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All right. 00:00:00
Thank you everybody for coming. We're going to go ahead and get started. Welcome to the City of Vineyard Planning Commission 00:00:01
meeting. 00:00:05
Of May 7th, 2025. 00:00:09
We're going to start with item number one, which is our call to order. 00:00:13
Order has been called. 00:00:18
And an invocation by Kayden. 00:00:19
And then the Pledge of Allegiance. 00:00:22
Urgent Heavenly Father, we're thankful for this beautiful day which we've been given him for the opportunity that we have to 00:00:27
gather as. 00:00:30
Residents and citizens of a vineyard. 00:00:34
And we're thankful for this opportunity to. 00:00:36
To commit. 00:00:39
To our city and. 00:00:42
Try to make it better for ourselves and for our families and we're thankful for. 00:00:43
All that that goes into. 00:00:47
Making this a great place to live, we ask that thy spirit be here with us tonight as we. 00:00:49
Ask questions and make decisions that. 00:00:52
We will know how. 00:00:55
How to proceed, Father? We ask that that would please. 00:00:56
Help us to. 00:00:59
To be good stewards and we. 00:01:00
Ask these things in the name of Jesus Christ, Amen. 00:01:02
Amen. Right. Everyone, please stand. 00:01:04
I pledge allegiance to the flag. 00:01:10
Of the United States of America. 00:01:13
And to the public for which? 00:01:15
One of the nation under God and indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:01:18
Great. Thank you so much. 00:01:24
All right, we are going to have a slight modification to the agenda. 00:01:29
Before moving on to item number 2, which is our stormwater training. 00:01:33
We will first have a business item 5.6, which is the public hearing for the Utah City zoning text amendment. 00:01:38
Unless there are any objections. 00:01:47
Hearing none, let's just go ahead and do that and then we'll continue on in the agenda as has been published. 00:01:50
So we'll start with staff. 00:01:56
And cash. 00:01:59
Great. 00:02:01
This should be loading here. We do have a brief presentation by the applicant, Bronson Tatten with Flagborough. 00:02:02
In brief summary, they've this is an applicant initiated zoning test amendment text amendment. 00:02:07
And we can just go through the presentation and you can kind of see the updated language of what they're proposing. 00:02:13
And we asked them to kind of show what the outcome of the zoning text amendment will be. So if you do recommend approval when it 00:02:18
goes through through City Council. 00:02:21
What are the kind of changes that could be implemented throughout the Utah City development so. 00:02:25
I'll let Bronson. 00:02:29
Run away with the presentation here. 00:02:31
OK. So the way I kind of laid this out is these are kind of the four different items that we're looking to amend. 00:02:40
In the form based code for. 00:02:46
The downtown. 00:02:49
And so we'll kind of just talk about what's changing. 00:02:50
And I think so after this cash will show exactly the changes. This is kind of. 00:02:54
Just a summary and then I'll show like an application of how we're planning on. 00:03:01
Using that. 00:03:07
That amendment, so go ahead to the next one. 00:03:08
So in the use table, we're adding in a commercial outdoor recreational use. 00:03:12
And we're removing that use from the prohibited list. 00:03:17
And so if you go to the next one, what we're. 00:03:21
A lot of you already know about the Wellness Center and the resort pool. 00:03:24
So in the code this just. 00:03:28
Allows this to happen. 00:03:29
This is the current layout that we're now in for site plan review. 00:03:32
Site plan amendment. 00:03:38
In a separate application. 00:03:40
Some of the pool shapes have changed. 00:03:42
They're reflecting more of the architectural style of the building. 00:03:45
And then the other area that we're looking that is also submitted for a site plan. 00:03:50
Application is this Utah City Racquet Club so if you go to the next one cash. 00:03:55
It's basically a pickle ball. 00:04:00
With. 00:04:02
A basketball court and then those three courts going north-south. 00:04:03
Our pedal courts. 00:04:09
And if you don't know about Fidel yet. 00:04:11
Search Padell PADEL. 00:04:13
And it's like an up and coming sport that looks super fun. 00:04:17
And then one thing that this site plan that we're making a change is there will be also two tennis courts in this area. 00:04:20
So that's kind of the application of how we are, why we're asking to amend the code to allow for commercial outdoor recreational 00:04:28
use. 00:04:32
And then the flexible building. 00:04:38
What we're looking to do is have a little bit of flexibility on the building types in the code. 00:04:41
Some as we've been planning some of these areas out and some of our. 00:04:47
Our district energy. 00:04:51
Infrastructure. We need to use some shipping containers like modular buildings. 00:04:54
To house some boiler systems and things for the district energy. 00:05:01
And then in the pickleball court area, we're going to do some restrooms out of a shipping container. 00:05:05
Umm, this is kind of what some of those will look like. 00:05:12
The amendment in the code will just allow us to have a little bit of flexibility on building type. These will come in. Some of 00:05:16
them are. These are all temporary and will eventually come out. 00:05:20
When the property develops to its. 00:05:25
Its future use, which you know will be more urban. 00:05:28
Dense construction. 00:05:32
And then in the lake Promenade uses. 00:05:35
We're just making. 00:05:39
We're adding a use table in the. 00:05:40
The Lake promenade. There is already a table of kind of what their requirements are of the Lake promenade. 00:05:44
And we're adding a couple of uses in there which. 00:05:48
Allows us to do the Wellness and resort pool. 00:05:51
Function. 00:05:56
And this is the block four of the. 00:05:58
The promenade is now called the Green Line. 00:06:00
The promenade is like an open space type and the name of that open space type is the green line. 00:06:04
And inside that this. 00:06:10
Kind of the white buildings in the middle. 00:06:12
We're going to bring a restaurant into that larger building. In the middle will be a restaurant and then the. 00:06:14
Five buildings on the north, the smaller buildings and the five buildings on the South. 00:06:20
Will be little retail shops like this? 00:06:24
And so we felt like it was necessary to amend the code to allow for retail to happen. 00:06:27
Inside of the. 00:06:33
The green Line. 00:06:35
And the restaurant as well. 00:06:36
And then finally, our last one is a sign type amendment. 00:06:38
There was. 00:06:43
An existing sign type which is a corner sign which allowed for a vertical sign on the corner of a building. 00:06:44
And we are proposing to kind of take that same idea, but move it into the middle of the building. So instead of a corner sign 00:06:50
type, it's gonna it'll be a blade sign. 00:06:55
So in the table you'll see corner blade. 00:07:00
And we feel like that will help accommodate this. 00:07:03
This sign style. 00:07:05
So this is the blade sign that we're proposing on the. 00:07:07
Building that's closest to completion. It's called 120 Bend. 00:07:11
And this is a sign that we're proposing to put on the north side of the building, like along the Green Line. 00:07:15
And if you go to the next one cache this is. 00:07:21
How it looks on the building. 00:07:24
So those are the. 00:07:26
Summary of the amendments and how we plan to apply them and then cash, I guess you can kind of go through. 00:07:27
More in detail exactly how the code changes to accommodate that. 00:07:33
Just let me know if you have any questions, I can come back up. 00:07:37
Thanks. 00:07:39
We'll have Cash finish explaining how the ordinance would amend the code based off the request here. 00:07:41
And then? 00:07:48
Will have any questions for staff or the applicant. So, yeah, so I've displayed up here just the use table as Bronson was talking 00:07:49
about here. So we've added commercial, commercial outdoor recreation. 00:07:55
We have a conditional in the downtown station and then permitted. 00:08:01
In downtown, mixed-use Ville General lakefront commercial and not permitted in lakefront residential. 00:08:04
We did also add flexible commercial modules. 00:08:09
As conditional across the board there. 00:08:12
And then you can see here we struck out the. 00:08:14
Commercial after recreation from the prohibited list. 00:08:17
Down here, this is where we get into kind of the design criteria of the flexible commercial modules. It's kind of a unique use. 00:08:21
We didn't feel that it was quite an accessory structure, and so we wanted to draft up its own kind of language. 00:08:28
So, you know, we have them as it's designed to support temporary, long-term or pop-up commercial uses, including retail. 00:08:34
Foodservice or cultural programming? 00:08:42
They can be located in any of those areas that I mentioned, as well as open space, open spaces, urban plazas, courtyards, parks. 00:08:45
Or partials that are undeveloped or waiting to be constructed. 00:08:53
And then the third section is we do have kind of design criteria that we want to make sure that these don't necessarily look like 00:08:57
just shipping containers. We want to make sure that they're they're elevated and they fit within the built environment. And as you 00:09:02
saw from from the images Bronson displayed, that's what they're proposing to do. 00:09:08
Further down, this is the use table for the promenade itself and you'll see. 00:09:16
We have some uses here. We have the aquatic facility, ancillary commercial and the flexible commercial modules. 00:09:20
As a conditional use, Sorry, the flexible commercial modules is conditional use. The other two are permitted. 00:09:27
Same thing in plazas. We added the the use table there for those flexible commercial modules. 00:09:36
As commercial use. 00:09:43
And then? 00:09:45
The sine this is the last edit right here. 00:09:46
You can see it says corner slash blade. 00:09:50
We have a maximum of 40 feet. 00:09:52
And a sign area of 45 square feet. 00:09:55
One thing I do want to recommend that we do add into the language of that sign type as you saw from that image. 00:09:59
That that Bronson displayed that we. 00:10:07
That they're kind of wrapping the base of the pole with brick, so it appears as it's like attached to the building. 00:10:09
And so we did want to add in that that condition that the all blade signs. 00:10:15
The base of them are wrapped to. 00:10:20
Sorry, I have the language right here. They must be wrapped to appear connected to the adjacent building facade. 00:10:22
Yeah. And cash maybe just on that. 00:10:32
I think we're OK with that if in the case where some of the blade signs may not be connected to the ground like this one is. 00:10:34
If we can just attach it to the building. 00:10:40
That would. That would be normally our preferred way if there's like a pole base to the blade sign. 00:10:43
That would be wrapped. 00:10:48
Wonderful. 00:10:51
That's all that I have. 00:10:52
OK, great. Thank you. 00:10:54
Commission members, first, are there any questions for either cash or for the applicant? 00:10:57
No. 00:11:05
Seeing none. OK. I have a few questions primarily for cash, SO. 00:11:07
Get ready. OK, So first, could you provide a little background information on why the outdoor rec area use was prohibited in the 00:11:12
1st place? Do you recall why that was a consideration? I might ask Morgan, that was before my time here. I don't know if he 00:11:18
remembers that. So. 00:11:24
So the code has been modified several times times the. 00:11:32
I this is probably our since I've been here nine years, it's like our twelve time many design. It always gets gets tweaked. 00:11:37
But just generally kind of what we've looked at with the sign code is trying to correct. 00:11:46
Oh, I'm sorry. OK, I don't. 00:11:53
I apologize, I'm reading through. 00:11:55
The next report. OK, good. 00:11:57
So during the during the downtown discussion. 00:11:59
We really just looked at kind of the uses that that we felt would be the most appropriate. 00:12:03
The algo recreation there. 00:12:08
And now there wasn't like a really in-depth discussion about it, but it was you potentially could get things that. 00:12:11
Would take up land that is going to be kind of your prime retail land that we want from an economic development standpoint to help 00:12:16
drive. 00:12:20
Kind of our future sales tax. 00:12:25
And so there there there's concerns about just having. 00:12:27
Really large uses that brought in fairly little bit of tax value. 00:12:30
And well, one of those at the time, we were talking about a large soccer complex that would be the outdoor. It wasn't with the 00:12:35
developer, but there was things like that that were coming into the city. 00:12:40
That that could potentially gobble up like 10 to 20 acres of land. And so there there was definitely some fear that we would take 00:12:45
up our prime like sales tax generating area with really large commercial outdoor recruit. 00:12:52
So but what what's what's been proposed? It actually makes makes a lot of sense. 00:12:59
OK, thank you. That was exactly what I assumed as well. 00:13:04
I just wanted to confirm it the uses proposed tonight. It really does mix well with. 00:13:07
Retail and commercial oriented. 00:13:13
Business and development. 00:13:16
Yeah. We saw that it was a commercial use, but it also provided kind of an amenity for the residents, everything in there as well. 00:13:17
So I think having it in that specific district is perfectly appropriate. 00:13:21
Second, regarding the flexible commercial nodes. 00:13:26
Current code does not outright prohibit. 00:13:30
Said, uh. 00:13:34
Flexible commercial nodes. 00:13:35
Is the purpose behind the ordinance just to explicitly allow it? 00:13:37
When, as it is currently stated, it's just assumed. 00:13:41
Yeah, our, our zoning code does prohibit the use of shipping containers to be used as like storage and stuff like that. And so we 00:13:46
just wanted to make sure that it was, you know, there's no Gray area. 00:13:50
Those very black and white that we are going to allow these as this very specific type of use. Wonderful. OK, Thank you. 00:13:55
I have seen those done. 00:14:03
Very well, one of the developments that comes to mind is the Churchill, which is in Phoenix. 00:14:05
Which uses kind of that rustic architecture. Look for a very cool. 00:14:11
Dare I say hip? 00:14:17
Commercial space. 00:14:19
And so I think that. 00:14:21
Complements the other architecture that we see proposed in that district. If we were to plant it right next to, say, a house in 00:14:23
Parkside, it wouldn't stand out. 00:14:27
It would stand out too much. It would not be appropriate. But because this is part of a more dense, more Urban Development as a 00:14:33
whole, I think it fits really well. Yeah. And, and the city is supportive of that because essentially it'll allow a lower barrier 00:14:39
to entry to get more retail in the area sooner. They're not having to build a bunch of brick and mortar stores. They can bring 00:14:45
these in, have some pop up stores that will generate some sales tax revenue for the city and provide. 00:14:51
More retail opportunities for residents. So we're supportive of that too. Excellent. Great. 00:14:57
Then lastly. 00:15:02
When it comes to the amendment to the sign section. 00:15:04
We're just formalizing that. We're considering blade signs, corner signs. 00:15:08
Because again, there isn't anything in it right now that prohibits nor allows blade signs so. 00:15:13
We just thought we'd formalize it along with the condition that yeah, post we won't be specific that we weren't going to allow say 00:15:18
like a poll sign in the downtown. We didn't feel like that was a fitting setting for the for the downtown or a fitting. 00:15:23
Sign type for the downtown. So we want to be very specific that this is. 00:15:29
Very similar to that corner type sign, you know. 00:15:33
And so that's where we felt it fit best. I agree. I think that's very appropriate. 00:15:36
OK. 00:15:42
If there's not more discussion, I'd like to open the public hearing. 00:15:43
All right. And so public hearing has officially opened. Any members of the public who have any comments or questions? 00:15:47
Please feel free to do so right now. 00:15:55
Hi, David Larae. 00:16:11
Hey I wanted to ask a couple of questions about the use of shipping containers. 00:16:13
I used to, not a fan of trash chic but I guess some people are. 00:16:19
Have been visited fits I guess if you think it does, but I'm wondering we've talked about. 00:16:23
They be used as temporary structures for things like restrooms and things like that. 00:16:28
What's the guarantee that those will not be replaced at some point with a more? 00:16:33
Permanent appropriate structure. 00:16:37
One question. 00:16:40
Also. 00:16:41
You wanted to bring him in for easy use for pop up businesses. 00:16:44
What's to stop them from being used for pop up tiny houses? 00:16:48
And things like that. Someone buys a chunk of land and. 00:16:52
And props a shipping container on it and makes a little house out of it. 00:16:55
Can we? Is that also allowed or is that prohibited? 00:16:59
I need to figure that out. 00:17:04
So, and also if we are going to use these things as temporary things, I. 00:17:06
I wonder, well, first of all, what's the guarantee they that they'll be replaced? 00:17:10
At some point. 00:17:15
And with what? And what were the time frame and that be? 00:17:16
So we would, you know, we need to know that if we're going to be permanent, let's just say they're permanent. 00:17:19
If there are not to be permanent, let's talk about. 00:17:23
What you know the schedule for getting them replaced and made? 00:17:26
Maybe better with so many permanent. 00:17:30
Also, I know there was also a talk about. 00:17:32
A tennis court on the block with the pickleball. 00:17:35
Club I didn't see the. 00:17:39
I didn't see a task core on there anywhere. 00:17:40
But maybe they could point that out. 00:17:43
When they come down to other questions. 00:17:44
I think that's it for now. 00:17:48
Thanks again. Thank you, David. 00:17:51
OK. We'll continue the rest of the public hearing and then when we close the public hearing, we'll address those. 00:17:53
Questions. Are there any other comments? 00:17:59
Jane Pierce. 00:18:08
I also do have a question with those flexible buildings. 00:18:09
What what percentage of the land is going to be used for flexible building these flexible buildings and. 00:18:13
What percentage? 00:18:21
On that set area are going to be. 00:18:22
Built originally. 00:18:24
Permanent and how much is going to be used for this flexible buildings? 00:18:26
OK. 00:18:32
Thank you. 00:18:34
OK, so I remember the other question. 00:18:39
So how my question was about the sales tax income? 00:18:41
The idea of not allowing these kinds of things initially that the. 00:18:45
The commercial area. 00:18:50
And I suppose there's temporary things as well. Was it it would impede? 00:18:51
The development of some. 00:18:55
Significant sales tax income, which our city desperately needs. 00:18:57
And so far, we're already developing lots and lots of residential uses here. 00:19:01
But we're not and and we have the hospital coming, which is wonderful. 00:19:06
But we don't have a lot. 00:19:09
Of sales tax generating facilities here. 00:19:11
What's? 00:19:16
What's the plan for that? 00:19:18
If we're using these things. 00:19:19
For temporary basis, what's the plan to replace them with a permanent? 00:19:21
Sales tax generating facility. 00:19:25
Thanks. 00:19:27
Thank you. 00:19:27
Great. 00:19:31
Are there any other comments or questions? 00:19:33
All right, hearing none, we will close the public hearing. 00:19:38
I'm going to rely on staff for some of these, but first. 00:19:43
I'd just like to make a couple comments. 00:19:47
So first, when it comes to the temporary structure. 00:19:50
Do we know? 00:19:54
What the process will look like? It looks like this code. 00:19:55
Is simply allowing it as a conditional use. 00:19:59
So some of these questions that were raised tonight is part of that conditional process. 00:20:02
Who would that ultimately be going to? 00:20:08
If they need to apply for a conditional use permit, does that go before this body, the council or the staff? It'd be a Planning 00:20:11
Commission. 00:20:14
Wonderful item. 00:20:18
OK. 00:20:19
At that, sorry, to add on to that, would be a site plan, they'd submit a site plan with a conditional use, yes. And so a lot of 00:20:20
the questions about is this a temporary use or a temporary structure, Is it going to be food, retail or residents? Any of those 00:20:26
would be considered during that conditional use permit application period and it would really be on a case by case basis rather 00:20:32
than right now outright. 00:20:38
Approving anything or nothing. 00:20:45
So it's just allowing them to submit an application for conditional use in the future. 00:20:47
I get the concern about what's stopping it from being residences. 00:20:55
Again, that would be addressed in the conditional use. I tell you the name of it is Flexible Commercial module. Exactly. 00:21:02
Yeah, We could add on a provision if the Planning Commission recommends of saying like no housing may be permitted in the flexible 00:21:08
commercial modules. I don't imagine the applicants planning on doing this so. 00:21:13
If that's something that. 00:21:18
People want to do, we can add that in necessary. 00:21:19
Yeah, I personally don't see the need for that. I do. 00:21:22
I'm very familiar with how these developments typically go. 00:21:28
And, umm. 00:21:31
The temporary uses in there allow what I have found at least. 00:21:33
Chefs that are in a startup business and maybe can't quite afford a truck or can't afford a brick and mortar space, this is a 00:21:38
great way for them to get into the game, really start and test their product out. 00:21:45
It's a fantastic incubator of sorts on a retail. 00:21:52
Or food realm. 00:21:55
So understood. 00:21:58
So what's to guarantee the temporary structure won't be replaced with a permanent structure that again would be addressed during 00:22:01
the conditional use permit period where we understand if these are in for just a certain period of time or an extended long period 00:22:06
of time case by case basis? 00:22:11
Can these be used as pop-up residents as we address time frame on when they will be up and for how long we just addressed? 00:22:16
The tennis court, I believe is being addressed with the paddled court. That or Paddell. Paddell, yeah, that'll be site plan maybe 00:22:22
in two weeks. It depends on essentially the approval from or the recommendation tonight in City Council. 00:22:29
They'll then come back through with site plan that will actually show where the tennis court is and. 00:22:36
And all those changes, they just wanted to give you an idea of what it could look like. There will still be a racket based, 00:22:40
correct? 00:22:43
Sport venue. OK, wonderful. 00:22:46
And would this impede sales tax at all? I believe that the whole purpose of this is to generate more commercial activity, which 00:22:49
would lead to more sales tax. 00:22:54
What percentage of land would be used as flexible? 00:23:00
But these kind of shipping container structures compared to traditional brick and mortar or more permanent buildings, again, I 00:23:04
think that is something to be considered at the time of each conditional use permit. So I would, I don't necessarily want to 00:23:09
propose a cap. 00:23:15
But I think it is worth. 00:23:22
Making that a part of the conditional use permit application. 00:23:26
To kind of show the ratio so it doesn't become overwhelming. 00:23:29
Do you feel that that is fair? 00:23:35
OK. 00:23:38
OK. Before we open it up for any motion or vote, do any of you have any comments or questions? 00:23:41
OK this. 00:23:50
The requested motion was to recommend either approval or denial. 00:23:54
To the City Council, who ultimately has the final vote on this. 00:23:58
Do we have a motion? 00:24:02
And I would. 00:24:05
Remind that if someone's making a motion to recommend approval that they would add the condition that we discussed that the blade 00:24:06
sign should be wrapped to appear connected. 00:24:10
To the adjacent building facade or connect it to the building itself. 00:24:14
So is there a motion? 00:24:19
Yeah, is it this one 2025 dash? 00:24:22
OK, I move to recommend approval of Ordinance 2025-4. 00:24:25
With the amendment. 00:24:30
With the signs that if. 00:24:32
There if it's connected to the ground that it be appear wrapped and connected to the building or it be. 00:24:34
Connected to the building. 00:24:40
To the City Council. 00:24:42
Great. Is there a second? 00:24:43
OK, all in favor. 00:24:46
Aye. 00:24:48
Any post? 00:24:49
None. OK. Thank you. 00:24:51
OK, we are now returning to our agenda as originally published, starting with Item 2, which is a presentation. 00:24:56
For an eagerly. 00:25:05
Anticipated stormwater training. 00:25:06
And so I will pass the time on to staff. 00:25:10
Testing. 00:25:21
Testing, umm. 00:25:22
You can hear me. 00:25:28
OK. 00:25:30
Hey, I'm Justine Marshall. I'm Vineyard City's MS-4 coordinator and floodplain manager. 00:25:40
So we're going to learn about stormwater tonight. 00:25:46
So big picture. 00:25:50
Vineyard storm drains empty to Utah Lake and are approximately to Utah Lake. 00:25:52
Makes it a big focal point. 00:25:58
On storm water runoff management. 00:26:00
Utah Lake is already on the Utah Division Water Qualities 303 list, which is a list of. 00:26:04
Water quality is in the state of Utah and their condition. 00:26:12
So Utah Lake is already impaired for nutrients like phosphorus and nitrogen. 00:26:16
And then? 00:26:21
A harmful algal bloom outbreaks that we see. 00:26:23
So. 00:26:26
I'm hoping after this storm water training you guys will have a better understanding on. 00:26:27
How your long term and current planning decisions has an impact on stormwater quality? 00:26:32
Should I just like talk later? 00:26:38
OK, will you run my? 00:26:42
All right, progress. 00:26:50
So I introduced myself. Justine Marshall, Certified Floodplain Manager. 00:26:54
Next slide. 00:26:58
So why are we here? So we have an MS-4 permit. 00:27:02
For Vineyard City, that requires us to manage our stormwater runoff to make sure that the stormwater going into Utah Lake. 00:27:05
Is the highest quality reducing pollutant load in that runoff? 00:27:12
So that requires we do an annual training of all stormwater relevant staff and then we train all new hires within 60 days. 00:27:18
And you guys are like, wait, what? I'm not staff. 00:27:26
Well, Utah State law actually treats appointed officials as stormwater relevant employees for the city. 00:27:28
When development decisions are on the agenda. 00:27:35
Next slide. 00:27:38
So we're just going to do a crash course on what this MS-4 permit is. 00:27:40
We're going to go over the Clean Water Authority, which created the permit program. 00:27:44
We're going to go over the goals of our MS-4 program and then which includes 6 minimum control measures. 00:27:49
And then we'll go over like the reporting clock, like. 00:27:55
We have these deadlines to hit. When are those? 00:27:58
So the. 00:28:01
Clean Water Act. 00:28:03
Designated the Utah Division of Water Quality to oversee. 00:28:06
Their national pollutant elimination. 00:28:09
Discharge system permit. 00:28:13
And then the state of Utah. 00:28:15
Gives authorization, so there's large miss floors and small miss floors. 00:28:18
So any once you reach 10,000 people population you qualify for that. 00:28:22
Small MS-4 program permit. 00:28:28
And then once your population reaches 100,000 people then you're considered a large miss sport and you have more permit 00:28:30
requirements. 00:28:33
Fingers crossed Vineyard will never reach 100,000 people so we'll always be in that small Missouri permit world. 00:28:37
So the goal, so MS-4 stands for multiple stormwater sewer system. So it's M and then 4S S. 00:28:43
And then the goal is to reduce the pollutants to the maximum extent practical. So like. 00:28:52
We might have someone come in and be like, oh, we don't want any pollution going into Utah Lake. Well, is that actually practical, 00:28:58
as economically feasible as even achievable? 00:29:02
Likely not. So we have this permit that guides us on like what is actually achievable. 00:29:06
And that includes the six minimum control measures. 00:29:12
And then we have to submit an annual report every October 1st saying like what we did this year. 00:29:15
We have to evaluate our program. 00:29:21
Next slide. 00:29:23
So big picture, we're managing stormwater runoff so that what's going into Utah Lake is free of pollutants, especially that 00:29:26
phosphorus, nitrogen. 00:29:30
And anything that contributes to the toxic algal blooms. 00:29:34
And we have to the pollutants we focus on have to like. 00:29:38
We have to take in. 00:29:42
To account those current impairments when we draft this document called the Storm Water Management Plan. 00:29:43
And. 00:29:49
So, and we're legally on the hook for this permit. 00:29:51
If we don't follow the permit, the state's going to come in and be like, OK, we're going to manage it. You guys aren't doing a 00:29:54
good job. 00:29:57
They'll slap us with some fines. 00:29:59
I used to work for the Division of Water Quality. We're actually wrote those notice of violations. 00:30:01
Settled with cities on penalties. 00:30:06
So we don't want that. We want to. 00:30:09
Take our permit. We want to follow it. We want to show we're a good stewards to the state. 00:30:11
Next slide. 00:30:15
So what are these six women control measures that Vineyard City needs to do to be in compliance with their permit? 00:30:17
So the first one is we have to conduct public education outreach. 00:30:22
So we had an Earth Day event in April where we planted 3000. 00:30:26
Seedlings on Utah Lake. 00:30:30
We did a trash cleanup. Any event like that where you're engaging with the public, you're teaching them about stormwater runoff, 00:30:32
you're you're basically saying, hey, we only want rain in our storm drains. 00:30:38
Like pick up your trash. 00:30:43
Don't put your grass clippings in the gutters. 00:30:45
And then so the next one is public engagement and involvement, which is where you guys come in like you guys have public hearings. 00:30:48
We also have to do similar public engagement and involvement. 00:30:54
Where anytime we want to update our miss for stormwater ordinances, we have to. 00:30:57
Get the public's input on that. Have a public hearing, go to City Council, Get your guys's approval. 00:31:03
The next one is. 00:31:08
Illicit discharge and detection. So anything that isn't storm water that goes into our MS-4 system or into Utah Lake. 00:31:10
Is considered. 00:31:18
A discharge, so like sediment. 00:31:20
Oil. 00:31:22
Things like that. 00:31:24
So we have to, anytime there's like an illicit discharge complaint, we have to investigate that. 00:31:26
And then we have to document our follow up actions. And then we have to keep track on a map. 00:31:32
