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  • Call to Order/Invocation/Inspirational Thought/Pledge of Allegiance   Chair Nathan Steele called the meeting to order at01pm. Commissioner Brad Fagg led the invocation and pledge of allegiance.  Presentations/Recognitions/Awards/Proclamations   There were no comments.  
  • Call to Order/Invocation/Inspirational Thought/Pledge of Allegiance   Chair Nathan Steele called the meeting to order at01pm. Commissioner Brad Fagg led the invocation and pledge of allegiance.  Presentations/Recognitions/Awards/Proclamations   There were no comments.  
  • Public Comments PC   There were no comments.  
  • Public Comments PC   There were no comments.  
  • Consent Items  1.Approval of the Februaryth,25 Planning Commission Draft Minutes
  • Consent Items  1.Approval of the Februaryth,25 Planning Commission Draft Minutes
  • Motion: COMMISSIONER DAVID PEARCE MOTIONED TO APPROVE THE FEBRUARYTH,25 PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES AT02PM. COMMISSIONER CADEN RHOTON SECONDED. ALL IN FAVOR VOTED YES: PEARCE, STEELE, RHOTTON, AND FAGG. THE VOTE CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.  
  • Motion: COMMISSIONER DAVID PEARCE MOTIONED TO APPROVE THE FEBRUARYTH,25 PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES AT02PM. COMMISSIONER CADEN RHOTON SECONDED. ALL IN FAVOR VOTED YES: PEARCE, STEELE, RHOTTON, AND FAGG. THE VOTE CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.  
  • Business Items    2.
  • Business Items    2.
  • PUBLIC HEARING: Parks and Recreation Master Plan   Community Development Director Morgan Brim noted that were more changes to be adjusted and they need more time. They requested a continuance to the next meeting.   It was clarified that it will need a motion.
  • PUBLIC HEARING: Parks and Recreation Master Plan   Community Development Director Morgan Brim noted that were more changes to be adjusted and they need more time. They requested a continuance to the next meeting.   It was clarified that it will need a motion.
  • Motion: COMMISSIONER RHOTON MOTIONED TO CONTINUE THE PARKS AND RECREATION MASTERR PLAN BUSINESS ITEM TO THE NEXT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AT03PM. COMMISSIONER FAGG SECONDED. ALL IN FAVOR VOTED YES: PEARCE, STEELE, RHOTTON, AND FAGG. THE VOTE CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.  3.
  • Motion: COMMISSIONER RHOTON MOTIONED TO CONTINUE THE PARKS AND RECREATION MASTERR PLAN BUSINESS ITEM TO THE NEXT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AT03PM. COMMISSIONER FAGG SECONDED. ALL IN FAVOR VOTED YES: PEARCE, STEELE, RHOTTON, AND FAGG. THE VOTE CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.  3.
  • Site Plan with Conditional Use Permit - Church Meetinghouse at0 E5 S   Chair Steele clarified that item3 and4 are separate items and will need separate action but that they will be presented together.
  • Site Plan with Conditional Use Permit - Church Meetinghouse at0 E5 S   Chair Steele clarified that item3 and4 are separate items and will need separate action but that they will be presented together.
  • Planner Anthony Fletcher updated the commission and asked to continue this item and to address it as a work session.
  • Planner Anthony Fletcher updated the commission and asked to continue this item and to address it as a work session.
  • Chair Steele clarified process.   Director Brim described the intention.   Assistant City Engineer Patrick James and City Engineer and Public Works Director Naseem Ghandour entered at06pm.
  • Chair Steele clarified process.   Director Brim described the intention.   Assistant City Engineer Patrick James and City Engineer and Public Works Director Naseem Ghandour entered at06pm.
  • Commissioner Rhoton asked about the missing items.   Planner Fletcher responded in saying yes.
  • Commissioner Rhoton asked about the missing items.   Planner Fletcher responded in saying yes.
  • Planner Fletcher presented the site plan and announced some of the recommendations.
  • Planner Fletcher presented the site plan and announced some of the recommendations.
  • Chair Steele asked if there was a site plan that included both buildings.   The applicant, Lafe Harris, arrived at10pm.   Engineer James clarified that the Traffic Impact Analysis was needed for both buildings.
  • Chair Steele asked if there was a site plan that included both buildings.   The applicant, Lafe Harris, arrived at10pm.   Engineer James clarified that the Traffic Impact Analysis was needed for both buildings.
  • Chair Steele asked for more information on the call for a more in depth traffic Impact Analysis study.   Engineer James added including other days of the week and queuing on Geneva road to be incorporated into the report.   Director Brim noted that the applicant was also asked to coordinate with a neighboring property.
  • Chair Steele asked for more information on the call for a more in depth traffic Impact Analysis study.   Engineer James added including other days of the week and queuing on Geneva road to be incorporated into the report.   Director Brim noted that the applicant was also asked to coordinate with a neighboring property.
  • Chair Steele asked if the parking numbers accounted for both buildings.   Director Brim responded in saying yes, that the planners did the analysis for the parking requirement on the full site.   There were technical difficulties.
  • Chair Steele asked if the parking numbers accounted for both buildings.   Director Brim responded in saying yes, that the planners did the analysis for the parking requirement on the full site.   There were technical difficulties.
  • Mr. Harris discussed the separate meeting houses. He briefed his attempted contact with neighboring properties.   Chair Steele asked if there was an attempt to get in contact with the property owner.   Chair Steele responded in saying yes.   Commissioner David Pearce clarified the comments.
  • Mr. Harris discussed the separate meeting houses. He briefed his attempted contact with neighboring properties.   Chair Steele asked if there was an attempt to get in contact with the property owner.   Chair Steele responded in saying yes.   Commissioner David Pearce clarified the comments.
  • Mr. Harris provided a description to the full site as it was provided. He addressed the landscaping and presented the elevations.   Chair Steele asked about the elevations.   Mr. Harris noted that the elevations were for the larger building. He briefed the amenities of the larger building. He discussed the uses of the buildings.
  • Mr. Harris provided a description to the full site as it was provided. He addressed the landscaping and presented the elevations.   Chair Steele asked about the elevations.   Mr. Harris noted that the elevations were for the larger building. He briefed the amenities of the larger building. He discussed the uses of the buildings.
