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OK, it is. 00:01:38
907. 00:01:44
On April 3rd, 2025. 00:01:47
We cut order the. 00:01:51
Meeting of DRC. 00:01:53
Our first item will be consent items approval of the November 7th, 2024. 00:01:55
DRC Minutes and also the December 19, 2024 DRC. 00:02:01
Minutes do I have. 00:02:05
Motion. 00:02:08
For approval. 00:02:10
I motion to approve the minutes. 00:02:12
2nd, 2nd. 00:02:15
First from the same, second from Eric. 00:02:16
That's approved. 00:02:21
All in favor. All in favor. 00:02:23
Aye, aye. 00:02:26
There are no business items. We do have one work session all the way. Fields has proposed amendment to approve landscaping plan 00:02:31
and are you? 00:02:35
And Anthony Fletcher will be. 00:02:40
Giving us an update. 00:02:43
All right, so, um. 00:02:48
Dear Commissioners. 00:02:50
The developer of how the way field has. 00:02:52
Expressed interest in. 00:02:55
Add in another option. 00:02:57
To the neighborhood plan. 00:02:59
Which affects the development agreement. 00:03:01
Because the development agreement is linked to follow. 00:03:04
Whatever landscape in. 00:03:07
Options that were provided in the Neighborhood Plan. 00:03:09
So they have expressed interest in adding another option. 00:03:13
Which would allow. 00:03:17
For grass. 00:03:19
To be used. 00:03:20
In the park strip. 00:03:23
They're currently. 00:03:24
Not allowed to do that, however, in. 00:03:26
One of the homes that they have built. 00:03:29
They. 00:03:31
They sampled that out. They put in the grass that they're proposing. 00:03:33
Making them non compliant. 00:03:37
So code enforcement is dealing with them at the moment, but. 00:03:40
Hoping to have the option added to allow. 00:03:43
For that grass and we have Eric Muggle be here. 00:03:47
Who is going to educate us all on? 00:03:51
The grass that he's proposing. 00:03:56
And the options that he would want to have added. 00:03:58
Onto the existing neighborhood plan. 00:04:01
Landscaping options. 00:04:03
That's all we have here. I'll turn it over to Eric Mugabe. 00:04:06
Yeah, sure. 00:04:11
So just a little more. 00:04:13
History on the kind of the existing plot when we were working to get. 00:04:15
Our first house done. Could you kindly state your name and use the mic, Eric? 00:04:20
Eric Mcgleby. 00:04:25
Hold away. 00:04:27
Holdaway fields development. 00:04:29
Just last summer we were working on our first house to get it right. Kind of rushing to get it done for the. 00:04:34
Parade of Homes and we were putting in all the yard and we were still trying to kind of sort out the planter strip so I. 00:04:42
Had talked to Morgan Brim with the Citi and just told them that we were. 00:04:49
Umm, just because of the? 00:04:55
Then kind of the urgency to get ready for the parade of homes. We were going to put in the same. 00:04:58
Grass that we were hoping to use in the future. 00:05:05
With the understanding that if we didn't get approval, we would just. 00:05:07
Pair it out. Umm. 00:05:10
And put in. 00:05:12
A different option. 00:05:13
Fits the neighborhood plan, so it wasn't. 00:05:15
Just stating it was very. 00:05:19
We were very transparent. 00:05:21
This was just a short term thing for the parade and that we realized we needed to get this resolved So what we have. 00:05:23
Found as we found a. 00:05:31
Sod that was developed. 00:05:34
By the city of Salt Lake and Utah State University. 00:05:37
To try and address this whole need for water requirements. 00:05:41
In lowering our water requirements for this. 00:05:45
This area. 00:05:49
And. 00:05:50
Based on what they've determined, it saves about 40% water on the. 00:05:52
Thing and we could, if you want, we could play the little. 00:06:02
Presentation if you have more questions on that is that. 00:06:06
But I'll kind of go through and we can kind of talk about it. 00:06:10
But our in kind of looking at it, we. 00:06:14
We've, we've really been trying to find a kind of a solution for the parking strips that would kind of. 00:06:17
Meet the requirements of the city and when we. 00:06:24
When we originally put this plan, one of the City Councilman Tice was just like we need to have a water. 00:06:26
Wise planner strip option or or. 00:06:33
Requirement basically and so. 00:06:36
What we've done is we've looked at kind of an option that we feel like will save the city substantial water over the existing plan 00:06:38
in the. 00:06:42
In the. 00:06:48
In the neighborhood plan of our development agreement. 00:06:49
And uh. 00:06:52
If you want to just maybe pull up. 00:06:54
Traditional low maintenance. This is the plan that's approved by the city. Not yeah, not that one, but the. 00:06:57
This traditional low maintenance. 00:07:08
Right. 00:07:15
Right. So go to the. 00:07:21
Go to the second one. 00:07:23
Sorry. 00:07:24
Traditional low maintenance. 00:07:28
So what what we are proposing? 00:07:30
Is uh. 00:07:33
Taking all of the sod that right now is just the normal sod. 00:07:35
And putting it into a water wise sod. 00:07:39
That's been developed here for this climate. 00:07:43
With the understanding that we would also be able to put it in the planner strip. 00:07:46
So that really the change that we're making is kind of an addendum or an option to be is what I labeled it. 00:07:52
Which basically allows us to have. 00:07:58
Umm. 00:08:02
Yeah, a water wise sod with the other and based on our calculations we think this will save the city. 00:08:06
Somewhere between 20 and 30%. 00:08:13
Water usage. 00:08:15
On this option. 00:08:17
And that was. 00:08:19
The main driver for. 00:08:20
The. 00:08:22
City requiring the planner strips be. 00:08:25
Umm, as he described, kind of. I mean, it basically states native native grasses and. 00:08:29
Low Water St. Planners. 00:08:35
So that's our, that's our proposal. We think one, it'll be easier to maintain less. 00:08:37
Less weeds, but. 00:08:43
Just as importantly, just kind of the look of the neighborhood we're trying to get is to kind of keep it all consistent with. 00:08:45
With kind of a, you know, a traditional walkable neighborhood. 00:08:52
And we think this option basically is better for the city because it saves, you know, substantial water. And what we're saying is 00:08:57
we'll commit. 00:09:00
To putting in the water wise lawn. 00:09:04
Not only in the planner strip, but in the. 00:09:06
The rest of the yards, even though it's it's a little bit more expensive than traditional sod. 00:09:09
So that's the proposal is. 00:09:15
Adding a. 00:09:18
A minor change which I don't think. 00:09:20
Umm deviates from kind of the spirit of what we were trying to accomplish in the original. 00:09:23
Three options. 00:09:27
So I have a question. Sanderson public Works city engineer but. 00:09:29
What's the cost difference between the southern? It's about $0.50 a square foot difference, so additional. 00:09:34
Yeah. And then also the availability for suppliers for availability for suppliers for this type of solid is, is a very limited no, 00:09:40
no. I mean we were able to get it within a week last year and it's becoming very. 00:09:48
In fact, it's probably something that the. 00:09:56
What we don't know, what we don't know is how durable it is for like a park or something because there's a lot of there, there 00:09:59
isn't a lot of traffic. These are just front yards with sidewalks and planner strips, but. 00:10:05
I know that other. 00:10:11
Other municipalities we're talking to S Water. 00:10:13
Conservancy district for our project, we have a project up in there in their area as well. 00:10:16
So I think there's a lot of people and in the original. 00:10:21
Little video that was on that we sent. 00:10:26
You know, they had sold out, but that was like 2 years ago and I think they've been developing it. 00:10:30
So I think we're comfortable that we can get it. 00:10:35
On a timely matter, they're sod farms now that. 00:10:38
