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| All right, thank you everyone for coming. We're gonna go ahead and get started with the Planning Commission meeting for the City | 00:00:04 | |
| of Vineyards, February 5th, 2025. | 00:00:08 | |
| Starting at 6:06 PM. Apologies for being 6 minutes late, but we're starting now, so thank you. | 00:00:13 | |
| Uh, we're gonna go ahead and start just with everything that's on the agenda item number one, with an invocation and a Pledge of | 00:00:20 | |
| Allegiance given by Caden. | 00:00:24 | |
| And whatever order you prefer, uh, let's start with, let's do it. | 00:00:28 | |
| I pledge allegiance to the flag. | 00:00:33 | |
| Of the United States of America. | 00:00:38 | |
| And you need to recover our vision stamps. | 00:00:41 | |
| One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. | 00:00:44 | |
| OK, projection doesn't really bother everything before this. | 00:00:55 | |
| Stay with that we've invested for this opportunity that we have to meet as. | 00:00:59 | |
| Citizens of this great city were thankful for. | 00:01:04 | |
| Uh, the blessing that it is to, to live here we exercise. Please help us tonight to. | 00:01:07 | |
| Umm, learn and. | 00:01:12 | |
| Uh, make some decisions we think before. | 00:01:14 | |
| This opportunity that we have to be involved in that would ask that I would please. | 00:01:18 | |
| Bless us and and the citizens of the city that we will. | 00:01:22 | |
| Umm, be able to plan for a bright future. We love you and say these things in the name of Jesus Christ, Amen. | 00:01:25 | |
| I'm in. Thank you. | 00:01:30 | |
| All right, we'll move on to item number 2. Presentations, recognition, awards, proclamations and such. Umm. | 00:01:32 | |
| I wanted to start by recognizing our new Commissioner, David Pierce, who's here on the stand with us today. Uh. | 00:01:38 | |
| Uh, David, can you give us just a little information about yourself? | 00:01:44 | |
| Yeah, thank you very much. My name is David Pierce. | 00:01:48 | |
| Both of you know that, umm. | 00:01:53 | |
| I've been a resident of venue, my wife and I since. | 00:01:56 | |
| 20 Then the rest that ends up being your cascade neighborhoods. | 00:01:59 | |
| 2020 that we bought our home in 2018. | 00:02:05 | |
| Umm, we've been. | 00:02:09 | |
| Both of us have been involved in the community. | 00:02:12 | |
| Uh, we. | 00:02:15 | |
| In several ways. | 00:02:18 | |
| We, we love Vineyard. We've. | 00:02:20 | |
| When we first saw Divya in 2018. | 00:02:24 | |
| Recognize the dynamics of the city, the potential. | 00:02:28 | |
| And we're very excited about it and. | 00:02:32 | |
| We've enjoyed every minute we've lived here. | 00:02:35 | |
| I have in the past been member of both the City and County Level Planning Commission. | 00:02:39 | |
| As well as Board of Adjustment and Zoning Commission. | 00:02:46 | |
| So why? | 00:02:49 | |
| I've got a little experience with me that way. Well, thank you. Very happy you're on the team and. | 00:02:51 | |
| At Vineyard, here in Vineyard. Thank you. | 00:02:57 | |
| All right, let's move on to item number three. Uh, this is for any public comments for items that are not on the agenda. | 00:02:59 | |
| So if you have any comments that are public and are not on the agenda, feel free to come up to the podium now. | 00:03:08 | |
| Seeing none. | 00:03:17 | |
| We will move on then to item number four, UH 4.1, which are consent items for the approval of our January 22nd meeting Planning | 00:03:19 | |
| Commission special session minutes. | 00:03:24 | |
| Umm, it's consent. So do I have a motion to approve that minute? | 00:03:30 | |
| Uh, so moved all right. Do I have a second? I will second? OK, all in favor. | 00:03:36 | |
| All right, any opposed? | 00:03:41 | |
| No, it is unanimous. | 00:03:43 | |
| OK, now we are. | 00:03:45 | |
| Moving on to item number 5, which is business items. | 00:03:47 | |
| And we'll go with 5.2, which is the Forge Regionally Significant Entertainment Youth certification. | 00:03:50 | |
| Umm, we'll start with a staff report and then we'll hear from the applicant and then from the public. So I'll start with the staff | 00:03:56 | |
| report. | 00:04:00 | |
| It's a very. | 00:04:05 | |
| Can you hear me now? This is, this is a, a very good group. So just, you know, try, try and learn from these commissioners. I | 00:04:08 | |
| think you're, you know, well suited for it. So, uh, thank you for. | 00:04:13 | |
| Being willing to volunteer your time. | 00:04:18 | |
| Umm, so this is uh, in regards to the Forge Development Agreement. We went over the standards in our last meeting. | 00:04:20 | |
| So I won't reiterate everything. There were a few items that the Commission did mention during UH. | 00:04:27 | |
| Umm, the, the, the last meeting, umm, and it kind of go over a few of those. | 00:04:33 | |
| Umm. | 00:04:38 | |
| One was in regards to architecture, wanting to see more detail of the architecture, umm, how it's gonna look, how would it | 00:04:39 | |
| interface with the site and then, umm. | 00:04:44 | |
| Umm, the second is kind of the connection to the retail block on the. | 00:04:49 | |
