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| Welcome, David to the Vineyard Planning Commission meeting. | 00:00:21 | |
| Today is December 18th, 2024. It is. | 00:00:25 | |
| 6:02 PM And we'll get things started. And Natalie Harper is gonna give us a pledge. Uh. | 00:00:30 | |
| Pledge of Allegiance and an invocation. All right, pledge first. All right, let's do that. | 00:00:37 | |
| United States of America. | 00:00:43 | |
| And the public which you stand. | 00:00:47 | |
| One nation under God, indivisible liberty and justice for all. | 00:00:49 | |
| That's great. | 00:00:56 | |
| Father, we thank you for your goodness to us. We thank you for this evening and for every minute and hour that you give us. | 00:00:58 | |
| Yeah. So this would be a productive time. | 00:01:04 | |
| Where we are thoughtful and mindful of our present and our future and the gift that it is to us and that we would be umm. | 00:01:07 | |
| Thoughtful as well and kind in our remarks and give us with them. And we ask all these things in Jesus name, Amen. | 00:01:14 | |
| You, Natalie. | 00:01:23 | |
| All right, we'll move to public comments. David, you got anything for us? | 00:01:24 | |
| Mm-hmm. | 00:01:28 | |
| Umm, I I really still have some questions. | 00:01:30 | |
| So David Luray resident. | 00:01:35 | |
| So I've. | 00:01:38 | |
| I, I've heard rumors that we're, uh, having discussions. | 00:01:39 | |
| Umm about the umm. | 00:01:43 | |
| Part 2 of the Homesteads Development. | 00:01:46 | |
| OK, umm, the city is having discussions with them and about they like to change the zoning for that area and what it's currently | 00:01:48 | |
| is, which is uh. | 00:01:52 | |
| R1-8. | 00:01:56 | |
| To, uh, something to allow a little more density like. | 00:01:58 | |
| I use like the book kind of out there right now next to it pod in pod one, which one is pod 2 again? It's this the field, uh, | 00:02:02 | |
| between the school and the first cul-de-sac. Yeah, this this South of school. OK, yeah. And and it and it ends with the cul-de-sac | 00:02:08 | |
| first cul-de-sac on off the whole way Rd. on the whoa, each side of the holy, holy Rd. OK. | 00:02:14 | |
| So that's umm anyway. And. And so there's a. | 00:02:21 | |
| And I was talking about a list of all the wonderful things that. | 00:02:25 | |
| The, uh, developer is going to give us. | 00:02:28 | |
| Like I'm gonna get the 10 foot wide trail. Umm, you know, down there, you know. And so to connect, uh, go long hallway Rd. then | 00:02:30 | |
| connect over to the sports bar. | 00:02:34 | |
| And they were going to give us, uh, no additional entrances on the Hallway Rd. | 00:02:38 | |
| And a couple things like that. And though, and if I looked, I went back and got my match from, from, uh, 2017 from there when they | 00:02:43 | |
| were we talked about that last. | 00:02:48 | |
| Here at this meeting. | 00:02:52 | |
| And they, umm, those were already on the table. We already have those. There's, there's not like he's giving us anything new for | 00:02:54 | |
| that. | 00:02:57 | |
| So I just want to say that if by chance you all get to be involved in. | 00:03:01 | |
| Any discussions about that? Would you please keep in mind that umm. | 00:03:05 | |
| That that, uh. | 00:03:08 | |
| The what that that those are new offerings. | 00:03:10 | |
| He is asking for something more. | 00:03:12 | |
| Giving us the same thing. | 00:03:14 | |
| And so if he really, really wants to do that badly and the city really feels the necessity makes a higher density. | 00:03:16 | |
| Umm. | 00:03:22 | |
| I would not be in favor of that personally, but uh, if that's the case then please make sure you're getting something good from | 00:03:24 | |
| him return. | 00:03:28 | |
| So, uh, that's, that's number one, number two. | 00:03:32 | |
| About the same same issue. | 00:03:35 | |
| Umm, well, some reasons. Because some reasons for for considering not going to higher density. | 00:03:37 | |
| Umm, there is that we've umm, in the city. We're doing a lot with high density already and the idea is. | 00:03:43 | |
| The idea he's selling as as I understand it, is that these make great start better starter homes right now. | 00:03:48 | |
| Uh, single family dwelling is O is out of reach of most uh people starting out. | 00:03:54 | |
| Umm, I see, that's a good point. | 00:03:59 | |
| Umm, however. | 00:04:01 | |
| If we do, uh, do do that, then we'll, we'll be making even more, uh. | 00:04:03 | |
| You know, then it'll be more higher than ever everywhere else and we'll have more. | 00:04:09 | |
| Starter home and more people just starting out. | 00:04:12 | |
| Who will financially not be as able to contribute other ways to the city? | 00:04:15 | |
| Umm, you know, we are. We're also compared to, uh, Cottonwood Heights because we have similar sizes. | 00:04:19 | |
| But the difference there is that that is that, uh, they have a lot more business. So they have their tax base there and that and | 00:04:26 | |
| also they have the. | 00:04:29 | |
| Also, there are a lot more. | 00:04:32 | |
| We we because nowadays $1,000,000 homes, I mean any, anything. | 00:04:34 | |
| Bigger than the. | 00:04:38 | |
| 3rd of an acre with a big house is $1,000,000 anymore. | 00:04:39 | |
| So, uh, they have a lot more of those and so they have a lot more people who are further along in the, in the, in their path | 00:04:42 | |
| through life and, and probably that are able to support things like the latest 5K run or. | 00:04:47 | |
| The, uh, can our sponsoring part of the booth, Palooza and things like that. | 00:04:53 | |
| Uh, and so we don't have a lot of that in our city, if you think about it, we have the lake fronts, umm. | 00:04:58 | |
| And we have the. | 00:05:03 | |
| So, so the the shore, that's that's why the shores and the Hamptons. | 00:05:05 | |
| And we have a sleepy Ridge and. | 00:05:08 | |
| Maybe a few other houses scattered throughout, Uh. | 00:05:11 | |
| But not a real solid development of. | 00:05:14 | |
| Of higher end homes. | 00:05:17 | |
| And so we really don't, uh, so if we end up catering to lots and lots and lots. | 00:05:18 | |
| Of starter homes, I mean, at one-on-one hand that's nice to give people a product to move into. The other hand, we're limiting our | 00:05:23 | |
| our ability as a city to be able to fund ourselves. | 00:05:28 | |
| And and you know, because all because all those folks will be more than paying properties actually less overall. | 00:05:33 | |
| And so we, we, we. | 00:05:39 | |
| We need to be careful that we're, besides growing our business base, we should be focusing on, we should also be making sure that | 00:05:40 | |
| as our residential standpoint, our property tax base doesn't get, you know, uh. | 00:05:46 | |
| Washed out or diluted? | 00:05:52 | |
| Now, so give me give me a good balance there would be good. So those are some arguments I would I would leave you in in favor of | 00:05:54 | |
| keeping it as is. | 00:05:58 | |
| Umm, the R18 is still a pretty, uh, high. It's a medium density. It's just. | 00:06:02 | |
| Barely medium density from from high density. Umm, it's, uh, and. | 00:06:08 | |
| You know, a 600 square 606,000 foot square foot. | 00:06:12 | |
| A lot is somewhere between the 7th and the 8th of an acre. | 00:06:16 | |
| It's just, uh. | 00:06:20 | |
| This tiny. | 00:06:21 | |
| And I mean, they'll, they'll, they'll, they won't have much bondable if they build a house on that, you know? | 00:06:22 | |
| So I, I, it really is, umm, it is pretty high density already and I think that we need more of that kind of product as well for | 00:06:27 | |
| our city. | 00:06:31 | |
| So those are my comments. Thank you. Thank you, David. | 00:06:36 | |
| Mm-hmm. Uh, I haven't heard anything about this. I can, I can, uh, speak up a little bit on this. | 00:06:39 | |
| Umm, we have a meeting with Michaelson with Homework Center Construction on UMM possibly looking at changes to POD 2. UMM, can't | 00:06:43 | |
| quite get into the details, but uh, probably January or February or next year. | 00:06:49 | |
| Umm, they'll be approaching the the Planning Commission and City Council for an amendment to their development agreement. | 00:06:54 | |
| Umm, and at that point we can then, umm, work more with the public to see kind of what, what concerns people may have, like what, | 00:07:00 | |
| what David shared. Umm, and then, you know, essentially it's up to the Planning Commission and, and City Council on approval on, | 00:07:05 | |
| on whatever happens with their plan. | 00:07:09 | |
| All right, but but nothing is is really public right now. They have not committed any application or anything like that as of | 00:07:14 | |
| right now. OK. And the way I remember it as well, I remember the same way David is the. | 00:07:19 | |
| That umm, path is included in the current plans, like they have to complete the path that I, I, I actually haven't seen the | 00:07:24 | |
| original path. Even you know, you've been here longer than me, but you're probably right. And then that is there umm, but they | 00:07:29 | |
| have talked about a few other things. | 00:07:34 | |
| Umm, some included open space and possibly like cemetery land. | 00:07:39 | |
| We'll, we'll make sure when we when we have this question and Planning Commission. | 00:08:09 | |
| Umm, that we can show you kind of their original plan, like this is what was approved in 2017. This is what they're wanting to | 00:08:13 | |
| change to just to make sure you're comparing apples to apples and then. | 00:08:18 | |
| That's if or when it comes right, And that's right. And al also if there's umm. | 00:08:23 | |
| I would like to know like where we are on our density requirements to know what sort of leverage we have to your point data like | 00:08:28 | |
