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Consent Items    1.Approval of the February24 Development Review Committee Draft Minutes.    Motion: SENIOR PLANNER CACHE HANCEY MOTIONED TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AT11 AM. CITY MANAGER ERIC ELLIS SECONDED. ALL IN FAVOR VOTED YES: GHANDOUR, ELLIS, HANCEY, JOHNSON, VAWDREY, VALLEY, AND JOHNSON. THE VOTE CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.  
Work Session    1.
Utah City BlocksC andB Site Plan
Senior Planner Hancey introduced Rachel Stevens, a planner with Vineyard, and provided background on the progress of this item. Planner Stevens discussed her comments for more information to see if it meets requirements. She noted the need to adjust amenities, transparency, and landscaping.   Senior Planner Hancey asked if she has sent those comments in. He prompted Bronson Tatton’s response.
Mr. Tatton, with Flagborough, clarified the block. He acknowledged the information he had that he could provide. He asked about how the measurements for transparency were made.   Planner Stevens noted the software, Blue Beam, that she utilized to make measurements.
Mr. Tatton continued to discuss the comments made by Planner Stevens. He recognized that they are still pretty early so that they can make the adjustments early.   Senior Planner Hancey clarified the timing of submittals.
Chair Ghandour discussed the adjustment and how they may impact water needs. He noted concerns about landscaping.   Mr. Tatton discussed how he could work with the comments moving forward.   Discussion ensued about the timeline for corrections and the process for moving forward ensued.
Senior Planner Hancey discussed the plans and how they would be reviewed at planning commission.
BJ Laterveer with Utah City asked if it would make sense to put together a landscape palette to make the approval process smoother and clearer.   Senior Planner Hancey responded in saying he is in favor.   Chair Ghandour appreciated this notion and the process for that.   Mr. Tatton noted that they have a pre-established planting palette of wat has already been approved.
Planner Fletcher referenced the Vineyard recommended landscaping
Mr. Laterveer asked Planner Stevens about the transparency on the street facing portions, in regards to the paseo inclusion.       Planner Stevens noted she wants to look at the code and get back to him.   Senior Planner Hancey noted that they could provide a comparison of their transparency calculations as a reference. Senior Planner Hancey added his comments on transparency on the other blocks. He did not include any non-street facing sections in the calculations.   Mr. Tatton and Mr. Laterveer said that they could add it as a submittal.
Brandon Valley, the deputy Fire Marshall,  asked about the scope for the utility plan for the fire hydrants. He requested clarification and more information   Mr. Tatton noted that his presentation highlights the hydrants.
Mr. Tatton pointed out the Right of Way plans as there is a change. He noted this.   Staff Engineer Patrick James commented that he has been reviewing those and that it needs to be included in a land disturbance permit.   Mr. Tatton discussed the process made with other plats and the land disturbance permit.   Chair Ghandour noted that they would prefer separating the right of ways from the blocks.   Mr. Tatton agreed.
Chair Ghandour moved to the next block.   Senior Planner Hancey noted comments. He wanted a better scope of work for clarification. This will help with parking and bike storage. He acknowledged he will review other requirements and asked about transparency.
A team member of Mr. Tatton’s said he would submit an exhibit to show the intention.   Senior Planner Hancey discussed how he measured them.   Senior Planner Hancey noted a want for more details. He discussed landscaping, parking, and lighting.   Mr. Tatton discussed their process with the photometric plan and that they could add that.   Mr. Tatton asked about the purpose behind needing this information.
Building Official Cris Johnson noted that’s it occurs before building and that it is a planning thing.   Senior Planner Hancey noted regulations for the lighting to note why they request that information. He asked to be informed of the lighting details.   Mr. Tatton discussed the current lighting situation but that moving forward they will meet the city’s requirements.
Senior Planner Hancey brought up the bridge.   Chair Ghandour asked about the lights.    Mr. Tatton noted they are like a shoe box light   Chair Ghandour asked Senior Planner Hancey if they would need a variance.   Senior Planner Hancey noted the height requirements and that the code is not specific about temporary lighting.
Mr. Tatton noted that they will submit what they have.   Senior Planner Hancey initiated conversation about the pedestrian bridge and the arcade entrance.
Mr. Tatton requested a visual aid. He provided locational context. He provided clarification on the arcade and bridge with the images. Mr. Tatton discussed the pedestrian right of way and the additional occupancy space above that. He noted his process with navigating options. He discussed these options. The length isft.
Senior Planner Hancey asked about where this is addressed.    Mr. Tatton noted the need for an easement. He discussed other bridges for examples.
Chair Ghandour discussed access points and conflicts.   Mr. Tatton sought clarification.
Mr. Tatton referred to their engineer who is online.
Senior Planner Hancey asked if he knew if he found anything about the bridge in the code.   Mr. Tatton discussed his knowledge of the code.   Senior Planner Hancey noted this might pose a potential issue and how it may impact timing.    No further comments were made.    2.
Utah City Block( Bella's Market) - Site Plan
Planner Anthony Fletcher presented the comments. He noted he felt the application was not complete. Planner Fletcher noted the missing parts: title report and taxation, landscaping, the other building inclusions, and parking.
Senior Planner Hancey asked about what else will be there so we may consider parking requirements.   City Manager Eric Ellis noted excluding development that is not going to be included.   Planner Fletcher said if it will be separate it needs to be subdivided.
Mr. Tatton noted they are starting the process of subdividing that. He discussed the intent and the plan. Mr. Tatton referenced the civil sheet to represent where they are at and what is being built now.
Planner Fletcher requested a narrative and more detail. He discussed the need for more information on parking, bike racks, ADA stalls, and the drive-thru. Planner Fletcher discussed the requirements for the drive-thru. He referenced the code to guide requirements.   Mr. Tatton said that they could look into a pick-up rather than a drive-thru.
Planner Fletcher noted that it could be more accepted as the drive-thru is not accepted under the current code. He also recognized the missing photometric plan as well as irrigation and landscaping.   Mr. Tatton discussed the method of irrigation and options for landscaping.
Senior Planner Hancey mentioned that doing a zoning text amendment to allow for a pharmacy drive-thru.
Planner Fletcher mentioned a comment about transparency on the North side as it does not currently meet our requirements. He noted that with other things included, he needs a narrative to guide what meets which requirements. Planner Fletcher also discussed areas to clarify in their documents and plans.
Chair Ghandour asked if there are any other comments.
Mr. Laterveer clarified that the entire building will be one continuous build so the comments could be addressed easily.   Mr. Tatton discussed the process for building.   Planner Fletcher asked about having the grocery store operating during construction.
Building Official Johnson provided comments on separation.
Senior Planner Hancey noted the timeline for the planning commission. He recommended bringing this as a work session first.   Mr. Tatton and Senior Planner Hancey discussed the timeline for meetings.
Chair Ghandour mentioned a suggestion for the drive-thru to hold a meeting for efficiency and purpose. He also referred to a technical review for engineering’s comments.   Chair Ghandour closed the work session.    
Staff, Commission, and Committee Reports
Chair Ghandour discussed the trial underneath the0 North bridge is actively being constructed.   There were no further comments.    
Adjournment The meeting was adjourned at:07am. MINUTES CERRTIFIED CORRECT ON: January,25 CERTIFIED BY:   Madison Reed, Planning Technician
We are starting our Development Review committee in August 1st, 2024. The time right is 9:10 AM. 00:00:00
So let's start off with uh. 00:00:11
Roll call. Umm. 00:00:13
So currently on the. 00:00:15
On the board, we currently have those start from, uh, Chris. 00:00:17
Johnson first. 00:00:21
Uh, Chris Johnson, building official. 00:00:24
Brandon Valley Fire Prevention. 00:00:29
Cash fancy selling from Morgan and Community Development and their other works directors things here. 00:00:32
Eric Ellis, city manager. 00:00:37
And then we have uh, Mr. uh. 00:00:40
Preston Johnson selling in for our Parks and Rec director record. 00:00:43
I'm back. 00:00:48
On there and then of course we have our and then we have our uh. 00:00:49
Uh, others on the thing. So this is our consent item. Uh, so, uh. 00:00:54
The first consent item. UH 2.1 approval of the February 1, 2024 Development Review Committee draft minutes. 00:00:58
Uh, so is there any? 00:01:05
Anything that that needs to be brought up to everyone's attachment. 00:01:08
I thought they looked good and I can motion to approve them. All right, that we got first, uh, in regards to approval on the 00:01:13
minutes. Do you have a second? 00:01:16
2nd. 00:01:21
OK, so the minutes have been approved and all in favor? All in favor, aye. All right. 00:01:22
Alright, you're very welcome. 00:01:28
So the methods have been approved. Uh, so that was all the consent items, uh, on there. So we have UH-2 work sessions, uh. 00:01:30
Uh 3.1 and 3.2 work session 3.1. 00:01:36
Detox 30 block. 00:01:40
18C. 00:01:43
13B and umm. 00:01:44
We would like to have a brief discussion in regards to 13 C uh. 00:01:46
Uh, background. I can, I can look it over. Yeah. Alright, so cash back. We do have Rachel Stevens online, one of our planners, she 00:01:51
did the review on 13 C. 00:01:54
Umm, and she had some great problems. We didn't tell the Block was quite ready, umm for a complete review by the DRC committee. 00:01:59
Umm, Rachel, do you have? 00:02:07
Uh, a minute that you wanna just kind of explain what, what documents that, that you're still looking for on that application. 00:02:10
Umm yes, so. 00:02:16
We needed to see others go over to movement upstream, please. 00:02:19
We needed to see a breakdown of the total number of views and bedrooms to verify a parking requirement. 00:02:24
And we needed to see. 00:02:31
And then? 00:02:35
Same thing for breakfast and. 00:02:37
The Courtyard. 00:02:40
Inside the building it was .08 acres. 00:02:43
And then the code it says it needs to be at least .1 acres to count as an amenity. 00:02:46
There may still be enough money, but I need to see the distances to communities in the Lake Common. 00:02:52
And and then there's some issues with transparency requirements. 00:03:00
So on the North and South elevations and there's just been 30% transparency with all the class. 00:03:05
Windows and doors and I didn't see at least 35%. 00:03:14
And then the landscaping plan I wanted to see. 00:03:19
More than just a 50%. 00:03:23
Mm-hmm. 00:03:26
Designed for trying to look forward to. 00:03:27
And and you've sent those promises, right? 00:03:31
Yeah, OK. 00:03:34
Bronson, did you have any questions about any of those items? 00:03:36
Do you wanna just? 00:03:40
You you can look at the mic. 00:03:43
It was all around 13 I believe. 13 BCE, 13 C, the one without the bridge, 13 OK. 00:03:45
Umm. 00:03:53
OK, so we, we have, we have all that information. I'll just make sure I get it to you. We've got the bedroom breakdown. Umm, I 00:03:55
think we've got. 00:03:58
O on OPJ's on. 00:04:03
Doesn't look like Nelson. 00:04:07
Is on. 00:04:08
They're Nelson Partners is our architect on 13. 00:04:10
Uh, sorry, 13 C. 00:04:14
Umm, and then. 00:04:16
By currently we've got those planned in. We just need to share that information with you and and Rachel, you're just going to be 00:04:18
like the total count right of bike rack. 00:04:22
She might have anything going OK, we we can get that count as well. Umm, and then. 00:04:32
The courtyard size and dimension. 00:04:37
We can take a look at that. 00:04:40
I'm guessing at this point. 00:04:42
It would be really hard to like make that figure, but. 00:04:43
Like from an amenity standpoint, I don't know that we need to count the courtyard. 00:04:47
As one of our amenities. 00:04:52
Umm, because I think we're. 00:04:54
We're including a lot of amenities like. 00:04:56
I think there's like 3 within. 00:04:59
Like an eighth of a mile. 00:05:02
And for within 1/4 so some something like that. 00:05:04
And I know we we need that in other ways. And so we may not have to count the quarter. So if if we're short on the dimension. 00:05:08
The dimensional size of the courtyard I think we could be OK, but. 00:05:16
We can provide that information to Rachel to show which amenities. 00:05:19
We would, we would count. 00:05:24
To to fulfill that requirement and then. 00:05:26
The transparency requirements, Rachel, I don't know if you have. 00:05:29
You have like a. 00:05:33
Umm, how you measure that? Or like some kind of exhibit where you. 00:05:35
You did a take off on the transparency because that might be helpful to see. 00:05:40
How you're looking at it? 00:05:44
OK. Yeah, I can share that with you. 00:05:47
OK. 00:05:50
I I use with the medium. 00:05:51
To measure all those needs to get dimensions. 00:05:57
OK. 00:06:00
Yeah, that, that would be helpful because there might, there might be stuff that we're we're considering as as transparent. 00:06:01
Having the transparency that that maybe you're not counting your. 00:06:08
Something because I think in BJ you can speak up on this too, but. 00:06:12
I think we had that one was. 00:06:16
The only one that was surprising of like, oh, we thought we were well over but. 00:06:18
We can look at that and then. 00:06:24
On the landscaping plans, this is probably more for. 00:06:25
For us to understand at this stage of design, so. 00:06:29
We're bringing in. 00:06:32
We're coming in for site plan early in the stage of architecture, so that if there are some major things that we need to look at 00:06:34
like. 00:06:37
This courtyard one would be a pretty major change to architecture, and that's why we like to come in early. 00:06:42
And also like. 00:06:47
Uh, health safety, like fire related things that we try to get in front of Chris and, and Brandon early. 00:06:49
So that we can catch any of this stuff. 00:06:56
Really early on, before we're too far into architecture. 00:06:58
So we we do. We are coming in pretty early and because of that. 00:07:01
Our landscape plans aren't fully developed like we know. 00:07:05
