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All righty. 00:14:54
Where did Jacob Wood run off to? 00:14:56
Restroom Cat. 00:14:59
OK, sounds good. 00:15:02
Should go ahead and get started. Let's do that. It's 6:00. 00:15:05
OK, awesome. 00:15:09
Good evening everybody. Welcome out to Vineyard City Council this evening it is 6:00 February 24th, 2026 I'm. 00:15:11
Mayor Zach Stratton, I'd like to open up the. 00:15:19
The meeting We've got Beckham de la Cruz here this evening. 00:15:22
He is one of our great young men that lives in our in our community and he is going to be give us our opening prayer and Pledge of 00:15:26
Allegiance. So Beckham, come on up buddy, right there in the microphone and then. 00:15:31
Prayer 1st and then Pledge of Allegiance. 00:15:36
Dear honey, Father, think of her, say. 00:15:40
Thank you for. 00:15:42
This community vineyard. 00:15:44
And. 00:15:46
Please bless that those who couldn't make it. 00:15:47
Are safe and. 00:15:52
Thank you for. 00:15:55
This world that you've given us. 00:15:57
And please bless that the ones who are sick. 00:15:59
Or her will. 00:16:02
Be safe. 00:16:03
And we say they sing as a name, just Christ. Amen. 00:16:05
Amen. Thank you so much, buddy. 00:16:07
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. 00:16:16
And to the Republic for which it stands. 00:16:21
One nation under God. 00:16:23
Indivisible with liberty and justice for all. 00:16:26
Awesome. All right, Beckham. 00:16:30
You come grab a pen from Tony over here. Thank you so much. 00:16:32
All righty. A couple things we're going to do starting off is my administration is starting to take shape and we have, I'm going 00:16:36
to introduce a new interim finance director. 00:16:40
As well as the administrative director to the Office of the Mayor as well. I think that it would be good for the community to get 00:16:44
to know these guys. They're going to be hopefully an integral part as we move forward. 00:16:49
So I'm going to start out with I've got it there. 00:16:55
Some stuff here for them to start with Evan so Evan Smith. 00:16:58
He is over here, Evan. 00:17:02
Right there. 00:17:03
Behind Chris Johnson's name plaque, that little bit of a totally works. 00:17:04
A little bit about Evan He. 00:17:11
Evan brings more than 20 years of financial leadership across global corporations, nonprofit organizations, and fast. 00:17:12
Growing Private Companies has an MBA with an emphasis of accounting from Utah State University. 00:17:18
I am a Cougar fan but. 00:17:25
We can. We'll let you slide on that one. 00:17:27
And you know, bachelor degree from accounting from the University of Utah. 00:17:29
Oh, just kidding. We're giving you hard time, buddy. 00:17:34
Side Trudeau. 00:17:38
You're awesome. 00:17:42
Throughout his career, Evans LED budgeting, forecasting, audits, treasury management, financial reporting from organizations 00:17:43
running from startups a Fortune 500 companies. 00:17:47
Successfully strengthened internal controls, improved reporting tidelines, timelines, implemented ERP systems and worked closely 00:17:50
with executive teams and boards. 00:17:54
To ensure financial clarity and accountability, his experience, integrity, and study leadership will be. 00:17:58
Will help ensure strong financial stewardship and transparency Vineyard during this transitional period. 00:18:03
So welcome, help us. 00:18:09
Please join us and welcome Evan. 00:18:11
To the city of Vineyard, thank you, Evan. 00:18:13
We are super excited to have you. So kind of just so council can know in the public as well, this is an appointed position. So 00:18:17
right now he's serving as the interim finance director and. 00:18:21
Hopefully through our. 00:18:26
The next 30 days, we like each other. 00:18:28
But we are so excited to have you. We we had a committee that we had to. 00:18:31
Ton of applicants. 00:18:34
Went through a bunch of them and real. 00:18:36
The committee felt really. 00:18:39
About Evan. 00:18:42
The next person we're going to talk about here is David Kyle. 00:18:43
He is the administrative director in the office of the mayor. With the change in the the form of government and the mayor's 00:18:46
responsibilities now being more administrative and less legislative, where I really don't have a vote on anything. 00:18:51
Coupled with this is a part-time role. 00:18:57
Most days it's not, but it's. 00:19:00
Technically supposed to be part time. 00:19:02
We, I've I've asked David, David Kyle to join us so. 00:19:05
I'll kind of read about David Kyle here. 00:19:09
David Kyle Herring joins the Vineyard City with more 25 with more than 25 years of experience in public affairs, communication, 00:19:12
project management. 00:19:15
Organizational and organizational leadership Throughout David's career, he's helped. 00:19:20
Worked with cities, nonprofits and elected officials helping. 00:19:23
Organizations communicate clearly, execute complex projects, and serve. 00:19:27
Their communities. 00:19:31
Most recently, David has worked as a government relations. 00:19:32
And in public communications, helping lead successful legislative efforts manage public. 00:19:35
Entities and initiatives and support executive leadership with strategic planning data operations. 00:19:39
He served on the as a campaign consultant with US Congressman Mike Kennedy. 00:19:45
Who? 00:19:50
Was a very strong recommendation. 00:19:51
As vice president of. 00:19:54
Public and Government relations and integrated water management and is the director of nonprofit Drug Safe Utah. 00:19:55
David's role with the Vineyard is focused on supporting the Mayors office, strengthening internal coordination, improving 00:20:02
communication with residents, and helping teams succeed in delivering great service to the community. 00:20:06
He believed strongly in collaboration, transparency, accountability. 00:20:11
Fall through and committed to help. 00:20:14
To being a helpful and responsive resource to staff across all departments. 00:20:17
Outside of work, David enjoys Ben Thomas's family, lifting weights, skiing, horseback riding. 00:20:22
And values staying active and outdoors whenever possible. Most importantly, he's deeply committed to his faith. 00:20:27
Family and his love of country. 00:20:31
He and his family live in Utah County and he's grateful to. 00:20:33
I'm grateful for the opportunity to serve vendor community and work alongside such a dedicated team. 00:20:37
So let's also welcome David Kyle Herring. 00:20:41
Awesome. 00:20:46
So sure appreciate these two gentlemen. If any of you in the in the in the audience want to meet them, shake their hand, get to 00:20:48
know them. They're great guys. Super. 00:20:51
Super responsive and I'm I'm really excited. It's kind of this new administration takes shape. 00:20:56
Welcome with the team. 00:21:00
So. 00:21:02
Are righty from there. 00:21:03
Let's go through here. 00:21:06
We are going to jump into the work session. 00:21:08
Let's do this. Should we do public comments first? 00:21:11
Let's do that. Let's do public comments first. 00:21:14
We have the sign up sheet over here. 00:21:18
Can we snag that real quick? Tell him we'll jump into public comments. 00:21:21
And then we'll go into the work session. 00:21:25
Thank you, Sir. 00:21:28
All righty. 00:21:35
First on we've got Clint Black. 00:21:37
Come on down, Clint. 00:21:40
I'll wait, I'll wait. 00:21:43
OK. Do you want to go last or? 00:21:46
We're doing public comments right now. 00:21:48
Okay, you okay? Okay, awesome. All right. 00:21:50
Cornelius is Kim, Karen. 00:21:54
I just have that. 00:21:56
Come on down. 00:21:57
Is OK. Kim is pointing at Karen. 00:21:58
First of all. 00:22:09
Karen Cornelius Villas. 00:22:10
Thanks guys. 00:22:12
I don't think this has been an easy undertaking. 00:22:14
And, umm. 00:22:16
I pray for you, I honestly do. 00:22:17
A few weeks ago. 00:22:21
On the agenda, we talked about coming up with the community evacuation plan. 00:22:22
And I know that you're swamped. 00:22:28
But if we can. 00:22:30
Somehow. 00:22:31
Move forward with that in some way and involve as many citizens as possible. 00:22:33
I think it's probably pretty well no. I believe it's very important. 00:22:38
As we grow and as our traffic grows. 00:22:42
I think it's essential that we figure out. 00:22:45
How we can move the masses should we ever need to. 00:22:47
So that's all. Thanks. OK. 00:22:50
Thank you so much. 00:22:52
Awesome, Karen. 00:22:53
Already I've got Eric Magleby. 00:22:54
On here as well, Eric. 00:22:57
OK, I'm here, but I wasn't. 00:23:01
Oh. 00:23:04
Just here. OK, No worries. 00:23:05
No worries, no worries. 00:23:08
Did anyone else want to have public comments? 00:23:12
Of course, I'm pretty sure OK. 00:23:15
Awesome. 00:23:18
We will jump now to the Let's jump into the work session. Did we get any online? 00:23:20
Yes, I don't get any online comments as well. 00:23:27
Yep. So we got those. How do we, what do we decide on handling those, Tony? How do we want to handle those? 00:23:29
So there there was quite a few. 00:23:34
Normally if there's one or two, I have no problem reading them into the into the record. 00:23:36
But I recognize you guys probably wouldn't want me to just keep. 00:23:41
Hogging the mic and reading all night. And so instead what we did was we went ahead and printed them out. 00:23:43
At least everything that I got before 5:00. 00:23:50
To provide for you guys and then I'm going to just package them all together and attach them to the agenda packet so that. 00:23:53
The public can read them at their leisure. 00:24:00
OK, awesome. 00:24:02
Thank you, Sir. 00:24:03
OK, they're all kind of. 00:24:05
Similar and. 00:24:07
Yeah, there we have. There's a couple topics. There's some. 00:24:09
Towing, we've got some. Towing, we've got some. 00:24:14
Actually, I think they're. 00:24:17
Majority on. 00:24:18
The towing. 00:24:20
Let's see. Yeah, that's kind of the. 00:24:22
The topic SO. 00:24:25
OK, all righty. Let's jump now to the work session discussion of. 00:24:27
OK. 00:24:35
I've been here for two years and I've never seen. I know. 00:24:38
One individual did online. 00:24:41
Submitting of answers. 00:24:43
It's kind of new to me, I. 00:24:45
I I think in the future, citizens need to have that expectation. Are we going to? 00:24:46
Read those if they do because I thought the expectation is is that they come to the meeting just like we come to the meeting in 00:24:51
the future. 00:24:55
Just so the expectation. 00:24:58
Yeah. I think that that's a great point. I think that. 00:25:01
I'm fine receiving. 00:25:04
I want and welcome any public. 00:25:05
Input. 00:25:07
Any way form we can get it? 00:25:08
I think that that's good for the for the elected officials to get. 00:25:10
But I. 00:25:13
Obviously I'd prefer. 00:25:14
Here, but I understand that there's limitations, time, space and distance and so forth. So. 00:25:16
That's kind of what I that's where I'm at so. 00:25:23
OK. Yeah, I think. 00:25:25
I was gonna say, I think that how we're handling it now, the same way like included in the meeting, you know? 00:25:27
Give it to us to read. 00:25:33
Which is fantastic. 00:25:36
And if it's like, hey, I want it read like have them come to that way that would. I just want to set expectations so it's like 00:25:38
they were not listening. 00:25:41
But if but if it's like, hey, we just submitted online, do you know how many Facebook comments we would get? 00:25:45
And read them off and be there all night, you know? Yeah, for sure. 00:25:51
OK. Appreciate that. 00:25:55
All righty, let's move into the work session now. Discussion. Can you e-mail those to me as well? 00:25:56
Sorry, I know you've got those printed copies. 00:26:01
I'd love to be able to just kind of see the. 00:26:03
The nature of them as well. 00:26:05
Tony says he will. 00:26:08
Thank you. 00:26:09
Awesome. 00:26:10
Are you guys able to Harris pretty well, Ezra and Jake? 00:26:11
Yeah, when you're talking to the microphones, they can. OK, it's a little delayed, so sorry if it seems like I'm interrupting you 00:26:17
all the time. 00:26:19
No, you're fine. Just a little bit delayed, but I can hear you. 00:26:23
OK, great. 00:26:26
All righty, let's. 00:26:27
Moving to the work session discussion on 400 S development. So I'm going to turn over the. 00:26:29
This to Councilmember Larae. 00:26:33
And Jake Hold. 00:26:35
We're going to start with the Councilman, Larry, to kind of kick this off and and talk about. 00:26:37
Of that that war this. 00:26:42
This item. Thank you. Yeah. 00:26:45
The issue here is that we've got sort of a. 00:26:47
A stoppage in our process because of all the interruption with the personnel changes and so forth. 00:26:50
We've not been able to proceed with moving forward on a. 00:26:56
On with the 400, well it's the hold away fields development. 00:27:00
And I think. 00:27:05
We've got. 00:27:06
Mr. Bybee is here, I think. 00:27:07
Did you want to say a few things about it and describe it? 00:27:09
Please. 00:27:12
Please do. 00:27:13
Looking sharp tonight. By the way, brother, I dressed up just for you guys. 00:27:16
So Ryan, baby, hold away. Fill the development with Cadence Homes. 00:27:22
Let's see so we have a red lined. 00:27:27
Amended development agreement in the hands of staff. 00:27:30
And it has been before a Planning Commission. 00:27:33
Work session. 00:27:35
What we have asked for is 2 things. Well, there's a couple of things, but there's kind of two. 00:27:37
Two different things to discuss here is. First is. 00:27:42
We would like to amend the development agreement that gives us some flexibility to be able to manage the phases on our own. 00:27:45
Without having to seek city and staff approval every time we want to change a minor thing. 00:27:50
We realized that the thing that matters most of the city and to staff has been. 00:27:55
Getting the north-south connection of roads made and the four S connection made. 00:27:59
And then secondly to get parks delivered. 00:28:04
According to certificate of occupancies in our amendment to this to the development agreement, we. 00:28:06
We are proposing to swap parks. 00:28:12
But not change when they're delivered. 00:28:14
We just think it makes sense to have the East park come in first. That's where the houses are being built around as opposed to the 00:28:16
park out by the lake. 00:28:20
Where there are no houses. 00:28:23
And so, but they still are. They're both similar in size. They both are amenitized. 00:28:25
And they would get delivered to the city at the same time. 00:28:29
As was originally agreed on in the agreement, the only differences were just swapping the order. 00:28:32
OK, so that's. 00:28:36
So that's kind of what we're asking is flexibility on zoning. 00:28:38
And swapping the parks. 00:28:41
The second issue is 4 S in the In the original negotiation of the project, there was right of ways determined. 00:28:43
At the time we had pushed back on the sides of the right of ways. We did a traffic study that said hey. 00:28:50
Does 4 S really need to be as wide as you guys, staff or the city is wanting it to be? 00:28:55
Our our traffic kind of impact studies said no, they don't need to be. But at the end of the day, it's it's. 00:29:01
You guys have to decide what you want them to be, so the right of way is as you've seen them in the plans. There has been some 00:29:07
community feedback. 00:29:10
From residents in the area saying hey, do we want 4 S to be? 00:29:14
As wide as the right of way, as it's identified in the current development agreement and in the current development plan, and 00:29:18
that's where we stand today. 00:29:22
Is. 00:29:26
Is we need to know if it's going to stay as it is, or if there's discussion open to being able to narrow it down? 00:29:27
And not have 4 S become. 00:29:33
In a major thoroughfare on the. 00:29:37
On the South side of town. 00:29:39
And so. 00:29:41
We have a plat that's ready to record, that gets us. 00:29:42
The next phase of lots, we're desperate to start building houses we have. 00:29:45
Four of those lots. 00:29:49
Sold with homes waiting to be built on them. But we can't start those homes until we record the plat and make. 00:29:51
Make parcel numbers for those lots. 00:29:56
If we record the plot as it is now, then the right of way goes wide. 00:29:58
And my proposal has been let's pull 4 S off of this plat. 00:30:02
Allow everybody to kind of have their input and discussion. 00:30:06
And then allow us to move forward without 4 S there. 00:30:09
And then when you guys decide or we all decide what we're going to do on 4 S then. 00:30:13
We dedicated the city and we build it and we go. 00:30:18
So that's kind of my proposal. 00:30:21
The hiccup in that proposal is the development agreement has the dedication of 4 S tied to. 00:30:23
Phase two, which is what we're. 00:30:29
Talking about right now. So we would have to break it out of Phase 2. 00:30:31
But again, we're happy to. 00:30:35
Give the city any kind of security. In fact, it's written in the development agreement that if we haven't dedicated it by a 00:30:38
certain amount of time, we have to dedicate it anyways. So we're happy to put even a deed in escrow to say hey. 00:30:43
You're not going to lose the right of way. We just don't know what you want us to build or what you want us to give you. 00:30:48
So those are the main issues. 00:30:54
Development agreement amendment which we would really like to get moving forward and what do we do with the plat that's currently 00:30:55
there and how do we, how do we? 00:30:59
Not hold us up while you guys decide, while we all decide what we're going to do at 4 S. 00:31:02
Awesome. Thank you. That's really cool. 00:31:07
We have staff that want to speak to that as well. 00:31:09
Naseem, can you? Does that fit with what your understanding of things? 00:31:12
Excuse me so. 00:31:17
I wasn't really, I wasn't really prepared to talk specifically about the development agreement. Development agreement I believe 00:31:18
was given to the state attorney to review. 00:31:22
To provide comments back in regards to some of the points, I know that. 00:31:26
With a traffic study for the development, the traffic impact study that is done for developments is development specific. 00:31:30
Not doesn't include the surrounding developments like the tie insurance surrounding developments. 00:31:38
The developer is correct. 00:31:43
In order for the impact that they do on their particular development, this requires a. 00:31:44
Residential type roads for their connection. 00:31:49
Our transportation master plan does have that as designated as a. 00:31:53
See it does have that designated as a wider Rd. for arterial. 00:31:58
Arterial collector type rows. 00:32:02
To move for traffic, I think it kind of compliments what was the comment that was. 00:32:04
Said earlier by a resident. 00:32:09
Miss Karen Cornelius about the evacuation. 00:32:11
Map neighborhood evacuation map to ensure that. 00:32:14
Roads provide for a safe. 00:32:17
And accessible thoroughfare. 00:32:20
Outward for for residents and. 00:32:22
Providing for providing for those right of ways is important. 00:32:24
And then of course, I know that in the development agreement there is a betterment portion of that. 00:32:28
Which is very common for municipalities, local governments, cities, whatever. 00:32:32
To enter in here with developers to say. 00:32:36
Yes, you're at the impact for this particular development is. 00:32:38
However, the city or the municipality requires. 00:32:41
X + 4 plus. 00:32:45
And then the municipality, those go into an agreement with the developer. 00:32:47
For that and. 00:32:52
That those types of agreements. 00:32:54
Are unique to each development agreement. I know that for a fact that the. 00:32:55
When we had a discussion with the developer. 00:32:59
For this develop. 00:33:02
At the very beginning part of this development agreement that we did have discussions in terms of that development agreement and 00:33:04
the betterments for. 00:33:08
For that railway. 00:33:12
Specifically. 00:33:14
So I have not. 00:33:15
Been given, we have, excuse me, we have not been given any alternative. 00:33:17
Justifications from the developer. 00:33:22
So as part of the development, the development agreement. 00:33:24
Submit all that this developer has provided. 00:33:27
That the developer chooses to provide that to staff staff. 00:33:29
We'll review that and. 00:33:33
Presented forward. 00:33:35
Would you have any objection to separating the 4th? So that would be a development agreement portion of it that would be done 00:33:37
through City Council, right? 00:33:41
But from the sit from. 00:33:47
Technically, there's not really an issue with that, is there? 00:33:48
Through all, it comes down to the accessibility of the lots. So the building official will actually. 00:33:50
Be able to provide. 00:33:56
The determination along with the fire department in terms of being able to provide emergency services and access to those houses 00:33:58
are. 00:34:01
Plan being built. 00:34:04
That that falls underneath their jurisdiction for the termination. 00:34:06
So in terms of the roadway wise, I know that the construction is moving forward with infrastructure. 00:34:09
Being placed into the ground. 00:34:16
And the city does have. 00:34:18
Excuse me does have a completed design. 00:34:20
For that portion of it with funds. 00:34:22
Set aside to move forward. 00:34:25
On that. So I mean in terms of timing, I think this city in itself has. 00:34:28
Pretty much all the ducks are. 00:34:34
Most of the information or most of it, what it needs to move forward on that. 00:34:36
It's really up to council to determine. 00:34:40
What they choose to do and how they choose to handle it. 00:34:42
But I said I cannot give it. I cannot say, yes, I'm comfortable with it and no, I'm not comfortable with it. 00:34:45
Because at the end of the day is City Council who determines. 00:34:50
How the timing? 00:34:53
They want to make it work. I can't say that. 00:34:54
The connection for that road is. 00:34:58
Been imperative priority for the city. 00:35:00
To make the. 00:35:03
To provide the. 00:35:04
Egress and ingress in and out of the city. 00:35:06
Along those to help lay. 00:35:10
Relief traffic off Center St. 00:35:12
And Mill Rd. specifically. 00:35:14
As well as 800 N. 00:35:16
I know I live on hold. 00:35:19
And we've been promised for the last 10 years. 00:35:21
That as soon as. 00:35:23
You know that our Rd. is a little narrow. 00:35:24
Country Rd. was designed to be that. 00:35:27
And then that's been handling all the traffic. 00:35:29
That will be handled by this road. 00:35:32
And so we're hoping that. 00:35:35
Could be taken care of and go back to being a neighborhood Rd. 00:35:36
I mean, so that's something we have promised and hope that can happen. 00:35:40
Is there anyone from that can represent planning tonight? I don't see anyone here from planning department. 00:35:42
They were not available tonight. 00:35:47
Guys before I. 00:35:50
Board my plane and I apologize, I'm not going to be here. I just want to. 00:35:51
Be able to make a comment if that's OK. 00:35:55
Go. Can you guys hear me? Yes, go ahead. 00:35:58
I have no objection. 00:36:03
To separating it. 00:36:05
I have. I cannot tell you how many complaints. 00:36:08
From the Ashley Acres and Sleepy Ridge community. 00:36:11
About going to the and I understand that. 00:36:15
Previous administration when the Cadence home development was approved. 00:36:18
They changed the master plan and widened out and made a very wide. 00:36:23
We're not changing any traffic pattern. 00:36:29
The consistency of two roads, but we are making it safe. Since that time we've had a. 00:36:32
We've had two near deaths. 00:36:38
And the community not changing the capacity of the road. 00:36:40
What we're asking for is to take some time, separate it, allow cadence. 00:36:44
To move forward with their plots. 00:36:48
I am a little bit disappointed about how hard it's been to hold a meeting with. 00:36:51
Planning to get on the same page. 00:36:55
But I think we can't hold up, Mr. Kaden, the Cadence home development because of that. 00:36:59
And give us some time to. 00:37:05
Make sure that we have a safe community. 00:37:08
But at all same time, we're not going to be restricting. 00:37:11
The capacity of the road. 00:37:14
And I support that so. 00:37:16
Just wanted to make sure that was clear. 00:37:18
Thank you. 00:37:20
So as I understand it, the issue is on the agenda for the next Planning Commission meeting, is that correct? 00:37:21
Do we know? 00:37:26
It is OK. 00:37:27
And this is a working session tonight, so we can't take any action other than just sort of give a sense of. 00:37:29
How we feel about it, and it sounds like this, is that everyone seems to be agreed this is a good idea. 00:37:34
To separate out. 00:37:39
The delivery of the road. 00:37:40
Go ahead. 00:37:42
Go ahead, Nura, my thoughts. 00:37:43
I don't believe in Rd. diets generally I. 00:37:46
I know that. 00:37:50
Sometimes in planning it's. 00:37:51
We can do these traffic calming things, but in our city where we are growing. 00:37:53
So fast. I think it's really important that we. 00:37:56
Have. 00:37:59
The roads and sidewalks that we need that that plan for that future growth and. 00:38:00
Also hold the developer to their original commitments. 00:38:04
I know this has been through through a few. 00:38:08
Public meetings and talking about. 00:38:10
The needs of having. 00:38:13
This thoroughfare and matching the intersection on both sides. 00:38:15
I think having. 00:38:19
The sidewalks there are important as we. 00:38:20
Have you know different options for people to come along the road? One of the biggest? 00:38:24
Issues I feel like we have currently on hold away road for example is. 00:38:28
We don't have complete sidewalks and curb and gutter and those standard issues that kind of prevent. 00:38:33
Cars from. 00:38:38
Just veering off the road and. 00:38:39
Going right into the same level as the pedestrians are parked. 00:38:40
That's a legacy road and it was planned to be that way. 00:38:44
Prevent. 00:38:47
Yeah, I think if we, if we. 00:38:49
Just move in a direction where we. 00:38:50
We kind of shortchanged our developer obligations on the front end and. 00:38:52
And gave a. 00:38:56
Give them basically more time to. 00:38:58
To reduce those. 00:39:01
I think that one's an issue for me. So that's just kind of where I stand on that one. The parks, I'm OK with swapping the. 00:39:03
The phasing on the parts to make more sense, but. 00:39:10
400 SI think that's that's a very important thoroughfare for. 00:39:14
A lot of people and. 00:39:17
When we have the, we've had multiple areas on that road where we have. 00:39:18
A different plan on the South side. 00:39:22
The Northside. 00:39:24
I think it's better to just have a continuous right away. 00:39:25
Through that area so. 00:39:29
Lanes aren't merging down and getting smaller and widening. 00:39:31
