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  • Mayor Fullmer opened the meeting at00 PM    Appointments/Removals1. ARCH Commission
  • Parks and Recreation Director Brian Vawdrey introduced the pending appointees, Daniel George and Brooke Meyer
  • Brooke Meyer introduced herself to the council
  • Daniel George introduced himself to the council
  • Motion: COUNCILMEMBER SIFUENTES MOVED TO APPROVE DANIEL GEORGE AND BROOKE MYER AS ALTERNATES TO THE ARCH COMMISSION. COUNCILMEMBER CAMERON SECONDED. MAYOR FULLMER AND COUNCILMEMBERS CAMERON, SIFUENTES, CLAWSON, AND HOLDAWAY VOTED YES. THE MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.
  • Deputy Recorder Tony Lara swore in the newly appointed alternate members of the ARCH Commission.
  • Community Development Director Morgan Brim introduced Bryce Brady and spoke about his time with and contributions to the Planning Commission.
  • Mr. Brady commented on his service and thanked the council.
  • Mayor Fullmer presented Bryce Brady with a plaque to honor his service on the Planning Commission.    Presentations/Recognitions/Awards/Proclamations1.Presentation on the World Trade Center
  • World Trade Center President and CEO Jonathan Freedman presented a general overview of what WTC Utah was and programs that the city had already benefited from.
  • City Manager Eric Ellis provided an overview of some of the projects and past accomplishments of the city’s work with WTC.
  • Councilmember Sifuentes asked for clarification on the benefits of the different levels of memberships.
  • Councilmember Clawson asked how local businesses could take advantage of the services WTC offers.
  • Councilmember Holdaway expressed support for the mission of WTC Utah. He asked how a smaller city like Vineyard benefits from an ambassador level membership. He asked for clarification on the number of trade missions the city had participated in as well as how many had been scheduled for25. There was a discussion about the benefits of going on trade missions as it pertained to local businesses as well as about Foreign Trade Zones in Utah.     2.EDC Utah This item was postponed until the next City Council meeting.      Work Session Therewerenoworksessionitems  Public Comments
  • Daria Evans, living in The Villas, shared concerns regarding infrastructure as it pertained to emergency management. She wanted to also know if comments were going to be allowed for the parking item on the agenda.
  • Karen Cornelius, living in The Villas, shared a concern that her voice was not being heard, and asked for additional transparency.
  • Darlene Price, living in The Villas, expressed agreement with Councilmember Sifuentes regarding the tone of recent council meetings. She commented on the decorum rules that prevented clapping and said she felt like that was hindering her freedom of speech.
  • Chip Price, living in the Providence subdivision, told a story that he believed was an allegory for the current political climate in council meetings and expressed what he saw as a need for civility.
  • Sherrie-Kaye Miller, living on Holdaway Road, commented on the proposed code of conduct and that she had concerns about what she viewed as a lack of clarity in the definitions of some of the terms, specifically bullying.
  • Claudia Lauret, living on Holdaway Road, also wanted to express concern over the use of terms such as bullying.
  • Russell Evans, living in The Villas, expressed support for Councilmember Holdaway.
  • David Lauret, living on Holdaway Road, commented on the importance of whistleblowers.
  • David Pearce, living in the Cascade subdivision, thanked the members of the council for their service and expressed support for the proposed code of conduct.
  • Jacob Schooley, living in the Lakefront Subdivision, asked for more information regarding the current internet providers in the city.           Mayor and Councilmembers' Reports/Disclosures/Recusals
  • CouncilmemberSifuentes gave a report on the status of the new school district that was being created as well as the progress of the Utah City development.
  • Councilmember Cameron, wanted to reassure citizens that had mentioned the wildfires in California, that she had helped work on an emergency plan for the city. She expressed frustration over the lack of acknowledgement regarding the mayor’s decision, to place Councilmembers Clawson and Holdaway on a subcommittee, to evaluate changes to the proposed code of conduct.
  • Mayor Fullmer wanted to clarify that no one on the council had been prohibited, stopped, or thwarted from receiving information or attending meetings. She wanted to make sure that the public felt that their voices were being heard but that the members of the council were also being held accountable. Additionally she commented on statements that were made regarding Councilmember Holdaway from a previous meeting. She clarified that no one was suggesting that he only represented minority voices but rather the councilmember was saying that he was a minority voice on the council. She also encouraged members of the council to take care when speaking with members of the community and to not characterize any dissenting opinions they might hold, as being the opinions of the majority of the council.        Staff, Commission, and Committee Reports
  • City Manager Eric Ellis, gave a report on projects that staff were currently working on and the progress that had been made on some of those projects.
  • Lieutenant Holden Rockwell, with the Utah County Sheriff’s Office gave a brief presentation on the their yearly report.     Consent Items1.Approval of the December,24, City Council Meeting Minutes    2.ARCH Grant Policy and Procedure Manual Update    3.Alpine School District Resolution
  • Motion: COUNCILMEMBER SIFUENTES MOVED TO APPROVE THE CONSENT ITEMS AS PRESENTED. COUNCILMEMBER CAMERON SECONDED. ROLL CALL WENT AS FOLLOWS: MAYOR FULLMER, COUNCILMEMBERS CAMERON, SIFUENTES, CLAWSON, AND HOLDAWAY VOTED YES. THE MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.     Business Items1.Parking Permit Program Update (Resolution25-01)
  • Senior Planner Cache Hancey presented on the proposed update to the current Parking Permit Program.
  • Ms. Evans wanted clarification on which neighborhoods would be effected by the updates. She also expressed concerns about the number of parking passes that would be available during holidays. A discussion ensued.
  • Mr. Evans had a question about how the program was initiated in a neighborhood.
  • Stephanie Burke, living in the Providence subdivision, asked where on the website she could find the information that was being discussed. She then asked about pricing and concerns about possible technical issues with the app. She asked the council to postpone a decision on the program. A discussion ensued.
  • Ms. Cornelius stated she was confused, that the solution being proposed was not part of the conversation that was had at a previous round table meeting regarding parking issues. There was clarification that digital passes had been brought up during the previous meeting as well as clarification on how parking was assessed in new developments.
  • Mr. Schooley shared concerns he had with possible technical issues with the app and wanted to know if there would be an appeal process for vehicles towed in error.
  • Kristal Price, living in the Providence subdivision, expressed a concern that the solutions being proposed were not those offered by the community and that she did not feel the meetings for those discussions had been noticed well enough.
  • Mr. Lauret expressed his gratitude for the work that had been done to address parking concerns.
  • There was a discussion about solutions and a possible appeals process for technical issues.
  • The council discussed having a town hall the following week to further discuss the program before voting on the resolution.
  • Mr. Price had questions on pricing and a discussion ensued.
  • Motion: COUNCILMEMBER CAMERON MOVED TO CONTINUE ITEM1 UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING ON JANUARYTH. COUNCILMEMBER CLAWSON SECONDED THE MOTION. MAYOR FULLMER, COUNCILMEMBER CAMERON, SIFUENTES, CLAWSON AND HOLDAWAY VOTED YES. THE MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.       .Closed Session There was no closed session    .Business Items Continued.1.Code of Conduct (If Necessary)  This item was not discussed.  .Adjournment Mayor Fullmer adjourned the meeting at12 PM     MINUTES APPROVED ON: 29/2025   CERTIFIED CORRECT BY:                        TONY LARA, DEPUTY CITY RECORDER
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Event transcript
In just a minute. OK, we're good to go. 00:00:00
And we'll start out. 00:00:03
Let's see Mr. January 15th, 2025, the time is 6:00 PM. 00:00:06
And we're going to go ahead and get our. 00:00:11
Special session of the Vineyard City Council started. 00:00:13
We'll have Marty Sifuentes give our invocation and our Pledge of Allegiance. 00:00:17
Our dear King, Heavenly Father, we are so very grateful for this wonderful day. We're grateful for the. 00:00:26
Community and the staff here that's working together. 00:00:32
Please bless us with. 00:00:36
A good spirit. 00:00:38
Of community and collaboration and please help us. 00:00:40
Make good choices for our city and. 00:00:46
We're so very grateful for. 00:00:48
This wonderful state we live in and the freedoms we have, and we say these things in the name of Jesus Christ, Amen. 00:00:51
All right. 00:00:58
I pledge allegiance to the flag. 00:01:02
United States of America. 00:01:05
And see the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God. 00:01:07
Indivisible with liberty and justice for all. 00:01:13
All right. We're going to start out with a couple of appointments. So we have an arts, recreation, Culture and Heritage Commission 00:01:19
that we have in the community. 00:01:23
And recently part of our team was able to interview some applicants that want to serve and be a part of this committee for our 00:01:27
community. I'm going to have Brian come on up. 00:01:32
He's over Parks and Recreation and he's going to tell us a little bit about them and introduce them before I ask for a 00:01:38
recommendation from the council to approve these appointments. 00:01:42
Thank you, Mayor. 00:01:53
So we have two, we have 4 applicants for the Arts Commission. 00:01:58
Positions We have two alternate positions that are currently open. 00:02:02
And in our interviews there were. 00:02:06
Two of the four that really still got to us. 00:02:09
Those consisting of Daniel George and Brooke Meyer. 00:02:13
And I just want to highlight a number of things about each of them, of what really stood out to us about them and why. 00:02:18
We recommend that. 00:02:25
That they'd be appointed into the positions. 00:02:27
Daniel, George. 00:02:30
Has about 13 years experience in art education. 00:02:31
So fulfilling the art portion of Arch. 00:02:35
Would be fantastic. 00:02:38
Umm, through his expertise. 00:02:41
He is a university professor, specifically teaching photography. 00:02:43
He is a part of various committees. 00:02:49
He served as a leadership member for the Society of Photographic Education. 00:02:52
In the Southwest chapter. 00:02:57
And then he was one of many attendees to our open forum for the skate park. 00:03:00
So he is a strong advocate for. 00:03:06
That project. 00:03:09
And then Brooke Meyer. 00:03:11
She is a fitness instructor. 00:03:13
She has volunteer coached a number of our. 00:03:16
Youth sport leagues within the city. 00:03:20
So she has several children that have participated in many of the leagues. 00:03:23
And so she's been very great to work with in that regard. 00:03:27
And in addition to that, she has a strong interest in volleyball. 00:03:32
And she actually helped jumpstart the idea for Vineyard City to get a beach volleyball court. 00:03:36
Which then inspired us to go and seek out a grant which we were able to acquire. 00:03:43
And we are currently in the process of. 00:03:49
Getting a permit so that we can we can build. 00:03:52
A beach volleyball court. 00:03:55
Feel very strongly that both of them will be a great fit for these positions and strongly recommend that that they be appointed 00:03:58
into this. Awesome, thank you so much. I don't know if you guys want to come up and say anything to the council. 00:04:05
We would love to have you at least introduce yourselves with your names. 00:04:12
So come on up. So we can go 1st and then Daniel. 00:04:16
Hello, I'm Brooke Meyer. 00:04:23
I was born and raised Orem, UT and lived in Vineyard now for a while so I love this area. 00:04:26
I have 4 kids. 00:04:32
All play city sports. 00:04:35
Trying to think what else everyone wants to know. Brian did a great introduction on me. I'm excited to be here. I'm excited for 00:04:37
all the projects and potential the new city has. I love the idea of everything we've been doing. I took a public health course 00:04:41
where we talked about walkable cities. 00:04:45
In Europe and how amazing they are. And then all of a sudden I heard that week. 00:04:50
That I've got the walkable city here, so lots of great things. That's awesome. 00:04:53
Well, thank you for being willing to serve and for introducing yourself. Yes, thank you. 00:04:57
All right. 00:05:02
Hello, I'm Daniel George. I'm originally from Omaha, NE. I lived in Vineyard since 2017. 00:05:05
I have 3 kids. I yeah. 00:05:14
Like living in the community as well. I'm very much an advocate of like building the type of community that you want to live in 00:05:16
and so certainly things. 00:05:20
That the Arts Commission overseas being arts, recreation, culture and heritage. 00:05:23
Yeah, I'm very excited to be a part of that and have a. 00:05:28
At least an opinion when it comes to certain things. 00:05:31
Thank you. Thank you so much for introducing yourselves. We really appreciate it. 00:05:35
With that council, do you have any questions? Otherwise, I just asked for a motion to confirm these two appointments and thank 00:05:38
their willingness to serve our community. 00:05:43
I just want to make the. 00:05:52
I did was able to send the mayor e-mail about a request moving forward to be able to interview and get to know. So I don't nothing 00:05:54
against you guys just love to talk and know your names before it happens. So we're excited for you guys to serve, but just moving 00:05:58
forward if we're. 00:06:03
Appointing. I'd love to. 00:06:08
It's known before. 00:06:10
Yes, thank you for that e-mail and I was able to send you that for the other commissions. We will go ahead and send that for the 00:06:12
29th, so you'll have those names. 00:06:15
And we're that, that is actually why we did the introduction and have them tell you a little bit about themselves tonight. So it 00:06:19
was my first time meeting both of you as well. But our team has done such a good job and it's such a good application process. 00:06:25
And we're very excited to hear about what you guys. 00:06:32
Having your background and what you guys want to do for our community. So thank you for being here tonight. Marty, you were going 00:06:36
to make a motion. Yeah, I was going to move to approve Daniel George and Brooke Meyer to the Arch Commission. 00:06:42
Excellent. We have a first by Marty can I can second. 00:06:48
Second Second by Sarah. 00:06:51
Pam's grazing her hand. 00:06:53
As alternates. Thank you for clarifying that. 00:06:57
Yes. 00:07:01
And you second that. 00:07:03
Yes. OK. So they will serve on our Arts Commission as alternates. And what that means for the public is whenever somebody who's 00:07:04
seated is not available, they'll rotate their season. 00:07:09
So this is very helpful because it takes a lot to volunteer in the community and we appreciate you being willing and they'll have 00:07:14
an ample capacity to serve, I promise. 00:07:18
All right, with that, do I need to do a roll call? 00:07:23
OK, all in favor. 00:07:26
Aye, all right. 00:07:28
Yes, let's go ahead and spare them in. 00:07:31
All right. 00:07:44
Peter Green, I state your name. 00:07:47
Having been appointed to the Arts Commission. 00:07:52
Having been appointed to the Arts Commission, you solemnly swear. 00:07:56
That will support obeying defense. 00:08:00
That I will support, obey and defend the Constitution of the United States, the Constitution of the United States, and the 00:08:03
Constitution of the State of Utah, and the Constitution is the State of Utah. And then I will discharge the duties in my office 00:08:07
with the government. 00:08:11
That I will discharge the duties of my office is fidelity. 00:08:16
Just just. 00:08:26
Let's all stand for them. 00:08:29
Thank you. 00:08:30
We like to welcome our guests by standing up and clapping for you. I didn't announce it, but we really are volunteers and that's 00:08:36
because it takes so much to give back to your community and we're just grateful for the people that come and show up. 00:08:42
For the people that participate in our meetings and for the people that dedicate their times and lives to. 00:08:48
Making our community great and what it is. So thank you so much. 00:08:53
I'm going to go a little bit out of order because we are actually saying goodbye to one of our. 00:08:57
Planning commissioners, who's dedicated some time and I was going to have Morgan Brim come up and talk about Bryce Brady and all 00:09:03
that he's done for our community as well and then. 00:09:08
We want to honor you with a plaque. 00:09:13
So it is here. 00:09:16
