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Event transcript
All right. Thank you for joining us again. We are starting. I'm calling to order our Vineyard City Council regular meeting. 00:00:01
We're going to go ahead and open our meeting. The time is 628. 00:00:09
And our first item of business is actually a closed session. 00:00:14
We'll be going into the session for two items. 00:00:19
Item a discussion of character, professional competence, or physical or mental health of an individual and the second item. 00:00:21
Will be for discussion of character, professional competence, or physical or mental health of an individual. 00:00:28
And strategies, uh. 00:00:34
Strategy sessions to discuss pending a reasonable imminent. 00:00:36
Litigation. 00:00:39
I need a motion to go into a closed session. 00:00:41
The whole thing sorry and the emotion isn't accurate. I missed. 00:00:44
Part of it so AM. 00:00:48
And, umm. 00:00:51
Yeah, the motion is for two items. 00:00:54
Did you want Marty to say it or can I say, OK, so it's for two items? 00:00:58
Item 1 is a. 00:01:02
Item 2 is AMC. 00:01:03
Do I need to read out A and C as I do it? 00:01:05
OK, so for item one, we're going into a closed session to discuss. 00:01:08
For discussion of the character, professional competence, or physical and mental health of an individual. 00:01:12
For item two, we are going in for a as well. This. 00:01:17
Discussion. 00:01:21
The character, professional competence, or physical and mental health of an individual along with. See the strategy sessions to 00:01:22
discuss pending or reasonable. 00:01:26
Imminent litigation. 00:01:30
Excellent. 00:01:32
First, can I get a second? 00:01:33
2nd. 00:01:35
Second by Sarah, all in favor. 00:01:36
It's been done by roll call Jake. 00:01:38
I object knowing that the individual would rather do this in in public, so no. 00:01:41
All right, Brian, hi. 00:01:47
Hi, Marty. 00:01:48
Hi, Sarah. Hi. 00:01:50
All right. 00:01:52
We will be back from this time. 00:01:55
And once we've concluded? 00:01:57
All right. Thank you so much for waiting. 00:02:06
We're going to go ahead and move on to the next item on our agenda. 00:02:08
First, we'll have public comments. This is a time for you to come and address the Council on things that are not currently on the 00:02:12
agenda. 00:02:15
Please come to the podium and. 00:02:18
State your name. You'll have two minutes. 00:02:19
Tony or Pam will put it on the screen and you'll be able to as soon as you are your two minutes are up. 00:02:22
Your microphone will shut up. 00:02:29
Please come up and actually could you raise your hand to just so I could know. 00:02:31
Who will be making a public comment tonight? 00:02:34
We have two. 00:02:36
3. 00:02:37
Start. Come on up. 00:02:38
Don't start it yet. 00:02:42
I haven't given you my name. I'm Darlene Price. I'm from the Villas. 00:02:43
Ready set. 00:02:47
Go, go. 00:02:48
OK. First off, this is just a slide comment. I'm wondering if you were punishing us? 00:02:49
Or you were enduring to the end while we waited for you. 00:02:55
For almost 45 minutes. 00:02:58
I'm suggesting that you put that at the end and then you guys can stay as long as you want. 00:03:01
And we can go home. 00:03:05
OK, next thing I'm worried about safety. 00:03:07
There was a young child that was hitting the crosswalk. 00:03:10
Over here he got up and so was fine, but I'm concerned about that one there. 00:03:13
And the one that's on. 00:03:18
That's is it across Main St. No. 00:03:19
Is it mill? 00:03:23
By the villas, it's that one. I am concerned about that because people stop. 00:03:25
And then the next card goes through and I don't know how you're going to fix that, but that is. 00:03:30
That is wrong. 00:03:34
From the get go. 00:03:35
The second thing that I am concerned about is the use of the sidewalks for motorized transportation. 00:03:37
So kids on motorbikes. 00:03:44
Electric bikes, Kids on motor scooters. 00:03:46
I've been for walking around the corner and as I come around the corner they blind side me and I'm the one that has to move 00:03:49
because they're motorized. 00:03:53
And I am concerned about that. 00:03:57
However, they don't have a place to ride. 00:03:59
So I understand that too. 00:04:01
But it is dangerous for. 00:04:03
For umm. 00:04:05
That the one thing I thought perhaps might work. 00:04:07
Is to give some sort of. 00:04:11
Community Education. 00:04:14
That you get a license. 00:04:16
For writing that. 00:04:18
And that you know that if there's a stop sign, you have to stop. You don't just get to go. 00:04:20
So I'm I'm worried about that. 00:04:26
Golf carts. Scooters. 00:04:28
There was a four year old boy that's riding a scooter along. 00:04:30
The main drag. 00:04:34
No parents. 00:04:35
I don't know how we're going to do that, but somehow. 00:04:38
We're hoping the sheriff's got some things to think about. 00:04:41
I'm done. 00:04:44
4 seconds left. 00:04:45
Thank you. 00:04:49
You have not laughed as much. 00:04:53
Ever here, have you? 00:04:55
We're having a good time tonight. 00:04:59
Daria Evans Villas resident. 00:05:02
I have a question. 00:05:05
And I don't know if it's going to. 00:05:06
Conflict with the agenda or not? 00:05:11
I just want to I can't remember if we have approved short term rentals. 00:05:14
And it's regarding. 00:05:20
Now. 00:05:23
I just lost it. 00:05:30
There's. Oh yes. 00:05:32
Eric Ellis is going to. 00:05:35
The affirmation of Craig Call as a hearing officer. 00:05:37
And I noticed that tomorrow there is no hearing. 00:05:41
For a gentleman who wants. 00:05:46
A zoning change. 00:05:50
For short term rental. 00:05:53
And Vineyard. 00:05:56
And that meeting has been cancelled and I just want to know. 00:05:57
Have we approved short term rentals and why is this gentleman seeking? 00:06:00
Or if it's a woman. 00:06:05
The name is Adele. 00:06:06
Something. 00:06:08
And I just want to know. 00:06:09
What is happening? 00:06:12
With that. 00:06:13
Situation. Thank you. 00:06:15
Thank you darling, sorry I had a hard time explaining it. 00:06:16
OK. Are there any other public comments? 00:06:24
OK. If not, I'm going to go ahead and. 00:06:29
Close the public comment section. 00:06:30
And let's see, just to review them really quickly. 00:06:32
There is a discussion tonight that. 00:06:36
Darlene, I think will answer some of your questions about motorized opportunities. 00:06:39
We can talk to our. 00:06:44
Active transportation from. 00:06:46
Commission about some of these things and. 00:06:48
Have a further discussion on. 00:06:51
Some of the things that. 00:06:53
You brought up tonight. 00:06:55
And sometimes we hold closed sessions that have to relate to a decision we have to make before you publicly in this meeting. 00:06:56
And so the short term rentals you could meet with. 00:07:02
Sorry I'm out of time. 00:07:05
And you could meet with. 00:07:07
I'm sorry, what would you like a quick? Yes, it's a very quick response. 00:07:11
We have not approved short term rentals in the city. The individual that was. 00:07:14
Applying for the short. 00:07:18
The individual that was applying for the. 00:07:20
Hearing uh. 00:07:23
Remove the request for that hearing. 00:07:26
And just just to add. 00:07:29
The the only way you can get a license for a short term rental. 00:07:30
Is through a development agreement. 00:07:36
In a project. 00:07:37
Build for short term rentals so that would be like. 00:07:38
If if someone builds a community specifically for short term rentals. 00:07:41
That where they have 24/7. 00:07:46
Management, but we don't have any of those. So this is specifically single family neighborhoods that we we haven't approved. 00:07:49
OK. Thank you. 00:07:57
We're gonna go ahead to mayor and council member, reports. Jake, do you mind starting? 00:07:59
Now let's have someone else go first. 00:08:04
OK. Does anybody have anything to report? 00:08:05
Marty, I know you attended a few meetings if you want to make. Yeah. 00:08:13
I think Brett's more prepared than I. 00:08:17
Will you go first breath? 00:08:19
I feel like I should ask Sarah to go first. 00:08:22
All right. 00:08:28
The one that I was thinking about. 00:08:29
Is with with all the discussion in the audit. 00:08:33
And questions about the about the RDA? 00:08:37
It was making me. 00:08:41
Think about the. 00:08:43
Relative value of even having an RDA. 00:08:45
And one of the things that had come to my attention previously was a memo from the. 00:08:49
Utah Taxpayers Association. 00:08:54
That definitely had a lot of concerns about. 00:08:57
The formation of the Vineyard RDA. 00:08:59
And it just made me think I. 00:09:04
I want to go look at some data. 00:09:06
Because that's kind of. 00:09:07
Who I am. 00:09:09
And so I went and I found it that that Josh had referenced earlier. 00:09:11
The annual reports. 00:09:15
Are available publicly, so I'm going and looking at those. 00:09:17
And one of the things in the the memo was? 00:09:20
Suggesting that the vineyard RDA might be. 00:09:24
Problematic. Similar to how the Cottonwood ball. 00:09:27
RDA is problematic. 00:09:30
So I thought I'm going to compare those two since there is a third party who's already calling those out. 00:09:32
And in doing that, I'm looking at the property assessments. 00:09:37
Of those. 00:09:43
The properties in the in those projects, in over 17 years, the Cottonwood RDA has had an annualized return of about 3.8%. 00:09:45
So it's not awesome. 00:09:55
And the Vineyard Rea has an annualized return over its 14 years. 00:09:57
Of just over 64%. 00:10:01
So those are property values that have increased. 00:10:04
Annually by an average of 64%. 00:10:06
So those are assessed values by the county. 00:10:11
Who's a neutral party? 00:10:14
And if you told me? 00:10:19
14 years ago that. 00:10:20
When we're forming this RDA. 00:10:24
That it would produce that kind of return. 00:10:25
I probably would have told you you were crazy. 00:10:28
I would have been super skeptical reading that memo at the time. I'd probably be just as skeptical. 00:10:30
But that's not the reality of what's happened. 00:10:37
And the whole reason that I'm. 00:10:39
Looking at this and thinking about it. 00:10:41
Is because we are so focused on details right now. 00:10:43
That we're not zooming out and actually seeing. 00:10:47
What the cumulative effect of the RDA is? 00:10:50
And the the last comment that I wanted to make about it. 00:10:53
Is that if I told you that you could make. 00:10:57
Investment for the future of. 00:11:01
A school district. 00:11:04
It was going to beat every major index by 45%. 00:11:05
I think you take that deal. 00:11:10
It's all got. 00:11:15
OK. Thank you so much. 00:11:16
Thank you for looking that up. We really appreciate the work that you've been doing as our liaison with our finances. 00:11:18
I'm ready. 00:11:23
OK, Marty, go ahead and give Brett. 00:11:24
I wanted to share just a few things. 00:11:26
On Monday night we had a key leader dinner for the Communities that Care Vineyard. 00:11:32
And it was awesome. We have so many wonderful people in our community. 00:11:38
That are working for those of you that don't know this coalition. 00:11:42
Is focused on helping the youth in our community. 00:11:47
There's a lot of studies and statistics that show. 00:11:49
That if we are able to approach and help these. 00:11:53
Help our youth through some of these struggling. 00:11:57
Teenage common issues. 00:12:00
Overall, approaching these and working together as a community, we have there's a proven success so. 00:12:04
I just want to thank. 00:12:11
David Pierce, I want to thank Julia. 00:12:12
Just for all the hard work they've done and every member of that. 00:12:16
Committee and. 00:12:19
And everyone that participated. 00:12:20
I also wanted to talk about we had. 00:12:23
A really cool experience. 00:12:27
The University of Utah. 00:12:29
President. He has a social media post and I thought it was worth reading. 00:12:32
He said one of the final stops on the southern leg of our 175th anniversary tour took us to Vineyard City. 00:12:36
The future home of Huntsman Cancer Institute. 00:12:44
New Utah County campus. 00:12:46
We were joined on the bus by Mayor Fulmer, who told. 00:12:48
Who shared her bold vision for transforming Vineyard into the economic and innovation hub of Utah Valley. 00:12:52
Her leadership is inspiring and reimagination of the city. 00:12:57
And inspire, Reimagine. 00:13:01
Reimagination of the city. 00:13:02
City planning leaders walked us through Utah City, a visionary mixed-use development rising from the ground up. 00:13:04
This vibrant new district will feature a Green Line promenade, transit connections, upscale restaurants, Abella's Market grocery 00:13:10
store and 1000 new apartments, all set to come online within the next year. 00:13:15
Mayor Fulmer said it best the HCI's new cancer campus is the anchor that brought Vineyard City's Town Center into focus. 00:13:21
I really just wanted to share how excited we are that the University of Utah. 00:13:30
Is. 00:13:34
Such a great partner and Huntsman Grant. 00:13:36
Huntsman Cancer Institute is. 00:13:38
Such a wonderful. 00:13:41
Wonderful flagship of a company here. What do we call it? 00:13:44
I always call it a flagship but someone said it's the wrong term. 00:13:48
Anyway, that's really exciting. 00:13:51
The other one was. I thought it was pretty cool. 00:13:55
Technically I don't know if it's vineyard boundaries, but Heaven on Earth is a name massage. 00:13:58
Paula that's technically or in boundaries, but still. 00:14:03
To benefit for all of us and the offices on this. 00:14:06
In the sleepy Ridge. 00:14:10
Clubhouse stuff. 00:14:12
That was it. 00:14:14
Thank you. 00:14:16
So I. 00:14:21
I don't do quite. 00:14:22
Of dive as Brett does. 00:14:24
But just for fun. 00:14:28
I took the. 00:14:29
The graph that Josh prepared that showed what the baseline would be for the RDA. 00:14:30
If it were never approved and then where we're at now, 2024? 00:14:36
Well, 2024 numbers. 00:14:39
And I I just did simple math. 00:14:42
And as far as I could tell. 00:14:45
And you guys can correct me if I'm wrong because I did it really fast just because I was curious. 00:14:47
It seemed like. 00:14:51
Right now, even at 25%. 00:14:52
I just did Utah County. 00:14:56
Tax rate. 00:14:57
But Utah County was getting like 5 times what they would if we hadn't developed that. 00:14:58
The the area. 00:15:03
So we really do need to. 00:15:06
Slow down. 00:15:08
And sorry, I need to breathe. 00:15:08
And look at. 00:15:11
Look at the benefit that I really is providing. 00:15:15
Well, for all of us and. 00:15:18
And the future of? 00:15:20
The tech and not. 00:15:21
But I guess from my point of view. 00:15:26
Hearing and. 00:15:28
All of the discussion that's come into action and the criticism. 00:15:32
That the tech hasn't been meeting, you know? 00:15:35
This has been over 14 years. This isn't just a. 00:15:39
Mayor Mercy. 00:15:42
So I think we need to be careful. 00:15:44
To attach harsh criticism. 00:15:47
Because I think the value of it has. 00:15:49
It's so clear when you look around. 00:15:52
And we drive just in the last seven years since I moved here. 00:15:54
The progress and development. 00:15:58
In this area is. 00:16:00
Substantial. 00:16:01
And um. 00:16:03
Yeah, I think. 00:16:04
It's worth noting. 00:16:06
Because we all get to benefit from it right now. 00:16:07
And there will be massive benefit from it. 00:16:10
In years to come so. 00:16:13