So anyway, that's that's why. 00:39:35
Voice my opposition to that. I hate to just maintain that, continued Ezra. Did you look at the proposed plan from the last work 00:39:38
session on this, that? 00:39:41
Councilmember Larae shared. 00:39:45
Yeah, I looked at that and compared it with the the designs that we've already done as well. 00:39:49
So it looks like and. 00:39:55
Forgive me if I'm wrong here. 00:39:56
Where it shrinks down, it basically takes away the sidewalk and the curb. 00:39:58
And still has two traveling lanes. 00:40:03
And that direction, but I think if we. 00:40:06
Maintain the pavement at the current width. That just gives us the flexibility to do. 00:40:09
Whatever it is we need to do. 00:40:13
And. 00:40:14
The plan does do that. 00:40:16
In and Vineyard as well, where we. 00:40:17
Went with two lanes in each direction on the bridge that goes over Center St. 00:40:21
At the time, I had voiced my opposition to that. 00:40:25
But. 00:40:29
To save some money, save some costs. 00:40:30
We've narrowed it down and now we have this area where. 00:40:32
You have a short area where you kind of narrow the road down. 00:40:36
In this case, in the center St. case, it only goes to one lane on either side. 00:40:39
And then it expands back up. 00:40:43
I really wish at the time of planning we had just. 00:40:45
Put the full lift in the here. 00:40:48
So I don't want to. 00:40:50
Have this be another decision where we regret. 00:40:51
Not just, I think right of way that we originally planned on. I think there's a miscommunication here. Councilmember Larae, can 00:40:53
you clarify? 00:40:57
I believe in the last work session the plan that was presented keeps the road. 00:41:01
The full width, the entire length of 400 S and it would have the sidewalks and the curbing and all of that. Is that correct or? 00:41:06
Yeah, the black top portion of it stays exactly the same. It is proposed that we. 00:41:11
You make the trail on the north side from the six foot trail to a 10 foot trail. 00:41:16
And maybe not continue the sidewalk down past the roundabout, the sleepy Ridge, so that we focus all the. 00:41:21
Pedestrian and bicycle traffic. 00:41:27
Up there. 00:41:29
And it sort of separates it out a little bit and that was the proposal. 00:41:30
And that would allow for a little slightly narrower right away. 00:41:34
Overall, but the same Rd. surface. 00:41:37
Yeah, and I would also like the intersection math on both sides. 00:41:43
I would. I would also like to voice that. 00:41:48
I mean I would have some problems of how the way. 00:41:51
Mr. Mayor is describing it as if we were getting rid of the sidewalk on the side. Let's see. 00:41:54
What is proposed and I think this really is the person that. 00:42:00
Literally we can't even have a meeting. 00:42:02
You know. 00:42:08
There's been a lot of just. 00:42:11
Endorsement. It's just unfortunate and we're holding up Aiden so. 00:42:13
Yeah, we're not getting rid of sidewalks on both sides or the redesigned to make it. 00:42:17
Safe, not restrict traffic. 00:42:21
And we'd love to for that time to be able to propose that, but I don't want to look, Mr. Cadence and I got to get on the phone 00:42:24
right now, but I was farming quite on that. 00:42:28
I don't, I don't think what Mr. Nair is. 00:42:32
Describing is what we're presenting and. 00:42:34
But I apologize. 00:42:36
We haven't been able to present it either and that's frustrating so. 00:42:38
Look, and I say that can we do this? Can we, can we ask the Planning Commission to expedite this? 00:42:42
As fast as possible. 00:42:48
That their next meeting they'll devote to. 00:42:49
Time to this and make sure it's really discussed. 00:42:51
And in the meantime, we can have planning, get together with the engineering and so forth and review the plans that we have. 00:42:54
And. 00:42:59
Come up with something really quickly and I. 00:43:01
We have a work session next week. Can we have planning? Be prepared to present next week. 00:43:04
This is a public works and I'll speak on behalf of planning so the. 00:43:09
The the the design that was presented the last work session. 00:43:15
Is that an official design that was done by a professional engineer? Because. 00:43:20
We would need something that's done. 00:43:24
By a professional engineer I mean that looks more like a concept design without measurements and. 00:43:27
Items that we were hoping that. 00:43:32
Cadence Holmes was clearly there are issues with this that are going to take longer than a week to resolve. Sounds like so can can 00:43:33
we agree that it would be good to remove the well? 00:43:38
That section from from the plant plan right now and then delay. 00:43:42
It's and make that. 00:43:46
Phase 2A or something? 00:43:47
To be or something. 00:43:49
Where we actually that gets delivered before. 00:43:50
Phase three starts and so forth. 00:43:53
Run. We're going to say something. Can I just make 2 comments because I want to make sure Mr. Nair understands and the public that 00:43:54
might be listening is that we are not trying to get him away from any of our development obligations whether. 00:43:59
What the city decides to do on 4 S does not impact us financially one way or the other. 00:44:04
Because the city pays for the wider Rd. 00:44:11
Or they payless for the narrower Rd. It's nothing off us. We're not. We're not gaining in this at all. 00:44:13
And I would just make an observation as well that. 00:44:19
As far South as we built it, going north to South and it makes a connection to. 00:44:22
To Main Street. 00:44:27
We go from a narrower, wider right of way on Main Street to a wider right away. 00:44:28
To the roundabout and then to the church and then when we make our connection, back. 00:44:32
To 4 S. 00:44:36
It goes back to a narrower section, which was my argument in the beginning of this whole discussion back when we were developed. 00:44:38
Negotiating the development agreement is why are we? 00:44:42
Planning for just this holdaway filled section of Four South. 00:44:46
To be larger on. 00:44:50
The north flag. 00:44:51
And the east leg? 00:44:53
When they connect to roads that don't match that right of way and you're not going to go in and take people's houses. 00:44:54
Or condemn back yards to make those worldwide. I don't see you're going to do that. 00:44:59
And so the question has always been it never made sense to me. 00:45:03
We agreed to it. 00:45:06
And I'm happy to build it that way. 00:45:07
We just don't want to be in the middle of. 00:45:09
We're happy to be in the middle, I could tell you that. 00:45:11
Our engineer, if there's an idea of what. 00:45:14
Of what council members of the community wants for South. 00:45:16
I could have it drawn and designed to you by Friday. 00:45:20
It's not complicated, it's line drawings. 00:45:22
It can be, it doesn't have to be fully. 00:45:25
Profiled, engineered, but it's simple to be able to show what the right away would look like. We do have a proposal this we've 00:45:27
been circulating. 00:45:31
Can I meet with you? And sure, that was a good time to meet you tomorrow. 00:45:35
It's Wednesday. I'm. 00:45:39
Generally free, so OK. 00:45:40
David, can I see those designs too? Because maybe that's where I. 00:45:43
I know Jake mentioned I might have the wrong idea of what what is actually being proposed there. Maybe that's where my knowledge 00:45:47
gap is too is where I just haven't seen two side by side proposals. 00:45:52
The only one that I've seen. 00:45:56
Took out quite a bit of the the infrastructure that's going to. 00:45:59
Make this positive impact on the community and I would tell you from a development standpoint. 00:46:02
We would be against taking out. 00:46:08
Paths and sidewalks that make the city. 00:46:10
Connected. That's not what I've not seen what's been floating around. 00:46:12
But, but I know for certain that we want connectivity with trails and such and I think it can be accomplished with a small right 00:46:17
of way. But but. 00:46:20
It could also be accomplished the bigger one. We just got to decide. 00:46:24
So I will, I will share those with you, Ezra. I'll make sure you get them. 00:46:27
And we won't move ahead unless you've seen them and think it's good. 00:46:31
Hey, if we're not familiar. 00:46:34
Parkinson's Law dictates that work. 00:46:37
Will expands to fill the amount of time that you allow it to take. So we need to put some caps on our actions to actually move 00:46:40
this forward. I would still like to meet with the Planning Commission or the planning Department, sorry. 00:46:45
At our work session next week with what their current plan is. 00:46:52
Bring the proposal, and if you're available, I'd like you and your engineer to come see what can actually be done drawn up, 00:46:55
because we shouldn't be dragging this out longer than we need to drag this out. 00:46:59
Yeah, OK. I agree. 00:47:05
Thank you. 00:47:07
OK. So I think that's. 00:47:08
Concludes our work session. 00:47:10
OK. All right. 00:47:11
One more thing, please come up. Yes. 00:47:14
Is it OK if we submit a plat? 00:47:18
That has four S excluded that could be voted on or. How do I navigate that? 00:47:21
Because at this point there's nothing I can do that without a development agreement change. 00:47:27
So that's kind of where the. 00:47:31
I think the issue lies is. 00:47:33
We have an existing development agreement that dictates that the 4th South included. 00:47:34
You could submit a plat that has that today and and receive that approval. 00:47:39
But for us to change the development agreement, we'll have to go through. 00:47:45
A longer process I believe. 00:47:49
So and I and I can, I can appreciate that. 00:47:50
My challenge is is that this. 00:47:54
Amended Development agreement was been in the hands of Jamie Jamie Blakeslee since October of last year, has red lines and still 00:47:56
has not seen a Planning Commission. 00:48:01
Or a City Council actionable day. 00:48:06
And that's way too long for this to take place. 00:48:09
We can amend. 00:48:11
That section of the development agreement, I can do a red line adjustment and have it to the city tomorrow morning. 00:48:12
I just. 00:48:18
The iterative time it takes to review these. 00:48:19
Is not fair to us when all we're trying to do. 00:48:22
Is build your community. 00:48:25
I think we agree with that. 00:48:27
And I think that it's unfortunate that continent and a change of personnel. 00:48:28
And that sort of fell off. 00:48:32
Fell into a hole, sorry about that. 00:48:34
I really am. But I will. I will do everything I can to make sure it's absolutely. 00:48:36
Expedited as best we can. 00:48:39
And, umm. 00:48:41
And on that I definitely. 00:48:42
Feel your frustrations on amendments to development agreements. 00:48:44
I do want to recognize though the. 00:48:48
The Development agreement is a granting of explicit rights and. 00:48:50
Inability for the Council to make further changes and so I do think. 00:48:55
You know when we approach this initially. 00:48:59
Like the whole thing is kind of method. Honestly, it's. 00:49:02
Just the process of. 00:49:06
Property rights and land use and. 00:49:08
Planning and Utah can be. 00:49:10
Be challenging for sure. 00:49:13
When uh. 00:49:14
The goal is to get new developments up as fast as possible. I know your development even for additional delays on. 00:49:15
On, you know, not even being able to move forward is. 00:49:20
A referendum was going forward years ago and so there's a lot of. 00:49:24
A lot of nuances to this project for sure, but. 00:49:27
I mean. 00:49:30
I think the current plat as it stated it can go forward. 00:49:31
If you know that's your desire, you do have those rights within your. 00:49:35
Your development agreement to. 00:49:39
Produce those platters as we've already agreed to. 00:49:41
And so that's going to be the better option or the quicker option. 00:49:44
You know, that's definitely something I feel like we could look at. Yeah. And while I understand, while I understand how 00:49:49
development agreements work in Utah code works, Mr. Nair, there's also. 00:49:54
There also can be some open dialogue and discussion when things aren't working. 00:49:58
You asked us to peg, and I want this to be clear, You asked us to peg a phasing plan for a 250 lots subdivision before we even 00:50:04
built anything. 00:50:08
And we did our best to think of what that would be. 00:50:13
And we front loaded it to get the city what they wanted, which was north-south connection and the north and an east West 00:50:16
connection. 00:50:19
The cells of the subdivision, the cells of the houses in the subdivision do not match what the phasing is. We know that now. There 00:50:23
has to be flexibility built into this and that's all we're asking for. I'm not trying to change the development agreement or our 00:50:27
rights or. 00:50:31
Financially in our better and to better us, we're simply saying. 00:50:36
This should. 00:50:40
We could have built out half, we could have had a park dedicated by now, frankly, if we'd have been able to have this 00:50:41
conversation. But for the last year I met with. 00:50:45
Jamie and the staff over October of. 00:50:49
14 months ago saying hey. 00:50:53
The phasing plan is busted. 00:50:55
We need to have the flexibility. Can we do this? 00:50:57
And it's just like. 00:51:00
It's just like nobody wants to make a decision and no one can tell us what to do. 00:51:01
All I'm saying is. 00:51:05
I want to talk. 00:51:06
To somebody that's willing to raise their hand and say. 00:51:07
That makes sense or that doesn't make sense, and let's vote on it. 00:51:09
And then we'll do it. That's what I want. 00:51:13
And I'm happy to meet with. 00:51:15
Anybody at any moment, at anytime to have that conversation? 00:51:16
Thanks, Mr. Surviving. I appreciate that, David. I want to be in that. 00:51:22
I gotta take off but I want to be in that meeting and. 00:51:25
And then make sure it gets done in the next 5 days as well so I will be there. 00:51:29
Awesome. 00:51:34
Thanks and. 00:51:35
They're surviving. Just to respond to your comments, I. 00:51:36
I I appreciate. 00:51:38
The the frustrating that you have for. 00:51:40
For this whole process and working with the city, especially with. 00:51:42
With changing hands. 00:51:46
I mean had. 00:51:48
And I've been on the council when this project was initially. 00:51:49
Put together, I can tell you it would definitely look a lot different and. 00:51:52
And. 00:51:56
Potentially have some of those issues addressed on the front end itself. 00:51:57
I recognize that's a big change having a brand new council. 00:52:00
Right in the middle of this so. 00:52:03
So thank you for. 00:52:05
Your time and and. 00:52:07
All the challenging situations. 00:52:09
That you've dealt with in in this whole process, but. 00:52:11
I do appreciate the product it's being delivered the. 00:52:13
Fantastic. 00:52:16
And the neighborhood community look and feel it great and. 00:52:17
I am. I am absolutely in favor of more or. 00:52:20
More flexibility afforded on. 00:52:23
How the development is built out? I want to make that 100% clear. 00:52:26
On on the phasing and. 00:52:29
Removing any of those restrictions that I can make it easier for you guys to bring your product to the city. 00:52:31
OK, any other? 00:52:38
Comments on this before we move off of it. Do we have our marching orders? Do we get to? 00:52:40
The only thing we're doing? 00:52:44
The only Mr. Bobby is what if he can, if he can file the plat tomorrow or whatever he wants to move forward. 00:52:45
With it and we can't. Can we somehow remove the 400? 00:52:51
400 S part of that plan and then phase phase it so if. 00:52:56
A little bit differently, can we just have some flexibility with that? 00:52:59
My recommendation is we just seek. 00:53:02
Legal guidance on what we can and cannot do. 00:53:04
As it pertains to the code. 00:53:07
OK, if we're able to do that. 00:53:09
All right. Yeah, we'll look into it. So I'll report back to you on that what we find out. 00:53:13
OK. Thank you. 00:53:16
Each other's contact information you. 00:53:18
You got his number, OK. 00:53:20
Awesome, yeah. 00:53:21
OK. Thank you. 00:53:22
Ryan, anything else we get to? 00:53:23
OK, yes. 00:53:26
Yeah, yeah, if you please. Come on. 00:53:32
Would you like a? 00:53:34
I assume you want to comment. Come on up, David. 00:53:35
Yeah, please. 00:53:37
One of the things that concerns me. 00:53:43
And I want to preface this. 00:53:45
By saying state your name real quick. David Pierce, Cascade neighborhood. 00:53:48
Impact and influence. 00:53:55
And. 00:53:57
The confluence of those two. 00:53:59
Y'all have influence? 00:54:03
Direct influence on this project. 00:54:05
Most of you are not directly impacted. 00:54:10
On. 00:54:14
Any decision that's made on 4. 00:54:16
400 S. 00:54:20
But there is one council member who is. 00:54:23
And to me. 00:54:28
Having that. 00:54:29
Impact. 00:54:30
And that influence? 00:54:31
Doesn't set. 00:54:34
Quite right? 00:54:35
As far as conflict of interests are concerned. 00:54:36
So I have a real concern about that, and I believe it's a legitimate, honest concern. 00:54:40
No, thank you. 00:54:46
A chip, you want to say something as well coming up, Sir? 00:54:48
So name please? 00:54:54
Chip Price, Providence. 00:54:56
One of the things that. 00:54:58
We learned about this particular development after. 00:54:59
It had already gone through. 00:55:04
Was that there was another plan? 00:55:05
To build a freeway through that to a bunch of islands in the middle of a lake. 00:55:08
So. 00:55:13
The easements and all the things that you guys built into this, it kind of looks like. 00:55:14
They were trying to prepare for the future, for something that hadn't been approved. 00:55:18
But was in the workings. 00:55:23
This this is done after that project. 00:55:25
Was was stopped and failed correct? So this happened afterwards so. 00:55:28
Essentially. 00:55:33
I don't see the connection between the two. 00:55:35
The connection is that. 00:55:37
The easements and the size and the width of that road were kind of built so that they could. 00:55:39
Futurize this plan that was going to be this island chains. 00:55:45
Right. And so? 00:55:49
I feel bad for Cadence because they learned about it after they had signed the line. 00:55:51
You know and and. 00:55:55
I was, I was part of that group that was trying to get Cadence to not come here. And I'm very sorry about that, by the way. 00:55:57
There were so many things that we learned. 00:56:04
After this had gone through. 00:56:06
That no one in the public view. 00:56:08
Spear looked at. 00:56:11
And so I would urge that the Council try to. 00:56:12
Do the best thing. 00:56:16
And. 00:56:17
Help. 00:56:18
Not get screwed. 00:56:19
Because. 00:56:20
Previous council had made decisions. 00:56:21
That, uh. 00:56:24
Were deemed unconstitutional. 00:56:25
And that's why it didn't go through. 00:56:28
Anyway, that's what I say. 00:56:29
OK, awesome. Thanks, Chip. 00:56:31
And can I add to that as well? 00:56:32
We had a. 00:56:35
Really great regional transportation planning meeting that that. 00:56:37
Almost all the council and the mayor was at where? 00:56:41
We I don't know how many X's we drew on any potential. 00:56:44
Lake frosting is coming through Vineyard. 00:56:49
That is, that is definitely not something that we are supporting here and. 00:56:52
Something we don't foresee. So thank you for that, for that comment. Appreciate that. 00:56:56
Yes. 00:56:59
Please. 00:57:01
Tim Blackburn, Sleepy Ridge. 00:57:07
And we talked a little bit about the swapping of. 00:57:09
Lights this evening. 00:57:13
From one that was going to be developed down near the lake. 00:57:15
To the one up. 00:57:17
The. 00:57:19
What we're talking about the roadway 400. 00:57:20
We're not. I'm speaking on behalf of the Vineyard Heritage Foundation. 00:57:24
A couple of years ago, we took a tour out through the part. 00:57:29
East, the eastern most part of that development. 00:57:33
To see what we could do to build a Heritage Park. 00:57:36
In that area, that's where that's near where there are silos and an old farmhouse and. 00:57:39
A lot of other things that are still part of the. 00:57:45
The community of Vineyard. 00:57:49
My only problem if we swapped out the sequencing of those parks. 00:57:51
Would be. 00:57:56
The Heritage Foundation is not prepared to come up with architectural drawings of what we would like to see in that park that. 00:57:56
That would be reserved as a park. 00:58:04
But we've not been able to yet. 00:58:05
Put together drawing some plans. 00:58:07
That. 00:58:11
That we're now kind of being forced to do quickly. 00:58:12
If we swap those parks. 00:58:15
So where? 00:58:17
Very willing to work work with the Planning Commission. 00:58:18
As they start working through this process. 00:58:22
To try to develop such. 00:58:24
Schematics and so on so we can see what a Heritage Park might look like there. 00:58:27
If we're going to move forward with developing it. 00:58:31
More quickly than. 00:58:33
Was originally planned. 00:58:35
Thank you. 00:58:36
Thank you, Sir. 00:58:37
Come on down. Yes. 00:58:39
So at the rate we're going with the inflexibility of the development agreement that parks not going to happen for 10 years. 00:58:42
That was a joke. 00:58:49
We got done. 00:58:50
What I what I'm what I'm saying is. 00:58:52
But to be more serious in answering your question is. 00:58:55
Is we're sitting right now, I think between Goodborough and Cadence. 00:58:57
Probably around 40 or 45 C of OS. 00:59:01
The first park, whether it's the Lake Park or. 00:59:05
The farm park. 00:59:08
Does not deliver to the city until 114. 00:59:09
So you can imagine that it's taken us a couple of several years to get to the point that we are now. Our hope is it doesn't take 00:59:12
us several more years, but we're not talking about months. 00:59:17
We're talking about probably at least. 00:59:21
A year or two. 00:59:23
And I think that. 00:59:25
If we can't come up with what we're going to do in a Heritage Park situation there. 00:59:26
Then we probably shouldn't do a Heritage Park, but I think that's enough time. At least a year ought to give us enough time to 00:59:30
have that conversation, that dog. 00:59:33
We're fully supportive of whatever the city wants to do and happy to. 00:59:36
Jump off our We've specifically not torn down silos because we knew that that was something that was raised to us. We are getting 00:59:40
more concerned about the trespassing. 00:59:44
The old barn with the fire last summer, We'd like to kind of do some things that need to be done. 00:59:49
But we are not tearing anything down without having these conversations so. 00:59:54
And I think we've got time. 00:59:58
Yeah. Thank you, Sir. 00:59:59
OK, you ready to jump on? 01:00:01
To the. 01:00:04
OK, all righty. We will close the work session and head. So we did public comments. We're going to go jump down to #5 on the 01:00:05
agenda which is the consent items. 01:00:10
I'm going to give a little explanation here and ask Bryant and. 01:00:15
And perhaps Evan to jump in and kind of. 01:00:18
Correct me if I'm wrong saying anything here. So the. 01:00:21
5.1 and 5.2. 01:00:25
Is the approval of. 01:00:27
City Council meeting minutes. 01:00:29
5.3 Skate Park Letter of support Brian, do you want to talk to that real quick? 01:00:32
Yeah, so essentially we're planning to apply for a skate park. 01:00:37
Grant through the Utah Outdoor Recreation. 01:00:42
Grant Organization. 01:00:46
And as part of that, we want to have support letters to help make our applications strong. And one of those we wanted to do was. 01:00:47
Showing support from mayor and City Council. 01:00:55
And so essentially this is just. 01:00:57
To make everyone aware. 01:01:00
Just that you guys support that we. 01:01:03
Pursue that grant possibility and. 01:01:06
Great. We already signed a letter, correct? And so you have that, OK. So that's just the OK. 01:01:09
So. 01:01:14
This is honestly I'm just want to please add to that that these layers of support from local. 01:01:15
Council is very common. 01:01:20
For example, when we applied for. 01:01:22
The Mountain. 01:01:24
Mountain Land Association of Governments. 01:01:26
For funding to for. 01:01:28
The rail consolidation. 01:01:31
We had to. 01:01:33
Receive as just a letter stating that. 01:01:34
You know this is on the. 01:01:38
On the plan. 01:01:39
And it's, you know, this is just supported by. 01:01:40
So far on our priorities, so this is a very common task. 01:01:45
Does. Unfortunately doesn't guarantee. 01:01:49
The grant. 01:01:51
Money, well it helps, right? It helps substantially. Typically they wouldn't, they wouldn't even look at. 01:01:52
OK, sounds good. 01:01:58
OK, great. 01:01:59
Already I'm going to jump down to 5.4. 01:02:00
Municipal financial institutions, signatory authorization. So this is something new to me, so. 01:02:04
I think this would be helpful in just a. 01:02:08
For the citizens understand kind of why we're asking for this. So right now Vineyard City, we bank with three different 01:02:11
institutions, Zions Bank. 01:02:15
U.S. bank and then CC Bank. CC Bank. 01:02:19
We use for our payroll. 01:02:22
And is in this new administration. I went there so I could become a signer. 01:02:24
Make sure that we can have payroll to go through. They asked for they asked for this right here. The municipal finances due to 01:02:28
signatory authorization. 01:02:32
Resolution so they could update that. 01:02:36
As we're going through the different administrations, I've asked that we have. 01:02:39
Evan and David Kyle also have the authority to to sign for that. 01:02:43
The I need. 01:02:48
It would be helpful. 01:02:50
I real quick, Mayor. 01:02:52
Please 97 point word. 01:02:54
Sure, if we're gonna. 01:02:56
Can we finalize the consent agenda in the room? 01:02:58
Just so. 01:03:01
Approve the items that we don't need to discuss and then get into the ones we do. 01:03:02
Actually, do I comment on? 01:03:06
5.3. 01:03:09
5.4 OK. 01:03:10
All right, so. 01:03:12
That is. 01:03:13
So that is this so? 01:03:14
Passing this will allow us to make sure that. 01:03:15
CC bank is good to go so. 01:03:18
Any I'll entertain a motion on the consent items so. 01:03:20
Ezra, you said you had comments on 5.1. 01:03:25
5.3 and 5.4. 01:03:28
So the only one that you're ready to approve is 5.2, which is the February 17th. 01:03:32
City Council meeting minutes. 01:03:38
Correct. 01:03:41
And the other one. 01:03:42
OK, I move to approve the February 17th, 2026 City Council meeting minutes. 01:03:44
Second all in favor, aye. 01:03:50
Aye, OK, Aye. 01:03:53
Any opposed? 01:03:54
OK, let's jump into 5.1 real quick. Ezra, what did you want to go through? 01:03:55
What you have there? 01:04:00
Yeah, just in the minutes or 5.1 on item. 01:04:02
On the predatory spelling item, we had quite a few public comments. 01:04:07
That. 01:04:11
Didn't get put into the record. 01:04:12