| where can we? | 00:08:31 | |
| So the state of Utah will never be done enough. | 00:08:35 | |
| For hitting anything if we're if we're sure I'd like to know that if you have that just so we can yeah, yeah, we could just go | 00:08:39 | |
| over like our modern income household conversation will continue to arrive. So I would like to know that marker and to know. | 00:08:46 | |
| What levers we have to pull to keep the density low? Yeah. And I imagine I like to catch this thing. There will be a work session | 00:08:54 | |
| 1st and then. Yeah. Yeah, it it won't, it won't be a quick, you know, 5 minute presentation and then we'll demand that you give us | 00:09:00 | |
| a vote. OK. We'll make sure you have a full analysis on the staff side. | 00:09:06 | |
| Umm, that you can, you know, make a full determination on on your recommendation to the City Council and one more point really | 00:09:12 | |
| quick was all right, but we haven't left that. | 00:09:16 | |
| Uh, comment period, yeah. So one more and, and that's the, the symmetry offering as I understand this 2 acres offering. Umm, I was | 00:09:20 | |
| looking at at the homesteads, uh. | 00:09:25 | |
| Oh, all the Hostess boundaries is. | 00:09:31 | |
| Umm, you have to be careful to make sure that 2 acres aligns with uh. | 00:09:33 | |
| Uh, some Parkland or something on the uh, in the hallway farms. | 00:09:38 | |
| Development area so that we actually could make the cemetery out of it. | 00:09:43 | |
| Uh, it it just. | 00:09:46 | |
| I understand they're like 5 acres. | 00:09:48 | |
| Yeah, that, that'll all be it. It's hard to say what this is without having to plan in front of the hard line there. Just make | 00:09:50 | |
| sure that they line up. Otherwise you, you know, yeah, we'll, we'll make sure that one, you know, once this plan is ready for the, | 00:09:55 | |
| the Planning Commission in the public that, that we've kind of gone through that. | 00:10:01 | |
| And then once again, you know, if there are things that, that we met, we're, we're more than happy to, to give public feedback | 00:10:07 | |
| and, and work with the developer on, on any changes. | 00:10:11 | |
| Umm, that you can necessary if they do want to approve. Yeah, so cool. | 00:10:15 | |
| Cool. Thanks, Kevin. | 00:10:21 | |
| Uh, well, I won't be on the Planning Commission when that happens. I'll, I'll be here for sure. | 00:10:22 | |
| Uh, thanks David. | 00:10:28 | |
| Uh, moving to the consent items approval for the November 6th, 2024 Planning Commission meeting minutes. | 00:10:31 | |
| I have a motion on that. | 00:10:39 | |
| A motion. | 00:10:42 | |
| 10 seconds. | 00:10:44 | |
| Yeah, Bon Favor. | 00:10:45 | |
| All right, moving a business item 4.2 uh, should we put off the calendar until? | 00:10:47 | |
| We have more people. Can we have people that are? Yeah. I mean, I don't know if we need an official. | 00:10:53 | |
| Umm, motion, but I, I think we're actually sadly both of these items. It makes a lot more sense. I mean, it would be helpful to | 00:10:59 | |
| have the calendar approved before the new year just so we know what and and there if you look at the staff where there's no. | 00:11:05 | |
| I don't think there's anything taken off except for January 1st, 2nd, 1st. | 00:11:11 | |
| Umm, so does the you know, the standard person there Wednesday of the month, except for that first meeting in January, which is a | 00:11:16 | |
| combined planning session City Council meeting. | 00:11:20 | |
| Umm. | 00:11:25 | |
| I have a question, yeah actually umm. So I'm about to start umm a busy or travel season for my job. Is it possible for me to to do | 00:11:26 | |
| a zoom? | 00:11:31 | |
| And for these, if I'm not, yeah, we have been able to set up for electronic connection before. I'll I'll have to talk with him on | 00:11:36 | |
| how that works and if, if you're connected online, if that. | 00:11:41 | |
| If you can be like a sitting member or if. | 00:11:47 | |
| You can't, but I'll, I'll talk to him and figure that out. Umm. | 00:11:50 | |
| I think we should be OK unless you want to maybe umm. | 00:11:53 | |
| Do a modified calendar. Just I I don't know the like legal process here Umm. | 00:11:59 | |
| On saying that, the first meeting will be held and the calendar can be determined on January 8. | 00:12:03 | |
| Umm, that would be the first meeting that we're closing and then from there, hopefully more members of the Commission are here | 00:12:09 | |
| and. | 00:12:12 | |
| You can vote on a full calendar at that meeting. | 00:12:15 | |
| Perfect. I believe January 8th is actually a City Council meeting that we're doing an ombudsman training. It's it's a combined | 00:12:18 | |
| Planning Commission City Council meeting. So we we did include it on the calendar. But I'm saying if we just say this calendar can | 00:12:25 | |
| be approved or will be reviewed and approved on January 8th at a Planning Commission meeting, I think that should be OK. Fine. | 00:12:31 | |
| OK, when? | 00:12:39 | |
| Sorry, no, go ahead, couple. | 00:12:40 | |
| Uh, business questions? Umm. | 00:12:42 | |
| Do we have nominations or appointees? Umm. | 00:12:45 | |
| At the start of the new year for the Planning Commission, Yeah. So we, we don't have any as of right now. The the mayor may choose | 00:12:47 | |
| to and the council may choose to do that on the 8. | 00:12:51 | |
| Umm, sometimes it does take them a little bit longer to. | 00:12:56 | |
| Umm, go through that process. | 00:13:00 | |
| Umm, I know that that they are aware that that prices umm retiring umm and that will need a a new. | 00:13:02 | |
| Commission Member. | 00:13:09 | |
| Umm. | 00:13:10 | |
| What I would. | 00:13:12 | |
| I'd like to make a motion that we adopt the calendar. | 00:13:14 | |
| Umm, just approving the. | 00:13:18 | |
| Meetings of the 8th and the 15th. | 00:13:20 | |
| Because I feel like some of these business items would be more appropriate on the 15th when meeting as just us rather than also | 00:13:23 | |
| with the account. That'd be fine too. Helpful setting. | 00:13:27 | |
| Uh, I don't really wanna necessarily rain on their parade with. | 00:13:32 | |
| Some of our day-to-day business stuff, I think that's more appropriate for the 15th. OK, So, uh, that has made a motion to delay | 00:13:35 | |
| item 4.2 until the uh 15th meeting, but also approving, uh. | 00:13:41 | |
| The meetings for January 8th and January 15th. | 00:13:48 | |
| Can I drive a second? | 00:13:52 | |
| Second, all in favor, all right. | 00:13:53 | |
| All right, then item 4.3, uh, before we delay this, make a motion to delay this. | 00:13:55 | |
| I would like to put in that I think the name would make a great Planning Commission there. He's very, he's very level headed. I | 00:14:01 | |
| really appreciate having him on the, uh, Planning Commission. And so while we're not taking that now, I just want it on the | 00:14:06 | |
| record. | 00:14:12 | |
| A great chair. | 00:14:19 | |
| Umm, I moved the house. Umm, this pushed to another date. Alright, well alright. No, it's all good. Uh, do you want to move it to | 00:14:21 | |
| the 15th also? | 00:14:27 | |
| Umm, I I think that would be a more appropriate time because that's when we'll have a more full body, OK. | 00:14:33 | |
| Umm, but I wanna get both of your opinions. | 00:14:39 | |
| I I think that would be. I think that makes sense too. | 00:14:42 | |
| Yeah, I think so. It's just the three of us and and you're moving off. Umm, we wanna give other. | 00:14:45 | |
| People and opportunity they want to. | 00:14:51 | |
| Alright, do I have a second? | 00:14:54 | |
| One second, all in favor. All right, all right. That's being moved. | 00:14:55 | |
| Umm, and we'll move right into the work session for the 2024 zoning text amendment. Oh. | 00:14:59 | |
| Cash, You got this or Anthony? Yeah, this is gonna be me, OK. | 00:15:06 | |
| We're trying something new here, even. | 00:15:09 | |
| All right, that's for presentation so I can take note. | 00:15:12 | |
| Umm, yeah, just as a quick refresher in the past. | 00:15:15 | |
| Do you find a question meetings? We've been kind of going over some updates we're making to the the plan or to the zoning code. | 00:15:18 | |
| There should hopefully be the last work session, umm after this one we will eventually made all the changes that you guys have | 00:15:23 | |
| requested. | 00:15:27 | |
| For the previous meetings and then we, umm, can do one last meeting where we just review every single thing, every other change | 00:15:31 | |
| and then essentially that needs a recommendation and that will go to City Council for approval and, and we'll work with them from | 00:15:35 | |
| that point on. | 00:15:39 | |
| Umm so this is the last section it did look like if you look through the the notes here and also I need to note that I did not | 00:15:44 | |
| include the presentation. | 00:15:48 | |
| Because I got it finished at like 5:50 today. Umm. | 00:15:52 | |
| But I essentially. | 00:15:55 | |
| Uh, the Word document that was, umm, with this. | 00:15:57 | |
| Umm, staff report is everything in that presentation. I just have it. | 00:16:00 | |
| In a different umm. | 00:16:04 | |
| And then we'll both all the time. | 00:16:06 | |
| Umm, anyway. | 00:16:08 | |
| Umm, I'll just go through these. | 00:16:10 | |
| Oh sure, uh, there is paper copies over there even if you do want. | 00:16:12 | |
| The slide, yeah, if you want to look at that, that's true. | 00:16:17 | |
| Take a copy Umm, so the slide show I just condensed most of of what you'll see in the paper copy umm, just to make it a little bit | 00:16:21 | |
| easier to read. Umm, and I'll go through each section. Feel free to stop me anytime if you do have questions or you, you have | 00:16:25 | |
| other changes that that you see. | 00:16:30 | |
