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  • Call to Order/Invocation/Inspirational Thought/Pledge of Allegiance   Chair Nathan Steele called the meeting to order at01pm. He led the invocation and pledge of allegiance.  
  • Presentations/Recognitions/Awards/Proclamations  1.
  • 400 South Bike Lane & Restriping Project
  • Assistant City Engineer Patrick James provided a description of the project and provided a cross section for context. He highlighted what changes were made.   Chair Steele asked if there was signage noting no parking rather than red striping.   Engineer James provided the existing conditions.
  • Commissioner Natalie Harbin asked where they would put in the additional parking.   Engineer James added locational context of potential area that Orem is considering for extra parking.   Parks and Recreation Director Brian Vawdrey noted the specific location.   Commissioner Harbin asked if there was a timeline for the parking extension.   Director Vawdrey discussed the Vineyard-owned area within the park.
  • Engineer James continued to discuss the scope of this project.
  • Commissioner Harbin asked about the options for making it safer.   Engineer James highlighted a right turn only intersection.   Commissioner Harbin acknowledged the safety concerns.    Discussion ensued
  • Engineer James discussed the UDOT safety study as part of the Transportation Master Plan.    
  • Public Comments PC   There were no comments.  
  • Consent Items  2.Approval of the Octobert,25 Planning Commission Meeting Minutes
  • Motion: COMMISSIONER DAVID PEARCE MOTIONED TO APPROVE THE OCTOBERT,25 PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES AT17PM. COMMISSIONER CADEN RHOTON SECONDED. ALL IN FAVOR VOTED YES: PEARCE, STEELE, OSTLER, RHOTON, AND HARBIN. THE VOTE CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.  
  • Business Items  3. PLAN25-0026: Site Plan Application- Temporary District Energy Plant
  • Senior Planner Cache Hancey provided a background and locational context. He noted a condition to indicate the parking stalls for business access.   Community Development Director Morgan Brim added that there were conversations about wrapping the structure.
  • Bronson Tatton, the applicant, added context on coloring.   Senior Planner Hancey added site context.   Mr. Tatton discussed where the graphic would go.   Chair Steele opened up to the public.
  • Resident Daria Evans asked about the water shares.   Mr. Tatton noted that he has no answer for that.   Public comment was closed.   Senior Planner Hancey clarified the voting members.   Chair Steele described the approval process of this use.
  • Motion: COMMISSIONER RHOTON MOTIONED TO APPROVE ITEM3. WITH THE PRESENTED CONDITION AT24 PM. COMMISSIONER GRADEN OSTLER SECONDED. ALL IN FAVOR VOTED YES: PEARCE, STEELE, OSTLER, RHOTON, AND HARBIN. THE VOTE CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
  • City Engineer and Public Work Director Naseem Ghandour noted that he could respond to those questions after the meeting.  
  • Work Session  4.Massage and Energy Therapy Establishments, Sexually-oriented Businesses, and Business License Appeals Text Amendments
  • Business License Specialist Kelly Kleopfer discussed the proposed amendments and posed the request of consideration for massage therapy businesses operated as a home occupation.
  • Chair Steele clarified the question at hand. He also asked for definitions.   Commissioner Ostler listed examples of businesses.   Discussion ensued.
  • Commissioner Ostler asked if massage is considered a sexually-oriented business.   Discussion ensued.
  • Chair Steele asked if there was a precedent of this.   Discussion ensued.
  • Chair Steele noted that his opinion is that if there is not an issue that we should not make these adjustments.   Discussion ensued.   Chair Steele opened up to the public.
  • Bryce Brady discussed home occupation employment and agreed with the commissioners.
  • Ms. Evans commented on the need for clarity on zoning.   Chair Steele prompted staff response to the public comments.
  • Specialist Kloepfer noted the current zoning code for home occupations.   Chair Steele noted that it may be something worth considering. He asked about number of customer restrictions.   Specialist Kloepfer provided the standards.
  • Chair Steele asked about distance from other institutions centered around children.   Specialist Kloepfer noted that it is addressed in code and will be included.   Chair Steele discussed the community standard.
  • Commissioner Pearce clarified that they must have professional credentials.   Specialist Kloepfer noted yes and provided context.   5.
  • Vineyard City Bike Park Location & Material
  • Director Vawdrey discussed Vineyard races. He provided a graphic of the Central Corridor plan. Director Vawdrey requested feedback on potentially moving the pump track. He provided the reasons behind this change.   Commissioner Harbin appreciated the project.   Commissioner Rhoton also appreciated this project.
  • Commissioner Pearce asked about the economic impact of a bike park.   Director Vawdrey discussed how the draw of the park would bring spending dollars to Vineyard.   Director Brim added that some development just need the starting piece and that Brian is very skilled at landing those.
  • Commissioner Rhoton noted there is interest in programming for teens. He also asked if the relocation would replace the pickleball courts.   Director Vawdrey discussed the inclusion of pickleball courts put in at the tennis court at Grove Park.   Chair Steele noted this would remove the tennis courts. He also asked about hockey.   Discussion ensued.
  • Chair Steele noted his support to move the location.   Commissioner Pearce noted that he appreciated the move.   Nathan opened up to the public.
  • Ms. Evans asked about the physical impact and the financial breakdown.
  • Mr. Brady discussed the distance from the skate park. He added that programming for teens in needed.
  • Resident Terry Ewing asked about the included pieces on the plan. She asked how much is this going to increase our taxes.   Chair Steele prompted a response to the questions.
  • Director Vawdrey discussed the funding sources for the bike and skate park.   Commissioner Rhoton asked about doing a City fundraiser.
  • Director Brim discussed the Central Corridor Open Space Plan. He discussed the Wetland Delineation Study and noted the identified area is not designated.   Director Ghandour provided context on the Wetlands Delineation.
  • Commissioner Harbin clarified that there is no fiscal impact for the bike park.   Ms. Evans clarified that the area is no longer Wetlands.   Director Ghandour noted that it does not have emergent wetlands and that it is outside of any potential impact. The survey was completed in June.   Chair Steele highlighted that these projects set standards for the community.  6.
  • Utah Lake Shoreline Trail Amenities
  • Director Vawdrey provided a background to the trail amenities. He presented the amenities.   Chair Steele asked if the feedback from the Bluffs at Vineyard town hall.
  • Planning Technician Madison Reed noted that the feedback from the town hall and the survey was put into consideration for these proposed amenities.   Director Vawdrey presented the proposed benches and the bike racks.   The commission provided their thoughts.
  • Director Vawdrey highlighted the proposed locations for the amenities.   Commissioner Harbin clarified that there is no fiscal impact to these amenities.   Chair Steele opened up to the public.
  • Ms. Evans asked about vandalism.   Chair Steele discussed the City’s maintenance procedures.     7.
  • First Amendment to the Holdaway Fields Development Agreement (Ordinance25-16)   Director Brim provided an update of the status.
  • Planner Anthony Fletcher provided locational context and reviewed the amendments.
  • Ryan Bybee, the applicant, discussed the intent behind the amendments.   Directo Brim added that staff is working with the applicant on language.
  • Mr. Bybee added thath South progression has been stalled because of the outline of the original agreement.   Director Brim discussed a previous desire for a small retail use in the clubhouse.
  • Commissioner Brad Fagg noted that he would likeh South to be completed.   Commissioner Pearce noted that he agrees with the modifications.   Commissioner Ostler appreciated the amenity suggestion at the clubhouse.   Commissioner Rhoton noted support.   Commissioner Harbin noted interest in understanding the market.
  • Chair Steele asked about the phasing schedule.   Director Brim discussed the issue was with the delivery of the amenities andh South.   Chair Steele asked about park delivery.   Director Brim discussed the phasing.       Chair Steele opened up to the public.
  • Resident David Lauret clarified the timeline of the parks and asked where the parks would be.   Mr. Bybee discussed the parks.    Director Brim noted previous conversations of the existing infrastructure.  
  • Staff and Commission Reports   Director Brim provided a reflection of the Utah APA conference which staff and Commissioner Pearce attended in October.  
  • Adjournment   Chair Steele adjourned the meeting at44 pm.       MINUTES CERTIFIED COMPLETE ON: Decemberd,25 CERTIFIED (NOTICED) BY:                                                      Madison Reed, Planning Technician

Transcript

Event transcript
All right. Welcome everybody. 00:00:02
To the next very exciting Planning Commission meeting. 00:00:05
Of City of Vineyard. 00:00:09
November 5th, 2025 at 6:00. 00:00:11
So we're gonna call this meeting to order. We'll start with an invocation. 00:00:14
And I'm gonna go ahead and give it. 00:00:17
And then we'll do the Pledge of Allegiance. 00:00:19
Our Father in heaven. 00:00:24
Very grateful for this day. 00:00:25
We're grateful for. 00:00:27
This town that we live in. 00:00:30
And for this opportunities. 00:00:31
That we have to meet together and discuss the needs of our community. 00:00:33
We pray that fellow bless us too. 00:00:37
Be able to address. 00:00:40
Any differing opinions with respect? 00:00:41
Effect and chain this and with the understanding that all here. 00:00:44
Have the best interest of our community at heart. 00:00:47
We are so very grateful. 00:00:50
For all of the blessings that we have in this, we pray for in the name of Jesus Christ, Amen. 00:00:53
Alright, Dan, that's if you're able. 00:00:58
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. 00:01:05
And to the Republic for which it stands. 00:01:10
One Nation. 00:01:12
I saw individuals. 00:01:14
Wonderful. OK, We will move on to item number 2, which are our presentations, recognitions, awards. 00:01:20
And even proclamations if we have them, we do have an item, item 2.1, which is the 400 S bike lane and re striking project 00:01:28
presentation. 00:01:33
So I will turn the time over to staff to give that presentation. 00:01:38
Yeah, if you could, uh, bear with me. 00:01:44
2nd to pull everything up. 00:01:46
So I'll be talking a little bit about umm. 00:02:26
The 400 S. 00:02:29
Striping. 00:02:30
2nd. 00:02:35
This is a. This is a project that we did in conjunction with. 00:02:38
Orem City. 00:02:42
On the uh. 00:02:43
The striping you've actually already in place? It was. 00:02:46
It was done with a with. 00:02:50
Uh, more of a temporary paint. 00:02:52
That. 00:02:55
It doesn't hold up as well. 00:02:56
That Orem City wanted to get something down. 00:02:59
Uh, really quick. 00:03:02
And so, uh. 00:03:06
Sorry. 00:03:10
Just pull this up. 00:03:11
There it is. 00:03:16
OK. 00:03:17
So, um. 00:03:20
Just to give a little background. 00:03:22
Umm 400 S. 00:03:25
It's been. 00:03:27
Topic of discussion. 00:03:28
Recently for safety issues. 00:03:30
Particularly pedestrian safety. 00:03:33
And and Vineyard and Orem is. 00:03:37
Are very aware of that and we've been working together to try to find solutions to make it a a safer. 00:03:40
OK. For Rd. 00:03:45
On top of that. 00:03:48
We are also extending 400 S. 00:03:50
From Main Street to. 00:03:56
Uh, to uh, where it connects into Sleepy, where the sleepy Ridge, uh, entrance is. 00:03:59
And with that. 00:04:06
We've we've kind of come up with a cross section. 00:04:08
This is a cross section of the road. 00:04:11
Kind of the the. 00:04:15
East part of the extension as it comes in. 00:04:16
Close to that sleepy Ridge area. 00:04:19
Umm and Hold Away by Holdaway Rd. 00:04:22
So this is the cross section where you come up with basically just A2 lane Rd. with bike lanes. 00:04:26
Pretty simple. 00:04:31
Umm, and so the, the there's we show a trail on on the north side of the road. 00:04:32
To match what is. 00:04:40
Is already happening. 00:04:42
Farther east on 400 S and. 00:04:43
Can probably look at that a little bit. 00:04:45
In a minute. 00:04:47
And then this side is just existing. 00:04:48
The existing park strip. 00:04:51
So with that Oram. 00:04:54
Put together the. 00:04:57
Orem City put together these drawings. 00:04:58
Um, and they, they match. 00:05:01
That same cross Section 2 lane Rd. with. 00:05:04
With my plane. 00:05:07
Simple, and as you can see, we already have this trail on the north side established. 00:05:08
And similar similar, just a park strip and sidewalk on the South side established. 00:05:15
So forums, can you put these plans together? 00:05:21
Basically eliminating. 00:05:25
The center median lane you can kind of see. 00:05:28
Saint Saintly, where the center median used to be. 00:05:30
So that was removed and and restriped with. 00:05:35
With a striking. 00:05:38
I'll just kind of go down. 00:05:40
The drawing a little bit just to show. 00:05:42
It's it's basically. 00:05:44
This is this is more of the Vineyard portion closer to Holdaway Rd. 00:05:47
This is by one of the park entrances. 00:05:52
And then here is the intersection with the park. 00:05:57
And I'll, I'll show you another plan of what we're doing here. We're. 00:06:01
Working on a project with Orem City and UDOT as well. 00:06:06
