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Call to Order/Invocation/Inspirational Thought/Pledge of Allegiance   Vice- Chair Bryce Brady called the meeting to order at02pm. Commissioner Natalie Harbin led the pledge and the invocation.  
Public Comments PC
Resident David Loret addressed rumors about the PodDevelopment.   He also listed reasons to not go into high density.
Senior Planner Cache Hancey addressed changes to Podand noted when the planning Commission will be addressed on this topic. He noted that nothing is public as of yet.
Vice-Chair Brady asked about the path completion.   Discussion ensued.   Mr. Loret asked about the cemetery offering and noted to align it with the Holdaway farms development.   Senior Planner Hancey noted that they will make sure that feedback is taken into account when it gets to that point.  
Consent Items  1.Approval of the Novemberh,24 Planning Commission Meeting Draft Minutes
Motion: COMMISSIONER HARBIN MOTIONED TO APPROVE THE NOVEMBERH,24 PLANNING COMMISSION DRAFT MINUTES AT13PM. COMMISSIONER NATHAN STEELE SECONDED. ALL IN FAVOR VOTED YES: VICE-CHAIR BRADY AND COMMISSIONERS STEELE AND HARBIN. THE VOTE PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.  
Business Items  2.
2025 Planning Commission Calendar   Vice-Chair Brady asked if we should move it to a different meeting because of attendance.   Senior Planner Hancey noted that it would be helpful for scheduling.
Commissioner Harbin asked about the possibility for electronic connection.   Senior Planner Hancey noted that he would ask Pam Spencer, the city’s recorder. He discussed accepting the first meeting and then reassessing the calendar when there is more attendance.   Planning Technician Madison Reed clarified that Januaryh is a city council meeting.   Senior Planner Hancey noted that it was a joint meeting. He gave exemplified language.
Commissioner Steele asked about nominations or appointees for the new year for planning commission.   Senior Planner Hancey noted that it depends on the pace of the city council.
Motion: COMMISSIONER STEELE MOTIONED TO APPROVE THE JANUARYH ANDTH MEETINGS AND TO PUSH THE REMAINDER OF THE CALENDAR TO THETH AT15 PM. COMMISSIONER HARBIN SECONDED. ALL IN FAVOR VOTED YES: VICE- CHAIR BRADY AND COMMISSIONERS STEELE AND HARBIN. THE VOTE CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.  3.
2025 Planning Commission Chair and Vice-Chair Election   Vice-Chair Brady recommended Commissioner Steele to be a chair.
Motion: COMMISSIONER STEELE MOTIONED TO MOVE THE ELECTION TO THETH OF JANUARY AT16 PM. COMMISSIONER HARBIN SECONDED. ALL IN FAVOR VOTED YES: VICE-CHAIR BRADY AND COMMISSIONERS STEELE AND HARBIN. THE VOTE CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.       
Work Session  1.
2024 Zoning Text Amendment Overhaul
Senior Planner Hancey provided a background and an update on the progress.   Senior Planner Hancey started with the Title, Authority, Purpose, Declaration of Intent and Effective Date section. He highlighted the changes including: titles added to each paragraph and simplified language, wording for the applications section,.02.060 conflict, and wording on ordinances and requirements.
Senior Planner Hancey moved to land use and authority and other officers. He discussed the changes which included language on the term length, language clarifying sitting present members for voting,  having a chair and vice-chair pro tempore if they are absent, and language for a designee for Development Review Committee members.   Commissioner Steele asked if the city attorney had reviewed this.   Snior Planner Hancey said no, that it will be looked at after we get things more finalized. He continued to discuss the changes.
Commissioner Steele recommended having it be majority of the commission not just who is present.   Discussion about language ensued.
Mr. Loret asked for clarity on how many votes would swing.   Senior Planner Hancey responded in saying that he could adjust the language. Vice-Chair Brady clarified the numbers and the role of an alternate.   Commissioner Steele noted that this question would be good to bring up to the city attorney ahead of time.   Discussion ensued about the minimum numbers.
Senior Planner Hancey continued his description of the adjustments.
Senior Planner Hancey moved to the establishment of Districts section. The inclusion of a definition for the Geneva Road Mixed-Use (GRMU) was the suggested adjustment.   Vice-Chair Brady asked a question about the zoning map.   Discussion ensued.
Senior Planner Hancey moved to the vineyard zoning map section. The changes addressed uncertainty about boundary lines, lot division, and interpretation of the exact location.
Senior Planner Hancey moved to the district use table. He highlighted the changes including re-organized the table, short-term rentals becoming permitted, added check cashing and other credit services, car wash becoming not permitted in RMU, changed event center to conditional in RC, added mobile food court, added retail tobacco specialty business, added tattoo establishment, changed sports court from conditional to permitted, and simplified the detached garage language.
Commissioner Steele noted that he sees no issues with the content. He discussed a formatting suggestion.   Discussion about the formatting ensued.
Senior Planner Hancey added other changes.
Senior Planner Hancey moved to development agreements. He highlighted the changes: simplified language and periodic reviews.   Commissioner Steele briefed where this may have came from and thinks it makes sense.   Discussion ensued.
Senior Planner Hancey moved to permitted uses section changes. This included additional language on approvals and removal of redundant language.
Senior Planner Hancey moved to conditional uses. He highlighted the suggested changes: title report changed to may be required by planner and simplified language regarding traffic analysis requirements.   Commissioner Steele noted that he thinks that the title reports are still important. He feels that the word may leaves too much room for interpretation.   Senior Planner Hancey noted that he would look into it.   Vice-Chair Brady suggested to dig into ones that the title report would still be required and not required.   Discussion ensued.
Senior Planner Hancey moved to general property development standards section. The highlighted changes included removed flag lot language, removed language that prohibits vehicle parking not directly associated with garages, and the clear view triangle adjustments.   Vice-Chair Brady if there is a possibility for a flag lot.   Senior Planner Hancey and Commissioner Steele said yes. Senior Planner Hancey noted that we need to create standards rather than ignoring it.   Senior Planner Hancey continued to discuss the changes.
Senior Planner Hancey moved to accessory dwelling units section. He highlighted the changes: location additions and allowing for the revocation of ADU license as consequence of zoning violation.   Commissioner Harbin asked what constitutes as an added mobile housing type.   Senior Planner Hancey described it as a premanufactured home placed on a permanent foundation that would meet the code.   Commissioner Harbin discussed shipping containers.   Senior Planner Hancey noted that containers are not allowed.   Commissioner Steele expressed concern for the term mobile.   Discussion ensued.
Senior Planner Hancey noted that this language was taken from the state. He explained the moderate-income housing reporting for the state. If the mobile housing was to be more restrictive, then we may not be able to qualify.   Vice-Chair Brady asked if the city council approved more than one.   Senior Planner Hancey said yes, but we can no longer report on that one.   Vice-Chair Brady wondered if we could get the definition on what long term mobile housing   Commissioner Steele noted that we should include design standards.
Senior Planner Hancey highlighted more changes.   Commissioner Steele noted to chat with the attorney about the language to rid of the word “may”.
Senior Planner Hancey moved to the home occupations section. He highlighted the changes including an updated not permitted list.   Vice-Chair Brady asked if massages and other practices were defined.   Senior Planner Hancey said we are working to provide specific definitions of different practices.
Commissioner Harbin asked how we were enforcing this.   Senior Planner Hancey responded in saying it’s through the license and through code enforcement.
Commissioner Harbin asked about the vehicle services.   Commissioner Steele noted that the vehicle services are resolved by only allowing one customer.   Senior Planner Hancey noted that the city would still have to follow code enforcement.
Commissioner Steele noted the fact that there should not be a demand of municipal services which includes the right-of-way.   Vice-Chair Brady discussed how it is the disturbance that is the focus of this.   Discussion ensued.
Senior Planner Hancey highlighted other changes: aggregate impact measured for multiple licenses, non-profit organizations with impact must follow the standards in the section, noncompliance, utilities, and removing the business management section.   Discussions about language ensued.   There were no further sections or comments.    
Staff, Commission, and Committee Reports   Vice-Chair Brady announced progress with the skate park.   Senior Planner Hancey provided an update on the city hall.   Big thank you to Vice-Chair Brady!  
Adjournment   The meeting adjourned at07pm.     MINUTES CERTIFIED COMPLETE ON:   Januarynd,25 CERTIFIED (NOTICED) BY: Madison Reed, Planning Technician
Welcome, David to the Vineyard Planning Commission meeting. 00:00:21
Today is December 18th, 2024. It is. 00:00:25
6:02 PM And we'll get things started. And Natalie Harper is gonna give us a pledge. Uh. 00:00:30
Pledge of Allegiance and an invocation. All right, pledge first. All right, let's do that. 00:00:37
United States of America. 00:00:43
And the public which you stand. 00:00:47
One nation under God, indivisible liberty and justice for all. 00:00:49
That's great. 00:00:56
Father, we thank you for your goodness to us. We thank you for this evening and for every minute and hour that you give us. 00:00:58
Yeah. So this would be a productive time. 00:01:04
Where we are thoughtful and mindful of our present and our future and the gift that it is to us and that we would be umm. 00:01:07
Thoughtful as well and kind in our remarks and give us with them. And we ask all these things in Jesus name, Amen. 00:01:14
You, Natalie. 00:01:23
All right, we'll move to public comments. David, you got anything for us? 00:01:24
Mm-hmm. 00:01:28
Umm, I I really still have some questions. 00:01:30
So David Luray resident. 00:01:35
So I've. 00:01:38
I, I've heard rumors that we're, uh, having discussions. 00:01:39
Umm about the umm. 00:01:43
Part 2 of the Homesteads Development. 00:01:46
OK, umm, the city is having discussions with them and about they like to change the zoning for that area and what it's currently 00:01:48
is, which is uh. 00:01:52
R1-8. 00:01:56
To, uh, something to allow a little more density like. 00:01:58
I use like the book kind of out there right now next to it pod in pod one, which one is pod 2 again? It's this the field, uh, 00:02:02
between the school and the first cul-de-sac. Yeah, this this South of school. OK, yeah. And and it and it ends with the cul-de-sac 00:02:08
first cul-de-sac on off the whole way Rd. on the whoa, each side of the holy, holy Rd. OK. 00:02:14
So that's umm anyway. And. And so there's a. 00:02:21
And I was talking about a list of all the wonderful things that. 00:02:25
The, uh, developer is going to give us. 00:02:28
Like I'm gonna get the 10 foot wide trail. Umm, you know, down there, you know. And so to connect, uh, go long hallway Rd. then 00:02:30
connect over to the sports bar. 00:02:34
And they were going to give us, uh, no additional entrances on the Hallway Rd. 00:02:38
And a couple things like that. And though, and if I looked, I went back and got my match from, from, uh, 2017 from there when they 00:02:43
were we talked about that last. 00:02:48
Here at this meeting. 00:02:52
And they, umm, those were already on the table. We already have those. There's, there's not like he's giving us anything new for 00:02:54
that. 00:02:57
So I just want to say that if by chance you all get to be involved in. 00:03:01
Any discussions about that? Would you please keep in mind that umm. 00:03:05
That that, uh. 00:03:08
The what that that those are new offerings. 00:03:10
He is asking for something more. 00:03:12
Giving us the same thing. 00:03:14
And so if he really, really wants to do that badly and the city really feels the necessity makes a higher density. 00:03:16
Umm. 00:03:22
I would not be in favor of that personally, but uh, if that's the case then please make sure you're getting something good from 00:03:24
him return. 00:03:28
So, uh, that's, that's number one, number two. 00:03:32
About the same same issue. 00:03:35
Umm, well, some reasons. Because some reasons for for considering not going to higher density. 00:03:37
Umm, there is that we've umm, in the city. We're doing a lot with high density already and the idea is. 00:03:43
The idea he's selling as as I understand it, is that these make great start better starter homes right now. 00:03:48
Uh, single family dwelling is O is out of reach of most uh people starting out. 00:03:54
Umm, I see, that's a good point. 00:03:59
Umm, however. 00:04:01
If we do, uh, do do that, then we'll, we'll be making even more, uh. 00:04:03
You know, then it'll be more higher than ever everywhere else and we'll have more. 00:04:09
Starter home and more people just starting out. 00:04:12
Who will financially not be as able to contribute other ways to the city? 00:04:15
Umm, you know, we are. We're also compared to, uh, Cottonwood Heights because we have similar sizes. 00:04:19
But the difference there is that that is that, uh, they have a lot more business. So they have their tax base there and that and 00:04:26
also they have the. 00:04:29
Also, there are a lot more. 00:04:32
We we because nowadays $1,000,000 homes, I mean any, anything. 00:04:34
Bigger than the. 00:04:38
3rd of an acre with a big house is $1,000,000 anymore. 00:04:39
So, uh, they have a lot more of those and so they have a lot more people who are further along in the, in the, in their path 00:04:42
through life and, and probably that are able to support things like the latest 5K run or. 00:04:47
The, uh, can our sponsoring part of the booth, Palooza and things like that. 00:04:53
Uh, and so we don't have a lot of that in our city, if you think about it, we have the lake fronts, umm. 00:04:58
And we have the. 00:05:03
So, so the the shore, that's that's why the shores and the Hamptons. 00:05:05
And we have a sleepy Ridge and. 00:05:08
Maybe a few other houses scattered throughout, Uh. 00:05:11
But not a real solid development of. 00:05:14
Of higher end homes. 00:05:17
And so we really don't, uh, so if we end up catering to lots and lots and lots. 00:05:18
Of starter homes, I mean, at one-on-one hand that's nice to give people a product to move into. The other hand, we're limiting our 00:05:23
our ability as a city to be able to fund ourselves. 00:05:28
And and you know, because all because all those folks will be more than paying properties actually less overall. 00:05:33
And so we, we, we. 00:05:39
We need to be careful that we're, besides growing our business base, we should be focusing on, we should also be making sure that 00:05:40
as our residential standpoint, our property tax base doesn't get, you know, uh. 00:05:46
Washed out or diluted? 00:05:52
Now, so give me give me a good balance there would be good. So those are some arguments I would I would leave you in in favor of 00:05:54
keeping it as is. 00:05:58
Umm, the R18 is still a pretty, uh, high. It's a medium density. It's just. 00:06:02
Barely medium density from from high density. Umm, it's, uh, and. 00:06:08
You know, a 600 square 606,000 foot square foot. 00:06:12
A lot is somewhere between the 7th and the 8th of an acre. 00:06:16
It's just, uh. 00:06:20
This tiny. 00:06:21
And I mean, they'll, they'll, they'll, they won't have much bondable if they build a house on that, you know? 00:06:22
So I, I, it really is, umm, it is pretty high density already and I think that we need more of that kind of product as well for 00:06:27
our city. 00:06:31
So those are my comments. Thank you. Thank you, David. 00:06:36
Mm-hmm. Uh, I haven't heard anything about this. I can, I can, uh, speak up a little bit on this. 00:06:39
Umm, we have a meeting with Michaelson with Homework Center Construction on UMM possibly looking at changes to POD 2. UMM, can't 00:06:43
quite get into the details, but uh, probably January or February or next year. 00:06:49
Umm, they'll be approaching the the Planning Commission and City Council for an amendment to their development agreement. 00:06:54
Umm, and at that point we can then, umm, work more with the public to see kind of what, what concerns people may have, like what, 00:07:00
what David shared. Umm, and then, you know, essentially it's up to the Planning Commission and, and City Council on approval on, 00:07:05
on whatever happens with their plan. 00:07:09
All right, but but nothing is is really public right now. They have not committed any application or anything like that as of 00:07:14
right now. OK. And the way I remember it as well, I remember the same way David is the. 00:07:19
That umm, path is included in the current plans, like they have to complete the path that I, I, I actually haven't seen the 00:07:24
original path. Even you know, you've been here longer than me, but you're probably right. And then that is there umm, but they 00:07:29
have talked about a few other things. 00:07:34
Umm, some included open space and possibly like cemetery land. 00:07:39
We'll, we'll make sure when we when we have this question and Planning Commission. 00:08:09
Umm, that we can show you kind of their original plan, like this is what was approved in 2017. This is what they're wanting to 00:08:13
change to just to make sure you're comparing apples to apples and then. 00:08:18
That's if or when it comes right, And that's right. And al also if there's umm. 00:08:23
I would like to know like where we are on our density requirements to know what sort of leverage we have to your point data like 00:08:28
where can we? 00:08:31
So the state of Utah will never be done enough. 00:08:35
For hitting anything if we're if we're sure I'd like to know that if you have that just so we can yeah, yeah, we could just go 00:08:39
over like our modern income household conversation will continue to arrive. So I would like to know that marker and to know. 00:08:46
What levers we have to pull to keep the density low? Yeah. And I imagine I like to catch this thing. There will be a work session 00:08:54
1st and then. Yeah. Yeah, it it won't, it won't be a quick, you know, 5 minute presentation and then we'll demand that you give us 00:09:00