  • Chair Steele asked if either buildings were intended to be a stake   Mr. Harris noted that the larger one is a stake center.   Chair Steele discussed the stake center gatherings.   Mr. Harris agreed and discussed the amount of people that would be from each ward.
  • Chair Steele asked if either buildings were intended to be a stake   Mr. Harris noted that the larger one is a stake center.   Chair Steele discussed the stake center gatherings.   Mr. Harris agreed and discussed the amount of people that would be from each ward.
  • Commissioner Pearce brought up holidays.   Commissioner Rhoton asked how overparked it is.   Mr. Harris discussed how much of the parking is utilized.
  • Commissioner Pearce brought up holidays.   Commissioner Rhoton asked how overparked it is.   Mr. Harris discussed how much of the parking is utilized.
  • Commissioner Rhoton noted that he would rather have community areas rather than extra parking.   Mr. Harris noted that he feels the parking is utilized and that they plan for larger events.
  • Commissioner Rhoton noted that he would rather have community areas rather than extra parking.   Mr. Harris noted that he feels the parking is utilized and that they plan for larger events.
  • Planner Fletcher noted the city’s parking requirements.   Director Brim discussed the timing of calculations.
  • Planner Fletcher noted the city’s parking requirements.   Director Brim discussed the timing of calculations.
  • Chair Steele questioned if number of seats was an accurate measure for determining the parking standards.   Director Brim noted that we are underway in a zoning code amendment.   Chair Steele noted to look into it.   Chair Steele opened up to public comment.
  • Chair Steele questioned if number of seats was an accurate measure for determining the parking standards.   Director Brim noted that we are underway in a zoning code amendment.   Chair Steele noted to look into it.   Chair Steele opened up to public comment.
  • Resident David Lauret discussed the timing of the church services and how people travel.   Commissioner Rhoton recommended to look at the requirements.   There was no more comments.   Chair Steele closed the public comment.
  • Resident David Lauret discussed the timing of the church services and how people travel.   Commissioner Rhoton recommended to look at the requirements.   There was no more comments.   Chair Steele closed the public comment.
  • Commissioner Pearce commented on parking overflow.     Chair Steele noted that it is something they would like to see in the traffic impact analysis report.   Director Brim discussed process with the traffic impact analysis report.
  • Commissioner Pearce commented on parking overflow.     Chair Steele noted that it is something they would like to see in the traffic impact analysis report.   Director Brim discussed process with the traffic impact analysis report.
  • Chair Steele noted that he wants to continue this item. He noted the comments including an updated traffic analysis, representing parking in a table in the next presentation as well as overflow parking, and showing attempted outreach to neighboring properties.
  • Chair Steele noted that he wants to continue this item. He noted the comments including an updated traffic analysis, representing parking in a table in the next presentation as well as overflow parking, and showing attempted outreach to neighboring properties.
  • Motion: COMMISSIONER RHOTON MOVED TO CONTINUE ITEMS3 AND4 TO A FUTURE MEETING WITH THE CHANGES AS STATED BY THE CHAIR AT39PM. COMMISSIONER FAGG SECONDED. ALL IN FAVOR VOTED YES: PEARCE, STEELE, RHOTTON, AND FAGG. THE VOTE CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.    4.Site Plan with Conditional Use Permit - Church Meetinghouse at0 E5 S (East Building)      
  • Motion: COMMISSIONER RHOTON MOVED TO CONTINUE ITEMS3 AND4 TO A FUTURE MEETING WITH THE CHANGES AS STATED BY THE CHAIR AT39PM. COMMISSIONER FAGG SECONDED. ALL IN FAVOR VOTED YES: PEARCE, STEELE, RHOTTON, AND FAGG. THE VOTE CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.    4.Site Plan with Conditional Use Permit - Church Meetinghouse at0 E5 S (East Building)      
  • Work Session   No work items were submitted.  
  • Work Session   No work items were submitted.  
  • Staff and Commission Reports
  • Staff and Commission Reports
  • Director Brim provided an update on the Vineyard Center Development. He also discussed the Holdaway Road Bicycle Boulevard project.   Engineer James noted that the Lindon Heritage trail is under construction.
  • Director Brim provided an update on the Vineyard Center Development. He also discussed the Holdaway Road Bicycle Boulevard project.   Engineer James noted that the Lindon Heritage trail is under construction.
  • Commissioner Pearce asked a question about the naming of the Vineyard Center.   Director Brim discussed the factors contributing to the name selection.   Commissioner Pearce brought up MAG.   Director Brim noted that MAG works with many different cities.  
  • Commissioner Pearce asked a question about the naming of the Vineyard Center.   Director Brim discussed the factors contributing to the name selection.   Commissioner Pearce brought up MAG.   Director Brim noted that MAG works with many different cities.  
