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And we're going to begin with an invocation and apply the. 00:00:00
Pledge of Allegiance. 00:00:03
By Councilmember Clawson. 00:00:05
Our Father in heaven, we're grateful that we can. 00:00:10
Be gathered this evening as. 00:00:13
Council, Commission and residents and staff to. 00:00:17
Discuss the. 00:00:20
Work and business of. 00:00:22
Or the city, and we ask as we proceed through the evening, that we can. 00:00:24
Have our minds opened that we can understand? 00:00:29
And that we can. 00:00:33
Speak well. 00:00:34
And this we pray in the name of Jesus Christ, Amen. 00:00:35
All right. 00:00:40
I pledge allegiance to. 00:00:45
To the flag. 00:00:46
Of the United States of America. 00:00:47
And the general Republic for which it. 00:00:49
One nation under God. 00:00:52
Indivisible with liberty and justice for all. 00:00:54
All right, I'm going to turn the time over to. 00:01:00
Our Chair of our Planning Commission, Nathan Steele, and he's going to conduct the rest of this joint meeting. 00:01:03
Great. 00:01:08
Thank you everyone for being at this joint meeting. 00:01:09
Hopefully you're just as. 00:01:11
Tickled as me about it. 00:01:13
We are going to go ahead and move on to our joint public hearing. 00:01:14
Item 2.1, which is a public hearing about the Vineyard Station area plan. 00:01:19
Well, you first hear a presentation from staff. 00:01:23
About it. And then we'll have a. 00:01:26
Joint body. 00:01:28
Discussion. Yeah. 00:01:30
About it and then a public hearing. 00:01:30
So time is yours, Anthony. 00:01:32
Thank you, Chair and mayor and City Council. 00:01:44
My name is Anthony Fletcher and I will be taking you through the station area plan. 00:01:48
For Vineyard City. 00:01:52
So in the meantime, I want to share that we have Dan Wayne here from MAG. 00:01:54
Who is the? 00:02:00
I mean the. 00:02:01
The planning director. 00:02:03
That overseas. 00:02:05
Station area plans and many other. 00:02:07
Planning efforts in the Mac area and he'll be here to give. 00:02:09
Some more. 00:02:12
Insight on. 00:02:14
The state requirements. 00:02:15
What we're? 00:02:17
Expected to do and. 00:02:19
What we need to make sure that we meet as a city to get certified. 00:02:23
And my my part of the presentation, I'll be talking about the certification schedule. 00:02:28
Give you a general overview about the. 00:02:32
Draft document that we're working on. 00:02:35
I would like to say though. 00:02:38
That this presentation. 00:02:40
Is not to adopt A plan. 00:02:42
This is just for input. 00:02:44
Get some good feedback. 00:02:46
To update the work and document that we. 00:02:48
Still have. 00:02:52
And then have this presented to. 00:02:54
Mac for certification. 00:02:58
Later we will come back. 00:02:59
For a formal adoption. 00:03:01
But City Council. 00:03:03
So think of this as. 00:03:05
That's more expanded. 00:03:08
At this point, I'll turn it over to Dan Wayne. 00:03:10
To talk about the requirements by state. 00:03:15
Thank you mayor and council members. 00:03:20
I'm not necessarily here to do a big presentation, but to spend most time hopefully just answering your questions that you might 00:03:22
have. 00:03:25
About the process, but just for context for those that are visiting or those that aren't familiar with it. 00:03:28
Just a little background, um. 00:03:34
The state from the state's perspective. 00:03:36
They've invested, you know, billion dollars plus into this regional. 00:03:39
Transit network. 00:03:44
And their thought is is that they would love it if the cities. 00:03:46
Help support. 00:03:50
The performance and. 00:03:52
Usability. 00:03:53
Of that transit infrastructure. 00:03:55
By providing transit oriented development around what they call fixed guideway stations, which basically just means. 00:03:57
Commuter rail, light rail, and bus rapid transit like UVX. 00:04:03
So that's that's the premise behind or what? 00:04:08
Drove the the creation of HP 462. 00:04:12
In 2022. 00:04:16
And that. 00:04:18
That statute basically, you know. 00:04:20
Requires all cities that have an existing station. 00:04:22
To develop a station area plan. 00:04:26
And to have that certified. 00:04:29
Before the end of this calendar year. 00:04:32
December 31st. 00:04:34
2025. 00:04:36
So across. 00:04:38
Utah County. 00:04:40
In our region here. 00:04:42
All of the cities with an existing station, and in fact all of the city cities with the future station. 00:04:44
Have all gone through the station area. 00:04:50
Planning process. 00:04:53
They've either sort of had their plans, they've completed them and had them certified. 00:04:54
Or their. 00:04:59
Probably in the 90 to 95% phase similar to you are where they're just kind of rounding the corner. 00:05:01
And getting close to certification. 00:05:08
My message to. 00:05:13
To you is is that there's not a lot of downsides. 00:05:16
To having a developing a station. 00:05:20
And having that certified. 00:05:24
The station area plan is similar to a general plan and that it's. 00:05:27
A conceptual advisory document. 00:05:32
In fact, the state statute says that you cannot. 00:05:35
Certify A stationary plan unless it's consistent with the local governments zoning. 00:05:39
And if you did do a stationary plan that. 00:05:46
Differs from your existing zoning. 00:05:50
That at some point that you'll need to update your zoning to match the plan that you adopted. 00:05:52
So that's that's the basic background in terms of. 00:05:58
How you? 00:06:02
Submit it. We do have a what's called ASAP. 00:06:04
A stationary plan. 00:06:08
Policy Committee. 00:06:09
That's comprised of the mayor's. 00:06:11
Of all of the cities that have an existing station. 00:06:14
And then a couple other. 00:06:18
Members of that and some non voting members. 00:06:20
You prepare. 00:06:23
Your station area plan. 00:06:25
To your liking. 00:06:29
That meets all the basic. 00:06:30
Criteria that are. 00:06:32
Spelled out in in the HP 462. 00:06:33
You adopt that. 00:06:37
As not adopted, you approve it as to form basically saying that. 00:06:39
We agree with this plan that we created. 00:06:44
You submit that to the the station area plan. 00:06:47
Policy Committee. 00:06:50
And. 00:06:51
I do a review of it. 00:06:53
I let them know whether or not it. 00:06:55
Checked all the boxes that are required of a stationary of plan. 00:06:56
And then they do a what's called a conditional certification. 00:07:00
They certify it. 00:07:04
Conditioned upon. 00:07:05
The City Council. 00:07:07
Formally adopting it by resolution and once they've done that. 00:07:09
Then you'll receive. 00:07:13
A letter basically saying that you've met the requirement. 00:07:15
Of the law. 00:07:19
And then how? 00:07:21
Implemented is or. 00:07:22
Put into effect is through your moderate income housing. 00:07:24
Plan so the moderate income housing plan as you never. 00:07:27
Has a bunch of different options. 00:07:31
Strategies that you can select that qualify in that plan. 00:07:34
Having a station area plan is one of those things. So if you. 00:07:39
Have a stationary plan and it's been certified. 00:07:42
Then that becomes one of your strategies when you're doing reporting. 00:07:45
On your moderate. 00:07:49
Housing plan. 00:07:50
I As mentioned before, I'm I'm Dan Wayne with the Community Planning Manager at MAG. 00:07:53
We don't necessarily. 00:07:59
Our role is more of an administrative. 00:08:01
Role we're not certifying. 00:08:04
Your station area plan. 00:08:07
I'm reviewing it just to. 00:08:09
See if it met the basic requirements in providing a recommendation to the Policy Committee, just like your staff would to you. 00:08:11
If there was an action item. 00:08:19
But other than that. 00:08:22
Our our role is just to support. 00:08:23
The process. 00:08:25
To administer. 00:08:27
We got delegated the. 00:08:29
The position to. 00:08:31
You know to to administer this process, including the technical assistance that the state provided. 00:08:33
And we awarded. 00:08:40
Consultant technical assistance to the city at their request so that they could do. 00:08:42
This study. 00:08:47
The last thing I'll mention. 00:08:48
Is is that? 00:08:50
The requirement for a station area plan is. 00:08:52
A1 half mile radius around. 00:08:55
The station around your front runner station. 00:08:58
1/2 mile. 00:09:01
The city. 00:09:05
Elected to contribute additional funds in addition to the state technical funds and to. 00:09:07
Those together. 00:09:12
To look at not only that area, but an expanded area. 00:09:14
And we thought that was a great idea and we supported. 00:09:18
That because when you look at your station. 00:09:20
Area. 00:09:23
There's part of it is your Utah city, which is already planned. It's. 00:09:24
All you have to do is you don't have to redo that plan, you just reference it in your station area plan. 00:09:29
Part of it is the UVU campus, which you don't have land use control over and so. 00:09:35
The station of the. 00:09:40
Statute allows you to call that impracticable and say it just. 00:09:42
It doesn't apply because. 00:09:46
We're not in control of that. 00:09:48
The remaining portion of that half mile circle are a couple slivers. 00:09:49
Of land on the perimeter of that, and that's really all that. 00:09:55
Is included when we're considering certification of that stationary of plan? 00:09:59
Now, you were really smart, like I said, and looked outside of that circle where there's all this potential for development. 00:10:05
And you've done that plan as well? 00:10:12
And I just mentioned that so that if you. 00:10:15
Do have concerns with any components of the plan? 00:10:17
That you consider isolating those concerns to. 00:10:21
That which is relevant to the station area plan. 00:10:24
And that which is entirely within. 00:10:27
The cities purview. 00:10:29
So, umm. 00:10:32
Probably spoke a little bit longer than I. 00:10:33
I even intended but. 00:10:35
I'll, I'll turn it back over to the. 00:10:36
To the Council and answer any questions that you might have. 00:10:39
OK. Thank you. To confirm, Anthony, is that all of the presentation or do you also have more that you're presenting? 00:10:43
We have more to present, but he only has a few minutes. 00:10:49
So if you have any questions pertaining to what he just talked about? 00:10:52
You have a chance to ask him before he leaves. 00:10:56
OK. Thank you for clarifying. 00:10:58
So large body, all of us together. Any questions you have for our MAD representative? 00:10:59
Yeah, I've got a. 00:11:05
I've got a few. 00:11:06
Because you covered a lot. 00:11:08
One, you were talking about zoning and if the zoning in the SAP is different than current zoning. 00:11:12
Would the plan? 00:11:19
Enumerate those, or somehow list those out for us so that we would. 00:11:21
Be able to see. 00:11:25
Current versus versus future and we can and we can evaluate that. 00:11:26
Yeah. And in fact. 00:11:31
You can actually. 00:11:32
With a little wrinkle with the statue, you can actually have. 00:11:34
Your plan adopted and certified without your zoning updated to match. 00:11:38
On there. 00:11:43
We don't include that as part of the certification process, but it's just assumed that. 00:11:44
You will eventually have to do that. 00:11:49
You may have to report on that as part of your moderate income housing plan. I don't. 00:11:52
I'm not sure the second one I had when you were going through the certification. 00:11:56
Process. 00:12:01
What I. 00:12:03
Got was that you'll do a review and a recommendation and then there's a state. 00:12:04
