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Call to Order/Invocation/Inspirational Thought/Pledge of Allegiance Chair Nathan Steele called the meeting to order at06pm and led the invocation. Presentations/Recognitions/Awards/Proclamations There were no comments.
Call to Order/Invocation/Inspirational Thought/Pledge of Allegiance Chair Nathan Steele called the meeting to order at06pm and led the invocation. Presentations/Recognitions/Awards/Proclamations There were no comments.
Public Comments PC There were no comments.
Public Comments PC There were no comments.
Consent Items 1.Approval of the Marchth,25 Planning Commission Meeting Minutes
Consent Items 1.Approval of the Marchth,25 Planning Commission Meeting Minutes
Motion: COMMISSIONER NATALIE HARBIN MOTIONED TO APPROVE THE MARCHTH,25 PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES AT07PM. COMMISSIONER GRADEN OSTLER SECONDED. ALL IN FAVOR VOTED YES: STEELE, HARBIN, AND OSTLER. THE VOTE CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. Business Items There were no business items submitted.
Motion: COMMISSIONER NATALIE HARBIN MOTIONED TO APPROVE THE MARCHTH,25 PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES AT07PM. COMMISSIONER GRADEN OSTLER SECONDED. ALL IN FAVOR VOTED YES: STEELE, HARBIN, AND OSTLER. THE VOTE CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. Business Items There were no business items submitted.
Work Session 2.The Yard Parking Management Plan and Traffic Impact Study
Work Session 2.The Yard Parking Management Plan and Traffic Impact Study
Community Development Director Morgan Brim provided an introduction on the item. He added the background of the parking management plan. Director Brim handed it over to the applicant.
Community Development Director Morgan Brim provided an introduction on the item. He added the background of the parking management plan. Director Brim handed it over to the applicant.
Karla Mata with X Development provided a presentation that outlined the requirements for the parking management plan and parking study. She provided more background on the site. City Engineer and Public Works Director Naseem Ghandour entered at12pm.
Karla Mata with X Development provided a presentation that outlined the requirements for the parking management plan and parking study. She provided more background on the site. City Engineer and Public Works Director Naseem Ghandour entered at12pm.
Ms. Mata provided a description and intent of the project and site. She included that the parking will be controlled and provided visual aid for what the parking structure will look like and numbers for logistics.
Ms. Mata provided a description and intent of the project and site. She included that the parking will be controlled and provided visual aid for what the parking structure will look like and numbers for logistics.
Chair Steele asked if the proximity to a university was taken into account. Ms. Mata noted that she was not sure if they compared it to other similar areas.
Chair Steele asked if the proximity to a university was taken into account. Ms. Mata noted that she was not sure if they compared it to other similar areas.
Ms. Mata continued to brief the parking study, preformed by Hales Engineering. She highlighted the standard operating procedures.
Ms. Mata continued to brief the parking study, preformed by Hales Engineering. She highlighted the standard operating procedures.
Commissioner Harbin asked what she meant by peak hours. Ms. Mata responded in discussing the expected circulation and uses. Eric Towner with X Development described methods for monitoring and enforcement during those peak hours.
Commissioner Harbin asked what she meant by peak hours. Ms. Mata responded in discussing the expected circulation and uses. Eric Towner with X Development described methods for monitoring and enforcement during those peak hours.
Chair Steele asked about the commercial use. Ms. Mata noted that she is seeing more services. Commissioner Harbin asked if they had any specific plans for the retail use. Ms. Mata said no.
Chair Steele asked about the commercial use. Ms. Mata noted that she is seeing more services. Commissioner Harbin asked if they had any specific plans for the retail use. Ms. Mata said no.
Senior Planner Cache Hancey asked about the leasing element and if the rent can adjust depending on the use. Ms. Mata noted that there is discussion occurring.
Senior Planner Cache Hancey asked about the leasing element and if the rent can adjust depending on the use. Ms. Mata noted that there is discussion occurring.
Ms. Mata continued describing other elements at play in the management plan. She also briefed their experience with a recent open house.
Ms. Mata continued describing other elements at play in the management plan. She also briefed their experience with a recent open house.
Commissioner Ostler asked about the numbers for the nightly stay only units. Director Brim briefed the economic development benefits of this, as well as the flexibility for visitors. Commissioner Harbin appreciated the oversight Chair Steele also appreciated this plan. He noted that we need to ensure it meets code.
Commissioner Ostler asked about the numbers for the nightly stay only units. Director Brim briefed the economic development benefits of this, as well as the flexibility for visitors. Commissioner Harbin appreciated the oversight Chair Steele also appreciated this plan. He noted that we need to ensure it meets code.
Director Brim noted that it is a development agreement, so it is its own zoning category. Chair Steele noted that it may be helpful to include context.
Director Brim noted that it is a development agreement, so it is its own zoning category. Chair Steele noted that it may be helpful to include context.
Commissioner Ostler asked about the timeline for construction. Mr. Towner noted that they have been through many iterations. He outlined the process and timeline. Director Brim added the city’s process.
Commissioner Ostler asked about the timeline for construction. Mr. Towner noted that they have been through many iterations. He outlined the process and timeline. Director Brim added the city’s process.
Staff and Commission Reports
Staff and Commission Reports
Director Brim provided an update on the Wayfinding and Active Transportation project. He added the open house is Aprilnd.
Director Brim provided an update on the Wayfinding and Active Transportation project. He added the open house is Aprilnd.
Adjournment Chair Steele adjourned the meeting at35pm. MINUTES CERTIFIED COMPLETE ON: Mayh,25 CERTIFIED (NOTICED) BY: Madison Reed, Planning Technician
Adjournment Chair Steele adjourned the meeting at35pm. MINUTES CERTIFIED COMPLETE ON: Mayh,25 CERTIFIED (NOTICED) BY: Madison Reed, Planning Technician

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	Let me know when we're good to start.	00:00:00
	Alright.	00:00:02
	It could be today. He's great actually. I don't know where the name tags are. I could have died.	00:00:05
	You're just like, yes.	00:00:13
	You should take that and like which you got it right.	00:00:14
	OK.	00:00:19
	Everyone, welcome to the.	00:00:20
	Vineyard Planning Commission meeting of April 16th.	00:00:23
	2025, it is 6:06 PM.	00:00:26
	We're going to start with the call to order invocation and Pledge of Allegiance. I will go ahead and get the invitation.	00:00:30
	Our Father in heaven, we are thankful for this day and we are thankful for this opportunity that we have to meet together.	00:00:38
	To assess the needs of our community, we pray that Thou please help us and be inspired.	00:00:43
	Uh, to be aware of the needs.	00:00:48
	Of our neighbors and those that.	00:00:51
	Work, live and develop here that they can, uh.	00:00:54
	That we can come up with a product that best serves everyone.	00:00:57
	Very grateful for.	00:01:01
	All of our blessings as we pray in the name of Jesus Christ, Amen.	00:01:03
	Mm-hmm. All right. That was a good place.	00:01:06
	I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America.	00:01:13
	And to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.	00:01:17
	Great.	00:01:26
	Thank you. Uh, we'll move on to item 2, which are presentations, recognitions and such.	00:01:27
	Seeing none, we'll move on to item 3, which are public comments. Are there any members of the public here?	00:01:33
	Going once.	00:01:41
	OK, seeing none.	00:01:42
	Uh, we're done after going one number four is consent items where we'll consider the approval of the March 19th.	00:01:44
	Uh, Planning Commission meeting minutes?	00:01:50
	Is there a motion to approve 7 minutes?	00:01:53
	A motion to approve. We have a motion. Do we have a second?	00:01:57