  • Adjournment   Chair Steele adjourned the meeting at45pm.       MINUTES CERTIFIED COMPLETE ON: Marchth,25 CERTIFIED (NOTICED) BY:                                                      Madison Reed, Planning Technician
  • Adjournment   Chair Steele adjourned the meeting at45pm.       MINUTES CERTIFIED COMPLETE ON: Marchth,25 CERTIFIED (NOTICED) BY:                                                      Madison Reed, Planning Technician
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Transcript

We're good. All right. Thank you everyone for coming out in the rain, uh, for our Planning Commission meeting. 00:00:04
For Vineyard City on March 5th, 2025. 00:00:13
We are going to start with. 00:00:18
An invocation and a Pledge of Allegiance. And Brad, if you could read us from that, that's great. 00:00:20
Aubrey, you've given us, and thank you for allowing us to be here. 00:00:32
I rushed it in. 00:00:35
In the position that ran. 00:00:37
Clean Filter got our decisions and please watch over our city. 00:00:39
Help us get there too. 00:00:44
None, none. Thank you so much. 00:00:47
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. 00:00:53
In the public on which he stands. 00:00:57
Our ancient God, indivisible with brevity and justice for us. 00:01:00
Thank you, Brad. 00:01:08
Alright, we'll move on to item number 2, which is presentations, recognition, words and proclamations. 00:01:10
Seeing none of those, we. 00:01:15
Will recognize nothing, so we'll move on to item number 3, which will be public comment on any item that is not on the agenda. So 00:01:18
is there anyone in attendance who would like to comment on something publicly? 00:01:25
That's not on the address. 00:01:32
Alright. 00:01:34
Seeing none, we'll move on to item number 4. 00:01:35
Which is our consent calendar and the approval of our February 19th Planning Commission draft minutes. 00:01:38
Uh, is there any discussion or questions about 7 minutes? 00:01:44
Seeing none of their emotion to approve them. 00:01:49
Almost emotional food foods and then it's. 00:01:51
Thank you. We have a motion. Is there a second? 00:01:55
Alright, all in favor, aye? Any opposed? 00:01:59
Passes unanimously. 00:02:02
We'll move on to item number 5, which is our our business items. We'll start with our public hearing 5.2 of the Parks and 00:02:05
Recreation Master Plan. 00:02:09
So we did discuss this at our last meeting. 00:02:14
Umm, is there a staff presentation to discuss what we are considering? 00:02:17
Umm, so umm, there were a few more changes. We went to work session with the City Council in their last meeting. 00:02:24
And so the consultants and the Parks Department staff are working to, umm, make several amendments. 00:02:30
Umm, and so they will make probably another two weeks or like in our next meeting. So they're requesting A continuance to our the 00:02:36
next regularly scheduled meeting. Wonderful. Thank you. 00:02:42
Uh, does that need a motion or? 00:02:47
Yeah. You want me to get that? Yeah. 00:02:49
Umm, are there any concerns with that or comments from the board? 00:02:52
Right. Is there a motion to continue this to our next regularly scheduled meeting? 00:02:57
Awesome, Miss. All right, do we have a second? 00:03:04
The second right All in favor. 00:03:07
All right, any opposed? 00:03:09
No, no, it is continued unanimously. All right. 00:03:12
We'll move on to item 5.3. 00:03:15
Which is the site plan with conditional use permit for church meeting house at 750 E 575 S? 00:03:19
Umm, even though 5.4 is for the same property, a separate building, that's why it is a separate item. So it will take two 00:03:26
different actions, but I assume will be just one staff report and presentation. 00:03:33
OK. So Anthony, time of yours. 00:03:40
So thank you very much. My name is Anthony Fletcher and I will be. 00:03:51
Presenting about this. 00:03:56
Uh, there's a item today. 00:03:57
So, uh. 00:04:00
Due to send a request that were made during the last. 00:04:02
DRC meeting. 00:04:06
Which has not been met this business item. 00:04:07
Has been. 00:04:10
We're requesting that this business item be treated as a. 00:04:12
Umm, a work session. 00:04:16
Which is we're asking that you vote on continuing this item. 00:04:18
Because we would want to have a more complete. 00:04:23
Umm, you know, application set which includes all the things that we requested during. 00:04:26
DRC, which has not been given to us yet. 00:04:33
So, umm, having said that. 00:04:36
Umm. 00:04:38
I would want to throw it over to the chair to make a vote on changing this business item into a work session and we can continue 00:04:40
the discussion. 00:04:44
OK, just for understanding. 00:04:50
Does it necessarily need to have a vote to be reclassified or can we just have the presentation and then the staff recommendation 00:04:52
is that we use it? Yeah, it's still a, a business item. Umm. 00:04:58
We're we're just asking that, umm. 00:05:05
Do not make a a motion for approval today. Umm, they're, they're still working on the traffic impact now, the DRC requested. 00:05:07
That they dig a little further into the Tia umm, and provide some. That's why we wanted to have that full report updated for you. 00:05:16
But the project is basically 95% there, umm, in terms of completeness. So we'd still like to umm, be able to present it to you 00:05:23
since it's on the, the agenda. OK, let me go ahead and proceed with that. 00:05:29
OK. And I'm assuming you'll talk about those items, is it just the traffic analysis or I'm assuming you'll mention what we're 00:05:35
seeing or what the DRC? Sure. 00:05:40
OK. 00:05:46
So just to give you a slight context, umm. 00:05:47
Of where it's gonna be. 00:05:53
This is the. 00:05:55
Sure, sure, right. 00:05:59
So this highlighted area. 00:06:03
Is the proposed location for the church building. 00:06:05
Yeah, OK. 00:06:11
So that's the highlighted area. 00:06:16
So this is Geneva Rd. just to give you better orientation. 00:06:18
And, umm. 00:06:22
This road is the 575 S. 00:06:24
Uh, St. 00:06:28
The South side of Vineyard. 00:06:29
So the. 00:06:31
For for them to have two buildings up in this uh. 00:06:33
Locked with one face in Geneva Road and the other one. 00:06:36
Here facing. 00:06:41
575 S. 00:06:43
OK. 00:06:47
Just pulling up the rest. 00:06:49
The applicant is on their way here. 00:06:58
So. 00:07:00
That's why I've been there a bit. 00:07:01
Messed up. 00:07:03
But during our analysis, umm. 00:07:08
The whole parcel is. 00:07:11
Hold on. 00:07:20
Just a minute while it loads up. 00:07:33
So this is one side of the the church building that's being proposed. 00:07:40
Umm. 00:07:44
We went through the analysis to also recommend that they add some more umm, bike stalls or bike park into it. 00:07:48
On this South side, uh, there are no issues with that. We made them correct. 00:07:58
This alike you know realign this area. 00:08:03