What areas will be landscaped? 00:07:09
But we don't necessarily haven't put like planting detail or irrigation details together yet. 00:07:11
And that's something like as we move forward, we, if there's another, if we can do like a deferred submittal or like a condition 00:07:17
of approval on site plans for when we do finish the landscape plan. 00:07:22
We bring those back in. 00:07:28
With species and every and counts and everything so that you can do your review. 00:07:30
If that just helps us to. 00:07:35
Be able to make you know or have some certainty on moving forward on architecture. Is that something that you'd want to submit 00:07:37
like prior, like with the building permit and then we review it at that stage? Yeah, that timing works for you guys. That would 00:07:42
work for us. 00:07:46
I think you wanna see it earlier. Oh gosh. I think for us, uh, uh, here for 10. 00:07:51
Uh, some areas like the square footage of areas that could be. 00:07:58
That would be last year, but also loan providers and loan. 00:08:01
Your information is a type of, I might want to type the landscape and like versus like, uh, grass, grass areas, red green areas 00:08:04
versus, uh, planner areas and so forth. I think that because that was what I'll do is provide us a good, umm, kind of indication 00:08:09
in terms of like, umm. 00:08:14
Water needs for for as an example, say OK. 00:08:19
Because I mean, we, we understand that there's gonna be some variances. 00:08:22
Umm, the biggest also, the other thing is, uh, are some of our concerns. Al always comes out to a pack of licenses and deviation. 00:08:25
If you're expecting a deviation from like our current uh. 00:08:31
300 on that, then earlier like you're on species, on species and stuff, especially when it comes to trees and so forth because I 00:08:37
mean the earlier we can get on that because that goes through the whole different. I mean it would be a tough process as well. 00:08:43
Yeah. So maybe what I can do is just send you guys what like. 00:08:49
This is what I would expect to send in as a pipeline review and it would like have the areas of landscaping, what's grass, what's 00:08:55
not grass. 00:08:59
What's hardscape? What? 00:09:03
Landscape, I think that would, I think like tentative list of here's the plant material we anticipate we'll use. And then if we 00:09:05
deviate from that in the actual financing plan, we could just flag this is a new plant that you didn't see or or something like 00:09:11
what we can do is if you're trying to get ahead of the game on terms of the umm with umm, with the architectural, uh, and then, 00:09:16
uh, like our example, like starting in. 00:09:22
No, it's just it's difficult to use. 00:09:28
I think posture, posture everyone to allow. 00:09:30
Well, the officials in the middle for landscaping at the growing permit stage just to kind of go through a little bit smoother. 00:09:33
Yeah, that's fine. That's right. We could do like the land of service permit stage, Yeah, when we come in for the land of service 00:09:37
prior to. 00:09:42
I mean, I understand. So this way you get, uh, you get, you get some feedback early on if it has to go through like the treat 00:09:46
committee specifically As for example, we can get that on the schedule. So. 00:09:52
Uh, and then when you know for building permit. 00:09:57
Any kind of small variance, uh, deviations like I'm playing purple flowers does it. 00:10:00
Green, uh, blue flower, there we go. That those are, those are minor things versus. 00:10:05
And I'm, I'm, I'm planning on putting off some, uh, mangroves in there instead of OK. 00:10:10
You have to pass it to the Rep deviation. I would like to see angles here though. 00:10:15
Not really. And I, I can talk to, they just wouldn't, it wouldn't grow. I, I can talk to Morgan about, uh, seeing if he'd be OK 00:10:19
doing the condition of approval at Planning Commission. That might be something off the Planning Commission would want to see. And 00:10:25
if, if you could provide at least like that list of, you know, here's the typical planting. 00:10:31
Umm, but they they might want to see a more detailed landscape plan that shows where whatever trees are being planted. 00:10:37
But we, we can work through that on, on each one of these because I think that's gonna be a comment probably from every single one 00:10:45
of these applications is, is we just don't have those details, you know? 00:10:49
Rachel, is there any, uh. 00:10:56
Can I, can I wait to ask you a question on that? Are you? 00:10:59
PJ with Utah City as well. Umm. 00:11:03
And what makes sense to? 00:11:05
For Bronson and I to put together kind of a standard Utah City landscape outlet. 00:11:09
Umm that you guys we could present to you guys. 00:11:14
Unlike these situations that you guys are proven and we would say as we're designing these buildings, here's the palette we're 00:11:17
always choosing from. Here's our our typical menu. 00:11:23
To just demonstrate our our standard of care fellow project. 00:11:28
And, and so, umm, because it's only just a little bit, we may, you know, use a little bit more of plan A versus Plan B. And then, 00:11:33
you know, but at this stage we could say, here's our, we wanna demonstrate to you all, you know, the, the quality that we're gonna 00:11:40
deliver. But we just don't know how many of these plans we're gonna use yet. Or exactly if there's a spot A or spot B would, would 00:11:46
that be something that could work as well? 00:11:53
Umm, I'm I'm in favor of seeing something like that. And that's something we could have George, our city, our risk also kind of 00:12:00
examine, make sure that. 00:12:04
That those items would would do well within the city. 00:12:08
Do you have any comments on that, Nathan? No. 00:12:11
I'm sorry, I know that'd be great. Uh, that definitely is that. If you put something like that together, we'll, uh. 00:12:14
We can, uh. 00:12:19
Georgetown are they are with, uh, would, uh, take the lead, uh, in terms of uh, trying to go through that and then if it needs to 00:12:21
go through the UH3D2 committee. 00:12:26
And then we can get, we can get give us early on and bring in our feedback so we can be required. 00:12:30
Great. Yeah, I think we've got. 00:12:36
We have 5 different planting lists of things that have already been submitted. 00:12:38
Through site plan approval. So we've got like a pretty stout. 00:12:43
Plankton fell out already. 00:12:47
When you just compile that all into one list and that'd be great. 00:12:49
Goodbye to you. 00:12:53
I'd like to make a comment so I can put that, uh, plants and talent together. I want you to umm. 00:12:55
Make sure you're referring to the Vineyard treatment to make sure you have you're all on the same page. We'll make the review 00:13:00
easier. 00:13:04
OK. OK. Rachel, were there any other comments from from your block before we move on? 00:13:09
Uh, no, over the Northeast neighborhood, everything is maintained, right? And, and remind me, was there an issue with the planning 00:13:16
on that lot? 00:13:20
No. OK, great. 00:13:27
And that, if I could ask one question of Rachel, uh, before we move on as well on the transparency, I think the, the zoning is 00:13:30
clear on kind of how we measure that. 00:13:35
Being able to take into account the frames and things like that. But I think that's clear. The question I have is the zoning rate 00:13:41
that is transparency facing the street. So for example, on 13 C, uh, the north side of the building, uh, faces the Paseo. 00:13:49
Are you, are you viewing with the Jo at the street? 00:13:57
We, we and the architects are not viewing that as a public St. 00:14:03
So I just wanna make sure we're not just having different opinions of that, that we addressed it appropriately. 00:14:08
OK, umm, I I'll do a detailed one with a code and then make it up to you on that one. Absolutely. 00:14:15
At the end of the day, I'm not trying to challenge you on it. I'm just trying to make sure we're all speaking the same language. 00:14:22
Yeah. And if if you guys wanted to on that, that transparency requirement, if if you guys when you talk that you wanted to. 00:14:28
Show us your measurement and say this is how we got the 35%. We can compare that with how we did it as well. 00:14:34
Umm, that might be beneficial. I I think you can do those measurements pretty quick. 00:14:39
Yeah, umm, But yeah, as far as my two blocks, if we're ready to move on to that, when, uh. 00:14:44
OK, I have some comments about transparency as well. I, I did not count anything that was not street based and so you know all 00:14:50
these interior. 00:14:54
Elevations. None of those were were measured for transparency. It was just the the one facing the street. 00:14:58
That that were measured. 00:15:04
I think that's something too we could include is like a form. 00:15:05
My plan, uh, I think we'll probably start including an exhibit that just. 00:15:09
Demonstrate the percentage of transparency when we submit to. 00:15:14
Kind of avoid this uh, comment in the future. That'd be great. Exactly what I was gonna say yeah we can add that as just the 00:15:18
middle and. 00:15:23
You know, show our calculation on how we got there. 00:15:27
OK. Are we gonna move on to the next one, Chair? 00:15:31
Uh, and does anyone have on, Does anyone have any, uh, comments for consultancy? 00:15:34
The building has no comment. 00:15:41
Fine. 00:15:43
Umm, just, uh, wasn't able to find the on the site plan like, uh. 00:15:45
The full scope of like the blocks with the utility plan for the hydrant location. 00:15:50
On most blocks, umm just with the massive square footage that's being built, it's on average gonna be 8 hydrants. That means 00:15:56
within 1000 square feet and. 00:16:01
You can kinda show me like with the 200. 00:16:05
200 foot average spacing, umm around there and then there may be some additional requirements, umm. 00:16:09
Uh, for like 150 foot rule around building that kind of thing, but. 00:16:17
Yeah, in in this presentation that we'll get to. 00:16:23
We I've got each of the fire access plans in there. Awesome, except for the grocery store, because the grocery stores. 00:16:27
Is open all the way around, so I didn't do. 00:16:34
We can do a plan for that one. 00:16:37
OK. So we'll have, you know the street hydrant. We know we've got a street hydrant, but we'll look at Block 4 independently. But 00:16:39
on all of these ones that are in the same area, all of them are looked at all on one map. OK, OK, thank you. 00:16:45
OK, alright. 00:16:53
Uh, I think you probably end up having other problems. Uh, no, I'm certain. OK, alright. 00:16:55
Ericsson All right, Preston All right. And then, uh. 00:17:00
Patrick, sorry, I was gonna call you soon. 00:17:04
Umm, I don't think we really have comments on 13B. 00:17:08
I'm in no way so can see we're talking for Charlie right now. Yeah, we don't have any comments. 00:17:12
Yeah, but we haven't taken it for a technical review yet. Alright, I'll show. I'm sure we're always.com. Maybe one thing I'll just 00:17:17
point out on SO associated with 13. 00:17:22
C is the the. 00:17:27
Save 2C right away plans and there is a change. 00:17:29
Uh, in that plan set, so you see we're second goes to an angle. 00:17:34
Over to Dover. 00:17:40
That has now been updated course. Yeah, yeah, I've been reviewing those. 00:17:41
OK. 00:17:47
Yeah. So that is one change. I just wanted to point out that we're looking at this map because we do have an updated civil 00:17:48
package. 00:17:52
And then for. 00:17:56
I guess we don't need to talk about this now, but there is now. 00:17:58
Another right of way package for this street to the north. 00:18:00
They get us up to 12 more. 00:18:04
Yeah, I was gonna mention that with the other blocks. 00:18:07
Umm, that that needs to be included in the plan disturbance permit. 00:18:09
But whether that's with the building, since you have the building. 00:18:14
I need to go or separate umm. 00:18:18
We can do another one, OK. 00:18:22
There is a a final. 00:18:24
The middle that I just think I just need to pay the fee on. 00:18:27
For that area so. 00:18:30
The comment that's coming up of we don't have a plat for AT&T either. 00:18:32
13B18C dot area. 00:18:37
That plan is now coming forward and. 00:18:41
Those right away plan. 00:18:44
Are associated with that so. 00:18:46
We have a a final plat application that. 00:18:48
Is pending payment and then if you want to send in the line of service permit for the street project for the right away project, 00:18:52
we can. 00:18:55
Do that, Sir. I think Corey was looking on that, but maybe yeah, I think internally we were talking about the kind of separating 00:18:59
the land and service permits of the right ways from the blocks is uh. 00:19:04
Operational income better, but that's, uh, that could be an offline discussion that we have check with uh yourself, myself, Corey. 00:19:09
And Patrick, yeah, I and I agree too, because it's gonna be their RDA are associated with RDA and that's it makes. 00:19:16
Sense to make a clean break. 00:19:23
On our application, Roger. 00:19:25
Alright, uh, so Patrick, anything else, Sir? 00:19:29
Uh, no. OK on that one. Alright, sweet. So I guess I'll move on to the next work session. All right. 00:19:31
I mean, that's probably the same what works out for my Internet. We just wanted to quickly talk about virtuous umm with with 00:19:37
Rachel on the call. 00:19:41
Umm, the one These these are all comments I've shared with Ron, and we've talked about some of them already. 00:19:44
Umm. But one that I I did want to focus on is just a scope of work. If we could do a scope of work, it could even be the the same 00:19:49
scope of work for each one of these projects. 00:19:53
And then breakdown, Yeah, yeah, yeah. We just especially with, with some of these amenities places, we're not exactly sure what 00:19:57
the uses is. It's a public amenity faces with the private, you know. 00:20:02
HOA or whatever you wanna call it, a managed amenity space. 00:20:08
Umm, it helps with our parking calculations as well. 00:20:12
Umm, and same thing like the the bike rack or the bike room, you have one that's like bike storage and the new one's a bike shop. 00:20:16
Yeah. And, and I don't know if there's like storage in there as well. Just just give us an idea of. 00:20:23
Of, you know, how these these buildings are gonna be operated And yeah, just a good narrative. 00:20:30
Umm. 00:20:36
I will update or I'll review the parking uh. 00:20:39
Uh, exhibit that you sent in and compare that to to where we we need to be. 00:20:41
Umm, transparency. Did you have any comments on that, on how we measured those? 00:20:46
No, we do have the architect Ron and Brian with Portugal for these two blocks. OK, so. 00:20:51
Ron and Brian, if you've got questions on that, on the transparency, we haven't already covered some of those. 00:20:58
I have some questions. 00:21:04
You guys can speak up and we like what what was said about 13 feet, we'll submit our, uh, an exhibit showing what our intention 00:21:06
is. 00:21:10
OK, let me if I can find this. 00:21:15
I can show you. 00:21:19
We, we didn't do on, on these measurements. We were just measuring and if it was. 00:21:21