OK. Where are these things happening? Is there like a high priority area that we need to focus on? Is there a source of the 00:31:36
solicit discharge? 00:31:39
And then every year we have to evaluate how effective our program is at identifying. 00:31:42
As anyone hooked up to our sanitary sewer or stormwater sewer illegally. 00:31:47
And then #4 is construction. So like we're building vineyard. 00:31:51
So some of the common constructions, stormwater violations we see is sediment tracking off site. 00:31:55
The the dust control and it gets really windy. 00:32:01
We see a lot of like. 00:32:04
Concrete washout, it gets that capacity. 00:32:06
Contractors are busy. So then. 00:32:10
There's like overfills, dumping. 00:32:12
Concrete washout. 00:32:15
And when concrete is dry, it's not a problem. It's when it's in that slurry wet form. It has a pH of 12 to 14. 00:32:16
If that gets into our storm drains, we have to spend money. 00:32:22
Time, resources, cleaning those out. If it gets in Utah Lake, it could cause a fish kill. We could get in trouble at the state. 00:32:25
So then we move on to minimum control measure 5. That's long term stormwater management. 00:32:31
So the state has this requirement. 00:32:35
Where we have to retain the first. 00:32:37
Like flush of a storm for every half half inch rain event. 00:32:40
We have to keep that rain on site. 00:32:44
So we use a lot of like low impact development. 00:32:46
Bioswells detention basins to channel that storm water falling on this parcel. 00:32:50
So that it takes like 24 hours to 72 hours to like, infiltrate into the ground. 00:32:55
Any storm larger than. 00:33:00
Half inch in precipitation like that's fine, that can run off like we only have to manage. 00:33:01
The half inch storm of the envelope. 00:33:07
And then the last minimum control measure is pollution prevention and Good Housekeeping. 00:33:09
So like any city owned facility like a park or public works facility. 00:33:13
We have to have a stormwater management pollution prevention plan for that. 00:33:17
To be like, hey, we have chemicals on site, how are we going to make sure those chemicals are managed? 00:33:20
In a way that they're not going to like, spill, get into our storm drain. 00:33:24
So that's kind of an overview of the minimum control measures. 00:33:27
Next slide. 00:33:31
OK, so. 00:33:32
How do you guys get involved so with the development review? 00:33:34
There's like some hot buttons. 00:33:37
So there's this LAD retention standard. 00:33:39
Typical contractor thinking from like back in the day when we didn't manage storm water is like get that storm water away from the 00:33:41
site as quickly as possible. Use curbing, gutter. 00:33:46
Pipe it away. 00:33:50
And that's changed. It started in the 1990s, changing like, hey, we want to retain this on site so that we can let like natural 00:33:51
systems clean up those pollutants. 00:33:56
So it's kind of like a lot of education of like, hey. 00:34:00
These standards are changing, These regulations are changing. We know you guys are used to doing things this way, however. 00:34:04
It's going to have all the higher investment of resources and costs to meet these standards and trying to like. 00:34:10
Get people to understand why it's important and like. 00:34:16
What the repercussions are for us if we don't do this? 00:34:18
So like whenever we get. 00:34:21
See, someone wants to come in a vineyard and build something, they're going to submit like a construction plan. With that 00:34:23
construction plan, they also have to submit like a drainage plan. 00:34:27
Showing the flow of water. 00:34:30
And then they have to do the calculation of what is the 8th percentile. 00:34:32
Like retention volume for this site, so a larger parcel with a lot more concrete. 00:34:36
You're going to need like a larger detention basin versus if it's like a small residential house with like grass. 00:34:42
And then like conditional use permits. 00:34:48
So that's just like. 00:34:51
What happens if there's like non compliance or enforcement? 00:34:53
And then long term stormwater tracking. So say this developer comes in, he's awesome. 00:34:56
He does his calculations correctly. We're like, yeah, you're good to go. He puts in this detention basin. 00:35:01
That detention basin. 00:35:06
Is tied to that property. So say he sells that property, someone takes over that property that's attention based and has 00:35:08
maintenance requirements. So they have to submit an biannual inspection to the city every year. And if they're not doing it, it's 00:35:12
our responsibility that either get them to do it or we go out there and do those inspections ourselves, which takes staff time and 00:35:17
resources. 00:35:21
Next slide. And we have to keep track of those records too. 00:35:27
So your role is just like whenever someone's coming to you with an idea. 00:35:31
Just like having the back of your head, like how is this going to increase? 00:35:36
Impervious cover in the city because anytime you're laying down like roads, asphalt, buildings, roofs. 00:35:40
You're going to increase. 00:35:45
The so like if you have grass or dirt, storm water like infiltrates into that. If you cover it up, it can't do that. So where's it 00:35:47
going to go? 00:35:50
So your role is just to keep in mind like. 00:35:54
OK. The more we increase the impervious surfaces in Vineyard? 00:35:56
The more stormwater management we're going to need, and that takes space. 00:35:59
You can do it underground, there's lots of different options, but just like. 00:36:03
Every time we like, cover the ground with something storm water can't get in, we need to like. 00:36:07
Get it somewhere and we have to maintain these like requirements of our permit. 00:36:11
And then like if you ever like are out and you see something. 00:36:14
Just know like, hey, if I think this is a listed discharge, I think I should probably tell somebody because it's our job to track 00:36:17
that. So you just give us a call. 00:36:21
Next slide. 00:36:25
A big, huge amount of our time because Vineyard is. 00:36:29
Actively building into an awesome new city. 00:36:32
Is construction site. 00:36:34
So you submit a plan. You want to build this, you have a great idea. We're like, yeah, we love it. 00:36:36
So what our contractors have to do is they. 00:36:43
If the site disturbs an acre. 00:36:46
Or more of ground. They have to apply to the state the division of water quality to get what is called an NLI. 00:36:48
And then so that's the general construction plan. The CPP is like if they're going to build a subdivision and parcel it out and it 00:36:54
disturbs an acre greater. 00:36:58
And that permit has a few less storm water requirements because you're disturbing less area. 00:37:01
So on their site they have to have these sediment erosion. 00:37:06
Control BMP's to prohibit. 00:37:10
Sediment from coming off site. 00:37:12
And if sediment is coming off site then they need to figure out like hey why my BMP is not working. 00:37:13
And then so. 00:37:18
As you. 00:37:20
Construct something you want to phase it out because you. 00:37:21
So you want to build. 00:37:24
You want to disturb an acre? 00:37:25
But you're only gonna disturb this part here, this part here, this part here. So you want to phase it so you're not disturbing the 00:37:27
entire acre all at once, because if soil is exposed, then it's gonna erode off the site. 00:37:33
It's going to become like a. 00:37:38
Dust control and sediment is the number one stormwater pollutant, so you want to keep that sediment on site. 00:37:40
So if you're not doing that. 00:37:46
Have an enforcement ladder. 00:37:48
Where you would give you a verbal warning. 00:37:49
If it's not corrected within a certain time frame. 00:37:51
Then we're going to escalate it to a written notice with a deadline. 00:37:54
And then after that it requires an additional written notice. 00:37:57
And then at that point we can start looking at like notice of violation, stop work orders. 00:38:00
And the state just changed where if we issue a citation that has penalties. 00:38:04
Those penalties can't go into our general fund. 00:38:10
They have to go into a special fund. 00:38:12
That's going to be spent on minimum control measure #1 public education outreach. 00:38:15
So those funds have to stay separate. 00:38:20
Next slide. 00:38:23
So vineyards this. 00:38:24
Vineyard City specific priorities. 00:38:26
We really want to keep in mind like, hey, what is Utah Lake impaired for? Those are the pollutants we really want to focus on. 00:38:28
Like mitigating and reducing in our stormwater runoff. 00:38:35
We're growing crazy fast, which is amazing. 00:38:39
So we want to keep in mind like. 00:38:42
Mixed-use development. 00:38:46
Where we can reduce those impervious St. sections. 00:38:47
We can have the tree canopies, which is amazing because vineyards a tree city. 00:38:51
Anything that we can do as we do this, like development where we can bring in those stormwater related controls. 00:38:54
Because. 00:39:00
That's going to reduce the heat island effect, a lot of these lid practices. 00:39:01
Include green infrastructure that's going to keep our stages cool. 00:39:05
And then we also have an amazing trail and park integration. So just like. 00:39:09
Keeping that going is. 00:39:13
Really. Umm. 00:39:15
Really, really important. 00:39:16
Especially for stormwater goals. 00:39:18
Next slide. 00:39:20
This is just like kind of what we do all year, every month, but November, it's like dedicated to something. 00:39:21
So for the public education outreach, I typically try to do quarterly events for the public. 00:39:27
We have this Mary annual report in October. We have to do an annual update of our store water management plan. 00:39:33
Umm. So yeah, it's just some of the things we do next. 00:39:40
Slide. 00:39:42
And then these are some resources that I use every day if you guys are interested in kicking out about storm water. 00:39:44
There's some great EPA and DWQ resources. 00:39:49
There's the Utah Low Impact Development Manual. I was. 00:39:53
**** always refer contractors to because like we can't tell contractors how to do things like can't be like, oh, build it this way 00:39:56
because if they build it that way and it fails. 00:40:00
Then we're setting ourselves up to take on the liability of like. 00:40:04
So say we told the contractor to. 00:40:08
Do their construction site BMP's this way it failed. 00:40:10
The state came. They're like, hey, you did a discharge to Utah Lake. Like who's gonna clean this up? We could potentially be on 00:40:13
the hook for that because we're the ones who told the contractors to do it that way. 00:40:17
So we. 00:40:22
We have to give the contractors a lot of freedom to like meet their permit requirements the way that best suits them. 00:40:23
But also offering guidance like, hey. 00:40:28
You did this but it's not working or you did this and it's working great like like. 00:40:30
Tell me how you did this. I can educate other contractors. So it's really about a partnership. 00:40:35
Of like learning from each other. 00:40:39
And then we also have our Vineyard city municipal code that. 00:40:41
It goes over all the enforcement. 00:40:45
And then we also do a lot of work with the APWA Utah stormwater and we're a member of. 00:40:47
There's the state Stormwater Coalition and there's the Utah County Coalition. So we go to those meetings and they do a lot of 00:40:52
outreach for us, too. 00:40:56
And that's it. 00:41:02
Thank you. 00:41:03
Do you guys have any questions? 00:41:04
Thank you so much. 00:41:08
I don't have any questions unless anyone else does. Great energy, great delivery. Thank you. I love your enthusiasm for 00:41:09
stormwater. That's great. 00:41:12
Thank you. Thank you. 00:41:17
OK. All right. 00:41:18
We're moving on to item number 3. 00:41:21
I know we've already had a fun filled agenda, but there's still plenty to go. 00:41:25
Are there any? 00:41:29
Comments from the public for items not on the agenda. 00:41:30
All right, seeing none, we'll move on from item 3 to #4. 00:41:36
Which is our consent calendar, which just includes the approval of the March 16th Planning Commission meeting minutes. 00:41:40
Do we have a motion and 2nd to approve the? 00:41:47
Meeting minutes. 00:41:51
I'll make a motion to approve the minute. 00:41:52
Wonderful. Do we have a second? 00:41:55
I'll second. 00:41:57
Alright, all in favor. 00:41:59
Aye, any opposed? 00:42:00
Passes unanimously. 00:42:02
We'll now move on to. 00:42:04
The rest of our business items. 00:42:06
With item 5.3 which is Lot 6 site plan application. 00:42:08
Well, first year from staff and then an applicant. 00:42:15
Yeah, great. 00:42:17
So this is for East Lake Lot 6 site plan. It's at 151 E 1750 N. 00:42:18
I have a context map here. 00:42:24
Kind of show you this is a site directly South of the power plant. 00:42:27
1750 will run right through it or to the South edge of it and then the Linden Heritage Trail actually. 00:42:31
On the north side of it. 00:42:38
Here is the proposed site. 00:42:41
You can see it's a concrete tilt up building. 00:42:43
Divided with these two parking lots, they've provided adequate parking to meet our needs. 00:42:46
They are planning a 3000 square foot office space. I don't believe they have a. 00:42:52
Intended user yet, but they've had no problem filling their buildings yet it looks like. 00:42:56
Oh, they do great. 00:43:01
So, uh. 00:43:03
It's pretty traditional building to what you see up there already. Here's landscaping as you can see along that 1750 edge. 00:43:04
They have plenty of landscaping that that meets our requirements there. 00:43:13
Or onto these elevations real quick and then I'll kind of get into the details of things that we had some maybe some questions 00:43:18
about the applicant can address. 00:43:21
You can see this is the east elevation. 00:43:25
They have a metal canopy with an entrance door. This would service like that office side of the building. 00:43:27
And then this is the West elevation where they're going to have more of their truck deliveries. 00:43:33
The north elevation, this would be facing that parking lot and so you can see they have an employee entrance right there with 00:43:38
another canopy. 00:43:42
And then here's the South elevation. So this is what would face. 00:43:46
1750. 00:43:50
Here's some materials that they plan on using. So they have some bike racks. They have those metal canopies as you can see here. 00:43:52
And then this is the colors that they're proposing. 00:43:58
So one thing I just wanted to point out and. 00:44:04
I was hoping Patrick would be here. I don't know if. 00:44:07
Has any update on this? But we did have potential. 00:44:10
A potential issue there, there's this road that connects the two parking lots and along the north edge here is a ditch easement. 00:44:14
That there's an agreement between multiple cities. 00:44:21
And what they're planning on doing is putting in a retaining wall along this edge of the road that they could then build the road 00:44:24
up onto. 00:44:28
And we just wanted to make sure that they got all the approvals from those entities that were involved in that. 00:44:31
Ditch easement and so far they've been able to provide most of, if not all of those agreements, but I just want to make sure. 00:44:37
That Patrick got those and he is not here today. So we can put that as a conditional approval, but they've been great at 00:44:42
responding to that so far. Yeah, so. 00:44:46
I think. 00:44:52
Sorry my. 00:44:58
I guess the. 00:44:59
The bug that. 00:45:01
CIA plant inside my head is probably interfering with us. 00:45:03
But yeah, Senasim Gandora, public works director, assistant to the assistance engineer. 00:45:08
Patrick James, who's not able to be here right now. 00:45:12
We've had several discussions on in regards to the. 00:45:15
To that ditch. 00:45:18
I thought you were gonna stick on that side plan. Sorry, the achievement on that. 00:45:22
Meeting with Linden City, Pleasant Grove. 00:45:27
And the contractor, in essence, we're ensuring that the stormwater. 00:45:30
We're assuring that storm water capacity does not get impacted. 00:45:35
As you can see, Justine had given her an awesome presentation about. 00:45:40
On that and then in terms of that with the Corps of Engineers coordination and allow the contractor to move forward. 00:45:46
And also ensuring that the improvements that they're doing are going to actually be an improvement to the. 00:45:53
To the system versus what's currently out. So we feel that we're we're confident with that moving forward. 00:45:59
On those conditions with the contractor. 00:46:04
And as a reflection on the. 00:46:06
Other side of the ditch, there's there are improvements that are going along there to improve the ditch for the London Heritage 00:46:09
Trail. 00:46:13
As well so. 00:46:16
Yeah. So my condition is approval here are kind of the three standard they make any. 00:46:20
Paying the outstanding fees, Red Line Corrections, they've been great at that so far. They follow federal, state and local laws. 00:46:25
They observe all 88 requirements. 00:46:29
They provide documentation from London City and Army Corps of Engineers for the approval of the fill and road construction within 00:46:33
the Dutch easement, which they they did provide a lot of that to me today, but we'll make sure Patrick will make sure everything 00:46:37
is good there. 00:46:41
Any retaining wall constructed must meet the standards in the zoning code, and the block material must be provided to the 00:46:45
Community Development Department for approval prior to installation. 00:46:49
And then if that road is removed, if they do decide that's the best route here for whatever reason, we do want to see addition 00:46:54
updated landscaping plan that shows what they plan on doing there. 00:46:59
And then the last is that the the slag in the ditch slope is removed as to permit the planting and growth of a native sea mix. 00:47:03
Seed mix. 00:47:10
So that's all that I have. 00:47:12
The applicants are here. 00:47:14
If you do have any questions for them as well if they have want to add anything to my presentation. 00:47:15
Is there any presentation or anything that the applicant would like to share? 00:47:20
Chris Kapartment. 00:47:25
With Vineyard Properties of Utah, so earlier you guys were talking about sales tax and wanting to generate more revenue. We have 00:47:26
two tenants that are combined with this unit. 00:47:32
Their brothers, the Dome and brothers. 00:47:37
They have Way Safe which is in London and they have Home Sports which is in London, so their current tenants of ours. 00:47:40
They're just growing and want a bigger space. 00:47:46
So I approached them. They're like, they are excited about this. They're excited to move into a new building. 00:47:48
They get more space and that way they can grow their business and you have two corporations moving into. 00:47:54
Vineyard City to generate sales tax for you. 00:48:00
Great. Thank you. 00:48:05
OK. Are there any questions for staff or the applicant? 00:48:07
No. OK, great. 00:48:14
Seeing none. 00:48:16
Are there any? 00:48:19
Questions or comments by the public for this application? Even though it's not an official public hearing, I want to give 00:48:20
opportunity if there are any. 00:48:23
All right. Seeing none. I also don't have any questions and I just want to thank you. I'd like to thank anyone that's bringing. 00:48:29
Businesses and jobs. 00:48:36
To our community. 00:48:38
So thank you for that. 00:48:40
Do we have a motion? 00:48:43
I can make a motion. 00:48:47
Do we need to add anything? Did you already add everything that you had on their cache or can I just approve it? Yes, yeah. If you 00:48:48
were financial conditions, you can just say is the condition is as presented as I moved to approve. 00:48:54
The East Lake Lot 6 site plan application requested by Brentwood with the conditions presented. 00:49:00
Wonderful. Is there a second? 00:49:06
2nd. 00:49:07
All in favor. 00:49:09
Aye. 00:49:10
Any opposed? 00:49:12
And passes unanimously. Thank you. 00:49:14
Want to take the time also to excuse Grade Nosler who needed to leave during that presentation. 00:49:16
All right, moving on. 00:49:23
To our next item on the agenda. 00:49:25
Is 5.4, which is the yard parking management plan and traffic impact study. Great, thank you, Chair and members of the Planning 00:49:28
Commission. 00:49:32
So this is one that we. 00:49:37
Talked about before in the past during a work session meeting. 00:49:39
This is a requirement of the development agreement that we had with ex development. I believe early 2023 is when that development 00:49:44
agreement was established. 00:49:48
So I'll just do a quick intro and then Carla or someone from your team is welcome to come up and to provide the details of this. 00:49:53
So part of that requirement, the development agreement was that. 00:49:58
We account for the unique nature of the development. There's three different uses that are part of the project. 00:50:03
Short term rentals, there's fifteen of those, then there's 287 residential units and there's approximately 14,000 square feet of 00:50:10
retail that will be on the ground floor fronting 400 N. 00:50:15
And so those are some pretty specific things just to give you a little bit of background. You might be kind of wondering why the 00:50:21
kind of the uniqueness of it. 00:50:24
The City Council wanted to make sure from economic development standpoint, you have all the residential around there, that the 00:50:27
there were some retail uses. 00:50:31
Close by that could generate some of the amenities and the convenience items that the general public would need. 00:50:35
We also love sales tax in Utah. That's that's really important for our our, our overall budget purposes. 00:50:41
The short term rental units provide lodging. We do have the extended stay units that are coming, but these provide kind of a 00:50:48
different type of lodging. 00:50:52
Used to the site, if you're not familiar with short term rental, it's basically 30 days or less. 00:50:57
And the rest of the 287 units will be more of your standard apartment type and type uses. 00:51:03
I don't mean to say standard quality is going to be just off the charts, but. 00:51:09
But following kind of within that zoning category about. 00:51:14
Department use. 00:51:17
And also we do benefit. 00:51:18
Several years ago, we approved. 00:51:20
The transient room tax in Forest City. So there's a county. 00:51:22
Transient room tax of 1%. And then there's. 00:51:27
That gives us 1%. 00:51:30
So if you. 00:51:31
You know there's. 00:51:32
$200 a night we're going to get. 00:51:34
2-2 bucks, you know, every night. So over the kind of the course of a year that that could, that can translate some pretty good 00:51:36
stuff. 00:51:39
Also provides us the purchasing power of those visitors within a highly commercial development and so that that that was a really 00:51:43
important thing for the the City Council. 00:51:48
The parking management plan. 00:51:53
It does. It does a couple things. It will provide a. 00:51:56
A parking space allotment per use. 00:52:00
It provides a security and safety plan and enforcement and kind of regulation mechanism for for the parking. 00:52:03
And then it was required that a parking study be to accompany the parking management plan. 00:52:11
And so that was done by Ryan. Ryan. 00:52:17
So down. 00:52:20
Further ado, you guys are welcome to come up. We have. 00:52:21
The parking management plan. 00:52:24
Ready. And I believe we have. 00:52:25
A representative from Hale. 00:52:28
Thank you. 00:52:31
Hi Commissioners, my name is Carlo Mata with X Development. 00:52:32
I just wanted to do a quick review of what we went over last time from our work session because I believe. 00:52:36
Two of you weren't here, right? So. 00:52:42
So we'll just go through it really quickly just to kind of. 00:52:44
Give you an overview of what the project is so that it makes a little more sense with the context. 00:52:47
So this project is the parcel that's directly South of Topgolf, as you can see. 00:52:52
And it is a mix of commercial on the main level and then the units above it. It's a four story if you want to go ahead and go to 00:52:59
the next page. 00:53:03
Well, let me back up then, so. 00:53:07
Go ahead. 00:53:10
Morgan already talked a little bit about this, but our whole purpose in coming here is the development agreement that we have with 00:53:12
the city requires us to come before the city to get an approved parking management plan. 00:53:18
And parking study in conjunction. 00:53:24
With our agreement. So that is our whole purpose here. 00:53:27
And I sent all of those items to the staff, I believe. Did all did all of you receive those and have a chance to? 00:53:30
Review them by chance. Perfect. OK, that's great. They're all part of the. 00:53:37
The packet OK, perfect. 00:53:42
OK, go ahead to the next one. 00:53:44
Go ahead again. 00:53:47
OK, so it is a parking structure, it's a four story wrap around. So it's actually 5 levels for the parking structure and for 00:53:49
residential. 00:53:54
Well, with the commercial main. 00:54:00
And Morgan already talked about those other things. So let's go on to the next 101. Key item is this is controlled access. It is 00:54:03
24/7 on-site parking management. And so it will be very much controlled as far as. 00:54:11
How many parking stalls are being used, what they're being used for and so forth. So that's going to be one key item that 00:54:19
different differentiates this project from from others in the city. 00:54:23
OK, so. 00:54:31
This is conceptual. We haven't done our full architectural design and so this is subject to change. 00:54:33
But the we have worked with. 00:54:39
With multiple groups to come up with what seems to be the best fit and we're looking at around 414 stalls. 00:54:41
And then as you can see this, this only pulls out the structured parking and it shows that there's going to be the structured, 00:54:48
there's nose UPS. 00:54:52
There's surface stalls on the Northside. 00:54:57
And all those will be available. 00:55:01
For this particular project, there will be a security arm to to control parking. 00:55:03
As well. 00:55:08
At the entrance of the structure parking. Go ahead. 00:55:09
So what we are seeking through the parking management plan is based on ratios rather than exact numbers because? 00:55:13
The the numbers of units could potentially change a little bit here there. 00:55:21
You know, we obviously will have to be in harmony with the development agreement, but. 00:55:26
So these are the. 00:55:30
The ratios that we're proposing that make the most sense for this type of unit based on all the discussions with our. 00:55:34
Our engineers are our parking. 00:55:41
Study professionals. 00:55:44
Our architects. 00:55:47
Our actual partner that has developed multifamily all over the country, these are. 00:55:48
These are the numbers that we're proposing based on those discussions with them. 00:55:54
You can go ahead and go to the next one. 00:55:59
And this is something that we can go ahead and have Joseph come and talk to us as well. I don't know if you want to do it based on 00:56:02
more. 00:56:05
Questions. Maybe enter in just a second. We'll have him come up. 00:56:09
But he can talk more about what Hills was able to find. 00:56:12
As far as what we're proposing, we are meeting, we are exceeding actually. 00:56:16
Both of the. 00:56:22
Percentages that are not percentages. Both the numbers that are given for the ITE. 00:56:25
As well as the comp data. 00:56:29
We are exceeding them by around 66 on one and 41 another. So we are. 00:56:31
We are surpassing those. 00:56:37
We did have the parking management done plan done by a professional group that does work all over the country and even outside of 00:56:40
the country. 00:56:43
And so that's who we're relying on for guidance on this plan. 00:56:47
And I won't go through the details of the plan unless it's necessary. I'm assuming you're going to have questions for us, so I'm 00:56:52
just going to open it up. 00:56:56
To questions on. 00:57:00
Maybe you want to do the the traffic study now since we've got Joseph here and then, then we can open and if I could add something 00:57:02
really quick. Thanks, Carla. That's great. 00:57:06
Well, and so. 00:57:10
This is a really thoughtful parking management plan and what it was really important for the City Council because what we've seen 00:57:12
historically is where. 00:57:15
We manage parking. 00:57:19
And especially where you have 24/7 management and I don't think any departments do currently, I think that this would be the only 00:57:20
one so far that has 24 management. 00:57:25
We manage the short term rentals and also the park and that's really important, especially if you want to. 00:57:31
Be able to maintain kind of. 00:57:36
Control of the site where we've had lots of owners in one development, that's where parking. 00:57:38
Becomes really hectic. Cash could probably tell you some more stories. 00:57:44
Cash is only 20 years old. Look at it. 00:57:49
So so anyway, we. 00:57:54
This was a really important thing for the City Council. So it's anyway, but that that's what we found historically where we have 00:57:56
parking management on site. It's a it's a whole different, different world in terms of enforcement just. 00:58:02
Making sure that we stay in tune with. 00:58:09
The site plan agreed. Thank you. One of the things I did actually want to point out is if you can switch over to. 00:58:12
One of the other documents, it's one that you had up originally first. 00:58:17
The last PDF that you had up first. 00:58:22
Sorry. 00:58:27
And then I'm going to have you go down to a page that has a graph that's orange once you get there. 00:58:29
And this is basically a graph that was created by our parking. Yeah, correct. It's parking design group. 00:58:37
Oh, that's not orange. It's very not orange. It's green and maybe on my screen it was orange, I don't know. Anyhow, I think the 00:58:45
first page is orange. Okay, note that's green anyhow. 00:58:50
OK, so this was developed by the Parking Design Group. 00:58:55
That shows us how. 00:59:00
How the two primary uses the residential and the commercial are going to offset themselves at their peak hours. So your 00:59:02
residential peak hours are obviously going to be evening and morning hours. Your commercial is going to be the afternoon and early 00:59:07
evening. And so this is really. 00:59:12
Key to help understand how our traffic is going to flow well because they're going to complement each other and. 00:59:18
And you know, when there's a need for more commercial, we're going to have more spots available. 00:59:24
In the parking structure because there will be less use by the residential. 00:59:29
Users and so. 00:59:33
This kind of project works really well together in harmony because of that that crossover during those peak hours. 00:59:35
So, umm. 00:59:43
Is there anything else there that you think we need to address right now? 00:59:45
I have a question on that. Yes, of course. 00:59:49
Does that take into account? 00:59:51
Weekends. So on weekends it would, it's not going to have the same admin flow that you would have for like a work day. 00:59:53
