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PM Welcome to the active Transportation Commission meeting. 00:00:00
We'll start off. 00:00:07
With sorry guys, this is my first time. 00:00:08
So today on the agenda, we've got presentations including our civic clerk training. 00:00:14
By recorder. 00:00:22
Pamela Spencer and she'll train us. Train the ATC on the Civic Clerk Portal. 00:00:24
And then after that, we will go over any public comments. 00:00:31
And we'll also have a presentation by author Diane. 00:00:37
Elisa, author of Love Letter to Suburbia. How to Restore the American. 00:00:42
Village. 00:00:48
And then followed by approval of minutes, consent items, business items. 00:00:49
Staff and Commission reports and adjournment. 00:00:58
All right, Pamela. 00:01:01
The time is yours. 00:01:03
Sorry, I did this training in the. 00:01:12
Planning Commission. And so Anthony asked me if I would do it for you guys. You should have received an e-mail today. I have two 00:01:13
e-mail addresses for you. 00:01:18
So I think the Martina dot. 00:01:23
Or Huntington 1 is. 00:01:25
The one that I put on your account. 00:01:28
OK perfect. I was meant to e-mail you that and I forgot. 00:01:30
Thank you. 00:01:32
So much going on. 00:01:34
But anyway, I promise to keep this short and sweet. Maybe 5 minutes Max, right? I just want you guys. 00:01:34
To understand and utilize. 00:01:40
Our board portal. 00:01:42
We have a public portal which is the public facing side where we post the agendas. 00:01:44
But we also post them in the board portal. 00:01:48
And you'll need to go. 00:01:51
And you'll click on your name. 00:01:53
When you first login, it may ask you to create a password if you haven't yet. If you don't have one on the public side, then it 00:01:56
will ask you to create a password and stuff. 00:01:59
And then you're going to go to your e-mail preferences. 00:02:03
And you're going to make sure this box is clicked. 00:02:06
And you're going to click Save. 00:02:09
Some people have access to more than one. 00:02:11
Board and so there'd be more than one there, but just make sure that's clicked. 00:02:14
Hit Save. 00:02:18
And then? 00:02:19
OK, what did I do? 00:02:22
OK. And then you'll be able to access. 00:02:25
The agendas in a. 00:02:28
Different way than just the PDF that's on the public side. 00:02:29
And the things you can do about it, you can click around it and. 00:02:33
But the things I wanted you to see. 00:02:36
Is that you can actually take notes which are private. 00:02:38
Notes are not subject to a records request, so please don't be sharing your notes with. 00:02:41
Anybody other than your Commission members? 00:02:46
So you're welcome to write notes before the meeting so that you know what you want to talk about. 00:02:51
You're welcome to write notes during the meeting. They're all yours. OK, so you can go over here. 00:02:56
To notes. 00:03:02
You can see which ones you've written notes on. I was playing with them the other day so. 00:03:03
That's why it looks like there's some in there. 00:03:09
There's really not. 00:03:11
I was just typing. 00:03:13
Yeah. But anyway, so those are the things you can do. You can actually, if there's minutes in there, you can go in and access the 00:03:16
minutes this way. 00:03:19
You can see that I put them in there, I just don't publish them. 00:03:23
I mean, I don't e-mail them out. 00:03:26
To everybody, because. 00:03:28
People don't want 1000 emails. 00:03:30
So that's what we do. 00:03:32
That's my dashboard, huh? You like my dashboard? 00:03:35
It's great. 00:03:38
But you can just go around. You can look at the packets as well. 00:03:39
Let me see if I can get it to go back. 00:03:43
What something else is nice? You can actually look at the full packet. 00:03:47
And look at all the attachments while you're in the meeting. 00:03:51
And be able to. 00:03:55
Have everything accessible. 00:03:56
That you. 00:03:58
May ever want for the meeting. 00:03:59
Right. 00:04:01
So, umm. 00:04:02
Just a lot of things. 00:04:05
Occasionally like. 00:04:07
I mean, I don't know that there'd ever be anything confidential for you guys that would go in there, but that's where you would 00:04:09
access it if there is. 00:04:12
You know, maybe a draft of a flyer or something you guys are putting together and you don't want it out to the public till it's 00:04:16
put together. 00:04:19
Because that. 00:04:22
When you get hand up drafts of things it can cause creep. 00:04:23
Create confusion. 00:04:26
For people. 00:04:28
And so that's why we don't give out drafts. They're not a record. 00:04:29
Until you have a final. 00:04:32
Unless you use that draft for some. 00:04:34
To rely on things you're doing. 00:04:37
So drafts, notes, they're all. 00:04:39
Private and not subject to records requests. 00:04:41
So do you have any questions about getting into this and about working in it and about utilizing it? 00:04:44
For your meetings. 00:04:49
Any questions at all on that? 00:04:52
Told you short and sweet. 00:04:54
But it's just another Ave. for you guys. This is this is where you're going to get your agendas. 00:04:56
So you need to get logged in so that you receive those emails when Anthony. 00:05:02
Publishes those agendas in the packets. 00:05:06
Because that's where you're gonna get the notification. 00:05:09
Hey look, I have a meeting. 00:05:11
So if the if the public has subscribed to the meetings to get agenda notifications, that goes through this system as well, it goes 00:05:13
through the public portal OK, which? 00:05:18
You guys have seen that? 00:05:25
Public portal. 00:05:27
Public portal maybe? 00:05:31
So there's all kinds of things you can do in the public portal as well. You can filter so you're just getting. 00:05:34
Specific meetings. 00:05:39
Where you can go dates it goes clear back to 2014 I believe. 00:05:41
It looks like it goes further, but trust me, it doesn't. 00:05:47
You're going to find that there's there's, they're going to tell you there's nothing there. 00:05:50
See, there's no events. 00:05:56
So there's lots of things for the public that are here. 00:05:58
Things you can do. 00:06:03
Create your login. 00:06:04
If you haven't. 00:06:07
Go through your e-mail subscription. You guys could do the same thing. You've got the login. 00:06:08
Go in and if you want to see what City Council and Planning Commission or the RDA is doing or another board or Commission that's 00:06:12
going on. 00:06:16
Click on those e-mail preferences and you'll get those every time they publish their agendas. So it's a great program. It's saving 00:06:20
me. 00:06:23
Many hours we figured out that. 00:06:27
I could spend up to 16 hours on one City Council agenda. 00:06:30
So probably not as long for a. 00:06:34
For the ATC agenda. 00:06:36
But just so you know that, I mean, it's saving us hours and we can move things around if we need to bump them to a different 00:06:39
meeting. 00:06:42
It's click of a couple buttons, so it's. 00:06:46
Really nice SO. 00:06:49
Anyway, so you've got all kinds of options. That's the public side. 00:06:51
This is the board side. 00:06:54
You just get to take notes and do some. 00:06:56
Some other things in there. 00:06:58
That this should take you to the media. 00:07:01
No results, OK, We haven't. We don't have the law. 00:07:05
Recordings. 00:07:11
Well, we don't have the link to suite 1 in the agenda packet right now, so. 00:07:13
But in the agenda itself, let me show you something if people don't know this already. 00:07:19
If you go to the agenda. 00:07:24
It'll actually take you to it. 00:07:26
But it takes you to the full. 00:07:29
Sweet 1. I don't know why it's not loading. 00:07:30
There we go. 00:07:33
So we'll take you to all the meetings that are. 00:07:34
Current or upcoming? 00:07:36
For the next little while. 00:07:38
Not that there's stuff in for all of them, but you'll at least know I just published the RDA in the City Council. 00:07:39
Before he ran down here. 00:07:46
So, so those are, you can see those are things in here. We'll get this updated. 00:07:47
If you don't know anything about Sweet One, it's pretty cool. 00:07:52
Real quick, so I'm going to take another minute because I'd love to promote Sweet One as well. 00:07:56
So when you go to suite 1. 00:08:02
And the meetings live streaming live, which like I said, you don't have it right now. 00:08:04
We usually upload the agenda and the agenda packet. 00:08:10
And then you'll get a transcription as well. 00:08:13
They've added that service for us. 00:08:16
Let me see. 00:08:19
See, right now you just have the transcription. 00:08:23
But we'll get. 00:08:26
Jim and the packet loaded. 00:08:27
Pretty quick here. 00:08:31
And get that done. So you guys have access to that too. So you got it in more than one place. 00:08:32
So. 00:08:37
You should be able to find it somewhere. 00:08:38
When you need it OK. 00:08:41
Are there any questions? Are the are the notes are we able to like have a shared note if we wanted to plan something or not that 00:08:42
I'm aware of. I just they're just your notes, but it would be good if you had. 00:08:48
Something big coming up, you know that. 00:08:55
Active transportation plans say, I think that's is that that's done right. 00:08:57
Anyway, so you guys could have made a whole bunch of notes inside of there that you could have talked about when that came to your 00:09:01
meeting or whatever? 00:09:04
So those are some pretty cool features that we've got available now. 00:09:08
And more than. 00:09:11
Many ways you can find the agenda. It's also on the Utah Public Notice website, Which. 00:09:12
We won't talk about. 00:09:17
OK. Any more questions any? 00:09:23
OK. Thank you. 00:09:24
Thanks, Pam. You're welcome. Appreciate your time. You're welcome. 00:09:26
Remind me of click share to go off. It loves to hang around on my computer. 00:09:29
It was still working the other day. I closed everything. 00:09:35
So these guys can use. 00:09:39
Work No. 00:09:42
I've had it display stuff and not be plugged in. 00:09:45
So anyway. 00:09:49
OK, now my computer is frozen. 00:09:50
Oh, sorry guys. 00:09:55
You're good. 00:09:57
Is it OK if I go ahead and introduce the next section? 00:10:00
All right, the next section is dedicated to public comments, so this time is dedicated for the. 00:10:03
Public, umm. 00:10:09
And comments are limited to three minutes. 00:10:11
Do we have any? 00:10:15
Anyone from the public who'd like to? 00:10:16
Highlight anything. 00:10:20
OK. 00:10:24
All right, then we will turn the time over to Diana Lisa. 00:10:26
And Jordan will introduce Diane. 00:10:31
Yeah, well, she's getting set up. I I'm going to let her introduce herself. 00:10:34
Better, but I will introduce why. 00:10:39
We invited her here, so I read her book. 00:10:41
Very recently and. 00:10:44
Found it to be a very compelling. 00:10:47
Overview of some of the issues that. 00:10:50
Are maybe default North American development pattern creates for. 00:10:54
For families, great score. 00:11:03
Many aspects in. 00:11:05
In society. 00:11:07
And also a great how to guide of how we can. 00:11:09
Take quick and easy steps to rectify those problems. 00:11:14
So welcome, thank you for being here. 00:11:18
Do we need a mic for? 00:11:23
I don't. 00:11:33
Yeah, that's that's great too. 00:11:34
Yeah, this is. It should be, hopefully. 00:11:37
Yeah. 00:11:53
Oh, is there an app that needs to be downloaded? 00:11:55
Oh yeah. 00:12:03
So my name is Diane Lisa. 00:12:26
And I wrote a lot of. 00:12:29
American Village. 00:12:33
I am not an urbanist or an urban planner. I graduated from BYU in acting. 00:12:34
And I independently studied this for the last couple years. We started an organization called NCAR dependency in Utah. 00:12:41
People around me. 00:12:52
Didn't quite have the same vision and it. 00:12:54
And so I wrote this book for the. 00:12:59
In my life that. 00:13:03
And I'm from this class of people. 00:13:06
I brought them. 00:13:09
That I think that they value. 00:13:12
And why? 00:13:14
Villages. 00:13:16
Would be farm. 00:13:17
More beneficial to them than. 00:13:19
Suburbia. 00:13:22
And I. 00:13:23
Really hone down on this after I became. 00:13:25
A mother, I realized. 00:13:28
What situation I had been put in, I was. 00:13:32
Very alone and the environment that I was in was not conducive for raising children and so. 00:13:35
I realized I needed that village support. 00:13:40
And you have to actually build them. They don't just manufacture on their own. 00:13:43
I think a lot of people in Utah kind of get away with it because they have very strong social networks. 00:13:50
But. 00:13:55
When those disappear. 00:13:57
Families end up suffering. 00:13:58
A lot, and so do their children. 00:14:00
The first thing I'll mention. 00:14:04
Is. 00:14:06
We'll just start with the American dream that we have this idea of the American Dream, I think. 00:14:07
Extremely patriotic. 00:14:13
That suburbia, The white picket fence. 00:14:15
The single family house. 00:14:18
Dad playing baseball with the kids on the weekends that that was. 00:14:21
That was the ideal, and it was. 00:14:25
Propagandized in the 1950s and it hasn't really gone away. 00:14:27
But the original American Dream. 00:14:32
Was James Adam Treslow and he said that it wasn't a dream of motor cars. 00:14:34
Or money. It was becoming the best version of yourself, unimpeded. You didn't have hierarchical things in your way you could. 00:14:39
Have an extremely fulfilling life and that doesn't necessarily mean that you were going to have a lot of money. 00:14:49
You could have a happy, fulfilling life without all of the consumerism. 00:14:54
And so that was the hope that I could. 00:14:58
Return to that original dream. 00:15:00
And. 00:15:04
Essentially. 00:15:05
That the American dream that we are heavily relying upon is actually. 00:15:07
Incredibly dysfunctional. 00:15:12
And. 00:15:15
Has caused major cultural wars within motherhood and feminism and. 00:15:16
What it means to have a family. 00:15:21
And. 00:15:23
And even just. 00:15:27
Even with gender and race, all of it was really connected to not having localized communities anymore. 00:15:28
So my book is. 00:15:35
Is set up in 4 sections, but the heart of it is that. 00:15:37
Walkability. 00:15:42
Is the core. 00:15:43
Of human society. 00:15:46
If you don't have walkability as the bedrock. 00:15:47
Than almost everything else. 00:15:50
Starts to fail and fall apart. 00:15:54
Economies, politics, social networks, families. They must rely. 00:15:56
Unlockability. This is how all of human society has been built. 00:16:01
And there's a lot of conspiracy. I was dealing with this a lot when I was trying to help people be more walkable. There's just a 00:16:04
lot of conspiracy that. 00:16:08
Walkability is this extremely top down approach and that we're trying to steal people's freedom away by taking away their cars. 00:16:11
And it's really just. 00:16:19
All of that put aside, this is just the way that we've always built. 00:16:21
Before the 1950s. 00:16:25
For 70 years we've been doing something totally experimental. 00:16:26
And it is. 00:16:30
Set to actually fail. 00:16:31
Middle class if we continued on this route. 00:16:34
There will be no middle class. We're kind of looking towards a very elitist. 00:16:39
Feudalist system. 00:16:44
Where people don't get. 00:16:45
Anymore and they are extremely dependent on. 00:16:47
Transportation. 00:16:51
Variable like. They don't know if they can actually rely on it because they. 00:16:54
On their own 2 feet the entire system. 00:16:59
Has not been built for them. It has been built. 00:17:01
Or an inanimate object. 00:17:03
This card and help me. 00:17:05
And those things are great. 00:17:08
But you can't build the entire framework around things. 00:17:09
Around objects. 00:17:13
So the whole point of this book. 00:17:14
Thank you so much. 00:17:17
To reprioritize and say, OK, first we're building blockabilities. 00:17:19
1st That is the first priority of the first priority. 00:17:23
Then we can have everything back in, including cars. 00:17:27
So the first section is just things that people are bothered by. I don't really even think I need to talk about traffic very much, 00:17:30
but. 00:17:33
It's obviously getting worse. 00:17:37
In Utah, and you guys probably know how to, adding one more lane isn't going to do any good. But what I really wanted to talk 00:17:39
about. 00:17:43
These traffic scenarios. 00:17:48
Actually start to infiltrate. 00:17:50
Their own communities. So there's a neighborhood next to me in Saratoga Springs called Wander. 00:17:54
And all of these brand new families moved in. 00:18:01
And they thought that they were going to be in this. 00:18:03
Peaceful. 00:18:06
By the lake, but no the road in between. 00:18:07
The housing. 00:18:12
Parked in the pool which is supposed to be their center hub. 00:18:13
Where people go. 00:18:17
Is going to have probably 4 new lanes. 00:18:18
Right in that area. 00:18:21
And I would be extremely upset if that happened to me. 00:18:23
And this like, actually effects children too. Like it delays their development if they can't even walk across the road safely to 00:18:26
go. 00:18:29
Safely explore the park like this has huge. 00:18:32
Ramifications for families. 00:18:36
And then I had an experience with Lehigh. They're adding 2000 more units. 00:18:38
Density. 00:18:43
And almost every Lehigh resident that came to protest, it was like, you can't do this to us. 00:18:45
We were a rural town. Like, don't we get a say? 00:18:51
And then the units are probably going to add. 00:18:54
Around 4000 more cars into an infrastructure that's not even handling the traffic as it is. 00:18:58
And. 00:19:04
When I talk to them. 00:19:05
They completely dismissed the idea of walkability, but. 00:19:07
They care about traffic so badly, they just have no idea. 00:19:11
How to resolve it? 00:19:15
So my. 00:19:16
This was one of the first things that got me interested in urbanism. 00:19:19
Saratoga Springs became a. 00:19:23
Traffic trap I could not believe. 00:19:25
How much traffic had come into my very peaceful rural? 00:19:28
Town that was supposed to be invisible and hidden. 00:19:31
But there's really no escape from this type of infrastructure if you are solely. 00:19:34
Relying on cars. 00:19:39
So. 00:19:41
There is a way out of this. 00:19:43
But it has to be through diversified transportation and it has to be walkability. 00:19:44
First, then the housing problem. 00:19:49
Again, like people are like, why can't my kid afford a home? They. 00:19:52
The American Dream. They they got through college. They they got the degree. And yet. 00:19:56
Nothing is affordable and this is another. 00:20:02
Problem with suburban zoning like everything. 00:20:04
Is so completely regulated. 00:20:07
And the infrastructure required for car dependence for you are in a place where you are. 00:20:09
Reliant on a car? 00:20:14
Becomes too expensive. 00:20:15
The taxes can't handle it, the roads can't handle it, even though Eagle Mountain is adding a million new suburban units. 00:20:18
They're not going to change the road. 00:20:26
9 to 13 years. 00:20:28
And people can't believe it, like they can't even get out of their houses. 00:20:31
Because of the way that this. 00:20:35
Setup and so. 00:20:38
The housing affordability. 00:20:41
Is extremely problematic because people. 00:20:43
Walkability allows people to build houses that they need for the demand. 00:20:46
Because it doesn't depend on the infrastructure that the car. 00:20:51
Requires. 00:20:54
And, umm. 00:20:56
And then the other thing too is. 00:21:00
Because it's so regulated, they're like, you can't change anything about this division. We don't want anymore density because. 00:21:02
Density just brings terror. 00:21:07
To suburbanites, they don't want the traffic, they don't want the McDonald's next to them. Like every time you bring people to 00:21:10
people to neighborhoods in car dependent frameworks. 00:21:15
They're like slow down. I don't want anybody. 00:21:21
Here. 00:21:23
I've got it. I want the single family law. I want it as quiet as possible. And that's because. 00:21:24
Car dependence. 00:21:29
Makes it so that. 00:21:31
Chaos comes right into their neighborhood because of the infrastructure. There's two much reliance on cars. And So what happens is 00:21:34
there becomes an appreciating housing market. 00:21:39
And big corporations. 00:21:44
Start buying it because they know they have to do almost nothing for the housing market to go up. They're just making money. 00:21:46
And then they start renting it. 00:21:53
Perfect people. So then on top of everything else with housing becoming unaffordable. 00:21:55
The middle class can no longer even. 00:21:59
Own a home. 00:22:02
Anymore, it just gets bigger and bigger from the very top. 00:22:03
Down approach. 00:22:07
And people start losing. 00:22:09
Economic power. 00:22:10
Because of the way that things are set up. 00:22:12
And that leads me to corporate control. 00:22:15
The road systems. 00:22:18
And the zoning systems that value family, single family housing, which is? 00:22:20
Like it's a step process. 00:22:25
The single family house is the epitome. If you're in a condo or in a town home, you're just gonna start your home. 00:22:27
The goal is to get to that single family house. 00:22:32
And that makes it so that we don't have a free market. Everyone talks about us living in a free market right now. We are actually 00:22:35
not. The infrastructure is completely impeding us. 00:22:40
Because the roads will always favor Walmart. 00:22:47
If you're driving. 00:22:50
You're probably not going to see your grocer, your local grocer, and you're not going to want to go to them because. 00:22:52
Umm, the value system is entirely on price. 00:22:58
So if you know that Walmart is cheaper and the road is kind of leading you to Walmart, you're going to want probably 99% of the 00:23:03
time go to Walmart and Walmarts. 00:23:07
Those big corporations. 00:23:12
Decimate. 00:23:14
Local communities. 00:23:15
They steal their businesses. They make it incredibly difficult for the American people. 00:23:16
To have. 00:23:22
Their own businesses and this is a huge problem because. 00:23:24
These places become economically and politically tyrannical, if you notice. 00:23:27
This is just one example of. 00:23:32
Umm, you couldn't walk into a Walmart. 00:23:35
Without them insisting that you wear a mask. 00:23:37
And this was just like 1 instance of this happening but. 00:23:40
I can only see this type of behavior progressing as these huge monopoly corporations become even more. 00:23:44
And more powerful. 00:23:51
In communities. 00:23:52
Umm. And then it's also a problem. One because they're completely environmentally irresponsible. They don't care. 00:23:56
About. 00:24:03
Any type of plastic usage that they have or consumption. 00:24:04
They're willing to get the cheapest. 00:24:07
Price available. 00:24:10
But we stop having unique cities. 00:24:12
Everything starts to become homogenized. 00:24:14
If you just drive through Utah. 00:24:16
You're going to see a Starbucks and a Walmart and a McDonald's and a Chick-fil-A in almost every town. Like I know Provo has two 00:24:19
chick fil A's. 00:24:22
They just love Chick-fil-A. 00:24:26
And that. 00:24:29
That hurts the soul because you can't. Your neighbors aren't making bread anymore. 00:24:31
And. 00:24:36
They're not coming up with unique ice cream shops and they're not beautifying their. 00:24:37
Areas and. 00:24:42
Everything becomes really dull. 00:24:44
And we start seeking entertainment and meaning. 00:24:46
On online spaces instead of with. 00:24:51
Each other. Sicily has like big ramifications for not only economy but like the human experience. Are we experiencing places? 00:24:54
That are really lovely. 00:25:01
And local. 00:25:03
And are we? 00:25:04
Like walkability. 00:25:06
Makes it so that small businesses can thrive. 00:25:07
And if we don't have small businesses? 00:25:10
People. Really. 00:25:14
Miss out on making their own jewelry. 00:25:15
Company or shops? 00:25:19
So. 00:25:22
It's just a. 00:25:25
It's a sad. 00:25:27
Thing to watch us become totally over. 00:25:28
Consumed by these huge corporations that give. 00:25:32
Almost nothing back to us in return. 00:25:36
And then that just leads me to uglification, Like the more you design things around cars, the less it matters what anything looks 00:25:41
like on the outside. 00:25:45
When you go back in time, you can see these huge architectural wonders and traditional. 00:25:49
Looking buildings. And that's because people were actually outside doing things, walking around, rubbing shoulders with each 00:25:54
other. 00:25:57
And now it's like I have to get from point A to point B as fast as humanly possible, and so things just end up not being. 00:26:00
Very nice and the engineering required to make a Rd. 00:26:07
Right now the engineering standard is to something that kind of looks like this. This is called. 00:26:10
A strode and the reason why the strode looks like this is one because it has to get larger overtime because of induced demand. 00:26:16
And because. 00:26:23
You can't have complexity in an environment environment like this for safety reasons. 00:26:24
So if you return to walkability where you had really thin streets, where a car was going at a slow and steady pace through an 00:26:29
environment with a lot of people. 00:26:33
And you could have. 00:26:37
Architecture back and you can have murals back and you can have kids playing in splash pads and you can have statues and. 00:26:39
And you can have those beautiful trees on the side. 00:26:46
And it's everything's OK because. 00:26:50
The car is not going to get hit, but in a situation like this where a car is going. 00:26:52
Really fast through people downtown space, they're like, no. 00:26:56
We actually have to make things less complex. 00:27:00
So that nobody in the car. 00:27:03
Ends up getting hurt. 00:27:05
And so this is part of the reason why. 00:27:06
As the asphalt continues to grow over the state. 00:27:09
Umm, things just become a lot. 00:27:13
More simple and ugly. 00:27:15
And then? 00:27:17
The billboarding as you can see in this situation, instead of walking at a human pace to a local shop. 00:27:19
Where there might be a tree in shade and they've got flowers in the window. 00:27:24
Now I'm in a car going like 35 miles an hour and things are they're like, OK, well they're going to miss the tree and the window, 00:27:28
the flowers in the shop, so. 00:27:33
We gotta have billboards. 00:27:37
And even small businesses are trying to compete in this environment where they're just like billboarding like. 00:27:39
How can I be as loud and as colorful and tactless as possible to get you to come into my parking lot? And so a lot of America ends 00:27:44
up. 00:27:49
Looking like this instead of having. 00:27:53
Brick pathways. 00:27:56
Trees. Lights. 00:27:58
Architecture. 00:28:00
Flowers, all the foliage that you'd want in a beautiful. 00:28:01
Area and that's. 00:28:06
Something that was also. 00:28:08
Very sad to me. I thought that I didn't like the desert, but I actually love Utah and I just don't like. 00:28:10
The way that we build, and I don't like seeing a McDonald's. 00:28:15
Billboard everywhere I go. 00:28:19
And then I go through a couple more. I won't touch them here, but I basically. 00:28:23
This safety issue. 00:28:28
Is you don't really have a choice. 00:28:30
