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We are up and going. Awesome. 00:10:27
Welcome everybody. We are going to go ahead and get started. It is February 10th, 2000. 00:10:31
And 26. 00:10:35
And it is. 00:10:37
6:00. 00:10:38
I'm Zach Stratton. Mayor Zach Stratton. I'd like to open up the Vineyard City Council meeting we have. 00:10:40
A special guest here. 00:10:45
From the Stratton household. 00:10:47
Sawyer. 00:10:48
Ashamed him into it to come and give our opening prayer. 00:10:49
And. 00:10:52
Our Pledge of Allegiance. So, Sawyer, come on up. 00:10:53
Just set up up to the microphone right there, buddy and then. 00:10:58
Turn around, do the. 00:11:00
OK, Dear Heavenly Father, thank you for this wonderful day. Thank you that we're able to come here and. 00:11:02
Do a council meeting and. 00:11:07
Please stress out, we can have cooperating and. 00:11:09
Thank you for our many blessings and Stacy's and Jesus Christ. Amen. Amen. Thanks, buddy. 00:11:12
OK. 00:11:18
Ready Vegan? 00:11:21
I pledge allegiance to the flag. 00:11:23
Of the United States of America. 00:11:25
And to the Republic for which it stands. 00:11:28
One nation under God. 00:11:30
Indivisible with justice for all. 00:11:32
Awesome Sawyer. 00:11:37
You know, Sawyer, you get to come over to Tony and get yourself a pen. 00:11:39
If you didn't steal one when they were in the kitchen. 00:11:42
So for prayers. 00:11:44
Pins for prayers. 00:11:46
A Mayor Stratton initiative. 00:11:48
OK. 00:11:50
We are going to start off with. 00:11:51
Public comments so if you. 00:11:55
Do we have anyone that came would like to give a public comment? 00:11:57
All righty, let's start right here in the front. Sir, come on up. If you could state your name. 00:12:01
And keep it. 00:12:05
What did we say, Tony? 00:12:08
3 minutes. 00:12:09
That would be great. Can somebody give me a? 00:12:10
A little indicator when I'm 30. Yeah, 30 seconds away. My name is David Vizani. 00:12:13
I'm from the Meadows. 00:12:18
And I'm here to just share some feelings about the plans. 00:12:20
To beautify, to make use of the land. 00:12:24
I think it's a good thing. 00:12:28
We have just some concerns. 00:12:30
Given that. 00:12:33
That the plans that were right behind our house. 00:12:34
We have. 00:12:37
Some concerns we were wondering, and I've realized from this, we're not going to discuss it, but I'm just going to. 00:12:39
Maybe suggest that? 00:12:45
Some ideas go into some kind of barrier with a natural barrier. 00:12:46
Between. 00:12:52
The properties. 00:12:53
Of the meadows and where the plans are for putting in. 00:12:55
And developing the land for the skate park and for the. 00:13:00
For the other amenities there. 00:13:03
So thank you for your consideration. 00:13:05
I'll go ahead and awesome, Sir. Thank you. 00:13:07
Jake, do you have a? 00:13:10
David, can you come show me what your house is from around? 00:13:11
It's 1 32 sawgrass. 00:13:15
All the diagrams that we saw, I know I covered the whole that's not being taken, so how can we change that? 00:13:28
It's kind of down. It's just the yellow patch, just it only goes right here. 00:13:34
Because the yellow that you saw. 00:13:43
We saw a lot of people were confused. 00:13:46
OK. Thank you, Sir. 00:13:50
Next, yes, please come on down. State your name. 00:13:52
And, umm. 00:13:54
Be great. Yeah, I'm Ariana Mix. 00:13:56
I live in Bridgeport. I just wanted to talk about parking, which I know has been an issue that the community has brought up. 00:13:58
For years. I know I've been here before. 00:14:06
I am primarily concerned with safety. 00:14:10
With kids. 00:14:14
Going to school in the morning? There's for example. 00:14:16
Stop sign across the street from my home and it sees a lot of traffic because it is an entrance to my neighborhood and there are 00:14:19
often. 00:14:24
I usually there's a car parked right in front of the stop sign. 00:14:29
And. 00:14:35
I think that just a. 00:14:36
Maybe some? 00:14:40
Vineyard code enforcement making sure that. 00:14:41
People are. 00:14:45
Obeying the. 00:14:46
Laws. 00:14:48
Would be great. 00:14:49
And. 00:14:50
Yeah. Thank you. 00:14:52
Awesome, what neighborhood do you live in? 00:14:54
Bridgeport. Bridgeport, you said OK, And remind me your name one more time. I didn't. Arianne Mix. 00:14:55
Arianne, could I ask which? 00:15:01
Intersection you're talking about with the. 00:15:03
Stop sign that vehicles are parking too close to. I live at. 00:15:05
Like 420 N. 00:15:09
And then it's just the entrance. 00:15:12
The West entrance to Bridgeport. 00:15:14
There's a stop sign right there. 00:15:18
Awesome. 00:15:22
Yeah, Thank you. And there's generally a car there. So if you drive by. 00:15:23
We will see it. 00:15:27
Awesome. Thank you. 00:15:27
Hi there. 00:15:30
If you can state your name. 00:15:31
My name is Emily Larson. I also live in Bridgeport. 00:15:32
I came to a council meeting back in May or June for the same reasons Ariana did, because of parking. 00:15:36
And it's just a big concern. People don't really care. Most of them are college age kids. 00:15:43
There's the house that lives across the street from Mary Ann that. 00:15:48
They all park in front of there's like. 00:15:51
For single people living there. 00:15:54
Basement with a family they don't have anywhere to park I can understand but. 00:15:55
Had houses, cars parked in front of my house for four days. Go and talk to them. They just don't care because they're college age 00:16:00
kids. And so I think a big problem is code enforcement. But. 00:16:04
I get emails, they say we have to take their word for it and it's like. 00:16:09
There's got to be something we can do. It just is creating big problems, like she said, huge issues with kids. When I am taking my 00:16:13
kids to school, I have to go like 5 miles an hour because kids come out, rightfully so, to cross the street and be terrible if one 00:16:19
of them got hit. So once again, same things Arianne, just more problems with. 00:16:24
Parking and enforcing not enough. Too many people living in a home. 00:16:30
So awesome. 00:16:34
Thank you. Thank you. And Bridgeport as well, Correct, Bridgeport, yeah. 00:16:35
Awesome. 00:16:38
Next. Come on down. 00:16:39
Hi, my name is Dana Blake. I'm also in the Bridgeport neighborhood. We're all showing up tonight. 00:16:40
But along with the parking, we've also noticed that it's becoming less and less safe, even just to pull out of the driveway. I 00:16:48
live on a corner. 00:16:52
And last week, there were. 00:16:57
I I checked all around, I didn't see anybody before I started pulling out and all of a sudden there were four cars. 00:17:00
At that corner and there were cars lined up. 00:17:06
All the way around the corner, so there was no space for any of us. So I had to pull back into my driveway and then they all had 00:17:09
to scoot around each other. And that's a. 00:17:13
Relatively common occurrence in the morning and the evening in that neighborhood just because there's so many cars parked. 00:17:17
On the road at night. 00:17:22
I I know this isn't a back and forth but. 00:17:23
Bridgeport and La Shaman are the two that don't have an HOA. 00:17:27
Right. Correct. Bridgeport does. The streets are public though. 00:17:31
It does, but the street what the streets public. 00:17:36
Right, right. Yeah, no, but just. 00:17:39
In going with the conversation tonight about HI, just wanted to. 00:17:41
Yes, we have an HOA. 00:17:45
Thank you. 00:17:46
OK, awesome. 00:17:48
Thank you. Come on down. 00:17:49
Hi, Brittany Hansen, also from Bridgeport. Yeah, sorry, but yeah. 00:17:51
But yeah, no, I just wanted to. 00:17:57
Reiterate similar points, right? I moved in about two years ago and it's just gotten increasingly more dangerous. 00:17:58
And also. 00:18:04
Affecting my ability to go to work so cars will park right in front of my driveway. 00:18:06
And my husband and I can't leave the house unless we call. 00:18:10
A sheriff to come. 00:18:14
Get a car moved. It's just outrageous. It's affecting, like I said, our ability to go to work. 00:18:16
Take our children to school and the safety of like them being able to. 00:18:20
Leave and go and do what they need to do. So the hope is that we can maybe come up with some sort of overnight parking. 00:18:24
Something. 00:18:30
Just to make it so. 00:18:31
It's a livable city and families don't have to leave. 00:18:32
OK, love it. 00:18:35
Love it. Thank you. 00:18:35
Hi there. 00:18:40
Hi Council, I'm Ali Reid. I also live in Bridgeport. 00:18:41
I just wanted to. 00:18:45
Echo what's already been said about parking and over occupancy in our neighborhood in particular. 00:18:47
I've lived in Bridgeport for six years now and have reported. 00:18:53
Multiple addresses over the six years. 00:18:57
For over occupancy like was said. 00:18:59
We're talking. 00:19:02
At least six renters to a house. They each have a car. 00:19:03
And not utilizing the driveway, so it just. 00:19:07
Floods, carts and. 00:19:09
Cars into our street. 00:19:11
I live in 590. 00:19:13
So that's the back Rd. of Bridgeport. That's where Brittany lives as well. 00:19:15
We've got. 00:19:19
I mean. 00:19:20
Cars blocking my driveway, trash cans moved. There's a box truck parked there right now. 00:19:22
Which I think is against HOA also. But yeah, we do pay for HOA enforcement. La Shawn Minot is the one that does not have HOA. 00:19:26
So I just wanted to speak in favor of some type of. 00:19:35
Overnight parking enforcement in Bridgeport and also. 00:19:40
More code enforcement. 00:19:44
In Bridgeport in particular, because we have so many renters. 00:19:46
And I think that's it. 00:19:51
Do you guys have any questions? 00:19:53
No, I think it's. 00:19:56
Thank you. OK, thanks. 00:19:57
OK. All right. 00:19:59
Yeah, come on up. Yep. Yeah, for sure. 00:20:02
Bridgeport Good job representing. Love it. 00:20:05
I'm from the Chaminade. 00:20:09
The only one here. Come on you guys, we got to step it up. 00:20:10
Goodness. OK. 00:20:13
I know it's going to be broken. Record for y'all. Yeah, same thing. 00:20:15
My wife and I moved in about a little over five years ago. 00:20:20
Till shaman on Ruborda. 00:20:23
Love the neighborhood, great families there. But we have noticed overtime where there's been the issue of. 00:20:25
Sale of a house. 00:20:31
Almost each time it goes to. 00:20:32
Just people, they view it as investment properties. Again, we understand the need for college housing. 00:20:35
That's important. We understand the need for housing. 00:20:42
The only issue is they view it as an opportunity to pack in as many people as they can into the house. 00:20:45
Disregarding the needs of the neighborhood. 00:20:50
So. 00:20:53
And dealing with that issue is difficult because the only time I was able to do something was. 00:20:55
To the left of us we had. 00:20:59
Got sold to from a family to. 00:21:02
An investor. 00:21:04
Just to. 00:21:06
Sales guy and he. 00:21:07
Packed it with six, but then with. 00:21:08
Girlfriend 6 guys girlfriends being over parking was crazy and there is like a. 00:21:11
Street in front of us, that is. 00:21:16
Pretty open, so they see that as a great opportunity just to pack it with cars. 00:21:18
So. 00:21:22
You add that it's. 00:21:23
Pretty exponential. 00:21:25
How crowded it gets. 00:21:26
Across from us now it got sold from a family to again another like sales bro investor. There's 8. 00:21:28
Guys living there. 00:21:35
The difficult thing dealing with that previously is that. 00:21:36
The only way to enforce it, I actually had to. I felt like I had to do like. 00:21:40
Spying on him where I actually had to physically. 00:21:44
Record them. 00:21:47
Saying that they had. 00:21:48
Six people. 00:21:50
In their house was the only way that it could be enforced that without it they were like, we can't do anything, which is 00:21:51
incredibly difficult. 00:21:54
I got him to do it and they acted once, but then all the guy did was. 00:21:58
OK, I got the Fiat to kick out one guy, but the next round he. 00:22:01
Put another person in there and now we've got eight across from us. So it's very difficult to enforce. That's why we're talking 00:22:04
about. 00:22:07
Yeah, some type of overnight. 00:22:11
Enforcement. 00:22:13
To look into it as an option because then if parking is limited at least. 00:22:15
That'll disincentivize them from. 00:22:18
And who? The address of that home? 00:22:22
Of ours or? 00:22:24
Right across. Yeah, let me. 00:22:26
Give it to you. There's two, I mean. 00:22:28
I know it's 4. 00:22:30
The one to less of us left of us is 6. 00:22:31
So let me pull up my. 00:22:33
So the one the left of us has 6 and the one right across 8. 00:22:38
Because I want to introduce myself to the guys. 00:22:41
But to also be like, hey, how's it going and stuff? I'm like, how many guys who live in here? Because I saw quite a few cars. 00:22:43
And the guy there was like. 00:22:48
08 and I was like wow. 00:22:49
So OK, so that one the address is. 00:22:52
Sorry, you're in the basement's going a bit slow, so. 00:22:56
We're at 48 N through Borda. 00:22:59
If I can get my maps working 148 you said. 00:23:02
4848. 00:23:05
Right. 00:23:07
48 No, I'm not guessing like. 00:23:09
I'm like, it's pretty important. 00:23:10
That's the time, so and then it's right across from us. 00:23:12
Like directly. I don't know if you guys can pull up the Google Maps. My phone is not working down here. 00:23:15
That's right next door to the 48, right? 00:23:20
It's so we have guys that live. 00:23:22
To the left of us. 00:23:24
If we're facing looking outside our doors, and then if we're looking outside our door, there's a property directly across the 00:23:25
street from us. 00:23:28
That's on the corner. 00:23:32
Of Ruborda, And was it Rue? 00:23:34
How does math? 00:23:38
Or if it's. 00:23:39
The main one of the main roads there so. 00:23:40
I'll get that information information for you here. Would you mind and. 00:23:42
Could you make a? There's a complaint form online, are you going to see it? 00:23:46
Do a complaint about. 00:23:50
Over occupancy and sure and list the addresses so we can investigate those. OK, Sure, will do. Thank you. 00:23:51
Awesome. Thank you. And just before we. 00:23:57
Leave if I could have you state your. 00:23:59
My name is Hamlet. 00:24:01
Hamlet. 00:24:03
And last name Gordillo. GORDILLO. 00:24:05
Awesome. 00:24:08
Thank you. Yeah, thank you. 00:24:09
OK. 00:24:11
Anybody else? 00:24:13
Come on down, Sir. 00:24:15
I just want to say as a young single adult who bought a house so that I could live there and also rent out. 00:24:19
I did the math before I bought the house and I bought the place that I did over in Lakefront specifically because. 00:24:25
It had four bedrooms and there is a there's a city code that says you can only have four people that are not related living in a 00:24:31
house for these exact for this exact reason. 00:24:35
I did the math and it turns out like, you know, if I had bought a house. 00:24:39
In a neighborhood with bigger homes. 00:24:42
I, I could, you know, possibly could have rented to more people. I could have made more money off of it. I could have gotten a lot 00:24:46
more equity. 00:24:50
But it is against city code and I decided not to do that and so I definitely support doing something about the over occupancy 00:24:54
issue. 00:24:57
Because there are. Yeah. Because it's it doesn't feel fair for people like me who follow the rules and are making less money, 00:25:00
making less equity, and living with less friends because of it. 00:25:05
Awesome. Thank you. Can you state your do we do we Jacob School? 00:25:10
Jacob, why do you guys know me? 00:25:14
Yes. 00:25:15
Awesome. 00:25:17
Anybody else? 00:25:18
OK. 00:25:21
All righty. Well, let's jump on to. 00:25:23
There's still some comments. 00:25:26
Oh, there are some. 00:25:27
Yeah, no, come on down. Yeah. 00:25:28
I wasn't planning on. 00:25:37
Saying anything but. 00:25:38
We're here to represent the skate park. 00:25:40
Initiative. 00:25:42
I know there's a few of us in support here and we've been following it and been involved with it for a few years now and are huge 00:25:44
supporters, these guys. 00:25:48
Are were born on skateboards as. 00:25:53
Was I my whole life and I think. 00:25:55
Just as a. 00:25:58
General note on the. 00:25:59
The benefit to the community and. 00:26:01
The benefit to kids that need a space in an outlet outside of traditional sports, it's just hugely important for mental health and 00:26:03
having a space to express yourself in a different way other than football or soccer or whatever the, you know, traditional route 00:26:09
is and. 00:26:14
That just fits my family. It fits a lot of other families here. 00:26:19
And not only that, it's just it's a great space to. 00:26:23
Be physical and outdoors. 00:26:27
And so we're here to support that and voice the. 00:26:28
Voiced the importance. That's all awesome. Love it and could you state your name? Yeah. Dylan boys, DILLONBOYES and this is Ziggy 00:26:32
and. 00:26:37
Love it. Thanks for coming guys. Are you guys twins? 00:26:42
Just brothers, OK? 00:26:45
Awesome. Come up and state your name please. 00:26:49
Yeah, Nicole has LinkedIn. 00:26:52
Everything that's been shared is so relevant. I'm from La Shamina as well and we've had neighbors that have moved out and their 00:26:54
main reason for leaving has said they don't feel like the neighborhood safe because of the amount of cars. They can't see their 00:26:59
children. 00:27:04
Riding their bikes in the neighborhood and they want to move to somewhere with. 00:27:09
Wider streets. 00:27:13
Less renters and that's just disappointing as someone who bought this home with the intention of staying here for a long period of 00:27:15
time and we don't have kids yet but. 00:27:20
The number of cars continuing to join in and and a lot of them we have another car or another home around the street that has a 00:27:26
lot of individuals in the house that also own a. 00:27:31
Auto Body Shop or a car sale shop so they bring a lot of vehicles home as well to. 00:27:36
Have people that are purchasing cars try out the vehicles. 00:27:41
Just not feeling like there's. So they speed through the streets too, because it's just. 00:27:46
Now kind of a college city. 00:27:51
That it it has made us consider like, maybe we can't be in Vineyard for a long time. 00:27:53
And maybe this isn't a forever home, because. 00:27:58
It's not going to be safe for any future children that we have and it has been disappointing to feel like there is not a community 00:28:01
anymore because of the number of renters that don't feel like it's a neighborhood. It's just. 00:28:06
Transient for them. 00:28:12
Yeah, awesome. 00:28:14
Did you say where you lived again? 00:28:16
Which neighborhood? 00:28:18
Leishmanias. 00:28:19
OK. Thank you. 00:28:20
Thank you, thank you, thank you. 00:28:21
Yeah, whence? Come on up. 00:28:25
If you could state your name. 00:28:29
Be great, yes. When's Flores? 00:28:31
I just wanted to echo what Dylan had talked about with the skate park and I'm here to support that initiative as well. Been 00:28:33
working with some of the guys for the last year or so on it. 00:28:38
Kids, one of them with ADHD, you know, being outdoors, being active. 00:28:44
It's very important for them to have a safe space, an environment that they can be outdoors and. 00:28:49
Do things that are. 00:28:56
Non traditional I myself. I grew up skateboarding, snowboarding, mountain biking and all things that I currently do today. 00:28:57
Which is what Utah offers. They offer such great outdoor. 00:29:04
Landscapes for that. 00:29:09
So the opportunity to. 00:29:10
You know, have my kids join in that and not necessarily. 00:29:12
They're not necessarily into the traditional sports. 00:29:15
This will give them a great outlet to do that, and it's really good for their mental health as well. So I just want to echo that 00:29:18
and support the initiative. 00:29:21
Awesome. Thanks once. Yep. 00:29:24
OK. Yeah, David, come on up. 00:29:28
My name is David Pierce. 00:29:36
Live in the Cascade neighborhood and I. 00:29:37
I just had a thought of. 00:29:39
Was sitting here. 00:29:40
Over the years. 00:29:42
I've heard about. 00:29:44
Different neighborhoods that have had different. 00:29:45
That have all had parking issues. 00:29:49
And the solution is this or that but one solution. 00:29:52
One way to address that issue. 00:29:57
That was brought up very clearly here. 00:29:59
Is over occupancy. 00:30:02
And my suspicion is. 00:30:05
That. 00:30:07
If these two neighborhoods have an issue with over occupancy. 00:30:09
And parking issues. 00:30:14
Then maybe that's one of the roots. 00:30:16
Causes for parking issues in other neighborhoods. 00:30:18
And that should be applied. 00:30:22
Equally through the city. 00:30:24
So city may want to take a look at that. 00:30:26
Thanks, David. Appreciate it. 00:30:29
I'm just going to come up with what different subjects. 00:30:32
I didn't know they're going to be talking about a skate park. 00:30:34
I wanted to echo my support for that. 00:30:36
I just heard it. I'm like, Oh yeah, I've been talking about that. 00:30:41
So a quick note there and also I would love just to get more information from you on. 00:30:43
We have a beautiful little park in Le Cheminant that I would love to see how us as a community. It's a little village there in 00:30:48
Lechem Can. 00:30:52
Add more amenities to it to kind of make it something that can flourish where we use a community can get together for that. So I'd 00:30:56
love to figure out maybe afterward or if somebody can send me some information on how to do that as well. 00:31:01
Do when you have him state his name again, Tony? 00:31:06
No. Oh, you get OK, OK. Anyway, thank you. 00:31:08
Yeah, come on down. 00:31:12
I'll make this quick crystal price. Last meeting I think it was Tim Blackburn that suggested I am. 00:31:17
A need and a want for a post office and a cemetery. 00:31:23
And just a thought, what about Gammon Park for a cemetery? 00:31:28
That's all. 00:31:32
Thanks, Crystal. 00:31:33
OK. Anybody else? 00:31:37
Yeah, come on down. 00:31:41
I'm James Graves. 00:31:45
Live in the Meadows. 00:31:46
There's a lot I love about Vineyard, especially our new. 00:31:49
Leadership. 00:31:52
So welcome and thank you. 00:31:53
I've talked with. 00:31:56
A few people about this, but one of the issues that we are. 00:31:58
Wildly concerned about, especially with the lack of precipitation this winter. 00:32:02
Is the. 00:32:07
Building problem of what could potentially happen in what? 00:32:09
Is called, but not very. 00:32:13
It's called the wetlands. 00:32:15
That surround the neighborhood. 00:32:17
And really, it's just become a tinderbox. 00:32:19
And we almost had a devastating fire take place, but. 00:32:22
Fortunately, someone left a tractor with a key on it and we're able to dig a fire line real quick. 00:32:25
And so. 00:32:30
There's been a few solutions talked about. 00:32:31
I don't know what kind of. 00:32:34
Permission needs to be given. 00:32:37
But I think that's something that if we could. 00:32:39
Make an agenda item of that in one of these future meetings would be. 00:32:42
Very, very beneficial. 00:32:46
Thank you. Thank you, Sir. 00:32:48
Anybody else? 00:32:52
Like to speak. 00:32:54
OK. 00:32:57
All righty. Well, thank you everybody so much for your public comments. 00:32:58
Lot of great things and think. 00:33:02
Thoughts and concerns brought forth. We'll be working for it, Mayor, if I could. 00:33:04
I just wanted to make. 00:33:09
Sure, that everybody. 00:33:10
On your way out if you if you're not staying for the whole thing, just to make sure that you sign the sign in sheets. So I make 00:33:12
sure I spell your name right for the minutes. 00:33:15
Yeah. Thank you so much. 00:33:19
Oh, OK. 00:33:25
Just want to flip over on the back, yeah. 00:33:27
OK, sounds good. 00:33:29
All righty. We have on the agenda presentations, recognitions, awards and proclamations. I'm not sure, staff, do we have anything 00:33:32
that we need to review tonight to go over? 00:33:36
On #3 OK, awesome. 00:33:40
All right, so we're going to jump right into the work session. This is going to item 4.1 is an HOA neighborhood committee and 00:33:43
Council Member Wood. 00:33:46
You should stay for this. The neighborhood people should stay. It's actually. Yeah, we're going to start talking about this is 00:33:50
the. 00:33:53
Over occupancy and how to solve it will be yeah, so. 00:33:58
No, that's great. 00:34:04
So I'm going to turn the time over to Council Member Wood. 00:34:05
Jacob Wood to start to discuss. This is the perfect meeting. 00:34:08
So I'm excited to talk about this. I appreciate the chance to have this as a. 00:34:12
Working session tonight. 00:34:15
This is something I've been working over the last couple months on, and it's also something that came up a lot during the campaign 00:34:17
and a conversation since we were sworn in. 00:34:21
I've talked to a lot of people across different neighborhoods, some HOA's. 00:34:25
And a lot of community members and there's a consistent theme. People want a better way of neighborhood level issues being heard 00:34:29
and solved before the escalate into bigger issues. 00:34:33
On the purpose of tonight's discussion is not to vote on anything yet. 00:34:38
Is to have an open and public conversation about forming a neighborhood committee for Vineyard. 00:34:42
To talk through the framework, the purpose. 00:34:46
And the parameters and then I later meeting decide. 00:34:48
Whether we want to formalize it? 00:34:51
There's nothing more frustrating than having decisions made. 00:34:53
About your neighborhood, by people who don't live there. 00:34:56
Or don't fully understand what's happening on the ground. 00:34:59
Too often we default to the idea that there's a government solution for everything. 00:35:01
When in reality, sometimes the governor's response or lack of response. 00:35:06
Is part of the problem. 00:35:10
We've seen that play out in Lakefront. 00:35:11
Nothing changed until residents pushed back, organized amid a political issue. 00:35:13
That experience reinforced something I believe in strongly. 00:35:19
Neighborhoods understand their own neighborhoods better than government officials who don't live there. 00:35:22
Every neighborhood and vineyard is different. 00:35:27
And every neighborhood is facing different challenges. 00:35:29
Some are dealing with over occupancy. 00:35:31
And lack of consistent enforcement. 00:35:34
Same areas don't have enough parking because of low minimums when they were built. 00:35:36
And other neighborhoods are dealing with predatory towing practices that. 00:35:39
Impact younger residents and. 00:35:42
People from vulnerable populations. 00:35:44
There's not A1 size fits all solution. 00:35:46
In many cases, neighborhoods already know. 00:35:49
Where the problem is longer for the city does. 00:35:52
They know which homes are over occupied. 00:35:54
They know where enforcement isn't happening or is happening. 00:35:56
Unevenly. 00:35:59
And they know where rules on people don't line up with. 00:36:00
Real nice. 00:36:03
The challenge is. 00:36:05
The challenge is there isn't a structured way for that information to be shared early. 00:36:09
Or before tangents are boiled over. 00:36:12
This committee is about decentralizing that process and creating a place for those conversations to happen. 00:36:15
With better, more accurate and. 00:36:20
Current information. 00:36:22
Other cities do this. Do a version of this. 00:36:24
Orem has their own neighborhood committee. 00:36:26
Provo has its Neighborhood District program and Linden has its neighborhood based engagement as well. 00:36:29
Those cities are larger than us. 00:36:34
And their models are more formal. 00:36:36
Elected boards, multi year terms, et cetera. 00:36:37
While not proposing that. 00:36:41
We copy that structure. 00:36:42
What I'm proposing that we is that that concept works. 00:36:44
Vineyard just needs a version of that that fits our size and culture. 00:36:48
So what I'm proposing is intentionally simpler and more flexible. 00:36:52
This would be purely volunteer base open to. 00:36:55
Open participation model. 00:36:59
No elections, no terms. 00:37:01
And no voting authority as of now. 00:37:04
If your neighborhood is struggling, you show up. 00:37:06
If something is working well in your neighborhood, you share it. 00:37:08
The people who show up are the people who care. 00:37:11
And in practice, that's the most meaningful form of leadership. 00:37:13
So we're intentionally centering this on neighborhoods. 00:37:17
Some neighborhoods have Hoas, some don't. 00:37:20
Some people are renters, some are owners. 00:37:23
This is about hearing from people who live there, regardless of how their neighborhood is organized. 00:37:25
Or whether someone rents or owns. 00:37:29
So the basic framework I'm envisioning is a. 00:37:31
One monthly meeting. 00:37:34
Likely in the middle of the month for about 60 to 90 minutes here at City Hall. 00:37:36
Our meetings will be open to people. 00:37:40
From across all neighborhoods. 00:37:41
And focus on. 00:37:43
Issues like parking enforcement. 00:37:44
And over occupancy, safety infrastructure. 00:37:46
And quality of life concerns. 00:37:48
Or even block parties or events. 00:37:50
A council liaison would attend, listen, take notes. 00:37:53
And staff will participate as appropriate. 00:37:55
But the focus will remain neighborhood centered. 00:37:58
Disagreement is expected. Different neighborhoods will have different perspectives. 00:38:01
This committee isn't here to force consensus or settle disputes. 00:38:04
It's here to make sure Council hears the full range of perspectives. 00:38:08
On the ground is an on the ground issues affecting neighborhoods. 00:38:11
So. 00:38:15
I'm not, and I'm not opposed to evolving the structure in the future. 00:38:15
But as of now, I don't think it's wise to impose. 00:38:18
Election or terms or hierarchy before we even know how this will function in Vineyard. 00:38:21
So I'd like to start simple. 00:38:26
And see what works so. 00:38:28
Yeah, so tonight I want to put this on the table as a framework to discuss. 00:38:29
And I'll be interested in hearing you guys's thoughts. 00:38:33
On form a committee like this. 00:38:36
And we can go on and decide whether we like to. 00:38:38
Formalize that. 00:38:40
So with that, I'd like to, yeah, open it up. 00:38:42
Yeah. Thank you. 00:38:44
So do you envision that, that? 00:38:45
Neighborhoods with HOA's would use the HOA as a representation, so. 00:38:48
I think. How do you think that? 00:38:52
The problem? 00:38:54
I see if that is sometimes. 00:38:56
I want both. 00:38:59
If you're on HOA and also if your neighborhood. 00:39:00
I don't think we should have. 00:39:04
Necessarily a person be like underrepresented of this neighborhood. 00:39:06
As of right now, I think that if we just have people who. 00:39:10
Care about? 00:39:12
They just show up. 00:39:13
So on that monthly meeting would you have? 00:39:15
Would you have they divide up and have just? 00:39:17
Certain neighborhoods come, or would you have come? 00:39:19
Anyone come OK? 00:39:22
Thank you. 00:39:26
I love it. 00:39:28
I don't live in le cheminant, but I believe le cheminant should make a decision for LE chemin. 00:39:29
Holdaway Rd. should make a decision. 00:39:34
I actually would like it a little bit more formal. 00:39:36
Because I I mean not, I don't doesn't have to be extremely formal. 00:39:39
You know most neighborhoods. 00:39:43
Love each other and I'm sure they all organize this neighborhood organized and was like we're all going to show up and that 00:39:45
happens a lot. 00:39:48
So I think it would be. 00:39:53
For the neighborhood person, I mean, obviously we all know that. 00:39:56
Over occupancy we all ran on. 00:40:00
Like code enforcement. 00:40:03
Code enforcement like. 00:40:05
So we all know that's broken. 00:40:07
But. 00:40:09
How that is applied needs to be a neighborhood. 00:40:10
Decision. 00:40:13
And and like. 00:40:15
Same thing with towing. Like how you tow win. 00:40:16
But I think if it could be formalized so that everyone know like. 00:40:19
This captain or this leader is that person, and that's the solution. 00:40:23
And they interact with. 00:40:28
The code enforcement and the sheriff. 00:40:31
Of like this is how it's solved and this is our decision. Yeah, I think that. 00:40:33
Is better. 00:40:37
Like an authoritative thing, because none of us live in some of these neighborhoods. And it's like, why are any of us voting on? 00:40:39
Like it's their decision, you know, it's their neighborhood. So I think that's what Orem has. I think Orem, they have, they signed 00:40:45
2 Pete, they split the neighborhood, the city into districts and I think they like two people per. 00:40:51
Neighborhood district, I don't know, I think it's like 4 year term or something like that, but. 00:40:56
But I just. 00:41:01
I just love it. 00:41:03
I love this idea. I think I'm I'm so supportive of it. 00:41:04
And I think. 00:41:07
We could put some. 00:41:09
Guardrails on it, especially for. 00:41:10
Over occupancy. 00:41:13
And for parking? 00:41:15
In authorizing that person to be the voice of that neighborhood. 00:41:18
And in cases where there needs to be like an ordinance vote change, I love that they would come and submit it and say, hey. 00:41:24
On this particular corner, we need red paint. 00:41:31
Like, we need to extend it 10 feet. And I don't think it has to come up to us like to vote each time. It's like the neighborhood 00:41:34
is voted. This is what they wanted. 00:41:38
And just work quicker and smoother that way if we can write that into the ordinance so. 00:41:43
I like where. 00:41:49
Council Member Holdaway has brought up maybe a little bit more formalization. 00:41:51
I like. 00:41:55
The decentralization aspect of it, I'm a huge proponent of that. 00:41:55
But like you said, guardrails perhaps to prevent. 00:42:00
You know if. 00:42:03
Anyone can come and it's totally a volunteer basis and there's not maybe a little bit of a more formal leadership structure. 00:42:04
What? 00:42:09
May end up happening as you get. 00:42:10
A couple really disgruntled people come up. 00:42:12
And they? 00:42:15
Change or ruin something for the rest of the neighborhood. 00:42:16
So if you have somebody who's maybe a little bit of a more. 00:42:19
Constant presence in the neighborhood who can actually. 00:42:22
Collect the data, the information. 00:42:25
For example, you know previous city code has allowed for 75% of a neighborhood to. 00:42:28
Request. 00:42:34
A change. 00:42:35
Or something that would impact their neighborhood specifically. 00:42:36
So maybe policies and guardrails that kind of support that in line with. 00:42:39
A safeguard and I think you have to have a little bit more formalization, especially when we talk about. 00:42:44
The enforcement mechanism. 00:42:49
Of. 00:42:51
Code enforcement. 00:42:53
That was something that I've. 00:42:55
Talked to Maria about a little bit over the past couple weeks. 00:42:56
And in short. 00:43:01
The city's only enforcement is. 00:43:03
Fines. 00:43:06
And if the fines don't get paid, then what? 00:43:07
So we also maybe need to assess how can we support. 00:43:10
Them at that level and actually give it some. 00:43:14
Legitimacy. 00:43:17
Yeah, one thing that this. 00:43:19
Committee would do is extremely in that process again people in these neighborhoods they know what houses are over occupied. This 00:43:20
will be a way we can. 00:43:24
Get that problem solved. 00:43:29
A lot quicker, so I know. 00:43:30
We need to be using the word eviction like it's to the point where so many people are so angry with the 8 and 10 people. 00:43:33
Like if I bought a home and those were the codes and that's what it was. 00:43:39
Umm, you know, then it needs to get to that point and that process needs, I mean, we all know that process, but if we we 00:43:44
streamline what that process is with the city. 00:43:48
At a city level, they're empowered. 00:43:52
And it's a quick, easy process so they can. 00:43:55
Use that tool when necessary, you know. 00:43:57
Can I ask a question for Holden? 00:44:00
So I understand. 00:44:03
County Eviction. 00:44:05
Process a little bit, but I'm not familiar. Are you able to enforce if there's a city code for eviction? 00:44:07
To my knowledge, most vixens are going to have to go through the same process the county does. 00:44:13
Mostly because the state and our country, obviously. 00:44:17
People's homes or their sanctuaries and trying to renew your evicting somebody so when we go on calls if there's somebody's 00:44:20
claiming. 00:44:23
I want this person gone. There are certain things that we have to look at before we can actually remove a person, so there would 00:44:27
be a process still in place. 00:44:30