So there's that. 00:16:14
And. 00:16:15
Burger King sign is on their restaurant. 00:16:16
Thank you. 00:16:20
So I listen. 00:16:20
Prepared to talk about RDA stuff but. 00:16:23
I've learned a lot in the last month. 00:16:27
You know. 00:16:32
I would like to correct the record that we we do know what happened with the RDA because the vast majority of people that were 00:16:34
involved in the original creation are still alive and. 00:16:38
Calling them and talking to them. 00:16:42
And understanding how. 00:16:44
I I even found an article in the Salt Lake Tribune. 00:16:47
With Randy Farnsworth fighting about how. 00:16:49
We don't want the RDA. 00:16:52
We're going to try and stop. 00:16:54
And then the developer going to the county over our head. 00:16:56
With David Church. 00:17:00
And being having it forced upon us to take our taxes to develop a private development, right. 00:17:02
And I love going through the past history to kind of understand it. 00:17:08
It was forced on us. 00:17:13
To and and I I think we could all argue points about. 00:17:15
If all the taxpayers of. 00:17:21
The school district and the county were to give money to a developer. 00:17:24
We can all understand that that. 00:17:28
Value of that property would go up. 00:17:30
That we gave it to them. 00:17:32
And I but that's government money going to them. 00:17:35
In the early days I was I was saddened to see how much of. 00:17:39
Affordable housing and affordable housing and people have got to be able to buy housing to then turn around and have it be 100% 00:17:44
rentals. 00:17:47
And that conversation stopped. 00:17:51
And that's disheartening. 00:17:54
And then? 00:17:57
You know, to go through and see the. 00:17:59
10s of millions of dollars. 00:18:01
I'm not saying that it hasn't improved because if you give 10s of millions of dollars to developer, it's going to. 00:18:03
It's going to be better, but. 00:18:08
In in talking with. 00:18:11
You know the tech isn't 14 years. It hasn't been getting together for 11. 00:18:15
It started I think. 00:18:21
I don't know the 14 years number, but it's only. 00:18:23
Not been getting together. 00:18:25
My issue is that. 00:18:28
In going over the old meeting minutes. 00:18:31
The lobbying. 00:18:35
Either the developer going to. 00:18:36
Remove the oversight. 00:18:38
Or us hiring a lobbyist. 00:18:41
And the Gray there to remove the oversight of both of those taxing entities when it's their money. 00:18:44
It's just so troubling to me. 00:18:49
Especially with the. 00:18:51
Hundreds of millions of dollars that. 00:18:53
I agree it would go up in value. 00:18:55
But you're giving that too. 00:18:57
To somebody else. 00:18:58
And and you would be getting a little bit more taxes. 00:19:00
The issue that I have is that. 00:19:03
The people that are paying the taxes. 00:19:06
Now. 00:19:08
Are going to be dead. 00:19:09
30 years from now, so is it fair for. 00:19:11
Those individuals to. 00:19:13
Take twice the. 00:19:15
Or pay a massive. 00:19:17
Property tax increase now. 00:19:19
For something that they are not. 00:19:21
Is that government's responsibility? 00:19:22
To. 00:19:25
To pay for something. 00:19:28
Our seniors are never going to even enjoy. 00:19:29
And is that government's role? 00:19:32
And so, but the last thing is, is I think this is an opportunity for us to come together and show leadership. 00:19:34
You know, Mr. John Barrack that came has come in. 00:19:43
18 months ago. 00:19:47
That came in and said, hey, the numbers are off, the numbers are off. 00:19:48
I just disagree that it should have taken 15 months. He he teaches. 00:19:52
And advises Congress. 00:19:56
Multiple times on. 00:19:58
Complex finances and for him to see. 00:20:01
That the reporting. 00:20:04
On the finances were off not only in the in the RDA, but in the city. 00:20:06
You know, going back. 00:20:10
The eight years. 00:20:11
You know both entities are wrong. 00:20:13
In terms of the reporting to the state. 00:20:14
If we would have I agree with the letter of the auditor of. 00:20:17
If we would just listen to each other and listen to what John had to say, we would have. 00:20:22
Discovered this problem 18 months ago. 00:20:26
And I don't, I don't. 00:20:28
Do that to throw it in anyone's face. It's just to. 00:20:29
It is just frustrating to. 00:20:32
To get to this point. 00:20:36
But this is what I think I I called the auditor today and I was really happy to hear that. 00:20:37
And I don't know who of you are meeting with him. 00:20:42
That's an awesome step. 00:20:46
I'm I'm thankful when when he called, I was like, that's awesome. 00:20:47
Because it's not about who's right, it's about. 00:20:51
You know, getting it right. 00:20:54
Whether we agree with taking? 00:20:56
You know, I know you guys. 00:20:58
I disagree with taking any type of education money for this but. 00:20:59
But you guys do? 00:21:03
And so if you do. 00:21:04
I think we can all agree that. 00:21:06
You know, reporting the amounts of the total investment is good and so. 00:21:08
I'm just excited that you guys are. 00:21:13
I'm willing to meet with him. 00:21:15
You know, I would just say that I didn't. 00:21:17
You know normally when these findings happen. 00:21:23
We will be given we were. We were told about this two weeks ago. 00:21:26
And it's hard to get. 00:21:30
You know. 00:21:32
Findings that are. 00:21:33
That are like this right? 00:21:34
We need as a body to. 00:21:38
I was disappointed that we didn't come together and just. 00:21:40
Talk about it amongst ourselves. 00:21:43
And have an organized response back. 00:21:45
Do we agree with it or do we not? 00:21:48
And then responding, not just the mayor, but all of us together, unified. 00:21:51
And if we challenge or disagree with it? 00:21:55
Then we together disagree. And they can. 00:21:58
Explain it to us further and. 00:22:00
You know that that didn't happen. We should have. 00:22:03
You know, I, I just wish we had that culture to. 00:22:06
Lead on that, on that. 00:22:10
A little bit better, but I when I found that out today I was like. 00:22:13
And it sounds like there's a crack. And we can. 00:22:16
Move forward. 00:22:20
Because we have to move forward, the last thing I would say is. 00:22:21
John Derek is incredible in terms of finances and. 00:22:25
The amount of tax levy that this is shouldered across the 15 cities. 00:22:29
Bringing that commitment down to the four cities. 00:22:36
That remain in this meal is. 00:22:40
It's not sustainable. 00:22:43
So at that level of commitment, or if it is. 00:22:45
We're looking at a very significant tax increase. 00:22:49
Upon this following year because the commitment was so huge, right and so like. 00:22:53
One of the things that I found out in the auditor is is that. 00:22:58
There they didn't determine if it would continue or not or at what level. They were just saying. 00:23:02
We need to talk that that that those four cities. 00:23:08
Need to openly talk about this massive commitment of the RDA. 00:23:11
And and what that does to. 00:23:15
To our school so. 00:23:18
And so I would just say, Marty, you're on the education committee of like. 00:23:19
I would like to be in those meetings and I believe. 00:23:23
The number one priority of that committee right now is actually. 00:23:26
What is this impact and? 00:23:30
On a per household basis. 00:23:33
To be able to. 00:23:36
You know, does it? 00:23:37
What level of commitment can the RDA sustain? 00:23:38
You know. 00:23:41
Well, umm. 00:23:42
So you know. 00:23:44
Since you stated my name. 00:23:46
I have talked to elected officials in other cities, in our new school district and. 00:23:47
I don't. I don't like to quote other people. 00:23:53
But there has been substantial support. 00:23:57
With the. 00:24:01
From those conversations. 00:24:02
And so and. 00:24:04
Like they want to continue the tax level, they see Vineyard as a long term investment. 00:24:06
They see Vineyard as. 00:24:12
Either uh. 00:24:13
And I don't believe we can cancel an RDA at this point. I don't know, I haven't. 00:24:15
Then as close to the state auditor's office as you have. 00:24:19
But we have. 00:24:22
First of all, we have. 00:24:25
I imagine hundreds of millions of dollars in bonds that have already been purchased, so just canceling something like that doesn't 00:24:27
seem possible. 00:24:31
But what I'm trying to say is. 00:24:35
They know that they could have left our area as a brownfield. 00:24:38
It wasn't developed or it was slowly developed. 00:24:42
Or they. 00:24:46
I mean, I've spoken with Alpine School District, I've spoken with. 00:24:47
Leadership. 00:24:51
Specifically, I've spoken with Mayor Young. 00:24:52
And I haven't had the pushback that you keep bringing up. 00:24:54
And they all see that it's a. 00:24:58
It's a logical financing tool. Orem has an RDA with their University mall. 00:25:00
That they are working with and that they. 00:25:05
Aren't complaining to me about they just see it as a financing tool so. 00:25:08
Forgive me just. 00:25:13
When you say all these things, I think it's hard for me to digest because I only hear it from you. 00:25:14
So I will be talking with the state auditor, which will be great. 00:25:19
Brett and I have an appointment to meet with. 00:25:23
Seth and Tina tomorrow. 00:25:26
And. 00:25:28
But so far. 00:25:30
I was approached by another city outside of our district that is in our county and they were like. 00:25:32
Oh yeah, giving me a hard time about the RDA. And then they finished the sent us off with, well, how did you do it? Because we 00:25:37
want one. 00:25:40
So I just think that. 00:25:43
I think it's hard for me when you say all these things. 00:25:46
I don't hear it from other people. 00:25:49
I'll let you read Mayor Young's text to me at the end of the meeting here. 00:25:52
Cool. But I can't help that Mayor Young says something to you and different, and that's why I think we do public meetings. 00:25:56
Like that's why I say go and let's. And if they are saying that, then at least we're that's why we do recorded meetings. 00:26:02
But but yeah, and and you're you might be right. 00:26:08
There might be elected officials that like putting the tax burden upon. 00:26:10
The taxpayers of Vineyard. 00:26:14
And then the taxpayers have been here to know. 00:26:16
Look, these people are wanting to put. 00:26:19
This tax upon the residents to pay for Utah City for the development. Well, I just think it's. 00:26:21
Important to point out that. 00:26:28
We're paying taxes no matter what. 00:26:30
It's how those taxes go. 00:26:32
Alpine School District I think 1 common thing that said about Alpine School District is. 00:26:34
We're taking money from education. We're actually not. 00:26:39
Alpine will request what they need and then it will be distributed. Does it mean that? 00:26:43
Certain areas are putting more into the school district than others. Yes, that's correct. 00:26:48
But. 00:26:52
Long term, does that mean? 00:26:53
We shouldn't pay more once all of this is done, once all of our development is done and our economic development and. 00:26:55
Tax are taxes that go into the school district go significantly up after all of our development? 00:27:03
Does that mean that we should tell other cities that? 00:27:11
Like, I don't know, I just think that the way it's worded I feel like is very much. 00:27:14
Not looking at the logic of it. 00:27:20
We're just, well, I actually agree with what you're saying, which is. 00:27:22
If I'm understanding you, you're saying, well, the school district doesn't lose. 00:27:26
Immediately. And you're absolutely right. 00:27:30
Well, they don't lose at all. They don't they get the money that they're when when requesting that this. 00:27:33
The school district has to request a certain amount to be able to survive in the school district. 00:27:38
So when we do an RDA. 00:27:44
They have to turn around and increase a rate. 00:27:46
To because somebody's got to pay for it. 00:27:49
So they increase our rate. 00:27:51
And you're right then. Then part of it goes to Utah City. 00:27:54
To make the school district can't live on a lower amount so the rate. 00:27:57
And you can look back in the past when the RDA. 00:28:01
Is happy. 00:28:03
Does happen. 00:28:04
As a counter rate increase. 00:28:05
And and so it's a heavy burden upon our. 00:28:07
Our residents to. 00:28:10
To tax them both, if that makes sense. 00:28:13
But as long as we're. 00:28:16
Open and honest about it. 00:28:17
Because that's the conversation we had. 00:28:19
This does have an impact. It's hidden. I mean it's hidden in the total your your school district. 00:28:21
Property tax. 00:28:27
Because they don't. It's pushed over. 00:28:28
And you're right. 00:28:31
30 years from now. 00:28:33
There will be a return on investment the. 00:28:34
The the developer that got the 300 million. 00:28:36
The increase will be. 00:28:40
But like. 00:28:41
I would love them to invest in my property and let me get that property, let me improve my property. Well, Jake, your property 00:28:43
value because of the surrounding and investment in the land. 00:28:48
We all benefit. 00:28:54
From having good development and vineyard. 00:28:55
We all benefit. 00:28:58
That our property values have gone up. 00:28:59
And the developer wouldn't have been able to develop that land. 00:29:01
Without some kind of reimbursement, no one. 00:29:04
Was going to be able to develop Geneva without some kind of financial tax report, but you realize they got that land on 11:50 00:29:07
cents on the dollar because that private investor of that of that problem, right? 00:29:14
It wasn't the same as the gammon, the holdaway. 00:29:21
Like the land is completely. 00:29:24
Discounted and that's what that's my problem. 00:29:26
Too, But they get that sorry take hold on. I understand. 00:29:31
Can you give Sarah a time for a second? 00:29:36
Yeah, they got it at a discounted rate, but it's a massive risk. 00:29:39
Right of expense, so. 00:29:43
So even if. 00:29:45
Even if there was minimal cleanup, it's still. 00:29:46
They're they're taking on a massive. 00:29:48
Yeah, right. And then I and I think that's the question of. 00:29:51
Taxpayers to understand is. 00:29:54
Do you want to be investing in into a private development? 00:29:55
And then get to return 30 years later. 00:29:59
And and and right now in order to make our school district. 00:30:01
They will take that funds and we in order they're not going to be shortchanged. And I'm I'm totally agreeing with you. 00:30:06
School District. 00:30:12
Has to get fed. The teachers have to. 00:30:13
But that is an artificially high rate and when the new rate comes in? 00:30:16
When it's all said and done in this next year. 00:30:21
The amount that the RDA is. 00:30:24
Is you know. 00:30:27
The 12 million, we already know that total dollar amount, right, Every 12? 00:30:28
Like is it 13 million this year? 00:30:32
13 million is gathered in our school district taxes. 00:30:35
And it's not doing school district and county. 00:30:39
And city. 00:30:42
And then? 00:30:44
And instead of going to those entities to run the government. 00:30:45
They're going to a private development. I think that clarity in the reporting and the and showing that. 00:30:48
Because obviously the developer doesn't. 00:30:53
Want that like putting that on the state reports is important to know like this is. 00:30:55
All the revenues that are coming in. 00:30:59
So they can see that that's not being made clear, then let's definitely make that clear. 00:31:02