Whether or not you're going to drive a car, you're either extremely passionate. 00:28:32
You have a hobby for biking. 00:28:36
Or you're like the most poor and desperate among us who have to walk on these highways. 00:28:38
Use your own 2 legs. 00:28:43
We just don't build. 00:28:44
People like they're the last on the list, even though they should be the first. 00:28:45
And that means that communities don't know each other. 00:28:50
And that means communities don't know their own children. 00:28:54
And so. 00:28:57
People don't feel safe whatsoever letting their children. 00:28:58
Go and and walk and be. 00:29:01
One they might get hit by a car or one they might be picked up by a white man. I mean they suburban Knights have a very strong 00:29:04
fear of this, even if it's not super prevalent here. 00:29:08
They still do. 00:29:12
Just the lifestyle that. 00:29:15
Cars and flicks upon us is almost impossible to. 00:29:17
Combat, it takes incredible discipline. 00:29:21
To be healthy. 00:29:25
To avoid processed foods. 00:29:26
To just get the daily movement out, I think a lot of. 00:29:28
Adults probably sit for about 8 hours a day, 8 to 9 hours a day. 00:29:33
At least because they're sitting in an office and then they're sitting in their car and then they're sitting at home watching TV 00:29:37
because there's not a community to fill that space. So. 00:29:41
That's really hard on them. 00:29:47
Degrees the environment, again, if you're building for cars. 00:29:49
You've got air pollution. 00:29:52
You've got plastic. Plastic is one of my most. 00:29:53
Biggest pet peeves? 00:29:56
And it is like. 00:29:58
You can see the trajectory of plastic from the 1950s just skyrocket. Like the moment suburbia started, plastic just started 00:30:00
filling our entire. 00:30:04
Our closets, our refrigerators are. 00:30:09
Other communities like. 00:30:13
It affects foreign communities as well. 00:30:14
Umm, and then this lifestyle. 00:30:18
People are like, well I'd rather go to Walmart because the bread is cheaper. 00:30:20
You saved like $0.30 on bread. 00:30:25
Besides the local grocer, but you also spent $30,000 on the car, the insurance, the car seat. 00:30:28
Your gym membership, your entertainment system, like the lifestyle that we're there's so much missing from our environments that 00:30:36
we're like, OK, well I have to spend like. 00:30:40
Thousands of dollars to fulfill. 00:30:45
Everything else that's not happening in my own environment, so it's extremely expensive. 00:30:47
The way that we're living. 00:30:52
And we could have more quality goods and. 00:30:54
Be a more beautiful environments and more peace and more children out. 00:30:57
But we choose this extremely consumer driven environment. 00:31:00
It's being told to us is freedom like the car is freedom, but in so many ways. 00:31:04
It's not freedom at all. 00:31:09
So, so that's the end of my first section. My second section I just talked about like culture and. 00:31:12
How every generation? 00:31:17
Is experiencing. 00:31:19
Suburbia differently. So this is a quote from my book. No matter when we arrived at the feast. 00:31:20
We are still ruled by a tyrannical. 00:31:26
King. There's a bit of a typo there, but. 00:31:28
Essentially, there's a lot of generational divide. 00:31:32
Of generations like. 00:31:36
Bickering at each other. 00:31:39
And blaming each other and confused by each other which is one of the terms like OK boomer is part of the reason. 00:31:41
Suburbia is the reason why this term has been created because. 00:31:48
Boomer parents, they're all. 00:31:53
They're all gone, but they didn't grow up in a culture of. 00:31:55
Suburban development. 00:31:59
And so boomers, basically. 00:32:00
Got the absolute best version of Suburbia. 00:32:05
And then it degenerates overtime, socially degenerates, ergonomically degenerates. 00:32:09
So you'll see Gen. alpha does not have the same skill sets. 00:32:13
They don't have. 00:32:17
They're not as interested in social things, they're their environments are extremely regulated. 00:32:20
They're not spending time outside. 00:32:25
Their environments are too boring to be in. 00:32:27
They. 00:32:29
Spend like almost 7 to 8 hours at least on a screen a day like they don't have anything. 00:32:31
To fulfill them. 00:32:38
And their parents, as they go along, lose the discipline to deal with the environment as well. So even though parents know that. 00:32:40
Their children need a lot of things. 00:32:48
They can't supply them because they either don't have the skill set. 00:32:51
Or they don't have the discipline. 00:32:55
And. 00:32:56
So that's what this section was about. Like boomers not understanding Gen. alpha and me saying. 00:32:59
You know, how could anybody? How could any of us known? 00:33:04
That the suburban experiment was going to do this like we had no idea, and it seemed really great in the beginning. 00:33:08
And now it's not working like it's it's failed us. 00:33:14
And it's nobody's fault. 00:33:17
But there just needs to be an understanding of. 00:33:20
Why we are so angry at each other, I think. 00:33:22
Millennials were the first really to feel the degeneration. They were like. 00:33:26
What happened? 00:33:30
To the American dream, like why can't I afford a house? And why is the economy so shaky? And I did everything that I was supposed 00:33:31
to. 00:33:35
And it's still not working and so. 00:33:38
It's only getting worse. 00:33:41
And then culture, connectivity and creativity. 00:33:43
I have my most popular reel is me. 00:33:46
Dancing with my husband. 00:33:49
Umm people used to meet through dancing like 80% of. 00:33:51
People of Americans had met at a dance. 00:33:55
In 1907. 00:33:58
And then the 1950s just killed it. Like the moment we created Spurbia, people were like, the Lindy Hop was kind of the last. 00:34:00
Part of. 00:34:08
A casual dancing culture because of the separation of community and cars. 00:34:09
They weren't. 00:34:15
Umm, they weren't connected to each other. 00:34:16
Anymore and it just kind of went downhill from there. And then you see these younger generations and they're like, man. 00:34:18
What happened? 00:34:24
To that like, why don't we have this wholesome? 00:34:25
Culture anymore, and it's because everything starts getting pushed up. 00:34:29
To the top, so. 00:34:33
The. 00:34:37
There's this. 00:34:38
The culture becomes extremely sexual. 00:34:40
Corporate. 00:34:43
Consumer driven because we don't have those local. 00:34:45
Municipalities of people who are like walking in these walkable areas and they're constantly rubbing shoulders with each other and 00:34:48
they know each other and they. 00:34:52
Are creating like events are just sort of springing into nowhere because they're like all familiar with each other and they're. 00:34:56
Having fun with each other during certain points of the year and. 00:35:02
When you take that away. 00:35:06
Communities become. 00:35:08
Socially degenerative people don't want to be involved in politics. They don't want to be involved in their neighbor. They don't 00:35:10
even want to know their neighbor. 00:35:13
And you literally cannot have a culture without people. 00:35:17
It's impossible. 00:35:20
You have to create a space for people actually are organically interacting with each other or they can't. 00:35:22
So I spend all this time trying to like, convince suburbanites by this thing that they're holding onto, that they believe it's 00:35:28
just so precious. 00:35:32
Is. 00:35:36
Really harming them, it's hurting their children so badly. 00:35:38
And it's pulling from their wallets and it's like making it so that. 00:35:43
If you become. 00:35:48
Disabled in any regard, your life is over. Like if you can't drive a car. 00:35:50
Yeah, you got your whole life. 00:35:54
Transforms like if you become blind, how are you? 00:35:56
How are you going to function? You have to like, rely on other people. It's so. 00:35:59
Like we're so ages, we're so ableist with the system, we don't have the freedom that we think that we do so. 00:36:03
The first step that Vineyard could do? 00:36:10
And this is what? 00:36:13
This is this is how we transform Suburban. 00:36:15
Environments into villages where people are like. 00:36:19
Working next to each other and their children can go out and play and we're starting making beautiful environments again and we 00:36:21
bring peace into the community. 00:36:25
And. 00:36:29
We have really unique places where everything, everywhere you go, there's something new and beautiful to witness. 00:36:31
The first thing is to address. 00:36:39
The zoning regulations and incentivize local businesses. So basically we're giving back. 00:36:42
People the free market that they have been denied. 00:36:47
For so long. 00:36:50
I for in terms of like density sake. 00:36:53
I chose a mid density option because I know severe Knights don't want to live in a city. 00:36:56
But The thing is, is that they really want to be near society, and so they can't have it both ways with suburbia. 00:37:01
Like suburbia will. 00:37:08
We'll delete them. 00:37:10
From society like they will. 00:37:11
Umm, it'll make it really difficult to function. 00:37:14
But in mid density walkable areas they can have. 00:37:17
The really awesome school for their kids. 00:37:20
They can have the music lessons, and they can have the pool nearby and they can have the awesome musical theater. 00:37:23
And they can. 00:37:28
They're close to a plumber so. 00:37:31
Basically what you do is. 00:37:34
Say. 00:37:36
For families and. 00:37:37
You start allowing people to. 00:37:39
Add a door to their basement so. 00:37:41
I live with my parents, we're not allowed to. 00:37:45
I live in a unit downstairs with my sister. 00:37:47
In an apartment and we're not allowed to add a door because it's illegal. So I'm like. 00:37:51
Adding density to the area, but I'm not allowed to actually. 00:37:56
Do it. And So what you do is you start saying OK. 00:37:59
Let families. 00:38:02
Be with each other. There's so many Utahns that are displaced right now because they. 00:38:04
We can't afford a home, so you start cutting red tape and this doesn't cost any money. You just start letting people build the 00:38:09
housing that they need. 00:38:12
And have like an idea of how density wanted and and keep that in mind and then. 00:38:16
You not only allow local businesses, but you incentivize them. Walmart gets a tax break. 00:38:24
For like 10 years and they're paying less taxes. 00:38:30
For their property than single family houses in Saratoga. 00:38:33
And So what you do instead instead of? 00:38:38
Giving the billionaires the tax handout, you start giving the tax handout to the local businesses. 00:38:40
So you've now created something walkable. Instead of driving to Walmart, you're now going to walk to your fresh. 00:38:47
Hickory next door. 00:38:53
You're going to go to the Pilates instructor. You are. 00:38:55
I'm going to a local butcher because it's kind of. 00:38:59
Convenience. You know them. They're. 00:39:02
Your children can walk there. You feel safe there, You're connected to them. They have really good quality goods like you. You 00:39:04
start to feel connected to your own community. 00:39:08
Umm and then the next. 00:39:13
Is to actually start making that walkable infrastructure if you start trying to put in trails. 00:39:16
And things before you know where anybody's walking, then things become a little bit useless. So the first step is to actually make 00:39:21
things walkable and functional. 00:39:25
Can I walk to a place? 00:39:30
Is it productive? Is it not just recreational? I'm not just walking to a park. 00:39:32
I'm I'm picking up. 00:39:36
Fruits and vegetables for dinner. 00:39:39
They say, OK, where is everyone going make sure that. 00:39:41
The trail is like as speedy as possible. 00:39:45
Can the person walk and get there as fast? Can the person biking get there as fast? 00:39:48
And. 00:39:52
You start, you know. 00:39:54
Making paths for people and. 00:39:56
That can start happening organically if people just need it. 00:39:58
And then, and this is what I'm talking about, is it peaceful? 00:40:01
Is it beautiful? 00:40:05
Can you take your kid on it if you can't take your kid on the strode with the painted bike lane and you don't feel the same with 00:40:07
your 4 year old. 00:40:11
That's not walkable. 00:40:15
And are things separated, like if you have a space for cars? 00:40:18
Can I safely write? 00:40:21
My bike. 00:40:24
If not, you can just not walkable. 00:40:26
Is it pleasant if not? 00:40:29
It's not walkable. You have. 00:40:31
Deterred. 00:40:33
The priority to some other entity. 00:40:36
And this is the second step, so there must be stuff like this. 00:40:38
Everywhere. 00:40:42
And then the last step, which we always try to make the first step. 00:40:43
Is multimodal transportation so. 00:40:47
This is just. 00:40:50
Mix bourbonite so. 00:40:52
Angry when you try to put a bus in because they hate. 00:40:54
The bus like they they don't want the bus in a system that's made for cars, anything. 00:40:59
That inconveniences a suburbanite. They're like. 00:41:04
I don't want it. You're not wasting my tax money. 00:41:06
I don't want the train, I don't want the bus, I don't want the tram, I don't even want the trail. I want to move through life as 00:41:09
convenient as I can through with my car. And it's because they're already so inconvenienced. 00:41:15
By their car, so after you create things. 00:41:21
Create functional walkability after you start making beautiful trails. 00:41:24
Then you can start being like, OK, where are we going to put the freeway? Where are we going to put the street? 00:41:27
Where are we going to put the tram? The train? 00:41:32
The streetcar. Where can we start diversifying? 00:41:34
Transportation. 00:41:39
And everywhere possible. And I just have this vision of like. 00:41:40
Trains just expanding. 00:41:45
All over the US having like a plethora of options everywhere. 00:41:48
And transportation in this system of a walkable system becomes like a luxury. 00:41:53
If you look at Switzerland. 00:41:58
The wealthy prefer the transportation because it's so nice. They don't have to think about anything when they're on the train. 00:42:00
They can read a book, they can chat with a friend, they can have a coffee. They love it. So this is the type of system where 00:42:05
transportation actually starts to function. 00:42:10
And. 00:42:15
Making things beautiful and functional that really makes people feel like. 00:42:17
Love being here. 00:42:22
I feel safe here. 00:42:24
And. 00:42:26
I can get to my destinations. 00:42:27
With alternative transportation in a meaningful way and not one that takes me 3 hours. 00:42:29
And 1/2 hour bike ride so. 00:42:35
That's the type of thing that. 00:42:38
That's the goal. 00:42:40
And so my last section about families. 00:42:42
It literally takes a village you you can't build infrastructure and not think about families. 00:42:45
Then there's no one to live in it and it's really lame and there's not a lot of life or dynamic. 00:42:51
Or children and so. 00:42:56
My first section is about children. 00:43:00
In my prologue. 00:43:03
And this is another quote for my book. Children were an integral part of everyday society, a conglomeration of adult mimicry, 00:43:04
childlike interests, and, best of all, freedom. 00:43:08
Suburbia separates children from normal society. 00:43:13
And we compensate by making a lot of child center spaces. 00:43:16
And it is so so. 00:43:19
Bad for them. 00:43:21
It is. It delays them. 00:43:23
Almost until adulthood, these are some newsy children, and I talk about some of the problems that newsy children experience, but 00:43:26
they were like extremely competent. 00:43:30
Socially where? I mean they literally took down an entire corporation that was. 00:43:35
Stealing money from them. I mean, these kids were awesome. They. 00:43:40
They knew what they were doing and they were like almost an entire political entity because they were all over the street and they 00:43:45
were allowed to be and they were safe. 00:43:48
And then of course, we need a balanced play education and learning. 00:43:53
So I just talked about some of the needs of our children, appropriate parental involvement. You don't have that with suburbia. 00:43:57
They're being chauffeured everywhere, like they. 00:44:01
They don't have. 00:44:05
A lot of spaces to do things on their own. 00:44:06
And so parents are always like, right? 00:44:08
Over them. They don't feel like they're safe enough. 00:44:11
And have to drive them everywhere. 00:44:13
There's not a lot of outdoor exploration, you just notice the tract homes in suburbia start to just kill all types of natural 00:44:16
environments. 00:44:19
Everything is. 00:44:23
A green lawn, there's not a lot of nature to play in, there's just nothing to explore, so you don't see a lot of children outdoors 00:44:24
anymore. 00:44:27
They they have a lot more interesting world. 00:44:30
Online, on their phones, on their video games. 00:44:33
They have almost no autonomy like walkability creates environments for children can walk and do things. 00:44:36
And be productive and. 00:44:43
They don't really have that there. They can maybe go to the park, but again, the park is. 00:44:45
Pretty boring as to what's. 00:44:48
On the phone and again, like we have extremely regulated child centered spaces and sort of a child just being outside like rubbing 00:44:50
shoulders with adults and. 00:44:55
And playing with other children who aren't even their peers. 00:44:59
They are in sports. 00:45:03
Which starts to become extremely expensive. 00:45:04
Middle classes. 00:45:08
Getting kind of warped out of. 00:45:09
I think. 00:45:12
The drill team that my sister's on is 2 to 3 grand, and it wasn't even that expensive even five years ago. I mean. 00:45:13
It's just getting more and more competitive and harder for children to be in these spaces. 00:45:20
And then I advocate. 00:45:24
Child appropriate work outside the home. 00:45:27
So I am really interested in children not being delayed. 00:45:29
And we are delaying them almost 6 to 10 years in American systems. 00:45:33
A lot of that has to do with driving, but a lot of it has to have the culture surrounding children. We don't want children working 00:45:38
at all, but children need it so badly. And if you create a system where they can walk outside their door safely and you feel safe 00:45:43
with your own community and you like your neighbors and. 00:45:47
You trust them. 00:45:52
Then your nine year old or your 10 year old can wash windows for two to four hours a week at the local. 00:45:54
Bread Shop. 00:46:00
That's something that they can do. I kind of talk about like appropriate work ages. 00:46:01
And timings but. 00:46:06
I just feel like. 00:46:08
Children. 00:46:10
Are just yearning and we make them wait. 00:46:11
Like six to seven years. And by the time that they're 16, they're like, yeah. 00:46:14
I don't want to anymore. I don't even want to drive. Like Gen. Z doesn't even care to drive. You can't delay children. 00:46:18
This much you have to actually provide environments where they can function. 00:46:24
And then of course, socialization and belonging and try to keep them off of their phone if they don't have a place to walk 00:46:27
outside. 00:46:31
We see especially poor communities. 00:46:35
Just entirely glued. 00:46:38
Screen and this makes me so sad. And if you have a value system of a single family house. 00:46:41
And you can't afford that house and you're a kid and living in a condo. Guess what? 00:46:46
You're probably going to be on a screen. 00:46:50
And that has huge ramifications for the future of our. 00:46:51
Society. I talk about infants. You have to. 00:46:56
You have to design environments around infants. I mean, this is. 00:47:00
Of who we are like, you can't. You have to think about mothers and infants when you think about building a place. 00:47:06
If a mother can't function. 00:47:11
She's not going to have children. She just, she's going to suffer having children and she shouldn't be. She should have supportive 00:47:13
communities and she should be able to walk outside her home without the need of a car. 00:47:18
And I cannot imagine like. 00:47:23
Me personally, my life basically ended after I had my kid because he wouldn't sit in a car seat. He was screaming like crazy. I 00:47:25
was like how can I even. 00:47:28
I can't even go places. 00:47:33
So you have to integrate motherhood. 00:47:36
With local communities so that mothers can also start to feel like they can contribute to local communities instead of. 00:47:38
Have children wait 18 to 20 years and then try to get back into the workforce. Umm. 00:47:45
That's a huge. 00:47:50
Huge problem for a lot of women and it's one of the reasons why a lot of women are having children, because we don't have these 00:47:52
local communities where they can join. 00:47:55
So that is the. 00:48:01
Brief overview of my book. 00:48:03
Basically I asked. 00:48:06
The reader, you know, like. 00:48:09
What is the American Dream? Is it? 00:48:10
Is it tracked homes or is it really beautiful? 00:48:12
Dynamic places where your children can function and can walk and you have. 00:48:15
Economic freedom and things are being designed. 00:48:19
Around people again, Is it the car? 00:48:22
Or is it being able? 00:48:25
Go on a bike ride with your kids and have them get fresh air and get fresh bread and. 00:48:27
Feel like they're getting their needs met and you're getting your needs met. 00:48:33
Is it Costco? 00:48:37
Although it's my convenience or. 00:48:39
Is it your own? 00:48:41
Having your kid be able to pick up eggs for dinner and learn adult skills. 00:48:43
And that's that's a convenience all on its own. 00:48:48
And, umm. 00:48:51
Helps families function where you have like, beautiful spaces instead of dreary parking lots. With Costco's everywhere, I mean. 00:48:53
We really do have to choose. 00:48:59
And then is it kids on phones? 00:49:01
Or is it kids? 00:49:04
Actually living. 00:49:05
A life, practicing adulthood, being outside, feeling like. 00:49:07
They're trusted to do things. 00:49:11
On their own. 00:49:13
This is the America that I. 00:49:15
And. 00:49:17
It really just starts with the way that we used to build before the 1950s. America used to build this way and it's. 00:49:19
It's completely possible, you just have to start cut reading. 00:49:25
Cut cutting red tape. 00:49:28
And it doesn't cost a lot of money initially, I mean. 00:49:30
Things just become walkable if you let them be walkable. People make trails. 00:49:32
Wherever they go, if they can, they'll just find a way. 00:49:37
And of course transportation is always going to be the most expensive, but. 00:49:41
This is possible. 00:49:44
And for Vineyard? 00:49:46
Particularly. 00:49:47
One of the biggest things you can do is. 00:49:50
Start telling people. 00:49:53
That there's something. 00:49:55
Better for them. 00:49:57
And. 00:49:58
Start allowing. 00:50:01
Start convincing people to allow. 00:50:05
More walkability by allowing families to move in with each other again. 00:50:07
Umm, by allowing the Baker to show that he has a business. There is a Baker almost a block for me and I didn't know for 10 years 00:50:13
because it was illegal. 00:50:16
But they're already there. Like if you go into Facebook, we already have the bones. People are like. 00:50:21
There are businesses everywhere, they just can't. 00:50:26
Compete and they can't show that they're doing it. 00:50:29
So that would be the first step and. 00:50:33
Yeah, I, I'm really excited. 00:50:37
About this message. 00:50:41
For my children and. 00:50:44
I suffered quite a bit in this system and I don't want them. 00:50:46
Same so. 00:50:49
Thank you so much. 00:50:50
For inviting me. 00:50:51
Anyone has any questions they're free to ask. I also have some discounted books in the back if you would like. 00:50:53
Any questions? 00:51:01
Thank you guys. 00:51:06
Yeah. 00:51:11
I think vineyards kind of unique. 00:51:13
I think kind of a unique situation. 00:51:19
Where we kind of have the suffering. 00:51:22
Yeah, there was. 00:51:28
Yeah. 00:51:36
About Vineyard or Utah City. 00:51:42
Yeah, I guess I mean with how it relates to. 00:51:46
That was the part of like. Why? 00:51:49
Yes. 00:51:51
Yeah, I know. I I do. Vineyard is. 00:51:56
Has more. 00:52:00
Ideas about walkability I think. I think we're like missing like the. 00:52:02
Thing which is that productive local business. 00:52:06
For Utah City, I don't mind Utah City at all, I think. 00:52:10
A fine idea. 00:52:13
I think that Utah City is going to be incredibly car dependent still I I find. 00:52:15
That is the biggest problem with the way that we're going about things we don't have. 00:52:20
No matter what, we're always turning our. 00:52:26
Our view to the car. 00:52:29
And it's it's mostly just a logistical problem. It's because not everybody. 00:52:30
Is on board. 00:52:35
Yeah. And so you can't really function without a car. 00:52:37
For Vineyard. 00:52:40
Do you have any ideas babe? 00:52:41
Yeah, I can. 00:52:43
Comment on Utah City Jeff Spec. 00:52:45
Is a great designer I think. 00:52:47
My only concern with it is that. 00:52:50
Local communities. 00:52:56
And so you still have corporate? 00:52:59
In those environments. So that's my biggest worry. 00:53:02
You're going to have some elites that buy a. 00:53:08
Oh. 00:53:22
Sorry. Thank you. 00:53:23
So I'll just. 00:53:26
Quickly. 00:53:27
Utah City is going to be built. 00:53:29
Top down. 00:53:31
Involve a lot of corporation. 00:53:32
Control and money. 00:53:35
To build and it won't have the local community environment that it needs. 00:53:37
The to start from the bottom up. 00:53:42
It might get that way eventually. 00:53:45
Overtime and it might not depending on. 00:53:48
How long corporate control lasts in that area. 00:53:51
Now for Vineyard, I think Diane already said, but I'll reiterate. 00:53:54
Its businesses. 00:53:59
Where's the nearest? 00:54:00
Grocery store. 00:54:03
Is that in Vineyard? Ask us in six months, right, OK. 00:54:07
I, I don't want to pick. I don't mean to pick on you guys about that. I think you guys know this. 00:54:13
You you feel that pain. 00:54:19
But that is the epitome of what? 00:54:21
This American dream is. 00:54:24
The village dream is about. 00:54:26
Restoring the American Dream means. 00:54:29
Building these villages where there are businesses in. 00:54:33
Your community, and when you put a business in your community, that's one less car that needs to drive to get those services. 00:54:36
So if you can take cars off the road, that means the cars that need to be on the road get where they need to go faster, increasing 00:54:44
your efficiency in your economy, in your city. So build for local businesses. 00:54:50
If you. There are businesses in Europe that have. 00:54:57
Lasted world wars because. 00:55:00
They are so connected to their communities that their communities uphold them. 00:55:03
And value them more than. 00:55:08
Than the Walmarts and that don't care about your community they just want your money. 00:55:10
So that's the biggest thing. Start with, start with that. You already have pretty good walkability. 00:55:14
Consider. 00:55:21
Alternative. 00:55:23
Routes from the road. 00:55:24
Is another big push I would say. 00:55:26
If you. 00:55:30
The routes that I rode to get here today. 00:55:31
Was working in Provo and took my bike on the bus and then. 00:55:35
