saturdays at Grove Park, the soccer games or football games, 00:24:09
whatever it is. If you wanna figure out what the kids vineyards want that's when they're all gathered. 00:24:17
Come on, sit together. And so putting the tent out there. 00:24:27
Offer cotton candy or something. I don't know other options, other things could be like putting up some kind of signs in the city 00:24:32
with AQR code, like could this be a future this? Because I feel like stuff like that gets attention to do like is this happening? 00:24:38
Is that gonna happen? Whether that's good attention or bad attention attention. And if it's QR code, like would you like to see 00:24:43
this here? Is this an immediate need? Do you feel like your kids would benefit from this stuff like that if people are seeing a 00:24:49
sign in a place. 00:24:55
See, like I think that that can get attention. Like that was actually part of the initial public hearing, uh, I'm sorry, the 00:25:02
initial public outreach. And so we did set up through our codes and, and they actually flyer all the city with that QR code and 00:25:07
that's how we got all those responses and that showed up. OK. Yeah, it was, it was awesome. I mean, I think that there was a lot 00:25:13
of places too that were on there that were, it's this important to you EC etcetera. Is that something we'd want to entertain doing 00:25:19
again? 00:25:24
Yeah, just a, a in a very pointed way then. And what you're what you mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, OK. 00:25:30
And just to specify that, so are you referring specifically to teenagers? Uh, I mean, I would like to see more data from 00:25:40
teenagers, OK, but, uh, getting them to fill out a survey. I, I'm not sure how you do that, you know? 00:25:49
Setting some something up quite close and then, you know, I just see parents walk by with the kids and say we love your your, your 00:25:57
input. I would probably get some or even like AQR code that's set up near a bus stop. 00:26:03
Like when kids are going to school and just see that, like with a question on it, that's like, oh, I don't know about that. 00:26:09
Cool. Uh, I think it's great. I think, uh, having a master plan is important, uh, for the city, especially with all the open space 00:26:18
that we potentially have and do have. So, and if we're gonna be doing this for the next few months, uh, I'd also include these 00:26:25
links where every time you register for programs, because the people who are registered for programs are also typically. 00:26:32
So it's invested in the community. So use the same e-mail that they provided to last as many opportunities for surveys there too. 00:26:40
Cool. So I think we're gonna hold the public hearing off until the financial meeting when we have a better idea. But, uh, if there 00:26:49
are people that would like to make comments of maybe a couple of questions you would like me to ask, I can write them down. Uh, we 00:26:54
try not to do it back and forth with staff and stuff. So if you have questions, I'll write them down and then I'll ask your 00:26:59
questions. 00:27:04
Uh, you have to come up to the uh, stand and state your name. 00:27:10
Thank you. Yeah, thank you. Real quick, I'm sure this is gonna be a question, uh, where did we get the data as far as the 00:27:14
population continues to do? 00:27:19
Per vineyard as a total 2022 cents. The 20/2/2022 census or census has projections. Yeah, we're we're pulling our our yeah. So we 00:27:23
we use whatever is like the, the published data. So the ACS expenses. The ACS is like the the more regular update. The census is 00:27:31
like the full blown all the data. And then we are through the economic development plan part of that it's helping us to refine 00:27:38
because we're we're an outlier type community. We're not like a standard umm, you know like umm. 00:27:46
We can, umm, use some predictive numbers to generate what that population would be. So right now we have about 5500 doors in the 00:28:23
city. And if you look at our average population or household size, like 3.1 something or something like that. So then we can time, 00:28:31
you know, 3500 or 5500 times that three points, whatever number to get our current, uh, estimated population. The same thing when 00:28:38
it comes to future developments, the Utah city with the Forge or whatever. 00:28:46
May come, umm, we can get those numbers from those development agreements from the code or whatever it may be and have an estimate 00:28:53
of, you know, this development estimated have 500 units. So then we can say, well, they're 500 units at 3.14 people per unit. The 00:28:59