To have a more. 00:08:07
Straight umm. 00:08:09
I'm osteopedia and experience. 00:08:15
From the church to the sidewalk and. 00:08:17
All the other places. 00:08:20
Umm, they. 00:08:22
Provided parking. 00:08:24
For the site. 00:08:26
There were no significant comments on the. 00:08:28
Number of parking needed, however we did have an issue with. 00:08:33
Umm, the traffic analysis that was provided. What was provided was for just one building, which could be considered to be probably 00:08:40
just this building. 00:08:43
Whereas the site had two buildings on it, this one one here and the other one I'm gonna share. 00:08:48
In a second. 00:08:55
Is there any site plan provided that shows the entire property with both buildings on it? 00:09:00
I have the applicant here now so. 00:09:15
They'll give a lot more detail on. 00:09:17
Everything we discussed. 00:09:20
Just for clarification that the traffic impacts are used for boat buildings. 00:09:22
Yeah. 00:09:27
I California, can you still pull up that site plan? I'd still like to do that before we hear the applicants presentation. 00:09:29
OK, Yeah. 00:09:37
Yeah, before we hear the optics presentation, I'd like to do. 00:09:39
Yeah. 00:09:44
While you're doing it, I have a question for our engineering UMM team. 00:09:51
Umm, I understand that during the DRC there was a request to have a. 00:09:58
Improved, uh, traffic impact analysis that took into account both buildings. Could you share a little bit of light on? 00:10:03
What is being asked? 00:10:09
And what I'm hoping to see in the DRC, we were, we talked about, umm, including, uh, other days of the week to be included in that 00:10:11
study. 00:10:16
Umm and then also look at the viewing analysis. Umm or queuing from Geneva Rd. up to the site. 00:10:22
Got it. Umm. 00:10:30
And so I, I had discussions with the, the engineer that put together the traffic impact study. 00:10:31
Uh, they haven't been incorporated into the report yet. 00:10:37
Uh, but we've, we've had those discussions with them. 00:10:40
Got it. OK. 00:10:43
Appreciate that if I can send it to you. They've also been umm. 00:10:45
UH requested that they coordinate with the POS UMM project just on the South side of the road. 00:10:49
Umm, that. There's the Tilo school that's located umm. 00:10:55
Like South of there we have a kind of a long strip of property and they're, umm, they have a proposal to, to build a facility 00:10:59
there if that would complement their, their main campus that's right adjacent to them. It's like a pocket of warm just out. 00:11:05
Umm, and so we would, we just wanna make sure that we are coordinating like an entrances so that we don't have conflicts with left 00:11:12
hand germs and you know where you have that. 00:11:17
Getting just kind of dangerous so we can line that up, That'd be great. 00:11:23
OK, great. Umm. 00:11:28
Umm. 00:11:31
Anthony had mentioned before. 00:11:32
About parking that the parking that was provided ex. 00:11:34
Was over and above what was required. Did that take into account? 00:11:38
So the way our parking is calculated as we look at the square footage of a particular use and you need to have a certain number of 00:11:43
spaces. 00:11:46
Did we? 00:11:50
Both buildings square footage. 00:11:52
And say that's how many parking spaces we needed. 00:11:55
Yeah. And umm, and the applicant will be able to provide those, those numbers to you, but, umm, Anthony and, uh, Rachel, our 00:11:58
planner did, uh, an analysis of it. And so that's one of like kind of check boxes you have to meet the minimum. 00:12:05
Parking requirement before we even go to Planning Commission. That's not they should be able to. But yes, the full side was taken 00:12:11
into account. 00:12:14
Excellent. OK. Umm. 00:12:17
Members of the Commission, before we hear the applicant's presentation, do you have any questions? 00:12:20
OK. 00:12:27
Right, we can hear from the applicant then. 00:12:28
Yeah, my computer is. 00:12:32
System here. I apologize that I was late. 00:12:34
Traffic was pretty good. 00:12:38
Come in here. 00:12:40
Uh, I don't know. 00:12:45
Enough to connect to Wi-Fi. 00:12:47
11. 00:12:57
I'm not sure how big it is, let's see here. 00:13:10
Some information you could provide on the project that doesn't require visual. 00:13:35
Umm. 00:13:40
That's a good question. What what questions do we have? So the first. 00:13:41
Umm, item is that has been discussed a bunch of the question of whether. 00:13:46
Umm, both meeting houses are to stay on the same parcel. The intent for the church was to keep them together on the same parcel. 00:13:52
We didn't really want to. 00:13:56
Separate amount unless we needed to. 00:14:00
Umm, I know the original traffic study addressed both. 00:14:02
Meeting houses. 00:14:06
And one of the issues with uh. 00:14:07
Umm, coordinating all of the Dr. approaches is that Geneva has a pretty strict requirement to keep, I think something like 550 00:14:10
feet, I don't remember off the top of my head. 00:14:15
The first drive approach before Geneva has to be pretty far away. Umm. We've reached out to both of the land owners to the South 00:14:20
of the property and haven't heard back from either one of them as far as what their plans are, although. 00:14:26
We did talk to the contractor who built the Telos property and he said that current he is not aware of any plans to do any 00:14:33
immediate construction. 00:14:37
And so if that's the case, then we we would assume that our Dr. approaches that we. 00:14:42
Put together with dictating that they would need to coordinate with us. 00:14:48
But we're open to working with them if we have any little room and if they have any plans that need to be accommodated. 00:14:52
Umm. 00:15:00
Can I ask a question about that? Yeah, go ahead. Anytime. Umm, so. 00:15:03
Spoke with contractor. Did you attempt to reach out to the property owner? 00:15:07
Uh, I did reach out to both property owners. The he, the contractor is the one that gave me one of the pro, the TLS property 00:15:10
owners contact information we only had. 00:15:15
The con the contact information for that contractor. So. 00:15:20
Is it mainly just? 00:15:26
Phone calls or phone calls and emails I sent, I sent all my plans to them. That would be. 00:15:27
Affected by what they're planning to do. It's one of those items where if I don't have something going on, I'm not gonna jump on 00:15:33
an e-mail from some random architect sometimes, if that makes sense. So, so I can understand why they may not have. 00:15:39
Send back to us right away. Understood. Yeah. We just wanna make sure that there's been. 00:15:45
Clear efforts shown to contact them in every way. 00:15:49
I just want to make sure I. 00:15:56
Just wanna make sure that I understood. 00:16:00
So we're going back to the traffic study. 00:16:03
To include days other than Sunday. 00:16:05
