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All right, this is to call into session, uh, the development review committee meeting for July client, excuse me, July 11, 2024 at 00:00:07
9:15 is now 9:19 AM on July 11th, 2024. So public notice is hereby given that the Veneer's development Review committee will hold 00:00:14
the regular rescheduled development review meeting. Umm, it's, and this is a special sessions of these calls, uh, in recognition 00:00:21
to, uh, having, uh. 00:00:27
Missed, umm, or not having the opportunity to hold the two previous development review committees, uh, due to, uh, holidays on 00:00:35
that. So moving forward on the agenda, uh, I'm sorry, we had a big call local. 00:00:42
Let's go ahead and take a roll call on this one. 00:00:53
So, umm, we'll think we'll turn off the roll call, uh, for, with, uh, Brian Waldron. Sarah, would you like to, uh, introduce 00:00:56
yourself? 00:01:00
Absolutely. My name is Brian the parchment director, uh, Eric Ellis, city manager, Nathan Glendora for the works director, city 00:01:07
engineer got shanty. I'm going in for Morgan Graham, director Chris Johnson, building officials and Bryce Brady. I'm filling in 00:01:12
for Tay Goodmans and I'm not Planning Commission. All right. Well, uh, we welcome everyone here to, uh, uh, to make it and, uh, we 00:01:18
appreciate your time. 00:01:24
So going on to number, uh, on our agenda today. 00:01:31
So we do not have any work session scheduled. 00:01:37
And we do not have umm, staff permission committee reports that. Let's just get that to the very end. All right, there we go. Uh, 00:01:41
if we do not have any consent items and we do have one business item, our business item 5.1 live away sweep GRMU hotel. Uh, so who 00:01:49
will be presenting this? Uh, I take it that is gonna be Mr. uh, Anthony. 00:01:58
The longer cord over there, Anthony. 00:02:27
Hi, good morning. So my name is Anthony and I've been reviewing this site plan since. 00:02:44
Umm, Since they showed interest in making this development happen and I would like to go through a few things, I should umm give 00:02:53
you comments with the applicants. We have the applicant here, we have UMM. 00:03:01
Neck and two other departments. I don't know the rest of the names, but umm, they will be here for umm. You know any questions 00:03:09
that you have or other comments that are probably not in the comments that I shared with them, you're welcome to just let them 00:03:17
know all concerns. So just to give a summary this project. 00:03:25
We're just going to. 00:03:34
So this project is gonna be in the is gonna propose to be in the DRM U and. 00:03:38
Where it's being located is not an authorized permitted use for a hotel or extended stay kind of use in there. So there was a need 00:03:45
for them to apply for a conditional use permit, which was also reviewed concurrently with the site plan because the requirements 00:03:53
were almost the same. So we just do that to make it easier for the applicant as well. 00:04:00
Umm upon that review, umm there will be I, you know, I re recommend, I will be recommending to the Planning Commission to umm 00:04:08
approve that use given that umm they would not you know. 00:04:16
Umm, install any, you know, facility that may affect other surrounding neighbors and also, umm, the surrounding properties and 00:04:26
also ahead to the requirements that we've given when it comes to landscaping and umm. 00:04:34
For, you know, being willing to amend the landscaping plan to match with what UDOT has in the future along the DRMU. So we want to 00:04:43
make sure that we have a, you know, landscaping plan that really will be consistent with what you will be doing along the GRVI 00:04:51
mean the Geneva Rd. 00:04:59
So, uh, just quick highlights when it comes to apart from the use that was not already permitted. 00:05:08
Umm, everything else, lot size, you know, building square footage, coverage, height. They were all in compliance. Uh, there were a 00:05:17
few comments though that I shared with them. 00:05:22
I don't wanna go through all the comments. I would rather umm, allow you to uh, ask questions if you, you have any or if also 00:05:30
allow the applicants ask how many problems do you have, umm. 00:05:37
Six major quick comments that each has about I can give it if you would like. No, go ahead. Can you read the six major columns? 00:05:48