So if you want to have a higher level of retail or you expect it on the weekend? 00:59:59
And we might have asked that question last time. I don't remember. I was here. It was a great presentation, but. 01:00:03
My understanding is that they were taking into consider that overall that into consideration overall. 01:00:10
You're right though there, I mean obviously there's going to be a higher demand on the weekends during during the day for for 01:00:17
residential might be home. 01:00:20
Correct, correct. 01:00:24
But still, we have enough. 01:00:26
Because we are already exceeding the the requirements that are or the recommended the recommendations, we don't, I mean we feel 01:00:29
like there's there's going to be. 01:00:34
Is going to account for that issue. 01:00:40
Because of the additional stalls that will be included, yeah, I think my my concern would be more around not wanting to drive 01:00:42
people away from using the retail space when it could be highly popular. We want to have people come in and. 01:00:48
And participate in all that retail space. So yeah. 01:00:55
OK. All right. I'm going to go ahead and have Joseph come up from Hales Engineering so that you can address questions and then 01:01:01
we'll be available for additional questions. We also. 01:01:05
We have. 01:01:09
Our attorney here that can also be available if there are any further things that you'd like. 01:01:11
Hello, my name is Joseph Browning, I'm with Hales Engineering and. 01:01:23
I I worked on this parking study so. 01:01:26
Happy to answer any questions you got. 01:01:29
Well, we'll see if there's questions. Do you have any presentation or anything to? 01:01:33
Summarize first. 01:01:39
What might be helpful is they did the two case studies maybe to talk about like the compatible sites and. 01:01:40
And it seems like. 01:01:48
Commissioners. 01:01:50
What we're now always asking to maybe addressing the weekend stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely so. 01:01:52
We had so one of the case studies. We had gone out and collected data in Provo. 01:01:58
Also a city with similar demographic characteristics. 01:02:05
At a managed. 01:02:08
Structured parking lot. 01:02:10
So we performed parking outs there. That was our, that was our local data. 01:02:14
Then we also relied on the national rates published by the Institute of Transportation Engineers. 01:02:17
For multifamily housing. 01:02:23
In a. 01:02:26
Mixed-use urban environment. 01:02:28
And based on that, the provided parking seemed to be seem to be sufficient. 01:02:30
As Carla mentioned, they've got quite a large buffer. 01:02:36
Of stalls beyond. 01:02:41
What our data showed. 01:02:43
And in regards to the weekend with the balance of the residential and the commercial? 01:02:45
We actually in our analysis we had assumed to peak. 01:02:50
At the same time, we didn't. 01:02:54
Put in any reductions for cross utilization so it's conservative that way. 01:02:58
All right. 01:03:09
I have a quick question for staff and then I have a question for you and then we'll open up for other questions. Great. So first. 01:03:11
Is anything in the parking management plan presented tonight different than what was presented at the work session? 01:03:18
No, from what we saw it was the same. I don't know if any of your projected numbers had changed, but that that'll be. 01:03:27
Shirt up with the site plan. 01:03:34
So we'll take the the allocation. 01:03:36
That's part of per use and that will be applied to the site plan. Unless there's anything I'm missing, but I look that like pretty 01:03:38
much the same. 01:03:42
The only other thing that was different was we. 01:03:50
Had included the some a presentation that was done by our Parking design, the parking design group that talked more about. 01:03:53
Unbundling and talked about some of the signage that can be used with wayfaring stuff that was the only things different but other 01:04:01
than that like numbers and so forth everything else was the same. OK thank you yeah, the real purpose behind these parking 01:04:06
management plans is to. 01:04:11
Give bodies such as the Planning Commission and the Council. 01:04:16
The opportunity to just. 01:04:20
Be aware of. 01:04:23
What is the parking and vehicle impact going to be? 01:04:24
And what are you doing to address it? 01:04:28
And so. 01:04:30
Stay the same as what I felt during the work session. I feel like you've done exactly what the intent was. 01:04:32
Have a few questions about the process? 01:04:38
So first, when you talked about the structures. 01:04:42
That you looked at to get comparable data. 01:04:45
Can you verify that like the one in Provo? 01:04:48
Was for a similar use of multifamily housing and commercial combined. 01:04:51
That's correct. Yeah. So it was a commercial on the on the 1st floor and the commercial had surrounded the development and then it 01:04:56
was residential up above exactly what's proposed here. Okay, so then that is a good. 01:05:02
Comparison. 01:05:08
Well. 01:05:09
OK, excellent. 01:05:10
Are there any other questions for the applicant or staff? 01:05:13
Yeah, I. 01:05:17
Just to verify. 01:05:20
I'm sorry. Thank you. Just to verify. 01:05:23
You check one location and that was. 01:05:26
That was the Provo location on North Freedom. 01:05:31
Blvd. that's correct. And then we. 01:05:34
Backed it up with with the national data, which has dozens of data points. 01:05:36
OK, why did you? 01:05:42
Just curious, why did you? 01:05:43
That particular. 01:05:46
Structure. 01:05:48
As opposed to. 01:05:50
Other similar that may be similar. 01:05:52
In the area. 01:05:54
Yeah, that's a good question. 01:05:55
This type of managed structure is fairly unique. We want to make sure that we got one. 01:05:58
In Utah County near a major university. 01:06:03
Because we anticipated that you would have a lot of, you know, you would have students. 01:06:06
And young professionals. 01:06:11
Living in these departments, so that's why we chose the Provo location. 01:06:13
And the commercial on the 1st floor and the Instagram of the film was also a crucial component. So that's that's why we chose that 01:06:17
one. 01:06:20
OK. Are there any similar ones and? 01:06:24
Say a warm. 01:06:27
I We. 01:06:30
Checked for other similar ones. 01:06:31
Couldn't find any norm. 01:06:33
You didn't. You did, but you didn't find it correct. Yeah, and and the other. 01:06:37
Complication is that. 01:06:42
We have to get permission from the owner of the property to perform the count. 01:06:45
This one was willing to let us come in in the middle of the night and perform our account. 01:06:51
But yeah, that's. 01:06:57
That's why we chose the yeah, the proper 1 so. 01:07:00
Cool. I think this is great and I agree with Morgan that I think this is very. 01:07:07
Thoughtful and I don't really anticipate any. 01:07:12
Issues. 01:07:15
Based on what I've seen through the study and through the enforcement of it, I do have a question though, just. 01:07:16
On the enforcement side. 01:07:23
Because obviously. 01:07:25
With the ratios that were mentioned. 01:07:27
One space per one bedroom, 2 spaces per two bedrooms. 01:07:29
And then the 2 1/2 spaces for three bedrooms. I I feel like personally there's going to be adequate parking, but. 01:07:32
In the enforcement of it in the leasing of these units is. 01:07:38
Will it be clearly understood how many? 01:07:44
Stalls. Parking stalls. 01:07:46
Come with said unit and like. 01:07:48
Like how does that, how does that work and because I couldn't really find that. So that's going to be very much controlled with in 01:07:52
the leasing process. 01:07:56
And that's also it is mentioned in the parking management plan. 01:08:00
Surface. It doesn't go into great until yet. 01:08:05
But. 01:08:08
But essentially the leasing will be controlled. Excuse me? The parking will be controlled based on each lease. So if all the 01:08:10
parking stalls are assigned already, there will be no more leases. 01:08:15
So it will be very much controlled. Cool. 01:08:21
And I would imagine that the opposite would also be true if. 01:08:24
If they're all the leases were. 01:08:28
Given out or leased out and there was still parking available. 01:08:31
Could someone then? 01:08:34
Lease an additional. 01:08:36
Parking spot. 01:08:37
That's definitely something that could be considered. We haven't really. 01:08:38
Thought about that but that's a great question. OK, cool. Yeah, I just think that that would be helpful and would. 01:08:42
Eliminate any problems down the road if. 01:08:47
That expectation was set out. 01:08:50
At the leasing table, so. 01:08:53
OK. And chair, just so you know the motion. 01:08:59
The sample motion is incorrect. It would be a motion for approval or denial by the Planning Commission. So you guys are afforded 01:09:03
the authority. 01:09:07
To make the decision. This is not a recommendation to the City Council, Yeah. 01:09:12
OK. 01:09:16
I just have a. 01:09:19
A couple of. 01:09:21
Questions. 01:09:23
Like a total of 408. 01:09:28
Bedrooms. 01:09:31
According. 01:09:35
If I'm reading. 01:09:37
That right that you're going to have a total of 400. 01:09:39
I'm sorry, are you talking about just the rooms total or the units? There's 302 units. 01:09:42
287 are the apartment units, 15 are short term rental units. 01:09:48
OK. 01:09:54
So I. 01:09:58
I think. 01:10:00
The The study seems to have been. 01:10:04
Well done procedurally. 01:10:07
I'm I'm a little. 01:10:09
Concerned. 01:10:13
That there's an assumption that. 01:10:14
With one bedroom. 01:10:18
There'll only be one car. 01:10:21
Owner there. 01:10:24
And yeah, and with the two-bedroom? 01:10:27
With the other size bedroom. 01:10:31
Studios. 01:10:33
Yeah. And and that's and that's why we collected. 01:10:34
That's why we're relying on. 01:10:38
Local data and the national relying on what? 01:10:40
On the local data that we collected and the national rates. 01:10:44
To back up our numbers. 01:10:47
Yeah, I think what you're looking at, David, is just the. 01:10:54
The require. 01:10:57
Yeah, sorry. Eric Towner with X Development. What? 01:10:59
What we relied on was a. 01:11:02
Large sample of consultants so the Parking Design group which created the parking management plan. 01:11:04
Hales Engineering which did the traffic. 01:11:12
Impact as well as the parking impact studies. 01:11:14
And the traffic counts and the car counts with comparable properties. 01:11:17
And national ITE standards. 01:11:21
As well as several architects that design these types of buildings, as well as property management companies that manage these 01:11:23
buildings all across the country and a national developer partner that we're partnering with. 01:11:28
That have all come to the conclusion that we are over parking the site slightly. 01:11:35
Mostly at the recommendation and the push from. 01:11:40
Your staff. That said, you guys should push a little above and beyond. Make sure that you guys have more. 01:11:43
Even though this is 24/7 on site property. 01:11:49
Managed and parking managed and we're going to control it through the leasing process that we will hand out. 01:11:52
It'll be impossible to get into the parking garage unless you have. 01:11:58
A parking pass or or some type of RFID chip or remote to lift the gate up. 01:12:02
And then once all those passes are handed out. 01:12:07
There are no more ability to hand out more passes, there's no more demand and so the. 01:12:09
The responsibility comes at the leasing process. 01:12:13
Educate and to sign appropriate leases with the appropriate vehicle count per unit. 01:12:17
Or, uh. 01:12:23
You know if it's if it's one parking pass per bedroom or AS. 01:12:24
Commissioner wrote and had said if there are excess stalls, those can be available at an additional fee. 01:12:29
As needed. 01:12:34
But it was it was a this has been a two year process of dealing with. 01:12:36
Probably a combined 7 or 8. 01:12:41
Local and national consultants to come to this amount. 01:12:44
Thank you. 01:12:48
I have one hypothetical. 01:12:53
OK so I am leasing a space from you and I don't want to pay for parking. Sure. Where does my car go? 01:12:55
If you. 01:13:03
This building is not for you. 01:13:04
Yeah, that's the perfect answer. Or if I don't have a car. 01:13:06
Is there a discounted rate that could be applied for sure? 01:13:12
Yeah, that's that's contemplated there. 01:13:15
Which makes the. 01:13:17
Really exciting for this project is the potential that somebody could live here without a car. 01:13:19
And and could walk to Topgolf, could walk to Chipotle to go eat, Could go see a movie at Megaplex. 01:13:22
Hop on an E scooter if we put those within the shopping center, which we've been. 01:13:29
Canvassing the community to see if anybody would actually use those or if those would become more of an eyesore or. 01:13:33
You know, just littered on the sidewalk, but. 01:13:38
That that was definitely contemplated with the overall general project that we've developed almost 40 acres in this location. 01:13:40
The potential that somebody could. 01:13:47
Truly live somewhere, work at a medical office building and eat and play. 01:13:49
Without getting in a car. 01:13:54
Was really exciting for us when we started this project. 01:13:56
About 7-8 years ago to come to this point has been. 01:13:59
Has been really satisfying. 01:14:02
Or hop on the train like it's close enough to get. Sure, Yeah, yeah. 01:14:04
Yeah, great. 01:14:08
Thank you. 01:14:10
Is there an assumption? 01:14:11
That resident. 01:14:13
Will park in the commercial spot. 01:14:17
At the appropriate times that that's what the parking management on site authority is there to do is to direct. 01:14:19
To direct certain cars at certain times to certain stalls. 01:14:26
Correct. 01:14:30
Utilizing technology and the parking design plan that's been been set up. 01:14:31
And also. 01:14:38
Vice versa, that could also monitor cheapskates like me who will say I'm not going to pay for parking, I'm going to park in front 01:14:39
of Topgolf. 01:14:42
The parking management plan, that constant monitoring would be able to verify that's not an appropriate use and it's breaking your 01:14:45
lease, correct? So enforcement over all overall project management, including the overall yard. 01:14:52
Is contemplated here with the cross access and cross easements agreement that this building has with all the other parcels within 01:14:59
the yard. 01:15:03
OK. Thank you. 01:15:10
Very much. 01:15:12
Again, even though this is not a public hearing, I would like to open it up to public comment if there are any questions. 01:15:15
Hi, it's David Laray. 01:15:27
I just want to say. 01:15:29
I really appreciate the work at X Development has done. 01:15:30
In putting this together and. 01:15:33
And in fact, the whole yard development really has gone very, very well. 01:15:35
This is an excellent use for this particular spot. 01:15:39
Sort of an odd spot. And they really, I think, maximized the use of that. I really applaud them for that. 01:15:42
Their efforts to control parking and to solve a. 01:15:47
A park? A potential parking problem? 01:15:51
Like we've seen other places is, I think excellent as well. 01:15:53
I think they have they thought thought through very well. 01:15:56
I'm as a member of the public. I'm fully in support. 01:15:58
Thank you. 01:16:01
Anyone else? 01:16:06
All right. 01:16:08
Close public comment and if there's any other final thoughts, I'm also happy to entertain a motion. 01:16:10
No thoughts. I'm happy to make a motion. So Morgan, it's just I moved to instead of. 01:16:17
Forward a positive recommendation. It's just approved. Approved, yeah. 01:16:23
OK, I move to approve the parking management plan as presented. 01:16:27
By staff as allowed per the development agreement between Vineyard City and X Development. 01:16:32
I'll second. 01:16:37
All right, have a motion a second, all in favor. 01:16:38
Aye, any opposed? 01:16:40
All right, passes unanimously. 01:16:42
Thank you. 01:16:44
You have the orange light. 01:16:45
All right, we'll move on. 01:16:53
To our next one. 01:16:55
Which is item 5.5, the conditional use permit for a hybrid production facility. 01:16:57
At 263 N Geneva Rd. 01:17:04
Correct, I'll be handling this one. 01:17:07
As a reminder that this is not a site plan, it is just they want to obtain the conditional use before they they start on the site 01:17:09
plan process. 01:17:13
So that's what we're examining here. 01:17:16
You can see that the proposed lot here. This is part of the Gru. Just to the South of it, you'd have Jiffy Lube, Mr. Car Wash, 01:17:18
AutoZone. 01:17:23
And then it would be this hybrid production facility. 01:17:27
And then you have the medical office building in the hotel. So this lot here, lot 202, does have direct access to Geneva Rd. 01:17:31
And then the access Rd. for the Gru would just kind of run up on the West side of it. 01:17:38
So hybrid production facility is a pretty unique type use that we do have in our code. But essentially what it is, is it allows 01:17:44
for a manufacturing of a good but also having a storefront that is meant for retail use. 01:17:50
And so that is what they're proposing here. They've been approached by a. 01:17:56
Candy or chocolate maker? 01:18:00
Who's wanting to produce their goods on site as well as have a retail location? 01:18:03
Yeah, come on. 01:18:08
Here is the candy is what we need to know. This is the question. 01:18:09
So that's what they're proposing here. It'll be constructing and operating a facility that will manufacture candies, chocolates, 01:18:14
jams, jellies, pancake syrups and other related items. 01:18:18
It's intended the retail portion of the building will be around 1500 square feet, or 1/6 of the overall building, according to the 01:18:22
rough site plan that they have provided. 01:18:27
The conditional use permit objective here would be to allow this use to go forward and. 01:18:32
Attain their site plan permit. 01:18:38
And we can use this time to discuss the configuration of the building as well as the loading, unloading and parking of the site. 01:18:41
One thing I do want to note, the hybrid production facilities does state that it must be similar in size, scale and scope of 01:18:48
operation with adjacent or nearby uses. 01:18:52
And you can see the nearby uses that I've listed there below. 01:18:57
So here's the site. I kind of flipped it. Geneva Rd. would be. 01:19:01
Right here where my cursor is at. 01:19:06
And you can kind of see how it relates to the rest of the GRMU and those uses. 01:19:08
I believe this right here would be for like trucks so the you know, as they get deliveries and. 01:19:15
Whatnot that pulling right here. 01:19:21
The Gru does require like the building frontage to face the street. 01:19:23
So I imagine they have the retail component here, but once again, we're not in site plans. We don't want to get into tuned to the 01:19:27
weeds on that. 01:19:31
But this is the overall site of what they're hoping to accomplish with this. 01:19:34
And that's all I have. And once again this is an ex development project so if you have any questions or they want to add anything. 01:19:41
I'll turn it over to them. 01:19:47
I just wanted to add really quickly. So that is very, very preliminary. 01:19:48
Concept it's, I mean, we basically tried to put as big as building as possible, but still meet all the parking code and everything 01:19:53
just to throw on there to see. 01:19:57
You know what would fit like? 01:20:01
What would be the biggest thing that would fit? But that doesn't mean that's necessarily what the buyer would want to use the 01:20:03
Excuse me, the user. 01:20:08
So that's just to give you an idea though of that, that's what it could be. 01:20:13
But but yeah, what Do you have any questions while I'm up here? 01:20:17
Do we have any questions for staff or the applicant? 01:20:20
Jeff. 01:20:24
Just to clarify on the lower. 01:20:27
Left hand side. 01:20:30
That Geneva Rd. 01:20:32
No, it's yeah, exactly right. That's Geneva role. Yes, that is Geneva. This is the Access Rd. This road, the blue line here goes 01:20:34
straight down to Geneva and then it's AutoZone. That's. 01:20:40
To the South of it, right there, right here. 01:20:46
So it has that shared access drive there. 01:20:49
So this is more like more simple manufacturing as far as your. 01:20:54
It's creating some sort of product that's a food product, right? It's yeah, it's just, it's the production of the food, but then 01:20:58
it's also selling it in the front, the packaging almost similar to like what Brooker's does, but it just on a on a larger scale, 01:21:02
OK. 01:21:07
I'm just thinking about like the. 01:21:13
Overall environmental impact and what that is. 01:21:15
Depending on. 01:21:18
How it's being manufactured, but. 01:21:19
I'm sure that's something you could talk about. 01:21:21
More later and I'm envisioning if you're having a storefront to of a product that is a consumable. 01:21:24
It could be similar to even how like. 01:21:32
We have bucked up and built these other ones that have like a store on the front of it. Yep exactly. It would be a retail. 01:21:35
Store in the front would be like a candy store in the front and then the rest of it be where it's pretty, where it's manufactured, 01:21:43
produced. And forgive me for an an ignorant question. Yeah, even as you're explaining to me, we can help in cash. So you saying 01:21:48
there will be an actual like turn in from Geneva or it will be a different Rd. It's that road right there that is the access. 01:21:53
Access. Okay, yeah. 01:21:58
Because just that flow like not that many turn in. 01:22:04
Right now and the flow of traffic is really halted because everybody has to go around the corner. 01:22:07
Because there's a couple places you can turn in the parking lots don't connect. 01:22:12
Yeah, that's really going to change pretty soon as the hotel opens. There's an access point there. There's the one that's right 01:22:16
where AutoZone is. So and that's going to flow. There will be cross access all the way down to O'Reilly as well and all the way up 01:22:22
to McDonald's to 400 N So it's going to help. It's going to make a huge difference. Yeah, that's great. 01:22:28
OK. Thank you. You're welcome. Any other questions? 01:22:34
Brings candy next time that's yeah just next steps for the if it does get an approval they will be going through like the site 01:22:38
plan process where they will be bringing the elevations and the landscaping and all that for. 01:22:43
The Planning Commission to review again. 01:22:48
Wonderful. 01:22:52
Cool. 01:22:53
Any comments or questions from the public? 01:22:55
OK, seeing none. 01:23:00
Other than a big thumbs up. 01:23:01
Do we have a motion? 01:23:04
I'll make a motion to recommend approval. 01:23:07
That's 2025 actually. 01:23:11
As presented for the conditional use permit. 01:23:14
Yeah, this would be an approval, not a recommendation, sorry. 01:23:17
Motion there I have. 01:23:21
You want me to read it? 01:23:22
But you motion to approve it as presented. 01:23:25
Yeah. Do we have a second? Second. 01:23:27
All in favor. 01:23:29
Aye, aye, All right. Passes unanimously. 01:23:31
Thank you. 01:23:34
All right, we will move on to our last. 01:23:36
Business item. 01:23:40
Which is 5.7. 01:23:42
Which is the Vineyard City code update. 01:23:45
And this is a public hearing. 01:23:47
OK, awesome. 01:23:49
So this is a background. 01:23:50
Everybody's leaving for my presentation. I'm hurt. 01:23:53
This is. 01:23:56
Been a lot of work to get to this point. 01:23:57
So at least I have you here, Jane. So. 01:23:59
Just as a refresher, over the past few months, I think since November, October last year, we've been kind of going over our zoning 01:24:02
code as we present it to the Planning Commission for feedback. 01:24:07
You know, as planners, we've been going over it and we've hopefully culminated to this point where. 01:24:13
We feel comfortable presenting this for a recommendation tonight. 01:24:19
And so I have just a brief presentation here to go over those changes. We've made some modifications since we've last. 01:24:23
Talked and presented this. 01:24:29
The first thing I wanted to know is the public notice and all that makes it look like we are changing a lot of sections, which is 01:24:31
true. 01:24:34
However, a lot of the sections are just grammar and formatting updates, so I wanted to get that out of the way that most of these 01:24:37
sections, there's small things that we're changing here and there. 01:24:41
I'll get into the weeds on the bigger more important things that we're changing. So all these sections there are changes, but like 01:24:45
I said, pretty minor. 01:24:49
So I'll get right into it, the land use authorities. So this is the section that creates the Planning Commission as well as the 01:24:54
Development Review Committee. 01:24:57
The changes here we are allowing up to three appointments can expire each year. 01:25:01
Currently the code says only one can expire each year, which is actually impossible with eight commissioners so. 01:25:06
Want to get that out of the way? 01:25:11
We wanted to allow for a vote. 01:25:13
To vote on an item just requires A quorum to be present right now, it says. 01:25:15
A majority of the total members of the body. 01:25:19
That require four people, so we felt a vote required to quorum. 01:25:22
And then we have a provision in here to for the election of a chair pro tempore in case the Chair and Vice Chair not. 01:25:26
Present umm. 01:25:34
Also, do you want me to run through everything and then do questions or do you want me to stop at each slide? Let's go through 01:25:36
everything and then we may interrupt you if we feel we need to. Love it. 01:25:40
DRC, we just have an additional provision in here that each member of the DRC can appoint designee, including the Planning 01:25:45
Commissioner. As you know right now our code says the Planning commissioner can't do that. We felt it was appropriate to. 01:25:51
Or the chair of the Planning Commission to appoint a designee to fill their stead. 01:25:57
OK. This is a big one that we've made changes to. This is establishments of districts and zoning tables. 01:26:03
We added the definition of the group. 01:26:09
We clarified the interpretation of the zoning map. 01:26:12
If there's a partial that's zoned in both in multiple categories, how we interpret that? 01:26:15
We updated the district use table format so it's easier to read. I think that was requested last time. 01:26:21
That it can be kind of hard to read. So we made it so every like, I don't know, 10 or so items, it lists out the different zones 01:26:26
again so people can read it easily. 01:26:30
And then these are all the new uses that we are proposing. So we have check cashing and I have definition all that for these if 01:26:35
you guys have questions about them, but check cashing and other credit services like a payday loan center. 01:26:40
We have as conditional in regional commercial. 01:26:46
I do want to just provide some context here. 01:26:49
When you have a use like a payday loan center wants to come to the city. If we don't have necessarily a. 01:26:51
Proper use for it like this, we have to kind of go into the where it best fits. 01:26:58
And so we want to be prevent or. 01:27:02
Proactive here and. 01:27:04
Create what where that could be and then create the standards for development of that type of use. 01:27:05
So that's what we're doing with like that hotel extended stays. 01:27:11
Retail tobacco stores and even, I guess you could say tattoo establishments. 01:27:14
Car washes, we really did limit their use just as conditional in the Gru, RC and FY districts. 01:27:20
Permitted in manufacturing is staying the same. 01:27:27
Hotel extended stay conditional in the Gru and Regional Commercial Mobile Food Corp conditional in the RMU. 01:27:30
Retail tobacco specialty business conditional in the RC. 01:27:37
Tattoo establishment would be permitted in Armu Gru Fmu which is a forge. 01:27:41
And the RC. 01:27:47
And then the tennis sports court, this was conditional across the city. So if you want to put one in your backyard, you were 01:27:48
supposed to go through and get a conditional use permit and nobody was doing that. 01:27:53
So we just felt like it would make more sense to just allow them in residential yards where they had a big enough yard for it. 01:27:57
Development agreements. Right now there's a provision in there that says every development agreement needs to be reviewed annually 01:28:06
by the City Council. 01:28:09
I don't think that's being done too well. I mean, in a way it is. Applications get brought forward to the City Council, but. 01:28:13
We just want to add a provision that city staff could do the review and provide that report to the City Council. 01:28:19
Just making you know this is administrative action, so. 01:28:24
If I can interrupt. 01:28:29
This includes the requirement that after staff completes that review, it goes forward to the council. Not for an action 01:28:30
necessarily, but as a report. Yeah, OK, great. 01:28:34
Temporary uses. So this one, once again, we've made quite a few changes. We're allowing temporary business licenses to be issued 01:28:40
in place of the temporary use permit. 01:28:44
In some cases. 01:28:49
We have language in here that a temporary use can be permitted for 60 consecutive days. I know we had some conversation about. 01:28:51
How we want to do that And so we just decided on that 60 consecutive days. 01:28:57
And then we created the seasonal use permit. 01:29:01
Which would be allowed between April 1st and October 31st for a maximum of 180 days. 01:29:04
That's like a shaved ice stand is a perfect example of that. 01:29:09
And then we created a development standards for these types of uses that they need to provide us improved dustless surface 01:29:13
parking. 01:29:16
They need to make sure that there's access to the site and they're not blocking other. 01:29:19
Uses nearby, they need to provide a solid waste like trash can facilities or plan for that. 01:29:24
As well as with restrooms. 01:29:30
Continued seasonal uses, we do want to see a site plan for that as it can have a little bit more of an impact. 01:29:34
And we are making sure that they don't impact. 01:29:41
Parking nearby. So if you have a seasonal, you say shave guy stand you want to put it. 01:29:45
In a parking lot, we're going to make sure that the minimum parking for that area is still being met with all the uses. 01:29:49
Fireworks stands the same thing, site plan and we want to see the dates of operation and make sure they're falling within the 01:29:55
state guidelines there. State law, I should say, not guidelines. 01:30:00
And carnivals and festivals. We decided that a special event permit makes more sense for this than a temporary or seasonal use. 01:30:05
And that way it's being reviewed by our fire department. Our police are, you know, it's a more broader permit than just a planner 01:30:11
and the business licensing person, so. 01:30:16
And then we added garage sales as an exemption for temporary use permits that people don't need to get a permit for that. 01:30:22
Conditional uses. 01:30:30
The the old code update did remove the requirement for title report and survey. We felt it was necessary to keep title report in 01:30:32