| Being being an anchor, the Commission wanted to, umm, ensure that it was an anchor, that people coming there had good a access to | 00:04:54 | |
| the restaurant so there would be some crossover traffic between the two. | 00:04:59 | |
| Umm, and the third was in regards to the unique uniqueness. | 00:05:05 | |
| Umm, that's actually It's supposed to be in the development grammar. Umm. | 00:05:11 | |
| Umm, but there there is a section. | 00:05:15 | |
| Umm in the final version I was approved for some reason. You need to let's take it out but it's supposed to say U unique so. | 00:05:17 | |
| Umm, umm, Bryce Brady pointed that out, and we're grateful he did so. | 00:05:23 | |
| Kind of those, those things that we've talked with the applicant and umm, this team is prepared to to go back with you. | 00:05:27 | |
| Cool. Thank you. For uh the applicant goes. Do we have any questions for staff? | 00:05:35 | |
| Uh, no, not yet, OK. | 00:05:41 | |
| Well, see please proceed great see Bora put Dakota Pacific real estate. | 00:05:44 | |
| We have two new commissioners versus 2 weeks ago. So is it helpful to go back through? | 00:05:50 | |
| Umm, I I know they both reviewed a very brief review I think would be great. | 00:05:57 | |
| Yeah. So a year ago or so, Well, just over a year ago. | 00:06:01 | |
| We have a development agreement that was approved for this site that required entertainment anchor. | 00:06:04 | |
| That entertainment anchor gates. | 00:06:10 | |
| A certain amount of residential development. We basically can't develop more than 25 residential units until this entertainment | 00:06:12 | |
| anchor has been identified. | 00:06:15 | |
| And construction starts. Umm. | 00:06:19 | |
| Furthermore. | 00:06:22 | |
| We haven't felt like we can really move forward with the commercial side of the project until we know where this. | 00:06:23 | |
| Entertainment Anchor wants to land. We don't want to build a building and then find out that we're precluding ourselves from | 00:06:28 | |
| opportunities to so much of the site risk upon this Entertainment anchor. And so we spent quite a bit of time over the last year | 00:06:32 | |
| looking at different options. | 00:06:36 | |
| And are now here to present an option that the development agreement requires. | 00:06:40 | |
| To, you know, ratify a particular use of the entertainment anchor which will allow us to move forward on more of the development, | 00:06:45 | |
| including the adjacent commercial. | 00:06:49 | |
| So we're requesting Momentum Climbing Gym as that entertainment anchor. | 00:06:54 | |
| Umm, the requirements. | 00:06:59 | |
| For the development agreement, size and capacity target a certain number of a large number of visitors. | 00:07:02 | |
| Cultural and relevant, important sporting events, regional draw at least 10 miles and then economic impact. And so we've tried to | 00:07:09 | |
| address each of those in the presentation. | 00:07:13 | |
| Uh, address that. | 00:07:20 | |
| So umm, last two weeks ago, momentum climbing, Jim was able to be here, the CFO and present. | 00:07:22 | |
| He was planning to be here today as well and present answer any questions. Unfortunately had a family issue come up. | 00:07:27 | |
| So I will do my best to answer any questions. If there's specific questions I can step out for a quick recess and I can call him | 00:07:32 | |
| get any answers that we need or or commitments, but. | 00:07:36 | |
| We would. | 00:07:41 | |
| Umm. | 00:07:42 | |
| Potentially sell, you know. | 00:07:44 | |
| A couple of just over 2 acres, 2 momentum who would then potentially develop. We may have some role in it as a developer as well. | 00:07:47 | |
| Obviously as a master developer we have a role, but 30,000 square foot facility. | 00:07:52 | |
| You know, 175 would be employed. They're obviously not at one time, but that's just in total different hours and shifts and | 00:07:57 | |
| different programs that occur. | 00:08:01 | |
| Umm, the majority of the facility would be 20 foot high, but there would be a portion of it that would be higher than that. At | 00:08:06 | |
| 50,000, uh, 50 feet, it's about 8000 square feet, or about 20. | 00:08:11 | |
| 5% or so 30% of that facility would would be higher to have a taller climbing wall. | 00:08:17 | |
| 150,000. | 00:08:22 | |
| Uh, visitors annually. Umm. | 00:08:24 | |
| Umm, based on their other sites, they predict that 75% of those would be outside of vineyards. | 00:08:26 | |
| Bouldering, top rope, lead climbing, youth programs, summer camps, birthday parties, yoga and fitness are all part of the services | 00:08:31 | |
| that they would offer. | 00:08:35 | |
| And then one thing that's kind of unique I I thought was interesting is at least twice a year they'll have multi state | 00:08:39 | |
| competitions at the facility like this. | 00:08:42 | |
| Which today there's no facility in Utah County that can qualify for these kind of competitions. | 00:08:46 | |
| There's a board that has to certify whether your facility qualifies. And today nothing in Utah County qualifies. There's a board | 00:08:51 | |
| that has to ratify that and so. | 00:08:54 | |
