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Ms. Smith discussed recommendations and research for the plan. They highlighted a summary and research. Saxon Peterson, with MGB+A, provided motivations and goals. He also described some of the inventory done. Ms. Smith summarized the inventory and discussed recommendations for amenities.
Ms. Smith discussed recommendations and research for the plan. They highlighted a summary and research. Saxon Peterson, with MGB+A, provided motivations and goals. He also described some of the inventory done. Ms. Smith summarized the inventory and discussed recommendations for amenities.
Chair Steele asked where the standard comes from. Ms. Smith and Commissioner Pearce clarified the acronym: National Recreation and Parks Association. Mr. Peterson provided where the percentages came from.
Chair Steele asked where the standard comes from. Ms. Smith and Commissioner Pearce clarified the acronym: National Recreation and Parks Association. Mr. Peterson provided where the percentages came from.
Commissioner Pearce asked about the recommendation. The application of the recommendation was explained by Mr. Peterson. Ms. Smith discussed the current parks.
Commissioner Pearce asked about the recommendation. The application of the recommendation was explained by Mr. Peterson. Ms. Smith discussed the current parks.
Mr. Peterson discussed the analysis and emphasized connectivity. Ms. Smith discussed the numbers behind the analysis.
Mr. Peterson discussed the analysis and emphasized connectivity. Ms. Smith discussed the numbers behind the analysis.
Chair Steele clarified that the table is a suggested number based off of other counts. Ms. Smith noted that the suggestion is based on a comparison nationally.
Chair Steele clarified that the table is a suggested number based off of other counts. Ms. Smith noted that the suggestion is based on a comparison nationally.
Commissioner Graden Ostler asked about where they got the number for population. Mr. Peterson noted that Zions Public Finance estimated lower. Community Development Director Morgan Brim noted where the city gets their numbers for populations. He provided a current estimate:,000-21,000. Mr. Peterson acknowledged that they are leaning on those estimates.
Commissioner Graden Ostler asked about where they got the number for population. Mr. Peterson noted that Zions Public Finance estimated lower. Community Development Director Morgan Brim noted where the city gets their numbers for populations. He provided a current estimate:,000-21,000. Mr. Peterson acknowledged that they are leaning on those estimates.
Ms. Smith reiterated that this is a comparison, not what they recommended in the master plan. Mr. Peterson presented the recommendations. improvements Ms. Smith noted that the standard is to do the improvements by the time frame, not to start at that timeframe.
Ms. Smith reiterated that this is a comparison, not what they recommended in the master plan. Mr. Peterson presented the recommendations. improvements Ms. Smith noted that the standard is to do the improvements by the time frame, not to start at that timeframe.
Vice-Chair Bramwell asked about the dog park. Mr. Peterson noted that does need to be added. Director Brim noted that the central corridor master plan calls for plans for a dog park.
Vice-Chair Bramwell asked about the dog park. Mr. Peterson noted that does need to be added. Director Brim noted that the central corridor master plan calls for plans for a dog park.
Chair Steele asked if Utah City was proposing a stadium. Ms. Smith said that they are in the year range. Chair Steele discussed the timeline. Ms. Smith added that she was hoping to get more information on priorities to build a better timeline. Discussion ensued.
Chair Steele asked if Utah City was proposing a stadium. Ms. Smith said that they are in the year range. Chair Steele discussed the timeline. Ms. Smith added that she was hoping to get more information on priorities to build a better timeline. Discussion ensued.
Ms. Smith discussed recommended amenity locations. Chair Steele clarified that the pickle ball courts are coming from tennis courts. Ms. Smith highlighted some amenities. Ms. Smith presented the cost analysis.
Ms. Smith discussed recommended amenity locations. Chair Steele clarified that the pickle ball courts are coming from tennis courts. Ms. Smith highlighted some amenities. Ms. Smith presented the cost analysis.
Vice-Chair Bramwell asked about the impact fee. Director Brim answered in saying yes, new development would pay a fee for their impact. Vice-Chair Bramwell asked how many more units are anticipated to be built out in Vineyard. Director Brim said that they do not have an exact number, but depending on population and types of units.
Vice-Chair Bramwell asked about the impact fee. Director Brim answered in saying yes, new development would pay a fee for their impact. Vice-Chair Bramwell asked how many more units are anticipated to be built out in Vineyard. Director Brim said that they do not have an exact number, but depending on population and types of units.
Vice-Chair Bramwell asked how much of the cost will be covered by impact fees or other property and sales taxes. Director Vawdrey noted that they will provide more data on the impact fees. Vice-Chair Bramwell expressed concern and a need for a plan of cost and impact. Director Brim noted that the impact is something finance deals with.
Vice-Chair Bramwell asked how much of the cost will be covered by impact fees or other property and sales taxes. Director Vawdrey noted that they will provide more data on the impact fees. Vice-Chair Bramwell expressed concern and a need for a plan of cost and impact. Director Brim noted that the impact is something finance deals with.
Mr. Peterson noted that it may be incorporated into the document. Feedback was directed to Director Brian. There were no commissioner comments. Chair Steele opened up to the public.
Mr. Peterson noted that it may be incorporated into the document. Feedback was directed to Director Brian. There were no commissioner comments. Chair Steele opened up to the public.
Resident Jane Pearce asked if there was going to be walking trails in Utah City. Chair Steele noted that there will be plenty of public sidewalks.
Resident Jane Pearce asked if there was going to be walking trails in Utah City. Chair Steele noted that there will be plenty of public sidewalks.
Director Brim noted that the trail map has the trails listed. He provided some of these. Chair Steele noted that the maps can be updated and trails added.
Director Brim noted that the trail map has the trails listed. He provided some of these. Chair Steele noted that the maps can be updated and trails added.
Public Comments PC Chair Steele looped back to the public comments section, after it was skipped, to ask if there were any comments. There were no comments. Consent Items 1.Approval of the Februaryh,25 Planning Commission Draft Minutes Motion: COMMISSIONER DAVID PEARCE MOVED TO APPROVE THE FEBRUARYH,25 PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES AT01PM. CHAIR STEELE SECONDED. ALL IN FAVOR VOTED YES: STEELE, BRAMWELL, OSTLER, FAGG, AND PEARCE. THE VOTE CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. Business Items No business items were submitted. Work Session 2.Parks and Recreation Master Plan Brian Vawdrey, the Parks and Recreation Director, introduced the representatives for the Master Plan. He briefed the research and discussed other work they have worked on. Laura Smith with CRSA discussed the objective of the meeting and the intentions. Ms. Smith outlined the process that they followed.
Public Comments PC Chair Steele looped back to the public comments section, after it was skipped, to ask if there were any comments. There were no comments. Consent Items 1.Approval of the Februaryh,25 Planning Commission Draft Minutes Motion: COMMISSIONER DAVID PEARCE MOVED TO APPROVE THE FEBRUARYH,25 PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES AT01PM. CHAIR STEELE SECONDED. ALL IN FAVOR VOTED YES: STEELE, BRAMWELL, OSTLER, FAGG, AND PEARCE. THE VOTE CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. Business Items No business items were submitted. Work Session 2.Parks and Recreation Master Plan Brian Vawdrey, the Parks and Recreation Director, introduced the representatives for the Master Plan. He briefed the research and discussed other work they have worked on. Laura Smith with CRSA discussed the objective of the meeting and the intentions. Ms. Smith outlined the process that they followed.
Staff and Commission Reports Chair Steele made a request to add a report on what is in the future. Commissioner Pearce agreed. Director Brim acknowledged.
Staff and Commission Reports Chair Steele made a request to add a report on what is in the future. Commissioner Pearce agreed. Director Brim acknowledged.
