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Event transcript
OK. 00:00:02
All right, today is August 13th. 00:00:07
2025 and the time is 601. 00:00:09
We're going to go ahead and I'll call our City Council meeting to order. 00:00:12
We're going to start out with an invocation and the Pledge of Allegiance given by. 00:00:17
City Council member. 00:00:21
And then we'll proceed with our agenda. 00:00:22
My Father in heaven, we're grateful that we can all be here this evening to. 00:00:34
Discuss the business of the city. 00:00:38
We ask that we can. 00:00:40
Accomplish the. 00:00:42
The things that that would have us accomplished that we can. 00:00:43
Be mindful of each other in this we pray in the name of Jesus Christ, Amen. 00:00:46
All right. 00:00:52
I pledge allegiance. 00:00:57
In the United States of America. 00:00:59
And to the Republic for which it stands. 00:01:02
One Nation. 00:01:04
Under God. 00:01:05
Indivisible with liberty and justice for all. 00:01:07
All right. We're going to go ahead and start out with some presentations and the first one will be delivered by our Deputy Chief 00:01:10
Rockwell. 00:01:16
Who is going to present? 00:01:21
Our Sergeant. 00:01:23
Come on. 00:01:25
All right. 00:01:38
We recently we had a change in our in our sergeants here in Vineyard. 00:01:39
Most of you remember Sergeant Greg Sherwood. He served with us here in Vineyard for. 00:01:42
Three years and I just wanted to take a minute just to thank him for his service. 00:01:46
The vineyard and talk a little bit about things he was able to accomplish while he was here. 00:01:50
When we when he first came on, it was right after we had. 00:01:54
My position changed to Lieutenant, so he was the lone Sergeant here in the city. 00:01:57
And that's a unique position because normally a Sergeant is out with his guys are out and off when these guys are off. 00:02:02
But when you got, when he's, when you supervise guys seven days a week, 24. 00:02:08
Hours a day. 00:02:11
That's not always. That's not the case, though. He had a big burden of supervising all the guys. 00:02:13
And work in a kind of a crazy schedule for a while. 00:02:17
And we always get a bunch of our. 00:02:20
There are newer deputies and Greg has done a great job or did a great job. He'll continue to do so of mentoring the new guys. 00:02:22
Helping them learn, you know what, the way we do the business of the county and in Vineyard and just helping them learn how to 00:02:29
investigate cases and do. 00:02:32
Good works for the for the residents here and throughout the county. 00:02:36
He's just such a great asset to the Sheriff's Office. I mean, he's been with us. 00:02:41
1314 years. 00:02:45
Close to 14 years at the county and he served before that with Spanish Fork. 00:02:46
But just a great asset and just a great person. I just wanted to thank him. 00:02:51
For all the work he did in Vineyard, he's now going to be serving as a one of our sergeants on our county patrol teams. So. 00:02:55
Thank you, Greg. 00:03:01
So. 00:03:06
Thank you. 00:03:12
To fill those big shoes. 00:03:14
Is Sergeant Austin Edwards. 00:03:16
He's been at the county now for six years. 00:03:18
Been a Sergeant for three of those. 00:03:21
Before that, he worked for Pleasant Grove City. 00:03:23
Police Department for 13 years, so he has a wide range of. 00:03:25
Wide range of skills and and. 00:03:29
Experience and knowledge. He's also one of our team leaders on our SWAT team at the county right now. 00:03:33
So he brings that element into the city for us and some of those those tactical mindset for us, which is going to be awesome. And 00:03:38
he has some big shoes to fill, fill in for Greg. 00:03:43
But we're very excited to have him. 00:03:47
And excited to see what he can do with the team and motivate them and help them continue the work that we've been doing here in 00:03:49
Vineyard. And we just like to introduce him and. 00:03:53
And thank him for coming on. 00:03:57
So thank you so much, we're going to stand up and chat for you too. 00:03:58
Anyway, we're just grateful for both of them. They're both awesome. Yeah. Thank you so much. Thank you for serving and being with 00:04:02
us, and thank you for joining our team. Yes, please give a speech. 00:04:10
It was fun to come back. 00:04:19
To a smaller city. I worked with cities before. 00:04:21
And Vineyard is a small, tight knit community. And it was. 00:04:25
Nice to get to know a lot of the staff here and the council and the mayor and. 00:04:28
It was good to have that. 00:04:33
You know, technic, community and. 00:04:34
Be a part of that again, and you're close to the calls. You're right on top of things. 00:04:36
It was fun to serve and to be here with you, so thanks for that opportunity. 00:04:41
Yeah. Thank you so much for being here and. 00:04:45
We're gonna miss you so. 00:04:49
But we're glad to stand here serving in the county. 00:04:50
Appreciate it. 00:04:53
That brings us. 00:04:58
Right through our economic. 00:04:59
Development strategic plan update. 00:05:00
And Cash Fancy is here to give that presentation. 00:05:03
Thank you, Mayor Council. 00:05:08
I just have a brief presentation for an update on where we're at with the economic development. 00:05:11
Strategic plan. 00:05:15
We're hoping that I'll be back here in just a few weeks seeking approval of the document. 00:05:16
But I just kind of want to let all of you know where we're at in it. I also sent a copy of. 00:05:21
Of the actual. 00:05:25
Document to all of you today. 00:05:28
And I'm totally open. If anybody wants to meet and then go over that, I'm more than happy to. 00:05:30
To do that. 00:05:34
So there we go. 00:05:36
If my presentation will work. 00:05:43
There we go. So one of the aspects of the plan that I really like at the beginning is they include this quote that says to 00:05:45
effectively implement a strategy, it's important to say no to certain opportunities and is. 00:05:50
As it is to say yes to others. So I have some images here of something of what what placemaking economic development can bring to 00:05:56
a community. 00:06:00
And then, you know, I have some examples here in Utah also what economic development can bring to a community. And so, you know, 00:06:04
I, I just want to use these types of images as we consider. 00:06:09
What? What does the economic development of our city look like in the future? 00:06:13
So the document itself, it's roughly over 60 pages, most of that is going to be data collection that Leland consultants. 00:06:18
Firm did for us and I just included some here that I thought was interesting talking about. 00:06:25
Our existing kind of jobs that we have in the city as well as the unmet demand, umm. 00:06:30
In Vineyard, so you can see you there, right, the very top, we have a really big demand for a grocery store. 00:06:35
We know that from the residents, but also the the data's telling us that too. And hopefully in a few months here we'll be able to 00:06:40
meet a lot of that that demand. 00:06:44
And so this data provides some framework about what we can do in the community development department to. 00:06:48
Help bring in these retailers or these. 00:06:54
Commercial businesses to the city. 00:06:57
To help us out. 00:06:59
OK, so the the meat of the the. 00:07:02
Economic Development Strategic Plan, or EDSP for short. 00:07:06
Is really the implementation plan, and what that is is it includes a road map, a tool kit. 00:07:09
And in the end, it's a general plan appendix, it's a, it's a document that we can go back to and rely on. 00:07:15
To help guide decisions. 00:07:19
In the future. 00:07:22
And as part of that, there's five overall strategies that I'll briefly review, 16 objectives and then 35 actions. This is meant to 00:07:23
be a 10 year plan. So it gives us these actions that that we can do on our team as well as the council and another staff members 00:07:28
can do over these 10 years. 00:07:33
And then it's meant to be revisited and then kind of realign where where we need to be. 00:07:38
Well, the document isn't, it isn't land use regulation, so it doesn't, you know, pass any new laws or ordinances or anything like 00:07:42
that. 00:07:45
And it's just kind of that, like I said. 00:07:48
Road map or toolkit to help us? 00:07:50
So briefly, I'll go over these strategies that there are five of them. The first one is to create a vineyard healthcare and 00:07:53
innovation district through placemaking, infrastructure, branding and partnerships. 00:07:58
This is really brought on when Huntsman Cancer Institute announced that they were. 00:08:02
Don't relocating here in Vineyard. 00:08:06
Our consultants thought that that would be the a really good partnership. 00:08:07
To bring them on and create some sort of brand for that whole area of how we can try and attract other retailers through this 00:08:11
specific placemaking. 00:08:15
The second one is improved multimodal access, mobility and connectivity to downtown Vineyard to accommodate the demands of a 00:08:19
growing and vibrant city. 00:08:23
The action steps in here include things like. 00:08:26
Getting rid of the rail spur line. Working with UTA to improve transit. 00:08:28
Working with you not to to improve vehicular access. 00:08:32
Umm #3. 00:08:35
Support residents. 00:08:38
Vineyard residents and future workforce by ensuring a diversity of housing to meet their. 00:08:39
Growing in diverse needs. 00:08:43
This doesn't at all call for increased density or anything like that. A lot of it has to do with how we brand that, that we are a 00:08:45
city that that you can be born into, that you can have your first apartment, your first condo, townhome. 00:08:50
House, you know, whatever it may be. 00:08:55
And really brand that as our community. 00:08:57
#4 is enhancing capitalize on lake access and vineyards location to provide a unique regional attraction to local residents in 00:09:00
many. 00:09:04
And residents and visitors and this one, those action steps are going to be things like implement steps of the lakefront master 00:09:08
plan that we've completed. 00:09:12
As well as work with the council in the community on finding. 00:09:17
Businesses that we think would do really well on the lakefront and really reserve that kind of lakefront access for these 00:09:20
businesses that would really. 00:09:23
Do well on the lake and. 00:09:27
Enhance the beauty of the lake in return. 00:09:28
And then the last one is established. Vineyard is a premier retail destination that sports local entrepreneurs as well as regional 00:09:31
national brands. Right here I just have a list of of some of these big anchors that that we have brought to the community. 00:09:37
And the action steps here help us work with our land owners that have commercial property to. 00:09:42
Find what these anchors are for a community and bring them here. 00:09:48
So with that, that's all I have. So I look forward to working with each of you, each one of you and if you have comments on the. 00:09:51
Actual. 00:09:58
Plan. I'd be happy to take over those with you. 00:09:59
Yeah, that's wonderful. We'll see that's coming up in a future council meeting, so. 00:10:01
If you have. 00:10:05
Time to make an appointment with Cash and sit down and really thoroughly go through the plan that will really help us. 00:10:08
As we prepare it and bring it to the public. 00:10:15
Tremendous job. They've taken this through the process. So I think he's been working on us for about a year and a half now. 00:10:21
It's been a while, but. 00:10:29
As part of this is it'll be going to Planning Commission and it'll there'll be a work session in the public hearing there. 00:10:30
Process from here is going to be fairly quick, so we would. 00:10:37
I think cash is. 00:10:41
Provided invitations to meet and he's met with some of you if you do have the time. 00:10:42
Please meet with them, this is a very important future of the city. 00:10:46
And then we'll be back before you, probably. 00:10:50
October time frame. 00:10:53
Thank you. Thank you so much. Thanks. 00:10:55
Your work on that as well. 00:10:57
All right, the AI governance policy has been posted. 00:10:59
There's some stuff that still has to be worked on so that moves us right into public comments. 00:11:02
If you have. 00:11:07
If you're wanting to make a public comment. 00:11:09
Please come up to the podium, state your name and where you're from. 00:11:11
And also if you could raise your hand to let me know if you're going to make a public comment. 00:11:14
So I've got. 00:11:21
So far. 00:11:22
All right, come on up and. 00:11:24
We welcome your comments. 00:11:27
Good evening. 00:11:33
Daria Evans Villas resident. 00:11:35
First off, thank you for letting me. 00:11:38
Have this opportunity to. 00:11:40
Share a few comments and. 00:11:42
Questions. First off, I'd like to thank Brett. 00:11:44
Clausen for giving me the 2 letters from you regarding the removal of political signage. 00:11:47
At the overpass, I really appreciate him following through with me. 00:11:52
On that. 00:11:55
Also Karen Spencer for helping me get access to the meeting media. 00:11:57
For the July 23rd City Council meeting, I had trouble accessing it and she helped me work through it. 00:12:01
And I would also like to thank Jordan Christensen and his Utah. 00:12:07
Trombone Collective. 00:12:11
For their concert, they performed on August 10th in the Greenbelt at the Utah City Development. 00:12:13
And. 00:12:20
It was great. 00:12:21
Some people that were here. 00:12:22
It was it was a great opportunity. 00:12:26
Also, I'd like to like to. 00:12:28
Thank the Parks and Recreation. 00:12:31
For the. 00:12:34
Extension of the Linden Heritage Trail. 00:12:36
I've ridden on it and it's great. 00:12:38
I do would like to present some concerns that I have of the July 9th and the 23rd City Council meetings. 00:12:41
Regarding the community fishery of the Penny Springs Park. 00:12:48
Beginning at minute mark 36. 00:12:54
.14 Mr. Ellis. 00:12:56
Our director here. 00:12:59
Said that we have partnered with the Division of the Wildlife, the DWR, to bring in sport fishing. 00:13:01
So our local anglers can take advantage of that. 00:13:08
And I was surprised that there was no discussion about it other than Sarah Cameron asking if there would be someone who could get 00:13:11
the fish for them. 00:13:15
My questions are these. 00:13:21
What is the cost associated with this amenity? 00:13:23
Who will clean the fist? 00:13:27
Training station every day. 00:13:29
Snakes are attracted to fish, ducks and heads. 00:13:31