| This would be the first facility in Utah County that would actually allow these kind of out of state competition that there's one | 00:08:58 | |
| in Lehigh actually owned by Momentum as well that is fo focused on gold ring which is shorter. | 00:09:04 | |
| No, not not rope climbing base. So this would be the full suite. | 00:09:09 | |
| And so, uh, $18 million of investment and, umm. | 00:09:13 | |
| A three and a half million dollars of annual sales just tied to the decline in gym itself, not the, you know, ancillary uses that | 00:09:18 | |
| would would come around it. | 00:09:21 | |
| The proposed area is different than was anticipated in the in the development agreement. I think originally this entertainment | 00:09:26 | |
| block here in this in this top left corner. | 00:09:30 | |
| Which, you know, those use. That block still has the same use requirements for food beverage, kind of you know. | 00:09:34 | |
| Umm, supporting an entertainment anchor? | 00:09:40 | |
| Requirement would would remain for that and we would just basically expand some of those uses. | 00:09:43 | |
| And then put the actual climbing gym. | 00:09:47 | |
| On this corner which will show you an example site plan. | 00:09:49 | |
| Of how that. | 00:09:53 | |
| I thought to lay out. | 00:09:54 | |
| And so. | 00:09:56 | |
| Umm and this adjacency I think is part of the the overall question. So that site plan would look like this. So we would again | 00:09:57 | |
| continue to maintain. | 00:10:02 | |
| This is about 60,000 feet of retail. We think it'll be food and beverage heavy. | 00:10:07 | |
| Umm, patio outdoor space, umm, you know. | 00:10:13 | |
| You can't put an entertainment, you can't rely on food and beverage without some kind of outdoor element, patio outdoor | 00:10:17 | |
| activities. So that's what we're kind of showing in the middle. Still. People can grab food, they can come kind of have a umm, | 00:10:23 | |
| parks and plazas to be a part of. And then across the street here and we'll talk about how we talk about connectivity would be the | 00:10:29 | |
| climbing gym with its associated parking with some shared parking, you know, throughout the overall development. | 00:10:34 | |
| Umm. | 00:10:44 | |
| Architecturally, what will it look like? I mean, we need to engage the architect to fully understand that. | 00:10:47 | |
| But in concept and what good design looks like around these climbing gyms? | 00:10:52 | |
| It's well placed glass. We we can't put glass across through the whole facility. It's gotta have climbing walls on it. | 00:10:57 | |
| You don't want the sun beating down on the on the climbers, but on the north side in particular. | 00:11:03 | |
| Present my thoughts. Put some emphasis on glass. We're thinking a lot about lighting. | 00:11:07 | |
| And then just building materials and building form, how how do you make that interesting A lot these some of these buildings, the | 00:11:11 | |
| form itself is fairly simple, but the way they've done the glass with the lighting really adds to the. | 00:11:16 | |
| The overall elements, umm, which is where we're, we're thinking a lot of the focus will be on the actual building. So this is | 00:11:21 | |
| precedent imagery, umm. | 00:11:24 | |
| I'm sorry, can you go back on the? | 00:11:28 | |
| Does the road go on the north side of the OK? | 00:11:31 | |
| Yeah, so the windows would be. | 00:11:34 | |
| Is that kind of as you're turning into the facility? Yeah. So as you're driving along with your connector, in fact, I'm driving | 00:11:37 | |
| and I wish I knew how tall the UVU. | 00:11:41 | |
| Tennis bubble wolf. Like it feels like that's gotta be 4050 feet, right? We would have a portion of it just kinda up there. You'd | 00:11:45 | |
| be able to see this from a distance. | 00:11:49 | |
| You put some glass in that taller tower. | 00:11:54 | |
| You face it, north, as you're coming into the town, you're gonna be able to see, hey, there's a presence of something that's | 00:11:56 | |
| active right there. | 00:11:59 | |
| You're gonna be able to these buildings here, you know these will be. | 00:12:02 | |
| UH-15 to 20 feet. | 00:12:06 | |
| After a a parapet. So even on Vineyard Connector you're gonna be able to see past those buildings. Don't like you did the bubble | 00:12:08 | |
| today. | 00:12:11 | |
| And see, OK, there's this presence of something active. | 00:12:14 | |
| You'll see the theater and then of course the top golf net. And so I, I think it'll add to the overall. | 00:12:16 | |
| Sense of place for the area. | 00:12:22 | |
| Cool. | 00:12:24 | |
| Umm, is there a regional draw? This is uh. | 00:12:26 | |
| This is what placer AI they track phone umm. | 00:12:31 | |
| Cell phone data where people come from to go to their Sandy location. I did A5 and A10 mile radius. You can see all the blue area | 00:12:36 | |
| there. | 00:12:40 | |
| Obviously red's the most dense. Umm, but umm. | 00:12:44 | |
| People are coming from Tooele Park City. | 00:12:47 | |
| You can see that there's actually some heavy spots down in Provo and Orem. | 00:12:51 | |
| Uh, area where people are actually driving the 30 minutes or more, uh, to get up to, to the Sandy location today. | 00:12:54 | |
