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OK, strangers, Yeah. 00:00:01
OK. Welcome everybody. 00:00:09
To our UH City of Vineyard Planning Commission meeting of March 19th. 00:00:13
I had a 6:00 PM So we're gonna go ahead and start with item one, which is our call to order, which I just did, and we'll have an 00:00:19
invocation and Pledge of Allegiance by David Pierce. 00:00:25
Hey, let us try. 00:00:33
Our Heavenly Father, we're grateful for the blessings. 00:00:35
That we have of being able to participate as my father in our civil life. 00:00:40
And we pray that. 00:00:45
As we deliberate and. 00:00:48
As we consider the affairs that we are responsible for. 00:00:50
The Thou would touch our hearts and our minds that we may make. 00:00:55
Those decisions. 00:00:59
Which are both. And that's what we say in Jesus name, Amen. Thank you. 00:01:02
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States. 00:01:11
One nation under God, indivisible, with whatever team means, I've got to our all. 00:01:19
Thank you, David, thank you everyone. Uh. 00:01:28
Umm. 00:01:31
Are there any presentations or recognitions or anything that staff is aware of that we need to be aware of? 00:01:32
Seeing none, we'll move on to our public comment. 00:01:40
Are there any members of the public here that would like to comment on any items not on the agenda this evening? 00:01:43
Seeing none, we'll move on to item number 4, which is our consent calendar. 00:01:51
We'll look at the approval of the March 5th Planning Commission draft minutes. 00:01:55
Uh, I does anyone have any questions about the minutes kind of notice? Anyone have a motion to approve? 00:02:00
I make a motion that we approve the March 5th minute. 00:02:05
All right, we have a motion. 00:02:08
Perfect. Do we have a second? Second. 00:02:11
All in favor, aye. Any opposed? 00:02:14
Passes unanimously. Thank you. 00:02:17
Moving on to our only public hearing and business item of the evening, which is the Parks and Recreation Master Plan. 00:02:20
I believe we will have a little presentation by Brian. All right. 00:02:27
Time is yours. 00:02:31
Headed to form. This is loading Umm. 00:03:08
So there's been a number of credits that have occurred in this plan, specifically with the learning of it. 00:03:10
Just getting a working description though. 00:03:17
Umm, there are still some items that need to be. 00:03:22
Solidified on this umm which you will have done before. 00:03:25
Uh, some helpful for the next week. 00:03:29
Umm, but I just want to make you aware of those. 00:03:32
Working on the front one. 00:03:48
Umm. 00:03:52
OK. 00:03:55
So just to go over a few of the edits that are still to behalf, just so that you're aware. 00:03:59
Umm, the way that this. 00:04:05
Uh packet is organized. It has two 8 1/2 by 11 sheets right next to each other. 00:04:07
And I want to make it so that it's easy to print so that it's just 8 1/2 by 11 front and back. 00:04:13
Umm, so I'll just be clearing that up. 00:04:19
Umm, there's some minor editing here, Umm. 00:04:22
I need to switch something on the table of contents to match the pages on there. 00:04:24
Umm. 00:04:29
Let's see. 00:04:32
We might be changing some of the pictures that are in it just so that the pictures are more clear. 00:04:36
Umm, but just a few things that were added since the last time we we met. Umm, we made a list of all of the. 00:04:43
Existing amenities that are provided by the HOA versus. 00:04:51
Vineyard City, just so that, umm, it's easy to identify where those are located and what those quantities are. 00:04:56
Umm. 00:05:04
And then again, the HOA amenities are. 00:05:06
Umm considered as 50% in the overall. 00:05:10
Report of things since HOA is privately owned, umm, it's not open to the public. 00:05:15
Umm. 00:05:23
We organized the table and the parks insurance space so that it's. 00:05:25
Umm, based off of the size acreage of the park, so it's easier to read that way. 00:05:29
Uh, we enhance the description of the amenities provided at each part. 00:05:34
Umm. 00:05:41
We also specified. 00:05:42
All the parts that you know the city overseas or land that is owned as a park for the city. 00:05:45
Umm. 00:05:54
We also increased. 00:05:57
The amount of content that was provided in the land acquisition. 00:05:59
Uh, for inventory. 00:06:03
So before there was like 3 different areas of recommendation for land acquisition. That's been changed to 8. 00:06:05
Umm. 00:06:12
Those are identified on the map. 00:06:14
Let's see we updated some of the pictures. 00:06:21
