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| All right. | 00:00:00 | |
| Thank you everybody for coming. We're gonna go ahead and get started. Welcome to the City of Veneer Planning Commission meeting. | 00:00:02 | |
| Of May 7th, 2025. | 00:00:10 | |
| Uh, we're gonna start with item number one, which is our call to order. | 00:00:14 | |
| Order has been called. | 00:00:18 | |
| And an invocation by kid. | 00:00:20 | |
| And then the Pledge of regions. | 00:00:23 | |
| Perfect and heavenly Father, we're thankful for this beautiful day which we've been given for the opportunity that we have to | 00:00:28 | |
| gather as. | 00:00:30 | |
| Umm, residents and citizens of of Vineyard. | 00:00:33 | |
| And we're thankful for this opportunity to. | 00:00:37 | |
| To commit. | 00:00:40 | |
| To our city and umm. | 00:00:42 | |
| Try to make it better for ourselves and for our families. And we're thankful for all that that goes into making this a great place | 00:00:44 | |
| to live. We have to be here with us tonight. | 00:00:48 | |
| Ask questions and make decisions that umm. | 00:00:53 | |
| We will know how how to proceed. Father, we ask this out, please. | 00:00:55 | |
| Help us to. | 00:00:59 | |
| To be good stewards. And we ask these things in the name of Jesus Christ, Amen. | 00:01:01 | |
| Mm-hmm. Alright. | 00:01:07 | |
| By the reason she was plaque. | 00:01:10 | |
| The United States of America. | 00:01:13 | |
| And to have our first quarter which is? | 00:01:16 | |
| Organization, underdraft, individual with liberty and justice. Cross. | 00:01:19 | |
| Thank you. Thank you so much. | 00:01:25 | |
| Alright, we're going to have a slight modification to the agenda before moving on to item number 2, which is our storm water | 00:01:29 | |
| training. | 00:01:34 | |
| We will uh, first have a business item 5.6, which is the public hearing for the Utah City Zoning text amendment. | 00:01:38 | |
| Unless there are any objections. | 00:01:48 | |
| Getting none? Well, let's just go ahead and do that and then we'll continue on in the agenda as has been published. | 00:01:51 | |
| So we'll start with stuff. | 00:01:57 | |
| And cash. | 00:02:00 | |
| Good. Uh, this should be loading here. We do have a brief presentation by the African Bronx and with Flagborough. | 00:02:02 | |
| Umm, in brief summary, they this is not initiated. The only question on the text amendment. | 00:02:08 | |
| Umm, And we can just go through the presentation and you can kind of see the updated language of what they're proposing. | 00:02:13 | |
| Umm, and we asked them to kind of show what the outcome of the zoning text amendment will be. So if you do recommend approval when | 00:02:19 | |
| it goes through through City Council, what are the kind of changes that could be implemented throughout the Utah City development? | 00:02:24 | |
| I'll let Bronson run away with the presentation here. | 00:02:30 | |
| OK, so, umm, the way I kind of laid this out is these are kind of the four different items that we're looking to amend. | 00:02:40 | |
| In the form based code for uh, the downtown. | 00:02:47 | |
| And so we'll kind of just talk about what's changing. | 00:02:51 | |
| And I think so after this cash will show exactly the changes. This is kind of. | 00:02:55 | |
| Just a a summary and then I'll show like an application of how we're planning on. | 00:03:01 | |
| Umm, using that that amendment. So go ahead to the next one. | 00:03:06 | |
| Umm. So in the use table we're we're adding in a commercial outdoor recreational use. | 00:03:12 | |
| And we're removing that use from the prohibited list. | 00:03:18 | |
| So if you go to the next one, what we're. | 00:03:22 | |
| A lot of you already know about the Wellness Center and the resort pool. | 00:03:25 | |
| So in the code that's just kind of allows this to happen. | 00:03:28 | |
| Umm, this is the current layout that we're now in for site plan review. | 00:03:32 | |
| Uh, site plan amendment. | 00:03:38 | |
| Umm, in a separate application for this, some of the pool shapes have changed. | 00:03:40 | |
| They're reflecting more of the architectural style of the building. | 00:03:45 | |
| Umm and then the other area that we're looking that is also submitted for a site plan, umm, application is the Shitasity Rocket | 00:03:50 | |
| Club. So if you go to the next one cash. | 00:03:55 | |
| Uh, it's basically a pickle ball complex with. | 00:04:00 | |
| A basketball court and then those three courts going north-south. | 00:04:04 | |
| Umm, our Fidel court. | 00:04:09 | |
| And if you don't know about Fidel yet. | 00:04:11 | |
| Search Fidel PADEL. | 00:04:14 | |
| And it's just like an up and coming sport that looks super fun. | 00:04:17 | |
| And then, uh, one thing that this site plan that we're, we're making a change is there will be also two tennis courts in this | 00:04:21 | |
| area. | 00:04:24 | |
| So that's kind of the application of how we are, why we're asking to amend the code to allow for commercial outdoor recreational | 00:04:28 | |
| use. | 00:04:32 | |
| Umm, and then the flexible building. | 00:04:38 | |
| Uh, what we're looking to do is have a little bit of flexibility on the building type in the code. | 00:04:41 | |
| Some a as we've been planning some of these areas out and some of our. | 00:04:47 | |
| Our district energy umm. | 00:04:52 | |
| Umm infrastructure. We need to use umm some shipping containers like module, modular building. | 00:04:55 | |
| Umm to have some boiler systems and and things for the district energy. | 00:05:01 | |
| And then in the pickleball court area, we're gonna do some restrooms out of the shipping container. | 00:05:06 | |
| Umm, this is kind of what some of those will look like. | 00:05:12 | |
| The amendment in the code would just allow us to have a little bit of flexibility on building type people come in. Some of them | 00:05:16 | |
| are. These are all temporary and will eventually come out. | 00:05:21 | |
| When the property develops to it, umm. | 00:05:25 | |
| It's future use, which you know will be more urban. | 00:05:29 | |
| Uh, dense construction. Umm. | 00:05:33 | |
| And then in the lake Promenade uses UMM. | 00:05:36 | |
| We're just making. | 00:05:39 | |
| We're we're adding a use table in the the lake promenade. There's already a table of kind of what the requirements are of the lake | 00:05:41 | |
| Promenade. | 00:05:45 | |
| And we're adding a couple of uses in there which. | 00:05:49 | |
| Allows us to do the Wellness and resort pool. | 00:05:52 | |
| Uh, function in this is the block four of the the. | 00:05:56 | |
| The promenade is now called the Green Line. | 00:06:02 | |
| The promenade is like an open space type and the name of that open space type is the green line. | 00:06:05 | |
| And inside that this. | 00:06:11 | |
| Kind of the white buildings in the middle. | 00:06:13 | |
| We're gonna bring a restaurant into that larger building. In the middle will be a restaurant and then the. | 00:06:15 | |
| Five buildings on the north, the smaller buildings and the five buildings on the South. | 00:06:21 | |
| Will be little retail shops like this? | 00:06:24 | |
| And so we felt like it was necessary to amend the code to allow for retail to happen. | 00:06:28 | |
| Uh, inside of the. | 00:06:33 | |
| The green Line. | 00:06:35 | |
| And the restaurant as well. | 00:06:37 | |
| And then finally, our last one is a Fintech amendment. | 00:06:39 | |
| Umm, there was an existing sign type which is a corner sign which allowed for a vertical sign on the corner of the building. | 00:06:43 | |
| And we're proposing to kind of take that same idea, but move it into the middle of the building, so instead of a corner. | 00:06:50 | |
| Sign type. It's gonna. It'll be a blade sign. | 00:06:57 | |
| So in the table you'll see corner slash blade. | 00:07:00 | |
| And we feel like that will help accommodate this. | 00:07:03 | |
| The final. | 00:07:06 | |
| So this is this is the blade sign that we're proposing on the the building that's closest to completion, it's called 120 bend. | 00:07:08 | |
| Umm, And this is a sign that we're proposing to put on the north side of the building like a long fixing lane. | 00:07:15 | |
| And if you go to the next one, cash this is. | 00:07:22 | |
| How it looks from a building. | 00:07:24 | |
| So those are the the summary of the amendments and how we plan to apply them. And then cash, I guess you can kind of go through | 00:07:27 | |
| more in detail exactly how the code changes to accommodate that. | 00:07:32 | |
| Let me know if you have any questions. I can come back up. OK, Thanks. | 00:07:37 | |
| Umm, we'll have cash then. Explaining how the ordinance would amend the code based off the request here. | 00:07:41 | |
| And then we'll have any com umm, questions for staff or the applicant. So yeah, so I've displayed up here just to use tablet was | 00:07:48 | |
| talking about here. So we've added commercial, umm, commercial commercial outdoor recreation. | 00:07:55 | |
| We have a conditional in the downtown station and then permitted. | 00:08:02 | |
| And downtown McKee sales general lakefront commercial and not limited in lakefront residential. | 00:08:05 | |
| We did also add flexible commercial modules, umm, as conditional across the board there. | 00:08:09 | |
| Umm, and then you can see here we struck out the commercial for recreation from the prohibited list. | 00:08:15 | |
| Umm, down here, this is where we get into kind of the design criteria of the flexible commercial models. It's kind of a unique | 00:08:21 | |
| use. | 00:08:24 | |
| Umm, we, we didn't feel that it was quite an accessory structure and so we wanted to to draft up its own kind of language. | 00:08:28 | |
| Umm, so you know, we have them. It's it's designed to support temporary, long term or pop up commercial uses, including retail. | 00:08:34 | |
| Food service or cultural programming? | 00:08:43 | |
| Umm. They can be located umm in any of those areas that I mentioned, as well as open place, open spaces, urban plazas, courtyards, | 00:08:45 | |
| parks, umm or parcels that are undeveloped or waiting to be constructed. | 00:08:51 | |
| Umm and then the, the third section is we do have kind of design criteria that we want to make sure that these don't necessarily | 00:08:57 | |
| look like just shipping containers. We want to make sure that they're, they're elevated and they sit within the, the built | 00:09:03 | |
| environment. And as you saw from, from the umm images Bronson display, that's what they're proposing to do. | 00:09:09 | |
| Umm. | 00:09:15 | |
| Further down, this is the use table for the the promenade itself and you'll see. | 00:09:16 | |
| We have some uses here. We have the aquatic facility, employee commercial and the flexible commercial modules. | 00:09:21 | |
| Umm, A conditional use. So sorry, there's quite a commercial one with conditional use. The other two are permitted. | 00:09:27 | |
| Umm same thing in in Plaza we we added the the use table there for the flexible commercial modules. | 00:09:36 | |
| As commercial use. | 00:09:44 | |
| Oh and then oh the sign this is the the last edit right here you can see it says corner slash blade time. | 00:09:45 | |
| We have a maximum of 40 feet. | 00:09:53 | |
| Umm and a fine area of 45 school. | 00:09:55 | |
| Uh, square feet. | 00:09:58 | |
| Uh, one thing I, I do want to recommend that we do add into the, the language of that fine type, umm, as you saw from that, uh. | 00:10:00 | |
| Image that that bronzing display is that we. | 00:10:06 | |
| So they're kind of wrapping the base of the pole with bricks, so it appears is like attached to the building. | 00:10:10 | |
| Umm, and so we did want to add in that that condition that the all void signs, umm. | 00:10:16 | |
| So the base of them are around to uh. | 00:10:20 | |
| All right, I have blinds right here. Uh, they must be wrapped up if you're connected to the adjacent building to solid. | 00:10:23 | |
| Right there. | 00:10:31 | |
| Yeah. And cash maybe just on that. | 00:10:32 | |
| I I think we're OK with that if in the case where some of the blade signs may not be connected to the ground, but this one, if we | 00:10:34 | |
| can just attach it to the building. | 00:10:39 | |
| That would that would be normally our preferred way if if there's like a full date to the blade time. | 00:10:43 | |
| That'll be wrapped. | 00:10:49 | |
| Wonderful SO. | 00:10:52 | |
| That that's all that I have. | 00:10:53 | |
| OK. Thank you. | 00:10:54 | |
| Umm, which members, uh, first? Are there any questions for either cash or for the applicant? | 00:10:57 | |
| No. | 00:11:06 | |
| Seeing none. OK, umm, I have a few questions. Uh, primarily for cash, so. | 00:11:07 | |
| Get ready. OK, so first, umm, can you provide a little background information on why the outdoor rec area use was prohibited in | 00:11:13 | |
| the 1st place? Do you recall why that was a consideration? I might ask Morgan. That was before my time here. I don't know if he | 00:11:19 | |
| remembers that. | 00:11:25 | |
| Umm, so the the code has been modified several times, uh, times the. | 00:11:32 | |
| Umm I I this is probably our since I've been here for 9 years, it's like our 12 times it always gets too. | 00:11:37 | |