a vote. OK. We'll make sure you have a full analysis on the staff side. 00:09:06
Umm, that you can, you know, make a full determination on on your recommendation to the City Council and one more point really 00:09:12
quick was all right, but we haven't left that. 00:09:16
Uh, comment period, yeah. So one more and, and that's the, the symmetry offering as I understand this 2 acres offering. Umm, I was 00:09:20
looking at at the homesteads, uh. 00:09:25
Oh, all the Hostess boundaries is. 00:09:31
Umm, you have to be careful to make sure that 2 acres aligns with uh. 00:09:33
Uh, some Parkland or something on the uh, in the hallway farms. 00:09:38
Development area so that we actually could make the cemetery out of it. 00:09:43
Uh, it it just. 00:09:46
I understand they're like 5 acres. 00:09:48
Yeah, that, that'll all be it. It's hard to say what this is without having to plan in front of the hard line there. Just make 00:09:50
sure that they line up. Otherwise you, you know, yeah, we'll, we'll make sure that one, you know, once this plan is ready for the, 00:09:55
the Planning Commission in the public that, that we've kind of gone through that. 00:10:01
And then once again, you know, if there are things that, that we met, we're, we're more than happy to, to give public feedback 00:10:07
and, and work with the developer on, on any changes. 00:10:11
Umm, that you can necessary if they do want to approve. Yeah, so cool. 00:10:15
Cool. Thanks, Kevin. 00:10:21
Uh, well, I won't be on the Planning Commission when that happens. I'll, I'll be here for sure. 00:10:22
Uh, thanks David. 00:10:28
Uh, moving to the consent items approval for the November 6th, 2024 Planning Commission meeting minutes. 00:10:31
I have a motion on that. 00:10:39
A motion. 00:10:42
10 seconds. 00:10:44
Yeah, Bon Favor. 00:10:45
All right, moving a business item 4.2 uh, should we put off the calendar until? 00:10:47
We have more people. Can we have people that are? Yeah. I mean, I don't know if we need an official. 00:10:53
Umm, motion, but I, I think we're actually sadly both of these items. It makes a lot more sense. I mean, it would be helpful to 00:10:59
have the calendar approved before the new year just so we know what and and there if you look at the staff where there's no. 00:11:05
I don't think there's anything taken off except for January 1st, 2nd, 1st. 00:11:11
Umm, so does the you know, the standard person there Wednesday of the month, except for that first meeting in January, which is a 00:11:16
combined planning session City Council meeting. 00:11:20
Umm. 00:11:25
I have a question, yeah actually umm. So I'm about to start umm a busy or travel season for my job. Is it possible for me to to do 00:11:26
a zoom? 00:11:31
And for these, if I'm not, yeah, we have been able to set up for electronic connection before. I'll I'll have to talk with him on 00:11:36
how that works and if, if you're connected online, if that. 00:11:41
If you can be like a sitting member or if. 00:11:47
You can't, but I'll, I'll talk to him and figure that out. Umm. 00:11:50
I think we should be OK unless you want to maybe umm. 00:11:53
Do a modified calendar. Just I I don't know the like legal process here Umm. 00:11:59
On saying that, the first meeting will be held and the calendar can be determined on January 8. 00:12:03
Umm, that would be the first meeting that we're closing and then from there, hopefully more members of the Commission are here 00:12:09
and. 00:12:12
You can vote on a full calendar at that meeting. 00:12:15
Perfect. I believe January 8th is actually a City Council meeting that we're doing an ombudsman training. It's it's a combined 00:12:18
Planning Commission City Council meeting. So we we did include it on the calendar. But I'm saying if we just say this calendar can 00:12:25
be approved or will be reviewed and approved on January 8th at a Planning Commission meeting, I think that should be OK. Fine. 00:12:31
OK, when? 00:12:39
Sorry, no, go ahead, couple. 00:12:40
Uh, business questions? Umm. 00:12:42
Do we have nominations or appointees? Umm. 00:12:45
At the start of the new year for the Planning Commission, Yeah. So we, we don't have any as of right now. The the mayor may choose 00:12:47
to and the council may choose to do that on the 8. 00:12:51
Umm, sometimes it does take them a little bit longer to. 00:12:56
Umm, go through that process. 00:13:00
Umm, I know that that they are aware that that prices umm retiring umm and that will need a a new. 00:13:02
Commission Member. 00:13:09
Umm. 00:13:10
What I would. 00:13:12
I'd like to make a motion that we adopt the calendar. 00:13:14
Umm, just approving the. 00:13:18
Meetings of the 8th and the 15th. 00:13:20
Because I feel like some of these business items would be more appropriate on the 15th when meeting as just us rather than also 00:13:23
with the account. That'd be fine too. Helpful setting. 00:13:27
Uh, I don't really wanna necessarily rain on their parade with. 00:13:32
Some of our day-to-day business stuff, I think that's more appropriate for the 15th. OK, So, uh, that has made a motion to delay 00:13:35
item 4.2 until the uh 15th meeting, but also approving, uh. 00:13:41
The meetings for January 8th and January 15th. 00:13:48
Can I drive a second? 00:13:52
Second, all in favor, all right. 00:13:53
All right, then item 4.3, uh, before we delay this, make a motion to delay this. 00:13:55
I would like to put in that I think the name would make a great Planning Commission there. He's very, he's very level headed. I 00:14:01
really appreciate having him on the, uh, Planning Commission. And so while we're not taking that now, I just want it on the 00:14:06
record. 00:14:12
A great chair. 00:14:19
Umm, I moved the house. Umm, this pushed to another date. Alright, well alright. No, it's all good. Uh, do you want to move it to 00:14:21
the 15th also? 00:14:27
Umm, I I think that would be a more appropriate time because that's when we'll have a more full body, OK. 00:14:33
Umm, but I wanna get both of your opinions. 00:14:39
I I think that would be. I think that makes sense too. 00:14:42
Yeah, I think so. It's just the three of us and and you're moving off. Umm, we wanna give other. 00:14:45
People and opportunity they want to. 00:14:51
Alright, do I have a second? 00:14:54
One second, all in favor. All right, all right. That's being moved. 00:14:55
Umm, and we'll move right into the work session for the 2024 zoning text amendment. Oh. 00:14:59
Cash, You got this or Anthony? Yeah, this is gonna be me, OK. 00:15:06
We're trying something new here, even. 00:15:09
All right, that's for presentation so I can take note. 00:15:12
Umm, yeah, just as a quick refresher in the past. 00:15:15
Do you find a question meetings? We've been kind of going over some updates we're making to the the plan or to the zoning code. 00:15:18
There should hopefully be the last work session, umm after this one we will eventually made all the changes that you guys have 00:15:23
requested. 00:15:27
For the previous meetings and then we, umm, can do one last meeting where we just review every single thing, every other change 00:15:31
and then essentially that needs a recommendation and that will go to City Council for approval and, and we'll work with them from 00:15:35
that point on. 00:15:39
Umm so this is the last section it did look like if you look through the the notes here and also I need to note that I did not 00:15:44
include the presentation. 00:15:48
Because I got it finished at like 5:50 today. Umm. 00:15:52
But I essentially. 00:15:55
Uh, the Word document that was, umm, with this. 00:15:57
Umm, staff report is everything in that presentation. I just have it. 00:16:00
In a different umm. 00:16:04
And then we'll both all the time. 00:16:06
Umm, anyway. 00:16:08
Umm, I'll just go through these. 00:16:10
Oh sure, uh, there is paper copies over there even if you do want. 00:16:12
The slide, yeah, if you want to look at that, that's true. 00:16:17
Take a copy Umm, so the slide show I just condensed most of of what you'll see in the paper copy umm, just to make it a little bit 00:16:21
easier to read. Umm, and I'll go through each section. Feel free to stop me anytime if you do have questions or you, you have 00:16:25
other changes that that you see. 00:16:30
Umm for the first section 1502 which is title, authority, purpose and declaration of intent and effective date. 00:16:35
Umm, we just, we add a title. So everywhere you'll see in green applications, building structures, applicability, minimum 00:16:41
requirements. 00:16:45
Those are all added and then we just cleaned up some language. Umm. 00:16:49
Umm, that was we we thought was confusing or archaic. A lot of this total. 00:16:53
Originally adopted with the very first joint code in like 2014 or something like that. 00:16:57
Umm, a lot of it was just copy and paste it from other jurisdictions. So we just wanted to clean it up, umm, as much as possible. 00:17:01
Umm. 00:17:08
Let's see. 00:17:11
Hold on. 00:17:15
1506 land use authorities and officers. So this is one that probably there might be some more conversation to be had on it. 00:17:17
Umm, right now our our code does require that we stagger the appointments of Planning Commission members so that not more than 00:17:24
one, umm, renewal is. 00:17:28
UMM members terms are to be staggered so that no more than one term shall expire each year when you have 8 Commission members. 00:17:33
Technically impossible to accomplish. We've looked at other cities. I talked to Pam about this and he thought that 3 was an 00:17:41
appropriate number. That's actually, we have a few right now. They're that way. So we just wanna make sure we are meeting our 00:17:46
code. And so that's why we're, umm, suggesting to change it to three appointments. 00:17:50
Umm, instead of one term. 00:17:56
UMM can expire at the end of each year. 00:17:58
Do you have any comments on that? 00:18:01
OK, just before we keep going. Umm. 00:18:04
The record. 00:18:07
The city attorney has reviewed. No, no, no. So yeah, that'll be essentially the next step is once we've gotten all the comments 00:18:08
from you, we will send it to him and he'll make sure that we're meeting state code and all that. And then it'll be a business item 00:18:14
which will go down. Correct. Yes. This, this is just the work session just to talk And and yeah, we asked you to do some things 00:18:19
last time. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. 00:18:25
Umm, the next section is about the a a quorum. So quorum is is having three members here. Umm, and right now the the wording in 00:18:30
this makes it. 00:18:34
Makes it seem like. 00:18:39
Umm, a vote requires the majority of the Planning Commission, which would actually be. 00:18:41
Four to five people, umm. 00:18:47
Umm, because of Planning Commission is made-up of eight people. Umm. 00:18:49
And so we just added language to to sitting present members of the Planning Commission and that way, you know, if there's three of 00:18:52
you here just requires that majority to to vote. 00:18:56
Umm, Commission organization we included. 00:19:01
No, it's. 00:19:06
It's still have to be 3, wouldn't it let me? All actions of the Commission shall require the vote of a majority of the total 00:19:07
sitting present members of the Commission. Oh. 00:19:12
So up to three of us here, 2 if I need to be OK with it, that's the majority of who is there. 00:19:17
I personally feel that it should be the majority of the total, regardless who's president of the Commission, not including the 00:19:22
alternate. So we could do you want me to change it to that of the Commission not including the alternative? Yeah. I don't wanna 00:19:28
speak to. I wanted to at least be three. OK. Yeah. Umm. 00:19:33
We could say with the minimum, we could say of a minimum that makes sense majority of. 00:19:39
Yeah, whatever. I'll, I'll, I'll work another way to word it, however I would like to hear. 00:19:46
But the argument for this would be because it seemed right away we're all like we must go. Was there a reason? Yeah. And and that 00:19:51
would be technically tonight if you had a site plan before you. 00:19:55
You could not vote to approve it. 00:20:00
With even though you have three of us, you have a form here and if we had a minimum thing, you need to have four people voting. 00:20:02
OK. 00:20:10
Which is fine. I don't think we've ever had an issue where. So what do you think? There's a minimum of three. Yeah. So even if we 00:20:11
have stuff come forward, I don't think that there are issues. And if there are, if they are controversial enough that somebody's 00:20:17
voting no, then I think that we should have more. OK. OK. 00:20:23
Sorry, can you speak into the mic there? Are you OK if I just sure? Yeah, Yep. Thanks. 00:20:31
The point of clear as long as you do that for everyone. 00:20:35
So you're saying that we have umm? 00:20:39
You'd have to have four or five to make a majority, but 5 sitting council members, anyone time right Commission members at one 00:20:42
time, we alter it. Go ahead. So the majority of the five, it was the I guess I'll work on this language. So that doesn't a vote 00:20:47
requires at least three people and that three people have to win a permanent. So in this case, the pipeline was here tonight. We 00:20:53
wouldn't have to postpone that because we don't we we do have a quantum, but we don't have a majority of the total Commission, 00:20:59
which is 8 people. 00:21:05
And so we would still allow that vote to take place, but it has to be a unanimous vote among the three sitting members, even even 00:21:11
if one of the people up here was an alternate. 00:21:15
So it the way I, the way I see it, and we'll need to talk to Jamie about legality of it if there were two sitting members and then 00:21:20
I'll send it up here. And it was, you know, the mess among the three. The alternate would be at that time a sitting member. Yeah. 00:21:26
Yeah. When an alternate is sitting up here, they are considered a member of the Planning Commission. 00:21:31
Yeah. So maybe just to say. 00:21:37
Three. A minimum of three. 00:21:40
But I'll let you figure that out, OK? Yeah, I'll, I'll work on that language and bring it back. I think before bringing it back, 00:21:45
that is one worth sharing with the city attorney because we need to know what applicant rights there are and that we aren't being 00:21:49
overly burdensome. 00:21:53
With some of our rules. 00:21:57
Yeah. 00:21:58
I mean, even if with different City Council has only three council members and the City Council meeting, it has to be unanimous 00:22:00
when they pass it. Yeah, Yeah. So we'll try to just make it equal to what the City Council minimums are. Yeah. 00:22:06
OK umm Commission organization umm this just allows for the the Commission to umm elect a chair for them in case the chair can't 00:22:13
vice chair are gone. 00:22:17
Right now there's really no language to outline the process for that. 00:22:22
Umm, so you just wanted to include that? 00:22:26
Umm. Then you're, uh, the development. 00:22:29
Let's see. Oh, the DRC. We're finally getting this in here. I was just gonna call you over. You're overdue. Umm. 00:22:32
But it the the DRC membership right now essentially allows everybody to have a designee except for the Planning Commission chair. 00:22:39
And we are now adding that language into the planning question, Chair. 00:22:46
Umm, the next one. Super simple. Umm, just an establishment of districts. Let's just give a brief summary of what every district 00:22:53
is the RMU RC. 00:22:58
Umm, the GRMU was missing the road so we just include that. This is the definition straight from the DRU code language. No changes 00:23:04
or anything like that to it. 00:23:09
I did have a quick question on the zoning map. This was an issue that was brought up when the. 00:23:14
All right, pump, hold away farm, OK. 00:23:19
And the map has different coloring for different zoning. 00:23:23
Do we wanna define the zoning for future developments? Because they're still. 00:23:26
Zoning on the map that is low density. 00:23:32
But uh, so, oh, so you're saying like of of this density equals this many years per acre? Yeah. 00:23:35
Umm, I I can talk to I I know exactly what you're talking about where people were saying this is high density when it's. 00:23:43
Other people were saying this is actually low density and it's like we called it low medium density because we don't have any 00:23:49
definitions. The So it was zoned as low density and the developer came in with a plan that eventually got approved by the City 00:23:54
Council but denied by the Planning Commission. 00:23:59
That, uh, has a greater density than all of our medium density in the city. 00:24:04
And they said that it was low density because of some. 00:24:10
Yeah, yeah, some arbitrary. They thought that. 00:24:13
And we didn't have a way to like have teeth in that, in that way. Super annoying. OK, yeah, I can include that in the the 00:24:17
definitions of for each zone, kind of. 00:24:21
What and, and I, I, I do remember having this conversation with, with Morgan when this whole thing came about. And I, I do 00:24:26
remember him pushing back for some reason. I don't remember what that is, but I'll, I'll try to figure that out and bring that. 00:24:32
It's one way or another. Umm, back to you guys, OK? Umm. 00:24:38
The OK, yeah, this is the, the zoning map, umm, we just talked about like uncertainty, uncertainty regarding boundaries of various 00:24:44
zones. So if you look at the zoning map, it just kind of has a, a line going down in different areas generally that that's along 00:24:49
lot lines. 00:24:53
Umm, but there are a few. Like for example, we're doing a pipeline right now for the eldest church along to the road where they 00:24:58
have one lot that is put into two different zones. 00:25:02
And so this language here just umm. 00:25:07
Helps us simplify exactly how we determine which zone to rule that property as. 00:25:09
Umm. 00:25:14
And it. 00:25:16
We, we did have that language in there before, umm, if you'll notice on the paper copy, everything in red sticking out is what was 00:25:17
in there. We just tried to make that language a little bit easier to understand. 00:25:22
Umm, the next one. This is probably a little bit more more complicated, the district use table. I tried to provide a a brief 00:25:29
summary up at the top of everything we did, but if you look at our previous, our current. 00:25:35
Umm, district ease table. It's pretty ugly. 00:25:41
Umm. It's really hard to to find anything. Umm. 00:25:44
Umm. And so actually, Madison spent. 00:25:46
Countless hours redrawing a new table and putting it up, and then we'll have a residential category, a commercial category, and a, 00:25:49
uh, public. 00:25:54
I I only include those two in a paper copy actually, but we just split it up rather than having one long table. It just makes it 00:25:59
easier to read. And then here are a few changes that we are making to it or suggesting that we make to it. 00:26:05