Adjournment Chair Steele adjourned the meeting at46pm. MINUTES CERTIFIED COMPLETE ON: Marchh,25 CERTIFIED (NOTICED) BY: Madison Reed, Planning Technician
Adjournment Chair Steele adjourned the meeting at46pm. MINUTES CERTIFIED COMPLETE ON: Marchh,25 CERTIFIED (NOTICED) BY: Madison Reed, Planning Technician

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	Somebody did some analysis to look at how, umm, you're using facilities and your plans master plan.	00:00:00
	Umm, your future plans, how they compare to you, uh, national standards?	00:00:06
	Umm, and then we made some recommendations based on one and then these that you're going to want to have based on your projected	00:00:11
	umm population and then also proposed amenities that will fit into.	00:00:16
	Plans that you already have in place and properties, umm, that you might want to develop and and improve. Umm Then we did a cost	00:00:21
	analysis where we saved it out for five years, 10 year, umm, 20 years plan.	00:00:27
	Umm, and that rolls into the work that we did with, uh, Zion.	00:00:34
	And the impact you know, this is this all informs that impact the analysis.	00:00:38
	Umm, And then any additional information is in the attendance that you can go on. I'm, I'm thoroughly looked for you through that.	00:00:43
	Yeah, so this is just all how? Umm.	00:00:56
	How we went through the process.	00:00:58
	Yeah, the high level of executive.	00:01:03
	Yeah, go ahead. Yeah.	00:01:05
	She she asked me to to jump on this. And so it's just a big part of my support. So we didn't want this to be a mystery novel. We	00:01:06
	wanted it to, you know, to establish what what's the point of this master plan right, right from the get go.	00:01:13
	Umm. And so.	00:01:20
	We have our goals and and the vision and it's exciting to work with with your community.	00:01:22
	Umm, you know.	00:01:28
	Providing the goals that you guys already have, we can tell you thin and and.	00:01:30
	Frequent contact with with the community and and.	00:01:34
	We could see that as the public engagement.	00:01:38
	Really aligned with.	00:01:40
	You know, like Vermonter, your vision and.	00:01:42
	Uh, active and healthy community and.	00:01:44
	Some of those things that that we're able to focus on and.	00:01:46
	Really drill down into as we develop the master plan.	00:01:49
	Umm, And so from the get go we want to establish that and just lay it out that.	00:01:53
	And you know, our whole process was to support your.	00:01:59
	Initiatives.	00:02:03
	Umm, and and take that wherever it goes it went.	00:02:05
	For example, umm.	00:02:08
	Trail connectivity. There's There's an extensive trail network already on the ground for Parks and Recreation.	00:02:11
	And so as an easy priority for us.	00:02:17
	That aligns with the goals and and initiatives.	00:02:19
	Pardon.	00:02:23
	Improve that connectivity.	00:02:24
	And so, uh, items like that and then capital improvements, you know the parts.	00:02:26
	Parks, uh, amenities comes to mind.	00:02:30
	Umm, and you know, how can we just further support, uh, your goals and your, your mission and so.	00:02:33
	Uh, there's, there's the idea of, of the summary and, umm, just laying it out. They're not making this industry novel.	00:02:40
	But, you know, letting everyone know.	00:02:46
	Uh, decision makers in the public and what, what the purpose is so.	00:02:49
	OK, excellent.	00:02:54
	Umm, yeah. So we had identified early on with your stakeholders, Group 5, you know, community health and Wellness and umm.	00:02:57
	Conservation of your natural, umm, environment, basically, you have such a beautiful landscape, umm, and that's what we really	00:03:05
	heard from, from the outreach that we've done is people really.	00:03:09
	Being able to use the pails, being able to access the lake, you know, just being outside.	00:03:14
	Umm, and and that was something they wanted to.	00:03:18
	To preserve.	00:03:22
	Umm, and to be in a, you know, an active community where.	00:03:24
	Enjoy friends and family, umm and getting outside too umm.	00:03:28
	So we are really looking for ways to umm, to enhance that, to maintain that.	00:03:33
	Umm and to provide connectivity where maybe?	00:03:38
	There are different.	00:03:41
	You know, opportunities, but they're not quite, umm, connected yet. So, so we really look at.	00:03:43
	Umm strategic umm, ways to connect what you already have and and what you already have.	00:03:49
	Umm so the first time we, we undertook was, was an expensive inventory. Umm and I'm going to let Saxon talk about the umm, master	00:03:56
	plans that he put together.	00:04:01
	Working on your your master plan particular.	00:04:08
	For Parks and Recreation, with with.	00:04:11
	Brand was especially interesting and especially.	00:04:13
	Uh, uh.	00:04:17
	It was, well, I'll just say it was. It was really helpful to understand and breakdown a lot of the existing master planning.	00:04:19
	And start to think about again going back to the to initiatives and mission and mantra just.	00:04:27
	In your city and does it match?	00:04:33
	And so we really started to inventory UVU, uh.	00:04:36
	You fingered downtown and and.	00:04:40
	Even a proposed development that had some.	00:04:42
	Subdivision planning and so pulling that all together, umm, what's important for inventorying, what amenities are.	00:04:45
	Umm, already on in the ground? What amenities are already being proposed?	00:04:52
	And how do we fill in the gaps?	00:04:57
	Umm, you know, there are limited resources. We don't do so much capital improvement.	00:05:00
	What needs are are are missing so?	00:05:05
	Umm, physically the trail connectivity is one example. And then.	00:05:08
	Umm, some of the amenities and how we prioritize those.	00:05:14
	Umm, it was the next step as we move from inventory to analysis, identifying.	00:05:17
	Those things so I think I overstepped I I went beyond inventory here, but.	00:05:23
	Umm.	00:05:29
	Umm, so trails in transit we're thinking about.	00:05:36
	The connectivity, umm, a lot of times. Umm what?	00:05:40
	The the demographics that get missed are adolescents who are stuck at home and.	00:05:45
	Uh, suburban city.	00:05:51
	Umm, so there's the transit here. Umm, you guys have already have great infrastructure with with the bike room connectivity there.	00:05:53
	And so we we wrapped our heads around.	00:06:01
	How our our set of things that don't have cars going to get from A to B?	00:06:04
	And I.	00:06:08
	Because the capital improvement going to actually service.	00:06:10
	The full population and not just.	00:06:13
	Dot CR or you know most mobile or.	00:06:15
	You know, not necessarily everyone. Umm.	00:06:20
	Click through here.	00:06:23
	Come into the next.	00:06:26
	Let it go.	00:06:28
	There we go.	00:06:29
	And so, umm, yeah.	00:06:30
	You'll see this graphic we're trying to be consistent with with our graphics.	00:06:32
	Umm, just easily recognizable.	00:06:36
	Umm and users as as the reader or?	00:06:38
	Our decision makers are not theory oriented here.	00:06:43
	Umm. So now here we're exhibiting.	00:06:46
	What amenities are already built?	00:06:49
	Umm, pretty simple.	00:06:52
	The organization is based off the NRPA.	00:06:53
	International Parks and Recreation Association.	00:06:57
	Umm, and that would be important later.	00:07:00
	Umm, as we start to compare.	00:07:02
	To the overall.	00:07:05
	Umm, national trends and statistics averages.	00:07:08
	We wanna know where Vineyard.	00:07:12
	Have been your compares.	00:07:14
	For the rest of the nation.	00:07:16
	Umm, so that's back story with.	00:07:17
	Uh, organization there.	00:07:20
	Umm. And then we also identified potential future part locations.	00:07:23
	And so not necessarily set in stone, there's different.	00:07:27
	Uh, level of planning, but not built yet, so the red areas exhibit those.	00:07:30
	Uh, per space potential park spaces?	00:07:37
	Just give me one moment here.	00:07:43
	And so going down identifying the parts.	00:07:46
	Spaces. Is there anything you want me to touch on with it? Or you can.	00:07:50
	And maybe maybe just come through here. Umm, yeah, we can just send them. Yeah. So we might get to the to the meet of it. Umm, but	00:07:54
	yeah, we but the challenge that we have is we have hyper development. You have existing public, you have teachers, public open	00:08:00
	space and sales. All of that inventory really sort of brings that.	00:08:05
	To a cohesive body of work so we can identify it, but not gonna be umm.	00:08:11
	Obviously here we we looked at, you know, some of these are public and some of these are in some way.	00:08:18
	And so.	00:08:22
	So if you don't have a venom, see, like if you have a private, you know, new pool coming in, but then you wanna fill the public	00:08:24
	pool, like how do we reconcile that or that that consultancy or somebody who's done this is calculated. There's a recommendation	00:08:28
	for umm.	00:08:33
	There's a, you know, the first time it was a recommendation like for for those many people that you want to have.	00:08:39
	You know those many activities, right? And so we put the HOA, existing amenities and we divide them by half.	00:08:45
	Because they do exist, so they're not public about what you did when they come from.	00:08:53
	Can I ask where that standard comes from?	00:09:00
	Mm-hmm.	00:09:03
	Rep.	00:09:06
	Yeah.	00:09:09
	So are you asking about the 50%?	00:09:11
	Yeah, that's all part time right for you, that's all. I'm just wondering. Yeah, not necessarily the.	00:09:17
	How did they come up with why the 50% of HOA or why that where the numbers clarify that?	00:09:21
	Well, the 50% was actually driven by us as we looked at how much of the population is.	00:09:30
	Surface by the HOA amenities. So the NRPA didn't write that. What they do drive it are the thresholds for each of the amenities.	00:09:36
	It's like how many on average, umm how how many people in in the city?	00:09:43
	Umm, are, are there per every amenities. So if there's a, you know, 1000 people per stickable, that's not a real one, but for	00:09:50
	example. And so there's that threshold and that's what the NMPA establishes and then we can run with that.	00:09:57
	And just compared to the average of the sample, so 50% US.	00:10:04
	That that can be adjusted.	00:10:09
	Yeah, please let me go through that. In the morning, we looked at your, your, your other spaces, UMM identified which ones were	00:10:13
	public and which ones were SOA.	00:10:17
	Umm. And then this information.	00:10:22
	Yeah, yeah, yeah. A quick question about the standard.	00:10:25
	Yeah, the standards those are.	00:10:29
	Best case.	00:10:32
	Standard.	00:10:35
	So many people.	00:10:37
	This is what you should have as.	00:10:38
	A, uh, astronomena gate.	00:10:42
	In a in a perfect world.	00:10:46
	Yes, it's not a a little obviously or a loss. It's just the recommendations. Yeah, there's.	00:10:48
	And it's just when.	00:10:54