there, but we didn't think a survey was necessary. A survey of the property. 01:30:37
So we're moving that requirement. 01:30:42
And then we are including a condition here that a traffic impact analysis. 01:30:44
Is required if requested by the planner, by the Planning Commission. 01:30:49
By the city engineer. 01:30:54
General property development standards. I should update this. It doesn't remove allowance for flag lots, but it changes how we 01:31:00
measure the frontage for flag lots in the city. 01:31:05
Our code right now does require that every driveway has to have direct access to a garage or carport. 01:31:11
Which is a bit confusing is you have a lot of people who put in an extra pad for cement. 01:31:17
That's within our for concrete that that's within our. 01:31:21
Allowance. 01:31:24
Our zoning code that doesn't necessarily access a broader carport, so we wanted to clear that up. 01:31:28
And then we updated the Clearview on driveways. We added a new image there to help show how we're going to measure that, and it's 01:31:33
10 feet from the sidewalk now. 01:31:37
Our existing code is 12 feet from the curb. 01:31:42
Which really doesn't do much and there's a few properties in Vineyard where that's become a problem where they put up a fence. 01:31:45
Right there and. 01:31:51
It's it's very shy, obscuring and we're worried about the safety of people as they're walking by and ends as you have a driveway 01:31:52
right there. There's a lot of conflict. 01:31:56
So we just wanted to update that. 01:32:00
I'm so sorry, I could go back. 01:32:04
When it says removes the allowance for flag lots, can you go into more detail? What the? Yeah sorry like I said I shouldn't have. 01:32:07
Phrased it like that, let me open up the actual code. 01:32:13
And you can see. 01:32:18
We no longer allow driveways on flag lots. 01:32:20
You must use the lawn. 01:32:23
So this is the section talking about the lot frontage required. So it's saying. 01:32:35
That every house has to front onto a street. 01:32:40
And then we're saying that there's an exception to that, that if a lot has been approved as a flag lot. 01:32:44
And there are currently no flag lots in the city. 01:32:49
And and so HR planner felt it was not necessary to have this provision in there. 01:32:53
As we don't have any in the city. 01:32:58
OK. 01:33:00
Nor do we anticipate with the new style of developments that are coming. I don't imagine there's a few potentially near Holdaway 01:33:05
Rd. where. 01:33:10
That it could potentially happen. They want to split one of the larger lots, yeah. 01:33:14
But but yeah, as our Holdaway Rd. resident here. 01:33:19
Sorry, started over here. 01:33:25
OK, accessory dwelling units. 01:33:30
Are if you remember last time we talked about how our general plan does. 01:33:33
Say we need to allow for prefabricated homes as accessory dwelling units, and I know there's a lot of. 01:33:37
Talk about how we can make that happen. 01:33:43
Without necessarily like, ruining the character of some neighborhoods, right? 01:33:45
And so we are requiring that they are placed on permanent foundation and that the design of the structure must be consistent with 01:33:49
the primary structure. 01:33:53
So we felt that that language there prevented kind of like a mobile Home Park from being built into a neighborhood. They really 01:33:57
would have to address this up to almost make it look like it's, you know, as part of the house. 01:34:02
But still as a. 01:34:08
Affordable way to bring in an Adu if you're looking. 01:34:10
You know, do that to your property, so. 01:34:14
We're only allowing one with impact home occupation for in case you know, if you have an Adu and you have a hair salon upstairs, 01:34:16
you're downstairs neighbors couldn't have a. 01:34:21
Preschool. 01:34:27
We just thought that was a lot of impact for one house. 01:34:28
And then we have a clause in there that the license can be revoked or denied due to zoning violations. 01:34:32
Home occupations. This is a pretty big one. We've created new definitions for what like an employee in a customer is. 01:34:40
We've updated the permitted list to Personal Care Services. 01:34:46
Animal hobby breeders or pet grooming. This is just to kind of give you an idea of what's permitted, not necessarily defining 01:34:50
everything that that's permitted. 01:34:54
And we were specific in the not permitted less medical practitioner, medical spa, vet services, animal animal warding and pet day 01:34:58
care. 01:35:02
The aggregate impact of multiple home occupations cannot equal the. 01:35:07
Impact of 1. 01:35:11
Nonprofits with impact are going to be subject to these standards. 01:35:13
Group instructions that be if somebody wanted to teach dance classes, singing lessons to some siblings or something, we're 01:35:17
allowing up to six. They do have to get a conditional use permit and they do have to provide 5 off street parking spaces. 01:35:23
Umm, we can now require inspections if there's some non compliance issues, and we can deny license if there's non compliance 01:35:31
issues. 01:35:35
And then we are doing a little bit of a parking reduction for homes with impact. 01:35:39
At multifamily dwellings, if somebody wanted to have, say, a. 01:35:44
A Barber shop in and they live in a condo building. We just want to see that they have two dedicated spaces that the customer 01:35:48
could park in. 01:35:51
We just felt it was more equitable that way. 01:35:56
Swimming pools and drive throughs. This is new. The swimming pool section anyways. 01:36:00
We've had some people request that they are allowed to build a safety cover instead of a fenced in property. 01:36:06
This the building code actually all they require is a safety cover. They don't even require fence. 01:36:13
But our code was pretty specific about that. 01:36:19
And so one other thing we did want to add in is if say somebody has a property or a backyard and they share that with a neighbor 01:36:22
and they they fence in the entire backyard except for the fence between their two properties. 01:36:27
We're allowing them to enter into an agreement that if one of them moves, they'll construct a fence between the pool and the. 01:36:33
The neighboring property. 01:36:39
Does that make sense? 01:36:41
Yeah, is said agreement then like. 01:36:43
Recorded with title. 01:36:46
And so it's tied to that or is that something just managed by a planning department? And if so? 01:36:47
How in the world do you enforce that? Yeah, yeah, that's something. I definitely, I sent this off to her attorney to review. 01:36:52
Because I agree. I think it's, you know. 01:37:00
As easy to say you'll, you'll make this agreement. We want to make sure that. 01:37:03
They will actually follow through with it. 01:37:07
Yeah, we'd have it, recorded County. 01:37:10
Then it would be tied to title and how it would be a disclosure at the time of any kind of exchange. OK, yeah. 01:37:12
Dr. Throughs. We did make some edits. We kind of reverted back to our original code from what we've presented in the past. 01:37:19
But we do want to. There's quite a few updates such as queuing lanes can't block entrances to buildings or parking spaces. 01:37:28
We are going to require a traffic and queuing study for every drive through. We want to make sure that that queues aren't going 01:37:35
out into the public St. 01:37:39
And causing issues. I know some restaurants have that that problem. 01:37:42
And then food trucks, if they have a drive through, they need to follow the standards of this section. 01:37:46
So we were originally scrapping the idea that you need to get a conditional use permit to put a drive through. 01:37:52
We're reverting back and keeping that the same. 01:37:58
Before moving on, I just want to give my opinion. 01:38:03
And it is only one persons opinion. 01:38:06
I like the idea of if you have a swimming pool in your backyard, you have to have a fenced in yard that. 01:38:09
Isn't open and shared with the neighbor. I'm of the opinion that it should be. 01:38:16
Able to be completely closed off just out of safety. OK, if you want we can just my. 01:38:20
We can include that in the in the recommendation to the City Council. 01:38:25
We can provide these notes. I have talked to some members of the Council about this already. 01:38:29
So. But that will make note of that. 01:38:35
OK. Here are those new uses that I mentioned before, check cashing, we have a distance requirement. So we're saying you can only 01:38:38
have one every, I think half mile from another. 01:38:43
And then no more than one per 10,000 residents. 01:38:49
In the city, short term rentals, big update here. I know last time we had a lot of discussion about this and. 01:38:52
You know, I think Bryce was saying, well, I don't want people to have a short term rental license in my neighborhood. I'll just 01:38:57
buy the license and whatnot. We we got rid of all of that and were to the point where. 01:39:02
We're only allowing them within multifamily complexes within the RMU with professional on site management. That's their 24/7. 01:39:07
And if you think back. 01:39:15
20 minutes ago to what? 01:39:16
Xdev was presenting. We're building it out for that, building that. 01:39:17
By the development agreement need to provide short term rentals. 01:39:22
Yeah. And it's anticipated too. I mean that's the type of use that that is good. And so if a project is built with that use in 01:39:25
mind like theirs was, then they're accounting for any of those detrimental impacts that could come from a short term rental, so. 01:39:32
You know, I'd be feel like that's a good model moving forward if we do, there is some interest in allowing short term rentals in 01:39:40
the single family neighborhoods. 01:39:44
We felt just like that. 01:39:48
Was a pretty big left and there's probably a lot more public outreach that needs to occur before we we allow something to be more 01:39:50
widespread. 01:39:53
So. 01:40:00
Yeah, it essentially is designed for that one building. Even like Edgewater or the yeah Edgewater townhomes, this would not be 01:40:02
permitted there as they don't have 24/7 on site management. 01:40:07
We're we're really restricting it to that one partial. 01:40:13
Mobile food courts This is designed if there's three or more food trucks on a lot, they need to go through site plan, process, 01:40:17
conditional use permit. 01:40:20
Provide bathrooms and whatnot. 01:40:24
Retail tobacco specialty business. This is like a vape shop. 01:40:29
There is a separation requirement from community locations that would be like schools, parks. 01:40:33
Churches, we have a definition for that later on. 01:40:38
And then no more than one per 25,000 residents there. 01:40:41
And cash to clarify on that one, that was really just to kind of set. 01:40:45
Parameters in place, we would still have the opportunity. 01:40:49
To accept or deny an application for that, correct. 01:40:52
Yeah, yeah. I mean, essentially one could come to the city and say we want to bring in a vape shop and we'll make sure they follow 01:40:55
these parameters. 01:40:59
And if they don't say, you know, if we already have one and we're only at 2520 thousand residents, we would no longer accept new 01:41:03
businesses until. 01:41:07
We reach that new threshold. 01:41:11
But we would still. 01:41:13
We would still retain the opportunity to say, hey, we don't feel like this fits our it's a conditional use. It's conditional use. 01:41:14
That's why I wanted to know. Thank you. 01:41:18
So, umm. 01:41:21
And that's a really great question because in Utah, though. 01:41:23
It is unlike some other states. 01:41:26
A conditional use permit is essentially A permitted use. 01:41:29
But it allows you as the Planning Commission, another layer of kind of discretion oversight. Yeah, you can. You can, you can 01:41:33
provide, you can provide conditions. 01:41:38
To mitigate detrimental impacts to neighboring properties. But to be honest and we've. 01:41:43
You know, we've studied this quite a bit from our attorney and just like legal trainings, it's, it's really hard to deny a 01:41:48
conditional use. 01:41:52
And so you you got to kind of understand when you list something as a conditional use you pretty much. 01:41:57
It's a permitted use, but you're allowed to add a lot of conditions. 01:42:01
To mitigate impacts, OK, One example of that is the Mr. Car Wash. We had them do a sound study in that sound study showed that 01:42:04
they needed to put up a barrier wall between them and the Edgewater townhomes to prevent the sound from. 01:42:11
Spilling over into the neighboring property so if you ever go there you'll see that they have AI. Think a 10 foot tall sound wall 01:42:18
between them and Edgewater now. 01:42:22
So, yeah, essentially, but yeah, that's the retail tobacco special business. I think it's. 01:42:27
Conditional in the regional commercial zone. 01:42:31
So. 01:42:34
Site planning and design requirements we've made. This is once again, the goal of this was to remove any subjective language from 01:42:37
the code and replace it with objective or measurable language. 01:42:41
It used to have a lot of like fluffy fluffy language that's like. 01:42:46
The city wants you to encourages this or whatnot and and there's no way as planners as we get an application to measure that 01:42:50
necessarily. So we tried our best to remove all of that subjective language and replace it with. 01:42:56
How can we measure that? Right? So in the purpose statement though we did include more of that that fluffier language of here's 01:43:02
kind of the idea of what we want to promote. 01:43:07
And then within the code itself is the steps of how we'll do that. 01:43:12
I know like Daria was here when we went over this and she was disappointed to see like we were moving a lot of language about 01:43:17
historic and rural character. We were doing that because it's really hard to measure what that means. So we put that instead into 01:43:21
the purpose statement saying we do want to encourage that kind of development. 01:43:26
And we do that in the code itself by talking about like materials that we're going to allow, right? 01:43:32
And so that's. 01:43:38
Going into detail on that, we're going to require 2 project features. 01:43:40
This you can think of like, for example, would be like that Vineyard sign on the Maverick. If you've seen that wall there, they 01:43:44
have a big Vineyard sign that without being an example of a project feature that we want to see. 01:43:49
But entry features public art, streetscape designs, pedestrian cut off, pedestrian recycling facilities. 01:43:53
So they could put like a bike repair station or something like that. 01:44:00
But that's something they'll have to propose in their site plan application. You know, we'll ask if this is enough to the Planning 01:44:03
Commission. You guys will decide on that. 01:44:07
We want to see articulation on all facades for every 30 feet of the facade they need to. 01:44:12
Make changes variations on the roofline every 50 feet. We want to see changes there. 01:44:19
And then recesses and projections every 100 feet. 01:44:24
And then we have a requirement of two architectural details. So that is like I said when I was talking about the historic and 01:44:29
rural nature, we have some architecture details and materials that we're going to require now. 01:44:35
It's all laid out. It's like the stone and exposed metal and. 01:44:42
And stuff like that. 01:44:46
Umm, OK. Continuing on, we're going to allow up to 15% of the existing building footprint to be expanded as a site plan amendment. 01:44:51
This was just kind of a Gray area in the code. So now we're actually measuring how do we justify what's a site plan amendment? 01:45:00
And that would require going back to the Planning Commission for approval. 01:45:06
And same thing with accessory structures. We're doing that, you know, if it if it reaches a certain threshold, it goes to the 01:45:10
Planning Commission for approval. 01:45:13
We're making it so there has to be 1 main entrance facing the street, and that main entrance has to be improved in some way, 01:45:17
elevated in a certain. 01:45:21
With certain materials. 01:45:25
Or landscaping or like a Plaza or, you know, just something to draw people to that main entrance. 01:45:27
Umm, we're going to require there's certain requirements for pedestrian scale if the building is over 20 feet tall. 01:45:34
And then 60% of the building must be a primary material. 01:45:41
That we once again we have listed. 01:45:45
Only 5% of Assad may be in accent color. We had a problem in the past of a. 01:45:48
Certain bright blue. 01:45:52
Industrial building that. 01:45:54
Our code just kind of said. 01:45:57
Try to keep. 01:45:58
Colors, you know, and harmonious with the nature or whatever. And that's really hard for us to. 01:46:00
Say what that means. 01:46:05
Yeah. And so now we're saying this is an accent color, you can have up to 5% of it, right? 01:46:07
We had a lot of discussion about view corridors in the section of How can we? 01:46:13
Measure that right If somebody builds on a lot next to you, how can you protect your views when you don't necessarily own that 01:46:19
land? 01:46:22
So we did put in here that a view corridor analysis may be required by the the Planning Commission. We like to avoid the word may, 01:46:25
but in this instance it's very subjective of. 01:46:30
You know if a building is. 01:46:35
Taller or in a certain location like Top Golf for example, that would be a great example of where we could have required a view 01:46:38
corridor analysis. 01:46:41
But say a. 01:46:46
You know, a candy shop. I don't think it's necessary. 01:46:47
Yeah, I. 01:46:51
I remember talking quite a bit about the. 01:46:52
Yeah, yeah, that. 01:46:55
Just opens up. 01:46:57
Quite a bit so. 01:47:00
I totally get why it's here. 01:47:02
I I just wish we had some kind of these are the circumstances in which a Butte quarter analysis and what I did is I looked at 01:47:06
surrounding communities to see what they had in terms of this, like if they had map or certain features that had to be proven that 01:47:11
they're. 01:47:16
Visible from any location. 01:47:21
And there's really no like, best practice in the nearby communities. 01:47:23
But what I was thinking is what we could do, and this might be a later on text amendment that, you know, we examine this more 01:47:27
holistically is we could create a map of, of our community as well as the the surrounding area and we can show kind of these are 01:47:32
the main corridors that we need to. 01:47:37
Protect. 01:47:42
And if you're building on lots in these areas, you do have to provide this view corridor. I just didn't think that this. 01:47:43
That would fit within this. 01:47:50
Zoning text amendment. 01:47:52
Totally agree. 01:47:54
And we did do something. 01:47:55
To kind of, you know, I guess as a standard on the lakefront commercial district in downtown. 01:47:57
We, we were. 01:48:05
We have a small percentage of the pads that can go up to six stories and the rest of them are limited to three stories. 01:48:06
So that you're maintaining views to the lake. So there was concerns that we might get like some really big six story structures 01:48:13
that would extend all the way through and so. 01:48:18
The City Council wanted to make sure that those were just little limited portions of the of the project and that OK, most of it 01:48:23
was below 3. 01:48:27
Great. 01:48:32
And the last section of this. 01:48:34
Section is landscaping accessories. Then you provide one landscaping accessory. So that could be a bench, it could be some art, 01:48:38
public art, it could be. 01:48:43
Sure, Cauldron. 01:48:48
You know, just something to bring a little bit more like elevation to the site. 01:48:50
Rather than just gravel and trees. 01:48:55
OK. We're almost finished here. Other sections, we really didn't want to touch parking too much in this update, but what we are 01:48:58
doing is we're adding measurements for 45° angled parking. 01:49:04
The stalls measuring that, we don't have any way to do that right now, so we're adding that in there. 01:49:10
And then we are changing how we measure the screening. It was kind of vague. So we're just saying you need to provide show that 01:49:14
there's three feet of screening. 01:49:18
Have any large parking lots? 01:49:23
And then the landscaping. I'm not sure if we brought this. 01:49:25
Height from. 01:49:28
Yeah. I don't know if we brought this forward to you guys or not before, but this is something we've been working with Nassim on 01:49:30
for. 01:49:34
Four years. 01:49:38
And that would be the equivalent acre formula? 01:49:40
For measuring open space, so essentially what it does is we want to see the open space that people are providing is actually 01:49:43
usable open space. 01:49:47
You know, if somebody is proposing a development with a large retaining pond that is not open to the public and completely coats 01:49:51
off. 01:49:54
That is not open space. That's. 01:49:57
You know, infrastructure, yeah. 01:49:59
And so now we have this formula that we can essentially map out or calculate. 01:50:02
You know, if this is that closed off area, we're going to give you .1 credit or no credit for that, where if you're building a 01:50:06
park you get a full credit for it. 01:50:10
Right. And so now we'll be able to plug that into our formula and make sure that they're hitting our open space requirements. 01:50:14
That are actually usable open space. Is there anything you wanted to add to that Naseem? 01:50:19
Just that you're happy I'm getting it done. 01:50:24
So. 01:50:28
This is I think the last slide that I do have is these are all the new definitions that were either modifying or adding. 01:50:30
What we've done is we've combed through the the planning or the the zoning code. 01:50:38
Definitions tab, the municipal code, the special purpose zoning district, just all of our books, we've looked at the definitions 01:50:43
to make sure that they are the same so that way people can't. 01:50:47
Argue what a basement is according to the city. It's all the same in all of our chapters. 01:50:51
Or all of our books. 01:50:56
That's all I have. 01:51:05
If there's any of these you want more in detail I can show, I can pull up the code and show you the specific language that we 01:51:06
wrote in there. 01:51:10
Yeah, but it should all be in the packet as well. 01:51:13
Appreciate it. 01:51:16
I know we interrupted a bit during the presentation. Are there any questions for staff? 01:51:17
OK, this is a public hearing, so we'll go ahead and open it. Are there any public comments? 01:51:23
All right. 01:51:30
Hi, David Luray. Someone has to do it right. 01:51:34
To fight your way up here to pass everybody else. 01:51:36
You made it. 01:51:40
So with along with the. 01:51:41
Commissioner Harbin, I'm concerned about the. 01:51:44
Tobacco Spot and also the Tattoo Pirates. 01:51:47
Those half be permitted uses. Do we have to permit them? Can we like exclude them? 01:51:51
I want to know this too. 01:51:57
Address that after the public hearing. That's anyway that's that's yeah, that would be my big question. I don't. 01:51:58
Everything else seems pretty reasonable. 01:52:04
You know I would. 01:52:07
Maybe have a question. I'll cover a couple of particulars, but I have to think of the actual application to have the particular 01:52:08
SO. 01:52:11
I don't know. 01:52:14
Right. 01:52:15
Thank you. 01:52:17
Anyone else? 01:52:19
All right, seeing none, we'll close the public hearing. 01:52:22
I don't know if you want to go into more detail about prohibiting businesses. 01:52:25
I just know in my experience we've faced it in other communities with tobacco, tattoo, adult oriented businesses. 01:52:30
Marijuana, cannabis or businesses? 01:52:39
And it is near impossible to. 01:52:42
Completely prohibit a specific use due to constitutional rights. 01:52:45
However. 01:52:50
Like we've displayed in the code. 01:52:52
There are cities that can make it very hard and to varying degrees, but outright prohibit. I've never seen a city successfully do 01:52:55
it without getting sued. 01:52:59
Yeah, yeah. And what you said? 01:53:04
The mayor recommend that we make it as difficult as possible for those. So yeah, yeah. For example, right now if say, Vape Shop 01:53:06
wanted to come into Vineyard. 01:53:11
We would have to look at our code to see what we think is best fit category. 01:53:15
And that might just be like retail or you know. 01:53:19
Yeah. And, and and at that point it opens up. 01:53:23
Right next to the puppy barn you're gonna have. 01:53:26
Bingo David S vape shop right? Well, and that's exactly what we've done in other communities. 01:53:28
Is it has to be X feet away from any school, park, residence, place of worship? 01:53:35
Or commercial. 01:53:42
A place that is attractive to families or minors and that pretty much sums up every single space and vineyards right now. By us 01:53:44
calling out these uses, it helps us to regulate them more than they are right now. Right now they can just. 01:53:51
Drop into any retail environment and so by actually calling them out correct allows us to have some standards attached on yeah 01:53:57
that did make sense and your intent there but I just didn't know the. 01:54:03
Like what could be done? What else could we do to prohibit? Yeah, So you can see, and this is the the retail tobacco specialty 01:54:10
business. 01:54:13
We list here that they have to be 1000 feet away from any community location. We list all of those out and it does make it very 01:54:18
difficult to build one in Vineyard. They could probably build one over by the power plant. 01:54:24
And be OK. 01:54:30
Right. But I mean, that's essentially what would that be consistent with their market strategy in order to be profitable business, 01:54:31
right, Right. That's one thing that because everyone has a business owner, I don't want to push my own morals onto others. 01:54:37
But I would hope that any person hoping to and run a business can make savvy business. What we've done here, especially in this 01:54:44
chapter here is we've worked with. 01:54:48
The Utah County Health Department. 01:54:54
To make sure that this falls within state code too. 01:54:56
Kelly and our business licensing department's kind of been spearheading this and she's done a phenomenal job at. 01:55:00
Making sure that we're crossing our. 01:55:05
T's and dotting our eyes. 01:55:07
So great. 01:55:09
Things. 01:55:11
OK. 01:55:14
Are there any other questions? 01:55:16
All right. The sample motion is to recommend approval of the ordinance to the City Council. 01:55:19
Is there a motion? 01:55:26
To accept, to recommend approval, all right, of the ordinance as presented. 01:55:31
Is there a second? A second? 01:55:36
All right, all in favor. 01:55:38
Aye, any opposed? 01:55:40
It passes unanimously. 01:55:42
All right, you know how spoiled we are as a Commission when a 2 hour meeting boy seems like a long one. 01:55:44
But uh. 01:55:52
This was great. Thank you everyone. I will add real quick next in two weeks we do have a lot of items as well for the agenda. So 01:55:53
just. 01:55:56
Looking forward to it. 01:56:01
Well, honestly, a lot of exciting things. Really. Candy samples. 01:56:02
Great. OK. 01:56:07
Let's move on. There's no work session on the agenda, Staff and Commission reports. Is there anything worth reporting by the 01:56:09
Commission or staff? 01:56:13
I will add just real quick the Linden Heritage Trail that we've shown. 01:56:18
Showed you on the Lot 6 site plan. 01:56:22
That's well underway, under construction right now and hopefully we'll connect into the. 01:56:25
City soon. 01:56:29
Great. 01:56:31
Pretty exciting. 01:56:32
Wonderful. Thank you. 01:56:33
Do you have something to see? Oh yeah. So in addition to London Heritage Trail, that's underway in terms of construction. 01:56:36
We did a plan in hand, which just means a review of final construction designs with the dot in terms of the trail enhancement 01:56:43
project which covers. 01:56:48
Installing a hawk system at. 01:56:52
Center St. 01:56:54
Where the current crossing is by Gavin Park. 01:56:55
So changing it out from a. 01:56:58
RRFB to a Hawk. Hawk is in essence allows for higher visibility that crosswalk for vehicles. 01:57:00
Cash and I did look at the options about doing a. 01:57:10
Automatic wedge. 01:57:13
Barrier that would come up in case. I would love to. I would love to go down that route back in my old days. 01:57:14
But. 01:57:22
In seriousness, moving further on where with that trail connection with we would. 01:57:24
Make modifications along the Gammon Park side. 01:57:29
And make the trail connection. 01:57:33
Actually connect into the Gammon Park trail system as well. 01:57:35
Moving further South to Vineyard, can I, excuse me, Vineyard, the elementary now the intersection with the. 01:57:39
With the Orms to these the lakeside park. 01:57:45
Working with Orem City diligently, this is something that. 01:57:49
Morgan and I have, you know, been fishing for for three years now with Arm City. 01:57:53
That's where they're going to realign their parking lot. 01:57:59
Entrance exit. 01:58:02
Parking lot in order to line up to the. 01:58:04
Other to the South like. 01:58:07
As well as adding a. 01:58:10
Moving forward, potentially adding a. 01:58:14
Traffic signal there. 01:58:16
As well and Petrovic signal to include pedestrian crossing of course. 01:58:18
And. 01:58:23
Yeah, if it doesn't crossing. 01:58:25
We're going back to the Mountain Association of Government in regards because it does, that does come with an additional fee. 01:58:27
On that and of course. 01:58:34
So those are planning hands getting ready for construction. 01:58:38
The over at the 400 S we did meet with the developer in regards to going through their initial design, the plans. 01:58:41
On their initial plans for the road. 01:58:52
Construction. 01:58:55
On that particular item. 01:58:57
And Morgan, myself, and a few others. 01:58:59
Discussed discuss include incorporating. 01:59:03
Bicycle. 01:59:07
Lanes in the railway. 01:59:08
Thanks into the roadway. 01:59:11
So when the final designs do come. 01:59:13
We will make sure that that's coordinated through the planning office to the appropriate. 01:59:15
ATC, active transportation. 01:59:20
Mission and planning as well. 01:59:22
For that. 01:59:24
I always have a lot of stuff. 01:59:27
Oh, sorry. And then? 01:59:29
Kind of going back into planning pedestrians. 01:59:31
We have to sign a contract for it. 01:59:35
A traffic signal at 400 N and Mill Rd. 01:59:38
On that and that traffic signal does include pedestrian crossing. 01:59:45
As well as I've been working with the planners. 01:59:48
And the engineering in terms of? 01:59:51
Items we can do to make that more pedestrian. 01:59:55
Friendly. 01:59:57
More than just the traffic signal. 01:59:59
On that, that's just a small bit of. 02:00:01
A lot of things that the planners have been working on. 02:00:03
Engineering that supports them. 02:00:06
All right. Thank you. Thanks. 02:00:09
All right. 02:00:12
That is everything. 02:00:14
I think we can adjourn. 02:00:16
OK, we're adjourned. 02:00:18
Thank you everyone. 02:00:19