That you're right, that needs to be something. 00:31:06
That's finding #3 right? It's just making sure that. 00:31:08
That they're disclosing how much public money is going to a private entity. 00:31:12
So also. 00:31:18
I want to wrap this up because I feel like it's going to. I don't want to be here till midnight, but. 00:31:21
I'm just saying. 00:31:25
The umm. 00:31:27
The reinvestment. 00:31:30
Into Geneva. 00:31:31
It was a factory. 00:31:33
That service the entire country. 00:31:35
That gave high paying jobs to our county that arguably. 00:31:37
Helped with World War 2. Are you still listening to me? 00:31:40
Geneva. 00:31:46
Was this? 00:31:47
Worldwide asset. 00:31:48
And then it got shut down, torn apart, and then Little Vineyard was left. 00:31:51
To pick up the pieces. 00:31:56
So we had a choice for. 00:31:58
Back in 2011. 00:31:59
That we either. 00:32:01
Leave it as this eyesore. 00:32:02
Brownfield. 00:32:04
Not great piece of property. 00:32:06
Or we do something with it with the support. 00:32:08
Of More than just little vineyard. 00:32:12
And so this. 00:32:14
The school district at the time, I didn't realize this, but they didn't have a vote. 00:32:15
And there was legislation that changed that later on. 00:32:19
And so now they would have a vote. 00:32:22
But that's why it passed, because the people involved at the time. 00:32:24
Found it as a reasonable investment and then Vineyard has definitely benefited. 00:32:28
Government owners. 00:32:32
Besides just the ones that own. 00:32:34
Utah City. 00:32:38
Have benefited from. 00:32:39
Improvement of. 00:32:40
Properties. 00:32:42
Our property values. 00:32:43
And half of our community wouldn't be here without the RDA. 00:32:45
So I just think what's hard for me is. 00:32:48
We've done all these things and now you're telling me that, OK, well, we've benefited. 00:32:51
And that's now let's stop it. 00:32:55
You know what I mean? 00:32:58
So I don't know, I'm done. I'm I'm good. We can talk about this more later. 00:32:59
Whatever. We need to make sure everyone knows what's going on, but. 00:33:03
I'm all about what's. 00:33:06
Let's get economic development. 00:33:07
Let's clean up this brownfield and let's. 00:33:09
Make sure we're talking to people and make sure we're transparent and move on. 00:33:12
Jake, is there anything else you wanted to add to your report? 00:33:15
No, I'm good. 00:33:19
All right, I'll go ahead and take my turn. 00:33:21
I like what you're saying, Marty, about the purpose of the RDA. 00:33:23
I think that is a really significant piece when we're talking about. 00:33:27
Where we're coming from. 00:33:30
The RDA that we have really did built. 00:33:32
Build the region and help build all of the communities. 00:33:34
And uh. 00:33:38
Create what we see today and so. 00:33:39
As as we come back. 00:33:42
Clean that up. 00:33:43
That is, the city's working back on a. 00:33:45
Paying back and working together on a. 00:33:48
Site that once fed the entire region. 00:33:51
I think that. 00:33:55
It's a little bit confusing the way RDA financing works. 00:33:57
You. 00:34:02
That, umm. 00:34:03
There was discussion. 00:34:04
I should say about. 00:34:06
Taxpayers being able to. 00:34:08
Benefit from what is built. 00:34:11
And when we want to put those tax dollars forward. 00:34:13
And the way that. 00:34:16
The RDA worked is that. 00:34:17
It started out with the base increment. 00:34:19
That means the amount of increment each entity was getting. 00:34:22
When they first decided to. 00:34:25
Start the RDA. 00:34:27
And what they agreed to is that everybody can. 00:34:29
Refused to receive the value of that land. 00:34:31
They get. 00:34:34
That increment? 00:34:35
And then what they're going to do in the future. 00:34:36
Any additional increment that would come? 00:34:39
Come from cleaning up the land. 00:34:41
Putting in the infrastructure. 00:34:43
Watching these businesses come on. 00:34:45
That additional increment is what would go to the RDA. 00:34:47
To continue to clean the land up. 00:34:50
So it's not truly a diversion when they already have the base increment. 00:34:53
Now when you're talking about where would those funds go? 00:34:57
Later. 00:35:00
Those friends would never have gone anywhere. 00:35:01
Except that we cleaned them up. 00:35:04
And so when brought, brings up. 00:35:06
This 80% ROI. 00:35:08
We're not talking about the base increment of the value that the school would have. 00:35:10
And the school will always have to raise taxes on what its needs are, and we're not talking about the base value. 00:35:14
We're talking about. 00:35:20
What do we do with the additional value that comes in? 00:35:22
And clean. That cleans up the site. 00:35:25
And that's at 80% increase that says. 00:35:27
These things are going to keep going back into the site until it's clean. 00:35:30
And that increment? 00:35:33
That increases. 00:35:35
Is what benefits the schools and benefits. 00:35:36
The future of the community and so how? 00:35:39
How do the residents? 00:35:41
Benefit and it's because the. 00:35:42
The way that the RDA works. 00:35:45
Is that that money goes into the infrastructure? 00:35:46
So all of the infrastructure that you are experiencing today? 00:35:50
That is paid for through this mechanism. 00:35:53
Are the parks that you're seeing going in? 00:35:56
They are the houses. 00:35:58
The area that you live in. 00:36:00
Is based on this. 00:36:02
Cleanup and so you get to live here. 00:36:03
I think everybody that's public that lives in the residence today lives in an area that was. 00:36:06
The beneficiary of this? 00:36:11
RDA and. 00:36:13
Additionally to that, we see the parks in the downtown and we'll continue to have the benefits of it. So it's really. 00:36:16
The increment coincides with the people. 00:36:22
Living as it is building. 00:36:25
And that's really what. 00:36:28
There isn't a burden that comes in from doing a bond early and having. 00:36:29
Generations after us pay for it or having you pay for all of it and then you don't see it for 10 years because of the slow build. 00:36:34
So it's a really neat mechanism that way. 00:36:41
I will say that we were really excited to be able to work with the auditor. 00:36:43
When John Barrett and. 00:36:47
Discussed some of the issues that he was seeing with Utah transparency. Felt like our staff really took charge and went and 00:36:49
approached the auditor and tried to talk about how we could fix. 00:36:54
The way that the reporting mechanism was and I was really grateful to see them come together and do a good job. 00:36:59
How to fix it clerically? 00:37:06
If you look at our reports online, you'll see that those numbers had already been posted. 00:37:07
But in this specific website. 00:37:12
We needed a mechanism to pull those together and we're we couldn't be more happy that the auditor. 00:37:14
Presented a solution to us. We immediately complied with it, and we'll continue to do so on everything. 00:37:20
That we see going forward. 00:37:25
When we talk about the TUC. 00:37:28
Jake, I mean, Josh mentioned. 00:37:30
Kind of where the TC laws have changed overtime and how the TEC works. 00:37:32
Is underneath the. 00:37:37
State laws and talk about the state laws and we can talk about that more on the report, but what we what we want to express to the 00:37:38
public is any opportunity that we have to work with our taxing entities, we're going to take it and. 00:37:44
What we when we say we welcome audits, we do because we're always going to make, there's always going to be some clerical error, 00:37:50
some kind of thing that comes up. 00:37:54
And what we can assure you is that at the end of the day. 00:37:58
The second that somebody brings it to us. 00:38:01
We're going to fix it. 00:38:03
And that's how we're going to always act. 00:38:04
We can't promise that we won't make mistakes, but when we do, we're going to fix it, and I think that's what makes. 00:38:06
Our atmosphere and our culture, so great. 00:38:11
And the idea that we can work on things even if it takes a little bit of time. 00:38:14
Our staff is really proactive about making that happen and I think did a really good job. 00:38:18
The staff worked so hard on this and they did require that my signature went on it and I was happy to. 00:38:23
Put a stamp on. 00:38:28
The incredible work that the staff did to make sure that. 00:38:30
We were doing the things that the auditor suggested. 00:38:33
Where even better and more compliant and doing the things that. 00:38:35
Puts our city facing in the most transparent means possible. 00:38:39
See, with that, we'll go ahead and we will move to. 00:38:44
Mayor. Mayor, if I may. 00:38:48
Yeah, please go ahead. You had noted that it was an 80% increase, but. 00:38:49
Looked at my numbers again, it was only 64%. 00:38:54
Setting 64% is still big and I'm really amazing, but it's not quite not quite 80%. All right. Thank you for clarifying that. I 00:38:56
don't want to be misquoted. 00:39:01
So all right with that, Eric, you had a small. 00:39:06
Thing that you would. 00:39:10
You wanted to present. 00:39:11
With an update on some construction. 00:39:13
Thank you. We just wanted to make sure that this was. 00:39:20
As out of that public as we could. 00:39:22
We've got Main Street construction. 00:39:25
Taking place tomorrow from 11:00 AM until 2. 00:39:28
PM So this is. 00:39:32
Both lanes of traffic, we're going to have detour signs up so that people have a route. 00:39:33
Around this construction site but. 00:39:38
But it was a. 00:39:40
It was the best option to do. 00:39:42
Both lanes at once for the best product and delivery of the. 00:39:45
Pavey And so that happens from 11:00 AM to 2:00 PM tomorrow. 00:39:48
Kerbin gutter work and roadway grading. 00:39:54
And then we'll have a full closure. 00:39:57
For Saturday from 7:00 AM to 5:00 PM. 00:40:00
For that final paving. 00:40:03
And curing of the asphalt. 00:40:05
And did I miss anything? 00:40:08
That's it. Thank you. 00:40:11
OK, Oh, there was one more thing that I wanted to address when it comes to changing laws. We can't control everybody's goals or 00:40:13
what they're doing to change laws, but what we can do our best to do. 00:40:17
Is work with the entities and abide by. 00:40:22
The laws that we do have, and I think what's great is. 00:40:25
Vineyard has always been forward. 00:40:28
Basing on working with the entities. 00:40:30
That we have the opportunity to be a part of our community and we'll continue to do so. 00:40:32
We'll move on to our consent items. We have a few consent items. 00:40:37
Would anybody like to make a motion or pull anything off for discussion? 00:40:41
I'm comfortable that I'd make a motion if everyone else is. 00:40:49
Great. Go ahead, Marty. 00:40:52
I moved to adopt and approve the consent items as presented. 00:40:53
All right, we have our first by Marty. Can I get a second? 00:40:57
Second, Second by Sarah. I'm going to do it by roll call just in case. 00:41:00
Sarah yes. 00:41:05
Marty yes. 00:41:07
Yes, Brett. 00:41:09
Hi. 00:41:11
All right, that brings us to. 00:41:13
Our appointments. 00:41:16
Eric, did you want to present a little bit about? 00:41:18
The appointment Correct. Call to the Vineyard Hearing officer. 00:41:20
Position so Craig call. 00:41:24
The city put out an RFP once a year. We. 00:41:27
We put out an RFP to have an attorney. 00:41:30
Who can act as a? 00:41:33
As a hearing officer for the city. 00:41:34
As an independent from the city so that if. 00:41:36
Any issues rise to the level where. 00:41:40
And a resident needs an. 00:41:42
Deal or an ethical hearing on something? 00:41:44
This individual. 00:41:48
Is on an on call basis. 00:41:49
To act as our. 00:41:51
Hearing officer and so. 00:41:53
In this situation. 00:41:55
Craig Call was not only a. 00:41:57
A perfectly. 00:41:59
A capable individual for the role that he was the only one that applied for it and so. 00:42:02
We wanted to appoint him for this upcoming year. 00:42:06
OK, Council, do you have any questions about this or do can you make an? 00:42:09
A motion. The only question I have hearing that he's the only one who applied is if we're doing this every year, how can we get 00:42:16
more people? 00:42:20
To apply. 00:42:24
I'd like a choice. 00:42:26
Yeah, I don't. I don't know the answer to that. 00:42:30
The the way that an RFP works is that. 00:42:33
You put it out there to the public and you can get 100 responses or you can get one response and. 00:42:35
And you evaluate what you receive. And so it is the public process that is the most. 00:42:41
Open to individuals. 00:42:46
For whatever that may be for a contract or for. 00:42:49
In this case. 00:42:52
Hearing officer SO. 00:42:53
In the future. 00:42:54
Yeah. Now I'll add to how we have this one set up so we can do as often as we want, but we have it set up so we can. 00:42:57
Retain him for four years. 00:43:03
Which is also good because it gives us some concern. 00:43:04
Consistency if we have an appeal, but we can also. 00:43:06
You know, we'd be able to pull in others as well. And so if we. 00:43:11
You know, we're half of the services. We, I don't think anything would prohibit us from. 00:43:16
Pulling in another some cities will. 00:43:21
Have multiple I know they'll they'll. 00:43:23
Them out in this case and this was the last time too. 00:43:25
We had we had an attorney on the. 00:43:30
Our contract mail and mailing out got 1 so I don't think there's a ton of people that specialize in this but. 00:43:33
He is someone who's very qualified so. 00:43:40
Yeah, I wasn't. Oh, go ahead. If we could choose without having to go through a process. 00:43:43
He would likely be the. 00:43:48
The rock star of. 00:43:50
Of the land use attorney world and. 00:43:51
Would we would want to choose him and so it was fortunate that. 00:43:53
That we were able to retain him for those services. 00:43:57
Yeah, I feel like. 00:44:00
Please make your comment because. 00:44:01
Request. I was just going to say that that I mean, that's great if that if that if. 00:44:03
If he's the rock star of that world, which sounds very niche. 00:44:08
And and he's the one who applied then I guess wearing. 00:44:11
In good shape. 00:44:15
Clark Hall comes highly recommended. 00:44:16
That was what I was going to add. 00:44:18
He has experience in land use and if you. 00:44:20
If you have the opportunity to go and read his. 00:44:23
Credentials and then. 00:44:27
Go and call his recommendations, which I'm sure you. 00:44:29
Did the ones that were available but. 00:44:32
If you go and you look at a CV. 00:44:35
He is well known across the state for things that directly. 00:44:37
Effect here. 00:44:42
Our RDA. 00:44:43
Land use. 00:44:45
Just kind of the. 00:44:47
Political nature of the changing environment and the policy. 00:44:49
That's here. I think he'll serve the city really well. 00:44:53
And I was really happy to see so many people felt that way about him across the. 00:44:56
OK, any. 00:45:02
Other comments. That's a great comment, but thank you for bringing that up. 00:45:04
If not, can I get a motion? 00:45:10
I moved to offer. 00:45:14
The city manager's appointment of Craig calls the Vineyard hearing officer. 00:45:16
Thank you. We have a first by Sarah. 00:45:19
Do we have a second? 00:45:22
2nd. 00:45:24
OK. Thank you, Brett. 00:45:25
Any other discussion? 00:45:27
OK, if not all to roll call Jake. 00:45:29
Aye. 00:45:32
Hi, Marty. 00:45:33
Sarah Aye. 00:45:35