initial 1500 people or whatever. Maybe. OK, OK, cool. And yeah, the, the economic development strategic plan, which will, we 00:29:05
should have, uh, before the, the Planning Commission, hopefully before the end of the year. Umm, have that in, in great detail. Do 00:29:11
you know, umm. 00:29:17
Population of futures, venture city projects and stuff like that. I would ask you to talk to staff after, uh, if you have 00:29:53
questions about the recreational Parks and Recreation master plan, uh. 00:29:58
Please. 00:30:05
Daria Evans, Vineyard resident, umm I just wanna say I like the idea of the skate park. Been there, done that. We had half pipe in 00:30:08
our backyard, grind rails out front. Took our son to South Jordan, umm S Saint George Taylorsville. So and and his friends and I 00:30:16
would sit in the car while he would skateboard. 00:30:24
And it was OK and but he was more junior high school and he outgrew it. He decided I was done with it, but I think it would be a 00:30:32
good idea. 00:30:36
And I'm thinking, well, if they're thinking about moving that Community Center from Damon Park to the north, maybe that would be a 00:30:41
good place to put a skate park and obstacle courses and climbing walls. And that's just an idea I had, so thank you. 00:30:51
I'm Darlene Price and I live in the Villas. I raised four boys and with those four boys skateboarding and dirt bike riding for 00:31:05
where they lived. So I would like to see this. I'm I'm glad you're thinking about the teenagers because they need something to do 00:31:11
besides the park and the swim thing. 00:31:17
UMM I would like to see a dirt bike park UMM where they can ride their bikes as well as skateboards. I am concerned if it will be 00:31:24
monitored. 00:31:30
Because sometimes they find creative things to do, right? The second thing is, umm, will they have to sign a permission slip to 00:31:37
use it? That leaves us not on the target for people that are hurt. 00:31:45
I don't know that that that's in the park. We were it was just freeway and it was worked just fine. But people fell off dirt bikes 00:31:54
and fell off skateboards. OK, just a thought. Thank you. 00:32:01
Karen Cornelius, Bill of Residence UMM I have a question regarding the impact fees. How much of a project like this would be 00:32:19
covered by impact fees? 00:32:24
And how much comes back to our general budget? 00:32:31
Which we all know is, as described by our city manager, bare bones. 00:32:34
So that's a question I have regarding that. 00:32:41
I also think that Daria had a really good idea to put those amenities for the older kids by Gammon Park, because I think if we 00:32:45
look at the size of the dwellings that will be in Utah City, I don't think we're going to have teenagers over there. I don't think 00:32:54
we're going to have many families. I think they're very small, ranging from 400 square feet to 11:00 somewhere in there. 00:33:02
But I think the need will be on this side of 800 and not on the other side for those kinds of activities. 00:33:11
Umm, one more thing. 00:33:19
I I have a question regarding this survey that was done. 00:33:25
And I recognize that we have contractors to have this index study done, which is expensive. They have so many master plans in the 00:33:29
city with really no way to pay a form at this time. And so a survey is one more piece of that puzzle that we pay for when Vineyard 00:33:36
City has its very own software. 00:33:44
So why are we not using what we have rather than paying someone else? So those are my questions. Thank you. Thank you. 00:33:53
Also residents, umm, just really briefly, uh, I love this plan. I love the compliments about teenagers and like giving place for 00:34:07
like independent love that idea. Umm, uh, I just, uh, promised a bunch of dads that I would say something. So like there's seven 00:34:13
of us on our streets that we're have a disc golfers. 00:34:19
Very excited to see that including the plan in terms of very economical for the city, umm, sort of high throughput, lots of cities 00:34:26
that can use it and almost no maintenance test. So really exciting to see that. I think it's just a healthy activity. And so those 00:34:31
kinds of things gave part itself that don't require a lot of maintenance that lots of people can use. Glad that we focus on those 00:34:36
things. So just nice work. 00:34:41
Yeah. Any other comments? 00:34:49
Idea after we'd like nailed down these are the things we would like to do. We'll see kind of how much those things will cost. Uh, 00:35:24