	Second. Second. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed?	00:02:01
	None passes unanimously.	00:02:07
	All right, well now, uh, we have no items in Section 5, so we'll move on to item 6.2, which is the yard parking management plan	00:02:09
	and traffic impact study.	00:02:14
	So first we'll hear a little bit from staff and then from the applicant.	00:02:20
	This is a work session, so there's no requested action other than just providing our input and feedback.	00:02:24
	Uh, thank you Chairman Steel. Umm, yeah. Tonight, umm, we wanted to, to be able to have kind of, uh, ju, just a presentation. This	00:02:32
	is gonna be an item that will be on for, uh, decision and, umm, in an upcoming meeting. So this is a, uh, a unique topic that	00:02:39
	would be kind of like our first one for the, the Planning Commission. We've done parking obviously a lot, but what the development	00:02:45
	agreement calls for is approval of a parking management plan.	00:02:52
	Uh, parking management plan would consist of kind of operationally house on a function. You do have short term rental units	00:02:59
	that'll be located in this you have apartment.	00:03:03
	Umm, units. And then there are also umm, they'll be ground for retail. Umm.	00:03:07
	Approximately 12,000 square feet. And so it's a it's a true mixed-use product.	00:03:13
	Umm.	00:03:18
	And, uh, and.	00:03:19
	And so the development agreement, umm.	00:03:21
	RE requires that they go through a property management plan.	00:03:23
	And then umm as part of that would be looking umm at a parking study.	00:03:26
	Umm and then make a determination on the number of parking stalls per unit.	00:03:31
	And also, umm, the overall parking management component of it.	00:03:37
	And what we've found in the past is, umm, developments that manages their, their, their parking.	00:03:41
	Umm, tend to not have parking problems and we've seen that even with our, a apartment just complexes on Mill Rd. This is a, a	00:03:47
	pretty good example being within the area where we've been able to see a lot of success with, with, with umm, uh, parking	00:03:52
	management. And as you know, where we have lots of owners, lots of investors, that's ten, that tends to be where we get a lot of	00:03:58
	parking problems because of the management part of it. And so that was something from the Planning Commission that was, uh, umm.	00:04:04
	A really important umm.	00:04:10
	Umm, component of when this went through the development agreement, Umm.	00:04:11
	Umm, ensuring that they came back to you.	00:04:15
	To to make sure they had all their umm.	00:04:18
	T's crossed and i's dotted and whatnot. So without any further ado, uh, well, if you have Carla Motta representing X development,	00:04:21
	that will go through a presentation.	00:04:26
	Thanks, Morgan. So Carla Mata ex development umm, you wouldn't mind pulling up my slides? That would be wonderful. Thank you. So	00:04:33
	this is basically a concept plan, umm, of of our project that's directly adjacent to Top Golf. It's the top of it.	00:04:40
	Umm. And so if you wanna go to the next slide, the whole purpose of us coming today is that the development require agreement	00:04:47
	actually requires us.	00:04:51
	To bring a parking management plan, umm, for uh, city approval and then it specifies we need to call out, you know, parking space	00:04:56
	allotment, uh, security provided account, towing enforcement and then signage.	00:05:02
	And then we are also required to provide a parking study that will help to determine any of the impacts on the city. And so that	00:05:08
	is why we're here today to go through that with you and and show you what the results are that we found and.	00:05:14
	And you know, I'll open up to any questions.	00:05:20
	Umm and we will provide copies for you to review umm after the work session so you can go in more detail.	00:05:23
	Umm so again, this is just a concept plan, but to be clear, we have worked with.	00:05:30
	Multiple architects, umm, that are very, you know, renowned architects.	00:05:36
	Umm, this last concept that we have is done by a group here that is umm, local to Utah and has done a lot of high density stuff.	00:05:41
	Umm, a lot of Salt Lake, downtown and and other areas. But they do understand the market.	00:05:51
	Which is really helpful. And so as you can see, we do have a.	00:05:56
	Umm, a concept here that does include the required commercial on the main level as well as the residential and and other amenities	00:06:00
	that I'll show you in a second. You can go over the next slide, please.	00:06:05
	Umm, you'll see from as far as I view it is it is a four story wrap. We are approved for up to 341 residential units.	00:06:11
	Umm, as we've talked to the different architects, as we talked to.	00:06:20
	Umm, developers that are very experienced in building multi family projects as we talked to our consultants and and engineers and	00:06:24
	so forth, we're kind of landing around the 300 unit again this.	00:06:30
	It will require us to go into full architecture, umm, once we get all of these final approvals with the parking management plan	00:06:37
	and everything, there will be a few dollars of capital to do that.	00:06:42
	At this point, umm, we're looking around 300, but there is some flexibility in.	00:06:48
	In that which is why we're seeking to discuss ratios rather than specific.	00:06:52
	Numbers. Umm, as Morgan talked about, we do have a requirement to.	00:06:56
	Umm in the development agreement to do at least 15 units.	00:07:02
	Umm.	00:07:06
	In nightly rentals and so that's taken into account of it's actually closer to 14,000 per seat as commercial space that that umm,	00:07:07
	we will.	00:07:12
	Be required to do what makes our project unique is that umm, not only is it a true mixed-use project, it will have 24/7 on site	00:07:16
	parking management completely controlled. I'll go a little more detailed on some of those controls.	00:07:24
	But umm, essentially, if there are not enough parking stalls.	00:07:31
	Uh, for the, the tenants, there will not be more leases. It will be that control, right? So that's, that's one of the key things	00:07:36
	to this project.	00:07:41
	You know the next one please.	00:07:47
	OK.	00:07:49
	So it's 4 levels of residential units, well and and the commercial on the main of course, umm with A5 story parking garage.	00:07:50
	And so that equates to approximately 414 structured parking. We kind of removed everything except for the parking, uh, garage so	00:07:57
	you can get a better.	00:08:02
	Sense of the enormity of the the structure.	00:08:07
	Umm, and where those amenities will go there? Also just wanted to point out that in addition to the structure, we have surface	00:08:10
	gold.	00:08:14
	So we do have some nose ups along 400 N.	00:08:19
	And then this one you can't see very well, but to the north of the parking structure, there are additional cells as well that will	00:08:22
	be available for residential use.	00:08:27
	Umm you can also see that umm where that the access point is.	00:08:32
	There, umm, it's intended that the security arm will go right there, so that there will be, uh, some queuing allowed.	00:08:38
	Also 400 N.	00:08:44
	Go to the next one.	00:08:47
	So based on our current umm breakdown of of the units that we have.	00:08:50
	Umm. We are proposing that about 386 of the 414 stalls would be UMM.	00:08:56
	Dedicated to actual residents only. Umm, and then a smaller portion would be short term parking.	00:09:02
	Umm for visitors for for commercial umm.	00:09:09
	And so a total of 14414 approximately. There's another 45 for residential purposes to the north.	00:09:13
	And then again the the short term parking.	00:09:19
	Umm, that would be off of 400 N so that gives us 56 total which makes the commercial requirements, so a total of 487.	00:09:22
	So underneath that you're gonna see a table that are is are the ratios we're proposing based on very lengthy discussions and	00:09:30
	studies that have been done by.	00:09:35
	Uh, parking engineers by parking specialists and consultants by umm, multi family developers by architects, engineers, so forth.	00:09:40
	So, umm, these are numbers that they all feel very comfortable with.	00:09:49
	Umm, based on.	00:09:53
	Other projects in Utah, throughout the country.	00:09:55
	And so that's what we're proposing today.	00:09:58
	As part of the Parking overall parking management plan.	00:10:01
	Yeah, of course.	00:10:07
	As as part of the study and comparing to uh.	00:10:10
	Benchmark community, for instance.	00:10:13
	Did it take into account the proximity of Vineyard to a university and look at other university towns?	00:10:17
	Only ask based off of the three bedroom 2.5.	00:10:23
