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Call to Order/Invocation/Inspirational Thought/Pledge of Allegiance Vice-Chair Cris Johnson called the meeting to order at07am.
Consent Items 1.Approval of the Novemberh,24 Development Review Committee Meeting Minutes 2.Approval of the Decemberth,24 Development Review Committee Meeting Minutes.
Motion: CITY ENGINEER AND PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTORNASEEM GHANDOUR MOTIONED TO APPROVE ITEMS1 AND2 AT07AM. CITY MANAGER ERIC ELLIS SECONDED. ALL IN FAVOR VOTED YES: ELLIS, GHANDOUR, FLETCHER, AND JOHNSON. Business Items There were no items submitted.
Work Session
Planner Anthony Fletcher, who is also representing the Community Development Director Morgan Brim, introduced the applicant and the item. He provided a background on the landscaping.
Eric Magelby, the applicant, provided history on the plat. He laid out the background on the landscaping. He discussed the parking strip and landscaping requirements. Planner Fletcher presented the idea for visual aid. Mr. Magelby discussed the waterwise landscaping. He announced this as their proposal.
Director Ghandour asked about the cost difference. Mr. Magelby noted cents per square foot. Director Ghandour asked about the availability. Mr. Magelby said no. He added that he is unsure how durable it is for field usage. Discussion ensued.
Director Ghandour asked about the maintenance. Mr. Magelby noted that it is the HOA. Discussion ensued.
Director Ghandour discussed irrigation requirements. Mr. Magelby discussed their experience. Director Ghandour discussed some common misconceptions with irrigation.
City Manager Ellis asked about the pilot area. Mr. Magelby noted that it looked great but that it was a little different in the winter.
Vice-Chair Johnson asked about how often it gets watered. Mr. Magelby noted that he was unsure about the watering protocol. Mr. Magelby noted the intention was to conserve water. Director Ghandour appreciated the waterwise efforts. Mr. Magelby discussed the sod.
Director Ghandour noted a concern for the follow through on water or maintenance. Mr. Magelby discussed the HOA maintenance and the other landscaping on the site. Planner Fletcher asked for last questions.
Mr. Magelby noted that he considers it a minor amendment to the neighborhood plan. He requested consideration to follow through with it as a minor amendment. Planner Fletcher outlined the next steps. Mr. Magelby informed the committee of where they are at in their process.
Planner Fletcher noted that the code for how to decipher the approval steps. Mr. Magelby mentioned that he viewed it as public use space. Planner Fletcher asked for the committee’s thoughts. He shared his thoughts on the steps forward. Mr. Magelby discussed the changes that they are making and the intent behind it.
Director Ghandour likes waterwise design. He added that he thinks the community development director should dictate the steps forward. Discussion ensued.
Vice-Chair Johnson noted he likes the waterwise grass. He sees this as a minor change. Mr. Magelby appreciated the feedback.
Staff and Commission Reports There were no comments.
Adjournment Vice-Chair Johnson adjourned the meeting at38am. MINUTES CERTIFIED COMPLETE ON:CERTIFIED (NOTICED) BY: Madison Reed, Planning Technician

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	OK, it is.	00:01:46
	907.	00:01:48
	On April 3rd, 2025.	00:01:51
	We called the order of the.	00:01:55
	Meaning of DSC.	00:01:57
	Our first item will be consent items, umm, approval of the November 7th, 2024.	00:01:59
	USC minutes and after the December 19th.	00:02:04
	2024 DRC minutes do I have.	00:02:08
	A motion.	00:02:12
	For approval.	00:02:14
	I have a motion to approve. Give me a minute.	00:02:15
	One second, second.	00:02:19
	First one was the same, second from Eric.	00:02:20
	That's approved.	00:02:25
	Next item all in favor. All right, all right.	00:02:27
	Hi.	00:02:32
	There are no business items. We do have one more session in the public field has referrals amendment to approve landscaping plan	00:02:35
	and are you?	00:02:39
	And Anthony Fletcher will be.	00:02:44
	Even if the update.	00:02:47
	Alright, so umm.	00:02:52
	Do you have, Commissioner?	00:02:54
	Umm, the developer of Hote has.	00:02:55
	Expressed interest in.	00:02:59
	Add in another option.	00:03:01
	To the neighborhood plan, which affects the development agreement.	00:03:03
	Because the development agreement is linked to follow.	00:03:08
	Whatever landscape in.	00:03:11
	Umm, options that were provided in the neighborhood plan.	00:03:13
	So.	00:03:17
	They have expressed interest in adding another option.	00:03:18
	Which would allow.	00:03:21
	For grass.	00:03:23
	To be used.	00:03:24
	Umm, in the park strip.	00:03:26
	They're currently.	00:03:28
	Not allowed to do that, however, in uh, one of the homes that they have built.	00:03:30
	They were.	00:03:35
	They sampled that out. They put in the graph that they're proposing.	00:03:37
	Making them non compliant.	00:03:42
	So code enforcement is dealing with them at the moment, but they're.	00:03:44
	Hoping to have the option added to allow for that grant and we have Eric Mugabe here who is UMM.	00:03:48
	Going to educate us all on.	00:03:56
	The graph that he's proposing and the options that he would want to have added onto the existing, uh, neighborhood plan	00:04:00
	landscaping options. So.	00:04:04
	That's all we have here. I'll turn it over to Eric Mugabe.	00:04:10
	Yeah, sure.	00:04:15
	So just a little more.	00:04:17
	History on like kind of the existing platform when we're working to get umm.	00:04:19
	Our first house done. Could you kindly state your name and use the mic?	00:04:24
	Eric Mcgleby with UMM.	00:04:29
	All the way.	00:04:31
	You know our hold the way field development.	00:04:33
	Umm, just.	00:04:37
	But last summer we were working on our first house to get it right. Kind of rushing to get it done for the UMM.	00:04:39
	Freight of homes and we were putting in all the yard and we're still trying to kind of sort out the planner strip slide.	00:04:46
	And talk to, uh, Morgan Grimm with the Citi and just told them that we were.	00:04:53
	Umm, just because of the?	00:04:59
	And kind of the urgency to get ready for the parade of homes. We were, we were gonna put in the same.	00:05:03
	Umm, graph that we were hoping to use in the future with the understanding that if we didn't get approval, we would just carry it	00:05:08
	out. Umm.	00:05:12
	And put in a different a different option that fits the neighborhood plan. So it wasn't.	00:05:16
	Uh, just stating it's very, uh, we were very transparent that this was just a short term thing for the parade and that we realized	00:05:23
	we needed to get this resolved. So, umm, what we have?	00:05:29
	Found as we found a umm.	00:05:35
	That was developed.	00:05:39
	By the city of Salt Lake and Utah State University.	00:05:41
	To try and address this whole need for water umm requirements.	00:05:45
	And, umm.	00:05:49
	Lowering our water requirements for this.	00:05:50
	This area.	00:05:53
	And, umm.	00:05:54
	Based on what they you know, what they determined, it saves about 40% water on the UMM.	00:05:57
	Uh.	00:06:05
	Thing and we can if you want, we could play the the little presentation if you have more questions on that and so.	00:06:06
	But I'll, I'll go kind of go through and then we can kind of talk about it.	00:06:14
	But our and kind of looking at it, we need.	00:06:18
	We.	00:06:21
	We've really been trying to find a kind of a solution for the parking strips that would kind of.	00:06:23
	Meet the requirements of the city and when we.	00:06:28
	When we originally put this plan, one of the City Councilman sites was just like we need to have a water line timer strip option	00:06:30
	or or or.	00:06:35
	Requirement basically and so.	00:06:40
	What we've done is we've looked at kind of an option that we feel like we'll save the city substantial water over the existing	00:06:42
	plan in the.	00:06:46
	In the in the neighborhood plan of our development agreement.	00:06:52
	And.	00:06:56
	If you want to just maybe pull up the.	00:06:58
	Traditional low maintenance. This is the plan that's approved by the city. Not yeah, not that one, but.	00:07:01
	This traditional low maintenance.	00:07:12
	Oh, he's asking me.	00:07:16
	Do you have a free option right?	00:07:18
	1/2.	00:07:21
	Right, so, but uh, so the second one.	00:07:25
	Sorry.	00:07:28
	Personal maintenance.	00:07:33
	So what what we are proposing? Umm.	00:07:34
	Yes.	00:07:37
