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| OK, today is October 8th, 2025 and the time is 547. Thank you so much for joining us. We're going to go ahead and get our City | 00:00:00 | |
| Council meeting started. | 00:00:05 | |
| I'm going to start by giving the invitation and leading us in our Pledge of Allegiance, and then we'll go from there. | 00:00:09 | |
| Are your kind, gracious heavenly Father we're so grateful for the opportunity to gather together and to. | 00:00:15 | |
| Work as a city for the betterment of our community. We pray that Thy Spirit will be with us. And we say this in the name of Jesus | 00:00:21 | |
| Christ, Amen. | 00:00:24 | |
| I'll rise. | 00:00:28 | |
| United States of America. | 00:00:34 | |
| Republic for which it stands. | 00:00:39 | |
| One nation under God. | 00:00:41 | |
| All right, we're going to say. | 00:00:43 | |
| Start out with a few. | 00:00:53 | |
| Appointments. | 00:00:55 | |
| Let me make sure I'm. | 00:00:56 | |
| Oh, actually, we might. | 00:00:59 | |
| It looks like we're going to go ahead and pass that for today. | 00:01:02 | |
| And we are going to move into our. | 00:01:05 | |
| The rest of the our agenda. | 00:01:09 | |
| Let's go ahead and. | 00:01:11 | |
| Start out with our work session. | 00:01:13 | |
| We're going to start out with the Forge development agreement amendment and Steve Borough from Dakota Pacific is. | 00:01:15 | |
| Here to lead that discussion. | 00:01:22 | |
| Morgan, did you? | 00:01:24 | |
| Or Anthony. | 00:01:25 | |
| Do you have something to say? OK. | 00:01:27 | |
| Thank you, Mayor and members of the City Council. | 00:01:33 | |
| So we'll get this pulled up. | 00:01:35 | |
| Provide you a couple of the highlights. | 00:01:37 | |
| And then? | 00:01:39 | |
| Steve is here and. | 00:01:40 | |
| Steve, our representatives from IHC here as well. | 00:01:41 | |
| OK, great. | 00:01:45 | |
| So, so just to give you just kind of a general and we'll get this pulled up in a minute. | 00:01:46 | |
| So if you're familiar with the Forge. | 00:01:51 | |
| It's it's located. | 00:01:53 | |
| Just South of the venue connector, north of the megaplex. | 00:01:54 | |
| It's 35 or so acres. | 00:01:58 | |
| IHC does own one parcel of this and So what this what this? | 00:02:03 | |
| Proposal would do and this is just a work session just to kind of lay this out for you. | 00:02:07 | |
| We're still working on a staff level with the with the applicants. | 00:02:11 | |
| And what this would do? | 00:02:14 | |
| Is break the development into two sides. | 00:02:15 | |
| So I see owns the South. | 00:02:18 | |
| East corner that you see there, about 5 acres of land. | 00:02:22 | |
| And they're intending to purchase the northeast corner. | 00:02:26 | |
| Along mill or along of interconnector entity ver Rd. | 00:02:29 | |
| For the purposes of building medical facilities. | 00:02:34 | |
| And so that would phase in overtime. | 00:02:37 | |
| So that's that's one of the main things is to break it into. | 00:02:40 | |
| There would be medical uses that would be allowed as a permitted use within the zoning district. | 00:02:44 | |
| Or really within the development agreement. | 00:02:50 | |
| One of the changes to remember from the original development agreement. | 00:02:54 | |
| There was a requirement for a like a corporate center on that corner of the connector Geneva Road to provide like an architectural | 00:02:58 | |
| something iconic. | 00:03:03 | |
| So we're working with IHC that that we can kind of do the same thing, but it would be with one of their their medical facilities. | 00:03:09 | |
| Additionally on. | 00:03:15 | |
| The Ford side. | 00:03:17 | |
| So the Dakota Pacific side. | 00:03:19 | |
| We would be looking at. | 00:03:22 | |
| At changing the timeframes, if you remember everyone's favorite, use the regionally significant Entertainment anchor. | 00:03:25 | |
| That has been a use has been. | 00:03:33 | |
| Very difficult. It's going to take some time for us to be able to establish that and we've worked for a few years now. I believe | 00:03:35 | |
| it is. | 00:03:39 | |
| 2023 when this when the development agreement is approved and so we've met with. | 00:03:42 | |
| A whole slew of people and there's still a lot of interest. | 00:03:47 | |
| But it's it's more of a unique type use and so we didn't necessarily want to have that as the anchor, the first one in. | 00:03:50 | |
| Because then that holds up the project. What we would like from the City side is we've said, well, how don't we get retail there? | 00:03:56 | |
| Because if we can get sales tax, we can get restaurants, we can get those like just those basic services and goods. | 00:04:01 | |
| Then that that would be a really huge economic development standpoint and that would be at the corner of Mill Road and then your | 00:04:08 | |
| connector and we've talked about this before, but that really is going to be our main. | 00:04:13 | |
| Like probably the black D major intersection in the city. | 00:04:18 | |
| Next to Main Street in the vendor. | 00:04:22 | |
| And so that is going to be just a great. | 00:04:25 | |
| Piece of property overtime to to to build that retail. | 00:04:27 | |
| And then so that would be what would. | 00:04:32 | |
| Allow them to then move into the residential component before it was the entertainment anchor. | 00:04:34 | |
| And then they would move into the residential component. | 00:04:39 | |
| So one thing that this does not do, this does not. | 00:04:42 | |
| It's not like up zone or increased density, nothing else changes. It's just kind of that that first piece of the of the puzzle | 00:04:45 | |
| would be retail. | 00:04:50 | |
| Which we're pretty excited about. | 00:04:54 | |
| As opposed to the entertainment anchor, The entertainment anchor most likely would be retail too. | 00:04:56 | |
| But that's, like I said, it's unique in nature and it's going to take some time. | 00:05:00 | |
| All the other elements, the open spaces that we negotiated in the last agreement, the park space behind the megaplex, all those | 00:05:05 | |
| elements would would stay intact. | 00:05:09 | |
| So without. | 00:05:15 | |
| Further ado let me. | 00:05:17 | |
| See if you come up. | 00:05:18 | |
| Thanks, Morgan. | 00:05:21 | |
| Slides. | 00:05:32 | |
| Dean Council. | 00:05:40 | |
| I think Morgan did a good job summarizing the essence of what we're asking for. I can just add a little bit more color. | 00:05:42 | |
| If that's helpful. | 00:05:49 | |
| Some of the council members were here in 2023 when? | 00:05:51 | |
| The development agreement was approved. | 00:05:55 | |
| But we did have that development agreement in 2023 and one of the big topics when that was approved was. | 00:05:57 | |
| What's the retail and can you bring this entertainment anchor? | 00:06:02 | |
| As it was called and it would. | 00:06:06 | |
| I think we spent quite a bit of time defining it right at the end. | 00:06:07 | |
| Around regionally significant and so. | 00:06:10 | |
| I'm happy to go into more interactions about. | 00:06:12 | |
| Our efforts around that, we had two or three that we've gotten pretty far into, you know, negotiating and trading paper. | 00:06:15 | |
| But ultimately have pulled out for different reasons. You know, as much as I'm able to talk about those, I brought one to the | 00:06:21 | |
| Planning Commission I think in January where we were under, you know, agreement and contract and it was a climbing gym. We were | 00:06:26 | |
| all excited and ultimately the board kind of pulled back because of some other capital. | 00:06:31 | |
| Priorities around. | 00:06:37 | |
| Acquisition, they still remain interested, they still may come back around, but that's that's some of the activities we've had | 00:06:38 | |
| again, we've looked at like family centers, different kinds of sports facilities, a lot of entertainment right where you combine | 00:06:42 | |
| some kind of a. | 00:06:46 | |
| Restaurant with an activity, It's a big thing across the United States we've talked to, I think. | 00:06:50 | |
| A majority of all the large ones. | 00:06:54 | |
| You know, they're kind of growing nationally. | 00:06:56 | |
| But just really struggled with anybody wanting to prioritize Utah County over other national more alcohol sales. I mean, so many | 00:06:58 | |
| of those, those groups like 30% of their sales are alcohol related. And they just know that here it's not going to be that. And so | 00:07:03 | |
| it's it's a little bit harder to prioritize. So that has been our effort. We've put quite a bit of focus into it and people keep | 00:07:07 | |
| asking why don't you develop? | 00:07:12 | |
| More commercial, at least along along Mill Road and the question and answers that was. | 00:07:17 | |
| If I put that in there and now I cannot put an anchor in. | 00:07:21 | |
| Then I've prevented myself from being able to develop the rest of the development. So the anchor really kind of had to had to come | 00:07:24 | |
| first the way that sequence was ordered. Well, if we kind of resequence it, I can start some commercial, I can have more time to | 00:07:30 | |
| find somebody who will fit into the box a little bit South of us of what we're talking about. And so that's the goal. | 00:07:35 | |
| Let's get some momentum. Get some. | 00:07:41 | |
| Retail going to some commercial, get some company residential and start the development. So that's really one of the items and | 00:07:43 | |
| then. | 00:07:47 | |
| Largely kind of unrelated. | 00:07:51 | |
| But we're bundling it with the same agreement for efficiency was this. | 00:07:53 | |
| Intermountain Health. | 00:07:57 | |
| Acquisition of what 4 we've had. | 00:07:59 | |
| Discussions on and off for years and. | 00:08:00 | |
| An Intermountain is locked. | 00:08:03 | |
| Their plans in and wanting to acquire 5 more acres. | 00:08:04 | |
| So. | 00:08:07 | |
| So again, to be real clear. | 00:08:10 | |
| There's two requests. | 00:08:13 | |
| Suppose they could be dealt with independently if we needed to, but remove that requirement for that anchor to precede the | 00:08:14 | |
| residential occupancy. | 00:08:17 | |
| And then remove lot 4 from the Forge development agreement and let you guys. | 00:08:20 | |
| Negotiate directly and enter into a specific development agreement with Intermountain so that they can basically have. | 00:08:25 | |
| I have. I probably don't have my pointer on here one second. | 00:08:31 | |
| So they can have this full. | 00:08:36 | |
| 10 acres along Geneva Rd. for. | 00:08:39 | |
| The development of the Health Center, they can come up and. | 00:08:42 | |
| And present and talk about SO. | 00:08:44 | |
| With that, any questions or anything I can add? | 00:08:46 | |
| Again, we're kind of seeking initial input. We'll come back for formal approval, but. | 00:08:50 | |
| Council, do you have any questions? | 00:08:55 | |
| About this plan right now. | 00:08:56 | |
| Do you need time to think about it? | 00:08:59 | |
| I can give feedback that I'm really. | 00:09:02 | |
| At first glance and other than digesting at this week. | 00:09:07 | |
| I think having Intermountain come in is an exciting idea. | 00:09:11 | |
| And I think that one. | 00:09:14 | |
| For more would be umm. | 00:09:16 | |
| Something that I would lean toward approving. I don't drive vibrancy. It'll drive lunchtime traffic. Both really good things for | 00:09:18 | |
| the area. | 00:09:21 | |
| I think for the other one, I think it would just be a lot of discussions. | 00:09:25 | |
| Trying to figure out where our balance is and. | 00:09:29 | |
| I didn't get them all over it a little bit and talk to some residents. | 00:09:31 | |
| But I think it's worth talking about. | 00:09:35 | |
| I do think we have regionally significant things. | 00:09:39 | |
| We have topped off and we have the megaplex. | 00:09:43 | |
| But we are. | 00:09:46 | |
| Definitely lacking in. | 00:09:47 | |
| Commercial and. | 00:09:49 | |
| Yeah, places to shop. So I. | 00:09:51 | |
| Like it? I think it would be great. | 00:09:53 | |
| Why did you have lunch? | 00:09:59 | |
| Did you not hear what I said? Do I need to talk louder? | 00:10:05 | |
| I basically said that I'm excited for the Intermountain option and then the second discussion I'm willing to have. | 00:10:09 | |
| Like work on with you and. | 00:10:15 | |
| Figure out what we can get to. | 00:10:16 | |
| Finding the right balance, you said. | 00:10:18 | |
| Yeah, umm. | 00:10:20 | |
| OK. Thank you, Marty and Sarah. Jake, Brett, do you have anything to add? | 00:10:22 | |
| Yeah, one of the questions that I want to ask is that the. | 00:10:27 | |
| The proposed change is on a smaller parcel. | 00:10:31 | |
| And I'd be interested to know. | 00:10:35 | |
| How or if that actually changes the options for? | 00:10:37 | |
| What might have gone into the corner versus what might go into? | 00:10:41 | |
| That new area? | 00:10:45 | |
| Yeah. And we're keeping the boundaries here of that commercial. Obviously, we're going to fit. | 00:10:47 | |
| The anchor in. | 00:10:51 | |
| To this commercial section, because that's the priority. We'll need that to unlock the rest of the development. | 00:10:52 | |
| In order to monetize all the land. | 00:10:59 | |
| So we left it as drawn, but that mixed-use allows. | 00:11:01 | |
| Retail as well, right, so. | 00:11:04 | |
| We assume that. | 00:11:06 | |
| A building or development could cross some of that. | 00:11:08 | |
| So it's going to depend on where they want to sit. | 00:11:10 | |
| Before we really try to redraw the boundary of what that is. | 00:11:13 | |
| But it was always said that that entertainment anchor would be probably a part of the of the previous. | 00:11:17 | |
| You know, 5 acre block approximately, not necessarily all of it. Some of those users were looking at. | 00:11:21 | |
| I think 2 to 3 acres that we had talked to and so again we kind of get. | 00:11:26 | |
| 3 acres down, down below that were. | 00:11:29 | |
| We're thinking we'll be tagged for that. | 00:11:32 | |
| Entertainment Anchor. | 00:11:36 | |
| OK, so if this is approved, how soon would you start? | 00:11:37 | |
| Your project. | 00:11:42 | |
| As far as the commercial? | 00:11:45 | |
| Yeah. Anything in that area, it's been just. | 00:11:47 | |
| For a long time. | 00:11:50 | |
| Yeah, umm. | 00:11:51 | |
| So we would. | 00:11:51 | |