All right. This brings us to the discussion in action on our settlement agreement and I'm going to turn the time over to our City 00:45:36
Attorney. 00:45:39
Do you like sleep? 00:45:43
Thank you, Mayor. 00:45:45
There we have a former employee. 00:45:48
By the name of Sullivan Love. 00:45:51
And Mr. Love had scheduled. 00:45:53
For this coming Friday, an appeal of. 00:45:56
His termination of employment with the city. 00:46:00
And we have had discussions with Mr. Love. 00:46:03
He's represented by council. 00:46:06
And his attorney has proposed settlement. 00:46:08
On terms that are acceptable to the city, I want to read the agreement rather than. 00:46:12
Restated I'm not going to read the boilerplate, but I'll read the. 00:46:16
The beginning terms just so you can. 00:46:19
Herein it could be made part of the record. 00:46:22
It this severance agreement and release of all claims is made by and between Soul and Love and Vineyard City. 00:46:24
WHEREAS on January 21, 2025, Vineyard terminated left employment. 00:46:30
Whereas, Love timely appealed this termination and requested a post termination due process hearing that was scheduled for June 00:46:36
27, 2025. 00:46:40
Whereas the party's desire to resolve the matter without a hearing, upon consideration and on the terms of. 00:46:45
Conditions set forth below. 00:46:50
And then the terms are. 00:46:53
As it relates to Mr. Love's employment status. 00:46:55
The city's records still indicate that Love voluntarily resigned. 00:46:58
Determination in pre disciplinary letter, decision letter, employee termination. 00:47:02
Document. 00:47:06
And any other similar documentation will be removed from his personnel file or in. 00:47:08
Or other similarly help file. 00:47:12
And vineyards employment records to indicate that love voluntarily resigned. 00:47:14
There's more of that paragraph, but it's essentially that same. 00:47:20
Provision There will be a settlement payment to Mr. Love of $60,000 in a lump sum. 00:47:26
Via 1099. 00:47:33
The appeal hearing is withdrawn. 00:47:35
Both parties release all claims against one another. 00:47:38
And then the remainder is boilerplate that relates to things like the governing law, the entire agreement. 00:47:43
And the like so. 00:47:49
That's the agreement that. 00:47:52
That is being put forward for you to consider. 00:47:53
All right, Council, is there any discussion that you would like? 00:47:59
To have on this or can I have a motion? 00:48:02
Go ahead, Jake. 00:48:14
Go first. Please do. 00:48:16
I wish Sullivan was here. 00:48:20
There's probably three people in the city that have built more for this city than Sullivan love. 00:48:23
Leave right up there in the top five. 00:48:30
His love. 00:48:33
Care for the city. 00:48:36
It goes above the relationship just because. 00:48:40
If he felt like I was doing something wrong, he would tell me to my face. 00:48:43
That's a high character person. 00:48:48
We had some online battles. 00:48:52
Epic. 00:48:55
But that's because he. 00:48:57
He would always try to get us to go better. 00:48:59
I'm grateful that this allows Mr. Sullivan to talk. 00:49:02
And the city to talk. I don't. I don't. 00:49:06
Agree with. 00:49:08
I don't like Nbas. 00:49:10
I'm happy that Mister Sullivan drafted this settlement on it and. 00:49:13
Turned it over to us with no changes so that it was on his. 00:49:18
Terms and that he's. 00:49:21
That he was the one that did that. 00:49:23
I struggle with. 00:49:27
Losing Sullivan low. 00:49:32
Is probably the biggest part that angered me. In the meeting, Marty asked me how I was going to vote. 00:49:34
And it was just more of like, I'm more angry that he's not here than. 00:49:39
And that the problem couldn't have been just solved. 00:49:44
Because I felt like. 00:49:47
His years. 00:49:49
Of intricate knowledge of where wells are where. 00:49:52
Right of ways are what problems? What contract is lost? 00:49:55
So I disagree I. 00:49:59
I you know, when, when this happened, this was the first time I'd heard that there was an issue this big to lose them so. 00:50:03
That's my comment. 00:50:10
I just want them to make sure that he understands the love of the people and I know a lot of people on social media really care 00:50:12
for him so. 00:50:15
OK, umm. 00:50:26
You know, I want to say I like, I love Sullivan more than you. 00:50:34
I I am Sullivan and I had a great relationship. 00:50:38
He was. 00:50:42
Always a friendly face. 00:50:43
Always great to work with. 00:50:45
We didn't have epic battles. We had great conversations and. 00:50:46
Um, it was. 00:50:51
So. 00:50:53
Sad to me that we. 00:50:54
That he's not here and. 00:50:56
But at the same time. 00:50:59
I just wish him the best and. 00:51:01
It's unfortunate that things had to go this route. 00:51:04
But I'm just. 00:51:07
Sullivan if you're watching. 00:51:10
Hope you're having a good day and. 00:51:12
He was like, it's not a funeral. 00:51:14
To me, this feels fair. 00:51:24
I think it feels fair and it feels right it. 00:51:25
Helps Sullivan. It helps everything. 00:51:28
Kind of. 00:51:30
Recoup and and move forward. 00:51:31
I as well, I love Sullivan. 00:51:35
Even even during the campaign when. 00:51:37
We argued he was always he was always kind, he was always nice and. 00:51:39
After sitting in this chair, he. 00:51:43
He was even more so so just. 00:51:46
A great man and. 00:51:49
I think I wish him all the best and. 00:51:50
I feel like this will help him move forward in a good direction and. 00:51:52
Hope you really enjoyed his cruise. 00:51:56
Thank you. 00:52:00
He was actually one of my first introductions to staff after moving into the city. So I mean I. 00:52:02
The guy got around with the. 00:52:08
With the residents. 00:52:11
People knew who he was. 00:52:12
Or know who he is. 00:52:14
Again, it felt like a memorial. Doesn't that doesn't feel right? 00:52:16
But yeah, I, I. 00:52:21
It's really unfortunate that we are where we are. 00:52:23
But I do think that. 00:52:26
The again knowing that the. 00:52:28
Settlement was drafted by Sullivan and his council. 00:52:30
It makes me feel a lot better about moving forward with it. 00:52:35
Yeah, I I will echo the words that Sullivan was a long term employee that did a lot of good and it is an unfortunate situation 00:52:41
that happened. 00:52:45
What I think is fair here is that both sides were able to. 00:52:50
With mutual understanding and. 00:52:55
Trying to portray mutual respect. 00:52:57
And I think that. 00:53:00
Is meaningful. 00:53:03
In this because these situations are never easy and. 00:53:04
A. 00:53:10
There are things that happen on both sides and we're really grateful that you guys were able to all. 00:53:14
Work together. I think that says a lot about our culture and our city. 00:53:19
Even as we have to part ways with each other, we can do it. 00:53:24
In a way that's mutually beneficial. 00:53:27
And I think that's. 00:53:30
Respectful and important. 00:53:31
And with that. 00:53:33
Council, I need a motion. 00:53:35
I moved to adopt A settlement agreement as presented. 00:53:42
All right. Thank you. We have our first by Sarah. Can I get a second? 00:53:47
2nd. 00:53:50
Thank you, Brett. 00:53:51
This is done by roll call. 00:53:52
Jake, aye. 00:53:54
Brett aye. 00:53:56
I am Marty. 00:53:57
Sarah Aye. 00:53:59
All right, this brings us to. 00:54:01
To 10.2. 00:54:03
This is a resolution of the Vineyard City Council accepting the audit report #25-02 from the Utah State Auditor. 00:54:06
Resolution 2025-33, similar to how we do our annual audit report. 00:54:13
So what we're going to do is we're going to start out by having Christy give us. 00:54:19
A little. 00:54:22
Update on. 00:54:23
Their work together as they came to these. 00:54:25
Resolutions. 00:54:27
Thank you, Mayor. 00:54:32
I do want to. 00:54:35
Express my gratitude. 00:54:36
To the City Council and the mayor for being so forward thinking a year and a half ago when they brought on an RDA director. 00:54:38
In the past, the finance director was trying to do everything plus the RDA. 00:54:45
And icing. 00:54:49
Them bringing Justin as long as the RDA director. 00:54:50
Was very wise. 00:54:53
As you can see, he's able to get in and look at all of the court cases and. 00:54:55
And do the legal side of things. 00:54:58
That someone in my shoes is not qualified to do so. Thank you for getting forward thinking. 00:55:00
Right now I would like to just go through and spend a few minutes talking about. 00:55:06
The auditor report from our side to hopefully make some clarifications, because I believe that there's again some 00:55:11
misunderstandings. 00:55:14
That are out there. 00:55:18
So I would just like to walk through. 00:55:19
Isn't right letting me do it? 00:55:23
Maybe. 00:55:31
Sorry, technical difficulties. Hold on just one moment. 00:55:37
OK, perfect. 00:55:49
Thank you. I appreciate your help. Alright. 00:55:51
So many of you are aware. 00:55:54
That we have 3 findings that we receive. 00:55:56
It's just choosing which. 00:55:59
Screaming the one listen. 00:56:01
Thank you. 00:56:04
We have 3 findings and two observations that were made by the State Auditor's office. 00:56:05
And so I wanted to just walk through those briefly. 00:56:10
And, umm. 00:56:13
Oh no, it's not doing that. 00:56:15
There we go. 00:56:21
Sorry for all this trouble. 00:56:22
So I'm just going to spend a few minutes talking about the transparency reporting. 00:56:25
As you can see up here. 00:56:29
Vineyards fiscal year is from July 1st. 00:56:32
To June 30th every year. 00:56:35
The state Auditor's office has required and has for. 00:56:37
Many years now. 00:56:41
That. 00:56:42
Each quarter. 00:56:43
30 days after the end of the. 00:56:44
Quarter, we submit a report to Transparent Utah. 00:56:46
So our year end report is due by June. 00:56:51
Sorry, July 30th. 00:56:55
We are not done with our year end. 00:56:57
Transactions. Uh. 00:57:00
There are accruals that have to happen. 00:57:02
There are adjustments, there's interfund transfers, there's many things that that. 00:57:04
Happens in preparation for doing the financial statements. 00:57:09
Financial statements are not usually complete until about 3:00 to four months. 00:57:12
After year end. 00:57:17
At which point we then present them to be audited. 00:57:18
So when I submit that report. 00:57:21
On July 30th, it is not what is going to end up in financial statements. 00:57:23
The second note that I have up there is. 00:57:28
If you are not compliant. 00:57:31
With this reporting. 00:57:33
Then they withdraw. 00:57:34
They will withhold yourself tax renewal until you become compliant. You have 60 days to become compliant. 00:57:37
We reported. 00:57:43
All reports were submitted. 00:57:45
On time. 00:57:47
No sales tax. 00:57:48
Was withheld for non compliance. 00:57:49
They had mentioned that we could go in and delete reports. We were not aware of that before. 00:57:54
As soon as I was told that by the state auditor's office. 00:57:58
I did go in and removed all the prior years quarterly reports. 00:58:02
Replaced them with an annual one. 00:58:06
That matches the financial statements which have also been uploaded to the. 00:58:08
The state auditor's website. 00:58:12
So every year the completed audited financial statements. 00:58:14
That include all of the extra transactions that happen after that. 00:58:18
That quarter end. 00:58:22
Are included in the financial statements that were uploaded to the state auditor's office. 00:58:23
Sorry, can I ask for clarity? 00:58:27
So you're saying that our. 00:58:29
State finance supports that have all of those things were. 00:58:31
Currently on. 00:58:36
The state auditor. 00:58:38
But the air? 00:58:39
Was that? 00:58:41
Even though those had been there annually. 00:58:43
This annual on Utah transparency. 00:58:45
Wasn't reported. 00:58:48
Because we didn't know we could delete it. 00:58:50
Yes, OK. 00:58:52
So they had it, they just didn't have it in there. They had it in the form of a. 00:58:53
Audited financial statements OK did not have the detail on the transparency website. 00:58:57
Because we did not know that we could go in and delete quarterly reports. 00:59:02
And then upload an annual after the financial statements were done. 00:59:06
I've since been made aware that we can do that. 00:59:10
By May 12th I had all of that taken care of and uploaded. 00:59:13
On May 22nd, the auditor sent the auditor's office sent out an auditor alert. 00:59:17
Because they recognized that this was a statewide problem. 00:59:24
Not just a Vineyard City problem. 00:59:27
And so they. 00:59:30
The information out so that everyone would know. 00:59:32
You can delete that report. 00:59:34
And upload your quarterly reports. 00:59:36
On June. 00:59:38
So and when that auditor alert came out, we were already compliant like I said. 00:59:39
By May 12. 00:59:43
We were compliant as soon as they told me we could do that. 00:59:44
So. 00:59:47
The insinuation that Vineyard was doing something nefarious. 00:59:49
And that former finance directors as well as myself. 00:59:53
We're doing something to hide information is absolutely false. 00:59:56
I can speak to my integrity and those that have come before me and this was just a misunderstanding and like I said, it was 01:00:00
statewide. 01:00:04
Going forward, we will remove the quarterly reports and upload an annual report after the financial statements are complete. 01:00:08
Again, this is usually around November. 01:00:13
So we will go in at that time. 01:00:17
So then the numbers that are on transparency. 01:00:19
Match what is in the financial statement that we are also report required by law. 01:00:22
To upload to their website. 01:00:27
That's all I'm going to say about that. 01:00:30
No, no. 01:00:36
OK. 01:00:40
I have so much information here. 01:00:43
Sorry, no, I do post quarterly reports. Sorry. There was a, there was a comment in the public that wondered if there was going to 01:00:51
be postings of quarterly reports. There was a little bit of confusion. 01:00:56
Christine, now you can clarify. 01:01:02
We will continue to upload quarterly reports like we've always done. 01:01:03
But then when the audited financial statements are done sometime November, December. 01:01:07
I will then go on delete the four quarterly reports. 01:01:12
And put one annual report in their place. 01:01:15
And we do have to delete the four quarterly reports, otherwise things are double stated on their website. 01:01:18
So, all right, thank you, Christy. 01:01:24
The next one. 01:01:30
That's what I want. Thank you. 01:01:36
OK, the next. 01:01:38
Two findings that we got from the state auditor's office. I feel like we've talked about them a lot this evening already. 01:01:40
So I just want to make a few comments. 01:01:46
Finding both of these were related to the RDA. 01:01:48
Finding number. 01:01:51
Who was the involvement of the RDA Taxing Entity Committee? 01:01:53
In response to that, I would like to comment that texting into the committee was formed and completed the tasks that were relevant 01:01:56
to their formation. 01:02:01
They did what they were asked to do. 01:02:05
An annual meeting would have taken place during 2012. 01:02:08
A Senate bill in 2011 changed the the legislation allowed for the RDA. 01:02:13
To provide informational reports in place of this meeting. 01:02:18
And there is a link that's shared right there. 01:02:22
You can go on and see the last 10 years of the reports on the Utah County Auditor website. I think Josh mentioned that earlier. 01:02:25