So that is a problem. 00:13:35
Who will operate the fish feeder and make sure that the pond is aerated? 00:13:37
What will be the limit on fish caught? 00:13:43
Who will check for fishing licenses? 00:13:47
Will this be a year round operation? 00:13:50
Who will clean up the grounds around the pond, taking up lures, worm containers, other trash? 00:13:53
Who will make sure that children or others do not fall into the pond? 00:14:00
What kind of insurance will the city need to protect against? 00:14:04
Accidental injury or negligence. 00:14:08
As it was also a consent item on 7.1 of the July 23rd. 00:14:12
City Council meeting. 00:14:17
It was an approval for the July 20. 00:14:18
For the July 9th minutes. 00:14:20
No questions were asked about it then either. 00:14:22
I believe this fishery. 00:14:25
It's not a good use of our resources and should have an up or down vote before we move forward with it. 00:14:27
I think these questions need to be answered also before we move. 00:14:33
Move forward with it. 00:14:36
Each dollar. 00:14:38
That Vineyard spends needs to be spent appropriately. 00:14:39
Also in the July 23rd City Council meeting. 00:14:43
That's a minute, mark. 00:14:47
One hour, 34 minutes. 00:14:49
Said to pull the RFP from the agenda. 00:14:52
About the auditor. 00:14:55
And review it. 00:14:57
What in a way that the Council will be able to review the RFP? 00:14:58
And look at it. 00:15:02
And award the bid. 00:15:04
At minute mark one. 00:15:06
.34 point 4/7. 00:15:08
Decided to strike it from the agenda and this was done and the meeting was adjourned. 00:15:11
My questions are this. 00:15:16
Has the Council really had enough time to review this RFP? 00:15:17
Tonight's agenda packet is 96 pages long. 00:15:21
And 56 pages of it are dedicated to the auditor RSP. 00:15:25
And now I have some questions about tonight's agenda that I think. 00:15:30
Hit the answer before you consent to these items. 00:15:34
It's about the Linden emergency water. 00:15:39
Does this benefit the entire city? 00:15:44
Based on the. 00:15:48
Recently approved water master plan refers to a north and. 00:15:51
South service area. 00:15:55
Will this? 00:15:58
Take care of the whole city because there's no east to West service. 00:16:00
Agreement. 00:16:04
How will Vineyard get water in an emergency if we're using linen water and they need to restrict the flow? 00:16:05
How will the water qualify? 00:16:14
Water quality be verified prior. 00:16:16
To using Linden's water and throughout the usage period. 00:16:19
How will Vineyard get water? 00:16:24
If there is an emergency and Linden is restricting the flow. 00:16:27
How will we get the water? 00:16:32
How will Vineyard determine the flow? 00:16:35
We need from vineyard and not exceed. 00:16:37
The requested flow. 00:16:40
Those are my questions for that and now. 00:16:42
Have questions for item? 00:16:44
7.3. 00:16:46
How much water has Vineyard contracted for? 00:16:49
With a C UW CD the Central Utah Water Conservation District. 00:16:53
How much water does Vineyard use each year? 00:17:00
If Vineyard doesn't use all the water. 00:17:03
Is there a financial credit? 00:17:06
For not using it. 00:17:07
It said in the little. 00:17:14
Part of it it's. 00:17:16
Talking about. 00:17:17
Extending the life of the existing infrastructure. 00:17:19
How will the restrictions extend that life? 00:17:22
I don't see how that can really happen. 00:17:26
And how will Vineyard enforce? 00:17:29
The monitoring procedures. 00:17:31
And is the new water tank and booster station operational? 00:17:35
And if not, why not? 00:17:40
And also we have had. 00:17:44
Not much water pressure in our home. 00:17:47
And I'm wondering. 00:17:50
If umm. 00:17:52
There is a concern because of that lack of water pressure. 00:17:53
Will there be enough water pressure for Fire Protection? 00:17:56
Or suppression. 00:17:59
And umm, we're in an HOA and we have. 00:18:02
You know, different. 00:18:06
Needs and so how are we going to. 00:18:08
Meet those requirements the city might put up. 00:18:12
Put on. 00:18:14
Of The Ethiopians. 00:18:16
And also. 00:18:17
Why have we not? 00:18:19
Done the flip the strip. 00:18:22
Flip the strips, it's been mentioned several years ago. 00:18:23
And we have not. 00:18:26
Implemented that, there was money budgeted for it. Why have we not? 00:18:28
Acted proactively. 00:18:31
To conserve water. 00:18:33
And I think. 00:18:35
Those questions should be answered. 00:18:37
Before these items are consented to. Thank you very much, Appreciate your time. 00:18:40
All right. Thank you. 00:18:47
Karen Cornelia. 00:19:02
Cornell, yes, the Villa resident. 00:19:03
And thank you, Daria. I'll answer my questions were covered. 00:19:05
With her. 00:19:08
Her questions and her presentation. 00:19:10
But I have something that's really troubling me. 00:19:12
Care of and. 00:19:15
Right. OK, let's go two sides of it. 00:19:17
One is our code of conduct. 00:19:21
And I have a question about that and another. 00:19:24
Is I know that we. 00:19:27
Stopped the umm. 00:19:29
City Hall as it was presented with the. 00:19:32
$35 million. 00:19:35
Bond parameters. 00:19:36
Quite some time ago. 00:19:38
And yet there is a council member who continually. 00:19:39
Accuses me of lying to the public. 00:19:43
Regarding a $35 million City Hall. 00:19:46
Now I have never been able to. 00:19:51
Until the last couple of days to find out what my lie was. 00:19:53
But the lie was apparently that we were never going to build a $35 million City Hall. 00:19:58
So my question is if we were never going to build a $35 million City Hall? 00:20:03
Why did we go for bond parameter of $35 million? 00:20:08
If I wanted to build something for $20 million. 00:20:12
I would go. 00:20:15
Or bond parameter of $20 million. 00:20:16
And I probably wouldn't make the people around me so angry. 00:20:19
But I do not think. 00:20:23
That it. 00:20:25
It adheres to the code of conduct in any way, shape or form. 00:20:27
For a council member to call a citizen. 00:20:31
On social media, a liar. 00:20:34
It's not fair. 00:20:37
I simply was saying and sharing. 00:20:39
What I had learned. 00:20:42
In the many meetings that I went to. 00:20:43
And the final meeting being. 00:20:46
Where the council voted to approve a $35 million bond parameter. 00:20:48
No one that night said, oh, but don't worry, we're not going to spend 35 million. 00:20:53
When we bond for something, you are telling me, the taxpayer. 00:20:58
That and that gentleman from the bonding company left and said. 00:21:02
I'm ready to go sell. 00:21:06
Your $35 million bonds. 00:21:08
So to me that tells me as a taxpayer. 00:21:11
That our city, whether it's my property tax or my sales tax. 00:21:15
Our city is going to be bound to that. 00:21:18
And then to be called a liar. 00:21:21
On social media. 00:21:23
For the entire city to hear is not. 00:21:25
Fair and I thought the code of conduct. 00:21:27
Went both ways. 00:21:31
I am expected to adhere by a certain. 00:21:34
Standards when I come up here to speak and I expect. 00:21:37
Those standards to be adhered to by each one of you. 00:21:40
And I don't appreciate that. 00:21:45
And that is my concern. 00:21:47
Another concern I have with respect to the code of conduct is. 00:21:49
And I don't have this whole story and I don't know who does. 00:21:53
But a lot of information has come out in the last two days about the. 00:21:57
So-called. 00:22:02
Fake Facebook identities. 00:22:04
And I would say that maybe we need to amend our. 00:22:08
Card of conduct. 00:22:11
To say that that is not permissible either. 00:22:13
And I would hope. 00:22:15
That this body will get to the bottom of that. 00:22:16
Because there is one member of the council that was literally called crazy. 00:22:19
For assuming that that was happening. 00:22:23
When it was happening. 00:22:25
So that's my concern tonight. Thanks. 00:22:27
Coming forward quick. 00:22:49
David, Larry. 00:22:50
I wanted to. 00:22:51
Thank Dorothy Evans. 00:22:54
For a list of questions, thank you very much, Daria. I appreciate the work and effort goes into keeping track of things for us, 00:22:55
for all of us. 00:22:58
I want to add one thing to the list that is that. 00:23:02
It is my understanding that when the. 00:23:04
Park Pond was first created. 00:23:07
He was meant to be a holding pond. 00:23:09
So that uh, uh. 00:23:12
This water coming into the city overnight was collected there. 00:23:13
Collected there so overnight it could be used to water. 00:23:18
Through the secondary water system. 00:23:21
And during the process. 00:23:22
It would deplete the water. 00:23:24
Quite a bit in the pond. 00:23:26
And then throughout the day, it would rise again. 00:23:27
If we're planning to use it as a. 00:23:29
A fishery or whatever you want to call it, nice to fish that you're going to have. 00:23:32
You know that may not. 00:23:36
Close the world with a fish there. 00:23:38
You're going to use up their water. 00:23:39
So we probably should decide what it really is. 00:23:41
First before we decided to put fish in it. 00:23:44
If we could clarify that, that would be great. Thank you. 00:23:48
Thanks. Any other comments? 00:23:51
OK. I'm going to go ahead and close the public comments then. 00:23:55
I think we could address a few of these tonight. 00:23:58
Let's see. 00:24:01
Why don't we start? 00:24:02
With David's question. 00:24:05
Some of these comments we won't be able to address tonight, but there are staff members that you can meet with and I think sit 00:24:08
down and really get to the heart of these questions. 00:24:12
If it's something that you would like to be brought back to the public at that point. 00:24:15
We can bring that back for everybody at the next meeting so that you can see what we talked about during that time. 00:24:20
Because there's so many questions, but I think. 00:24:26
It would be helpful for the residents to understand. 00:24:29
Penny Springs Pond. 00:24:33
I would just. 00:24:37
Start by inviting Devin up but. 00:24:40
I wanted to mention that. 00:24:43
When we sat down with. 00:24:45
Division of Wildlife Resources. 00:24:46
They just, they, they kind of walked us through. 00:24:49
Some thresholds that would. 00:24:52
Allow the fish to be healthy. 00:24:54
And what I'm going to have Devin talk about is. 00:24:57
That springs. 00:25:01
Has a depth of. 00:25:02
10 feet. 00:25:04
Or more. 00:25:05
Division of Wildlife Resources was not concerned if it was. 00:25:08
Getting any? 00:25:11
Anywhere you know. 00:25:12
Between 10 feet deep and. 00:25:14
And three feet deep. 00:25:16
As long as there was water there for the fish. 00:25:18
They would, They would. 00:25:21
The you know, plenty healthy. 00:25:22
Their intention is to. 00:25:26
Plant some colder water fish. 00:25:28
Early in the spring each year. 00:25:30
And then? 00:25:32
For the rest of the summer, knowing that it would be a warmer. 00:25:33
Water body just because it's. 00:25:36
You know, not not an overly large one. 00:25:37
They'll plan to put some warmer water fishing. 00:25:40
In that. 00:25:43
Location. 00:25:45
To add. 00:25:47
A couple of Darius questions. 00:25:48
The fish being caught. 00:25:51
This is this is managed by the Division of Wildlife. 00:25:53
And so they. 00:25:56
We use their proclamation, their fish proclamation. 00:25:58
And the division of wildlife is the entity that manages. 00:26:01
All wildlife in the state. 00:26:05
In community fisheries, just as they do in. 00:26:07
In wild settings. 00:26:09
And so. 00:26:11
Any of the fish. 00:26:12
Counts for a daily. 00:26:14
Daily Catch. 00:26:17
Just applied to that proclamation. 00:26:19
As far as? 00:26:21
Who cleans up? 00:26:22
The general area. 00:26:24
This is This is going to be a. 00:26:26
A feature within parks. 00:26:28
And the park's maintenance staff. 00:26:30
Is sure to. 00:26:32
Pass through all of our parks and make sure that they stay tidy. 00:26:34
They maintain the restrooms. 00:26:37
As part of that. 00:26:39
Regular duty they would check on the fish cleaning station that will be attached to the restroom. 00:26:40
And be sure that that's tidy, but maybe tell us a little bit about the. 00:26:45
Elevation of the Pi Pond from. 00:26:49
On a day-to-day basis over the summer. 00:26:51
Umm, so. 00:26:53
Yeah, the. 00:26:55
The elevation of the water in the pond. 00:26:57
We can kind of control that. 00:26:59
When we. 00:27:05
Run those pumps, it draws it down. 00:27:06
You know, 3 or 4 feet, but there's a screen that we tried to keep it above. 00:27:09
So, umm. 00:27:14
We really only. 00:27:15
We still have about 3-3 and a half feet in the bottom of it. 00:27:16
When? 00:27:20
That the umm. 00:27:20
Division of sorry. 00:27:22
Yeah, the wildlife resources, they met on site with this. 00:27:24
They looked at it. We sent them our drawings of the pond. 00:27:27
We gave them all this information. They did the study. 00:27:31
They feel real comfortable with it. And my understanding, Brian. 00:27:34
Brian's been more involved. 00:27:38
My understanding is. 00:27:40
They're pretty much doing everything. They're planting the fish. 00:27:41
There's really not much cost to the city, right? 00:27:46
As far as cost of the city, the Pi pond is being enhanced. 00:27:51
Through a through a city expenditure to improve that as a. 00:27:55
As a Piacon. 00:27:59
So all of that work that you're seeing being done right now was budgeted long ago, not for. 00:28:00
Creating a community fishery per se, but rather to enhance that as a as a structure. 00:28:05
The only element that we're adding. 00:28:10
Fish for that community fishery. 00:28:13
Is a habitat structure. 00:28:16
That will be somewhere in the ballpark of $10,000. 00:28:17
And that was we received those dollars through a grant. 00:28:21
From. 00:28:24
Department of Natural Resources. 00:28:25
Watershed restoration initiative. 00:28:27
And that's what that is, an. 00:28:30
You know, fully a grant that's paying for that habitat structure. 00:28:31
Any other questions? 00:28:37
I said I. 00:28:38
Brian's kind of Dylan. 00:28:39
More with the. 00:28:41
Actual uh. 00:28:42
Fishery part of. 00:28:43
I think there was a. 00:28:46
Question about how it will be maintained, but then how our parts will be maintained and? 00:28:48
It will continue to happen through our Parks and Rec. 00:28:53
Program that we maintain it. 00:28:55
Just like any other thing that you would find that's falling to the ground there. 00:28:57
We have a great team that. 00:29:01
Takes care of that. 00:29:02