They're actively. 00:10:41
Putting it in Yeah, the main reasons I was asking specifically for this case is. 00:10:44
So landscaping on the. 00:10:50
On the inside of the sidewalk between the house and the sidewalk is obviously the homeowners. 00:10:54
Responsibilities and then the park strips itself. 00:10:59
Technically it being the. 00:11:02
Actually for our development, we're responsible for putting in the front yards well the HOA. So either the HOA, well actually just 00:11:05
as part of our when we sell the house, OK. 00:11:10
But in regards to the locker maintenance and so forth, it's outside. I mean it's a private entity front yards and the and the 00:11:15
planner strips are all maintained by the HOA on our. 00:11:20
Ones that are in the. 00:11:25
Plus 55, yeah, I understand that, but yeah, Egg said. 00:11:26
In regards to the maintenance, that's correct. I mean it's inside the cities right away the. 00:11:29
Question I just have is I just want to make sure that there's a way to make sure that's clear because. 00:11:36
There does work does happen within the park strips being since it's part of the. 00:11:39
Part of the right of way in terms of maintenance and also. 00:11:45
There's utility easements that are on the on the private property. 00:11:49
Where you have some private company, other utility companies like the power company. 00:11:55
You may have the power company, gas company, telecommunication companies running lines, and so forth. 00:12:01
And when they go typically with saws and so forth, they, you know, they cut out, they put, they place it back. But then there's 00:12:06
instances where they actually had to. 00:12:10
They bring in sod. 00:12:15
In order to replace it, because what they did is damaged it to the point where they just don't put the existing side back. 00:12:17
I want to make sure that. 00:12:24
Is there a mechanism where the? 00:12:26
Well, consider. Maybe you'll know the answer because, well, I mean the way I would. 00:12:29
Consider it as. 00:12:34
Like, let's just say there was just ornamental grasses there and they tore them up and they had to replace them. 00:12:35
We have to get approval that. 00:12:40
Put them in and we just. 00:12:42
Replacing Masada has to be this type of sod. I don't think this type of sod is going away. I think it's becoming more and more 00:12:44
prevalent. 00:12:47
Like I said, I think if it shows that it wears well, people will put it. 00:12:51
Where they have high traffic on their grasses as well. 00:12:55
We didn't really worry about that part of it because it was really primarily for. 00:12:58
These kind of front yards. 00:13:03
But yeah, I mean, I think we just. 00:13:05
Stipulate that. 00:13:06
They tear it out. We have to put in the same type of. 00:13:08
Saw it or tear it up and put in. 00:13:10
You know, I mean, it's got to be one of the things that's approved in the. 00:13:14
In the development plan. 00:13:18
In the in the neighborhood plan. Just out curiosity and maybe I should know this answer, but the is the HOA. 00:13:20
Like the yards, is the HOA managing the maintenance of the park strips and the front yards or mate like in the grass cutting and 00:13:27
the and the watering, fertilizing. It's not the it's not the homeowner. 00:13:34
In the active adult community, the larger lots like the ones we have along Stillwater. 00:13:42
And all of Cadence the I think the homeowners are responsible for that or at least for the active adult community. Just make sure 00:13:49
that I mean for in terms because I just think about doing. 00:13:54
When we prove encroachments easement Christmas permits in order to allow utilities to go in. 00:13:59
Other utilities to be coping or even serviced. 00:14:04
That. 00:14:07
To post stipulation about coordinating with the HOA in regards to lawn restoration. 00:14:09
This way, because the one thing that say, doesn't want to do is we don't want to get business. 00:14:15
Doing specialized bonds. And then the other aspect is we don't want and we don't want to and we don't want to put anyone in a 00:14:20
detriment where the. 00:14:24
People don't know. 00:14:28
Yeah, it's like there. So utility company comes in and just puts in whatever crab graphs they decide to put in because they didn't 00:14:30
know that there was a specialized grass there too, so. 00:14:34
I think we have 1000. I mean, I think, I think that's in place in the development agreement and our CCNRS and everything. But we 00:14:39
could, we could. 00:14:42
Solidify that. 00:14:47
Somehow if you're. 00:14:48
I wouldn't be worried about it just because I know it's just off chance. I mean, typically, yeah. No, I mean, it's good to be. 00:14:49
I think. 00:14:57
Just letting him know, hey, you can't just stick any set replacement. Will this change your irrigation requirements at all in 00:14:58
terms of because I know there was a push or there was a push? 00:15:03
At the state level about. 00:15:08
Instead of doing like pop up heads that's sprays but doing like. 00:15:10
What do they call drip? Yeah, drip. Blondes. Yeah. I mean, we would assume that we would spray this. We would. 00:15:17
We've talked about making sure that we spray towards the sidewalk so there's no water going into. If it hits the sidewalk, it's 00:15:23
going to come back into the grass, but. 00:15:26
I mean, when we put them in last year, we didn't see a lot of. 00:15:30
Water on that and I think. 00:15:34
Umm, you know, clearly if you had a drip system in there, it would probably minimize it a little bit more, but I think we make up 00:15:38
for that more than make up for that by. 00:15:42
Switching the slot out on. 00:15:47
On the rest of the prop of the. 00:15:49
The front yard, basically. 00:15:51
The HOA is managing this regular system, right? Yeah, OK. 00:15:53
The other aspect is sometimes homeowners are the best intentions. They all know that especially when they move into a new house, 00:15:57
they have the. 00:16:01
Irrigation system. 00:16:05
Is on for new grass and then. 00:16:06
Typically after a few, like after a month or so, they're supposed to turn it down lower. Some homeowners don't know about that, 00:16:09
which is what we did last summer. We, you know, we watered a little heavy for the first five or six weeks to get the roots in and 00:16:14
then we switched it and we, we cut it way back down. 00:16:18
I don't have any questions or let me when. 00:16:24
Are for the city, for the public works, and they are. 00:16:29
Our city arborist who's out of town this week. Cool. 00:16:32
Go into it, take a look at it. He may have some follow up questions but I'll have them contact you directly. 00:16:35
Thanks. 00:16:40
One quick question in your. 00:16:42
Pilot area. 00:16:45
How did it? 00:16:46
End up looking is it as green as people like it? They look great. I mean it, it looks a little different in the winter it because 00:16:48
they're using these kind of native grasses. So it's got a little bit of a. 00:16:52
Purplish look to it, but. 00:16:58
I mean, I can show you pictures of it through the summer. 00:17:02
I think it looked really well. I mean, I don't know if you were able to get out and look at it. I. 00:17:05
I couldn't tell any difference from. 00:17:09
Regular grasses. 00:17:10
So great. 00:17:14
So this water. 00:17:18
This grass uses 40% less water. So does this water grass get watered every day still or is it every other day? 00:17:19
I think we just turned down the amount of water by 40, you know, 40%. So I think we do kind of a. 00:17:26
I don't, to be honest, I don't know what our standard. 00:17:32
Watering. 00:17:35
Protocol is in terms of. 00:17:37
Watering every day or every other day? I know we were watering. 00:17:41
Every day when we were kind of first putting it in. 00:17:46
Thanks. 00:17:49
Any other questions? 00:17:56
I mean, one point in the scene could maybe? 00:18:04
The main issue I think. 00:18:07
