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Council special session. It's January 29th, 2025 and the time is 7:21. 00:00:00
We'll go ahead and start with the most exciting and riveting part of our whole night. 00:00:07
Which is our audit report. 00:00:11
And Spencer hence he will come up. He's a CPA from Gilbert and Stewart. 00:00:14
It's exciting to see you back. 00:00:19
And I said your name right this time because I asked you before you did. I appreciate that. I've heard it a lot of different ways, 00:00:20
so appreciate you doing that right? 00:00:24
Yeah, like like you mentioned, it's good to be back. 00:00:29
This marked my 10th year of doing this audit. So I've seen the growth, I've been a part of it and it's been, it's been a lot of 00:00:32
fun, so. 00:00:36
I first want to say thank you to the staff and everybody that. 00:00:40
Works here and for the good work that they do in there. 00:00:45
Way that they were able to help us get through this. 00:00:48
Audits are never fun. 00:00:50
Obviously they're required. 00:00:52
So we make it as painless as possible. So. 00:00:53
Like you mentioned, I'm the CPA that's. 00:00:57
A partner at Gilbert and Stewart here in Provo. Where? 00:01:00
Third party. 00:01:03
Auditor and we come in and we. 00:01:05
Do the audit that is required so. 00:01:07
I know I dropped off the financial statements maybe a month or so ago. I don't know if you have those in front of you or not. 00:01:11
I'll be honest with you, I'm not going to. 00:01:17
Dive into them too much. 00:01:18
Might help bring the. 00:01:23
Tension down a little bit to get into it and bore people out, but I won't do that. 00:01:24
I'll just kind of go over what we do as auditors and kind of a little bit of insight and some of the things that we do. 00:01:29
So we really do focus on three things and those three things are presented in three different reports or letters in that audit 00:01:36
packet. 00:01:40
We focused on the financial statements if they're materially correct. 00:01:44
Internal controls, if they're effective. 00:01:47
And then some Utah State legal audit compliance items, so. 00:01:49
If you jump to that. 00:01:54
Audit report just there on page. 00:01:55
1. 00:01:58
This is the main audit report. 00:02:00
That we issue and this is on. 00:02:03
Giving an opinion on whether we feel that. 00:02:05
Financial statements are materially correct. You can see there just there on the second, on the second paragraph. 00:02:08
Says. In our opinion, the financial statements referred to above present fairly in all material or specs or respective financial 00:02:14
position of. 00:02:18
And then it's of Vineyard City, so. 00:02:22
That sounds pretty boring, but that's exactly what you want to hear as a city. 00:02:25
And that's what's considered your unmodified opinion or your clean opinion, so. 00:02:29
Which means. 00:02:33
In the course of doing our audit, we didn't come across anything that caused us to believe there was a material weakness so. 00:02:34
Some of the ways that. 00:02:41
Or how we were able to get to that conclusion. 00:02:42
We're reviewing the trial balance, ensuring that everything is. 00:02:46
Clerically accurate. 00:02:49
We're doing confirmations, cash confirmations, property tax, sales tax. 00:02:51
B&C Roads. 00:02:55
All sorts of confirmations, make sure everything's right. 00:02:56
We're reviewing invoices. We're sampling disbursements at the beginning of the audit. 00:03:00
Capital assets, accounts payable, accrued payable, anything you can think of. 00:03:04
We were calculating the balances and we're also doing analytical reviews, so. 00:03:08
Once we go through that big, long process, we're able to get to that opinion. 00:03:12
Which again, is that clean opinion, which is what you want to hear. 00:03:16
I won't dive into a lot of the statements. There's a lot of information in there. I know that. 00:03:19
Christy is really good. She understands things there if you have questions. She also has a way to get ahold of me if you have 00:03:25
anything. 00:03:27
Very specific about that. 00:03:30
The next thing I want to jump to. 00:03:33
Is kind of the second item that we really focus on a lot and. 00:03:35
That's to test whether internal controls are effective. 00:03:39
We really need to spend time testing these to help us gain. 00:03:45
The ability to give that opinion on the materiality of the financial statements. 00:03:49
I do need to say we do not offer an opinion on the internal controls. That's an important part of this, but we do have to look at 00:03:54
them. 00:03:56
We're looking at three main things. 00:03:59
How are they designed, how are they implemented and are they working effectively? 00:04:02
We've kind of performed the following. We review policies and procedures. We do interviews, walkthroughs and questionnaires. 00:04:07
This year I know we really did focus hard on cash receipts, cash dispersants and payrolls. 00:04:14
So we checked the internal controls on each of those. 00:04:19
Umm, if we are to find large areas in the city. 00:04:23
In which there was number controls or controls that were never implemented. 00:04:26
Where I've been totally ignored, then we would bring that to your attention and that would be considered a material weakness and 00:04:30
internal controls. 00:04:33
And we found none of those. 00:04:37
So that's good. 00:04:38
The other part is if we when we're looking at controls. 00:04:39
Those that are designed and implemented but are not working effectively. 00:04:43
Then we would bring those to your attention as well and those would be considered a significant deficiency. There's a little bit 00:04:47
difference, but. 00:04:50
Either way, we didn't find either of those, and that's good. 00:04:52
Again, we don't offer an opinion on the internal controls as a whole over the city because there are too many of them and it's 00:04:56
outside the scope of what we do. 00:05:00
But. 00:05:04
In the within the scope of us issuing an opinion on the financial statements, we didn't find anything that constituted a weakness 00:05:05
or deficiency, so. 00:05:09
The last thing on that last report there? 00:05:13
Is the state compliance? 00:05:16
There's a in the middle there. You'll see this is on page 60. Sorry, it's clear in the back. 00:05:19
You'll see a section there, kind of a list of the different areas that we looked at. 00:05:24
The items that we're supposed to check and do are handed down to us by the state auditors office and we go through each of those 00:05:29
compliance. 00:05:33
And we look at those different areas. 00:05:37
Some of them are on a three-year cycle but the majority of them are we look at every single year because they are important and 00:05:39
they matter so. 00:05:42
But as we work through each of those compliance guides. 00:05:45
We aren't able to find any non compliance items either. 00:05:49
So that really is a tribute to your staff and you as a council. 00:05:52
And what you have implemented and worked through. 00:05:57
And yeah, everything seems to be working great, and that's a really good thing, so. 00:06:00
I won't. Like I said, I won't dive into everything else, but is there any questions on any of that? 00:06:06
Any questions? 00:06:10
No, but I have a comment. 00:06:14
Not for you, just generally I can wait till. 00:06:15
Well, just thank you and thank you to staff this. I know this is such a big process that you guys go through so. 00:06:19
It's exciting to see, yeah. And we were able to get it done much earlier than. 00:06:25
Previous years when we're just going to keep working through that just because it gets busier for everybody at the end of the 00:06:30
year. So we were able to do that and again. 00:06:33
Is a huge tribute to Christie and. 00:06:37
I know she stepped into a pretty tricky position. 00:06:39
With the turnover and she. 00:06:42
Handled it great, yeah. So she's been amazing, yeah. 00:06:44
Thank you. 00:06:48
Thank you. You bet. 00:06:48
You had a comment, Jake. 00:06:50
Well, he had a comment. 00:06:53
Just about the overall process and the words we use. 00:06:57
I understand what an audit is and speaking with the state auditor and working with him a lot. 00:07:03
And I think on Facebook, there's a lot of times citizens will throw out the word illegal or the difference between illegal or 00:07:08
corrupt or best practices. 00:07:12
And. 00:07:17
In my line of work for government procurement, I always look at. 00:07:18
What was the process in which? 00:07:22
You know, government is always set up to not trust anybody. 00:07:26
I don't trust you. You don't trust it's actually good. 00:07:30
Like that's what it was set up for, right? 00:07:32
And so when I look at an entire process from its totality, I look at the process and the word corrupt. 00:07:34
I, you know, can and should be used for broken or dysfunctional processes. 00:07:41
In this context, and I wrote this out because Eric asked me about like, what do you mean by this? 00:07:45
In our meetings and I said a corrupt process isn't necessarily. 00:07:50
Referring to a moral wrongdoing. 00:07:54
But rather something that is spoiled rotten or perverted in a way that undermines the intended function or the integrity of that 00:07:56
government process. 00:08:00
So for example. 00:08:04
A corrupt process can describe a system that has become so inefficient or dysfunctional and biased to a point that it no longer 00:08:06
serves the. 00:08:10
Intended purpose. 00:08:15
For example, like our City Council meeting, it's. 00:08:16
To we do a notice to say hey. 00:08:19
We're doing this. 00:08:23
We make it publicly noticed. 00:08:25
We then hold that meeting and then it's disclosed. 00:08:27
And if the process is corrupted in such a way that. 00:08:31
It's distorted where the mechanism that was supposed to ensure fairness. 00:08:36
Or efficiency or transparency to the end of the day. 00:08:40
They leave and they go. We don't know we're in Europe. 00:08:43
Or we don't know. 00:08:47
This is happening. 00:08:48
That is the word that I use when I say corrupt because I want the 3rd grade level citizen. 00:08:50
To be able to. 00:08:56
Read a notice or to be able to attend a meeting. 00:08:58
And go. I understand. 00:09:01
So therefore all. 00:09:03
All citizens can understand that process, and then they can then therefore hold me. 00:09:06
Accountable. So if my words have. 00:09:11
Like, oh, this is corrupt and therefore someone is taking money to the jail, you know, this or that. 00:09:14
My process and I think we had this during the budgetary process, which is. 00:09:19
If we stay so high level in the budget. 00:09:23
Where it's. 00:09:26
Miscellaneous and there's really large sums. It doesn't give me the availability and when you go through and do an audit. 00:09:27
And that is in miscellaneous. 00:09:34
They will pass the audit. 00:09:36
Or, umm. 00:09:38
Or whatnot because that. 00:09:39
That is a miscellaneous spend and it wouldn't ever come up as illegal or anything. 00:09:40
But as a process of transparency or the what we're trying to get to. 00:09:45
I would say and I try to look for ways in which. 00:09:49
We can look at that process and say, hey, let's. 00:09:53
Let's make sure everyone understands exactly what's going on, so. 00:09:55
That's just my comment. 00:09:58
How I think a good procurement or spending process is because. 00:10:01
It's definitely not illegal. 00:10:05
But it's trying to. 00:10:07
Make it so citizens know. 00:10:09
And can understand it. 00:10:12
And have that visibility. 00:10:14
And I just want to strive to do as best as we can. Can I just mention something really quick? You brought up miscellaneous. 00:10:15
And I just wanted to remind you that when we were in the budget season. 00:10:22
I asked Christy to go through the miscellaneous and anything over a certain dollar amount she could breakdown. 00:10:25
And she did. 00:10:30
So I just wanted to. 00:10:31
Remind you of that? 00:10:33
And I will say to you as part of the audit, there's no like. 00:10:34
Miscellaneous. 00:10:38
We we compare. 00:10:39
Trial balance. Account groupings. Account classifications. 00:10:41
And there really is no. 00:10:45
Miscellaneous. It's usually categorized as something else, right? And it's also tied to your budget, so. 00:10:46
To say that auditors just. 00:10:52
Take miscellaneous and we pass it. No, no, I'm not saying you, I'm saying. 00:10:54
In the audit it doesn't but. 00:10:57
If it fits within those banks. 00:10:59
But when the previous year we went and did a budget and it's just travel or? 00:11:02
Economic development or whatever. 00:11:07
It's very difficult for us to see that, oh, this is in San Diego or this is where we're at. 00:11:08
It'll it'll pass with flying colors because. 00:11:14
The City Council came through and voted through, voted it through. 00:11:17
And as long as we don't go over that threshold. 00:11:21
You know that threshold of what it is. 00:11:24
But that's the bare minimum of what? 00:11:28
We want, I mean what I want as a government, which is when we do a public notice, it's. 00:11:31
We're doing an ambassadorship or we're doing this and this is the total dollar amount. 00:11:36
Come and talk about the merits of what that is. 00:11:40
Even though the legality is, we probably don't have to use those words. 00:11:44
We don't have. We can be very vague in it and keep things very high level. I think it would establish trust. 00:11:48
To do everything we can to look at the process and say. 00:11:54
Does this. 00:11:57
Allow for a citizen when voting or prior to voting on to be able to understand what's going on. I'm gonna, I'm gonna. So anyway, 00:11:59
that's what I just wanted to clarify. 00:12:04
You're looking at legality on this process, which is important. I'm gonna just clarify. 00:12:08
I think this is a separate comment where he's just trying to articulate the difference between what you're doing and what his 00:12:13
goals are. So. 00:12:17
I'm going to call for a motion of approval. 00:12:21
Or however you guys feel about the audit, can I get a motion? The motion will be to accept the to accept the audit. 00:12:25
Forgive me. 00:12:31
Except the other I moved to accept the. 00:12:32
Financial audit as presented. Thank you. I have a first by Marty. Can I get a second? 00:12:35
Second. Second by Sarah. All in favor. 00:12:40
Aye, excellent. Thank you so much for coming. Great job. Thank you team. 00:12:43
All right, we're going to go ahead and hear from EDC Utah. 00:12:47
We're so excited to have you guys here. 00:12:50
OK. 00:12:53
We have with us our CEO and President, Scott Cuthbertson. 00:12:55
I've almost got your name wrong, but. 00:12:59
Like a little bit of a tongue twister. 00:13:02
And Greg Bisping and Greg, I was looking at what you do. Do you have a new title this year? 00:13:03
Yeah. 00:13:10
Of Investor relations, OK. I wanted to make sure that I didn't say the community one. 00:13:13
I was like, I feel like you have gotten a few titles this year so of investor relations. 00:13:17
Perfect. 00:13:23
And you guys, I'm going to go ahead and let you guys introduce to the community what you specialize in and what you do and our 00:13:24
partnership and we're just really excited to have you here today. 00:13:28
Could you clarify just for the public what EDC stands for? 00:13:33
Sure. That's the Economic Development Corporation of Utah. Thank you. 00:13:37
And thank you, Mayor, for the introduction. Council members, we appreciate the opportunity to be here and present to you. 00:13:42
We know you have a lot on the agenda, so we'll try to be concise. 00:13:48
And happy to answer questions as we go along or at the end. 00:13:51
EDC, Utah. 00:13:55
What we do is. 00:13:56
Create opportunity economic opportunity in the state of Utah primarily through. 00:13:57
Facilitating job creation. We're at private nonprofit. 00:14:04
We've been around for nearly 40 years. We're supported by cities, counties and private sector members, about 200 organizations in 00:14:08
total. 00:14:13
Vineyard has been a member with us since 2017. 00:14:19
And we? 00:14:23
Have this mission of. 00:14:24
Advancing economic prosperity. How we do that? 00:14:26
We do that through primarily 3. 00:14:28
Different ways, different services. 00:14:31
Our core competency is. 00:14:33
Helping to recruit. 00:14:35
Businesses to the state helping companies that are in Utah expand. 00:14:37
Create new jobs we facilitate. 00:14:42
The site selection process we do business Case analysis provide research to those companies and to economic developers, local. 00:14:45
Local stakeholders. 00:14:53
And then we basically. 00:14:54
Sort of shepherd them through the states incentives process if they're going for incentives. 00:14:56
We have an in house research team. 00:15:00
And we do a lot of training and have events that help. 00:15:02
To kind of foster. 00:15:06
Economic development. We give trainings. 00:15:08
Virtually and. 00:15:11
In other formats. So that's what we do in a nutshell. 00:15:13
Interesting statistic for every dollar that's invested in the EDC. 00:15:18
Equates to about $3800 in economic. 00:15:22
Opportunity in the state and that comes through direct. 00:15:26
Indirect and induced jobs and the revenues that come from those. 00:15:29
Some of our supporters are. 00:15:34
Board members, you're familiar with some of these companies, great Utah County companies, but also companies. 00:15:36
Throughout the entire state, we're a statewide economic development organization. 00:15:43
And plenty of city and county. 00:15:49
Members supporting us as well. I want to give you just a quick overview of what we accomplished. 00:15:53
Last year. 00:15:59
And in. 00:16:01
Our process of recruiting businesses, we have at any given time about 100 companies that were actively. 00:16:02
Working with you to expand or to come to Utah. 00:16:08
Primarily, we're seeing a lot of manufacturing opportunities given what's happened in the economy over the. 00:16:11
Past three or four years. 00:16:16
But we work across all sectors, so life science companies advanced. 00:16:17
Manufacturing, fin tech, aerospace and defense life science companies. 00:16:21
And a lot of energy companies lately as well. 00:16:26
We do proactive outreach, but we also handle a lot of inbound. 00:16:28
Request to come into the state we work hand in glove with the governor's office of economic opportunity there a. 00:16:33
A member of ours. 00:16:39
And we track. 00:16:41
Our performance through job creation. 00:16:43
Through capital investment that's spent in the state or announced. 00:16:45
Through project wins and then through square footage. 00:16:49
Absorbed a real estate and last year. 00:16:51
We were involved with about. 00:16:54
8800 jobs that were that were created. 00:16:56
We had about 30 wins and notably 9 / 9 billion dollars in CapEx. 00:17:00
Capital expenditure was announced. 00:17:06
A couple of years now that we've seen. 00:17:09
Just tremendous amount of capital expenditure and so that comes through utilities the. 00:17:11
Road construction, facility development, all these things that help to. 00:17:16
Create a great business environment. 00:17:21
These are some of the companies that we worked with last year. 00:17:23
Again, across industries and sectors. 00:17:26
And we have investor engagement and strategy program which. 00:17:30
Greg helps to lead. 00:17:35
He's been busy rolling out a new model because we recognize the economic development in the state has has. 00:17:36
Has really changed significantly over the past five to 10 years. It used to be. 00:17:42
Utah wanted just raw job growth. Bring the jobs in. 00:17:46
As we've grown, we see, you know, a pressure or a tension between quality of life and. 00:17:50
And job creation. 00:17:54
Through infrastructure, traffic, etc. All things that you know about very well as. 00:17:56
The fastest growing micropolitan in the country as I've read. 00:18:01
So we want to be more intentional about how we do business and the companies that we're bringing in. So that's part of. 00:18:05
Sort of. 00:18:11
Mission and coming in a couple years ago and taking over was. 00:18:13
Let's be thoughtful. Let's be intentional. 00:18:16
Let's provide research and help help the decision makers make the right informed decisions. We don't. 00:18:18
Put our finger on the scale of who comes into the state or where they go. 00:18:25
How we're sort of a neutral party in that way, and it's up to the communities to decide who they want to come in. 00:18:29
And so we just helped to facilitate it and we provide. 00:18:35
Research on that. There's an example of. 00:18:38
Some of the research we do, we do a lot of community. 00:18:40
Profile and assessment work where we'll. 00:18:43
Helped a community understand what their strengths and weaknesses are with the economic data show about their their area. 00:18:46
We're also really actively involved now with retail. 00:18:53
Companies that that's not an incentivized. 00:18:57
Industry by the state, but it is obviously key to creating job revenue, so we're becoming more active in that space. 00:19:00
Part of what we do and part of our. 00:19:06
Sort of a package that you get as a member with EDC Utah. 00:19:09
Is access to. 00:19:12
A retail software program. 00:19:14
At a discounted rate. 00:19:16
And that oftentimes covers the cost of the membership with us. 00:19:18
But there's a lot more that's involved with it. 00:19:21
The growth journey. 00:19:26
Wanted to share a few data points and I'll go quickly through this given you all have lived this experience, but Utah as a whole 00:19:27
is one of the fastest growing states in the country. 00:19:32
We've seen a lot of. 00:19:36
Net and migration For the first time in decades, the number of. 00:19:38
The increase in population has been more from. 00:19:43
People moving into the state than natural births. 00:19:47
And that's starting to track the national trend a little bit more. 00:19:50
We're forecast to double our population by 2065. We're still the youngest state. 00:19:55
In the country at average of 32 years. 00:19:59
Versus the national? 00:20:02
Average of 39. 00:20:03
We have great job growth. Unemployment is low. 00:20:05
Labor force participation is high, and notably we have. 00:20:10
One of the most diverse economies in the country, so. 00:20:13
All in all, Utah is in a situation where. 00:20:17
We simply are going to continue to grow because it's a great place for people to live, work, play, do business. 00:20:20
So it's in our view a matter of shaping that growth. 00:20:26
Rather than looking at. 00:20:30
Sort of stopping it because it inevitably is going to happen and we try to help inform. 00:20:31
Stakeholders on the impacts of growth and help to meet their goals by attracting the right type of companies to their communities. 00:20:37
This was just a. 00:20:45
Interesting sort of meme that we saw recently. You all know about NIMBY's, but now that's the banana environment of the. 00:20:47
Build absolutely nothing, anywhere near anything. 00:20:54
Crowd, which I understand nobody wants traffic congestion and the issues that come with growth. 00:20:56
But at the same time. 00:21:01
We don't want to pull back from what's really helped us become the best economy in the country. We want to do it more 00:21:03
thoughtfully. 00:21:06
And there's some things that we're doing, as I mentioned, being more thoughtful, but also. 00:21:10
Looking at. 00:21:14
Offering services that meet every community where they are. It's not just a. 00:21:15
One-size-fits-all approach. 00:21:19
It's a built out community. 00:21:21
Or if it's an emergent. 00:21:23
Community, you want different things. 00:21:25
So what you get with investment in East Utah is what you want from it. 00:21:27
I mentioned you've been a member with us since 2017. 00:21:31
Membership for Vineyard is $3200 a year. 00:21:35
We have. 00:21:39
Model that works based on population and based on the offering that. 00:21:40
That you're interested in. 00:21:44
So you know. 00:21:45
To give you a sense of where your peers are. 00:21:47
We have some communities that are investing over $100,000. 00:21:50
And then? 00:21:54
Kind of the lowest number is 1000 for our really rural small. 00:21:55
Communities. 00:21:58
So it's we think very reasonably priced our pricing structure. 00:22:00
Is consistent. It's a formula. So there's there is no overpaying, it's all consistent. No community pays. 00:22:04
Much more or less, it's a. It's a model that you get to choose. 00:22:12
But you're priced fairly and transparently. 00:22:16
We do a lot with grant support. That's another. 00:22:19