To to realign this, I'll show you plan in in a second here. 00:06:11
And then this is more kind of on the the Orange City side. 00:06:15
Where they pick up parking on on this side of. 00:06:19
The north side of this. 00:06:22
The Street. 00:06:23
Um, and then there's the the school. 00:06:25
Drop off area. 00:06:28
Kind of the same thing going through there. 00:06:34
And then this is out more towards Vineyard. 00:06:37
Road. It's Patrick, just on a cool drop off area. 00:06:40
Could you maybe elaborate? Just a lot of that comes to the Planning Commission will know the parking or the drop off area when 00:06:44
it's not school hours. 00:06:47
That that'll be open for. 00:06:51
Yeah, this is this is used for parking during when, when it's not school hours. Yeah, this is open for parking for park events. 00:06:54
When there when there's events. 00:07:04
The park, uh. 00:07:06
Gets quite full and so people park over on. 00:07:08
On this side of the tree as well and in the the school parking lot. 00:07:12
Um, with that. 00:07:17
I I will mention a little bit. 00:07:20
This this basically over here just matches what? 00:07:22
Already happening and leading up to Geneva. 00:07:25
But with that. 00:07:29
Umm, I I. 00:07:30
Will point out that. 00:07:31
Uh, we have. 00:07:33
Pre before any of this happened, so a while back we we. 00:07:35
Requested. 00:07:40
Orem City to red stripes the curb. 00:07:42
Along here, because there was, there's never been. 00:07:45
It's never been a legal. 00:07:49
Thanks for parking along the street. 00:07:50
West of the park entrance. 00:07:53
They have the parking on the on the street. 00:07:55
To the east here. 00:07:58
But we know that there's been illegal parking along the street. 00:08:00
Down in this area. 00:08:04
And so we've we've already previously requested that that area be registered. 00:08:06
If it's not currently registered, what signage? 00:08:11
Does exist to show that it's legal? 00:08:13
Umm, I don't know if there's any. 00:08:16
Signage. 00:08:19
OK, it's it's clearly not a parking spot right right now. 00:08:20
Yeah, this, this kind of. 00:08:23
There's a little red stripe feeling right there, yeah. 00:08:26
So we just need to. 00:08:29
Apply a new layer. 00:08:30
Yeah, got it. 00:08:32
Right now. 00:08:34
So as of now with this striking. 00:08:35
There's a bike lane there, so if you do park. 00:08:38
On the side of the street there you're. 00:08:42
For you in the Bike Ranger. 00:08:43
Umm, I also want to point out that, uh, we've also had discussions with Orem City about expanding the. 00:08:45
The parking lot for the for the park. 00:08:53
Can accommodate the the math. 00:08:56
Amount of. 00:08:58
Uh, parking that's required for the for their events and whatnot. 00:09:00
Wherever they expand that into. 00:09:04
So they take up some of the park then? 00:09:06
This section of. 00:09:08
Grass, tentatively. 00:09:10
Yeah, and I don't. 00:09:14
I don't know if Brian wants to say, but. 00:09:15
Say anything but uh. 00:09:17
Correct me if I'm wrong. 00:09:20
Yeah, I guess I can just say. 00:09:23
I don't have a cursor, but yeah, right. Whereas cursor is right now that's where Orem. 00:09:25
UH shown interest in extending their parking. 00:09:29
And Patrick, if you can show the the flag lot. 00:09:33
Just. 00:09:36
Farm City bought. 00:09:37
With that parcel as well. 00:09:39
Yeah. So they most likely future plans would incorporate that at some level either for. 00:09:41
Field space that's lost from right. That's helpful timeline for that. Have they given any indication? I know that's a funny 00:09:47
question. Uh-huh. 00:09:51
Brand number for the parking. 00:09:56
But have they given any kind of indication for that? 00:09:58
Um, so as far as that goes with. 00:10:01
The area where they want to extend the parking lot. 00:10:04
That is Vineyard City owned. 00:10:07
And so we are. 00:10:09
Working to figure out. 00:10:12
An agreement there since Vineyard. 00:10:14
Owns about 1/3 of that. 00:10:16
Park umm, there's potential for us to. 00:10:18
Uh, get usage of that part or. 00:10:22
There's other options as far as expanding our recreation so. 00:10:24
Were in the process of. 00:10:28
Of getting that all worked out and we hope to have something in place by the end of this year. 00:10:30
Great. Thank you. 00:10:34
Thank you, Brian. 00:10:38
And then I I mentioned this intersection here. 00:10:40
Where right now it's the. 00:10:45
Funky configuration where the. 00:10:46
It just doesn't line up. 00:10:49
So we've also had a project. 00:10:50
Going on. 00:10:52
Uh, to realign that. 00:10:55
And put a traffic signal at that location. 00:10:57
So this is a really nice concept drawing of. 00:11:00
Of what it will look like. 00:11:03
At the end. 00:11:04
Uh, so, uh, traffic signals. Umm. 00:11:06
The crosswalks will essentially stay the same or we have to do a little bit of curb work. 00:11:11
Uh, to allow turn radius but. 00:11:16
Uh, it's essentially the same, but. 00:11:21
We're just bringing that entrance. 00:11:23
To the park in. 00:11:26
Aligned and then. 00:11:27
They will retain. 00:11:29
Kind of this section. 00:11:31
And and do. 00:11:33
Turn pockets. 00:11:34
For that. 00:11:35
We are also. 00:11:45
Kind of trying to just. 00:11:47
Come up with any way we can make this? 00:11:49
This road safer? 00:11:51
We're also looking at options. Actually, you can kind of see a little bit here. 00:11:53
We have another funky alignment. 00:11:57
With Vineyard Rd. and this parking lot or Vineyard Elementary. 00:12:00
It's just a weird configuration. So Orem City has already. 00:12:05
Looked into. 00:12:10
Um, some possibilities there. 00:12:11
And and we. 00:12:15
We fully support it, um. 00:12:17
But there's there's some options that maybe. 00:12:20
Either closing this off. 00:12:22
Or making a write in write out. 00:12:24
Something like that and just. 00:12:26
Changing the entrance of this parking lot, but then also. 00:12:28
With that we can we can possibly put a crosswalk at this location. 00:12:31
Uh, so we're. 00:12:36
We currently have some consultants looking into a. 00:12:37
Doing a study to. 00:12:40
To see if that would be a safe location, if it would affect. 00:12:42
The intersection at Geneva, OR. 00:12:47
Affect anything else? 00:12:50
So that study is is currently. 00:12:51
Uh, being put together right now. 00:12:54
So any questions on all that? That was awesome. Thank you so much. 00:12:56
Any questions by members of the Planning Commission? 00:13:01
OK, umm, I have some questions actually about that last. 00:13:05
And affection you showed, since that is one of the more perilous ones. What are the options or ideas for making a little bit 00:13:07
safer? 00:13:11
Making it easier to get out. 00:13:15
Yeah, so. 00:13:17
Uh, like I was saying, we, we could. 00:13:18
Possibly. This would have to be in conjunction with the school of course, but we could possibly change their entrance. 00:13:20
They either close it off. 00:13:27
Or make it a write in write out so. 00:13:29
One of the one of the weird. 00:13:31
Maneuver that. 00:13:33
What's happening is. 00:13:35
People are coming down. 00:13:36
Headed West. 00:13:38
Getting in this left turn pocket and and trying to turn in. 00:13:39
Into this parking lot, but they have to cross the entire intersection to do that. 00:13:43
Which is just not an ideal maneuver. Mm-hmm. 00:13:47
So, so there's definitely that. 00:13:50
We, we, we also are looking at that crosswalk. 00:13:53
We're also looking at. 00:13:57
Possibly doing some kind of monument or something to. 00:13:59
Draw people's attention that there's a there's. 00:14:02
There's an intersection coming up, OK. 00:14:06
Kind of, yeah. Because even if you align the parking lot, I don't really see how that remediates the issue of like. 00:14:08
When you're trying to turn out last and you're people coming down the hill from the light really quickly, it's. 00:14:13
Really dangerous. And then if you're back in traffic, up from the other way. 00:14:19
It just and but it's too close to the light. Obviously have another light so it just ends up being. 00:14:22
One of the effective ways in and out of the city, but. 00:14:28
It just gets really bogged. 00:14:32
Down there. 00:14:34
Patrick Somnath, would you be with someone next to, I think even the right turn? 00:14:39
Uh, that parking lot, I've seen this complex there because since you're not aligned. 00:14:43
Mm-hmm. On dinner Rd. train left. 00:14:48
Yeah, you're looking like this and you're. And then there's a car. 00:14:50
Over here turning right and I've had that happen me like you're in that left hand turn movement and then you see a car. 00:14:54
Yeah. 00:15:00
It's just a bad spot. Yeah, it's and it seems continuously confusing for everyone who kind of has the right of way. Umm, because 00:15:01
the traffic flow is so awkward. 00:15:06
So what was Naseem saying? I'm so sorry. And he was saying that we also have in our transportation master plan to do AU dot. 00:15:11
Safety study on the intersection at Geneva. 00:15:17
OK. To assess the intersection, this intersection as well? 00:15:20
So it says. 00:15:25
But both the intersections, we can do a safety study on both. 00:15:26
And so they'll they'll look at. 00:15:31
Car maneuvers and and. 00:15:33
Queuing lengths and things like that. 00:15:35
Umm, and and. 00:15:37
Maybe from that we can we can get some. 00:15:39
Some more information that we can use. 00:15:41
OK, so I understand. 00:15:43
Seems even like the bike lane itself. 00:15:46
Would be. 00:15:48
Concerning with all those different elements without having that. 00:15:48
OK, I wouldn't want a bike in that area. 00:15:52
So, umm. 00:15:55
Sure, you spell that. 00:15:56
Thank you. 00:15:57
Awesome. 00:15:59
Thank you, Patrick. 00:16:01
Appreciate it. Yeah. 00:16:01
Alright, we'll move on now to item number 3, which are public comments. 00:16:03
So if there's any members of the public who would like to provide comment on any item not on the agenda. 00:16:08
Now is your time to do so. 00:16:13
So speak now. 00:16:16
OK, seeing none. 00:16:19
You lost your chance. Public comment is over. 00:16:22
Uh, so we will now head on to our next item. 00:16:24
Which is #4 our consent item, which only has one item. 00:16:28
Which is the approval of our October 1st Planning Commission meeting minutes. 00:16:31
Uh, does anyone have any questions? And if no questions, is there a motion? 00:16:35
Uh, all right, I'll find a motion over here. 00:16:41
Do we have a second? 00:16:44
2nd and we have a second. All in favor say aye. 00:16:45
All right, any opposed? 00:16:48
Alright, unanimously consented to OK. 00:16:51
Item number 5 is our business items. 00:16:54
Uh, so we have. 00:16:56
Site plan application for a temporary district energy plant. 00:16:58
So we'll pass the time on to. 00:17:02
Stuff. Good evening. We have just a brief staff report on this. 00:17:05
Umm, this is a district energy plant which we've. 00:17:11
Kind of introduced. 00:17:13
To the the Planning Commission and City Council over the past few weeks as we've. 00:17:14
Had to go through some zoning text amendments to allow this type of use in in the, uh, efacity. 00:17:18
Uh, development. Umm. 00:17:23
And so it it did the the language state improved through City Council to allow this this type of use. I do want to mention. 00:17:25
I believe the Planning Commission wanted to be kind of a broader. 00:17:30
Uh, term. 00:17:33
But the Council through our legal advice. 00:17:34
Decided to keep it restrained still to to district energy infrastructure. 00:17:38
Umm. That being said, it isn't allowed use now. 00:17:42
Umm. And so. 00:17:44
We have the site plan before us. 00:17:46
You can see I'll show you just to give you a reference of where This site is located. 00:17:47
This right here, this blue street is Main Street in the new grocery store is block 4D. 00:17:52
And then the the District energy temporary plant is going to be located right here on. 00:17:57
17. 00:18:02
So you can see right above my cursor there up of Dover St. 00:18:04
Going through the site plan, it meets all of our requirements for the. 00:18:08
The special profit zoning district as you you recall the the language of the zoning text amendment. 00:18:13
Says that they don't have to fall in a series, that the architectural standards of that and. 00:18:18
Because it is a utilitarian infrastructure. 00:18:23
Umm that being said, they they are doing a good job of. 00:18:25
Greening the project as well as. 00:18:28
Providing adequate landscaping and parking for the project. 00:18:30
Umm And so the one condition that we did have is we analyze this is is to indicate. 00:18:33
These parking stalls here. 00:18:38
Umm, if if they were stripes they would block off the the access to these garage doors that that are needed. 00:18:40
Umm and so we wanted the the applicant which. 00:18:46
Bronson is there tonight. 00:18:48
To address whether they don't strike those, whether to put signage up that says. 00:18:50
You know, utility parking only or something. We just want to make sure that. 00:18:54
If and when a building is built near this that. 00:18:57
The residents in that area, though, they cannot park there and block off access to that utility. 00:19:00
So. 00:19:06
Find the landscaping here at the. 00:19:10
Shaurya. 00:19:12
So you can see it's, it's pretty well surrounded by landscaping and trees to to provide that screening and then. 00:19:17
Uh, this future phase right here will be fenced off. 00:19:22
Umm. In the meantime it it will just be, I believe, uh, aggregate. 00:19:24
Grab a lot until they're ready to expand the infrastructure over there. 00:19:28
Wonderful. 00:19:32
Is that everything? Yeah, that's I'll stop at. 00:19:34
OK, uh. 00:19:37
Commission, are there any questions for staff? 00:19:38
Check out just one Quick thing 11 item that did come up during City Council. 00:19:40
Was the potential to like do do wraps on and Oprah and if. 00:19:45
If that's something. 00:19:50
It's brought in there. If that's on you, you you'd be able to speak to because it was kind of a concern about just. 00:19:51