Let's see. Another thing, I think for the address. Let's see. 00:29:05
The City Hall. 00:29:11
So there was. 00:29:13
Several meetings that happened on the City Hall. 00:29:15
This particular meeting that you were discussing talked about bond parameters. 00:29:18
Eric, I don't know if you want to address why it was for 35 million and how we. 00:29:23
Review that and then I can. 00:29:28
Give like a timeline or you can give a timeline of how it was voted on. 00:29:30
Sure. So the. 00:29:34
The general idea behind the bond parameters being set. 00:29:36
Higher number than necessarily we intended to use. 00:29:40
Was that? 00:29:44
As we were entering into those conversations. 00:29:45
We had some unknowns. 00:29:48
And so anytime you have unknowns. 00:29:49
In a bond scenario, you bond for. 00:29:52
Essentially the maximum amount that it could possibly be. 00:29:56
That was taking into consideration the fact that at the time we did not know. 00:29:59
How much mag? 00:30:04
To contribute as a partner. 00:30:07
In fact, that amount could have been as little as $1,000,000. 00:30:09
And ended up being as. 00:30:12
Ended up being $9 million. 00:30:14
And so we were incorporating in. 00:30:16
The portion even that our partner was going to be. 00:30:19
Paying the city for long term. 00:30:22
And so we based it off of the value of the entire structure, even though it was. 00:30:25
Known that that was going to have one or more partners. 00:30:30
We just didn't want to have to come back later. 00:30:33
If it was bonded for that full amount. 00:30:36
To have to redo that. 00:30:40
What it ended up being was. 00:30:42
The bond was going to be more along the lines of 18 to 18 and a half million. 00:30:44
And that was exactly what we were hoping. 00:30:50
Would happen. You set the parameters at the maximum amount possible. 00:30:53
You know, based on the value of the entire structure. 00:30:57
And then you. 00:31:01
You work over the coming months as you go through that. 00:31:02
Cost evaluation and partnership. 00:31:05
Contributions uh. 00:31:07
To get that number as low as possible. 00:31:09
Even the 18 and a half million was. 00:31:11
A combination of the cities. 00:31:14
Burden and our partner burden. 00:31:15
Combined SO. 00:31:19
So the city's burden was going to be closer to 15. 00:31:21
One of the things that I think wasn't mentioned. 00:31:25
But I'll clarify. 00:31:27
Is while the bond was discussed, the lower cost was also discussed at the time. 00:31:30
What was changed? 00:31:36
When the bond parameters were put in, was a stipulation to say. 00:31:38
While we're going to allow for the bond parameters to be. 00:31:42
And somewhat approved. 00:31:46
So that's a. 00:31:48
Work of education can start. 00:31:48
So the resolution. 00:31:51
The resolution had to be approved that night. 00:31:53
There was a stipulation vote. 00:31:55
That said. 00:31:57
No bonds will be sold. 00:31:58
Until it's voted on again. 00:32:00
So in May we held another meeting. 00:32:02
Which was the next one, so it was stipulated upon for another vote. 00:32:05
At that meeting. 00:32:09
It was voted against and the reason why it was voted against this financial structure. 00:32:10
Was so that more education could go out to the public to learn about the type of building. 00:32:15
Because one of the unknowns that we were talking about in the first meeting that you did attend. 00:32:20
Was that there were still some unknowns. 00:32:25
And we wanted to put. 00:32:27
Public to be able to understand that there was a need. 00:32:28
But we really needed to hone in on what that design looked like. There were still some questions about where the library would be. 00:32:31
There were questions about. 00:32:37
Additional aspects of the structure itself. And So what we did in May was we said let's go ahead and hold on that opportunity. 00:32:39
And so it was actually voted against during that time. 00:32:48
Now, because there was a resolution. 00:32:52
There were citizens that put in a referendum. 00:32:55
However, the vote was still in. 00:32:58
Process and so that is why the referendum ended. 00:33:00
In May because it was voted down at that time. 00:33:04
So what was not noted down was the building itself. 00:33:08
Itself, that is still being observed and discussed for the needs of the community and will continue to be something that goes 00:33:10
forward. 00:33:14
As our city is growing. 00:33:18
And it is something that our community needs. 00:33:20
How it will be paid for in the future, that will be brought back to a council. 00:33:22
At the future date and that will be decided. 00:33:26
At that time. 00:33:29
I hope that is helpful if. 00:33:30
If you'd like more information, I'd be happy to have Eric schedule a meeting for you with him and. 00:33:32
You can go over that further. 00:33:39
Let's see, I'm going to go ahead at this point. 00:33:41
And move on to our. 00:33:45
Consent items. 00:33:47
And the reason for that is so that we can discuss. 00:33:49
Some of the other. 00:33:52
Things that the Council would like to many of the things that were discussed. 00:33:54
By Saria. 00:33:59
Have to do with those things. So if anybody wants to pull anything off the consent agenda, if you if you haven't already 00:34:02
understood or if you need more information. 00:34:06
And please do that now and if not. 00:34:11
If we can always make sure that information gets to Daria and then gets to the public so that you can have additional information. 00:34:14
Information so. 00:34:21
I was going to propose that we approve 7.1, but we. 00:34:22
Take off 7.27 point 3. 00:34:26
And then 7.4 needs to be plus pound. 00:34:28
OK, so why don't you make you said you made the motion for 7.1 to be approved? 00:34:31
I propose it so I make a motion. 00:34:36
All right, we have a first by Marty. Can I get a second? 00:34:39
Second. Second by Sarah. All in favor. 00:34:42
Aye. 00:34:45
All right, let's go ahead and just. 00:34:47
The interlocal agreement with Linden for emergency water resolution 2025. 00:34:49
Didn't we? 00:34:55
Oh, that's what you said, I thought. 00:34:56
OK. 00:34:58
Try to make sure I do that right. 00:34:59
All right, go ahead, Eric. 00:35:01
So the. 00:35:03
Resolution for emergency water with Linden City. 00:35:05
Is one of two emergency connections that. 00:35:09
Vineyard will have. 00:35:11
Rather than. 00:35:13
Limit ourselves to just our main source coming from coming from Central UT Water Conservancy District. 00:35:16
We are maintaining. 00:35:21
And we passed a resolution I think just a couple weeks ago. 00:35:23
To approve an emergency water connection. 00:35:27
Through Orem City down at the South end of the city. 00:35:30
This creates an emergency connection between Linden. 00:35:33
When we met recently with Central Utah Water. 00:35:38
One of their toes. 00:35:40
Was that they would love to see. 00:35:43
Northern Utah County cities connected. 00:35:45
Through their water systems. 00:35:48
For just such circumstances. 00:35:50
It just provides options. 00:35:52
When something arises. 00:35:55
Whether that be some contamination in the central Utah line. 00:35:57
Or some any number of circumstances that leads to a concern. 00:36:01
This gives us an option. 00:36:06
It can pressurize our system and. 00:36:09
Provide water in a needed scenario. 00:36:12
And this just. 00:36:15
Gives us that assurity. 00:36:17
We have multiple connections into the city. We've got a connection at 1600 N and 800 N. 00:36:19
Down and down on the South end of the city as well. 00:36:25
It's just. 00:36:29
Prudent for the city to make sure that we have those options for connection. 00:36:30
And those. 00:36:34
A scene they can go. We could. We could. 00:36:38
Open that valve and send water uphill too, right to Linden SO. 00:36:41
It's just a. It's a security system for. 00:36:44
For all parties involved. 00:36:47
All right. 00:36:51
Questions there were some discussion on. 00:36:53
How much it costs, how much we contracted, how much do we use is their credit, how will there be restrictions? 00:36:56
Boost our operations water pressure. 00:37:02
Fire suppression. 00:37:05
Was a long list of things. Is there any questions about any of that? Does any everybody feel like they have a good grasp on what 00:37:06
that is or did you want to discuss it? 00:37:10
I might need reminders on a couple of those, but. 00:37:15
As far as the the fire pressure. 00:37:18
We recently met with. 00:37:21
Orem Vineyard, Linden Fire Department. 00:37:23
And they pointed out that their fire pressure. 00:37:26
And fire. 00:37:30
And water capacity for? 00:37:31
Fighting fires and vineyard. 00:37:33
And Linden and Orem are. 00:37:35
Are phenomenal. 00:37:38
That they have. 00:37:39
There's quite the supply because we're because we're on a gravity system coming from. 00:37:40
The hills of Orem. 00:37:45
And uphill from that with the water sources. 00:37:47
We don't have that. They don't have any expectation that we would. 00:37:51
Encounter a scenario where. 00:37:55
Water pressure or water availability would be a problem for the fire system. 00:37:57
What else do we have? Oh, the credit. 00:38:03
As far as the cost? 00:38:06
Vineyard is in the system with central Utah Water. That's called take and pay. 00:38:10
And that means? 00:38:15
That there are increments. 00:38:17
At which we tap into. 00:38:19
The available water. 00:38:22
Rights that the city has. 00:38:24
And so every year. 00:38:26
While we're growing, there's a chance that we jump into the next. 00:38:29
I think it's 100 acre increments. 00:38:32
We jump into that next one and once we've tapped into once when we go from. 00:38:36
1800 acre feet in the year to 1900 acre feet in the year. 00:38:40
You're now on the hook for that. 00:38:45
Going forward. 00:38:47
And as a growing city, that's not a huge deal because we just anticipate. 00:38:48
You know, filling in that full 100 acre feet of use. 00:38:52
But it's something that. 00:38:57
Is another reason why. 00:38:58
Central Utah is interested in. 00:39:00
And having cities connected so that. 00:39:02
You know, before you use that full amount or if a city adopts some water conservation practices, there's there's a chance that we 00:39:04
could set up an arrangement where. 00:39:08
Where we use their extra rather than taking the next 100 acre increment. 00:39:13
And so. 00:39:18
As we adopt. 00:39:19
Water conservation policies. 00:39:20
This is a great opportunity to not jump into that next. 00:39:23
100 acre feet. 00:39:27
So that we can. 00:39:29
Keep our costs as low as possible because once we once we. 00:39:30
Breach into that next. 00:39:33
Block of water. 00:39:35
We're on the hook every year for using that full block of water. 00:39:37
Might be something that we could do for the public. 00:39:41
And for the Council? 00:39:43
To kind of give a historical outline. 00:39:45
Umm, aside from what you're talking about, but you mentioned conservation is to show where we have. 00:39:48
Flip strips and then to show where it is on our priority list and why we had to. 00:39:53
Take that funding and put it elsewhere on certain years and how we continue to move forward with that. 00:39:58
Some of it isn't heated by different developer agreements because the easements are not necessarily turned over to us, but it's 00:40:03
our goal to replace them. 00:40:07
I think that would be helpful. 00:40:11
And we also. 00:40:13
Use We have a couple different sources of water. 00:40:14
We do everything we can to use the Pi pawn so that we can use. 00:40:16
Kind of keep our youth down. 00:40:22
Throughout the summertime by using that the. 00:40:24
Secondary water. 00:40:26
For some of our irrigation. 00:40:28
Anything that we can do to. 00:40:30
Keep our overall water usage below those. 00:40:32
Those 100 acre benchmarks is a great way to. 00:40:35
To keep our. 00:40:39
Reasonable. 00:40:41
The other question that came up was our North and South service area and east to West agreements. Did you want to address any of 00:40:42
that? 00:40:46
You got that? 00:40:51
We're going to let Devin. 00:40:52
Produce. 00:40:54
So with the North and South agreements that would kind of. 00:40:55
Was more when we were taking water from Orem. 00:40:59
Because we had a divider line that. 00:41:02
Form set up to a certain point which was 400 N. 00:41:03
And then north of that was. 00:41:07
Water we took from central UT. 00:41:08
July 1. 00:41:11
Those agreements we went over to Central UT. 00:41:13
And uh. 00:41:15
So now central Utah's feeding. 00:41:16
North Pole the way to South. 00:41:18
So it's all 11 water source. 00:41:20
But having these emergency connections. 00:41:23
One on the South and one on the north. 00:41:26
Can help. 00:41:28
In situations that. 00:41:29
Say central like they said central UT, right? 00:41:31
Have a project where they got to shut down for a minute. 00:41:34
It can help keep our pressures up if we need to use these emergencies. 00:41:36
Kind of just tying back to the Linden emergency. 00:41:42
This agreement's been in place forever, it just needed some updates. 00:41:45
But like you said, it's it's fully intended for us in emergency sakes only I. 00:41:51
If if we need the water. 00:41:57
So. 00:41:59
With other questions. 00:42:00
As far as the pressure is concerned. 00:42:04
We also got the water team coming up. 00:42:06
Online, I'll be in my report. 00:42:08
But the water thing should be online. 00:42:10
I forget what the date is, just like it went to my report. They're just doing the final testing on. 00:42:13
Leak detection. 00:42:19
And as soon as they got that, it was a week. 00:42:21
Before the Department of. 00:42:24
Our division of water. 00:42:26
Stripes of water with resources. 00:42:28
Council get the final approval and then we're using that tank. 00:42:30
And that having our water tank online. 00:42:35
Will also help create that. 00:42:37
Stable pressure throughout the city. 00:42:40
Because we'll have that store there when we lose the station attached to it. 00:42:43
And we should experience more, less. 00:42:46
And and real quick. As far as pressure goes, the state requires. 00:42:51
20PSI at all time for. 00:42:56
For fire emergencies. 00:42:58
We're well above that. We do have pressure monitoring stations. 00:43:00
Throughout the city, that alarms us A. 00:43:03
We do go. I have them set at the. 00:43:06
50PSI to alarm me so. 00:43:08
The only time we've hit that is during a couple. 00:43:11
New development. They do fire flow tests for their sprinkling systems. 00:43:15
But we're still, we're still staying way above that. 00:43:19