Area that we're getting and we're super involved with, we have a tool that helps to. 00:22:22
Identify the right grants for a community, what they're interested in. 00:22:26
And how they want to grow and what they need support with. 00:22:30
And we're all about. 00:22:33
Showing more value for membership. 00:22:34
That's been a focus of mine for a couple years. 00:22:37
It's not just you pay in and don't know what you get or you just pay because it's good for everybody, but you see the value that 00:22:40
that your money, where it's going and what you're getting for it. So. 00:22:46
That was a pretty rapid fire. 00:22:52
Preview of what we do there. So I'd love to take any questions that you have. 00:22:55
Yeah, Council, do you have any questions? 00:22:59
We love working with you, it's been really great. 00:23:05
And we got to meet with Greg just recently and talk about some of our priorities and we'll be setting up meetings with our 00:23:08
council. 00:23:11
This is Marty. She sits on our economic development, so you guys will get to know her. We have kind of a newer council, so I don't 00:23:15
know if you've gotten to meet everybody here. Brett actually just joined us in November. 00:23:20
So it's a new start for us, but we're really excited, so. 00:23:26
And I guess we've got a couple events coming up. Maybe you want to talk about ICSC. 00:23:30
Yeah. 00:23:36
Yeah. So ICSE is a major, probably the most popular retail conference in the world that's held annually in Las Vegas. 00:23:37
We have. 00:23:47
17 or 18 on average communities that come down and. 00:23:48
They're looking at making connections with retail companies. We have a booth down there that we pay for that. 00:23:53
Is part of what the membership goes to. 00:23:58
We help to create community profiles for communities that are interested in joining us, so we're helping you. 00:24:01
Sell your community. 00:24:06
It's two or three day event. 00:24:08
Three day event, so we're down there. We hosted dinner as well the help the economic development community from Utah get together. 00:24:11
So it's a great opportunity to make connections. 00:24:17
As I mentioned with our retail program and software, we're able to help communities kind of prep in advance before going down 00:24:19
there and and look at targets with them and. 00:24:23
Facilitate introductions so. 00:24:28
That's one event that comes up, another one that will be. 00:24:30
Holding on February 13th. 00:24:33
Is an Energy Innovations in Utah symposium. 00:24:35
The University of Utah. 00:24:38
Bringing in the Attorney General is going to talk about the regulatory environment in Utah for energy. 00:24:40
And we've got a great panel of innovative. 00:24:45
Alternative energy companies doing business right now in Utah, from geothermal to hydrogen to nuclear. 00:24:49
And wind and solar. 00:24:55
And we're facilitating discussion. 00:24:56
I have 100 folks there and you all are welcome to join if you can make it. 00:24:58
That's one, and then we have another. 00:25:01
Economic exchange where we're. 00:25:03
Sharing best practices. 00:25:05
Any going on a fact finding tour with our peers in South Carolina Who? 00:25:07
Do manufacturing better than any. 00:25:11
Any state in the country and we're going to learn some things from them. 00:25:13
Number of other events as well, but we're always. 00:25:16
Wanting to facilitate economic opportunity. 00:25:19
Yeah, we're really grateful on the corporate recruitment alone has been incredible, but just the strategy that you're talking 00:25:21
about has been really beneficial to the community. 00:25:25
One of the things that we've been talking about as a council is the same that everybody is how do we get more base load power to 00:25:29
our communities because that's what drives the economy and that's what creates quality of life. And so finding that balance that 00:25:35
you talked about, it's huge. So we will definitely take advantage of those strategy meetings. 00:25:40
And then? 00:25:46
I guess we'll. 00:25:48
Stay connected on the research and the corporate recruitment and. 00:25:49
You can reach out to us whenever and let us know what's coming up and council, if you don't have any other questions. I have 00:25:53
questions. Oh, yeah. OK, go ahead. Jake. What's your relationship with 47G? 00:25:58
Did you guys just merge or no? SO47G is separate. So there are to kind of help maybe frame the landscape. So you have our office 00:26:04
which is working across industries, that statewide organization that does recruitment. 00:26:11
47 G is more of a peer to. 00:26:19
IO, Utah, the Utah Manufacturers Association, Aerospace Aerospace. So they focus on aerospace and defense and it's more of a. 00:26:22
Kind of an advocacy group for for that sector. We do work with them. 00:26:29
If there's a lead that we. 00:26:34
Want to bring in an expert on aerospace policy? We would bring them into part of the recruitment process but really distinct in 00:26:36
our missions. 00:26:39
Who's your survey methodologist now that's been doing your stuff? You still have somebody on staff? What were their names? 00:26:43
Michael, Director Research. That's what I thought. 00:26:47
Been with us about 10 years and. 00:26:51
He actually so. 00:26:53
Answer your question on 47 G We did do a research project for them. You may have seen their recent profiles. So that was our team 00:26:55
that did that on their behalf. 00:26:58
That's what I thought. 00:27:04
I knew Michael. 00:27:05
Thank you. Great. Thanks so much for coming. 00:27:07
Yeah, happy to come. Thank you. Appreciate the time and. 00:27:09
I look forward to continuing working with you. Awesome. 00:27:12
Thanks so much, Scott. Thanks, Greg. 00:27:14
All right, we will go ahead and move on to our next item. 00:27:17
Let's see. 00:27:21
We've got our property rights training. 00:27:22
With our head attorney Jordan Cullimore from our Property Rights Ombudsman. 00:27:25
Hello. 00:27:30
Hello. 00:27:31
Okay, sorry. 00:27:37
Pull this up here, hopefully it goes smoothly. 00:27:38
It is white and blinking. 00:28:01
Did anything pop up in the body? 00:28:29
Right when you plugged it in. 00:28:30
There we go. 00:28:36
All right. 00:28:44
Thanks for having me. 00:28:46
Mary, do you have to take issue with something you said? This will actually be, I think it might, the most riveting part of our 00:28:48
meeting. 00:28:52
All right. 00:28:58
So yeah, my name is Jordan Collamore. I am the lead attorney in the. 00:28:59
Property Rights Ombudsman's office. 00:29:03
Umm. 00:29:07
OK, thanks for having me SO. 00:29:14
Kind of my intent today is to help you guys know what our office is, what we do. We're kind of we're a resource. 00:29:17
To local governments. 00:29:22
And helping them to understand property rights issues. 00:29:24
Primarily in the areas of land use and eminent domain. 00:29:28
So helping you understand that and then. 00:29:32
However much time you want to take. 00:29:34
I don't know like 30 minutes are we thinking or? 00:29:36
Anyway. 00:29:38
However much time you want to take as far as QA, right? 00:29:39
So the presentation I have really isn't that long and you guys can decide how long you want this to. 00:29:42
That's why this is so. 00:29:46
Right. You guys are in charge. 00:29:48
So here's my information. 00:29:50
Here's our phone number. There's three attorneys in the office. I have a slide about. 00:29:52
What is an ombudsman, right? Everyone always asked that question so. 00:29:57
Are funded by the government were housed in the Department of Commerce. 00:30:01
And we help resolve disputes that property owners have with the government right? 00:30:05
We were created back in 1997. We're independent, we're neutral, we don't represent anyone. We act in the role of a mediator. 00:30:10
Sometimes an arbitrator. 00:30:16
And then just a facilitator in a lot of. 00:30:18
Situations so. 00:30:21
Here's kind of the four primary areas that we deal in. 00:30:23
As it relates to eminent domains, so when the government needs private property for a public use. 00:30:28
Like a road or some sort of public building. 00:30:33
The property owner. 00:30:36
Always receives. 00:30:38
Information about our office from the condemning entity, whether that's a city. 00:30:41
Or UDOT does a lot of condemning right? 00:30:45
Umm, they have to provide notice to the property owner about our office. 00:30:49
Property owner can call us up, ask questions. 00:30:53
We can mediate the dispute, we can get the property owner an additional appraisal. 00:30:56
If they feel like what the government is offering is not reflecting fair market value. 00:31:00
And that's something that they don't have to pay for. 00:31:06
To provide an additional data point, right? 00:31:09
I can try, my computer is so huge. 00:31:14
Here we go. 00:31:18
OK. 00:31:19
And then on the land use side so. 00:31:22
We kind of have two roles with the land use side. We do a lot of educating like this, right? We go around to towns. 00:31:25
We present a larger cities. We present to midsize cities like Vineyard. 00:31:32
We present to smaller cities. I think my my favorite presentation was in. 00:31:36
Tory town. 00:31:41
There was three of us there and one of the commissioners gave me mushrooms afterwards. 00:31:42
That she had harvested that day, but my wife didn't let me eat. 00:31:47
But yeah, we go all over, we understand that each of you have different issues that you're dealing with every community. 00:31:52
So I actually grew up in Linden City. 00:31:57
You guys have grown a little bit since I was living in London City. 00:32:00
I remember coming down to the Marina and there was pretty much a house and a cow in Geneva, right? 00:32:04
My grandpa, he worked at Geneva growing up. 00:32:09
So yeah, have. 00:32:12
Close ties to this area. 00:32:14
But yeah, so we go all over Utah, we provide education about how to make as it relates to property rights and land use. 00:32:17
What we like to say is. 00:32:24
Good land use decisions or legal land use decisions, right? 00:32:26
And so we try to help people understand and apply the law appropriately. 00:32:29
We can provide advisory opinions so if there's a dispute between a developer. 00:32:34
Or a property owner or a resident and. 00:32:38
The local government over how a land use issue should be decided, A land use application or something like that. 00:32:41
Then one or the other party can request an advisory opinion from our office. 00:32:46
We get submissions from both sides. 00:32:50
And we try to predict what a quote would say, and that is then used hopefully as a dispute resolution tool to help resolve 00:32:52
disputes without the need to go to court if the parties want to do that. 00:32:57
I'm getting away from the microphone, sorry. 00:33:02
And then a newer role that we have, So Rob Terry, he's our. 00:33:05
Statewide land use training coordinator. 00:33:10
And that his role was created in her office a few years ago. 00:33:13
To help coordinate land use training. 00:33:17
Again, so the local government is going to hopefully make good land use decisions. 00:33:19
Umm, any questions about our office or what we do? 00:33:24
And I'm happy to. 00:33:28
Great question. So in eminent domain, an eminent domain it's always. 00:33:33
It has to be issued by the property owner in eminent domain. 00:33:37
On the land use side, it can be initiated by other side. 00:33:40
Yeah, the most recent opinion I did actually, both parties came to us and said, hey, can you give us an opinion that we want to 00:33:43
know what you would say kind of a thing. 00:33:47
The city and the property owner. 00:33:52
Any other questions and I'm happy to take. I don't know if you want. 00:33:56
Audience participation? I'll let you decide, right? But I'm happy to take questions from whoever. 00:33:59
If anyone has any. 00:34:04
Council, do you have any questions? 00:34:05
Are there any questions from the public? 00:34:09
That was riveting and quick. 00:34:14
Thank you. Well, and and yeah, I mean if we're done, so I do have, I'm happy to take questions if you have specific questions 00:34:16
about any of the land use issues. These are some of the common issues that we deal with. 00:34:21
Umm, or if you're ready to move on to the next one, we can do that as well. 00:34:28
I'll just comment that I really I've attended. 00:34:33
A couple land use. 00:34:36
I don't know courses through the ULCT. 00:34:39
And property rights, I guess. 00:34:42
Property rights and land use and. 00:34:44
It's really interesting. 00:34:45
What we as a City Council can control and not control and. 00:34:47
And you know when. 00:34:52
When the community might not like something, what the. 00:34:53
What's legal and not legal? It's. 00:34:57
I think there's a lot here that. 00:34:59
You probably could take up the rest of our night. 00:35:01
And it would be riveting. 00:35:04
No, no worries. Yeah. 00:35:06
Are there any planning commissioners that had any questions that wanted to come to the microphone? 00:35:07
OK, then we can. 00:35:13
Go to the next one. 00:35:15
OK. All right. 00:35:16
Thanks for having me. 00:35:17
Awesome. 00:35:19
Thank you so much. Thanks for coming and being here. 00:35:20
Nobody had any questions about exactions. 00:35:22
OK, now tell me what exactions mean. 00:35:27
That is a great question. 00:35:31
I have a few slides on that if you want to talk about it. 00:35:33
So an exaction. 00:35:36
I thought I had some. There they are. 00:35:37
What is an exaction? Great question, right? So anytime you're requiring a developer to contribute something to the city, they're 00:35:39
going to build it and ultimately you're going to own and operate and maintain it. 00:35:44
That's an exaction, right? 00:35:50
Because they're you're taking property from the developer. 00:35:52
Umm, that's appropriate, right? We're talking about dedications. We're talking about construction of public improvements and then 00:35:57
impact fees. So impact fees is a form of exaction, right? 00:36:02
Umm, essentially, in layman's terms, it's OK to do that to the extent that you're only offsetting the impact of the proposed 00:36:08
development. 00:36:11
So the development needs roads, obviously, right? So you can require them to construct internal roads. 00:36:15
They need water and sewer and all the utilities and things like that. 00:36:20
The thing to keep in mind? 00:36:24
When we're talking about exactions is you can only require them to offset their own impacts and no more because when you start 00:36:26
requiring them to offset more than their own impacts. 00:36:30
That's when you start getting into the constitutional takings realm, right? 00:36:34
So if a development is coming through. 00:36:38
And you know they proposed something that meets your codes. 00:36:40
Provides all the internal roads. It provides access and connectivity. 00:36:44
But on your master plan you have. 00:36:49
A5 lane arterial going through the area right? 00:36:52
If you were to require them to construct that entire Rd. 00:36:57
That would be. 00:37:01
Probably a taking of private property without compensation, right? 00:37:02
And that's why we have impact fees and that's why we negotiate things, right? And there's other. So you can require those things, 00:37:06
but you just have to find other funding sources. 00:37:10
To pay for them. 00:37:16
So it's just important to recognize that when you're imposing exactions. 00:37:17
Even if your local ordinance says you can do something, it doesn't necessarily mean that the constitution allows you to do it in 00:37:20
certain cases. So. 00:37:24
Just some red flags to look for when you're talking about. 00:37:28
System improvements versus project improvements and things like that, if that makes sense so. 00:37:32
All right, go back to your list. 00:37:37
I didn't know about that one. 00:37:40
I mean, I knew. I just didn't know. That's what I piqued your interest. You did. You did. 00:37:41
Umm, yeah, where you're the City Council and I was talking with Morgan. It sounds like you've delegated a lot of your. 00:37:47
Administrative decision making. 00:37:54
Right. The state law required you to delegate the subdivisions, right? 00:37:56
But then conditional use permits other administrative decisions where you're not setting policy, but you're just applying policy 00:38:01
to. 00:38:04
Certain applications. 00:38:07
That's kind of a basic principle that we like to talk about in land use, right, is making sure. 00:38:09
That you understand. 00:38:15
What type of a decision you're making, whether that's a legislative or administrative? 00:38:16
Because the legal principles are different, obviously. 00:38:20
Essentially, you have a lot of discretion. 00:38:23
When you're making legislative decisions on what you impose or whether or not you say yes or no to a question. 00:38:26
But when you get into administrative decision making. 00:38:32
It's more check the boxes, make sure everything complies. 00:38:35
And if you're trying to make policy in that realm, you're probably going to violate someone's property rights. 00:38:38
I think a common question is the short term rentals and ad use. Would you mind going over that? 00:38:44
For the public. 00:38:49
Do you have a lot of short term? Well, so Adu's is a big issue right now, right? 00:38:51
Are you guys having? 00:38:56
Without getting too specific and keeping it general, what are your concerns and questions about ad use? I think people, I think 00:38:57
sometimes people don't understand what the state. 00:39:02
Laws are versus what cities have power over and what cities can regulate well. And I think we have probably a couple different 00:39:07
things too, Marty, if I can add to it. 00:39:12
Adus, I think we probably have. 00:39:16
Pretty good laws that the state probably looks to and so our. 00:39:19
Questions probably. 00:39:26
People don't know how we're allowed to enforce or what we're allowed to do with short term rentals and they don't know what. 00:39:27
A lot of people don't know the difference between AD use, short term rentals and then. 00:39:34
Like Airbnb? 00:39:38
And so it's a little bit confusing. OK, well, let's see if we can walk through that right. So. 00:39:40
An Adu essentially. So we like to make the distinction between internal accessory dwelling units and external accessory dwelling 00:39:46
units. 00:39:50
Where the state has stepped in and said. 00:39:54
Local governments you need to provide. 00:39:56
Or allow for internal accessory dwelling units. 00:39:59
And all, but I think it's 25%, right, You can designate about 25% of your residential area. 00:40:03
Unless you're Provo or Salt Lake with universities, right? 00:40:08
And I guess Orem probably. 00:40:14
What's that? 00:40:16
So you have the West campus here, right? Well, we have. 00:40:18
University owned property, right? We have UV use but they they didn't they didn't do it by main campus. 00:40:22
We don't, we don't fit within the statutory definition. You've already listened to that one. It may change as UVU expands. Okay, 00:40:33
they have they have a large. 00:40:38
They have a lot of property in Vineyard. 00:40:44
Yeah, right now it's their athletics facility. 00:40:47
I think as some of the educational facilities. 00:40:50
OK, grow into the city that that'll change. 00:40:53
Interesting. 00:40:55
Perhaps in our legislative work we could. 00:40:57
Have that definition modified? We tried to get it by proximity because we the main campuses across the street from us, we do have 00:41:00
a significant student population that resides in the city and so a lot of the occupancy issues and we see a lot of the same. 00:41:08
Impacts that the university cities experience. Interesting. OK. 00:41:17
Yeah. And so as far as internal Adu's go, you have to follow the state standards, right? 00:41:22
And essentially if they can meet requirements related to parking and dimensions and building code issues. 00:41:27
Than most people would be allowed to have an accessory dwelling unit. 00:41:33
I guess the saving grace you can say whether you like or don't like Adus, right? Is that the primary dwelling you can require that 00:41:38
it be owner occupied, right? 00:41:42
External Adus is still totally up to you guys. 00:41:47
As far as whether or not you allow those, where you allow them, how you allow them. So we're talking about detached. 00:41:50
Buildings on the same lot, right? If you want to rent those out. 00:41:56
You can prohibit those throughout the city. 00:42:00
You can allow them throughout the city. 00:42:02
It's really up to you guys on that. And then also short term rentals. So with short term rentals we're talking about. 00:42:04
Umm, you know properties that people reside in for 30 days or less typically, right? 00:42:11
And you want to define that you guys have a definition of what a short term rental is in your local code. 00:42:16
It's important to make sure you do right. 00:42:21
And. But if you do, then really. 00:42:25
It's up to you how you allow those and prohibit those. 00:42:27
To your point earlier, right, like state law right now says that you can't enforce on a short term rental simply based upon. 00:42:32
A listing. 00:42:39
On like Airbnb or VRBO? 00:42:41
Those are short term rentals. 00:42:43
I saw that there's a bill that might impact that a little bit, right? Everything's just up in the air right now until the end, 00:42:45
until the middle of March. We don't know what the rules are, guys. 00:42:50
Which and and there's always talk, right? How do we address short term rentals? To what extent should the state get involved? 00:42:56
That's just an ongoing conversation, but as things currently stand. 00:43:01
That's largely left to you guys. How do you allow? 00:43:07
Any other questions from my understanding? I'm so sorry you guys. I'm sure you're all sick at me asking questions, but from my 00:43:10
understanding with Adus. 00:43:14
We used to be allowed to have. 00:43:19
Requirements to have one parking spot but I've. 00:43:21
Somehow I recall that's changed. 00:43:24
Yes, the state does identify that you can require parking. 00:43:29
You can still. Yes you can, but they set a limit on how much you. 00:43:34
How much additional parking? Yeah. Require. Yeah. What is that limit? It's one. 00:43:38
I think is A1. It is. It was reduced. 00:43:44
But I think I saw that. 00:43:47
Running around up there right now too, so. 00:43:48
But can't you then set the house limit and the Adu limit? 00:43:51
By house limit you mean how much parking is for the house and one for Adu? As of now, yeah. I mean you can set how many parking 00:43:55
spaces you have. There is a bill. 00:44:01
That was just introduced. 00:44:06
That may affect that as well. Parking is a big issue up on the hill there. I'm glad council members of Fuentes. 00:44:08
Raise this issue because it's an area of law where there's a lot of wrinkles. Yeah, and. 00:44:15
It also was an area of law that is. 00:44:20
Changing quickly. 00:44:23
Because I, I recall that we changed, we were forced to change something within our parking restrictions. So if we're allowed to 00:44:25
have that, I think it benefits the community. 00:44:29
I would recommend that. 00:44:33
This be taken up periodically by the council to make sure our ordinances are up to date. 00:44:34
And I. 00:44:39
Would probably recommend this year that we wait until after the legislative session and do it during that window between. 00:44:40
March and May when the new changes come into effect because I think the bill that. 00:44:46
Is currently being proposed. Has a lot of traction. 00:44:51
And we're going to see some changes in this area. Yeah, it'll change it. 00:44:54
Could we get that written down somewhere that we have that on our agenda? It's on our bill tracker. Oh, do you mean to reevaluate 00:44:58
it? Let's make sure we do that. 00:45:03
Yeah, we are always evaluating parking here in Vineyard. We never stopped talking about it, so. 00:45:08
In fact, we're talking about it tonight. Another exciting land use topic. Yes. 00:45:14
We're always trying to get them to allow us to have more. 00:45:19
OK, I will stop. 00:45:22
But maybe I'll call you later. Yeah, please do. 00:45:24
OK, this is great. No, thank you so much. All right. And then I did send, I sent the slides to Madison. So if she wants to 00:45:28
distribute those and like I say, call me if you have any questions. Thanks for having me guys. Perfect. Thank you so much. Thanks 00:45:33
for being here. 00:45:37
All right, I'm going to make a small. 00:45:43
Agenda adjustment. I'm going to go ahead and move to appointment and removals. 00:45:46
So. 00:45:50
Councilmember Holdaway had emailed me looking for me to send names. 00:45:52