| Umm for the first section 1502 which is title, authority, purpose and declaration of intent and effective date. | 00:16:35 | |
| Umm, we just, we add a title. So everywhere you'll see in green applications, building structures, applicability, minimum | 00:16:41 | |
| requirements. | 00:16:45 | |
| Those are all added and then we just cleaned up some language. Umm. | 00:16:49 | |
| Umm, that was we we thought was confusing or archaic. A lot of this total. | 00:16:53 | |
| Originally adopted with the very first joint code in like 2014 or something like that. | 00:16:57 | |
| Umm, a lot of it was just copy and paste it from other jurisdictions. So we just wanted to clean it up, umm, as much as possible. | 00:17:01 | |
| Umm. | 00:17:08 | |
| Let's see. | 00:17:11 | |
| Hold on. | 00:17:15 | |
| 1506 land use authorities and officers. So this is one that probably there might be some more conversation to be had on it. | 00:17:17 | |
| Umm, right now our our code does require that we stagger the appointments of Planning Commission members so that not more than | 00:17:24 | |
| one, umm, renewal is. | 00:17:28 | |
| UMM members terms are to be staggered so that no more than one term shall expire each year when you have 8 Commission members. | 00:17:33 | |
| Technically impossible to accomplish. We've looked at other cities. I talked to Pam about this and he thought that 3 was an | 00:17:41 | |
| appropriate number. That's actually, we have a few right now. They're that way. So we just wanna make sure we are meeting our | 00:17:46 | |
| code. And so that's why we're, umm, suggesting to change it to three appointments. | 00:17:50 | |
| Umm, instead of one term. | 00:17:56 | |
| UMM can expire at the end of each year. | 00:17:58 | |
| Do you have any comments on that? | 00:18:01 | |
| OK, just before we keep going. Umm. | 00:18:04 | |
| The record. | 00:18:07 | |
| The city attorney has reviewed. No, no, no. So yeah, that'll be essentially the next step is once we've gotten all the comments | 00:18:08 | |
| from you, we will send it to him and he'll make sure that we're meeting state code and all that. And then it'll be a business item | 00:18:14 | |
| which will go down. Correct. Yes. This, this is just the work session just to talk And and yeah, we asked you to do some things | 00:18:19 | |
| last time. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. | 00:18:25 | |
| Umm, the next section is about the a a quorum. So quorum is is having three members here. Umm, and right now the the wording in | 00:18:30 | |
| this makes it. | 00:18:34 | |
| Makes it seem like. | 00:18:39 | |
| Umm, a vote requires the majority of the Planning Commission, which would actually be. | 00:18:41 | |
| Four to five people, umm. | 00:18:47 | |
| Umm, because of Planning Commission is made-up of eight people. Umm. | 00:18:49 | |
| And so we just added language to to sitting present members of the Planning Commission and that way, you know, if there's three of | 00:18:52 | |
| you here just requires that majority to to vote. | 00:18:56 | |
| Umm, Commission organization we included. | 00:19:01 | |
| No, it's. | 00:19:06 | |
| It's still have to be 3, wouldn't it let me? All actions of the Commission shall require the vote of a majority of the total | 00:19:07 | |
| sitting present members of the Commission. Oh. | 00:19:12 | |
| So up to three of us here, 2 if I need to be OK with it, that's the majority of who is there. | 00:19:17 | |
| I personally feel that it should be the majority of the total, regardless who's president of the Commission, not including the | 00:19:22 | |
| alternate. So we could do you want me to change it to that of the Commission not including the alternative? Yeah. I don't wanna | 00:19:28 | |
| speak to. I wanted to at least be three. OK. Yeah. Umm. | 00:19:33 | |
| We could say with the minimum, we could say of a minimum that makes sense majority of. | 00:19:39 | |
| Yeah, whatever. I'll, I'll, I'll work another way to word it, however I would like to hear. | 00:19:46 | |
| But the argument for this would be because it seemed right away we're all like we must go. Was there a reason? Yeah. And and that | 00:19:51 | |
| would be technically tonight if you had a site plan before you. | 00:19:55 | |
| You could not vote to approve it. | 00:20:00 | |
| With even though you have three of us, you have a form here and if we had a minimum thing, you need to have four people voting. | 00:20:02 | |
| OK. | 00:20:10 | |
| Which is fine. I don't think we've ever had an issue where. So what do you think? There's a minimum of three. Yeah. So even if we | 00:20:11 | |
| have stuff come forward, I don't think that there are issues. And if there are, if they are controversial enough that somebody's | 00:20:17 | |
| voting no, then I think that we should have more. OK. OK. | 00:20:23 | |
| Sorry, can you speak into the mic there? Are you OK if I just sure? Yeah, Yep. Thanks. | 00:20:31 | |
| The point of clear as long as you do that for everyone. | 00:20:35 | |
| So you're saying that we have umm? | 00:20:39 | |
| You'd have to have four or five to make a majority, but 5 sitting council members, anyone time right Commission members at one | 00:20:42 | |
| time, we alter it. Go ahead. So the majority of the five, it was the I guess I'll work on this language. So that doesn't a vote | 00:20:47 | |
| requires at least three people and that three people have to win a permanent. So in this case, the pipeline was here tonight. We | 00:20:53 | |
| wouldn't have to postpone that because we don't we we do have a quantum, but we don't have a majority of the total Commission, | 00:20:59 | |
| which is 8 people. | 00:21:05 | |
| And so we would still allow that vote to take place, but it has to be a unanimous vote among the three sitting members, even even | 00:21:11 | |
| if one of the people up here was an alternate. | 00:21:15 | |
| So it the way I, the way I see it, and we'll need to talk to Jamie about legality of it if there were two sitting members and then | 00:21:20 | |
| I'll send it up here. And it was, you know, the mess among the three. The alternate would be at that time a sitting member. Yeah. | 00:21:26 | |
| Yeah. When an alternate is sitting up here, they are considered a member of the Planning Commission. | 00:21:31 | |
| Yeah. So maybe just to say. | 00:21:37 | |
| Three. A minimum of three. | 00:21:40 | |
| But I'll let you figure that out, OK? Yeah, I'll, I'll work on that language and bring it back. I think before bringing it back, | 00:21:45 | |
| that is one worth sharing with the city attorney because we need to know what applicant rights there are and that we aren't being | 00:21:49 | |
| overly burdensome. | 00:21:53 | |
| With some of our rules. | 00:21:57 | |
| Yeah. | 00:21:58 | |
| I mean, even if with different City Council has only three council members and the City Council meeting, it has to be unanimous | 00:22:00 | |
| when they pass it. Yeah, Yeah. So we'll try to just make it equal to what the City Council minimums are. Yeah. | 00:22:06 | |
| OK umm Commission organization umm this just allows for the the Commission to umm elect a chair for them in case the chair can't | 00:22:13 | |
| vice chair are gone. | 00:22:17 | |
| Right now there's really no language to outline the process for that. | 00:22:22 | |
| Umm, so you just wanted to include that? | 00:22:26 | |
| Umm. Then you're, uh, the development. | 00:22:29 | |
| Let's see. Oh, the DRC. We're finally getting this in here. I was just gonna call you over. You're overdue. Umm. | 00:22:32 | |
| But it the the DRC membership right now essentially allows everybody to have a designee except for the Planning Commission chair. | 00:22:39 | |
| And we are now adding that language into the planning question, Chair. | 00:22:46 | |
| Umm, the next one. Super simple. Umm, just an establishment of districts. Let's just give a brief summary of what every district | 00:22:53 | |
| is the RMU RC. | 00:22:58 | |
| Umm, the GRMU was missing the road so we just include that. This is the definition straight from the DRU code language. No changes | 00:23:04 | |
| or anything like that to it. | 00:23:09 | |
| I did have a quick question on the zoning map. This was an issue that was brought up when the. | 00:23:14 | |
| All right, pump, hold away farm, OK. | 00:23:19 | |
| And the map has different coloring for different zoning. | 00:23:23 | |
| Do we wanna define the zoning for future developments? Because they're still. | 00:23:26 | |
| Zoning on the map that is low density. | 00:23:32 | |
| But uh, so, oh, so you're saying like of of this density equals this many years per acre? Yeah. | 00:23:35 | |
| Umm, I I can talk to I I know exactly what you're talking about where people were saying this is high density when it's. | 00:23:43 | |
| Other people were saying this is actually low density and it's like we called it low medium density because we don't have any | 00:23:49 | |
| definitions. The So it was zoned as low density and the developer came in with a plan that eventually got approved by the City | 00:23:54 | |
| Council but denied by the Planning Commission. | 00:23:59 | |
| That, uh, has a greater density than all of our medium density in the city. | 00:24:04 | |
| And they said that it was low density because of some. | 00:24:10 | |
| Yeah, yeah, some arbitrary. They thought that. | 00:24:13 | |
| And we didn't have a way to like have teeth in that, in that way. Super annoying. OK, yeah, I can include that in the the | 00:24:17 | |
| definitions of for each zone, kind of. | 00:24:21 | |
| What and, and I, I, I do remember having this conversation with, with Morgan when this whole thing came about. And I, I do | 00:24:26 | |
| remember him pushing back for some reason. I don't remember what that is, but I'll, I'll try to figure that out and bring that. | 00:24:32 | |