| Umm, but just just generally kind of what we've looked at with the science code is, umm, trying to correct. | 00:11:46 | |
| Oh, I'm sorry. OK. | 00:11:54 | |
| I apologize. I I mean through the the next report pretty good. | 00:11:56 | |
| So during, during the, uh, during the downtown discussion, umm, we really just looked at kind of the uses that, that we thought | 00:12:00 | |
| would be the most appropriate, umm. | 00:12:04 | |
| The algo recreation, uh. | 00:12:09 | |
| Umm, and and that it wasn't like a really. | 00:12:11 | |
| About it, but it was. | 00:12:14 | |
| We potentially could get things that would take up land that. | 00:12:15 | |
| Is gonna be kind of your, your prime, uh, retail land, umm, that we want from an economic development standpoint to help drive. | 00:12:19 | |
| Kind of our, our future sales tax, umm, and so there, there there's concerns about just having, uh. | 00:12:25 | |
| Really large uses that brought in, uh, fair, fairly little, little bit of, of tax value and well, one of those at the time we were | 00:12:31 | |
| talking about. | 00:12:35 | |
| Umm, large, uh, soccer complex that would be out outdoor. It wasn't with the development, but there were scenes like that that | 00:12:39 | |
| were coming into the city. Umm. | 00:12:42 | |
| That that could potentially gobble up like 10 to 20 acres of land. Umm. | 00:12:46 | |
| So there there was definitely some fear that we would take up our prime, umm, like sales tax generating, umm, area with really | 00:12:50 | |
| large, uh, commercial out authorization. So but what what's looking to propose actually makes mix. | 00:12:57 | |
| OK, thank you. That was exactly what I assumed as well. I just wanted to confirm it. The uses proposed tonight, it really does mix | 00:13:05 | |
| well with uh. | 00:13:09 | |
| Retail and commercial oriented. | 00:13:14 | |
| Uh, business and development of the commercial use, but it also provides kind of an amenity for the residents. Yeah. So I think | 00:13:16 | |
| having it in that specific district is perfectly appropriate. Umm. | 00:13:22 | |
| Second uh, regarding the flexible commercial node. | 00:13:27 | |
| Uh, current code does not outright prohibit. | 00:13:31 | |
| Said flexible commercial nodes. | 00:13:34 | |
| Umm, is the purpose behind the ordinance just to explicitly allow it? | 00:13:37 | |
| When, as it is currently stated, it's just assumed. | 00:13:42 | |
| Uh, yeah, our, our zoning code does prohibit the use of, of shipping containers to use with like storage and stuff like that. And | 00:13:46 | |
| so we just wanted to make sure that it was, you know, there's no Gray area, there's very black and white that we are going to | 00:13:52 | |
| allow these as this very specific type of use. Wonderful. OK, thank you. | 00:13:57 | |
| Umm, I have seen those done. | 00:14:03 | |
| Very well, umm, one of the developments that comes to mind is the Churchill, which is in Phoenix. | 00:14:06 | |
| Uh, which uses. | 00:14:11 | |
| Uh, kind of. That rustic architecture look for a very cool, dare I say hit, umm, commercial space. | 00:14:13 | |
| And so I think that. | 00:14:21 | |
| Then pop up. | 00:14:53 | |
| Stores that will generate sales tax revenue for the city and provide more retail opportunities for residents. So we're supportive | 00:14:55 | |
| of that too. Excellent. OK. | 00:14:58 | |
| Then lastly, uh. | 00:15:02 | |
| Umm, when it comes to the amendment to the sign section. | 00:15:04 | |
| Uh, we're just formalizing that. We're considering blade signs, corner signs. | 00:15:08 | |
| Umm, because again, there's an amazing thing in it right now that prohibits nor allows life signs. So we just thought we'd | 00:15:13 | |
| formalize it along with the condition that, yeah, we, we won't be specific that we weren't going to allow say like a full sign in | 00:15:18 | |
| the downtown. We didn't feel like that was a fitting setting for the, for the downtown or sitting behind the downtown. So we wanna | 00:15:23 | |
| be very specific. This is. | 00:15:28 | |
| Very similar to that corner pipeline, you know. And so that's where we felt it fit back. I agree. I think that's very appropriate. | 00:15:33 | |
| OK. | 00:15:42 | |
| Umm, if there's not more discussion. | 00:15:43 | |
| I'd like to open the public hearing. | 00:15:45 | |
| All right. And so public hearing has officially opened. Umm, any members of the public who have any comments or questions? | 00:15:48 | |
| Uh, please feel free to do so right now. | 00:15:56 | |
| Hi, David Loray. | 00:16:11 | |
| Yeah, I I wanted to ask a couple questions about the use of shipping containers. | 00:16:14 | |
| Umm. | 00:16:18 | |
| I guess I'm not a fan of a trash sheet, but I guess some people are. | 00:16:20 | |
| At the business, I guess, do you think it does? | 00:16:24 | |
| Umm, but I'm wondering, uh, we've talked about. | 00:16:26 | |
| To be used with temporary structures for things like, uh, restrooms, things like that. | 00:16:29 | |
| What's the guarantee that those will not be replaced at some point with a more permanent, appropriate structure? | 00:16:33 | |
| Uh, one question. | 00:16:40 | |
| Umm also umm. | 00:16:42 | |
| Uh, you wanted to bring them in for for easy use of pop up businesses. | 00:16:44 | |
| Uh, what's to stop them from being used for a pop up tiny houses? | 00:16:48 | |
| And things like that. So advise a big chunk of land and. | 00:16:53 | |
| And put it across a a shipping container on it and makes a little house on it. | 00:16:56 | |
| Can we, uh, is, is that also allowed or is that prohibited? | 00:17:00 | |
| You need to figure that out. | 00:17:04 | |
| Umm. | 00:17:06 | |
| So, uh, and also if, if we are gonna use these temporary things, I, I. | 00:17:07 | |
| I I wonder, uh. | 00:17:11 | |
| Well, first of all, what's the guarantee that they'll be replaced at some point? Umm, and with what? And what was the time frame | 00:17:12 | |
| of that being? | 00:17:16 | |
| So we would you know, we need to know that if if we're getting permanent, let's just stay there permit. | 00:17:20 | |
| If an offering permit, let's talk about. | 00:17:24 | |
| What, you know the schedule for getting them replaced and made, uh, if there was something permit, umm, also, I know there's also | 00:17:26 | |
| talk about a. | 00:17:31 | |
| Umm, a test court on the block with the pickle ball, Fidel. | 00:17:35 | |
| Uh, I don't see that. I don't see that anywhere. | 00:17:39 | |
| Maybe they could point that out, uh, when it comes to answering our questions. | 00:17:43 | |
| Umm, I. | 00:17:47 | |
| I think that's it for now. | 00:17:49 | |
| Thanks. Thank you, David. | 00:17:52 | |
| OK. | 00:17:54 | |
| Umm, we'll continue the rest of the public hearing and then when we close the public hearing, we'll address this question. | 00:17:55 | |
| Uh, are there any other comments? | 00:18:01 | |
| Uh, James Pierce. | 00:18:08 | |
| Umm, I also do have a question with those flexible buildings. Umm. | 00:18:10 | |
| Uh, what? | 00:18:14 | |
| What percentage of the land is gonna be used for flexible building These flexible buildings and. | 00:18:16 | |
| What percentage on that set area are gonna be built originally permanent? | 00:18:21 | |
| And and how much it's gonna be used for this flexible building, OK. | 00:18:28 | |
| Thank you. | 00:18:35 | |
| You never did a question, OK. | 00:18:38 | |
| Sorry, I remember the other question. | 00:18:41 | |
| So how much? Uh, my question was about the sales tax income? | 00:18:42 | |
| Umm, the idea of, uh, of not allowing these kinds of things initially that the, uh. | 00:18:45 | |
| The commercial area and I suppose these temporary things as well, was that we impede the development of some significant sales tax | 00:18:51 | |
| income which our city desperately needs. | 00:18:56 | |
| And so far, we're already developing lots and lots of residential uses. | 00:19:02 | |
| But we're not and and we have the hospital coming, which is wonderful. | 00:19:07 | |
| But we don't have a lot. | 00:19:10 | |
| Of, you know, of, uh, sales tax, uh, generating facilities here. Let's, uh, what's, uh. | 00:19:12 | |
| What's the plan for that if we're using these things, uh. | 00:19:19 | |
| For a temporary basis, what's the plan to replace them with a permit? | 00:19:22 | |
| Sales tax sharing facility. | 00:19:25 | |
| Thanks. | 00:19:27 | |
| Thanks. | 00:19:31 | |
| Are there any other comments or questions? | 00:19:33 | |
| All right, then we will close the public hearing. | 00:19:38 | |
| Umm, I'm gonna rely on staff for some of these, but first. | 00:19:43 | |
| I'd just like to make a couple of comments. | 00:19:48 | |
| Uh, so first when it comes to the temporary structure. | 00:19:50 | |
| Umm, do we know? | 00:19:54 | |
| What the process will look like? It looks like this code. | 00:19:56 | |
| Is simply allowing it as a conditional use. | 00:20:00 | |
| So. | 00:20:03 | |
| Some of these questions that were raised tonight as part of that conditional process. | 00:20:04 | |
| Who would that ultimately be going to UMM? If they need to apply for a conditional use permit to back up for this body, the | 00:20:09 | |
| council or the staff? Could be a planning question. | 00:20:13 | |
| One item. | 00:20:18 | |
| OK. | 00:20:19 | |
| Yeah, that, that's our add on to that would be a site plan. They submit a site plan with the conditional use, yes. And so a lot of | 00:20:20 | |
| the questions about is this a temporary use or a temporary structure, is it going to be food, retail or residence, Any of those | 00:20:27 | |
| would be considered during that conditional use permit application period and it would really be on a case by case basis rather | 00:20:34 | |
| than right now outright approving anything or nothing. | 00:20:40 | |
| So. | 00:20:47 | |
| Umm, it's just allowing them to submit an application for conditional use in the future. | 00:20:48 | |
| Umm, I. | 00:20:54 | |
| Get the concern about what's stopping it from being residences? | 00:20:58 | |
| Umm, again that would be addressed in the conditional use flexible commercial module. Exactly. Yeah, we, we put out on a provision | 00:21:02 | |
| if, if, if any question recommends saying like no housing maybe from within the flexible commercial models. I don't imagine the | 00:21:07 | |
| applicants planning on doing this so. | 00:21:12 | |
| If if that's something that people want to do, we, we can add that in. That's right. Yeah. I, I personally don't see the need for | 00:21:19 | |
| that. I do. | 00:21:23 | |
| I'm very familiar with how these developments typically go. | 00:21:28 | |
| And umm, the temporary uses in there allow what I have found at least. | 00:21:32 | |
| Umm, chefs that are in the startup business and maybe can't quite afford a truck or can't afford a brick and mortar space. This is | 00:21:39 | |
| a great way for them to get into the game, really start and test their product out. Umm. | 00:21:45 | |
| It's a fantastic incubator of sorts on a retail or food, umm, realm so. | 00:21:52 | |
| Understood. Umm. | 00:22:00 | |
| Umm, so what's the guarantee of the temporary structure won't be replaced with a permanent structure that again would be addressed | 00:22:01 | |
| during the conditional use permit period where we understand if these are in for just a certain period of time or an extended long | 00:22:06 | |
| period of time case by case basis? | 00:22:11 | |
| Uh can be used as proper presents as we address time frame on when they will be up and for how long we just addressed. | 00:22:17 | |
| Uh, the tennis court I believe is being addressed with the paddle court that were put down. Yeah, that, that'll be site plan maybe | 00:22:23 | |
| in, in two weeks, but it depends on essentially the, the approval from or the recommendations might in City Council. | 00:22:30 | |
| They'll then come back through with site plan that will actually show where the tennis court is and and all those changes. They | 00:22:37 | |
| just wanted to give you an idea of what could look like. There will still be a racket based correct? | 00:22:42 | |
| Sports venue? OK, wonderful. | 00:22:47 | |
| Umm, and would this impede sales tax at all? I believe that umm, the whole purpose of this is to generate more commercial | 00:22:50 | |
| activity, which would lead to more sales tax. | 00:22:55 | |
| Umm, what percentage of land would be used as flexible? Umm. | 00:23:01 | |
| Uh, the kind of shipping container structures, umm, compared to traditional brick and mortar or more permanent building? | 00:23:04 | |
| Again, I think that is something to be considered at the time of each conditional use permit, so I would I don't necessarily want | 00:23:12 | |
| to propose a cap. | 00:23:17 | |
| But. | 00:23:23 | |
| I think it is worth. | 00:23:24 | |
| Umm, making that a part of the conditional use permit application. | 00:23:26 | |
| To kind of show the ratio so it doesn't become overwhelming. | 00:23:30 | |
| Do you feel that that is fair? | 00:23:35 | |
| OK. | 00:23:38 | |
| OK, uh, before we open it up for any motion or vote, do any of you have any comments or questions? | 00:23:41 | |
| OK. | 00:23:51 | |
| Umm, this is. | 00:23:52 | |
| The requested motion was to recommend either approval or denial. Uh. | 00:23:54 | |