Biked in the rest of the way. 00:55:39
The routes were all next to. 00:55:42
Roads. 00:55:45
And if you think about children again, designing around children and families, are you going to want? 00:55:46
To ride your bike next to the road, the busy road and possibly have your child. 00:55:51
Fall over and if there's no buffer between the. 00:55:56
Road and the sidewalk or. 00:55:59
Or the trail. 00:56:00
They're falling into the road. 00:56:02
Potentially. 00:56:03
So those are some considerations to make. 00:56:04
How do you connect people to where they want to go? 00:56:07
And where do they want to go? 00:56:10
Really don't. 00:56:25
My name is David Pitch. I live here in Vineyard. 00:56:30
And I have two questions. 00:56:33
I'm not sure of the term. 00:56:35
1. 00:56:37
Can you give me your ideas of building? 00:56:39
Bottom up. 00:56:42
And the origin. 00:56:44
Of Verbiah. 00:56:46
So this is a free market movement if you were to ask? 00:56:49
People. 00:56:54
If you were to tell people in the 80s that malls were gonna die, they'd be like. 00:56:55
No, they're never dying. 00:56:59
People love malls and that's where they went to socialize and hang out. 00:57:01
And now malls are like dying. 00:57:06
If you go to Provo, they're trying to sort of. 00:57:09
Push it away because people aren't going there anymore. That's kind of the idea. There are other, there are going to be other 00:57:12
outlets. 00:57:15
Where again, like convenience matters with walkability. 00:57:19
If I can walk a block or two. 00:57:24
To get what I need instead of drive a 2 ton vehicle in a lot of traffic. 00:57:27
They're going to pick the walkability, they're going to pick the small business, especially if you know that guy and he's like 00:57:34
really good to you and. 00:57:38
You really appreciate what he's doing for your community and he's like a. 00:57:43
Political bulldog, you know he's defending you and. 00:57:46
He's been around for a long time. There's we don't have a lot of family businesses so that that's another thing. 00:57:49
We're trying to restore this family cohesion through businesses. 00:57:55
And the origin of suburbia is. 00:57:59
Sort of a drawn out process, but essentially. 00:58:01
The value system when cars came into view. 00:58:04
There is a bit of conspiracy with the car industry which actually got caught in a. 00:58:08
Court case. 00:58:13
And then pay a fine because they were. 00:58:14
Buying up? 00:58:17
Transportation and then destroying it with face companies. 00:58:18
But nobody really cared at the time because they liked the idea of the car. It was a lot of freedom and during that time 00:58:22
everything got shifted and values. 00:58:26
To the car. So it used to be that people ruled the streets and when cars came in. 00:58:30
They no longer did, even though people were very. 00:58:34
Unhappy about it? 00:58:38
The cars ended up winning that battle. 00:58:40
And then? 00:58:42
Really, I would say that suburbia started due to a trauma response in World War 2. Everyone came home and they're like, I don't 00:58:43
want to live in the city, I want to be away. 00:58:49
And the suburban development kind of already existed in a lot of ways. 00:58:54
But it really just exploded. 00:59:00
Right around the 1950s. 00:59:03
And. 00:59:05
It was in our television. It was I Love Lucy and Andy Griffith Show, and they're like, this is the place. 00:59:06
This is the place we're going to. 00:59:13
You're gonna have a. 00:59:15
A car in a beautiful home and. 00:59:16
It's gonna be so family oriented and really community driven and strong and. 00:59:19
The suburbs don't provide the organic community, so just. 00:59:23
Disintegrated communities overtime. 00:59:27
Especially with the advent of technology, just I would say that technology just speed it up. 00:59:29
I wouldn't say that. 00:59:34
The suburbs. 00:59:36
I think that the result of the suburbs sort of happened anyways, but I think technology was like, OK, let's get this. 00:59:39
Show on the road because they have other outlets too. 00:59:46
Entertain themselves with. 00:59:50
Did that answer your question? 00:59:51
Anything else? 00:59:55
Please introduce yourself as the local Baker. 01:00:00
So I did want to give you some help for Vineyard. 01:00:04
Because. 01:00:07
You know we are in a spot where. 01:00:08
I love what you're saying having local community or having local business owners and having. 01:00:11
Home ownership as an option and we do really seek that out. We are looking. 01:00:15
When we are looking at developments, we're looking for ways to negotiate to encourage developers to make sure that we have 01:00:19
ownership as an option. 01:00:23
And I see it also, there's so many problems at the state legislature with, you know, it's, it's run by developers quite often. 01:00:28
There are a lot of people. 01:00:32
That have that mentality. 01:00:37
But I do see a lot of hope in things like I have a I'm a local Baker, I bake out of my home, and I feel very supported by our 01:00:39
wonderful community. 01:00:44
And there is legislation at the state that allows me to bake out of my home without. 01:00:50
You know, with I have to disclose certain things and but it's the Homemade Food Act. 01:00:56
That allows me to be a small town at home Baker. And so I think that there are things that we can do as a community to kind of 01:01:01
push for the state to create laws like that. And also Vineyard is very. 01:01:08
Adu friendly we do see the value in having. 01:01:15
Homes where people can have that basement apartment because we believe it brings in. 01:01:19
People into that family setting as much as. 01:01:24
Umm, you know your concerns with suburbia. 01:01:27
It is great to be able to, if that is where we are, we want to be able to let people be there with us, right? 01:01:31
And so I think, I think there are a lot of challenges and I appreciate everything you pointed out, but I also do see a lot of 01:01:37
hope. 01:01:40
For that walkability that we are bringing and. 01:01:44
I think Jeff's back. 01:01:47
I love his perspective. 01:01:50
I love. 01:01:53
I lost the name of the book. 01:01:54
Paved paradise. 01:01:56
Is very interesting. 01:01:58
It's, I think it's concepts like yours and these other books that. 01:02:00
We can take what we have and kind of approve upon it. 01:02:05
But I don't think we'll. 01:02:09
In your perfect world, we wouldn't have. 01:02:11
Any of this right? 01:02:14
But I think that by taking advice from things like that, I think that we really are. 01:02:16
On a great track. 01:02:21
Like I think just even with this active transportation Commission, I think you guys are doing a wonderful job at what your goals 01:02:23
are and. 01:02:26
What planning we have. So sorry, I'll stop. We love having you here. Thank you so much. 01:02:29
It's amazing. I didn't know you were actually Baker. 01:02:35
Yes, I love. 01:02:40
Some good fresh bread. It's so hard to make sourdough. Yeah. 01:02:42
Exactly, it takes a lot of work. I just burned my sourdough today. This is such a bummer anyway. 01:02:46
So yes, if you guys would like a book, my husband has some. There's just $12.00 they're usually. 01:02:53
16 plus shipping on Amazon so. 01:03:00
If you like one of those. 01:03:03
Umm, just let us know. 01:03:06
And thank you so much for giving me your time. I probably took a bit. 01:03:07
Too much time. 01:03:11
But I appreciate you and. 01:03:13
Have a wonderful night. 01:03:15
Thanks for sharing your. 01:03:21
Perspective insights with us. 01:03:23
All right, so we'll move over to the next. 01:03:27
Item of business approval of minutes. 01:03:30
None of that. 01:03:36
We'll skip over that one. 01:03:37
OK, business items? 01:03:39
Update on the ongoing citywide Wayfinding master plan. 01:03:42
From Bike, Utah. 01:03:47
OK, my name is Cameron Carter. I am a city planner with Bike Utah. I'm sure you all know Chris Wilsey. He's usually here. 01:04:11
With me is also Jacob Brooks. 01:04:18
He is a graphic design specialist with Bike Utah, and so he'll be doing part of this presentation as well. 01:04:20
Is there anything I have to do to connect my screen? 01:04:26
Is it that circle button? 01:04:37
I said yeah. 01:05:23
Capital V. 01:05:35
Seems to be connected. 01:06:10
There you go, Sir. Thanks. 01:07:00
OK, so very briefly. 01:07:04
As I mentioned, I work for Bike Utah. We are. 01:07:07
Partnering with Ave. Consultants on a wayfinding. 01:07:10
And active transportation amenities planned for Vineyard. 01:07:13
As well as an actual transportation update. 01:07:16
Just quickly, this presentation we're going to provide an update on. 01:07:19
On the work we're doing, I'm gonna show you survey results. 01:07:22
We're going to talk about wayfinding, destinations, amenities, signage, concepts, and next steps. 01:07:25
So we are sort of finalizing our research on. 01:07:30
Wayfinding and best practices for cities like Vineyard in terms of the size and population. 01:07:36
We're also doing existing conditions analysis. 01:07:44
We will be evaluating the city by bike, looking more at amenities specifically. 01:07:46
I'll talk a little bit more about route prioritization criteria in a moment and community engagement. 01:07:52
And then Jacob will do signage concepts at the end. 01:07:57
So we submitted a survey last December, I believe is when it started. 01:08:01
Last I checked there were 120. 01:08:06
Respondents. So it's pretty good for a city survey. 01:08:09
And there are 5 slides going through some of the main findings, so this one shows. 01:08:12
How do you usually travel to destinations in Vineyard So. 01:08:18
This was a select all that apply question you can see. 01:08:21
Among the 120 people. 01:08:24
76 were walking, 62 were biking. 01:08:26
Part of this question was also looking at how prevalent are golf carts and how. 01:08:30
How much should we incorporate that perspective in this plan? 01:08:35
And as you can see, almost nobody. 01:08:38
Drives a golf cart. 01:08:41
According to the survey. 01:08:43
So I think also just. 01:08:44
She comes to a soccer game on a Saturday in summer, Yeah. 01:08:46
This one shows how often people are using active transportation. It's very high almost every day or a few times a week. 01:08:54
Which is a good sign for the population. 01:09:01
This shows the top three places that people visit when using active transportation. So Lakeshore Trail. 01:09:05
In your Grove park, Vineyard Beach. 01:09:12
Front runner station. 01:09:14
This is helpful for us as we are deciding which destinations are most important to include on wayfinding signs. 01:09:16
This shows. 01:09:25
When you're 1 biking and Vineyard do you generally ride on multi use paths, sidewalks or on street with cars? 01:09:26
This came from a question we were thinking about. How should we be orienting these wayfinding signs? 01:09:32
If you're having a sign for bicyclists, should it be facing the street or on the multi use paths? Vineyard is? 01:09:39
Interesting compared to most cities in Utah and that there's multi use paths on almost every major St. here. 01:09:45
Which is, you know, really convenient and this shows those multi use paths are they're used quite frequently by cyclists. 01:09:51
So we intend to. 01:09:57
Direct these wayfinding signs. 01:09:59
To the cyclists using those multi use paths. 01:10:01
And then lastly this one shows. 01:10:05
The top three active transportation amenities you would be. 01:10:08
Or that would be the most useful to you? 01:10:11
So active transportation amenities are. 01:10:13
You know, sort of features or facilities that will improve the experience for cyclists or pedestrians. 01:10:16
You can see the most desirable amenities here are trees or shade structures. 01:10:21
Benches and picnic areas. 01:10:26
And lighting, water fountains, public restrooms. 01:10:28
That's another thing to keep in mind. Just what do people in the community want most? And so, you know, this is helpful for one 01:10:30
year directing investments in the future. 01:10:34
Wayfinding destinations, so part of the. 01:10:40
Wayfinding plan. 01:10:44
We have. 01:10:45
Created these sort of distinctions or categories for wayfinding. 01:10:47
Level 1 Districts and regional destinations these are. 01:10:51
You can see they're listed here. So Mill Rd. Entertainment District. You also have the front runner station. These are really. 01:10:56
Large, large. 01:11:01
Destinations that draw a lot of regional traffic. 01:11:02
On the other side you have local destinations Level 3, so these are. 01:11:06
Obviously local destinations that don't have much regional traffic. 01:11:10
When we're thinking about wayfinding, we will be prioritizing these level 1 destinations. 01:11:15
Given that, they obviously have the most usage. 01:11:19
And also the people who are using them are likely to be visitors coming from other cities. 01:11:23
And so wayfinding will be most beneficial to those. 01:11:28
People compared to local destinations who are most used by people who currently live here. 01:11:31
And you know, may already know where these destinations are. 01:11:35
Here's a map that shows some of these destinations. 01:11:40
In blue, the larger one are the level 1 destinations you have Front runner, UVU, Geneva Park. 01:11:43
Miller Entertainment District. 01:11:50
Level 2 are more of the regional parks like Lakeside Lakeview Sports Park. 01:11:52
Yeah. 01:12:00
Lastly, route prioritization. 01:12:03
We are thinking about. 01:12:06
How should we prioritize these wayfinding investments? 01:12:08
And the idea is that I think ideally. 01:12:11
We will be making recommendations for all existing routes, but you might. 01:12:14
Making decisions on which routes to. 01:12:18
Build out first if you have a limited budget or other constraints. 01:12:21
There might be. 01:12:26
Might be a need to pick specific wayfinding signs to build this year compared to next year the following. 01:12:27
And so some of the prioritization criteria we're looking at. 01:12:32
Our route quality. 01:12:35
This refers to facility type. 01:12:37
The idea being that facilities that have high comfort and high safety. 01:12:40
Mainly multi use paths. 01:12:44
Are going to be used a much, much more than bike lanes or buffered bike lanes. 01:12:46
And so because of that higher usage, we are going to prioritize routes that have higher quality. 01:12:51
Route continuity refers to gaps. 01:12:56
In routes so there are certain streets such as Center St. 01:12:58
That is a multi use path for most of the way and then it sort of drops off and there's a gap as you get closer to the highway. 01:13:03
Those gaps will limit ridership and so we will be. 01:13:11
Prioritizing routes that do not have gaps. 01:13:15
Route directness. 01:13:18
This refers to how direct a route is from the origin to destination. 01:13:19
If a route is very curvy. 01:13:23
People are less likely to use that for transportation purposes, right? 01:13:25
And then lastly, proximity to destination. 01:13:29
This refers to the fact that routes that are closer to destinations are going to be having the most ridership. 01:13:32
Obviously people are trying to get places when they're. 01:13:39
Walking or biking, whether it's to a park or a business. 01:13:42
So you know routes like Mill Rd. even though it might have low route quality. 01:13:45
It is much closer to many of those destinations and so people are still likely to use it. 01:13:50
A couple of questions. 01:13:55
Well, I guess I'll pause there. Are there any questions from you so far? I know there's a lot of information. 01:13:57
Are you able to? 01:14:03
Share these afterwards. Yes, absolutely great. 01:14:05
I wanted to simply get some feedback. 01:14:08
On umm. 01:14:10
Your perspective on prioritization and how we might be weighting these different criteria. 01:14:12
For instance, should we be prioritizing routes that are more direct but have gaps? 01:14:18
Compared to routes that you might have complete facilities. 01:14:22
Are less direct. 01:14:25
In other words, among these four, which would be most important to you? 01:14:28
And how should we be factoring those in, unless you think they're all equally valid and should be weighted equally? 01:14:32
My initial thought and passion area on this is first safe routes to school because those are. 01:14:40
People that can't drive that need to be safe and also everyone else benefits from that. 01:14:46
That falls within here too, but I. 01:14:52
Like those are some of the higher priority areas I would think. 01:14:54
OK. 01:14:57
Yeah, I agree. I think especially with wayfinding. 01:14:59
I think people who would be more reliant on wayfinding are not very familiar with the neighborhood or the terrain. 01:15:03
Umm. And so I think prioritizing the complete. 01:15:10
Probably, maybe not as direct or efficient route makes more sense there. 01:15:14
And just from personal experience, I feel like there's. 01:15:19
There's like always that shortcut or the whatever that you can take on your bike if it's early morning and there's not a lot of 01:15:22
traffic that you wouldn't do later in the day. 01:15:26
I feel like stuff like that is not something that we need to put on a sign of saying, hey, go this route, but only before 6:00 AM. 01:15:31
Yeah, that makes sense. 01:15:38
OK, the other thought I had is. 01:15:41
Near transit. 01:15:46
That's where maybe folks that are coming into the city that aren't as familiar with it as those who live here, making sure that 01:15:47
it's very clear, at least from the train station, how to navigate around and find major destinations or whatever it might be. 01:15:53
You probably already thought through all that. 01:16:01
No, it's very helpful. Thank you. 01:16:03
Any other thoughts before we go to some sign? 01:16:05
Design. 01:16:08
I think just going back to what Anthony was saying, just. 01:16:13
And it kind of takes that bottom up approach. 01:16:18
For example, the kiddos, right, they're kind of forced to. 01:16:23
To ride if their parents let them ride. 01:16:28
And we want it goes back to that community feel of. 01:16:31
We want to set up an environment that is safe so that parents would feel comfortable for them. 01:16:35
And just thinking of like. 01:16:41
The routes from homes all the way to the schools, routes from homes all the way to the parks like places that they would. 01:16:43
Most likely end up. 01:16:49
Creating that safe. 01:16:52
Base that route all the way through. 01:16:53
And I feel like that continuity would. 01:16:56
Would factor into creating that space for them. 01:17:00
OK, OK. 01:17:04
Thank you very much. 01:17:06
Oh, a couple more slides. Just amenities. 01:17:08
Just briefly, I already mentioned this, but active transportation amenities are features that enhance your experience while 01:17:11
walking your biking. 01:17:14
Part of this plan is identifying where amenities currently are. 01:17:17
And where they are not. And so we'll be making recommendations for. 01:17:21
All of the amenities listed on this screen. 01:17:25
I did want to just mention to Anthony that we have data for the top three. 01:17:27
And we do not have data for the bottom three or bottom. 01:17:31
76. 01:17:34
So we'll be doing our own assessment unless you can provide additional data, which would be very helpful. 01:17:36
So perhaps you could e-mail me later. I will say on. 01:17:41
Open St. maps there are a few layers that have some of the at least public restrooms. 01:17:45
Some of the bike racks and bike repair stations as well. OK, maybe not everything. It's probably still worth doing an audit, yeah. 01:17:51
OK. And additionally, are there any other amenities? 01:17:58
That you would like us to consider or making these recommendations? 01:18:02
OK. 01:18:13
All right, yeah, I will be able to send this out later, so if you have additional comments, you can always e-mail me. 01:18:15
Jacob will now talk about science. 01:18:21
Hello, I've been sitting in quiet for the last like. 01:18:26
Two hours. I'm just like me, me, me, me, OK. 01:18:30
My name is Jacob Brooks. I'm with Bike Utah. I'm their communications and graphic designer specialist. 01:18:34
Before we begin this, because this is a very subjective conversation. 01:18:39
I need to know who y'all are and who's in charge, Who's making the decisions when it comes to the signage? Is it one person? 01:18:43
Now I would say it's our committee. OK, so it's the committee and sorry, we make recommendations. Can you briefly tell me who you 01:18:51
guys are? 01:18:56
So I'm like, know who I'm talking to? 01:19:00
I was a brief before OK for this year. 01:19:03
I'm Anthony Jenkins. I think I've spoken to you about bike valet here as well. I support the turquoise. Do you like that? I had a 01:19:07
rocket. I wasn't quite sure. I'm like, should I get dressed up? I don't know. 01:19:12
No, it paid off. I'm Jordan Christensen. OK. 01:19:18
And you're the other Anthony, right? 01:19:21
The only Anthony. 01:19:23
OK, so you will be making the decision when you know we have our council member in here as well. 01:19:25
Yeah, our Commission. Are you the Baker? I feel the vibe. I feel the council. Listen, our Commission can't commit funds or make 01:19:29
any decisions that way. We typically make recommendations to the council. Perfect. Perfect. No. OK. 01:19:35
I've done this before with Arm City. I helped with their branding. We just, they paid us a lot of money. Not like Utah, but I'm 01:19:42
also a graphic designer. 01:19:46
To redo their flags so if you guys want to spend some doubt. 01:19:51
Come. No, but in all seriousness, I'm talking about your style guides. 01:19:54
As I was working with the signage, I realized. 01:19:59
I don't know if there's a cohesive style guide that you guys have or want to do, so I'm willing to help you with that as well. 01:20:02
Marty. 01:20:09
OK, so let's begin. 01:20:12
So this is a pretty generic sign. 01:20:16
They call it a. Is their standardized MU TCD? 01:20:20
Green, you've seen this everywhere U dot. 01:20:23
You guys did this science, right? These are you guys. 01:20:29
Yep, all the way. 01:20:33
If you like it, do you guys like it? I don't know. We'll go. So this is the option one I wanted to show the differences between. 01:20:35
You know what we can offer there is the standard. 01:20:41
The next one I've noticed that I try to mimic. I think you guys have a few of these signs. Yeah, there's some up by the and by the 01:20:45
way. 01:20:48
We need to do all these signs. I don't know if we've had this discussion in terms of the decision sign, the confirmation sign of 01:20:52
the turn sign, so. 01:20:55
And and hopefully eventually we can do some toppers and. 01:20:59
Pavement markers so. 01:21:02
This is option 2. 01:21:04
So these are I would consider these your standard signs designed or whatnot, but. 01:21:06
This is what we're starting to get a little bit fancy. 01:21:11
OK. So listen, listen, you don't have to make a decision yet, OK? Again, this is subjective and you guys are making the decisions 01:21:16
or? 01:21:19
As a group, A committee to pitch them right. So if you guys want to sit on this or if you need more iterations, this is a talking 01:21:22
point. 01:21:26
Especially I'm a little nervous that we've got so many people in the room, not everybody's gonna like the color blue, so. 01:21:31
Let's just let's just talk about that. 01:21:35
I will talk about the iconography later. 01:21:39
In the slides but. 01:21:42
Again, it's subjective. This is a, this is what do we call this? This is a non standard enhanced design. 01:21:43
And again, you guys don't have a style guide, so I kind of had to go off. 01:21:51
Of what I felt there are there are some color schemes, yeah, so there, yeah. 01:21:54
Yeah. 01:22:01
I think the style guide he sent me included maybe some colors. 01:22:02
I don't know about the typography. 01:22:06
Again, we can all decide that moving forward, I want you to pay attention to the shapes. 01:22:08
I want you to pay attention to maybe the iconography like I said. 01:22:13
Maybe your logo eventually. Here's another one. 01:22:17
Again, I this is this is purely aesthetic and we need to decide what direction we want to take tonight. 01:22:20
Whether or not you pick one or not so. 01:22:27
I would say this is more of a more modern vibe. 01:22:29
I try to stick to your Blues. 01:22:32
Your Blues were a little. 01:22:34
What do you say like? 01:22:35
Kind of faded a little bit, so I maybe darkened it for contrast. 01:22:37
Again, these are. 01:22:41
Yeah, more designs again. 01:22:44
Focus on the placement markers because we would love to see that as well. 01:22:46
Again. 01:22:50
They're subtle. You guys are saying these are all the exact same designs? I've only did 1 design. 01:22:52
I didn't. It's subjective. It's it's, it's, it's, it's in your subconscious, right when I go to this next slide. 01:22:56
Did you notice that there are three different types of bikes? 01:23:03
Did you? No, I didn't. OK. 01:23:07
Did you notice what orientation they were facing? I don't know why MUTCD faces that left. That doesn't seem like it's moving 01:23:09
forward. It seems like it's moving back but. 01:23:14
I chose and I hope you will choose. 01:23:19
The one on the far left purely for the. 01:23:22
Cultural change of cyclists. Bicyclists. 01:23:24
That we're more than just throwing on lycra and and speeding as fast as we can. We want to kind of. 01:23:28
Show a symbol that we are a community. 01:23:33
A variety of type of bikers so. 01:23:37
And this gives you an overview of six designs. 01:23:40
Again. 01:23:45
If you want to go down 1, you know. 01:23:46
A style. We can do that or you know. 01:23:48
If you hate them all, don't tell me over the mic because. 01:23:50
I work with Orem City and I tell you they they were brutal. 01:23:52
So yeah, I think. 01:23:57
If I'm wrong. 01:23:59
Chris wanted to make a decision tonight. 01:24:02
He's not here. 01:24:04
So what would you guys like to do moving forward? 01:24:06
One question I have is I believe there are regional trail wayfinding standards. There are county. Yes there are. MAG MAG has some 01:24:09
that we can follow as well which I believe is option 6. 01:24:16
So if you don't want to get fancy and if you don't want to expand your brand, especially when Utah City comes into play. 01:24:22
That's your guys S decision for sure. 01:24:28
If you guys want to maybe play with it a little bit and make it more. 01:24:31
User friendly or you know. 01:24:35
Aesthetically different than say, like Orem. 01:24:37
Kind of stand out a little bit different. You can do that as well, so. 01:24:41
Do you have thoughts? I don't love option 2. 01:24:49
I don't either. 01:24:53
Basic sorry. 01:24:54
Well, I'm fine. 01:24:56
Axing that one. 01:24:58
Well, and also as I was sitting here, we were talking about. 01:25:00
Multimodal. 01:25:04
Ways of getting around? I don't have any symbols other than a bike. 01:25:08
I don't know if that's a problem for you, I've seen other. 01:25:12
Actually, if you look at the option 6:00, they have a person walking right. 01:25:14
And I didn't put any other. 01:25:18
Icons on there purely just to not. 01:25:21
We can do that. I just didn't so. 01:25:24
So again, if we had a solid solidified style guide. 01:25:29
Then you could just be like actually dude, go to page 6. 01:25:33
You're not following our style guide at all. 01:25:36
So yeah, again, down the road if you guys need help with that, I have extensive experience with multiple cities of. 01:25:39