but that's, that's in the next step when they come back in October, they're saying, uh, with, with that kind of data. Umm and then 00:35:29
as far as the survey software is, is there a software? I know that, uh, do you guys want to touch on that as far as the software 00:35:35
that we use is? 00:35:41
We, we we just need to keep our code in SurveyMonkey. I mean, there wasn't anything, uh, you know, I'm, I'm not aware of any 00:35:53
additional software. OK, Yeah, I, I can, I don't really have access to our wallet account. And so they have to use their own and 00:35:59
we contracted through them, OK. Then the survey was sent to them, not through us, OK. 00:36:06
Yeah. So when you generally, when you hire a company to do, uh, uh, master plans like this, it can be, it can be difficult to 00:36:14
have. It's, it's like if you were to hire a contractor and have them use your tool, like you can do that. But I, I can see how 00:36:19
that could make some issues, especially when a company is not familiar with the software that you use. But, uh, if we could 00:36:25
utilize, uh, our software more and maybe think about that for future plan is utilizing our software more and getting more money 00:36:31
out of. 00:36:37
Definitely we've already paid margins. That'd be great. Umm, and then, uh, Utah city age, umm, skate park specifically. I got a 00:36:43
touch on this because I'm a skater. Uh, if you've ever been to Venice Beach in California, umm, there are a lot of adults that 00:36:51
skate, uh, and, and in Utah cities can be a very young population, uh, with the Ubu there and uh, stuff like that. And not only. 00:36:59
Speaking specifically about uh, in uh, at Venice Beach in California. 00:37:08
You have people that are skating and you have just tons of people watching and, uh, if you've ever gone to a skate park, it's, 00:37:13
it's super interesting to watch people. It's interesting to watch people press. It's interesting to see how good people are, 00:37:19
especially kids. Umm, and having something like that, uh, in a, in a place like Utah City where they're gonna be people visiting, 00:37:25
where they're gonna be people walking and using restaurants and a young population, uh, that could still be a benefit for, uh, a 00:37:31
place like that. 00:37:36
And then also, uh, talking about the safety. Sorry, darling moment to talk about that. Umm, I, I just wanted to add really quick 00:37:43
on that where you're talking about kind of the age age too. Umm, and, and, and Springville, they have umm, kind of near their kind 00:37:50
of the downtown. It's off a little bit like the downtown grade, but it's in like the older part of the, of the city. Umm, they 00:37:58
have a skate park and it is probably half an acre in size and I've counted over 75 kids. And then this isn't a very. 00:38:05
Umm, net neighborhood, there are younger neighborhoods in, in uh, Springville, but umm, so they, they come from all, all over the 00:38:13
place and it's about half an acre, you know, 75 kids and it's a, it's a little wild, but umm, it, it definitely serves a big 00:38:20
range. And so there's everywhere from your, you know, 45 year old guy, you know, skating with his little buddies. And then there's 00:38:28
like just a little kick on scooters. So, yeah, it does serve a pretty big population. Yeah. But uh, I, I, I do. 00:38:35
Agree that having something down here where a lot of the younger families are is a good idea. There needs to be something down 00:38:43
here definitely. And we have it just, uh, just some people are aware in the central corridor plan. It's, it's planned right here. 00:38:49
So we, we do have kind of like that that empty lot, umm, was, was, is shown as a placeholder for a, uh, potential skate park. And 00:38:55
the idea was to do a umm, a pump track, umm, for, for bikes around it. And the, the police liked it because they, they liked 00:39:01
having it so that it was. 00:39:07
Proximity to, to the, the, the police presence here and so there would be visibility and it would be closer to the road. So it 00:39:13
wasn't gonna be set like set back. Umm, but we also heard the interest in having one up up north too by umm, you know, near, near 00:39:20
the waterfront. So but I know this is the one that was like de designated under the, the master plan on the number. Cool yeah and 00:39:27
then I don't know how cities work with stuff like this, but uh. 00:39:33
I don't think that, uh, they'd be able to do any kind of permission quickly. You have to find something. I don't think any city is 00:39:40