| Have the go ahead now to go get the capital and the financial resources to kick off design and go ahead and. | 00:11:53 | |
| Start building that plan, you know. | 00:11:58 | |
| Design typically get through a site plan as you know, 12 to. | 00:12:01 | |
| Months or so right before we can actually get a building permit. | 00:12:05 | |
| But this would unlock and actually give us the ability to go start that whole design process. And so it's probably, you know, a | 00:12:07 | |
| year or fifteen months before construction could start. | 00:12:11 | |
| I was in that long meeting about a regionally significant meeting with Bryce. | 00:12:17 | |
| I remember that. | 00:12:22 | |
| I would just defer to him I. | 00:12:24 | |
| I when I found out about this I I messaged him. I couldn't sync with him about that. | 00:12:25 | |
| I know he's no longer on the Planning Commission, but when you work so long to. | 00:12:30 | |
| And fight to get something. I kind of want to get the details and I'm a little bit concerned about the sizing or. | 00:12:34 | |
| Maybe just push to the side a little bit of. | 00:12:40 | |
| Does that adjust it so? But I'm open to. | 00:12:42 | |
| The retail first. | 00:12:46 | |
| We need taxes like so I actually think that's a. | 00:12:47 | |
| Positive. Umm. | 00:12:50 | |
| Like putting that first. | 00:12:52 | |
| Do we need to talk this? | 00:12:53 | |
| That's great, Council. | 00:12:56 | |
| If you as you sit and review this. | 00:12:57 | |
| Please submit comments if you'd like to take meetings before this comes back to the table. | 00:13:00 | |
| And within the next two weeks, my guess is will will want to start reaching out and have. | 00:13:05 | |
| More discussion. | 00:13:10 | |
| So OK. | 00:13:11 | |
| Thank you, Steve. | 00:13:12 | |
| Appreciate you coming. | 00:13:13 | |
| Do we want? | 00:13:16 | |
| Before, I think it's one agenda item, but do we want Intermountain to come up and. | 00:13:17 | |
| So that would be wonderful. | 00:13:21 | |
| Get up into mountain. | 00:13:23 | |
| Hey, guys. | 00:13:28 | |
| Hi there, Ryan Wallace. | 00:13:31 | |
| Outside legal counsel representing Intermountain Health. | 00:13:33 | |
| So just to kind of set the stage for for. | 00:13:36 | |
| What Intermountain is doing. So, as has already been said, Intermountain owns that southern parcel. | 00:13:39 | |
| And is currently under contract by that northern parcel. And so we're diligent seeing it, trying to figure out, make sure that it | 00:13:45 | |
| works for Intermountain plans. | 00:13:49 | |
| That's kind of the stage we're in and as part of that. | 00:13:53 | |
| The southern parcel was not. | 00:13:55 | |
| Under. | 00:13:57 | |
| The development agreement for the forge, so it's kind of it's in the forge zone. | 00:13:58 | |
| But it's not under that development agreement and so rather than having two parcels. | 00:14:02 | |
| That are. | 00:14:06 | |
| Not uh uh. | 00:14:07 | |
| Don't have the same requirements and stuff. We thought it made the most sense to pull it out of the forest development agreement | 00:14:09 | |
| and put it under a new one, and obviously we want to. | 00:14:13 | |
| Make sure that the city gets what it needs from that property. | 00:14:17 | |
| And that were things like the putting the building in that building pad up near the corner. | 00:14:20 | |
| A vineyard connector. | 00:14:26 | |
| Kind of so that as you're coming into the city, you see that rather than an open field and kind of first developing South. | 00:14:27 | |
| Very excited to work with the city to. | 00:14:34 | |
| To make sure that we have in that. | 00:14:36 | |
| This new development agreement, the things that. | 00:14:39 | |
| That we need in order to develop, as well as the things that the city needs in order to meet its goals, so. | 00:14:41 | |
| We're excited to work with the city on that process. As part of our application, we know we need to submit a draft development | 00:14:47 | |
| agreement. | 00:14:50 | |
| We did submit a term sheet that just has kind of. | 00:14:53 | |
| More bullet point digestible. | 00:14:57 | |
| Versions of kind of what we would want to see in that development agreement. | 00:14:59 | |
| And so we would love to get comments back from the City Council if you have a chance to look that. | 00:15:03 | |
| Through and then work with staff to provide that to us so that we can then turn it into a draft both. | 00:15:08 | |
| Comments on kind of the points that we have there in the term sheet. | 00:15:13 | |
| That kind of spells out what we would like to see in the development agreement, but also things we missed that the city would like | 00:15:17 | |
| to see in there. | 00:15:20 | |
| We think that that makes the most sense. And then once we kind of get those comments back. | 00:15:23 | |
| We'll quickly turn a draft on a development agreement that we can then kind of. | 00:15:27 | |
| Spend the the time and the wordsmithing to make sure that we get the. | 00:15:31 | |
| Language, right? So. | 00:15:35 | |
| Right now, we're still at that conceptual phase. | 00:15:37 | |
| Love any questions, comments, thoughts. | 00:15:40 | |
| That the Council may have in regards to that term sheet we presented and then. | 00:15:43 | |
| We're excited to move to the next steps. | 00:15:47 | |
| Awesome. Thank you so much. | 00:15:49 | |
| Does anybody have any comments on the term sheets or? | 00:15:50 | |
| If you don't tonight. | 00:15:53 | |
| Because it's nice to be out here and see the. | 00:15:56 | |
| Plan. Make sure that you submit them in the next two weeks and schedule some meetings. | 00:15:58 | |
| I think that's what we're going to do. | 00:16:03 | |
| Is that the timeline? | 00:16:05 | |
| The next two weeks, they turn around. | 00:16:07 | |
| Yeah. Hi, This is Tetsuki. I'm with Intermountain Health. Right now. We don't have a timeline for development typically. | 00:16:11 | |
| We don't do any design work. | 00:16:17 | |
| Prior to. | 00:16:19 | |
| Acquiring property, but we are really excited about. | 00:16:20 | |
| The community and we wouldn't be increasing our acreage from 5:00 to 10:00 if we were to. So, yeah. | 00:16:24 | |
| So we're really bullish about Vineyard. | 00:16:29 | |
| We love that. We love you being bullish about Vineyard and the only reason I say it take is just because we're on a two week time | 00:16:31 | |
| schedule and so. | 00:16:35 | |
| Having something available already. | 00:16:40 | |
| If something does come to the agenda, I just want you to be. | 00:16:42 | |
| Ultra prepared before the next meeting. | 00:16:45 | |
| What? What kind of it? | 00:16:47 | |
| Services, are you guys in? | 00:16:49 | |
| Imagining is it flexible still? Is it still up in the air? Is it So it's flexible, but initially we were looking at. | 00:16:50 | |
| I'm probably doing an outpatient clinic in the 15 to 30,000 square foot. | 00:16:56 | |
| Range. | 00:17:00 | |
| He said. We haven't done any design thing, but we wanted to. | 00:17:02 | |
| Provide additional services for growth and part of the reason. | 00:17:04 | |
| We wanted to add the additional acreages so that we could provide some more specialty services to the community as well. | 00:17:08 | |
| So we haven't. | 00:17:14 | |
| Had a set on anything yet, but some of that could be like. | 00:17:16 | |
| Freestanding emergency department or a surgical center. | 00:17:20 | |
| Are you guys pretty flexible in moving those as well, like this is here and then this is their technique, the services? | 00:17:23 | |
| No, I'm. | 00:17:30 | |
| We are accepted they. | 00:17:31 | |
| The build and design is different for each of them like. | 00:17:34 | |
| Quite for the outpatient clinic. | 00:17:37 | |
| We oftentimes the way we grow is we start out in the 15,020 thousand square foot. | 00:17:39 | |
| Footprint and then we have. | 00:17:44 | |
| Additional expansion area that would add. | 00:17:46 | |
| 20 to 30,000 square feet. | 00:17:48 | |
| And then we go as far as like. | 00:17:51 | |
| We try to just. | 00:17:53 | |
| Demands of the community so. | 00:17:56 | |
| If it is. | 00:17:57 | |
| Going a lot quicker than. | 00:18:00 | |
| Why don't we have at Orem? Then we might move. | 00:18:01 | |
| But a lot of it depends on the. | 00:18:03 | |
| The demand and the need. | 00:18:07 | |
| Like I said, the two different. | 00:18:08 | |
| Developments are. | 00:18:10 | |
| Have a different type of occupancy, build costs and design so. | 00:18:12 | |
| We wouldn't, we wouldn't move surgical center stuff into. | 00:18:17 | |
| How patient care, but we might do some outpatient consulting in the outpatient clinic. | 00:18:20 | |
| And then have the actual surgical. | 00:18:25 | |
| Surgery happening on that. | 00:18:27 | |
| Say awesome thanks. | 00:18:28 | |
| Thank you. | 00:18:30 | |
| Alright, we appreciate you coming tonight. | 00:18:31 | |
| I'm going to move something around on the agenda. | 00:18:34 | |
| Briefly, I want to jump to our. | 00:18:37 | |
| Consent items. | 00:18:39 | |
| So I'm going to take care of eight and 8.1. | 00:18:41 | |
| The city manager report will. | 00:18:44 | |
| Be submitted and available online, is that right, Eric? OK. | 00:18:46 | |
| And so that one is done. | 00:18:50 | |
| I want to jump to the consent items. | 00:18:52 | |
| We did have a request to discuss 9.4. | 00:18:54 | |
| Were there any others that needed to be discussed or can we go ahead and prove the rest of those items? | 00:18:58 | |
| I I. | 00:19:07 | |
| If consent items. | 00:19:09 | |
| Just for my recollection, does it have to be anonymous? Like, hey, we're consenting. It's we're not even going to vote? Or can I | 00:19:11 | |
| vote no on a consent? Yeah, you can vote no. | 00:19:15 | |
| OK. Would you like to do them individually, Jay? | 00:19:19 | |
| Yeah, OK. | 00:19:22 | |
| He will, and I think Corey is helping the. | 00:19:24 | |
| The umm. | 00:19:28 | |
| Personnel policy is like. | 00:19:30 | |
| The disciplinary. | 00:19:32 | |
| And then the. | 00:19:34 | |
| 9.2 is the. | 00:19:37 | |
| Ordinance for it. | 00:19:39 | |
| Correct. | 00:19:41 | |
| I'd be voting no on the 9.2. | 00:19:41 | |
| But you'd be voting yes on the 9.1. | 00:19:44 | |
| That is the appeals one, right? Yeah, I'm. | 00:19:47 | |
| I'm OK with. | 00:19:50 | |
| The appeals glory. | 00:19:53 | |
| They go hand in hand. They do the same thing 11 is. | 00:19:55 | |
| The personnel policy manual. | 00:19:58 | |
| Right. | 00:20:00 | |
| The ordinance so. | 00:20:02 | |
| It would be. | 00:20:03 | |
| Both. You can vote how you want, but it would be inconsistent to vote yes on one or no. Right? That's what I was thinking. OK. | 00:20:04 | |
| Do we have a motion from another Council member on 9.1 and 9.2? | 00:20:10 | |
| Can I make a motion? | 00:20:15 | |
| I just feel like I feel very. | 00:20:17 | |
| I I disagree with this one just because. | 00:20:21 | |
| It does affect. | 00:20:23 | |
| Art staff and. | 00:20:24 | |
| I I feel very passionate that. | 00:20:27 | |
| Our elected body should be the one that's making the decision on on these. I know. | 00:20:29 | |
| It might cost a lot less money for. | 00:20:33 | |
| To hire a hearing officer to hear that, but. | 00:20:37 | |
| A lot of times our staff. | 00:20:41 | |
| We want to give them leniency and stuff, so. | 00:20:43 | |
| I'm just implore you to. | 00:20:46 | |
| I don't know, I think that's why we were elected as to hear it ourselves, not a non elected even though I know it's a cost thing. | 00:20:48 | |
| OK. I love that. I just want to put that on that I'm going to make a statement about that as well. I think that is a greater | 00:20:56 | |
| benefit to the. | 00:21:00 | |
| Staff, if they have a objective body and that we can better support the staff as not the appeals body. I feel like we had a recent | 00:21:03 | |
| occurrence that happened that. | 00:21:08 | |
| Really spoke to that. | 00:21:13 | |
| One of the things that. | 00:21:15 | |
| Happens sometimes in cities is that when we have an appointed somebody we just default to the council. So it's not necessarily a | 00:21:16 | |
| power that. | 00:21:20 | |
| The lawns are supposed to go to the council but. | 00:21:24 | |
| We have it there so that somebody can do it because we are the. | 00:21:26 | |
| People that take on whatever we are not. | 00:21:31 | |
| Hiring or pointing out, but I think the best opportunity for our community, especially as we continue to grow is to have somebody. | 00:21:33 | |
| That is not the Council to do their appeals so that. | 00:21:41 | |
| We can be involved from the political side that we set on, which is a very different side of the table. | 00:21:44 | |
| But Jake, go ahead. | 00:21:49 | |
| And make. | 00:21:50 | |
| Motion. | 00:21:51 | |
| Yeah, I let's see. Well. | 00:21:53 | |
| Make a motion to approve the others, is what you're saying. Sure, go ahead and. | 00:21:55 | |
| You can make a motion to approve the others, or you can make a motion to reject the 9.1 and 9.2. | 00:22:00 | |
| Can I ask? | 00:22:07 | |
| Question. | 00:22:08 | |
| Yeah, on. | 00:22:09 | |
| 9.1 and 9.2. | 00:22:12 | |
| Do you feel like you have the information you need or timing is fine? Like Corey was awesome. I know everything about it. I just I | 00:22:14 | |
| was just curious if there was additional information or understanding that you would want. | 00:22:19 | |
| They might change your mind or if you feel like you know what you need to know and in your mind made-up. | 00:22:25 | |
| I just feel like. | 00:22:32 | |
| And this is similar to the decision to. | 00:22:33 | |
| Have a. | 00:22:36 | |
| You know the planning. | 00:22:37 | |
| Be be made by our. | 00:22:39 | |
| What's the acronym? | 00:22:42 | |
| I just feel like that's what we were elected to do as a council is to have. | 00:22:44 | |
| When you go out to the people, it's like, hey, these are the decisions I'll make. | 00:22:48 | |
| And it's like, well, now. | 00:22:52 | |
| The culture of the staff for everything isn't go to the council, it goes to an independent. | 00:22:53 | |
| And the case that you're citing, I know the employee. | 00:22:58 | |
| Really wanted to go to the council and. | 00:23:02 | |
| And speak openly right after the closed door session. Even book. | 00:23:04 | |
| Before I didn't wanted to. | 00:23:07 | |
| And I I just feel like sometimes. | 00:23:09 | |