	Umm, oftentimes and units like this, if it's three bedroom, good chance you're gonna get three students or three little fair about	00:10:27
	each other. Umm, I don't know that they necessarily we're comparing with other university towns because this project is not geared	00:10:33
	at all towards students. I realize you're not gonna completely procure that preclude that, but because of the rents, because of	00:10:39
	the way the the least way that the leases are being being controlled.	00:10:45
	Umm, with only certain amount of, of parking stalls that are issued per per uh, room or per per, umm, unit, it's gonna be very	00:10:52
	highly controlled. So umm, the chances that you're getting like 6 students in a AA1 or two-bedroom is very, very well. I don't	00:10:58
	know that it's possible honestly, I guess.	00:11:05
	Thank you. It's impossible to discourage, but it's organized in such a way that's correct. Why would any student want they	00:11:12
	wouldn't want to be there, correct. It's gonna be discouraging that.	00:11:17
	I mean, we look through the in the right, yes.	00:11:23
	No, thank you anyway. OK, so any more questions? No, you're good. You're good.	00:11:28
	Go ahead to the next slide, if you would. Umm, so we engaged hills, umm engineering, which is, you know, the, uh, a really great	00:11:33
	umm, parking and traffic engineer and based on their study that they did umm.	00:11:41
	We're showing that we are providing 66 more calls, more stalls than what the local data UMM comparables are, and 41 more than what	00:11:49
	the ITA recommendations are. The ITA recom ITE recommendations are are standard, umm, comparable through throughout the country	00:11:55
	for this particular purpose.	00:12:01
	Umm, you can go and go to the next one there Morgan, please.	00:12:08
	And then a further parking management plan. We engage in services of parking design group. Umm, you're probably not familiar with	00:12:12
	them, so we thought we just tell you a little bit about them.	00:12:16
	Umm, they've been around since the early 2000s and then they, they have offices in different parts of the country and even outside	00:12:21
	of the country and have done all kinds of work for, for different organizations. Umm.	00:12:26
	Both public and private. Umm, and we will make the parking management plan available to you as long as along with the full study.	00:12:33
	We just didn't want to.	00:12:37
	Go through every single detail with that, but we will definitely have that available for you to review on your own.	00:12:42
	And we'll have that in the it'll be in the back report when they come forward as a business item. Yeah. And I'm only gonna	00:12:48
	highlight some of the the items from the parking management plan.	00:12:54
	Just you, you can go through it on your own, but we are, we have laid out a standard operating procedure.	00:13:00
	Umm, this will obviously become more detailed as the A as we go through and complete final architecture. Umm.	00:13:08
	Umm, but you know, we'll make sure there are procedures.	00:13:15
	For UMM, ex. For entry, entering, exiting. For UMM monitoring 24 hours.	00:13:19
	Umm, for vehicle flow, for signage, security and surveillance, Umm they will have.	00:13:25
	Technology available to for, you know, as far as the commercial side, there may be umm, payment or there may be umm.	00:13:32
	Umm oh, what's it called?	00:13:42
	Umm.	00:13:44
	Anyway, there's there's different ways for controlling and and that will be all all umm developed as as heavy meters.	00:13:46
	Well, not parking meters, but umm, where if they they go in another featuring to the businesses and they'll be able to get a	00:13:54
	validation. That's what I was looking for. Oh, there it is.	00:14:00
	UMM. Also there will be UMM available customer service to help them will be UMM managing peak hour UMM issue.	00:14:07
	Umm. As you can see, I highlighted that one key issue is that umm.	00:14:15
	That.	00:14:20
	The leasing manager will make sure that parking stalls are adequate for each new lease.	00:14:21
	And if there are not enough thoughts left, there will not be no leases. So that's something that's really important to understand.	00:14:26
	I have a question, yeah. Umm, can you define a little bit clear what you mean by the traffic flow, flow and congestion control?	00:14:31
	Like what would be a PLA management?	00:14:35
	Plan umm. So as far as peak hour umm.	00:14:41
	I mean.	00:14:46
	Obviously.	00:14:46
	Well, here's the thing. There are going to be certain offset because when people are at work.	00:14:48
	Umm, and not gonna be using the residential as much, then there's gonna be more business. And so they're gonna offset each other	00:14:53
	for one thing. So that will be something to take into consideration. Umm, or can you think of any other peak hour issues?	00:14:59
	Yes, and 11 item that we discussed during uh peak traffic hours, uh, having, you know, there will be 24/7.	00:15:06
	Uh, staff, they're ready, ready to help and assist and, and, and enforcement's gonna be key there at those times that maybe	00:15:13
	necessary for them to leave the gate up where there will.	00:15:18
	Utilize maybe tech camera technology or RFID chip or something that alerts them to make sure everyone who's passing through	00:15:23
	quickly actually has a path to go through that, that they're not just letting people in that don't have an actual parking pass	00:15:28
	through. Uh, as opposed to waiting for that arm up and down during really High Peak, maybe between 5:00 and 6:30 PM, something	00:15:33
	like that.	00:15:38
	Thank you there. That's Eric with ex development case you're wondering.	00:15:44
	OK. Any other questions, comments about the slide before you proceed?	00:15:50
	OK, umm, all of the commercial that's gonna be on the ground floor, umm, you see that being predominantly.	00:15:57
	Retail and dining or would there be services as well? I only ask because like retail and dining would go till 9:10 PM. Sure it	00:16:03
	might be.	00:16:08
	Some of that going on with the residence, but if it.	00:16:13
	Uh, hair salon, Texas corporate, I think we're seeing more, we're gonna see more services, whether it be more office type use or	00:16:16
	umm, or SE or services that are not necessarily food.	00:16:21
	Especially because food can be complicated umm with smells going into the residential units and everything so.	00:16:27
	So I, I don't anticipate there will be many, if any, umm, claim uses or late night uses. Yeah, I'm not sure if this is part of	00:16:34
	your presentation, but I actually wanted to know that too, what the retail use is going to be here for. So you answered it a	00:16:39
	little bit, but do you have any specific plans already or I don't have anything specific at this time. Yeah, there are a lot of	00:16:45
	discussions that are occurring.	00:16:50
	Umm with our partner in this group we are are partnering with a umm a group that has done multi families throughout.	00:16:55
	The the country is very successful and and they also have a local footing here. So they have a really good.	00:17:02
	Umm, understanding of the local market as well. So we are in discussions with them.	00:17:07
	I I have a question for you. Umm.	00:17:13
	My question is about that leaking element, umm.	00:17:15
	Talk about bundling, umm.	00:17:47
	Umm, whereas, you know, it's kind of segregating them a little bit and you can add one dollar $2.00, whatever and then the pricing	00:17:49
	can more than dumping them. So that is a discussion that's occurring and that that's actually found to be pretty effective. Uh.	00:17:55
	Way to manage parking as well. So someone has to pay for that additional parking stall. It's not part of the rent. Exactly.	00:18:02
	Changes their their desire at times. Yep for sure.	00:18:08
	OK. If you have a question, thank you. Umm, and then some of the additional elements that are addressed in the parking management	00:18:14
	plan.	00:18:17
	Umm, it does umm, contemplate some technology and automation, umm, you know, some, we obviously are, care highly about the	00:18:20
	enforcement, umm, and making sure that they know we're serious. And so that's not able to be taken advantage of, umm.	00:18:28
	Umm, there will be clear signage and wayfinding umm for, you know, easy access to the and and exit to the different stalls.	00:18:36
	Umm, so these are all things that are addressed within the parking management plan.	00:18:45
	Umm, and then finally, we just wanted to bring up that we did have an open house, umm, back in February, invited residents that	00:18:50
	was, you know, published in the newsletter and in social media.	00:18:54
	Umm, we did get a handful and wasn't a huge turn out but we did get some interested residents which we loved and it was great	00:18:59