We put in this table that basically makes it easier to identify the population threshold. 00:06:25
Umm of once you know how you have this many. 00:06:32
Residence. That's when you should be. 00:06:37
Uh, getting another amenity based off of NRPA recommendations? 00:06:40
And standards. 00:06:45
Umm. And then we also did this table that's proposed amenities. We specified it for time period. So what projects are? 00:06:46
Prioritize for the current 2025 calendar year. 00:06:55
And then by 2030, by 2035. 00:06:59
And then by 2045. So you basically have a. 00:07:03
A current year plan, Five year plan, 10 year plan, 20 year plan. 00:07:07
We updated the maps. 00:07:13
So they correlate, uh. 00:07:15
With the wording. 00:07:17
And recommendations? 00:07:18
Umm, as far as a few other changes that do need to be made, we do need to update some of the unit cost on the facilities. 00:07:20
Umm. 00:07:28
Yeah. 00:07:29
So hopefully. 00:07:31
Thank you. 00:07:43
Yeah, yeah, just. 00:07:44
OK. 00:07:50
I just have one question while it's waiting to reboot. Uh, things like the table on umm. 00:07:52
Page 34. When we talked about the NRPA comparison, is that purely interpreting NRPA standards or does that reflect what staff 00:07:57
official recommendation and therefore the plan of the city will be? 00:08:04
Let's see on page 34. 00:08:11
This is based off of. 00:08:14
Uh, just the NRPA recommendation, OK. So it's not necessarily what we will be our plan. 00:08:17
OK, great. 00:08:23
What that was recommending? Excellent. Umm. 00:08:25
This is just to provide kind of a. 00:08:28
Example based on therapy standards. 00:08:32
What they recommend, but of course. 00:08:34
Vineyard is unique. 00:08:37
Our demographic is. 00:08:39
Uh-huh. 00:08:41
Absolutely. OK. Umm. 00:08:44
Do you think that is known well enough in the text there? Or what if you were saying? 00:08:46
Note or extra emphasis just in our PA. 00:08:51
Standards or because the plan is later on, can that be? 00:08:56
Well assumed. 00:09:00
I can definitely put something in there qualify so in the first paragraph that says these numbers consider billion cities correct 00:09:05
inventory and are based off of NRGA standards for similar devices. 00:09:10
OK, I know so. 00:09:17
You see on on page 37 doping paragraph pretty much does what? 00:09:18
I was saying. 00:09:22
Where it says taking all of that and then using our unique demographics and numbers, this is what we recommend. So I think that. 00:09:24
I spoke before reading. 00:09:31
Umm. 00:09:35
So yeah, some of the numbers on page 47 need to be updated for you. 00:09:38
In the cost and loving you guys brought up in a previous meeting with just ensuring that you know you have a clear vision of. 00:09:42
What our actual costs are present? 00:09:49
Umm, to. 00:09:53
You know, meet the dock recommendation. 00:09:54
And so that's the last thing that I'll for sure behind here before next week is. 00:09:57
So on page 49 and 50 it lifts out current projects. 00:10:03
So being the 5 or 20.5. 00:10:08
15 year plan, 6 to 10 year plan, less than 20 year plan. So all this in those sessions what each of you amenities are that are to 00:10:11
be prioritized, recommended for for those times. 00:10:16
And then, umm, underneath we'll also include the cost based off of that make up for each of those. 00:10:22
Umm, and then on page 51 where it kind of has the cost analysis funding. 00:10:29
A also input in there. 00:10:36
Umm more information regarding the the parts impact fee revenue just so that. 00:10:38
It's easy to tell, OK, these are the projects that are prioritized for the next 20 years. This is what the cost is going to be and 00:10:44
this is where it's being paid from. 00:10:49
So that's pretty much it. So I'm sorry it's not a fully complete document. 00:10:57
Umm, happy to answer any questions that you have or if you have any concerns, happy to address those as well. 00:11:02
Thank you. Umm, any questions? 00:11:09
Just just one question, Community Center here is. 00:11:12
2030. 00:11:18
Correct. OK. 00:11:20
I appreciate seeing the the dog park. 00:11:24
Put in there. I'm excited about that. And that says end of 2025. 00:11:26
Is what's planned for that, yes. So that yeah, there's been a lot of. 00:11:30
Umm, public interest in that and I think that was something you guys mentioned in the last meeting as well as. 00:11:35
Putting a place to the dog park and there is plans to have a dog park in Tucker Row which should be built out soon. 00:11:41