| To the City Council, who ultimately, uh, has the final vote on this. | 00:23:59 | |
| Do we have a motion? | 00:24:03 | |
| And I would remind that if someone's making a motion to recommend approval that they would have the condition that we discussed | 00:24:05 | |
| that the blade sign should be wrapped to appear connected. | 00:24:10 | |
| To the adjacent building facade or connected to the building itself. | 00:24:15 | |
| So is there a motion? | 00:24:19 | |
| Uh yeah. Is it this one, 2025-4? | 00:24:23 | |
| Can I move to recommend approval of Ordinance 2025-4? | 00:24:26 | |
| With the amendment. | 00:24:31 | |
| With the signs that if they're it's disconnected to the ground that it be appear wrapped and connected to the building or. | 00:24:33 | |
| Connected to the building. | 00:24:41 | |
| To the City Council. | 00:24:42 | |
| Great. Is there a second? | 00:24:44 | |
| OK, OK. All in favor. | 00:24:46 | |
| All right, all right. Any post? | 00:24:48 | |
| None. Thanks. | 00:24:51 | |
| Thank you. | 00:24:53 | |
| OK, we are now returning to our agenda as originally published, starting with, uh, Item 2, which is the presentation. | 00:24:57 | |
| For an eagerly anticipated storm water training. | 00:25:06 | |
| Uh, and so I will pass the time on to staff. | 00:25:10 | |
| Testing. | 00:25:22 | |
| Testing. | 00:25:23 | |
| You can hear me. | 00:25:29 | |
| OK. | 00:25:30 | |
| Hey, I'm Justine Marshall. I'm the new city Ms. board coordinator and floodplain manager. | 00:25:40 | |
| So. | 00:25:47 | |
| I was gonna learn about Fort Waters tonight. | 00:25:48 | |
| The big picture. | 00:25:51 | |
| The veneers storm drains MC to Utah Lake and our approximately to Utah Lake. | 00:25:53 | |
| Uh, makes it a big focal point. | 00:25:59 | |
| On stormwater runoff management. | 00:26:01 | |
| Uh Utah Lake is already on the Utah division water quality. | 00:26:05 | |
| 303 list which is a list of. | 00:26:09 | |
| Water quality is in the state of Utah and their condition. | 00:26:12 | |
| So you tell leak is already impaired for nutrients like phosphorus and nitrogen. | 00:26:16 | |
| And then, uh, the harmful algal bloom outbreak that we see. | 00:26:22 | |
| So. | 00:26:27 | |
| I'm hoping after this stormwater training you guys will have a better understanding on how your long term and current planning | 00:26:28 | |
| decisions has an impact on firmware quality. | 00:26:33 | |
| Can I just talk later? No, you just talk about it. OK. Were you on my? | 00:26:38 | |
| OK, OK. | 00:26:51 | |
| So I understand. So Justine Marshall, verified bloodplan manager. | 00:26:55 | |
| Next slide. | 00:26:59 | |
| So why are we here? So we have an MS-4 permit. | 00:27:02 | |
| For the new city, that requires us to manage our storm water runoff to make sure that the storm water going into Utah Lake is the | 00:27:06 | |
| highest quality, uh, reducing pollutant load in that runoff. | 00:27:12 | |
| So that requires we do an annual training of all stormwater relevant staff and then we train all new hires within 60 days. | 00:27:19 | |
| And you guys are like, wait, what? I'm not staff. Well, Utah State law actually treats appointed officials as stormwater relevant | 00:27:27 | |
| employees for the city. | 00:27:31 | |
| Uh, when development decisions are on the agenda. | 00:27:35 | |
| Next slide. | 00:27:39 | |
| So we're just gonna do a crash course on the support permit is? | 00:27:41 | |
| We're gonna go over the Clean Water Authority, which created the permit program. We're gonna go over the goals of our MSOL | 00:27:45 | |
| program. And then which includes 6 minimum control measures. | 00:27:50 | |
| And then we'll go over like the reporting clock, like we have these deadlines to hit. When are those? | 00:27:56 | |
| So the Clean Water Act. | 00:28:02 | |
| UH designated the Utah Division of Water Quality to oversee their national pollutant elimination. | 00:28:06 | |
| Discharge system permit and then the state of Utah. | 00:28:14 | |
| UH gives authorization, so it's large in our stores and small Ms. stores. | 00:28:19 | |
| So any once you reach 10,000 people population you qualify for that. | 00:28:23 | |
| Small and that's for program permit and then once your population reaches 100,000 people then you're considered a large and that's | 00:28:29 | |
| four and you have more permit requirements. | 00:28:32 | |
| Well fingers crossed and it'll never reach 100,000 people so we'll always be in that small in the sports permit world. | 00:28:37 | |
| So but but there so MS-4 stands for multiple. | 00:28:44 | |
| Storm water sewer system but and and then four s s. | 00:28:48 | |
| And then the goal is to reduce the point to the maximum extent tactical, so like. | 00:28:53 | |
| We might have someone come in and be like, oh, we don't want any pollution going into Utah Lake. Well, is that actually practical | 00:28:59 | |
| as economically feasible, if even achievable? Likely not. So we have this permit that guides us on like what is actually | 00:29:03 | |
| achievable. | 00:29:07 | |
| And that includes the six minimum control measures. | 00:29:12 | |
| And then we have to submit an annual report every October 1st. | 00:29:15 | |
| Saying like what we did this year, we have to evaluate our program. | 00:29:19 | |
| Next slide. | 00:29:24 | |
| So big picture, we're managing stormwater runoff so that we're going into our lake is. | 00:29:26 | |
| For a pollutant, especially that phosphorus, nitrogen. | 00:29:32 | |
| And anything that contributes to the toxic algal bloom. | 00:29:35 | |
| And we have to focus on has to like. | 00:29:39 | |
| With the ticket into account, those current impairments when we draft this document called the Stormwater Management plan. | 00:29:43 | |
| And. | 00:29:50 | |
| So, and we're literally on the hook for this permit. | 00:29:51 | |
| If we don't follow the permit, the state's gonna come in and be like, OK, we're gonna manage it. You guys aren't doing a good job. | 00:29:55 | |
| I'll swap that for some signs. | 00:30:00 | |
| I used to work for the Division of Water Quality. We're actually wrote those notice of violations. | 00:30:02 | |
| Settled the city's loan penalties. | 00:30:07 | |
| So we we don't want that. We wanna take our permit, we wanna follow it, we wanna show we're a good stewards of the state. | 00:30:10 | |
| Next slide. | 00:30:16 | |
| So what are these six women control measures that the nearest city needs to be in compliance department? | 00:30:17 | |
| So the first one is we have to connect public education outreach. | 00:30:23 | |
| So we had an Earth Day event in April where we planted 3000. | 00:30:27 | |
| Siblings on Utah Lake, getting a trash clean up. Any event like that where you're engaging with the public and teaching them about | 00:30:31 | |
| some water runoff, you're, you're basically saying, hey, we only want rain in our SO drains. | 00:30:37 | |
| Like pick up your trash. Don't put your gas clippings in the gutter. | 00:30:44 | |
| And then so the next one is public engagement involvement, which is when you guys come in like you guys have public hearings. | 00:30:48 | |
| We also have to do similar public engagement and involvement where anytime we wanna update our Miss 4 stormwater ordinances, we | 00:30:55 | |
| have to get the public's input on that. Have a public hearing for the City Council, get your guys's approval. | 00:31:02 | |
| The next one is. | 00:31:09 | |
| Illicit discharge and detection. So anything that isn't storm water that goes into our in the source system or into Utah Lake. | 00:31:10 | |
| Is considered. | 00:31:18 | |
| A discharge. So like sediment, oil, concrete. | 00:31:21 | |
| Things like that. | 00:31:25 | |
| So we have to, anytime there's like an illicit discharge complaint, we have to investigate that. | 00:31:27 | |
| And then we have to document our follow up actions and then we have to keep track on a map, OK, where are these things happening? | 00:31:32 | |
| Is there like a high priority area that we need to focus on? Is there a source of the solicit discharge? | 00:31:37 | |
| And then every year we have to evaluate how effective our program is at identifying. | 00:31:43 | |
| Has anyone hooked up to our sanitary sewer or Stillwater sewer illegally? | 00:31:48 | |
| And then #4 is construction. So like we're building vendors, so. | 00:31:52 | |
| Oh, some of the common construction firmware violations we see is sediment tracking on site. | 00:31:56 | |
| The the dust control and it gets really windy. Umm, we see a lot of like. | 00:32:02 | |
| Uh, concrete washout it, it gets that capacity, contractors are busy. So then. | 00:32:07 | |
| There's like overthrow dumping. | 00:32:13 | |
| Concrete. | 00:32:15 | |
| And when concrete is dry, it's not a problem. It's when it's in that flurry wet form. It has a piece of 12 to 14. If that gets | 00:32:17 | |
| into our storm drains, we have to spend money, time, resources cleaning those out. If they get the new public 'cause the fish | 00:32:22 | |
| kill, we can get in trouble state. | 00:32:26 | |
| So then we move on to amendment control Measure 5. That's long term strong order management. | 00:32:31 | |
| So the state has this requirement. | 00:32:36 | |
| Where we have to retain the first. | 00:32:38 | |
| Like flush of a storm for every half it half inch rain event. | 00:32:40 | |
| We have to keep that rain on site. | 00:32:45 | |
| So we use a lot of like low impact development, umm. | 00:32:47 | |
| Bioswales, the pension basis, the channel that storm water selling on this parcel. | 00:32:51 | |
| So that it takes like 24 hours to 72 hours. So let's put it in the ground. And if we're larger than half inch in precipitation | 00:32:56 | |
| like that's fine, that can run off like you don't have to manage. | 00:33:01 | |
| The path and storm event and below. | 00:33:07 | |
| And then the last minimum chemical measure is pollution prevention in the house team. So like any city owned facility like a park | 00:33:10 | |
| or public works facility, we have to have a storm water management solution for the interest plans for that. You're like, hey, we | 00:33:14 | |
| have chemicals on site, how are we gonna make sure those chemicals are managed? | 00:33:19 | |
| In a way that they're not gonna, like, still get into our storm drain. | 00:33:25 | |
| So that's kind of overview of the main control measures. | 00:33:28 | |
| Right. OK, so. | 00:33:32 | |
| How do you guys get involved? | 00:33:34 | |
| So with the development review, there's like some hot button. | 00:33:36 | |
| So there's this LAD retention standard, typical contractor thinking from like back in the day when we get news from waters like | 00:33:39 | |
| get that storm water away from the site as quickly as possible. You use curving gutter. | 00:33:45 | |
| Type it away. | 00:33:51 | |
| And that's changed. It started in the 1990s change. And let's say you want to change this on site so that we can let like natural | 00:33:52 | |
| systems clean up those pollutants. | 00:33:56 | |
| So it's kind of like a lot of education that's like, hey. | 00:34:01 | |
| See if standards are changing, these regulations are changing. We know you guys are used to doing things this way, however. | 00:34:05 | |
| It's gonna have all the higher investment of resources and class and meet these standards and trying to like get people to | 00:34:11 | |
| understand why it's important and like what the repercussions are for us if we don't do this. | 00:34:16 | |
| So like whenever we get OK, see if someone wants to come in the vineyard and build something, they're gonna submit like a | 00:34:22 | |
| construction plan. With that construction plan, they also have to submit like a great news plan showing the flow of water. And | 00:34:27 | |
| then they have to think, they have to do the calculation of what is a percentile. | 00:34:32 | |
| Like, umm, retention volume for the site, so larger parcel with a lot more concrete. They're gonna need like a larger detention | 00:34:37 | |
| basin versus if it's like a small residential house with grass. | 00:34:43 | |
| And then my conditional use permit. | 00:34:48 | |
| Umm, so that's just like. | 00:34:51 | |
| What happens if there's like non complaints or enforcement? | 00:34:53 | |
| And then long term, similar to tracking, so say this developer comes in, he's awesome. He does his calculations correctly. We're | 00:34:57 | |
| like, yeah, you're good to go. He puts the most attention basin. | 00:35:01 | |
| That detention basin is tied to that property. So say he sells that property. If someone takes over that property that's attention | 00:35:06 | |
| based and has maintenance requirements, So they have to submit an, an, uh, by annual inspection to the city every year. And if | 00:35:12 | |
| they're not doing it, our responsibility that either get them to do it or we go out there and do those inspections ourselves, | 00:35:17 | |
| which takes staff, staff time and resources. | 00:35:22 | |
| Right. And we have to keep track of those records too. | 00:35:28 | |
| So your role is just like whenever someone's coming to you with an idea, just like having the back of your head, like how is this | 00:35:31 | |
| gonna increase if, umm, impervious cover in the city? Because anytime you're laying down like roads, asphalt, buildings, roof. | 00:35:38 | |