For going to these was really a water conservation issue, not a not an aesthetic issue. And it was really Tyson. It was I mean 00:18:09
basically. 00:18:13
That I'm not going to approve the plan unless you have. 00:18:17
A some sort of water, water conservative type of approach. So I feel like from the spirit of the. 00:18:22
The project this is actually. 00:18:28
I mean, I haven't talked to him about it, but. 00:18:30
And it's a different council and everything now, but I think. 00:18:33
The spirit of this was to save water, and I think this approach actually saves more water for the city, which is which is a 00:18:36
benefit and. 00:18:39
Aside from the other benefits of I just think it's going to be much easier to maintain and look better and all those kind of 00:18:43
things. No, and again I appreciate, I appreciate that. And definitely we're always pushing for water wise type efforts. And so I 00:18:48
think it might also be a good. 00:18:53
To be able to have something like this in the city where you can monitor it and then. 00:18:58
When we put the parts in and next in the next couple of years, I mean that's where you would have a huge savings. 00:19:03
In water. 00:19:09
If you feel. 00:19:11
I mean, I just don't know how it would hold up with. 00:19:13
Soccer. 00:19:15
Kids running around and things like that. But it's something we could kind of even kind of explore over the next year. I mean, 00:19:18
it's probably something you guys should look into just because it's. 00:19:21
You know, it was developed here for the local community and. 00:19:26
And. 00:19:29
I'm sure Utah State and. 00:19:32
City of Salt Lake and that are starting to collect data on how. 00:19:34
You know how durable it is for. 00:19:37
For activities, we didn't worry about it because again, it was just front yards that weren't going to be really walked on. 00:19:39
Like I said, in terms of public works and so forth, I mean, we're always actively pushing for. 00:19:46
Water conservations and so forth. I mean, we have drinking water weight coming up in a couple. 00:19:51
Next month where we're going to. 00:19:55
Be doing a lot of pushing on that and. 00:19:57
Are I guess my biggest. 00:19:59
My only concern is not really much of A concern, it's just a lot of times these good faith efforts get put into it. 00:20:01
And then on the. 00:20:07
To follow through and of it now just fades away. 00:20:09
In terms of the maintenance on it or the watering itself like so you put in these water wise type. 00:20:12
I think type of items and then. 00:20:18
People don't. 00:20:21
Lower their water usage so then they become over watered and then you know too much water actually has a negative effect. As an 00:20:22
example in Florida. 00:20:26
Now, people who would. 00:20:31
Water the lawns a lot, especially for Saint Augustine grass. They love Saint Augustine grass. Yeah, they water way too much. And 00:20:32
then they turn into having lots of weeds because of that. Yeah. And that, that takes it away. I have the hay grass. 00:20:38
And if you over water it you get the same thing. Luckily I watered my lawn maybe three times a year. 00:20:45
In Florida, not because of the because it was a very, it was a very water wise, drought resistant type grass. 00:20:51
It wasn't the previous, but that, but then. 00:20:57
My biggest thing is just want to make sure that if work is done on that, that we're not. 00:20:59
That we have something in place that we're that the contractor or even the city. 00:21:03
That has a mechanism to ensure that all the good faith efforts that have been put into place. 00:21:08
Is, you know, the integrity is maintained that we're not going in there and say. 00:21:14
We just go to your Home Depot, find some whatever grass, throw it down there, and then next thing you know. 00:21:19
That grass over it takes the nice, the water wise grass and then you just have a big mess on your hands. That's so that's the 00:21:24
biggest thing. I just want to make sure and that's that's that's a good point. 00:21:28
I think. 00:21:33
Kind of a couple of other things, just in terms of. 00:21:36
The fact that the HOA is going to manage all these, they're going to be motivated to keep the water down because they're. 00:21:39
They're paying the water bill basically, so they'll want to, they'll want to make sure that. 00:21:45
You know we're. 00:21:51
Dialing it into the minimum amount that we need to kind of keep it looking the right way. So I think that I think there's AI think 00:21:52
there's a natural incentive. 00:21:56
To keep the water down and the other thing I would make is the. 00:22:01
It's a little bit. 00:22:07
Kind of. 00:22:08
If you go back to the. 00:22:10
The original ones. The original one just yeah, the native. 00:22:12
Shrubs and grasses they're. 00:22:17
There's not, I mean low water St. planners is pretty. 00:22:21
Subjective. I mean, I don't. 00:22:25
I don't know how the city would even be able to manage monitor. Like OK, are these native grasses actually? 00:22:27
Saving a lot of water versus something else. I mean, unless you go around and look at every species and like if someone. 00:22:33
Replaces 1 grass with another grass where this is kind of uniformed across our whole development It'll. 00:22:38
It will allow us to. 00:22:45
Kind of control that better? 00:22:50
And not require you guys to, you know, having to. 00:22:52
Feel like you have to go police when people replace. 00:22:55
Grasses because there is no like specific. 00:22:58
Thing in the neighborhood plan that says. 00:23:01
It has to use this amount of water per square foot or anything like that. It's still pretty subjective. 00:23:04
Fact. I think at some level you could almost walk. We could almost argue if these are native grasses in the saw that they're 00:23:09
redoing it. 00:23:13
Doesn't even. I mean, it's just a different picture, but it. 00:23:16
Kind of meets the verbiage of the. 00:23:19
Of the one that's already in there. 00:23:22
So. 00:23:25
Do you have any other questions for the? 00:23:38
I had mentioned to you I. 00:23:40
I believe, based on the development agreement, that. 00:23:44
This is what I would consider a minor. 00:23:46
Amendment to the neighborhood plan and and based on that. 00:23:50
It seems like the. 00:23:55
Ability to just approve this at the. 00:23:57
Economic development manager or whatever. 00:24:00
Versus having to go through planning and then City Council and everything. 00:24:03
I'd like to, hopefully. 00:24:08
At least half. 00:24:10
You consider. 00:24:13
That, you know, maybe the maybe. 00:24:14
Maybe Morgan talks to the mayor or whatever to say does this. Do you feel like this is a. 00:24:19
Fits under the minor. 00:24:24
The minor option I mean. 00:24:26
The wording is. 00:24:29
I have it, I have it pulled up here, so. 00:24:31
If we're to chat next steps we have. 00:24:34
The you know the DRC would decide. 00:24:38
Here, if this would, I mean, not right now, yeah, but DRC would. 00:24:41
You know, ponder over this and decide if this is going to be a minor or. 00:24:46
A major amendment to the. 00:24:52
Development agreement. 00:24:54
And, umm. 00:24:55
It does say that. 00:24:57
If it's a minor amendment, the community development director. 00:24:59
Going to prove this to happen. 00:25:04
Right. That means it doesn't have to go through City Council, City Council and you know. 00:25:07
All the other staff, Planning Commission, you know. 00:25:12
Just as a kind of a logistics right now we're putting in the front yards of a lot of these our plan right now until we kind of. 00:25:15
Get back some sort of. Do we need to go through the whole process? 00:25:23
So we're planning on planning the street trees and then just. 00:25:27
Waiting to hear whether we're. 00:25:30
Gonna have to put ground cover or grass in there. So I mean in the in the code it does say that minor changes in the conceptual 00:25:32
location of streets. 00:25:37