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All right. 00:00:00
Thank you everybody for coming. We're going to go ahead and get started. Welcome to the City of Vineyard Planning Commission 00:00:01
meeting. 00:00:05
Of May 7th, 2025. 00:00:09
We're going to start with item number one, which is our call to order. 00:00:13
Order has been called. 00:00:18
And an invocation by Kayden. 00:00:19
And then the Pledge of Allegiance. 00:00:22
Urgent Heavenly Father, we're thankful for this beautiful day which we've been given him for the opportunity that we have to 00:00:27
gather as. 00:00:30
Residents and citizens of a vineyard. 00:00:34
And we're thankful for this opportunity to. 00:00:36
To commit. 00:00:39
To our city and. 00:00:42
Try to make it better for ourselves and for our families and we're thankful for. 00:00:43
All that that goes into. 00:00:47
Making this a great place to live, we ask that thy spirit be here with us tonight as we. 00:00:49
Ask questions and make decisions that. 00:00:52
We will know how. 00:00:55
How to proceed, Father? We ask that that would please. 00:00:56
Help us to. 00:00:59
To be good stewards and we. 00:01:00
Ask these things in the name of Jesus Christ, Amen. 00:01:02
Amen. Right. Everyone, please stand. 00:01:04
I pledge allegiance to the flag. 00:01:10
Of the United States of America. 00:01:13
And to the public for which? 00:01:15
One of the nation under God and indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:01:18
Great. Thank you so much. 00:01:24
All right, we are going to have a slight modification to the agenda. 00:01:29
Before moving on to item number 2, which is our stormwater training. 00:01:33
We will first have a business item 5.6, which is the public hearing for the Utah City zoning text amendment. 00:01:38
Unless there are any objections. 00:01:47
Hearing none, let's just go ahead and do that and then we'll continue on in the agenda as has been published. 00:01:50
So we'll start with staff. 00:01:56
And cash. 00:01:59
Great. 00:02:01
This should be loading here. We do have a brief presentation by the applicant, Bronson Tatten with Flagborough. 00:02:02
In brief summary, they've this is an applicant initiated zoning test amendment text amendment. 00:02:07
And we can just go through the presentation and you can kind of see the updated language of what they're proposing. 00:02:13
And we asked them to kind of show what the outcome of the zoning text amendment will be. So if you do recommend approval when it 00:02:18
goes through through City Council. 00:02:21
What are the kind of changes that could be implemented throughout the Utah City development so. 00:02:25
I'll let Bronson. 00:02:29
Run away with the presentation here. 00:02:31
OK. So the way I kind of laid this out is these are kind of the four different items that we're looking to amend. 00:02:40
In the form based code for. 00:02:46
The downtown. 00:02:49
And so we'll kind of just talk about what's changing. 00:02:50
And I think so after this cash will show exactly the changes. This is kind of. 00:02:54
Just a summary and then I'll show like an application of how we're planning on. 00:03:01
Using that. 00:03:07
That amendment, so go ahead to the next one. 00:03:08
So in the use table, we're adding in a commercial outdoor recreational use. 00:03:12
And we're removing that use from the prohibited list. 00:03:17
And so if you go to the next one, what we're. 00:03:21
A lot of you already know about the Wellness Center and the resort pool. 00:03:24
So in the code this just. 00:03:28
Allows this to happen. 00:03:29
This is the current layout that we're now in for site plan review. 00:03:32
Site plan amendment. 00:03:38
In a separate application. 00:03:40
Some of the pool shapes have changed. 00:03:42
They're reflecting more of the architectural style of the building. 00:03:45
And then the other area that we're looking that is also submitted for a site plan. 00:03:50
Application is this Utah City Racquet Club so if you go to the next one cash. 00:03:55
It's basically a pickle ball. 00:04:00
With. 00:04:02
A basketball court and then those three courts going north-south. 00:04:03
Our pedal courts. 00:04:09
And if you don't know about Fidel yet. 00:04:11
Search Padell PADEL. 00:04:13
And it's like an up and coming sport that looks super fun. 00:04:17
And then one thing that this site plan that we're making a change is there will be also two tennis courts in this area. 00:04:20
So that's kind of the application of how we are, why we're asking to amend the code to allow for commercial outdoor recreational 00:04:28
use. 00:04:32
And then the flexible building. 00:04:38
What we're looking to do is have a little bit of flexibility on the building types in the code. 00:04:41
Some as we've been planning some of these areas out and some of our. 00:04:47
Our district energy. 00:04:51
Infrastructure. We need to use some shipping containers like modular buildings. 00:04:54
To house some boiler systems and things for the district energy. 00:05:01
And then in the pickleball court area, we're going to do some restrooms out of a shipping container. 00:05:05
Umm, this is kind of what some of those will look like. 00:05:12
The amendment in the code will just allow us to have a little bit of flexibility on building type. These will come in. Some of 00:05:16
them are. These are all temporary and will eventually come out. 00:05:20
When the property develops to its. 00:05:25
Its future use, which you know will be more urban. 00:05:28
Dense construction. 00:05:32
And then in the lake Promenade uses. 00:05:35
We're just making. 00:05:39
We're adding a use table in the. 00:05:40
The Lake promenade. There is already a table of kind of what their requirements are of the Lake promenade. 00:05:44
And we're adding a couple of uses in there which. 00:05:48
Allows us to do the Wellness and resort pool. 00:05:51
Function. 00:05:56
And this is the block four of the. 00:05:58
The promenade is now called the Green Line. 00:06:00
The promenade is like an open space type and the name of that open space type is the green line. 00:06:04
And inside that this. 00:06:10
Kind of the white buildings in the middle. 00:06:12
We're going to bring a restaurant into that larger building. In the middle will be a restaurant and then the. 00:06:14
Five buildings on the north, the smaller buildings and the five buildings on the South. 00:06:20
Will be little retail shops like this? 00:06:24
And so we felt like it was necessary to amend the code to allow for retail to happen. 00:06:27
Inside of the. 00:06:33
The green Line. 00:06:35
And the restaurant as well. 00:06:36
And then finally, our last one is a sign type amendment. 00:06:38
There was. 00:06:43
An existing sign type which is a corner sign which allowed for a vertical sign on the corner of a building. 00:06:44
And we are proposing to kind of take that same idea, but move it into the middle of the building. So instead of a corner sign 00:06:50
type, it's gonna it'll be a blade sign. 00:06:55
So in the table you'll see corner blade. 00:07:00
And we feel like that will help accommodate this. 00:07:03
This sign style. 00:07:05
So this is the blade sign that we're proposing on the. 00:07:07
Building that's closest to completion. It's called 120 Bend. 00:07:11
And this is a sign that we're proposing to put on the north side of the building, like along the Green Line. 00:07:15
And if you go to the next one cache this is. 00:07:21
How it looks on the building. 00:07:24
So those are the. 00:07:26
Summary of the amendments and how we plan to apply them and then cash, I guess you can kind of go through. 00:07:27
More in detail exactly how the code changes to accommodate that. 00:07:33
Just let me know if you have any questions, I can come back up. 00:07:37
Thanks. 00:07:39
We'll have Cash finish explaining how the ordinance would amend the code based off the request here. 00:07:41
And then? 00:07:48
Will have any questions for staff or the applicant. So, yeah, so I've displayed up here just the use table as Bronson was talking 00:07:49
about here. So we've added commercial, commercial outdoor recreation. 00:07:55
We have a conditional in the downtown station and then permitted. 00:08:01
In downtown, mixed-use Ville General lakefront commercial and not permitted in lakefront residential. 00:08:04
We did also add flexible commercial modules. 00:08:09
As conditional across the board there. 00:08:12
And then you can see here we struck out the. 00:08:14
Commercial after recreation from the prohibited list. 00:08:17
Down here, this is where we get into kind of the design criteria of the flexible commercial modules. It's kind of a unique use. 00:08:21
We didn't feel that it was quite an accessory structure, and so we wanted to draft up its own kind of language. 00:08:28
So, you know, we have them as it's designed to support temporary, long-term or pop-up commercial uses, including retail. 00:08:34
Foodservice or cultural programming? 00:08:42
They can be located in any of those areas that I mentioned, as well as open space, open spaces, urban plazas, courtyards, parks. 00:08:45
Or partials that are undeveloped or waiting to be constructed. 00:08:53
And then the third section is we do have kind of design criteria that we want to make sure that these don't necessarily look like 00:08:57
just shipping containers. We want to make sure that they're they're elevated and they fit within the built environment. And as you 00:09:02
saw from from the images Bronson displayed, that's what they're proposing to do. 00:09:08
Further down, this is the use table for the promenade itself and you'll see. 00:09:16
We have some uses here. We have the aquatic facility, ancillary commercial and the flexible commercial modules. 00:09:20
As a conditional use, Sorry, the flexible commercial modules is conditional use. The other two are permitted. 00:09:27
Same thing in plazas. We added the the use table there for those flexible commercial modules. 00:09:36
As commercial use. 00:09:43
And then? 00:09:45
The sine this is the last edit right here. 00:09:46
You can see it says corner slash blade. 00:09:50
We have a maximum of 40 feet. 00:09:52
And a sign area of 45 square feet. 00:09:55
One thing I do want to recommend that we do add into the language of that sign type as you saw from that image. 00:09:59
That that Bronson displayed that we. 00:10:07
That they're kind of wrapping the base of the pole with brick, so it appears as it's like attached to the building. 00:10:09
And so we did want to add in that that condition that the all blade signs. 00:10:15
The base of them are wrapped to. 00:10:20
Sorry, I have the language right here. They must be wrapped to appear connected to the adjacent building facade. 00:10:22
Yeah. And cash maybe just on that. 00:10:32
I think we're OK with that if in the case where some of the blade signs may not be connected to the ground like this one is. 00:10:34
If we can just attach it to the building. 00:10:40
That would. That would be normally our preferred way if there's like a pole base to the blade sign. 00:10:43
That would be wrapped. 00:10:48
Wonderful. 00:10:51
That's all that I have. 00:10:52
OK, great. Thank you. 00:10:54
Commission members, first, are there any questions for either cash or for the applicant? 00:10:57
No. 00:11:05
Seeing none. OK. I have a few questions primarily for cash, SO. 00:11:07
Get ready. OK, So first, could you provide a little background information on why the outdoor rec area use was prohibited in the 00:11:12
1st place? Do you recall why that was a consideration? I might ask Morgan, that was before my time here. I don't know if he 00:11:18
remembers that. So. 00:11:24
So the code has been modified several times times the. 00:11:32
I this is probably our since I've been here nine years, it's like our twelve time many design. It always gets gets tweaked. 00:11:37
But just generally kind of what we've looked at with the sign code is trying to correct. 00:11:46
Oh, I'm sorry. OK, I don't. 00:11:53
I apologize, I'm reading through. 00:11:55
The next report. OK, good. 00:11:57
So during the during the downtown discussion. 00:11:59
We really just looked at kind of the uses that that we felt would be the most appropriate. 00:12:03
The algo recreation there. 00:12:08
And now there wasn't like a really in-depth discussion about it, but it was you potentially could get things that. 00:12:11
Would take up land that is going to be kind of your prime retail land that we want from an economic development standpoint to help 00:12:16
drive. 00:12:20
Kind of our future sales tax. 00:12:25
And so there there there's concerns about just having. 00:12:27
Really large uses that brought in fairly little bit of tax value. 00:12:30
And well, one of those at the time, we were talking about a large soccer complex that would be the outdoor. It wasn't with the 00:12:35
developer, but there was things like that that were coming into the city. 00:12:40
That that could potentially gobble up like 10 to 20 acres of land. And so there there was definitely some fear that we would take 00:12:45
up our prime like sales tax generating area with really large commercial outdoor recruit. 00:12:52
So but what what's what's been proposed? It actually makes makes a lot of sense. 00:12:59
OK, thank you. That was exactly what I assumed as well. 00:13:04
I just wanted to confirm it the uses proposed tonight. It really does mix well with. 00:13:07
Retail and commercial oriented. 00:13:13
Business and development. 00:13:16
Yeah. We saw that it was a commercial use, but it also provided kind of an amenity for the residents, everything in there as well. 00:13:17
So I think having it in that specific district is perfectly appropriate. 00:13:21
Second, regarding the flexible commercial nodes. 00:13:26
Current code does not outright prohibit. 00:13:30
Said, uh. 00:13:34
Flexible commercial nodes. 00:13:35
Is the purpose behind the ordinance just to explicitly allow it? 00:13:37
When, as it is currently stated, it's just assumed. 00:13:41
Yeah, our, our zoning code does prohibit the use of shipping containers to be used as like storage and stuff like that. And so we 00:13:46
just wanted to make sure that it was, you know, there's no Gray area. 00:13:50
Those very black and white that we are going to allow these as this very specific type of use. Wonderful. OK, Thank you. 00:13:55
I have seen those done. 00:14:03
Very well, one of the developments that comes to mind is the Churchill, which is in Phoenix. 00:14:05
Which uses kind of that rustic architecture. Look for a very cool. 00:14:11
Dare I say hip? 00:14:17
Commercial space. 00:14:19
And so I think that. 00:14:21
Complements the other architecture that we see proposed in that district. If we were to plant it right next to, say, a house in 00:14:23
Parkside, it wouldn't stand out. 00:14:27
It would stand out too much. It would not be appropriate. But because this is part of a more dense, more Urban Development as a 00:14:33
whole, I think it fits really well. Yeah. And, and the city is supportive of that because essentially it'll allow a lower barrier 00:14:39
to entry to get more retail in the area sooner. They're not having to build a bunch of brick and mortar stores. They can bring 00:14:45
these in, have some pop up stores that will generate some sales tax revenue for the city and provide. 00:14:51
More retail opportunities for residents. So we're supportive of that too. Excellent. Great. 00:14:57
Then lastly. 00:15:02
When it comes to the amendment to the sign section. 00:15:04
We're just formalizing that. We're considering blade signs, corner signs. 00:15:08
Because again, there isn't anything in it right now that prohibits nor allows blade signs so. 00:15:13
We just thought we'd formalize it along with the condition that yeah, post we won't be specific that we weren't going to allow say 00:15:18
like a poll sign in the downtown. We didn't feel like that was a fitting setting for the for the downtown or a fitting. 00:15:23
Sign type for the downtown. So we want to be very specific that this is. 00:15:29
Very similar to that corner type sign, you know. 00:15:33
And so that's where we felt it fit best. I agree. I think that's very appropriate. 00:15:36
OK. 00:15:42
If there's not more discussion, I'd like to open the public hearing. 00:15:43
All right. And so public hearing has officially opened. Any members of the public who have any comments or questions? 00:15:47
Please feel free to do so right now. 00:15:55
Hi, David Larae. 00:16:11
Hey I wanted to ask a couple of questions about the use of shipping containers. 00:16:13
I used to, not a fan of trash chic but I guess some people are. 00:16:19
Have been visited fits I guess if you think it does, but I'm wondering we've talked about. 00:16:23
They be used as temporary structures for things like restrooms and things like that. 00:16:28
What's the guarantee that those will not be replaced at some point with a more? 00:16:33
Permanent appropriate structure. 00:16:37
One question. 00:16:40
Also. 00:16:41
You wanted to bring him in for easy use for pop up businesses. 00:16:44
What's to stop them from being used for pop up tiny houses? 00:16:48
And things like that. Someone buys a chunk of land and. 00:16:52
And props a shipping container on it and makes a little house out of it. 00:16:55
Can we? Is that also allowed or is that prohibited? 00:16:59
I need to figure that out. 00:17:04
So, and also if we are going to use these things as temporary things, I. 00:17:06
I wonder, well, first of all, what's the guarantee they that they'll be replaced? 00:17:10
At some point. 00:17:15
And with what? And what were the time frame and that be? 00:17:16
So we would, you know, we need to know that if we're going to be permanent, let's just say they're permanent. 00:17:19
If there are not to be permanent, let's talk about. 00:17:23
What you know the schedule for getting them replaced and made? 00:17:26
Maybe better with so many permanent. 00:17:30
Also, I know there was also a talk about. 00:17:32
A tennis court on the block with the pickleball. 00:17:35
Club I didn't see the. 00:17:39
I didn't see a task core on there anywhere. 00:17:40
But maybe they could point that out. 00:17:43
When they come down to other questions. 00:17:44
I think that's it for now. 00:17:48
Thanks again. Thank you, David. 00:17:51
OK. We'll continue the rest of the public hearing and then when we close the public hearing, we'll address those. 00:17:53
Questions. Are there any other comments? 00:17:59
Jane Pierce. 00:18:08
I also do have a question with those flexible buildings. 00:18:09
What what percentage of the land is going to be used for flexible building these flexible buildings and. 00:18:13
What percentage? 00:18:21
On that set area are going to be. 00:18:22
Built originally. 00:18:24
Permanent and how much is going to be used for this flexible buildings? 00:18:26
OK. 00:18:32
Thank you. 00:18:34
OK, so I remember the other question. 00:18:39
So how my question was about the sales tax income? 00:18:41
The idea of not allowing these kinds of things initially that the. 00:18:45
The commercial area. 00:18:50
And I suppose there's temporary things as well. Was it it would impede? 00:18:51
The development of some. 00:18:55
Significant sales tax income, which our city desperately needs. 00:18:57
And so far, we're already developing lots and lots of residential uses here. 00:19:01
But we're not and and we have the hospital coming, which is wonderful. 00:19:06
But we don't have a lot. 00:19:09
Of sales tax generating facilities here. 00:19:11
What's? 00:19:16
What's the plan for that? 00:19:18
If we're using these things. 00:19:19
For temporary basis, what's the plan to replace them with a permanent? 00:19:21
Sales tax generating facility. 00:19:25
Thanks. 00:19:27
Thank you. 00:19:27
Great. 00:19:31
Are there any other comments or questions? 00:19:33
All right, hearing none, we will close the public hearing. 00:19:38
I'm going to rely on staff for some of these, but first. 00:19:43
I'd just like to make a couple comments. 00:19:47
So first, when it comes to the temporary structure. 00:19:50
Do we know? 00:19:54
What the process will look like? It looks like this code. 00:19:55
Is simply allowing it as a conditional use. 00:19:59
So some of these questions that were raised tonight is part of that conditional process. 00:20:02
Who would that ultimately be going to? 00:20:08
If they need to apply for a conditional use permit, does that go before this body, the council or the staff? It'd be a Planning 00:20:11
Commission. 00:20:14
Wonderful item. 00:20:18
OK. 00:20:19
At that, sorry, to add on to that, would be a site plan, they'd submit a site plan with a conditional use, yes. And so a lot of 00:20:20
the questions about is this a temporary use or a temporary structure, Is it going to be food, retail or residents? Any of those 00:20:26
would be considered during that conditional use permit application period and it would really be on a case by case basis rather 00:20:32
than right now outright. 00:20:38
Approving anything or nothing. 00:20:45
So it's just allowing them to submit an application for conditional use in the future. 00:20:47
I get the concern about what's stopping it from being residences. 00:20:55
Again, that would be addressed in the conditional use. I tell you the name of it is Flexible Commercial module. Exactly. 00:21:02
Yeah, We could add on a provision if the Planning Commission recommends of saying like no housing may be permitted in the flexible 00:21:08
commercial modules. I don't imagine the applicants planning on doing this so. 00:21:13
If that's something that. 00:21:18
People want to do, we can add that in necessary. 00:21:19
Yeah, I personally don't see the need for that. I do. 00:21:22
I'm very familiar with how these developments typically go. 00:21:28
And, umm. 00:21:31
The temporary uses in there allow what I have found at least. 00:21:33
Chefs that are in a startup business and maybe can't quite afford a truck or can't afford a brick and mortar space, this is a 00:21:38
great way for them to get into the game, really start and test their product out. 00:21:45
It's a fantastic incubator of sorts on a retail. 00:21:52
Or food realm. 00:21:55
So understood. 00:21:58
So what's to guarantee the temporary structure won't be replaced with a permanent structure that again would be addressed during 00:22:01
the conditional use permit period where we understand if these are in for just a certain period of time or an extended long period 00:22:06
of time case by case basis? 00:22:11
Can these be used as pop-up residents as we address time frame on when they will be up and for how long we just addressed? 00:22:16
The tennis court, I believe is being addressed with the paddled court. That or Paddell. Paddell, yeah, that'll be site plan maybe 00:22:22
in two weeks. It depends on essentially the approval from or the recommendation tonight in City Council. 00:22:29
They'll then come back through with site plan that will actually show where the tennis court is and. 00:22:36
And all those changes, they just wanted to give you an idea of what it could look like. There will still be a racket based, 00:22:40
correct? 00:22:43
Sport venue. OK, wonderful. 00:22:46
And would this impede sales tax at all? I believe that the whole purpose of this is to generate more commercial activity, which 00:22:49
would lead to more sales tax. 00:22:54
What percentage of land would be used as flexible? 00:23:00
But these kind of shipping container structures compared to traditional brick and mortar or more permanent buildings, again, I 00:23:04
think that is something to be considered at the time of each conditional use permit. So I would, I don't necessarily want to 00:23:09
propose a cap. 00:23:15
But I think it is worth. 00:23:22
Making that a part of the conditional use permit application. 00:23:26
To kind of show the ratio so it doesn't become overwhelming. 00:23:29
Do you feel that that is fair? 00:23:35
OK. 00:23:38
OK. Before we open it up for any motion or vote, do any of you have any comments or questions? 00:23:41
OK this. 00:23:50
The requested motion was to recommend either approval or denial. 00:23:54
To the City Council, who ultimately has the final vote on this. 00:23:58
Do we have a motion? 00:24:02
And I would. 00:24:05
Remind that if someone's making a motion to recommend approval that they would add the condition that we discussed that the blade 00:24:06
sign should be wrapped to appear connected. 00:24:10
To the adjacent building facade or connect it to the building itself. 00:24:14
So is there a motion? 00:24:19
Yeah, is it this one 2025 dash? 00:24:22
OK, I move to recommend approval of Ordinance 2025-4. 00:24:25
With the amendment. 00:24:30
With the signs that if. 00:24:32
There if it's connected to the ground that it be appear wrapped and connected to the building or it be. 00:24:34
Connected to the building. 00:24:40
To the City Council. 00:24:42
Great. Is there a second? 00:24:43
OK, all in favor. 00:24:46
Aye. 00:24:48
Any post? 00:24:49
None. OK. Thank you. 00:24:51
OK, we are now returning to our agenda as originally published, starting with Item 2, which is a presentation. 00:24:56
For an eagerly. 00:25:05
Anticipated stormwater training. 00:25:06
And so I will pass the time on to staff. 00:25:10
Testing. 00:25:21
Testing, umm. 00:25:22
You can hear me. 00:25:28
OK. 00:25:30
Hey, I'm Justine Marshall. I'm Vineyard City's MS-4 coordinator and floodplain manager. 00:25:40
So we're going to learn about stormwater tonight. 00:25:46
So big picture. 00:25:50
Vineyard storm drains empty to Utah Lake and are approximately to Utah Lake. 00:25:52
Makes it a big focal point. 00:25:58
On storm water runoff management. 00:26:00
Utah Lake is already on the Utah Division Water Qualities 303 list, which is a list of. 00:26:04
Water quality is in the state of Utah and their condition. 00:26:12
So Utah Lake is already impaired for nutrients like phosphorus and nitrogen. 00:26:16
And then? 00:26:21
A harmful algal bloom outbreaks that we see. 00:26:23
So. 00:26:26
I'm hoping after this storm water training you guys will have a better understanding on. 00:26:27
How your long term and current planning decisions has an impact on stormwater quality? 00:26:32
Should I just like talk later? 00:26:38
OK, will you run my? 00:26:42
All right, progress. 00:26:50
So I introduced myself. Justine Marshall, Certified Floodplain Manager. 00:26:54
Next slide. 00:26:58
So why are we here? So we have an MS-4 permit. 00:27:02
For Vineyard City, that requires us to manage our stormwater runoff to make sure that the stormwater going into Utah Lake. 00:27:05
Is the highest quality reducing pollutant load in that runoff? 00:27:12
So that requires we do an annual training of all stormwater relevant staff and then we train all new hires within 60 days. 00:27:18
And you guys are like, wait, what? I'm not staff. 00:27:26
Well, Utah State law actually treats appointed officials as stormwater relevant employees for the city. 00:27:28
When development decisions are on the agenda. 00:27:35
Next slide. 00:27:38
So we're just going to do a crash course on what this MS-4 permit is. 00:27:40
We're going to go over the Clean Water Authority, which created the permit program. 00:27:44
We're going to go over the goals of our MS-4 program and then which includes 6 minimum control measures. 00:27:49
And then we'll go over like the reporting clock, like. 00:27:55
We have these deadlines to hit. When are those? 00:27:58
So the. 00:28:01
Clean Water Act. 00:28:03
Designated the Utah Division of Water Quality to oversee. 00:28:06
Their national pollutant elimination. 00:28:09
Discharge system permit. 00:28:13
And then the state of Utah. 00:28:15
Gives authorization, so there's large miss floors and small miss floors. 00:28:18
So any once you reach 10,000 people population you qualify for that. 00:28:22
Small MS-4 program permit. 00:28:28
And then once your population reaches 100,000 people then you're considered a large miss sport and you have more permit 00:28:30
requirements. 00:28:33
Fingers crossed Vineyard will never reach 100,000 people so we'll always be in that small Missouri permit world. 00:28:37
So the goal, so MS-4 stands for multiple stormwater sewer system. So it's M and then 4S S. 00:28:43
And then the goal is to reduce the pollutants to the maximum extent practical. So like. 00:28:52
We might have someone come in and be like, oh, we don't want any pollution going into Utah Lake. Well, is that actually practical, 00:28:58
as economically feasible as even achievable? 00:29:02
Likely not. So we have this permit that guides us on like what is actually achievable. 00:29:06
And that includes the six minimum control measures. 00:29:12
And then we have to submit an annual report every October 1st saying like what we did this year. 00:29:15
We have to evaluate our program. 00:29:21
Next slide. 00:29:23
So big picture, we're managing stormwater runoff so that what's going into Utah Lake is free of pollutants, especially that 00:29:26
phosphorus, nitrogen. 00:29:30
And anything that contributes to the toxic algal blooms. 00:29:34
And we have to the pollutants we focus on have to like. 00:29:38
We have to take in. 00:29:42
To account those current impairments when we draft this document called the Storm Water Management Plan. 00:29:43
And. 00:29:49
So, and we're legally on the hook for this permit. 00:29:51
If we don't follow the permit, the state's going to come in and be like, OK, we're going to manage it. You guys aren't doing a 00:29:54
good job. 00:29:57
They'll slap us with some fines. 00:29:59
I used to work for the Division of Water Quality. We're actually wrote those notice of violations. 00:30:01
Settled with cities on penalties. 00:30:06
So we don't want that. We want to. 00:30:09
Take our permit. We want to follow it. We want to show we're a good stewards to the state. 00:30:11
Next slide. 00:30:15
So what are these six women control measures that Vineyard City needs to do to be in compliance with their permit? 00:30:17
So the first one is we have to conduct public education outreach. 00:30:22
So we had an Earth Day event in April where we planted 3000. 00:30:26
Seedlings on Utah Lake. 00:30:30
We did a trash cleanup. Any event like that where you're engaging with the public, you're teaching them about stormwater runoff, 00:30:32
you're you're basically saying, hey, we only want rain in our storm drains. 00:30:38
Like pick up your trash. 00:30:43
Don't put your grass clippings in the gutters. 00:30:45
And then so the next one is public engagement and involvement, which is where you guys come in like you guys have public hearings. 00:30:48
We also have to do similar public engagement and involvement. 00:30:54
Where anytime we want to update our miss for stormwater ordinances, we have to. 00:30:57
Get the public's input on that. Have a public hearing, go to City Council, Get your guys's approval. 00:31:03
The next one is. 00:31:08
Illicit discharge and detection. So anything that isn't storm water that goes into our MS-4 system or into Utah Lake. 00:31:10
Is considered. 00:31:18
A discharge, so like sediment. 00:31:20
Oil. 00:31:22
Things like that. 00:31:24
So we have to, anytime there's like an illicit discharge complaint, we have to investigate that. 00:31:26
And then we have to document our follow up actions. And then we have to keep track on a map. 00:31:32