| You're gonna increase. | 00:35:46 | |
| So, so like if you have grass or dirt, some water like infiltrates into that, you cover it up. You can't do that. Where's it gonna | 00:35:47 | |
| go? | 00:35:51 | |
| So you're willing just to keep in mind like, OK, the more we increase the impervious services and Vineyard, the more storm water | 00:35:54 | |
| management we're gonna need and that takes space? | 00:35:59 | |
| You can do it underground. There's lots of different options, which is like. | 00:36:03 | |
| Every time we like cover the ground with something someone can't get in, we need to like get it somewhere. We have to maintain | 00:36:07 | |
| these like requirements of our permit. | 00:36:11 | |
| And then like if you ever like are out and you see something, just know like, hey, if I think this is worth a discharge, I think I | 00:36:15 | |
| can only tell somebody because it's our job to check that you just give us a call. | 00:36:20 | |
| Next slide. | 00:36:26 | |
| Umm, a big huge amount of our time because Vineyard is actively building into an awesome new city is construction site. | 00:36:28 | |
| So. | 00:36:37 | |
| Every. So you submit a plan. You want to build this, you have a great idea. We're like, yeah, we love it. | 00:36:38 | |
| So what construct, what our contractors have to do is they if the site describes an acre or more of ground, they have to apply to | 00:36:44 | |
| the state, the Division of Water Quality, to get what is called an NLI. | 00:36:49 | |
| And then so that's what general construction plan the CPP is like if they're gonna build a subdivision and parcel it out and if it | 00:36:55 | |
| serves an acre greater. | 00:36:58 | |
| And that permit has a few less storm water requirements because you're disturbing less area. | 00:37:02 | |
| So on their site they have to have the sediment erosion control DMPS to prohibit. | 00:37:07 | |
| Sediment from coming off site. And if sediment is coming off site then we need to figure out like hey, why are my VMP's not | 00:37:12 | |
| working? | 00:37:15 | |
| And then umm, so. | 00:37:19 | |
| As you. | 00:37:21 | |
| Construct something you wanna phase it out because you. | 00:37:22 | |
| So you wanted to, you weren't disturbing nature, but you're only going to serve this to serve this part here, this part here, this | 00:37:25 | |
| part here. See one of phase it so you're not disturbing the entire acre all at once because the soil is exposed, then it's gonna | 00:37:29 | |
| roll off the site. | 00:37:34 | |
| It's gonna come like a. | 00:37:39 | |
| Desk control and setting it as the number one firmware pollutant. You wanna put that sediment on site? | 00:37:41 | |
| So if you're not doing that, we have an enforcement ladder where you would give you a verbal warning. | 00:37:46 | |
| If it's not corrected within a certain time frame, then we're gonna escalate it to a written notice of the deadline. | 00:37:52 | |
| And then after that it requires an additional written notice. | 00:37:57 | |
| And then at that point you can start looking at like notes of violation stop work orders. | 00:38:00 | |
| And the state just changed where we issue a citation that has penalties. | 00:38:05 | |
| Those penalties can't go into our general fund, they have to go into a special fund that's gonna be spent on minimum control | 00:38:10 | |
| measure #1 public education outreach. | 00:38:15 | |
| So those phones have to stay separate. | 00:38:21 | |
| Next slide. | 00:38:23 | |
| So then you're just, uh, vineyard studies the standard priorities. | 00:38:25 | |
| We really want to keep in mind like, hey, what is it probably compared for? Those are the points we really wanna focus on. | 00:38:29 | |
| Like, uh, mitigating and reducing in our someone run off. | 00:38:35 | |
| We're going crazy fast, which is amazing so. | 00:38:40 | |
| We want to keep in mind like mixed-use development, where we can reduce those impervious St. sections. We can have the tree | 00:38:44 | |
| canopy, which is amazing because we have the tree city. | 00:38:49 | |
| Anything that we can do as we do this, like development where we can bring in the storm water related controls. | 00:38:55 | |
| Because that's gonna reduce the heat island effect. A lot of these, umm, LED practices include green infrastructure that's gonna | 00:39:00 | |
| keep our thing is cool. | 00:39:05 | |
| And then we also have an amazing trail and park integration. So just like. | 00:39:10 | |
| Keeping that going is really, really, really important. | 00:39:14 | |
| Especially for stormwater goals. | 00:39:19 | |
| Next slide. | 00:39:20 | |
| Uh, this is just like kind of what we do all year, every every month, but November, it's like dedicated to something. So for the | 00:39:22 | |
| public education outreach, I typically try to do, uh, quarterly events for the public. | 00:39:27 | |
| Umm, we assist in our annual report. In October. We have to do an annual update of our support management plan. | 00:39:33 | |
| Umm. So yeah, this is some of the things we do next slide. | 00:39:40 | |
| And then these are some resources that I use every day if you guys are interested and you can have a storm water for some great, | 00:39:45 | |
| uh, EPA and WQ resources. | 00:39:49 | |
| There's the Utah Low Impact Development Manual. I was. | 00:39:53 | |
| **** uh, always referred contractors to you because like, we can't tell contractors how to do things. They can't be like, oh, | 00:39:56 | |
| build it this way because if they build it that way and it fails. | 00:40:00 | |
| Then we're setting ourselves up to take on the liability of like. | 00:40:05 | |
| So say we told the contractor to do their construction site, BMTS this way. It failed, the state came, They're like, hey, you did | 00:40:08 | |
| a discharge detail awake. Like we're gonna clean this up. We could potentially be on the hook for that because we're the ones who | 00:40:13 | |
| told the contractors to do it that way. | 00:40:18 | |
| So we have to, we have to give the contractors a lot of freedom, so like meet their permit requirements the way that best suits | 00:40:22 | |
| them. | 00:40:25 | |
| But also offering a guidance like, hey, you, you did this but it's not working or you did this and it's looking great like how | 00:40:29 | |
| like. | 00:40:32 | |
| Tell me how you did this. I can educate other contractors. So it's really about a partnership. | 00:40:36 | |
| Of like we're learning from each other. | 00:40:40 | |
| And then we also have our venue city Municipal Court code that. | 00:40:42 | |
| UH was a role in enforcement and then we also do a lot of work with the APWA Utah stormwater and we're a number of. | 00:40:45 | |
| The you there's a State Farm Under coalition and there's a Utah County Coalition between those meetings, and they do a lot of | 00:40:53 | |
| outreach for us too. Next. | 00:40:56 | |
| Right, and that's it. | 00:41:00 | |
| Thank you. Do you guys have any questions? | 00:41:04 | |
| Thank you so much. Umm, I don't have any questions. | 00:41:08 | |
| Great energy, great delivery. I hope your enthusiasm for stormwater OK. | 00:41:12 | |
| Thank you. | 00:41:18 | |
| OK, alright. | 00:41:19 | |
| We're moving on to item number three, Uh. | 00:41:22 | |
| Umm, I know we've already had a fund filled agenda, but there's still plenty to go. | 00:41:25 | |
| Umm, are there any? | 00:41:29 | |
| Com comments from the public for items not on the agenda. | 00:41:31 | |
| All right, seeing none, we'll move on from Item 3 to #4, which is our consent calendar, which just includes the approval of the | 00:41:37 | |
| March 16th Planning Commission meeting minutes. | 00:41:42 | |
| Uh, do we have a motion and 2nd to approve the meeting minutes? | 00:41:48 | |
| I'll make a motion to approve in the next sub March 16th. | 00:41:52 | |
| Wonderful. Do we have a second? | 00:41:56 | |
| No second. | 00:41:58 | |
| All right, all in favor. | 00:41:59 | |
| All right, all right. Any opposed? | 00:42:01 | |
| Passes unanimously. | 00:42:03 | |
| We'll now move on to, uh, the rest of our business items. | 00:42:05 | |
| With item 5.3 which is lot 6. | 00:42:09 | |
| Site plan application. | 00:42:13 | |
| Umm, our first year from staff and then the next? Yeah, great. | 00:42:15 | |
| So this is for Eastlake Lot 6, uh, site plan. | 00:42:19 | |
| You want to eat something north? | 00:42:22 | |
| Umm, I have a. | 00:42:24 | |
| Context map here, I'm gonna show you this is the site directly back to the power plant. | 00:42:26 | |
| Umm, 1750 will run right through it or the the South end of it and then the her Linden Heritage trail actually. | 00:42:31 | |
| Goes on the the north side of it. | 00:42:38 | |
| Here is the proposed site. Umm you can see it's a it's a concrete setup building umm divided with these two parking lots. Umm, | 00:42:42 | |
| they provided adequate parking parking to meet our needs. | 00:42:47 | |
| Umm they are planning a 3000 square foot office space. Umm. I don't believe they have a intended user yet, but they've had no | 00:42:52 | |
| problems building their buildings yet hopefully. | 00:42:56 | |
| Oh, they do great. | 00:43:02 | |
| So, umm, it's pretty traditional, uh, building to what, what you see up there already. Here's the landscaping, umm, as you can see | 00:43:04 | |
| along that 1750, uh, edge, they have plenty of landscaping that, that meets our requirements there. | 00:43:10 | |
| Umm, quarantine elevations real quick and then I'll kind of get into details of, of things that that we have to maybe some | 00:43:17 | |
| questions about the applicants and address. | 00:43:21 | |
| Umm you can see this is the east elevation. Umm they have a metal canopy with an entrance store. This is service like that office | 00:43:25 | |
| side of the building. | 00:43:29 | |
| Umm, and then this is the West elevation where they're gonna have more of their truck deliveries. | 00:43:33 | |
| The north elevation, this would be facing that parking lot umm and so you can see they have a employee entrance right there uh, | 00:43:38 | |
| canopy. | 00:43:42 | |
| And then here's the South elevation. So this is what would face, uh. | 00:43:47 | |
| 1750. | 00:43:50 | |
| Umm, here's some materials that they plan on using. So they have some bike racks. They have those, uh, metal canopies you can see | 00:43:52 | |
| here and then this is the colors that they're proposing. | 00:43:57 | |
| Umm, so one thing I just wanted to point out, and I was hoping Patrick would be here. Umm, I don't know if. | 00:44:03 | |
| Has any update on this So? But we did have potential. | 00:44:11 | |
| A potential issue there, There's this road that that connects with the parking lot. Umm, and along the north edge here is a ditch | 00:44:14 | |
| easement. | 00:44:18 | |
| Umm, that there's an agreement between multiple cities? | 00:44:22 | |
| Umm, and what they're planning on doing is putting in a retaining wall along the edge of the road that they can send the road up | 00:44:25 | |
| onto. | 00:44:28 | |
| And we just wanna make sure that they got all the approval from those entities that were involved in that, uh. | 00:44:32 | |
| Uh, that she's been so far, they've been able to provide most of, if not all of those agreements, but I just want to make sure. | 00:44:37 | |
| That that Patrick Scott was in. He's not here today. So we can put that as a conditional approval, but they've been great at | 00:44:43 | |
| responding to that so far. Yeah, so. | 00:44:46 | |
| I think that. | 00:44:51 | |
| Sorry, my uh, the I got the. | 00:44:58 | |
| The bug that the uh. | 00:45:01 | |
| CIA plant inside my head and it's probably character in with us. | 00:45:04 | |
| But uh, yeah. And I think that there are some of our director assistants who are assistant to engineer Patrick, uh, James, who's, | 00:45:08 | |
| uh, able to be here right now. | 00:45:12 | |
| Uh, we've had several discussions back in regards to the. | 00:45:16 | |
| That ditch. | 00:45:19 | |
| I think we're gonna stick on that pipeline. Sorry, uh, his achievement on that, uh, meeting with Linda City, Pleasant Grove. | 00:45:22 | |
| Uh, and the contractor, uh, in essence, uh, we're assuring that the storm water. | 00:45:31 | |
| We're trying to storm water out capacity, uh, does not get to impact it. | 00:45:36 | |
| Uh, as you can see, uh, Justin, uh, has given a awesome presentation about. | 00:45:41 | |
| On that and then in terms of that was the core engineers coordination and uh, allowed the contractor to move forward, uh. | 00:45:47 | |
| To and also it's showing that the improvements that you're doing are going to actually be an improvement to. | 00:45:53 | |
| Uh, to the system versus like selling out. So we feel that's, we're confident with that moving forward. | 00:46:00 | |
| On those conditions with the contractor and. | 00:46:05 | |
| Uh, as a reflection on the other side of the ditch, there there are. | 00:46:08 | |
| Improvements are going along there to improve the as far as the lending heritage trail as well, so. | 00:46:12 | |
| Yeah. So my, my condition is over here kind of the three standards that I can use. | 00:46:20 | |
| Uh, paying the outstanding fees, Red line corrections. They've been read a lot so far. They've all kind of, let's say lo local | 00:46:25 | |