I can look at that a little bit more. 00:44:34
I did want to make one comment if you don't mind please, especially since we have a lot of lemonade and Bridgeport people here. 00:44:36
One program that could go possibly hand in hand with this is our Neighborhood watch program. 00:44:43
My neighbor, my community coordinator, Becca Kresser. 00:44:47
I believe March 25th we're planning a. 00:44:50
Get together with le cheminant about about. 00:44:53
Neighborhood Watch. 00:44:56
Is that maybe a good way to, you know, a good way to segue into this and have? 00:44:57
Because part of that is like block captains and things like that that we do. 00:45:01
And it might be good for a little bit of structure. Could you? 00:45:04
Could you take a second kind of walk us through what this neighborhood watch program is? 00:45:07
Absolutely, if you have, if you could. So neighborhood watch is really we can't be everywhere, we can't see every problem, sure, 00:45:11
and we rely on the public to help us solve problems, right I. 00:45:15
I'll give one quick story just to kind of tell you why it's so important when I my first day on the job. 00:45:22
I've worked at South Jordan before. 00:45:26
Very first day, neighbor, I'm not even sworn in yet and neighbor calls in, says somebody just entered my neighbor's garage. 00:45:29
They're out of town. I don't think they should be there. 00:45:33
And so it was. It was an actual burglary in progress. 00:45:37
We go there. 00:45:40
And sure enough, guys are in the garage, they've backed their car into the garage, closed the door and they're stealing everything 00:45:42
in the house. They come driving out as we pull up and you know, we got Tombstone with our guns out walking down the street and 00:45:47
they back up. We chase them down and catch all of them. That happened because a neighbor called. If that if a neighbor hadn't 00:45:52
called, we wouldn't have caught that. Those people would have known about it. So neighborhood watches. 00:45:58
We get have the community get together. It's really community oriented. We're not going to. 00:46:04
Tell you what to do or necessarily lead the groups. It's you guys coming together and we help facilitate, educate, and give you. 00:46:08
Tools and resources to help keep the community safe. 00:46:14
We can talk about code enforcement issues, whatever it might be that you could report and you'd have. 00:46:18
A meeting at least once a year with members of your community Watch group and Block Block Captain. 00:46:23
And if you do that in the past, we'd have to, obviously council have to approve it now. In the past, if you were to do that, then 00:46:29
the city will pay to put up the neighborhood watch signs and things like that in your neighborhood. 00:46:34
And so. 00:46:39
That's really what it is. 00:46:40
Keep going. Yeah, I'm gonna ask about. 00:46:43
Separate from maybe our conversation that we previously have had about. 00:46:47
Parking and parking enforcement things. 00:46:51
With your. 00:46:54
Deputies patrolling. 00:46:55
Do they actively maybe check for safety things as far as like parking too close to a stop sign? Is that something that they can 00:46:56
ticket for? Do they need support from the council for something like that? They can absolutely take it for that. Any any most like 00:47:01
parking too close to stop sign or crosswalk or? 00:47:07
Even red curbs. 00:47:12
Fire hydrants, all those things are in state code. You can't park there and we can issue state site like citations for those 00:47:15
things and I have. 00:47:18
Regularly directed them to go and check neighborhoods and be on the lookout. 00:47:22
The problem comes is when they're responding to other calls and that stuff. Absolutely and all the time thing. I do have some. 00:47:25
Actually was researching today about some possible parking enforcement code enforcement options we could look at and I'm happy to. 00:47:32
Discuss those and ways we could improve that in the city. Sure. And that's just on public streets. Right on as far as those. 00:47:38
Parking for those, yes. The only thing we could cite for on a on a private street is if you're blocking somebody's driveway if 00:47:45
you're in a handicapped stall. 00:47:49
Those fire hydrant probably would be the same but. 00:47:53
Other normal pet. 00:47:57
Things on a private St. We don't have the authority to issue citations. 00:47:58
Can I? Can I? 00:48:02
Ask a question of those from Bridgeport and the cheminot if we're as we're considering this. 00:48:03
You bridge ports and HOH. 00:48:09
So if we were to say, hey, there was a vote, would you have any problems of? 00:48:11
You know you'd have to tell the HOA. 00:48:16
You guys need to vote on selecting somebody to be on this committee that's authorized to. 00:48:18
Help the city put the rule. 00:48:23
Would you feel comfortable with that? And then those from Leshemina where you don't have an HOA? 00:48:25
Obviously, the city would have to help find the leader or facilitate a vote. 00:48:29
Or the neighborhood facilitating a vote to find who that person is. 00:48:33
Are these good ideas I'd like to hear? 00:48:38
Would you come up to the mic? Yeah, come up to the mic. 00:48:40
Sorry, my name is Dana Blake again. 00:48:44
One concern I have with going through the HOA is that as far as I'm aware. 00:48:47
Our HOA covers. 00:48:52
Several neighborhoods, like all of the Water's Edge neighborhoods, are under our. 00:48:54
HOA umbrella, you don't have like a present, OK. 00:49:00
So as far as I know. 00:49:03
There's very little. 00:49:05
That we have been able to do in the past to represent ourselves and. 00:49:08
Comment on what's happening. Correct, it's just part of the water's edge, larger one. 00:49:12
OK, so I'm wondering also that could it be a? 00:49:19
Another solution we might look into is business licensing. 00:49:22
For all rental units. 00:49:25
And that would give us a. 00:49:27
An arm to inspect, to make to make sure that they're living up to the. 00:49:29
Agreement. Uh. 00:49:32
Yes. 00:49:33
Maria, that's what Orem City does. 00:49:34
Maria has been working on that rental. 00:49:36
Program and it. 00:49:38
Orem's rental occupancy I. 00:49:40
Had a 2 hour long. 00:49:43
Overview It's fantastic. 00:49:45
At eviction. At evicting. 00:49:47
And I think that's the problem. Like we got to put those in place so that. 00:49:50
When it is rental. 00:49:54
I mean they. 00:49:56
They know. 00:49:57
Of Uvus problem. 00:49:58
We're building UVU down here now and students are coming down in here and we're learning and I would just. 00:50:00
Adopt their what they've done because it's worked really well. 00:50:06
It's quicker. 00:50:11
But let's hear your guys solutions on. 00:50:12
I just wanted to respond to. 00:50:16
Parker's idea about. 00:50:18
The. 00:50:20
75% vote because. 00:50:21
Back when I was reporting. 00:50:23
These five to six years ago, that's what I was told is that my only shot at. 00:50:25
Trying to get these over occupancy things. 00:50:29
Were actually enforced were to get 75% of the neighborhood to vote on it. 00:50:33
My concern with Bridgeport specifically is that we've already lost. 00:50:37
At least 50% of the neighborhood. 00:50:41
Two homes that are being rented. 00:50:43
And not owner occupied. 00:50:45
So those. 00:50:47
It's not just. 00:50:48
About the number of people that live there, their owners live. 00:50:49
Other places in Utah and I can. 00:50:52
List those houses. I can give you addresses, I know all of them. 00:50:55
So that's my only concern with. 00:50:59
I mean, the neighborhood watch program, it sounds like it would be super beneficial and I can totally see the benefit of it. 00:51:01
But it also does sound like a lot of talking. 00:51:07
In some ways like. 00:51:09
I've just I've been reporting these types of things for so long that. 00:51:10
I like hearing these other solutions of like, how can we actually enforce this? Absolutely. 00:51:14
There was something else I was going to say, now I'm trying to remember. 00:51:20
But yeah, with with it being a neighborhood vote, my concern is that. 00:51:24
So many of the owners are not even living in Bridgeport anymore. 00:51:28
And so sure, I didn't want it to be maybe misunderstood. 00:51:33
I wasn't saying that we need 75% vote right for, but that's what they used to do. 00:51:36
Yeah. 00:51:41
So that's how, that's how over occupancy used to be enforced was that we had to or sorry, parking. 00:51:42
Let me get that right. Overnight parking, we had to have 75% of the neighborhood. 00:51:47
Of the owners. 00:51:51
Sign a petition that said we want overnight parking enforced here. 00:51:52
And. 00:51:56
So I considered, you know, doing a petition, but we already had so many rentals within that neighborhood that I didn't think it 00:51:57
was even worth my time. Yeah. And and that's the problem I have with that, is that. 00:52:01
It doesn't stop. 00:52:06
Over I can see just those people. 00:52:07
Park in a neighboring neighborhood. 00:52:10
You solve over occupancy. 00:52:12
By evicting. 00:52:13
Yeah, and. 00:52:14
I think the triggers we have right now. 00:52:16
Like I think. 00:52:18
One way to trigger an inspection and attract the water. 00:52:20
The water is like. 00:52:23
Outrageously high to do inspection. There's lots of things that. 00:52:25
We. 00:52:28
I feel like you've been lacking on. 00:52:29
And we've got to change that. 00:52:31
The best way to solve over occupancy is just to enforce the laws on the book. 00:52:33
Can I share a thought and maybe ask? 00:52:36
For Ezra's opinion on this too, and maybe. 00:52:39
Some direction from Zach and and for David and Legal later. 00:52:43
So I had. 00:52:47
Mentioned I talked to Maria about the code enforcement because that's been the continual. 00:52:48
Drum that's been beat as we've talked about parking, as we've talked about the congestion on streets. 00:52:53
And one of the things that she explained, and I'll make sure I share this link in my my council meeting recap, but. 00:53:01
Was that complaints need to be sent through the report a concern portal? 00:53:07
So that's one thing that we need to make sure that people are aware of exists so it can be used. 00:53:12
And then subsequently the only mechanism that the city has. 00:53:17
According to this e-mail that she had sent me. 00:53:21
Was. 00:53:24
Fines, and she could impose a daily fine for a violation. 00:53:25
But unless there's maybe some, and this is where I would say we need to find some legal counsel on this. 00:53:29
Unless there's a way that we could tie it to something for enforcement. 00:53:34
Then it never gets paid and it doesn't matter. 00:53:38
Yeah, and that's what David is talking about. Orem requires that if it's a renter. 00:53:43
For them to have a business license, I think it's $50, it's not a big fee getting that business. Well, they're working on that. 00:53:48
Yeah, we have that program being developed, but by putting that in. 00:53:54
The to get the business license. It then solves the occupancy because it's tied to that and you can evict. 00:53:59
The business. 00:54:05
We have to be careful. We talk about evictions too, because and we. 00:54:07
The people were evicting are not that are not the main perpetrators. They're they're they're victims. The renters, they were, 00:54:10
yeah, they're renting. They're over renting. They rented there in good faith. 00:54:14
Correct and the. 00:54:19
And the owners wanted to. 00:54:20
Didn't do it in good faith. 00:54:22
I'm going to do this. We're getting off into. 00:54:24
Yeah, please go ahead. 00:54:28
So I've talked to Maria multiple times. When this happened back in May, she reached out to me, I gave her addresses and she goes. 00:54:30
Well they say it's not true. I found a post from the man who had said there is 8 rooms in this house, put all of it how it's a 00:54:37
bachelor pad, has a putting green, the whole thing. I said I have a post with his name on it. 00:54:43
With the address sent to her. 00:54:50
Never heard back from her and that's that my friend that was next door to that has moved because of it. This is why she left 00:54:52
Vineyard same story. It's so sad I never want to move but that's what happens but I just I don't even know Maria but dead end dead 00:54:57
end dead end do it through the portal send in all the information say it well have to go off of what they said so I like the water 00:55:02
idea like we. 00:55:07
Somehow we have to hold them accountable because they're gonna lie. And I agree. The people that live in there, I feel bad because 00:55:13
they don't know it's the owner, but somehow we have to. 00:55:17
Get in or they're just going to keep lying. 00:55:22
Don't even live in a stateless lady well, and there and that's and that's the problem. They don't live here locally. We how can we 00:55:26
get let me reach them. 00:55:29
And so it seems to me a business license that we can pull their business license and just shut the place down totally. I'm gonna 00:55:32
I'm gonna remember the conversation if it's the kind we're kind of getting. Can I just say one thing? I'm so sorry a little bit, 00:55:37
But yes, go. I just wanted to address because I really appreciate that you said this is the route right over occupancy. Couldn't 00:55:42
agree more. But we know how government moves. We know how this is gonna go right? This will take. 00:55:47
A very long time to address the over occupancy. We might even need someone that's just. 00:55:53
Specifically assigned. 00:55:57
To deal with. 00:55:58
Yeah, these things, right. 00:55:59
So in the meantime, while the neighborhoods are still unsafe for our children. 00:56:01
I think. 00:56:05
Solution that we can form much quicker without having to pay all of this extra money to hire someone initially. 00:56:06
Is the overnight parking. 00:56:12
Right. So I did want to just bring that up when it comes to this neighborhood issue is like. 00:56:14
At least that disincentivizes. 00:56:17
Eight people from wanting to move into a home because they don't have somewhere to the park, they don't want to get ticketed and 00:56:19
they don't want to have their nine boyfriends and girlfriends staying overnight. So I do think it is worth mentioning like. 00:56:23
Yes, that's the route, but we have branches that can be addressed now. 00:56:28
And so. 00:56:31
Let's keep that in mind. I love it. Thank you for the comment there. I'm going to let some. 00:56:32
Let's circle back to the 4.1, the neighborhood committee idea. If we could, yeah. 00:56:37
Any direction so I think it sounds like we we like the idea the neighborhood committee. Ezra, do you want to say anything about 00:56:44
the neighborhood committee? What? Yeah, no, I I think the neighborhood watch program is a great. 00:56:49
Like. 00:56:55
Kind of catalyst where there's also resources, even federal resources grants people can apply for. So it's not just more talking, 00:56:56
but it is. 00:57:00
We have some resources behind. Hey, we want to solve this problem. We want to take action on this. There's, there's. 00:57:04
Things available. 00:57:09
And so I do love. 00:57:10
Kind of that structure that's already in place and I think we could stand something up a lot faster if we kind of work through 00:57:12
that structure to to get all the neighborhoods involved and at the table and have those. 00:57:17
Be our kind of official representatives. Love it. 00:57:21
Yes, Holden, One last thing on the parking. 00:57:23
So the city did. 00:57:25
Basically create three options. The 75% to say no overnight parking period, 75% to say overnight with. 00:57:27
With parking permits. 00:57:34
Or the city does have the prerogative if the council wanted to implement a parking program in any. 00:57:35
On any public streets within the city. So if enough people from Los chamber that you guys as a council felt. 00:57:40
We're going to implement a no overnight parking in the Chaminade unless you have a pass like some of the other neighborhoods have. 00:57:46
You have the the ability to do that. 00:57:52
Awesome. So OK, so putting that out there is good and I like I said I did research some stuff we can. 00:57:55
I really agree with the comment that you said here. There's. 00:58:02
This is a. It almost feels like a systemic problem, right? But we can. 00:58:04
Do some things. 00:58:10
To like. 00:58:11
Not make it get worse or maybe help out a little bit. 00:58:13
In the in the time because I'm thinking about our neighborhood, the sycamores. 00:58:15
You know, we live on the South end of town. We're starting to. 00:58:19
Deal with it, too. I mean, I have. I mean, Rachel, how many gals live next door to us? It's. 00:58:21
9 You know, they're all return missionaries. They're amazing. Great. 00:58:25
Awesome gals. But you know, it's like you said, they have boyfriends and it's like holy cow. So I think that. 00:58:30
We just gotta. We gotta. 00:58:36
Figured this out and you could do it right but. 00:58:37
There are some stuff that we can do. 00:58:39
Kind of to. 00:58:41
Intermittently to. 00:58:41
To help. 00:58:43
And get get some of the pressure off of it so. 00:58:44
Any other any other comments about the neighborhood committee? 00:58:47
Direction we should. 00:58:50
Go there before we jump onto the next item. 00:58:51
Sure, go ahead. 00:58:56
Yeah. 00:58:57
Please. 00:58:58
I'll make this super quick. 00:58:59
How can we get our neighborhoods out from underneath the Master HOA? 00:59:01
I would love an answer on that. Why we're still under. 00:59:05
That HOA. 00:59:08
When we're built out and. 00:59:09
Could you define over occupancy? 00:59:11
More than four unrelated individuals, more than four OK. For a family, you can have as many if they're related, OK. 00:59:14
And then as they were talking. 00:59:20
Because I'm in Providence and we started the parking program. 00:59:23
You could also do 75% of the people who still live there. 00:59:27
Instead of all of the homeowners just. 00:59:31
75%. 00:59:33
People live there. 00:59:34
Thank you. 00:59:35
OK. 00:59:37
Thank you. 00:59:38
Let's do this. Let's. 00:59:40
Umm, let's give some direction to Councilman Holwood if we could. I think that we're aligned with this idea. I like working hand 00:59:41
in hand with Holden. 00:59:45
And, umm. 00:59:49
I think that there's a lot of. 00:59:50
There's good alignment there. 00:59:52
And I think we should get it going because I. 00:59:53
I really agree with the concept. A couple concepts I really like that has been said. 00:59:56
I like decentralization. 01:00:00
And letting neighborhoods make decisions for neighborhoods that just needs to happen. I. 01:00:02
Live in the sycamores. I don't want to make be making decisions for le cheminant. 01:00:06
We'll just get it wrong. 01:00:09
Right. Umm. 01:00:11
But also on the second thing, I do agree, I think that. 01:00:12
With. 01:00:15
Perhaps some neighborhood watch or just some help I want to have? 01:00:16
These neighborhoods feel empowered. 01:00:20
Where they can. 01:00:22
Feel like they can kind of. 01:00:23
When it's appropriate, right control their own destiny and and kind of fix the. 01:00:25
Fix the problem. 01:00:29
And so we just got to balance that and I think that kind of what you're talking about here just started outlet's, let's just get 01:00:31
it going and kind of see where it leads and. 01:00:34
Just move in that direction. 01:00:39
I love the challenge tonight to Jacob Wood to move faster. 01:00:41
I hope you take it personal. 01:00:45
And I think you guys will be shocked how fast Jacob Wood will work on this. Yeah. And I like that you challenged him because, 01:00:47
like. 01:00:50
He. 01:00:53
He's motivated so. 01:00:54
If we can get as fast as. 01:00:56
We can. And then the second thing, I think it's important that the city redefine what? 01:00:58
Kindness is. 01:01:02
You know, because you'd say, oh, you're evicting someone. That's so mean. 01:01:03
No, it's not mean. Kindness is the people that purchase their homes with a dream about being to live there. 01:01:07
And they're following the law and then other people come in and don't break the law and having that law applied equally. 01:01:14
Is not mean. 01:01:21
It's respecting people that live there and that has to be restored. 01:01:22
Or we will lose. 01:01:26
Our community will lose our. 01:01:28
Our neighborhoods and they'll turn over so fast. 01:01:30
And I've seen it in the inner city. So we have to, it's the broken window concept. We have to apply it. 01:01:33
And it's got to be. 01:01:39
We've got to have this in. 01:01:40
30 to 60 days. 01:01:42
Like, let's get it. 01:01:43
Our top priority. 01:01:44
OK, awesome. Sounds good. 01:01:47
OK, let's move on to item 4.2. 01:01:49
Council Member Wood will lead a discussion regarding changes to towing enforcement. 01:01:52
Predatory towing practices and 24 hour. 01:01:57
Notice discussion. 01:02:00
Yeah. So I don't have anything to present right now. I'm still working through the details and what the city attorney and working 01:02:01
on some legalities of it. But for context, this is about predatory towing booting practices that residents have been dealing with 01:02:06
mainly in. 01:02:10
Middle point in the vine. 01:02:14
Including use of spotters. If you guys know spotters are. 01:02:16
And funny enough, actually was talking to Dave Laurie about this yesterday. 01:02:19
After I hung up the phone some guy texted me and I'm not going to read the entire thing but. 01:02:23
Basically you have he. 01:02:27
Parked his car outside of his apartment for like 5 minutes. 01:02:29
Came back and was towed. 01:02:32
He had to pay $400 to get his car back. 01:02:33
So yeah, again I'm looking looking for. 01:02:36
Working through legalities of it, but the concept I'm thinking of. 01:02:39
Is like a 24 hour notice before your car is towed. 01:02:42
Or booted. 01:02:46
I think that can be that can help. 01:02:47
Address the predatory behavior or use of spotters so. 01:02:49
But. 01:02:52
We'll talk about this more next week, Councilman. Any. 01:02:54
Any any discussion on that to give him direction or thoughts on that as or do you have a comment? Yeah, no, I love that. 01:02:57
The recognition of the differences and the challenges that each neighborhood faces with with this where we have. 01:03:04
Some areas in that recognize lakefront. 01:03:09
It made no sense to have people getting towed out of those spaces that were right there. It met the needs for the parking. 01:03:12
But then on the opposite end of town, we're dealing with the exact opposite issue where there's too many rooms if you're renting 01:03:18
those out. 01:03:21
Again, like like we've heard today, it can become a problem very quickly. 01:03:24
And in those areas again. 01:03:29
Even I mean. 01:03:32
If I had a neighbor that had. 01:03:33
Eight or nine people living in there and their problems didn't leave the house. 01:03:35
I personally don't even really care. 01:03:39
It's what is the effect on the rest of the neighborhood and stuff. And so being able to address that symptom. Thank you Holden, 01:03:41
for mentioning that, that this is something we could implement. Bridgeport and Legend, they're both. 01:03:46
Public streets. So even though bridge sports in an HOA. 01:03:52
It's in our purview to set. 01:03:55
Restrictions We could set overnight restrictions at our next meeting if we wanted to. 01:03:57
Based on, you know, direction we received so, so thank you for for acknowledging that and and bringing that up and. 01:04:02
And I also see here on the. 01:04:08
The overnight parking for the Springs, the request to continue that so. 01:04:10
Thank you so much for. 01:04:14
Taking the time to. 01:04:16
To all everyone be here and share those issues and I'm just, I'm glad to. 01:04:18
Glad that we're making this our top priority and going to fix this. This was a huge issue that I dealt with. A huge reason why I 01:04:23
wanted to even be on the council is is to help. 01:04:27
Maintain our neighborhood like we. 01:04:31
We're losing it so quickly and every time. 01:04:33
Wonderful families and friends moved away. 01:04:36
It just hurt me so bad. And so I'm glad to know that, you know, there's something we can do about this and that you guys are 01:04:38
supportive of. One last thing, I think culturally that I'd like Maria or those that are looking into this of like, I love coming 01:04:43
in. 01:04:48
Airing our dirty laundry in a City Council meeting and it's recorded but like. 01:04:53
I I think that if the culture was set. 01:04:56
That like, hey, the temperature is getting turned up. 01:05:00
In this particular issue. 01:05:03
To be able to have that. 01:05:05
The appointed neighborhood person to say look. 01:05:07
We're going to call a meeting. 01:05:09
Most of these places have. 01:05:10
A clubhouse. 01:05:13
Or a centralized look if they can't. 01:05:15
Come here. Great city halls. We're going to bring everybody together. 01:05:17
And. 01:05:20
The. 01:05:21
I think we should appoint somebody on the council to be that. I mean, I think Jacob would kind of has that assignment. 01:05:23
To be the referee with the enforcement person you know and the sheriff. 01:05:29
In identifying like. 01:05:33
What is that culture if there is? Because you get out alignment, right? 01:05:35
And just saying. 01:05:39
Let's get everybody in the room. 01:05:40
Seven days from now we're going to have a meeting where the whole group can come together, talk about it. 01:05:41
Come together with. 01:05:46
What that community decision is? 01:05:46
And solve it so that they don't have to come to a. 01:05:48
Public comment period and be like my neighborhood, my neighborhood, my neighborhood. You know what I mean? It's just not the forum 01:05:51
and we need a better have a. 01:05:54
A vehicle, especially with code enforcement like if it's breaking down. 01:05:57
Code enforcement might be different at different neighborhoods, so that's what I hope to come away from of like empowering that 01:06:02
neighborhood leader. 01:06:06
To listen and hear it and serve and adjust that. 01:06:09
As necessary so. 01:06:14
Can I add something on the towing? 01:06:17
Go right ahead, Sir. Yes, please. 01:06:18
We do have an ordinance, a city ordinance on towing that we implemented. 01:06:21
Several years ago to try to crack down on predatory towing. I mean the process right now of revamping that because of some state 01:06:25
code that came out. So if you cool if we could get together and work on that, I can let you know where the state law was that they 01:06:30
say they can and can't do sure on this immediate issue. 01:06:36
Like if they want to do that, like could we propose? 01:06:41
Seven days from now, it's kind of fast, but. 01:06:46
Could we let them know? For Bridgeport, though, we're considering that. 01:06:48
For a week from now to talk about parking and putting that in. Is that too fast? 01:06:52
Would we need 3 weeks to put that in? 01:06:58
I don't think we would need very much time. I know it doesn't feel like a lot of time to do that. 01:07:03
Could instead of having it come here, could we try this out the first thing and say, hey, we'll sync with Bridgeport, find a 01:07:09
place? 01:07:13
Have a community meeting about it and solve it. Does Bridgeport? I assume you have like a Facebook group or like a ward? 01:07:16
GroupMe OK. 01:07:23
That you could. 01:07:25
OK, OK, mostly everyone does this already, right? So we're like, and you probably already came together about what the solution 01:07:28
is. 01:07:31
Right. Almost every neighbor, almost every neighborhood already has their solution, which is awesome. Yeah. So So for clarity, 01:07:35
now, does Bridgeport have their very own? 01:07:39
Our HOA, they have the HOH support and not part of the overall. 01:07:44
No, it's water. It's just waters edge. Yeah. So maybe that's a place for. 01:07:48
But I wasn't invited to the meeting. 01:07:52
Right. So the city telling him that, Yeah. 01:07:54
And I have come to the microphone. Yeah, yeah. Come on up, Sir. Yeah. Have you stated? 01:07:58
Can you state your name? 01:08:03
Yeah, Marcos Jiroli, OK. 01:08:04
We do have a rental. 01:08:06
We we got to leave while we pull the permits, have the city come out, pay the fees or whatever it was. 01:08:08
The problem is not. 01:08:13
That people are ruining, right? That people are doing illegally. 01:08:14
That on permits. 01:08:17
They don't build a parking spot you're supposed to if you have a rental. 01:08:19
Yeah, those are the people that you have to go after and not the ones that are doing it right. I own a business. I have to park my 01:08:22
truck in front of the house because I don't have. 01:08:26
The house was so. 01:08:31
Put so close together that there is no way for me to make more parking to do that. 01:08:33
So if you guys. 01:08:37
Sorry, kind of annoying, yeah. 01:08:40
If you guys enforce a. 01:08:45
Where do I put my business track? 01:08:48
I can. 01:08:51
Do anymore parking? I don't have that. 01:08:53
Luxury because the hazards are so tied together. 01:08:55
So do I make my front yard? 01:08:58
A whole parking lot. Like how do we address? Let's be logical about this and not just because some people are. 01:09:00
Bought her. 01:09:06
Best change the whole thing. 01:09:09
The city screwed up by making the houses all tied together. 01:09:10
That if you fire, your neighbor hears you. So yeah. 01:09:14
That's one problem, right? 01:09:17
I will propose. 01:09:21
We get rid of the front. 01:09:22
Where the trees are in the little patch of grass and make more parking. 01:09:25
Widen the streets. Something like that. 01:09:28
I know that costs a lot of money. 01:09:30
I don't know. 01:09:33
How do we fix that? 01:09:35
Yeah, that. Let's be logical about this. And that's just not. 01:09:37
If you're going to enforce something. 01:09:40
Because if the city were. 01:09:42
To do that, I had to find it. 01:09:44
There's no way. 01:09:46
I either have to move. 01:09:47
I don't want to move. 01:09:49
Or I had to fight it. 01:09:50
Because I can not park the truck. Yeah. 01:09:52
So let's put more. Let's take more time and think about this. 01:09:57
Before we get to a point where start suing. 01:10:01
Each other. 01:10:03
Right. Like I said, you know the root cause of this is all over occupancy. I really believe the city wasn't foreseen. 01:10:04
The laws on the book has released occupancy. 01:10:11
If the city. 01:10:14
Held developers accountable. 01:10:15
Force them to build enough parking. 01:10:18
I don't think we'll be in a situation so I think it's been. 01:10:20
A top down fire from. 01:10:23
The city and. 01:10:25
We have to address root causes. We can't do Band-Aid approaches anymore. We've got to address root causes going forward. 01:10:26
To address his concerns. 01:10:34
Sorry, the the the root cause of the illegal. 01:10:36
Rentals correct? 01:10:39
But but even then. 01:10:40
When? When? 01:10:42
The over occupancy of the illegal renters and you're getting 6 to 8 go away. 01:10:43
You're going to have, I mean, what's crazy is not only do you have work trucks, but you have. 01:10:48
Somebody got divorced and they need to live in your home for a little while, like. 01:10:52
Because you got rid of so many cars you're gonna have. 01:10:56
By that neighborhood captains like, hey, we're not. 01:10:59
In compliant we have one extra work car here. 01:11:01
But also. 01:11:04
There are certain situations where it's like why do I have a tree and green space here? 01:11:05
We need an extra parking lot and the neighborhood person is saying, look, we want to. 01:11:10
Black cement this over and that's the solution that the neighborhood. 01:11:15
Group has come together and said, hey, that's what we're trying to do in this particular corner to solve your problem. That's what 01:11:20
I wanted to do. But then the. 01:11:23
I said no, you have to have green. 01:11:27
Right. And that's and these are these kind of creative solutions is what we're trying to. 01:11:28
Inspire with the neighborhood of like. 01:11:33
Great. It was built and that's where it was, and that was the plot. But would we be able to, Yeah, solve that? Yeah, you can do 01:11:36
that then. 01:11:39
On an individual basis and they were not on the street, right, But then? 01:11:43
Choice, but even if you get rid of it. 01:11:47
The patch of grass and trees and make parallel parking you will fix a lot of the issue. Make the correct. 01:11:50
And that's what we're hoping that like these meetings at the neighborhood level. 01:11:57
Like the back and forth is coming together and going, hey, we feel like there's consensus here, but then them coming to the city 01:12:02
and asking for that flexibility to go. 01:12:06
Hey, on this specific section, we're going to get rid of the trees because of this. 01:12:11
Because of this particular issue, yeah. 01:12:15
That way we know it's the voice of the whole, because I could see the other part. 01:12:17
The community comes back and says. 01:12:21
We love the trees and they're going to destroy it. It's like. 01:12:22
OK, there isn't a consent, but what we understand is that there needs to be a consensus and and tonight is about. 01:12:25
We want that conversation to be at the neighborhood level and there needs to be a framework to solve this. And that framework 01:12:31
doesn't exist and it's broken and we and so that needs to be set up so. 01:12:36
Yeah, go ahead. 01:12:41
Please. 01:12:42
OK, I was just going to say this is something I failed to mention before. 01:12:45
I think there's a lot of hot button where it's being thrown around like eviction and towing. 01:12:49
I think it's no question that Marcos is renting appropriately. 01:12:54
And that's obviously not the problem. 01:12:57
Had been thrown around that I know has been done in previous. 01:13:00
Rental or sorry previous neighborhoods is like a certain number of permitted overnight parking passes per household. So you 01:13:02
provide proof of residency. 01:13:07
And then your household receives one to two parking passes, depending on what? 01:13:11
The neighborhood or the council? 01:13:16
Deemed appropriate and then Marcos would have no issue parking his work truck. 01:13:17
And we're not talking about four to six cars spilling out onto the road. So I think there is a happy medium there. 01:13:22
I don't want Marcos to feel like we're trying to. 01:13:29
Ban all rentals. 01:13:32
Obviously he's doing it the correct way and its owner occupied. 01:13:34
That's a big difference between his house and the houses that are on my street. 01:13:37
So I just want to throw that out there. I don't think anyone in Bridgeport is proposing. 01:13:42
No overnight parking period. We all have family trying to come visit. We all have different circumstances. 01:13:46
But I think there is a way. 01:13:52
There's there's got to be a middle ground between what's happening right now. 01:13:54
And. 01:13:58
Like towing all overnight cars, that's not what we're looking for. 01:14:00
Yeah, OK. 01:14:03
Thank you. 01:14:05
Any other? 01:14:07
Comments on the this. 01:14:08
Kind of got sidetracked, yeah. 01:14:10
No, it's all right. I really appreciate the discussion. I, you know, we're. 01:14:12
We're talking a lot about. 01:14:15
It's good to get context and kind of weren't nowhere to understand where the neighborhoods are at. 01:14:17
Kind of Councilman Holdaway's point, what he is saying and. 01:14:22
I really agree with it. Like we really want to work with the neighborhoods and get a. 01:14:25
Actionable solution. 01:14:29
With you. 01:14:31
And so I think that we're making some good steps. I love the neighborhood Watch program. I love what? 01:14:33
Councilman Wood Jacob Wood has suggested here getting this. 01:14:38
The HOA Neighborhood Committee up and going. 01:14:43
And but I think that I think that. 01:14:45
What I'm hearing and I know. 01:14:47
It's up in. 01:14:50
The parking problems have been pretty bad up on the Northside of town for a while and there's just a lot of fatigue. 01:14:51
There just is. 01:14:57
And I think the charge that I'm going to give to council is let's try to move this along as fast as we can. 01:14:58
With the understanding that. 01:15:04
We may not get it perfect. 01:15:06
And we let's, but let's just keep chipping away at it. Let's just. 01:15:08
Overtime we'll get. 01:15:11
Actionable, workable solution for everybody where we can, you know Marco, so you can feel comfortable and everybody else because I 01:15:13
do think that it's. 01:15:17
The problem is pretty nuanced and it's a whole boondoggle of how we got here. 01:15:21
And but I think if we just. 01:15:26
The commitment be to work together. 01:15:27
And yeah. 01:15:29
Adjust as we go along. I think that will just really help set a framework to how we can get this to a better state than what it is 01:15:30
today. So my only call to action would be for the communications department. 01:15:36
To start. 01:15:42
