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  • Mayor Fullmercalled the meeting to order at08pm.            PRESENTATIONS/RECOGNITIONS/AWARDS/PROCLAMATIONS1.   TransportationMasterplanPresentation Presentationof theDraft Transportation Masterplan
  • Josh Gibbons, with Hales Engineering, presented a draft of the Transportation Master Plan.
  • Councilmember Sifuentes noted that the portion of the presentation on projected future congestion was missing certain future projects that were meant to address those concerns. Mr. Gibbons explained that those were in the plan but that what he had presented was a “no build” option but that the final plans would include those projects.         WORK SESSION1.   UtahStateCode63G-2GovernmentRecordsAccessandManagementAct (GRAMA) CityRecorderPamela Spencerwill leadadiscussion onGRAMALaw.
  • Mayor Fullmer turned the time over to City Recorder Pamela Spencer. Ms. Spencer presented a brief overview of how her office classifies documents and fulfils records requests in accordance with the Government Access and Management Act (GRAMA). The presentation was in response to a request made during the previous city council meeting for information specific to fees normally associated with voluminous records requests.
  • Ms. Spencer said that there were four requests which met the criteria for a voluminous request in24. She detailed the specifics of those requests. She stated that there had been one that took several months to complete and if the requester had been charged it would have been approximately $2000.
  • Councilmember Holdaway asked for clarification on that request. Ms. Spencer explained that there had been some technical issues that led to it taking longer to fulfil the request. She also clarified that the request had been made by Councilmember Holdaway regarding Qualtrics.
  • Ms. Spencer continued her presentation. This included a short clarification on another request from Councilmember Holdaway regarding communication with Y2 Analytics.
  • Ms. Spencer detailed a request that had been submitted for the general ledger from16 to24. She explained that as it had been relayed to her, that request would have included approximately000 pages of documents. Each of which would have to be reviewed for protected information before being released. That request had since been closed due to lack of communication from the requester.
  • Ms. Spencer continued her presentation.
  • Councilmember Sifuentes asked if there had been any changes to the process of obtaining the ledger that removes some if not all the private information or if there was a way of making the process less labor intensive. City Manager Eric Ellis explained that the software the finance department uses has that information removed automatically when it is interacting with the system used by the state when submitting reports for the Transparency Website. However, that function is not available when reports are manually generated at the city level.
  • Councilmember Clawson wanted advice on how to narrow down requests so that they were not voluminous. Ms. Spencer advised that requestors should stay away from terms like “any and all communications,” and that requests that include more narrow timelines and specific staff or departments often yields better results.
  • Councilmember Holdaway stated that he had received the ledger and had been able to “De-Identify”000 pages in minutes. Though it was stated that the process had been done in Excel, the details of what exactly had been removed or the process the councilmember had used were unclear. Ms. Spencer asserted that it was the responsibility of the city recorder to determine what would need to be redacted. It was not stated what criteria had been used by Councilmember Holdaway.   A discussion ensued and it was recommended by Mayor Fullmer that Councilmember Holdaway meet with Ms. Spencer and Mr. Ellis as well as Seth Overson from the State Auditor’s office to discuss ways that those redactions might be made faster.
  • Councilmember Sifuentes called for a point of order. She felt that some of the language used in the discussion could constitute an attack on the character of Ms. Spencer. She expressed willingness to enter into a closed session if Councilmember Holdaway felt it necessary to discuss the character of staff.
  • Councilmember Sifuentes asked Ms. Spencer to repeat the current year’s numbers. Ms. Spencer shared that her office had already received records requests. Of those, had been responded to,had withdrawn their requests,had been denied andhad been given partial denials due to redaction of information.           PUBLICCOMMENTS
  • Orem residentKarston Walker read a message from Orem resident John Barrick regarding resolutions passed by the Vineyard Redevelopment Agency in23.         MAYORANDCOUNCILMEMBERS'REPORTS/DISCLOSURES/RECUSALS
  • Councilmember Cameron shared that she had had discussions with Lakefront regarding their parking issues and that there would be further discussion on the issue at the next meeting.
  • Councilmember Holdaway reported that he had spent the last month working with the state auditor’s office and that they had been conducting an “overview” of the last years of the Redevelopment Agency. He stated that it was imperative that city staff work in a timely fashion with the auditor’s office.
  • Mayor Fullmer stated that she welcomed the auditor’s office to the city and that staff were being cooperative.
  • Finance Director Kristie Bayles clarified that Seth Oveson is not the Deputy State Auditor but rather a Local Government Manager. She stated that she has been working closely with him and providing all requested information. Ms. Bayles also shared that during the course of working with Mr. Oveson a timing issue with reports to the state had been discovered. She explained that because accounts payable had to remain open formonths after the last quarter of the fiscal year there were discrepancies in what was being reported. The State Auditor discovered that this was not an issue specific to Vineyard City, but that other cities across the state had been making this same error and issued a correction. Ms. Bayles noted that once the issue had been corrected it was shown that all numbers matched exactly as they should and that there were no actual discrepancies in the city’s finances.
  • Councilmember Holdaway stated that he had been trying during the last six months to obtain the general ledger. He said that he had been denied those records but directed to the Transparent Utah website. He expressed concern that what had been reported on the site was $3.5 Millon dollars off. Ms. Bayles reiterated that it was a timing issue with reporting and that it had since been resolved.
  • Councilmember Clawson reported on working with citizens from the LeCheminant subdivision who had reached out to him over speeding concerns. He stated that they had been collecting input from residents and had planned a town hall, which he and Councilmember Cameron would attend.
  • Mayor Fullmer stated that when a member of the council requests documents that they are provided. Staff will try their best to get the documents to the councilmembers as close as possible to the formats requested. She was pleased that the work done in cooperation with Mr. Oveson had helped to identify a statewide issue and that Vineyard was able to come into compliance. She wanted to clarify that even though numbers had initially looked off, that it was merely a reporting issue and that the actual budget itself was not off in any way.
  • City Manager Eric Ellis gave a monthly report on city operations.           CONSENT ITEMS1.   Approvalofthe April30,2025, CityCouncilSpecial SessionMeeting Minutes2.   VineyardMunicipalCodeAmendments-BusinessLicensing(Ordinance2025-)3.   GeneralLedger Confidentiality Agreement4.   InterlocalAgreementwithUtahCounty-WarmingCenter(Resolution2025-24)5.   AmendmentstotheVineyardMunicipalCodeSection10.20.202-Streets;Traffic Control (Ordinance25-05)
  • Councilmember Sifuentes asked if it would be possible for Mr. Oveson to attend a future council meeting so that he could comment on statements made and work that he had done with the city. There was a brief discussion regarding how to go about arranging a meeting. Councilmember Sifuentes also commented that to her it was unlikely that the corruption that had been implied as actually happening. She felt fatigued at what she viewed as constant finger pointing and wanted to know what could be done to resolve the issues. A discussion ensued.           STAFF,COMMISSION, ANDCOMMITTEE REPORTS CityManager Report
  • Councilmember Holdaway asked to pull item3 for discussion.
  • Motion: COUNCILMEMBER HOLDAWAY MOVED TO APPROVE CONSENT ITEMS1,2,4 AND5 AS PRESENTED. COUNCILMEMBER CLAWSON SECONDED THE MOTION. THE ROLL CALL VOTE WAS AS FOLLOWS: MAYOR FULLMER AND COUNCILMEMBERS CAMERON, SIFUENTES, CLAWSON AND HOLDAWAY VOTED YES. THE MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.
  • City Attorney Jayme Blakesley gave a summary of item3, the General Ledger Confidentiality Agreement. It had been drafted in response to a request by Councilmember Holdaway to be able to share unredacted information in the general ledger with a member of the public who, in his capacity as a Certified Public Accountant, would be advising Councilmember Holdaway on matters pertaining to the budget. He stated that it was recommended by Mr. Oveson that to facilitate this, it would be beneficial to have all parties enter into a confidentiality agreement to help prevent confidential or protected information from being made public.
  • Councilmember Holdaway stated that he had received the ledger that he had requested, only hours prior to the meeting. He believed that the council would be approving the budget, and he was concerned that he had not yet had time to consult a CPA. He said that there was nowhere in code that required the council to take a vote in order for him to have access to the general ledger. He stated that he felt his words (his stated intent to “share” the ledger) were being misconstrued in a way so as to block him from having access.
  • Councilmember Holdaway stated that despite having only had hours with the ledger he had already been able to find what he alleged was $90,000 in food expenses for the current fiscal year. He stated that not having access to the ledger sooner or that other private citizens were being charged for their records request somehow eroded the public’s trust in city government. He accused the city of “gamesmanship.”
  • Councilmember Clawson wanted a clarification added to the record that the council was not approving a budget during the current meeting. Adoption of the tentative budget was simply accepting that it had been received and would be discussed in subsequent meetings.
  • Mr. Ellis also stated that he felt that any gamesmanship involved in the ledger discussion was on the part of Councilmember Holdaway, for suggesting that any request by him to have the ledger had been denied. That the reality of the situation was that what had been debated was the sharing of protected information with a consultant that had no duty to comply with GRAMA law as it pertained to an unredacted ledger. Mr. Ellis asserted that in multiple meetings staff had offered to give Councilmember Holdaway an unredacted copy of the ledger, but when offered, Councilmember Holdaway had stated that “I don’t want it for me, I want to share it with a consultant.”  He stated that the presence of a non-disclosure agreement would help protect the city in the case of a breach of state law pertaining to protected information.
  • The meeting was briefly interrupted, Keith Vincent, a Villas resident, and the consultant planning on working with Councilmember Holdaway sought to comment on what Mr. Ellis had said. Mayor Fullmer called the meeting back to order and commented on the need for decorum during the meeting. She also wanted to clarify for the public, that the document had no names on it and that it was meant to be utilized by any of the members of the council and not just Councilmember Holdaway.
  • There was subsequent discussion on the value of the agreement and if Councilmember Holdaway was satisfied with the draft. The other councilmembers were in agreement that because it was his request that necessitated the drafting of the document, that Councilmember Holdaway’s input was vital in moving forward with a resolution.
  • Mayor Fullmer asked if Councilmember Holdaway felt the item before them was meaningful to him and if he would like to motion on it. He stated that during conversations with the State Auditor that he had been told numerous times that there was nowhere in state code that allows the council to require such a document and that rather it was another delay tactic. Mayor Fullmer disagreed, stating that she had been on the same phone call with Mr. Oveson and that he had never stated that.
  • Councilmember Holdaway stated that he had recorded that meeting and wanted to know if he had the council’s approval to make it public.
  • Motion: COUNCILMEMBER HOLDAWAY MOVED TO MAKE PUBLIC A RECORDED CONVERSATION OF A MEETING THAT TOOK PLACE ON APRIL25, WITH CITY STAFF, MAYOR FULLMER, COUNCILMEMBER HOLDAWAY AND SETH OVESON WITH THE STATE AUDITOR’S OFFICE. THERE WAS NO SECOND AND MOTION FAILED.
  • Motion: COUNCILMEMBER HOLDAWAY MOVED TO APPROVE CONSENT ITEM3 AS PRESENTED. COUNCILMEMBER SIFUENTES SECONDED THE MOTION. MAYOR FULLMER AND COUNCILMEMBERS CAMERON, SIFUENTES, CLAWSON AND HOLDAWAY VOTED YES. THE MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.          APPOINTMENTS/REMOVALS          BUSINESSITEMS1.   PUBLICHEARING-ConsolidatedFeeScheduleAmendment(Resolution2025-) ParksandRecreationDirectorBrianVawdreywillpresentaproposedamendmentto the Consolidated Fee Schedule. The mayor and City Council will act to adopt (or deny) this request by resolution.
  • Motion: COUNCILMEMBER SIFUENTES MOVED TO CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING UNTIL THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEETING ON MAY,25. COUNCILMEMBER CAMERON SECONDED THE MOTION. MAYOR FULLMER AND COUNCILMEMBERS CAMERON, SIFUENTES, CLAWSON, AND HOLDAWAY VOTED YES. THE MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.
  • The Council took a short break at26 PM.
  • The meeting resumed at45 PM.  2.   PUBLICHEARING-BondParametersResolution The purpose of the hearing is to receive input from the public with respect to (a) the issuance of that portion of the Series25 Bonds issued under the Act and (b) any potential economic impact that the Project to be financed with the proceeds of that portion of the Series25 Bonds issued under the Act may have on the private sector. Followingthecloseofthepublichearing,themayorandCityCouncilwilldiscussand possibly act on Resolution25-15 -25 Bond Parameters Resolution.
  • Laura Lewis with LRB gave a short presentation and explanation on the public hearing and a summary of where in the process of bonding the city was currently.
  • Councilmember Holdaway had a question concerning sales tax growth rate.
  • Ms. Lewis continued her presentation.
  • Councilmember Clawson asked about sales tax revenue allocation and the role that the state plays in the process. Ms. Lewis explained the process. A discussion ensued.
  • Mayor Fullmer gave a brief overview of the bond process leading up to the public hearing.
  • Motion: COUNCILMEMBER SIFUENTES MOVED TO ENTER INTO A PUBLIC HEARING AT06 PM. COUNCILMEMBER CAMERON SECONDED THE MOTION. MAYOR FULLMER AND COUNCILMEMBERS CAMERON, SIFUENTES, CLAWSON AND HOLDAWAY VOTED YES. THE MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.
  • Julie Gray, living in The Villas subdivision, asked questions regarding MAG (Mountainland Association of Governments) as well as current city staffing levels and what actions the city had taken to accommodate the growth of city staff.
  • Barbara Porter, living in the Hamptons, suggested that instead of a city center the city should purchase several houses for staff as a short-term solution. She commented that the city should save money and build the city center at a later date.
  • Mayor Fullmer asked a clarifying question, she wanted to know if Ms. Porter had a specific figure or metric in mind when she stated that city should wait until it is financially stronger. Ms. Porter did not but stated that she teaches her children not to live in a house that was taking all their money. Ms. Porter commented on the state of some of the equipment in Grove Park as well as the splash pad that she felt was not as good comparatively with those of other cities.
  • Karston Walker, resident of Orem, read a message from fellow Orem Resident John Barrick.
  • Darlene Price, living in The Villas subdivision, asked for clarification on what businesses were slated to be in Vineyard. She also asked about the repayment of the bonds with sales tax revenue and what would happen if the city was not able to make that payment due to loss of revenue.
  • Karen Cornelius, living in The Villas subdivision, shared that she was worried about the use of the word “anticipate.” She was concerned that there were not enough formal agreements in place for the city to move forward with bonding.
  • Justin Jones, living in The Meadows subdivision, stated that he agreed with the concerns raised by Ms. Cornelius. However, he felt confident in the data presented by LRB that showed that the city would still be able to make its payments with apercent growth rate in sales tax revenue.
  • Bryce Brady, living in The Elms Subdivision, disagreed with the temporary answers to staff overcrowding. He stated that putting them in trailers was not a good way to ensure the city retained experienced staff. He saw the current and future benefits of building a city center. He was concerned that it was too big and wanted a more modest design and price tag.
  • Marcus Jessup, living in The Garden subdivision, wanted to know if operational cost had been accounted for and would the city be able to afford the ongoing costs once the center was built. He wanted to know what ways the city could take to reduce the overall cost.
  • Annika Barkdull, living in The Lochs subdivision, wanted to know if the city did not move forward with the city center if the land that was being donated would go away or was it something the city could build on still at a future date. Additionally, she wanted to know if MAG would be a part owner or would it just be a lease agreement. She also asked for clarification on current emergency reserves as there had been some discussion about whether the city had enough. Lastly, she wanted to know if there were any alternative plans in which the proposed center would be smaller but more modular in a way that would support future growth.
  • Seeing no further comments, Mayor Fullmer invited Ms. Lewis and Brad Patterson with the firm Gilmore Bell (acting as the city’s bond counsel) to answer questions raised during public comment.
  • Before addressing specific questions, Mayor Fullmer asked Mr. Ellis to give a brief overview of the city’s current staff levels.
  • City Manager Eric Ellis commented on staff levels and the challenges the city had been facing in housing all the staff as well as meeting its service requirements and the needs of residents. He also commented on the modularity question asked by Ms. Barkdull.
  • Mayor Fullmer mentioned Ms. Porter’s comments regarding the parks and splash pad operations. Mr. Ellis explained that the parks department had up to nine staff members sharing two offices and that the limited space made it difficult to hire additional park staff.
  • Mayor Fullmer asked Ms. Lewis to answer questions raised by Councilmember Holdaway regarding sales tax revenue and the impact of Housing and Transit Reinvestment Zones (HTRZ’s). Ms. Lewis gave clarification on the issue and a discussion ensued.
  • Mayor Fullmer restated the remaining questions asked during the public hearing and asked Ms. Lewis to respond. Ms. Lewis, along with Mr. Ellis, answered the remaining questions. There was a discussion about sales tax revenue projections and debt service coverage as well as the effects of inflation as it pertained to property taxes.
  • Mayor Fullmer addressed the question raised by Mr. Jessup regarding planning for operational costs as well as the question by Ms. Barkdull regarding the emergency reserves. Mr. Ellis stated that those costs had been factored in. Ms. Bayles provided an overview of the current city funds.
  • Councilmember Sifuentes stated she felt there were still some questions asked by the public that had not yet been answered. There was a short discussion, and further answers provided to those questions.
  • Motion: COUNCILMEMBER SIFUENTES MOVED TO CLOSE PUBLIC HEARING at08 PM. COUNCILMEMBER CAMERON SECONDED. MAYOR FULLMER AND COUNCILMEMBERS CAMERON, SIFUENTES, CLAWSON AND HOLDAWAY VOTED YES. THE MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY
  • Mayor Fullmer stated that the current planning was at percent and that there was still time for additional planning and education. She felt that although there would be an additional cost associated with waiting to build that it would be worth it to have better understanding from the public.
  • Councilmember Sifuentes felt that questions posed during the public hearing indicated a lack of education on the part of the city. She was concerned that there was not the amount of community buy in that she wanted there to be in order to feel comfortable moving forward. She expressed support for the bonding process and that it would be more affordable compared to waiting until later.
  • Councilmember Clawson shared Councilmember Sifuentes’s concerns regarding outreach and the need to get further public buy in.
  • Councilmember Cameron expressed her frustration with what she viewed as continual misinformation regarding the bond. She stated that facts had been skewed to a point where the public was not able to understand what was being shared.
  • Mayor Fullmer felt that there was still an option to continue the planning phase, that everyone agreed that the city was growing and there was a need for more space for staff, and she wanted the community to feel more involved in the planning process.
  • Councilmember Sifuentes said that she wanted to make it clear that she felt that while it was important to keep planning that she did not want it to be planning for the same building, rather that it should be focused on reducing the overall cost.
  • Mayor Fullmer felt that the council was leaning towards a reconsidering of the bond parameters resolution and asked for a motion. Councilmember Sifuentes asked for clarification on the proposed motion and Mr. Blakesley explained the motion in greater detail.
  • Motion: COUNCILMEMBER SIFUENTES MOVED TO RECONSIDER RESOLUTION25-15 THE25 BOND PARAMETERS RESOLUTION. COUNCILMEMBER HOLDAWAY SECONDED THE MOTION. MAYOR FULLMER AND COUNCILMEMBERS CAMERON, SIFUENTES, CLAWSON AND HOLDAWAY VOTED YES. THE MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.
  • Motion: COUNCILMEMBER SIFUENTES MOVED TO CANCEL RESOLUTION25-15. COUNCILMEMBER CLAWSON SECONDED THE MOTION. THE ROLL CALL VOTE WAS AS FOLLOWS: MAYOR FULLMER, AND COUNCILMEMBERS CAMERON, SIFUENTES, CLAWSON AND HOLDAWAY VOTED YES. THE MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.  3.   PUBLICHEARING–TransferfromEnterpriseFundstoInternalServices Fund FinanceDirectorKristieBayleswillpresentrecommendationstotransferenterprise funds to an internal service fund to pay for services such as facilities, fleet, and information systems. The City Council will hear public comment regarding these recommended transfers. No action will be taken.
  • Motion: COUNCILMEMBER CLAWSON MOVED TO ENTER A PUBLIC HEARING AT25 PM. COUNCILMEMBER SIFUENTES SECONDED THE MOTION. MAYOR FULLMER AND COUNCILMEMBERS CAMERON, SIFUENTES, CLAWSON AND HOLDAWAY VOTED YES. THE MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.
  • Finance Director Kristie Bayles presented on the transfer of Enterprise Funds to an Internal Services Fund.   Mayor Fullmer called for public comments. Hearing none, she called for a motion to close the public hearing.
  • Motion: COUNCILMEMBER SIFUENTES MOVED TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT27 PM. COUNCILMEMBER CAMERON SECONDED THE MOTION. MAYOR FULLMER AND COUNCILMEMBERS CAMERON, SIFUENTES, CLAWSON AND HOLDAWAY VOTED YES. THE MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.  4.   Discussion and Action - Proposed Tentative Fiscal Year25-2026 Budget Finance Director Kristie Bayles will present the Tentative Fiscal Year25-2026 Budget.TheMayorandCityCouncilwillacttoadopt(ordeny)theproposedtentative budget and set a public hearing for May,25.
  • Mayor Fullmer turned time over to Ms. Bayles who presented on the proposed tentative budget.
  • Councilmember Holdaway said he wanted to clarify statements regarding his receipt of the ledger and a side conversation with Ms. Bayles, held during the recess earlier in the meeting. A discussion ensued.
  • Motion: COUNCILMEMBER SIFUENTES MOVED TO APPROVE THE PROPOSED TENTATIVE FISCAL YEAR25-2026 BUDGET AS PRESENTED AND TO SET A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE MAY,25, CITY COUNCIL MEETING. COUNCILMEMBER CAMERON SECONDED THE MOTON. THE ROLL CALL VOTE WAS AS FOLLOWS: MAYOR FULLMER, AND COUNCILMEMBERS CAMERON, SIFUENTES, CLAWSON AND HOLDAWAY VOTED YES. THE MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.  5.   PUBLIC HEARING - Vineyard Zoning Code Update (Ordinance25-03)Senior Planner Cache Hancey will propose multiple changes throughout the Vineyard ZoningCode.ThemayorandCityCouncilwillacttorecommendapproval(ordenial) of the zoning text amendment by ordinance.
  • Motion: COUNCILMEMBER SIFUENTES MOVED TO ENTER INTO A PUBLIC HEARING AT40 PM. COUNCILMEMBER CLAWSON SECONDED THE MOTION. MAYOR FULLMER AND COUNCILMEMBERS CAMERON, SIFUENTES, CLAWSON AND HOLDAWAY VOTED YES. THE MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.
  • Senior Planner Cache Hancey presented on the proposed zoning code update.   Mayor Fullmer called for public comments.
  • Ms. Barkdull asked for clarification on Pay Day Loan businesses. Mr. Hancey replied that the zoning was proactive in nature. A discussion ensued.
  • Ms. Porter asked about public art and if it was required of all businesses. Mr. Hancey explained that project features like that would be discussed during the design phase with the Planning Commission.   Mayor Fullmer called for further comments. Hearing none, she called for a motion to close the public hearing.
  • Motion: COUNCILMEMBER CLAWSON MOVED TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT55 PM. COUNCILMEMBER CAMERON SECONDED THE MOTION. MAYOR FULLMER AND COUNCILMEMBERS CAMERON, SIFUENTES, CLAWSON AND HOLDAWAY VOTED YES. THE MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.
  • Motion: COUNCILMEMBER SIFUENTES MOVED TO MOVE ORDINANCE25-03 TO A FUTURE MEETING. COUNCILMEMBER CLAWSON SECONDED THE MOTION. MAYOR FULLMER AND COUNCILMEMBERS CAMERON, SIFUENTES, CLAWSON AND HOLDAWAY VOTED YES. THE MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.  6.   PUBLICHEARING-VineyardDowntownSpecialPurposeDistrictZoningText Amendment (Ordinance25-04) Applicant Initiated Zoning Text Amendment. Bronson Tatton with Flagborough has requested a recommendation for a zoning text amendment that would affect the DowntownVineyard(TownCenter)SpecialPurposeZoningDistrict.Themayorand CityCouncil willacttoadopt (ordeny) thisrequest by ordinance.
  • Motion: COUNCILMEMBER SIFUENTES MOVED TO ENTER A PUBLIC HEARING AT58 PM. COUNCILMEMBER CAMERON SECONDED THE MOTION. MAYOR FULLMER AND COUNCILMEMBERS CAMERON, SIFUENTES, CLAWSON AND HOLDAWAY VOTED YES. THE MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.
  • Bronson Tatton with Flagborough presented on the proposed Special Purpose District Zoning Text Amendment.
  • Mayor Fullmer asked if there were any questions from the public. Hearing none, she called for a motion to close the public hearing.
  • Motion: COUNCILMEMBER CLAWSON MOVED TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT:03 PM. COUNCILMEMBER CAMERON SECONDED THE MOTION. MAYOR FULLMER AND COUNCILMEMBERS CAMERON, SIFUENTES, CLAWSON AND HOLDAWAY VOTED YES. THE MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.
  • Motion: COUNCILMEMBER CAMERON MOVED TO APROVE ORDINANCE25-04, SPECIAL PURPOSE DISTRICT ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT. COUNCILMEMBER CLAWSON SECONDED THE MOTION. THE ROLL CALL VOTE WAS AS FOLLOWS: MAYOR FULLMER, AND COUNCILMEMBERS CAMERON, SIFUENTES, CLAWSON AND HOLDAWAY VOTED YES. THE MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.7.   ARCHCommissionRAPTaxGrantAwards(Resolution2025-22) ARCHCommissionChairJaromSidwellwillpresentrecommendationsfortheRAP Tax Grant Awards.
  • ARCH Commission Chair Jarom Sidwell presented the grant awards.
  • Mayor Fullmer wanted to know what would happen to award money if landowner approval was not obtained for certain projects. Parks and Recreation Director Brian Vawdrey said that the money would be reallocated, potentially to another applicant.
  • David Lauret, representing the Heritage Foundation, commented that their group had received tentative approval from the landowner for their project.
  • Motion: COUNCILMEMBER CAMERON MOVED TO ADOPT RESOLUTION25-22, WITH THE STIPULATION THAT THE GROUP WORK WITH PLANNING AND ENGINEERING AS WELL AS THE REALLOCATION OF FUNDS IF THEY DO NOT RECEIVE FORMAL APPROVAL. COUNCILMEMBER CLAWSON SECONDED THE MOTION. THE ROLL CALL VOTE WAS AS FOLLOWS: MAYOR FULLMER, AND COUNCILMEMBERS CAMERON, SIFUENTES, CLAWSON AND HOLDAWAY VOTED YES. THE MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.  8.  -DayStayofVineyardCenterLongRange Planning
  • Councilmember Holdaway asked forclarification on the item.