| It's one way or another. Umm, back to you guys, OK? Umm. | 00:24:38 | |
| The OK, yeah, this is the, the zoning map, umm, we just talked about like uncertainty, uncertainty regarding boundaries of various | 00:24:44 | |
| zones. So if you look at the zoning map, it just kind of has a, a line going down in different areas generally that that's along | 00:24:49 | |
| lot lines. | 00:24:53 | |
| Umm, but there are a few. Like for example, we're doing a pipeline right now for the eldest church along to the road where they | 00:24:58 | |
| have one lot that is put into two different zones. | 00:25:02 | |
| And so this language here just umm. | 00:25:07 | |
| Helps us simplify exactly how we determine which zone to rule that property as. | 00:25:09 | |
| Umm. | 00:25:14 | |
| And it. | 00:25:16 | |
| We, we did have that language in there before, umm, if you'll notice on the paper copy, everything in red sticking out is what was | 00:25:17 | |
| in there. We just tried to make that language a little bit easier to understand. | 00:25:22 | |
| Umm, the next one. This is probably a little bit more more complicated, the district use table. I tried to provide a a brief | 00:25:29 | |
| summary up at the top of everything we did, but if you look at our previous, our current. | 00:25:35 | |
| Umm, district ease table. It's pretty ugly. | 00:25:41 | |
| Umm. It's really hard to to find anything. Umm. | 00:25:44 | |
| Umm. And so actually, Madison spent. | 00:25:46 | |
| Countless hours redrawing a new table and putting it up, and then we'll have a residential category, a commercial category, and a, | 00:25:49 | |
| uh, public. | 00:25:54 | |
| I I only include those two in a paper copy actually, but we just split it up rather than having one long table. It just makes it | 00:25:59 | |
| easier to read. And then here are a few changes that we are making to it or suggesting that we make to it. | 00:26:05 | |
| Umm changing the short term rental from not permitted to permitted. | 00:26:11 | |
| Umm, as we've discussed in the past about umm, short term rentals, I think the first one of these umm work sessions that we did | 00:26:15 | |
| kind of creating the standards unfortunately. | 00:26:20 | |
| Umm, and we'll come back to that once again, umm, But right now it's just not permitted across the board. Right now we're changing | 00:26:25 | |
| to permitted, but with the subscript note thing, it has to follow the standards that we are working on getting approved. Umm. | 00:26:31 | |
| Umm and that's only in the single family home neighborhoods I believe, and maybe the RMU. | 00:26:38 | |
| Umm, then, uh, we added check cashing and other credit services. Umm, I know there's been some talk online about the city creating | 00:26:44 | |
| its own or allowing this type of use. | 00:26:50 | |
| Umm, but I did just want to reiterate that if we don't outline specific standards for different uses. | 00:26:56 | |
| Then we have to essentially use like this check cashing place wanted to come in, we would have to rule and just say this is a | 00:27:02 | |
| financial institution and it is governed by that standard, which is pretty low by creating standards for something like this. | 00:27:09 | |
| We can now put on some more requirements. So, and I think we went over those in the past of kind of having the distance | 00:27:17 | |
| requirements, total number of businesses we're allowing umm, so we're including that in the table. | 00:27:22 | |
| Umm, we are changing car wash from permitted to conditional in the army. | 00:27:28 | |
| Umm, we've had a lot of drama about car washes in the past. We didn't wanna just put in more kinda barriers there. | 00:27:33 | |
| Umm and so that would actually I believe they are only permitted now in the manufacturing of the FY zone, umm and the rest is | 00:27:38 | |
| conditional in any of our like commercial uh zones. | 00:27:44 | |
| Umm Event Center, we changed that from not permitted to conditional in the regional commercial. | 00:27:50 | |
| Uh, we added the mobile food court only being conditional in the RMU. | 00:27:56 | |
| Umm, we added re retail tobacco specialty business. So once again similar to that check cashing, we just we want to create | 00:28:01 | |
| standards for this and so. | 00:28:05 | |
| It's a conditional in the regional commercial. | 00:28:10 | |
| And then establish or attach to establishment, umm, we included on here because that wasn't anywhere and that is permitted in in | 00:28:13 | |
| most of our commercial zones, RMU, Gru, FMU, RC and NC. | 00:28:18 | |
| So if that, are there any? | 00:28:24 | |
| Yeah, umm, I have. I see no issues with the actual substance at the table and what we discussed. I feel like it's consistent. | 00:28:26 | |
| The only umm. | 00:28:33 | |
| Suggestion I have with formatting of the table. | 00:28:35 | |
| Is that the zoning district uses heading is only at the beginning of the table. | 00:28:38 | |
| And when it's on multiple pages sometimes I get lost. | 00:28:44 | |
| So that is what we could format that when it's actually published. | 00:28:48 | |
| That is a problem with technology. So to make a Long story short, we pay for uniscribed. | 00:28:52 | |
| Umm, I think you can describe that on Actually, I forgot the name of the Unicode Unicode. Thank you. Umm, Unicode. And they have | 00:28:58 | |
| two different softwares. We use this one as a self-publishing software and the tables that we're allowed to use are very | 00:29:06 | |
| restrictive. One method that we could do is every and every five rows. We could just include the zoning. | 00:29:13 | |
| So that it would be there so it's easy to follow so. | 00:29:20 | |
| But there's no way out with the notes. Was it uploaded? | 00:29:24 | |
| As a Word document. | 00:29:29 | |
| I believe this is. If it's in the future, is just uploaded as APDF, that would resolve that issue. | 00:29:31 | |
| Umm, but you can correct me if I'm wrong. | 00:29:36 | |
| So it's usually created in the software on the on the. | 00:29:41 | |
| You know, on the website itself. So you can't. | 00:29:45 | |
| Created in Word and just copy it inside. | 00:29:47 | |
| You can place it as a picture and it won't be clear enough. | 00:29:50 | |
| To work with. | 00:29:54 | |
| The file December 18th PC note. | 00:29:55 | |
| What's created within the system? Yeah. | 00:29:59 | |
| Yeah, we don't software like I said, it has so many. | 00:30:03 | |
| And it is for the most part but the table. | 00:30:06 | |
| Feature on it is the most frustrating thing in the world. I think Madison probably recreated this table two or three times because | 00:30:09 | |
| of the issues it had. And yeah, it was created in here. And then I took screenshots of it and created the note document that | 00:30:15 | |
| you're looking at. Like I said, substance wise, I don't see an issue with it. I just wanna make sure when it is published in the | 00:30:20 | |
| actual municipal code that is formatted in a friendly way, if that means you need to have some ribbons throughout it to remind us | 00:30:26 | |
| what the heck we're looking at. | 00:30:32 | |
| Then maybe that's how we do it. Umm, I just ask that you please consider that it's not Yeah, so I'll just user friendly. So yeah, | 00:30:38 | |
| I'll show you. So this is like I said, this is the updated table, what it looks like. | 00:30:43 | |
| Where we did put it and that that's the reason we just put it for now residential. | 00:30:49 | |
| It's a little easier to read. | 00:30:53 | |
| Umm, let me show you the Yeah, so original. Yeah, just the zoning district uses every. | 00:30:55 | |
| Yeah, yeah. So every, Yeah. So right now, like for example, if you wanted to find out motor vehicle fueling station and the RMU, | 00:31:01 | |
| you're then scrolling up here and then you have to go down here. You moved a little to the left or right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Every | 00:31:08 | |
| 10 or so. Alright, I'll have Madison do that. Take her a few hours. | 00:31:14 | |
| Thank you. | 00:31:21 | |
| OK, let me. | 00:31:23 | |
| Go back to this. | 00:31:24 | |
| OK anything else with the the district use table? | 00:31:35 | |
| OK, if not I can continue. | 00:31:42 | |
| OK. | 00:31:45 | |
| Umm. | 00:31:47 | |
| Oh, uh, one of the a few other things. This is not in the the paper copies. These are the things I. | 00:31:48 | |
| Umm, and that would be changing sports course right now in residential zone. If you want to put it back before in your backyard | 00:31:53 | |
| right now, you have to you're supposed to get a conditional use permit. | 00:31:59 | |
| There's plenty of sports, sports and vineyards and I don't think we see anything with conditional use permit for them. | 00:32:04 | |
| And so, you know, that's either we need to do better about catching that. | 00:32:09 | |
| Or we just change it permitted and require that they meet our standards about fencing that they can only put up, you know, a 10 | 00:32:13 | |
| foot tile fence around it or whatnot. | 00:32:17 | |
| Umm, so that that's really up to you guys on on what you think is the best route to go on that whether we. | 00:32:21 | |
| Just trying to catch these courses, they get bored or because I, I don't even get to go through a building permit right now. So | 00:32:27 | |
| it's really hard for us to even catch that in my home neighborhood. I, I, yeah, I don't think she was having it being permitted. | 00:32:33 | |
| Umm, my only one is we need to. | 00:32:39 | |
| There's people that are putting up like systems that are clear violations of the light code. And so it's just things. Be aware of | 00:32:42 | |
| that. Yeah. And at that point. | 00:32:46 | |