Committee that actually does a conditional certification. 00:12:08
No, there's no that right? No, there's no state committee they delegated that to. 00:12:11
What we created is called the SAP Policy Committee. 00:12:16
And that's comprised of mayors of all of the cities that have. 00:12:20
An affected station and so your peers are basically. 00:12:25
Reviewing. 00:12:29
In deciding whether or not it needs the statute. 00:12:30
And not when we do the certification process. 00:12:33
It's it's not really about is it a good plan? 00:12:36
Or a bad. 00:12:40
Plan, it's really about just did it. 00:12:41
The exact. 00:12:44
For specifications of the law and I'm literally just checking boxes when we went through a lengthy planning process. 00:12:45
I had all sorts of opinions and contributions towards the planning process and we had a great time. 00:12:52
Doing it. 00:12:57
But from the very beginning. 00:12:58
I we stated it and we'll stay, stay it. 00:13:00
State it again now that. 00:13:02
When it comes to the certification process. 00:13:04
That's just an administrative process where we're. 00:13:06
Just confirming that it met the. 00:13:09
Minimum requirements of the law. Not that it's not that it's a good plan or battery. 00:13:11
And the last question I had, I'm going to add to that one really quick. 00:13:15
Maybe for clarification you can explain. 00:13:20
Camdale came in from the League of Cities and Towns, and he talked a little bit about. 00:13:23
Why it ended up? 00:13:28
In kind of that more local government form. 00:13:30
Maybe you can speak to the Council about that. 00:13:33
Sure, yeah. 00:13:35
I think when the the law first started germinating and they were talking about. 00:13:39
What it should and. 00:13:43
D there I think at that. 00:13:45
Early point there was some talk of. 00:13:48
Land use control and how the state could. 00:13:51
Make sure that local governments invest in transit oriented development around these. 00:13:55
And MAG and WFRC. 00:14:00
In the League of Cities and Towns. 00:14:03
You know, made a point of advocating for local governments and their land use authority. 00:14:06
And we? 00:14:11
Collectively. 00:14:13
Influenced help. 00:14:16
You know, develop a statute. 00:14:18
That puts that keeps the control within local government. 00:14:20
And if you look at the requirements of the. 00:14:25
HB462. 00:14:27
There's no minimums. 00:14:29
Like there's no minimum. 00:14:32
Densities or any type of development or anything like that. It just says. 00:14:33
Have you considered? 00:14:38
Land use around the station Have you considered? 00:14:40
Transportation around the station. 00:14:43
And access to open space. 00:14:45
You can define that however you want. 00:14:47
It's just asking you to basically go through a planning process that works for you. 00:14:50
Within the context of your community. 00:14:56
When did you first know about this and start working with the mid city to do this? 00:15:02
Well, I mean the the law was. 00:15:09
Enacted in 2022. 00:15:11
There was like a. 00:15:13
A year or so. When did you start working with our staff? 00:15:15
Yeah. There's a year or so where if we tried to figure that out and then we. 00:15:18
Allocated. 00:15:22
Funds for the technical assistance for this project probably two years ago. 00:15:23
And we've been going through the process. 00:15:29
Since then, I just want it publicly known that I found out about. 00:15:31
Changes and. 00:15:35
Densities about 48 hours ago. 00:15:37
The city City Council member. 00:15:40
Changes. 00:15:43
So. 00:15:44
I think what you're. 00:15:45
I'm not done. 00:15:47
To have this on the packet. 00:15:49
Putting in 4000. 00:15:52
To 6000 residents. 00:15:55
Into our business district. 00:15:57
And I'm not. 00:15:59
It's not you. 00:16:00
It's like and have a combined. 00:16:02
Meeting and then a vote tonight. 00:16:05
Something so impactful. 00:16:12
I'm wearing my grandfather's shirt who sat on the City Council that dedicated this business district. 00:16:16
Some 25 years ago. 00:16:22
And we were created as a city. 00:16:24
To be able to control what we built. 00:16:26
And I don't know what's happening in this meeting. 00:16:30
But it's very odd. 00:16:34
That, uh. 00:16:35
A large page document. 00:16:37
That is in such detail. 00:16:40
Not be known to me. 00:16:42
Respectfully, if I can just focus all of our time right now on asking questions that's particular to our magnet representative. 00:16:44
And then? 00:16:52
Have questions? 00:16:53
To staff about the particulars, I just I just wanted to make sure we're. 00:16:54
Using our time wisely here, I think it is. 00:16:58
Now point of order, he just needs to leave soon so we can discuss all these things after. 00:17:00
Let's just focus on that like you said. 00:17:05
I have one more thing. So there were a lot of considerations that those considerations. Are there specific requirements that you 00:17:08
could delineate between? 00:17:12
Considerations and requirements that would prove that our plan would fail if we didn't need those. 00:17:16
I've I've reviewed the the draft plan and I just had some minor suggestions. 00:17:24
In order just to. 00:17:32
Make it. 00:17:34
Crystal clear that. 00:17:35
The plan has met all the requirements. I I don't think that the plan that you've developed is deficient. 00:17:37
In any way, it just needs a little bit of clarification. 00:17:43
I think what I mean is according to HB 462. 00:17:46
What are the requirements? 00:17:50
Because you talked about kind of considerations, but what are the requirements that would make it so that? 00:17:52
We're not able to move forward with this plan. 00:17:57
This is if you consider the land use. 00:18:00
Have you considered the transportation? 00:18:02
But if we don't have something that connects to a transportation. 00:18:04
Do we fill the requirement? If we don't have density, do we fill the requirement? 00:18:08
No, and that's The thing is if there's a photo. 00:18:12
A1 page list of. 00:18:15
I went through the statue and identified all the requirements and I made a check. A nice convenient checklist. 00:18:17
And they're really just things like. 00:18:23
Show a map. 00:18:25
Showing where the area is, yes. 00:18:26
Evaluate land use. 00:18:31
Around the station and have a plan for it. 00:18:33
You did. 00:18:36
Consider the transportation. 00:18:38
Infrastructure. 00:18:40
That you would like to see to serve the station and the community. 00:18:42
Check you've done that. 00:18:46
They're all really basic things. There's nothing on there that says. 00:18:47
You have to do it this way or or. 00:18:51
That way. 00:18:54
So in that respect. 00:18:55
It's really truly in the city's hands and it was a city lead. 00:18:56
Process that we just. 00:19:00
We we administered the. 00:19:02
Technical assistance funds for but it was the project manager. 00:19:04
Was the city staff. 00:19:09
And. 00:19:11
From the state and we've had a. 00:19:13
Master plan for 20 years, that's never been changed. 00:19:15
How did we come up with a? 00:19:19
Plan that is so significantly different from the master plan if there's no mandate. 00:19:21
Now, did we spend? That's not a question for him, though. 00:19:26
Right. I just want to make sure it wasn't mandated from you. 00:19:29
I don't mind answering it right, I just want to make sure it's not you leave the room and says, hey, this guy made us do it, 00:19:33
right? 00:19:36
Now, in fact, actually the law says that. 00:19:39
If you already have a plan. 00:19:42
Addresses all the requirements of. 00:19:44
HP 462. 00:19:47
That you don't even have to do a plan, you can just point to your existing plan. 00:19:49
And just say we're done. 00:19:52
Right. So and there's like I said, if you look at that area within that planning area you've already planned. 00:19:53
For Utah City and so you can just say done. 00:20:00
As long as it meets all the basic requirements. 00:20:03
My last question on all the other cities, how long did they allow the? 00:20:06
Look to know about their new plan before voting on a. 00:20:09
It's so much public engagement with. 00:20:13
Pretty substantial, right? 00:20:15
Yeah. It's a city by city process. Obviously they came up with their own engagement plan for the public and stakeholders. And are 00:20:17
we talking like at least a couple weeks or months or? 00:20:22
Yeah, there's. 00:20:28
Like the? 00:20:30
This plan in particular. 00:20:31
Part of the scope of work was to develop a city. Approved. 00:20:34
Engagement plan. So that was done and then they followed through with that. 00:20:38
Offhand, I can't remember all the. 00:20:42
Specific elements of that, but I do know it included. 00:20:45
Some community events. 00:20:49
And some marketing and online. 00:20:51
Presence and all the. 00:20:55
Kind of the standard public engagement types of. 00:20:57
Things that are. 00:21:00
Sometimes. 00:21:01
Effective. Sometimes not so. 00:21:03
I think, Anthony, you're going to be covering a lot of that in your presentation. 00:21:05
Yeah. 00:21:09
I know there's others with questions. Bret or? 00:21:11
Sorry, Councilmember Clawson also said he had another question. I want to make sure you address yours. 00:21:13
And then also if there's other members of the council or members of the Planning Commission with questions, just want to make sure 00:21:18
we can address it all while we have. 00:21:21
The clarification I was looking for is exactly what are the responsibilities. 00:21:24
Of the Council. 00:21:29
I heard. 00:21:31
An approval so that it can come back to you with Council approval to do. 00:21:34
Your evaluation. 00:21:40
And I thought I heard that there's a second thing that happens sometime later after the state looks or the. 00:21:42
The Policy Committee looks at it. 00:21:49
Did I did I hear that right that that's I just want to make sure that I'm clear on what's. 00:21:51
Responsibility for all of us up here actually is. 00:21:55
Yeah. I mean, we hope you're engaged in the entire process, but in terms of like the the touch points? 00:21:58
Of the Council. 00:22:03
That are. 00:22:05
Required, I guess you could say is. 00:22:06
That we ask that you approve as the form. 00:22:08
The plan so that when it goes to the committee, they can be assured. 00:22:11
That this wasn't something that. 00:22:16
Staff develop them at the city, you know. 00:22:17
Council is not familiar with and. 00:22:20
That they don't support it. 00:22:23
And that's that approval tonight and that's asking for. 00:22:25
I think. 00:22:29
Yeah, he'll go over that. That's up to the obviously to your staff there. 00:22:30
The second touch point is. 00:22:34
After the committee certifies it. 00:22:36
Then you, the City Council, needs to adopt it by resolution and then we can provide you. 00:22:38
You know the paperwork that's required so that when you do moderate income housing reporting that it qualifies as a strategy. 00:22:47
Are there any other questions? 00:22:56
I don't have a question but just for clarity for. 00:23:00
People here the Planning Commission did have a work session on this topic. 00:23:03
Three weeks ago. 00:23:07
And I believe the City Council was going to at their meeting two weeks ago, but because that meeting got cancelled. 00:23:08
Which is why I think we're having this joint session tonight. 00:23:14
Because of that delay. So just for clarity. 00:23:17
We've talked about it. 00:23:21
And we're talking about it as a group tonight because of that. 00:23:23
Cancellation. 00:23:26
OK. Are there any? 00:23:27
Questions, uh. 00:23:29