And public improvements on infrastructure. 00:25:42
Could be approved by the. 00:25:45
Director yeah, public use space is what I would be. This is the planner strip. 00:25:47
So I don't know what that means other than this seems like since it's a city. 00:25:52
Parcel that. 00:25:57
That could be. 00:25:59
Interpreted to be the. 00:26:00
Planner strip. 00:26:02
What does the DRC think? 00:26:04
About this. 00:26:07
Would we want to? 00:26:08
We don't have to make a decision right now. 00:26:10
We can think about it and get back. 00:26:12
To the developer later, but. 00:26:14
Would we want to consider this as a minor? 00:26:18
That's making this addition a shorter one. 00:26:21
Or. 00:26:24
A major one. 00:26:26
But I just share my opinion. 00:26:27
If. 00:26:29
We're going to add a whole option. 00:26:31
To the. 00:26:33
Neighborhood. 00:26:36
I think it should still go through. 00:26:38
The process but not go through City Council. 00:26:40
For the final improvement. 00:26:44
Final approval could probably happen. 00:26:45
At DRC. 00:26:48
But DRC and. 00:26:50
Planning Commission. 00:26:52
But. 00:26:54
It's up to the rest of the Commission to. 00:26:55
The side, it's not up to me alone, but that's what I think because you're adding a whole. 00:26:57
Option 2. 00:27:02
What has been improved? 00:27:03
Actually, two, you're amended for the better. 00:27:04
You know, changing the lawn that you have in there to what a wise one. 00:27:07
And also adding AB of that. So I mean the way I would. 00:27:11
The way I understand that, the way I would kind of view this as we're. 00:27:16
We're taking option B or option 2. 00:27:20
And we're still kind of meeting the goals. 00:27:23
On the left, but we're. 00:27:27
We're just replacing out. 00:27:29
Planner strip. 00:27:30
One native grass with another native grass. 00:27:32
That saves water. 00:27:34
So it's we're not trying to. 00:27:36
Kind of come up with a completely new thing. It's just getting kind of almost clarification on the sidewalk there, you know, it's. 00:27:39
With the idea that we're also. 00:27:45
Committing to. 00:27:48
It's still sod and everything, but we're committing to do a more water efficient sod on the rest of the house. 00:27:51
I'll leave that up to you guys to kind of. 00:27:57
Determine we're just anxious to get going because now is the time to plant grass in the next two or three weeks versus when it 00:27:59
gets hot again. I mean, we were challenged because we were. 00:28:04
Putting this in for the parade. 00:28:09
Umm, you know, the 1st of June when it was starting to get really hot. 00:28:11
That's all I have to say from planning. 00:28:17
For now. 00:28:20
So public works always, like I said before, we're always happy to see. 00:28:23
Things that take less water. 00:28:28
On that to me personally. 00:28:29
It's what's green is green to me at the end of the day. If it takes less water, I call it Salt Lake City type turf grass. You 00:28:32
could call it. I mean go. 00:28:36
I whether there's I mean for reference to Saint Augustine's Georgia grass. 00:28:42
Blue turf grass, which was the university for those specialized. 00:28:47
Genetically modified. 00:28:51
Grass, but last time they did something genetically modified we had love bugs. 00:28:53
We got a lot of bugs, which is not great. 00:28:56
We did get Gary though, so go go Gators. 00:28:58
For me. 00:29:02
But or Bahia grass in terms of that, I mean I always. 00:29:03
My personal house I always shows. 00:29:07
One that made me with water less because. 00:29:09
I want to lower my bills and I appreciate everyone else want to do the same thing. 00:29:12
Ultimately, is the community development director's. 00:29:16
Call, I think his recommendation in terms of. 00:29:19
Whether it's a ministry of change or not to the. 00:29:23
Park strip itself. 00:29:25
I like to have people smarter than me provide the final recommendation. Who is our city arborist? 00:29:27
He has very, he has a lot of contacts with. 00:29:32
Utah State University and so forth. 00:29:35
Just to make sure, because at the end of the day he just wants to make sure whatever is planted in. 00:29:37
Thrives on that so some of his comments may come back with. 00:29:42
Just some types of additional conditions in terms of plantings. 00:29:47
And maintenance and so forth. So I just want to make sure that he has the opportunity to provide that. 00:29:52
That feedback. 00:29:56
You know, to say he's not going to be maintaining it, but. 00:29:58
We always want to be make sure that whatever is being done is successful. 00:30:00
Does it make sense to meet with him or just you've got enough information and just let him kind of? 00:30:05
For their community development director. 00:30:11
Yeah, I'd be happy to talk to them. We've already. 00:30:14
When he's we've got 3 streets that are approved by that there are they're already on. Yeah, when he's back in town. When he's back 00:30:15
in town, it's always better to have that two way conversation. 00:30:19
So he comes with. He'll be back in town on Monday. 00:30:23
And then I'll have, is it OK if I just give them your contact directly? I'll give them your contact number. You can just have that 00:30:26
two way conversation. I'd like to actually. 00:30:30
Talk to them anyhow because we're trying to figure out we had some. 00:30:34
Plants that didn't do in our behind our hedge, we had some plants that didn't do too well in the in the South sun or the West 00:30:40
side, some hydrangeas. So even getting some recommendations of. 00:30:46
Keeping the same look but trying to find something that's a little. They do really well up on the bench in Alpine and stuff, but. 00:30:53
I guess the climate change is enough that it. 00:31:00
It burned them pretty well, so I'd love to just. 00:31:03
Yeah, he'll be more happy like that. Just. 00:31:07
He's a quiet type guy, but when you start talking trees and plants, so he opens up so with a smile on his eyes and he did give us 00:31:09
some spacing on the on the tree streets. So that was that was really helpful for us is to know kind of based on the height these 00:31:15
we'll get where and I encourage you during the whole during the during the development process like during the thing. I mean, 00:31:21
yeah, when you have his contacts, feel free to reach out to him for questions and then. 00:31:26
That during inspections, our inspector in the arborist will be working hand in hand, so. 00:31:32
Great. So that's my that's my other comment. 00:31:38
I'd like the idea of. 00:31:42
Grass. It takes less water. 00:31:45
Seems to me this would be a minor change I believe if we can. 00:31:47
Talk to the arborist and our community development director. We could. 00:31:50
Yeah, maybe make this decision in DRC. 00:31:53
Great. 00:31:55
We appreciate just kind of any. 00:31:57
Any input and kind of? 00:32:01
Helping us move the process along, which you've been great and. 00:32:02
You know, we probably should have started this a couple more months ago. So we were ready to roll right now and that's probably 00:32:06
more on us than you, but. 00:32:09
I'm anxious to. 00:32:13
Just get these houses. 00:32:15
The front gate just changes the whole look of the neighborhood when we get those yards in basically and. 00:32:17
We're trying we hopefully in the next. 00:32:22
Couple of months we'll have. 00:32:25
Completed all the I've started all the homes on Main Street, so we'll at least have Main Street completely. 00:32:26
We want to get, you know, we want to get that completely landscaped and ready to go. 00:32:32
Two houses that we have. 00:32:37
Kind of started yet, but. 00:32:40
Close to starting. 00:32:42
Thanks. OK. Thank you. 00:32:44
That the Commission reports will be. 00:32:55
No, I left my slide. I left my slides at home. 00:32:58
Our next meeting. 00:33:02
All right, see you. 00:33:07
I wanted to. 00:33:11
Also just. 00:33:12