| And if people are doing electrical I believe, and the team might know this, would that require a building current they are putting | 00:32:50 | |
| in like permanent lighting? | 00:32:54 | |
| So we should catch that at that stage. | 00:32:58 | |
| I get that some people still might do some work themselves and don't get a permit, but in that state we should catch it. | 00:33:01 | |
| And and that's also another thing, if you do see it and it is having currency of a bright light shining into your window, let us | 00:33:07 | |
| know and we'll we'll do what we can enforce it. | 00:33:11 | |
| Umm, and then the other thing is we, we simplified the garage, detached garage language. Umm, it was just a really giant section | 00:33:17 | |
| of the, the district use table. | 00:33:22 | |
| And we just changed it to I think permitted with a subscription review. The code below just make the the table look better. | 00:33:27 | |
| OK, development agreement. | 00:33:36 | |
| Umm, we mostly just simplified language here. Umm. As you'll see in the the paper copy, everything in the wrap we're taking out | 00:33:38 | |
| bringing is all new. | 00:33:42 | |
| Umm And then the second section there says that that every development agreement is supposed to be reviewed by the City Council | 00:33:46 | |
| every year. | 00:33:50 | |
| And once again, I don't think that. | 00:33:55 | |
| So what happens often enough? And so we added some language that says the council or staff. | 00:33:57 | |
| Child review a development agreement and then if staff doesn't, they need to provide a report to the City Council on if they are | 00:34:04 | |
| meeting those obligations from the development agreement. So for example, right now with uh, Holdaway Field. | 00:34:10 | |
| Starting to develop a lot. Anthony's been going through their development agreement and saying, you know, when are we gonna get | 00:34:16 | |
| our 400 S Rd. connection? | 00:34:20 | |
| Are we making sure that they're up to date on their landscaping and all that and so. | 00:34:23 | |
| Umm, this just allows staff to do that. Report to the the umm. | 00:34:28 | |
| City Council? Umm, just because that's a lot more likely to get done than just the council receiving every development agreement. | 00:34:32 | |
| I don't even thought they're on that. | 00:34:39 | |
| That makes sense, So. | 00:34:41 | |
| Yeah, in the past, whenever I see stuff like this municipal code, you can usually tie that to. | 00:34:43 | |
| Years ago a certain development agreement got approved that members of the council that I really don't wanna approve this. And | 00:34:49 | |
| they said, well, what have we reviewed every year? Oh, OK. Yeah, that's usually where this is coming from. And if this was | 00:34:54 | |
| inherited from another community. | 00:34:58 | |
| Cool. Umm. I'm interested to see the origin of this particular one for Vineyard inherited from Provo. | 00:35:03 | |
| Or and Provo had a weird one. Or if this was something from a few years ago that. | 00:35:10 | |
| About a development agreement that we're concerned about. | 00:35:15 | |
| But I. | 00:35:18 | |
| Yeah, yeah, staff do it and then. | 00:35:19 | |
| Write up a summary every 12 months that can be on consent calendar unless there's something worth waiting. I wonder the last time | 00:35:23 | |
| that the development agreement for the Homestead was reviewed. Great question. Well, we're about to go ahead and ask you. | 00:35:30 | |
| 20 years ago. | 00:35:37 | |
| I'm curious so and and that would be good if it is in here, it would help create a practice in our department because right now if | 00:35:39 | |
| it's up to the council to review it then. | 00:35:43 | |
| You know, it's just not gonna happen. But right now if we do say for staff, that would then kind of create a mandate for us to do | 00:35:49 | |
| it and it would be kind of put on a yearly thing for us to provide for the council. Yeah. As far as single family housing, they're | 00:35:53 | |
| the only ones. | 00:35:58 | |
| Well, except for, I guess holdaway fields now that are still building and they've still got quite a lot left. Yeah, I think it | 00:36:03 | |
| could be wise to review that. | 00:36:07 | |
| Yeah, maybe when we're reviewing this Part 2, we could look back at the whole development agreement as well, just to make sure. | 00:36:12 | |
| Yeah, Mm-hmm. | 00:36:19 | |
| Cool. | 00:36:22 | |
| OK, uh. | 00:36:23 | |
| Umm. | 00:36:24 | |
| OK, yeah, uh, permanent uses this essentially, umm, it it just was a little confusing at the beginning because it, it sounds like | 00:36:27 | |
| that the plan or the city planner gets to review and render a final decision for every, uh. | 00:36:34 | |
| Permitted use application that comes into the city Umm. | 00:36:40 | |
| Umm and I I just wanted to create some language to differentiate. | 00:36:43 | |
| What the Planning Commission approves versus what the city planner approved. | 00:36:46 | |
| So for example like a building or if a business wants to move into an already existing structure. | 00:36:50 | |
| That is something the planning department can review. We say, oh, this is a permitted use. | 00:36:56 | |
| They're allowed to to move into here, but if it's a site plan, of course the site plan, we want the Planning Commission to to look | 00:36:59 | |
| at it. Same thing single family home finding. | 00:37:03 | |
| Or the the planner does approve that, not the Planning Commission. So we just wanted to create that language in there. Umm, and | 00:37:07 | |
| most of this is redundant in the site planning umm section as well, just differentiating the the two. | 00:37:13 | |
| Umm, then approval standards. We were removed from redundant language. It was just. | 00:37:19 | |
| You know, essentially laid out everything that we review. Umm, but it's also like. | 00:37:26 | |
| Every site plan needs to comply with the requirements of the zoning district and then it includes all these different things like. | 00:37:31 | |
| The just different standards height set back all that, but that's something that's just in the zoning standards. So we thought | 00:37:37 | |
| that language is was not necessary. | 00:37:41 | |
| Umm, conditional uses. | 00:37:46 | |
| Umm, this one. We did uh, include a section here saying the title report and survey of the subject property may be required by the | 00:37:47 | |
| city planner. Right now, umm, it is just required. | 00:37:53 | |
| Umm, I don't know what your thoughts are on that there. There's a lot of benefits to having the title report, but we felt that | 00:37:59 | |
| there might be some cases where a conditional use is is. | 00:38:03 | |
| Report or conditional use. | 00:38:08 | |
| Umm permit is required. | 00:38:10 | |
| And we still title report might not. | 00:38:12 | |
| Proved to to be a benefit to to the planning question or staff. | 00:38:15 | |
| Umm, and in that case, we could, you know, waive that requirement. | 00:38:18 | |
| Umm, we're, we're fine keeping it as a requirement. If you do want, for example, if somebody wanted to do a home preschool, I | 00:38:23 | |
| believe they need a. | 00:38:26 | |
| Uh, conditional use permit. | 00:38:29 | |
| And so that would be an example of. | 00:38:31 | |
| Do we want to make them go through all this title work for the some preschool? | 00:38:33 | |
| You know, umm, and that is something that that the city planner in in this new language could waive. | 00:38:37 | |
| Umm, I, I was with you. So you gave that example. Absolutely. Do a title report for that because is that personal renter or the | 00:38:43 | |
| owner? And are we OK with the owner knowing that they're running a preschool out of the house they're renting? So that's not | 00:38:49 | |
| something that's why you run the time. Yeah, we, we do check that in the business pricing application. OK. | 00:38:55 | |
| So we we do kind of have those measures in place. | 00:39:02 | |
| But. | 00:39:04 | |
| Like I said, it's, it's up to you guys if, if you do or if we do want to create kind of a standard of when we would raise that | 00:39:05 | |
| requirement. Umm. | 00:39:08 | |
| Umm. Anytime I see the word may I'm. | 00:39:12 | |
| Followed up with a cool under what circumstance? That's just kind of my general. | 00:39:17 | |
| Roll with most of these because when it says maybe if the city planner feels like it obviously is casual, but that's the risk. My | 00:39:22 | |
| my thing, you guys are awesome city planners, but what about 5 years from now, 10 years from now, 20 years from now? | 00:39:28 | |
| I want to make sure we're getting people accountable. Yeah, no, totally agree. So yeah, I'll, I'll look into that. And if, if I do | 00:39:35 | |
| find special circumstances where I do think that would be adequate and I'll include them. If not, I'll just remove that. | 00:39:41 | |
| That's only one opinion. | 00:39:48 | |
| You haven't at least double that over here. I agree. Either that or like dig into. | 00:39:50 | |
| Specifics of these are the ones that we wouldn't, OK. | 00:39:57 | |
| Umm, are there any other ones besides like a? | 00:40:02 | |
| Preschool. Are there any other examples of? | 00:40:06 | |
| So I mean, for example, right now we are we're reviewing like a site plan application for a tire shop that's not near any kind of | 00:40:09 | |
| residential. | 00:40:13 | |
| Umm, that, that is a conditional use, so that would require a high report. Umm, and we will be I, I guess this could be a good | 00:40:17 | |
| example. We are already getting a final report. They have to do a plat. So now we're gonna make them do it, possibly give you | 00:40:21 | |
| another kind of report for this business. | 00:40:26 | |
| So that might be a circumstance where it's like we don't really need to see this again. | 00:40:32 | |