Umm changing the short term rental from not permitted to permitted. 00:26:11
Umm, as we've discussed in the past about umm, short term rentals, I think the first one of these umm work sessions that we did 00:26:15
kind of creating the standards unfortunately. 00:26:20
Umm, and we'll come back to that once again, umm, But right now it's just not permitted across the board. Right now we're changing 00:26:25
to permitted, but with the subscript note thing, it has to follow the standards that we are working on getting approved. Umm. 00:26:31
Umm and that's only in the single family home neighborhoods I believe, and maybe the RMU. 00:26:38
Umm, then, uh, we added check cashing and other credit services. Umm, I know there's been some talk online about the city creating 00:26:44
its own or allowing this type of use. 00:26:50
Umm, but I did just want to reiterate that if we don't outline specific standards for different uses. 00:26:56
Then we have to essentially use like this check cashing place wanted to come in, we would have to rule and just say this is a 00:27:02
financial institution and it is governed by that standard, which is pretty low by creating standards for something like this. 00:27:09
We can now put on some more requirements. So, and I think we went over those in the past of kind of having the distance 00:27:17
requirements, total number of businesses we're allowing umm, so we're including that in the table. 00:27:22
Umm, we are changing car wash from permitted to conditional in the army. 00:27:28
Umm, we've had a lot of drama about car washes in the past. We didn't wanna just put in more kinda barriers there. 00:27:33
Umm and so that would actually I believe they are only permitted now in the manufacturing of the FY zone, umm and the rest is 00:27:38
conditional in any of our like commercial uh zones. 00:27:44
Umm Event Center, we changed that from not permitted to conditional in the regional commercial. 00:27:50
Uh, we added the mobile food court only being conditional in the RMU. 00:27:56
Umm, we added re retail tobacco specialty business. So once again similar to that check cashing, we just we want to create 00:28:01
standards for this and so. 00:28:05
It's a conditional in the regional commercial. 00:28:10
And then establish or attach to establishment, umm, we included on here because that wasn't anywhere and that is permitted in in 00:28:13
most of our commercial zones, RMU, Gru, FMU, RC and NC. 00:28:18
So if that, are there any? 00:28:24
Yeah, umm, I have. I see no issues with the actual substance at the table and what we discussed. I feel like it's consistent. 00:28:26
The only umm. 00:28:33
Suggestion I have with formatting of the table. 00:28:35
Is that the zoning district uses heading is only at the beginning of the table. 00:28:38
And when it's on multiple pages sometimes I get lost. 00:28:44
So that is what we could format that when it's actually published. 00:28:48
That is a problem with technology. So to make a Long story short, we pay for uniscribed. 00:28:52
Umm, I think you can describe that on Actually, I forgot the name of the Unicode Unicode. Thank you. Umm, Unicode. And they have 00:28:58
two different softwares. We use this one as a self-publishing software and the tables that we're allowed to use are very 00:29:06
restrictive. One method that we could do is every and every five rows. We could just include the zoning. 00:29:13
So that it would be there so it's easy to follow so. 00:29:20
But there's no way out with the notes. Was it uploaded? 00:29:24
As a Word document. 00:29:29
I believe this is. If it's in the future, is just uploaded as APDF, that would resolve that issue. 00:29:31
Umm, but you can correct me if I'm wrong. 00:29:36
So it's usually created in the software on the on the. 00:29:41
You know, on the website itself. So you can't. 00:29:45
Created in Word and just copy it inside. 00:29:47
You can place it as a picture and it won't be clear enough. 00:29:50
To work with. 00:29:54
The file December 18th PC note. 00:29:55
What's created within the system? Yeah. 00:29:59
Yeah, we don't software like I said, it has so many. 00:30:03
And it is for the most part but the table. 00:30:06
Feature on it is the most frustrating thing in the world. I think Madison probably recreated this table two or three times because 00:30:09
of the issues it had. And yeah, it was created in here. And then I took screenshots of it and created the note document that 00:30:15
you're looking at. Like I said, substance wise, I don't see an issue with it. I just wanna make sure when it is published in the 00:30:20
actual municipal code that is formatted in a friendly way, if that means you need to have some ribbons throughout it to remind us 00:30:26
what the heck we're looking at. 00:30:32
Then maybe that's how we do it. Umm, I just ask that you please consider that it's not Yeah, so I'll just user friendly. So yeah, 00:30:38
I'll show you. So this is like I said, this is the updated table, what it looks like. 00:30:43
Where we did put it and that that's the reason we just put it for now residential. 00:30:49
It's a little easier to read. 00:30:53
Umm, let me show you the Yeah, so original. Yeah, just the zoning district uses every. 00:30:55
Yeah, yeah. So every, Yeah. So right now, like for example, if you wanted to find out motor vehicle fueling station and the RMU, 00:31:01
you're then scrolling up here and then you have to go down here. You moved a little to the left or right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Every 00:31:08
10 or so. Alright, I'll have Madison do that. Take her a few hours. 00:31:14
Thank you. 00:31:21
OK, let me. 00:31:23
Go back to this. 00:31:24
OK anything else with the the district use table? 00:31:35
OK, if not I can continue. 00:31:42
OK. 00:31:45
Umm. 00:31:47
Oh, uh, one of the a few other things. This is not in the the paper copies. These are the things I. 00:31:48
Umm, and that would be changing sports course right now in residential zone. If you want to put it back before in your backyard 00:31:53
right now, you have to you're supposed to get a conditional use permit. 00:31:59
There's plenty of sports, sports and vineyards and I don't think we see anything with conditional use permit for them. 00:32:04
And so, you know, that's either we need to do better about catching that. 00:32:09
Or we just change it permitted and require that they meet our standards about fencing that they can only put up, you know, a 10 00:32:13
foot tile fence around it or whatnot. 00:32:17
Umm, so that that's really up to you guys on on what you think is the best route to go on that whether we. 00:32:21
Just trying to catch these courses, they get bored or because I, I don't even get to go through a building permit right now. So 00:32:27
it's really hard for us to even catch that in my home neighborhood. I, I, yeah, I don't think she was having it being permitted. 00:32:33
Umm, my only one is we need to. 00:32:39
There's people that are putting up like systems that are clear violations of the light code. And so it's just things. Be aware of 00:32:42
that. Yeah. And at that point. 00:32:46
And if people are doing electrical I believe, and the team might know this, would that require a building current they are putting 00:32:50
in like permanent lighting? 00:32:54
So we should catch that at that stage. 00:32:58
I get that some people still might do some work themselves and don't get a permit, but in that state we should catch it. 00:33:01
And and that's also another thing, if you do see it and it is having currency of a bright light shining into your window, let us 00:33:07
know and we'll we'll do what we can enforce it. 00:33:11
Umm, and then the other thing is we, we simplified the garage, detached garage language. Umm, it was just a really giant section 00:33:17
of the, the district use table. 00:33:22
And we just changed it to I think permitted with a subscription review. The code below just make the the table look better. 00:33:27
OK, development agreement. 00:33:36
Umm, we mostly just simplified language here. Umm. As you'll see in the the paper copy, everything in the wrap we're taking out 00:33:38
bringing is all new. 00:33:42
Umm And then the second section there says that that every development agreement is supposed to be reviewed by the City Council 00:33:46
every year. 00:33:50
And once again, I don't think that. 00:33:55
So what happens often enough? And so we added some language that says the council or staff. 00:33:57
Child review a development agreement and then if staff doesn't, they need to provide a report to the City Council on if they are 00:34:04
meeting those obligations from the development agreement. So for example, right now with uh, Holdaway Field. 00:34:10
Starting to develop a lot. Anthony's been going through their development agreement and saying, you know, when are we gonna get 00:34:16
our 400 S Rd. connection? 00:34:20
Are we making sure that they're up to date on their landscaping and all that and so. 00:34:23
Umm, this just allows staff to do that. Report to the the umm. 00:34:28
City Council? Umm, just because that's a lot more likely to get done than just the council receiving every development agreement. 00:34:32
I don't even thought they're on that. 00:34:39
That makes sense, So. 00:34:41
Yeah, in the past, whenever I see stuff like this municipal code, you can usually tie that to. 00:34:43
Years ago a certain development agreement got approved that members of the council that I really don't wanna approve this. And 00:34:49
they said, well, what have we reviewed every year? Oh, OK. Yeah, that's usually where this is coming from. And if this was 00:34:54
inherited from another community. 00:34:58
Cool. Umm. I'm interested to see the origin of this particular one for Vineyard inherited from Provo. 00:35:03
Or and Provo had a weird one. Or if this was something from a few years ago that. 00:35:10
About a development agreement that we're concerned about. 00:35:15
But I. 00:35:18
Yeah, yeah, staff do it and then. 00:35:19
Write up a summary every 12 months that can be on consent calendar unless there's something worth waiting. I wonder the last time 00:35:23
that the development agreement for the Homestead was reviewed. Great question. Well, we're about to go ahead and ask you. 00:35:30
20 years ago. 00:35:37
I'm curious so and and that would be good if it is in here, it would help create a practice in our department because right now if 00:35:39
it's up to the council to review it then. 00:35:43
You know, it's just not gonna happen. But right now if we do say for staff, that would then kind of create a mandate for us to do 00:35:49
it and it would be kind of put on a yearly thing for us to provide for the council. Yeah. As far as single family housing, they're 00:35:53
the only ones. 00:35:58
Well, except for, I guess holdaway fields now that are still building and they've still got quite a lot left. Yeah, I think it 00:36:03
could be wise to review that. 00:36:07
Yeah, maybe when we're reviewing this Part 2, we could look back at the whole development agreement as well, just to make sure. 00:36:12
Yeah, Mm-hmm. 00:36:19
Cool. 00:36:22
OK, uh. 00:36:23
Umm. 00:36:24
OK, yeah, uh, permanent uses this essentially, umm, it it just was a little confusing at the beginning because it, it sounds like 00:36:27
that the plan or the city planner gets to review and render a final decision for every, uh. 00:36:34
Permitted use application that comes into the city Umm. 00:36:40
Umm and I I just wanted to create some language to differentiate. 00:36:43
What the Planning Commission approves versus what the city planner approved. 00:36:46
So for example like a building or if a business wants to move into an already existing structure. 00:36:50
That is something the planning department can review. We say, oh, this is a permitted use. 00:36:56
They're allowed to to move into here, but if it's a site plan, of course the site plan, we want the Planning Commission to to look 00:36:59
at it. Same thing single family home finding. 00:37:03
Or the the planner does approve that, not the Planning Commission. So we just wanted to create that language in there. Umm, and 00:37:07
most of this is redundant in the site planning umm section as well, just differentiating the the two. 00:37:13
Umm, then approval standards. We were removed from redundant language. It was just. 00:37:19
You know, essentially laid out everything that we review. Umm, but it's also like. 00:37:26
Every site plan needs to comply with the requirements of the zoning district and then it includes all these different things like. 00:37:31
The just different standards height set back all that, but that's something that's just in the zoning standards. So we thought 00:37:37
that language is was not necessary. 00:37:41
Umm, conditional uses. 00:37:46
Umm, this one. We did uh, include a section here saying the title report and survey of the subject property may be required by the 00:37:47
city planner. Right now, umm, it is just required. 00:37:53
Umm, I don't know what your thoughts are on that there. There's a lot of benefits to having the title report, but we felt that 00:37:59
there might be some cases where a conditional use is is. 00:38:03
Report or conditional use. 00:38:08
Umm permit is required. 00:38:10
And we still title report might not. 00:38:12
Proved to to be a benefit to to the planning question or staff. 00:38:15
Umm, and in that case, we could, you know, waive that requirement. 00:38:18
Umm, we're, we're fine keeping it as a requirement. If you do want, for example, if somebody wanted to do a home preschool, I 00:38:23
believe they need a. 00:38:26
Uh, conditional use permit. 00:38:29
And so that would be an example of. 00:38:31
Do we want to make them go through all this title work for the some preschool? 00:38:33
You know, umm, and that is something that that the city planner in in this new language could waive. 00:38:37
Umm, I, I was with you. So you gave that example. Absolutely. Do a title report for that because is that personal renter or the 00:38:43
owner? And are we OK with the owner knowing that they're running a preschool out of the house they're renting? So that's not 00:38:49
something that's why you run the time. Yeah, we, we do check that in the business pricing application. OK. 00:38:55
So we we do kind of have those measures in place. 00:39:02
But. 00:39:04
Like I said, it's, it's up to you guys if, if you do or if we do want to create kind of a standard of when we would raise that 00:39:05
requirement. Umm. 00:39:08
Umm. Anytime I see the word may I'm. 00:39:12
Followed up with a cool under what circumstance? That's just kind of my general. 00:39:17
Roll with most of these because when it says maybe if the city planner feels like it obviously is casual, but that's the risk. My 00:39:22
my thing, you guys are awesome city planners, but what about 5 years from now, 10 years from now, 20 years from now? 00:39:28
I want to make sure we're getting people accountable. Yeah, no, totally agree. So yeah, I'll, I'll look into that. And if, if I do 00:39:35
find special circumstances where I do think that would be adequate and I'll include them. If not, I'll just remove that. 00:39:41
That's only one opinion. 00:39:48
You haven't at least double that over here. I agree. Either that or like dig into. 00:39:50
Specifics of these are the ones that we wouldn't, OK. 00:39:57
Umm, are there any other ones besides like a? 00:40:02
Preschool. Are there any other examples of? 00:40:06
So I mean, for example, right now we are we're reviewing like a site plan application for a tire shop that's not near any kind of 00:40:09
residential. 00:40:13
Umm, that, that is a conditional use, so that would require a high report. Umm, and we will be I, I guess this could be a good 00:40:17
example. We are already getting a final report. They have to do a plat. So now we're gonna make them do it, possibly give you 00:40:21
another kind of report for this business. 00:40:26
So that might be a circumstance where it's like we don't really need to see this again. 00:40:32
Umm, but this would be another good one that would be good to run through our attorneys. He's the one who generally has a lot of 00:40:36
that's what I'm wondering if we can, if they've submitted a title report in the beginning, if that's not something we can just 00:40:41
that we have on record or that they would so well the the our requirements title reports. 00:40:46
I believe Anthony, yeah, they're only down for 30 days. And so say for example, they, they do the planning. 00:40:51
We get it approved and then 31 days later they go through the site plan with conditional use. 00:40:57
We now have an expired. 00:41:03
Got it. I have a report. 00:41:05
Or do we want to put that burden back on to them? 00:41:07
Totally get that, and that is obnoxious, so I appreciate doing something to be more uh. 00:41:10
So yeah, we'll we'll dig into this to make it not duplicative work, but it's like if it hasn't been. 00:41:14
Yeah, existing, right. Like if that hasn't happened before, I. 00:41:21
I'm with me. I'd like it to happen. Some language there, the survey also. 00:41:24
Yeah, love that it's in May there because. 00:41:30
Very few conditional use permit. 00:41:33
Really need an ultra survey? 00:41:35
I would love to avoid that because that's also just a. 00:41:38
It's a pretty expensive cost for the developer that nine times out of 10 you go OK cool. Umm only ask for things if we feel like 00:41:42
right if it would help. 00:41:48
Yeah, change a decision, right. And and maybe that's how we word it with. 00:41:54
Where? 00:41:58
May be required by the city planner if. 00:41:59
It is of substance in the hand or even just saying by the city planner at his discretion. 00:42:03
OK, Yeah, we'll we'll work on range and this like I said, I think it'd be another good one to run by our legal to make sure. OK, 00:42:09
yeah. And the same would apply for the section right underneath it when talking about traffic. Compassionate. Yeah, that that 00:42:14
length about that. 00:42:18
And I wanna make sure if there's a may there we have conditions online. 00:42:23
Yeah, and and this one, it was just the language in red was super confusing. If required by the commissioner, traffic impact now 00:42:28
will be required. 00:42:32
Umm so we just rephrase it, essentially saying it may be required if requested by the Planning Commission, VRC or city engineer. 00:42:37
So any one of our bodies could request it and in that case it is now required. Then I think we just get rid of the word wait. 00:42:44
May in that instance. 00:42:51
And this sort of thing, it may be required. So we'll be required, will be required to get requested. 00:42:53
OK, good catch. 00:43:00
Change my tooth. 00:43:02
Alright. 00:43:06
Umm, general property development standards. Umm removed language about flag lock. We don't have any standards in our city for 00:43:09
flag lock. 00:43:13
Umm, so this section right now is talking about drive or lo uh. 00:43:17
Uh, lock frontage requirements. 00:43:21