| Umm, even though there's a. | 00:13:02 | |
| The facility which we'll we'll talk about today in Utah County. | 00:13:04 | |
| This is the Mill Creek. | 00:13:07 | |
| Uh, site as well. Just another another comp you can see the pull on from the entire valley. | 00:13:09 | |
| So people will drive a distance to come find these facilities. | 00:13:13 | |
| And umm, spend some time here. | 00:13:17 | |
| I that range is a question in my mind. | 00:13:19 | |
| Is it? | 00:13:24 | |
| The United States Climbing Association. | 00:13:25 | |
| Approves events. They sponsor national events as well as regional events. | 00:13:28 | |
| And approve. | 00:13:34 | |
| The facilities. | 00:13:36 | |
| For. | 00:13:37 | |
| The venues for holding these events. | 00:13:39 | |
| Umm, there's a potential. | 00:13:42 | |
| For two. | 00:13:45 | |
| Competitions a year. | 00:13:47 | |
| Is and this is. | 00:13:49 | |
| May not be a question you can answer, but I was thinking. | 00:13:52 | |
| If. | 00:13:56 | |
| If the uh. | 00:14:00 | |
| The business. | 00:14:02 | |
| Has other facilities. | 00:14:04 | |
| Giant salt. I counted that would. | 00:14:06 | |
| Compete with this menu for the same events. | 00:14:09 | |
| What? How is that going to affect us? | 00:14:13 | |
| Yeah, it might affect you. It might discuss it with momentum each of their facilities. | 00:14:18 | |
| Holds a level of competition that's kind of the brand for each of the facilities is what kind of drives activity. | 00:14:23 | |
| And so they'll host their own activity for that facility. | 00:14:28 | |
| Kind of like, you know your Ragnar running and you know you've got multiple Ironman sponsors, right? That'll that'll go. This is | 00:14:32 | |
| just gonna be another sponsor of a competition that people can choose to come to. | 00:14:37 | |
| So I, I think it'll just add to the number of events in Utah. Is, is the way I've been told, because each facility is gonna try to | 00:14:42 | |
| host a certain amount of events and each one will have its own unique themes, right? They'll put a different difficulty or a | 00:14:46 | |
| different route. | 00:14:50 | |
| Here than they would in Sandy or Mill Creek they want some kind of unique identity with each of the each of the buildings as well | 00:14:55 | |
| I I recall last week the CEO saying that so one of his other facilities may have an emphasis in bouldering this one could have | 00:15:02 | |
| some bouldering but it might have speed climbing you know the exact programming is still to be decided but some unique features | 00:15:08 | |
| that uh distinct from the other locations yeah but they've been unequivocal that they will host event. | 00:15:14 | |
| OK, so. | 00:15:21 | |
| The fiscal impact, I think you've seen that in your packet through? | 00:15:24 | |
| So I don't need to spend a lot of time on it, but we did get Zion's Public Finance to take a look at the numbers. | 00:15:27 | |
| What does this add? We look at both, you know, specific taxes associated with this building. | 00:15:32 | |
| And then? | 00:15:38 | |
| Because this building's here and allows the adjacent. | 00:15:39 | |
| You know, food and beverage. We just did three or three to four restaurants. | 00:15:42 | |
| You know, then there's also. | 00:15:46 | |
| Because it's a gateway to actually allow our commercial development to happen, there's additional impacts that can also flow | 00:15:49 | |
| through. | 00:15:52 | |
| For the overall area versus having to sit like it is today. | 00:15:55 | |
| The comments from the the work session Architectural features. | 00:15:59 | |
| So we talked about the glass. | 00:16:03 | |
| This north side. | 00:16:06 | |
| And wrapping around the corner a little bit. | 00:16:07 | |
| In our mind, we want to tell the architect to focus the glass, not that there won't be glass the other way, especially on the | 00:16:10 | |
| ground level. | 00:16:13 | |
| Right. I think there'll be some transparency, but this is what we're thinking, the taller glass where there's real transparency. | 00:16:17 | |
| Part of that is because again, the view from being a connector, the vineyard from, you know, whatever active areas we have, the | 00:16:23 | |
| views from restaurants and patios over here. | 00:16:27 | |
| You'll be able to fill the visual connectivity between the two areas. | 00:16:31 | |
| Sure. There's a street. I don't know if you've driven that street. It's a 0 curved street, so it feels more like you're kind of | 00:16:35 | |
| driving through a paseo than you know, an actual Rd. is concrete. There's different colors of of concrete. | 00:16:41 | |
| OK, just really quick while you're on that glass, umm. | 00:16:47 | |
| It's been brought up before, but uh, you know, Bryce had brought it up, but other commissioners in past meetings have talked about | 00:16:50 | |
| it. | 00:16:53 | |
| But having. | 00:16:56 | |
| Visibility from the UMM kind of that that main central gathering spot on the north. | 00:16:57 | |
| Uh, you do have that 4800 square foot retail building. | 00:17:03 | |
| Just like something to think about, like trying to preserve that corridor a little bit more because it looks like it cuts it off. | 00:17:07 | |