capable. 00:39:43
Of they're usually financed that and some stuff, but, uh, it's kind of the same as the park space. Like the kids can climb up on 00:39:46
the park space and hurt themselves and it's just. 00:39:52
It's just a hazard that you got to deal with, with all amenities that you put into the city. I think, uh, but legally, maybe talk 00:39:58
with somebody on staff. I don't, I don't know the, all the legal stuff or that kind of stuff. E everything are our insurance is 00:40:05
gonna like whatever the requirement is, all of that. So I, I know there's probably things they wouldn't want us to have. Yeah 00:40:13
yeah. So, yeah. So OK. Uh, any other questions, any other comments from cool. Uh, we're gonna move on to. 00:40:20
I think you might need to make a motion to continue with the public hearing after a later date and then we will just re notice 00:40:28
this because we don't have that date yet. OK, All right, Is that right? Would one of you guys like to make a motion? 00:40:34
I'm happy to do that. OK, I'll umm move to for the public hearing to a later date once we're ready. Alright, so I have a second 00:40:41
second all in favor. Aye, aye, moving on to 5.6 pub experience for the zoning text amendment for Event Center and the select 00:40:48
office industrial zone. Great. Umm cash is going to pull up to just an exhibit to umm, just get right here. So what what this umm, 00:40:55
this is an A an applicant and initiated selling text amendment. So that's where. 00:41:03
Umm, yeah, I, I, it, it's not the city of, of applying for the change. So we do have, umm, office 1600 N of the business, uh, 00:41:11
Enigma 3 for a studio that provides, umm, you know, services for, for, for production. Umm, so there's someone that wants to do 00:41:17
like YouTube ads, they wanna place the film or they wanna film a commercial or a series. They're actually a pretty, pretty 00:41:23
popular. 00:41:30
Umm, and again, and so especially during the pandemic, it was, uh, a business that that saw a lot of, a lot of growth. It's kind 00:41:37
of a new business on our side. 00:41:40
Umm, they have umm, the ability to do umm, kind of E events and to provide an offering, umm, umm, that that would kind of like 00:41:45
help the state that I when it's not in use for production type services. So with this amendment does is it adds Event Center under 00:41:53
the Soi district as a conditional use. Umm, and so the conditional use would give the power, uh, would, would give the some power 00:42:00
to the Planning Commission to, uh, require. 00:42:07
Umm, to help mitigate any potential impact. And so in this case where you're, uh, you could have events, umm, in, in the area that 00:42:16
could happen, umm, large truck traffic and, and deli deliveries that potentially be some, some conflicts with umm, you know, uh, 00:42:23
attendees to the event crossing where, where truck traffic is going. So that we felt it was appropriate through the conditional 00:42:30
use process, umm, because you'd be able to say, OK, umm, parking needs to have lighting. 00:42:38
Umm, you need to have someone out there, umm, providing traffic control and helping umm, you know, if there is a, a truck traffic 00:42:45
lane, uh, where people can come across, you can also, umm, restrict some, some of the hours. And so actually, if the event, like 00:42:53
if you don't wanna have the event during kind of the peak hour, umm, you know, Monday through Friday and it, it would allow you 00:43:00
umm, during that, that process to, to, to analyze kind of appropriate science. Umm, so we. 00:43:08
Initially is it, it gave you umm, as a Planning Commission enough tool that you could, you, you could kinda help this, this 00:43:15
business add an, another offering, but still be able to umm, uh, to mitigate potential impact. So to, to the public or to, to the 00:43:22
neighboring properties. We felt like this overall is a really good site. They've done more one off E events here umm, in the past 00:43:30
and umm, it seems like things have, have, have run really well and this is a really great offering for our business community to. 00:43:37
You know, just a little bit, but it's basically umm right now. There's the the ending is not permitted. Umm, the C is permitted. 00:44:15
Umm, we are doing a zoning ordinance overhaul. And so at that time, in a few months, we would lo what we're looking at the whole 00:44:21
chart. We may propose adding Event Center and some of these other places like your RMU actually seems like a good district, your 00:44:27