Right now. 00:23:30
Did the piloting connection make any social media posts about adding? 00:23:32
4 to 6000 people. I think this is a question for our bad representative. Point of order right now it's a question for our MAG 00:23:35
representative. 00:23:39
Anyone. I just wondered because you said a lot of. 00:23:44
A lot of what's already. 00:23:48
Been put in place, satisfies kind of the requirements you guys are looking for. 00:23:50
So. 00:23:54
Does does it require all of it or you want us to finish those little slivers? 00:23:56
I mean, I've looked through the plan, it actually looks pretty good. I was impressed with. 00:24:01
How much community engagement there's been and. 00:24:05
Yeah, I was. I was actually really impressed by it, but. 00:24:08
Just, uh. 00:24:10
A question, yeah, I mean. 00:24:12
You do have to consider that whole area, so you can't do. 00:24:14
Most of it and. 00:24:17
You have to do the whole thing. 00:24:19
A little sliver, Yeah. And it's. And like I said, it's already part of your plan. You've done the work. 00:24:21
Yeah. It's just a matter of do you approve of it? 00:24:25
And Are you ready to submit that for certification? 00:24:30
But it doesn't lock us in. What we submit doesn't necessarily lock us into. 00:24:33
No. And in that respect, it's it's a, it's a conceptual plan. So you might look at the map on there and someone might look at that 00:24:39
and say, Oh well. 00:24:43
That's the plan. That's what's going to be implemented. 00:24:47
There's no way. 00:24:51
That's not how it works. 00:24:52
You know you don't build a city off of a conceptual plan. The. 00:24:53
How it happens is is that the city zones for what they want they do. 00:24:58
Design codes and everything to make sure that. 00:25:03
They get the type of development they want and the location that they want and then. 00:25:06
The development. 00:25:11
Community or individuals proposed projects that you consider. 00:25:12
That's how it gets implemented, not just. 00:25:17
A of rendering or a map that someone included as an exhibit. 00:25:20
Down there I add to that. 00:25:25
Yes, because you're going to clarify the zoning, right? Well, do you mind if I add to the general plan first? 00:25:29
I was I was looking. 00:25:34
I was just going to say it's a simple comment. 00:25:37
I was just going to say that this is important because it shows intention. 00:25:40
It's it's important for us to. 00:25:43
As a council if we're not comfortable with the plan. 00:25:45
Then the student approve it how it is. 00:25:48
Yeah, I like that what you're saying because I actually. 00:25:50
Was saying something similar but on. 00:25:53
The intention that it's going to show when we do or don't approve it. 00:25:56
You mentioned about. 00:26:00
The discussion that went on with the Utah League of Cities and Towns and the preemption that the state was talking about. 00:26:02
And now you're saying that there are no real requirements and So what we're really doing is handing in a general plan. 00:26:08
To the state. 00:26:14
And you? 00:26:15
Designated as a facilitator of a local body is going to go back to the state shortly. 00:26:17
And report on what we've done. 00:26:21
If we did the plan. 00:26:23
And how we did our land use. 00:26:25
Because one of their questions was, are we making the changes that the state is asking us to consider? 00:26:27
Of our own accord. 00:26:33
Because when we thought 4 out of the Utah League of Cities and Towns, we said. 00:26:34
Of course, we're going to consider all of those things. 00:26:38
And so. 00:26:41
Yes, tonight we're going to talk about our intent here. 00:26:42
And then that intent is going to be brought to the state and it will go back up for our report. 00:26:45
So as we make that decision, I think that's a. 00:26:49
Clarification we need. 00:26:51
Yeah. And I would just clarify that I'm not reporting to the state, I'm reporting to you. 00:26:52
So when it gets certified. 00:26:57
I give you. 00:26:59
The documents of certification and then you report to the state as part of your. 00:27:01
Moderate income housing plans. 00:27:06
Yeah, awesome. 00:27:09
All right. I would. I would. 00:27:12
Yeah. So there's no mandate. We can do what we want and we maintain control. 00:27:14
Yeah, you can do what you want I I think. 00:27:18
The and you should be comfortable. 00:27:21
With whatever plan that you've come up with, I would never advocate, but but it could be anything other. I mean, literally it's. 00:27:22
It could be our master plan that we've always done forever. 00:27:28
Just reporting. As long as it checks the boxes on Yeah, but there's no density. 00:27:33
There's no nothing additional. 00:27:38
So there's nothing that forces us. 00:27:41
If you want to make adjustments but then. 00:27:44
This plan. 00:27:47
Will be the one that you point to and then our master plan. 00:27:48
Has to update to what we agree that this new plan. 00:27:51
So that ties our hand. 00:27:56
That's that's up to the. 00:27:58
The city on how they want to incorporate that into their own. 00:27:59
Plans hasn't. 00:28:03
There's no specification on. 00:28:05
Right. That's like, just like a general plan is that you would work towards it, but if you didn't like it, you wouldn't. 00:28:07
So where the Heller can't. 00:28:12
To this new transportation plan and say hey, this transportation plan, the zoning fits here. 00:28:14
You have to follow this because it's in your. 00:28:19
Transfer your 10 year station plan. 00:28:21
Well, I think that could be argued. 00:28:25
Like if we were to approve something that we weren't comfortable with and then a developer takes it and they're like, oh, this is 00:28:27
what you guys said your intentions were, I think that could actually get us into some legal issues. 00:28:32
Right. So let's plan matters. Yeah, I do. This plan doesn't matter. 00:28:38
Yeah. 00:28:41
Of the lovely state. 00:28:44
Go ahead. OK. 00:28:47
There's nothing on the questions. Thank you. 00:28:49
Your time very welcome. I'd like to have, Sorry, I gotta leave. I apologize. We'd like to have city staff now get their 00:28:51
presentation. 00:28:54
Or did you have a question? 00:28:59
Hang on, don't leave yet. 00:29:01
Yeah. 00:29:06
Yeah, yeah. 00:29:08
I got 1. 00:29:09
You're not off the book yet. 00:29:13
We're not letting you leave tonight. 00:29:16
So I'm a little slow and I. 00:29:19
What I heard about this direction? 00:29:23
When I asked about it. 00:29:26
A few months ago when I first came on. 00:29:29
The Commission. 00:29:31
A lot of it was explained to me and I understand it. 00:29:32
But one thing. 00:29:35
That I think I need a little bit more. 00:29:37
Detail on or a little bit more clarification. 00:29:41
What is the leeway between? 00:29:45
What's? 00:29:48
And what has to be recertified? 00:29:49
How much space do we have in there? 00:29:52
I don't know if I understand the question between what's approved and what's recertified, What certified? 00:29:56
Originally or initially? 00:30:02
And. 00:30:04
What it would take to? 00:30:06
Have to have a recertified. 00:30:08
How much flexibility is it now? 00:30:10
Yeah, I mean. 00:30:16
Your. 00:30:18
It's your plan, and within that plan there's a required. 00:30:20
Implementation plan of things that you're supposed to do over the next five years according to the certified plan, according to 00:30:24
your plan, right? 00:30:29
Do you have your own action plan of things that you want to do and a certain. 00:30:33
In the next five years. 00:30:38
Now since HP 462 was. 00:30:39
Adopted they've. 00:30:43
Gone back in and read. 00:30:44
Reworked it a little bit, added something in there for reporting. 00:30:46
On that and so at 5:50. 00:30:50
510 and 15 years. 00:30:52
As they want you to report on your progress. 00:30:55
Towards your actions in your plan. 00:30:59
And so if you have actions in there, whatever they might. 00:31:03
D to, you know, rezone to. 00:31:07
You know, add a transportation infrastructure. 00:31:11
To do this or that. 00:31:15
And you just report on this is what we did. This is what we didn't do. 00:31:16
You know, or maybe. 00:31:21
Things have changed in the last five years and so. 00:31:23
The City Council. 00:31:26
Revise. 00:31:28
To update and revise. 00:31:30
Action Plan. 00:31:31
So what would be? 00:31:32
What I hear you saying is that. 00:31:34
At the five year. 00:31:36
It may require it. 00:31:38
Recertification. 00:31:40
Now there's no recertification. Yelling they've required is just a reporting of progress towards that now. 00:31:41
It's the state legislature. They can go in and they can. 00:31:49
Update. 00:31:53
The law at their discretion. 00:31:54
There, but it wouldn't be without. 00:31:57
Consultation with. 00:31:59
The cities and with the regional agencies and the leagues. 00:32:00
Cities and towns so. 00:32:04
Yeah, OK. Now can I? 00:32:09
Now we thank you. 00:32:12
Thank you, Dan. 00:32:14
Get out quick while you have a chance. 00:32:15
All right, so I'll take it from here. 00:32:18
And just go right to the schedule we have for the certification that we've been talking about all this while. 00:32:20
A couple of weeks ago we had a work session where we went through this. 00:32:26
Plan. 00:32:30
We have. 00:32:31
Very good feedback and comments from. 00:32:32
Planning Commission. 00:32:36
Some of which was. 00:32:37
The concern of. 00:32:39
Utah City being duplicated on the other side. 00:32:41
Having a lot more house than on the other side. 00:32:44
We a lot of people also on the Planning Commission and public shared. 00:32:48
Concerns about. 00:32:52
Potentially. 00:32:54
Having development that brings in a lot of sales tax. 00:32:55
That would potentially lower property taxes. These are good concerns. 00:32:59
And all of this has been considered. 00:33:03
And been used to update the plan. 00:33:05
That we're discussing today. 00:33:07
Today is no different from what we did last time. 00:33:09
We just want more feedback. 00:33:11
Any changes or potential? 00:33:14
Things that we need to add to it. 00:33:17
Need to be gathered today. 00:33:19
And we have up until 5th. 00:33:21
Of October. 00:33:23
To submit this to the. 00:33:24
SAP Policy Committee. 00:33:27
So we're welcome to even have one-on-one meetings with council members. 00:33:31
To give you. 00:33:35
Have a chance to also. 00:33:37
Make some more solid. 00:33:38
Comments and inputs to this document. 00:33:42
As we go. 00:33:44
The meeting date for. 00:33:46
The certification to happen is. 00:33:48
The 19th of November. 00:33:50
So the 5th gives us 45, gives them 45 days. 00:33:52
To review, give enough comments and then. 00:33:56
As he already mentioned. 00:34:00
Get precertified. 00:34:01
We make sure we incorporate all the comments. 00:34:04
And then? 00:34:07
Come back to City Council. 00:34:08
For consideration of an updated plan. 00:34:10
That has all the comments that you provide today. 00:34:13
To be considered for adoption. 00:34:16
So having said that, I've heard a lot of times to go on today. 00:34:20
Zone and land use General plan, Master plan. 00:34:23
We want to have a short. 00:34:26
Right now. 00:34:28
And this is intended to. 00:34:29
Put us all on the same page. 00:34:33
So we understand the. 00:34:35
Terms and the basic terms technologies that have been used here. 00:34:36
So we don't. 00:34:41
For lack of a better way of explaining, we don't twist what is intended to mean. 00:34:45
Having said that, zone in is the law. 00:34:50
If I may just real quick. Sure. Just so everyone knows. 00:34:53
What I would like to do is have Anthony give his presentation in its entirety. 00:34:56