Talking about this thought process so that neighborhoods, not just the religious groups or the Facebook groups or. 01:15:43
That umm uh. 01:15:50
They say start thinking about leadership. How your what is the solution for your neighborhood? What does that leadership look 01:15:51
like? Consider serving in that leadership. 01:15:55
So when Jacob does. 01:15:59
When we do vote to get this together, we can have good. 01:16:01
Representation and and. 01:16:05
How that leader is? 01:16:06
Picked in each neighborhood might be different and if that neighborhood can come together with a solution of like. 01:16:07
This is how we're going to pick the person and this is how we feel. 01:16:13
I think that's good. 01:16:16
Like I think that's their solution, right? 01:16:17
So I think there's some. 01:16:19
I can work with social media. 01:16:21
I think it would be good to have a. 01:16:22
Like a. 01:16:25
Process outlines kind of some instructions, some basic instructions for neighborhood to follow. 01:16:26
Yeah, umm. 01:16:32
So it can be handled very quickly. 01:16:33
OK. 01:16:35
Now we need to vote to do this in a. 01:16:38
In a in a meeting right to like form, this is just a working session. 01:16:40
So we can bring that back. 01:16:44
Towards the vote of with those guidelines to help organize it and then we'll. 01:16:46
Probably want to. 01:16:51
Take a map and dry out. 01:16:52
What those neighborhoods are and. 01:16:54
Yeah, Ezra, do we need to? 01:16:56
Do we need a vote on anything regarding? I mean, we'd have to vote on the ordinance changes, all that stuff. 01:16:58
Do we need a vote on anything in your point of view to oh, no, we don't. He can commit. He can submit any committees. You have the 01:17:03
authority. 01:17:06
Yeah, I'm mistake, yeah. 01:17:09
So we can get this committee going, but yeah, like neighborhood watches already, it's underway, for example. So if we want. So the 01:17:11
question is staff. So we're good to go on that. We can just action it. 01:17:16
And we can get, I can get a commitment. 01:17:21
But again, if we want to. 01:17:23
Hey, change up an ordinance or code or. 01:17:24
Get rid of treat, whatever that. 01:17:27
Probably would have to come back for. 01:17:28
For both so. 01:17:30
OK. And then I know community developments not here, but. 01:17:32
My idea as far as getting something for Bridgeport Le Cheminot kicked off the ground. 01:17:37
Quickly, uh. 01:17:41
Is to offer one pass to every. 01:17:42
Household like automatically. 01:17:45
And then a second pass could be applied for. 01:17:47
Through the city that way. 01:17:50
We know that. 01:17:51
The over occupied rentals aren't just coming in and. 01:17:52
And getting that second pass automatically, we can collect some information about the rental and. 01:17:55
I think that could people can stand that up really quickly and that could go through our current parking. 01:17:59
Program that we have right and that's. 01:18:05
One of the concerns I heard from. 01:18:08
You, Jacob, was that people were. 01:18:10
They were like making copies of parking passes and. 01:18:12
Like, holy smokes. But they're all digital, correct? Is that? 01:18:15
It depends on the enforcement mechanism we want to use for the parking. So that would be one thing on the time frame and for sure 01:18:18
out. 01:18:21
How we want to enforce this, whether we want to let the tow trucks do it, whether we're doing it, whether we want to. 01:18:25
Hire somebody that you know, code enforcement that's doing parking for us. There's some options there we can discuss. 01:18:29
Yeah, OK. 01:18:34
Awesome. 01:18:36
OK. Well, I think that we've made some. 01:18:37
Covered a lot of ground in this and I think we got good. 01:18:40
Line of sight on. 01:18:43
Maybe making the? 01:18:45
I'm a little bit better. 01:18:46
And that's intent. 01:18:47
With. 01:18:49
With the commitment that we're going to stick at it. 01:18:50
Until we feel comfortable with it. So awesome. 01:18:53
Anything else before we move off this HOA? 01:18:57
Neighbor committee predatory. 01:19:00
Telling we good to go, Parker. 01:19:02
Anything you want to add there? You good brother. OK. 01:19:04
All right, awesome. 01:19:07
Thank you, love the discussion. 01:19:09
OK, so we're going to jump into 4.3 now. Go over the budget process discussion. Councilmember Mccumber. 01:19:11
Will lead us out on that. Go ahead, Parker. 01:19:16
Thanks, I've got David bringing up. 01:19:19
Some copies of the budget process right now. This should have been well, I know it was emailed to all of you because I was seated 01:19:22
on the e-mail. 01:19:25
There we go, and then I'm passing down a copy of an e-mail that I sent. 01:19:29
To Zach Adams, he's our city treasurer. 01:19:33
And I asked him for his feedback. 01:19:36
On. 01:19:39
Kind of some of these proposals and ideas that we're about to discuss. 01:19:40
Largely what this is. 01:19:43
Is that as I went through the? 01:19:45
Budget process. 01:19:48
As it was previously done. 01:19:49
I was concerned at the lack of council participation and City Council oversight. 01:19:51
And I reached out. 01:19:57
To staff members and I said hey look, it seems like we really only have. 01:19:59
As a council, one or two touch points. 01:20:03
On the city budget and how it's formed. 01:20:06
And. 01:20:09
I said, look, we all ran on transparency. 01:20:10
So or sorry, we ran on transparency and accountability. 01:20:13
And oversight for the budget and I would like us to have some more involvement in that so that it's not only staff owned. 01:20:17
Until it's published. 01:20:23
So on the. 01:20:25
Budget process that David just handed you. 01:20:27
The second page has the calendar of events. 01:20:30
I've kind of proposed. 01:20:33
Just tying some. 01:20:35
Actual do outs. 01:20:37
Some tangible products. 01:20:38
To those as a best practice. 01:20:41
And I'd love to get everybody's feedback on this. 01:20:43
These are just. 01:20:46
Type things that I've used running businesses in the past. 01:20:48
So on. 01:20:52
February 25th. 01:20:53
4th That is our. 01:20:54
Off site budget. 01:20:57
Retreat. 01:20:58
What the? 01:21:00
Previous budget calendar has. 01:21:03
Said that is is it's essentially us getting together and sharing the vision of the council. 01:21:05
With the. 01:21:09
City staff. 01:21:10
And that that influences their planning of the budget. 01:21:11
I'd like to propose that we. 01:21:14
Essentially tie. 01:21:17
A due out to that that we're going to formulate. 01:21:19
What we would actually like to. 01:21:22
See, with the budget clearly designating. 01:21:25
What must be funded? 01:21:27
What would be nice to fund? 01:21:29
Justification thresholds for new programs. 01:21:31
Or any? 01:21:34
Excessive new spending. 01:21:36
And report those deliverables. 01:21:38
Back to. 01:21:42
A City Council meeting or to the the taxpayers. 01:21:43
And feel free to just chime in if you have a question or a concern as we go down the checklist here. 01:21:47
Sure. 01:21:52
March 11th, that would be Gate 2, so just following our March 9th revenue projections. 01:21:55
That. 01:22:01
We essentially approved the budget rules. 01:22:04
Things like. 01:22:07
What? 01:22:08
Line items have clear purpose. 01:22:09
Who's the owner of those line items? 01:22:11
And what the defined performance metric is going to be. 01:22:14
To demonstrate the need for that budget. 01:22:18
Ideally. 01:22:23
There would be no new recurring spend without identifying A funding source. 01:22:25
And we would do that by this gate. 01:22:30
Then gate 3. 01:22:33
Would be in March, March 16th through March 31st. 01:22:35
That would go in line with the department meetings where the department heads are. 01:22:39
Doing their their part of the budget process. 01:22:43
Before they take anything to finance. 01:22:46
I would recommend that the departments submit. 01:22:49
Their basic budget to the City Council. 01:22:52
With their desired add-ons, So what they absolutely have to have. 01:22:55
For their operations. 01:23:00
As well as what they would like to add. 01:23:02
In the fiscal year. 01:23:04
And that again should be tied to specific outputs. 01:23:06
It should also include. 01:23:09
Any of the reductions of the cuts that they're making. 01:23:11
And. 01:23:14
Having these tradeoffs provided to the City Council gives us an actual opportunity to have. 01:23:15
Oversight on what their operation is. 01:23:19
What they're adding, what they're subtracting, how they're growing or changing to serve the community at large. 01:23:22
April 6. 01:23:28
Gate 4. 01:23:29
Would be that the finance department compiles a red line version of the budget. 01:23:31
And provides it. 01:23:35
To the City Council. 01:23:36
Then April 29th we receive. 01:23:39
A proposed. 01:23:42
This is something that I was actually a little bit concerned about. 01:23:44
In the cities. 01:23:47
Budget calendar for April 29th. It says that the City Council will receive a tentative budget. 01:23:49
That is confidential. 01:23:54
I am a little bit frustrated. 01:23:57
That it's listed as confidential, I don't see why. 01:23:59
A city budget is being. 01:24:02
Hidden from. 01:24:04
Taxpayers. 01:24:05
So my. 01:24:07
Thought would be. 01:24:08
That this probably stems from. 01:24:10
Finance not wanting to. 01:24:12
Alarm. 01:24:14
Or frustrate people with something that's not real yet and that it's just a draft. 01:24:15
But I think is a best practice. 01:24:19
Ideally, the City Council would receive that draft budget. 01:24:22
We would have a couple days, maybe a week to go through. 01:24:25
Mark it up, have our concerns. 01:24:28
Bring it back to the city staff, have those conversations, and then actually publish the. 01:24:30
The draft budget. 01:24:34
Maybe in a City Council meeting so that we can get feedback from the residents on the budget and the initiatives associated with 01:24:36
it. 01:24:39
OK. And then the last gate? 01:24:47
May 13th through May 27th. This would be the last meeting prior to. 01:24:49
Our vote to approve a budget. 01:24:54
With what I just mentioned about us seeking feedback. 01:24:59
From the staff. 01:25:03
And then publishing that draft to collect feedback from the residents. 01:25:05
We should be able to submit questions to the. 01:25:09
Staff about anything that is concerning or that the residents have brought up as a concern in the budget. 01:25:12
And then that gives staff time to go through. 01:25:18
A couple weeks. 01:25:21
Answer those questions, bring back the data or the issues to us so that we can have. 01:25:22
Some actual informed decision making throughout this process. 01:25:27
Questions. Comments. Concerns. 01:25:30
You mentioned a retreat. 01:25:34
On the first one, it was February 24th. 01:25:36
Correct on the calendars that scheduled. 01:25:40
I believe it's on the calendar. 01:25:43
Tony, you can you say that I have one listed on the calendar, but I was going to double check and confirm if it was still going to 01:25:45
be an off site budget retreat Tuesday, February 24th. 01:25:49
Yeah, There's a standard, standard City Council meeting. Is that when is that when you meant? 01:25:55
No. So the previous. 01:26:00
Budget process included a off site. 01:26:02
At the end of February. 01:26:06
The previous city staff. 01:26:08
Had scheduled. 01:26:09
And they emailed this out to all of us after we were elected. 01:26:11
That the annual budget retreat. 01:26:15
Was February 24th of this year. 01:26:18
So that is a separate from a council meeting. 01:26:22
To answer your question, OK. 01:26:25
Could it be possible to have? 01:26:27
A meeting notice so we can all you know and outlooks real. It's on our calendars. 01:26:29
Can you and I'm I'm to. 01:26:34
I don't think it has to be an off site retreat or anything like that. I'm perfectly happy to come and sit and do it and just do 01:26:37
the council chamber. Yeah, yeah. 01:26:40
I'd strongly recommend to do it here in the council chambers. I know many citizens like to attend that. 01:26:44
Well, and anything we do, this is a personal note. I would like it to be publicly noticed and let anyone come that wants to come. 01:26:50
It has to be. Yeah, it has to be. 01:26:54
I think are we going to have a finance? Oh, sorry. 01:27:01
The other thing too is I think that. 01:27:04
If we get. 01:27:06
I'd like to have it here closer. I think last year it was up but. 01:27:07
Mill Creek. Mill Creek, Yeah. So it wasn't able to turn a couple things I would just like to point. 01:27:11
We have our new finance director will be starting. 01:27:16
When is is that? 01:27:19
Next week. 01:27:22
So. 01:27:23
The interim. 01:27:24
Yeah, interim. Yeah, sorry. The interim Finance Director will be starting next week. 01:27:25
Getting his feet wet, I think that. 01:27:30
I think that this is. 01:27:34
If we have good participation from council and just with recognizing that we're going to have to. 01:27:37
Dig in. I think that this is. 01:27:44
Doable. I think this. 01:27:48
I really love, I personally really like all the steps here, Parker. 01:27:50
I just, I think it's great. 01:27:54
So anybody else? 01:27:57
For those watching at home. 01:28:00
There are some big changes to this and it's incredibly important. 01:28:02
You're talking about being transparent with the budget instead of having it confidential. 01:28:07
You're talking about us leading and knowing about it instead of staff directed. 01:28:12
Like this is a complete cultural change. 01:28:16
And within a month. 01:28:19
Before the budget is actually voted on to give time to constituencies. 01:28:20
An entire month to review and look at everything detailed. 01:28:25
I I think that the only thing that the auditor. 01:28:29
With the many, many calls that they had. 01:28:32
To being able to see like. 01:28:35
Really high level. 01:28:40
$75,000 Travel 50,000 Miscellaneous. 01:28:43
It was just put into. 01:28:48
What level should we directive should we give to staff on specificity because you don't want to micromanage. I mean, I know you 01:28:49
have to say gas and you got to say. 01:28:54
You know. 01:28:59
Not travel, but. 01:29:00
Conference and conference name. 01:29:01
Is there a? 01:29:03
Dollar amount that we give staff to be like. 01:29:04
We need to be. 01:29:07
Pretty specific and and name what? 01:29:08
What it is? 01:29:11
Like on the I think we get into that as we kind of go along. I think that was part of the first meeting that you were going to 01:29:12
that we talked about there and just say, hey, this is kind of. 01:29:17
Set those. I mean ideally to me everything. 01:29:22
Has a line item. 01:29:26
Right, everything has an owner. 01:29:28
Everything has a justification. 01:29:30
OK. And I think as long as it's the end gate of Gate 6. 01:29:31
Of we're going to be dialed in at the end so that. 01:29:36
By May you have an entire month. 01:29:41
So the. 01:29:43
The city. We're publishing that a month early. 01:29:45
We got it. 01:29:47
The an hour before we got a 24 hour notice and then I got it an hour before the meeting to vote on it. 01:29:48
You know, so I think that's a. 01:29:56
Just cultural change for sure. So these are very lofty goals and and that's the goal here. I don't. 01:29:59
I mean if you look at the. 01:30:05
Staff proposed budget calendar versus the dates that I've. 01:30:07
I've proposed. 01:30:10
With the do outs associated with them. 01:30:11
There isn't anything. 01:30:14
Massive. 01:30:16
No, it's, I mean it's just progressively building on itself, right, right. And the transparency is tied in at each step along the 01:30:17
way, correct, that we didn't have. 01:30:21
Yeah, OK. 01:30:26
Over on this level, I'd love to hear your guys thoughts down over on this side of the. 01:30:28
Over here. 01:30:33
Yeah, I just. 01:30:34
The new the interim finance director is he? 01:30:36
Or whoever it is. 01:30:39
Are they familiar with? 01:30:42
With these dates and. 01:30:43
Have they kind of confirmed the timeline you mentioned? Kind of. 01:30:45
Them getting their feet wet and. 01:30:48
Yeah, this, I mean this is the first time I think any absorb seen this right here, so. 01:30:50
I've not. This has not been presented to him, no. 01:30:56
So should we just confirm? Because I'd hate. 01:31:00
I mean, the finance person, all these are finance department, yeah, a lot of them are the finance department function. They're 01:31:03
gonna run the projections for us and all those things. So we need to just make sure that. 01:31:07
They're aware of for sure the timeline and when they provide that to us. When did you say that the interim? 01:31:12
Directors starting next. 01:31:18
Well, Monday is a holiday, right? 01:31:21
Tuesday, yeah, Tuesday. So he'll have a little over a week and 1/2. 01:31:23
Yeah, I think so. At least collect some of this data. 01:31:28
Yeah, for sure. And and he has the staff still with him. 01:31:32
So I don't think it's impossible. Yeah. And we, we do have as I kind of cracked open and I've started looking at the budget 01:31:35
process, we do have a pretty good. 01:31:39
Start on it, jump on it. Just. 01:31:44
From what they've done in years past. 01:31:46
So it's not going to be like. 01:31:48
We're not recreating this from. 01:31:50
Nothing, right? It's gonna be tweaking and adding and. 01:31:52
As we go along, so which will be helpful. 01:31:55
I don't know if you guys want to say anything on the record about. 01:31:58
Goals. Desires. 01:32:01
To cut the budget or overall? 01:32:03
How much, how little? But I think. 01:32:06
Citizens can expect that, do we? 01:32:08
Did you guys have anything you wanted to? 01:32:10
Chat about about this right here. 01:32:13
Look good. 01:32:15
OK, what time are we planning on the retreat? 01:32:16
Well, I think that. 01:32:19
So this was the 24th. The day of the 24th is when they were doing Wednesday night meetings. So it might that. 01:32:21
The 24th might we want to move it? 01:32:27
To maybe the 26 or. 01:32:29
Sometimes that works for everybody. 01:32:31
The 24th. 01:32:34
Is a Tuesday? Yeah. Just you know. 01:32:35
I'm traveling back. 01:32:38
From DC that day. 01:32:40
On the 24th, so if we could. 01:32:41
And I would love to make it. 01:32:43
Available when citizens. 01:32:45
Could attend like yeah. 01:32:46
You know, because it is a like if we started at like 3:00 in the afternoon. 01:32:48
Like so they could. 01:32:52
Do you? Yeah. How long that first first meeting, Parker, what do you envision that being? Is that like a? 01:32:54
Well, what was 2 hour deal? 01:32:59
The reality, maybe. 01:33:01
Council member Holdaway, you were here. 01:33:03
There was a lot of fluff last year. I mean, I don't think we're going to do a lot of fluff. No, I don't think a lot of great with 01:33:05
you and leading it, no way. 01:33:09
I would strive to keep it under. 01:33:14
Three hours, I guarantee it wouldn't go longer than that. I mean, I think we did. 01:33:17
4 1/2. 01:33:21
But there was no dollars. 01:33:22
There was no budget. 01:33:24
There was no. 01:33:25
Money. Mm-hmm. 01:33:26
So I think, I think if we go with the directive. 01:33:28
Of showing money and talking finance and having department heads. 01:33:31
You know, ready. 01:33:36
I think. 01:33:38
It will be much shorter and to my. 01:33:39
I guess. 01:33:42
Understanding of the best practice here the real goal of the. 01:33:43
This end of February meeting that starts the budget process. 01:33:46
It's to hear from. 01:33:49
The department heads. 01:33:50
And for them to hear from the council and get alignment on how we're going to proceed forward. 01:33:52
Right, so it doesn't have to be. 01:33:56
Crazy in depth about, hey, we have $30 million and this is how we're breaking it all down. Yeah. 01:33:58
It's just it's more just getting alignment. 01:34:04
So I think that work session was kind of a good. 01:34:07
The one we had on Thursday. 01:34:10
A good example of like. 01:34:11
Here's what we want you to focus on and that allows departments to say, OK, if you want me to accomplish these. 01:34:13
These are the resources I'm going to need and then they can come back to us later. 01:34:19
And you know, the next month or whatever, so that. 01:34:22
That's great. 01:34:25
Sounds good. 01:34:26
Do you want to say Thursday the 26th? Then is that what you want to say? Wednesday. What does that look on? Look at your calendar 01:34:27
real quick. Is that Thursday 20/6, 3:00? 01:34:31
Thursday the 26th, 3:00 to 7:00, if you run late, you run into the UVU basketball game. I can't do that. So we got a hard stop 01:34:37
then. So you want to do Wednesday the 25th? Let's do it. No, I think Thursday works great. 01:34:43
Is that our chief? Our chief won't be here on that. 01:34:52
Thursday just F2. 01:34:54
I'll be in Florida. 01:34:58
You will be, just tell him what his budget is. Excuse. As long as you bring a good souvenirs man, we're totally fine. 01:35:02
OK, so we'll pencil that in. 01:35:10
So you said Thursday 3. Let's just do this. Parker, do you want to sign? 01:35:12
Yeah. And we just do it here at the just do it here. 01:35:17
That's fine with me. OK, Yeah. Could you send out a? 01:35:20
Yeah, 2:00 PM Sounds great. 01:35:23
2:00 PM. OK. 01:35:24
Sounds great. 01:35:25
All right. 01:35:28
Yes, David. 01:35:29
Well, when will that document or the schedule be published? 01:35:31
I'm perfectly content sharing this now. 01:35:36
Is there any reason not to? It was. 01:35:39
The city staff is the one that emailed it to me. 01:35:41
That's up to you. 01:35:44
Yeah, you can have my copy. 01:35:45
Cross out the. 01:35:48
I already got it. 01:35:49
We can put it on social media with a just a advisement. Would you, would you post that? 01:35:51
Yes, OK, Now see if you wanted to forward it to me too, I can. 01:35:57
Can do that. Get it out to a PDF and attach to the minute. 01:36:01
Attach it to the packet after the fact. Sounds good. 01:36:04
So tentatively, while we're shooting for the first one. 01:36:07
February 26th, 2:00 PM. 01:36:10
We just need to be some of the date corrections as we go, yeah. 01:36:13
Yeah, I think that's the only thing with the changes like specific dates and when deliverables are due. 01:36:17
So and again most of these deliverables like you would have the meeting. 01:36:22
You have a meeting. 01:36:30
In April and then you have a deliverable a couple days later. 01:36:31
Right, so they. 01:36:35
They support each other. 01:36:37
The meeting should enable the deliverable. 01:36:38
OK, awesome. 01:36:40
OK, sounds good. 01:36:43
Well, let's move in that direction. 01:36:44
And get going on the budget. Thank you so much. 01:36:46
All right. We're going to jump now to let's see, this would be 4.4 RDA reimbursement expense and audit discussion. 01:36:49
I'm going to turn the time over to Councilmember Larae to lead that discussion. 01:36:55
OK, you bet. 01:37:00
So. 01:37:03
One second. 01:37:04
Get it up here. 01:37:06
We want to, first of all, I want to say thanks to Carsten Walker. 01:37:09
For his work with helping us with the. 01:37:13
Getting the RDA organized and so forth. 01:37:15
And and he's a lot of work on the groundwork, this resolution. 01:37:18
But you've all received in your e-mail a resolution. 01:37:22
For the help. 01:37:26
Help with the RDA? 01:37:28
Reorganize the RDA board a little bit and and what the way we do things not not the personnel, but you know the. 01:37:31
Some of the things we're doing and also to put together a. 01:37:36
A chance for the. 01:37:40
To continue the audit that was started earlier on. 01:37:41
So essentially. 01:37:44
I'd like to. 01:37:47
If you have it up or not but. 01:37:48
Got some of the whereas as I'd like to look at. 01:37:51
So the one. 01:37:54
This is just the one that was emailed. Yeah, emailed only it didn't get attached. 01:37:58
OK, sorry. 01:38:02
Yeah. 01:38:04
It's a resolution of the City Council. 01:38:06
Acting as the governing board, the. 01:38:08
Authorizing the mayor to sign an interlocal agreement with Chris Harding to conduct a targeted audit review. 01:38:11
Of the Vineyard Development Redevelopment Agency. 01:38:17
So it's all. 01:38:20
Anyway, we go through several things. I want to make one change to it. 01:38:21
There's the last whereas on the first page, whereas Chris Harding possesses professional credentials. 01:38:25
And experience in municipal finance. 01:38:31
Internal controls. 01:38:33
Fraud examination and public accountability is sufficient in that such interview. 01:38:35
Review. It's just true. 01:38:39
I want to eliminate the the word fraud examination. I don't expect we're going to find fraud. 01:38:41
Per se. And I don't want to set that expectation necessarily. I don't want to scare off anybody. 01:38:45
Because you know. 01:38:51
Were anyone involved with? 01:38:52
With the RDA, we want them to know that we're just trying to get a handle on the finances and how they're being spent and so 01:38:55
forth. 01:38:58
We may find something like some overspent. 01:39:02
We're spending somewhere we may find some. 01:39:04
Places we didn't spend enough? I don't know, but we want to find out. 01:39:07
What's going on there? And get controls in place. 01:39:10
So I'd like to eliminate that. 01:39:13
OK. 01:39:15
I also want to. 01:39:17
Point out on the second page the. 01:39:19
Whereas. 01:39:21
Says whereas the council and RDA board find that a temporary pause on RDA reimbursements and payments is necessary. 01:39:22
Until payment policies and procedures are implemented. 01:39:29
Documentation supporting previous payments is provided. 01:39:32
And the audit? 01:39:35
As described in the resolution is completed and presented to the Council and RDA Board. 01:39:36
This pause then is indefinite type of pause. It's anticipated. That wouldn't last more than two or three months, I'd expect. 01:39:41
But I want to get some thoughts on it. What do you guys think about? 01:39:48
About pausing all activity all. 01:39:52
In that way. 01:39:56
Any thoughts? 01:39:58
I would just reference our contextual obvious. 01:40:00
Contractual obligations. 01:40:02
That could be incredibly problematic if we. 01:40:05
Have a statutory obligation. 01:40:08
Not a statutory obligation, you might have some of those, but if we have contractual obligations to make payments. 01:40:10
And we just pause it via resolution that. 01:40:16
Could be very problematic, yeah. 01:40:19
OK, so we want to. 01:40:21
Want to keep in? 01:40:22
I think I think the purpose of this is that there. 01:40:25
Contracts. 01:40:28
And the guidelines of how to pay are not there. 01:40:28
The procedures are not put in place as what the audit found. 01:40:32
And that until procedures. 01:40:36
And processes are in place. 01:40:38
To show that that no payment should be going out until that is established so if they could. 01:40:40
Forthcoming. 01:40:46
Show that we. 01:40:47
They have a copy of our policies. 01:40:48
One I think they would have. 01:40:51
Produce those during the initial audit already, but if they. 01:40:53
Come about them, then yeah, then they move forward, but until. 01:40:56
Those policies or procedures are produced. 01:41:00
Writing out checks with. 01:41:03
Emails or. 01:41:05
You know, not sufficient documentation and we don't have. 01:41:07
A contract in place, then yeah, I would pause it, but. 01:41:11
I agree if they have a contract. 01:41:15
But I would I would specify the. 01:41:17
You know those policies and procedures. Just because I have a contract doesn't mean. 01:41:19
The RDA director. 01:41:24
Is going through the right procedures to verify the work has been done and that's what the audit showed. So I think that's what 01:41:26
we're seeing here. 01:41:30
Can I? 01:41:34
Ask maybe a question of Zach. 01:41:35
Yeah. 01:41:37
Council meeting. 01:41:40
We discussed. 01:41:41
A subcommittee I think you appointed. 01:41:43
Council member Holdaway and Larae, Yes. 01:41:47
To review the RDA. 01:41:50
As part of that. 01:41:53
I asked a clarifying question and you said that the. 01:41:54
They would include in this. 01:41:58
Scope of their subcommittee and work. 01:42:00
A review of staffing. 01:42:04
Or personnel to support the RDA. 01:42:06
Do you is there any progress on that? I think a lot of the issue here. 01:42:09
Is that? 01:42:14
So much of the RDA is tied to the city operation, yeah. 01:42:15
And it really needs to be a separate entity and it needs to have its own staff to support it. 01:42:19
I don't think that needs to be huge, and obviously it would still work. 01:42:24
In close conjunction with. 01:42:27
The city. 01:42:29
But uh. 01:42:30
If you have a staff that was completely. 01:42:31
What's the term? 01:42:35
Their purpose was to. 01:42:36
Provide these policies. 01:42:38
Appoint the procedure. 01:42:40
Oversee it. 01:42:42
Underneath the board, I mean. 01:42:44
You make a good point and we want to do that. In fact, one of the things I wanted to get to is, is it? 01:42:46
Right now, the way that the finances are handled. 01:42:51
Is that the city basically keeps 4% of any monies coming in. First of all, the RDA money is coming to the city. 01:42:54
The city then makes them available to the RDA and then. 01:43:01
Already sends bills to the city. The city then. 01:43:04
Pays them. 01:43:07
So they handle the finances for the RDA. 01:43:08
And they just keep 4% of whatever their money comes in. 01:43:10
As an administrative fee. 01:43:13
To cover that. 01:43:15
Other. 01:43:16
Many of the other Rdas around the state. 01:43:17
They charge 6%, but they're also very much smaller. 01:43:20
We have the largest RDA by volume by far. 01:43:23
And so even though it's only 4%, the number of dollars is. 01:43:26
A lot bigger. 01:43:30
So I'm So what? 01:43:31
I would I would want things I want to do is I want to ask if we could have. 01:43:32
Councilman Nair help us with this to actually find out exactly what it is. 01:43:38
What work we're doing for the RDA is, well, the next maybe. 01:43:43
Quarter or so? 01:43:46
Find a way to. 01:43:47
Figure out exactly who's doing work with the RDA and how much time they're spending and so forth so we can evaluate. 01:43:48
Whether that 4% is appropriate or not. 01:43:54
I mean, it may be exactly appropriate. 01:43:56
And as part of that, we could also see if indeed full time staff would actually would actually be full time work there for staff 01:43:57
at the RDA. 01:44:01
I mean, is there indeed? 01:44:05
You know what is the workload there? 01:44:07
And so we can better evaluate that with some more data. 01:44:09
And so I'd like to propose that as well. I was going to get that a little later, but. 01:44:12
Now is a good time. 01:44:15
With the concern that Council Member Nair brought up. 01:44:16
I think that if. 01:44:21
You were to just blanket pause. 01:44:22
Reimbursements or payments? 01:44:25
There is probably a high likelihood of litigation against the city, so it would need to be. 01:44:27
A priority, I think. 01:44:34
For us as the RDA board. 01:44:36
To quickly move to adopt policy and procedure and get a support system in place for those. 01:44:38
For prior to acting on this. 01:44:44
OK, I would agree with that. Yeah, but it would, yeah, but at the same rate sending out money with no. 01:44:47
Contractor policy. 01:44:52
Well, we don't send out money without a contract. 01:44:54
All those. 01:44:57
All those monies. 01:44:58
Have to have some sort of. 01:44:59
Correct, but. 01:45:01
Well, I'm not maybe the word contract. 01:45:02
Procedure of. 01:45:04
Following like what percentage increase was not? 01:45:06
Found right. So there. 01:45:09
There wasn't supporting documentation sufficient enough for the audit to say. 01:45:10
Why are you making this payment? And so till that supporting documentation is. 01:45:15
In place. 01:45:20
How are we writing checks? Just sending it out the door, it's like. 01:45:21
That that procedure needs to be. 01:45:25
First, Yeah. 01:45:27
Yeah, Yeah. That's, let me sort of start on that first. I think that's an excellent idea to start on those policies first. 01:45:28
And but once they're in place and I don't think. 01:45:35
You may take us the whole month to get that in place so the water gets all the way down the end of the road. All the 01:45:37
subcontractors know as well. 01:45:41
But that half that, you know, I'm going to make a date certain that after this point we'll do this pause. 01:45:45
I think if needed. 01:45:50
Could be placed in there. Adjust. 01:45:52
Adjusting the language so that. 01:45:55
The tool is at the table. 01:45:57
And based on the recommendation from the auditor of. 01:45:59
That they do have the ability to suspend until that. 01:46:02
Procedure is. 01:46:06
Put in place. 01:46:07
So safeguard. 01:46:08
Make the positive and dependent upon the the auditor. If the auditor finds correct, we're pausing, we should pause, otherwise not, 01:46:09
yeah. 01:46:13
Yeah, that would be much better to. I mean, even even in the audit we had 29% of the invoices tested that. 01:46:17
Said they lacked those. 01:46:24
They use informal summaries rather than supporting, so even we're talking about. 01:46:25
A subset. 01:46:29
Of the ones that were looked at. 01:46:31
Had that issue and so pausing blanket all of them would would not make sense. So I would definitely prefer that. But I did start 01:46:32
answering one question. 01:46:37
And this kind of evolved into a discussion on the whole document. So, so first and foremost, um. 01:46:42
This isn't an interlocal. 01:46:46
Agreement. 01:46:48
Interlocal agreements or with other. 01:46:49
Government agencies and we'd be contracting with. 01:46:50
Or the proposal is to contract with. 01:46:53
Chris Harding is. 01:46:55
An individual, so that needs to change for starters. 01:46:56
Secondly, I understand with Chris Harding's firm you mean is? 01:47:00
Yes. OK, Jason, it's the firm. Yeah, well. 01:47:05
Now so interlocal agreements or specific agreements between 2 government or public agencies so. 01:47:07
We can just say an agreement with. 01:47:13
Chris Harding. 01:47:16
And so those actually. 01:47:20
Just regular agreements wouldn't necessarily need a resolution. We could just. 01:47:21
Have the agreement if we wanted to, yeah. 01:47:25
But then. 01:47:28
When we have this on the agenda, I would love to just see the other. 01:47:31
The the quotes as well this this for our purchasing policy falls into the threshold where we need 3 quotes so. 01:47:34
I think. 01:47:40
You know, based on our experience with Chris, he's got a lot of history, brings a lot of value to the table. 01:47:40
But I do think. 01:47:45
For for this dollar amount we would. 01:47:46
Want to follow our purchasing policy? 01:47:48
Can I ask? I think we already went out to bid for him though. 01:47:50
Can I? Yeah. So that was for that, touched on that at the last council meeting. 01:47:53
Could you share that point again? I think you previously said that that we only received one other bid. 01:47:57
So we so we put out two bids for a specific scope of work and the scope of work was in turn, excuse me, independent audit. 01:48:02
For which we received one bid for. 01:48:11
And we reviewed his. 01:48:14
Bid to ensure it was fair. It was very comparable. 01:48:17
By the day and again I just want to say that the. 01:48:20
What was put out? 01:48:23
Was for a specific scope of work. 01:48:23
You may have to review your policy. 01:48:27
It just seems to me that we lose some of the experience that's already been gained because Chris has already preloaded with the 01:48:30
information here, so it. 01:48:34
Sees me. He could do it with. 01:48:38
Fewer hours. 01:48:39
For sure. Yeah. And that could weigh in. 01:48:41
When we submit the quote if he's like I already did some of this work so that's why I'm way cheaper. 01:48:44
Yeah, that's great. But. 01:48:48
Yeah. 01:48:50
It could be like an RFP type situation where we wouldn't even need to go. I mean I think Chris was proposing 40,000. So if. 01:48:52
It's 50,000. Is that RFP threshold so that we just want to get those three quotes. So this doesn't have to be an extensive 01:48:58
process. We could have this on. 01:49:02
By the time we have the contract, I just want to make sure we OK sounds follow. That's good catch. Appreciate that. 01:49:06
We will work on that. 01:49:12
The other. 01:49:16
The other thing that I see is. 01:49:17
I love that we're going and gathering this information, but. 01:49:20
Krista's not going to be an employee. 01:49:23
Of the RDA. 01:49:27
And. 01:49:28
You know, three to six months, once he finishes this, he's gone. 01:49:29
And we're paying to do that. 01:49:33
I believe that. 01:49:35
It's best that the director not be involved because it is independent and you're going through and. 01:49:36
Doing this, but I do think that it is important. 01:49:43
That we gain institutional knowledge. 01:49:46
Through this. 01:49:49
Because. 01:49:50
You know they're going to be going in, interviewing and getting to know. 01:49:51
All of the different contractor, all of the different players. 01:49:55