Like over 35% or like no worries if it you know with 33% then we did take our time more like carefully on that measuring. 00:21:25
Umm. 00:21:33
I think. 00:21:36
That doesn't matter. 00:21:38
Umm. 00:21:39
Transparency. We talked about bike details already. 00:21:41
And landscaping, umm. 00:21:44
Yeah, same thing. And and maybe in that narrative you can include the the breakdown of. 00:21:46
Hardscape to landscaping. 00:21:50
Umm, and same thing with these courtyards, how they're gonna be activated or what? What amenities are gonna be provided there? I 00:21:52
do know one of the plans here showed. 00:21:56
Umm, show that information. 00:22:01
Umm, these temporary parking lots. So I I do know our code has some, uh. 00:22:04
Umm, language in there about, you know, providing some sort of temporary landscaping. 00:22:10
Umm, we just wanna see what what that's going to look like. Umm. 00:22:14
And, and you're well aware of the code after I think 7 years, it's still, you know, operating the temporary parking lot and it has 00:22:18
to be upgraded. Yeah. Umm. 00:22:23
From the same thing, uh, a photometric plan. We just wanna see that these parking lots are lit up. Umm. 00:22:29
Just for for safety. 00:22:34
That's that that photometric plan is kind of the more it's a landscape usually. 00:22:40
The electrical engineer isn't. 00:22:45
Super involved at this stage, they were preliminarily involved, but. 00:22:47
I think the the photometric plan on these part, if that's what you're looking at is like parking lot lighting. I think that's 00:22:52
something we can add. Yeah, that'd be great. Even if you just show that it's there and then you know, if the Planning Commission, 00:22:58
some people will do it condition that a more detailed plan will be submitted with building. 00:23:03
That that's fine by me, as long as we have the chance to review that. 00:23:09
Because I guess so from the city's perspective is that does that go to building and help safety welfare check that you guys are 00:23:12
doing on parking lot for for lighting? 00:23:17
Or is it more of like a? 00:23:23
From the planning department view on the site plan you wanted to see. 00:23:25
A certain foot candle that we're hitting or. 00:23:29
I guess where where is the? 00:23:32
From the city's perspective, where is that like the critical approval point? 00:23:36
Is it? Is it from a? 00:23:40
Safety of people parking and being able to safely walk to the building and having it lit. Or is it? 00:23:42
Like, uh. 00:23:47
From a planning side, is it like an aesthetic that we're trying to hit? 00:23:49
Just so we know where like where is it best to make sure we hit we get the photometric into you guys for for review. 00:23:53
I would think it would be before it came to building. Yeah, in in our totally review. Just make sure that it's down lit. 00:24:01
We make sure that the the pole height is the right, you know, height. Make sure that the the light isn't, I mean, this doesn't 00:24:09
necessarily affect your project is it does others, but make sure it's not like spilling over on neighboring properties. OK, So 00:24:15
that that is generally why we asked for that photometric for Planning Commission so that we can review that. 00:24:21
Umm, as part of kind of complete package. So even if you could provide us, I know you've installed some authority. 00:24:27
Umm, over there. And for the other blocks, if you could provide, yeah, if you could provide us like the details of of the type of 00:24:33
light that you're gonna use. 00:24:36
The typical pool height and that that kind of information, umm, we can then use that for Planning Commission, OK. 00:24:40
That one, those are all on five and six, they're all temporary lights that will come out one of the new building comes in sure 00:24:47
online, but. 00:24:51
I would think we still need to hit whatever the city's requirements are. 00:24:55
I'm not even in the temporary condition. 00:25:00
A little bit different than landscaping, Umm. 00:25:02
Because the land, the landscaping. 00:25:06
You know is. 00:25:08
Does provide shade on the parking lot, but it's not necessarily a. 00:25:10
Right, right. As much as the lighting is so. 00:25:16
I I think that that's the I sent broad for my comments so. 00:25:21
I mean two blocks. Umm, oh, I guess if we want to, uh, we, we could bring up the bridge right now. I have a question about, uh, 00:25:26
this will pass by the wire. 00:25:30
Just speak fast enough. 00:25:36
Uh, when it's a temporary device, are we talking, uh, are the temporary lights are being different than what the, like the, uh, in 00:25:37
terms of style and height and so forth? And what, uh, from whatever, I'm gonna do that. 00:25:43
They're more like a shoe box type light. 00:25:50
They're they're taller than our street lights. 00:25:53
OK. Is that something that would have to go for invariants? 00:25:56
As long as it's under 20 feet, then we're OK. I mean, especially I'm talking about the, the, the type you use. I have the files 00:25:59
and so forth. I, I have to look through our phone. I don't think the code is very specific, uh, with. 00:26:05
Like a temporary light structure, Especially since this is just a temporary lock. Do I think it's the code is more specific 00:26:11
towards the permanent installation? OK so I know when we did the ETA uh translation, we provide a variance for a certain time 00:26:15
frame. 00:26:19
But I think they're light bulbs are a lot different than. 00:26:24
All right, I will pull. 00:26:27
There's a I appreciate there. 00:26:30
Uh, the way that they do it, I find the way I work on it too. 00:26:32
But, uh, but I just wanna make sure because I know we did have, uh, we did the conditions on that with, with certain time notes 00:26:35
and so forth. And it might be something that we would have to consider for this one, but we did have that discussion generally 00:26:38
offline, yeah. And come back. 00:26:42
Yeah, thanks. 00:26:47
Yeah, that sounds good. I think we would probably. 00:26:48
We we'll submit what we did for 5:00 and 6:00. 00:26:52
And if that works for you, once they're they're nice looking light, they're LED lights. 00:26:55
It's like a thin profile. 00:27:00
The black. 00:27:02
Umm, so they look, they look good. They look like they're permanent lights. But when we build a building, we'll pop those out and 00:27:04
we'll move them. 00:27:07
To a different location where we need them. 00:27:11
OK, umm, if if we want to to dive into this, I think this might be probably the the biggest issue with these two watts is that 00:27:15
pedestrian bridge. 00:27:19
Umm, did you have any update from? We have that conversation with Jamie about looking at the code to to see. 00:27:23
You know, is this a permitted type? Use. 00:27:30
And we also talked about building the UMM. 00:27:32
Entrance type. The arcade entrance type, Yeah. 00:27:36
Yeah, maybe let's just pull that up just so we have a picture. 00:27:40
In everybody's mind of power. 00:27:43
Of what we're talking about. Like this work right here. 00:27:46
Or do you want to see this? 00:27:49
No, I think that's that's good. If there's do you have like a? 00:27:51
Flat elevation, yeah, I might. So what you're kind of seeing is. 00:27:55
Down on the street level, if we're looking at the first story, we've got. 00:27:59
Uh, Dover Street is, is the street that goes between the buildings and then a third. 00:28:02
Is the street out out in front that parallels the building so as you take over? 00:28:07
As you go between the buildings on Dover, we are taking the building facade and we're. 00:28:13
Umm, doing this arcade entrance. 00:28:18
That's in the code and we're. 00:28:21
We're essentially. 00:28:23
Putting a canopy over the sidewalk. 00:28:25
So, and then as you go a little bit further back, you can kind of see the bridge section. There's a bridge that connects the two 00:28:27
buildings. 00:28:31
And those areas up there on the top are amenity spaces. There's kind of a. 00:28:35
Club room, lounge space. 00:28:41
Umm, on on both sides, one of them larger than the other. 00:28:43
But so this is This shows the arcade really well, so. 00:28:47
The building space, umm. 00:28:51
Not the arcade, but. 00:28:54
On the on the left side the sidewalk, so the right away it hits right there. 00:28:55
The sidewalk the the right of way public sidewalk goes underneath the building. 00:29:00
And then these columns are coming down. 00:29:06
Near the back of term. 00:29:09
And so this is a pretty unique situation where we've got. 00:29:11
We're extending some private improvements out of it right away. 00:29:14
But then in addition to that is we're having occupancy. 00:29:18
Up above the sidewalk. So those are those are units up above and then. 00:29:23
An amenity space up, up above that. 00:29:27
So we've been, uh, talking to Jamie and Morgan and Cash about how exactly we, we thought this. 00:29:31
This scenario, so there's a couple of. 00:29:37
Options that we've talked about, umm, so really there's kind of two issues. 00:29:40
There's the the skybridge that actually does go across. 00:29:45
The street, you're seeing just a little segment of it there. 00:29:48
And then the second is. 00:29:52
We're proposing occupancy. 00:29:54
Above a proposed public right away so. 00:29:56
Some of the the things that we're considering is. 00:30:00
Is placing an easement. 00:30:03
Across that section, I think the the length of it longed over. 00:30:05
Is about 65 feet. 00:30:09
And so we're looking at possibly doing, can we accommodate? 00:30:12
That kind of use in a in an easement. 00:30:15
Uh, another option would be to take the right of way and kind of knock it out around the building. 00:30:19
Where we're proposing occupancy up above so. 00:30:25
That right away line instead of going along back the sidewalk. 00:30:28
As it normally does. 00:30:32
It would come around the building. 00:30:33
So that piece of land would be private still, and the public right away would go around it. 00:30:35
Umm. 00:30:41
And then I guess the third option is like a combination of those. 00:30:44
Uh, or or keeping that section of 65 feet. 00:30:47
Of Dover. 00:30:51
Completely private. 00:30:52
Umm and then once we passed that, then it would go public again. 00:30:54
So the the plan that that you're working on right now, does that address this? 00:31:01
No, I looked at it again and it doesn't have that in there, so I was gonna contact uh. 00:31:06
Umm, Northern and just say what's? 00:31:11
Start with an easement. 00:31:13
Let's place an easement across the. 00:31:14
The street at 65 feet in length and. 00:31:16
And that would be like our. So I'll I'll get in there and update that file once I get that from. 00:31:21
From Northern. 00:31:26
But those are kind of the options that we're looking at with with Jamie, the city attorney. 00:31:28
And umm, on our side. Umm. 00:31:32
We're we're taking a look at like different precedences around the state, like the the one that came to mind was on Main Street 00:31:36
and Salt Lake. 00:31:39
They've got that skybridge. It's a little bit different scenario it. 00:31:43
Would apply probably to our bridge, but. 00:31:47
What we have that's different than that is we actually have occupancy. 00:31:50
Popping out into the right away. 00:31:54
Yeah, alright. Brian too. Brian's been looking at some precedents. I don't know, Brian, if you're ready to share any? 00:31:58
Examples that you're able to find but. 00:32:04
Over, uh, not yet, but I think you explained it really well The the the the issue. 00:32:07
Correct. Yeah. And I know that there are, you know, you have a lot of gears on the motion on different fronts and, uh. 00:32:14
Different levels, but I think. 00:32:21
Uh, working on this and again, I'm not gonna, I wanna speak for uh. 00:32:22
Uh, what kind of you got with them, with Jamie and finance and so forth? 00:32:26
I think when it comes to like umm, the infrastructure, utilities and so forth to make it easier for everyone without like 00:32:31
depending on, regardless of what the outcome is, uh, making sure that there's any type critical infrastructure is, uh. 00:32:37
Uh, umm. 00:32:44
Access points and so forth are separate. Outside, those remain private. 00:32:45
We've got public or even, or even with the public, uh, or if it's public and so forth, we, we start having less in terms of top 00:32:51
conflicts because that's when we're looking at, OK, what are the kind of conference, uh. 00:32:57
The weather scenario is like, OK, what if in 50 years we have to do some something? 00:33:03
How can we? How can we possibly go? 00:33:08
So maybe like an example of like making sure? 00:33:10
Sewer manholes are outside of that area. Yeah, water valves are out of that area. 00:33:13
When you talk to engineers, probably worse, you can go into like. 00:33:19
What if, umm, crazy scenarios? 00:33:23
Uh, I don't want to say crazy, but all the weather scenarios. 00:33:26
And so forth and. 00:33:29
I think if you just, uh, posture yourself forward. 00:33:30
Uh, uh, to address those things early on then. 00:33:32
Moving forward, uh, an extra assigned and makes things a lot easier regardless of the outcome is. 00:33:35
Uh, working with, uh, working with, uh, generative planning, OK. 00:33:42
That's no absolutely good point. Ted with McNeil is on 30 River civil engineering part so. 00:33:46
Hopefully Ted heard all that and we can make sure we look at that. 00:33:53
And again, uh, we're, we're building. 00:33:57
I'll, I'll go ahead and speak for Patrick because Patrick will the meetings. 00:33:59
But we're always open to have a specific, uh, independent meeting. 00:34:02
Uh, this guy I have. 00:34:05
Just to verbally talk something down. 00:34:07
The the other thing I did want to ask is I, I know in that meeting with Jamie, we asked you if if. 00:34:09
You knew of in the code if it allows for this kind of cyber to use, we're able to find anything. The only thing that really we 00:34:15
found is is just that that market type that that the code points out and. 00:34:21
You know, it doesn't really go into depth of because that image shows occupancy. It looks like it's occupancy up above. 00:34:28
The Arcade. 00:34:35
But. 00:34:37
All all it is is just the picture. There's no text that supports it so. 00:34:38
That that, that might be something that that we also, I've just been really busy on our end too, that we we haven't really been 00:34:42
able to examine the code. 00:34:46
Umm, but that might pose a potential issue. 00:34:49
Umm, if if that might require a text amendment to to allow for these, you know, type of sky bridges. 00:34:53
Umm, it just might push this down, you know, getting it on to the Planning Commission. But we'll, we'll let you know as soon as we 00:34:59
kind of determine on our end what our analysis says. 00:35:04
OK. 00:35:09
Yeah, sounds good. 00:35:10
For that for this current one. 00:35:12
Uh, was that was that was after this ticket? 00:35:14
Umm yeah, umm. 00:35:17
I I think so. OK, that's fine. That's my comment alright. Anyone else has comments? Patrick, Sir? 00:35:19
Uh, no, I don't have any other comments. OK, Anthony. 00:35:26
OK. And then we'll we'll work with pressing this time around. 00:35:30