20PSI. 00:43:22
OK. And then I know there was a question we have. 00:43:24
This year we have contracted. 00:43:28
2538 acre feet through central UT. 00:43:30
Awesome. Thank you. 00:43:36
Council, do you have any more questions? 00:43:37
About this in particular. 00:43:39
I can make a motion to approve. 00:43:44
Item 7.2. 00:43:47
Right, I have a first by Marty. Can I get a second? 00:43:48
Actually do have one. One other thing. It's not so much a. 00:43:51
Question. 00:43:54
But based on some of the questions, I think it would be. 00:43:55
Beneficial for the public if we had. 00:43:58
A presentation put together, it would. 00:44:01
Also help visualize some of our usage and how it's changed as we've grown. 00:44:04
It's a great idea. 00:44:08
I think that would be helpful. 00:44:09
Because Eric explains some stuff about. 00:44:11
Water usage and how if you say. 00:44:13
Within a certain range. 00:44:15
It saves the city quite a bit of money, which is why we're doing that. 00:44:17
Alternate watering schedule. So I think that would be really helpful for the. 00:44:20
Citizens, you know. 00:44:23
And understand. 00:44:24
Well, and maybe in the same presentation we can talk about our different partners and why we have to make contracts between other 00:44:26
cities for emergency purposes, but what our stability is how much we use. 00:44:31
It's great idea. 00:44:36
Thank you. 00:44:37
OK, so I have a first by Marty. 00:44:38
So I need a second. 00:44:43
Thank you, Sarah. 00:44:44
Any other discussion? 00:44:46
If not, I need a motion. 00:44:49
I mean all in favor. 00:44:50
Aye. 00:44:52
No. 00:44:55
Jake, are you opposed? 00:44:56
All right, that goes to the. 00:45:00
For Water Use and Conservation practices, Ordinance 2025-14 and that's 7.3. 00:45:02
Who is presenting that? 00:45:13
OK, the last one. 00:45:16
So for 7.0 we need a roll call. Marty did the first third of the second. 00:45:18
We'll go ahead and start with Jake. 00:45:22
On approving this. 00:45:25
No bread. 00:45:27
Hi, I'm Marty. 00:45:29
Yes, Sarah, hi. 00:45:31
All right, 7.3. 00:45:33
All righty so. 00:45:42
A little background. 00:45:45
Kind of why we're. 00:45:47
Looking into doing this watering schedule is. 00:45:48
Well, you probably know that Utah is the second driest. 00:45:51
Nation or state In the nation, average is only about 13. 00:45:54
Into the participant. 00:45:58
Precipitation. 00:46:00
July 4th this year. 00:46:02
The state announced that it was the only state. 00:46:05
Statewide in a drought situation. 00:46:09
Over about 60% of our. 00:46:12
Water that we city Jews are. 00:46:15
Outdoor usage. 00:46:18
I did a little rough estimate and I think vineyards pushed a little closer to 70. 00:46:21
From our. 00:46:26
From our non landscape. 00:46:28
Months to when we do landscape. 00:46:31
We're about 70% more usage. 00:46:34
Umm, you know, season, droughts, climate, umm, growing population, all this stuff. Kind of. 00:46:38
Contributes. 00:46:44
The state has gave guidelines. 00:46:45
The Utah Division of Water Resources and the Slow the Flow program. 00:46:48
So they've come out with this, they they see the. 00:46:53
The real urge and need of. 00:46:56
Water conservation. 00:46:59
So. 00:47:01
Water conservation reduces excessive outdoor. 00:47:06
Water use helping extend water supply during drought years. 00:47:09
It encourages residents to. 00:47:14
Water lawns only when needed based on the weather and season. 00:47:16
Infrastructure protection lower peak demands. 00:47:21
So kind of what was explained is. 00:47:25
You know, during. 00:47:27
During the night when everybody's watering high demands. 00:47:28
That makes pumps kick on. 00:47:32
On and off sooner. 00:47:34
Which is. 00:47:35
Power costs strain on the. 00:47:36
And also. 00:47:40
With central Utah, we have peak demands so actually cost us more money when they have to service. 00:47:42
Certain water. 00:47:47
This would kind of put the community as a. 00:47:51
Umm, all in together, work as a team. 00:47:55
You know, there's environmental benefits. 00:47:58
The less runoff means less fertilizers and pesticides getting into our storm drains. 00:48:02
Preserves, local streams, rivers, groundwater levels. 00:48:08
Umm, actually. 00:48:13
Eliminates. 00:48:15
Fungus and. 00:48:17
Stuff with your grass so it's actually healthier for your grass as well. 00:48:19
To reduce them. 00:48:22
Your watering schedule, it's about three days a week. 00:48:23
Umm, the. 00:48:26
There's been several cities that's adopted the state guidelines, West Jordan, Draper, Saint George and. 00:48:31
There's some supporting evidence through some of these cities that's adopted at Saint George is saved. 00:48:38
An estimate of. 00:48:43
1.3 billion gallons annually. 00:48:44
What the three day watering schedule? 00:48:47
Herman's peak demand has dropped 20% after they adopted the three day. 00:48:49
Ordinance. 00:48:55
And West Jordan residents have actually reported. 00:48:57
They feel like their turf is. 00:49:00
Improved in health? 00:49:03
So. 00:49:05
So yeah. 00:49:07
We just. 00:49:08
Feel like it's really important to start following these guidelines, especially the state where they're seeing. 00:49:09
You know the need of this and umm. 00:49:16
There's a lot of websites out there that. 00:49:19
Have information? 00:49:22
And. 00:49:24
And never anything. 00:49:28
Anybody else wants to add? 00:49:30
Do you happen to have the schedule in front of you or? 00:49:32
Yeah, umm. 00:49:35
So, uh. 00:49:36
Kind of what we were proposing is. 00:49:37
If your house is an even address. 00:49:40
That you would water on. 00:49:42
Even day of the month. 00:49:44
Up to three days a week. 00:49:46
That would be in. 00:49:48
Our regular we call it phase one. 00:49:50
We have 3 phases. 00:49:55
Lawn watering. 00:49:58
It's mandatory through all three phases. 00:49:59
Once we get to. 00:50:02
Like phase three, which is severe. 00:50:05
We would drop down to probably one to two days, but. 00:50:08
We're suggesting three days a week. 00:50:12
A lot of questions come out when we. 00:50:16
Asked residents to do this. 00:50:19
We have met with. 00:50:21
City staff and city staff is well on board to make sure that. 00:50:23
City facilities will follow this as well. 00:50:28
And, umm. 00:50:30
Be held as capable as the citizens will open. 00:50:31
So thank you. 00:50:34
I do have a question about this one. 00:50:36
Have you guys reviewed how? 00:50:39
You could trigger water usage during. 00:50:42
Drought seasons where we are. 00:50:46
Implementing it into our current tiered performer. 00:50:49
Where if they're. 00:50:52
We could lower. 00:50:53
Or I guess raise the bar for how much water everybody's using and the tier could shift up. 00:50:55
Rather than implementing a schedule that might be difficult to manage. 00:51:00
Traffic, uh. 00:51:04
Hold people accountable. 00:51:05
Definitely something we could look into. 00:51:08
We just. 00:51:11
We just looked into this case just. 00:51:13
It's easier to. 00:51:16
What's the word am I looking for? 00:51:19
For the system. 00:51:22
The system would run more. 00:51:24
Evenly submittedly instead of. 00:51:25
If we, if we cheer them, I mean, if we. 00:51:28
Did an actual schedule. 00:51:31
And staggered it. 00:51:33
Can I ask something? 00:51:35
I've noticed most people when they water their lawns, they don't. 00:51:37
The box doesn't typically say. 00:51:41
You can go every other day, but I think that will actually cause people to water more. 00:51:43
Typically most people water like Monday, Wednesday, Friday. 00:51:48
Or Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday. Like you first. 00:51:51
Like we first shared on social media. 00:51:54
Is there a reason why you guys felt like changing to the even and odd? 00:51:56
We did a little bit of research. Several cities did it that way. I think it was just easier for home. 00:52:03
Homeowners, too. 00:52:10
Match the day, even day. 00:52:13
But uh. 00:52:15
Yeah, like I said, we. 00:52:16
I think. 00:52:17
I think we're open to anything to. 00:52:19
Try to push this along. 00:52:21
But that that is a good comment as far as the sprinkler. 00:52:23
So it would be easier on a. 00:52:27
By weekday, my question was going to be how many residents have we actually talked to you? I know you were. 00:52:29
We'll talk about your research, and I mean I. 00:52:35
I'm I'm personally on board with the idea of restrictions because of. 00:52:37
Where we're. 00:52:42
Where we live. 00:52:42
I am really worried about making sure that we don't cause an uproar. 00:52:46
And that people are bought in. 00:52:51
For the right reasons, not just for. 00:52:52
Enforcement. 00:52:55
My recommendation to the Council would be that we. 00:52:57
Look into the tiered structure where we trigger it. 00:53:01
I think that education is already out there. 00:53:04
And it could be built into the system that we already have. 00:53:06
If not. 00:53:11
That maybe we do additional. 00:53:12
Maybe we do additional? 00:53:14
Research into different types of schedules and what that would look like for people. That was one of your things. I don't know if. 00:53:16
Umm, you want to? 00:53:23
Put out a survey at this point. 00:53:25
Yeah, I would be very interested in what our community actually thinks about this. 00:53:28
I'm genuinely curious if people think that this is a problem or not. 00:53:34
I would hope that they do, but I. 00:53:39
I don't know what they do. 00:53:41
Do you have any comments on any of that or? 00:53:42
Is that no, yeah, for a question. Maybe we can get that more information out. Like you said, it's it's pretty. 00:53:45
Astounding. 00:53:51
Like I mentioned. 00:53:53
Our our last month July. 00:53:54
Umm, we used 404. 00:53:59
Acre feet, which I think is a little over. 00:54:02
What is it like 136? 00:54:05
1,000,000 gallons. 00:54:07
When in months that non use were. 00:54:09
About 30 million gallons so. 00:54:12
It is. 00:54:15
Astounding how much outdoor use were. 00:54:17
We're using and the 1.3 billions in savings is. 00:54:20
That's amazing. I think if we put that information out there, if we did want to do a survey, I'm OK. If you guys want to do a 00:54:23
survey, I think that'd be helpful. 00:54:27
But also if. 00:54:31
If we research. 00:54:32
What does that look like in the tiered program that our residents have been using now for several years? 00:54:34
If that was just implemented and it was like oh. 00:54:39
It's been announced that we have. 00:54:42
A need to conserve water. 00:54:45
Tiered structure shift and everybody knows that usage so that. 00:54:46
People maybe. Maybe you. 00:54:51
People that are doing Monday, Wednesday, Friday. 00:54:52
Maybe some people are only doing. 00:54:55
Every now and then. 00:54:57
They will instantly know when their bill goes up. 00:54:58
Hey, you've kind of overused. 00:55:00
And not only. 00:55:03
The water usage if our water usage keeps going up, talking about trying to keep it down. 00:55:05
That means. 00:55:10
Our booster station. 00:55:11
Tank will probably be upgraded sooner than later. 00:55:12
It was built. 00:55:16
Ready to upgrade? 00:55:17
But the cost of putting those bigger pumps and stuff in. 00:55:19
Would probably come a lot sooner than. 00:55:22
And needed, so there's a. 00:55:24
Pretty hefty cost with that as well. 00:55:26
So. 00:55:28
Can I? Did you guys have additional comments? 00:55:30
Well, our contract is set up so that we either use it or lose it like we buy a certain amount, right? Like 2500? 00:55:33
Foot, uh, acre foot, right. 00:55:41
And we use like 22 or 2300 acre foot. So we never get to that, but we pay, we pay the higher amount. 00:55:44
We've never got to it right. 00:55:51
We would only pay up to the. 00:55:54
2400 mark this year. 00:55:57
It's the tweak that you've ever reached. 00:55:59
So that's the take and pay model is that. 00:56:02
If our highest year ever was. 00:56:06
24101. 00:56:08
We would be. 00:56:10
Flipping into that 2500 acre a year mark. 00:56:11
But if we've never breached 2400? 00:56:14
We stay in that 2400 and if we're growing. 00:56:17
We have the opportunity to stay below that. 00:56:20
What, what, what is What was our this year's use? 00:56:23
Just last month or? 00:56:27
No total that we're up to right now in contract. 00:56:28
Umm, so our contracts. 00:56:32
July to June so. 00:56:35
Right. So our only use last year though as far as our. 00:56:37
Numbers. I think we were. 00:56:41
I think we paid for a little over. 00:56:46
Extra 100 acre feet. 00:56:48
But with that being said, they do have a percentage we can roll over, right. So we actually was able to roll over 55 acre feet. 00:56:50
Right, 'cause we don't go over. 00:56:59
You know, because we're growing rather than just having our. 00:57:01
What, are you still like that? 00:57:04
We can. We can temper that. 00:57:06
That total amount used each year. 00:57:08
Through conservation practices. 00:57:11
Through, you know. 00:57:14
Plans like this where we keep the overall water usage. 00:57:16
Lower than it. 00:57:19
Would be with existing practices. 00:57:20
You know if if we've got. 00:57:23
A portion of the city watering every single day. 00:57:25
Hoping their grass will get a little bit greener. 00:57:27
You know, just some education and letting them know that. 00:57:30
You know the healthiest lawn is every other day, Water not. 00:57:33
Not everyday watered, we can keep our total use. 00:57:37
Down. 00:57:40
And overtime. 00:57:41
Only have to jump into those next brackets of. 00:57:44
Annual use that we have to pay for. 00:57:48
You know, slower than we might otherwise do. 00:57:50
So there's great value in. 00:57:53
In yeah, my my concern is is that I know we've never. 00:57:54
Like exceeded it. 00:57:59
Or for most years, we don't. 00:58:00
And having lived here. 00:58:02
I do want to disclose. 00:58:04
My lawn is on a well and very unique so this doesn't. 00:58:06
This doesn't affect me in my home so. 00:58:09
If they want to text down that one. 00:58:12
But the home I live? 00:58:14
But. 00:58:17
For those that. 00:58:18
Do my concern is that we have a smart. 00:58:19
Metering program. 00:58:22
Are we going to use that to identify those that use the law? 00:58:23
Of water. 00:58:26
So I mean, if people get set up, they're. 00:58:28
They're aware of. 00:58:31
High usage or a leak? 00:58:32
So would we shut them down or charge them more? 00:58:34
Like forcefully like hey, you're using more water. So now we're going to charge you more. So in our, in our fee schedule, there is 00:58:37
a tiered level. 00:58:41