	One layer or one lens to where we actually make decisions about which capital improvements are best and most important for	00:10:56
	vineyards.	00:11:00
	Umm.	00:11:05
	Gonna say one other thing about it.	00:11:07
	Uh, with the, the HOA, uh, amenities.	00:11:09
	Uh, you know, we're, we're trying to maximize the, the level of service and the dollar that we spend for these amenities.	00:11:13
	Umm, so if a lot of the population in the HOA development is.	00:11:21
	Do have playgrounds?	00:11:25
	And we don't wanna build another playground right next door now if that changes, since the city doesn't publicly control.	00:11:27
	At HOA Playground.	00:11:34
	That's where you know we.	00:11:35
	We have these thresholds where we can lean back. We can.	00:11:37
	Take a step back and look at that and say, OK, now we're a little bit low, do we want to reconsider?	00:11:40
	Or re repiritize the benefits.	00:11:47
	For the coming Friday.	00:11:50
	OK. Umm, yeah. So then we look at the public parts that you have and look at the amenities that you have and how how large they	00:11:57
	are. And some of these are eligible for impact fees based on how large they are.	00:12:02
	Umm, and say that again inform the UMM impact fee analysis.	00:12:08
	Umm. And then this is just a umm.	00:12:13
	Service not shot on some of the questions that we asked out of the UMM.	00:12:15
	The public account resets, in your case, umm.	00:12:20
	And if you dig into this, you can see that people really were driven by getting out with their kids. Umm.	00:12:23
	And and being outside umm.	00:12:30
	They also mentioned that there was a lot of interest in, uh, rec centers and pools and there, you know, as you know, they're going	00:12:33
	to.	00:12:37
	Umm, the Orem facility, umm, there's a, a, umm, synergy there. So we've talked more about how to sort of.	00:12:41
	You know, continue that arrangement, but I'll say what down, you know, long into the horizon and and when you're gonna want to	00:12:47
	build your own here. Umm, and when that would be.	00:12:52
	Uh, supported by the growing population.	00:12:57
	That's so slow.	00:13:05
	So there we go.	00:13:09
	OK, so then we go into the analysis. Umm, and we're looking here. I'm gonna let you.	00:13:11
	OK, OK.	00:13:17
	Umm. I think this is more.	00:13:18
	Inventory, well, this is where.	00:13:22
	Umm, at least in the narrative we're describing the.	00:13:24
	Umm.	00:13:27
	What's already funded the previous planning and identifying those gaps like I mentioned before.	00:13:29
	Umm, in particular with with the trails at this point in the master plan.	00:13:34
	Umm.	00:13:39
	Yeah. I mean, I mean that that that's been a critical element in focus throughout, throughout the whole planning process.	00:13:43
	Umm. So we just wanted to make sure we have.	00:13:49
	Clear expectations and that that was a driver from the get go.	00:13:52
	Yeah, so you can return an option to be aware you are looking at somebody or umm, meeting connectivity.	00:13:57
	OK, and then this is where we get into the NRTA standards, umm and we just umm, and we did want to review with umm with you guys	00:14:08
	more to get updated numbers when we started.	00:14:13
	Umm, there was a $20,000, uh, 2020 thousand people. Umm, and then you're done. I think that.	00:14:18
	Now I think it was 21,000 umm, So we just wanna make sure that we're we're getting those correct on that before we umm.	00:14:26
	Before we submit this as a final draft.	00:14:33
	Umm. And then this is when we go into what you currently have.	00:14:36
	Umm, and then you're not the 2025 and how it relates to national standards. So you have many more playgrounds than UMM.	00:14:41
	The typical city which is which is great and right So if you're demographic.	00:14:50
	Yeah, counting the intervals. Umm. But then because that's where you have a negative number because we're not, Yeah.	00:14:55
	According to this, they would not suggest building.	00:15:00
	Any umm, but umm, then you go down a little further and you see that, you know, you're a little low on the tennis courts, you're a	00:15:04
	little low on the pickleball courts. And so you can see those metrics from this this graph. So to clarify, in this table, the	00:15:10
	numbers indicate the suggested.	00:15:16
	Development or construction of these amenities Yes. And it's not the suggestion that we are suggesting in the master plan. It's	00:15:22
	just saying this is how it compares yeah. And so then that rolls into where we are suggesting to get rid of 11 playgrounds. No,	00:15:30
	absolutely not. And quick question on the previous part, you mentioned 21,000, uh, population.	00:15:37
	Uh, where? Where is that based off? Or what? What? What's the source there?	00:15:46
	Umm providing public finance. They estimated lower and and some of this.	00:15:51
	Vineyards, population, we're doing our best. Yeah, I can the 20.	00:15:57
	Go ahead. Yeah. Umm, so that's.	00:16:03
	Just shout.	00:16:08
	So that, that that's the number that's continually being refined because of our, our.	00:16:10
	Our mental optimization to population of.	00:16:15
	Proximity between 17.	00:16:19
	Based off of our appetite.	00:16:49
	And then multiply.	00:16:52
	Those, those are pretty tough. The census itself, umm.	00:17:03
	And there are several.	00:17:07
	Umm, so that's, that's kind of an internal.	00:17:12
	That number that we've used based on what the tests did and some of the multiplied.	00:17:16
	Hopefully we get that tightened up. I know that.	00:17:23
	Push to try and just from a safe side that is really high.	00:17:27
	Important for sales tax and for transportation funding. So we don't get tighten that up, but we we did have.	00:17:34
	Yeah, Thank you, Morgan. We're and we are leaning on if we get into impact fee analysis, science, public finance winged on.	00:17:42
	Uh, Mountain Lions Association of Government, there are some of their.	00:17:51
	Uh, estimates for population?	00:17:55
	Umm, so it depends on what exactly we're talking about. For general planning, uh, your planners for estimates are definitely a	00:17:57
	resource. Really done.	00:18:02
	Yes, and again, this would be a comparison to the NRPA, but not necessarily. But we have umm.	00:18:13
	UMM recommended.	00:18:21
	OK, so now for our recommendation.	00:18:32
	OK, I'm gonna let you something.	00:18:36
	No, Perfect.	00:18:39
	I get tired of hearing from you.	00:18:41
	So, uh, this view in California captures. So there's the white rectangle, there's squares, and that would be a facility such as a	00:18:44
	rec center. And then at this point we've layered in.	00:18:50
	We're still showing the existing amenities, so you can see that spatially.	00:18:57
	Umm, however.	00:19:00
	With the the facilities group, there's there's amenities that are grouped there.	00:19:02
	Umm, as.	00:19:08
	Uh, earlier phase.	00:19:10
	Or horizon so for example.	00:19:12
	Umm, if we're looking at Utah City.	00:19:14
	Later on in the document, we we wanted to prioritize land acquisition right off the bat.	00:19:16
	Umm, and we don't necessarily know.	00:19:22
	Uh, and maybe that's a conversation that we need to have if, if there's policy.	00:19:24
	Umm, to acquire that land or so that's not something we've dug into specifically through our master planning process, but will be	00:19:29
	important for Vineyard.	00:19:33
	As we're umm, looking forward to to future levels of service.	00:19:38
	And distribution.	00:19:42
	Umm and so the you know the the white squares and rectangles, those represent the facilities and.	00:19:44
	One notable location would be again in Park. Uh, so #24.	00:19:50
	It'll lower it on the map there.	00:19:55
	And you guys are more familiar with them. So Community Center, umm, that's something that.	00:19:57
	Uh, we're looking to in the, in the near future, so the horizon can, can exhibit different aspects of the amenities. So there's	00:20:02
	outdoor amenities.	00:20:07
	Otherwise, those are proposed for 2025 to 2035 and lining in that horizon.	00:20:12
	Umm, and then.	00:20:17
	That there there could be land acquisition that happens before the head depending on.	00:20:19
	Umm, which lo location? And then if you were talking about?	00:20:25
	And so this, you know, there's so much to go through. And this reflects, uh, the public input as a lens. This reflects the NRPA.	00:20:29
	You know the the national standards and.	00:20:39
	Uh, comparing.	00:20:41
	Uh, trends and so, so our different lenses before we actually start.	00:20:43
	Proposing umm.	00:20:47
	Capital improvements like we are here.	00:20:49
	Uh, just to know. Umm.	00:20:52
	So the standard is.	00:20:55
	To do the vibe 2035 or do the 5/20/45 this is going to be a good you have to wait until 2035. Once you do that, yeah, and and the	00:20:58
	plan it it says one of the immediate needs of the dog park.	00:21:04
	I don't see that anywhere identified #17 on any other map saying where.	00:21:10
	A dog park would actually be proposed.	00:21:16
	I think that you have a really good eye because that is the last one that we need to integrate.	00:21:19
	Umm. And so I'm glad we're trying at the work session you were.	00:21:25
	You're exactly right.	00:21:29
	That that one still does need looked at and that will make that a conversation with Brian. Yeah. And just.	00:21:31
	Just so you know, so our.	00:21:38
	Master plan UMM identified 2 areas for possible gone far from the other target UMM so quite developed in one champion system part.	00:21:42
	Uh, so there's been hearing that it's been identified and then also had.	00:21:53
	Uh.	00:21:59
	Yeah, wetland right now.	00:22:04
	But we actually think it's not wetland that that was shown in the historic and now that's when the development occurs and now we	00:22:05
	shut off. So there's there's still some water there, but it's not, it's not.	00:22:11
	Before like 25 acres of bloodline, a lot less.	00:22:17
	Umm, so there's an area there, and then there was a third one and there was places during the week.	00:22:20
	Yesterday, account increase, umm, the council talked about, uh, priorities in the next year, even just getting something. Mm-hmm.	00:22:25
	There are several applications.	00:22:34
	Huh. Perfect. Thanks.	00:22:37
	Umm, as part of the Utah City development, are they proposing a stadium?	00:22:39
	Uh, item number 29 on the show stadium there.	00:22:46
	And that was a recommendation for?	00:22:50
	The nearer future sentencing A-Team center.	00:22:52
	And I would just question priorities there unless there is something proposed that I'm not familiar with 29.	00:22:56
	Uh.	00:23:04
	Let me think of that.	00:23:08
	So there's 30, that's the 10. Center 23, is that what we're looking at? 27 neurons by Rick, Rick, center 28.	00:23:09
	Uh, Aquatic Center.	00:23:16
	19130 I I also said it's fine. Where's the stadium? Sorry, MLB stadium.	00:23:18
	You're near that large like it. They're both. So those are both in the 10 year frame.	00:23:27