| The localness or the politicalness is it helps the staff in their favor because you build such a long term and great relationship | 00:23:12 | |
| because we have such good staff. | 00:23:16 | |
| That your. | 00:23:21 | |
| No, you're not leaving it, but it it plays a part in helping. | 00:23:23 | |
| You know. | 00:23:26 | |
| Try to build a good culture instead of like. | 00:23:28 | |
| Hey, this is an independent body that doesn't really even know. | 00:23:30 | |
| The situation. | 00:23:33 | |
| And politics do play a role, that's why it's always been this way and I know cities do it 2 separate ways. | 00:23:36 | |
| Can I call point of order? | 00:23:43 | |
| Can we move past this? Because I disagree. | 00:23:45 | |
| I think if you want to give everybody 30 seconds to say how I feel about it. | 00:23:47 | |
| I love the idea of it being objective and not emotional. | 00:23:52 | |
| I think there's too many, There's too many. | 00:23:55 | |
| Variables in firing somebody. | 00:23:57 | |
| And I like the idea and. | 00:24:00 | |
| And the recent? | 00:24:01 | |
| Issue. He had the opportunity to come to the council and he chose. | 00:24:04 | |
| Not. | 00:24:09 | |
| I think. | 00:24:11 | |
| We all probably have a different perspective on this, so if everybody wants to share their perspective, I'm good with that. | 00:24:11 | |
| I'm just. I am just. | 00:24:16 | |
| Speaking to policy, though, I will say for the Council. | 00:24:17 | |
| In the personnel policy, there is an opportunity for staff to go through a grievance policy. | 00:24:20 | |
| And that does come up to the body. | 00:24:26 | |
| Now appeals happen separately. | 00:24:28 | |
| When you no longer work here, when you're let go, So this just. | 00:24:32 | |
| Puts like between. | 00:24:36 | |
| Those two jobs, in my opinion, but. | 00:24:38 | |
| I'll take a motion. | 00:24:41 | |
| And then we can see. | 00:24:42 | |
| Where the Council lies, unless you have any further clarifications on policy. | 00:24:44 | |
| So I will make a motion to approve. | 00:24:53 | |
| Items 9.1 and 9.2. | 00:24:56 | |
| As presented. OK, we have a motion to approve 9.1 and 9.2 as presented. | 00:24:59 | |
| Can I get a second? | 00:25:05 | |
| 2nd. | 00:25:07 | |
| We have a second by Sarah, first by Marty. | 00:25:08 | |
| Discussion. | 00:25:11 | |
| OK, I'm going to do this by roll call. | 00:25:14 | |
| Take No. | 00:25:17 | |
| Aye, Marty, hi. | 00:25:21 | |
| All right, 9.3, were you wanting to discuss the special event fee waiver? | 00:25:24 | |
| Can you just tell us how much the cost is on it? | 00:25:31 | |
| For the public. | 00:25:34 | |
| Since we're discussing it. | 00:25:35 | |
| The cost was $50 and it's for the. | 00:25:39 | |
| 5K. | 00:25:41 | |
| OK, were there any other questions on this one? If not, I need a motion to approve 9.3. | 00:25:42 | |
| I move to approve. | 00:25:49 | |
| Consent item 9.3. | 00:25:50 | |
| OK. Thank you. Brett, can I get a second? | 00:25:52 | |
| Aye. All right. Thank you, Jake. All in favor. | 00:25:54 | |
| Aye. | 00:25:58 | |
| All right, 9.4 this is the Vineyard Loop Rd. discussion and the 300 W parking striking plan. | 00:26:00 | |
| We recently had a discussion about that. We formed a subcommittee to come together and talk about it, to go back and meet with the | 00:26:07 | |
| HOA's. | 00:26:10 | |
| The group met with the HOA's. The HOA's were happy, however today we received a letter. | 00:26:15 | |
| That, uh. | 00:26:20 | |
| From some of the members of one of the HOA's that talked about. | 00:26:20 | |
| Them not necessarily wanting it. I don't know if council. | 00:26:25 | |
| Has anything? | 00:26:29 | |
| One thing that I did want to read to you on this. | 00:26:31 | |
| Actually, and I'll state it from memory and the scene, you can correct me if I'm wrong. | 00:26:34 | |
| But something that I learned was. | 00:26:38 | |
| During the peak hours and this was measured on a Tuesday and I believe the time frame is. | 00:26:41 | |
| We're between 7:00 and 8:00 and 5:00 and 6:00 for peak time. Is that correct? Or was it 4 and 5? | 00:26:46 | |
| It was a 7 and 9:00 AM and. | 00:26:51 | |
| 4:00 to 6:00 PM OK. | 00:26:53 | |
| So right around that frame. | 00:26:55 | |
| About 5 cars turn left. | 00:26:58 | |
| During that time, those times, is that right? | 00:27:01 | |
| That's correct. OK. Additionally, emergency vehicles actually only do a write in right out. Is that correct? | 00:27:04 | |
| OK, I thought it was really fascinating. I don't know if you want to correct me. | 00:27:11 | |
| In the back from. | 00:27:16 | |
| Right, Turn in. Yes. Come up to the microphone. I'm so happy that you're here. | 00:27:18 | |
| This is one of our chief. | 00:27:22 | |
| How to kick this thing on? | 00:27:28 | |
| This is Sean Hurst, assistant Fire Chief with Orem Fire. | 00:27:29 | |
| The question was do we always make right hand turns? Is that the question? Yeah. | 00:27:33 | |
| Into neighborhoods, No. | 00:27:38 | |
| Oh, it depends on where we're approaching. | 00:27:40 | |
| Into the neighborhood. | 00:27:43 | |
| So we obviously prefer to make rights, but. | 00:27:43 | |
| But it's not always the case. Not always the case. Good. I'm glad you corrected that information. | 00:27:47 | |
| Information I got. Thank you. | 00:27:51 | |
| I'm just going to call you too first, but I call you assistant. | 00:27:54 | |
| I'll take that. | 00:27:58 | |
| All right. Sarah, did you have anything that you wanted to report on this if you were the lead liaison for this? | 00:28:02 | |
| Yes, so. | 00:28:10 | |
| So when I was campaigning. | 00:28:12 | |
| This was one of the major things that I promised. | 00:28:14 | |
| That community that I would work to get them more parking. | 00:28:17 | |
| We got 9 emails from residents in the preserve. | 00:28:20 | |
| And I don't know if you've ever tried to. | 00:28:25 | |
| Parked inside the preserve. | 00:28:28 | |
| I'm a frequent shopper on Facebook Marketplace. | 00:28:32 | |
| And I've been in there a couple times and there's literally nowhere extra to park. | 00:28:35 | |
| And so. | 00:28:40 | |
| So I feel like this is really important for them. | 00:28:42 | |
| I I got. | 00:28:45 | |
| The e-mail with all the signatures from the villas I also have. | 00:28:46 | |
| Three people reach out from the village that supported. | 00:28:50 | |
| That changed in the parking on the other side. | 00:28:54 | |
| I mean on Vineyard. | 00:28:58 | |
| And so I feel like that's significant as well. | 00:29:00 | |
| The study showed that it doesn't affect. | 00:29:03 | |
| The villas all that much? | 00:29:06 | |
| To have five people turning left in a 2 hour time frame. | 00:29:07 | |
| Is a smaller. | 00:29:13 | |
| Benefit than having 17 parking stalls for people who desperately need it. | 00:29:15 | |
| And so being consistent with giving my word to help those people have more parking. | 00:29:21 | |
| I will still be supporting. | 00:29:26 | |
| Moving forward with the restriping and the parking on Vineyard Loop. | 00:29:29 | |
| OK. Any other comments, any questions? Would you like to make a motion? | 00:29:35 | |
| Do we have anyone for those that is allowed to talk? We're going to do a public comment period. I know a lot of people can. | 00:29:41 | |
| We're this we already spoke, we already did this last meeting. If there's something that as a representative of them that you | 00:29:49 | |
| have. | 00:29:53 | |
| Additional since you sat on those meetings and you were there as well and you received the e-mail, I'd rather I'd rather them | 00:29:57 | |
| speak, but it's not. | 00:30:00 | |
| If it's out of order, I can. | 00:30:03 | |
| Try and surmise. | 00:30:05 | |
| Yeah, Sarah and I ran. | 00:30:08 | |
| On parking and trying to increase it, but one key thing was to make sure that the HOA's would be the ones that made the decisions | 00:30:11 | |
| in this and it was tough. | 00:30:15 | |
| But I want to speak to both HOA's and their leadership. | 00:30:19 | |
| This is about finding peace. | 00:30:23 | |
| If both sides could agree. | 00:30:25 | |
| Then you want to do it and try to increase parking. | 00:30:27 | |
| Hold up a hand or yell out how many signatures we got from the villas, I guess. | 00:30:31 | |
| 134 people. | 00:30:39 | |
| And I, I know the preserves are very passionate about parking and I, I love their, you know, want to get them that as well. And I | 00:30:41 | |
| got. | 00:30:44 | |
| Nine form emails. | 00:30:48 | |
| But we're the same. I'm sure they would write something good. | 00:30:49 | |
| So 9 to 134. | 00:30:52 | |
| To keep the parking to keep the left hand turn line. But at the same time I don't like the. | 00:30:55 | |
| I didn't like the approach like. | 00:31:01 | |
| We need to find. | 00:31:03 | |
| Piece and I think both Hoas could actually talk. | 00:31:06 | |
| More in the village did a great job and I don't know what the preserves. | 00:31:09 | |
| Meet with them, but I'm sure. | 00:31:12 | |
| They're looking for that. | 00:31:14 | |
| But but I don't want. | 00:31:16 | |
| Us to throw mud on either side because we need to to find peace. | 00:31:18 | |
| I I just think since there isn't at this time I wouldn't be supporting it. | 00:31:23 | |
| Jake, I have a point of clarity for you. | 00:31:27 | |
| Yeah, you mentioned that the goal is to find peace, but I feel like the goal is to find. | 00:31:29 | |
| Mobility that's safe. | 00:31:37 | |
| That achievable for the entire community. | 00:31:40 | |
| To find parking. | 00:31:43 | |
| Hold on that weight that allows people to. | 00:31:44 | |
| Have ease of access. | 00:31:48 | |
| One of my big concerns, as you noted and saw last. | 00:31:49 | |
| Council meeting. | 00:31:53 | |
| So I was really concerned about mobility. | 00:31:54 | |
| And about left hand turns. | 00:31:57 | |
| In seating traffic. | 00:32:00 | |
| As these people wouldn't be able to get out safely. | 00:32:02 | |
| From what I understand from the study. | 00:32:06 | |
| It doesn't appear to be. | 00:32:09 | |
| Heavily weighted in that direction, it appears that in the peak hours. | 00:32:11 | |
| And that's the most traffic during the city. | 00:32:15 | |
| Only there's only 5 left hand turns that were. | 00:32:17 | |
| That we're calculating and so we're saying. | 00:32:21 | |
| And we found that it was safer. | 00:32:25 | |
| To not have the in and out of moving that parking around the left hand turn so. | 00:32:28 | |
| All of the data. | 00:32:34 | |
| For mobility. | 00:32:36 | |
| For ease of flow, for safety. | 00:32:37 | |
| For parking for traffic seems to be. | 00:32:40 | |
| The best for the villas to preserve? | 00:32:44 | |
| And the entire community. | 00:32:48 | |
| If by moving forward with this, it doesn't seem to impede. | 00:32:51 | |
| Those things. So it wasn't necessarily about peace, it was about accomplishing this goal. | 00:32:56 | |
| So in that as we walked around and gathered the 134 signatures, my question is. | 00:33:02 | |
| Where did we come off in these discussions? Because I think you. | 00:33:08 | |
| You had the you did meet on. | 00:33:11 | |
| Were you able to communicate or did anybody? Yeah, we met with Carla and. | 00:33:15 | |
| We met with Carla and it was a great conversation and she took it back to her board and. | 00:33:19 | |
| There's been a lot of accusations that this is a Politico. | 00:33:23 | |
| Meeting at non. | 00:33:27 | |
| People went out and gathered signatures. | 00:33:28 | |
| They overwhelmingly spoke in One Direction. | 00:33:30 | |
| And I ran on just. | 00:33:34 | |
| I'm not the one making decision the citizens shouldn't. | 00:33:35 | |
| They came back resoundingly one way and. | 00:33:38 | |
| Until they can find peace, I would say. | 00:33:41 | |
| Hundreds of people moved into that community with a left hand turn lane until they can find an agreement. I wouldn't. | 00:33:43 | |
| Adjust that even though. | 00:33:49 | |
| I'm sympathetic. | 00:33:51 | |
| But the thing though. | 00:33:52 | |
| I think this is a learning moment. | 00:33:54 | |
| Flagship created a massive parking problem. | 00:33:56 | |
| And uh. | 00:33:59 | |
| It hurts me that both communities are suffering from. | 00:34:00 | |
| I hope the flagship build the preserves. | 00:34:06 | |
| Who are the developers on both sides? | 00:34:11 | |
| It's almost filter preserves and. | 00:34:15 | |
| These are villas built their villas. | 00:34:19 | |
| No, Lisa Fellows did something else, brought by somebody else. | 00:34:22 | |
| But it's planning department, the Villas actually already came in and dealt with their parking and I believe they're satisfied | 00:34:25 | |
| with the agreements that they put in for their current parking arrangement. However, the preserves, we've had to go through | 00:34:30 | |
| several modifications to make sure that the preserves are able to get what they need and we're feeling like this solution right | 00:34:34 | |
| now. | 00:34:39 | |
| Might offer that. | 00:34:44 | |
| I did have a couple questions, one of their concerns I've been reading through. | 00:34:46 | |
| And I wish I could have had more time on all of this. | 00:34:52 | |
| One of my questions. | 00:34:55 | |
| If we were to approve. | 00:34:59 | |
| Whatever we decide tonight. | 00:35:01 | |
| Will there be time to stop Pink? Because I know that you were talking about whether. | 00:35:04 | |
| And cold air, if that's even an option at this point. | 00:35:08 | |
| So when it comes down to striping when the weather goes below degrees then. | 00:35:11 | |
| Playing down after my positive actual. I put the proper thread in that now last year so. | 00:35:16 | |
| Will be very difficult to do, so we're going to the point. | 00:35:21 | |
| The cost of. | 00:35:24 | |
| Where, quite frankly, we are, my department would like to move forward in one way or the other way. | 00:35:26 | |
| So if we don't, if we move, if you're able to move forward with us with this plan. | 00:35:32 | |
| That's great if you don't move. If this plan is not approved, we would rather just move forward with the original plan. | 00:35:37 | |
| Than doing any high modifications were required doing what they call microgrinding. | 00:35:42 | |
| On the roadway with Lisa's car. | 00:35:47 | |
| Or else they would just have to wait until the next period of preservation, which would be scheduled for like maybe 3-4 or five, | 00:35:50 | |