Creating that. So Anthony, is that something that we could? 01:25:46
Have staff send over to them the whatever communication style guide we've got. 01:25:49
I know that option 6 essentially exists. It does, yeah. 01:25:53
I want to be. 01:25:58
Thoughtful around. 01:25:59
Making sure. 01:26:01
I don't care how good a sign looks, if it mismatches other places in the city, that's the worst, right? So I, I would want to make 01:26:02
sure that, yeah, it's just a cohesive strategy, especially moving forward with Utah City, right? I think that we're not changing. 01:26:07
Yeah. Our our goal with this whole being hired is to give you standards that you can basically, essentially do yourself. You don't 01:26:12
need to. 01:26:17
Rewrite it or yeah. 01:26:23
And I'm a different opinion from other people, but I am. 01:26:25
Very much in support of having Vineyard branding in Utah City, not Utah City branding, so I agree. I like your logo too, by the 01:26:29
way. It's very clever. 01:26:34
Just ripped it off for him. I know what you did. 01:26:39
I see what you got. 01:26:41
Be fine recommending that we adopt the. 01:26:45
The family bike as part of our good style guide yeah, I think that's what I want to discuss first was the iconography of that. Do 01:26:48
you like that idea? I ripped this off from Salt Lake. They've got this on their new trails and. 01:26:55
It seems to be I know in probe. I live in Provo so. 01:27:02
We're actually fighting this right now because. 01:27:05
You guys are great. 01:27:08
I feel like something like that. 01:27:11
Where we have the. 01:27:12
The consistent. 01:27:15
I don't know the words messaging, consistent messaging. 01:27:18
The style of it in with everybody else and what they're doing and if the unique thing is that we do the family bikes and yeah, 01:27:22
that's great. 01:27:25
Cool. OK. 01:27:29
So we can agree on that. Is there any particular shape? 01:27:30
Do we want to get creative again? I don't know your budget. I don't know how much it costs to actually do a cut out like that, so 01:27:35
I'm not going to. 01:27:38
Pretend no. 01:27:42
I think it's. 01:27:43
Safe to say. 01:27:44
That we don't have unlimited budget. 01:27:46
If that's the case, I would probably stay away from number one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Pretty, pretty standard, I think is fine knowing 01:27:50
that things can get stolen, damaged that are for sure to replace. 01:27:54
Honestly, like just a quick look. 01:27:59
Like 6-4 and three feel like they fit in the most with what we've already got going on. That doesn't mean it has to continue that 01:28:01
way, but. 01:28:05
Those are those tend. 01:28:08
Kind of aligned with the color scheme and things that we've got throughout the city already. 01:28:10
Those are my initial thoughts. Again, do you notice the different colors that I did choose we can change like let's say four and 01:28:14
three. I changed the color to actually reflect the logo, right? 01:28:20
That would probably be better in my opinion, but. 01:28:25
Again, I did that for contrast sake, so. 01:28:28
I do like the deeper blue, but I mean. 01:28:31
I know I don't mean it. I'm just I'm pushing you guys into a modern era guys. You guys when you tell city comes around, you guys 01:28:34
gonna look hot. But what essentially what I think we can do as as a group is. 01:28:39
Make recommendations, even if it's not just one and say here's some options that we're OK with perfect and the council can make a 01:28:44
decision. Wonderful. Is there anything else you need for me? 01:28:48
So maybe. 01:28:53
So maybe look at something like this but put are you talking about #6? 01:28:55
OK. 01:29:00
Throw in the iconography, what about the arrows as well? Do you notice the difference in arrows? Do you like the contrast of 01:29:02
arrows on the more? 01:29:06
I think 6 and 2 are the only different type of arrows, but the rest are. 01:29:11
Kind of a more modern. 01:29:16
More contrasty. 01:29:18
You got to really pitch them right. What do you guys think? 01:29:21
Should we? Should we take a vote? OK. 01:29:24
Oh, she's not here yet. Get out here. Go. Go bake some bread. Or what are you doing? 01:29:27
Because you're Baker. You're literally a Baker. Oh my gosh. 01:29:33
You guys OK. 01:29:35
Not not not real passionate one way or another on the arrows. Honestly, I'm OK, that's not my area of. 01:29:39
Expertise or nitpick or passion? 01:29:45
I love the idea of just being able to highlight the. 01:29:48
The locations of different things, like where's the nearest restroom? Where's. 01:29:52
Where's this park you would be, you would be shocked at how more difficult it is than that. Just just based on the locations, what 01:29:57
what amenities and what, you know, different parks, like how do we prioritize parks, right? Is it a bigger park or is it a. 01:30:03
So anyways, it's just. 01:30:10
Going down the rabbit hole of wayfinding, it's kind of crazy to me so. 01:30:11
Yeah, I mean, I'd say. 01:30:15
3:00 and 4:00. 01:30:16
Our favorites line. 01:30:18
And willing to concede Essex. 01:30:21
OK, how about I will send you individual. 01:30:23
Pieces of artwork for 3-4 and six. You guys kidding? That works for me. OK. 01:30:27
OK, great. Thank you so much. Appreciate your time. 01:30:32
Thank you. 01:30:34
I do expect this to be so in Mexico City. The subway. The iconography for Mexico City subway is phenomenal. 01:30:37
Do you have a picture? 01:30:45
It's incredible, each subway. 01:30:46
Hat Station has its own. 01:30:48
Symbol and like. 01:30:51
Each of our parks needs a little. Well, I'm gonna. 01:30:53
Going to get on my soapbox here for a minute. 01:30:57
It was designed for. 01:30:59
People who? 01:31:01
Obviously live in Mexico City but in also surrounding areas. 01:31:04
Where the? 01:31:09
Primary language spoken isn't Spanish, but is native language. 01:31:10
Nawatal or mine or whatever. 01:31:15
And so the. 01:31:18
The goal was to say, well, we want something that's recognizable by name, but we also want that name to be recognizable by a 01:31:20
symbol also. So if you don't speak Spanish. 01:31:24
Then you know. 01:31:28
The distinct symbol and it's easy to recognize and easy to remember. So that's the expectation that I have. 01:31:31
Her. 01:31:37
OK. 01:31:43
Next. 01:31:45
Any staff or Commission reports? 01:31:46
Sponsor sponsorship opportunities. 01:31:50
OK. 01:31:52
Well, I just want to thank you first of all for sticking around this long. We don't usually take this time. 01:32:01
We try to get. 01:32:08
Out of here by 7. 01:32:09
So, uh. 01:32:10
You're sure to be. 01:32:13
Here shorter than this next time you're. 01:32:16
You're here for a meeting, so. 01:32:19
I encourage you to keep coming. 01:32:20
So while this loads. 01:32:24
This section here is not going to be one that we need to make a decision right away. 01:32:26
But it will be an opportunity to introduce some things that needs to be done in the background. 01:32:30
While we continue to brand. 01:32:36
You know our ATC. 01:32:38
And also grow as a city. 01:32:40
So. 01:32:43
Give it a minute. 01:32:48
Right. So I'll talk about some sponsorship opportunities that we have. 01:32:53
Oh, we need to take advantage of. 01:32:58
As a Commission. 01:33:00
Just give it a second. 01:33:05
The irony. 01:33:36
Let Internet piece out. 01:33:40
Anthony, who's the target? 01:34:07
Audience for the sponsorship opportunities at local businesses. Yeah, OK. 01:34:09
Local businesses. 01:34:14
And we can go outside of local businesses as well. 01:34:16
And one of the things we want to do. 01:34:19
While this is trying to restart itself is. 01:34:22
I want to start from. 01:34:25
The sponsorship needs. 01:34:28
There's so many needs that we have. 01:34:32
As a Commission, but. 01:34:34
Has not been fully outlined. 01:34:36
Yet. 01:34:38
So. 01:35:00
Want to be able to start talking about? 01:35:06
Various needs that we have. 01:35:10
As a Commission. 01:35:12
And. 01:35:14
How we can effectively bring the Community together under the Active Transportation Commission. 01:35:16
And how much it's going to cost to do all these things. So that's going to be one of the first things that we need to start 01:35:21
talking about. 01:35:25
Making very clear goals and needs. 01:35:28
By our Commission, right? And once that's done? 01:35:31
We're going to be able to pitch it out to. 01:35:36
Other companies and people that might be interested in this same. 01:35:39
Number of things that we need to get done in our city. 01:35:45
And before we even get started on going out to ask for money from anybody, we need to be well branded, right? We don't even have a 01:35:48
logo. 01:35:52
And we have some markups that I wanted to show as well my computer. 01:35:56
Unfortunately decided not to work. 01:36:01
The graphic designer just sat up straight when you said we didn't have a logo. 01:36:04
So we just. 01:36:12
Kind of have something little here that. 01:36:14
We wanted to share. 01:36:19
And pick some ideas that you might have in getting the logo in place. So even before this starts, this you know. 01:36:28
Comes up. I'll show you that. 01:36:35
Umm, the third thing I wanted to talk about is. 01:36:37
The opportunity for us to also sponsor. 01:36:44
Some, you know good courses going on within the. 01:36:47
You know. 01:36:51
The area within the region, right? 01:36:52
It does a lot of things for us. It doesn't only allow us to be out there. 01:36:55
It also gives a lot more people. 01:37:00
An understanding of how well we're growing. 01:37:04
And how? 01:37:07
How beneficial is going to be for people to just come and invest in our city? 01:37:08
Right. 01:37:12
We've been approached by Bike Utah. 01:37:14
To sponsor. 01:37:16
One of their summits that's going to be happening sometime in August. We don't have to make a decision right now. 01:37:18
I shared the packets with you. 01:37:25
We have. 01:37:27
In our Budget $3000. 01:37:28
Spend, pretty much, but we can. 01:37:31
Technically spend about $800.00 on sponsorships on events. 01:37:34
And. 01:37:39
You know, little things outside of bike month. 01:37:40
Last year we did a clever thing by just pruning the activities of Bike Month and. 01:37:43
Literally. 01:37:49
A few activities that were really solid, a lot more involving everyone that made it to those activities had a lot of fun. 01:37:51
We're doing something like that and even better this time around. 01:37:59
And the whole idea. 01:38:02
For wanting to be able to sponsor. 01:38:06
Thing you know, activities and events. 01:38:09
The fact that we can also tell people about our events, not only about ATC. 01:38:12
But many other events happening in the city. 01:38:16
So the benefits goes beyond. 01:38:19
Just the ATC and being out there. 01:38:22
It's about Vineyard and. 01:38:25
You know, projecting the fact that it's a great place to be and live. 01:38:27
Unfortunately, my presentation is still not pulling up so I can share all these things. I can probably share in an e-mail. 01:38:32
Yeah, let's do that. 01:38:38
And the last thing I wanted to talk about. 01:38:40
Which is on my presentation. That's not showing up. 01:38:42
Is going to be. 01:38:45
An opportunity to. 01:38:48
Get some money for local projects and events. 01:38:51
The Arch Commission. 01:38:55
Has some grants available. 01:38:56
Up to I think 35. 01:38:59
$1000 this year. 01:39:02
To be allocated. 01:39:05
And this opens up in February. 01:39:07
For application. 01:39:09
So as a Commission, we could apply. 01:39:11
And possibly get all 35,000. 01:39:14
Apply with our own internal. 01:39:17
Arch Commission, is that what you're saying? Yep. OK. 01:39:19
We can and individuals can do that. It's meant to. 01:39:21
Be for projects. 01:39:25
That make Vineyard a better place. 01:39:27
So I want us to start thinking about it. 01:39:29
But before we even start this application. 01:39:33
I want to circle back on our needs because it's all going to be part of the sponsorship package that we want to. 01:39:35
Put together because a lot more businesses coming into the city. 01:39:40
And there's always a lot more out there that we can bring in. 01:39:44
If we prepare ourselves better. 01:39:48
Does there's money for us to spend? 01:39:52
And there's money to be gotten, so we need to plan for that as well. 01:39:54
That's all I have for now. 01:40:00
Thank you. 01:40:03
Thanks. 01:40:05
OK. All right, we'll move on to staff and Commission reports. 01:40:21
So we had put together. I can go first if you're OK with that. 01:40:27
We put together. 01:40:31
Calendar of. 01:40:34
Bike Month. 01:40:35
Activities. Ideas. 01:40:37
I'll send. 01:40:41
Does Anna have that? 01:40:44
Calendar still. 01:40:46
Oh, it's on there. Perfect. That'll be part of the e-mail. 01:40:47
Excellent. All right, perfect. 01:40:50
And then? 01:40:52
I maybe. 01:40:54
Informally have started adding. 01:40:57
Other activities so at the year that we can do. 01:41:00
Like back to. 01:41:04
School ride that we did this past August, which was great and all three of us enjoyed it. 01:41:06
And then? 01:41:13
Oh, right before Christmas we had a bike. The lights. 01:41:17
Event which was. 01:41:21
Not publicized very well or planned very well. 01:41:23
But next year is gonna be. 01:41:27
Even better. 01:41:28
So that would be. 01:41:31
Good to figure out how we can. 01:41:32
Just incrementally add. 01:41:35
And things to that. 01:41:37
That's yeah, that's pretty much it. 01:41:39
Not really a report but more of a question on the 400 S. 01:41:43
Extension into holdaway fields. 01:41:51
I was wondering if. 01:41:54
Umm, it. 01:41:57
If I guess when that is programmed to be happening and if we can provide. 01:41:59
Comments or input on the design of that road? 01:42:05
When it. 01:42:10
Is happening or if we're too late to provide. 01:42:11
Comments on that? 01:42:17
Sorry I don't have a mic over there but. 01:42:33
Yeah, I don't know if you want me to wait till after, but yeah. So missing the door for the works director as the engineer. 01:42:35
Not bigger. 01:42:43
I am, yes, I am the bread eater. 01:42:47
But. 01:42:52
Yeah. Specifically about 400 S on that. The timing on that is tied to the developing agreement. 01:42:53
And I think, correct me if I'm wrong, but it's on the. 01:42:58
Issuance of the first certificate of occupancy of the second phase of. 01:43:02
Hallway fields if I'm not mistaken. 01:43:07
Which doesn't provide a actual date. 01:43:10
To it, but it's. 01:43:13
It's a. It's a condition. 01:43:15
On that, obviously the success of the developer on selling homes obsolete leads to the success for the city. 01:43:17
You know, we want that win, win situation across the board. 01:43:23
So that kind of addresses the timing portion of it. 01:43:26
I believe if you want to get a better understanding of like. 01:43:30
The developer's anticipation Anthony could probably follow up with you all that one specifically, but in regards to this foreigner 01:43:34
South. 01:43:37
The design on it, so it's more of a preliminary design that's been. 01:43:41
Done and sure to because we entered into a. 01:43:44
What they call a betterment agreement with the developer. 01:43:48
For share costs. 01:43:52
On that specifically, so the cross section itself. 01:43:54
Has been determined in order to come up with that betterment agreement. 01:43:57
But it's more of a preliminary design, so. 01:44:01
Again, there are opportunities when that does get presented and could come through. 01:44:04
For, you know, staff to involve. 01:44:09
The stakeholders as necessary. 01:44:11
I believe. 01:44:15
From when we first. 01:44:17
Had, I think when we first did deployment design, it was mainly just to get something on paper so we can enter into that contract 01:44:19
agreement. 01:44:23
Developer, but I obviously. 01:44:27
We recognize that things change and needs change and so forth. 01:44:29
So we always want to make sure until concrete is in the ground and asphalt is paved and so forth. 01:44:33
We want to make sure that we provide that the opportunities for. 01:44:38
For that flexibility. 01:44:40
For example. 01:44:42
I think since the development agreement. 01:44:44
And to present day. 01:44:46
Or I'm saying we've had several talks with Arm City to include. 01:44:49
Today. 01:44:52
Over there, engineers. 01:44:53
In regards to Orms desire to. 01:44:55
Improve the. 01:44:57
Improve. 01:45:01
The bikeability, walkability of the session leading up to Lakeside Park. 01:45:03
And of course, Vineyard City is going to have. 01:45:07
Several parks. 01:45:11
West of that. 01:45:12
Going into Holloway fields and. 01:45:13
The you know, the common sense and you know, don't report me to the engineering society. 01:45:15
About that, actually, I go there tomorrow. 01:45:21
For a conference, but you know, they might kick me out, but the common sense would provide to ensure that we. 01:45:23
Are able to flex and match that so we can provide a uniform. 01:45:29
Type connectivity. 01:45:35
On that long answer to your short question. 01:45:36
No, that's great. So you're saying? 01:45:39
The existing portions of 400 S. 01:45:41
We are planning to change the design of that. I'm going to say change it, but we're, I mean we have the opportunity to make 01:45:45
revisions and. 01:45:49
And get feedback and inputs. 01:45:53
When the one portion on it is. 01:45:55
Excuse me, the. 01:46:01
Church building that's going up on the corner of. 01:46:02
400 S and. 01:46:05
Main Street. There we go. Sorry. 01:46:08
On that and that's a small session, so. 01:46:09
They're going to be need to put in their Rd. section in order to provide connectivity. 01:46:12
For access. 01:46:16
Portion of it. 01:46:18
Might, but by no means is that, like I said, in stone. 01:46:19
In terms of that, that's like a short section. 01:46:23
On there where the. 01:46:26
Developers placing. 01:46:27
Pedestrian flashers in the roundabouts. 01:46:30
Soon, let's see when they get, I mean, they, I know they've been ordered. We have some discussions on that. 01:46:34
So we'll be able to make those accommodations to. 01:46:38
Make that Feng shui. 01:46:42
Happened across board. 01:46:44
Yeah, cool. 01:46:47
Yeah, thank you. No problem. 01:46:50
And again, by all means, like I said, if you want to reach out to Anthony, we can. 01:46:51
If you there's specific information you want to get and. 01:46:56
It's never too early. Start talking to the developer. 01:46:59
To about. 01:47:03
Needs and desires and so forth. So this way when they do. 01:47:05
Come to the table with this. 01:47:08
What we're presenting our plan with. 01:47:11
You know, then we kind of get ahead of that talking board, that board, so. 01:47:13
So it sounds like the width of the cross section of that road is set, is set. Yeah, it's it's meant to, it's their, their cross 01:47:17
section is meant to match the existing cross section of foreigner S Yeah. So what we actually do with that space? 01:47:24
Still change or? Yeah, I mean it just has to be compatible with. 01:47:32
The transportation master plan, like our numbers and so forth, we just want to make sure things are compatible. 01:47:40
On that and as well as. 01:47:44
Ensuring that. 01:47:48
You know that. 01:47:50
I guess we balance out the needs of all the users on the road. 01:47:53
I mean whoever, whoever they may be. 01:47:56
On that. So I mean, if you're asking like, you know, could we? 01:47:58
Change the change the striving in order to. 01:48:01
At the pedestrian. 01:48:04
Lane or bike lanes or? 01:48:07
Moped lanes or. 01:48:09
Go Kart lanes. The answer is always as an engineer. 01:48:11
We start off with my answer. Well, it depends on the situation. 01:48:14
And then it depends on. 01:48:17
Depends on the direction of the community of course. 01:48:20
Yeah, yeah. I feel like I'm getting long winded here, but just my motivation here is I think the cross section of the road is. 01:48:23
Is 42 feet. 01:48:31
And. 01:48:32
I, like most other people in Vineyard, live next to a 40 foot 42 foot Rd. that. 01:48:34
Has a sign that says 25 miles an hour. 01:48:42
And like I presented last time. 01:48:45
Most people do not drive 25 miles an hour. 01:48:48
Umm, it. 01:48:52
Yeah, yeah. So, yeah. So I mean. 01:48:53
Which is good, yeah. 01:48:56
And there's all yeah, there's always have brought my dating again. 01:48:58
So the 42 foot Rd. near my house. 01:49:00
Curve to curb. 01:49:06
There's plenty of people going 50 miles an hour on that road. 01:49:08
Yeah, it's unfortunate that especially like snowy conditions when like for example, Saturday and so forth. 01:49:11
Yeah, that's, you know, drive to the conditions. 01:49:17
Unfortunately. 01:49:20
I mean definitely not vineyard then definitely rather you should be able to drive faster on but. 01:49:22
I-15, I think we as all just this weekend, that's all three car accidents. One of them actually ran off the road, down the 01:49:26
embankment into the ditch. 01:49:30
Unfortunately. But yeah, I assume that we're not. 01:49:34
We're not going to. 01:49:37
Perpetuate. 01:49:41
Those conditions. 01:49:42
On this new road, but if there's anything that our Commission can do to help. 01:49:44
Prevent that. 01:49:48
We would love to. 01:49:51
Engage with that. Oh yeah, definitely. Like I said, I mean, Anthony is your single source of, you know, information. And I think, 01:49:52
like I said. 01:49:55
The more the more feedback that we. 01:50:00
From uh. 01:50:03
From actually the people actually using the roads and so forth. 01:50:04
The better offer we're at. 01:50:07
Great. Thank you. 01:50:09
Thanks for coming and staying the whole time too. 01:50:12
Thanks Sassim. 01:50:15
I just had two quick things. One is I attended the Utah Trail Network meeting. 01:50:17
That took place earlier this month. It was a virtual and in person meeting. 01:50:22
With a bunch of different entities and there'll be more information from Bike Utah and Mag that come out on that. 01:50:27
Which leads me to my next thing are. 01:50:32
Our trail map that is currently on our. 01:50:35
City website just celebrated its 14th anniversary and I. 01:50:38
So probably in need of an update. 01:50:43
And that's not one that we would look to another entity for. That's completely on us to update so. 01:50:47
Anthony, I'd love to. I'm happy to. 01:50:53
Work with somebody on that. 01:50:56
But it does need to be updated. It's got, yeah, it's 2008 plans, so. 01:50:59
Pretty outdated and I think there's some good things that we can share there and. 01:51:04
Maybe if we set a goal to. 01:51:08
Maybe make that one of the key? 01:51:10
Deliverables before bike month or something like that I think would be good. But yeah, happy to happy to take that on with you. 01:51:12
That's it. 01:51:22
Awesome. All right. 01:51:23
Go for it. 01:51:27
No. 01:51:29
No, I don't. 01:51:31
Go for it. 01:51:32
Sorry I didn't want to cut in, but definitely. 01:51:34
Anthony, I'll jump on top of that GIS stuff. 01:51:38
So. 01:51:41
It's a staff update. 01:51:44
Are you just real quick? I won't go on to all the. 01:51:46
All the moving parts in the in the city and. 01:51:52
Department, especially public works and engineering. 01:51:54
Never public works. 01:51:58
Always like to emphasize we work. 01:52:00
But the big probably some of the key things for specifically for the active Transportation Committee. 01:52:03
Just wanted to give updates on we did a kickoff meeting on several types of projects. 01:52:09
One being the London Heritage Trail. 01:52:14
Which connects. 01:52:16
The Canyon all the way down to. 01:52:18
Utah Lake at Vineyard City, they did a kickoff meeting on that. It's a. 01:52:21
Linda It's called Linden Heritage Trail. 01:52:27
They were the main, I guess initial sponsors back in the day. 01:52:29
Before, Anthony was here to make sure it was called Vineyard Heritage Trail. 01:52:34
But that be coming through 1600 N. 01:52:38
Area umm. 01:52:42
Connecting to the Marina. 01:52:43
So that's the veneer city part of that so that they kick off. 01:52:45
The other day last week I believe. 01:52:50
So timelines and so forth will be up and coming, but that and you dot. That's a U dot. 01:52:53
Is managing that project since it's getting federal money. 01:52:59
On that, so the other. 01:53:01
Kickoff meetings that we've had or the kickoff meeting for the. 01:53:04
This is a vineyard, the project, so I'll call it the Vineyard. 01:53:08
Trail connectivity enhancement. 01:53:12
Which is the which provides trail connectivity north-south. 01:53:14
I believe we talked about a couple times before. 01:53:19
It's going to enhance the. 01:53:21
Is going to enhance the. 01:53:25
Pedestrian. 01:53:28
Crosswalk at Center Street, right in front of Gammon Park. 01:53:29
We currently have a flasher there with a medium. 01:53:33
But enhance it with a hawk system which is a. 01:53:36
Hawk is. 01:53:39
Just as you know, engineers have to have fancy acronyms for stuff that makes us feel cool, but it's really just a high intensity 01:53:41
light. 01:53:45
To make sure people actually. 01:53:48
See it? 01:53:50
So most of the time you see them overhead. 01:53:51
On that, the other and then but also provide that connectivity of the trail. 01:53:54
And to the other trails currently when you crossover it. 01:53:58
It dies into gravel. 01:54:01
So the money is going to plan on. 01:54:03
Connecting into the Gammon Park. 01:54:06
Trail and potentially. 01:54:08
You know, provides pedestrian access onto Holloway Rd. as well. 01:54:10
So but that also with that project is the 400 S by Lakeview. 01:54:14
Park, Lakeside Park. 01:54:21
Yeah, like Side Park. 01:54:24
It's going to. 01:54:27
Improve that intersection. 01:54:29
Improving the. 01:54:32
Driveway exit or the driveway into the park will be realigned to be. 01:54:34
Nice and. 01:54:40
Perpendicular to the other. 01:54:42
Intersection. 01:54:43
Which? 01:54:45
Allows for drivers to be less distracted when they're trying to. 01:54:46
Make turns. 01:54:50
And then possibly we're also looking to enhancements of lighting, some signalized lights and so forth at that section, so. 01:54:51
We had kickoff and that's in conjunction partnership with Arm City. 01:54:59
Doing those as well, so I just wanted. 01:55:04
Those are the. Those are two and then. 01:55:06
U dot this is a UDOT initiated and lab project of. 01:55:09
They started. 01:55:14
Moving forward on the design. 01:55:15
For 800 N. 01:55:17
Which is Vineyard Connectors trail. 01:55:19
Which will go along the north side of Vineyard Connector. 01:55:22
From. 01:55:25
For vineyards specifically, connect all the way from Geneva. 01:55:28
And follow the Vineyard connector. 01:55:31
Kind of looping up. 01:55:33
And to the downtown area to go over the. 01:55:35
Future Vineyard Connector Overpass Bridge. 01:55:38
And and connecting to the. 01:55:41
Portion of that. So that's in design. 01:55:43
And then construction will happen after the designs are done. So I would expect it in the year. 01:55:46
Maybe or two depending on designs. 01:55:51
So those are those are the big key projects that are coming up that are specifically towards the active transportation. 01:55:55
Awesome, thanks for all the updates. It's really exciting to see all this come about. 01:56:02
OK. Definitely. I'll call. I'll definitely have to thank our planners to help push those things along. 01:56:08
All right. 01:56:17
How do we close this? 01:56:19
If there's nothing else. 01:56:21
All right. We'll adjourn the meeting. 01:56:23
Thank you. Thanks everyone for coming. 01:56:27
There we go. 01:56:31