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OK, it is. 00:01:38
907. 00:01:44
On April 3rd, 2025. 00:01:47
We cut order the. 00:01:51
Meeting of DRC. 00:01:53
Our first item will be consent items approval of the November 7th, 2024. 00:01:55
DRC Minutes and also the December 19, 2024 DRC. 00:02:01
Minutes do I have. 00:02:05
Motion. 00:02:08
For approval. 00:02:10
I motion to approve the minutes. 00:02:12
2nd, 2nd. 00:02:15
First from the same, second from Eric. 00:02:16
That's approved. 00:02:21
All in favor. All in favor. 00:02:23
Aye, aye. 00:02:26
There are no business items. We do have one work session all the way. Fields has proposed amendment to approve landscaping plan 00:02:31
and are you? 00:02:35
And Anthony Fletcher will be. 00:02:40
Giving us an update. 00:02:43
All right, so, um. 00:02:48
Dear Commissioners. 00:02:50
The developer of how the way field has. 00:02:52
Expressed interest in. 00:02:55
Add in another option. 00:02:57
To the neighborhood plan. 00:02:59
Which affects the development agreement. 00:03:01
Because the development agreement is linked to follow. 00:03:04
Whatever landscape in. 00:03:07
Options that were provided in the Neighborhood Plan. 00:03:09
So they have expressed interest in adding another option. 00:03:13
Which would allow. 00:03:17
For grass. 00:03:19
To be used. 00:03:20
In the park strip. 00:03:23
They're currently. 00:03:24
Not allowed to do that, however, in. 00:03:26
One of the homes that they have built. 00:03:29
They. 00:03:31
They sampled that out. They put in the grass that they're proposing. 00:03:33
Making them non compliant. 00:03:37
So code enforcement is dealing with them at the moment, but. 00:03:40
Hoping to have the option added to allow. 00:03:43
For that grass and we have Eric Muggle be here. 00:03:47
Who is going to educate us all on? 00:03:51
The grass that he's proposing. 00:03:56
And the options that he would want to have added. 00:03:58
Onto the existing neighborhood plan. 00:04:01
Landscaping options. 00:04:03
That's all we have here. I'll turn it over to Eric Mugabe. 00:04:06
Yeah, sure. 00:04:11
So just a little more. 00:04:13
History on the kind of the existing plot when we were working to get. 00:04:15
Our first house done. Could you kindly state your name and use the mic, Eric? 00:04:20
Eric Mcgleby. 00:04:25
Hold away. 00:04:27
Holdaway fields development. 00:04:29
Just last summer we were working on our first house to get it right. Kind of rushing to get it done for the. 00:04:34
Parade of Homes and we were putting in all the yard and we were still trying to kind of sort out the planter strip so I. 00:04:42
Had talked to Morgan Brim with the Citi and just told them that we were. 00:04:49
Umm, just because of the? 00:04:55
Then kind of the urgency to get ready for the parade of homes. We were going to put in the same. 00:04:58
Grass that we were hoping to use in the future. 00:05:05
With the understanding that if we didn't get approval, we would just. 00:05:07
Pair it out. Umm. 00:05:10
And put in. 00:05:12
A different option. 00:05:13
Fits the neighborhood plan, so it wasn't. 00:05:15
Just stating it was very. 00:05:19
We were very transparent. 00:05:21
This was just a short term thing for the parade and that we realized we needed to get this resolved So what we have. 00:05:23
Found as we found a. 00:05:31
Sod that was developed. 00:05:34
By the city of Salt Lake and Utah State University. 00:05:37
To try and address this whole need for water requirements. 00:05:41
In lowering our water requirements for this. 00:05:45
This area. 00:05:49
And. 00:05:50
Based on what they've determined, it saves about 40% water on the. 00:05:52
Thing and we could, if you want, we could play the little. 00:06:02
Presentation if you have more questions on that is that. 00:06:06
But I'll kind of go through and we can kind of talk about it. 00:06:10
But our in kind of looking at it, we. 00:06:14
We've, we've really been trying to find a kind of a solution for the parking strips that would kind of. 00:06:17
Meet the requirements of the city and when we. 00:06:24
When we originally put this plan, one of the City Councilman Tice was just like we need to have a water. 00:06:26
Wise planner strip option or or. 00:06:33
Requirement basically and so. 00:06:36
What we've done is we've looked at kind of an option that we feel like will save the city substantial water over the existing plan 00:06:38
in the. 00:06:42
In the. 00:06:48
In the neighborhood plan of our development agreement. 00:06:49
And uh. 00:06:52
If you want to just maybe pull up. 00:06:54
Traditional low maintenance. This is the plan that's approved by the city. Not yeah, not that one, but the. 00:06:57
This traditional low maintenance. 00:07:08
Right. 00:07:15
Right. So go to the. 00:07:21
Go to the second one. 00:07:23
Sorry. 00:07:24
Traditional low maintenance. 00:07:28
So what what we are proposing? 00:07:30
Is uh. 00:07:33
Taking all of the sod that right now is just the normal sod. 00:07:35
And putting it into a water wise sod. 00:07:39
That's been developed here for this climate. 00:07:43
With the understanding that we would also be able to put it in the planner strip. 00:07:46
So that really the change that we're making is kind of an addendum or an option to be is what I labeled it. 00:07:52
Which basically allows us to have. 00:07:58
Umm. 00:08:02
Yeah, a water wise sod with the other and based on our calculations we think this will save the city. 00:08:06
Somewhere between 20 and 30%. 00:08:13
Water usage. 00:08:15
On this option. 00:08:17
And that was. 00:08:19
The main driver for. 00:08:20
The. 00:08:22
City requiring the planner strips be. 00:08:25
Umm, as he described, kind of. I mean, it basically states native native grasses and. 00:08:29
Low Water St. Planners. 00:08:35
So that's our, that's our proposal. We think one, it'll be easier to maintain less. 00:08:37
Less weeds, but. 00:08:43
Just as importantly, just kind of the look of the neighborhood we're trying to get is to kind of keep it all consistent with. 00:08:45
With kind of a, you know, a traditional walkable neighborhood. 00:08:52
And we think this option basically is better for the city because it saves, you know, substantial water. And what we're saying is 00:08:57
we'll commit. 00:09:00
To putting in the water wise lawn. 00:09:04
Not only in the planner strip, but in the. 00:09:06
The rest of the yards, even though it's it's a little bit more expensive than traditional sod. 00:09:09
So that's the proposal is. 00:09:15
Adding a. 00:09:18
A minor change which I don't think. 00:09:20
Umm deviates from kind of the spirit of what we were trying to accomplish in the original. 00:09:23
Three options. 00:09:27
So I have a question. Sanderson public Works city engineer but. 00:09:29
What's the cost difference between the southern? It's about $0.50 a square foot difference, so additional. 00:09:34
Yeah. And then also the availability for suppliers for availability for suppliers for this type of solid is, is a very limited no, 00:09:40
no. I mean we were able to get it within a week last year and it's becoming very. 00:09:48
In fact, it's probably something that the. 00:09:56
What we don't know, what we don't know is how durable it is for like a park or something because there's a lot of there, there 00:09:59
isn't a lot of traffic. These are just front yards with sidewalks and planner strips, but. 00:10:05
I know that other. 00:10:11
Other municipalities we're talking to S Water. 00:10:13
Conservancy district for our project, we have a project up in there in their area as well. 00:10:16
So I think there's a lot of people and in the original. 00:10:21
Little video that was on that we sent. 00:10:26
You know, they had sold out, but that was like 2 years ago and I think they've been developing it. 00:10:30
So I think we're comfortable that we can get it. 00:10:35
On a timely matter, they're sod farms now that. 00:10:38
They're actively. 00:10:41