OK. Where are these things happening? Is there like a high priority area that we need to focus on? Is there a source of the 00:31:36
solicit discharge? 00:31:39
And then every year we have to evaluate how effective our program is at identifying. 00:31:42
As anyone hooked up to our sanitary sewer or stormwater sewer illegally. 00:31:47
And then #4 is construction. So like we're building vineyard. 00:31:51
So some of the common constructions, stormwater violations we see is sediment tracking off site. 00:31:55
The the dust control and it gets really windy. 00:32:01
We see a lot of like. 00:32:04
Concrete washout, it gets that capacity. 00:32:06
Contractors are busy. So then. 00:32:10
There's like overfills, dumping. 00:32:12
Concrete washout. 00:32:15
And when concrete is dry, it's not a problem. It's when it's in that slurry wet form. It has a pH of 12 to 14. 00:32:16
If that gets into our storm drains, we have to spend money. 00:32:22
Time, resources, cleaning those out. If it gets in Utah Lake, it could cause a fish kill. We could get in trouble at the state. 00:32:25
So then we move on to minimum control measure 5. That's long term stormwater management. 00:32:31
So the state has this requirement. 00:32:35
Where we have to retain the first. 00:32:37
Like flush of a storm for every half half inch rain event. 00:32:40
We have to keep that rain on site. 00:32:44
So we use a lot of like low impact development. 00:32:46
Bioswells detention basins to channel that storm water falling on this parcel. 00:32:50
So that it takes like 24 hours to 72 hours to like, infiltrate into the ground. 00:32:55
Any storm larger than. 00:33:00
Half inch in precipitation like that's fine, that can run off like we only have to manage. 00:33:01
The half inch storm of the envelope. 00:33:07
And then the last minimum control measure is pollution prevention and Good Housekeeping. 00:33:09
So like any city owned facility like a park or public works facility. 00:33:13
We have to have a stormwater management pollution prevention plan for that. 00:33:17
To be like, hey, we have chemicals on site, how are we going to make sure those chemicals are managed? 00:33:20
In a way that they're not going to like, spill, get into our storm drain. 00:33:24
So that's kind of an overview of the minimum control measures. 00:33:27
Next slide. 00:33:31
OK, so. 00:33:32
How do you guys get involved so with the development review? 00:33:34
There's like some hot buttons. 00:33:37
So there's this LAD retention standard. 00:33:39
Typical contractor thinking from like back in the day when we didn't manage storm water is like get that storm water away from the 00:33:41
site as quickly as possible. Use curbing, gutter. 00:33:46
Pipe it away. 00:33:50
And that's changed. It started in the 1990s, changing like, hey, we want to retain this on site so that we can let like natural 00:33:51
systems clean up those pollutants. 00:33:56
So it's kind of like a lot of education of like, hey. 00:34:00
These standards are changing, These regulations are changing. We know you guys are used to doing things this way, however. 00:34:04
It's going to have all the higher investment of resources and costs to meet these standards and trying to like. 00:34:10
Get people to understand why it's important and like. 00:34:16
What the repercussions are for us if we don't do this? 00:34:18
So like whenever we get. 00:34:21
See, someone wants to come in a vineyard and build something, they're going to submit like a construction plan. With that 00:34:23
construction plan, they also have to submit like a drainage plan. 00:34:27
Showing the flow of water. 00:34:30
And then they have to do the calculation of what is the 8th percentile. 00:34:32
Like retention volume for this site, so a larger parcel with a lot more concrete. 00:34:36
You're going to need like a larger detention basin versus if it's like a small residential house with like grass. 00:34:42
And then like conditional use permits. 00:34:48
So that's just like. 00:34:51
What happens if there's like non compliance or enforcement? 00:34:53
And then long term stormwater tracking. So say this developer comes in, he's awesome. 00:34:56
He does his calculations correctly. We're like, yeah, you're good to go. He puts in this detention basin. 00:35:01
That detention basin. 00:35:06
Is tied to that property. So say he sells that property, someone takes over that property that's attention based and has 00:35:08
maintenance requirements. So they have to submit an biannual inspection to the city every year. And if they're not doing it, it's 00:35:12
our responsibility that either get them to do it or we go out there and do those inspections ourselves, which takes staff time and 00:35:17
resources. 00:35:21
Next slide. And we have to keep track of those records too. 00:35:27
So your role is just like whenever someone's coming to you with an idea. 00:35:31
Just like having the back of your head, like how is this going to increase? 00:35:36
Impervious cover in the city because anytime you're laying down like roads, asphalt, buildings, roofs. 00:35:40
You're going to increase. 00:35:45
The so like if you have grass or dirt, storm water like infiltrates into that. If you cover it up, it can't do that. So where's it 00:35:47
going to go? 00:35:50
So your role is just to keep in mind like. 00:35:54
OK. The more we increase the impervious surfaces in Vineyard? 00:35:56
The more stormwater management we're going to need, and that takes space. 00:35:59
You can do it underground, there's lots of different options, but just like. 00:36:03
Every time we like, cover the ground with something storm water can't get in, we need to like. 00:36:07
Get it somewhere and we have to maintain these like requirements of our permit. 00:36:11
And then like if you ever like are out and you see something. 00:36:14
Just know like, hey, if I think this is a listed discharge, I think I should probably tell somebody because it's our job to track 00:36:17
that. So you just give us a call. 00:36:21
Next slide. 00:36:25
A big, huge amount of our time because Vineyard is. 00:36:29
Actively building into an awesome new city. 00:36:32
Is construction site. 00:36:34
So you submit a plan. You want to build this, you have a great idea. We're like, yeah, we love it. 00:36:36
So what our contractors have to do is they. 00:36:43
If the site disturbs an acre. 00:36:46
Or more of ground. They have to apply to the state the division of water quality to get what is called an NLI. 00:36:48
And then so that's the general construction plan. The CPP is like if they're going to build a subdivision and parcel it out and it 00:36:54
disturbs an acre greater. 00:36:58
And that permit has a few less storm water requirements because you're disturbing less area. 00:37:01
So on their site they have to have these sediment erosion. 00:37:06
Control BMP's to prohibit. 00:37:10
Sediment from coming off site. 00:37:12
And if sediment is coming off site then they need to figure out like hey why my BMP is not working. 00:37:13
And then so. 00:37:18
As you. 00:37:20
Construct something you want to phase it out because you. 00:37:21
So you want to build. 00:37:24
You want to disturb an acre? 00:37:25
But you're only gonna disturb this part here, this part here, this part here. So you want to phase it so you're not disturbing the 00:37:27
entire acre all at once, because if soil is exposed, then it's gonna erode off the site. 00:37:33
It's going to become like a. 00:37:38
Dust control and sediment is the number one stormwater pollutant, so you want to keep that sediment on site. 00:37:40
So if you're not doing that. 00:37:46
Have an enforcement ladder. 00:37:48
Where you would give you a verbal warning. 00:37:49
If it's not corrected within a certain time frame. 00:37:51
Then we're going to escalate it to a written notice with a deadline. 00:37:54
And then after that it requires an additional written notice. 00:37:57
And then at that point we can start looking at like notice of violation, stop work orders. 00:38:00
And the state just changed where if we issue a citation that has penalties. 00:38:04
Those penalties can't go into our general fund. 00:38:10
They have to go into a special fund. 00:38:12
That's going to be spent on minimum control measure #1 public education outreach. 00:38:15
So those funds have to stay separate. 00:38:20
Next slide. 00:38:23
So vineyards this. 00:38:24
Vineyard City specific priorities. 00:38:26
We really want to keep in mind like, hey, what is Utah Lake impaired for? Those are the pollutants we really want to focus on. 00:38:28
Like mitigating and reducing in our stormwater runoff. 00:38:35
We're growing crazy fast, which is amazing. 00:38:39
So we want to keep in mind like. 00:38:42
Mixed-use development. 00:38:46
Where we can reduce those impervious St. sections. 00:38:47
We can have the tree canopies, which is amazing because vineyards a tree city. 00:38:51
Anything that we can do as we do this, like development where we can bring in those stormwater related controls. 00:38:54
Because. 00:39:00
That's going to reduce the heat island effect, a lot of these lid practices. 00:39:01
Include green infrastructure that's going to keep our stages cool. 00:39:05
And then we also have an amazing trail and park integration. So just like. 00:39:09
Keeping that going is. 00:39:13
Really. Umm. 00:39:15
Really, really important. 00:39:16
Especially for stormwater goals. 00:39:18
Next slide. 00:39:20
This is just like kind of what we do all year, every month, but November, it's like dedicated to something. 00:39:21
So for the public education outreach, I typically try to do quarterly events for the public. 00:39:27
We have this Mary annual report in October. We have to do an annual update of our store water management plan. 00:39:33
Umm. So yeah, it's just some of the things we do next. 00:39:40
Slide. 00:39:42
And then these are some resources that I use every day if you guys are interested in kicking out about storm water. 00:39:44
There's some great EPA and DWQ resources. 00:39:49
There's the Utah Low Impact Development Manual. I was. 00:39:53
**** always refer contractors to because like we can't tell contractors how to do things like can't be like, oh, build it this way 00:39:56
because if they build it that way and it fails. 00:40:00
Then we're setting ourselves up to take on the liability of like. 00:40:04
So say we told the contractor to. 00:40:08
Do their construction site BMP's this way it failed. 00:40:10
The state came. They're like, hey, you did a discharge to Utah Lake. Like who's gonna clean this up? We could potentially be on 00:40:13
the hook for that because we're the ones who told the contractors to do it that way. 00:40:17
So we. 00:40:22
We have to give the contractors a lot of freedom to like meet their permit requirements the way that best suits them. 00:40:23
But also offering guidance like, hey. 00:40:28
You did this but it's not working or you did this and it's working great like like. 00:40:30
Tell me how you did this. I can educate other contractors. So it's really about a partnership. 00:40:35
Of like learning from each other. 00:40:39
And then we also have our Vineyard city municipal code that. 00:40:41
It goes over all the enforcement. 00:40:45
And then we also do a lot of work with the APWA Utah stormwater and we're a member of. 00:40:47
There's the state Stormwater Coalition and there's the Utah County Coalition. So we go to those meetings and they do a lot of 00:40:52
outreach for us, too. 00:40:56
And that's it. 00:41:02
Thank you. 00:41:03
Do you guys have any questions? 00:41:04
Thank you so much. 00:41:08
I don't have any questions unless anyone else does. Great energy, great delivery. Thank you. I love your enthusiasm for 00:41:09
stormwater. That's great. 00:41:12
Thank you. Thank you. 00:41:17
OK. All right. 00:41:18
We're moving on to item number 3. 00:41:21
I know we've already had a fun filled agenda, but there's still plenty to go. 00:41:25
Are there any? 00:41:29
Comments from the public for items not on the agenda. 00:41:30
All right, seeing none, we'll move on from item 3 to #4. 00:41:36
Which is our consent calendar, which just includes the approval of the March 16th Planning Commission meeting minutes. 00:41:40
Do we have a motion and 2nd to approve the? 00:41:47
Meeting minutes. 00:41:51
I'll make a motion to approve the minute. 00:41:52
Wonderful. Do we have a second? 00:41:55
I'll second. 00:41:57
Alright, all in favor. 00:41:59
Aye, any opposed? 00:42:00
Passes unanimously. 00:42:02
We'll now move on to. 00:42:04
The rest of our business items. 00:42:06
With item 5.3 which is Lot 6 site plan application. 00:42:08
Well, first year from staff and then an applicant. 00:42:15
Yeah, great. 00:42:17
So this is for East Lake Lot 6 site plan. It's at 151 E 1750 N. 00:42:18
I have a context map here. 00:42:24
Kind of show you this is a site directly South of the power plant. 00:42:27
1750 will run right through it or to the South edge of it and then the Linden Heritage Trail actually. 00:42:31
On the north side of it. 00:42:38
Here is the proposed site. 00:42:41
You can see it's a concrete tilt up building. 00:42:43
Divided with these two parking lots, they've provided adequate parking to meet our needs. 00:42:46
They are planning a 3000 square foot office space. I don't believe they have a. 00:42:52
Intended user yet, but they've had no problem filling their buildings yet it looks like. 00:42:56
Oh, they do great. 00:43:01
So, uh. 00:43:03
It's pretty traditional building to what you see up there already. Here's landscaping as you can see along that 1750 edge. 00:43:04
They have plenty of landscaping that that meets our requirements there. 00:43:13
Or onto these elevations real quick and then I'll kind of get into the details of things that we had some maybe some questions 00:43:18
about the applicant can address. 00:43:21
You can see this is the east elevation. 00:43:25
They have a metal canopy with an entrance door. This would service like that office side of the building. 00:43:27
And then this is the West elevation where they're going to have more of their truck deliveries. 00:43:33
The north elevation, this would be facing that parking lot and so you can see they have an employee entrance right there with 00:43:38
another canopy. 00:43:42
And then here's the South elevation. So this is what would face. 00:43:46
1750. 00:43:50
Here's some materials that they plan on using. So they have some bike racks. They have those metal canopies as you can see here. 00:43:52
And then this is the colors that they're proposing. 00:43:58
So one thing I just wanted to point out and. 00:44:04
I was hoping Patrick would be here. I don't know if. 00:44:07
Has any update on this? But we did have potential. 00:44:10
A potential issue there, there's this road that connects the two parking lots and along the north edge here is a ditch easement. 00:44:14
That there's an agreement between multiple cities. 00:44:21
And what they're planning on doing is putting in a retaining wall along this edge of the road that they could then build the road 00:44:24
up onto. 00:44:28
And we just wanted to make sure that they got all the approvals from those entities that were involved in that. 00:44:31
Ditch easement and so far they've been able to provide most of, if not all of those agreements, but I just want to make sure. 00:44:37
That Patrick got those and he is not here today. So we can put that as a conditional approval, but they've been great at 00:44:42
responding to that so far. Yeah, so. 00:44:46
I think. 00:44:52
Sorry my. 00:44:58
I guess the. 00:44:59
The bug that. 00:45:01
CIA plant inside my head is probably interfering with us. 00:45:03
But yeah, Senasim Gandora, public works director, assistant to the assistance engineer. 00:45:08
Patrick James, who's not able to be here right now. 00:45:12
We've had several discussions on in regards to the. 00:45:15
To that ditch. 00:45:18
I thought you were gonna stick on that side plan. Sorry, the achievement on that. 00:45:22
Meeting with Linden City, Pleasant Grove. 00:45:27
And the contractor, in essence, we're ensuring that the stormwater. 00:45:30
We're assuring that storm water capacity does not get impacted. 00:45:35
As you can see, Justine had given her an awesome presentation about. 00:45:40
On that and then in terms of that with the Corps of Engineers coordination and allow the contractor to move forward. 00:45:46
And also ensuring that the improvements that they're doing are going to actually be an improvement to the. 00:45:53
To the system versus what's currently out. So we feel that we're we're confident with that moving forward. 00:45:59
On those conditions with the contractor. 00:46:04
And as a reflection on the. 00:46:06
Other side of the ditch, there's there are improvements that are going along there to improve the ditch for the London Heritage 00:46:09
Trail. 00:46:13
As well so. 00:46:16
Yeah. So my condition is approval here are kind of the three standard they make any. 00:46:20
Paying the outstanding fees, Red Line Corrections, they've been great at that so far. They follow federal, state and local laws. 00:46:25
They observe all 88 requirements. 00:46:29
They provide documentation from London City and Army Corps of Engineers for the approval of the fill and road construction within 00:46:33
the Dutch easement, which they they did provide a lot of that to me today, but we'll make sure Patrick will make sure everything 00:46:37
is good there. 00:46:41
Any retaining wall constructed must meet the standards in the zoning code, and the block material must be provided to the 00:46:45
Community Development Department for approval prior to installation. 00:46:49
And then if that road is removed, if they do decide that's the best route here for whatever reason, we do want to see addition 00:46:54
updated landscaping plan that shows what they plan on doing there. 00:46:59
And then the last is that the the slag in the ditch slope is removed as to permit the planting and growth of a native sea mix. 00:47:03
Seed mix. 00:47:10
So that's all that I have. 00:47:12
The applicants are here. 00:47:14
If you do have any questions for them as well if they have want to add anything to my presentation. 00:47:15
Is there any presentation or anything that the applicant would like to share? 00:47:20
Chris Kapartment. 00:47:25
With Vineyard Properties of Utah, so earlier you guys were talking about sales tax and wanting to generate more revenue. We have 00:47:26
two tenants that are combined with this unit. 00:47:32
Their brothers, the Dome and brothers. 00:47:37
They have Way Safe which is in London and they have Home Sports which is in London, so their current tenants of ours. 00:47:40
They're just growing and want a bigger space. 00:47:46
So I approached them. They're like, they are excited about this. They're excited to move into a new building. 00:47:48
They get more space and that way they can grow their business and you have two corporations moving into. 00:47:54
Vineyard City to generate sales tax for you. 00:48:00
Great. Thank you. 00:48:05
OK. Are there any questions for staff or the applicant? 00:48:07
No. OK, great. 00:48:14
Seeing none. 00:48:16
Are there any? 00:48:19
Questions or comments by the public for this application? Even though it's not an official public hearing, I want to give 00:48:20
opportunity if there are any. 00:48:23
All right. Seeing none. I also don't have any questions and I just want to thank you. I'd like to thank anyone that's bringing. 00:48:29
Businesses and jobs. 00:48:36
To our community. 00:48:38
So thank you for that. 00:48:40
Do we have a motion? 00:48:43
I can make a motion. 00:48:47
Do we need to add anything? Did you already add everything that you had on their cache or can I just approve it? Yes, yeah. If you 00:48:48
were financial conditions, you can just say is the condition is as presented as I moved to approve. 00:48:54
The East Lake Lot 6 site plan application requested by Brentwood with the conditions presented. 00:49:00
Wonderful. Is there a second? 00:49:06
2nd. 00:49:07
All in favor. 00:49:09
Aye. 00:49:10
Any opposed? 00:49:12
And passes unanimously. Thank you. 00:49:14
Want to take the time also to excuse Grade Nosler who needed to leave during that presentation. 00:49:16
All right, moving on. 00:49:23
To our next item on the agenda. 00:49:25
Is 5.4, which is the yard parking management plan and traffic impact study. Great, thank you, Chair and members of the Planning 00:49:28
Commission. 00:49:32
So this is one that we. 00:49:37
Talked about before in the past during a work session meeting. 00:49:39
This is a requirement of the development agreement that we had with ex development. I believe early 2023 is when that development 00:49:44
agreement was established. 00:49:48
So I'll just do a quick intro and then Carla or someone from your team is welcome to come up and to provide the details of this. 00:49:53
So part of that requirement, the development agreement was that. 00:49:58
We account for the unique nature of the development. There's three different uses that are part of the project. 00:50:03
Short term rentals, there's fifteen of those, then there's 287 residential units and there's approximately 14,000 square feet of 00:50:10
retail that will be on the ground floor fronting 400 N. 00:50:15
And so those are some pretty specific things just to give you a little bit of background. You might be kind of wondering why the 00:50:21
kind of the uniqueness of it. 00:50:24
The City Council wanted to make sure from economic development standpoint, you have all the residential around there, that the 00:50:27
there were some retail uses. 00:50:31
Close by that could generate some of the amenities and the convenience items that the general public would need. 00:50:35
We also love sales tax in Utah. That's that's really important for our our, our overall budget purposes. 00:50:41
The short term rental units provide lodging. We do have the extended stay units that are coming, but these provide kind of a 00:50:48
different type of lodging. 00:50:52
Used to the site, if you're not familiar with short term rental, it's basically 30 days or less. 00:50:57
And the rest of the 287 units will be more of your standard apartment type and type uses. 00:51:03
I don't mean to say standard quality is going to be just off the charts, but. 00:51:09
But following kind of within that zoning category about. 00:51:14
Department use. 00:51:17
And also we do benefit. 00:51:18
Several years ago, we approved. 00:51:20
The transient room tax in Forest City. So there's a county. 00:51:22
Transient room tax of 1%. And then there's. 00:51:27
That gives us 1%. 00:51:30
So if you. 00:51:31
You know there's. 00:51:32
$200 a night we're going to get. 00:51:34
2-2 bucks, you know, every night. So over the kind of the course of a year that that could, that can translate some pretty good 00:51:36
stuff. 00:51:39
Also provides us the purchasing power of those visitors within a highly commercial development and so that that that was a really 00:51:43
important thing for the the City Council. 00:51:48
The parking management plan. 00:51:53
It does. It does a couple things. It will provide a. 00:51:56
A parking space allotment per use. 00:52:00
It provides a security and safety plan and enforcement and kind of regulation mechanism for for the parking. 00:52:03
And then it was required that a parking study be to accompany the parking management plan. 00:52:11
And so that was done by Ryan. Ryan. 00:52:17
So down. 00:52:20
Further ado, you guys are welcome to come up. We have. 00:52:21
The parking management plan. 00:52:24
Ready. And I believe we have. 00:52:25
A representative from Hale. 00:52:28
Thank you. 00:52:31
Hi Commissioners, my name is Carlo Mata with X Development. 00:52:32
I just wanted to do a quick review of what we went over last time from our work session because I believe. 00:52:36
Two of you weren't here, right? So. 00:52:42
So we'll just go through it really quickly just to kind of. 00:52:44
Give you an overview of what the project is so that it makes a little more sense with the context. 00:52:47
So this project is the parcel that's directly South of Topgolf, as you can see. 00:52:52
And it is a mix of commercial on the main level and then the units above it. It's a four story if you want to go ahead and go to 00:52:59
the next page. 00:53:03
Well, let me back up then, so. 00:53:07
Go ahead. 00:53:10
Morgan already talked a little bit about this, but our whole purpose in coming here is the development agreement that we have with 00:53:12
the city requires us to come before the city to get an approved parking management plan. 00:53:18
And parking study in conjunction. 00:53:24
With our agreement. So that is our whole purpose here. 00:53:27
And I sent all of those items to the staff, I believe. Did all did all of you receive those and have a chance to? 00:53:30
Review them by chance. Perfect. OK, that's great. They're all part of the. 00:53:37
The packet OK, perfect. 00:53:42
OK, go ahead to the next one. 00:53:44
Go ahead again. 00:53:47
OK, so it is a parking structure, it's a four story wrap around. So it's actually 5 levels for the parking structure and for 00:53:49
residential. 00:53:54
Well, with the commercial main. 00:54:00
And Morgan already talked about those other things. So let's go on to the next 101. Key item is this is controlled access. It is 00:54:03
24/7 on-site parking management. And so it will be very much controlled as far as. 00:54:11
How many parking stalls are being used, what they're being used for and so forth. So that's going to be one key item that 00:54:19
different differentiates this project from from others in the city. 00:54:23
OK, so. 00:54:31
This is conceptual. We haven't done our full architectural design and so this is subject to change. 00:54:33
But the we have worked with. 00:54:39
With multiple groups to come up with what seems to be the best fit and we're looking at around 414 stalls. 00:54:41
And then as you can see this, this only pulls out the structured parking and it shows that there's going to be the structured, 00:54:48
there's nose UPS. 00:54:52
There's surface stalls on the Northside. 00:54:57
And all those will be available. 00:55:01
For this particular project, there will be a security arm to to control parking. 00:55:03
As well. 00:55:08
At the entrance of the structure parking. Go ahead. 00:55:09
So what we are seeking through the parking management plan is based on ratios rather than exact numbers because? 00:55:13
The the numbers of units could potentially change a little bit here there. 00:55:21
You know, we obviously will have to be in harmony with the development agreement, but. 00:55:26
So these are the. 00:55:30
The ratios that we're proposing that make the most sense for this type of unit based on all the discussions with our. 00:55:34
Our engineers are our parking. 00:55:41
Study professionals. 00:55:44
Our architects. 00:55:47
Our actual partner that has developed multifamily all over the country, these are. 00:55:48
These are the numbers that we're proposing based on those discussions with them. 00:55:54
You can go ahead and go to the next one. 00:55:59
And this is something that we can go ahead and have Joseph come and talk to us as well. I don't know if you want to do it based on 00:56:02
more. 00:56:05
Questions. Maybe enter in just a second. We'll have him come up. 00:56:09
But he can talk more about what Hills was able to find. 00:56:12
As far as what we're proposing, we are meeting, we are exceeding actually. 00:56:16
Both of the. 00:56:22
Percentages that are not percentages. Both the numbers that are given for the ITE. 00:56:25
As well as the comp data. 00:56:29
We are exceeding them by around 66 on one and 41 another. So we are. 00:56:31
We are surpassing those. 00:56:37
We did have the parking management done plan done by a professional group that does work all over the country and even outside of 00:56:40
the country. 00:56:43
And so that's who we're relying on for guidance on this plan. 00:56:47
And I won't go through the details of the plan unless it's necessary. I'm assuming you're going to have questions for us, so I'm 00:56:52
just going to open it up. 00:56:56
To questions on. 00:57:00
Maybe you want to do the the traffic study now since we've got Joseph here and then, then we can open and if I could add something 00:57:02
really quick. Thanks, Carla. That's great. 00:57:06
Well, and so. 00:57:10
This is a really thoughtful parking management plan and what it was really important for the City Council because what we've seen 00:57:12
historically is where. 00:57:15
We manage parking. 00:57:19
And especially where you have 24/7 management and I don't think any departments do currently, I think that this would be the only 00:57:20
one so far that has 24 management. 00:57:25
We manage the short term rentals and also the park and that's really important, especially if you want to. 00:57:31
Be able to maintain kind of. 00:57:36
Control of the site where we've had lots of owners in one development, that's where parking. 00:57:38
Becomes really hectic. Cash could probably tell you some more stories. 00:57:44
Cash is only 20 years old. Look at it. 00:57:49
So so anyway, we. 00:57:54
This was a really important thing for the City Council. So it's anyway, but that that's what we found historically where we have 00:57:56
parking management on site. It's a it's a whole different, different world in terms of enforcement just. 00:58:02
Making sure that we stay in tune with. 00:58:09
The site plan agreed. Thank you. One of the things I did actually want to point out is if you can switch over to. 00:58:12
One of the other documents, it's one that you had up originally first. 00:58:17
The last PDF that you had up first. 00:58:22
Sorry. 00:58:27
And then I'm going to have you go down to a page that has a graph that's orange once you get there. 00:58:29
And this is basically a graph that was created by our parking. Yeah, correct. It's parking design group. 00:58:37
Oh, that's not orange. It's very not orange. It's green and maybe on my screen it was orange, I don't know. Anyhow, I think the 00:58:45
first page is orange. Okay, note that's green anyhow. 00:58:50
OK, so this was developed by the Parking Design Group. 00:58:55
That shows us how. 00:59:00
How the two primary uses the residential and the commercial are going to offset themselves at their peak hours. So your 00:59:02
residential peak hours are obviously going to be evening and morning hours. Your commercial is going to be the afternoon and early 00:59:07
evening. And so this is really. 00:59:12
Key to help understand how our traffic is going to flow well because they're going to complement each other and. 00:59:18
And you know, when there's a need for more commercial, we're going to have more spots available. 00:59:24
In the parking structure because there will be less use by the residential. 00:59:29
Users and so. 00:59:33
This kind of project works really well together in harmony because of that that crossover during those peak hours. 00:59:35
So, umm. 00:59:43
Is there anything else there that you think we need to address right now? 00:59:45
I have a question on that. Yes, of course. 00:59:49
Does that take into account? 00:59:51
Weekends. So on weekends it would, it's not going to have the same admin flow that you would have for like a work day. 00:59:53