	talking to them we did.	00:19:02
	Discuss umm issues relating to the structure, parking, umm E scooters, E bikes, the trail along Geneva Road, and some of those	00:19:06
	related issues.	00:19:10
	Umm, truly all of the feedback they got about the structure parking was was really positive. We didn't get anything negative about	00:19:14
	structure parking. Think they liked the fact that it was gonna be a controlled.	00:19:18
	Umm scenario where?	00:19:23
	Where you know those?	00:19:26
	Again, the the 24/7 managed and controlled parking I think is really appealing.	00:19:29
	Umm, there was some mixed feedback about you scooters and E bikes. A lot of some people really love them. Some people are like,	00:19:34
	oh, they're just gonna be littered everywhere. You know, I think there's some things to consider umm.	00:19:38
	But the overall, I, we had a great time being able to talk to residents and about and get their feedback. So, umm, that's all I	00:19:44
	have for walking through this. We, we feel like you probably need to have more time to just read through the studies themselves,	00:19:49
	but we would love to be available to answer any questions.	00:19:55
	Umm, that you might have right now.	00:20:01
	Great, I know we.	00:20:03
	Asked a bunch of questions during this? Sure. Letting us interrupt umm, interviews. Have any other questions?	00:20:04
	Yeah, I've got a question.	00:20:12
	I appreciate this and the emphasis you're putting on parking.	00:20:15
	Uh, we really appreciate that getting it right.	00:20:18
	But umm, as far as.	00:20:22
	Uh, you know, nightly stays, maybe Cash and Morgan can confirm this with me and maybe the regulations are different with	00:20:26
	commercial and residential, but.	00:20:32
	Umm, as far as?	00:20:38
	You know the current.	00:20:41
	Uh, zoning.	00:20:43
	Only 30 days, days or longer is permitted in.	00:20:45
	Vineyard and see, we've got a hotel, uh.	00:20:50
	Uh, they give them a cool presentation a while back but it just extended stay hotel.	00:20:54
	And they of course have nightly and, you know, week long stays.	00:20:59
	Uh, you mentioned about 300 units and.	00:21:04
	15 of them.	00:21:07
	Will be may be a nightly rental option?	00:21:08
	Uh, how did you come to that number and you know.	00:21:13
	Uh, what is that?	00:21:17
	How does that work?	00:21:18
	Yeah, so that was the number that was negotiated during the, umm, the development agreement the city wanted.	00:21:19
	Obviously more umm, with, uh, with, with short term rentals, especially in this type of setting, they can be problematic in like a	00:21:24
	traditional single family neighborhood type setting. We saw that this is a great opportunity because it's highly commercial.	00:21:30
	Umm, and we, we need to add more umm, at full hotel rooms. That's something first from a lot of residents.	00:21:36
	Umm, you know when their parents come and stay, there's nowhere for the state, so there's.	00:21:44
	You know, sleeping at their house, you know, it's, it's nice to have to have that, that accommodation. We also get the transient	00:21:48
	room tax. So we do have that 1% adopted for the city because the county itself has the 1% adopted for itself. So we get a little	00:21:55
	piece of that in the county, but then we would get 1% of of the 90 umm re rental cost that comes back with the city. So that	00:22:01
	that's actually a pretty important thing. And then the more you add, uh.	00:22:07
	Umm, like tourism or people?	00:22:13
	Umm, kind of short term in this city, those are people that are buying goods. Umm, they're umm, yeah, they're yeah, they're going	00:22:16
	to the restaurants, they're going to Top Golf. And so we felt like this was a really good area to add in some accommodation use.	00:22:21
	And we also have the hotel being built too that I've got here. So it's kind of adding two different product types that umm, you	00:22:26
	know, fo folks can.	00:22:31
	UMM continues, but the, the, the number was, was mainly negotiated. I, I remember you, you guys feel like it might be a little	00:22:36
	risky to do too many short term rentals. I think the city was pushing you guys, I think for 30 initially. And so 15 was kind of	00:22:42
	where we set up. I believe they can.	00:22:47
	Do more if it turns into a six. So if you're gonna own them still correct that'll be a single owner. But what's nice is that this	00:22:52
	24 hour, umm, leather structure. Yeah, yeah, they're they're they're they're they're service.	00:22:58
	Management very helpful and see we're not into babysitting you guys as far as your lease length.	00:23:04
	Right. I mean, you can do whatever you prefer to do. Maybe someone wants to sign a six month contract or one month deal.	00:23:14
	You could do that and this 15 is.	00:23:21
	Maybe designated for, yeah, a nightly rental option.	00:23:26
	OK.	00:23:33
	OK.	00:23:35
	You have anything now with?	00:23:36
	I don't have a lot. I actually didn't read this before, but the presentation help. I didn't have a lot of context with when this	00:23:38
	project was started. I wasn't on Planning Commission so I don't have as much context on it. It was really helpful. Umm, I would	00:23:42
	like to still.	00:23:47
	Do more.	00:23:51
	Uh, reading on it, but I think at first slash that's all incredibly helpful and.	00:23:53
	Umm, mostly excited about the oversight. There's a lot of oversight with this, yeah.	00:23:59
	Which is probably why you had such a positive reaction from the public, because we just see really.	00:24:04
	Invested owners to stay and take great care of what they built. So sure not it.	00:24:09
	OK. Umm, overall, yeah, very supportive when you say that we need a parking management plan.	00:24:15
	Nail nailed it. Like I think this is exactly uh.	00:24:22
	Quiet, uh, fiddle City leadership is asking for SO.	00:24:25
	Well then, that's incredible. Umm, one thing I just wanna make sure we address.	00:24:29
	When it does come for approval.	00:24:33
	Is umm.	00:24:35
	They they say that that the parking stalls are 66 above and beyond. Well, that is how far just wanna make sure it's also above and	00:24:37
	beyond what code calls for. I know it is, but we'll just wanna make sure we put that there unless for some reason.	00:24:44
	Because it's part of a development agreement. It doesn't necessarily apply. Yeah, it it doesn't because it's a development	00:24:52
	agreement.	00:24:55
	The the the the push was to have them submit a parking management plan to account for the next use nature of the of the site and	00:24:59
	also the short term rentals.	00:25:03
	And so, umm, it, it, it's kind of, it's a little like zoning category where, where basically we're able to help improve something	00:25:08
	very specific like the Planning Commission. So I would to get out ahead of it because when this does come for approval, there may	00:25:14
	be more in the audience. It might be worth having a slide just getting the background on why. Sure. That needs to be a unique case	00:25:20
	just to so everyone gets that. That's correct. Mm-hmm. OK. That's for sure. And we are planning back in two weeks. So we'll see	00:25:25
	you then.	00:25:31
	Oh this is fantastic, very well done and I have.	00:25:38
	No really other thoughts. I can't believe that you did a great job. He asked really good questions. He was laying on something so	00:25:42
	awesome. Hey and as far as the.	00:25:48
	Starting the construction process when you guys.	00:25:55
	Activate that you want to pick a better.	00:25:59
	Yeah. So we've been through almost.	00:26:04
	6 or 7.	00:26:06
	Iterations concepts to come to this point to approximately 302 units.	00:26:08
	It's been a great deal of of of time and and and resources to.	00:26:13
	Actually get this right, We feel like this is kind of like.	00:26:17
	The crown jewel of our project is the last piece that we have left to develop that we that we need final approvals on. From there,	00:26:21
	architecture takes about.	00:26:24
	Six to seven months from this point that we have right now.	00:26:28
	So we're finished with the civil engineering for for the site itself.	00:26:31
	That could be incorporated if this gets adopted and approved in the, in the, umm, parking, parking management plan, Then we can	00:26:35
	move forward with architecture for vertical, uh, design and engineering. That'll take about six to seven months and then we could	00:26:39
	break around from there.	00:26:44
	Yeah, So what What you'll see is if approved in the next meeting, the parking umm, management plan, then they would move forward	00:26:49
	with the official site plan.	00:26:53
	Baggage proved and then they got going from it. So from a city process, those are kind of the three, uh, major steps.	00:26:58