| more likely 5 to 10 years is which, which is what is what we would. | 00:35:54 | |
| Participate on that if any other type of. | 00:35:59 | |
| I'm sorry if any other type of painting would be temporary painting which is very much like water based. | 00:36:03 | |
| Paint. It doesn't last in winter, especially with the wet conditions that we have here. | 00:36:07 | |
| So we're to the point where. | 00:36:11 | |
| The strippers out on the road to Main Street. | 00:36:13 | |
| Looking slowly. | 00:36:16 | |
| In hopes that they can actually get 600 N done as well. | 00:36:18 | |
| Which also means that you can go to the really really crucial crosswalk. | 00:36:22 | |
| For families to get over to the playground on the other side of that finger boot that they. | 00:36:26 | |
| Desperately. | 00:36:31 | |
| So and a really wide. | 00:36:33 | |
| That also would be really beneficial for the whole community. | 00:36:37 | |
| But they couldn't cross. They couldn't paint the crosswalk right now, before winter. | 00:36:39 | |
| Like, why wouldn't they? Why wouldn't they just move forward with the crosswalk now? | 00:36:44 | |
| The crowd, we agree on the left hand turn lane or not the white crosswalk. | 00:36:48 | |
| Lines should be painted either in order to ensure that the crosstalk compliments. | 00:36:53 | |
| The the paving, the striking pattern that's actually laid out. | 00:36:58 | |
| We will want to, we will want to make sure that the cross block is complementary. | 00:37:04 | |
| So this. | 00:37:07 | |
| Proposed striking plan. | 00:37:09 | |
| Has a crosswalk in there that is one way in the free. | 00:37:11 | |
| Are reverting back to their original. | 00:37:15 | |
| That we would just adjust the crosswalk strike into that by itself, so. | 00:37:17 | |
| And then I didn't always do the Crosswalkerism. | 00:37:21 | |
| Actions that we would have to do. | 00:37:24 | |
| Part about again. | 00:37:26 | |
| And it's my understanding too that we have, we currently have the flashers. | 00:37:28 | |
| To do the crosswalk as well. | 00:37:32 | |
| Three other flashes on him. | 00:37:34 | |
| My second question was. | 00:37:36 | |
| As I was reading through the petition that the. | 00:37:39 | |
| Villas have put together. | 00:37:42 | |
| They said that they're concerned about the high public costs. Will you clarify the cost of adding 17? | 00:37:46 | |
| Parking slots. | 00:37:51 | |
| The cost for that would be minimal. It's within our striking budget, I think. | 00:37:55 | |
| The master we would do is we would just ensure that the. | 00:38:00 | |
| Parking stalls are measured properly. | 00:38:03 | |
| And placed in the right positions in order to ensure for. | 00:38:05 | |
| Attention to the advisory plans, we're talking maybe about $1200 in serving costs. | 00:38:09 | |
| If that to not do it right now, what is the loss? | 00:38:14 | |
| If we are not able to strike. | 00:38:20 | |
| Before the winter time, that's a liability to the city. I mean we carry or we've gone private with the liability in terms of not | 00:38:22 | |
| having. | 00:38:26 | |
| Well, we would do striking but not the additional parking is what I mean. So if we don't do, if we are not, if we don't move | 00:38:30 | |
| forward. | 00:38:33 | |
| Anything else and go back to the original. | 00:38:36 | |
| Plan if and then the cost would be to. | 00:38:38 | |
| And any changes in the future we would have to do. | 00:38:41 | |
| Grind out this driving. | 00:38:44 | |
| Which is a heavy cost there because that would be done by contract. | 00:38:46 | |
| And. | 00:38:50 | |
| The additional striking work and if. | 00:38:52 | |
| The scars caused you whatever. | 00:38:54 | |
| That was from the grinding that causes too much of A scar and we would try to do a patch seal on top of that, which is the terrain | 00:38:57 | |
| pavement. | 00:39:00 | |
| So in essence, what you're doing is. | 00:39:03 | |
| You're causing deterioration through the assault pavement. | 00:39:05 | |
| Every you know, we typically don't want to do. For example, there's areas that. | 00:39:08 | |
| Orange City is planning on doing some. | 00:39:12 | |
| Micro micro grinding. | 00:39:15 | |
| On the road, but they have plans on resurfacing that road the following year. | 00:39:17 | |
| Not that so. | 00:39:22 | |
| My last day we. | 00:39:25 | |
| We did our own grinding and. | 00:39:26 | |
| Striping, yeah. | 00:39:28 | |
| And we did an analysis. It was costly just to do in house. | 00:39:29 | |
| To get a contract I don't know the cost of cop I have. | 00:39:33 | |
| Do you remember we mentioned that last meeting that an estimated cost? | 00:39:37 | |
| Is there 100,000? OK, so that would be. | 00:39:44 | |
| So I'm sorry. | 00:39:46 | |
| To pull the trigger. | 00:39:49 | |
| On that, through the appropriately we would have to. | 00:39:53 | |
| To be a proper we would do have to do that. | 00:39:57 | |
| Pavement can I ask as a pavement preservation where we reseal the. | 00:39:59 | |
| Pavement and then do that. So we would, yeah, we would probably be looking at about. | 00:40:03 | |
| Maybe anywhere from 125 to maybe 150,000. Trusted because we're not talking about this. | 00:40:07 | |
| North. | 00:40:12 | |
| Disability and other routes as well. | 00:40:14 | |
| OK. Did you have another question ready? You said you did the. | 00:40:17 | |
| So the bike lane. | 00:40:23 | |
| I understand. | 00:40:27 | |
| And that we are going to be incurred or. | 00:40:28 | |
| The purposes of the plan would be. | 00:40:31 | |
| To encourage bikers to use the trail on the South side and we're building a bike lane. | 00:40:33 | |
| That's going to go hand in hand with. | 00:40:38 | |
| Excuse me, the. | 00:40:40 | |
| The parallel parking. | 00:40:43 | |
| As an active transportation committee. | 00:40:46 | |
| I do wonder if that's the safest place for a bike lane. | 00:40:49 | |
| With potential car doors opening. | 00:40:53 | |
| One, bicycles are coming through and they're not as visible. | 00:40:56 | |
| So and uh. | 00:41:05 | |
| In regards to you. | 00:41:07 | |
| In regards to I guess the separation, we did include that elite, we did account for the separation to try to ensure that there was | 00:41:08 | |
| a reliance on that. I mean, it's, it's again, it's a balance between. | 00:41:14 | |
| The IT has the way of the. | 00:41:20 | |
| On the north side where the cars are. | 00:41:25 | |
| Apart from the in essence is just a what they call like a burn lane. | 00:41:27 | |
| Where you see you see those very common around other cities. | 00:41:31 | |
| The right references that we have actually Parkinson's painted where other cities don't have Parkinson's painted. | 00:41:35 | |
| And then the background is placed on that I'll talk about. | 00:41:40 | |
| The nice thing about that is it. | 00:41:43 | |
| Provides and does. | 00:41:45 | |
| You want your. What we're trying to do is we're trying to minimize conflicts as much as possible. | 00:41:47 | |
| So typically when cars are driving. | 00:41:51 | |
| And Morgan, correct me if I'm wrong, and Anthony, who are the actors that comes to the Vice? | 00:41:53 | |
| Bicycles, but. | 00:41:58 | |
| When cars are. | 00:41:59 | |
| My cars are traveling and. | 00:42:02 | |
| On the side of the road where there is. | 00:42:04 | |
| Parked cars or any other obstructions, they tend to drive a little slower being. | 00:42:07 | |
| Being a little bit more cautious. | 00:42:11 | |
| I know of myself. | 00:42:13 | |
| Just the other day I was in parking lot and. | 00:42:14 | |
| I started opening up my car door to another car that decided that they want to drive right next to me and. | 00:42:17 | |
| Luckily they were being more cautious while they were next to me and. | 00:42:21 | |
| Yeah, they were able to stop before I lost my door. | 00:42:24 | |
| And for another. | 00:42:28 | |
| Had another insurance claim on my car. | 00:42:29 | |
| But the. | 00:42:31 | |
| Scientifically, we do find out and then we did try to increase in large increase the. | 00:42:34 | |
| I have a bike lane as large as possible. | 00:42:39 | |
| To ensure that, you know, bicyclists have a comfort of safety as well. | 00:42:42 | |
| So those are my questions. | 00:42:46 | |
| Council, I need a motion on this. | 00:42:50 | |
| So we can keep moving through the agenda. Well, I do have some concerns. | 00:42:52 | |
| OK, umm. | 00:42:56 | |
| I wanted those people heard. | 00:42:58 | |
| Because I've had the same concerns you guys have. | 00:43:00 | |
| But I also believe that if we were to take a petition saying all the opposite things. | 00:43:03 | |
| To the preserves, we'd have an equal amount of people saying. | 00:43:08 | |
| We want the parking. | 00:43:12 | |
| And I've heard. | 00:43:14 | |
| We had a study. | 00:43:15 | |
| Showing that it's safe and you your petition didn't show that to the residents. | 00:43:17 | |
| The specific study wasn't shared. | 00:43:22 | |
| And so my instinct would be let's give it more time. | 00:43:25 | |
| But it doesn't sound like I can do that without putting the city at risk. | 00:43:29 | |
| And so. | 00:43:33 | |
| This is kind of a no win situation. | 00:43:34 | |
| It's it's. | 00:43:36 | |
| It's not fun. | 00:43:39 | |
| Either way, I **** ***. | 00:43:41 | |
| A lot of people. | 00:43:43 | |
| So I am. | 00:43:44 | |
| Leering towards and I'd like to hear my other council members. | 00:43:46 | |
| Opinions that haven't spoken up, but. | 00:43:50 | |
| I'm gearing towards. | 00:43:53 | |
| It makes sense. | 00:43:55 | |
| To me, if we're going to put any parking on the road. | 00:43:56 | |
| That if we are. | 00:44:00 | |
| Maneuvering and not having a consistent round of parking spots. | 00:44:01 | |
| To me that seems less safe. | 00:44:05 | |
| And with the speed limit only being 25 mph. | 00:44:07 | |
| I think it would be worth looking in two ways. If they're not, if people are continuous feeding. | 00:44:10 | |
| You know, you're telling me that this is somewhat traffic calming as well? | 00:44:16 | |
| But we just need more solutions so that our Rd. is kept safe. | 00:44:21 | |
| This is a really. | 00:44:27 | |
| Crappy decision. I think one of the wise things that you said was. | 00:44:29 | |
| And This is why I. | 00:44:33 | |
| I pointed out. | 00:44:34 | |
| We set up here as representatives of all of the people that live in our community, and sometimes people bring petitions, and | 00:44:36 | |
| that's why we hire people who do studies and bring U.S. data. | 00:44:41 | |
| So that we can hear the voice of the people. | 00:44:47 | |
| We can understand your concerns. | 00:44:50 | |
| And then we can weigh. | 00:44:52 | |
| Against the data that is available. | 00:44:55 | |
| And then we have to make very hard decisions and sometimes. | 00:44:57 | |
| That means it's in favor of one group, and sometimes it's in favor of. | 00:45:01 | |
| Other group and the reality is. | 00:45:05 | |
| And the goal is that it is the best opportunity for the community. | 00:45:08 | |
| And I think that's what we're doing here tonight. | 00:45:12 | |
| So if you don't feel like it's the best opportunity for the community. | 00:45:14 | |
| To do this additional striping. | 00:45:17 | |
| I would recommend you vote against it and if you feel like it is the best opportunity then I feel like you should vote in favor | 00:45:19 | |
| for it. | 00:45:22 | |
| Council, do you have any other comments or questions or thoughts? Otherwise I need a motion. | 00:45:26 | |
| The one that I think we've already addressed one of those. | 00:45:31 | |
| Is that the position had four very specific safety concerns. | 00:45:34 | |
| And I'd like to hear if. | 00:45:39 | |
| In a counter to those to say, well are these? | 00:45:42 | |
| Real concerns. | 00:45:47 | |
| How are they mitigated in the current plan? | 00:45:48 | |
| That's something that I would love to hear. | 00:45:50 | |
| All right, so Marty brought up a few of them, but if we could be concise about our response to this, let's. | 00:45:52 | |
| Drop the four, Brett. Can you name them? | 00:45:57 | |
| Yeah, it says. We'll have pedestrians, including children, walking or running into oncoming traffic. | 00:46:00 | |
| And will have drivers and rear seating passengers, including children opening car doors. | 00:46:07 | |
| Parked cars into traffic and into the bike lane. | 00:46:14 | |
| At parallel, parked cars will provide hidden blind avenues for for children and animals. | 00:46:18 | |
| To enter into traffic. | 00:46:24 | |
| And we'll have cars stopping and backing into. | 00:46:26 | |
| Traffic as their parallel parking. | 00:46:31 | |
| OK, those were the concerns. Can we concisely? | 00:46:34 | |
| Talk about what the studies say or how. | 00:46:38 | |
| Come on up. | 00:46:44 | |
| Eager. | 00:46:45 | |
| So we've got our community development director and we've got our engineer coming. Yeah, I don't believe that the study touched | 00:46:56 | |
| upon like, like those, those safety type aspects. | 00:47:01 | |
| But on the other hand. | 00:47:05 | |
| Wherever you create create vertical friction in a roadway car slow down. | 00:47:07 | |
| And so you do have that kind of on the opposite side. | 00:47:12 | |
| And so I don't know, it's gonna be hard for me to talk about. | 00:47:15 | |
| Like what? The likelihood? The percentage? | 00:47:19 | |
| That a kid could run out in a given day between cars, but at that that. | 00:47:21 | |
| Could it could happen really anywhere? | 00:47:26 | |
| But 300 W would be a good example. Yeah, 300 W is a really good example. So I don't know if we've had any, any incidents of | 00:47:29 | |
| collisions. I mean, we hope the report that we pull for our active transportation Commission didn't show. | 00:47:35 | |
| But yeah, I don't know. I mean, there's always a chance on something could, could happen. | 00:47:42 | |
| And in any given situation, but typically in St. designing, when you put. | 00:47:47 | |
| When you put parking and bolt out on streets and you, you and you. | 00:47:52 | |
| Kind of decrease this, the overall width car slow down quite a bit. | 00:47:56 | |
| And it makes it a lot safer, especially you have a crosswalk with people crossing to a park, you have a bolt out and you have the | 00:48:00 | |
| the indicators. | 00:48:04 | |
| To warn people. That creates a very safe environment. | 00:48:08 | |