Big utility. 00:19:56
Yeah, some kind of mirror or kind of beautification. You could give an update if you have plans to do a wrap. 00:19:57
Like a wrap, uh, on the on the facade, no around the on the structure. 00:20:03
Yeah, yes, we were talking about. 00:20:09
We well, I think the the baseline would be there is. 00:20:12
One thing I'll add to that is, as you can see in the fight point here, it's just. 00:20:21
Where is the block, is the actual building, and so it is. 00:20:24
Surrounded, I believe, by offense. 00:20:27
The entire perimeter of it. 00:20:29
And so if there was, you know, on this wall right here. 00:20:31
If there's artwork it gets. 00:20:33
Because of the fence that's right there. 00:20:35
Put on the the fence itself, they were talking about having some sort of like educational. 00:20:37
Uh, material. 00:20:41
But there may be like some super graphics. 00:20:49
Could be a huge. 00:20:57
OK. 00:21:01
Any questions? 00:21:04
For staff or the applicant. 00:21:05
OK. It is not a notice public hearing, but if there's any members of the public that have a question on this? 00:21:07
Uh, now is your time to ask that. 00:21:13
OK, seeing one. 00:21:18
That's your kid. Sorry. 00:21:21
So are you evidence? Vineyard resident At the last Planning Commission I asked about the water shares. 00:21:27
I wanna know where the water source will be and how many water shares were coming in. 00:21:33
The gentleman from Corex did not have a number for me and I would like to know if we have one now. 00:21:39
OK, don't have any idea. OK, Thank you. 00:21:44
OK. 00:21:48
But noted that. 00:21:49
There was no answer for the water source water shares. 00:21:50
Umm, OK. 00:21:53
No other public comments. 00:21:56
So we'll close that in the last discussion or questions. 00:21:58
OK. 00:22:04
Umm, seeing as this is already. 00:22:04
Hi, real quick, Sir, we do have six members of the Planning Commission up. 00:22:08
Tonight. 00:22:12
Umm and we can only have 5 voting members so we just need to clarify for the record. 00:22:13
Who is? 00:22:17
And is not voting. 00:22:18
OK, umm. 00:22:19
I I believe that Bradtag is the alternate. 00:22:21
Is an alternate. 00:22:23
Right, all right, so. 00:22:24
Well, pretending not here. 00:22:25
Thanks. Bye. 00:22:29
Bradley, stay quiet. 00:22:31
OK. 00:22:33
Umm, alright, I just wanted to say, uh, if this is already approved in the ordinance by the City Council, it's already approved. 00:22:37
Zoning. 00:22:44
Uh, there's very little I really see any issues with. City Council's already made it clear that. 00:22:45
This is an approved use. 00:22:52
And so I see no reason why I would get in the way of that. 00:22:53
Umm, I think it's great. 00:22:56
So is there any motion or other comment? 00:22:59
So I mean, I can make a motion to please go for a moment here. 00:23:03
Yeah, I moved to approve the site. Claim is presented. 00:23:07
OK, any second. 00:23:10
One second. 00:23:12
Uh oh. 00:23:13
I'm gonna have it. OK, there we go. 00:23:15
Umm, all in favor say aye. 00:23:17
All right, any opposed? 00:23:20
Alright, it passes unanimously as presented. 00:23:22
Too late, ma'am. Uh. 00:23:25
I can uh. 00:23:29
Sagar's question, I apologize. Uh, I mean, uh. 00:23:30
For as I didn't catch your question during the last Planning Commission or if I. 00:23:34
I take it out with your voice, but. 00:23:38
Uh, I can, uh. 00:23:40
Give a quick answer to your question. 00:23:42
OK, I can do that after the meeting. 00:23:44
Thanks. Bye. Alright. 00:23:47
Our next item, We're now into our work sessions. As a reminder, these work sessions. 00:23:50
None of them have. 00:23:55
Any, uh, vote or action? 00:23:57
This is more just for discussion and just to. 00:24:00
Good old chat. 00:24:03
So we'll go to our very first one. This is item 4. 00:24:04
Uh, everything with massage and. 00:24:08
Energy therapy establishments. 00:24:10
Umm, etcetera. Yes, Thank you. Good evening. 00:24:12
So what we're presenting today is. 00:24:16
What you just said and we're. 00:24:19
Uh, the city attorney asked me to go ahead and leave, uh, the business license appeal because that's just. 00:24:20
That's not necessary as part of this. So that's. 00:24:26
That will go before Council, but. 00:24:28
Tonight what I'm presenting is. 00:24:30
Uh, the sexually oriented business part is. 00:24:33
For context. 00:24:36
Uh, because there aren't any zoning code. 00:24:37
Amendments that we're proposing. 00:24:40
Uh, currently. 00:24:42
Uh, sexually oriented businesses are a conditional use in the manufacturing district. 00:24:44
Uh, every city has to provide, has to allow a place for that and that is where. 00:24:50
Vineyard had said in our zoning code to allow them. 00:24:55
And we are seeking to amend the municipal code because we don't have anything. 00:24:59
Currently in the municipal code addressing sexually oriented businesses and we want to have. 00:25:04
The code there to regulate them if anyone comes in to apply for that. 00:25:10
So that's just to provide context for. 00:25:15
Uh, what we're talking about today and. 00:25:18
With massage because that is something that you will be considering. 00:25:20
Uh, we are proposing to amend the municipal code. 00:25:23
Umm for massage and energy therapy we currently have. 00:25:27
Uh, a chapter, but it's outdated and very inadequate and we wanna put in something that's more thorough, more. 00:25:32
More involved, more robust. 00:25:39
And uh. 00:25:41
The other piece here that the city attorney, Jamie Blakesley, asked me to present for your consideration. 00:25:43
And this is where the zoning code comes in. 00:25:50
Is for you to consider whether or not we want to change it to be a prohibited use. 00:25:52
To have a massage. 00:25:59
Therapy business. 00:26:01
Out of a as a home occupation. 00:26:02
Uh, currently it's, uh, it's allowed. There's nothing, uh, prohibiting it in the zoning code. 00:26:05
In fact, we have one massage therapy business, Umm. 00:26:10
That has had a business license since July of 2020. 00:26:15
And. 00:26:18
Uh, with no issues. 00:26:20
And uh. 00:26:22
So. 00:26:24
What we would. 00:26:25
Uh, what? What would happen is if you. 00:26:26
Were to decide that you wanna. 00:26:30
Prohibit that. 00:26:32
What the city attorney said is that would be a policy choice that you would make a make a recommendation to City Council and then 00:26:33
you know, they would vote on that, of course. 00:26:37
But what? He said. 00:26:41
Is if we allow it, it is more difficult to enforce that code. 00:26:43
In home as a home occupation as opposed to a commercial location. 00:26:49
And so. 00:26:54
Uh, that would be an argument. 00:26:55
For prohibiting it so that we don't have to enforce our code for businesses that are doing that out of the home. 00:26:57
Uh, but he said you could also look at it the other way where you say. 00:27:03
This is the type of massage business that we that we do want to have because. 00:27:07
It's, I mean, there are legitimate people who do this, like our current licensee. 00:27:11
And uh. 00:27:15
That they're professionals and you know, this is a. 00:27:16
I needed service in the community. 00:27:19
And so if. 00:27:22
Uh, and so we, you would just need the zoning code and you wouldn't be doing anything because there'd be no changes to the zoning 00:27:23
code. 00:27:26
So that is. 00:27:30
Uh, what I'm presenting for you today and want to see if you have any questions, first of all, and then secondly, what your 00:27:32
discussion is, what your thoughts are. 00:27:35
On what direction we wanna do in the call? 00:27:40
Great. Thank you. So you'd like our discussion to? 00:27:42
Really be focused on just that, home based. 00:27:45
Licensing. Uh. 00:27:48
That's yeah. That's the question that's before you tonight. OK. Thank you for clarifying that. 00:27:49
Umm is it OK if I already defer from what you? 00:27:54
Explicitly just told us to do. 00:27:58
OK, umm massage and energy therapy establishment umm. 00:28:01
For the sake of what you're asking for, do we need to? 00:28:06
Really know the difference between them or? 00:28:09
Maybe give a definition of what an energy therapy establishment is? 00:28:11
Yeah, I have that here. 00:28:14
And that is? 00:28:17
Going to be in the municipal code update. 00:28:18
The, uh, definitions for that. And if we did update the zoning code, we would add that to 15.60 the definition. 00:28:21
So the energy therapy establishment. 00:28:29
Energy therapy is a field of alternative medicine that claims healing energy may be channeled through a patient's body or another 00:28:32
individual to yield positive results. 00:28:37
The practice includes 2 variants relevant to this chapter. 00:28:41
A hands on variant involving physical contact. 00:28:45
Including through the use of instruments and a hands off or distant variant which involves. 00:28:49
No physical contact except for from the neck up. 00:28:55
Or on the hands, forearms, or feet. 00:28:59
So. 00:29:02
You could even break that down, you know, hands on. 00:29:02
Could be treated just like massage. 00:29:05
You know it's. 00:29:07
It's the same because it is hands on. 00:29:08
And then hands off. You could delineate between the two. 00:29:11
Now fully understand why it's included in the same. 00:29:14
Thanks. So thank you for that. Yeah, that's definitely use that we're seeing on on the rise quite, quite a bit so. 00:29:17
I could imagine. 00:29:22
So maybe, yeah, just. 00:29:24
Questions, uh. 00:29:26
Red light therapy. 00:29:28
Uh, cold plunges. 00:29:30
Uh, those types of things. 00:29:32
That doesn't fit under the definition of massage. 00:29:35
Well under like therapy establishment. 00:29:39
That might be one of the hands. 00:29:41
OK, therapy establishment maybe just like. 00:29:43
For example, we have the deliberate Wellness. 00:29:45
Studio, Vineyard and. 00:29:48
They do some of those kinds of therapies and I haven't. 00:29:50
What perimeter are they operating under just as a service related business license, OK. 00:29:54
Cold plunges. 00:30:00
OK. Any other questions? 00:30:02
Umm, he went up. 00:30:05
Yeah, I do, yeah. 00:30:07
The massage. 00:30:09
Parlor equal sexual oriented. 00:30:13
In theory, no. 00:30:17
But in my business licensing. 00:30:19
Conferences whenever like Taylorsville or West Valley when you have to bring up. 00:30:21
Massage parlor, they all kind of have a big reaction because there's so much. 00:30:25
So much criminal activity that it is associated with it and a lot of those. 00:30:30
Cities, what they end up doing is. 00:30:34
If they have a business license application for a massage parlor. 00:30:36
Within two weeks of them issuing that business license, they send the police. 00:30:39
And to do a sting. And they almost always have. 00:30:44
To shut them down or have a less. 00:30:47
Or, you know, whatever their process is. So yeah, that is a problem. 00:30:49
Which is why we want to. 00:30:52
Regulate this more strictly than what our current code. 00:30:54
So any any. 00:30:58
Massage therapy. 00:31:00
Business opening up will have a sexually oriented no, no no no it it runs the risk. 00:31:01
Yeah. And so it's flagged as something to monitor because there may be illegal activity occurring. 00:31:07
We our code currently has crazy restrictions. 00:31:13
On Sexually Oriented. 00:31:15
Businesses. 00:31:17
It those same restrictions are not on. 00:31:18
Places of massage or energy therapy establishment. 00:31:21
Well, actually we don't. We don't even have a sexually oriented business code in our municipal code, and that's the restriction. 00:31:24
Meaning often industrial zones. Yeah, I apologize. I understand. OK. 00:31:30
Yeah. So because they are closely. 00:31:35
Correlated. 00:31:38
They don't have the same definition, but yeah, there there is overlap. 00:31:39
So we do want to strictly regulate. 00:31:43
Yes, forgive my ignorance, what is an example of a sexually oriented business in Utah County? 00:31:46
I only know of 1's in Salt Lake County. Do we have any in town? 00:31:53
I mean, we stores that sell certain products we didn't use. 00:31:58
I, I think there's, I think there's like like like sometimes you get like I, I don't know if like the umm, there's like an adult 00:32:03
stores and things like that. I think think we might have one or two. 00:32:08
Salt Lake. 00:32:14
Have them and they're. 00:32:15
The ones that we saw were umm. 00:32:17
Located in like the industrial district. 00:32:20
Umm, so I I so I I I don't know if you have any like very traditional ones. 00:32:23
That are located in in Utah County. There's a list of definitions in here too. 00:32:27
Right now that I'm remembering it, I believe there is a boutique or something. 00:32:33
What is it? Spanish Forb? 00:32:38
Uh, that would be. 00:32:41
Classified based on the definition like. 00:32:43
Thanks. 00:32:55
Any other questions clarification before we have this discussion? 00:32:56
I have. 00:33:03
One umm, is there any precedent? 00:33:04
From other cities that have. 00:33:07
Prohibited massage therapy home based businesses. 00:33:08
Have there any cities gotten any legal challenges? 00:33:12
With that, that you're that is a good question. I can take that. I can ask the city attorney about that. 00:33:15
But I would have. I would think that if. 00:33:20
There, there were. He would. 00:33:22
Giving me more information on that. 00:33:24
To present to you. 00:33:25
So. But I will find out if there's anything OK. 00:33:27
Yeah, yeah, I I'd like to know that my initial. 00:33:30
Reason behind that? 00:33:35
And then I'm not forgetting it. I just wanna give my reason for that. 00:33:36
Is kind of the approach of if we already have? 00:33:39
Someone who's operating and they have 0. 00:33:43
History or record? 00:33:45
Of breaking these restrictions. 00:33:46
I'm reluctant. 00:33:48
That create. 00:33:51
Those restrictions if you don't have any record of it. 00:33:52
Being an issue. 00:33:55
Just my only thought with that. 00:33:56