Anything I can still change go ahead with that OK, so umm, with the scope of work, I recommend that that they update umm, the 00:05:56
scope to reflect all the changes that we have uh recommended in regards to the number of parking stalls and all that we. 00:06:05
They are meeting their requirements, the minimum requirements. Uh, they actually had one over the requirements and we lost that 00:06:16
extra spot because we made them change the location of the dumpster from where it was to another spot. I can show you in the map 00:06:21
right here. 00:06:27
In the plan. 00:06:36
So as you can see, the dumpster has been moved to this side before it was proposed to be on this side of the site. 00:06:59
And they gave us umm on the park parking count. It gave us an extra parking over there, you know, minimum requirement. But since 00:07:11
they did the Monroe, it took down. 00:07:17
Uh, that extra parking that we had to the, you know, minimum required. So they, they still need the parking, uh, requirements, 00:07:23
umm, because there was an extra space here, we recommended that they probably just make it a. 00:07:31
OK. 00:07:41
And make this side umm, you know, so they made that an ADA stall and it was not, you know, big enough to have another part 00:07:45
installed. So they just, we recommend them extending this and which they did in one of the plans I'll be showing umm to have, you 00:07:52
know, motorcycle parking. So that's where stuff like that we there's a motorcycle parking and ADA or just motorcycle parking. Yes, 00:07:59
regular motorcycle parking. No, I'm saying that. 00:08:06
All right. 00:08:15
All right. The only thing I would have real fast on that and that's for the engineers is to make sure that that ADA, uh, you know, 00:08:18
being placed there, we saw the ADA requirements to the facility because it looks like there's a right there. 00:08:24
So nothing bad would have a more handicapped thoughts, NDA thoughts, but don't want to an ADA spots that doesn't really need the 00:08:30
requirements, especially if it's not needed. Yeah, what we probably have to do here is we need to make sure because in the plan it 00:08:37
wasn't indicated. So as part of the comments that I was going to bring up today was to make sure they have any access, umm, you 00:08:43
know, at least, uh, a ramp cut here. 00:08:50
To allow them to get onto the sidewalk. 00:08:57
So that is, umm, one of the things that needs to be, umm, taken note of. So this is the landscaping plan. I'm just gonna go 00:09:00
through the, the list. So that's it with the, uh, scope of work with the five plans, uh, we wanted to know if they had any, umm. 00:09:09
Mechanical equipment that would be put out there somewhere would like to know all these things being shown on the plan well, just 00:09:19
so that we can advise on it being screened well. So according to the code every, you know, large mechanical equipment that may be 00:09:27
on the side should be adequately screened. So we have that noted as well. 00:09:35
Umm, as a comment. 00:09:46
Umm. 00:09:51
Yes, another thing that I brought up here. 00:09:58
So on the site plan they indicated, uh, crosswalks. 00:10:09
So our crosswalk was indicated here. 00:10:28
In my comments are saying that umm, it kind of cuts through one of the parking, uh, stalls, so that should be reconsidered. I'll 00:10:31
leave that to them to, umm, consider that because if, if we have that bring in striped through Spartan spot, umm, that would 00:10:39
literally mean that we're they're we're creating a blind spot for. 00:10:47
You know, pedestrians that may be walking through here, maybe in the blind spot of people that. 00:10:56
We're not back into the parking spot but have to probably back out of the spot, so if the comments were considering, I don't know 00:11:01
if they would rather want to do. 00:11:08
Cross and another cross here or something else, but having it directly in there could be an issue. 00:11:16
So that's kind of the major one. Parking was OK. Well, the photometric plan, one of the comments that I had was, which I'm gonna 00:11:28
go on to that one. 00:11:33
Umm, I have no issue with the plan. You know, the brightness of the light, everything looks good, at least on the review. The only 00:11:45
issue that I I couldn't tell from the specifications that they shared on the bulbs and the the the fixtures that were used in was 00:11:53