Umm, and then also there the Gamut Park area. 00:11:47
And then I did notice fishing pond at Penny Springs. I thought that already was a fishing pond. My kids over there like every day 00:11:51
after school. 00:11:55
There, there's, there's nothing biting yet so far this winter, but he's there every day, yeah. 00:12:01
Yeah, yeah. No, it's, it's currently not a public, uh, fishing pond, but OK, OK. Uh, but that is, that is definitely what we're 00:12:06
going towards. So. 00:12:13
We can do that at Penny Springs. 00:12:22
Yeah, yeah. 00:12:33
So alright. 00:12:37
One other thing, I have a plan there's right now just fishing pond for petty spring. 00:12:39
Cushion, that's OK, Cool. 00:12:46
Yeah, well, I need the license. 00:12:49
Probably OK. 00:12:51
Umm, one other thing that will be adding in here as well is location for cemetery. Umm, that's something that has been. 00:12:55
Talked about and we'll make sure that that gets put in here as well. 00:13:03
OK umm. So the area where that is, uh. 00:13:08
Umm, potentially going to go and this is not finalized. 00:13:12
Let me see if I can pull up uh. 00:13:16
Let me pull up Google Maps. Hold on just a second. 00:13:19
One other question with the UMM. 00:13:34
It's a year's in our March year. Is that the start date for the project or the completion date? Completion date. 00:13:38
OK, so. 00:13:52
Currently existing Gammon Park. 00:13:54
Umm, there's potential to have a cemetery South of there, so in this area here. 00:13:56
Now. 00:14:11
The cemetery would then be part of a Parks Department or its own separate energy or one budget. 00:14:13
That is still TBD OK. 00:14:19
Yeah. 00:14:23
But it's a good question. 00:14:25
I appreciate the the more detailed cost breakdown. Is this being used as part of the basis in the impact fee study? 00:14:28
To make sure impact fees are accounting for all these projected costs. 00:14:37
Umm, so just as a. 00:14:42
Kind of the answer question and just a roundabout way. Umm. 00:14:45
So basically with the impacts, the analysis. 00:14:49
They take all of our current inventory. 00:14:52
And they base it off of. 00:14:55
The projected. 00:14:58
Umm, population over the next, you know, 10 years. 00:15:00
Umm, what? The service level that we currently have? 00:15:05
What is the cost to maintain that service level with the incoming population? So that's what the impact the analysis. 00:15:09
Cost is based off of UMM. 00:15:17
Umm, and then considered above and beyond that, then these are costs that we just encourage part of the tax base. 00:15:20
Sorry, say that again, I said. So would these be? 00:15:28
Do we? Do we proceed? Most of this would be covered by that new recreation fee of 90 impact. 00:15:30
Yeah. So and that's something I'll have a better idea of exactly where we land once we finish calculating those numbers, but I 00:15:38
just wanna get the unit cost. 00:15:41
Finalize first. 00:15:46
Umm, so that we can be as accurate as possible. 00:15:47
Umm. 00:15:50
But yes answer did I answer your question OK? 00:15:52
OK, 2 questions. 00:15:56
The wrap cap. 00:15:59
Wrap tax based on sales tax, Yeah. 00:16:01
The other one. 00:16:06
Is grant money. 00:16:07
Yes. So that's. 00:16:11
We have a pretty. 00:16:13
Clear idea. I think of the. 00:16:15
Umm, possible revenues. 00:16:18
Tax, sales tax revenues in the future, right? 00:16:22
The grant money seems a little. 00:16:26
Yes, Sir. 00:16:29
OK. 00:16:30
On the. 00:16:32
High side or low side? 00:16:34
On the high side, OK. 00:16:37
OK. 00:16:41
Umm, so just a couple of things with that to address that. We just applied for, uh, $500,000 grant. 00:16:42
Umm for the skate park. 00:16:50
Umm, that's a 5050 match. So the city. 00:16:53
You know be paying 500,000 and then we would. 00:16:56
Get that from you or. 00:16:59
Umm, and then there's a number of other grants that we've applied to. 00:17:01
Umm, so I mean this is. 00:17:05
Based off of the next five years, so we're averaging 100,000 a year. 00:17:08
Umm, but I, I appreciate that feedback and I think that that's something that. 00:17:14
We should consider what what would you say is more? 00:17:19
Well, ideal I guess. 00:17:21
I actually don't have a recommendation. 00:17:24
But I do have. 00:17:26
Umm 2 follow up questions so 100. 00:17:28
$100,000 a year. 00:17:31
An average of what? 00:17:34
Our potential grant revenues are. 00:17:36
Though it may vary from year to year. 00:17:40
The other question is. 00:17:43
What's our grant next week? 00:17:46
In the past. 00:17:48
Yeah, for Parks and Recreation. 00:17:50