So if they if they do use more water landscaping together, there's gonna be a lot. 00:58:45
But on certain days like if they don't follow the fee structure of those days. 00:58:49
So hey, this isn't your day, so we're charging you more now. 00:58:54
So it would be. 00:58:57
What we proposed is. 00:59:02
You know there's. 00:59:03
There's a warning and a fine and. 00:59:04
That we put in here. 00:59:09
Follows the free skid. 00:59:10
The schedule that's already been. 00:59:12
So the first violation would be. 00:59:14
You know, it could be up to $100. 00:59:17
Most likely be more of a warning. 00:59:19
For unsust water on a Tuesday, I have water on a Wednesday. 00:59:21
I'm gonna get a warning saying you can't walk, you shouldn't water. 00:59:25
Yeah, just adjust your, adjust your days. 00:59:28
And if we vote, this is. 00:59:31
This would go into effect when. 00:59:33
It would go into effect right away that. 00:59:35
Just just sort of as a. 00:59:40
Just so that you know. 00:59:43
This would be based on. 00:59:45
Complaints that come in. 00:59:47
So if somebody. 00:59:49
Sees their, you know, someone watering every single day and all through the day. 00:59:50
They might call it in. 00:59:54
We'd go out and check it out. 00:59:56
Talk with that individual. 00:59:57
It is not going to be something that's going to flag to us. 00:59:59
Based on their water meter usage or their. 01:00:02
Or a spike in their water meter on a particular day. It's. 01:00:05
Not at all. 01:00:08
Automated system in that regard. 01:00:09
It's getting the community to come together. 01:00:11
And divide up their water use so that we're keeping. 01:00:15
You know, yeah. And this is This is why my commentary, I really felt like. 01:00:19
The enforcement and education would be difficult on this because when things are left to complaint. 01:00:25
It just becomes an uneven. 01:00:30
Opportunity of. 01:00:33
This neighbor really cares and they're telling on that neighbor but like. 01:00:36
Half a vineyard is still watering and so it becomes really complicated. I think the suggestions that we had to go back. 01:00:40
And revisit this would be really good. 01:00:48
Right now we have it as a recommendation that I think that's really helpful. But even if the survey. 01:00:52
Was more education on why we're doing it and what we could save, to Darius points. 01:00:57
On staying underneath. 01:01:02
Like Eric said. 01:01:04
That amount? 01:01:06
So that it doesn't become an additional cost to the people. 01:01:07
When you were asking about subsidies versus credit back? 01:01:10
I think that's really meaningful to the community, and the community would really care, especially if they understood. 01:01:15
That aspect of our water. 01:01:20
Consumption. 01:01:22
But I do think this. 01:01:24
Needs more work. 01:01:26
For us to. 01:01:28
Review SO. 01:01:29
Yeah, I'm sure if you have anything additional. 01:01:31
Yeah, I would. Just never. I'm all for water conservation. 01:01:33
Umm, you know I checked my well level. 01:01:37
A few days ago and I was surprised at how high the water is and also how much. I mean, I think they just opened up the lake a 01:01:40
couple of days ago. I don't know if you saw how that. 01:01:44
Like, it's just dropping like a rock right now because they're trying to get water into the Great Salt Lake. But. 01:01:49
I can understand communities like Saint George where they're more of a desert. 01:01:55
You know, not in the basin like we're at, but like I don't think we're at the point where we need to be mandating. 01:01:58
Or controlling citizens because. 01:02:03
If we've paid and our citizens have paid for the 2500 acre feet and we. 01:02:05
Roughly around 2300 acre feet. They've paid for this water. 01:02:10
And I don't want to. 01:02:14
Have a government obligating them to say what they can and cannot do. 01:02:14
Some people believe in everyday water and every other day watering and that's what they purchased and that's the. 01:02:18
Service that we're providing them and like I said it's an educational deal because we yeah educate them and like. 01:02:24
Get them to be pro conservation and. 01:02:30
I mean, I'm a conservationist on my water too, but. 01:02:32
I don't want to force them. 01:02:35
Alright, so this this block of water we buy, we have to pay for a. 01:02:36
Up front so. 01:02:40
It would be a lot easier for us to trend and know how much water we do have to take. 01:02:42
Because if we get into the. 01:02:46
Say the. 01:02:48
2026 We run out of water, we run our water. 01:02:49
Because there's no conservation. 01:02:52
So it's us as. 01:02:54
A city trying to be. 01:02:57
Guess right now. 01:02:59
On how much water going to be used. 01:03:01
If we can conserve. 01:03:03
And get more of a steady data. 01:03:04
Of how much water? 01:03:06
Are going to use that we. 01:03:08
Yeah, I think that's really helpful. 01:03:10
Sir, did you have any comments? Otherwise, I think we have the ability to make a motion to continue this at this point. 01:03:12
Well, yeah, we talked about. 01:03:18
How to educate people? 01:03:20
In their homes, the fastest way to do it and we talked about. 01:03:21
Bringing out all of these. 01:03:26
Points in their water bill. 01:03:27
You know, even if you even if you give them some really. 01:03:29
Give people some really specific education points. 01:03:32
I think you'd get a lot of people on board. 01:03:36
You know that their water. 01:03:38
There that watering glass is healthier or for their. 01:03:39
Lawn and it helps the city. I think there's just a lot of really good solid common sense points that you could put in their water 01:03:43
bill so they see it right away and. 01:03:46
I think you'd be surprised how many people would be on board and cooperating. 01:03:51
Right. Is that a motion to continue it? 01:03:55
To another a future date. 01:03:58
OK, why don't instead of making a motion, why don't we? 01:04:01
Umm, talk about. 01:04:05
Doing more media about conservation like willingly and putting in. 01:04:08
Place and educating about what days we recommend that they water and see how many will. 01:04:13
Voluntarily. 01:04:18
Do that and adapt the change. 01:04:19
Just as a voluntary method. 01:04:22
I know I would, and I know many citizens would. 01:04:25
Probably do it in a voluntary. 01:04:28
Way and we could hit it really hard. 01:04:30
Through social media and others. 01:04:32
And then after a six month or a year. 01:04:34
Because this year we're not gonna have a. 01:04:36
A problem with water. The water is pretty close to an end. You know the harvest is done. 01:04:38
So we've got. 01:04:43
Really good water this year but. 01:04:45
And then and then. 01:04:47
Looking at it next year, look at what OK, how much an effect that a voluntary system. 01:04:48
Or project do. 01:04:53
And maybe even put in some sort of. 01:04:55
Prize for. 01:04:57
You know, those that consumed less water throughout the year. 01:05:00
And throwing a party. 01:05:03
Of some sort because I. 01:05:05
You get a lot more from honey than. 01:05:06
Vinegar. 01:05:08
So that. 01:05:09
Thank you for that comment. That is the approach that they've been taking right now is through social media and outreach. 01:05:10
I think what we're suggesting right now is that they go back and they review how education would go out, how surveys would go out, 01:05:17
maybe additional types of a way to approach the situation that's different than the one that was presented. 01:05:23
And I guess the reason why we're saying continue it and bring it back is for the opportunity to. 01:05:30
Present that education. 01:05:36
Information that survey. 01:05:38
Those different changes back before the Council so that we can discuss it and maybe at that time also we can. 01:05:40
Bring back the information that we put out to social media already and how we've been working about the. 01:05:46
Those things to for the last several years. 01:05:52
And and what that's looked like. 01:05:54
So I would still, I still think. 01:05:57
If you guys just want to say. 01:05:59
Come back at some future date. 01:06:01
We can, but I think we're we're on track with what you said. 01:06:03
Already I also think that this is an opportunity. 01:06:07
Not just for the application, but for that. 01:06:10
Usage report that. 01:06:12
That I was suggesting earlier that I think these two things could be combined. 01:06:13
To help educate not just the community, but. 01:06:19
But all of us have. 01:06:22
Hear about how we're trending. 01:06:23
Yeah. And I feel like you guys have the guidance that you need. 01:06:25
For that right? 01:06:28
Or you you feel like you have that. 01:06:29
So were you in the middle of making a motion to continue it? 01:06:32
You did. 01:06:37
I'm gonna keep moving forward with that. 01:06:38
With all of that, knowing that everybody got what they wanted out of. 01:06:40
That can I get a second? 01:06:45
Second, OK. 01:06:47
All in favor. 01:06:49
Aye, any opposed? 01:06:50
All right 7.4 Municipal Code Amendment, Section 13. 01:06:52
.16 Public Library Ordinance 2025-10 is asked to be postponed. There's some work to do with the library board, so I just need a 01:06:57
motion to continue this item. 01:07:02
I move to continue 7.4. 01:07:07
To a future meeting. Thank you, Marty. Can I get a second? 01:07:10
2nd thank you Sarah. All in favor. 01:07:14
Aye aye. Any opposed? 01:07:17
All right. Eric, did you have anything pressing for a report? 01:07:19
Nothing pressing. 01:07:26
You'll find the. 01:07:27
The monthly report attached to the agenda. 01:07:29
For today. 01:07:32
There's lots of fun updates but. 01:07:35
But we could hold it because if you have something fun. 01:07:37
Sure, I don't know how to like. 01:07:39
Parse it, but let me run through it quick. 01:07:42
OK, while you're doing that, I'm going to turn the time over to the City Council. 01:07:44
Is there anything pressing that any City Council member would like to share? 01:07:48
Sarah, do you have anything? I'm just going to go through all of you. 01:07:54
No, not at this time. 01:07:58
By all means. 01:08:01
OK, well I just want to address. 01:08:05
Public comment where I. 01:08:07
I was I'll just. 01:08:10
I'll just own it that I accused some, that I called somebody a liar. 01:08:11
I never actually called you a liar. 01:08:15
But I corrected you multiple times on social media. 01:08:17
And you continue to spread the same misinformation. 01:08:20
So I didn't call you a liar. 01:08:23
I started to say what you were spreading was a lie. 01:08:25
So I just want to clarify that. 01:08:28
For the record. 01:08:30
And if you want to have a conversation after council, I'm happy to do that. 01:08:31
On the is that. 01:08:35
On the liar side. 01:08:36
The movie in the park was really cool. 01:08:38
And I just wanted to acknowledge that. 01:08:40
For doing that, I think that's a really special feature that cities put on and. 01:08:43
I think. 01:08:47
I think Vineyard is a pretty special place so. 01:08:48
All right. Thank you, Jake. 01:08:51
Yeah, I I actually agree with the citizen that they're not lying and that they're telling the truth on the City Hall. 01:08:58
I've seen many cities over my 20 years that asked for bonding and asked for wiggle room. 01:09:04
And once you give them a credit card, they can. 01:09:10
Use it for a building and then use the remaining for a truck or for different different things that fit within the definition of 01:09:13
it. I know Vineyard's done that with our bonding and water of. 01:09:18
Saying we're doing this and then. 01:09:23
When you have some access and I think if you look at. 01:09:24
The referendum sponsors and I've met with them. 01:09:28
Their concern was the credit card of 35,000,000 with the. 01:09:31
Interest of 46,000,000 SO. 01:09:35
It's just a difference of. 01:09:37
Of opinion there. 01:09:40
On that. 01:09:41
And then I would like to address the. 01:09:43
Actually I don't want to address the fake accounts. 01:09:50
OK, Brett. 01:09:54
Nothing at this time. 01:09:56
Marty. 01:09:58
I'm good today. 01:09:59
OK. Just for clarity, I think it's important to remember that there was. 01:10:00
A revolt on a bond. 01:10:07
A stipulation vote that brought us to Mary and a no vote. 01:10:09
On the financial? 01:10:13
Tool and mechanism. 01:10:15
So I think that's an important clarity. 01:10:17
That all the residents. 01:10:20
Need and can benefit from. 01:10:22
That brings us. 01:10:24
To Eric's really fun updates. 01:10:25
OK, I've I've trimmed it down. 01:10:27
Events that we have coming up. 01:10:31
We secured A sponsorship from Utah City for the 9/11. 01:10:35
911 Patriot Day event. 01:10:38
I were working with the Refuge to finalize plans for the Purple Ribbon Walk event in on October 2nd. 01:10:40
We have Alex Foyer committed to coming to perform. 01:10:47
Form at that event. 01:10:50
We for our 911 day of service we've got 2 days of service events. 01:10:52
Those are planned for September 6th and September 13th. 01:10:56
We hosted. 01:11:02
Another successful movie in the park. 01:11:03
On July 28th. 01:11:05
So some fun events that have just happened and some really great ones in the future here coming up soon. 01:11:06
And then I also wanted to mention that we have. 01:11:13
7 new businesses in the city. 01:11:15
That seems to be something of interest to all. 01:11:18
We had. 01:11:21
Neutral cost manufacturing. 01:11:22
Priscilla Borges, Tesoro Furniture, LLC. 01:11:24
Sycamore Lane Learning. 01:11:29
Innovations. 01:11:31
Burger King. 01:11:33
Crafted design. 01:11:34
Orion's Edge and. 01:11:36
Celius. 01:11:38
And I'll just leave it with that. 01:11:40
OK, excellent. Thank you for sharing that. 01:11:41
I'm going to turn this time over to our recorders to just give an update on what happens next with the primary just for the 01:11:45
public. 01:11:48
To better understand next steps. 01:11:51
Oh, sorry. 01:11:57
Thank you, Mayor. 01:11:58
Council, I'm not giving up that an election is one of my favorite parts of my job. So the the primary might be over and the 01:11:59
results might be out, but they are preliminary results. 01:12:04
And I just got an updated e-mail from. 01:12:10
The county there's still about 20,000 ballots that haven't been counted yet. 01:12:13
So. 01:12:18
Dates done on. 01:12:20
Friday at 5:00, next Tuesday and next Friday at 5:00 and then at noon. 01:12:23
On the 26th. 01:12:27
And on the 26th is when? 01:12:28
The Council will convene and. 01:12:31
Set of the canvassing board and canvas. Bad election. 01:12:33