And I was wondering if we could just. 01:04:14
Out of the minutes to. 01:04:16
Not only put those in the record. 01:04:18
But then also. 01:04:21
There was a note that. 01:04:23
That we make it our top priority to establish the neighborhood committees. 01:04:25
I went back and kind of. 01:04:28
Re watch the meeting to see. 01:04:30
Where the top priority comment came out and. 01:04:32
It was a lot of. 01:04:35
Discussing about. 01:04:36
The towing and we kind of went back and forth between the neighborhood committees, neighborhood lots. 01:04:38
The towing and. 01:04:42
And I think the the direction on the top. 01:04:43
We might have gotten. 01:04:46
Jumbled in there. 01:04:48
And. 01:04:49
I think that's maybe where. 01:04:50
I I felt like the public was asking us to take action on. 01:04:53
Overall, I can see towing restrictions making that like fixing those problems our top priority rather than establishing the 01:04:56
neighborhood committees. 01:04:59
But anyway. 01:05:02
I would just at the very least, like the public. 01:05:05
Comments to be included in there. 01:05:06
Before we approve those minutes. 01:05:08
OK, Tony, Yeah. 01:05:11
I can go ahead and do that and then we'll throw on the next consent. 01:05:14
OK, yeah, just names and. 01:05:17
Similar to what we. 01:05:19
Yeah, public confidence sounds good. 01:05:20
Of their section. That would be great. Thank you. 01:05:23
OK. Do you need a motion to approve that motion to continue that one to next, next council meeting second? 01:05:25
5.1 OK. 01:05:31
5.1 OK, all in favor. 01:05:33
Aye. 01:05:34
Any opposed? 01:05:35
OK. Thank you. 01:05:37
Awesome. 01:05:38
5.3. 01:05:39
5.3 The skate park level support, do we already submit our application, Brian? 01:05:41
Or were we waiting for this agenda item? 01:05:46
No, yeah, we're just waiting for this agenda item. 01:05:49
Again, since we signed it last week, I thought we were. 01:05:54
Moving to ratify this, but if we haven't made any official action, that hasn't been submitted. 01:05:56
I'm supportive of disapproving. 01:06:01
As is, I know we did sign it so it could have been sent last week, but. 01:06:03
That's fine, we can just approve this as is then. 01:06:08
OK. 01:06:11
So take that. 01:06:13
Yep, I move to approve consent item 5.3, the skate park Letter of support as presented. 01:06:15
2nd. 01:06:20
All in favor, aye? 01:06:21
Any opposed? OK. 01:06:24
All righty motion passes. 01:06:26
Let's jump to 5.4. 01:06:29
I'd like to propose a amendment to 5.4 as it was presented. 01:06:31
One of the things. 01:06:36
That. 01:06:38
I think is a byproduct of this. 01:06:39
Is and I know Councilman there made a post about it earlier. 01:06:41
Was the ability for. 01:06:46
The Executive office to open and close new accounts without a check from the City Council. 01:06:48
As we've kind of transitioned into. 01:06:55
A more executive and legislative. 01:06:58
Two branches, perhaps in municipal government. 01:07:00
I think it would be a best practice if we had a. 01:07:03
Voting process for that at the City Council level, if a new account needs to be opened or if an account is closed. 01:07:08
So my proposed amendment would be. 01:07:16
To add a vote from the City Council for any new accounts or account closure. 01:07:18
OK, that's all taken. 01:07:23
I would second that motion. 01:07:29
Let's see what Ezra has as well. 01:07:32
Yeah, sorry. 01:07:36
I apologize for. 01:07:39
The one not being there to. 01:07:42
I know there were. 01:07:45
Some things throughout the post. 01:07:48
I feel, I feel like. 01:07:51
My goal is just to highlight. 01:07:53
A potential weakness. This has nothing to do with our current administration, our current staff. 01:07:56
Or anybody. 01:08:00
That. 01:08:01
We wouldn't. 01:08:02
Trust them to act in the best interests of the city and I feel very strong about that when I look at. 01:08:02
Policies from policy. 01:08:08
Making role sitting sitting on the City Council here one of the things I always like to do. 01:08:10
Is try to find those. 01:08:15
Loopholes. 01:08:18
Plot holes in the policies that are that are being drafted and this was just one that. 01:08:19
That I identified as a potential for enemy. 01:08:24
Future administration to maybe? 01:08:27
Have happen. 01:08:30
Parker, I think your your suggestion is is. 01:08:31
A great way to. 01:08:34
Undo that. I did note that on the agenda item there was that yellow section. 01:08:37
And I think that was. 01:08:41
Kind of inviting comment on this SO. 01:08:43
I knew it wasn't. 01:08:45
Necessarily a done deal at that point. 01:08:46
But it looks like there are two. 01:08:50
Two options within the resolution that are being proposed. 01:08:52
For the authorized signatories on those. 01:08:55
One is just saying it will require. 01:08:58
Two from among the authorized signatories or one elected official. 01:09:01
And one staff member. 01:09:06
I don't know if the intent was to get additional comment on that, but. 01:09:09
I feel like the finance team should just be involved. If the council is voting on these, then that. 01:09:12
Absolutely. 01:09:16
Solves that issue because the staff will be able to. 01:09:18
Act on the Council's recommendations. 01:09:21
But yeah, I would just hate for any situation where the finance team was not aware of an account that was being created. 01:09:24
And didn't even know how this is something we. 01:09:29
Include in our total reporting or our auditing. So I think that's a great suggestion, Parker and. 01:09:32
Again, I apologize for. 01:09:38
For any. 01:09:40
Part feeling David I. 01:09:42
I appreciate David Connor. I appreciate all the. 01:09:43
The work that you've done and. 01:09:46
And stepping up and being willing to fulfill this role. 01:09:48
It is. 01:09:51
A lot to balance all the different. 01:09:52
Bureaucracy type things, not even just within the city. I mean, this is something that's being required to thank so many of these 01:09:55
little things. 01:09:58
And I need to get done so. 01:10:01
I appreciate you being able to step in that. 01:10:03
That role and willing to do that for us. 01:10:05
OK, Motion. Yeah, let me figure out how to word that real quick. OK, sounds good. I move to approve. 01:10:10
Item 5.4. 01:10:17
The municipal finance institution. 01:10:20
Signatory authorization. 01:10:22
With an amendment. 01:10:24
To hold a City Council vote. 01:10:27
Anytime a new account is being. 01:10:31
Opened. 01:10:33
On the city's behalf. 01:10:34
Or. 01:10:35
A financial account is being closed. 01:10:36
On the city's behalf. 01:10:38
Do I have a second? 01:10:43
I'll second that. 01:10:44
Awesome. All in favor. 01:10:45
Aye. 01:10:47
Roll call, network roll call on that one. OK, we'll start here with. 01:10:48
We'll start with Ezra, since your. 01:10:51
Go ahead. 01:10:53
Councilman naira aye. 01:10:55
Parker. 01:10:57
Councilman Mccumber, aye. 01:10:58
Councilman Wood I. 01:11:00
Larae I. 01:11:01
Awesome motion passes. 01:11:03
OK. Next we are going to jump down the appointment and. 01:11:06
This is regarding the ula Utah Lake Authority governing board member. 01:11:11
Where? 01:11:15
The mayor, me, will be representing our city on that board. 01:11:17
Any discussions or a motion on that? 01:11:26
I move to adopt Resolution 2026-09, appointing the mayor to the Utah Lake. 01:11:29
Authority. Governing board. 01:11:34
Awesome. A second. 01:11:36
OK, all in favor. 01:11:38
Aye. 01:11:39
Awesome. 01:11:40
Do we do because the resolution do we have to do we roll call that one? OK. All right, Tony, thanks for keeping us in line. So. 01:11:41
We started with Ezra. Last time we saw David, This time David. 01:11:47
Larae I would I? 01:11:50
Councilman Mccumber, aye. 01:11:53
Councilman, aye, aye. 01:11:56
Awesome motion passes or. 01:11:57
The resolution passes. 01:12:00
OK, alrighty. We're going to jump down to the business item 7.1, creation of Neighborhood Commission. 01:12:03
So I'm going to jump. 01:12:08
Pass the time over to Jacob Wood here. 01:12:10
To kind of explain and introduce this resolution. 01:12:13
Jacob see if I can get it on the screen. 01:12:16
OK, let's see if I can present it. 01:12:19
OK. Thank you. 01:12:25
So the past over the past couple weeks after presenting this concept that a previous City Council meeting, I took your guys 01:12:27
feedback on trying to make this more formal. 01:12:31
And I think that the way to do this is to do it how other cities do it, which is to form an actual Commission. 01:12:35
For a long time, we've had situations where decisions are made for neighborhoods without those neighborhoods really being part of 01:12:41
the. 01:12:44
Process. 01:12:46
And that's how you end up with frustration and disconnect. 01:12:47
We've seen a lot of that. 01:12:50
So after a lot of discussion and feedback, I believe forming an actual neighborhood advisory Commission is the best way forward. 01:12:51
This is how many municipalities do it, including Orem and Provo. 01:12:56
Nature is a structured way, in a consistent way for neighborhoods to stay involved. 01:13:00
So the structure is pretty simple. 01:13:06
We divide the vineyard. 01:13:09
Into 10 districts. Each district will have one representative. 01:13:10
That person will be appointed by the mayor and approved by council. 01:13:14
This Commission will be advisory only, It does not replace the Council. 01:13:16
It does not make any binding decisions. It is not an HOA. 01:13:20
It gathers input, discusses. 01:13:23
Level issues and brings organized recommendations forward to City Council. 01:13:26
So this is the proposed map. 01:13:34
Took a lot of time matching neighborhoods based on similarities and design and types of issues they're dealing with. 01:13:37
Some areas. 01:13:42
Are dealing with parking pressures, infrastructure challenges or housing dynamics? 01:13:45
Other neighborhoods are more unique, like the 55 plus communities, so those were kept separate. 01:13:49
Where appropriate so the Pacific needs aren't diluted or overshadowed. 01:13:54
So the goal wasn't necessarily to draw lines. 01:13:58
Randomly. 01:14:00
The goal was to create groupings that reflect how people actually experience their neighborhoods. 01:14:01
Day-to-day. 01:14:05
So that's just a better. 01:14:06
Graph of what I have. 01:14:07
So no park? You mentioned a downtown area. 01:14:10
So added to downtown to District 4. 01:14:13
So it's kind of a zoomed in map. 01:14:16
That makes sense. 01:14:20
So the role and authority. 01:14:27
Is just to nib their. 01:14:29
The role the Commission will be focused. They will discuss neighborhood. 01:14:31
Hood issues provide recommendations that Council, as I said. 01:14:34
To facilitate meetings between neighborhoods. 01:14:37
And they'll support surveys or engagement efforts were needed. 01:14:39
So this gives us a structured way to get feedback instead of hearsay, and it makes participation more accessible, organized. 01:14:42
And ongoing. 01:14:49
So the items I'd like to finalize tonight and get your thoughts on is to determine. 01:14:51
The term length. 01:14:56
The meeting and the meeting frequency once those are decided. 01:14:58
We can go ahead and form this. 01:15:02
Commission. So if that I'd like to open up for discussions if you guys have any. 01:15:04
Thoughts or questions? I'm happy to answer it. 01:15:09
If the public has any questions as well, I'm happy to. 01:15:11
Answer with that as well so. 01:15:14
Thank you. 01:15:16
OK, Council any. 01:15:18
Discussions or questions for Councilman Wood regarding this. 01:15:22
Commission. 01:15:26
Yes. 01:15:28
I have some, but I didn't. You can go ahead and start over. Yeah, Start us off, Ezra. 01:15:29
OK, yeah, so the map. 01:15:33
So. 01:15:36
So the goal is every neighborhood would have one representative. 01:15:37
That would come to this committee. 01:15:41
And then they would vote on these recommendations for the council. No, they wouldn't vote so. 01:15:43
And it's not every neighborhood, so I pacifically month. 01:15:48
Put it together in districts. I think we did. If we did, every neighborhood would be like. 01:15:50
Over 20 people. 01:15:54
So there. 01:15:55
Is there are purposes to meet together? 01:15:57
They come to City Council meetings if there's any issues, if they have any recommendations. So if we have a. 01:16:00
Let's say that that holdaway development, we would go to District 10, talk to that representative and see. 01:16:04
What that community specifically would like to see there. 01:16:10
So that's the goal of this. 01:16:12
So what that person would represent that neighborhood? How about? 01:16:14
How would they do that? Would they meet with the people there were they would be a regular? Yeah. So their goal in neighborhood. 01:16:17
There what we would want them to do is organize neighborhood level meeting. 01:16:23
And then they from that meeting, that representative will come to us. 01:16:28
Or we will contact that representative to see. 01:16:31
What that community would want to see in that? 01:16:33
You know it relates to. 01:16:36
Development project. 01:16:39
Oh, got it. So. 01:16:41
So they're basically like a facilitator. 01:16:42
To help organize and talk about mostly talking about issues within their neighborhood. 01:16:45
Then I saw like monthly or quarterly recommendations on meeting frequency. How often would they all meet? So that's. 01:16:50
So that's what I want to discuss with you. 01:16:57
On how often we should have the representatives meet with us in terms of having them if their own neighborhoods. 01:16:59
We can figure out how to structure that as well. 01:17:05
But what we what we would want is the representatives to go out and organize that themselves. 01:17:08
In those. 01:17:13
You know districts. 01:17:13
Do we need to specify an exact interval or can we say arrange? They can be anywhere from, say monthly to quarterly or something 01:17:17
depending upon their needs. I mean, I think you can give a recommendation. I don't think you can specify an interval, especially 01:17:23
when this is an unpaid position with no budget assigned to it. I mean, you can't make people just show up. 01:17:28
You can't even get to the Planning Commission right now, that's true. 01:17:34
I know for example neighborhood watch requires like one meeting a year just to make sure that. 01:17:41
I guess this is happening like I look at worms website and I think. 01:17:46
Their neighborhood council members are. 01:17:50
Not updated like. 01:17:52
I would hate for this. So you get started up and then just. 01:17:54
Like not. 01:17:56
Actually have any? 01:17:58
Situation because it isn't. 01:17:59
Something that we. 01:18:01
Are actively monitoring or regularly checking in on are actually. 01:18:02
Referencing. 01:18:06
But if that's the plan, if the plan is to have. 01:18:09
The neighborhoods each kind of represent their own area. 01:18:12
I would like to propose having more. 01:18:16
Of these is like for example 6. So I lived in district 6 is what's currently written right now and there are 6 different. 01:18:19
Pretty unique neighborhoods with unique issues. 01:18:27
In that area. So we've got like Windsor. 01:18:30
Which is much more high density single family. I mean it's all single family housing, but. 01:18:33
Windsor is much more high density. 01:18:36
Bridge boards, a part of the HOA but similar to the Gemini and. 01:18:39
In size, but not in the HOA. 01:18:42
That bleeds down into the townhome developments that are South of. 01:18:45
Of Center St. 01:18:49
And then there's a. 01:18:51
For religious boundaries, there's a. 01:18:52
Geographic two different. 01:18:55
Tracy did describe the latter day St. Ward's in that area. 01:18:58
I think there's multiple poll. 01:19:02
Party precincts. 01:19:05
In that area as well. 01:19:07
I feel like 9 is is a huge district. I mean, there's, there's lots and lots of. 01:19:08
So 9. 01:19:13
Apartment complex and I think it's. 01:19:15
So the reason I did 9 is because that has Mill point, has Edgewater, has Concord. So it's not it's a really. 01:19:17
The problem of high. 01:19:24
I mean, I got him out to vote. 01:19:26
November but it's really hard to get him to come to meetings like that, so. 01:19:27
That's why I decided to group that whole area together and they're dealing with similar issues like you live in District 6. 01:19:31
This restricts overwhelmingly dealing with. 01:19:37
Over occupancy issues, right District 9 is dealing with parking shortages and. 01:19:39
Predatory towing. 01:19:43
So I really tried to. 01:19:45
Map it. 01:19:47
And you know, we can probably add more. 01:19:48
But really try to map it specifically towards neighborhood level issues and similar issues that our neighbors are facing. 01:19:50
So. 01:19:56
Yeah. And I appreciate the the effort to do that. 01:20:00
I think it's. 01:20:03
If I if I see an issue like South of Summer St. for example though. 01:20:04
I'm not going to necessarily want. 01:20:08
That I would go straight to that neighborhood. 01:20:11
Rather than. 01:20:14
Kind of looking at the entire district 6 blocks, so maybe even just targeting out. 01:20:15
Like that lower high density as that continues to build out, they're going to have. 01:20:19
Sure. 01:20:23
Similar issues since their neighborhood structures and then what's your concern over? 01:20:24
Oh, sorry to interrupt. What's your concern? 01:20:29
Let's say you live in Bridgeport and the representative lives in. 01:20:31
The Charmaine and you have an issue in Bridgeport, it's not in the issue there. You can still go to that representative. That 01:20:35
representative's job is to represent the entire district and get those issues and all the neighborhoods over there. So you'll 01:20:39
still get those issues to the table. 01:20:43
If that helps. 01:20:48
Yeah, I just don't see why I would even bother reaching out. 01:20:51
To that person. 01:20:54
That point I would just reach out directly to. Well, you can do that too. 01:20:55
For my neighbors in that area as well. 01:20:59
And so if we're going to have some sort of like. 01:21:01
Elevated. 01:21:04
Status where they. 01:21:05
Have additional recommending capacity to the Council. 01:21:06
I would just love that extra representation so I can. 01:21:10
I can know, OK, this person is going to really be able to work on the organize their neighbors. 01:21:13
In their neighborhood. 01:21:17
I feel like from like the organizing and the meeting perspective it might be. 01:21:19
Helpful to have. 01:21:22
Smaller groups. 01:21:23
And you probably get more. 01:21:24
Engagement in my mind. 01:21:26
If I can. 01:21:28
Actually get all my neighbors to a meeting versus. 01:21:29
If I'm like. 01:21:32
A regular settings are now going around knocking doors saying hey I have this new. 01:21:33
Neighborhood advisory position on the council and. 01:21:37
And that's my authority. 01:21:40
When everyone in the area just have my cell phone number and can call me directly with some of their issues as well. 01:21:41
Yeah. Parker, do you have any more? 01:21:47
But I think it'd be really helpful, I mean for the neighborhoods that I. 01:21:49
I'm not a part of. I do like the idea of having. 01:21:52
Somebody that we know the community supports as well. 01:21:55
So that. 01:21:58
That's also one thing, I guess on the. 01:21:59
Select an appointment, it would be great in my opinion. 01:22:01
To have like. 01:22:04
A certain number of. 01:22:06
Signatures or some some sort of? 01:22:08
Indication that. 01:22:10
The neighborhood does support this individual. 01:22:12
Bring these issues to the Council so we can know OK, if I'm reaching out to this individual. 01:22:14
They have the support of. 01:22:19
20 or 30 or 50 of their neighbors that have signed on to say yes. 01:22:20
I want this person to handle these issues on. 01:22:24
I in line with that one of my. 01:22:30
Thoughts or concerns is you know you you brought up. 01:22:33
That these would be. 01:22:35
Positions submitted or names submitted by the Mayor voted on by the consent of the council. 01:22:36
I'm curious about the process. 01:22:41
As you would recommend it for. 01:22:44
Obtaining those names and those recommendations, is this something that the city is going to put out? 01:22:47
You know, public notice and try to get nominations applications is Zach interviewing all these people and then he's going to bring 01:22:52
them in and and we vote on it. Like what's the process for that? So I would imagine it being the neighborhoods nominating people 01:22:56
and then Zach. 01:23:00
Or if he designated City Council person. 01:23:04
Interviews that person. 01:23:07
So I would imagine it being similar to what the Planning Commission is, but more decentralized. So we would we would get the 01:23:09
nominations from. 01:23:12
Each district, if that makes sense. 01:23:16
Correct, I'm just asking about the actual infrastructure or the process of getting the nomination. 01:23:19
Like we could say, yeah, we want to get it from them, but or is somebody going knocking their doors? Are we? 01:23:24
Calling them? Emailing them? How does that actually look? 01:23:29
You can post it on social media. 01:23:32
It's like how we do. 01:23:34
Both commissions. 01:23:35
And then? 01:23:37
My, my other thought was, you know, I'm a huge fan of the decentralization and deregulation and everything. 01:23:38
So I'm. 01:23:45
At odds here internally, and I'll just be very honest about it, where I love to see something like this where we have. 01:23:46
Neighborhood representation because I want neighborhoods to represent neighborhoods. One size solutions don't fit everyone. 01:23:52
I also absolutely abhor the fact. 01:23:59
That we would create a Commission because once you create a Commission, it has a tendency of never going away and asking for money 01:24:02
and wanting to grow in its power scope, reach an authority. 01:24:07
So I generally. 01:24:12
Dislike that? 01:24:14
My. 01:24:15
Concern would be, you know, are there term limits associated? We haven't talked at all about putting a sunset on it or a term 01:24:16
limit structure. 01:24:20
And then what's? 01:24:26
I mean, I understand the benefit of having an specific. 01:24:27
Representative for the neighborhood. 01:24:30
But that doesn't stop people either. Not that I'm saying we should be stopping them. I'm saying. 01:24:32
People will still just. 01:24:37
Come to the City Council. They don't have to go to that representative, they just cut them out. 01:24:39
So then I get into this train of thought of. 01:24:42
What's the point? 01:24:45
And that feeds my. 01:24:47
Thought on. 01:24:49
Man, I'd hate to. 01:24:51
Develop a Commission. 01:24:52
So anyways, I'm having that internal debate right now. I'd love to hear some more feedback from all of you on those. 01:24:54
Thoughts, points and comments. 01:24:59
David. 01:25:02
We talked about this last. We talked about the possibility of going neighborhood by neighborhood as opposed to districts. 01:25:05
And that we would base it on the. 01:25:11
Neighborhood Watch program from the Sheriff's Department. 01:25:13
That we try to organize it that way and then have them. 01:25:16
Have sort of a dual role or a sort of thing. And then as neighborhoods. 01:25:20
You know, organized and came online, they would become part of this. 01:25:23
You know, sort of quasi official. 01:25:27
Council and then and that would be some and then we could go to the. 01:25:30
That council had to ask them questions about. 01:25:34
How do you feel about this This we could we, you know. 01:25:37
Trial balloon. Different ideas. 01:25:40
Or how Sol? 01:25:42
Problem a Parking problems and. 01:25:43
Overall occupancy problems and et cetera, et cetera. 01:25:45
With them. 01:25:49
And so that's why I sort of envisioned. 01:25:49
When we talked about last. 01:25:52
And I liked the granularity that I know there's lots of people involved and I know they wouldn't all show up. 01:25:53
But I think the people with the bigger problems have the. 01:26:00
You know that we're really concerned about getting a solution. 01:26:03
Would be there. 01:26:06
OK. Then we can work on a neighborhood level with them? 01:26:07
And as opposed to whole. 01:26:10
As opposed to trying to impose something on an entire district. 01:26:12
We can really focus on that one neighborhood. 01:26:15
Because, you know, the example Ezra gave is really good. I mean at Bridgeport. 01:26:18
May look a lot. 01:26:22
Like La Chaminade. 01:26:24
But the issues are different. There's an HOA in one and not one in the other. And and there's there's different, different power 01:26:25
structure there. 01:26:29
It seems to me that we ought to be able to. 01:26:33
Some I would like to see it more granular and. 01:26:36
And where we can. 01:26:39
You know, make neighborhoods. 01:26:40
Work together because they really are. 01:26:42
Much more alike within neighborhoods and within the districts. 01:26:46
You've done a great job here that these are really a lot. 01:26:49
You know have similar problems. You're right, they have. 01:26:51
Similar interests. I agree with that. 01:26:54
But I think the more granular approach would. 01:26:56
Would actually let them. 01:26:59
Deal with the issues that they have. 01:27:00
Yeah, I think I generally agree with that. 01:27:02
Idea, especially when you think about. 01:27:05
You know, who are you more likely to approach? Is it somebody in your neighborhood or your ward that you know that you see every 01:27:06
week? Or is it? 01:27:09
You know somebody you know. 01:27:12
Two neighborhoods down that. 01:27:13
Is in your district here, but maybe isn't somebody that you personally know. 01:27:15
I know, you know, Councilman Nair brought up that same kind of point. I think that that might be a better. 01:27:20
Approach. 01:27:25
Although a little bit more. 01:27:26
Intensive in the selection process then because you create more positions. 01:27:28
OK. 01:27:32
I I think that all this. 01:27:34
All the points are well taken, kind of where I met on this, this neighborhood Commission. I really like the intent of it. 01:27:36
I I think that. 01:27:42
There are really there are challenges that each. 01:27:43
Neighborhood Each. Each. 01:27:47
Area of. 01:27:49
Faces. And they're nuanced. 01:27:50
And specifically, we're talking about parking and towing, all that stuff. It's really nuanced as I look across the whole city. 01:27:52
You know I live in the Sycamores right now. 01:27:59
Our problems are not what lakefront and northern Sheminot nor it's just so nuanced and so I think that. 01:28:01
Where I'm at on this I really. 01:28:07
I like. 01:28:09
And I think. 01:28:10
I would definitely. 01:28:12
Could get behind this, but I think. 01:28:13
If we could get a little more granular. 01:28:15
And have a little more representation now with that being said. 01:28:17
We'd have to have. I would really appreciate counsel. 01:28:22
Participation. 01:28:26
And maybe what? 01:28:27
I would recommend is. 01:28:28
Dividing it up and each council member take a specific area might be helpful too to get. 01:28:30