| wives. They observe all ADA requirements. | 00:46:29 | |
| Umm, they provide documentation from London City and Army Corps of Engineers, uh, for the approval of fulfill and reconstruction | 00:46:33 | |
| within the desk easement, which they, they can provide a lot of that to me today, but we'll make sure Patrick will make sure | 00:46:37 | |
| everything's good there. | 00:46:41 | |
| Umm Any retaining wall constructed must meet the standards in the zoning code, and the block material must be provided as a | 00:46:45 | |
| Community Development Drug department for approval prior to installation. | 00:46:50 | |
| Umm. And then if that road is removed, if they do decide that's the best route here for whatever reason, we do wanna see | 00:46:55 | |
| additional updates with landscaping plan that shows what they plan on doing there. | 00:46:59 | |
| Umm. And then the last is that the the flag in the ditch slope is is removed as to plant the planting and growth of a native Cmake | 00:47:03 | |
| seed mix. | 00:47:07 | |
| So that's all that I have. The applicants are here. | 00:47:13 | |
| Umm, if you do have any questions for them as well if they want to add anything to my presentation. | 00:47:16 | |
| Umm. Are there any presentation or anything the applicant would like to show? | 00:47:20 | |
| Just kept up, uh, with 500 properties of Utah. So earlier you guys were talking about sales tax. | 00:47:25 | |
| And wanting to generate more revenue, we have two tenants that are combined in this unit. They're brothers, the Domain brothers. | 00:47:32 | |
| Uh, they have way safe, which is London and they have home sports which is in London, so the current tenants of ours. | 00:47:40 | |
| They're just growing and want a bigger space. So I approached them like they are excited about this. They're excited to move into | 00:47:47 | |
| a new building to get more space and that way they can grow the business and you have two corporations moving into. | 00:47:54 | |
| In your city to generate sales tax for you. | 00:48:01 | |
| Thank you. Thank you. | 00:48:05 | |
| OK umm, are there any questions for staff or the applicant? | 00:48:08 | |
| Uh, no, no, OK, thanks. | 00:48:14 | |
| Seeing none. Umm. | 00:48:17 | |
| Are there any questions or comments by? | 00:48:19 | |
| The public for this application, even though it's not an official public hearing, I wanna give opportunities for that. | 00:48:22 | |
| Alright. | 00:48:30 | |
| Seeing none, I also don't have any questions and I just wanna thank you. Umm, I'd like to thank anyone that's bringing businesses | 00:48:31 | |
| and jobs. | 00:48:34 | |
| Uh, to our community. | 00:48:39 | |
| So thank you for that. | 00:48:40 | |
| Umm, do we have a motion? | 00:48:42 | |
| I can make a motion. | 00:48:47 | |
| Do we need to add anything you already add everything that you have in there cash or can I just approve it? Yeah, yeah. If you | 00:48:49 | |
| were financial condition, you can just say the condition is as presented and then to approve. | 00:48:54 | |
| Umm, Eastlake lot 6. | 00:49:00 | |
| Site plan application requested by Brett Wood with the conditions presented. | 00:49:02 | |
| Wonderful. Is there a second? | 00:49:07 | |
| OK. | 00:49:08 | |
| OK, all in favor. | 00:49:09 | |
| Aye. | 00:49:10 | |
| Give me a post. | 00:49:12 | |
| I'm passing unanimously. Thank you. | 00:49:14 | |
| Umm, wanna take the time Also to excuse Greg Knopfler who needed to leave during that presentation. | 00:49:17 | |
| Alright, moving on. | 00:49:24 | |
| To our next item on the agenda is 5.4, which is the yard parking management plan and traffic impact study. Great. Thank you chair | 00:49:26 | |
| and members of the Planning Commission, uh. | 00:49:32 | |
| Umm, so this is, uh, one that we. | 00:49:38 | |
| Uh, talked about uh. | 00:49:40 | |
| Before in the past during a work session meeting. | 00:49:41 | |
| Umm, this is a requirement of the development agreement that we had with early, uh, 2023 is when the development agreement was | 00:49:44 | |
| established. | 00:49:48 | |
| Umm, So I'll just do a a quick intro and then Carla or someone from your team and just welcome to to come up and to provide the | 00:49:53 | |
| details of this. | 00:49:57 | |
| So part of that requirement in the development agreement was that we cancel the unique nature of the development. There's three | 00:50:01 | |
| different uses, umm, that are part of the project, umm. | 00:50:06 | |
| Short term rentals, there's fifteen of those and there's 287 residential units. | 00:50:10 | |
| And there's approximately 14,000 square feet of retail that will be on the ground floor fronting, umm, 400 N And so those were | 00:50:15 | |
| some pretty specific season. Just to give you a little bit of background. You might be kind of wondering why the uniqueness of it. | 00:50:20 | |
| The City Council wanted to make sure from economic development standpoint, you have all the residential around there that the, | 00:50:25 | |
| umm, there were some retail uses, umm. | 00:50:30 | |
| Close by, that could generate, umm, some of the entities and the convenience items that, uh, the general public would be. | 00:50:36 | |
| We also bought sales tax in Utah. That's, that's really important for umm, our, our, uh, our overall budget and services. The | 00:50:42 | |
| short term rental units provide, umm, lodging. We do have the umm, extended stay units that are telling that these provide kind of | 00:50:47 | |
| a different type of, of lodging. | 00:50:52 | |
| Umm used to decide. If you're not familiar with church metal, it's basically in 30 minutes or less. | 00:50:58 | |
| Umm and the rest of the 287 units will be more of your standard of apartment type intended uses. | 00:51:03 | |
| I don't mean to say standard equality is gonna be just off off the charts, but. | 00:51:09 | |
| Umm, the following kind of different category of of the carbon dispute. | 00:51:14 | |
| Uh, and also we can benefit, uh, several years ago we approved the uh, transient room tax in uh varsity. So there's accounting. | 00:51:18 | |
| Umm, transit room tax 1% and then there's a Citi, umm, one that gets us 1%. So if, you know, if there's, uh, $200 a night, we're | 00:51:28 | |
| gonna get, uh. | 00:51:32 | |
| 225 you know, every night. So I over the kind of the course of the year that that could, that could translate some pretty good | 00:51:37 | |
| stuff. | 00:51:40 | |
| Also provides us the purchasing power of those of those visitors within a highly commercial, umm, development and so that that | 00:51:43 | |
| that was a really, umm, important thing for the City Council. | 00:51:48 | |
| Umm, the parking management plan. Umm, it does. It does a couple of things. Umm, it'll provide a umm, a. | 00:51:54 | |
| Carpet space allotment for use. | 00:52:02 | |
| It provides security, safety, umm, plan and enforcement and kind of regulation that mechanism for further parking. | 00:52:04 | |
| Umm, and then it was required that a parking segregate, a constant digital company, that parking management plan. | 00:52:11 | |
| That was done by by Ryan Reynolds, uh, and. | 00:52:17 | |
| So without further ado, you guys are welcome to come up. We have. | 00:52:21 | |
| Umm, the park management plan, right? And I, I believe we have. | 00:52:25 | |
| Umm, a representative from there as well. | 00:52:28 | |
| My name is Carla Masa with X Development. Umm. I just wanted to do a quick review of what we would ever get, uh, last time from | 00:52:33 | |
| our work session because I believe. | 00:52:38 | |
| Two of you weren't here, right? So, so we'll just go through it really quickly just to kind of. | 00:52:43 | |
| Umm give you an overview of what the project is so that it makes a little more sense with with the context. So umm, this project | 00:52:47 | |
| is the parcel that's directly South of of Top Golf. As you can see, umm and it is a mix of. | 00:52:54 | |
| Commercial on the main level and then the units above it. It's a four story if you wanna go ahead and go to the next page. | 00:53:01 | |
| Umm, well let me back up then. So. | 00:53:08 | |
| Go ahead. Umm. | 00:53:10 | |
| UMM, Morgan and I talked a little bit about the threshold purpose and coming here is the development agreement that we have with | 00:53:13 | |
| the city requires us to come before UMM and the city to get an approved parking management plan and parking study in conjunction. | 00:53:20 | |
| Umm, with our agreement, so that is our whole purpose here. Umm, and I sent all of those items to the staff, I believe. Did all of | 00:53:27 | |
| did all of you receive those and have a chance to review them by chance? Perfect. OK, sounds great. They're all, uh, part of the | 00:53:33 | |
| stuff. OK, OK, perfect. OK, go ahead to the next one. | 00:53:40 | |
| Umm, go ahead again. OK, so it, it is a parking structure, it's a four story wrap, uh, around. So it's actually 5 levels, umm, for | 00:53:46 | |
| the parking structure and for residential. | 00:53:53 | |
| Umm, well, with the commercial main umm. | 00:54:00 | |
| And Morgan already talked about those other things. So let's go into the next 101. Key item is this is controlled access. It is | 00:54:04 | |
| 24/7 on site parking management. And so it will be umm, very much controlled as far as umm, how many parking stalls are being | 00:54:10 | |
| used, what they're being used for and and so forth. So that's gonna be one key item that different differentiates this project | 00:54:16 | |
| from from others in the city. | 00:54:23 | |
| Umm, OK, so. | 00:54:31 | |
| See if this is conceptual. We haven't done our full architectural design and so this is subject to change, but the we have worked | 00:54:33 | |
| with uh. | 00:54:37 | |
| Umm, with multiple groups to come up with what seems to be the best fit and then we're looking at around 414 goals. | 00:54:42 | |
| Umm and then as you can see, this, this only pulls out the structure parking. Umm, and it shows that there's gonna be the | 00:54:48 | |
| structure. There's no up. | 00:54:53 | |
| There's umm, surface stalls on the north side, umm, and all those will be available umm for this particular project there will be | 00:54:57 | |
| a security arm to to control parking. | 00:55:03 | |
| As well, umm, at the entrance of the structure parking. OK, go ahead. | 00:55:09 | |
| Umm, So what we are seeking through the parking management plan is based on ratio rather than exact numbers because. | 00:55:13 | |
| Umm, that the numbers of hub units could potentially change a little bit here or there. Umm, you know, we obviously will have to | 00:55:21 | |
| be in harmony with the development agreement, but umm. | 00:55:26 | |
| So these are the umm. | 00:55:31 | |
| The ratios that that we're proposing that make the most sense for this? | 00:55:34 | |
| Type of unit based on all the discussions with our umm, our engineers, our our parking. | 00:55:38 | |
| Umm study professionals, our UMM architects, our actual UMM partner that has developed multifamily all over the country. These are | 00:55:45 | |
| these are the the numbers that we're proposing based on those subscriptions with them. | 00:55:52 | |
| You can go ahead and go to the next one. | 00:55:59 | |
| And this is something that we can go ahead and have Joseph Umm come in Texas as well. I don't know if you wanna do it based on | 00:56:02 | |
| more. | 00:56:06 | |
| Questions. Maybe enter in just a second. We'll have him come up. | 00:56:10 | |
| Umm, but he can talk more about what Hills was able to find. | 00:56:13 | |
| Umm, As far as what we're proposing, we are meeting. We're exceeding actually, umm. | 00:56:17 | |
| Both of the RA, the umm. | 00:56:23 | |
| Percentages that are not percentages, both the numbers that are given for the ITE as well as the comp data, umm we are exceeding | 00:56:26 | |
| them by around 66 on one and 41 another. So we are. | 00:56:31 | |
| We are surpassing those. | 00:56:37 | |
| Umm, we did have the parking management done, time done by a professional group that does work all over the country and even | 00:56:40 | |
| outside of the country. And umm, so that's who we're relying on for guidance on this plan. | 00:56:46 | |
| And, umm, I won't go through the details of the plan unless it's necessary. I'm assuming you're gonna have questions for us, so | 00:56:53 | |
| I'm just gonna open it up. | 00:56:57 | |
| The questions on, umm, maybe you wanna do the the traffic study now since we've got Joseph here and then, then we can open. | 00:57:00 | |
| This great umm, well and so. | 00:57:10 | |
| One of this is really thoughtful about parking management plan and what it was really important for the City Council. What we see, | 00:57:12 | |
| umm, historically is where we manage parking and, and especially where you have 24/7, uh, net management and I, I don't think you | 00:57:18 | |
| need departments to currently. I think that this would be the only one so far that 24 management management management management, | 00:57:24 | |
| this advantage for rentals and also the park and that, and that's really important, especially if you wanna, uh. | 00:57:30 | |
| Feel to to to maintain, kind of. | 00:57:36 | |