To include all the days of the weekend. 00:16:09
Say that. Oh, that one. The other item, that's you. 00:16:12
Yeah. 00:16:16
Geneva Rd. UMM will be hitting everything. 00:16:18
Umm. 00:16:23
This is 20 megabytes so I can copy it onto. I have an external right here if I can put it onto your computer network. 00:16:25
Do you mind stating your name for records? 00:16:36
Yes, I'm sorry. I'm Ray Harris with VHD Architects. My name is LAFE Harris Harris. 00:16:38
It's solid now, Anthony. I don't know if that means that I can get on or not. 00:16:51
And we just click onto it and we should be good to go. 00:16:58
Of course, if you're not, if you're not able to get on, just keep it moving the umm. 00:17:13
Umm, the show moving. 00:17:18
We have, we have a plan. So if you're, if you have anything different, unless Anthony, why don't you just kind of stand by him and 00:17:20
and and and just present it? Yeah. 00:17:24
Let's keep a minute. 00:17:29
Now you are OK. 00:17:48
So, umm. 00:17:53
What you'll see here is that we have the 2 two different meeting houses. The one on the left, which is the West meetinghouse is 00:17:55
A10 ward young single adult building intended to serve the University Utah Valley University students. 00:18:02
Umm, the one on the right is gonna be in. 00:18:08
Uh, typical family board building is intended to serve I think 4 or more or vineyards depending on. 00:18:11
The need in any particular time. 00:18:19
Umm. 00:18:21
So we can go. 00:18:23
To uh. 00:18:25
You wanna go to the elev. The elevations are on 88200 sheets. 00:18:27
They're gonna be kinda far down. 00:18:34
They're we're almost there. 00:18:37
So the buildings are both gonna be. 00:18:40
Slope proof buildings and they both will have brick on them. This one is the the married or the regular family work building. 00:18:43
It'll have all. 00:18:52
Umm, brick exteriors. The intent? 00:18:54
And it's a pretty typical building. It's not a state center so it wouldn't have the expanded size and need for parking or 00:18:58
anything. 00:19:02
Umm, it's gonna be a four word building. 00:19:06
And we have, I don't have the numbers on the top of my head. They're in the range of 300 parking stalls for this building, in the 00:19:09
range of 500 parking stalls for the other building. 00:19:14
That would that would have the 10 words in it. 00:19:19
And then after I'm parking, if you could provide that to the planning committee, Planning Commission, How how over are they? Oh, 00:19:25
mine's working. 00:19:28
Oh, OK. 00:19:32
Here we go. Uh. 00:19:38
OK. 00:19:44
So this is a plan of the. 00:19:49
The landscaping. 00:19:54
We have a couple of items that are need to be resolved which is 1 is on the South property line we have. 00:19:57
A trail that's fairly wide, so that means our parkship is only three feet wide. So we're working out with the. 00:20:04
Staff right now how to address the tree ordinance. Our typical strategy is to leave the. 00:20:10
Areas in front of the building not to have a whole lot of tall trees in front of them, A few maybe. And right now the design has 00:20:16
only a couple of trees on the side. They're small trees and then a couple of larger ones. And we're working with the landscape 00:20:22
arch architect right now to increase them behind the sidewalk. 00:20:27
To get something more, uh. 00:20:33
Conducive to what the ordinance work, uh has in it. And then here on the southeast corner we have a larger area of lawn where we 00:20:36
replace. 00:20:41
Some of that with some trees as well to get that. 00:20:45
Improved. 00:20:48
Umm, we typically also do water wise. 00:20:50
Planting so you can see around this building will have not very much sod, but then we do have. 00:20:53
A fair amount of shrubs and small trees right around the building with typically a rock type of mulch and will usually have two. 00:21:00
Colors of rock instead of just one color. 00:21:08
Umm, we have. 00:21:12
A plan to have the buildings connected in two locations. 5 pedestrian walkways down here in the middle of the parking lot and then 00:21:15
up here in the north. 00:21:19
Section by the pavilion. The intent is to have a pavilion up here that would be utilized by the. 00:21:23
Congregants of both buildings. 00:21:29
Each building also has its own dumpster enclosure for. 00:21:31
Waste. 00:21:36
You can see up here. 00:21:38
Is the one kind of out of the way and then over here is the the other? 00:21:40
Uh, let me see here we got. 00:21:45
The exterior for the Ten Ward building is gonna be. 00:21:48
Brick above with pre manufactured stone veneer below so you can see it'll have a pretty good 2 tone building now. These are not. 00:21:53
The colors that the owner wants necessarily me recognize they need to be earth tones, but they haven't selected any earth tones. 00:22:02
Materials yet to to settle on. 00:22:11
So we have a few views of it that you're welcome to gander at. 00:22:13
The height of the SQL would be pretty close to a typical steeple height. Even though the building is a little bit larger, it is 00:22:19
much taller than the typical building. 00:22:23
Umm, this is a side view here. It does get a little bit larger than the the regular one. It's about 1/2. Again as large as a 00:22:28
regular meeting house. 00:22:32
You can see a couple of elevations here. 00:22:37
Let's see here. 00:22:41
This is again the Friday night, so maybe a little bit clearer here where we have the stone. 00:22:45
The the brick on the building and then these on the side are. 00:22:50
Uh, I believe, I mean, look, I better check before I tell you what those are made out of because it's been a little bit of time. 00:22:53
So those are store front windows that have a darkened glass on the front right there in the in the brick and stone. 00:23:00
So let's see here. This is the uh, we were gonna talk about parking really quickly. I don't. 00:23:10
Think I've had a parking number in here but. 00:23:16
And just to clarify, I'm sorry. So I have these two buildings, those elevations, floor plans, you just show, umm. 00:23:20
Reflected which building? 00:23:26
So those are this larger building on the left, the ten word building. 00:23:27
And it's gonna have, uh. 00:23:31
Umm 2 different chapels, one in the back and one in the front, and then it'll have one large. 00:23:33
Well I I guess it's a medium sized gym in the middle. 00:23:39
The idea being that. 00:23:42
Typically. 00:23:44
They're trying to get everybody together to meet each other and to have kind of a community. 00:23:45
Type of a scenario. So the other building is. 00:23:50
A fairly typical. 00:23:56
Family building so it's gonna have just the 1 Chapel here and then one gym. 00:23:58
Let's see. 00:24:05
I don't think I have too much more to talk about. I can show you a quick. 00:24:12
Overall plan just for your information. 00:24:17
I know you guys are planning commissions, you don't. 00:24:20