And so if you have questions during the presentation, make a note of it. 00:35:01
So that what he's done. 00:35:05
We can then orderly process the comments and questions. That's what I would. 00:35:06
Encourage. Sure. I have a question about that. 00:35:11
Are we going into a public hearing or will we do it after the presentation? 00:35:13
I would anticipate the flow would be a presentation from staff. 00:35:18
Then we have discussions and questions of staff. 00:35:21
Then we'll open a public hearing. 00:35:24
Hear all of the public comment. 00:35:26
Then we'll close the public hearing. 00:35:28
Have further discussion addressing any questions that are raised. 00:35:30
And then consider some kind of action. 00:35:33
Thank you. 00:35:35
Thank you. 00:35:37
So. 00:35:38
As I'm mentioning, zoning is the law. 00:35:39
It's something that it is adopted by the City Council. 00:35:42
And that is what regulates. 00:35:46
What could be built? 00:35:48
And how we build it. 00:35:49
Building height, density, parking setbacks. 00:35:50
That is where you have the power to. 00:35:53
Affect changes to whatever is being in. 00:35:56
Than in the future. So that is the law we work with right now. 00:35:58
To ensure all the development that's happening right now in the city. 00:36:02
On the other hand. 00:36:06
And just to give you. 00:36:09
You know, umm. 00:36:11
How it looks This is a citywide zoning map. 00:36:12
With different colors. 00:36:15
Each color signifies different zones and it has various uses. 00:36:17
Under each zone. 00:36:22
And what is allowed? 00:36:23
You know what? What could be permitted by condition and what? 00:36:25
Is not allowed in various zones and that table on the side is just. 00:36:29
A sample. 00:36:33
Use table to give you an idea of how it works. 00:36:34
And that is the law of emphasizing that again. 00:36:37
Land use, on the other hand, is community driven. 00:36:41
It is a visionary. 00:36:45
Document. 00:36:49
It guides and is expected to be more flexible to evolve. 00:36:51
To adapt to the evolving market. 00:36:56
And it's also. 00:36:58
One that. 00:37:00
Can you can hold a developer too? 00:37:02
For implementation. 00:37:05
Because it's just a vision. 00:37:07
Things that we dream about. 00:37:09
Having in this area. 00:37:10
And the zoning is what? 00:37:12
Would affect these. 00:37:14
Vision. 00:37:16
Uses that or land uses. 00:37:18
That are. 00:37:20
Are having to I mean our. 00:37:22
In the plan right now. 00:37:23
And that's how it looks usually. 00:37:26
Just shows different I have. 00:37:28
These three showing. 00:37:30
Different land uses that are being proposed in the plan. 00:37:32
We talked about. 00:37:37
We've heard general planning our discussions. 00:37:38
I don't want to. 00:37:40
Make it clear. 00:37:41
A general plan is a citywide vision. 00:37:43
Again. 00:37:45
And if a general client had a baby? 00:37:46
That would be. 00:37:48
Station area plan. 00:37:49
So stationary plan focuses. 00:37:52
On 1/2 mile radius. 00:37:54
Just around the station. 00:37:57
Its intent is to. 00:38:00
Make sure that we're thinking about. 00:38:02
Land use. 00:38:04
Transportation connection. 00:38:05
And how the space is going to be envisioned overall? 00:38:07
When it comes to development. 00:38:11
General plan sets long term goals. 00:38:13
And, you know, serves as a broad policy guide. 00:38:16
For the city. 00:38:20
As it grows. 00:38:21
Now Dan Wayne. 00:38:24
Explained I'm now on the baby. 00:38:26
Of a general plan. 00:38:28
The SAP. 00:38:29
Now, Dan Wayne explained. 00:38:31
That the state requirement. 00:38:33
The state requires us to plan. 00:38:37
For 1/2 mile radius. 00:38:39
So the station is the red. 00:38:41
X that you see in the map that I have showing. 00:38:43
The 1st circle, the green one. 00:38:47
As a half mile radius. 00:38:49
And you can tell. 00:38:50
That on the West side of the tracks line. 00:38:53
We have. 00:38:55
The Utah City development and. 00:38:57
Vineyard downtown. 00:38:59
Already planned. 00:39:00
Zoning in place. 00:39:02
It's being implemented and developed right now as we speak. 00:39:03
The southern side of it. 00:39:07
It's also built out. 00:39:08
And the West and the east side. 00:39:10
There's what he described as. 00:39:12
Impracticable land because it belongs to. 00:39:16
Your view and we don't have control over that. 00:39:19
So what's left in the half mile radius? 00:39:23
Is what I've highlighted in the blue. 00:39:25
Within the green circle. 00:39:28
That is not enough planning to do. 00:39:31
Considering the northeastern section. 00:39:33
Being undeveloped right now. 00:39:35
So Vineyard took a step back. 00:39:37
And when went to. 00:39:40
A four mile radius. 00:39:43
And that's what you see as the yellow circle. 00:39:45
And that's what defined. 00:39:48
The focus area. 00:39:50
Of our station area plan. 00:39:51
Covering 430 acres. 00:39:53
Highlighted in the north section area of. 00:39:55
So very high level. 00:40:02
Overview. 00:40:04
This umm uh. 00:40:05
Land use framework here. 00:40:06
Considered based on. 00:40:09
The public engagement that happened two years ago and constant. 00:40:11
Engagement with the city. 00:40:16
This was what the consultants came up with. 00:40:18
As the most effective use of land. 00:40:22
For this area. 00:40:24
The 430 acres. 00:40:26
That has not been planned, I mean planned and developed yet. 00:40:27
This is not cast in stone. 00:40:32
It will change. 00:40:33
Or it could change depending on the zone and that is affected then. 00:40:35
Transportation networks. 00:40:39
We're only concerned. 00:40:41
You know the the city. 00:40:43
Envisions having a grid system. 00:40:45
And what we can do with this plan is. 00:40:47
Ensure that we have in its implementation phase. 00:40:49
The collector roads or the main roads? 00:40:52
Established. Well established like the Mill Road ext up north. 00:40:58
1200 N. 00:41:02
East to West. 00:41:04
Well established. 00:41:05
The secondary roads that you see in there looking like a grid. 00:41:07
To change. 00:41:10
How does that happen? 00:41:12
When developments come in. 00:41:13
And they're. 00:41:15
They do not work well with this. 00:41:17
It will change, for instance, if a Costco came on the corner of. 00:41:19
800 N and Mill Rd. 00:41:23
There won't be a road going right through the parcel. 00:41:25
It could change. 00:41:29
So, umm. 00:41:30
This is. 00:41:31
This for us to have an idea of what could happen. 00:41:32
On the left map. 00:41:37
You also see that there's. 00:41:38
There's a vision to have the. 00:41:40
The BRT line. 00:41:42
Which we currently have the UVX. 00:41:43
Come down into Vineyard City. 00:41:45
And go to the video station, making it a more. 00:41:48
Of a transportation hub, not just one train station. 00:41:53
Open spaces. 00:41:58
Then talked about if we're considering open spaces and if they connect. 00:41:59
Yes, we are. 00:42:03
Utah City has been. 00:42:04
With. 00:42:06
Alinea Park in the city, I mean. 00:42:08
In the development. 00:42:11
And there's intention to connect this linear park. 00:42:12
Over to the east side of the tracks line. 00:42:15
To allow more people to have access to. 00:42:18
Various parts that will be developed further. 00:42:20
Along in development. 00:42:23
And also. 00:42:25
And Charlotte, there's still connectivity. 00:42:26
Through a green line. 00:42:29
For people to enjoy this. 00:42:31
In the city. 00:42:33
So to establish. 00:42:35
Or to implement all these plans and visions that we're saying and again. 00:42:38
Everything that I'm showing is still very high level, very conceptual. 00:42:42
I'm not asking you to approve this as. 00:42:46
A zone in law. Because it's not. 00:42:49
It's just a land use vision. 00:42:51
What could happen? 00:42:54
These are the most effective. 00:42:55
Land uses that could happen in the space. 00:42:57
We need to establish the right of ways. 00:43:01
Talk about that. 00:43:03
Once we get that done, when developments come in. 00:43:04
We know what we're doing. We need to update the zone in. 00:43:07
And that is what will regulate what is being built. 00:43:09
What could be built and how? 00:43:12
Tall or wide or? 00:43:14
You know, just think about it. 00:43:15
Every whatever the building. 00:43:17
All development that comes in could be regulated with. 00:43:19
The zoning update. 00:43:23
That would happen eventually in the future. 00:43:26
To realize this vision for the station area. 00:43:29
The city would have to coordinate. 00:43:33
Property owners. 00:43:35
In such a way that. 00:43:36
Everything that comes in. 00:43:38
Is works well. 00:43:40
Or it's in line with. 00:43:43
The overall vision, which is the. 00:43:46
General plan. 00:43:48
And everything, every other use that's happening currently in the area, we're visiting a lot of uses such as. 00:43:50
You know we have in the Huntsman Council Institute come in. 00:43:57
There's going to be. 00:44:00
Potentially. 00:44:02
Medical uses that spring up. 00:44:05
And other. 00:44:06
Ancillary umm. 00:44:08
You know, medical services that could be provided. 00:44:09
Within that area. 00:44:13
Who's coming in? We don't know at all. 00:44:14
But time will tell as the market evolves. 00:44:16
When you get to coordinate with. 00:44:19
The infrastructure, I mean, I mean. 00:44:22
Various infrastructure projects. 00:44:24
Public infrastructure is going to be built and also also establish. 00:44:26
The right design standards. 00:44:30
To make sure that everything that's coming in is really something that Vineyard needs. 00:44:32
And lastly. 00:44:38
I would continue to support. 00:44:39
The land owners and also monetary remediation efforts. 00:44:41
That's ongoing right now. 00:44:45
On the proposed 430 acre site. 00:44:46
For this plan. 00:44:50
So now we all know what. 00:44:54
Map is. 00:44:57
And what a. 00:44:58
Land use map looks like. 00:44:59
On the left we have. 00:45:02
Mccarran Zone in. 00:45:04
And on the right we have the proposed land use. 00:45:06
In the plan based on everything else that's happened. 00:45:10
Considering public engagements. 00:45:14
And analysis. 00:45:16
Of the best use of the land. 00:45:19
This is just a visualization to, you know, illustration to show you how. 00:45:25
A coroner could potentially look. It could have a. 00:45:29
A bike, bike, bike lane. 00:45:32
With white sidewalks protected. 00:45:34
From the road. 00:45:37
You know, narrow roads that. 00:45:39
Make it safe for everyone. 00:45:40
To enjoy our streets. 00:45:41
Without fear of being hurt in any way. 00:45:43
Because it's safe. 00:45:46
So what are the next steps after? 00:45:48
Getting certified. 00:45:51
After we've. 00:45:52
Gone through all the. 00:45:53
Things we need to do get all your. 00:45:55
Feedback. 00:45:57
Present this to. 00:45:58
Mad getting certified. 00:46:00
We'll come back with a refined version of this plan that you're looking at. 00:46:02
But it's still a draft working document. 00:46:06
We can. We can pass that for sure. 00:46:09
We'll take all your comments. 00:46:11
Make sure this plan reflects every single thing that you share with us today. 00:46:13
Go to Planning Commission. 00:46:19
Come back to you. 00:46:20
And at that point? 00:46:21
You will consider this for. 00:46:23
A formal adoption, as Dan Wayne had explained. 00:46:27
So that is the end of my presentation. 00:46:32
Thank you. 00:46:35
Sir, I have a quick. 00:46:37
Crescent umm. 00:46:38
Considering timing of discussion, would it be prudent to open the public hearing and maybe allow people to speak that need to 00:46:40