  • Mr. Blakesley explained that the impetus for the agenda item was that during the last council meeting, Councilmember Holdaway wanted to propose a stay of all planning and construction work associated with the city center during the signature gathering phase of a referendum associated with the bond parameters resolution. He felt that since that resolution was just repealed and any associated referendum now considered null and void that the proposed stay was moot. .     CLOSEDSESSION There was no closed session during this meeting.   .     ADJOURNMENT Mayor Fullmer adjourned the meeting at:19 PM.   MINUTES APPROVED ON:     CERTIFIED CORRECT BY:                          TONY LARA, DEPUTY CITY RECORDER
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Transcript

All right, we're going to go ahead and start our regular City Council meeting. Today is May 14th, 2025 and the time is 608. 00:00:01
We're going to start with a presentation about our Transportation master plan. 00:00:11
And I believe Josh Gibbons will be presenting as called Josh. But then I was like. 00:00:16
Is that still right? 00:00:23
Yeah, OK. 00:00:25
Mayor, mayor, Council, it's great to be with you tonight. I'll go ahead and plug in here. 00:00:27
The agenda looks very full tonight, so we'll try to be brief. 00:00:34
And focus on. 00:00:37
The key updates in the plan so far. 00:00:40
Sorry, one more time. Yeah. Is that better? 00:00:52
OK. 00:00:59
OK, perfect. That's much better. Thank you. 00:01:06
Mayor Council, it's great to be with you tonight. 00:01:09
My name is Josh Givens and with Hales Engineering. 00:01:12
We're part of the team completing the Transportation Master plan. 00:01:14
Here with me, I have Jordy Barrett from our team also who's done a lot of the work on this. So grateful for his work on this. 00:01:18
We've been here a few times in the past year plus to present different updates. 00:01:24
We do have a draft plan complete and in the hands of staff for review. 00:01:31
And tonight we're planning, we're here to present on some updates in that plan so you know what's changed from what you've seen 00:01:35
before. 00:01:39
Tonight we'll kind of focus on different policies that we've added to the plan. 00:01:44
So you kind of know what's in there as well. 00:01:48
The goal tonight is to present this. Get any feedback you may have. 00:01:51
As we. 00:01:56
Look to do a final plan. 00:01:57
And then the plan is to be back here on June 11th to talk impact fees and have those be adopted. 00:01:59
Based on the capital facilities that are proposed in this master plan. 00:02:07
So within the master plan itself, really just to break it down simply, we have policies and standards for transportation. 00:02:12
In the city looking at future conditions as well to see what projects are needed. 00:02:20
And we look at projects for broadways, active transportation and transit. So that's really what's built into this. 00:02:25
And we'll touch on all of these items tonight just briefly. 00:02:32
So as far as policies that are in the plan, we have a few supplementary documents that go along with the plan itself. So. 00:02:37
There's an access management manual that we've developed with staff. 00:02:45
That really looks at the city's roads functional classification. 00:02:49
From arterial roads that carry a lot of traffic and have less access. Collector roads that have a mix of. 00:02:54
Mobility and access. 00:03:01
And down to your local roads which are meant for residential access. 00:03:03
The purpose of the Access Management manual really is to. 00:03:08
Set these roads apart so that we have different standards for each. 00:03:11
Making sure that on arterial roads we don't have as many access points. 00:03:16
That intersections are further spaced than kind of your collector and local roads. 00:03:22
And that on your collector and local roads, they're designed appropriately with the right safety measures. 00:03:27
To basically protect your residential streets right? That's why we have different Rd. types. 00:03:33
Is to put cars on the roads that we need them on. 00:03:38
But then keep them off the local roads as best we can to keep those safer and better for for residential living. 00:03:43
Another document document we have as part of the plan is Traffic Impact Study Guidelines. 00:03:51
And uh. 00:03:57
This master plan is really kind of high level, looking at the city's network as a whole. 00:03:58
These traffic impact studies will be important going forward as you have new developments come in. 00:04:03
These guidelines help determine how those studies are done. 00:04:08
So that you can understand the impact of individual developments and then. 00:04:12
Projects and improvements can be recommended for those projects. 00:04:17
To maintain, you know, good operations and good safety in the city. 00:04:22
We also have traffic calming guidelines. The city already has a good policy for this, but we've kind of expanded on it. 00:04:29
Added kind of more detail to the process. 00:04:36
As far as when, how an opportunity for traffic calming is identified. 00:04:40
How it can be requested by those at the city? 00:04:45
How it's reviewed and how it can be approved. 00:04:48
And so there's a detailed kind of checklist and an evaluation. 00:04:51
And how to prioritize. You know when we do traffic calming, what types of traffic calming measures we should do? 00:04:56
And that gives the city staff a good framework for that. 00:05:03
Also in the plan, a new update that we haven't shared quite yet is with this group, I guess is typical cross sections. 00:05:10
And so we've developed typical cross sections for different for each functional classification. 00:05:18
From local roads up to collectors and arterials. 00:05:23
And you know, these are typical and ideal as far as the measurements that are shown on these. 00:05:26
But in specific cases, if there's not enough right away or if there's different specific needs. 00:05:33
They can not be modified as needed. 00:05:39
But generally we want to try to follow these the best we can. 00:05:41
We've updated them from previous cross sections, kind of based on the current Rd. sizing across the city. 00:05:44
And then also bringing in some national standards to make sure we have appropriate lane widths and shoulder and different elements 00:05:52
there. 00:05:55
I'm just going to thumb through a couple of these examples. 00:06:00
So for example, this is the major arterial Rd. 00:06:03
Cross section that's in the plan currently. 00:06:08
And so this would represent, you know, kind of like the north part of Main Street. 00:06:12
Part of Mill Rd. as well, where there's two lanes per direction. 00:06:17
You know on Mill Rd. you have more of like a two way left turn lane in the middle with yellow striping. 00:06:22
But of course on Main Street you have more of the landscape median. So both are options kind of depending on the context of what 00:06:26
what you want to achieve on a Rd. 00:06:30
So that's the major arterial. 00:06:35
Here's one example of a collector Rd. the major collector, where it's one lane per direction. 00:06:37
With that kind of center turn area. 00:06:43
And so you can see all the different elements here from lanes to shoulder. 00:06:46
Park, strip, Sidewalk. 00:06:50
So, OK. And then beyond the policy and kind of standards in the plan? 00:06:52
A big part of the plan is to identify future needs in the city for vehicles, pedestrians, transit users. 00:06:59
And so we looked at it in different horizon years. 00:07:08
We started this process in 2023, so that's our baseline. 00:07:12
2033 is that kind of 10 year period from the baseline that sets your standard for impact fees, which we'll get into in the in the 00:07:15
next meeting. 00:07:19
A little bit more. 00:07:24
And then 2050 is your long term view and that matches the regional planning. 00:07:25
In the area as far as kind of a 25 year outlook at this point? 00:07:30
So what we've done and we've discussed this in previous meetings, but essentially we use the travel demand model from MAG locally 00:07:37
that they use. 00:07:41
We input all of the land uses we expect of these different horizon years. 00:07:46
To estimate future traffic volumes. 00:07:50
Now just for today, I wanted to show kind of the 2050 outlook for level of service. 00:07:55
We've discussed this in the past, but level of service is a measure of operations and congestion. 00:08:01
Where we want to be in the kind of the A through D range as an acceptable range. 00:08:06
Once it gets to E&F, that's where we want to look at improvement, so. 00:08:10
Without, without any changes, you know, with the growth in the city. 00:08:14
We would expect congestion on on different roadways such as Vineyard Connector. 00:08:18
1600 NA little bit on Geneva Rd. as well. 00:08:23
So based on these results, and we've talked about this a little bit, we've developed a project list. 00:08:27
Here's a map of those projects. 00:08:32
Just to highlight a few of these and let me grab the laser pointer. 00:08:35
To highlight the key ones you know a big one is a future bridge into the downtown area. 00:08:40
At the kind of a 1200 N alignment. So that's part of the plan here. 00:08:46
One that we've talked about quite a bit with staff and, and, and the city is. 00:08:51
You know, potential connections at other locations. 00:08:56
Such as 400 N shown here. 00:09:01
The alignment has changed slightly from this image, so that will be updated in the plan. 00:09:05
And then other other roads. 00:09:10
Such as? 00:09:13
Future intersection improvements. 00:09:16
Umm, one that we've talked about recently that I'll, I'll mention tonight. 00:09:18
This project 2-3 that's listed here. 00:09:22
Umm, we talked about in previous meetings. It's a challenging spot at 600 N and Main Street. It's hard for people to turn left out 00:09:27
of there. 00:09:30
We looked at different options, you know, roundabout left turn restrictions. 00:09:33
What we've come back to that's currently being talked about is a potential traffic signal there. 00:09:38
We, we've, we've modeled it pretty thoroughly there. It's pretty close to Vineyard Connector, you know, maybe closer than typical 00:09:45
for spacing between signals. 00:09:49
But actually we can get it to work really well there and so. 00:09:54
That's the current side in the plan. Is a traffic signal at that spot. 00:09:57
Yeah. And those are kind of the, the highlights I'd say of of projects in the area. 00:10:04
A lot of these are projects for new roads that are already planned, of course. 00:10:09
But wanted to point those couple out. 00:10:14
One that's on here that I'll point out here in a little bit more detail on this map. 00:10:17
This is the current regional transportation plan for BAG. 00:10:22
Showing different roadways, the red roads are more of freeway facilities. 00:10:25
Orange are kind of high level arterial or Expressway type roads. 00:10:30
So this is the current plan. 00:10:35
One thing that we've talked about with with the city as we worked on this plan, of course, is looking at improvements to this. 00:10:38
The the current plan would be to have a lot of traffic come right through Vineyard. 00:10:47
On Vineyard Connector. 00:10:52
And tie back to Geneva Road and I-15 like this. 00:10:53
Knowing the impact that would have on the city the the thought in this master plan. 00:10:57
Is to switch that alignment. 00:11:02
To something more like this, where we shift the major focus, the major flow of traffic. 00:11:04
Umm along kind of a 1600 N alignment and then down Geneva Rd. like this. 00:11:11
To create a nice parallel route, type 15. 00:11:16
Going through the city and while going on the outside of the city outside, I'd say. 00:11:19
Otherwise, you know, there would be certain impacts to Vineyard City and. 00:11:24
Especially you know, on this alignment separating. 00:11:28
Current Vineyard development from the downtown area. 00:11:32
And so the goal of this is to get it where it should be going, on a parallel route on a major facility that already exists. 00:11:35
So in the end, this would kind of be the future roadway network map that's currently in the plan. 00:11:46
Dashed roads here, shown in Sorry the future Rd. shown in a dashed line here. 00:11:52
There's a lot of colors and I apologize it's a little small to see here but. 00:11:59
Kind of the red and orange roads would be kind of more arterial roads and then blue roads would be collectors. 00:12:03
You can see. 00:12:11
We've outlined current spots where there are traffic signals or roundabouts. 00:12:13
And we have. 00:12:18
Kind of dashed boxes shown potential future intersection controls. 00:12:21
Those aren't set in stone, but I. 00:12:25
That our ideas for future intersection control. 00:12:28
So as I mentioned, you know as we discuss it more at 600 N that could be a signal that we could add to this map before final. 00:12:32
Finalizing the plan. 00:12:39
This is a map of the active transportation projects. 00:12:43
The city already had a great active transportation plan, so a lot of these are from that plan. 00:12:47
But we've added a few other connections where we saw, you know, there were gaps potentially in the network. 00:12:53
But overall it was already a pretty complete network of trails, bike lanes, and whatnot to. 00:12:59
Connect the city. Connect the future downtown to the current. 00:13:06
South area. 00:13:09
This is a map of transit projects that could be considered. 00:13:14
And that that, you know, the city wants to look for. 00:13:17
The the yellow, you know, really just represents the current front runner line that will eventually turn into a double tracked 00:13:21
line all the way, you know, through the valley. 00:13:25
There's the red lines that represent potential bus rapid transit routes that would connect down to UVU. 00:13:30
And the current UVX line that's down there. 00:13:37
And also on 800 N, going out to State Street and beyond. 00:13:39
The green dashed line is kind of focused around that downtown core area. 00:13:45
Just to mark the need for a future study and further study of a potential circulator. 00:13:51
Really a lot of the downtown areas that are popping up in Utah and in other states. 00:13:57
You know, there's, there's they've seen benefits to have a circulator route, whether it be bus or shuttle. 00:14:03
Some have talked about automated shuttles to be innovative there, but that would require further study to see what could be done 00:14:10
there and what the route would be specifically. 00:14:14
And then? 00:14:19
One thing I will point out, the blue line is a potential light rail alignment. 00:14:21
That has changed a little bit in recent months, you know, as we've talked about feasibility on current on other routes. 00:14:25
But the current route we're showing in the plan would be a light rail to come down Geneva Rd. 00:14:32
Crossover on 12 N and then come S along the. 00:14:37
The current front runner line as well. 00:14:41
There's a lot of further study to do there as well. 00:14:44
But that's what we currently have in the plan. 00:14:47
OK. So next steps you know is to wrap up other documents like the capital facilities and impact the plan. 00:14:51
That goes through another document called the Impact Fee analysis, which tells the city what. 00:14:59
Kind of impact fee they can charge for future growth. 00:15:04
And we're just wrapping those up right now to submit to staff. 00:15:07
And then the plan is to come back here on June 11 to talk impact fees in detail and for your approval and adoption. 00:15:11
Any questions on any of that information? 00:15:20
Any questions so far on any of the changes? 00:15:23
That you sing. 00:15:27
Anything that you've. 00:15:30
See before the 11th. 00:15:32
I noticed on your. 00:15:36
Chart where you showed future congestion, Yeah. 00:15:37
But you didn't have a lot of our proposed plans, like you didn't have the 1200 N overpass. Is there a way to factor that in to see 00:15:42
what that will leave us? 00:15:47
Yes, yeah. So that is in the plan. What I showed tonight was a number build condition without the projects, but certainly in the 00:15:53
plan we have the up built condition with them. OK, thank you. 00:15:57
All right. Thank you so much for coming and presenting. And it's good to see some of the changes that we've been working on 00:16:03
incorporated into the document. So looking forward to our next meeting. Counselor, if you want to schedule a meeting before that 00:16:10
time to become more familiar with some of the changes, please reach out to Eric and he can facilitate that. 00:16:17
We'll go ahead and move on to our next work session. 00:16:25
This is the Utah State code. 00:16:28
63G-2 Government Records Access and Management Act. 00:16:31
And our city recorder. 00:16:36
Pam Spencer will lead in this discussion. 00:16:38
Thank you Mayor and Council for. 00:16:42
It's opportunity to talk grandma. 00:16:44
The Government Records Access Management Act. 00:16:47
Better known as the records request. 00:16:50
I'm going to just be brief, give me a brief summary. I'm not gonna do my normal. 00:16:53
Hour to two hour presentation on grandma because they could go that long. 00:16:58
So, umm. 00:17:02
But just just some things. 00:17:06
Just some quick things is that this act is put into place so that the public have access to documents. 00:17:08
But there are things in there that protect. 00:17:15
Certain types of documents. Certain types of records that are in there as well. 00:17:19
The key thing, the thing that was requested at the last council meeting, is to discuss. 00:17:24
Charging of records requests. 00:17:29
And then I have received an e-mail requesting specific. 00:17:32
Breakdown of that and. 00:17:36
I've decided to do. 00:17:41
In the report and give it to you. 00:17:44
So really, that was my quit. 00:17:47
That's what drama is all about. I do have the right. 00:17:49
To charge 4 records request. 00:17:53
Depending on how long it's going to take to gather the information that's requested. 00:17:57
It does state in the code that we need to charge by the lowest. 00:18:02
Hourly pay rate of the person that can do the work. 00:18:07
So we have. 00:18:11
The person can't do that work and that somebody else has to do it. 00:18:12
And where you need to charge that rate and which is what I've been doing. This is a practice I've been doing for years. 00:18:16
But what I want you guys to know, I did a breakdown for the last. 00:18:22
2 1/2 years. 00:18:25
Of what I've done and what the Recorders Office has done. 00:18:28
And I'm just going to read that for you as to what we've done. 00:18:31
There were 20 in 2023. 00:18:35
There were 28 records requests submitted. 00:18:37
Twelve of which were responsive. 00:18:41
Which had responsive records mainly we were able to give them the records that they needed. 00:18:44
16 were denied. 00:18:49
Most of those were denied due the fact that we were not the keepers of those records. 00:18:51
So where we contract with outside departments? 00:18:57
They are the keepers of those records. So we're on fire. The police, the Sheriff's Department, those types of things. Alpine 00:19:00
School District, even we had one for that. 00:19:04
So in 2023, according to my records, I charged no one. 00:19:10
For a records request. 00:19:15
There were no charges. 00:19:17
Requested I it says in a cloud. One thing I skipped is that we're not allowed to charge for the 1st 15 minutes worth of work. But 00:19:19
I err on the side of if we've got electronic and we can find it quickly I'll go up to an hour. 00:19:25
Before I'll charge somebody for something. 00:19:32
So, um. 00:19:35
In 2024. 00:19:38
There were 58 records requests so you can see the jump. 00:19:40
And how many records requests were received? 00:19:43
33 of which were responsive, meaning we answered them. 00:19:46
14 were denied, same thing. Most of those were because we didn't have the records. 00:19:50
Nine, there were partial approvals or denials of what I'm calling them. 00:19:57
Meaning we have the records but I had to either redact they were private. 00:20:00
Protected, controlled, confidential for some reason that I could not release some of those records, so they were. 00:20:05
Most of those are redacted, Which? 00:20:12
Can happen just because of the. 00:20:15
Of their classification. 00:20:17
So that was done. So we have and then we had. 00:20:20
9 No, I did that one already. One was closed due to the lack of the response from the requester. 00:20:23
If I reach out to them, ask them additional questions. 00:20:29
Those types of things. 00:20:33
And they don't respond. I give it so much time. I might even reach out twice. 00:20:34
Sometimes three times and if they don't respond then I close the request. 00:20:39
There was, and then one requester at that time last year rescinded their request. 00:20:44
So there were. 00:20:50
4 requests which I considered voluminous. 00:20:53
Meaning that it was going to take us many hours to gather the information they requested. 00:20:58
The key thing when people are requesting records, if they say any and all communication by any and all staff council. 00:21:03
ETC. That's a voluminous request, and what we do is we reach out to them, we ask them if they're willing to narrow that down. 00:21:10
And if they are, then we work in the parameters that they've given us. 00:21:18
Umm, I have some breakdowns on a couple of them. There was one that took us several months to do. It would have cost over $2000. 00:21:25
To fulfill if with a charged. 00:21:33
The person for it. 00:21:36
Are we talking about the grammar or the talking about the process one? OK. 00:21:37
So that one, there were some glitches with our IT and that's why it's a little longer. 00:21:43
There was one where we charged and you wanted to break, requested the culture. Jake. Jake did Councilmember Holdaway. Let me 00:21:50
rephrase that. 00:21:54
Councilmember Holdaway requested that one. It would if we were charging council members for records request, but it cost over 00:21:59
$2000. 00:22:03
In that's the hourly rate, but staff time can be 40 to 80 hours. 00:22:07
Above and beyond our regular work. 00:22:13
So then we had one that requested some landscaping contract information. We charged them. 00:22:18
$133.64 And he paid that. 00:22:23
We had one that requested that any and all communications. 00:22:28
About. 00:22:33
Comments on social media. 00:22:36
If I have to give an estimated charge of $1200. 00:22:38
Asked him to narrow it down. He narrowed it down and gave him an estimate of. 00:22:42
Of $500 he refused to pay, but he also refused to go through the denial process. There's a process. 00:22:47
That everyone needs to go through. That's in the code. 00:22:54
When I deny something, regardless of what it is, I can deny a fee waiver. I can deny an expedited request. 00:22:57
I can deny the records and then I put in the wording that they need to contact. The next step is to contact the city manager. 00:23:03
And appeal there and then the next step after that if. 00:23:10
Is to go to the records committee, which is now going to be a hearing. 00:23:14
Records officers, Is that what they're calling it? Yeah. 00:23:18
Then it'll be a representative who's an attorney that. 00:23:20
Um, for lunch. Proficient. 00:23:24
Good word for that. I can't remember what the code says anyway in the grammar law. 00:23:27
So that they understand it all. 00:23:31
So that's the one change that happened this year that it won't be a committee anymore, which as you guys know, we've gone to the 00:23:32
records committee, so. 00:23:36
That does happen. 00:23:40
So then he narrowed it down and just wanted two people. Well, one of those people. 00:23:43
Didn't work in the time frame that they had the other person did. We were going to charge him $111. 00:23:48
To research those records when you refuse to pay. So we closed the request. He didn't go through the denial process. 00:23:54
There's a 30 day denial period that they can go through. 00:24:01
And he didn't do that. 00:24:05
Then the next request, another one for Councilmember Holloway. 00:24:06
We would have charged him $150.00 if we were charging for it for our time. What was the topic on that one? That one was the Y2. 00:24:11
Analytics. 00:24:21
Yep, and and just understand sometimes it's how the requests are written. 00:24:24
And we do reach out to people and ask them if they'd like to modify it. 00:24:29
Because sometimes we don't want to charge people for records requests, but if it's going to take us a long time to research 00:24:33
something then then we need to charge them. 00:24:39
For it. And like I said, they can go through the appeals process. 00:24:45
So this year so far we have 31 records requests. 00:24:48
That are being submitted. 00:24:53
13 were responsible and we had records to give them. 00:24:55
Two withdrew their request. 00:24:59
Three, we deny because we didn't have the records, and then nine were the partial approval denial because I had to redact, we had 00:25:01
to reduct things. 00:25:05
So we had. 00:25:09
Requests for the cybersecurity for the RFP's for the proposals from the RFP. 00:25:11
Now we have to make sure there's nothing private or protected or controlled in those. 00:25:17
And so I was. 00:25:21
Charging them $100. 00:25:22
Two of them withdrew because they didn't have the authority to approve the cost for it. I did give them some of the records, so 00:25:24
that's why it was a partial. 00:25:28
On that one. 00:25:34
One. Then we also had one for the umm. 00:25:35
The building estimate for the vineyards. 00:25:40
Center design, they are willing to pay. We're working on getting that done. 00:25:43
And they're willing to pay $100, the $100 that I'm charging to go through and redact. 00:25:48
All those ones we had another request. 00:25:54
Some of these are confidential. A little confidential. 00:25:58
But our electronic communications between certain individuals and accounts, different accounts, estimated cost on this one because 00:26:01
of the way they worded it and what they were asking for is very specific. 00:26:07
Was almost $10,000. It was $9500 is what the estimate was on it. 00:26:14
How long it was going to take to find everything in to go through everything? They asked. 00:26:19
That one was. 00:26:23
Clothes put on hold by the requester. 00:26:24
What was the topic on that one? 00:26:28
I'd rather not. 00:26:31
Discuss that right now you could repeat what you just said. It was a request between names and. 00:26:32
For electronic communication between certain individuals and accounts. 00:26:39
Staff meaning staff. It was a request for staff. 00:26:43
Information. 00:26:47
Emails. All kinds of communications. 00:26:50
So there's lots of types of communication, so. 00:26:52
That's why it takes a long time to do things and to go through and try. 00:26:56
See if anything is confidential, that means redacted in it. 00:26:59
So that's that's that one. We had the request that you talked about last time with the state auditor stuff. 00:27:03
I want to clarify that. 00:27:08
He with the way he worded his request, it was one of those between. 00:27:11
The auditor's office and any Vineyard staff, elected officials, etc. So we asked him to narrow it down. I gave him an estimate of 00:27:16
$400. 00:27:20
Because it was a specific thing topic which made it easier. 00:27:25
I asked him. He said he wanted to modify the request. I gave him a. 00:27:29
Oh I didn't write it in here, sorry. I gave him a modified amount of like 150 or something. 00:27:35
But then when he called me and we talked on the phone about it, he says, I'm new to this. I'm not sure. I wasn't sure what I was 00:27:39
doing. 00:27:42
And he said, And we're going to resend this request because we're not going to report on it. 00:27:46
So that's the update on that one. That's what happened up there. Then we did have one for the full general Ledger. 00:27:51
But they wanted from 2016 to 2024, we were told it was going to be about 8000 pages. That way I had to go through and redact 00:27:57
anything that we like, what we talked about last time with the late fees. 00:28:03
Youth getting scholarship awards and a few other things like that, that we'd have to go through that many pages. And so I was 00:28:09
going to charge them $2000. 00:28:14
Which I thought was pretty reasonable for the work that we were going to have to do. 00:28:18
Modify the request for two years. 00:28:22
I told them it would be $500, which is significantly less. 00:28:24
But there has been no response from the request before I closed the request. 00:28:30
Then there was one more. 00:28:35
I'll have two more apps that I wanted to bring up. 00:28:37
One was once again all electronic communications. Of course there was a date range on it. 00:28:40
And asked him if he wanted to modify the request from all. 00:28:46
All staff, all departments, everybody filled out that. 00:28:50
All-encompassing 1. 00:28:54
For the date range, we're going to charge $3200. 00:28:57
And. 00:29:00
We have not. He didn't want to modify it other than the date range. 00:29:02
And so we have not heard back from that one. So we're going to close that request. 00:29:07
One more from Jake. 00:29:11
Just so you know, you asked for the fuel. 00:29:13
Costs. What did you call it, the fleet? I can't. I did my fuel logs. 00:29:17
And it's taking about the same about 303 hours to do that. So we would have charged about $230. 00:29:21
If we were charging council members, but that's just the one, Like I said, we really don't charge. 00:29:29
Very often at all for records requests. 00:29:35
And we do. Or we. 00:29:38
We make sure. 00:29:40
That were staying within the law. 00:29:42
That we. 00:29:44
There's a reason for the charging it because when I have to go out to all staff. 00:29:45
Have to wait for them to get back to me with a yes or no. They even have the records before they even start to look for those 00:29:49
things. 00:29:52
Is there a way And I think we've discussed this before and I guess I just want to know the progress or the where we're, where 00:29:56
we've landed. 00:29:59
But specifically for the general Ledger is are we changing now kind of as we go? 00:30:03
With that like creating. 00:30:09
Better procedures where we're not including those kids names or. 00:30:13
There's there's no way to take them out. 00:30:17
When we put it together. 00:30:20
I think that's different from this. 00:30:22
Well, it's I feel like it applies because the general Ledger I've heard a couple of times, I mean Jakes brought up several times. 00:30:26
And so I was just wondering. 00:30:30
I know that there's information online that he can have. What I mean is I think it's a different person that would answer it. So 00:30:34
sorry, my request or Eric. Yeah. 00:30:39
There is a way and it's the reports that we submit quarterly to the transparent Utah. So the transparent Utah. 00:30:46
Program. 00:30:55
Allows our Polaris to interact with it as a single button. It trims out both specific names and summarizes scholarships for youth. 00:30:57
Instead of individual names. 00:31:05
And that particular file. 00:31:08
Includes everything in a trimmed down version so that it doesn't include those specific names. 00:31:10
And that's available to the public at all times, all year long and again reported quarterly. 00:31:17
So just to can I ask Jake a question? 00:31:23
If it has to do with this discussion. 00:31:27
Do you think there's a? 00:31:32
I don't know. Yes, you may have to do with this discussion. 00:31:33
Maybe I won't dive into it. 00:31:38
Let me, let me just OK. 00:31:40
I think you were hinting at this earlier, or maybe you said it and I. 00:31:44
Missed it, but do you have any specific advice for requesters on how they can make this or? 00:31:48
Specific so that they. 00:31:56
Don't run into a potential $9500. 00:31:59
Correct that one. 00:32:03
Will not change, but that one is totally different. But in general for the public, please don't say any and all communications 00:32:05
between any and all staff. 00:32:10
Maybe do a little voter work, think about who might have been working on it, and then if you don't get that, then you could submit 00:32:15
a second request for different type of staff. What it seems like too is that you walk into the process when they do submit 00:32:21