A couple weeks in advance so he could do some. 00:45:57
Reviews of the appointments. 00:46:01
We weren't able to get those appointments until just recently and so I was going to put them to February 12th, but some were short 00:46:03
term and we needed to get them going. 00:46:07
Since you guys all know David Pierce, I. 00:46:12
Allowed for the Planning Commission to go ahead and move forward with my appointment on that one that you guys could review. 00:46:15
And then our youth Council Co advisor. 00:46:22
Appointment. 00:46:25
They stepped down. 00:46:27
And we had those applications running already and Alexa Datsun, if you guys remember her, was our youth mayor and she is back from 00:46:28
college and. 00:46:34
Applied. So we are really excited. 00:46:39
For that opportunity so. 00:46:42
I'm just going to do them in order. I'll start with Planning Commission. 00:46:44
And I will have my appointment is my recommendation is David Pierce. 00:46:48
And. 00:46:53
What I'm going to do is cash. Did you want to come in up and just kind of give an intro and then David, you can say a few words? 00:46:55
That would be great. 00:47:02
Yeah. I don't know if I have a lot to say, but David has been a great member of the public so far. He's come to a lot of our 00:47:10
Planning Commission meetings, always has great comments and feedback. 00:47:15
He submitted his resume a while ago. 00:47:20
Explaining his experience working in kind of the civic field before, I believe, being a planning commissioner in South Salt Lake. 00:47:22
And Salt Lake County. And so he has a lot of experience in this field. And so we're we're looking for people that, you know, have 00:47:29
that kind of experience and can bring that to the table as we deal with. 00:47:33
You know, a lot more applications of development going on in the Utah City development, so I'll let. 00:47:37
David, say a few words. 00:47:42
Thank you. I'm not quite sure what to say other than. 00:47:51
Few words. 00:47:54
I'm I'm open for a question. 00:47:56
I appreciate the opportunity to have the chance to participate in the Planning Commission. 00:47:59
Work and efforts. 00:48:05
I'm excited about that opportunity. 00:48:07
I. 00:48:12
That you all know. 00:48:13
Passion I have for Vineyard City. 00:48:15
This is my home. 00:48:21
This is. 00:48:23
The community. 00:48:25
That my wife and I bought into. 00:48:27
When we bought our home. 00:48:30
And that's what you do when you buy a home. 00:48:32
You buy into a community. 00:48:36
This community. 00:48:40
Has been. 00:48:44
One of the most exciting communities we've lived in because of the potential. 00:48:45
Because of what's happened. 00:48:50
Because of the priorities. 00:48:52
And because of what we look forward to in the future. 00:48:55
Thank you. 00:49:00
Well, I'm really grateful since the day you guys got here, I feel like you just showed up at a big volunteer activity where we 00:49:01
were cleaning the beach, and that's the first time I got to meet you. Was your. 00:49:06
Volunteerism and dedication to the community that you bought into. 00:49:11
And then your service in the community on communities that care and your dedication to what we've been doing as a community and 00:49:15
bringing people together has been really incredible and taking the classes and going through. 00:49:21
Learning all about all of the systems. 00:49:28
In our community is really meaningful and having that kind of knowledge that you can build upon, especially when going into zoning 00:49:31
and helping make sure that. 00:49:35
We're doing it right, I think is. 00:49:39
Really critical for our community, so thank you. 00:49:41
And with that I guess I need a motion. 00:49:44
For my recommendation. 00:49:49
I would just like to. I know I'm a process guy, but I found out about David last night. 00:49:59
And I didn't get the T. 00:50:05
Two weeks and I'd asked to kind of get to know and I understand it's that, but. 00:50:06
In the future, it's consent and an interview. 00:50:10
So that we can get to know, but it's nothing personal, it's just. 00:50:14
It's and a lot of times it's not me interviewing it, but it's. 00:50:18
Hey, can I coordinate that with someone that I agree with and get into the weeds? 00:50:21
And it just takes time so. 00:50:26
This. 00:50:29
I move to approve the Mayor's appointment to the Planning Commission as presented. 00:50:31
Thank you. ABBA first by Sarah. Can I get a second? 00:50:36
2nd. 00:50:39
All right. Thank you, Brett. All in favor. 00:50:39
Aye, any opposed? 00:50:42
All right. Second, we have our youth Council Co advisor appointment. Come on up. 00:50:45
I kind of already gave you a brief introduction, and so I'm just going to let you say a few words. We're so excited that you're 00:50:50
here with us. 00:50:53
Yeah, I mean, looking around the room, it doesn't seem like City Council meetings are a popular event for 18 year olds. But I'm 00:50:57
happy to be here and happy to be home. 00:51:01
As the mayor mentioned, I'm Alexa Dadson. 00:51:06
I'm a sophomore at the University of Southern California studying public policy with an emphasis in law. 00:51:09
But I'm back home for a few months, taking a gap semester, and I couldn't be back in Vineyard without having a good reason to keep 00:51:15
coming to City Council meetings. So. 00:51:18
Found myself an assignment to do and I'm really excited to get started. 00:51:22
I feel like I have a little bit of experience on sort of front end of public service doing volunteer work, internships. 00:51:26
Working on campaigns, but I'm excited to be on the back end doing a little bit of like mentorship and helping other young people. 00:51:33
Kind of trying to figure out what impact they want to have and how they can serve their city. So yeah, I'm excited to get started. 00:51:41
Thank you. And I can't say enough being able to watch you as a youth grow up. 00:51:46
And have you? 00:51:52
Have a desire to create things in the community and go out and start projects and then execute on them. 00:51:54
Was phenomenal and so to have you as a mentor for our youth to be able to. 00:52:00
Follow you in that pathway is such an exciting opportunity for our community. That is, you are the future leader of our community 00:52:05
and now you're back mentoring new future leaders. It's amazing. 00:52:11
OK, with that I just need a recommendation, I mean approval For my recommendation I move to approve the mayors appointment of 00:52:17
Vineyard Youth Council code advisor. 00:52:21
Alexa Datsun, thank you. Can I get a second? 00:52:26
Second. Second by Sarah. All in favor. 00:52:30
Aye, aye. All right. Thank you. 00:52:32
All right. I'm going to open it up to public comment. This is for anything that you guys would like to address the council that's 00:52:36
not on the agenda. 00:52:40
Pam, we'll set a timer of two minutes. 00:52:45
Can you raise your hand before we move on? Pam did. Were you going to do a swearing in? 00:52:48
Of David today, or is that at the Planning Commission meeting? 00:52:52
Did we need to swear in? 00:52:55
Both of them. 00:52:58
Actually, it'd be great. Let's go ahead and do the swearing in, yeah, And then we can get a picture. It'd be lovely. 00:53:00
Thanks for the reminder, Jamie. 00:53:15
Yeah. 00:53:17
OK, raise your right hand and repeat after me. 00:53:23
Aye, aye. 00:53:27
David Norman Pierce. 00:53:28
Having been appointed to the Vineyard Planning Commission. Having been appointed to the Vineyard Planning Commission, do solemnly 00:53:30
swear, Do solemnly swear that I will support, obey, and defend. That I will support, obey, and defend the Constitution of the 00:53:35
United States, the Constitution of the United States, and the Constitution of the State of Utah and the Constitution of the State 00:53:40
of Utah. 00:53:46
And that I will discharge the duties of my office and I will discharge. 00:53:51
Discharged the duties of my office. With fidelity. With Fidelity. 00:53:55
Congratulations. 00:54:00
OK, they want a picture. 00:54:01
Let's welcome. 00:54:03
And we have Janet taking pictures. 00:54:17
Jimmy, take the picture. 00:54:23
Yeah. 00:54:31
David. 00:54:48
All right, now we're back to public comments. Raise your hand if you think you're going to speak. 00:55:00
All right, come on up. 00:55:05
Well, good on Alexa. 00:55:18
And David? 00:55:20
They'll do a fine job. 00:55:21
I'm really impressed with Alexa. Young girl interested in public. 00:55:23
Affairs. 00:55:28
Thank you. 00:55:29
I watched the ATC active transportation. 00:55:31
Meeting last. I watched it today. I wasn't able to watch it last night. 00:55:34
Alyssa Diane Alyssa had an interesting presentation. 00:55:38
I agreed with some of it and some I did not agree with. 00:55:43
I do agree with her stating that medium density is good. 00:55:48
Is her best what she thought would be best? 00:55:52
And I just want to relate a personal experience. 00:55:55
My mother's family. 00:55:59
In Sacramento, early 1900s. 00:56:01
They built a nice big home. 00:56:04
Upstairs, 2 flats underneath. 00:56:07
Big garage in the back. 00:56:10
They had a cooperage. 00:56:12
My great grandfather built barrels. 00:56:14
Home based business. 00:56:17
She advocates for local businesses. I think that's a nice idea. 00:56:20
But you have to have room to have a local based business. I know you have your basement. 00:56:25
For your kitchen. 00:56:30
You have room. 00:56:31
There are not spaces enough for people to have local based business in their homes. 00:56:32
And storefronts here, the retail, the rental. 00:56:39
Leasing option is pretty. 00:56:42
You know, difficult. 00:56:45
So in some ways I agree, some ways I don't I. 00:56:47
Prefer medium density. 00:56:51
And then? 00:56:53
As going on with the active transportation they were talking about wayfinding. 00:56:55
They showed the signs. 00:57:00
I liked option number six, but I like it with the yellow sun. 00:57:02
And I think you should require that Utah City has the same wayfinding signs as the rest of Vineyard. Thank you. 00:57:06
All right, any other comments? 00:57:15
OK. Karen, is that you coming up? OK. 00:57:18
Karen Cornelius Phil is resident. 00:57:29
I shared a little bit with Sarah today about my concerns about. 00:57:31
Our City Hall. Our. 00:57:36
Whatever you want to call it because the name changed today. 00:57:38
And I think that was kind of tricky because I think perhaps residents reading. 00:57:41
Today's agenda may not have known. 00:57:45
That what was on the agenda to night was the same City Hall that we've been talking about for months. I think that was not a real 00:57:48
fair. 00:57:51
Assumption to. 00:57:55
Assume that we would all understand that's what it was. 00:57:57
But I feel like. 00:58:01
We are building backwards. 00:58:03
And we were promised all of this retail and all of this commercial in Utah City. 00:58:06
Which we all know would be a tax base that we heard are. 00:58:11
Redevelopment. 00:58:15
Agency Chair, talk about today. 00:58:17
We need that tax base. I don't know how we can commit. 00:58:19
To building something like that. 00:58:23
When the four years out, we're hoping Huntsmen will bring in the business. 00:58:25
And the related businesses to make that payment. 00:58:29
That is not common sense. None of us run our households that way. 00:58:33
And I think there are very few businesses that run their businesses that way. 00:58:38
We need to know where we are. 00:58:42
Before we commit. 00:58:46
We can't make a blanket commitment when we don't have. 00:58:47
An idea of where we are. 00:58:51
I, as a taxpayer, don't even know where we are today. 00:58:53
With our annual sales tax income. 00:58:57
I don't know what we could afford at this point. 00:59:00
On that, and I appreciated Sarah letting me talk. 00:59:02
It was online, but I still appreciated that. 00:59:06
We need to. 00:59:09
Excuse me? We need to be able to communicate these things. They're important. 00:59:10
And. 00:59:14
I have lived in California and I have seen many cities. 00:59:15
Who have filed bankruptcy. 00:59:20
For irresponsible actions like this. 00:59:22
And I would hate to see that happen here. 00:59:25
My neighborhood. 00:59:28
We have all probably built our last home. 00:59:30
And for us to find that our property values go down. 00:59:32
Because all that's being built is rentals. 00:59:36
That's going to become Rental City USA. 00:59:39
My other question about that is. 00:59:43
I talked to the mayor earlier in the year, last year. 00:59:46
About the importance of public safety impact fees. 00:59:49
And I feel like we will have a lot of public, public safety issues in that neighborhood. 00:59:54
But how much? 01:00:00
Are the developers paying? 01:00:02
And public safety impact fees over there to offset the costs that we the taxpayers. 01:00:04
Have already had an increase for. 01:00:10
These are legitimate concerns. They are not things where. 01:00:13
Picking apart anyone? 01:00:18
But this is good sound business. 01:00:20
And like I said. 01:00:24
I have lived close to two cities that filed bankruptcy in California. 01:00:25
It's not pretty. It's not pleasant. 01:00:29
Let's be smart. Thanks. 01:00:32
Thanks, Karen. I really appreciate your comments and I feel like there's some things that we can bring to the table that will help 01:00:34
clarify some of the comments that you had and some questions. 01:00:38
And Daria, I'll have to watch that. 01:00:42
At present, the presenter that they brought in and learn a little bit more about who presented to us. 01:00:44
Thanks for your comments. 01:00:49
I'm going to go ahead and move to mayor and council member reports, and I'm going to start with Sarah. 01:00:51
Um, so. 01:01:01
So this afternoon. 01:01:03
Marty. Marty let me know that I was. 01:01:04
Supposed to report on. 01:01:06
The legislative. 01:01:08
Bills that Utah. 01:01:10
League of Cities and Towns. 01:01:12
Is this was my first ever. 01:01:14
To to listen in on the legislative process and the bills that are being presented. 01:01:18
So it was very interesting and again, learning. 01:01:23
From or drinking from a fire hose so. 01:01:26
So there's a lot, Bear with me. 01:01:29
And I didn't have time to run home and grab my notes before I got here. 01:01:30
But there were a couple bills. I'll tell you the bills that they are. 01:01:36
That they are looking at right now. 01:01:40
There's 2 water bills. 01:01:43
And I don't know. 01:01:47
I'll get better at this. 01:01:48
Give me a couple weeks. That's OK. Mostly. Mostly what would be good, because we can post them is if you have the numbers, read 01:01:51
the numbers. 01:01:55
And then people can pull them up and but we can watch them too as a council. 01:01:59
So, umm. 01:02:04
And there's This really is the time for for feedback, for public feedback. 01:02:05
They wanted our input on how we feel about these bills and what we see and. 01:02:10
What could be better? What could be written better? 01:02:15
And so. 01:02:18
Anyway, there's a lot of interesting things coming to the table. 01:02:20
One in particular was the mayor recall election. 01:02:24
It wasn't actually received very well. 01:02:27
I've it seemed like. 01:02:30
If if that was something that wants that people want to move forward, it would need to include. 01:02:33
All elected officials. 01:02:38
Which I don't necessarily think is a bad idea. 01:02:39
There were voting revisions, amendments to election law. 01:02:43
Municipal governance modifications. 01:02:48
Zoning Amendments. Homelessness revisions. 01:02:51
It, yeah, there's a lot, there's a lot of people up there that are working to protect your rights. 01:02:54
And introduce things that we maybe haven't thought of before. 01:03:00
So it really would be beneficial if you guys have anything. 01:03:04
That's important to you? 01:03:07
To let us know and we can take it back to the league. 01:03:09
Because they they are our voice to the legislature. So. 01:03:11
Absolutely. 01:03:15
Just to give you. 01:03:17
An update as well on what Sarah's saying so. 01:03:18
We did have several of us go up and. 01:03:21
They have people from the city go and vote. 01:03:25
And. 01:03:28
The appointments for the city went and voted on the bills and made sure that we represented our city. 01:03:29
And we, what we'll do is actually post some of the numbers. There's a build tracker that they're following and we can post them. 01:03:36
And maybe Sarah, you can share it and you can follow along. And if you have any questions, it's a really good opportunity to learn 01:03:40
about. 01:03:44
What the state is doing and then as a city, how we can get involved together and be a part of it. 01:03:49
But this will go on throughout the session and Sarah and. 01:03:54
Our whole crew will be up there. 01:03:58
Monitoring it and watching it and we also are lucky to have staff that are watching the individual bills as well. 01:04:01
So what they do is we'll have a water bill and we have our public works and water people on it. 01:04:07
And then from a legislative perspective, we're on it. And so we come together and make sure that those bills are representing what 01:04:13
we need in our community. 01:04:16
And one of them that the Ombudsman talked about was well. 01:04:20
Maybe there's this new opportunity for how. 01:04:24
Our own code enforcement will start reacting and interacting with short term rentals. And so that might be something that's new 01:04:27
and it's interesting, it's been a topic that's coming up in the community. 01:04:32
So Sarah, you did a good job for your first time. Stellar. I've been here and watched many people give their first reports and it 01:04:37
was incredible. 01:04:41
So, Marty. 01:04:45
OK. 01:04:47
There was a comment from the public that said where were those bills be posted? And there is a bill tracker link. And what we can 01:04:50
do is have Sarah posted and so you can follow her. I can tell him where to find it. Oh, yeah, please. Thank you. So. 01:04:56
If you just Google the Utah League of Cities and Towns. 01:05:02
And bill tracker. 01:05:05
It's on their website and the way they list it out is they have the bills in. 01:05:07
In numerical order and then they have a position that the league's taking on each and you can link through it to the legislation. 01:05:11
Yeah. Thank you. That's really helpful. 01:05:20
Keiko had. 01:05:23
OK, so the school district update it's. 01:05:24
Nothing really changed officially yet. 01:05:29
We're still waiting on the to receive the completed financial study. 01:05:32
And then we've also been working with Senator Grover. He's working on some legislation that should be made public next week. 01:05:37
So that's really important to watch because it could affect. 01:05:45
Just details. 01:05:49
Logistics and administrative. 01:05:51
Things for the. 01:05:54
For the school districts and how we move forward. So it's a pretty. 01:05:56
It's a pretty big thing. 01:06:00
Also we have. 01:06:02
Representative from Vineyard. 01:06:05
As a resident, Isaac Hipple is attending the county meetings to help set up the boundaries. 01:06:07
For our voting precincts, for our future school board members. And so he's been really great. If you notice, I think he's been 01:06:13
trying to post online in those groups. 01:06:17
He actually was at a meeting tonight where they would be discussing more detail in detail. 01:06:22
The boundaries that they're looking at. 01:06:28
The the other thing was. 01:06:32
Daria gave a great report for me on the Active Transportation Commission. 01:06:35
It was umm. 01:06:39
Definitely. 01:06:40
You know, thought provoking. 01:06:42
Umm the umm. 01:06:44
There were some things that I thought were great points and other things that. 01:06:47
You know, I wouldn't agree with but. 01:06:51
It was great to hear someone else's perspective. 01:06:54
We appreciate her coming. 01:06:58
And I think that kind of sums it up. 01:07:00
Grocery stores still coming. Hudson still coming. 01:07:02
And. 01:07:05
We're just excited for. 01:07:07
Growth and development. 01:07:09
Perfect. 01:07:11
Brett. 01:07:12
So a few things. 01:07:14
Since my last report, I've had some more more training, one of the ones that I really wanted to call out with the. 01:07:17
I met with Josh Daniels earlier. 01:07:25
To learn more about the RDA, and I know RDA is something there's a lot of discussion about. 01:07:29
And. 01:07:36
When he was going through it with me, it was at least the third or fourth time. 01:07:37
That someone had explained it to me. 01:07:42
And there's a lot of complexity in there. 01:07:44
So it's something that I think I finally have a handle on. 01:07:48
And would love the opportunity if there are people who have. 01:07:55
Questions and and and want want to. 01:07:59
Ask me what my feelings about it are, I'd be happy to. 01:08:02
Have those conversations. 01:08:07
And then moving on, I did have. 01:08:10
An opportunity earlier to attend the Utah. 01:08:12
Valley Drug Prevention Coalition Advocacy Dinner. 01:08:16
Which is really targeted at. 01:08:21
The communities, the care. 01:08:23
Which we have our own staff for that. 01:08:25
And. 01:08:28
There were a couple of points that really stuck out to me. I mean, a lot of it was about. 01:08:31
Do drug prevention. 01:08:36
The two things that really stuck out to me were. 01:08:42
Making sure that we continue to collect good data. 01:08:45
Which we have, we have been, there's a there's a survey that gets conducted that. 01:08:48
That helps us know how we're trending. 01:08:52
And they can. 01:08:57
Break that down pretty granularly so we can see how. 01:08:58
Vineyard itself is doing. 01:09:02
The other that I thought was. 01:09:04
Fascinating and was very new to me. 01:09:07
Was just how important and critical having a Public Library is. 01:09:09
For these efforts. 01:09:16
And the reasons that they were giving. 01:09:17
In the in the data show this. 01:09:21
Is that? 01:09:23
People who struggle with any kind of addiction or are looking for resources, they have a lot more trust in. 01:09:25
Public Library facilities and librarians. 01:09:32
Than they do in law enforcement. 01:09:36
Or even healthcare. 01:09:38
And I mean, that is no slight to our law enforcement because I know that they. 01:09:40
Very much care. 01:09:45
But it was one where it was very clear just how critical that is to the. 01:09:48
Health of. 01:09:55
The the youth in our. 01:09:57
Community, uh. 01:09:59
And everybody else as well. 01:10:00
And then the last one is a little bit more unofficial. I got an unofficial tour of. 01:10:02
The construction site of the the apartments that are going up and. 01:10:09
And there is there. 01:10:13
They're pretty amazing. 01:10:17
Umm, they have units that cover a large variety. 01:10:18
Income levels, so the availability of housing that comes with those apartments. 01:10:25
Is pretty impressive. 01:10:30
They have everything from very small studio apartments up to. 01:10:33
2500 square foot. 01:10:37
Apartments. 01:10:39
And these are all in those units. 01:10:41
So the diversity that we're going to get and the availability of housing is pretty impressive. 01:10:43
And the other one that I thought was very interesting that you can't see from the outside. 01:10:48
Is that every single one of them has a courtyard. 01:10:53
With dedicated. 01:10:55
Use and only one of them. 01:10:57
Um, it allows cars to enter it. Most of them are for. 01:10:59
Some kind of recreation or specific purpose? 01:11:05
Related to that community. 01:11:09
And I and I just wanted to make sure I shared that publicly because the from the outside they kind of look like just big boxes. 01:11:12
And there's a lot more to them than than that. And I thought it was important that everybody here. 01:11:19
Exactly what's going on over there? 01:11:24
That's great. 01:11:27
Just for a quick update on, there's an item that. 01:11:29
We may be continuing. 01:11:32
Did you want to give an update on where you guys are with the subcommittee? 01:11:34
Sure. So. 01:11:38
Jake and I were selected for the. 01:11:40
Code of Conduct subcommittee we have had. 01:11:42
Some interactions on that in starting, some drafting. 01:11:45
Of of a revised code of conduct. 01:11:48
And we have some work sessions scheduled. 01:11:52
With each other, with, with, with Jamie. 01:11:56
And we've also seen some citizens reach out that want to participate, so we'll make sure that we include them as well. 01:12:00
Perfect. 01:12:07
Did you want to add to it or do you want to add that in your report? 01:12:10
Jacob Wood wrote 1 and Zacks. 01:12:15
I believe. 01:12:18
Forget his last name, Stratton. And I was like, great, let's have them be on the group and anyone else, I think any citizen that 01:12:20