| Pedestrian. Yeah, for pedestrians, but I can't really speak to kids. | 00:48:11 | |
| And if the kid jumps out of a car and runs, I mean, that's. | 00:48:14 | |
| I've had, I've had little boys. | 00:48:17 | |
| That's lower traffic you're saying is better. OK, missing as an engineer, did you have anything to add to that? | 00:48:20 | |
| Now Morgan stood up pretty well. I mean, again with I think we did talk about the bicycle cars opening up the bicycle lanes again, | 00:48:28 | |
| it's. | 00:48:32 | |
| Comes down to. | 00:48:35 | |
| I was taught this situational awareness. | 00:48:38 | |
| In terms of those type of things, so. | 00:48:40 | |
| But in terms of? | 00:48:42 | |
| Like cars? | 00:48:44 | |
| Stopping, slowing down and putting reverse, I mean there's other cities around here that. | 00:48:46 | |
| And again, they have what they consider like the wide shoulders. | 00:48:51 | |
| Which is the end of your Berlin lanes? | 00:48:54 | |
| Where cars park. | 00:48:56 | |
| Very frequently, especially and solar roads. | 00:48:58 | |
| And it comes down to. | 00:49:01 | |
| Else when Morgan was talking about helps promote. | 00:49:04 | |
| Vehicles to, you know, slow down, take it. | 00:49:07 | |
| In essence, take a moment to ensure that you know. | 00:49:10 | |
| Their safety, everyone else's safety's been done, but the other aspect comes out is we are. | 00:49:14 | |
| You know, we're moving forward activate with the mid block crossing. | 00:49:18 | |
| Just where the Pocket Park is. | 00:49:22 | |
| Springs Park Springs Park is so there's going to be a program crosswalk. | 00:49:25 | |
| For people to utilize which has to fail to which connected trails and sidewalks in the park. | 00:49:29 | |
| As well and then. | 00:49:34 | |
| Accounting for the. | 00:49:36 | |
| The traffic signal to be that's going to be put into 600 N and Main St. as well where so cars, the flow cars coming out. | 00:49:38 | |
| Will be more controlled and which? | 00:49:47 | |
| I was out of work for a while. | 00:49:50 | |
| Rockwell. | 00:49:55 | |
| There we go. Thank you. | 00:49:57 | |
| That. | 00:49:58 | |
| And that helps reduce driver frustration. And when drivers get frustrated, they they, they end up speeding. | 00:50:00 | |
| End up being so. | 00:50:06 | |
| We're making movements in terms of addressing a lot of the. | 00:50:07 | |
| That turns along that corridor. | 00:50:10 | |
| With additional. | 00:50:13 | |
| And in essence, those additional steps. | 00:50:15 | |
| That's all so. | 00:50:17 | |
| And then let's see what what is the width of the of the bike lane student, do you remember right off? | 00:50:19 | |
| Because something that that, that we could, yeah. I mean that 6 feet is a pretty healthy size. | 00:50:27 | |
| By bike lanes, so. | 00:50:34 | |
| Maybe an option too is to to analyze it. | 00:50:35 | |
| And if we do see issues? | 00:50:38 | |
| With with the the car doors and and bicycle movement, I think the. | 00:50:40 | |
| Parking stall with is 8. | 00:50:45 | |
| Correct. Yeah, so and does that is that. | 00:50:48 | |
| The gutter pan as well. | 00:50:51 | |
| So. | 00:50:53 | |
| But they got a pound. | 00:50:56 | |
| So maybe maybe an option to look at for if we do like a phase two or do an improvement is simply taking like a foot out of the the | 00:50:57 | |
| bike lane. | 00:51:01 | |
| Still have a 5 foot bike LAN. There's some that are 3 or 4 feet. | 00:51:06 | |
| 5 feet, I would say, like you don't want to go less than that, but. | 00:51:09 | |
| You could do like a like a buffer strip just to provide a little bit more clear indication like, you know, move over. | 00:51:12 | |
| So that that that's always an option because 6 feet is is a decent size and you could you could go down to five and still be. | 00:51:19 | |
| Pretty good, pretty good, OK. | 00:51:24 | |
| That's really interesting. Plus they have parking on most streets that deal with us where you most streets were backing out or | 00:51:26 | |
| pulling out into traffic at some point. At 300 W is another one where people are asking for parking along the roadways, but. | 00:51:33 | |
| That that's probably going to happen on everything. Did that answer your questions for it? Yes, I have one follow up. Is there a | 00:51:40 | |
| timeline for the crosswalk flasher install? | 00:51:45 | |
| That would be a that's a capital project that I'll ask the same. | 00:51:53 | |
| So for installing the. | 00:51:55 | |
| The flashers on the crosswalk, with that, with that. | 00:51:58 | |
| Be installed with. | 00:52:01 | |
| The striping or would that come in the next? | 00:52:02 | |
| Like in the springtime. | 00:52:05 | |
| We anticipate to install the crosswalks of Flashes within next month. | 00:52:08 | |
| So I mean so the flashes would go in at the same time. | 00:52:12 | |
| I mean if. | 00:52:17 | |
| Yeah, follow on. | 00:52:18 | |
| OK. | 00:52:20 | |
| With that I need a motion. | 00:52:22 | |
| I'll give it a shot. | 00:52:28 | |
| Thanks Sarah. I move to approve consent item 9 points. | 00:52:29 | |
| For as presented. | 00:52:33 | |
| All right. Can I just have one clarification? I just. | 00:52:37 | |
| Quick question, Mr. Marty 300 W. | 00:52:39 | |
| Doesn't have a middle lane. | 00:52:41 | |
| It's going to not have anything so. | 00:52:44 | |
| 300 W does have the center lane. | 00:52:46 | |
| The restructuring for 300 W, which will not happen this year. | 00:52:50 | |
| It'll happen during the. | 00:52:53 | |
| During the program, the planned resurfacing during the rest. | 00:52:56 | |
| Add the old, remove this airline and then put the bike. | 00:53:00 | |
| I keep forgetting what's called, but it's where we're. | 00:53:03 | |
| That's wide enough for two bikes to grow in the off the directions. | 00:53:06 | |
| A cycle track. There we go cycle track. | 00:53:09 | |
| On one side. Thank you. | 00:53:11 | |
| I just want to point for clarification so this. | 00:53:13 | |
| We're voting not on 300 W, we've already all agree on that, right? | 00:53:16 | |
| This is only Vineyard Loop Rd. | 00:53:20 | |
| On that, we're voting on all of that. | 00:53:23 | |
| Well, I thought we had already found a consensus last meeting that 300 W isn't isn't. | 00:53:25 | |
| Being it's one item, oh, we're voting for it, but it's not being paid for this year. | 00:53:32 | |
| So is only. | 00:53:37 | |
| The contentious part is just the Vineyard Loop Rd. | 00:53:40 | |
| Right. Yeah, If you were going to make a stipulation or a change, you would want to do it on this. | 00:53:43 | |
| Portion that we're discussing because it seems that everybody agrees that parking should happen on the other side. OK, I just want | 00:53:47 | |
| to make sure that. | 00:53:51 | |
| Do we have to say that or word that? You would have to say that. | 00:53:55 | |
| OK, so we have Sarah. | 00:53:58 | |
| Yeah, so Sarah is. | 00:54:03 | |
| Made a motion to approve it as it's presented. | 00:54:06 | |
| Is there a second for that? | 00:54:11 | |
| Yeah, I'll second it. | 00:54:13 | |
| OK, so we have a 1st and we have a second. | 00:54:15 | |
| And Jake, you are wanting to. | 00:54:18 | |
| The discussion is that you're wanting to make that change. Do I need to vote all in favor, Jamie? And then? | 00:54:22 | |
| Take the change if. | 00:54:28 | |
| Noted. | 00:54:29 | |
| I mean if it's. | 00:54:30 | |
| Yeah, if you guys have the. | 00:54:32 | |
| Then you can just vote as is, but. | 00:54:33 | |
| OK, because I I just, I'm OK with, I mean, I want parking at 300 W, right? | 00:54:35 | |
| So I'm OK with that. I just. | 00:54:41 | |
| Since we're on agreement, I would like this to be the vote for just. | 00:54:44 | |
| I'd make a motion to. | 00:54:48 | |
| Remove 300 W. | 00:54:54 | |
| And uh. | 00:54:56 | |
| Trauma. | 00:54:58 | |
| So we have a motion on the table and we have a second. I'm going to go ahead and or can I make a motion to approve 300 W parking | 00:55:01 | |
| striping plan? | 00:55:04 | |
| So that one passes. | 00:55:08 | |
| You could ask for a friendly amendment if you guys want to make that friendly amendment. Can I make sure I'm clear what's happened | 00:55:10 | |
| procedurally? | 00:55:14 | |
| The the original motion and second was. | 00:55:18 | |
| As presented. As presented. Mm-hmm. | 00:55:21 | |
| And Jake's asking for what you're asking for is either a request for a friendly amendment or a counter motion. | 00:55:23 | |
| Yes. | 00:55:30 | |
| Yeah. So a friendly amendment would be to just let's vote on 300 W. | 00:55:32 | |
| So the friendly amendment would need to be accepted by the person that made. | 00:55:37 | |
| The original motion. | 00:55:41 | |
| So I guess you wanna accept it. | 00:55:42 | |
| Then you would have to see whether they're. | 00:55:45 | |
| Is a second on the counter motion. | 00:55:47 | |
| OK. Sarah, did you want to make an amendment? | 00:55:50 | |
| Either way, threat. | 00:55:53 | |
| Yeah, no. | 00:55:54 | |
| All right. So Jamie, do I take a second for the counter motion and then? | 00:55:56 | |
| Go back and do the first motion if there's no second on the counter. | 00:56:02 | |
| OK. Jake's kind of Russian is that he wants to divide this vote. | 00:56:05 | |
| First, he wants to be able to say yes to the 300 parking. Is that correct? Yeah. | 00:56:10 | |
| And then he wants to vote. | 00:56:15 | |
| On another motion. | 00:56:16 | |
| Or. | 00:56:18 | |
| And have that discussion afterwards. | 00:56:20 | |
| Take. Another option would be for your counters that you're saying yes to 1 and no to the other. | 00:56:25 | |
| Correct. OK. Are you? | 00:56:31 | |
| OK, with that motion. | 00:56:33 | |
| Of separating, yeah. | 00:56:35 | |
| Amount of separating of saying yes to 300 and no to the second correct? | 00:56:36 | |
| OK. | 00:56:41 | |
| Is there a second for the counter motion? | 00:56:43 | |
| OK. There's no second for the counter motion, so I'm going to go back to the first medicine. We had a first by Sarah. | 00:56:48 | |
| And a second by Marty, is that correct? | 00:56:53 | |
| Yeah. All right. | 00:56:55 | |
| I'm going to. | 00:56:57 | |
| Can I do this by all in favor? Do I need to do it by roll call? | 00:56:59 | |
| I'm going to do it by roll call, Jay. | 00:57:04 | |
| No that. | 00:57:06 | |
| Aye, aye, Marty. | 00:57:08 | |
| Hi, Sarah. | 00:57:09 | |
| All right, carried. | 00:57:10 | |
| All right, I'm going to do. | 00:57:12 | |
| We're going to go out of order for just a minute, actually. | 00:57:15 | |
| Was anybody wanting to make public? | 00:57:17 | |
| For something not related to the agenda. | 00:57:21 | |
| OK, raise your hand if you want to make a comment not related to items on the agenda. | 00:57:24 | |
| 123. | 00:57:29 | |
| Three, come on up, let's open public comment and let's do that right now. Tony, can you set a 2 minute timer on the clock? | 00:57:31 | |
| For each comment. | 00:57:37 | |
| Daria Evans. | 00:57:52 | |
| Villas resident. | 00:57:53 | |
| I would like to thank Devin Peterson from our Public Works department for getting the. | 00:57:59 | |
| Answers to my water questions. | 00:58:03 | |
| Of a couple months ago. | 00:58:06 | |
| Sometimes it takes time, and I'm glad that he was able to. | 00:58:08 | |
| Get the answers for me, I really appreciate. | 00:58:12 | |
| The effort I did ask a lot of questions. | 00:58:14 | |
| And I did get those answers. So kudos to Devon. He's on his way to vacation. | 00:58:17 | |
| I would also like to thank Marty Sisuentes. | 00:58:22 | |
| For putting me into contact with Becca. | 00:58:25 | |
| Utah Sheriff's community coordinator. | 00:58:28 | |
| About upcoming youth projects, I have been able to forward those communications to the proper people, so thank you. | 00:58:31 | |
| I would just like to also say I am disappointed in the outcome of that previous. | 00:58:40 | |
| Item. | 00:58:44 | |
| Thank you so much, Daria. | 00:58:46 | |
| Kim, we got another one, OK. | 00:58:49 | |
| I have a. | 00:58:56 | |
| Elected. | 00:58:58 | |
| To not attend council meetings for the last month and 1/2 or two. I send my wife and then she gives me a thumbnail. | 00:58:59 | |
| Sketch after she gets home. | 00:59:05 | |
| I just. | 00:59:07 | |
| Got fed up? | 00:59:09 | |
| With what was going on with the Council. | 00:59:10 | |
| I guess I'm. | 00:59:14 | |
| Assuming that November will have a say in what goes on, so I'll leave that at that. | 00:59:15 | |
| Kim Cornelius, village resident. | 00:59:21 | |
| I am not here as a political member. | 00:59:23 | |
| Although I will say that I'm an administrator. | 00:59:26 | |
| Administrator on the Facebook Political. | 00:59:28 | |
| Page. | 00:59:30 | |
| As I signed in tonight, I signed in as the village resident. | 00:59:33 | |
| Not as a political member. | 00:59:36 | |
| As we circulated the petition. | 00:59:39 | |
| For the parking thing, just just a slight little thing about that. | 00:59:41 | |
| Jacob is correct. | 00:59:44 | |
| We had four people circulate those. Not one of them was a political member. | 00:59:46 | |
| I'll leave that alone. | 00:59:50 | |
| I did sit through 9 1/2 hours of general conference this last weekend. | 00:59:51 | |
| I was thrilled at the messages. | 00:59:57 | |
| Peacemaking. | 00:59:59 | |
| Getting along, being kind, being benevolent. | 01:00:00 | |
| And then I reflected over the last two years sitting in this room. | 01:00:06 | |
| One of the interesting things is that you have now have a code of conduct. | 01:00:12 | |
| That governs. | 01:00:15 | |
| The five of you. | 01:00:18 | |
| I'm wondering why we don't have a code of conduct for the relationship between the council members and the public. | 01:00:21 | |
| That would be very helpful if you did, because that might help Councilwoman Cameron. | 01:00:29 | |
| Hold back some of the things that she says about the constituents in our city. | 01:00:34 | |
| I am extremely tired. | 01:00:39 | |
| But my wife being called a hypocrite? | 01:00:41 | |
| I am tired of her being called a liar because she expresses her opinions. | 01:00:44 | |
| I just think we need to have some decorum. | 01:00:52 | |
| In order to even get close to bringing the temperature down in Vineyard. | 01:00:55 | |
| And I think that's where we need to be. | 01:00:58 | |
| Just one other thing I hope. | 01:01:02 | |
| With the vote you took tonight. | 01:01:03 | |
| That no litigation ever comes to your. | 01:01:05 | |
| Closed door meetings. | 01:01:08 | |