Then the 6th top rope getters will move on to the primary election. 01:12:36
And which will be? 01:12:41
I always get that wrong. November 4th. 01:12:42
Tony will correct me. 01:12:45
So. 01:12:47
So I always, always say to the candidates. 01:12:49
Happy campaigning. Excellent. 01:12:52
That reminds me because we'll be meeting on the 26th of. 01:12:54
Canvassing that is not. 01:12:58
We're gonna. It's Tuesday. Yeah. 01:13:00
Correct. Yep. So we will not be holding a City Council meeting on Wednesday. We will be holding it on Tuesday so we can wrap up 01:13:02
all our eyes so that we just have to have one meeting. So that'll help. Is there anything anybody wants to know? Any other 01:13:07
information you'd like to know about the election? 01:13:11
I don't think so. 01:13:16
OK. Thank you. 01:13:18
All right, that moves. 01:13:19
To our first business item 9.1. This is a public hearing. 01:13:20
The Tacker Bonds for Franklin. Discovery Academy Resolution 2025-44. 01:13:24
Victoria Carlton will present this item. 01:13:30
And what I'll do is I'll have a motion go right into a public hearing. 01:13:34
For the residents. 01:13:40
Can I get a motion for a public hearing? 01:13:42
So moved. Thank you, Brett. Can I get a second? 01:13:43
2nd Thank you Sir, all in favor. 01:13:47
Aye, aye. 01:13:50
Alright, we are. 01:13:52
Now in the public hearing, come on up and. 01:13:54
Kind of explain what's going on and then dive right in. 01:13:56
Yes, my name is Jacob Carlton. I'm with Gilmore and Bell. 01:13:59
So Franklin Discovery Academy, which is located here in Lanyard City. 01:14:03
Is looking to do a tax exempt bond financing for an expansion to their existing. 01:14:08
Charter school facilities. 01:14:14
And the bonds would be issued through the Arizona Industrial Development Authority. 01:14:16
Which means that the city would not be the issue where the bond would not be liable in any way. 01:14:22
For the repayment of the bonds that would be sliced solely with the school. 01:14:28
But since these are being issued as tax exempt bonds, the federal tax code requires that the. 01:14:33
Local jurisdiction in which the project is located Approve. 01:14:38
The project. 01:14:42
And so that's why we're here tonight. We do have. 01:14:43
I think a couple of representatives from the school here as well in case anyone has any questions. 01:14:46
Specifically about the project itself. 01:14:51
Excellent. 01:14:54
Hey, are there any questions from the public? 01:14:55
OK, any. 01:15:00
From anybody at Franklin. 01:15:02
You'd like to say anything? 01:15:05
All right. 01:15:08
If not, I'll go ahead and close the public hearing. 01:15:10
Need a motion? 01:15:13
Thank you, Sarah. 01:15:17
Can I get a second second? 01:15:19
Second by Marty, all in favor. 01:15:20
Aye, all right. Are there any questions from the Council? 01:15:23
Oh, I need to do that by roll call. 01:15:28
Jake. 01:15:30
Oh, I got. 01:15:34
Just kidding, OK? 01:15:35
Any questions from the Council? 01:15:37
So if you guys, I mean, I know the. 01:15:41
Your public entity you have to disclose how you pay for the bonds. I guess you don't need to do. 01:15:44
And if you default, we're not. 01:15:50
Rival, right? 01:15:52
That's correct. So the school. 01:15:54
The payment of the bonds is. I mean that. 01:15:56
Facilities themselves are pledged. 01:15:58
Facilities and then also the state payments, the charter score receives reflections, the payment of the bond. So if there's a 01:16:00
default. 01:16:03
In the school is unable to pay, the city is in no way liable for repayment of the bonds. So we're literally just voting to say can 01:16:06
they be tax exempt on that specific. 01:16:12
I don't count. 01:16:18
OK, great. So do you want to make a motion or are there any other? 01:16:22
Questions for clarity before that. 01:16:25
No, go ahead, Jake. 01:16:28
Umm, I make I move. 01:16:31
To approve, let's see where we are at. 01:16:33
I moved to adopt Resolution 2544 approving the issuance of charter school revenue bonds by the American by the Arizona Industrial. 01:16:37
Development Authority. 01:16:46
Excellent. Can I get a second? 01:16:47
2nd. 01:16:50
First by Jake, second by Brat. 01:16:51
Any further discussion? 01:16:53
All right. So that's done by roll call. 01:16:55
Marty. 01:16:58
Hi, I bet. 01:16:59
Aye. 01:17:01
Excellent. 01:17:03
All right, 9.2 is the transportation Master plan and impact fee public hearing. This was postponed from the June 20. 01:17:04
5th 2025 City Council meeting and is asked to be moved to the September 10th. 01:17:12
2025. 01:17:17
City Council meeting, Can I get a motion? 01:17:19
So moved. 01:17:23
Thank you. I have a first by Brett to move the meeting. Can I get a second? 01:17:23
Second. Second by Marty. 01:17:27
All in favor. 01:17:30
Do I have to do roll call on that? No. 01:17:32
On favor. 01:17:33
Any opposed? 01:17:35
All right, 9.3. 01:17:37
This is the authorizing bid award for Independent Financial Audit and Internal Controls Review Resolution 2025 Dash 41 and I'll 01:17:40
turn the time over to. 01:17:45
Councilmember Class. 01:17:50
Thank you. 01:17:52
Mayor umm. 01:17:53
I think ultimately we're I'd like to. 01:17:55
To move this. 01:17:57
Primarily, we have. 01:17:59
Proposal we had. 01:18:01
Convened our evaluation committee. 01:18:04
One of the steps that we wanted to follow in our evaluation was to have essentially a. 01:18:07
An interview with a couple of the. 01:18:12
Committee members for the evaluation. 01:18:16
With the the. 01:18:19
The proposing entity. 01:18:22
And we were hopeful that we'd be able to get that done today. 01:18:23
Earlier today. 01:18:28
But we were unable to get that scheduled until tomorrow. 01:18:30
So I think that we should wait on this until we've been able to have that to make sure that we. 01:18:33
Are checking all of all of the boxes and evaluating. 01:18:39
The the proposal. 01:18:43
Excellent. Which brings us right to Darius question. And she asked a question about me talking about removing the resolution from 01:18:45
the agenda. We had talked about the desire to have the RFP reviewed by the City Council and really look through that. 01:18:52
And she mentioned that I had striked the asked to have the resolution strike from it to turn this over to the City Council for 01:18:58
review. 01:19:02
And to make sure that we had enough time. 01:19:05
Think it was really good process, the RFP went out, but some of the reviews that are happening tomorrow like Brett said. So it'll 01:19:07
come back in a future meeting and hopefully everybody. 01:19:12
We'll take the time to really understand and get to know it by that point. 01:19:16
So with that I need a motion to. 01:19:20
Move it to a future council meeting. 01:19:22
I moved to. 01:19:26
I make a motion to move. 01:19:28
This discussion do I have to say the? 01:19:32
Resolution 2025-41 to a future meeting. 01:19:34
All right. We have a first by Brett. Can I get a second? 01:19:38
2nd is that you, Marty? Second by Marty, first by about, second by Marty. All in favor. 01:19:41
Aye, aye. 01:19:46
Any opposed? 01:19:47
Jake, did you say aye, I'm sorry. 01:19:49
OK, great. Thank you. 01:19:51
This brings us to 9.4. This is the government records. 01:19:52
Access Management Act discussions requested by City Council meeting and so today we will. 01:19:56
Proceed with that discussion. I'm going to turn the time over to. 01:20:02
Our legal counsel. 01:20:06
Jamie Blakely. 01:20:08
Yes, please. Thank you. 01:20:31
Thank you, Mayor. 01:20:51
The city recorder right now is passing out. 01:20:54
Stack of information. 01:20:57
During. 01:20:59
The Council report in the last. 01:21:00
City Council meeting. 01:21:02
Council member Holdaway raised some. 01:21:04
Concerns and issues with a grammar request that related to records in his possession. 01:21:06
And the mayor asked me to go through. 01:21:13
The materials. 01:21:16
That were related to that and then to. 01:21:17
Present a summary. 01:21:20
And kind of a status report. 01:21:22
On that grammar request in that response. 01:21:24
So what you have in front of you is. 01:21:26
The document on the top of the timeline. 01:21:29
That includes the date of certain correspondence and communication. 01:21:33
And then the stack of documents behind it. 01:21:37
Is. 01:21:40
And so if you look in the corner of each document, it will have a number. 01:21:41
It'll say Vineyard City 0067, for example. 01:21:46
And when you look at the timeline on the column on the left it. 01:21:50
Will tell you the bait stamp reference. 01:21:54
I'm not going to go through this stack of documents, but it's there so you have it. 01:21:57
And can reference. 01:22:01
What occurred and then reference the original source document. 01:22:03
On each of those items. 01:22:06
So I want to go through. 01:22:08
4 primary things today the roles and responsibilities and processes the city follows on. 01:22:10
Grammar and records requests when I say grandma. 01:22:16
I'm not referring to a relative, but to. 01:22:20
Government records law. 01:22:22
That applies in Utah. 01:22:25
I'm going to go through the timeline of the request, the response of what was requested, what was provided, how did the city 01:22:28
respond? 01:22:31
The status of the responsive records presently and then. 01:22:35
There is an appeal process within the statute within grandma. 01:22:39
And uh. 01:22:43
I just want to highlight the. 01:22:44
That appeals process what it is and. 01:22:46
And what we have to do to respect that process and those rights. 01:22:49
So in terms of roles and responsibilities, these are the primary actors when we. 01:22:53
Talk about a grammar request and who reviews it. 01:22:58
There is a requester. In this case it's a Mr. Jensen. 01:23:02
There's the records officer. In our city, we have two records officers. It's the city recorder and the deputy city recorder. 01:23:06
That ends up being Pam Spencer and Tony Lara. 01:23:12
The individual who has the. 01:23:15
Response The records that are responsive to the request. 01:23:18
This can vary request by request, but on this particular request it's council member Holdaway. 01:23:21
The chief administrative officer in the city is Eric Ellis. 01:23:27
That's the person that. 01:23:30
Here's an administrative appeal of a grandma denial. 01:23:32
And then there's the state records on both women. 01:23:36
Her name is Monica Minaya. 01:23:40
To go through quickly kind of the. 01:23:43
The requester makes grandma requests. 01:23:45
The requester defines the format in which they would like the rooster. 01:23:48
The requested records to be provided. 01:23:52
And in this case, they've requested the records in the original format. 01:23:56
The Records officer has the role of. 01:24:00
Responding to grammar requests. 01:24:03
So they. 01:24:06
Organize the gathering of the responsive records. 01:24:07
And then they have the statutory duty to review the records once they're gathered. 01:24:11
Classify the records and then in those circumstances where you have to redact. 01:24:16
The portions of records that are classified as private protected. 01:24:21
Or control. 01:24:27
That they would make those types of redactions. 01:24:28
And they make the initial determination on. 01:24:31
What records are responsive and then what records? 01:24:34
Are provided. 01:24:37
The individual city officer or employee who has the records is responsible for. 01:24:38
Helping to gather those records and then provide them to the records officer. 01:24:46
And the records officer always asked for those records in the format of the request. 01:24:50
In this case, the request was to get the records in the original format. 01:24:55
And then again, if there's an appeal, it would be to the chief. 01:25:00
Administrative Officer. 01:25:02
There is a State Records office and within the State Records office the State Records Ombudsman. 01:25:04
Her rules by statute are threefold. 01:25:11
A sheep can be a resource to requestors and a request. 01:25:14
Resource to those who are responding to a request. 01:25:18
When there's an appeal of. 01:25:22
A final administrative decision, meaning. 01:25:24
There's been an appeal to the chief administrative officer within the city. 01:25:26
To It used to be the state records committee. It just recently changed to a state. 01:25:31
Records Hearing Officer. 01:25:35
So if there is an appeal to the hearing officer there. 01:25:38
Between before that appeal is heard, there's a mediation process that's offered in the ombudsman. 01:25:41
Overseas that mediation process. 01:25:47
There is. 01:25:50
A language in the statute that prohibits the. 01:25:51
State records ombudsman from going on record or testifying. 01:25:54
For or against somebody that she either provides advice to or. 01:25:59
A mediation that she conducts. So her role is limited a little bit again. 01:26:04
That she provides that guidance and that advice. 01:26:09
She provides that mediation services, but she's not someone who. 01:26:12
Take sides or call shots, so to speak. 01:26:17
On grandma matters. 01:26:20
How does? 01:26:22
Vineyard City. 01:26:23
What is its process for gathering and reviewing records so? 01:26:25
When the city recorder received a record request. 01:26:29
What she does is works with the requester to clarify the request and to clarify the search parameters that she'll follow. 01:26:32
Sometimes she will get requests that are either really broad, really detailed. 01:26:39
And might follow up with the requester to say if we search these databases or these e-mail addresses. 01:26:44
Using these search terms will that satisfy your request. 01:26:51
And work with the requester to identify what those are and then to conduct the search in that way. 01:26:55
C then will work to pull the records if she has direct access to the records. 01:27:01
If she doesn't have direct access to the records, then she'll ask. 01:27:06
4 copies of the records from whoever it is. 01:27:11
That has those records. 01:27:14
So an example. 01:27:16
Some city employees may have cell phones. 01:27:17
Or use personal phones to conduct city business. 01:27:20
Text messages are not stored on a. 01:27:24
Central database and so if you had a records request that was for a text message. 01:27:26
Pam would have to go to the individual that has that device. 01:27:31
Work to search their messages and then to take screenshots and gather the records from that source. 01:27:35
Sometimes a similar thing will happen with emails or e-mail records. 01:27:41
Or with other records that might be located on an individual device, not a central location or file. 01:27:44