	Yeah, alright.	00:27:06
	Thank you. OK.	00:27:07
	Members of the public, any summit OK.	00:27:09
	Wonderful.	00:27:13
	Umm, that brings us to our next item number seven, Staff and Commission reports. First, any members of the Commission have	00:27:15
	anything to report?	00:27:18
	None.	00:27:23
	Umm staff, is there anything worth showing? Yeah, so umm, we're currently working on a master plan for, umm, we call it the.	00:27:24
	Umm, I changed my time. It's a what umm project it's way finding active transportation.	00:27:32
	Umm, master plan, and that's essentially for Mill Rd.	00:27:40
	It's it'll be updating our current active transportation master plan, but looking at Mill Rd. specifically and kind of the the.	00:27:44
	Adjacent roads to it 400 N umm more center St. comes into the city and trying to make that just a a safer place for uh.	00:27:51
	Umm, a cyclist.	00:27:58
	Umm, uh, folks walking. We do have a lot of school kids from that area that do do walk over.	00:28:01
	And so, umm, very few crossings, the roads are, are just, the lands are fairly wide. It's market 35, uh, constantly we're seeing	00:28:06
	45 to 50 miles an hour. It's kind of an average.	00:28:12
	And so, umm, looking at trying to slow traffic, make it more manageable, safer and provide more appropriate crops in places for,	00:28:17
	umm, for residents just across back and forth. We will have a major university there. So just imagine the number of people biking	00:28:24
	and walking that's gonna, mm-hmm, go 1010 fold. And so we, we really do need to account for that.	00:28:30
	Umm, also it's a selfishly economic involvement wise. We wanna provide a lot of crossing for the students to get over and, and to	00:28:36
	get into the restaurants at the origin that, uh, the, the yard site as well. So I'm trying to capitalize on having a lot of	00:28:41
	students in the city and we, we hope to do so. So April 22nd is the open house that will be at the clubhouse at the Edgewater	00:28:46
	clubhouse.	00:28:52
	6:00 PM.	00:28:57
	Umm love to, to have have you guys in any residence there. It's been umm posted in and out. So I'll be umm a good opportunity to	00:28:58
	come and it'll be staff has been working with Ave. consultants, uh, one of our planning consulting groups on, on developing some	00:29:05
	concepts. So give us feedback. What's that date one more time, umm, April 22nd.	00:29:11
	April 22nd Open House 4.	00:29:18
	So yeah, you have a watch from.	00:29:22
	What? So yeah, I, I, I would look at it just to it's, umm, Mill Mill Rd. active transportation planning, you know, that's that,	00:29:25
	that's basically like the main, umm, crux of it. So.	00:29:30
	That's really exciting. That's a huge piece. I mean, I know just from my household alone we would spend more money up there if I	00:29:36
	could safely spend my children.	00:29:40
	With the money out there.	00:29:45
	Yeah, it's OK. I'm talking with with Marnie, Her her children go to Maverick. And so she's expressed that that concerns her. You	00:29:46
	know, that 15 year old works at Chevy's and Ryan's computer. And I'm just like, please. So yeah, we're we're gonna make it safe	00:29:52
	for him. Yeah, that's great. Love it.	00:29:57
	Alright, thank you.	00:30:05
	Uh, that brings us to item number 8, which is.	00:30:06
	Sure.	00:30:09
	We're adjourned. Thanks everyone.	00:30:10
	Thank you.	00:30:13

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	Let me know when we're good to start.	00:00:00
	Alright.	00:00:02
	It could be today. He's great actually. I don't know where the name tags are. I could have died.	00:00:05
	You're just like, yes.	00:00:13
	You should take that and like which you got it right.	00:00:14
	OK.	00:00:19
	Everyone, welcome to the.	00:00:20
	Vineyard Planning Commission meeting of April 16th.	00:00:23
	2025, it is 6:06 PM.	00:00:26
	We're going to start with the call to order invocation and Pledge of Allegiance. I will go ahead and get the invitation.	00:00:30
	Our Father in heaven, we are thankful for this day and we are thankful for this opportunity that we have to meet together.	00:00:38
	To assess the needs of our community, we pray that Thou please help us and be inspired.	00:00:43
	Uh, to be aware of the needs.	00:00:48
	Of our neighbors and those that.	00:00:51
	Work, live and develop here that they can, uh.	00:00:54
	That we can come up with a product that best serves everyone.	00:00:57
	Very grateful for.	00:01:01
	All of our blessings as we pray in the name of Jesus Christ, Amen.	00:01:03
	Mm-hmm. All right. That was a good place.	00:01:06
	I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America.	00:01:13
	And to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.	00:01:17
	Great.	00:01:26
	Thank you. Uh, we'll move on to item 2, which are presentations, recognitions and such.	00:01:27
	Seeing none, we'll move on to item 3, which are public comments. Are there any members of the public here?	00:01:33
	Going once.	00:01:41
	OK, seeing none.	00:01:42
	Uh, we're done after going one number four is consent items where we'll consider the approval of the March 19th.	00:01:44
	Uh, Planning Commission meeting minutes?	00:01:50
	Is there a motion to approve 7 minutes?	00:01:53
	A motion to approve. We have a motion. Do we have a second?	00:01:57
	Second. Second. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed?	00:02:01
	None passes unanimously.	00:02:07
	All right, well now, uh, we have no items in Section 5, so we'll move on to item 6.2, which is the yard parking management plan	00:02:09
	and traffic impact study.	00:02:14
	So first we'll hear a little bit from staff and then from the applicant.	00:02:20
	This is a work session, so there's no requested action other than just providing our input and feedback.	00:02:24
	Uh, thank you Chairman Steel. Umm, yeah. Tonight, umm, we wanted to, to be able to have kind of, uh, ju, just a presentation. This	00:02:32
	is gonna be an item that will be on for, uh, decision and, umm, in an upcoming meeting. So this is a, uh, a unique topic that	00:02:39
	would be kind of like our first one for the, the Planning Commission. We've done parking obviously a lot, but what the development	00:02:45
	agreement calls for is approval of a parking management plan.	00:02:52
	Uh, parking management plan would consist of kind of operationally house on a function. You do have short term rental units	00:02:59
	that'll be located in this you have apartment.	00:03:03
	Umm, units. And then there are also umm, they'll be ground for retail. Umm.	00:03:07
	Approximately 12,000 square feet. And so it's a it's a true mixed-use product.	00:03:13
	Umm.	00:03:18
	And, uh, and.	00:03:19
	And so the development agreement, umm.	00:03:21
	RE requires that they go through a property management plan.	00:03:23
	And then umm as part of that would be looking umm at a parking study.	00:03:26
	Umm and then make a determination on the number of parking stalls per unit.	00:03:31
	And also, umm, the overall parking management component of it.	00:03:37
	And what we've found in the past is, umm, developments that manages their, their, their parking.	00:03:41
	Umm, tend to not have parking problems and we've seen that even with our, a apartment just complexes on Mill Rd. This is a, a	00:03:47
	pretty good example being within the area where we've been able to see a lot of success with, with, with umm, uh, parking	00:03:52
	management. And as you know, where we have lots of owners, lots of investors, that's ten, that tends to be where we get a lot of	00:03:58
	parking problems because of the management part of it. And so that was something from the Planning Commission that was, uh, umm.	00:04:04
	A really important umm.	00:04:10
	Umm, component of when this went through the development agreement, Umm.	00:04:11
	Umm, ensuring that they came back to you.	00:04:15
	To to make sure they had all their umm.	00:04:18
	T's crossed and i's dotted and whatnot. So without any further ado, uh, well, if you have Carla Motta representing X development,	00:04:21
	that will go through a presentation.	00:04:26
	Thanks, Morgan. So Carla Mata ex development umm, you wouldn't mind pulling up my slides? That would be wonderful. Thank you. So	00:04:33
	this is basically a concept plan, umm, of of our project that's directly adjacent to Top Golf. It's the top of it.	00:04:40
	Umm. And so if you wanna go to the next slide, the whole purpose of us coming today is that the development require agreement	00:04:47
	actually requires us.	00:04:51
	To bring a parking management plan, umm, for uh, city approval and then it specifies we need to call out, you know, parking space	00:04:56
	allotment, uh, security provided account, towing enforcement and then signage.	00:05:02