Putting it in Yeah, the main reasons I was asking specifically for this case is. 00:10:44
So landscaping on the. 00:10:50
On the inside of the sidewalk between the house and the sidewalk is obviously the homeowners. 00:10:54
Responsibilities and then the park strips itself. 00:10:59
Technically it being the. 00:11:02
Actually for our development, we're responsible for putting in the front yards well the HOA. So either the HOA, well actually just 00:11:05
as part of our when we sell the house, OK. 00:11:10
But in regards to the locker maintenance and so forth, it's outside. I mean it's a private entity front yards and the and the 00:11:15
planner strips are all maintained by the HOA on our. 00:11:20
Ones that are in the. 00:11:25
Plus 55, yeah, I understand that, but yeah, Egg said. 00:11:26
In regards to the maintenance, that's correct. I mean it's inside the cities right away the. 00:11:29
Question I just have is I just want to make sure that there's a way to make sure that's clear because. 00:11:36
There does work does happen within the park strips being since it's part of the. 00:11:39
Part of the right of way in terms of maintenance and also. 00:11:45
There's utility easements that are on the on the private property. 00:11:49
Where you have some private company, other utility companies like the power company. 00:11:55
You may have the power company, gas company, telecommunication companies running lines, and so forth. 00:12:01
And when they go typically with saws and so forth, they, you know, they cut out, they put, they place it back. But then there's 00:12:06
instances where they actually had to. 00:12:10
They bring in sod. 00:12:15
In order to replace it, because what they did is damaged it to the point where they just don't put the existing side back. 00:12:17
I want to make sure that. 00:12:24
Is there a mechanism where the? 00:12:26
Well, consider. Maybe you'll know the answer because, well, I mean the way I would. 00:12:29
Consider it as. 00:12:34
Like, let's just say there was just ornamental grasses there and they tore them up and they had to replace them. 00:12:35
We have to get approval that. 00:12:40
Put them in and we just. 00:12:42
Replacing Masada has to be this type of sod. I don't think this type of sod is going away. I think it's becoming more and more 00:12:44
prevalent. 00:12:47
Like I said, I think if it shows that it wears well, people will put it. 00:12:51
Where they have high traffic on their grasses as well. 00:12:55
We didn't really worry about that part of it because it was really primarily for. 00:12:58
These kind of front yards. 00:13:03
But yeah, I mean, I think we just. 00:13:05
Stipulate that. 00:13:06
They tear it out. We have to put in the same type of. 00:13:08
Saw it or tear it up and put in. 00:13:10
You know, I mean, it's got to be one of the things that's approved in the. 00:13:14
In the development plan. 00:13:18
In the in the neighborhood plan. Just out curiosity and maybe I should know this answer, but the is the HOA. 00:13:20
Like the yards, is the HOA managing the maintenance of the park strips and the front yards or mate like in the grass cutting and 00:13:27
the and the watering, fertilizing. It's not the it's not the homeowner. 00:13:34
In the active adult community, the larger lots like the ones we have along Stillwater. 00:13:42
And all of Cadence the I think the homeowners are responsible for that or at least for the active adult community. Just make sure 00:13:49
that I mean for in terms because I just think about doing. 00:13:54
When we prove encroachments easement Christmas permits in order to allow utilities to go in. 00:13:59
Other utilities to be coping or even serviced. 00:14:04
That. 00:14:07
To post stipulation about coordinating with the HOA in regards to lawn restoration. 00:14:09
This way, because the one thing that say, doesn't want to do is we don't want to get business. 00:14:15
Doing specialized bonds. And then the other aspect is we don't want and we don't want to and we don't want to put anyone in a 00:14:20
detriment where the. 00:14:24
People don't know. 00:14:28
Yeah, it's like there. So utility company comes in and just puts in whatever crab graphs they decide to put in because they didn't 00:14:30
know that there was a specialized grass there too, so. 00:14:34
I think we have 1000. I mean, I think, I think that's in place in the development agreement and our CCNRS and everything. But we 00:14:39
could, we could. 00:14:42
Solidify that. 00:14:47
Somehow if you're. 00:14:48
I wouldn't be worried about it just because I know it's just off chance. I mean, typically, yeah. No, I mean, it's good to be. 00:14:49
I think. 00:14:57
Just letting him know, hey, you can't just stick any set replacement. Will this change your irrigation requirements at all in 00:14:58
terms of because I know there was a push or there was a push? 00:15:03
At the state level about. 00:15:08
Instead of doing like pop up heads that's sprays but doing like. 00:15:10
What do they call drip? Yeah, drip. Blondes. Yeah. I mean, we would assume that we would spray this. We would. 00:15:17
We've talked about making sure that we spray towards the sidewalk so there's no water going into. If it hits the sidewalk, it's 00:15:23
going to come back into the grass, but. 00:15:26
I mean, when we put them in last year, we didn't see a lot of. 00:15:30
Water on that and I think. 00:15:34
Umm, you know, clearly if you had a drip system in there, it would probably minimize it a little bit more, but I think we make up 00:15:38
for that more than make up for that by. 00:15:42
Switching the slot out on. 00:15:47
On the rest of the prop of the. 00:15:49
The front yard, basically. 00:15:51
The HOA is managing this regular system, right? Yeah, OK. 00:15:53
The other aspect is sometimes homeowners are the best intentions. They all know that especially when they move into a new house, 00:15:57
they have the. 00:16:01
Irrigation system. 00:16:05
Is on for new grass and then. 00:16:06
Typically after a few, like after a month or so, they're supposed to turn it down lower. Some homeowners don't know about that, 00:16:09
which is what we did last summer. We, you know, we watered a little heavy for the first five or six weeks to get the roots in and 00:16:14
then we switched it and we, we cut it way back down. 00:16:18
I don't have any questions or let me when. 00:16:24
Are for the city, for the public works, and they are. 00:16:29
Our city arborist who's out of town this week. Cool. 00:16:32
Go into it, take a look at it. He may have some follow up questions but I'll have them contact you directly. 00:16:35
Thanks. 00:16:40
One quick question in your. 00:16:42
Pilot area. 00:16:45
How did it? 00:16:46
End up looking is it as green as people like it? They look great. I mean it, it looks a little different in the winter it because 00:16:48
they're using these kind of native grasses. So it's got a little bit of a. 00:16:52
Purplish look to it, but. 00:16:58
I mean, I can show you pictures of it through the summer. 00:17:02
I think it looked really well. I mean, I don't know if you were able to get out and look at it. I. 00:17:05
I couldn't tell any difference from. 00:17:09
Regular grasses. 00:17:10
So great. 00:17:14
So this water. 00:17:18
This grass uses 40% less water. So does this water grass get watered every day still or is it every other day? 00:17:19
I think we just turned down the amount of water by 40, you know, 40%. So I think we do kind of a. 00:17:26
I don't, to be honest, I don't know what our standard. 00:17:32
Watering. 00:17:35
Protocol is in terms of. 00:17:37
Watering every day or every other day? I know we were watering. 00:17:41
Every day when we were kind of first putting it in. 00:17:46
Thanks. 00:17:49
Any other questions? 00:17:56
I mean, one point in the scene could maybe? 00:18:04
The main issue I think. 00:18:07