To have that. 01:28:36
Because I'm just thinking about the logistics of. 01:28:37
Kind of where I'm at with. 01:28:40
Time and. 01:28:42
Interviewing. 01:28:43
20 people. 01:28:45
There's a lot so. 01:28:47
I'll just put that out there with that. 01:28:50
I've got 2 comments. I have is. 01:28:53
Sorry, I can't see staff as Chief Debbie Holden there. 01:28:55
Yeah, he's here. 01:28:58
He's grinning from ear to ear. 01:29:00
What do you have like? 01:29:05
So I know that like the neighborhood watch. 01:29:07
Is really like. 01:29:09
Kind of tailored to each specific neighborhood and there's. 01:29:11
There's like a neighborhood captain. 01:29:14
I almost wonder if. 01:29:17
You know, if we get that. 01:29:19
Fully stood up. 01:29:20
And we basically just, I don't know if the neighborhood watches like a charter or something. 01:29:21
Where? 01:29:26
You know, you highlight. OK, here's all the things that. 01:29:26
You need to watch out for. Here's the things that we want your community to watch out for. 01:29:29
If we just add it like. 01:29:32
OK, Also, the Council may reach out to you directly on. 01:29:35
General issues for the neighborhood, can we just kind of add that as a? 01:29:39
Other duties assigned to like a neighborhood. 01:29:42
Captain, because that would be. 01:29:44
Somebody I know, there's like federal grants and opportunities there for funding that we don't have to. 01:29:46
Paper directly, of course. It's all. 01:29:51
You know, all our tax money that goes to the feds and then comes back to us. But. 01:29:53
Maybe you could talk about what that looks like and. 01:29:57
And how the maps are. 01:30:00
Potentially laid out there. 01:30:01
I think our intention with Neighborhood Watch would be more granular on the neighborhood by neighborhood basis. And to be honest, 01:30:04
neighborhood watch, we can make that whatever we want. We don't even have to call it Neighborhood watch. We could call it 01:30:08
something else and blend this proposal with Neighborhood Watch. Really we can do what we want there and create something new for 01:30:12
Vineyard. 01:30:17
I'm happy to help have. 01:30:21
Neighborhood watch integrated with this or hey, if we have a block captain. 01:30:24
But that the difference there is generally that's more like a volunteer. We reach out to the neighborhoods, hey, we'd like to 01:30:27
implement this in your neighborhood. Is there anybody that would like to be a block captain? Because you want somebody that wants 01:30:32
to do it instead of forcing somebody to do that. Otherwise you will get less participation. Well, I think that's necessary for 01:30:37
this because if it's not somebody that wants to do it, they're not going to do it. 01:30:42
And and really the struggle with thing like with neighborhood watch that I've seen is. 01:30:47
You really have to have somebody that's consistently checking in with the neighborhoods to help them keep going because it it is 01:30:51
volunteer and participation can be low and it's hard to maintain if you don't have. 01:30:56
Consistent person that's checking in with them. 01:31:03
I don't mind the idea of maybe. 01:31:05
Grouping some districts or neighborhoods together and assigning a council member to it to represent those areas. 01:31:07
And that council member could help. 01:31:13
With that process of checking it, they'll facilitate that. I think that would be. 01:31:15
Beneficial to help it. 01:31:18
Roll faster and more consistently so. 01:31:20
I'm happy to meet on it and. 01:31:23
And come up with anything we want to do that way. 01:31:24
OK. David, did you have something that you were going to say as well? 01:31:27
Oh well, in Provo they have actual districts with their council. 01:31:30
And I mean. 01:31:34
Provo is a good example of where in the past this has worked. 01:31:35
Where they've divided up and then they've had a council member that. 01:31:39
Is over like. 01:31:44
So for instance, every council district. 01:31:45
Was divided up like three ways. 01:31:48
And. 01:31:50
Than they were so it was kind of a. 01:31:51
Bottom up. 01:31:53
Approach, but the council member played a big role. 01:31:54
Helping keeping the neighborhood chairs motivated and getting feedback and. 01:31:58
And and then they. 01:32:03
The applications would go. 01:32:04
From the council up to the mayor. 01:32:06
OK, so. 01:32:09
That makes a lot of sense. Yep, that's an interesting. Yeah, that's an interesting. 01:32:11
Comment, David, I know. 01:32:16
Yeah, that's right. Yeah, Provo is is districted, I wonder. 01:32:18
I mean, I know we're a lot smaller, but we do have a lot of diverse. 01:32:22
Neighborhood interests and kind of different demographics based on the size and. 01:32:26
An area The city. 01:32:30
What if we? 01:32:32
To get it to work, to put that on the ballot. 01:32:33
Like having. 01:32:36
Is it time you think to? 01:32:37
Maybe district out vineyard and have. 01:32:39
Councils elected by district. 01:32:41
So that would my thought on that to kind of merge the idea, Ezra. 01:32:44
Is. 01:32:49
You have. 01:32:50
You know multiple neighborhoods in each of these blocks. 01:32:51
You have each neighborhood have their own representative, kind of like exactly what we're talking about. 01:32:55
And then you just are segmenting it and you're saying that each council member has an area of responsibilities like maybe mine is. 01:32:59
Shores, James Bay and Hamptons. 01:33:06
And I would meet with the neighborhood. What are the neighborhood watch captains, the block captains, whatever we call them. 01:33:09
For those areas, those people could bring their concerns directly to me and then I would represent them on the council for. 01:33:15
Concerns that our neighborhood specific. 01:33:21
So then it doesn't necessarily have to be something that we are. 01:33:23
Putting on a ballot or taking to. 01:33:27
You know, a full districting. It's just saying, hey. 01:33:29
You're going to meet with those neighborhood captains. 01:33:32
Yeah. 01:33:35
Yeah, no, that's interesting because like right now. 01:33:37
I think we're very fortunate to have a super. 01:33:40
Diverse council as far as like. 01:33:43
What the neighborhoods were in where we live and stuff. And so there's kind of that natural. 01:33:45
We all kind of know the interests of our area a little bit better. 01:33:49
But I. 01:33:52
I mean, packed down the road we could have all. 01:33:53
5 council members of the mayor and. 01:33:56
Like District 1 or District 5 or something like that. If things had worked out that way, so. 01:33:58
Now it's like, I do love having like. 01:34:05
People from all over the city. 01:34:08
Representing the city. 01:34:10
And it might be. 01:34:12
It might be cool to formalize that, but anyway. 01:34:15
That's not just a thought that came up as you mentioned that, David. So thank you. 01:34:17
It seems to me that a district in Provo would be as large as. 01:34:21
Our entire city, yeah. 01:34:26
So it's and we and. 01:34:28
So I'm not sure it works for us that way. It was just a logistical we're more looking at like how do you? 01:34:29
Maybe take the best practice of the structure, not. 01:34:36
Emulate it directly. 01:34:40
Yeah, structure not. 01:34:42
Actual. 01:34:43
That that was not my intent, was to say we needed to go to a vote. 01:34:44
So just for the record. 01:34:47
Thanks for clarifying, David. 01:34:49
OK. Well, I appreciate the feedback and I can go ahead and. 01:34:52
Work on it again, should we? Should we continue this then for another so do we, do we have? 01:34:56
If you want. 01:35:01
Do you want to bring it up? 01:35:02
On the next work session too. 01:35:03
Yeah, let's just actually the next dive in more. I know we've had an at length discussion now, but if there's more you make. 01:35:05
Progress with how the proposal, any of that stuff, we can just bring it up on Tuesday. 01:35:10
Happy to do that as well so. 01:35:15
Would that give you enough time to kind of? 01:35:16
Circle back the wagons and. 01:35:18
Yeah. And OK, so kind of what we're talking about. 01:35:20
Smaller districts. 01:35:23
Potentially having Civic Council members over specific districts. 01:35:25
And then flow up to the mayor. 01:35:30
I'm happy to take a district. 01:35:32
If you want to put me on, are you guys still thinking about doing? 01:35:34
Pointed or used to feedback on that. What's a thought? You can draw the best practice. Like Holden was saying, you need to have 01:35:37
somebody who actually wants to do this. Yeah. So I think it's probably a best practice to seek volunteers or nominations if you 01:35:42
get multiple volunteers in the neighborhood then. 01:35:48
Do the signature thing. 01:35:54
Collects the. 01:35:56
Who's going to be most supported? 01:35:57
OK, awesome. 01:35:59
OK, so Mayor, I move that we continue this item to the next work session. 01:36:01
And next week? 01:36:05
OK, I've got a motion I'll second. 01:36:07
What's the what's a comment just on the the backup documentation there? 01:36:11
I would love for that to kind of align more with what we talked about South this talked about. 01:36:15
Having like all these members be on this Commission and they elect a chair, a vice chair, a secretary and. 01:36:19
And all of these members are getting together. 01:36:25
More frequently and. 01:36:27
Kind of working together more rather than. 01:36:29
Focusing more on their neighborhood issues so. 01:36:31
Are you advocating for that as the structure? 01:36:33
Look at the. 01:36:36
Hold on. We got, we got a motion the backup documents on the agenda right now kind of have a more. 01:36:37
My Commission structure and I. 01:36:43
Not anything like I want each neighborhood to just have their representatives and. 01:36:45
And focus on the neighborhood issues and then they can all meet together like once it's a year or something like that just so we 01:36:49
can. 01:36:51
Continue. But that's that's the whole. 01:36:54
I just want to make sure that. 01:36:56
OK. 01:36:58
Changed in the back of documents. 01:36:59
Awesome. Thanks. 01:37:01
Did you second the motion, Ezra? 01:37:02
I did, yes. OK. 01:37:05
All in favor. 01:37:07
Aye. 01:37:08
OK, awesome. And. 01:37:09
Sorry, are we continuing that to our next? 01:37:11
Council work to be done. A budget retreat this week. Where is that still? 01:37:14
Next working. 01:37:18
Next working session next week as I said. 01:37:19
Yeah, next week. OK. 01:37:22
Thanks. 01:37:25
OK, let's jump down to the discussion of the towing. 01:37:26
Amendments. 01:37:29
I'll turn that back again to. 01:37:31
To Councilman Wood. 01:37:33
I appreciate it. 01:37:34
Well, since Jessie's not here and we're doing a. 01:37:36
Ordinance change. I'd like to move this to the next City Council. You want to make a couple comments? 01:37:38
So it's pretty. 01:37:44
Most people were aware that I. 01:37:46
Ran on parking. I was like my #1 issue. So the only thing I ran on just parking parking parking right? 01:37:48
And this has been an interesting week. I've got a lot of. 01:37:53
A lot of phone calls, a lot of angry calls from the towing companies and their lobbyists and. 01:37:56
I've been disappointed with some misinformation that's gone out that. 01:38:02
This will affect Bridgeport or other areas. 01:38:06
This is specifically rated towards private. 01:38:08
Property so. 01:38:11
Areas of a parking pass. Overnight parking pass. 01:38:12
This change not affect that area at all. 01:38:15
So what we're looking at? 01:38:18
Is basically a 24 hour warning. 01:38:19
For. 01:38:21
Minor credential issues. So you lose a parking pass. You park temporarily in front of your apartment to run and grab something. 01:38:22
You don't get towed and charged. 01:38:26
Hundreds of dollars, which is happening. 01:38:30
So I worked with the city attorney. 01:38:32
On it very. 01:38:35
For a while to make sure the language is correct. 01:38:36
And yeah, I've just been disappointed about. 01:38:39
Having the touring companies ****** *** amendment. 01:38:42
That's fine. I'm fine if I don't. 01:38:44
Got elected to fight him. 01:38:46
But the misinformation. 01:38:48
You know, as we made a statement about. 01:38:50
How this is going to remove parking restrictions and? 01:38:52
Certain neighborhoods, it's not true. This is this is private. 01:38:54
Towing only. This is not affecting public roads at all, so. 01:38:57
Disappointed in that. 01:39:00
But saying but that said. 01:39:02
I'd like to move this to. 01:39:04
The. 01:39:05
March 10th. 01:39:06
To have Jesse. 01:39:07
Here such as it can. 01:39:08
Answer any questions that the rest of the City Council has as it relates to this. 01:39:10
Order this change. So can I get a second on that? 01:39:13
2nd. 01:39:16
Appreciate it. 01:39:17
I'd like to make a. 01:39:18
Comment just to respond to. 01:39:20
What you say let's. 01:39:21
Let's let's. 01:39:24
So we had a second can I all? We'll come back to you as soon as we. 01:39:26
Get this off the table. 01:39:30
All in favor, aye? 01:39:32
All right, OK. Any opposed? 01:39:34
Aye, OK, awesome. 01:39:37
Go ahead, Ezra. 01:39:38
OK. I think, I think that is good that we kind of move this together with some of the parking changes as well that we're. 01:39:40
On the 24th. 01:39:45
March 10th. 01:39:47
I don't see in the language, so maybe. 01:39:49
Maybe that's my fault for just reading the document and not. 01:39:52
Hearing what your intent is here. 01:39:55
But all the. 01:39:57
The language that you're talking about. 01:40:00
It applies citywide like this is. No, it's only for private. It's only for private. I'm sorry you didn't read it Correct, it's 01:40:03
only for private. 01:40:06
I wish you would have called the city of China. 01:40:11
We don't regulate. 01:40:14
Private roads. 01:40:15
We set the rules and regulations for what is towable. 01:40:16
So I'm postponing this because I want the city attorney to be here to answer your questions, but so if you want to argue 01:40:20
legalities. 01:40:22
Let's do it when I see attorneys here. 01:40:25
Thank you. 01:40:27
OK. 01:40:28
No, I'm fine with that. Like. 01:40:30
I think. 01:40:32
That would be good to have. 01:40:33
And read this in the context of things I just the way I read it. 01:40:35
It literally says that this. 01:40:38
Would affect things. It would not be allowed to tow or boot. 01:40:40
Or permit and we use the private companies to effectuate that with our parking program. Well, so do private and so. 01:40:44
Effectively, and I'm not saying that this was your intent, but effectively. 01:40:50
This. 01:40:54
Would not allow any enforcement overnight. 01:40:55
Because you have to get the 24 hour notice. 01:40:59
You wouldn't be able to do anything in those 24 hours. And all these people that are parking on the streets overnight. No, Ezra, 01:41:02
that sounds terrible. But guess what? This, this, this resolution doesn't do that. So it's a great thing that this has been 01:41:07
continued. Yep. To the next meeting. We can talk about it in the next meeting. Thanks, guys. 01:41:12
OK, all righty, we are going to jump down to 7.3. 01:41:17
OK. Thank you. 01:41:23
Thank you. 01:41:24
We're in 7.3. Let's jump down to 7.3 Utah Lakeshore Line trail amenities. I'm going to turn this over to Brian. 01:41:29
To present on this SO. 01:41:38
Come on up, Sir. 01:41:41
Yeah. 01:41:48
So maybe just while I'm pulling this up, I'll give you. 01:41:55
A little bit of background on this. 01:41:58
Um, so we got a grant from the Utah Outdoor. 01:42:00
Recreation grant organization. 01:42:06
Install benches, bike repair stations and bike racks along the Utah Lake Shoreline Trail. 01:42:09
And they are the same organization that we would potentially get a skate park grant from. And so we'd love to continue to make 01:42:15
progress on this project just so that they know that that project is is closer to fruition. 01:42:23
And so essentially with this. 01:42:31
We have $18,000 budgeted currently in the Vineyard City capital presentation. It's yeah, sorry, it's still trying to load. 01:42:36
Let's see. 01:42:48
I don't know what's going on. 01:42:58
OK. 01:43:06
Yeah. So give it just a minute. I'll give a little bit more background just while it's loading up. 01:43:09
But yeah, so we have $18,000 in the budget. 01:43:13
And I just want to verify that this is still a. 01:43:16
Priority with the new council and mayor to move forward with this project. We got a it's a 5050 match so essentially we got about 01:43:20
$18,000 from. 01:43:25
You org and we would just need to. 01:43:30
Fulfill our portion as well of that 18,000. 01:43:33
Is that money already allocated in our current budget? 01:43:36
Correct. And it's really 9:00 and 9:00 then or 18 and 18. 01:43:39
18 and 18, OK. 01:43:42
So with that. 01:43:45
We would essentially. 01:43:50
Install. 01:43:52
2 bike repair stations. 01:43:54
7 bike racks. 01:43:57
And 12 benches. 01:43:59
And they're strategically placed so that it's about every quarter mile. 01:44:01
Starting at Vineyard Beach going South, we would have a bench. 01:44:06
Could you say what those amenities are again and the quantity of each? 01:44:11
Yes. 01:44:14
Benches. 01:44:15
There's 12 of them. 01:44:16
Bike racks. There's seven. 01:44:19
And bike repair stations. There's two. 01:44:22
And that costs $36,000. 01:44:27
Correct. 01:44:29
This is witchcraft. 01:44:33
Please continue. Are these OK? 01:44:38
So you swanky benches. 01:44:40
So let me let me just pull this up and show you. 01:44:44
When you say bike repair station. 01:44:48
What would that include? I was pulling that up. 01:44:51
How much are the? 01:44:53
How much of those little grates? 01:44:54
A little 88 grades that you walk across that have the. 01:44:56
The you know. 01:45:00
At intersections. 01:45:02
Have those little. 01:45:04
So that people can know that. 01:45:05
They're approaching her up. 01:45:07
Sorry, I don't know how much less cost. 01:45:12
When I heard how much those gossip, it's relevant, but what I heard and what's those costs that I was like. 01:45:14
Holy cow, the things that we have to do to. 01:45:19
Maintain the compliance. Do we get competitive bids for this stuff? 01:45:22
Geez, man, Yeah, so. 01:45:27
Let me just go over this really quick. So benches, this essentially is what the bench would look like. This comes from Smith 01:45:29
Steelworks. 01:45:33
I got a number of quotes that I can show you. 01:45:37
I don't know why this is not working you guys, I'm so sorry. 01:45:46
You're fine. Will those be anchored? And Brian, please know that this is not an outburst towards the plan or you or the 01:45:49
presentation. This is just like, holy crap, man, I can. 01:45:53
Come up with 30 freaking benches for 32 grand. 01:45:58
Yeah, so. 01:46:02
Yeah, essentially there's a lot of different options that we looked into so. 01:46:05
The one that we. 01:46:10
Recommend and this went through arch Commission and active transportation committee. 01:46:12
I feel like they gave a lot of great feedback. This essentially is what the benches will look like. 01:46:17
This is a really popular bench that other cities use all across the county. It would allow us to have an engraved Vineyard logo in 01:46:21
there. 01:46:25
If you want to overview on cost, this essentially is. 01:46:32
Basically what it looks like. 01:46:35
Would you e-mail me this? 01:46:38
Sure. Thank you. 01:46:39
It's in the council packet. 01:46:41
Oh my packet cuts off after that emails. 01:46:43
Could you send the entire City Council? 01:46:50
Please yeah so this is all in the agenda but I I can e-mail it separately I did I went through the agenda I didn't see it so OK. 01:46:52
Thank you. 01:46:59
So. 01:47:03
Yeah, I got a number of quotes from various different companies and. 01:47:06
Felt like that was just the best option. 01:47:10
I will I will say this so. 01:47:14
I purchase a lot of benches in my private, well I should say my professional life. 01:47:16
And, umm. 01:47:21
Not to dissuade or. 01:47:22
This is your guys's decision. We'll do whatever. 01:47:24
But Smith still worked these guys generally the most. 01:47:27
Cost competitive. 01:47:30
And when you weigh in? 01:47:32
The longevity of the bench because what the last thing? 01:47:33
If we. 01:47:36
This is something we. 01:47:37
Want we don't want it to break in six months and. 01:47:38
These things are. 01:47:42
So let me ask you this in your professional opinion. 01:47:43
Do you think the city gets charged differently or more exorbitantly? I'm actually kind of frustrated. I'm I'm going to call Smith 01:47:46
Steelwork in the morning and show them this and say get my price down. 01:47:52
So I think that that answered the question very well. 01:47:58
So the more that I get involved in some of these projects where I look at the pricing. 01:48:03
It it doesn't actually seem competitive. 01:48:07
I think that there is a. 01:48:10
Precedent of charging the city more. 01:48:12
So in our efforts to curtail. 01:48:16
Waste. 01:48:20
In the budget, we should absolutely fight this stuff. 01:48:21
Anyways, I like the plan though. 01:48:26
And I think that all these things are good things to have and I don't want to miss out on the $18,000 grant. 01:48:28
I'll support it. I just think we need to do a good job of getting our money's worth on any of this stuff, especially when it comes 01:48:34
to. 01:48:37
Matching for Grant. 01:48:41
OK, everything is a good idea. So I guess my question for you is how do you want me to move forward from here? Do you want me to 01:48:45
move forward with what we're recommending? Do you have more quotes? 01:48:50
Like. 01:48:57
Yes. 01:49:01
OK. My thought is, yes, I do want you to move forward. I I think that this is a good plan. I like the amenities that are being 01:49:03
provided. I think that they're a good service to the community. 01:49:07
I think. 01:49:11
Yes, Zach, you should call them tomorrow morning and. 01:49:12
Say dude, what the heck? 01:49:15
What I'm saying is that this is a better price than what they give me. So I'm I'm frustrated that my misunderstood No, no, no, no, 01:49:17
no, I'm frustrated. So I installed these in a big, big Regional Park I just built in Highland. 01:49:23
And. 01:49:29
Six months ago. 01:49:31
They like the city more than they like Stratton Landscape Group, I'll just say that. So. 01:49:34
We'll we'll be having. That's what I'm saying. 01:49:38
I'm going to say listen. 01:49:40
OK, sorry. 01:49:43
If that wasn't clear, my next business is going to be bench manufacturing. 01:49:44
I think one thing to consider too is if you want, you know, like a. 01:49:50
A typical. 01:49:54
Wood bench, it might be cheaper, but there's a lot of maintenance that comes with that. Yeah, they bring. 01:49:56
So what a nice having something that's more sturdy, that's comfortable, yeah. 01:50:02
You get what you pay for. 01:50:06
For sure, and I like these ones too. They bolt to the ground. 01:50:07
They don't wander off Which. 01:50:11
Wouldn't you build places in Rose Park in West Jordan like I have? 01:50:13
They wander off. 01:50:17
So. 01:50:18
Anyways, umm. 01:50:21
It's what it is. And then with the wood you get the splinters from the residence and. 01:50:23
Parker, if you think they up charge us on the I'm not advocating for wood. Don't put don't put words in my mouth. 01:50:28
OK, so. 01:50:38
So Brian, do you have more to present? 01:50:40
So yeah, I can show you as much as you want. I can go through publication showing the location. Yeah. Thank you. 01:50:42
OK. 01:50:52
So let's just go to the top. 01:50:53
So this has been your beach? 01:50:56
So essentially the blue. 01:51:01
Is bike racks. 01:51:03
The Gray is benches. 01:51:05
Yellow is bike repair station. 01:51:07
So these would all. 01:51:09
Be installed on a concrete pad. 01:51:12
We would be doing this in house with our. 01:51:14
Parks and public works teams. 01:51:16
So essentially we'd have. 01:51:19
You know these concrete pads? 01:51:21
4 bike racks each bike rack. 01:51:23
Can have two bikes. 01:51:26
Let's see if we go to. 01:51:30
And then again, it's just like every quarter mile South of here we have a bench. 01:51:33
Let's see. 01:51:39
So I don't know how in detail you want me to go. This is totally fine. 01:51:49
Thank you. 01:51:53
And all of this is on the trail. 01:52:00
In the distance between the. 01:52:02
Vineyard Beach and where the trail ends on the South side before you get to like, correct? 01:52:05
Old farm. It's where you go running every morning. I don't know why you're complaining. I'm not complaining at all. Not well. You 01:52:10
don't sit when you run, Zach. 01:52:13
If you ran, you'd know that. 01:52:17
I wouldn't know that, right? 01:52:21
And then Brian, for these, are they faulted like into the cement, is that how they're installed? 01:52:24
Correct. Were they just out there? 01:52:31
Yeah, no, these will be bolted down South. People can't. 01:52:33
Walk off with them. 01:52:36
OK. And that's. 01:52:38
That price has included the installations included in that price. 01:52:39
Correct. 01:52:43
Or would we install them ourselves? 01:52:44
He said we were doing that in house. Yes, we're doing that in house, so. 01:52:45
Yeah, but you still the $36,000 total would also include the cost of. 01:52:50
Labor for our. 01:52:57
In-house teams to do that work. 01:52:58
OK, so how we feeling? 01:53:04
Citizens. 01:53:07
Let's do a quick. 01:53:08
Thumbs up, thumbs down. 01:53:09
All thumbs up. I'm seeing lots of thumbs up. I see hands up from Chip. That means he wants to make a comment. 01:53:12
Repair station. 01:53:18
At Penny Springs been broken? 01:53:20
OK. 01:53:23
They don't know that. Out of curiosity, what brakes on those bike stations and how do we make it not be bad? 01:53:25
Yeah, good question. I can verify with our parks team. 01:53:32
OK. 01:53:36
The quick common Vineyard beach is. 01:53:37
Spikes out just to then. 01:53:41
You know, or. 01:53:43
How? What's the long term picture for Vineyard Beach? 01:53:45
That's that could be a long ways out, we have no idea. 01:53:49
How long that would be so? 01:53:53
The good thing about these benches, and again, I'm not. 01:53:56
I'm actually frustrated that they charge Stratton Landscaping more than cities, but that's a whole different. 01:53:58
Issue umm. 01:54:04
They are. You can move them. 01:54:06
So you just unbolt them. 01:54:08
Then you have the price here to. 01:54:10
Put down additional cement and bolt them back in. But that's. 01:54:12
You know. 01:54:14
Not as much. 01:54:15
So, yeah, OK. 01:54:16
All right. Thank you. 01:54:19
Let's Mayor. 01:54:21
Yeah, I moved to authorize the Parks and Rec Department to move forward with the trail amenities as presented. 01:54:23
OK, kind of a second. 01:54:28
2nd. 01:54:30
OK, all in favor. 01:54:31
Aye, aye. 01:54:32
All right, awesome. 01:54:34
OK, that concludes. 01:54:36
Is that everything I think we have tonight? 01:54:38
I believe it is. 01:54:40
That concludes our City Council meeting. Thank you everybody for coming and. 01:54:43
That will wrap it up. 01:54:47