	And then we are also required to provide a parking study that will help to determine any of the impacts on the city. And so that	00:05:08
	is why we're here today to go through that with you and and show you what the results are that we found and.	00:05:14
	And you know, I'll open up to any questions.	00:05:20
	Umm and we will provide copies for you to review umm after the work session so you can go in more detail.	00:05:23
	Umm so again, this is just a concept plan, but to be clear, we have worked with.	00:05:30
	Multiple architects, umm, that are very, you know, renowned architects.	00:05:36
	Umm, this last concept that we have is done by a group here that is umm, local to Utah and has done a lot of high density stuff.	00:05:41
	Umm, a lot of Salt Lake, downtown and and other areas. But they do understand the market.	00:05:51
	Which is really helpful. And so as you can see, we do have a.	00:05:56
	Umm, a concept here that does include the required commercial on the main level as well as the residential and and other amenities	00:06:00
	that I'll show you in a second. You can go over the next slide, please.	00:06:05
	Umm, you'll see from as far as I view it is it is a four story wrap. We are approved for up to 341 residential units.	00:06:11
	Umm, as we've talked to the different architects, as we talked to.	00:06:20
	Umm, developers that are very experienced in building multi family projects as we talked to our consultants and and engineers and	00:06:24
	so forth, we're kind of landing around the 300 unit again this.	00:06:30
	It will require us to go into full architecture, umm, once we get all of these final approvals with the parking management plan	00:06:37
	and everything, there will be a few dollars of capital to do that.	00:06:42
	At this point, umm, we're looking around 300, but there is some flexibility in.	00:06:48
	In that which is why we're seeking to discuss ratios rather than specific.	00:06:52
	Numbers. Umm, as Morgan talked about, we do have a requirement to.	00:06:56
	Umm in the development agreement to do at least 15 units.	00:07:02
	Umm.	00:07:06
	In nightly rentals and so that's taken into account of it's actually closer to 14,000 per seat as commercial space that that umm,	00:07:07
	we will.	00:07:12
	Be required to do what makes our project unique is that umm, not only is it a true mixed-use project, it will have 24/7 on site	00:07:16
	parking management completely controlled. I'll go a little more detailed on some of those controls.	00:07:24
	But umm, essentially, if there are not enough parking stalls.	00:07:31
	Uh, for the, the tenants, there will not be more leases. It will be that control, right? So that's, that's one of the key things	00:07:36
	to this project.	00:07:41
	You know the next one please.	00:07:47
	OK.	00:07:49
	So it's 4 levels of residential units, well and and the commercial on the main of course, umm with A5 story parking garage.	00:07:50
	And so that equates to approximately 414 structured parking. We kind of removed everything except for the parking, uh, garage so	00:07:57
	you can get a better.	00:08:02
	Sense of the enormity of the the structure.	00:08:07
	Umm, and where those amenities will go there? Also just wanted to point out that in addition to the structure, we have surface	00:08:10
	gold.	00:08:14
	So we do have some nose ups along 400 N.	00:08:19
	And then this one you can't see very well, but to the north of the parking structure, there are additional cells as well that will	00:08:22
	be available for residential use.	00:08:27
	Umm you can also see that umm where that the access point is.	00:08:32
	There, umm, it's intended that the security arm will go right there, so that there will be, uh, some queuing allowed.	00:08:38
	Also 400 N.	00:08:44
	Go to the next one.	00:08:47
	So based on our current umm breakdown of of the units that we have.	00:08:50
	Umm. We are proposing that about 386 of the 414 stalls would be UMM.	00:08:56
	Dedicated to actual residents only. Umm, and then a smaller portion would be short term parking.	00:09:02
	Umm for visitors for for commercial umm.	00:09:09
	And so a total of 14414 approximately. There's another 45 for residential purposes to the north.	00:09:13
	And then again the the short term parking.	00:09:19
	Umm, that would be off of 400 N so that gives us 56 total which makes the commercial requirements, so a total of 487.	00:09:22
	So underneath that you're gonna see a table that are is are the ratios we're proposing based on very lengthy discussions and	00:09:30
	studies that have been done by.	00:09:35
	Uh, parking engineers by parking specialists and consultants by umm, multi family developers by architects, engineers, so forth.	00:09:40
	So, umm, these are numbers that they all feel very comfortable with.	00:09:49
	Umm, based on.	00:09:53
	Other projects in Utah, throughout the country.	00:09:55
	And so that's what we're proposing today.	00:09:58
	As part of the Parking overall parking management plan.	00:10:01
	Yeah, of course.	00:10:07
	As as part of the study and comparing to uh.	00:10:10
	Benchmark community, for instance.	00:10:13
	Did it take into account the proximity of Vineyard to a university and look at other university towns?	00:10:17
	Only ask based off of the three bedroom 2.5.	00:10:23
	Umm, oftentimes and units like this, if it's three bedroom, good chance you're gonna get three students or three little fair about	00:10:27
	each other. Umm, I don't know that they necessarily we're comparing with other university towns because this project is not geared	00:10:33
	at all towards students. I realize you're not gonna completely procure that preclude that, but because of the rents, because of	00:10:39
	the way the the least way that the leases are being being controlled.	00:10:45
	Umm, with only certain amount of, of parking stalls that are issued per per uh, room or per per, umm, unit, it's gonna be very	00:10:52
	highly controlled. So umm, the chances that you're getting like 6 students in a AA1 or two-bedroom is very, very well. I don't	00:10:58
	know that it's possible honestly, I guess.	00:11:05
	Thank you. It's impossible to discourage, but it's organized in such a way that's correct. Why would any student want they	00:11:12
	wouldn't want to be there, correct. It's gonna be discouraging that.	00:11:17
	I mean, we look through the in the right, yes.	00:11:23
	No, thank you anyway. OK, so any more questions? No, you're good. You're good.	00:11:28
	Go ahead to the next slide, if you would. Umm, so we engaged hills, umm engineering, which is, you know, the, uh, a really great	00:11:33
	umm, parking and traffic engineer and based on their study that they did umm.	00:11:41
	We're showing that we are providing 66 more calls, more stalls than what the local data UMM comparables are, and 41 more than what	00:11:49
	the ITA recommendations are. The ITA recom ITE recommendations are are standard, umm, comparable through throughout the country	00:11:55
	for this particular purpose.	00:12:01
	Umm, you can go and go to the next one there Morgan, please.	00:12:08
	And then a further parking management plan. We engage in services of parking design group. Umm, you're probably not familiar with	00:12:12
	them, so we thought we just tell you a little bit about them.	00:12:16
	Umm, they've been around since the early 2000s and then they, they have offices in different parts of the country and even outside	00:12:21
	of the country and have done all kinds of work for, for different organizations. Umm.	00:12:26
	Both public and private. Umm, and we will make the parking management plan available to you as long as along with the full study.	00:12:33
	We just didn't want to.	00:12:37
	Go through every single detail with that, but we will definitely have that available for you to review on your own.	00:12:42
	And we'll have that in the it'll be in the back report when they come forward as a business item. Yeah. And I'm only gonna	00:12:48
	highlight some of the the items from the parking management plan.	00:12:54
	Just you, you can go through it on your own, but we are, we have laid out a standard operating procedure.	00:13:00
	Umm, this will obviously become more detailed as the A as we go through and complete final architecture. Umm.	00:13:08
	Umm, but you know, we'll make sure there are procedures.	00:13:15
	For UMM, ex. For entry, entering, exiting. For UMM monitoring 24 hours.	00:13:19
	Umm, for vehicle flow, for signage, security and surveillance, Umm they will have.	00:13:25
	Technology available to for, you know, as far as the commercial side, there may be umm, payment or there may be umm.	00:13:32
	Umm oh, what's it called?	00:13:42
	Umm.	00:13:44