wants to. 01:12:24
Chime in. That's something that's. 01:12:28
They're holding us accountable of SO. 01:12:30
Their city of what they want. 01:12:33
Did you have anything else you wanted to report on Jake? 01:12:36
Well, actually, I'll just make a quick comment before I turn it over to you. 01:12:39
I also wanted to say that Brett woke up really early in the morning. 01:12:42
And went and sent off the youth to the capital for local legislative. 01:12:48
The local legislative session. 01:12:53
To meet the local officials. 01:12:57
And then Sarah actually went with them. 01:12:58
And Marty's young child was there as well. So it was like a little piece of Marty was there. 01:13:02
But it was fun because Sarah got to take them and introduce them to our representatives. And Sarah, I didn't know if you wanted to 01:13:08
talk a little bit about that. 01:13:11
It was it was a rush. She went to many meetings. 01:13:15
The youth had a great time. Some of it was probably boring. They watched a lot of debates and heard a lot of policy, and then they 01:13:19
also had fun and heard some pretty. 01:13:23
Incredible keynote speakers. 01:13:28
But and also Brett also went to the Arch Commission. 01:13:31
And. 01:13:35
Sarah went to library and there's so many things that they didn't get to report on tonight, but I. 01:13:36
Have to say I'm just really grateful for the dedication that our council is taking to. 01:13:41
Make sure that. 01:13:47
Our Commission's committees, youth council and our team is having to really. 01:13:48
Move forward and and work on things. So thank you for being there, Jake. I'll go ahead and let you do your. 01:13:54
The rest of your report. 01:13:59
I'm good. 01:14:04
OK, I am going to go ahead and move us through the agenda and. 01:14:06
Let's see, we'll go to. 01:14:10
Eric, do you have something this? 01:14:13
This month or next month? 01:14:15
Next month, OK, Can I go ahead and get a motion on the consent agenda? 01:14:17
I thought we. 01:14:24
All the content agenda. 01:14:25
I know somebody wants to do it. 01:14:31
I move to approve the consent items as presented. Thank you. Brett, can I get a second? 01:14:33
Second. Second by Sarah. All in favor. 01:14:39
Aye. 01:14:41
All right. 01:14:42
We have another appointment, it's the North Utah Valley Animal Service Special District board appointment. This is an internal one 01:14:44
and it's just Eric Ellis will be representing us on the on the board if we need a resolution that just. 01:14:50
Adopts this. 01:14:57
Appointment as Eric as our representative to go over there and make sure those questions are being answered and things are being 01:14:59
taken care of. 01:15:03
So I just need a motion. 01:15:07
Is this a? 01:15:10
A long term appointment, Is it just who was it before and how long is it served? It's always it's usually staff and I usually just 01:15:12
have the city managers do it. 01:15:16
And then? 01:15:21
So now Eric here. 01:15:22
Before. 01:15:24
OK. 01:15:26
But I do need a motion. I can do it. 01:15:30
OK, I moved to adopt A resolution 20. 01:15:32
2025. 01:15:34
Dash 03 appointing Eric Ellis as representative to North. 01:15:36
Utah Valley Animal Services. 01:15:40
Special Services Special service district. 01:15:42
All right, we have our first by Sarah. Can I get a second? 01:15:44
Second, Second by Marty. This is number resolution. 01:15:47
So I'll go in roll call Jake. 01:15:51
No, no. 01:15:53
Brett aye. 01:15:56
All right. I, Marty. I, Sarah. 01:15:58
All right, perfect business item. 01:16:01
It looks like we're going to move the code of conduct. I was thinking we would move it to the next agenda. Does that work for 01:16:04
timewise timing? 01:16:08
I think we should be able to make that work. 01:16:15
All right. Can I get a motion from you? 01:16:18
Do you have any issue with? 01:16:20
Moving the no. 01:16:22
OK. 01:16:25
I move to continue the this item to the February 12th. 01:16:28
2025 City Council meeting. OK, first by Brett. Can I get a second? 01:16:31
2nd. 01:16:35
Thank you, Sarah. 01:16:35
All in favor, aye aye. 01:16:37
All right, we'll go ahead and move on to 9.2. That's our. 01:16:39
Parking permit program update and cash handsy will. 01:16:42
Talk to us about this resolution. 01:16:46
And this was a continued item for from January 15. 01:16:48
Perfect. Umm. 01:16:52
I just have a brief presentation here just to kind of go over the changes, so. 01:16:53
Last council meeting, you guys requested that we do a town hall meeting with just residents that could be affected by this parking 01:16:57
program. So last Tuesday. 01:17:01
Sarah and I and Jake met with them and had a good in-depth discussion on these changes and got feedback from them, and so I have 01:17:05
those changes presented here. 01:17:09
Well, this is quickly, this is the current program. We have kind of three programs we have for our 55 plus communities. This does 01:17:14
not impact them at all. 01:17:18
They will maintain with if they have requested from the Council. 01:17:22
To have no parking between 11:00 PM and 6:00. 01:17:26
It might be ten, 8:00 PM. I got that time around. 01:17:29
But there's no permits there, so just no street parking. 01:17:31
But what this does affect is what we're referring to as City Council designated amenity parking. So that's something that you'd 01:17:35
see on 300 Western near Loop Rd. 01:17:39
Where they have built in parking on on either side of the street or both side of the street. 01:17:43
Currently we allow 82 permits and we charge $60.00 that's prorated monthly. 01:17:48
And then the neighborhood permits. So right now, that's the Providence and Springs neighborhoods. 01:17:53
We allow one permit per household and that is prorated monthly. 01:17:57
So here's the updated program that we're suggesting after this town hall, our meeting that we held. 01:18:01
And that would be, I'll start with the neighborhood permits. I think we have some members of that neighborhood here. 01:18:09
That we met with and then got their feedback on. 01:18:14
And so one of the suggestions that they made that I thought was a good idea was to bump it up to three per household. And this is 01:18:17
in lieu of doing visitor parking or the ADA parking permits. 01:18:22
That I had initially suggested. 01:18:28
This just helps ensure that the residents of that neighborhood have enough parking if they do have visitors come, but it does 01:18:31
prevent people from outside of the neighborhood from buying those visitor passes and parking in the neighborhood. 01:18:36
We are suggesting a $20 per permit. 01:18:42
So if you bought 3, it would equal $60.00 and then it would have an expiration of one year after activation. So one other 01:18:45
suggestion that we're making is to move to this digital permit. 01:18:50
And in doing that, it does allow us to, rather than every year have to send out new permits, we're able to do it throughout the 01:18:56
year. When people need to pass, they can buy one, get it instantly. 01:19:01
And it will be valid for an entire year. 01:19:06
Moving on to the council designated amenity parking were yeah, sure. 01:19:09
You were able to fix the OR have a discussion about the. 01:19:14
Umm, if the program or the parking app goes down. 01:19:18
Yeah, yeah, I'll get to that in just one second. OK. Yep. Didn't want you to go past the digital. No, you're good. Just because 01:19:22
this other, this other past is impacted by that as well. OK. We reached out to our parking consultant on the current parking 01:19:27
status of 300 W and New Loop Rd. 01:19:32
And by their counts counts, they suggested that we increase the permit count there up to 110. 01:19:37
Last year we sold all 82, but it was at the end of December that we actually sold that 82nd pass. 01:19:43
So it shows that there is, you know, some market from that. 01:19:50
You know, we could have additional supply there. 01:19:53
And then we are suggesting to keep that at $60.00 per year to ensure that the supply is there for people that do need it. 01:19:56
So that would be no change to the price there and then that same thing would have an expiration of one year after activation. 01:20:04
And so this is where I get to the wide digital permit. We had some questions about that, how people will be impacted by that. 01:20:11
So I have a few. 01:20:17
Points here and I'll address that that concern you brought up. 01:20:18
But first of all, this has a lot more. 01:20:21
Reduced administrative time, so we have. 01:20:24
A lot of people were asking for a reduced price, but we've got that original $60.00 per year. 01:20:26
Just by calculating how much staff time was required for these physical passes and what we were doing. 01:20:31
But by moving to this digital permit, it eliminates a lot of that time. And so you know that that's by far one of the biggest 01:20:37
impacts of this. 01:20:41
But then #2 that's accessibility and convenience. 01:20:46
So right now, if you want to pass, you have to fill out an application, create an account. There's a pretty big process. 01:20:49
Then it gets to staff on a business day and we have to. 01:20:55
Verify everything and then we have to mail it out and you're getting your pass two 3-4 days after you've applied for it. 01:20:59
With the digital permit. 01:21:05
If you need it and it's 10:00 PM, you can scan a QR code, download a. 01:21:06
App and you're instantly have a pass. 01:21:10
One of the other benefits was that permits can be cycled through each year, so rather than a year to year calendar basis. 01:21:14
This will allow for instance, in like lakefront community where we do have a lot of college age students where they're moving in 01:21:21
and out more frequently throughout the year. They're not moving in in January, they're most likely moving in in July or August 01:21:25
during this, you know, before the school semester. 01:21:30
So this would allow those permits to cycle through. 01:21:35
At in the year when we need them, rather than at the beginning of the year. 01:21:39
Without doing digital, I don't think it would be. 01:21:42
Possible for us to do that? 01:21:45
So that's a huge benefit for those streets. 01:21:47
And then we had other people. 01:21:51
Ask us questions about the personal identification that's collected. 01:21:53
And we did verify with the Tone company you were able to delete everything. Once everything has been verified, you can delete. 01:21:57
Everything that you want. 01:22:02
And then the third I put on here, just at that last council meeting, we had a resident get up and explain some frustration dealing 01:22:05
with this app in the past. And, and I'll be honest, there probably will be some frustrations. 01:22:10
With technology, that's just what happens. 01:22:16
And I brought these. 01:22:19
Concerns to our vendor and they mentioned that they do have a 24/7 helpline. So if you are on the app and you're trying to switch 01:22:22
the license or the license plate to another person in your apartment or whatever. 01:22:26
And it's not working. You can call that helpline and they can. 01:22:32
Resolve the problem. 01:22:35
I also didn't want to mention that this company operates this digital pass in the city already. 01:22:37
Mostly in the apartments along Mill Rd. 01:22:43
And they told me that they have almost 80,000 active permits statewide that they are. 01:22:45
You know, handling right now, so it shows that it's a proven method and. 01:22:50
And while there might be some frustrations, you know it has been a success overall and one of the reasons why you switched from 01:22:56
visitor passes. 01:22:59
Umm, to just three passes is because there was some kind of fee? Yeah, yeah. So I talked to the vendor about that and they said 01:23:04
that just with every single visitor pass, they'd have to pay a fee. 01:23:09
As little as, I mean, it'd be $3, but if you're, you know, having to pay $3 over and over and over again, it would be kind of a 01:23:14
pain. 01:23:17
And so when I brought that up at this town hall is actually one of the residences like why don't you just let us buy up to three 01:23:20
and that could resolve that issue. 01:23:24
And I thought that was a fitting. 01:23:27
Action that we could do. 01:23:30
So that's all that I have. 01:23:33
Could you go back to the second? 01:23:35
Right there. 01:23:37
So is the. 01:23:41
My contacts are blue, sorry. 01:23:43
The $60.00 per year. 01:23:46
Still going to be a prorated option. 01:23:49
So that would not be just because we are having it be a one year pass no matter what, if you buy it in July, it'll be a valid 01:23:52
until July of the next year. Whereas before if you bought it in July, it would expire that December. So you're only buying half of 01:23:56
the year of a pass, but now you're buying a whole year. 01:24:01
No matter what, that's great at the town hall, how many people came? 01:24:06
Umm, 10 maybe? 01:24:11
Did we have multiple communities? 01:24:13
It was mostly people from Providence. I think there were one or two people from from the lakefront community there and you guys 01:24:15
felt like you got your concerns resolved. 01:24:19
OK. 01:24:23
Well, Council. 01:24:25
What do you want to do on this? 01:24:27
I want to tell Cash thank. 01:24:30
Thank you Sir for helping me too. 01:24:32
I want to make one comment just to make sure that we're. 01:24:38
We're clear for the Providence and Springs neighborhoods, this was a resident driven pass, right? Yes, they both were. So when 01:24:41
they were when they all signed up for it. 01:24:46
They understood all the guidelines. I think they'll be happy about the $20 per permit. 01:24:52
If something happens and they're uncomfortable with like the changes on the number of. 01:24:58
Per household, this is something that we can come back and change if we're learning that maybe it's creating too much. Yeah, like 01:25:03
if people were like reselling these or something like that, we got word of that, then, you know, we could definitely examine that. 01:25:08
Yeah, I think maybe there's a few things to talk about with how. 01:25:14
We should look at a. 01:25:19
Approaching this law. 01:25:20
It's that. 01:25:22
One of the things that we recommended to the community when we put it in was that we wait a year and we test it out. 01:25:24
I think that's in the actual. 01:25:30
Umm, Bill, right? 01:25:35
In the ordinance. 01:25:36
Or in the program. 01:25:37
I'm not sure it could be in the original one. It might be in the original 1. 01:25:39
Well, there's a few reasons. Because maybe we would only do it if we saw an egregious problem with it. 01:25:42
The city has the ability to go in and change the parking programs. 01:25:50
And then there's a supermajority that has the ability to change the parking programs. 01:25:54
This one is being driven by the community. 01:25:59
I mean by the city. 01:26:02
Correct. So this is a. This is a change. 01:26:03
So This is why we held the roundtable. 01:26:06
This is why we brought it up multiple times. We've talked about it for a year. 01:26:09
We noticed it. We put Flyers out there. 01:26:14
That's why when residents came in and said they wanted to talk about it, we slowed down and we held a town hall. 01:26:17
So at this point, if a big group of people came back and they said, hey, we don't like this. 01:26:23
I feel like we need to be thoughtful about. 01:26:29
Where your limits are for how you're going to change and flip flop back and forth and maybe give yourself a limit and say let's 01:26:32
test this out unless it reaches. 01:26:36
Some kind of level? 01:26:42
And if you don't feel comfortable with it? 01:26:43
Because you think it could reach some kind of level, then think about how you want to vote on it. 01:26:45
You know. 01:26:50
Well, yeah, that's a great idea and. 01:26:51
Also, we discussed the because if everyone in Providence bought 3 passes, there's not enough parking, correct? So they agreed that 01:26:54
it would be on a first come first. 01:26:58
Served basis and I think it's a great idea to. 01:27:03
To let it be a a year long. 01:27:06
Pilot program or programming? 01:27:08
If we need to revisit it, it's after that one year mark. 01:27:11
So if it's first come, first serve, how many would be the maximum? So I believe that in that neighborhood, we could safely park 01:27:14
about 160 vehicles. 01:27:19
Legally, I should say. 01:27:24
Which would be almost 2 per household but. 01:27:26
This last year when we sold permits, we only sold 42 permits total. 01:27:29
I honestly think there might. 01:27:33
You know a handful of houses that need those 3 permits. You know if they have, we have heard from people that said they have. 01:27:36
Eight kids living in a household, and some of them are turning to the driving age and they need a place to park. And right now 01:27:42
they're not able to do that. And somebody's like, yeah, I actually gave my pass to my neighbor. 01:27:47
You know, and so this hopefully resolves that issue for those homes, but I imagine most, most households would would be in the one 01:27:51
to two permits per household. 01:27:55
But this just allows that flexibility for the few. 01:28:00
One other thing we can do is we can monitor this as we, you know, as people buy permits, we can collect the data on how many 01:28:03
permits have been purchased. 01:28:06
And that will help us in the future understand, you know, it's. 01:28:10
If nobody buys 3 then it's kind of pointless but. 01:28:13
You know, if there still are quite a few that are, then, you know, I think it was overall a good idea and a benefit to the 01:28:16
community. What's the number in the Springs? 01:28:19
How many people bought them in the spring or how many houses there's? Yeah. What would the cat be? So I mean, there's 1919 houses 01:28:23
that could purchase it. As far as a cap goes, it's quite a bit higher just because they have that entire side that goes along 01:28:30
Freedom Elementary that is legal to park next to. So they could probably park well over three permits per household there. 01:28:36
OK, I wonder what? 01:28:44
So could you cap it? 01:28:47
What do you mean like the total number of permits? Obviously they're not going above 50. 01:28:51
But say something crazy happened. 01:28:56
Then maybe we should cap it at how many people could actually park there because then that would make a first come, first serve. 01:28:59
Yeah. So one thing that we're going to do on the on the permit application is it will say that that parking is not guaranteed. 01:29:05
Like street parking is not guaranteed, so if every single inch of legal parking stalls was taken up. 01:29:11
That permit you know they're not. 01:29:17
I'll be able to park with it. 01:29:19
I mean, I think that's the worst case scenario that that would ever happen. 01:29:21
I think right now that the neighborhood is operating pretty well. We even had somebody say that this drastically improved the 01:29:25
quality of life in the neighborhood. 01:29:28
With our current program, but this you know additional step would would just help with those few that do need it. 01:29:32
Which is awesome. But yeah, we're just thinking, Can you imagine if everybody suddenly started parking 3 vehicles on the street? 01:29:38
The drastic improvement is that they can park on the street, but also that there's a reduction of the people that were. Yeah. And, 01:29:43
and maybe this is something we monitor closely. And if we do notice and we hear from the residents that it is becoming a problem, 01:29:47
we could reexamine it. 01:29:52
In six months or a year and make those adjustments as needed. Well, I'm just saying even if you just keep this, if you just capped 01:29:57
it at 150 so that I mean it's not outlandish, but I think the hard thing for that is we'd have to do that per neighborhood, right. 01:30:01
So like for Providence neighborhood, we'd have to say this neighborhood going to be capped at this Springs is gonna be capped at 01:30:06
this. 01:30:11
And any, you know, if we look at, you know, holdaway fields as part of their development agreement. 01:30:15
They're gonna have to be capped at a certain number. 01:30:20
OK, well. 01:30:23
I guess, Council. 01:30:26
Do you have any other questions or thoughts or? 01:30:28
Where do you want to go with this? 01:30:30
Does anybody in the gallery have any questions I'd love to ask? 01:30:32
If they have anything. 01:30:35
If we can open it up if they had a comment. 01:30:37
Can we? 01:30:39
That's permission if anyone had anyone, it looked like the people that lived in the community said all of their problems were 01:30:41
resolved. Does everything. No comments on parking. 01:30:45
On that community. 01:30:49
Yeah, that's why I asked. Is it? Sure. I don't mind how many people want to make a comment. 01:30:51
OK, come to the microphone. 01:31:00
I I just want to remind you Crystal price. 01:31:09
I just want to remind you that before the program it was. 01:31:12
A neighborhood just like any other neighborhood. And Vineyard. 01:31:15
Where you could park in front of your house and we had. 01:31:18
Because of the locks. 01:31:22
We had. 01:31:24
Our streets lined with cars of people who didn't live in our neighborhood so. 01:31:25
It's kind of futile to me that you're discussing a cap. 01:31:31
On how many passes if it's? 01:31:35
Residents only that live there. 01:31:39
Right. Oh, yeah. It goes back to this like it doesn't matter if our it's first come, first serve, which is great. Thank you. 01:31:41
First come, first serve. 01:31:48
And if our streets are lined, so be it. We're the ones that. 01:31:49
Assign those parking passes to whoever is visiting us. No I love it. I was just thinking there sometimes when you get new people 01:31:53
that come in and they end up doing long term rentals. 01:31:58
Umm, to make additional funds they could take people's license plates and rotate them in, but even still, I would rather have that 01:32:04
one annoying neighbor who's selling passes. 01:32:10
Because most of us don't need them. I don't need any. 01:32:16
But we have neighbors that have 6 drivers and they have to borrow passes from other neighbors. If you, if you have to do that, if 01:32:19
you feel comfortable with it, I feel fine. I just wanted to make sure you didn't end up with that same situation I know you're 01:32:24
experiencing. 01:32:29
The races and the cars in the trash and on my porch at 2:00 AM. And if I do I know where they live and I will go chew them out 01:32:34
myself no problem. So thank you for having this. It was neighboring. 01:32:40
The locks, the locks and Tucker room and some solstice because. 01:32:47
They're really screwed in that neighborhood. 01:32:51
But anyway, thank you. 01:32:54
All right. 01:32:56
Council, go ahead and make your comments and make a motion. 01:32:58
I move to adopt resolution. 01:33:06
I didn't know we were done with comments. I'd like to make a comment. 01:33:08
I reached out to an HOA. 01:33:12
I Edgewater. 01:33:16
And they immediately just told me, no matter what, don't use this vendor. And that's the vendor that we're using. And then I 01:33:17
reached into it a little bit more. 01:33:21
On I think I talked to 8 or 9. 01:33:26
And they too said the app is clunky and has just a. 01:33:29
Just the onboarding process was just so problematic. 01:33:32
So that concerns me. 01:33:36
The other is a blanket. 01:33:38
I think we've solved an issue in one neighborhood, which is awesome, but the 300 WI would wish that we could exempt them from that 01:33:40
and do. 01:33:44
I don't think we have the HOA leadership in that group on board with that so. 01:33:48
Those are my issues. 01:33:52
But I think we move the ball forward on the others. 01:33:54
OK, I just want to thank Sarah for all your hard work. 01:34:00
And I'm glad for the community engagement. Thank you for coming and participating and. 01:34:03
I do think that each neighborhood has different issues. There are some neighborhoods that have. 01:34:09
Overpopulation and too many cars that make it hard for them to. 01:34:14
Safely navigate their roads. 01:34:19
But it sounds like for these two neighborhoods, this is a really perfect. 01:34:21
Set up an option. So that's great, and I've invited the HOA at Lakefront to come. 01:34:25
And discuss their situation with us. 01:34:31
So I'm waiting to hear back from them. 01:34:33
All right, we have a first motion on the table. Can I get a second? 01:34:35
2nd thank you. 01:34:39
First by Sarah, second. 01:34:41
And this is done by roll call Jake. 01:34:44
Brett, hi. 01:34:48
Aye, Marty. Hi, Sarah. 01:34:50
All right, Great. It's passed. 01:34:52
I'm adjourning this meeting. Thank you for coming. 01:34:54