That's where they were prior reported. 01:02:33
And they only keep 10 years, so you can't go back before 2015. 01:02:35
And going forward, we are going to look for additional ways to continue informational engagement with our taxing entities that we. 01:02:40
Coordinate with. 01:02:47
Do you mind just going back one slide so I can look at the numbers really quick? 01:02:48
No, right there. 01:02:56
Would you like me to explain a little bit about this? 01:02:59
Yeah. Yes, I think that would be really helpful. OK. 01:03:01
As was reported by the state auditors office on social media. I understand. 01:03:06
There was this $35 million discrepancy. 01:03:11
So what I have done on this slide is I have pulled up. 01:03:15
The one year that had the highest discrepancy. 01:03:18
To show you what that was. 01:03:20
So you can see that there is a revenue and expense column. 01:03:22
The Rose the 1st 4 columns are the. 01:03:26
Quarterly reports that were submitted. 01:03:30
On by the deadline and on time. 01:03:32
The blue column shows the total that was reported quarterly using those 4 quarterly reports. 01:03:35
The Peach color is what was recorded on the. 01:03:42
Annual. 01:03:46
That replaced those 4 quarterly reports. 01:03:47
And then the difference. 01:03:51
You can see on the right. 01:03:53
And what I want to point out in doing this. 01:03:56
It was reported that there was 17,000,000. 01:03:59
Dollars in payments to. 01:04:02
Developers. 01:04:05
And that is absolutely not the case. 01:04:07
First thing I want to point out. 01:04:09
This was for all of. 01:04:10
So this whole difference, this whole report. 01:04:13
Was our water fund, our sewer fund, our general fund, the RDA. So this is a complete this is. 01:04:15
Citywide. 01:04:21
The other thing I wanted to talk about was the reasons this would happen. But it's also RDA, right? 01:04:22
So both of our books, the RDA and the city were both off right that that. 01:04:28
17,000,000. 01:04:33
The books were not off. 01:04:34
The the reporting to the state of state transparency was offered. I'll clarify. I think what he's saying is. 01:04:36
This includes, like you were saying, both. 01:04:44
City Council funds and RDA funds, It's actually worse than what the auditor said because the auditor is saying that only the Jake. 01:04:46
No, Jake, it's not worse. Let me finish this. That's OK. Hey, Jake. But what you're clarifying is that. 01:04:53
This is an. This is. 01:04:59
All of the extent or All right, all of the fence. OK what Yeah, what I'm saying is is that the. 01:05:01
Recording of the city was wrong as well, in addition to the RDA. 01:05:07
Let's let Christy finish, because I wonder. I wonder if she. 01:05:11
Well, answer your question. Oh, hold on one second. I wonder if she'll be able to answer some of your questions or clarify what 01:05:14
you're saying. 01:05:18
On through her report. 01:05:22
Thank you. 01:05:24
So if you recall, it was reported that there was $17 million. 01:05:26
That had gone. 01:05:30
To developers. 01:05:31
That 17,000,000 that we were off. 01:05:33
Was actually 14,000,000 revenue. 01:05:35
That we had had come in after year end. 01:05:38
Year end accruals that were done for the different reasons, I have them listed up on the right. 01:05:41
Whenever we get property sales, franchise taxes, BNC Rd. funds. 01:05:45
Those all have to be accrued back into the year. 01:05:49
That they were meant to be received. 01:05:52
I think I've explained before that taxes are offset. 01:05:55
Like 2 months. 01:05:57
So the taxes that the Utah State Tax Commission Commission collected in May and June. 01:05:59
Will not be distributed to. 01:06:04
To Vineyard until July and August. 01:06:06
And as we have done in past years and will continue to do. 01:06:09
We will do journal entries. 01:06:12
To move those taxes. 01:06:14
Back in. 01:06:15
To the prior year. 01:06:16
When we have our final distribution in August, that is for the prior year. 01:06:19
So that is very common. This happens in all. 01:06:23
Cities do this all the time. 01:06:26
There is also land and infrastructure donations. 01:06:27
Well, that is not cash coming in. It is included in the revenue numbers. 01:06:31
And then and kind of I put interfund transfers in between revenues and expenses. 01:06:36
Because it can be both. 01:06:40
As the general fund pays the internal service fund. 01:06:42
For their services. 01:06:46
It's an expense for the general fund. 01:06:48
That the internal service fund is receiving the money and so it is actually a revenue for them. 01:06:51
So interfund transfers can be both a revenue and an expense. 01:06:56
And then the. 01:07:01
And says total. 01:07:02
That we were off on our reporting was 3.3 million. 01:07:04
And that is usually the. 01:07:07
Appreciation is something that you only record annually. 01:07:09
It goes back and it actually divides it out and puts it monthly, but that is something that doesn't happen until you get to the 01:07:12
end of your. 01:07:15
Process right before you do your financial statements. 01:07:19
Interest and payroll and vendor accounts. 01:07:22
We get invoices from vendors in. 01:07:25
August. 01:07:28
That were for services that were completed before the end of the year, by before June 30th. 01:07:29
And so we have to date those invoices. 01:07:34
Even though we may pay that invoice in August. 01:07:37
The service was in. 01:07:39
So we have to move those expenses back. 01:07:41
So that's. 01:07:44
Same thing with interest that's earned. 01:07:46
And the same thing happens with their payroll. 01:07:48
Often payroll overlaps fiscal years. 01:07:50
And so when we run our first payroll in July. 01:07:53
It will cover part of June. 01:07:56
Year end and so then we will take the. 01:07:58
Portion that applies to June and we will move it with a journal entry. 01:08:01
Back into. 01:08:04
Yeah, OK. Jake, did you have a comment? 01:08:06
Yeah, when I saw the social media post, I was actually like, you're minimizing it because you're saying that the problem is 01:08:09
isolated into the RDA. 01:08:13
And then and I was like, no, the issue is permeated through the city and the RDA. It's worse than that. 01:08:17
The same dollar amount. 01:08:23
The 35,000,000 is is the correct amount. 01:08:24
With different things, but it's just. 01:08:28
But the second part that. 01:08:30
I never got an answer form from the auditor was. 01:08:31
If if these were late payments, why weren't they picked up in the following? 01:08:35
Quarter. 01:08:40
Is that your comment? 01:08:41
Yeah, because they it. 01:08:43
Because. 01:08:44
Let's say it was a late payment. 01:08:45
OK, great. It was in August. 01:08:48
That would have been an added into the next quarter and at least over the. 01:08:50
Course of the eight years. 01:08:53
35,000,000 would have been. 01:08:55
Accounted for, but it wasn't. 01:08:57
So it was not on one, but it wasn't on the other either. Hold on one second. Thank you. 01:08:59
Check your comment. 01:09:04
Crispy can get to it in a minute, but did you have something to ask? Well. 01:09:05
I I just want to say I. 01:09:08
I want to take a guess at why that happened. 01:09:11
And and see if and I don't even answer tonight, I just. 01:09:13
Well, I to me it's kind of obvious because. 01:09:17
At the end of the. 01:09:21
The fiscal year quarter. 01:09:23
Then those payments come in after the after the end of the fiscal year. 01:09:25
And as part of the annual reporting, she's backdating those with journal entries. 01:09:29
To a previous quarter, so when the new quarter comes in. 01:09:34
Those transactions have argued. 01:09:38
Is that am I? Am I close? 01:09:41
When I go into Polaris, our finance system, I literally click on a button and I say create the transparent report. 01:09:43
And I tell it the time frame that I'm looking at. 01:09:50
So when I report. 01:09:52
By July 30th. Usually do it sooner than that. 01:09:54
I say I want the prior quarter. 01:09:57
These are the dates and I click on a button. 01:09:59
It creates a file. 01:10:02
That I then upload to the transparency website. 01:10:03
The state auditor then has to accept my file. 01:10:07
And post it on their website. 01:10:11
They have to look at it and say yes, it meets all the criteria, blah blah. 01:10:13
And then they put it on the website. 01:10:16
Thus the confusion on why we didn't know we could. 01:10:18
Delete report. 01:10:21
Because in order to put them on. 01:10:22
Had to go through their office to be approved to be put on there. 01:10:24
I guess hold on one minute. 01:10:31
And there is. So when we do the report on July 30th, we have. 01:10:35
Revenues that come in and again I want to talk about the 17,000,000 because the 17 million in fiscal year 22. 01:10:38
Was half of the 35,000,000 that they're talking about? 01:10:45
And 14 million of that was money coming in. It was revenues, it was not expenses. 01:10:48
Usually revenue and expense offsets. 01:10:54
You bring in more money, you know, expenses go out. So really we're talking about $11 million difference. 01:10:57
Of which 14 million of it was the revenue that was coming in. 01:11:03
That was adjusted. 01:11:07
And the rest was expenses going out. OK, so? 01:11:08
Oh, go ahead, Sarah. So that means they added, because there was. 01:11:11
There was a difference in reporting of 35 million. 01:11:15
But 17 was revenue. 01:11:18
And am I and 14 with? 01:11:20
Expensive. 01:11:23
I know it's kind of hard to see on there. 01:11:25
But. 01:11:26
In one year in fiscal year 22, which was the largest discrepancy? 01:11:27
They said that there was a $17 million difference. 01:11:32
But 14 million of that was revenue coming in. 01:11:36
And they added that difference. Usually they offset each other and that's not what they reported. They said there's $17 million 01:11:40
different. 01:11:44
14 million of that was revenue. 01:11:48
Only 3.3 million. 01:11:50
Across the whole city, this is all funds across the whole city was 3.3 million. 01:11:52
That's actually really helpful. So they're just adding up. 01:11:59
Like it's not the total dollar amount necessarily, it's just. 01:12:02
Correct, taking each line item well, and it wasn't kind of confusing. 01:12:05
OK, so the clarity, the clarity to Jake's. 01:12:09
Question was that? 01:12:13
You are. 01:12:15
You were putting in the quarterly reports according to the months that were available. 01:12:16
And that is why we weren't. 01:12:21
Seeing them in an annual because there was no annual and they weren't. 01:12:23
Added into the next. 01:12:26
First quarter. 01:12:28
Because that's not the time frame of first quarter. 01:12:29
And This is why you approach them and said I don't know how to make these numbers right because it's on your website. 01:12:33
But it's not in the transparency. 01:12:38
Documents. 01:12:41
OK, but we still take this that. 01:12:42
Answer your question for well, we still haven't gotten into why wouldn't it just been picked up in the next quarter. 01:12:44
That's what I that's where I want to. I mean I took my gas, but I would never really heard if my guess if you're off an expense 01:12:50
that is incurred in the prior year has to be recorded. 01:12:55
In the prior year by law. 01:13:01
You, you and for budget budgeting, but the mistake still would have been in there, right? So, so it's not a mistake so. 01:13:03
So if we if we had to pay out $100,000 that was incurred? 01:13:09
On June 15th. 01:13:13
But it was paid out. 01:13:15
And on August 3rd. 01:13:17
There's simply a discrepancy in the reporting system. 01:13:19
That we had to submit our report by June 30th. 01:13:23
Or July 30th. 01:13:26
And the actual expense was? 01:13:28
Took place. 01:13:32
So that it's simply a discrepancy in when the reports. 01:13:35
Do and and when the payment is made? 01:13:38
Well, I think what we can be really excited about. 01:13:42
And where we can come together is. 01:13:45
I'm glad that was that $17 million being paid to developers. 01:13:47
I like the quote below. 01:13:51
Is that a third party? 01:13:53
Yes, this is we have been working with a third party. 01:13:56
Auditor CPA and this is I would like to share that quote if that's OK with you. 01:14:00
I sent this information over to him to review as well to make sure that there was something that I hadn't missed or not thought 01:14:05
of. 01:14:07
And he said as we suspected. 01:14:10
The items not included in the quarterly reports are the items that look to be accruals for revenues and expenditures, which are 01:14:12
part of normal operations. 01:14:17
As revenues are not always received within a month after quarter end. 01:14:21
As well as expenses. 01:14:25
Vendors do not always provide invoices in a timely manner. 01:14:27
The annual upload to replace the quarterly reports will correct for all of those differences going forward. 01:14:30
Well, thank you. Thank you for working with a third party. 01:14:37
Thank you for clarifying how the expenses and revenues come in. 01:14:40
And sewing. 01:14:44
The normal process of the city and thank you for. 01:14:46
Uploading those reports and getting us back where we need to be on that site. 01:14:50
It's really nice to know that they were already available on different sites. We appreciate that and it's nice to. 01:14:53
To have a solution to that. 01:14:59
That disparity? 01:15:02
So thank you you guys. I just want to answer your question. 01:15:03
Yeah, I was going to say I I still don't know. I I think I understand. 01:15:06
Better now. 01:15:11
OK, so if we get an invoice in August that was for June, we have to date that invoice in June. 01:15:12
So that expense when in August is actually going to be showing up in June. 01:15:20
It's not going to be in August. 01:15:25
So when I run my first quarter report and I say. 01:15:27
I need July 1st. 01:15:30
Through September 30th. 01:15:32
Those transactions are not in there because they were in the prior year. 01:15:33
Only by uploading an annual report and deleting the four quarterly reports. 01:15:38
Is it truly accurate and matches the financial and then they wouldn't exist in the previous quarterly report because they hadn't 01:15:42
happened yet. 01:15:45
Right, exactly. 01:15:48
Jake, does that answer the question right, but it allows the vendor to just. 01:15:50
The developer to say, hey, I'm going to hold on to this. And then that way it's not reported to the state, but it doesn't because 01:15:54
it's in the annual report. Even if it's well, but it was, it wasn't on it though. 01:15:59
It was. 01:16:05
Hold on, there's too many people talking at the same time, so there's too many. 01:16:07
People talking at the same time, so I'm going to go and order. 01:16:11
I'm going to start with Brett. 01:16:13
And see if he can answer the question about the different documents. 01:16:16
Yeah. So, so from my perspective, in our annual audit, there is an annual report. It is available that someone can go and look 01:16:19
through and they could see all of the transactions. 01:16:24
I'm just talking about the the law that we broke, which was. 01:16:28
Transparency part. 01:16:32
I understand that it could have been another section, but what I'm saying is, is if the. 01:16:34
Developer or the vendor? 01:16:37
Holds that till the end. 01:16:39
It's not going to be on there, but now we've caught it. And so if we do this annually. 01:16:41
He The money that we're paying to them will be now disclosed. 01:16:46
OK, I think we can. I think. 01:16:49
I think that is is. 01:16:51
The agreement here is that. 01:16:52