| Umm, but this would be another good one that would be good to run through our attorneys. He's the one who generally has a lot of | 00:40:36 | |
| that's what I'm wondering if we can, if they've submitted a title report in the beginning, if that's not something we can just | 00:40:41 | |
| that we have on record or that they would so well the the our requirements title reports. | 00:40:46 | |
| I believe Anthony, yeah, they're only down for 30 days. And so say for example, they, they do the planning. | 00:40:51 | |
| We get it approved and then 31 days later they go through the site plan with conditional use. | 00:40:57 | |
| We now have an expired. | 00:41:03 | |
| Got it. I have a report. | 00:41:05 | |
| Or do we want to put that burden back on to them? | 00:41:07 | |
| Totally get that, and that is obnoxious, so I appreciate doing something to be more uh. | 00:41:10 | |
| So yeah, we'll we'll dig into this to make it not duplicative work, but it's like if it hasn't been. | 00:41:14 | |
| Yeah, existing, right. Like if that hasn't happened before, I. | 00:41:21 | |
| I'm with me. I'd like it to happen. Some language there, the survey also. | 00:41:24 | |
| Yeah, love that it's in May there because. | 00:41:30 | |
| Very few conditional use permit. | 00:41:33 | |
| Really need an ultra survey? | 00:41:35 | |
| I would love to avoid that because that's also just a. | 00:41:38 | |
| It's a pretty expensive cost for the developer that nine times out of 10 you go OK cool. Umm only ask for things if we feel like | 00:41:42 | |
| right if it would help. | 00:41:48 | |
| Yeah, change a decision, right. And and maybe that's how we word it with. | 00:41:54 | |
| Where? | 00:41:58 | |
| May be required by the city planner if. | 00:41:59 | |
| It is of substance in the hand or even just saying by the city planner at his discretion. | 00:42:03 | |
| OK, Yeah, we'll we'll work on range and this like I said, I think it'd be another good one to run by our legal to make sure. OK, | 00:42:09 | |
| yeah. And the same would apply for the section right underneath it when talking about traffic. Compassionate. Yeah, that that | 00:42:14 | |
| length about that. | 00:42:18 | |
| And I wanna make sure if there's a may there we have conditions online. | 00:42:23 | |
| Yeah, and and this one, it was just the language in red was super confusing. If required by the commissioner, traffic impact now | 00:42:28 | |
| will be required. | 00:42:32 | |
| Umm so we just rephrase it, essentially saying it may be required if requested by the Planning Commission, VRC or city engineer. | 00:42:37 | |
| So any one of our bodies could request it and in that case it is now required. Then I think we just get rid of the word wait. | 00:42:44 | |
| May in that instance. | 00:42:51 | |
| And this sort of thing, it may be required. So we'll be required, will be required to get requested. | 00:42:53 | |
| OK, good catch. | 00:43:00 | |
| Change my tooth. | 00:43:02 | |
| Alright. | 00:43:06 | |
| Umm, general property development standards. Umm removed language about flag lock. We don't have any standards in our city for | 00:43:09 | |
| flag lock. | 00:43:13 | |
| Umm, so this section right now is talking about drive or lo uh. | 00:43:17 | |
| Uh, lock frontage requirements. | 00:43:21 | |
| Umm, and where? We don't have any black box, we don't have black box standards. | 00:43:23 | |
| It's not unnecessary to include this language unless you want to create a section specifically talking about backlog and how we | 00:43:29 | |
| want to. | 00:43:32 | |
| Umm, uh, you know, examine those. | 00:43:35 | |
| Or what requirements you wanna put onto those? Is there any possibility that there could be a flag line I I mean I? | 00:43:38 | |
| Yeah, always possible that that something could happen like that. Umm. | 00:43:44 | |
| So, but I, I think and, and Rachel is the one who did this section, so she, she has a little bit more insight on, on why she | 00:43:49 | |
| wanted to move that, umm, but I think it, it just comes down to we need to create a section on Flaglock. | 00:43:55 | |
| Umm that have these standards in place rather than just say. | 00:44:01 | |
| Right now this is saying we don't require driveway frontage requirements for flight law. Like let's create the standard rather | 00:44:05 | |
| than just kind of. | 00:44:08 | |
| Ignore it. Yeah. | 00:44:12 | |
| Yeah, yeah. | 00:44:14 | |
| Umm, the next one again, umm, it's talking about front yard parking prohibited. Umm, and it says that no vehicle parking shall be | 00:44:15 | |
| permitted in any required front yard set back area except on driveways located in residential loans that directly accept. | 00:44:22 | |
| Of garage or carport. | 00:44:30 | |
| Umm. We felt that that umm. | 00:44:31 | |
| We we already do have a requirement of where parking can be located in the front yard. And we thought that like this language was | 00:44:33 | |
| first redundant, but also could be restrictive of additional parking if somebody wanted to put in a a concrete pad that given | 00:44:38 | |
| access a. | 00:44:42 | |
| Carport or driveway. So they wanted to have something just, you know, if they have an Adu or something like that. | 00:44:47 | |
| Umm, so I'm gonna remove that language. | 00:44:52 | |
| Umm, Clearview Triangle. This one we we've been having a lot of hard. | 00:44:56 | |
| Hard times with lately UMM because of the graphics that we include in the zoning code is very confusing on where we actually | 00:45:00 | |
| measure. So essentially the Clearview triangle of the the 12 foot line measured from the driveway to the street and then from the | 00:45:04 | |
| driveway entrance. | 00:45:08 | |
| Set either side and it creates a triangle of view protection triangle that we don't wanna see any senses. | 00:45:13 | |
| Umm, any permit structures, anything like that in that area. But the way that the code is written right now, umm, makes it from | 00:45:19 | |
| the curb line. And essentially by the time you get to the curb line to the driveway, you're already at like 10 feet or something | 00:45:23 | |
| like that. And so it makes it useless. | 00:45:28 | |
| And so we changed how we measure that, like how we measure the the umm. | 00:45:33 | |
| The Clearview triangle and then we remove the graphic. | 00:45:37 | |
| Umm, when we come back for approval we will probably have an updated graphic to to show this. Umm, just because they are helpful. | 00:45:40 | |
| But in this case it did hurt us. | 00:45:44 | |
| Umm. | 00:45:49 | |
| So especially wrong units, this one UMM might might be a little bit more UMM 73 to to get through UMM. | 00:45:51 | |
| So in our general plan, we actually do have this in here in our moderate income housing section, umm that we will up approve | 00:45:58 | |
| mobile housing types intended for long term placement that adhere to our permanent foundation. | 00:46:05 | |
| Umm, that's in our general plan. It's also in our moderate income housing report of things that we need to continually improve in | 00:46:11 | |
| Adu. | 00:46:15 | |
| Umm, so we thought that this was a good time to include it. | 00:46:19 | |
| I have a question, what what constitutes does the mobile have? | 00:46:22 | |
| Umm great question. Essentially you could get something like some a pre manufactured home and put that on a permanent foundation | 00:46:26 | |
| but it would have to be fit within our detached. | 00:46:32 | |
| Accessory structure code. | 00:46:37 | |
| Umm. | 00:46:40 | |
| So we're, we're trying to figure out the best way to, to do this without people thinking we're just allowing like a trailer park | 00:46:41 | |
| to exist or like a shipping container. People have done that and like. | 00:46:46 | |
| Like a house and shipping. Yeah, like, right. So we, we don't allow containers right now in the city, so that would prohibit that. | 00:46:52 | |
| But umm. | 00:46:55 | |
| Umm most this mostly is speaking to like pre manufactured homes. I I think that's where. | 00:46:59 | |
| I get hung up is the term mobile housing but I think you might mean. | 00:47:06 | |
| Modular prefab. Yes, prefab that's exactly Yeah, I I just. | 00:47:10 | |
| Yeah, I I use the word mobile just because that was what is in our our general plan. | 00:47:15 | |
| Umm, let me pull that up. Mobile would. | 00:47:20 | |
| Umm, I think would contradict the rest of the the statement where I think it's adhered to a permanent foundation. | 00:47:24 | |
| Them so on your mobile, we don't want to see mobile. | 00:47:32 | |
| So umm, I don't know that most trailers aren't early either. If you say like a trailer park, a mobile home, but I I don't know | 00:47:35 | |
| then we can dig into more specifics on what it looks like. | 00:47:40 | |
| Is it really a modular home or is it a prepaid one? Because there's some really fantastic prefab homes that would even match. | 00:47:45 | |
| As an accessory dwelling unit is very different than doing a. | 00:47:52 | |
| Double wide yeah and, and maybe this is where we can include some sort of definition that could help us. Umm, I believe that we | 00:47:56 | |
| got this language straight from the state, so the state, uh. | 00:48:01 | |
| MMM uh, going back where you were asking about kind of where we're at with density in the state, essentially the state has a | 00:48:06 | |
| moderate income housing report that we have to fill out every year that kind of talked about the state of the city and, and what | 00:48:12 | |
| we're doing to encourage moderate income housing and one of those sections that we have to umm, that the city has chosen to. | 00:48:18 | |
| Umm report on is our accessory dwelling unit. | 00:48:25 | |
| And from there they kind of create a menu of different things that you can choose. And so this is something that was, uh. | 00:48:27 | |
| Chosen by the the Planning Commission City Council, probably in 2022. | 00:48:33 | |