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Council special session. It's January 29th, 2025 and the time is 7:21. 00:00:00
We'll go ahead and start with the most exciting and riveting part of our whole night. 00:00:07
Which is our audit report. 00:00:11
And Spencer hence he will come up. He's a CPA from Gilbert and Stewart. 00:00:14
It's exciting to see you back. 00:00:19
And I said your name right this time because I asked you before you did. I appreciate that. I've heard it a lot of different ways, 00:00:20
so appreciate you doing that right? 00:00:24
Yeah, like like you mentioned, it's good to be back. 00:00:29
This marked my 10th year of doing this audit. So I've seen the growth, I've been a part of it and it's been, it's been a lot of 00:00:32
fun, so. 00:00:36
I first want to say thank you to the staff and everybody that. 00:00:40
Works here and for the good work that they do in there. 00:00:45
Way that they were able to help us get through this. 00:00:48
Audits are never fun. 00:00:50
Obviously they're required. 00:00:52
So we make it as painless as possible. So. 00:00:53
Like you mentioned, I'm the CPA that's. 00:00:57
A partner at Gilbert and Stewart here in Provo. Where? 00:01:00
Third party. 00:01:03
Auditor and we come in and we. 00:01:05
Do the audit that is required so. 00:01:07
I know I dropped off the financial statements maybe a month or so ago. I don't know if you have those in front of you or not. 00:01:11
I'll be honest with you, I'm not going to. 00:01:17
Dive into them too much. 00:01:18
Might help bring the. 00:01:23
Tension down a little bit to get into it and bore people out, but I won't do that. 00:01:24
I'll just kind of go over what we do as auditors and kind of a little bit of insight and some of the things that we do. 00:01:29
So we really do focus on three things and those three things are presented in three different reports or letters in that audit 00:01:36
packet. 00:01:40
We focused on the financial statements if they're materially correct. 00:01:44
Internal controls, if they're effective. 00:01:47
And then some Utah State legal audit compliance items, so. 00:01:49
If you jump to that. 00:01:54
Audit report just there on page. 00:01:55
1. 00:01:58
This is the main audit report. 00:02:00
That we issue and this is on. 00:02:03
Giving an opinion on whether we feel that. 00:02:05
Financial statements are materially correct. You can see there just there on the second, on the second paragraph. 00:02:08
Says. In our opinion, the financial statements referred to above present fairly in all material or specs or respective financial 00:02:14
position of. 00:02:18
And then it's of Vineyard City, so. 00:02:22
That sounds pretty boring, but that's exactly what you want to hear as a city. 00:02:25
And that's what's considered your unmodified opinion or your clean opinion, so. 00:02:29
Which means. 00:02:33
In the course of doing our audit, we didn't come across anything that caused us to believe there was a material weakness so. 00:02:34
Some of the ways that. 00:02:41
Or how we were able to get to that conclusion. 00:02:42
We're reviewing the trial balance, ensuring that everything is. 00:02:46
Clerically accurate. 00:02:49
We're doing confirmations, cash confirmations, property tax, sales tax. 00:02:51
B&C Roads. 00:02:55
All sorts of confirmations, make sure everything's right. 00:02:56
We're reviewing invoices. We're sampling disbursements at the beginning of the audit. 00:03:00
Capital assets, accounts payable, accrued payable, anything you can think of. 00:03:04
We were calculating the balances and we're also doing analytical reviews, so. 00:03:08
Once we go through that big, long process, we're able to get to that opinion. 00:03:12
Which again, is that clean opinion, which is what you want to hear. 00:03:16
I won't dive into a lot of the statements. There's a lot of information in there. I know that. 00:03:19
Christy is really good. She understands things there if you have questions. She also has a way to get ahold of me if you have 00:03:25
anything. 00:03:27
Very specific about that. 00:03:30
The next thing I want to jump to. 00:03:33
Is kind of the second item that we really focus on a lot and. 00:03:35
That's to test whether internal controls are effective. 00:03:39
We really need to spend time testing these to help us gain. 00:03:45
The ability to give that opinion on the materiality of the financial statements. 00:03:49
I do need to say we do not offer an opinion on the internal controls. That's an important part of this, but we do have to look at 00:03:54
them. 00:03:56
We're looking at three main things. 00:03:59
How are they designed, how are they implemented and are they working effectively? 00:04:02
We've kind of performed the following. We review policies and procedures. We do interviews, walkthroughs and questionnaires. 00:04:07
This year I know we really did focus hard on cash receipts, cash dispersants and payrolls. 00:04:14
So we checked the internal controls on each of those. 00:04:19
Umm, if we are to find large areas in the city. 00:04:23
In which there was number controls or controls that were never implemented. 00:04:26
Where I've been totally ignored, then we would bring that to your attention and that would be considered a material weakness and 00:04:30
internal controls. 00:04:33
And we found none of those. 00:04:37
So that's good. 00:04:38
The other part is if we when we're looking at controls. 00:04:39
Those that are designed and implemented but are not working effectively. 00:04:43
Then we would bring those to your attention as well and those would be considered a significant deficiency. There's a little bit 00:04:47
difference, but. 00:04:50
Either way, we didn't find either of those, and that's good. 00:04:52
Again, we don't offer an opinion on the internal controls as a whole over the city because there are too many of them and it's 00:04:56
outside the scope of what we do. 00:05:00
But. 00:05:04
In the within the scope of us issuing an opinion on the financial statements, we didn't find anything that constituted a weakness 00:05:05
or deficiency, so. 00:05:09
The last thing on that last report there? 00:05:13
Is the state compliance? 00:05:16
There's a in the middle there. You'll see this is on page 60. Sorry, it's clear in the back. 00:05:19
You'll see a section there, kind of a list of the different areas that we looked at. 00:05:24
The items that we're supposed to check and do are handed down to us by the state auditors office and we go through each of those 00:05:29
compliance. 00:05:33
And we look at those different areas. 00:05:37
Some of them are on a three-year cycle but the majority of them are we look at every single year because they are important and 00:05:39
they matter so. 00:05:42
But as we work through each of those compliance guides. 00:05:45
We aren't able to find any non compliance items either. 00:05:49
So that really is a tribute to your staff and you as a council. 00:05:52
And what you have implemented and worked through. 00:05:57
And yeah, everything seems to be working great, and that's a really good thing, so. 00:06:00
I won't. Like I said, I won't dive into everything else, but is there any questions on any of that? 00:06:06
Any questions? 00:06:10
No, but I have a comment. 00:06:14
Not for you, just generally I can wait till. 00:06:15
Well, just thank you and thank you to staff this. I know this is such a big process that you guys go through so. 00:06:19
It's exciting to see, yeah. And we were able to get it done much earlier than. 00:06:25
Previous years when we're just going to keep working through that just because it gets busier for everybody at the end of the 00:06:30
year. So we were able to do that and again. 00:06:33
Is a huge tribute to Christie and. 00:06:37
I know she stepped into a pretty tricky position. 00:06:39
With the turnover and she. 00:06:42
Handled it great, yeah. So she's been amazing, yeah. 00:06:44
Thank you. 00:06:48
Thank you. You bet. 00:06:48
You had a comment, Jake. 00:06:50
Well, he had a comment. 00:06:53
Just about the overall process and the words we use. 00:06:57
I understand what an audit is and speaking with the state auditor and working with him a lot. 00:07:03
And I think on Facebook, there's a lot of times citizens will throw out the word illegal or the difference between illegal or 00:07:08
corrupt or best practices. 00:07:12
And. 00:07:17
In my line of work for government procurement, I always look at. 00:07:18
What was the process in which? 00:07:22
You know, government is always set up to not trust anybody. 00:07:26
I don't trust you. You don't trust it's actually good. 00:07:30
Like that's what it was set up for, right? 00:07:32
And so when I look at an entire process from its totality, I look at the process and the word corrupt. 00:07:34
I, you know, can and should be used for broken or dysfunctional processes. 00:07:41
In this context, and I wrote this out because Eric asked me about like, what do you mean by this? 00:07:45
In our meetings and I said a corrupt process isn't necessarily. 00:07:50
Referring to a moral wrongdoing. 00:07:54
But rather something that is spoiled rotten or perverted in a way that undermines the intended function or the integrity of that 00:07:56
government process. 00:08:00
So for example. 00:08:04
A corrupt process can describe a system that has become so inefficient or dysfunctional and biased to a point that it no longer 00:08:06
serves the. 00:08:10
Intended purpose. 00:08:15
For example, like our City Council meeting, it's. 00:08:16
To we do a notice to say hey. 00:08:19
We're doing this. 00:08:23
We make it publicly noticed. 00:08:25
We then hold that meeting and then it's disclosed. 00:08:27
And if the process is corrupted in such a way that. 00:08:31
It's distorted where the mechanism that was supposed to ensure fairness. 00:08:36
Or efficiency or transparency to the end of the day. 00:08:40
They leave and they go. We don't know we're in Europe. 00:08:43
Or we don't know. 00:08:47
This is happening. 00:08:48
That is the word that I use when I say corrupt because I want the 3rd grade level citizen. 00:08:50
To be able to. 00:08:56
Read a notice or to be able to attend a meeting. 00:08:58
And go. I understand. 00:09:01
So therefore all. 00:09:03
All citizens can understand that process, and then they can then therefore hold me. 00:09:06
Accountable. So if my words have. 00:09:11
Like, oh, this is corrupt and therefore someone is taking money to the jail, you know, this or that. 00:09:14
My process and I think we had this during the budgetary process, which is. 00:09:19
If we stay so high level in the budget. 00:09:23
Where it's. 00:09:26
Miscellaneous and there's really large sums. It doesn't give me the availability and when you go through and do an audit. 00:09:27
And that is in miscellaneous. 00:09:34
They will pass the audit. 00:09:36
Or, umm. 00:09:38
Or whatnot because that. 00:09:39
That is a miscellaneous spend and it wouldn't ever come up as illegal or anything. 00:09:40
But as a process of transparency or the what we're trying to get to. 00:09:45
I would say and I try to look for ways in which. 00:09:49
We can look at that process and say, hey, let's. 00:09:53
Let's make sure everyone understands exactly what's going on, so. 00:09:55
That's just my comment. 00:09:58
How I think a good procurement or spending process is because. 00:10:01
It's definitely not illegal. 00:10:05
But it's trying to. 00:10:07
Make it so citizens know. 00:10:09
And can understand it. 00:10:12
And have that visibility. 00:10:14
And I just want to strive to do as best as we can. Can I just mention something really quick? You brought up miscellaneous. 00:10:15
And I just wanted to remind you that when we were in the budget season. 00:10:22
I asked Christy to go through the miscellaneous and anything over a certain dollar amount she could breakdown. 00:10:25
And she did. 00:10:30
So I just wanted to. 00:10:31
Remind you of that? 00:10:33
And I will say to you as part of the audit, there's no like. 00:10:34
Miscellaneous. 00:10:38
We we compare. 00:10:39
Trial balance. Account groupings. Account classifications. 00:10:41
And there really is no. 00:10:45
Miscellaneous. It's usually categorized as something else, right? And it's also tied to your budget, so. 00:10:46
To say that auditors just. 00:10:52
Take miscellaneous and we pass it. No, no, I'm not saying you, I'm saying. 00:10:54
In the audit it doesn't but. 00:10:57
If it fits within those banks. 00:10:59
But when the previous year we went and did a budget and it's just travel or? 00:11:02
Economic development or whatever. 00:11:07
It's very difficult for us to see that, oh, this is in San Diego or this is where we're at. 00:11:08
It'll it'll pass with flying colors because. 00:11:14
The City Council came through and voted through, voted it through. 00:11:17
And as long as we don't go over that threshold. 00:11:21
You know that threshold of what it is. 00:11:24
But that's the bare minimum of what? 00:11:28
We want, I mean what I want as a government, which is when we do a public notice, it's. 00:11:31
We're doing an ambassadorship or we're doing this and this is the total dollar amount. 00:11:36
Come and talk about the merits of what that is. 00:11:40
Even though the legality is, we probably don't have to use those words. 00:11:44
We don't have. We can be very vague in it and keep things very high level. I think it would establish trust. 00:11:48
To do everything we can to look at the process and say. 00:11:54
Does this. 00:11:57
Allow for a citizen when voting or prior to voting on to be able to understand what's going on. I'm gonna, I'm gonna. So anyway, 00:11:59
that's what I just wanted to clarify. 00:12:04
You're looking at legality on this process, which is important. I'm gonna just clarify. 00:12:08
I think this is a separate comment where he's just trying to articulate the difference between what you're doing and what his 00:12:13
goals are. So. 00:12:17
I'm going to call for a motion of approval. 00:12:21
Or however you guys feel about the audit, can I get a motion? The motion will be to accept the to accept the audit. 00:12:25
Forgive me. 00:12:31
Except the other I moved to accept the. 00:12:32
Financial audit as presented. Thank you. I have a first by Marty. Can I get a second? 00:12:35
Second. Second by Sarah. All in favor. 00:12:40
Aye, excellent. Thank you so much for coming. Great job. Thank you team. 00:12:43
All right, we're going to go ahead and hear from EDC Utah. 00:12:47
We're so excited to have you guys here. 00:12:50
OK. 00:12:53
We have with us our CEO and President, Scott Cuthbertson. 00:12:55
I've almost got your name wrong, but. 00:12:59
Like a little bit of a tongue twister. 00:13:02
And Greg Bisping and Greg, I was looking at what you do. Do you have a new title this year? 00:13:03
Yeah. 00:13:10
Of Investor relations, OK. I wanted to make sure that I didn't say the community one. 00:13:13
I was like, I feel like you have gotten a few titles this year so of investor relations. 00:13:17
Perfect. 00:13:23
And you guys, I'm going to go ahead and let you guys introduce to the community what you specialize in and what you do and our 00:13:24
partnership and we're just really excited to have you here today. 00:13:28
Could you clarify just for the public what EDC stands for? 00:13:33
Sure. That's the Economic Development Corporation of Utah. Thank you. 00:13:37
And thank you, Mayor, for the introduction. Council members, we appreciate the opportunity to be here and present to you. 00:13:42
We know you have a lot on the agenda, so we'll try to be concise. 00:13:48
And happy to answer questions as we go along or at the end. 00:13:51
EDC, Utah. 00:13:55
What we do is. 00:13:56
Create opportunity economic opportunity in the state of Utah primarily through. 00:13:57
Facilitating job creation. We're at private nonprofit. 00:14:04
We've been around for nearly 40 years. We're supported by cities, counties and private sector members, about 200 organizations in 00:14:08
total. 00:14:13
Vineyard has been a member with us since 2017. 00:14:19
And we? 00:14:23
Have this mission of. 00:14:24
Advancing economic prosperity. How we do that? 00:14:26
We do that through primarily 3. 00:14:28
Different ways, different services. 00:14:31
Our core competency is. 00:14:33
Helping to recruit. 00:14:35
Businesses to the state helping companies that are in Utah expand. 00:14:37
Create new jobs we facilitate. 00:14:42
The site selection process we do business Case analysis provide research to those companies and to economic developers, local. 00:14:45
Local stakeholders. 00:14:53
And then we basically. 00:14:54
Sort of shepherd them through the states incentives process if they're going for incentives. 00:14:56
We have an in house research team. 00:15:00
And we do a lot of training and have events that help. 00:15:02
To kind of foster. 00:15:06
Economic development. We give trainings. 00:15:08
Virtually and. 00:15:11
In other formats. So that's what we do in a nutshell. 00:15:13
Interesting statistic for every dollar that's invested in the EDC. 00:15:18
Equates to about $3800 in economic. 00:15:22
Opportunity in the state and that comes through direct. 00:15:26
Indirect and induced jobs and the revenues that come from those. 00:15:29
Some of our supporters are. 00:15:34
Board members, you're familiar with some of these companies, great Utah County companies, but also companies. 00:15:36
Throughout the entire state, we're a statewide economic development organization. 00:15:43
And plenty of city and county. 00:15:49
Members supporting us as well. I want to give you just a quick overview of what we accomplished. 00:15:53
Last year. 00:15:59
And in. 00:16:01
Our process of recruiting businesses, we have at any given time about 100 companies that were actively. 00:16:02
Working with you to expand or to come to Utah. 00:16:08
Primarily, we're seeing a lot of manufacturing opportunities given what's happened in the economy over the. 00:16:11
Past three or four years. 00:16:16
But we work across all sectors, so life science companies advanced. 00:16:17
Manufacturing, fin tech, aerospace and defense life science companies. 00:16:21
And a lot of energy companies lately as well. 00:16:26
We do proactive outreach, but we also handle a lot of inbound. 00:16:28
Request to come into the state we work hand in glove with the governor's office of economic opportunity there a. 00:16:33
A member of ours. 00:16:39
And we track. 00:16:41
Our performance through job creation. 00:16:43
Through capital investment that's spent in the state or announced. 00:16:45
Through project wins and then through square footage. 00:16:49
Absorbed a real estate and last year. 00:16:51
We were involved with about. 00:16:54
8800 jobs that were that were created. 00:16:56
We had about 30 wins and notably 9 / 9 billion dollars in CapEx. 00:17:00
Capital expenditure was announced. 00:17:06
A couple of years now that we've seen. 00:17:09
Just tremendous amount of capital expenditure and so that comes through utilities the. 00:17:11
Road construction, facility development, all these things that help to. 00:17:16
Create a great business environment. 00:17:21
These are some of the companies that we worked with last year. 00:17:23
Again, across industries and sectors. 00:17:26
And we have investor engagement and strategy program which. 00:17:30
Greg helps to lead. 00:17:35
He's been busy rolling out a new model because we recognize the economic development in the state has has. 00:17:36
Has really changed significantly over the past five to 10 years. It used to be. 00:17:42
Utah wanted just raw job growth. Bring the jobs in. 00:17:46
As we've grown, we see, you know, a pressure or a tension between quality of life and. 00:17:50
And job creation. 00:17:54
Through infrastructure, traffic, etc. All things that you know about very well as. 00:17:56
The fastest growing micropolitan in the country as I've read. 00:18:01
So we want to be more intentional about how we do business and the companies that we're bringing in. So that's part of. 00:18:05
Sort of. 00:18:11
Mission and coming in a couple years ago and taking over was. 00:18:13
Let's be thoughtful. Let's be intentional. 00:18:16
Let's provide research and help help the decision makers make the right informed decisions. We don't. 00:18:18
Put our finger on the scale of who comes into the state or where they go. 00:18:25
How we're sort of a neutral party in that way, and it's up to the communities to decide who they want to come in. 00:18:29
And so we just helped to facilitate it and we provide. 00:18:35
Research on that. There's an example of. 00:18:38
Some of the research we do, we do a lot of community. 00:18:40
Profile and assessment work where we'll. 00:18:43
Helped a community understand what their strengths and weaknesses are with the economic data show about their their area. 00:18:46
We're also really actively involved now with retail. 00:18:53
Companies that that's not an incentivized. 00:18:57
Industry by the state, but it is obviously key to creating job revenue, so we're becoming more active in that space. 00:19:00
Part of what we do and part of our. 00:19:06
Sort of a package that you get as a member with EDC Utah. 00:19:09
Is access to. 00:19:12
A retail software program. 00:19:14
At a discounted rate. 00:19:16
And that oftentimes covers the cost of the membership with us. 00:19:18
But there's a lot more that's involved with it. 00:19:21
The growth journey. 00:19:26
Wanted to share a few data points and I'll go quickly through this given you all have lived this experience, but Utah as a whole 00:19:27
is one of the fastest growing states in the country. 00:19:32
We've seen a lot of. 00:19:36
Net and migration For the first time in decades, the number of. 00:19:38
The increase in population has been more from. 00:19:43
People moving into the state than natural births. 00:19:47
And that's starting to track the national trend a little bit more. 00:19:50
We're forecast to double our population by 2065. We're still the youngest state. 00:19:55
In the country at average of 32 years. 00:19:59
Versus the national? 00:20:02
Average of 39. 00:20:03
We have great job growth. Unemployment is low. 00:20:05
Labor force participation is high, and notably we have. 00:20:10
One of the most diverse economies in the country, so. 00:20:13
All in all, Utah is in a situation where. 00:20:17
We simply are going to continue to grow because it's a great place for people to live, work, play, do business. 00:20:20
So it's in our view a matter of shaping that growth. 00:20:26
Rather than looking at. 00:20:30
Sort of stopping it because it inevitably is going to happen and we try to help inform. 00:20:31
Stakeholders on the impacts of growth and help to meet their goals by attracting the right type of companies to their communities. 00:20:37
This was just a. 00:20:45
Interesting sort of meme that we saw recently. You all know about NIMBY's, but now that's the banana environment of the. 00:20:47
Build absolutely nothing, anywhere near anything. 00:20:54
Crowd, which I understand nobody wants traffic congestion and the issues that come with growth. 00:20:56
But at the same time. 00:21:01
We don't want to pull back from what's really helped us become the best economy in the country. We want to do it more 00:21:03
thoughtfully. 00:21:06
And there's some things that we're doing, as I mentioned, being more thoughtful, but also. 00:21:10
Looking at. 00:21:14
Offering services that meet every community where they are. It's not just a. 00:21:15
One-size-fits-all approach. 00:21:19
It's a built out community. 00:21:21
Or if it's an emergent. 00:21:23
Community, you want different things. 00:21:25
So what you get with investment in East Utah is what you want from it. 00:21:27
I mentioned you've been a member with us since 2017. 00:21:31
Membership for Vineyard is $3200 a year. 00:21:35
We have. 00:21:39
Model that works based on population and based on the offering that. 00:21:40
That you're interested in. 00:21:44
So you know. 00:21:45
To give you a sense of where your peers are. 00:21:47
We have some communities that are investing over $100,000. 00:21:50
And then? 00:21:54
Kind of the lowest number is 1000 for our really rural small. 00:21:55
Communities. 00:21:58
So it's we think very reasonably priced our pricing structure. 00:22:00
Is consistent. It's a formula. So there's there is no overpaying, it's all consistent. No community pays. 00:22:04
Much more or less, it's a. It's a model that you get to choose. 00:22:12
But you're priced fairly and transparently. 00:22:16
We do a lot with grant support. That's another. 00:22:19
Area that we're getting and we're super involved with, we have a tool that helps to. 00:22:22