leave as it's almost 7:00? 00:46:44
And then continue with. 00:46:49
Maybe they're the best conversation that could. 00:46:50
We're happy. 00:46:55
They'll feel OK with that. 00:46:57
All right, that is totally fine. Morgan, you did stand up. Did staff have anything they want to say before we open public 00:46:59
hearings? 00:47:02
Just to address any questions from the Council. 00:47:08
We're finding afterwards. 00:47:11
OK. All right. 00:47:13
Well, thank you. With that, we are now going to officially open the public hearing. 00:47:16
There's several people here that were at our last workshop on this item, so I'm excited to see some of you. 00:47:21
Sorry all of you that were there, I'm excited to see. 00:47:26
Clarify that. 00:47:30
But by all means, go use your time right now. We'll have. 00:47:33
Public hearing. Then after we close it, we'll address those comments and have further discussion. So time is now yours. 00:47:36
And just to confirm, is there? 00:47:42
That time limit on any of them does anybody need? 00:47:43
Do I need to worry about? 00:47:46
Saying a timer or. 00:47:47
We traditionally do 3 to 5 minutes but. 00:47:49
Let's go ahead and do. 00:47:57
5 minutes. 00:47:59
OK, so. 00:48:00
Members of the public, time is yours. 00:48:02
I just left you. 00:48:14
That's just. 00:48:16
I don't want to bump it and. 00:48:19
Mess it up. 00:48:20
Daria Evans Villas residence. 00:48:21
I just have one concern about the station area plan was. 00:48:25
I guess the word is mandated 1/2 mile around. 00:48:30
And now we have extended it to a mile around. 00:48:33
I really don't believe that's necessary. I think what we could, we could get all taken care of with a half mile. 00:48:36
Thank you. 00:48:42
Anyone else? 00:48:52
I'm Rachel Crane from Sleepy Ridge. 00:48:58
I just wanted to. 00:49:01
Share some thoughts about. 00:49:03
Recent Events. 00:49:06
Illustrate what happens when we fail to communicate effectively and unable to see the good. 00:49:07
In others efforts. 00:49:13
And I wanted to. 00:49:15
Say, what a great job. 00:49:17
Vineyard City does in speaking. 00:49:19
With kindness and compassion. 00:49:21
People that come up here even when they're not showing kindness and compassion to the. 00:49:23
The workers of the city and the. 00:49:28
And our representatives and mayor. 00:49:30
And I'd like to. 00:49:32
Say that it. 00:49:35
Really makes a difference. 00:49:36
When we. 00:49:38
Um. 00:49:40
Thank you for your sacrifices to help our city at such a critical time in its history as we establish patterns and plans that will 00:49:42
shape the city for decades to come. 00:49:46
I appreciate the thoughtful efforts to understand the issues and. 00:49:51
And act for the good of the community. 00:49:54
Even when some community. 00:49:56
Members, criticize your efforts. 00:49:58
Because they do not know this. 00:50:01
Constraints or the trade-offs? 00:50:03
I haven't attended a City Council meeting previously, but I have periodically watched videos of the proceedings and note the 00:50:05
consistent respect that I have seen in your responses to the public. 00:50:11
Even when they have not shown similar respect. 00:50:16
I was grateful to read recently of the effort of Sarah Cameron to establish a platform. 00:50:19
For increased communication so that we could have forum. 00:50:24
For more civil dialogue. 00:50:27
And I think that it would help our city so much. 00:50:29
To have. 00:50:32
Kindness. Compassion. 00:50:33
Kindness and compassion shown. 00:50:34
One to another, even to people that we don't agree with. 00:50:36
And that's all I have to say. 00:50:40
Thank you. 00:50:45
My name is Adam Tushar. I'm in the Windsor. 00:50:52
Neighborhood umm. 00:50:54
I like the I just from looking over the documents that were posted, I really like the concept of the station area plan. And my 00:50:56
question is a little bit specific and maybe it's too specific for this general plan, but just curious to see if we have any info 00:51:00
on this so. 00:51:04
It seems like, and I don't know how soon all this is going to be implemented right, but. 00:51:08
It seems like a key part would be kind of like. 00:51:12
Anthony was explaining the connection on the green line between the West side and the east side of the tracks. And I know that 00:51:15
there's a lot of work going on with like the bridge on 1200 and. 00:51:18
You know, might potentially a bridge on 400, but like if this happens sooner that would be a very useful connection. 00:51:23
And so I'm kind of curious what the plan is for. 00:51:28
People who you know, are maybe using the station as a means of crossing over to the other side if they want to access resources on 00:51:30
the other side. Like would there be an easy way to do that? Because obviously you can't right now. 00:51:35
But it might be prudent to consider putting like a. 00:51:41
I don't know, for lack of a better term like a. 00:51:44
Commuter lane or something like that. Like people who don't actually care about using the front runner at the moment, but that are 00:51:46
using it as a means to access the other side of the tracks. 00:51:51
The kind of vision I have of this is like the American Fork frontrunner station. If anyone's familiar with that, you can kind of 00:51:56
like. 00:51:58
I mean, like, yes, most people are going there to take the train, but there's kind of that underground thing that lets you pass 00:52:01
through. 00:52:03
Whereas, you know, on our current platform, it's like. 00:52:06
I don't know how that would work, right, because there's you have to go on the sorry, you have to go on the platform and then 00:52:09
you'd have to get off and you're. 00:52:12
Running into passengers and stuff like that. So I'd be curious to know if that's in the plans or not, or if that's something 00:52:15
that's being considered. 00:52:18
But it could be really good for. 00:52:21
Accessibility and. 00:52:22
You know, as we talk about like getting to these places, not necessarily having to. 00:52:24
You know, drive around or take Center Street or something like that. So. 00:52:28
That's my only question. 00:52:32
Thank you, Alan. 00:52:34
During Cornelius village resident. 00:52:45
I feel like I'm hearing two different presentations. I feel like I heard one thing. 00:52:48
For Mac and I'm hearing another thing from the city. 00:52:52
And they're not. 00:52:55
They're not lining up for me. 00:52:56
So I'm really struggling there but I am also hearing. 00:52:58
A phrase brought up many times about public engagement. 00:53:01
And we're doing this based on public engagement. 00:53:05
I would like you to elaborate on what and when and where that public engagements are. 00:53:08
And I would like that on the record. I don't want to be sent to somebody to ask that question. I would like that answered on the 00:53:13
record. Thank you. 00:53:17
Thank you, Karen. 00:53:23
My name is Tyler Hamilton. 00:53:34
I'm really here to make a comment on a different thing, but I figured I'd throw my opinion in because it seems to be a broad 00:53:36
level. 00:53:40
So I if you want to, I'm not going to take your time away so. 00:53:44
But there is a separate agenda item later for a general public comment. 00:53:48
Yeah, yeah. So. 00:53:52
Yeah, I'm. 00:53:54
I'm just throwing in my opinion on this because I happen to be here is what I'm trying to say OK? 00:53:55
Because it seems to be a broad level. 00:54:01
Type of thing. 00:54:03
My biggest priorities here are to be able to take. 00:54:04
Multiple forms of transportation. 00:54:07
And have the. 00:54:09
Place be mixed-use and also safe for the forms of transportation. 00:54:10
So like right now we have. 00:54:14
Where I live, you have to. 00:54:15
To get to like the nearest pizza place, it's on Mill Rd. 00:54:17
And I have to bike if I took a bike like. 00:54:20
It's like a mile, a mile and a half and Mill Rd. is like super dangerous for people on bikes because you're just biking down that 00:54:23
gutter. 00:54:27
Whereas in a place that has. 00:54:32
More transportation options and where it's mixed-use maybe you live. 00:54:34
You know the pizza places on the ground for. 00:54:38
And you live on the second floor. 00:54:40
Building. I don't know if we're planning to. 00:54:42
Again, I have no idea what the. 00:54:44
Plan was I was here for something else. 00:54:46
So maybe you don't have that tall buildings but. 00:54:48
No, it's a lot safer to just walk downstairs. 00:54:51
And a lot more convenient and a lot more pleasant for people. 00:54:54
Than having the bike. 00:54:57
Across what we have now with it. 00:54:58
Structure. So that's kind of what I would like to see out of this area. 00:55:01
Is there any other member of the public? 00:55:10
All right, everyone. 00:55:15
We will go ahead. 00:55:16
OK. 00:55:21
Are you speaking as a member of the public? 00:55:24
Yeah, Councilmember. So 5 minutes, I'll take it. 00:55:25
When we set forth the master plan. 00:55:33
And set forth. This is a bestest. 00:55:36
Business district. We did so because the land is contaminated at such a level. 00:55:38
That it didn't permit housing. 00:55:43
I know we just barely gave a PID so that Utah City could. 00:55:45
Take more of our. 00:55:48
Government, a government loan to be able to go through and do that. 00:55:49
And more RDA money. 00:55:52
To be able to get to that level. 00:55:54
I just want to make it publicly known that I have already mentioned that I found out about this 48 hours ago. Apparently the 00:55:57
Planning Commission got it. 00:56:00
Two weeks earlier. 00:56:05
But. 00:56:07
For city staff to not. 00:56:08
And for him to say, hey, this started two years ago. 00:56:10
And we had an election where we talked a lot about. 00:56:14
Density, yeah. 00:56:17
And how much our citizens? 00:56:19
Are we are the most dense city in the state of Utah right now? 00:56:21
Already right now. 00:56:25
Without any changes. 00:56:27
And we talk a lot about that. 00:56:29
And the way in which Vineyard has grown, it's grown faster through residential. 00:56:31
And so because of that, our residents are paying. 00:56:36
In similar cities next to us, four times the residential property. 00:56:38
Because our business tax has not gone well. 00:56:43
Because it hasn't gone well. 00:56:46
Well, other things that have disadvantaged us is that we gave RDA money to UVU. 00:56:48
That will not be a tax base, so we limited that out of the RDA. 00:56:53
That hurt us because the equation had that land already for businesses. 00:56:57
Then we gave property to Huntsman that we cleaned up. 00:57:03
That was going to be for businesses. 00:57:06
And that is a non profit. 00:57:08
If we go and change more of this to residential. 00:57:10
We limit future ability to lower our tax rates to a level that would be common with Orem City and others. 00:57:13
And this land has to be a business district. 00:57:21
If we don't. 00:57:24
When we modeled that out many years ago. 00:57:26
That was the only way in which we would be able to get back to the other residential. 00:57:30
And it bothers me that. 00:57:35
When we say that, we're extending this. 00:57:37
I was never told that Vineyard City staff. 00:57:40
As an elected body. 00:57:43
Would take something and say. 00:57:45
There is no mandate because that's what we heard today and that we are going to expand that to a not 1/2 mile to a mile and that 00:57:47
we have spent. 00:57:51
Thousands of dollars with staff thinking of something. 00:57:56
That we know the citizens have already turned down an election. 00:58:00
I would like to know. 00:58:04