For going to these was really a water conservation issue, not a not an aesthetic issue. And it was really Tyson. It was I mean 00:18:09
basically. 00:18:13
That I'm not going to approve the plan unless you have. 00:18:17
A some sort of water, water conservative type of approach. So I feel like from the spirit of the. 00:18:22
The project this is actually. 00:18:28
I mean, I haven't talked to him about it, but. 00:18:30
And it's a different council and everything now, but I think. 00:18:33
The spirit of this was to save water, and I think this approach actually saves more water for the city, which is which is a 00:18:36
benefit and. 00:18:39
Aside from the other benefits of I just think it's going to be much easier to maintain and look better and all those kind of 00:18:43
things. No, and again I appreciate, I appreciate that. And definitely we're always pushing for water wise type efforts. And so I 00:18:48
think it might also be a good. 00:18:53
To be able to have something like this in the city where you can monitor it and then. 00:18:58
When we put the parts in and next in the next couple of years, I mean that's where you would have a huge savings. 00:19:03
In water. 00:19:09
If you feel. 00:19:11
I mean, I just don't know how it would hold up with. 00:19:13
Soccer. 00:19:15
Kids running around and things like that. But it's something we could kind of even kind of explore over the next year. I mean, 00:19:18
it's probably something you guys should look into just because it's. 00:19:21
You know, it was developed here for the local community and. 00:19:26
And. 00:19:29
I'm sure Utah State and. 00:19:32
City of Salt Lake and that are starting to collect data on how. 00:19:34
You know how durable it is for. 00:19:37
For activities, we didn't worry about it because again, it was just front yards that weren't going to be really walked on. 00:19:39
Like I said, in terms of public works and so forth, I mean, we're always actively pushing for. 00:19:46
Water conservations and so forth. I mean, we have drinking water weight coming up in a couple. 00:19:51
Next month where we're going to. 00:19:55
Be doing a lot of pushing on that and. 00:19:57
Are I guess my biggest. 00:19:59
My only concern is not really much of A concern, it's just a lot of times these good faith efforts get put into it. 00:20:01
And then on the. 00:20:07
To follow through and of it now just fades away. 00:20:09
In terms of the maintenance on it or the watering itself like so you put in these water wise type. 00:20:12
I think type of items and then. 00:20:18
People don't. 00:20:21
Lower their water usage so then they become over watered and then you know too much water actually has a negative effect. As an 00:20:22
example in Florida. 00:20:26
Now, people who would. 00:20:31
Water the lawns a lot, especially for Saint Augustine grass. They love Saint Augustine grass. Yeah, they water way too much. And 00:20:32
then they turn into having lots of weeds because of that. Yeah. And that, that takes it away. I have the hay grass. 00:20:38
And if you over water it you get the same thing. Luckily I watered my lawn maybe three times a year. 00:20:45
In Florida, not because of the because it was a very, it was a very water wise, drought resistant type grass. 00:20:51
It wasn't the previous, but that, but then. 00:20:57
My biggest thing is just want to make sure that if work is done on that, that we're not. 00:20:59
That we have something in place that we're that the contractor or even the city. 00:21:03
That has a mechanism to ensure that all the good faith efforts that have been put into place. 00:21:08
Is, you know, the integrity is maintained that we're not going in there and say. 00:21:14
We just go to your Home Depot, find some whatever grass, throw it down there, and then next thing you know. 00:21:19
That grass over it takes the nice, the water wise grass and then you just have a big mess on your hands. That's so that's the 00:21:24
biggest thing. I just want to make sure and that's that's that's a good point. 00:21:28
I think. 00:21:33
Kind of a couple of other things, just in terms of. 00:21:36
The fact that the HOA is going to manage all these, they're going to be motivated to keep the water down because they're. 00:21:39
They're paying the water bill basically, so they'll want to, they'll want to make sure that. 00:21:45
You know we're. 00:21:51
Dialing it into the minimum amount that we need to kind of keep it looking the right way. So I think that I think there's AI think 00:21:52
there's a natural incentive. 00:21:56
To keep the water down and the other thing I would make is the. 00:22:01
It's a little bit. 00:22:07
Kind of. 00:22:08
If you go back to the. 00:22:10
The original ones. The original one just yeah, the native. 00:22:12
Shrubs and grasses they're. 00:22:17
There's not, I mean low water St. planners is pretty. 00:22:21
Subjective. I mean, I don't. 00:22:25
I don't know how the city would even be able to manage monitor. Like OK, are these native grasses actually? 00:22:27
Saving a lot of water versus something else. I mean, unless you go around and look at every species and like if someone. 00:22:33
Replaces 1 grass with another grass where this is kind of uniformed across our whole development It'll. 00:22:38
It will allow us to. 00:22:45
Kind of control that better? 00:22:50
And not require you guys to, you know, having to. 00:22:52
Feel like you have to go police when people replace. 00:22:55
Grasses because there is no like specific. 00:22:58
Thing in the neighborhood plan that says. 00:23:01
It has to use this amount of water per square foot or anything like that. It's still pretty subjective. 00:23:04
Fact. I think at some level you could almost walk. We could almost argue if these are native grasses in the saw that they're 00:23:09
redoing it. 00:23:13
Doesn't even. I mean, it's just a different picture, but it. 00:23:16
Kind of meets the verbiage of the. 00:23:19
Of the one that's already in there. 00:23:22
So. 00:23:25
Do you have any other questions for the? 00:23:38
I had mentioned to you I. 00:23:40
I believe, based on the development agreement, that. 00:23:44
This is what I would consider a minor. 00:23:46
Amendment to the neighborhood plan and and based on that. 00:23:50
It seems like the. 00:23:55
Ability to just approve this at the. 00:23:57
Economic development manager or whatever. 00:24:00
Versus having to go through planning and then City Council and everything. 00:24:03
I'd like to, hopefully. 00:24:08
At least half. 00:24:10
You consider. 00:24:13
That, you know, maybe the maybe. 00:24:14
Maybe Morgan talks to the mayor or whatever to say does this. Do you feel like this is a. 00:24:19
Fits under the minor. 00:24:24
The minor option I mean. 00:24:26
The wording is. 00:24:29
I have it, I have it pulled up here, so. 00:24:31
If we're to chat next steps we have. 00:24:34
The you know the DRC would decide. 00:24:38
Here, if this would, I mean, not right now, yeah, but DRC would. 00:24:41
You know, ponder over this and decide if this is going to be a minor or. 00:24:46
A major amendment to the. 00:24:52
Development agreement. 00:24:54
And, umm. 00:24:55
It does say that. 00:24:57
If it's a minor amendment, the community development director. 00:24:59
Going to prove this to happen. 00:25:04
Right. That means it doesn't have to go through City Council, City Council and you know. 00:25:07
All the other staff, Planning Commission, you know. 00:25:12
Just as a kind of a logistics right now we're putting in the front yards of a lot of these our plan right now until we kind of. 00:25:15
Get back some sort of. Do we need to go through the whole process? 00:25:23
So we're planning on planning the street trees and then just. 00:25:27
Waiting to hear whether we're. 00:25:30
Gonna have to put ground cover or grass in there. So I mean in the in the code it does say that minor changes in the conceptual 00:25:32
location of streets. 00:25:37
And public improvements on infrastructure. 00:25:42