On the Utah Transparency website. 01:16:54
There was the. 01:16:56
Annual report that wasn't uploaded because you didn't know that that was. 01:16:57
An opportunity for her. 01:17:01
And then I think we can agree with what Brett's. 01:17:03
Said which Christy, you can confirm that all of this is accurate. 01:17:05
That, umm. 01:17:09
There were already annual park. 01:17:10
Reports available on our side. 01:17:13
Site and the state auditor site that did this plant. 01:17:15
So there's no reason to withhold payment because they are public and transparent to the people. 01:17:18
That right because they are included in the audited financial statements. There was nothing that was kept out. We don't have two 01:17:22
sets of books. 01:17:26
So. 01:17:32
Not. Not right now, I'm sorry. 01:17:33
I am confused to me about that. 01:17:36
OK, but. 01:17:39
I mean, I understand that there's hold on. 01:17:41
Actually have a back and forth. 01:17:43
On this, but since this is really important for clarity, I'm going to allow it and I apologize I know that we're. 01:17:45
Late into the night, but I feel like this is important darlings. And you can go the microphone. 01:17:51
And state your name and where you're from. 01:17:56
I'm just thinking about. I use. I use a. 01:17:58
A Bank of Darlene Price. 01:18:01
Phyllis, I use a banking system. 01:18:04
To run my house. 01:18:07
And I I do get everything has to be done according to a month. 01:18:09
Right, so. 01:18:13
The bills that I pay go in that particular month because they're dated that month. 01:18:15
I have found that I do get bills from. 01:18:20
Other. 01:18:23
Places. 01:18:24
Electricity or whatever that are not dated. 01:18:27
For the quarter that they're supposed to be in? 01:18:31
And so I still have to go back and put those in that quarter so that when I run that report. 01:18:33
I have what was paid in that quarter, is that what you're saying? 01:18:40
That's the way government finances Yes, you accrue transactions back in your person. 01:18:44
Personal finance? No, no, no. Government finance, kind of like. 01:18:49
How I'm trying to understand what you are saying so that if you get a bill. 01:18:54
And if you, if you do the accrual, yes, you're doing the exact thing that we are. So if you get a bill that is dated. 01:18:59
Your first quarter ends in June 30th. 01:19:06
June 30th if you get a bill that is dated. 01:19:09
February 2nd of that year. 01:19:13
So sorry, yeah, you still have to put it back into February 2nd. 01:19:15
Right. Is that what I'm understanding? 01:19:20
OK. Yes, that's OK, because that has to go, right? 01:19:22
OK. OK. Thank you. Thank you for that clarity. I can see why things get so screwed up with that. 01:19:25
Yes, I. 01:19:31
That was that was a great question. Thank you. 01:19:32
Thank you. 01:19:35
Please, Eric, go ahead. 01:19:36
I just wanted to. 01:19:38
I wanted to make one other clarification. 01:19:39
Because there's the. 01:19:41
Kind of this insinuation that. 01:19:42
That developers are. 01:19:44
Potentially or vendors are potentially holding off until late in the year and that. 01:19:48
That a bulk of these transactions hypothetically might have been. 01:19:52
To track 2 developers. 01:19:55
We sorted. 01:19:57
The uh. 01:19:59
The 11189 transactions that took place. 01:20:00
After July 31st. 01:20:03
By dollar amount. 01:20:05
And as you go through that list. 01:20:07
The top of. 01:20:09
The top 42 goes from. 01:20:10
A $1.4 million payment down to. 01:20:12
Any payment after this is less than 20,000 so these. 01:20:16
Pretty minimal payments up. 01:20:19
Below this on the list. 01:20:21
And just really quickly. 01:20:23
We've got a debt service payment, a debt service payment, transfers to transportation fund. 01:20:25
Debt service Transportation fund. 01:20:30
Debt service Debt service Debt service. 01:20:32
Transfer to transportation fund. 01:20:35
And it goes down and we have debt service, we have depreciation. 01:20:37
As a bulk of those. 01:20:41
Not a single payment to a developer. 01:20:42
Shows up. 01:20:45
In those transactions that range from 20,000 up to 1.4 million. 01:20:46
So any. 01:20:50
Payments that may have gone. This is an FY22. 01:20:52
Here, that kind of stood out. 01:20:55
So any payments that may have gone to a developer would have been. 01:20:57
A minor payment an end of the year. 01:21:01
Final reimbursement or something like that? 01:21:03
That would have been at a dollar amount of less than 20,000. 01:21:05
Like we're talking about, I think the biggest mark is the 3.5 million off. 01:21:09
Year that this is the year that we're referring to. 01:21:14
Well, and I think no, that's a different year that's we. 01:21:17
The the bulk of the year of the 3.5 is to developers is what I was told when I reviewed it with the auditor. I think what's 01:21:20
interesting about this. 01:21:25
Is we started at this number $17 million all going to the audit, I mean all going to developers? 01:21:30
Think you guys have done a good job showing that this is standard procedures. 01:21:36
And now we see, oh I'm sorry, can I have my term face? 01:21:40
Difference from the meetings we have with the auditor. I just want to make sure like it. 01:21:45
You're saying this is common operating procedure? 01:21:49
And I just don't. 01:21:53
We we have to say. 01:21:54
It's not. 01:21:56
OK. Did you have anything more to add to that? 01:21:57
The way we're talking in this meeting and the way. 01:22:01
Like the second I got the letter, I walked. 01:22:04
Through it and it's like. 01:22:06
That is not the tone nor the seriousness. 01:22:08
Of what we've been found guilty of. 01:22:10
It's like we just have to get better. I understand that we're all. 01:22:12
Making mistakes. 01:22:16
But we just can't say that it. 01:22:17
You know. 01:22:21
Did you have anything more to add to that shape? 01:22:22
You know, I think that it'll be great for Marty and Brett to have a conversation with them directly on a. 01:22:26
I don't want to have a public fight about it ever. I I think their letter speaks for themselves. 01:22:32
Sarah, did you have something to add to that? 01:22:37
Well, just the discrepancy even. 01:22:41
Even the state auditor, she. 01:22:43
Added the revenues and the expenses together. 01:22:45
And made it and we knew that like that's. 01:22:47
Hold on, you made a comment. Let Sarah finish, please. And then somebody else is going to take their turn. 01:22:50
And that was it was you misinterpreted it, but I knew what it was. 01:22:54
Yeah, Sir, Sir, I'm sorry. 01:23:00
Just because we can't handle. 01:23:06
So many people talking at once. You have had a turn. Jake and I would like to give Sarah a turn now, OK. 01:23:08
Well, even she didn't recognize that she had added those two figures together and made it look like it was. 01:23:14
35,000,000 right, because add the revenue and the expenses together as. 01:23:19
As one big chunk that's missing because that's inaccurate information. 01:23:24
So she was, she was actually challenged online from some of the things that she was saying in her report. 01:23:28
So I feel like. 01:23:33
I feel like we have to be really careful when we move to. 01:23:34
Condemning before understanding. 01:23:37
Something that I want to make clear that I think is happening here is that. 01:23:39
Christy is saying. 01:23:43
We did fix. 01:23:44
The reports so that all. 01:23:46
All of the public reports. 01:23:48
Match each other. 01:23:50
Which is important. 01:23:51
And we can all agree there. 01:23:53
I think it's. 01:23:55
Fair for our finance director. 01:23:55
To make clear to us. 01:23:59
That she did not transmit payments. 01:24:01
In those amounts. 01:24:04
To only developers. 01:24:05
If there was a process because the idea that. 01:24:07
There is. 01:24:11
That clarity for us to understand where our finances are. 01:24:12
I think it's fair. 01:24:16
And to show both. 01:24:18
Trend revenues and expenditures and show what the categories are. 01:24:20
I think that's the transparency that the residents are looking for. 01:24:24
And to say those reports are available to them. 01:24:28
And now on an additional site. 01:24:32
They are also clarified. 01:24:34
And the annual report is in, so now you can access that report. 01:24:36
On our site. 01:24:40
And Utah transparency and on the state auditor site. 01:24:42
You can align them and match them together. 01:24:45
But what hasn't changed? 01:24:47
Is the payments. 01:24:48
And how reporting happens. 01:24:50
And so now we are all clear on that. 01:24:51
To keep on with the. 01:24:54
The Knights, I'm going to let you go to the. 01:24:55
The next thing, unless you're done with this. 01:24:58
There was, I think. Did you already mention the Third Point, which was the footnote? 01:25:01
I can just briefly talk about that. 01:25:08
So I did mention finding #2 regarding the TEC committee. 01:25:11
The other one was the Gatsby 77 note. 01:25:15
As defined, a tax abatement is a temporary reduction or elimination of taxes. 01:25:18
And an RDA developer reimbursement is actually? 01:25:25
Where government repays a real estate developer for expenses that they have already incurred to develop that land. 01:25:29
So we were interpreting the law differently. 01:25:36
Than the state auditor's office was and that's why we have not included it prior. 01:25:39
They have not requested that we go back and change all of our financial statements, but that starting this year. 01:25:44
We will include that note. 01:25:49
In the Gatsby 77 note. 01:25:51
Even though we still kind of disagree about what the definition is. 01:25:54
We will add that information. 01:25:57
As a note to the financial statements that are already over 60 pages long. 01:25:59
So, but it will be in there saying that that. 01:26:04
Clarifying the Gatsby. 01:26:07
Which is all we can do. 01:26:08
Again, I don't want to minimize that because. 01:26:10
Obviously, the interpretation is up to the state auditor, our interpretation, Mattereth not. 01:26:13
But it's very critical because this tells how much public dollars are going to a private entity. 01:26:17
And that's a big deal and. 01:26:24
When you say. 01:26:28
They're not making us go back. 01:26:29
In the conversations I had is because the books it would take so much of A financial lift to go back and and do that. 01:26:31
To report all of the public dollars going back. 01:26:39
But I hope that we can meet with the Taxing Entity committee. 01:26:42
And it would be good governance to disclose. 01:26:47
How much money of this RDA has in its totality gone to private development? 01:26:49
Because that is required by law, even though they're not found. 01:26:54
Forcing us to do that. 01:26:57
We can do that on our own. 01:26:59
And we're going. 01:27:02
No, I'm saying going back. 01:27:03
I'm not saying. 01:27:05
He's only requiring, they're only requiring us to go forward. 01:27:06
But that's a. 01:27:09
That's a lot of money that we've never disclosed. 01:27:10
OK, Yes, Josh is going to be updating some things on the website that will address your concerns. 01:27:14
OK, so but going forward. 01:27:19
I have spoken with the person who actually does our financial statements. They will add that note. 01:27:22
This year and going forward. So we are in compliance. I'm sorry, Christy, I don't understand. So I'd like a little bit of clarity. 01:27:26
We do disclose the payments. 01:27:34
That we make to all entities. 01:27:36
On all of our reports and we do it in our annual report to them. 01:27:38
And then additionally. 01:27:42
We approve them in public meetings. 01:27:44
So the footnote. 01:27:46
So the difference between those numbers or what exactly is being clarified I. 01:27:48
It would be helpful for me to understand and. 01:27:53
If we need time to review it, I understand, but. 01:27:55
I wouldn't want anybody to walk away from today thinking that we aren't. 01:27:58
Communicating with the. 01:28:02
The entities that we work with on a day-to-day basis. 01:28:04
Josh, RDA Director I can address the most questions we've been digging into this issue. 01:28:07
So, uh. 01:28:12
Gas Me 77 is concerned with what's called. 01:28:13
Foregone revenue. 01:28:16
The whole point of Gatsby 77. 01:28:19
Is to disclose the potential. 01:28:21
Investors in the city. 01:28:24
Bondholders. 01:28:25
About the revenue sources? 01:28:27
That the city would. 01:28:29
Otherwise get. 01:28:30
That they might not be getting. 01:28:32
So the whole idea is. 01:28:34
Are these public entities? 01:28:35
Potentially getting. 01:28:37
You know, less revenue. 01:28:39
Then they would otherwise get. 01:28:41
And that's where the foregone revenue. 01:28:43
Concept comes in. 01:28:46
And so Gatsby 77 says you have to disclose. 01:28:48
Your foregone revenue. 01:28:51
Which often comes in the form of a tax abatement. 01:28:54
And specifically, if those tax abatements are going back to certain parties? 01:28:57
Like in the case of an agreement with a developer where maybe you reduce the developers taxes. 01:29:02
Or you give the developer a rebate of their taxes. 01:29:07
Then you would disclose. 01:29:10
The nature of that agreement? 01:29:11
So there's a couple things going on. 01:29:14
Number one, the city. 01:29:17
Ought to be. It's sort of disclosing in the Gatsby 77 footnote. 01:29:20
The amount of its own city revenue. 01:29:25
That is, in a sense. 01:29:28
Diverted. 01:29:31
To RDA. 01:29:32
And that would be true of Utah County that has to do this. 01:29:34
Alpine School District have to do this. Central Utah Water would have to do that. 01:29:37
And then in addition to that. 01:29:40
If the city itself. 01:29:43
Was giving that tax revenue in this case to a developer, let's say, but it was a. 01:29:45
Because it was a tax. 01:29:48
A Bateman or a rebate? 01:29:50
Then some information would have to be shared. 01:29:52
The Gray area Christie's talking about. 01:29:54
That none of the agreements the RDA has with developers. 01:29:56
Are characterized as tax abatements or rebates. They are. 01:29:59
A payment for services rendered. 01:30:04
Of reimbursement of expenses incurred. 01:30:07
By the developer. 01:30:10
Gatsby 77 though, does have a catch all. 01:30:11
Concept that says. 01:30:14
That the way that you describe it doesn't matter. It's the substance. 01:30:18
And the state auditor's office had some guidance about. 01:30:23
Well, well, the guidance from the state auditor's office is really more about. 01:30:26
Cities and counties were. 01:30:32
Reporting how much? 01:30:33
Tax increment revenue on its behalf was going to Rdas. That's different than vineyards cities. 01:30:34
Obligation to report on behalf of the RDA. 01:30:43
The payments. 01:30:46
From the RDA. 01:30:47
So let me hear back if I'm understanding what you're saying. 01:30:49
In our case. 01:30:52
With an RDA. 01:30:53
We would show the diversion. 01:30:55
Of what would it simulate? 01:30:58
In the fund. 01:30:59
The. 01:31:00
And then we would basically say. 01:31:02
What we gave to developers that otherwise would sit in the Cities fund. 01:31:04
For us to go and do through another project. 01:31:08
Yeah, I would say. 01:31:11
Absolutely clear. Is that the Vineyard city? 01:31:12
Portion of the finance statement. 01:31:15
Should report certain numbers that we can get from the county. 01:31:18
Auditor's office. 01:31:21
On their tax reports. 01:31:23
Related to increment revenue. 01:31:26
The amount of increment paid on behalf of Vineyard as a taxing entity. 01:31:28
So that's for sure. Gotta be in there. 01:31:34