Umm, and where? We don't have any black box, we don't have black box standards. 00:43:23
It's not unnecessary to include this language unless you want to create a section specifically talking about backlog and how we 00:43:29
want to. 00:43:32
Umm, uh, you know, examine those. 00:43:35
Or what requirements you wanna put onto those? Is there any possibility that there could be a flag line I I mean I? 00:43:38
Yeah, always possible that that something could happen like that. Umm. 00:43:44
So, but I, I think and, and Rachel is the one who did this section, so she, she has a little bit more insight on, on why she 00:43:49
wanted to move that, umm, but I think it, it just comes down to we need to create a section on Flaglock. 00:43:55
Umm that have these standards in place rather than just say. 00:44:01
Right now this is saying we don't require driveway frontage requirements for flight law. Like let's create the standard rather 00:44:05
than just kind of. 00:44:08
Ignore it. Yeah. 00:44:12
Yeah, yeah. 00:44:14
Umm, the next one again, umm, it's talking about front yard parking prohibited. Umm, and it says that no vehicle parking shall be 00:44:15
permitted in any required front yard set back area except on driveways located in residential loans that directly accept. 00:44:22
Of garage or carport. 00:44:30
Umm. We felt that that umm. 00:44:31
We we already do have a requirement of where parking can be located in the front yard. And we thought that like this language was 00:44:33
first redundant, but also could be restrictive of additional parking if somebody wanted to put in a a concrete pad that given 00:44:38
access a. 00:44:42
Carport or driveway. So they wanted to have something just, you know, if they have an Adu or something like that. 00:44:47
Umm, so I'm gonna remove that language. 00:44:52
Umm, Clearview Triangle. This one we we've been having a lot of hard. 00:44:56
Hard times with lately UMM because of the graphics that we include in the zoning code is very confusing on where we actually 00:45:00
measure. So essentially the Clearview triangle of the the 12 foot line measured from the driveway to the street and then from the 00:45:04
driveway entrance. 00:45:08
Set either side and it creates a triangle of view protection triangle that we don't wanna see any senses. 00:45:13
Umm, any permit structures, anything like that in that area. But the way that the code is written right now, umm, makes it from 00:45:19
the curb line. And essentially by the time you get to the curb line to the driveway, you're already at like 10 feet or something 00:45:23
like that. And so it makes it useless. 00:45:28
And so we changed how we measure that, like how we measure the the umm. 00:45:33
The Clearview triangle and then we remove the graphic. 00:45:37
Umm, when we come back for approval we will probably have an updated graphic to to show this. Umm, just because they are helpful. 00:45:40
But in this case it did hurt us. 00:45:44
Umm. 00:45:49
So especially wrong units, this one UMM might might be a little bit more UMM 73 to to get through UMM. 00:45:51
So in our general plan, we actually do have this in here in our moderate income housing section, umm that we will up approve 00:45:58
mobile housing types intended for long term placement that adhere to our permanent foundation. 00:46:05
Umm, that's in our general plan. It's also in our moderate income housing report of things that we need to continually improve in 00:46:11
Adu. 00:46:15
Umm, so we thought that this was a good time to include it. 00:46:19
I have a question, what what constitutes does the mobile have? 00:46:22
Umm great question. Essentially you could get something like some a pre manufactured home and put that on a permanent foundation 00:46:26
but it would have to be fit within our detached. 00:46:32
Accessory structure code. 00:46:37
Umm. 00:46:40
So we're, we're trying to figure out the best way to, to do this without people thinking we're just allowing like a trailer park 00:46:41
to exist or like a shipping container. People have done that and like. 00:46:46
Like a house and shipping. Yeah, like, right. So we, we don't allow containers right now in the city, so that would prohibit that. 00:46:52
But umm. 00:46:55
Umm most this mostly is speaking to like pre manufactured homes. I I think that's where. 00:46:59
I get hung up is the term mobile housing but I think you might mean. 00:47:06
Modular prefab. Yes, prefab that's exactly Yeah, I I just. 00:47:10
Yeah, I I use the word mobile just because that was what is in our our general plan. 00:47:15
Umm, let me pull that up. Mobile would. 00:47:20
Umm, I think would contradict the rest of the the statement where I think it's adhered to a permanent foundation. 00:47:24
Them so on your mobile, we don't want to see mobile. 00:47:32
So umm, I don't know that most trailers aren't early either. If you say like a trailer park, a mobile home, but I I don't know 00:47:35
then we can dig into more specifics on what it looks like. 00:47:40
Is it really a modular home or is it a prepaid one? Because there's some really fantastic prefab homes that would even match. 00:47:45
As an accessory dwelling unit is very different than doing a. 00:47:52
Double wide yeah and, and maybe this is where we can include some sort of definition that could help us. Umm, I believe that we 00:47:56
got this language straight from the state, so the state, uh. 00:48:01
MMM uh, going back where you were asking about kind of where we're at with density in the state, essentially the state has a 00:48:06
moderate income housing report that we have to fill out every year that kind of talked about the state of the city and, and what 00:48:12
we're doing to encourage moderate income housing and one of those sections that we have to umm, that the city has chosen to. 00:48:18
Umm report on is our accessory dwelling unit. 00:48:25
And from there they kind of create a menu of different things that you can choose. And so this is something that was, uh. 00:48:27
Chosen by the the Planning Commission City Council, probably in 2022. 00:48:33
Is one of our strategies. 00:48:37
That we would adopt by the end of 2025 is to allow this mobile housing. 00:48:39
Umm, I can see if this did, if that language did come straight from the state. 00:48:44
My guess is it would be hard to change that if we want to qualify this under the modern income housing, if we did change it to be 00:48:48
more restrictive than what the state is. 00:48:53
Umm, but I can look into that. Oh, when when the City Council approved those things, did we not approve an extra 1? 00:48:58
Umm, we did, but we can no longer report. 00:49:06
On one of the goals. 00:49:08
I, I forget what, which one it is, but this year they essentially they gave us the approval on the moderate income happening and 00:49:11
said. 00:49:14
Starting this year, you can no longer report on this. 00:49:17
Uh, the call. 00:49:19
And it's it's not a fun report. I I wonder how we can get the definition of yeah, what exactly what mobile happiness that is 00:49:21
intended for long term placement that is here to affirm. Yeah. And and it's also who's who's determining what that is. Yeah. You 00:49:28
know, there, there's a lot of kind of Gray area in there I I think. 00:49:34
One of the. 00:49:42
Low hanging fruit to do it is out of Section 3 of Design standards. 00:49:44
To say absolutely, we allow mobile housing types as long as it. 00:49:48
OK, that's, that's a good idea. And the set design standards are the roof needs to match the primary building, deciding the 00:49:52
primary building. So if it's a mobile, it looks like a prefab. Yeah, yeah. OK. OK. Yeah, that's, that's a good idea. I'll, I'll 00:49:57
include that in there. 00:50:01
Umm. 00:50:08
Then license amount revocation we included this umm. 00:50:10
Umm, that if somebody does have an Adu license, but they do have. 00:50:14
Umm, zoning violation. This is a method that we can use to umm. 00:50:18
Help them come into compliance. Umm, this would be helpful. For example, if they do have if they're operating their home as a 00:50:23
duplex where they're renting out the top and basement that they have an active Adu license. 00:50:27
We can now revoke it. 00:50:32
Umm, we just want to have that language in there to back this up. 00:50:34
Umm, it has a lot of may again, just to talk with the attorney. Yeah, Yeah, OK. 00:50:39
When I see I I was involved in code enforcement once where? 00:50:47
This was. 00:50:51
In another city in another state, so I'm OK sharing it. 00:50:52
Where we were getting. 00:50:55
As a code enforcement officer, lots of push from. 00:50:57
A certain person of high standing in our community who didn't like their neighbor. 00:51:02
And so they said hit him with everything. And we have words like may. So it means, yeah, you can get him with that. 00:51:06
I want to be fair and I want to be good and so. 00:51:12
That's the only reason I, yeah, we'll, we'll work on that to kind of create kind of a. 00:51:15
Uh, standard on how we will determine if it will be. 00:51:20
Umm, maybe do a comparable sign for the word what may or I don't make sure in May. I think maybe we should just challenge the 00:51:23
yeah. 00:51:28
OK. 00:51:35
Umm, I think this is maybe the last section is home occupations. Umm, and I think we actually did review some of this with you 00:51:36
already before, but we've made quite a bit of updates with this with, with Kelly, our business licensing person. Umm, and here we 00:51:40
just. 00:51:44
Umm, we broke off some of the permitted and not permitted language. It was very confusing. Umm it was like I'm not permitted uses. 00:51:50
It was like medical practitioners and veterinarian services. 00:51:55
And it's like, are they related? Is it like that medical uses? And so we did wanted to be very straightforward on here are the 00:52:00
types of uses in here that that we allow. And here's what we don't. Umm, so we included personal care services. 00:52:07
Tracking, home cooking and sales, music lessons, tutoring, general education. 00:52:13
And then animal hobby breeders and pet pet grooming. 00:52:17
Umm, we do have definitions in our code that that differentiate between a commercial. 00:52:20
Umm, grooming and commercial breeder compared to a hobby breeder. So hobby breeders, somebody who has, you know, two dogs that are 00:52:26
super rare or whatev. I don't know anything about that, but and they want to bring them. 00:52:31
Uh, we, we will allow that. Umm, they will have to, you know, go get a license and there are standards that they do have to 00:52:38
follow. 00:52:41
Umm but we would not allow commercial anyway. The ones that we are not permitting would be medical practitioner, medical class. 00:52:45
Veterinarian services, animal hoarding, pet day care, vehicle sales that are that include vehicle services that include but not 00:52:51
limited to repair, painting, maintenance sales. 00:52:56
Same thing with recreational vehicles and then major appliance repair. 00:53:01
Do you have any questions on that? 00:53:05
Or anything you want to include, anything you want to take off. We had a meeting a while back about medical practitioner about if 00:53:07
somebody does massages or if they do certain not did. 00:53:12
Is that defined? Yeah, we, we are creating the definition of that be very specific medical practitioner, somebody who's a licensed 00:53:18
individual, umm, giving medical. 00:53:22
Whether it's a procedure, advice. 00:53:27
Umm, we actually do allow like, like there's a lot of doctors with uh. 00:53:29
Telehealth, we do allow them to do that because they're not actually practicing. 00:53:33
Or not communication. Yeah, yeah. Umm, But somebody who does like Botox, this would be very specific that that is a medical 00:53:36
practice. 00:53:40
Umm, you are injecting somebody with something and you have to be licensed. 00:53:44
Umm. And so that is now very specific in here on what that is. 00:53:47
Umm, I have a question. I mean, we're giving people to talk about this last time, but umm, if we're. 00:53:53
How are we, umm, enforcing that? 00:53:59
So it's all through the license. So if you know, if you had a business that you, umm, you were a vet and you wanted to open a 00:54:01
little vet shop in your house, you'd apply for business and we deny it. If you did anyways, then just through code enforcement. 00:54:08
Umm. And in some instances we could involve the the uh. 00:54:15
Sheriff's Office system does continue operating business. 00:54:19
That we deem it to be unsafe. 00:54:22
Under the vehicle services with this includes it has painting. 00:54:24
Maintenance or sales repair and know of someone that does vehicle wrapping? Does that include that? 00:54:28
So because we do say uh, vehicle services that are that include but not limited to umm. 00:54:35
Umm, we probably would include vehicle wrapping. I would in. 00:54:40
Was that in a similar fashion as painting and just kind of changing the exterior of the vehicle? It causes a lot of issues because 00:54:44
it's in a neighborhood that doesn't have, I think I know exactly what you're talking about, all the parking, so I I can include 00:54:48
that specific language. 00:54:53
Just say wrapping is is not permitted. Yeah, umm. 00:54:58
I think it would be helpful because I think. 00:55:02
That's a good time. 00:55:04
Let's see that. 00:55:05
It's I think it's this is. 00:55:07
Any sort of vehicle services are gonna be very disruptive within I. I think that is resolved with the current language with #2. 00:55:09
Where home occupations are limited to only one customer at a time and by appointment only, and they can. That's where our code 00:55:17
enforcement needs to mail them and and that's where if we don't get a complaint, we don't. 00:55:23
Know to go after it and even if we do they can provide and you know, if somebody is doing a vehicle wrapping business, they could 00:55:30
say, yeah, you know, a customer comes in, they make an appointment, they drop off their car and they leave. But then they have 10 00:55:34
cars parked because they have 10 clients. 00:55:39
I showed up at one time but at different times then. 00:55:44
On the next one where it says conditions that apply to all home occupation types and you talk about utility. 00:55:47
Yeah, get rid of the word utilities because then it says the home occupation shall not have demand on municipal services, 00:55:53
including the public right of way. 00:55:57
If you just Scroll down to the end there. 00:56:04
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mainly just like, oh, they're not using. 00:56:06
Electricity and gas, but. 00:56:10
I mean the public graduate municipal service as well. 00:56:12
Yeah. And we've talked about in for our business licenses, uh, there are a lot of things that. 00:56:15
People can't do if. 00:56:21
But there are a lot of things. We left it. We specifically left the door open that people can do a lot of things. Yeah, because 00:56:24
people should be able to do every anything they want. 00:56:28
As long as they're not serving people around them, right? If nobody knows that you drove a car into your garage and you're 00:56:33
wrapping it in your garage like. 00:56:37
By all means do that, or if. 00:56:42
Somebody like I know people, umm, repair old cars. 00:56:43
And eventually fell over and stuff like that. If if they're not having a disturbance, then it. 00:56:48
It I think that it should be permitted and we're pretty strict with what people aren't allowed to do in those situations. 00:56:55
Uh, from. 00:57:00
For cars specifically, we talked about. 00:57:02
Uh, they can't have any kind of equipment outside. They have to have a garage door closed. 00:57:05
They can't have cars or UMM engines or anything like that outside of UMM. 00:57:10
Uh, the garage, yeah. Uh, it can't be visible at all. So, so are you just kind of saying that we already have kind of the tools to 00:57:16
work through these problems that. 00:57:22
So do you think we should remove a lot of this like the vehicle? So because I I do see actually your point of like if somebody 00:57:27
did, they had a hobby of picking up old cars and telling them about would that be a business though it it could be. And at that 00:57:33
point like, yeah, are they actually going out and getting a license or doing that? Yeah. 00:57:39
So I I don't think that it's necessary, but we and because we already have the code to enforce these things, I don't think we need 00:57:46
to. 00:57:49
Yeah, we're, we're more. 00:57:53
Judging it based off of the impact rather than the use. 00:57:54
I think impact is the keyword there and so if we are making. 00:57:58
Uh, any amendments? It's really just that section about utilities. 00:58:02
Yeah. So how much they should not have a demand. 00:58:06
Beyond what typical residential uses you can say. 00:58:09
Customer visits or whatever, we're both, we, we even have a what a traditional house has. 00:58:14
In our in our umm business. 00:58:20
License stuff there is very specific. People cannot park on the street, they have to have a parking spot off. 00:58:23
They can only have this many people that come every day. Like it's very specific. Yeah, I, I think the hard thing is everybody can 00:58:29
agree to that. But then when it comes down to it and you have AV4 wrapping business that's really successful, you're not gonna 00:58:35
turn down the client for. But you get a complaint, right. But yeah, you're right. It is once you get the complaint that we can, 00:58:40
you know, do something about it. Don't turn people down. But you say, awesome, come on Thursday. 00:58:45
Yeah, OK, let me make a note of that. 00:58:51
So yeah, I don't wanna, I don't wanna restrict people from having at home businesses because I have, uh. 00:58:56
Oh yeah, I forgot to include. We're gonna remove anything associated with the skateboard and. 00:59:03
Not permitted. 00:59:09
That was way restricted before. 00:59:11
OK. Yeah, I'll, I'll work on on changing that up just so it kind of points more towards. 00:59:15
The exactly what you're talking about and put something that says please see. 00:59:19
Yeah. 00:59:24
OK, umm, we another thing we wanted to include is something about aggregate impact if somebody had multiple home occupations. 00:59:25
Which we don't want to deny them from, but we want to make sure that their impact is equal to a total of 1 Umm. 00:59:32
Umm, which I think makes pretty common sense there. Umm another one was nonprofit organizations. If they are nonprofit 00:59:39
organization with impact, they have to follow the standards here. 00:59:44
Umm. 00:59:49
And then, uh, we're including a section thing that the city can require or yeah, may require inspections to determine compliance. 00:59:51
This is mostly if somebody does say, hey, I wanna do this with my home occupation. 00:59:57
And we're a little iffy on. If that meets our standards, we can request to. 01:00:04
Umm, come to a brief inspection. 01:00:09
Umm, and then, uh, a license that you wrote upon any violation of requirements or conditions. 01:00:12
I think pretty, uh, simple there. 01:00:18