| Yeah, but having it that maybe that building becomes more boxy umm, you know that the 4800 square foot or defrust on that square | 00:17:13 | |
| footage into the l-shaped building, but if you could keep that. | 00:17:18 | |
| That that view corridor opens more I I think that I think the height of this building will matter. | 00:17:25 | |
| For one, but we can do some view studies as we actually design it. | 00:17:30 | |
| Height of this building will matter and it could easily be lower on one end. | 00:17:33 | |
| Obviously if you're sitting on this side of it, you're gonna have some, some views, but yeah, we'll want to do some views to you. | 00:17:37 | |
| So at least a large portion of this starts to fill visual connectivity to that building just because I think it'll it'll. | 00:17:43 | |
| It'll kind of define brand a little bit for the add to it, I should say so. | 00:17:48 | |
| So if if I get the picture. | 00:17:53 | |
| That, uh, that area on the West side of the building is going to be the high spot. | 00:17:55 | |
| That's how we've anticipated. Yeah, exactly. That's that's that's how we're thinking right now. Just again to kind of create this | 00:18:01 | |
| iconic presence out there on the on the street and the windows. You would have though. | 00:18:06 | |
| Uh, like all the way up? | 00:18:12 | |
| I mean, using the present imagery again, yeah, there's portions that would go up, maybe there's some that are smaller. You can see | 00:18:14 | |
| this is planted, so you can still maybe use it as many walls, but umm. | 00:18:19 | |
| Yeah, you can see this, this goes all the way up. I I think. Yeah, that's that's that's the vision I would give the architect. | 00:18:25 | |
| Let's, let's see if we can get some visual all the way. | 00:18:29 | |
| Uh, so that when people are 40 feet in the air, you know? | 00:18:35 | |
| That kind of creates a different sense. | 00:18:40 | |
| Nothing else. It's cool advertising. | 00:18:42 | |
| And it'll cross the screen. I think it'll it'll help the overall brand. Well, people eat this average. They continue crying. | 00:18:45 | |
| Exactly, exactly. | 00:18:50 | |
| The entrance location is something we've thought about architecture. Where does it wanna be? | 00:18:56 | |
| We want a sense of a presence, like if I'm a pedestrian walking from across the street. | 00:19:00 | |
| Umm, so my. | 00:19:06 | |
| Is is is there like an entrance presence along Cauldron Street? Is this called today? | 00:19:08 | |
| Here until the thought is can we get this entrance up here in this corner? | 00:19:12 | |
| And they obviously have to control people coming in. They gotta get through a front desk. They gotta check in. They can't have, | 00:19:16 | |
| you know, entrances everywhere but the primary entrance. | 00:19:20 | |
| We thought about putting. | 00:19:24 | |
| Uh, up here in this corner. So that again, it's just more connected to the retail food and the street itself. | 00:19:26 | |
| And then we talked about the height part of it at 55 feet. The other thing to talk about architectural is finishes. I mean tip, | 00:19:33 | |
| it's very typical for these kind of buildings to have. | 00:19:38 | |
| A mix of, you know, masonry and steel. | 00:19:42 | |
| Uh, you know, metal siding colors, umm. | 00:19:45 | |
| And so. | 00:19:49 | |
| That's probably where a lot of the focus would be there. | 00:19:51 | |
| The building that they've built in the last few years. | 00:19:54 | |
| You know, it's even more interest along the bottom, you know, 12 feet or something, meaning there's masonry and there's bump outs | 00:19:57 | |
| and then it kind of goes up. It's about glass and, you know, metal. | 00:20:02 | |
| Metal paneling similar to the images that you're seeing here. This is fairly typical for the industry, right? | 00:20:08 | |
| Where you can see the front's got more. | 00:20:13 | |
| The last and then and then it just starts to say how, how do you make these other walls? | 00:20:19 | |
| Break them up a little bit with some. | 00:20:23 | |
| Windows, glass, different change of materials but. | 00:20:25 | |
| That'll certainly be part of the site plan review and and you all will be able to weigh in on that as we submit a site plan. | 00:20:28 | |
| And just go off that too. There's still umm, like part of that would be the zoning code. Check here that the zoning ordinance for | 00:20:33 | |
| the Forge. | 00:20:37 | |
| OK, so I. | 00:20:42 | |
| I took some pictures and I can pull them up, but I drove by this area today. | 00:20:44 | |
| This crosswalk is already defined by a different color of payment again 0 curb. | 00:20:49 | |
| Along this area, there's actually a. | 00:20:54 | |
| Uh, a split like island that sits right here. So this area already is designed to really calm traffic because you're coming | 00:20:56 | |
| through and really being identified. | 00:21:01 | |
| Umm, pedestrian access. We're gonna spend additional time thinking about what else you know. | 00:21:05 | |
| We could do to even enhance it further, but I think through some. | 00:21:11 | |
| Landscaping in this area potentially some. | 00:21:14 | |
| Branding some signage, you know, we thought about could we do some kind of a. | 00:21:17 | |