And there's such an opportunity. 01:49:58
To have. 01:50:01
Different RDA staff. 01:50:03
Involved in this effort so. 01:50:05
I would love the resolution to state. 01:50:07
We have two people that are helping on the. 01:50:10
Committee of this we've got. 01:50:13
Kim Cornelius and Carson Walker so. 01:50:17
I know they've put in many hours. 01:50:21
I don't know if it's right. 01:50:23
You know, to compensate them or continue to go on that, but. 01:50:24
I would definitely want. I don't want. 01:50:28
Him to spend what was it, 400 hours? 01:50:30
And not have somebody there it within our institution learning through that whole process, yeah. 01:50:33
330 hours. Is his bid OK? 330 hours. 01:50:39
I you know, we want someone within our institution learning about all those 300 so that it is maintaining in our institution not. 01:50:42
Not just. 01:50:49
In a book of a report that Chris here's your reports like. 01:50:50
Somebody knows who all these people are and so I think if we could adjust that. 01:50:54
And add in. 01:50:59
Language that. 01:51:00
Not specific people, but. 01:51:02
The resolution states that we will have. 01:51:04
Somebody. 01:51:08
And let's. 01:51:09
Work on this offline between here and next week but. 01:51:10
Putting in some sort of language. 01:51:14
That can effectively include them. 01:51:15
Compensate them, allow them to be a part of it because they're on the committee. 01:51:19
So that. 01:51:23
We're gaining that knowledge. 01:51:25
Yeah, does anyone have any problem with that? 01:51:26
I think that's great. 01:51:29
OK, so kind of. 01:51:31
In summation of this, right here, so we've got David Luray. Have you been taking notes? 01:51:32
Do you have anything other adjustments anyone wants to make to this resolution? I think that interlocal on top is. Let's fix that. 01:51:36
I like the fraud, you know I don't. I like that comment you had there, David. 01:51:43
So kind of work through this. 01:51:48
Three quotes. We can work on getting some other quotes. 01:51:51
To. 01:51:53
To meet that, to meet our purchasing policy, I think that's important. 01:51:56
Parker had a question that he asked me about. 01:52:00
You know, separating out the RDA from the city operations, I think that that. 01:52:03
Kind as we go through the budget, as we look. 01:52:07
In 2026, what fiscal year is going to be? I think that we kind of we just need to. 01:52:12
To do that. 01:52:15
I was not aware that a lot of the Rdas charge 6%. 01:52:17
I've had conversations with the Timpanogos. 01:52:21
School district board they they have an appetite to get this right. 01:52:23
And I, I floated that to him. I said, hey, I don't. 01:52:27
I'm not sure which members of the. 01:52:30
School board I talked to about this, but it was just hey I. 01:52:33
I'm not sure if the 4% is sufficient to do it right. 01:52:36
So we might need to. 01:52:41
Kind of chat with them about that and see how that looks and get some good. 01:52:42
Alignment. 01:52:45
One of the things we do enjoy right now is we have to benefit. By having city staff work with them, we get the benefit of having 01:52:48
a. 01:52:50
A professional A full time professional take on. 01:52:53
Parts of two jobs, yeah, it adds up, right? For sure. So. 01:52:56
And I think our city is getting to the size where there's, you know, we have kind of two different. 01:53:00
We're dealing with an interesting situation with this whole RDA and the build out of everything that's going on. It's we have the 01:53:04
the day-to-day operations. 01:53:07
Like the public works keeping the streets going and we have this whole building of a. 01:53:11
Basically a city that it's just pretty complex, so. 01:53:15
Making sure that we're getting it right. 01:53:19
The last thing I will say. 01:53:21
Just a point of clarification, how the checks are going right now is I'm signing all the checks and I actually have an RDA. 01:53:22
Payment reimbursement. 01:53:30
It was for something. 01:53:32
I'm I will make sure that. 01:53:33
That we have good. 01:53:35
We all feel good about it before anything goes out until we get that step. Does that make sense? Like I'm not gonna I would just 01:53:37
like I stepped in. I'll make sure that we all you know, meeting the contractually make sure we got all the different. 01:53:43
Yeah, received some proof of work done. Yeah, and I'll be honest, it seems been super helpful. 01:53:50
Just getting me all the information on these checks and he's he's. 01:53:55
Doing a really good job and all the other staff have been great too. So just making sure that we're not we're not signing anything 01:53:58
that. 01:54:01
Is we're concerned about all this, That's just the commitment I'll make. 01:54:04
As we kind of work through this process and. 01:54:08
And uh. 01:54:10
Go from there. So any other suggestions for the alterations for this? 01:54:11
Yes, I would like to. 01:54:15
Just have the agreement on the agenda. So I think we could scratch that last. 01:54:18
A paragraph where we just tell Zach to go and negotiate. 01:54:23
I'd rather just for something of this important, for sure, just bring it back here. Yeah. Hey, Mr. Mayor. 01:54:25
Yeah, you have Nate in the back. Would like to. Yeah. Come on up, Nate. Love to hear what you have to say. 01:54:31
I just wanted to say. 01:54:44
Thank you for going through this process. We look forward to. 01:54:46
We know there's been a committee. 01:54:51
That's been kind of created. 01:54:54
I think it's. 01:54:56
We would love to sit down with you both and. 01:55:00
Kind of walking through. 01:55:03
The existing contracts that we have today. 01:55:04
I think they're much. 01:55:07
You know. 01:55:09
The last 15 years, there was lots of different contracts, Yeah, developers over the years, a lot of those have been consolidated. 01:55:10
And so I think they're actually fairly easy and the process is very straightforward in the contracts of. 01:55:16
What the process should be? 01:55:21
And uh. 01:55:23
We would love to sit down with you even in some of the contracts where the process it doesn't require. 01:55:23
Some some of those contracts require more things than the others. 01:55:29
But we would be happy to include more of the process. 01:55:32
We want to go through the same process with you and if there's money going out, we want to make sure it's going for. 01:55:36
Going for projects that are actually being done and being paid for. 01:55:41
You know there's been about $190 million ish to this point. 01:55:45
Put in. 01:55:50
In cleanup and infrastructure. 01:55:51
In private dollars in about $35 million of that has been reimbursed. Ish. 01:55:54
On our side so I just. 01:56:01
You know, there's, there's a big scope here, there's a lot of work left to be done and we really want to work collaboratively with 01:56:03
you all. 01:56:06
And, and make sure that the process is right, the process is clean, the process is transparent. You know, the city went from when 01:56:09
we built our first house here of 100 residents to 25,000 and. 01:56:14
It's we've gone through a bunch of councils, a bunch of mayors, a bunch of RDA directors, some part time, some full time. 01:56:19
Some part-time engineers, some full time engineers now and it's just, I just want you to know. 01:56:25
That we also want this to be transparent and I think. 01:56:30
We can sit down on a lot of these things and. 01:56:33
And and make sure we're all on the same page. That's the first thing. The second thing. 01:56:38
I and and maybe. 01:56:41
Council Member. 01:56:44
Mccumber, I'll connect with you on this. On the budget side, obviously we're talking and you guys want to bring the cost down and 01:56:46
be transparent. Obviously, the other side of this is the revenue side. 01:56:50
Increasing sales tax revenue. We're spending hundreds of millions of dollars in the downtown area right now. 01:56:55
And there's a lot of sales tax leakage. 01:57:00
Of. 01:57:03
Because the city is not working to. 01:57:03
With the suppliers to. 01:57:06
To claim Nexus for a lot of those materials. 01:57:08
That's going to some of these other municipalities that the city actually could get, and I think that's something. 01:57:11
That could. 01:57:15
Potentially generate a lot of sales tax revenue for the city that we ought to we ought to work on, if that's OK with you, Mayor. 01:57:16
And I know we talked about that, but. 01:57:20
You're super busy as well and so I just. 01:57:24
We're here to be collaborative in all this process. If there's anything we can be helpful with, let us know. We're here to help. 01:57:26
Sorry to take that. Thank you. We welcome that. 01:57:30
Hey, to build on that. 01:57:34
Yeah, no, that's yeah. So let me just talk to that. One of the ideas that Nate, he called me when did you call me a couple weeks 01:57:39
ago and he said, hey, one thing that we should do is that as we're building it, if we can claim he said if we can work with the 01:57:45
state or just kind of there's different programs or ways to say with the materials being. 01:57:50
Right now how it kind of works is if you buy. 01:57:56
By materials in, let's just say, Evanston, WY. 01:57:58
The sales tax recorded an episode of Wyoming. But the interesting thing of like there's so much construction and building going 01:58:01
on, we if we claim it as here. 01:58:05
Right. And they'll have to be some working through it that we can claim it as Vineyard. 01:58:09
Because that's where the end product is going to be, if that makes sense. 01:58:12
So. 01:58:15
It's just like where, where is the sales tax getting allocated and just. 01:58:16
Working through that. So that was. 01:58:19
Did I say that right, Nate? I mean, did I? Yeah, clarify that because I. 01:58:21
It was we're paying millions of dollars in sales tax and some of that is going to other states, a lot of that is going to other 01:58:26
municipalities in Utah. 01:58:30
Wherever the lumber yard is in Utah, but the state code actually allows for it to go. 01:58:35
To where it ends up. 01:58:40
And so some of these like if you go by, you know, groceries. 01:58:42
Luckily we have a grocery store here. Hopefully you're all. 01:58:45
Beautiful residents, customers, but if you go to. 01:58:47
If you go to buy. 01:58:51
You know, something from Home Depot, for example, it doesn't make a lot of sense to buy some lumber and. 01:58:52
Try to get the sales tax pushed to Vineyard but when you're buying. 01:58:57
10s of millions of dollars of lumber that moves the needle a lot and pushes a lot of sales tax revenue to the city. 01:59:01
And we're paying it anyway, so we would much rather see it go to you. 01:59:06
Then go to other municipalities, That's all, Yeah. 01:59:09
Zach, a previous discussion. 01:59:13
That's maybe correlated. 01:59:15
Sure. 01:59:17
I don't think it's been specified was that. 01:59:18
You had an intent to establish an economic development subcommittee at some point. 01:59:20
Where are we at on that? 01:59:28
Well, because that's, I think exactly what we're talking about. Like would facilitate this if hey, we're just trying to fix bridge 01:59:30
ports parking problems tonight, brother. So like one thing at a time. 01:59:35
Yes, David, real quick on Nate's comment, I appreciate the. 01:59:42
Invite. I've always felt welcome to go. 01:59:46
At this point, I'm not a trained auditor to know all of the. 01:59:49
Policies and procedures. But he keeps me apprised. I mean I I talked to Chris quite often of like. 01:59:53
I'm this, I'm there. 01:59:58
Handing me a document and explaining it would just go. 02:00:00
So, but after Chris goes through and puts the policies in place and teaches me through it. 02:00:03
More than happy to come and sit down with you. It's not a cold shoulder, it's just more of a. 02:00:07
He's the person that's leading it. 02:00:12
So and Todd is we need Chris to be able to have it make sense and we talk to you. 02:00:14
Chris. 02:00:18
Yeah, I might sit in on those meetings when he sits down with them for sure. Yeah. 02:00:21
David, did you have something real quick? 02:00:27
Yeah, go ahead. 02:00:28
Yes. 02:00:29
A question and the comment. 02:00:32
The question is if. 02:00:34
We want institutional memory to be developed, to be grown through this process. 02:00:35
Then probably ought to look at someone who's in. 02:00:41
In the institution. 02:00:44
And we know is going to be here. 02:00:46
To maintain that stability continuity, yeah. 02:00:48
For the institution. 02:00:51
And the other part, as a taxpayer, which is a little concerning to me. 02:00:52
Is. 02:00:57
Umm. 02:00:59
The payment to someone. 02:01:03
Hiring someone? 02:01:05
To go through this process. 02:01:08
Through volunteering their time but paying them and I understand I spent a lot of hours. 02:01:12
Volunteering for different things. 02:01:18
But there should be a formal process. 02:01:20
When the city pays someone to do something. 02:01:26
And that process should be. 02:01:29
Public. 02:01:31
That's what I want to say. Can I address that just briefly? So part of the just for the knowledge of everybody here. 02:01:33
When Zach talked about raising the administration. 02:01:39
From 4 to 6%. 02:01:42
That would essentially be RDA funds. 02:01:44
Specified for the administration of the RDA. 02:01:47
And the way it works to my understanding right now. 02:01:51
Is we have. 02:01:54
The RDA director who's paid out of that and then. 02:01:55
A large portion of it comes to the city because the city is doing the work to administer the RDA. 02:01:57
If we were to hire. 02:02:03
Or establish people for those roles. It would be funded through the RDA tax dollars. 02:02:04
And I mean we. 02:02:10
Hiring practices for those positions. 02:02:13
Referring to like. 02:02:16
I agree with you. 02:02:18
Yes. 02:02:22
Councilman hold the. 02:02:24
Microphone. Yeah, Come to the back, yeah. 02:02:26
Staffing for the RDA is 1 issue. 02:02:29
The issue on. 02:02:32
I'm addressing. 02:02:33
It Councilman Holdaway mentioned a couple of names. 02:02:35
Well, people who have been. 02:02:39
Working on this. 02:02:40
With a suggestion that. 02:02:42
We pay them. 02:02:44
That process. 02:02:46
Should be an organized public process. 02:02:49
Yeah, we don't question the worldwide. There should be some. 02:02:52
Yeah, some sort of. 02:02:55
Yeah, competitive process and making sure that we got candidates all that and right now there for sure. 02:02:57
To clarify, right now they're serving as volunteers, they offered, and we're grateful to have them. 02:03:02
Send their time on it. 02:03:07
Correct for sure. 02:03:08
And also the. 02:03:09
And also. 02:03:10
For, I mean, I think everybody knows that. 02:03:13
Carsten over 2 years. 02:03:15
Carson Walker, John Barrick. 02:03:17
And Kim Cornelius were the ones that discovered. 02:03:21
All of the problems from the outside. 02:03:23
Carson was assigned by Mayor Young of Orem. 02:03:26
And as an assignment to look into the RDA to find out why it wasn't functioning the way it should. 02:03:29
And then John Barrack was as well, so. 02:03:35
Hundreds of hours. 02:03:38
Over the past two years. So that's why I'm saying keep that institutional knowledge because they've been supporting me for two 02:03:40
years. 02:03:43
In going through that. 02:03:47
So. 02:03:49
Supporting youth they're not. 02:03:50
They. 02:03:53
They need someone. 02:03:54
If we're going to. 02:03:56
At institutional. 02:03:57
Yes. 02:03:59
It's an excellent suggestion. 02:04:00
Thank you right and and we hiring process. 02:04:02
Right, but I agree a formal. 02:04:06
100% bidding it, putting it out to bid, interviewing, you know? 02:04:08
But yeah. 02:04:13
OK. Thank you. 02:04:15
All right. Well, let's move off that discussion. 02:04:16
Thank you for everyone's comments on that. 02:04:18
One last thing. Do we? Do we? 02:04:20
We have to go ahead to look into staff time spent. 02:04:22
Oh yeah, that was the last thing. Yeah, let's let's start looking into that because I think that and I think that probably. 02:04:26
Yeah, that would be helpful. And can you clarify that, David? What, what were you saying? You said look into staff time. 02:04:32
Yeah, the staff to the time as staff is spending on RDA issues. 02:04:38
If we want to justify an RDA staff, we probably need to know exactly how much time is being spent and see if we have full time 02:04:42
work to do right now because because the majority of the staff work on the RDA Vineyard staffer salary and they don't. 02:04:48
Delineate their. 02:04:55
Swiss need to kind of keep track of hours for a while so. 02:04:56
OK, and can I have Councilman Mayor helping you? 02:05:00
Awesome, sounds good. 02:05:03
OK, OK, great. 02:05:05
All righty, we're going to move on to the consent items. 02:05:07
Let's do consignment 5.1 approval of the February 3rd, 2026 City Council minutes. 02:05:10
I move to approve consent item as presented. 02:05:15
2nd, 2nd. 02:05:19
All in favor. 02:05:22
Hi. 02:05:23
Any nays? 02:05:24
OK, awesome. 02:05:25
Alright, we're going to move the business. Item 6.1 Overnight parking permit. 02:05:27
Area at 100 W and 470 N The Springs Resolution 2026-2. 02:05:31
This looks like councilmember would ask that we. 02:05:37
Continue this item. 02:05:40
Yeah. Can I ask? 02:05:43
If maybe any of the staff knows, was there any progress made with the survey that we directed? 02:05:46
So I'm still waiting for a couple responses from some property owners, so that's OK. 02:05:51
Continue. OK, so you've been conducting the survey, not the staff? 02:05:55
OK, OK, great. 02:05:58
Can I get a motion on that to Yeah, I move to continue item 6.1 to a future meeting? 02:06:02
Can I get a second? 02:06:08
2nd. 02:06:09
Awesome. All in favor. 02:06:10
Aye, any nays? 02:06:12
Do we? Do we want to specify the meeting? Otherwise we can just strike it and add it back on whenever we. 02:06:14
Yeah, let's. 02:06:19
When do you think Jake? 02:06:20
Jacob. 02:06:22
Yeah, OK. 02:06:23
Probably sometime. 02:06:26
I'd say, would it be two weeks out or a month out? What do you think? 02:06:28
OK, two weeks. Let's just leave it as a because if you say a specific date. 02:06:32
You have to. 02:06:38
Bring it in, OK, Sounds good if you leave it open like this and. 02:06:39
When you're done, you're done. You bring it back, OK. Otherwise it's just kind of striking it. 02:06:42
Yeah, OK. 02:06:47
There's not really a point to continue with without a date I guess, but OK. 02:06:48
So we'll do 2 weeks, let's put up next or. 02:06:52
OK, what do you? 02:06:54
Let's strike it for now, and then we'll. 02:06:57
Come back if it's available in two weeks and put it back on. 02:06:58
OK. So that would be a different motion then? 02:07:01
So can we recall a motion to recall that last motion that we just did and substitute it with a motion to strike? 02:07:04
Second, can I second all in favor? 02:07:11
Aye, aye. 02:07:14
OK. Now we'll do the motion to strike. OK, motion to strike. 02:07:15
6.1. 02:07:19
OK, let me get a second. 02:07:20
Aye, second. 02:07:22
All in favor. 02:07:23
Aye, OK. Motion carries. 02:07:24
All righty, let's chat about this the City Council annual meeting schedule. 02:07:27
Amendment 2.0. Resolution. 02:07:31
Mayor, Mayor, Point of order. We are 4 minutes from 8:00. 02:07:33
So we have kept. 02:07:37
Para Councilman Mccumbers goal. 02:07:38
And I just want to point that out as we start this out because the goal is to have more meetings and less long meetings. And we've 02:07:41
kept the goal of. 02:07:44
8:00 So I just wanted to point that out before you start the discussion. Thank you so much. All right. 02:07:48
OK, let's discussion on that. 02:07:53
Where's everybody at on the current meeting schedule where every other week, Tuesday nights at six? The question is? 02:07:57
Do we want to do more? 02:08:03
Frequent meetings. 02:08:04
Yes, I. 02:08:08
You can go first, that's fine. My question is, you've got every Tuesday marked and so which, which ones do we want to use? Yeah, 02:08:10
right. 02:08:14
Well, the the purpose was that we. 02:08:18
We want to be more transparent than less transparent. 02:08:21
So it doesn't mean that we would be holding those meetings. 02:08:25
And I believe that it would be. I think we're getting through a gluttony of just. 02:08:27
A ton of stuff for the spring. 02:08:31
And until it happens. 02:08:33
Be more proactive of saying. 02:08:35
It's every other. It's every Tuesday telling the citizens that it is. 02:08:37
And then as soon as we know there's not. 02:08:41
Make a notice like. 02:08:43
This one we don't need and then when we get to April saying. 02:08:44
We're done with this. We go back to. 02:08:48
Normal until we get to long meetings like Mr. Mccumber. 02:08:50
Doesn't like. 02:08:54
Then we go back to more as needed. 02:08:55
That was the idea. 02:08:57
It seems like to me. 02:08:59
Kind of where I've been thinking about it. I'd love to hear everybody else's thoughts. A lot of this stuff we can handle with a 02:09:00
work session. 02:09:03
And then bring it to council. 02:09:07
For vote, the work session we had on Tuesday with. 02:09:09
Parks was, I mean amazing in my opinion is super helpful and I think that. 02:09:14
That type of cadence. 02:09:19
Would make sense as well where? 02:09:20
Have work sessions and then whatever. 02:09:23
Comes the work session that we need to vote on. We can just do it. I am very supportive of those sessions because I heard so. 02:09:26
Great power, impactful they were. My only problem is is that. 02:09:32
I only know 48 hours and the citizens only know 48 hours. So like. 02:09:36
Like being able to do that if we could just change that to. 02:09:39
Every two We only do those on Tuesdays from 3:00 to 5:00 or whatever. 02:09:43
Because like, I can't make this coming Thursdays either. You know that you're going to be doing. I want to be there so. 02:09:48
The whole goal is just to be more transparent, organized, of like. 02:09:54
When we do those. 02:09:58
I can block off my professional time and be there. They still want it to happen. But then also that it's just a work session so 02:09:59
there's no votes. 02:10:03
And we can still do it via Zoom. 02:10:07
And there's recordings and there's recordings. 02:10:09
I I listen to the recording but. 02:10:11
But still wanted to participate, yeah. 02:10:13
I wouldn't handcuff ourselves. 02:10:15
With uh. 02:10:17
Excessive work session notification. 02:10:19
Because there's no actions taken. 02:10:22
If we set a hard rule. 02:10:24
That says like you have to notice your work session two weeks in advance to get it on everybody's calendar. 02:10:26
You just prohibit the council from being able to actually do work with the staff, that's true. 02:10:31
That's true and I think. 02:10:35
All of us, at some point in time in our lives, have expressed some frustration or complaint at our government officials not 02:10:36
working enough. That's true, and I would much rather err on the side of us showing up and doing the work than us being lazy and 02:10:41
not. 02:10:45
I agree. 02:10:50
OK, so I'm OK either way, Parker, you're saying we should schedule every Tuesday night? 02:10:51
So we currently have every Tuesday night scheduled, correct? 02:10:55
Yes. And we are still holding meetings. That's the proposal. Proposal is every Tuesday night currently it's every other we have 02:10:58
historically I would prefer. 02:11:03
That we have at least one weekly meeting, whether that's a council or a work session. 02:11:08
Until we're at the point where these meetings aren't more than two hours. 02:11:14
Can we standardize? 02:11:18
When those work sessions take place, like every Thursday at noon or every Tuesday at noon or something? Sure, yeah. 02:11:19
I think that'd be Ezra. You have a cousin. What are your thoughts? Yeah, No, I would just love to. 02:11:25
Say we set the schedule for the whole year of. 02:11:31
Here's when the work session is. Here's when council meeting is. 02:11:35
I think it's. 02:11:39
Just meeting more frequently doesn't necessarily bring more transparency to the public because. 02:11:40
I think having the agenda set out ahead of time and making sure this is the agenda, everybody knows this is the agenda. 02:11:46
We're not sending out five different versions of the agenda ahead of the meeting like. 02:11:52
Has happened. 02:11:55
All the meetings up to this one. 02:11:56
I think it will be very helpful to just say. 02:11:58
All right, we're going to. 02:12:00
Every other week will be a council meeting, we'll vote on items and then we'll have a work session on those those off weeks and 02:12:02
whether they're during the day or in the evening. 02:12:07
As long as we just have the schedule out and say this is our schedule, this is what we're committed to. 02:12:12
Work session council, work session council. That's a great cadence. I think it will. 02:12:17
Allow us to accomplish all those goals and. 02:12:21
Give the public all opportunity to say. 02:12:24
Here are all the meetings for the year and. 02:12:26
I know when they're happening, we don't have to cancel many meetings last minute. 02:12:28
I just want to. 02:12:32
Get that notice out to people so. 02:12:33
If we want to do during the day work sessions, I think we might need to just look at our calendars and see what works best for 02:12:36
everybody. 02:12:39
Otherwise, if we wanted to just say. 02:12:42
Every other. 02:12:44
Tuesday evening is a work session versus a council meeting. 02:12:45
That could be a good cadence too. 02:12:48
Yeah, David. 02:12:50
The purpose for having that the daytime work sessions was allowed staff to come without extreme, you know, overtime and so forth 02:12:51
and. 02:12:55
And now that's actually just helps. That's a good practice. 02:12:59
I look, we are the elected officials and we were elected to do some of the hard things and so we should make time to meet with the 02:13:03
staff when the staff are working. 02:13:07
Yeah, yeah. Sounds good. So when should we do that? 02:13:12
That we're back to win if if we're doing the work sessions. 02:13:15
Biweekly. Umm. 02:13:19
I think it's fine to do them biweekly during a work day and. 02:13:20
Look, we figured out how we're going to do that, but. 02:13:23
We should not overly. 02:13:26
Encumber our people unnecessarily. 02:13:28
Yeah. So sounds like we're not ready to pass a resolution right now. 02:13:31
With the exact dates. 02:13:36
I think that that's kind of where we're at right now. 02:13:38
I move to continue item 6.2. 02:13:41
Continuous strike. 02:13:44
Into a future meeting. Continue, yeah. 02:13:45
To next, I'm going to leave it very blank. 02:13:48
Can I offer a revision to the amendment to Sure? 02:13:50
So continue to next meeting, Yeah, that would be next Tuesday as it currently stands, as it currently stands. 02:13:55
24th, yeah, but actually with the 24th, yeah. 24th, 4th, yeah. And unless there was a special session. 02:14:02
Last week. Next one's the 24th. 02:14:07
Can I can I suggest? 02:14:09
One real quick thing before we vote. 02:14:12
I know staff only works part days on Fridays. 02:14:14
What if we asked them to come in at noon so they started the day later? 02:14:17
So it's still doing the work day. 02:14:22
And they did a. 02:14:24
12:00 to 4:00. 02:14:26
Work session on Fridays. 02:14:28
Does that work for everyone's calendars because still during the work day or are we loving to give them out Friday like they Brian 02:14:30
looks like he'll revolve. No, he hates that I love leaving at noon. 02:14:35
I'll do whatever. No, no, no. I know we want to think about this. 02:14:41
Works. I could do Mondays. 02:14:43
Mondays work better from Thursdays are my. 02:14:46
Important days with the CDC every Thursday. 02:14:49
The Thursdays are OK, so let's look at Tuesdays or Wednesdays then would be yeah Tuesdays are Wednesday, Friday. 02:14:52
We can do Friday morning, yeah. 02:14:57
Sounds like that was not popular, right Cape? And can I look at our schedules? Yes, come back next time. Could I propose 2 hours? 02:14:59
Because like 2 hours I can take. 02:15:04
I can reschedule and if we started at noon. 02:15:08
I can take one hour of lunch, come in an hour. It makes it a little easier for you. I generally stay short. 02:15:11
Two hours as a cap. 02:15:17
Yeah. 02:15:18
Thank you. 02:15:21
Just a little comment when we're. 02:15:23
When we're doing the department meetings, that's the reason for the longer. 02:15:25
Time, yeah, barely fit and I support this wreck on that. 02:15:29
Done last Thursday. 02:15:34
And we still could have used another. 02:15:36
Probably hour. 02:15:37
So maybe I've got them. OK. So we just keep, we don't have to do everything all at one meeting. Like we'll, we'll be having these 02:15:39
regularly. We could, yeah. 02:15:44
Yeah, I'm a big fan of giving people half the amount of time that they ask for. So if you ask me for a three hour meeting, I'm 02:15:49
going to tell you get an hour and a half and then you figure out how to get the meat and potatoes in in an hour. You asked 02:15:53
everyone asked a lot of questions. No Brussels sprouts. 02:15:57
All righty so. 02:16:02
Let's try to corral the horses here. 02:16:04
Where are we at? 02:16:07
Hey, can I ask we're gonna continue this till next meeting. Can I ask are the the group here? 02:16:08
Mr. Pierce, how many council meetings is too many council meetings? 02:16:16
Lord Almighty. 02:16:20
Is it problematic the reason I'm asking? 02:16:25
You think you asked me? 02:16:28
You opened the door, Please. 02:16:31
Microphone is yours. 02:16:34
I wonder how much it's worth at a pawn shop. 02:16:36
One council meeting. 02:16:44
Every two weeks. 02:16:45
To get work done. 02:16:47
To pass laws, passed resolutions. 02:16:48
To finalize. 02:16:51
The business of government. 02:16:55
Because that's what the voting does, is finalize. 02:16:57
Your business. The business of the people. 02:17:00
If you have a second meeting. 02:17:05
Every other week. 02:17:09
And not 2. 02:17:12
Which is kind of the work session, the session you had. 02:17:13
Thursday. 02:17:17
Which was wonderful, by the way. 02:17:18
Awesome you. 02:17:20
The people become weary. 02:17:24
Of the meetings. 02:17:27
Because there's just too many. 02:17:29
For the voters. 02:17:31
To keep track of. 02:17:33
Keep it simple. 02:17:35
If you're going to have meetings. 02:17:37
A work session. 02:17:39
And uh. 02:17:41
A voting session. 02:17:42
It's good, but. 02:17:43
That takes a lot of. 02:17:46
It take it takes your time. 02:17:47
But it it. 02:17:50
Takes the voters time too. 02:17:51
Sure. 02:17:53
And can we ask if anyone else would like to share thoughts? 02:17:55
And I think those work sessions if we used a better technology like Zoom. 02:17:59
Because then you can just chime in Zoom so much better. 02:18:03
To just the configuration of it, setting up a consistent. 02:18:05
Zoom number It's use the phone number of our city. 02:18:10
So everyone knows that this is the work session to chime in and listen to. 02:18:14
Even for council members, that. 02:18:18
Are working, you can listen in. 02:18:20
Listening to the work session, I think that's so transparent and easy. 02:18:21
We are working on. 02:18:25
New technology. 02:18:26
I like that. 02:18:28
So where are we at on this? Do we want to? 02:18:30
I mean, I know it's Florida Tuesday. 02:18:34
At noon. 02:18:37
Should we do? Should we just keep it Tuesdays? 02:18:39
Every other week. 02:18:42
Council meeting. 02:18:43
In the evening. 02:18:45
The other weeks. 02:18:46
12:00 to 2:00. 02:18:47
On Tuesday. Does that work for everybody? 02:18:48
So if we can hammer this out now, that's going to save us, yes, 20 minutes in our next. I like that off weeks it's Tuesdays, 02:18:50
Tuesdays at noon and the off weeks are. 02:18:54
No voting where no voting work sessions similar to special sessions as needed. 02:18:58
Yeah. 02:19:03
No brown bag it. 02:19:08
So the second and 4th Tuesdays will be. 02:19:10
Council meetings. 02:19:13
1st and 3rd would be work sessions, is that fair? 02:19:15
Sure. 02:19:18
OK. I just asked. Whatever you do, you restate the motion clearly. So I. 02:19:20
Know what the heck we're voting on? I moved to adopt Resolution 26. 02:19:27
26-08. 02:19:34
Amended as work sessions will happen on off weeks of the City Council meeting on Tuesdays. 02:19:36
At noon. At noon, Mountain time. 02:19:43
And they will be available on electronic. 02:19:47
Participation. 02:19:50
Is that everything? 02:19:51
Can I add a? 02:19:52
And so. 02:19:54
The uh. 02:19:55
1st and 3rd. 02:19:56
Tuesdays, uh. 02:19:57
On the. 02:19:59
So every every month here has a first and third Tuesday where we're. 02:20:00
In office, so first and third Tuesdays will be. 02:20:04
Work sessions from noon to 12. 02:20:06
Also, let's go ahead and add. 02:20:09
A meeting from 2 or noon to two. 02:20:11
Noon to 2 and then go ahead and add a meeting on February 26th for the annual budget retreat so we don't have to do a separate 02:20:15
thing for that from 2. 02:20:19
To 6:00 PM. 02:20:23
Did we also get in Thursdays? 02:20:27
Work session. 02:20:28
Just Tuesday. 02:20:30
No, he's talking about for the stick. Well, this is what we were talking about in the e-mail earlier. 02:20:31
The city staff departments. 02:20:37
Would like to have. 02:20:39
Individual work sessions so that they can share what their priorities are. They can seek feedback from the council alignment. 02:20:40
That's the one. Like Parks and Rec did last Thursday in a longer format. 02:20:46
They're asking to do those separately from our other. 02:20:50
Work sessions and. 02:20:53
Council, I thought, OK, I thought so. That's a separate item that they're trying to schedule, not to make no more competitive 02:20:56
terminology. It sounds like we need to continue this and pick it up. Sorry, let's keep trying. We're getting close. Here's my 02:21:01
thought. Dang close. 02:21:07
We already have the Council sessions. 02:21:13
And that would be the work sessions on the 1st and 3rd Tuesdays. 02:21:16
The Council meetings on the 2nd and 4th. 02:21:19
5th Tuesday's off. 02:21:21
It'll be great. 02:21:23
Then for these additional sessions, can we just. 02:21:24
Schedule them one off or do they have to be a part of the? 02:21:29
The overall calendar, No, no, they could be special sessions. So can we schedule those as just special session workshops, special 02:21:33
work sessions, special, correct. And they don't need to be on the annual calendar, they'll just be as a department needs a special 02:21:37
works. 02:21:42
OK, that's amazing. 02:21:46
OK, Everyone understands that these are staff requested that we're. Yeah. 02:21:48
That's yeah. OK. Ezra, will you restate the motion? 02:21:52
Because I think you're the closest. 02:21:56
All right. 02:21:58
Across the finish line, Yeah. Wow, this is I I will move. 02:21:59
OK, 2. 02:22:02
Adopt the. 02:22:04
Calendar. 02:22:07
So the resolution that adopts this calendar. 02:22:08
With the note that's starting. 02:22:11
February 10th. So that'll be our first meeting that we're adding. 02:22:13
Because that's today. We don't need to go in the past. 02:22:17
The first and third Tuesdays. 02:22:19
A council work session from 12:00 to 2:00 PM. 02:22:23
And then on the 2nd and 4th Tuesdays, a City Council meeting from. 02:22:27
6:00 to. 02:22:31
They're starting at six. 02:22:33
A budget workshop. 02:22:36
On February 26 from 2:00 to 6:00. 02:22:40
And then? 02:22:43
Additional meetings with staff. 02:22:45
As needed with. 02:22:47
Proper notice. Proper notice. 02:22:50
Perfect. You can do 24 hour notice. That's awesome. Do we have? Hold on, hold on. We're not done yet. 02:22:52
I would like to 2nd that. OK all in favor. 02:22:58
Aye, OK. I'm sorry to be that guy. Oh, Tony. 02:23:01
Roll call, please. All right, we're gonna roll call this. 02:23:05
Starting on my left. 02:23:08
Councilmember Mccumber votes aye. 02:23:09
Council member Holdaway Aye. 02:23:11
Councilmember. 02:23:14
Just me. 02:23:16
Aye, Councilmember Nair I. 02:23:17
OK, motion passes. All righty guys. Good job. 02:23:19
That is all we have for tonight. 02:23:23
There was a. 02:23:26
From the Meadows neighborhood, yes. Should we grab that real quick, please? 02:23:27
Yes. 02:23:31
Very heated. 02:23:32
Was all today on this. 02:23:34
Park. You know that skate park? 02:23:36
A lot of us don't want it. Some do. 02:23:40
And this. 02:23:43
Fizzler Guys has. 02:23:43
It's all proof. 02:23:45
I just want to know some information. 02:23:47
For all of us to find out what. 02:23:50
What's going on? OK, awesome. 02:23:54
Thank you. 02:23:56
Could you? Can you stay? Do you state your name? 02:23:57
Denise Condor. Denise Condor. 02:24:01
Alrighty, let's can we meet right after the adjournment and we'll kind of just look at that and. 02:24:03
And pull out your laptop. So OK, gonna ask if if Brian wouldn't mind coming over or sending the Brian, do you have a second to 02:24:08
come walk? All right, meeting is adjourned. 02:24:12
15 minutes over. 02:24:18