	Taking all of the sod that right now is just the normal spot and putting it into a water wise sod.	00:07:39
	That's been developed here for this climate.	00:07:47
	With the understanding that we would also be able to put it in the planner strip. Umm.	00:07:50
	So that really the change that we're making is kind of an addendum or an option to be is what I labeled it.	00:07:56
	Which basically allows us to have.	00:08:02
	Umm.	00:08:05
	Yeah, a water wise sod with the other and and based on our calculations, we think this will save the the city.	00:08:10
	Somewhere between 20 and 30% water usage on this on this option basically and that was.	00:08:17
	The main driver for.	00:08:24
	The.	00:08:26
	City requiring the planner strips be.	00:08:29
	Umm, as you described, kind of. I mean it. It basically states native native graphs and.	00:08:32
	What Water St. plans?	00:08:39
	So.	00:08:41
	That's our, that's our proposal. We think one, it'll be easier to maintain less, less weeds, but it's just as importantly just	00:08:42
	kind of the look of the neighborhood we're trying to get is to kind of keep it all consistent with.	00:08:49
	With kind of a, you know, a traditional walkable neighborhood.	00:08:56
	And we think this option basically is better for the city because it saves, you know, substantial water. And what we're saying is	00:09:01
	we'll commit.	00:09:04
	To putting in the water wide lawn.	00:09:08
	Not only in the planner script, but in the, umm, the rest of the art, even though it's it's a little bit more expensive than	00:09:10
	traditional thought.	00:09:14
	So that's that's the proposal is.	00:09:19
	Adding a.	00:09:22
	My earchings which I don't think umm.	00:09:24
	Deviates from kind of the spirit of what we were trying to accomplish in the original three options.	00:09:27
	Yeah, so I have a question now. I'll send it to you. Umm, for the worst thing here, but umm.	00:09:33
	What's the cost difference between, uh, this thousand, $0.50 a square foot difference, uh, additional?	00:09:38
	Yeah. And then, uh, the also, uh, the availability for suppliers, uh, for, uh, availability for suppliers for this type of	00:09:44
	solitaire is a very limited no, no, I mean, we're able to get it within a week last year and it's, it's becoming very.	00:09:52
	In fact, it's probably something that that.	00:10:00
	Wha what we don't know what what what we don't know is how durable it is for like a park or something because there's a lot of	00:10:03
	there there isn't a lot of traffic. These are just front yards with sidewalks and planner strips, but.	00:10:09
	I know that other other municipalities, we're talking to Southwater, UMM, Conservancy District for our project. We have a project	00:10:15
	up in there in their area as well.	00:10:20
	So I think there's a lot of people in in the original umm.	00:10:25
	From a video that was on the that we sent, it said.	00:10:30
	You know, they would have sold out, but that was like 2 years ago and I think they've been developing it.	00:10:34
	So I think we're comfortable that we can get it.	00:10:40
	On a timely matter, umm.	00:10:42
	There's thought farms now that are just, you know, they're actively.	00:10:44
	Playing again, yeah, Uh yeah. Uh, the main reason I was asking specifically for this case is.	00:10:48
	Uh, so.	00:10:54
	Landscaping, umm, on the like, on the inside of the sidewalk between the house and the sidewalk is obviously the homeowners.	00:10:55
	Uh, responsibilities, uh, and then the partnership itself.	00:11:03
	Technically as being the.	00:11:06
	Uh, actually for our, for our development, uh, we're, we're responsible for putting in the front yard. So either the HOA, well	00:11:08
	actually just as part of our, when we sell the house, OK.	00:11:14
	But in regards to the locker maintenance and so forth, it sounds like I mean surprise.	00:11:19
	And the and the planner starts overall maintained by the HOA on our.	00:11:25
	Ones that are in the plus 55 yeah, I understand that but yeah, like I said, umm in regards to the maintenance, that's that's	00:11:29
	correct I mean I mean it's kind of it's inside the city by the way, I, I the question I just have is I just wanna make sure that	00:11:34
	there's a way to make sure that's clear because.	00:11:38
	Where it does, uh, work does happen within the participating because it's part of the uh.	00:11:43
	Uh, part of the right away in terms of maintenance and also there's, uh, umm, utilities that are on the, on the private property.	00:11:49
	Uh, where you have, uh, some private company, other, uh, utility companies like, uh, the power company.	00:11:59
	Umm, uh, you may have the power company, gas company, telecommunication companies are on the line, and so forth.	00:12:04
	Umm, and.	00:12:09
	Umm, if, when they go typically with dogs, so forth, they, you know, they come out, they place it back, but then there's kind of	00:12:11
	instances where they actually have, uh, they bring in.	00:12:16
	Uh, thought in order to replace it, because what they did is that I damaged it to the point where they just saw back.	00:12:20
	Uh, I wanna make sure that, uh.	00:12:28
	Is there a mechanism? Uh, where the ho?	00:12:30
	Well considered, maybe you'll have answer is uh, well, I mean I I the way I would.	00:12:33
	Consider it is like, let's just say there was just ornamental grasses there and they tore them up and they had to replace them.	00:12:38
	We'd have to get approval then.	00:12:44
	Put them in and we just say we're replacing with thought. It has to be this type of side. I don't think this type of side is going	00:12:46
	away. I think it's becoming more and more prevalent.	00:12:50
	Like I said, I think if it shows that aware as well, people will put it.	00:12:55
	Where they have high traffic on their grasses as well.	00:12:59
	Umm, we didn't really worry about that part of it because it was really primarily for.	00:13:02
	It's kind of from our.	00:13:07
	But yeah, I mean, I think we just.	00:13:09
	Stipulates.	00:13:11
	They carry it out. We have to put in the same type of thought or start up and put in.	00:13:12
	You know, I mean, it's, it's gotta be one of the things that's approved in the.	00:13:18
	In the development plan, in the, in the neighborhood plan, yeah, uh, the factory, uh, and maybe I should know this answer, but uh,	00:13:22
	is it HOA?	00:13:27
	Uh, like the, where they are just the H way, managing the maintenance of the truck strips and the front yards or like make like in	00:13:31
	the grass cutting in the, in the laundry, fertilizing. It's not the, it's not the homeowners, umm.	00:13:38
	In the active adult community, the larger lot than the ones we have along, umm, Stillwater.	00:13:46
	And all of Cadence, uh, I think the homeowners are responsible for that.	00:13:53
	OK, I'll wait for the active adult Canadian. Just make sure that uh, I mean for our interns because I just think about doing.	00:13:57
	Uh, when we prove uh, encroachments, uh, Christmas permit in order to allow utilities to go in.	00:14:03
	Other intelligence because and or even service.	00:14:08
	Uh, that's, uh.	00:14:11
	To test deflation about cont, uh, coordinate with the HOA in regards to, uh, long restoration this way, because the one thing that	00:14:13
	he doesn't want to do is we don't want your business so.	00:14:18
	Uh, doing specialized bonds. And then the other aspect is, and we don't want to, and we don't want anyone in the detriments where	00:14:24
	the.	00:14:28
	People that now.	00:14:33
	Yeah. And it's like, uh, the utility company comes in and just puts in whatever crabgrass they, uh, they start by then, uh,	00:14:34
	because they didn't know that there was a specialized prospects, you know. So I think that if you have that, yeah, I think, I	00:14:39
	think that's in place in the development agreement on our CCRS and everything. But yeah, we could, we could.	00:14:44
	Solidify that somehow, I say if you're I, I wouldn't be worried about it just because I know it's a false chance. I think, yeah,	00:14:51
	no, I I mean, it's going to be.	00:14:55
	I think.	00:15:01
	Just letting him know, Hey, you can't just take any fat, you know, for the chance your aviation requirements at all in terms of	00:15:02
	because I know there was a push, there was a push, uh.	00:15:07
	At the same level about uh.	00:15:12
	It says, you know, like pop up heads, uh, aspirates the feeling like umm umm.	00:15:14
	What are they called? And we would assume that we would spray tests. We would I, we, we talked about making sure that we spray	00:15:21