Similar. And then Bryce, I'm going to put you on the spot and have you say a few words. 00:09:21
You know, you didn't prepare, but you're ready. You've been doing this in public for many years. Well, I can't say enough about 00:09:25
Bryce Freddie. I remember him when? 00:09:29
I think he came in and you had some proposals for our trail map. 00:09:33
The 2016 the The old house has now torn down. 00:09:37
But Bryce from the very beginning was just so energetic and I remember when our. 00:09:43
We had an opening on the Planning Commission. 00:09:47
And he was that kind of that first name that, that that came to mind. 00:09:49
But he has been just a stalwart and amazing. 00:09:54
Helped us get our first general plan. 00:09:57
Update going. 00:09:59
Our Parks and Recreation trail map. 00:10:01
That was our first one. He was a big leader behind that. 00:10:04
An advocate for our. 00:10:07
Bicycle infrastructure. 00:10:10
He took us through. 00:10:12
Major rezoning efforts, everything from the downtown, the Holloway Fields to the Forge. 00:10:13
I mean on and on and on. Bryce has been just a real leader in our economic development. 00:10:18
Helping set the vision and the tone for our community planning and. 00:10:24
Just can't, can't thank this guy enough. Thank you so much buddy. 00:10:28
Yeah, crazy. It's been eight years. 00:10:42
But yeah, it came in before we moved in, came to the City Council meeting in the old building and. 00:10:45
There were like 5 people there and. 00:10:50
That's how it's been for most of the meetings that I've been in. I've been only a couple of people. 00:10:52
The thing I must talked about is the whole time I've been on the Planning Commission. 00:10:58
I've pushed for a skate park and the fact that we're like. 00:11:02
Really moving with that. Like yes, I can leave like I'm good. 00:11:05
But it's don't get too excited. I just recommended you for a different position in the city. 00:11:12
I haven't heard anything about that. 00:11:18
But I'm I'm really excited about that. We have some amazing people in the city. We have amazing citizens. 00:11:20
And honestly, being on the Planning Commission has been so easy because of not only. 00:11:28
The staff and the council, but because of the many people that come out and point out things that. 00:11:34
Some of us have missed. 00:11:40
And I've loved that and I love the city so much. 00:11:42
We're going to spend a lot of time here. My kids are growing up here. 00:11:46
We don't plan on leaving anytime soon. I plan on being in a lot of meetings. You'll still see me. 00:11:49
So, yeah, thank you, guys. That's great. Let's all stand for it. 00:11:54
If you didn't get your plaque, make sure that you grab that and we'll get a picture for you. Oh, it's by me. Just kidding. 00:12:06
Let's do a picture with you. Come on up. 00:12:12
You have to celebrate these moments when people take time to serve with you for eight years. 00:12:17
Not something you're gonna miss. 00:12:23
Come on, counselor. 00:12:25
OK. 00:12:37
Thank you. 00:12:51
All right, I'm excited to welcome a friend and. 00:13:01
A strong advocate for the state of Utah, Jonathan Friedman. He's the president and CEO of World Trade Center and a strong economic 00:13:05
development partner for the city of Vineyard. And this is going to introduce a little bit about. 00:13:12
What World Trade Center does himself? 00:13:19
And what we're doing together. 00:13:21
Thank you for being here. Thank you for having me. I appreciate the opportunity to come and discuss the partnership that we have 00:13:24
between World Trade Center Utah and Vineyard City. 00:13:28
World Trade Center, Utah and my name is Jonathan Rubinos, who said I'm the president and CEO of the organization. 00:13:34
World Trade Center Utah was established by Governor Huntsman in 2006. 00:13:40
To help Utah companies grow. 00:13:45
Internationally. 00:13:47
95% of the world's consumers are outside the United States, 85% of consumption. 00:13:49
Is outside of our borders and so it represents a huge opportunity for Utah companies to expand into new markets. 00:13:55
And and grow our exports. 00:14:03
So I we've really enjoyed our. 00:14:07
Our relationship with the city. 00:14:11
Working we, we work with, you know, companies across the state. 00:14:13
To, you know, providing, providing the services. 00:14:18
And but. 00:14:22
We're I'm just so impressed. 00:14:24
With how? Vineyard City for starters. 00:14:26
Takes advantage and gauges and takes advantages. 00:14:30
Of our ambassador services that we provide. 00:14:33
The mayor and her team that just are really good examples of that. 00:14:36
To other similar groups around the state. 00:14:40
So. 00:14:43
I'm happy to answer any questions or keep talking about I mean I. 00:14:45
We. 00:14:50
There's some interesting things about our organization where the nominated entity in the state to administer these small business, 00:14:52
small business administrations step grants. 00:14:56
That allows grant funding for businesses to. 00:15:01
Travel and to youth for marketing and to open, you know, new markets to go to trade shows around the world whether it's out. 00:15:06
Outdoor recreation or medical devices or whatever the industry. 00:15:16
And so we are the nominated entity for the foreign trade zone. This is really interesting as we have a new administration coming 00:15:20
into. 00:15:25
Office in DC. 00:15:30
And there's a lot of talk of tariffs. That's scary for entrepreneurs. I'm an entrepreneur. I've been an entrepreneur my entire 00:15:32
life. 00:15:35
Had started a business when I was 17. 00:15:39
And these are tricky things for businesses to navigate. 00:15:42
Were the grantee of the Foreign trade zone, which allows companies. 00:15:46
To participate, to defer. 00:15:50
To reduce or to potentially eliminate. 00:15:53
Duties and tariffs that they pay as they import materials used for manufacturing. 00:15:56
And making their their product. We host networking and educational events. 00:16:03
To make sure that Utah companies are well informed. 00:16:08
We inform government agencies, federal agencies, our federal delegation. 00:16:13
And I serve on AUS trade representative. 00:16:20
Committee. 00:16:23
So USTR is one of the president's cabinet members. 00:16:25
And so we're, I'm on a small committee that advises. 00:16:28
USTR on what we're seeing here in Utah, how we can take. 00:16:32
Utah Not only Utah challenges, but also Utah solutions. 00:16:37
To our other States and to the world. 00:16:41
So. 00:16:47
Very happy to answer your question. 00:16:49
Eric, maybe you can sign in and add some of the things that we've been able to do with Jonathan and his team. 00:16:52
And some of the big projects that we've been working on together. And then we can talk about, I know there were some questions 00:16:58
between why be an ambassador and what that means in comparison to other kind of levels of membership. And we can talk about what 00:17:05
it's done for us and the return of investment that we've seen. But then we'd love to be able to ask questions and. 00:17:11
Hear more about World Trade Center. Absolutely happy to answer anything. Go ahead and thank you again for being here. 00:17:19
So. So from a Vineyard standpoint. 00:17:25
Working with the World Trade Center has been. 00:17:28
A huge boom to not only our current economy but but our future economy. 00:17:30
I'd like to talk about just some of the partnerships that have developed because of this relationship. 00:17:37
Huntsman Cancer Institute announced they were coming to Vineyard. 00:17:43
Shortly after, working with World Trade Center and going on a trade mission. 00:17:47
We have EU of U, the UVU Wellness Center and life sciences ecosystem coming to Vineyard. 00:17:53
From just the Huntsman Cancer Institute. 00:18:05
Partnership alone. 00:18:09
We we will see. 00:18:12
They did an economic. 00:18:14
Evaluation of what the their headquarters in Salt Lake has done for the surrounding community. 00:18:16
And we expect that to be a very comparable. 00:18:23
Economic impact here in Vineyard. 00:18:26
They have created 11,000 jobs, both direct and indirect. 00:18:29
We expect them to have 4000 develop 4000 jobs that are direct jobs associated with Huntsman. 00:18:33
And for everyone job that they create. 00:18:40
There are three. 00:18:43
Additional jobs. 00:18:45
For supporting services. 00:18:46
They have created a $1.25 billion annual growth product here in Utah. 00:18:49
On average, each year they bring in $25.6 million. 00:18:56
In that state, sales tax revenues. 00:19:01
And so we are expecting a second. 00:19:04
A replica, essentially, of that campus. 00:19:07
Will be what we experience here from an economic development standpoint in Vineyard. 00:19:10
In addition to those partnerships, we've been able to. 00:19:17
Participate in some of the. 00:19:22
Trade missions. 00:19:25
That have connected our staff with partners around the world. 00:19:26
In the form of. 00:19:32
Innovation Hubs. 00:19:34
Something that Vineyard is very excited about doing is bringing in these entrepreneurial. 00:19:36
Innovation Hubs. 00:19:42
That spin off businesses. 00:19:44
That to not only support and create local businesses here in Vineyard. 00:19:46
But also to take advantage of the. 00:19:52
Of the. 00:19:54
Free trade zone that you're referencing. 00:19:57
So the potential that we have businesses here in Vineyard. 00:20:00
That can bring in products from some of these partner. 00:20:03
Cities and countries from around the world. 00:20:08
Develop or light manufacture products. 00:20:11
And send those back out without having to pay. 00:20:14
Excess duties or tariffs on those products. 00:20:17
So again, supporting our local businesses here. 00:20:20
We also have. 00:20:26
Through this partnership. 00:20:28
Had the opportunity to explore. 00:20:30
Unique energy options. 00:20:33
As we all know, one of the. 00:20:35
One of the core. 00:20:37
Supporting uh. 00:20:38
Tax revenue generators and Vineyard. 00:20:40
Is our energy our power plant? 00:20:42
That isn't the only opportunity we have for energy here in Vineyard. 00:20:46
We're exploring the district energy. 00:20:49
Offering. 00:20:52
That could not only provide sustainable energy, but also be a second. 00:20:54
Revenue source. 00:20:59
For our RDA and for our tax base here in the city. And what's really exciting about that is it's a base load power. So right now 00:21:01
as the state is struggling to not struggling, really advancing and working on how to bring more base load power to the entire 00:21:07
state. 00:21:12
Vineyard, because of this partnership, has been able to propel and advance our ability to bring in baseball power right in our 00:21:19
community as we grow from the ground up and really set us. 00:21:24
On a trajectory for businesses and companies and families to have a sure way of receiving power for the future and really made a 00:21:29
strong opportunity for our economy moving forward for generations to come. And it's really exciting. And that was one of the 1st. 00:21:37
Trade missions that our team went on with you. 00:21:45
That got that idea, brought it home and are implementing it right now. And that's such an incredible opportunity for us. So we 00:21:48
learned at Huntsman, we're working on an Innovation Center for local businesses and entrepreneurs and then. 00:21:54
Or bringing in power, which is incredible. And as we wrap up this, this education, energy workforce development kind of. 00:22:01
Economic development plan. 00:22:08
We prepare vineyards to take advantage of the coming Olympics. 00:22:10
Through both housing and other innovative opportunities to bring. 00:22:16
Families and potential. 00:22:22
Even sites for Olympic venue. 00:22:24
Here in the city, which could be phenomenal. And so we're very excited about this partnership and grateful for you to be here 00:22:27
today. Yeah, we have an aerospace and defense company. I know we take advantage of all of the economic seats that you guys sit on 00:22:33
with UOC, the Inland court, all of the networking opportunities. I know you were at Silicon Slopes the meetings today, and all of 00:22:39
those have been such a benefit to our community. 00:22:44
And it's, it's a really interesting thing to see. It's not just what we're talking about. It's bringing the nurses for Huntsman 00:22:51
and the facilitation of the partnerships that we've made with the different universities that are here. So there's so much that we 00:22:58
can say. And I, I know you're, it's very high level, but we're just really grateful that you are here and talking about this 00:23:05
because it's been such an advantage to our community council. With that, why don't you guys ask some questions that you have? 00:23:12
And then we won't take too much of your time. And if you have questions that you really want to get into with us, we can dive in 00:23:19
at a future meeting because. 00:23:23
And they're only here for a short time, but I think one of the, it's really nice to meet you and we're thankful that you could 00:23:28
come here and explain. 00:23:32
Kind of the benefits of our partnership with our staff. 00:23:36
What I'm wondering is a lot of people, of course, budgets and city government can get tight and I know that there's different 00:23:39
levels of membership. And so I was wondering if you could explain kind of. 00:23:44
The benefits of the ambassador membership versus I think it's called the envoy and executive. 00:23:50
If you could just explain. 00:23:55
Yeah, absolutely. Vineyard City is an ambassador member. Those are those those. 00:23:57
Services that we provide. 00:24:04
Are reserved for. 00:24:06
Such a membership. 00:24:08
Such as? 00:24:10
You know, advising. 00:24:12
You know. 00:24:14
Bringing, you know, thought leadership to the community here. 00:24:16
To your businesses to grow your economy. 00:24:20
I you know, I wanted to mention that. 00:24:24
The the foreign trade zone, one thing that was really important to me that I that I talked about. 00:24:26
Is that? 00:24:31
It doesn't take any any taxpayer dollars, you know, it just retains money here. 00:24:32
In your economy with me, just avoid sending that to the federal government. 00:24:40
You know, so we advise on programs like this. 00:24:46
To our ambassador members. 00:24:50
And, and we want to make ourselves available to any Vineyard City company that would like to take advantage of this. And we, in 00:24:52
fact we've, we are breaking down the barriers in order to make this available. 00:24:58
To Utah companies and companies right here in your community. 00:25:04
Normally, as there are 300 of these foreign trade zones. 00:25:07
Around the country. 00:25:12
And there are significant barriers such as expense to joining them. We're the only foreign trade zone grantee. 00:25:13
That has. 00:25:21
Paid that expense out of our budget in order to make that available to any Utah company. 00:25:23
That wants to participate, for example. 00:25:28
Staedtler Rail just comes to mind. They were quoted $350,000. 00:25:31
To see before they would have to pay that before they would know. 00:25:35
What if they could participate? Or what they might save in duties and tariffs? 00:25:40
And so they ultimately, they're a big company. They ultimately decided against it. Like, it's not, you know, we just don't know if 00:25:45
it's worthwhile. 00:25:49
Umm, there are. I could name five companies just like them that were that were quoted between 250,000 and $350,000. 00:25:53
And so we said this is crazy. We went out and found. 00:26:02
A consultant that we hired that specializes in the zone, we are paying that that funding or that that money we're making that 00:26:05
investment and then saying. 00:26:09
Will provide cost benefit analysis to any company that wants to. 00:26:14
Know if they can benefit from this. 00:26:19
And and we're finding. 00:26:20
Companies that will save. 00:26:23
You know SME's, I'm not talking about large companies that will say 500,000 dollars, 750,000 dollars, 300,000 dollars, 1.4 00:26:24
million. 00:26:28
It's incredible. And again, no taxpayer dollars are. 00:26:33
Are put towards this incentive to grow your own business, they can reallocate their capital. So it's platforms like that that we 00:26:38
deliver to Vineyard City and to our Ambassador members. 00:26:44
How do our local businesses take advantage of that? 00:26:53
We I would like to leave you with my cell phone number and have them contact me directly, but anyone could go to our website 00:26:56
wtcutah.com. 00:27:00
And and get in touch with us. 00:27:03
We have a team of. 00:27:05
2021. 00:27:07
Professionals. 00:27:10
They have each had. 00:27:11
Fantastic careers. 00:27:14
Will take pay cuts. 00:27:16
To come and work at World Trade Center in Utah because it has such a substantial impact. 00:27:18
On our our city and state economies and one of the things that they offer and that we do. 00:27:22
Is we actually have our companies and our developers work with them so they send businesses and drive economic development 00:27:28
opportunities to our. 00:27:33
Developers within the community and then they work with our individual businesses. They also have us. 00:27:38
And we're saying we don't want you to go outside of vineyards, we want you to stay here. So what can we do to help you stay? 00:28:14
And these these meetings are happening frequently so that we can make sure we're growing our economy, keeping our businesses here 00:28:18
and then giving them the best advantages and then also driving. 00:28:24