To which she can access it directly. 01:27:51
When the records officer gets request. 01:27:54
That relate to controversial or notable topics. 01:27:57
The city's practice for at least the entire time that I've been the city attorney and I think before that. 01:28:01
Even is for searches to be witnessed or observed. 01:28:06
What this means is. 01:28:10
The records officer will ask the person gathering the records to have somebody sit with. 01:28:12
And to conduct those searches. So we have in the past, for example. 01:28:18
Records request for. 01:28:22
Records in the mayor's e-mail. 01:28:24
Or the mayor's text messages. And so we would have. 01:28:26
Either an administrative assistant or the city reporter, whoever was available. 01:28:29
Sit with the mayor. 01:28:34
And conduct that search so that. 01:28:36
If we're questioned about it, we have not just the mayor who can answer and say I did a search, but somebody else who can say. 01:28:38
I observed and I witnessed. 01:28:45
That search there the. 01:28:46
Records Officer uses her discretion to determine what our. 01:28:50
Those controversial or notable topics for which. 01:28:54
You want to have somebody else there? 01:28:58
With the search. 01:29:00
That's proven a good and a useful practice, and when we've had things going uphill to the records committee, we've been able to 01:29:01
justify the search. 01:29:05
And state with certainty with two witnesses that it's been a full. 01:29:09
Search of the records. 01:29:14
And again, the city recorder is the records officer. 01:29:15
By law and as such, she has the statutory responsibility for revealing. 01:29:19
And classifying records and for defining the process by which. 01:29:24
The city conducts its search of records. 01:29:28
Turning to the. 01:29:32
The actual request that was the subject of the conversation. 01:29:34
This is what was requested. 01:29:38
They are records related to. 01:29:40
Communication between Councilmember Jacob Holdaway and. 01:29:43
A reporter at the Salt Lake Review named Leah Larson. 01:29:47
They gave a date range. 01:29:51
They give a scope of what was requested. The scope included emails. 01:29:52
Internal correspondence communication allows text messages. 01:29:57
And it. 01:30:02
Went on to define. 01:30:03
What it meant by? 01:30:05
Records to include all types of records, not. 01:30:07
Adjust these things. 01:30:10
They expressed A preferred format which was electronic format, so they wanted their PDF or a native file format. 01:30:12
If that were easier. 01:30:18
So here I put together a little timeline of events. This again, is a summary. It's not intended to be comprehensive, it's just 01:30:22
intended to give a snapshot of. 01:30:26
When the request was received, what happened to it? 01:30:30
What kind of the basic communication was? 01:30:35
So May 30th was when the grammar request was received on the same day. 01:30:39
The city Recorder's Office forwarded the request to Councilmember Holloway. 01:30:44
With the request that he gathered the responsive records that are in his possession. 01:30:49
On June 10th. 01:30:54
The city recorder sent a reminder e-mail the council member Holdaway asking him to provide those responsive records. 01:30:56
On June 11th, Council Member Holdaway sent a PDF with some of the responsive records. 01:31:02
And the City of Recorder began her review. 01:31:08
The deadline for the response is 10 business days from the date the request is received. 01:31:11
10 business days from May 30th. 01:31:16
Ended up being June 13th. 01:31:19
On the calendar. 01:31:21
Because that was the deadline. 01:31:23
There's an option to extend if needed, and so the city recorder. 01:31:25
Sent an e-mail to the requester. 01:31:29
Indicating. 01:31:32
That the city would need an extension on that time. 01:31:34
On June 18th. 01:31:37
Pam Spencer requested records. 01:31:39
In the original. 01:31:41
Original format from Councilmember Holloway. 01:31:42
He had provided some records and she had questions about whether. 01:31:45
Those records had been. 01:31:51
Compiled or modified in their format. 01:31:52
And Council member Holdaway clarified that one of the things he. 01:31:55
Provided was a presentation format. 01:31:59
And that's what he had provided to the report. 01:32:02
Quarter and so it had appeared in that presentation like there was some. 01:32:05
Editorializing or. 01:32:09
Comments or labels put over. 01:32:11
Emails, but you clarified at that point that. 01:32:13
That was the format in which he shared those materials with. 01:32:16
Order and so I think that's the format. 01:32:19
We've learned that. 01:32:22
The original format that those documents were in when they were shared. 01:32:23
He had not provided at that point in time the text messages or the contents of a Google Drive that were shared with. 01:32:28
Reporter. 01:32:35
On June 25th. 01:32:36
Penn Spencer sent an update to the requester. 01:32:40
Providing. 01:32:42
A portion of the records and the requester at that point time amended the. 01:32:45
To include call logs. 01:32:48
On top of the. 01:32:51
Documents that he had requested previously. 01:32:52
On the 26th, Pam sent the first conship responsive records. 01:32:55
And then on the 20. 01:33:00
First, umm. 01:33:02
The reporter's office followed up with Councilmember Holloway to try to track down the missing records. 01:33:03
And to clarify that the records provided need to be in their original format. 01:33:08
There were some things that were provided in a different format initially. 01:33:13
On July 23rd, the Recorder's Office sent a second request. 01:33:17
For the missing records. 01:33:22
Some of the missing records were then submitted by Councilmember Holdaway. 01:33:23
And on that same day, we had our last. 01:33:28
City Council meeting in which there was an allegation of non compliance by. 01:33:31
Council member holder way that. 01:33:36
The recorder's office hadn't. 01:33:38
Complied with grandma. 01:33:40
I think we can see in the previous slide what the deadlines were and then how they corresponded and followed. 01:33:42
And tracked with what the statute requires. 01:33:49
On July 29th. 01:33:52
After reviewing the additional records that were provided, the reporter's office supplemented the response to the requester. 01:33:54
And Tony? 01:34:01
3rd request to Councilmember Holdaway for the records that we're still missing. 01:34:04
On July 30th, Councilmember Holloway confirmed. 01:34:08
Transmission of all the responsive records except for the Google Drive. 01:34:11
I'll go through a summary of what was requested and what was provided and what we're still. 01:34:16
Missing and then on August 4th. 01:34:21
Council member Holdaway made a. 01:34:24
Separate grammar requests for correspondence between the city and the. 01:34:26
Buster on August 7th. 01:34:29
Constants are sent an update to the requester based on that e-mail from Councilmember Holdaway confirming. 01:34:33
What records existed, what we had? 01:34:39
And then providing. 01:34:41
Those that we did have. 01:34:43
There were a few light redactions made that were redactions of. 01:34:44
Personal information. 01:34:47
Phone numbers, e-mail addresses, those kinds of things. 01:34:49
So the stat as to the status of the responsive records. 01:34:53
This is the list of. 01:34:57
Things that were responsive. 01:34:59
We received the text messages and the slides the. 01:35:01
Slide presentation. 01:35:06
And those have been provided to the requester. 01:35:07
Council member Holdaway has confirmed. 01:35:10
That no records exist. 01:35:13
In e-mail format. 01:35:15
That there were no recordings of the Zoom meetings that were held. 01:35:17
And that there are no call logs that were retained. 01:35:21
There was a Zoom meeting. Let me get through this and I think that mayor will have. 01:35:25
But as long as I'm given the version to correct things, sure. 01:35:31
But I mean, I like to. 01:35:36
All right, I won't have time. I will give you some temperature. 01:35:37
Go ahead, Jamie. 01:35:41
And then on the. 01:35:42
The records that are pending. 01:35:43
The contents of the Google Drive. 01:35:45
Have not been. 01:35:48
Provided. 01:35:49
There. 01:35:51
It's not your turn yet. I will provide time for the council. So please, if we could avoid the interruptions and let Jamie continue 01:35:53
his presentation. Let's just make sure people time. 01:35:58
I will let you know the time that all of the council members get and each council member will get equal time. 01:36:03
And again, what I'm relaying here is. 01:36:11
You have the original source documents here in front of you. 01:36:14
This is our best understanding of what's been provided, what exists. 01:36:18
And what we don't yet have. 01:36:22
There. So this conversation today is interesting because. 01:36:24
Typically, this wouldn't be a discussion that you'd have at the City Council level, and the reason for that is. 01:36:28
The requester has the right. 01:36:34
And in this circumstance, he's indicated orally to the reporters office that he intends to. 01:36:36
Final appeal to the Chief Administrative officer. 01:36:42
There's a process for this appeal. 01:36:45
To occur, it's outlined in state law. 01:36:48
How it is to occur when the decisions to be made? 01:36:50
What the format of the decision has to be and so. 01:36:53
Part of the conversation today has to be a little bit abbreviated because we have to respect the fact. 01:36:57
That that appeal process can. 01:37:03
Occur, and if it does occur, it has to occur in. 01:37:06
That forum and not in a. 01:37:09
City Council meeting. 01:37:11
So that's. 01:37:13
Kind of the end of. 01:37:14
Of my presentation and the overview of how I understand things, and I think the mayor will get a discussion from there and to the 01:37:16
extent you wish to. 01:37:20
Thank you, Jamie. Additionally, Council member Holder Way did ask that we. 01:37:24
That we. 01:37:31
Decide if there was something that we could intervene on. There were a few things that were. 01:37:32
Requested. 01:37:37
One was that we could see the records. 01:37:38
As you see before you, there's a large stack of all of the records. 01:37:41
I'm outlined as far as the dates that were provided in Jamie's slide. 01:37:45
They are all categorized and outlined. 01:37:50
Within your packet. 01:37:53
So now you can see them. 01:37:54
There was a question about whether or not Monica, the Ombudsman, could. 01:37:57
Provide mediation. I did call her. 01:38:01
She presented me with the law. 01:38:05
State law. 01:38:08
63D. 01:38:09
G Excuse me, 63G. 01:38:11
2-204. 01:38:14
Section 1. 01:38:17
Part A. 01:38:19
In Section 3. 01:38:22
Where it outlines her duties. 01:38:23
As far as mediation goes and when that happens and that happens further along in the appeal process, she is a resource to people 01:38:26
who have requested or I need to submit documents and so you can continue to ask anything. 01:38:32
Clarifying questions, but at this time she. 01:38:38
Not able Her role does not identify her. 01:38:41
As mediating this conversation. 01:38:45
Within this portion of time, you can review that law. 01:38:49
Jamie covered it in his slide, but please feel free to review it. 01:38:53
There was a question about conflicts of interest. Right now it looks like we're going through the proper process. It looks like 01:38:57
all of your records were turned over. 01:39:01
So the you had a concern. 01:39:05
On July 23rd that records had been withheld or not. 01:39:08
Turned over, but it looks like in June they were turned over. 01:39:12
And then as you continue to provide additional information. 01:39:16
And those records have been. 01:39:21
Put forward as well. 01:39:24
Let's see to see where we are in the process. 01:39:26
I believe I have covered. 01:39:29
All of your requests. 01:39:32
And now we are at this place of seeing where the Council can. 01:39:34
Take an action and it looks like what you're still waiting on, from what I understand, is that they're waiting on shared 01:39:38
documents. 01:39:41
From you from Google Drive doc. 01:39:45
Moving forward. 01:39:48
Council, at this time I'd like to provide about 20 minutes for this discussion where everybody would get. 01:39:49
Or minutes. 01:39:55
And Jake? 01:39:57
Why don't we go ahead and. 01:39:58
If you would like to up it by one minute, I'm happy to provide 5 minutes for everybody. But Jake, why don't you go ahead and. 01:40:00
Sarah, your your comments and. 01:40:07
Tony, if you could set a 5 minute timer so we can get through this and make sure everybody has equal time like. 01:40:09
Council member Holdaway requested that would be helpful. 01:40:15
The focus of the entire New York Times story is about 12 fake accounts that targeted my family. 01:40:19
And made-up stories about bribery of my father. 01:40:26
With city officials. 01:40:30
Stealing land. 01:40:32
Or whatnot. 01:40:34
And recently on the social media. 01:40:35
And three other. 01:40:38
Employees have come forward to let me know. 01:40:41
That they have been told or in meetings. 01:40:44
Where they have confirmed that those fake accounts were from upper letter leadership within Vineyard City. 01:40:48
I do not have any proof of that. 01:40:55
I have stayed quiet over the last three or four days. 01:40:58
When this happened over a year ago. 01:41:02
It was terrifying. 01:41:05
I didn't know who they were. 01:41:07
They were talking about coming in through the entrance of my home with my young daughters. 01:41:09
In the grammar request, you can see that I reach out to the Attorney General about it. 01:41:15
He advises me that it's not illegal to view. 01:41:20
My home from the street. 01:41:24
And that there's nothing illegal about it. 01:41:27
Umm. 01:41:29
Because of the content. 01:41:33
And the history of our city. 01:41:36
And the. 01:41:39
Major of our leadership, I turned over everything to Leah Larson, an independent person, to be able to investigate who these 01:41:41
people were. 01:41:45
Every single meeting that we ever had was that. 01:41:50
Via Zoom, so nothing. 01:41:53
Was recorded. 01:41:55
There's no emails being sent and I was very clear that you didn't turn over any. 01:41:56
Everyone knows me to be a zoom. 01:42:01
So I would prepare a PowerPoint. 01:42:03
And if you could imagine contacting the salt. 01:42:05
The New York Times. 01:42:08
They don't have a lot of time, so you have to organize things. 01:42:09
So the description in all of the PowerPoints were to help the editors of. 01:42:12