| Monument sign on this corner. | 00:21:22 | |
| So that it's really clear I'm coming into an area I need to slow down. But I think if you drive that area, I can pull up some | 00:21:26 | |
| pictures if we wanna e-mail them to myself of what that looks like today. It's already started and we have a really good base. And | 00:21:31 | |
| then we'll continue to look at how to build on that. | 00:21:35 | |
| And we've already talked about the visual connectivity. | 00:21:39 | |
| Any other questions about that, just the adjacency and? | 00:21:43 | |
| How we connect to the block across? | 00:21:46 | |
| Would be helpful if I pull up. | 00:21:49 | |
| Some pictures of what that intersection looks like today. | 00:21:51 | |
| I just think one thing that comes to mind. | 00:21:54 | |
| You mentioned the visual. | 00:21:56 | |
| What was the phrasing? The visual connectivity I think? | 00:21:58 | |
| Having that be. | 00:22:03 | |
| Having it be visual from that that umm. | 00:22:05 | |
| Kind of recreation area. I think there's going to be probably a lot of folks that just. | 00:22:08 | |
| Wander depending on what? What is? | 00:22:14 | |
| Between those two buildings. | 00:22:16 | |
| They're probably going across one of those two arrows are. | 00:22:18 | |
| And so. | 00:22:22 | |
| I would. | 00:22:23 | |
| Want to bear that in mind and either design it in a way that. | 00:22:24 | |
| Pushes them through the crosswalk or makes it safe. | 00:22:29 | |
| Yeah. I don't know if we could add a cross on there. We're just wondering if it's too close to the intersection. Yeah, and that's | 00:22:31 | |
| yeah. But I just think that if it is open, if you can't see it, if it is striking. | 00:22:36 | |
| I think people will just. | 00:22:41 | |
| Just for the cars, more so that for the pedestrians, just being aware, having infrastructure in place that. | 00:23:13 | |
| Has been slow down or or understand that there will be pedestrians on this world transportation plan. Umm, one of the things that | 00:23:20 | |
| council really wanted us to focus on is any improvements to crosswalk. | 00:23:26 | |
| Have some sort of a flashing indicator. | 00:23:32 | |
| So that that that might be an option. So you're putting something where you're kidding about. I mean, what you can do could really | 00:23:35 | |
| kind of help make that a. | 00:23:38 | |
| You know, I guess the table would I I I will say though, especially seeing these pictures, but. | 00:23:43 | |
| The applicants putting up. | 00:23:49 | |
| Umm, that invites slower speeds, just the way that it's designed there in the materials used. | 00:23:50 | |
| And the narrow lanes, yeah, no, I I love that. | 00:23:56 | |
| OK, Yeah. | 00:24:00 | |
| Yeah, you've kind of got this. Umm. | 00:24:02 | |
| Concrete. | 00:24:05 | |
| The divider there and then it opens up into these planners. | 00:24:07 | |
| Again, what can we do landscaping while we look into some signage to again, like, hey, this is a place where people. | 00:24:10 | |
| Low cross, slow down and invite people to want to cross because it's it's it's an interesting place, so. | 00:24:16 | |
| I think, uh, caving to address your question about today walking in that one area if there's a concrete divider. | 00:24:22 | |
| That's gonna push people towards the crosswalk for sure. | 00:24:28 | |
| No for sure, but if the climbers maybe see it as a challenge. | 00:24:32 | |
| So, so, yeah, I think that, yeah, that's great. | 00:24:38 | |
| Let me. | 00:24:42 | |
| So then I think the last area to address is the. | 00:24:50 | |
| Uniqueness. This is a table that compares momentum at the Forge, what we're proposing on the left. | 00:24:54 | |
| With the Pori, which is down in Provo, which is I think some people say, you know, if we've got a climbing gym, is this unique? | 00:25:00 | |
| And so the size is about double. | 00:25:07 | |
| You can see there's an extra 12 feet of of wall height at the tallest point. | 00:25:09 | |
| Umm. | 00:25:14 | |
| This facility would be Olympic competition eligible. | 00:25:16 | |
| By the standards. | 00:25:20 | |
| The query is, not. | 00:25:21 | |
| You talked about that governing body that will say this can be used for, umm, competitions. | 00:25:24 | |
| This one will meet it. The quarry does not. | 00:25:30 | |
| For multi state and bouldering competitions. | 00:25:33 | |
| Twice the rope wall. | 00:25:37 | |
| Uh, three times the bouldering. Plus of course you got the bouldering the moment a bunch of heads up and Lehigh. | 00:25:39 | |
| We'll have a fitness studio the Quarry does not. We'll have the yoga yoga studio that one does not. | 00:25:44 | |
| No, I can't really speak of difficulty a whole lot. | 00:25:50 | |
| But what John told me is basically it's it's like taking a green or blue difficulty he run versus a black diamond run. | 00:25:53 | |
| Right. | 00:26:01 | |
| If you're familiar with Ogden Canyon, it's a Wolf Creek versus. | 00:26:02 | |
| Umm. | 00:26:06 | |
| So basically, yeah. | 00:26:08 | |
| Right. It's a different caliber. | 00:26:10 | |
| This would be the only competition qualified gym in Utah County that meets all the requirements of the governing body of the | 00:26:12 | |