When was that approval that they could go? 00:58:06
And actually even work on this document without me knowing. 00:58:08
I've had weekly meetings with Eric. 00:58:12
This has never been brought up in the last two years. David Luray has been in every meeting. 00:58:14
So to have documents that are so detailed like this. 00:58:19
To circumvent. 00:58:23
A government person that I was elected. 00:58:25
For and by the people. 00:58:28
To know about this. 00:58:30
How am I supposed to act as an officer if you don't treat me like that? 00:58:35
Why was I having? Why did we have an election? 00:58:41
None of you guys were elected. 00:58:44
I was. 00:58:46
So for none of you telling me about this, why? 00:58:48
Why do I have this office? 00:58:50
It's not to be mean. 00:58:52
But it's because the people chose me to do this. 00:58:55
And I can be outvoted. I could be. 00:58:59
You guys could come and say. 00:59:01
Hey, Jake, we're going to come and outvote it. 00:59:03
But for me to not even know. 00:59:05
I was elected for a reason. 00:59:12
Thank you, Member Holdaway. 00:59:17
Are there any other members of the public? 00:59:19
I am one of the citizens. 00:59:24
Pumona for Jake. 00:59:26
He is supposed to be my voice. 00:59:27
Barbara Porter from the Hamptons. 00:59:32
And if he is not? 00:59:35
Getting the information. 00:59:38
That is wrong. 00:59:40
Because he is supposed to represent us. 00:59:42
And if he's not getting the information, how can you do that? 00:59:44
We aren't getting the information. I follow the city. 00:59:48
I follow all the social media. 00:59:50
I've never heard about this. 00:59:53
So this has not happened. 00:59:56
Had public engagement. 00:59:58
In any way? 01:00:00
And so don't say it has. 01:00:02
And you are purposely. 01:00:06
Keeping Jake. 01:00:08
From having information. 01:00:10
In order for him to represent me. 01:00:12
In the citizens he voted for him. 01:00:16
And to me. 01:00:20
That is betrayal. 01:00:23
Of our city govern. 01:00:25
Because you are. 01:00:27
Who has the information and who does not? 01:00:29
And everybody. 01:00:32
Should have the information. 01:00:33
I pay my taxes. 01:00:35
I should know what's going on. 01:00:37
And you guys aren't doing that? 01:00:39
Can I make a appointment for me? OK. 01:00:42
Go ahead. I'm not that sure right now. 01:00:44
Hey, Jake Signature. 01:00:46
That's the travel. So can I make a statement? 01:00:47
I think a lot of us have statements. Could we finish public hearing? 01:00:50
Just first and then close it. 01:00:54
Please. 01:00:56
OK. With that we will close. 01:01:00
The public hearing. Thank you everyone. We had comments from Darius, Stacey, Adam. 01:01:02
Karen Tyler, Councilmember Hardaway, as well as Barbara. 01:01:08
I would like to address these. 01:01:13
One of the things that. 01:01:16
I just want to say. 01:01:17
When it comes to. 01:01:18
How we get information? 01:01:20
From the city. 01:01:23
I myself as a Planning Commission member. 01:01:24
Created an account with the website so that I am emailed. 01:01:28
Agendas you can choose and filter. 01:01:31
What meetings you want to be, you know? 01:01:34
Notified of them. That's available to everyone. 01:01:36
Which I think is a really cool system. 01:01:39
There's some other questions that they had that I want to refer to staff. 01:01:41
To address. 01:01:46
So if we could please. 01:01:51
First half staff addressed some of the questions that were raised during the public hearing. 01:01:52
And then I would like to have comments and questions and discussion. 01:01:56
With these two bodies, so first Morgan and Anthony, if you could address. 01:02:01
The question of. 01:02:07
Why 1/2 mile versus a full mile? 01:02:08
I appreciate. 01:02:13
That we speak with kindness. 01:02:14
What kind of connection or pedestrian access? 01:02:17
There is for people who want to access either side of the tracks. 01:02:20
And then what this has to do with the commercial tax base and multiple forms of transportation? 01:02:27
And then please. 01:02:33
Close with the level of public engagement that has taken place. I believe if we do that we've addressed. 01:02:35
All the questions that were there, I'd have to read those back if you need. 01:02:40
Can I ask for a point of clarity on your rules? 01:02:44
Are we able to address staff as they're explaining if we stay on? 01:02:47
Task that they're explaining for our own purposes of clarity? Or do you want us to readdress them when they're done after? 01:02:53
While Morgan or Anthony or. 01:02:59
Speaking, addressing just those items that were public hearing. 01:03:01
If there is a follow up question that you need clarity for, I think that's. 01:03:04
OK. Thank you. 01:03:10
Great. Yeah. Thank you so much. 01:03:10
Planning Commission and members of the City Council. 01:03:13
So the half mile, that's what's required under the state law that was passed. 01:03:16
We as a city working with Mac. 01:03:22
Pushed it to 1/2 mile because that would cover the full eastern Utah area and also the downtown kind of falls with within the 01:03:24
within the full mile. So we thought from like a Rd. standpoint open space and land use of that helped us to look at more 01:03:30
comprehensively than than just just a half mile. But it it that that is also an option is just to simply adopt kind of the half 01:03:36
mile or. 01:03:41
Tonight's not adoption. Tonight is essentially a presentation and affording. 01:03:47
It to the the SAP. 01:03:52
PD committee for the review and then we would come back for adoption. Can I have a follow up to that one? 01:03:53
Even if we do subdivide the plan and we accept the .5 to move forward because that's all we can forward anyway to them, we don't 01:04:00
actually ever accept the you don't send them the full mile. 01:04:05
Because they can't certify beyond their space scenario plan. 01:04:11
My question is. 01:04:15
If we don't end up. 01:04:16
Finalizing the full mile. 01:04:18
Will that make it so the city cannot continue to plan on Sasaki and we'll lose that funding? 01:04:20
Or will we be able to continue that search and continue having those discussions as a current and future council? Yeah, yeah, 01:04:27
we'll we'll be able to continue those those conversations. 01:04:32
And station Area plan is a living brain document. It's not providing entitlements. The intent is that you adopt something. 01:04:38
That you would at some point implement. 01:04:46
And the zoning is the implementation tool of how you do that. 01:04:49
And so. 01:04:53
Yeah. That's that that that's essentially kind of kind of how you do it. 01:04:55
I never speak, just kind of. 01:04:59
Also talking about like the half mile, like the planning process itself. 01:05:01
That there is a lot of environmental work and planning that still needs to occur on East Geneva. So there's been talk of of 01:05:06
residential that's something you can or cannot do. You know, you don't, you don't necessarily need to. 01:05:12
Have residential in the plan we the plan is to. 01:05:19
Move forward with an environmental planning that would look at the details of the site. There's been a lot of work already done. 01:05:23
And I believe that's going to occur within like the next four to six months. 01:05:30
Where they would identify in better detail the concrete structures and then kind of the any contamination that may be there. 01:05:35
And so. 01:05:44
Once that would occur, I think that would be a good time too. 01:05:46
If you wanted to do a more refined plan where you could. 01:05:49
You know that that would to me that would be an appropriate time to actually do zoning so you would have an entitlements in place. 01:05:52
And so when? 01:05:59
So anyway, that's I I guess and that kind of addresses like the the 4th 1. 01:06:00
The public engagement we. 01:06:05
But did did meet the requirements for this plan came out we we held a public open house. We were at the at the park. 01:06:07
During the vendor days as well and then there was a virtual. 01:06:15
About platform where we were able to take in comments. 01:06:21
There was A and I, you know, I do agree there. There was a. 01:06:24
A long period where because of the constraints on the site and working with the land owners there trying to figure out and get 01:06:28
some sort of a consensus where it did, it did take about about a year. 01:06:33
Where we were able to come back, but we believe that we now do have a plan that addresses those, but it did there. There was a 01:06:39
public process. 01:06:43
That that we went through and this. 01:06:49
The work session and tonight that's that's also part of the public process because the plan gets adopted later. 01:06:50
This just puts it before the SAP committee for their review and comments. 01:06:56
Thank you for that. I think that is. 01:07:01
Maybe that clarifies my point. 01:07:05
But could you just explain? 01:07:08
Why when it gets to the end of? 01:07:11
There was council discussion. 01:07:13
Public discussion. 01:07:15
Public out to the. 01:07:18
You know, our actual public. 01:07:20
And then it was on hold. 01:07:23
Is what you're saying right? I'm clarifying, yeah, I wouldn't necessarily on a hold. We were meeting a lot because there, I mean 01:07:26
as everyone's aware, the East Geneva portion of the site has a lot of environmental issues and. 01:07:32
Is has been in the process of cleanup for for several years. I guess what I mean it was on hold before it had to come back to us, 01:07:39
right? 01:07:42
For the rest of the vetting. 01:07:45
So we have done our part, the public have done their part and then it had to go through a staff vetting process. 01:07:48
And now it's coming back to us. 01:07:53
Back into the public. 01:07:55
Back into the presence of our feedback, where we'll get to make the ultimate judgment. 01:07:56
And what you're saying is, so anybody that is being represented, anybody that is waiting for their representative to have a voice? 01:08:01
Has the ability to thoroughly go through the plan. 01:08:08
Right. Take the. 01:08:11
Look for it. 01:08:12
And voice the opinions that are necessary. 01:08:14
As it comes back to us today. 01:08:16
And if you don't like the. 01:08:18
You'll send that feedback in, your voice will be heard, and then it'll go through that process that Anthony. 01:08:20
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And I do apologize. We're happy to meet with any council members want one-on-one. We're always available 01:08:25
to do that. 01:08:28
And especially, you know, before it goes before the SAP committee. 01:08:32
To take for further comments. 01:08:38
Right before we move on and talk about the. 01:08:39
Transportation and accessibility things, since we're talking about the public access. 01:08:43
I think it's important for both bodies as well as the community to know. 01:08:48
Pages 26 through 30 of the plan. 01:08:52
A lot of the feedback that staff received with the initial outreach. 01:08:56
I've been a part of plans where we hear criticisms of hey. 01:09:01
You're coming to us for the first time already with an idea. 01:09:04
Don't do that. 01:09:07
Get us involved at the beginning. 01:09:09
One of the things I want to commend with this plan is that. 01:09:10
The community was involved at the beginning. 01:09:13
Literally at the park. 01:09:15
I remember staff being there two years ago. 01:09:16
With blank canvases. 01:09:19
Saying community. 01:09:20
What do you want to see here? 01:09:22
You you took that feedback, You really think that citizens? 01:09:24
Point of order. Point of order. 01:09:29
I if you could please let me finish, OK? 01:09:32