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Event transcript
All righty. 00:14:54
Where did Jacob Wood run off to? 00:14:56
Restroom Cat. 00:14:59
OK, sounds good. 00:15:02
Should go ahead and get started. Let's do that. It's 6:00. 00:15:05
OK, awesome. 00:15:09
Good evening everybody. Welcome out to Vineyard City Council this evening it is 6:00 February 24th, 2026 I'm. 00:15:11
Mayor Zach Stratton, I'd like to open up the. 00:15:19
The meeting We've got Beckham de la Cruz here this evening. 00:15:22
He is one of our great young men that lives in our in our community and he is going to be give us our opening prayer and Pledge of 00:15:26
Allegiance. So Beckham, come on up buddy, right there in the microphone and then. 00:15:31
Prayer 1st and then Pledge of Allegiance. 00:15:36
Dear honey, Father, think of her, say. 00:15:40
Thank you for. 00:15:42
This community vineyard. 00:15:44
And. 00:15:46
Please bless that those who couldn't make it. 00:15:47
Are safe and. 00:15:52
Thank you for. 00:15:55
This world that you've given us. 00:15:57
And please bless that the ones who are sick. 00:15:59
Or her will. 00:16:02
Be safe. 00:16:03
And we say they sing as a name, just Christ. Amen. 00:16:05
Amen. Thank you so much, buddy. 00:16:07
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. 00:16:16
And to the Republic for which it stands. 00:16:21
One nation under God. 00:16:23
Indivisible with liberty and justice for all. 00:16:26
Awesome. All right, Beckham. 00:16:30
You come grab a pen from Tony over here. Thank you so much. 00:16:32
All righty. A couple things we're going to do starting off is my administration is starting to take shape and we have, I'm going 00:16:36
to introduce a new interim finance director. 00:16:40
As well as the administrative director to the Office of the Mayor as well. I think that it would be good for the community to get 00:16:44
to know these guys. They're going to be hopefully an integral part as we move forward. 00:16:49
So I'm going to start out with I've got it there. 00:16:55
Some stuff here for them to start with Evan so Evan Smith. 00:16:58
He is over here, Evan. 00:17:02
Right there. 00:17:03
Behind Chris Johnson's name plaque, that little bit of a totally works. 00:17:04
A little bit about Evan He. 00:17:11
Evan brings more than 20 years of financial leadership across global corporations, nonprofit organizations, and fast. 00:17:12
Growing Private Companies has an MBA with an emphasis of accounting from Utah State University. 00:17:18
I am a Cougar fan but. 00:17:25
We can. We'll let you slide on that one. 00:17:27
And you know, bachelor degree from accounting from the University of Utah. 00:17:29
Oh, just kidding. We're giving you hard time, buddy. 00:17:34
Side Trudeau. 00:17:38
You're awesome. 00:17:42
Throughout his career, Evans LED budgeting, forecasting, audits, treasury management, financial reporting from organizations 00:17:43
running from startups a Fortune 500 companies. 00:17:47
Successfully strengthened internal controls, improved reporting tidelines, timelines, implemented ERP systems and worked closely 00:17:50
with executive teams and boards. 00:17:54
To ensure financial clarity and accountability, his experience, integrity, and study leadership will be. 00:17:58
Will help ensure strong financial stewardship and transparency Vineyard during this transitional period. 00:18:03
So welcome, help us. 00:18:09
Please join us and welcome Evan. 00:18:11
To the city of Vineyard, thank you, Evan. 00:18:13
We are super excited to have you. So kind of just so council can know in the public as well, this is an appointed position. So 00:18:17
right now he's serving as the interim finance director and. 00:18:21
Hopefully through our. 00:18:26
The next 30 days, we like each other. 00:18:28
But we are so excited to have you. We we had a committee that we had to. 00:18:31
Ton of applicants. 00:18:34
Went through a bunch of them and real. 00:18:36
The committee felt really. 00:18:39
About Evan. 00:18:42
The next person we're going to talk about here is David Kyle. 00:18:43
He is the administrative director in the office of the mayor. With the change in the the form of government and the mayor's 00:18:46
responsibilities now being more administrative and less legislative, where I really don't have a vote on anything. 00:18:51
Coupled with this is a part-time role. 00:18:57
Most days it's not, but it's. 00:19:00
Technically supposed to be part time. 00:19:02
We, I've I've asked David, David Kyle to join us so. 00:19:05
I'll kind of read about David Kyle here. 00:19:09
David Kyle Herring joins the Vineyard City with more 25 with more than 25 years of experience in public affairs, communication, 00:19:12
project management. 00:19:15
Organizational and organizational leadership Throughout David's career, he's helped. 00:19:20
Worked with cities, nonprofits and elected officials helping. 00:19:23
Organizations communicate clearly, execute complex projects, and serve. 00:19:27
Their communities. 00:19:31
Most recently, David has worked as a government relations. 00:19:32
And in public communications, helping lead successful legislative efforts manage public. 00:19:35
Entities and initiatives and support executive leadership with strategic planning data operations. 00:19:39
He served on the as a campaign consultant with US Congressman Mike Kennedy. 00:19:45
Who? 00:19:50
Was a very strong recommendation. 00:19:51
As vice president of. 00:19:54
Public and Government relations and integrated water management and is the director of nonprofit Drug Safe Utah. 00:19:55
David's role with the Vineyard is focused on supporting the Mayors office, strengthening internal coordination, improving 00:20:02
communication with residents, and helping teams succeed in delivering great service to the community. 00:20:06
He believed strongly in collaboration, transparency, accountability. 00:20:11
Fall through and committed to help. 00:20:14
To being a helpful and responsive resource to staff across all departments. 00:20:17
Outside of work, David enjoys Ben Thomas's family, lifting weights, skiing, horseback riding. 00:20:22
And values staying active and outdoors whenever possible. Most importantly, he's deeply committed to his faith. 00:20:27
Family and his love of country. 00:20:31
He and his family live in Utah County and he's grateful to. 00:20:33
I'm grateful for the opportunity to serve vendor community and work alongside such a dedicated team. 00:20:37
So let's also welcome David Kyle Herring. 00:20:41
Awesome. 00:20:46
So sure appreciate these two gentlemen. If any of you in the in the in the audience want to meet them, shake their hand, get to 00:20:48
know them. They're great guys. Super. 00:20:51
Super responsive and I'm I'm really excited. It's kind of this new administration takes shape. 00:20:56
Welcome with the team. 00:21:00
So. 00:21:02
Are righty from there. 00:21:03
Let's go through here. 00:21:06
We are going to jump into the work session. 00:21:08
Let's do this. Should we do public comments first? 00:21:11
Let's do that. Let's do public comments first. 00:21:14
We have the sign up sheet over here. 00:21:18
Can we snag that real quick? Tell him we'll jump into public comments. 00:21:21
And then we'll go into the work session. 00:21:25
Thank you, Sir. 00:21:28
All righty. 00:21:35
First on we've got Clint Black. 00:21:37
Come on down, Clint. 00:21:40
I'll wait, I'll wait. 00:21:43
OK. Do you want to go last or? 00:21:46
We're doing public comments right now. 00:21:48
Okay, you okay? Okay, awesome. All right. 00:21:50
Cornelius is Kim, Karen. 00:21:54
I just have that. 00:21:56
Come on down. 00:21:57
Is OK. Kim is pointing at Karen. 00:21:58
First of all. 00:22:09
Karen Cornelius Villas. 00:22:10
Thanks guys. 00:22:12
I don't think this has been an easy undertaking. 00:22:14
And, umm. 00:22:16
I pray for you, I honestly do. 00:22:17
A few weeks ago. 00:22:21
On the agenda, we talked about coming up with the community evacuation plan. 00:22:22
And I know that you're swamped. 00:22:28
But if we can. 00:22:30
Somehow. 00:22:31
Move forward with that in some way and involve as many citizens as possible. 00:22:33
I think it's probably pretty well no. I believe it's very important. 00:22:38
As we grow and as our traffic grows. 00:22:42
I think it's essential that we figure out. 00:22:45
How we can move the masses should we ever need to. 00:22:47
So that's all. Thanks. OK. 00:22:50
Thank you so much. 00:22:52
Awesome, Karen. 00:22:53
Already I've got Eric Magleby. 00:22:54
On here as well, Eric. 00:22:57
OK, I'm here, but I wasn't. 00:23:01
Oh. 00:23:04
Just here. OK, No worries. 00:23:05
No worries, no worries. 00:23:08
Did anyone else want to have public comments? 00:23:12
Of course, I'm pretty sure OK. 00:23:15
Awesome. 00:23:18
We will jump now to the Let's jump into the work session. Did we get any online? 00:23:20
Yes, I don't get any online comments as well. 00:23:27
Yep. So we got those. How do we, what do we decide on handling those, Tony? How do we want to handle those? 00:23:29
So there there was quite a few. 00:23:34
Normally if there's one or two, I have no problem reading them into the into the record. 00:23:36
But I recognize you guys probably wouldn't want me to just keep. 00:23:41
Hogging the mic and reading all night. And so instead what we did was we went ahead and printed them out. 00:23:43
At least everything that I got before 5:00. 00:23:50
To provide for you guys and then I'm going to just package them all together and attach them to the agenda packet so that. 00:23:53
The public can read them at their leisure. 00:24:00
OK, awesome. 00:24:02
Thank you, Sir. 00:24:03
OK, they're all kind of. 00:24:05
Similar and. 00:24:07
Yeah, there we have. There's a couple topics. There's some. 00:24:09
Towing, we've got some. Towing, we've got some. 00:24:14
Actually, I think they're. 00:24:17
Majority on. 00:24:18
The towing. 00:24:20
Let's see. Yeah, that's kind of the. 00:24:22
The topic SO. 00:24:25
OK, all righty. Let's jump now to the work session discussion of. 00:24:27
OK. 00:24:35
I've been here for two years and I've never seen. I know. 00:24:38
One individual did online. 00:24:41
Submitting of answers. 00:24:43
It's kind of new to me, I. 00:24:45
I I think in the future, citizens need to have that expectation. Are we going to? 00:24:46
Read those if they do because I thought the expectation is is that they come to the meeting just like we come to the meeting in 00:24:51
the future. 00:24:55
Just so the expectation. 00:24:58
Yeah. I think that that's a great point. I think that. 00:25:01
I'm fine receiving. 00:25:04
I want and welcome any public. 00:25:05
Input. 00:25:07
Any way form we can get it? 00:25:08
I think that that's good for the for the elected officials to get. 00:25:10
But I. 00:25:13
Obviously I'd prefer. 00:25:14
Here, but I understand that there's limitations, time, space and distance and so forth. So. 00:25:16
That's kind of what I that's where I'm at so. 00:25:23
OK. Yeah, I think. 00:25:25
I was gonna say, I think that how we're handling it now, the same way like included in the meeting, you know? 00:25:27
Give it to us to read. 00:25:33
Which is fantastic. 00:25:36
And if it's like, hey, I want it read like have them come to that way that would. I just want to set expectations so it's like 00:25:38
they were not listening. 00:25:41
But if but if it's like, hey, we just submitted online, do you know how many Facebook comments we would get? 00:25:45
And read them off and be there all night, you know? Yeah, for sure. 00:25:51
OK. Appreciate that. 00:25:55
All righty, let's move into the work session now. Discussion. Can you e-mail those to me as well? 00:25:56
Sorry, I know you've got those printed copies. 00:26:01
I'd love to be able to just kind of see the. 00:26:03
The nature of them as well. 00:26:05
Tony says he will. 00:26:08
Thank you. 00:26:09
Awesome. 00:26:10
Are you guys able to Harris pretty well, Ezra and Jake? 00:26:11
Yeah, when you're talking to the microphones, they can. OK, it's a little delayed, so sorry if it seems like I'm interrupting you 00:26:17
all the time. 00:26:19
No, you're fine. Just a little bit delayed, but I can hear you. 00:26:23
OK, great. 00:26:26
All righty, let's. 00:26:27
Moving to the work session discussion on 400 S development. So I'm going to turn over the. 00:26:29
This to Councilmember Larae. 00:26:33
And Jake Hold. 00:26:35
We're going to start with the Councilman, Larry, to kind of kick this off and and talk about. 00:26:37
Of that that war this. 00:26:42
This item. Thank you. Yeah. 00:26:45
The issue here is that we've got sort of a. 00:26:47
A stoppage in our process because of all the interruption with the personnel changes and so forth. 00:26:50
We've not been able to proceed with moving forward on a. 00:26:56
On with the 400, well it's the hold away fields development. 00:27:00
And I think. 00:27:05
We've got. 00:27:06
Mr. Bybee is here, I think. 00:27:07
Did you want to say a few things about it and describe it? 00:27:09
Please. 00:27:12
Please do. 00:27:13
Looking sharp tonight. By the way, brother, I dressed up just for you guys. 00:27:16
So Ryan, baby, hold away. Fill the development with Cadence Homes. 00:27:22
Let's see so we have a red lined. 00:27:27
Amended development agreement in the hands of staff. 00:27:30
And it has been before a Planning Commission. 00:27:33
Work session. 00:27:35
What we have asked for is 2 things. Well, there's a couple of things, but there's kind of two. 00:27:37
Two different things to discuss here is. First is. 00:27:42
We would like to amend the development agreement that gives us some flexibility to be able to manage the phases on our own. 00:27:45
Without having to seek city and staff approval every time we want to change a minor thing. 00:27:50
We realized that the thing that matters most of the city and to staff has been. 00:27:55
Getting the north-south connection of roads made and the four S connection made. 00:27:59
And then secondly to get parks delivered. 00:28:04
According to certificate of occupancies in our amendment to this to the development agreement, we. 00:28:06
We are proposing to swap parks. 00:28:12
But not change when they're delivered. 00:28:14
We just think it makes sense to have the East park come in first. That's where the houses are being built around as opposed to the 00:28:16
park out by the lake. 00:28:20
Where there are no houses. 00:28:23
And so, but they still are. They're both similar in size. They both are amenitized. 00:28:25
And they would get delivered to the city at the same time. 00:28:29
As was originally agreed on in the agreement, the only differences were just swapping the order. 00:28:32
OK, so that's. 00:28:36
So that's kind of what we're asking is flexibility on zoning. 00:28:38
And swapping the parks. 00:28:41
The second issue is 4 S in the In the original negotiation of the project, there was right of ways determined. 00:28:43
At the time we had pushed back on the sides of the right of ways. We did a traffic study that said hey. 00:28:50
Does 4 S really need to be as wide as you guys, staff or the city is wanting it to be? 00:28:55
Our our traffic kind of impact studies said no, they don't need to be. But at the end of the day, it's it's. 00:29:01
You guys have to decide what you want them to be, so the right of way is as you've seen them in the plans. There has been some 00:29:07
community feedback. 00:29:10
From residents in the area saying hey, do we want 4 S to be? 00:29:14
As wide as the right of way, as it's identified in the current development agreement and in the current development plan, and 00:29:18
that's where we stand today. 00:29:22
Is. 00:29:26
Is we need to know if it's going to stay as it is, or if there's discussion open to being able to narrow it down? 00:29:27
And not have 4 S become. 00:29:33
In a major thoroughfare on the. 00:29:37
On the South side of town. 00:29:39
And so. 00:29:41
We have a plat that's ready to record, that gets us. 00:29:42
The next phase of lots, we're desperate to start building houses we have. 00:29:45
Four of those lots. 00:29:49
Sold with homes waiting to be built on them. But we can't start those homes until we record the plat and make. 00:29:51
Make parcel numbers for those lots. 00:29:56
If we record the plot as it is now, then the right of way goes wide. 00:29:58
And my proposal has been let's pull 4 S off of this plat. 00:30:02
Allow everybody to kind of have their input and discussion. 00:30:06
And then allow us to move forward without 4 S there. 00:30:09
And then when you guys decide or we all decide what we're going to do on 4 S then. 00:30:13
We dedicated the city and we build it and we go. 00:30:18
So that's kind of my proposal. 00:30:21
The hiccup in that proposal is the development agreement has the dedication of 4 S tied to. 00:30:23
Phase two, which is what we're. 00:30:29
Talking about right now. So we would have to break it out of Phase 2. 00:30:31
But again, we're happy to. 00:30:35
Give the city any kind of security. In fact, it's written in the development agreement that if we haven't dedicated it by a 00:30:38
certain amount of time, we have to dedicate it anyways. So we're happy to put even a deed in escrow to say hey. 00:30:43
You're not going to lose the right of way. We just don't know what you want us to build or what you want us to give you. 00:30:48
So those are the main issues. 00:30:54
Development agreement amendment which we would really like to get moving forward and what do we do with the plat that's currently 00:30:55
there and how do we, how do we? 00:30:59
Not hold us up while you guys decide, while we all decide what we're going to do at 4 S. 00:31:02
Awesome. Thank you. That's really cool. 00:31:07
We have staff that want to speak to that as well. 00:31:09
Naseem, can you? Does that fit with what your understanding of things? 00:31:12
Excuse me so. 00:31:17
I wasn't really, I wasn't really prepared to talk specifically about the development agreement. Development agreement I believe 00:31:18
was given to the state attorney to review. 00:31:22
To provide comments back in regards to some of the points, I know that. 00:31:26
With a traffic study for the development, the traffic impact study that is done for developments is development specific. 00:31:30
Not doesn't include the surrounding developments like the tie insurance surrounding developments. 00:31:38
The developer is correct. 00:31:43
In order for the impact that they do on their particular development, this requires a. 00:31:44
Residential type roads for their connection. 00:31:49
Our transportation master plan does have that as designated as a. 00:31:53
See it does have that designated as a wider Rd. for arterial. 00:31:58
Arterial collector type rows. 00:32:02
To move for traffic, I think it kind of compliments what was the comment that was. 00:32:04
Said earlier by a resident. 00:32:09
Miss Karen Cornelius about the evacuation. 00:32:11
Map neighborhood evacuation map to ensure that. 00:32:14
Roads provide for a safe. 00:32:17
And accessible thoroughfare. 00:32:20
Outward for for residents and. 00:32:22
Providing for providing for those right of ways is important. 00:32:24
And then of course, I know that in the development agreement there is a betterment portion of that. 00:32:28
Which is very common for municipalities, local governments, cities, whatever. 00:32:32
To enter in here with developers to say. 00:32:36
Yes, you're at the impact for this particular development is. 00:32:38
However, the city or the municipality requires. 00:32:41
X + 4 plus. 00:32:45
And then the municipality, those go into an agreement with the developer. 00:32:47
For that and. 00:32:52
That those types of agreements. 00:32:54
Are unique to each development agreement. I know that for a fact that the. 00:32:55
When we had a discussion with the developer. 00:32:59
For this develop. 00:33:02
At the very beginning part of this development agreement that we did have discussions in terms of that development agreement and 00:33:04
the betterments for. 00:33:08
For that railway. 00:33:12
Specifically. 00:33:14
So I have not. 00:33:15
Been given, we have, excuse me, we have not been given any alternative. 00:33:17
Justifications from the developer. 00:33:22
So as part of the development, the development agreement. 00:33:24
Submit all that this developer has provided. 00:33:27
That the developer chooses to provide that to staff staff. 00:33:29
We'll review that and. 00:33:33
Presented forward. 00:33:35
Would you have any objection to separating the 4th? So that would be a development agreement portion of it that would be done 00:33:37
through City Council, right? 00:33:41
But from the sit from. 00:33:47
Technically, there's not really an issue with that, is there? 00:33:48
Through all, it comes down to the accessibility of the lots. So the building official will actually. 00:33:50
Be able to provide. 00:33:56
The determination along with the fire department in terms of being able to provide emergency services and access to those houses 00:33:58
are. 00:34:01
Plan being built. 00:34:04
That that falls underneath their jurisdiction for the termination. 00:34:06
So in terms of the roadway wise, I know that the construction is moving forward with infrastructure. 00:34:09
Being placed into the ground. 00:34:16
And the city does have. 00:34:18
Excuse me does have a completed design. 00:34:20
For that portion of it with funds. 00:34:22
Set aside to move forward. 00:34:25
On that. So I mean in terms of timing, I think this city in itself has. 00:34:28
Pretty much all the ducks are. 00:34:34
Most of the information or most of it, what it needs to move forward on that. 00:34:36
It's really up to council to determine. 00:34:40
What they choose to do and how they choose to handle it. 00:34:42
But I said I cannot give it. I cannot say, yes, I'm comfortable with it and no, I'm not comfortable with it. 00:34:45
Because at the end of the day is City Council who determines. 00:34:50
How the timing? 00:34:53
They want to make it work. I can't say that. 00:34:54
The connection for that road is. 00:34:58
Been imperative priority for the city. 00:35:00
To make the. 00:35:03
To provide the. 00:35:04
Egress and ingress in and out of the city. 00:35:06
Along those to help lay. 00:35:10
Relief traffic off Center St. 00:35:12
And Mill Rd. specifically. 00:35:14
As well as 800 N. 00:35:16
I know I live on hold. 00:35:19
And we've been promised for the last 10 years. 00:35:21
That as soon as. 00:35:23
You know that our Rd. is a little narrow. 00:35:24
Country Rd. was designed to be that. 00:35:27
And then that's been handling all the traffic. 00:35:29
That will be handled by this road. 00:35:32
And so we're hoping that. 00:35:35
Could be taken care of and go back to being a neighborhood Rd. 00:35:36
I mean, so that's something we have promised and hope that can happen. 00:35:40
Is there anyone from that can represent planning tonight? I don't see anyone here from planning department. 00:35:42
They were not available tonight. 00:35:47
Guys before I. 00:35:50
Board my plane and I apologize, I'm not going to be here. I just want to. 00:35:51
Be able to make a comment if that's OK. 00:35:55
Go. Can you guys hear me? Yes, go ahead. 00:35:58
I have no objection. 00:36:03
To separating it. 00:36:05
I have. I cannot tell you how many complaints. 00:36:08
From the Ashley Acres and Sleepy Ridge community. 00:36:11
About going to the and I understand that. 00:36:15
Previous administration when the Cadence home development was approved. 00:36:18
They changed the master plan and widened out and made a very wide. 00:36:23
We're not changing any traffic pattern. 00:36:29
The consistency of two roads, but we are making it safe. Since that time we've had a. 00:36:32
We've had two near deaths. 00:36:38
And the community not changing the capacity of the road. 00:36:40
What we're asking for is to take some time, separate it, allow cadence. 00:36:44
To move forward with their plots. 00:36:48
I am a little bit disappointed about how hard it's been to hold a meeting with. 00:36:51
Planning to get on the same page. 00:36:55
But I think we can't hold up, Mr. Kaden, the Cadence home development because of that. 00:36:59
And give us some time to. 00:37:05
Make sure that we have a safe community. 00:37:08
But at all same time, we're not going to be restricting. 00:37:11
The capacity of the road. 00:37:14
And I support that so. 00:37:16
Just wanted to make sure that was clear. 00:37:18
Thank you. 00:37:20
So as I understand it, the issue is on the agenda for the next Planning Commission meeting, is that correct? 00:37:21
Do we know? 00:37:26
It is OK. 00:37:27
And this is a working session tonight, so we can't take any action other than just sort of give a sense of. 00:37:29
How we feel about it, and it sounds like this, is that everyone seems to be agreed this is a good idea. 00:37:34
To separate out. 00:37:39
The delivery of the road. 00:37:40
Go ahead. 00:37:42
Go ahead, Nura, my thoughts. 00:37:43
I don't believe in Rd. diets generally I. 00:37:46
I know that. 00:37:50
Sometimes in planning it's. 00:37:51
We can do these traffic calming things, but in our city where we are growing. 00:37:53
So fast. I think it's really important that we. 00:37:56
Have. 00:37:59
The roads and sidewalks that we need that that plan for that future growth and. 00:38:00
Also hold the developer to their original commitments. 00:38:04
I know this has been through through a few. 00:38:08
Public meetings and talking about. 00:38:10
The needs of having. 00:38:13
This thoroughfare and matching the intersection on both sides. 00:38:15
I think having. 00:38:19
The sidewalks there are important as we. 00:38:20
Have you know different options for people to come along the road? One of the biggest? 00:38:24
Issues I feel like we have currently on hold away road for example is. 00:38:28
We don't have complete sidewalks and curb and gutter and those standard issues that kind of prevent. 00:38:33
Cars from. 00:38:38
Just veering off the road and. 00:38:39
Going right into the same level as the pedestrians are parked. 00:38:40
That's a legacy road and it was planned to be that way. 00:38:44
Prevent. 00:38:47
Yeah, I think if we, if we. 00:38:49
Just move in a direction where we. 00:38:50
We kind of shortchanged our developer obligations on the front end and. 00:38:52
And gave a. 00:38:56
Give them basically more time to. 00:38:58
To reduce those. 00:39:01
I think that one's an issue for me. So that's just kind of where I stand on that one. The parks, I'm OK with swapping the. 00:39:03
The phasing on the parts to make more sense, but. 00:39:10
400 SI think that's that's a very important thoroughfare for. 00:39:14
A lot of people and. 00:39:17
When we have the, we've had multiple areas on that road where we have. 00:39:18
A different plan on the South side. 00:39:22
The Northside. 00:39:24
I think it's better to just have a continuous right away. 00:39:25
Through that area so. 00:39:29
Lanes aren't merging down and getting smaller and widening. 00:39:31