Identify the right grants for a community, what they're interested in. 00:22:26
And how they want to grow and what they need support with. 00:22:30
And we're all about. 00:22:33
Showing more value for membership. 00:22:34
That's been a focus of mine for a couple years. 00:22:37
It's not just you pay in and don't know what you get or you just pay because it's good for everybody, but you see the value that 00:22:40
that your money, where it's going and what you're getting for it. So. 00:22:46
That was a pretty rapid fire. 00:22:52
Preview of what we do there. So I'd love to take any questions that you have. 00:22:55
Yeah, Council, do you have any questions? 00:22:59
We love working with you, it's been really great. 00:23:05
And we got to meet with Greg just recently and talk about some of our priorities and we'll be setting up meetings with our 00:23:08
council. 00:23:11
This is Marty. She sits on our economic development, so you guys will get to know her. We have kind of a newer council, so I don't 00:23:15
know if you've gotten to meet everybody here. Brett actually just joined us in November. 00:23:20
So it's a new start for us, but we're really excited, so. 00:23:26
And I guess we've got a couple events coming up. Maybe you want to talk about ICSC. 00:23:30
Yeah. 00:23:36
Yeah. So ICSE is a major, probably the most popular retail conference in the world that's held annually in Las Vegas. 00:23:37
We have. 00:23:47
17 or 18 on average communities that come down and. 00:23:48
They're looking at making connections with retail companies. We have a booth down there that we pay for that. 00:23:53
Is part of what the membership goes to. 00:23:58
We help to create community profiles for communities that are interested in joining us, so we're helping you. 00:24:01
Sell your community. 00:24:06
It's two or three day event. 00:24:08
Three day event, so we're down there. We hosted dinner as well the help the economic development community from Utah get together. 00:24:11
So it's a great opportunity to make connections. 00:24:17
As I mentioned with our retail program and software, we're able to help communities kind of prep in advance before going down 00:24:19
there and and look at targets with them and. 00:24:23
Facilitate introductions so. 00:24:28
That's one event that comes up, another one that will be. 00:24:30
Holding on February 13th. 00:24:33
Is an Energy Innovations in Utah symposium. 00:24:35
The University of Utah. 00:24:38
Bringing in the Attorney General is going to talk about the regulatory environment in Utah for energy. 00:24:40
And we've got a great panel of innovative. 00:24:45
Alternative energy companies doing business right now in Utah, from geothermal to hydrogen to nuclear. 00:24:49
And wind and solar. 00:24:55
And we're facilitating discussion. 00:24:56
I have 100 folks there and you all are welcome to join if you can make it. 00:24:58
That's one, and then we have another. 00:25:01
Economic exchange where we're. 00:25:03
Sharing best practices. 00:25:05
Any going on a fact finding tour with our peers in South Carolina Who? 00:25:07
Do manufacturing better than any. 00:25:11
Any state in the country and we're going to learn some things from them. 00:25:13
Number of other events as well, but we're always. 00:25:16
Wanting to facilitate economic opportunity. 00:25:19
Yeah, we're really grateful on the corporate recruitment alone has been incredible, but just the strategy that you're talking 00:25:21
about has been really beneficial to the community. 00:25:25
One of the things that we've been talking about as a council is the same that everybody is how do we get more base load power to 00:25:29
our communities because that's what drives the economy and that's what creates quality of life. And so finding that balance that 00:25:35
you talked about, it's huge. So we will definitely take advantage of those strategy meetings. 00:25:40
And then? 00:25:46
I guess we'll. 00:25:48
Stay connected on the research and the corporate recruitment and. 00:25:49
You can reach out to us whenever and let us know what's coming up and council, if you don't have any other questions. I have 00:25:53
questions. Oh, yeah. OK, go ahead. Jake. What's your relationship with 47G? 00:25:58
Did you guys just merge or no? SO47G is separate. So there are to kind of help maybe frame the landscape. So you have our office 00:26:04
which is working across industries, that statewide organization that does recruitment. 00:26:11
47 G is more of a peer to. 00:26:19
IO, Utah, the Utah Manufacturers Association, Aerospace Aerospace. So they focus on aerospace and defense and it's more of a. 00:26:22
Kind of an advocacy group for for that sector. We do work with them. 00:26:29
If there's a lead that we. 00:26:34
Want to bring in an expert on aerospace policy? We would bring them into part of the recruitment process but really distinct in 00:26:36
our missions. 00:26:39
Who's your survey methodologist now that's been doing your stuff? You still have somebody on staff? What were their names? 00:26:43
Michael, Director Research. That's what I thought. 00:26:47
Been with us about 10 years and. 00:26:51
He actually so. 00:26:53
Answer your question on 47 G We did do a research project for them. You may have seen their recent profiles. So that was our team 00:26:55
that did that on their behalf. 00:26:58
That's what I thought. 00:27:04
I knew Michael. 00:27:05
Thank you. Great. Thanks so much for coming. 00:27:07
Yeah, happy to come. Thank you. Appreciate the time and. 00:27:09
I look forward to continuing working with you. Awesome. 00:27:12
Thanks so much, Scott. Thanks, Greg. 00:27:14
All right, we will go ahead and move on to our next item. 00:27:17
Let's see. 00:27:21
We've got our property rights training. 00:27:22
With our head attorney Jordan Cullimore from our Property Rights Ombudsman. 00:27:25
Hello. 00:27:30
Hello. 00:27:31
Okay, sorry. 00:27:37
Pull this up here, hopefully it goes smoothly. 00:27:38
It is white and blinking. 00:28:01
Did anything pop up in the body? 00:28:29
Right when you plugged it in. 00:28:30
There we go. 00:28:36
All right. 00:28:44
Thanks for having me. 00:28:46
Mary, do you have to take issue with something you said? This will actually be, I think it might, the most riveting part of our 00:28:48
meeting. 00:28:52
All right. 00:28:58
So yeah, my name is Jordan Collamore. I am the lead attorney in the. 00:28:59
Property Rights Ombudsman's office. 00:29:03
Umm. 00:29:07
OK, thanks for having me SO. 00:29:14
Kind of my intent today is to help you guys know what our office is, what we do. We're kind of we're a resource. 00:29:17
To local governments. 00:29:22
And helping them to understand property rights issues. 00:29:24
Primarily in the areas of land use and eminent domain. 00:29:28
So helping you understand that and then. 00:29:32
However much time you want to take. 00:29:34
I don't know like 30 minutes are we thinking or? 00:29:36
Anyway. 00:29:38
However much time you want to take as far as QA, right? 00:29:39
So the presentation I have really isn't that long and you guys can decide how long you want this to. 00:29:42
That's why this is so. 00:29:46
Right. You guys are in charge. 00:29:48
So here's my information. 00:29:50
Here's our phone number. There's three attorneys in the office. I have a slide about. 00:29:52
What is an ombudsman, right? Everyone always asked that question so. 00:29:57
Are funded by the government were housed in the Department of Commerce. 00:30:01
And we help resolve disputes that property owners have with the government right? 00:30:05
We were created back in 1997. We're independent, we're neutral, we don't represent anyone. We act in the role of a mediator. 00:30:10
Sometimes an arbitrator. 00:30:16
And then just a facilitator in a lot of. 00:30:18
Situations so. 00:30:21
Here's kind of the four primary areas that we deal in. 00:30:23
As it relates to eminent domains, so when the government needs private property for a public use. 00:30:28
Like a road or some sort of public building. 00:30:33
The property owner. 00:30:36
Always receives. 00:30:38
Information about our office from the condemning entity, whether that's a city. 00:30:41
Or UDOT does a lot of condemning right? 00:30:45
Umm, they have to provide notice to the property owner about our office. 00:30:49
Property owner can call us up, ask questions. 00:30:53
We can mediate the dispute, we can get the property owner an additional appraisal. 00:30:56
If they feel like what the government is offering is not reflecting fair market value. 00:31:00
And that's something that they don't have to pay for. 00:31:06
To provide an additional data point, right? 00:31:09
I can try, my computer is so huge. 00:31:14
Here we go. 00:31:18
OK. 00:31:19
And then on the land use side so. 00:31:22
We kind of have two roles with the land use side. We do a lot of educating like this, right? We go around to towns. 00:31:25
We present a larger cities. We present to midsize cities like Vineyard. 00:31:32
We present to smaller cities. I think my my favorite presentation was in. 00:31:36
Tory town. 00:31:41
There was three of us there and one of the commissioners gave me mushrooms afterwards. 00:31:42
That she had harvested that day, but my wife didn't let me eat. 00:31:47
But yeah, we go all over, we understand that each of you have different issues that you're dealing with every community. 00:31:52
So I actually grew up in Linden City. 00:31:57
You guys have grown a little bit since I was living in London City. 00:32:00
I remember coming down to the Marina and there was pretty much a house and a cow in Geneva, right? 00:32:04
My grandpa, he worked at Geneva growing up. 00:32:09
So yeah, have. 00:32:12
Close ties to this area. 00:32:14
But yeah, so we go all over Utah, we provide education about how to make as it relates to property rights and land use. 00:32:17
What we like to say is. 00:32:24
Good land use decisions or legal land use decisions, right? 00:32:26
And so we try to help people understand and apply the law appropriately. 00:32:29
We can provide advisory opinions so if there's a dispute between a developer. 00:32:34
Or a property owner or a resident and. 00:32:38
The local government over how a land use issue should be decided, A land use application or something like that. 00:32:41
Then one or the other party can request an advisory opinion from our office. 00:32:46
We get submissions from both sides. 00:32:50
And we try to predict what a quote would say, and that is then used hopefully as a dispute resolution tool to help resolve 00:32:52
disputes without the need to go to court if the parties want to do that. 00:32:57
I'm getting away from the microphone, sorry. 00:33:02
And then a newer role that we have, So Rob Terry, he's our. 00:33:05
Statewide land use training coordinator. 00:33:10
And that his role was created in her office a few years ago. 00:33:13
To help coordinate land use training. 00:33:17
Again, so the local government is going to hopefully make good land use decisions. 00:33:19
Umm, any questions about our office or what we do? 00:33:24
And I'm happy to. 00:33:28
Great question. So in eminent domain, an eminent domain it's always. 00:33:33
It has to be issued by the property owner in eminent domain. 00:33:37
On the land use side, it can be initiated by other side. 00:33:40
Yeah, the most recent opinion I did actually, both parties came to us and said, hey, can you give us an opinion that we want to 00:33:43
know what you would say kind of a thing. 00:33:47
The city and the property owner. 00:33:52
Any other questions and I'm happy to take. I don't know if you want. 00:33:56
Audience participation? I'll let you decide, right? But I'm happy to take questions from whoever. 00:33:59
If anyone has any. 00:34:04
Council, do you have any questions? 00:34:05
Are there any questions from the public? 00:34:09
That was riveting and quick. 00:34:14
Thank you. Well, and and yeah, I mean if we're done, so I do have, I'm happy to take questions if you have specific questions 00:34:16
about any of the land use issues. These are some of the common issues that we deal with. 00:34:21
Umm, or if you're ready to move on to the next one, we can do that as well. 00:34:28
I'll just comment that I really I've attended. 00:34:33
A couple land use. 00:34:36
I don't know courses through the ULCT. 00:34:39
And property rights, I guess. 00:34:42
Property rights and land use and. 00:34:44
It's really interesting. 00:34:45
What we as a City Council can control and not control and. 00:34:47
And you know when. 00:34:52
When the community might not like something, what the. 00:34:53
What's legal and not legal? It's. 00:34:57
I think there's a lot here that. 00:34:59
You probably could take up the rest of our night. 00:35:01
And it would be riveting. 00:35:04
No, no worries. Yeah. 00:35:06
Are there any planning commissioners that had any questions that wanted to come to the microphone? 00:35:07
OK, then we can. 00:35:13
Go to the next one. 00:35:15
OK. All right. 00:35:16
Thanks for having me. 00:35:17
Awesome. 00:35:19
Thank you so much. Thanks for coming and being here. 00:35:20
Nobody had any questions about exactions. 00:35:22
OK, now tell me what exactions mean. 00:35:27
That is a great question. 00:35:31
I have a few slides on that if you want to talk about it. 00:35:33
So an exaction. 00:35:36
I thought I had some. There they are. 00:35:37
What is an exaction? Great question, right? So anytime you're requiring a developer to contribute something to the city, they're 00:35:39
going to build it and ultimately you're going to own and operate and maintain it. 00:35:44
That's an exaction, right? 00:35:50
Because they're you're taking property from the developer. 00:35:52
Umm, that's appropriate, right? We're talking about dedications. We're talking about construction of public improvements and then 00:35:57
impact fees. So impact fees is a form of exaction, right? 00:36:02
Umm, essentially, in layman's terms, it's OK to do that to the extent that you're only offsetting the impact of the proposed 00:36:08
development. 00:36:11
So the development needs roads, obviously, right? So you can require them to construct internal roads. 00:36:15
They need water and sewer and all the utilities and things like that. 00:36:20
The thing to keep in mind? 00:36:24
When we're talking about exactions is you can only require them to offset their own impacts and no more because when you start 00:36:26
requiring them to offset more than their own impacts. 00:36:30
That's when you start getting into the constitutional takings realm, right? 00:36:34
So if a development is coming through. 00:36:38
And you know they proposed something that meets your codes. 00:36:40
Provides all the internal roads. It provides access and connectivity. 00:36:44
But on your master plan you have. 00:36:49
A5 lane arterial going through the area right? 00:36:52
If you were to require them to construct that entire Rd. 00:36:57
That would be. 00:37:01
Probably a taking of private property without compensation, right? 00:37:02
And that's why we have impact fees and that's why we negotiate things, right? And there's other. So you can require those things, 00:37:06
but you just have to find other funding sources. 00:37:10
To pay for them. 00:37:16
So it's just important to recognize that when you're imposing exactions. 00:37:17
Even if your local ordinance says you can do something, it doesn't necessarily mean that the constitution allows you to do it in 00:37:20
certain cases. So. 00:37:24
Just some red flags to look for when you're talking about. 00:37:28
System improvements versus project improvements and things like that, if that makes sense so. 00:37:32
All right, go back to your list. 00:37:37
I didn't know about that one. 00:37:40
I mean, I knew. I just didn't know. That's what I piqued your interest. You did. You did. 00:37:41
Umm, yeah, where you're the City Council and I was talking with Morgan. It sounds like you've delegated a lot of your. 00:37:47
Administrative decision making. 00:37:54
Right. The state law required you to delegate the subdivisions, right? 00:37:56
But then conditional use permits other administrative decisions where you're not setting policy, but you're just applying policy 00:38:01
to. 00:38:04
Certain applications. 00:38:07
That's kind of a basic principle that we like to talk about in land use, right, is making sure. 00:38:09
That you understand. 00:38:15
What type of a decision you're making, whether that's a legislative or administrative? 00:38:16
Because the legal principles are different, obviously. 00:38:20
Essentially, you have a lot of discretion. 00:38:23
When you're making legislative decisions on what you impose or whether or not you say yes or no to a question. 00:38:26
But when you get into administrative decision making. 00:38:32
It's more check the boxes, make sure everything complies. 00:38:35
And if you're trying to make policy in that realm, you're probably going to violate someone's property rights. 00:38:38
I think a common question is the short term rentals and ad use. Would you mind going over that? 00:38:44
For the public. 00:38:49
Do you have a lot of short term? Well, so Adu's is a big issue right now, right? 00:38:51
Are you guys having? 00:38:56
Without getting too specific and keeping it general, what are your concerns and questions about ad use? I think people, I think 00:38:57
sometimes people don't understand what the state. 00:39:02
Laws are versus what cities have power over and what cities can regulate well. And I think we have probably a couple different 00:39:07
things too, Marty, if I can add to it. 00:39:12
Adus, I think we probably have. 00:39:16
Pretty good laws that the state probably looks to and so our. 00:39:19
Questions probably. 00:39:26
People don't know how we're allowed to enforce or what we're allowed to do with short term rentals and they don't know what. 00:39:27
A lot of people don't know the difference between AD use, short term rentals and then. 00:39:34
Like Airbnb? 00:39:38
And so it's a little bit confusing. OK, well, let's see if we can walk through that right. So. 00:39:40
An Adu essentially. So we like to make the distinction between internal accessory dwelling units and external accessory dwelling 00:39:46
units. 00:39:50
Where the state has stepped in and said. 00:39:54
Local governments you need to provide. 00:39:56
Or allow for internal accessory dwelling units. 00:39:59
And all, but I think it's 25%, right, You can designate about 25% of your residential area. 00:40:03
Unless you're Provo or Salt Lake with universities, right? 00:40:08
And I guess Orem probably. 00:40:14
What's that? 00:40:16
So you have the West campus here, right? Well, we have. 00:40:18
University owned property, right? We have UV use but they they didn't they didn't do it by main campus. 00:40:22
We don't, we don't fit within the statutory definition. You've already listened to that one. It may change as UVU expands. Okay, 00:40:33
they have they have a large. 00:40:38
They have a lot of property in Vineyard. 00:40:44
Yeah, right now it's their athletics facility. 00:40:47
I think as some of the educational facilities. 00:40:50
OK, grow into the city that that'll change. 00:40:53
Interesting. 00:40:55
Perhaps in our legislative work we could. 00:40:57
Have that definition modified? We tried to get it by proximity because we the main campuses across the street from us, we do have 00:41:00
a significant student population that resides in the city and so a lot of the occupancy issues and we see a lot of the same. 00:41:08
Impacts that the university cities experience. Interesting. OK. 00:41:17
Yeah. And so as far as internal Adu's go, you have to follow the state standards, right? 00:41:22
And essentially if they can meet requirements related to parking and dimensions and building code issues. 00:41:27
Than most people would be allowed to have an accessory dwelling unit. 00:41:33
I guess the saving grace you can say whether you like or don't like Adus, right? Is that the primary dwelling you can require that 00:41:38
it be owner occupied, right? 00:41:42
External Adus is still totally up to you guys. 00:41:47
As far as whether or not you allow those, where you allow them, how you allow them. So we're talking about detached. 00:41:50
Buildings on the same lot, right? If you want to rent those out. 00:41:56
You can prohibit those throughout the city. 00:42:00
You can allow them throughout the city. 00:42:02
It's really up to you guys on that. And then also short term rentals. So with short term rentals we're talking about. 00:42:04
Umm, you know properties that people reside in for 30 days or less typically, right? 00:42:11
And you want to define that you guys have a definition of what a short term rental is in your local code. 00:42:16
It's important to make sure you do right. 00:42:21
And. But if you do, then really. 00:42:25
It's up to you how you allow those and prohibit those. 00:42:27
To your point earlier, right, like state law right now says that you can't enforce on a short term rental simply based upon. 00:42:32
A listing. 00:42:39
On like Airbnb or VRBO? 00:42:41
Those are short term rentals. 00:42:43
I saw that there's a bill that might impact that a little bit, right? Everything's just up in the air right now until the end, 00:42:45
until the middle of March. We don't know what the rules are, guys. 00:42:50
Which and and there's always talk, right? How do we address short term rentals? To what extent should the state get involved? 00:42:56
That's just an ongoing conversation, but as things currently stand. 00:43:01
That's largely left to you guys. How do you allow? 00:43:07
Any other questions from my understanding? I'm so sorry you guys. I'm sure you're all sick at me asking questions, but from my 00:43:10
understanding with Adus. 00:43:14
We used to be allowed to have. 00:43:19
Requirements to have one parking spot but I've. 00:43:21
Somehow I recall that's changed. 00:43:24
Yes, the state does identify that you can require parking. 00:43:29
You can still. Yes you can, but they set a limit on how much you. 00:43:34
How much additional parking? Yeah. Require. Yeah. What is that limit? It's one. 00:43:38
I think is A1. It is. It was reduced. 00:43:44
But I think I saw that. 00:43:47
Running around up there right now too, so. 00:43:48
But can't you then set the house limit and the Adu limit? 00:43:51
By house limit you mean how much parking is for the house and one for Adu? As of now, yeah. I mean you can set how many parking 00:43:55
spaces you have. There is a bill. 00:44:01
That was just introduced. 00:44:06
That may affect that as well. Parking is a big issue up on the hill there. I'm glad council members of Fuentes. 00:44:08
Raise this issue because it's an area of law where there's a lot of wrinkles. Yeah, and. 00:44:15
It also was an area of law that is. 00:44:20
Changing quickly. 00:44:23
Because I, I recall that we changed, we were forced to change something within our parking restrictions. So if we're allowed to 00:44:25
have that, I think it benefits the community. 00:44:29
I would recommend that. 00:44:33
This be taken up periodically by the council to make sure our ordinances are up to date. 00:44:34
And I. 00:44:39
Would probably recommend this year that we wait until after the legislative session and do it during that window between. 00:44:40
March and May when the new changes come into effect because I think the bill that. 00:44:46
Is currently being proposed. Has a lot of traction. 00:44:51
And we're going to see some changes in this area. Yeah, it'll change it. 00:44:54
Could we get that written down somewhere that we have that on our agenda? It's on our bill tracker. Oh, do you mean to reevaluate 00:44:58
it? Let's make sure we do that. 00:45:03
Yeah, we are always evaluating parking here in Vineyard. We never stopped talking about it, so. 00:45:08
In fact, we're talking about it tonight. Another exciting land use topic. Yes. 00:45:14
We're always trying to get them to allow us to have more. 00:45:19
OK, I will stop. 00:45:22
But maybe I'll call you later. Yeah, please do. 00:45:24
OK, this is great. No, thank you so much. All right. And then I did send, I sent the slides to Madison. So if she wants to 00:45:28
distribute those and like I say, call me if you have any questions. Thanks for having me guys. Perfect. Thank you so much. Thanks 00:45:33
for being here. 00:45:37
All right, I'm going to make a small. 00:45:43
Agenda adjustment. I'm going to go ahead and move to appointment and removals. 00:45:46
So. 00:45:50
Councilmember Holdaway had emailed me looking for me to send names. 00:45:52
A couple weeks in advance so he could do some. 00:45:57