something. It seems like you have a good process for helping people find their path and so they can still make a choice. We do and 00:32:27
anything that is trans. 00:32:32
Is transparent that we have out there that they don't know is out there? We will send them links to it so that they can research 00:32:39
through things. I am trying to make it even more transparent when they want to look at things that were on an agenda and in the 00:32:43
minutes. 00:32:47
So they can actually. 00:32:52
Go into one of our code books. 00:32:53
Look at those agendas and minutes. 00:32:55
And actually be able to. 00:32:57
The agenda item and see if it's in there. 00:33:00
Silver. That's even more transparent for them. I can just send them to the code book. 00:33:02
And have them look through that. It's not really code, but it's in our code book section. 00:33:06
And so I'm trying and it's a work in progress. We've got all our resolutions and all of our ordinances are going in there as well 00:33:11
that that make. 00:33:15
Just the topic on them SO makes it searchable. 00:33:19
We're trying to do what we the best we can do to make it so that it's less work on everybody. 00:33:22
When they're asking for different things, we've got one in just this week. 00:33:28
Was it this week? 00:33:33
I don't know, it's a blur. Anyway, that's asking for a whole bunch of records, and a lot of those are links that I can actually 00:33:34
send them. 00:33:37
It's kind of what you've been able to accomplish and how you've taken all of our records and digitized them. And so we appreciate 00:33:41
the work that you've been. You're welcome. Still a work in progress, we're still working on it, but but to one of your comments. 00:33:47
OK. On the general Ledger? 00:33:54
The reason this person was being charged for it is because they said there were. 00:33:56
Details that they heard about that they couldn't get from the transparency website. 00:34:00
And so they wanted a more detailed version of it. 00:34:05
Can I explain to them how I'd be redacting and what types of things I would be redacting and why? For the charge that the time I 00:34:08
was told to be about 8000 pages. 00:34:12
So and then they narrowed it down to two years. So same thing, but they haven't responded. I have a different question. OK, so I, 00:34:17
I got the ledgers this morning, right? 00:34:22
Yes, and I'd identified the 8000 pages in 25 minutes. 00:34:28
Oh, I'm so glad you can do that. 00:34:33
That was the. But here's the thing. 00:34:36
Is that it's my job? 00:34:40
To certify to. 00:34:41
Right, Tell you what's private and protected my doctor do the reaction before it's given out publicly. And this is one of the big 00:34:43
discussions we've been having. 00:34:48
As to who should be giving these things out publicly and who shouldn't. And I know you have an agenda item today. 00:34:53
That will approve that as to who can those. 00:35:00
That aren't redacted can be given to right, but the loss of trust is when. 00:35:04
It's saying that it's 40 hours or 60 or 80 hours that I went back and listened. Here's what I'm gonna, here's what I'm gonna say 00:35:08
to this. 00:35:13
I don't think. I don't think that. 00:35:19
No, because it is such a simple. It's it's in Excel, it's very easy to search. 00:35:22
Grab what it is. 00:35:28
The identify it and remove on subject. I think something that would be appropriate for this discussion. 00:35:29
Would be to say. 00:35:35
I have a solution that I would like to share with you. 00:35:38
That we can work together on because it's possible that the way that you are reviewing it and redacting it according to how you've 00:35:42
identified your job as a council person. 00:35:47
Is different than the requirements and laws that Pam is required to go under. Now if you guys want to have a discussion at some 00:35:53
other point that is not here about how you can better. 00:35:59
Those processes and see if that works for the laws that Pam has to live in and under. 00:36:05
That is a meaningful conversation outside of this conversation because until you show them and they come into compliance and it 00:36:11
all makes sense, there can't be a lack of trust. It's just a difference of how you feel you accomplish something and how she is 00:36:16
required to do something. 00:36:21
And so that discussion cannot happen. Well, I also want to further verify that Seth. 00:36:27
The deputy state auditor also got it. 00:36:33
And he said it took him between 10 to 15 minutes to be identified. I love the idea if you want to bring stuff into that 00:36:36
conversation with him. I think she clearly identified that. It is her position that we have given her. And if you would like to be 00:36:42
productive and bring both yourself and Seth and Pam and our city manager to the table, you can have that discussion. But that is 00:36:48
not the discussion that we're having tonight. Well, no, we, we definitely need to have this in a public forum. And you can once 00:36:54
you've held that meeting, but. 00:37:00
Not what is on the agenda. And here's the thing, let's not delay it. 00:37:06
It's not, it's not on here. And here's here's The thing is this is just an estimate. 00:37:10
And we would never keep their money. 00:37:14
We'll go ahead and move forward. But back to this comment, I'm going to move forward from that comment. We're having a discussion. 00:37:47
We are not going to continue with that discussion because there is it's taking away from what we're actually discussing tonight. 00:37:53
We're talking about grandma and this is very specific and you had a one sided presentation tonight and one want to say this is the 00:37:59
truth. 00:38:05
Without allowing the other side. 00:38:11
To talk about what their experience was. I think we've identified your experiences, that you've done it differently. There's 00:38:13
multiple. I'd like to talk about every single instance because there's a completely different side. Can I call this point of 00:38:19
order? Yeah, sure. I just feel like we have staff in front of us. And I think some of the way your language is used, if it is 00:38:25
attacking her character, you're questioning how she's performing her job, and you're making it sound like she's trying to be 00:38:31
deceptive or unfair. 00:38:37
And so I'm just saying I would rather if you have a problem with a staff member, if they need to go into the closed session, I'm 00:38:43
completely comfortable with that. But I don't want staff members to feel like when they come to talk to our council that they have 00:38:49
to be ready to be break. Great point of order actually, Marty, and I'm going to uphold that. So let's go ahead and move forward. 00:38:55
If you have more things that you want to identify with how something is performed, we can go into a closed session. 00:39:02
They have that opportunity. It is on our agenda. Otherwise, let's go ahead. And this needs to be done in the public. I'd rather. 00:39:08
Well, if you have questions that aren't attacking. 00:39:15
Let's take. Let's take path #1 then. 00:39:20
And we'll have Eric facilitate a meeting. 00:39:24
All right. Thank you. I did have one other question for you though. Will you please repeat the numbers this year you said it was 00:39:26
31. We already have 31 records request submitted this year. In 1313, we were we were able to respond to. 00:39:33
Two withdrew their request. 00:39:40
Three we denied. 00:39:43
For mostly it's because we don't have the records. 00:39:45
We're not the keepers of those records. 00:39:49
And nine were either partial approval denial because we had to do reduction or. 00:39:51
We then have some of the records that they were requesting. 00:39:55
OK. Thank you. OK. 00:39:58
Thank you. Thank you. We appreciate you. 00:40:00
All right, we're going to go ahead and move into a public comment session. This is a time for you to address the City Council that 00:40:02
are not on the agenda. 00:40:06
We have a really lengthy attendance, so if you keep any comments that are on the agenda. 00:40:10
I mean, if there's agenda items, please refrain. 00:40:16
From speaking backwards, unless of course you have something that you want to note in the consent agenda that isn't something that 00:40:19
you can talk to us about. Please raise your hand if you're going to present a comment to us for this portion of the. 00:40:25
Night. 00:40:31
All right, we have one. 00:40:34
Come on up. 00:40:36
Come on up, say your name. 00:40:36
And two minutes. 00:40:39
Yep, that's what we have. 00:40:40
Hello, my name is Karsten Walker, so I'm just reading a prepared statement by John Barrack who had to leave. 00:40:43
So he just said chairman and members of the board. 00:40:49
We have reviewed the Vineyard Redevelopment Agency's adoption of. 00:40:52
Resolutions which extend the project area funds collection period for the Geneva Urban Renewal Area. 00:40:57
Our review raises serious concerns under Utah code Title 17 C. 00:41:03
Specifically 17C2 Dash 2207. 00:41:08
The agency may bypass taxing entity committee approval. Only a strict conditions for the inactive industrial site exception are 00:41:12
met. 00:41:16
Including public notice, A public hearing. 00:41:20
And full documentation. 00:41:23
Based on records we used to date. 00:41:25
These legal safeguards appear not to have been fully satisfied. 00:41:27
A grammar request has been submitted to determine compliance. 00:41:31
We've referred our findings to the Utah State Auditor's Office for investigation. 00:41:34
So again, that was just a statement from. 00:41:39
John Derrick. 00:41:42
Thank you, Carson. And where are you from? 00:41:44
Or. 00:41:46
Thank you. And Josh, is he not here? 00:41:48
But we'll get him that number to review. 00:41:51
All right, I'm going to go ahead and close the public comments and we'll move on to mayor and council member reports. 00:41:54
Does anybody have a report tonight? 00:42:02
I will just say. 00:42:12
Hello. 00:42:15
Umm, that we've been in discussion with. 00:42:17
Lakefront to figure out solutions. 00:42:19
To their parking issue and. 00:42:21
More information on that. 00:42:24
At the next council meeting, but we've made good progress and. 00:42:26
I think they feel happy. 00:42:30
So thank you. 00:42:32
It's really, I don't know. 00:42:33
It looked like you had something to say. I've spent the last month working with the state auditor's office and I know that they 00:42:35
are conducting. 00:42:39
An overview of the last 10 years of the RDA. 00:42:43
And I just want to make sure that it's imperative that Vineyard staff and the RDA staff cooperate at a timely matter with the 00:42:46
state. 00:42:50
Thank you for your comment. I would just say that we invite. 00:42:56
That and welcome them into our city and our staff is cooperative and we want to make sure that we present any and all information. 00:43:01
I feel like I'm saying what you would say, but if you want to add into that and. 00:43:07
Say anything else just for the public. I feel like that's unfortunate. 00:43:13
1st for the record I want to clarify. 00:43:18
That's Beth Overson is not the deputy state auditor. He is the local. 00:43:20
Government manager. 00:43:26
And I have been working with him back and forth. I have provided all of the information that was required. 00:43:27
I was going to speak to something a little later in the meeting, but if you're OK with me bringing it up now, it kind of explains 00:43:34
what's going on with one of the. 00:43:38
Issues that was presented to the State auditor. 00:43:43
Do you feel like it's meaningful now or later? 00:43:45
I do feel it's meaningful now it's related to the RDA. 00:43:48
So on the transparency website we are required by law. 00:43:51
To do for quarterly revenue and expense reports. 00:43:56
Those reports are due one month after quarter end. 00:44:00
So our year end is June 30th. 00:44:04
July 31st is when our final report for the year is submitted. 00:44:07
If you know anything about accounting. 00:44:13
The accounts payable keep that that is still open for a couple months if you have invoices that come in for work that was done in 00:44:15
the prior fiscal year. 00:44:20
Then it needs to be put into that fiscal year as well as sales tax revenue. 00:44:24
It's delayed by two months. 00:44:29
So that the. 00:44:31
The things that we get from the sales tax in July and August. 00:44:34
We will put back into the prior year. 00:44:38
So things are not finalized at July 31st. 00:44:40
Unfortunately. 00:44:44
Or fortunately in working with Seth. 00:44:46
We came to realize that there is a statewide issue. 00:44:48
With this in that cities are not going in. 00:44:51
After the financial statements are complete. 00:44:55
And deleting the quarterly reports. 00:44:57
And adding just an annual report. 00:45:00
We have since done this. 00:45:03
Seth has confirmed that everything matches exactly as it should. 00:45:05
They are in the process of writing an auditor alert that will go out to all the cities. 00:45:09
To make them aware that it's not just the 4th quarterly reports, but that they would insist that you go in after the annual 00:45:14
financial statements are complete. 00:45:18
Delete the quarterly reports. 00:45:24
And upload a final annual 1 so that they actually match what's in the financial statements. 00:45:26
OK. Thank you. 00:45:31
Can I make a statement as well? 00:45:32
Another yeah, for over six months I tried to get to the Ledger, obviously. 00:45:35
And. 00:45:42
Was called multiple times that the reports at transparency.utah.gov matched and they were the they were similar or the same. 00:45:43
Finding out that they were off by 3.5 million after six months delay. 00:45:52
And then seeing where those payments went to. 00:45:57
Is very alarming. 00:46:00
And I kept saying I want to see if. 00:46:02
The reports that we are required to the state match up and that they didn't. 00:46:05
I do know that there have been times where. 00:46:10
Being audited states cities have not. 00:46:13
Fulfilled it out correctly and I don't I don't. 00:46:15
Say that there's any harm or malintent, but it does. 00:46:18
Look bad having fought for. 00:46:21
The Ledger, you know to get those documents and then to find out because 3.5 million isn't a rounding error, it's almost 1/4 of 00:46:24
the total. 00:46:28
RDA spend to be off by. 00:46:33
So specifically, you're talking about the RDA, not the general. 00:46:37
City budget, Both are in the same Ledger. They're one in the same. 00:46:41
They're different funds. They're completely different from the general fund. But yes, our TIF payments that we make that are 00:46:44
budgeted in the RDA were made after July 31st. 00:46:49
But if you were to go on to transparency, like I said, we have since uploaded it. Everything matches the financial statements. It 00:46:55
was just a matter of a timing issue. All right, Brett, do you have anything? 00:47:01
Yeah, one that I just want to call out that'll. 00:47:08
Hopefully be coming up in the next. 00:47:12
Month or so. 00:47:15
There was a confirmed citizen in. 00:47:17
The summit who? Who I reached out to. 00:47:21
In their really concerned about. 00:47:24
Speeding in their neighborhood and so we're. 00:47:27
Going to have a community town hall with them next week and they're being very proactive and. 00:47:30
Gathering signatures about what they. 00:47:36
What they would like to do in that space to remediate that. So I'm I'm hopeful that. 00:47:40
We'll get some community input on that that we can come back with some ideas to help solve. 00:47:45
Their perceived. 00:47:52
Speeding issues. 00:47:54
Do you have a Co council member to go with you to that? 00:47:55
I had asked. 00:47:59
Sarah, if she would be available, but if. 00:48:01
But. 00:48:03
But if you would rather, I'm offering my services this Saturday. 00:48:05
Is unavailable. 00:48:09
So thank you for that. You guys can decide that outside of us. 00:48:11
Umm just for my comment I wanted to wrap up. 00:48:16
What Christy said as I was thinking about it, it didn't feel necessarily, but it was clear between the back and forth. But I guess 00:48:19
what we did come to a resolve on is that. 00:48:24
And, and we talk about this almost every single week. And so I'm going to wrap it up, is that when people request for documents on 00:48:31
the City Council, we provide them and we offer the ability for them to have them and. 00:48:38
Then what we do is we do our best to make sure that they get them in the way that they're requesting them. 00:48:46
I think that's number two. And then #3 is it seems like because of the efforts and the work of working together with Seth. 00:48:52
From the auditor's office. 00:49:02
And the local What did you call him? 00:49:04
His title, He's the local government manager. Sorry, Chris, you say that again. He's the local government manager. The local 00:49:06
government manager. 00:49:10
That we were able to find out something that is a statewide issue. 00:49:15
And we were able to come into compliance but that our numbers were armed. So when you say rounding error, it looks like numbers 00:49:19
were off by three-point. Your numbers were off. What it is, is. 00:49:24
The report is. 00:49:30
Needs to be caught up, but the numbers for our budget were not off. 00:49:33
And so that that is the clarifying factor. 00:49:38
OK, Eric. 00:49:41
I just wanted to make sure that was. 00:49:43
Known and now you had a little report that you wanted to do as well. 00:49:45
Is that right? 00:49:49
And little might not be the right word. You might have a robust report. Sure. You wanted me to go before the other two council 00:49:50
members? They told me they didn't have anything. I mean, Sarah already shared, but Marty said she didn't have anything. Marty, did 00:49:55
you want me to come back to you? 00:50:00
So just wanted to share. 00:50:06
A few tidbits from our monthly report from staff. 00:50:09
There's all kinds of exciting things happen, so I'd encourage everyone to go to the. 00:50:13
To the agenda for today and review that. 00:50:17
But wanted to point out a few things. 00:50:20
The city has ordered. 00:50:24
And received a cardboard dumpster that is outside. 00:50:25
In our City Hall parking lot that's available for the public so when you're. 00:50:30
When your Amazon package is coming, you have more boxes than you know what to do with. 00:50:35
Those can be brought to this. 00:50:39
The dumpsters here on. 00:50:41
On the city. 00:50:43
Hall site. 00:50:46
Also, this is sort of a parks review at this point. 00:50:48
Before you move on from that, can I say something really quick? 00:50:53
Council, I forgot to mention to you that one of the things that was brought up to, other than the traffic, the speeding, the golf 00:50:57
courts, all the things that I think most of us are aware of. 00:51:01
Maybe you weren't made aware of that. 00:51:06
Green waste is another discussion that's coming back to us. Staff is aware of it and we're. 00:51:08
Thinking about how to approach this but North Point only has green waste every now and then and then you have the ability to go 00:51:13
and drop it off during the times that they have it. 00:51:18
There are other facilities that incorporate that as part of their. 00:51:23
Recycling. 00:51:27
Anyway, I am wondering if that's something that we want to have come back to the table, but right now I'm having staff work on it. 00:51:29
So when you have your meetings with Eric, if you could start discussing that and see what it looks like and. 00:51:36
Review that. That would be really helpful. 00:51:44
All right, continue. 00:51:47
The water is turned on at Sunset Beach Park. Playground features. 00:51:49
I know that those are popular ones that turn on again. 00:51:53
The zip line was installed at Grove Park. 00:51:55
This year, the rec department hosted 231 soccer games. 00:51:59
They also hosted their first paid hockey clinic and sold out with 32 participants. 00:52:05
The events team. 00:52:11
For the Easter activity, they they. 00:52:14
Had 25,000 Easter eggs that they loaded with 150 volunteers. 00:52:18
Huge effort and a great. 00:52:23
Appreciation goes out to them. 00:52:26
From Vineyard days coming up, all of the activities are planned and secured. We've got 31 farmers market applications, 52 vendor 00:52:28
applications, which is 20 more than last year. 00:52:34
And 51 children's market applications. 00:52:41
It should be a super successful event and we look forward to that. 00:52:44
The Earth Day event. 00:52:48
Had 70 volunteers picking up garbage implanted. 00:52:50
3000 plants on the shoreline on the North End of the city. 00:52:54
Vineyard Days. 00:52:59
Details can be found at vineyarddays.org. 00:53:01
We're already planning the Independence Day celebration, which will be held on July 1st. 00:53:08
The city received 18 an $18,000 grant from the Utah Outdoors Recreation Group to go towards benches and a bike repair station on 00:53:14
the Utah Lake Shoreline Trail. 00:53:19
From our communications department. 00:53:25
Our social media we know that from a communications survey standpoint, people wanted. 00:53:29
As lots of outreach via our social media we've got. 00:53:35
51195 Instagram followers. 00:53:38
And with our posts we've had a reach this last month of 74,954. 00:53:42
On Facebook we've got 5100 followers and through our posts. 00:53:48
Have had a reach of 34,948 so. 00:53:52
The messaging from the city is going out and getting seen and it really does act as an effective. 00:53:56
Way to engage with with the community and let them know. 00:54:03
What's going on? 00:54:07
Also. 00:54:09
We have 6 new businesses that have arrived in Vineyard. 00:54:12
And welcome any and all new businesses. But it's fun to see. 00:54:16
That. 00:54:21
Growth coming. 00:54:22
Into the city. 00:54:23
Public works. Just a couple things. The transportation master plan. 00:54:26
Staff has reviewed that, they've reviewed the traffic impact study and standards for traffic calming standards. 00:54:31
And they're working with the consultant to start the impact fee assessment study as well. And we heard a lot of some of that 00:54:38
report here earlier. 00:54:42
We've also developed the 10 year pavement maintenance plan to provide to the consultant to use as part of that transportation 00:54:47
utility fee study. 00:54:52
From water and sewer. 00:54:58
Lots to report, but I'll just point out that we've met with contractors on the Penny Springs Pi pond. 00:55:00
For a concrete lining. 00:55:06
Once that is done. 00:55:08
We will be working with the Division of Water or Division of Wildlife. 00:55:10
To develop that as a community fishery, which should be really nice. 00:55:15
On grounds, fleet and facility maintenance. 00:55:21
We had our grounds crew attend. 00:55:25
An international cemetery, cremation and funeral association conference. 00:55:28
To prepare for. 00:55:32
Having that cemetery here in the city and we'll be bringing more details on on cemetery options here in the next few meetings. 00:55:34
As far as projects, the water tank is expected to be completed. This was if you recall there was an electrical component that was 00:55:42
back ordered. 00:55:46
So we expect for that to be up and running in June and there will be a ceremony. 00:55:51
For the opening of the water tank. 00:55:56
The water pipeline also expected completion in June. 00:55:59
The Vineyard Connector Bridge you can expect to see construction starting May 20th, so just in six days. 00:56:04
Wait, which bridge are you talking about? Sorry, this is the Vineyard connector overpass. So. 00:56:15
Once you want the promenade overpass. Thank you. That connects 300 Weston, Maine, yes. 00:56:20
We also met with Union Pacific. 00:56:26
It's a combination. If there's a match for the city and then you dot. 00:56:30
Largely, it's a. It's a. It's a. 00:56:37
If you are looking at matches and. 00:56:39
And sponsorships. 00:56:42
They they are funding the lion's share of it and the city pays a small portion of that. 00:56:44
I also wanted to point out that we had met with Union Pacific recently. 00:56:51
On the rail consolidation project and our consultant. 00:56:56
Is submitting their 10% design on our solution that we're pursuing? 00:57:00
And that should be submitted. 00:57:06
Uh, tomorrow. 00:57:08
And that will begin the final review from. 00:57:10
Union Pacific. 00:57:13
And we expect them to take between 45 to 60 days. 00:57:14
During that period of time, we'll also be working on the cost estimates. 00:57:18
So that as we complete. 00:57:22
As Union Pacific completes the review. 00:57:23
We can kick off the next phases of that. 00:57:27
Looking for funding? 00:57:30
Looking for grants? 00:57:32
And starting the environmental reviews on those. 00:57:34
Oh, there's a couple more things. 00:57:39
I should. 00:57:41
Make these shorter, but there's lots happening. Marty has a question for you. Yeah. 00:57:42
I have a statement I want to make after he's done. OK. 00:57:48
Residential occupancy, we've had a couple more move insurance, we're at 56137. 00:57:53
Units. 00:57:59
In the city. 00:58:00
This last month we had permits issued for 11 more. 00:58:03
Single family dwellings. 00:58:08
If you're wondering if our. 00:58:12
Building department stays busy. In April, they conducted 537 total inspections, which is 24.41 per day. 00:58:15
So they're very busy. 00:58:24
And with that, I'll conclude. 00:58:28
OK. Thank you. 00:58:30
This is going to bring us right into the consent items. 00:58:31
Sorry, statement by Marty just. 00:58:36
Thinking about the conversation we just had. 00:58:38
I there's a few thoughts I have and. 00:58:40
One of them starts with the question, could we invite Seth Overson to our meeting? Because I feel like his name keeps coming up 00:58:44
and it's, he said, she said situation. And it would be great just to have him here to speak to what his truths are. 00:58:51
To kind of so the way that this process is party and the reason why I'm suggesting this and I'm going to hold on one second. 00:58:58
Is that there are things that need to be brought back together that when you go through a review can't be brought to the public. 00:59:07
So are you asking that he states that he is reviewing something or are you asking for detail that can't be brought to the? I'm 00:59:14
asking if there's flaws in our processes, which I don't believe I believe are. So this is what I want to say. 00:59:22
Whenever we talk about. 00:59:30
Corruption or flaws in our accounting. I think about all the different staff members that have been here. 00:59:32
That are currently here and that have been here over the past. I mean, I know that some of the requests go back to 2016. 00:59:39
And to me, that would be a lot of a lot of corruption to have that many people on our staff. We've had three different city 00:59:45
managers. We've had how many different? I know we've, I've seen 2. 00:59:51
Finance directors that I've seen, other treasures. 00:59:58
We've had several different mayors, and so for the corruption to run as deep as it's implied is very. 01:00:00
To me is not likely. 01:00:08
And so I'm just. 01:00:10
I'm feeling a little bit fatigued at the constant finger pointing at these meetings and so I would like whatever we need to do to 01:00:12
reconcile this to resolve this. 01:00:17
I think we need a clear plan and I don't know if this needs to be. 01:00:22
Agenda an item. 01:00:26
Yeah, keep, keep going and then I'll comment. I just don't want you to turn it over outside of this. I'm just. 01:00:28
Very umm. 01:00:34
I would really love if there was corrupt. If there's corruption, let's make sure that we're resolving it. 01:00:36
If there is just procedures and education needed, then let's go that direction, but this is constantly tearing our community 01:00:41
apart. There's. 01:00:46
There's several things that are set in these meetings that are never resolved. 01:00:51
And I think we need to improve. 01:00:55
So I will say this. 01:00:57
Right now, and I hope I articulated it clearly before, we are welcoming in the auditor and saying please do exactly what you're 01:00:59
asking. Now those meetings have to go through a certain process and we're going to. 01:01:05
Be as cooperative as possible because we really respect their office. 01:01:12
And we are working together and we're already finding things that are having great impact on the whole state. That's making things 01:01:16
even more transparent. 01:01:20
And what they found today that Christy was able to share was that our numbers are right. 01:01:24
Set that up and maybe Jenna can start that and we can settle. 01:01:58
Building that into the process to say this is what's really going on, this is this is how things are happening so that. 01:02:01
The experts that you're talking about in this review, everybody can come together and be collaborative with that I'm going to 01:02:09
bring us to the consent. I would like to make a comment just like if it has to be, if it has to, I'm going to give you that have a 01:02:14
comment that was my one comment you've had several just. 01:02:20
I know, but you keep saying you want to put something to bed, but then we don't talk about it. OK, so here is where I'm going to 01:02:26
call us back to order. Hold on both of you. I'm going to call us back to order. Here's here's the result that I just gave you. 01:02:33
You are in the middle of working with the auditor. She would like to see the auditor's report. We just resolved that. 01:02:39
You have a passport, you're going to go through a meeting, we're going to bring it back to the public. It's going to be a really 01:02:45
good opportunity. And so it's not that we're not discussing it. 01:02:49
It's that it's going through a proper process and we're going to make it happen and we're going to bring it to the people and we 01:02:53
will do additional things if you want to invite additional meetings out there if you have additional ideas. 01:02:58
I want you guys to bring them forward and set it up and we will get those things going for the public to be educated on that and 01:03:04
have as much information at their fingertips as possible to the consent items. 01:03:09
Who would like to give me a motion? I would like to pull out general Ledger confidentiality 7.37.3. Can you approve 7.124 and 5? 01:03:15
Yes, I can. OK. 01:03:32
We have a first by Jake for 7.17.27.4 and 7.5 as presented. Can I get a second? 01:03:33
2nd, we have a second by Brett. 01:03:42
I'm going to do this by roll call take. 01:03:45
Yes. 01:03:48
Brett. 01:03:49
Yes, Smarty. 01:03:51
Yes. And Sarah, yes, All right. 7.3, did you have a question about it? 01:03:53
Would you like actually, Jamie, could you present what this is for the public? 01:03:58
Please please. 01:04:03
On Councilmember Holloway has requested a copy of the general Ledger. 01:04:09
There are items in the Ledger that. 01:04:18
Maybe at any given. 01:04:22
From quarter to quarter, the Ledger has additional additions and so it's hard to predict what will be in it. 01:04:24
In the future, but it generally has things in it that are. 01:04:30
Confidential, it tends to be the names of individuals that lists folks that might be delinquent on. 01:04:35
Utility bills the city has sponsorship programs for. 01:04:41
Youth that may not afford to play sports, things like that are in the general Ledger. 01:04:46
And so. 01:04:52
We have in the past, so then we can provide it what we have, but if you're going to share it publicly, it needs to be redacted. 01:04:54
He has asked if he could share it with. 01:05:01
An accountant that would then review the letter and advise him on it. 01:05:04
And we had a meeting with Seth Loverson from the auditor's office. He made a nice suggestion, which was. 01:05:08
What if you enter into a confidentiality agreement? 01:05:15
And Councilmember Holdaway signs. 01:05:17
The accountant he would like to share the Ledger with signs it. 01:05:20
And then you can provide the Ledger this year that he can share with that accountant. 01:05:24
And all it does is commit Councilmember Holdaway on the accountant to follow grandma and other state records laws. 01:05:29
And how they treat that document. So what you have in front of you is a draft of that agreement for you to review and approve. 01:05:37