| Is one of our strategies. | 00:48:37 | |
| That we would adopt by the end of 2025 is to allow this mobile housing. | 00:48:39 | |
| Umm, I can see if this did, if that language did come straight from the state. | 00:48:44 | |
| My guess is it would be hard to change that if we want to qualify this under the modern income housing, if we did change it to be | 00:48:48 | |
| more restrictive than what the state is. | 00:48:53 | |
| Umm, but I can look into that. Oh, when when the City Council approved those things, did we not approve an extra 1? | 00:48:58 | |
| Umm, we did, but we can no longer report. | 00:49:06 | |
| On one of the goals. | 00:49:08 | |
| I, I forget what, which one it is, but this year they essentially they gave us the approval on the moderate income happening and | 00:49:11 | |
| said. | 00:49:14 | |
| Starting this year, you can no longer report on this. | 00:49:17 | |
| Uh, the call. | 00:49:19 | |
| And it's it's not a fun report. I I wonder how we can get the definition of yeah, what exactly what mobile happiness that is | 00:49:21 | |
| intended for long term placement that is here to affirm. Yeah. And and it's also who's who's determining what that is. Yeah. You | 00:49:28 | |
| know, there, there's a lot of kind of Gray area in there I I think. | 00:49:34 | |
| One of the. | 00:49:42 | |
| Low hanging fruit to do it is out of Section 3 of Design standards. | 00:49:44 | |
| To say absolutely, we allow mobile housing types as long as it. | 00:49:48 | |
| OK, that's, that's a good idea. And the set design standards are the roof needs to match the primary building, deciding the | 00:49:52 | |
| primary building. So if it's a mobile, it looks like a prefab. Yeah, yeah. OK. OK. Yeah, that's, that's a good idea. I'll, I'll | 00:49:57 | |
| include that in there. | 00:50:01 | |
| Umm. | 00:50:08 | |
| Then license amount revocation we included this umm. | 00:50:10 | |
| Umm, that if somebody does have an Adu license, but they do have. | 00:50:14 | |
| Umm, zoning violation. This is a method that we can use to umm. | 00:50:18 | |
| Help them come into compliance. Umm, this would be helpful. For example, if they do have if they're operating their home as a | 00:50:23 | |
| duplex where they're renting out the top and basement that they have an active Adu license. | 00:50:27 | |
| We can now revoke it. | 00:50:32 | |
| Umm, we just want to have that language in there to back this up. | 00:50:34 | |
| Umm, it has a lot of may again, just to talk with the attorney. Yeah, Yeah, OK. | 00:50:39 | |
| When I see I I was involved in code enforcement once where? | 00:50:47 | |
| This was. | 00:50:51 | |
| In another city in another state, so I'm OK sharing it. | 00:50:52 | |
| Where we were getting. | 00:50:55 | |
| As a code enforcement officer, lots of push from. | 00:50:57 | |
| A certain person of high standing in our community who didn't like their neighbor. | 00:51:02 | |
| And so they said hit him with everything. And we have words like may. So it means, yeah, you can get him with that. | 00:51:06 | |
| I want to be fair and I want to be good and so. | 00:51:12 | |
| That's the only reason I, yeah, we'll, we'll work on that to kind of create kind of a. | 00:51:15 | |
| Uh, standard on how we will determine if it will be. | 00:51:20 | |
| Umm, maybe do a comparable sign for the word what may or I don't make sure in May. I think maybe we should just challenge the | 00:51:23 | |
| yeah. | 00:51:28 | |
| OK. | 00:51:35 | |
| Umm, I think this is maybe the last section is home occupations. Umm, and I think we actually did review some of this with you | 00:51:36 | |
| already before, but we've made quite a bit of updates with this with, with Kelly, our business licensing person. Umm, and here we | 00:51:40 | |
| just. | 00:51:44 | |
| Umm, we broke off some of the permitted and not permitted language. It was very confusing. Umm it was like I'm not permitted uses. | 00:51:50 | |
| It was like medical practitioners and veterinarian services. | 00:51:55 | |
| And it's like, are they related? Is it like that medical uses? And so we did wanted to be very straightforward on here are the | 00:52:00 | |
| types of uses in here that that we allow. And here's what we don't. Umm, so we included personal care services. | 00:52:07 | |
| Tracking, home cooking and sales, music lessons, tutoring, general education. | 00:52:13 | |
| And then animal hobby breeders and pet pet grooming. | 00:52:17 | |
| Umm, we do have definitions in our code that that differentiate between a commercial. | 00:52:20 | |
| Umm, grooming and commercial breeder compared to a hobby breeder. So hobby breeders, somebody who has, you know, two dogs that are | 00:52:26 | |
| super rare or whatev. I don't know anything about that, but and they want to bring them. | 00:52:31 | |
| Uh, we, we will allow that. Umm, they will have to, you know, go get a license and there are standards that they do have to | 00:52:38 | |
| follow. | 00:52:41 | |
| Umm but we would not allow commercial anyway. The ones that we are not permitting would be medical practitioner, medical class. | 00:52:45 | |
| Veterinarian services, animal hoarding, pet day care, vehicle sales that are that include vehicle services that include but not | 00:52:51 | |
| limited to repair, painting, maintenance sales. | 00:52:56 | |
| Same thing with recreational vehicles and then major appliance repair. | 00:53:01 | |
| Do you have any questions on that? | 00:53:05 | |
| Or anything you want to include, anything you want to take off. We had a meeting a while back about medical practitioner about if | 00:53:07 | |
| somebody does massages or if they do certain not did. | 00:53:12 | |
| Is that defined? Yeah, we, we are creating the definition of that be very specific medical practitioner, somebody who's a licensed | 00:53:18 | |
| individual, umm, giving medical. | 00:53:22 | |
| Whether it's a procedure, advice. | 00:53:27 | |
| Umm, we actually do allow like, like there's a lot of doctors with uh. | 00:53:29 | |
| Telehealth, we do allow them to do that because they're not actually practicing. | 00:53:33 | |
| Or not communication. Yeah, yeah. Umm, But somebody who does like Botox, this would be very specific that that is a medical | 00:53:36 | |
| practice. | 00:53:40 | |
| Umm, you are injecting somebody with something and you have to be licensed. | 00:53:44 | |
| Umm. And so that is now very specific in here on what that is. | 00:53:47 | |
| Umm, I have a question. I mean, we're giving people to talk about this last time, but umm, if we're. | 00:53:53 | |
| How are we, umm, enforcing that? | 00:53:59 | |
| So it's all through the license. So if you know, if you had a business that you, umm, you were a vet and you wanted to open a | 00:54:01 | |
| little vet shop in your house, you'd apply for business and we deny it. If you did anyways, then just through code enforcement. | 00:54:08 | |
| Umm. And in some instances we could involve the the uh. | 00:54:15 | |
| Sheriff's Office system does continue operating business. | 00:54:19 | |
| That we deem it to be unsafe. | 00:54:22 | |
| Under the vehicle services with this includes it has painting. | 00:54:24 | |
| Maintenance or sales repair and know of someone that does vehicle wrapping? Does that include that? | 00:54:28 | |
| So because we do say uh, vehicle services that are that include but not limited to umm. | 00:54:35 | |
| Umm, we probably would include vehicle wrapping. I would in. | 00:54:40 | |
| Was that in a similar fashion as painting and just kind of changing the exterior of the vehicle? It causes a lot of issues because | 00:54:44 | |
| it's in a neighborhood that doesn't have, I think I know exactly what you're talking about, all the parking, so I I can include | 00:54:48 | |
| that specific language. | 00:54:53 | |
| Just say wrapping is is not permitted. Yeah, umm. | 00:54:58 | |
| I think it would be helpful because I think. | 00:55:02 | |
| That's a good time. | 00:55:04 | |
| Let's see that. | 00:55:05 | |
| It's I think it's this is. | 00:55:07 | |
| Any sort of vehicle services are gonna be very disruptive within I. I think that is resolved with the current language with #2. | 00:55:09 | |
| Where home occupations are limited to only one customer at a time and by appointment only, and they can. That's where our code | 00:55:17 | |
| enforcement needs to mail them and and that's where if we don't get a complaint, we don't. | 00:55:23 | |
| Know to go after it and even if we do they can provide and you know, if somebody is doing a vehicle wrapping business, they could | 00:55:30 | |
| say, yeah, you know, a customer comes in, they make an appointment, they drop off their car and they leave. But then they have 10 | 00:55:34 | |
| cars parked because they have 10 clients. | 00:55:39 | |
| I showed up at one time but at different times then. | 00:55:44 | |
| On the next one where it says conditions that apply to all home occupation types and you talk about utility. | 00:55:47 | |
| Yeah, get rid of the word utilities because then it says the home occupation shall not have demand on municipal services, | 00:55:53 | |
| including the public right of way. | 00:55:57 | |
| If you just Scroll down to the end there. | 00:56:04 | |
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mainly just like, oh, they're not using. | 00:56:06 | |
| Electricity and gas, but. | 00:56:10 | |
| I mean the public graduate municipal service as well. | 00:56:12 | |
| Yeah. And we've talked about in for our business licenses, uh, there are a lot of things that. | 00:56:15 | |
| People can't do if. | 00:56:21 | |
| But there are a lot of things. We left it. We specifically left the door open that people can do a lot of things. Yeah, because | 00:56:24 | |