That's similar to my Fi. My question was what happened? 00:33:58
To that person. 00:34:01
Does currently have that license? Are they in any way negatively? 00:34:03
It would be grandfathered in OK. 00:34:07
Mm-hmm. Unless. 00:34:11
They at anytime need to amend. 00:34:12
That permit. 00:34:14
Right. 00:34:15
If they need to go in and say. 00:34:16
I'm increasing the square. 00:34:18
Footage of what I'm doing for my home. 00:34:19
That would then be triggered saying, yeah, we have, uh, we have, uh. 00:34:21
Basically it's a law, lawful, non conforming use. 00:34:24
So it's waffle because of the. 00:34:28
Uh, you know a lot allowed before the coaching. 00:34:29
So that they expand and apathol those provisions. 00:34:32
Of of whatever the current plan is. 00:34:35
Yeah, my opinion is if we. 00:34:40
Currently don't have. 00:34:43
An issue with it. I prefer not to do anything. 00:34:43
Uh, but that's just maybe. 00:34:46
I agree. 00:34:47
David yourself. 00:34:50
Yeah, I. 00:34:53
I tend to agree with you on that. 00:34:54
If umm. 00:34:56
I'm not sure any good is going to come from. 00:35:03
Right now. 00:35:05
OK, Yeah. 00:35:07
I'd have to say that. 00:35:08
Great. Thanks. Brad, do you have any thoughts? 00:35:10
Sure. 00:35:12
That's only in vote, just about doesn't the work section. 00:35:15
I like I don't get in the soft business for 17 employees and. 00:35:20
I don't. 00:35:26
Be like why it has to begin. 00:35:27
Sexually oriented. 00:35:29
The only thing you'd ever did was cost me 50 grand a year in the appearance. 00:35:30
Yeah. So except for the risk, right? 00:35:34
Whereas we have. 00:35:38
Four of those undercover police officers in our business and Warren. 00:35:39
We have 0. 00:35:42
I don't think I'm worried about that. 00:35:44
Yeah, alright. 00:35:47
I don't think it's as big of a deal. 00:35:48
This text amendment makes it sound. 00:35:51
OK. 00:35:54
Alright. 00:35:55
OK, Natalie. 00:35:57
Umm, my thoughts on this. 00:36:01
Affirm everything that's inside, but obviously also from getting some stronger outlines for the other. 00:36:03
We're standing since we don't really have anything specified for other section oriented businesses that are. 00:36:10
Clearly like in that description description list. 00:36:15
We will wanna hold them to that. 00:36:19
That standard. So if we're able to split that then. 00:36:21
So how do you mean? Can you clarify we were talking about because what we're talking about being impact would be having to be in a 00:36:24
commercial space, right, not in a home? 00:36:29
That would be it wouldn't allow home base. 00:36:35
Right. So we require them to be in a commercial district, but would this allow then somebody who wanted to come open? 00:36:37
An adult store out of your home? No, that's what I'm saying. OK, this is only. 00:36:43
That's right, yeah. 00:36:49
OK. 00:36:50
OK. 00:36:53
Again, it's not a public hearing, but if there's. 00:36:54
Any member of the public that has an opinion that's. 00:36:57
They'd like voiced on this. 00:37:00
By all means, now is your time to do so. 00:37:01
Yeah. And if I can just add quickly while you're coming up, the city does of course recognizes that massage therapy is a 00:37:03
completely legal. 00:37:07
Profession it's. 00:37:11
Doppel. They're Doppel certified. 00:37:12
As well as recently, Doppel has added that they will be doing licenses for establishment, not just for the. 00:37:15
Uh, practitioners, that's like what they have done up until now. And so there are already going to be added extra layers. 00:37:22
Of regulations to that, that that. 00:37:28
Will help out as well so. 00:37:32
There's there's no hostility here towards. 00:37:34
Massage. But we just want to make sure that we have good regulations in place. 00:37:37
Thank you for clarifying that. 00:37:41
Right, great. You can click comments uh, as far as uh home based occupation. 00:37:42
It might be worth considering that only the homeowner is able to do that instead of having employees. 00:37:46
Come to. 00:37:51
Participation. Umm. 00:37:52
And then the other thing is, uh, if people are gonna do illegal activities, they're gonna do illegal activities. It doesn't matter 00:37:54
what you guys permit. 00:37:57
So I. 00:38:00
But I I agree with what you guys have said that. 00:38:01
If there aren't issues with it. 00:38:05
Now with people that are doing it legally then. 00:38:07
Find change things. 00:38:09
OK, thanks. 00:38:11
One else OK. 00:38:12
Thank you, Doria. 00:38:16
Umm, as far as sexually oriented business, though, I hope that you would, really. 00:38:18
Make it clear that they have to be within that parameter. 00:38:24
Of not infringing on. 00:38:28
Children's spaces. 00:38:30
Schools. Churches. 00:38:32
You know, other establishments. 00:38:33
With it being in the manufacturing area. 00:38:36
Firesat Coconut Cove. 00:38:39
Playgrounds for children. 00:38:40
I hope it's not going to be. 00:38:42
That manufacturing disket. 00:38:44
This district is not gonna be anywhere close to something like that. 00:38:45
Umm, I hope that we would maintain a community high community standard. 00:38:51
As far as? 00:38:56
This umm, options. 00:38:57
Thank you. 00:38:58
Alright. 00:39:02
No others. Thank you. 00:39:04
Umm, I'd like to follow up with both of those public comments. Have you ring in if possible. So first, when it comes to. 00:39:05
To the home occupation permit. 00:39:11
Are there restrictions on employees operating within the home or is it? 00:39:14
Held strictly just to. 00:39:19
The homeowner. 00:39:20
So it's a homeowner and each home occupation is allowed within our zoning code currently is allowed one. 00:39:22
Non resident. 00:39:28
Employee. 00:39:30
So it doesn't limit the number of resident employees. 00:39:31
Like it's the one you know the the spouse or. 00:39:35
Adult child or something is helping with the business. 00:39:38
But only one non resident employee OK. 00:39:41
So, OK, um. 00:39:44
That may be something worse. 00:39:46
Considering. 00:39:48
To include with that, I appreciate prices. 00:39:49
Comment on that. 00:39:52
Again, this is work session if it's. 00:39:54
Going back to the Council no matter what. 00:39:56
I absolutely think that's something for them to discuss. 00:39:58
Also, are there restrictions on number of customers and frequency of customers? 00:40:02
For the massage in home or just how much? It's by appointment only and one customer at a time, meaning one car at a time. Got it. 00:40:07
So. 00:40:16
Excellent. 00:40:18
OK, umm. And then second when it comes to. 00:40:19
Completely separate note that sexually oriented businesses because. 00:40:23
Massage establishments are not sexually oriented businesses. 00:40:27
They are. 00:40:31
Permitted within industrial. 00:40:32
Are there all ready? 00:40:34
Requirements on distance. 00:40:36
Between. 00:40:38
Churches. 00:40:39
Parks, schools, or. 00:40:40
Places of business where children frequently. 00:40:42
Yes, I know what. 00:40:44
Working with. 00:40:45
Jamie Blakeslee and Holden Rockwell, our sheriff. 00:40:47
Chief Chief Deputy. 00:40:50
Uh, Sheriff Rockwell did want to have. 00:40:51
The distance requirements explicitly stated within the code. 00:40:55
But right now I'm just having hard time finding that. 00:41:01
So, but I know that we did include that in here. 00:41:03
So the the distance departments are. 00:41:07
Product address. 00:41:10
Mm-hmm. Thank you. 00:41:11
Umm, and then devastating, Daria said. 00:41:12
Was just I hope our community can uphold. 00:41:15
It's reputation. 00:41:19
I think the best way we can do that is our responsibility as residents. 00:41:20
Because. 00:41:23
Someone's only going to open a business of a certain kind if they believe there's a market there. 00:41:24
And so. 00:41:29
If we hold ourselves to that higher standard. 00:41:30
We're not going to attract that. 00:41:33
And so. 00:41:34
Let's just keep being good residents. 00:41:35
The good neighbors to one another. 00:41:36
That way we are attracted to businesses like that. 00:41:39
There's a lightweight check with that. 00:41:41
OK, umm, any closing comments before we move on to the next work session? 00:41:44
Yeah, I. 00:41:48
Have a comment in the moment. 00:41:50
Thank you. 00:41:51
In the uh in the code we specified. 00:41:52
For the massage establishments, they have to be licensed. 00:41:55
By the e-mail PL. so I have to have. 00:41:59
Professional. 00:42:02
Credentials. 00:42:03
Prior to. 00:42:05
To apply for the business. 00:42:06
Yes, yes. 00:42:09
Sorry. And I do check that and now with that extra layer that the establishment will have if. 00:42:10
Doppel license is a massage establishment. 00:42:16
In addition to the practitioners. 00:42:19
Yeah. 00:42:21
Alright, before I issue a business license, I checked. 00:42:22
I checked that. 00:42:25
Did you that give you enough feedback for what you need? 00:42:28
Yes, thank you. I'll take this back to Jamie Blakely. 00:42:31
We'll get this prepared. 00:42:36
And take it from there. Thank you, appreciate it. Thank you so much. 00:42:38
OK, Frank, I know that was the item you came for, so I appreciate it. So now we'll move on to the Vineyard City Bike Park 00:42:42
location. 00:42:45
Umm, we'll move on. Uh, staff will be presenting that this is another work session, so again, it's. 00:42:51
Like a representation and then just discussion and feedback, right? 00:42:56
OK. 00:43:01
Alright, yes, thank you so much. 00:43:01
My name is Brian Badri. I'm the. 00:43:04
Vineyard parts and rec director. 00:43:06
And just while this is loading up. 00:43:10
Just want to say thanks to you guys for all you do for veneer. 00:43:13
Giving voluntarily of your time to. 00:43:16
Enhance the quality of life. 00:43:18
Vineyard residents you guys deserve. 00:43:21
Uh, a lot. 00:43:24
A lot more recognition than you get, so thank you for all that you do. Hey, what's the? 00:43:26
Turn out looking like for this. 00:43:29
5K. 00:43:31
We are on track to the level of decorum we need to. 00:43:33
We are on track to. 00:43:40
Uh, set a new. 00:43:42
Record NXT 300. 00:43:43
Uh, registrants this year? 00:43:46
So we've had a lot of interest in races, so we have plans to add a fourth race. 00:43:49
In 2026, in August. So we're really excited about that. 00:43:53
Type what holiday? 00:43:57
OK. 00:43:58
It'll actually be like a back to school. 00:43:59
Celebration race. 00:44:03
So. 00:44:04
OK, who will be celebrating, the parents or the kids? 00:44:08
Who will run faster? 00:44:11
I guess we'll find out. 00:44:15
Um, OK, so just sharing my screen with you. This is. 00:44:17
Uh, a brief copy of. 00:44:22
Our Central. 00:44:24
Corridor plan for the City of Vineyard. 00:44:26
And up here near the top. 00:44:30
Right corner. 00:44:33
Umm, it is designated as a potential. 00:44:34
Dirt pump track. 00:44:39
Umm, there's a lot of interest in biking in the city. 00:44:41
And um. 00:44:44
Having a specific location for them can. 00:44:46
Do a lot of good. 00:44:48
And so. 00:44:50
I wanna talk about this a little bit, this specific location. 00:44:51
Um, is. 00:44:55
Across the street from Gammon Park. 00:44:57
Umm and so to access this park for anyone driving. 00:45:00
Umm, they would, essentially. 00:45:04
Park at. 00:45:06
Gammon Park. 00:45:06
And the restroom facility is also on that. 00:45:08
Side of the street. 00:45:11
So. 00:45:11
Umm, I guess that could kind of be viewed as. 00:45:12
Some complications with that specific location. 00:45:17
That specific land parcel where that dirt pump track is owned is also not currently bidding. 00:45:20
Vineyard City owned. 00:45:26
And so. 00:45:28
My purpose in. 00:45:29
Uh, this presentation today. 00:45:31
Is to get your thoughts on. 00:45:34
Potentially moving. 00:45:36
Uh, this dirt pump track? 00:45:38
To uh. 00:45:41
The current City Hall site. 00:45:43
Um, and the reason that. 00:45:45
We are proposing that As for a few reasons. 00:45:48
The first one is. 00:45:51
Um, this past year we. 00:45:53
Contracted with Hunger State Parks to create a State Park design. 00:45:57
And we are planning to. 00:46:02
Apply for. 00:46:04
A 5050. 00:46:06
Uh, grant match for the skate park. 00:46:08
Umm, we would be submitting that application, umm, in January of 2026. 00:46:10
And we? 00:46:16
We applied for it last year. 00:46:17
And we were. 00:46:20
Umm and forms that we did not receive the grant. 00:46:21
Umm, for a few reasons. 00:46:25
One of those being not enough ADA compliance. 00:46:27
And #2 being not enough. 00:46:32
Economic impact. 00:46:35
Shown. 00:46:36
And so. 00:46:38
By moving this. 00:46:39
Dirt Pump track to the skate park. 00:46:41
Site um. 00:46:43
I presume that the. 00:46:46
Umm, grant application will be stronger. There could potentially be a lot more. 00:46:49
Economic impact due to added amenities there. 00:46:54
Umm, another reason for the move is. 00:46:58
There's parking. 00:47:01
Right nearby instead of having to cross the street. 00:47:02
Umm, we would also have a restroom facility out by the State Park. 00:47:05
So essentially all of the basic necessary. 00:47:09
Amenities would be right there on site. 00:47:13
Um, and. 00:47:16
3rd. 00:47:19
This area is already Vineyard City Aunt. 00:47:20
Um, so with that. 00:47:23
Um, there would likely need to be some amendments. 00:47:27
To this plan. 00:47:30
Umm, such as the pickleball courts? 00:47:32
And the hammocking area. 00:47:35
We would potentially look at having. 00:47:37
And asphalt pump track. 00:47:40
That would kind of go in this area here. 00:47:42
Umm, and then potentially having. 00:47:45
A dirt jump lines and maybe skills area. 00:47:47
In this area here. 00:47:52
Umm so I am just interested to know your thoughts. 00:47:55
And hear any questions that you have. 00:47:59
My first thoughts is umm, in my family alone this might have enough economical impact. 00:48:02
Umm, my 13 year old skateboarding is life. 00:48:09
And that's what we do all the time. So, umm. 00:48:12
Just thank you so much for working on this project. This is super exciting. I think this will be. 00:48:14
Here, she's going to set our community. 00:48:19