Economic development right into the heart of our community, so. 00:28:30
That's right. I mean, Utah is a unique place. 00:28:33
We have incredible innovation here. We collaborate well, we're industrious, we work hard. 00:28:36
And it's, it's, it's exciting to go around the world and tell you, toss a story. 00:28:42
To find. 00:28:48
The best ingenuity bring it here, but just to drive our exports and as I mentioned earlier with the with the opportunities that 00:28:49
exist outside of our borders. 00:28:55
It's a fabulous opportunity for Vineyard City companies to to grow by exporting and meeting with partners around the world. 00:29:00
Excellent. 00:29:09
I have a lot of questions. 00:29:11
But first, I want to start on a positive note. How was Lou Kramer? He's great. He's been really well. I talked to him a couple 00:29:13
days ago in London. Yeah. He's serving in an LDS mission mission with his wife, Barbara, and they're really doing well. They're 00:29:19
having a great time. They're assigned to the diplomatic corps, all the embassies that are in London. 00:29:25
Are under their purview. 00:29:32
Don Staley just switched spots with them. 00:29:33
Yep, and I haven't called them because the hours are different. But yeah, I'm glad that he's doing well. 00:29:37
I completely believe in the mission of World Trade Center Utah. 00:29:44
I've been to dinner many times where Loose sold me on the ideas of businesses and. 00:29:48
How well and he's so excited. I mean, you get to him, his energies. 00:29:53
So to see it is pretty exciting. I think my concern is. 00:29:57
Just for a tiny city. 00:30:02
And I don't want to. 00:30:04
Publicly challenged too many things, but. 00:30:06
In my experience over the last decade, it's been more of like. 00:30:09
How does a small city use it? Because I know so much about your large city and also like not largely large company. 00:30:13
Trying to get them to come to Utah. 00:30:21
And all of that. And so it's like. 00:30:23
My concern is is trade. All of the companies that you mentioned I know are already Utah based companies like Huntsman and. 00:30:26
And others and also. 00:30:34
The Lockheed Martin on 400 S. 00:30:37
Umm, my concern is that all of those are here. Why are we going, You know, why are we going to different countries and. 00:30:39
How many country, how many trade missions have we gone on so far and how many are we going to go on this coming year? 00:30:48
I well, let's see. So far I'm not totally sure. I've been in the position a year and a half. 00:30:54
We were so I believe I've been on one. I know that you went to. 00:31:00
Another with the aerospace and defense. 00:31:05
Industry or association? 00:31:07
So I'm 3 so when Vineyard goes there. 00:31:11
Are we talking about the businesses there and we're pitching them to move here to Vineyard. I think what we can say is that we 00:31:16
thank you, Jacob. I'm going to answer part of this and then he can answer it as well. But I, I wanna reiterate what? 00:31:24
Eric said, Which was something that we took back from it. 00:31:31
Was District Energy Innovation Hub partners and Huntsman Cancer Institute made a big announcement to our life science partners. 00:31:36
So one of the things that you guys do, and This is why I kind of jumped in, is you facilitate all these meetings and you make it 00:31:45
possible for us to meet with these companies. But then we come back and we take those resources and really create what we're 00:31:52
hoping to see here. And so you're not going to have all of the answers. And so I want to make sure that people know what we took. 00:31:59
From that and you can go on and talk about kind of what happened and what we're doing with innovation and what you guys, the 00:32:06
different tracks you did that I want to talk about. 00:32:10
I wanted to kind of bring it back to what Eric said. Yeah, no, I think it's well said, our primary objective. 00:32:14
Is to help. 00:32:20
Companies here. 00:32:22
Grow, you know, outside of our borders, However, that's what I thought. Yes, that is our mission. I mean, there's other there's 00:32:23
other associations that are you gonna use Lou, by the way? 00:32:28
He's gonna be an option. 00:32:33
Yeah, I mean, don't partner with him, with him right now. 00:32:35
Now that said, when we are. 00:32:40
On a trip, we're seeing best practices across the world, right? I mean, the solving Your energy challenges in Vineyard City is a 00:32:42
perfect example. 00:32:47
Where you look at economic hotspots around the world and they have always grown out of adequate energy. 00:32:52
You know, we're seeing so much in migration. We're seeing so much growth internally. 00:32:59
That frankly, we're having lots of discussions at the Capitol because. 00:33:03
We're not going to be able to sustain our own growth. 00:33:08
Let alone grow economically. You know, a welcome. You know, more companies here ahead of things like the Olympics. 00:33:11
So I I'm really proud of our local and state leaders for taking this seriously. I mean, I was just. 00:33:18
Talking to our Senate President today about this. 00:33:27
You know, there's a focus on on lots of energy options, but that is going to be critical. So, you know, things like the Huntsman 00:33:29
cancer. 00:33:34
Center that isn't just a facility, but it's an ecosystem as was mentioned. 00:33:38
I mean, that is an opportunity for Utah companies to. 00:33:43
To see voids in that ecosystem and grow so we can grow internally. It also provides certainly opportunities to bring companies in 00:33:47
and invest in Vineyard City. 00:33:53
So both growth from within. 00:34:00
You know opportunities from to import innovation. 00:34:03
But honestly, when we're talking about World Trade Center in Utah, our core competency is exporting products and services. 00:34:06
And, and quite frankly, that's why I don't want to ask some of my harder questions is because. 00:34:14
I'm such a believer in like, what it's done. 00:34:18
And going through and doing that, but I just see the fit for a city as like. 00:34:22
OK, a small city is going to go to India or Ukraine or wherever the others. 00:34:26
And like bringing them back, it's like. 00:34:31
Well, no, but let's do something that's here and let's do something in Vineyard and bring all of our small businesses here because 00:34:34
that is your core competency and say. 00:34:38
You know, and then the second. 00:34:43
The thanks, I agree with you there. And the second thing is is on the. 00:34:45
Foreign trade zone that you talk about? 00:34:48
Is that a specific? Would that be 100% in Vineyard? Is that just like Utah County and Utah in general? 00:34:50
Do we set that up with the planning zone? 00:34:56
Or is it just like hey? 00:34:58
If you're within the board boundaries of Vineyard. 00:35:00
We can get these these tax credits. And so it's moving businesses into Vineyard. 00:35:03
Well, again, it does have the ability to attract. 00:35:09
Investment, however. 00:35:13
And let me back up and just say. 00:35:15
Logan St. George Price. 00:35:17
They would all love to be Vineyard City because you your entire city is within the Foreign Trade zone which spans the Wasatch 00:35:20
Front. 00:35:24
And so I, I, I hope someday to be able to expand this statewide because I want to benefit all of our communities. 00:35:29
Now, umm. 00:35:37
So a an entrepreneur or business here in Vineyard can. 00:35:38
Can can apply to participate in the Foreign Trade zone. 00:35:43
And then their facility is part of the zone. 00:35:47
So then when they import raw materials. 00:35:50
To manufacture something, it never hits US soil. It's there's no duty able event or or an event that could be or. 00:35:53
Or a transaction would be tariffed. 00:36:02
Until it leaves the zone, meaning their facility. 00:36:04
Now there's all sorts of great strategies that we can advise on that we do every day. 00:36:08
So typically the raw materials are at the highest due rate, highest tariff rates. 00:36:14
Once something is manufactured that drops it or eliminates the duty and tariffs altogether. 00:36:19
Now there's other strategies that we can talk to your businesses about such a shipping zone to zone again, it never touches US 00:36:25
soil. It's never, it's never assessed a duty. 00:36:30
Or or a tariff. 00:36:36
Or imported components manufactured and then exported again duty tariff free. 00:36:38
When when we hear so much talk from. 00:36:44
Washington About. 00:36:48
This tariff and that tariff, it's scary for entrepreneurs. I lived it. I remember the 301 tariffs. 00:36:50
During, you know, the last time that significant tariffs were imposed. 00:36:57
I had to renegotiate. 00:37:02
Hundreds of purchase orders. It took me months. 00:37:03
It was. It was not easy. 00:37:07
And so to have a solution where there aren't really many solutions other than what we're going to have to raise prices and pass it 00:37:09
on to the consumer, that's no good. 00:37:13
So we're really proud of that. 00:37:17
And two more questions. 00:37:19
Is it common practice for the city our size would send a mayor? 00:37:21
Across the world. 00:37:24
Other cities in Utah are going to be sending mayors this year. I think forward thinking cities do that and I really don't mean 00:37:26
that in any in any way other than just being genuine. 00:37:31
To to see, first of all to develop relationships. 00:37:37
For your companies, for your businesses to expand, I think is great. 00:37:41
Really valuable. 00:37:46
I think to see best practices, not just to meet dignitaries, foreign dignitaries. 00:37:48
And to understand how they do business. 00:37:55
And bring that back is really. 00:37:58
Is really important. 00:38:00
Also I'll say that. 00:38:02
Gosh. 00:38:04
For 3040% of the reason to sometimes go on these trips is just to better. 00:38:06
Become better acquainted with the delegation itself. 00:38:11
And you meet, you start working with the University of Utah or Utah Valley University or Utah State University, whoever it is or a 00:38:14
certain company and understand the potential and then talk to them about moving from West Valley to Vineyard City. 00:38:21
Or put together valuable partnerships like like working with me with Mary Becker Lee Huntsman Cancer. 00:38:28
Center, to answer your question, I see tremendous and of course, I live this day in and day out. I realize I'm biased. 00:38:37
But I see tremendous value and I and I honestly think that. 00:38:44
Citizens of Vineyard City should be really proud of the efforts made. 00:38:49
It's not easy to leave. 00:38:54
One of the things that I think has been really valuable to our state is right now we're all working on innovation hubs. 00:38:56
And one of the best opportunities that we've had and why we really picked this a few years ago when we were thinking about this is 00:39:03
that. 00:39:06
We were establishing an innovation hub during Beard and being able to have our staff and our teams and our businesses and then 00:39:09
individually go and meet with these innovation hubs. 00:39:15
What we're hearing in Vineyard as we're working with incubation centers and. 00:39:22
Educational facilities and with the state as we go out and we try to get a facility for an Innovation Center is that they want to 00:39:28
go mineral to product to an entrepreneurial business that then goes into the global market and they need those VCs from these 00:39:34
other innovation centers and partnerships. 00:39:40
In order to make that viable and that's been a really big success of ours and I feel like we attribute that to our partnership. 00:39:46
And what we've been able to do together and going and meeting these people, because without it, we wouldn't have been able to 00:39:53
start making these partnerships for us to land small businesses. And a big goal for us in Vineyard is we have to do economic 00:40:00
development and we want it to be a patent city. And we are all about local business and that has been a major outcome for us. 00:40:07
Any other questions? 00:40:17
Situation. You're well aware you live. You live and breathe it every day where you are developing this incredible city to be what 00:40:20
you want it to be to to, to follow your priorities. You're tracking businesses, you're developing businesses along those lines. 00:40:27
Other cities across the state and across the country don't have that luxury. They have what they have and. 00:40:34
And movement is very slow, so I think it really is very forward thinking. 00:40:40
Thank you. We've taken so much of your time, but we are so grateful for the time that you've given us and council, if you want to 00:40:44
schedule future meetings and upcoming things, we can do that and we will start. 00:40:50
I mean, we can send any future questions or additional questions we may have. But thank you for making the time and being here and 00:40:57
my pleasure. And please, I really would love to make myself available to any of you. If you have any questions, I'm happy to come. 00:41:04
Meet with you at any point. 00:41:10
So Mayor knows how to reach me and Eric can facilitate a meeting. Very happy to do that. Thank you. Please come and join some of 00:41:12
our events. 00:41:16
I think you'll enjoy them. 00:41:21
Yeah. Thank you so much. 00:41:23
Thank you. 00:41:24
All right, let's see. We will. 00:41:26
Move right into. 00:41:30
Our public comments. 00:41:32
And this is to discuss anything that is not currently on our agenda. 00:41:34
But that you'd like to address the Council if by raise of hands. Can you let me know if you want to speak today? And we're going 00:41:39
to limit it to two minutes. 00:41:42
Tony's gonna put your minutes on the. 00:41:46
Um, board. So if you don't family there, all right, perfect. Come on. 00:41:48
Daria Evans Villas resident. 00:42:05
With the aftermath of what's happened in California with the fires. 00:42:09
And the destruction and the evacuations, I think it prudent that we. 00:42:13
Use monies that are allocated for our future City Hall. 00:42:20
Towards improving our infrastructure. 00:42:24
We do not have adequate. 00:42:27
Ways to escape the city. 00:42:30
We have one lane roads. 00:42:32
We can't go in the lake. 00:42:34
So I think that is important that we really work on improving our infrastructure. 00:42:36
And also I am wondering if we will be able to make comments. 00:42:42
On the parking issue. 00:42:47
Item if we will be allowed to during that time, do you have a comment? I have well, I have questions and I was wondering if we 00:42:49
will be able to do that. OK, sorry. 00:42:54
Unfortunately, we come here not knowing. 00:43:09
How much time we'll have? 00:43:11
And it's originally been 3 minutes. That's what I prepared for and I would hope to be able to share what I've prepared. 00:43:13
First of all, 14 months ago we had an election here in Vineyard. 00:43:19
And I am grateful to live in this country where that is an opportunity that I have to vote and to vote. 00:43:22
For someone who I want to be my voice. 00:43:29
And a week before that election, there was a. 00:43:31
A text. 00:43:35
Aligning the character. 00:43:37
Of the candidate that I was choosing. 00:43:39
And I feel like it was OK. 00:43:42
At that time that Amber Rasmussen did that, even though it would not have passed our code of conduct that we spoke about last 00:43:45
night. 00:43:48
And I think it was OK because many of you were sure that that would cost this candidate the election. 00:43:52
But it didn't work. 00:43:58
As soon as the election was over. 00:44:00
We then experienced the four to zero power portable 4 to one power grab. 00:44:03
Because there are many questions. 00:44:09
Swirling around about the hiring of Eric Ellis and this would ensure that he could stay put. 00:44:11
And I think again, you thought this might silence our candidate, but it didn't. 00:44:18
You refused to give him any assignments. 00:44:23
And that was one of the reasons why many of us voted for him, so that our voice could be heard. 00:44:26
And I think again you thought that this might silence him, but instead. 00:44:32
He's been kept in the dark, so he has gone outside of the city, taking the answers to the questions. 00:44:38
That he couldn't get because he wasn't included. 00:44:44
And again, he hasn't been silenced. He still has supporters. 00:44:48
He still has questions that are important. 00:44:53
Like the RDA? 00:44:56
Like the city budget? 00:44:59
Like the international travel? 00:45:01
Like the deal with Mag to rent a portion of the new City Hall. 00:45:04
So he hasn't, and we all hope he will not be silenced. 00:45:08
I just want to end with Last night there was a very. 00:45:13
Unusual. 00:45:17
Scary feeling in this building when we were quickly, and I mean quickly. 00:45:19
Escorted out of this building. 00:45:23
By the sera and the door locked behind us immediately. I have been to many City Council meetings. 00:45:26
For closed sessions have followed the meeting and I've never been treated like that standing at the elevator, the sheriff said to 00:45:32
me. 00:45:36
Can I push that button for you so that you can leave? 00:45:39
No, I'm waiting for my husband. 00:45:42
And I believed then, and I believe now. 00:45:45
And he will deny it till the day he dies. But I believe that meeting was about Jake. 00:45:49
And. Jake asked. 00:45:54
If it was about him. 00:45:55
For it to be held in public. 00:45:57
And it wasn't. 00:45:58
And I feel like it probably did not go in accordance. 00:46:00
With the code of conduct that was Plant talked about last night. 00:46:05