| Under control of the site where we've passed lots of owners in one development. That's where parking becomes really he hectic. And | 00:57:39 | |
| Cash will probably tell you some more stories. Umm, Cash is only 20 years old. Look at us. | 00:57:46 | |
| So, uh, so anyway, uh, we, we, we, this was a, a really, uh, important piece of the City Council. But anyway, so that's, that's | 00:57:54 | |
| what we found store click where we have parking management on site. It's a, it's a whole different, uh, different world in terms | 00:57:59 | |
| of course spend. | 00:58:04 | |
| Making sure that we we stay in tune with them. | 00:58:10 | |
| OK, thank you. One of the things I did actually wanna point out is if you can switch over to one of the other documents when you | 00:58:14 | |
| had up originally first. | 00:58:17 | |
| Umm, the the last PDF that you had up first. | 00:58:21 | |
| Umm. | 00:58:26 | |
| And then I'm gonna have you go down to a page that has a graph that's orange once you get there. | 00:58:29 | |
| And this is basically a graph that was, umm, created by our, our parking, umm, that's correct. Parking design group. Oh. | 00:58:37 | |
| Not orange, very not orange. It's green. And maybe on ice cream it was orange. I don't anyhow. Umm, I think the first piece is | 00:58:46 | |
| orange. OK, milk. That's green anyhow. | 00:58:51 | |
| Umm OK so this was developed by the Parking umm design group that shows us. | 00:58:56 | |
| How the the the two primary uses the residential and the commercial are gonna offset themselves at their peak hours. So your | 00:59:02 | |
| residential peak hours are obviously gonna be evening and and morning hours. Your commercial is gonna be the umm, afternoon and | 00:59:08 | |
| early evening. And so this is really. | 00:59:13 | |
| Key to help understand how our traffic is gonna flow well, because they're gonna compliment each other and you know when there's a | 00:59:19 | |
| need for more commercial, we're gonna have more spots available, umm, in the parking structure because there will be less use by | 00:59:24 | |
| the residential. | 00:59:28 | |
| Umm, users. And so, umm, this kind of project works really well together in harmony because of, of, of that, umm, that crossover | 00:59:34 | |
| during those peak hours. | 00:59:39 | |
| So, umm. | 00:59:44 | |
| Is there anything else there that you think we need to address right now? I have a question on that. Yes, of course. Umm, does | 00:59:47 | |
| that take into account? | 00:59:50 | |
| Weekends on weekends it would, it's not gonna have the same evidence flow that you would have like a work day. So if you wanna | 00:59:53 | |
| have a higher level of retail or expected on the weekend. | 00:59:58 | |
| And we might have asked that question last time. I don't remember. I was here. It was a great presentation. You're fine. Go ahead. | 01:00:03 | |
| Umm, I, I, my understanding is that they were taking any chance for that overall that into consideration. Overall, umm, you're | 01:00:10 | |
| right though. They're, I mean, obviously there's gonna be a higher demand on the weekends during, during the day, umm, for, for | 01:00:15 | |
| residents who might be home. | 01:00:20 | |
| Correct. That's correct. Umm, but still, we have enough. | 01:00:25 | |
| Umm, because we are already exceeding the the requirements umm that are are the recommended the recommendations. | 01:00:29 | |
| Umm, we don't. I, I mean, we feel like there's, there's gonna be. | 01:00:37 | |
| Open the account for that issue. Mm-hmm. | 01:00:41 | |
| Because of additional sales that are being included, yeah, I think my my concern would be more around not wanting, umm, to drive | 01:00:43 | |
| people away from using the retail space when it could be highly popular. We want to have people come in and. | 01:00:49 | |
| And participate in all that retail space, so. | 01:00:56 | |
| Yeah. | 01:00:59 | |
| OK. | 01:01:00 | |
| OK, Alright. I'm gonna go ahead and have Joseph come out from the health engineering so that you can address questions and then | 01:01:02 | |
| we'll be available for additional questions. We also. | 01:01:05 | |
| Umm, we have uh. | 01:01:09 | |
| Umm, our attorney has That can also be available if there are any other things that you'd like. | 01:01:11 | |
| Hello I'm my name is Joseph Brown, I'm a sales engineering and uh. | 01:01:23 | |
| I uh, I worked on the market study, so. | 01:01:27 | |
| Uh, happy to answer any questions you have. | 01:01:30 | |
| Umm, well, umm, we'll see if there's questions. Do you have any presentation or anything to? | 01:01:34 | |
| Oh, umm, what would be helpful is they they did the two case studies and maybe to talk about like the yeah. | 01:01:39 | |
| And and and it seems like the umm. | 01:01:48 | |
| Our commissioners, uh, what would now we've asked into, he's addressing the weekend. So yeah, yeah, absolutely. So, umm, we had, | 01:01:51 | |
| uh, so one of the case studies we had, uh, gone out and uh, collected data in Provo. | 01:01:57 | |
| Umm also with the city with similar demographics characteristics. | 01:02:05 | |
| A managed, uh, structured parking lot. | 01:02:09 | |
| Umm, so we, we perform parking out there. That was our, that was our local data. | 01:02:13 | |
| That we also relied on the national rates published by the Institute of Transportation here. | 01:02:18 | |
| Uh, for uh, multi family housing. | 01:02:23 | |
| In a uh uh. | 01:02:27 | |
| Next to you serve environment. | 01:02:29 | |
| And uh, based on that, the, uh, provided person seems to be seems to be sufficient. | 01:02:31 | |
| Umm, as Carla mentioned there, there's quite a large buffer. | 01:02:37 | |
| Uh, of of stop beyond. | 01:02:41 | |
| Uh, what our what our data showed? | 01:02:43 | |
| And in regards to the, uh, the weekend with the balance of the, uh, the residential and the commercial. | 01:02:45 | |
| Uh, we actually in our analysis, we have assumed, uh, peak. | 01:02:50 | |
| At the at the same time we we didn't. | 01:02:55 | |
| Put in any productions for, uh, cross utilization. So it's conservative that for you. | 01:02:58 | |
| Alright, umm. | 01:03:10 | |
| I have a quick question for staff, then I have a question for you and then we'll open up for another question. Uh, so first, uh. | 01:03:12 | |
| Is anything in the parking management plan presented tonight different than what was presented at the work session? | 01:03:19 | |
| Umm, no. From what we saw it was, it was, it was the same, umm, I, I don't know if any of your projected numbers had changed, but | 01:03:27 | |
| that, that'll be umm showing up with the site plan. | 01:03:32 | |
| So we'll, we'll take the allocation umm, that's part of umm for use and that will be applied to the site plan. Unless there's | 01:03:37 | |
| anything I'm missing, I'll look at this like pretty much the same. | 01:03:41 | |
| The only other thing that was different was the. | 01:03:48 | |
| Umm had included the some. | 01:03:53 | |
| Uh, a presentation that was done by our parking design, the parking design group that talked more about, umm, unbundling and | 01:03:56 | |
| talked about some of the signage that can be used with wayfaring stuff. That was the only thing that's different. But other than | 01:04:01 | |
| that, like numbers and so forth, everything else is the same. | 01:04:06 | |
| OK, thank you. Yeah, umm, the real purpose behind the parking management plan is that. | 01:04:11 | |
| Give bodies such as the Planning Commission and the Council uh. | 01:04:17 | |
| Uh, the opportunity to to. | 01:04:21 | |
| Be aware of what is the parking and vehicle impact going to be and what are you doing to address it. And so I. | 01:04:23 | |
| Stay the same as what I felt during the work session. I feel like you've done exactly what the intent was. | 01:04:33 | |
| Umm, I have a few questions about the process. | 01:04:39 | |
| Uh, so first, when you talked about the structures. | 01:04:42 | |
| That you look at get comparable data. Umm. | 01:04:45 | |
| Can you verify that like the one in Provo was for a similar use of multi family housing and commercial combined? | 01:04:48 | |
| That's correct. Yeah. So it was a commercial on the on the 1st floor and uh towards that surrounded the development and then it | 01:04:57 | |
| was residential up above. | 01:05:01 | |
| Exactly what's proposed here. OK, so then that is a good comparison. Well then. | 01:05:05 | |
| OK, excellent. | 01:05:11 | |
| Umm, are there any other questions for the applicant or staff? | 01:05:12 | |
| Yeah, I, umm, just clarified. | 01:05:18 | |
| You, I'm sorry. Thank you. Just to verify. | 01:05:22 | |
| You check one location and that was. | 01:05:27 | |
| That was the Provo location on North Sweden Blvd. That's correct. And then we, uh. | 01:05:32 | |
| Uh backed it up with the with the national data, which has dozens of data points. | 01:05:37 | |
| OK, why did you? | 01:05:42 | |
| Just cheering us, why did you pick? | 01:05:44 | |
| That particular structure or somebody as opposed to. | 01:05:46 | |
| Other similar that may be similar in the area. | 01:05:52 | |
| Yeah, that's a good question. So, umm, this, this type of manage structure is fairly unique. We want to make sure that we got one. | 01:05:56 | |
| And uh, in, in Utah County, you're a major university because we, we anticipate that you would have a lot of, you know, you have | 01:06:03 | |
| students. | 01:06:07 | |
| Umm and and young professionals. | 01:06:11 | |
| Uh, living in these departments, so that, that's why we chose the privileged location. | 01:06:14 | |
| And, uh, the commercial on the 1st floor and the, uh, Instagram was also the previous component, but that's, that's why we chose | 01:06:17 | |
| that one. | 01:06:21 | |
| OK. | 01:06:25 | |
| Are there any similar ones in say, alarm? | 01:06:26 | |
| Uh, I we checked for other similar ones. | 01:06:30 | |
| Couldn't find any room. | 01:06:34 | |
| You didn't. You did, But you didn't find it correct. Yeah, and and and the other. | 01:06:37 | |
| Complication is that uh, uh, we have to get permission from the uh, the owner of the property to perform the account. | 01:06:43 | |
| Umm, this one was was willing to to let us come in in the middle of the night and and from our account. | 01:06:51 | |
| But uh, yeah, that's. | 01:06:57 | |
| So that's why we chose the, yeah, that's what we want, so. | 01:07:00 | |
| OK, uh cool. I I think this is great and I agree with Morgan that I think this is. | 01:07:08 | |
| OK, thoughtful. And I don't really anticipate any. | 01:07:11 | |
| Issues based on what I've seen through the study and through the enforcement of it, I do have a question now just. | 01:07:16 | |
| On the enforcement side. | 01:07:24 | |
| Because obviously with the ratios that were mentioned. | 01:07:26 | |
| One space per one bedroom, 2 spaces per two bedrooms. | 01:07:30 | |
| And then the 2 1/2 spaces for three bedrooms. I I feel like personally there's going to be adequate parking, but. | 01:07:33 | |
| In the enforcement of it, in the leasing of these units is there? | 01:07:39 | |
| Will it be clearly understood how many? | 01:07:44 | |
| Stalls. Parking stalls. | 01:07:47 | |
| Come with said unit and like. | 01:07:49 | |
| Like what, how does that, how does that work? And because I couldn't really find that. So that's gonna be very much controlled | 01:07:53 | |
| within the leasing process. Umm, and that's also, uh, it is mentioned in the, the person management plan, umm. | 01:07:59 | |
| Surface. I mean, it doesn't go into great detail yet. | 01:08:06 | |
| But umm. | 01:08:09 | |
| But essentially the leasing will be controlled. | 01:08:10 | |
| Uh, excuse me? The parking will be controlled based on each lease, so if all the parking stalls are assigned already, there will | 01:08:14 | |
| be no more leases. | 01:08:18 | |
| So it will be very much controlled. Cool. And I would imagine that the opposite would also be true if. | 01:08:22 | |
| They're if they're all the leases were. | 01:08:28 | |
| Given out or leased out and they were still parking available. | 01:08:32 | |
| To someone then. | 01:08:35 | |
| Lease an additional parking spot. | 01:08:36 | |
| That's definitely something that could be too better and that's we haven't really. | 01:08:39 | |
| Oh, about that. That's a great question. OK, cool. Yeah. I just think that that would be helpful and would. | 01:08:43 | |
| Eliminate any problems down the road if. | 01:08:48 | |
| That expectation was set out. | 01:08:51 | |
| At the leasing table, so. | 01:08:53 | |
| OK, OK. | 01:08:56 | |
| OK. And chair just so you know the the motion. | 01:09:00 | |
| Umm, umm, the sample motion is incorrect. It would be a motion for approval or denial by the Planning Commission. So you guys are | 01:09:04 | |
| afforded that the umm. | 01:09:08 | |
| To to to make the decision. This is not a recommendation for the City Council. | 01:09:12 | |
| OK. | 01:09:16 | |
| I just have a. | 01:09:19 | |
| A couple of them. | 01:09:22 | |
| Question. Umm. | 01:09:23 | |
| Like a total of 408 bedrooms. | 01:09:29 | |
| And according to. | 01:09:34 | |
| If I'm reading. | 01:09:37 | |
| Right. If you're going to have a total of 400, I'm sorry, are you talking about just the rooms total or the unit? | 01:09:40 | |
| So there's 302 units. | 01:09:46 | |