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Event transcript
We are up and going. Awesome. 00:10:27
Welcome everybody. We are going to go ahead and get started. It is February 10th, 2000. 00:10:31
And 26. 00:10:35
And it is. 00:10:37
6:00. 00:10:38
I'm Zach Stratton. Mayor Zach Stratton. I'd like to open up the Vineyard City Council meeting we have. 00:10:40
A special guest here. 00:10:45
From the Stratton household. 00:10:47
Sawyer. 00:10:48
Ashamed him into it to come and give our opening prayer. 00:10:49
And. 00:10:52
Our Pledge of Allegiance. So, Sawyer, come on up. 00:10:53
Just set up up to the microphone right there, buddy and then. 00:10:58
Turn around, do the. 00:11:00
OK, Dear Heavenly Father, thank you for this wonderful day. Thank you that we're able to come here and. 00:11:02
Do a council meeting and. 00:11:07
Please stress out, we can have cooperating and. 00:11:09
Thank you for our many blessings and Stacy's and Jesus Christ. Amen. Amen. Thanks, buddy. 00:11:12
OK. 00:11:18
Ready Vegan? 00:11:21
I pledge allegiance to the flag. 00:11:23
Of the United States of America. 00:11:25
And to the Republic for which it stands. 00:11:28
One nation under God. 00:11:30
Indivisible with justice for all. 00:11:32
Awesome Sawyer. 00:11:37
You know, Sawyer, you get to come over to Tony and get yourself a pen. 00:11:39
If you didn't steal one when they were in the kitchen. 00:11:42
So for prayers. 00:11:44
Pins for prayers. 00:11:46
A Mayor Stratton initiative. 00:11:48
OK. 00:11:50
We are going to start off with. 00:11:51
Public comments so if you. 00:11:55
Do we have anyone that came would like to give a public comment? 00:11:57
All righty, let's start right here in the front. Sir, come on up. If you could state your name. 00:12:01
And keep it. 00:12:05
What did we say, Tony? 00:12:08
3 minutes. 00:12:09
That would be great. Can somebody give me a? 00:12:10
A little indicator when I'm 30. Yeah, 30 seconds away. My name is David Vizani. 00:12:13
I'm from the Meadows. 00:12:18
And I'm here to just share some feelings about the plans. 00:12:20
To beautify, to make use of the land. 00:12:24
I think it's a good thing. 00:12:28
We have just some concerns. 00:12:30
Given that. 00:12:33
That the plans that were right behind our house. 00:12:34
We have. 00:12:37
Some concerns we were wondering, and I've realized from this, we're not going to discuss it, but I'm just going to. 00:12:39
Maybe suggest that? 00:12:45
Some ideas go into some kind of barrier with a natural barrier. 00:12:46
Between. 00:12:52
The properties. 00:12:53
Of the meadows and where the plans are for putting in. 00:12:55
And developing the land for the skate park and for the. 00:13:00
For the other amenities there. 00:13:03
So thank you for your consideration. 00:13:05
I'll go ahead and awesome, Sir. Thank you. 00:13:07
Jake, do you have a? 00:13:10
David, can you come show me what your house is from around? 00:13:11
It's 1 32 sawgrass. 00:13:15
All the diagrams that we saw, I know I covered the whole that's not being taken, so how can we change that? 00:13:28
It's kind of down. It's just the yellow patch, just it only goes right here. 00:13:34
Because the yellow that you saw. 00:13:43
We saw a lot of people were confused. 00:13:46
OK. Thank you, Sir. 00:13:50
Next, yes, please come on down. State your name. 00:13:52
And, umm. 00:13:54
Be great. Yeah, I'm Ariana Mix. 00:13:56
I live in Bridgeport. I just wanted to talk about parking, which I know has been an issue that the community has brought up. 00:13:58
For years. I know I've been here before. 00:14:06
I am primarily concerned with safety. 00:14:10
With kids. 00:14:14
Going to school in the morning? There's for example. 00:14:16
Stop sign across the street from my home and it sees a lot of traffic because it is an entrance to my neighborhood and there are 00:14:19
often. 00:14:24
I usually there's a car parked right in front of the stop sign. 00:14:29
And. 00:14:35
I think that just a. 00:14:36
Maybe some? 00:14:40
Vineyard code enforcement making sure that. 00:14:41
People are. 00:14:45
Obeying the. 00:14:46
Laws. 00:14:48
Would be great. 00:14:49
And. 00:14:50
Yeah. Thank you. 00:14:52
Awesome, what neighborhood do you live in? 00:14:54
Bridgeport. Bridgeport, you said OK, And remind me your name one more time. I didn't. Arianne Mix. 00:14:55
Arianne, could I ask which? 00:15:01
Intersection you're talking about with the. 00:15:03
Stop sign that vehicles are parking too close to. I live at. 00:15:05
Like 420 N. 00:15:09
And then it's just the entrance. 00:15:12
The West entrance to Bridgeport. 00:15:14
There's a stop sign right there. 00:15:18
Awesome. 00:15:22
Yeah, Thank you. And there's generally a car there. So if you drive by. 00:15:23
We will see it. 00:15:27
Awesome. Thank you. 00:15:27
Hi there. 00:15:30
If you can state your name. 00:15:31
My name is Emily Larson. I also live in Bridgeport. 00:15:32
I came to a council meeting back in May or June for the same reasons Ariana did, because of parking. 00:15:36
And it's just a big concern. People don't really care. Most of them are college age kids. 00:15:43
There's the house that lives across the street from Mary Ann that. 00:15:48
They all park in front of there's like. 00:15:51
For single people living there. 00:15:54
Basement with a family they don't have anywhere to park I can understand but. 00:15:55
Had houses, cars parked in front of my house for four days. Go and talk to them. They just don't care because they're college age 00:16:00
kids. And so I think a big problem is code enforcement. But. 00:16:04
I get emails, they say we have to take their word for it and it's like. 00:16:09
There's got to be something we can do. It just is creating big problems, like she said, huge issues with kids. When I am taking my 00:16:13
kids to school, I have to go like 5 miles an hour because kids come out, rightfully so, to cross the street and be terrible if one 00:16:19
of them got hit. So once again, same things Arianne, just more problems with. 00:16:24
Parking and enforcing not enough. Too many people living in a home. 00:16:30
So awesome. 00:16:34
Thank you. Thank you. And Bridgeport as well, Correct, Bridgeport, yeah. 00:16:35
Awesome. 00:16:38
Next. Come on down. 00:16:39
Hi, my name is Dana Blake. I'm also in the Bridgeport neighborhood. We're all showing up tonight. 00:16:40
But along with the parking, we've also noticed that it's becoming less and less safe, even just to pull out of the driveway. I 00:16:48
live on a corner. 00:16:52
And last week, there were. 00:16:57
I I checked all around, I didn't see anybody before I started pulling out and all of a sudden there were four cars. 00:17:00
At that corner and there were cars lined up. 00:17:06
All the way around the corner, so there was no space for any of us. So I had to pull back into my driveway and then they all had 00:17:09
to scoot around each other. And that's a. 00:17:13
Relatively common occurrence in the morning and the evening in that neighborhood just because there's so many cars parked. 00:17:17
On the road at night. 00:17:22
I I know this isn't a back and forth but. 00:17:23
Bridgeport and La Shaman are the two that don't have an HOA. 00:17:27
Right. Correct. Bridgeport does. The streets are public though. 00:17:31
It does, but the street what the streets public. 00:17:36
Right, right. Yeah, no, but just. 00:17:39
In going with the conversation tonight about HI, just wanted to. 00:17:41
Yes, we have an HOA. 00:17:45
Thank you. 00:17:46
OK, awesome. 00:17:48
Thank you. Come on down. 00:17:49
Hi, Brittany Hansen, also from Bridgeport. Yeah, sorry, but yeah. 00:17:51
But yeah, no, I just wanted to. 00:17:57
Reiterate similar points, right? I moved in about two years ago and it's just gotten increasingly more dangerous. 00:17:58
And also. 00:18:04
Affecting my ability to go to work so cars will park right in front of my driveway. 00:18:06
And my husband and I can't leave the house unless we call. 00:18:10
A sheriff to come. 00:18:14
Get a car moved. It's just outrageous. It's affecting, like I said, our ability to go to work. 00:18:16
Take our children to school and the safety of like them being able to. 00:18:20
Leave and go and do what they need to do. So the hope is that we can maybe come up with some sort of overnight parking. 00:18:24
Something. 00:18:30
Just to make it so. 00:18:31
It's a livable city and families don't have to leave. 00:18:32
OK, love it. 00:18:35
Love it. Thank you. 00:18:35
Hi there. 00:18:40
Hi Council, I'm Ali Reid. I also live in Bridgeport. 00:18:41
I just wanted to. 00:18:45
Echo what's already been said about parking and over occupancy in our neighborhood in particular. 00:18:47
I've lived in Bridgeport for six years now and have reported. 00:18:53
Multiple addresses over the six years. 00:18:57
For over occupancy like was said. 00:18:59
We're talking. 00:19:02
At least six renters to a house. They each have a car. 00:19:03
And not utilizing the driveway, so it just. 00:19:07
Floods, carts and. 00:19:09
Cars into our street. 00:19:11
I live in 590. 00:19:13
So that's the back Rd. of Bridgeport. That's where Brittany lives as well. 00:19:15
We've got. 00:19:19
I mean. 00:19:20
Cars blocking my driveway, trash cans moved. There's a box truck parked there right now. 00:19:22
Which I think is against HOA also. But yeah, we do pay for HOA enforcement. La Shawn Minot is the one that does not have HOA. 00:19:26
So I just wanted to speak in favor of some type of. 00:19:35
Overnight parking enforcement in Bridgeport and also. 00:19:40
More code enforcement. 00:19:44
In Bridgeport in particular, because we have so many renters. 00:19:46
And I think that's it. 00:19:51
Do you guys have any questions? 00:19:53
No, I think it's. 00:19:56
Thank you. OK, thanks. 00:19:57
OK. All right. 00:19:59
Yeah, come on up. Yep. Yeah, for sure. 00:20:02
Bridgeport Good job representing. Love it. 00:20:05
I'm from the Chaminade. 00:20:09
The only one here. Come on you guys, we got to step it up. 00:20:10
Goodness. OK. 00:20:13
I know it's going to be broken. Record for y'all. Yeah, same thing. 00:20:15
My wife and I moved in about a little over five years ago. 00:20:20
Till shaman on Ruborda. 00:20:23
Love the neighborhood, great families there. But we have noticed overtime where there's been the issue of. 00:20:25
Sale of a house. 00:20:31
Almost each time it goes to. 00:20:32
Just people, they view it as investment properties. Again, we understand the need for college housing. 00:20:35
That's important. We understand the need for housing. 00:20:42
The only issue is they view it as an opportunity to pack in as many people as they can into the house. 00:20:45
Disregarding the needs of the neighborhood. 00:20:50
So. 00:20:53
And dealing with that issue is difficult because the only time I was able to do something was. 00:20:55
To the left of us we had. 00:20:59
Got sold to from a family to. 00:21:02
An investor. 00:21:04
Just to. 00:21:06
Sales guy and he. 00:21:07
Packed it with six, but then with. 00:21:08
Girlfriend 6 guys girlfriends being over parking was crazy and there is like a. 00:21:11
Street in front of us, that is. 00:21:16
Pretty open, so they see that as a great opportunity just to pack it with cars. 00:21:18
So. 00:21:22
You add that it's. 00:21:23
Pretty exponential. 00:21:25
How crowded it gets. 00:21:26
Across from us now it got sold from a family to again another like sales bro investor. There's 8. 00:21:28
Guys living there. 00:21:35
The difficult thing dealing with that previously is that. 00:21:36
The only way to enforce it, I actually had to. I felt like I had to do like. 00:21:40
Spying on him where I actually had to physically. 00:21:44
Record them. 00:21:47
Saying that they had. 00:21:48
Six people. 00:21:50
In their house was the only way that it could be enforced that without it they were like, we can't do anything, which is 00:21:51
incredibly difficult. 00:21:54
I got him to do it and they acted once, but then all the guy did was. 00:21:58
OK, I got the Fiat to kick out one guy, but the next round he. 00:22:01
Put another person in there and now we've got eight across from us. So it's very difficult to enforce. That's why we're talking 00:22:04
about. 00:22:07
Yeah, some type of overnight. 00:22:11
Enforcement. 00:22:13
To look into it as an option because then if parking is limited at least. 00:22:15
That'll disincentivize them from. 00:22:18
And who? The address of that home? 00:22:22
Of ours or? 00:22:24
Right across. Yeah, let me. 00:22:26
Give it to you. There's two, I mean. 00:22:28
I know it's 4. 00:22:30
The one to less of us left of us is 6. 00:22:31
So let me pull up my. 00:22:33
So the one the left of us has 6 and the one right across 8. 00:22:38
Because I want to introduce myself to the guys. 00:22:41
But to also be like, hey, how's it going and stuff? I'm like, how many guys who live in here? Because I saw quite a few cars. 00:22:43
And the guy there was like. 00:22:48
08 and I was like wow. 00:22:49
So OK, so that one the address is. 00:22:52
Sorry, you're in the basement's going a bit slow, so. 00:22:56
We're at 48 N through Borda. 00:22:59
If I can get my maps working 148 you said. 00:23:02
4848. 00:23:05
Right. 00:23:07
48 No, I'm not guessing like. 00:23:09
I'm like, it's pretty important. 00:23:10
That's the time, so and then it's right across from us. 00:23:12
Like directly. I don't know if you guys can pull up the Google Maps. My phone is not working down here. 00:23:15
That's right next door to the 48, right? 00:23:20
It's so we have guys that live. 00:23:22
To the left of us. 00:23:24
If we're facing looking outside our doors, and then if we're looking outside our door, there's a property directly across the 00:23:25
street from us. 00:23:28
That's on the corner. 00:23:32
Of Ruborda, And was it Rue? 00:23:34
How does math? 00:23:38
Or if it's. 00:23:39
The main one of the main roads there so. 00:23:40
I'll get that information information for you here. Would you mind and. 00:23:42
Could you make a? There's a complaint form online, are you going to see it? 00:23:46
Do a complaint about. 00:23:50
Over occupancy and sure and list the addresses so we can investigate those. OK, Sure, will do. Thank you. 00:23:51
Awesome. Thank you. And just before we. 00:23:57
Leave if I could have you state your. 00:23:59
My name is Hamlet. 00:24:01
Hamlet. 00:24:03
And last name Gordillo. GORDILLO. 00:24:05
Awesome. 00:24:08
Thank you. Yeah, thank you. 00:24:09
OK. 00:24:11
Anybody else? 00:24:13
Come on down, Sir. 00:24:15
I just want to say as a young single adult who bought a house so that I could live there and also rent out. 00:24:19
I did the math before I bought the house and I bought the place that I did over in Lakefront specifically because. 00:24:25
It had four bedrooms and there is a there's a city code that says you can only have four people that are not related living in a 00:24:31
house for these exact for this exact reason. 00:24:35
I did the math and it turns out like, you know, if I had bought a house. 00:24:39
In a neighborhood with bigger homes. 00:24:42
I, I could, you know, possibly could have rented to more people. I could have made more money off of it. I could have gotten a lot 00:24:46
more equity. 00:24:50
But it is against city code and I decided not to do that and so I definitely support doing something about the over occupancy 00:24:54
issue. 00:24:57
Because there are. Yeah. Because it's it doesn't feel fair for people like me who follow the rules and are making less money, 00:25:00
making less equity, and living with less friends because of it. 00:25:05
Awesome. Thank you. Can you state your do we do we Jacob School? 00:25:10
Jacob, why do you guys know me? 00:25:14
Yes. 00:25:15
Awesome. 00:25:17
Anybody else? 00:25:18
OK. 00:25:21
All righty. Well, let's jump on to. 00:25:23
There's still some comments. 00:25:26
Oh, there are some. 00:25:27
Yeah, no, come on down. Yeah. 00:25:28
I wasn't planning on. 00:25:37
Saying anything but. 00:25:38
We're here to represent the skate park. 00:25:40
Initiative. 00:25:42
I know there's a few of us in support here and we've been following it and been involved with it for a few years now and are huge 00:25:44
supporters, these guys. 00:25:48
Are were born on skateboards as. 00:25:53
Was I my whole life and I think. 00:25:55
Just as a. 00:25:58
General note on the. 00:25:59
The benefit to the community and. 00:26:01
The benefit to kids that need a space in an outlet outside of traditional sports, it's just hugely important for mental health and 00:26:03
having a space to express yourself in a different way other than football or soccer or whatever the, you know, traditional route 00:26:09
is and. 00:26:14
That just fits my family. It fits a lot of other families here. 00:26:19
And not only that, it's just it's a great space to. 00:26:23
Be physical and outdoors. 00:26:27
And so we're here to support that and voice the. 00:26:28
Voiced the importance. That's all awesome. Love it and could you state your name? Yeah. Dylan boys, DILLONBOYES and this is Ziggy 00:26:32
and. 00:26:37
Love it. Thanks for coming guys. Are you guys twins? 00:26:42
Just brothers, OK? 00:26:45
Awesome. Come up and state your name please. 00:26:49
Yeah, Nicole has LinkedIn. 00:26:52
Everything that's been shared is so relevant. I'm from La Shamina as well and we've had neighbors that have moved out and their 00:26:54
main reason for leaving has said they don't feel like the neighborhood safe because of the amount of cars. They can't see their 00:26:59
children. 00:27:04
Riding their bikes in the neighborhood and they want to move to somewhere with. 00:27:09
Wider streets. 00:27:13
Less renters and that's just disappointing as someone who bought this home with the intention of staying here for a long period of 00:27:15
time and we don't have kids yet but. 00:27:20
The number of cars continuing to join in and and a lot of them we have another car or another home around the street that has a 00:27:26
lot of individuals in the house that also own a. 00:27:31
Auto Body Shop or a car sale shop so they bring a lot of vehicles home as well to. 00:27:36
Have people that are purchasing cars try out the vehicles. 00:27:41
Just not feeling like there's. So they speed through the streets too, because it's just. 00:27:46
Now kind of a college city. 00:27:51
That it it has made us consider like, maybe we can't be in Vineyard for a long time. 00:27:53
And maybe this isn't a forever home, because. 00:27:58
It's not going to be safe for any future children that we have and it has been disappointing to feel like there is not a community 00:28:01
anymore because of the number of renters that don't feel like it's a neighborhood. It's just. 00:28:06
Transient for them. 00:28:12
Yeah, awesome. 00:28:14
Did you say where you lived again? 00:28:16
Which neighborhood? 00:28:18
Leishmanias. 00:28:19
OK. Thank you. 00:28:20
Thank you, thank you, thank you. 00:28:21
Yeah, whence? Come on up. 00:28:25
If you could state your name. 00:28:29
Be great, yes. When's Flores? 00:28:31
I just wanted to echo what Dylan had talked about with the skate park and I'm here to support that initiative as well. Been 00:28:33
working with some of the guys for the last year or so on it. 00:28:38
Kids, one of them with ADHD, you know, being outdoors, being active. 00:28:44
It's very important for them to have a safe space, an environment that they can be outdoors and. 00:28:49
Do things that are. 00:28:56
Non traditional I myself. I grew up skateboarding, snowboarding, mountain biking and all things that I currently do today. 00:28:57
Which is what Utah offers. They offer such great outdoor. 00:29:04
Landscapes for that. 00:29:09
So the opportunity to. 00:29:10
You know, have my kids join in that and not necessarily. 00:29:12
They're not necessarily into the traditional sports. 00:29:15
This will give them a great outlet to do that, and it's really good for their mental health as well. So I just want to echo that 00:29:18
and support the initiative. 00:29:21
Awesome. Thanks once. Yep. 00:29:24
OK. Yeah, David, come on up. 00:29:28
My name is David Pierce. 00:29:36
Live in the Cascade neighborhood and I. 00:29:37
I just had a thought of. 00:29:39
Was sitting here. 00:29:40
Over the years. 00:29:42
I've heard about. 00:29:44
Different neighborhoods that have had different. 00:29:45
That have all had parking issues. 00:29:49
And the solution is this or that but one solution. 00:29:52
One way to address that issue. 00:29:57
That was brought up very clearly here. 00:29:59
Is over occupancy. 00:30:02
And my suspicion is. 00:30:05
That. 00:30:07
If these two neighborhoods have an issue with over occupancy. 00:30:09
And parking issues. 00:30:14
Then maybe that's one of the roots. 00:30:16
Causes for parking issues in other neighborhoods. 00:30:18
And that should be applied. 00:30:22
Equally through the city. 00:30:24
So city may want to take a look at that. 00:30:26
Thanks, David. Appreciate it. 00:30:29
I'm just going to come up with what different subjects. 00:30:32
I didn't know they're going to be talking about a skate park. 00:30:34
I wanted to echo my support for that. 00:30:36
I just heard it. I'm like, Oh yeah, I've been talking about that. 00:30:41
So a quick note there and also I would love just to get more information from you on. 00:30:43
We have a beautiful little park in Le Cheminant that I would love to see how us as a community. It's a little village there in 00:30:48
Lechem Can. 00:30:52
Add more amenities to it to kind of make it something that can flourish where we use a community can get together for that. So I'd 00:30:56
love to figure out maybe afterward or if somebody can send me some information on how to do that as well. 00:31:01
Do when you have him state his name again, Tony? 00:31:06
No. Oh, you get OK, OK. Anyway, thank you. 00:31:08
Yeah, come on down. 00:31:12
I'll make this quick crystal price. Last meeting I think it was Tim Blackburn that suggested I am. 00:31:17
A need and a want for a post office and a cemetery. 00:31:23
And just a thought, what about Gammon Park for a cemetery? 00:31:28
That's all. 00:31:32
Thanks, Crystal. 00:31:33
OK. Anybody else? 00:31:37
Yeah, come on down. 00:31:41
I'm James Graves. 00:31:45
Live in the Meadows. 00:31:46
There's a lot I love about Vineyard, especially our new. 00:31:49
Leadership. 00:31:52
So welcome and thank you. 00:31:53
I've talked with. 00:31:56
A few people about this, but one of the issues that we are. 00:31:58
Wildly concerned about, especially with the lack of precipitation this winter. 00:32:02
Is the. 00:32:07
Building problem of what could potentially happen in what? 00:32:09
Is called, but not very. 00:32:13
It's called the wetlands. 00:32:15
That surround the neighborhood. 00:32:17
And really, it's just become a tinderbox. 00:32:19
And we almost had a devastating fire take place, but. 00:32:22
Fortunately, someone left a tractor with a key on it and we're able to dig a fire line real quick. 00:32:25
And so. 00:32:30
There's been a few solutions talked about. 00:32:31
I don't know what kind of. 00:32:34
Permission needs to be given. 00:32:37
But I think that's something that if we could. 00:32:39
Make an agenda item of that in one of these future meetings would be. 00:32:42
Very, very beneficial. 00:32:46
Thank you. Thank you, Sir. 00:32:48
Anybody else? 00:32:52
Like to speak. 00:32:54
OK. 00:32:57
All righty. Well, thank you everybody so much for your public comments. 00:32:58
Lot of great things and think. 00:33:02
Thoughts and concerns brought forth. We'll be working for it, Mayor, if I could. 00:33:04
I just wanted to make. 00:33:09
Sure, that everybody. 00:33:10
On your way out if you if you're not staying for the whole thing, just to make sure that you sign the sign in sheets. So I make 00:33:12
sure I spell your name right for the minutes. 00:33:15
Yeah. Thank you so much. 00:33:19
Oh, OK. 00:33:25
Just want to flip over on the back, yeah. 00:33:27
OK, sounds good. 00:33:29
All righty. We have on the agenda presentations, recognitions, awards and proclamations. I'm not sure, staff, do we have anything 00:33:32
that we need to review tonight to go over? 00:33:36
On #3 OK, awesome. 00:33:40
All right, so we're going to jump right into the work session. This is going to item 4.1 is an HOA neighborhood committee and 00:33:43
Council Member Wood. 00:33:46
You should stay for this. The neighborhood people should stay. It's actually. Yeah, we're going to start talking about this is 00:33:50
the. 00:33:53
Over occupancy and how to solve it will be yeah, so. 00:33:58
No, that's great. 00:34:04
So I'm going to turn the time over to Council Member Wood. 00:34:05
Jacob Wood to start to discuss. This is the perfect meeting. 00:34:08
So I'm excited to talk about this. I appreciate the chance to have this as a. 00:34:12
Working session tonight. 00:34:15
This is something I've been working over the last couple months on, and it's also something that came up a lot during the campaign 00:34:17
and a conversation since we were sworn in. 00:34:21
I've talked to a lot of people across different neighborhoods, some HOA's. 00:34:25
And a lot of community members and there's a consistent theme. People want a better way of neighborhood level issues being heard 00:34:29
and solved before the escalate into bigger issues. 00:34:33
On the purpose of tonight's discussion is not to vote on anything yet. 00:34:38
Is to have an open and public conversation about forming a neighborhood committee for Vineyard. 00:34:42
To talk through the framework, the purpose. 00:34:46
And the parameters and then I later meeting decide. 00:34:48
Whether we want to formalize it? 00:34:51
There's nothing more frustrating than having decisions made. 00:34:53
About your neighborhood, by people who don't live there. 00:34:56
Or don't fully understand what's happening on the ground. 00:34:59
Too often we default to the idea that there's a government solution for everything. 00:35:01
When in reality, sometimes the governor's response or lack of response. 00:35:06
Is part of the problem. 00:35:10
We've seen that play out in Lakefront. 00:35:11
Nothing changed until residents pushed back, organized amid a political issue. 00:35:13
That experience reinforced something I believe in strongly. 00:35:19
Neighborhoods understand their own neighborhoods better than government officials who don't live there. 00:35:22
Every neighborhood and vineyard is different. 00:35:27
And every neighborhood is facing different challenges. 00:35:29
Some are dealing with over occupancy. 00:35:31
And lack of consistent enforcement. 00:35:34
Same areas don't have enough parking because of low minimums when they were built. 00:35:36
And other neighborhoods are dealing with predatory towing practices that. 00:35:39
Impact younger residents and. 00:35:42
People from vulnerable populations. 00:35:44
There's not A1 size fits all solution. 00:35:46
In many cases, neighborhoods already know. 00:35:49
Where the problem is longer for the city does. 00:35:52
They know which homes are over occupied. 00:35:54
They know where enforcement isn't happening or is happening. 00:35:56
Unevenly. 00:35:59
And they know where rules on people don't line up with. 00:36:00
Real nice. 00:36:03
The challenge is. 00:36:05
The challenge is there isn't a structured way for that information to be shared early. 00:36:09
Or before tangents are boiled over. 00:36:12
This committee is about decentralizing that process and creating a place for those conversations to happen. 00:36:15
With better, more accurate and. 00:36:20
Current information. 00:36:22
Other cities do this. Do a version of this. 00:36:24
Orem has their own neighborhood committee. 00:36:26
Provo has its Neighborhood District program and Linden has its neighborhood based engagement as well. 00:36:29
Those cities are larger than us. 00:36:34
And their models are more formal. 00:36:36
Elected boards, multi year terms, et cetera. 00:36:37
While not proposing that. 00:36:41
We copy that structure. 00:36:42
What I'm proposing that we is that that concept works. 00:36:44
Vineyard just needs a version of that that fits our size and culture. 00:36:48
So what I'm proposing is intentionally simpler and more flexible. 00:36:52
This would be purely volunteer base open to. 00:36:55
Open participation model. 00:36:59
No elections, no terms. 00:37:01
And no voting authority as of now. 00:37:04
If your neighborhood is struggling, you show up. 00:37:06
If something is working well in your neighborhood, you share it. 00:37:08
The people who show up are the people who care. 00:37:11
And in practice, that's the most meaningful form of leadership. 00:37:13
So we're intentionally centering this on neighborhoods. 00:37:17
Some neighborhoods have Hoas, some don't. 00:37:20
Some people are renters, some are owners. 00:37:23
This is about hearing from people who live there, regardless of how their neighborhood is organized. 00:37:25
Or whether someone rents or owns. 00:37:29
So the basic framework I'm envisioning is a. 00:37:31
One monthly meeting. 00:37:34
Likely in the middle of the month for about 60 to 90 minutes here at City Hall. 00:37:36
Our meetings will be open to people. 00:37:40
From across all neighborhoods. 00:37:41
And focus on. 00:37:43
Issues like parking enforcement. 00:37:44
And over occupancy, safety infrastructure. 00:37:46
And quality of life concerns. 00:37:48
Or even block parties or events. 00:37:50
A council liaison would attend, listen, take notes. 00:37:53
And staff will participate as appropriate. 00:37:55
But the focus will remain neighborhood centered. 00:37:58
Disagreement is expected. Different neighborhoods will have different perspectives. 00:38:01
This committee isn't here to force consensus or settle disputes. 00:38:04
It's here to make sure Council hears the full range of perspectives. 00:38:08
On the ground is an on the ground issues affecting neighborhoods. 00:38:11
So. 00:38:15
I'm not, and I'm not opposed to evolving the structure in the future. 00:38:15
But as of now, I don't think it's wise to impose. 00:38:18
Election or terms or hierarchy before we even know how this will function in Vineyard. 00:38:21
So I'd like to start simple. 00:38:26
And see what works so. 00:38:28
Yeah, so tonight I want to put this on the table as a framework to discuss. 00:38:29
And I'll be interested in hearing you guys's thoughts. 00:38:33
On form a committee like this. 00:38:36
And we can go on and decide whether we like to. 00:38:38
Formalize that. 00:38:40
So with that, I'd like to, yeah, open it up. 00:38:42
Yeah. Thank you. 00:38:44
So do you envision that, that? 00:38:45
Neighborhoods with HOA's would use the HOA as a representation, so. 00:38:48
I think. How do you think that? 00:38:52
The problem? 00:38:54
I see if that is sometimes. 00:38:56
I want both. 00:38:59
If you're on HOA and also if your neighborhood. 00:39:00
I don't think we should have. 00:39:04
Necessarily a person be like underrepresented of this neighborhood. 00:39:06
As of right now, I think that if we just have people who. 00:39:10
Care about? 00:39:12
They just show up. 00:39:13
So on that monthly meeting would you have? 00:39:15
Would you have they divide up and have just? 00:39:17
Certain neighborhoods come, or would you have come? 00:39:19
Anyone come OK? 00:39:22
Thank you. 00:39:26
I love it. 00:39:28
I don't live in le cheminant, but I believe le cheminant should make a decision for LE chemin. 00:39:29
Holdaway Rd. should make a decision. 00:39:34
I actually would like it a little bit more formal. 00:39:36
Because I I mean not, I don't doesn't have to be extremely formal. 00:39:39
You know most neighborhoods. 00:39:43
Love each other and I'm sure they all organize this neighborhood organized and was like we're all going to show up and that 00:39:45
happens a lot. 00:39:48
So I think it would be. 00:39:53
For the neighborhood person, I mean, obviously we all know that. 00:39:56
Over occupancy we all ran on. 00:40:00
Like code enforcement. 00:40:03
Code enforcement like. 00:40:05
So we all know that's broken. 00:40:07
But. 00:40:09
How that is applied needs to be a neighborhood. 00:40:10
Decision. 00:40:13
And and like. 00:40:15
Same thing with towing. Like how you tow win. 00:40:16
But I think if it could be formalized so that everyone know like. 00:40:19
This captain or this leader is that person, and that's the solution. 00:40:23
And they interact with. 00:40:28
The code enforcement and the sheriff. 00:40:31
Of like this is how it's solved and this is our decision. Yeah, I think that. 00:40:33
Is better. 00:40:37
Like an authoritative thing, because none of us live in some of these neighborhoods. And it's like, why are any of us voting on? 00:40:39
Like it's their decision, you know, it's their neighborhood. So I think that's what Orem has. I think Orem, they have, they signed 00:40:45
2 Pete, they split the neighborhood, the city into districts and I think they like two people per. 00:40:51
Neighborhood district, I don't know, I think it's like 4 year term or something like that, but. 00:40:56
But I just. 00:41:01
I just love it. 00:41:03
I love this idea. I think I'm I'm so supportive of it. 00:41:04
And I think. 00:41:07
We could put some. 00:41:09
Guardrails on it, especially for. 00:41:10
Over occupancy. 00:41:13
And for parking? 00:41:15
In authorizing that person to be the voice of that neighborhood. 00:41:18
And in cases where there needs to be like an ordinance vote change, I love that they would come and submit it and say, hey. 00:41:24
On this particular corner, we need red paint. 00:41:31
Like, we need to extend it 10 feet. And I don't think it has to come up to us like to vote each time. It's like the neighborhood 00:41:34
is voted. This is what they wanted. 00:41:38
And just work quicker and smoother that way if we can write that into the ordinance so. 00:41:43
I like where. 00:41:49
Council Member Holdaway has brought up maybe a little bit more formalization. 00:41:51
I like. 00:41:55
The decentralization aspect of it, I'm a huge proponent of that. 00:41:55
But like you said, guardrails perhaps to prevent. 00:42:00
You know if. 00:42:03
Anyone can come and it's totally a volunteer basis and there's not maybe a little bit of a more formal leadership structure. 00:42:04
What? 00:42:09
May end up happening as you get. 00:42:10
A couple really disgruntled people come up. 00:42:12
And they? 00:42:15
Change or ruin something for the rest of the neighborhood. 00:42:16
So if you have somebody who's maybe a little bit of a more. 00:42:19
Constant presence in the neighborhood who can actually. 00:42:22
Collect the data, the information. 00:42:25
For example, you know previous city code has allowed for 75% of a neighborhood to. 00:42:28
Request. 00:42:34
A change. 00:42:35
Or something that would impact their neighborhood specifically. 00:42:36
So maybe policies and guardrails that kind of support that in line with. 00:42:39
A safeguard and I think you have to have a little bit more formalization, especially when we talk about. 00:42:44
The enforcement mechanism. 00:42:49
Of. 00:42:51
Code enforcement. 00:42:53
That was something that I've. 00:42:55
Talked to Maria about a little bit over the past couple weeks. 00:42:56
And in short. 00:43:01
The city's only enforcement is. 00:43:03
Fines. 00:43:06
And if the fines don't get paid, then what? 00:43:07
So we also maybe need to assess how can we support. 00:43:10
Them at that level and actually give it some. 00:43:14
Legitimacy. 00:43:17
Yeah, one thing that this. 00:43:19
Committee would do is extremely in that process again people in these neighborhoods they know what houses are over occupied. This 00:43:20
will be a way we can. 00:43:24
Get that problem solved. 00:43:29
A lot quicker, so I know. 00:43:30
We need to be using the word eviction like it's to the point where so many people are so angry with the 8 and 10 people. 00:43:33
Like if I bought a home and those were the codes and that's what it was. 00:43:39
Umm, you know, then it needs to get to that point and that process needs, I mean, we all know that process, but if we we 00:43:44
streamline what that process is with the city. 00:43:48
At a city level, they're empowered. 00:43:52
And it's a quick, easy process so they can. 00:43:55
Use that tool when necessary, you know. 00:43:57
Can I ask a question for Holden? 00:44:00
So I understand. 00:44:03
County Eviction. 00:44:05
Process a little bit, but I'm not familiar. Are you able to enforce if there's a city code for eviction? 00:44:07
To my knowledge, most vixens are going to have to go through the same process the county does. 00:44:13
Mostly because the state and our country, obviously. 00:44:17
People's homes or their sanctuaries and trying to renew your evicting somebody so when we go on calls if there's somebody's 00:44:20
claiming. 00:44:23
I want this person gone. There are certain things that we have to look at before we can actually remove a person, so there would 00:44:27