Umm with right now and the kids if you like to skate. 00:48:21
Can't really They can't safely get the orange. 00:48:24
So. 00:48:27
Uh, I think this is just. 00:48:28
Uh, really, really exciting. I think it's a great thing for our community. 00:48:30
Yeah, I would echo Natalie's thoughts and just. 00:48:36
Anecdotally. 00:48:39
A bike park is what got me involved in the city because there was plans. 00:48:41
5:00-ish years ago to have one on the. 00:48:47
Was at the east side of. 00:48:50
Grove Park. 00:48:51
And. 00:48:52
I think, yeah. 00:48:53
I think adding. 00:48:55
The asphalt pump light. 00:48:56
Contract as well as some jump lines would be. 00:48:58
Awesome and would for sure. 00:49:01
Can you draw within the region and? 00:49:03
Create that economic impact that they're looking for. 00:49:07
Uh, last night Mapleton City just approved. 00:49:10
Uh, a bike park. 00:49:14
That seems to be a little bit bigger than than what this would be, but. 00:49:15
The the kind of response to that has been overwhelmingly. 00:49:20
Positive. 00:49:24
From Mapleton residents and from people in the region. So I think that this would. 00:49:25
Be similar. I think there would be a lot of. 00:49:30
Excitement and a lot of interest. 00:49:32
In a project like this. 00:49:35
Great. And do you have any thought? 00:49:37
No, OK. 00:49:38
Can I talk to it or Brad? 00:49:40
About the funding. 00:49:49
You made a comment about. 00:49:51
Economic impact. 00:49:53
Can you elaborate on that for a State Park? 00:49:59
Yeah, absolutely. 00:50:03
So I think there's a few different avenues that. 00:50:04
It's kind of pertaining to. 00:50:08
UH-1 is. 00:50:10
When people come to the park. 00:50:11
Are they also going to? 00:50:13
Restaurants nearby. 00:50:16
Right. So is it more of like a? 00:50:17
Neighborhood type park? Or is it more of a. 00:50:20
Umm, kind of like a multi city. 00:50:23
The name is. 00:50:27
Regional. Thank you. Regional type park. 00:50:29
People from Aurum. 00:50:32
When it comes to the Vineyard One. 00:50:34
They might grab a drink at Maverick right now I give a lot of my money to Pleasant Grove because I drive over to that brand new 00:50:35
one that they have all the time. 00:50:39
Yeah. So the economic impact has nothing to do with the. 00:50:43
$4.00 entrance fee. 00:50:46
Right. 00:50:49
Yeah, um. 00:50:50
And then the other thing that I would say too, I think when it comes to the impact is. 00:50:53
Umm, with having a State Park. 00:50:57
Along with a pump track and potentially a dirt pump track. 00:51:01
Or jump lines. 00:51:05
It just. 00:51:07
It allows for more. 00:51:08
Bikers. 00:51:10
And those of different. 00:51:11
I guess will skills and. 00:51:12
Wants to all kind of come together at at one spot. 00:51:15
And so it kind of makes a central. 00:51:18
Go ahead and allow me to. 00:51:20
Yeah, Brian has been absolutely excellent at going out and talking with businesses and helping to get support from residents. 00:51:23
And So what we're seeing here is like, sometimes we just need something. 00:51:30
To start and start and. 00:51:33
And you can build off. 00:51:35
And so if it's successful, then it's, it's a really great project potentially to get donations and and donations to help build off 00:51:37
that. So and he, he does really excellent. I kind of looking at providing those amenities for use and then trying to pair. 00:51:43
Businesses and developers or whoever has got money that that can help us, it's on those things. So that I think this could be a 00:51:50
really great start, start from an economic standpoint, yeah. 00:51:55
OK and oh, and one thing that I'll. 00:52:00
Just make a comment too I've. 00:52:03
Been really interested in providing programming for. 00:52:05
Like teens and young adults, because I feel like that's kind of. 00:52:09
Missing in the city a little bit with, uh, with their current parks and. 00:52:13
And recreation and so. 00:52:17
Adding. 00:52:18
Amenities like this. 00:52:19
I think help fill in those gaps which will be huge for. 00:52:21
For everyone and but especially for those. 00:52:24
Those you know, 12 to 18 year olds that are in our city. 00:52:27
Yes, that's one of the precise reasons why. 00:52:31
Uh, we were considering this too as a fact of. 00:52:33
We're able to reach the teenager type population here. 00:52:36
And then one, sorry, one last. 00:52:39
Question. 00:52:41
But I think I love. 00:52:42
This. 00:52:43
But I do. 00:52:45
Things that you know, you mentioned moving the taking the pickleball courts. 00:52:46
Out of here. 00:52:51
Would those be moved somewhere else? Because I think that. 00:52:52
If we can show that, oh, we're not taking away these course we're. 00:52:56
Putting on somewhere else, then that will. 00:52:59
Garner. 00:53:01
Almost universal support probably, but if. 00:53:02
We're taking away pickleball courts. 00:53:05
To do something like this, I think that could. 00:53:07
Russell, some feathers. 00:53:10
Yes. 00:53:11
I think that's not a. 00:53:14
Nothing anymore, right? 00:53:17
Yeah, there's that. The Racquet Club. Yeah. 00:53:19
Yeah. So essentially with pickleball courts in the plan, there's currently 2 tennis courts. 00:53:22
Grove Park and in this plan we have projected to put in 12 pickleball courts there. 00:53:28
So. 00:53:33
Essentially, that would kind of be the hub for. 00:53:35
Pickleball. 00:53:37
Um, so yes, we would remove the four that are down there, but. 00:53:39
We would have 12 we currently don't have. 00:53:43
Any city owned pickleball court so this will be better than. 00:53:45
And that's where we are currently removed. 00:53:48
The tennis court. 00:53:51
Yes. And then the plan would be potentially with the park. 00:53:52
Uh. 00:53:55
Let's see, let me come back down here. 00:53:58
So there is plans to have two tennis courts here. 00:54:01
But there's been a big push. 00:54:04
Or to have at least 4. 00:54:05
And so that would be a huge push that we would be looking to do is. 00:54:08
Uh, ensuring that we have a complex of four. 00:54:12
And from a staffing side. 00:54:15
Of. 00:54:17
Umm offering youth programs. 00:54:18
That also is a. 00:54:20
A benefit to the community for the sake of we can host. 00:54:21
Youth tournaments and youth leagues. 00:54:25
We're doing this where currently we can't because we only have two. 00:54:28
Right now the. 00:54:32
Quartz at Gammon. 00:54:33
Are the hockey courts? 00:54:34
Would this setup still allow those dual uses? 00:54:36
So we can continue. 00:54:39
Or would hockey potentially even get its own? 00:54:40
Hockey we would look at doing its own facility. 00:54:43
Just so that we aren't. 00:54:48
Umm, I guess interrupting. 00:54:50
The the tennis fans that want to use the course. 00:54:53
I mean. 00:54:56
You know this clearly a lot more than I do. 00:54:57
But it'd be cool if we had a little facility there that could. 00:54:59
Dual purpose as hockey or cage soccer? 00:55:03
OK, Yeah. 00:55:05
Sometimes use the same space and that I think tips at a lot of fun activity and that's a great idea. Yeah, I'm happy to look into 00:55:07
that. 00:55:10
OK. Uh, one of your questions. 00:55:13
Was about. 00:55:15
Moving. 00:55:17
Not having the pump track there on the HOA land. 00:55:18
Fully support moving that uh, you need access to parking spots and bathrooms without having to cross the street, so. 00:55:21
Full, full blown support on that and I think moving that stuff to just outside here. 00:55:27
Is a great use. It's land that the city already has. 00:55:33
I've always envisioned it to be. 00:55:36
Part you so. 00:55:38
Fully support that. 00:55:40
That's great. 00:55:40
Excellent. 00:55:41
OK. 00:55:42
OK umm I want to give. 00:55:43
Everything community, some opportunities. 00:55:45
Yeah, their opinions too. 00:55:46
So. 00:55:48
Uh, time is now. 00:55:48
After David. 00:55:51
I yeah, I. 00:55:52
Brian, you know my personal commitment. 00:55:54
To this project. 00:55:57
And I. 00:55:58
I want to say. 00:56:00
I like the move. 00:56:01
And that is a. 00:56:03
Beautiful location. 00:56:05
I I think it's a core service. 00:56:07
Our community. 00:56:11
To provide. 00:56:14
These kinds of activities. 00:56:16
At home. 00:56:18
In the community for our youth. 00:56:19
And I think we're a better community when we do that. 00:56:22
Than we are when we don't. 00:56:25
And I I see it personally as an investment. 00:56:28
OK, thanks. 00:56:32
Go for it. 00:56:33
Thanks. OK, members of the Candy. 00:56:35
Sorry, come on up. 00:56:38
No, thank you. 00:56:39
OK, sorry Evan's been here. 00:56:41
I have a couple of questions about the fiscal impact. 00:56:44
On this, it says it's likely that the potential $1 million skate park would need to be shared with the. 00:56:47
Proposed bike park is for an asphalt pump. 00:56:54
Health tracks alongside the skate park. The skate park project. 00:56:58
Would only occur if we get the UORG grant which is 500,000. 00:57:02
But need to be paid from vineyards rap tax fund. 00:57:07
And 500,000 would be awarded. 00:57:10
From URO. 00:57:13
But. 00:57:15
In the beginning. 00:57:16
Umm paragraph it says we have currently allocated. 00:57:18
$74,250 for the project. 00:57:21
Consisting of 1500 from the Vineyard City. 00:57:25
Special project budget. 00:57:29
Scored 10,250 from the arch grass and. 00:57:31
58,500 from the Wrap Caps Fund. 00:57:35
So I'm just kind of curious. 00:57:38
Umm, how we're gonna do that? 00:57:41
And. 00:57:44
How much was the? 00:57:46
The consultant, Todd. 00:57:49
And is it right on this property right back here? 00:57:51
That we want to put this. 00:57:55
OK. This is supposed to be dedicated for public safety. 00:57:57
Is that right? 00:58:00
This building. 00:58:01
Yeah, yeah. We'll, we'll address all of these, but yeah. And so if. 00:58:04
Eventually. 00:58:08
It's going to have to expand here. We're going to need a place. 00:58:10
Talking to police. 00:58:14
Are we gonna have the back end use this build? 00:58:16
For skate skate park people. 00:58:19
You know, there's only how many, how many bathrooms are here? 00:58:22
24. 00:58:25
Suggest your two upstairs. 00:58:27
And if there's library space here. 00:58:29
There's going to be a. 00:58:32
A lot to think about before this moves forward. I mean, it's a nice idea. 00:58:34
But also is wetlands back there? And it's been. 00:58:38
Change the out to non wetlands. 00:58:42
And so that's a lot of things to consider. 00:58:44
Thank you. 00:58:46
What we'll do, we'll do all the public comments and then we'll address them. 00:58:48
OK, any other? 00:58:53
Members of the public. 00:58:54
It's OK, I was gonna say. 00:58:58
You're looking at me, so I, uh. 00:59:01
Price ready again, uh, I've been working with Brian on this, so I already know about all these things and, uh, we've discussed a 00:59:03
lot of things. 00:59:06
Uh, makes sense to move the bike. 00:59:10
Uh, Park the biggest concern was having it, uh, too close to the. 00:59:11
Skate park if there was a dirt. 00:59:15
Fire Park has getting dirt on the skate park. 00:59:17
Uh, degrades it faster, makes it more dangerous. 00:59:20
Company wife, but we're figuring out ways to. 00:59:22
Separate them as much as possible. 00:59:25
Uh, while still keeping that. 00:59:27
Umm, I love the comments. 00:59:29
Especially David, thank you so much. I know that you're committed for a project like this and. 00:59:30
Umm. And it's. 00:59:35
Something we need. 00:59:37
As a city, uh, we need stuff for youth, we need stuff for teams. 00:59:38
Um, we don't. 00:59:41
Have enough right now? 00:59:43
And especially those user teams that are um. 00:59:45
Not on sports teams, Uh. 00:59:48
Maybe don't have a lot of friends. 00:59:50
This stuff is vital. 00:59:52
Umm, could you if we lose? 00:59:53
Or if we saved the life of one youth by putting the skate park in. 00:59:56
Who cares what it costs? 01:00:00
Like, uh, we need to do it as quickly as possible. Umm, and I can't think of a better location, uh, being right next to the. 01:00:01
Public safety building here. 01:00:08
Thank you guys. 01:00:10
Thank you. 01:00:11
OK. 01:00:13
All right, come on up. 01:00:15
Jerry Ewing from. 01:00:22
The Villas. 01:00:23
I just have questions. 01:00:25
I'm not sure exactly where that. 01:00:27
Heritage. 01:00:30
Same landmark. 01:00:31
Building is. 01:00:33
OK. 01:00:35
There's not a baseball field there, am I correct? 01:00:37
So. 01:00:40
We can adjust most of these here, but what you're seeing right here is kind of a mix of existing and. 01:00:41
Potential. 01:00:46
So you're kind of seeing the mix of things right now on the screen. 01:00:47
OK, that explains my confusion. 01:00:50
OK then. 01:00:53
The only other thing I have is. 01:00:55
Uh, to ask is. 01:00:57
How much is this? 01:00:58
Going to add. 01:00:59
OK, thanks. 01:01:05
Thank you. 01:01:06
OK. 01:01:09
Last call. 01:01:11
Karen. 01:01:13
No, OK. 01:01:14
Alright, well, go ahead and close that. 01:01:15
Brian, I want to give you opportunities to address some of these items. 01:01:18
Um, first. 01:01:21
If you we could just Scroll down to show the City Hall site. Oh. 01:01:24
Perfect. 01:01:28
Just so that can be in the context. 01:01:29
There to show how much of this. 01:01:31
Is fully available for development. Again, this is a work session. 01:01:34
It's super broad and they. 01:01:39
Right now. 01:01:41
Purposefully so that we can. 01:01:41
Address all of these items. 01:01:44
Uh, at the beginning. 01:01:45
Umm, so Brian, if you could talk a little bit about? 01:01:47
Umm, the funding structure. 01:01:50
Of a project like this. 01:01:51
Where the funds could come from to install as well as to maintain in the future. 01:01:53
And just a little background on. 01:01:58
How we came up with it? 01:02:00
Yeah, so. 01:02:01
I'll start. I tried to take notes. 01:02:03
Alright, I got stuff, so we'll start with money. 01:02:05
OK. And then, umm, I can bring in other questions that we're asking. 01:02:08
Yes. So thanks, Daria for bringing up the financial questions. That was something that I totally missed. 01:02:12
So thank you. 01:02:17