	towards the sidewalk so there's no water going in. If it hits the sidewalk, it's gonna come back into the grass. But I, I mean,	00:15:26
	when we put them in last year, we didn't see a lot of.	00:15:31
	Water on that and I think.	00:15:38
	Umm, you know, clearly if you had a good system in there, probably minimize it a little bit more, but I think we make up for that	00:15:41
	more than make up for that by.	00:15:45
	Switching the thought out on the on the rest of the pro on the.	00:15:51
	Front yard, finally.	00:15:55
	Nature is managing those from our system, right? Yeah, OK.	00:15:57
	Uh, the other aspect is sometimes homeowners, uh, you know the best intentions, they don't know that especially when they move to	00:16:01
	a new house, they have the irrigation system.	00:16:06
	Is on for new graph and then.	00:16:10
	Typically after a few, like after a month or so, they're supposed to turn down, lower the homework. So which is what we did last	00:16:13
	summer. We, you know, we watered a little heavy for the first five or six weeks to get the roots in and then we switched it away	00:16:18
	back down. Yeah.	00:16:22
	Bye.	00:16:28
	I don't have, I don't have any questions. Uh are uh, I mean when uh are for the city, uh, for the other works and they are.	00:16:29
	I say the arborist who's out town this week so kinda going into take a look at it. You may have some follow up questions but I'll	00:16:37
	have them contact you directly.	00:16:40
	OK.	00:16:45
	One quick question, uh, in your.	00:16:46
	Uh, pilot area.	00:16:49
	How, how did it end up looking? Is it as green as people like it? They look great. I mean, it, it looks a little different in the	00:16:51
	winter because they're using these kind of native grasses. So it's got a little bit of a.	00:16:55
	Purple, which look to it but.	00:17:02
	I mean, I can show you pictures of it through the summer it looks.	00:17:06
	I think that looks really well. I mean, I don't know if you were able to get out and look at it. I I couldn't tell any difference	00:17:09
	from.	00:17:12
	Regular graphs Umm.	00:17:15
	So.	00:17:18
	Right.	00:17:19
	So this water, this grass uses 20% less water. So does this water grass get water every day yellow or is it every other day?	00:17:22
	Umm, I, I think we just turned down the amount of water by 40, you know, 40%. So I think we do kind of a.	00:17:30
	I don't, to be honest, I don't know what our standard.	00:17:36
	Watering.	00:17:40
	Protocol is in terms of uh.	00:17:41
	If you're watering every every day or every other day, I know we were watering.	00:17:45
	Umm, every day when we were kind of first putting it in.	00:17:49
	Thanks.	00:17:54
	Any more questions?	00:18:00
	One point I think that maybe.	00:18:08
	The the main issue I think.	00:18:11
	For going, I think it was really a water conservation issue, not a not an aesthetic issue. Umm, and it was really tight. It was, I	00:18:13
	mean basically.	00:18:17
	I'm not gonna approve the plan unless you have.	00:18:21
	A Washington Washington some sort of water, water conservative type of approach. So I feel like from a the spirit of the.	00:18:26
	The project this is actually.	00:18:32
	I haven't talked to him about it but.	00:18:35
	And different council and everything now, but I think.	00:18:38
	The the spirit of this was to save water and I think this approach actually takes more water for the city, which is which is a	00:18:40
	benefit and.	00:18:43
	Aside from the other benefits of like you think it's.	00:18:48
	It's gonna be much easier to maintain and look better and all those kind of things.	00:18:50
	No. And again, uh, I apprec. I appreciate that and I'll definitely, we're always, uh, pushing for a water.	00:18:54
	Uh, impact efforts And so it might also be.	00:18:59
	To be able to have something like this in the city where you can monitor it and then.	00:19:02
	When we put the parts in the next, you know in the next couple of years that and that's where you would have a huge savings in.	00:19:07
	In water.	00:19:13
	You feel like it, I just don't know how it would hold up with.	00:19:15
	Soccer.	00:19:20
	Kids running around and things like that, but it's not, we could kind of keep them kind of explore over the next year. Probably	00:19:22
	something you guys are looking for.	00:19:25
	You just come in.	00:19:28
	And it was developed here for the local community and and.	00:19:31
	I'm sure Utah State and the.	00:19:36
	Think it's all right and that are starting to collect you know and how.	00:19:38
	You know, have durable ideas for for activities. We don't worry about it because it was, you know, it was his front yard that	00:19:41
	weren't gonna be really locked on.	00:19:45
	Actually, uh, uh, in terms of apple work and so forth, I mean, we're always actively official for, uh, water conservation and so	00:19:49
	forth. And then we have different water weight coming up in a couple of, uh.	00:19:54
	Next month, uh, where we're going to uh.	00:19:59
	He's got a lot of fishing on that then.	00:20:01
	Umm, our I guess my biggest.	00:20:03
	My other concern is not really much of A concern system. A lot of times you could take that first and get put into it.	00:20:05
	And then on the.	00:20:11
	The follow through and the rescue now just paved the way in terms of the maintenance on it or the watering itself like so you	00:20:13
	people in these water wise type.	00:20:17
	Uh, I think, uh, type of items and then.	00:20:21
	Uh, people don't.	00:20:25
	Lower the water usage so then they become over watered and then you know so much water actually has a negative effect. As an	00:20:26
	example in Florida.	00:20:30
	Not people who would.	00:20:35
	Fire along the lot, especially with Saint Augustine grass. They love Saint Augustine grass. They're while you're waiting lunch and	00:20:36
	then they turn into having a lot of, uh, week, uh, because of that. And that's, that's, uh, take the way I have behaviours.	00:20:42
	And if you overwired it, you get the same thing. Luckily. Uh, I I wired my lawn maybe 3 * a year.	00:20:49
	Uh, Pennsylvania because of the because it was a very, it was a very water wise drop resistant type graph.	00:20:55
	It wasn't a previous book. Uh, that again?	00:21:01
	My biggest thing is just wanna make sure that this work is done on that, that we're not.	00:21:04
	That we have something in place that we're not that the contract or even the city.	00:21:08
	Uh, that has mechanism to ensure that all of your like all the good faith efforts that have been put into place.	00:21:11
	Is, uh, you know, the integrity is maintained. So we're not going in there and say.	00:21:18
	We just go to your Home Depot, find some whatever grass, throw it down there, and then next thing you know, that grass. Ever.	00:21:23
	Then I the the water wise grass and then you just have a big mess in your hands. That's all That's the biggest thing. I'm sorry.	00:21:30
	Sure that's a good point. I think umm.	00:21:34
	Kind of like a couple other things just in terms of.	00:21:40
	The fact that the HOA is gonna manage with all these your.	00:21:43
	They're gonna be motivated to keep the water down because they're.	00:21:46
	They're paying the water bill basically, so they'll wanna, they'll wanna make sure that.	00:21:49
	Yeah, we're we're.	00:21:55
	Dialing it into the to the minimum amount that we need to kind of keep it look looking the right way. So I think that I think	00:21:56
	there's AI think there's a natural incentive.	00:22:00
	To keep the water down. And the other thing I would make is, uh.	00:22:06
	Uh, it's a little bit kind of, umm.	00:22:10
	If you go back to the.	00:22:14
	The the original ones, the original one just yeah, the native.	00:22:16
	Shrubs and grasses that.	00:22:21
	There's no I mean low water St. planters is pretty.	00:22:25
	Subjective I mean I don't I don't know how the city would even be able to manage monitor like OK, are these native crafts is	00:22:30
	actually.	00:22:33
	Saving a lot of water versus something out. I mean, unless you go around and look at every species and like if someone.	00:22:37
	Replaces one grass with another grass. This where this is kinda uniformed across our whole development, you know?	00:22:43
	That will allow us to umm.	00:22:49
	Kind of control that better and not require you guys to, you know, having to feel like you have to go police when people replace.	00:22:54
	Crashes because there is no like specific.	00:23:02
	Thing in the in the neighborhood plan that.	00:23:05
	It has to be this amount of water per square foot or anything like that. It's still pretty subjective.	00:23:08