Umm, once again, the board may we do want to include is that the hard thing is is you know, let's say, you know, uh. 01:00:20
Bryce is. He has a simple code violation of. 01:00:28
I don't know. You have some weeds in your yard. Are we then gonna go remove your business license for that code violation? 01:00:33
I don't know if that's fair if the planning director despises. 01:00:38
Honestly, I I joke. Yeah, that's what I'm trying to. I'll look into the language to see if there's something we can do to. 01:00:43
Umm, rework it so we can have this. Yeah, some a certain amount of warnings or something. 01:00:49
OK. And then yeah, that the very last thing is the utilities, the homework creation shall not have demand of Neosporin utility 01:00:59
services. 01:01:03
Or community facilities in excess of those usually in customer provided for residential uses. 01:01:07
I'm not wrong slideshow here. 01:01:13
Umm, and I'll, I'll include that word, it says including the right of way to show that people cannot use the street for their 01:01:14
business. 01:01:17
Umm, as you mentioned, but. 01:01:21
Umm. We just thought that was important to to include. 01:01:24
Umm, And then business management, I think we talked to you guys about this, umm. 01:01:26
At the very first work session where we had this idea that like if people wanted to, it was like once a year they could hold an 01:01:30
event where they had more than one customer come to their house. 01:01:35
And the idea was like, I don't know, a Pampered Chef party or something like that. But then we determined that's gonna be way too 01:01:40
hard for staff to ever enforce. And then if that becomes a problem, we'll just use code enforcement. And that's when it goes back 01:01:46
to what's typical for a neighborhood. Yeah, People have parties. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Every Tuesday and Thursday. 01:01:53
Yeah, yeah. That's not typical. But now and then, yeah, yeah. So that's that's exactly why I removed it because we'll just use 01:01:59
code enforcement. 01:02:04
Areas where it becomes a problem. 01:02:08
So I think that is everything I have. 01:02:11
So are there any sections or anything like that you have comments on? 01:02:14
Umm, but I, I thank you guys for going through all this with us. It's been a. 01:02:17
Long few months of review on the code and and hopefully umm. 01:02:22
Umm, sometime, maybe early February, we'll have this time all finalized and ready for you. 01:02:26
Umm, to to get kind of any final feedback before it goes to to City Council? 01:02:30
Cool. 01:02:35
David, do you have anything that you that we maybe missed or? 01:02:37
Over here. All right. Thank you so much cash. I know this stuff is kind of mind numbing. 01:02:42
But. 01:02:48
You guys are doing a good job. 01:02:48
UMM staff, Commission and committee reports. 01:02:50
Umm, did you guys have anything? 01:02:54
I am so excited to say that. 01:02:56
Seth is moving forward with the State Park. 01:03:00
Like it's cool that it's my last meeting and the whole purpose of me being on the Planning Commission, I feel like, is to get this 01:03:02
State Park happening so. 01:03:07
Uh, I'm excited that there's actually stuff that's happening. Umm. 01:03:12
There will be umm Flyers going out there with umm, a survey that you can take and a link to, uh donate. 01:03:16
Umm, we've already received a donation, right? Yeah, we've received a donation where, uh, we're in talks with some businesses for 01:03:24
donations. Umm. 01:03:28
And, uh, things are looking really positive, so. 01:03:33
Uh, be on the lookout for that. It's exciting. Umm. 01:03:37
I think it'll be great for our many, many, many children and youth that have been Vineyard. 01:03:41
Umm, yeah, that's all I had, uh, staffed here with everything. 01:03:47
Umm, I don't think so. We uh, I can give a brief update on the, the City Hall, uh, project. So we did have that RP go out. Today 01:03:52
is actually the final day for any proposal to be submitted. 01:03:57
Umm, the staff will be reviewing that over the next two weeks and then it'll go to the council to approve on, uh, an architecture 01:04:03
firm to, to start the design for the City Hall project. Mm-hmm. 01:04:08
So that'll be early next year, so that that takes place, OK. 01:04:13
Cool. 01:04:17
Uh, if that's everything. 01:04:18
We do a big public thank you, umm, thank you for your service. We give you a round of applause, but it would be very loud. 01:04:20
Thank you. 01:04:31
All right. Thank you so much, Jeff. Uh, it's been a great eight years and, uh. 01:04:32
Yeah. We'll, we'll, we'll see here from you. And for the first time in eight years, like do you use the capital? 01:04:36
Umm, alright, I'm gonna use the gavel. I'm gonna have it on video. 01:04:43
OK, meeting adjourned. 01:04:48
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Welcome, David to the Vineyard Planning Commission meeting. 00:00:21
Today is December 18th, 2024. It is. 00:00:25
6:02 PM And we'll get things started. And Natalie Harper is gonna give us a pledge. Uh. 00:00:30
Pledge of Allegiance and an invocation. All right, pledge first. All right, let's do that. 00:00:37
United States of America. 00:00:43
And the public which you stand. 00:00:47
One nation under God, indivisible liberty and justice for all. 00:00:49
That's great. 00:00:56
Father, we thank you for your goodness to us. We thank you for this evening and for every minute and hour that you give us. 00:00:58
Yeah. So this would be a productive time. 00:01:04
Where we are thoughtful and mindful of our present and our future and the gift that it is to us and that we would be umm. 00:01:07
Thoughtful as well and kind in our remarks and give us with them. And we ask all these things in Jesus name, Amen. 00:01:14
You, Natalie. 00:01:23
All right, we'll move to public comments. David, you got anything for us? 00:01:24
Mm-hmm. 00:01:28
Umm, I I really still have some questions. 00:01:30
So David Luray resident. 00:01:35
So I've. 00:01:38
I, I've heard rumors that we're, uh, having discussions. 00:01:39
Umm about the umm. 00:01:43
Part 2 of the Homesteads Development. 00:01:46
OK, umm, the city is having discussions with them and about they like to change the zoning for that area and what it's currently 00:01:48
is, which is uh. 00:01:52
R1-8. 00:01:56
To, uh, something to allow a little more density like. 00:01:58
I use like the book kind of out there right now next to it pod in pod one, which one is pod 2 again? It's this the field, uh, 00:02:02
between the school and the first cul-de-sac. Yeah, this this South of school. OK, yeah. And and it and it ends with the cul-de-sac 00:02:08
first cul-de-sac on off the whole way Rd. on the whoa, each side of the holy, holy Rd. OK. 00:02:14
So that's umm anyway. And. And so there's a. 00:02:21
And I was talking about a list of all the wonderful things that. 00:02:25
The, uh, developer is going to give us. 00:02:28
Like I'm gonna get the 10 foot wide trail. Umm, you know, down there, you know. And so to connect, uh, go long hallway Rd. then 00:02:30
connect over to the sports bar. 00:02:34
And they were going to give us, uh, no additional entrances on the Hallway Rd. 00:02:38
And a couple things like that. And though, and if I looked, I went back and got my match from, from, uh, 2017 from there when they 00:02:43
were we talked about that last. 00:02:48
Here at this meeting. 00:02:52
And they, umm, those were already on the table. We already have those. There's, there's not like he's giving us anything new for 00:02:54
that. 00:02:57
So I just want to say that if by chance you all get to be involved in. 00:03:01
Any discussions about that? Would you please keep in mind that umm. 00:03:05
That that, uh. 00:03:08
The what that that those are new offerings. 00:03:10
He is asking for something more. 00:03:12
Giving us the same thing. 00:03:14
And so if he really, really wants to do that badly and the city really feels the necessity makes a higher density. 00:03:16
Umm. 00:03:22
I would not be in favor of that personally, but uh, if that's the case then please make sure you're getting something good from 00:03:24
him return. 00:03:28
So, uh, that's, that's number one, number two. 00:03:32
About the same same issue. 00:03:35
Umm, well, some reasons. Because some reasons for for considering not going to higher density. 00:03:37
Umm, there is that we've umm, in the city. We're doing a lot with high density already and the idea is. 00:03:43
The idea he's selling as as I understand it, is that these make great start better starter homes right now. 00:03:48
Uh, single family dwelling is O is out of reach of most uh people starting out. 00:03:54
Umm, I see, that's a good point. 00:03:59
Umm, however. 00:04:01
If we do, uh, do do that, then we'll, we'll be making even more, uh. 00:04:03
You know, then it'll be more higher than ever everywhere else and we'll have more. 00:04:09
Starter home and more people just starting out. 00:04:12
Who will financially not be as able to contribute other ways to the city? 00:04:15
Umm, you know, we are. We're also compared to, uh, Cottonwood Heights because we have similar sizes. 00:04:19
But the difference there is that that is that, uh, they have a lot more business. So they have their tax base there and that and 00:04:26
also they have the. 00:04:29
Also, there are a lot more. 00:04:32
We we because nowadays $1,000,000 homes, I mean any, anything. 00:04:34
Bigger than the. 00:04:38
3rd of an acre with a big house is $1,000,000 anymore. 00:04:39
So, uh, they have a lot more of those and so they have a lot more people who are further along in the, in the, in their path 00:04:42
through life and, and probably that are able to support things like the latest 5K run or. 00:04:47
The, uh, can our sponsoring part of the booth, Palooza and things like that. 00:04:53
Uh, and so we don't have a lot of that in our city, if you think about it, we have the lake fronts, umm. 00:04:58
And we have the. 00:05:03
So, so the the shore, that's that's why the shores and the Hamptons. 00:05:05
And we have a sleepy Ridge and. 00:05:08
Maybe a few other houses scattered throughout, Uh. 00:05:11
But not a real solid development of. 00:05:14
Of higher end homes. 00:05:17
And so we really don't, uh, so if we end up catering to lots and lots and lots. 00:05:18
Of starter homes, I mean, at one-on-one hand that's nice to give people a product to move into. The other hand, we're limiting our 00:05:23
our ability as a city to be able to fund ourselves. 00:05:28
And and you know, because all because all those folks will be more than paying properties actually less overall. 00:05:33
And so we, we, we. 00:05:39
We need to be careful that we're, besides growing our business base, we should be focusing on, we should also be making sure that 00:05:40
as our residential standpoint, our property tax base doesn't get, you know, uh. 00:05:46
Washed out or diluted? 00:05:52
Now, so give me give me a good balance there would be good. So those are some arguments I would I would leave you in in favor of 00:05:54
keeping it as is. 00:05:58
Umm, the R18 is still a pretty, uh, high. It's a medium density. It's just. 00:06:02
Barely medium density from from high density. Umm, it's, uh, and. 00:06:08
You know, a 600 square 606,000 foot square foot. 00:06:12
A lot is somewhere between the 7th and the 8th of an acre. 00:06:16
It's just, uh. 00:06:20
This tiny. 00:06:21
And I mean, they'll, they'll, they'll, they won't have much bondable if they build a house on that, you know? 00:06:22
So I, I, it really is, umm, it is pretty high density already and I think that we need more of that kind of product as well for 00:06:27
our city. 00:06:31
So those are my comments. Thank you. Thank you, David. 00:06:36
Mm-hmm. Uh, I haven't heard anything about this. I can, I can, uh, speak up a little bit on this. 00:06:39
Umm, we have a meeting with Michaelson with Homework Center Construction on UMM possibly looking at changes to POD 2. UMM, can't 00:06:43
quite get into the details, but uh, probably January or February or next year. 00:06:49
Umm, they'll be approaching the the Planning Commission and City Council for an amendment to their development agreement. 00:06:54
Umm, and at that point we can then, umm, work more with the public to see kind of what, what concerns people may have, like what, 00:07:00
what David shared. Umm, and then, you know, essentially it's up to the Planning Commission and, and City Council on approval on, 00:07:05
on whatever happens with their plan. 00:07:09
All right, but but nothing is is really public right now. They have not committed any application or anything like that as of 00:07:14
right now. OK. And the way I remember it as well, I remember the same way David is the. 00:07:19
That umm, path is included in the current plans, like they have to complete the path that I, I, I actually haven't seen the 00:07:24
original path. Even you know, you've been here longer than me, but you're probably right. And then that is there umm, but they 00:07:29
have talked about a few other things. 00:07:34
Umm, some included open space and possibly like cemetery land. 00:07:39
We'll, we'll make sure when we when we have this question and Planning Commission. 00:08:09
Umm, that we can show you kind of their original plan, like this is what was approved in 2017. This is what they're wanting to 00:08:13
change to just to make sure you're comparing apples to apples and then. 00:08:18
That's if or when it comes right, And that's right. And al also if there's umm. 00:08:23
I would like to know like where we are on our density requirements to know what sort of leverage we have to your point data like 00:08:28
where can we? 00:08:31
So the state of Utah will never be done enough. 00:08:35
For hitting anything if we're if we're sure I'd like to know that if you have that just so we can yeah, yeah, we could just go 00:08:39
over like our modern income household conversation will continue to arrive. So I would like to know that marker and to know. 00:08:46
What levers we have to pull to keep the density low? Yeah. And I imagine I like to catch this thing. There will be a work session 00:08:54
1st and then. Yeah. Yeah, it it won't, it won't be a quick, you know, 5 minute presentation and then we'll demand that you give us 00:09:00
a vote. OK. We'll make sure you have a full analysis on the staff side. 00:09:06
Umm, that you can, you know, make a full determination on on your recommendation to the City Council and one more point really 00:09:12
quick was all right, but we haven't left that. 00:09:16
Uh, comment period, yeah. So one more and, and that's the, the symmetry offering as I understand this 2 acres offering. Umm, I was 00:09:20
looking at at the homesteads, uh. 00:09:25
Oh, all the Hostess boundaries is. 00:09:31
Umm, you have to be careful to make sure that 2 acres aligns with uh. 00:09:33
Uh, some Parkland or something on the uh, in the hallway farms. 00:09:38
Development area so that we actually could make the cemetery out of it. 00:09:43
Uh, it it just. 00:09:46
I understand they're like 5 acres. 00:09:48
Yeah, that, that'll all be it. It's hard to say what this is without having to plan in front of the hard line there. Just make 00:09:50
sure that they line up. Otherwise you, you know, yeah, we'll, we'll make sure that one, you know, once this plan is ready for the, 00:09:55
the Planning Commission in the public that, that we've kind of gone through that. 00:10:01
And then once again, you know, if there are things that, that we met, we're, we're more than happy to, to give public feedback 00:10:07
and, and work with the developer on, on any changes. 00:10:11
Umm, that you can necessary if they do want to approve. Yeah, so cool. 00:10:15
Cool. Thanks, Kevin. 00:10:21
Uh, well, I won't be on the Planning Commission when that happens. I'll, I'll be here for sure. 00:10:22
Uh, thanks David. 00:10:28
Uh, moving to the consent items approval for the November 6th, 2024 Planning Commission meeting minutes. 00:10:31
I have a motion on that. 00:10:39
A motion. 00:10:42
10 seconds. 00:10:44
Yeah, Bon Favor. 00:10:45
All right, moving a business item 4.2 uh, should we put off the calendar until? 00:10:47
We have more people. Can we have people that are? Yeah. I mean, I don't know if we need an official. 00:10:53
Umm, motion, but I, I think we're actually sadly both of these items. It makes a lot more sense. I mean, it would be helpful to 00:10:59
have the calendar approved before the new year just so we know what and and there if you look at the staff where there's no. 00:11:05
I don't think there's anything taken off except for January 1st, 2nd, 1st. 00:11:11
Umm, so does the you know, the standard person there Wednesday of the month, except for that first meeting in January, which is a 00:11:16
combined planning session City Council meeting. 00:11:20
Umm. 00:11:25
I have a question, yeah actually umm. So I'm about to start umm a busy or travel season for my job. Is it possible for me to to do 00:11:26
a zoom? 00:11:31
And for these, if I'm not, yeah, we have been able to set up for electronic connection before. I'll I'll have to talk with him on 00:11:36
how that works and if, if you're connected online, if that. 00:11:41
If you can be like a sitting member or if. 00:11:47
You can't, but I'll, I'll talk to him and figure that out. Umm. 00:11:50
I think we should be OK unless you want to maybe umm. 00:11:53
Do a modified calendar. Just I I don't know the like legal process here Umm. 00:11:59
On saying that, the first meeting will be held and the calendar can be determined on January 8. 00:12:03
Umm, that would be the first meeting that we're closing and then from there, hopefully more members of the Commission are here 00:12:09
and. 00:12:12
You can vote on a full calendar at that meeting. 00:12:15
Perfect. I believe January 8th is actually a City Council meeting that we're doing an ombudsman training. It's it's a combined 00:12:18
Planning Commission City Council meeting. So we we did include it on the calendar. But I'm saying if we just say this calendar can 00:12:25
be approved or will be reviewed and approved on January 8th at a Planning Commission meeting, I think that should be OK. Fine. 00:12:31
OK, when? 00:12:39
Sorry, no, go ahead, couple. 00:12:40
Uh, business questions? Umm. 00:12:42
Do we have nominations or appointees? Umm. 00:12:45
At the start of the new year for the Planning Commission, Yeah. So we, we don't have any as of right now. The the mayor may choose 00:12:47
to and the council may choose to do that on the 8. 00:12:51
Umm, sometimes it does take them a little bit longer to. 00:12:56
Umm, go through that process. 00:13:00
Umm, I know that that they are aware that that prices umm retiring umm and that will need a a new. 00:13:02
Commission Member. 00:13:09
Umm. 00:13:10
What I would. 00:13:12
I'd like to make a motion that we adopt the calendar. 00:13:14
Umm, just approving the. 00:13:18
Meetings of the 8th and the 15th. 00:13:20
Because I feel like some of these business items would be more appropriate on the 15th when meeting as just us rather than also 00:13:23