Uh, Eric, Sir? 00:35:34
No, no, I'm good. Cash is good. 00:35:35
Nothing good, no comment. Alright space. So let's move on to the next item of this framework. Session item. 00:35:39
Umm, grocery store block. That'll be Anthony. 00:35:49
So are you on the call by chance, Anthony? Uh, please call. 00:35:52
If you want to join that way, you can share your screen and. 00:35:57
OK, alright. While I preparing that I will say we're moving on to 3.2 Utah City block #4. 00:36:01
Fellows Market. 00:36:08
Right plan. 00:36:10
And Anthony, uh, is going to take a read on this. 00:36:12
Come in. 00:36:20
OK, so umm. 00:36:30
A lot of our comments are pretty similar. Uh, I I feel I didn't have a very complete application for. 00:36:33
Umm, Novellus market. I you know, I'll start with. 00:36:40
Title report and tax clearance, it's a requirement to have it uploaded. We don't have that. 00:36:45
So I wanna make sure at least we have a claim title that. 00:36:50
Shows that, you know, owe any taxes, uh. 00:36:54
To proceed, we also want to remind you that the landscape plan was not complete. 00:36:56
I'd like to probably show something right here. 00:37:01
Umm Oh yeah, are you? 00:37:04
Umm, share screen right here. 00:37:17
So going on the landscape plan, it's. 00:37:30
You know, very general. 00:37:33
Looks like a very generalized 1. Not enough detail. 00:37:35
Umm, this site plan, I mean this, uh, landscape plan has. 00:37:39
Sure, I'm sure. 00:37:43
It's kind of nice. 00:37:49
Can you hear us? Can you hear us online, please? 00:38:03
I think you gotta mute the mute. 00:38:09
Let me see this right now. 00:38:14
Umm, sugar. 00:38:21
The computer, I don't know where that is coming from. Hold on. 00:38:23
Yeah, there you go. Lot better. 00:38:26
Is that better? 00:38:29
Yeah, OK. 00:38:31
Thank you. 00:38:33
That's, that's OK. So, umm, I, I see that you have, you know, a couple of times here that, uh, listed, but it would be nice to 00:38:36
make sure that all these plans are really. 00:38:40
Something that's within our, uh, vignette tree manual. 00:38:45
We had a few in there that were umm. 00:38:48
Not so that's why I'm drawing attention to that. And also this whole, uh, landscape plan shows, uh. 00:38:50
Umm, landscaping for the, uh, whole block built out. 00:38:58
It'll be nice to. 00:39:02
Umm, really? Let us know for this application what what is going to be here in these spots, Because I know if we appreciate you 00:39:04
letting us know that you're gonna have these buildings here. 00:39:09
We don't know what that is gonna be, but we've had conversations before where. 00:39:15
Umm, you know you've mentioned that. 00:39:20
I mean, your team has mentioned that you haven't parked in here. 00:39:22
So it would be nice to also. 00:39:26
Umm, meet the landscaping requirements for, you know. 00:39:28
So yeah, I know on Friday I was talking with Pete at our, uh, weekly meeting prior to him, umm, but he just mentioned, because I 00:39:33
think you might have said that that was gonna be temporary parking. So they said that was not the plan. 00:39:39
So we just wanna know, you know, north of the grocery store. 00:39:46
And and West, you know that other section of building. 00:39:49
Yeah, if, if that isn't can be built out, what? What is the final? You know what? 00:39:54
Didn't didn't we also discuss potentially just? 00:40:00
Having that. 00:40:03
Whole area grayed out and not. If we're gonna treat it as a separate location then. 00:40:04
Treat it separate. Don't don't have anything there. If that's not if nothing is going to be done at this point. 00:40:09
Yes, we did talk about that last time. However I want to. 00:40:15
Add on to that, uh, that comment that if, if we're gonna have that grayed out, we wanna have this subdivided because. 00:40:19
Umm, we will treat this whole block as a as a complete lot. 00:40:26
Which should meet all our requirements. So if it's going to be grayed out, you have to have this thermal subdivided. 00:40:32
To meet all the requirements. 00:40:38
If you don't subdivide this, you'll be subject to all the requirements for landscaping then that area, whether you choose to make 00:40:39
it, uh, parking or. 00:40:43
Pickleball courts. Whatever you decide to do, you will be subject to all the requirements for landscaping. 00:40:47
So, umm, it'll be a good thing for you to subdivide this. 00:40:53
To reduce the requirements on that one as well. So umm, I think that we have started the process on subdividing that. So 00:40:57
independent of what you were just saying. 00:41:02
From like a. 00:41:07
A development side we're we're usually each building is gonna have its own entity that's gonna be building that building. 00:41:08
And so we started the process of subdividing. 00:41:16
Separating the actually the grocery store from the residential route. 00:41:19
That will probably be the next phase that we bring in so. 00:41:23
We're working on that. 00:41:26
On that subdivision. 00:41:28
And we'll get that in as quick as we can, but that is that's the plan. 00:41:30
So we could if you go to the civil sheet. 00:41:34
The civil sheet is. 00:41:37
Probably a better representation of what's getting built right now. 00:41:39
Umm. 00:41:44
If you flip over to that. 00:41:46
Google Flight, there's a sheet in there. 00:41:49
They would be quick to pull up. 00:41:52
Go down. 00:41:56
This one here. 00:41:57
So this one just shows the parking lot out front shows the block of the grocery store, but the residential raft is. 00:42:02
Is kind of part of that building. 00:42:09
We can show that delineation and then. 00:42:11
Those lines up above or just outlines of what those what those future buildings are, but. 00:42:14
We can we'll we'll come in with a new final plat with some devices block. 00:42:20
But just for reference of what's being built now is that parking lot that. 00:42:24
Surface parking lot out front. 00:42:30
And then just the grocery store block and then there's. 00:42:32
A potato that connects the parking. 00:42:35
Over to. 00:42:37
Umm, 4th Ave. 00:42:39
And then and then you have a grocery store and then. 00:42:42
Soon we'll be bringing in the residential wrap that covers the. 00:42:46
The West and north side of the grocery store. 00:42:50
All right, so umm. 00:42:56
Since you've brought up that residential wrap, it'll be good to have a good narrative in this as well. We're we're missing that 00:42:58
and. 00:43:02
I know we've had conversations so. 00:43:06
Within the planning team, we know that something like that is about to happen. 00:43:09
But we don't have a lot more detail to guide us as we, uh, review this stuff. So we have, we'll be happy to have. 00:43:13
A full narrative that even. 00:43:20
Umm breaks down the parking and you know umm. 00:43:22
What you intend to do? 00:43:26
Having that site. 00:43:29
And how you intend to even face things out within that same spot as well. 00:43:31
Umm, talking about parking, uh. 00:43:36
Again, would need that breakdown. 00:43:39
To help us out, umm, I did not see enough information on the, uh, number of bike racks. 00:43:41
So that that should be. 00:43:49
Indicated as well. 00:43:51
Umm, you. You might wanna check your requirements for your ADAS also as well. 00:43:53
That's gonna be a good one for you. 00:43:58
Umm, the drive through. 00:44:01
Pharmacy. 00:44:04
I know you've updated it with this site plan that you're showing me. 00:44:05
About what I had, uh, review. 00:44:09
Umm, first of all, drive through. They're not. 00:44:12
Permitted in the way it should, it's presented here. 00:44:15
In the downtown, you know umm mixed-use area, it should be at the back of the building which should be your W elevation. 00:44:19
And this time is gonna be. 00:44:27
Umm, the residential U units being around here, so you might want to look at how you present your drive through to. 00:44:29
Umm, as as a requirement? 00:44:36
It's just showing you that right now. 00:44:39
I just wanted to. 00:44:42
So drive through is on the you know the means of access must be located behind the billing. 00:44:50
So that street, you know, drop offs are not also committed, uh, to fit it, uh, drive through. So. 00:44:55
Umm, you might want to look at that in. 00:45:02
Presented in a better way to us. 00:45:05
And we'll move on to. 00:45:08
It would be like a. 00:45:13
A pick up. 00:45:15
So we do anticipate we'll have like. 00:45:16
Umm, you know, you could do mobile orders and pick up groceries. 00:45:19
Maybe the pharmacy is? 00:45:23
Treated somewhat similar, but it's. 00:45:25
Of a pick up scenario instead of like a drive through. 00:45:28
And that would be more accepted, umm, once you. 00:45:33
Have it as a drive through. It does not meet the code. 00:45:36
So. 00:45:39
And a narrative as well indicating all of that would be very helpful. 00:45:42
Umm. 00:45:48
Let's see. 00:45:53
OK. 00:45:59
You were missing a photometric plan as well. 00:46:09
So would need that. 00:46:12
Umm. 00:46:13
Would also need to have some irrigation plan as well. 00:46:17
As you update your. 00:46:20
Umm, the landscaping plan, just so that they they're talking to each other. 00:46:22
Maybe I'm real quick on that point, Anthony is. 00:46:29
Similar to like the. 00:46:32
What we've been talking about on landscaping. 00:46:34
I think an another step that we could do at this stage would be. 00:46:36
The method of irrigation. 00:46:39
Like most planting beds now are. 00:46:41
Our trip. 00:46:44
Grass is still like overhead, so we could probably. 00:46:46
You know, as we're classifying and and showing. 00:46:50
The preliminary landscape plan and what's landscaping, What's hardscape? What's planting that? What's lawn? 00:46:54
We could also add. 00:47:00
The irrigation method. So maybe we don't have a full blown. 00:47:02
Irrigation plan at this stage, but we can. 00:47:06
We can share like what our method of irrigation would be, whether it's overhead or. 00:47:09
Or subsurface drip. 00:47:14
Hey, real quick going back to the the pharmacy drive through. 00:47:18
Umm, I I do think that. 00:47:22
Doing the zoning text amendment there would be, uh, a pretty easy. 00:47:24
Way to accommodate that we just allow for Dr. throughs for pharmacies. 00:47:29
Umm, you know, we're not interested in having people going through a grocery store pick up their meds. It makes a lot more sense 00:47:33
to. 00:47:36
So after this, but we we just need to have some standards in there in terms of like the queuing and everything, which I also 00:47:39
understand. 00:47:42
You know, a lot smaller queuing distance and like a swig but. 00:47:45
Umm, we we can maybe start drafting up the language and and. 00:47:49
Make sure that that this type of use would fall within. 00:47:53
OK. 00:47:58
All right, so umm, one last comment I have is umm. 00:48:13
I mean prior to the. 00:48:17
To the information of having that. 00:48:19
Residential wrap. You know I. 00:48:21
We don't have that knowledge information while I was doing this with you. So one of my comments I had was transparency on the 00:48:24
north side. 00:48:28
Needs to be umm. 00:48:32
You know, 30% at least on the whole, umm, elevation. 00:48:34
And so currently it's below 30% and you have. 00:48:39
A blank wall like you have over 30 feet of blank wall. 00:48:43
So now that you're gonna have that residential Rep, I know it's gonna take care of that. 00:48:47
And it's the same comment for the West elevation of the grocery store as well. 00:48:51
Since you're having a residential wrap, so you need to have it all in the narrative and also some sort of regiment to show that 00:48:56
it's gonna happen. 00:48:59
I'll be 6 days in plan and all that. Yes and it'll be nice to also. 00:49:03
Umm, take out. 00:49:09
Twice, Uh, things that you're not gonna build. 00:49:11
It's it's good that you have this shown. I'm just gonna show you this. 00:49:14
Motivation. 00:49:19
It's good that you have. 00:49:21
These booking outlines showing your plans for the future, so you can keep this in the submission however. 00:49:24
It would be nice to just have it all taken out so that we're just showing the stuff that we need to with a description showing the 00:49:30
reasons why. 00:49:34
Was like, these are what they are right now because you're gonna have a wrap. 00:49:38
They're going around it. That does not make it umm. 00:49:42
You know, worth it creating more. 00:49:46
You know, material differences as we require. 00:49:48
And transparency as well. 00:49:51
So that's that's all I have for now. 00:49:53
Umm. 00:49:56
Yeah. So if you are. 00:49:59
You know going to do the subdivision as you've mentioned. 00:50:02
Wanna have that started as soon as possible just so we can. 00:50:05
Get it through the process as we as this moves forward to Planning Commission, because it has to be. 00:50:10
An approved plan to move forward so. 00:50:15
Alright, anything else, uh, about this? Is there anything else you'd like that? 00:50:23
I don't think that DJ, do you have any questions on this one? 00:50:26
Oh, are you muted? 00:50:34
I could see your mouth moving. 00:50:37
I can't hear you. 00:50:39
Oh, oh, we got you. 00:50:53
OK, umm. 00:50:57
I was just gonna say no questions at one point of clarification. Umm, it was just that the entire building under design right now 00:50:59
and it will be 1 continuous bill. 00:51:03
So I think we can address all this conference pretty easily and it's not a a. 00:51:09
But diagnosed discontinuous, we're just trying to get on that growth at first. So I think we could address all this for you with. 00:51:15
You know, like from a phasing perspective, it'll be like the grocery store. 00:51:23
Foundation will go in. 00:51:28
And that same crew, we anticipate that same foundation crew will then roll into the residential. 00:51:29
Fine. So that that's essentially like the timing it's. 00:51:36
One right after the other. 00:51:39
I have a question though, are you participating in having the grocery store in operation while you build the residential app? 00:51:42
You might want to indicate your plans to have that happen safely because Planning Commission would probably bring that up as well, 00:51:48
so you might want to have it. 00:51:52
Umm, just show that as well. 00:51:57
Yeah. 00:52:01
That's a good point. 00:52:02
OK. I appreciate that. OK. So any comments, Chris? 00:52:06
Uh, no. 00:52:12
Bye. 00:52:14
That's what you're saying. We need to, we gotta talk about the firewall separating the different uses, but. 00:52:15
Also the. 00:52:21
Planning to keep the public away from the residential while the grocery store is open. 00:52:23
Mm-hmm. Alright, Fire department. 00:52:28
Uh, no commentary. 00:52:31
Seeing the same stuff. OK, uh, yeah, I, I did, uh, you and I have discussed wanting to get the Planning Commission soon. 00:52:34
Umm, I, I do think because of some things, like especially with the surgery store block, we're gonna have to buy that. I mean, I 00:52:41
guess with the other two blocks. 00:52:45
Perhaps about that as well. That's. 00:52:48
I I don't think that the 88 sorry 7 is. 00:52:50
Impossible. Umm, would you be interested in doing a work session so that we can take the two Planning Commission, we can address 00:52:56
our concerns? 00:52:59