be a process still in place. 00:44:30
I can look at that a little bit more. 00:44:34
I did want to make one comment if you don't mind please, especially since we have a lot of lemonade and Bridgeport people here. 00:44:36
One program that could go possibly hand in hand with this is our Neighborhood watch program. 00:44:43
My neighbor, my community coordinator, Becca Kresser. 00:44:47
I believe March 25th we're planning a. 00:44:50
Get together with le cheminant about about. 00:44:53
Neighborhood Watch. 00:44:56
Is that maybe a good way to, you know, a good way to segue into this and have? 00:44:57
Because part of that is like block captains and things like that that we do. 00:45:01
And it might be good for a little bit of structure. Could you? 00:45:04
Could you take a second kind of walk us through what this neighborhood watch program is? 00:45:07
Absolutely, if you have, if you could. So neighborhood watch is really we can't be everywhere, we can't see every problem, sure, 00:45:11
and we rely on the public to help us solve problems, right I. 00:45:15
I'll give one quick story just to kind of tell you why it's so important when I my first day on the job. 00:45:22
I've worked at South Jordan before. 00:45:26
Very first day, neighbor, I'm not even sworn in yet and neighbor calls in, says somebody just entered my neighbor's garage. 00:45:29
They're out of town. I don't think they should be there. 00:45:33
And so it was. It was an actual burglary in progress. 00:45:37
We go there. 00:45:40
And sure enough, guys are in the garage, they've backed their car into the garage, closed the door and they're stealing everything 00:45:42
in the house. They come driving out as we pull up and you know, we got Tombstone with our guns out walking down the street and 00:45:47
they back up. We chase them down and catch all of them. That happened because a neighbor called. If that if a neighbor hadn't 00:45:52
called, we wouldn't have caught that. Those people would have known about it. So neighborhood watches. 00:45:58
We get have the community get together. It's really community oriented. We're not going to. 00:46:04
Tell you what to do or necessarily lead the groups. It's you guys coming together and we help facilitate, educate, and give you. 00:46:08
Tools and resources to help keep the community safe. 00:46:14
We can talk about code enforcement issues, whatever it might be that you could report and you'd have. 00:46:18
A meeting at least once a year with members of your community Watch group and Block Block Captain. 00:46:23
And if you do that in the past, we'd have to, obviously council have to approve it now. In the past, if you were to do that, then 00:46:29
the city will pay to put up the neighborhood watch signs and things like that in your neighborhood. 00:46:34
And so. 00:46:39
That's really what it is. 00:46:40
Keep going. Yeah, I'm gonna ask about. 00:46:43
Separate from maybe our conversation that we previously have had about. 00:46:47
Parking and parking enforcement things. 00:46:51
With your. 00:46:54
Deputies patrolling. 00:46:55
Do they actively maybe check for safety things as far as like parking too close to a stop sign? Is that something that they can 00:46:56
ticket for? Do they need support from the council for something like that? They can absolutely take it for that. Any any most like 00:47:01
parking too close to stop sign or crosswalk or? 00:47:07
Even red curbs. 00:47:12
Fire hydrants, all those things are in state code. You can't park there and we can issue state site like citations for those 00:47:15
things and I have. 00:47:18
Regularly directed them to go and check neighborhoods and be on the lookout. 00:47:22
The problem comes is when they're responding to other calls and that stuff. Absolutely and all the time thing. I do have some. 00:47:25
Actually was researching today about some possible parking enforcement code enforcement options we could look at and I'm happy to. 00:47:32
Discuss those and ways we could improve that in the city. Sure. And that's just on public streets. Right on as far as those. 00:47:38
Parking for those, yes. The only thing we could cite for on a on a private street is if you're blocking somebody's driveway if 00:47:45
you're in a handicapped stall. 00:47:49
Those fire hydrant probably would be the same but. 00:47:53
Other normal pet. 00:47:57
Things on a private St. We don't have the authority to issue citations. 00:47:58
Can I? Can I? 00:48:02
Ask a question of those from Bridgeport and the cheminot if we're as we're considering this. 00:48:03
You bridge ports and HOH. 00:48:09
So if we were to say, hey, there was a vote, would you have any problems of? 00:48:11
You know you'd have to tell the HOA. 00:48:16
You guys need to vote on selecting somebody to be on this committee that's authorized to. 00:48:18
Help the city put the rule. 00:48:23
Would you feel comfortable with that? And then those from Leshemina where you don't have an HOA? 00:48:25
Obviously, the city would have to help find the leader or facilitate a vote. 00:48:29
Or the neighborhood facilitating a vote to find who that person is. 00:48:33
Are these good ideas I'd like to hear? 00:48:38
Would you come up to the mic? Yeah, come up to the mic. 00:48:40
Sorry, my name is Dana Blake again. 00:48:44
One concern I have with going through the HOA is that as far as I'm aware. 00:48:47
Our HOA covers. 00:48:52
Several neighborhoods, like all of the Water's Edge neighborhoods, are under our. 00:48:54
HOA umbrella, you don't have like a present, OK. 00:49:00
So as far as I know. 00:49:03
There's very little. 00:49:05
That we have been able to do in the past to represent ourselves and. 00:49:08
Comment on what's happening. Correct, it's just part of the water's edge, larger one. 00:49:12
OK, so I'm wondering also that could it be a? 00:49:19
Another solution we might look into is business licensing. 00:49:22
For all rental units. 00:49:25
And that would give us a. 00:49:27
An arm to inspect, to make to make sure that they're living up to the. 00:49:29
Agreement. Uh. 00:49:32
Yes. 00:49:33
Maria, that's what Orem City does. 00:49:34
Maria has been working on that rental. 00:49:36
Program and it. 00:49:38
Orem's rental occupancy I. 00:49:40
Had a 2 hour long. 00:49:43
Overview It's fantastic. 00:49:45
At eviction. At evicting. 00:49:47
And I think that's the problem. Like we got to put those in place so that. 00:49:50
When it is rental. 00:49:54
I mean they. 00:49:56
They know. 00:49:57
Of Uvus problem. 00:49:58
We're building UVU down here now and students are coming down in here and we're learning and I would just. 00:50:00
Adopt their what they've done because it's worked really well. 00:50:06
It's quicker. 00:50:11
But let's hear your guys solutions on. 00:50:12
I just wanted to respond to. 00:50:16
Parker's idea about. 00:50:18
The. 00:50:20
75% vote because. 00:50:21
Back when I was reporting. 00:50:23
These five to six years ago, that's what I was told is that my only shot at. 00:50:25
Trying to get these over occupancy things. 00:50:29
Were actually enforced were to get 75% of the neighborhood to vote on it. 00:50:33
My concern with Bridgeport specifically is that we've already lost. 00:50:37
At least 50% of the neighborhood. 00:50:41
Two homes that are being rented. 00:50:43
And not owner occupied. 00:50:45
So those. 00:50:47
It's not just. 00:50:48
About the number of people that live there, their owners live. 00:50:49
Other places in Utah and I can. 00:50:52
List those houses. I can give you addresses, I know all of them. 00:50:55
So that's my only concern with. 00:50:59
I mean, the neighborhood watch program, it sounds like it would be super beneficial and I can totally see the benefit of it. 00:51:01
But it also does sound like a lot of talking. 00:51:07
In some ways like. 00:51:09
I've just I've been reporting these types of things for so long that. 00:51:10
I like hearing these other solutions of like, how can we actually enforce this? Absolutely. 00:51:14
There was something else I was going to say, now I'm trying to remember. 00:51:20
But yeah, with with it being a neighborhood vote, my concern is that. 00:51:24
So many of the owners are not even living in Bridgeport anymore. 00:51:28
And so sure, I didn't want it to be maybe misunderstood. 00:51:33
I wasn't saying that we need 75% vote right for, but that's what they used to do. 00:51:36
Yeah. 00:51:41
So that's how, that's how over occupancy used to be enforced was that we had to or sorry, parking. 00:51:42
Let me get that right. Overnight parking, we had to have 75% of the neighborhood. 00:51:47
Of the owners. 00:51:51
Sign a petition that said we want overnight parking enforced here. 00:51:52
And. 00:51:56
So I considered, you know, doing a petition, but we already had so many rentals within that neighborhood that I didn't think it 00:51:57
was even worth my time. Yeah. And and that's the problem I have with that, is that. 00:52:01
It doesn't stop. 00:52:06
Over I can see just those people. 00:52:07
Park in a neighboring neighborhood. 00:52:10
You solve over occupancy. 00:52:12
By evicting. 00:52:13
Yeah, and. 00:52:14
I think the triggers we have right now. 00:52:16
Like I think. 00:52:18
One way to trigger an inspection and attract the water. 00:52:20
The water is like. 00:52:23
Outrageously high to do inspection. There's lots of things that. 00:52:25
We. 00:52:28
I feel like you've been lacking on. 00:52:29
And we've got to change that. 00:52:31
The best way to solve over occupancy is just to enforce the laws on the book. 00:52:33
Can I share a thought and maybe ask? 00:52:36
For Ezra's opinion on this too, and maybe. 00:52:39
Some direction from Zach and and for David and Legal later. 00:52:43
So I had. 00:52:47
Mentioned I talked to Maria about the code enforcement because that's been the continual. 00:52:48
Drum that's been beat as we've talked about parking, as we've talked about the congestion on streets. 00:52:53
And one of the things that she explained, and I'll make sure I share this link in my my council meeting recap, but. 00:53:01
Was that complaints need to be sent through the report a concern portal? 00:53:07
So that's one thing that we need to make sure that people are aware of exists so it can be used. 00:53:12
And then subsequently the only mechanism that the city has. 00:53:17
According to this e-mail that she had sent me. 00:53:21
Was. 00:53:24
Fines, and she could impose a daily fine for a violation. 00:53:25
But unless there's maybe some, and this is where I would say we need to find some legal counsel on this. 00:53:29
Unless there's a way that we could tie it to something for enforcement. 00:53:34
Then it never gets paid and it doesn't matter. 00:53:38
Yeah, and that's what David is talking about. Orem requires that if it's a renter. 00:53:43
For them to have a business license, I think it's $50, it's not a big fee getting that business. Well, they're working on that. 00:53:48
Yeah, we have that program being developed, but by putting that in. 00:53:54
The to get the business license. It then solves the occupancy because it's tied to that and you can evict. 00:53:59
The business. 00:54:05
We have to be careful. We talk about evictions too, because and we. 00:54:07
The people were evicting are not that are not the main perpetrators. They're they're they're victims. The renters, they were, 00:54:10
yeah, they're renting. They're over renting. They rented there in good faith. 00:54:14
Correct and the. 00:54:19
And the owners wanted to. 00:54:20
Didn't do it in good faith. 00:54:22
I'm going to do this. We're getting off into. 00:54:24
Yeah, please go ahead. 00:54:28
So I've talked to Maria multiple times. When this happened back in May, she reached out to me, I gave her addresses and she goes. 00:54:30
Well they say it's not true. I found a post from the man who had said there is 8 rooms in this house, put all of it how it's a 00:54:37
bachelor pad, has a putting green, the whole thing. I said I have a post with his name on it. 00:54:43
With the address sent to her. 00:54:50
Never heard back from her and that's that my friend that was next door to that has moved because of it. This is why she left 00:54:52
Vineyard same story. It's so sad I never want to move but that's what happens but I just I don't even know Maria but dead end dead 00:54:57
end dead end do it through the portal send in all the information say it well have to go off of what they said so I like the water 00:55:02
idea like we. 00:55:07
Somehow we have to hold them accountable because they're gonna lie. And I agree. The people that live in there, I feel bad because 00:55:13
they don't know it's the owner, but somehow we have to. 00:55:17
Get in or they're just going to keep lying. 00:55:22
Don't even live in a stateless lady well, and there and that's and that's the problem. They don't live here locally. We how can we 00:55:26
get let me reach them. 00:55:29
And so it seems to me a business license that we can pull their business license and just shut the place down totally. I'm gonna 00:55:32
I'm gonna remember the conversation if it's the kind we're kind of getting. Can I just say one thing? I'm so sorry a little bit, 00:55:37
But yes, go. I just wanted to address because I really appreciate that you said this is the route right over occupancy. Couldn't 00:55:42
agree more. But we know how government moves. We know how this is gonna go right? This will take. 00:55:47
A very long time to address the over occupancy. We might even need someone that's just. 00:55:53
Specifically assigned. 00:55:57
To deal with. 00:55:58
Yeah, these things, right. 00:55:59
So in the meantime, while the neighborhoods are still unsafe for our children. 00:56:01
I think. 00:56:05
Solution that we can form much quicker without having to pay all of this extra money to hire someone initially. 00:56:06
Is the overnight parking. 00:56:12
Right. So I did want to just bring that up when it comes to this neighborhood issue is like. 00:56:14
At least that disincentivizes. 00:56:17
Eight people from wanting to move into a home because they don't have somewhere to the park, they don't want to get ticketed and 00:56:19
they don't want to have their nine boyfriends and girlfriends staying overnight. So I do think it is worth mentioning like. 00:56:23
Yes, that's the route, but we have branches that can be addressed now. 00:56:28
And so. 00:56:31
Let's keep that in mind. I love it. Thank you for the comment there. I'm going to let some. 00:56:32
Let's circle back to the 4.1, the neighborhood committee idea. If we could, yeah. 00:56:37
Any direction so I think it sounds like we we like the idea the neighborhood committee. Ezra, do you want to say anything about 00:56:44
the neighborhood committee? What? Yeah, no, I I think the neighborhood watch program is a great. 00:56:49
Like. 00:56:55
Kind of catalyst where there's also resources, even federal resources grants people can apply for. So it's not just more talking, 00:56:56
but it is. 00:57:00
We have some resources behind. Hey, we want to solve this problem. We want to take action on this. There's, there's. 00:57:04
Things available. 00:57:09
And so I do love. 00:57:10
Kind of that structure that's already in place and I think we could stand something up a lot faster if we kind of work through 00:57:12
that structure to to get all the neighborhoods involved and at the table and have those. 00:57:17
Be our kind of official representatives. Love it. 00:57:21
Yes, Holden, One last thing on the parking. 00:57:23
So the city did. 00:57:25
Basically create three options. The 75% to say no overnight parking period, 75% to say overnight with. 00:57:27
With parking permits. 00:57:34
Or the city does have the prerogative if the council wanted to implement a parking program in any. 00:57:35
On any public streets within the city. So if enough people from Los chamber that you guys as a council felt. 00:57:40
We're going to implement a no overnight parking in the Chaminade unless you have a pass like some of the other neighborhoods have. 00:57:46
You have the the ability to do that. 00:57:52
Awesome. So OK, so putting that out there is good and I like I said I did research some stuff we can. 00:57:55
I really agree with the comment that you said here. There's. 00:58:02
This is a. It almost feels like a systemic problem, right? But we can. 00:58:04
Do some things. 00:58:10
To like. 00:58:11
Not make it get worse or maybe help out a little bit. 00:58:13
In the in the time because I'm thinking about our neighborhood, the sycamores. 00:58:15
You know, we live on the South end of town. We're starting to. 00:58:19
Deal with it, too. I mean, I have. I mean, Rachel, how many gals live next door to us? It's. 00:58:21
9 You know, they're all return missionaries. They're amazing. Great. 00:58:25
Awesome gals. But you know, it's like you said, they have boyfriends and it's like holy cow. So I think that. 00:58:30
We just gotta. We gotta. 00:58:36
Figured this out and you could do it right but. 00:58:37
There are some stuff that we can do. 00:58:39
Kind of to. 00:58:41
Intermittently to. 00:58:41
To help. 00:58:43
And get get some of the pressure off of it so. 00:58:44
Any other any other comments about the neighborhood committee? 00:58:47
Direction we should. 00:58:50
Go there before we jump onto the next item. 00:58:51
Sure, go ahead. 00:58:56
Yeah. 00:58:57
Please. 00:58:58
I'll make this super quick. 00:58:59
How can we get our neighborhoods out from underneath the Master HOA? 00:59:01
I would love an answer on that. Why we're still under. 00:59:05
That HOA. 00:59:08
When we're built out and. 00:59:09
Could you define over occupancy? 00:59:11
More than four unrelated individuals, more than four OK. For a family, you can have as many if they're related, OK. 00:59:14
And then as they were talking. 00:59:20
Because I'm in Providence and we started the parking program. 00:59:23
You could also do 75% of the people who still live there. 00:59:27
Instead of all of the homeowners just. 00:59:31
75%. 00:59:33
People live there. 00:59:34
Thank you. 00:59:35
OK. 00:59:37
Thank you. 00:59:38
Let's do this. Let's. 00:59:40
Umm, let's give some direction to Councilman Holwood if we could. I think that we're aligned with this idea. I like working hand 00:59:41
in hand with Holden. 00:59:45
And, umm. 00:59:49
I think that there's a lot of. 00:59:50
There's good alignment there. 00:59:52
And I think we should get it going because I. 00:59:53
I really agree with the concept. A couple concepts I really like that has been said. 00:59:56
I like decentralization. 01:00:00
And letting neighborhoods make decisions for neighborhoods that just needs to happen. I. 01:00:02
Live in the sycamores. I don't want to make be making decisions for le cheminant. 01:00:06
We'll just get it wrong. 01:00:09
Right. Umm. 01:00:11
But also on the second thing, I do agree, I think that. 01:00:12
With. 01:00:15
Perhaps some neighborhood watch or just some help I want to have? 01:00:16
These neighborhoods feel empowered. 01:00:20
Where they can. 01:00:22
Feel like they can kind of. 01:00:23
When it's appropriate, right control their own destiny and and kind of fix the. 01:00:25
Fix the problem. 01:00:29
And so we just got to balance that and I think that kind of what you're talking about here just started outlet's, let's just get 01:00:31
it going and kind of see where it leads and. 01:00:34
Just move in that direction. 01:00:39
I love the challenge tonight to Jacob Wood to move faster. 01:00:41
I hope you take it personal. 01:00:45
And I think you guys will be shocked how fast Jacob Wood will work on this. Yeah. And I like that you challenged him because, 01:00:47
like. 01:00:50
He. 01:00:53
He's motivated so. 01:00:54
If we can get as fast as. 01:00:56
We can. And then the second thing, I think it's important that the city redefine what? 01:00:58
Kindness is. 01:01:02
You know, because you'd say, oh, you're evicting someone. That's so mean. 01:01:03
No, it's not mean. Kindness is the people that purchase their homes with a dream about being to live there. 01:01:07
And they're following the law and then other people come in and don't break the law and having that law applied equally. 01:01:14
Is not mean. 01:01:21
It's respecting people that live there and that has to be restored. 01:01:22
Or we will lose. 01:01:26
Our community will lose our. 01:01:28
Our neighborhoods and they'll turn over so fast. 01:01:30
And I've seen it in the inner city. So we have to, it's the broken window concept. We have to apply it. 01:01:33
And it's got to be. 01:01:39
We've got to have this in. 01:01:40
30 to 60 days. 01:01:42
Like, let's get it. 01:01:43
Our top priority. 01:01:44
OK, awesome. Sounds good. 01:01:47
OK, let's move on to item 4.2. 01:01:49
Council Member Wood will lead a discussion regarding changes to towing enforcement. 01:01:52
Predatory towing practices and 24 hour. 01:01:57
Notice discussion. 01:02:00
Yeah. So I don't have anything to present right now. I'm still working through the details and what the city attorney and working 01:02:01
on some legalities of it. But for context, this is about predatory towing booting practices that residents have been dealing with 01:02:06
mainly in. 01:02:10
Middle point in the vine. 01:02:14
Including use of spotters. If you guys know spotters are. 01:02:16
And funny enough, actually was talking to Dave Laurie about this yesterday. 01:02:19
After I hung up the phone some guy texted me and I'm not going to read the entire thing but. 01:02:23
Basically you have he. 01:02:27
Parked his car outside of his apartment for like 5 minutes. 01:02:29
Came back and was towed. 01:02:32
He had to pay $400 to get his car back. 01:02:33
So yeah, again I'm looking looking for. 01:02:36
Working through legalities of it, but the concept I'm thinking of. 01:02:39
Is like a 24 hour notice before your car is towed. 01:02:42
Or booted. 01:02:46
I think that can be that can help. 01:02:47
Address the predatory behavior or use of spotters so. 01:02:49
But. 01:02:52
We'll talk about this more next week, Councilman. Any. 01:02:54
Any any discussion on that to give him direction or thoughts on that as or do you have a comment? Yeah, no, I love that. 01:02:57
The recognition of the differences and the challenges that each neighborhood faces with with this where we have. 01:03:04
Some areas in that recognize lakefront. 01:03:09
It made no sense to have people getting towed out of those spaces that were right there. It met the needs for the parking. 01:03:12
But then on the opposite end of town, we're dealing with the exact opposite issue where there's too many rooms if you're renting 01:03:18
those out. 01:03:21
Again, like like we've heard today, it can become a problem very quickly. 01:03:24
And in those areas again. 01:03:29
Even I mean. 01:03:32
If I had a neighbor that had. 01:03:33
Eight or nine people living in there and their problems didn't leave the house. 01:03:35
I personally don't even really care. 01:03:39
It's what is the effect on the rest of the neighborhood and stuff. And so being able to address that symptom. Thank you Holden, 01:03:41
for mentioning that, that this is something we could implement. Bridgeport and Legend, they're both. 01:03:46
Public streets. So even though bridge sports in an HOA. 01:03:52
It's in our purview to set. 01:03:55
Restrictions We could set overnight restrictions at our next meeting if we wanted to. 01:03:57
Based on, you know, direction we received so, so thank you for for acknowledging that and and bringing that up and. 01:04:02
And I also see here on the. 01:04:08
The overnight parking for the Springs, the request to continue that so. 01:04:10
Thank you so much for. 01:04:14
Taking the time to. 01:04:16
To all everyone be here and share those issues and I'm just, I'm glad to. 01:04:18
Glad that we're making this our top priority and going to fix this. This was a huge issue that I dealt with. A huge reason why I 01:04:23
wanted to even be on the council is is to help. 01:04:27
Maintain our neighborhood like we. 01:04:31
We're losing it so quickly and every time. 01:04:33
Wonderful families and friends moved away. 01:04:36
It just hurt me so bad. And so I'm glad to know that, you know, there's something we can do about this and that you guys are 01:04:38
supportive of. One last thing, I think culturally that I'd like Maria or those that are looking into this of like, I love coming 01:04:43
in. 01:04:48
Airing our dirty laundry in a City Council meeting and it's recorded but like. 01:04:53
I I think that if the culture was set. 01:04:56
That like, hey, the temperature is getting turned up. 01:05:00
In this particular issue. 01:05:03
To be able to have that. 01:05:05
The appointed neighborhood person to say look. 01:05:07
We're going to call a meeting. 01:05:09
Most of these places have. 01:05:10
A clubhouse. 01:05:13
Or a centralized look if they can't. 01:05:15
Come here. Great city halls. We're going to bring everybody together. 01:05:17
And. 01:05:20
The. 01:05:21
I think we should appoint somebody on the council to be that. I mean, I think Jacob would kind of has that assignment. 01:05:23
To be the referee with the enforcement person you know and the sheriff. 01:05:29
In identifying like. 01:05:33
What is that culture if there is? Because you get out alignment, right? 01:05:35
And just saying. 01:05:39
Let's get everybody in the room. 01:05:40
Seven days from now we're going to have a meeting where the whole group can come together, talk about it. 01:05:41
Come together with. 01:05:46
What that community decision is? 01:05:46
And solve it so that they don't have to come to a. 01:05:48
Public comment period and be like my neighborhood, my neighborhood, my neighborhood. You know what I mean? It's just not the forum 01:05:51
and we need a better have a. 01:05:54
A vehicle, especially with code enforcement like if it's breaking down. 01:05:57
Code enforcement might be different at different neighborhoods, so that's what I hope to come away from of like empowering that 01:06:02
neighborhood leader. 01:06:06
To listen and hear it and serve and adjust that. 01:06:09
As necessary so. 01:06:14
Can I add something on the towing? 01:06:17
Go right ahead, Sir. Yes, please. 01:06:18
We do have an ordinance, a city ordinance on towing that we implemented. 01:06:21
Several years ago to try to crack down on predatory towing. I mean the process right now of revamping that because of some state 01:06:25
code that came out. So if you cool if we could get together and work on that, I can let you know where the state law was that they 01:06:30
say they can and can't do sure on this immediate issue. 01:06:36
Like if they want to do that, like could we propose? 01:06:41
Seven days from now, it's kind of fast, but. 01:06:46
Could we let them know? For Bridgeport, though, we're considering that. 01:06:48
For a week from now to talk about parking and putting that in. Is that too fast? 01:06:52
Would we need 3 weeks to put that in? 01:06:58
I don't think we would need very much time. I know it doesn't feel like a lot of time to do that. 01:07:03
Could instead of having it come here, could we try this out the first thing and say, hey, we'll sync with Bridgeport, find a 01:07:09
place? 01:07:13
Have a community meeting about it and solve it. Does Bridgeport? I assume you have like a Facebook group or like a ward? 01:07:16
GroupMe OK. 01:07:23
That you could. 01:07:25
OK, OK, mostly everyone does this already, right? So we're like, and you probably already came together about what the solution 01:07:28
is. 01:07:31
Right. Almost every neighbor, almost every neighborhood already has their solution, which is awesome. Yeah. So So for clarity, 01:07:35
now, does Bridgeport have their very own? 01:07:39
Our HOA, they have the HOH support and not part of the overall. 01:07:44
No, it's water. It's just waters edge. Yeah. So maybe that's a place for. 01:07:48
But I wasn't invited to the meeting. 01:07:52
Right. So the city telling him that, Yeah. 01:07:54
And I have come to the microphone. Yeah, yeah. Come on up, Sir. Yeah. Have you stated? 01:07:58
Can you state your name? 01:08:03
Yeah, Marcos Jiroli, OK. 01:08:04
We do have a rental. 01:08:06
We we got to leave while we pull the permits, have the city come out, pay the fees or whatever it was. 01:08:08
The problem is not. 01:08:13
That people are ruining, right? That people are doing illegally. 01:08:14
That on permits. 01:08:17
They don't build a parking spot you're supposed to if you have a rental. 01:08:19
Yeah, those are the people that you have to go after and not the ones that are doing it right. I own a business. I have to park my 01:08:22
truck in front of the house because I don't have. 01:08:26
The house was so. 01:08:31
Put so close together that there is no way for me to make more parking to do that. 01:08:33
So if you guys. 01:08:37
Sorry, kind of annoying, yeah. 01:08:40
If you guys enforce a. 01:08:45
Where do I put my business track? 01:08:48
I can. 01:08:51
Do anymore parking? I don't have that. 01:08:53
Luxury because the hazards are so tied together. 01:08:55
So do I make my front yard? 01:08:58
A whole parking lot. Like how do we address? Let's be logical about this and not just because some people are. 01:09:00
Bought her. 01:09:06
Best change the whole thing. 01:09:09
The city screwed up by making the houses all tied together. 01:09:10
That if you fire, your neighbor hears you. So yeah. 01:09:14
That's one problem, right? 01:09:17
I will propose. 01:09:21
We get rid of the front. 01:09:22
Where the trees are in the little patch of grass and make more parking. 01:09:25
Widen the streets. Something like that. 01:09:28
I know that costs a lot of money. 01:09:30
I don't know. 01:09:33
How do we fix that? 01:09:35
Yeah, that. Let's be logical about this. And that's just not. 01:09:37
If you're going to enforce something. 01:09:40
Because if the city were. 01:09:42
To do that, I had to find it. 01:09:44
There's no way. 01:09:46
I either have to move. 01:09:47
I don't want to move. 01:09:49
Or I had to fight it. 01:09:50
Because I can not park the truck. Yeah. 01:09:52
So let's put more. Let's take more time and think about this. 01:09:57
Before we get to a point where start suing. 01:10:01
Each other. 01:10:03
Right. Like I said, you know the root cause of this is all over occupancy. I really believe the city wasn't foreseen. 01:10:04
The laws on the book has released occupancy. 01:10:11
If the city. 01:10:14
Held developers accountable. 01:10:15
Force them to build enough parking. 01:10:18
I don't think we'll be in a situation so I think it's been. 01:10:20
A top down fire from. 01:10:23
The city and. 01:10:25
We have to address root causes. We can't do Band-Aid approaches anymore. We've got to address root causes going forward. 01:10:26
To address his concerns. 01:10:34
Sorry, the the the root cause of the illegal. 01:10:36
Rentals correct? 01:10:39
But but even then. 01:10:40
When? When? 01:10:42
The over occupancy of the illegal renters and you're getting 6 to 8 go away. 01:10:43
You're going to have, I mean, what's crazy is not only do you have work trucks, but you have. 01:10:48
Somebody got divorced and they need to live in your home for a little while, like. 01:10:52
Because you got rid of so many cars you're gonna have. 01:10:56
By that neighborhood captains like, hey, we're not. 01:10:59
In compliant we have one extra work car here. 01:11:01
But also. 01:11:04
There are certain situations where it's like why do I have a tree and green space here? 01:11:05
We need an extra parking lot and the neighborhood person is saying, look, we want to. 01:11:10
Black cement this over and that's the solution that the neighborhood. 01:11:15
Group has come together and said, hey, that's what we're trying to do in this particular corner to solve your problem. That's what 01:11:20
I wanted to do. But then the. 01:11:23
I said no, you have to have green. 01:11:27
Right. And that's and these are these kind of creative solutions is what we're trying to. 01:11:28
Inspire with the neighborhood of like. 01:11:33
Great. It was built and that's where it was, and that was the plot. But would we be able to, Yeah, solve that? Yeah, you can do 01:11:36
that then. 01:11:39
On an individual basis and they were not on the street, right, But then? 01:11:43
Choice, but even if you get rid of it. 01:11:47
The patch of grass and trees and make parallel parking you will fix a lot of the issue. Make the correct. 01:11:50
And that's what we're hoping that like these meetings at the neighborhood level. 01:11:57
Like the back and forth is coming together and going, hey, we feel like there's consensus here, but then them coming to the city 01:12:02
and asking for that flexibility to go. 01:12:06
Hey, on this specific section, we're going to get rid of the trees because of this. 01:12:11
Because of this particular issue, yeah. 01:12:15
That way we know it's the voice of the whole, because I could see the other part. 01:12:17
The community comes back and says. 01:12:21
We love the trees and they're going to destroy it. It's like. 01:12:22
OK, there isn't a consent, but what we understand is that there needs to be a consensus and and tonight is about. 01:12:25
We want that conversation to be at the neighborhood level and there needs to be a framework to solve this. And that framework 01:12:31
doesn't exist and it's broken and we and so that needs to be set up so. 01:12:36
Yeah, go ahead. 01:12:41
Please. 01:12:42
OK, I was just going to say this is something I failed to mention before. 01:12:45
I think there's a lot of hot button where it's being thrown around like eviction and towing. 01:12:49
I think it's no question that Marcos is renting appropriately. 01:12:54
And that's obviously not the problem. 01:12:57
Had been thrown around that I know has been done in previous. 01:13:00
Rental or sorry previous neighborhoods is like a certain number of permitted overnight parking passes per household. So you 01:13:02
provide proof of residency. 01:13:07
And then your household receives one to two parking passes, depending on what? 01:13:11
The neighborhood or the council? 01:13:16
Deemed appropriate and then Marcos would have no issue parking his work truck. 01:13:17
And we're not talking about four to six cars spilling out onto the road. So I think there is a happy medium there. 01:13:22
I don't want Marcos to feel like we're trying to. 01:13:29
Ban all rentals. 01:13:32
Obviously he's doing it the correct way and its owner occupied. 01:13:34
That's a big difference between his house and the houses that are on my street. 01:13:37
So I just want to throw that out there. I don't think anyone in Bridgeport is proposing. 01:13:42
No overnight parking period. We all have family trying to come visit. We all have different circumstances. 01:13:46
But I think there is a way. 01:13:52
There's there's got to be a middle ground between what's happening right now. 01:13:54
And. 01:13:58
Like towing all overnight cars, that's not what we're looking for. 01:14:00
Yeah, OK. 01:14:03
Thank you. 01:14:05
Any other? 01:14:07
Comments on the this. 01:14:08
Kind of got sidetracked, yeah. 01:14:10
No, it's all right. I really appreciate the discussion. I, you know, we're. 01:14:12
We're talking a lot about. 01:14:15
It's good to get context and kind of weren't nowhere to understand where the neighborhoods are at. 01:14:17
Kind of Councilman Holdaway's point, what he is saying and. 01:14:22
I really agree with it. Like we really want to work with the neighborhoods and get a. 01:14:25
Actionable solution. 01:14:29
With you. 01:14:31
And so I think that we're making some good steps. I love the neighborhood Watch program. I love what? 01:14:33
Councilman Wood Jacob Wood has suggested here getting this. 01:14:38
The HOA Neighborhood Committee up and going. 01:14:43
And but I think that I think that. 01:14:45
What I'm hearing and I know. 01:14:47
It's up in. 01:14:50
The parking problems have been pretty bad up on the Northside of town for a while and there's just a lot of fatigue. 01:14:51
There just is. 01:14:57
And I think the charge that I'm going to give to council is let's try to move this along as fast as we can. 01:14:58
With the understanding that. 01:15:04
We may not get it perfect. 01:15:06
And we let's, but let's just keep chipping away at it. Let's just. 01:15:08
Overtime we'll get. 01:15:11
Actionable, workable solution for everybody where we can, you know Marco, so you can feel comfortable and everybody else because I 01:15:13
do think that it's. 01:15:17
The problem is pretty nuanced and it's a whole boondoggle of how we got here. 01:15:21
And but I think if we just. 01:15:26
The commitment be to work together. 01:15:27
And yeah. 01:15:29
Adjust as we go along. I think that will just really help set a framework to how we can get this to a better state than what it is 01:15:30
today. So my only call to action would be for the communications department. 01:15:36
To start. 01:15:42