	In fact, I think it's some level you get almost a lot. We could almost argue that these are native grasses in the spot that	00:23:13
	they're redoing it.	00:23:17
	Doesn't even. I mean, it's just a different picture, but it.	00:23:20
	Kind of meets the verbiage of the.	00:23:23
	Probably the one that's already in there.	00:23:26
	So.	00:23:29
	Do you have any other questions?	00:23:36
	Do you have any other questions?	00:23:40
	Umm, I I, I mentioned to you.	00:23:44
	I believe based on the development agreement.	00:23:48
	This is what what I would consider a a minor umm.	00:23:50
	Amendment to the neighborhood 29 and and based on that.	00:23:54
	It seems like the.	00:23:59
	Ability to just approve this that uh.	00:24:01
	Economic development manager or whatever.	00:24:04
	Versus having to go through planning and then City Council and and everything I'd like to hopefully.	00:24:07
	At least half.	00:24:14
	You consider.	00:24:17
	That, you know, maybe that maybe.	00:24:18
	Maybe Morgan talked to me or whatever to say that this Do you feel like this is a.	00:24:23
	It's under the minor.	00:24:28
	The minor option, I mean it's.	00:24:30
	I'm working with I, I have it, I have it pulled up here. So, umm.	00:24:33
	If if we're to chat next steps we have.	00:24:38
	The you know the DRC would decide.	00:24:42
	Here if this would, I mean not right now, but DRC would.	00:24:45
	You know, ponder over this and decide if this is going to be a minor or.	00:24:50
	Umm a major amendment to the UMM Development Agreement and UMM.	00:24:56
	I thus say that.	00:25:01
	If it's COM, it's a minor amendment. The Community Development Director can approve this to happen.	00:25:03
	That means it doesn't have to go through.	00:25:11
	City Council and you know, all the other staff, Planning Commission, you know.	00:25:14
	But that's a kind of a logistics right now we're putting in the front yard with a lot of these our plan right now until we kind of	00:25:20
	get back.	00:25:24
	Some sort of thing we need to go through the whole process.	00:25:28
	We're planning on planning the street trees and then just.	00:25:31
	Waiting to hear whether we're gonna have to put ground cover or grass in there. So I mean in the in the code, I gotta say that	00:25:34
	minor changes in the conceptual location of.	00:25:39
	And public improvements on infrastructure.	00:25:46
	Could be approved by the UH director.	00:25:50
	So I don't know what that means up.	00:25:56
	This this seems like since it's a city.	00:25:59
	Parcel that.	00:26:01
	That could be interpreted to be the.	00:26:03
	Thank you.	00:26:06
	What about the the RC thing?	00:26:08
	About this, would we want to?	00:26:11
	We don't have to make a decision right now. We can think about it and get back to.	00:26:14
	The umm developer later, but.	00:26:20
	Would we want to consider this as a minor?	00:26:22
	Does make in this addition a shorter one?	00:26:25
	Or.	00:26:29
	A major one, but I just share my opinion if.	00:26:30
	We're gonna add a whole option.	00:26:35
	To the.	00:26:37
	Umm.	00:26:38
	Neighborhood plan, I think it should still go through.	00:26:40
	The process would not go through UH City Council for the final approving.	00:26:44
	Final approval could probably happen at BRC.	00:26:50
	But, uh, DRC and uh, Planning Commission.	00:26:54
	But umm.	00:26:58
	It's up to the rest of the Commission to decide. It's not up to me alone, but that's what I think because you're adding a whole.	00:26:59
	Option to what has been improved actually 2 your your amendment for the better.	00:27:06
	You know, changing the loan that you have in there to Waterwise 1.	00:27:11
	And also add in, you know AB of that. So I mean the way I would, the way I.	00:27:16
	I I understand that way. I would kind of view this as we're.	00:27:21
	We're taking option B the right option to.	00:27:24
	And we're we're still kind of meeting the the goal on the left, but we're we're just replacing out planner strip.	00:27:28
	One native grass with another native grass.	00:27:36
	That saves water. So it's we're we're not trying to.	00:27:38
	Kind of come up with a completely new thing. It's just getting kind of almost clarification on the sidewalk there, you know?	00:27:43
	With the idea that we're also.	00:27:49
	Committing to.	00:27:52
	Umm, it's still thought and everything, but we're committing to do a more water efficient spot on the on the rest of the house.	00:27:54
	But I'll leave that up to you guys to kind of determine. We're just anxious to get going because now is the time to plant perhaps	00:28:00
	in the next two or three weeks versus when it gets hot here. I mean, we were, we were challenged because we were.	00:28:07
	Putting this in for the phrase and.	00:28:13
	Umm, you know, the 1st of June when it was starting to get really hot.	00:28:15
	Oh, that's that's all I have to say from planning.	00:28:21
	For now.	00:28:24
	Uh, so that works at least. Uh, like I said before, we're always happy to see.	00:28:27
	Things that takes less water, uh, on that. So then personally, uh.	00:28:32
	It's what's green is green to me at the end of the day and it takes less water. I call it the.	00:28:36
	Uh, public screen type, uh, surf graph that you call us, I mean, uh.	00:28:42
	Uh, but there's, I mean for a reference to Saint Augustine's Ocean.	00:28:46
	Blue Turf Grass, which was the universe before the specialized, uh, genetically modified.	00:28:51
	Graph or graph ID or something genetically modified? We have love bugs.	00:28:57
	Uh, we got a lot of bugs which.	00:29:00
	All great. So we think it's guaranteed right though. So go go Gators. Uh for me.	00:29:01
	Umm, but uh, or behavior graph. I mean, I always my personal health, I always chose, uh, the one that made me with water or less	00:29:07
	because.	00:29:11
	I want to lower my bills and I appreciate everyone else want to do the same thing.	00:29:16
	Uh, ultimately the community development directors.	00:29:20
	Uh, call, I think, uh, his recommendation and in terms of whether it's measured change or not to the partnership itself.	00:29:23
	Umm, I'd like to have people smarter than me, uh, provide the final recommendation. Who? Who is our state?	00:29:30
	He has very, he has a lot of contacts with uh.	00:29:36
	Uh, Utah State University and so forth.	00:29:39
	Just to make sure, because, uh, at the end of the day, uh, he just wants to make sure whatever is planted in there, uh, for us.	00:29:42
	Uh, on that. So some of his comments may come back with.	00:29:47
	Uh, just, uh, some type of additional conditions in terms of, uh, planting.	00:29:51
	And maintenance and so forth. I would, I just wanna make sure that he has the opportunity to provide that that feedback because.	00:29:56
	Umm, you know the city is not gonna be maintaining it, but.	00:30:02
	We always want to build the, uh, make sure that, uh, whatever is being done is successful on that. So does that make sense to me	00:30:05
	with him or just you've got enough information in this way for the commitment on the driver? All right, office.	00:30:11
	Yeah, I'd be happy to talk to him. We've already got 3 streets that are approved like that. They're they're already on. Yeah. When	00:30:18
	are you talking to town? When he's back in town, it's always better to have a two way conversation. So he comes. He'll be back in	00:30:22
	town on Monday.	00:30:26
	And then, uh, I'll have.	00:30:30
	Is it OK if I just give him your contact? I'm giving you a contact number. He can just have a two way conversation. I'd like to	00:30:32
	actually.	00:30:35
	Talk to him anyhow because we're we're trying to figure out we have some.	00:30:38
	Umm, plants that didn't use in our behind our heads, we have some plants that did do too well in the in the.	00:30:43
	South Sun or West side some hydrangeas. So we've been getting some recommendations of.	00:30:51
	Keeping the same look, but trying to find something that's a little they they do really well up on the bench and Alpine and stuff,	00:30:57
	but.	00:31:00
	I guess the climate change is enough that it.	00:31:04
	It burned them pretty well, so I I'd love to just.	00:31:07
	Yeah, he'll be more happy like that, but, uh.	00:31:11
	He's a quiet type guy, but when you start talking trees and clients, he opens up. So we're, we're just following is, uh, is ours.	00:31:13
	That was really helpful for us, you know, kind of based on the height that you'll get where and I've heard you during, during the	00:31:23
	whole, during the, during the development process, right during the thing. I mean, you know, when you have this contact, feel free	00:31:27