with the account. That'd be fine too. Helpful setting. 00:13:27
Uh, I don't really wanna necessarily rain on their parade with. 00:13:32
Some of our day-to-day business stuff, I think that's more appropriate for the 15th. OK, So, uh, that has made a motion to delay 00:13:35
item 4.2 until the uh 15th meeting, but also approving, uh. 00:13:41
The meetings for January 8th and January 15th. 00:13:48
Can I drive a second? 00:13:52
Second, all in favor, all right. 00:13:53
All right, then item 4.3, uh, before we delay this, make a motion to delay this. 00:13:55
I would like to put in that I think the name would make a great Planning Commission there. He's very, he's very level headed. I 00:14:01
really appreciate having him on the, uh, Planning Commission. And so while we're not taking that now, I just want it on the 00:14:06
record. 00:14:12
A great chair. 00:14:19
Umm, I moved the house. Umm, this pushed to another date. Alright, well alright. No, it's all good. Uh, do you want to move it to 00:14:21
the 15th also? 00:14:27
Umm, I I think that would be a more appropriate time because that's when we'll have a more full body, OK. 00:14:33
Umm, but I wanna get both of your opinions. 00:14:39
I I think that would be. I think that makes sense too. 00:14:42
Yeah, I think so. It's just the three of us and and you're moving off. Umm, we wanna give other. 00:14:45
People and opportunity they want to. 00:14:51
Alright, do I have a second? 00:14:54
One second, all in favor. All right, all right. That's being moved. 00:14:55
Umm, and we'll move right into the work session for the 2024 zoning text amendment. Oh. 00:14:59
Cash, You got this or Anthony? Yeah, this is gonna be me, OK. 00:15:06
We're trying something new here, even. 00:15:09
All right, that's for presentation so I can take note. 00:15:12
Umm, yeah, just as a quick refresher in the past. 00:15:15
Do you find a question meetings? We've been kind of going over some updates we're making to the the plan or to the zoning code. 00:15:18
There should hopefully be the last work session, umm after this one we will eventually made all the changes that you guys have 00:15:23
requested. 00:15:27
For the previous meetings and then we, umm, can do one last meeting where we just review every single thing, every other change 00:15:31
and then essentially that needs a recommendation and that will go to City Council for approval and, and we'll work with them from 00:15:35
that point on. 00:15:39
Umm so this is the last section it did look like if you look through the the notes here and also I need to note that I did not 00:15:44
include the presentation. 00:15:48
Because I got it finished at like 5:50 today. Umm. 00:15:52
But I essentially. 00:15:55
Uh, the Word document that was, umm, with this. 00:15:57
Umm, staff report is everything in that presentation. I just have it. 00:16:00
In a different umm. 00:16:04
And then we'll both all the time. 00:16:06
Umm, anyway. 00:16:08
Umm, I'll just go through these. 00:16:10
Oh sure, uh, there is paper copies over there even if you do want. 00:16:12
The slide, yeah, if you want to look at that, that's true. 00:16:17
Take a copy Umm, so the slide show I just condensed most of of what you'll see in the paper copy umm, just to make it a little bit 00:16:21
easier to read. Umm, and I'll go through each section. Feel free to stop me anytime if you do have questions or you, you have 00:16:25
other changes that that you see. 00:16:30
Umm for the first section 1502 which is title, authority, purpose and declaration of intent and effective date. 00:16:35
Umm, we just, we add a title. So everywhere you'll see in green applications, building structures, applicability, minimum 00:16:41
requirements. 00:16:45
Those are all added and then we just cleaned up some language. Umm. 00:16:49
Umm, that was we we thought was confusing or archaic. A lot of this total. 00:16:53
Originally adopted with the very first joint code in like 2014 or something like that. 00:16:57
Umm, a lot of it was just copy and paste it from other jurisdictions. So we just wanted to clean it up, umm, as much as possible. 00:17:01
Umm. 00:17:08
Let's see. 00:17:11
Hold on. 00:17:15
1506 land use authorities and officers. So this is one that probably there might be some more conversation to be had on it. 00:17:17
Umm, right now our our code does require that we stagger the appointments of Planning Commission members so that not more than 00:17:24
one, umm, renewal is. 00:17:28
UMM members terms are to be staggered so that no more than one term shall expire each year when you have 8 Commission members. 00:17:33
Technically impossible to accomplish. We've looked at other cities. I talked to Pam about this and he thought that 3 was an 00:17:41
appropriate number. That's actually, we have a few right now. They're that way. So we just wanna make sure we are meeting our 00:17:46
code. And so that's why we're, umm, suggesting to change it to three appointments. 00:17:50
Umm, instead of one term. 00:17:56
UMM can expire at the end of each year. 00:17:58
Do you have any comments on that? 00:18:01
OK, just before we keep going. Umm. 00:18:04
The record. 00:18:07
The city attorney has reviewed. No, no, no. So yeah, that'll be essentially the next step is once we've gotten all the comments 00:18:08
from you, we will send it to him and he'll make sure that we're meeting state code and all that. And then it'll be a business item 00:18:14
which will go down. Correct. Yes. This, this is just the work session just to talk And and yeah, we asked you to do some things 00:18:19
last time. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. 00:18:25
Umm, the next section is about the a a quorum. So quorum is is having three members here. Umm, and right now the the wording in 00:18:30
this makes it. 00:18:34
Makes it seem like. 00:18:39
Umm, a vote requires the majority of the Planning Commission, which would actually be. 00:18:41
Four to five people, umm. 00:18:47
Umm, because of Planning Commission is made-up of eight people. Umm. 00:18:49
And so we just added language to to sitting present members of the Planning Commission and that way, you know, if there's three of 00:18:52
you here just requires that majority to to vote. 00:18:56
Umm, Commission organization we included. 00:19:01
No, it's. 00:19:06
It's still have to be 3, wouldn't it let me? All actions of the Commission shall require the vote of a majority of the total 00:19:07
sitting present members of the Commission. Oh. 00:19:12
So up to three of us here, 2 if I need to be OK with it, that's the majority of who is there. 00:19:17
I personally feel that it should be the majority of the total, regardless who's president of the Commission, not including the 00:19:22
alternate. So we could do you want me to change it to that of the Commission not including the alternative? Yeah. I don't wanna 00:19:28
speak to. I wanted to at least be three. OK. Yeah. Umm. 00:19:33
We could say with the minimum, we could say of a minimum that makes sense majority of. 00:19:39
Yeah, whatever. I'll, I'll, I'll work another way to word it, however I would like to hear. 00:19:46
But the argument for this would be because it seemed right away we're all like we must go. Was there a reason? Yeah. And and that 00:19:51
would be technically tonight if you had a site plan before you. 00:19:55
You could not vote to approve it. 00:20:00
With even though you have three of us, you have a form here and if we had a minimum thing, you need to have four people voting. 00:20:02
OK. 00:20:10
Which is fine. I don't think we've ever had an issue where. So what do you think? There's a minimum of three. Yeah. So even if we 00:20:11
have stuff come forward, I don't think that there are issues. And if there are, if they are controversial enough that somebody's 00:20:17
voting no, then I think that we should have more. OK. OK. 00:20:23
Sorry, can you speak into the mic there? Are you OK if I just sure? Yeah, Yep. Thanks. 00:20:31
The point of clear as long as you do that for everyone. 00:20:35
So you're saying that we have umm? 00:20:39
You'd have to have four or five to make a majority, but 5 sitting council members, anyone time right Commission members at one 00:20:42
time, we alter it. Go ahead. So the majority of the five, it was the I guess I'll work on this language. So that doesn't a vote 00:20:47
requires at least three people and that three people have to win a permanent. So in this case, the pipeline was here tonight. We 00:20:53
wouldn't have to postpone that because we don't we we do have a quantum, but we don't have a majority of the total Commission, 00:20:59
which is 8 people. 00:21:05
And so we would still allow that vote to take place, but it has to be a unanimous vote among the three sitting members, even even 00:21:11
if one of the people up here was an alternate. 00:21:15
So it the way I, the way I see it, and we'll need to talk to Jamie about legality of it if there were two sitting members and then 00:21:20
I'll send it up here. And it was, you know, the mess among the three. The alternate would be at that time a sitting member. Yeah. 00:21:26
Yeah. When an alternate is sitting up here, they are considered a member of the Planning Commission. 00:21:31
Yeah. So maybe just to say. 00:21:37
Three. A minimum of three. 00:21:40
But I'll let you figure that out, OK? Yeah, I'll, I'll work on that language and bring it back. I think before bringing it back, 00:21:45
that is one worth sharing with the city attorney because we need to know what applicant rights there are and that we aren't being 00:21:49
overly burdensome. 00:21:53
With some of our rules. 00:21:57
Yeah. 00:21:58
I mean, even if with different City Council has only three council members and the City Council meeting, it has to be unanimous 00:22:00
when they pass it. Yeah, Yeah. So we'll try to just make it equal to what the City Council minimums are. Yeah. 00:22:06
OK umm Commission organization umm this just allows for the the Commission to umm elect a chair for them in case the chair can't 00:22:13
vice chair are gone. 00:22:17
Right now there's really no language to outline the process for that. 00:22:22
Umm, so you just wanted to include that? 00:22:26
Umm. Then you're, uh, the development. 00:22:29
Let's see. Oh, the DRC. We're finally getting this in here. I was just gonna call you over. You're overdue. Umm. 00:22:32
But it the the DRC membership right now essentially allows everybody to have a designee except for the Planning Commission chair. 00:22:39
And we are now adding that language into the planning question, Chair. 00:22:46
Umm, the next one. Super simple. Umm, just an establishment of districts. Let's just give a brief summary of what every district 00:22:53
is the RMU RC. 00:22:58
Umm, the GRMU was missing the road so we just include that. This is the definition straight from the DRU code language. No changes 00:23:04
or anything like that to it. 00:23:09
I did have a quick question on the zoning map. This was an issue that was brought up when the. 00:23:14
All right, pump, hold away farm, OK. 00:23:19
And the map has different coloring for different zoning. 00:23:23
Do we wanna define the zoning for future developments? Because they're still. 00:23:26
Zoning on the map that is low density. 00:23:32
But uh, so, oh, so you're saying like of of this density equals this many years per acre? Yeah. 00:23:35
Umm, I I can talk to I I know exactly what you're talking about where people were saying this is high density when it's. 00:23:43
Other people were saying this is actually low density and it's like we called it low medium density because we don't have any 00:23:49
definitions. The So it was zoned as low density and the developer came in with a plan that eventually got approved by the City 00:23:54
Council but denied by the Planning Commission. 00:23:59
That, uh, has a greater density than all of our medium density in the city. 00:24:04
And they said that it was low density because of some. 00:24:10
Yeah, yeah, some arbitrary. They thought that. 00:24:13
And we didn't have a way to like have teeth in that, in that way. Super annoying. OK, yeah, I can include that in the the 00:24:17
definitions of for each zone, kind of. 00:24:21
What and, and I, I, I do remember having this conversation with, with Morgan when this whole thing came about. And I, I do 00:24:26
remember him pushing back for some reason. I don't remember what that is, but I'll, I'll try to figure that out and bring that. 00:24:32
It's one way or another. Umm, back to you guys, OK? Umm. 00:24:38
The OK, yeah, this is the, the zoning map, umm, we just talked about like uncertainty, uncertainty regarding boundaries of various 00:24:44
zones. So if you look at the zoning map, it just kind of has a, a line going down in different areas generally that that's along 00:24:49
lot lines. 00:24:53
Umm, but there are a few. Like for example, we're doing a pipeline right now for the eldest church along to the road where they 00:24:58
have one lot that is put into two different zones. 00:25:02
And so this language here just umm. 00:25:07
Helps us simplify exactly how we determine which zone to rule that property as. 00:25:09
Umm. 00:25:14
And it. 00:25:16
We, we did have that language in there before, umm, if you'll notice on the paper copy, everything in red sticking out is what was 00:25:17
in there. We just tried to make that language a little bit easier to understand. 00:25:22
Umm, the next one. This is probably a little bit more more complicated, the district use table. I tried to provide a a brief 00:25:29
summary up at the top of everything we did, but if you look at our previous, our current. 00:25:35
Umm, district ease table. It's pretty ugly. 00:25:41
Umm. It's really hard to to find anything. Umm. 00:25:44
Umm. And so actually, Madison spent. 00:25:46
Countless hours redrawing a new table and putting it up, and then we'll have a residential category, a commercial category, and a, 00:25:49
uh, public. 00:25:54
I I only include those two in a paper copy actually, but we just split it up rather than having one long table. It just makes it 00:25:59
easier to read. And then here are a few changes that we are making to it or suggesting that we make to it. 00:26:05
Umm changing the short term rental from not permitted to permitted. 00:26:11
Umm, as we've discussed in the past about umm, short term rentals, I think the first one of these umm work sessions that we did 00:26:15
kind of creating the standards unfortunately. 00:26:20
Umm, and we'll come back to that once again, umm, But right now it's just not permitted across the board. Right now we're changing 00:26:25
to permitted, but with the subscript note thing, it has to follow the standards that we are working on getting approved. Umm. 00:26:31
Umm and that's only in the single family home neighborhoods I believe, and maybe the RMU. 00:26:38
Umm, then, uh, we added check cashing and other credit services. Umm, I know there's been some talk online about the city creating 00:26:44
its own or allowing this type of use. 00:26:50
Umm, but I did just want to reiterate that if we don't outline specific standards for different uses. 00:26:56
Then we have to essentially use like this check cashing place wanted to come in, we would have to rule and just say this is a 00:27:02
financial institution and it is governed by that standard, which is pretty low by creating standards for something like this. 00:27:09
We can now put on some more requirements. So, and I think we went over those in the past of kind of having the distance 00:27:17
requirements, total number of businesses we're allowing umm, so we're including that in the table. 00:27:22
Umm, we are changing car wash from permitted to conditional in the army. 00:27:28
Umm, we've had a lot of drama about car washes in the past. We didn't wanna just put in more kinda barriers there. 00:27:33
Umm and so that would actually I believe they are only permitted now in the manufacturing of the FY zone, umm and the rest is 00:27:38
conditional in any of our like commercial uh zones. 00:27:44
Umm Event Center, we changed that from not permitted to conditional in the regional commercial. 00:27:50
Uh, we added the mobile food court only being conditional in the RMU. 00:27:56
Umm, we added re retail tobacco specialty business. So once again similar to that check cashing, we just we want to create 00:28:01
standards for this and so. 00:28:05
It's a conditional in the regional commercial. 00:28:10
And then establish or attach to establishment, umm, we included on here because that wasn't anywhere and that is permitted in in 00:28:13
most of our commercial zones, RMU, Gru, FMU, RC and NC. 00:28:18
So if that, are there any? 00:28:24
Yeah, umm, I have. I see no issues with the actual substance at the table and what we discussed. I feel like it's consistent. 00:28:26
The only umm. 00:28:33
Suggestion I have with formatting of the table. 00:28:35
Is that the zoning district uses heading is only at the beginning of the table. 00:28:38
And when it's on multiple pages sometimes I get lost. 00:28:44
So that is what we could format that when it's actually published. 00:28:48
That is a problem with technology. So to make a Long story short, we pay for uniscribed. 00:28:52
Umm, I think you can describe that on Actually, I forgot the name of the Unicode Unicode. Thank you. Umm, Unicode. And they have 00:28:58
two different softwares. We use this one as a self-publishing software and the tables that we're allowed to use are very 00:29:06
restrictive. One method that we could do is every and every five rows. We could just include the zoning. 00:29:13
So that it would be there so it's easy to follow so. 00:29:20
But there's no way out with the notes. Was it uploaded? 00:29:24
As a Word document. 00:29:29
I believe this is. If it's in the future, is just uploaded as APDF, that would resolve that issue. 00:29:31
Umm, but you can correct me if I'm wrong. 00:29:36
So it's usually created in the software on the on the. 00:29:41
You know, on the website itself. So you can't. 00:29:45
Created in Word and just copy it inside. 00:29:47
You can place it as a picture and it won't be clear enough. 00:29:50
To work with. 00:29:54
The file December 18th PC note. 00:29:55
What's created within the system? Yeah. 00:29:59
Yeah, we don't software like I said, it has so many. 00:30:03
And it is for the most part but the table. 00:30:06
Feature on it is the most frustrating thing in the world. I think Madison probably recreated this table two or three times because 00:30:09
of the issues it had. And yeah, it was created in here. And then I took screenshots of it and created the note document that 00:30:15
you're looking at. Like I said, substance wise, I don't see an issue with it. I just wanna make sure when it is published in the 00:30:20
actual municipal code that is formatted in a friendly way, if that means you need to have some ribbons throughout it to remind us 00:30:26
what the heck we're looking at. 00:30:32
Then maybe that's how we do it. Umm, I just ask that you please consider that it's not Yeah, so I'll just user friendly. So yeah, 00:30:38