I envision, and I'm sorry, but I envision that a modern day car and feathering. 00:46:09
And it makes me sad. I don't know what happened. 00:46:15
But I don't feel it was good and I am just here to say. 00:46:18
I want my voice as a citizen to not be. 00:46:22
And if you silence the man that we voted for? 00:46:26
That's what will happen. The voices of much of this city will be. 00:46:29
And that is not what we want. What we want. 00:46:35
So let's fix this very broken council of the new Utah. Thank you. 00:46:37
My name is Darlene Price and I live in the Villas. 00:46:55
Umm. 00:46:59
I just want to make a comment on last night. 00:47:03
First of all. 00:47:06
Marty, I appreciated your comment about Can't We Get Along? 00:47:08
I think that's what all of us feel. 00:47:13
Like, but you've listened. You have listened, listened to a litany of things that have not. 00:47:15
Set well with the community. 00:47:22
And I think that's. 00:47:25
Our major issue is trust. 00:47:27
And you told us that we you would be. 00:47:29
Transparent. 00:47:33
And I don't think it is. 00:47:35
I think a lot of the things have been done under the table. 00:47:37
And in private meetings. 00:47:41
Umm, but I want you to know that I'm along with that too. I would like to get along. 00:47:43
I would like you to listen to. 00:47:50
The voices that we have. 00:47:52
And I know that may not fit. 00:47:54
With what you believe. 00:47:56
And we listened to. I went home and listened to. 00:47:58
CNN about that council meeting. 00:48:02
And this is easy stuff that we're doing here compared to the yelling and screaming that they do there. 00:48:05
So first of all I want to be able to have back. 00:48:12
My freedom of speech and to be able to comment and. 00:48:15
Something that we believe. I think you took that away from us. 00:48:19
You also took away from us the ability to gather together. 00:48:23
With members of your of your staff, and I'm sorry that you've done that too. 00:48:27
Chip price in Providence. 00:48:42
In the mid 1840s, there was a county auditor who read an article in a newspaper. 00:48:44
That was not. 00:48:51
It was a satire piece that was crafted. 00:48:53
By a woman. 00:48:57
By the name of Rachel. 00:48:59
And she wrote this op-ed about how. 00:49:01
She was going to leave impoverished because of the Democratic blah, blah blah. And it was, it was very insulting to this man. 00:49:04
So he went to the editor of that newspaper, and he demanded to know who it was. 00:49:11
And so he. 00:49:16
He got the name of the person. 00:49:17
And wrote a letter to him. 00:49:20
Wasn't a woman, it was a man who was using an alias. 00:49:22
In that letter. 00:49:25
He demanded a retraction. 00:49:29
That retraction. 00:49:31
Was met with or that that letter was met with another letter? 00:49:32
Saying I'll retract it when you ask nicely. 00:49:36
Then this man, this auditor said my integrity has been. 00:49:40
Defame. My character has been defame. 00:49:46
I want pistols it done. 00:49:48
So a dual is challenged to this Rachel. Rachel replied back. I will accept your dual. 00:49:52
But according to the time and the period. 00:49:59
Duels you couldn't request. 00:50:02
How the duel was to be done? 00:50:04
Rachel replied back. We will duel with sorts. 00:50:07
And there will be a plank between the two of us, and if you step across, you will be immediately shut. 00:50:10
And then went to an island where this was to play out. 00:50:16
This man was tall Rachel. 00:50:19
Tall man. 00:50:21
The auditor knew he was going to be murdered. 00:50:23
He watched this man swing his sword and cleave a branch in half. 00:50:26
And he stepped up to the board. 00:50:31
And the man's wielding the sword, Rachel said to this auditor. 00:50:34
Are you sure you wouldn't rather deliberate with words? 00:50:38
And he accepted. 00:50:42
25 years later. 00:50:44
Rachel. 00:50:48
Who is now this man's boss? 00:50:49
Made him a general. 00:50:51
Over the Union Army. 00:50:53
That man's name was that Rachel's. 00:50:55
Name was Abraham Lincoln. 00:50:58
Politics has and always has been. 00:51:02
A deal of ideas. 00:51:09
You are not supposed to agree, you are supposed to deliberate. 00:51:11
Some of these disagreements hurt feelings. 00:51:15
The impune character they hurt, Your honor. 00:51:18
But there is a way to fix this? 00:51:23
And it is not by censure. It is not by. 00:51:26
Closing down discussion. 00:51:29
It is by. 00:51:31
Opening discussion. 00:51:32
Embracing each other. 00:51:34
This if Abraham Lincoln. 00:51:37
Could go from. 00:51:39
A mortal battle to. 00:51:43
Making a man. 00:51:44
My general. 00:51:46
You guys can do better. 00:51:47
Sherry Kay Miller Holdaway Rd. 00:51:58
So I'm going to start my. 00:52:01
I already started. 00:52:03
Last night in the meeting I had two thoughts and I think that they might apply to what was happening with the code of conduct. 00:52:05
The first thought I had while I was sitting there is sunlight is the best disinfectant, right? Things done in the daylight, things 00:52:12
in the sunlight. 00:52:16
Do better, OK. 00:52:21
Anyway, and the second one I'm going to illustrate with the story from my teenage years. 00:52:22
My husband kind of laughed when I told him I was going to share this, but I am. 00:52:27
So when I was a teenager, my parents were away and they said. 00:52:30
You may not drive the car while we're gone and. 00:52:34
Anyway, I took the car without permission. My oldest brother didn't live in the house. 00:52:38
But he saw me. 00:52:43
And he outed me so when my parents got home. 00:52:45
I got reprimanded, right? 00:52:48
And I was saying. 00:52:51
Dad, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. And my dad said to me, Sherry Kay, are you sorry you got caught? 00:52:52
Or you saw you did it. 00:52:59
And you know what? 00:53:02
I had full intent that I was going to get away with it because they were out of town and my brother didn't live in a house and 00:53:03
blah blah blah. 00:53:06
So that was my first real learning experience about code of conduct. Are we sorry we did it, or are we sorry we got caught? 00:53:09
Umm. The other umm. 00:53:17
Anyway, and then I'm going to add. So two weeks later, I thought they would get tired of driving me to school because I wasn't 00:53:21
driving right? So I said, can I drive? Can I drive you? Don't you trust me? 00:53:27
And my dad said, Sir, OK, trust is earned. 00:53:33
So that's the second. 00:53:36
Part of my thought last night. 00:53:39
Anyway, you know I was mad at my brother when he outed me. 00:53:41
But later in my life I thanked him because that was a real learning experience in my life. 00:53:45
That am I sorry I did it or I sorry I got caught? 00:53:51
Anyway. 00:53:56
My question that I was thinking about last night is what's going to how, how and when? 00:53:58
If there's something that is information that is true that someone else isn't going to like. 00:54:03
Like how and when is that going to be able to be? 00:54:10
Shared without it. Is that going to be called bullying? 00:54:15
Was my brother a bully? 00:54:18
For outing me. 00:54:20
Right. I mean, I think that's part of what needs to be. 00:54:22
Talked about in this code of conduct. 00:54:26
How is truth going to be revealed? 00:54:29
Claudia Larae. 00:54:42
Umm hold the wave Rd. 00:54:45
Sherry Kay reminded me that that was the thought I had. 00:54:47
Last night. Who is the arbitrator of this truth? 00:54:51
Of bullying or not bullying. 00:54:55
Because, umm. 00:54:58
Within the school district, you'll have. 00:55:00
A child who believes they're bullied. 00:55:02
And when you get the parents sitting down together and the kids sitting down with them. 00:55:06
And you discuss everything in the. 00:55:12
The truth is revealed. 00:55:16
Then you may find that the bullying. 00:55:20
We have a lot of catchphrases we use like bullying. Anyway, I just thought. 00:55:23
How? Who's the judge here? 00:55:29
With this code of conduct, excuse me. 00:55:32
I think the code of conduct is really good. I'll have to say I believe in healthy debate. 00:55:36
And having. 00:55:42
A council member. 00:55:44
Who is not a part of things? 00:55:46
I just don't get it, but that's OK. 00:55:49
I'm I just don't get it. 00:55:52
But I feel like we need to have. 00:55:57
Something in this code of conduct that you have. 00:56:01
Somebody who? 00:56:05
Is the arbitrator and with all due respect, Mayor Fulmer, I don't think it should be you or anybody else on the council. 00:56:06
It needs to be an independent arbitrator. 00:56:16
And, umm. 00:56:19
That's all I have to say. 00:56:21
Russell Evans for the Doors. 00:56:32
And I'm sorry to see Bryce. Great to go. 00:56:34
And a few planning commissions with my wife and I was very impressed with him. 00:56:36
We handle things and his vision and. 00:56:41
He's the good person. 00:56:44
Sounds like he's got something else coming up on though, so that's good. 00:56:46
Yeah, I was here last night too. And just one thing I'd like to comment on is a comment was made that. 00:56:51
Jake represents the minority. 00:56:56
And. 00:57:00
I was thinking about that. 00:57:01
And true, on this City Council, he is the minority. 00:57:02
But I'm not sure he represents the minority. 00:57:06
I think there's a lot more people out there. 00:57:10
That want some of these things brought to light that he's bringing up. They want accountability, they want transparency. 00:57:13
They want. 00:57:21
They want money spent wisely. Our taxes went up 20% of property taxes. 00:57:22
20%. 00:57:27
And that's obscene. 00:57:28
And you know, part of it was the city. 00:57:30
A lot of it was Alpine School District. 00:57:32
But. 00:57:35
We want our money spent wisely. 00:57:36
And uh. 00:57:39
And I think that. 00:57:42
Opinion that. 00:57:43
He represents more than just the minority. It was reflected in the vote. 00:57:45
Or he got a. 00:57:49
A substantial. 00:57:51
Lead on the vote on the votes. 00:57:53
And. 00:57:55
So I just. 00:57:57
And uh. 00:57:59
In the We voted. I voted for four people. We had great choices. I chose 4. 00:58:00
So just I wasn't old, Jake. 00:58:05
I think I could have lived before the people. 00:58:07
And but. 00:58:09
I think we need to. 00:58:11
The vote, I mean, to think that there's a lot more people that. 00:58:17
Think like he does. Then maybe, maybe you're giving credit to. 00:58:20
Thank you. 00:58:23
Hi, David Luray, Holloway Rd. 00:58:32
Whistleblowers are never appreciated. 00:58:37
By the people in power. 00:58:40
Because they. 00:58:41
Holding him accountable. 00:58:43
They're pointing out things that are problematic with the things they're doing. 00:58:44
Probably likes a lot better. 00:58:48
And I would suggest to you that you may have a situation here where you have a whistleblower. 00:58:50
And I know you don't like him. 00:58:55
But he brings to the people. 00:58:57
The people you are elected each elected. 00:59:00
Information is important. 00:59:04
You may not agree with it all, that's fine. 00:59:06
Politics was about the different difference of opinion. 00:59:08
And in a debate. 00:59:11
And we hope that that contest of ideas. 00:59:12
Will allow us to be able to come to a better conclusion about things, to discuss things thoroughly. 00:59:15
But it doesn't help to. 00:59:21
To quilt. 00:59:23
Dissent. It doesn't help to quilt commentary. 00:59:25
Because of then. 00:59:29
So we don't find the best solutions. 00:59:30
We don't know how to go forward very well. 00:59:33
So I would I would I would suggest that the. 00:59:36
The comment about speaking along was a good one. 00:59:39
It would help if everyone got along with Jake. 00:59:42
You get along with him too. 00:59:45
And then you want him to along with you. Great. 00:59:47
You get along with him. 00:59:49
Thanks. 00:59:50
Are there any other comments? 00:59:57
Come on up. 01:00:00
We've got 2 trying to come to the microphone at the same time, OK? 01:00:02
I just want to. 01:00:09
Say that I appreciate last night's discussion. 01:00:10
And bringing up. 01:00:14
Starting the discussion on a code of conduct. 01:00:16
For all city officers, not just for the City Council. 01:00:19
But for all the boards and commissions and. 01:00:23
Others who work for the city in one capacity or another. 01:00:26
There seems to be an irony. 01:00:30
That's evident with. 01:00:35
Discussions of. 01:00:37
Ethical standards or a code of conduct? 01:00:40
And it seems sometimes. 01:00:43
Like those who are most in favor of such a thing. 01:00:45
Don't really require one. 01:00:50
And those who protest? 01:00:52
Often do. 01:00:54
And it just seems odd to me, but that's sometimes the way it is. 01:00:56
And I want to thank. 01:01:01
However, the members of the board. 01:01:03
The counselor here. 01:01:05
Those who understand. 01:01:09
That the city isn't broken down into districts. 01:01:11
That all of you. 01:01:15
Represent all the citizens. 01:01:17
Election. 01:01:21
Voting notwithstanding. 01:01:22
You represent all the citizens and I appreciate that. 01:01:25
I also want. 01:01:29
To commend the integrity. 01:01:35
Of those members of the City Council. 01:01:37
Who are willing and have sat down and met. 01:01:40
With their constituents one-on-one who were willing. 01:01:44
To do that. 01:01:48
It's it's important for a constituent to know. 01:01:51
That you're open to them. 01:01:56
And almost all the time. 01:01:59
That I've asked. 01:02:03
To meet with a member of the City Council. 01:02:05
That Member has said yes. 01:02:09
I'm willing to sit down with you one-on-one. 01:02:11
It's not true in all the cases. 01:02:14
But I am. 01:02:16
I want to say thank you to those who have the integrity to do that. 01:02:18
Thank you very much. 01:02:22
Oh, quick note. 01:02:26
The subject of the first discussion this story. 01:02:29
The General Civil War general. 01:02:34
Was forced to resign his Commission. 01:02:36
Jacob Schooley just got a place in Lakefront. Haven't been here too long. 01:02:43
But one thing that I researched when I was looking to move out here, and this is a completely different discussion, completely 01:02:47
different topic. 01:02:50
One thing I researched and I was preparing to move out here. 01:02:53
Was on options for getting Internet and I work from home so it's a pretty big deal to me. 01:02:55
And I found that we have two options. 01:03:01
We got fast home. We've got Xfinity. 01:03:03
Pastel has been around for a while. From what it seems like on the Facebook groups, there's been a lot of issues. 01:03:06
And they've been getting better, but they have had a lot of problems. Xfinity, I don't know if you guys have really dealt with 01:03:10
Comcast and the other services, but they've had, they have a long history of being really predatory, predatory, terrible company. 01:03:16
And of all the options that we could have had as a second option, I'm not really sure why they were the ones picked. 01:03:22
But there are other options of providers that we could have in the city if the city would allow them to move in like Utopia. There 01:03:27
are community owned fiber network that's active in like 20 cities around the area, including Orem. Everyone who everyone who uses 01:03:33
them that I've talked to really enjoys their service because it's a fiber network that's owned by everyone. 01:03:39
Are owned by the city. 01:03:47
And. 01:03:48
You can hook up to it and use it to link to 19 different providers that are all competing with each other for the best prices of 01:03:49
service. 01:03:52
I know that. 01:03:56
I haven't heard too much about discussions between Vineyard and Utopia, but from what I've heard there was a discussion at one 01:03:57
point to possibly bring them in and it was turned down actually. Am I allowed to ask questions or is this just time to comment? 01:04:04
It's time to comment, but why don't you put your questions out there? 01:04:10
I guess my question is, what happened with that? Is there a reason why Utopia didn't come in and why Comcast was chosen as the 01:04:14
alternative? And if there's an option of bringing Utopia or another provider in for better competition and better service? 01:04:20
I do have a question on. 01:04:26
Did you put your e-mail on that sheet over there? 01:04:29
I don't think I put my e-mail, I just put my name. 01:04:31
Could you put your e-mail over there? 01:04:34
Yes. 01:04:36
Thank you, that way we can get back to you. 01:04:37
Awesome, that would be that would be good to know. It's always good to have more competition in a space like that. Thank you. 01:04:39
OK. Any other comments? 01:04:53
If not, I'm going to go ahead and go out of public. 01:04:55
Comment and I'm going to turn the time over for reports. And Jake, I'm going to go ahead and start with you. 01:04:58
Brett, do you care if I just go? 01:05:09
Down the line. 01:05:11
Yeah, I don't have anything this much as I ever. 01:05:13
OK. 01:05:17
Marty. 01:05:18
Yeah. And I wanted to report. 01:05:20
On our school district happenings. 01:05:22
Excuse me? 01:05:25
So as many of you know, we have created an interlocal with Oren Linden. 01:05:27
Pleasant Grove and Vineyard. 01:05:33
We've been meeting with those cities and we have submitted boundary. 01:05:35
A request for boundaries or a certification of the boundaries? 01:05:40
That would include different parts of unincorporated Utah County into three different districts. 01:05:43
And so we are working through those approvals. We have submitted a temporary name which. 01:05:49
Like I said, is temporary. The new school board will decide on a. 01:05:55