So anyway, that's that's why. 00:39:35
Voice my opposition to that. I hate to just maintain that, continued Ezra. Did you look at the proposed plan from the last work 00:39:38
session on this, that? 00:39:41
Councilmember Larae shared. 00:39:45
Yeah, I looked at that and compared it with the the designs that we've already done as well. 00:39:49
So it looks like and. 00:39:55
Forgive me if I'm wrong here. 00:39:56
Where it shrinks down, it basically takes away the sidewalk and the curb. 00:39:58
And still has two traveling lanes. 00:40:03
And that direction, but I think if we. 00:40:06
Maintain the pavement at the current width. That just gives us the flexibility to do. 00:40:09
Whatever it is we need to do. 00:40:13
And. 00:40:14
The plan does do that. 00:40:16
In and Vineyard as well, where we. 00:40:17
Went with two lanes in each direction on the bridge that goes over Center St. 00:40:21
At the time, I had voiced my opposition to that. 00:40:25
But. 00:40:29
To save some money, save some costs. 00:40:30
We've narrowed it down and now we have this area where. 00:40:32
You have a short area where you kind of narrow the road down. 00:40:36
In this case, in the center St. case, it only goes to one lane on either side. 00:40:39
And then it expands back up. 00:40:43
I really wish at the time of planning we had just. 00:40:45
Put the full lift in the here. 00:40:48
So I don't want to. 00:40:50
Have this be another decision where we regret. 00:40:51
Not just, I think right of way that we originally planned on. I think there's a miscommunication here. Councilmember Larae, can 00:40:53
you clarify? 00:40:57
I believe in the last work session the plan that was presented keeps the road. 00:41:01
The full width, the entire length of 400 S and it would have the sidewalks and the curbing and all of that. Is that correct or? 00:41:06
Yeah, the black top portion of it stays exactly the same. It is proposed that we. 00:41:11
You make the trail on the north side from the six foot trail to a 10 foot trail. 00:41:16
And maybe not continue the sidewalk down past the roundabout, the sleepy Ridge, so that we focus all the. 00:41:21
Pedestrian and bicycle traffic. 00:41:27
Up there. 00:41:29
And it sort of separates it out a little bit and that was the proposal. 00:41:30
And that would allow for a little slightly narrower right away. 00:41:34
Overall, but the same Rd. surface. 00:41:37
Yeah, and I would also like the intersection math on both sides. 00:41:43
I would. I would also like to voice that. 00:41:48
I mean I would have some problems of how the way. 00:41:51
Mr. Mayor is describing it as if we were getting rid of the sidewalk on the side. Let's see. 00:41:54
What is proposed and I think this really is the person that. 00:42:00
Literally we can't even have a meeting. 00:42:02
You know. 00:42:08
There's been a lot of just. 00:42:11
Endorsement. It's just unfortunate and we're holding up Aiden so. 00:42:13
Yeah, we're not getting rid of sidewalks on both sides or the redesigned to make it. 00:42:17
Safe, not restrict traffic. 00:42:21
And we'd love to for that time to be able to propose that, but I don't want to look, Mr. Cadence and I got to get on the phone 00:42:24
right now, but I was farming quite on that. 00:42:28
I don't, I don't think what Mr. Nair is. 00:42:32
Describing is what we're presenting and. 00:42:34
But I apologize. 00:42:36
We haven't been able to present it either and that's frustrating so. 00:42:38
Look, and I say that can we do this? Can we, can we ask the Planning Commission to expedite this? 00:42:42
As fast as possible. 00:42:48
That their next meeting they'll devote to. 00:42:49
Time to this and make sure it's really discussed. 00:42:51
And in the meantime, we can have planning, get together with the engineering and so forth and review the plans that we have. 00:42:54
And. 00:42:59
Come up with something really quickly and I. 00:43:01
We have a work session next week. Can we have planning? Be prepared to present next week. 00:43:04
This is a public works and I'll speak on behalf of planning so the. 00:43:09
The the the design that was presented the last work session. 00:43:15
Is that an official design that was done by a professional engineer? Because. 00:43:20
We would need something that's done. 00:43:24
By a professional engineer I mean that looks more like a concept design without measurements and. 00:43:27
Items that we were hoping that. 00:43:32
Cadence Holmes was clearly there are issues with this that are going to take longer than a week to resolve. Sounds like so can can 00:43:33
we agree that it would be good to remove the well? 00:43:38
That section from from the plant plan right now and then delay. 00:43:42
It's and make that. 00:43:46
Phase 2A or something? 00:43:47
To be or something. 00:43:49
Where we actually that gets delivered before. 00:43:50
Phase three starts and so forth. 00:43:53
Run. We're going to say something. Can I just make 2 comments because I want to make sure Mr. Nair understands and the public that 00:43:54
might be listening is that we are not trying to get him away from any of our development obligations whether. 00:43:59
What the city decides to do on 4 S does not impact us financially one way or the other. 00:44:04
Because the city pays for the wider Rd. 00:44:11
Or they payless for the narrower Rd. It's nothing off us. We're not. We're not gaining in this at all. 00:44:13
And I would just make an observation as well that. 00:44:19
As far South as we built it, going north to South and it makes a connection to. 00:44:22
To Main Street. 00:44:27
We go from a narrower, wider right of way on Main Street to a wider right away. 00:44:28
To the roundabout and then to the church and then when we make our connection, back. 00:44:32
To 4 S. 00:44:36
It goes back to a narrower section, which was my argument in the beginning of this whole discussion back when we were developed. 00:44:38
Negotiating the development agreement is why are we? 00:44:42
Planning for just this holdaway filled section of Four South. 00:44:46
To be larger on. 00:44:50
The north flag. 00:44:51
And the east leg? 00:44:53
When they connect to roads that don't match that right of way and you're not going to go in and take people's houses. 00:44:54
Or condemn back yards to make those worldwide. I don't see you're going to do that. 00:44:59
And so the question has always been it never made sense to me. 00:45:03
We agreed to it. 00:45:06
And I'm happy to build it that way. 00:45:07
We just don't want to be in the middle of. 00:45:09
We're happy to be in the middle, I could tell you that. 00:45:11
Our engineer, if there's an idea of what. 00:45:14
Of what council members of the community wants for South. 00:45:16
I could have it drawn and designed to you by Friday. 00:45:20
It's not complicated, it's line drawings. 00:45:22
It can be, it doesn't have to be fully. 00:45:25
Profiled, engineered, but it's simple to be able to show what the right away would look like. We do have a proposal this we've 00:45:27
been circulating. 00:45:31
Can I meet with you? And sure, that was a good time to meet you tomorrow. 00:45:35
It's Wednesday. I'm. 00:45:39
Generally free, so OK. 00:45:40
David, can I see those designs too? Because maybe that's where I. 00:45:43
I know Jake mentioned I might have the wrong idea of what what is actually being proposed there. Maybe that's where my knowledge 00:45:47
gap is too is where I just haven't seen two side by side proposals. 00:45:52
The only one that I've seen. 00:45:56
Took out quite a bit of the the infrastructure that's going to. 00:45:59
Make this positive impact on the community and I would tell you from a development standpoint. 00:46:02
We would be against taking out. 00:46:08
Paths and sidewalks that make the city. 00:46:10
Connected. That's not what I've not seen what's been floating around. 00:46:12
But, but I know for certain that we want connectivity with trails and such and I think it can be accomplished with a small right 00:46:17
of way. But but. 00:46:20
It could also be accomplished the bigger one. We just got to decide. 00:46:24
So I will, I will share those with you, Ezra. I'll make sure you get them. 00:46:27
And we won't move ahead unless you've seen them and think it's good. 00:46:31
Hey, if we're not familiar. 00:46:34
Parkinson's Law dictates that work. 00:46:37
Will expands to fill the amount of time that you allow it to take. So we need to put some caps on our actions to actually move 00:46:40
this forward. I would still like to meet with the Planning Commission or the planning Department, sorry. 00:46:45
At our work session next week with what their current plan is. 00:46:52
Bring the proposal, and if you're available, I'd like you and your engineer to come see what can actually be done drawn up, 00:46:55
because we shouldn't be dragging this out longer than we need to drag this out. 00:46:59
Yeah, OK. I agree. 00:47:05
Thank you. 00:47:07
OK. So I think that's. 00:47:08
Concludes our work session. 00:47:10
OK. All right. 00:47:11
One more thing, please come up. Yes. 00:47:14
Is it OK if we submit a plat? 00:47:18
That has four S excluded that could be voted on or. How do I navigate that? 00:47:21
Because at this point there's nothing I can do that without a development agreement change. 00:47:27
So that's kind of where the. 00:47:31
I think the issue lies is. 00:47:33
We have an existing development agreement that dictates that the 4th South included. 00:47:34
You could submit a plat that has that today and and receive that approval. 00:47:39
But for us to change the development agreement, we'll have to go through. 00:47:45
A longer process I believe. 00:47:49
So and I and I can, I can appreciate that. 00:47:50
My challenge is is that this. 00:47:54
Amended Development agreement was been in the hands of Jamie Jamie Blakeslee since October of last year, has red lines and still 00:47:56
has not seen a Planning Commission. 00:48:01
Or a City Council actionable day. 00:48:06
And that's way too long for this to take place. 00:48:09
We can amend. 00:48:11
That section of the development agreement, I can do a red line adjustment and have it to the city tomorrow morning. 00:48:12
I just. 00:48:18
The iterative time it takes to review these. 00:48:19
Is not fair to us when all we're trying to do. 00:48:22
Is build your community. 00:48:25
I think we agree with that. 00:48:27
And I think that it's unfortunate that continent and a change of personnel. 00:48:28
And that sort of fell off. 00:48:32
Fell into a hole, sorry about that. 00:48:34
I really am. But I will. I will do everything I can to make sure it's absolutely. 00:48:36
Expedited as best we can. 00:48:39
And, umm. 00:48:41
And on that I definitely. 00:48:42
Feel your frustrations on amendments to development agreements. 00:48:44
I do want to recognize though the. 00:48:48
The Development agreement is a granting of explicit rights and. 00:48:50
Inability for the Council to make further changes and so I do think. 00:48:55
You know when we approach this initially. 00:48:59
Like the whole thing is kind of method. Honestly, it's. 00:49:02
Just the process of. 00:49:06
Property rights and land use and. 00:49:08
Planning and Utah can be. 00:49:10
Be challenging for sure. 00:49:13
When uh. 00:49:14
The goal is to get new developments up as fast as possible. I know your development even for additional delays on. 00:49:15
On, you know, not even being able to move forward is. 00:49:20
A referendum was going forward years ago and so there's a lot of. 00:49:24
A lot of nuances to this project for sure, but. 00:49:27
I mean. 00:49:30
I think the current plat as it stated it can go forward. 00:49:31
If you know that's your desire, you do have those rights within your. 00:49:35
Your development agreement to. 00:49:39
Produce those platters as we've already agreed to. 00:49:41
And so that's going to be the better option or the quicker option. 00:49:44
You know, that's definitely something I feel like we could look at. Yeah. And while I understand, while I understand how 00:49:49
development agreements work in Utah code works, Mr. Nair, there's also. 00:49:54
There also can be some open dialogue and discussion when things aren't working. 00:49:58
You asked us to peg, and I want this to be clear, You asked us to peg a phasing plan for a 250 lots subdivision before we even 00:50:04
built anything. 00:50:08
And we did our best to think of what that would be. 00:50:13
And we front loaded it to get the city what they wanted, which was north-south connection and the north and an east West 00:50:16
connection. 00:50:19
The cells of the subdivision, the cells of the houses in the subdivision do not match what the phasing is. We know that now. There 00:50:23
has to be flexibility built into this and that's all we're asking for. I'm not trying to change the development agreement or our 00:50:27
rights or. 00:50:31
Financially in our better and to better us, we're simply saying. 00:50:36
This should. 00:50:40
We could have built out half, we could have had a park dedicated by now, frankly, if we'd have been able to have this 00:50:41
conversation. But for the last year I met with. 00:50:45
Jamie and the staff over October of. 00:50:49
14 months ago saying hey. 00:50:53
The phasing plan is busted. 00:50:55
We need to have the flexibility. Can we do this? 00:50:57
And it's just like. 00:51:00
It's just like nobody wants to make a decision and no one can tell us what to do. 00:51:01
All I'm saying is. 00:51:05
I want to talk. 00:51:06
To somebody that's willing to raise their hand and say. 00:51:07
That makes sense or that doesn't make sense, and let's vote on it. 00:51:09
And then we'll do it. That's what I want. 00:51:13
And I'm happy to meet with. 00:51:15
Anybody at any moment, at anytime to have that conversation? 00:51:16
Thanks, Mr. Surviving. I appreciate that, David. I want to be in that. 00:51:22
I gotta take off but I want to be in that meeting and. 00:51:25
And then make sure it gets done in the next 5 days as well so I will be there. 00:51:29
Awesome. 00:51:34
Thanks and. 00:51:35
They're surviving. Just to respond to your comments, I. 00:51:36
I I appreciate. 00:51:38
The the frustrating that you have for. 00:51:40
For this whole process and working with the city, especially with. 00:51:42
With changing hands. 00:51:46
I mean had. 00:51:48
And I've been on the council when this project was initially. 00:51:49
Put together, I can tell you it would definitely look a lot different and. 00:51:52
And. 00:51:56
Potentially have some of those issues addressed on the front end itself. 00:51:57
I recognize that's a big change having a brand new council. 00:52:00
Right in the middle of this so. 00:52:03
So thank you for. 00:52:05
Your time and and. 00:52:07
All the challenging situations. 00:52:09
That you've dealt with in in this whole process, but. 00:52:11
I do appreciate the product it's being delivered the. 00:52:13
Fantastic. 00:52:16
And the neighborhood community look and feel it great and. 00:52:17
I am. I am absolutely in favor of more or. 00:52:20
More flexibility afforded on. 00:52:23
How the development is built out? I want to make that 100% clear. 00:52:26
On on the phasing and. 00:52:29
Removing any of those restrictions that I can make it easier for you guys to bring your product to the city. 00:52:31
OK, any other? 00:52:38
Comments on this before we move off of it. Do we have our marching orders? Do we get to? 00:52:40
The only thing we're doing? 00:52:44
The only Mr. Bobby is what if he can, if he can file the plat tomorrow or whatever he wants to move forward. 00:52:45
With it and we can't. Can we somehow remove the 400? 00:52:51
400 S part of that plan and then phase phase it so if. 00:52:56
A little bit differently, can we just have some flexibility with that? 00:52:59
My recommendation is we just seek. 00:53:02
Legal guidance on what we can and cannot do. 00:53:04
As it pertains to the code. 00:53:07
OK, if we're able to do that. 00:53:09
All right. Yeah, we'll look into it. So I'll report back to you on that what we find out. 00:53:13
OK. Thank you. 00:53:16
Each other's contact information you. 00:53:18
You got his number, OK. 00:53:20
Awesome, yeah. 00:53:21
OK. Thank you. 00:53:22
Ryan, anything else we get to? 00:53:23
OK, yes. 00:53:26
Yeah, yeah, if you please. Come on. 00:53:32
Would you like a? 00:53:34
I assume you want to comment. Come on up, David. 00:53:35
Yeah, please. 00:53:37
One of the things that concerns me. 00:53:43
And I want to preface this. 00:53:45
By saying state your name real quick. David Pierce, Cascade neighborhood. 00:53:48
Impact and influence. 00:53:55
And. 00:53:57
The confluence of those two. 00:53:59
Y'all have influence? 00:54:03
Direct influence on this project. 00:54:05
Most of you are not directly impacted. 00:54:10
On. 00:54:14
Any decision that's made on 4. 00:54:16
400 S. 00:54:20
But there is one council member who is. 00:54:23
And to me. 00:54:28
Having that. 00:54:29
Impact. 00:54:30
And that influence? 00:54:31
Doesn't set. 00:54:34
Quite right? 00:54:35
As far as conflict of interests are concerned. 00:54:36
So I have a real concern about that, and I believe it's a legitimate, honest concern. 00:54:40
No, thank you. 00:54:46
A chip, you want to say something as well coming up, Sir? 00:54:48
So name please? 00:54:54
Chip Price, Providence. 00:54:56
One of the things that. 00:54:58
We learned about this particular development after. 00:54:59
It had already gone through. 00:55:04
Was that there was another plan? 00:55:05
To build a freeway through that to a bunch of islands in the middle of a lake. 00:55:08
So. 00:55:13
The easements and all the things that you guys built into this, it kind of looks like. 00:55:14
They were trying to prepare for the future, for something that hadn't been approved. 00:55:18
But was in the workings. 00:55:23
This this is done after that project. 00:55:25
Was was stopped and failed correct? So this happened afterwards so. 00:55:28
Essentially. 00:55:33
I don't see the connection between the two. 00:55:35
The connection is that. 00:55:37
The easements and the size and the width of that road were kind of built so that they could. 00:55:39
Futurize this plan that was going to be this island chains. 00:55:45
Right. And so? 00:55:49
I feel bad for Cadence because they learned about it after they had signed the line. 00:55:51
You know and and. 00:55:55
I was, I was part of that group that was trying to get Cadence to not come here. And I'm very sorry about that, by the way. 00:55:57
There were so many things that we learned. 00:56:04
After this had gone through. 00:56:06
That no one in the public view. 00:56:08
Spear looked at. 00:56:11
And so I would urge that the Council try to. 00:56:12
Do the best thing. 00:56:16
And. 00:56:17
Help. 00:56:18
Not get screwed. 00:56:19
Because. 00:56:20
Previous council had made decisions. 00:56:21
That, uh. 00:56:24
Were deemed unconstitutional. 00:56:25
And that's why it didn't go through. 00:56:28
Anyway, that's what I say. 00:56:29
OK, awesome. Thanks, Chip. 00:56:31
And can I add to that as well? 00:56:32
We had a. 00:56:35
Really great regional transportation planning meeting that that. 00:56:37
Almost all the council and the mayor was at where? 00:56:41
We I don't know how many X's we drew on any potential. 00:56:44
Lake frosting is coming through Vineyard. 00:56:49
That is, that is definitely not something that we are supporting here and. 00:56:52
Something we don't foresee. So thank you for that, for that comment. Appreciate that. 00:56:56
Yes. 00:56:59
Please. 00:57:01
Tim Blackburn, Sleepy Ridge. 00:57:07
And we talked a little bit about the swapping of. 00:57:09
Lights this evening. 00:57:13
From one that was going to be developed down near the lake. 00:57:15
To the one up. 00:57:17
The. 00:57:19
What we're talking about the roadway 400. 00:57:20
We're not. I'm speaking on behalf of the Vineyard Heritage Foundation. 00:57:24
A couple of years ago, we took a tour out through the part. 00:57:29
East, the eastern most part of that development. 00:57:33
To see what we could do to build a Heritage Park. 00:57:36
In that area, that's where that's near where there are silos and an old farmhouse and. 00:57:39
A lot of other things that are still part of the. 00:57:45
The community of Vineyard. 00:57:49
My only problem if we swapped out the sequencing of those parks. 00:57:51
Would be. 00:57:56
The Heritage Foundation is not prepared to come up with architectural drawings of what we would like to see in that park that. 00:57:56
That would be reserved as a park. 00:58:04
But we've not been able to yet. 00:58:05
Put together drawing some plans. 00:58:07
That. 00:58:11
That we're now kind of being forced to do quickly. 00:58:12
If we swap those parks. 00:58:15
So where? 00:58:17
Very willing to work work with the Planning Commission. 00:58:18
As they start working through this process. 00:58:22
To try to develop such. 00:58:24
Schematics and so on so we can see what a Heritage Park might look like there. 00:58:27
If we're going to move forward with developing it. 00:58:31
More quickly than. 00:58:33
Was originally planned. 00:58:35
Thank you. 00:58:36
Thank you, Sir. 00:58:37
Come on down. Yes. 00:58:39
So at the rate we're going with the inflexibility of the development agreement that parks not going to happen for 10 years. 00:58:42
That was a joke. 00:58:49
We got done. 00:58:50
What I what I'm what I'm saying is. 00:58:52
But to be more serious in answering your question is. 00:58:55
Is we're sitting right now, I think between Goodborough and Cadence. 00:58:57
Probably around 40 or 45 C of OS. 00:59:01
The first park, whether it's the Lake Park or. 00:59:05
The farm park. 00:59:08
Does not deliver to the city until 114. 00:59:09
So you can imagine that it's taken us a couple of several years to get to the point that we are now. Our hope is it doesn't take 00:59:12
us several more years, but we're not talking about months. 00:59:17
We're talking about probably at least. 00:59:21
A year or two. 00:59:23
And I think that. 00:59:25
If we can't come up with what we're going to do in a Heritage Park situation there. 00:59:26
Then we probably shouldn't do a Heritage Park, but I think that's enough time. At least a year ought to give us enough time to 00:59:30
have that conversation, that dog. 00:59:33
We're fully supportive of whatever the city wants to do and happy to. 00:59:36
Jump off our We've specifically not torn down silos because we knew that that was something that was raised to us. We are getting 00:59:40
more concerned about the trespassing. 00:59:44
The old barn with the fire last summer, We'd like to kind of do some things that need to be done. 00:59:49
But we are not tearing anything down without having these conversations so. 00:59:54
And I think we've got time. 00:59:58
Yeah. Thank you, Sir. 00:59:59
OK, you ready to jump on? 01:00:01
To the. 01:00:04
OK, all righty. We will close the work session and head. So we did public comments. We're going to go jump down to #5 on the 01:00:05
agenda which is the consent items. 01:00:10
I'm going to give a little explanation here and ask Bryant and. 01:00:15
And perhaps Evan to jump in and kind of. 01:00:18
Correct me if I'm wrong saying anything here. So the. 01:00:21
5.1 and 5.2. 01:00:25
Is the approval of. 01:00:27
City Council meeting minutes. 01:00:29
5.3 Skate Park Letter of support Brian, do you want to talk to that real quick? 01:00:32
Yeah, so essentially we're planning to apply for a skate park. 01:00:37
Grant through the Utah Outdoor Recreation. 01:00:42
Grant Organization. 01:00:46
And as part of that, we want to have support letters to help make our applications strong. And one of those we wanted to do was. 01:00:47
Showing support from mayor and City Council. 01:00:55
And so essentially this is just. 01:00:57
To make everyone aware. 01:01:00
Just that you guys support that we. 01:01:03
Pursue that grant possibility and. 01:01:06
Great. We already signed a letter, correct? And so you have that, OK. So that's just the OK. 01:01:09
So. 01:01:14
This is honestly I'm just want to please add to that that these layers of support from local. 01:01:15
Council is very common. 01:01:20
For example, when we applied for. 01:01:22
The Mountain. 01:01:24
Mountain Land Association of Governments. 01:01:26
For funding to for. 01:01:28
The rail consolidation. 01:01:31
We had to. 01:01:33
Receive as just a letter stating that. 01:01:34
You know this is on the. 01:01:38
On the plan. 01:01:39
And it's, you know, this is just supported by. 01:01:40
So far on our priorities, so this is a very common task. 01:01:45
Does. Unfortunately doesn't guarantee. 01:01:49
The grant. 01:01:51
Money, well it helps, right? It helps substantially. Typically they wouldn't, they wouldn't even look at. 01:01:52
OK, sounds good. 01:01:58
OK, great. 01:01:59
Already I'm going to jump down to 5.4. 01:02:00
Municipal financial institutions, signatory authorization. So this is something new to me, so. 01:02:04
I think this would be helpful in just a. 01:02:08
For the citizens understand kind of why we're asking for this. So right now Vineyard City, we bank with three different 01:02:11
institutions, Zions Bank. 01:02:15
U.S. bank and then CC Bank. CC Bank. 01:02:19
We use for our payroll. 01:02:22
And is in this new administration. I went there so I could become a signer. 01:02:24
Make sure that we can have payroll to go through. They asked for they asked for this right here. The municipal finances due to 01:02:28
signatory authorization. 01:02:32
Resolution so they could update that. 01:02:36
As we're going through the different administrations, I've asked that we have. 01:02:39
Evan and David Kyle also have the authority to to sign for that. 01:02:43
The I need. 01:02:48
It would be helpful. 01:02:50
I real quick, Mayor. 01:02:52
Please 97 point word. 01:02:54
Sure, if we're gonna. 01:02:56
Can we finalize the consent agenda in the room? 01:02:58
Just so. 01:03:01
Approve the items that we don't need to discuss and then get into the ones we do. 01:03:02
Actually, do I comment on? 01:03:06
5.3. 01:03:09
5.4 OK. 01:03:10
All right, so. 01:03:12
That is. 01:03:13
So that is this so? 01:03:14
Passing this will allow us to make sure that. 01:03:15
CC bank is good to go so. 01:03:18
Any I'll entertain a motion on the consent items so. 01:03:20
Ezra, you said you had comments on 5.1. 01:03:25
5.3 and 5.4. 01:03:28
So the only one that you're ready to approve is 5.2, which is the February 17th. 01:03:32
City Council meeting minutes. 01:03:38
Correct. 01:03:41
And the other one. 01:03:42
OK, I move to approve the February 17th, 2026 City Council meeting minutes. 01:03:44
Second all in favor, aye. 01:03:50
Aye, OK, Aye. 01:03:53
Any opposed? 01:03:54
OK, let's jump into 5.1 real quick. Ezra, what did you want to go through? 01:03:55
What you have there? 01:04:00
Yeah, just in the minutes or 5.1 on item. 01:04:02
On the predatory spelling item, we had quite a few public comments. 01:04:07
That. 01:04:11
Didn't get put into the record. 01:04:12