	to reach out to him for questions and then, uh.	00:31:32
	About joint inspections, uh, our inspector and our Bristol be working in hand, so that's nice. So that's my, that's my other call.	00:31:37
	I I do like the idea of.	00:31:47
	Grass that takes less water. That seems to me this would be a minor change I believe, if we can.	00:31:49
	Talk to Oberst and their community develop directory. We could.	00:31:54
	Maybe make this decision in PRC?	00:31:57
	Right.	00:31:59
	Yep, appreciate it. Just anything.	00:32:01
	And kind of helping us smooth the process along with you. You've been ready.	00:32:04
	You know, we probably should have started this a couple more months ago. So we were ready to roll right now and that's probably	00:32:10
	more on us than than you, but.	00:32:13
	I'm anxious.	00:32:17
	Just get these houses.	00:32:19
	The front. It changes the whole look of the neighborhood when we get the yard zoom basically in the word.	00:32:21
	We're trying we hopefully in the next.	00:32:26
	Couple of months lost.	00:32:29
	Completed all that I will have started all the homes on Main Street, so while at least that Main Street completely.	00:32:30
	We wanna get, you know, we wanna get that completely landscaped and and ready to accomplish this.	00:32:36
	Two houses that we have.	00:32:41
	Kind of started the app that we're we're close to starting.	00:32:44
	So.	00:32:47
	Thanks.	00:32:48
	OK. Thank you.	00:32:50
	OK, I lost my phone. I lost my size at home.	00:33:02
	And then we'll be.	00:33:05
	End of April 17th, 325.	00:33:07
	All right.	00:33:11
	Yeah.	00:33:13
	I wanted to.	00:33:15
	I'll put this one.	00:33:16

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	OK, it is.	00:01:46
	907.	00:01:48
	On April 3rd, 2025.	00:01:51
	We called the order of the.	00:01:55
	Meaning of DSC.	00:01:57
	Our first item will be consent items, umm, approval of the November 7th, 2024.	00:01:59
	USC minutes and after the December 19th.	00:02:04
	2024 DRC minutes do I have.	00:02:08
	A motion.	00:02:12
	For approval.	00:02:14
	I have a motion to approve. Give me a minute.	00:02:15
	One second, second.	00:02:19
	First one was the same, second from Eric.	00:02:20
	That's approved.	00:02:25
	Next item all in favor. All right, all right.	00:02:27
	Hi.	00:02:32
	There are no business items. We do have one more session in the public field has referrals amendment to approve landscaping plan	00:02:35
	and are you?	00:02:39
	And Anthony Fletcher will be.	00:02:44
	Even if the update.	00:02:47
	Alright, so umm.	00:02:52
	Do you have, Commissioner?	00:02:54
	Umm, the developer of Hote has.	00:02:55
	Expressed interest in.	00:02:59
	Add in another option.	00:03:01
	To the neighborhood plan, which affects the development agreement.	00:03:03
	Because the development agreement is linked to follow.	00:03:08
	Whatever landscape in.	00:03:11
	Umm, options that were provided in the neighborhood plan.	00:03:13
	So.	00:03:17
	They have expressed interest in adding another option.	00:03:18
	Which would allow.	00:03:21
	For grass.	00:03:23
	To be used.	00:03:24
	Umm, in the park strip.	00:03:26
	They're currently.	00:03:28
	Not allowed to do that, however, in uh, one of the homes that they have built.	00:03:30
	They were.	00:03:35
	They sampled that out. They put in the graph that they're proposing.	00:03:37
	Making them non compliant.	00:03:42
	So code enforcement is dealing with them at the moment, but they're.	00:03:44
	Hoping to have the option added to allow for that grant and we have Eric Mugabe here who is UMM.	00:03:48
	Going to educate us all on.	00:03:56
	The graph that he's proposing and the options that he would want to have added onto the existing, uh, neighborhood plan	00:04:00
	landscaping options. So.	00:04:04
	That's all we have here. I'll turn it over to Eric Mugabe.	00:04:10
	Yeah, sure.	00:04:15
	So just a little more.	00:04:17
	History on like kind of the existing platform when we're working to get umm.	00:04:19
	Our first house done. Could you kindly state your name and use the mic?	00:04:24
	Eric Mcgleby with UMM.	00:04:29
	All the way.	00:04:31
	You know our hold the way field development.	00:04:33
	Umm, just.	00:04:37
	But last summer we were working on our first house to get it right. Kind of rushing to get it done for the UMM.	00:04:39
	Freight of homes and we were putting in all the yard and we're still trying to kind of sort out the planner strip slide.	00:04:46
	And talk to, uh, Morgan Grimm with the Citi and just told them that we were.	00:04:53
	Umm, just because of the?	00:04:59
	And kind of the urgency to get ready for the parade of homes. We were, we were gonna put in the same.	00:05:03
	Umm, graph that we were hoping to use in the future with the understanding that if we didn't get approval, we would just carry it	00:05:08
	out. Umm.	00:05:12
	And put in a different a different option that fits the neighborhood plan. So it wasn't.	00:05:16
	Uh, just stating it's very, uh, we were very transparent that this was just a short term thing for the parade and that we realized	00:05:23
	we needed to get this resolved. So, umm, what we have?	00:05:29
	Found as we found a umm.	00:05:35
	That was developed.	00:05:39
	By the city of Salt Lake and Utah State University.	00:05:41
	To try and address this whole need for water umm requirements.	00:05:45
	And, umm.	00:05:49
	Lowering our water requirements for this.	00:05:50
	This area.	00:05:53
	And, umm.	00:05:54
	Based on what they you know, what they determined, it saves about 40% water on the UMM.	00:05:57
	Uh.	00:06:05
	Thing and we can if you want, we could play the the little presentation if you have more questions on that and so.	00:06:06
	But I'll, I'll go kind of go through and then we can kind of talk about it.	00:06:14
	But our and kind of looking at it, we need.	00:06:18
	We.	00:06:21
	We've really been trying to find a kind of a solution for the parking strips that would kind of.	00:06:23
	Meet the requirements of the city and when we.	00:06:28
	When we originally put this plan, one of the City Councilman sites was just like we need to have a water line timer strip option	00:06:30
	or or or.	00:06:35
	Requirement basically and so.	00:06:40
	What we've done is we've looked at kind of an option that we feel like we'll save the city substantial water over the existing	00:06:42
	plan in the.	00:06:46
	In the in the neighborhood plan of our development agreement.	00:06:52
	And.	00:06:56
	If you want to just maybe pull up the.	00:06:58
	Traditional low maintenance. This is the plan that's approved by the city. Not yeah, not that one, but.	00:07:01
	This traditional low maintenance.	00:07:12
	Oh, he's asking me.	00:07:16
	Do you have a free option right?	00:07:18
	1/2.	00:07:21
	Right, so, but uh, so the second one.	00:07:25
	Sorry.	00:07:28
	Personal maintenance.	00:07:33
	So what what we are proposing? Umm.	00:07:34
	Yes.	00:07:37
	Taking all of the sod that right now is just the normal spot and putting it into a water wise sod.	00:07:39
	That's been developed here for this climate.	00:07:47
	With the understanding that we would also be able to put it in the planner strip. Umm.	00:07:50
	So that really the change that we're making is kind of an addendum or an option to be is what I labeled it.	00:07:56
	Which basically allows us to have.	00:08:02
	Umm.	00:08:05
	Yeah, a water wise sod with the other and and based on our calculations, we think this will save the the city.	00:08:10
	Somewhere between 20 and 30% water usage on this on this option basically and that was.	00:08:17
	The main driver for.	00:08:24
	The.	00:08:26
	City requiring the planner strips be.	00:08:29
	Umm, as you described, kind of. I mean it. It basically states native native graphs and.	00:08:32
	What Water St. plans?	00:08:39
	So.	00:08:41
	That's our, that's our proposal. We think one, it'll be easier to maintain less, less weeds, but it's just as importantly just	00:08:42
	kind of the look of the neighborhood we're trying to get is to kind of keep it all consistent with.	00:08:49
	With kind of a, you know, a traditional walkable neighborhood.	00:08:56
	And we think this option basically is better for the city because it saves, you know, substantial water. And what we're saying is	00:09:01
	we'll commit.	00:09:04
	To putting in the water wide lawn.	00:09:08
	Not only in the planner script, but in the, umm, the rest of the art, even though it's it's a little bit more expensive than	00:09:10
	traditional thought.	00:09:14
	So that's that's the proposal is.	00:09:19
	Adding a.	00:09:22