| With respect to somebody getting hurt severely on Vineyard Loop Rd. | 01:01:09 | |
| I don't know if you will do it or not, but I have a hard copy copy of that petition. I would like to have that interview in the | 01:01:14 | |
| record. | 01:01:16 | |
| Exactly what you got already today by e-mail from me. | 01:01:21 | |
| Can you pass the standard please? | 01:01:25 | |
| Thank you, Kim. Thank you. | 01:01:26 | |
| Come on up. | 01:01:30 | |
| Say your name. | 01:01:31 | |
| Hi, ma'am, My name's Larry O'Donnell. | 01:01:37 | |
| I live in the village. | 01:01:40 | |
| Did you say we could not talk about things that are on the agenda or that we could? | 01:01:45 | |
| Well, is there something that you would like to address? | 01:01:52 | |
| Just one, you've already voted. | 01:01:55 | |
| You did the study. | 01:02:03 | |
| I should tell you something about old people. | 01:02:05 | |
| And that is, we don't go out. | 01:02:08 | |
| During the heavy traffic times. | 01:02:10 | |
| Because we get to choose. | 01:02:13 | |
| When we go out. | 01:02:15 | |
| And so we don't want to go out then. | 01:02:16 | |
| We like to live. | 01:02:18 | |
| I am not always able to see well. | 01:02:20 | |
| But I'm grateful that I can see kids that already run off of sidewalks away from their moms. | 01:02:26 | |
| Out into the median. | 01:02:33 | |
| And into the street. | 01:02:35 | |
| I wouldn't have a chance. | 01:02:37 | |
| In between cars. | 01:02:39 | |
| So for me. | 01:02:43 | |
| I would rather. | 01:02:45 | |
| Not have that option. | 01:02:46 | |
| And have the consequences from it. I think there were enough safety concerns. | 01:02:50 | |
| And when you get older? | 01:02:55 | |
| They get to be tested. | 01:02:58 | |
| Dementia test is. | 01:03:00 | |
| I think. | 01:03:02 | |
| That the question. | 01:03:03 | |
| About restriping would be great for dementia testing. | 01:03:05 | |
| Because to me it's obvious. | 01:03:10 | |
| They already listed the things that. | 01:03:13 | |
| Or safety concerns. | 01:03:16 | |
| But you made another decision. | 01:03:18 | |
| I'm sorry. | 01:03:20 | |
| I will definitely be sorry. | 01:03:22 | |
| If someone gets hurt. | 01:03:24 | |
| Otherwise. | 01:03:27 | |
| Thank you for the time. | 01:03:28 | |
| Thank you. | 01:03:30 | |
| Tyler. | 01:03:33 | |
| Were you going to come up? | 01:03:35 | |
| All right, darling, come on. | 01:03:38 | |
| Darlene Price Villas. | 01:03:45 | |
| I feel like I'm a voice in the wilderness because. | 01:03:48 | |
| I have seen nothing happen. | 01:03:53 | |
| Last week on a Thursday. | 01:03:55 | |
| I was pacing a young man who was on a. | 01:03:57 | |
| One of those little motorized stand up scooters. He was going 45 miles an hour on the sidewalk. | 01:04:00 | |
| And I paced him knowing that. | 01:04:07 | |
| Our mileage for our cars is not 45. | 01:04:10 | |
| He is not the only one. | 01:04:15 | |
| That uses the sidewalk. | 01:04:16 | |
| I can't remember if there is a. | 01:04:19 | |
| Is there a bike lane on? | 01:04:21 | |
| Thanks, North. | 01:04:26 | |
| Is there a bike lane on? | 01:04:28 | |
| The next one over that goes to the. | 01:04:30 | |
| To the lake. I can't remember if there's one, but if there's not. | 01:04:32 | |
| Then I have a child going 45 miles an hour on the sidewalk. | 01:04:36 | |
| No helmet. | 01:04:40 | |
| No pads and people getting out of his way while he's doing that. | 01:04:41 | |
| And now we want to close in the parking. | 01:04:46 | |
| On a on Vineyard. | 01:04:49 | |
| And put parking so cars are coming out. We've got a bike lane. | 01:04:51 | |
| Behind the cars. | 01:04:55 | |
| I think we're just looking for. | 01:04:57 | |
| Accidents to happen, I really do. | 01:04:59 | |
| And I am not. | 01:05:01 | |
| Encouraged. | 01:05:03 | |
| By you knowing what? | 01:05:05 | |
| With the people begin and how what the people believe. | 01:05:06 | |
| And what the car count is using that? | 01:05:11 | |
| Lane using that for going to and from work. | 01:05:14 | |
| And we're still voting for something that we think is is right. | 01:05:18 | |
| For us, that is dangerous for our kids. | 01:05:21 | |
| OK. | 01:05:26 | |
| Quick question before you present. | 01:05:35 | |
| Yeah. Are you presenting what you presented last week? | 01:05:36 | |
| Kind of asking you what the status is as part of OK. | 01:05:40 | |
| I did want to give you an update. | 01:05:44 | |
| So that's why I was asking. | 01:05:46 | |
| 4:00 on. | 01:05:47 | |
| Our staff. | 01:05:49 | |
| Was able to meet with Oren. | 01:05:51 | |
| And it looks like your commentary did have take root and they are more willing to. | 01:05:52 | |
| Start that striping earlier and work on that project together. | 01:05:59 | |
| With us. And so we're going to see that coming forward. I don't have the timeline right in front of me, but. | 01:06:03 | |
| You could talk to him a scene in the back and we'll get that. | 01:06:07 | |
| And put out there for the public so that they can see that timeline as well. | 01:06:10 | |
| Great. Is there something else that you wanted to comment on? | 01:06:13 | |
| I did have another question on that. | 01:06:16 | |
| Usually striping. Is that just paint or would you have vertical separation too? | 01:06:17 | |
| That was a good question, Nasim. Will there be vertical separation as well? | 01:06:22 | |
| The plan that the home city providers does not have that assistance to pay for the bike lanes. | 01:06:29 | |
| Yeah, but we could tell you. | 01:06:34 | |
| And make it available so the public can see. | 01:06:36 | |
| Great. Awesome. | 01:06:38 | |
| Yeah, umm. | 01:06:40 | |
| Well, I guess. | 01:06:42 | |
| Probably start my 2 minutes. | 01:06:43 | |
| So my comments on that would be. | 01:06:45 | |
| Now as I asked Oren. | 01:06:47 | |
| Paint is great. | 01:06:50 | |
| But I think that vertical. | 01:06:51 | |
| Separation like barrels or something like that is more important. | 01:06:52 | |
| You know if a bridge went out and someone went off the side. | 01:06:56 | |
| We would not paint a line. | 01:06:59 | |
| And then call it good, we put up barrels, right? | 01:07:01 | |
| I was driving down there. | 01:07:05 | |
| I went to day before I came here. | 01:07:06 | |
| Drove down that road, no vertical separation as I'm driving up Center St. to come back to my. | 01:07:09 | |
| My house. | 01:07:15 | |
| Next to another park, another elementary school, there's a bunch of construction workers with bollards. | 01:07:17 | |
| They had blocked off. | 01:07:22 | |
| One of the lanes. | 01:07:24 | |
| To protect them with bollards. | 01:07:25 | |
| Right and. | 01:07:27 | |
| You know, I know you've got to work with Orem and that sort of thing. | 01:07:29 | |
| So I don't mean to be too harsh, but. | 01:07:32 | |
| That's kind of the main thing that I'm looking for is is the vertical separation, not the striping. | 01:07:34 | |
| Another question would be where we're at with having a. | 01:07:39 | |
| I had recommended a policy. | 01:07:43 | |
| Procedural type things so that this is automated and I don't have to come. | 01:07:45 | |
| To every meeting for these sorts of. | 01:07:49 | |
| Thanks. | 01:07:51 | |
| That's that's a good question when you. | 01:07:52 | |
| What we'll do is we'll sit down and we'll have you talk to Nathan and we'll come up with where we're at. | 01:07:55 | |
| And if there's a policy that can come forward that. | 01:08:00 | |
| If we already have something. | 01:08:03 | |
| We'll start to and then, if not, we'll bring it. | 01:08:04 | |
| We'll bring it forth. There's a good suggestion. | 01:08:07 | |
| So thanks. Thank you. My last sorry I did have a comment on. | 01:08:09 | |
| But it's been talked about, happens to be about safety and parking and that sort of thing. | 01:08:13 | |
| I think that this policy would be a great way to. | 01:08:19 | |
| Actually put things to the test. It looks like we've got a. | 01:08:22 | |
| Or sounds like we've got a study. | 01:08:25 | |
| That is. | 01:08:27 | |
| System, what we think would happen, what we're predicting into the future. | 01:08:28 | |
| We've got people who say we were predicting that it's going to be really unsafe. | 01:08:31 | |
| I think great solution is to put up a bunch of cones and vertical barriers in the formation that we think we should do. | 01:08:35 | |
| And if it makes people less safe, then we take them back down. We do a different thing. | 01:08:41 | |
| And if it makes people more safe. | 01:08:45 | |
| Then we keep it and we make it permanent with concrete and paint and that sort of thing. | 01:08:46 | |
| Thank you. | 01:08:50 | |
| Thanks. All right. | 01:08:51 | |
| Just some cleanup as I mentioned to you. | 01:08:54 | |
| Oh, come on. | 01:08:57 | |
| Sorry. | 01:08:58 | |
| Barbara Porter Hamptons. | 01:08:59 | |
| I do not travel that road. | 01:09:02 | |
| So I really don't know. | 01:09:04 | |
| The safety or not? | 01:09:08 | |
| But I just wanted to bring that. | 01:09:10 | |
| That, umm. | 01:09:12 | |
| I know it. | 01:09:13 | |
| It people are just coming out, the only way is to come back out. | 01:09:14 | |
| So if they are facing West. | 01:09:18 | |
| Part those people are going to just make a U-turn coming out of their parking spot. | 01:09:22 | |
| So I just want. | 01:09:29 | |
| You guys realize that is what's going to happen? | 01:09:31 | |
| They're not going to go down and then try to. | 01:09:33 | |
| You turn down there, they're going to make AU turn right out of their. | 01:09:35 | |
| Spot so that. | 01:09:38 | |
| Is going to be what happens. | 01:09:40 | |
| Because I have been around a long. | 01:09:42 | |
| And after that, that's what people do when they're parallel parked and they want to go in the opposite direction. | 01:09:44 | |
| That's a good comment. Thank you. Thank you. | 01:09:49 | |
| All right. | 01:09:52 | |
| Some queen of items. As I mentioned, I have to leave at 7:00 today, but there's a few things that I want to do before I pass the | 01:09:54 | |
| baton to someone else. | 01:09:57 | |
| Come on up. | 01:10:01 | |
| I'm sorry, I don't see you. Is there anybody else? When I asked who was going to comment, three people raised their hand. So we're | 01:10:02 | |
| extending it, but. | 01:10:05 | |
| All right, Karen, Cornelius, Phyllis. And it wouldn't be a council meeting if I didn't speak, so here I am. That's right. I am | 01:10:08 | |
| really troubled by what just happened. | 01:10:13 | |
| I'm going to go back two weeks ago to when it was brought up. | 01:10:18 | |
| My cash that. | 01:10:21 | |
| He had met and worked with. | 01:10:22 | |
| The HOA president's. | 01:10:24 | |
| In that area. | 01:10:26 | |
| And unfortunately, we didn't have any HOA board members here. And unfortunately it was me that brought it to the attention. That | 01:10:27 | |
| makes me a bad guy, I know. | 01:10:31 | |
| But we didn't know about this. | 01:10:36 | |
| In a post Sarah had up until last night. | 01:10:38 | |
| That was on social media. She said she'd been working on this for 18 months. | 01:10:43 | |
| Why was two weeks ago that first time we heard about it? | 01:10:47 | |
| You talk about transparency, you talk about accountability. | 01:10:51 | |
| And this is going on. | 01:10:54 | |
| And we know nothing about it. | 01:10:56 | |
| Till you're ready to vote on it. | 01:10:58 | |
| She wanted a load two weeks ago. | 01:10:59 | |
| Ben, I understand she wanted to vote. | 01:11:02 | |
| 2 days ago when she spoke to the HOA President. | 01:11:05 | |
| But Carla was not in agreement as that. | 01:11:08 | |
| Letter states in the minutes. | 01:11:12 | |
| There is an, there is. | 01:11:16 | |
| An attachment to the minutes regarding that meeting. | 01:11:18 | |
| And Carla from the. | 01:11:21 | |
| Phyllis was troubled, so at 10:00 the following morning. | 01:11:23 | |
| She held a meeting with her board. | 01:11:27 | |
| For them to discuss that. | 01:11:30 | |
| And that board unanimously. | 01:11:31 | |
| Is against this policy. | 01:11:34 | |
| For safety reasons. | 01:11:36 | |
| And I am blown away. | 01:11:39 | |
| But we have only one council member. | 01:11:40 | |
| Who cares what is? | 01:11:43 | |
| What we think about safety. | 01:11:44 | |
| Thank you. | 01:11:46 | |
| Right before we move on, I'm going to make a comment on that. | 01:11:47 | |
| We appreciate you coming and speaking last time. | 01:11:51 | |
| With that time, we created a subcommittee just to put this on a record. | 01:11:55 | |
| They were unmet. | 01:11:58 | |
| Together. | 01:12:00 | |
| As we read through the minutes, we took the four concerns and we had our engineer and our community development director come up | 01:12:01 | |
| and address the safety. I think that was the number one priority next to mobility for moving people. | 01:12:07 | |
| Through the community and we address those things and I know these decisions sometimes can be hard and they don't. | 01:12:13 | |
| They don't. They don't always have the outcomes that we think. But as we take those studies, as we take that data, we can make the | 01:12:20 | |
| best decisions for our whole community and we can only do. | 01:12:24 | |
| But we feel this right at the time, so. | 01:12:29 | |
| We appreciate your comments and for teaching us and educating us. | 01:12:31 | |
| On on your position and your. | 01:12:35 | |
| Point of view. | 01:12:38 | |
| In our community. | 01:12:39 | |
| Steve, come on up. | 01:12:40 | |
| My name is David Pierce. I live in the Cascade neighborhood. | 01:12:42 | |
| And I just want to. | 01:12:46 | |
| I just want to let you know that I appreciate you sitting there. | 01:12:47 | |
| And making decisions that you have to make. | 01:12:51 | |
| You have part of the community. | 01:12:54 | |
| Who wants to change the road? | 01:12:56 | |
| For parking and you have a part of the community. | 01:12:58 | |
| That wants to do something else. | 01:13:01 | |
| They're conflicted. | 01:13:05 | |
| And you'll have to make a choice. | 01:13:06 | |
| And sometimes that's difficult. | 01:13:08 | |
| You all are in the seats to do that and I want you to know. | 01:13:10 | |
| That I personally appreciate the effort and the time that you put. | 01:13:14 | |
| Into making. | 01:13:18 | |
| Those kind of this issues and the studying. | 01:13:19 | |
| All sides. | 01:13:22 | |
| And just trying to work it out for everybody. | 01:13:24 | |