retail district, umm would would be good places for event centers, but we didn't want to make it more global. We just kind of 00:44:33
focusing on what the. 00:44:39
His UMM proposal was for the district, so. 00:44:46
OK. 00:44:49
And it's the problem. 00:44:50
And this would be a recommendation, uh, to the City Council, to the council of the final call on the orders. All right, umm. So 00:44:53
with this, uh. 00:44:58
I'm going to check out this real quick. Umm. 00:45:04
If we approve, uh, or if we recommend approval for this, umm, will we come up at a future date with the, uh, rules that they have 00:45:08
to follow as far as other conditional years? Yeah, yeah. So what would happen if this goes to City Council, City Council thumbs up 00:45:15
or thumbs down? Thumbs up. Then the applicant would then apply for a conditional use permit and then, uh, they come back from you 00:45:22
and then you would be the, umm, authorizing body for the decision. You'd be able to attach conditions to, to the mitigation. 00:45:30
Would have to be obviously there has to be a Nexus between the proposal and potential impacts. As staff, we would help you, umm, 00:45:37
talk through those like we mentioned, there's lighting, traffic stuff on the app, potential hours, operations amounted to safety 00:45:43
so. 00:45:48
Do you guys have any questions? I, I do, and I don't know if the, uh, if someone here represent the app. So we do have an, an umm, 00:45:54
representative with the applicant. Umm, so umm, you're, you're welcome to come up to you if you have any clarifying, uh, 00:46:00
information. I, I just have a question for staff cash. Go back to your previous screen where you see all the different agenda 00:46:06
items. Can you click on ordinance 2410? Umm, the ones that is uploaded is incomplete. And so because it says now, therefore, let 00:46:12
this be ordained and then there's. 00:46:18
Next, it it's hard for me to recommend approval when there's no therefore it's been placed out of order. This should be accurate. 00:46:24
That shows this table that's all the ordinances so we'll need it would need to have language that Therefore the following table 00:46:32
will be incorporated into the municipal code of the city. Venice yeah yeah. That that, that that's a good point. So when we go to 00:46:39
uh, the City Council, we, we haven't, we had an issue with our with our meeting so. 00:46:47
Totally fine, we'll do it through that. Umm, so we had to it. It was actually just to make a story, the sound of him. We're trying 00:46:54
to use the online portal umm, but we, we now have it basically fixed and we'll we'll be able to have like the official line that 00:47:00
goes to the umm, to the City Council. It would be the same proposal, but it would be like the only thing being proposed within 00:47:06
Section 1 there. 00:47:12
'S a table into the distribute table. That's it. 00:47:19
Any other questions? 00:47:25
So is this Event Center already up and running though? 00:47:27
So right now it's a, it's on a LE legally. So it's, it's a case by case basis. Umm, so it's not, it wouldn't be allowed. It's 00:47:31
something like the City Council for special events permit. OK, good. My name is Katie Shores. I'm the business owner. And no, 00:47:39
we're, we have had to cancel probably 10 events the past three months while we wait for this process. So no. 00:47:47
Sorry, so where I'll, I'll ask real quick, Alright and I'll open it up for questions. 00:47:57
Just a minute, but I, I heard your questions. I'll ask it. Uh, uh, what kind of events do you guys normally do at this time? 00:48:01
Uh, a really good example would be, uh, didn't wanted to host an ex, uh, private employee party. So, you know, bringing in a stage 00:48:11
and hosting a dinner and giving out award. OK. So like, uh, business parties or you thinking like concerts of any sort or well, we 00:48:18
don't really wanna go that big, OK? We don't want that kind of impact on our space. This is a, a film studio with about 10,000 00:48:25
square feet that we're gonna retrofit prevent to help make cash when it's not being used. So ideally more. 00:48:32
We've been we've been approached about country line dancing. 00:48:39
All right, uh, cool. Any other questions? Umm, I have more questions for staff. Umm, I'm done for the applicant. Alright, you can 00:48:44
sit down. Thanks. 00:48:49
Umm, yeah, I'm just still going through the ordinance and even going through the table and everything. Please direct me if I'm 00:48:56
missing it. I don't see a definition of Event Center other than saying in this table it says what zoning district and Event Center 00:49:02