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Event transcript
PM Welcome to the active Transportation Commission meeting. 00:00:00
We'll start off. 00:00:07
With sorry guys, this is my first time. 00:00:08
So today on the agenda, we've got presentations including our civic clerk training. 00:00:14
By recorder. 00:00:22
Pamela Spencer and she'll train us. Train the ATC on the Civic Clerk Portal. 00:00:24
And then after that, we will go over any public comments. 00:00:31
And we'll also have a presentation by author Diane. 00:00:37
Elisa, author of Love Letter to Suburbia. How to Restore the American. 00:00:42
Village. 00:00:48
And then followed by approval of minutes, consent items, business items. 00:00:49
Staff and Commission reports and adjournment. 00:00:58
All right, Pamela. 00:01:01
The time is yours. 00:01:03
Sorry, I did this training in the. 00:01:12
Planning Commission. And so Anthony asked me if I would do it for you guys. You should have received an e-mail today. I have two 00:01:13
e-mail addresses for you. 00:01:18
So I think the Martina dot. 00:01:23
Or Huntington 1 is. 00:01:25
The one that I put on your account. 00:01:28
OK perfect. I was meant to e-mail you that and I forgot. 00:01:30
Thank you. 00:01:32
So much going on. 00:01:34
But anyway, I promise to keep this short and sweet. Maybe 5 minutes Max, right? I just want you guys. 00:01:34
To understand and utilize. 00:01:40
Our board portal. 00:01:42
We have a public portal which is the public facing side where we post the agendas. 00:01:44
But we also post them in the board portal. 00:01:48
And you'll need to go. 00:01:51
And you'll click on your name. 00:01:53
When you first login, it may ask you to create a password if you haven't yet. If you don't have one on the public side, then it 00:01:56
will ask you to create a password and stuff. 00:01:59
And then you're going to go to your e-mail preferences. 00:02:03
And you're going to make sure this box is clicked. 00:02:06
And you're going to click Save. 00:02:09
Some people have access to more than one. 00:02:11
Board and so there'd be more than one there, but just make sure that's clicked. 00:02:14
Hit Save. 00:02:18
And then? 00:02:19
OK, what did I do? 00:02:22
OK. And then you'll be able to access. 00:02:25
The agendas in a. 00:02:28
Different way than just the PDF that's on the public side. 00:02:29
And the things you can do about it, you can click around it and. 00:02:33
But the things I wanted you to see. 00:02:36
Is that you can actually take notes which are private. 00:02:38
Notes are not subject to a records request, so please don't be sharing your notes with. 00:02:41
Anybody other than your Commission members? 00:02:46
So you're welcome to write notes before the meeting so that you know what you want to talk about. 00:02:51
You're welcome to write notes during the meeting. They're all yours. OK, so you can go over here. 00:02:56
To notes. 00:03:02
You can see which ones you've written notes on. I was playing with them the other day so. 00:03:03
That's why it looks like there's some in there. 00:03:09
There's really not. 00:03:11
I was just typing. 00:03:13
Yeah. But anyway, so those are the things you can do. You can actually, if there's minutes in there, you can go in and access the 00:03:16
minutes this way. 00:03:19
You can see that I put them in there, I just don't publish them. 00:03:23
I mean, I don't e-mail them out. 00:03:26
To everybody, because. 00:03:28
People don't want 1000 emails. 00:03:30
So that's what we do. 00:03:32
That's my dashboard, huh? You like my dashboard? 00:03:35
It's great. 00:03:38
But you can just go around. You can look at the packets as well. 00:03:39
Let me see if I can get it to go back. 00:03:43
What something else is nice? You can actually look at the full packet. 00:03:47
And look at all the attachments while you're in the meeting. 00:03:51
And be able to. 00:03:55
Have everything accessible. 00:03:56
That you. 00:03:58
May ever want for the meeting. 00:03:59
Right. 00:04:01
So, umm. 00:04:02
Just a lot of things. 00:04:05
Occasionally like. 00:04:07
I mean, I don't know that there'd ever be anything confidential for you guys that would go in there, but that's where you would 00:04:09
access it if there is. 00:04:12
You know, maybe a draft of a flyer or something you guys are putting together and you don't want it out to the public till it's 00:04:16
put together. 00:04:19
Because that. 00:04:22
When you get hand up drafts of things it can cause creep. 00:04:23
Create confusion. 00:04:26
For people. 00:04:28
And so that's why we don't give out drafts. They're not a record. 00:04:29
Until you have a final. 00:04:32
Unless you use that draft for some. 00:04:34
To rely on things you're doing. 00:04:37
So drafts, notes, they're all. 00:04:39
Private and not subject to records requests. 00:04:41
So do you have any questions about getting into this and about working in it and about utilizing it? 00:04:44
For your meetings. 00:04:49
Any questions at all on that? 00:04:52
Told you short and sweet. 00:04:54
But it's just another Ave. for you guys. This is this is where you're going to get your agendas. 00:04:56
So you need to get logged in so that you receive those emails when Anthony. 00:05:02
Publishes those agendas in the packets. 00:05:06
Because that's where you're gonna get the notification. 00:05:09
Hey look, I have a meeting. 00:05:11
So if the if the public has subscribed to the meetings to get agenda notifications, that goes through this system as well, it goes 00:05:13
through the public portal OK, which? 00:05:18
You guys have seen that? 00:05:25
Public portal. 00:05:27
Public portal maybe? 00:05:31
So there's all kinds of things you can do in the public portal as well. You can filter so you're just getting. 00:05:34
Specific meetings. 00:05:39
Where you can go dates it goes clear back to 2014 I believe. 00:05:41
It looks like it goes further, but trust me, it doesn't. 00:05:47
You're going to find that there's there's, they're going to tell you there's nothing there. 00:05:50
See, there's no events. 00:05:56
So there's lots of things for the public that are here. 00:05:58
Things you can do. 00:06:03
Create your login. 00:06:04
If you haven't. 00:06:07
Go through your e-mail subscription. You guys could do the same thing. You've got the login. 00:06:08
Go in and if you want to see what City Council and Planning Commission or the RDA is doing or another board or Commission that's 00:06:12
going on. 00:06:16
Click on those e-mail preferences and you'll get those every time they publish their agendas. So it's a great program. It's saving 00:06:20
me. 00:06:23
Many hours we figured out that. 00:06:27
I could spend up to 16 hours on one City Council agenda. 00:06:30
So probably not as long for a. 00:06:34
For the ATC agenda. 00:06:36
But just so you know that, I mean, it's saving us hours and we can move things around if we need to bump them to a different 00:06:39
meeting. 00:06:42
It's click of a couple buttons, so it's. 00:06:46
Really nice SO. 00:06:49
Anyway, so you've got all kinds of options. That's the public side. 00:06:51
This is the board side. 00:06:54
You just get to take notes and do some. 00:06:56
Some other things in there. 00:06:58
That this should take you to the media. 00:07:01
No results, OK, We haven't. We don't have the law. 00:07:05
Recordings. 00:07:11
Well, we don't have the link to suite 1 in the agenda packet right now, so. 00:07:13
But in the agenda itself, let me show you something if people don't know this already. 00:07:19
If you go to the agenda. 00:07:24
It'll actually take you to it. 00:07:26
But it takes you to the full. 00:07:29
Sweet 1. I don't know why it's not loading. 00:07:30
There we go. 00:07:33
So we'll take you to all the meetings that are. 00:07:34
Current or upcoming? 00:07:36
For the next little while. 00:07:38
Not that there's stuff in for all of them, but you'll at least know I just published the RDA in the City Council. 00:07:39
Before he ran down here. 00:07:46
So, so those are, you can see those are things in here. We'll get this updated. 00:07:47
If you don't know anything about Sweet One, it's pretty cool. 00:07:52
Real quick, so I'm going to take another minute because I'd love to promote Sweet One as well. 00:07:56
So when you go to suite 1. 00:08:02
And the meetings live streaming live, which like I said, you don't have it right now. 00:08:04
We usually upload the agenda and the agenda packet. 00:08:10
And then you'll get a transcription as well. 00:08:13
They've added that service for us. 00:08:16
Let me see. 00:08:19
See, right now you just have the transcription. 00:08:23
But we'll get. 00:08:26
Jim and the packet loaded. 00:08:27
Pretty quick here. 00:08:31
And get that done. So you guys have access to that too. So you got it in more than one place. 00:08:32
So. 00:08:37
You should be able to find it somewhere. 00:08:38
When you need it OK. 00:08:41
Are there any questions? Are the are the notes are we able to like have a shared note if we wanted to plan something or not that 00:08:42
I'm aware of. I just they're just your notes, but it would be good if you had. 00:08:48
Something big coming up, you know that. 00:08:55
Active transportation plans say, I think that's is that that's done right. 00:08:57
Anyway, so you guys could have made a whole bunch of notes inside of there that you could have talked about when that came to your 00:09:01
meeting or whatever? 00:09:04
So those are some pretty cool features that we've got available now. 00:09:08
And more than. 00:09:11
Many ways you can find the agenda. It's also on the Utah Public Notice website, Which. 00:09:12
We won't talk about. 00:09:17
OK. Any more questions any? 00:09:23
OK. Thank you. 00:09:24
Thanks, Pam. You're welcome. Appreciate your time. You're welcome. 00:09:26
Remind me of click share to go off. It loves to hang around on my computer. 00:09:29
It was still working the other day. I closed everything. 00:09:35
So these guys can use. 00:09:39
Work No. 00:09:42
I've had it display stuff and not be plugged in. 00:09:45
So anyway. 00:09:49
OK, now my computer is frozen. 00:09:50
Oh, sorry guys. 00:09:55
You're good. 00:09:57
Is it OK if I go ahead and introduce the next section? 00:10:00
All right, the next section is dedicated to public comments, so this time is dedicated for the. 00:10:03
Public, umm. 00:10:09
And comments are limited to three minutes. 00:10:11
Do we have any? 00:10:15
Anyone from the public who'd like to? 00:10:16
Highlight anything. 00:10:20
OK. 00:10:24
All right, then we will turn the time over to Diana Lisa. 00:10:26
And Jordan will introduce Diane. 00:10:31
Yeah, well, she's getting set up. I I'm going to let her introduce herself. 00:10:34
Better, but I will introduce why. 00:10:39
We invited her here, so I read her book. 00:10:41
Very recently and. 00:10:44
Found it to be a very compelling. 00:10:47
Overview of some of the issues that. 00:10:50
Are maybe default North American development pattern creates for. 00:10:54
For families, great score. 00:11:03
Many aspects in. 00:11:05
In society. 00:11:07
And also a great how to guide of how we can. 00:11:09
Take quick and easy steps to rectify those problems. 00:11:14
So welcome, thank you for being here. 00:11:18
Do we need a mic for? 00:11:23
I don't. 00:11:33
Yeah, that's that's great too. 00:11:34
Yeah, this is. It should be, hopefully. 00:11:37
Yeah. 00:11:53
Oh, is there an app that needs to be downloaded? 00:11:55
Oh yeah. 00:12:03
So my name is Diane Lisa. 00:12:26
And I wrote a lot of. 00:12:29
American Village. 00:12:33
I am not an urbanist or an urban planner. I graduated from BYU in acting. 00:12:34
And I independently studied this for the last couple years. We started an organization called NCAR dependency in Utah. 00:12:41
People around me. 00:12:52
Didn't quite have the same vision and it. 00:12:54
And so I wrote this book for the. 00:12:59
In my life that. 00:13:03
And I'm from this class of people. 00:13:06
I brought them. 00:13:09
That I think that they value. 00:13:12
And why? 00:13:14
Villages. 00:13:16
Would be farm. 00:13:17
More beneficial to them than. 00:13:19
Suburbia. 00:13:22
And I. 00:13:23
Really hone down on this after I became. 00:13:25
A mother, I realized. 00:13:28
What situation I had been put in, I was. 00:13:32
Very alone and the environment that I was in was not conducive for raising children and so. 00:13:35
I realized I needed that village support. 00:13:40
And you have to actually build them. They don't just manufacture on their own. 00:13:43
I think a lot of people in Utah kind of get away with it because they have very strong social networks. 00:13:50
But. 00:13:55
When those disappear. 00:13:57
Families end up suffering. 00:13:58
A lot, and so do their children. 00:14:00
The first thing I'll mention. 00:14:04
Is. 00:14:06
We'll just start with the American dream that we have this idea of the American Dream, I think. 00:14:07
Extremely patriotic. 00:14:13
That suburbia, The white picket fence. 00:14:15
The single family house. 00:14:18
Dad playing baseball with the kids on the weekends that that was. 00:14:21
That was the ideal, and it was. 00:14:25
Propagandized in the 1950s and it hasn't really gone away. 00:14:27
But the original American Dream. 00:14:32
Was James Adam Treslow and he said that it wasn't a dream of motor cars. 00:14:34
Or money. It was becoming the best version of yourself, unimpeded. You didn't have hierarchical things in your way you could. 00:14:39
Have an extremely fulfilling life and that doesn't necessarily mean that you were going to have a lot of money. 00:14:49
You could have a happy, fulfilling life without all of the consumerism. 00:14:54
And so that was the hope that I could. 00:14:58
Return to that original dream. 00:15:00
And. 00:15:04
Essentially. 00:15:05
That the American dream that we are heavily relying upon is actually. 00:15:07
Incredibly dysfunctional. 00:15:12
And. 00:15:15
Has caused major cultural wars within motherhood and feminism and. 00:15:16
What it means to have a family. 00:15:21
And. 00:15:23
And even just. 00:15:27
Even with gender and race, all of it was really connected to not having localized communities anymore. 00:15:28
So my book is. 00:15:35
Is set up in 4 sections, but the heart of it is that. 00:15:37
Walkability. 00:15:42
Is the core. 00:15:43
Of human society. 00:15:46
If you don't have walkability as the bedrock. 00:15:47
Than almost everything else. 00:15:50
Starts to fail and fall apart. 00:15:54
Economies, politics, social networks, families. They must rely. 00:15:56
Unlockability. This is how all of human society has been built. 00:16:01
And there's a lot of conspiracy. I was dealing with this a lot when I was trying to help people be more walkable. There's just a 00:16:04
lot of conspiracy that. 00:16:08
Walkability is this extremely top down approach and that we're trying to steal people's freedom away by taking away their cars. 00:16:11
And it's really just. 00:16:19
All of that put aside, this is just the way that we've always built. 00:16:21
Before the 1950s. 00:16:25
For 70 years we've been doing something totally experimental. 00:16:26
And it is. 00:16:30
Set to actually fail. 00:16:31
Middle class if we continued on this route. 00:16:34
There will be no middle class. We're kind of looking towards a very elitist. 00:16:39
Feudalist system. 00:16:44
Where people don't get. 00:16:45
Anymore and they are extremely dependent on. 00:16:47
Transportation. 00:16:51
Variable like. They don't know if they can actually rely on it because they. 00:16:54
On their own 2 feet the entire system. 00:16:59
Has not been built for them. It has been built. 00:17:01
Or an inanimate object. 00:17:03
This card and help me. 00:17:05
And those things are great. 00:17:08
But you can't build the entire framework around things. 00:17:09
Around objects. 00:17:13
So the whole point of this book. 00:17:14
Thank you so much. 00:17:17
To reprioritize and say, OK, first we're building blockabilities. 00:17:19
1st That is the first priority of the first priority. 00:17:23
Then we can have everything back in, including cars. 00:17:27
So the first section is just things that people are bothered by. I don't really even think I need to talk about traffic very much, 00:17:30
but. 00:17:33
It's obviously getting worse. 00:17:37
In Utah, and you guys probably know how to, adding one more lane isn't going to do any good. But what I really wanted to talk 00:17:39
about. 00:17:43
These traffic scenarios. 00:17:48
Actually start to infiltrate. 00:17:50
Their own communities. So there's a neighborhood next to me in Saratoga Springs called Wander. 00:17:54
And all of these brand new families moved in. 00:18:01
And they thought that they were going to be in this. 00:18:03
Peaceful. 00:18:06
By the lake, but no the road in between. 00:18:07
The housing. 00:18:12
Parked in the pool which is supposed to be their center hub. 00:18:13
Where people go. 00:18:17
Is going to have probably 4 new lanes. 00:18:18
Right in that area. 00:18:21
And I would be extremely upset if that happened to me. 00:18:23
And this like, actually effects children too. Like it delays their development if they can't even walk across the road safely to 00:18:26
go. 00:18:29
Safely explore the park like this has huge. 00:18:32
Ramifications for families. 00:18:36
And then I had an experience with Lehigh. They're adding 2000 more units. 00:18:38
Density. 00:18:43
And almost every Lehigh resident that came to protest, it was like, you can't do this to us. 00:18:45
We were a rural town. Like, don't we get a say? 00:18:51
And then the units are probably going to add. 00:18:54
Around 4000 more cars into an infrastructure that's not even handling the traffic as it is. 00:18:58
And. 00:19:04
When I talk to them. 00:19:05
They completely dismissed the idea of walkability, but. 00:19:07
They care about traffic so badly, they just have no idea. 00:19:11
How to resolve it? 00:19:15
So my. 00:19:16
This was one of the first things that got me interested in urbanism. 00:19:19
Saratoga Springs became a. 00:19:23
Traffic trap I could not believe. 00:19:25
How much traffic had come into my very peaceful rural? 00:19:28
Town that was supposed to be invisible and hidden. 00:19:31
But there's really no escape from this type of infrastructure if you are solely. 00:19:34
Relying on cars. 00:19:39
So. 00:19:41
There is a way out of this. 00:19:43
But it has to be through diversified transportation and it has to be walkability. 00:19:44
First, then the housing problem. 00:19:49
Again, like people are like, why can't my kid afford a home? They. 00:19:52
The American Dream. They they got through college. They they got the degree. And yet. 00:19:56
Nothing is affordable and this is another. 00:20:02
Problem with suburban zoning like everything. 00:20:04
Is so completely regulated. 00:20:07
And the infrastructure required for car dependence for you are in a place where you are. 00:20:09
Reliant on a car? 00:20:14
Becomes too expensive. 00:20:15
The taxes can't handle it, the roads can't handle it, even though Eagle Mountain is adding a million new suburban units. 00:20:18
They're not going to change the road. 00:20:26
9 to 13 years. 00:20:28
And people can't believe it, like they can't even get out of their houses. 00:20:31
Because of the way that this. 00:20:35
Setup and so. 00:20:38
The housing affordability. 00:20:41
Is extremely problematic because people. 00:20:43
Walkability allows people to build houses that they need for the demand. 00:20:46
Because it doesn't depend on the infrastructure that the car. 00:20:51
Requires. 00:20:54
And, umm. 00:20:56
And then the other thing too is. 00:21:00
Because it's so regulated, they're like, you can't change anything about this division. We don't want anymore density because. 00:21:02
Density just brings terror. 00:21:07
To suburbanites, they don't want the traffic, they don't want the McDonald's next to them. Like every time you bring people to 00:21:10
people to neighborhoods in car dependent frameworks. 00:21:15
They're like slow down. I don't want anybody. 00:21:21
Here. 00:21:23
I've got it. I want the single family law. I want it as quiet as possible. And that's because. 00:21:24
Car dependence. 00:21:29
Makes it so that. 00:21:31
Chaos comes right into their neighborhood because of the infrastructure. There's two much reliance on cars. And So what happens is 00:21:34
there becomes an appreciating housing market. 00:21:39
And big corporations. 00:21:44
Start buying it because they know they have to do almost nothing for the housing market to go up. They're just making money. 00:21:46
And then they start renting it. 00:21:53
Perfect people. So then on top of everything else with housing becoming unaffordable. 00:21:55
The middle class can no longer even. 00:21:59
Own a home. 00:22:02
Anymore, it just gets bigger and bigger from the very top. 00:22:03
Down approach. 00:22:07
And people start losing. 00:22:09
Economic power. 00:22:10
Because of the way that things are set up. 00:22:12
And that leads me to corporate control. 00:22:15
The road systems. 00:22:18
And the zoning systems that value family, single family housing, which is? 00:22:20
Like it's a step process. 00:22:25
The single family house is the epitome. If you're in a condo or in a town home, you're just gonna start your home. 00:22:27
The goal is to get to that single family house. 00:22:32
And that makes it so that we don't have a free market. Everyone talks about us living in a free market right now. We are actually 00:22:35
not. The infrastructure is completely impeding us. 00:22:40
Because the roads will always favor Walmart. 00:22:47
If you're driving. 00:22:50
You're probably not going to see your grocer, your local grocer, and you're not going to want to go to them because. 00:22:52
Umm, the value system is entirely on price. 00:22:58
So if you know that Walmart is cheaper and the road is kind of leading you to Walmart, you're going to want probably 99% of the 00:23:03
time go to Walmart and Walmarts. 00:23:07
Those big corporations. 00:23:12
Decimate. 00:23:14
Local communities. 00:23:15
They steal their businesses. They make it incredibly difficult for the American people. 00:23:16
To have. 00:23:22
Their own businesses and this is a huge problem because. 00:23:24
These places become economically and politically tyrannical, if you notice. 00:23:27
This is just one example of. 00:23:32
Umm, you couldn't walk into a Walmart. 00:23:35
Without them insisting that you wear a mask. 00:23:37
And this was just like 1 instance of this happening but. 00:23:40
I can only see this type of behavior progressing as these huge monopoly corporations become even more. 00:23:44
And more powerful. 00:23:51
In communities. 00:23:52
Umm. And then it's also a problem. One because they're completely environmentally irresponsible. They don't care. 00:23:56
About. 00:24:03
Any type of plastic usage that they have or consumption. 00:24:04
They're willing to get the cheapest. 00:24:07
Price available. 00:24:10
But we stop having unique cities. 00:24:12
Everything starts to become homogenized. 00:24:14
If you just drive through Utah. 00:24:16
You're going to see a Starbucks and a Walmart and a McDonald's and a Chick-fil-A in almost every town. Like I know Provo has two 00:24:19
chick fil A's. 00:24:22
They just love Chick-fil-A. 00:24:26
And that. 00:24:29
That hurts the soul because you can't. Your neighbors aren't making bread anymore. 00:24:31
And. 00:24:36
They're not coming up with unique ice cream shops and they're not beautifying their. 00:24:37
Areas and. 00:24:42
Everything becomes really dull. 00:24:44
And we start seeking entertainment and meaning. 00:24:46
On online spaces instead of with. 00:24:51
Each other. Sicily has like big ramifications for not only economy but like the human experience. Are we experiencing places? 00:24:54
That are really lovely. 00:25:01
And local. 00:25:03
And are we? 00:25:04
Like walkability. 00:25:06
Makes it so that small businesses can thrive. 00:25:07
And if we don't have small businesses? 00:25:10
People. Really. 00:25:14
Miss out on making their own jewelry. 00:25:15
Company or shops? 00:25:19
So. 00:25:22
It's just a. 00:25:25
It's a sad. 00:25:27
Thing to watch us become totally over. 00:25:28
Consumed by these huge corporations that give. 00:25:32
Almost nothing back to us in return. 00:25:36
And then that just leads me to uglification, Like the more you design things around cars, the less it matters what anything looks 00:25:41
like on the outside. 00:25:45
When you go back in time, you can see these huge architectural wonders and traditional. 00:25:49
Looking buildings. And that's because people were actually outside doing things, walking around, rubbing shoulders with each 00:25:54
other. 00:25:57
And now it's like I have to get from point A to point B as fast as humanly possible, and so things just end up not being. 00:26:00
Very nice and the engineering required to make a Rd. 00:26:07
Right now the engineering standard is to something that kind of looks like this. This is called. 00:26:10
A strode and the reason why the strode looks like this is one because it has to get larger overtime because of induced demand. 00:26:16
And because. 00:26:23
You can't have complexity in an environment environment like this for safety reasons. 00:26:24
So if you return to walkability where you had really thin streets, where a car was going at a slow and steady pace through an 00:26:29
environment with a lot of people. 00:26:33
And you could have. 00:26:37
Architecture back and you can have murals back and you can have kids playing in splash pads and you can have statues and. 00:26:39
And you can have those beautiful trees on the side. 00:26:46
And it's everything's OK because. 00:26:50
The car is not going to get hit, but in a situation like this where a car is going. 00:26:52
Really fast through people downtown space, they're like, no. 00:26:56
We actually have to make things less complex. 00:27:00
So that nobody in the car. 00:27:03
Ends up getting hurt. 00:27:05
And so this is part of the reason why. 00:27:06
As the asphalt continues to grow over the state. 00:27:09
Umm, things just become a lot. 00:27:13
More simple and ugly. 00:27:15
And then? 00:27:17
The billboarding as you can see in this situation, instead of walking at a human pace to a local shop. 00:27:19
Where there might be a tree in shade and they've got flowers in the window. 00:27:24
Now I'm in a car going like 35 miles an hour and things are they're like, OK, well they're going to miss the tree and the window, 00:27:28
the flowers in the shop, so. 00:27:33
We gotta have billboards. 00:27:37
And even small businesses are trying to compete in this environment where they're just like billboarding like. 00:27:39
How can I be as loud and as colorful and tactless as possible to get you to come into my parking lot? And so a lot of America ends 00:27:44
up. 00:27:49
Looking like this instead of having. 00:27:53
Brick pathways. 00:27:56
Trees. Lights. 00:27:58
Architecture. 00:28:00
Flowers, all the foliage that you'd want in a beautiful. 00:28:01
Area and that's. 00:28:06
Something that was also. 00:28:08
Very sad to me. I thought that I didn't like the desert, but I actually love Utah and I just don't like. 00:28:10
The way that we build, and I don't like seeing a McDonald's. 00:28:15
Billboard everywhere I go. 00:28:19
And then I go through a couple more. I won't touch them here, but I basically. 00:28:23
This safety issue. 00:28:28
Is you don't really have a choice. 00:28:30