	My earchings which I don't think umm.	00:09:24
	Deviates from kind of the spirit of what we were trying to accomplish in the original three options.	00:09:27
	Yeah, so I have a question now. I'll send it to you. Umm, for the worst thing here, but umm.	00:09:33
	What's the cost difference between, uh, this thousand, $0.50 a square foot difference, uh, additional?	00:09:38
	Yeah. And then, uh, the also, uh, the availability for suppliers, uh, for, uh, availability for suppliers for this type of	00:09:44
	solitaire is a very limited no, no, I mean, we're able to get it within a week last year and it's, it's becoming very.	00:09:52
	In fact, it's probably something that that.	00:10:00
	Wha what we don't know what what what we don't know is how durable it is for like a park or something because there's a lot of	00:10:03
	there there isn't a lot of traffic. These are just front yards with sidewalks and planner strips, but.	00:10:09
	I know that other other municipalities, we're talking to Southwater, UMM, Conservancy District for our project. We have a project	00:10:15
	up in there in their area as well.	00:10:20
	So I think there's a lot of people in in the original umm.	00:10:25
	From a video that was on the that we sent, it said.	00:10:30
	You know, they would have sold out, but that was like 2 years ago and I think they've been developing it.	00:10:34
	So I think we're comfortable that we can get it.	00:10:40
	On a timely matter, umm.	00:10:42
	There's thought farms now that are just, you know, they're actively.	00:10:44
	Playing again, yeah, Uh yeah. Uh, the main reason I was asking specifically for this case is.	00:10:48
	Uh, so.	00:10:54
	Landscaping, umm, on the like, on the inside of the sidewalk between the house and the sidewalk is obviously the homeowners.	00:10:55
	Uh, responsibilities, uh, and then the partnership itself.	00:11:03
	Technically as being the.	00:11:06
	Uh, actually for our, for our development, uh, we're, we're responsible for putting in the front yard. So either the HOA, well	00:11:08
	actually just as part of our, when we sell the house, OK.	00:11:14
	But in regards to the locker maintenance and so forth, it sounds like I mean surprise.	00:11:19
	And the and the planner starts overall maintained by the HOA on our.	00:11:25
	Ones that are in the plus 55 yeah, I understand that but yeah, like I said, umm in regards to the maintenance, that's that's	00:11:29
	correct I mean I mean it's kind of it's inside the city by the way, I, I the question I just have is I just wanna make sure that	00:11:34
	there's a way to make sure that's clear because.	00:11:38
	Where it does, uh, work does happen within the participating because it's part of the uh.	00:11:43
	Uh, part of the right away in terms of maintenance and also there's, uh, umm, utilities that are on the, on the private property.	00:11:49
	Uh, where you have, uh, some private company, other, uh, utility companies like, uh, the power company.	00:11:59
	Umm, uh, you may have the power company, gas company, telecommunication companies are on the line, and so forth.	00:12:04
	Umm, and.	00:12:09
	Umm, if, when they go typically with dogs, so forth, they, you know, they come out, they place it back, but then there's kind of	00:12:11
	instances where they actually have, uh, they bring in.	00:12:16
	Uh, thought in order to replace it, because what they did is that I damaged it to the point where they just saw back.	00:12:20
	Uh, I wanna make sure that, uh.	00:12:28
	Is there a mechanism? Uh, where the ho?	00:12:30
	Well considered, maybe you'll have answer is uh, well, I mean I I the way I would.	00:12:33
	Consider it is like, let's just say there was just ornamental grasses there and they tore them up and they had to replace them.	00:12:38
	We'd have to get approval then.	00:12:44
	Put them in and we just say we're replacing with thought. It has to be this type of side. I don't think this type of side is going	00:12:46
	away. I think it's becoming more and more prevalent.	00:12:50
	Like I said, I think if it shows that aware as well, people will put it.	00:12:55
	Where they have high traffic on their grasses as well.	00:12:59
	Umm, we didn't really worry about that part of it because it was really primarily for.	00:13:02
	It's kind of from our.	00:13:07
	But yeah, I mean, I think we just.	00:13:09
	Stipulates.	00:13:11
	They carry it out. We have to put in the same type of thought or start up and put in.	00:13:12
	You know, I mean, it's, it's gotta be one of the things that's approved in the.	00:13:18
	In the development plan, in the, in the neighborhood plan, yeah, uh, the factory, uh, and maybe I should know this answer, but uh,	00:13:22
	is it HOA?	00:13:27
	Uh, like the, where they are just the H way, managing the maintenance of the truck strips and the front yards or like make like in	00:13:31
	the grass cutting in the, in the laundry, fertilizing. It's not the, it's not the homeowners, umm.	00:13:38
	In the active adult community, the larger lot than the ones we have along, umm, Stillwater.	00:13:46
	And all of Cadence, uh, I think the homeowners are responsible for that.	00:13:53
	OK, I'll wait for the active adult Canadian. Just make sure that uh, I mean for our interns because I just think about doing.	00:13:57
	Uh, when we prove uh, encroachments, uh, Christmas permit in order to allow utilities to go in.	00:14:03
	Other intelligence because and or even service.	00:14:08
	Uh, that's, uh.	00:14:11
	To test deflation about cont, uh, coordinate with the HOA in regards to, uh, long restoration this way, because the one thing that	00:14:13
	he doesn't want to do is we don't want your business so.	00:14:18
	Uh, doing specialized bonds. And then the other aspect is, and we don't want to, and we don't want anyone in the detriments where	00:14:24
	the.	00:14:28
	People that now.	00:14:33
	Yeah. And it's like, uh, the utility company comes in and just puts in whatever crabgrass they, uh, they start by then, uh,	00:14:34
	because they didn't know that there was a specialized prospects, you know. So I think that if you have that, yeah, I think, I	00:14:39
	think that's in place in the development agreement on our CCRS and everything. But yeah, we could, we could.	00:14:44
	Solidify that somehow, I say if you're I, I wouldn't be worried about it just because I know it's a false chance. I think, yeah,	00:14:51
	no, I I mean, it's going to be.	00:14:55
	I think.	00:15:01
	Just letting him know, Hey, you can't just take any fat, you know, for the chance your aviation requirements at all in terms of	00:15:02
	because I know there was a push, there was a push, uh.	00:15:07
	At the same level about uh.	00:15:12
	It says, you know, like pop up heads, uh, aspirates the feeling like umm umm.	00:15:14
	What are they called? And we would assume that we would spray tests. We would I, we, we talked about making sure that we spray	00:15:21
	towards the sidewalk so there's no water going in. If it hits the sidewalk, it's gonna come back into the grass. But I, I mean,	00:15:26
	when we put them in last year, we didn't see a lot of.	00:15:31
	Water on that and I think.	00:15:38
	Umm, you know, clearly if you had a good system in there, probably minimize it a little bit more, but I think we make up for that	00:15:41
	more than make up for that by.	00:15:45
	Switching the thought out on the on the rest of the pro on the.	00:15:51
	Front yard, finally.	00:15:55
	Nature is managing those from our system, right? Yeah, OK.	00:15:57
	Uh, the other aspect is sometimes homeowners, uh, you know the best intentions, they don't know that especially when they move to	00:16:01
	a new house, they have the irrigation system.	00:16:06
	Is on for new graph and then.	00:16:10
	Typically after a few, like after a month or so, they're supposed to turn down, lower the homework. So which is what we did last	00:16:13
	summer. We, you know, we watered a little heavy for the first five or six weeks to get the roots in and then we switched it away	00:16:18
	back down. Yeah.	00:16:22
	Bye.	00:16:28
	I don't have, I don't have any questions. Uh are uh, I mean when uh are for the city, uh, for the other works and they are.	00:16:29
	I say the arborist who's out town this week so kinda going into take a look at it. You may have some follow up questions but I'll	00:16:37
	have them contact you directly.	00:16:40
	OK.	00:16:45
	One quick question, uh, in your.	00:16:46
	Uh, pilot area.	00:16:49
	How, how did it end up looking? Is it as green as people like it? They look great. I mean, it, it looks a little different in the	00:16:51