Look too much at all of the different umm. 00:24:22
Different interior plans that this building holds a few more in each of the the. 00:24:25
The meeting house, I guess it does kind of affect our parking numbers, but the way these buildings are used. 00:24:30
And then this goes back to our traffic study discussion. 00:24:35
The way these buildings are used, this one has usually has they'll expect around. 00:24:38
150 to 200 people every in every ward that meets there. So you would have two of those awards that's in the building at the same 00:24:43
time. 00:24:48
And the other building. 00:24:52
Has umm. 00:24:54
They would have forwards in the building at the same time, but it's numbers are gonna be about 2/3 of that. They don't have quite 00:24:56
as many together at the same time. 00:25:00
And the the issue that we have with the parking study is that there's not really a. 00:25:04
An established way to measure the extra days that are being requested the the traffic engineering. 00:25:09
Group that I guess it's a nationwide organization discusses typically. 00:25:15
The peak hours and that's how they analyze everything. How is the impact gonna be on the neighborhood during this peak hour? 00:25:21
And all of the, the parking, I mean all of the, the traffic lights and those types of things. 00:25:28
But so as we're trying to work out with the engineering department how to meet the exact understanding of what they're meeting 00:25:34
because. 00:25:37
The the only real. 00:25:41
Other times when there's gonna be a lot of traffic will be in the evenings on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursday type of thing, and 00:25:42
then it's gonna be about a six. 00:25:46
Of the number of people that would come when it's at its maximum because they're only gonna have a part of each board that comes 00:25:50
in it's only gonna be a re dramatically reduced number of people coming to the building. So we're in in discussions right now 00:25:55
about how does he represent that adequately from this understand it. 00:26:00
I have a question. I apologize if I'm using. 00:26:06
Church lingo umm. 00:26:09
Are either of these proposed to be a stake center? 00:26:10
The the. 00:26:14
Why is a building is a state center? So they'll have state offices and then they'll have ten ward offices in it. 00:26:16
I ask that because at least twice a year and then possibly more. 00:26:21
There will be large gatherings that are more than just the typical one word at a time, uh, type of thing for like a state 00:26:27
conference or other things. So I think that should be considered as well. Umm, if we're going and updating the traffic, traffic 00:26:33
impact analysis anyway, just to see how special events like that, even if they are only held. 00:26:39
A couple times a a year. Umm. 00:26:45
I I would just hate to see things belong to the road. I agree with you. That's an important thing to take into consideration. They 00:26:48
typically don't expect. 00:26:52
More than the the regular number of the two words that would be in that building at the same time. Does that make sense? 00:26:56
So you you might have 75 ish percent attendance in 2 words at that time you might have 50% attendance or. 00:27:03
30% attention from the various words all coming together. We will analyze that and let you know how that works. 00:27:12
Yeah, along with that. 00:27:18
Christmas services and Easter. 00:27:23
OK. 00:27:26
We'll look at all those. 00:27:28
Is there anything else with your presentation? I don't have any other things. OK. 00:27:33
Alright. 00:27:38
I'm, I'm curious, yeah, we'll start with questions from the Commission. Once we've done those, then we'll have some public 00:27:39
comment, OK. 00:27:43
I got a question just about parking. How over parked is it like? 00:27:48
You mentioned you have additional parking. I'm curious what the requirement is and what is being delivered. 00:27:52
Plan I don't have off the top of my head what the things requirement is. We typically are quite a lot larger providing than what 00:27:59
the city requires and usually we get about 75% of it used on average. Yeah, because I remember the last one it was like way higher 00:28:05
and I just think. 00:28:11
You know. 00:28:18
Going driving around the city, seeing all these empty parking lots. 00:28:19
I don't, I think there could be, I don't know that we have to go as above and beyond. 00:28:24
So I think personally for me, it would be cool to see. 00:28:29
That pavilion area and the turf expanded to allow for more use if we're. 00:28:32
Way above and beyond. 00:28:40
The parking requirement. So we we. 00:28:42
We there are about. 00:28:45
If I remember right, there about 10 buildings similar to this in the vicinity and the. 00:28:47
Goal is to provide enough and not too much and not too little. And for sure the numbers that we provide are pretty typical for so 00:28:53
that when we're having a state conference or other big meeting like that, we're right in the right things. We're not overloading 00:28:58
and we're not having people park out on the street, which is. 00:29:02
For sure it's a big danger, so we would love to provide more of that landscaping, but I don't. 00:29:07
Know that the parking numbers would justify that. Yeah, I just think that. 00:29:12
That's something to consider. I mean, just because I've been on Sundays day conferences. 00:29:16
I rarely see it. 00:29:21
A jam packed definitely, so that makes sense. 00:29:23
OK. 00:29:28
Is there any other questions for our Commission members? 00:29:29
Yeah. So, uh, just to answer your question, so it's 4. 00:29:34
Of the Chapel to 1 parking spot. 00:29:38
So on on, at least on the on the smart search. 00:29:41
Uh, they provided 2, about 200 and umm 35 parking stalls. 00:29:44
And umm, what was required was the 64. 00:29:49
So just to give you an idea. 00:29:53
Is the same proportion for the other side. 00:29:54
Four seats, one. 00:29:57
So, yeah, So what what would you see with some of our other chapels is that the church does have kind of prescribed, umm, parking 00:29:59
numbers. 00:30:03
Umm, because they're, they're from what the church planners have told us in the past is that they, they do look at the peak. So 00:30:07
probably your Eastern Christmas, uh, services and, and, and they, they, they kind of shoot, shoot for that. 00:30:13
That's sort of like, like the mall planning for a, uh, you know, the Christmas or the Black Friday test. And I see, I hear Sam. 00:30:20
Yeah, I, I know for sure I get it, but I know. 00:30:25
Yeah, yeah, I might be a conversation for another day. What questions? 00:30:30
Whether the number of seats? 00:30:36
Is the appropriate calculation versus square footage. 00:30:38
Umm, because I put up chairs, I can always add more seats. 00:30:42
Fire code be darned, you know. And so I, uh. 00:30:46