| people should be able to do every anything they want. | 00:56:28 | |
| As long as they're not serving people around them, right? If nobody knows that you drove a car into your garage and you're | 00:56:33 | |
| wrapping it in your garage like. | 00:56:37 | |
| By all means do that, or if. | 00:56:42 | |
| Somebody like I know people, umm, repair old cars. | 00:56:43 | |
| And eventually fell over and stuff like that. If if they're not having a disturbance, then it. | 00:56:48 | |
| It I think that it should be permitted and we're pretty strict with what people aren't allowed to do in those situations. | 00:56:55 | |
| Uh, from. | 00:57:00 | |
| For cars specifically, we talked about. | 00:57:02 | |
| Uh, they can't have any kind of equipment outside. They have to have a garage door closed. | 00:57:05 | |
| They can't have cars or UMM engines or anything like that outside of UMM. | 00:57:10 | |
| Uh, the garage, yeah. Uh, it can't be visible at all. So, so are you just kind of saying that we already have kind of the tools to | 00:57:16 | |
| work through these problems that. | 00:57:22 | |
| So do you think we should remove a lot of this like the vehicle? So because I I do see actually your point of like if somebody | 00:57:27 | |
| did, they had a hobby of picking up old cars and telling them about would that be a business though it it could be. And at that | 00:57:33 | |
| point like, yeah, are they actually going out and getting a license or doing that? Yeah. | 00:57:39 | |
| So I I don't think that it's necessary, but we and because we already have the code to enforce these things, I don't think we need | 00:57:46 | |
| to. | 00:57:49 | |
| Yeah, we're, we're more. | 00:57:53 | |
| Judging it based off of the impact rather than the use. | 00:57:54 | |
| I think impact is the keyword there and so if we are making. | 00:57:58 | |
| Uh, any amendments? It's really just that section about utilities. | 00:58:02 | |
| Yeah. So how much they should not have a demand. | 00:58:06 | |
| Beyond what typical residential uses you can say. | 00:58:09 | |
| Customer visits or whatever, we're both, we, we even have a what a traditional house has. | 00:58:14 | |
| In our in our umm business. | 00:58:20 | |
| License stuff there is very specific. People cannot park on the street, they have to have a parking spot off. | 00:58:23 | |
| They can only have this many people that come every day. Like it's very specific. Yeah, I, I think the hard thing is everybody can | 00:58:29 | |
| agree to that. But then when it comes down to it and you have AV4 wrapping business that's really successful, you're not gonna | 00:58:35 | |
| turn down the client for. But you get a complaint, right. But yeah, you're right. It is once you get the complaint that we can, | 00:58:40 | |
| you know, do something about it. Don't turn people down. But you say, awesome, come on Thursday. | 00:58:45 | |
| Yeah, OK, let me make a note of that. | 00:58:51 | |
| So yeah, I don't wanna, I don't wanna restrict people from having at home businesses because I have, uh. | 00:58:56 | |
| Oh yeah, I forgot to include. We're gonna remove anything associated with the skateboard and. | 00:59:03 | |
| Not permitted. | 00:59:09 | |
| That was way restricted before. | 00:59:11 | |
| OK. Yeah, I'll, I'll work on on changing that up just so it kind of points more towards. | 00:59:15 | |
| The exactly what you're talking about and put something that says please see. | 00:59:19 | |
| Yeah. | 00:59:24 | |
| OK, umm, we another thing we wanted to include is something about aggregate impact if somebody had multiple home occupations. | 00:59:25 | |
| Which we don't want to deny them from, but we want to make sure that their impact is equal to a total of 1 Umm. | 00:59:32 | |
| Umm, which I think makes pretty common sense there. Umm another one was nonprofit organizations. If they are nonprofit | 00:59:39 | |
| organization with impact, they have to follow the standards here. | 00:59:44 | |
| Umm. | 00:59:49 | |
| And then, uh, we're including a section thing that the city can require or yeah, may require inspections to determine compliance. | 00:59:51 | |
| This is mostly if somebody does say, hey, I wanna do this with my home occupation. | 00:59:57 | |
| And we're a little iffy on. If that meets our standards, we can request to. | 01:00:04 | |
| Umm, come to a brief inspection. | 01:00:09 | |
| Umm, and then, uh, a license that you wrote upon any violation of requirements or conditions. | 01:00:12 | |
| I think pretty, uh, simple there. | 01:00:18 | |
| Umm, once again, the board may we do want to include is that the hard thing is is you know, let's say, you know, uh. | 01:00:20 | |
| Bryce is. He has a simple code violation of. | 01:00:28 | |
| I don't know. You have some weeds in your yard. Are we then gonna go remove your business license for that code violation? | 01:00:33 | |
| I don't know if that's fair if the planning director despises. | 01:00:38 | |
| Honestly, I I joke. Yeah, that's what I'm trying to. I'll look into the language to see if there's something we can do to. | 01:00:43 | |
| Umm, rework it so we can have this. Yeah, some a certain amount of warnings or something. | 01:00:49 | |
| OK. And then yeah, that the very last thing is the utilities, the homework creation shall not have demand of Neosporin utility | 01:00:59 | |
| services. | 01:01:03 | |
| Or community facilities in excess of those usually in customer provided for residential uses. | 01:01:07 | |
| I'm not wrong slideshow here. | 01:01:13 | |
| Umm, and I'll, I'll include that word, it says including the right of way to show that people cannot use the street for their | 01:01:14 | |
| business. | 01:01:17 | |
| Umm, as you mentioned, but. | 01:01:21 | |
| Umm. We just thought that was important to to include. | 01:01:24 | |
| Umm, And then business management, I think we talked to you guys about this, umm. | 01:01:26 | |
| At the very first work session where we had this idea that like if people wanted to, it was like once a year they could hold an | 01:01:30 | |
| event where they had more than one customer come to their house. | 01:01:35 | |
| And the idea was like, I don't know, a Pampered Chef party or something like that. But then we determined that's gonna be way too | 01:01:40 | |
| hard for staff to ever enforce. And then if that becomes a problem, we'll just use code enforcement. And that's when it goes back | 01:01:46 | |
| to what's typical for a neighborhood. Yeah, People have parties. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Every Tuesday and Thursday. | 01:01:53 | |
| Yeah, yeah. That's not typical. But now and then, yeah, yeah. So that's that's exactly why I removed it because we'll just use | 01:01:59 | |
| code enforcement. | 01:02:04 | |
| Areas where it becomes a problem. | 01:02:08 | |
| So I think that is everything I have. | 01:02:11 | |
| So are there any sections or anything like that you have comments on? | 01:02:14 | |
| Umm, but I, I thank you guys for going through all this with us. It's been a. | 01:02:17 | |
| Long few months of review on the code and and hopefully umm. | 01:02:22 | |
| Umm, sometime, maybe early February, we'll have this time all finalized and ready for you. | 01:02:26 | |
| Umm, to to get kind of any final feedback before it goes to to City Council? | 01:02:30 | |
| Cool. | 01:02:35 | |
| David, do you have anything that you that we maybe missed or? | 01:02:37 | |
| Over here. All right. Thank you so much cash. I know this stuff is kind of mind numbing. | 01:02:42 | |
| But. | 01:02:48 | |
| You guys are doing a good job. | 01:02:48 | |
| UMM staff, Commission and committee reports. | 01:02:50 | |
| Umm, did you guys have anything? | 01:02:54 | |
| I am so excited to say that. | 01:02:56 | |
| Seth is moving forward with the State Park. | 01:03:00 | |
| Like it's cool that it's my last meeting and the whole purpose of me being on the Planning Commission, I feel like, is to get this | 01:03:02 | |
| State Park happening so. | 01:03:07 | |
| Uh, I'm excited that there's actually stuff that's happening. Umm. | 01:03:12 | |
| There will be umm Flyers going out there with umm, a survey that you can take and a link to, uh donate. | 01:03:16 | |
| Umm, we've already received a donation, right? Yeah, we've received a donation where, uh, we're in talks with some businesses for | 01:03:24 | |
| donations. Umm. | 01:03:28 | |
| And, uh, things are looking really positive, so. | 01:03:33 | |
| Uh, be on the lookout for that. It's exciting. Umm. | 01:03:37 | |
| I think it'll be great for our many, many, many children and youth that have been Vineyard. | 01:03:41 | |
| Umm, yeah, that's all I had, uh, staffed here with everything. | 01:03:47 | |
| Umm, I don't think so. We uh, I can give a brief update on the, the City Hall, uh, project. So we did have that RP go out. Today | 01:03:52 | |
| is actually the final day for any proposal to be submitted. | 01:03:57 | |
| Umm, the staff will be reviewing that over the next two weeks and then it'll go to the council to approve on, uh, an architecture | 01:04:03 | |
| firm to, to start the design for the City Hall project. Mm-hmm. | 01:04:08 | |
| So that'll be early next year, so that that takes place, OK. | 01:04:13 | |
| Cool. | 01:04:17 | |
| Uh, if that's everything. | 01:04:18 | |
| We do a big public thank you, umm, thank you for your service. We give you a round of applause, but it would be very loud. | 01:04:20 | |
| Thank you. | 01:04:31 | |
| All right. Thank you so much, Jeff. Uh, it's been a great eight years and, uh. | 01:04:32 | |
| Yeah. We'll, we'll, we'll see here from you. And for the first time in eight years, like do you use the capital? | 01:04:36 | |
| Umm, alright, I'm gonna use the gavel. I'm gonna have it on video. | 01:04:43 | |
| OK, meeting adjourned. | 01:04:48 |