Umm. 00:17:53
Yes, that is a good question. So currently we have a grant for 22,500 for a volleyball. 00:17:55
Court umm. 00:18:03
Umm, so we're doing that. We. 00:18:06
Umm. 00:18:09
I guess that's that's all that we have as of current. There's a number that we've applied for that we should be hearing back. 00:18:11
Umm, around May. 00:18:18
So I guess that'll be. 00:18:20
Umm, we'll have a better knowledge by then, so maybe what I'll do. 00:18:22
Umm, because I do think it's better to be on the safe side. Maybe I just cut that in half and just say we project 250,000 and if 00:18:27
we get the $500,000 grant, great. 00:18:32
We've exceeded that and we can keep rolling and we'll keep trying. 00:18:37
Umm, with the changes that have recently happened in the Parks Direct department. 00:18:40
We just gotta recommend yourself free up a lot of my time. And so that's why this year we've been applying for a lot more grants 00:18:44
because we have that bandwidth to do it. 00:18:49
Umm, whereas in the past? 00:18:53
Well, we have not. 00:18:55
Uh, do you want me to add a few other, uh, sure. OK, so just, uh, excuse me, is there anything you do missing? The door for the 00:18:57
worst track is the engineer. 00:19:02
Uh, there's, uh, in terms of, uh, kind of, uh, cost analysis, I mean, developed a different way, you can be very conservative. 00:19:07
In regards to Grab, umm, I know some cities. 00:19:14
Uh, uh, yeah, I used to work for, uh, I worked in, umm, maybe our cost analysis, we actually put $0.00 for that. 00:19:17
But what that does is. 00:19:24
It, uh, puts more burden on the on the tax budget. 00:19:26
Paying the tax in essence the the residents in essence that tax cut is going to carry that and if we do happen to. 00:19:30
Uh, receive grants for that. Then there could be like a. 00:19:38
Trying to call. 00:19:42
Balancing on that, in essence, what what that's doing is just asking for more money up front from this, from, uh, the residents in 00:19:44
order to possibly protect gap. 00:19:48
Uh, doing it this way and you know, I think, umm, even though it's. 00:19:53
Uh, I wasn't aggressive, but even though it's kind of leaning forward in terms of, umm, capturing graph. 00:19:57
If it helps, umm, uh, it helps, uh. 00:20:02
Us as staff and also Brian as a department saying OK, we're this is, you know, this is a plan that we're. 00:20:05
Uh, going forward, and this is how we're gonna prioritize. 00:20:11
Uh, prioritize the subgraph is the priority in order to ensure that we're able to get these types of projects. 00:20:14
Uh, going forward, uh, you know, and of course, uh. 00:20:19
Uh, we've gone for those projects using grass money earnings. We were able to say, OK, now you know. 00:20:23
Great. Uh, we're, we're maps if you may have a match, but we're applying for these grant, applying for these grants here. It's a 00:20:30
project. 00:20:33
And our business structure in essence is, uh, incorporating these types of grants. 00:20:36
Into it again. My, uh, my last city. 00:20:43
They, they have different business structure on financing, different stages, of course, but uh, in essence, umm. 00:20:46
If I want to do projects and I have potential grants. 00:20:51
Coming, they just said. 00:20:55
I have to have budget all of the money, 100% of the money for the project. 00:20:57
Uh, on the basis that I'm looking in that graph. 00:21:00
Which, uh, again when it comes to balancing your checkbook. 00:21:03
Prevent me from being able to posture myself, my, uh, my, my department to be able to execute. 00:21:07
Uh, more projects because of? 00:21:13
For those to say umm. 00:21:15
I can I can get quick for more money than I had even though when I did get the grant. 00:21:16
Come in then. 00:21:20
I have to wait for the next fiscal year. 00:21:23
To implement the project that I was planning on doing that fiscal year. 00:21:25
So and then the other aspect of talking about with. 00:21:29
In terms of, uh, going out for Grant, I know that the city's prioritizing umm. 00:21:32
As a whole. As a whole, not just. 00:21:36
Of the parks, the parks and rec and or two. 00:21:37
Uh, CP staff because it is a, you know, uh, kind of like it's a business structure and that the, uh, Planning Commission, the 00:21:41
State Council has reviewed and approved and said. 00:21:45
This is how we want to prioritize our funding. 00:21:50
So so yeah, I bought. 00:21:53
To put the some caus uh to caution, uh or actually take into consideration not asking for too much. 00:21:56
Uh, money from the residence? 00:22:03