Permanent name, but right now we're calling it the 10th in August school district. 01:05:58
There is a website that is being created so that people can go and see the frequently asked questions, just get basic information 01:06:03
as things come up. 01:06:07
We are preparing for a financial study. 01:06:12
And. 01:06:15
Oh, there is one more thing. Oh, just a plug for the school board, so the seats. Oh. 01:06:17
There is a committee. 01:06:24
For each school district. 01:06:25
With the county that will be determining the voting districts, which will determine where the school board members or what areas 01:06:27
they will represent. 01:06:31
And so I hope that you all keep in mind. 01:06:35
If you know someone or if you yourself want to be involved in the community and to help in education. 01:06:38
We are going to be needing someone. 01:06:43
Plus depending on how the borders end up, but hopefully we'll be needing someone. 01:06:46
Specifically that can represent the majority of Vineyard on the new school board. So that election will happen. It's a November 01:06:51
2025. And then another question that's commonly asked is. 01:06:56
The new school district will open in 20 July 2027. 01:07:02
Some of this information to repeat from before. 01:07:06
But then also. 01:07:08
I did actually want to see if. 01:07:10
We wanted to put in a plug for a couple upcoming events for the community cares. 01:07:13
I don't know if we want to invite staff and put you on the spot. I think I saw an Instagram that we have a parenting course. 01:07:18
Oh, OK. 01:07:27
But then I'll let you do it, Eric. 01:07:28
OK. I'll leave that up to Eric's report, but otherwise, I think. 01:07:31
Think, Mayor, can you think of anything that I missed? 01:07:36
In regards to our economic development. 01:07:40
Just that things are progressing in Utah City. 01:07:42
Grocery stores still happening? 01:07:47
Buildings are going up. 01:07:50
It might be fun not to, you know, carefully drive over there, don't get in the construction way. Be safety first. But. 01:07:51
And lots of things are still happening and moving forward, so it's really exciting. 01:07:59
Sarah, do you have anything or any comments? 01:08:05
Well, Daria, you brought up about. 01:08:11
The wildfires in LA. 01:08:14
It just made me think. I've been working with Jenna and others on an emergency. 01:08:15
Preparation plan for Vineyard City. 01:08:20
And it's it's really good and I just want you guys to understand. 01:08:23
There's a lot of things that happen that you're not aware of that you don't see every. 01:08:27
But we're aware of it and we're paying attention to things like that. 01:08:32
And so I wanted you to understand that that's the case. 01:08:35
I also wanted to acknowledge. 01:08:39
I got a lot of texts yesterday, a lot of people assuming. 01:08:41
What they anticipated for the meeting last night. 01:08:45
And for the meeting to. 01:08:48
In response. 01:08:51
I, I said I'm pretty sure it's not going to pass. There's a lot of things that we want to talk about. 01:08:53
And many of the things that you brought up were things that we all agreed on. 01:08:57
I have yet to see an acknowledgement for the mayor. 01:09:04
Putting Jake and. 01:09:07
Brett on a committee to revise it. 01:09:09
And I think. 01:09:12
That would be something that. 01:09:13
We would pay attention to. 01:09:16
Because that was. 01:09:17
Not planned. That was spontaneous. 01:09:19
And that's what was asked for. 01:09:21
And if you guys start recognizing things like that, the fact that there was a World Trade Center. 01:09:23
Not work session but presentation. 01:09:30
Things are happening that you've been asking for. So acknowledgement of the things that are being are happening that you've 01:09:33
acknowledged. 01:09:36
Or ask for. 01:09:40
Would be refreshing. 01:09:42
So that's all. 01:09:44
All right. Thank you. I did want to address a few things that we talked about. Eric, maybe you can cover anything that's leftover 01:09:47
if you want to talk about things. Otherwise, if you didn't get an answer to your question that has something to do with 01:09:53
infrastructure or something that our staff can talk about, he can make sure that our staff gets back to you if you leave your. 01:09:59
Name in your. 01:10:05
E-mail address. 01:10:07
Over there, the Internet one particularly is I think a complex thing and has lots of stuff that we can go over so you can. 01:10:08
You can go ahead and e-mail those people back and maybe we can even put it on the frequently. 01:10:17
Asked questions site or something like that. I think that might be helpful. 01:10:22
I want to make it clear to the public that nobody on this Council is. 01:10:26
Prohibited, stopped, or thwarted from receiving information, attending meetings, or making progress. 01:10:30
And I think a testament to that is. 01:10:37
What we talked about life tonight with the code of conduct as we believe that. 01:10:40
Anybody. 01:10:46
Who is willing to? 01:10:47
Work together to come up with a plan to do well and show the community that we're being transparent and ethical. 01:10:50
We do it annually. 01:10:57
And this is something that we're adding to it. And that's why anybody that is worried about it or has thoughts about it, that's 01:10:59
why I assigned the people that asked to be on a committee to be on a committee because. 01:11:04
We want to make sure that. 01:11:10
Your voices are represented, but that also that we are being held accountable to the things that we need to be doing on City 01:11:12
Council so that we can. 01:11:16
That you can hold us accountable to those things. 01:11:22
One of the things that. 01:11:24
And maybe I won't bring this up, but there were a lot of things mentioned in an early post that said. 01:11:26
We refuse to give assignments. 01:11:32
Umm, we didn't allow people in meetings, but there were a lot of things that happened here that I don't know if you have the full 01:11:35
story on. I'm, I'm sure of it. 01:11:40
That you don't have the full story on one of the things that was mentioned last night. I think I am going to mention it. 01:11:46
Was. 01:11:51
Somebody mentioned my minority voice. 01:11:52
I don't believe that anybody on this Council was saying that. 01:11:55
Mr. Holdaway, Councilmember Holdaway represents the minority. I think he was saying he's a minority voice that nobody should 01:11:59
silence. 01:12:03
And one of the things that they said is, well, when we vote as a majority. 01:12:09
As a representative body. 01:12:13
Do you go out and speak as a representative of the whole community going against a majority vote? And they said if the mayor were 01:12:16
to do something like that, it would be unacceptable. And what we articulated was if you need to go out and say the majority voted 01:12:22
on this. And I disagree with this. 01:12:27
Of course you can do that. You would go and do it if you represented it differently than that where you say. 01:12:34
The people of Vineyard, the city of Vineyard, believed this when it was just voted on by the majority. 01:12:40
There is an important difference with that and specific. 01:12:49
Things were brought up. 01:12:53
For instance, a letter that was sent out about financing and the gravity of the situation that was addressed in that situation and 01:12:55
I think. 01:13:00
And acknowledging those things and understanding that. 01:13:07
There is a difference between. 01:13:10
Saying we need to conduct ourselves in a manner that. 01:13:14
Makes it so when the majority votes on something like getting $10 million that we uphold that. 01:13:19
And even though the minority. 01:13:25
Can speak differently than that. 01:13:27
It is about how you represent yourselves. You would not be OK. 01:13:29
Did that. 01:13:35
And we as a council, each individually want to make sure that we are representing the people according to the vote of the people. 01:13:36
Because each of the people here were elected to represent a constituency. 01:13:44
And we all represent all of you. And so together we have to be held to that standard, and I think that's important. 01:13:49
To acknowledge here. 01:13:55
Umm, I love all of the things that you said. I think sunlight is the best disinfectant. I I agree with that. I think trust is 01:13:58
earned. 01:14:02
And I think how is truth going to be revealed? And we often say it. 01:14:06
And, umm. 01:14:10
Sometimes it's about individual responsibility to go out and verify it. 01:14:12
And to read it. 01:14:16
And. 01:14:18
I think that's what we're all trying to do. 01:14:20
I think when you come to the microphone and you say we want to work together, we do too. 01:14:22
There there is. There is nothing more that we want to do than represent the people of Vineyard. Do it well. 01:14:27
Hold our heads high and make sure that we're serving you and we represent so many people. 01:14:33
Not just the people here today, but all of the people. 01:14:38
And so we all have to take ownership for the things that we've done or that we've said or the things that maybe today you don't 01:14:41
like that I did and tomorrow you will like that I did it. 01:14:46
It is part of this job. 01:14:51
And, umm. 01:14:53
And we do our best. 01:14:55
And I think the people that stand here who put themselves out here to do it will. 01:14:56
Try to do their best. 01:15:01
And. 01:15:03
There will be times that. 01:15:04
The people that you like. 01:15:06
Will be called out for things that are very important to the people that sit. 01:15:08
On the other side of that decision. 01:15:13
And it may not feel comfortable when you hear it, but it still actually has to be said. 01:15:15
Nobody here is stopping that. 01:15:19
Everybody here. 01:15:21
Despite any code of conduct that might go through, we'll never stop disagreeing with each other. It's inherent. 01:15:23
I feel like I disagreed with a bunch of people today on like 10 different phone calls that happened. 01:15:30
And it will continue to happen. I've never sat on a council here in Vineyard where we didn't. 01:15:35
Disagree heartily. 01:15:40
Where we were constantly calling and disagreeing with each other and somehow. 01:15:42
We came to a resolution when we have to come into this meeting because at some point we have to vote on something. 01:15:46
And so he. 01:15:53
Most of the things that go through, somebody is sitting in there saying, gosh, I wish that didn't go through or man, I'm really 01:15:55
happy my little part was added today because the incremental change of what it did for the people that came to me and asked for 01:16:02
something to happen. And I think that's critical. And tonight we're going to discuss one that when it came through. 01:16:09
It didn't go through exactly like everybody wanted it to, and now a couple years later, it's back. 01:16:16
And might actually go through the way those people wanted it to go through the first time. And that's the reality. 01:16:21
And I can tell you, you probably didn't know how I felt about it. 01:16:26
When it happened during that time, because when I sat at the table and when everybody disagreed at the end of it, I knew. 01:16:30
That if I voted for that. 01:16:37
People would get to park where they wanted to. 01:16:40
In some regard. 01:16:43
They would be able to push off people that had been damaging their property in some matter. 01:16:45
Was it perfect? It wasn't perfect. Nothing ever is. I look back at most of my decisions. I'm like, all right, if I could go back 01:16:51
and live in hindsight, what would I do today? And it would be very different. 01:16:56
Because 2020 is perfect. 01:17:02
And hindsight and that will never be the case. And moving forward, leadership will continue to do that forever and you will 01:17:05
continue to come in here. 01:17:09
And you will continue to have to say we still want something different. And when you sit here, you will be confined by the same 01:17:13
laws, you will be held to the same standards, and it will be a higher code of conduct. The people that sit here have 01:17:18
responsibilities that they have to. 01:17:23
Adhere to and Whether or not we put it in the code of conduct or not, they're actually in state code. 01:17:29
So we're adhering to them. We're just putting them on the table before us. We're reading them out loud. 01:17:34
They're already in our Title 3. We're just stating them in a code of conduct and we're saying but why? Why? 01:17:39
Why are we doing this and why are we having a signing where we say this? And it's really just to be held accountable to the 01:17:45
people. I have several people that made a comment to me yesterday that said, man, this happened right after a bad article. It came 01:17:51
about that about you, you know, and the fact of the matter is, listen, I'm willing to sign it. 01:17:57
And that's to tell us something to you. I'm willing to be held accountable to the people of vineyards forever. 01:18:04
Until I stopped serving here, I am willing to be held accountable to you. 01:18:10
I'm willing to meet with you. I'm willing to have you talk to me. 01:18:14
Many of you know that I've stood in the hallway while you've said very hard things to me. 01:18:18
And it's not one person that you elected. You elected many people. 01:18:22
And they came in and they have said hard things to me. 01:18:26
And then they have made choices, and they have. 01:18:28
All sorts of patterns happen. 01:18:32
That allow people to serve their community and it doesn't. 01:18:35
It is just the way that it is. 01:18:38
And to have those people stand before you and be willing to be held accountable, that's incredible. 01:18:42
And one day, maybe all of you will be sitting up here and I will be the person asking for a parking change in my neighborhood 01:18:48
because I'm your neighbor. 01:18:52
And I live here, and that's probably going to happen at some point. I'm going to beg for a trail and I'm going to say, gosh, I 01:18:56
can't believe you put that money for something else. I don't know. You know, who knows how long that takes. 01:19:01
Anyway, I just wanted to say that if your questions were not answered tonight and you would like something especially for the 01:19:06
public, we have a frequently asked questions page that was put together by some of the council by some of our staff. 01:19:12
Go ahead and write it down. 01:19:18
Talk to our city staff and we will get those answers out for you. I'm going to move on to the next item of business. 01:19:20
We have a city manager report. He's going to talk a little bit about the roundtable that occurred. 01:19:27
Where we talked about parking and some of the changes that ever happened and then he's going to give. 01:19:32
Another report. 01:19:38
I imagine that was part of your report. 01:19:40
But I just want to make sure we didn't forget. 01:19:42
So we actually have a second report that will happen on parking specifically, so I'll leave that to. 01:19:46
Cash. All right, cash. I don't want to take away your Thunder. You're giving it to Eric. So let me let me run through just some 01:19:53
key elements of our monthly report. 01:19:58
I would encourage everyone. 01:20:03
Staff Staff has a copy of it. 01:20:04
As does the general public. It's posted on our agenda for tonight. 01:20:07
But there's some really cool things that are happening that I wanted to kind of highlight. 01:20:12
So from events. 01:20:16
A question came up earlier about making sure that we generated enough. 01:20:19
Sponsorships to cover our 911 event. 01:20:23
We wanted to confirm that we've now got $35,000 in sponsorships, so that more than covers the 9/11 event and we'll go towards some 01:20:26
of the other events of the year. 01:20:31
The goal is to. 01:20:36
I think the goal was 40,000. I don't recall what that was written there, but. 01:20:39
I think it's about 40,000 that we're looking that we're hoping for this year. 01:20:42
In parks. 01:20:46
Brian and his team were able to put out. 01:20:48
The opportunity for people to drop off their Christmas trees. 01:20:53
Shortly after Christmas, up until the. 01:20:55
30th and they filled five large trailer pools of trees and were able to bring those over to the dump so that. 01:20:58
Residents didn't have to pay that fee individually. 01:21:06
Which is really helpful. 01:21:09
From the recreation side. 01:21:12
Some huge numbers and really impressive statistics, but a couple that stood out. 01:21:15
UH created Junior Jazz game and practice schedules consisting of approximately 82 teams, 64 coaches, 524 practices. 01:21:21
And 276 games. 01:21:29
So impressive. 01:21:32
They also created a. 01:21:34
Field schedule for 122 projected teams for the 2025 Youth spring soccer season. 01:21:35
They were able to. 01:21:43
Organized a Senior Open forum that we heard a little bit about. 01:21:45
At a previous meeting, a teenager open forum, a skate park open forum, they had 25 attendees at that, which is impressive if you 01:21:49
count the number of people here tonight. 01:21:53
That's some really good participation from our our the teams and Young. 01:21:58
Folks that turned up to that. 01:22:03
Bryce might have been there, and he's right on the line of. 01:22:05
Young and middle but. 01:22:08
But super exciting to have that kind of participation. 01:22:12
From the communications. 01:22:19
The dump passes have gone out, now there's a double. 01:22:21
A double punch on that for the for the full year. 01:22:24
As you might have recalled, we did a single punch pass for the last few months of last year when we decided to add that. 01:22:27