I'll show you. So this is like I said, this is the updated table, what it looks like. 00:30:43
Where we did put it and that that's the reason we just put it for now residential. 00:30:49
It's a little easier to read. 00:30:53
Umm, let me show you the Yeah, so original. Yeah, just the zoning district uses every. 00:30:55
Yeah, yeah. So every, Yeah. So right now, like for example, if you wanted to find out motor vehicle fueling station and the RMU, 00:31:01
you're then scrolling up here and then you have to go down here. You moved a little to the left or right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Every 00:31:08
10 or so. Alright, I'll have Madison do that. Take her a few hours. 00:31:14
Thank you. 00:31:21
OK, let me. 00:31:23
Go back to this. 00:31:24
OK anything else with the the district use table? 00:31:35
OK, if not I can continue. 00:31:42
OK. 00:31:45
Umm. 00:31:47
Oh, uh, one of the a few other things. This is not in the the paper copies. These are the things I. 00:31:48
Umm, and that would be changing sports course right now in residential zone. If you want to put it back before in your backyard 00:31:53
right now, you have to you're supposed to get a conditional use permit. 00:31:59
There's plenty of sports, sports and vineyards and I don't think we see anything with conditional use permit for them. 00:32:04
And so, you know, that's either we need to do better about catching that. 00:32:09
Or we just change it permitted and require that they meet our standards about fencing that they can only put up, you know, a 10 00:32:13
foot tile fence around it or whatnot. 00:32:17
Umm, so that that's really up to you guys on on what you think is the best route to go on that whether we. 00:32:21
Just trying to catch these courses, they get bored or because I, I don't even get to go through a building permit right now. So 00:32:27
it's really hard for us to even catch that in my home neighborhood. I, I, yeah, I don't think she was having it being permitted. 00:32:33
Umm, my only one is we need to. 00:32:39
There's people that are putting up like systems that are clear violations of the light code. And so it's just things. Be aware of 00:32:42
that. Yeah. And at that point. 00:32:46
And if people are doing electrical I believe, and the team might know this, would that require a building current they are putting 00:32:50
in like permanent lighting? 00:32:54
So we should catch that at that stage. 00:32:58
I get that some people still might do some work themselves and don't get a permit, but in that state we should catch it. 00:33:01
And and that's also another thing, if you do see it and it is having currency of a bright light shining into your window, let us 00:33:07
know and we'll we'll do what we can enforce it. 00:33:11
Umm, and then the other thing is we, we simplified the garage, detached garage language. Umm, it was just a really giant section 00:33:17
of the, the district use table. 00:33:22
And we just changed it to I think permitted with a subscription review. The code below just make the the table look better. 00:33:27
OK, development agreement. 00:33:36
Umm, we mostly just simplified language here. Umm. As you'll see in the the paper copy, everything in the wrap we're taking out 00:33:38
bringing is all new. 00:33:42
Umm And then the second section there says that that every development agreement is supposed to be reviewed by the City Council 00:33:46
every year. 00:33:50
And once again, I don't think that. 00:33:55
So what happens often enough? And so we added some language that says the council or staff. 00:33:57
Child review a development agreement and then if staff doesn't, they need to provide a report to the City Council on if they are 00:34:04
meeting those obligations from the development agreement. So for example, right now with uh, Holdaway Field. 00:34:10
Starting to develop a lot. Anthony's been going through their development agreement and saying, you know, when are we gonna get 00:34:16
our 400 S Rd. connection? 00:34:20
Are we making sure that they're up to date on their landscaping and all that and so. 00:34:23
Umm, this just allows staff to do that. Report to the the umm. 00:34:28
City Council? Umm, just because that's a lot more likely to get done than just the council receiving every development agreement. 00:34:32
I don't even thought they're on that. 00:34:39
That makes sense, So. 00:34:41
Yeah, in the past, whenever I see stuff like this municipal code, you can usually tie that to. 00:34:43
Years ago a certain development agreement got approved that members of the council that I really don't wanna approve this. And 00:34:49
they said, well, what have we reviewed every year? Oh, OK. Yeah, that's usually where this is coming from. And if this was 00:34:54
inherited from another community. 00:34:58
Cool. Umm. I'm interested to see the origin of this particular one for Vineyard inherited from Provo. 00:35:03
Or and Provo had a weird one. Or if this was something from a few years ago that. 00:35:10
About a development agreement that we're concerned about. 00:35:15
But I. 00:35:18
Yeah, yeah, staff do it and then. 00:35:19
Write up a summary every 12 months that can be on consent calendar unless there's something worth waiting. I wonder the last time 00:35:23
that the development agreement for the Homestead was reviewed. Great question. Well, we're about to go ahead and ask you. 00:35:30
20 years ago. 00:35:37
I'm curious so and and that would be good if it is in here, it would help create a practice in our department because right now if 00:35:39
it's up to the council to review it then. 00:35:43
You know, it's just not gonna happen. But right now if we do say for staff, that would then kind of create a mandate for us to do 00:35:49
it and it would be kind of put on a yearly thing for us to provide for the council. Yeah. As far as single family housing, they're 00:35:53
the only ones. 00:35:58
Well, except for, I guess holdaway fields now that are still building and they've still got quite a lot left. Yeah, I think it 00:36:03
could be wise to review that. 00:36:07
Yeah, maybe when we're reviewing this Part 2, we could look back at the whole development agreement as well, just to make sure. 00:36:12
Yeah, Mm-hmm. 00:36:19
Cool. 00:36:22
OK, uh. 00:36:23
Umm. 00:36:24
OK, yeah, uh, permanent uses this essentially, umm, it it just was a little confusing at the beginning because it, it sounds like 00:36:27
that the plan or the city planner gets to review and render a final decision for every, uh. 00:36:34
Permitted use application that comes into the city Umm. 00:36:40
Umm and I I just wanted to create some language to differentiate. 00:36:43
What the Planning Commission approves versus what the city planner approved. 00:36:46
So for example like a building or if a business wants to move into an already existing structure. 00:36:50
That is something the planning department can review. We say, oh, this is a permitted use. 00:36:56
They're allowed to to move into here, but if it's a site plan, of course the site plan, we want the Planning Commission to to look 00:36:59
at it. Same thing single family home finding. 00:37:03
Or the the planner does approve that, not the Planning Commission. So we just wanted to create that language in there. Umm, and 00:37:07
most of this is redundant in the site planning umm section as well, just differentiating the the two. 00:37:13
Umm, then approval standards. We were removed from redundant language. It was just. 00:37:19
You know, essentially laid out everything that we review. Umm, but it's also like. 00:37:26
Every site plan needs to comply with the requirements of the zoning district and then it includes all these different things like. 00:37:31
The just different standards height set back all that, but that's something that's just in the zoning standards. So we thought 00:37:37
that language is was not necessary. 00:37:41
Umm, conditional uses. 00:37:46
Umm, this one. We did uh, include a section here saying the title report and survey of the subject property may be required by the 00:37:47
city planner. Right now, umm, it is just required. 00:37:53
Umm, I don't know what your thoughts are on that there. There's a lot of benefits to having the title report, but we felt that 00:37:59
there might be some cases where a conditional use is is. 00:38:03
Report or conditional use. 00:38:08
Umm permit is required. 00:38:10
And we still title report might not. 00:38:12
Proved to to be a benefit to to the planning question or staff. 00:38:15
Umm, and in that case, we could, you know, waive that requirement. 00:38:18
Umm, we're, we're fine keeping it as a requirement. If you do want, for example, if somebody wanted to do a home preschool, I 00:38:23
believe they need a. 00:38:26
Uh, conditional use permit. 00:38:29
And so that would be an example of. 00:38:31
Do we want to make them go through all this title work for the some preschool? 00:38:33
You know, umm, and that is something that that the city planner in in this new language could waive. 00:38:37
Umm, I, I was with you. So you gave that example. Absolutely. Do a title report for that because is that personal renter or the 00:38:43
owner? And are we OK with the owner knowing that they're running a preschool out of the house they're renting? So that's not 00:38:49
something that's why you run the time. Yeah, we, we do check that in the business pricing application. OK. 00:38:55
So we we do kind of have those measures in place. 00:39:02
But. 00:39:04
Like I said, it's, it's up to you guys if, if you do or if we do want to create kind of a standard of when we would raise that 00:39:05
requirement. Umm. 00:39:08
Umm. Anytime I see the word may I'm. 00:39:12
Followed up with a cool under what circumstance? That's just kind of my general. 00:39:17
Roll with most of these because when it says maybe if the city planner feels like it obviously is casual, but that's the risk. My 00:39:22
my thing, you guys are awesome city planners, but what about 5 years from now, 10 years from now, 20 years from now? 00:39:28
I want to make sure we're getting people accountable. Yeah, no, totally agree. So yeah, I'll, I'll look into that. And if, if I do 00:39:35
find special circumstances where I do think that would be adequate and I'll include them. If not, I'll just remove that. 00:39:41
That's only one opinion. 00:39:48
You haven't at least double that over here. I agree. Either that or like dig into. 00:39:50
Specifics of these are the ones that we wouldn't, OK. 00:39:57
Umm, are there any other ones besides like a? 00:40:02
Preschool. Are there any other examples of? 00:40:06
So I mean, for example, right now we are we're reviewing like a site plan application for a tire shop that's not near any kind of 00:40:09
residential. 00:40:13
Umm, that, that is a conditional use, so that would require a high report. Umm, and we will be I, I guess this could be a good 00:40:17
example. We are already getting a final report. They have to do a plat. So now we're gonna make them do it, possibly give you 00:40:21
another kind of report for this business. 00:40:26
So that might be a circumstance where it's like we don't really need to see this again. 00:40:32
Umm, but this would be another good one that would be good to run through our attorneys. He's the one who generally has a lot of 00:40:36
that's what I'm wondering if we can, if they've submitted a title report in the beginning, if that's not something we can just 00:40:41
that we have on record or that they would so well the the our requirements title reports. 00:40:46
I believe Anthony, yeah, they're only down for 30 days. And so say for example, they, they do the planning. 00:40:51
We get it approved and then 31 days later they go through the site plan with conditional use. 00:40:57
We now have an expired. 00:41:03
Got it. I have a report. 00:41:05
Or do we want to put that burden back on to them? 00:41:07
Totally get that, and that is obnoxious, so I appreciate doing something to be more uh. 00:41:10
So yeah, we'll we'll dig into this to make it not duplicative work, but it's like if it hasn't been. 00:41:14
Yeah, existing, right. Like if that hasn't happened before, I. 00:41:21
I'm with me. I'd like it to happen. Some language there, the survey also. 00:41:24
Yeah, love that it's in May there because. 00:41:30
Very few conditional use permit. 00:41:33
Really need an ultra survey? 00:41:35
I would love to avoid that because that's also just a. 00:41:38
It's a pretty expensive cost for the developer that nine times out of 10 you go OK cool. Umm only ask for things if we feel like 00:41:42
right if it would help. 00:41:48
Yeah, change a decision, right. And and maybe that's how we word it with. 00:41:54
Where? 00:41:58
May be required by the city planner if. 00:41:59
It is of substance in the hand or even just saying by the city planner at his discretion. 00:42:03
OK, Yeah, we'll we'll work on range and this like I said, I think it'd be another good one to run by our legal to make sure. OK, 00:42:09
yeah. And the same would apply for the section right underneath it when talking about traffic. Compassionate. Yeah, that that 00:42:14
length about that. 00:42:18
And I wanna make sure if there's a may there we have conditions online. 00:42:23
Yeah, and and this one, it was just the language in red was super confusing. If required by the commissioner, traffic impact now 00:42:28
will be required. 00:42:32
Umm so we just rephrase it, essentially saying it may be required if requested by the Planning Commission, VRC or city engineer. 00:42:37
So any one of our bodies could request it and in that case it is now required. Then I think we just get rid of the word wait. 00:42:44
May in that instance. 00:42:51
And this sort of thing, it may be required. So we'll be required, will be required to get requested. 00:42:53
OK, good catch. 00:43:00
Change my tooth. 00:43:02
Alright. 00:43:06
Umm, general property development standards. Umm removed language about flag lock. We don't have any standards in our city for 00:43:09
flag lock. 00:43:13
Umm, so this section right now is talking about drive or lo uh. 00:43:17
Uh, lock frontage requirements. 00:43:21
Umm, and where? We don't have any black box, we don't have black box standards. 00:43:23
It's not unnecessary to include this language unless you want to create a section specifically talking about backlog and how we 00:43:29
want to. 00:43:32
Umm, uh, you know, examine those. 00:43:35
Or what requirements you wanna put onto those? Is there any possibility that there could be a flag line I I mean I? 00:43:38
Yeah, always possible that that something could happen like that. Umm. 00:43:44
So, but I, I think and, and Rachel is the one who did this section, so she, she has a little bit more insight on, on why she 00:43:49
wanted to move that, umm, but I think it, it just comes down to we need to create a section on Flaglock. 00:43:55
Umm that have these standards in place rather than just say. 00:44:01
Right now this is saying we don't require driveway frontage requirements for flight law. Like let's create the standard rather 00:44:05
than just kind of. 00:44:08
Ignore it. Yeah. 00:44:12
Yeah, yeah. 00:44:14
Umm, the next one again, umm, it's talking about front yard parking prohibited. Umm, and it says that no vehicle parking shall be 00:44:15
permitted in any required front yard set back area except on driveways located in residential loans that directly accept. 00:44:22
Of garage or carport. 00:44:30
Umm. We felt that that umm. 00:44:31
We we already do have a requirement of where parking can be located in the front yard. And we thought that like this language was 00:44:33
first redundant, but also could be restrictive of additional parking if somebody wanted to put in a a concrete pad that given 00:44:38
access a. 00:44:42
Carport or driveway. So they wanted to have something just, you know, if they have an Adu or something like that. 00:44:47
Umm, so I'm gonna remove that language. 00:44:52
Umm, Clearview Triangle. This one we we've been having a lot of hard. 00:44:56
Hard times with lately UMM because of the graphics that we include in the zoning code is very confusing on where we actually 00:45:00
measure. So essentially the Clearview triangle of the the 12 foot line measured from the driveway to the street and then from the 00:45:04
driveway entrance. 00:45:08
Set either side and it creates a triangle of view protection triangle that we don't wanna see any senses. 00:45:13
Umm, any permit structures, anything like that in that area. But the way that the code is written right now, umm, makes it from 00:45:19
the curb line. And essentially by the time you get to the curb line to the driveway, you're already at like 10 feet or something 00:45:23
like that. And so it makes it useless. 00:45:28
And so we changed how we measure that, like how we measure the the umm. 00:45:33
The Clearview triangle and then we remove the graphic. 00:45:37
Umm, when we come back for approval we will probably have an updated graphic to to show this. Umm, just because they are helpful. 00:45:40
But in this case it did hurt us. 00:45:44
Umm. 00:45:49
So especially wrong units, this one UMM might might be a little bit more UMM 73 to to get through UMM. 00:45:51
So in our general plan, we actually do have this in here in our moderate income housing section, umm that we will up approve 00:45:58
mobile housing types intended for long term placement that adhere to our permanent foundation. 00:46:05
Umm, that's in our general plan. It's also in our moderate income housing report of things that we need to continually improve in 00:46:11
Adu. 00:46:15
Umm, so we thought that this was a good time to include it. 00:46:19
I have a question, what what constitutes does the mobile have? 00:46:22
Umm great question. Essentially you could get something like some a pre manufactured home and put that on a permanent foundation 00:46:26
but it would have to be fit within our detached. 00:46:32
Accessory structure code. 00:46:37
Umm. 00:46:40
So we're, we're trying to figure out the best way to, to do this without people thinking we're just allowing like a trailer park 00:46:41
to exist or like a shipping container. People have done that and like. 00:46:46
Like a house and shipping. Yeah, like, right. So we, we don't allow containers right now in the city, so that would prohibit that. 00:46:52
But umm. 00:46:55
Umm most this mostly is speaking to like pre manufactured homes. I I think that's where. 00:46:59
I get hung up is the term mobile housing but I think you might mean. 00:47:06
Modular prefab. Yes, prefab that's exactly Yeah, I I just. 00:47:10
Yeah, I I use the word mobile just because that was what is in our our general plan. 00:47:15
Umm, let me pull that up. Mobile would. 00:47:20
Umm, I think would contradict the rest of the the statement where I think it's adhered to a permanent foundation. 00:47:24
Them so on your mobile, we don't want to see mobile. 00:47:32
So umm, I don't know that most trailers aren't early either. If you say like a trailer park, a mobile home, but I I don't know 00:47:35