So if you want to have a higher level of retail or you expect it on the weekend? 00:59:59
And we might have asked that question last time. I don't remember. I was here. It was a great presentation, but. 01:00:03
My understanding is that they were taking into consider that overall that into consideration overall. 01:00:10
You're right though there, I mean obviously there's going to be a higher demand on the weekends during during the day for for 01:00:17
residential might be home. 01:00:20
Correct, correct. 01:00:24
But still, we have enough. 01:00:26
Because we are already exceeding the the requirements that are or the recommended the recommendations, we don't, I mean we feel 01:00:29
like there's there's going to be. 01:00:34
Is going to account for that issue. 01:00:40
Because of the additional stalls that will be included, yeah, I think my my concern would be more around not wanting to drive 01:00:42
people away from using the retail space when it could be highly popular. We want to have people come in and. 01:00:48
And participate in all that retail space. So yeah. 01:00:55
OK. All right. I'm going to go ahead and have Joseph come up from Hales Engineering so that you can address questions and then 01:01:01
we'll be available for additional questions. We also. 01:01:05
We have. 01:01:09
Our attorney here that can also be available if there are any further things that you'd like. 01:01:11
Hello, my name is Joseph Browning, I'm with Hales Engineering and. 01:01:23
I I worked on this parking study so. 01:01:26
Happy to answer any questions you got. 01:01:29
Well, we'll see if there's questions. Do you have any presentation or anything to? 01:01:33
Summarize first. 01:01:39
What might be helpful is they did the two case studies maybe to talk about like the compatible sites and. 01:01:40
And it seems like. 01:01:48
Commissioners. 01:01:50
What we're now always asking to maybe addressing the weekend stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely so. 01:01:52
We had so one of the case studies. We had gone out and collected data in Provo. 01:01:58
Also a city with similar demographic characteristics. 01:02:05
At a managed. 01:02:08
Structured parking lot. 01:02:10
So we performed parking outs there. That was our, that was our local data. 01:02:14
Then we also relied on the national rates published by the Institute of Transportation Engineers. 01:02:17
For multifamily housing. 01:02:23
In a. 01:02:26
Mixed-use urban environment. 01:02:28
And based on that, the provided parking seemed to be seem to be sufficient. 01:02:30
As Carla mentioned, they've got quite a large buffer. 01:02:36
Of stalls beyond. 01:02:41
What our data showed. 01:02:43
And in regards to the weekend with the balance of the residential and the commercial? 01:02:45
We actually in our analysis we had assumed to peak. 01:02:50
At the same time, we didn't. 01:02:54
Put in any reductions for cross utilization so it's conservative that way. 01:02:58
All right. 01:03:09
I have a quick question for staff and then I have a question for you and then we'll open up for other questions. Great. So first. 01:03:11
Is anything in the parking management plan presented tonight different than what was presented at the work session? 01:03:18
No, from what we saw it was the same. I don't know if any of your projected numbers had changed, but that that'll be. 01:03:27
Shirt up with the site plan. 01:03:34
So we'll take the the allocation. 01:03:36
That's part of per use and that will be applied to the site plan. Unless there's anything I'm missing, but I look that like pretty 01:03:38
much the same. 01:03:42
The only other thing that was different was we. 01:03:50
Had included the some a presentation that was done by our Parking design, the parking design group that talked more about. 01:03:53
Unbundling and talked about some of the signage that can be used with wayfaring stuff that was the only things different but other 01:04:01
than that like numbers and so forth everything else was the same. OK thank you yeah, the real purpose behind these parking 01:04:06
management plans is to. 01:04:11
Give bodies such as the Planning Commission and the Council. 01:04:16
The opportunity to just. 01:04:20
Be aware of. 01:04:23
What is the parking and vehicle impact going to be? 01:04:24
And what are you doing to address it? 01:04:28
And so. 01:04:30
Stay the same as what I felt during the work session. I feel like you've done exactly what the intent was. 01:04:32
Have a few questions about the process? 01:04:38
So first, when you talked about the structures. 01:04:42
That you looked at to get comparable data. 01:04:45
Can you verify that like the one in Provo? 01:04:48
Was for a similar use of multifamily housing and commercial combined. 01:04:51
That's correct. Yeah. So it was a commercial on the on the 1st floor and the commercial had surrounded the development and then it 01:04:56
was residential up above exactly what's proposed here. Okay, so then that is a good. 01:05:02
Comparison. 01:05:08
Well. 01:05:09
OK, excellent. 01:05:10
Are there any other questions for the applicant or staff? 01:05:13
Yeah, I. 01:05:17
Just to verify. 01:05:20
I'm sorry. Thank you. Just to verify. 01:05:23
You check one location and that was. 01:05:26
That was the Provo location on North Freedom. 01:05:31
Blvd. that's correct. And then we. 01:05:34
Backed it up with with the national data, which has dozens of data points. 01:05:36
OK, why did you? 01:05:42
Just curious, why did you? 01:05:43
That particular. 01:05:46
Structure. 01:05:48
As opposed to. 01:05:50
Other similar that may be similar. 01:05:52
In the area. 01:05:54
Yeah, that's a good question. 01:05:55
This type of managed structure is fairly unique. We want to make sure that we got one. 01:05:58
In Utah County near a major university. 01:06:03
Because we anticipated that you would have a lot of, you know, you would have students. 01:06:06
And young professionals. 01:06:11
Living in these departments, so that's why we chose the Provo location. 01:06:13
And the commercial on the 1st floor and the Instagram of the film was also a crucial component. So that's that's why we chose that 01:06:17
one. 01:06:20
OK. Are there any similar ones and? 01:06:24
Say a warm. 01:06:27
I We. 01:06:30
Checked for other similar ones. 01:06:31
Couldn't find any norm. 01:06:33
You didn't. You did, but you didn't find it correct. Yeah, and and the other. 01:06:37
Complication is that. 01:06:42
We have to get permission from the owner of the property to perform the count. 01:06:45
This one was willing to let us come in in the middle of the night and perform our account. 01:06:51
But yeah, that's. 01:06:57
That's why we chose the yeah, the proper 1 so. 01:07:00
Cool. I think this is great and I agree with Morgan that I think this is very. 01:07:07
Thoughtful and I don't really anticipate any. 01:07:12
Issues. 01:07:15
Based on what I've seen through the study and through the enforcement of it, I do have a question though, just. 01:07:16
On the enforcement side. 01:07:23
Because obviously. 01:07:25
With the ratios that were mentioned. 01:07:27
One space per one bedroom, 2 spaces per two bedrooms. 01:07:29
And then the 2 1/2 spaces for three bedrooms. I I feel like personally there's going to be adequate parking, but. 01:07:32
In the enforcement of it in the leasing of these units is. 01:07:38
Will it be clearly understood how many? 01:07:44
Stalls. Parking stalls. 01:07:46
Come with said unit and like. 01:07:48
Like how does that, how does that work and because I couldn't really find that. So that's going to be very much controlled with in 01:07:52
the leasing process. 01:07:56
And that's also it is mentioned in the parking management plan. 01:08:00
Surface. It doesn't go into great until yet. 01:08:05
But. 01:08:08
But essentially the leasing will be controlled. Excuse me? The parking will be controlled based on each lease. So if all the 01:08:10
parking stalls are assigned already, there will be no more leases. 01:08:15
So it will be very much controlled. Cool. 01:08:21
And I would imagine that the opposite would also be true if. 01:08:24
If they're all the leases were. 01:08:28
Given out or leased out and there was still parking available. 01:08:31
Could someone then? 01:08:34
Lease an additional. 01:08:36
Parking spot. 01:08:37
That's definitely something that could be considered. We haven't really. 01:08:38
Thought about that but that's a great question. OK, cool. Yeah, I just think that that would be helpful and would. 01:08:42
Eliminate any problems down the road if. 01:08:47
That expectation was set out. 01:08:50
At the leasing table, so. 01:08:53
OK. And chair, just so you know the motion. 01:08:59
The sample motion is incorrect. It would be a motion for approval or denial by the Planning Commission. So you guys are afforded 01:09:03
the authority. 01:09:07
To make the decision. This is not a recommendation to the City Council, Yeah. 01:09:12
OK. 01:09:16
I just have a. 01:09:19
A couple of. 01:09:21
Questions. 01:09:23
Like a total of 408. 01:09:28
Bedrooms. 01:09:31
According. 01:09:35
If I'm reading. 01:09:37
That right that you're going to have a total of 400. 01:09:39
I'm sorry, are you talking about just the rooms total or the units? There's 302 units. 01:09:42
287 are the apartment units, 15 are short term rental units. 01:09:48
OK. 01:09:54
So I. 01:09:58
I think. 01:10:00
The The study seems to have been. 01:10:04
Well done procedurally. 01:10:07
I'm I'm a little. 01:10:09
Concerned. 01:10:13
That there's an assumption that. 01:10:14
With one bedroom. 01:10:18
There'll only be one car. 01:10:21
Owner there. 01:10:24
And yeah, and with the two-bedroom? 01:10:27
With the other size bedroom. 01:10:31
Studios. 01:10:33
Yeah. And and that's and that's why we collected. 01:10:34
That's why we're relying on. 01:10:38
Local data and the national relying on what? 01:10:40
On the local data that we collected and the national rates. 01:10:44
To back up our numbers. 01:10:47
Yeah, I think what you're looking at, David, is just the. 01:10:54
The require. 01:10:57
Yeah, sorry. Eric Towner with X Development. What? 01:10:59
What we relied on was a. 01:11:02
Large sample of consultants so the Parking Design group which created the parking management plan. 01:11:04
Hales Engineering which did the traffic. 01:11:12
Impact as well as the parking impact studies. 01:11:14
And the traffic counts and the car counts with comparable properties. 01:11:17
And national ITE standards. 01:11:21
As well as several architects that design these types of buildings, as well as property management companies that manage these 01:11:23
buildings all across the country and a national developer partner that we're partnering with. 01:11:28
That have all come to the conclusion that we are over parking the site slightly. 01:11:35
Mostly at the recommendation and the push from. 01:11:40
Your staff. That said, you guys should push a little above and beyond. Make sure that you guys have more. 01:11:43
Even though this is 24/7 on site property. 01:11:49
Managed and parking managed and we're going to control it through the leasing process that we will hand out. 01:11:52
It'll be impossible to get into the parking garage unless you have. 01:11:58
A parking pass or or some type of RFID chip or remote to lift the gate up. 01:12:02
And then once all those passes are handed out. 01:12:07
There are no more ability to hand out more passes, there's no more demand and so the. 01:12:09
The responsibility comes at the leasing process. 01:12:13
Educate and to sign appropriate leases with the appropriate vehicle count per unit. 01:12:17
Or, uh. 01:12:23
You know if it's if it's one parking pass per bedroom or AS. 01:12:24
Commissioner wrote and had said if there are excess stalls, those can be available at an additional fee. 01:12:29
As needed. 01:12:34
But it was it was a this has been a two year process of dealing with. 01:12:36
Probably a combined 7 or 8. 01:12:41
Local and national consultants to come to this amount. 01:12:44
Thank you. 01:12:48
I have one hypothetical. 01:12:53
OK so I am leasing a space from you and I don't want to pay for parking. Sure. Where does my car go? 01:12:55
If you. 01:13:03
This building is not for you. 01:13:04
Yeah, that's the perfect answer. Or if I don't have a car. 01:13:06
Is there a discounted rate that could be applied for sure? 01:13:12
Yeah, that's that's contemplated there. 01:13:15
Which makes the. 01:13:17
Really exciting for this project is the potential that somebody could live here without a car. 01:13:19
And and could walk to Topgolf, could walk to Chipotle to go eat, Could go see a movie at Megaplex. 01:13:22
Hop on an E scooter if we put those within the shopping center, which we've been. 01:13:29
Canvassing the community to see if anybody would actually use those or if those would become more of an eyesore or. 01:13:33
You know, just littered on the sidewalk, but. 01:13:38
That that was definitely contemplated with the overall general project that we've developed almost 40 acres in this location. 01:13:40
The potential that somebody could. 01:13:47
Truly live somewhere, work at a medical office building and eat and play. 01:13:49
Without getting in a car. 01:13:54
Was really exciting for us when we started this project. 01:13:56
About 7-8 years ago to come to this point has been. 01:13:59
Has been really satisfying. 01:14:02
Or hop on the train like it's close enough to get. Sure, Yeah, yeah. 01:14:04
Yeah, great. 01:14:08
Thank you. 01:14:10
Is there an assumption? 01:14:11
That resident. 01:14:13
Will park in the commercial spot. 01:14:17
At the appropriate times that that's what the parking management on site authority is there to do is to direct. 01:14:19
To direct certain cars at certain times to certain stalls. 01:14:26
Correct. 01:14:30
Utilizing technology and the parking design plan that's been been set up. 01:14:31
And also. 01:14:38
Vice versa, that could also monitor cheapskates like me who will say I'm not going to pay for parking, I'm going to park in front 01:14:39
of Topgolf. 01:14:42
The parking management plan, that constant monitoring would be able to verify that's not an appropriate use and it's breaking your 01:14:45
lease, correct? So enforcement over all overall project management, including the overall yard. 01:14:52
Is contemplated here with the cross access and cross easements agreement that this building has with all the other parcels within 01:14:59
the yard. 01:15:03
OK. Thank you. 01:15:10
Very much. 01:15:12
Again, even though this is not a public hearing, I would like to open it up to public comment if there are any questions. 01:15:15
Hi, it's David Laray. 01:15:27
I just want to say. 01:15:29
I really appreciate the work at X Development has done. 01:15:30
In putting this together and. 01:15:33
And in fact, the whole yard development really has gone very, very well. 01:15:35
This is an excellent use for this particular spot. 01:15:39
Sort of an odd spot. And they really, I think, maximized the use of that. I really applaud them for that. 01:15:42
Their efforts to control parking and to solve a. 01:15:47
A park? A potential parking problem? 01:15:51
Like we've seen other places is, I think excellent as well. 01:15:53
I think they have they thought thought through very well. 01:15:56
I'm as a member of the public. I'm fully in support. 01:15:58
Thank you. 01:16:01
Anyone else? 01:16:06
All right. 01:16:08
Close public comment and if there's any other final thoughts, I'm also happy to entertain a motion. 01:16:10
No thoughts. I'm happy to make a motion. So Morgan, it's just I moved to instead of. 01:16:17
Forward a positive recommendation. It's just approved. Approved, yeah. 01:16:23
OK, I move to approve the parking management plan as presented. 01:16:27
By staff as allowed per the development agreement between Vineyard City and X Development. 01:16:32
I'll second. 01:16:37
All right, have a motion a second, all in favor. 01:16:38
Aye, any opposed? 01:16:40
All right, passes unanimously. 01:16:42
Thank you. 01:16:44
You have the orange light. 01:16:45
All right, we'll move on. 01:16:53
To our next one. 01:16:55
Which is item 5.5, the conditional use permit for a hybrid production facility. 01:16:57
At 263 N Geneva Rd. 01:17:04
Correct, I'll be handling this one. 01:17:07
As a reminder that this is not a site plan, it is just they want to obtain the conditional use before they they start on the site 01:17:09
plan process. 01:17:13
So that's what we're examining here. 01:17:16
You can see that the proposed lot here. This is part of the Gru. Just to the South of it, you'd have Jiffy Lube, Mr. Car Wash, 01:17:18
AutoZone. 01:17:23
And then it would be this hybrid production facility. 01:17:27
And then you have the medical office building in the hotel. So this lot here, lot 202, does have direct access to Geneva Rd. 01:17:31
And then the access Rd. for the Gru would just kind of run up on the West side of it. 01:17:38
So hybrid production facility is a pretty unique type use that we do have in our code. But essentially what it is, is it allows 01:17:44
for a manufacturing of a good but also having a storefront that is meant for retail use. 01:17:50
And so that is what they're proposing here. They've been approached by a. 01:17:56
Candy or chocolate maker? 01:18:00
Who's wanting to produce their goods on site as well as have a retail location? 01:18:03
Yeah, come on. 01:18:08
Here is the candy is what we need to know. This is the question. 01:18:09
So that's what they're proposing here. It'll be constructing and operating a facility that will manufacture candies, chocolates, 01:18:14
jams, jellies, pancake syrups and other related items. 01:18:18
It's intended the retail portion of the building will be around 1500 square feet, or 1/6 of the overall building, according to the 01:18:22
rough site plan that they have provided. 01:18:27
The conditional use permit objective here would be to allow this use to go forward and. 01:18:32
Attain their site plan permit. 01:18:38
And we can use this time to discuss the configuration of the building as well as the loading, unloading and parking of the site. 01:18:41
One thing I do want to note, the hybrid production facilities does state that it must be similar in size, scale and scope of 01:18:48
operation with adjacent or nearby uses. 01:18:52
And you can see the nearby uses that I've listed there below. 01:18:57
So here's the site. I kind of flipped it. Geneva Rd. would be. 01:19:01
Right here where my cursor is at. 01:19:06
And you can kind of see how it relates to the rest of the GRMU and those uses. 01:19:08
I believe this right here would be for like trucks so the you know, as they get deliveries and. 01:19:15
Whatnot that pulling right here. 01:19:21
The Gru does require like the building frontage to face the street. 01:19:23
So I imagine they have the retail component here, but once again, we're not in site plans. We don't want to get into tuned to the 01:19:27
weeds on that. 01:19:31
But this is the overall site of what they're hoping to accomplish with this. 01:19:34
And that's all I have. And once again this is an ex development project so if you have any questions or they want to add anything. 01:19:41
I'll turn it over to them. 01:19:47
I just wanted to add really quickly. So that is very, very preliminary. 01:19:48
Concept it's, I mean, we basically tried to put as big as building as possible, but still meet all the parking code and everything 01:19:53
just to throw on there to see. 01:19:57
You know what would fit like? 01:20:01
What would be the biggest thing that would fit? But that doesn't mean that's necessarily what the buyer would want to use the 01:20:03
Excuse me, the user. 01:20:08
So that's just to give you an idea though of that, that's what it could be. 01:20:13
But but yeah, what Do you have any questions while I'm up here? 01:20:17
Do we have any questions for staff or the applicant? 01:20:20
Jeff. 01:20:24
Just to clarify on the lower. 01:20:27
Left hand side. 01:20:30
That Geneva Rd. 01:20:32
No, it's yeah, exactly right. That's Geneva role. Yes, that is Geneva. This is the Access Rd. This road, the blue line here goes 01:20:34
straight down to Geneva and then it's AutoZone. That's. 01:20:40
To the South of it, right there, right here. 01:20:46
So it has that shared access drive there. 01:20:49
So this is more like more simple manufacturing as far as your. 01:20:54
It's creating some sort of product that's a food product, right? It's yeah, it's just, it's the production of the food, but then 01:20:58
it's also selling it in the front, the packaging almost similar to like what Brooker's does, but it just on a on a larger scale, 01:21:02
OK. 01:21:07
I'm just thinking about like the. 01:21:13
Overall environmental impact and what that is. 01:21:15
Depending on. 01:21:18
How it's being manufactured, but. 01:21:19
I'm sure that's something you could talk about. 01:21:21
More later and I'm envisioning if you're having a storefront to of a product that is a consumable. 01:21:24
It could be similar to even how like. 01:21:32
We have bucked up and built these other ones that have like a store on the front of it. Yep exactly. It would be a retail. 01:21:35
Store in the front would be like a candy store in the front and then the rest of it be where it's pretty, where it's manufactured, 01:21:43
produced. And forgive me for an an ignorant question. Yeah, even as you're explaining to me, we can help in cash. So you saying 01:21:48
there will be an actual like turn in from Geneva or it will be a different Rd. It's that road right there that is the access. 01:21:53
Access. Okay, yeah. 01:21:58
Because just that flow like not that many turn in. 01:22:04
Right now and the flow of traffic is really halted because everybody has to go around the corner. 01:22:07
Because there's a couple places you can turn in the parking lots don't connect. 01:22:12
Yeah, that's really going to change pretty soon as the hotel opens. There's an access point there. There's the one that's right 01:22:16
where AutoZone is. So and that's going to flow. There will be cross access all the way down to O'Reilly as well and all the way up 01:22:22
to McDonald's to 400 N So it's going to help. It's going to make a huge difference. Yeah, that's great. 01:22:28
OK. Thank you. You're welcome. Any other questions? 01:22:34
Brings candy next time that's yeah just next steps for the if it does get an approval they will be going through like the site 01:22:38
plan process where they will be bringing the elevations and the landscaping and all that for. 01:22:43
The Planning Commission to review again. 01:22:48
Wonderful. 01:22:52
Cool. 01:22:53
Any comments or questions from the public? 01:22:55
OK, seeing none. 01:23:00
Other than a big thumbs up. 01:23:01
Do we have a motion? 01:23:04
I'll make a motion to recommend approval. 01:23:07
That's 2025 actually. 01:23:11
As presented for the conditional use permit. 01:23:14
Yeah, this would be an approval, not a recommendation, sorry. 01:23:17
Motion there I have. 01:23:21
You want me to read it? 01:23:22
But you motion to approve it as presented. 01:23:25
Yeah. Do we have a second? Second. 01:23:27
All in favor. 01:23:29
Aye, aye, All right. Passes unanimously. 01:23:31
Thank you. 01:23:34
All right, we will move on to our last. 01:23:36
Business item. 01:23:40
Which is 5.7. 01:23:42
Which is the Vineyard City code update. 01:23:45
And this is a public hearing. 01:23:47
OK, awesome. 01:23:49
So this is a background. 01:23:50
Everybody's leaving for my presentation. I'm hurt. 01:23:53
This is. 01:23:56
Been a lot of work to get to this point. 01:23:57
So at least I have you here, Jane. So. 01:23:59
Just as a refresher, over the past few months, I think since November, October last year, we've been kind of going over our zoning 01:24:02
code as we present it to the Planning Commission for feedback. 01:24:07
You know, as planners, we've been going over it and we've hopefully culminated to this point where. 01:24:13
We feel comfortable presenting this for a recommendation tonight. 01:24:19
And so I have just a brief presentation here to go over those changes. We've made some modifications since we've last. 01:24:23
Talked and presented this. 01:24:29
The first thing I wanted to know is the public notice and all that makes it look like we are changing a lot of sections, which is 01:24:31
true. 01:24:34
However, a lot of the sections are just grammar and formatting updates, so I wanted to get that out of the way that most of these 01:24:37
sections, there's small things that we're changing here and there. 01:24:41
I'll get into the weeds on the bigger more important things that we're changing. So all these sections there are changes, but like 01:24:45
I said, pretty minor. 01:24:49
So I'll get right into it, the land use authorities. So this is the section that creates the Planning Commission as well as the 01:24:54
Development Review Committee. 01:24:57
The changes here we are allowing up to three appointments can expire each year. 01:25:01
Currently the code says only one can expire each year, which is actually impossible with eight commissioners so. 01:25:06
Want to get that out of the way? 01:25:11
We wanted to allow for a vote. 01:25:13
To vote on an item just requires A quorum to be present right now, it says. 01:25:15
A majority of the total members of the body. 01:25:19
That require four people, so we felt a vote required to quorum. 01:25:22
And then we have a provision in here to for the election of a chair pro tempore in case the Chair and Vice Chair not. 01:25:26
Present umm. 01:25:34
Also, do you want me to run through everything and then do questions or do you want me to stop at each slide? Let's go through 01:25:36
everything and then we may interrupt you if we feel we need to. Love it. 01:25:40
DRC, we just have an additional provision in here that each member of the DRC can appoint designee, including the Planning 01:25:45
Commissioner. As you know right now our code says the Planning commissioner can't do that. We felt it was appropriate to. 01:25:51
Or the chair of the Planning Commission to appoint a designee to fill their stead. 01:25:57
OK. This is a big one that we've made changes to. This is establishments of districts and zoning tables. 01:26:03
We added the definition of the group. 01:26:09
We clarified the interpretation of the zoning map. 01:26:12
If there's a partial that's zoned in both in multiple categories, how we interpret that? 01:26:15
We updated the district use table format so it's easier to read. I think that was requested last time. 01:26:21
That it can be kind of hard to read. So we made it so every like, I don't know, 10 or so items, it lists out the different zones 01:26:26
again so people can read it easily. 01:26:30
And then these are all the new uses that we are proposing. So we have check cashing and I have definition all that for these if 01:26:35
you guys have questions about them, but check cashing and other credit services like a payday loan center. 01:26:40
We have as conditional in regional commercial. 01:26:46
I do want to just provide some context here. 01:26:49
When you have a use like a payday loan center wants to come to the city. If we don't have necessarily a. 01:26:51
Proper use for it like this, we have to kind of go into the where it best fits. 01:26:58
And so we want to be prevent or. 01:27:02
Proactive here and. 01:27:04
Create what where that could be and then create the standards for development of that type of use. 01:27:05
So that's what we're doing with like that hotel extended stays. 01:27:11
Retail tobacco stores and even, I guess you could say tattoo establishments. 01:27:14
Car washes, we really did limit their use just as conditional in the Gru, RC and FY districts. 01:27:20
Permitted in manufacturing is staying the same. 01:27:27
Hotel extended stay conditional in the Gru and Regional Commercial Mobile Food Corp conditional in the RMU. 01:27:30
Retail tobacco specialty business conditional in the RC. 01:27:37
Tattoo establishment would be permitted in Armu Gru Fmu which is a forge. 01:27:41
And the RC. 01:27:47
And then the tennis sports court, this was conditional across the city. So if you want to put one in your backyard, you were 01:27:48
supposed to go through and get a conditional use permit and nobody was doing that. 01:27:53
So we just felt like it would make more sense to just allow them in residential yards where they had a big enough yard for it. 01:27:57
Development agreements. Right now there's a provision in there that says every development agreement needs to be reviewed annually 01:28:06
by the City Council. 01:28:09
I don't think that's being done too well. I mean, in a way it is. Applications get brought forward to the City Council, but. 01:28:13
We just want to add a provision that city staff could do the review and provide that report to the City Council. 01:28:19
Just making you know this is administrative action, so. 01:28:24
If I can interrupt. 01:28:29
This includes the requirement that after staff completes that review, it goes forward to the council. Not for an action 01:28:30
necessarily, but as a report. Yeah, OK, great. 01:28:34
Temporary uses. So this one, once again, we've made quite a few changes. We're allowing temporary business licenses to be issued 01:28:40
in place of the temporary use permit. 01:28:44
In some cases. 01:28:49
We have language in here that a temporary use can be permitted for 60 consecutive days. I know we had some conversation about. 01:28:51
How we want to do that And so we just decided on that 60 consecutive days. 01:28:57
And then we created the seasonal use permit. 01:29:01
Which would be allowed between April 1st and October 31st for a maximum of 180 days. 01:29:04
That's like a shaved ice stand is a perfect example of that. 01:29:09
And then we created a development standards for these types of uses that they need to provide us improved dustless surface 01:29:13
parking. 01:29:16
They need to make sure that there's access to the site and they're not blocking other. 01:29:19
Uses nearby, they need to provide a solid waste like trash can facilities or plan for that. 01:29:24
As well as with restrooms. 01:29:30
Continued seasonal uses, we do want to see a site plan for that as it can have a little bit more of an impact. 01:29:34
And we are making sure that they don't impact. 01:29:41
Parking nearby. So if you have a seasonal, you say shave guy stand you want to put it. 01:29:45
In a parking lot, we're going to make sure that the minimum parking for that area is still being met with all the uses. 01:29:49
Fireworks stands the same thing, site plan and we want to see the dates of operation and make sure they're falling within the 01:29:55
state guidelines there. State law, I should say, not guidelines. 01:30:00
And carnivals and festivals. We decided that a special event permit makes more sense for this than a temporary or seasonal use. 01:30:05
And that way it's being reviewed by our fire department. Our police are, you know, it's a more broader permit than just a planner 01:30:11
and the business licensing person, so. 01:30:16
And then we added garage sales as an exemption for temporary use permits that people don't need to get a permit for that. 01:30:22
Conditional uses. 01:30:30
The the old code update did remove the requirement for title report and survey. We felt it was necessary to keep title report in 01:30:32