So. 01:22:33
Use it sparingly. Don't save up garbage, but use it sparingly. But it's a nice option that we were able to provide to. 01:22:34
To bring your bigger items over to the transfer station that are nearby. 01:22:41
The library we were able to submit for the application for AmeriCorps subsidy, so we'll have that extra staffer. 01:22:48
To keep the library open a little bit longer and help in the. 01:22:56
The establishment of our library. 01:23:00
Vineyard cares. We do have that. The guiding good choices. 01:23:03
Program that starts on February 1st and that's a parenting class. 01:23:09
From Community development. 01:23:15
One of the highlights with the City Hall architecture. 01:23:18
RFP going out, we received 15 proposals on that. 01:23:22
And uh. 01:23:25
The and the team has been reviewing those. 01:23:26
Those have been ranked and we've initiated the interviews with the top 6. 01:23:30
Applicants for that. 01:23:36
And we expect to have. 01:23:38
A contract for council to look at. 01:23:40
At the end of this month. 01:23:43
We also reported a number of new businesses, so again, check out the. 01:23:45
The report and you can look through those. 01:23:50
We've got a building report in here and and there's. 01:23:56
Chris and his team does a phenomenal job of putting together a very robust report, so I encourage you to look at it. One of the 01:23:59
interesting items that I noticed was that we have. 01:24:04
192 active construction sites and vineyards right now. 01:24:08
And then lastly, I just wanted. 01:24:17
To have Holden, Lieutenant Rockwell. 01:24:19
Provide a quick update on their annual report. 01:24:23
Thank you. Umm. 01:24:29
As you have all, you have that before you. Just a couple highlights there. You'll notice that we did have a slight decrease in 01:24:31
public generated calls. 01:24:34
But as has always been the case, when we when our guys aren't responding on public generated calls, they end up being more 01:24:37
proactive. So our proactive cases went up by over 1000. 01:24:41
Our account calls on the screen, so that was really good to see. 01:24:46
Our case numbers went up. 01:24:49
Traffic stops were up, as were some citations, so please slow down. 01:24:51
The other things that we tracked, one big thing is the response time. You'll notice that that went down our response time to 01:24:57
priority one and two calls. Those are like active calls, alarms, things where we need to get that quickly. 01:25:02
Average for the whole year we were arriving, from the time we got the officer, the deputy got the call till we arrived was 3 01:25:07
minutes and 16 seconds, which is phenomenal. 01:25:12
And we did have a few more of those priority warranty calls versus last year. 01:25:16
If anybody ever has any questions about the crime date or anything like that. 01:25:20
Give me a call. Come see me in my office. I'm happy to discuss it with you. 01:25:24
Thank you. 01:25:27
And that's the report. Thank you. 01:25:32
OK, great. Are there any questions? 01:25:34
No. If not, let's go ahead and move on to our next item, which I believe is the consent agenda. 01:25:39
I just need a motion unless you wanted to take something off. 01:25:46
And discuss it. 01:25:49
OK, I need a motion. 01:25:53
I guess I'll take it. 01:25:58
I moved to approve consent items. 01:26:00
The consent items as presented. 01:26:04
All right, we have a first thing, Marty. Can I get a second? 01:26:07
Second. Second by Sarah. All in favor. 01:26:11
Oh, it's done by resolution. So I'm going to do resolution for. I'm just going to do a roll call, Sarah. 01:26:14
Aye, Marty. 01:26:20
Aye, Brett, Jake. Aye. All right. 01:26:22
That brings us to our business Item 9.1, the parking permit program update. 01:26:27
And resolution, I'm guessing it's both an update and a discussion on a resolution. Is that yes, that is correct. So I'm going to 01:26:35
provide a little update as well as the proposed resolution. 01:26:40
Changes to our parking permit program. 01:26:46
Once this loads here. 01:26:49
There we go. 01:26:59
OK, umm. 01:27:02
So, yeah, I just thought I'd provide a brief background on kind of where we've been with the parking program. We've had three kind 01:27:03
of main resolutions that have kind of guided our. 01:27:07
Policy so far. 01:27:12
As you can see on the screen, they date back over to 2019 more than the parking program was actually first started. And then, you 01:27:13
know, as we've gone on throughout the years, we've learned that we need to make some minor tweaks here and there. 01:27:19
And that has LED us to today where we have. 01:27:25
A few adjustments that we're looking at proposing. 01:27:27
A lot of this comes from we had our parking round table meeting I believe in November. 01:27:31
Where we sat down with the Council and the public and talked about the different. 01:27:35
Challenging parking problem that we have throughout the city. 01:27:39
And we as staff went through those and looked at some. 01:27:42
Changes that could easily be made and implemented this year. 01:27:45
To hopefully solve some problems. We know it's not going to be perfect by any means, but hopefully get us closer to that so. 01:27:49
With that, I have 4 different adjustments or policy changes that we're proposing in this resolution. 01:27:56
And the first one would be a parking permit fee adjustment. 01:28:03
And so currently right now, the city charges $60.00 per month. 01:28:07
Or not per month, per year? 01:28:10
And it's prorated monthly. 01:28:12
For any parking pass, whether it's on 300 W or in the Providence and Springs neighborhoods. 01:28:14
Staff has been looking at ways to reduce that cost to the the residents here. 01:28:20
And then one thing that we looked at with our tone provider is moving to a digital permit and in doing that it really does 01:28:25
eliminate most of the staff time that was being allocated for the parking permits. There still is some that we have to verify 01:28:32
addresses and and go ahead and verify the permit itself. But we are no longer printing permits, we're no longer mailing them or. 01:28:38
You know, and, and honestly, the The Tone Company does a lot of communication as well for us. 01:28:44
And so with that we have proposed to reduce the. 01:28:49
Fees of $15 per calendar year for City Council designated local residential streets. 01:28:53
So that is 4 neighborhoods that have come together and have petitioned the City Council for a parking program such as Providence 01:28:59
or the Springs. 01:29:02
And so that's the going rate at this point or what we're proposing is that $15? 01:29:07
And the reason why there's still some costs, that is the app for the digital permits does have a cost associated with it. 01:29:13
And so this just helps recoup those costs so that it's not a burden, a tax burden on the city. 01:29:20
The City Council designated amenity roads so this would be roads such as 300 W and Weaver Loop Rd. 01:29:25
We are proposing to keep that at 50, at $60.00 and pro rated monthly. 01:29:31
And we believe that it is. 01:29:36
In the best interest to keep it that about $60.00 just because we are limited in how many parking stalls we have available. 01:29:38
And there's a high demand. 01:29:45
The the cost was a lot lower. The demand would be beyond what we can supply. 01:29:47
And so keeping it at that $60.00 helps. 01:29:51
Kind of maintain the supply and demand. 01:29:54
Last year, I believe it wasn't until the end of December that we actually sold all. 01:29:57
82 parking or parking permits that we had for sale. 01:30:01
And this year, we're actually upping that to, I believe about 110. 01:30:04
And that will help keep the street at about 80% occupancy. So there should be some some visitor parking. 01:30:08
Remaining there. 01:30:15
The second item is visitor parking permits, so as the resolutions above. 01:30:17
Or past. It doesn't allow for staff to issue any kind of visitor permits. 01:30:21
So if somebody has some family coming over. 01:30:25
They only have one parking pack. 01:30:27
Parking pass, They have to go to a neighbor, ask for one, whatever maybe. 01:30:29
We are proposing that with these digital permits, it's fairly easy for staff to to approve visitor permits. So we're we're 01:30:33
proposing that 5 is their parking permits per neighborhood in the program. 01:30:38
Are able to receive one of these passes. 01:30:43
The third recommendation we've heard from from some people is that they have some concern about ADA compliant vehicles. 01:30:47
Where they might not be able to have full access to their garage or driveway and they need extra space on the street. 01:30:54
And so we did look into this and are requesting a change to allow for a. 01:31:00
Parking permit at no cost to be issued to residents with permanent ADA compliant vehicles. So this wouldn't be, you know, you get 01:31:06
a temporary tag for a broken ankle or something, but this is somebody who has like a van that was specially built out for a 01:31:11
wheelchair user or something like that. 01:31:15
And then the last one is probably what we heard the most during that parking round table and that would be additional parking 01:31:22
permits for residents. 01:31:26
And so our recommendation is that the homes is the neighborhood of Providence Springs and and future holdaway fields. 01:31:31
For every home there to be able to purchase up to two parking permits. 01:31:38
And the fee we have structured there would be the first permit would be that $15 and the second would be that 45. 01:31:42
Umm, and essentially it would allow them for what they're paying for now, which is $60.00. It would allow them to get 2 passes. 01:31:48
Umm and Justice, a note on that, that that limit would include additional permits issued for ADA compliant vehicles to the maximum 01:31:57
permits one house could get would be two parking passes. 01:32:02
So that's all I have. I'm happy to entertain questions from the council. 01:32:08
After the Avenue parking study came out, how was parking doing in our permit? 01:32:12
Past areas. 01:32:17
Essentially what what they found is that the permit system has been working. Both what has been implemented by the city and the 01:32:19
lake run into way. Is that specifically the area? 01:32:23
You're talking about. 01:32:27
Essentially, we saw driveway utilization increased dramatically, which is what our goal was because there was a lot of driveways 01:32:28
that were not being parked in and that was requiring a heavy demand on the streets. 01:32:33
And so both with our parking pass and lakefront parking pass that showed that. 01:32:39
The permitting system there was working. 01:32:43
And the Avenue was actually very impressed with with the results that we did see over there. 01:32:46
Where did we see any zones like in the Providence area that was struggling? 01:32:51
They didn't know any kind of, you know, any heavy impacted areas within the Providence or or Springs neighborhoods. 01:32:57
OK. I did say that I would open it a little bit to some commentary to the public. 01:33:03
What if we do? Is there anybody that wants to make a comment still? Hold on cash, Can you count how many hands are behind you? 01:33:09
1567. 01:33:17
Seven, do you guys think you could make your comments in like 1 minute each? 01:33:20
For this, all right, you have. You have. 01:33:25
Need more time? 01:33:28
All right, why don't we start start coming up? If you think you can get it done in like a minute, that would be great. But if you 01:33:32
need a little bit of extra time, go ahead and take it if you feel like it's. 01:33:36
Especially if you're wanting to see a change, if you've read through this and you have a solution, or if you're giving just a 01:33:43
brief update about your area. 01:33:47
It would be helpful to do it briefly, so come on. 01:33:52
Daria Evansville is resident. I just have a couple questions. 01:33:58
You have listed subdivisions or excuse me, neighborhoods. 01:34:02
In this resolution. 01:34:08
I'm wondering if. 01:34:10
All neighborhoods will be held compliant to these new parking. 01:34:12
Restrictions because we have like. 01:34:16
The Cottonwoods. 01:34:20
They have Adus. 01:34:22
Are they going to be required? 01:34:23
To have parking permits also. 01:34:25
I want to know if every neighborhood in Vineyard will be, including Utah City be required to. 01:34:28
Adhere to these parking, this parking resolution. Sorry, what this is is it's a program that allows you to kind of say we want 01:34:34
this program in our area, OK, And it allows you to come in as a community and say this is something that's important to us. Can we 01:34:42
go ahead and get this taken care of? So that's how this works. You guys did it with the Villas, with your petition, Providence did 01:34:49
it. You can also come in as a community and talk with our staff and work through this. This just allows. 01:34:57
That to occur. So this isn't going to be forced on neighborhoods, OK. 01:35:04
That's OK. Thank you. 01:35:08
And my next question is. 01:35:10
The Springs neighborhood. 01:35:12
Has more than five homes. 01:35:14
I don't think 5 parking passes will be enough. 01:35:16
For visitors, when it's Thanksgiving or Christmas, Grandma and Grandpa want to come. 01:35:20
There needs to be some type of springs are divided into two different areas. We only manage one St. within springs. Is that right? 01:35:25
I'm pretty sure. 01:35:29
Like a little out. 01:35:34
Well, that's still not enough and I don't actually think that's the way the Organism read. I think what this is saying is there's 01:35:38
they would be able to have. 01:35:42
There's only 5 visitor parking permits, but the digital pass allows you to change what license is on. 01:35:46
I actually was hoping that Cash would elaborate on how the visitor parking passes work because I that's not quite clear to me. 01:35:54
Those are your questions cast. Do you want to come up and explain that? That might be helpful. Yeah. And also I think it'd be 01:35:59
helpful so in like the spring somebody. 01:36:03
That lives on that street would be able to buy 2 parking permits. 01:36:08
And then yeah, have a visitor. Parking works is the. 01:36:12
Towing provider is going to be putting up signs that says that a digital permit is required in this area. 01:36:15
And it'll I'm hoping. I haven't seen the design yet, but it should have a QR code or a website link that people can go to and 01:36:20
it'll. 01:36:23
Download an app on their phone. 01:36:26
They can then go in and put whatever area that they are in, so they would say like the springs and then they put in. 01:36:28
Which? 01:36:33
The the street that they're on in their license plate and then from there. 01:36:35
It would go to either University Towing or US for approval. 01:36:38
And if they've before that five limit, then that's all we can hand out. 01:36:42
We're open to different numbers, whatever the council feels is best, but. 01:36:46
That's essentially how it works is that people can just log on to the app they put in their information. 01:36:50
And then it's talk about how you can transfer. Yeah, so in the app, you're just gonna create an account and say you have 6 01:36:55
vehicles at your house. You can put all six vehicles that you have on that permit. 01:37:00
But then just whenever whatever cars parked on the street, just make sure that is the one that is selected. 01:37:05
As you know, the permitted vehicle. 01:37:10
So it's similar, like if you have a hang tag right now, you need to move it to the car that's out on the street and not in the 01:37:13
garage. You physically do that instead. You can do it from your phone. 01:37:17
OK. All right. 01:37:21
Russell loving the villas. 01:37:26
Paragraph D4. 01:37:28
Question on that one it talks about. 01:37:31
Implementing overnight parking restrictions by communities. 01:37:33
Says 75% of support of the property owners. 01:37:37
Determined by an online survey. 01:37:40
On the city's website. 01:37:42
My question is that 75% of the respondents or 75% of the property owners? 01:37:44
Because that's a pretty tall order to get 75% of the property owners. 01:37:50
On a survey. 01:37:54
That's my question, to start the program in the neighborhood. 01:37:55
Yes, it's by, it's by property owners. That's how we've started each of the programs that you're experiencing with the spring 01:37:59
Providence, the villas, all. 01:38:03
Of the areas that have done it, OK, just seems like surveys. 01:38:07
Don't get good response. 01:38:11
Well, it takes a little bit of lobbying from what I've seen, like usually I think Providence is a good example that there were 01:38:13
people that took initiative and wanted it to happen and so they went to their community and got those signatures. You answered my 01:38:17
question. Thank you. 01:38:22
OK. 01:38:28
I just had. 01:38:34
Some confusion on one where we could find that proposal that you. 01:38:36
My name is Stephanie Burke. I'm from Providence. 01:38:41
Where we could find that proposal that you just had pulled up? 01:38:44
It's on the agenda. 01:38:48
You can find it on the. 01:38:51
On the website the original. 01:38:54
It's on the online agenda. 01:38:57
The online agenda. You can find it online. 01:39:00
OK, one of the easy ways to access that is if you're on Facebook, on our social media account. 01:39:03
They usually notice it and then you can click on the link where the notice to the meeting is and it will pull up the agenda. OK, 01:39:09
do we have access to that before the meeting so we can review it? 01:39:14