The question of. 01:31:36
The nature of the agreements where we're reimbursing developers for infrastructure expenses. 01:31:37
The question becomes, is that a tax abatement or a rebate of taxes? 01:31:45
And because in many cases the developers own or still own the property. 01:31:50
Upon which they made public improvements. 01:31:55
And those public improvements are? 01:31:59
To a degree reimbursed by the RDA. 01:32:01
I think it makes good sense going forward. 01:32:03
To report. 01:32:06
Those amounts that are paid. 01:32:07
And that both of those concepts of information would be in the Gatsby 77. 01:32:10
Disclosure. 01:32:15
And then just. 01:32:17
The broader point that Councilmember Holdaway brought up. 01:32:18
About uh. 01:32:21
Reporting what we are paying to developers. 01:32:22
We do have a lot of existing information in the annual report about. 01:32:25
The amounts that have been paid out on our reimbursement contracts. 01:32:29
And we are actually working on. 01:32:32
A much cleaner. 01:32:35
More clear, more robust, more informative document to assemble all of those annual reports into. Sort of. 01:32:37
One digestible document where you can just see the life of the RDA and say hey. 01:32:44
We've received this much increment. 01:32:48
We've spent it on these things. 01:32:50
We've we've paid pursuant to these contracts with these developers, these amounts in these years. 01:32:52
A lot of that information already exists in different places. 01:32:57
And I've nearly finished with something that I think will be. 01:33:01
Helpful to to that point to just, you know, provide something even. 01:33:04
Easier and clearer, which isn't itself compliant with Gatsby 77. Gatsby 77 has some. 01:33:10
More complicated requirements. 01:33:15
And it'll be harder to read. 01:33:17
Because that's how Gatsby 77. 01:33:18
Footnotes. 01:33:21
But. 01:33:22
Yeah. So I think. 01:33:23
Vineyard is going to be very transparent also this year. 01:33:24
Our annual report will include. 01:33:26
A multi year. 01:33:29
Kind of report, although all of our annual reports have included the multi year budget which. 01:33:31
Actually does call out most of the reimbursement agreements that we pay out to developers, in fact all the ones that are. 01:33:37
Direct reimbursements of developers. 01:33:44
The ones that are complicated are. 01:33:46
Projects in the. 01:33:48
Environmental remediation area. 01:33:49
OK. So in our pilot documents that we already have it in, what we're going to do is add a different report. Also the receipts 01:33:52
because we don't want to give developers large lump sums to go complete work, we make them. 01:33:57
Returned receipts so that we can be conservative about the spending, and we're going to report those in this document as well. 01:34:03
Yeah, and in the Gatsby 77 specifically, is a. 01:34:09
Footnote to the. 01:34:12
To the annual financial report of the city. 01:34:13
That's great. 01:34:15
The reason why it's critical? 01:34:16
Is because. 01:34:18
And then I spent a lot of time on my months. 01:34:20
Is because we literally are transferring over tax dollars. 01:34:23
And this footnote is critical because it goes. 01:34:27
This is on. 01:34:30
Private property. 01:34:31
And we gave them that money. And this is A and we're not getting that back. 01:34:33
Now we might get. 01:34:37
An improvement? 01:34:40
And the tax rate? 01:34:42
You know, in the in the in. 01:34:44
The improvement, but like. 01:34:46
You know we we help them build like the swimming pool, right? 01:34:48
We get the swimming pool, but they get thought that we're giving that. 01:34:52
On private land. 01:34:55
Like an HOA that they own. 01:34:56
Or the parking structure. There's a lot of different things that we have. 01:34:58
Invested in on private dollars that we don't own anymore. 01:35:03
And that footnote is very key. Every year we have to go. 01:35:07
This is the money we gave to developers. 01:35:10
Yeah. And I, I think so. It just has to be clear. I think that footnote is going to be great. And I, I love where you said that 01:35:13
there. 01:35:16
In our documents and. 01:35:19
Are documents that are public now will also match this document. 01:35:20
So that's great. 01:35:24
OK, does that. 01:35:25
Take us to the end of this. 01:35:27
I have one more comment. 01:35:30
I've got the observation. Yeah, I'm sorry. Say that again, Christy. There were two observations that I was going to discuss as 01:35:31
well. OK, Thank you. I did want to make one comment before I went into that. 01:35:36
We have an RDA. 01:35:42
The RDA. 01:35:44
Was to support the community and help us to do infrastructure and remediation. 01:35:46
We've talked a lot about that tonight. 01:35:51
It has done that. 01:35:53
We do make payments to developers. 01:35:55
But we are only paying them. 01:35:58
Because they developed the land. 01:35:59
That the way that we told them to do it. 01:36:02
So we are just keeping our agreements. 01:36:05
And no funds have gone unaccounted for. 01:36:08
There's no fraudulent activity. 01:36:11
Every transaction was legally and lawfully signed off on and. 01:36:13
Is there in the books? There is nothing that's hidden. I just want to make sure that everyone understands. 01:36:17
We are trying to be very transparent. 01:36:23
Everything is in there. 01:36:25
Now and we appreciate that and I think being able to say. 01:36:27
It's in our applications, it's in our documents, it's in our public records, and now those records will match. 01:36:30
This record, and I think that's the clarity that the auditor provided and. 01:36:36
We are grateful for it. 01:36:40
We are, and I think it is wonderful because it does clarify. 01:36:41
Thank you. 01:36:45
So I think many of the cities are grateful to know that oh this because we had wondered. 01:36:45
Why it's never going to match. 01:36:49
And then to find out that we can upload an annual report is going to be very helpful. 01:36:52
So this is all going to go away and it's an easy peasy fix. 01:36:56
OK, the observations that they made. 01:37:00
So a finding is something that requires action on your part to fix. 01:37:02
To become compliant with. 01:37:07
And observation is more of an opinion. 01:37:08
And their opinion was that. 01:37:12
Purchasing policy was not stringent enough that our approval levels were too high to this. 01:37:14
I want to note that the current. 01:37:21
Policy does align with state purchasing code. 01:37:22
And is consistent with other cities in Utah County, as was presented a couple of weeks ago in council meeting. 01:37:25
The current approval levels were set by City Council. 01:37:32
Not the Finance Department. 01:37:35
So and it was done by ordinance. 01:37:37
So. 01:37:39
And the finance department, we are here if you guys decide that you want to review those and change those levels. 01:37:40
We are here to give you all of the information that you need in order to make an informed decision. 01:37:46
Observation #2 was the Alpine school. 01:37:53
District dissolution. 01:37:56
And I think Marty spoke pretty well to that of what's going on. 01:37:58
We do have an inner city work. 01:38:01
A group that is working together. 01:38:04
That have hired experts. 01:38:05
That are reviewing these and. 01:38:07
Reporting back. 01:38:09
To the cities. 01:38:10
The different cities, city councils, so that they're aware of what's going on. 01:38:11
There's also a website that they have created where they keep updated information. 01:38:15
So if anyone has questions they can. 01:38:20
Go to that website and be updated and that would be the Timpanogos s s. 01:38:23
Timpanogosd org. 01:38:27
Yeah, I I think that was a really good point. 01:38:30
That money made because it's not just conversations. 01:38:32
It's actually this Interlocal working group that we have that we meet with regularly. 01:38:36
And we're always talking about this. 01:38:41
And so. 01:38:43
I feel like we can return which and report which you probably already did and say. 01:38:44
We are actively on top of this, looking at this, having it reviewed and. 01:38:49
And that's a really great. 01:38:54
Thing that we can report back. 01:38:56
So that's a clear observation, the purchasing policy. 01:38:57
Thank you for making that presentation recently. I think that was super helpful to us. But. 01:39:01
I was grateful that the Council had an opportunity to look at it. 01:39:06
To see how many approval layers there are to compare it to multiple other cities. 01:39:09
And then to have a choice to make a decision and feel comfortable with it and. 01:39:14
That that was helpful. 01:39:17
Is there anything else? 01:39:20
Their report? No, that was all I had. 01:39:22
OK. All right. 01:39:25
Council, do you have any? 01:39:26
Questions. Well, I guess I'll say this. 01:39:28
There were some things that we also took from this, one of the goals that came away from this. 01:39:32
As we were going through this process, there were. 01:39:38
Some errors and there were some missteps and there was some opportunity to really. 01:39:40
Build and collaborate and come up with resolutions. 01:39:46
And one of the recommendations was. 01:39:48
Not only to implement them, but then what do we do next? And we want to be really proactive and make sure. 01:39:51
We are implementing policy that reflects some of these decisions that. 01:39:58
And, umm. 01:40:02
Josh made a comment earlier earlier. 01:40:03
Talking about a memo and resending it and saying. 01:40:05
Hey I need to go through this different process. Thank you. 01:40:08
Saying those things, we really appreciate it. 01:40:12
On top of that discussion. 01:40:15
We talked about. 01:40:17
Doing a. 01:40:19
Kind of a legal review process. 01:40:20
As part of it, and I can let Jamie talk about that a little bit, and then also adding in some AI policy as well that we're going 01:40:23
to be bringing to the council. 01:40:27
To really bolster. 01:40:31
Our work here and then additionally, we've already started reaching out to the different entities to start figuring out a way to. 01:40:33
Collaborate and work together in a way that really. 01:40:40
Shows our ability to work together and collaborate on this project. 01:40:44
Did you wanna add anything to it or do you feel like I? 01:40:48
No, I I think that's sufficient. There will, there will be some follow up actions on some of these that will come back to the 01:40:51
council. 01:40:54
We're working on those documents. 01:40:58
OK. Well, with that we have this resolution of accepting the audit report. 01:41:00
And so we do need a motion to accept it. We wanted to really let the auditor know. 01:41:06
We appreciate being able to work with her team and. 01:41:11
Our staff did a really good job and thank you so much for all of the effort you guys all put into making this. 01:41:13
Go so smoothly and. 01:41:20
With that, we want to. 01:41:22
Put this resolution in if you guys are. 01:41:24
If you feel comfortable with that recommendation, I think it would be. 01:41:26
Really helpful to our community. 01:41:29
So this is just accepting that the state auditor has given us the audit report. 01:41:33
Yeah. And accepting the findings and that we've worked on them, we've corrected them, we've. 01:41:38
Work together with them and we are. 01:41:42
Moving forward to implement good policy. 01:41:44
To adopt those changes and work together. 01:41:48
I have so much me on the bum to go through this. 01:41:54
I think it's better to have our. 01:41:57
Council meet directly with them to hear it from them and not me. 01:42:00
I wouldn't vote on accepting or the. 01:42:06
Steps forward until. 01:42:08
After they met individually with them. 01:42:10
Do you hear it directly from them? 01:42:13
OK, Council, do you feel like we can make a resolution tonight that says we accept their report to us and that we're just 01:42:16
accepting the report of? 01:42:21
Them like the state then yeah, I don't want to be accepting. 01:42:26
I think not accepting it would be more problematic and. 01:42:30
What I'm saying is, is that our. 01:42:34
Our our interpretation of it. I didn't know if. 01:42:36
This report that we're getting from Christie is like, that's our steps forward. 01:42:39
I I think looking at the. 01:42:44
The resolution, it's really just saying we accept it, we're committed to to doing better and can't affect it today. It's it's 01:42:46
essentially a resolution of. 01:42:51
We accept that we need to do better. 01:42:58
And we will. 01:43:00
You know, and I want to add. 01:43:01
If we need to have. 01:43:03
Move things around or change. 01:43:05
I do feel like we're taking really good steps and we're taking this very seriously and Christy has done. 01:43:07
A very thorough job of. 01:43:13
Investigating and trying to understand. 01:43:15
Why the why the mistakes were made and maybe where some of the miscommunication is and maybe where some of the numbers are 01:43:17
confusing and so. 01:43:21
I just really appreciate her taking this seriously and I appreciate the Council's willingness to accept this letter. 01:43:26
And take the proper steps forward. 01:43:32
Thank you. 01:43:35
Sarah, did you have anything you wanted to add? 01:43:36
That I agree. 01:43:38
I could see as a finance director why it would feel problematic to be. 01:43:41
To think you could delete a report. 01:43:45
And then upload something different. 01:43:47
Right, I could see where that would. 01:43:50
Yeah, what about what? 01:43:51
Caused you to pause, but the fact that you were able to correct it so quickly. 01:43:53
With all of the reports, I think it was. 01:43:58
Eight years. 01:44:00
Within just a matter of a week or so. 01:44:01
You were able to upload. 01:44:04
All of the. 01:44:06
All of the adjusted final. 01:44:07
Final statements is really impressive to me. 01:44:09
So thank you for all your work. 01:44:11
Yeah, and you do it for the statewide auto alert is really incredible, Christy. 01:44:14
And taking that step forward. 01:44:18
Well, with that. 01:44:20
Who would like to make a motion? 01:44:21
I'd be happy to make a motion. 01:44:27
I moved to. 01:44:30
Yeah, he moved to adopt Resolution 2025-33, accepting the Utah State Auditor's audit report. 01:44:34
Thank you. I have a first by Marty. Can I get a second? 01:44:40
2nd. 01:44:43
Second by Sarah and this is done by resolution Sarah. 01:44:43
Aye, Marty. 01:44:47
Aye, aye, Brett. 01:44:49
Aye, aye. 01:44:51
All right, this brings us to. 01:44:52
Not even close to the end of agenda. 01:44:55
All right. 10.3 Public hearing adoption of the of the Vineyard City FY Budget amendment #4 Resolution 2025-31. 01:44:58
Christy, you're back on. 01:45:10
And this is a public hearing, so I'm going to go ahead and. 01:45:13
Move us into a public hearing. 01:45:16
But you look like you want to make a motion to go into a public hearing. 01:45:19
So moved. Thank you, Brett. 01:45:22
Say, did you want to 2nd that? 01:45:24
Up for it. Anybody else with a second? 01:45:27
OK. Thank you, Marty. All in favor. 01:45:29
All right, we're in a public hearing. 01:45:31
All right, go ahead, Christy. 01:45:33
As Josh mentioned when he was talking about the RDA budget at the end of every fiscal year. 01:45:39
You chew things up and and make your. 01:45:44
Most recent best guess at helping the year is going to end and so there. 01:45:46
Minor adjustments have been. 01:45:51
Stated in the amendment #4. 01:45:53
For the fiscal Year 25 budget, that was with your agenda. 01:45:55
OK. Does anybody have any questions on this? 01:45:59