Just something for us to think about. Umm, I'm I'm sure it's been compared with other cities and there's plenty of case. I used to 00:30:50
see what works and what doesn't and maybe it's totally fine but. 00:30:54
Just off the top of my head, that sounds question, but we are working on the the code amendments as well. And so if that's an area 00:30:58
you would like us to to dive into, now would be actually a good time for us. 00:31:04
That's to tackle some of those. Maybe there's nothing just welcome in it, but we could talk about it and bring it by even like a 00:31:10
minor amendment afterwards. But we can, we can act at least just look to see if it's working. Yeah, yeah. 00:31:15
Yeah, thanks. 00:31:21
OK, thank you. Get sit down. 00:31:24
We'll now do some public comment. Uh, what we'll do if you can just come and ask your question. We'll do all the public comments 00:31:27
and then we'll close public comment and then. 00:31:31
Umm, address whatever questions were asked, so time is yours. 00:31:35
Did you share your name beforehand? That would be great. 00:31:40
Hi, it's David Luray. 00:31:45
Holloway Rd. 00:31:46
Umm, thank you very much. Let me make a comment. I realize it's not the normal order of things. I appreciate the chance to do 00:31:48
that. 00:31:51
So umm, I would just wanna say when it comes to parking and stuff like that, have I just been released from a young adult? 00:31:54
Service calling uh. 00:32:00
I'm familiar with what happens in those buildings if you have two chapels where you have two wars meeting. 00:32:01
Simultaneously but they but. 00:32:06
But you also have, uh, more than this high school hour meeting at the same time. 00:32:08
So if I forward those cars to four boards, he'd be accommodated at one time. 00:32:12
Plus any Tran, any any shuffling that goes on for next time out. 00:32:16
In addition to that, there's Al also, uh. 00:32:20
He'd be aware of these. 00:32:22
You you're not gonna get a family of four to a vehicle. It's usually one or two to a vehicle at most. 00:32:24
I know that, I know it's ideal. We'd like to have people rideshare. 00:32:30
But umm, in many cases, umm, they, they, they live where they live and they come. 00:32:34
And they and they drive their car there. 00:32:39
Especially when the winter time when it's cold like this. 00:32:41
Uh, right against the way. 00:32:44
Umm the other the other states that are in the area. 00:32:46
Down the corner into the corner of of Geneva and University Parkway and that went down there and that's. 00:32:49
That is a, uh, in adult stakes under there. 00:32:55
Uh, similar in capacity to this one. Pretty similar. 00:32:57
And we have a, I don't know how many spells they have, quite large, but they're right next to the, uh, Utah parking area. 00:33:00
And I have to tell you that many times for a state conference is up where I I see that area overflow being used. 00:33:07
So it would it would be wise to let them have as many stalls as they'd like. 00:33:13
And then some. 00:33:17
I I know, I know you'd love to have grass skate and I would too, but you know, I get it. 00:33:20
And I give it a lot of reasons. I keep that. 00:33:24
We could, we could look at the requirements and see. Obviously it's up to them to provide. 00:33:26
And as long as they're meeting the minimum, if they're prerogative, they provide as much as they. 00:33:32
They would like to, but I think. 00:33:37
Or from a practical standpoint, I it really, I mean, that's just, that's just the way life works. 00:33:39
Oh yeah, no, they they drive their car. 00:33:44
Thank you very much. Appreciate it. 00:33:47
Is there any other public comment for this? 00:33:50
All right, we're closing public comment. That was your chance. 00:33:56
OK, umm. 00:34:00
Planning Commission members, is there any discussion or questions that you have for the applicant or staff before we entertain any 00:34:02
motion? 00:34:06
OK. 00:34:12
David's point. 00:34:15
On street parking, what are they? 00:34:17
I I haven't driven past this particular area so. 00:34:20
The natural place for. 00:34:24
Overflow is. 00:34:27
On street, right? 00:34:29
So. 00:34:32
What? What are we looking at there? 00:34:34
Yeah. I, I, I think that is something that we'd like to see in the revised traffic traffic impact analysis, yeah, that we're 00:34:39
asking for. 00:34:43
That's a good idea yeah. I mean once that's that's important about the Tia it gives you the ability as a Planning Commission if 00:34:48
you see umm some sort of an impact from the site that can na negatively impact the city's right of way that we require some sort 00:34:55
of improvements whether it's a turn lane, it's a shoulder umm that's why it's a backup whether it's uh you know just. 00:35:02
Adding things that can accommodate what the peak hour, umm, and it impacts are gonna be. And so, ha, having that information is 00:35:09
gonna be really, umm, helpful for us because that will provide a list of recommendations from the, umm, traffic engineer and then 00:35:14
our engineering team would, would review that as well. 00:35:20
OK. 00:35:30
Umm, in a row? 00:35:31
OK. I have a few thoughts and then we'll do motion. 00:35:35
Umm, based off this, I feel like there's just a few things we need to see, uh, before we can. 00:35:39
Do any approval Umm, and so I'm I'm of the opinion that we should move to continue this. However, the next one, I think the 00:35:45
presentation can be incredibly brief. 00:35:49
Umm, mainly just addressing the topics that we're requesting to see. 00:35:54
There's nothing here that looks overwhelmingly disturbing to me. I, I think it will be great for the community. Umm. 00:35:58
But what we'd like to see and, uh. 00:36:05
I I will just phrase it and then if you all agree, then we can do a motion. 00:36:10
Umm, I, I I'd like to see this come back with an updated traffic impact analysis that addresses all of the umm issues that has has 00:36:13
been raised by staff. 00:36:18
As well as umm. 00:36:23
Clearly showing. 00:36:26
Uh, parking in some kind of table. Put this in your, uh, presentation to us. 00:36:28
Umm, some kind of table that says this is what the requirement is, this is what we are providing, and this is what we anticipated 00:36:33
being. 00:36:37
For special events such as state conferences. 00:36:41
That's all Fireside or other events where maybe there's a business general authority. 00:36:44
Times like that. 00:36:50
You'll get everyone show up plus their girlfriend and plus their boyfriend and plus their cousin. 00:36:51
And they'll all drive their own car twice. And so I want to make sure we are addressing all of this and then finding the right 00:36:56
balance. 00:37:00
Of planning for worst case scenario but also understanding that worst case scenario might be. 00:37:05
Very, very rarely. 00:37:10
So that we can also take into account, because I do agree with Kaden, that. 00:37:12
We don't necessarily need a big asphalt jungle. 00:37:16