Both boards. 01:42:17
Understand what my family was facing. 01:42:19
That's all I have. 01:42:22
At the end of every Zoom meeting. 01:42:23
If they ask for a copy of it, I would. 01:42:26
Send them a Google Drive and say download it. 01:42:28
And I would have another conversation with them and I would delete the. 01:42:31
The Google Drive just because. 01:42:36
It's on my take a hold of it. It's e-mail e-mail and I don't have a lot of content to store because it costs $5 a month so I'm 01:42:37
cheap. 01:42:41
But every single. 01:42:46
PowerPoint. 01:42:48
Is saved on a folder on my. 01:42:49
Computer and so when they came to ask it, I had every PowerPoint. 01:42:51
So the accusation that. 01:42:55
I had emailed her that I wasn't forthcoming now in the PowerPoint. 01:42:58
There are snippets of emails. 01:43:02
That I shared. 01:43:04
Following Grandma Law. 01:43:05
If I never shared them an e-mail. 01:43:08
I never did share an existing e-mail. 01:43:10
I sent them a PowerPoint of the e-mail so. 01:43:14
For me to go into my e-mail and say. 01:43:17
Hey, here's the e-mail. 01:43:20
But I've never sent them this. 01:43:22
I sent them the PowerPoint. 01:43:25
Would be giving them a record that I'd never sent them before and I'd be lying to. 01:43:27
Say that I'd given them. 01:43:31
I've sent them a screenshot of that. 01:43:33
And so that's the first so to say that I'm not complying with emails. It's like. 01:43:35
You can look through my emails. 01:43:40
I've looked through every single one, there's not one. 01:43:41
Number so and then #2 on the Google Drive. 01:43:43
It's just a file like. I have the folder so I don't have the thing. 01:43:47
There is a recording. 01:43:52
That did exist and I did not. 01:43:54
The text messages. 01:43:56
About 50 pages. 01:43:57
I did not read the. 01:43:59
Back and forth between me and Leah. 01:44:01
48 hours after. 01:44:05
Interviewing. 01:44:06
All of. 01:44:10
People that they did within our city. 01:44:11
And telling them that we knew what was going on. 01:44:14
All twelve of those accounts were deleted. 01:44:17
So whoever we interviewed went in and deleted every single one. 01:44:20
So we knew they were coordinating. 01:44:24
I did a recorded zoom meeting. 01:44:27
I didn't realize this at the time. 01:44:29
So looking for the text message. 01:44:31
And I went through every single one of my Facebook accounts where each one of them. 01:44:34
Within a 48 hour period of those interviews were deleted. 01:44:38
It's a great piece of evidence and I contacted Zoom. 01:44:42
Zoom has an automatic delete feature after 30 days. 01:44:45
So when it's recorded it's saved in the cloud and then it auto deletes. 01:44:49
I have a text message of reaching back out to Leah saying when you, when I sent you that recording, did you ever download it? She 01:44:55
never downloaded it. She just looked at it and sent it to the to the New York Times body. 01:45:01
That's why they knew I was credible. 01:45:06
Is because they were able to see every single thing of how those accounts moved when they targeted my family. 01:45:09
So that's that. So there are no emails on phone records. 01:45:18
The phone that I have. 01:45:22
Does not go in detail. 01:45:23
It only holds the 30 days. 01:45:25
Of my last I'll give you one more minute so that we can all have the same time, please. 01:45:28
Please wrap up your thoughts. 01:45:33
It only holds. 01:45:34
The last 30 days of my. 01:45:36
And at which I didn't have any calls with Leah. 01:45:39
I went to the responder and I said. 01:45:42
I have no problem sitting down with you and showing you why I don't have a Google Drive and Gmail. 01:45:44
Or because it's just. 01:45:49
Of the file number that. 01:45:51
Doesn't exist, but every single PowerPoint over 100 pages. 01:45:54
Are there so? 01:45:58
The accusations that. 01:46:00
I have emails. 01:46:03
That I didn't share. I just don't. 01:46:05
We never that way. 01:46:08
All right. However, I want to say one last thing. 01:46:12
The people conducting the grammar. 01:46:17
And the Council. 01:46:19
Are all the subject of the matter except. 01:46:21
Sarah, Marty and Brett. But the mayor? 01:46:25
The attorney. 01:46:27
Our city clerk. 01:46:29
Our city manager. 01:46:31
They are all the focus of this and I brought this to say. 01:46:32
Could Orem City and you're right, Mayor the. 01:46:35
The state is not. There is no code. I contacted them and they said. 01:46:39
I can see the conflict of interest. 01:46:43
In this and maybe it does need to be arbitrated at the state. 01:46:46
I have no problem with that, but. 01:46:50
I will not have the subject. 01:46:52
Of who this is investigated the Muhammad's. 01:46:54
Reviewing me because I know. 01:46:58
I had a good idea. 01:47:00
As he was behind the fake accounts. 01:47:02
OK. Thank you. 01:47:05
Fret. 01:47:06
And the only thing I want to say is. 01:47:12
I find. 01:47:15
Fake accounts and. 01:47:16
Harassment like that? 01:47:18
I don't understand. 01:47:20
Why anybody? 01:47:21
Would do it. 01:47:22
But as it relates to the grandma with the documents in front of us. 01:47:25
I have no. 01:47:29
No additional. 01:47:30
OK, Marty or Sarah? 01:47:33
I just, I appreciate all the work that's gone into this. 01:47:40
And we'll take the time to go through it. 01:47:44
I I also don't. 01:47:47
I mean, I'm not really. 01:47:49
Social media savvy so I can't really comprehend somebody having more than. 01:47:50
One account. 01:47:54
Put a lot of fake account so. 01:47:55
So and again. 01:47:57
Totally inappropriate to threaten people or make you feel unsafe in your home own home. 01:47:59
That's nobody. Nobody would. 01:48:03
Condone that so. 01:48:07
Anyway, but thanks for all your work and. 01:48:09
Can you see me? 01:48:15
It looks like. 01:48:20
I I don't really have any comments on this either. 01:48:25
I've seen fake accounts used. 01:48:29
And specifically recently. 01:48:33
Fake account. 01:48:35
Said that they were my supporter and then they started making racing. 01:48:37
Racist comments. 01:48:40
So I wonder. 01:48:41
Was that someone that was against me, that was trying to make me look like a racist? 01:48:42
But I didn't really go in to do any research just because I feel like those are really hard to. 01:48:48
Right out and it's not worth my time. I think people understand. 01:48:53
That thank you councillor. Fake accounts. 01:48:58
But I agree that. 01:49:00
Having them come. 01:49:02
Threaten you and make you feel uncomfortable. 01:49:04
Not OK. 01:49:06
Just like some of the things I've read, it seems like there has been some misunderstandings. 01:49:07
But also, you know. 01:49:11
I need to spend more time. 01:49:13
Really looking through this. 01:49:15
And, umm. 01:49:17
Yeah, that's it. 01:49:21
All right, and thank you. 01:49:23
Pam and can I make one clear? 01:49:25
So I. 01:49:29
I want to back away from any. 01:49:30
This version that what this presentation is an allegation or targeted at anybody. 01:49:32
This is follow up from the last council meeting. 01:49:38
And the topic that was brought up, it was a. 01:49:41
Something we were tasked with putting together and then reporting on. 01:49:43
There is. 01:49:47
Nothing in. 01:49:48
This slide that is an allegation. It is simply. 01:49:50
These are the things that were provided to the requester. 01:49:54
There are three categories of things. 01:49:57
Where Councilmember Holloway has indicated that no records exist, I think he confirmed that. 01:49:59
During what he just said. 01:50:05
That those records don't exist. 01:50:07
And the contents of the Google Drive, I think he explained. 01:50:09
That they weren't provided because apparently they don't exist either. 01:50:13
Like I went back into Google, I emailed them and said. 01:50:19
If I sent a drive to use it and then deleted the folder. 01:50:22
Like when it, when it. 01:50:26
Build up. Can you go back? And they're like, no, you can't. I'm like oh, OK, well. 01:50:27
I just to prove like this is the number link that was used but like. 01:50:31
I know. 01:50:36
And then we're talking about multiple Zoom meetings over a year. So we're, I mean. 01:50:37
We're talking, you know, there's 100 pages in here. 01:50:42
OK. I'm going to go ahead and take some time and then we're going to close up this discussion. 01:50:46
I want to review that. 01:50:53
Jamie mentioned it. 01:50:56
But you did ask. 01:50:57
Myself and the Council to review this and see if we could intervene. 01:50:59
That is why I brought it before the Council and the public, to make sure that we truly understood the timeline that was presented. 01:51:04
I think that's important. 01:51:13
Secondly, I think it's important as we look through the slides and they're available to the public. 01:51:14
For the public to know that I am not a grandma officer. 01:51:19
And naturally, I don't review them. 01:51:22
There were some allegations that said there's fake accounts. 01:51:25
By executive. 01:51:29
People in charge of this. 01:51:30
I've seen all over Facebook that I have so many fake accounts thorough Searle was even. 01:51:32
Me at some point, but she's actually a royal citizen, so. 01:51:38
Very appalling. 01:51:42
That you were attacked. 01:51:43
By people. 01:51:46
Who if they were real or fake? 01:51:47
There, it's not justified. 01:51:51
I would say that the. 01:51:53
Records as I review them. 01:51:56
We're about multiple stories. 01:51:59
Over a long, expansive amount of. 01:52:01
Time and they weren't really about the people that were reviewing the grammar records. 01:52:03
Rather, they were targeted specifically at me and a few others, but. 01:52:09
Nothing really that would provide a conflict for interest. I think one of the things that you mentioned that I want to make sure 01:52:14
the public knows is. 01:52:17
One of your biggest concerns? 01:52:20
Was that it would. 01:52:23
It was being blocked. 01:52:24
And we know that it was turned over before. 01:52:26
July 23rd in June, what you did provide and then? 01:52:29
As soon as your records were sent. 01:52:33
We know that they continue to be offered to the requester, so you can be rest assured that there's no conflict. Everything that 01:52:35
you shared is before you. 01:52:40
If you want to go through it and make sure that nothing was blocked. 01:52:45
And that would be the reason for a conflict of interest and that everything went through the proper process. 01:52:48
It is before you. 01:52:53
Last meeting we talked about how. 01:52:55
We don't want to miss steps in the process and Jamie articulated, I think very clearly. 01:52:58
That everything was done in a written format. 01:53:04
Grandma does. The grandma law does. 01:53:07
Account for these things and talks about the process and our residents can look through them. 01:53:10
Like I mentioned, I did talk to the Ombudsman and she presented the law. 01:53:16
We do have it and so and I presented it to you which was 63G-2-0. 01:53:20
204. 01:53:26
One a #3 that was particularly mentioned about mediation, but the entire. 01:53:28
The entire statute. 01:53:35
Talks about roles. 01:53:37
Responsibilities. 01:53:39
How and when the investment can get involved? How we do grandma what? 01:53:41
Records Office is in charge of when it talks about. 01:53:46
How things are processed and how things. 01:53:49
Are done. The great news is what Jamie explained at the beginning. 01:53:52
Or I mean at the end. 01:53:57
Of the presentation that was done in the beginning. 01:53:58
Is that? 01:54:02
There is a process for. 01:54:03
And if you do. 01:54:05
Present your case. You can go through that at that time and experience mediation. 01:54:07
And then I would say. 01:54:11
While we have. 01:54:14
Well, we can talk about that in the future, but I think that. 01:54:16
Some of the things you may want to go back. 01:54:20
Through and review some of your. 01:54:22
Your records it was shown that there was a potential Google Drive. 01:54:24
Record. 01:54:30
Accessible during the time of the request. 01:54:32
So it might be that you. 01:54:36
You missed it, but I think that's important to talk about. 01:54:38
At this time, the Council. 01:54:41
Through all the commentary that has gone on. 01:54:44
Has not. Has no need to make an action on this, so I'm going to go ahead and close this item. 01:54:46
And, umm. 01:54:52
Further and let us. 01:54:53
Let it go back through the. 01:54:54
The regular process that it's been going through and then. 01:54:56
If we have any further questions. 01:55:00
In the future, we can come back to that. 01:55:02
We do have a closed session request that needs to go through which is. 01:55:04
Discussion of character, professional competence, or physical or mental health of an individual and Jake at this time. 01:55:09
Because I think we've all gotten equal footing and time. 01:55:15
I'm not going to allow for more conversation on this. 01:55:19
But umm. 01:55:23
Like I said, if there is something that you feel is amiss as you review the documents. 01:55:24
Please come back at that time. 01:55:29
So I need a motion to go into a closed session as soon as we close this. 01:55:30
I just need to know if. 01:55:34
That subject is a matter of me and my family. 01:55:37
What I wasn't told about doing a closed door session, so if it's about. 01:55:42
The conduct of me? Oh, no. 01:55:48
It's the discussion of character, professional competence, or physical or mental health of an individual. 01:55:50
I need a motion to go into that closed session right after this meeting closes. 01:55:56
Thank you, Sarah. I got her first. Can I get a second? 01:56:01
Oh. 01:56:08
I'm sure talking. 01:56:10
I have a clarification real quick. 01:56:12
Can we ensure that this grammar and all the contents are part of the meeting records so that the citizens can go access? 01:56:14
Yeah, it will be when it would. 01:56:22
When we put it together and send it to the city, Recorder was with the. 01:56:24
The intent that it would be included in the. 01:56:28
End the meeting record. 01:56:31
OK, I moved to go into a closed session immediately following the City Council meeting in the City Council chambers. 01:56:33
For a discussion. 01:56:41
For a discussion of the character, professional competence, or physical or mental health of an individual. 01:56:44
All right, we have a first by Sarah. Could I get a second? 01:56:49
Second. Second by Brett, all in favor. 01:56:53
Just kidding. Roll call. 01:56:57
I, Marty. 01:56:59
Hi, Brett. 01:57:01
Sarah. 01:57:04
All right. Thank you so much for coming. This meeting has been adjourned. 01:57:05