And then we can figure out the planning issues, take it back to Planning Commission, hopefully by that point still a little bit 00:53:04
easier of an approval. We've we've addressed our concerns. That's probably really smart because it would probably go that way 00:53:09
anyway, right, right. So yeah, that makes a lot of sense and I think we can. 00:53:14
A lot of the comments, I think we can get pulled together pretty quickly. OK, So we can give you guys a better idea. 00:53:19
On what what we're trying to do. And yeah, that's a good idea though on the. 00:53:27
Would would you want to do it on the 7th or the the next meeting be the 21st? 00:53:30
We just wouldn't need the agenda out sooner than later on. For us, the sooner the better. But. 00:53:36
Umm. 00:53:41
I mean, yeah, I would just be work session so they wouldn't be voting on it. 00:53:44
Right. And then. 00:53:47
So then. 00:53:48
I mean it, it would, would it be the 8th that you guys would do your next CRC uh. 00:53:50
Uh, the next. 00:53:54
Our calendar got my. It'd actually be the 15th I think. 00:53:56
OK, the first and 3rd Thursday. 00:54:00
Yeah. So if we did work session on the 7th, we come back in DRC. 00:54:03
Some of the team, hopefully most of this stuff is is addressed. 00:54:08
You guys are able to, yeah, give you a recommendation. And then the next Planning Commission is the next week, the 21st, yeah. 00:54:12
Yeah. 00:54:18
So, OK, we'll, we'll plan on putting you on agenda for our connection then do you think would you want all of these blocks on the 00:54:20
work session or just. 00:54:24
Yeah, if you guys still like your. 00:54:28
In a spot where we could, we could do that, yeah. 00:54:31
Yeah, we're we're always open to work sessions and I feel like it's always better to get ahead of the public comment and the 00:54:34
Planning Commission comments. 00:54:37
Before approval, Yeah, I think that's really smart because I, I was thinking too, we'd probably be doing more sessions on everyone 00:54:41
anyway. 00:54:45
That's a good idea. 00:54:50
OK, uh, and for engineering, uh, Patrick, uh, stuck out for another meeting, Umm, but umm. 00:54:51
On our side, if the drive through does so, uh, get proposed and amendments and, uh, plan to think, umm. 00:54:57
I would suggest that that that uh. 00:55:05
Do a uh, specific umm. 00:55:07
Umm, being switched to ground that drives you for a pharmacy, uh, because we're out there, we're gonna ask for fees and so forth. 00:55:09
But uh, recognizing grocery store pharmacy is, is more a unique thing. We'll drive through. Uh, there's, uh, there's opportunity 00:55:14
to place that drive through. 00:55:19
An area where? 00:55:24
All right, allow for free photocopy, but uh, now it's requiring so much. Umm. 00:55:25
Uh, I guess so much queuing requirements as well, Umm, it's something very common that, uh, I've done in my previous day. 00:55:30
So, OK, I don't know, but uh, in regards to that, I think everything else from engineer will come during technical reviews. 00:55:39
Sure, Eric, Sir. 00:55:47
OK, nothing from Eric Park. 00:55:48
I went to the park and and then we have to make nothing. No loss. Thanks. OK. 00:55:51
But having said, uh. 00:55:55
So, uh, closing out the work session, right? 00:55:56
Uh, so we're gonna take a, we'll have to take a I'll go to close that work session. We'll just jump right into it. OK. So with 00:55:59
that being said, any, do you have any staff permission committee reports? Uh, do you have any reports from past? 00:56:05
Nothing for now, please. Alright, cash. 00:56:14
Alright, Chris. 00:56:17
Nothing. All right, bye. Nothing. And. 00:56:19
The only thing we have coming from umm. 00:56:23
Engineering wise it's more just general knowledge for everyone, but uh, the trail underneath the 800 N bridge is actively being 00:56:25
disrupted. 00:56:30
And, uh, with curling and so forth. And, umm. 00:56:34
Which ties into this so uh, downtown development office downtown and also Ek. 00:56:38
Uh, from running station. 00:56:43
So good news. 00:56:44
Alright, alright, Erica. 00:56:46
No, no park. 00:56:51
Cool. Uh, with that being said, do I need to take a motion to adjourn? Oh, we're good. No one has. 00:56:54
Uh, Harper left the journey to me. 00:57:00
Have a good day. 00:57:02
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We are starting our Development Review committee in August 1st, 2024. The time right is 9:10 AM. 00:00:00
So let's start off with uh. 00:00:11
Roll call. Umm. 00:00:13
So currently on the. 00:00:15
On the board, we currently have those start from, uh, Chris. 00:00:17
Johnson first. 00:00:21
Uh, Chris Johnson, building official. 00:00:24
Brandon Valley Fire Prevention. 00:00:29
Cash fancy selling from Morgan and Community Development and their other works directors things here. 00:00:32
Eric Ellis, city manager. 00:00:37
And then we have uh, Mr. uh. 00:00:40
Preston Johnson selling in for our Parks and Rec director record. 00:00:43
I'm back. 00:00:48
On there and then of course we have our and then we have our uh. 00:00:49
Uh, others on the thing. So this is our consent item. Uh, so, uh. 00:00:54
The first consent item. UH 2.1 approval of the February 1, 2024 Development Review Committee draft minutes. 00:00:58
Uh, so is there any? 00:01:05
Anything that that needs to be brought up to everyone's attachment. 00:01:08
I thought they looked good and I can motion to approve them. All right, that we got first, uh, in regards to approval on the 00:01:13
minutes. Do you have a second? 00:01:16
2nd. 00:01:21
OK, so the minutes have been approved and all in favor? All in favor, aye. All right. 00:01:22
Alright, you're very welcome. 00:01:28
So the methods have been approved. Uh, so that was all the consent items, uh, on there. So we have UH-2 work sessions, uh. 00:01:30
Uh 3.1 and 3.2 work session 3.1. 00:01:36
Detox 30 block. 00:01:40
18C. 00:01:43
13B and umm. 00:01:44
We would like to have a brief discussion in regards to 13 C uh. 00:01:46
Uh, background. I can, I can look it over. Yeah. Alright, so cash back. We do have Rachel Stevens online, one of our planners, she 00:01:51
did the review on 13 C. 00:01:54
Umm, and she had some great problems. We didn't tell the Block was quite ready, umm for a complete review by the DRC committee. 00:01:59
Umm, Rachel, do you have? 00:02:07
Uh, a minute that you wanna just kind of explain what, what documents that, that you're still looking for on that application. 00:02:10
Umm yes, so. 00:02:16
We needed to see others go over to movement upstream, please. 00:02:19
We needed to see a breakdown of the total number of views and bedrooms to verify a parking requirement. 00:02:24
And we needed to see. 00:02:31
And then? 00:02:35
Same thing for breakfast and. 00:02:37
The Courtyard. 00:02:40
Inside the building it was .08 acres. 00:02:43
And then the code it says it needs to be at least .1 acres to count as an amenity. 00:02:46
There may still be enough money, but I need to see the distances to communities in the Lake Common. 00:02:52
And and then there's some issues with transparency requirements. 00:03:00
So on the North and South elevations and there's just been 30% transparency with all the class. 00:03:05
Windows and doors and I didn't see at least 35%. 00:03:14
And then the landscaping plan I wanted to see. 00:03:19
More than just a 50%. 00:03:23
Mm-hmm. 00:03:26
Designed for trying to look forward to. 00:03:27
And and you've sent those promises, right? 00:03:31
Yeah, OK. 00:03:34
Bronson, did you have any questions about any of those items? 00:03:36
Do you wanna just? 00:03:40
You you can look at the mic. 00:03:43
It was all around 13 I believe. 13 BCE, 13 C, the one without the bridge, 13 OK. 00:03:45
Umm. 00:03:53
OK, so we, we have, we have all that information. I'll just make sure I get it to you. We've got the bedroom breakdown. Umm, I 00:03:55
think we've got. 00:03:58
O on OPJ's on. 00:04:03
Doesn't look like Nelson. 00:04:07
Is on. 00:04:08
They're Nelson Partners is our architect on 13. 00:04:10
Uh, sorry, 13 C. 00:04:14
Umm, and then. 00:04:16
By currently we've got those planned in. We just need to share that information with you and and Rachel, you're just going to be 00:04:18
like the total count right of bike rack. 00:04:22
She might have anything going OK, we we can get that count as well. Umm, and then. 00:04:32
The courtyard size and dimension. 00:04:37
We can take a look at that. 00:04:40
I'm guessing at this point. 00:04:42
It would be really hard to like make that figure, but. 00:04:43
Like from an amenity standpoint, I don't know that we need to count the courtyard. 00:04:47
As one of our amenities. 00:04:52
Umm, because I think we're. 00:04:54
We're including a lot of amenities like. 00:04:56
I think there's like 3 within. 00:04:59
Like an eighth of a mile. 00:05:02
And for within 1/4 so some something like that. 00:05:04
And I know we we need that in other ways. And so we may not have to count the quarter. So if if we're short on the dimension. 00:05:08
The dimensional size of the courtyard I think we could be OK, but. 00:05:16
We can provide that information to Rachel to show which amenities. 00:05:19
We would, we would count. 00:05:24
To to fulfill that requirement and then. 00:05:26
The transparency requirements, Rachel, I don't know if you have. 00:05:29
You have like a. 00:05:33
Umm, how you measure that? Or like some kind of exhibit where you. 00:05:35
You did a take off on the transparency because that might be helpful to see. 00:05:40
How you're looking at it? 00:05:44
OK. Yeah, I can share that with you. 00:05:47
OK. 00:05:50
I I use with the medium. 00:05:51
To measure all those needs to get dimensions. 00:05:57
OK. 00:06:00
Yeah, that, that would be helpful because there might, there might be stuff that we're we're considering as as transparent. 00:06:01
Having the transparency that that maybe you're not counting your. 00:06:08
Something because I think in BJ you can speak up on this too, but. 00:06:12
I think we had that one was. 00:06:16
The only one that was surprising of like, oh, we thought we were well over but. 00:06:18
We can look at that and then. 00:06:24
On the landscaping plans, this is probably more for. 00:06:25
For us to understand at this stage of design, so. 00:06:29
We're bringing in. 00:06:32
We're coming in for site plan early in the stage of architecture, so that if there are some major things that we need to look at 00:06:34
like. 00:06:37
This courtyard one would be a pretty major change to architecture, and that's why we like to come in early. 00:06:42
And also like. 00:06:47
Uh, health safety, like fire related things that we try to get in front of Chris and, and Brandon early. 00:06:49
So that we can catch any of this stuff. 00:06:56
Really early on, before we're too far into architecture. 00:06:58
So we we do. We are coming in pretty early and because of that. 00:07:01
Our landscape plans aren't fully developed like we know. 00:07:05
What areas will be landscaped? 00:07:09
But we don't necessarily haven't put like planting detail or irrigation details together yet. 00:07:11
And that's something like as we move forward, we, if there's another, if we can do like a deferred submittal or like a condition 00:07:17
of approval on site plans for when we do finish the landscape plan. 00:07:22
We bring those back in. 00:07:28
With species and every and counts and everything so that you can do your review. 00:07:30
If that just helps us to. 00:07:35
Be able to make you know or have some certainty on moving forward on architecture. Is that something that you'd want to submit 00:07:37
like prior, like with the building permit and then we review it at that stage? Yeah, that timing works for you guys. That would 00:07:42
work for us. 00:07:46
I think you wanna see it earlier. Oh gosh. I think for us, uh, uh, here for 10. 00:07:51
Uh, some areas like the square footage of areas that could be. 00:07:58
That would be last year, but also loan providers and loan. 00:08:01
Your information is a type of, I might want to type the landscape and like versus like, uh, grass, grass areas, red green areas 00:08:04
versus, uh, planner areas and so forth. I think that because that was what I'll do is provide us a good, umm, kind of indication 00:08:09
in terms of like, umm. 00:08:14
Water needs for for as an example, say OK. 00:08:19
Because I mean, we, we understand that there's gonna be some variances. 00:08:22
Umm, the biggest also, the other thing is, uh, are some of our concerns. Al always comes out to a pack of licenses and deviation. 00:08:25
If you're expecting a deviation from like our current uh. 00:08:31
300 on that, then earlier like you're on species, on species and stuff, especially when it comes to trees and so forth because I 00:08:37
mean the earlier we can get on that because that goes through the whole different. I mean it would be a tough process as well. 00:08:43
Yeah. So maybe what I can do is just send you guys what like. 00:08:49
This is what I would expect to send in as a pipeline review and it would like have the areas of landscaping, what's grass, what's 00:08:55
not grass. 00:08:59
What's hardscape? What? 00:09:03
Landscape, I think that would, I think like tentative list of here's the plant material we anticipate we'll use. And then if we 00:09:05
deviate from that in the actual financing plan, we could just flag this is a new plant that you didn't see or or something like 00:09:11
what we can do is if you're trying to get ahead of the game on terms of the umm with umm, with the architectural, uh, and then, 00:09:16
uh, like our example, like starting in. 00:09:22
No, it's just it's difficult to use. 00:09:28
I think posture, posture everyone to allow. 00:09:30
Well, the officials in the middle for landscaping at the growing permit stage just to kind of go through a little bit smoother. 00:09:33
Yeah, that's fine. That's right. We could do like the land of service permit stage, Yeah, when we come in for the land of service 00:09:37
prior to. 00:09:42
I mean, I understand. So this way you get, uh, you get, you get some feedback early on if it has to go through like the treat 00:09:46
committee specifically As for example, we can get that on the schedule. So. 00:09:52
Uh, and then when you know for building permit. 00:09:57
Any kind of small variance, uh, deviations like I'm playing purple flowers does it. 00:10:00
Green, uh, blue flower, there we go. That those are, those are minor things versus. 00:10:05
And I'm, I'm, I'm planning on putting off some, uh, mangroves in there instead of OK. 00:10:10
You have to pass it to the Rep deviation. I would like to see angles here though. 00:10:15
Not really. And I, I can talk to, they just wouldn't, it wouldn't grow. I, I can talk to Morgan about, uh, seeing if he'd be OK 00:10:19
doing the condition of approval at Planning Commission. That might be something off the Planning Commission would want to see. And 00:10:25
if, if you could provide at least like that list of, you know, here's the typical planting. 00:10:31
Umm, but they they might want to see a more detailed landscape plan that shows where whatever trees are being planted. 00:10:37
But we, we can work through that on, on each one of these because I think that's gonna be a comment probably from every single one 00:10:45