| And sometimes. | 01:13:28 | |
| That's not only. | 01:13:31 | |
| Hard to do, but impossible. | 01:13:32 | |
| So thank you. | 01:13:34 | |
| And another comment. | 01:13:36 | |
| About peacemaking. | 01:13:38 | |
| And I really enjoyed the comments. | 01:13:40 | |
| And the counsel and the guidance that. | 01:13:43 | |
| That I received from my religious leaders. | 01:13:46 | |
| And one of the things that struck out to me about. | 01:13:49 | |
| Peacemaking, uh. | 01:13:52 | |
| Is that it's? | 01:13:54 | |
| My job. | 01:13:56 | |
| To be a peacemaker. | 01:13:58 | |
| And not my job. | 01:13:59 | |
| To say you're not a peacemaker so you don't count. | 01:14:01 | |
| That responsibility is on. | 01:14:05 | |
| Not to put it on somebody else. | 01:14:09 | |
| Thank you. Thank you. | 01:14:11 | |
| All right, Council, we're going to move to item 10.1. | 01:14:13 | |
| All right. And then we're going to close it. | 01:14:16 | |
| Come on up. Sorry. | 01:14:18 | |
| So when? | 01:14:25 | |
| When you purchase a. | 01:14:26 | |
| Property. | 01:14:27 | |
| 20° up. | 01:14:28 | |
| Rent a property. You know what you're getting right? | 01:14:30 | |
| We can't speak like. | 01:14:36 | |
| Now that's better. Thank you. | 01:14:39 | |
| I know when I bought my place I got 2 car garage. | 01:14:43 | |
| And I can park I. | 01:14:46 | |
| Probably good parks. | 01:14:47 | |
| Four small cars in front of my garage. | 01:14:48 | |
| And we have the street. | 01:14:51 | |
| We didn't move in there to be a public parking. | 01:14:53 | |
| Play. So we got that handle and that was great. | 01:14:56 | |
| On the converse, if I am across the street. | 01:15:00 | |
| And I come in to rent or buy a townhouse which has a single car garage and a short driveway. | 01:15:03 | |
| It's clear, it's right there, I can see it. I need to use my garage for my car. | 01:15:09 | |
| And hopefully my car will fit in the driveway or there's other open spaces. | 01:15:14 | |
| So. | 01:15:19 | |
| I don't understand why. | 01:15:21 | |
| They can cry about not having. | 01:15:24 | |
| Enough parking. | 01:15:27 | |
| When there are people over there that have just used those scribes for storage. | 01:15:28 | |
| Or have three cars. | 01:15:34 | |
| They know that when they move in. | 01:15:37 | |
| So that's just. | 01:15:40 | |
| My opinion? | 01:15:42 | |
| Thank you. | 01:15:43 | |
| Thank you for your comment. | 01:15:43 | |
| All right, now I'm going to close public comment. | 01:15:45 | |
| And we're. | 01:15:49 | |
| Move to different discussion item. | 01:15:50 | |
| 10.1 We're going to be continuing to a future meeting. | 01:15:52 | |
| If you could make a motion to move that. | 01:15:56 | |
| To a future meeting that would be. | 01:15:59 | |
| Lovely. | 01:16:01 | |
| So moved. | 01:16:02 | |
| Thank you, Marty. Can I get a second? | 01:16:03 | |
| 2nd, Thank you, Brett. | 01:16:06 | |
| All in favor. | 01:16:08 | |
| Aye. | 01:16:08 | |
| All right, 10.5 Why I love America. | 01:16:10 | |
| This is a resolution to partner with America 250. | 01:16:14 | |
| Governor Cox put in the ability for communities to partner to celebrate the signing of the Declaration of Independence. | 01:16:18 | |
| It's going to give this community an opportunity to be part of a lot of. | 01:16:25 | |
| State historical moments and to create events for the community. What I want to do is appoint the arts Commission and. | 01:16:29 | |
| Who they choose to kind of incorporate on that committee? | 01:16:37 | |
| As part of. | 01:16:41 | |
| This Wire Love America event to celebrate the Declaration of Independence. | 01:16:42 | |
| And I would love your support to move forward and adopt that resolution. | 01:16:47 | |
| Can I get a motion? | 01:16:51 | |
| Are there any finances? | 01:16:52 | |
| Connected to the. | 01:16:53 | |
| Can no. | 01:16:54 | |
| Go ahead. | 01:17:00 | |
| I make a motion to support I love America. | 01:17:01 | |
| All right. Thank you. Jake. Can I get a second? | 01:17:03 | |
| 2nd. | 01:17:08 | |
| Thank you, Brett. | 01:17:08 | |
| I'm going to do this by roll call Sarah. | 01:17:10 | |
| Hi, Marty. | 01:17:12 | |
| Hi. Hi, Brett, Jake. | 01:17:14 | |
| All right, 10.5 is done. There's one more thing that I'm going to take care of before I have to leave. | 01:17:17 | |
| 5.3 is the Vineyard Municipal Code title 3 consideration. | 01:17:25 | |
| One of the things that was brought to my attention this week. | 01:17:30 | |
| By Councilmember Holdaway was How do we bring things to the agenda? | 01:17:34 | |
| And how does the public bring things to the agenda? | 01:17:38 | |
| And what I wanted to talk about was. | 01:17:42 | |
| Kind of who we are as a government. | 01:17:45 | |
| How we have those interactions? | 01:17:47 | |
| And then I wanted to make a clarifying line item and you guys can have deep rich discussion on this, but I thought it. | 01:17:49 | |
| Would be interesting for us to. | 01:17:55 | |
| Learn kind of about the agenda item and discuss. | 01:17:58 | |
| Councilmember Holdaway's. | 01:18:01 | |
| Goal as well as. | 01:18:05 | |
| A red line that I'd like to make to the code itself. | 01:18:07 | |
| And we're going to have Pam. | 01:18:11 | |
| Present this to us. | 01:18:13 | |
| Can I just make a comment? Yeah please? | 01:18:15 | |
| So I'm making agenda item to. | 01:18:18 | |
| Talk and the staff is presenting back to me. | 01:18:21 | |
| The agenda item is so that. | 01:18:26 | |
| I can talk and present. | 01:18:28 | |
| Kim has not spoken with me about what the agenda item is. | 01:18:30 | |
| So how does she presenting something? | 01:18:35 | |
| That I requested. | 01:18:38 | |
| Yeah, that's a really good. | 01:18:39 | |
| That's a really good comment because every time I submit something to be on the agenda. | 01:18:41 | |
| I'm not on the agenda. A staff member is coming and telling me what? | 01:18:46 | |
| They think and. | 01:18:51 | |
| I never am on the agenda. Yeah, that's a really good comment. | 01:18:53 | |
| I think this will clarify a little bit of how those things are triggered and how things are brought to the. | 01:18:58 | |
| Hold on, Jake. Hold on, Jake. | 01:19:03 | |
| Hold on a SEC. | 01:19:05 | |
| Yeah, or whatever. Hold on one second. | 01:19:06 | |
| I think this. | 01:19:10 | |
| And there's another item that might clarify it. | 01:19:11 | |
| It's the 5.2 staffing, planning and processes and what it does is it talks about. | 01:19:14 | |
| What our businesses and what our authority as a City Council members. | 01:19:18 | |
| And that when items are brought forward. | 01:19:23 | |
| What it triggers and what it triggers is for the experts that we hire to prevent information on to the council that the council | 01:19:26 | |
| can vote on now. | 01:19:30 | |
| If you want like to sit down and talk more thoroughly about how that process works, I think that's fine. | 01:19:34 | |
| For this agenda item. | 01:19:40 | |
| I took your intent that you submitted to me. | 01:19:43 | |
| Personally. | 01:19:47 | |
| Now you submitted it to me, right? I said I'd like some agenda items 2 sentences long. | 01:19:49 | |
| Yeah, which is, which is good because you followed the law, because your job is to submit it to my job with purpose. Don't tell me | 01:19:54 | |
| what my job is. My job if I ask for time to talk about an agenda item. | 01:20:00 | |
| You can say. | 01:20:06 | |
| No, I'm not gonna let you talk. | 01:20:08 | |
| And what we're doing is, is we're gaming it and saying. | 01:20:10 | |
| I'm gonna have somebody talk. | 01:20:13 | |
| To you. | 01:20:15 | |
| OK. I think what we'll do. | 01:20:16 | |
| Is going to make this clear like this. Hold on Jake. Hold on Jake. My agenda. Hold on Jake. This. | 01:20:18 | |
| Let's let's go ahead and listen to this really quick. Can I ask you a question, a part of anything question so. | 01:20:24 | |
| I'm not trying to, I just am curious. | 01:20:30 | |
| Jake, what if you want to use more than two sentences? What your intent is in wanting to present? Like what would you bring? | 01:20:35 | |
| With Title 3 to the Council. | 01:20:42 | |
| Do you know what you want to bring? Are these kind of ideas and then you want to you guys? | 01:20:45 | |
| Yeah, so you gave us a list of 16 things and you said you wanted on this agenda. | 01:20:49 | |
| That wouldn't have given you time to. | 01:20:55 | |
| Present and prepare. | 01:20:56 | |
| 16 things unless you're already prepared and so that's why when we have staff come. | 01:20:58 | |
| And share what title 3 is. | 01:21:03 | |
| I didn't request the explanation on title 3. | 01:21:05 | |
| You're, you're #16 you're right, right. I hold on, hold on. At this point of order, point of order for this point of order. | 01:21:08 | |
| I'm getting. | 01:21:16 | |
| Jake, please give me a moment and let me explain why. | 01:21:17 | |
| When you request 16 things. | 01:21:21 | |
| Pam is going to explain the process. | 01:21:23 | |
| For what happens during? | 01:21:26 | |
| That request. | 01:21:28 | |
| Pam, go ahead and do that and then we will come back to this commentary in just a minute. | 01:21:29 | |
| So hold your thoughts. | 01:21:33 | |
| OK, so. | 01:21:35 | |
| To get something on the agenda. | 01:21:36 | |
| It's either staff put something on. | 01:21:38 | |
| Sometimes the citizens request something. The council requests that developers and others bring it the items. | 01:21:41 | |
| To us, we put them on and then the mayor has. | 01:21:47 | |
| The say on how they go on there. | 01:21:49 | |
| So in order for council member to get it on there, this was put into Title 3. | 01:21:52 | |
| That too need to agree to have it. | 01:21:57 | |
| Put on there. | 01:22:00 | |
| So if two were included in that. | 01:22:01 | |
| And had agreed on that, then that agenda item would have. | 01:22:03 | |
| Would have been included. | 01:22:06 | |
| So can you clarify that it what used to be 3? | 01:22:10 | |
| Yes, it used to be through, now it's too. Here I did some. | 01:22:13 | |
| I'm going to go off script just a little bit, but I did some extensive research on how. | 01:22:17 | |
| The change in the title 3 came about. | 01:22:21 | |
| It was. | 01:22:24 | |
| Particular to two council members at the time. | 01:22:25 | |
| And then it was agreed by council that it would be. | 01:22:28 | |
| Brought to council to make some changes. | 01:22:31 | |
| So that it made it easier. | 01:22:34 | |
| For council members to get something on the point of order, please, I'm going to allow, I'm going to allow. | 01:22:35 | |
| Hold on please. | 01:22:47 | |
| And when you're interrupting people, it it makes it difficult for. | 01:22:49 | |
| For the meeting to. | 01:22:52 | |
| Move forward canvas reading something really important so. | 01:22:54 | |
| Please let her continue. | 01:22:57 | |
| And I apologize, I did not. | 01:22:59 | |
| That's hard. You had asked a clarifying question. | 01:23:01 | |
| So clarifying it. | 01:23:04 | |
| Is that? | 01:23:06 | |
| You requested to. | 01:23:07 | |
| To Lawrence so that you could get something on the agenda, and that's what you guys did. | 01:23:08 | |
| So that's why Title 3 came about. | 01:23:13 | |
| Jamie went and wrote. | 01:23:15 | |
| He put this together, had Marty review the draft. | 01:23:17 | |
| Amber. | 01:23:21 | |
| And then you guys all reviewed it. | 01:23:22 | |
| Those that were. | 01:23:24 | |
| Sitting here at the time. | 01:23:25 | |
| And you approved it. | 01:23:27 | |
| So that's why Title 3 is in place. | 01:23:28 | |
| Things is that. | 01:23:33 | |
| One of the things is if the council members, if 2 council members submit something, pass to another mayor. | 01:23:34 | |
| And to me that I did not receive. | 01:23:39 | |
| Jamie, before we had title three, there was number policy, correct? | 01:23:43 | |
| That we just diverted to state code. | 01:23:46 | |
| Because there was no policy in place. | 01:23:53 | |
| There there was a. | 01:23:56 | |
| I'm not sure whether there was a Title 3 or not, but this particular policy on how to get things on the agenda. | 01:23:57 | |
| There was not anything in city code. That's what I just wanted to clarify. You said that there was 3 before and I'm like there | 01:24:03 | |
| wasn't city code. | 01:24:06 | |
| Yes, what what Jake is asking for clarity purposes. | 01:24:11 | |
| Just wondering if he needed a quorum to get something on the agenda. | 01:24:14 | |
| By state code. | 01:24:19 | |
| A mayor is the chair and conducts. | 01:24:20 | |
| The meeting and sets the agenda so for our council to get something on the agenda. A quorum in this body is 3. | 01:24:22 | |
| Marty was clarifying and pointed out that the reduction bounded to. | 01:24:30 | |
| Which is Pam was explaining came forward because of a discussion on special assessments. So one thing, one thing that we mentioned | 01:24:34 | |
| is you mentioned there were three paths. | 01:24:39 | |
| One through the mayor. That's. | 01:24:44 | |
| Staff, citizens, anybody can bring that to the mayor through the mayor. | 01:24:45 | |
| The next one was the two council members and then the final one is the quorum. You still have that option in a council meeting to | 01:24:49 | |
| say I want something on the agenda and if you have. | 01:24:54 | |
| Three people vote for it, then it is placed on a future agenda. | 01:24:59 | |
| If you're not specific, then we make it fit so that the meetings don't go all night like they've been going. So we do try to do | 01:25:03 | |
| our best on this so. | 01:25:07 | |
| So that's what it is. It has to be to the mayor and to the city recorder. | 01:25:11 | |
| In writing, within seven days if that's two council members. | 01:25:16 | |
| Before it was now 7 days clarifying question, right? | 01:25:20 | |
| He used to be T 24 hours before. | 01:25:24 | |
| So now it's seven days. | 01:25:26 | |
| It's rare that it's been 24 hours before, we've always tried to get them the week before, states code. | 01:25:28 | |
| Is that we have to post the agenda. | 01:25:35 | |
| No less than 24 hours. | 01:25:38 | |
| Not the packet, but the agenda. | 01:25:40 | |
| Right. So now it's a seven day process instead of the council for two council members to get on the agenda. That's what was put | 01:25:42 | |
| into the code, yes for for two council members. | 01:25:47 | |