Whether or not you're going to drive a car, you're either extremely passionate. 00:28:32
You have a hobby for biking. 00:28:36
Or you're like the most poor and desperate among us who have to walk on these highways. 00:28:38
Use your own 2 legs. 00:28:43
We just don't build. 00:28:44
People like they're the last on the list, even though they should be the first. 00:28:45
And that means that communities don't know each other. 00:28:50
And that means communities don't know their own children. 00:28:54
And so. 00:28:57
People don't feel safe whatsoever letting their children. 00:28:58
Go and and walk and be. 00:29:01
One they might get hit by a car or one they might be picked up by a white man. I mean they suburban Knights have a very strong 00:29:04
fear of this, even if it's not super prevalent here. 00:29:08
They still do. 00:29:12
Just the lifestyle that. 00:29:15
Cars and flicks upon us is almost impossible to. 00:29:17
Combat, it takes incredible discipline. 00:29:21
To be healthy. 00:29:25
To avoid processed foods. 00:29:26
To just get the daily movement out, I think a lot of. 00:29:28
Adults probably sit for about 8 hours a day, 8 to 9 hours a day. 00:29:33
At least because they're sitting in an office and then they're sitting in their car and then they're sitting at home watching TV 00:29:37
because there's not a community to fill that space. So. 00:29:41
That's really hard on them. 00:29:47
Degrees the environment, again, if you're building for cars. 00:29:49
You've got air pollution. 00:29:52
You've got plastic. Plastic is one of my most. 00:29:53
Biggest pet peeves? 00:29:56
And it is like. 00:29:58
You can see the trajectory of plastic from the 1950s just skyrocket. Like the moment suburbia started, plastic just started 00:30:00
filling our entire. 00:30:04
Our closets, our refrigerators are. 00:30:09
Other communities like. 00:30:13
It affects foreign communities as well. 00:30:14
Umm, and then this lifestyle. 00:30:18
People are like, well I'd rather go to Walmart because the bread is cheaper. 00:30:20
You saved like $0.30 on bread. 00:30:25
Besides the local grocer, but you also spent $30,000 on the car, the insurance, the car seat. 00:30:28
Your gym membership, your entertainment system, like the lifestyle that we're there's so much missing from our environments that 00:30:36
we're like, OK, well I have to spend like. 00:30:40
Thousands of dollars to fulfill. 00:30:45
Everything else that's not happening in my own environment, so it's extremely expensive. 00:30:47
The way that we're living. 00:30:52
And we could have more quality goods and. 00:30:54
Be a more beautiful environments and more peace and more children out. 00:30:57
But we choose this extremely consumer driven environment. 00:31:00
It's being told to us is freedom like the car is freedom, but in so many ways. 00:31:04
It's not freedom at all. 00:31:09
So, so that's the end of my first section. My second section I just talked about like culture and. 00:31:12
How every generation? 00:31:17
Is experiencing. 00:31:19
Suburbia differently. So this is a quote from my book. No matter when we arrived at the feast. 00:31:20
We are still ruled by a tyrannical. 00:31:26
King. There's a bit of a typo there, but. 00:31:28
Essentially, there's a lot of generational divide. 00:31:32
Of generations like. 00:31:36
Bickering at each other. 00:31:39
And blaming each other and confused by each other which is one of the terms like OK boomer is part of the reason. 00:31:41
Suburbia is the reason why this term has been created because. 00:31:48
Boomer parents, they're all. 00:31:53
They're all gone, but they didn't grow up in a culture of. 00:31:55
Suburban development. 00:31:59
And so boomers, basically. 00:32:00
Got the absolute best version of Suburbia. 00:32:05
And then it degenerates overtime, socially degenerates, ergonomically degenerates. 00:32:09
So you'll see Gen. alpha does not have the same skill sets. 00:32:13
They don't have. 00:32:17
They're not as interested in social things, they're their environments are extremely regulated. 00:32:20
They're not spending time outside. 00:32:25
Their environments are too boring to be in. 00:32:27
They. 00:32:29
Spend like almost 7 to 8 hours at least on a screen a day like they don't have anything. 00:32:31
To fulfill them. 00:32:38
And their parents, as they go along, lose the discipline to deal with the environment as well. So even though parents know that. 00:32:40
Their children need a lot of things. 00:32:48
They can't supply them because they either don't have the skill set. 00:32:51
Or they don't have the discipline. 00:32:55
And. 00:32:56
So that's what this section was about. Like boomers not understanding Gen. alpha and me saying. 00:32:59
You know, how could anybody? How could any of us known? 00:33:04
That the suburban experiment was going to do this like we had no idea, and it seemed really great in the beginning. 00:33:08
And now it's not working like it's it's failed us. 00:33:14
And it's nobody's fault. 00:33:17
But there just needs to be an understanding of. 00:33:20
Why we are so angry at each other, I think. 00:33:22
Millennials were the first really to feel the degeneration. They were like. 00:33:26
What happened? 00:33:30
To the American dream, like why can't I afford a house? And why is the economy so shaky? And I did everything that I was supposed 00:33:31
to. 00:33:35
And it's still not working and so. 00:33:38
It's only getting worse. 00:33:41
And then culture, connectivity and creativity. 00:33:43
I have my most popular reel is me. 00:33:46
Dancing with my husband. 00:33:49
Umm people used to meet through dancing like 80% of. 00:33:51
People of Americans had met at a dance. 00:33:55
In 1907. 00:33:58
And then the 1950s just killed it. Like the moment we created Spurbia, people were like, the Lindy Hop was kind of the last. 00:34:00
Part of. 00:34:08
A casual dancing culture because of the separation of community and cars. 00:34:09
They weren't. 00:34:15
Umm, they weren't connected to each other. 00:34:16
Anymore and it just kind of went downhill from there. And then you see these younger generations and they're like, man. 00:34:18
What happened? 00:34:24
To that like, why don't we have this wholesome? 00:34:25
Culture anymore, and it's because everything starts getting pushed up. 00:34:29
To the top, so. 00:34:33
The. 00:34:37
There's this. 00:34:38
The culture becomes extremely sexual. 00:34:40
Corporate. 00:34:43
Consumer driven because we don't have those local. 00:34:45
Municipalities of people who are like walking in these walkable areas and they're constantly rubbing shoulders with each other and 00:34:48
they know each other and they. 00:34:52
Are creating like events are just sort of springing into nowhere because they're like all familiar with each other and they're. 00:34:56
Having fun with each other during certain points of the year and. 00:35:02
When you take that away. 00:35:06
Communities become. 00:35:08
Socially degenerative people don't want to be involved in politics. They don't want to be involved in their neighbor. They don't 00:35:10
even want to know their neighbor. 00:35:13
And you literally cannot have a culture without people. 00:35:17
It's impossible. 00:35:20
You have to create a space for people actually are organically interacting with each other or they can't. 00:35:22
So I spend all this time trying to like, convince suburbanites by this thing that they're holding onto, that they believe it's 00:35:28
just so precious. 00:35:32
Is. 00:35:36
Really harming them, it's hurting their children so badly. 00:35:38
And it's pulling from their wallets and it's like making it so that. 00:35:43
If you become. 00:35:48
Disabled in any regard, your life is over. Like if you can't drive a car. 00:35:50
Yeah, you got your whole life. 00:35:54
Transforms like if you become blind, how are you? 00:35:56
How are you going to function? You have to like, rely on other people. It's so. 00:35:59
Like we're so ages, we're so ableist with the system, we don't have the freedom that we think that we do so. 00:36:03
The first step that Vineyard could do? 00:36:10
And this is what? 00:36:13
This is this is how we transform Suburban. 00:36:15
Environments into villages where people are like. 00:36:19
Working next to each other and their children can go out and play and we're starting making beautiful environments again and we 00:36:21
bring peace into the community. 00:36:25
And. 00:36:29
We have really unique places where everything, everywhere you go, there's something new and beautiful to witness. 00:36:31
The first thing is to address. 00:36:39
The zoning regulations and incentivize local businesses. So basically we're giving back. 00:36:42
People the free market that they have been denied. 00:36:47
For so long. 00:36:50
I for in terms of like density sake. 00:36:53
I chose a mid density option because I know severe Knights don't want to live in a city. 00:36:56
But The thing is, is that they really want to be near society, and so they can't have it both ways with suburbia. 00:37:01
Like suburbia will. 00:37:08
We'll delete them. 00:37:10
From society like they will. 00:37:11
Umm, it'll make it really difficult to function. 00:37:14
But in mid density walkable areas they can have. 00:37:17
The really awesome school for their kids. 00:37:20
They can have the music lessons, and they can have the pool nearby and they can have the awesome musical theater. 00:37:23
And they can. 00:37:28
They're close to a plumber so. 00:37:31
Basically what you do is. 00:37:34
Say. 00:37:36
For families and. 00:37:37
You start allowing people to. 00:37:39
Add a door to their basement so. 00:37:41
I live with my parents, we're not allowed to. 00:37:45
I live in a unit downstairs with my sister. 00:37:47
In an apartment and we're not allowed to add a door because it's illegal. So I'm like. 00:37:51
Adding density to the area, but I'm not allowed to actually. 00:37:56
Do it. And So what you do is you start saying OK. 00:37:59
Let families. 00:38:02
Be with each other. There's so many Utahns that are displaced right now because they. 00:38:04
We can't afford a home, so you start cutting red tape and this doesn't cost any money. You just start letting people build the 00:38:09
housing that they need. 00:38:12
And have like an idea of how density wanted and and keep that in mind and then. 00:38:16
You not only allow local businesses, but you incentivize them. Walmart gets a tax break. 00:38:24
For like 10 years and they're paying less taxes. 00:38:30
For their property than single family houses in Saratoga. 00:38:33
And So what you do instead instead of? 00:38:38
Giving the billionaires the tax handout, you start giving the tax handout to the local businesses. 00:38:40
So you've now created something walkable. Instead of driving to Walmart, you're now going to walk to your fresh. 00:38:47
Hickory next door. 00:38:53
You're going to go to the Pilates instructor. You are. 00:38:55
I'm going to a local butcher because it's kind of. 00:38:59
Convenience. You know them. They're. 00:39:02
Your children can walk there. You feel safe there, You're connected to them. They have really good quality goods like you. You 00:39:04
start to feel connected to your own community. 00:39:08
Umm and then the next. 00:39:13
Is to actually start making that walkable infrastructure if you start trying to put in trails. 00:39:16
And things before you know where anybody's walking, then things become a little bit useless. So the first step is to actually make 00:39:21
things walkable and functional. 00:39:25
Can I walk to a place? 00:39:30
Is it productive? Is it not just recreational? I'm not just walking to a park. 00:39:32
I'm I'm picking up. 00:39:36
Fruits and vegetables for dinner. 00:39:39
They say, OK, where is everyone going make sure that. 00:39:41
The trail is like as speedy as possible. 00:39:45
Can the person walk and get there as fast? Can the person biking get there as fast? 00:39:48
And. 00:39:52
You start, you know. 00:39:54
Making paths for people and. 00:39:56
That can start happening organically if people just need it. 00:39:58
And then, and this is what I'm talking about, is it peaceful? 00:40:01
Is it beautiful? 00:40:05
Can you take your kid on it if you can't take your kid on the strode with the painted bike lane and you don't feel the same with 00:40:07
your 4 year old. 00:40:11
That's not walkable. 00:40:15
And are things separated, like if you have a space for cars? 00:40:18
Can I safely write? 00:40:21
My bike. 00:40:24
If not, you can just not walkable. 00:40:26
Is it pleasant if not? 00:40:29
It's not walkable. You have. 00:40:31
Deterred. 00:40:33
The priority to some other entity. 00:40:36
And this is the second step, so there must be stuff like this. 00:40:38
Everywhere. 00:40:42
And then the last step, which we always try to make the first step. 00:40:43
Is multimodal transportation so. 00:40:47
This is just. 00:40:50
Mix bourbonite so. 00:40:52
Angry when you try to put a bus in because they hate. 00:40:54
The bus like they they don't want the bus in a system that's made for cars, anything. 00:40:59
That inconveniences a suburbanite. They're like. 00:41:04
I don't want it. You're not wasting my tax money. 00:41:06
I don't want the train, I don't want the bus, I don't want the tram, I don't even want the trail. I want to move through life as 00:41:09
convenient as I can through with my car. And it's because they're already so inconvenienced. 00:41:15
By their car, so after you create things. 00:41:21
Create functional walkability after you start making beautiful trails. 00:41:24
Then you can start being like, OK, where are we going to put the freeway? Where are we going to put the street? 00:41:27
Where are we going to put the tram? The train? 00:41:32
The streetcar. Where can we start diversifying? 00:41:34
Transportation. 00:41:39
And everywhere possible. And I just have this vision of like. 00:41:40
Trains just expanding. 00:41:45
All over the US having like a plethora of options everywhere. 00:41:48
And transportation in this system of a walkable system becomes like a luxury. 00:41:53
If you look at Switzerland. 00:41:58
The wealthy prefer the transportation because it's so nice. They don't have to think about anything when they're on the train. 00:42:00
They can read a book, they can chat with a friend, they can have a coffee. They love it. So this is the type of system where 00:42:05
transportation actually starts to function. 00:42:10
And. 00:42:15
Making things beautiful and functional that really makes people feel like. 00:42:17
Love being here. 00:42:22
I feel safe here. 00:42:24
And. 00:42:26
I can get to my destinations. 00:42:27
With alternative transportation in a meaningful way and not one that takes me 3 hours. 00:42:29
And 1/2 hour bike ride so. 00:42:35
That's the type of thing that. 00:42:38
That's the goal. 00:42:40
And so my last section about families. 00:42:42
It literally takes a village you you can't build infrastructure and not think about families. 00:42:45
Then there's no one to live in it and it's really lame and there's not a lot of life or dynamic. 00:42:51
Or children and so. 00:42:56
My first section is about children. 00:43:00
In my prologue. 00:43:03
And this is another quote for my book. Children were an integral part of everyday society, a conglomeration of adult mimicry, 00:43:04
childlike interests, and, best of all, freedom. 00:43:08
Suburbia separates children from normal society. 00:43:13
And we compensate by making a lot of child center spaces. 00:43:16
And it is so so. 00:43:19
Bad for them. 00:43:21
It is. It delays them. 00:43:23
Almost until adulthood, these are some newsy children, and I talk about some of the problems that newsy children experience, but 00:43:26
they were like extremely competent. 00:43:30
Socially where? I mean they literally took down an entire corporation that was. 00:43:35
Stealing money from them. I mean, these kids were awesome. They. 00:43:40
They knew what they were doing and they were like almost an entire political entity because they were all over the street and they 00:43:45
were allowed to be and they were safe. 00:43:48
And then of course, we need a balanced play education and learning. 00:43:53
So I just talked about some of the needs of our children, appropriate parental involvement. You don't have that with suburbia. 00:43:57
They're being chauffeured everywhere, like they. 00:44:01
They don't have. 00:44:05
A lot of spaces to do things on their own. 00:44:06
And so parents are always like, right? 00:44:08
Over them. They don't feel like they're safe enough. 00:44:11
And have to drive them everywhere. 00:44:13
There's not a lot of outdoor exploration, you just notice the tract homes in suburbia start to just kill all types of natural 00:44:16
environments. 00:44:19
Everything is. 00:44:23
A green lawn, there's not a lot of nature to play in, there's just nothing to explore, so you don't see a lot of children outdoors 00:44:24
anymore. 00:44:27
They they have a lot more interesting world. 00:44:30
Online, on their phones, on their video games. 00:44:33
They have almost no autonomy like walkability creates environments for children can walk and do things. 00:44:36
And be productive and. 00:44:43
They don't really have that there. They can maybe go to the park, but again, the park is. 00:44:45
Pretty boring as to what's. 00:44:48
On the phone and again, like we have extremely regulated child centered spaces and sort of a child just being outside like rubbing 00:44:50
shoulders with adults and. 00:44:55
And playing with other children who aren't even their peers. 00:44:59
They are in sports. 00:45:03
Which starts to become extremely expensive. 00:45:04
Middle classes. 00:45:08
Getting kind of warped out of. 00:45:09
I think. 00:45:12
The drill team that my sister's on is 2 to 3 grand, and it wasn't even that expensive even five years ago. I mean. 00:45:13
It's just getting more and more competitive and harder for children to be in these spaces. 00:45:20
And then I advocate. 00:45:24
Child appropriate work outside the home. 00:45:27
So I am really interested in children not being delayed. 00:45:29
And we are delaying them almost 6 to 10 years in American systems. 00:45:33
A lot of that has to do with driving, but a lot of it has to have the culture surrounding children. We don't want children working 00:45:38
at all, but children need it so badly. And if you create a system where they can walk outside their door safely and you feel safe 00:45:43
with your own community and you like your neighbors and. 00:45:47
You trust them. 00:45:52
Then your nine year old or your 10 year old can wash windows for two to four hours a week at the local. 00:45:54
Bread Shop. 00:46:00
That's something that they can do. I kind of talk about like appropriate work ages. 00:46:01
And timings but. 00:46:06
I just feel like. 00:46:08
Children. 00:46:10
Are just yearning and we make them wait. 00:46:11
Like six to seven years. And by the time that they're 16, they're like, yeah. 00:46:14
I don't want to anymore. I don't even want to drive. Like Gen. Z doesn't even care to drive. You can't delay children. 00:46:18
This much you have to actually provide environments where they can function. 00:46:24
And then of course, socialization and belonging and try to keep them off of their phone if they don't have a place to walk 00:46:27
outside. 00:46:31
We see especially poor communities. 00:46:35
Just entirely glued. 00:46:38
Screen and this makes me so sad. And if you have a value system of a single family house. 00:46:41
And you can't afford that house and you're a kid and living in a condo. Guess what? 00:46:46
You're probably going to be on a screen. 00:46:50
And that has huge ramifications for the future of our. 00:46:51
Society. I talk about infants. You have to. 00:46:56
You have to design environments around infants. I mean, this is. 00:47:00
Of who we are like, you can't. You have to think about mothers and infants when you think about building a place. 00:47:06
If a mother can't function. 00:47:11
She's not going to have children. She just, she's going to suffer having children and she shouldn't be. She should have supportive 00:47:13
communities and she should be able to walk outside her home without the need of a car. 00:47:18
And I cannot imagine like. 00:47:23
Me personally, my life basically ended after I had my kid because he wouldn't sit in a car seat. He was screaming like crazy. I 00:47:25
was like how can I even. 00:47:28
I can't even go places. 00:47:33
So you have to integrate motherhood. 00:47:36
With local communities so that mothers can also start to feel like they can contribute to local communities instead of. 00:47:38
Have children wait 18 to 20 years and then try to get back into the workforce. Umm. 00:47:45
That's a huge. 00:47:50
Huge problem for a lot of women and it's one of the reasons why a lot of women are having children, because we don't have these 00:47:52
local communities where they can join. 00:47:55
So that is the. 00:48:01
Brief overview of my book. 00:48:03
Basically I asked. 00:48:06
The reader, you know, like. 00:48:09
What is the American Dream? Is it? 00:48:10
Is it tracked homes or is it really beautiful? 00:48:12
Dynamic places where your children can function and can walk and you have. 00:48:15
Economic freedom and things are being designed. 00:48:19
Around people again, Is it the car? 00:48:22
Or is it being able? 00:48:25
Go on a bike ride with your kids and have them get fresh air and get fresh bread and. 00:48:27
Feel like they're getting their needs met and you're getting your needs met. 00:48:33
Is it Costco? 00:48:37
Although it's my convenience or. 00:48:39
Is it your own? 00:48:41
Having your kid be able to pick up eggs for dinner and learn adult skills. 00:48:43
And that's that's a convenience all on its own. 00:48:48
And, umm. 00:48:51
Helps families function where you have like, beautiful spaces instead of dreary parking lots. With Costco's everywhere, I mean. 00:48:53
We really do have to choose. 00:48:59
And then is it kids on phones? 00:49:01
Or is it kids? 00:49:04
Actually living. 00:49:05
A life, practicing adulthood, being outside, feeling like. 00:49:07
They're trusted to do things. 00:49:11
On their own. 00:49:13
This is the America that I. 00:49:15
And. 00:49:17
It really just starts with the way that we used to build before the 1950s. America used to build this way and it's. 00:49:19
It's completely possible, you just have to start cut reading. 00:49:25
Cut cutting red tape. 00:49:28
And it doesn't cost a lot of money initially, I mean. 00:49:30
Things just become walkable if you let them be walkable. People make trails. 00:49:32
Wherever they go, if they can, they'll just find a way. 00:49:37
And of course transportation is always going to be the most expensive, but. 00:49:41
This is possible. 00:49:44
And for Vineyard? 00:49:46
Particularly. 00:49:47
One of the biggest things you can do is. 00:49:50
Start telling people. 00:49:53
That there's something. 00:49:55
Better for them. 00:49:57
And. 00:49:58
Start allowing. 00:50:01
Start convincing people to allow. 00:50:05
More walkability by allowing families to move in with each other again. 00:50:07
Umm, by allowing the Baker to show that he has a business. There is a Baker almost a block for me and I didn't know for 10 years 00:50:13
because it was illegal. 00:50:16
But they're already there. Like if you go into Facebook, we already have the bones. People are like. 00:50:21
There are businesses everywhere, they just can't. 00:50:26
Compete and they can't show that they're doing it. 00:50:29
So that would be the first step and. 00:50:33
Yeah, I, I'm really excited. 00:50:37
About this message. 00:50:41
For my children and. 00:50:44
I suffered quite a bit in this system and I don't want them. 00:50:46
Same so. 00:50:49
Thank you so much. 00:50:50
For inviting me. 00:50:51
Anyone has any questions they're free to ask. I also have some discounted books in the back if you would like. 00:50:53
Any questions? 00:51:01
Thank you guys. 00:51:06
Yeah. 00:51:11
I think vineyards kind of unique. 00:51:13
I think kind of a unique situation. 00:51:19
Where we kind of have the suffering. 00:51:22
Yeah, there was. 00:51:28
Yeah. 00:51:36
About Vineyard or Utah City. 00:51:42
Yeah, I guess I mean with how it relates to. 00:51:46
That was the part of like. Why? 00:51:49
Yes. 00:51:51
Yeah, I know. I I do. Vineyard is. 00:51:56
Has more. 00:52:00
Ideas about walkability I think. I think we're like missing like the. 00:52:02
Thing which is that productive local business. 00:52:06
For Utah City, I don't mind Utah City at all, I think. 00:52:10
A fine idea. 00:52:13
I think that Utah City is going to be incredibly car dependent still I I find. 00:52:15
That is the biggest problem with the way that we're going about things we don't have. 00:52:20
No matter what, we're always turning our. 00:52:26
Our view to the car. 00:52:29
And it's it's mostly just a logistical problem. It's because not everybody. 00:52:30
Is on board. 00:52:35
Yeah. And so you can't really function without a car. 00:52:37
For Vineyard. 00:52:40
Do you have any ideas babe? 00:52:41
Yeah, I can. 00:52:43
Comment on Utah City Jeff Spec. 00:52:45
Is a great designer I think. 00:52:47
My only concern with it is that. 00:52:50
Local communities. 00:52:56
And so you still have corporate? 00:52:59
In those environments. So that's my biggest worry. 00:53:02
You're going to have some elites that buy a. 00:53:08
Oh. 00:53:22
Sorry. Thank you. 00:53:23
So I'll just. 00:53:26
Quickly. 00:53:27
Utah City is going to be built. 00:53:29
Top down. 00:53:31
Involve a lot of corporation. 00:53:32
Control and money. 00:53:35
To build and it won't have the local community environment that it needs. 00:53:37
The to start from the bottom up. 00:53:42
It might get that way eventually. 00:53:45
Overtime and it might not depending on. 00:53:48
How long corporate control lasts in that area. 00:53:51
Now for Vineyard, I think Diane already said, but I'll reiterate. 00:53:54
Its businesses. 00:53:59
Where's the nearest? 00:54:00
Grocery store. 00:54:03
Is that in Vineyard? Ask us in six months, right, OK. 00:54:07
I, I don't want to pick. I don't mean to pick on you guys about that. I think you guys know this. 00:54:13
You you feel that pain. 00:54:19
But that is the epitome of what? 00:54:21
This American dream is. 00:54:24
The village dream is about. 00:54:26
Restoring the American Dream means. 00:54:29
Building these villages where there are businesses in. 00:54:33
Your community, and when you put a business in your community, that's one less car that needs to drive to get those services. 00:54:36
So if you can take cars off the road, that means the cars that need to be on the road get where they need to go faster, increasing 00:54:44
your efficiency in your economy, in your city. So build for local businesses. 00:54:50
If you. There are businesses in Europe that have. 00:54:57
Lasted world wars because. 00:55:00
They are so connected to their communities that their communities uphold them. 00:55:03
And value them more than. 00:55:08
Than the Walmarts and that don't care about your community they just want your money. 00:55:10
So that's the biggest thing. Start with, start with that. You already have pretty good walkability. 00:55:14
Consider. 00:55:21
Alternative. 00:55:23
Routes from the road. 00:55:24
Is another big push I would say. 00:55:26
If you. 00:55:30
The routes that I rode to get here today. 00:55:31
Was working in Provo and took my bike on the bus and then. 00:55:35