then we can dig into more specifics on what it looks like. 00:47:40
Is it really a modular home or is it a prepaid one? Because there's some really fantastic prefab homes that would even match. 00:47:45
As an accessory dwelling unit is very different than doing a. 00:47:52
Double wide yeah and, and maybe this is where we can include some sort of definition that could help us. Umm, I believe that we 00:47:56
got this language straight from the state, so the state, uh. 00:48:01
MMM uh, going back where you were asking about kind of where we're at with density in the state, essentially the state has a 00:48:06
moderate income housing report that we have to fill out every year that kind of talked about the state of the city and, and what 00:48:12
we're doing to encourage moderate income housing and one of those sections that we have to umm, that the city has chosen to. 00:48:18
Umm report on is our accessory dwelling unit. 00:48:25
And from there they kind of create a menu of different things that you can choose. And so this is something that was, uh. 00:48:27
Chosen by the the Planning Commission City Council, probably in 2022. 00:48:33
Is one of our strategies. 00:48:37
That we would adopt by the end of 2025 is to allow this mobile housing. 00:48:39
Umm, I can see if this did, if that language did come straight from the state. 00:48:44
My guess is it would be hard to change that if we want to qualify this under the modern income housing, if we did change it to be 00:48:48
more restrictive than what the state is. 00:48:53
Umm, but I can look into that. Oh, when when the City Council approved those things, did we not approve an extra 1? 00:48:58
Umm, we did, but we can no longer report. 00:49:06
On one of the goals. 00:49:08
I, I forget what, which one it is, but this year they essentially they gave us the approval on the moderate income happening and 00:49:11
said. 00:49:14
Starting this year, you can no longer report on this. 00:49:17
Uh, the call. 00:49:19
And it's it's not a fun report. I I wonder how we can get the definition of yeah, what exactly what mobile happiness that is 00:49:21
intended for long term placement that is here to affirm. Yeah. And and it's also who's who's determining what that is. Yeah. You 00:49:28
know, there, there's a lot of kind of Gray area in there I I think. 00:49:34
One of the. 00:49:42
Low hanging fruit to do it is out of Section 3 of Design standards. 00:49:44
To say absolutely, we allow mobile housing types as long as it. 00:49:48
OK, that's, that's a good idea. And the set design standards are the roof needs to match the primary building, deciding the 00:49:52
primary building. So if it's a mobile, it looks like a prefab. Yeah, yeah. OK. OK. Yeah, that's, that's a good idea. I'll, I'll 00:49:57
include that in there. 00:50:01
Umm. 00:50:08
Then license amount revocation we included this umm. 00:50:10
Umm, that if somebody does have an Adu license, but they do have. 00:50:14
Umm, zoning violation. This is a method that we can use to umm. 00:50:18
Help them come into compliance. Umm, this would be helpful. For example, if they do have if they're operating their home as a 00:50:23
duplex where they're renting out the top and basement that they have an active Adu license. 00:50:27
We can now revoke it. 00:50:32
Umm, we just want to have that language in there to back this up. 00:50:34
Umm, it has a lot of may again, just to talk with the attorney. Yeah, Yeah, OK. 00:50:39
When I see I I was involved in code enforcement once where? 00:50:47
This was. 00:50:51
In another city in another state, so I'm OK sharing it. 00:50:52
Where we were getting. 00:50:55
As a code enforcement officer, lots of push from. 00:50:57
A certain person of high standing in our community who didn't like their neighbor. 00:51:02
And so they said hit him with everything. And we have words like may. So it means, yeah, you can get him with that. 00:51:06
I want to be fair and I want to be good and so. 00:51:12
That's the only reason I, yeah, we'll, we'll work on that to kind of create kind of a. 00:51:15
Uh, standard on how we will determine if it will be. 00:51:20
Umm, maybe do a comparable sign for the word what may or I don't make sure in May. I think maybe we should just challenge the 00:51:23
yeah. 00:51:28
OK. 00:51:35
Umm, I think this is maybe the last section is home occupations. Umm, and I think we actually did review some of this with you 00:51:36
already before, but we've made quite a bit of updates with this with, with Kelly, our business licensing person. Umm, and here we 00:51:40
just. 00:51:44
Umm, we broke off some of the permitted and not permitted language. It was very confusing. Umm it was like I'm not permitted uses. 00:51:50
It was like medical practitioners and veterinarian services. 00:51:55
And it's like, are they related? Is it like that medical uses? And so we did wanted to be very straightforward on here are the 00:52:00
types of uses in here that that we allow. And here's what we don't. Umm, so we included personal care services. 00:52:07
Tracking, home cooking and sales, music lessons, tutoring, general education. 00:52:13
And then animal hobby breeders and pet pet grooming. 00:52:17
Umm, we do have definitions in our code that that differentiate between a commercial. 00:52:20
Umm, grooming and commercial breeder compared to a hobby breeder. So hobby breeders, somebody who has, you know, two dogs that are 00:52:26
super rare or whatev. I don't know anything about that, but and they want to bring them. 00:52:31
Uh, we, we will allow that. Umm, they will have to, you know, go get a license and there are standards that they do have to 00:52:38
follow. 00:52:41
Umm but we would not allow commercial anyway. The ones that we are not permitting would be medical practitioner, medical class. 00:52:45
Veterinarian services, animal hoarding, pet day care, vehicle sales that are that include vehicle services that include but not 00:52:51
limited to repair, painting, maintenance sales. 00:52:56
Same thing with recreational vehicles and then major appliance repair. 00:53:01
Do you have any questions on that? 00:53:05
Or anything you want to include, anything you want to take off. We had a meeting a while back about medical practitioner about if 00:53:07
somebody does massages or if they do certain not did. 00:53:12
Is that defined? Yeah, we, we are creating the definition of that be very specific medical practitioner, somebody who's a licensed 00:53:18
individual, umm, giving medical. 00:53:22
Whether it's a procedure, advice. 00:53:27
Umm, we actually do allow like, like there's a lot of doctors with uh. 00:53:29
Telehealth, we do allow them to do that because they're not actually practicing. 00:53:33
Or not communication. Yeah, yeah. Umm, But somebody who does like Botox, this would be very specific that that is a medical 00:53:36
practice. 00:53:40
Umm, you are injecting somebody with something and you have to be licensed. 00:53:44
Umm. And so that is now very specific in here on what that is. 00:53:47
Umm, I have a question. I mean, we're giving people to talk about this last time, but umm, if we're. 00:53:53
How are we, umm, enforcing that? 00:53:59
So it's all through the license. So if you know, if you had a business that you, umm, you were a vet and you wanted to open a 00:54:01
little vet shop in your house, you'd apply for business and we deny it. If you did anyways, then just through code enforcement. 00:54:08
Umm. And in some instances we could involve the the uh. 00:54:15
Sheriff's Office system does continue operating business. 00:54:19
That we deem it to be unsafe. 00:54:22
Under the vehicle services with this includes it has painting. 00:54:24
Maintenance or sales repair and know of someone that does vehicle wrapping? Does that include that? 00:54:28
So because we do say uh, vehicle services that are that include but not limited to umm. 00:54:35
Umm, we probably would include vehicle wrapping. I would in. 00:54:40
Was that in a similar fashion as painting and just kind of changing the exterior of the vehicle? It causes a lot of issues because 00:54:44
it's in a neighborhood that doesn't have, I think I know exactly what you're talking about, all the parking, so I I can include 00:54:48
that specific language. 00:54:53
Just say wrapping is is not permitted. Yeah, umm. 00:54:58
I think it would be helpful because I think. 00:55:02
That's a good time. 00:55:04
Let's see that. 00:55:05
It's I think it's this is. 00:55:07
Any sort of vehicle services are gonna be very disruptive within I. I think that is resolved with the current language with #2. 00:55:09
Where home occupations are limited to only one customer at a time and by appointment only, and they can. That's where our code 00:55:17
enforcement needs to mail them and and that's where if we don't get a complaint, we don't. 00:55:23
Know to go after it and even if we do they can provide and you know, if somebody is doing a vehicle wrapping business, they could 00:55:30
say, yeah, you know, a customer comes in, they make an appointment, they drop off their car and they leave. But then they have 10 00:55:34
cars parked because they have 10 clients. 00:55:39
I showed up at one time but at different times then. 00:55:44
On the next one where it says conditions that apply to all home occupation types and you talk about utility. 00:55:47
Yeah, get rid of the word utilities because then it says the home occupation shall not have demand on municipal services, 00:55:53
including the public right of way. 00:55:57
If you just Scroll down to the end there. 00:56:04
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mainly just like, oh, they're not using. 00:56:06
Electricity and gas, but. 00:56:10
I mean the public graduate municipal service as well. 00:56:12
Yeah. And we've talked about in for our business licenses, uh, there are a lot of things that. 00:56:15
People can't do if. 00:56:21
But there are a lot of things. We left it. We specifically left the door open that people can do a lot of things. Yeah, because 00:56:24
people should be able to do every anything they want. 00:56:28
As long as they're not serving people around them, right? If nobody knows that you drove a car into your garage and you're 00:56:33
wrapping it in your garage like. 00:56:37
By all means do that, or if. 00:56:42
Somebody like I know people, umm, repair old cars. 00:56:43
And eventually fell over and stuff like that. If if they're not having a disturbance, then it. 00:56:48
It I think that it should be permitted and we're pretty strict with what people aren't allowed to do in those situations. 00:56:55
Uh, from. 00:57:00
For cars specifically, we talked about. 00:57:02
Uh, they can't have any kind of equipment outside. They have to have a garage door closed. 00:57:05
They can't have cars or UMM engines or anything like that outside of UMM. 00:57:10
Uh, the garage, yeah. Uh, it can't be visible at all. So, so are you just kind of saying that we already have kind of the tools to 00:57:16
work through these problems that. 00:57:22
So do you think we should remove a lot of this like the vehicle? So because I I do see actually your point of like if somebody 00:57:27
did, they had a hobby of picking up old cars and telling them about would that be a business though it it could be. And at that 00:57:33
point like, yeah, are they actually going out and getting a license or doing that? Yeah. 00:57:39
So I I don't think that it's necessary, but we and because we already have the code to enforce these things, I don't think we need 00:57:46
to. 00:57:49
Yeah, we're, we're more. 00:57:53
Judging it based off of the impact rather than the use. 00:57:54
I think impact is the keyword there and so if we are making. 00:57:58
Uh, any amendments? It's really just that section about utilities. 00:58:02
Yeah. So how much they should not have a demand. 00:58:06
Beyond what typical residential uses you can say. 00:58:09
Customer visits or whatever, we're both, we, we even have a what a traditional house has. 00:58:14
In our in our umm business. 00:58:20
License stuff there is very specific. People cannot park on the street, they have to have a parking spot off. 00:58:23
They can only have this many people that come every day. Like it's very specific. Yeah, I, I think the hard thing is everybody can 00:58:29
agree to that. But then when it comes down to it and you have AV4 wrapping business that's really successful, you're not gonna 00:58:35
turn down the client for. But you get a complaint, right. But yeah, you're right. It is once you get the complaint that we can, 00:58:40
you know, do something about it. Don't turn people down. But you say, awesome, come on Thursday. 00:58:45
Yeah, OK, let me make a note of that. 00:58:51
So yeah, I don't wanna, I don't wanna restrict people from having at home businesses because I have, uh. 00:58:56
Oh yeah, I forgot to include. We're gonna remove anything associated with the skateboard and. 00:59:03
Not permitted. 00:59:09
That was way restricted before. 00:59:11
OK. Yeah, I'll, I'll work on on changing that up just so it kind of points more towards. 00:59:15
The exactly what you're talking about and put something that says please see. 00:59:19
Yeah. 00:59:24
OK, umm, we another thing we wanted to include is something about aggregate impact if somebody had multiple home occupations. 00:59:25
Which we don't want to deny them from, but we want to make sure that their impact is equal to a total of 1 Umm. 00:59:32
Umm, which I think makes pretty common sense there. Umm another one was nonprofit organizations. If they are nonprofit 00:59:39
organization with impact, they have to follow the standards here. 00:59:44
Umm. 00:59:49
And then, uh, we're including a section thing that the city can require or yeah, may require inspections to determine compliance. 00:59:51
This is mostly if somebody does say, hey, I wanna do this with my home occupation. 00:59:57
And we're a little iffy on. If that meets our standards, we can request to. 01:00:04
Umm, come to a brief inspection. 01:00:09
Umm, and then, uh, a license that you wrote upon any violation of requirements or conditions. 01:00:12
I think pretty, uh, simple there. 01:00:18
Umm, once again, the board may we do want to include is that the hard thing is is you know, let's say, you know, uh. 01:00:20
Bryce is. He has a simple code violation of. 01:00:28
I don't know. You have some weeds in your yard. Are we then gonna go remove your business license for that code violation? 01:00:33
I don't know if that's fair if the planning director despises. 01:00:38
Honestly, I I joke. Yeah, that's what I'm trying to. I'll look into the language to see if there's something we can do to. 01:00:43
Umm, rework it so we can have this. Yeah, some a certain amount of warnings or something. 01:00:49
OK. And then yeah, that the very last thing is the utilities, the homework creation shall not have demand of Neosporin utility 01:00:59
services. 01:01:03
Or community facilities in excess of those usually in customer provided for residential uses. 01:01:07
I'm not wrong slideshow here. 01:01:13
Umm, and I'll, I'll include that word, it says including the right of way to show that people cannot use the street for their 01:01:14
business. 01:01:17
Umm, as you mentioned, but. 01:01:21
Umm. We just thought that was important to to include. 01:01:24
Umm, And then business management, I think we talked to you guys about this, umm. 01:01:26
At the very first work session where we had this idea that like if people wanted to, it was like once a year they could hold an 01:01:30
event where they had more than one customer come to their house. 01:01:35
And the idea was like, I don't know, a Pampered Chef party or something like that. But then we determined that's gonna be way too 01:01:40
hard for staff to ever enforce. And then if that becomes a problem, we'll just use code enforcement. And that's when it goes back 01:01:46
to what's typical for a neighborhood. Yeah, People have parties. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Every Tuesday and Thursday. 01:01:53
Yeah, yeah. That's not typical. But now and then, yeah, yeah. So that's that's exactly why I removed it because we'll just use 01:01:59
code enforcement. 01:02:04
Areas where it becomes a problem. 01:02:08
So I think that is everything I have. 01:02:11
So are there any sections or anything like that you have comments on? 01:02:14
Umm, but I, I thank you guys for going through all this with us. It's been a. 01:02:17
Long few months of review on the code and and hopefully umm. 01:02:22
Umm, sometime, maybe early February, we'll have this time all finalized and ready for you. 01:02:26
Umm, to to get kind of any final feedback before it goes to to City Council? 01:02:30
Cool. 01:02:35
David, do you have anything that you that we maybe missed or? 01:02:37
Over here. All right. Thank you so much cash. I know this stuff is kind of mind numbing. 01:02:42
But. 01:02:48
You guys are doing a good job. 01:02:48
UMM staff, Commission and committee reports. 01:02:50
Umm, did you guys have anything? 01:02:54
I am so excited to say that. 01:02:56
Seth is moving forward with the State Park. 01:03:00
Like it's cool that it's my last meeting and the whole purpose of me being on the Planning Commission, I feel like, is to get this 01:03:02
State Park happening so. 01:03:07
Uh, I'm excited that there's actually stuff that's happening. Umm. 01:03:12
There will be umm Flyers going out there with umm, a survey that you can take and a link to, uh donate. 01:03:16
Umm, we've already received a donation, right? Yeah, we've received a donation where, uh, we're in talks with some businesses for 01:03:24
donations. Umm. 01:03:28
And, uh, things are looking really positive, so. 01:03:33
Uh, be on the lookout for that. It's exciting. Umm. 01:03:37
I think it'll be great for our many, many, many children and youth that have been Vineyard. 01:03:41
Umm, yeah, that's all I had, uh, staffed here with everything. 01:03:47
Umm, I don't think so. We uh, I can give a brief update on the, the City Hall, uh, project. So we did have that RP go out. Today 01:03:52
is actually the final day for any proposal to be submitted. 01:03:57
Umm, the staff will be reviewing that over the next two weeks and then it'll go to the council to approve on, uh, an architecture 01:04:03
firm to, to start the design for the City Hall project. Mm-hmm. 01:04:08
So that'll be early next year, so that that takes place, OK. 01:04:13
Cool. 01:04:17
Uh, if that's everything. 01:04:18
We do a big public thank you, umm, thank you for your service. We give you a round of applause, but it would be very loud. 01:04:20
Thank you. 01:04:31
All right. Thank you so much, Jeff. Uh, it's been a great eight years and, uh. 01:04:32
Yeah. We'll, we'll, we'll see here from you. And for the first time in eight years, like do you use the capital? 01:04:36
Umm, alright, I'm gonna use the gavel. I'm gonna have it on video. 01:04:43
OK, meeting adjourned. 01:04:48
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