	OK.	00:23:33
	And I don't, I haven't seen it, just you I'm, I'm not finding the 29.	00:23:36
	OK. Anyway, that's great.	00:23:41
	Here.	00:23:44
	Because that's the stadium and then this is the team center, but I was referring to was on slide.	00:23:45
	19 of what I'm looking at where as the proposed amenities on the left and the legend on the right, umm has a little table.	00:23:51
	Of everything. And it shows team centers as a distant plan where our stadium is more immediate.	00:23:58
	Umm, and.	00:24:04
	I'm fine with it if you. There we go.	00:24:05
	Right. Utah City is already proposing to put in a stadium of sorts, and maybe the definition of stadium is loose, meaning it's a	00:24:08
	valuable court that has stamps in it. If something like that, great, No problem.	00:24:14
	Umm, I just wanna make sure we're not doing something like that.	00:24:20
	At the judgment of like a team center, which I think might be more of a priority. Well in this chart here, so we have a recent	00:24:24
	refund since you have a good plan. Umm and so we actually haven't really.	00:24:29
	Worked with you guys, not much to see what you want to pull from the 10 year plan over to the five year plan and that's why we	00:24:34
	have this blank.	00:24:38
	Column and so that's what we're hoping to to hone in with you during this question like what are we wanna we've ever done	00:24:41
	immediately.	00:24:45
	Sounds like Team Center, yeah. Anything that's sort of community based, yes.	00:24:50
	Come over to the lab. I think team center is linked with a Community Center with some basketball courts and just all rec center	00:24:55
	type things.	00:24:58
	Based off the survey responses and our other plans, not that all together, OK, everything, yeah. And I don't know how 100% sure I	00:25:02
	could see that, but we've talked with like.	00:25:07
	I could give you that.	00:25:12
	About potentially having, sure.	00:25:14
	Is that there's fifty other maybe some part of our partner.	00:25:21
	Future, uh, for if there's something where you have to access so or for successful, but it is right now.	00:25:26
	OK yeah I just before this goes to other bodies to review, I was just umm, wanna highlight the item 29 on the map because where	00:25:36
	that's located makes everyone think so.	00:25:42
	I'm at the grocery store.	00:25:47
	Yeah. I wonder as we're as we're finalizing and refining if, if we?	00:25:50
	If there's a layer or some way that we exhibit what's more set in stone and and really intentional versus.	00:25:56
	You know, cement is a little bit more pain. What's already entitled?	00:26:02
	A great idea about something that that we can articulate better as we develop.	00:26:05
	Umm, what's nice? People like pictures too, and so an easy overlay of our content plans and side plans that can just go on there.	00:26:11
	OK, you have already on the work too. OK the individual product.	00:26:21
	Well, from private developers, that's what I'm saying.	00:26:27
	Such as like the lakeside development that that would be visited here right now.	00:26:31
	Umm, OK, that makes sense. And then these are the actual amenities proposed, not not just interpret comparison.	00:26:36
	Uh, so just California capitalizing all of what you're seeing in the exhibits?	00:26:44
	OK.	00:26:49
	Yeah, so then we, umm, spent some time looking at the, again, the public parts that you have.	00:26:54
	Umm, and the amenities and where they might, where they might be located within those parts. And some of these were or amenities,	00:27:00
	but you've already identified that our project that you're starting and others or just tests that.	00:27:06
	You know where you can play the tax, for example, Umm, and again, we do, you know, some of these we we're going to want to move up	00:27:12
	to be more immediate.	00:27:16
	So, umm.	00:27:21
	You know the feedback that you can go on that.	00:27:22
	Would be great until we pick up the next draft to to show those immediate improvements. But yeah, so we should have the Lakeside	00:27:24
	Sports Complex with the diamond sales and the tennis court.	00:27:29
	Undergrowth Park Umm you have a zipped off.	00:27:33
	Umm, course plan there, and there's, umm, the pickleball court plan there.	00:27:37
	To be clear, that's to replace the existing tennis courts that are underutilized and making them.	00:27:43
	Converting them to pickleball courts.	00:27:49
	Like, yeah, yeah.	00:27:51
	Umm, And then here's the this City Hall site, umm, and the courts skate park. And then we need to add a umm, a label that you,	00:27:53
	let's say, wanted to have them in the umm optical course here.	00:27:59
	Umm, and then here's the one. There's a dog park.	00:28:05
	That we had is on track on this one. So on the Gammon Vineyard.	00:28:10
	Heritage part not.	00:28:13
	Where I think we're gonna put dog park.	00:28:15
	Yeah, we need to empty that and then, umm, then they'll hold away fields. That's the private development, umm, that's underway.	00:28:18
	But it looks like you have done, umm, sort of.	00:28:22
	They had space for community, open space.	00:28:27
	We are recommending the diamond field and the hotline.	00:28:31
	Umm. And then we got into the cost analysis.	00:28:41
	Umm oh, that was the wrong, sorry.	00:28:48
	Umm, I have some.	00:28:52
	Let me see. So, so this is again the same, the same information that you're looking at before, but it gives umm.	00:28:53
	The cost?	00:28:58
	Of how much umm improvement would.	00:29:01
	Would be umm and this is where we talked about the phasing.	00:29:04
	Some sort of a different focuses. So now the focus would be land acquisition.	00:29:09
	Umm, the year to five year plan still banned acquisition, but I think we're gonna wanna identify which ones from the five year.	00:29:13
	5 to 10 year plan where you're gonna move over to the umm, priorities and it sounds like Community Center, team center, umm, the	00:29:20
	public facilities are gonna wanna move up to be more immediate umm.	00:29:24
	Umm and then, you know, continuing to work on umm and then the improvements.	00:29:30
	Umm. And then the last.	00:29:35
	Decade would be, you know, building out.	00:29:38
	Umm, you know, the things that are, you know, amenities and facilities that are listed on the plan that just, you know, hadn't	00:29:41
	gotten built. So by then you should have the, the population to support, umm, finishing out this capital improvement plan.	00:29:47
	Yeah. On the, on the impact fees, you mentioned earlier the impact ARC study, we don't see a current the 4A Parks and Recreation.	00:29:54
	So this would be, this is a new proposed impact fee that would be coming. Yeah, exactly. So this this would apply to you umm.	00:30:01
	New new development would pay a fee, UMM and further, further impact what we've done in the past is negotiated as UMM, as	00:30:09
	developers came in with like their special purpose zoning districts. That's how we got UMM.	00:30:16
	Grove Park, Sunset Beach Park, we got all those parks just kind of negotiating the zoning, but in the future if we want to apply a	00:30:23
	car impact fee.	00:30:27
	How many more units are?	00:30:32
	Are we anticipating a range to still be filled out in the years?	00:30:34
	Umm, so if you take I mean I don't have anything exact number.	00:30:39
	Because Yeah, yeah, the, the downtown is, is developed to kind of umm, right size with, with the market as you come in.	00:30:42
	Umm, but I mean you could have.	00:30:50
	You know, if we're looking at a potential, umm.	00:30:52
	Umm, population. Uh.	00:30:56
	Umm, kind of.	00:30:58
	Top, you know, 40 to 50,000. I mean you you'd be looking at potentially another like.	00:30:59
	6 to you know, 8000 units it it really depends on like the makeup of those kids if you get more condos, more apartments or to get	00:31:05
	count homes.	00:31:10
	Umm, I know that even in the downtown that they are planning some people's family as well. Umm.	00:31:15
	And so, you know, it just kind of depends on on the.	00:31:21
	I said the types of units that come out how, how much of this would be covered to cost here by potential impact fees and how much	00:31:24
	would come from?	00:31:28
	Other property or sales taxes, is that something?	00:31:33
	Discuss.	00:31:37
	I don't know. Yeah, yeah.	00:31:39
	Yeah. No, that's, that's an item that we can provide more.	00:31:43
	Data.	00:31:48
	In a couple of weeks when we present again, uh, I think it'd be, I don't know if it's possible to just get in the analysis here	00:31:49
	just because I know that's been a hot topic on other discussions.	00:31:54
	Like even here, if it was 6000 and you spread this cost across all impact fees, that would be multiple times more than any impact	00:31:59
	fee we currently have. So then it does indicate much of the cost to come from some sort of tax revenue. So just I think a plan of	00:32:05
	this is what the impact of that is.	00:32:11
	So then we can avoid speculation in the future of what?	00:32:17
	And I I think the impact on foreign design, public, umm, finance.	00:32:21
	This is doing that I I think that that that.	00:32:25
	Alright, thank you.	00:32:29
	The the hope is that that would be something that's integrated into this document. It's just clearing transparent.	00:32:31
	An additional disclaimer.	00:32:39
	Uh, if you don't mind.	00:32:41
	These costs are reflecting not, not facility and capital instruments like, uh, a building.	00:32:43
	Umm, but you know, outdoor recreation like sports courts, uh, sports fields and, and the like. Umm and then additionally, it's	00:32:50
	just.	00:32:54
	We're, we're still in the tail end of dialing in these numbers. And so I think as we make an effort to.	00:32:59
	And compare.	00:33:06
	The impact fees.	00:33:08
	Umm, we can have a clearer picture of of what can we do right now and what needs additional funding.	00:33:10
	Yeah. And then we just added information to the appendix obviously. So umm, the NRPA calculations again, umm and then some	00:33:25
	processment information. And I think that we should probably link more from the impact fee analysis, umm, into the connectivity.	00:33:29
	You can refer to that and have.	00:33:34
	Umm, backpack checking if anyone else.	00:33:39
	Umm.	00:33:42
	So that is what we brought to the table. Umm.	00:33:43
	Your comments have been really, really helpful and.	00:33:47
	Wondering what the.	00:33:50
	The best, uh, way to to user time would be to umm, I mean, we can definitely provide this document to you and you can just mark it	00:33:52
	up and put all your comments on that. I mean, that might be the most effective.	00:33:57
	Umm, things to do, but if you.	00:34:03
	I would love to hear more comments. So all of this is part of the agenda. I would.	00:34:05
	Recommend just to use time wisely for all of us.	00:34:10
	Is to take a deep dive.	00:34:14