Talking about this thought process so that neighborhoods, not just the religious groups or the Facebook groups or. 01:15:43
That umm uh. 01:15:50
They say start thinking about leadership. How your what is the solution for your neighborhood? What does that leadership look 01:15:51
like? Consider serving in that leadership. 01:15:55
So when Jacob does. 01:15:59
When we do vote to get this together, we can have good. 01:16:01
Representation and and. 01:16:05
How that leader is? 01:16:06
Picked in each neighborhood might be different and if that neighborhood can come together with a solution of like. 01:16:07
This is how we're going to pick the person and this is how we feel. 01:16:13
I think that's good. 01:16:16
Like I think that's their solution, right? 01:16:17
So I think there's some. 01:16:19
I can work with social media. 01:16:21
I think it would be good to have a. 01:16:22
Like a. 01:16:25
Process outlines kind of some instructions, some basic instructions for neighborhood to follow. 01:16:26
Yeah, umm. 01:16:32
So it can be handled very quickly. 01:16:33
OK. 01:16:35
Now we need to vote to do this in a. 01:16:38
In a in a meeting right to like form, this is just a working session. 01:16:40
So we can bring that back. 01:16:44
Towards the vote of with those guidelines to help organize it and then we'll. 01:16:46
Probably want to. 01:16:51
Take a map and dry out. 01:16:52
What those neighborhoods are and. 01:16:54
Yeah, Ezra, do we need to? 01:16:56
Do we need a vote on anything regarding? I mean, we'd have to vote on the ordinance changes, all that stuff. 01:16:58
Do we need a vote on anything in your point of view to oh, no, we don't. He can commit. He can submit any committees. You have the 01:17:03
authority. 01:17:06
Yeah, I'm mistake, yeah. 01:17:09
So we can get this committee going, but yeah, like neighborhood watches already, it's underway, for example. So if we want. So the 01:17:11
question is staff. So we're good to go on that. We can just action it. 01:17:16
And we can get, I can get a commitment. 01:17:21
But again, if we want to. 01:17:23
Hey, change up an ordinance or code or. 01:17:24
Get rid of treat, whatever that. 01:17:27
Probably would have to come back for. 01:17:28
For both so. 01:17:30
OK. And then I know community developments not here, but. 01:17:32
My idea as far as getting something for Bridgeport Le Cheminot kicked off the ground. 01:17:37
Quickly, uh. 01:17:41
Is to offer one pass to every. 01:17:42
Household like automatically. 01:17:45
And then a second pass could be applied for. 01:17:47
Through the city that way. 01:17:50
We know that. 01:17:51
The over occupied rentals aren't just coming in and. 01:17:52
And getting that second pass automatically, we can collect some information about the rental and. 01:17:55
I think that could people can stand that up really quickly and that could go through our current parking. 01:17:59
Program that we have right and that's. 01:18:05
One of the concerns I heard from. 01:18:08
You, Jacob, was that people were. 01:18:10
They were like making copies of parking passes and. 01:18:12
Like, holy smokes. But they're all digital, correct? Is that? 01:18:15
It depends on the enforcement mechanism we want to use for the parking. So that would be one thing on the time frame and for sure 01:18:18
out. 01:18:21
How we want to enforce this, whether we want to let the tow trucks do it, whether we're doing it, whether we want to. 01:18:25
Hire somebody that you know, code enforcement that's doing parking for us. There's some options there we can discuss. 01:18:29
Yeah, OK. 01:18:34
Awesome. 01:18:36
OK. Well, I think that we've made some. 01:18:37
Covered a lot of ground in this and I think we got good. 01:18:40
Line of sight on. 01:18:43
Maybe making the? 01:18:45
I'm a little bit better. 01:18:46
And that's intent. 01:18:47
With. 01:18:49
With the commitment that we're going to stick at it. 01:18:50
Until we feel comfortable with it. So awesome. 01:18:53
Anything else before we move off this HOA? 01:18:57
Neighbor committee predatory. 01:19:00
Telling we good to go, Parker. 01:19:02
Anything you want to add there? You good brother. OK. 01:19:04
All right, awesome. 01:19:07
Thank you, love the discussion. 01:19:09
OK, so we're going to jump into 4.3 now. Go over the budget process discussion. Councilmember Mccumber. 01:19:11
Will lead us out on that. Go ahead, Parker. 01:19:16
Thanks, I've got David bringing up. 01:19:19
Some copies of the budget process right now. This should have been well, I know it was emailed to all of you because I was seated 01:19:22
on the e-mail. 01:19:25
There we go, and then I'm passing down a copy of an e-mail that I sent. 01:19:29
To Zach Adams, he's our city treasurer. 01:19:33
And I asked him for his feedback. 01:19:36
On. 01:19:39
Kind of some of these proposals and ideas that we're about to discuss. 01:19:40
Largely what this is. 01:19:43
Is that as I went through the? 01:19:45
Budget process. 01:19:48
As it was previously done. 01:19:49
I was concerned at the lack of council participation and City Council oversight. 01:19:51
And I reached out. 01:19:57
To staff members and I said hey look, it seems like we really only have. 01:19:59
As a council, one or two touch points. 01:20:03
On the city budget and how it's formed. 01:20:06
And. 01:20:09
I said, look, we all ran on transparency. 01:20:10
So or sorry, we ran on transparency and accountability. 01:20:13
And oversight for the budget and I would like us to have some more involvement in that so that it's not only staff owned. 01:20:17
Until it's published. 01:20:23
So on the. 01:20:25
Budget process that David just handed you. 01:20:27
The second page has the calendar of events. 01:20:30
I've kind of proposed. 01:20:33
Just tying some. 01:20:35
Actual do outs. 01:20:37
Some tangible products. 01:20:38
To those as a best practice. 01:20:41
And I'd love to get everybody's feedback on this. 01:20:43
These are just. 01:20:46
Type things that I've used running businesses in the past. 01:20:48
So on. 01:20:52
February 25th. 01:20:53
4th That is our. 01:20:54
Off site budget. 01:20:57
Retreat. 01:20:58
What the? 01:21:00
Previous budget calendar has. 01:21:03
Said that is is it's essentially us getting together and sharing the vision of the council. 01:21:05
With the. 01:21:09
City staff. 01:21:10
And that that influences their planning of the budget. 01:21:11
I'd like to propose that we. 01:21:14
Essentially tie. 01:21:17
A due out to that that we're going to formulate. 01:21:19
What we would actually like to. 01:21:22
See, with the budget clearly designating. 01:21:25
What must be funded? 01:21:27
What would be nice to fund? 01:21:29
Justification thresholds for new programs. 01:21:31
Or any? 01:21:34
Excessive new spending. 01:21:36
And report those deliverables. 01:21:38
Back to. 01:21:42
A City Council meeting or to the the taxpayers. 01:21:43
And feel free to just chime in if you have a question or a concern as we go down the checklist here. 01:21:47
Sure. 01:21:52
March 11th, that would be Gate 2, so just following our March 9th revenue projections. 01:21:55
That. 01:22:01
We essentially approved the budget rules. 01:22:04
Things like. 01:22:07
What? 01:22:08
Line items have clear purpose. 01:22:09
Who's the owner of those line items? 01:22:11
And what the defined performance metric is going to be. 01:22:14
To demonstrate the need for that budget. 01:22:18
Ideally. 01:22:23
There would be no new recurring spend without identifying A funding source. 01:22:25
And we would do that by this gate. 01:22:30
Then gate 3. 01:22:33
Would be in March, March 16th through March 31st. 01:22:35
That would go in line with the department meetings where the department heads are. 01:22:39
Doing their their part of the budget process. 01:22:43
Before they take anything to finance. 01:22:46
I would recommend that the departments submit. 01:22:49
Their basic budget to the City Council. 01:22:52
With their desired add-ons, So what they absolutely have to have. 01:22:55
For their operations. 01:23:00
As well as what they would like to add. 01:23:02
In the fiscal year. 01:23:04
And that again should be tied to specific outputs. 01:23:06
It should also include. 01:23:09
Any of the reductions of the cuts that they're making. 01:23:11
And. 01:23:14
Having these tradeoffs provided to the City Council gives us an actual opportunity to have. 01:23:15
Oversight on what their operation is. 01:23:19
What they're adding, what they're subtracting, how they're growing or changing to serve the community at large. 01:23:22
April 6. 01:23:28
Gate 4. 01:23:29
Would be that the finance department compiles a red line version of the budget. 01:23:31
And provides it. 01:23:35
To the City Council. 01:23:36
Then April 29th we receive. 01:23:39
A proposed. 01:23:42
This is something that I was actually a little bit concerned about. 01:23:44
In the cities. 01:23:47
Budget calendar for April 29th. It says that the City Council will receive a tentative budget. 01:23:49
That is confidential. 01:23:54
I am a little bit frustrated. 01:23:57
That it's listed as confidential, I don't see why. 01:23:59
A city budget is being. 01:24:02
Hidden from. 01:24:04
Taxpayers. 01:24:05
So my. 01:24:07
Thought would be. 01:24:08
That this probably stems from. 01:24:10
Finance not wanting to. 01:24:12
Alarm. 01:24:14
Or frustrate people with something that's not real yet and that it's just a draft. 01:24:15
But I think is a best practice. 01:24:19
Ideally, the City Council would receive that draft budget. 01:24:22
We would have a couple days, maybe a week to go through. 01:24:25
Mark it up, have our concerns. 01:24:28
Bring it back to the city staff, have those conversations, and then actually publish the. 01:24:30
The draft budget. 01:24:34
Maybe in a City Council meeting so that we can get feedback from the residents on the budget and the initiatives associated with 01:24:36
it. 01:24:39
OK. And then the last gate? 01:24:47
May 13th through May 27th. This would be the last meeting prior to. 01:24:49
Our vote to approve a budget. 01:24:54
With what I just mentioned about us seeking feedback. 01:24:59
From the staff. 01:25:03
And then publishing that draft to collect feedback from the residents. 01:25:05
We should be able to submit questions to the. 01:25:09
Staff about anything that is concerning or that the residents have brought up as a concern in the budget. 01:25:12
And then that gives staff time to go through. 01:25:18
A couple weeks. 01:25:21
Answer those questions, bring back the data or the issues to us so that we can have. 01:25:22
Some actual informed decision making throughout this process. 01:25:27
Questions. Comments. Concerns. 01:25:30
You mentioned a retreat. 01:25:34
On the first one, it was February 24th. 01:25:36
Correct on the calendars that scheduled. 01:25:40
I believe it's on the calendar. 01:25:43
Tony, you can you say that I have one listed on the calendar, but I was going to double check and confirm if it was still going to 01:25:45
be an off site budget retreat Tuesday, February 24th. 01:25:49
Yeah, There's a standard, standard City Council meeting. Is that when is that when you meant? 01:25:55
No. So the previous. 01:26:00
Budget process included a off site. 01:26:02
At the end of February. 01:26:06
The previous city staff. 01:26:08
Had scheduled. 01:26:09
And they emailed this out to all of us after we were elected. 01:26:11
That the annual budget retreat. 01:26:15
Was February 24th of this year. 01:26:18
So that is a separate from a council meeting. 01:26:22
To answer your question, OK. 01:26:25
Could it be possible to have? 01:26:27
A meeting notice so we can all you know and outlooks real. It's on our calendars. 01:26:29
Can you and I'm I'm to. 01:26:34
I don't think it has to be an off site retreat or anything like that. I'm perfectly happy to come and sit and do it and just do 01:26:37
the council chamber. Yeah, yeah. 01:26:40
I'd strongly recommend to do it here in the council chambers. I know many citizens like to attend that. 01:26:44
Well, and anything we do, this is a personal note. I would like it to be publicly noticed and let anyone come that wants to come. 01:26:50
It has to be. Yeah, it has to be. 01:26:54
I think are we going to have a finance? Oh, sorry. 01:27:01
The other thing too is I think that. 01:27:04
If we get. 01:27:06
I'd like to have it here closer. I think last year it was up but. 01:27:07
Mill Creek. Mill Creek, Yeah. So it wasn't able to turn a couple things I would just like to point. 01:27:11
We have our new finance director will be starting. 01:27:16
When is is that? 01:27:19
Next week. 01:27:22
So. 01:27:23
The interim. 01:27:24
Yeah, interim. Yeah, sorry. The interim Finance Director will be starting next week. 01:27:25
Getting his feet wet, I think that. 01:27:30
I think that this is. 01:27:34
If we have good participation from council and just with recognizing that we're going to have to. 01:27:37
Dig in. I think that this is. 01:27:44
Doable. I think this. 01:27:48
I really love, I personally really like all the steps here, Parker. 01:27:50
I just, I think it's great. 01:27:54
So anybody else? 01:27:57
For those watching at home. 01:28:00
There are some big changes to this and it's incredibly important. 01:28:02
You're talking about being transparent with the budget instead of having it confidential. 01:28:07
You're talking about us leading and knowing about it instead of staff directed. 01:28:12
Like this is a complete cultural change. 01:28:16
And within a month. 01:28:19
Before the budget is actually voted on to give time to constituencies. 01:28:20
An entire month to review and look at everything detailed. 01:28:25
I I think that the only thing that the auditor. 01:28:29
With the many, many calls that they had. 01:28:32
To being able to see like. 01:28:35
Really high level. 01:28:40
$75,000 Travel 50,000 Miscellaneous. 01:28:43
It was just put into. 01:28:48
What level should we directive should we give to staff on specificity because you don't want to micromanage. I mean, I know you 01:28:49
have to say gas and you got to say. 01:28:54
You know. 01:28:59
Not travel, but. 01:29:00
Conference and conference name. 01:29:01
Is there a? 01:29:03
Dollar amount that we give staff to be like. 01:29:04
We need to be. 01:29:07
Pretty specific and and name what? 01:29:08
What it is? 01:29:11
Like on the I think we get into that as we kind of go along. I think that was part of the first meeting that you were going to 01:29:12
that we talked about there and just say, hey, this is kind of. 01:29:17
Set those. I mean ideally to me everything. 01:29:22
Has a line item. 01:29:26
Right, everything has an owner. 01:29:28
Everything has a justification. 01:29:30
OK. And I think as long as it's the end gate of Gate 6. 01:29:31
Of we're going to be dialed in at the end so that. 01:29:36
By May you have an entire month. 01:29:41
So the. 01:29:43
The city. We're publishing that a month early. 01:29:45
We got it. 01:29:47
The an hour before we got a 24 hour notice and then I got it an hour before the meeting to vote on it. 01:29:48
You know, so I think that's a. 01:29:56
Just cultural change for sure. So these are very lofty goals and and that's the goal here. I don't. 01:29:59
I mean if you look at the. 01:30:05
Staff proposed budget calendar versus the dates that I've. 01:30:07
I've proposed. 01:30:10
With the do outs associated with them. 01:30:11
There isn't anything. 01:30:14
Massive. 01:30:16
No, it's, I mean it's just progressively building on itself, right, right. And the transparency is tied in at each step along the 01:30:17
way, correct, that we didn't have. 01:30:21
Yeah, OK. 01:30:26
Over on this level, I'd love to hear your guys thoughts down over on this side of the. 01:30:28
Over here. 01:30:33
Yeah, I just. 01:30:34
The new the interim finance director is he? 01:30:36
Or whoever it is. 01:30:39
Are they familiar with? 01:30:42
With these dates and. 01:30:43
Have they kind of confirmed the timeline you mentioned? Kind of. 01:30:45
Them getting their feet wet and. 01:30:48
Yeah, this, I mean this is the first time I think any absorb seen this right here, so. 01:30:50
I've not. This has not been presented to him, no. 01:30:56
So should we just confirm? Because I'd hate. 01:31:00
I mean, the finance person, all these are finance department, yeah, a lot of them are the finance department function. They're 01:31:03
gonna run the projections for us and all those things. So we need to just make sure that. 01:31:07
They're aware of for sure the timeline and when they provide that to us. When did you say that the interim? 01:31:12
Directors starting next. 01:31:18
Well, Monday is a holiday, right? 01:31:21
Tuesday, yeah, Tuesday. So he'll have a little over a week and 1/2. 01:31:23
Yeah, I think so. At least collect some of this data. 01:31:28
Yeah, for sure. And and he has the staff still with him. 01:31:32
So I don't think it's impossible. Yeah. And we, we do have as I kind of cracked open and I've started looking at the budget 01:31:35
process, we do have a pretty good. 01:31:39
Start on it, jump on it. Just. 01:31:44
From what they've done in years past. 01:31:46
So it's not going to be like. 01:31:48
We're not recreating this from. 01:31:50
Nothing, right? It's gonna be tweaking and adding and. 01:31:52
As we go along, so which will be helpful. 01:31:55
I don't know if you guys want to say anything on the record about. 01:31:58
Goals. Desires. 01:32:01
To cut the budget or overall? 01:32:03
How much, how little? But I think. 01:32:06
Citizens can expect that, do we? 01:32:08
Did you guys have anything you wanted to? 01:32:10
Chat about about this right here. 01:32:13
Look good. 01:32:15
OK, what time are we planning on the retreat? 01:32:16
Well, I think that. 01:32:19
So this was the 24th. The day of the 24th is when they were doing Wednesday night meetings. So it might that. 01:32:21
The 24th might we want to move it? 01:32:27
To maybe the 26 or. 01:32:29
Sometimes that works for everybody. 01:32:31
The 24th. 01:32:34
Is a Tuesday? Yeah. Just you know. 01:32:35
I'm traveling back. 01:32:38
From DC that day. 01:32:40
On the 24th, so if we could. 01:32:41
And I would love to make it. 01:32:43
Available when citizens. 01:32:45
Could attend like yeah. 01:32:46
You know, because it is a like if we started at like 3:00 in the afternoon. 01:32:48
Like so they could. 01:32:52
Do you? Yeah. How long that first first meeting, Parker, what do you envision that being? Is that like a? 01:32:54
Well, what was 2 hour deal? 01:32:59
The reality, maybe. 01:33:01
Council member Holdaway, you were here. 01:33:03
There was a lot of fluff last year. I mean, I don't think we're going to do a lot of fluff. No, I don't think a lot of great with 01:33:05
you and leading it, no way. 01:33:09
I would strive to keep it under. 01:33:14
Three hours, I guarantee it wouldn't go longer than that. I mean, I think we did. 01:33:17
4 1/2. 01:33:21
But there was no dollars. 01:33:22
There was no budget. 01:33:24
There was no. 01:33:25
Money. Mm-hmm. 01:33:26
So I think, I think if we go with the directive. 01:33:28
Of showing money and talking finance and having department heads. 01:33:31
You know, ready. 01:33:36
I think. 01:33:38
It will be much shorter and to my. 01:33:39
I guess. 01:33:42
Understanding of the best practice here the real goal of the. 01:33:43
This end of February meeting that starts the budget process. 01:33:46
It's to hear from. 01:33:49
The department heads. 01:33:50
And for them to hear from the council and get alignment on how we're going to proceed forward. 01:33:52
Right, so it doesn't have to be. 01:33:56
Crazy in depth about, hey, we have $30 million and this is how we're breaking it all down. Yeah. 01:33:58
It's just it's more just getting alignment. 01:34:04
So I think that work session was kind of a good. 01:34:07
The one we had on Thursday. 01:34:10
A good example of like. 01:34:11
Here's what we want you to focus on and that allows departments to say, OK, if you want me to accomplish these. 01:34:13
These are the resources I'm going to need and then they can come back to us later. 01:34:19
And you know, the next month or whatever, so that. 01:34:22
That's great. 01:34:25
Sounds good. 01:34:26
Do you want to say Thursday the 26th? Then is that what you want to say? Wednesday. What does that look on? Look at your calendar 01:34:27
real quick. Is that Thursday 20/6, 3:00? 01:34:31
Thursday the 26th, 3:00 to 7:00, if you run late, you run into the UVU basketball game. I can't do that. So we got a hard stop 01:34:37
then. So you want to do Wednesday the 25th? Let's do it. No, I think Thursday works great. 01:34:43
Is that our chief? Our chief won't be here on that. 01:34:52
Thursday just F2. 01:34:54
I'll be in Florida. 01:34:58
You will be, just tell him what his budget is. Excuse. As long as you bring a good souvenirs man, we're totally fine. 01:35:02
OK, so we'll pencil that in. 01:35:10
So you said Thursday 3. Let's just do this. Parker, do you want to sign? 01:35:12
Yeah. And we just do it here at the just do it here. 01:35:17
That's fine with me. OK, Yeah. Could you send out a? 01:35:20
Yeah, 2:00 PM Sounds great. 01:35:23
2:00 PM. OK. 01:35:24
Sounds great. 01:35:25
All right. 01:35:28
Yes, David. 01:35:29
Well, when will that document or the schedule be published? 01:35:31
I'm perfectly content sharing this now. 01:35:36
Is there any reason not to? It was. 01:35:39
The city staff is the one that emailed it to me. 01:35:41
That's up to you. 01:35:44
Yeah, you can have my copy. 01:35:45
Cross out the. 01:35:48
I already got it. 01:35:49
We can put it on social media with a just a advisement. Would you, would you post that? 01:35:51
Yes, OK, Now see if you wanted to forward it to me too, I can. 01:35:57
Can do that. Get it out to a PDF and attach to the minute. 01:36:01
Attach it to the packet after the fact. Sounds good. 01:36:04
So tentatively, while we're shooting for the first one. 01:36:07
February 26th, 2:00 PM. 01:36:10
We just need to be some of the date corrections as we go, yeah. 01:36:13
Yeah, I think that's the only thing with the changes like specific dates and when deliverables are due. 01:36:17
So and again most of these deliverables like you would have the meeting. 01:36:22
You have a meeting. 01:36:30
In April and then you have a deliverable a couple days later. 01:36:31
Right, so they. 01:36:35
They support each other. 01:36:37
The meeting should enable the deliverable. 01:36:38
OK, awesome. 01:36:40
OK, sounds good. 01:36:43
Well, let's move in that direction. 01:36:44
And get going on the budget. Thank you so much. 01:36:46
All right. We're going to jump now to let's see, this would be 4.4 RDA reimbursement expense and audit discussion. 01:36:49
I'm going to turn the time over to Councilmember Larae to lead that discussion. 01:36:55
OK, you bet. 01:37:00
So. 01:37:03
One second. 01:37:04
Get it up here. 01:37:06
We want to, first of all, I want to say thanks to Carsten Walker. 01:37:09
For his work with helping us with the. 01:37:13
Getting the RDA organized and so forth. 01:37:15
And and he's a lot of work on the groundwork, this resolution. 01:37:18
But you've all received in your e-mail a resolution. 01:37:22
For the help. 01:37:26
Help with the RDA? 01:37:28
Reorganize the RDA board a little bit and and what the way we do things not not the personnel, but you know the. 01:37:31
Some of the things we're doing and also to put together a. 01:37:36
A chance for the. 01:37:40
To continue the audit that was started earlier on. 01:37:41
So essentially. 01:37:44
I'd like to. 01:37:47
If you have it up or not but. 01:37:48
Got some of the whereas as I'd like to look at. 01:37:51
So the one. 01:37:54
This is just the one that was emailed. Yeah, emailed only it didn't get attached. 01:37:58
OK, sorry. 01:38:02
Yeah. 01:38:04
It's a resolution of the City Council. 01:38:06
Acting as the governing board, the. 01:38:08
Authorizing the mayor to sign an interlocal agreement with Chris Harding to conduct a targeted audit review. 01:38:11
Of the Vineyard Development Redevelopment Agency. 01:38:17
So it's all. 01:38:20
Anyway, we go through several things. I want to make one change to it. 01:38:21
There's the last whereas on the first page, whereas Chris Harding possesses professional credentials. 01:38:25
And experience in municipal finance. 01:38:31
Internal controls. 01:38:33
Fraud examination and public accountability is sufficient in that such interview. 01:38:35
Review. It's just true. 01:38:39
I want to eliminate the the word fraud examination. I don't expect we're going to find fraud. 01:38:41
Per se. And I don't want to set that expectation necessarily. I don't want to scare off anybody. 01:38:45
Because you know. 01:38:51
Were anyone involved with? 01:38:52
With the RDA, we want them to know that we're just trying to get a handle on the finances and how they're being spent and so 01:38:55
forth. 01:38:58
We may find something like some overspent. 01:39:02
We're spending somewhere we may find some. 01:39:04
Places we didn't spend enough? I don't know, but we want to find out. 01:39:07
What's going on there? And get controls in place. 01:39:10
So I'd like to eliminate that. 01:39:13
OK. 01:39:15
I also want to. 01:39:17
Point out on the second page the. 01:39:19
Whereas. 01:39:21
Says whereas the council and RDA board find that a temporary pause on RDA reimbursements and payments is necessary. 01:39:22
Until payment policies and procedures are implemented. 01:39:29
Documentation supporting previous payments is provided. 01:39:32
And the audit? 01:39:35
As described in the resolution is completed and presented to the Council and RDA Board. 01:39:36
This pause then is indefinite type of pause. It's anticipated. That wouldn't last more than two or three months, I'd expect. 01:39:41
But I want to get some thoughts on it. What do you guys think about? 01:39:48
About pausing all activity all. 01:39:52
In that way. 01:39:56
Any thoughts? 01:39:58
I would just reference our contextual obvious. 01:40:00
Contractual obligations. 01:40:02
That could be incredibly problematic if we. 01:40:05
Have a statutory obligation. 01:40:08
Not a statutory obligation, you might have some of those, but if we have contractual obligations to make payments. 01:40:10
And we just pause it via resolution that. 01:40:16
Could be very problematic, yeah. 01:40:19
OK, so we want to. 01:40:21
Want to keep in? 01:40:22
I think I think the purpose of this is that there. 01:40:25
Contracts. 01:40:28
And the guidelines of how to pay are not there. 01:40:28
The procedures are not put in place as what the audit found. 01:40:32
And that until procedures. 01:40:36
And processes are in place. 01:40:38
To show that that no payment should be going out until that is established so if they could. 01:40:40
Forthcoming. 01:40:46
Show that we. 01:40:47
They have a copy of our policies. 01:40:48
One I think they would have. 01:40:51
Produce those during the initial audit already, but if they. 01:40:53
Come about them, then yeah, then they move forward, but until. 01:40:56
Those policies or procedures are produced. 01:41:00
Writing out checks with. 01:41:03
Emails or. 01:41:05
You know, not sufficient documentation and we don't have. 01:41:07
A contract in place, then yeah, I would pause it, but. 01:41:11
I agree if they have a contract. 01:41:15
But I would I would specify the. 01:41:17
You know those policies and procedures. Just because I have a contract doesn't mean. 01:41:19
The RDA director. 01:41:24
Is going through the right procedures to verify the work has been done and that's what the audit showed. So I think that's what 01:41:26
we're seeing here. 01:41:30
Can I? 01:41:34
Ask maybe a question of Zach. 01:41:35
Yeah. 01:41:37
Council meeting. 01:41:40
We discussed. 01:41:41
A subcommittee I think you appointed. 01:41:43
Council member Holdaway and Larae, Yes. 01:41:47
To review the RDA. 01:41:50
As part of that. 01:41:53
I asked a clarifying question and you said that the. 01:41:54
They would include in this. 01:41:58
Scope of their subcommittee and work. 01:42:00
A review of staffing. 01:42:04
Or personnel to support the RDA. 01:42:06
Do you is there any progress on that? I think a lot of the issue here. 01:42:09
Is that? 01:42:14
So much of the RDA is tied to the city operation, yeah. 01:42:15
And it really needs to be a separate entity and it needs to have its own staff to support it. 01:42:19
I don't think that needs to be huge, and obviously it would still work. 01:42:24
In close conjunction with. 01:42:27
The city. 01:42:29
But uh. 01:42:30
If you have a staff that was completely. 01:42:31
What's the term? 01:42:35
Their purpose was to. 01:42:36
Provide these policies. 01:42:38
Appoint the procedure. 01:42:40
Oversee it. 01:42:42
Underneath the board, I mean. 01:42:44
You make a good point and we want to do that. In fact, one of the things I wanted to get to is, is it? 01:42:46
Right now, the way that the finances are handled. 01:42:51
Is that the city basically keeps 4% of any monies coming in. First of all, the RDA money is coming to the city. 01:42:54
The city then makes them available to the RDA and then. 01:43:01
Already sends bills to the city. The city then. 01:43:04
Pays them. 01:43:07
So they handle the finances for the RDA. 01:43:08
And they just keep 4% of whatever their money comes in. 01:43:10
As an administrative fee. 01:43:13
To cover that. 01:43:15
Other. 01:43:16
Many of the other Rdas around the state. 01:43:17
They charge 6%, but they're also very much smaller. 01:43:20
We have the largest RDA by volume by far. 01:43:23
And so even though it's only 4%, the number of dollars is. 01:43:26
A lot bigger. 01:43:30
So I'm So what? 01:43:31
I would I would want things I want to do is I want to ask if we could have. 01:43:32
Councilman Nair help us with this to actually find out exactly what it is. 01:43:38
What work we're doing for the RDA is, well, the next maybe. 01:43:43
Quarter or so? 01:43:46
Find a way to. 01:43:47
Figure out exactly who's doing work with the RDA and how much time they're spending and so forth so we can evaluate. 01:43:48
Whether that 4% is appropriate or not. 01:43:54
I mean, it may be exactly appropriate. 01:43:56
And as part of that, we could also see if indeed full time staff would actually would actually be full time work there for staff 01:43:57
at the RDA. 01:44:01
I mean, is there indeed? 01:44:05
You know what is the workload there? 01:44:07
And so we can better evaluate that with some more data. 01:44:09
And so I'd like to propose that as well. I was going to get that a little later, but. 01:44:12
Now is a good time. 01:44:15
With the concern that Council Member Nair brought up. 01:44:16
I think that if. 01:44:21
You were to just blanket pause. 01:44:22
Reimbursements or payments? 01:44:25
There is probably a high likelihood of litigation against the city, so it would need to be. 01:44:27
A priority, I think. 01:44:34
For us as the RDA board. 01:44:36
To quickly move to adopt policy and procedure and get a support system in place for those. 01:44:38
For prior to acting on this. 01:44:44
OK, I would agree with that. Yeah, but it would, yeah, but at the same rate sending out money with no. 01:44:47
Contractor policy. 01:44:52
Well, we don't send out money without a contract. 01:44:54
All those. 01:44:57
All those monies. 01:44:58
Have to have some sort of. 01:44:59
Correct, but. 01:45:01
Well, I'm not maybe the word contract. 01:45:02
Procedure of. 01:45:04
Following like what percentage increase was not? 01:45:06
Found right. So there. 01:45:09
There wasn't supporting documentation sufficient enough for the audit to say. 01:45:10
Why are you making this payment? And so till that supporting documentation is. 01:45:15
In place. 01:45:20
How are we writing checks? Just sending it out the door, it's like. 01:45:21
That that procedure needs to be. 01:45:25
First, Yeah. 01:45:27
Yeah, Yeah. That's, let me sort of start on that first. I think that's an excellent idea to start on those policies first. 01:45:28
And but once they're in place and I don't think. 01:45:35
You may take us the whole month to get that in place so the water gets all the way down the end of the road. All the 01:45:37
subcontractors know as well. 01:45:41
But that half that, you know, I'm going to make a date certain that after this point we'll do this pause. 01:45:45
I think if needed. 01:45:50
Could be placed in there. Adjust. 01:45:52
Adjusting the language so that. 01:45:55
The tool is at the table. 01:45:57
And based on the recommendation from the auditor of. 01:45:59
That they do have the ability to suspend until that. 01:46:02
Procedure is. 01:46:06
Put in place. 01:46:07
So safeguard. 01:46:08
Make the positive and dependent upon the the auditor. If the auditor finds correct, we're pausing, we should pause, otherwise not, 01:46:09
yeah. 01:46:13
Yeah, that would be much better to. I mean, even even in the audit we had 29% of the invoices tested that. 01:46:17
Said they lacked those. 01:46:24
They use informal summaries rather than supporting, so even we're talking about. 01:46:25
A subset. 01:46:29
Of the ones that were looked at. 01:46:31
Had that issue and so pausing blanket all of them would would not make sense. So I would definitely prefer that. But I did start 01:46:32
answering one question. 01:46:37
And this kind of evolved into a discussion on the whole document. So, so first and foremost, um. 01:46:42
This isn't an interlocal. 01:46:46
Agreement. 01:46:48
Interlocal agreements or with other. 01:46:49
Government agencies and we'd be contracting with. 01:46:50
Or the proposal is to contract with. 01:46:53
Chris Harding is. 01:46:55
An individual, so that needs to change for starters. 01:46:56
Secondly, I understand with Chris Harding's firm you mean is? 01:47:00
Yes. OK, Jason, it's the firm. Yeah, well. 01:47:05
Now so interlocal agreements or specific agreements between 2 government or public agencies so. 01:47:07
We can just say an agreement with. 01:47:13
Chris Harding. 01:47:16
And so those actually. 01:47:20
Just regular agreements wouldn't necessarily need a resolution. We could just. 01:47:21
Have the agreement if we wanted to, yeah. 01:47:25
But then. 01:47:28
When we have this on the agenda, I would love to just see the other. 01:47:31
The the quotes as well this this for our purchasing policy falls into the threshold where we need 3 quotes so. 01:47:34
I think. 01:47:40
You know, based on our experience with Chris, he's got a lot of history, brings a lot of value to the table. 01:47:40
But I do think. 01:47:45
For for this dollar amount we would. 01:47:46
Want to follow our purchasing policy? 01:47:48
Can I ask? I think we already went out to bid for him though. 01:47:50
Can I? Yeah. So that was for that, touched on that at the last council meeting. 01:47:53
Could you share that point again? I think you previously said that that we only received one other bid. 01:47:57
So we so we put out two bids for a specific scope of work and the scope of work was in turn, excuse me, independent audit. 01:48:02
For which we received one bid for. 01:48:11
And we reviewed his. 01:48:14
Bid to ensure it was fair. It was very comparable. 01:48:17
By the day and again I just want to say that the. 01:48:20
What was put out? 01:48:23
Was for a specific scope of work. 01:48:23
You may have to review your policy. 01:48:27
It just seems to me that we lose some of the experience that's already been gained because Chris has already preloaded with the 01:48:30
information here, so it. 01:48:34
Sees me. He could do it with. 01:48:38
Fewer hours. 01:48:39
For sure. Yeah. And that could weigh in. 01:48:41
When we submit the quote if he's like I already did some of this work so that's why I'm way cheaper. 01:48:44
Yeah, that's great. But. 01:48:48
Yeah. 01:48:50
It could be like an RFP type situation where we wouldn't even need to go. I mean I think Chris was proposing 40,000. So if. 01:48:52
It's 50,000. Is that RFP threshold so that we just want to get those three quotes. So this doesn't have to be an extensive 01:48:58
process. We could have this on. 01:49:02
By the time we have the contract, I just want to make sure we OK sounds follow. That's good catch. Appreciate that. 01:49:06
We will work on that. 01:49:12
The other. 01:49:16
The other thing that I see is. 01:49:17
I love that we're going and gathering this information, but. 01:49:20
Krista's not going to be an employee. 01:49:23
Of the RDA. 01:49:27
And. 01:49:28
You know, three to six months, once he finishes this, he's gone. 01:49:29
And we're paying to do that. 01:49:33
I believe that. 01:49:35
It's best that the director not be involved because it is independent and you're going through and. 01:49:36
Doing this, but I do think that it is important. 01:49:43
That we gain institutional knowledge. 01:49:46
Through this. 01:49:49
Because. 01:49:50
You know they're going to be going in, interviewing and getting to know. 01:49:51
All of the different contractor, all of the different players. 01:49:55