is permitted in. And I understand we'll do conditional use permits, but totally fine. But do we need some kind of definition of 00:49:08
Event Center? Umm, a lot of our uses have that definitions and so we have a definition section. Umm, not, not all of them do we do 00:49:14
have. 00:49:20
Some umm, umm, uses that are kind of like self-explanatory. We felt like Event Center is one that we could, if you wanna have a 00:49:26
very clear definition of what Event Center is that that is one that we could add umm, like a very specific definition. And so 00:49:32
that, that would be up to the Planning Commission. And so you, if you, if you do wanna a definition, that's, that's something that 00:49:38
if you felt comfortable in getting this through the process and then coming back and then we could prep a definition, umm, next 00:49:44
time or. 00:49:50
You could, you know, it would put more time on the, on the, on the applicant, or you could come up with with a definition. Right 00:49:56
now what we essentially what we do is we take the proposal from the applicant and, umm, request and then, umm, that, that's what's 00:50:03
looking process, right? Uh, my only reason for that is if it's kind of a big Event Center, umm. 00:50:10
Uh, I'd love that we still have the conditional use permit so you can call out BS if it ever tried to apply, but I want to be able 00:50:18
to protect us as much as possible. Umm, and so I don't wanna slow down the applicant. I want this to move forward to the council 00:50:25
so we can get this processed quickly as to not interrupt business. But I would like the version that is brought to the council to 00:50:33
include the definition of Event Center somewhere in here. Umm, that staff, I trust you to come up. 00:50:40
With the definition of it just a very brief. An Event Center is a commercial space used for public events. Umm, that can be 00:50:48
addressed during conditional use from, you know, just something very big. So someone doesn't say, Oh yeah, my fast food hamburger 00:50:55
place is an Event Center because my food is an event. Yeah, I, I don't wanna buy that, you know, yeah, It, it's a pretty standard. 00:51:03
So the planner's guide, I'm sure that's probably, that's planner's definition of the red book, umm, that, that. 00:51:10
I'm sure probably has three or four. Umm, is that something you would want tonight or is that something you're comfortable pushing 00:51:18
to the City Council to to to define? Because we, we we can come up with some suggestions, for example, or we can you know, we we 00:51:24
could do we could do it in a number of ways. We could bring a definition back to you that you that you recommend free world now 00:51:29
goes to accountable for housing. Yeah, obviously when I hear from the rest of the Commission, but I am perfectly comfortable if I, 00:51:35
if we. 00:51:41
Officially recommended approval to the City Council on the condition that you add. 00:51:47
A definition for the comfortable fitter. I'm comfortable with that. I want to slow down the opportunity, yeah. 00:51:51
But maybe I'm the only one that feels that way. I mean. 00:51:57
You have anything good? 00:52:02
We decide exactly what would be allowed to be distributionally. So that being said, uh, is there any public comments? Do I have a 00:52:35
motion to open up a public hearing? 00:52:40
Motion to open a public hearing a second. 00:52:46
All in favor all right, all right, uh, if you have any comments on this come up state your name. I'll write down your questions if 00:52:49
you have questions and. 00:52:53
All right, seeing as there are none, do I have a motion to close the public hearing? 00:52:59
Ocean close public second. 00:53:04
All in favor, aye. All right, All right. That being said, do I have a motion for? 00:53:08
Uh. 00:53:17
There's a motion on this. We do have a recommendation of your sample motion. Yeah. OK, so since I was the one that complicated it, 00:53:18
I'll go ahead and make the motion. Umm, So yeah, I'll move to recommend approval of ordinance, uh, 20/24/10, allowing the events 00:53:25
and the Foy district through the provisions of a conditional use permit. Uh, while also, umm, fix up this language, uh, while also 00:53:32
including in the ordinance a definition of Event Center for the City Council to consider. 00:53:40
Thank you. All in favor. Is this, uh, do we need a roll call for this? 00:53:48
Oh, umm, this this is an ordinance. So I, I, yeah, I think, umm, I think I'm Pennsylvania. So Pam always requires for ordinances. 00:53:55
OK, All right. Uh, Graydon. 00:53:59