	And e-mail city staff if we have any particular question or concern or comment that we want raised.	00:34:17
	Umm, make sure you don't do reply off as that wouldn't.	00:34:23
	Be part of the Unicorn. Just send it individually to.	00:34:26
	Any staff umm you can tell me if you feel differently?	00:34:30
	Yeah, feel free to send that to me as the city staff that would.	00:34:34
	Wonderful, since I'm kind of the main Rep working with that. So if you'll send that to me, Brian, that'd be great.	00:34:37
	All right, uh, before moving on, thank you so much for the presentation. Uh.	00:34:43
	Wanna ask if there's any members of the Commission that have any questions or comments?	00:34:47
	For the body pertaining to this right now.	00:34:52
	OK, seeing none, are there any members of the public that just have a comment or question about this topic that they wanna help?	00:34:56
	Feel free. Umm, you're welcome. Sit down. Thank you.	00:35:03
	Thank you.	00:35:06
	OK, I think so.	00:35:07
	Yeah, you can.	00:35:09
	We might refer to it later, so just hang on and then.	00:35:10
	Uh, Jane Pierce from Cathay.	00:35:15
	Uh, I just have one question. It looks like in UMM.	00:35:17
	And you told me there wasn't going to be any.	00:35:20
	Walking trails.	00:35:23
	We're not even start preventing around it or even through it. Is is that the case or did I miss?	00:35:25
	Let's look at that.	00:35:30
	OK.	00:35:32
	I think that's the only question. We'll upgrade. Is there any other item? OK, thanks.	00:35:33
	OK, umm, I know there will be plenty of public sidewalks throughout that. Staff, do you want to address, umm, what kind of trail	00:35:38
	system is proposed in Utah City? Yeah, and our, our trail NAV should have all that. What we can do is make sure that.	00:35:45
	That's where we have.	00:35:59
	Has probably umm 3 different IT guys and I never get there.	00:36:00
	Umm, but if you look at our trial map, it has, umm, the, the trails in there. So you have the lake promenade. That's the really	00:36:06
	big linear park that's a giant trail in and of itself and has big path to go through it. So I'll take it from the train station	00:36:12
	down to the lake. Then there's the north promenade, which is where HCI hunts and Cancers 2 is gonna be located because that's	00:36:19
	another east West, uh, trail taking you from basically train tracks down down to the lake. You have the lake trail, uh.	00:36:25
	Itself, that'll that'll be improved.	00:36:31
	Umm, and then within the road too, there's a plan to redevelop the Lake Rd. And the Lake Rd. will have large, uh, sidewalks on, on	00:36:33
	both sides of it. Umm, wonderful. Plus the trail with bike lanes. So it'll be a very multimodal St. uh.	00:36:40
	And then umm.	00:36:48
	The, uh, along the railroad tracks.	00:36:49
	On, umm, both sides, there's plans to put, uh to, to put trails on North and South that'll that'll go up through the development.	00:36:52
	And then on the east, what we call East Geneva.	00:36:59
	That portion of Utah City so east of the railroad tracks from downtown UMM.	00:37:03
	There's a plan to be a green loop that will go through and then connect back into the promenade so we can make sure that I I	00:37:09
	actually during the presentation, I.	00:37:12
	Uh, and inform Brian to, to have that those items updated on that plan.	00:37:17
	Thanks. It sounds like on these maps there's opportunities. Umm, because they are just draft maps.	00:37:22
	Perfect all this.	00:37:27
	Umm to show where the class one Class 2?	00:37:28
	Bike trails as well as walking trails, I think that's a great opportunity.	00:37:31
	Yeah. Thanks for bringing that to our attention.	00:37:36
	OK.	00:37:39
	Umm.	00:37:41
	Seeing no other comments, we know that If we have any deeper dive into this, please e-mail Brian.	00:37:43
	Uh, so we can get this into our next agent to approval.	00:37:49
	So thank you so much for your time.	00:37:53
	All right, we'll move on in our agenda. I admit I failed at the beginning to open any public comment for items that are not on the	00:37:56
	agenda. So members of the public, I'm sorry, forgot that time at the beginning. Is there anything that wasn't on the agenda that	00:38:01
	you have a public comment?	00:38:06
	OK.	00:38:14
	Seeing none, we will move on.	00:38:15
	Umm, to the.	00:38:17
	Balance of our agenda.	00:38:19
	Uh, which is just staffing Commission report, so any members of the Commission have anything to report on.	00:38:23
	And then staff, is there anything to report on?	00:38:30
	OK, I have just one request for a future agenda item if that is OK. It doesn't need to be immediate, uh.	00:38:35
	But I would benefit and.	00:38:44
	Members of the Commission, please tell me if you think that's a terrible idea. I would benefit from just a quick report on.	00:38:47
	On what?	00:38:53
	Is in the future when it comes to projects that have already been entitled when it comes to retail space.	00:38:55
	Office space.	00:39:01
	Single family detached unit.	00:39:02
	And multi family or condo or town home type unit just it can even be a quick here you go in the.	00:39:04
	The handout, umm, I just think having a nice, uh, refresher on what has been approved over the past 10 years.	00:39:12
	And what's entitled would be helpful. Umm, you cannot tell me if you don't think that's necessary, but I, I think.	00:39:19
	Yeah, have have have happy to do so. I think there's a lot of new members on the Commission that it helps just oh, it's coming.	00:39:27
	OK, Thank you.	00:39:31
	Umm, other than that.	00:39:37
	I think we're good to adjourn.	00:39:42
	OK, alright, alright.	00:39:43
	Good morning. Thank you, everyone.	00:39:45

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	Somebody did some analysis to look at how, umm, you're using facilities and your plans master plan.	00:00:00
	Umm, your future plans, how they compare to you, uh, national standards?	00:00:06
	Umm, and then we made some recommendations based on one and then these that you're going to want to have based on your projected	00:00:11
	umm population and then also proposed amenities that will fit into.	00:00:16
	Plans that you already have in place and properties, umm, that you might want to develop and and improve. Umm Then we did a cost	00:00:21
	analysis where we saved it out for five years, 10 year, umm, 20 years plan.	00:00:27
	Umm, and that rolls into the work that we did with, uh, Zion.	00:00:34
	And the impact you know, this is this all informs that impact the analysis.	00:00:38
	Umm, And then any additional information is in the attendance that you can go on. I'm, I'm thoroughly looked for you through that.	00:00:43
	Yeah, so this is just all how? Umm.	00:00:56
	How we went through the process.	00:00:58
	Yeah, the high level of executive.	00:01:03
	Yeah, go ahead. Yeah.	00:01:05
	She she asked me to to jump on this. And so it's just a big part of my support. So we didn't want this to be a mystery novel. We	00:01:06
	wanted it to, you know, to establish what what's the point of this master plan right, right from the get go.	00:01:13
	Umm. And so.	00:01:20
	We have our goals and and the vision and it's exciting to work with with your community.	00:01:22
	Umm, you know.	00:01:28
	Providing the goals that you guys already have, we can tell you thin and and.	00:01:30
	Frequent contact with with the community and and.	00:01:34
	We could see that as the public engagement.	00:01:38
	Really aligned with.	00:01:40
	You know, like Vermonter, your vision and.	00:01:42
	Uh, active and healthy community and.	00:01:44
	Some of those things that that we're able to focus on and.	00:01:46
	Really drill down into as we develop the master plan.	00:01:49
	Umm, And so from the get go we want to establish that and just lay it out that.	00:01:53
	And you know, our whole process was to support your.	00:01:59
	Initiatives.	00:02:03
	Umm, and and take that wherever it goes it went.	00:02:05
	For example, umm.	00:02:08
	Trail connectivity. There's There's an extensive trail network already on the ground for Parks and Recreation.	00:02:11
	And so as an easy priority for us.	00:02:17
	That aligns with the goals and and initiatives.	00:02:19
	Pardon.	00:02:23
	Improve that connectivity.	00:02:24
	And so, uh, items like that and then capital improvements, you know the parts.	00:02:26
	Parks, uh, amenities comes to mind.	00:02:30
	Umm, and you know, how can we just further support, uh, your goals and your, your mission and so.	00:02:33
	Uh, there's, there's the idea of, of the summary and, umm, just laying it out. They're not making this industry novel.	00:02:40
	But, you know, letting everyone know.	00:02:46
	Uh, decision makers in the public and what, what the purpose is so.	00:02:49
	OK, excellent.	00:02:54
	Umm, yeah. So we had identified early on with your stakeholders, Group 5, you know, community health and Wellness and umm.	00:02:57
	Conservation of your natural, umm, environment, basically, you have such a beautiful landscape, umm, and that's what we really	00:03:05
	heard from, from the outreach that we've done is people really.	00:03:09
	Being able to use the pails, being able to access the lake, you know, just being outside.	00:03:14
	Umm, and and that was something they wanted to.	00:03:18
	To preserve.	00:03:22
	Umm, and to be in a, you know, an active community where.	00:03:24
	Enjoy friends and family, umm and getting outside too umm.	00:03:28
	So we are really looking for ways to umm, to enhance that, to maintain that.	00:03:33
	Umm and to provide connectivity where maybe?	00:03:38
	There are different.	00:03:41
	You know, opportunities, but they're not quite, umm, connected yet. So, so we really look at.	00:03:43
	Umm strategic umm, ways to connect what you already have and and what you already have.	00:03:49
	Umm so the first time we, we undertook was, was an expensive inventory. Umm and I'm going to let Saxon talk about the umm, master	00:03:56
	plans that he put together.	00:04:01
	Working on your your master plan particular.	00:04:08
	For Parks and Recreation, with with.	00:04:11
	Brand was especially interesting and especially.	00:04:13
	Uh, uh.	00:04:17
	It was, well, I'll just say it was. It was really helpful to understand and breakdown a lot of the existing master planning.	00:04:19
	And start to think about again going back to the to initiatives and mission and mantra just.	00:04:27
	In your city and does it match?	00:04:33
	And so we really started to inventory UVU, uh.	00:04:36
	You fingered downtown and and.	00:04:40
	Even a proposed development that had some.	00:04:42
	Subdivision planning and so pulling that all together, umm, what's important for inventorying, what amenities are.	00:04:45
	Umm, already on in the ground? What amenities are already being proposed?	00:04:52
	And how do we fill in the gaps?	00:04:57
	Umm, you know, there are limited resources. We don't do so much capital improvement.	00:05:00
	What needs are are are missing so?	00:05:05