of these applications is, is we just don't have those details, you know? 00:10:49
Rachel, is there any, uh. 00:10:56
Can I, can I wait to ask you a question on that? Are you? 00:10:59
PJ with Utah City as well. Umm. 00:11:03
And what makes sense to? 00:11:05
For Bronson and I to put together kind of a standard Utah City landscape outlet. 00:11:09
Umm that you guys we could present to you guys. 00:11:14
Unlike these situations that you guys are proven and we would say as we're designing these buildings, here's the palette we're 00:11:17
always choosing from. Here's our our typical menu. 00:11:23
To just demonstrate our our standard of care fellow project. 00:11:28
And, and so, umm, because it's only just a little bit, we may, you know, use a little bit more of plan A versus Plan B. And then, 00:11:33
you know, but at this stage we could say, here's our, we wanna demonstrate to you all, you know, the, the quality that we're gonna 00:11:40
deliver. But we just don't know how many of these plans we're gonna use yet. Or exactly if there's a spot A or spot B would, would 00:11:46
that be something that could work as well? 00:11:53
Umm, I'm I'm in favor of seeing something like that. And that's something we could have George, our city, our risk also kind of 00:12:00
examine, make sure that. 00:12:04
That those items would would do well within the city. 00:12:08
Do you have any comments on that, Nathan? No. 00:12:11
I'm sorry, I know that'd be great. Uh, that definitely is that. If you put something like that together, we'll, uh. 00:12:14
We can, uh. 00:12:19
Georgetown are they are with, uh, would, uh, take the lead, uh, in terms of uh, trying to go through that and then if it needs to 00:12:21
go through the UH3D2 committee. 00:12:26
And then we can get, we can get give us early on and bring in our feedback so we can be required. 00:12:30
Great. Yeah, I think we've got. 00:12:36
We have 5 different planting lists of things that have already been submitted. 00:12:38
Through site plan approval. So we've got like a pretty stout. 00:12:43
Plankton fell out already. 00:12:47
When you just compile that all into one list and that'd be great. 00:12:49
Goodbye to you. 00:12:53
I'd like to make a comment so I can put that, uh, plants and talent together. I want you to umm. 00:12:55
Make sure you're referring to the Vineyard treatment to make sure you have you're all on the same page. We'll make the review 00:13:00
easier. 00:13:04
OK. OK. Rachel, were there any other comments from from your block before we move on? 00:13:09
Uh, no, over the Northeast neighborhood, everything is maintained, right? And, and remind me, was there an issue with the planning 00:13:16
on that lot? 00:13:20
No. OK, great. 00:13:27
And that, if I could ask one question of Rachel, uh, before we move on as well on the transparency, I think the, the zoning is 00:13:30
clear on kind of how we measure that. 00:13:35
Being able to take into account the frames and things like that. But I think that's clear. The question I have is the zoning rate 00:13:41
that is transparency facing the street. So for example, on 13 C, uh, the north side of the building, uh, faces the Paseo. 00:13:49
Are you, are you viewing with the Jo at the street? 00:13:57
We, we and the architects are not viewing that as a public St. 00:14:03
So I just wanna make sure we're not just having different opinions of that, that we addressed it appropriately. 00:14:08
OK, umm, I I'll do a detailed one with a code and then make it up to you on that one. Absolutely. 00:14:15
At the end of the day, I'm not trying to challenge you on it. I'm just trying to make sure we're all speaking the same language. 00:14:22
Yeah. And if if you guys wanted to on that, that transparency requirement, if if you guys when you talk that you wanted to. 00:14:28
Show us your measurement and say this is how we got the 35%. We can compare that with how we did it as well. 00:14:34
Umm, that might be beneficial. I I think you can do those measurements pretty quick. 00:14:39
Yeah, umm, But yeah, as far as my two blocks, if we're ready to move on to that, when, uh. 00:14:44
OK, I have some comments about transparency as well. I, I did not count anything that was not street based and so you know all 00:14:50
these interior. 00:14:54
Elevations. None of those were were measured for transparency. It was just the the one facing the street. 00:14:58
That that were measured. 00:15:04
I think that's something too we could include is like a form. 00:15:05
My plan, uh, I think we'll probably start including an exhibit that just. 00:15:09
Demonstrate the percentage of transparency when we submit to. 00:15:14
Kind of avoid this uh, comment in the future. That'd be great. Exactly what I was gonna say yeah we can add that as just the 00:15:18
middle and. 00:15:23
You know, show our calculation on how we got there. 00:15:27
OK. Are we gonna move on to the next one, Chair? 00:15:31
Uh, and does anyone have on, Does anyone have any, uh, comments for consultancy? 00:15:34
The building has no comment. 00:15:41
Fine. 00:15:43
Umm, just, uh, wasn't able to find the on the site plan like, uh. 00:15:45
The full scope of like the blocks with the utility plan for the hydrant location. 00:15:50
On most blocks, umm just with the massive square footage that's being built, it's on average gonna be 8 hydrants. That means 00:15:56
within 1000 square feet and. 00:16:01
You can kinda show me like with the 200. 00:16:05
200 foot average spacing, umm around there and then there may be some additional requirements, umm. 00:16:09
Uh, for like 150 foot rule around building that kind of thing, but. 00:16:17
Yeah, in in this presentation that we'll get to. 00:16:23
We I've got each of the fire access plans in there. Awesome, except for the grocery store, because the grocery stores. 00:16:27
Is open all the way around, so I didn't do. 00:16:34
We can do a plan for that one. 00:16:37
OK. So we'll have, you know the street hydrant. We know we've got a street hydrant, but we'll look at Block 4 independently. But 00:16:39
on all of these ones that are in the same area, all of them are looked at all on one map. OK, OK, thank you. 00:16:45
OK, alright. 00:16:53
Uh, I think you probably end up having other problems. Uh, no, I'm certain. OK, alright. 00:16:55
Ericsson All right, Preston All right. And then, uh. 00:17:00
Patrick, sorry, I was gonna call you soon. 00:17:04
Umm, I don't think we really have comments on 13B. 00:17:08
I'm in no way so can see we're talking for Charlie right now. Yeah, we don't have any comments. 00:17:12
Yeah, but we haven't taken it for a technical review yet. Alright, I'll show. I'm sure we're always.com. Maybe one thing I'll just 00:17:17
point out on SO associated with 13. 00:17:22
C is the the. 00:17:27
Save 2C right away plans and there is a change. 00:17:29
Uh, in that plan set, so you see we're second goes to an angle. 00:17:34
Over to Dover. 00:17:40
That has now been updated course. Yeah, yeah, I've been reviewing those. 00:17:41
OK. 00:17:47
Yeah. So that is one change. I just wanted to point out that we're looking at this map because we do have an updated civil 00:17:48
package. 00:17:52
And then for. 00:17:56
I guess we don't need to talk about this now, but there is now. 00:17:58
Another right of way package for this street to the north. 00:18:00
They get us up to 12 more. 00:18:04
Yeah, I was gonna mention that with the other blocks. 00:18:07
Umm, that that needs to be included in the plan disturbance permit. 00:18:09
But whether that's with the building, since you have the building. 00:18:14
I need to go or separate umm. 00:18:18
We can do another one, OK. 00:18:22
There is a a final. 00:18:24
The middle that I just think I just need to pay the fee on. 00:18:27
For that area so. 00:18:30
The comment that's coming up of we don't have a plat for AT&T either. 00:18:32
13B18C dot area. 00:18:37
That plan is now coming forward and. 00:18:41
Those right away plan. 00:18:44
Are associated with that so. 00:18:46
We have a a final plat application that. 00:18:48
Is pending payment and then if you want to send in the line of service permit for the street project for the right away project, 00:18:52
we can. 00:18:55
Do that, Sir. I think Corey was looking on that, but maybe yeah, I think internally we were talking about the kind of separating 00:18:59
the land and service permits of the right ways from the blocks is uh. 00:19:04
Operational income better, but that's, uh, that could be an offline discussion that we have check with uh yourself, myself, Corey. 00:19:09
And Patrick, yeah, I and I agree too, because it's gonna be their RDA are associated with RDA and that's it makes. 00:19:16
Sense to make a clean break. 00:19:23
On our application, Roger. 00:19:25
Alright, uh, so Patrick, anything else, Sir? 00:19:29
Uh, no. OK on that one. Alright, sweet. So I guess I'll move on to the next work session. All right. 00:19:31
I mean, that's probably the same what works out for my Internet. We just wanted to quickly talk about virtuous umm with with 00:19:37
Rachel on the call. 00:19:41
Umm, the one These these are all comments I've shared with Ron, and we've talked about some of them already. 00:19:44
Umm. But one that I I did want to focus on is just a scope of work. If we could do a scope of work, it could even be the the same 00:19:49
scope of work for each one of these projects. 00:19:53
And then breakdown, Yeah, yeah, yeah. We just especially with, with some of these amenities places, we're not exactly sure what 00:19:57
the uses is. It's a public amenity faces with the private, you know. 00:20:02
HOA or whatever you wanna call it, a managed amenity space. 00:20:08
Umm, it helps with our parking calculations as well. 00:20:12
Umm, and same thing like the the bike rack or the bike room, you have one that's like bike storage and the new one's a bike shop. 00:20:16
Yeah. And, and I don't know if there's like storage in there as well. Just just give us an idea of. 00:20:23
Of, you know, how these these buildings are gonna be operated And yeah, just a good narrative. 00:20:30
Umm. 00:20:36
I will update or I'll review the parking uh. 00:20:39
Uh, exhibit that you sent in and compare that to to where we we need to be. 00:20:41
Umm, transparency. Did you have any comments on that, on how we measured those? 00:20:46
No, we do have the architect Ron and Brian with Portugal for these two blocks. OK, so. 00:20:51
Ron and Brian, if you've got questions on that, on the transparency, we haven't already covered some of those. 00:20:58
I have some questions. 00:21:04
You guys can speak up and we like what what was said about 13 feet, we'll submit our, uh, an exhibit showing what our intention 00:21:06
is. 00:21:10
OK, let me if I can find this. 00:21:15
I can show you. 00:21:19
We, we didn't do on, on these measurements. We were just measuring and if it was. 00:21:21
Like over 35% or like no worries if it you know with 33% then we did take our time more like carefully on that measuring. 00:21:25
Umm. 00:21:33
I think. 00:21:36
That doesn't matter. 00:21:38
Umm. 00:21:39
Transparency. We talked about bike details already. 00:21:41
And landscaping, umm. 00:21:44
Yeah, same thing. And and maybe in that narrative you can include the the breakdown of. 00:21:46
Hardscape to landscaping. 00:21:50
Umm, and same thing with these courtyards, how they're gonna be activated or what? What amenities are gonna be provided there? I 00:21:52
do know one of the plans here showed. 00:21:56
Umm, show that information. 00:22:01
Umm, these temporary parking lots. So I I do know our code has some, uh. 00:22:04
Umm, language in there about, you know, providing some sort of temporary landscaping. 00:22:10
Umm, we just wanna see what what that's going to look like. Umm. 00:22:14
And, and you're well aware of the code after I think 7 years, it's still, you know, operating the temporary parking lot and it has 00:22:18
to be upgraded. Yeah. Umm. 00:22:23
From the same thing, uh, a photometric plan. We just wanna see that these parking lots are lit up. Umm. 00:22:29
Just for for safety. 00:22:34
That's that that photometric plan is kind of the more it's a landscape usually. 00:22:40
The electrical engineer isn't. 00:22:45
Super involved at this stage, they were preliminarily involved, but. 00:22:47
I think the the photometric plan on these part, if that's what you're looking at is like parking lot lighting. I think that's 00:22:52
something we can add. Yeah, that'd be great. Even if you just show that it's there and then you know, if the Planning Commission, 00:22:58
some people will do it condition that a more detailed plan will be submitted with building. 00:23:03
That that's fine by me, as long as we have the chance to review that. 00:23:09
Because I guess so from the city's perspective is that does that go to building and help safety welfare check that you guys are 00:23:12
doing on parking lot for for lighting? 00:23:17
Or is it more of like a? 00:23:23
From the planning department view on the site plan you wanted to see. 00:23:25
A certain foot candle that we're hitting or. 00:23:29
I guess where where is the? 00:23:32
From the city's perspective, where is that like the critical approval point? 00:23:36
Is it? Is it from a? 00:23:40
Safety of people parking and being able to safely walk to the building and having it lit. Or is it? 00:23:42
Like, uh. 00:23:47
From a planning side, is it like an aesthetic that we're trying to hit? 00:23:49
Just so we know where like where is it best to make sure we hit we get the photometric into you guys for for review. 00:23:53
I would think it would be before it came to building. Yeah, in in our totally review. Just make sure that it's down lit. 00:24:01
We make sure that the the pole height is the right, you know, height. Make sure that the the light isn't, I mean, this doesn't 00:24:09
necessarily affect your project is it does others, but make sure it's not like spilling over on neighboring properties. OK, So 00:24:15
that that is generally why we asked for that photometric for Planning Commission so that we can review that. 00:24:21
Umm, as part of kind of complete package. So even if you could provide us, I know you've installed some authority. 00:24:27
Umm, over there. And for the other blocks, if you could provide, yeah, if you could provide us like the details of of the type of 00:24:33
light that you're gonna use. 00:24:36
The typical pool height and that that kind of information, umm, we can then use that for Planning Commission, OK. 00:24:40
That one, those are all on five and six, they're all temporary lights that will come out one of the new building comes in sure 00:24:47
online, but. 00:24:51
I would think we still need to hit whatever the city's requirements are. 00:24:55
I'm not even in the temporary condition. 00:25:00
A little bit different than landscaping, Umm. 00:25:02
Because the land, the landscaping. 00:25:06
You know is. 00:25:08
Does provide shade on the parking lot, but it's not necessarily a. 00:25:10
Right, right. As much as the lighting is so. 00:25:16
I I think that that's the I sent broad for my comments so. 00:25:21