Biked in the rest of the way. 00:55:39
The routes were all next to. 00:55:42
Roads. 00:55:45
And if you think about children again, designing around children and families, are you going to want? 00:55:46
To ride your bike next to the road, the busy road and possibly have your child. 00:55:51
Fall over and if there's no buffer between the. 00:55:56
Road and the sidewalk or. 00:55:59
Or the trail. 00:56:00
They're falling into the road. 00:56:02
Potentially. 00:56:03
So those are some considerations to make. 00:56:04
How do you connect people to where they want to go? 00:56:07
And where do they want to go? 00:56:10
Really don't. 00:56:25
My name is David Pitch. I live here in Vineyard. 00:56:30
And I have two questions. 00:56:33
I'm not sure of the term. 00:56:35
1. 00:56:37
Can you give me your ideas of building? 00:56:39
Bottom up. 00:56:42
And the origin. 00:56:44
Of Verbiah. 00:56:46
So this is a free market movement if you were to ask? 00:56:49
People. 00:56:54
If you were to tell people in the 80s that malls were gonna die, they'd be like. 00:56:55
No, they're never dying. 00:56:59
People love malls and that's where they went to socialize and hang out. 00:57:01
And now malls are like dying. 00:57:06
If you go to Provo, they're trying to sort of. 00:57:09
Push it away because people aren't going there anymore. That's kind of the idea. There are other, there are going to be other 00:57:12
outlets. 00:57:15
Where again, like convenience matters with walkability. 00:57:19
If I can walk a block or two. 00:57:24
To get what I need instead of drive a 2 ton vehicle in a lot of traffic. 00:57:27
They're going to pick the walkability, they're going to pick the small business, especially if you know that guy and he's like 00:57:34
really good to you and. 00:57:38
You really appreciate what he's doing for your community and he's like a. 00:57:43
Political bulldog, you know he's defending you and. 00:57:46
He's been around for a long time. There's we don't have a lot of family businesses so that that's another thing. 00:57:49
We're trying to restore this family cohesion through businesses. 00:57:55
And the origin of suburbia is. 00:57:59
Sort of a drawn out process, but essentially. 00:58:01
The value system when cars came into view. 00:58:04
There is a bit of conspiracy with the car industry which actually got caught in a. 00:58:08
Court case. 00:58:13
And then pay a fine because they were. 00:58:14
Buying up? 00:58:17
Transportation and then destroying it with face companies. 00:58:18
But nobody really cared at the time because they liked the idea of the car. It was a lot of freedom and during that time 00:58:22
everything got shifted and values. 00:58:26
To the car. So it used to be that people ruled the streets and when cars came in. 00:58:30
They no longer did, even though people were very. 00:58:34
Unhappy about it? 00:58:38
The cars ended up winning that battle. 00:58:40
And then? 00:58:42
Really, I would say that suburbia started due to a trauma response in World War 2. Everyone came home and they're like, I don't 00:58:43
want to live in the city, I want to be away. 00:58:49
And the suburban development kind of already existed in a lot of ways. 00:58:54
But it really just exploded. 00:59:00
Right around the 1950s. 00:59:03
And. 00:59:05
It was in our television. It was I Love Lucy and Andy Griffith Show, and they're like, this is the place. 00:59:06
This is the place we're going to. 00:59:13
You're gonna have a. 00:59:15
A car in a beautiful home and. 00:59:16
It's gonna be so family oriented and really community driven and strong and. 00:59:19
The suburbs don't provide the organic community, so just. 00:59:23
Disintegrated communities overtime. 00:59:27
Especially with the advent of technology, just I would say that technology just speed it up. 00:59:29
I wouldn't say that. 00:59:34
The suburbs. 00:59:36
I think that the result of the suburbs sort of happened anyways, but I think technology was like, OK, let's get this. 00:59:39
Show on the road because they have other outlets too. 00:59:46
Entertain themselves with. 00:59:50
Did that answer your question? 00:59:51
Anything else? 00:59:55
Please introduce yourself as the local Baker. 01:00:00
So I did want to give you some help for Vineyard. 01:00:04
Because. 01:00:07
You know we are in a spot where. 01:00:08
I love what you're saying having local community or having local business owners and having. 01:00:11
Home ownership as an option and we do really seek that out. We are looking. 01:00:15
When we are looking at developments, we're looking for ways to negotiate to encourage developers to make sure that we have 01:00:19
ownership as an option. 01:00:23
And I see it also, there's so many problems at the state legislature with, you know, it's, it's run by developers quite often. 01:00:28
There are a lot of people. 01:00:32
That have that mentality. 01:00:37
But I do see a lot of hope in things like I have a I'm a local Baker, I bake out of my home, and I feel very supported by our 01:00:39
wonderful community. 01:00:44
And there is legislation at the state that allows me to bake out of my home without. 01:00:50
You know, with I have to disclose certain things and but it's the Homemade Food Act. 01:00:56
That allows me to be a small town at home Baker. And so I think that there are things that we can do as a community to kind of 01:01:01
push for the state to create laws like that. And also Vineyard is very. 01:01:08
Adu friendly we do see the value in having. 01:01:15
Homes where people can have that basement apartment because we believe it brings in. 01:01:19
People into that family setting as much as. 01:01:24
Umm, you know your concerns with suburbia. 01:01:27
It is great to be able to, if that is where we are, we want to be able to let people be there with us, right? 01:01:31
And so I think, I think there are a lot of challenges and I appreciate everything you pointed out, but I also do see a lot of 01:01:37
hope. 01:01:40
For that walkability that we are bringing and. 01:01:44
I think Jeff's back. 01:01:47
I love his perspective. 01:01:50
I love. 01:01:53
I lost the name of the book. 01:01:54
Paved paradise. 01:01:56
Is very interesting. 01:01:58
It's, I think it's concepts like yours and these other books that. 01:02:00
We can take what we have and kind of approve upon it. 01:02:05
But I don't think we'll. 01:02:09
In your perfect world, we wouldn't have. 01:02:11
Any of this right? 01:02:14
But I think that by taking advice from things like that, I think that we really are. 01:02:16
On a great track. 01:02:21
Like I think just even with this active transportation Commission, I think you guys are doing a wonderful job at what your goals 01:02:23
are and. 01:02:26
What planning we have. So sorry, I'll stop. We love having you here. Thank you so much. 01:02:29
It's amazing. I didn't know you were actually Baker. 01:02:35
Yes, I love. 01:02:40
Some good fresh bread. It's so hard to make sourdough. Yeah. 01:02:42
Exactly, it takes a lot of work. I just burned my sourdough today. This is such a bummer anyway. 01:02:46
So yes, if you guys would like a book, my husband has some. There's just $12.00 they're usually. 01:02:53
16 plus shipping on Amazon so. 01:03:00
If you like one of those. 01:03:03
Umm, just let us know. 01:03:06
And thank you so much for giving me your time. I probably took a bit. 01:03:07
Too much time. 01:03:11
But I appreciate you and. 01:03:13
Have a wonderful night. 01:03:15
Thanks for sharing your. 01:03:21
Perspective insights with us. 01:03:23
All right, so we'll move over to the next. 01:03:27
Item of business approval of minutes. 01:03:30
None of that. 01:03:36
We'll skip over that one. 01:03:37
OK, business items? 01:03:39
Update on the ongoing citywide Wayfinding master plan. 01:03:42
From Bike, Utah. 01:03:47
OK, my name is Cameron Carter. I am a city planner with Bike Utah. I'm sure you all know Chris Wilsey. He's usually here. 01:04:11
With me is also Jacob Brooks. 01:04:18
He is a graphic design specialist with Bike Utah, and so he'll be doing part of this presentation as well. 01:04:20
Is there anything I have to do to connect my screen? 01:04:26
Is it that circle button? 01:04:37
I said yeah. 01:05:23
Capital V. 01:05:35
Seems to be connected. 01:06:10
There you go, Sir. Thanks. 01:07:00
OK, so very briefly. 01:07:04
As I mentioned, I work for Bike Utah. We are. 01:07:07
Partnering with Ave. Consultants on a wayfinding. 01:07:10
And active transportation amenities planned for Vineyard. 01:07:13
As well as an actual transportation update. 01:07:16
Just quickly, this presentation we're going to provide an update on. 01:07:19
On the work we're doing, I'm gonna show you survey results. 01:07:22
We're going to talk about wayfinding, destinations, amenities, signage, concepts, and next steps. 01:07:25
So we are sort of finalizing our research on. 01:07:30
Wayfinding and best practices for cities like Vineyard in terms of the size and population. 01:07:36
We're also doing existing conditions analysis. 01:07:44
We will be evaluating the city by bike, looking more at amenities specifically. 01:07:46
I'll talk a little bit more about route prioritization criteria in a moment and community engagement. 01:07:52
And then Jacob will do signage concepts at the end. 01:07:57
So we submitted a survey last December, I believe is when it started. 01:08:01
Last I checked there were 120. 01:08:06
Respondents. So it's pretty good for a city survey. 01:08:09
And there are 5 slides going through some of the main findings, so this one shows. 01:08:12
How do you usually travel to destinations in Vineyard So. 01:08:18
This was a select all that apply question you can see. 01:08:21
Among the 120 people. 01:08:24
76 were walking, 62 were biking. 01:08:26
Part of this question was also looking at how prevalent are golf carts and how. 01:08:30
How much should we incorporate that perspective in this plan? 01:08:35
And as you can see, almost nobody. 01:08:38
Drives a golf cart. 01:08:41
According to the survey. 01:08:43
So I think also just. 01:08:44
She comes to a soccer game on a Saturday in summer, Yeah. 01:08:46
This one shows how often people are using active transportation. It's very high almost every day or a few times a week. 01:08:54
Which is a good sign for the population. 01:09:01
This shows the top three places that people visit when using active transportation. So Lakeshore Trail. 01:09:05
In your Grove park, Vineyard Beach. 01:09:12
Front runner station. 01:09:14
This is helpful for us as we are deciding which destinations are most important to include on wayfinding signs. 01:09:16
This shows. 01:09:25
When you're 1 biking and Vineyard do you generally ride on multi use paths, sidewalks or on street with cars? 01:09:26
This came from a question we were thinking about. How should we be orienting these wayfinding signs? 01:09:32
If you're having a sign for bicyclists, should it be facing the street or on the multi use paths? Vineyard is? 01:09:39
Interesting compared to most cities in Utah and that there's multi use paths on almost every major St. here. 01:09:45
Which is, you know, really convenient and this shows those multi use paths are they're used quite frequently by cyclists. 01:09:51
So we intend to. 01:09:57
Direct these wayfinding signs. 01:09:59
To the cyclists using those multi use paths. 01:10:01
And then lastly this one shows. 01:10:05
The top three active transportation amenities you would be. 01:10:08
Or that would be the most useful to you? 01:10:11
So active transportation amenities are. 01:10:13
You know, sort of features or facilities that will improve the experience for cyclists or pedestrians. 01:10:16
You can see the most desirable amenities here are trees or shade structures. 01:10:21
Benches and picnic areas. 01:10:26
And lighting, water fountains, public restrooms. 01:10:28
That's another thing to keep in mind. Just what do people in the community want most? And so, you know, this is helpful for one 01:10:30
year directing investments in the future. 01:10:34
Wayfinding destinations, so part of the. 01:10:40
Wayfinding plan. 01:10:44
We have. 01:10:45
Created these sort of distinctions or categories for wayfinding. 01:10:47
Level 1 Districts and regional destinations these are. 01:10:51
You can see they're listed here. So Mill Rd. Entertainment District. You also have the front runner station. These are really. 01:10:56
Large, large. 01:11:01
Destinations that draw a lot of regional traffic. 01:11:02
On the other side you have local destinations Level 3, so these are. 01:11:06
Obviously local destinations that don't have much regional traffic. 01:11:10
When we're thinking about wayfinding, we will be prioritizing these level 1 destinations. 01:11:15
Given that, they obviously have the most usage. 01:11:19
And also the people who are using them are likely to be visitors coming from other cities. 01:11:23
And so wayfinding will be most beneficial to those. 01:11:28
People compared to local destinations who are most used by people who currently live here. 01:11:31
And you know, may already know where these destinations are. 01:11:35
Here's a map that shows some of these destinations. 01:11:40
In blue, the larger one are the level 1 destinations you have Front runner, UVU, Geneva Park. 01:11:43
Miller Entertainment District. 01:11:50
Level 2 are more of the regional parks like Lakeside Lakeview Sports Park. 01:11:52
Yeah. 01:12:00
Lastly, route prioritization. 01:12:03
We are thinking about. 01:12:06
How should we prioritize these wayfinding investments? 01:12:08
And the idea is that I think ideally. 01:12:11
We will be making recommendations for all existing routes, but you might. 01:12:14
Making decisions on which routes to. 01:12:18
Build out first if you have a limited budget or other constraints. 01:12:21
There might be. 01:12:26
Might be a need to pick specific wayfinding signs to build this year compared to next year the following. 01:12:27
And so some of the prioritization criteria we're looking at. 01:12:32
Our route quality. 01:12:35
This refers to facility type. 01:12:37
The idea being that facilities that have high comfort and high safety. 01:12:40
Mainly multi use paths. 01:12:44
Are going to be used a much, much more than bike lanes or buffered bike lanes. 01:12:46
And so because of that higher usage, we are going to prioritize routes that have higher quality. 01:12:51
Route continuity refers to gaps. 01:12:56
In routes so there are certain streets such as Center St. 01:12:58
That is a multi use path for most of the way and then it sort of drops off and there's a gap as you get closer to the highway. 01:13:03
Those gaps will limit ridership and so we will be. 01:13:11
Prioritizing routes that do not have gaps. 01:13:15
Route directness. 01:13:18
This refers to how direct a route is from the origin to destination. 01:13:19
If a route is very curvy. 01:13:23
People are less likely to use that for transportation purposes, right? 01:13:25
And then lastly, proximity to destination. 01:13:29
This refers to the fact that routes that are closer to destinations are going to be having the most ridership. 01:13:32
Obviously people are trying to get places when they're. 01:13:39
Walking or biking, whether it's to a park or a business. 01:13:42
So you know routes like Mill Rd. even though it might have low route quality. 01:13:45
It is much closer to many of those destinations and so people are still likely to use it. 01:13:50
A couple of questions. 01:13:55
Well, I guess I'll pause there. Are there any questions from you so far? I know there's a lot of information. 01:13:57
Are you able to? 01:14:03
Share these afterwards. Yes, absolutely great. 01:14:05
I wanted to simply get some feedback. 01:14:08
On umm. 01:14:10
Your perspective on prioritization and how we might be weighting these different criteria. 01:14:12
For instance, should we be prioritizing routes that are more direct but have gaps? 01:14:18
Compared to routes that you might have complete facilities. 01:14:22
Are less direct. 01:14:25
In other words, among these four, which would be most important to you? 01:14:28
And how should we be factoring those in, unless you think they're all equally valid and should be weighted equally? 01:14:32
My initial thought and passion area on this is first safe routes to school because those are. 01:14:40
People that can't drive that need to be safe and also everyone else benefits from that. 01:14:46
That falls within here too, but I. 01:14:52
Like those are some of the higher priority areas I would think. 01:14:54
OK. 01:14:57
Yeah, I agree. I think especially with wayfinding. 01:14:59
I think people who would be more reliant on wayfinding are not very familiar with the neighborhood or the terrain. 01:15:03
Umm. And so I think prioritizing the complete. 01:15:10
Probably, maybe not as direct or efficient route makes more sense there. 01:15:14
And just from personal experience, I feel like there's. 01:15:19
There's like always that shortcut or the whatever that you can take on your bike if it's early morning and there's not a lot of 01:15:22
traffic that you wouldn't do later in the day. 01:15:26
I feel like stuff like that is not something that we need to put on a sign of saying, hey, go this route, but only before 6:00 AM. 01:15:31
Yeah, that makes sense. 01:15:38
OK, the other thought I had is. 01:15:41
Near transit. 01:15:46
That's where maybe folks that are coming into the city that aren't as familiar with it as those who live here, making sure that 01:15:47
it's very clear, at least from the train station, how to navigate around and find major destinations or whatever it might be. 01:15:53
You probably already thought through all that. 01:16:01
No, it's very helpful. Thank you. 01:16:03
Any other thoughts before we go to some sign? 01:16:05
Design. 01:16:08
I think just going back to what Anthony was saying, just. 01:16:13
And it kind of takes that bottom up approach. 01:16:18
For example, the kiddos, right, they're kind of forced to. 01:16:23
To ride if their parents let them ride. 01:16:28
And we want it goes back to that community feel of. 01:16:31
We want to set up an environment that is safe so that parents would feel comfortable for them. 01:16:35
And just thinking of like. 01:16:41
The routes from homes all the way to the schools, routes from homes all the way to the parks like places that they would. 01:16:43
Most likely end up. 01:16:49
Creating that safe. 01:16:52
Base that route all the way through. 01:16:53
And I feel like that continuity would. 01:16:56
Would factor into creating that space for them. 01:17:00
OK, OK. 01:17:04
Thank you very much. 01:17:06
Oh, a couple more slides. Just amenities. 01:17:08
Just briefly, I already mentioned this, but active transportation amenities are features that enhance your experience while 01:17:11
walking your biking. 01:17:14
Part of this plan is identifying where amenities currently are. 01:17:17
And where they are not. And so we'll be making recommendations for. 01:17:21
All of the amenities listed on this screen. 01:17:25
I did want to just mention to Anthony that we have data for the top three. 01:17:27
And we do not have data for the bottom three or bottom. 01:17:31
76. 01:17:34
So we'll be doing our own assessment unless you can provide additional data, which would be very helpful. 01:17:36
So perhaps you could e-mail me later. I will say on. 01:17:41
Open St. maps there are a few layers that have some of the at least public restrooms. 01:17:45
Some of the bike racks and bike repair stations as well. OK, maybe not everything. It's probably still worth doing an audit, yeah. 01:17:51
OK. And additionally, are there any other amenities? 01:17:58
That you would like us to consider or making these recommendations? 01:18:02
OK. 01:18:13
All right, yeah, I will be able to send this out later, so if you have additional comments, you can always e-mail me. 01:18:15
Jacob will now talk about science. 01:18:21
Hello, I've been sitting in quiet for the last like. 01:18:26
Two hours. I'm just like me, me, me, me, OK. 01:18:30
My name is Jacob Brooks. I'm with Bike Utah. I'm their communications and graphic designer specialist. 01:18:34
Before we begin this, because this is a very subjective conversation. 01:18:39
I need to know who y'all are and who's in charge, Who's making the decisions when it comes to the signage? Is it one person? 01:18:43
Now I would say it's our committee. OK, so it's the committee and sorry, we make recommendations. Can you briefly tell me who you 01:18:51
guys are? 01:18:56
So I'm like, know who I'm talking to? 01:19:00
I was a brief before OK for this year. 01:19:03
I'm Anthony Jenkins. I think I've spoken to you about bike valet here as well. I support the turquoise. Do you like that? I had a 01:19:07
rocket. I wasn't quite sure. I'm like, should I get dressed up? I don't know. 01:19:12
No, it paid off. I'm Jordan Christensen. OK. 01:19:18
And you're the other Anthony, right? 01:19:21
The only Anthony. 01:19:23
OK, so you will be making the decision when you know we have our council member in here as well. 01:19:25
Yeah, our Commission. Are you the Baker? I feel the vibe. I feel the council. Listen, our Commission can't commit funds or make 01:19:29
any decisions that way. We typically make recommendations to the council. Perfect. Perfect. No. OK. 01:19:35
I've done this before with Arm City. I helped with their branding. We just, they paid us a lot of money. Not like Utah, but I'm 01:19:42
also a graphic designer. 01:19:46
To redo their flags so if you guys want to spend some doubt. 01:19:51
Come. No, but in all seriousness, I'm talking about your style guides. 01:19:54
As I was working with the signage, I realized. 01:19:59
I don't know if there's a cohesive style guide that you guys have or want to do, so I'm willing to help you with that as well. 01:20:02
Marty. 01:20:09
OK, so let's begin. 01:20:12
So this is a pretty generic sign. 01:20:16
They call it a. Is their standardized MU TCD? 01:20:20
Green, you've seen this everywhere U dot. 01:20:23
You guys did this science, right? These are you guys. 01:20:29
Yep, all the way. 01:20:33
If you like it, do you guys like it? I don't know. We'll go. So this is the option one I wanted to show the differences between. 01:20:35
You know what we can offer there is the standard. 01:20:41
The next one I've noticed that I try to mimic. I think you guys have a few of these signs. Yeah, there's some up by the and by the 01:20:45
way. 01:20:48
We need to do all these signs. I don't know if we've had this discussion in terms of the decision sign, the confirmation sign of 01:20:52
the turn sign, so. 01:20:55
And and hopefully eventually we can do some toppers and. 01:20:59
Pavement markers so. 01:21:02
This is option 2. 01:21:04
So these are I would consider these your standard signs designed or whatnot, but. 01:21:06
This is what we're starting to get a little bit fancy. 01:21:11
OK. So listen, listen, you don't have to make a decision yet, OK? Again, this is subjective and you guys are making the decisions 01:21:16
or? 01:21:19
As a group, A committee to pitch them right. So if you guys want to sit on this or if you need more iterations, this is a talking 01:21:22
point. 01:21:26
Especially I'm a little nervous that we've got so many people in the room, not everybody's gonna like the color blue, so. 01:21:31
Let's just let's just talk about that. 01:21:35
I will talk about the iconography later. 01:21:39
In the slides but. 01:21:42
Again, it's subjective. This is a, this is what do we call this? This is a non standard enhanced design. 01:21:43
And again, you guys don't have a style guide, so I kind of had to go off. 01:21:51
Of what I felt there are there are some color schemes, yeah, so there, yeah. 01:21:54
Yeah. 01:22:01
I think the style guide he sent me included maybe some colors. 01:22:02
I don't know about the typography. 01:22:06
Again, we can all decide that moving forward, I want you to pay attention to the shapes. 01:22:08
I want you to pay attention to maybe the iconography like I said. 01:22:13
Maybe your logo eventually. Here's another one. 01:22:17
Again, I this is this is purely aesthetic and we need to decide what direction we want to take tonight. 01:22:20
Whether or not you pick one or not so. 01:22:27
I would say this is more of a more modern vibe. 01:22:29
I try to stick to your Blues. 01:22:32
Your Blues were a little. 01:22:34
What do you say like? 01:22:35
Kind of faded a little bit, so I maybe darkened it for contrast. 01:22:37
Again, these are. 01:22:41
Yeah, more designs again. 01:22:44
Focus on the placement markers because we would love to see that as well. 01:22:46
Again. 01:22:50
They're subtle. You guys are saying these are all the exact same designs? I've only did 1 design. 01:22:52
I didn't. It's subjective. It's it's, it's, it's, it's in your subconscious, right when I go to this next slide. 01:22:56
Did you notice that there are three different types of bikes? 01:23:03
Did you? No, I didn't. OK. 01:23:07
Did you notice what orientation they were facing? I don't know why MUTCD faces that left. That doesn't seem like it's moving 01:23:09
forward. It seems like it's moving back but. 01:23:14
I chose and I hope you will choose. 01:23:19
The one on the far left purely for the. 01:23:22
Cultural change of cyclists. Bicyclists. 01:23:24
That we're more than just throwing on lycra and and speeding as fast as we can. We want to kind of. 01:23:28
Show a symbol that we are a community. 01:23:33
A variety of type of bikers so. 01:23:37
And this gives you an overview of six designs. 01:23:40
Again. 01:23:45
If you want to go down 1, you know. 01:23:46
A style. We can do that or you know. 01:23:48
If you hate them all, don't tell me over the mic because. 01:23:50
I work with Orem City and I tell you they they were brutal. 01:23:52
So yeah, I think. 01:23:57
If I'm wrong. 01:23:59
Chris wanted to make a decision tonight. 01:24:02
He's not here. 01:24:04
So what would you guys like to do moving forward? 01:24:06
One question I have is I believe there are regional trail wayfinding standards. There are county. Yes there are. MAG MAG has some 01:24:09
that we can follow as well which I believe is option 6. 01:24:16
So if you don't want to get fancy and if you don't want to expand your brand, especially when Utah City comes into play. 01:24:22
That's your guys S decision for sure. 01:24:28
If you guys want to maybe play with it a little bit and make it more. 01:24:31
User friendly or you know. 01:24:35
Aesthetically different than say, like Orem. 01:24:37
Kind of stand out a little bit different. You can do that as well, so. 01:24:41
Do you have thoughts? I don't love option 2. 01:24:49
I don't either. 01:24:53
Basic sorry. 01:24:54
Well, I'm fine. 01:24:56
Axing that one. 01:24:58
Well, and also as I was sitting here, we were talking about. 01:25:00
Multimodal. 01:25:04
Ways of getting around? I don't have any symbols other than a bike. 01:25:08
I don't know if that's a problem for you, I've seen other. 01:25:12
Actually, if you look at the option 6:00, they have a person walking right. 01:25:14
And I didn't put any other. 01:25:18
Icons on there purely just to not. 01:25:21
We can do that. I just didn't so. 01:25:24
So again, if we had a solid solidified style guide. 01:25:29
Then you could just be like actually dude, go to page 6. 01:25:33
You're not following our style guide at all. 01:25:36
So yeah, again, down the road if you guys need help with that, I have extensive experience with multiple cities of. 01:25:39