	Umm, physically the trail connectivity is one example. And then.	00:05:08
	Umm, some of the amenities and how we prioritize those.	00:05:14
	Umm, it was the next step as we move from inventory to analysis, identifying.	00:05:17
	Those things so I think I overstepped I I went beyond inventory here, but.	00:05:23
	Umm.	00:05:29
	Umm, so trails in transit we're thinking about.	00:05:36
	The connectivity, umm, a lot of times. Umm what?	00:05:40
	The the demographics that get missed are adolescents who are stuck at home and.	00:05:45
	Uh, suburban city.	00:05:51
	Umm, so there's the transit here. Umm, you guys have already have great infrastructure with with the bike room connectivity there.	00:05:53
	And so we we wrapped our heads around.	00:06:01
	How our our set of things that don't have cars going to get from A to B?	00:06:04
	And I.	00:06:08
	Because the capital improvement going to actually service.	00:06:10
	The full population and not just.	00:06:13
	Dot CR or you know most mobile or.	00:06:15
	You know, not necessarily everyone. Umm.	00:06:20
	Click through here.	00:06:23
	Come into the next.	00:06:26
	Let it go.	00:06:28
	There we go.	00:06:29
	And so, umm, yeah.	00:06:30
	You'll see this graphic we're trying to be consistent with with our graphics.	00:06:32
	Umm, just easily recognizable.	00:06:36
	Umm and users as as the reader or?	00:06:38
	Our decision makers are not theory oriented here.	00:06:43
	Umm. So now here we're exhibiting.	00:06:46
	What amenities are already built?	00:06:49
	Umm, pretty simple.	00:06:52
	The organization is based off the NRPA.	00:06:53
	International Parks and Recreation Association.	00:06:57
	Umm, and that would be important later.	00:07:00
	Umm, as we start to compare.	00:07:02
	To the overall.	00:07:05
	Umm, national trends and statistics averages.	00:07:08
	We wanna know where Vineyard.	00:07:12
	Have been your compares.	00:07:14
	For the rest of the nation.	00:07:16
	Umm, so that's back story with.	00:07:17
	Uh, organization there.	00:07:20
	Umm. And then we also identified potential future part locations.	00:07:23
	And so not necessarily set in stone, there's different.	00:07:27
	Uh, level of planning, but not built yet, so the red areas exhibit those.	00:07:30
	Uh, per space potential park spaces?	00:07:37
	Just give me one moment here.	00:07:43
	And so going down identifying the parts.	00:07:46
	Spaces. Is there anything you want me to touch on with it? Or you can.	00:07:50
	And maybe maybe just come through here. Umm, yeah, we can just send them. Yeah. So we might get to the to the meet of it. Umm, but	00:07:54
	yeah, we but the challenge that we have is we have hyper development. You have existing public, you have teachers, public open	00:08:00
	space and sales. All of that inventory really sort of brings that.	00:08:05
	To a cohesive body of work so we can identify it, but not gonna be umm.	00:08:11
	Obviously here we we looked at, you know, some of these are public and some of these are in some way.	00:08:18
	And so.	00:08:22
	So if you don't have a venom, see, like if you have a private, you know, new pool coming in, but then you wanna fill the public	00:08:24
	pool, like how do we reconcile that or that that consultancy or somebody who's done this is calculated. There's a recommendation	00:08:28
	for umm.	00:08:33
	There's a, you know, the first time it was a recommendation like for for those many people that you want to have.	00:08:39
	You know those many activities, right? And so we put the HOA, existing amenities and we divide them by half.	00:08:45
	Because they do exist, so they're not public about what you did when they come from.	00:08:53
	Can I ask where that standard comes from?	00:09:00
	Mm-hmm.	00:09:03
	Rep.	00:09:06
	Yeah.	00:09:09
	So are you asking about the 50%?	00:09:11
	Yeah, that's all part time right for you, that's all. I'm just wondering. Yeah, not necessarily the.	00:09:17
	How did they come up with why the 50% of HOA or why that where the numbers clarify that?	00:09:21
	Well, the 50% was actually driven by us as we looked at how much of the population is.	00:09:30
	Surface by the HOA amenities. So the NRPA didn't write that. What they do drive it are the thresholds for each of the amenities.	00:09:36
	It's like how many on average, umm how how many people in in the city?	00:09:43
	Umm, are, are there per every amenities. So if there's a, you know, 1000 people per stickable, that's not a real one, but for	00:09:50
	example. And so there's that threshold and that's what the NMPA establishes and then we can run with that.	00:09:57
	And just compared to the average of the sample, so 50% US.	00:10:04
	That that can be adjusted.	00:10:09
	Yeah, please let me go through that. In the morning, we looked at your, your, your other spaces, UMM identified which ones were	00:10:13
	public and which ones were SOA.	00:10:17
	Umm. And then this information.	00:10:22
	Yeah, yeah, yeah. A quick question about the standard.	00:10:25
	Yeah, the standards those are.	00:10:29
	Best case.	00:10:32
	Standard.	00:10:35
	So many people.	00:10:37
	This is what you should have as.	00:10:38
	A, uh, astronomena gate.	00:10:42
	In a in a perfect world.	00:10:46
	Yes, it's not a a little obviously or a loss. It's just the recommendations. Yeah, there's.	00:10:48
	And it's just when.	00:10:54
	One layer or one lens to where we actually make decisions about which capital improvements are best and most important for	00:10:56
	vineyards.	00:11:00
	Umm.	00:11:05
	Gonna say one other thing about it.	00:11:07
	Uh, with the, the HOA, uh, amenities.	00:11:09
	Uh, you know, we're, we're trying to maximize the, the level of service and the dollar that we spend for these amenities.	00:11:13
	Umm, so if a lot of the population in the HOA development is.	00:11:21
	Do have playgrounds?	00:11:25
	And we don't wanna build another playground right next door now if that changes, since the city doesn't publicly control.	00:11:27
	At HOA Playground.	00:11:34
	That's where you know we.	00:11:35
	We have these thresholds where we can lean back. We can.	00:11:37
	Take a step back and look at that and say, OK, now we're a little bit low, do we want to reconsider?	00:11:40
	Or re repiritize the benefits.	00:11:47
	For the coming Friday.	00:11:50
	OK. Umm, yeah. So then we look at the public parts that you have and look at the amenities that you have and how how large they	00:11:57
	are. And some of these are eligible for impact fees based on how large they are.	00:12:02
	Umm, and say that again inform the UMM impact fee analysis.	00:12:08
	Umm. And then this is just a umm.	00:12:13
	Service not shot on some of the questions that we asked out of the UMM.	00:12:15
	The public account resets, in your case, umm.	00:12:20
	And if you dig into this, you can see that people really were driven by getting out with their kids. Umm.	00:12:23
	And and being outside umm.	00:12:30
	They also mentioned that there was a lot of interest in, uh, rec centers and pools and there, you know, as you know, they're going	00:12:33
	to.	00:12:37
	Umm, the Orem facility, umm, there's a, a, umm, synergy there. So we've talked more about how to sort of.	00:12:41
	You know, continue that arrangement, but I'll say what down, you know, long into the horizon and and when you're gonna want to	00:12:47
	build your own here. Umm, and when that would be.	00:12:52
	Uh, supported by the growing population.	00:12:57
	That's so slow.	00:13:05
	So there we go.	00:13:09
	OK, so then we go into the analysis. Umm, and we're looking here. I'm gonna let you.	00:13:11
	OK, OK.	00:13:17
	Umm. I think this is more.	00:13:18
	Inventory, well, this is where.	00:13:22
	Umm, at least in the narrative we're describing the.	00:13:24
	Umm.	00:13:27
	What's already funded the previous planning and identifying those gaps like I mentioned before.	00:13:29
	Umm, in particular with with the trails at this point in the master plan.	00:13:34
	Umm.	00:13:39
	Yeah. I mean, I mean that that that's been a critical element in focus throughout, throughout the whole planning process.	00:13:43
	Umm. So we just wanted to make sure we have.	00:13:49
	Clear expectations and that that was a driver from the get go.	00:13:52
	Yeah, so you can return an option to be aware you are looking at somebody or umm, meeting connectivity.	00:13:57
	OK, and then this is where we get into the NRTA standards, umm and we just umm, and we did want to review with umm with you guys	00:14:08
	more to get updated numbers when we started.	00:14:13
	Umm, there was a $20,000, uh, 2020 thousand people. Umm, and then you're done. I think that.	00:14:18
	Now I think it was 21,000 umm, So we just wanna make sure that we're we're getting those correct on that before we umm.	00:14:26
	Before we submit this as a final draft.	00:14:33
	Umm. And then this is when we go into what you currently have.	00:14:36
	Umm, and then you're not the 2025 and how it relates to national standards. So you have many more playgrounds than UMM.	00:14:41
	The typical city which is which is great and right So if you're demographic.	00:14:50
	Yeah, counting the intervals. Umm. But then because that's where you have a negative number because we're not, Yeah.	00:14:55
	According to this, they would not suggest building.	00:15:00
	Any umm, but umm, then you go down a little further and you see that, you know, you're a little low on the tennis courts, you're a	00:15:04
	little low on the pickleball courts. And so you can see those metrics from this this graph. So to clarify, in this table, the	00:15:10
	numbers indicate the suggested.	00:15:16
	Development or construction of these amenities Yes. And it's not the suggestion that we are suggesting in the master plan. It's	00:15:22
	just saying this is how it compares yeah. And so then that rolls into where we are suggesting to get rid of 11 playgrounds. No,	00:15:30
	absolutely not. And quick question on the previous part, you mentioned 21,000, uh, population.	00:15:37
	Uh, where? Where is that based off? Or what? What? What's the source there?	00:15:46
	Umm providing public finance. They estimated lower and and some of this.	00:15:51
	Vineyards, population, we're doing our best. Yeah, I can the 20.	00:15:57
	Go ahead. Yeah. Umm, so that's.	00:16:03
	Just shout.	00:16:08
	So that, that that's the number that's continually being refined because of our, our.	00:16:10
	Our mental optimization to population of.	00:16:15
	Proximity between 17.	00:16:19
	Based off of our appetite.	00:16:49
	And then multiply.	00:16:52
	Those, those are pretty tough. The census itself, umm.	00:17:03
	And there are several.	00:17:07
	Umm, so that's, that's kind of an internal.	00:17:12
	That number that we've used based on what the tests did and some of the multiplied.	00:17:16
	Hopefully we get that tightened up. I know that.	00:17:23
	Push to try and just from a safe side that is really high.	00:17:27