Could be approved by the. 00:25:45
Director yeah, public use space is what I would be. This is the planner strip. 00:25:47
So I don't know what that means other than this seems like since it's a city. 00:25:52
Parcel that. 00:25:57
That could be. 00:25:59
Interpreted to be the. 00:26:00
Planner strip. 00:26:02
What does the DRC think? 00:26:04
About this. 00:26:07
Would we want to? 00:26:08
We don't have to make a decision right now. 00:26:10
We can think about it and get back. 00:26:12
To the developer later, but. 00:26:14
Would we want to consider this as a minor? 00:26:18
That's making this addition a shorter one. 00:26:21
Or. 00:26:24
A major one. 00:26:26
But I just share my opinion. 00:26:27
If. 00:26:29
We're going to add a whole option. 00:26:31
To the. 00:26:33
Neighborhood. 00:26:36
I think it should still go through. 00:26:38
The process but not go through City Council. 00:26:40
For the final improvement. 00:26:44
Final approval could probably happen. 00:26:45
At DRC. 00:26:48
But DRC and. 00:26:50
Planning Commission. 00:26:52
But. 00:26:54
It's up to the rest of the Commission to. 00:26:55
The side, it's not up to me alone, but that's what I think because you're adding a whole. 00:26:57
Option 2. 00:27:02
What has been improved? 00:27:03
Actually, two, you're amended for the better. 00:27:04
You know, changing the lawn that you have in there to what a wise one. 00:27:07
And also adding AB of that. So I mean the way I would. 00:27:11
The way I understand that, the way I would kind of view this as we're. 00:27:16
We're taking option B or option 2. 00:27:20
And we're still kind of meeting the goals. 00:27:23
On the left, but we're. 00:27:27
We're just replacing out. 00:27:29
Planner strip. 00:27:30
One native grass with another native grass. 00:27:32
That saves water. 00:27:34
So it's we're not trying to. 00:27:36
Kind of come up with a completely new thing. It's just getting kind of almost clarification on the sidewalk there, you know, it's. 00:27:39
With the idea that we're also. 00:27:45
Committing to. 00:27:48
It's still sod and everything, but we're committing to do a more water efficient sod on the rest of the house. 00:27:51
I'll leave that up to you guys to kind of. 00:27:57
Determine we're just anxious to get going because now is the time to plant grass in the next two or three weeks versus when it 00:27:59
gets hot again. I mean, we were challenged because we were. 00:28:04
Putting this in for the parade. 00:28:09
Umm, you know, the 1st of June when it was starting to get really hot. 00:28:11
That's all I have to say from planning. 00:28:17
For now. 00:28:20
So public works always, like I said before, we're always happy to see. 00:28:23
Things that take less water. 00:28:28
On that to me personally. 00:28:29
It's what's green is green to me at the end of the day. If it takes less water, I call it Salt Lake City type turf grass. You 00:28:32
could call it. I mean go. 00:28:36
I whether there's I mean for reference to Saint Augustine's Georgia grass. 00:28:42
Blue turf grass, which was the university for those specialized. 00:28:47
Genetically modified. 00:28:51
Grass, but last time they did something genetically modified we had love bugs. 00:28:53
We got a lot of bugs, which is not great. 00:28:56
We did get Gary though, so go go Gators. 00:28:58
For me. 00:29:02
But or Bahia grass in terms of that, I mean I always. 00:29:03
My personal house I always shows. 00:29:07
One that made me with water less because. 00:29:09
I want to lower my bills and I appreciate everyone else want to do the same thing. 00:29:12
Ultimately, is the community development director's. 00:29:16
Call, I think his recommendation in terms of. 00:29:19
Whether it's a ministry of change or not to the. 00:29:23
Park strip itself. 00:29:25
I like to have people smarter than me provide the final recommendation. Who is our city arborist? 00:29:27
He has very, he has a lot of contacts with. 00:29:32
Utah State University and so forth. 00:29:35
Just to make sure, because at the end of the day he just wants to make sure whatever is planted in. 00:29:37
Thrives on that so some of his comments may come back with. 00:29:42
Just some types of additional conditions in terms of plantings. 00:29:47
And maintenance and so forth. So I just want to make sure that he has the opportunity to provide that. 00:29:52
That feedback. 00:29:56
You know, to say he's not going to be maintaining it, but. 00:29:58
We always want to be make sure that whatever is being done is successful. 00:30:00
Does it make sense to meet with him or just you've got enough information and just let him kind of? 00:30:05
For their community development director. 00:30:11
Yeah, I'd be happy to talk to them. We've already. 00:30:14
When he's we've got 3 streets that are approved by that there are they're already on. Yeah, when he's back in town. When he's back 00:30:15
in town, it's always better to have that two way conversation. 00:30:19
So he comes with. He'll be back in town on Monday. 00:30:23
And then I'll have, is it OK if I just give them your contact directly? I'll give them your contact number. You can just have that 00:30:26
two way conversation. I'd like to actually. 00:30:30
Talk to them anyhow because we're trying to figure out we had some. 00:30:34
Plants that didn't do in our behind our hedge, we had some plants that didn't do too well in the in the South sun or the West 00:30:40
side, some hydrangeas. So even getting some recommendations of. 00:30:46
Keeping the same look but trying to find something that's a little. They do really well up on the bench in Alpine and stuff, but. 00:30:53
I guess the climate change is enough that it. 00:31:00
It burned them pretty well, so I'd love to just. 00:31:03
Yeah, he'll be more happy like that. Just. 00:31:07
He's a quiet type guy, but when you start talking trees and plants, so he opens up so with a smile on his eyes and he did give us 00:31:09
some spacing on the on the tree streets. So that was that was really helpful for us is to know kind of based on the height these 00:31:15
we'll get where and I encourage you during the whole during the during the development process like during the thing. I mean, 00:31:21
yeah, when you have his contacts, feel free to reach out to him for questions and then. 00:31:26
That during inspections, our inspector in the arborist will be working hand in hand, so. 00:31:32
Great. So that's my that's my other comment. 00:31:38
I'd like the idea of. 00:31:42
Grass. It takes less water. 00:31:45
Seems to me this would be a minor change I believe if we can. 00:31:47
Talk to the arborist and our community development director. We could. 00:31:50
Yeah, maybe make this decision in DRC. 00:31:53
Great. 00:31:55
We appreciate just kind of any. 00:31:57
Any input and kind of? 00:32:01
Helping us move the process along, which you've been great and. 00:32:02
You know, we probably should have started this a couple more months ago. So we were ready to roll right now and that's probably 00:32:06
more on us than you, but. 00:32:09
I'm anxious to. 00:32:13
Just get these houses. 00:32:15
The front gate just changes the whole look of the neighborhood when we get those yards in basically and. 00:32:17
We're trying we hopefully in the next. 00:32:22
Couple of months we'll have. 00:32:25
Completed all the I've started all the homes on Main Street, so we'll at least have Main Street completely. 00:32:26
We want to get, you know, we want to get that completely landscaped and ready to go. 00:32:32
Two houses that we have. 00:32:37
Kind of started yet, but. 00:32:40
Close to starting. 00:32:42
Thanks. OK. Thank you. 00:32:44
That the Commission reports will be. 00:32:55
No, I left my slide. I left my slides at home. 00:32:58
Our next meeting. 00:33:02
All right, see you. 00:33:07
I wanted to. 00:33:11
Also just. 00:33:12
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