Reviews of the appointments. 00:46:01
We weren't able to get those appointments until just recently and so I was going to put them to February 12th, but some were short 00:46:03
term and we needed to get them going. 00:46:07
Since you guys all know David Pierce, I. 00:46:12
Allowed for the Planning Commission to go ahead and move forward with my appointment on that one that you guys could review. 00:46:15
And then our youth Council Co advisor. 00:46:22
Appointment. 00:46:25
They stepped down. 00:46:27
And we had those applications running already and Alexa Datsun, if you guys remember her, was our youth mayor and she is back from 00:46:28
college and. 00:46:34
Applied. So we are really excited. 00:46:39
For that opportunity so. 00:46:42
I'm just going to do them in order. I'll start with Planning Commission. 00:46:44
And I will have my appointment is my recommendation is David Pierce. 00:46:48
And. 00:46:53
What I'm going to do is cash. Did you want to come in up and just kind of give an intro and then David, you can say a few words? 00:46:55
That would be great. 00:47:02
Yeah. I don't know if I have a lot to say, but David has been a great member of the public so far. He's come to a lot of our 00:47:10
Planning Commission meetings, always has great comments and feedback. 00:47:15
He submitted his resume a while ago. 00:47:20
Explaining his experience working in kind of the civic field before, I believe, being a planning commissioner in South Salt Lake. 00:47:22
And Salt Lake County. And so he has a lot of experience in this field. And so we're we're looking for people that, you know, have 00:47:29
that kind of experience and can bring that to the table as we deal with. 00:47:33
You know, a lot more applications of development going on in the Utah City development, so I'll let. 00:47:37
David, say a few words. 00:47:42
Thank you. I'm not quite sure what to say other than. 00:47:51
Few words. 00:47:54
I'm I'm open for a question. 00:47:56
I appreciate the opportunity to have the chance to participate in the Planning Commission. 00:47:59
Work and efforts. 00:48:05
I'm excited about that opportunity. 00:48:07
I. 00:48:12
That you all know. 00:48:13
Passion I have for Vineyard City. 00:48:15
This is my home. 00:48:21
This is. 00:48:23
The community. 00:48:25
That my wife and I bought into. 00:48:27
When we bought our home. 00:48:30
And that's what you do when you buy a home. 00:48:32
You buy into a community. 00:48:36
This community. 00:48:40
Has been. 00:48:44
One of the most exciting communities we've lived in because of the potential. 00:48:45
Because of what's happened. 00:48:50
Because of the priorities. 00:48:52
And because of what we look forward to in the future. 00:48:55
Thank you. 00:49:00
Well, I'm really grateful since the day you guys got here, I feel like you just showed up at a big volunteer activity where we 00:49:01
were cleaning the beach, and that's the first time I got to meet you. Was your. 00:49:06
Volunteerism and dedication to the community that you bought into. 00:49:11
And then your service in the community on communities that care and your dedication to what we've been doing as a community and 00:49:15
bringing people together has been really incredible and taking the classes and going through. 00:49:21
Learning all about all of the systems. 00:49:28
In our community is really meaningful and having that kind of knowledge that you can build upon, especially when going into zoning 00:49:31
and helping make sure that. 00:49:35
We're doing it right, I think is. 00:49:39
Really critical for our community, so thank you. 00:49:41
And with that I guess I need a motion. 00:49:44
For my recommendation. 00:49:49
I would just like to. I know I'm a process guy, but I found out about David last night. 00:49:59
And I didn't get the T. 00:50:05
Two weeks and I'd asked to kind of get to know and I understand it's that, but. 00:50:06
In the future, it's consent and an interview. 00:50:10
So that we can get to know, but it's nothing personal, it's just. 00:50:14
It's and a lot of times it's not me interviewing it, but it's. 00:50:18
Hey, can I coordinate that with someone that I agree with and get into the weeds? 00:50:21
And it just takes time so. 00:50:26
This. 00:50:29
I move to approve the Mayor's appointment to the Planning Commission as presented. 00:50:31
Thank you. ABBA first by Sarah. Can I get a second? 00:50:36
2nd. 00:50:39
All right. Thank you, Brett. All in favor. 00:50:39
Aye, any opposed? 00:50:42
All right. Second, we have our youth Council Co advisor appointment. Come on up. 00:50:45
I kind of already gave you a brief introduction, and so I'm just going to let you say a few words. We're so excited that you're 00:50:50
here with us. 00:50:53
Yeah, I mean, looking around the room, it doesn't seem like City Council meetings are a popular event for 18 year olds. But I'm 00:50:57
happy to be here and happy to be home. 00:51:01
As the mayor mentioned, I'm Alexa Dadson. 00:51:06
I'm a sophomore at the University of Southern California studying public policy with an emphasis in law. 00:51:09
But I'm back home for a few months, taking a gap semester, and I couldn't be back in Vineyard without having a good reason to keep 00:51:15
coming to City Council meetings. So. 00:51:18
Found myself an assignment to do and I'm really excited to get started. 00:51:22
I feel like I have a little bit of experience on sort of front end of public service doing volunteer work, internships. 00:51:26
Working on campaigns, but I'm excited to be on the back end doing a little bit of like mentorship and helping other young people. 00:51:33
Kind of trying to figure out what impact they want to have and how they can serve their city. So yeah, I'm excited to get started. 00:51:41
Thank you. And I can't say enough being able to watch you as a youth grow up. 00:51:46
And have you? 00:51:52
Have a desire to create things in the community and go out and start projects and then execute on them. 00:51:54
Was phenomenal and so to have you as a mentor for our youth to be able to. 00:52:00
Follow you in that pathway is such an exciting opportunity for our community. That is, you are the future leader of our community 00:52:05
and now you're back mentoring new future leaders. It's amazing. 00:52:11
OK, with that I just need a recommendation, I mean approval For my recommendation I move to approve the mayors appointment of 00:52:17
Vineyard Youth Council code advisor. 00:52:21
Alexa Datsun, thank you. Can I get a second? 00:52:26
Second. Second by Sarah. All in favor. 00:52:30
Aye, aye. All right. Thank you. 00:52:32
All right. I'm going to open it up to public comment. This is for anything that you guys would like to address the council that's 00:52:36
not on the agenda. 00:52:40
Pam, we'll set a timer of two minutes. 00:52:45
Can you raise your hand before we move on? Pam did. Were you going to do a swearing in? 00:52:48
Of David today, or is that at the Planning Commission meeting? 00:52:52
Did we need to swear in? 00:52:55
Both of them. 00:52:58
Actually, it'd be great. Let's go ahead and do the swearing in, yeah, And then we can get a picture. It'd be lovely. 00:53:00
Thanks for the reminder, Jamie. 00:53:15
Yeah. 00:53:17
OK, raise your right hand and repeat after me. 00:53:23
Aye, aye. 00:53:27
David Norman Pierce. 00:53:28
Having been appointed to the Vineyard Planning Commission. Having been appointed to the Vineyard Planning Commission, do solemnly 00:53:30
swear, Do solemnly swear that I will support, obey, and defend. That I will support, obey, and defend the Constitution of the 00:53:35
United States, the Constitution of the United States, and the Constitution of the State of Utah and the Constitution of the State 00:53:40
of Utah. 00:53:46
And that I will discharge the duties of my office and I will discharge. 00:53:51
Discharged the duties of my office. With fidelity. With Fidelity. 00:53:55
Congratulations. 00:54:00
OK, they want a picture. 00:54:01
Let's welcome. 00:54:03
And we have Janet taking pictures. 00:54:17
Jimmy, take the picture. 00:54:23
Yeah. 00:54:31
David. 00:54:48
All right, now we're back to public comments. Raise your hand if you think you're going to speak. 00:55:00
All right, come on up. 00:55:05
Well, good on Alexa. 00:55:18
And David? 00:55:20
They'll do a fine job. 00:55:21
I'm really impressed with Alexa. Young girl interested in public. 00:55:23
Affairs. 00:55:28
Thank you. 00:55:29
I watched the ATC active transportation. 00:55:31
Meeting last. I watched it today. I wasn't able to watch it last night. 00:55:34
Alyssa Diane Alyssa had an interesting presentation. 00:55:38
I agreed with some of it and some I did not agree with. 00:55:43
I do agree with her stating that medium density is good. 00:55:48
Is her best what she thought would be best? 00:55:52
And I just want to relate a personal experience. 00:55:55
My mother's family. 00:55:59
In Sacramento, early 1900s. 00:56:01
They built a nice big home. 00:56:04
Upstairs, 2 flats underneath. 00:56:07
Big garage in the back. 00:56:10
They had a cooperage. 00:56:12
My great grandfather built barrels. 00:56:14
Home based business. 00:56:17
She advocates for local businesses. I think that's a nice idea. 00:56:20
But you have to have room to have a local based business. I know you have your basement. 00:56:25
For your kitchen. 00:56:30
You have room. 00:56:31
There are not spaces enough for people to have local based business in their homes. 00:56:32
And storefronts here, the retail, the rental. 00:56:39
Leasing option is pretty. 00:56:42
You know, difficult. 00:56:45
So in some ways I agree, some ways I don't I. 00:56:47
Prefer medium density. 00:56:51
And then? 00:56:53
As going on with the active transportation they were talking about wayfinding. 00:56:55
They showed the signs. 00:57:00
I liked option number six, but I like it with the yellow sun. 00:57:02
And I think you should require that Utah City has the same wayfinding signs as the rest of Vineyard. Thank you. 00:57:06
All right, any other comments? 00:57:15
OK. Karen, is that you coming up? OK. 00:57:18
Karen Cornelius Phil is resident. 00:57:29
I shared a little bit with Sarah today about my concerns about. 00:57:31
Our City Hall. Our. 00:57:36
Whatever you want to call it because the name changed today. 00:57:38
And I think that was kind of tricky because I think perhaps residents reading. 00:57:41
Today's agenda may not have known. 00:57:45
That what was on the agenda to night was the same City Hall that we've been talking about for months. I think that was not a real 00:57:48
fair. 00:57:51
Assumption to. 00:57:55
Assume that we would all understand that's what it was. 00:57:57
But I feel like. 00:58:01
We are building backwards. 00:58:03
And we were promised all of this retail and all of this commercial in Utah City. 00:58:06
Which we all know would be a tax base that we heard are. 00:58:11
Redevelopment. 00:58:15
Agency Chair, talk about today. 00:58:17
We need that tax base. I don't know how we can commit. 00:58:19
To building something like that. 00:58:23
When the four years out, we're hoping Huntsmen will bring in the business. 00:58:25
And the related businesses to make that payment. 00:58:29
That is not common sense. None of us run our households that way. 00:58:33
And I think there are very few businesses that run their businesses that way. 00:58:38
We need to know where we are. 00:58:42
Before we commit. 00:58:46
We can't make a blanket commitment when we don't have. 00:58:47
An idea of where we are. 00:58:51
I, as a taxpayer, don't even know where we are today. 00:58:53
With our annual sales tax income. 00:58:57
I don't know what we could afford at this point. 00:59:00
On that, and I appreciated Sarah letting me talk. 00:59:02
It was online, but I still appreciated that. 00:59:06
We need to. 00:59:09
Excuse me? We need to be able to communicate these things. They're important. 00:59:10
And. 00:59:14
I have lived in California and I have seen many cities. 00:59:15
Who have filed bankruptcy. 00:59:20
For irresponsible actions like this. 00:59:22
And I would hate to see that happen here. 00:59:25
My neighborhood. 00:59:28
We have all probably built our last home. 00:59:30
And for us to find that our property values go down. 00:59:32
Because all that's being built is rentals. 00:59:36
That's going to become Rental City USA. 00:59:39
My other question about that is. 00:59:43
I talked to the mayor earlier in the year, last year. 00:59:46
About the importance of public safety impact fees. 00:59:49
And I feel like we will have a lot of public, public safety issues in that neighborhood. 00:59:54
But how much? 01:00:00
Are the developers paying? 01:00:02
And public safety impact fees over there to offset the costs that we the taxpayers. 01:00:04
Have already had an increase for. 01:00:10
These are legitimate concerns. They are not things where. 01:00:13
Picking apart anyone? 01:00:18
But this is good sound business. 01:00:20
And like I said. 01:00:24
I have lived close to two cities that filed bankruptcy in California. 01:00:25
It's not pretty. It's not pleasant. 01:00:29
Let's be smart. Thanks. 01:00:32
Thanks, Karen. I really appreciate your comments and I feel like there's some things that we can bring to the table that will help 01:00:34
clarify some of the comments that you had and some questions. 01:00:38
And Daria, I'll have to watch that. 01:00:42
At present, the presenter that they brought in and learn a little bit more about who presented to us. 01:00:44
Thanks for your comments. 01:00:49
I'm going to go ahead and move to mayor and council member reports, and I'm going to start with Sarah. 01:00:51
Um, so. 01:01:01
So this afternoon. 01:01:03
Marty. Marty let me know that I was. 01:01:04
Supposed to report on. 01:01:06
The legislative. 01:01:08
Bills that Utah. 01:01:10
League of Cities and Towns. 01:01:12
Is this was my first ever. 01:01:14
To to listen in on the legislative process and the bills that are being presented. 01:01:18
So it was very interesting and again, learning. 01:01:23
From or drinking from a fire hose so. 01:01:26
So there's a lot, Bear with me. 01:01:29
And I didn't have time to run home and grab my notes before I got here. 01:01:30
But there were a couple bills. I'll tell you the bills that they are. 01:01:36
That they are looking at right now. 01:01:40
There's 2 water bills. 01:01:43
And I don't know. 01:01:47
I'll get better at this. 01:01:48
Give me a couple weeks. That's OK. Mostly. Mostly what would be good, because we can post them is if you have the numbers, read 01:01:51
the numbers. 01:01:55
And then people can pull them up and but we can watch them too as a council. 01:01:59
So, umm. 01:02:04
And there's This really is the time for for feedback, for public feedback. 01:02:05
They wanted our input on how we feel about these bills and what we see and. 01:02:10
What could be better? What could be written better? 01:02:15
And so. 01:02:18
Anyway, there's a lot of interesting things coming to the table. 01:02:20
One in particular was the mayor recall election. 01:02:24
It wasn't actually received very well. 01:02:27
I've it seemed like. 01:02:30
If if that was something that wants that people want to move forward, it would need to include. 01:02:33
All elected officials. 01:02:38
Which I don't necessarily think is a bad idea. 01:02:39
There were voting revisions, amendments to election law. 01:02:43
Municipal governance modifications. 01:02:48
Zoning Amendments. Homelessness revisions. 01:02:51
It, yeah, there's a lot, there's a lot of people up there that are working to protect your rights. 01:02:54
And introduce things that we maybe haven't thought of before. 01:03:00
So it really would be beneficial if you guys have anything. 01:03:04
That's important to you? 01:03:07
To let us know and we can take it back to the league. 01:03:09
Because they they are our voice to the legislature. So. 01:03:11
Absolutely. 01:03:15
Just to give you. 01:03:17
An update as well on what Sarah's saying so. 01:03:18
We did have several of us go up and. 01:03:21
They have people from the city go and vote. 01:03:25
And. 01:03:28
The appointments for the city went and voted on the bills and made sure that we represented our city. 01:03:29
And we, what we'll do is actually post some of the numbers. There's a build tracker that they're following and we can post them. 01:03:36
And maybe Sarah, you can share it and you can follow along. And if you have any questions, it's a really good opportunity to learn 01:03:40
about. 01:03:44
What the state is doing and then as a city, how we can get involved together and be a part of it. 01:03:49
But this will go on throughout the session and Sarah and. 01:03:54
Our whole crew will be up there. 01:03:58
Monitoring it and watching it and we also are lucky to have staff that are watching the individual bills as well. 01:04:01
So what they do is we'll have a water bill and we have our public works and water people on it. 01:04:07
And then from a legislative perspective, we're on it. And so we come together and make sure that those bills are representing what 01:04:13
we need in our community. 01:04:16
And one of them that the Ombudsman talked about was well. 01:04:20
Maybe there's this new opportunity for how. 01:04:24
Our own code enforcement will start reacting and interacting with short term rentals. And so that might be something that's new 01:04:27
and it's interesting, it's been a topic that's coming up in the community. 01:04:32
So Sarah, you did a good job for your first time. Stellar. I've been here and watched many people give their first reports and it 01:04:37
was incredible. 01:04:41
So, Marty. 01:04:45
OK. 01:04:47
There was a comment from the public that said where were those bills be posted? And there is a bill tracker link. And what we can 01:04:50
do is have Sarah posted and so you can follow her. I can tell him where to find it. Oh, yeah, please. Thank you. So. 01:04:56
If you just Google the Utah League of Cities and Towns. 01:05:02
And bill tracker. 01:05:05
It's on their website and the way they list it out is they have the bills in. 01:05:07
In numerical order and then they have a position that the league's taking on each and you can link through it to the legislation. 01:05:11
Yeah. Thank you. That's really helpful. 01:05:20
Keiko had. 01:05:23
OK, so the school district update it's. 01:05:24
Nothing really changed officially yet. 01:05:29
We're still waiting on the to receive the completed financial study. 01:05:32
And then we've also been working with Senator Grover. He's working on some legislation that should be made public next week. 01:05:37
So that's really important to watch because it could affect. 01:05:45
Just details. 01:05:49
Logistics and administrative. 01:05:51
Things for the. 01:05:54
For the school districts and how we move forward. So it's a pretty. 01:05:56
It's a pretty big thing. 01:06:00
Also we have. 01:06:02
Representative from Vineyard. 01:06:05
As a resident, Isaac Hipple is attending the county meetings to help set up the boundaries. 01:06:07
For our voting precincts, for our future school board members. And so he's been really great. If you notice, I think he's been 01:06:13
trying to post online in those groups. 01:06:17
He actually was at a meeting tonight where they would be discussing more detail in detail. 01:06:22
The boundaries that they're looking at. 01:06:28
The the other thing was. 01:06:32
Daria gave a great report for me on the Active Transportation Commission. 01:06:35
It was umm. 01:06:39
Definitely. 01:06:40
You know, thought provoking. 01:06:42
Umm the umm. 01:06:44
There were some things that I thought were great points and other things that. 01:06:47
You know, I wouldn't agree with but. 01:06:51
It was great to hear someone else's perspective. 01:06:54
We appreciate her coming. 01:06:58
And I think that kind of sums it up. 01:07:00
Grocery stores still coming. Hudson still coming. 01:07:02
And. 01:07:05
We're just excited for. 01:07:07
Growth and development. 01:07:09
Perfect. 01:07:11
Brett. 01:07:12
So a few things. 01:07:14
Since my last report, I've had some more more training, one of the ones that I really wanted to call out with the. 01:07:17
I met with Josh Daniels earlier. 01:07:25
To learn more about the RDA, and I know RDA is something there's a lot of discussion about. 01:07:29
And. 01:07:36
When he was going through it with me, it was at least the third or fourth time. 01:07:37
That someone had explained it to me. 01:07:42
And there's a lot of complexity in there. 01:07:44
So it's something that I think I finally have a handle on. 01:07:48
And would love the opportunity if there are people who have. 01:07:55
Questions and and and want want to. 01:07:59
Ask me what my feelings about it are, I'd be happy to. 01:08:02
Have those conversations. 01:08:07
And then moving on, I did have. 01:08:10
An opportunity earlier to attend the Utah. 01:08:12
Valley Drug Prevention Coalition Advocacy Dinner. 01:08:16
Which is really targeted at. 01:08:21
The communities, the care. 01:08:23
Which we have our own staff for that. 01:08:25
And. 01:08:28
There were a couple of points that really stuck out to me. I mean, a lot of it was about. 01:08:31
Do drug prevention. 01:08:36
The two things that really stuck out to me were. 01:08:42
Making sure that we continue to collect good data. 01:08:45
Which we have, we have been, there's a there's a survey that gets conducted that. 01:08:48
That helps us know how we're trending. 01:08:52
And they can. 01:08:57
Break that down pretty granularly so we can see how. 01:08:58
Vineyard itself is doing. 01:09:02
The other that I thought was. 01:09:04
Fascinating and was very new to me. 01:09:07
Was just how important and critical having a Public Library is. 01:09:09
For these efforts. 01:09:16
And the reasons that they were giving. 01:09:17
In the in the data show this. 01:09:21
Is that? 01:09:23
People who struggle with any kind of addiction or are looking for resources, they have a lot more trust in. 01:09:25
Public Library facilities and librarians. 01:09:32
Than they do in law enforcement. 01:09:36
Or even healthcare. 01:09:38
And I mean, that is no slight to our law enforcement because I know that they. 01:09:40
Very much care. 01:09:45
But it was one where it was very clear just how critical that is to the. 01:09:48
Health of. 01:09:55
The the youth in our. 01:09:57
Community, uh. 01:09:59
And everybody else as well. 01:10:00
And then the last one is a little bit more unofficial. I got an unofficial tour of. 01:10:02
The construction site of the the apartments that are going up and. 01:10:09
And there is there. 01:10:13
They're pretty amazing. 01:10:17
Umm, they have units that cover a large variety. 01:10:18
Income levels, so the availability of housing that comes with those apartments. 01:10:25
Is pretty impressive. 01:10:30
They have everything from very small studio apartments up to. 01:10:33
2500 square foot. 01:10:37
Apartments. 01:10:39
And these are all in those units. 01:10:41
So the diversity that we're going to get and the availability of housing is pretty impressive. 01:10:43
And the other one that I thought was very interesting that you can't see from the outside. 01:10:48
Is that every single one of them has a courtyard. 01:10:53
With dedicated. 01:10:55
Use and only one of them. 01:10:57
Um, it allows cars to enter it. Most of them are for. 01:10:59
Some kind of recreation or specific purpose? 01:11:05
Related to that community. 01:11:09
And I and I just wanted to make sure I shared that publicly because the from the outside they kind of look like just big boxes. 01:11:12
And there's a lot more to them than than that. And I thought it was important that everybody here. 01:11:19
Exactly what's going on over there? 01:11:24
That's great. 01:11:27
Just for a quick update on, there's an item that. 01:11:29
We may be continuing. 01:11:32
Did you want to give an update on where you guys are with the subcommittee? 01:11:34
Sure. So. 01:11:38
Jake and I were selected for the. 01:11:40
Code of Conduct subcommittee we have had. 01:11:42
Some interactions on that in starting, some drafting. 01:11:45
Of of a revised code of conduct. 01:11:48
And we have some work sessions scheduled. 01:11:52
With each other, with, with, with Jamie. 01:11:56
And we've also seen some citizens reach out that want to participate, so we'll make sure that we include them as well. 01:12:00
Perfect. 01:12:07
Did you want to add to it or do you want to add that in your report? 01:12:10
Jacob Wood wrote 1 and Zacks. 01:12:15
I believe. 01:12:18
Forget his last name, Stratton. And I was like, great, let's have them be on the group and anyone else, I think any citizen that 01:12:20