And then with your approval, Councilmember Holloway can return a signed copy. And if you guys recall, that was the meeting that we 01:05:44
all had and sent into this really great. 01:05:49
Collaboration. This idea, you guys put it on the agenda and now it's here. 01:05:54
Before you, Jake, you had a question. 01:05:58
I just want equal time, so that was 3 minutes. So I would just like the equal time umm. 01:06:02
I got the Ledger 24 hours ago, today is May 14th. 01:06:09
We're going to be approving the budget today and I didn't get the opportunity to have a CPA. 01:06:13
I started down this road just like last year. 01:06:18
In December went right before I was seated to get the Ledger. 01:06:21
Last year I was given a paper copy and we fought until again April. 01:06:24
And then found all of the travel. 01:06:28
That was disclosed in a roundabout way where people didn't know. 01:06:31
And we did the exact same thing this year where we were going back to the state auditor. 01:06:34
Nowhere in code does it say. 01:06:39
That we have to vote as a council, as you guys, the majority, to give me to have the ability to have an unredacted Ledger. 01:06:41
When I say public, you guys are misconstruing what I'm saying, meaning I can talk about anything financially. 01:06:50
I've never said I'm going to post on Facebook and unredacted a complete copy. 01:06:56
By considering those words that way. 01:07:00
It makes it so you can legally block me from. 01:07:02
By getting it today for 24 hours before I already find things like 90,000 food. 01:07:05
And many other things over the past 10 years. 01:07:11
And it's just a gamesmanship and it loses trust. 01:07:14
The citizens that have asked for the Ledger through the grammar and were quoted to get $2000 for the Ledger. 01:07:17
It loses trust because now. 01:07:24
I have to look at it without a CPA today and we're going to be voting on a budget. 01:07:26
And can I just ask for clarification, $90,000 in food over 10 years, is that no, No 90,000 this year, this this year we spent 01:07:31
$90,000 in food, alright. 01:07:36
All right, what was the rest of your comment? 01:07:42
Yeah, I've got 30 seconds left. 01:07:45
The thing that I want to stress is like. 01:07:47
If we can be outvoted about whether you guys spend money on food or whether you guys go to Europe? 01:07:50
And do all of these different things. 01:07:56
What we're arguing about is just general decency of the ability to when I ask for a document. 01:07:59
And if I were to break the law and share some miners information, you guys say, well Jakes going to share some miners information 01:08:06
so. 01:08:09
Let's fight for five months for a duly elected. 01:08:13
Governing board member to have access to our city's finances, it becomes a gamesmanship. And then once we get into the Ledger. 01:08:16
And we find things that. 01:08:23
Don't align with our values. That's when we go to social media. 01:08:25
Medium, we say, hey, why didn't we know this so. 01:08:29
I'm trying to be. 01:08:32
A non confrontational person. 01:08:34
But the only person you can go to is to the state auditor. 01:08:37
All right, I'm going to take a comment and then. 01:08:43
Well, actually. 01:08:47
We're not approving the budget tonight. We are accepting that. 01:08:50
Right. Hold on, Jake. It's not your turn. It's turn. 01:08:54
We will not be approving a budget. 01:09:03
Until the end of June. Eric, did you have something to add? 01:09:05
Yeah, I just wanted to clarify what Jake mentioned. Gamesmanship. 01:09:09
Gamesmanship to me is suggesting. 01:09:14
That him asking for the budget for himself. 01:09:18
Was rejected. 01:09:23
The clarifying detail that matters the most. We met, we met. 01:09:25
The accountant. 01:09:30
Who's here with us today? 01:09:32
Fantastic, gentlemen. 01:09:34
He has no fiduciary requirement. 01:09:36
To Jake, there's no client relationship, no official relationship and therefore. 01:09:40
We cannot share. 01:09:45
Something that is protected outside of a duly elected official and multiple times. 01:09:48
We have offered to give Councilman Holdaway. 01:09:54
The full unredacted. 01:09:58
Ledger but. 01:10:00
He has specifically stated over and over and over again. 01:10:01
I don't want it for me, I want to share it with a consultant. 01:10:05
That has no. 01:10:08
No requirement to protect documents. 01:10:10
With an NDA in place. 01:10:13
It protects the city. 01:10:14
From my grandma. 01:10:17
Breach we sharing sharing protected information outside. 01:10:19
Even as much as we would like to trust everyone and I have no. 01:10:23
Concern you would share it, but there is no. 01:10:27
We need if I speak to an attorney outside of our city attorney. 01:10:31
That attorney has no requirement to protect what I just shared with him. 01:10:36
In a similar fashion, an accountant. 01:10:40
Has no requirement to protect information that's shared with them. 01:10:43
Unless there is some sort of formal agreement and that's why we have this before us today. OK, I will say. 01:10:47
No, you can't. Actually, not right now we can't. 01:10:54
We're not doing this back and forth right now if you guys want to get. 01:10:58
We got we have to keep the order in here and I. 01:11:02
Please wait. 01:11:06
You have to understand something. 01:11:08
There is going to be back and forth. 01:11:11
In this meeting that you disagree with? 01:11:13
You might have been quoted in a way that you don't like. 01:11:16
And we can remedy remedy that at some point if you would like to come up and you you have the ability to submit a written public 01:11:19
comment that we can share. 01:11:23
And when we open public comments next, you can come and you can share that. 01:11:28
And there is a time for that. 01:11:32
But right now is not that time. 01:11:34
We have to get through the meeting and the meeting is long. 01:11:36
And this isn't to say that we don't want to hear from you. 01:11:39
We do. And this isn't to say that we don't want this to be clear. We want it to be clear. 01:11:42
And we're going to make sure that that happens. 01:11:48
I am taking note of this. Our recorder is taking minutes of this. We will clarify it for the public. If you have questions about 01:11:50
it, you can come and you can submit them. 01:11:55
This conversation can continue. 01:12:00
And we can remedy it. 01:12:03
But not in this moment and not in this way. 01:12:05
One thing that I want to say how I want to wrap this up. 01:12:09
Is that? 01:12:13
When we're talking about what we see. 01:12:15
And we randomly throw out numbers for the public. 01:12:19
It is difficult to explain to anybody why those things are being spent and it is, I don't believe has anything to do with this 01:12:24
conversation with the NDA. 01:12:30
Because what will happen is that the budget will come before you and it will go into a public hearing and you will get to comment 01:12:36
on it and you will get to see where each of those items are shared. 01:12:42
That is according to the laws of Utah. 01:12:48
You will see them and we will be in compliance. 01:12:51
You've already heard tonight. 01:12:54
Now the auditor is coming in and making sure that we are doing it the right way, and we've told you we are going to do it the 01:12:55
right way. 01:12:59
Is there something that we're doing that we can be better at? 01:13:03
We're going to be better because our whole goal as neighbors and as people that serve you is to make sure that our community is 01:13:06
upstanding and doing the right thing. 01:13:11
That is what we want to get to. 01:13:16
And it involves decorum, this particular thing that's happening here. 01:13:18
Is that what we do know? 01:13:22
Is that this in this NDA? 01:13:25
Is not about 1 council person. 01:13:28
Whether you agree with the stories or the information that's being shared or not, this is actually a document that doesn't have a 01:13:31
name in it and it suggests that any council person has the ability to go into an NDA with somebody that can advise them on this 01:13:38
particular issue. It was a great resolve, a great compromise that we came to. 01:13:45
And now there are no further questions to be brought upon it except that do you want to pass this NDA or not? 01:13:52
And offer the ability for somebody, anybody, whether they're sitting in the crowd or not, to be able to sign that NDA and. 01:13:59
Be able to review it at this and be and held accountable to the standards that must be met within the community. 01:14:10
That is what's on the table. That is what we're going to talk about. 01:14:17
Can I get a motion? 01:14:21
All right, I know if you have questions. 01:14:27
I thought that this was for Jake's advantage, so I thought Jake would be the one to make a motion if this is not useful. 01:14:32
For, you know, purposes, I don't know why I would make a motion. 01:14:42
OK. Thank you, Marty, Brett. 01:14:46
I I would say the same thing that to me the whole point of this was to provide a long term solution so that we don't go through 01:14:51
this. 01:14:54
Year after year. 01:14:58
And it gives, just gives us a path to make it easy, right, Sarah? 01:15:00
I have a question. 01:15:11
For you, Eric. 01:15:12
Did you tell Jake he wasn't allowed to work with Kimmelsen? 01:15:15
Allowed to work with her? No. 01:15:21
No, we met with her on numerous occasions. OK, thank you. 01:15:24
How do you feel about this item? 01:15:28
I agree with Marty and Brett. OK, Jake, would you like this? The council seems willing to approve this if this is meaningful to 01:15:30
you and if it's not OK in speaking with the state auditor. 01:15:36
He just kept saying over and over the in state code, you guys don't have the ability to do this. It's a great compromise to make 01:15:42
you guys happy, but it's been a delay tactic. I sat on a phone call with you and I did not hear the state auditor say that. In 01:15:49
fact, I had I heard him. Can I make a motion to make it public? I'd love the recording. 01:15:56
Can I make the motion? Does anyone second that? 01:16:04
Jake said he recorded the phone call and would like to make it public. I think it would be important to see four staff members 01:16:09
argue against me getting the Ledger. 01:16:13
Think it'd be great? 01:16:18
I make the motion. Does anyone second? Why does it have to be a motion to make something public? Like you have the ability to make 01:16:19
that public, no. 01:16:22
Does anyone have any issues with it? 01:16:26
Because I'm tired of arguing. 01:16:28
To get stuff in the public. Hey Jamie, how, how can I move forward with this meeting? Well, I don't want to have the back and 01:16:30
forth here. I don't think it has to do with this. And I think there's something that's happening that I would like if there's not 01:16:35
a motion to approve then. 01:16:40
The item fails and you move on to that. I make a motion to approve. I have a second. 01:16:46
Jake made a motion to approve the General Ledger Confidentiality agreement. 01:16:51
2nd. 01:16:57
Marty is going to 2nd that. 01:16:59
In favor, aye. 01:17:00
All right. The next item, public hearing, consolidated fee schedule amendment, the two things that would be discussed inside of 01:17:03
this are actually not on this agenda and we need to move this to the next agenda on the. 01:17:10
28th of May can I get a motion to move this item to that meeting? 01:17:18
So moved. Thank you. I have a first by Marty. Can I get a second? 01:17:23
2nd umm. 01:17:27
Second by Sarah, all in favor. 01:17:27
Aye, all right. We're going to take a 5 minute recess and then we'll be right back. 01:17:30
You guys can get set up while we are taking that break if you like. 01:17:34
You can also take a break and we will extend that. 01:17:42
Yeah, I want to know. 01:17:47
Public hearing bond parameters resolution. 01:17:49
I'm going to start out with the purpose of this hearing. 01:17:52
And have Laura Lewis explain this to us. She's with LRB and you can kind of introduce yourself to the public and. 01:17:57
Well, it's good to be with you this evening. My name is Laura Lewis. I am the L of LRB Public Finance Advisors. 01:18:07
And I have been in the business of municipal finance for 36 years. 01:18:13
Sounds so so it makes me feel so old to say that. 01:18:19
But it started when I was 12. But I still felt old. But the purpose of the public hearing relates to the parameters resolution 01:18:22
that you passed. 01:18:27
Back in April and I'm going to go through just some quick slides. There's a lot of them, but I will be quick. I won't read all of 01:18:33
it so that you can be reminded. 01:18:37
Of you know why we're here? What has happened thus far? What would happen? 01:18:42
You know, going forward, barring any other. 01:18:47
Action. So this is a continuation relating to your April 3rd meeting where you adopted the parameters resolution. 01:18:51
I'll be providing the financing summary talk about sales tax, revenue, bonds. 01:18:57
Your financing structure. 01:19:02
The steps and away we go. Next slide. 01:19:03
You know who I am, I'm presenting. My business partner David Robertson also works on this. Brad Patterson is here with us from 01:19:08
Gilmore Bell Air Bond Council. I believe Randy Larson was going to be joined in remotely, so he may be listening in if you have 01:19:13
any questions. All right, next slide. 01:19:17
When the parameters resolution was passed, there were still some you know, we weren't certain how much MAG was bringing to the 01:19:25
table. 01:19:29
What the city, you know, what their contribution was going to be in cash and let me just state. 01:19:34
In the municipal bond world, unlike when you do a mortgage, there is no requirement for there to be any upfront or equity kind of 01:19:39
contribution. 01:19:44
So it's very nice that in this particular instance, there is quite a bit of equity going into this transaction. 01:19:49
The city will be issuing all of the bonds, therefore we have to. 01:19:55
Make sure that there is enough. 01:19:59
Pledged revenue to cover that debt service. 01:20:02
But the city is going to be receiving lease payments. Mountain Land Association of Governments is going to be making their large 01:20:04
initial equity contribution and making payments over time. 01:20:11
To acquire their space, it's more efficient for both the city and bank to issue those bonds together. 01:20:17
This is the historical. 01:20:25
And projected based on your budget, sales tax and franchise tax revenues. 01:20:28
Obviously, it's something we have to pay attention to if that's what you're pledging to the bond debt service. 01:20:35
I tell all of my clients that what you pledge as security does not need to be necessarily what you use as a payment. So the 01:20:41
example for you is you're pledging sales tax to get the highest rating, lowest interest rate. 01:20:47
But part of the finance plan will be to use the payments that MAG makes to you. 01:20:54
Alright, you can book. Sorry, go back. You can go back. 01:21:00
As you can see, there's been significant growth in your sales tax revenues. 01:21:03
And very high growth in franchise tax revenues. 01:21:08
You all know what sales tax is. You pay it every time you shop. 01:21:12
Franchise tax you may or may not know it is if you will open your electric or gas utility bills. 01:21:15
Franchise taxes charged. It's a fee the city imposes, a tax the city is imposed, collected by the utilities, and then remitted to 01:21:22
you. So franchise tax revenues fluctuate with weather and population growth. 01:21:30
Sales tax. 01:21:38
Can grow because your population is growing. There's a sales tax sharing formula in the state of Utah. 01:21:39
That is based both on point of sale and population growth. 01:21:45
So you're poised to have continued robust sales tax revenue growth? 01:21:49
In our projections we have been. 01:21:54
Uber may be crazily conservative. 01:21:58
Just to show that there's significant. 01:22:01
Wherewithal to repay the debt? 01:22:04
Right. Next one, sorry. Hey, I have a question on page two of our general fund summary. Christy doesn't have that higher number if 01:22:06
you go back. 01:22:10
We're only showing 3.588. 01:22:15
And you have 3.691. 01:22:17
If we go to Page 2, Christie of our budget. 01:22:22
Of the sales tax increase. 01:22:25
So what numbers I will make, I will make that. 01:22:34
OK, so also. 01:22:37
If we could, I wonder if it would be best. 01:22:39
And this is what I'm going to go with is write down your questions and then we can come back to them as we go along. 01:22:42
That works for me. 01:22:50
All right. So the we are using the 3.6 million number we can, we will dial that back. I'm not at all even remotely worried about 01:22:52
that. 01:22:57
Because you already have so much debt service coverage, so that's not going to impact your ability to repay the debt won't impact 01:23:03
your rating, but we will make that adjustment. 01:23:08
These projected sales tax figures, again, nobody has a crystal ball, nobody knows what's going to happen tomorrow, but given your 01:23:14
history, given that you are going to keep growing in population, given that you have a number of businesses that are coming into 01:23:19
town. 01:23:23
It is very conservative to assume only a 1% compound of growth in your sales and franchise tax revenues. 01:23:28
So that is what we've assumed on this page, the far right column that total sales and franchise tax fee revenues carries over to 01:23:36
the next page because if you'd have slapped it all on one, you wouldn't be able to see anything. 01:23:41
Next page. 01:23:47
So that. 01:23:49
All into the far right on the previous page where we're projecting your sales tax and franchise fee growth. 01:23:51
Is now being compared to the projected debt service. 01:23:56
The protected debt service is made-up of the two components. 01:24:01
Of the city's portion of the bond payment and mags portion of the bond payment. 01:24:05
The debt service coverage calculation has to be conducted using those combined, again even though from your budget perspective. 01:24:10
You'll be receiving the mag portion in as a lease to own payment is the best way to think of that. 01:24:18
So with these very conservative, Uber, Uber conservative projections of your growth, you can see that you still have significant 01:24:25
debt service coverage. 01:24:29
The minimum debt service coverage for most sales tax revenue bonds is 2 times. 01:24:33
And there is something scanning 3 points. 01:24:38
5 Something is about 5/3. 01:24:42
Is the lowest that that it gets. So again, significant coverage, I would expect a. 01:24:46
A+ rating, kind of at a minimum, maybe a AA minus the weight, the rating on not just that one thing, but. 01:24:51
So significant coverage with super low growth next. 01:24:59
All right, this is again starts at the same 3.6 million, which we will adjust. 01:25:04
And then we grow that at 4%. 01:25:10
Again, I still say this is very conservative. I'm not going to don't jump back to the other slides, but the growth was like. 01:25:13
40% Nineteen percent. Really, really high. 01:25:21
Again, because of population growth, because of additional retail coming into the city. 01:25:25
It's, you know, I were saying, what do I really think is going to happen? I would probably put that in the 7:00-ish percent. 01:25:30
But I also know when we go marching down to the rating agencies, they're going to look at it very conservatively. They'll see the 01:25:38
historical growth. 01:25:41
That they'll kind of do them over. What if, right? What if it gets really slow? 01:25:45
And stagnant so at these figures. 01:25:49
Far right now carries to the next page. 01:25:52
So now we have, we start at the same place, but we've amped up, you know, the growth a little bit. 01:25:57
Again, just showing that you'll have significant coverage. 01:26:02
But after the debt service, there is still significant revenue into its general fund to do. 01:26:06
All the things that you. 01:26:11
Need to do with your parks and fire and whatever else. 01:26:14
All right, next page. 01:26:17
The assumptions that we've used in structuring the debt is a 31 million project fund. 01:26:21
Those costs are split about 5446 between the city and MAG. They based on space utilization. 01:26:27
We've already talked about the contributions. 01:26:34
We talked about what's going to influence yourself tax revenue growth and. 01:26:37
The other thing I didn't mention was sales tax growth. I mean, we all as consumers hate inflation, right? I don't want to pay more 01:26:42
for my. 01:26:45
Eggs than I did last year. 01:26:49
But Oh well, I don't control avian flu and the eggs go up. 01:26:51
Xbox and price, guess what woohoo you get more sales tax so inflation. Not advocating for inflation, but when there is inflation 01:26:54
you do benefit from a sales tax revenue perspective. 01:27:00
Let's talk about that. 01:27:07
The bond structure assumes an interest only payment in fiscal year 2026 and then we start making principal. 01:27:09
Every year after that with the final payment in fiscal year 2050. All right, next slide. 01:27:15
The city is anticipating about 20 new businesses to open over the next three years. 01:27:23
Some of those are groceries, some are mixed-use, some are restaurants. 01:27:29
I actually undertook. 01:27:35
You know, trying to. 01:27:37
From other sources that I was able to use. 01:27:39
The state is very, very. 01:27:44
Tight with what they'll share relative to a specific store and what sales tax might be generated. 01:27:48
So we can do research based on SIC code. 01:27:55
And again, this is very conservative. 01:27:59
The kind of new sales tax revenue I think you'll be getting and. 01:28:03
And franchise tax revenues. 01:28:07
Additionally, some of the businesses that are, I don't know, they've been announced. I'm not going to say any names. 01:28:10
Some of the businesses that are poised to come to the city may or may not on their own generate sales tax. 01:28:15
But I think. 01:28:22
OK, at the hospital. 01:28:25
I want to make sure. 01:28:26
If you want to, approach if you want to. 01:28:30
No. OK, Nothing. Nothing. Some things are coming. Who? Sorry, some things are coming. 01:28:34
That may not have any any kind of direct sales tax. So they may not be a restaurant, may not be a grocery store, but they bring a 01:28:43
lot of people in. Well, guess what those people do? 01:28:49
Shop, buy sandwiches, stay at hotels. 01:28:56
So with that there'll be additional spending just because of the development of your commercial area. 01:28:59
Sorry for that stepping in the. 01:29:06
Worse than not a minute ago. 01:29:07
All right, next one. 01:29:09
There will be no capitalized interest or payments will begin every six months. 01:29:14
It's standard of the municipal bond world that bonds are structured with. 01:29:19
Interest payments every six months and a principal payment every year. 01:29:22
We're ramping up the payments because again, we expect your sales tax to increase, so not to put undue pressure. 01:29:26
On your immediate budget and there will be payments, you'll be making principal payments. 01:29:33
We are ramping that up overtime to help accommodate so that you can still do all the things you're used to doing. 01:29:37
So if you remember, oh, the city is paying for 56% of the building. 01:29:47
And you say, oh, then why are they paying 74% of the debt service? Because you're not putting as much down in equity as Meg. 01:29:52
So that's why the split of the debt service is a little bit different. 01:29:58
All right, next. 01:30:01
We've talked about the cities responsible for the full payment, but you'll get revenues in from MAG. You'll also have space as a 01:30:04
city building is currently configured. 01:30:09
That you can lease out for. 01:30:14
Weddings or meetings or whatever, and that would be additional revenue. 01:30:17
Umm, talk about Meg. 01:30:22
Something to note like, oh, what if our, you know, budget gets tight? Can we raise our sales tax rate? The answer is no way. 01:30:25
That is controlled by the state. The city has imposed the maximum. 01:30:33
That you can impose. So unless that were to change at the state level, you're already imposing the maximum rate that you can. 01:30:37
Next. 01:30:43
All right. We've you've adopted the bond parameters resolution and in that bond parameters resolution you called for the hearing 01:30:46
to be held tonight. 01:30:50
After you hold the public hearing you, you don't have to take any action. You just have to hold the hearing. It's entirely up to 01:30:59
you if you want to take any action following that. 01:31:03
Bond documents have been. 01:31:08
Prepared, we have not yet met with the rating agencies and we will do that throughout the process. 01:31:10
And once we get the rating, an offering document will go to the investing public and an underwriter will. 01:31:17
Marketless bonds. 01:31:24
Umm, nothing. 01:31:27
Nothing commits you to issue these bonds. 01:31:29
Up until the date those bonds are priced. 01:31:32
The resolution that you passed designated officers. 01:31:35
That can give that final approval so long as we stay within the lanes of what was approved. 01:31:40
So up until that very day. 01:31:45
I would hope you don't wait until that very day that could have some market going. Oh, we remember Vineyard coming and then 01:31:48
slimming the door in our face, right? But up until that very day when you sign a bond purchase agreement. 01:31:54
Nothing is. 01:32:00
In solid cement. 01:32:01
Once the bonds are priced and the bond purchase agreement is signed, typically about two weeks later we have a bond closing and 01:32:04
that's when the monies go into your account and you can start spending them on the build. 01:32:10
OK, there we go. 01:32:16
The bond parameters resolution was the initial step you had to take so that you could call this hearing you designated the 01:32:21
officers to execute the transaction. 01:32:25
Just talked about. 01:32:30
There we go. Thank you. 01:32:31
As we proceed forward and we'll continue to participate with Meg on their participation and how they want their payment 01:32:36
structured. 01:32:39
Cities engaging with architect and contractors to secure the construction contracts. 01:32:43
And we'll work to secure that bond rating, get the bonds issued. 01:32:50
And now for questions. 01:32:55
Alright. 01:32:57
Just for clarity purposes, were there any other numbers or things that needed to be clarified before the public hearing? Did you 01:32:59
have any other clarifying questions? You had some numbers. 01:33:04
I don't want us to go into a question debate as the Council right now. 01:33:09
And but. 01:33:13
I think she cleared it up that the 3.5 is the real number of the increase, not the. 01:33:16
3.69 so. 01:33:21
Christie, the the total sales increase year over year is is what it's like 300,000. 01:33:23
Like that we're from 2025 to 2026. I just want the real number. It's a 4% increase. Yeah. So it's the 3.5 number and that's what's 01:33:30
reflected in the budget that you have before you. So it was just a miscommunication between you and them. 01:33:37
I had one clarifying question that I heard something and I want to make sure that. 01:33:46
Everybody else heard it. 01:33:54
When it comes to sales tax, one, the city doesn't control any of that. 01:33:56
It's all on the state. 01:34:01
And two, is that the way that those revenues are allocated? 01:34:03
Is split between point of sale, meaning they actually bought in vineyard yes and our population so. 01:34:07
Even if. 01:34:13
I just want to make sure that my understanding is correct, yes? 01:34:15
Even if there were no new businesses that came into Vineyard. 01:34:18
Regulation increased our sales tax revenue would also increase. That is correct. Now the population that's a popular it's a. 01:34:21
Sharing formula. 01:34:28
So let's say your population increased by one person. 01:34:29
And. 01:34:33
Buckdale and Saint George increased by. 01:34:35
A million, they're going to get a larger share. 01:34:38
But it is based on the population statewide and your percentage of that population. Yes, you would get increases from that. 01:34:42
Does Utah City or the TIF zone sales tax change at all? It doesn't matter if it is, it doesn't. 01:34:53
It doesn't flow. There is no. 01:35:00
No impact on the system. 01:35:02
Did you guys have any clarifying questions? 01:35:05
Will we get a copy of this? 01:35:07
Yes, absolutely. 01:35:09
I'm, I'm, I was, yeah. I'm good to wait till after the public hearing. 01:35:11
I don't have a clarifying question, OK. 01:35:16
Thank you so much. As you can see, the city has. 01:35:20
Been taking a very thoughtful conservative approach to talk about the last meeting. 01:35:23
We set the public hearing in the last meeting similarly to what we did today with setting the public hearing for the tentative 01:35:30
budget. 01:35:34
And now we're here with the opportunity to make a decision and. 01:35:38
And kind of move forward. 01:35:43
The last time we met, we talked about. 01:35:45
How we wanted to get our financials prepared for the public. 01:35:48
We wanted an economic kind of overview and outlook. 01:35:52
Which I feel like. 01:35:57
We have. 01:35:58
Been presented with today. 01:35:59
And we talked about. 01:36:02
What those numbers kind of honing in on the numbers between sharing? 01:36:05
Between our partners and who our partners were in solidifying that information so that we could bring that before the public. 01:36:09
I hope that you guys were able to see that. 01:36:16
I just wanted to remind the Council we have been talking. 01:36:19
A little bit about. 01:36:23
What this would look like over the last six months. 01:36:24
And talking about the resolution and really thoughtfully planning and saying what does this look like after we get to this point? 01:36:28
Back in February, we discussed. 01:36:32
Some of. 01:36:37
The approach we were going to take for architectural design and then what we're going to do for long range planning to make sure 01:36:38
that we get into this. 01:36:42
This building and. 01:36:45
Where we are now is at about a 15% design. 01:36:47
So as we go forward and we think about the consideration of where we're going to be right now, our intention had been to wait and 01:36:51
decide and see kind of what that looks like where we were not really certain this was going to be something that we did. 01:36:59
Simultaneously. 01:37:08
But we do know that it would be more cost effective if we did. 01:37:10
And So what we want to do is hear from the public. 01:37:15
As we know that this protects your public safety and your essential services, we understand that it's conservative. 01:37:20
We know that you might have questions about. 01:37:28
What was presented here tonight that we want to make sure that you understand the numbers and have clearly before you. 01:37:32
And if you have any questions about? 01:37:38
Whether or not we move forward with this stage at this time, that's really what we want to understand because right now our 01:37:41
intentions are to keep planning, but we. 01:37:46
We understand that you guys may feel differently, so come on up. 01:37:51
And uh. 01:37:55
Can you raise your hands if you're thinking about being part of the public hearing? 01:37:58
Raise them higher. 01:38:02
Higher 123456. 01:38:04
And I just want to, I'm going to go into, I just wanted to confirm if you were actually motioning to go into it going in, going 01:38:08
in. All right, I need a motion to go into a public hearing. We have a first by Marty. Can I get a second, second, second by Sarah 01:38:13
all in favor? 01:38:19
Aye, all right. 01:38:24
This is your time. If you could come up, say your name, where you're from, and what your comment is, we would love to hear from 01:38:27
you today. 01:38:31
Come on up. 01:38:39
Anybody. 01:38:40
Get courageous and start first. 01:38:41
Hi, Mayor and City Council. 01:38:45
I don't mean to seem. 01:38:47
Oh, Julie Gray. 01:38:50
Vineyard. 01:38:53
Umm, what is MAG? 01:38:55
Oh, that's a great question. I'm going to write these down as you go and then I'll answer them. And can you share with the city? 01:38:59
The community members. 01:39:08
The need? 01:39:12
For this building, that's in regards to your city staff. 01:39:14