there, but we didn't think a survey was necessary. A survey of the property. 01:30:37
So we're moving that requirement. 01:30:42
And then we are including a condition here that a traffic impact analysis. 01:30:44
Is required if requested by the planner, by the Planning Commission. 01:30:49
By the city engineer. 01:30:54
General property development standards. I should update this. It doesn't remove allowance for flag lots, but it changes how we 01:31:00
measure the frontage for flag lots in the city. 01:31:05
Our code right now does require that every driveway has to have direct access to a garage or carport. 01:31:11
Which is a bit confusing is you have a lot of people who put in an extra pad for cement. 01:31:17
That's within our for concrete that that's within our. 01:31:21
Allowance. 01:31:24
Our zoning code that doesn't necessarily access a broader carport, so we wanted to clear that up. 01:31:28
And then we updated the Clearview on driveways. We added a new image there to help show how we're going to measure that, and it's 01:31:33
10 feet from the sidewalk now. 01:31:37
Our existing code is 12 feet from the curb. 01:31:42
Which really doesn't do much and there's a few properties in Vineyard where that's become a problem where they put up a fence. 01:31:45
Right there and. 01:31:51
It's it's very shy, obscuring and we're worried about the safety of people as they're walking by and ends as you have a driveway 01:31:52
right there. There's a lot of conflict. 01:31:56
So we just wanted to update that. 01:32:00
I'm so sorry, I could go back. 01:32:04
When it says removes the allowance for flag lots, can you go into more detail? What the? Yeah sorry like I said I shouldn't have. 01:32:07
Phrased it like that, let me open up the actual code. 01:32:13
And you can see. 01:32:18
We no longer allow driveways on flag lots. 01:32:20
You must use the lawn. 01:32:23
So this is the section talking about the lot frontage required. So it's saying. 01:32:35
That every house has to front onto a street. 01:32:40
And then we're saying that there's an exception to that, that if a lot has been approved as a flag lot. 01:32:44
And there are currently no flag lots in the city. 01:32:49
And and so HR planner felt it was not necessary to have this provision in there. 01:32:53
As we don't have any in the city. 01:32:58
OK. 01:33:00
Nor do we anticipate with the new style of developments that are coming. I don't imagine there's a few potentially near Holdaway 01:33:05
Rd. where. 01:33:10
That it could potentially happen. They want to split one of the larger lots, yeah. 01:33:14
But but yeah, as our Holdaway Rd. resident here. 01:33:19
Sorry, started over here. 01:33:25
OK, accessory dwelling units. 01:33:30
Are if you remember last time we talked about how our general plan does. 01:33:33
Say we need to allow for prefabricated homes as accessory dwelling units, and I know there's a lot of. 01:33:37
Talk about how we can make that happen. 01:33:43
Without necessarily like, ruining the character of some neighborhoods, right? 01:33:45
And so we are requiring that they are placed on permanent foundation and that the design of the structure must be consistent with 01:33:49
the primary structure. 01:33:53
So we felt that that language there prevented kind of like a mobile Home Park from being built into a neighborhood. They really 01:33:57
would have to address this up to almost make it look like it's, you know, as part of the house. 01:34:02
But still as a. 01:34:08
Affordable way to bring in an Adu if you're looking. 01:34:10
You know, do that to your property, so. 01:34:14
We're only allowing one with impact home occupation for in case you know, if you have an Adu and you have a hair salon upstairs, 01:34:16
you're downstairs neighbors couldn't have a. 01:34:21
Preschool. 01:34:27
We just thought that was a lot of impact for one house. 01:34:28
And then we have a clause in there that the license can be revoked or denied due to zoning violations. 01:34:32
Home occupations. This is a pretty big one. We've created new definitions for what like an employee in a customer is. 01:34:40
We've updated the permitted list to Personal Care Services. 01:34:46
Animal hobby breeders or pet grooming. This is just to kind of give you an idea of what's permitted, not necessarily defining 01:34:50
everything that that's permitted. 01:34:54
And we were specific in the not permitted less medical practitioner, medical spa, vet services, animal animal warding and pet day 01:34:58
care. 01:35:02
The aggregate impact of multiple home occupations cannot equal the. 01:35:07
Impact of 1. 01:35:11
Nonprofits with impact are going to be subject to these standards. 01:35:13
Group instructions that be if somebody wanted to teach dance classes, singing lessons to some siblings or something, we're 01:35:17
allowing up to six. They do have to get a conditional use permit and they do have to provide 5 off street parking spaces. 01:35:23
Umm, we can now require inspections if there's some non compliance issues, and we can deny license if there's non compliance 01:35:31
issues. 01:35:35
And then we are doing a little bit of a parking reduction for homes with impact. 01:35:39
At multifamily dwellings, if somebody wanted to have, say, a. 01:35:44
A Barber shop in and they live in a condo building. We just want to see that they have two dedicated spaces that the customer 01:35:48
could park in. 01:35:51
We just felt it was more equitable that way. 01:35:56
Swimming pools and drive throughs. This is new. The swimming pool section anyways. 01:36:00
We've had some people request that they are allowed to build a safety cover instead of a fenced in property. 01:36:06
This the building code actually all they require is a safety cover. They don't even require fence. 01:36:13
But our code was pretty specific about that. 01:36:19
And so one other thing we did want to add in is if say somebody has a property or a backyard and they share that with a neighbor 01:36:22
and they they fence in the entire backyard except for the fence between their two properties. 01:36:27
We're allowing them to enter into an agreement that if one of them moves, they'll construct a fence between the pool and the. 01:36:33
The neighboring property. 01:36:39
Does that make sense? 01:36:41
Yeah, is said agreement then like. 01:36:43
Recorded with title. 01:36:46
And so it's tied to that or is that something just managed by a planning department? And if so? 01:36:47
How in the world do you enforce that? Yeah, yeah, that's something. I definitely, I sent this off to her attorney to review. 01:36:52
Because I agree. I think it's, you know. 01:37:00
As easy to say you'll, you'll make this agreement. We want to make sure that. 01:37:03
They will actually follow through with it. 01:37:07
Yeah, we'd have it, recorded County. 01:37:10
Then it would be tied to title and how it would be a disclosure at the time of any kind of exchange. OK, yeah. 01:37:12
Dr. Throughs. We did make some edits. We kind of reverted back to our original code from what we've presented in the past. 01:37:19
But we do want to. There's quite a few updates such as queuing lanes can't block entrances to buildings or parking spaces. 01:37:28
We are going to require a traffic and queuing study for every drive through. We want to make sure that that queues aren't going 01:37:35
out into the public St. 01:37:39
And causing issues. I know some restaurants have that that problem. 01:37:42
And then food trucks, if they have a drive through, they need to follow the standards of this section. 01:37:46
So we were originally scrapping the idea that you need to get a conditional use permit to put a drive through. 01:37:52
We're reverting back and keeping that the same. 01:37:58
Before moving on, I just want to give my opinion. 01:38:03
And it is only one persons opinion. 01:38:06
I like the idea of if you have a swimming pool in your backyard, you have to have a fenced in yard that. 01:38:09
Isn't open and shared with the neighbor. I'm of the opinion that it should be. 01:38:16
Able to be completely closed off just out of safety. OK, if you want we can just my. 01:38:20
We can include that in the in the recommendation to the City Council. 01:38:25
We can provide these notes. I have talked to some members of the Council about this already. 01:38:29
So. But that will make note of that. 01:38:35
OK. Here are those new uses that I mentioned before, check cashing, we have a distance requirement. So we're saying you can only 01:38:38
have one every, I think half mile from another. 01:38:43
And then no more than one per 10,000 residents. 01:38:49
In the city, short term rentals, big update here. I know last time we had a lot of discussion about this and. 01:38:52
You know, I think Bryce was saying, well, I don't want people to have a short term rental license in my neighborhood. I'll just 01:38:57
buy the license and whatnot. We we got rid of all of that and were to the point where. 01:39:02
We're only allowing them within multifamily complexes within the RMU with professional on site management. That's their 24/7. 01:39:07
And if you think back. 01:39:15
20 minutes ago to what? 01:39:16
Xdev was presenting. We're building it out for that, building that. 01:39:17
By the development agreement need to provide short term rentals. 01:39:22
Yeah. And it's anticipated too. I mean that's the type of use that that is good. And so if a project is built with that use in 01:39:25
mind like theirs was, then they're accounting for any of those detrimental impacts that could come from a short term rental, so. 01:39:32
You know, I'd be feel like that's a good model moving forward if we do, there is some interest in allowing short term rentals in 01:39:40
the single family neighborhoods. 01:39:44
We felt just like that. 01:39:48
Was a pretty big left and there's probably a lot more public outreach that needs to occur before we we allow something to be more 01:39:50
widespread. 01:39:53
So. 01:40:00
Yeah, it essentially is designed for that one building. Even like Edgewater or the yeah Edgewater townhomes, this would not be 01:40:02
permitted there as they don't have 24/7 on site management. 01:40:07
We're we're really restricting it to that one partial. 01:40:13
Mobile food courts This is designed if there's three or more food trucks on a lot, they need to go through site plan, process, 01:40:17
conditional use permit. 01:40:20
Provide bathrooms and whatnot. 01:40:24
Retail tobacco specialty business. This is like a vape shop. 01:40:29
There is a separation requirement from community locations that would be like schools, parks. 01:40:33
Churches, we have a definition for that later on. 01:40:38
And then no more than one per 25,000 residents there. 01:40:41
And cash to clarify on that one, that was really just to kind of set. 01:40:45
Parameters in place, we would still have the opportunity. 01:40:49
To accept or deny an application for that, correct. 01:40:52
Yeah, yeah. I mean, essentially one could come to the city and say we want to bring in a vape shop and we'll make sure they follow 01:40:55
these parameters. 01:40:59
And if they don't say, you know, if we already have one and we're only at 2520 thousand residents, we would no longer accept new 01:41:03
businesses until. 01:41:07
We reach that new threshold. 01:41:11
But we would still. 01:41:13
We would still retain the opportunity to say, hey, we don't feel like this fits our it's a conditional use. It's conditional use. 01:41:14
That's why I wanted to know. Thank you. 01:41:18
So, umm. 01:41:21
And that's a really great question because in Utah, though. 01:41:23
It is unlike some other states. 01:41:26
A conditional use permit is essentially A permitted use. 01:41:29
But it allows you as the Planning Commission, another layer of kind of discretion oversight. Yeah, you can. You can, you can 01:41:33
provide, you can provide conditions. 01:41:38
To mitigate detrimental impacts to neighboring properties. But to be honest and we've. 01:41:43
You know, we've studied this quite a bit from our attorney and just like legal trainings, it's, it's really hard to deny a 01:41:48
conditional use. 01:41:52
And so you you got to kind of understand when you list something as a conditional use you pretty much. 01:41:57
It's a permitted use, but you're allowed to add a lot of conditions. 01:42:01
To mitigate impacts, OK, One example of that is the Mr. Car Wash. We had them do a sound study in that sound study showed that 01:42:04
they needed to put up a barrier wall between them and the Edgewater townhomes to prevent the sound from. 01:42:11
Spilling over into the neighboring property so if you ever go there you'll see that they have AI. Think a 10 foot tall sound wall 01:42:18
between them and Edgewater now. 01:42:22
So, yeah, essentially, but yeah, that's the retail tobacco special business. I think it's. 01:42:27
Conditional in the regional commercial zone. 01:42:31
So. 01:42:34
Site planning and design requirements we've made. This is once again, the goal of this was to remove any subjective language from 01:42:37
the code and replace it with objective or measurable language. 01:42:41
It used to have a lot of like fluffy fluffy language that's like. 01:42:46
The city wants you to encourages this or whatnot and and there's no way as planners as we get an application to measure that 01:42:50
necessarily. So we tried our best to remove all of that subjective language and replace it with. 01:42:56
How can we measure that? Right? So in the purpose statement though we did include more of that that fluffier language of here's 01:43:02
kind of the idea of what we want to promote. 01:43:07
And then within the code itself is the steps of how we'll do that. 01:43:12
I know like Daria was here when we went over this and she was disappointed to see like we were moving a lot of language about 01:43:17
historic and rural character. We were doing that because it's really hard to measure what that means. So we put that instead into 01:43:21
the purpose statement saying we do want to encourage that kind of development. 01:43:26
And we do that in the code itself by talking about like materials that we're going to allow, right? 01:43:32
And so that's. 01:43:38
Going into detail on that, we're going to require 2 project features. 01:43:40
This you can think of like, for example, would be like that Vineyard sign on the Maverick. If you've seen that wall there, they 01:43:44
have a big Vineyard sign that without being an example of a project feature that we want to see. 01:43:49
But entry features public art, streetscape designs, pedestrian cut off, pedestrian recycling facilities. 01:43:53
So they could put like a bike repair station or something like that. 01:44:00
But that's something they'll have to propose in their site plan application. You know, we'll ask if this is enough to the Planning 01:44:03
Commission. You guys will decide on that. 01:44:07
We want to see articulation on all facades for every 30 feet of the facade they need to. 01:44:12
Make changes variations on the roofline every 50 feet. We want to see changes there. 01:44:19
And then recesses and projections every 100 feet. 01:44:24
And then we have a requirement of two architectural details. So that is like I said when I was talking about the historic and 01:44:29
rural nature, we have some architecture details and materials that we're going to require now. 01:44:35
It's all laid out. It's like the stone and exposed metal and. 01:44:42
And stuff like that. 01:44:46
Umm, OK. Continuing on, we're going to allow up to 15% of the existing building footprint to be expanded as a site plan amendment. 01:44:51
This was just kind of a Gray area in the code. So now we're actually measuring how do we justify what's a site plan amendment? 01:45:00
And that would require going back to the Planning Commission for approval. 01:45:06
And same thing with accessory structures. We're doing that, you know, if it if it reaches a certain threshold, it goes to the 01:45:10
Planning Commission for approval. 01:45:13
We're making it so there has to be 1 main entrance facing the street, and that main entrance has to be improved in some way, 01:45:17
elevated in a certain. 01:45:21
With certain materials. 01:45:25
Or landscaping or like a Plaza or, you know, just something to draw people to that main entrance. 01:45:27
Umm, we're going to require there's certain requirements for pedestrian scale if the building is over 20 feet tall. 01:45:34
And then 60% of the building must be a primary material. 01:45:41
That we once again we have listed. 01:45:45
Only 5% of Assad may be in accent color. We had a problem in the past of a. 01:45:48
Certain bright blue. 01:45:52
Industrial building that. 01:45:54
Our code just kind of said. 01:45:57
Try to keep. 01:45:58
Colors, you know, and harmonious with the nature or whatever. And that's really hard for us to. 01:46:00
Say what that means. 01:46:05
Yeah. And so now we're saying this is an accent color, you can have up to 5% of it, right? 01:46:07
We had a lot of discussion about view corridors in the section of How can we? 01:46:13
Measure that right If somebody builds on a lot next to you, how can you protect your views when you don't necessarily own that 01:46:19
land? 01:46:22
So we did put in here that a view corridor analysis may be required by the the Planning Commission. We like to avoid the word may, 01:46:25
but in this instance it's very subjective of. 01:46:30
You know if a building is. 01:46:35
Taller or in a certain location like Top Golf for example, that would be a great example of where we could have required a view 01:46:38
corridor analysis. 01:46:41
But say a. 01:46:46
You know, a candy shop. I don't think it's necessary. 01:46:47
Yeah, I. 01:46:51
I remember talking quite a bit about the. 01:46:52
Yeah, yeah, that. 01:46:55
Just opens up. 01:46:57
Quite a bit so. 01:47:00
I totally get why it's here. 01:47:02
I I just wish we had some kind of these are the circumstances in which a Butte quarter analysis and what I did is I looked at 01:47:06
surrounding communities to see what they had in terms of this, like if they had map or certain features that had to be proven that 01:47:11
they're. 01:47:16
Visible from any location. 01:47:21
And there's really no like, best practice in the nearby communities. 01:47:23
But what I was thinking is what we could do, and this might be a later on text amendment that, you know, we examine this more 01:47:27
holistically is we could create a map of, of our community as well as the the surrounding area and we can show kind of these are 01:47:32
the main corridors that we need to. 01:47:37
Protect. 01:47:42
And if you're building on lots in these areas, you do have to provide this view corridor. I just didn't think that this. 01:47:43
That would fit within this. 01:47:50
Zoning text amendment. 01:47:52
Totally agree. 01:47:54
And we did do something. 01:47:55
To kind of, you know, I guess as a standard on the lakefront commercial district in downtown. 01:47:57
We, we were. 01:48:05
We have a small percentage of the pads that can go up to six stories and the rest of them are limited to three stories. 01:48:06
So that you're maintaining views to the lake. So there was concerns that we might get like some really big six story structures 01:48:13
that would extend all the way through and so. 01:48:18
The City Council wanted to make sure that those were just little limited portions of the of the project and that OK, most of it 01:48:23
was below 3. 01:48:27
Great. 01:48:32
And the last section of this. 01:48:34
Section is landscaping accessories. Then you provide one landscaping accessory. So that could be a bench, it could be some art, 01:48:38
public art, it could be. 01:48:43
Sure, Cauldron. 01:48:48
You know, just something to bring a little bit more like elevation to the site. 01:48:50
Rather than just gravel and trees. 01:48:55
OK. We're almost finished here. Other sections, we really didn't want to touch parking too much in this update, but what we are 01:48:58
doing is we're adding measurements for 45° angled parking. 01:49:04
The stalls measuring that, we don't have any way to do that right now, so we're adding that in there. 01:49:10
And then we are changing how we measure the screening. It was kind of vague. So we're just saying you need to provide show that 01:49:14
there's three feet of screening. 01:49:18
Have any large parking lots? 01:49:23
And then the landscaping. I'm not sure if we brought this. 01:49:25
Height from. 01:49:28
Yeah. I don't know if we brought this forward to you guys or not before, but this is something we've been working with Nassim on 01:49:30
for. 01:49:34
Four years. 01:49:38
And that would be the equivalent acre formula? 01:49:40
For measuring open space, so essentially what it does is we want to see the open space that people are providing is actually 01:49:43
usable open space. 01:49:47
You know, if somebody is proposing a development with a large retaining pond that is not open to the public and completely coats 01:49:51
off. 01:49:54
That is not open space. That's. 01:49:57
You know, infrastructure, yeah. 01:49:59
And so now we have this formula that we can essentially map out or calculate. 01:50:02
You know, if this is that closed off area, we're going to give you .1 credit or no credit for that, where if you're building a 01:50:06
park you get a full credit for it. 01:50:10
Right. And so now we'll be able to plug that into our formula and make sure that they're hitting our open space requirements. 01:50:14
That are actually usable open space. Is there anything you wanted to add to that Naseem? 01:50:19
Just that you're happy I'm getting it done. 01:50:24
So. 01:50:28
This is I think the last slide that I do have is these are all the new definitions that were either modifying or adding. 01:50:30
What we've done is we've combed through the the planning or the the zoning code. 01:50:38
Definitions tab, the municipal code, the special purpose zoning district, just all of our books, we've looked at the definitions 01:50:43
to make sure that they are the same so that way people can't. 01:50:47
Argue what a basement is according to the city. It's all the same in all of our chapters. 01:50:51
Or all of our books. 01:50:56
That's all I have. 01:51:05
If there's any of these you want more in detail I can show, I can pull up the code and show you the specific language that we 01:51:06
wrote in there. 01:51:10
Yeah, but it should all be in the packet as well. 01:51:13
Appreciate it. 01:51:16
I know we interrupted a bit during the presentation. Are there any questions for staff? 01:51:17
OK, this is a public hearing, so we'll go ahead and open it. Are there any public comments? 01:51:23
All right. 01:51:30
Hi, David Luray. Someone has to do it right. 01:51:34
To fight your way up here to pass everybody else. 01:51:36
You made it. 01:51:40
So with along with the. 01:51:41
Commissioner Harbin, I'm concerned about the. 01:51:44
Tobacco Spot and also the Tattoo Pirates. 01:51:47
Those half be permitted uses. Do we have to permit them? Can we like exclude them? 01:51:51
I want to know this too. 01:51:57
Address that after the public hearing. That's anyway that's that's yeah, that would be my big question. I don't. 01:51:58
Everything else seems pretty reasonable. 01:52:04
You know I would. 01:52:07
Maybe have a question. I'll cover a couple of particulars, but I have to think of the actual application to have the particular 01:52:08
SO. 01:52:11
I don't know. 01:52:14
Right. 01:52:15
Thank you. 01:52:17
Anyone else? 01:52:19
All right, seeing none, we'll close the public hearing. 01:52:22
I don't know if you want to go into more detail about prohibiting businesses. 01:52:25
I just know in my experience we've faced it in other communities with tobacco, tattoo, adult oriented businesses. 01:52:30
Marijuana, cannabis or businesses? 01:52:39
And it is near impossible to. 01:52:42
Completely prohibit a specific use due to constitutional rights. 01:52:45
However. 01:52:50
Like we've displayed in the code. 01:52:52
There are cities that can make it very hard and to varying degrees, but outright prohibit. I've never seen a city successfully do 01:52:55
it without getting sued. 01:52:59
Yeah, yeah. And what you said? 01:53:04
The mayor recommend that we make it as difficult as possible for those. So yeah, yeah. For example, right now if say, Vape Shop 01:53:06
wanted to come into Vineyard. 01:53:11
We would have to look at our code to see what we think is best fit category. 01:53:15
And that might just be like retail or you know. 01:53:19
Yeah. And, and and at that point it opens up. 01:53:23
Right next to the puppy barn you're gonna have. 01:53:26
Bingo David S vape shop right? Well, and that's exactly what we've done in other communities. 01:53:28
Is it has to be X feet away from any school, park, residence, place of worship? 01:53:35
Or commercial. 01:53:42
A place that is attractive to families or minors and that pretty much sums up every single space and vineyards right now. By us 01:53:44
calling out these uses, it helps us to regulate them more than they are right now. Right now they can just. 01:53:51
Drop into any retail environment and so by actually calling them out correct allows us to have some standards attached on yeah 01:53:57
that did make sense and your intent there but I just didn't know the. 01:54:03
Like what could be done? What else could we do to prohibit? Yeah, So you can see, and this is the the retail tobacco specialty 01:54:10
business. 01:54:13
We list here that they have to be 1000 feet away from any community location. We list all of those out and it does make it very 01:54:18
difficult to build one in Vineyard. They could probably build one over by the power plant. 01:54:24
And be OK. 01:54:30
Right. But I mean, that's essentially what would that be consistent with their market strategy in order to be profitable business, 01:54:31
right, Right. That's one thing that because everyone has a business owner, I don't want to push my own morals onto others. 01:54:37
But I would hope that any person hoping to and run a business can make savvy business. What we've done here, especially in this 01:54:44
chapter here is we've worked with. 01:54:48
The Utah County Health Department. 01:54:54
To make sure that this falls within state code too. 01:54:56
Kelly and our business licensing department's kind of been spearheading this and she's done a phenomenal job at. 01:55:00
Making sure that we're crossing our. 01:55:05
T's and dotting our eyes. 01:55:07
So great. 01:55:09
Things. 01:55:11
OK. 01:55:14
Are there any other questions? 01:55:16
All right. The sample motion is to recommend approval of the ordinance to the City Council. 01:55:19
Is there a motion? 01:55:26
To accept, to recommend approval, all right, of the ordinance as presented. 01:55:31
Is there a second? A second? 01:55:36
All right, all in favor. 01:55:38
Aye, any opposed? 01:55:40
It passes unanimously. 01:55:42
All right, you know how spoiled we are as a Commission when a 2 hour meeting boy seems like a long one. 01:55:44
But uh. 01:55:52
This was great. Thank you everyone. I will add real quick next in two weeks we do have a lot of items as well for the agenda. So 01:55:53
just. 01:55:56
Looking forward to it. 01:56:01
Well, honestly, a lot of exciting things. Really. Candy samples. 01:56:02
Great. OK. 01:56:07
Let's move on. There's no work session on the agenda, Staff and Commission reports. Is there anything worth reporting by the 01:56:09
Commission or staff? 01:56:13
I will add just real quick the Linden Heritage Trail that we've shown. 01:56:18
Showed you on the Lot 6 site plan. 01:56:22
That's well underway, under construction right now and hopefully we'll connect into the. 01:56:25
City soon. 01:56:29
Great. 01:56:31
Pretty exciting. 01:56:32
Wonderful. Thank you. 01:56:33
Do you have something to see? Oh yeah. So in addition to London Heritage Trail, that's underway in terms of construction. 01:56:36
We did a plan in hand, which just means a review of final construction designs with the dot in terms of the trail enhancement 01:56:43
project which covers. 01:56:48
Installing a hawk system at. 01:56:52
Center St. 01:56:54
Where the current crossing is by Gavin Park. 01:56:55
So changing it out from a. 01:56:58
RRFB to a Hawk. Hawk is in essence allows for higher visibility that crosswalk for vehicles. 01:57:00
Cash and I did look at the options about doing a. 01:57:10
Automatic wedge. 01:57:13
Barrier that would come up in case. I would love to. I would love to go down that route back in my old days. 01:57:14
But. 01:57:22
In seriousness, moving further on where with that trail connection with we would. 01:57:24
Make modifications along the Gammon Park side. 01:57:29
And make the trail connection. 01:57:33
Actually connect into the Gammon Park trail system as well. 01:57:35
Moving further South to Vineyard, can I, excuse me, Vineyard, the elementary now the intersection with the. 01:57:39
With the Orms to these the lakeside park. 01:57:45
Working with Orem City diligently, this is something that. 01:57:49
Morgan and I have, you know, been fishing for for three years now with Arm City. 01:57:53
That's where they're going to realign their parking lot. 01:57:59
Entrance exit. 01:58:02
Parking lot in order to line up to the. 01:58:04
Other to the South like. 01:58:07
As well as adding a. 01:58:10
Moving forward, potentially adding a. 01:58:14
Traffic signal there. 01:58:16
As well and Petrovic signal to include pedestrian crossing of course. 01:58:18
And. 01:58:23
Yeah, if it doesn't crossing. 01:58:25
We're going back to the Mountain Association of Government in regards because it does, that does come with an additional fee. 01:58:27
On that and of course. 01:58:34
So those are planning hands getting ready for construction. 01:58:38
The over at the 400 S we did meet with the developer in regards to going through their initial design, the plans. 01:58:41
On their initial plans for the road. 01:58:52
Construction. 01:58:55
On that particular item. 01:58:57
And Morgan, myself, and a few others. 01:58:59
Discussed discuss include incorporating. 01:59:03
Bicycle. 01:59:07
Lanes in the railway. 01:59:08
Thanks into the roadway. 01:59:11
So when the final designs do come. 01:59:13
We will make sure that that's coordinated through the planning office to the appropriate. 01:59:15
ATC, active transportation. 01:59:20
Mission and planning as well. 01:59:22
For that. 01:59:24
I always have a lot of stuff. 01:59:27
Oh, sorry. And then? 01:59:29
Kind of going back into planning pedestrians. 01:59:31
We have to sign a contract for it. 01:59:35
A traffic signal at 400 N and Mill Rd. 01:59:38
On that and that traffic signal does include pedestrian crossing. 01:59:45
As well as I've been working with the planners. 01:59:48
And the engineering in terms of? 01:59:51
Items we can do to make that more pedestrian. 01:59:55
Friendly. 01:59:57
More than just the traffic signal. 01:59:59
On that, that's just a small bit of. 02:00:01
A lot of things that the planners have been working on. 02:00:03
Engineering that supports them. 02:00:06
All right. Thank you. Thanks. 02:00:09
All right. 02:00:12
That is everything. 02:00:14
I think we can adjourn. 02:00:16
OK, we're adjourned. 02:00:18
Thank you everyone. 02:00:19
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