| support so. | 00:26:15 | |
| Umm, I think John really feels like this is unique. He says he he has climbers calling him constantly. You saw again, there's | 00:26:19 | |
| quite a contingent that comes from Provo Orem saying please give us a real, you know, something That's the next level in in Utah | 00:26:23 | |
| County. So. | 00:26:27 | |
| I think that speaks to the uniqueness as well. | 00:26:32 | |
| That's that's the presentation. Is there any other questions or dialogue that you had? | 00:26:36 | |
| Wonderful. | 00:26:44 | |
| Thank you so much. Before you sit down, are there any less questions? | 00:26:45 | |
| Of the Commission for the applicant. | 00:26:48 | |
| I have just a few brief. | 00:26:50 | |
| Couple questions. | 00:26:54 | |
| So first, umm. | 00:26:55 | |
| 20 feet high. | 00:26:58 | |
| At some parts 50 feet high, uh. | 00:27:00 | |
| Umm, this might be more for staff, I apologize. How tall umm. | 00:27:03 | |
| Just in range our other buildings in the area such as movie theaters or the UVU dump. | 00:27:07 | |
| I believe top golf the polls because that's gonna be like your highest place right there. We could double check this 120 feet. | 00:27:13 | |
| Yeah. D do you wanna like hold it? Yeah. You called up I, I, I believe 100. I think they anticipated even going to like 150, but | 00:27:20 | |
| they ended up at like 1:20-ish. | 00:27:24 | |
| Is is. I understand if you use that as a kind of a perspective, cut that. | 00:27:29 | |
| A little less than 1/2. | 00:27:33 | |
| Alright, umm. I asked, because hey, I don't want it too tall, but at the same time I do want it to be significant enough to be a | 00:27:35 | |
| draw. | 00:27:38 | |
| You know when I can go by, I wanna be able to say, MMM, there's the forge. | 00:27:42 | |
| Umm, and I think 50 feet. | 00:27:46 | |
| To do that, umm, uh, also curious about lighting requirements, obviously. Umm, that is, we're not at the stage yet. | 00:27:48 | |
| Scott, could you just tell us real quick? Umm. | 00:27:56 | |
| I'm assuming this gets approved tonight. What are the next steps to make sure that lighting requirements and all of the | 00:28:00 | |
| architectural? | 00:28:03 | |
| Uh, standards we're laying out right now that, that, that's a great question. So the next step, so. | 00:28:07 | |
| If you certify by the this then umm it allows to move forward but. | 00:28:12 | |
| Umm, they would then go into, I guess full design, some more conceptual level. | 00:28:17 | |
| Once that's when it comes to UMM as a pipeline application. | 00:28:21 | |
| Kind of isolation, but typically it's full cut off face down or if it's face towards the building then it's like fully captures | 00:28:53 | |
| within the EU or within the architecture of the building. | 00:28:58 | |
| So that is something that we'll look at a photometric plan which would help us understand that. That'll show us like the lighting | 00:29:03 | |
| levels around each of those hundred years on the outside. | 00:29:07 | |
| Umm, yeah, yeah, let me go through a side plan. Staff would review that take place. Uh. | 00:29:11 | |
| Like 2-4 weeks to review time to go back and forth and then they they come to you hopefully with the product that you can approve. | 00:29:15 | |
| OK. | 00:29:18 | |
| Awesome. And then lastly, uh. | 00:29:22 | |
| Uh, based off the programming that was presented tonight and the updates that we've proposed to the municipal code. | 00:29:25 | |
| Umm, how would they obtain special event permits? | 00:29:33 | |
| With a renew annually for each permit we just so a special event, uh. | 00:29:36 | |
| Umm, would there? | 00:29:41 | |
| Our own requires around they're on public property, umm and and in this case, they're building a facility that can accommodate | 00:29:43 | |
| special events. So like the the naked flex has lots of events. They have the movies, obviously the deal so close to lots of. | 00:29:49 | |
| Umm, just like core corporate events, Top Golf has giant conference room and stuff, so they, they, they would be allowed to do | 00:29:55 | |
| that. Umm. | 00:29:59 | |
| Umm, you know, same, same thing. Now if they had a massive event that required us to shut down traffic or to do traffic control, | 00:30:03 | |
| then that's where police would get involved and then they would most likely have to go through some approval process with the | 00:30:07 | |
| city. | 00:30:10 | |
| Perfect. OK. | 00:30:14 | |
| Thanks. | 00:30:16 | |
| I'm sorry, I said the questions were for you. I lied very well for them. All for us, OK. | 00:30:17 | |
| Thank you. Umm, you can sit down, we'll start, umm, uh, open it up for public comment. If there's anyone that has public comment | 00:30:23 | |
| to direct to the board, now is your time to do so. Just come up to the stand. | 00:30:28 | |
| Say your name. | 00:30:35 | |
| Your favorite color? | 00:30:36 | |
| And then, yeah, give us your name and, uh. | 00:30:37 | |
| Uh, Jane Pierce, uh, Cascade area. | 00:30:41 | |
| So, umm, I do have uh. | 00:30:45 | |
| Comment and a concern, I know that. | 00:30:47 | |
| Umm class Buildings class. | 00:30:51 | |