I wanted clarification on. 01:39:20
You talked about saving money S the first permit is. 01:39:22
$15.00 but if we want to, we're back up to 60. 01:39:25
So I don't really see the cost savings there. 01:39:29
And then I have. 01:39:32
Concerns about timing on selecting the car that's going to be out on the street. What happens if that? 01:39:33
It's technology. Technology doesn't work great when we need it to. Am I going to get booted on accident that I'm going to pay for 01:39:39
that? 01:39:42
I have questions and concerns. I've talked to the. 01:39:46
Immediate neighbors. 01:39:49
Next to me they also have questions and concerns so I would like to. 01:39:51
Just ask the Council to perform this decision so that we could talk about it. I. 01:39:56
Didn't hear anything about the roundtable in November. 01:40:02
And I would just like the opportunity for us to. 01:40:06
Present our concerns and maybe just make sure we all agree, our majority agree. Do you have any concerns? So there were a couple 01:40:09
that you mentioned, you mentioned the cost savings. 01:40:14
I think the cost savings is going from 60 down to 15 for one car. So that would take you if you were only if you only need one 01:40:19
pass right now, you'd be in a reduced price to $15. 01:40:24
So instead of paying 60 for both cars for two passes, this digital pass allows you to break that fee up for 15 for one and 45 for 01:40:30
another. So that's a 2 for $60.00, which is a significant difference. It is a difference, but it isn't allowed to have two before 01:40:36
this. That's right. 01:40:42
Now you will be. 01:40:48
But the booted on accident. That's a really good question. 01:40:49
Like what do we do and how do we deal with those technicalities? 01:40:52
I'm going to mark that down. And then are there additional things that you're concerned about that you could bring to the table 01:40:56
tonight, not specifically, but just that we maybe not decide on this tonight? 01:41:01
OK, just because you think there's people that maybe you don't know about it and want to add additional input into it. Yeah, and 01:41:06
they want clarification. The digital part makes people nervous. I mean, I can go out there and I can know that that pass is in my 01:41:12
window and I'm not going to get booted or towed digitally. 01:41:17
I don't know. OK, so. 01:41:22
The. 01:41:24
For the man hours that it takes for a. 01:41:27
Printed past and how we have to process it? 01:41:31
Is an increased cost. 01:41:33
I guess staff I haven't. 01:41:37
I don't know if I reviewed with you or if the Council reviewed with you of what it looks like, if that. 01:41:39
Higher cost is still available while other people want to use a lower cost of the digital pass. 01:41:46
Is that a possibility? 01:41:51
It's not a possibility to. 01:41:54
Do you both? 01:41:56
OK. Is that just for the contract? Yeah. Will you can I comment so so one of one of the men in Lakefront. 01:41:59
When we were, when we were having our discussion in November. 01:42:07
His daughter. 01:42:11
Parked on the street. 01:42:12
And he had his physical pass. 01:42:14
With him in Hawaii. 01:42:16
And so she got booted and he didn't have a way to give her the physical pass. 01:42:18
So this alleviates a lot of those problems of having the physical past. 01:42:23
So that's and if you want to do, if you want to do a cottage meeting where we can explain it. 01:42:28
The other part that. 01:42:33
That we thought was awesome is that once you have to in order to get. 01:42:36
Approved You have to upload your driver's license. 01:42:42
That has your physical address, right? 01:42:45
And once you get approved, you can remove that so they don't keep any of your personal information. 01:42:48
So. 01:42:55
So a lot of the complaints from when I was on the campaign trail is that only one pass was allowed. 01:42:58
And it was $60.00. So now you have two passes. The first one is 15 and the second one will be 45. 01:43:04
So it. 01:43:11
Seems to me like this has answered a lot of the frustrations and problems that you guys have have had. 01:43:12
Umm, maybe you don't understand all of the benefits that we've we've seen a lot. 01:43:21
Of benefits and. 01:43:27
I'm happy to talk to any any of you about it. 01:43:29
But moving to this. 01:43:33
Will help. 01:43:35
Will help alleviate a lot of problems. So I like that you mentioned the cottage meeting or maybe a town hall or something. My 01:43:37
question for you is and staff, you can answer this question for us. 01:43:42
I know the passes that are printed are being held until the end of January. That's right. 01:43:48
Right. Umm. 01:43:53
Ones that were printed are good until the end of January, so if we were to extend this vote until the next meeting. 01:43:58
We still have to the end of January. 01:44:05
I mean, there's some kind of time. 01:44:08
Cells in between now and then, which is the expectation. 01:44:12
So that everything can get geared up with the digital passes. 01:44:15
OK, I guess I need to understand a little bit better with more clarity. 01:44:19
The program that eliminates the. 01:44:24
Paper parking pass. 01:44:28
And allows for the digital, but eliminates the option to do both like explain it. I'm going to have you stand to the side for a 01:44:30
second if you have more questions and have no, I just I will admit I don't understand the price increase from 15 to 45 for the 01:44:35
second one and I. 01:44:40
My main concern was just a little bit more time. 01:44:45
To get some of the residents that couldn't be here. 01:44:48
That have concerns. 01:44:51
OK, come on. 01:44:53
Yeah. So I actually, I talked to our towing company today about this and they just said that they just don't have that. 01:44:55
Ability to do this because they essentially right now when they drive around they have a vehicle that they have all their boots 01:45:02
and they are. 01:45:05
Physically checking every vehicle for the same tag. 01:45:08
And now what they'll do is they'll be able to just drive by and scan and these license plates will flag if they have an account or 01:45:11
not. 01:45:14
And they said that they would not be able to. I mean, if they. 01:45:17
If we went with this hybrid approach of having like a hang tag for some and. 01:45:21
You know, digital for others that they'd have to verify, double check every single one and they said they do not have the 01:45:25
capability to do that right now. 01:45:28
I can go into further conversations with them to see if there's, you know, a more creative approach that we can look at doing. 01:45:31
But it would be more complex on staffing because then we would still be printing and issuing. 01:45:37
Those permits and it'd be two separate systems. We have our digital system, digital permit system and then we have our current 01:45:42
city inspect system. And it would be really hard because then we'd also have to cross. 01:45:47
You know, each one makes sure that we're not sending out a physical one to somebody that already has a digital one, vice versa. So 01:45:53
I mean, there'd be some complexities to doing this, this type of hybrid approach. 01:45:57
OK. 01:46:02
So and I will say we did probably 2 weeks ago, we did go out and flyer both the Springs and Providence neighborhoods, let them 01:46:03
know that we were going to this new. 01:46:07
System and we have also emailed all the current account holders as well those that have a pass and just said. 01:46:13
We're going to be moving to this new system. Your current pass is valid until the end of the month. 01:46:20
And to reach out if you have any questions and we haven't had any. 01:46:25
Or any real big questions yet most people are saying please let me know when you can sign up and get moving on with this. But I'd 01:46:28
be happy to to reach out to the towing agency as well. And, and they've been more than willing to to talk with anybody that has 01:46:33
questions. So if you guys didn't want to set something up. 01:46:38
I could invite them out and they could kind of explain the system and hopefully put some people's minds at ease. 01:46:43
Of why we believe this is wired. 01:46:49
Correct. The current property owners, when did you fly in? I want to say that was two weeks ago. And then when did we hold our 01:46:53
roundtable? What was that? When did we hold our November? 01:46:58
Then November. All right, all right. 01:47:03
I mean, Stephanie, could you come back up just for a second? I apologize. 01:47:06
I just had a quick question about how you heard about this meeting. 01:47:11
The council meeting. 01:47:15
The website or the Facebook? 01:47:17
Oh, no, about that. This was going to be on the agenda. Do you just follow our council meetings? Yeah. Oh yeah. And I was here 01:47:19
last night, so I thought. 01:47:23
OK. 01:47:27
So that's how you heard about it. OK. Thank you, Stephanie. 01:47:28
All right. Next question. 01:47:31
Or comment. 01:47:34
Karen Cornelius. 01:47:41
Have to say I'm so grateful for where I live right now when I hear these kinds of things. 01:47:43
But I as a citizen who stepped through that. 01:47:48
Round table with the white board and the citizens. 01:47:52
Being able to give all of their ideas and their inputs. 01:47:55
And I sat through that entire thing. 01:48:00
Solution. 01:48:04
That staff has come up with or council and whoever's come up with it was not even anything was that was presented that night. 01:48:05
So I can see why citizens. 01:48:13
Would be confused because that wasn't something that was talked about that night. That wasn't something that was suggested or 01:48:16
presented. 01:48:19
And I continue. 01:48:23
To be worried. 01:48:25
Terribly about parking. 01:48:27
In Utah City. 01:48:29
And I know that they came and talked to us in November, December. 01:48:31
Regarding that. 01:48:35
But I'm not convinced for them to tell me that seven years is how long they get to decide if there's a problem. 01:48:37
Who knows who will own those apartments in seven years? 01:48:43
And will they say? 01:48:46
Well, you didn't pass that information on to us when we bought it. 01:48:48
We have got to slow down. 01:48:52
And think about what we're doing here. 01:48:54
It's just really scary the 4th building of rentals only has just laid. 01:48:57
Well, they've actually put up the 1st 4 walls this last week. 01:49:04
We need to stop this. We need to know that we have an answer. 01:49:09
We can't just keep filling the empty land. 01:49:13
And assume that we're all going to be OK because it's not going to be OK. Thank you. 01:49:17
Can I ask you a question? Yes, I. 01:49:21
We already have development agreements when you say slow it down. 01:49:25
What do you like legally? I feel like we have some obligations. We can't just not approve it. But everybody that lives in 01:49:29
Lakefront tells me that you had. 01:49:33
That you had the same kind of agreement with the builders point of order. 01:49:38
On this one. 01:49:43
And bring it back to what's on the table and I'm gonna ask cash was digital passes on our roundtable, I believe it was. 01:49:44
And if it was presented in a way that they had seven years, it wouldn't even know and we might have talked about it a little bit. 01:49:52
I'll have to go back and listen to that meeting. 01:49:56
But what happens is we actually have a program where after a certain amount of residence units are built, we go ahead and assess 01:50:01
parking. 01:50:05
So who is we? 01:50:10
That's going to be a third party. 01:50:12
That comes in and assesses it. 01:50:14
And looks at what the city needs and what the developer is doing and then brings us together and we're going to say this is how 01:50:16
much parking is needed for this area so that this kind of issue doesn't happen. 01:50:22
So I think I'll go back and listen and see what they said and make sure that. 01:50:28
If they did say something like that, that we set the record straight in this meeting because you know, you know too what kind of 01:50:32
parking Huntsman needs. 01:50:36
If you've been to Salt Lake. 01:50:41
And So what are we doing here? You know, that's that's just my question and concern. Yeah, you know, we put everything into this 01:50:43
property that we love here. 01:50:47
And. 01:50:51
It's just very frightening. So thanks for listening to me. Yeah, absolutely. I think we're going to keep moving ahead and work on 01:50:52
these solutions, and this is definitely one of the solutions that came to the table. 01:50:58
Umm, more comments? 01:51:04
Who else has a comment because I'm going to close it in a minute. OK, we've got one. 01:51:07
3/3. 01:51:12
2-3 all right after three, we're going to close it up. 01:51:14
Come on up. 01:51:18
Fast and Jacob Schooley again just moved into lakefront a couple weeks ago. 01:51:19
So I moved here from Provo and anyone who's lived in Provo as a student especially knows that there are serious issues with 01:51:23
parking out there. 01:51:26
And that tow companies are pretty brutal. 01:51:29
And there's been issues with switching to digital passes over there where? 01:51:31
One that I can remember is like is an apartment complex that's switched to digital passes and then the app was having issues and 01:51:36
when the app has when the app has issues. 01:51:40
There's really nothing that students can do or that anyone who's visiting can do about it. 01:51:44
And their car gets towed and. 01:51:48
The towing company's attitude is basically oh, take us to court, sue us. Oh, wait, you're a broke college student, Too bad. What 01:51:50
are you gonna do? 01:51:53
So I think that like we don't have any kind of provision that's like a field or anything like that for when the app malfunctions 01:51:57
that the app has to do. They say they do, but there's really nothing like they just, they kind of just tell you to kick rocks. 01:52:02
Interesting. And that's been the experience among me and most of my student friends who have had issues and gotten toed and gotten 01:52:08
booted with dealing with stuff like that. And so as a software developer. 01:52:13
Like I build apps, I know that they can have problems. I know that they're not perfect. 01:52:19
And I know that at some point, even if the app works most of the time, there's gonna be sometimes where it doesn't. There's gonna 01:52:24
be times where the website goes down, there's gonna be times where there's too many people using edit or something like that. 01:52:29
There could even be a time where like Fasttail goes out again and Internet service goes out and your phone service isn't great in 01:52:35
a lot of parts. 01:52:38
Vineyard and so people literally can't get on the app to change What Car is parked, but they have to because someone's visiting or 01:52:41
something like that. And then there isn't that could end up in a boot or toe. 01:52:46
So, umm. 01:52:50
What I'm wondering is if there's something in the contract that puts the liability on. Maybe not for the Internet going out issue 01:52:52
because that would not be their fault, but like if the app has a problem, push the liability on the towing company. 01:52:57
For and makes it so that they either can't tow or has to return the yeah, pause, applause, cause a false, do something that if 01:53:03
it's their fault like that, something like that should be some type of provision we don't have to worry about. 01:53:09
Possibly, you know, getting told to kick rocks. Yeah, that's interesting. 01:53:15
Phone has an ability to record your screen, not just take screenshots, but record a video of your screen. And so like what I can 01:53:20
imagine, what I can imagine happening is I get on the app, it doesn't work. It doesn't load for some reason. I can go take a video 01:53:25
of my screen proving that I'm opening the app. I'm trying to switch the plate and it's just not working. 01:53:29
I should be able to send that to the to the towing company and they should give me back my car for free. Yeah, that's great. 01:53:35
And so something like that, I think should be in the contract if we're going to be switching to digital passes. That's a good 01:53:39
comment. Thank you. 01:53:42
OK. And your name is Jacob? 01:53:46
Yeah. 01:53:49
Crystal Price. 01:53:52
I have all three resolutions that affect parking and Providence. 01:53:54
And each one says whereas the city does not want to make decisions about parking on public streets without involving the residents 01:53:58
that live in the area. 01:54:01
So throwing a post on social media is not involving all the citizens that live in the area. You could easily fire each one of our 01:54:05
doors. You could very easily send every single one of us an e-mail. 01:54:11
And she's actually very smart. She's not stupid. So she doesn't understand. That's probably because it hasn't been explained to 01:54:16
her. Crystal, quick question, did you, are you saying you did not get a flyer when they went out? No, I didn't for the round table 01:54:21
that you have. 01:54:26
None of us, no, not for the roundtable for this notice, yes, we did OK, but that goes back to this. You guys decided digital 01:54:31
parking pass without. 01:54:36
None of our input. 01:54:41
That is not OK. It is in every single resolution. So you need to table this. 01:54:42
And let every single person in Providence know, hey, we want to do this to you guys. What do you think? What are your thoughts 01:54:47
about the digital class? I don't know. It hasn't been explained to me. 01:54:52
In depth. 01:54:57
Is not enough. 01:54:58
Thank you for your comment. 01:55:00