	Important for sales tax and for transportation funding. So we don't get tighten that up, but we we did have.	00:17:34
	Yeah, Thank you, Morgan. We're and we are leaning on if we get into impact fee analysis, science, public finance winged on.	00:17:42
	Uh, Mountain Lions Association of Government, there are some of their.	00:17:51
	Uh, estimates for population?	00:17:55
	Umm, so it depends on what exactly we're talking about. For general planning, uh, your planners for estimates are definitely a	00:17:57
	resource. Really done.	00:18:02
	Yes, and again, this would be a comparison to the NRPA, but not necessarily. But we have umm.	00:18:13
	UMM recommended.	00:18:21
	OK, so now for our recommendation.	00:18:32
	OK, I'm gonna let you something.	00:18:36
	No, Perfect.	00:18:39
	I get tired of hearing from you.	00:18:41
	So, uh, this view in California captures. So there's the white rectangle, there's squares, and that would be a facility such as a	00:18:44
	rec center. And then at this point we've layered in.	00:18:50
	We're still showing the existing amenities, so you can see that spatially.	00:18:57
	Umm, however.	00:19:00
	With the the facilities group, there's there's amenities that are grouped there.	00:19:02
	Umm, as.	00:19:08
	Uh, earlier phase.	00:19:10
	Or horizon so for example.	00:19:12
	Umm, if we're looking at Utah City.	00:19:14
	Later on in the document, we we wanted to prioritize land acquisition right off the bat.	00:19:16
	Umm, and we don't necessarily know.	00:19:22
	Uh, and maybe that's a conversation that we need to have if, if there's policy.	00:19:24
	Umm, to acquire that land or so that's not something we've dug into specifically through our master planning process, but will be	00:19:29
	important for Vineyard.	00:19:33
	As we're umm, looking forward to to future levels of service.	00:19:38
	And distribution.	00:19:42
	Umm and so the you know the the white squares and rectangles, those represent the facilities and.	00:19:44
	One notable location would be again in Park. Uh, so #24.	00:19:50
	It'll lower it on the map there.	00:19:55
	And you guys are more familiar with them. So Community Center, umm, that's something that.	00:19:57
	Uh, we're looking to in the, in the near future, so the horizon can, can exhibit different aspects of the amenities. So there's	00:20:02
	outdoor amenities.	00:20:07
	Otherwise, those are proposed for 2025 to 2035 and lining in that horizon.	00:20:12
	Umm, and then.	00:20:17
	That there there could be land acquisition that happens before the head depending on.	00:20:19
	Umm, which lo location? And then if you were talking about?	00:20:25
	And so this, you know, there's so much to go through. And this reflects, uh, the public input as a lens. This reflects the NRPA.	00:20:29
	You know the the national standards and.	00:20:39
	Uh, comparing.	00:20:41
	Uh, trends and so, so our different lenses before we actually start.	00:20:43
	Proposing umm.	00:20:47
	Capital improvements like we are here.	00:20:49
	Uh, just to know. Umm.	00:20:52
	So the standard is.	00:20:55
	To do the vibe 2035 or do the 5/20/45 this is going to be a good you have to wait until 2035. Once you do that, yeah, and and the	00:20:58
	plan it it says one of the immediate needs of the dog park.	00:21:04
	I don't see that anywhere identified #17 on any other map saying where.	00:21:10
	A dog park would actually be proposed.	00:21:16
	I think that you have a really good eye because that is the last one that we need to integrate.	00:21:19
	Umm. And so I'm glad we're trying at the work session you were.	00:21:25
	You're exactly right.	00:21:29
	That that one still does need looked at and that will make that a conversation with Brian. Yeah. And just.	00:21:31
	Just so you know, so our.	00:21:38
	Master plan UMM identified 2 areas for possible gone far from the other target UMM so quite developed in one champion system part.	00:21:42
	Uh, so there's been hearing that it's been identified and then also had.	00:21:53
	Uh.	00:21:59
	Yeah, wetland right now.	00:22:04
	But we actually think it's not wetland that that was shown in the historic and now that's when the development occurs and now we	00:22:05
	shut off. So there's there's still some water there, but it's not, it's not.	00:22:11
	Before like 25 acres of bloodline, a lot less.	00:22:17
	Umm, so there's an area there, and then there was a third one and there was places during the week.	00:22:20
	Yesterday, account increase, umm, the council talked about, uh, priorities in the next year, even just getting something. Mm-hmm.	00:22:25
	There are several applications.	00:22:34
	Huh. Perfect. Thanks.	00:22:37
	Umm, as part of the Utah City development, are they proposing a stadium?	00:22:39
	Uh, item number 29 on the show stadium there.	00:22:46
	And that was a recommendation for?	00:22:50
	The nearer future sentencing A-Team center.	00:22:52
	And I would just question priorities there unless there is something proposed that I'm not familiar with 29.	00:22:56
	Uh.	00:23:04
	Let me think of that.	00:23:08
	So there's 30, that's the 10. Center 23, is that what we're looking at? 27 neurons by Rick, Rick, center 28.	00:23:09
	Uh, Aquatic Center.	00:23:16
	19130 I I also said it's fine. Where's the stadium? Sorry, MLB stadium.	00:23:18
	You're near that large like it. They're both. So those are both in the 10 year frame.	00:23:27
	OK.	00:23:33
	And I don't, I haven't seen it, just you I'm, I'm not finding the 29.	00:23:36
	OK. Anyway, that's great.	00:23:41
	Here.	00:23:44
	Because that's the stadium and then this is the team center, but I was referring to was on slide.	00:23:45
	19 of what I'm looking at where as the proposed amenities on the left and the legend on the right, umm has a little table.	00:23:51
	Of everything. And it shows team centers as a distant plan where our stadium is more immediate.	00:23:58
	Umm, and.	00:24:04
	I'm fine with it if you. There we go.	00:24:05
	Right. Utah City is already proposing to put in a stadium of sorts, and maybe the definition of stadium is loose, meaning it's a	00:24:08
	valuable court that has stamps in it. If something like that, great, No problem.	00:24:14
	Umm, I just wanna make sure we're not doing something like that.	00:24:20
	At the judgment of like a team center, which I think might be more of a priority. Well in this chart here, so we have a recent	00:24:24
	refund since you have a good plan. Umm and so we actually haven't really.	00:24:29
	Worked with you guys, not much to see what you want to pull from the 10 year plan over to the five year plan and that's why we	00:24:34
	have this blank.	00:24:38
	Column and so that's what we're hoping to to hone in with you during this question like what are we wanna we've ever done	00:24:41
	immediately.	00:24:45
	Sounds like Team Center, yeah. Anything that's sort of community based, yes.	00:24:50
	Come over to the lab. I think team center is linked with a Community Center with some basketball courts and just all rec center	00:24:55
	type things.	00:24:58
	Based off the survey responses and our other plans, not that all together, OK, everything, yeah. And I don't know how 100% sure I	00:25:02
	could see that, but we've talked with like.	00:25:07
	I could give you that.	00:25:12
	About potentially having, sure.	00:25:14
	Is that there's fifty other maybe some part of our partner.	00:25:21
	Future, uh, for if there's something where you have to access so or for successful, but it is right now.	00:25:26
	OK yeah I just before this goes to other bodies to review, I was just umm, wanna highlight the item 29 on the map because where	00:25:36
	that's located makes everyone think so.	00:25:42
	I'm at the grocery store.	00:25:47
	Yeah. I wonder as we're as we're finalizing and refining if, if we?	00:25:50
	If there's a layer or some way that we exhibit what's more set in stone and and really intentional versus.	00:25:56
	You know, cement is a little bit more pain. What's already entitled?	00:26:02
	A great idea about something that that we can articulate better as we develop.	00:26:05
	Umm, what's nice? People like pictures too, and so an easy overlay of our content plans and side plans that can just go on there.	00:26:11
	OK, you have already on the work too. OK the individual product.	00:26:21
	Well, from private developers, that's what I'm saying.	00:26:27
	Such as like the lakeside development that that would be visited here right now.	00:26:31
	Umm, OK, that makes sense. And then these are the actual amenities proposed, not not just interpret comparison.	00:26:36
	Uh, so just California capitalizing all of what you're seeing in the exhibits?	00:26:44
	OK.	00:26:49
	Yeah, so then we, umm, spent some time looking at the, again, the public parts that you have.	00:26:54
	Umm, and the amenities and where they might, where they might be located within those parts. And some of these were or amenities,	00:27:00
	but you've already identified that our project that you're starting and others or just tests that.	00:27:06
	You know where you can play the tax, for example, Umm, and again, we do, you know, some of these we we're going to want to move up	00:27:12
	to be more immediate.	00:27:16
	So, umm.	00:27:21
	You know the feedback that you can go on that.	00:27:22
	Would be great until we pick up the next draft to to show those immediate improvements. But yeah, so we should have the Lakeside	00:27:24
	Sports Complex with the diamond sales and the tennis court.	00:27:29
	Undergrowth Park Umm you have a zipped off.	00:27:33
	Umm, course plan there, and there's, umm, the pickleball court plan there.	00:27:37
	To be clear, that's to replace the existing tennis courts that are underutilized and making them.	00:27:43
	Converting them to pickleball courts.	00:27:49
	Like, yeah, yeah.	00:27:51
	Umm, And then here's the this City Hall site, umm, and the courts skate park. And then we need to add a umm, a label that you,	00:27:53
	let's say, wanted to have them in the umm optical course here.	00:27:59
	Umm, and then here's the one. There's a dog park.	00:28:05
	That we had is on track on this one. So on the Gammon Vineyard.	00:28:10
	Heritage part not.	00:28:13
	Where I think we're gonna put dog park.	00:28:15
	Yeah, we need to empty that and then, umm, then they'll hold away fields. That's the private development, umm, that's underway.	00:28:18
	But it looks like you have done, umm, sort of.	00:28:22
	They had space for community, open space.	00:28:27
	We are recommending the diamond field and the hotline.	00:28:31
	Umm. And then we got into the cost analysis.	00:28:41
	Umm oh, that was the wrong, sorry.	00:28:48
	Umm, I have some.	00:28:52
	Let me see. So, so this is again the same, the same information that you're looking at before, but it gives umm.	00:28:53
	The cost?	00:28:58
	Of how much umm improvement would.	00:29:01
	Would be umm and this is where we talked about the phasing.	00:29:04