Umm, but to clarify that, so the. 01:02:18
The approximately $74,000 amount that was mentioned on the staff report. 01:02:20
Umm, so we currently have budgeted. 01:02:25
Just over $74,000 for. 01:02:28
The dirt pump track. 01:02:31
Um, so essentially that project is. 01:02:33
Just about ready to roll because we're moving locations. 01:02:37
We may have to. 01:02:40
Go out for rebid. 01:02:41
Umm, and then we'll go ahead and start getting. 01:02:43
Public input. 01:02:46
For what that design would look like. 01:02:47
Umm, but essentially we have that money designated currently. 01:02:49
Or. 01:02:53
The dirt. 01:02:54
Jump lines to. 01:02:55
Come into play. 01:02:57
The. 01:03:00
$1 million amount that was mentioned on the. 01:03:02
The staff report. 01:03:05
So the cost of the skate park? 01:03:07
Is projected to be $1,000,000. 01:03:09
Umm, and half of that would be covered. 01:03:11
Uh, through, uh, you or Grant. 01:03:15
That we would be applying for in January. 01:03:17
So essentially if we don't. 01:03:20
Get the grant. We would not move forward with building the skate park. 01:03:22
Umm, the $500,000 from the City side. We already have that. 01:03:27
Uh, earmarked in the wrap tax fund. 01:03:33
Uh, we had it earmarked last year. 01:03:36
For the State Park, but it did not pass, so we still have that. 01:03:38
In the fund. 01:03:41
Um. 01:03:42
Let's see. 01:03:46
For the asphalt contract. 01:03:47
That would be something that would be an added cost. 01:03:49
And so essentially this whole project would be phased. 01:03:53
So for example. 01:03:56
The phase one would be the dirt. 01:03:57
Jump line area, we already have the budget for that. 01:03:59
Uh, phase two would be the State Park. 01:04:02
Umm, dependent on if we get the grant. 01:04:04
And then the asphalt pump track would then be. 01:04:08
Uh, phase three. 01:04:12
Which we would then need to wait until our wrap tax fund accrues. 01:04:13
Or are we able to get enough? 01:04:17
Grant funding to cover the cost. 01:04:18
So hopefully that answers. 01:04:20
Questions dot money questions, yeah. 01:04:22
OK. 01:04:24
Or it could be the flagship home. 01:04:25
Skate park. Well, there could be. 01:04:27
OK, I mean. 01:04:31
Is there a way that we could like? 01:04:34
To a city fundraiser, because I'm sure there would be. 01:04:37
Several. 01:04:40
People that could. 01:04:40
We can absolutely do that, yeah. 01:04:42
OK. 01:04:44
Um as to master planning of this? 01:04:45
Potential site and this is probably a mix between Brian and Morgan. 01:04:48
Regarding to the future use of this building. 01:04:51
Uh, potential for public safety. 01:04:54
Library, umm, any additional buildings or parking that might be going through here? 01:04:56
Yeah, if we could touch on that. 01:05:01
And if you could at the same time. 01:05:02
Address, uh, wetlands designation. 01:05:04
Absolutely. You, you want to take, uh, the first shot? Yeah, right. 01:05:06
And thank you, Brian for your, uh, your comments and your presentation. 01:05:09
So this is what's called the central. 01:05:13
Umm, the the Central Corridor Open Space plan. So this was adopted. 01:05:16
A few years back umm and this was one of those projects, not all of them You're are you gonna get just. 01:05:20
A lot of. 01:05:26
I I would say kind of ownership from the neighborhood. 01:05:28
But we worked, uh, really expensive. 01:05:30
When you went with the neighbors to plan out these areas? 01:05:32
Umm, and So what this comprises is basically kind of a wish list of the residents of what of the different types of amenities that 01:05:36
they wanted to see within this 80 acres. 01:05:41
So 80 acres being the what we call the fish hook on the South side, which is. 01:05:45
Therein, that is umm. 01:05:50
A large. A large. 01:05:52
Portion of it is designated for wetlands. 01:05:54
Then you have Umm Gana Park, which is 6 acre existing park and then the Robbins property, uh, which is the large fields, 11 acres 01:05:56
and then going up you have several acres. 01:06:00
Umm. And so the. 01:06:05
Portion that was talked about. 01:06:07
On Center St. and all the way Rd. that is kind of a designated placeholder for. 01:06:10
Some sort of facility. We've heard a lot from residents that in the future they wanted to have a Recreation Center or a Cultural 01:06:16
Center or Community Center. We know there's some sort of a center that that the residents have. 01:06:22
I've talked about wanting. 01:06:27
Umm, and so that's that. That's a placeholder for that. 01:06:28
Uh, there, uh. 01:06:32
This would impact the the existing baseball field. I think that's part of what Brian. 01:06:34
Uh, generally has is kind of talking about is coming back through. 01:06:39
Not changing the whole plan, but. 01:06:44
But and and and you see this all the time. You have a master plan several years later, then you start to to fine tune it as as 01:06:45
reality starts to hit. 01:06:49
So potentially the the idea may be to keep it just improved the existing baseball field that is kind of heritage field that that 01:06:53
that was. 01:06:57
Perfect Park. 01:07:01
And it may be we would keep that. 01:07:03
Umm, and then looking at doing. 01:07:05
Doing some overall methods, but this plan just comprises what is kind of the the wish list as you master planned it. 01:07:07
And the idea is as we move forward, then we start to implement and that's where you start getting into in the budgeting. So this 01:07:13
plan will take. 01:07:16
You know, 20 years to to implement because we'll take up a piece of that time. 01:07:20
We have done a wetland delineation study. I don't know if uh. 01:07:24
Patrick, going to see if you would like to talk about. My understanding is that areas shown for. 01:07:28
The for for the. 01:07:33
The amenities now are not. 01:07:36
A designated for for. 01:07:38
But that's correct. Uh, so. 01:07:44
There are areas that are that, uh. 01:07:46
Uh, fish hook area that's. 01:07:48
Got that merchant that was. 01:07:49
They're emerging web apps, emergency web app. 01:07:51
That would be a. 01:07:55
Request would be would be connected to the US Army Corps of Engineers. 01:07:59
Which currently with the government shutdown, the federal government shutdown is up on hold. 01:08:04
On that one. 01:08:11
And what that does is it kind of does the jurisdictional determination of what if. 01:08:13
It's uh, in regards to. 01:08:19
If anything, if anything, would be within the federal jurisdiction or if it's within. 01:08:21
Federal jurisdiction. 01:08:26
On that irregardless. 01:08:27
The area that's shown in, in terms of the areas that are approved is not within any of those. 01:08:30
Areas as well. 01:08:36
OK, so bottom line. 01:08:37
That's perfectly we're we're within our buffer area. 01:08:39
Thank you. 01:08:43
For that, yeah. Any modifications? 01:08:44
To wetlands area. 01:08:46
Does require quite a bit of. 01:08:49
Federal. 01:08:50
Review and approval. 01:08:51
That's a process, so. 01:08:53
Thank you. 01:08:55
Bye. 01:08:56
OK, I I'll one follow up. 01:08:58
OK, come on up. 01:09:01
No, Yeah, I'm just coming up. Can I make one? Sure. 01:09:02
Kind of comment, clarifying comment. 01:09:05
Just so we're, we're fully all aligned on this one, Brian, you were saying right, there is no fiscal impact to this because? 01:09:07
For putting in the the bipart. 01:09:13
And the skate park. Or we can wait and phase it out so that there isn't because. 01:09:16
There's already funds earmarked. 01:09:20
Set aside for this and then. 01:09:22
We're going to compliance that I grant will move forward. 01:09:24
Correct. 01:09:26
So there is no tax. 01:09:27
Yes, that's correct. No tax increase. Yeah, I just wanted to make sure that was really clear. Thank you. 01:09:28
I just wanna make sure I understand. 01:09:34
That this area now is. 01:09:36
It's not under federal protection. 01:09:39
Am I understanding you correctly? This area is not wetlands. 01:09:42
So. 01:09:47
OK. 01:09:47
Thanks, let's. 01:09:48
Yeah, I just want the way I understand it. 01:09:49
The building we're on right now? 01:09:51
Not wetlands. 01:09:53
This area proposed here has tentative approval already submitted, but it's not finalized yet. So the area that. 01:09:54
You said the area that is shown for the skate park and the. 01:10:01
That area right there. 01:10:05
So that area itself. 01:10:07
We we conduct the environmental study in that area does not have any. 01:10:10
What they call it Virgin Webmail. 01:10:15
Or, uh, so it's. 01:10:17
Uh, so that area itself is out, is outside. 01:10:19
Outside any. 01:10:23
Potential. 01:10:24
In fact, that would be done. 01:10:25
Was like in Athens was it had without confidence. 01:10:27
Uh, we sent a request to the core of. 01:10:30
Aren't you guys only corps engineers to follow up his determination? 01:10:35
And. 01:10:39
To file, to finalize, to finalize the determinations that we're confident that. 01:10:41
Based on our survey that we've done that we're outside. 01:10:45
Back until and when we're outside, we stay. 01:10:49
The ARM recall engineers. 01:10:52
Physically launch at least 56 offers from any areas that could potentially be or outside of. 01:10:53
That's my area. 01:10:58
OK. 01:10:59
Again, we're going through the process. 01:11:00
For the whole entire area. 01:11:03
OK. Appreciate that. 01:11:05
Yeah. 01:11:09
I can't remember. She's asked for the records. That's when the survey is done. 01:11:12
So I can't remember the exact time. 01:11:16
Yeah, it was completed in June. 01:11:19
Thank you of this year. 01:11:22
So what I'll do, I'll encourage if there are follow up. 01:11:24
Conversations. Questions about that? 01:11:26
Please continue that. And then at the scene, is that the mask? I don't know if those are able to be shared. 01:11:27
You know, if the president wanted to be with you, but we we haven't made application yet, so. 01:11:33
OK, great. 01:11:37
Umm, one thing I just want to share before we move on to the next item. Umm. 01:11:39
Earlier we talked. 01:11:44
About being a community that you know has standards. 01:11:45
That, uh, you know, that's our responsibility to be the kind of community that we want to be to. 01:11:48
Either detract or detract certain businesses. 01:11:54
This is the exact kind of project. 01:11:56
That make sure we are the kind of community we want to be. 01:11:58
This is how we protect those standards. 01:12:02
This is how we show that we value our kids. 01:12:04
We give them opportunities to do safe. 01:12:06
Activities. 01:12:08
Umm, I can't think of a better use. 01:12:09
Of my personal money than to invested in my kids and their friends. 01:12:11
And so even if there were fiscal impacts? 01:12:14
Even if there were opportunities to donate, I'd. 01:12:17
Absolutely do it because I can't think of. 01:12:19
Any better thing? 01:12:21
With my money right now. 01:12:22
Umm, recently there's been talks about using this space or began part space. 01:12:24
Or more buildings like a City Hall. 01:12:29
Opposed to. 01:12:31
I don't want to. 01:12:33
Ever remove? 01:12:34
Park space recreation. 01:12:36
Uh, for something like that, I don't want to give it up so as. 01:12:38
Anything we can do to? 01:12:41
Protect this plan. 01:12:42
And even enhance it so it's even more active use. 01:12:44
At. 01:12:48
And a comment to add to that is that. 01:12:50
In all of the surveying that's been done in the past, these are the things our entire community has. 01:12:52
Committed to saying this is what we want. 01:12:57
So this is. These are the types of. 01:12:59
Amenities that the. 01:13:01
The city at large does desire. 01:13:02
And we should be protecting. 01:13:05
OK, Yep. 01:13:07
Thank you. OK. Does that give you the feedback? 01:13:09
You need to move forward OK. 01:13:12
Thank you so much. 01:13:14
Alright, move on to the next work session, which is the Utah Lake Shoreline Trail. 01:13:16
Amenities. 01:13:21
Which is more? 01:13:22
Active space and public spaces. 01:13:23
So are you doing that with you, Brian? I am. You get to hear from me again. You are welcome. 01:13:25
Or, I'm sorry, however you wanna do that. 01:13:31
Be welcome. Umm OK so. 01:13:33
With this item, essentially we. 01:13:36
Partnered with ula to get a your grant. 01:13:38
Umm, we got in. 01:13:42
UH-5050 match again. This was a $18,000 grant from them. 01:13:43
To put in three shaded benches. 01:13:48
UH-3 bike repair stations and four. 01:13:51
Uh, lake themed. 01:13:54
Bike racks to go along the Utah Lake Shoreline Trail. 01:13:56
And so this is just to keep you in the loop and also to get your thoughts. 01:14:00
On. 01:14:04
The proposed locations and amenities. 01:14:05
So let me just pull up a. 01:14:08
View photos really quick. 01:14:10
OK, essentially here is a picture of the proposed. 01:14:30
Umm, bike repair station. 01:14:33
There we go, get. 01:14:37
And this. 01:14:39
Also has an air pump with it. 01:14:40
So we would have. 01:14:43
Potentially three of those. 01:14:45
Sorry, hold on. 01:14:55
We're all uploaded as individual. Jason they were. I am so sorry. There's there's one at Sunset Beach Park. 01:14:56
OK. 01:15:04
While you download a bunch of those, ask a question. OK, yeah, keep doing that. 01:15:05
Umm, several weeks ago, active Transportation committee had a public workshop where, uh, we have different residents. 01:15:09
Uh, what they like here? 01:15:16
Where all of was. 01:15:17
Was the feedback received at that workshop incorporated and stuff we're seeing tonight? 01:15:20
So we had, we had one for. 01:15:27
Project called it's the blocks that have been yours. It's about Madison's work. Do you want to give just a quick update on that 01:15:29
and pass involved? Yeah, Brian and I downloaded into hoops with the feedback that I received both from the survey and the town 01:15:35
hall. Umm so we've been working together because some of the proposed locations do fall on Netflix. 01:15:40
OK. 01:15:46
Great. Just want to make sure it's clear. 01:15:47
We're not the only body that's. 01:15:50
There's been other. 01:15:51
Public outreach and community workshops. 01:15:53