And I was wondering if we could just. 01:04:14
Out of the minutes to. 01:04:16
Not only put those in the record. 01:04:18
But then also. 01:04:21
There was a note that. 01:04:23
That we make it our top priority to establish the neighborhood committees. 01:04:25
I went back and kind of. 01:04:28
Re watch the meeting to see. 01:04:30
Where the top priority comment came out and. 01:04:32
It was a lot of. 01:04:35
Discussing about. 01:04:36
The towing and we kind of went back and forth between the neighborhood committees, neighborhood lots. 01:04:38
The towing and. 01:04:42
And I think the the direction on the top. 01:04:43
We might have gotten. 01:04:46
Jumbled in there. 01:04:48
And. 01:04:49
I think that's maybe where. 01:04:50
I I felt like the public was asking us to take action on. 01:04:53
Overall, I can see towing restrictions making that like fixing those problems our top priority rather than establishing the 01:04:56
neighborhood committees. 01:04:59
But anyway. 01:05:02
I would just at the very least, like the public. 01:05:05
Comments to be included in there. 01:05:06
Before we approve those minutes. 01:05:08
OK, Tony, Yeah. 01:05:11
I can go ahead and do that and then we'll throw on the next consent. 01:05:14
OK, yeah, just names and. 01:05:17
Similar to what we. 01:05:19
Yeah, public confidence sounds good. 01:05:20
Of their section. That would be great. Thank you. 01:05:23
OK. Do you need a motion to approve that motion to continue that one to next, next council meeting second? 01:05:25
5.1 OK. 01:05:31
5.1 OK, all in favor. 01:05:33
Aye. 01:05:34
Any opposed? 01:05:35
OK. Thank you. 01:05:37
Awesome. 01:05:38
5.3. 01:05:39
5.3 The skate park level support, do we already submit our application, Brian? 01:05:41
Or were we waiting for this agenda item? 01:05:46
No, yeah, we're just waiting for this agenda item. 01:05:49
Again, since we signed it last week, I thought we were. 01:05:54
Moving to ratify this, but if we haven't made any official action, that hasn't been submitted. 01:05:56
I'm supportive of disapproving. 01:06:01
As is, I know we did sign it so it could have been sent last week, but. 01:06:03
That's fine, we can just approve this as is then. 01:06:08
OK. 01:06:11
So take that. 01:06:13
Yep, I move to approve consent item 5.3, the skate park Letter of support as presented. 01:06:15
2nd. 01:06:20
All in favor, aye? 01:06:21
Any opposed? OK. 01:06:24
All righty motion passes. 01:06:26
Let's jump to 5.4. 01:06:29
I'd like to propose a amendment to 5.4 as it was presented. 01:06:31
One of the things. 01:06:36
That. 01:06:38
I think is a byproduct of this. 01:06:39
Is and I know Councilman there made a post about it earlier. 01:06:41
Was the ability for. 01:06:46
The Executive office to open and close new accounts without a check from the City Council. 01:06:48
As we've kind of transitioned into. 01:06:55
A more executive and legislative. 01:06:58
Two branches, perhaps in municipal government. 01:07:00
I think it would be a best practice if we had a. 01:07:03
Voting process for that at the City Council level, if a new account needs to be opened or if an account is closed. 01:07:08
So my proposed amendment would be. 01:07:16
To add a vote from the City Council for any new accounts or account closure. 01:07:18
OK, that's all taken. 01:07:23
I would second that motion. 01:07:29
Let's see what Ezra has as well. 01:07:32
Yeah, sorry. 01:07:36
I apologize for. 01:07:39
The one not being there to. 01:07:42
I know there were. 01:07:45
Some things throughout the post. 01:07:48
I feel, I feel like. 01:07:51
My goal is just to highlight. 01:07:53
A potential weakness. This has nothing to do with our current administration, our current staff. 01:07:56
Or anybody. 01:08:00
That. 01:08:01
We wouldn't. 01:08:02
Trust them to act in the best interests of the city and I feel very strong about that when I look at. 01:08:02
Policies from policy. 01:08:08
Making role sitting sitting on the City Council here one of the things I always like to do. 01:08:10
Is try to find those. 01:08:15
Loopholes. 01:08:18
Plot holes in the policies that are that are being drafted and this was just one that. 01:08:19
That I identified as a potential for enemy. 01:08:24
Future administration to maybe? 01:08:27
Have happen. 01:08:30
Parker, I think your your suggestion is is. 01:08:31
A great way to. 01:08:34
Undo that. I did note that on the agenda item there was that yellow section. 01:08:37
And I think that was. 01:08:41
Kind of inviting comment on this SO. 01:08:43
I knew it wasn't. 01:08:45
Necessarily a done deal at that point. 01:08:46
But it looks like there are two. 01:08:50
Two options within the resolution that are being proposed. 01:08:52
For the authorized signatories on those. 01:08:55
One is just saying it will require. 01:08:58
Two from among the authorized signatories or one elected official. 01:09:01
And one staff member. 01:09:06
I don't know if the intent was to get additional comment on that, but. 01:09:09
I feel like the finance team should just be involved. If the council is voting on these, then that. 01:09:12
Absolutely. 01:09:16
Solves that issue because the staff will be able to. 01:09:18
Act on the Council's recommendations. 01:09:21
But yeah, I would just hate for any situation where the finance team was not aware of an account that was being created. 01:09:24
And didn't even know how this is something we. 01:09:29
Include in our total reporting or our auditing. So I think that's a great suggestion, Parker and. 01:09:32
Again, I apologize for. 01:09:38
For any. 01:09:40
Part feeling David I. 01:09:42
I appreciate David Connor. I appreciate all the. 01:09:43
The work that you've done and. 01:09:46
And stepping up and being willing to fulfill this role. 01:09:48
It is. 01:09:51
A lot to balance all the different. 01:09:52
Bureaucracy type things, not even just within the city. I mean, this is something that's being required to thank so many of these 01:09:55
little things. 01:09:58
And I need to get done so. 01:10:01
I appreciate you being able to step in that. 01:10:03
That role and willing to do that for us. 01:10:05
OK, Motion. Yeah, let me figure out how to word that real quick. OK, sounds good. I move to approve. 01:10:10
Item 5.4. 01:10:17
The municipal finance institution. 01:10:20
Signatory authorization. 01:10:22
With an amendment. 01:10:24
To hold a City Council vote. 01:10:27
Anytime a new account is being. 01:10:31
Opened. 01:10:33
On the city's behalf. 01:10:34
Or. 01:10:35
A financial account is being closed. 01:10:36
On the city's behalf. 01:10:38
Do I have a second? 01:10:43
I'll second that. 01:10:44
Awesome. All in favor. 01:10:45
Aye. 01:10:47
Roll call, network roll call on that one. OK, we'll start here with. 01:10:48
We'll start with Ezra, since your. 01:10:51
Go ahead. 01:10:53
Councilman naira aye. 01:10:55
Parker. 01:10:57
Councilman Mccumber, aye. 01:10:58
Councilman Wood I. 01:11:00
Larae I. 01:11:01
Awesome motion passes. 01:11:03
OK. Next we are going to jump down the appointment and. 01:11:06
This is regarding the ula Utah Lake Authority governing board member. 01:11:11
Where? 01:11:15
The mayor, me, will be representing our city on that board. 01:11:17
Any discussions or a motion on that? 01:11:26
I move to adopt Resolution 2026-09, appointing the mayor to the Utah Lake. 01:11:29
Authority. Governing board. 01:11:34
Awesome. A second. 01:11:36
OK, all in favor. 01:11:38
Aye. 01:11:39
Awesome. 01:11:40
Do we do because the resolution do we have to do we roll call that one? OK. All right, Tony, thanks for keeping us in line. So. 01:11:41
We started with Ezra. Last time we saw David, This time David. 01:11:47
Larae I would I? 01:11:50
Councilman Mccumber, aye. 01:11:53
Councilman, aye, aye. 01:11:56
Awesome motion passes or. 01:11:57
The resolution passes. 01:12:00
OK, alrighty. We're going to jump down to the business item 7.1, creation of Neighborhood Commission. 01:12:03
So I'm going to jump. 01:12:08
Pass the time over to Jacob Wood here. 01:12:10
To kind of explain and introduce this resolution. 01:12:13
Jacob see if I can get it on the screen. 01:12:16
OK, let's see if I can present it. 01:12:19
OK. Thank you. 01:12:25
So the past over the past couple weeks after presenting this concept that a previous City Council meeting, I took your guys 01:12:27
feedback on trying to make this more formal. 01:12:31
And I think that the way to do this is to do it how other cities do it, which is to form an actual Commission. 01:12:35
For a long time, we've had situations where decisions are made for neighborhoods without those neighborhoods really being part of 01:12:41
the. 01:12:44
Process. 01:12:46
And that's how you end up with frustration and disconnect. 01:12:47
We've seen a lot of that. 01:12:50
So after a lot of discussion and feedback, I believe forming an actual neighborhood advisory Commission is the best way forward. 01:12:51
This is how many municipalities do it, including Orem and Provo. 01:12:56
Nature is a structured way, in a consistent way for neighborhoods to stay involved. 01:13:00
So the structure is pretty simple. 01:13:06
We divide the vineyard. 01:13:09
Into 10 districts. Each district will have one representative. 01:13:10
That person will be appointed by the mayor and approved by council. 01:13:14
This Commission will be advisory only, It does not replace the Council. 01:13:16
It does not make any binding decisions. It is not an HOA. 01:13:20
It gathers input, discusses. 01:13:23
Level issues and brings organized recommendations forward to City Council. 01:13:26
So this is the proposed map. 01:13:34
Took a lot of time matching neighborhoods based on similarities and design and types of issues they're dealing with. 01:13:37
Some areas. 01:13:42
Are dealing with parking pressures, infrastructure challenges or housing dynamics? 01:13:45
Other neighborhoods are more unique, like the 55 plus communities, so those were kept separate. 01:13:49
Where appropriate so the Pacific needs aren't diluted or overshadowed. 01:13:54
So the goal wasn't necessarily to draw lines. 01:13:58
Randomly. 01:14:00
The goal was to create groupings that reflect how people actually experience their neighborhoods. 01:14:01
Day-to-day. 01:14:05
So that's just a better. 01:14:06
Graph of what I have. 01:14:07
So no park? You mentioned a downtown area. 01:14:10
So added to downtown to District 4. 01:14:13
So it's kind of a zoomed in map. 01:14:16
That makes sense. 01:14:20
So the role and authority. 01:14:27
Is just to nib their. 01:14:29
The role the Commission will be focused. They will discuss neighborhood. 01:14:31
Hood issues provide recommendations that Council, as I said. 01:14:34
To facilitate meetings between neighborhoods. 01:14:37
And they'll support surveys or engagement efforts were needed. 01:14:39
So this gives us a structured way to get feedback instead of hearsay, and it makes participation more accessible, organized. 01:14:42
And ongoing. 01:14:49
So the items I'd like to finalize tonight and get your thoughts on is to determine. 01:14:51
The term length. 01:14:56
The meeting and the meeting frequency once those are decided. 01:14:58
We can go ahead and form this. 01:15:02
Commission. So if that I'd like to open up for discussions if you guys have any. 01:15:04
Thoughts or questions? I'm happy to answer it. 01:15:09
If the public has any questions as well, I'm happy to. 01:15:11
Answer with that as well so. 01:15:14
Thank you. 01:15:16
OK, Council any. 01:15:18
Discussions or questions for Councilman Wood regarding this. 01:15:22
Commission. 01:15:26
Yes. 01:15:28
I have some, but I didn't. You can go ahead and start over. Yeah, Start us off, Ezra. 01:15:29
OK, yeah, so the map. 01:15:33
So. 01:15:36
So the goal is every neighborhood would have one representative. 01:15:37
That would come to this committee. 01:15:41
And then they would vote on these recommendations for the council. No, they wouldn't vote so. 01:15:43
And it's not every neighborhood, so I pacifically month. 01:15:48
Put it together in districts. I think we did. If we did, every neighborhood would be like. 01:15:50
Over 20 people. 01:15:54
So there. 01:15:55
Is there are purposes to meet together? 01:15:57
They come to City Council meetings if there's any issues, if they have any recommendations. So if we have a. 01:16:00
Let's say that that holdaway development, we would go to District 10, talk to that representative and see. 01:16:04
What that community specifically would like to see there. 01:16:10
So that's the goal of this. 01:16:12
So what that person would represent that neighborhood? How about? 01:16:14
How would they do that? Would they meet with the people there were they would be a regular? Yeah. So their goal in neighborhood. 01:16:17
There what we would want them to do is organize neighborhood level meeting. 01:16:23
And then they from that meeting, that representative will come to us. 01:16:28
Or we will contact that representative to see. 01:16:31
What that community would want to see in that? 01:16:33
You know it relates to. 01:16:36
Development project. 01:16:39
Oh, got it. So. 01:16:41
So they're basically like a facilitator. 01:16:42
To help organize and talk about mostly talking about issues within their neighborhood. 01:16:45
Then I saw like monthly or quarterly recommendations on meeting frequency. How often would they all meet? So that's. 01:16:50
So that's what I want to discuss with you. 01:16:57
On how often we should have the representatives meet with us in terms of having them if their own neighborhoods. 01:16:59
We can figure out how to structure that as well. 01:17:05
But what we what we would want is the representatives to go out and organize that themselves. 01:17:08
In those. 01:17:13
You know districts. 01:17:13
Do we need to specify an exact interval or can we say arrange? They can be anywhere from, say monthly to quarterly or something 01:17:17
depending upon their needs. I mean, I think you can give a recommendation. I don't think you can specify an interval, especially 01:17:23
when this is an unpaid position with no budget assigned to it. I mean, you can't make people just show up. 01:17:28
You can't even get to the Planning Commission right now, that's true. 01:17:34
I know for example neighborhood watch requires like one meeting a year just to make sure that. 01:17:41
I guess this is happening like I look at worms website and I think. 01:17:46
Their neighborhood council members are. 01:17:50
Not updated like. 01:17:52
I would hate for this. So you get started up and then just. 01:17:54
Like not. 01:17:56
Actually have any? 01:17:58
Situation because it isn't. 01:17:59
Something that we. 01:18:01
Are actively monitoring or regularly checking in on are actually. 01:18:02
Referencing. 01:18:06
But if that's the plan, if the plan is to have. 01:18:09
The neighborhoods each kind of represent their own area. 01:18:12
I would like to propose having more. 01:18:16
Of these is like for example 6. So I lived in district 6 is what's currently written right now and there are 6 different. 01:18:19
Pretty unique neighborhoods with unique issues. 01:18:27
In that area. So we've got like Windsor. 01:18:30
Which is much more high density single family. I mean it's all single family housing, but. 01:18:33
Windsor is much more high density. 01:18:36
Bridge boards, a part of the HOA but similar to the Gemini and. 01:18:39
In size, but not in the HOA. 01:18:42
That bleeds down into the townhome developments that are South of. 01:18:45
Of Center St. 01:18:49
And then there's a. 01:18:51
For religious boundaries, there's a. 01:18:52
Geographic two different. 01:18:55
Tracy did describe the latter day St. Ward's in that area. 01:18:58
I think there's multiple poll. 01:19:02
Party precincts. 01:19:05
In that area as well. 01:19:07
I feel like 9 is is a huge district. I mean, there's, there's lots and lots of. 01:19:08
So 9. 01:19:13
Apartment complex and I think it's. 01:19:15
So the reason I did 9 is because that has Mill point, has Edgewater, has Concord. So it's not it's a really. 01:19:17
The problem of high. 01:19:24
I mean, I got him out to vote. 01:19:26
November but it's really hard to get him to come to meetings like that, so. 01:19:27
That's why I decided to group that whole area together and they're dealing with similar issues like you live in District 6. 01:19:31
This restricts overwhelmingly dealing with. 01:19:37
Over occupancy issues, right District 9 is dealing with parking shortages and. 01:19:39
Predatory towing. 01:19:43
So I really tried to. 01:19:45
Map it. 01:19:47
And you know, we can probably add more. 01:19:48
But really try to map it specifically towards neighborhood level issues and similar issues that our neighbors are facing. 01:19:50
So. 01:19:56
Yeah. And I appreciate the the effort to do that. 01:20:00
I think it's. 01:20:03
If I if I see an issue like South of Summer St. for example though. 01:20:04
I'm not going to necessarily want. 01:20:08
That I would go straight to that neighborhood. 01:20:11
Rather than. 01:20:14
Kind of looking at the entire district 6 blocks, so maybe even just targeting out. 01:20:15
Like that lower high density as that continues to build out, they're going to have. 01:20:19
Sure. 01:20:23
Similar issues since their neighborhood structures and then what's your concern over? 01:20:24
Oh, sorry to interrupt. What's your concern? 01:20:29
Let's say you live in Bridgeport and the representative lives in. 01:20:31
The Charmaine and you have an issue in Bridgeport, it's not in the issue there. You can still go to that representative. That 01:20:35
representative's job is to represent the entire district and get those issues and all the neighborhoods over there. So you'll 01:20:39
still get those issues to the table. 01:20:43
If that helps. 01:20:48
Yeah, I just don't see why I would even bother reaching out. 01:20:51
To that person. 01:20:54
That point I would just reach out directly to. Well, you can do that too. 01:20:55
For my neighbors in that area as well. 01:20:59
And so if we're going to have some sort of like. 01:21:01
Elevated. 01:21:04
Status where they. 01:21:05
Have additional recommending capacity to the Council. 01:21:06
I would just love that extra representation so I can. 01:21:10
I can know, OK, this person is going to really be able to work on the organize their neighbors. 01:21:13
In their neighborhood. 01:21:17
I feel like from like the organizing and the meeting perspective it might be. 01:21:19
Helpful to have. 01:21:22
Smaller groups. 01:21:23
And you probably get more. 01:21:24
Engagement in my mind. 01:21:26
If I can. 01:21:28
Actually get all my neighbors to a meeting versus. 01:21:29
If I'm like. 01:21:32
A regular settings are now going around knocking doors saying hey I have this new. 01:21:33
Neighborhood advisory position on the council and. 01:21:37
And that's my authority. 01:21:40
When everyone in the area just have my cell phone number and can call me directly with some of their issues as well. 01:21:41
Yeah. Parker, do you have any more? 01:21:47
But I think it'd be really helpful, I mean for the neighborhoods that I. 01:21:49
I'm not a part of. I do like the idea of having. 01:21:52
Somebody that we know the community supports as well. 01:21:55
So that. 01:21:58
That's also one thing, I guess on the. 01:21:59
Select an appointment, it would be great in my opinion. 01:22:01
To have like. 01:22:04
A certain number of. 01:22:06
Signatures or some some sort of? 01:22:08
Indication that. 01:22:10
The neighborhood does support this individual. 01:22:12
Bring these issues to the Council so we can know OK, if I'm reaching out to this individual. 01:22:14
They have the support of. 01:22:19
20 or 30 or 50 of their neighbors that have signed on to say yes. 01:22:20
I want this person to handle these issues on. 01:22:24
I in line with that one of my. 01:22:30
Thoughts or concerns is you know you you brought up. 01:22:33
That these would be. 01:22:35
Positions submitted or names submitted by the Mayor voted on by the consent of the council. 01:22:36
I'm curious about the process. 01:22:41
As you would recommend it for. 01:22:44
Obtaining those names and those recommendations, is this something that the city is going to put out? 01:22:47
You know, public notice and try to get nominations applications is Zach interviewing all these people and then he's going to bring 01:22:52
them in and and we vote on it. Like what's the process for that? So I would imagine it being the neighborhoods nominating people 01:22:56
and then Zach. 01:23:00
Or if he designated City Council person. 01:23:04
Interviews that person. 01:23:07
So I would imagine it being similar to what the Planning Commission is, but more decentralized. So we would we would get the 01:23:09
nominations from. 01:23:12
Each district, if that makes sense. 01:23:16
Correct, I'm just asking about the actual infrastructure or the process of getting the nomination. 01:23:19
Like we could say, yeah, we want to get it from them, but or is somebody going knocking their doors? Are we? 01:23:24
Calling them? Emailing them? How does that actually look? 01:23:29
You can post it on social media. 01:23:32
It's like how we do. 01:23:34
Both commissions. 01:23:35
And then? 01:23:37
My, my other thought was, you know, I'm a huge fan of the decentralization and deregulation and everything. 01:23:38
So I'm. 01:23:45
At odds here internally, and I'll just be very honest about it, where I love to see something like this where we have. 01:23:46
Neighborhood representation because I want neighborhoods to represent neighborhoods. One size solutions don't fit everyone. 01:23:52
I also absolutely abhor the fact. 01:23:59
That we would create a Commission because once you create a Commission, it has a tendency of never going away and asking for money 01:24:02
and wanting to grow in its power scope, reach an authority. 01:24:07
So I generally. 01:24:12
Dislike that? 01:24:14
My. 01:24:15
Concern would be, you know, are there term limits associated? We haven't talked at all about putting a sunset on it or a term 01:24:16
limit structure. 01:24:20
And then what's? 01:24:26
I mean, I understand the benefit of having an specific. 01:24:27
Representative for the neighborhood. 01:24:30
But that doesn't stop people either. Not that I'm saying we should be stopping them. I'm saying. 01:24:32
People will still just. 01:24:37
Come to the City Council. They don't have to go to that representative, they just cut them out. 01:24:39
So then I get into this train of thought of. 01:24:42
What's the point? 01:24:45
And that feeds my. 01:24:47
Thought on. 01:24:49
Man, I'd hate to. 01:24:51
Develop a Commission. 01:24:52
So anyways, I'm having that internal debate right now. I'd love to hear some more feedback from all of you on those. 01:24:54
Thoughts, points and comments. 01:24:59
David. 01:25:02
We talked about this last. We talked about the possibility of going neighborhood by neighborhood as opposed to districts. 01:25:05
And that we would base it on the. 01:25:11
Neighborhood Watch program from the Sheriff's Department. 01:25:13
That we try to organize it that way and then have them. 01:25:16
Have sort of a dual role or a sort of thing. And then as neighborhoods. 01:25:20
You know, organized and came online, they would become part of this. 01:25:23
You know, sort of quasi official. 01:25:27
Council and then and that would be some and then we could go to the. 01:25:30
That council had to ask them questions about. 01:25:34
How do you feel about this This we could we, you know. 01:25:37
Trial balloon. Different ideas. 01:25:40
Or how Sol? 01:25:42
Problem a Parking problems and. 01:25:43
Overall occupancy problems and et cetera, et cetera. 01:25:45
With them. 01:25:49
And so that's why I sort of envisioned. 01:25:49
When we talked about last. 01:25:52
And I liked the granularity that I know there's lots of people involved and I know they wouldn't all show up. 01:25:53
But I think the people with the bigger problems have the. 01:26:00
You know that we're really concerned about getting a solution. 01:26:03
Would be there. 01:26:06
OK. Then we can work on a neighborhood level with them? 01:26:07
And as opposed to whole. 01:26:10
As opposed to trying to impose something on an entire district. 01:26:12
We can really focus on that one neighborhood. 01:26:15
Because, you know, the example Ezra gave is really good. I mean at Bridgeport. 01:26:18
May look a lot. 01:26:22
Like La Chaminade. 01:26:24
But the issues are different. There's an HOA in one and not one in the other. And and there's there's different, different power 01:26:25
structure there. 01:26:29
It seems to me that we ought to be able to. 01:26:33
Some I would like to see it more granular and. 01:26:36
And where we can. 01:26:39
You know, make neighborhoods. 01:26:40
Work together because they really are. 01:26:42
Much more alike within neighborhoods and within the districts. 01:26:46
You've done a great job here that these are really a lot. 01:26:49
You know have similar problems. You're right, they have. 01:26:51
Similar interests. I agree with that. 01:26:54
But I think the more granular approach would. 01:26:56
Would actually let them. 01:26:59
Deal with the issues that they have. 01:27:00
Yeah, I think I generally agree with that. 01:27:02
Idea, especially when you think about. 01:27:05
You know, who are you more likely to approach? Is it somebody in your neighborhood or your ward that you know that you see every 01:27:06
week? Or is it? 01:27:09
You know somebody you know. 01:27:12
Two neighborhoods down that. 01:27:13
Is in your district here, but maybe isn't somebody that you personally know. 01:27:15
I know, you know, Councilman Nair brought up that same kind of point. I think that that might be a better. 01:27:20
Approach. 01:27:25
Although a little bit more. 01:27:26
Intensive in the selection process then because you create more positions. 01:27:28
OK. 01:27:32
I I think that all this. 01:27:34
All the points are well taken, kind of where I met on this, this neighborhood Commission. I really like the intent of it. 01:27:36
I I think that. 01:27:42
There are really there are challenges that each. 01:27:43
Neighborhood Each. Each. 01:27:47
Area of. 01:27:49
Faces. And they're nuanced. 01:27:50
And specifically, we're talking about parking and towing, all that stuff. It's really nuanced as I look across the whole city. 01:27:52
You know I live in the Sycamores right now. 01:27:59
Our problems are not what lakefront and northern Sheminot nor it's just so nuanced and so I think that. 01:28:01
Where I'm at on this I really. 01:28:07
I like. 01:28:09
And I think. 01:28:10
I would definitely. 01:28:12
Could get behind this, but I think. 01:28:13
If we could get a little more granular. 01:28:15
And have a little more representation now with that being said. 01:28:17
We'd have to have. I would really appreciate counsel. 01:28:22
Participation. 01:28:26
And maybe what? 01:28:27
I would recommend is. 01:28:28
Dividing it up and each council member take a specific area might be helpful too to get. 01:28:30