Yeah, anything. Yes, yes, yes. 00:54:05
Yes, OK, right. That's a concern. Uh, motion passes. OK, we're gonna move on to 5.7 Utah City Block 4, Bella's Market site plan. 00:54:09
Hi, my name is Anthony and I hope you presented on the Bellas market. 00:54:35
So just to give you a location context, the umm. 00:54:40
The proposed bill of market is going to be located in block 4 on the South uh, western corner, you know, marked here as uh, block 00:54:46
4D and that is going to be. 00:54:52
Right. Uh, between, you know, umm, Main Street, uh, we're going to have Main Street, Main Street and the Fourth Ave. on the West 00:55:01
boundary of it. 00:55:06
So the grocery store has been signed in as I did mentioned earlier, the southwestern corner of Block 4 and this is going to be in 00:55:18
the it's actually located in the downtown mixed-use district, which allows for this kind of use within the downtown area. 00:55:27
Umm is going to have three par umm, surface parking with over 200 stalls. Umm, and this is actually going to be saved into two, 00:55:37
uh, main phases. It's going to have the grocery store in itself in the same block as Phase 1 and umm, a residential uh, section, 00:55:44
which is going to be phase two, which wraps around the West and the northern side of it. And the grocery store is, umm, currently 00:55:52
about 45,000 square feet. 00:55:59
So this is the site plan indicating the grocery store right here with the surface parking. 00:56:10
And that is the current, uh, plan schedule that we have. It is not a very complete landscaping plan. Uh, we recommended that they, 00:56:23
uh, provide us with this plan schedule, the names of the plans that are going to go in the, uh, block, umm. 00:56:32
The developers here are developing a more complete plan schedule for the entire development that will show a lot more detail. So 00:56:43
we have stated in a a conditions to have. 00:56:49
A more complete landscape plan that shows a lot more detail to the specific sites. Umm as one of the conditions. 00:56:56
Here are the elevations that we have for the grocery store. That is going to be the front elevation which is going to be facing 00:57:10
the east. 00:57:13
That's the. 00:57:18
And this is the West side which is going to be wrapped by you see all of that as con, you know, block concrete because it's going 00:57:22
to be wrapped by the future phase of the residential rapid I did mention. So this grayed out outline here is going to be the 00:57:28
residential that goes on that side. 00:57:35
And out here you see the residential better, but that's going to be the north side of the grocery store where this area is all 00:57:43
going to be the residential. 00:57:47
Just to show you some renderings. 00:57:55
So that's, umm, the front of the grocery store with the surface parking. 00:57:58
In the retail umm sale retail store area on the corner with a cafe. 00:58:05
We also have the applicant here, so if there are any questions on umm, what you'd like to see, or if there's anything missing, 00:58:15
you'll be here to answer questions as well. 00:58:19
So. 00:58:36
Staff recommendation umm, we recommend that you, I mean recommend that you umm, approve the site plan as presented with these 00:58:37
conditions that the applicant provides us with an updated and detailed landscaping plan that meets the minimum requirements and 00:58:45
percentage of the landscaping for the site. 00:58:53
It currently does meet the percentage as required for that site anyway, but we need a lot more detail on that size of the plants 00:59:02
and all those, umm, the stuff to give a lot more information on what's gonna go in. We will require, uh, more detail. 00:59:10
For the met metric plan, umm, we will need them to meet all the building design requirements and also all areas where pedestrian 00:59:19
walk, uh, walkways across the driveway. Umm, shall be a constructor with some different material to allow that differentiation of, 00:59:26
you know, where a pedestrians are walking so that it would just make them more visible when you're walking across from the parking 00:59:33
lot to the store and back. 00:59:40
Umm. 00:59:50
We also do have this as a condition where the applicant shall comply with all requirements provided by the Fire Marshall regarding 00:59:52
fire access and maximum and safety. Maximize the safety and convenience of suggestion flow throughout the site. 01:00:00
The applicant shall also pay any outstanding fees and make all red line corrections that we have recommended them to have done on 01:00:09
the site. 01:00:15