	Anyway, there's there's different ways for controlling and and that will be all all umm developed as as heavy meters.	00:13:46
	Well, not parking meters, but umm, where if they they go in another featuring to the businesses and they'll be able to get a	00:13:54
	validation. That's what I was looking for. Oh, there it is.	00:14:00
	UMM. Also there will be UMM available customer service to help them will be UMM managing peak hour UMM issue.	00:14:07
	Umm. As you can see, I highlighted that one key issue is that umm.	00:14:15
	That.	00:14:20
	The leasing manager will make sure that parking stalls are adequate for each new lease.	00:14:21
	And if there are not enough thoughts left, there will not be no leases. So that's something that's really important to understand.	00:14:26
	I have a question, yeah. Umm, can you define a little bit clear what you mean by the traffic flow, flow and congestion control?	00:14:31
	Like what would be a PLA management?	00:14:35
	Plan umm. So as far as peak hour umm.	00:14:41
	I mean.	00:14:46
	Obviously.	00:14:46
	Well, here's the thing. There are going to be certain offset because when people are at work.	00:14:48
	Umm, and not gonna be using the residential as much, then there's gonna be more business. And so they're gonna offset each other	00:14:53
	for one thing. So that will be something to take into consideration. Umm, or can you think of any other peak hour issues?	00:14:59
	Yes, and 11 item that we discussed during uh peak traffic hours, uh, having, you know, there will be 24/7.	00:15:06
	Uh, staff, they're ready, ready to help and assist and, and, and enforcement's gonna be key there at those times that maybe	00:15:13
	necessary for them to leave the gate up where there will.	00:15:18
	Utilize maybe tech camera technology or RFID chip or something that alerts them to make sure everyone who's passing through	00:15:23
	quickly actually has a path to go through that, that they're not just letting people in that don't have an actual parking pass	00:15:28
	through. Uh, as opposed to waiting for that arm up and down during really High Peak, maybe between 5:00 and 6:30 PM, something	00:15:33
	like that.	00:15:38
	Thank you there. That's Eric with ex development case you're wondering.	00:15:44
	OK. Any other questions, comments about the slide before you proceed?	00:15:50
	OK, umm, all of the commercial that's gonna be on the ground floor, umm, you see that being predominantly.	00:15:57
	Retail and dining or would there be services as well? I only ask because like retail and dining would go till 9:10 PM. Sure it	00:16:03
	might be.	00:16:08
	Some of that going on with the residence, but if it.	00:16:13
	Uh, hair salon, Texas corporate, I think we're seeing more, we're gonna see more services, whether it be more office type use or	00:16:16
	umm, or SE or services that are not necessarily food.	00:16:21
	Especially because food can be complicated umm with smells going into the residential units and everything so.	00:16:27
	So I, I don't anticipate there will be many, if any, umm, claim uses or late night uses. Yeah, I'm not sure if this is part of	00:16:34
	your presentation, but I actually wanted to know that too, what the retail use is going to be here for. So you answered it a	00:16:39
	little bit, but do you have any specific plans already or I don't have anything specific at this time. Yeah, there are a lot of	00:16:45
	discussions that are occurring.	00:16:50
	Umm with our partner in this group we are are partnering with a umm a group that has done multi families throughout.	00:16:55
	The the country is very successful and and they also have a local footing here. So they have a really good.	00:17:02
	Umm, understanding of the local market as well. So we are in discussions with them.	00:17:07
	I I have a question for you. Umm.	00:17:13
	My question is about that leaking element, umm.	00:17:15
	Talk about bundling, umm.	00:17:47
	Umm, whereas, you know, it's kind of segregating them a little bit and you can add one dollar $2.00, whatever and then the pricing	00:17:49
	can more than dumping them. So that is a discussion that's occurring and that that's actually found to be pretty effective. Uh.	00:17:55
	Way to manage parking as well. So someone has to pay for that additional parking stall. It's not part of the rent. Exactly.	00:18:02
	Changes their their desire at times. Yep for sure.	00:18:08
	OK. If you have a question, thank you. Umm, and then some of the additional elements that are addressed in the parking management	00:18:14
	plan.	00:18:17
	Umm, it does umm, contemplate some technology and automation, umm, you know, some, we obviously are, care highly about the	00:18:20
	enforcement, umm, and making sure that they know we're serious. And so that's not able to be taken advantage of, umm.	00:18:28
	Umm, there will be clear signage and wayfinding umm for, you know, easy access to the and and exit to the different stalls.	00:18:36
	Umm, so these are all things that are addressed within the parking management plan.	00:18:45
	Umm, and then finally, we just wanted to bring up that we did have an open house, umm, back in February, invited residents that	00:18:50
	was, you know, published in the newsletter and in social media.	00:18:54
	Umm, we did get a handful and wasn't a huge turn out but we did get some interested residents which we loved and it was great	00:18:59
	talking to them we did.	00:19:02
	Discuss umm issues relating to the structure, parking, umm E scooters, E bikes, the trail along Geneva Road, and some of those	00:19:06
	related issues.	00:19:10
	Umm, truly all of the feedback they got about the structure parking was was really positive. We didn't get anything negative about	00:19:14
	structure parking. Think they liked the fact that it was gonna be a controlled.	00:19:18
	Umm scenario where?	00:19:23
	Where you know those?	00:19:26
	Again, the the 24/7 managed and controlled parking I think is really appealing.	00:19:29
	Umm, there was some mixed feedback about you scooters and E bikes. A lot of some people really love them. Some people are like,	00:19:34
	oh, they're just gonna be littered everywhere. You know, I think there's some things to consider umm.	00:19:38
	But the overall, I, we had a great time being able to talk to residents and about and get their feedback. So, umm, that's all I	00:19:44
	have for walking through this. We, we feel like you probably need to have more time to just read through the studies themselves,	00:19:49
	but we would love to be available to answer any questions.	00:19:55
	Umm, that you might have right now.	00:20:01
	Great, I know we.	00:20:03
	Asked a bunch of questions during this? Sure. Letting us interrupt umm, interviews. Have any other questions?	00:20:04
	Yeah, I've got a question.	00:20:12
	I appreciate this and the emphasis you're putting on parking.	00:20:15
	Uh, we really appreciate that getting it right.	00:20:18
	But umm, as far as.	00:20:22
	Uh, you know, nightly stays, maybe Cash and Morgan can confirm this with me and maybe the regulations are different with	00:20:26
	commercial and residential, but.	00:20:32
	Umm, as far as?	00:20:38
	You know the current.	00:20:41
	Uh, zoning.	00:20:43
	Only 30 days, days or longer is permitted in.	00:20:45
	Vineyard and see, we've got a hotel, uh.	00:20:50
	Uh, they give them a cool presentation a while back but it just extended stay hotel.	00:20:54
	And they of course have nightly and, you know, week long stays.	00:20:59
	Uh, you mentioned about 300 units and.	00:21:04
	15 of them.	00:21:07
	Will be may be a nightly rental option?	00:21:08
	Uh, how did you come to that number and you know.	00:21:13
	Uh, what is that?	00:21:17
	How does that work?	00:21:18
	Yeah, so that was the number that was negotiated during the, umm, the development agreement the city wanted.	00:21:19
	Obviously more umm, with, uh, with, with short term rentals, especially in this type of setting, they can be problematic in like a	00:21:24
	traditional single family neighborhood type setting. We saw that this is a great opportunity because it's highly commercial.	00:21:30
	Umm, and we, we need to add more umm, at full hotel rooms. That's something first from a lot of residents.	00:21:36
	Umm, you know when their parents come and stay, there's nowhere for the state, so there's.	00:21:44
	You know, sleeping at their house, you know, it's, it's nice to have to have that, that accommodation. We also get the transient	00:21:48
	room tax. So we do have that 1% adopted for the city because the county itself has the 1% adopted for itself. So we get a little	00:21:55
	piece of that in the county, but then we would get 1% of of the 90 umm re rental cost that comes back with the city. So that	00:22:01