How far? 01:39:20
You are extended how many employees? 01:39:23
How are you meeting your challenges with the square footage? You have that kind of thing. 01:39:26
OK. Thank you. 01:39:33
Barbara Porter. 01:39:47
I'm a resident. 01:39:49
A vineyard. 01:39:51
My question is. 01:39:52
When you talk about the safety of the citizens. 01:39:56
And our fire station is going to be in a residential home. 01:39:59
Because we didn't have the money. 01:40:05
Why do we have the money for this? 01:40:08
And if that's OK for the fire station? 01:40:11
Why can't you purchase? 01:40:14
A home or two for a couple of $1,000,000. 01:40:16
And put city employees in those homes. 01:40:19
Then when we do have money and we know for certain businesses are coming here. 01:40:23
And they're profitable. 01:40:28
They're going to stay. 01:40:31
And we see the city. 01:40:33
Get stronger financially. 01:40:36
Then we can build these places. We can build a real fire station. We can build. 01:40:38
A biggercity hall. 01:40:44
And sell those homes. 01:40:46
For probably more than you pay for them right now. 01:40:48
The other thing I have to say is as a child, when I went to school, sometimes I was in a bungalow. 01:40:52
Sometimes my kids were in bungalows. 01:40:58
We have a lot of properties sitting right outside. 01:41:01
Why can't there be bungalows? 01:41:04
Just saying there's a lot of different options. 01:41:07
And I think we're going for the prettiest. 01:41:11
And the most Wow. 01:41:14
When we don't have the money, I would like to live in. 01:41:16
Wherever like actually I don't want I want to live by my kids, but. 01:41:20
Most people like my daughter. 01:41:24
She would like to live in a $1.5 million home. 01:41:26
But she also wants to travel, so she has to think about what does she really want. 01:41:29
And she sacrifices and lives in Saratoga Springs with all the traffic because they do like to travel. 01:41:33
So sometimes they're sacrifices to be named. Can I ask a clarifying question? You have mentioned that once you become stronger 01:41:40
financially and that once you can afford it, did you have anything that. 01:41:46
You were hoping us to meet as far as a metric before we would spend money. 01:41:53
On a building, well, I just know that. 01:41:57
For our financial well-being and what we tell our kids. 01:42:01
Is you don't. 01:42:05
Live in a home. 01:42:07
That you is taking all your money. 01:42:09
OK, because there's other things that you want to do with your money. 01:42:11
And so a lot of people talk about. 01:42:18
Having a Community Center. 01:42:20
Or having. 01:42:23
Whatever. I think we have a lot of parks and I think they're pretty nice. I mean. 01:42:25
Grove Park, which is right by where I live. A lot of the equipment. 01:42:29
Is constantly broken when I take my grandkids there. 01:42:33
And so I don't know why it takes so long to get things fixed. 01:42:37
The splash pad could be a lot better. That's like the status splash pad I've seen in Utah. Sorry, but it's true. 01:42:40
Umm, so. 01:42:48
I don't know. I've seen a lot of splash pads because I have a lot of grandkids and I have kids who live in American Fork, Saratoga 01:42:53
Springs, Orem, Linden. So we go to a lot of splash pads. Sorry. 01:42:58
And I still think that the pool that's coming to Vineyard needs to have a lazy river because. 01:43:04
All the kids love that the best. 01:43:09
Thank you. 01:43:12
My name is Carson Walker. 01:43:24
And. 01:43:25
Just a couple of thoughts. 1 is. 01:43:26
You know, the school district is Alpine is splitting up and there'll be a South or Timpanogos district. 01:43:29
And. 01:43:34
I don't know how that's going to impact the RDA and property taxes. 01:43:36
But I think that's something that we should really get clarification on. 01:43:40
Because. 01:43:45
Let's say that the new school board and the new Superintendent and the new business administrator. 01:43:46
Wants to renegotiate or revisit this contract that they're not obligated because it's a former school district. 01:43:52
And a former school board and a former. 01:43:59
Business development. 01:44:02
And then I just have a. 01:44:03
Thought that the Utah Housing and Transit Reinvestment Zones HTRZ. 01:44:06
Allow cities, municipalities to capture a portion. 01:44:11
Of incremental tax revenue, including sales tax revenue. 01:44:14
Generated within a designated area. 01:44:19
Around the transit station to fund development cost. 01:44:21
So I think breaking out. 01:44:24
The OH .5 mile radius. 01:44:26
Of the front runner. 01:44:29
And then how much sales tax could be? 01:44:30
Given to the developer, it would be important in these calculations for financing the bond for this building. 01:44:33
That would be a question, Laura. 01:44:39
I'm Darlene Price, I live at the villas. I just have A2 quick questions. One I think is for Eric. 01:44:49
You said that there were 15 new. 01:44:55
About businesses moving in here. 01:44:57
What are they? 01:45:00
Are you talking about the new businesses that we announced in our report? I'll go ahead and write that question down. You would 01:45:03
like to know, I'd like to know what they are because if we're talking about a. 01:45:07
Diamonds or a Dillard's? 01:45:14
Mercantile company then that's different than another Whataburger. 01:45:16
Right. OK. So that's what I'm looking at because I look at right now. 01:45:21
The the places that we've got are Maverick. 01:45:26
Two car washes. 01:45:30
And a hamburger place. 01:45:32
That's what I see as. 01:45:34
Retail. Now there may be more and the other quick question that I have is did I understand that we are going to use sale tax? 01:45:36
To pay our portion. 01:45:45
Of the bill. 01:45:47
We are OK if we don't have enough sale tax. 01:45:50
To meet our portion of the bill. 01:45:54
What happens? 01:45:57
OK in my house. 01:46:00
If I write a hot check. 01:46:02
I get. 01:46:04
A damage control from my bank. 01:46:06
So that's I'm just concerned about that how if we don't have the sales tax because we don't have the business? 01:46:08
Right, what happens? 01:46:15
OK. 01:46:17
Karen Cornelius, Bill of resident. 01:46:21
And I promise I wasn't going to say anything tonight, but I have burning questions so here I am. I'm not. 01:46:31
On this very good at staying quiet. 01:46:37
But first of all, I would like to say that there's one word. 01:46:39
Surrounding this that has just bothered me from day one. 01:46:42
And that's the word anticipate. 01:46:46
Everything is anticipated and nothing is factual. 01:46:49
And we keep moving ahead. 01:46:54
With no facts. 01:46:56
But we anticipate we're going to have this much in sales tax. We're going to anticipate that our payments are going to look like 01:46:58
this. 01:47:02
And we are in 2A volatile and fragile situation as a new city. 01:47:06
To work on anticipation when it comes to $35 million or more. 01:47:11
Once we add the fees to that. 01:47:16
I have yet to see even as much as an MOU from MAG. 01:47:20
With signatures. 01:47:24
That's all anticipated. Again, that's the word anticipated. 01:47:26
I can't believe that we're moving this far. 01:47:31
Without something concrete, and Erica sent me a couple of documents, but there's nothing concrete in those. 01:47:33
And I could certainly not. 01:47:41
Go and. 01:47:43
Get alone with something as flimsy as what he has sent me. And I don't mean that in a negative way, I'm just saying that it does 01:47:45
not provide. 01:47:49
The facts that we need to move forward on something of this size. 01:47:54
Another question I have is why would we put? 01:47:59
Our City Hall. 01:48:02
In the midst of a mass. 01:48:04
Of rentals. 01:48:07
When you have people that have moved into this part of the city. 01:48:08
Who have come here to stay long term? Who have built this as their home? 01:48:13
And is there a place to abide and you want to go over there in that mass and it is a mass of rentals. 01:48:18
And that's all it is right now. 01:48:24
And I don't think that's fair to those of us who. 01:48:26
Have. 01:48:30
Come in for the long term because that is not going to be long term citizenship. 01:48:31
I can understand the high density now as it was explained to us by LRB. 01:48:41
That that high density might come in handy for. 01:48:47
Sales tax doesn't make me like it though. 01:48:50
There's there's nothing about that that is appealing to a family community. 01:48:53
And we are told we were told last. 01:48:59
City Council meeting. 01:49:02
That they would build some to purchase homes after there was some economic development. 01:49:04
We're not even seeing the sales of economic development going up. So how are we going to bring in these retailers? 01:49:10
To finish off something when there's nothing built to finish off for them to move into. 01:49:17
So there's just a lot of things that I think. 01:49:22
We're going backwards. I don't think we're building this in a smart way. I think we're building. 01:49:25
I'm not sure how this. 01:49:31
Mayor mentioned that this had to do with public safety. I'm not sure how that fits into the equation. 01:49:34
Another part of public safety that I should have asked for public comments, but how are we coming on our. 01:49:40
Public safety plan. 01:49:46
On our master plan for public safety so that those fees are being assessed to all of the. 01:49:48
Builders that are building over there. 01:49:54
Because that is what caused our taxes to go up with public safety. 01:49:56
And I just don't believe. 01:50:02
That we are taking a conservative approach. I think there are many other things that we could do. 01:50:05
And I'm not alone and I think the Council knows that we have started a referendum movement. 01:50:11
And I'm happy to say. 01:50:17
That as a silent majority, we are minority, we are growing to a majority and I think you'll see that. 01:50:19
There are very many concerns that the citizens have. 01:50:26
And I would be hopeful that those concerns are being heard tonight. Thanks. 01:50:30
Alrighty, hi. 01:50:40
My name is Justin Jones, live here on the Meadows, just over there. 01:50:41
I am here representing myself and also several neighbors that I've talked to. Who? 01:50:46
I have a lot of anxiety about participating in public forums like this where people. 01:50:54
And dogpile on each other, sometimes for better, for worse. 01:50:59
I'd like to respectfully offer a counterpoint to Karen's point, which I really actually, I really admire Karen's passion and 01:51:04
energy. 01:51:08
Thank you. 01:51:13
But I will offer a counterpoint. I, I. 01:51:14
For myself, I've taken the time to review the data. 01:51:17
It literally was presented to us right here. 01:51:21
I agree that anticipate is a scary word. 01:51:23
To base future planning off of but. 01:51:26
And you're right, nothing is. 01:51:30
Certain and secure. 01:51:31
Umm, but it's the same thing like when I go to buy a house. 01:51:33
I currently have a job that can afford that. 01:51:38
However. 01:51:40
I count 100% guarantee. 01:51:42
For from now into perpetuity that I'll never get into. An accident that I'll never develop. Miss that I'll never get. 01:51:45
Lou Gehrig's disease that I'll never. 01:51:50
Die from a meteor strike. I mean whatever, you know what I mean? Like life is life is life, and that is. 01:51:53
I was impressed. To me is to show. 01:51:58
That even in the very worst case scenario, even if growth only continues at 1%. 01:52:00
And, and sure, like growth could continue less than 1%, there could be a national cataclysm, but we'd have much bigger problems on 01:52:05
our hand than having to default on a loan. 01:52:10
But for me, the the reassuring thing was to see that even in a very absolute worst case scenario, 1% growth, which Utah really 01:52:14
hasn't seen in forever. 01:52:18
That we still be able to fund this and there's a lot of confidence to me and for those I've agreed to stay up for. 01:52:23
Thank you. 01:52:30
Hello, Bryce Brady. 01:52:37
I love that we're. 01:52:39
Building something for staff. I want to talk about staff. We're putting staff in trailers and stuff keeping. 01:52:42
Good employees for the city here. 01:52:48
Putting them in trailers and bungalows or things like that. 01:52:50
Is not the right answer. 01:52:54
I believe that. 01:52:56
Our staff does need somewhere. 01:52:57
We're outgrowing the places that we have. 01:52:59
And, umm. 01:53:02
Building something now means that they have somewhere they can go now. 01:53:03
Instead of saving money and spending money on temporary solutions, it makes it so that. 01:53:07
We have somewhere now and somewhere for the future. 01:53:13
Um, my, my only problem with the bond is at the expense of it. 01:53:18
To be fiscally responsible, we should be. 01:53:23
Building something very conservative. 01:53:28
Unless there's something I don't know about that's making us build bigger to. 01:53:30
Have certain. 01:53:35
Spaces to lease or have a cafe or things like that. 01:53:36
I don't think that we need those things. 01:53:41
We should plan for our staff and we should plan for our future staff. 01:53:43
And I think amenities wise. 01:53:47
We don't need that kind of stuff in this building. 01:53:50
We can. I think we should be using our space wisely when we talk about having an event space there. 01:53:54
This council room is probably empty for a lot of the time. 01:54:00
It's not just for council meetings. 01:54:04
It's used for event space occasionally. 01:54:06
I think that with this new city office building that should be considered, that council space and event space should be one that. 01:54:10
Spaces should be used wisely and that. 01:54:18
We should cut our budget on this as much as we possibly can just so that in the future when we need that sales. 01:54:21
Sales tax revenue. 01:54:29
We can use it for projects that. 01:54:30
We want or projects that we need. 01:54:33
Like skate park. Yeah, Thanks. Hey, Bryce. 01:54:35
Hey, Price. 01:54:39
And just for clarity purposes, what when you say affordable? 01:54:40
Could you give me an idea? I don't have a specific number, but basically are you looking at the 35 number parameter? No, so I'm 01:54:45
just looking at the. 01:54:51
The plan as a whole, what we have now in the plan, the 35 number, I see that we can afford it with our sales tax, even being 01:54:57
conservative, I see that we can afford that. And that's not the issue that I have. The issue that I do have is. 01:55:02
With at least the last plans that were presented, there were things in there. 01:55:09
An entire story of the building that I think is unnecessary. 01:55:13
And I don't have a specific number. I don't want to say like, oh, if it's $6 million and I'm good with that. I just want us to be. 01:55:17
As fiscally responsible as possible. 01:55:23
If the building is. 01:55:26
$7,000,000 and it has the necessities that we need for our staff and our future staff. 01:55:28
Without a cafe and without a gym and without a leasing space for other people. And I'm OK with that. I just want to make sure 01:55:34
that. 01:55:38
We're just getting what we need and we're not adding any fluff to that. 01:55:42
So leasing. 01:55:45
OK, so I'm going to add that I want to answer your question just yet. 01:55:47
OK. Thanks, Bryce. 01:55:52
Hey Marcus. Hi Council Mayor. Thank you for letting me speak and also thank you for council listening me all the time. I think 01:56:04
some of you are probably sick of me talking about this. 01:56:09
We've, we've discussed many times, some of the questions I have is umm. 01:56:15
Just taxes in general. 01:56:20
Our school district just raised our taxes just barely through 2020. Seven 7% tax increase. 01:56:23
The Utah County just increased our taxes this year. 49 point 6.66% tax increase. 01:56:29
I've asked this question. 01:56:37
Don't have any clarity on this. 01:56:39
I understand the building could be paid through sales tax, but operationally can we afford this? Is it going to be two to five 01:56:41
years coming down? 01:56:44
The pipeline. 01:56:48
And we have to change the certified grade because we have not anticipated operational costs, Rd. call all this other stuff that's 01:56:49
going into there and want to raise our taxes again. 01:56:54
My thought process is work. In addition to when we split in 2027, in all likelihood we're probably going to see another tax 01:56:59
increase from our school district. 01:57:03
And so there's all these financial burdens that are hitting. 01:57:07
In multiple times and. 01:57:10
The question is. 01:57:12
That's one of my questions is. 01:57:14
Is are we going to, can we afford this operationally? 01:57:16
Another thing is, is there any way we can do this where everybody. 01:57:20
Where I know we've been discussing this on social media and in person. 01:57:24
Where everybody is satisfied, where we get a building. 01:57:27
That houses our staff. 01:57:30
That with this mag portion because they're going to pay the portion. 01:57:32
And that's it. 01:57:35
And no other cost available, what does that building cost? 01:57:36
And can we have places for staff? That's the immediate need Mag I know it's understands a partner and stuff like that. But what 01:57:40
would be a cost that would be 6-8 million? What would what would be that cost? I'd love to hear what the city thinks because. 01:57:46
I think there's a way for everybody if they want. 01:57:55
Not a potentially. 01:57:57
Going back to the well multiple times to get up to a certain amount. 01:58:00
And but. 01:58:04
A building that. 01:58:06
They can held our staff, you know that can help our staff. 01:58:07
At a possibly a cheaper rate. I don't know what that is. I would love to hear what you guys this. 01:58:10
Your guys's estimates on that also too. 01:58:15
And lastly. 01:58:19
It's funny because sometimes in politics. 01:58:22
When I was when when Utah City came out and I was defending it, we were. 01:58:25
Probably against Jacob and other people, but now we see ourselves in alignment with this city, with this City Hall thing and. 01:58:29
I I I support Utah City and the reason I supported it is because. 01:58:36
These projects allow our city allow our staff. 01:58:42
And allow our city to give a tax break. 01:58:45
With all the sales tax revenue that's coming from Utah City. 01:58:48
Give a tax break knowing, anticipating, coming down the road all the tax increases that are coming. 01:58:50
And we're four years overdue on recession. 01:58:56
And all this other stuff that's coming down the pipeline. And so my thought was. 01:58:59
I support it because. 01:59:04
I see all the sales tax revenue coming from I would like to give our residents. 01:59:05
Well, possible a tax break giving. 01:59:09
You know, we have 5000, I think we have 5000 households, giving every household $200 or something like that instead of spending on 01:59:12
a large building. We don't. 01:59:16
We don't necessarily in spaces we don't necessarily need. 01:59:20
And I was actually talking to Bronson about this the other day, and this is one of the reasons I support it because. 01:59:23
I would like to take if we were whatever revenues we have. 01:59:30
Build the smallest building we can possible and give our residents, I don't know, you know, take half of that and give it back to 01:59:34
our residents. 01:59:38
And so they can afford things that are coming down the pipeline. 01:59:42
So when we're and there's a lot of our residents that are living paycheck to paycheck that they can. 01:59:45
A relief from the city would actually be good fiscally, fiscal, sound policy. I say that because. 01:59:52
In many instances, from our county to other places, every year we're raising taxes. 01:59:57
Often the pay staff and stuff like that and for me it's. 02:00:02
Sometimes a little tone deaf of what's actually coming down the pipeline. 02:00:07
And so I would love to see our revenues. 02:00:11
I would love to see what your thoughts are in our revenues. Is there any way we can give a tax break in the immediacy? 02:00:14
With with what we've done with Utah City and other things like that. That's all the comments I have. Thank you. 02:00:21
Hello, I'm Annika Bartholomew. I live in the locks. 02:00:50
And I mostly have a list of questions for you, and I'm sorry if these are things the people who have been to a few more council 02:00:53
meetings and I have one already know the answer to, but. 02:00:57
I do know that there are things that a lot of members of the community have been asking on social media and things like that. 02:01:02
So one thing that I've seen as a potential cost of not moving forward with this plan is the land that's being donated. 02:01:08
And so I think some of us are just wondering. 02:01:14
Is there some sort of? 02:01:17
Deal with the developer where if we don't move forward with this particular plan, that donation goes away. 02:01:19
Or can we do something smaller on that land or wait a little bit and build in a couple of years on that land? I just need some 02:01:24
clarity there would be helpful. 02:01:28
I really am excited about the idea of a MAG partnership because I imagine that being there in the same building with them probably 02:01:33
positions Vineyard really well to. 02:01:38
Be an influencer with other governments around and hopefully to be able to make more relationships there. I was just wondering, 02:01:43
and I'm sorry if this has already been said and I missed it, but if they're going to be a part owner of the building or if they're 02:01:48
leasing from us and. 02:01:53
Kind of what kind of? 02:01:58
Like how many years you're looking at as a commitment vaccine of thing just because I think a lot of people are worried about 02:02:00
their being. 02:02:03
Empty space in the building that we can't sell. 02:02:07
There have been some discussions with Councilman Holdaway on that. 02:02:10
The emergency reserves, but the city has. 02:02:14
So if someone if we could speak a little bit more fully to that, because I understand that there are some limitations that the 02:02:19
state code puts on how much we can reserve. 02:02:23
But I'm not sure how close to that limitation we are and I think a lot of us have. 02:02:28
Gotten the impression that we only have a month or two worth of emergency funds, which I think makes a lot of people very nervous, 02:02:32
so if we could get some clarity there. 02:02:36
And then I guess just. 02:02:41
Wondering if there's a way to structure the building so that is closer to the size that we need now. 02:02:42
But built in a way that makes it easy to build on more later if we do in fact see the kind of growth we're anticipating. 02:02:48
Or if there's really only a way to build it larger now in hopes that we grow into it. 02:02:56
So thank you. That's perfect. 02:03:01
How many more people are left to comment? 02:03:04
Can you raise your hands? 02:03:08
OK. 02:03:13
I'm going to invite you guys back up. 02:03:14
To answer some questions and. 02:03:17
If you want to jump in and answer questions too. 02:03:20
And did you OK, you guys are leaving? 02:03:23
I just want to make sure you're not coming up. 02:03:27
All right. Umm. 02:03:30
All right, let's go ahead and. 02:03:31
Go through some questions. 02:03:33
That I think are needed for this discussion. 02:03:36
All right, Eric, I think it's something that would be good to address for the public is. 02:03:44
The they talked about the number of employees, the challenges, the square footage. 02:03:50
Chris talked about this in the last meeting, but maybe just briefly, we could go quickly on some of these items of how we're 02:03:56
actually measuring out the space and the ownership between our partners. 02:04:01
And then closeout on that item. 02:04:06
Sure. So. 02:04:12
Today we have approximately 55 full time employees. 02:04:15
We are spread between 3 buildings. 02:04:20
In the City Hall here. 02:04:23
We have numerous staff meeting or housed in offices built for one we have. 02:04:26
Offices with three. 02:04:32
3/2. 02:04:34
People in closets. 02:04:35
We're at capacity in this in this space. Will you clarify the closet statement? 02:04:38
Our public treasurer. 02:04:44
Is in a printer. 02:04:45
Printer alcove, Yeah, yeah. 02:04:49
We also have office space over in the HBA. 02:04:52
We have 2500 square feet of office space over there and we are at capacity over there in both, in both offices we have kind of a 02:04:55
row, a single desk that's supposed to be place where you put. 02:05:01
Materials and printers and so forth. 02:05:08
And we have multiple people lined up there. 02:05:11
We have spaces on those. 02:05:14
Shelves where we have. 02:05:19
Part time employees that are in the same space. One comes in Monday, Wednesday, Friday, the next one comes in Thursday. 02:05:22
Or Tuesday and Thursday. 02:05:30
And then one of those people is coming in the morning. 02:05:32
And then somebody and then our IT specialist comes in the afternoon and so. 02:05:36
We have geared our space so finely tuned that. 02:05:41
That's where we are today. 02:05:45
We're talking about building a. 02:05:47
Structure that will be completed at the earliest 18 months. 02:05:48
And we are growing. 02:05:54
Like wildfire. 02:05:56
So the need for additional staff with. 02:05:57
With every additional 500 people. 02:06:00
And every additional road and so forth continues to grow every year. 02:06:03
We're having to make staffing decisions today. 02:06:10
To not hire people simply because we do not have a place for them to go. 02:06:13
We're very much maxed out over at the HBA building and there's no additional space in that building that we could lease. 02:06:19
The public works. 02:06:26
Offices we've been. 02:06:27
Trying to figure out a way to expand that because they too are at capacity. 02:06:29
That's at the North End of the city. 02:06:34
What we're planning for in the Vineyard Center. 02:06:36
Is enough space for ourselves. 02:06:39
And and when we're talking about. 02:06:42
This superfluous space. 02:06:44
This is room for us to grow. 02:06:47
So by leasing it today, it offsets the cost of that space temporarily until we need it so that it doesn't actually cost us today 02:06:49
to have it. 02:06:55
But we get to lock in the price of building today. 02:07:00
That is rapidly increasing. 02:07:04
We have an escalation rate of 12% per year right now. 02:07:06
Which means that a build a $30 million building. 02:07:10
Every month that we wait. 02:07:14
Is $300,000. 02:07:16
Lost, and so the cost of waiting is substantial. 02:07:18
By moving our city. 02:07:23
Over to the Vineyard Center and partnering with MAG. 02:07:25
Will own and share a good portion of that space as was described earlier. 02:07:29
Means that this building. 02:07:35
That was designed and intended to be a public safety building. 02:07:37
Can allow our public safety to expand into the office space of this structure. 02:07:40
It also allows for our Vineyard library. 02:07:45
To expand across our upper floor to the north. 02:07:48
And so it satisfies both of those at the same time. 02:07:52
And are clearly our Vineyard library is. 02:07:55
Is not large enough and is ready to expand. They have phenomenal programming and tons of cool opportunity to grow. 02:07:59
Just no space to do it right now so are moving over there. 02:08:07
Allows them to grow across that upper floor space. 02:08:11
I don't know if there was other questions in that question. 02:08:15
I think you entered the public safety. They're already growing into our. 02:08:19
Conference Room This room is utilized continuously for meetings and other things, not just events, but constantly. 02:08:24
Mag is not just a leaser, they're an owner, a part owner. So that I think answered some questions. 02:08:32
Let's see, I'll go back through it. 02:08:38
Umm, there was. 02:08:41
I could answer one more, but I just have a note for. 02:08:44
Someone suggested could we build small and just plan to build on after? 02:08:48
We have posed that question to the architect. 02:08:52
It is substantially more expensive to. 02:08:55
Add on to a building. 02:08:58
Later than it is to build shelf space today. 02:09:00
That is either leased or just shelled. 02:09:04
And fill that later with improvements. 02:09:07
And so building to the. 02:09:10
To what we're envisioning going into. 02:09:12
And allowing some of that to be leased today? 02:09:14
Is most certainly the most cost effective route. Somebody mentioned how they wanted to see. 02:09:18
Parks being better taken care of, community centers, better splash pads, things like that. 02:09:25
Operationally, all of those things take the employees that we don't have the space for to continue to hire. So there's disruption 02:09:31
of services, but you can't move into amenities without taking care of essential staff. Well, what else were you going to say? 02:09:37
So our Parks Department is in. 02:09:49
Two single offices and there are 9 park staff. 02:09:51
Sorry, there's 4. 02:09:57
Four, Yeah. 02:09:59
There were two. Yeah, that's really important. 02:10:01
Umm there was a clarified Brian wasn't on the microphone. Will you clarify what he said? 4 full time park staff. 02:10:04
Five part time park staff into office in two offices that were designed for a single individuals. 02:10:12
And so adding. 02:10:18
Adding park staff is one of those restraints that we have today. 02:10:21
That make it difficult and I'm not excusing any. 02:10:26
Malfunctioning parks equipment we try to be. 02:10:30
Very good about. 02:10:33
Working on those. 02:10:35
If you look through this month's. 02:10:36
Parks report. 02:10:38
They have been knocking out. 02:10:39
Find details across all of our parks in a fabulous way. 02:10:42
Making making the most out of out of what they have. OK. 02:10:47
Laura, somebody had a question about the TRV and sales tax revenue .5 radius of the developer? 02:10:52
Councilman Ruffles away brought that forward for you to answer. 02:11:01
So HRD's are used as stated they have it. You can only create the zone for a half a mile around a transit hub. 02:11:09
And within that half mile, you can. 02:11:18
Effectively, let's think about a redirecting the sales tax from that area to a specific project. 02:11:21
So you have to think about we're pledging all of the sales tax is what we're contemplating as opposed to a small subset, right? 02:11:27
So yes, it can be done without knowing very specifically what type of businesses are coming in there and doing a study. 02:11:37
Independent third party study, not just. 02:11:45
You know me trying to look at SIC code, whatever, right? 02:11:48
But when they'll come, what's average we spent, I wouldn't have any way of knowing whether it would be significant enough revenues 02:11:52
to pay for the debt service. 02:11:56
So it doesn't generate new sales tax revenue. It's a matter of directing the sales tax revenue within that HDRC to a specific 02:12:00
project. 02:12:05
There was another question about, well let me answer that legally. So we created an HCRZ. So legally did they have that in that 02:12:10
content? Does he tested he have it in their contract to get our sales tax and that done? 02:12:16
Like would we be obligated currently? 02:12:22
I'm not the attorney but I do know with other H chairs that I've worked in, once you create the HTRZ zone then how that? 02:12:26
You know whether it's the property tax because you can also use property tax within an HDRZ zone, the tax increment of that right? 02:12:34
It's already been pledged, then you can't double pledge it. 02:12:41
But you can use the tax increment and the sales tax. 02:12:44
If that's what's been designated as a charity was created. 02:12:48
But then you know how you decide to use it is by a separate contract either. 02:12:52
With the developer, the city can use it for its own. 02:12:58
Needs or whatever. 02:13:01
What's our HRC? Is it? Is it? 02:13:02
Sales tax and. 02:13:07
The bowl, OK. 02:13:08
So are we obligated then? 02:13:11
With that, well, the zones been created, but I don't know that there are obligations yet with. 02:13:14
Associated with those revenues so like so Laura's. 02:13:20
Directing you the right way on that. 02:13:24
So the grocery store is not we will collect all the sales tax on the grocery store. 02:13:26
Even though it's not, you'd have to tell me where it's located. I don't know. 02:13:32