the kind of light, the light color and all that and our code recommends. 00:12:00
You know, blue, white. 00:12:08
It says that blue, white colors of fluorescent uh style lights are not umm. 00:12:10
Are not accepted in the city. So I just wanted to point that out. I couldn't tell from the system that they were one of those, but 00:12:17
just to remind him that those kind of lights are not umm, permitted in the city. And I also wanted to invite, I mean remind them 00:12:23
that. 00:12:29
The light fixes need to be kept like down lids because when I looked at the specifications, I mean I used the Internet to find out 00:12:35
based on the numbers given, some of them had umm adjustments where you know they could adjust upright. And umm, just wanted to 00:12:42
point out that even though some of these lights that have adjustments for it to not be down downlet, you'd always have to make 00:12:50
sure it's adjusted to be down in the upright. 00:12:57
So that's one of the major comments that I had for the for the metric plan. 00:13:05
Umm, landscaping. 00:13:11
And please feel free to jump in if you have any questions. 00:13:14
So on the landscaping. So if you want us to jump in real fast. So in regards to crosswalk, I would agree with that crosswalk. 00:13:23
Doing the crosswalk at that angle is not only going to require people to occupy 2 objects to occupy the same space at the same 00:13:29
time being a truck and a pedestrian. 00:13:36
But also it's with definitely great either blind spots or just say I would put you on a hazard. 00:13:43
Yeah, regardless, umm of uh, uh, the BA of people backing out right into the cross off. So having uh, asking umm to that chance 00:13:52
to, to cross horizontally then verbally would be the safest route. Uh, and permissions to go to the path of least resistance time 00:13:58
angle this idea. 00:14:05
Umm, now in their course, I think that identifying the crosswalk internally, I think we want to make sure that's fixed to our 00:14:14
standards of, uh, being different type of material, so forth. 00:14:19
What about umm and I know Eric hasn't had chemical just like parking and I'm talking yeah, I noticed on the I don't know if this 00:14:24
is directed Northwest ES, but. 00:14:31
Pitney said. According to this map, you have the, the parking that bust into each other with a, with a median down the center. Uh, 00:14:38
oftentimes at hotels here in Utah County, we've got plenty of construction and plenty of ATV users that, that would have trailers 00:14:46
if you go to hotels that don't have options for. 00:14:54
Connected parking stalls. You'll have a truck and trailer that'll knock out. 00:15:03
12 spots because they'll have to park straight down a line of parking stalls. So if you were to connect, look for a few options to 00:15:09
connect some of these spots or or more of those spots. Could you please point out on there so it's easier for us? 00:15:17
So the line good. Other side is McDonald's, yeah. 00:15:27
Take back my comment, but it might be a. It'll be something that that. 00:15:34
You'll probably encounter there on that side because there's no it doesn't appear that there are any parking stalls that provide 00:15:39
the ability to pull straight through with the truck and trailer. And so it quickly diminishes a lot of spots when somebody pulls 00:15:45
in and they have no other option than to just. 00:15:51
Parallel park through a bunch of spots. 00:15:59
Anyway, I retract my comments. There is no option. 00:16:02
I mean, based on the, uh, requirements for landscaping, it's. 00:16:07
You know, and if they have to break that up, they could probably break it up and have a few spots, but the requirements they just 00:16:12
bare minimum had the bare minimum. Well, that is uh, the 88 stock that's up there and maybe the next deadline. 00:16:20
And then they then they do then he could possibly do what the error suggested. Yeah, I mean, I don't want to sign this for anyone. 00:16:30
Bicycle parking down and then because let more landscape into the north and then. 00:16:38
You know ±1% I think we can make that work. I think that would be more convenient for everyone because nothing is worse than not 00:16:48
having enough parking over because you have someone besides you or someone who decides to take up 10 stops with your family. 00:16:55