I mean two blocks. Umm, oh, I guess if we want to, uh, we, we could bring up the bridge right now. I have a question about, uh, 00:25:26
this will pass by the wire. 00:25:30
Just speak fast enough. 00:25:36
Uh, when it's a temporary device, are we talking, uh, are the temporary lights are being different than what the, like the, uh, in 00:25:37
terms of style and height and so forth? And what, uh, from whatever, I'm gonna do that. 00:25:43
They're more like a shoe box type light. 00:25:50
They're they're taller than our street lights. 00:25:53
OK. Is that something that would have to go for invariants? 00:25:56
As long as it's under 20 feet, then we're OK. I mean, especially I'm talking about the, the, the type you use. I have the files 00:25:59
and so forth. I, I have to look through our phone. I don't think the code is very specific, uh, with. 00:26:05
Like a temporary light structure, Especially since this is just a temporary lock. Do I think it's the code is more specific 00:26:11
towards the permanent installation? OK so I know when we did the ETA uh translation, we provide a variance for a certain time 00:26:15
frame. 00:26:19
But I think they're light bulbs are a lot different than. 00:26:24
All right, I will pull. 00:26:27
There's a I appreciate there. 00:26:30
Uh, the way that they do it, I find the way I work on it too. 00:26:32
But, uh, but I just wanna make sure because I know we did have, uh, we did the conditions on that with, with certain time notes 00:26:35
and so forth. And it might be something that we would have to consider for this one, but we did have that discussion generally 00:26:38
offline, yeah. And come back. 00:26:42
Yeah, thanks. 00:26:47
Yeah, that sounds good. I think we would probably. 00:26:48
We we'll submit what we did for 5:00 and 6:00. 00:26:52
And if that works for you, once they're they're nice looking light, they're LED lights. 00:26:55
It's like a thin profile. 00:27:00
The black. 00:27:02
Umm, so they look, they look good. They look like they're permanent lights. But when we build a building, we'll pop those out and 00:27:04
we'll move them. 00:27:07
To a different location where we need them. 00:27:11
OK, umm, if if we want to to dive into this, I think this might be probably the the biggest issue with these two watts is that 00:27:15
pedestrian bridge. 00:27:19
Umm, did you have any update from? We have that conversation with Jamie about looking at the code to to see. 00:27:23
You know, is this a permitted type? Use. 00:27:30
And we also talked about building the UMM. 00:27:32
Entrance type. The arcade entrance type, Yeah. 00:27:36
Yeah, maybe let's just pull that up just so we have a picture. 00:27:40
In everybody's mind of power. 00:27:43
Of what we're talking about. Like this work right here. 00:27:46
Or do you want to see this? 00:27:49
No, I think that's that's good. If there's do you have like a? 00:27:51
Flat elevation, yeah, I might. So what you're kind of seeing is. 00:27:55
Down on the street level, if we're looking at the first story, we've got. 00:27:59
Uh, Dover Street is, is the street that goes between the buildings and then a third. 00:28:02
Is the street out out in front that parallels the building so as you take over? 00:28:07
As you go between the buildings on Dover, we are taking the building facade and we're. 00:28:13
Umm, doing this arcade entrance. 00:28:18
That's in the code and we're. 00:28:21
We're essentially. 00:28:23
Putting a canopy over the sidewalk. 00:28:25
So, and then as you go a little bit further back, you can kind of see the bridge section. There's a bridge that connects the two 00:28:27
buildings. 00:28:31
And those areas up there on the top are amenity spaces. There's kind of a. 00:28:35
Club room, lounge space. 00:28:41
Umm, on on both sides, one of them larger than the other. 00:28:43
But so this is This shows the arcade really well, so. 00:28:47
The building space, umm. 00:28:51
Not the arcade, but. 00:28:54
On the on the left side the sidewalk, so the right away it hits right there. 00:28:55
The sidewalk the the right of way public sidewalk goes underneath the building. 00:29:00
And then these columns are coming down. 00:29:06
Near the back of term. 00:29:09
And so this is a pretty unique situation where we've got. 00:29:11
We're extending some private improvements out of it right away. 00:29:14
But then in addition to that is we're having occupancy. 00:29:18
Up above the sidewalk. So those are those are units up above and then. 00:29:23
An amenity space up, up above that. 00:29:27
So we've been, uh, talking to Jamie and Morgan and Cash about how exactly we, we thought this. 00:29:31
This scenario, so there's a couple of. 00:29:37
Options that we've talked about, umm, so really there's kind of two issues. 00:29:40
There's the the skybridge that actually does go across. 00:29:45
The street, you're seeing just a little segment of it there. 00:29:48
And then the second is. 00:29:52
We're proposing occupancy. 00:29:54
Above a proposed public right away so. 00:29:56
Some of the the things that we're considering is. 00:30:00
Is placing an easement. 00:30:03
Across that section, I think the the length of it longed over. 00:30:05
Is about 65 feet. 00:30:09
And so we're looking at possibly doing, can we accommodate? 00:30:12
That kind of use in a in an easement. 00:30:15
Uh, another option would be to take the right of way and kind of knock it out around the building. 00:30:19
Where we're proposing occupancy up above so. 00:30:25
That right away line instead of going along back the sidewalk. 00:30:28
As it normally does. 00:30:32
It would come around the building. 00:30:33
So that piece of land would be private still, and the public right away would go around it. 00:30:35
Umm. 00:30:41
And then I guess the third option is like a combination of those. 00:30:44
Uh, or or keeping that section of 65 feet. 00:30:47
Of Dover. 00:30:51
Completely private. 00:30:52
Umm and then once we passed that, then it would go public again. 00:30:54
So the the plan that that you're working on right now, does that address this? 00:31:01
No, I looked at it again and it doesn't have that in there, so I was gonna contact uh. 00:31:06
Umm, Northern and just say what's? 00:31:11
Start with an easement. 00:31:13
Let's place an easement across the. 00:31:14
The street at 65 feet in length and. 00:31:16
And that would be like our. So I'll I'll get in there and update that file once I get that from. 00:31:21
From Northern. 00:31:26
But those are kind of the options that we're looking at with with Jamie, the city attorney. 00:31:28
And umm, on our side. Umm. 00:31:32
We're we're taking a look at like different precedences around the state, like the the one that came to mind was on Main Street 00:31:36
and Salt Lake. 00:31:39
They've got that skybridge. It's a little bit different scenario it. 00:31:43
Would apply probably to our bridge, but. 00:31:47
What we have that's different than that is we actually have occupancy. 00:31:50
Popping out into the right away. 00:31:54
Yeah, alright. Brian too. Brian's been looking at some precedents. I don't know, Brian, if you're ready to share any? 00:31:58
Examples that you're able to find but. 00:32:04
Over, uh, not yet, but I think you explained it really well The the the the issue. 00:32:07
Correct. Yeah. And I know that there are, you know, you have a lot of gears on the motion on different fronts and, uh. 00:32:14
Different levels, but I think. 00:32:21
Uh, working on this and again, I'm not gonna, I wanna speak for uh. 00:32:22
Uh, what kind of you got with them, with Jamie and finance and so forth? 00:32:26
I think when it comes to like umm, the infrastructure, utilities and so forth to make it easier for everyone without like 00:32:31
depending on, regardless of what the outcome is, uh, making sure that there's any type critical infrastructure is, uh. 00:32:37
Uh, umm. 00:32:44
Access points and so forth are separate. Outside, those remain private. 00:32:45
We've got public or even, or even with the public, uh, or if it's public and so forth, we, we start having less in terms of top 00:32:51
conflicts because that's when we're looking at, OK, what are the kind of conference, uh. 00:32:57
The weather scenario is like, OK, what if in 50 years we have to do some something? 00:33:03
How can we? How can we possibly go? 00:33:08
So maybe like an example of like making sure? 00:33:10
Sewer manholes are outside of that area. Yeah, water valves are out of that area. 00:33:13
When you talk to engineers, probably worse, you can go into like. 00:33:19
What if, umm, crazy scenarios? 00:33:23
Uh, I don't want to say crazy, but all the weather scenarios. 00:33:26
And so forth and. 00:33:29
I think if you just, uh, posture yourself forward. 00:33:30
Uh, uh, to address those things early on then. 00:33:32
Moving forward, uh, an extra assigned and makes things a lot easier regardless of the outcome is. 00:33:35
Uh, working with, uh, working with, uh, generative planning, OK. 00:33:42
That's no absolutely good point. Ted with McNeil is on 30 River civil engineering part so. 00:33:46
Hopefully Ted heard all that and we can make sure we look at that. 00:33:53
And again, uh, we're, we're building. 00:33:57
I'll, I'll go ahead and speak for Patrick because Patrick will the meetings. 00:33:59
But we're always open to have a specific, uh, independent meeting. 00:34:02
Uh, this guy I have. 00:34:05
Just to verbally talk something down. 00:34:07
The the other thing I did want to ask is I, I know in that meeting with Jamie, we asked you if if. 00:34:09
You knew of in the code if it allows for this kind of cyber to use, we're able to find anything. The only thing that really we 00:34:15
found is is just that that market type that that the code points out and. 00:34:21
You know, it doesn't really go into depth of because that image shows occupancy. It looks like it's occupancy up above. 00:34:28
The Arcade. 00:34:35
But. 00:34:37
All all it is is just the picture. There's no text that supports it so. 00:34:38
That that, that might be something that that we also, I've just been really busy on our end too, that we we haven't really been 00:34:42
able to examine the code. 00:34:46
Umm, but that might pose a potential issue. 00:34:49
Umm, if if that might require a text amendment to to allow for these, you know, type of sky bridges. 00:34:53
Umm, it just might push this down, you know, getting it on to the Planning Commission. But we'll, we'll let you know as soon as we 00:34:59
kind of determine on our end what our analysis says. 00:35:04
OK. 00:35:09
Yeah, sounds good. 00:35:10
For that for this current one. 00:35:12
Uh, was that was that was after this ticket? 00:35:14
Umm yeah, umm. 00:35:17
I I think so. OK, that's fine. That's my comment alright. Anyone else has comments? Patrick, Sir? 00:35:19
Uh, no, I don't have any other comments. OK, Anthony. 00:35:26
OK. And then we'll we'll work with pressing this time around. 00:35:30
Uh, Eric, Sir? 00:35:34
No, no, I'm good. Cash is good. 00:35:35
Nothing good, no comment. Alright space. So let's move on to the next item of this framework. Session item. 00:35:39
Umm, grocery store block. That'll be Anthony. 00:35:49
So are you on the call by chance, Anthony? Uh, please call. 00:35:52
If you want to join that way, you can share your screen and. 00:35:57
OK, alright. While I preparing that I will say we're moving on to 3.2 Utah City block #4. 00:36:01
Fellows Market. 00:36:08
Right plan. 00:36:10
And Anthony, uh, is going to take a read on this. 00:36:12
Come in. 00:36:20
OK, so umm. 00:36:30
A lot of our comments are pretty similar. Uh, I I feel I didn't have a very complete application for. 00:36:33
Umm, Novellus market. I you know, I'll start with. 00:36:40
Title report and tax clearance, it's a requirement to have it uploaded. We don't have that. 00:36:45
So I wanna make sure at least we have a claim title that. 00:36:50
Shows that, you know, owe any taxes, uh. 00:36:54
To proceed, we also want to remind you that the landscape plan was not complete. 00:36:56
I'd like to probably show something right here. 00:37:01
Umm Oh yeah, are you? 00:37:04
Umm, share screen right here. 00:37:17
So going on the landscape plan, it's. 00:37:30
You know, very general. 00:37:33
Looks like a very generalized 1. Not enough detail. 00:37:35
Umm, this site plan, I mean this, uh, landscape plan has. 00:37:39
Sure, I'm sure. 00:37:43
It's kind of nice. 00:37:49
Can you hear us? Can you hear us online, please? 00:38:03
I think you gotta mute the mute. 00:38:09
Let me see this right now. 00:38:14
Umm, sugar. 00:38:21
The computer, I don't know where that is coming from. Hold on. 00:38:23
Yeah, there you go. Lot better. 00:38:26
Is that better? 00:38:29
Yeah, OK. 00:38:31
Thank you. 00:38:33
That's, that's OK. So, umm, I, I see that you have, you know, a couple of times here that, uh, listed, but it would be nice to 00:38:36
make sure that all these plans are really. 00:38:40
Something that's within our, uh, vignette tree manual. 00:38:45
We had a few in there that were umm. 00:38:48
Not so that's why I'm drawing attention to that. And also this whole, uh, landscape plan shows, uh. 00:38:50
Umm, landscaping for the, uh, whole block built out. 00:38:58
It'll be nice to. 00:39:02
Umm, really? Let us know for this application what what is going to be here in these spots, Because I know if we appreciate you 00:39:04
letting us know that you're gonna have these buildings here. 00:39:09
We don't know what that is gonna be, but we've had conversations before where. 00:39:15
Umm, you know you've mentioned that. 00:39:20
I mean, your team has mentioned that you haven't parked in here. 00:39:22
So it would be nice to also. 00:39:26
Umm, meet the landscaping requirements for, you know. 00:39:28
So yeah, I know on Friday I was talking with Pete at our, uh, weekly meeting prior to him, umm, but he just mentioned, because I 00:39:33
think you might have said that that was gonna be temporary parking. So they said that was not the plan. 00:39:39
So we just wanna know, you know, north of the grocery store. 00:39:46
And and West, you know that other section of building. 00:39:49
Yeah, if, if that isn't can be built out, what? What is the final? You know what? 00:39:54
Didn't didn't we also discuss potentially just? 00:40:00
Having that. 00:40:03
Whole area grayed out and not. If we're gonna treat it as a separate location then. 00:40:04
Treat it separate. Don't don't have anything there. If that's not if nothing is going to be done at this point. 00:40:09
Yes, we did talk about that last time. However I want to. 00:40:15
Add on to that, uh, that comment that if, if we're gonna have that grayed out, we wanna have this subdivided because. 00:40:19
Umm, we will treat this whole block as a as a complete lot. 00:40:26
Which should meet all our requirements. So if it's going to be grayed out, you have to have this thermal subdivided. 00:40:32
To meet all the requirements. 00:40:38
If you don't subdivide this, you'll be subject to all the requirements for landscaping then that area, whether you choose to make 00:40:39
it, uh, parking or. 00:40:43
Pickleball courts. Whatever you decide to do, you will be subject to all the requirements for landscaping. 00:40:47