	winter because they're using these kind of native grasses. So it's got a little bit of a.	00:16:55
	Purple, which look to it but.	00:17:02
	I mean, I can show you pictures of it through the summer it looks.	00:17:06
	I think that looks really well. I mean, I don't know if you were able to get out and look at it. I I couldn't tell any difference	00:17:09
	from.	00:17:12
	Regular graphs Umm.	00:17:15
	So.	00:17:18
	Right.	00:17:19
	So this water, this grass uses 20% less water. So does this water grass get water every day yellow or is it every other day?	00:17:22
	Umm, I, I think we just turned down the amount of water by 40, you know, 40%. So I think we do kind of a.	00:17:30
	I don't, to be honest, I don't know what our standard.	00:17:36
	Watering.	00:17:40
	Protocol is in terms of uh.	00:17:41
	If you're watering every every day or every other day, I know we were watering.	00:17:45
	Umm, every day when we were kind of first putting it in.	00:17:49
	Thanks.	00:17:54
	Any more questions?	00:18:00
	One point I think that maybe.	00:18:08
	The the main issue I think.	00:18:11
	For going, I think it was really a water conservation issue, not a not an aesthetic issue. Umm, and it was really tight. It was, I	00:18:13
	mean basically.	00:18:17
	I'm not gonna approve the plan unless you have.	00:18:21
	A Washington Washington some sort of water, water conservative type of approach. So I feel like from a the spirit of the.	00:18:26
	The project this is actually.	00:18:32
	I haven't talked to him about it but.	00:18:35
	And different council and everything now, but I think.	00:18:38
	The the spirit of this was to save water and I think this approach actually takes more water for the city, which is which is a	00:18:40
	benefit and.	00:18:43
	Aside from the other benefits of like you think it's.	00:18:48
	It's gonna be much easier to maintain and look better and all those kind of things.	00:18:50
	No. And again, uh, I apprec. I appreciate that and I'll definitely, we're always, uh, pushing for a water.	00:18:54
	Uh, impact efforts And so it might also be.	00:18:59
	To be able to have something like this in the city where you can monitor it and then.	00:19:02
	When we put the parts in the next, you know in the next couple of years that and that's where you would have a huge savings in.	00:19:07
	In water.	00:19:13
	You feel like it, I just don't know how it would hold up with.	00:19:15
	Soccer.	00:19:20
	Kids running around and things like that, but it's not, we could kind of keep them kind of explore over the next year. Probably	00:19:22
	something you guys are looking for.	00:19:25
	You just come in.	00:19:28
	And it was developed here for the local community and and.	00:19:31
	I'm sure Utah State and the.	00:19:36
	Think it's all right and that are starting to collect you know and how.	00:19:38
	You know, have durable ideas for for activities. We don't worry about it because it was, you know, it was his front yard that	00:19:41
	weren't gonna be really locked on.	00:19:45
	Actually, uh, uh, in terms of apple work and so forth, I mean, we're always actively official for, uh, water conservation and so	00:19:49
	forth. And then we have different water weight coming up in a couple of, uh.	00:19:54
	Next month, uh, where we're going to uh.	00:19:59
	He's got a lot of fishing on that then.	00:20:01
	Umm, our I guess my biggest.	00:20:03
	My other concern is not really much of A concern system. A lot of times you could take that first and get put into it.	00:20:05
	And then on the.	00:20:11
	The follow through and the rescue now just paved the way in terms of the maintenance on it or the watering itself like so you	00:20:13
	people in these water wise type.	00:20:17
	Uh, I think, uh, type of items and then.	00:20:21
	Uh, people don't.	00:20:25
	Lower the water usage so then they become over watered and then you know so much water actually has a negative effect. As an	00:20:26
	example in Florida.	00:20:30
	Not people who would.	00:20:35
	Fire along the lot, especially with Saint Augustine grass. They love Saint Augustine grass. They're while you're waiting lunch and	00:20:36
	then they turn into having a lot of, uh, week, uh, because of that. And that's, that's, uh, take the way I have behaviours.	00:20:42
	And if you overwired it, you get the same thing. Luckily. Uh, I I wired my lawn maybe 3 * a year.	00:20:49
	Uh, Pennsylvania because of the because it was a very, it was a very water wise drop resistant type graph.	00:20:55
	It wasn't a previous book. Uh, that again?	00:21:01
	My biggest thing is just wanna make sure that this work is done on that, that we're not.	00:21:04
	That we have something in place that we're not that the contract or even the city.	00:21:08
	Uh, that has mechanism to ensure that all of your like all the good faith efforts that have been put into place.	00:21:11
	Is, uh, you know, the integrity is maintained. So we're not going in there and say.	00:21:18
	We just go to your Home Depot, find some whatever grass, throw it down there, and then next thing you know, that grass. Ever.	00:21:23
	Then I the the water wise grass and then you just have a big mess in your hands. That's all That's the biggest thing. I'm sorry.	00:21:30
	Sure that's a good point. I think umm.	00:21:34
	Kind of like a couple other things just in terms of.	00:21:40
	The fact that the HOA is gonna manage with all these your.	00:21:43
	They're gonna be motivated to keep the water down because they're.	00:21:46
	They're paying the water bill basically, so they'll wanna, they'll wanna make sure that.	00:21:49
	Yeah, we're we're.	00:21:55
	Dialing it into the to the minimum amount that we need to kind of keep it look looking the right way. So I think that I think	00:21:56
	there's AI think there's a natural incentive.	00:22:00
	To keep the water down. And the other thing I would make is, uh.	00:22:06
	Uh, it's a little bit kind of, umm.	00:22:10
	If you go back to the.	00:22:14
	The the original ones, the original one just yeah, the native.	00:22:16
	Shrubs and grasses that.	00:22:21
	There's no I mean low water St. planters is pretty.	00:22:25
	Subjective I mean I don't I don't know how the city would even be able to manage monitor like OK, are these native crafts is	00:22:30
	actually.	00:22:33
	Saving a lot of water versus something out. I mean, unless you go around and look at every species and like if someone.	00:22:37
	Replaces one grass with another grass. This where this is kinda uniformed across our whole development, you know?	00:22:43
	That will allow us to umm.	00:22:49
	Kind of control that better and not require you guys to, you know, having to feel like you have to go police when people replace.	00:22:54
	Crashes because there is no like specific.	00:23:02
	Thing in the in the neighborhood plan that.	00:23:05
	It has to be this amount of water per square foot or anything like that. It's still pretty subjective.	00:23:08
	In fact, I think it's some level you get almost a lot. We could almost argue that these are native grasses in the spot that	00:23:13
	they're redoing it.	00:23:17
	Doesn't even. I mean, it's just a different picture, but it.	00:23:20
	Kind of meets the verbiage of the.	00:23:23
	Probably the one that's already in there.	00:23:26
	So.	00:23:29
	Do you have any other questions?	00:23:36
	Do you have any other questions?	00:23:40
	Umm, I I, I mentioned to you.	00:23:44
	I believe based on the development agreement.	00:23:48
	This is what what I would consider a a minor umm.	00:23:50
	Amendment to the neighborhood 29 and and based on that.	00:23:54
	It seems like the.	00:23:59
	Ability to just approve this that uh.	00:24:01
	Economic development manager or whatever.	00:24:04
	Versus having to go through planning and then City Council and and everything I'd like to hopefully.	00:24:07
	At least half.	00:24:14
	You consider.	00:24:17
	That, you know, maybe that maybe.	00:24:18
	Maybe Morgan talked to me or whatever to say that this Do you feel like this is a.	00:24:23
	It's under the minor.	00:24:28
	The minor option, I mean it's.	00:24:30
	I'm working with I, I have it, I have it pulled up here. So, umm.	00:24:33
	If if we're to chat next steps we have.	00:24:38
	The you know the DRC would decide.	00:24:42
	Here if this would, I mean not right now, but DRC would.	00:24:45
	You know, ponder over this and decide if this is going to be a minor or.	00:24:50
	Umm a major amendment to the UMM Development Agreement and UMM.	00:24:56
	I thus say that.	00:25:01
	If it's COM, it's a minor amendment. The Community Development Director can approve this to happen.	00:25:03