That happened that that, and that happens at the UK parking, uh, frontline station sometimes too. 00:17:03
And I know I and I know what I was talking about. 00:17:10
Yeah, because when I would give my moose an alternative, was it my own teller trying to make a buck? I was, I was a good hotel 00:17:13
take up course off. 00:17:17
How many? How many hotel rooms? Are there 2 parking spots? Like what's the ratio there? 00:17:22
How many rooms are there? Hotel rooms to parking spots are there. 00:17:28
So there are I don't have to memorize. 00:17:34
Sit there on the site plan where your mouth is trying to zoom in. 00:17:38
It's good now. Yeah, right here. 00:17:43
It is. 00:17:48
Number Room 196. 00:17:53
OK, alright. You know, the only concern I have is with this being an extended stay. Uh, that umm. 00:18:01
Parking might be an issue unless they don't plan on paying you at 100% capacity. Uh, I tried to look up some of these and I, I 00:18:10
guess none of these have opened yet. You guys are opening up one in South Jordan that opens soon Umm. 00:18:16
But do you have other projects that are similar to this that you guys have done where you could talk about parking a little bit? 00:18:25
Yeah, My name is Nick Bladen with question 7, talked to a couple of guys. Yeah, we've actually this is our, we created our own 00:18:32
brand because we're trying to build building with Marriott and the big guys. So we created our own brand. We've done other 00:18:38
expansion hotels and we usually. 00:18:44
Stay around the 80% occupancy. So we're not, that's not that common. We're actually 100% occupied. Umm, but to take your parking 00:18:51
suggestion account, I think there's some flexibility, umm. 00:18:57
Oh, here we go. 00:19:05
Are you in this area here? 00:19:12
Where we can, you know, kind of play with this area and have that fall through there. 00:19:14
And your crosswalks comment and then we can straighten it out or just eliminate it at all. We're just trying to make some con 00:19:20
connectivity. I want the eliminated, but I was figuring it out. Yeah, especially because there will be a sidewalk to the South of 00:19:26
your property. Yeah. 00:19:31
Yep, OK. 00:19:38
He's good real quick that, uh. 00:19:40
What, what material would you like to see? We have it. We have a good concrete stand, concrete sand, concrete samples, stamps over 00:19:47
in front of like, uh, or over by like the movie theater and top golf and vineyards. There's some examples of it over there. Umm, 00:19:54
real quick, do you guys, I know that X development is kind of doing the road infrastructure there. Umm, is there a cross parking 00:20:01
kind of agreement between all the properties there isn't there actually I'm supposed to contain everything on our OK because. 00:20:08
The Aqua Plex store, there could be potential for that, but if there's not that agreement, no PSA is very this is your stay within 00:20:16
your boundary. So perfect. 00:20:21
Do we have any other questions please? 00:20:34
I guess real quick, uh, this doesn't need to be answered here, but in the Planning Commission, it's gonna come up is, uh, that, 00:20:37
uh, you allow that, umm, and then for your open space there, if there's any kind of space for pets, you can go. You don't need to 00:20:42
answer that here, but it's gonna, it's probably gonna come up in the Planning Commission. 00:20:48
That's fantastic. Is there, is there a pet friendly? Is there like a pet relief area? Yeah, a pet relief area. You have to go. 00:20:57
Uh, so my comment about the landscaping, so I know what I'm trying to pick up with what, uh, you know, does as long as I don't 00:21:10
just wanna make sure that, uh. 00:21:13
You know we have a tree manual. I just wanna make sure they're using the free manual. 00:21:16
We updated appliance to reflect all of that and. 00:21:26
Just going to go back to the landscaping. 00:21:32
So, uh, COVID requires that there are a lot more trees put on the side, which is does any along the road. 00:21:36
So I had to take it on the, uh, comments. We need one repair every 20 feet. So they need to provide a number of trees and in 00:21:44
between those, uh, we need 10 shops as well. I mean, we need 1010 shops for every 20, so. 00:21:52
Yeah, I mean, it's not necessarily like every 20 feet and it has to be a tree. They can decide, you know, that where those trees 00:22:01