| 287 are the apartment units, 15 are short term rental units. | 01:09:49 | |
| OK. | 01:09:55 | |
| So I. | 01:09:58 | |
| I I think, yeah. | 01:10:01 | |
| That's not the study seems to have been. | 01:10:04 | |
| Well done. Procedurally I'm. | 01:10:08 | |
| I'm a little. | 01:10:12 | |
| Concerned. | 01:10:14 | |
| That there's an assumption that. | 01:10:15 | |
| With one bedroom, that'll only be one car. | 01:10:19 | |
| Owner there. | 01:10:25 | |
| And yeah, and the two bedrooms. | 01:10:27 | |
| With the other side schedule studios. | 01:10:32 | |
| Yeah, and and that's, uh, and that's why we collected. | 01:10:35 | |
| That's why we're relying on local data and the and the national. I'm sorry, relying on what? | 01:10:38 | |
| On on the local data that we collected and the Nashville grades. | 01:10:44 | |
| 2nd to to back up our numbers. | 01:10:48 | |
| Yeah, I think what you're looking at, David. | 01:10:54 | |
| Uh, the requirement. | 01:10:57 | |
| Yeah, sorry, Eric Turner with X development. What what we relied on was a a large sample of consultants. So the parking de Design | 01:10:59 | |
| group which created the parking management plan. | 01:11:05 | |
| Umm Hales Engineering which did the traffic impact as well as the parking impact studies. | 01:11:12 | |
| And the traffic counts on the car counts with comparable properties and national ITE standards. | 01:11:18 | |
| As well as several architects that design these types of buildings, as well as property management companies that manage these | 01:11:23 | |
| buildings all across the country and a national developer partner that we're partnering with UMM. | 01:11:29 | |
| Umm, that have all come to the conclusion that we're over parking the site slightly, umm. | 01:11:35 | |
| Umm, mostly the recommendation of the push from. | 01:11:41 | |
| Umm, your staff that the thing you guys should push a little above and beyond. Make sure that you guys have more umm. | 01:11:43 | |
| Umm, even though this is 24/7 on site, property managed and parking managed and we're going to control it through the leasing | 01:11:50 | |
| process that we will hand out. | 01:11:53 | |
| Umm, it'll be impossible to get into the parking garage unless you have. | 01:11:58 | |
| Uh, a parking pass or, or some type of RFID chip or, or remote to, to lift the gate up and then once all the passes are handed | 01:12:02 | |
| out. | 01:12:06 | |
| There are no more ability to hand out more passes. There's no more demand. And so the, the, the responsibility comes with the | 01:12:10 | |
| leasing process to educate and to sign appropriate leases with the appropriate, uh, uh. | 01:12:16 | |
| Vehicle count per unit. | 01:12:22 | |
| Or, you know, if it's if it's one parking pass per bedroom or as umm. | 01:12:24 | |
| Commissioner Rotten had had said if there are excess stalls, those can be available at an additional fee. | 01:12:29 | |
| Not needed, but it was, it was a, it was a two year process of of dealing with umm. | 01:12:35 | |
| Probably a combined 7 or 8. | 01:12:42 | |
| Umm, local and national consultants to come to this amount. | 01:12:44 | |
| OK. | 01:12:50 | |
| Umm, I have one hypothetical. OK so I am leasing a space from you and I don't want to pay for parking. Sure. Where does my car go? | 01:12:53 | |
| If if you this building is not for you, yeah, that's a perfect answer. Or if I don't have a car. | 01:13:03 | |
| Is there a discounted rate that should be applied for sure. Yeah, that's that's contemplated there. Umm. | 01:13:13 | |
| Umm, which makes the. | 01:13:18 | |
| Really exciting for this project is the potential that somebody could live here without a car and and could walk the Top Golf, | 01:13:19 | |
| could walk the Chipotle to go eat, uh, could go see a movie at Megaplex. | 01:13:24 | |
| Umm, hop on an E scooter if we put those within the shopping center, which we've been. | 01:13:29 | |
| Canvassing the community to see if anybody would actually use those or if those would become more of an eyesore or or. | 01:13:33 | |
| You know, just littered on the sidewalk, but umm, that, that was definitely contemplated with the overall general project that | 01:13:38 | |
| we've developed almost 40 acres in this location. | 01:13:43 | |
| Umm, the potential that somebody could. | 01:13:47 | |
| Truly live somewhere, work at a medical office building and meet and play without getting in a car. UMM was really exciting for us | 01:13:49 | |
| when we started this project about 7-8 years ago to come to this point and. | 01:13:56 | |
| Has been really satisfying? Or not on the train I suppose. Nothing, sure. | 01:14:03 | |
| OK. Yeah. Yeah. That's great. | 01:14:07 | |
| Thank you. You know they're an assumption. | 01:14:10 | |
| That residents. | 01:14:13 | |
| We'll park in the commercial spot. | 01:14:18 | |
| At the appropriate time, that's what the parking management, uh. | 01:14:20 | |
| On site authority is there to do to direct UMM. | 01:14:23 | |
| To to direct certain cars at certain times to certain stalls. | 01:14:27 | |
| Correct, uh, utilizing technology and and the parking design plan has been been set up. | 01:14:31 | |
| And also. | 01:14:39 | |
| Vice versa, I could also monitor cheapskates like me who will say I'm not gonna pay for parking, I'm gonna parking from Top Golf. | 01:14:40 | |
| Parking management plan that constant monitoring would be able to verify that's not an appropriate loop with you and it's breaking | 01:14:46 | |
| your lease, correct. So enforcement overall, overall pro project management, including the all the overall yard, uh, is, is | 01:14:51 | |
| contemplated here with the cross access and cross easements agreement that, uh, this building has with all the other parcels | 01:14:56 | |
| within the ER. | 01:15:02 | |
| Perfect. OK, alright. | 01:15:08 | |
| OK. Thank you. | 01:15:11 | |
| Very much umm. | 01:15:13 | |
| Again, even though this is not a public hearing, I would like to open it up to public comment if there are any questions. | 01:15:15 | |
| Hi, it's David Luray. | 01:15:27 | |
| I just wanna say umm, I really appreciate the work that X development has done. | 01:15:29 | |
| And, uh, and putting this together and, and in fact, the whole yard developer really has gone very, very well. | 01:15:34 | |
| This is an excellent use for this particular spot. | 01:15:39 | |
| Sort of a hot spot and and they really I think maximize the use of that really a problem for that. | 01:15:42 | |
| The the efforts to control parking and to solve a a park, a potential parking problem like we've seen other places is I think, | 01:15:48 | |
| excellent as well. | 01:15:52 | |
| I think they have they thought thought through very well. | 01:15:56 | |
| I as a member of the Public Employment Support. | 01:15:59 | |
| Thank you. | 01:16:02 | |
| Anyone else? | 01:16:07 | |
| Alright. | 01:16:09 | |
| Close public comments and if there's any other final thought. | 01:16:11 | |
| I'm also happy to entertain a motion. | 01:16:14 | |
| No, not I'm happy to make a motion. So Morgan, it's just I moved to instead of forward a positive recommendation, it's just | 01:16:18 | |
| approved. Approved. Yeah. | 01:16:22 | |
| OK, uh, I moved to approve the parking management plan as presented. | 01:16:27 | |
| Our staff have allowed further development agreement between Vineyard City and Ex Develop. | 01:16:33 | |
| I'll second, all right. I have a motion and a second all in favor. | 01:16:38 | |
| All right, any post? | 01:16:41 | |
| Alright, passes unanimously. | 01:16:43 | |
| Thank you. | 01:16:45 | |
| We have the orange light. | 01:16:46 | |
| All right, we'll move on. | 01:16:53 | |
| To our next one. | 01:16:55 | |
| Which is item 5.5, the conditional use permit for a hybrid production facility. | 01:16:58 | |
| At 263 N Geneva Rd. | 01:17:05 | |
| Uh, I'll be handling this one. And as a reminder, this, this is not a site plan. It is just they want to obtain the conditional | 01:17:08 | |
| use before they, they start on the site plan process. | 01:17:12 | |
| So that's what we're examining here. | 01:17:17 | |
| Umm, you can see the, the proposed a lot here and this is part of the DRMU. Just to the South of it you have uh, Jiffy Lube, Mr. | 01:17:19 | |
| Car Wash, AutoZone and then it would be the hybrid production facility and then you have the medical office building in the hotel. | 01:17:25 | |
| So this, uh, lot here, lot 202 does have direct access to Geneva Rd. umm. | 01:17:32 | |
| And then the access Rd. for the drama would just kind of run up on the the West side of it. | 01:17:39 | |
| Uh, so hybrid production facilities are pretty unique type of use that we do have in our code. Umm, but essentially what it is is | 01:17:45 | |
| it allows for a manufacturing of a of a good, but also having a storefront that is meant for retail use. | 01:17:51 | |
| And so that is what they're proposing here. They've been approached by a. | 01:17:57 | |
| Candy or chocolate maker umm, who's wanting to produce their goods on site as well as have a retail location. | 01:18:01 | |
| Yeah, come on. | 01:18:08 | |
| Here is the candy as well. This is the question. | 01:18:10 | |
| So that that's what they're proposing here. Umm, it'll be constructing and operating a facility that will manufacture candies, | 01:18:14 | |
| chocolate, shams, jellies, thank you shirts, and other related items. | 01:18:19 | |
| Intended the retail portion of the building will be around 1500 square feet or 1/6 of the overall building. Umm, according to the | 01:18:23 | |
| rough pipeline that they have provided. | 01:18:27 | |
| Umm, the the conditional use permit objective here would be, uh, to allow this youth to go forward and and. | 01:18:32 | |
| Finished. I planned for it. | 01:18:38 | |
| Umm and we can use this time to discuss like the configuration of the of the building as well as the loading, unloading and | 01:18:40 | |
| parking of the site. | 01:18:44 | |
| Umm, one thing I do want to know the the Hybrid Pro production facilities does state that it must be somewhere in size, scale and | 01:18:49 | |
| scope of operation with adjacent or nearby uses. | 01:18:53 | |
| And you can see the nearby uses that I've listed there below. | 01:18:57 | |
| Umm. So here's the site. Umm, I kind of what the Geneva Rd. would be right here where my cursor is at. | 01:19:02 | |
| Umm, and you can kind of see how it relates to the rest of the DRMU and those uses. | 01:19:09 | |
| Umm, I believe this right here would be for like truck. | 01:19:14 | |
| So the, you know, they get deliveries and and whatnot. That one right here. | 01:19:18 | |
| Umm, the GRE does require like the building frontage to take the street. | 01:19:23 | |
| Umm, so I imagine they'd have the the retail component here. Umm, but one thing we're not inside plan. We don't want to get into | 01:19:28 | |
| two new leads on that. | 01:19:31 | |
| Umm. But this is the overall side of what they're hoping to accomplish with this. | 01:19:35 | |
| Uh, and that's all I have. And once again, this is an ex development project, so if you have any questions or if they wanna add | 01:19:41 | |
| anything, umm. | 01:19:44 | |
| I'll turn it over to them. I just wanted to ask really quickly. So that is very, very preliminary. Umm. | 01:19:47 | |
| Concepts it's I mean we basically tried to put a big building as possible umm, but still meet all the parking code and everything | 01:19:54 | |
| just to throw on there to see, you know, what would fit like. | 01:19:59 | |
| What would be the biggest thing that would say? But that doesn't mean that's necessarily what the, the, uh, the buyer would wanna | 01:20:04 | |
| use the excuse me, the user. Umm, So that's just to give an idea though, that that's what it could be. Umm, but but yeah, what do | 01:20:09 | |
| you have any questions about? | 01:20:15 | |
| OK. Do you have any questions to 1st that for you? | 01:20:21 | |
| Umm, yeah. | 01:20:24 | |
| Just clarify on the lower. | 01:20:27 | |
| Left hand side that's Geneva Rd. no, it's it's exactly right. That's the neighborhood yes, that is the access Rd. this road, the | 01:20:31 | |
| blue line here goes straight down to Geneva and then it's AutoZone that's. | 01:20:38 | |
| Does this sound that they're right there? Uh-huh. | 01:20:47 | |
| So I didn't have that shared access drive there. | 01:20:50 | |
| So this is more like more simple manufacturing as far as your it's. | 01:20:55 | |
| Creating some sort of product, that's a good product, right? Yeah, it's the produ, it's the production of the food, but then it's | 01:20:59 | |
| also selling it in the front, almost similar to like what Brooker's does, but it just on a on a larger scale. | 01:21:06 | |
| I'm just thinking about like the overall environmental impact and what that is. | 01:21:13 | |
| Depending on. | 01:21:18 | |
| How it's being manufactured, but. | 01:21:20 | |
| Umm, I'm trying something to talk about. | 01:21:22 | |
| More later umm and I'm visiting if you're having a storefront to of a product that is a consumable. | 01:21:24 | |
| It could be similar to you, but how? Like umm. | 01:21:32 | |
| They had bucked up and developed that had like a. | 01:21:36 | |
| Mm-hmm. Yep, that's exactly it would be a retail. | 01:21:39 | |