	That means it doesn't have to go through.	00:25:11
	City Council and you know, all the other staff, Planning Commission, you know.	00:25:14
	But that's a kind of a logistics right now we're putting in the front yard with a lot of these our plan right now until we kind of	00:25:20
	get back.	00:25:24
	Some sort of thing we need to go through the whole process.	00:25:28
	We're planning on planning the street trees and then just.	00:25:31
	Waiting to hear whether we're gonna have to put ground cover or grass in there. So I mean in the in the code, I gotta say that	00:25:34
	minor changes in the conceptual location of.	00:25:39
	And public improvements on infrastructure.	00:25:46
	Could be approved by the UH director.	00:25:50
	So I don't know what that means up.	00:25:56
	This this seems like since it's a city.	00:25:59
	Parcel that.	00:26:01
	That could be interpreted to be the.	00:26:03
	Thank you.	00:26:06
	What about the the RC thing?	00:26:08
	About this, would we want to?	00:26:11
	We don't have to make a decision right now. We can think about it and get back to.	00:26:14
	The umm developer later, but.	00:26:20
	Would we want to consider this as a minor?	00:26:22
	Does make in this addition a shorter one?	00:26:25
	Or.	00:26:29
	A major one, but I just share my opinion if.	00:26:30
	We're gonna add a whole option.	00:26:35
	To the.	00:26:37
	Umm.	00:26:38
	Neighborhood plan, I think it should still go through.	00:26:40
	The process would not go through UH City Council for the final approving.	00:26:44
	Final approval could probably happen at BRC.	00:26:50
	But, uh, DRC and uh, Planning Commission.	00:26:54
	But umm.	00:26:58
	It's up to the rest of the Commission to decide. It's not up to me alone, but that's what I think because you're adding a whole.	00:26:59
	Option to what has been improved actually 2 your your amendment for the better.	00:27:06
	You know, changing the loan that you have in there to Waterwise 1.	00:27:11
	And also add in, you know AB of that. So I mean the way I would, the way I.	00:27:16
	I I understand that way. I would kind of view this as we're.	00:27:21
	We're taking option B the right option to.	00:27:24
	And we're we're still kind of meeting the the goal on the left, but we're we're just replacing out planner strip.	00:27:28
	One native grass with another native grass.	00:27:36
	That saves water. So it's we're we're not trying to.	00:27:38
	Kind of come up with a completely new thing. It's just getting kind of almost clarification on the sidewalk there, you know?	00:27:43
	With the idea that we're also.	00:27:49
	Committing to.	00:27:52
	Umm, it's still thought and everything, but we're committing to do a more water efficient spot on the on the rest of the house.	00:27:54
	But I'll leave that up to you guys to kind of determine. We're just anxious to get going because now is the time to plant perhaps	00:28:00
	in the next two or three weeks versus when it gets hot here. I mean, we were, we were challenged because we were.	00:28:07
	Putting this in for the phrase and.	00:28:13
	Umm, you know, the 1st of June when it was starting to get really hot.	00:28:15
	Oh, that's that's all I have to say from planning.	00:28:21
	For now.	00:28:24
	Uh, so that works at least. Uh, like I said before, we're always happy to see.	00:28:27
	Things that takes less water, uh, on that. So then personally, uh.	00:28:32
	It's what's green is green to me at the end of the day and it takes less water. I call it the.	00:28:36
	Uh, public screen type, uh, surf graph that you call us, I mean, uh.	00:28:42
	Uh, but there's, I mean for a reference to Saint Augustine's Ocean.	00:28:46
	Blue Turf Grass, which was the universe before the specialized, uh, genetically modified.	00:28:51
	Graph or graph ID or something genetically modified? We have love bugs.	00:28:57
	Uh, we got a lot of bugs which.	00:29:00
	All great. So we think it's guaranteed right though. So go go Gators. Uh for me.	00:29:01
	Umm, but uh, or behavior graph. I mean, I always my personal health, I always chose, uh, the one that made me with water or less	00:29:07
	because.	00:29:11
	I want to lower my bills and I appreciate everyone else want to do the same thing.	00:29:16
	Uh, ultimately the community development directors.	00:29:20
	Uh, call, I think, uh, his recommendation and in terms of whether it's measured change or not to the partnership itself.	00:29:23
	Umm, I'd like to have people smarter than me, uh, provide the final recommendation. Who? Who is our state?	00:29:30
	He has very, he has a lot of contacts with uh.	00:29:36
	Uh, Utah State University and so forth.	00:29:39
	Just to make sure, because, uh, at the end of the day, uh, he just wants to make sure whatever is planted in there, uh, for us.	00:29:42
	Uh, on that. So some of his comments may come back with.	00:29:47
	Uh, just, uh, some type of additional conditions in terms of, uh, planting.	00:29:51
	And maintenance and so forth. I would, I just wanna make sure that he has the opportunity to provide that that feedback because.	00:29:56
	Umm, you know the city is not gonna be maintaining it, but.	00:30:02
	We always want to build the, uh, make sure that, uh, whatever is being done is successful on that. So does that make sense to me	00:30:05
	with him or just you've got enough information in this way for the commitment on the driver? All right, office.	00:30:11
	Yeah, I'd be happy to talk to him. We've already got 3 streets that are approved like that. They're they're already on. Yeah. When	00:30:18
	are you talking to town? When he's back in town, it's always better to have a two way conversation. So he comes. He'll be back in	00:30:22
	town on Monday.	00:30:26
	And then, uh, I'll have.	00:30:30
	Is it OK if I just give him your contact? I'm giving you a contact number. He can just have a two way conversation. I'd like to	00:30:32
	actually.	00:30:35
	Talk to him anyhow because we're we're trying to figure out we have some.	00:30:38
	Umm, plants that didn't use in our behind our heads, we have some plants that did do too well in the in the.	00:30:43
	South Sun or West side some hydrangeas. So we've been getting some recommendations of.	00:30:51
	Keeping the same look, but trying to find something that's a little they they do really well up on the bench and Alpine and stuff,	00:30:57
	but.	00:31:00
	I guess the climate change is enough that it.	00:31:04
	It burned them pretty well, so I I'd love to just.	00:31:07
	Yeah, he'll be more happy like that, but, uh.	00:31:11
	He's a quiet type guy, but when you start talking trees and clients, he opens up. So we're, we're just following is, uh, is ours.	00:31:13
	That was really helpful for us, you know, kind of based on the height that you'll get where and I've heard you during, during the	00:31:23
	whole, during the, during the development process, right during the thing. I mean, you know, when you have this contact, feel free	00:31:27
	to reach out to him for questions and then, uh.	00:31:32
	About joint inspections, uh, our inspector and our Bristol be working in hand, so that's nice. So that's my, that's my other call.	00:31:37
	I I do like the idea of.	00:31:47
	Grass that takes less water. That seems to me this would be a minor change I believe, if we can.	00:31:49
	Talk to Oberst and their community develop directory. We could.	00:31:54
	Maybe make this decision in PRC?	00:31:57
	Right.	00:31:59
	Yep, appreciate it. Just anything.	00:32:01
	And kind of helping us smooth the process along with you. You've been ready.	00:32:04
	You know, we probably should have started this a couple more months ago. So we were ready to roll right now and that's probably	00:32:10
	more on us than than you, but.	00:32:13
	I'm anxious.	00:32:17
	Just get these houses.	00:32:19
	The front. It changes the whole look of the neighborhood when we get the yard zoom basically in the word.	00:32:21
	We're trying we hopefully in the next.	00:32:26
	Couple of months lost.	00:32:29
	Completed all that I will have started all the homes on Main Street, so while at least that Main Street completely.	00:32:30
	We wanna get, you know, we wanna get that completely landscaped and and ready to accomplish this.	00:32:36
	Two houses that we have.	00:32:41
	Kind of started the app that we're we're close to starting.	00:32:44
	So.	00:32:47
	Thanks.	00:32:48
	OK. Thank you.	00:32:50
	OK, I lost my phone. I lost my size at home.	00:33:02
	And then we'll be.	00:33:05
	End of April 17th, 325.	00:33:07
	All right.	00:33:11
	Yeah.	00:33:13
	I wanted to.	00:33:15
	I'll put this one.	00:33:16