Anybody from the public have any questions? 01:46:02
We kind of reviewed it for the last few weeks. 01:46:05
But you are here tonight. 01:46:09
OK, with that, I'm going to close the public hearing. 01:46:12
I need a motion. 01:46:15
So moved. Thank you Sir. Can I get a second? Second. 01:46:17
Thank you, Brett. All in favor. 01:46:20
Aye. Any questions from the Council or can I get a motion? 01:46:22
If no one has any questions, I feel comfortable with the budget, so I'm happy to make a motion. Go ahead, Marty. 01:46:30
I moved to adopt Resolution 202531, the Vineyard City fiscal 2024 Dash 2025 budget as. 01:46:36
Presented by staff. 01:46:44
All right, can I get a second? 01:46:45
2nd. 01:46:47
Thank you, Sarah. This is done by roll call Jake. 01:46:48
No. 01:46:50
Aye, Marty. Hi, Sarah. 01:46:53
Aye, alright. 01:46:55
That moves us to. 01:46:56
10.4 This is also public hearing proposed dollar increases for elective and statutory. 01:46:58
A statutory Yep officials. 01:47:04
We'll go ahead and go into a public hearing. Can I get a motion? 01:47:07
Salute. Thank you, Marty. Can I get a second? 01:47:10
2nd, thank you, Brett. All in favor. 01:47:12
All right, let's see. 01:47:16
Eric, you're going to go ahead and present this. 01:47:17
Yeah, as you all know. 01:47:20
It I think it was last year that the state added a. 01:47:22
A new law that. 01:47:26
That a certain list of. 01:47:27
Appointed officials. 01:47:30
As well as elected officials. 01:47:32
On the annual increases that those be presented in a public meeting, as we are right now. 01:47:34
The there was a cola. 01:47:39
Of 2%. 01:47:41
That would be applicable to elected officials and. 01:47:43
Staff, including those. 01:47:46
That are being discussed right now the. 01:47:48
City Manager. The city attorney. 01:47:51
The finance director. The public treasurer. 01:47:53
Public Works Director. 01:47:59
Overall. 01:48:01
OK. And and then there's also a 3% merit. 01:48:03
Increase. 01:48:08
That reflects on the document as a 3.25. 01:48:09
Percent increase. 01:48:12
We've discussed this with all council members but the 2.25%. 01:48:14
Is creating a pool. 01:48:18
For any sort of. 01:48:20
Increases that would be merited throughout the year when someone finishes a certification. 01:48:22
Or some sort of licensure? 01:48:27
It creates an opportunity for us to make minor adjustments throughout the year. 01:48:29
So it would be a 3% merit. 01:48:34
Over the next three weeks, just so that everybody's clear. 01:48:36
Managers do a. 01:48:40
Review of all of their staff and then the city manager does a review of all of the managers. 01:48:42
And assesses the merit. 01:48:47
Before that is just. 01:48:50
Automatically handed out. 01:48:53
OK, let's see. 01:48:55
Are there any questions from the public? 01:48:57
No, OK, seeing that there are none. 01:49:01
I'm going to go ahead and close the public hearing. 01:49:03
So moved. Thank you, Marty. Can I get a second? 01:49:05
2nd, Thank you, Brett. 01:49:09
All in favor. 01:49:10
Aye. Any questions from the Council? 01:49:11
All right, seeing that there are no questions, can I get a motion? 01:49:16
Oh, this is a public hearing only. No action will be taking at this time. 01:49:18
This is just let the public know what's happening at the same. 01:49:22
Is that correct? 01:49:24
For this item. 01:49:26
Yeah. And then we'll do the budget. 01:49:28
And then OK. 01:49:29
I just wanted to make sure that I wasn't wrong. 01:49:30
OK 10.5 Discussion action adoption of the. 01:49:33
Final fiscal year 20252026 Budget and certified tax rate resolution 202532. 01:49:36
Christy, our Finance Director, is going to lead out and present. 01:49:42
This year's budget. 01:49:46
Go ahead, I don't know about you guys, but I'm getting tired of hearing my voice. 01:49:47
I'm not. It's very pleasant. Thank you. 01:49:52
The fiscal year 26 budget, we initially gave it to the Council, Mayor and Council on April 30th. We have since had meetings with 01:49:56
each of the council members. 01:50:01
To answer any questions that they have encouraged them to continue to evaluate and reach out with additional questions. 01:50:05
And that is how we got the document we've put before you. 01:50:12
By law it has to be voted in tonight. 01:50:15
Both for the fiscal year 26 budget and also for the certified tax rate. 01:50:19
And additionally, you also met with the finance team? 01:50:23
That you guys put together. 01:50:26
Which is also great. Yes, that was before the April 30th report went out. We did have our budget meetings, yes. Thank you, Sir. 01:50:28
Alright, well. 01:50:35
Are there any questions from the Council on this? 01:50:38
I did pull up the capital projects slides. I think that's usually where people want to know what's going on because that's where 01:50:43
we have. 01:50:46
Funds that we can send somewhere other than operational. 01:50:50
Which is what most of the budget it goes towards is the running of the city where we have staff and services that we provide. 01:50:53
So we provided this to the residents and throughout the last. 01:51:00
Several meetings we've had some updates from Christie as we've gone along, but. 01:51:03
If there's any questions from the public on the budget, I'm. 01:51:07
Willing to have you come up and say anything? 01:51:10
OK, seeing as there are none. 01:51:14
Can I turn that back to the Council? 01:51:16
Right now. 01:51:19
And, umm. 01:51:20
Thank you for being so thorough and also for doing your reports and keeping the public informed. That's been very helpful. 01:51:21
Is there is there a second page to this slide? 01:51:30
Yes, there is. 01:51:34
Thank you the rest of them. 01:51:35
In looking at these, I don't believe any of these have changed since the meeting that we had two weeks ago where I showed this 01:51:43
slide. 01:51:45
Sorry. 01:51:48
I know we discussed it before, but it. 01:51:52
And I love having a list of what we are going to do. 01:51:55
But do we also have a list of what we chose not to do? 01:51:58
Next slide. 01:52:03
I didn't bet on the slide, but I will get that pulled up so I can share it with you. 01:52:04
Well, and I think that's hard too, because. 01:52:13
If what you're doing is pulling up things that we. 01:52:15
That even made the list. 01:52:19
That we have. 01:52:21
We said no. 01:52:21
Multiple times. 01:52:23
To things that didn't make the list. 01:52:24
And then things made the lesson. We said no. 01:52:26
Again, uh. 01:52:28
So I wonder if. 01:52:29
It's it's probably not comp. 01:52:30
I'm not necessarily looking for a. 01:52:34
A comprehensive list I To me, it's just interesting to. 01:52:37
And I think it would be interesting to the public to to see. 01:52:41
What we prioritize and what we didn't. 01:52:45
OK. So the things that we did not include in the capital projects budget were the design of the Gateway park at Holdaway Fields. 01:52:47
The design and construct of the Tucker Row Park and overpass landscaping. 01:52:56
The bollard lighting. 01:53:02
That must be in the same term. 01:53:05
Bollard bollard lighting along the city trails. 01:53:06
We had talked about constructing a State Park. 01:53:11
We did not get the grant that we were going to use matching funds for, so the skate park was dropped. 01:53:14
For that reason. 01:53:19
Bear with me as I Scroll down here. 01:53:23
We did drop the world. 01:53:25
Trade Membership. 01:53:27
World Trade Center membership. Sorry. 01:53:30
And there was a. 01:53:32
Design and constructive restrooms and parking at the skate park. And obviously because the skate park is not happening, we don't 01:53:35
need to have that on there now. 01:53:38
We also had put in there. 01:53:43
To designing construct a senior multi-purpose center. Wait, Chrissy. 01:53:45
Did you just say the skate parks weren't happening? 01:53:49
Not right now. 01:53:52
We did not get the grant that we were anticipating. We are continuing to take donations and those are those have been set aside as 01:53:53
restricted funds that have to be used for that. 01:53:58
And then we will try and get some other grants and some things to make it happen. 01:54:02
But we did not get the grant that we were hoping to get for that. 01:54:07
I think the interesting thing apart about this right now is that we're setting money aside. 01:54:11
So that in a little bit. 01:54:16
You will have the ability. 01:54:17
To reappear. 01:54:19
Reprioritize those things because you know. 01:54:22
They haven't fallen off our radar. None of these things have fallen off our radar. 01:54:25
It's a reassessment. 01:54:29
Of umm. 01:54:31
Kind of what we need to do in this current moment. 01:54:33
And then you're still going to have to go back and revisit your economic development plan. 01:54:37
You're going to have to reconsider your parks or you're going to have to do this so as you go through your first quarter. 01:54:42
In your second quarter, you're going to have to analyze this for your amendments that you'll make in June, I mean in July. 01:54:47
Yes. Thank you for that clarification. We do have a comment from the public. I'm going to open it. 01:54:52
Because I would love to hear it come on up. 01:54:57
Thank you, David Pierce from Cascade. 01:55:01
Last year, last budget era. 01:55:03
Lethal and. 01:55:05
Modi published a document. 01:55:07
That listed. 01:55:12
Categories. 01:55:13
What staff asked for. 01:55:15
And what the City Council? 01:55:17
Approved, Uh. 01:55:19
From those asks. 01:55:20
And what they didn't? 01:55:22
That was extremely helpful. I'm wondering if we can do that again. 01:55:24
Do that. 01:55:28
Canada, thank you for that comment. 01:55:30
Are there other ones right now, Christy? 01:55:32
Maybe the helpful thing is we could prepare those, listen, send it to the council and they can post those like we did last year. 01:55:36
OK, I can certainly do that. 01:55:41
With that. 01:55:44
I'm gonna ask if anybody has any other questions or if you would like to make a motion. 01:55:46
Feels like you want to make a motion. 01:55:55
Yeah, I'd be happy to. 01:55:56
All right, go ahead, Marty. 01:55:58
OK. 01:56:01
I moved to adopt resolution 202532. 01:56:04
The venue today Fiscal Year 2025 Dash 2026 Budget as presented by staff. 01:56:08
And the certified tax rate. 01:56:14
Have What was it? 01:56:16
Sorry, it was on the staff report. It's. 01:56:23
I have it written down here. We did not do truth and taxation this year. We just went with the. 01:56:26
Calculation that was given to us by the county and I believe. 01:56:31
Oh, you know that I think I. 01:56:35
I'll try to find .00. 01:56:38
3796. 01:56:41
And that will bring in an estimated budgeted revenue of 4.3 million in property. 01:56:43
Taxes, he said. 00.3796 yes. 01:56:48
.00. 01:56:53
.00 Three 7.003796. 01:56:54
Awesome, yes. 01:57:00
We have a first friend, Marty. Can I get a second? 01:57:01
2nd Thank you, Sarah. 01:57:04
This is done by roll call Jake. 01:57:06
No, Fred. 01:57:08
Aye. Is there any discussion? We have a first. Well, no, we're already doing resolution. Just kidding. 01:57:10
It's late. I, Marty. 01:57:17
Hi, Sarah. 01:57:19
Aye, all right. 01:57:20
10.6 Discussion in action Adoption of ordinance for salary increases. 01:57:23
We just discussed this in the 10.4. 01:57:27
Eric, did you have anything else to present on that? 01:57:31
OK. Would you guys like to make a motion? 01:57:33
We heard the presentation and now we're here for the adoption of an ordinance. 01:57:38
I move to adopt Ordinance 2025. 01:57:43
12 approving the proposed salary increases for statutory officers, including a 5% total increase. 01:57:46
For eligible statutory positions at 10%. 01:57:53
Total increase for the Parks and Recreation Director and to improve a 2% COLA increase. 01:57:56
To approve of. 01:58:02
2% COLA increase for the mayor and City Council in accordance with ordinance. 01:58:03
#2023-03 All right, we have a first by Marty. Can I get a second? 01:58:08
2nd. 01:58:14
Second by Sarah. Any discussion? 01:58:15
All right. This is done by ordinance, Jake. 01:58:18
No, Brett. 01:58:21
Hi. Hi, Marty. 01:58:23
Aye, Sarah. 01:58:25
All right, 10 points. 01:58:26
Oh, go ahead. Just a quick clarification. 01:58:28
Did anyone hear 2023 or was that 2025? 01:58:31
2023. 01:58:34
Yeah, at the end it was because we were referencing the Ordinance 2023. 01:58:35
Perfect. Thanks. 01:58:40
Yeah, OK. 01:58:41
10.7 Discussed in. 01:58:43
The school district government affairs liaison. 01:58:45
Are you presenting this, Eric? 01:58:49
This is the discussion that happened with our interlocals. 01:58:52
Yes, so. 01:58:56
We're seeking adoption of the ordinance. 01:58:58
For hiring a government consultant. 01:59:01
For the Timpanogos School District. 01:59:04
Municipal. Interlocal. 01:59:07
That the purposes of that are laid out in the resolution before you. 01:59:10
But generally it's to get assistance. 01:59:15
In collaborating with the other school districts. 01:59:17
The other two new school districts. 01:59:20
And also to. 01:59:22
Assist us with working. 01:59:23
On legislative solutions for some of the issues that. 01:59:25
Hadn't been addressed in the most recent. 01:59:28
SB188. 01:59:31
That was passed last year. 01:59:33
Well, in earlier this year in legislative session. 01:59:36
The dollar amount would be. 01:59:40
80,000 total for the contract and vineyards portion of that is 20,000. 01:59:42
It's split four ways with the other three cities. 01:59:47
All right. Are there any questions or comments on this? 01:59:51
20,000 split between or 80,000 split four ways so. 01:59:54
Vineyards portion is 20,000. 01:59:58
We should have done that off the population. 02:00:00
Those discussions did take place. 02:00:03
And in order to. 02:00:06
I don't know if we don't need to go into it too much, but in order to. 02:00:08
Create a system. 02:00:12
Or a representation. 02:00:13
That is equal among the cities that are in that interlocal for the time being. 02:00:16
It was agreed that we would. 02:00:21
Also split. 02:00:22
Any cost and all of these are pretty minor costs. 02:00:23
Considering the. 02:00:26
Enormity of. 02:00:27
Running the school district. 02:00:29
But the decision was made to. 02:00:30
To evenly split those between cities so that. 02:00:33
As well as the representation on most cities. 02:00:36
So that that was. 02:00:40
Even. 02:00:41
And allowed for us to be on an even playing field as we kind of organized. 02:00:43
That, umm. 02:00:47
All that we can for the school district at this point in time. 02:00:48
Smart, OK. 02:00:51
Any questions on that? 02:00:53
If not, I need emotions. 02:00:55
I move to adopt resolution 202537 as presented. 02:00:58
All right, can I get a second? 02:01:03
2nd. 02:01:05
Second by Sarah. The stem by resolution, Sarah. 02:01:06
Aye, Marty. 02:01:10
Aye, aye, Brett. 02:01:11
Jake No. 02:01:13
All right, that brings us to 10.8. 02:01:14
Oh no, this is actually. 02:01:18
This item is being postponed until August 13th, 2025. 02:01:20
You need to make a motion, yeah. 02:01:25
So I will need a motion to. 02:01:31
I'll second that. 02:01:34
I'm sorry I didn't hear who did the first. 02:01:36
I thought you said I'll make a motion. No, I'm sorry, I said I need a motion. 02:01:39
I moved to post county public hearing for the Transportation Master Plan and impact fee analysis to August 13th, 2025. 02:01:43
Thank you so much, Marty. Can I get a second? 02:01:50
Second, any discussion? 02:01:53
All right, all in favor. 02:01:55
Aye. 02:01:57
And this meaning is a Turner. Thank you. 02:01:58