Creating that. So Anthony, is that something that we could? 01:25:46
Have staff send over to them the whatever communication style guide we've got. 01:25:49
I know that option 6 essentially exists. It does, yeah. 01:25:53
I want to be. 01:25:58
Thoughtful around. 01:25:59
Making sure. 01:26:01
I don't care how good a sign looks, if it mismatches other places in the city, that's the worst, right? So I, I would want to make 01:26:02
sure that, yeah, it's just a cohesive strategy, especially moving forward with Utah City, right? I think that we're not changing. 01:26:07
Yeah. Our our goal with this whole being hired is to give you standards that you can basically, essentially do yourself. You don't 01:26:12
need to. 01:26:17
Rewrite it or yeah. 01:26:23
And I'm a different opinion from other people, but I am. 01:26:25
Very much in support of having Vineyard branding in Utah City, not Utah City branding, so I agree. I like your logo too, by the 01:26:29
way. It's very clever. 01:26:34
Just ripped it off for him. I know what you did. 01:26:39
I see what you got. 01:26:41
Be fine recommending that we adopt the. 01:26:45
The family bike as part of our good style guide yeah, I think that's what I want to discuss first was the iconography of that. Do 01:26:48
you like that idea? I ripped this off from Salt Lake. They've got this on their new trails and. 01:26:55
It seems to be I know in probe. I live in Provo so. 01:27:02
We're actually fighting this right now because. 01:27:05
You guys are great. 01:27:08
I feel like something like that. 01:27:11
Where we have the. 01:27:12
The consistent. 01:27:15
I don't know the words messaging, consistent messaging. 01:27:18
The style of it in with everybody else and what they're doing and if the unique thing is that we do the family bikes and yeah, 01:27:22
that's great. 01:27:25
Cool. OK. 01:27:29
So we can agree on that. Is there any particular shape? 01:27:30
Do we want to get creative again? I don't know your budget. I don't know how much it costs to actually do a cut out like that, so 01:27:35
I'm not going to. 01:27:38
Pretend no. 01:27:42
I think it's. 01:27:43
Safe to say. 01:27:44
That we don't have unlimited budget. 01:27:46
If that's the case, I would probably stay away from number one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Pretty, pretty standard, I think is fine knowing 01:27:50
that things can get stolen, damaged that are for sure to replace. 01:27:54
Honestly, like just a quick look. 01:27:59
Like 6-4 and three feel like they fit in the most with what we've already got going on. That doesn't mean it has to continue that 01:28:01
way, but. 01:28:05
Those are those tend. 01:28:08
Kind of aligned with the color scheme and things that we've got throughout the city already. 01:28:10
Those are my initial thoughts. Again, do you notice the different colors that I did choose we can change like let's say four and 01:28:14
three. I changed the color to actually reflect the logo, right? 01:28:20
That would probably be better in my opinion, but. 01:28:25
Again, I did that for contrast sake, so. 01:28:28
I do like the deeper blue, but I mean. 01:28:31
I know I don't mean it. I'm just I'm pushing you guys into a modern era guys. You guys when you tell city comes around, you guys 01:28:34
gonna look hot. But what essentially what I think we can do as as a group is. 01:28:39
Make recommendations, even if it's not just one and say here's some options that we're OK with perfect and the council can make a 01:28:44
decision. Wonderful. Is there anything else you need for me? 01:28:48
So maybe. 01:28:53
So maybe look at something like this but put are you talking about #6? 01:28:55
OK. 01:29:00
Throw in the iconography, what about the arrows as well? Do you notice the difference in arrows? Do you like the contrast of 01:29:02
arrows on the more? 01:29:06
I think 6 and 2 are the only different type of arrows, but the rest are. 01:29:11
Kind of a more modern. 01:29:16
More contrasty. 01:29:18
You got to really pitch them right. What do you guys think? 01:29:21
Should we? Should we take a vote? OK. 01:29:24
Oh, she's not here yet. Get out here. Go. Go bake some bread. Or what are you doing? 01:29:27
Because you're Baker. You're literally a Baker. Oh my gosh. 01:29:33
You guys OK. 01:29:35
Not not not real passionate one way or another on the arrows. Honestly, I'm OK, that's not my area of. 01:29:39
Expertise or nitpick or passion? 01:29:45
I love the idea of just being able to highlight the. 01:29:48
The locations of different things, like where's the nearest restroom? Where's. 01:29:52
Where's this park you would be, you would be shocked at how more difficult it is than that. Just just based on the locations, what 01:29:57
what amenities and what, you know, different parks, like how do we prioritize parks, right? Is it a bigger park or is it a. 01:30:03
So anyways, it's just. 01:30:10
Going down the rabbit hole of wayfinding, it's kind of crazy to me so. 01:30:11
Yeah, I mean, I'd say. 01:30:15
3:00 and 4:00. 01:30:16
Our favorites line. 01:30:18
And willing to concede Essex. 01:30:21
OK, how about I will send you individual. 01:30:23
Pieces of artwork for 3-4 and six. You guys kidding? That works for me. OK. 01:30:27
OK, great. Thank you so much. Appreciate your time. 01:30:32
Thank you. 01:30:34
I do expect this to be so in Mexico City. The subway. The iconography for Mexico City subway is phenomenal. 01:30:37
Do you have a picture? 01:30:45
It's incredible, each subway. 01:30:46
Hat Station has its own. 01:30:48
Symbol and like. 01:30:51
Each of our parks needs a little. Well, I'm gonna. 01:30:53
Going to get on my soapbox here for a minute. 01:30:57
It was designed for. 01:30:59
People who? 01:31:01
Obviously live in Mexico City but in also surrounding areas. 01:31:04
Where the? 01:31:09
Primary language spoken isn't Spanish, but is native language. 01:31:10
Nawatal or mine or whatever. 01:31:15
And so the. 01:31:18
The goal was to say, well, we want something that's recognizable by name, but we also want that name to be recognizable by a 01:31:20
symbol also. So if you don't speak Spanish. 01:31:24
Then you know. 01:31:28
The distinct symbol and it's easy to recognize and easy to remember. So that's the expectation that I have. 01:31:31
Her. 01:31:37
OK. 01:31:43
Next. 01:31:45
Any staff or Commission reports? 01:31:46
Sponsor sponsorship opportunities. 01:31:50
OK. 01:31:52
Well, I just want to thank you first of all for sticking around this long. We don't usually take this time. 01:32:01
We try to get. 01:32:08
Out of here by 7. 01:32:09
So, uh. 01:32:10
You're sure to be. 01:32:13
Here shorter than this next time you're. 01:32:16
You're here for a meeting, so. 01:32:19
I encourage you to keep coming. 01:32:20
So while this loads. 01:32:24
This section here is not going to be one that we need to make a decision right away. 01:32:26
But it will be an opportunity to introduce some things that needs to be done in the background. 01:32:30
While we continue to brand. 01:32:36
You know our ATC. 01:32:38
And also grow as a city. 01:32:40
So. 01:32:43
Give it a minute. 01:32:48
Right. So I'll talk about some sponsorship opportunities that we have. 01:32:53
Oh, we need to take advantage of. 01:32:58
As a Commission. 01:33:00
Just give it a second. 01:33:05
The irony. 01:33:36
Let Internet piece out. 01:33:40
Anthony, who's the target? 01:34:07
Audience for the sponsorship opportunities at local businesses. Yeah, OK. 01:34:09
Local businesses. 01:34:14
And we can go outside of local businesses as well. 01:34:16
And one of the things we want to do. 01:34:19
While this is trying to restart itself is. 01:34:22
I want to start from. 01:34:25
The sponsorship needs. 01:34:28
There's so many needs that we have. 01:34:32
As a Commission, but. 01:34:34
Has not been fully outlined. 01:34:36
Yet. 01:34:38
So. 01:35:00
Want to be able to start talking about? 01:35:06
Various needs that we have. 01:35:10
As a Commission. 01:35:12
And. 01:35:14
How we can effectively bring the Community together under the Active Transportation Commission. 01:35:16
And how much it's going to cost to do all these things. So that's going to be one of the first things that we need to start 01:35:21
talking about. 01:35:25
Making very clear goals and needs. 01:35:28
By our Commission, right? And once that's done? 01:35:31
We're going to be able to pitch it out to. 01:35:36
Other companies and people that might be interested in this same. 01:35:39
Number of things that we need to get done in our city. 01:35:45
And before we even get started on going out to ask for money from anybody, we need to be well branded, right? We don't even have a 01:35:48
logo. 01:35:52
And we have some markups that I wanted to show as well my computer. 01:35:56
Unfortunately decided not to work. 01:36:01
The graphic designer just sat up straight when you said we didn't have a logo. 01:36:04
So we just. 01:36:12
Kind of have something little here that. 01:36:14
We wanted to share. 01:36:19
And pick some ideas that you might have in getting the logo in place. So even before this starts, this you know. 01:36:28
Comes up. I'll show you that. 01:36:35
Umm, the third thing I wanted to talk about is. 01:36:37
The opportunity for us to also sponsor. 01:36:44
Some, you know good courses going on within the. 01:36:47
You know. 01:36:51
The area within the region, right? 01:36:52
It does a lot of things for us. It doesn't only allow us to be out there. 01:36:55
It also gives a lot more people. 01:37:00
An understanding of how well we're growing. 01:37:04
And how? 01:37:07
How beneficial is going to be for people to just come and invest in our city? 01:37:08
Right. 01:37:12
We've been approached by Bike Utah. 01:37:14
To sponsor. 01:37:16
One of their summits that's going to be happening sometime in August. We don't have to make a decision right now. 01:37:18
I shared the packets with you. 01:37:25
We have. 01:37:27
In our Budget $3000. 01:37:28
Spend, pretty much, but we can. 01:37:31
Technically spend about $800.00 on sponsorships on events. 01:37:34
And. 01:37:39
You know, little things outside of bike month. 01:37:40
Last year we did a clever thing by just pruning the activities of Bike Month and. 01:37:43
Literally. 01:37:49
A few activities that were really solid, a lot more involving everyone that made it to those activities had a lot of fun. 01:37:51
We're doing something like that and even better this time around. 01:37:59
And the whole idea. 01:38:02
For wanting to be able to sponsor. 01:38:06
Thing you know, activities and events. 01:38:09
The fact that we can also tell people about our events, not only about ATC. 01:38:12
But many other events happening in the city. 01:38:16
So the benefits goes beyond. 01:38:19
Just the ATC and being out there. 01:38:22
It's about Vineyard and. 01:38:25
You know, projecting the fact that it's a great place to be and live. 01:38:27
Unfortunately, my presentation is still not pulling up so I can share all these things. I can probably share in an e-mail. 01:38:32
Yeah, let's do that. 01:38:38
And the last thing I wanted to talk about. 01:38:40
Which is on my presentation. That's not showing up. 01:38:42
Is going to be. 01:38:45
An opportunity to. 01:38:48
Get some money for local projects and events. 01:38:51
The Arch Commission. 01:38:55
Has some grants available. 01:38:56
Up to I think 35. 01:38:59
$1000 this year. 01:39:02
To be allocated. 01:39:05
And this opens up in February. 01:39:07
For application. 01:39:09
So as a Commission, we could apply. 01:39:11
And possibly get all 35,000. 01:39:14
Apply with our own internal. 01:39:17
Arch Commission, is that what you're saying? Yep. OK. 01:39:19
We can and individuals can do that. It's meant to. 01:39:21
Be for projects. 01:39:25
That make Vineyard a better place. 01:39:27
So I want us to start thinking about it. 01:39:29
But before we even start this application. 01:39:33
I want to circle back on our needs because it's all going to be part of the sponsorship package that we want to. 01:39:35
Put together because a lot more businesses coming into the city. 01:39:40
And there's always a lot more out there that we can bring in. 01:39:44
If we prepare ourselves better. 01:39:48
Does there's money for us to spend? 01:39:52
And there's money to be gotten, so we need to plan for that as well. 01:39:54
That's all I have for now. 01:40:00
Thank you. 01:40:03
Thanks. 01:40:05
OK. All right, we'll move on to staff and Commission reports. 01:40:21
So we had put together. I can go first if you're OK with that. 01:40:27
We put together. 01:40:31
Calendar of. 01:40:34
Bike Month. 01:40:35
Activities. Ideas. 01:40:37
I'll send. 01:40:41
Does Anna have that? 01:40:44
Calendar still. 01:40:46
Oh, it's on there. Perfect. That'll be part of the e-mail. 01:40:47
Excellent. All right, perfect. 01:40:50
And then? 01:40:52
I maybe. 01:40:54
Informally have started adding. 01:40:57
Other activities so at the year that we can do. 01:41:00
Like back to. 01:41:04
School ride that we did this past August, which was great and all three of us enjoyed it. 01:41:06
And then? 01:41:13
Oh, right before Christmas we had a bike. The lights. 01:41:17
Event which was. 01:41:21
Not publicized very well or planned very well. 01:41:23
But next year is gonna be. 01:41:27
Even better. 01:41:28
So that would be. 01:41:31
Good to figure out how we can. 01:41:32
Just incrementally add. 01:41:35
And things to that. 01:41:37
That's yeah, that's pretty much it. 01:41:39
Not really a report but more of a question on the 400 S. 01:41:43
Extension into holdaway fields. 01:41:51
I was wondering if. 01:41:54
Umm, it. 01:41:57
If I guess when that is programmed to be happening and if we can provide. 01:41:59
Comments or input on the design of that road? 01:42:05
When it. 01:42:10
Is happening or if we're too late to provide. 01:42:11
Comments on that? 01:42:17
Sorry I don't have a mic over there but. 01:42:33
Yeah, I don't know if you want me to wait till after, but yeah. So missing the door for the works director as the engineer. 01:42:35
Not bigger. 01:42:43
I am, yes, I am the bread eater. 01:42:47
But. 01:42:52
Yeah. Specifically about 400 S on that. The timing on that is tied to the developing agreement. 01:42:53
And I think, correct me if I'm wrong, but it's on the. 01:42:58
Issuance of the first certificate of occupancy of the second phase of. 01:43:02
Hallway fields if I'm not mistaken. 01:43:07
Which doesn't provide a actual date. 01:43:10
To it, but it's. 01:43:13
It's a. It's a condition. 01:43:15
On that, obviously the success of the developer on selling homes obsolete leads to the success for the city. 01:43:17
You know, we want that win, win situation across the board. 01:43:23
So that kind of addresses the timing portion of it. 01:43:26
I believe if you want to get a better understanding of like. 01:43:30
The developer's anticipation Anthony could probably follow up with you all that one specifically, but in regards to this foreigner 01:43:34
South. 01:43:37
The design on it, so it's more of a preliminary design that's been. 01:43:41
Done and sure to because we entered into a. 01:43:44
What they call a betterment agreement with the developer. 01:43:48
For share costs. 01:43:52
On that specifically, so the cross section itself. 01:43:54
Has been determined in order to come up with that betterment agreement. 01:43:57
But it's more of a preliminary design, so. 01:44:01
Again, there are opportunities when that does get presented and could come through. 01:44:04
For, you know, staff to involve. 01:44:09
The stakeholders as necessary. 01:44:11
I believe. 01:44:15
From when we first. 01:44:17
Had, I think when we first did deployment design, it was mainly just to get something on paper so we can enter into that contract 01:44:19
agreement. 01:44:23
Developer, but I obviously. 01:44:27
We recognize that things change and needs change and so forth. 01:44:29
So we always want to make sure until concrete is in the ground and asphalt is paved and so forth. 01:44:33
We want to make sure that we provide that the opportunities for. 01:44:38
For that flexibility. 01:44:40
For example. 01:44:42
I think since the development agreement. 01:44:44
And to present day. 01:44:46
Or I'm saying we've had several talks with Arm City to include. 01:44:49
Today. 01:44:52
Over there, engineers. 01:44:53
In regards to Orms desire to. 01:44:55
Improve the. 01:44:57
Improve. 01:45:01
The bikeability, walkability of the session leading up to Lakeside Park. 01:45:03
And of course, Vineyard City is going to have. 01:45:07
Several parks. 01:45:11
West of that. 01:45:12
Going into Holloway fields and. 01:45:13
The you know, the common sense and you know, don't report me to the engineering society. 01:45:15
About that, actually, I go there tomorrow. 01:45:21
For a conference, but you know, they might kick me out, but the common sense would provide to ensure that we. 01:45:23
Are able to flex and match that so we can provide a uniform. 01:45:29
Type connectivity. 01:45:35
On that long answer to your short question. 01:45:36
No, that's great. So you're saying? 01:45:39
The existing portions of 400 S. 01:45:41
We are planning to change the design of that. I'm going to say change it, but we're, I mean we have the opportunity to make 01:45:45
revisions and. 01:45:49
And get feedback and inputs. 01:45:53
When the one portion on it is. 01:45:55
Excuse me, the. 01:46:01
Church building that's going up on the corner of. 01:46:02
400 S and. 01:46:05
Main Street. There we go. Sorry. 01:46:08
On that and that's a small session, so. 01:46:09
They're going to be need to put in their Rd. section in order to provide connectivity. 01:46:12
For access. 01:46:16
Portion of it. 01:46:18
Might, but by no means is that, like I said, in stone. 01:46:19
In terms of that, that's like a short section. 01:46:23
On there where the. 01:46:26
Developers placing. 01:46:27
Pedestrian flashers in the roundabouts. 01:46:30
Soon, let's see when they get, I mean, they, I know they've been ordered. We have some discussions on that. 01:46:34
So we'll be able to make those accommodations to. 01:46:38
Make that Feng shui. 01:46:42
Happened across board. 01:46:44
Yeah, cool. 01:46:47
Yeah, thank you. No problem. 01:46:50
And again, by all means, like I said, if you want to reach out to Anthony, we can. 01:46:51
If you there's specific information you want to get and. 01:46:56
It's never too early. Start talking to the developer. 01:46:59
To about. 01:47:03
Needs and desires and so forth. So this way when they do. 01:47:05
Come to the table with this. 01:47:08
What we're presenting our plan with. 01:47:11
You know, then we kind of get ahead of that talking board, that board, so. 01:47:13
So it sounds like the width of the cross section of that road is set, is set. Yeah, it's it's meant to, it's their, their cross 01:47:17
section is meant to match the existing cross section of foreigner S Yeah. So what we actually do with that space? 01:47:24
Still change or? Yeah, I mean it just has to be compatible with. 01:47:32
The transportation master plan, like our numbers and so forth, we just want to make sure things are compatible. 01:47:40
On that and as well as. 01:47:44
Ensuring that. 01:47:48
You know that. 01:47:50
I guess we balance out the needs of all the users on the road. 01:47:53
I mean whoever, whoever they may be. 01:47:56
On that. So I mean, if you're asking like, you know, could we? 01:47:58
Change the change the striving in order to. 01:48:01
At the pedestrian. 01:48:04
Lane or bike lanes or? 01:48:07
Moped lanes or. 01:48:09
Go Kart lanes. The answer is always as an engineer. 01:48:11
We start off with my answer. Well, it depends on the situation. 01:48:14
And then it depends on. 01:48:17
Depends on the direction of the community of course. 01:48:20
Yeah, yeah. I feel like I'm getting long winded here, but just my motivation here is I think the cross section of the road is. 01:48:23
Is 42 feet. 01:48:31
And. 01:48:32
I, like most other people in Vineyard, live next to a 40 foot 42 foot Rd. that. 01:48:34
Has a sign that says 25 miles an hour. 01:48:42
And like I presented last time. 01:48:45
Most people do not drive 25 miles an hour. 01:48:48
Umm, it. 01:48:52
Yeah, yeah. So, yeah. So I mean. 01:48:53
Which is good, yeah. 01:48:56
And there's all yeah, there's always have brought my dating again. 01:48:58
So the 42 foot Rd. near my house. 01:49:00
Curve to curb. 01:49:06
There's plenty of people going 50 miles an hour on that road. 01:49:08
Yeah, it's unfortunate that especially like snowy conditions when like for example, Saturday and so forth. 01:49:11
Yeah, that's, you know, drive to the conditions. 01:49:17
Unfortunately. 01:49:20
I mean definitely not vineyard then definitely rather you should be able to drive faster on but. 01:49:22
I-15, I think we as all just this weekend, that's all three car accidents. One of them actually ran off the road, down the 01:49:26
embankment into the ditch. 01:49:30
Unfortunately. But yeah, I assume that we're not. 01:49:34
We're not going to. 01:49:37
Perpetuate. 01:49:41
Those conditions. 01:49:42
On this new road, but if there's anything that our Commission can do to help. 01:49:44
Prevent that. 01:49:48
We would love to. 01:49:51
Engage with that. Oh yeah, definitely. Like I said, I mean, Anthony is your single source of, you know, information. And I think, 01:49:52
like I said. 01:49:55
The more the more feedback that we. 01:50:00
From uh. 01:50:03
From actually the people actually using the roads and so forth. 01:50:04
The better offer we're at. 01:50:07
Great. Thank you. 01:50:09
Thanks for coming and staying the whole time too. 01:50:12
Thanks Sassim. 01:50:15
I just had two quick things. One is I attended the Utah Trail Network meeting. 01:50:17
That took place earlier this month. It was a virtual and in person meeting. 01:50:22
With a bunch of different entities and there'll be more information from Bike Utah and Mag that come out on that. 01:50:27
Which leads me to my next thing are. 01:50:32
Our trail map that is currently on our. 01:50:35
City website just celebrated its 14th anniversary and I. 01:50:38
So probably in need of an update. 01:50:43
And that's not one that we would look to another entity for. That's completely on us to update so. 01:50:47
Anthony, I'd love to. I'm happy to. 01:50:53
Work with somebody on that. 01:50:56
But it does need to be updated. It's got, yeah, it's 2008 plans, so. 01:50:59
Pretty outdated and I think there's some good things that we can share there and. 01:51:04
Maybe if we set a goal to. 01:51:08
Maybe make that one of the key? 01:51:10
Deliverables before bike month or something like that I think would be good. But yeah, happy to happy to take that on with you. 01:51:12
That's it. 01:51:22
Awesome. All right. 01:51:23
Go for it. 01:51:27
No. 01:51:29
No, I don't. 01:51:31
Go for it. 01:51:32
Sorry I didn't want to cut in, but definitely. 01:51:34
Anthony, I'll jump on top of that GIS stuff. 01:51:38
So. 01:51:41
It's a staff update. 01:51:44
Are you just real quick? I won't go on to all the. 01:51:46
All the moving parts in the in the city and. 01:51:52
Department, especially public works and engineering. 01:51:54
Never public works. 01:51:58
Always like to emphasize we work. 01:52:00
But the big probably some of the key things for specifically for the active Transportation Committee. 01:52:03
Just wanted to give updates on we did a kickoff meeting on several types of projects. 01:52:09
One being the London Heritage Trail. 01:52:14
Which connects. 01:52:16
The Canyon all the way down to. 01:52:18
Utah Lake at Vineyard City, they did a kickoff meeting on that. It's a. 01:52:21
Linda It's called Linden Heritage Trail. 01:52:27
They were the main, I guess initial sponsors back in the day. 01:52:29
Before, Anthony was here to make sure it was called Vineyard Heritage Trail. 01:52:34
But that be coming through 1600 N. 01:52:38
Area umm. 01:52:42
Connecting to the Marina. 01:52:43
So that's the veneer city part of that so that they kick off. 01:52:45
The other day last week I believe. 01:52:50
So timelines and so forth will be up and coming, but that and you dot. That's a U dot. 01:52:53
Is managing that project since it's getting federal money. 01:52:59
On that, so the other. 01:53:01
Kickoff meetings that we've had or the kickoff meeting for the. 01:53:04
This is a vineyard, the project, so I'll call it the Vineyard. 01:53:08
Trail connectivity enhancement. 01:53:12
Which is the which provides trail connectivity north-south. 01:53:14
I believe we talked about a couple times before. 01:53:19
It's going to enhance the. 01:53:21
Is going to enhance the. 01:53:25
Pedestrian. 01:53:28
Crosswalk at Center Street, right in front of Gammon Park. 01:53:29
We currently have a flasher there with a medium. 01:53:33
But enhance it with a hawk system which is a. 01:53:36
Hawk is. 01:53:39
Just as you know, engineers have to have fancy acronyms for stuff that makes us feel cool, but it's really just a high intensity 01:53:41
light. 01:53:45
To make sure people actually. 01:53:48
See it? 01:53:50
So most of the time you see them overhead. 01:53:51
On that, the other and then but also provide that connectivity of the trail. 01:53:54
And to the other trails currently when you crossover it. 01:53:58
It dies into gravel. 01:54:01
So the money is going to plan on. 01:54:03
Connecting into the Gammon Park. 01:54:06
Trail and potentially. 01:54:08
You know, provides pedestrian access onto Holloway Rd. as well. 01:54:10
So but that also with that project is the 400 S by Lakeview. 01:54:14
Park, Lakeside Park. 01:54:21
Yeah, like Side Park. 01:54:24
It's going to. 01:54:27
Improve that intersection. 01:54:29
Improving the. 01:54:32
Driveway exit or the driveway into the park will be realigned to be. 01:54:34
Nice and. 01:54:40
Perpendicular to the other. 01:54:42
Intersection. 01:54:43
Which? 01:54:45
Allows for drivers to be less distracted when they're trying to. 01:54:46
Make turns. 01:54:50
And then possibly we're also looking to enhancements of lighting, some signalized lights and so forth at that section, so. 01:54:51
We had kickoff and that's in conjunction partnership with Arm City. 01:54:59
Doing those as well, so I just wanted. 01:55:04
Those are the. Those are two and then. 01:55:06
U dot this is a UDOT initiated and lab project of. 01:55:09
They started. 01:55:14
Moving forward on the design. 01:55:15
For 800 N. 01:55:17
Which is Vineyard Connectors trail. 01:55:19
Which will go along the north side of Vineyard Connector. 01:55:22
From. 01:55:25
For vineyards specifically, connect all the way from Geneva. 01:55:28
And follow the Vineyard connector. 01:55:31
Kind of looping up. 01:55:33
And to the downtown area to go over the. 01:55:35
Future Vineyard Connector Overpass Bridge. 01:55:38
And and connecting to the. 01:55:41
Portion of that. So that's in design. 01:55:43
And then construction will happen after the designs are done. So I would expect it in the year. 01:55:46
Maybe or two depending on designs. 01:55:51
So those are those are the big key projects that are coming up that are specifically towards the active transportation. 01:55:55
Awesome, thanks for all the updates. It's really exciting to see all this come about. 01:56:02
OK. Definitely. I'll call. I'll definitely have to thank our planners to help push those things along. 01:56:08
All right. 01:56:17
How do we close this? 01:56:19
If there's nothing else. 01:56:21
All right. We'll adjourn the meeting. 01:56:23
Thank you. Thanks everyone for coming. 01:56:27
There we go. 01:56:31