To have that. 01:28:36
Because I'm just thinking about the logistics of. 01:28:37
Kind of where I'm at with. 01:28:40
Time and. 01:28:42
Interviewing. 01:28:43
20 people. 01:28:45
There's a lot so. 01:28:47
I'll just put that out there with that. 01:28:50
I've got 2 comments. I have is. 01:28:53
Sorry, I can't see staff as Chief Debbie Holden there. 01:28:55
Yeah, he's here. 01:28:58
He's grinning from ear to ear. 01:29:00
What do you have like? 01:29:05
So I know that like the neighborhood watch. 01:29:07
Is really like. 01:29:09
Kind of tailored to each specific neighborhood and there's. 01:29:11
There's like a neighborhood captain. 01:29:14
I almost wonder if. 01:29:17
You know, if we get that. 01:29:19
Fully stood up. 01:29:20
And we basically just, I don't know if the neighborhood watches like a charter or something. 01:29:21
Where? 01:29:26
You know, you highlight. OK, here's all the things that. 01:29:26
You need to watch out for. Here's the things that we want your community to watch out for. 01:29:29
If we just add it like. 01:29:32
OK, Also, the Council may reach out to you directly on. 01:29:35
General issues for the neighborhood, can we just kind of add that as a? 01:29:39
Other duties assigned to like a neighborhood. 01:29:42
Captain, because that would be. 01:29:44
Somebody I know, there's like federal grants and opportunities there for funding that we don't have to. 01:29:46
Paper directly, of course. It's all. 01:29:51
You know, all our tax money that goes to the feds and then comes back to us. But. 01:29:53
Maybe you could talk about what that looks like and. 01:29:57
And how the maps are. 01:30:00
Potentially laid out there. 01:30:01
I think our intention with Neighborhood Watch would be more granular on the neighborhood by neighborhood basis. And to be honest, 01:30:04
neighborhood watch, we can make that whatever we want. We don't even have to call it Neighborhood watch. We could call it 01:30:08
something else and blend this proposal with Neighborhood Watch. Really we can do what we want there and create something new for 01:30:12
Vineyard. 01:30:17
I'm happy to help have. 01:30:21
Neighborhood watch integrated with this or hey, if we have a block captain. 01:30:24
But that the difference there is generally that's more like a volunteer. We reach out to the neighborhoods, hey, we'd like to 01:30:27
implement this in your neighborhood. Is there anybody that would like to be a block captain? Because you want somebody that wants 01:30:32
to do it instead of forcing somebody to do that. Otherwise you will get less participation. Well, I think that's necessary for 01:30:37
this because if it's not somebody that wants to do it, they're not going to do it. 01:30:42
And and really the struggle with thing like with neighborhood watch that I've seen is. 01:30:47
You really have to have somebody that's consistently checking in with the neighborhoods to help them keep going because it it is 01:30:51
volunteer and participation can be low and it's hard to maintain if you don't have. 01:30:56
Consistent person that's checking in with them. 01:31:03
I don't mind the idea of maybe. 01:31:05
Grouping some districts or neighborhoods together and assigning a council member to it to represent those areas. 01:31:07
And that council member could help. 01:31:13
With that process of checking it, they'll facilitate that. I think that would be. 01:31:15
Beneficial to help it. 01:31:18
Roll faster and more consistently so. 01:31:20
I'm happy to meet on it and. 01:31:23
And come up with anything we want to do that way. 01:31:24
OK. David, did you have something that you were going to say as well? 01:31:27
Oh well, in Provo they have actual districts with their council. 01:31:30
And I mean. 01:31:34
Provo is a good example of where in the past this has worked. 01:31:35
Where they've divided up and then they've had a council member that. 01:31:39
Is over like. 01:31:44
So for instance, every council district. 01:31:45
Was divided up like three ways. 01:31:48
And. 01:31:50
Than they were so it was kind of a. 01:31:51
Bottom up. 01:31:53
Approach, but the council member played a big role. 01:31:54
Helping keeping the neighborhood chairs motivated and getting feedback and. 01:31:58
And and then they. 01:32:03
The applications would go. 01:32:04
From the council up to the mayor. 01:32:06
OK, so. 01:32:09
That makes a lot of sense. Yep, that's an interesting. Yeah, that's an interesting. 01:32:11
Comment, David, I know. 01:32:16
Yeah, that's right. Yeah, Provo is is districted, I wonder. 01:32:18
I mean, I know we're a lot smaller, but we do have a lot of diverse. 01:32:22
Neighborhood interests and kind of different demographics based on the size and. 01:32:26
An area The city. 01:32:30
What if we? 01:32:32
To get it to work, to put that on the ballot. 01:32:33
Like having. 01:32:36
Is it time you think to? 01:32:37
Maybe district out vineyard and have. 01:32:39
Councils elected by district. 01:32:41
So that would my thought on that to kind of merge the idea, Ezra. 01:32:44
Is. 01:32:49
You have. 01:32:50
You know multiple neighborhoods in each of these blocks. 01:32:51
You have each neighborhood have their own representative, kind of like exactly what we're talking about. 01:32:55
And then you just are segmenting it and you're saying that each council member has an area of responsibilities like maybe mine is. 01:32:59
Shores, James Bay and Hamptons. 01:33:06
And I would meet with the neighborhood. What are the neighborhood watch captains, the block captains, whatever we call them. 01:33:09
For those areas, those people could bring their concerns directly to me and then I would represent them on the council for. 01:33:15
Concerns that our neighborhood specific. 01:33:21
So then it doesn't necessarily have to be something that we are. 01:33:23
Putting on a ballot or taking to. 01:33:27
You know, a full districting. It's just saying, hey. 01:33:29
You're going to meet with those neighborhood captains. 01:33:32
Yeah. 01:33:35
Yeah, no, that's interesting because like right now. 01:33:37
I think we're very fortunate to have a super. 01:33:40
Diverse council as far as like. 01:33:43
What the neighborhoods were in where we live and stuff. And so there's kind of that natural. 01:33:45
We all kind of know the interests of our area a little bit better. 01:33:49
But I. 01:33:52
I mean, packed down the road we could have all. 01:33:53
5 council members of the mayor and. 01:33:56
Like District 1 or District 5 or something like that. If things had worked out that way, so. 01:33:58
Now it's like, I do love having like. 01:34:05
People from all over the city. 01:34:08
Representing the city. 01:34:10
And it might be. 01:34:12
It might be cool to formalize that, but anyway. 01:34:15
That's not just a thought that came up as you mentioned that, David. So thank you. 01:34:17
It seems to me that a district in Provo would be as large as. 01:34:21
Our entire city, yeah. 01:34:26
So it's and we and. 01:34:28
So I'm not sure it works for us that way. It was just a logistical we're more looking at like how do you? 01:34:29
Maybe take the best practice of the structure, not. 01:34:36
Emulate it directly. 01:34:40
Yeah, structure not. 01:34:42
Actual. 01:34:43
That that was not my intent, was to say we needed to go to a vote. 01:34:44
So just for the record. 01:34:47
Thanks for clarifying, David. 01:34:49
OK. Well, I appreciate the feedback and I can go ahead and. 01:34:52
Work on it again, should we? Should we continue this then for another so do we, do we have? 01:34:56
If you want. 01:35:01
Do you want to bring it up? 01:35:02
On the next work session too. 01:35:03
Yeah, let's just actually the next dive in more. I know we've had an at length discussion now, but if there's more you make. 01:35:05
Progress with how the proposal, any of that stuff, we can just bring it up on Tuesday. 01:35:10
Happy to do that as well so. 01:35:15
Would that give you enough time to kind of? 01:35:16
Circle back the wagons and. 01:35:18
Yeah. And OK, so kind of what we're talking about. 01:35:20
Smaller districts. 01:35:23
Potentially having Civic Council members over specific districts. 01:35:25
And then flow up to the mayor. 01:35:30
I'm happy to take a district. 01:35:32
If you want to put me on, are you guys still thinking about doing? 01:35:34
Pointed or used to feedback on that. What's a thought? You can draw the best practice. Like Holden was saying, you need to have 01:35:37
somebody who actually wants to do this. Yeah. So I think it's probably a best practice to seek volunteers or nominations if you 01:35:42
get multiple volunteers in the neighborhood then. 01:35:48
Do the signature thing. 01:35:54
Collects the. 01:35:56
Who's going to be most supported? 01:35:57
OK, awesome. 01:35:59
OK, so Mayor, I move that we continue this item to the next work session. 01:36:01
And next week? 01:36:05
OK, I've got a motion I'll second. 01:36:07
What's the what's a comment just on the the backup documentation there? 01:36:11
I would love for that to kind of align more with what we talked about South this talked about. 01:36:15
Having like all these members be on this Commission and they elect a chair, a vice chair, a secretary and. 01:36:19
And all of these members are getting together. 01:36:25
More frequently and. 01:36:27
Kind of working together more rather than. 01:36:29
Focusing more on their neighborhood issues so. 01:36:31
Are you advocating for that as the structure? 01:36:33
Look at the. 01:36:36
Hold on. We got, we got a motion the backup documents on the agenda right now kind of have a more. 01:36:37
My Commission structure and I. 01:36:43
Not anything like I want each neighborhood to just have their representatives and. 01:36:45
And focus on the neighborhood issues and then they can all meet together like once it's a year or something like that just so we 01:36:49
can. 01:36:51
Continue. But that's that's the whole. 01:36:54
I just want to make sure that. 01:36:56
OK. 01:36:58
Changed in the back of documents. 01:36:59
Awesome. Thanks. 01:37:01
Did you second the motion, Ezra? 01:37:02
I did, yes. OK. 01:37:05
All in favor. 01:37:07
Aye. 01:37:08
OK, awesome. And. 01:37:09
Sorry, are we continuing that to our next? 01:37:11
Council work to be done. A budget retreat this week. Where is that still? 01:37:14
Next working. 01:37:18
Next working session next week as I said. 01:37:19
Yeah, next week. OK. 01:37:22
Thanks. 01:37:25
OK, let's jump down to the discussion of the towing. 01:37:26
Amendments. 01:37:29
I'll turn that back again to. 01:37:31
To Councilman Wood. 01:37:33
I appreciate it. 01:37:34
Well, since Jessie's not here and we're doing a. 01:37:36
Ordinance change. I'd like to move this to the next City Council. You want to make a couple comments? 01:37:38
So it's pretty. 01:37:44
Most people were aware that I. 01:37:46
Ran on parking. I was like my #1 issue. So the only thing I ran on just parking parking parking right? 01:37:48
And this has been an interesting week. I've got a lot of. 01:37:53
A lot of phone calls, a lot of angry calls from the towing companies and their lobbyists and. 01:37:56
I've been disappointed with some misinformation that's gone out that. 01:38:02
This will affect Bridgeport or other areas. 01:38:06
This is specifically rated towards private. 01:38:08
Property so. 01:38:11
Areas of a parking pass. Overnight parking pass. 01:38:12
This change not affect that area at all. 01:38:15
So what we're looking at? 01:38:18
Is basically a 24 hour warning. 01:38:19
For. 01:38:21
Minor credential issues. So you lose a parking pass. You park temporarily in front of your apartment to run and grab something. 01:38:22
You don't get towed and charged. 01:38:26
Hundreds of dollars, which is happening. 01:38:30
So I worked with the city attorney. 01:38:32
On it very. 01:38:35
For a while to make sure the language is correct. 01:38:36
And yeah, I've just been disappointed about. 01:38:39
Having the touring companies ****** *** amendment. 01:38:42
That's fine. I'm fine if I don't. 01:38:44
Got elected to fight him. 01:38:46
But the misinformation. 01:38:48
You know, as we made a statement about. 01:38:50
How this is going to remove parking restrictions and? 01:38:52
Certain neighborhoods, it's not true. This is this is private. 01:38:54
Towing only. This is not affecting public roads at all, so. 01:38:57
Disappointed in that. 01:39:00
But saying but that said. 01:39:02
I'd like to move this to. 01:39:04
The. 01:39:05
March 10th. 01:39:06
To have Jesse. 01:39:07
Here such as it can. 01:39:08
Answer any questions that the rest of the City Council has as it relates to this. 01:39:10
Order this change. So can I get a second on that? 01:39:13
2nd. 01:39:16
Appreciate it. 01:39:17
I'd like to make a. 01:39:18
Comment just to respond to. 01:39:20
What you say let's. 01:39:21
Let's let's. 01:39:24
So we had a second can I all? We'll come back to you as soon as we. 01:39:26
Get this off the table. 01:39:30
All in favor, aye? 01:39:32
All right, OK. Any opposed? 01:39:34
Aye, OK, awesome. 01:39:37
Go ahead, Ezra. 01:39:38
OK. I think, I think that is good that we kind of move this together with some of the parking changes as well that we're. 01:39:40
On the 24th. 01:39:45
March 10th. 01:39:47
I don't see in the language, so maybe. 01:39:49
Maybe that's my fault for just reading the document and not. 01:39:52
Hearing what your intent is here. 01:39:55
But all the. 01:39:57
The language that you're talking about. 01:40:00
It applies citywide like this is. No, it's only for private. It's only for private. I'm sorry you didn't read it Correct, it's 01:40:03
only for private. 01:40:06
I wish you would have called the city of China. 01:40:11
We don't regulate. 01:40:14
Private roads. 01:40:15
We set the rules and regulations for what is towable. 01:40:16
So I'm postponing this because I want the city attorney to be here to answer your questions, but so if you want to argue 01:40:20
legalities. 01:40:22
Let's do it when I see attorneys here. 01:40:25
Thank you. 01:40:27
OK. 01:40:28
No, I'm fine with that. Like. 01:40:30
I think. 01:40:32
That would be good to have. 01:40:33
And read this in the context of things I just the way I read it. 01:40:35
It literally says that this. 01:40:38
Would affect things. It would not be allowed to tow or boot. 01:40:40
Or permit and we use the private companies to effectuate that with our parking program. Well, so do private and so. 01:40:44
Effectively, and I'm not saying that this was your intent, but effectively. 01:40:50
This. 01:40:54
Would not allow any enforcement overnight. 01:40:55
Because you have to get the 24 hour notice. 01:40:59
You wouldn't be able to do anything in those 24 hours. And all these people that are parking on the streets overnight. No, Ezra, 01:41:02
that sounds terrible. But guess what? This, this, this resolution doesn't do that. So it's a great thing that this has been 01:41:07
continued. Yep. To the next meeting. We can talk about it in the next meeting. Thanks, guys. 01:41:12
OK, all righty, we are going to jump down to 7.3. 01:41:17
OK. Thank you. 01:41:23
Thank you. 01:41:24
We're in 7.3. Let's jump down to 7.3 Utah Lakeshore Line trail amenities. I'm going to turn this over to Brian. 01:41:29
To present on this SO. 01:41:38
Come on up, Sir. 01:41:41
Yeah. 01:41:48
So maybe just while I'm pulling this up, I'll give you. 01:41:55
A little bit of background on this. 01:41:58
Um, so we got a grant from the Utah Outdoor. 01:42:00
Recreation grant organization. 01:42:06
Install benches, bike repair stations and bike racks along the Utah Lake Shoreline Trail. 01:42:09
And they are the same organization that we would potentially get a skate park grant from. And so we'd love to continue to make 01:42:15
progress on this project just so that they know that that project is is closer to fruition. 01:42:23
And so essentially with this. 01:42:31
We have $18,000 budgeted currently in the Vineyard City capital presentation. It's yeah, sorry, it's still trying to load. 01:42:36
Let's see. 01:42:48
I don't know what's going on. 01:42:58
OK. 01:43:06
Yeah. So give it just a minute. I'll give a little bit more background just while it's loading up. 01:43:09
But yeah, so we have $18,000 in the budget. 01:43:13
And I just want to verify that this is still a. 01:43:16
Priority with the new council and mayor to move forward with this project. We got a it's a 5050 match so essentially we got about 01:43:20
$18,000 from. 01:43:25
You org and we would just need to. 01:43:30
Fulfill our portion as well of that 18,000. 01:43:33
Is that money already allocated in our current budget? 01:43:36
Correct. And it's really 9:00 and 9:00 then or 18 and 18. 01:43:39
18 and 18, OK. 01:43:42
So with that. 01:43:45
We would essentially. 01:43:50
Install. 01:43:52
2 bike repair stations. 01:43:54
7 bike racks. 01:43:57
And 12 benches. 01:43:59
And they're strategically placed so that it's about every quarter mile. 01:44:01
Starting at Vineyard Beach going South, we would have a bench. 01:44:06
Could you say what those amenities are again and the quantity of each? 01:44:11
Yes. 01:44:14
Benches. 01:44:15
There's 12 of them. 01:44:16
Bike racks. There's seven. 01:44:19
And bike repair stations. There's two. 01:44:22
And that costs $36,000. 01:44:27
Correct. 01:44:29
This is witchcraft. 01:44:33
Please continue. Are these OK? 01:44:38
So you swanky benches. 01:44:40
So let me let me just pull this up and show you. 01:44:44
When you say bike repair station. 01:44:48
What would that include? I was pulling that up. 01:44:51
How much are the? 01:44:53
How much of those little grates? 01:44:54
A little 88 grades that you walk across that have the. 01:44:56
The you know. 01:45:00
At intersections. 01:45:02
Have those little. 01:45:04
So that people can know that. 01:45:05
They're approaching her up. 01:45:07
Sorry, I don't know how much less cost. 01:45:12
When I heard how much those gossip, it's relevant, but what I heard and what's those costs that I was like. 01:45:14
Holy cow, the things that we have to do to. 01:45:19
Maintain the compliance. Do we get competitive bids for this stuff? 01:45:22
Geez, man, Yeah, so. 01:45:27
Let me just go over this really quick. So benches, this essentially is what the bench would look like. This comes from Smith 01:45:29
Steelworks. 01:45:33
I got a number of quotes that I can show you. 01:45:37
I don't know why this is not working you guys, I'm so sorry. 01:45:46
You're fine. Will those be anchored? And Brian, please know that this is not an outburst towards the plan or you or the 01:45:49
presentation. This is just like, holy crap, man, I can. 01:45:53
Come up with 30 freaking benches for 32 grand. 01:45:58
Yeah, so. 01:46:02
Yeah, essentially there's a lot of different options that we looked into so. 01:46:05
The one that we. 01:46:10
Recommend and this went through arch Commission and active transportation committee. 01:46:12
I feel like they gave a lot of great feedback. This essentially is what the benches will look like. 01:46:17
This is a really popular bench that other cities use all across the county. It would allow us to have an engraved Vineyard logo in 01:46:21
there. 01:46:25
If you want to overview on cost, this essentially is. 01:46:32
Basically what it looks like. 01:46:35
Would you e-mail me this? 01:46:38
Sure. Thank you. 01:46:39
It's in the council packet. 01:46:41
Oh my packet cuts off after that emails. 01:46:43
Could you send the entire City Council? 01:46:50
Please yeah so this is all in the agenda but I I can e-mail it separately I did I went through the agenda I didn't see it so OK. 01:46:52
Thank you. 01:46:59
So. 01:47:03
Yeah, I got a number of quotes from various different companies and. 01:47:06
Felt like that was just the best option. 01:47:10
I will I will say this so. 01:47:14
I purchase a lot of benches in my private, well I should say my professional life. 01:47:16
And, umm. 01:47:21
Not to dissuade or. 01:47:22
This is your guys's decision. We'll do whatever. 01:47:24
But Smith still worked these guys generally the most. 01:47:27
Cost competitive. 01:47:30
And when you weigh in? 01:47:32
The longevity of the bench because what the last thing? 01:47:33
If we. 01:47:36
This is something we. 01:47:37
Want we don't want it to break in six months and. 01:47:38
These things are. 01:47:42
So let me ask you this in your professional opinion. 01:47:43
Do you think the city gets charged differently or more exorbitantly? I'm actually kind of frustrated. I'm I'm going to call Smith 01:47:46
Steelwork in the morning and show them this and say get my price down. 01:47:52
So I think that that answered the question very well. 01:47:58
So the more that I get involved in some of these projects where I look at the pricing. 01:48:03
It it doesn't actually seem competitive. 01:48:07
I think that there is a. 01:48:10
Precedent of charging the city more. 01:48:12
So in our efforts to curtail. 01:48:16
Waste. 01:48:20
In the budget, we should absolutely fight this stuff. 01:48:21
Anyways, I like the plan though. 01:48:26
And I think that all these things are good things to have and I don't want to miss out on the $18,000 grant. 01:48:28
I'll support it. I just think we need to do a good job of getting our money's worth on any of this stuff, especially when it comes 01:48:34
to. 01:48:37
Matching for Grant. 01:48:41
OK, everything is a good idea. So I guess my question for you is how do you want me to move forward from here? Do you want me to 01:48:45
move forward with what we're recommending? Do you have more quotes? 01:48:50
Like. 01:48:57
Yes. 01:49:01
OK. My thought is, yes, I do want you to move forward. I I think that this is a good plan. I like the amenities that are being 01:49:03
provided. I think that they're a good service to the community. 01:49:07
I think. 01:49:11
Yes, Zach, you should call them tomorrow morning and. 01:49:12
Say dude, what the heck? 01:49:15
What I'm saying is that this is a better price than what they give me. So I'm I'm frustrated that my misunderstood No, no, no, no, 01:49:17
no, I'm frustrated. So I installed these in a big, big Regional Park I just built in Highland. 01:49:23
And. 01:49:29
Six months ago. 01:49:31
They like the city more than they like Stratton Landscape Group, I'll just say that. So. 01:49:34
We'll we'll be having. That's what I'm saying. 01:49:38
I'm going to say listen. 01:49:40
OK, sorry. 01:49:43
If that wasn't clear, my next business is going to be bench manufacturing. 01:49:44
I think one thing to consider too is if you want, you know, like a. 01:49:50
A typical. 01:49:54
Wood bench, it might be cheaper, but there's a lot of maintenance that comes with that. Yeah, they bring. 01:49:56
So what a nice having something that's more sturdy, that's comfortable, yeah. 01:50:02
You get what you pay for. 01:50:06
For sure, and I like these ones too. They bolt to the ground. 01:50:07
They don't wander off Which. 01:50:11
Wouldn't you build places in Rose Park in West Jordan like I have? 01:50:13
They wander off. 01:50:17
So. 01:50:18
Anyways, umm. 01:50:21
It's what it is. And then with the wood you get the splinters from the residence and. 01:50:23
Parker, if you think they up charge us on the I'm not advocating for wood. Don't put don't put words in my mouth. 01:50:28
OK, so. 01:50:38
So Brian, do you have more to present? 01:50:40
So yeah, I can show you as much as you want. I can go through publication showing the location. Yeah. Thank you. 01:50:42
OK. 01:50:52
So let's just go to the top. 01:50:53
So this has been your beach? 01:50:56
So essentially the blue. 01:51:01
Is bike racks. 01:51:03
The Gray is benches. 01:51:05
Yellow is bike repair station. 01:51:07
So these would all. 01:51:09
Be installed on a concrete pad. 01:51:12
We would be doing this in house with our. 01:51:14
Parks and public works teams. 01:51:16
So essentially we'd have. 01:51:19
You know these concrete pads? 01:51:21
4 bike racks each bike rack. 01:51:23
Can have two bikes. 01:51:26
Let's see if we go to. 01:51:30
And then again, it's just like every quarter mile South of here we have a bench. 01:51:33
Let's see. 01:51:39
So I don't know how in detail you want me to go. This is totally fine. 01:51:49
Thank you. 01:51:53
And all of this is on the trail. 01:52:00
In the distance between the. 01:52:02
Vineyard Beach and where the trail ends on the South side before you get to like, correct? 01:52:05
Old farm. It's where you go running every morning. I don't know why you're complaining. I'm not complaining at all. Not well. You 01:52:10
don't sit when you run, Zach. 01:52:13
If you ran, you'd know that. 01:52:17
I wouldn't know that, right? 01:52:21
And then Brian, for these, are they faulted like into the cement, is that how they're installed? 01:52:24
Correct. Were they just out there? 01:52:31
Yeah, no, these will be bolted down South. People can't. 01:52:33
Walk off with them. 01:52:36
OK. And that's. 01:52:38
That price has included the installations included in that price. 01:52:39
Correct. 01:52:43
Or would we install them ourselves? 01:52:44
He said we were doing that in house. Yes, we're doing that in house, so. 01:52:45
Yeah, but you still the $36,000 total would also include the cost of. 01:52:50
Labor for our. 01:52:57
In-house teams to do that work. 01:52:58
OK, so how we feeling? 01:53:04
Citizens. 01:53:07
Let's do a quick. 01:53:08
Thumbs up, thumbs down. 01:53:09
All thumbs up. I'm seeing lots of thumbs up. I see hands up from Chip. That means he wants to make a comment. 01:53:12
Repair station. 01:53:18
At Penny Springs been broken? 01:53:20
OK. 01:53:23
They don't know that. Out of curiosity, what brakes on those bike stations and how do we make it not be bad? 01:53:25
Yeah, good question. I can verify with our parks team. 01:53:32
OK. 01:53:36
The quick common Vineyard beach is. 01:53:37
Spikes out just to then. 01:53:41
You know, or. 01:53:43
How? What's the long term picture for Vineyard Beach? 01:53:45
That's that could be a long ways out, we have no idea. 01:53:49
How long that would be so? 01:53:53
The good thing about these benches, and again, I'm not. 01:53:56
I'm actually frustrated that they charge Stratton Landscaping more than cities, but that's a whole different. 01:53:58
Issue umm. 01:54:04
They are. You can move them. 01:54:06
So you just unbolt them. 01:54:08
Then you have the price here to. 01:54:10
Put down additional cement and bolt them back in. But that's. 01:54:12
You know. 01:54:14
Not as much. 01:54:15
So, yeah, OK. 01:54:16
All right. Thank you. 01:54:19
Let's Mayor. 01:54:21
Yeah, I moved to authorize the Parks and Rec Department to move forward with the trail amenities as presented. 01:54:23
OK, kind of a second. 01:54:28
2nd. 01:54:30
OK, all in favor. 01:54:31
Aye, aye. 01:54:32
All right, awesome. 01:54:34
OK, that concludes. 01:54:36
Is that everything I think we have tonight? 01:54:38
I believe it is. 01:54:40
That concludes our City Council meeting. Thank you everybody for coming and. 01:54:43
That will wrap it up. 01:54:47