| What it doesn't state is that if three of you wanted to get together and change it, you could. But the the recommendation and the | 01:25:53 | |
| vote that you all took. | 01:25:57 | |
| That are here. | 01:26:01 | |
| Was not accept. | 01:26:02 | |
| With the exception of Brett, because it was Amber at the time. | 01:26:04 | |
| Was that you wanted things earlier for the public and so in order to do that you set yourself A7A7 day. | 01:26:08 | |
| Time frame. | 01:26:16 | |
| We also talked about submitting things within reason and so submitting. | 01:26:18 | |
| A particular number sometimes can be. | 01:26:24 | |
| Difficult if we don't have the time to prepare for it. | 01:26:26 | |
| So you said seven days in advance. | 01:26:28 | |
| And then it had to comply with Title 3, which is sending it to the mayor, Anthony. | 01:26:30 | |
| To the city recorder. | 01:26:34 | |
| So, umm. | 01:26:35 | |
| But we did go ahead and. | 01:26:37 | |
| Work with getting some of those items that we could on the agenda. | 01:26:40 | |
| So, formation of the agenda. | 01:26:45 | |
| Just to reiterate what we just talked about. | 01:26:48 | |
| 2 council members submitted in accordance with Title 3. | 01:26:51 | |
| The mayor has to respond timely to let you know what will be on what the agenda and what's agenda that we can accommodate it on. | 01:26:55 | |
| Staff, if you've got a policy that you want. | 01:27:03 | |
| To talk about then staff needs to work on that. | 01:27:06 | |
| But they also know the intent of the change. We don't need staff. | 01:27:09 | |
| We just want to talk about it. Why do we need to have staff work on it? | 01:27:13 | |
| I'm talking about this because this is the game. This is really good. And you'll see that on the third slide you'll you'll see | 01:27:18 | |
| this. | 01:27:20 | |
| This is a good question because. | 01:27:24 | |
| You wanted to discuss rescinding Title 3. | 01:27:26 | |
| So I wanted to discuss 20 to 30 different items but like. | 01:27:29 | |
| None of them have been on the agenda, right? That's not true. But. | 01:27:33 | |
| But we could talk about that another time. | 01:27:36 | |
| We're going to. I'm going to call this back to order. | 01:27:39 | |
| I'm going to call this back to order. | 01:27:41 | |
| And I am going to allow us to finish this and then what you're going to see on the next. | 01:27:43 | |
| Page is how we vet and go through. | 01:27:49 | |
| Things on the agenda, I think that's important. | 01:27:51 | |
| This is how we work through an agenda. | 01:27:54 | |
| So staff finds out you want something on the agenda? The mayor. | 01:27:57 | |
| Agrees with it. | 01:28:00 | |
| So then we have to have something in place because if you want to talk about it. | 01:28:01 | |
| We need to have those answers ready for you if you want. We need to know the intent of what your changes. If you want to talk | 01:28:05 | |
| about a policy that you want to change, we need to know if you have. | 01:28:11 | |
| Suggestions for that? | 01:28:16 | |
| For those changes, go ahead. | 01:28:18 | |
| Have you ever called me to find out? OK, that's not. | 01:28:20 | |
| We're done. You guys want me to get these? | 01:28:23 | |
| Minutes if you're accurate. | 01:28:26 | |
| I need to not have everybody talking over each other. We're supposed to be. | 01:28:28 | |
| Have the quorum for a reason, so I'm going to cut everybody off. | 01:28:33 | |
| I'm going to let him finish. He has no authority. You know what? | 01:28:37 | |
| We can go through because we're all going to be peacemaker. | 01:28:43 | |
| Can she have? | 01:28:46 | |
| Can the mayor have the microphone back please? | 01:28:47 | |
| Can I take a recess without the microphone? | 01:29:18 | |
| Can you note my words? | 01:29:20 | |
| I am taking a recess. | 01:29:22 | |
| I'll give us 5 minutes. | 01:29:24 | |
| So that we can. | 01:29:26 | |
| Main order. | 01:29:28 | |
| Right, what we're going to do for the purpose of this evening. | 01:29:33 | |
| As we are going to continue a few items to a future agenda. | 01:29:37 | |
| I'm gonna name the numbers off. | 01:29:41 | |
| 5.2. | 01:29:43 | |
| 5.3. | 01:29:44 | |
| 5.4. | 01:29:46 | |
| We'll start with those. I need a motion to continue those items. | 01:29:51 | |
| So moved. Thank you, Brett. Can I get a second? | 01:29:55 | |
| 2nd Thank you, Marty. All in favor. | 01:29:58 | |
| Hi, all right. | 01:30:01 | |
| 10.3 now. | 01:30:03 | |
| 10.0 is a public hearing adoption of the Fiscal Year 20252026 Working Budget after Amendment Number. | 01:30:06 | |
| 2 Resolution 2025-47. | 01:30:13 | |
| This item was moved to. | 01:30:16 | |
| From the September 24th, we're going to move this to the next. | 01:30:18 | |
| Council meeting which I believe is October 22nd. | 01:30:22 | |
| Can somebody confirm that for me? | 01:30:25 | |
| Yes, that's correct. That is correct. OK. | 01:30:28 | |
| Can I get a motion to move this? | 01:30:31 | |
| Public hearing to the next Council meeting on October 22nd. | 01:30:32 | |
| Thank you, Sarah. Can I get a second? | 01:30:37 | |
| 2nd Thank you, Marty. All in favor. | 01:30:39 | |
| Aye, any opposed? | 01:30:41 | |
| All right 10.3 Public hearing district energy zoning text amendment. | 01:30:44 | |
| This was scheduled for today, but we are going to move this to October 22nd. | 01:30:50 | |
| 2025 Can I get a motion? | 01:30:55 | |
| Thank you, Brett. Can I get a second? | 01:30:58 | |
| Second. All right, all in favor. | 01:31:01 | |
| Aye. | 01:31:04 | |
| All right, 10.4 discussion action, vineyard and stationary. | 01:31:05 | |
| Station area plan, this is something that we talked about. | 01:31:10 | |
| At our last. | 01:31:13 | |
| Council meeting we had a really robust. | 01:31:14 | |
| Discussion. We have people come in from the state, from the MPO body. | 01:31:16 | |
| And talk about the changes, the requested changes were that housing would be removed from the document that we would incorporate | 01:31:20 | |
| the plan of UVU with their third stipulation. Morgan. | 01:31:25 | |
| It was 1/2, so half mile removed residential and you're right. So we've done all those things. It's it's been in your packet. We | 01:31:32 | |
| just wanted to show you. So we've met with. | 01:31:37 | |
| Most of the Council members to provide that update individually. | 01:31:42 | |
| Excellent. So everybody have the ability to look for it forward. | 01:31:45 | |
| Through it. | 01:31:50 | |
| We had a council member. | 01:31:51 | |
| Ask if he could. | 01:31:53 | |
| Look at the information over the two weeks and now our staff is going to verify that. | 01:31:54 | |
| And we're just going to review this briefly. | 01:32:00 | |
| And then we need to approve this tonight because. | 01:32:03 | |
| According to state law, this has to go. | 01:32:05 | |
| To applications so that we can send it to the vetting committee. | 01:32:08 | |
| So we'll go ahead and have that discussion. | 01:32:13 | |
| Yeah, let's go ahead and have that discussion. | 01:32:17 | |
| This doesn't need to be approved tonight, needs to be proved by the end of the year. It does need to be approved tonight because | 01:32:21 | |
| it follows a process. So the next process will. | 01:32:25 | |
| See that this is approved. | 01:32:29 | |
| For certification. | 01:32:31 | |
| Then we will take it. | 01:32:32 | |
| To the SAP committee, then it will come back. | 01:32:34 | |
| Tonight in color, you can tell me where it says in color because I spoke with Lauren, right? It moved it up. | 01:32:38 | |
| Right, yes, Now if you don't want, if you don't want to think that's OK, but in order for it to move. | 01:32:46 | |
| Properly through everybody's agendas. | 01:32:51 | |
| Including the state, they told us. | 01:32:54 | |
| This was the deadline as tonight in order for that to happen. | 01:32:55 | |
| So that's what we're going to move forward with. | 01:32:59 | |
| All right. Go ahead and present Anthony. Thank you. | 01:33:01 | |
| All right. Thank you so much. Just so you know, the deadline was the 5th. | 01:33:04 | |
| Not today. | 01:33:08 | |
| So today's an extension. It is an extension, You're right. Thank you. All right. | 01:33:09 | |
| So we heard everything you said during the last meeting. We made sure we incorporated. | 01:33:13 | |
| Recommendation. | 01:33:20 | |
| And one of the big things we changed in the. | 01:33:22 | |
| Plan was to make this certification. | 01:33:25 | |
| Focus just on the half mile. | 01:33:28 | |
| As was discussed earlier. | 01:33:31 | |
| And the one mile that's being shown is just to give us. | 01:33:33 | |
| Better context and also help us with a more holistic style planning. | 01:33:37 | |
| We also did remove the residential components that. | 01:33:42 | |
| Financially proposed in the in the plan. | 01:33:46 | |
| As you directed as Council. | 01:33:49 | |
| And we also. | 01:33:51 | |
| Sent or updated the mixed-use commercial land use the designation. | 01:33:55 | |
| To our commercial core. | 01:34:00 | |
| And we made sure that all these changes also reflect in the implementation plan. | 01:34:02 | |
| So we can work towards. | 01:34:07 | |
| Updating I mean. | 01:34:09 | |
| Achieving all the things that we are. | 01:34:10 | |
| Proposal in this plan. | 01:34:12 | |
| With that. | 01:34:15 | |
| Council, do you have a motion? | 01:34:18 | |
| I need to make a comment here. | 01:34:21 | |
| We actually didn't get the. | 01:34:24 | |
| Changes that you guys were going to do at all? | 01:34:26 | |
| So I couldn't, we couldn't. I mean, you sat down and explained that. | 01:34:30 | |
| These are the changes like you just said. | 01:34:33 | |
| But an actual document with all of it. | 01:34:35 | |
| Put through in in Orem they. | 01:34:37 | |
| They did the. | 01:34:40 | |
| Whole document and then they had four or five. | 01:34:42 | |
| You know public comments of this is 100% done. | 01:34:45 | |
| And I asked for it. | 01:34:49 | |
| To be an. | 01:34:50 | |
| You know it wasn't in the packet until no, no citizens have seen it yet. | 01:34:51 | |
| The final version. | 01:34:55 | |
| Well, you're gonna make it, and we're gonna vote on it. | 01:34:57 | |
| And we don't have that document in hand. | 01:34:59 | |
| Right. OK, go ahead. And just to correct this, you're going to have to hold on a second. It's Anthony then go ahead. This is just | 01:35:03 | |
| the working document. | 01:35:07 | |
| And this approval that you're? | 01:35:11 | |
| Going to vote on right now. | 01:35:14 | |
| It's just in a proposed support. | 01:35:16 | |
| You're not approving this document as. | 01:35:17 | |
| One that Vineyard has. | 01:35:20 | |
| Abide by it's going to come back after certification. | 01:35:21 | |
| It kicks into. | 01:35:25 | |
| It allows us to formally submit this to MAG. | 01:35:26 | |
| And the SAP committee for, but I will say Anthony. | 01:35:30 | |
| But for a point, hold on for a point of clarification on that. | 01:35:33 | |
| What I will say is this. | 01:35:37 | |
| It actually was available to the council and to the public. Now, these changes have been noted and detailed and documented and you | 01:35:38 | |
| just verified them right now that this is what's been the change as we make this vote to send it to the Station Area Plan | 01:35:43 | |
| Committee. | 01:35:47 | |
| These are the changes that we expect to see. | 01:35:52 | |
| If we don't see them. | 01:35:55 | |
| When it comes back for a final approval. | 01:35:56 | |
| Then the council will have another opportunity with these citizens to make that change and that's what he was asking. | 01:35:59 | |
| What was your? | 01:36:05 | |
| I was going to say that. | 01:36:06 | |
| We actually have brought this several times to public meetings and we. | 01:36:08 | |
| Didn't get to bring it to. | 01:36:12 | |
| Because of. | 01:36:14 | |
| The cancellation and the timelines, but it did go to Planning Commission, then it was supposed to go to council, then it was | 01:36:14 | |
| supposed to go to Planning Commission again. But instead we did it as a joint session. So the intent. | 01:36:19 | |
| And the effort that staff has put into this I think was pure and I think there were a few obstacles to them. And I just hope that | 01:36:25 | |
| you would be. | 01:36:28 | |
| A little bit. | 01:36:31 | |
| Generous or kind to their efforts? They've been working really hard on this. | 01:36:32 | |
| That has been wonderful and meeting with them. But what I'm saying is, is the actual final document that we're supposed to review | 01:36:35 | |
| like so guys, I'm going to stop commentary between the two of you because it it doesn't pertain to what we're discussing. What | 01:36:41 | |
| we're discussing. What we're discussing is a document that you did see you had for two weeks and that you asked for stipulations | 01:36:46 | |
| on that was to remove the housing. | 01:36:51 | |
| To go to the point, the half mile and to incorporate the. | 01:36:57 | |
| The school is going to change the. | 01:37:00 | |
| A portion of the. | 01:37:03 | |
| Mixed-use, all of those things were accomplished. They were just verified by Anthony. | 01:37:04 | |
| It is before you you do have the document. | 01:37:08 | |
| And I. | 01:37:10 | |
| As I said, this is something to spend for the certification of the station area plan. | 01:37:11 | |
| If it comes back to you and you see that those things are still in there, you will have the ability to turn that plan down at that | 01:37:16 | |
| time. | 01:37:19 | |
| This is not the decision you're making tonight. The decision you're making tonight is descended to the station area planning | 01:37:23 | |
| committee and we need to do that. | 01:37:26 | |
| Can I get a motion? | 01:37:30 | |
| I really need a motion. | 01:37:32 | |
| I move to support. | 01:37:34 | |
| The draft Vineyard station area plan as a working document enabling. | 01:37:35 | |
| The certification review by Meg and the. | 01:37:39 | |
| SAP excellent. Thank you, Sarah. | 01:37:42 | |
| We have a first by Sarah. | 01:37:44 | |
| To submit the plan as you have presented the changes. Thank you. We have a second by Marty. | 01:37:46 | |
| And I'm gonna go. | 01:37:51 | |
| By roll call, Jake. | 01:37:52 | |
| I don't have a document. | 01:37:54 | |
| No. OK, Brett. | 01:37:55 | |
| Aye, aye. | 01:37:57 | |
| Aye, Sarah. | 01:37:59 | |
| All right. Thank you so much for coming tonight. This meeting is adjourned. | 01:38:00 |