I haven't been. The question was how do I not know? I don't. I haven't been engaged to work with the city on this HR Z Zone. 02:13:39
OK. 02:13:47
OK, what are the questions was? 02:13:49
Well, I think there was a question between the difference between property tax and sales tax and how they're different. 02:13:53
Another one was. 02:14:00
We should only be spending money that we have and we can't do this if we can't afford it. 02:14:02
And that we wouldn't want to write a check. 02:14:07
That we couldn't pay off, and I think there was. 02:14:10
We want to get to a point where it's affordable and I'm not really sure that that maybe there's more clarity we can provide there. 02:14:14
One of the basis of it was to say. 02:14:19
What we're doing is we're compromising. 02:14:25
The sales tax that we could be spending on other things and I think that clarity could be brought to the table too. 02:14:27
So when I heard those questions, my mind kind of went to who was going to be the biggest critic of whether or not you can afford 02:14:35
this, and that will be the rating agencies. 02:14:40
A lot of time studying every cities across the nation that, you know, structure their bonds. 02:14:48
And they don't want to see a single piece or multiple pieces of debt bankrupt in the city because then what's going to happen? 02:14:55
You won't be able to pay your debt. 02:15:03
And they give it a rating saying this is how we expect. You know what we what our expectations are think of like, you know, an A 02:15:05
is that your good grade in in school? 02:15:11
The highest rating rating agency is this AAA. 02:15:18
There are. 02:15:22
Out of state is AAA. There are a handful of cities that have AAA ratings. 02:15:23
I believe that the rating agencies. 02:15:28
And in my opinion, unnecessarily POI sort of small cities because they do a lot of things with ratio analysis and so small cities 02:15:32
kind of, you know, suffering with that ratio analysis. 02:15:37
I'm going to go AAA single A. 02:15:42
And Triple B. 02:15:45
And then within each of those grades, there's a plus like again, like you get to school, you could get an A+ so you can get an A 02:15:47
minus. 02:15:50
Same kind of thing. 02:15:53
So I expect that the the city's rating on the sales tax bonds would be. 02:15:55
In like I say the A + 2 AA minus range. 02:16:00
Which is phenomenal. You know that that says that they highly expect. 02:16:04
That you'll be able to pay that debt. 02:16:10
They look at your historical sales tax and franchise tax revenues. They look at what the projections are. 02:16:12
We make a presentation about, you know, the city's general fund. I guess it is not just a here's our sales tax, here's our 02:16:20
financial taxes, our debt, bye, bye. I mean, it's a very long. 02:16:25
Lengthy, ask a lot of questions kind of process. 02:16:31
And they also want to make sure that you can still pay your other bills, so to speak, right? 02:16:34
So that's why when we looked at the coverage again at the Conservative. 02:16:41
Uber conservative, 1% growth. 02:16:47
I think it was 3.53. Let's see how good my old family is. I think that was the lowest the coverage ever was. 02:16:50
And you know, that's that's quite typical for cities that I work with that have sales tax revenue bond. 02:16:58
So umm umm. 02:17:05
You do have the money today to be paying that debt service. 02:17:08
We believe it is wise and prudent. 02:17:14
I mean, I could structure it so that it's leveled that service, so that day one you're paying the same debt payment that you'll be 02:17:18
paying in 25 years. 02:17:22
I would like to see whether anyone in this room is making the same amount of money they made 25 years ago. 02:17:28
Yes, I know. I mean, I could do lots of examples, you know, Are you paying the same amount you paid for bacon 25 years ago, right? 02:17:36
I mean. 02:17:40
Those revenues are going to increase. 02:17:45
Will they fluctuate a little bit year to year? Yes, because things happen. 02:17:48
But the trend line will be that those revenues will increase, particularly in a growing city like yours. 02:17:52
So what are other examples of where we've issued debt that grows overtime? 02:17:59
Eagle Mountain. 02:18:04
I just did a deal for. 02:18:05
Lehigh Lehigh's was structured actually around their other debt, so they have a structure where there's. 02:18:07
Not much principal payment for several years. 02:18:13
And they basically wrapped the the principle of this new debt that they needed. 02:18:16
Around that debt. 02:18:21
So, umm. 02:18:23
You know everyone in my industry, the rating agencies, bond purchasers, underwriters. 02:18:26
Everyone recognizes that there will be growth overtime, so to maintain. 02:18:31
A reasonable amount in your current budget today to pay for those other things. 02:18:36
We have advised that you use some prudence and ramping that debt up overtime. 02:18:42
Now if I was up here saying we're going to ramp that up to 10% a year for 20 years, that would be lunacy, right? 02:18:49
We typically will ramp it up. 02:18:56
Something the neighborhood of five to you know, 15% for the first several years. 02:18:58
And then we level the debt service out. Why do I do that? Well, because. 02:19:04
In 10 years, your bonds will be callable, in 10 years we'll know what those revenues are in 10 years and we can, you know, likely 02:19:09
lower the interest rate because you'll be down the yield curve and we'll restructure the debt at that time. 02:19:16
So, umm, everything we're doing you can afford. 02:19:23
My 36 year career. 02:19:27
You know is behind that. I haven't put a city in to default yet, and I don't plan on doing that with you. 02:19:30
I don't think I've maybe got everything in my. 02:19:39
Mayor comments One quick clarification or addition to what Laura was sharing is that. 02:19:41
Somebody asked. 02:19:47
Worst worst case scenario, should we default? What happens? 02:19:48
And to clarify that point. 02:19:52
A sales tax revenue bond. 02:19:55
The collateral. 02:19:57
Associated with the sales tax revenue bond is simply. 02:19:59
Your sales tax revenue. 02:20:03
So they can come back and try to take property tax or any other. 02:20:05
Revenue source? They could franchise and sales tax or what? 02:20:09
We're collateralizing. 02:20:14
And therefore. 02:20:16
They could garnish, so to speak. 02:20:18
Our sales tax as it's right as it arrives at the state. 02:20:20
Any access were to come to us so. 02:20:25
That's more of a scenario where. 02:20:28
We were making bad priorities and not paying for our debt. 02:20:30
Well, and I guess to that point, so you were saying earlier we have a 39% or some kind of high percentage, you mentioned 40, you 02:20:35
went through several different numbers. 02:20:40
Some average that says we have really good sales tax revenue on average. 02:20:45
But we're putting it all the way down to 1%, which is unreasonable, but why we're doing it is the worst case scenario to get to 02:20:49
this place. And in that column we find. 02:20:54
That even at the worst case scenario, we don't compromise the amount of sales tax revenue we're receiving annually right now. So 02:20:58
we remain strong where we don't compromise additional services. That was a big question that came out. 02:21:06
Are we going to suddenly not be able to pay for all of these other things that people want to see if we provide for public safety 02:21:14
and essential civic services? 02:21:18
So I am, as Eric has appropriately stated, there is nothing in this bond documents. 02:21:23
That could require a bondholder through the trustee or anything, to come in and force you to raise property taxes. 02:21:31
That is not what they have a pledge of. They have a pledge of your sales tax. 02:21:38
The pledge of your franchise fees, and just like Eric said, if you know you went rogue or something and didn't make a bond 02:21:43
payment. 02:21:46
The trustee will first call you and say, oh hey, did you forget to submit that? 02:21:49
And if it was oh, yeah, then OK, we submit it. That doesn't happen very often. If it's, oh, hey, you just didn't pay, you know, 02:21:54
we're not gonna pay. 02:21:57
They contact the state, the state. 02:22:01
Peels it off because that's what you have close to them. Can I Can I have you answer? 02:22:04
One argument that's often made is. 02:22:10
We do use part of our self tax revenue right now in our general budget, yes. And so I think one of the concerns if you could 02:22:13
answer to if worst case scenario. 02:22:19
Is that? 02:22:25
If we're using up all of our sales tax revenue, then it leaves our general fund at a disadvantage. So I mean, how would you 02:22:27
respond to that? 02:22:31
So it's again, at a minimum, what we're showing is that we anticipate you'll have 3 1/2 times coverage. So that would mean my head 02:22:35
math isn't that good. I could do if I whipped up a calculator here. But let's go, let's go with the easy math, right? Let's assume 02:22:41
you only had two times coverage, right? 02:22:47
And which means for every dollar of debt payment you have annually, you would be collecting $2.00 in sales tax and you're 02:22:54
collecting $3.50 more. But it makes the math harder. 02:22:59
So if you only have two, two times coverage. 02:23:05
In order to be to the point where you had no extra sales tax revenue to go into your general fund, your sales tax revenues would 02:23:09
have to drop. 02:23:13
50%. 02:23:18
Even in the worst of times, right? Again, I've done this for 36 years and I have seen cities have sales tax drop for a couple of 02:23:21
years, right? Let's think 2008, 2009. 02:23:26
Right. Recession, Right. 02:23:32
They go down. 02:23:35
10:00-ish percent. 02:23:37
You know, maybe. 02:23:39
5% then things turn around, they start coming back up. 02:23:41
So again, you would have to assume. 02:23:46
Again, it's not quite because of the 350. You would have to assume that your sales tax revenues dropped by 2/3 / 66%. 02:23:49
So that there was no excess money from your sales and franchise fees to go into your. 02:23:57
General Fund and. 02:24:04
And that's at a 1% and that is a 1% out of 1% sales tax increase annually right now. So that's not even accounting for actual 02:24:06
growth, correct. So is it possible? I remember a year ago when we talked about this. 02:24:14
I specifically remember asking for worst case scenario numbers like I wanted to see that we could afford it. 02:24:22
If it was another COVID or 2008 and so I really appreciate. 02:24:27
That we keep bringing back the worst case scenario numbers. I'm just curious if you could give us. 02:24:32
Another spreadsheet that shows a 4%. 02:24:37
What that would look like and you said it possibly is more likely in the 7% rate? 02:24:41
But I'm just curious what a 4% would look like. I would be happy to do that would be awesome. 02:24:45
And I will tell you, the rating agencies will stress test it. What do they stress test it for? They go back and look at what 02:24:51
happened to cities in general in 2008, 2009. And they say, oh, what if we have that happen again? 02:24:58
And they slap that in there in their model again when they're coming up with their rating to see what they think that risk is. But 02:25:05
again, never, never have I ever. 02:25:10
Seen sales tax drop by 66%. 02:25:16
And that would be. 02:25:20
Mind blowing. 02:25:22
Another question I'm going to address, hopefully you're OK with it relates to sales, excuse me, to property taxes. Again, I've 02:25:23
made it clear, property tax is not on the line for this debt. There is no way, no how. 02:25:30
Anyone can legally afford legally require you to raise property taxes. 02:25:36
Does that mean that I don't think for the next 25 years you will? 02:25:41
Need to raise property taxes? 02:25:46
No, it does not mean that I. 02:25:48
I kind of like to get on my educational. 02:25:52
Behind my educational podium. 02:25:55
And remind constituents as often as I can. 02:25:57
The way the property tax system works in Utah is that if you do not adjust your property tax. 02:26:01
When it falls naturally because it will fall naturally the way the Utah. 02:26:10
Property tax system is set up. 02:26:16
It does not. 02:26:20
Stay at the same rate. 02:26:22
If your property. 02:26:25
Values go up. 02:26:27
You do get to capture new growth. 02:26:29
But whenever I ask like my friends stay people at church. 02:26:32
Your property value probably went up this year. Do you think you're paying more in property taxes because of that? You know, they 02:26:38
all say. 02:26:41
Yes, everyone assumes. 02:26:45
That if my if I bought my house for 400,000 and now it's worth 500, they assume that is the reason they're paying more property 02:26:47
tax. 02:26:51
That is true if you pop over to Nevada. 02:26:55
It is not true in Utah. 02:26:58
That property tax rate adjusts down. 02:27:01
When your property value goes up. 02:27:05
So then they say, well. 02:27:08
Why am I paying more on property taxes? And that's why I can't remember which film I said well. 02:27:10
They have to go through the process of raising property taxes. The county has done that. 02:27:16
The school district has done that because if they don't. 02:27:21
They're losing buying power every year. 02:27:25
Your salaries of staff are going up, your public safety cost is going up, and your property tax rate. 02:27:28
Is going down. 02:27:35
And it's unsustainable over a long period of time. 02:27:36
So I don't want anyone to walk away going, oh, they're never going to have to raise property taxes just because you're not 02:27:40
pledging property taxes to this. 02:27:44
To be prudent in managing your city, you really need to consider. 02:27:48
Some type of property tax increase every. 02:27:53
One to four years there. I've made that. I think there is clarity in what you're saying, though. This isn't property tax. 02:27:56
This is sales tax revenue. 02:28:04
Secondly, we didn't lose the sales tax revenue that we need even at a 1% growth. 02:28:06
So at a normal rate, it would be growing. So to Marcus Jessup's comment. 02:28:12
What if we needed to account for the losses that came in from other people raising their property taxes? We still have the funds 02:28:18
available to pay for the things that we need to make sure that we're paying for public safety through those other revenues if we 02:28:23
needed to, without raising property taxes. 02:28:28
But your point is we always recoup inflation so that our buying power doesn't go well. You don't recoup inflation if you don't go 02:28:33
through truth. Yes, yes, you would. What I mean is you would do that if you wanted to recoup inflation, Correct. All right. 02:28:41
There was a quick question about operational costs and if we are accounting for them. 02:28:51
Eric. 02:28:57
Say that again, I'm sorry. There was a quick question about operational costs and upper accounting for them. 02:28:58
Operational cost of the building. 02:29:05
It is we're paying for the building. Can we pay for the lights, the water, the utilities, where we're going to be? Are we counting 02:29:07
for that and all of this and then our. 02:29:12
Can we afford it in the building that we're moving in through? Is I think the question correct? Yes. 02:29:17
And then the other thing was people are saying that we don't have the emergency reserves necessary. 02:29:23
Christy, I think you could just touch on this really briefly. 02:29:28
One quick point. 02:29:31
Christie has a presentation. 02:29:33
Just in a moment here in our. 02:29:36
On our agenda, that does cover that specific question, do you want to have her present first or no? I think the reason why I'm 02:29:39
bringing it to the table is because I feel like one of the things that's being lost here is people think that we're going after a 02:29:46
$35 million bond, but we're actually talking about 18.5 and what we're looking at. 02:29:52
And then I'm talking about our finances because the questions that came from the public is that we're not able to afford this. And 02:29:59
so we had Laura get back up to explain that this is fiscally conservative. 02:30:05
We can't afford it. 02:30:11
And the reason I would bring up the reserves is because if we have no reserves and we're at full depletion of our reserves and 02:30:12
we're not meeting what we need to, then there's a loss there because we're saying are we compromising our sales tax revenue? Is 02:30:18
this taking care of our property tax or what's happening to our reserves? So for the final financial piece of this. 02:30:25
I just want the people to know that our reserves are in good. 02:30:31
In good working order, and in fact so much so that we got. 02:30:35
Audit is on one for a second while we were saving for other things, you know that's not important, but the point is out of the 5 02:30:39
to 35% needed. 02:30:43
We we were healthy in our reserves. 02:30:48
Right. So not last year, not 24 because we had a clean out in 24, but the two years prior to that. 02:30:52
Our fund balance was too high. 02:30:58
I just wanted to share real quick. 02:31:00
I think a little education on fund balance and what we're talking about is appropriate. 02:31:03
In government you have a general fund. You have one general fund. 02:31:07
And in that fund you have everything from the mayor and council to finance to recorder parks and rec. 02:31:12
On special events. 02:31:18
All of those accounts, all those departments are included in Funds 10 in our budget. 02:31:20
I think it's also important to realize we do not have any bonds. 02:31:26
For our general fund. 02:31:30
We have water and sewer bonds that are related to our enterprise funds. 02:31:32
And we also have bonds related to the RDA. 02:31:37
But we currently do not have any bonds. 02:31:40
That are tied up with our general fund. 02:31:43
Just so you can read the slide as well as I can tell you. 02:31:46
A general fund budget is subject to budgetary control. 02:31:50
It has to be pre approved by council. 02:31:54
A department cannot spend 1 penny more. 02:31:56
Than what the Council has approved. 02:31:59
There are budget to actual reports that we give to the Council quarterly so that they can see where we are trending on the year. 02:32:03
And then accountability, I mentioned earlier about the transparency website and what has to happen there. 02:32:10
And then also we're required to. 02:32:15
An annual audit. So that is the general fund. 02:32:18
Enterprise Funds. 02:32:23
Are for our services. So water, sewer, storm water and transportation are the enterprise funds that Vineyard has. 02:32:25
Those are meant to be like a business. 02:32:33
They are meant to be self-sustaining. 02:32:35
They are meant to have a balance and that balance can go up and down depending on the projects that they have going on because 02:32:38
they are very infrastructure heavy. We're talking the water tank and booster station, we're talking sewer pipeline, we're talking 02:32:44
roadways. So those are usually and like I said, those fund balances grow because we have projects that we need to put those funds 02:32:49
to as we go forward. 02:32:55
I did want to show. 02:33:02
The question about the 5 to 25%. 02:33:05
This only applies to the general fund, so not to the internal Service funds, the Capital Projects fund or any of the enterprise 02:33:08
funds. 02:33:12
The state code says. 02:33:16
That you can't have lower than 5. 02:33:18
And you can't have more than 35% of unrestricted funds. 02:33:21
We are well within that mid range we in the general fund in fact like I mentioned last year. 02:33:26
The way that you can avoid getting in trouble and being over that is you can transfer. 02:33:33
Money to your capital projects for future projects and that's what we had to do last year in order to not be over the 35% in our 02:33:37
general fund. 02:33:41
So our funds are very healthy. 02:33:45
And just for clarity. 02:33:49
In 2020, there was 23% and I'm just going to go up in order until 2523 percent, 29 percent, 35 percent, 38 percent, 33%. And then 02:33:51
right now it's between 5 and 35% as we get ready to go into the budget year and then we'll know. 02:33:59
And what Chrissy was talking about, she explained it very well. Then there's working capital and the GFOA talks about how you 02:34:07
should have two months and we are beyond two months. We are three to 38 months on some of our funds. 02:34:13
So all are very healthy. 02:34:20
Umm, to that point, I'm gonna ask for a motion to go out of a public hearing. 02:34:22
There are more questions that didn't get answered. Do we want to go over that together as a council? 02:34:27
Umm, there were a lot of questions that weren't necessarily about the resolution itself. Well, with finances, it was. See which 02:34:31
one did you want to go? Well, there were several. I'll just name a few and see if you want to approach them. But I felt like they 02:34:37
were meaningful questions. 02:34:42
Someone asked if we have an MOU with MAG or something signed with details. 02:34:49
Someone asked about the land. If we don't utilize it now, what happens? 02:34:55
Another question that I felt. 02:35:00
Was meaningful. 02:35:03
Who is mag? I thought that was? 02:35:07
Meaningful question I think if the residents. 02:35:09
Need a summary of that. I think that would be helpful. 02:35:12
I did feel like that was just a little bit, but we'll go ahead and talk about it. So MAG is the Mountain Land Association of 02:35:15
Governments. There are regional partners. What they do is they work on transportation for regional projects. 02:35:22
They help us. 02:35:30
Decide and point to where those roads go and what's most important for our transportation across the entire region. 02:35:31
And having a partner, a partner like that within our community that really understands our community and is having all of the 02:35:42
regional decision makers come to our community is highly important and is a partnership you. 02:35:49
Get lucky to have. 02:35:57
And so we are. 02:35:58
We were really excited about the opportunity for Vineyard because that's. 02:36:01
It's eyes on our city. Sometimes you get to go and corral all over those people to come to your city in hopes that they understand 02:36:07
and they see your projects. And sometimes they just get to come to your city because you happen to be the location. It's like 02:36:12
being the county. 02:36:17
And in this sense, it's the MPO or MAG that is part of that. 02:36:23
I'm an MOU. What you were given were minutes of approvals for this partnership. And what that is, is it's a public vote by all of 02:36:28
the decision makers that gave their executive board the ability to move forward with this transaction and start moving down this 02:36:36
road and through this process for the point at which we are, which is the bottom parameters resolution and design. 02:36:43
And so it was not a maybe, it was a complete vote. 02:36:51
And then the land. 02:36:56
The land. 02:36:58
Eric, do you want to explain the land? 02:37:01
Yeah, so. 02:37:04
Right now the. 02:37:06
Green Line of the Utah City development. 02:37:07
Is uh. 02:37:10
Under construction and having completion buildings completed rapidly. 02:37:12
As those buildings are completed. 02:37:17
The the parcels surrounding that, one of which is what? 02:37:19
Partial 10A is where the city Vineyard Center would be located. 02:37:23
There is an interest by the developer in having that. 02:37:27
Area completed. 02:37:31
It'll it'll go up the Green line and then it'll go to the north to the Huntsman Cancer. 02:37:33
Site and so they are focused on completing. 02:37:38
Development kind of in a buffered area through the Green Line and to the north. 02:37:42
If the city chooses to. 02:37:47
For whatever reason. 02:37:50
Hold off and not. 02:37:51
Complete the construction of the Vineyard Center at that site. 02:37:53
We would lose that parcel. 02:37:57
And be relocated somewhere else because I can't have a parcel. 02:37:59
Are undeveloped along this perfectly developed area. 02:38:04
For very long. 02:38:08
So there's a window of opportunity for us to develop there. 02:38:09
If we missed that window of opportunity. 02:38:12
We would work with them to find a parcel elsewhere in. 02:38:15
OK. And maybe one of the reasons why this is meaningful is because? 02:38:19
When we talk about raising property taxes and building community centers, those things are. 02:38:24
Geo bonds usually that come in and they build recreation centers because they are additional amenities. They're not your base 02:38:29
services that bring you your water, your snow, plowing, all of the things that you need day-to-day. 02:38:35
To really the function of government to pick up trash, things like that and so. 02:38:41
Those things come back to the people in a different form than us, just taking care of your basic needs, and these are the basic 02:38:48
needs that we're talking about today. 02:38:53
And so having this building right in the heart of this area by an Aquatic Center along a green line near an area that has. 02:38:57
Recreation opportunities. 02:39:09
Brings the community to a space and together that provides for your basic services and needs, allows for police not only to grow 02:39:11
in here, but have satellite opportunities for ambulatory services and police in the downtown, which we will need those separations 02:39:16
over time. 02:39:22
And then? 02:39:28
Allow people to access recreation opportunities where we don't have to spend that money right now. The world will grow into the 02:39:29
will grow into them in the future. Another thing that was said was we're not building anything right now, but we talked about. 02:39:37
Several businesses that were under construction, hotel, grocery store and Huntsman Cancer Institute. 02:39:45
Buildings that are going vertical right now along the Geneva line office space. 02:39:53
And all of these are actually cells that are going up right now. And so and what they talked about today was that those aren't 02:39:58
being accounted for in these numbers. 02:40:03
But we know that they're coming. So when we say anticipate if these number of businesses, we know they're there, they're building, 02:40:08
they are in cell form. 02:40:12
Anyway, I want to move out of a public hearing so that we can have our discussion so. 02:40:17
Can I get a second? We have a first by Marty. 02:40:23
Second Second by Sarah. 02:40:26
All in favor. 02:40:28
Aye. All right. There were some questions that weren't really discovered that you have answers to and one of the reasons why I 02:40:30
wanted to pull out for this particular reason is because. 02:40:35
We had talked about earlier on, I had told you as a council we're at 15% and there's this opportunity. I feel like today it was 02:40:40
clear that the information that is going out there doesn't really represent some of the things that we need to. 02:40:48
Help get across as we plan. 02:40:56
For the future of this building and at 15%, we have an opportunity to keep planning. 02:40:58
I feel like as we've come together as a council and we've looked at this, this right now is such a conservative approach and it 02:41:03
will cost a little bit more for us to take this time to plan longer. But I feel like the community needs it and I'd like you guys 02:41:09
to make statements and then. 02:41:14
See where you are on it and if we need to have discussion. 02:41:20
Let's go ahead and do that at that time. 02:41:24
Does anybody want to go first? 02:41:26
Marty. 02:41:36
That oh pretty. 02:41:38
Since we. 02:41:45
Since we began this process, I asked for. 02:41:47
A rigorous public process I asked for. 02:41:51
I asked for lots of town halls, I asked for lots of education that go out. 02:41:57
And I think that. 02:42:02
I don't think we accomplished that because. 02:42:06
Looking at these questions even, I mean, we have what? 02:42:11
Like less than a dozen people stand up. 02:42:15
And these are a lot of people that I've had good conversations with, a lot of people I really respect in our community. 02:42:18
And there are still a lot of questions and I don't feel like. 02:42:23
Answering all of them in a one hour council meeting, is that effective for the community? 02:42:28
Umm, I've been. 02:42:34
On the phone non-stop meeting with people and I feel like. 02:42:38
There is still a lot of concern that can't be answered in one meeting. 02:42:41
And, umm. 02:42:48
I made it really clear. I felt that when we met and we were going over the vote to start the bond parameter process. 02:42:51
That not only I wanted to understand the payments but I also want a community buy in. 02:42:59
And I don't feel like that. 02:43:04
Has happened. 02:43:06
And. 02:43:07
While I recognize we need this infrastructure. 02:43:09
I feel that it is necessary. I feel that it is affordable. 02:43:12
I'm struggling with the volume of public feedback that I'm receiving. 02:43:18
It's not just in this meeting. I have had people call me, I've had people message me privately, I've been in social situations 02:43:22
and. 02:43:26
Umm, it's not. 02:43:31
I believe that some people are not speaking 100% true. 02:43:35
On this, I think that it's been made into a political. 02:43:39
Situation. 02:43:43
But I also believe that there are genuine concerns that have to be. 02:43:44
Approached and. 02:43:49
I think there is. 02:43:51
Umm, a plane of reality where we. 02:43:53
Where people do have all the facts, but they're still not convinced that this is the best way for the city to move forward. 02:43:56
So for me, I think I've shown. 02:44:02
With my record in my history, I don't do well voting on something that has this much political. I'm sorry. 02:44:05
Political pushback public. Pushback public. 02:44:12
Discomfort. I do see some of these concerns that are brought up. 02:44:16
With umm. 02:44:20
The economy, there's a lot of unknowns that we're dealing with. 02:44:23
I do want to state that I do feel that bonding is a smart financial tool. 02:44:27
I feel that it is. 02:44:32
I saw that if we were to pay for something now, it will be more affordable than it would be in the future. 02:44:36
But I also see that. 02:44:42
This is something that I need the community to. 02:44:44
To buy in on, I need to feel that I'm not making a decision. 02:44:48
That will leave my. 02:44:52
Neighbors feeling like I didn't represent them so. 02:44:54
So you still want to stay within the planning phase and continue? 02:44:58
I want to cancel the bomb parameters. 02:45:03
Yeah, that would be staying in the planning phase and reconsidering the vote. 02:45:05
For the bond parameters. 02:45:09
OK, we have Marty, Sarah or Brett. 02:45:12
So I I would. 02:45:18
Echo some of the same sentiment. 02:45:19
I I feel like. 02:45:23
I've I've tried to project that I'm a numbers person. I'm a data person. 02:45:26
And that by doing so, that creates a certain amount of objectivity. 02:45:31
And I truly believe that when I look at all of the analysis that we've seen from. 02:45:37
LRB and when. 02:45:44
We're looking at our budget. 02:45:46
That what we have in front of us is affordable. 02:45:48
However, I also agree that. 02:45:52
Our ability to. 02:45:55
Communicate that well and clearly. 02:45:57
And not leave room for misinterpretation. 02:46:00
I think we've missed that opportunity. 02:46:03
And. 02:46:06
What I mean when I say I echo the same sentiment is. 02:46:09
There is very clear. 02:46:13
Concern about how we finance this. 02:46:15
And it's a it's one where. 02:46:19
As I have talked to people and. 02:46:22
Some of them are in the room. 02:46:25
And. 02:46:27
There are uh. 02:46:28
People that I would consider activists on both sides of the issue. 02:46:30
And then there are people who I think are just. 02:46:34
Concern interested citizens. 02:46:37
And personally when I see activists getting loud. 02:46:40
It can turn into some noise. 02:46:45
And when I really perk up in the red flags come out is where I start just seeing. 02:46:48
The people that you wouldn't normally think are politically interested. 02:46:52
That you know that neighbor who after I'd been on the. 02:46:57
Council for three or four months. 02:47:02
Saw me and said oh, you're on the council and they had no idea. 02:47:05
When that person becomes aware of the issue and is saying I'm concerned about that. 02:47:08