I just want to I do. 01:09:35
Because I was there. 01:09:37
I do remember asking. 01:09:39
What is this? 01:09:40
And they said. 01:09:42
There's this area. 01:09:43
Over there in east Geneva. 01:09:44
And I said. 01:09:45
What is East Geneva? 01:09:46
And they pulled out a map. 01:09:48
And they said this location here. 01:09:50
And they had questions. 01:09:52
Saying in general. 01:09:54
What kind of public space does Vineyard need more of? 01:09:55
And they had a lot of different examples. 01:09:59
And they had opportunities to say if you don't want any of these 9 examples. 01:10:01
What else do you want to see? 01:10:05
And you could write it down. 01:10:07
We had 44. 01:10:09
People that said they want to see more nature. 01:10:11
There were 31 people that said I want to have more opportunities to play. 01:10:13
All of this is in. 01:10:18
The document. 01:10:19
I am right now just thanking staff for including that in the document itself. 01:10:21
So that as we look into what the plan actually is. 01:10:26
There is a preface in there. 01:10:30
Of you weren't making this up. 01:10:32
You're not just coming up with an idea. 01:10:34
But that it is a result. 01:10:36
Of public input. 01:10:38
I just wanted to thank you for that. 01:10:41
Thank you. 01:10:43
And and and and part of the plan too is from this there. 01:10:44
There was provided three options. 01:10:48
And that that was what the public was able to comment on those. And So what you see is kind of a refined option based based off 01:10:50
of. 01:10:53
A lot of the comments that that that we had received now I do understand because there was kind of that I guess that role as far 01:10:57
as being public facing as the as staff work with the property owners to to get the the plan there. 01:11:03
To get kind of to this point, you know, it, it did, it did take a while and so I do apologize. Happy to as you know, staff members 01:11:09
to to sit down with any council members, members of the community and to talk about, you know, any portion of the plan and and 01:11:14
further detail. 01:11:18
As far as the pedestrian connection, we think that's a really great idea and we have been actively working with UTA, with UDOT, 01:11:24
with the property owners, with Utah Valley University. I apologize. Did you have a question? 01:11:30
Oh, I thought that's fine. 01:11:37
And to to to look at crossings right now, I believe. 01:11:39
One of the options is a pedestrian bridge that would go from where the front runner station is. 01:11:42
In the downtown portion of Utah City, over to the. 01:11:49
UVU area. 01:11:53
And so we've been looking at, you know, is it like a seamless? 01:11:55
A type of bridge where you ride your bike and you just kind of come right, right over or is it one of those that comes up with 01:11:58
stairs with an elevator? So there's a lot of different options and that'll. 01:12:03
Well, we'll get to that that bridge. 01:12:08
Like when we process. 01:12:11
So. 01:12:13
But that's a really great idea. I love the idea of potentially doing doing a tunnel. And I think, I think we're open to, to, to 01:12:14
any of those would require permits and obviously costs would would be a factor that that we would weigh in. 01:12:20
Another cool idea too is we talked to the university about potentially having one of their buildings and potentially a parking 01:12:27
structure with the bridge coming across going from building to building too. So there's there's lots of different options. We like 01:12:32
the idea of having a problem. I feel like an extension into UVU. 01:12:37
And also as part of the public, public engagement too, we've worked a lot with the stakeholders, so UVU, the property owners, EU 01:12:44
dot, UTA. And so that's also part of the public process too. And we've met with them and we feel like we've got good consensus. 01:12:51
The the the commercial tax base as you see in the plans, if you go back to the land use plan, Anthony. 01:12:59
The Landys plan. 01:13:07
As is shown is pretty general. The idea is that we would be able to adopt zoning that could then dive in a little bit more 01:13:09
specifically. 01:13:13
And then that would give the City Council, I mean, that's really zoning is really where you have a lot of I mean, the plan 01:13:18
provides the the guideline. It says, yeah, we will do these. You know, we we kind of like this this general. 01:13:24
Direction zoning is the very specific. It's like the single. 01:13:30
Track, mountain bike trail that you're on, it's very, very specific. 01:13:34
And so that is when. 01:13:39
As council members and members of the Planning Commission and members of the public, where you'd come together and then you would 01:13:41
detail exactly what you want. 01:13:44
That could look at anything from building form to the land uses. 01:13:48
Is is it appropriate to have residential? Do you not want residential? Do you want commercial? Do you want big box? You want 01:13:52
mixed-use? Do you want more hospitals? 01:13:55
That's that's really where you would pinpoint the specific land uses. 01:13:59
And so. 01:14:04
So anyway, just to kind of point that out. 01:14:04
And I can see for this. 01:14:07
The plan, kind of the flex office idea, is keeping. 01:14:09
A big substantial amount of the area for things like. 01:14:12
Advanced manufacturing looking at. 01:14:17
A lot of medical uses. There's a lot of interest ever since the Huntsman Cancer Institute started their groundbreaking. 01:14:21
Potentially working with. 01:14:27
University of Utah Health and some of the other medical partners that there's a lot of interest in putting a medical uses here and 01:14:30
that's really important. 01:14:35
And it would definitely help the tax base, especially because those are people who would eat and live within the community and 01:14:39
they provide a great, a great. 01:14:44
Spectrum of jobs, everything from students up to up to doctors. 01:14:48
And so. 01:14:53
And then the idea between around the the mixed-use commercial is there's potential for for nodes creating placemaking. 01:14:54
And so you see like 1200 N and Mill Road and then even up to 1400 N, that's kind of the dashed line on the north side. 01:15:02
And and Mill Rd. where you could have little nodes and, and the idea was that that would be like a place where you could have 01:15:08
some, some commercial, some eateries, places where where you could, you could walk. 01:15:13
And they would connect into the overall transportation system that that's being proposed. 01:15:18
When we talk residential, we've always talked about if. 01:15:23
Ever there were residential that it's not just giant neighborhoods the idea is that it would be residential that's supportive of 01:15:26
employment and so if you have. 01:15:30
And to to just want a specific thing, but it provides kind of the flexibility as you look at zoning to then. 01:16:05
You know fit it to, to to what to what you want the time. 01:16:12
So it's just such a big area is that we didn't, we didn't necessarily want to exclude that. 01:16:15
City Council, county for that. So we're not we're not opposed to that, but we wanted. 01:16:20
Have that that available and they're. 01:16:23
There's definitely some some interest of being able to have an employee housing that that could accommodate. 01:16:26
You know, I think that build out, there's gonna be a lot of jobs there and so being able to accommodate those jobs and provide 01:16:32
matching some housing with it. 01:16:35
Let me think. 01:16:39
Yeah, that's. 01:16:40
I think I just, I kind of want that address the questions. 01:16:42
From. 01:16:45
The public just want to. 01:16:46
Touch. 01:16:49
You mentioned about the multiple forms of transportation. 01:16:52
And. 01:16:56
Council Member Holdaway during his public comment did talk about the concern about commercial tax base. Could you just spend a 01:16:58
little bit more time? 01:17:02
Sure. 01:17:06
The cities need for. 01:17:07
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And I think Anthony may have some comments on that too. But the idea is like you're, you're kind of that 01:17:09
blue area is going to be just for commercial type type uses. So it would be like employment uses. So anything from approximately 01:17:15
how many acres does that blue area represent? So the the whole area, what's the, what do we have for? 01:17:21
430, yeah. 01:17:28
As. 01:17:30
About, yeah, about it's kind of split. It's about 200 and 200. 01:17:33
Now even the red though. 01:17:36
Is primarily commercial. So that's how it's always been kind of kind of thought through. It's not to learn like giant townhome 01:17:38
neighborhoods. The idea is that you would take zoning as a Planning Commission. You would analyze that, City Council would then 01:17:44
analyze it and adopt something. 01:17:49
That you'd say, you know, if you wanted. 01:17:55
You would just say, OK, we pinpointed around here are some residential around this node. 01:17:57
Or maybe around this road or not have it at all. And so really the majority of the land is designated for employment and. 01:18:02
You know, and working with our state officials, they're very excited about this being a regional and employment center. 01:18:10
You know, with the three. 01:18:17
Freeway entrance is coming in and this is such an excellent site. 01:18:19
For employment and jobs. 01:18:22
So from a tax base standpoint, you know, we don't have specific numbers. You you get the numbers once you start like. 01:18:24
Going and doing a pro forma and and putting score footages down and and getting into the details, we haven't done that yet because 01:18:30
we're not to zoning. 01:18:34
But providing kind of. 01:18:38
A really large area to accommodate large commercial uses is kind of setting it up for forgive employment or for good tax base 01:18:40
also. 01:18:44
Residential price taxes too. So that's that's something to to. 01:18:48
Not necessarily. Say it doesn't. 01:18:52
You know, like. 01:18:55
So I I just want to point that out too, It's not like if you put a residential use, you're not, you're not. 01:18:57
Getting any taxes from that as well. 01:19:01
Got it. Thank you. So while that blue area is flex commercial that allows? 01:19:04
A variety of different kind of commercial uses. 01:19:09
Creating jobs. 01:19:11
The red. 01:19:13
Also creates. 01:19:14
Jobs but might create more opportunities like. 01:19:15
Our neighbor said you could go downstairs and get pizza rather than needing to drive. 01:19:18
Yeah, pizza. Just more flex opportunities for misuse. Understood. 01:19:22
Thank you. I just wanted to remind us all that. 01:19:28
I'd appreciate it if. 01:19:32
We had some comments that also point to things that you want to see added. 01:19:33
To the plan because one of my main. 01:19:38
Reason for being this. 01:19:40
It's trying to get something more substantial as well. 01:19:43
Where I can just go in and make edits and make improvements and if it demands that we have analysis done. 01:19:46
You can start working on that before the 5th of October. 01:19:51
My question is is. 01:19:56
I mean, I'm still trying to wrap my head around this. 01:19:58
Where did you get the liberty just to create a new plan if you didn't come to the body to ask it? 01:20:03
You dreamed up a new plan. 01:20:09
That didn't exist. The state doesn't mandate. 01:20:11
Any changes? 01:20:14
Yet we sat down and drafted. 01:20:16
A completely new plan. 01:20:18
And then you say. 01:20:21
We asked for more money. 01:20:22
To do an expanded plan. 01:20:24