Uh, in order to help pay for this project, uh, and then and the, uh. 00:22:05
I want to say address of the, umm, optimistic about, uh, hitting those grants very hard. 00:22:10
And he's done a great job on getting drunk so far. 00:22:15
I saw the phone. I just want to kind of clarify that. 00:22:19
Alright, does that answer your question? I appreciate that. 00:22:22
I like what you said, especially prefers aggressively searching. 00:22:26
Now the source of the grant will be. 00:22:33
Other government or corporate government organizational foundations. 00:22:37
Yes. Mm-hmm. 00:22:42
Problem. I'm happy to look into all and everything, yeah. Everything, yeah. 00:22:44
So. 00:22:51
And we recognize, you know what? 00:22:52
With RDA, we do have limited budget, right? And so in order to get these amenities, there's kind of that added pressure on staff 00:22:54
to. 00:22:57
Go out and get go out and get grants. So that's a huge priority of our smoking. For myself personally, I. 00:23:01
I'm OK leaving that number in there, OK, I I don't have an issue with it myself, OK. 00:23:12
Are there any other questions for Brian? 00:23:21
OK, Thank you, Brian. Umm, it is an agendaized public hearing, so we're gonna go ahead and open the public hearing. Are there any 00:23:25
comments or questions? 00:23:30
And members of the public about the draft plan. 00:23:35
Seeing none. 00:23:41
OK, sorry if I was only looking at you. 00:23:43
Summer's just around the corner, everything is great, OK? 00:23:47
So I'm gonna ask you to please refrain from shouting from the back of the hall. 00:23:52
OK, we'll go ahead and close the public hearing. 00:23:57
And is there any more discussion? 00:23:59
Needed OK, I believe that we do need to make a motion and take action. 00:24:02
Umm. 00:24:09
It would be simply. 00:24:10
Hang on. 00:24:13
Umm recommending approval to. 00:24:14
The City Council. So is anyone. 00:24:18
Wanna make that motion? 00:24:20
I'll make the motion that we approve the, UH, Parks and Recreation Master Plan. 00:24:24
One second. 00:24:29
OK, all in favor. 00:24:31
All right, all right. Any post? 00:24:32
All right. 00:24:35
Approval is recommended unanimously. Sorry, that motion is supposed to be your recommendation, correct? 00:24:36
Yeah, it's. 00:24:41
You moved to recommend the City Council approve it? Yeah, there we go. 00:24:43
Alright. 00:24:49
All right, passes unanimously. 00:24:50
Recommended to pass anonymous unanimously. 00:24:53
Alrighty. 00:24:57
Thanks. Uh, that was our only business item on the agenda this evening. So, uh, staff and Commission reports there. Anyone on the 00:24:59
Commission with the report to share with the body? 00:25:04
And the staff, is there any report? 00:25:10
Can you share it tonight? 00:25:14
Hi, my name is Anthony Fletcher and I wanted to just inform, you know, the Commission and public about. 00:25:18
The upcoming Vineyard town hall meeting. 00:25:24
Umm, which is going to be held on the 22nd April. 00:25:27
At umm. 00:25:31
Add water at Geneva clubhouse. 00:25:35
This is going to happen at 6:00 PM. 00:25:38
And we encourage our residents that live close by to either walk or ride because we have very limited parking over there. 00:25:41
Umm, to allow for parking for people driving only further away. 00:25:49
Umm, we chose that location to. 00:25:54
Uh, allow people that live in that area. 00:25:57
Which will be affected by the. 00:26:00
Uh, project that. We'll be talking about the project. 00:26:03
For the town hall is going to be the active transportation. 00:26:06
Plan update, which focuses on the southeastern corridor of the city. 00:26:10
So we chose that location so that people can have access to. 00:26:14
You know, umm. 00:26:19
That space and be able to feel like. 00:26:21
We want them to be more involved in the process. 00:26:25
So, but everyone else is excited to be in that, you know, town hall. 00:26:28
You can ask questions and also. 00:26:32
Provide some inputs to the consultants that are working on that. 00:26:35
There would also be an update of the Wayfinding Master plan that is also ongoing. 00:26:38
Umm, during that same town hall. 00:26:45
OK. Thank you. Mm-hmm. 00:26:48
Thank you. 00:26:50
OK. And also note, it is likely that the Planning Commission meeting of April 2nd will be canceled. 00:26:52
And so I hope everyone comes to the April 16th. 00:27:01
Maybe OK. 00:27:05
Uh, unless anyone has anything else. 00:27:07
You get to adjust. 00:27:09
All right, we're adjourned. 00:27:11
Thank you everyone. 00:27:13
Thank you. 00:27:14