	Some sort of a different focuses. So now the focus would be land acquisition.	00:29:09
	Umm, the year to five year plan still banned acquisition, but I think we're gonna wanna identify which ones from the five year.	00:29:13
	5 to 10 year plan where you're gonna move over to the umm, priorities and it sounds like Community Center, team center, umm, the	00:29:20
	public facilities are gonna wanna move up to be more immediate umm.	00:29:24
	Umm and then, you know, continuing to work on umm and then the improvements.	00:29:30
	Umm. And then the last.	00:29:35
	Decade would be, you know, building out.	00:29:38
	Umm, you know, the things that are, you know, amenities and facilities that are listed on the plan that just, you know, hadn't	00:29:41
	gotten built. So by then you should have the, the population to support, umm, finishing out this capital improvement plan.	00:29:47
	Yeah. On the, on the impact fees, you mentioned earlier the impact ARC study, we don't see a current the 4A Parks and Recreation.	00:29:54
	So this would be, this is a new proposed impact fee that would be coming. Yeah, exactly. So this this would apply to you umm.	00:30:01
	New new development would pay a fee, UMM and further, further impact what we've done in the past is negotiated as UMM, as	00:30:09
	developers came in with like their special purpose zoning districts. That's how we got UMM.	00:30:16
	Grove Park, Sunset Beach Park, we got all those parks just kind of negotiating the zoning, but in the future if we want to apply a	00:30:23
	car impact fee.	00:30:27
	How many more units are?	00:30:32
	Are we anticipating a range to still be filled out in the years?	00:30:34
	Umm, so if you take I mean I don't have anything exact number.	00:30:39
	Because Yeah, yeah, the, the downtown is, is developed to kind of umm, right size with, with the market as you come in.	00:30:42
	Umm, but I mean you could have.	00:30:50
	You know, if we're looking at a potential, umm.	00:30:52
	Umm, population. Uh.	00:30:56
	Umm, kind of.	00:30:58
	Top, you know, 40 to 50,000. I mean you you'd be looking at potentially another like.	00:30:59
	6 to you know, 8000 units it it really depends on like the makeup of those kids if you get more condos, more apartments or to get	00:31:05
	count homes.	00:31:10
	Umm, I know that even in the downtown that they are planning some people's family as well. Umm.	00:31:15
	And so, you know, it just kind of depends on on the.	00:31:21
	I said the types of units that come out how, how much of this would be covered to cost here by potential impact fees and how much	00:31:24
	would come from?	00:31:28
	Other property or sales taxes, is that something?	00:31:33
	Discuss.	00:31:37
	I don't know. Yeah, yeah.	00:31:39
	Yeah. No, that's, that's an item that we can provide more.	00:31:43
	Data.	00:31:48
	In a couple of weeks when we present again, uh, I think it'd be, I don't know if it's possible to just get in the analysis here	00:31:49
	just because I know that's been a hot topic on other discussions.	00:31:54
	Like even here, if it was 6000 and you spread this cost across all impact fees, that would be multiple times more than any impact	00:31:59
	fee we currently have. So then it does indicate much of the cost to come from some sort of tax revenue. So just I think a plan of	00:32:05
	this is what the impact of that is.	00:32:11
	So then we can avoid speculation in the future of what?	00:32:17
	And I I think the impact on foreign design, public, umm, finance.	00:32:21
	This is doing that I I think that that that.	00:32:25
	Alright, thank you.	00:32:29
	The the hope is that that would be something that's integrated into this document. It's just clearing transparent.	00:32:31
	An additional disclaimer.	00:32:39
	Uh, if you don't mind.	00:32:41
	These costs are reflecting not, not facility and capital instruments like, uh, a building.	00:32:43
	Umm, but you know, outdoor recreation like sports courts, uh, sports fields and, and the like. Umm and then additionally, it's	00:32:50
	just.	00:32:54
	We're, we're still in the tail end of dialing in these numbers. And so I think as we make an effort to.	00:32:59
	And compare.	00:33:06
	The impact fees.	00:33:08
	Umm, we can have a clearer picture of of what can we do right now and what needs additional funding.	00:33:10
	Yeah. And then we just added information to the appendix obviously. So umm, the NRPA calculations again, umm and then some	00:33:25
	processment information. And I think that we should probably link more from the impact fee analysis, umm, into the connectivity.	00:33:29
	You can refer to that and have.	00:33:34
	Umm, backpack checking if anyone else.	00:33:39
	Umm.	00:33:42
	So that is what we brought to the table. Umm.	00:33:43
	Your comments have been really, really helpful and.	00:33:47
	Wondering what the.	00:33:50
	The best, uh, way to to user time would be to umm, I mean, we can definitely provide this document to you and you can just mark it	00:33:52
	up and put all your comments on that. I mean, that might be the most effective.	00:33:57
	Umm, things to do, but if you.	00:34:03
	I would love to hear more comments. So all of this is part of the agenda. I would.	00:34:05
	Recommend just to use time wisely for all of us.	00:34:10
	Is to take a deep dive.	00:34:14
	And e-mail city staff if we have any particular question or concern or comment that we want raised.	00:34:17
	Umm, make sure you don't do reply off as that wouldn't.	00:34:23
	Be part of the Unicorn. Just send it individually to.	00:34:26
	Any staff umm you can tell me if you feel differently?	00:34:30
	Yeah, feel free to send that to me as the city staff that would.	00:34:34
	Wonderful, since I'm kind of the main Rep working with that. So if you'll send that to me, Brian, that'd be great.	00:34:37
	All right, uh, before moving on, thank you so much for the presentation. Uh.	00:34:43
	Wanna ask if there's any members of the Commission that have any questions or comments?	00:34:47
	For the body pertaining to this right now.	00:34:52
	OK, seeing none, are there any members of the public that just have a comment or question about this topic that they wanna help?	00:34:56
	Feel free. Umm, you're welcome. Sit down. Thank you.	00:35:03
	Thank you.	00:35:06
	OK, I think so.	00:35:07
	Yeah, you can.	00:35:09
	We might refer to it later, so just hang on and then.	00:35:10
	Uh, Jane Pierce from Cathay.	00:35:15
	Uh, I just have one question. It looks like in UMM.	00:35:17
	And you told me there wasn't going to be any.	00:35:20
	Walking trails.	00:35:23
	We're not even start preventing around it or even through it. Is is that the case or did I miss?	00:35:25
	Let's look at that.	00:35:30
	OK.	00:35:32
	I think that's the only question. We'll upgrade. Is there any other item? OK, thanks.	00:35:33
	OK, umm, I know there will be plenty of public sidewalks throughout that. Staff, do you want to address, umm, what kind of trail	00:35:38
	system is proposed in Utah City? Yeah, and our, our trail NAV should have all that. What we can do is make sure that.	00:35:45
	That's where we have.	00:35:59
	Has probably umm 3 different IT guys and I never get there.	00:36:00
	Umm, but if you look at our trial map, it has, umm, the, the trails in there. So you have the lake promenade. That's the really	00:36:06
	big linear park that's a giant trail in and of itself and has big path to go through it. So I'll take it from the train station	00:36:12
	down to the lake. Then there's the north promenade, which is where HCI hunts and Cancers 2 is gonna be located because that's	00:36:19
	another east West, uh, trail taking you from basically train tracks down down to the lake. You have the lake trail, uh.	00:36:25
	Itself, that'll that'll be improved.	00:36:31
	Umm, and then within the road too, there's a plan to redevelop the Lake Rd. And the Lake Rd. will have large, uh, sidewalks on, on	00:36:33
	both sides of it. Umm, wonderful. Plus the trail with bike lanes. So it'll be a very multimodal St. uh.	00:36:40
	And then umm.	00:36:48
	The, uh, along the railroad tracks.	00:36:49
	On, umm, both sides, there's plans to put, uh to, to put trails on North and South that'll that'll go up through the development.	00:36:52
	And then on the east, what we call East Geneva.	00:36:59
	That portion of Utah City so east of the railroad tracks from downtown UMM.	00:37:03
	There's a plan to be a green loop that will go through and then connect back into the promenade so we can make sure that I I	00:37:09
	actually during the presentation, I.	00:37:12
	Uh, and inform Brian to, to have that those items updated on that plan.	00:37:17
	Thanks. It sounds like on these maps there's opportunities. Umm, because they are just draft maps.	00:37:22
	Perfect all this.	00:37:27
	Umm to show where the class one Class 2?	00:37:28
	Bike trails as well as walking trails, I think that's a great opportunity.	00:37:31
	Yeah. Thanks for bringing that to our attention.	00:37:36
	OK.	00:37:39
	Umm.	00:37:41
	Seeing no other comments, we know that If we have any deeper dive into this, please e-mail Brian.	00:37:43
	Uh, so we can get this into our next agent to approval.	00:37:49
	So thank you so much for your time.	00:37:53
	All right, we'll move on in our agenda. I admit I failed at the beginning to open any public comment for items that are not on the	00:37:56
	agenda. So members of the public, I'm sorry, forgot that time at the beginning. Is there anything that wasn't on the agenda that	00:38:01
	you have a public comment?	00:38:06
	OK.	00:38:14
	Seeing none, we will move on.	00:38:15
	Umm, to the.	00:38:17
	Balance of our agenda.	00:38:19
	Uh, which is just staffing Commission report, so any members of the Commission have anything to report on.	00:38:23
	And then staff, is there anything to report on?	00:38:30
	OK, I have just one request for a future agenda item if that is OK. It doesn't need to be immediate, uh.	00:38:35
	But I would benefit and.	00:38:44
	Members of the Commission, please tell me if you think that's a terrible idea. I would benefit from just a quick report on.	00:38:47
	On what?	00:38:53
	Is in the future when it comes to projects that have already been entitled when it comes to retail space.	00:38:55
	Office space.	00:39:01
	Single family detached unit.	00:39:02
	And multi family or condo or town home type unit just it can even be a quick here you go in the.	00:39:04
	The handout, umm, I just think having a nice, uh, refresher on what has been approved over the past 10 years.	00:39:12
	And what's entitled would be helpful. Umm, you cannot tell me if you don't think that's necessary, but I, I think.	00:39:19
	Yeah, have have have happy to do so. I think there's a lot of new members on the Commission that it helps just oh, it's coming.	00:39:27
	OK, Thank you.	00:39:31
	Umm, other than that.	00:39:37
	I think we're good to adjourn.	00:39:42
	OK, alright, alright.	00:39:43
	Good morning. Thank you, everyone.	00:39:45