And it's hard for them to understand. That's where I think we've we've missed an opportunity as a city. 02:47:15
To educate and. 02:47:22
I think it would be prudent for us to. 02:47:24
Slow down and do some better education. 02:47:28
Jake, I don't have any comment. 02:47:31
OK, Sir. 02:47:35
Yeah, so I. 02:47:40
Marty, when you say that, you haven't seen this much pushback. 02:47:46
I might disagree a little bit because I felt like there was as much or more. 02:47:51
When we needed to raise the. 02:47:55
Long the sales tax. 02:47:57
Right, property tax. Yeah, sorry, property tax rate. 02:48:00
Umm and I I go back to that situation. 02:48:04
And I remember having a friend that's. 02:48:09
On the school board. And she said, have you ever walked into a room yet where everybody hated you? 02:48:12
And I was like, no, I haven't done that yet. That sounds awful. 02:48:17
And and that was, that was my. 02:48:19
That was my winning moment. 02:48:22
But the problem with that. 02:48:25
Is that people had been so misinformed. 02:48:27
To think that their their tax rate was going to be so high. 02:48:30
And at the end of the day, it was $15.00. For me it was $17.00 a month. 02:48:34
To have to have this benefit so close to my house emergency services. 02:48:38
You know, a block or like half a mile from my house. 02:48:43
So I feel like. 02:48:47
It's a similar thing. That's how I feel about this. 02:48:48
I just met with some news. 02:48:53
Umm, I don't, I don't remember who it was. 02:48:55
13 I think. 02:48:58
And one of the first things they said was we just met with some of the referendum people and. 02:48:59
They're afraid that their tax rates going to go up, their property tax rates going to go up. 02:49:04
Just like it did with, you know? 02:49:09
The public safety. 02:49:11
OK, so we've talked about this over and over and over again. 02:49:13
That this is not a property tax increase. Your property taxes are not increased. 02:49:17
And so this is a message that keeps going out to our community. 02:49:21
And so it's super frustrating to me because we give the fact. 02:49:25
And then they take the fact, flip them on their head and pour gasoline on them and spread them out to the community. So the 02:49:29
community is terrified. 02:49:33
Again. 02:49:37
I'm sorry, I'm not a politician. I don't get it. It's so frustrating to me when the facts are skewed the way they have been 02:49:38
skewed. 02:49:42
So people don't understand the fact that your tax rates are not going up. 02:49:46
This is sales tax. Oh, sorry, this is a time for the council. The public hearing is closed. 02:49:50
This your sales tax rate is not sorry. Property tax rate is not going up because of this building. 02:49:56
We keep saying it over and over and over again and. 02:50:04
People are not hearing it or somebody else is telling them that it is going to go up. That's. 02:50:06
It's not the case, so it's just frustrating to me. 02:50:11
That's so much misinformation is being spread, and I do feel like it's political more than anything else. And our staff. 02:50:14
That worked so hard. 02:50:21
You know, to give you the beautiful city that you live in and then to suggest that they go in a double wide trailer. 02:50:22
I don't know, I just. 02:50:29
That's where I'm at, sorry. 02:50:30
OK. Jake, Are you sure you don't have another comment? 02:50:34
No, I have no comment. All right. 02:50:37
Then what I'm going to do is. 02:50:40
And a similar experience. I wanted the public. One of the things that did happen was on April 3rd, people didn't really know that 02:50:45
we were setting a public hearing. And so the process got lost. 02:50:51
And even though the process was there. 02:50:56
The process got lost to the people and I think when that happens we need to come back and make sure the process is no longer lost 02:50:59
because this is a place where you can come and get answers. 02:51:04
And so we're going to keep planning because as I told you before, we anticipated that we're only at. 02:51:10
15% design and so. 02:51:16
While Eric. 02:51:19
Articulated there's some losses and finances that will experience there's an opportunity to keep planning and. 02:51:20
To keep working on this. 02:51:27
As a city, because we all can agree, and I heard all of you say it, we do know that we're growing. 02:51:29
And we do know that the people that serve us need a place. And so how we come to that decision, I think is something together as 02:51:36
community we can work on. And I think that's wonderful. So what I need tonight is a motion, another statement, OK, to reconsider. 02:51:44
The bond parameter and then we can make that motion. 02:51:52
And go ahead, Martin. 02:51:56
I what you're saying is that we're going to keep going forward and planning, but I want to make it clear that I want to pivot. 02:51:58
And I don't want it to continue to be. 02:52:06
The exact same project that we're doing, I want, I think we need to reevaluate because what I'm hearing from the community. 02:52:08
Just like. 02:52:15
So. 02:52:16
We might. 02:52:18
I consider you a different, so I'm not. 02:52:21
But we might have different friends that we talk to. 02:52:24
And when we were raising the property taxes. 02:52:27
My community that I talk to daily and. 02:52:31
And interact with. 02:52:34
And I feel that I interact with a lot of people through. 02:52:36
My day-to-day and my business and my relationships. 02:52:39
Here in Vineyard, most people were comfortable with our tax increase in my circles because they see the wonderful things that 02:52:42
Vineyards doing. They see the need for services. They see the need for. They love our events. They love what the city does. 02:52:49
But what I'm finding in those same circles is there is a concern. 02:52:56
This project per square foot per, you know, a structure that we're looking at is just more than what they feel comfortable with. 02:53:01
Right now, in this economy, in this, with the need we have. 02:53:11
And so I want to look at other options, not specifically just so that's not on the table, but I I hear you and this is what I'll 02:53:15
say to it is this. 02:53:21
What I am saying in this is that there has to be a separation between what we're talking about because people have conflated the 02:53:27
two things. There is a difference between financial planning and. 02:53:32
Continuing to plan for something. 02:53:38
And so however we want to approach. 02:53:40
That if you want to bring in alternatives and look through it. 02:53:44
I think it's meaningful. 02:53:47
I think the comments that were made tonight is meaningful for planning and having those brought to discussion. 02:53:48
What would be really meaningful is bringing back the discussion of what we already looked through. 02:53:56
And bringing that to the public because some of the things that were brought up tonight have been reviewed. 02:54:01
And something that we could do is educate on it and talk about it and really get to the heart of those things. 02:54:07
One of the questions tonight was how are you evaluating the square footage and so. 02:54:13
I think there's actually an unknown. 02:54:18
It's not so much a discomfort as an unknown. And how are utilizing it? 02:54:21
There were suggestions that we only use the space we need. 02:54:25
That is something that I think could be clearly articulated. That's where we move back into the planning phase. And so that's 02:54:29
where we are. That's what we're doing. Those are the numbers we're surfacing and looking at. 02:54:34
All on the same page. 02:54:41
I need a motion to reconsider the bond parameters. 02:54:43
And then? 02:54:47
Remove it. 02:54:48
For tonight. 02:54:50
When you say reconsider the bond parameters, will you clarify what that motion would do? 02:54:52
Yeah. I mean, what it would do is it would take it off the table. Jamie, do you want to explain what it would do? 02:54:58
I I can explain to you procedurally what. 02:55:05
You're allowed to do with how the meeting was noticed and what's on your agenda today. 02:55:08
You had today scheduled a public hearing on the bond parameters resolution. 02:55:14
And with that you have the ability to either allow the parameters resolution to move forward. 02:55:19
And for the planning and all of that to move forward on the project, that would not require an additional vote, you would just. 02:55:25
Have heard from the public and it would continue. 02:55:31
The other thing you can do is reconsider that resolution. 02:55:34
And you would just. 02:55:38
Somebody would make a motion and you would. 02:55:39
Vote on whether you wanted to keep that resolution in place or whether you wanted to. 02:55:41
Reverse that decision and withdraw. 02:55:47
The parameters resolution so. 02:55:50
What it would be as a motion to reconsider Resolution 2025, Dash 15. 02:55:52
And then you can take that up, discuss it and. 02:55:57
So I move to reconsider resolution 2025-15. 02:56:04
The 2025 bond parameters resolution. 02:56:10
And let me clarify, there would be one additional set of this, so you would vote on whether to reconsider? 02:56:14
And then you would vote on the parameters resolution. So the motion Marty's made right now is we have a motion. 02:56:20
Can I get a second I second second by Jake? 02:56:26
Aye. Any opposed? OK, can I get the second vote? 02:56:30
I need a motion. 02:56:36
I moved to cancel the bond parameter resolution. 02:56:38
All right, we have a first primary. Can I get a 2025-15? 02:56:41
Thank you. Can I get a second? 02:56:46
Second, all in favor, does it need to be by roll call? 02:56:49
OK, Sarah. 02:56:54
Aye. 02:56:56
Hi, I'm Brett. I take aye, all right. 02:56:57
That brings us to the next thing on our agenda. Can we talk about step forward we're not allowed to talk about. 02:57:01
We have a really tight agenda, but we can have those steps forth sent to you. 02:57:07
And we can talk about them as we move forward. 02:57:12
We're going to go into another public hearing, the transfer from enterprise funds to internal service funds. Also. Thank you so 02:57:16
much for coming and taking your time and answering all the questions. It was really, really excellent and for all the work that 02:57:20
you put into it so far. 02:57:24
All right, the public hearing. 02:57:30
Transfer from enterprise funds to internal services Our Finance Director, Christie Bayless, will present recommendations to 02:57:33
transfer enterprise funds to an internal service fund. 02:57:38
Christy, I'm going to have us go into a public hearing and then I'm going to have you talk about it and then we'll have discussion 02:57:44
and close it. Can I get a motion to go into a public hearing? 02:57:49
So moved. Thank you, Brett. Can I get a second, second, second by Marty all in favor? 02:57:54
All right, All right, Christy, go ahead. 02:57:59
As you can see up on the screen, and you should have received in your utility bill at the beginning of May. 02:58:02
Once a year, the city is required. 02:58:07
To present the citizens with the. 02:58:10
Projected transfers from the Enterprise funds into the Internal Service Fund. 02:58:13
At Vineyard, the internal service fund. 02:58:18
Is for our administration, our HR. 02:58:21
IT fleet and facilities. 02:58:25
So, umm. 02:58:27
As you can see on the screen right now, these are the projected dollar amounts that would be transferred from each of those 02:58:29
enterprise funds into the internal service fund for those services. 02:58:34
These numbers will change as we continue to finalize the budget over the next six weeks. 02:58:40
So if they change substantially, you will get a new notice in your utility bill in July that shows the changes that have been made 02:58:45
since this meeting. 02:58:50
All right. 02:58:56
Any clarifying questions before I turn it over to the public? 02:58:59
All right, public. 02:59:05
Any questions about this transfer? 02:59:06
No. Can I go out of a public hearing? 02:59:12
Can I get a motion? 02:59:15
I need to go out of the public hearing. Thank you, Marty. Can I get a second? 02:59:16
Second. Second by Sarah. All in favor. 02:59:19
Aye. Any questions from the from the council, No. 02:59:22
So all right. 02:59:26
We will move on to 9.4 Discussion and Action Proposed tentative Fiscal Year 20252026 Budget. 02:59:29
And this will also be presented by our Finance Director, Christy. 02:59:36
Thank you, American Council. 02:59:44
I think I've described the process a couple times that for those that of you that are new. 02:59:46
We start back in February with council goals and what they want to do with. 02:59:51
The funds that Vineyard has available for discretionary items. 02:59:57
We then come up with we had a budget committee that included the mayor, council member Clausen. 03:00:01
Eric, the city manager. 03:00:07
This team, our Public Works Director, Morgan, our planning. 03:00:09
Community Development Director and then myself. 03:00:13
And we met and we reviewed. 03:00:16
Umm, tonight what we are doing is presenting A tentative budget. 03:00:18
It is required to be adopted. 03:00:24
But adopted does not mean we agree and the numbers are in cement. 03:00:26
When you adopt A budget, by state law you have to take it a tentative budget to the Council, the first meeting in the month of 03:00:32
May. 03:00:35
So tonight I'm presenting this. 03:00:39
And you guys will, by voting yes, you are saying yes. We acknowledge that we've received it and that that will set the public 03:00:42
hearing related to the tentative budget for two weeks from now. 03:00:47
So those are the things that are happening in what we're doing. 03:00:53
And I explained a little bit about the general fund earlier. 03:00:57
And as you go down through your budget document? 03:01:01
You will see the differences in the different funds. 03:01:04
As you start with the pages, it's a general fund summary and then the general funds revenue. 03:01:07
You will notice in there that we have included the bond payment. 03:01:13
In the budget for this upcoming year. 03:01:17
And that is at the high dollar amount that was presented by LRB. 03:01:20
And, umm. 03:01:24
So as you look at the budget, you can see that. 03:01:26
I don't want to. 03:01:29
Again, insult your intelligence. You can read the slide. This is the sources of all the revenues that we have coming up. 03:01:31
That we have projected for this next year. Again, this is a projection. This is not set in stone. We have looked at past history 03:01:39
and what we anticipate it's going to be happening over the next year to come up with the numbers that are before you. 03:01:45
The number that you can see in the bottom right corner of the transfer from the RDA. 03:01:54
That is a 4% of their total tax increment that is allowed for administrative purposes to help cover all of those of us that. 03:01:59
Spend time working on RDA themes. 03:02:07
I also wanted to comment on the sponsorships. You can see that we have a goal this year of 45,000. 03:02:12
Last year, Anna, our special events director. 03:02:18
Did an amazing job and brought in $35,000 in sponsorships. 03:02:21
She now has a part-time assistant that is assisting her with this and they are confident that they can bring in the 45,000 this 03:02:25
next year. 03:02:29
This metric just shows of the total general fund budget how much goes to each individual. 03:02:36
Department, I did want to mention on the transfers. 03:02:43
There are revenues that come into the general fund that by law have to be put into a different fund for expenses. 03:02:46
And one of those is wrap taxes. Those have to be expensed out of the capital projects fund related to recreation, arts and parks 03:02:53
projects. 03:02:58
We also have the B&C Rd. funds and the transportation tax. 03:03:02
That by law has to be transferred into. 03:03:06
The umm. 03:03:09
Transportation fund and again, this is also where the bond payment is included the 500 and. 03:03:11
38,000 or whatever that is included in that transfer amount. 03:03:17
So when you see that 17% transfer, that's what that is. 03:03:21
I wanted to just go over the capital projects list a little bit to give you an idea of some of the things that are being 03:03:26
considered. 03:03:29
For use of discretionary funds the next year. 03:03:33
Some of the projects have rolled over and are being completed. For instance, Slide Hill is something we've been working on. We 03:03:36
anticipate that it will take $50,000 to complete that this next year. 03:03:42
Those are funds that were allocated before that we are merely rolling over. 03:03:48
Several of the projects that we have in here are grant funded. So when you see the 1200 N overpass bridge that we are spending 10 03:03:51
million on. 03:03:56
That is actually funded by UDOT at the 10 million. So yes, we are spending it out of the capital projects fund. 03:04:01
But there are grants that we have received that are covering that expense. 03:04:08
Against some of the. 03:04:12
Some of the projects that we have are still waiting on grant. 03:04:15
Award And so you will see that some of them have matching funds. 03:04:19
That would be the cities portion if we were to get the grant. 03:04:23
We should know in the next month on most of them. 03:04:27
I'm trying to think if there's anything else that. 03:04:31
For instance, the volleyball court at the lakefront, that's a matching on a, that's a match on a grant that we currently have. 03:04:38
And are hoping to have constructed by September. 03:04:44
There's a habitat structure at Penny Springs that we have put in for a grant for that. 03:04:49
The and we're working on the skate park. We have a grant that's in for that and are really hoping that that comes through as well. 03:04:56
You can see at the bottom of this slide there's a shoreline project. 03:05:03
That's related to the bike station. It's a bike station and. 03:05:07
Benches. Sorry, I knew there was something else. 03:05:13
So, yeah, so the shoreline project, our portion of that would be a $15,000. 03:05:16
They are also looking at putting in a self-serve kayak station at the lakefront. 03:05:21
And our portion to help fund that would be $5000. 03:05:26
Again, we've talked about the enterprise funds and the differences between them. 03:05:32
Enterprise funds are meant to be self-sustaining. 03:05:36
So this is what our water fund is looking like next year. The revenues are on the left with the expenses on the right. 03:05:38
And I will provide this to Pam so that it can be attached so anyone else that wants to view this can see it. 03:05:47
Same with the wastewater fund. 03:05:54
The Stormwater Fund and Transportation fund. 03:05:57
Their impact fees actually go into an impact fee fund that is fund 23. In the impact fee fund you will find public safety. 03:06:01
Parks, roadways and storm storm water. 03:06:10
You can see that our revenues fall short every year. We are in the process of doing some. 03:06:14
Master plans and analysis on what we need to do to correct that to make this a true enterprise fund. 03:06:19
The same thing with the transportation. I think they mentioned that in a couple weeks we will be talking about the transportation 03:06:25
master plan. 03:06:28
And how that will help us to bring in the revenues to cover? 03:06:32
And that number that you see projected there is including. 03:06:36
If the master plan is approved, impact and transportation utility fees are approved as well. 03:06:39
The internal service fund. 03:06:46
Again, I mentioned that's what we were talking about, the transfers that happened earlier. 03:06:48
Each of the funds depending on how many vehicles they have, how much staff they have. 03:06:52
How much office space they need? 03:06:57
There is a portion that is paid into the internal service fund to help cover those expenses. 03:06:59
This was just a quick summary of the internal services revenue and expenditures. 03:07:07
Are there any questions? 03:07:17
All right. Can we make sure that anybody that has questions, um. 03:07:20
As we get going, you're going to want to schedule your meetings with Christy and Eric and make sure we're in the Finance Committee 03:07:25
and make sure that you guys are getting the. 03:07:31
Questions that you need answered. 03:07:37
Take this to the public and let them see it and get your questions answered by the people and then bring them back so that we can 03:07:39
start being prepared as we go through the next several meetings of. 03:07:45
This process. 03:07:51
Right now we're just adopting this to notify the people that we've received it to start this. 03:07:52
This budget. 03:07:59
Process. One more comment. Sure, we have actually met with each of the Council members individually. 03:08:00
I gave them the tentative budget on April 30th so that they could get a head start in taking a look at and we have met with each 03:08:07
of them to answer questions. So I don't know that I'm going to be scheduling another another meeting unless they feel that it's 03:08:11
necessary. OK, perfect. 03:08:16
So Council, if you have. 03:08:20
Further questions please make sure to schedule those meetings with Eric and he'll facilitate it. Other than that, I just need a 03:08:22
motion. 03:08:25
I don't want to make a motion, but I think there's some confusion. 03:08:35
And me and you had a really good side meeting that I just wanted to put on the public record about the Ledger. 03:08:39
You did in fact give me the Ledger today. 03:08:45
People said that you did not give it to me and I just wanted to say that I now have it. 03:08:48
And I just wanted to clear up the record that before tonight. 03:08:54
I had not gotten in possession of it until a day or two ago yesterday, and so I just wanted to clear the record that I now have 03:08:57
it. 03:09:00
Yes, I gave you 6 years worth yesterday morning and then the other additional 2 years I did. There's just someone that's saying 03:09:04
that I've had it all along and I just wanted to clear up the record. That's all I have. Thanks. 03:09:10
I'm going to add a clarification to that and I'll follow up in writing. 03:09:16
After the meeting, but I was present in meetings when you were handed and declined to take. 03:09:20
That was last time correct. 03:09:26
Right. Yeah. I mean we're, we're, we're we're talking about getting the Ledger for this year. 03:09:29
But you're making a general statement that you had never previously received a copy of the Ledger. 03:09:34
And I was present when it was handed, right? Yeah. No one's argued. No one's arguing that last year we went through an argument 03:09:41
for five months and was given the one year of Ledger. Well, I'll also add a comment. Christie also came up and apologized and said 03:09:46
when you had mentioned that you wanted it to be redacted or available to the public. And they had offered in many emails that 03:09:52
said. 03:09:57
We have this available to you if you want it right now, but then you continue to talk about having it for the public. We don't 03:10:03
need to reduct, We don't need to rehash what people. So I'm going to finish what I was saying. I, I read it in the emails before 03:10:09
this. And the only reason we're saying this is because you're clarifying that you got it today. 03:10:15
Jamie has clarified that you got it last year and there was, there are emails that are available that show that they were trying 03:10:21
to get it to you and you did just lock up and apologize for not understanding that that meant he wanted it. 03:10:28
I was sitting here at the table when it happened. Is that right Krusty? 03:10:34
Yes, there was some confusion on the word share in the emails that I had thought someday. 03:10:39
Or Councilmember Holdaway, they had requested that I shared it with him so that he could then share it with the advisor that we've 03:10:44
talked about. And I told him I cannot go against Graham a lot. I cannot give you something that's unredacted. 03:10:49
Knowing that you were going to give it to somebody else. 03:10:56
And he said I didn't. That's not what I meant by Cher, he said. I meant talk to. 03:10:58
But when I when he requested the Ledger and said I'm going to share it with this, I'll make this e-mail. 03:11:02
That's helpful because I feel like that clarifies the whole situation. That's not what happened, but I'll make the emails public. 03:11:10
If I could sure in each of those emails. 03:11:19
We made sure that it was clear that Councilmember Holdaway. 03:11:23
Had full access if you wish to have those people can write through the emails on that. 03:11:26
For sure. I've got them up there printed off because I knew that this was, it's OK, we're not gonna have a back and forth on this. 03:11:31
There was a general statement made and we wanted to make sure that it was clear that on both sides you're saying you did 03:11:36
acknowledge and receive them and the staff was saying they did try to. 03:11:41
Give you what you were needing. And because we're in the middle of something that we're working out, we don't want to make a 03:11:47
general statement. We wanted everybody to know there is a back and forth going on and it looks like you guys were able to come to 03:11:51
the table and work something out and that was the clarity that was needed. 03:11:56
So I need a motion to adopt this tentative budget. 03:12:01
So moved. Thank you, Marty. Can I get a second? 03:12:06
Second, second by Sarah, I don't know and this is adopt and set the public hearing for May 28th right after the. 03:12:09
Redevelopment Agency board meeting at 6:00 PM. Does that work? Do you want me to read all that? 03:12:19
That are we good to discover? 03:12:24
OK, so so we made that. Yep. So moved. 03:12:26
First by Marty, Sarah, that's good. Second by Sarah. And I'm going to do it by roll call just in case, Sarah. 03:12:30
Aye, Marty. Aye aye, Brett. All right 9.5 Public Hearing Vineyard Zoning Code Update Ordinance 2025-03. 03:12:37
Our senior planner Cass Hansi is going to do this and I'm going to go right into the public. Can I get a motion to go into a 03:12:47
public hearing? 03:12:50
So thanks, Marty. Can I get a second? 03:12:54
Second. Second by Brett. All in favor, Aye. We're now in a public hearing. 03:12:57
All right, great. Thank you, Councilman, Mayor. 03:13:01
Should have. Oh, are you still connected? 03:13:05
Oh, OK. 03:13:09
Yeah. 03:13:11
Just as a little warm up, I went over this with with most of you the the zoning code update. We've also gone through Planning 03:13:15
Commission for probably, I don't know, the past six months. 03:13:19
Doing work sessions and and bring this to last week where we got a positive recommendation from the Planning Commission. 03:13:24
On the zoning Cup code update. 03:13:30
And as a high level, what we tried to do is the planning departments, we just tried to comb through our zoning code to see any 03:13:33
errors or things that we need to fix, whether it's formatting, grammar as well as just. 03:13:37
Kind of modernize our code. A lot of our code was written in like. 03:13:43
2005 and it's copied and pasted from other cities and so we just kind of wanted to make sure that our code fits our community so. 03:13:47
With I just have a brief presentation. 03:13:55
Maybe. There we go. 03:13:58
So there, there are a lot of sections that we are changing and you'll see you know a lot of those. 03:14:01
Largest grammar and formatting to make it easier to read or easier to understand and interpret. 03:14:06
I have each section broken up. I'm happy to go faster or slow. I know it's late in the night so. 03:14:12
I can do a brief summary of each of these. So we made changes to the Planning Commission just in terms of how their appointments 03:14:17
overlap. 03:14:21
And with the DRC, we're allowing that each person on the DRC can appoint the designee rather than. 03:14:25
Just like the Planning Commission chair. 03:14:32
We made a lot of updates to our zoning code or our zoning table the the district use table. 03:14:35
And this is essentially saying if you want to open up a pharmacy, you have to look at this table and it will tell you where in the 03:14:41
city you can build or open up such pharmacy. So we want to make a lot of updates for that and that included a lot of new uses that 03:14:45
I'll get into in a minute. 03:14:49
But we tried to identify some maybe problematic. 03:14:54
Uses, and we wanted to figure out ways that we could. 03:14:58
Allow for them in the city but create kind of restrictions around them and similar what what other communities have done. 03:15:01
Development agreements. 03:15:09
The code states that the Council has to review the Development Development Agreement every year. 03:15:11
We're just updating that language. The staff will review it and can provide a report to the council each year on the development 03:15:16
agreement. 03:15:20
We kind of dissected our temporary uses and created a new use within that called a seasonal use. And you see this such as a snow 03:15:25
shack that only wants to be opened up for six months of the year or something like that. And so we wanted to create for this use 03:15:30
so we could use it in things like our public parks as well. 03:15:36
Because the temporary use is only allowed for up to 60 days, so this allows for that type of use. 03:15:42
And we created standards for these types of uses, so seasonally they have to provide us with the site plan. 03:15:47
That and same thing with fireworks stands and then a carnival and festivals would require special event permit rather than a 03:15:53
seasonal or temporary use permit. 03:15:57
Conditional uses. 03:16:04
We require the we remove the requirement that they have to provide a survey of the property. 03:16:06
For conditional use, we aren't really reviewing that at the conditional user site plan level. 03:16:10
And then we are requiring that a traffic impact analysis is required if it is requested by the city planner, the city engineer or 03:16:15
the Planning Commission. 03:16:19
At this point, does any of the public have any questions? Are you following along? 03:16:25
Raise your hand if you have a question about what's been shared so far. 03:16:30
OK. 03:16:35
OK, this section here Accessory dwelling units. This is a lot of time like basement apartments. 03:16:37
This is helping us come into compliance with our Modern Income housing report that we have to do each year and in our general plan 03:16:42
in 2022. 03:16:45
We put in there that we wanted to allow for prefabricated homes to be allowed. 03:16:49
As an accessory long unit, and we understand that can raise a lot of red flags we don't necessarily want. 03:16:53
Bunch of trailers being parked in people's backyards and so we worked with the Planning Commission to. 03:16:57
Get wording to help. 03:17:02
Prevent that from happening so people can bring a. 03:17:04
Pre manufactured home and use that as an accessory dwelling unit. 03:17:07
But the design has to be consistent with the primary structure and it has to adhere to a primary. 03:17:10
A solid foundation. 03:17:15
A lot of updates to home occupations. We really wanted to just provide a lot of definitions in there as we've had issues in the 03:17:20
past on that is how do we interpret stuff? 03:17:24
So we kind of created a more easier to understand permanent list and not permitted list. 03:17:28
We talked about aggregate impact, so that would be. 03:17:34
That if multiple home occupations have impact, we want to make sure that that can only equal what 1 should be. 03:17:37
Umm, group instruction, that's another big one. We wanted to allow for people if they, they want to do a little like dance studio 03:17:46
or yoga class or something like that. 03:17:50
That would be permitted through a home occupation. They do have to get a conditional use permit as well as provide additional off 03:17:54
street parking. 03:17:57
Swimming pools and drive throughs. 03:18:03
We've had some residents request some changes to our swimming pool code to allow for just a protective cover rather than just 03:18:05
fencing, and so we put that in there that that a safety cover is permitted in lieu of fencing, but it must meet a certain standard 03:18:10
that. 03:18:14
Is tied to like the building permit. 03:18:19
Dr. Throughs, we wanted to make it clear that cash on that one really quick. You want to maybe explain one of the concerns that 03:18:22