Because we're gonna use it once a year. 00:37:21
And so I just need to see what that balance is. Right now, I don't know the numbers, so it's hard to know what that balance is. 00:37:23
Umm, and then understanding. 00:37:29
Uh, the applicants. 00:37:31
Justification behind what they came up with and why they're proposing these many spaces. Umm. 00:37:33
Second also show. 00:37:39
That. 00:37:41
How you've attempted outreach to the neighboring developer? 00:37:42
Umm, if it's an e-mail from phone calls, awesome. Just be able to show that in whatever revised submittal goes to city staff. 00:37:45
Umm. 00:37:52
Members of the commissioners there anything else that you think you should see when it comes back? Uh, no, I think that captures 00:37:54
it. OK. Umm, sorry, I didn't mention as part of that traffic impact analysis, whatever staff wants to see, but also addressing 00:38:01
parking, including overflow. Parking wire overflow might be. Thanks. I didn't mention that before. 00:38:07
Umm staff, is there any other item that you believe should be included in a motion? 00:38:14
No, I, I think, I think we've covered umm E everything. So yeah, we'll be satisfied. 00:38:23
OK, I know I just did a lot of talking. 00:38:29
Is anyone willing to? 00:38:31
Make a motion reflective of all the notes that I just said. 00:38:33
And wants to somehow recite them back for a minute hike. 00:38:36
Can I just say? 00:38:41
As stated by our chair or do I have to go? Are you comfortable with that? 00:38:43
There we go. 00:38:48
OK. 00:38:49
Uh, I'll make a motion. 00:38:50
I moved to continue. 00:38:51
To the just the next meeting. 00:38:54
But I missed a feature. OK, I moved to continue. Uh. 00:38:56
Umm, items 5.3 and 5.4. 00:39:03
To a future meeting. 00:39:07
Or do I have to do it one more time? 00:39:09
Saying about OK if I put you in 5.4 to a future meeting. 00:39:11
Uh, with the changes and items as stated by our chair. 00:39:14
Awesome included. 00:39:21
Umm. 00:39:22
Second motion, then second all in favor. 00:39:24
Aye, any opposed? 00:39:27
All right, there we go. 00:39:30
Thank you. 00:39:32
All right, umm, moving on to item 6, there are no items. 00:39:34
So we're now at Item 7, which is staff and Commission report. 00:39:39
Are there anything worth reporting by members of the Commission? 00:39:44
Hearing none, is there anything from staff? 00:39:50
Yes, thank you. Umm, as you know, just a quick update for the Vineyard Center. Vineyard Center is. 00:39:52
Essentially like the local government center, umm, that we're in the process of designing that'll have in your city. 00:39:58
Mountain Land Association, the government or local MPO as part of that. So we're in those preliminary umm stages, it's called 00:40:05
alignment. So we're in that alignment stage where we're understanding the square footages and we're getting kind of the conceptual 00:40:10
ideas of, of how that facility could, could, umm, could, could look and, and be programmed. So those early stages as well, umm, as 00:40:16
we get further along, umm. 00:40:21
Then we'll, uh, we'll, we'll bring those plans to you. Ultimately, Planning Commission will be approving. 00:40:27
The umm, the the site plan for it, so that'll be an exciting. 00:40:33
But we'll try to get get some updates for you as we go along. 00:40:36
Umm. We have umm. 00:40:39
We're kind of in a very preliminary stages. Umm. 00:40:41
Of the Umm Holiday Rd. Umm Bicycle Blvd. Umm project. 00:40:43
That's something that, umm, you know, David Luray from the Citizen End has, has really hit up. 00:40:48
Uh, headed out, umm, And so we have kind of their conceptual ideas and plans, umm, to how the slow traffic makes the pedestrian 00:40:53
and the bicycle experience better and safer. 00:40:58
And so, umm, we're in the process of that so. 00:41:03
Umm, we should see that design and planning process kicking off most likely in April, but potentially in May of. 00:41:06
About about a couple months. 00:41:14
We're gonna work to get a consultant on board and, umm. 00:41:16
And work with the community on on making that umm corridor safer. 00:41:20
So other out there that's great. 00:41:25
Thank you so much. 00:41:27
I wanted to mention that, uh, the Linden Heritage Trail is currently under construction, umm, connecting the trail from Linden 00:41:30
down to the Marina, uh, by our public works building. 00:41:35
Umm, so that's, that's, uh, going so that it will be completed. 00:41:41
In a few months. So it's just an interesting thing. 00:41:44
Appreciate that. Thank you. 00:41:48
OK, alright. 00:41:50
I have a quick question. 00:41:53
Umm, Vineyard Center. 00:41:56
Yes. 00:41:59
It's called both the Senior Center and some call it. 00:42:01
City Hall What's the? 00:42:05
Yeah, it's the same thing. So the reason why, I mean, it's all City Hall and City Hall is the standard term that you would use for 00:42:08
where you a city has its services. 00:42:13
Umm, but like the title of it, umm, on the sign will be Vineyard Center, kind of like the Boise Center. If you've been in Boise, 00:42:18
the Boise Center has the city health options, but also has their transit agency. I think their MPO is there. There's there's like 00:42:24
there's all those services. There's all like some state and it's a really big facility. 00:42:29
Ours won't be that big, but it'll it'll have umm. 00:42:35
Getting different services there. So umm, Vineyard Center keeps it more general, uh. 00:42:37
Umm, but it also is specific to our city, so we still wanted to celebrate, you know, the name of the city in the Midnight Center. 00:42:43
So from here on out, we're just calling it Vineyard Center. 00:42:48
Umm, which will contain City Hall, the city office functions. 00:42:53
OK. And. 00:42:58
I would guess. 00:43:01
That mag doesn't. 00:43:03
What type of thing in that I mean? 00:43:08
Would prefer. 00:43:10
Yeah, to work in someone's City Hall, Yeah. And that has to be very careful too, because they serve, umm, many cities that cover a 00:43:11
few counties, umm, and, uh, you know, in all the cities in Utah County and. 00:43:18
I think uh. 00:43:25
What were the others like Heber like those? I mean they, they, they cover umm quite they have a pretty big service area. 00:43:26
So that they umm. 00:43:33
Have to keep kind of their alignment general even though like we definitely like having our NPO there because they they they def 00:43:36
definitely build a lot of power when it comes to transportation. 00:43:41
Umm, economic development and those kind of things, But umm, they have to treat everyone E equally. So for them it's important as 00:43:46
well to be something that's not necessarily the Vineyard City Hall and stuff. 00:43:52
That's definitely one of the reasons. 00:43:59
OK, OK. 00:44:01
OK. Anything else? 00:44:04
We get to adjourn. 00:44:06
We are adjourned. Thank you, everyone. 00:44:09
OK. 00:44:12