wants to. 01:12:24
Chime in. That's something that's. 01:12:28
They're holding us accountable of SO. 01:12:30
Their city of what they want. 01:12:33
Did you have anything else you wanted to report on Jake? 01:12:36
Well, actually, I'll just make a quick comment before I turn it over to you. 01:12:39
I also wanted to say that Brett woke up really early in the morning. 01:12:42
And went and sent off the youth to the capital for local legislative. 01:12:48
The local legislative session. 01:12:53
To meet the local officials. 01:12:57
And then Sarah actually went with them. 01:12:58
And Marty's young child was there as well. So it was like a little piece of Marty was there. 01:13:02
But it was fun because Sarah got to take them and introduce them to our representatives. And Sarah, I didn't know if you wanted to 01:13:08
talk a little bit about that. 01:13:11
It was it was a rush. She went to many meetings. 01:13:15
The youth had a great time. Some of it was probably boring. They watched a lot of debates and heard a lot of policy, and then they 01:13:19
also had fun and heard some pretty. 01:13:23
Incredible keynote speakers. 01:13:28
But and also Brett also went to the Arch Commission. 01:13:31
And. 01:13:35
Sarah went to library and there's so many things that they didn't get to report on tonight, but I. 01:13:36
Have to say I'm just really grateful for the dedication that our council is taking to. 01:13:41
Make sure that. 01:13:47
Our Commission's committees, youth council and our team is having to really. 01:13:48
Move forward and and work on things. So thank you for being there, Jake. I'll go ahead and let you do your. 01:13:54
The rest of your report. 01:13:59
I'm good. 01:14:04
OK, I am going to go ahead and move us through the agenda and. 01:14:06
Let's see, we'll go to. 01:14:10
Eric, do you have something this? 01:14:13
This month or next month? 01:14:15
Next month, OK, Can I go ahead and get a motion on the consent agenda? 01:14:17
I thought we. 01:14:24
All the content agenda. 01:14:25
I know somebody wants to do it. 01:14:31
I move to approve the consent items as presented. Thank you. Brett, can I get a second? 01:14:33
Second. Second by Sarah. All in favor. 01:14:39
Aye. 01:14:41
All right. 01:14:42
We have another appointment, it's the North Utah Valley Animal Service Special District board appointment. This is an internal one 01:14:44
and it's just Eric Ellis will be representing us on the on the board if we need a resolution that just. 01:14:50
Adopts this. 01:14:57
Appointment as Eric as our representative to go over there and make sure those questions are being answered and things are being 01:14:59
taken care of. 01:15:03
So I just need a motion. 01:15:07
Is this a? 01:15:10
A long term appointment, Is it just who was it before and how long is it served? It's always it's usually staff and I usually just 01:15:12
have the city managers do it. 01:15:16
And then? 01:15:21
So now Eric here. 01:15:22
Before. 01:15:24
OK. 01:15:26
But I do need a motion. I can do it. 01:15:30
OK, I moved to adopt A resolution 20. 01:15:32
2025. 01:15:34
Dash 03 appointing Eric Ellis as representative to North. 01:15:36
Utah Valley Animal Services. 01:15:40
Special Services Special service district. 01:15:42
All right, we have our first by Sarah. Can I get a second? 01:15:44
Second, Second by Marty. This is number resolution. 01:15:47
So I'll go in roll call Jake. 01:15:51
No, no. 01:15:53
Brett aye. 01:15:56
All right. I, Marty. I, Sarah. 01:15:58
All right, perfect business item. 01:16:01
It looks like we're going to move the code of conduct. I was thinking we would move it to the next agenda. Does that work for 01:16:04
timewise timing? 01:16:08
I think we should be able to make that work. 01:16:15
All right. Can I get a motion from you? 01:16:18
Do you have any issue with? 01:16:20
Moving the no. 01:16:22
OK. 01:16:25
I move to continue the this item to the February 12th. 01:16:28
2025 City Council meeting. OK, first by Brett. Can I get a second? 01:16:31
2nd. 01:16:35
Thank you, Sarah. 01:16:35
All in favor, aye aye. 01:16:37
All right, we'll go ahead and move on to 9.2. That's our. 01:16:39
Parking permit program update and cash handsy will. 01:16:42
Talk to us about this resolution. 01:16:46
And this was a continued item for from January 15. 01:16:48
Perfect. Umm. 01:16:52
I just have a brief presentation here just to kind of go over the changes, so. 01:16:53
Last council meeting, you guys requested that we do a town hall meeting with just residents that could be affected by this parking 01:16:57
program. So last Tuesday. 01:17:01
Sarah and I and Jake met with them and had a good in-depth discussion on these changes and got feedback from them, and so I have 01:17:05
those changes presented here. 01:17:09
Well, this is quickly, this is the current program. We have kind of three programs we have for our 55 plus communities. This does 01:17:14
not impact them at all. 01:17:18
They will maintain with if they have requested from the Council. 01:17:22
To have no parking between 11:00 PM and 6:00. 01:17:26
It might be ten, 8:00 PM. I got that time around. 01:17:29
But there's no permits there, so just no street parking. 01:17:31
But what this does affect is what we're referring to as City Council designated amenity parking. So that's something that you'd 01:17:35
see on 300 Western near Loop Rd. 01:17:39
Where they have built in parking on on either side of the street or both side of the street. 01:17:43
Currently we allow 82 permits and we charge $60.00 that's prorated monthly. 01:17:48
And then the neighborhood permits. So right now, that's the Providence and Springs neighborhoods. 01:17:53
We allow one permit per household and that is prorated monthly. 01:17:57
So here's the updated program that we're suggesting after this town hall, our meeting that we held. 01:18:01
And that would be, I'll start with the neighborhood permits. I think we have some members of that neighborhood here. 01:18:09
That we met with and then got their feedback on. 01:18:14
And so one of the suggestions that they made that I thought was a good idea was to bump it up to three per household. And this is 01:18:17
in lieu of doing visitor parking or the ADA parking permits. 01:18:22
That I had initially suggested. 01:18:28
This just helps ensure that the residents of that neighborhood have enough parking if they do have visitors come, but it does 01:18:31
prevent people from outside of the neighborhood from buying those visitor passes and parking in the neighborhood. 01:18:36
We are suggesting a $20 per permit. 01:18:42
So if you bought 3, it would equal $60.00 and then it would have an expiration of one year after activation. So one other 01:18:45
suggestion that we're making is to move to this digital permit. 01:18:50
And in doing that, it does allow us to, rather than every year have to send out new permits, we're able to do it throughout the 01:18:56
year. When people need to pass, they can buy one, get it instantly. 01:19:01
And it will be valid for an entire year. 01:19:06
Moving on to the council designated amenity parking were yeah, sure. 01:19:09
You were able to fix the OR have a discussion about the. 01:19:14
Umm, if the program or the parking app goes down. 01:19:18
Yeah, yeah, I'll get to that in just one second. OK. Yep. Didn't want you to go past the digital. No, you're good. Just because 01:19:22
this other, this other past is impacted by that as well. OK. We reached out to our parking consultant on the current parking 01:19:27
status of 300 W and New Loop Rd. 01:19:32
And by their counts counts, they suggested that we increase the permit count there up to 110. 01:19:37
Last year we sold all 82, but it was at the end of December that we actually sold that 82nd pass. 01:19:43
So it shows that there is, you know, some market from that. 01:19:50
You know, we could have additional supply there. 01:19:53
And then we are suggesting to keep that at $60.00 per year to ensure that the supply is there for people that do need it. 01:19:56
So that would be no change to the price there and then that same thing would have an expiration of one year after activation. 01:20:04
And so this is where I get to the wide digital permit. We had some questions about that, how people will be impacted by that. 01:20:11
So I have a few. 01:20:17
Points here and I'll address that that concern you brought up. 01:20:18
But first of all, this has a lot more. 01:20:21
Reduced administrative time, so we have. 01:20:24
A lot of people were asking for a reduced price, but we've got that original $60.00 per year. 01:20:26
Just by calculating how much staff time was required for these physical passes and what we were doing. 01:20:31
But by moving to this digital permit, it eliminates a lot of that time. And so you know that that's by far one of the biggest 01:20:37
impacts of this. 01:20:41
But then #2 that's accessibility and convenience. 01:20:46
So right now, if you want to pass, you have to fill out an application, create an account. There's a pretty big process. 01:20:49
Then it gets to staff on a business day and we have to. 01:20:55
Verify everything and then we have to mail it out and you're getting your pass two 3-4 days after you've applied for it. 01:20:59
With the digital permit. 01:21:05
If you need it and it's 10:00 PM, you can scan a QR code, download a. 01:21:06
App and you're instantly have a pass. 01:21:10
One of the other benefits was that permits can be cycled through each year, so rather than a year to year calendar basis. 01:21:14
This will allow for instance, in like lakefront community where we do have a lot of college age students where they're moving in 01:21:21
and out more frequently throughout the year. They're not moving in in January, they're most likely moving in in July or August 01:21:25
during this, you know, before the school semester. 01:21:30
So this would allow those permits to cycle through. 01:21:35
At in the year when we need them, rather than at the beginning of the year. 01:21:39
Without doing digital, I don't think it would be. 01:21:42
Possible for us to do that? 01:21:45
So that's a huge benefit for those streets. 01:21:47
And then we had other people. 01:21:51
Ask us questions about the personal identification that's collected. 01:21:53
And we did verify with the Tone company you were able to delete everything. Once everything has been verified, you can delete. 01:21:57
Everything that you want. 01:22:02
And then the third I put on here, just at that last council meeting, we had a resident get up and explain some frustration dealing 01:22:05
with this app in the past. And, and I'll be honest, there probably will be some frustrations. 01:22:10
With technology, that's just what happens. 01:22:16
And I brought these. 01:22:19
Concerns to our vendor and they mentioned that they do have a 24/7 helpline. So if you are on the app and you're trying to switch 01:22:22
the license or the license plate to another person in your apartment or whatever. 01:22:26
And it's not working. You can call that helpline and they can. 01:22:32
Resolve the problem. 01:22:35
I also didn't want to mention that this company operates this digital pass in the city already. 01:22:37
Mostly in the apartments along Mill Rd. 01:22:43
And they told me that they have almost 80,000 active permits statewide that they are. 01:22:45
You know, handling right now, so it shows that it's a proven method and. 01:22:50
And while there might be some frustrations, you know it has been a success overall and one of the reasons why you switched from 01:22:56
visitor passes. 01:22:59
Umm, to just three passes is because there was some kind of fee? Yeah, yeah. So I talked to the vendor about that and they said 01:23:04
that just with every single visitor pass, they'd have to pay a fee. 01:23:09
As little as, I mean, it'd be $3, but if you're, you know, having to pay $3 over and over and over again, it would be kind of a 01:23:14
pain. 01:23:17
And so when I brought that up at this town hall is actually one of the residences like why don't you just let us buy up to three 01:23:20
and that could resolve that issue. 01:23:24
And I thought that was a fitting. 01:23:27
Action that we could do. 01:23:30
So that's all that I have. 01:23:33
Could you go back to the second? 01:23:35
Right there. 01:23:37
So is the. 01:23:41
My contacts are blue, sorry. 01:23:43
The $60.00 per year. 01:23:46
Still going to be a prorated option. 01:23:49
So that would not be just because we are having it be a one year pass no matter what, if you buy it in July, it'll be a valid 01:23:52
until July of the next year. Whereas before if you bought it in July, it would expire that December. So you're only buying half of 01:23:56
the year of a pass, but now you're buying a whole year. 01:24:01
No matter what, that's great at the town hall, how many people came? 01:24:06
Umm, 10 maybe? 01:24:11
Did we have multiple communities? 01:24:13
It was mostly people from Providence. I think there were one or two people from from the lakefront community there and you guys 01:24:15
felt like you got your concerns resolved. 01:24:19
OK. 01:24:23
Well, Council. 01:24:25
What do you want to do on this? 01:24:27
I want to tell Cash thank. 01:24:30
Thank you Sir for helping me too. 01:24:32
I want to make one comment just to make sure that we're. 01:24:38
We're clear for the Providence and Springs neighborhoods, this was a resident driven pass, right? Yes, they both were. So when 01:24:41
they were when they all signed up for it. 01:24:46
They understood all the guidelines. I think they'll be happy about the $20 per permit. 01:24:52
If something happens and they're uncomfortable with like the changes on the number of. 01:24:58
Per household, this is something that we can come back and change if we're learning that maybe it's creating too much. Yeah, like 01:25:03
if people were like reselling these or something like that, we got word of that, then, you know, we could definitely examine that. 01:25:08
Yeah, I think maybe there's a few things to talk about with how. 01:25:14
We should look at a. 01:25:19
Approaching this law. 01:25:20
It's that. 01:25:22
One of the things that we recommended to the community when we put it in was that we wait a year and we test it out. 01:25:24
I think that's in the actual. 01:25:30
Umm, Bill, right? 01:25:35
In the ordinance. 01:25:36
Or in the program. 01:25:37
I'm not sure it could be in the original one. It might be in the original 1. 01:25:39
Well, there's a few reasons. Because maybe we would only do it if we saw an egregious problem with it. 01:25:42
The city has the ability to go in and change the parking programs. 01:25:50
And then there's a supermajority that has the ability to change the parking programs. 01:25:54
This one is being driven by the community. 01:25:59
I mean by the city. 01:26:02
Correct. So this is a. This is a change. 01:26:03
So This is why we held the roundtable. 01:26:06
This is why we brought it up multiple times. We've talked about it for a year. 01:26:09
We noticed it. We put Flyers out there. 01:26:14
That's why when residents came in and said they wanted to talk about it, we slowed down and we held a town hall. 01:26:17
So at this point, if a big group of people came back and they said, hey, we don't like this. 01:26:23
I feel like we need to be thoughtful about. 01:26:29
Where your limits are for how you're going to change and flip flop back and forth and maybe give yourself a limit and say let's 01:26:32
test this out unless it reaches. 01:26:36
Some kind of level? 01:26:42
And if you don't feel comfortable with it? 01:26:43
Because you think it could reach some kind of level, then think about how you want to vote on it. 01:26:45
You know. 01:26:50
Well, yeah, that's a great idea and. 01:26:51
Also, we discussed the because if everyone in Providence bought 3 passes, there's not enough parking, correct? So they agreed that 01:26:54
it would be on a first come first. 01:26:58
Served basis and I think it's a great idea to. 01:27:03
To let it be a a year long. 01:27:06
Pilot program or programming? 01:27:08
If we need to revisit it, it's after that one year mark. 01:27:11
So if it's first come, first serve, how many would be the maximum? So I believe that in that neighborhood, we could safely park 01:27:14
about 160 vehicles. 01:27:19
Legally, I should say. 01:27:24
Which would be almost 2 per household but. 01:27:26
This last year when we sold permits, we only sold 42 permits total. 01:27:29
I honestly think there might. 01:27:33
You know a handful of houses that need those 3 permits. You know if they have, we have heard from people that said they have. 01:27:36
Eight kids living in a household, and some of them are turning to the driving age and they need a place to park. And right now 01:27:42
they're not able to do that. And somebody's like, yeah, I actually gave my pass to my neighbor. 01:27:47
You know, and so this hopefully resolves that issue for those homes, but I imagine most, most households would would be in the one 01:27:51
to two permits per household. 01:27:55
But this just allows that flexibility for the few. 01:28:00
One other thing we can do is we can monitor this as we, you know, as people buy permits, we can collect the data on how many 01:28:03
permits have been purchased. 01:28:06
And that will help us in the future understand, you know, it's. 01:28:10
If nobody buys 3 then it's kind of pointless but. 01:28:13
You know, if there still are quite a few that are, then, you know, I think it was overall a good idea and a benefit to the 01:28:16
community. What's the number in the Springs? 01:28:19
How many people bought them in the spring or how many houses there's? Yeah. What would the cat be? So I mean, there's 1919 houses 01:28:23
that could purchase it. As far as a cap goes, it's quite a bit higher just because they have that entire side that goes along 01:28:30
Freedom Elementary that is legal to park next to. So they could probably park well over three permits per household there. 01:28:36
OK, I wonder what? 01:28:44
So could you cap it? 01:28:47
What do you mean like the total number of permits? Obviously they're not going above 50. 01:28:51
But say something crazy happened. 01:28:56
Then maybe we should cap it at how many people could actually park there because then that would make a first come, first serve. 01:28:59
Yeah. So one thing that we're going to do on the on the permit application is it will say that that parking is not guaranteed. 01:29:05
Like street parking is not guaranteed, so if every single inch of legal parking stalls was taken up. 01:29:11
That permit you know they're not. 01:29:17
I'll be able to park with it. 01:29:19
I mean, I think that's the worst case scenario that that would ever happen. 01:29:21
I think right now that the neighborhood is operating pretty well. We even had somebody say that this drastically improved the 01:29:25
quality of life in the neighborhood. 01:29:28
With our current program, but this you know additional step would would just help with those few that do need it. 01:29:32
Which is awesome. But yeah, we're just thinking, Can you imagine if everybody suddenly started parking 3 vehicles on the street? 01:29:38
The drastic improvement is that they can park on the street, but also that there's a reduction of the people that were. Yeah. And, 01:29:43
and maybe this is something we monitor closely. And if we do notice and we hear from the residents that it is becoming a problem, 01:29:47
we could reexamine it. 01:29:52
In six months or a year and make those adjustments as needed. Well, I'm just saying even if you just keep this, if you just capped 01:29:57
it at 150 so that I mean it's not outlandish, but I think the hard thing for that is we'd have to do that per neighborhood, right. 01:30:01
So like for Providence neighborhood, we'd have to say this neighborhood going to be capped at this Springs is gonna be capped at 01:30:06
this. 01:30:11
And any, you know, if we look at, you know, holdaway fields as part of their development agreement. 01:30:15
They're gonna have to be capped at a certain number. 01:30:20
OK, well. 01:30:23
I guess, Council. 01:30:26
Do you have any other questions or thoughts or? 01:30:28
Where do you want to go with this? 01:30:30
Does anybody in the gallery have any questions I'd love to ask? 01:30:32
If they have anything. 01:30:35
If we can open it up if they had a comment. 01:30:37
Can we? 01:30:39
That's permission if anyone had anyone, it looked like the people that lived in the community said all of their problems were 01:30:41
resolved. Does everything. No comments on parking. 01:30:45
On that community. 01:30:49
Yeah, that's why I asked. Is it? Sure. I don't mind how many people want to make a comment. 01:30:51
OK, come to the microphone. 01:31:00
I I just want to remind you Crystal price. 01:31:09
I just want to remind you that before the program it was. 01:31:12
A neighborhood just like any other neighborhood. And Vineyard. 01:31:15
Where you could park in front of your house and we had. 01:31:18
Because of the locks. 01:31:22
We had. 01:31:24
Our streets lined with cars of people who didn't live in our neighborhood so. 01:31:25
It's kind of futile to me that you're discussing a cap. 01:31:31
On how many passes if it's? 01:31:35
Residents only that live there. 01:31:39
Right. Oh, yeah. It goes back to this like it doesn't matter if our it's first come, first serve, which is great. Thank you. 01:31:41
First come, first serve. 01:31:48
And if our streets are lined, so be it. We're the ones that. 01:31:49
Assign those parking passes to whoever is visiting us. No I love it. I was just thinking there sometimes when you get new people 01:31:53
that come in and they end up doing long term rentals. 01:31:58
Umm, to make additional funds they could take people's license plates and rotate them in, but even still, I would rather have that 01:32:04
one annoying neighbor who's selling passes. 01:32:10
Because most of us don't need them. I don't need any. 01:32:16
But we have neighbors that have 6 drivers and they have to borrow passes from other neighbors. If you, if you have to do that, if 01:32:19
you feel comfortable with it, I feel fine. I just wanted to make sure you didn't end up with that same situation I know you're 01:32:24
experiencing. 01:32:29
The races and the cars in the trash and on my porch at 2:00 AM. And if I do I know where they live and I will go chew them out 01:32:34
myself no problem. So thank you for having this. It was neighboring. 01:32:40
The locks, the locks and Tucker room and some solstice because. 01:32:47
They're really screwed in that neighborhood. 01:32:51
But anyway, thank you. 01:32:54
All right. 01:32:56
Council, go ahead and make your comments and make a motion. 01:32:58
I move to adopt resolution. 01:33:06
I didn't know we were done with comments. I'd like to make a comment. 01:33:08
I reached out to an HOA. 01:33:12
I Edgewater. 01:33:16
And they immediately just told me, no matter what, don't use this vendor. And that's the vendor that we're using. And then I 01:33:17
reached into it a little bit more. 01:33:21
On I think I talked to 8 or 9. 01:33:26
And they too said the app is clunky and has just a. 01:33:29
Just the onboarding process was just so problematic. 01:33:32
So that concerns me. 01:33:36
The other is a blanket. 01:33:38
I think we've solved an issue in one neighborhood, which is awesome, but the 300 WI would wish that we could exempt them from that 01:33:40
and do. 01:33:44
I don't think we have the HOA leadership in that group on board with that so. 01:33:48
Those are my issues. 01:33:52
But I think we move the ball forward on the others. 01:33:54
OK, I just want to thank Sarah for all your hard work. 01:34:00
And I'm glad for the community engagement. Thank you for coming and participating and. 01:34:03
I do think that each neighborhood has different issues. There are some neighborhoods that have. 01:34:09
Overpopulation and too many cars that make it hard for them to. 01:34:14
Safely navigate their roads. 01:34:19
But it sounds like for these two neighborhoods, this is a really perfect. 01:34:21
Set up an option. So that's great, and I've invited the HOA at Lakefront to come. 01:34:25
And discuss their situation with us. 01:34:31
So I'm waiting to hear back from them. 01:34:33
All right, we have a first motion on the table. Can I get a second? 01:34:35
2nd thank you. 01:34:39
First by Sarah, second. 01:34:41
And this is done by roll call Jake. 01:34:44
Brett, hi. 01:34:48
Aye, Marty. Hi, Sarah. 01:34:50
All right, Great. It's passed. 01:34:52
I'm adjourning this meeting. Thank you for coming. 01:34:54
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