came out from the chair? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So our chair did express some concerns about that. 03:18:29
Just he did state that he would like to see protective fencing surrounding pools completely and that's what our code does 03:18:36
currently state is that a fence I think. 03:18:40
No shorter than four feet has to completely surround the fence. 03:18:45
And so you know that there was a little bit of. 03:18:48
Discussion about that, that means that it wasn't necessary in the recommendation to make that change. 03:18:51
So I think it would be up to the council tonight to figure out how. 03:18:57
You know how we can interpret that. And in the end, you know, we all just want to make sure that swimming pools are safe. 03:19:00
Right. And, and so that's where, you know, I've done some research on these protective covers to show that they can be just as 03:19:06
safe as fencing. 03:19:09
What is the national standard? 03:19:14
The yeah. So the national standard that I put in here is that the IT has to be, I think it said, a power, power safety cover. 03:19:16
That can hold 485 lbs. 03:19:24
It was like, that's the weight of two adults and two children or something like that. 03:19:27
So that's like what Provost city code says is it just says they can either refensing or this this cover. 03:19:32
And so that's kind of what I modeled this one after. 03:19:37
Thank you. 03:19:40
So yeah, Dr. Throughs queuing lanes can't block. 03:19:43
Entrances or parking spaces. 03:19:45
Another big one with that is that we are going to require trafficking queueing studies for all Dr. Throughs moving forward. 03:19:48
We just want to make sure that they're not gonna be blocking. 03:19:53
Streets or crosswalks or anything like that. 03:19:56
This one, we're creating quite a few new uses and I know that there might be some controversy behind this, but. 03:20:01
We explained that we have to create a use so that we can kind of isolate it. So one would be like a payday loan center. 03:20:06
If we create that use and allow it in a certain area, we are able to put kind of some restrictions on that type of use and so we 03:20:13
have a distance requirement. 03:20:17
As well as the number that are allowed is limited here. So you know, no more than one for 10,000 where if one were to come into 03:20:21
the city today and request a building permit or a business license, we'd have to kind of go with the area of best fit for that 03:20:28
type of business. So by creating this own category, it helps us be able to isolate those in certain areas of the city. 03:20:34
Short term rentals. 03:20:42
We have modified this quite a bit. 03:20:43
Essentially, this would only allow for an apartment complex or a building. 03:20:46
To that has. 03:20:52
Professional on site management at all times. 03:20:54
Hand has gone through development agreement to allow for short term rentals. This would not allow for single family homes to have 03:20:56
short term rentals, only these one. 03:21:00
You know, very specific types of buildings. 03:21:04
This is help accommodate the the building that. 03:21:07
Is building with just by pop golf where part of that development agreement did require them to put in the short term rental units, 03:21:11
but our code didn't currently allow it so this would now allow them to get that license. 03:21:16
Mobile food courts, this would be if if a lot has three or more food trucks, we want to see a lot more site improvements we want 03:21:23
to see. 03:21:26
You know, dumpsters, we want to see bathrooms, we want to see parking and all that. We've had some issues on some lots in the past 03:21:30
because of that, so. 03:21:33
Retail is back with specialty business. This is similar to that check cashing. 03:21:37
Where we can now have a separation requirement, we're saying these can't be located close to Community Center. 03:21:41
Our community location, that'd be like a school park, a church, city building. 03:21:46
Anything like that and then no more than one per 25,000 residents. 03:21:51
Umm, this one I'll go over quickly. Site planning and design requirements. This we made a lot of updates to here, but essentially 03:21:57
our old code was very subjective. It said we want to preserve certain characteristics or promote certain designs, but that's 03:22:03
really hard for planners to necessarily interpret. 03:22:08
And to defend when an applicant isn't really following that. And So what we tried to do is replace all that subjective language 03:22:14
with objective language things that we can easily measure. 03:22:19
Such as roof lines have to vary. Now we can measure that and show oh this does vary in this. 03:22:24
Way same thing with with the building facade and all that. So. 03:22:28
You can kind of see here where we're wanting to see articulation and variations in the refining. We can measure it. We're also 03:22:33
requiring some project features where they have to. 03:22:38
Provide beyond just landscaping, they have to provide things like some art pieces or a good example is that like Mavericks, the 03:22:42
Vineyard sign that the Maverick location. 03:22:47
This is just kind of more of those measurements that we're going over. You know, only 5% of the sod may be in accent color. We've 03:22:55
we had some issues in the past with the bright blue building and we wanted to kind of confine that a little bit more. 03:23:01
Are there any questions from the public at this point? 03:23:07
Can you come to the microphone, state your name and where from? 03:23:13
I guess I just wondered when you were talking about like. 03:23:18
Payday loans and tobacco services are those things that are. 03:23:21
That we anticipate coming to Vineyard in the near future or was that just sort of an update trying to make it? 03:23:24
Less hospitable if they do. 03:23:30
Yeah, that was definitely just a proactive approach by us. Where? 03:23:33
We haven't had interest so far from any of these types of businesses in the city yet, but. 03:23:37
As the city continues to grow, that very well could be the case. And so by having these measures measures in place, we are able to 03:23:42
prevent like a vape shop opening, opening up next door to a. 03:23:46
Elementary school, if I could just add like right now. 03:23:51
They would fall under a retail category, so anywhere you allow for retail that used to come. So by having this ordinance in place, 03:23:55
it does provide some standards that they'll now have to follow. 03:24:00
So yeah. 03:24:06
And there are one other clarifying question. 03:24:12
That I think I know the answer to, but I'm going to ask it so that you can answer it. 03:24:16
My understanding is that. 03:24:22
The state requires that we allow these types of businesses, is that true? Correct, which means that by proactively restricting 03:24:25
where we can put them? 03:24:29
We are controlling that so that they don't go into places that we don't. 03:24:34
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, Right now, as Morgan's mentioned, a vape shop could open up right next to the puppy barn. 03:24:37
If we didn't do this, Yeah. And. And you're spot on. I had lit my mic to say the same thing because. 03:24:43
I'll just call them vice businesses because there are a bunch of different categories and they're in different places in state 03:24:50
code, but. 03:24:53
For a lot of those types of things. 03:24:57
Cities cannot outright ban them. 03:25:00
The only way you can regulate them is to designate an area within the city and circumstances under which they can be there. 03:25:03
Umm, so you have to do so carefully to make sure that they're. 03:25:11
That they don't come in, you know, wherever they'd like. 03:25:17
OK. We did not really want to touch parking with this update, so we just included measurement of how we're going to measure 45° 03:25:22
stalls. 03:25:26
Pretty basic. 03:25:31
There's another person that had a question. 03:25:33
I have to say my name again, Barbara Porter. 03:25:38
My question was about the public art. 03:25:42
Did I hear that right? I mean, I kind of went real quick. 03:25:45
You were talking about Maverick so. 03:25:48
Is that a requirement for every business that comes here to have public art? Sure I can. 03:25:50
Yeah, to answer that, that would be during the site planning process. And this is for for not, you know, your average suburban 03:25:55
home, we're not going to do that. But for large commercial projects, we we will be. 03:26:00
Requiring them provide some sort of. 03:26:05
Let me go back to that language. 03:26:08
Project features, and this is where they're going to be working with the Planning Commission. 03:26:11
Interpret interpreting what that means. So it could be public art, it could be an entry feature to the building, it could be. 03:26:16
Unique design, it could be streetscape design, it could be. That last one is supposed to be pedestrian or bicycle facilities. So 03:26:21
they could have like a. 03:26:25
Bicycle repair station or something like that located on site. Like a good example of that would be at the Megaplex where they 03:26:30
have the Large Cauldron. Yeah, the Large Cauldron would be a good example. And we'd count that kind of as the site as a whole, 03:26:35
right, for the yard. 03:26:39
You know, that's a very large public. 03:26:44
Installment and we're not going to make sure that every little business has to. 03:26:46
Implement that. 03:26:50
Can you turn around and just make sure the answers for questions I can see? 03:26:52
I just saw that real quick. 03:26:57
OK, I'm almost done. I promise. 03:27:00
Landscaping we we just updated to create an equivalent acre formula. This essentially. 03:27:03
Allows of the city to get better open space Right now if people bring in a detention bond and they're saying this is our open 03:27:09
space that we're going to provide to the city. 03:27:14
That's not accessible. You know, dogs can't plant whatever. We don't want to accept that necessarily as open space. So we're going 03:27:18
to measure that at a smaller level. We're going to say this is worth. 03:27:22
You know, .25 acres, if it's a whole acre or something like that. 03:27:26
OK. All right. Are there any questions from the public? 03:27:30
I think that was it. 03:27:34
All right. Can I go out of a public hearing? 03:27:38
So moved. Thank you, Brett. Can I get a second? 03:27:42
Second. Second by Sarah. All in favor, aye. 03:27:46
But now out of the public hearing test just on timeline it would it be OK if we push this to the next meeting if. 03:27:49
If we needed to. 03:27:58
Yeah, yeah. I mean, I, I don't think right now. 03:28:00
This is general policy. 03:28:03
Yeah, I don't see you know any. 03:28:05
I guess any negative side effects of doing that? 03:28:08
That actually helps. I don't know if not explained. We do have one portion that Jamie caught that we probably need. There's a fix 03:28:10
we're going to need to make on the Adu portion so it can be enforceable. 03:28:15
OK. Yeah, we're happy to. And if there's any concern from the public that if we don't adopt this, you know, one of these 03:28:21
businesses we don't want is going to come into the city. 03:28:25
There's the provision in state law that when you take up a land use amendment. 03:28:30
If you have an application for something that would be affected by that amendment. 03:28:34
In the time from when you begin. 03:28:38
That process to when you adopt it, you can hold off that application so that it's subject to this. So I think you're safe to push 03:28:40
it and. 03:28:44
I would make that request to the Council for me, I saw that and one other thing that I would like to review. 03:28:49
OK. Anything else that council wants to talk about or do you mind making the motion to continue it to the to a future meeting? 03:28:55
I'm happy to move it or. 03:29:05
Continue it. I moved to. 03:29:07
Move ordinance. 03:29:11
Is that what we're doing? Ordinance 2025-03, the zoning text, amendments to our next to a future, to a future meeting. That's 03:29:13
fine. 03:29:17
OK, I have it first by Marty. Can I get a second? 03:29:22
Second. Second by Brett, all in favor. 03:29:24
Aye, all right. 03:29:27
Thank you and. 03:29:29
We'll move to 9.6 Public Hearing Vineyard. 03:29:31
Downtown Special Perfect District zoning text Amendment Ordinance 202504 and this will be presented by Bronson Tatum tonight. Can 03:29:34
I just quickly say. 03:29:40
Task you did amazing that I know this has been a lot of work and I really think that you're reflecting the community's desires 03:29:46
really well. She was just echoing what I was about to say. 03:29:50
Yeah, but no. Thank you so much for. 03:29:58
Everything that you've done on this and I look forward to it coming back. 03:30:00
Yeah. This next time I'll just introduce real quickly, it is applicant initiated. That means that the Bronson with with 03:30:04
Flagborough has applied for the zoning text amendment. 03:30:07
And I'll let him go over his brief presentation here and he did a great job of kind of outlining if we allow this zoning test 03:30:11
amendment, kind of what impact that would have on the community. So. 03:30:16
Prevent and I believe this is a public hearing. 03:30:21
I think that's what it looks like. It's that you want to hear. Can I get a motion to go into a public hearing? 03:30:25
So thanks, Marty. Can I get a second? 03:30:33
Second. Second by Sarah. All in favor, aye. 03:30:36
All right, let's go. 03:30:39
OK, this is Bronson, Bronson Tatton with the developer. 03:30:42
And I'll try to keep up with Cash's pace here. That was great. 03:30:47
So there's a couple of things that we're looking to amend. 03:30:51
And the code for Utah City. 03:30:55
Listed here on the screen. 03:30:58
I'm going to go through a couple of slides that will show the application of what? 03:31:01
What we're anticipating that they're sorry I'm using that word again. 03:31:06
They but what we how we, how we think we will apply. 03:31:10
Some of these amendments and then. 03:31:14
After I kind of show these slides of what we're planning. 03:31:16
Cash will go through. 03:31:20
The more detailed, like actual. 03:31:23
Red lines of the code. 03:31:25
So the first is we would like to add. 03:31:27
Commercial outdoor recreational use. 03:31:31
To the permitted use table and remove it. 03:31:33
Remove that same use from the prohibited list, so. 03:31:36
What we feel like this will allow us to do is this Wellness Center and resort pool. 03:31:40
We'll have a commercial component to it. 03:31:46
Umm, that I think the city is all aware of the kind of the Wellness and the spa aspect of this. 03:31:49
It's kind of this. The bar on the right, there's also a restaurant associated with that. 03:31:55
Umm, and then just the outdoor recreation of the pools. 03:32:01
And then the second item is. 03:32:07
We're planning a racquet club. This this particular item is temporary. 03:32:10
Umm, you heard Eric talking about lining the Green Line. 03:32:15
That is a really important thing for us, to make sure that the green line has edges so that it feels activated and. 03:32:20
Enclosed and feels good. 03:32:27
And. 03:32:29
Putting in a commercial outdoor recreational use in the code allows us to do something like this. So this is. 03:32:33
This is also going to go through a site plan. 03:32:39
Review. 03:32:43
That we have an application in for but. 03:32:44
We need to get this use added into the code. 03:32:47
In this same. 03:32:53
Same racquet club. 03:32:55
Project. We're looking at doing some flexible buildings which are also temporary. 03:32:57
They'll come in while this uses in and then. 03:33:03
They will. 03:33:07
Probably move to another site within Utah City until. 03:33:08
Were built out and there's no more use for them. 03:33:12
But in particular. 03:33:15
We're looking at doing like a concessions building. 03:33:18
A restroom. 03:33:21
And a little clubhouse that's more kind of temporary that we're looking for this flexible building type. 03:33:23
The lake promenade. 03:33:32
In the code, we now have branded it or marketed as the Green Line. 03:33:34
But in the code it talks about the lake promenade. 03:33:38
There was number no use table for the promenade. 03:33:41
And so we're we're adding a couple of uses. 03:33:45
Within the promenade, which one of these is? 03:33:49
Also will bring in for a site plan, but it's this. 03:33:52
Retail village in the middle of this is. 03:33:56
The Greenway. 03:33:59
It's block four of the Green Line, So what we're planning here is there's 10 retail shops. 03:34:00
And then that larger building in the middle is a restaurant. 03:34:08
These are some images of what those could look like. 03:34:13
And then finally, this is our last amendment is we're adding a blade sign type. 03:34:17
So on. 03:34:26
Block 5 where the star is. 03:34:28
We're proposing to add this sign. 03:34:30
Umm, and the code. 03:34:35
We were looking for the best fit of how this sign could fit into the code and it. 03:34:37
It is similar to a corner sign, but. 03:34:42
We felt like we needed to amend the code to also add a blade sign. 03:34:45
Umm, so that this would fit better? 03:34:49
In there and this is. 03:34:52
Just a perspective view, so. 03:34:54
If you go to the site, you'll see this facade is all complete, but this sign is not in yet. 03:34:57
But we felt like we needed to amend the code to allow this type of thing. 03:35:01
OK. I think that's that's it for me. 03:35:08
Are there any questions by the Council? 03:35:11
I mean by the public. 03:35:15
Thanks. Bye. 03:35:17
Not at this time can I have a motion to go out of the public hearing. 03:35:20
All right. I have a first by Brett. Can I get a second? 03:35:28
2nd. 03:35:30
Sarah can have it all right. Second by Sarah. All in favor, any questions by the council. 03:35:32
No, not for me. 03:35:39
Hey, Jake. 03:35:43
I have no problem with it. 03:35:45
Brett Nope. 03:35:46
Sarah. 03:35:48
I'm good, all right. I need a motion. 03:35:50
I move to adopt Ordinance 2025-4, Zoning Text Amendment as presented. 03:35:55
All right, we have the 1st vice. Sarah, can I get a second? 03:36:01
Second, Second by Brett. 03:36:04
And I'm going to do this by roll call Jake. 03:36:08
Aye, right. Aye, aye, Marty. Hi, Sarah. Hi. 03:36:11
All right, let's see. 03:36:15
Last but not least, our Arts Commission wrap Tax Grant Awards Resolution 2025-22 and our Commission Chair, Jerome Sibo will 03:36:18
present the recommendations. 03:36:23
Come on up, Sir. Thank you for waiting. 03:36:29
Many hours for this. 03:36:32
I hope it's worth the wait. 03:36:34
Hold on, we're getting loaded up. 03:36:39
Brian has my presentation. 03:36:40
So just just a clarification, this is from the wrap tax. 03:36:47
So we were given. 03:36:52
$35,000 to work with. 03:36:54
And we had. 03:36:57
I think 6 or 7 presentations that. 03:36:59
Brought to us and approved SO. 03:37:03
Go to the next one. 03:37:06
This is a quick summary. What we did is on the arch Commission is. 03:37:08
We looked at each one and then we gave them a score we had. 03:37:13
Probably 40 different questions that we gave a one to five score. 03:37:16
And that added up to it to the total average score. 03:37:20
Of each one and then we gave a prior. 03:37:24
Going to as well. 03:37:26
And these are in the order of. 03:37:28
Priority. 03:37:31
So when you have an average average priority of 1.5, it's because some people voted one and other people voted 2. 03:37:33
So first up is the Vineyard Youth Council. Vineyard Council I wanted. 03:37:41
Next slide. 03:37:46
Want to do some? 03:37:48
Many libraries. 03:37:51
And they wanted to increase the literacy. 03:37:53
They provide some stats of the literacy at Vineyard and. 03:37:55
Trail side. 03:38:00
And so. 03:38:02
We approved a budget of $3000. 03:38:03
That would allow them to build these. 03:38:07
Tiny libraries place them in popular areas. 03:38:11
And then they also have summer reading challenges which they would give prizes for. 03:38:16
Have performers. 03:38:21
Or presenters. 03:38:23
And help with. 03:38:25
Literacy. We made the recommendation of the Arts Commission. They. 03:38:27
As they do book drives and whatnot that they. 03:38:32
Do books that are bilingual to help with that. 03:38:36
Umm, I guess. Any questions? This is our number one priority. 03:38:39
And we recommend to approve this one. Any questions on this one? 03:38:45
Great #2 Vineyard Parks and Rec. 03:38:50
Umm at the umm. 03:38:54
End of the Gardens neighborhood. 03:38:57
This is space is kind of morphed into people building their own. 03:38:59
Mountain bike jumps and tracks and trails. 03:39:04
And so we just want to make that official, the Parks and Rec. 03:39:07
Presented a plan and asked for. 03:39:13
Somewhere around $15,000 We. 03:39:17
Took $1000 off that budget in order to. 03:39:20
Provide. 03:39:23
More initiatives. 03:39:25
But they didn't require the full budget to do this. The exciting thing about this is it provides a bunch of trails of various 03:39:27
skills that kind of makes this a hub for outdoor rec and brings the community together. 03:39:32
For a purposeful, you know we. 03:39:38
Got a lot of bikes going on. 03:39:41
What we're really excited about is that this looks like Brian is guaranteed. 03:39:43
That this will be done this year. 03:39:47
So. 03:39:55
And that would be community. 03:39:57
Yeah. Is there a question? 03:39:59
OK. If there's no questions on that, we'll move to the third initiative. 03:40:03
Which is a cultural fire events. 03:40:08
So this is a group. 03:40:11
Seems to be growing to have a large. 03:40:14
Following I say and so. 03:40:17
We're going to hire them to do a couple of performances or a few performances during Vineyard days. 03:40:21
Umm, they represent a number of different native groups and. 03:40:27
They originally asked for $7000 but. 03:40:33
We were able to work with them, reduce their budget by half and they'll just perform rather multiple days at dinner days. Just 03:40:37
perform on one day. 03:40:41
And they also said that they would advertise. 03:40:46
Their performance to their different groups. 03:40:50
You know which is advertisement for vendor days, so. 03:40:53
Hopefully that brings a locker. 03:40:56
Crowd. 03:40:58
OK, the Vineyard Heritage Foundation was the 4th initiative that we approved. 03:41:01
They asked for between 15 to $20,000. They are looking to. 03:41:05
Make a plaque. 03:41:10
At the base of the cauldron there. 03:41:13
Umm, with plans to. 03:41:15
Further expand that in the future to other historic sites. 03:41:19
Have they got inside approval from the? 03:41:24
Developer. 03:41:27
That was one of the questions that we had is. 03:41:28
The city doesn't own that. 03:41:31
Remember the name? 03:41:33
Yeah, I know. We know the developer, yeah. 03:41:35
And so we. 03:41:40
Recommend approval on that contingence of. 03:41:42
Who owns that? Another concern that was brought up was that is in the middle of a roundabout. 03:41:44
And with the plaque there, that would require a lot of. 03:41:49
Crossing in order to engage with that. 03:41:52
So there were some concerns on that. Something to think about. 03:41:57
It was their third goal to. 03:42:03
Establish this as a pattern. 03:42:10
Where there could be QR codes and signs or whatnot that could be. 03:42:12
Later throughout the city. 03:42:16
To and those could be dynamic QR codes, right? That would change the story. 03:42:18
Sometimes if they're not able to get approval from the landowner, does the money go back into the pot or what's the time frame for 03:42:23
that? 03:42:28
One second, one second. 03:42:37
Yeah, yeah. 03:42:39
Give it a minute. 03:42:41
Yeah, I can speak to that really quick if you want so. 03:42:43
If there is money that we aren't able to allocate due to not getting. 03:42:46
The permits or whatever. 03:42:51
Then that money would just. 03:42:53
Than be vacant that we could reevaluate and see if we want to award the money to. 03:42:54
One of the other groups that applied. 03:42:59
Or potentially rolled over to next year and add it to the next year arch grant so that instead of it being 20,000 it would be. 03:43:01
20,000 plus. 03:43:10
Whatever is. 03:43:12
So on this person dates of that, when was the money roll over? 03:43:13
So that would have to be. 03:43:21
Part of the. 03:43:23
Final budget, so that would be? 03:43:24
And like the last with our final budget and then we would. 03:43:27
So they'd have to get their approval in the next month, correct? 03:43:33
OK, umm. 03:43:36
David, Larry. 03:43:37
You are part of the. 03:43:39
Group, The Heritage Foundation. 03:43:41
Yeah, David Lure for the Vineyard Heritage Foundation. 03:43:43
We we made the presentation for this and. 03:43:47
The we've already met with X development and they who own that. 03:43:50
Area in the center with the. 03:43:55
The layer was not a tolerance, actually a ladle we found out. 03:43:57
As part of our research on this. 03:44:00
Anyway, and we have, we do have tentative permission to do this. 03:44:01
We're looking into, we're in talks with them about what kind of memorial or monument. 03:44:05
Would be placing there. 03:44:10
And so this, this was a tentative drawing that we did just to lock up to give a nice a start. 03:44:11
But we certainly are are. 03:44:17
Flexible in terms of the kind of memorial we would put there. 03:44:19
And it was also suggested we might put some smaller. 03:44:22
Consistent memorials with on the corners looking at it so that it would be something you could see far and then. 03:44:27
The close-ups on the corner that you could look at. 03:44:34
We're also as. 03:44:37
That's part of the expense to us. We're working on a separate project that we'll link this into. 03:44:39
That would allow a QR code here to link into a website. 03:44:43
That would have more information. 03:44:47
On Geneva Steel works on the. 03:44:49
The ladle also we're teaming up with. 03:44:51
With the Utah Valley University, their archives where they've been recording. 03:44:55
Interviews with many of the workers who worked at Geneva Steele. 03:45:01
Talking about the kind of work they did, what was like to work there and so forth. 03:45:05
And so we would this would only it would all link into that. 03:45:08
The way we would do that is not fully worked out the. 03:45:12
We've agreed on some tentative landing pages that we would be able to. 03:45:16
Linked to their their site then they would then. 03:45:19
You know, link to the interviews and so forth and. 03:45:22
And they would have links back to us as well. 03:45:25
So that's all being worked out. 03:45:27
But that's the plan. 03:45:30
If for some reason that. 03:45:32
We would not the plans to do this fall through we have. 03:45:35
One of the other tentative sites around the city that we could. 03:45:38
We could also put memorials up at so that would be. 03:45:41
Something we would then take back to the Arts Commission and get their approval. 03:45:44
Because the the whole ask go to this one memorial. This ask is for this memorial. The intent is that we would put up some some. 03:45:49
Memorial, not unlike the things you see in the cemetery, was the slabs of. 03:45:58
Marvel. 03:46:01
With carving on them and embossed picture and so forth. OK. 03:46:03
In the scene with this or Morgan, would this need to go through any kind of approval process with the Planning Commission? 03:46:08
You know, I mean, it's so minor. We could, we could just run it as like a. 03:46:17
Side plan. I mean there, there there is one concern if you if you. 03:46:21
You are having umm uh. 03:46:24
Folks coming to view it that are crossing the travel lane that doesn't have a crosswalk there, there are some safety things that 03:46:26
that we do need to look at. 03:46:31
And so I would say kind of within that. 03:46:37
That kind of realm, we just want to make sure that it's a safe place that people cross. 03:46:40
The traveling in a roundabout where there might not be a lot of disability, we just want to make sure that we're not. 03:46:47
Potentially putting people in a. So what kind of stipulation would we need to add to those vessels? You have to work with planning 03:46:52
and engineering and then? 03:46:57
Also the stipulation that after. 03:47:02
This would have to turn back over if they didn't have site plan approval to go back into the competitive grant kind of program 03:47:05
with wrap tax with those be the two, I think that's the other good conditions. 03:47:10
Place on it. OK, Council, do you have any other questions for Jerem? 03:47:15
Now I met with them and they were great. I heard all the details, it was awesome. 03:47:25
And is it worth going over the ones that we didn't pick or just maybe not because it's. 03:47:29
Maybe not, maybe you guys could hang out together but we can chat later. 03:47:36
OK. Thank you. 03:47:42
Just kidding. Unless, Jim, you wanted to explain, Unless you wanted to tell us what we should recommend as far as putting things 03:47:45
out for the future and our. 03:47:49
Yeah, if you go back to the second slide. 03:47:54
But maybe a holistically? 03:47:57
Not too much detail. 03:47:59
Like elevator speech? 03:48:02
Some of these that were not approved, we didn't feel like they were. 03:48:04
Felt under the umbrella of the Arts Commission. 03:48:09
With culture and. 03:48:12
Heritage and whatnot. 03:48:15
Do you guys have a plan to? Did you feel like your application was clear and they just kind of came anyway? 03:48:16
Or do you feel like we could make it more clear? I feel like our application was clear. I feel like as we were reviewing it. 03:48:23
Yeah, we felt like. 03:48:31
I think there's some Gray area there that maybe we could review further what it was what we're looking for as far as arch, but. 03:48:34
OK. 03:48:42
All right everybody, I just need a motion. I would recommend 2 conditions, a stipulation for a minor or to work with. 03:48:44
Planning and engineering and for the turnover after the budget if they haven't gotten approval. 03:48:51
All right, Sarah. 03:49:07
Likes that motion to approve all of these with those two conditions on the last one which is related to the Heritage Foundation. 03:49:08
Did I get that motion? 03:49:17
Correct. Yes, yes. And then I need a second. 03:49:19
Second, Second by Brett. 03:49:23
All in favor. 03:49:26
Aye. 03:49:28
And then we have one last thing, which is a 45 day stay of the. 03:49:29
Vineyard Center Long range plan. 03:49:35
Can I get a motion? 03:49:38
If you do not want it, you can make a motion that says you don't want it. 03:49:49
They've got to stop building so. 03:49:56
We've got to because we retracted the bond, right? So that means they've got to stop. If we don't, they're going to continue to 03:49:59
build the building. 03:50:03
Now it's long range planning, so it's different. There's difference between the construction and the financing and the long range 03:50:07
plan. 03:50:11
So this would be. 03:50:15
You wanted a 45 day stay on? 03:50:17
Yeah. So we need to make a motion so we can have time to regroup on what we're going to do. 03:50:21
Is that what it is? 03:50:27
It was it was your request to do a 45 day stay and not work on things. And so the request would be do you want to continue the 03:50:29
long range plan or do you want a 45 day stay? 03:50:34
I can restate what I understood this to mean. You can tell me whether I had it right. 03:50:43
When the. 03:50:49
When the parameters resolution was active before the action that you took today. 03:50:51
There was a question of how does that interact with? 03:50:56
The effort. 03:51:00
Toward a referenda. 03:51:02
And the short answer on that is there's not a stay on activities under the referenda unless. 03:51:03
There are enough signatures. 03:51:10
And there could, there it would. 03:51:12
It could take up to 45 days for those signatures to come in and to know whether you hit that point. And so I think the ask was. 03:51:15
To consider a 45 day stay. 03:51:23
Visa V The signature gathering process. 03:51:25
It seems to me this agenda item is moot now that you've withdrawn OK parameters resolution. All right with that. 03:51:29
We don't actually have to do anything on that. Then. Then we can close the meeting unless anybody has any other comments. 03:51:38
All right, Roger, and thank you. 03:51:45