So, umm, it'll be a good thing for you to subdivide this. 00:40:53
To reduce the requirements on that one as well. So umm, I think that we have started the process on subdividing that. So 00:40:57
independent of what you were just saying. 00:41:02
From like a. 00:41:07
A development side we're we're usually each building is gonna have its own entity that's gonna be building that building. 00:41:08
And so we started the process of subdividing. 00:41:16
Separating the actually the grocery store from the residential route. 00:41:19
That will probably be the next phase that we bring in so. 00:41:23
We're working on that. 00:41:26
On that subdivision. 00:41:28
And we'll get that in as quick as we can, but that is that's the plan. 00:41:30
So we could if you go to the civil sheet. 00:41:34
The civil sheet is. 00:41:37
Probably a better representation of what's getting built right now. 00:41:39
Umm. 00:41:44
If you flip over to that. 00:41:46
Google Flight, there's a sheet in there. 00:41:49
They would be quick to pull up. 00:41:52
Go down. 00:41:56
This one here. 00:41:57
So this one just shows the parking lot out front shows the block of the grocery store, but the residential raft is. 00:42:02
Is kind of part of that building. 00:42:09
We can show that delineation and then. 00:42:11
Those lines up above or just outlines of what those what those future buildings are, but. 00:42:14
We can we'll we'll come in with a new final plat with some devices block. 00:42:20
But just for reference of what's being built now is that parking lot that. 00:42:24
Surface parking lot out front. 00:42:30
And then just the grocery store block and then there's. 00:42:32
A potato that connects the parking. 00:42:35
Over to. 00:42:37
Umm, 4th Ave. 00:42:39
And then and then you have a grocery store and then. 00:42:42
Soon we'll be bringing in the residential wrap that covers the. 00:42:46
The West and north side of the grocery store. 00:42:50
All right, so umm. 00:42:56
Since you've brought up that residential wrap, it'll be good to have a good narrative in this as well. We're we're missing that 00:42:58
and. 00:43:02
I know we've had conversations so. 00:43:06
Within the planning team, we know that something like that is about to happen. 00:43:09
But we don't have a lot more detail to guide us as we, uh, review this stuff. So we have, we'll be happy to have. 00:43:13
A full narrative that even. 00:43:20
Umm breaks down the parking and you know umm. 00:43:22
What you intend to do? 00:43:26
Having that site. 00:43:29
And how you intend to even face things out within that same spot as well. 00:43:31
Umm, talking about parking, uh. 00:43:36
Again, would need that breakdown. 00:43:39
To help us out, umm, I did not see enough information on the, uh, number of bike racks. 00:43:41
So that that should be. 00:43:49
Indicated as well. 00:43:51
Umm, you. You might wanna check your requirements for your ADAS also as well. 00:43:53
That's gonna be a good one for you. 00:43:58
Umm, the drive through. 00:44:01
Pharmacy. 00:44:04
I know you've updated it with this site plan that you're showing me. 00:44:05
About what I had, uh, review. 00:44:09
Umm, first of all, drive through. They're not. 00:44:12
Permitted in the way it should, it's presented here. 00:44:15
In the downtown, you know umm mixed-use area, it should be at the back of the building which should be your W elevation. 00:44:19
And this time is gonna be. 00:44:27
Umm, the residential U units being around here, so you might want to look at how you present your drive through to. 00:44:29
Umm, as as a requirement? 00:44:36
It's just showing you that right now. 00:44:39
I just wanted to. 00:44:42
So drive through is on the you know the means of access must be located behind the billing. 00:44:50
So that street, you know, drop offs are not also committed, uh, to fit it, uh, drive through. So. 00:44:55
Umm, you might want to look at that in. 00:45:02
Presented in a better way to us. 00:45:05
And we'll move on to. 00:45:08
It would be like a. 00:45:13
A pick up. 00:45:15
So we do anticipate we'll have like. 00:45:16
Umm, you know, you could do mobile orders and pick up groceries. 00:45:19
Maybe the pharmacy is? 00:45:23
Treated somewhat similar, but it's. 00:45:25
Of a pick up scenario instead of like a drive through. 00:45:28
And that would be more accepted, umm, once you. 00:45:33
Have it as a drive through. It does not meet the code. 00:45:36
So. 00:45:39
And a narrative as well indicating all of that would be very helpful. 00:45:42
Umm. 00:45:48
Let's see. 00:45:53
OK. 00:45:59
You were missing a photometric plan as well. 00:46:09
So would need that. 00:46:12
Umm. 00:46:13
Would also need to have some irrigation plan as well. 00:46:17
As you update your. 00:46:20
Umm, the landscaping plan, just so that they they're talking to each other. 00:46:22
Maybe I'm real quick on that point, Anthony is. 00:46:29
Similar to like the. 00:46:32
What we've been talking about on landscaping. 00:46:34
I think an another step that we could do at this stage would be. 00:46:36
The method of irrigation. 00:46:39
Like most planting beds now are. 00:46:41
Our trip. 00:46:44
Grass is still like overhead, so we could probably. 00:46:46
You know, as we're classifying and and showing. 00:46:50
The preliminary landscape plan and what's landscaping, What's hardscape? What's planting that? What's lawn? 00:46:54
We could also add. 00:47:00
The irrigation method. So maybe we don't have a full blown. 00:47:02
Irrigation plan at this stage, but we can. 00:47:06
We can share like what our method of irrigation would be, whether it's overhead or. 00:47:09
Or subsurface drip. 00:47:14
Hey, real quick going back to the the pharmacy drive through. 00:47:18
Umm, I I do think that. 00:47:22
Doing the zoning text amendment there would be, uh, a pretty easy. 00:47:24
Way to accommodate that we just allow for Dr. throughs for pharmacies. 00:47:29
Umm, you know, we're not interested in having people going through a grocery store pick up their meds. It makes a lot more sense 00:47:33
to. 00:47:36
So after this, but we we just need to have some standards in there in terms of like the queuing and everything, which I also 00:47:39
understand. 00:47:42
You know, a lot smaller queuing distance and like a swig but. 00:47:45
Umm, we we can maybe start drafting up the language and and. 00:47:49
Make sure that that this type of use would fall within. 00:47:53
OK. 00:47:58
All right, so umm, one last comment I have is umm. 00:48:13
I mean prior to the. 00:48:17
To the information of having that. 00:48:19
Residential wrap. You know I. 00:48:21
We don't have that knowledge information while I was doing this with you. So one of my comments I had was transparency on the 00:48:24
north side. 00:48:28
Needs to be umm. 00:48:32
You know, 30% at least on the whole, umm, elevation. 00:48:34
And so currently it's below 30% and you have. 00:48:39
A blank wall like you have over 30 feet of blank wall. 00:48:43
So now that you're gonna have that residential Rep, I know it's gonna take care of that. 00:48:47
And it's the same comment for the West elevation of the grocery store as well. 00:48:51
Since you're having a residential wrap, so you need to have it all in the narrative and also some sort of regiment to show that 00:48:56
it's gonna happen. 00:48:59
I'll be 6 days in plan and all that. Yes and it'll be nice to also. 00:49:03
Umm, take out. 00:49:09
Twice, Uh, things that you're not gonna build. 00:49:11
It's it's good that you have this shown. I'm just gonna show you this. 00:49:14
Motivation. 00:49:19
It's good that you have. 00:49:21
These booking outlines showing your plans for the future, so you can keep this in the submission however. 00:49:24
It would be nice to just have it all taken out so that we're just showing the stuff that we need to with a description showing the 00:49:30
reasons why. 00:49:34
Was like, these are what they are right now because you're gonna have a wrap. 00:49:38
They're going around it. That does not make it umm. 00:49:42
You know, worth it creating more. 00:49:46
You know, material differences as we require. 00:49:48
And transparency as well. 00:49:51
So that's that's all I have for now. 00:49:53
Umm. 00:49:56
Yeah. So if you are. 00:49:59
You know going to do the subdivision as you've mentioned. 00:50:02
Wanna have that started as soon as possible just so we can. 00:50:05
Get it through the process as we as this moves forward to Planning Commission, because it has to be. 00:50:10
An approved plan to move forward so. 00:50:15
Alright, anything else, uh, about this? Is there anything else you'd like that? 00:50:23
I don't think that DJ, do you have any questions on this one? 00:50:26
Oh, are you muted? 00:50:34
I could see your mouth moving. 00:50:37
I can't hear you. 00:50:39
Oh, oh, we got you. 00:50:53
OK, umm. 00:50:57
I was just gonna say no questions at one point of clarification. Umm, it was just that the entire building under design right now 00:50:59
and it will be 1 continuous bill. 00:51:03
So I think we can address all this conference pretty easily and it's not a a. 00:51:09
But diagnosed discontinuous, we're just trying to get on that growth at first. So I think we could address all this for you with. 00:51:15
You know, like from a phasing perspective, it'll be like the grocery store. 00:51:23
Foundation will go in. 00:51:28
And that same crew, we anticipate that same foundation crew will then roll into the residential. 00:51:29
Fine. So that that's essentially like the timing it's. 00:51:36
One right after the other. 00:51:39
I have a question though, are you participating in having the grocery store in operation while you build the residential app? 00:51:42
You might want to indicate your plans to have that happen safely because Planning Commission would probably bring that up as well, 00:51:48
so you might want to have it. 00:51:52
Umm, just show that as well. 00:51:57
Yeah. 00:52:01
That's a good point. 00:52:02
OK. I appreciate that. OK. So any comments, Chris? 00:52:06
Uh, no. 00:52:12
Bye. 00:52:14
That's what you're saying. We need to, we gotta talk about the firewall separating the different uses, but. 00:52:15
Also the. 00:52:21
Planning to keep the public away from the residential while the grocery store is open. 00:52:23
Mm-hmm. Alright, Fire department. 00:52:28
Uh, no commentary. 00:52:31
Seeing the same stuff. OK, uh, yeah, I, I did, uh, you and I have discussed wanting to get the Planning Commission soon. 00:52:34
Umm, I, I do think because of some things, like especially with the surgery store block, we're gonna have to buy that. I mean, I 00:52:41
guess with the other two blocks. 00:52:45
Perhaps about that as well. That's. 00:52:48
I I don't think that the 88 sorry 7 is. 00:52:50
Impossible. Umm, would you be interested in doing a work session so that we can take the two Planning Commission, we can address 00:52:56
our concerns? 00:52:59
And then we can figure out the planning issues, take it back to Planning Commission, hopefully by that point still a little bit 00:53:04
easier of an approval. We've we've addressed our concerns. That's probably really smart because it would probably go that way 00:53:09
anyway, right, right. So yeah, that makes a lot of sense and I think we can. 00:53:14
A lot of the comments, I think we can get pulled together pretty quickly. OK, So we can give you guys a better idea. 00:53:19
On what what we're trying to do. And yeah, that's a good idea though on the. 00:53:27
Would would you want to do it on the 7th or the the next meeting be the 21st? 00:53:30
We just wouldn't need the agenda out sooner than later on. For us, the sooner the better. But. 00:53:36
Umm. 00:53:41
I mean, yeah, I would just be work session so they wouldn't be voting on it. 00:53:44
Right. And then. 00:53:47
So then. 00:53:48
I mean it, it would, would it be the 8th that you guys would do your next CRC uh. 00:53:50
Uh, the next. 00:53:54
Our calendar got my. It'd actually be the 15th I think. 00:53:56
OK, the first and 3rd Thursday. 00:54:00
Yeah. So if we did work session on the 7th, we come back in DRC. 00:54:03
Some of the team, hopefully most of this stuff is is addressed. 00:54:08
You guys are able to, yeah, give you a recommendation. And then the next Planning Commission is the next week, the 21st, yeah. 00:54:12
Yeah. 00:54:18
So, OK, we'll, we'll plan on putting you on agenda for our connection then do you think would you want all of these blocks on the 00:54:20
work session or just. 00:54:24
Yeah, if you guys still like your. 00:54:28
In a spot where we could, we could do that, yeah. 00:54:31
Yeah, we're we're always open to work sessions and I feel like it's always better to get ahead of the public comment and the 00:54:34
Planning Commission comments. 00:54:37
Before approval, Yeah, I think that's really smart because I, I was thinking too, we'd probably be doing more sessions on everyone 00:54:41
anyway. 00:54:45
That's a good idea. 00:54:50
OK, uh, and for engineering, uh, Patrick, uh, stuck out for another meeting, Umm, but umm. 00:54:51
On our side, if the drive through does so, uh, get proposed and amendments and, uh, plan to think, umm. 00:54:57
I would suggest that that that uh. 00:55:05
Do a uh, specific umm. 00:55:07
Umm, being switched to ground that drives you for a pharmacy, uh, because we're out there, we're gonna ask for fees and so forth. 00:55:09
But uh, recognizing grocery store pharmacy is, is more a unique thing. We'll drive through. Uh, there's, uh, there's opportunity 00:55:14
to place that drive through. 00:55:19
An area where? 00:55:24
All right, allow for free photocopy, but uh, now it's requiring so much. Umm. 00:55:25
Uh, I guess so much queuing requirements as well, Umm, it's something very common that, uh, I've done in my previous day. 00:55:30
So, OK, I don't know, but uh, in regards to that, I think everything else from engineer will come during technical reviews. 00:55:39
Sure, Eric, Sir. 00:55:47
OK, nothing from Eric Park. 00:55:48
I went to the park and and then we have to make nothing. No loss. Thanks. OK. 00:55:51
But having said, uh. 00:55:55
So, uh, closing out the work session, right? 00:55:56
Uh, so we're gonna take a, we'll have to take a I'll go to close that work session. We'll just jump right into it. OK. So with 00:55:59
that being said, any, do you have any staff permission committee reports? Uh, do you have any reports from past? 00:56:05
Nothing for now, please. Alright, cash. 00:56:14
Alright, Chris. 00:56:17
Nothing. All right, bye. Nothing. And. 00:56:19
The only thing we have coming from umm. 00:56:23
Engineering wise it's more just general knowledge for everyone, but uh, the trail underneath the 800 N bridge is actively being 00:56:25
disrupted. 00:56:30
And, uh, with curling and so forth. And, umm. 00:56:34
Which ties into this so uh, downtown development office downtown and also Ek. 00:56:38
Uh, from running station. 00:56:43
So good news. 00:56:44
Alright, alright, Erica. 00:56:46
No, no park. 00:56:51
Cool. Uh, with that being said, do I need to take a motion to adjourn? Oh, we're good. No one has. 00:56:54
Uh, Harper left the journey to me. 00:57:00
Have a good day. 00:57:02
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