On this, so that's great. 01:15:55
OK, let me just show you this next one. 01:15:59
Um, so this is a. 01:16:01
Report of differentiated bench options. 01:16:06
That we were able to find with price quotes. 01:16:09
Um, we run this by arch Commission. Their recommendation was to do this red one. 01:16:13
Or to do. 01:16:19
Uh, benches that are not shaded. 01:16:21
Just because. 01:16:23
There's only a certain time of day when they're shaded. 01:16:24
And ones that aren't shaded are much less expensive, so. 01:16:27
The Arches recommendation was that we do more than three benches. 01:16:31
Um, they just aren't shaded. 01:16:35
Instead of just doing 3 shaded ones. So that was one question that I wanted to ask for you and then also if there was any of these 01:16:38
that you prefer. 01:16:42
So maybe we start with that. 01:16:47
OK. I'll call you download the next one. Yeah. 01:16:48
Comments. Strong opinions. 01:16:52
Only if they're strong. 01:16:55
I don't have strong opinions, I think I. 01:16:57
Probably tend to agree with. 01:16:59
Of thinking of. 01:17:00
You know a. 01:17:03
That's just nice when it. 01:17:04
Is an exchange that is. 01:17:06
Depending on where these are located, it's. 01:17:07
There if the sitting area is only going to be shaded. 01:17:10
1/2 an hour. 01:17:14
A day during the summer like does that. 01:17:15
And we could get. 01:17:18
Three more benches in other locations and get shades from. 01:17:19
Neighboring trees or something like Would that be a better use of funds? 01:17:22
I think yeah the answer. 01:17:26
Then I would say yeah. 01:17:28
I think it's less likely that we'll get. 01:17:29
Then sitting in the heat of the summer in the middle of the day regardless. So I would also. 01:17:31
Confirm more ventures because the time when it's lovely is. 01:17:36
You know. 01:17:40
All evening all of this time, so activity would be a little bit irrelevant and and more. 01:17:40
More spots be better. 01:17:45
OK, Cups. 01:17:48
OK, David. 01:17:50
I have to say I. 01:17:54
Uh, I echoed our thoughts. Should. 01:17:57
I'm not sure the expense of. 01:17:59
Shaded. 01:18:02
Is value. 01:18:04
Before the focus, we can. 01:18:08
There's the cost, a bunch of advantages if we can get more benches. 01:18:11
OK, OK. 01:18:15
OK, thanks. We all feel the same way about that, Sir. OK, great. 01:18:17
So here's a couple. 01:18:22
Potential options for bike racks. 01:18:24
And we'll just verify that this is. 01:18:26
Umm, in line with code for the city. 01:18:29
Which I don't think that is. And this is what? 01:18:32
Yeah, I wanted to come in on. 01:18:34
As much as I like the. 01:18:36
Themed aspects of it. 01:18:38
Functionally. 01:18:41
It's not as good. 01:18:43
Kevlar code. 01:18:44
Specifies. 01:18:45
And code says no fish by correct. 01:18:46
Well, they just it has guidelines for the type like I think the to you upside down gotta you gotta. 01:18:49
Which we now have. 01:18:55
Outside of. 01:18:56
This building if. 01:18:57
You know, it's interested in what that looks like. But yeah, I think that. 01:18:59
I my recommendation as someone who. 01:19:02
Bikes exclusively. 01:19:05
This type of rack is not. 01:19:07
Check functional. 01:19:09
It doesn't work. 01:19:10
And we would be better served. 01:19:11
To have. 01:19:15
What are code specified the upside down? 01:19:16
Type rack. OK, I'll pass on where. 01:19:18
Is there another kind of animal bike rack behind there that we need to consider? 01:19:20
This was an accident by the. 01:19:32
Umm, they they're doing a deer. 01:19:35
But umm. 01:19:38
Nothing is final with that so. 01:19:39
Well, I can definitely make sure it's up to Yeah, I'd have to say I I agree with Kate. My I. 01:19:42
OK, I think it's important to choose functionality. 01:19:45
And there's nothing that says we can't have. 01:19:49
A boring bike rack. 01:19:54
Next to cool public art. 01:19:55
Still put in public art, but don't sacrifice functionality for it. 01:19:56
OK, so then the last thing that I will share is just to go over some locations instead of just bringing up every single individual 01:20:02
images. 01:20:05
I'll just kind of show you on Google Maps. So essentially this is a Vineyard beach. 01:20:08
Um, the dirt, you know, parking lot, gravel parking lot. 01:20:12
We would have, uh, shaded bench here. 01:20:16
Uh, or sorry, it would not be shaded. We will do just a normal batch. 01:20:19
Umm, we'd have bike rack here. 01:20:23
With a bike repair station and then a bike rack here. 01:20:25
Um, and that little shoulder right there is. 01:20:29
Is is very popular spot you see people. 01:20:33
Just standing there looking at the sunset. So it's totally pick that spot. Excellent. 01:20:35
OK, the next. 01:20:40
That's no I agree what we'll do. 01:20:43
Just speak up if you ever have opinions before it's gone. 01:20:45
OK. 01:20:48
OK, the next one would be a bench here. It'd be right next to the shrubbery that's here, so that will already have its own built 01:20:49
in shade, which is great. 01:20:52
Well, all these ventures be. 01:20:58
Facing West. 01:20:59
Towards the lake or. 01:21:00
And then at the center St. 01:21:04
Intersection. 01:21:06
There's like some parking spaces there. 01:21:08
So we would have a. 01:21:10
A bike rack on each side of the benches and then we would have a bike repair station as well. 01:21:12
And then we would also have. 01:21:18
A bench. 01:21:21
Down here just off of 170 S, you just come NA little bit on the trail. 01:21:23
Super looking out over the lake. 01:21:28
And then we'll. 01:21:29
Counter locations as well, but. 01:21:30
Do you guys have any concerns with that or any questions? 01:21:32
No concerns, just one comment. 01:21:35
For, umm, just for the public. 01:21:37
If you don't have the full packet, just to note that this also does not have a fiscal impact because it's already been. 01:21:39
Based on the documentation here anyway, it's already been allocated in our several years. That's correct. Correct. 01:21:45
OK, great. 01:21:49
Thank you. 01:21:51
OK. Thanks, Brian. 01:21:52
Anyone here members of the public that have comments or questions? 01:21:54
I apologize for coming up so much, but I just have another question, Daria. 01:22:03
Are you worried at all about vandalism of the air? 01:22:08
Oh, that's the question I have. 01:22:11
Thank you. 01:22:14
Thanks. 01:22:15
Alright, umm, any other? 01:22:17
Comment. 01:22:18
OK. 01:22:21
Seeing none. 01:22:22
Brian, if you could address? 01:22:23
Maintenance. 01:22:25
And vandalism. 01:22:25
In general. 01:22:27
Yeah, uh, we have a number of bike repair stations throughout the city and. 01:22:30
From what I've. 01:22:33
Uh, heard or I guess not heard? I haven't heard tons of issues. On occasion they do break and so. 01:22:34
We have a parking that can go out and maintain those. 01:22:39
Um, so. 01:22:42
I guess. 01:22:44
My question is. 01:22:45
Yes. Uh, my answer is yes and no. Yes, I think there's a possibility to that. 01:22:46
And I think we should ensure that we keep close tabs on them. 01:22:51
Umm, that's kind of my take on that. 01:22:55
Yeah. 01:22:58
Alright, any last? 01:23:00
Comments or. 01:23:01
Questions or discussion before we move on to the last item. 01:23:02
Did I give you what you needed? 01:23:08
Alright. 01:23:09
Thank you. 01:23:11
I love parts. 01:23:14
Alright. 01:23:15
Our last item is the First Amendment to the holdaway field. 01:23:17
Uh, development. 01:23:21
Uh, the adjusted development agreement, which is Ordinance 2025-16. 01:23:22
Umm, Morgan, is this you? 01:23:28
Or Anthony. 01:23:30
Alright, let's hear it. Yeah. So this, this will be Anthony. Uh, what we wanted to do is just get this before you, uh, this will 01:23:31
come in a public hearing format. 01:23:35
So right now, umm staff is in the process of of looking at it with our legal counsel and providing comments. That's been this is 01:23:38
tonight is for the applicant. 01:23:42
To be able to provide kind of the the general overview and then. 01:23:46
We would recommend that you review. 01:23:49
Umm, the development provided comments to staff and then we'll have an official public hearing. Umm. 01:23:51
OK. And our next meeting? 01:23:56
So this is just a work session just like we've been doing the last ones, no? 01:23:58
Formal action to make. 01:24:02
Yes, thank you very much, Morgan and. 01:24:04
So I'll jump right into it. 01:24:07
Uh, for location context this. 01:24:09
Area highlighted on the South side of. 01:24:11
Where we are in the city. 01:24:14
Is what has been the site for the 295. 01:24:16
Unit development. 01:24:21
More location context here. 01:24:24
Give an idea of how it's been laid out in the whole site. 01:24:28
Now the. 01:24:32
The developer is looking to amend. 01:24:33
This development agreement. 01:24:35
To meet up with. 01:24:37
Their new strategy of. 01:24:41
You know, keep. 01:24:42
The new strategy of developing. 01:24:44
This entire development that was planned. 01:24:45
A while back ago. 01:24:50
And this is highlights of what they intend to do. 01:24:51
I have the developer here. 01:24:55
To answer questions and tell you a lot more about it. 01:24:56
But they intend to. 01:24:59
Revise the facing plan. 01:25:01
They're moving some. 01:25:03
Yeah, moving some lots. 01:25:05
From different faces. 01:25:07
To make more sense to. 01:25:09
Their style of progression. 01:25:11
Also this. 01:25:13
Development comes with three parts. 01:25:15
And, umm, this amendment is looking to. 01:25:17
Change a few things with. 01:25:21
It's completion and dedication to the city. 01:25:23
As well as. 01:25:27
The front page. 01:25:29
Adjustment. 01:25:32
Post size to the cottage lot. 01:25:33
As part of this whole amendment. 01:25:36
This log front page adjustment is intended to. 01:25:39
Allow for three car garages in. 01:25:43
The you know the units that decide to have such built done. 01:25:45
And I have them here so they can speak more to. 01:25:50
The summaries. 01:25:53
So. 01:25:55
This is. 01:25:57
The currently approved. 01:26:00
Placement plans. 01:26:01
Showing up here. 01:26:03
And what is being? 01:26:04
Proposed. 01:26:05
That's what I have here where you see umm. 01:26:07
If I show them side by side, I mean we have the. 01:26:11
Let me approve on top. 01:26:14
And the proposed on the bottom. 01:26:15
You can tell that say 6 has. 01:26:17
Change to become now. 01:26:19
Phase 9 is what they are proven. 01:26:21
Uh, Phase 7 is going to change to become phase three. 01:26:23
Phase five remains phase five but has less lots. 01:26:27
Phase three becomes phase seven, so all these things, they'll speak more to it and give you. 01:26:33
The rationale and intense. 01:26:38
Behind these. 01:26:40
Uh, amendment being proposed. 01:26:41
So without much. 01:26:44
If I do, I will advise the developer to step up to the podium. 01:26:46
And introduce yourself. 01:26:51
And tell us all about. 01:26:54
Your proposal right and 90 with uh hold away sales farms. 01:26:55
Umm, let me explain. Just kind of the rationale behind what we're doing is is you can imagine when you're. 01:27:01
Determining it about. 01:27:09
Development agreement before. 01:27:10
You build anything, sometimes the timing of waiting is constructed. 01:27:12
Is is. 01:27:16
Difficult to anticipate. 01:27:18
Umm, we have two different product types in here. We have single family kind of larger lot and then we have. 01:27:19
The cottage office is more. 01:27:24
UH-55 and older. 01:27:27
Community and the way we set up the phases we were thinking maybe that the. 01:27:29
Caught in life would sell quicker than the single family lot. It's turned out a little bit opposite of that. 01:27:33
And so we're running into a problem where. 01:27:38
Our lot delivery is not matching up to what it is and it's causing Start Stop. 01:27:41
Not allowing us to kind of keep the project going smoothly. 01:27:47
Umm, And so we looked at try and so umm, the ad flexibility into the development agreement that allows us to. 01:27:50
Move forward with phases as we see fit. 01:27:57
But still deliver parts according to. 01:27:59
The certificate of occupancy grid on the bottom right hand corner if you see. 01:28:02
The only thing we're asking is that, um. 01:28:06
We swap the parks when we deliver the parks originally. 01:28:09
For whatever reason, we were going to deliver the park on the West side. 01:28:13
Towards the lakes first. 01:28:16
And we think that it makes more sense from a development standpoint, utility standpoint. 01:28:18
And usability standpoint to deliver the park on the West side first. 01:28:23
And so nothing changes as far as. 01:28:27
Certificate Certificate of occupancy hurdles. 01:28:29
It's just the West one would come in before the E 1. 01:28:32
And then the bike park along the. 01:28:35
Along the lake trail would be the same. Nothing's changing. 01:28:37
Yeah, Excuse me. 01:28:41
He's coming in before the last apologize. 01:28:42
Umm, the sequential nature of. 01:28:45
Of the zoning. 01:28:49
Matters, but doesn't really matter. 01:28:51
And matters in the sense that. 01:28:52
That, the way we're proposing it now, matches better with where utilities connect to. 01:28:54
So for example phase three. 01:28:59
We have to connect the sewer line up on to. 01:29:01
I forget the name of that road. 01:29:05
300 W. 01:29:07
And so our thought is, is that makes more sense than having it be phase seven and. 01:29:08
Point frogging development. 01:29:12
Should have thought of that earlier, but again with early when you're. 01:29:14
Going through all these details, now we know where the connections are, where the details are. 01:29:17
Umm, and allows us to also just this this proposal allows us to. 01:29:22
We may jump from phase two to phase 7. 01:29:26
Or to Phase 9 or to Phase three, depending on what we think is necessary. 01:29:29
But it doesn't change. 01:29:33
The fact that we have to bill it for the parks. 01:29:34
According to the certificate of occupancy hurdle that we. 01:29:37
Had an original agreement. 01:29:40