All right. Was there another one? Yeah, Come on up. 01:55:02
A lot of council person Camerons comments to the earlier. 01:55:09
I want to say thank you for. 01:55:12
For the work on doing this, parking has been done a long haul. 01:55:14
And then you come up to the program here and I was gonna like it. We all know that. 01:55:17
But I appreciate the effort of it. 01:55:20
And thank you for all the other good things too. And you're right, you're absolutely right. 01:55:22
The workstations, not quite workstation or presentations tonight were very good. 01:55:27
Appreciated that. 01:55:30
I still stand by that we need to get along. 01:55:32
Both ways. Thanks. 01:55:34
OK. Any other comments? 01:55:38
All right, Council, it looks like there's a few things that just come up to my attention, I think. 01:55:41
I don't know if you guys have had any discussions, staff or council with. 01:55:48
What happens if technology goes out? 01:55:53
So yeah, I can somehow answer that. So, so because this is public streets, we we do have some abilities to to work with our own 01:55:56
company. 01:55:59
Because we have contracted with one specific company on this. 01:56:03
On that, if there is a technological issue. 01:56:06
That can be proven. 01:56:09
They can, you know, and these are some ideas that we could reach out to, you know, what she's telling about. 01:56:11
But that they could contact either the city if we're open during business hours, or the Sheriff's Office and say, hey, I'm trying 01:56:17
to park here. 01:56:20
I can't switch my license. 01:56:22
And at that point we can call. 01:56:24
The the tone company and tell them, hey, we're having issues with that. You guys shouldn't enforce tonight. 01:56:26
And and even if they didn't force and they did put a boot on. 01:56:31
And it was a mistake, you know, if that wasn't working and they can prove it. 01:56:34
There is some ways that University tone does have the ability to to remove that charge. 01:56:38
You know, and it will take some work on our end to to work that out with the university telling them exactly what that, you know, 01:56:43
agreement looks like it might be a modification to the current contract that we do have with them. 01:56:47
But it's the same thing, you know, if people have a physical pass and it falls. 01:56:52
You know. 01:56:56
Out of luck, you know, and there's times where because the the losses of the past has to be hanging if it fell and it's on your 01:56:57
your. 01:57:01
You know below your gas pedal you get towed or booted and you know that's just the way life is. It's not great. I live in here too 01:57:04
and I deal with the film problem. My car was actually towed like 3 weeks ago by the same company because I parked in one wrong 01:57:10
area. I have a color pass and I parked in different color paths so I'm well aware of the issues. 01:57:16
Of these physical masses and that there are potential issues with with going to digital past, but I do I do believe that would be 01:57:21
a benefit to to all these communities. 01:57:25
With all of the agreements that are going in right now, can we press it in two weeks and still I mean it would be, it would be a 01:57:29
bit tight to do that. 01:57:34
Just because we do want to try to get these permits, you know, out to the public as soon as possible so that way they. 01:57:40
You know, we don't, we don't want it to come down to. 01:57:47
You know, it's now February 1st and now we're enforcing and we give you one day to come into compliance. We could reach out to the 01:57:49
Tone company to see if the current passes could be valid, you know, for another. 01:57:53
Two weeks after that or something like that. 01:57:58
That is doable I think. What I don't want to see is this. 01:58:00
We have. 01:58:05
I was going to take in a very conservative and moderate approach with how we've. 01:58:06
Put in these ordinances and said, OK, let's test it out. It's been incremental. I think it's been wise, but. 01:58:13
Umm, but I don't want to do. 01:58:18
Is suddenly put in an agreement. 01:58:21
That we having a lot of problems with where we have to reopen it when we're wanting to test and see how it goes. 01:58:23
I know that it seems inefficient, but I almost feel like if we could just delay it and do it right. 01:58:31
Especially with this renegotiation or just to make sure that we do have some kind of opportunity to make sure that things are 01:58:39
happening properly with the digital test. 01:58:43
And I will add to that real quick. I was when I talked to the Tone company about this, they said I think that they currently have 01:58:48
60,000 registered users. So it is a very. 01:58:52
You know, prolific program where where you know, it's not some small time company that they have one app developer working on 01:58:56
this. It's a pretty massive operation. Absolutely. And they might even have. 01:59:00
I mean, the app might even have numbers on how many times they go out and correct. It might be nominal. And that's all important, 01:59:05
I think to the discussion. 01:59:10
But if it's not a big deal then the council feels OK with it and staff feels like it's manageable and we can do it. 01:59:14
There's always an opportunity to open up the discussion and fix it, but if we can. 01:59:21
Slow it and make sure that we're kind of facing it right now head on. I don't see that there's a problem with you guys feel like 01:59:26
that. Would it be helpful for the the Tone Company to come in and explain the program a little bit more in depth? 01:59:31
Sure. I think if you guys get all of the information for me, if you get all of the information and we feel like we're meeting all 01:59:38
of these requirements the discussion that we had tonight and if. 01:59:43
You know we can. 01:59:48
Everybody was fired and emailed. So we can even put out like a Facebook notice that says, hey, we're still talking online, you 01:59:50
guys can spread it to your neighborhoods. 01:59:54
I think that if there's two weeks in between and people don't have a lot of questions, we'll answer the questions that we're here 02:00:01
tonight and then. 02:00:04
We'll move forward with a decision. 02:00:07
That's my request unless unless there's a I'm happy to do a cottage meeting if you guys want to arrange it in one of your homes. 02:00:11
And invite all of the people that are concerned. I'm I'm happy to come. Cash would probably come with me. That would be great. So 02:00:17
for the public, we have people willing to meet. We have staff that can answer questions and then. 02:00:23
Cash even offered the towing company can come visit us at the towing company, not me. 02:00:28
I'm I'm happy to meet with whoever on this. Would it be better if we can do it here so that it's not someone's home and we can 02:00:35
have a? 02:00:38
And um. 02:00:43
Have it be a public meeting. Like we had such a great positive problem solving session that culture. 02:00:45
Is a good listening session and you can start it with teaching about the app and then open discussion or what people think. Our 02:00:51
time is kind of a essence right next Tuesday, so we would need to have another special session. 02:00:58
So you can get here's a group of people that want to come to a special session. Here's what I'm going to recommend actually. 02:01:05
Because of staff time. 02:01:13
And because of Council obligations and other meetings that we have to attend to. 02:01:15
I don't mind if we find the time to facilitate something in the building because I think to your point, we've got several 02:01:20
different. 02:01:24
Neighborhoods. So Jake, the solution to have it here might be really good because then each of those different areas can come and 02:01:29
we could designate maybe. 02:01:35
Somebody to be here from each of the experts or any council that can attend it doesn't have other obligations, can be here. 02:01:40
What do you think about Zoom? And then what we could do is anytime we do a meeting, there has to be somebody at the anchor. I 02:01:48
would still have to have the obligation to be here. I have other things. So I love the idea of you guys being able to be here and 02:01:54
our staff being able to answer those questions. And I don't want to delay it. 02:01:59
Since prime is part of this discussion. 02:02:05
So let's go ahead and figure out something, maybe Sarah and Cash, if you guys could coordinate that with Eric. 02:02:08
Sure. OK, Hey, you're cool. Happy to do that. 02:02:15
And if everybody is OK with it and we can delay it, then I just need a motion to continue this to our next meeting. 02:02:17
Who wants to say something? 02:02:25
Chip, you wanna, you gotta come to the microphone. 02:02:28
Sorry, I apologize if I missed you. 02:02:30
Chip Price, Providence. 02:02:33
Two questions. 1 is. 02:02:35
Could we change the verbiage in this so that just each pass is $15? 02:02:38
And the second question is? 02:02:44
Did I understand that there's a $5 provision for visitors? 02:02:46
And if so, how does? 02:02:51
Workout, OK, that's a good question. Cash coming up and explain that isn't that staff report? Yeah. So with the app there is like 02:02:54
an account creation process that does have a fee associated to it. 02:03:00
I will get with the tone company to verify that but. 02:03:06
We believe that $5 would cover the cost to the city because essentially the Tone Company is going to send us to the bill for all 02:03:10
these accounts that have to get created. And we want to make sure that that our costs are being covered with that. And so I'll 02:03:15
talk with them just to see what that exact fee is and see if there's a way that we could reduce that, I think. 02:03:21
I won't be able to be. 02:03:27
Meeting next week, but. 02:03:29
I think it would be really great to explain, like there's some details that I don't understand yet. 02:03:30
Specifically like. 02:03:36
If we have. 02:03:38
If I currently have a past I'm paying for my 2 passes let's say, can I still put a visitor pass on my account for grandmother came 02:03:40
in? 02:03:44
Absolutely. 02:03:48
Yeah. 02:03:51
I'll articulate that cost an additional $5 because the accounts already set up. Yeah, it should be I, I'll. 02:03:53
Get in contact with the phone company on this. 02:04:00
OK, that's an interesting thing. Yeah, it would be really great. 02:04:04
At least one cost. Yeah, Yeah, totally agree. 02:04:11
OK, I have a. 02:04:13
I would love to. 02:04:19
Umm fix this problem? 02:04:23
I speak many languages and one of those languages is Vineyard Politico, right? 02:04:25
And I believe that. 02:04:33
Good people on both sides. 02:04:36
And I think that. 02:04:38
You have to get the HOA leadership. 02:04:42
To buy into it. 02:04:45
You know I've spoken. 02:04:47
Many of them, I know they're not here today and they've spoken to me about how they don't like it and I know they're not coming to 02:04:49
the table anymore. Are you talking about a 300 W area? Yeah, well. 02:04:54
That Providence and Springs wouldn't wouldn't have the HOA. Honestly, I need to write down which HOA is a little bit. 02:05:00
There's too many of which ones, right? But. 02:05:06
I would love to sit down and be a part of the solution and see the language. I think that's the key thing is is like. 02:05:12
And I ran on this in terms of. 02:05:18
Just recognizing them as allies and understanding that you know their role. 02:05:20
Umm. In. 02:05:27
In being the voice because. 02:05:29
If you get them on board. 02:05:31
They have an ample voice to be able to amplify because the transition. 02:05:34
Is hard the second we transition. 02:05:39
It's tough from paper and you're just going to have people angry because of that, so. 02:05:42
We have to have the 83 leadership to recognize ample time to. 02:05:47
Echo like magnify that call. 02:05:53
And then #3. 02:05:56
I think that. 02:06:00
Having that roundtable and really getting the feeling of if they're bought in. 02:06:02
You know that group that's there? 02:06:08
Then I think you move forward. 02:06:10
If not, then you spend time getting it right until it is and. 02:06:12
You know. 02:06:17
Can I say something? Yeah, please. So. 02:06:19
It's kind of an interesting dynamic being up here. 02:06:22
I'm a business owner. I've run my own business for 15 years. 02:06:25
People tell me their problems. 02:06:29
And I do my very very best to fix their problem. 02:06:30
Right, that's my job I've done it for. 02:06:34
Cost 20 years, 15 has been all on me. 02:06:36
And I've told you this before, I'm a one man dad. I do. 02:06:40
I do everything. 02:06:44
It's a very interesting dynamic because. 02:06:46
When? 02:06:49
I was on a campaign trail. 02:06:50
I heard all of these problems and from the day I got elected. 02:06:52
I tried really hard. 02:06:56
And worked really hard to try to solve the problems that I heard. 02:06:58
So now me and Cash. Cash takes his son and he walks the streets at night sometimes. 02:07:02
To make sure that that we have the information that we need. 02:07:07
Right, so so now we find a way. 02:07:11
To solve the problem, I heard we need another past. I heard we want a cheaper path. 02:07:14
So we find a way to solve the problem that's really effective and really efficient. 02:07:18
And now all of a sudden. 02:07:23
There's complaining. 02:07:25
I'm so sorry, I'm a business owner. 02:07:27
I have a hard time comprehending. Please solve my problem. 02:07:29
Wait, I'm angry because you're solving my problem. 02:07:34
I don't want you to solve my problem. I want to be angry because you're trying to solve my problem. 02:07:37
I'm sorry, I can't, I can't comprehend. 02:07:42
Where, where we're at? 02:07:45
No, no, actually, we're not going to have it back and forth, but I will say this. 02:07:48
Jake, one of the comments that you did make that I know I'm in the middle of talking, you have to wait, please. 02:07:52
One of the things that I think you mentioned that was interesting to me is that after we did a roundtable and said we were going 02:07:58
to come together, you said the HO is no longer engaging. 02:08:02
I don't think I understand that. 02:08:06
Because we were saying let's all come together and that. 02:08:09
That roundtable. 02:08:12
That special session that we did. 02:08:14
Was for the purpose that you're talking about of having people come to the table. We all allowed everything to be put out there on 02:08:16
paper and to say we're going to come back to it. And even now what we're saying is we hear you. 02:08:23
We hear that the digital class might be an issue. 02:08:30
So we're going to take the time. 02:08:33
Then we're going to hold a meeting and if you want to invite the HOA back to the table if for some reason. 02:08:35
They truly have decided not to engage after. 02:08:42
I think in good faith. 02:08:46
The city of Vineyard has come to the table and said, hey, let's have this roundtable discuss and let's all get in the room. We we 02:08:47
want to get along. We want to make this happen. If they have somehow decided that through this process they don't want to engage, 02:08:53
at some point we have to let them. 02:08:58
We have to let them be and so. 02:09:04
We I think the solution tonight. 02:09:06
Is uh. 02:09:10
We are going to extend the time. Thank you for making that possible. We're going to go back and take all of the commentary that 02:09:11
came here tonight and we're even going to say anybody else that wants to come out. 02:09:17
Easily, if you want to engage, we're going to arrange a meeting. You have the ability to sell up to that meeting and come to the 02:09:23
table and tell us what needs to change and if you have ideas, bring them. 02:09:28
This council is so open to it and they want to fix it and they they're dedicated to parking in a new way. 02:09:33
And so let's do. 02:09:40
A parking discussion, and we're going to have it this next week. I'm going to ask for a motion to continue this and I'm going to 02:09:43
end and close this discussion. I'm going to end and close this discussion because it's not fruitful. I'm going to end and close 02:09:50
the discussion, Jake. I'm going to end it. I'm sorry for the for the love of the community, for the goodness of collaboration. 02:09:56
I'm going to end it and then you guys can continue it and then we can do this again in two weeks. 02:10:04
And I promise you, you can do it again in two weeks. 02:10:09
Please give me a motion to. 02:10:12
To and no, I can just do it. 02:10:13
Right. No, I need a motion to continue it. 02:10:15
To the next agenda. 02:10:19
Yes, please. 02:10:24
If I move to continue this to the next meeting, which is the 29th of January. 02:10:26
Which will also be a special session due to scheduling changes. 02:10:32
We are going to do it next week, not the 29th, the town hall, but we are going to do this. 02:10:37
At our next Council meeting, this resolution. 02:10:42
OK, so you would say? 02:10:45
So moved. Great, that is. 02:10:48
Our first Sarah has confirmed that we're going to continue it to the 29th of January. 02:10:51
There's going to be a town hall. Now I need a second. 02:10:57
2nd, thank you, Brett. And now I'm going to ask if there's anybody that disagrees with the continuance. 02:11:02
Known all right, I need all in favor. 02:11:10
Aye, aye. Anybody opposed? 02:11:13
For opposed or in favor. 02:11:16
Aye. 02:11:18
OK, all in favor. Excellent. Umm. 02:11:21
When you look at the agenda and make sure that I'm on target. 02:11:24
All right, our meeting is adjourned. There's nobody that wanted a closed session. 02:11:29
No. OK. Thank you for coming. Have a good night. 02:11:33