are placed along that entire stretch, if that makes any sense. The same thing with the shrubs. As long as they get the total 00:22:06
number of shrubs along Geneva Rd. that's that's what counts. Actually, it's OK. I got, umm, McDonald's landscape plan last night. 00:22:12
We're just gonna match whatever is. Oh, perfect. 00:22:18
UMM. I also made a comment to umm remind them to update the irrigation plan. 00:22:32
To umm to be consistent with the new update that will be happening on the landscaping plan. Umm, as I did mention earlier, we're 00:22:40
coordinating with umm U dot, so you would have to, there will be a comment, I mean a condition of approval recommended to the 00:22:46
Planning Commission, umm. 00:22:53
To allow you guys be, you know, be able to accommodate any other changes along that side when it comes to updating the landscape 00:23:03
so. 00:23:07
It will not hold you up from what you have to do. You still do whatever, uh, based on the updates and comments that we have right 00:23:12
now. But if there should be any change, it should be amendable to those changes that may come up based on the plans from you guys. 00:23:17
So it doesn't look like wouldn't tell you, you know. 00:23:23
Thank you. 00:23:29
Umm, finance, I, I realize there's some signs indicated on there, uh, but there's gonna be a separate and application for finance 00:23:34
where we review the sign sizes and make sure you need all the requirements and. 00:23:41
All right, I'm not. Have you, have they proposed like on the elevations that they've shown potential financing? Have you looked in 00:23:49
to see if that what they are proposing would require a side standard waiver? Umm, in a sense now they, you know, you can't tell if 00:23:56
they're gonna have some lights in there or not. So I can't it's, it's mostly the sizing river, but it looks like it's probably OK. 00:24:03
Yeah. Si, signing a number of signs is usually what triggers that. Mm-hmm. 00:24:11
What standard waiver, But it looks like they'd probably be clear from that, yeah. 00:24:18
Yeah, when I checked that, it was pretty much like the only thing they would need is to go through that, you know, fine permit 00:24:23
the. 00:24:27
And yeah, when when we review that, we can make sure that the signage facing as water isn't going to cause any kind of nuisances 00:24:33
or anything like that. 00:24:37
Yeah. Was there anything else happening? 00:24:43
Umm, no, that's it for now. Just wanted to make a note that the, I mean, so just to confirm what the, what, what, uh, what things 00:24:45
suggest and what they're asking to be approved as a site plan only, correct. The site plan and condition use permit will be going 00:24:53
through. So I just want to make sure it's clear that the actual designs, the technical designs and so forth have not been reviewed 00:25:00
and, uh, those backups that go through that will go through a different process. So, uh, for anything about utility. 00:25:07
And connections and details and so forth have not been reviewed and not had and no comments have been made on that one. So I just 00:25:15
wanna make sure that is fully where that's if this is not, this is not a review of the technical information, just to review the 00:25:20
site plan and conditional use only. 00:25:24
Well noted. I will be sending umm, I will, I will be refining all these comments and sending an updated comments to them. So I 00:25:32
remind them that after the Planning Commission approval, we send out a letter that kind of outlines the next processes of what 00:25:39
else needs to be reviewed and approved before they can get building permit. I do know that that I believe that umm. 00:25:45
Uh, any, uh, e-mail regarding to a uh, welfare letter was sent, uh, and I have and I will be responding last. 00:25:53
I will serve the letter that was part without going for this one. Yeah, OK, so. 00:26:02
So, uh, so, So what my last comment about the technical review has not been made by the city. So the technical review has not been 00:26:10
made by state. There's no application per second overview has been done for that. Uh, so as far as you're on record now, just let 00:26:17
you know that, uh, if you would need to get your utility, uh, studies done, it's based on what, based on what we're seeing now. 00:26:23
OK, so. 00:26:29
Can I call you later? OK. 00:26:36
All right, now it's our God. 00:26:39