As far as the lot width, umm request and to go from 40 to 70 to simply allow it doesn't increase any unit count within the 01:29:42
development. 01:29:47
It just allows for us to. 01:29:51
Do 3 car garages on some and not on others and also adjust. 01:29:54
Product size. 01:29:57
On a 40 lot versus a 70 lot, which gives us a little bit. 01:29:59
Better spread of. 01:30:02
Cost and so. 01:30:03
We're not as close. 01:30:05
In price point, it's kind of a different product. 01:30:06
Umm, on a smaller lot. 01:30:09
But without increasing unit size. 01:30:10
No, OK. 01:30:14
I appreciate it. Thank you. 01:30:16
Is there anything else from staff? 01:30:17
Yeah, that that was really it. So we're working with them on on some of the language I know our our legal counsel is going going 01:30:21
through. So some of the terminology and the changes that that were put in there. So our goal. 01:30:27
Just to kind of just assure that the same level of amenities. 01:30:33
Are are delivered and that just the the same time like that that structure the weather does. 01:30:36
Projecting fits bill. 01:30:41
So yeah, we should have this track for the next. 01:30:42
A Planning Commission for a Republican. 01:30:47
Thank you. Mm-hmm. 01:30:50
I would assess too that I think. 01:30:52
You haven't been involved in the history of this, but this. 01:30:54
We've we've. I would say 4 S would be connected. 01:30:57
If we had this flexibility. 01:31:02
And that's really what we're looking for is. 01:31:04
Is we need to, we need to be able to move forward without having to start and stop and start and stop. 01:31:06
And this allows us to do that. And it's really important from a development standpoint to do and we would have had. 01:31:11
Other things in. 01:31:16
We haven't been able to sell houses in there, single family homes in there for almost 6 months now. 01:31:17
So hopefully we can get this done and be able to. 01:31:23
Keep going. 01:31:25
OK, uh, if I can I just one thing and I this is a conversation happening and this may be. 01:31:26
Brian as well, but there was a desire in the past of potentially allow for a small retail use. 01:31:31
In the clubhouse. 01:31:38
There there was a or Mary that was Eric Matt Navali. 01:31:39
Allowing for like an ice cream shop or something where he he indicated that, you know, it would provide kind of a. 01:31:44
Excellence for people in the age restricted communities that together and have. 01:31:51
Streaming a small place for them to walk to. 01:31:55
If we do that, we would need to. 01:31:58
Put that flexibility within the development agreement we can. 01:32:01
The size of it. 01:32:04
How it was proposed to us was that it would be more of just a small. 01:32:06
Fight kitchen, community gathering thing, that's what. That's part of the clubhouse. 01:32:10
And so I don't know if there's still a desire for that, umm, but we would. 01:32:15
If you want to do that, you don't want to go back to the. 01:32:18
Process again. 01:32:20
To to have that you send it, so I would. 01:32:22
Suggested that the desire to propose it in this amendment. 01:32:24
Alright, thank you. 01:32:28
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Have a conversation. 01:32:30
OK, great. 01:32:35
OK, umm. 01:32:36
So there's a Commission, we'll start on this side, but. 01:32:37
Rather than David. 01:32:40
Umm, really. Just. 01:32:41
Want to hear your thoughts and any opinions. 01:32:43
If you have strong opinions on. 01:32:46
The proposed kind of restructuring that you see here, as well as the potential of a light commercial. 01:32:48
Use. 01:32:54
Now faster they can connect up four cells that seem the better. 01:32:57
I know a couple people who live over there and. 01:33:01
OK, there you go. 01:33:06
Do it till the neighbors start. 01:33:09
Stop bothering, Brad. 01:33:12
OK. 01:33:13
OK. David, do you have any thoughts? 01:33:15
You know how? 01:33:20
I don't think I've heard anything. 01:33:25
From you. 01:33:27
That I disagree with. 01:33:28
I don't believe. 01:33:34
It is detrimental. 01:33:36
To the city. 01:33:37
Uh, to its current plans. 01:33:39
George, Current development. 01:33:42
To make these modifications. 01:33:45
I think it works for you. I think it works for the city. 01:33:52
And it works for the developer. 01:33:55
Take more partners. 01:33:57
Yeah. 01:33:59
Good. Thank you. 01:34:00
I'm crazy. 01:34:01
Yeah, I have the idea of uh. 01:34:04
A little amenity. 01:34:05
OK, great. 01:34:09
Yeah, I mean, I echo. 01:34:12
What's been said? I think this makes sense. 01:34:13
The reason why you're asking for this and I think. 01:34:15
That you know. 01:34:18
We're at our best when we are. 01:34:19
A good partner and. 01:34:21
This doesn't seem to change anything that. 01:34:22
Was agreed upon. 01:34:25
Initially. 01:34:26
Is just, you know, kind of. 01:34:27
Semantics on how it gets done. So I think that's great and. 01:34:28
Right. I agree with, uh, with creating that. 01:34:31
If uh, retail type use is something that you'd be looking for in the clubhouse I think. 01:34:33
That would be a great amenity to have for those. 01:34:39
Residents. So yeah, I don't. 01:34:42
Having a reason to to oppose that. 01:34:44
So I don't have any concerns. Umm, I think it's interesting. Umm and. 01:34:48
Just, uh, insightful to to hear that those 65 plus. 01:34:54
Sold out so quickly and I think that shows the need for some diverse options. 01:34:59
In our city and we want to be a multi generational city. 01:35:03
I love the the talk track we've been on about being. 01:35:06
Seeing great neighbors and the type of city you want to be, anything that helps us with that so. 01:35:10
I love getting that. 01:35:14
Started. 01:35:16
Umm yeah, no concern here. 01:35:17
Great. Thanks. 01:35:19
Two quick questions, probably more from Morgan. 01:35:20
The previous body that approved this, did they give any strong reason or indication why they wanted a certain. 01:35:23
Phasing schedule or is that simply because that's what was proposed, that they approved what was proposed? 01:35:29
Yeah, the main issue was about the delivery of the men of these sports South. 01:35:34
And so if we can maintain that within the development agreement. 01:35:39
From a staff side, I think we're we're, we're going to be OK. 01:35:43
Com And so as, as umm, our legal counsel go goes throughout that's. 01:35:46
Kind of direction you provided would be showing that. 01:35:51
It's kind of the same, the same units. 01:35:54
I know that he does have. 01:35:57
Can't get that he will have some proposed. 01:35:59
Umm, language changes, but I don't think it's really an anything too significant for the most part there. There's alignment. 01:36:01
So we're, we're, we're going to meet next week after he has all these calls together. 01:36:08
We'll have a look to the. 01:36:13
The clinic mission within the adjustments. 01:36:14
Cool. And then lastly, when it comes to like park delivery? 01:36:15
It's really just. 01:36:20
Tied with the number of. 01:36:21
CEO's with lots. 01:36:23
Not which lot? 01:36:24
Just the number of blocks, right? 01:36:25
Yeah. 01:36:27
And so that's, that's why the phasing, the phasing kind of connects more with the, the road. So it's umm. 01:36:28
Spot 4 in the South, it's back into the phase. 01:36:34
And so. 01:36:38
That's that that. That was more of. 01:36:40
Uh, I think it was that, yeah. It was more like the collector rose and. 01:36:42
Things like that we're connected to, like that phase one, that's where we have the connection to Sleepy Bridge. That was the first 01:36:45
one built. 01:36:47
Yeah, I don't see enough changes here. 01:36:52
To necessitate government getting involved and telling you what to do. 01:36:54
So I hate this thing. 01:36:57
A lot of. 01:36:59
Umm, but I do want to give opportunity for members of the community commentating if there's any strong opinion. 01:37:00
Uh, now it's your turn. 01:37:06
Oh, sorry, uh. 01:37:09
Oh man. 01:37:11
You, you don't know how much that sum that's that's like a. 01:37:13
Greatest Baking Show handshake Thumbs up the lottery, you know. 01:37:15
It's OK. 01:37:20
Hi, it's David Larae. 01:37:21
Holy Holy Rd. 01:37:23
Umm, I'm, I'm just. 01:37:25
Curious, I see a few explanation. 01:37:26
The uh, the Park Street was coming in different order. The east. 01:37:28
Part comes in first, as I understand it is that. Listen to this. 01:37:31
And, umm. 01:37:35
And if you could clarify exactly which area? 01:37:35
Is the East Park and what that timing would be when it comes to the first. 01:37:39
Uh, is it? Is it part of that? 01:37:43
The farm, the farm buildings, and so forth and. 01:37:46
There was a. There was an intent at one point to. 01:37:49
Trying to help save some of those and make the heritage site. 01:37:51
And so I'm wondering if, if, uh, if that might. 01:37:54
Just change and. 01:37:57
Phasing we get in the way of that. 01:37:58
OK. Thank you. 01:38:01
It might help if you could also show like a Google Maps. 01:38:03
Just so you can see what's currently existing and show. 01:38:06
Approximately where all these things are located. 01:38:09
Umm, but. 01:38:11
Any other members of the public? 01:38:13
Before we address those things. 01:38:15
All right, couple comments closed. 01:38:17
Uh, Morgan or applicant? 01:38:19
If you could just clarify the proposed order of the park. Possibility of a heritage site. 01:38:22
And timing? 01:38:27
Yeah, so the East Park is where all the barns and the silos are, where the fire was over the summer time, just to the north of it. 01:38:29
We've had, we've had. 01:38:33
A little bit of issue keeping people in and out of those and they're very dilapidated. And so that's part of the reason why we 01:38:37
would like to. 01:38:40
Accelerate getting those down into a part. 01:38:44
As far as the heritage nature of that park, umm. 01:38:46
It's been talked about as. 01:38:49
As David mentioned, it's not been programmed or discussed in detail. Exactly what would be heritage nature of those. 01:38:51
What would be kept and not kept? I think we'd have to kind of do a safety study to see what makes. 01:38:58
What what is safe for the public and I think we're open to working with the park people and staff to kind of decide how that works 01:39:02
as far as delivery. 01:39:06
Umm, if you wanna put up that other chart, it shows you where the CFO triggers are on. 01:39:10
On that other phase, and again that wouldn't change, just simply swapping the East versus the West. 01:39:15
I believe that it's too it's. 01:39:20
Uh, at least 114 yeah, for the, uh, the Lake Park, so the now 114 C of OS for the east park. 01:39:22
And then it's 150, give or take for the bike park and I think 200 and something for the. 01:39:31
From the Lake Park. 01:39:36
It's on the next one. 01:39:38
Anthony, if you have the one that. 01:39:39
Follow it right there in the bottom. 01:39:43
114 So E Park is 114. We're now saying that would be the East yeah, E Park, so it would be 114. 01:39:45
I think we're at maybe. 01:39:54
40 or. 01:39:58
Forney, I would say give or take right now. 01:39:59
So. 01:40:02
So. 01:40:03
You know, we've been building in there for 18 months. 01:40:04
Give or take. So third double layer, yeah. 01:40:06
So when we, uh, we did meet with the account forces. 01:40:09
Two years ago about about the East park. 01:40:12
And there was interest in trying to preserve? 01:40:15
Either one of those silos maybe doing like a big vineyard. 01:40:18
Umm, painting on top of it because it is up high. 01:40:21
Umm, we did have our umm engineer and also billing official George Green at the time they went through the bond because the bond 01:40:24
was really kind of a new building. 01:40:28
But umm, they both felt like it. It wasn't dangerous. 01:40:32
Yeah, they said like their their recommendation is if you want that look, you could do an architectural survey. 01:40:35
So you can basically. 01:40:42
Draw up the plans if you wanted just to recreate that and and. 01:40:43
In place so that that could be an option, there's. 01:40:47
Talk to calls involved. So the developers would be required for baseline improvements that are spelled out in the development 01:40:50
agreement. So anything above that would be on the city. It'd be a betterment. 01:40:55
OK. Thank you. 01:41:02
Any closing comments or thoughts? 01:41:06
I think the general consensus is proceed. 01:41:09
And we're excited to see this come back. 01:41:12
Thank you. 01:41:15
Alright. 01:41:17
Uh, we are now at our Staffing Commission report. 01:41:18
As the of the Commission, is there anything to report on? 01:41:21
OK, stop anything. 01:41:26
Umm, I don't know if we recorded on this last time. 01:41:29
And David Pierce, along with several staff members, went to the Utah APA conference. Did he? If anyone else went to let me know, 01:41:32
but. 01:41:36
I, I, we, umm. 01:41:40
I, I, It was really a amazing session. We actually had a umm. 01:41:42
Well, he was like the New York. 01:41:45
He was he was the commissioner of in North Carolina. 01:41:48
But he had worked in in New York as well. 01:41:52
So he came and talked and just talked about like the how important parks are and. 01:41:54
And really, when you invest as a community with every dollar you invest in your park space. 01:41:59
Is gonna bring the quality of life. 01:42:04
Of the community up. 01:42:06
And provide an example, an example of that. And so I think that's really cool for the work that Brian's doing and the Planning 01:42:07
Commission, City Council and. 01:42:11
And the active transportation today? 01:42:15
That the, the more that we put into our park space is the more and more investing into our use and, you know, the, the community 01:42:17
on the whole. So that, that was kind of my, my big take away. I think we're really on the right track everything. 01:42:23
It seems like like a lot of the priorities. 01:42:29
Developing is a great open space systems throughout the city. 01:42:32
Wonderful. 01:42:36
All right. 01:42:39
Hearing nothing else. 01:42:41
We'll go ahead and adjourn to our next meeting. 01:42:42
Good night everyone. 01:42:45