And I'm on the legislative body and I'm going, maybe, maybe these people have given you nods quietly, maybe they haven't. 01:20:27
But I'm just wondering how our planning department. 01:20:33
Even started doing this from the City Council adopting a budget for the SAP plan and the City Council. Right? I think the City 01:20:36
Council did work sessions on. I'm all right with that. 01:20:42
I would like for Morgan to complete his comment point of order can we have Morgan can. 01:20:47
Changing all the. 01:20:56
But what I'd like to do? 01:20:58
We were allowing everyone to ask a question. 01:21:00
Based off what Morgan was talking about. 01:21:02
I believe that. 01:21:05
Member Holdaway was asking the question. 01:21:06
Allow you to finish that question so then Morgan can address. 01:21:08
Yeah. So it's like. 01:21:11
You've spent years on this master plan. 01:21:13
And I get it. 01:21:16
OK. So you're saying we put it into a budget line item? 01:21:17
And then the staff sat down. 01:21:20
And apparently they went to a park with a bench. 01:21:24
Had people walk up and say what do you want? 01:21:27
It was event during the new days. 01:21:28
I think during the new days, well, I mean, it's still like. 01:21:30
The average person that comes in your days, how much detail they have into a master plan and then. 01:21:35
From that the Planning Commission went. 01:21:39
And completely blew up something. 01:21:42
And changing the entire trajectory. 01:21:46
Planning Commission didn't draft anything. 01:21:48
Or the timing tries interrupt timing stuff. So that's. 01:21:50
Yeah, that's good to know that our staff sat down. 01:21:53
And spent 10s of thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours. 01:21:56
And I didn't know about it like. 01:22:02
Sarah, can I please make a clarification to the facts that are being stated? 01:22:06
I think that's beneficial. 01:22:10
Is this leading to a question? Well, it's just like. 01:22:12
Then he shouldn't be able to act outside of the master plan, even spending any time or dollars. 01:22:15
Drafting up something completely different. 01:22:20
They would come to a point of order. The Chair asked you. 01:22:22
If you're coming. 01:22:25
We're going to change. 01:22:27
The master plan in. 01:22:29
So Morgan was talking about the approved budgets and the actions. 01:22:31
That were approved. 01:22:35
By the City Council. 01:22:37
To spend the money. 01:22:39
So if that was your question, can we allow Morgan the time to answer it? 01:22:40
Or do you have more? No, it's how did we? Because if we spent the money, it would be OK. There's no mandate to change. So here's 01:22:45
our master plan. This is where it's at. 01:22:49
I'm wondering how it. 01:22:54
It drew up. 01:22:55
To completely different from the master plan and it just. 01:22:57
What I'm hearing is, is that. 01:23:00
The planning staff just. 01:23:01
Dreamed up something different. 01:23:03
And now they then presented it back to you. 01:23:04
Yeah, so. 01:23:07
Answering that question, Morgan. 01:23:08
Could you briefly? 01:23:10
Explain. We know that this is a multi year project. 01:23:12
It started with. 01:23:16
Something. 01:23:18
Could you just rehash that very briefly? Yeah. And I would say even for the SAP, this started with the City Council, The City 01:23:19
Council, I think it was like. 01:23:22
Would have to look of the. 01:23:26
We've been done work sessions on just Ishaiva. I remember Tice was LED one of those meetings and it was. 01:23:28
It was a meeting where we talked about you, Geneva, what, what were the, what the infrastructure we wanted to see what were the 01:23:35
types of uses right. And that and then the, and then the, the, the state code came out. No, it wasn't. It was. 01:23:41
Work session to move the process and then the state code came out and. 01:23:47
Had a requirement that there be a stationary plan around fixed stations so it was budgeted for. 01:23:51
We're that the budget? 01:23:57
Provides provides the means to move forward that and so we applied. 01:23:59
For the funds through MAG. 01:24:03
And we received the funds, we got the the contract approved with consultant through the City Council and the process started. 01:24:05
Right. But wouldn't you come back with the exact master plan? Well, if I, if I, if I can follow that, if I could finish, if I 01:24:11
could finish. So in 2000, I believe 2007. 01:24:15
We say master plan. 01:24:20
That can mean a lot. 01:24:21
I think you're talking zoning. 01:24:22
There was a general plan that that was adopted in 2007. 01:24:24
That was updated in 2011. It was then updated again in 2018. 01:24:27
The zoning code itself was updated in 2017. 01:24:32
So all these documents are when we say living or breathing councils all have their. 01:24:36
They're the issues that they want to move forward through the land use provisions. 01:24:41
And so we do see updates and changes all the time. 01:24:47
Right. That happens all the time, right. But the last two years there hasn't been anything in request. And so I'm wondering how 01:24:49
like you guys went from this is what's in the master plan. 01:24:54
And we budget it. 01:24:58
To drafting something so. 01:25:00
Radically different. 01:25:04
I think he's addressed that question a few times. So what I'm going to do, I'm not ending conversation by any mean. 01:25:06
I'd like to give other people opportunity to ask questions. 01:25:12
Of staff and then following answering questions of staff. 01:25:15
We can have more discussion, so. 01:25:19
First, members of the Planning Commission, if you have a question. 01:25:22
I do have a question for Morgan. 01:25:29
Before I get to that though, I just want to say since a couple different things were logged out. 01:25:32
I speak for myself and probably most members of the Planning Commission. 01:25:36
That we are always open and welcome. 01:25:40
Any conversation with any council members? 01:25:43
Several of them have reached out to me. 01:25:46
It's not possible. 01:25:47
For me to know. 01:25:49
What Councilmember, Holdaway or anyone else has research? 01:25:50
Or had discussions about South. 01:25:54
Just when I say answer. 01:25:56
That claim as well. 01:25:58
But several of you have reached out and had great conversations. Thank you. 01:25:59
And during our working session I expressed. 01:26:02
I was one that expressing concerns about. 01:26:07
Additional residential. 01:26:09
And just not really certain. 01:26:10
About this percentage. 01:26:13
My question, Morgan, is what can we do to keep this moving forward? But so. 01:26:15
Maybe pull out the residents proportionally evaluate it. 01:26:19
Just because we have multiple areas now proposed to be. 01:26:22
Some solely residential and some mixed-use and. 01:26:26
Because we're not sure exactly what that percentage will be. I'm not like, comfortable with it. 01:26:29
What could we do to move forward? 01:26:33
Right now, but still. 01:26:35
Reevaluate the residential piece. Sure, yeah. And and kind of to to your point. 01:26:36
The if residential is the most. 01:26:42
I would say like controversial or the theme of of note that that we want to consider further. 01:26:46
Part of what we still need to do on it you should be the area is the environmental studies that will help. 01:26:52
The landowner and the city. 01:26:59
Come up with with with zoning so we'd be able to pinpoint. 01:27:02
Exactly. Umm. 01:27:05
Where? 01:27:06
Different land uses can go. 01:27:07
And so residential doesn't even need to be considered today. That's something that you could. 01:27:09
Elaminate fennel plant. If you're not comfortable with that, the idea is that it basically provides just a general mechanism 01:27:14
within that that red area. 01:27:17
That you could. 01:27:21
Insert that within a zoning code and then specify exactly where you want it. But you've right now if if it's just. 01:27:22
That's not something that the City Council or the Planning Commission is comfortable. You can pull it out of the plan right now 01:27:29
and then reconsider it later in the future. We have those environmental studies completed, so that's not. 01:27:35
It's not, you know, it's not something that you have to. 01:27:41
Do right now and that would help it look forward. Yeah, that's that's really helpful. 01:27:44
Several things that were mentioned I think are really helpful is thinking about that, that bio hub, how it might connect with UVU 01:27:49
and Utah City, those green spaces, I think those do meet a lot of the things that we're excited about. 01:27:55
Very interested in. 01:28:03
Focusing on that commercial piece as well. So I think that would be. 01:28:04
That would be really helpful. 01:28:08
Anyone else from the Planning Commission have any? 01:28:12
Questions of stuff. 01:28:14
OK, members of the Council, any questions of staff? 01:28:18
Yeah, one that I wanted to ask and this is actually the slide I wanted up so. 01:28:22
Really glad about that. 01:28:27
For all of the things I've learned in the last nine months, zoning is. 01:28:29
Not a strong. 01:28:33
So what I'm curious about is because this is the. 01:28:36
On the left is current and on the right is. 01:28:40
Proposed right? 01:28:44
Well. 01:28:46
So OK, so so. 01:28:49
To to explain. 01:28:50
On the right. 01:28:52
The right is land use so it's not really zoning. 01:28:53
You're trying really hard to get me to understand that and I clearly failed. 01:28:59
Yeah. Well, well, what it's saying is in this area. 01:29:02
These are general categories that when we. 01:29:06
Do zoning. The zoning would align with those categories. They're left general not. 01:29:09
To give the City Council the flexibility to pinpoint exactly what you want through the zone. So the question that I that I was 01:29:14
headed to is. 01:29:18
On the right with the land use, you've got labels that. 01:29:22
I, as a human can understand. 01:29:26
But on the left with the zoning codes, those are codes that I. 01:29:28
Need a translator for Yeah. So then can you? The zoning is in place right now. Absolutely understand. 01:29:32
What those colors in the zoning mean and how they may or may not currently correlate to the land use. 01:29:38
Yeah. I mean, like right now the land use actually is very close to what the zoning is the the major change. 01:29:44
Would be adding some allowance for for residential. 01:29:52
But just to explain, on the left, you have kind of that green color that's FOI, that's flexed office industry. 01:29:56
And so that's where you're going to get things that like light manufacturing and you'll get. 01:30:02
Potentially some some biotech type businesses. 01:30:07
And so it allows for things where you're like making and creating. 01:30:13
Industrial uses manufacturing uses that are not that don't have externalities. 01:30:16
Manufacturing the M is more of a heavy industrial. You may get a little bit more of what we call externalities where you could 01:30:21
potentially have a vibration or you could have. 01:30:26
You know, like. 01:30:30
You know it it it and that and that was actually kind of what the whole area was, was zoned at one point was more of a like it 01:30:32
allowed for just a really large swath of industrial uses. 01:30:36
The RC is regional commercial and so that would be like your traditional commercial type uses. 01:30:41
And then your PF is public facility. 01:30:46
And that's UV. 01:30:49
Right. So so so. 01:30:51
Loosely. 01:30:54
Because land use is not law. 01:30:55
I'm getting it. 01:30:59
The uh. 01:31:02
The correlation between the RC and the mixed commercial is. 01:31:03
Relatively similar. 01:31:08