| Windows are beautiful. | 00:30:54 | |
| And they're, they're nice to look at and they're wonderful, but. | 00:30:56 | |
| Problem is I'm just wondering if. | 00:30:59 | |
| If they are considering the impact on birth. | 00:31:01 | |
| First hypnosis. And they do, uh, die from that. In fact, I just looked up here and there's umm. | 00:31:04 | |
| In the United States. | 00:31:10 | |
| There's up to 1 billion birds die each year in the United States due to collisions. | 00:31:12 | |
| With Windows. | 00:31:18 | |
| And, uh, 54 to 76% of them die. | 00:31:19 | |
| So, umm, I'm also concerned about, you know, whether that. | 00:31:23 | |
| Uh, windows will be lit from the inside all night long because that causes problems with migratory birds. Also when they're flying | 00:31:28 | |
| through if it's lit. | 00:31:33 | |
| Umm. All night. That causes a problem. So I'm just wondering if that's gonna be umm. | 00:31:38 | |
| What the case is gonna be with our children? | 00:31:44 | |
| Alright, thank you. | 00:31:46 | |
| What we'll do is, uh, complete all the public comment, then when we close public comment, we'll address any further questions that | 00:31:48 | |
| may arise from. So is there anyone else from the audience? | 00:31:52 | |
| Come on up. | 00:31:58 | |
| Oh, OK, OK. | 00:32:00 | |
| All right. | 00:32:03 | |
| Umm, and I'm gonna go ahead and close public comment. | 00:32:04 | |
| Umm, When it comes to concerns with the glass building and the impact on birds and also lighting, umm, I'll allow staff to weigh | 00:32:07 | |
| in on that. But I'll just say a lot of that is gonna be determined during that architectural review. | 00:32:14 | |
| That was just talked about. That's gonna be a few weeks from now or whenever our, our architect has their design complete, Uh. | 00:32:22 | |
| Umm, and I'll make a note to. | 00:32:28 | |
| Ask about the environmental impact of that thing. | 00:32:30 | |
| Umm, even though. | 00:32:34 | |
| I I'll give my opinion right now though, I'm far from an artist and far from an architect. Uh, while I love to see glass on | 00:32:35 | |
| buildings, I don't want it to be a whole glass building. | 00:32:40 | |
| Which I don't think is the intent either. So I think if it's tastefully done to be attractive without being too dominating, umm. | 00:32:45 | |
| Umm, I think that may result some of the concerns. Umm. | 00:32:53 | |
| That was also why I asked the question about lighting. Not just the exterior lights that might say, hey look at me, but also if | 00:32:56 | |
| the inside is lit all night long, what does that? | 00:33:01 | |
| Impact and how does that have to do with our light ordinance? | 00:33:07 | |
| Umm and so I think all of that will be addressed during that review, but Steph, if you have anything to add that that's where we | 00:33:10 | |
| get into that kind of that level of detail. Umm, our code, umm. | 00:33:15 | |
| Umm. And I I can. | 00:33:20 | |
| Like triple check, but I don't think it has anything about keeping your lights on at night. I, I, it's not something that that | 00:33:22 | |
| that's addressed in our code. | 00:33:25 | |
| Umm, we've had through like the conditional use permit process we've required, I think there was a dental office that has IP | 00:33:30 | |
| digital sign that has to turn off by 10:00 PM. So we did that through the conditional use profile residential unit. | 00:33:36 | |
| So we're gonna have a lot of conditions. | 00:33:44 | |
| OK. | 00:34:15 | |
| All right. Any members of the Commission have any other questions before we entertain motion? | 00:34:17 | |
| OK. All right. Does anyone have a motion? | 00:34:23 | |
| Do we have garbage from Russia? | 00:34:29 | |
| Yeah, on the staff report, but you could easily just say I moved to approve. Yeah, I could pull it up, but I, uh. | 00:34:33 | |
| Yeah, I moved to approve. | 00:34:39 | |
| It's a certified I moved to certify business item 5.2. | 00:34:41 | |
| Uh, regarding the. | 00:34:47 | |
| Forge development in the RE regionally significant. | 00:34:48 | |
| Entertainment use certification. | 00:34:52 | |
| Alright, do I have that I can send you a whole second? | 00:34:55 | |
| Alright, all in favor. | 00:34:57 | |
| Alright. | 00:35:00 | |
| It's unanimous. | 00:35:01 | |
| OK. Congratulations. Thank you. | 00:35:03 | |
| All right. We're excited to see, uh, as it evolves. | 00:35:06 | |
| I think that'll be a really good addition to our community. | 00:35:09 | |
| Umm, there are no items that were submitted for a work session, so we'll move on to item number 7, which is Staffing Commission | 00:35:12 | |
| report. | 00:35:16 | |
| We'll start with Commission members. Is there anything worth reporting with? | 00:35:21 | |
| Our friend. | 00:35:25 | |
| No, I don't have anything. OK, sounds great. | 00:35:28 | |
| Oh. | 00:35:32 | |
| OK. Staff, is there anything with the reporting? | 00:35:33 | |
| All right. | 00:35:40 | |
| Been a busy month. OK Appreciate you all. | 00:35:42 | |
| Uh, we'll go ahead and move on to adjournment. We're now officially adjourned for the next regular scheduled meeting of February | 00:35:46 | |
| 19th. | 00:35:50 | |
| Have a good night, everyone. All right. | 00:35:54 |