	that's actually a pretty important thing. And then the more you add, uh.	00:22:07
	Umm, like tourism or people?	00:22:13
	Umm, kind of short term in this city, those are people that are buying goods. Umm, they're umm, yeah, they're yeah, they're going	00:22:16
	to the restaurants, they're going to Top Golf. And so we felt like this was a really good area to add in some accommodation use.	00:22:21
	And we also have the hotel being built too that I've got here. So it's kind of adding two different product types that umm, you	00:22:26
	know, fo folks can.	00:22:31
	UMM continues, but the, the, the number was, was mainly negotiated. I, I remember you, you guys feel like it might be a little	00:22:36
	risky to do too many short term rentals. I think the city was pushing you guys, I think for 30 initially. And so 15 was kind of	00:22:42
	where we set up. I believe they can.	00:22:47
	Do more if it turns into a six. So if you're gonna own them still correct that'll be a single owner. But what's nice is that this	00:22:52
	24 hour, umm, leather structure. Yeah, yeah, they're they're they're they're they're service.	00:22:58
	Management very helpful and see we're not into babysitting you guys as far as your lease length.	00:23:04
	Right. I mean, you can do whatever you prefer to do. Maybe someone wants to sign a six month contract or one month deal.	00:23:14
	You could do that and this 15 is.	00:23:21
	Maybe designated for, yeah, a nightly rental option.	00:23:26
	OK.	00:23:33
	OK.	00:23:35
	You have anything now with?	00:23:36
	I don't have a lot. I actually didn't read this before, but the presentation help. I didn't have a lot of context with when this	00:23:38
	project was started. I wasn't on Planning Commission so I don't have as much context on it. It was really helpful. Umm, I would	00:23:42
	like to still.	00:23:47
	Do more.	00:23:51
	Uh, reading on it, but I think at first slash that's all incredibly helpful and.	00:23:53
	Umm, mostly excited about the oversight. There's a lot of oversight with this, yeah.	00:23:59
	Which is probably why you had such a positive reaction from the public, because we just see really.	00:24:04
	Invested owners to stay and take great care of what they built. So sure not it.	00:24:09
	OK. Umm, overall, yeah, very supportive when you say that we need a parking management plan.	00:24:15
	Nail nailed it. Like I think this is exactly uh.	00:24:22
	Quiet, uh, fiddle City leadership is asking for SO.	00:24:25
	Well then, that's incredible. Umm, one thing I just wanna make sure we address.	00:24:29
	When it does come for approval.	00:24:33
	Is umm.	00:24:35
	They they say that that the parking stalls are 66 above and beyond. Well, that is how far just wanna make sure it's also above and	00:24:37
	beyond what code calls for. I know it is, but we'll just wanna make sure we put that there unless for some reason.	00:24:44
	Because it's part of a development agreement. It doesn't necessarily apply. Yeah, it it doesn't because it's a development	00:24:52
	agreement.	00:24:55
	The the the the push was to have them submit a parking management plan to account for the next use nature of the of the site and	00:24:59
	also the short term rentals.	00:25:03
	And so, umm, it, it, it's kind of, it's a little like zoning category where, where basically we're able to help improve something	00:25:08
	very specific like the Planning Commission. So I would to get out ahead of it because when this does come for approval, there may	00:25:14
	be more in the audience. It might be worth having a slide just getting the background on why. Sure. That needs to be a unique case	00:25:20
	just to so everyone gets that. That's correct. Mm-hmm. OK. That's for sure. And we are planning back in two weeks. So we'll see	00:25:25
	you then.	00:25:31
	Oh this is fantastic, very well done and I have.	00:25:38
	No really other thoughts. I can't believe that you did a great job. He asked really good questions. He was laying on something so	00:25:42
	awesome. Hey and as far as the.	00:25:48
	Starting the construction process when you guys.	00:25:55
	Activate that you want to pick a better.	00:25:59
	Yeah. So we've been through almost.	00:26:04
	6 or 7.	00:26:06
	Iterations concepts to come to this point to approximately 302 units.	00:26:08
	It's been a great deal of of of time and and and resources to.	00:26:13
	Actually get this right, We feel like this is kind of like.	00:26:17
	The crown jewel of our project is the last piece that we have left to develop that we that we need final approvals on. From there,	00:26:21
	architecture takes about.	00:26:24
	Six to seven months from this point that we have right now.	00:26:28
	So we're finished with the civil engineering for for the site itself.	00:26:31
	That could be incorporated if this gets adopted and approved in the, in the, umm, parking, parking management plan, Then we can	00:26:35
	move forward with architecture for vertical, uh, design and engineering. That'll take about six to seven months and then we could	00:26:39
	break around from there.	00:26:44
	Yeah, So what What you'll see is if approved in the next meeting, the parking umm, management plan, then they would move forward	00:26:49
	with the official site plan.	00:26:53
	Baggage proved and then they got going from it. So from a city process, those are kind of the three, uh, major steps.	00:26:58
	Yeah, alright.	00:27:06
	Thank you. OK.	00:27:07
	Members of the public, any summit OK.	00:27:09
	Wonderful.	00:27:13
	Umm, that brings us to our next item number seven, Staff and Commission reports. First, any members of the Commission have	00:27:15
	anything to report?	00:27:18
	None.	00:27:23
	Umm staff, is there anything worth showing? Yeah, so umm, we're currently working on a master plan for, umm, we call it the.	00:27:24
	Umm, I changed my time. It's a what umm project it's way finding active transportation.	00:27:32
	Umm, master plan, and that's essentially for Mill Rd.	00:27:40
	It's it'll be updating our current active transportation master plan, but looking at Mill Rd. specifically and kind of the the.	00:27:44
	Adjacent roads to it 400 N umm more center St. comes into the city and trying to make that just a a safer place for uh.	00:27:51
	Umm, a cyclist.	00:27:58
	Umm, uh, folks walking. We do have a lot of school kids from that area that do do walk over.	00:28:01
	And so, umm, very few crossings, the roads are, are just, the lands are fairly wide. It's market 35, uh, constantly we're seeing	00:28:06
	45 to 50 miles an hour. It's kind of an average.	00:28:12
	And so, umm, looking at trying to slow traffic, make it more manageable, safer and provide more appropriate crops in places for,	00:28:17
	umm, for residents just across back and forth. We will have a major university there. So just imagine the number of people biking	00:28:24
	and walking that's gonna, mm-hmm, go 1010 fold. And so we, we really do need to account for that.	00:28:30
	Umm, also it's a selfishly economic involvement wise. We wanna provide a lot of crossing for the students to get over and, and to	00:28:36
	get into the restaurants at the origin that, uh, the, the yard site as well. So I'm trying to capitalize on having a lot of	00:28:41
	students in the city and we, we hope to do so. So April 22nd is the open house that will be at the clubhouse at the Edgewater	00:28:46
	clubhouse.	00:28:52
	6:00 PM.	00:28:57
	Umm love to, to have have you guys in any residence there. It's been umm posted in and out. So I'll be umm a good opportunity to	00:28:58
	come and it'll be staff has been working with Ave. consultants, uh, one of our planning consulting groups on, on developing some	00:29:05
	concepts. So give us feedback. What's that date one more time, umm, April 22nd.	00:29:11
	April 22nd Open House 4.	00:29:18
	So yeah, you have a watch from.	00:29:22
	What? So yeah, I, I, I would look at it just to it's, umm, Mill Mill Rd. active transportation planning, you know, that's that,	00:29:25
	that's basically like the main, umm, crux of it. So.	00:29:30
	That's really exciting. That's a huge piece. I mean, I know just from my household alone we would spend more money up there if I	00:29:36
	could safely spend my children.	00:29:40
	With the money out there.	00:29:45
	Yeah, it's OK. I'm talking with with Marnie, Her her children go to Maverick. And so she's expressed that that concerns her. You	00:29:46
	know, that 15 year old works at Chevy's and Ryan's computer. And I'm just like, please. So yeah, we're we're gonna make it safe	00:29:52
	for him. Yeah, that's great. Love it.	00:29:57
	Alright, thank you.	00:30:05
	Uh, that brings us to item number 8, which is.	00:30:06
	Sure.	00:30:09
	We're adjourned. Thanks everyone.	00:30:10
	Thank you.	00:30:13