And, umm, the applicant asked a question about, you know, having an outright, uh. 00:26:42
I'm trying to remember the the wording you used to outright, uh, permit. 00:26:49
Just trying to find that e-mail, but they wanted to know if they have after this that has been approved in the Planning 00:26:54
Commission. They have an undeniable right to build. And I just wanted to remind you that it's not undeniable. Indefinitely. You 00:27:01
will be allowed to, you know, follow through the process to get a building permit and eventually build. But there's an expiration 00:27:07
to the approval. Just so you know, it's not. 00:27:14
A lifetime kind of approval. I just wanted to mention that in the end. 00:27:21
Umm, have a sense now that is all we have to do. You would have to, your next major process would be to record the plaque, which 00:27:26
has been a long going discussion with the applicant as well to be able to proceed with the return that application. OK. And then 00:27:33
with that, we'll, uh, we'll review that actual to look for an easement and so forth. There's been some and then, uh, let me know 00:27:40
that now that, uh, there's been some, uh. 00:27:47
Historical, uh, utilities in the area and Bangor in that the uh, city has been, uh, needing easements for. 00:27:55
As also it's just a, it's not a the way I asked is that you just want to make sure that those things are being cleaned up. So I 00:28:03
appreciate it Before we go for satellites in the box, just send that over. 00:28:11
OK. And then we we have that one approved during the last DRC meeting, the plat, yes, OK. So we're just waiting for them to 00:28:19
approve to record it right now. There was a condition though some tax issues with the title, that's the only thing. 00:28:28
Yeah, we're good. Thanks. 00:28:38
Are is it still the goal to open up by early 2025, be completed with construction and everything? Umm, 11 yeah. So we're planning 00:28:46
on starting as soon as possible. It's usually 12 to 13 months build, umm, working with X development and their agreement with 00:28:52
McDonald's. Umm, we've been kind of talking back and forth on that access right in front of us, you know, to get to accounts. So I 00:28:58
wish them for a October and November. 00:29:05
25 open up. 00:29:11
OK, great. And then McDonald's open up right as soon as we are. So, yeah. 00:29:13
Well, do we have any more questions or comments please? 00:29:23
Fine. Do you have any questions? 00:29:28
Uh, Eric, Sir, uh, Kash, I do just want to mention that, uh, Brandon with Aaron Firesmot here and we should make sure that we 00:29:30
reach out to him to make sure that any kind of fire safety and access is, is acknowledged. You know, that's good point. And, uh, 00:29:37
we'll make sure that that's part of the technical review, uh, approval and so forth. So. 00:29:44
It comes to the side plans that there has been kind of minor modifications due to fire and safety access. That's that's typically 00:29:51
just an administrative, administrative review acceptance on that one. 00:29:57
Alright. I do have a comment on the design, not really the site plan or the conditional use, just the EPS from the office on the 00:30:05
main floor going through the registration area, it's hard to tell if there's access on the registration any to the lobby. We don't 00:30:11
want the egress office to the breakdown. 00:30:17
It's on page 11 I think. 00:30:28
Page 11. 00:30:32
I. 00:30:59
Talking right, Yeah, Yeah. 00:31:07
Productivity from the restitution area to the lucky area. 00:31:12
There. 00:31:17
There's a door here. 00:31:29
Around back for staff laundry break room. So they need to go through the office registration break room and out hallway. If, if, 00:31:32
if you're requiring a door straight to the office, you can meet whatever requirements you can do. So yeah, we we can look at that. 00:31:40
All right, with that being said, umm. 00:31:58
OK, ah. 00:32:01
So there was a comment I guess. Is there anything else that I would like to talk about or the time before we go to building? 00:32:04
Whatever so. 00:32:16
Thanks. Thanks, Mr. 00:32:18
Your assistant board chair, That's right, that's right. There we go so. 00:32:22
All right, with that being said, uh, is it no one else has any comments, uh, to our assistant, uh, fortune. 00:32:30
Thank you. Thank you. 00:32:40
I'll make you one. 00:32:50
Now, uh. 00:32:54