And there's such an opportunity. 01:49:58
To have. 01:50:01
Different RDA staff. 01:50:03
Involved in this effort so. 01:50:05
I would love the resolution to state. 01:50:07
We have two people that are helping on the. 01:50:10
Committee of this we've got. 01:50:13
Kim Cornelius and Carson Walker so. 01:50:17
I know they've put in many hours. 01:50:21
I don't know if it's right. 01:50:23
You know, to compensate them or continue to go on that, but. 01:50:24
I would definitely want. I don't want. 01:50:28
Him to spend what was it, 400 hours? 01:50:30
And not have somebody there it within our institution learning through that whole process, yeah. 01:50:33
330 hours. Is his bid OK? 330 hours. 01:50:39
I you know, we want someone within our institution learning about all those 300 so that it is maintaining in our institution not. 01:50:42
Not just. 01:50:49
In a book of a report that Chris here's your reports like. 01:50:50
Somebody knows who all these people are and so I think if we could adjust that. 01:50:54
And add in. 01:50:59
Language that. 01:51:00
Not specific people, but. 01:51:02
The resolution states that we will have. 01:51:04
Somebody. 01:51:08
And let's. 01:51:09
Work on this offline between here and next week but. 01:51:10
Putting in some sort of language. 01:51:14
That can effectively include them. 01:51:15
Compensate them, allow them to be a part of it because they're on the committee. 01:51:19
So that. 01:51:23
We're gaining that knowledge. 01:51:25
Yeah, does anyone have any problem with that? 01:51:26
I think that's great. 01:51:29
OK, so kind of. 01:51:31
In summation of this, right here, so we've got David Luray. Have you been taking notes? 01:51:32
Do you have anything other adjustments anyone wants to make to this resolution? I think that interlocal on top is. Let's fix that. 01:51:36
I like the fraud, you know I don't. I like that comment you had there, David. 01:51:43
So kind of work through this. 01:51:48
Three quotes. We can work on getting some other quotes. 01:51:51
To. 01:51:53
To meet that, to meet our purchasing policy, I think that's important. 01:51:56
Parker had a question that he asked me about. 01:52:00
You know, separating out the RDA from the city operations, I think that that. 01:52:03
Kind as we go through the budget, as we look. 01:52:07
In 2026, what fiscal year is going to be? I think that we kind of we just need to. 01:52:12
To do that. 01:52:15
I was not aware that a lot of the Rdas charge 6%. 01:52:17
I've had conversations with the Timpanogos. 01:52:21
School district board they they have an appetite to get this right. 01:52:23
And I, I floated that to him. I said, hey, I don't. 01:52:27
I'm not sure which members of the. 01:52:30
School board I talked to about this, but it was just hey I. 01:52:33
I'm not sure if the 4% is sufficient to do it right. 01:52:36
So we might need to. 01:52:41
Kind of chat with them about that and see how that looks and get some good. 01:52:42
Alignment. 01:52:45
One of the things we do enjoy right now is we have to benefit. By having city staff work with them, we get the benefit of having 01:52:48
a. 01:52:50
A professional A full time professional take on. 01:52:53
Parts of two jobs, yeah, it adds up, right? For sure. So. 01:52:56
And I think our city is getting to the size where there's, you know, we have kind of two different. 01:53:00
We're dealing with an interesting situation with this whole RDA and the build out of everything that's going on. It's we have the 01:53:04
the day-to-day operations. 01:53:07
Like the public works keeping the streets going and we have this whole building of a. 01:53:11
Basically a city that it's just pretty complex, so. 01:53:15
Making sure that we're getting it right. 01:53:19
The last thing I will say. 01:53:21
Just a point of clarification, how the checks are going right now is I'm signing all the checks and I actually have an RDA. 01:53:22
Payment reimbursement. 01:53:30
It was for something. 01:53:32
I'm I will make sure that. 01:53:33
That we have good. 01:53:35
We all feel good about it before anything goes out until we get that step. Does that make sense? Like I'm not gonna I would just 01:53:37
like I stepped in. I'll make sure that we all you know, meeting the contractually make sure we got all the different. 01:53:43
Yeah, received some proof of work done. Yeah, and I'll be honest, it seems been super helpful. 01:53:50
Just getting me all the information on these checks and he's he's. 01:53:55
Doing a really good job and all the other staff have been great too. So just making sure that we're not we're not signing anything 01:53:58
that. 01:54:01
Is we're concerned about all this, That's just the commitment I'll make. 01:54:04
As we kind of work through this process and. 01:54:08
And uh. 01:54:10
Go from there. So any other suggestions for the alterations for this? 01:54:11
Yes, I would like to. 01:54:15
Just have the agreement on the agenda. So I think we could scratch that last. 01:54:18
A paragraph where we just tell Zach to go and negotiate. 01:54:23
I'd rather just for something of this important, for sure, just bring it back here. Yeah. Hey, Mr. Mayor. 01:54:25
Yeah, you have Nate in the back. Would like to. Yeah. Come on up, Nate. Love to hear what you have to say. 01:54:31
I just wanted to say. 01:54:44
Thank you for going through this process. We look forward to. 01:54:46
We know there's been a committee. 01:54:51
That's been kind of created. 01:54:54
I think it's. 01:54:56
We would love to sit down with you both and. 01:55:00
Kind of walking through. 01:55:03
The existing contracts that we have today. 01:55:04
I think they're much. 01:55:07
You know. 01:55:09
The last 15 years, there was lots of different contracts, Yeah, developers over the years, a lot of those have been consolidated. 01:55:10
And so I think they're actually fairly easy and the process is very straightforward in the contracts of. 01:55:16
What the process should be? 01:55:21
And uh. 01:55:23
We would love to sit down with you even in some of the contracts where the process it doesn't require. 01:55:23
Some some of those contracts require more things than the others. 01:55:29
But we would be happy to include more of the process. 01:55:32
We want to go through the same process with you and if there's money going out, we want to make sure it's going for. 01:55:36
Going for projects that are actually being done and being paid for. 01:55:41
You know there's been about $190 million ish to this point. 01:55:45
Put in. 01:55:50
In cleanup and infrastructure. 01:55:51
In private dollars in about $35 million of that has been reimbursed. Ish. 01:55:54
On our side so I just. 01:56:01
You know, there's, there's a big scope here, there's a lot of work left to be done and we really want to work collaboratively with 01:56:03
you all. 01:56:06
And, and make sure that the process is right, the process is clean, the process is transparent. You know, the city went from when 01:56:09
we built our first house here of 100 residents to 25,000 and. 01:56:14
It's we've gone through a bunch of councils, a bunch of mayors, a bunch of RDA directors, some part time, some full time. 01:56:19
Some part-time engineers, some full time engineers now and it's just, I just want you to know. 01:56:25
That we also want this to be transparent and I think. 01:56:30
We can sit down on a lot of these things and. 01:56:33
And and make sure we're all on the same page. That's the first thing. The second thing. 01:56:38
I and and maybe. 01:56:41
Council Member. 01:56:44
Mccumber, I'll connect with you on this. On the budget side, obviously we're talking and you guys want to bring the cost down and 01:56:46
be transparent. Obviously, the other side of this is the revenue side. 01:56:50
Increasing sales tax revenue. We're spending hundreds of millions of dollars in the downtown area right now. 01:56:55
And there's a lot of sales tax leakage. 01:57:00
Of. 01:57:03
Because the city is not working to. 01:57:03
With the suppliers to. 01:57:06
To claim Nexus for a lot of those materials. 01:57:08
That's going to some of these other municipalities that the city actually could get, and I think that's something. 01:57:11
That could. 01:57:15
Potentially generate a lot of sales tax revenue for the city that we ought to we ought to work on, if that's OK with you, Mayor. 01:57:16
And I know we talked about that, but. 01:57:20
You're super busy as well and so I just. 01:57:24
We're here to be collaborative in all this process. If there's anything we can be helpful with, let us know. We're here to help. 01:57:26
Sorry to take that. Thank you. We welcome that. 01:57:30
Hey, to build on that. 01:57:34
Yeah, no, that's yeah. So let me just talk to that. One of the ideas that Nate, he called me when did you call me a couple weeks 01:57:39
ago and he said, hey, one thing that we should do is that as we're building it, if we can claim he said if we can work with the 01:57:45
state or just kind of there's different programs or ways to say with the materials being. 01:57:50
Right now how it kind of works is if you buy. 01:57:56
By materials in, let's just say, Evanston, WY. 01:57:58
The sales tax recorded an episode of Wyoming. But the interesting thing of like there's so much construction and building going 01:58:01
on, we if we claim it as here. 01:58:05
Right. And they'll have to be some working through it that we can claim it as Vineyard. 01:58:09
Because that's where the end product is going to be, if that makes sense. 01:58:12
So. 01:58:15
It's just like where, where is the sales tax getting allocated and just. 01:58:16
Working through that. So that was. 01:58:19
Did I say that right, Nate? I mean, did I? Yeah, clarify that because I. 01:58:21
It was we're paying millions of dollars in sales tax and some of that is going to other states, a lot of that is going to other 01:58:26
municipalities in Utah. 01:58:30
Wherever the lumber yard is in Utah, but the state code actually allows for it to go. 01:58:35
To where it ends up. 01:58:40
And so some of these like if you go by, you know, groceries. 01:58:42
Luckily we have a grocery store here. Hopefully you're all. 01:58:45
Beautiful residents, customers, but if you go to. 01:58:47
If you go to buy. 01:58:51
You know, something from Home Depot, for example, it doesn't make a lot of sense to buy some lumber and. 01:58:52
Try to get the sales tax pushed to Vineyard but when you're buying. 01:58:57
10s of millions of dollars of lumber that moves the needle a lot and pushes a lot of sales tax revenue to the city. 01:59:01
And we're paying it anyway, so we would much rather see it go to you. 01:59:06
Then go to other municipalities, That's all, Yeah. 01:59:09
Zach, a previous discussion. 01:59:13
That's maybe correlated. 01:59:15
Sure. 01:59:17
I don't think it's been specified was that. 01:59:18
You had an intent to establish an economic development subcommittee at some point. 01:59:20
Where are we at on that? 01:59:28
Well, because that's, I think exactly what we're talking about. Like would facilitate this if hey, we're just trying to fix bridge 01:59:30
ports parking problems tonight, brother. So like one thing at a time. 01:59:35
Yes, David, real quick on Nate's comment, I appreciate the. 01:59:42
Invite. I've always felt welcome to go. 01:59:46
At this point, I'm not a trained auditor to know all of the. 01:59:49
Policies and procedures. But he keeps me apprised. I mean I I talked to Chris quite often of like. 01:59:53
I'm this, I'm there. 01:59:58
Handing me a document and explaining it would just go. 02:00:00
So, but after Chris goes through and puts the policies in place and teaches me through it. 02:00:03
More than happy to come and sit down with you. It's not a cold shoulder, it's just more of a. 02:00:07
He's the person that's leading it. 02:00:12
So and Todd is we need Chris to be able to have it make sense and we talk to you. 02:00:14
Chris. 02:00:18
Yeah, I might sit in on those meetings when he sits down with them for sure. Yeah. 02:00:21
David, did you have something real quick? 02:00:27
Yeah, go ahead. 02:00:28
Yes. 02:00:29
A question and the comment. 02:00:32
The question is if. 02:00:34
We want institutional memory to be developed, to be grown through this process. 02:00:35
Then probably ought to look at someone who's in. 02:00:41
In the institution. 02:00:44
And we know is going to be here. 02:00:46
To maintain that stability continuity, yeah. 02:00:48
For the institution. 02:00:51
And the other part, as a taxpayer, which is a little concerning to me. 02:00:52
Is. 02:00:57
Umm. 02:00:59
The payment to someone. 02:01:03
Hiring someone? 02:01:05
To go through this process. 02:01:08
Through volunteering their time but paying them and I understand I spent a lot of hours. 02:01:12
Volunteering for different things. 02:01:18
But there should be a formal process. 02:01:20
When the city pays someone to do something. 02:01:26
And that process should be. 02:01:29
Public. 02:01:31
That's what I want to say. Can I address that just briefly? So part of the just for the knowledge of everybody here. 02:01:33
When Zach talked about raising the administration. 02:01:39
From 4 to 6%. 02:01:42
That would essentially be RDA funds. 02:01:44
Specified for the administration of the RDA. 02:01:47
And the way it works to my understanding right now. 02:01:51
Is we have. 02:01:54
The RDA director who's paid out of that and then. 02:01:55
A large portion of it comes to the city because the city is doing the work to administer the RDA. 02:01:57
If we were to hire. 02:02:03
Or establish people for those roles. It would be funded through the RDA tax dollars. 02:02:04
And I mean we. 02:02:10
Hiring practices for those positions. 02:02:13
Referring to like. 02:02:16
I agree with you. 02:02:18
Yes. 02:02:22
Councilman hold the. 02:02:24
Microphone. Yeah, Come to the back, yeah. 02:02:26
Staffing for the RDA is 1 issue. 02:02:29
The issue on. 02:02:32
I'm addressing. 02:02:33
It Councilman Holdaway mentioned a couple of names. 02:02:35
Well, people who have been. 02:02:39
Working on this. 02:02:40
With a suggestion that. 02:02:42
We pay them. 02:02:44
That process. 02:02:46
Should be an organized public process. 02:02:49
Yeah, we don't question the worldwide. There should be some. 02:02:52
Yeah, some sort of. 02:02:55
Yeah, competitive process and making sure that we got candidates all that and right now there for sure. 02:02:57
To clarify, right now they're serving as volunteers, they offered, and we're grateful to have them. 02:03:02
Send their time on it. 02:03:07
Correct for sure. 02:03:08
And also the. 02:03:09
And also. 02:03:10
For, I mean, I think everybody knows that. 02:03:13
Carsten over 2 years. 02:03:15
Carson Walker, John Barrick. 02:03:17
And Kim Cornelius were the ones that discovered. 02:03:21
All of the problems from the outside. 02:03:23
Carson was assigned by Mayor Young of Orem. 02:03:26
And as an assignment to look into the RDA to find out why it wasn't functioning the way it should. 02:03:29
And then John Barrack was as well, so. 02:03:35
Hundreds of hours. 02:03:38
Over the past two years. So that's why I'm saying keep that institutional knowledge because they've been supporting me for two 02:03:40
years. 02:03:43
In going through that. 02:03:47
So. 02:03:49
Supporting youth they're not. 02:03:50
They. 02:03:53
They need someone. 02:03:54
If we're going to. 02:03:56
At institutional. 02:03:57
Yes. 02:03:59
It's an excellent suggestion. 02:04:00
Thank you right and and we hiring process. 02:04:02
Right, but I agree a formal. 02:04:06
100% bidding it, putting it out to bid, interviewing, you know? 02:04:08
But yeah. 02:04:13
OK. Thank you. 02:04:15
All right. Well, let's move off that discussion. 02:04:16
Thank you for everyone's comments on that. 02:04:18
One last thing. Do we? Do we? 02:04:20
We have to go ahead to look into staff time spent. 02:04:22
Oh yeah, that was the last thing. Yeah, let's let's start looking into that because I think that and I think that probably. 02:04:26
Yeah, that would be helpful. And can you clarify that, David? What, what were you saying? You said look into staff time. 02:04:32
Yeah, the staff to the time as staff is spending on RDA issues. 02:04:38
If we want to justify an RDA staff, we probably need to know exactly how much time is being spent and see if we have full time 02:04:42
work to do right now because because the majority of the staff work on the RDA Vineyard staffer salary and they don't. 02:04:48
Delineate their. 02:04:55
Swiss need to kind of keep track of hours for a while so. 02:04:56
OK, and can I have Councilman Mayor helping you? 02:05:00
Awesome, sounds good. 02:05:03
OK, OK, great. 02:05:05
All righty, we're going to move on to the consent items. 02:05:07
Let's do consignment 5.1 approval of the February 3rd, 2026 City Council minutes. 02:05:10
I move to approve consent item as presented. 02:05:15
2nd, 2nd. 02:05:19
All in favor. 02:05:22
Hi. 02:05:23
Any nays? 02:05:24
OK, awesome. 02:05:25
Alright, we're going to move the business. Item 6.1 Overnight parking permit. 02:05:27
Area at 100 W and 470 N The Springs Resolution 2026-2. 02:05:31
This looks like councilmember would ask that we. 02:05:37
Continue this item. 02:05:40
Yeah. Can I ask? 02:05:43
If maybe any of the staff knows, was there any progress made with the survey that we directed? 02:05:46
So I'm still waiting for a couple responses from some property owners, so that's OK. 02:05:51
Continue. OK, so you've been conducting the survey, not the staff? 02:05:55
OK, OK, great. 02:05:58
Can I get a motion on that to Yeah, I move to continue item 6.1 to a future meeting? 02:06:02
Can I get a second? 02:06:08
2nd. 02:06:09
Awesome. All in favor. 02:06:10
Aye, any nays? 02:06:12
Do we? Do we want to specify the meeting? Otherwise we can just strike it and add it back on whenever we. 02:06:14
Yeah, let's. 02:06:19
When do you think Jake? 02:06:20
Jacob. 02:06:22
Yeah, OK. 02:06:23
Probably sometime. 02:06:26
I'd say, would it be two weeks out or a month out? What do you think? 02:06:28
OK, two weeks. Let's just leave it as a because if you say a specific date. 02:06:32
You have to. 02:06:38
Bring it in, OK, Sounds good if you leave it open like this and. 02:06:39
When you're done, you're done. You bring it back, OK. Otherwise it's just kind of striking it. 02:06:42
Yeah, OK. 02:06:47
There's not really a point to continue with without a date I guess, but OK. 02:06:48
So we'll do 2 weeks, let's put up next or. 02:06:52
OK, what do you? 02:06:54
Let's strike it for now, and then we'll. 02:06:57
Come back if it's available in two weeks and put it back on. 02:06:58
OK. So that would be a different motion then? 02:07:01
So can we recall a motion to recall that last motion that we just did and substitute it with a motion to strike? 02:07:04
Second, can I second all in favor? 02:07:11
Aye, aye. 02:07:14
OK. Now we'll do the motion to strike. OK, motion to strike. 02:07:15
6.1. 02:07:19
OK, let me get a second. 02:07:20
Aye, second. 02:07:22
All in favor. 02:07:23
Aye, OK. Motion carries. 02:07:24
All righty, let's chat about this the City Council annual meeting schedule. 02:07:27
Amendment 2.0. Resolution. 02:07:31
Mayor, Mayor, Point of order. We are 4 minutes from 8:00. 02:07:33
So we have kept. 02:07:37
Para Councilman Mccumbers goal. 02:07:38
And I just want to point that out as we start this out because the goal is to have more meetings and less long meetings. And we've 02:07:41
kept the goal of. 02:07:44
8:00 So I just wanted to point that out before you start the discussion. Thank you so much. All right. 02:07:48
OK, let's discussion on that. 02:07:53
Where's everybody at on the current meeting schedule where every other week, Tuesday nights at six? The question is? 02:07:57
Do we want to do more? 02:08:03
Frequent meetings. 02:08:04
Yes, I. 02:08:08
You can go first, that's fine. My question is, you've got every Tuesday marked and so which, which ones do we want to use? Yeah, 02:08:10
right. 02:08:14
Well, the the purpose was that we. 02:08:18
We want to be more transparent than less transparent. 02:08:21
So it doesn't mean that we would be holding those meetings. 02:08:25
And I believe that it would be. I think we're getting through a gluttony of just. 02:08:27
A ton of stuff for the spring. 02:08:31
And until it happens. 02:08:33
Be more proactive of saying. 02:08:35
It's every other. It's every Tuesday telling the citizens that it is. 02:08:37
And then as soon as we know there's not. 02:08:41
Make a notice like. 02:08:43
This one we don't need and then when we get to April saying. 02:08:44
We're done with this. We go back to. 02:08:48
Normal until we get to long meetings like Mr. Mccumber. 02:08:50
Doesn't like. 02:08:54
Then we go back to more as needed. 02:08:55
That was the idea. 02:08:57
It seems like to me. 02:08:59
Kind of where I've been thinking about it. I'd love to hear everybody else's thoughts. A lot of this stuff we can handle with a 02:09:00
work session. 02:09:03
And then bring it to council. 02:09:07
For vote, the work session we had on Tuesday with. 02:09:09
Parks was, I mean amazing in my opinion is super helpful and I think that. 02:09:14
That type of cadence. 02:09:19
Would make sense as well where? 02:09:20
Have work sessions and then whatever. 02:09:23
Comes the work session that we need to vote on. We can just do it. I am very supportive of those sessions because I heard so. 02:09:26
Great power, impactful they were. My only problem is is that. 02:09:32
I only know 48 hours and the citizens only know 48 hours. So like. 02:09:36
Like being able to do that if we could just change that to. 02:09:39
Every two We only do those on Tuesdays from 3:00 to 5:00 or whatever. 02:09:43
Because like, I can't make this coming Thursdays either. You know that you're going to be doing. I want to be there so. 02:09:48
The whole goal is just to be more transparent, organized, of like. 02:09:54
When we do those. 02:09:58
I can block off my professional time and be there. They still want it to happen. But then also that it's just a work session so 02:09:59
there's no votes. 02:10:03
And we can still do it via Zoom. 02:10:07
And there's recordings and there's recordings. 02:10:09
I I listen to the recording but. 02:10:11
But still wanted to participate, yeah. 02:10:13
I wouldn't handcuff ourselves. 02:10:15
With uh. 02:10:17
Excessive work session notification. 02:10:19
Because there's no actions taken. 02:10:22
If we set a hard rule. 02:10:24
That says like you have to notice your work session two weeks in advance to get it on everybody's calendar. 02:10:26
You just prohibit the council from being able to actually do work with the staff, that's true. 02:10:31
That's true and I think. 02:10:35
All of us, at some point in time in our lives, have expressed some frustration or complaint at our government officials not 02:10:36
working enough. That's true, and I would much rather err on the side of us showing up and doing the work than us being lazy and 02:10:41
not. 02:10:45
I agree. 02:10:50
OK, so I'm OK either way, Parker, you're saying we should schedule every Tuesday night? 02:10:51
So we currently have every Tuesday night scheduled, correct? 02:10:55
Yes. And we are still holding meetings. That's the proposal. Proposal is every Tuesday night currently it's every other we have 02:10:58
historically I would prefer. 02:11:03
That we have at least one weekly meeting, whether that's a council or a work session. 02:11:08
Until we're at the point where these meetings aren't more than two hours. 02:11:14
Can we standardize? 02:11:18
When those work sessions take place, like every Thursday at noon or every Tuesday at noon or something? Sure, yeah. 02:11:19
I think that'd be Ezra. You have a cousin. What are your thoughts? Yeah, No, I would just love to. 02:11:25
Say we set the schedule for the whole year of. 02:11:31
Here's when the work session is. Here's when council meeting is. 02:11:35
I think it's. 02:11:39
Just meeting more frequently doesn't necessarily bring more transparency to the public because. 02:11:40
I think having the agenda set out ahead of time and making sure this is the agenda, everybody knows this is the agenda. 02:11:46
We're not sending out five different versions of the agenda ahead of the meeting like. 02:11:52
Has happened. 02:11:55
All the meetings up to this one. 02:11:56
I think it will be very helpful to just say. 02:11:58
All right, we're going to. 02:12:00
Every other week will be a council meeting, we'll vote on items and then we'll have a work session on those those off weeks and 02:12:02
whether they're during the day or in the evening. 02:12:07
As long as we just have the schedule out and say this is our schedule, this is what we're committed to. 02:12:12
Work session council, work session council. That's a great cadence. I think it will. 02:12:17
Allow us to accomplish all those goals and. 02:12:21
Give the public all opportunity to say. 02:12:24
Here are all the meetings for the year and. 02:12:26
I know when they're happening, we don't have to cancel many meetings last minute. 02:12:28
I just want to. 02:12:32
Get that notice out to people so. 02:12:33
If we want to do during the day work sessions, I think we might need to just look at our calendars and see what works best for 02:12:36
everybody. 02:12:39
Otherwise, if we wanted to just say. 02:12:42
Every other. 02:12:44
Tuesday evening is a work session versus a council meeting. 02:12:45
That could be a good cadence too. 02:12:48
Yeah, David. 02:12:50
The purpose for having that the daytime work sessions was allowed staff to come without extreme, you know, overtime and so forth 02:12:51
and. 02:12:55
And now that's actually just helps. That's a good practice. 02:12:59
I look, we are the elected officials and we were elected to do some of the hard things and so we should make time to meet with the 02:13:03
staff when the staff are working. 02:13:07
Yeah, yeah. Sounds good. So when should we do that? 02:13:12
That we're back to win if if we're doing the work sessions. 02:13:15
Biweekly. Umm. 02:13:19
I think it's fine to do them biweekly during a work day and. 02:13:20
Look, we figured out how we're going to do that, but. 02:13:23
We should not overly. 02:13:26
Encumber our people unnecessarily. 02:13:28
Yeah. So sounds like we're not ready to pass a resolution right now. 02:13:31
With the exact dates. 02:13:36
I think that that's kind of where we're at right now. 02:13:38
I move to continue item 6.2. 02:13:41
Continuous strike. 02:13:44
Into a future meeting. Continue, yeah. 02:13:45
To next, I'm going to leave it very blank. 02:13:48
Can I offer a revision to the amendment to Sure? 02:13:50
So continue to next meeting, Yeah, that would be next Tuesday as it currently stands, as it currently stands. 02:13:55
24th, yeah, but actually with the 24th, yeah. 24th, 4th, yeah. And unless there was a special session. 02:14:02
Last week. Next one's the 24th. 02:14:07
Can I can I suggest? 02:14:09
One real quick thing before we vote. 02:14:12
I know staff only works part days on Fridays. 02:14:14
What if we asked them to come in at noon so they started the day later? 02:14:17
So it's still doing the work day. 02:14:22
And they did a. 02:14:24
12:00 to 4:00. 02:14:26
Work session on Fridays. 02:14:28
Does that work for everyone's calendars because still during the work day or are we loving to give them out Friday like they Brian 02:14:30
looks like he'll revolve. No, he hates that I love leaving at noon. 02:14:35
I'll do whatever. No, no, no. I know we want to think about this. 02:14:41
Works. I could do Mondays. 02:14:43
Mondays work better from Thursdays are my. 02:14:46
Important days with the CDC every Thursday. 02:14:49
The Thursdays are OK, so let's look at Tuesdays or Wednesdays then would be yeah Tuesdays are Wednesday, Friday. 02:14:52
We can do Friday morning, yeah. 02:14:57
Sounds like that was not popular, right Cape? And can I look at our schedules? Yes, come back next time. Could I propose 2 hours? 02:14:59
Because like 2 hours I can take. 02:15:04
I can reschedule and if we started at noon. 02:15:08
I can take one hour of lunch, come in an hour. It makes it a little easier for you. I generally stay short. 02:15:11
Two hours as a cap. 02:15:17
Yeah. 02:15:18
Thank you. 02:15:21
Just a little comment when we're. 02:15:23
When we're doing the department meetings, that's the reason for the longer. 02:15:25
Time, yeah, barely fit and I support this wreck on that. 02:15:29
Done last Thursday. 02:15:34
And we still could have used another. 02:15:36
Probably hour. 02:15:37
So maybe I've got them. OK. So we just keep, we don't have to do everything all at one meeting. Like we'll, we'll be having these 02:15:39
regularly. We could, yeah. 02:15:44
Yeah, I'm a big fan of giving people half the amount of time that they ask for. So if you ask me for a three hour meeting, I'm 02:15:49
going to tell you get an hour and a half and then you figure out how to get the meat and potatoes in in an hour. You asked 02:15:53
everyone asked a lot of questions. No Brussels sprouts. 02:15:57
All righty so. 02:16:02
Let's try to corral the horses here. 02:16:04
Where are we at? 02:16:07
Hey, can I ask we're gonna continue this till next meeting. Can I ask are the the group here? 02:16:08
Mr. Pierce, how many council meetings is too many council meetings? 02:16:16
Lord Almighty. 02:16:20
Is it problematic the reason I'm asking? 02:16:25
You think you asked me? 02:16:28
You opened the door, Please. 02:16:31
Microphone is yours. 02:16:34
I wonder how much it's worth at a pawn shop. 02:16:36
One council meeting. 02:16:44
Every two weeks. 02:16:45
To get work done. 02:16:47
To pass laws, passed resolutions. 02:16:48
To finalize. 02:16:51
The business of government. 02:16:55
Because that's what the voting does, is finalize. 02:16:57
Your business. The business of the people. 02:17:00
If you have a second meeting. 02:17:05
Every other week. 02:17:09
And not 2. 02:17:12
Which is kind of the work session, the session you had. 02:17:13
Thursday. 02:17:17
Which was wonderful, by the way. 02:17:18
Awesome you. 02:17:20
The people become weary. 02:17:24
Of the meetings. 02:17:27
Because there's just too many. 02:17:29
For the voters. 02:17:31
To keep track of. 02:17:33
Keep it simple. 02:17:35
If you're going to have meetings. 02:17:37
A work session. 02:17:39
And uh. 02:17:41
A voting session. 02:17:42
It's good, but. 02:17:43
That takes a lot of. 02:17:46
It take it takes your time. 02:17:47
But it it. 02:17:50
Takes the voters time too. 02:17:51
Sure. 02:17:53
And can we ask if anyone else would like to share thoughts? 02:17:55
And I think those work sessions if we used a better technology like Zoom. 02:17:59
Because then you can just chime in Zoom so much better. 02:18:03
To just the configuration of it, setting up a consistent. 02:18:05
Zoom number It's use the phone number of our city. 02:18:10
So everyone knows that this is the work session to chime in and listen to. 02:18:14
Even for council members, that. 02:18:18
Are working, you can listen in. 02:18:20
Listening to the work session, I think that's so transparent and easy. 02:18:21
We are working on. 02:18:25
New technology. 02:18:26
I like that. 02:18:28
So where are we at on this? Do we want to? 02:18:30
I mean, I know it's Florida Tuesday. 02:18:34
At noon. 02:18:37
Should we do? Should we just keep it Tuesdays? 02:18:39
Every other week. 02:18:42
Council meeting. 02:18:43
In the evening. 02:18:45
The other weeks. 02:18:46
12:00 to 2:00. 02:18:47
On Tuesday. Does that work for everybody? 02:18:48
So if we can hammer this out now, that's going to save us, yes, 20 minutes in our next. I like that off weeks it's Tuesdays, 02:18:50
Tuesdays at noon and the off weeks are. 02:18:54
No voting where no voting work sessions similar to special sessions as needed. 02:18:58
Yeah. 02:19:03
No brown bag it. 02:19:08
So the second and 4th Tuesdays will be. 02:19:10
Council meetings. 02:19:13
1st and 3rd would be work sessions, is that fair? 02:19:15
Sure. 02:19:18
OK. I just asked. Whatever you do, you restate the motion clearly. So I. 02:19:20
Know what the heck we're voting on? I moved to adopt Resolution 26. 02:19:27
26-08. 02:19:34
Amended as work sessions will happen on off weeks of the City Council meeting on Tuesdays. 02:19:36
At noon. At noon, Mountain time. 02:19:43
And they will be available on electronic. 02:19:47
Participation. 02:19:50
Is that everything? 02:19:51
Can I add a? 02:19:52
And so. 02:19:54
The uh. 02:19:55
1st and 3rd. 02:19:56
Tuesdays, uh. 02:19:57
On the. 02:19:59
So every every month here has a first and third Tuesday where we're. 02:20:00
In office, so first and third Tuesdays will be. 02:20:04
Work sessions from noon to 12. 02:20:06
Also, let's go ahead and add. 02:20:09
A meeting from 2 or noon to two. 02:20:11
Noon to 2 and then go ahead and add a meeting on February 26th for the annual budget retreat so we don't have to do a separate 02:20:15
thing for that from 2. 02:20:19
To 6:00 PM. 02:20:23
Did we also get in Thursdays? 02:20:27
Work session. 02:20:28
Just Tuesday. 02:20:30
No, he's talking about for the stick. Well, this is what we were talking about in the e-mail earlier. 02:20:31
The city staff departments. 02:20:37
Would like to have. 02:20:39
Individual work sessions so that they can share what their priorities are. They can seek feedback from the council alignment. 02:20:40
That's the one. Like Parks and Rec did last Thursday in a longer format. 02:20:46
They're asking to do those separately from our other. 02:20:50
Work sessions and. 02:20:53
Council, I thought, OK, I thought so. That's a separate item that they're trying to schedule, not to make no more competitive 02:20:56
terminology. It sounds like we need to continue this and pick it up. Sorry, let's keep trying. We're getting close. Here's my 02:21:01
thought. Dang close. 02:21:07
We already have the Council sessions. 02:21:13
And that would be the work sessions on the 1st and 3rd Tuesdays. 02:21:16
The Council meetings on the 2nd and 4th. 02:21:19
5th Tuesday's off. 02:21:21
It'll be great. 02:21:23
Then for these additional sessions, can we just. 02:21:24
Schedule them one off or do they have to be a part of the? 02:21:29
The overall calendar, No, no, they could be special sessions. So can we schedule those as just special session workshops, special 02:21:33
work sessions, special, correct. And they don't need to be on the annual calendar, they'll just be as a department needs a special 02:21:37
works. 02:21:42
OK, that's amazing. 02:21:46
OK, Everyone understands that these are staff requested that we're. Yeah. 02:21:48
That's yeah. OK. Ezra, will you restate the motion? 02:21:52
Because I think you're the closest. 02:21:56
All right. 02:21:58
Across the finish line, Yeah. Wow, this is I I will move. 02:21:59
OK, 2. 02:22:02
Adopt the. 02:22:04
Calendar. 02:22:07
So the resolution that adopts this calendar. 02:22:08
With the note that's starting. 02:22:11
February 10th. So that'll be our first meeting that we're adding. 02:22:13
Because that's today. We don't need to go in the past. 02:22:17
The first and third Tuesdays. 02:22:19
A council work session from 12:00 to 2:00 PM. 02:22:23
And then on the 2nd and 4th Tuesdays, a City Council meeting from. 02:22:27
6:00 to. 02:22:31
They're starting at six. 02:22:33
A budget workshop. 02:22:36
On February 26 from 2:00 to 6:00. 02:22:40
And then? 02:22:43
Additional meetings with staff. 02:22:45
As needed with. 02:22:47
Proper notice. Proper notice. 02:22:50
Perfect. You can do 24 hour notice. That's awesome. Do we have? Hold on, hold on. We're not done yet. 02:22:52
I would like to 2nd that. OK all in favor. 02:22:58
Aye, OK. I'm sorry to be that guy. Oh, Tony. 02:23:01
Roll call, please. All right, we're gonna roll call this. 02:23:05
Starting on my left. 02:23:08
Councilmember Mccumber votes aye. 02:23:09
Council member Holdaway Aye. 02:23:11
Councilmember. 02:23:14
Just me. 02:23:16
Aye, Councilmember Nair I. 02:23:17
OK, motion passes. All righty guys. Good job. 02:23:19
That is all we have for tonight. 02:23:23
There was a. 02:23:26
From the Meadows neighborhood, yes. Should we grab that real quick, please? 02:23:27
Yes. 02:23:31
Very heated. 02:23:32
Was all today on this. 02:23:34
Park. You know that skate park? 02:23:36
A lot of us don't want it. Some do. 02:23:40
And this. 02:23:43
Fizzler Guys has. 02:23:43
It's all proof. 02:23:45
I just want to know some information. 02:23:47
For all of us to find out what. 02:23:50
What's going on? OK, awesome. 02:23:54
Thank you. 02:23:56
Could you? Can you stay? Do you state your name? 02:23:57
Denise Condor. Denise Condor. 02:24:01
Alrighty, let's can we meet right after the adjournment and we'll kind of just look at that and. 02:24:03
And pull out your laptop. So OK, gonna ask if if Brian wouldn't mind coming over or sending the Brian, do you have a second to 02:24:08
come walk? All right, meeting is adjourned. 02:24:12
15 minutes over. 02:24:18