There will be subject to all federal, federal, state and local laws. 01:00:22
And one last condition guide I, uh, follow, including here, would be that they umm. 01:00:28
All all submitting plans that include a proposed drive through shall be sub subject to the approval of the zoning text amendment. 01:00:35
So at the beginning of this application they did have plans to include umm the pharmacy a drive through pharmacy on the West side 01:00:41
of I can show you on the. 01:00:47
On the site plan on the West side. 01:00:55
No, on the South side of the UMM. 01:01:00
Let me just go there. 01:01:05
Good, so this was the original plan here. 01:01:12
Was to have a drive through on the South side where they're gonna have the pharmacy to make it easier for, umm, the residents to 01:01:15
pick up their medication, you know, and just go through here. 01:01:21
And uh, just to mention as well, this is not gonna be eventually, this is gonna be a one way street where they have to go around 01:01:27
the square about and then come down to 4th St. to the Avery St. to be able to have access to it. So it's not gonna interfere with 01:01:34
the traffic flow in this area as people may go in from the 4th St. area. So Avery St. is gonna be a one way St. eventually. 01:01:42
OK, OK. 01:01:52
I'll just go. 01:01:55
I'm Bronson, I'm an applicant at Flagboro. But so I think what I am thinking is talking about is Main Street median will 01:01:57
eventually come through that intersection. So people coming from the South wouldn't be able to turn left on the Avery. 01:02:04
To go to the pharmacy, this is like closer to build out. So like you know 1520 years down the road that median on Main Street will 01:02:12
will go through that intersection so. 01:02:17
So this Wednesday medium will come through this intersection so you won't be able to make. 01:02:23
This left hand turn but it is a two way St. so you'll have to get it off to come up around the square, about and down. 01:02:29
Debit number to reiterate that is upon build out in order to control traffic better because by then we'll have 10s of thousands 01:02:39
more people using that street. There's no immediate plans for that right Yep. So as it's built right now that the median is open 01:02:47
in that intersection. So it'll get closed when you know when we're doing our traffic now intersection right here and so this 01:02:54
landscape meeting and we'll just continue so. 01:03:01
Yeah. So right now you can make the left hand turn and it will stay that way until you can't make the turn anymore because. 01:03:09
There's many cars, yeah. The idea is we don't want traffic backing up on industry or Main Street, further in the Vineyard, OK. 01:03:18
So access to the grocery store from the South side is going to be on the northwest, northeast side there or like right in the 01:03:28
middle. Where where is access gonna be to the grocery store? Yeah. So there's there's an entrance there off of Main Street. OK, 01:03:35
Right. Yep, Yep, right there. And then down off of Avery St. So there's two points of access pulled back from that intersection 01:03:43
far enough that we don't get into conflict. OK. And then Avery, which street is it? That is. 01:03:50
Go over the. 01:03:57
Umm, open your connection, you're connected. It's, uh, Bennett St. Ben St. Yep. OK, so people could access it from the South 01:04:02
coming from Main Street and then turning left there coming from Main Street, going all the way around onto Ben St. and then onto. 01:04:09
4th St. or coming from the South going over the overpass on the Vineyard connector on Sand St. Yeah, OK. So. 01:04:18
Obviously, David, we'll get back to it when I open it up. 01:04:31
With the drive through, it's not part of this proposal. 01:04:39
Yeah, I agree. It needs to be. It needs to be figured out, Yeah. So staff recommended that to make this happen because the current 01:04:46
code does not allow drive-throughs in this area at all. So to make this happen, we would need to. 01:04:54
Have a zoning text amendment and an application would be yeah. 01:05:04
Which would be in the site plan amendment after that has been approved. So if that goes through, then they will come back to make 01:05:09
this happen. And at that point we will be talking about traffic access and all that to the drive through. So currently it's a part 01:05:15
of this application. I just have to mention that to give you heads up. 01:05:22
Yeah, let's let's wait until the public hearing and then we'll discuss. 01:05:30
OK. 01:05:38
So given these conditions and staff recommend an approval.