| Umm, store in the front would be like a candy store in the front and then the rest of it be where it's put where it's | 01:21:43 | |
| manufactured. And forgive me for an an ignorant question. Uh, even if you're explaining who you can help me cash. So you're saying | 01:21:48 | |
| there will be an actual like turn in from? | 01:21:52 | |
| Continue that or it will be a different way. It's that road right there that that is the access. Mm-hmm. Access. OK. Yep. | 01:21:57 | |
| Because this stuff like not that many turn in right now and the flow of traffic is really halted because everybody has to go | 01:22:04 | |
| around the corner. | 01:22:09 | |
| Because there's a couple of things you can turn in the, the, the price on something. Yeah, that's really gonna change pretty soon | 01:22:13 | |
| as the hotel opens. There's an access point there. There's the one that's right where AutoZone is. So. And that's gonna slow. | 01:22:18 | |
| They'll be cross access all the way down to O'Reilly as well and all the way up to McDonald's to 400 N So it's gonna be, it's | 01:22:24 | |
| gonna make a huge difference. Yeah. OK, OK. | 01:22:29 | |
| Thank you. You're welcome. Any other questions? | 01:22:35 | |
| So Candy, next time, yeah, this next step is because it does get an approval they will be only like the pipeline process where | 01:22:38 | |
| they will be bringing the elevations and the landscaping and all that. So, so. | 01:22:43 | |
| The Planning Commission to review again. | 01:22:49 | |
| Wonderful. Cool. Umm. | 01:22:53 | |
| Any comments or questions from the public? | 01:22:56 | |
| OK, seeing none other than a big thumbs up. Umm, do we have a motion? | 01:23:00 | |
| I'll make a motion to recommend approval. | 01:23:08 | |
| 2025. | 01:23:11 | |
| Just for example, for the conditional use permit. | 01:23:15 | |
| Yeah, this, this would be an approval, not a recommendation, sorry. | 01:23:18 | |
| OK, most of them I have. Do you want me to read it? | 01:23:21 | |
| But emotion to improve it. OK, do we have a second? Second. | 01:23:25 | |
| All in favor, all right, all right, all right. Passes unanimously. | 01:23:30 | |
| Thank you. | 01:23:34 | |
| Alright. | 01:23:36 | |
| We will move on to our last. | 01:23:38 | |
| Business item. | 01:23:41 | |
| Which is 5.7. | 01:23:42 | |
| Which is the Vineyard City code update. | 01:23:45 | |
| And this is a public hearing. | 01:23:48 | |
| OK, awesome. | 01:23:50 | |
| So this is a background, Uh, everybody's leaving for my presentation. I'm hers. | 01:23:51 | |
| This has been a lot of work to get to this point. | 01:23:57 | |
| So many times when you hear Jane, uh, this is a, a refresher over the past few months, I think since November, October last year, | 01:24:00 | |
| we've been kind of going over our, our zoning code, umm. | 01:24:05 | |
| Umm, as we presented to the Planning Commission for feedback. | 01:24:10 | |
| Umm, you know, the planners, we've been going over it and, and we hopefully culminate, culminates to the point where, uh, we, we | 01:24:13 | |
| feel comfortable presenting this for a recommendation tonight. | 01:24:18 | |
| Umm And so I have just a brief presentation here to go over those changes. We've made some modifications since we've. | 01:24:23 | |
| Uh talked and presented this. | 01:24:29 | |
| Umm, the first thing I wanna know is is the public notice and all that makes it look like we are changing a lot of sections, which | 01:24:31 | |
| is true. | 01:24:34 | |
| Umm. However, a lot of the sections aren't just grammar and formatting updates, so I wanted to get that out of the way that most | 01:24:38 | |
| of these sections are small things that we're changing here and there. | 01:24:42 | |
| Umm, I'll get into the weeds on the, the bigger more important things that we're changing. So all these sections there are changes | 01:24:46 | |
| like that's pretty minor. | 01:24:49 | |
| Umm, so I'll get right into it. The land use authority. So this is the section that. | 01:24:54 | |
| Great. The Planning Commission as well as the Development Review Committee. Umm. | 01:24:58 | |
| The changes here we are allowing up to three appointments to expire each year. | 01:25:01 | |
| Uh, currently the coast has only one can expire each year, which is actually possible 8 commissioners so. | 01:25:07 | |
| Want to get out of the way? Umm. | 01:25:12 | |
| Umm, we wanted to allow for a vote to uh, a vote on an item just requires a form to be present right now because. | 01:25:13 | |
| A majority of the total members of the body that require four people, so we felt a a vote requires a quorum. | 01:25:20 | |
| Umm, and then we have a provision in here to, uh, for the election of the chair for temporary. | 01:25:26 | |
| OK, return question. | 01:25:32 | |
| Uh, perfect. | 01:25:34 | |
| Umm. | 01:25:35 | |
| Also, do you want me to run through everything and then do questions or do you want me to stop each cloud? | 01:25:37 | |
| Go through every time and then we may interrupt you if we feel. | 01:25:42 | |
| Love it. | 01:25:45 | |
| PRC, we just have a a additional provision in here that each member of the DRC can appoint designee, including the planning | 01:25:46 | |
| commissioner. As you know right now, our coach does the Planning Commission can't do that. We thought it was appropriate to. | 01:25:52 | |
| Umm or the chair of the Planning Commission to appoint a designate to feel better, she said. | 01:25:58 | |
| OK, umm, this is a big one that that we've made changes to. This is establishment of district and zoning tables. | 01:26:04 | |
| Umm, we added the definition of the Gru. | 01:26:09 | |
| We clarified the interpretation of the zoning map. Umm, if there's a partial that zoned in both in multiple categories, how we | 01:26:13 | |
| interpret that? | 01:26:17 | |
| Umm, we updated the district table format so it's easier to read. I think I requested last time that it can be kind of hard to | 01:26:22 | |
| read. We made it so every like, I don't know, 10 or so items, it lists out the different zones again so people can read it easily. | 01:26:28 | |
| Umm And then these are all the new uses that we are proposing. So we have check cashing and I have definition of all that for | 01:26:35 | |
| these. You guys have questions about them, but check, check cashing and other credit services like a payday loan center. | 01:26:41 | |
| We have a conditional and regional commercial. | 01:26:47 | |
| Umm, I do want to just provide some context here. | 01:26:49 | |
| When, uh, you haven't used like a payday loans underwent some of the cities, we don't have necessarily a proper use for it like | 01:26:52 | |
| this. We have to kind of go into the where best fit. | 01:26:57 | |
| And so we wanna be prevent or, uh, proactive here and create what, where that could be and then create the, the standards for | 01:27:02 | |
| development of that type of use. So that's what we're doing with like that hotel extended stay. | 01:27:08 | |
| Umm, retail tobacco stores, umm, and even I just think they catch the assumption. | 01:27:14 | |
| Umm, car washes we, we really didn't limit their their use. Umm, just as conditional in the Drum, URC and FOI districts. | 01:27:19 | |
| Uh, permanent manufacturing staying the same? | 01:27:28 | |
| Hotels tremendous, say conditional on the Gru and commercial mobile food core conditional and RU. | 01:27:31 | |
| Umm retail backdoor specialty business conditional in the RC. | 01:27:37 | |
| Tattoo establishment would be permitted in Army DRMU, SMU which is a forge, UMM and the RC. | 01:27:42 | |
| And then the tennis sports court, this was conditional across the city. So if you want to put one in your backyard, we're supposed | 01:27:49 | |
| to go through and get the conditional use permit. Nobody was doing that. | 01:27:53 | |
| Umm, so we just felt like it would make more sense to just allow them in residential yards, but they haven't taken up yard for us. | 01:27:58 | |
| Umm, development agreement? | 01:28:06 | |
| Umm, right now there's a provision in there that says every development agreement needs to be reviewed annually by the City | 01:28:08 | |
| Council. | 01:28:10 | |
| I don't think that's being done too well. I mean, in a way it is applications, the City Council, but. | 01:28:14 | |
| We just want that a provision that city staff could do the review and provide that report to the City Council. | 01:28:19 | |
| Umm, just making you know, this is administrative action, so yeah, if I can interrupt. | 01:28:25 | |
| Uh, this includes the requirement that after staff completes that review, report it to the council. Not for an action necessarily, | 01:28:30 | |
| but as a report. | 01:28:35 | |
| Temporary uses. So this one, once again, we've made quite a few changes. Umm, we're allowing temporary business licenses to be | 01:28:41 | |
| issued in place of the temporary use permit. | 01:28:45 | |
| Umm in in some cases umm. | 01:28:49 | |
| We have language in here that, uh, a temporary use can be permitted for 60 consecutive days. I know we have some conversation | 01:28:51 | |
| about how we wanna do that and so we just decided on that 60 consecutive days. | 01:28:56 | |
| And then we created the seasonal use permit, UMM, which would be allowed between 8:00 first and October 31st for a maximum of 180 | 01:29:02 | |
| days. | 01:29:06 | |
| That's like a shade by stand is a perfect example of that. | 01:29:10 | |
| Umm, and then we created development standards for these types of uses that they need to provide us, uh, improved just the | 01:29:13 | |
| surface. | 01:29:16 | |
| Parking, uh. | 01:29:19 | |
| Umm, they need to make sure that there's access to the site and they're not blocking other, uh. | 01:29:20 | |
| UH uses nearby. They need to provide a solid waste like trash can facilities or plans for that, as well as the thresholds. | 01:29:24 | |
| Uh, continued, uh, seasonal uses. We do want to see site plans for that, umm, as it can have a little bit more of an impact. | 01:29:34 | |
| Umm, and we are making sure that they don't, uh, impact. | 01:29:41 | |
| Uh, parking nearby. So if you have a few long usage, I stand you wanna put it. | 01:29:46 | |
| In a parking lot, we're gonna make sure that the minimum parking for that area is still being met with all the uses. | 01:29:50 | |
| Umm, fireworks stands the same thing. Site plan and we wanna see the dates of operation and make sure they're following within | 01:29:56 | |
| the. | 01:29:58 | |
| State guidelines there. State law I should say, not guidelines. | 01:30:01 | |
| Umm, and the carnival and festival. We we decided that a special event permit makes more sense for this than a temporary seasonal | 01:30:05 | |
| use. | 01:30:08 | |
| And that was being reviewed by our fire department, our police, our, you know, it's a more broader, uh, permit than just a. | 01:30:12 | |
| Planner and the business licensing version so. | 01:30:19 | |
| Umm. And then we added gross sales as an exemption for temporary use permit. | 01:30:22 | |
| People don't need to get a permit for that. | 01:30:26 | |
| Umm, conditional uses. | 01:30:30 | |
| Umm, the the old, uh, code update did remove the title report and survey. We thought it was necessary to keep type of report in | 01:30:32 | |
| there, but we didn't think the survey was necessary. A survey of the property. | 01:30:37 | |
| So removing that requirement. | 01:30:43 | |
| Umm, and then we are including a, a condition here, but a traffic impact analysis. | 01:30:45 | |
| Is required if requested by the planner, by the Planning Commission, by, uh, the city engineer, Umm. | 01:30:50 | |
| Uh, general property development standards. Umm, I should update this? It doesn't remove allowance for flag lots, but it it | 01:31:00 | |
| changes how we measure the frontage for for flag lots in the city. | 01:31:05 | |
| Umm, our code right now does require that every driveway has to have direct access to a broader carport, which is a bit confusing | 01:31:10 | |
| because you have a lot of people who put in an extra pad for cement. | 01:31:16 | |
| That's within our recovery, that's that's within our. | 01:31:22 | |
| Allow. | 01:31:25 | |
| Umm, uh, our zone code that doesn't necessarily access across the cardboard? You want to clear that up? | 01:31:27 | |
| Umm, and then we updated the Clearview, uh, on driveways, we, we added a new image there to help show how we're gonna measure that | 01:31:34 | |
| and it's 10 feet from the sidewalk now our. | 01:31:38 | |
| Our existing code is 12 feet from the curb. | 01:31:43 | |
| Which really doesn't do much there. There's a few properties in vineyards where that becomes a problem where they put up a pen. | 01:31:45 | |
| Right there and, and it's it's very short of steering and we're worried about the safety of people that are walking by. And do you | 01:31:52 | |
| have a driveway right there? There's a lot of conflict. | 01:31:56 | |
| So we just wanted to update that. | 01:32:01 | |
| I'm so sorry you have to go back. Umm, when it says remove the allowance for fly clock, can you go into more detail? Yeah sorry. | 01:32:04 | |
| Like I said I I shouldn't have. | 01:32:09 | |
| Phrased it like that, let me open up the actual code. | 01:32:14 | |
| Umm. | 01:32:17 | |
| And you can see. | 01:32:19 | |
| We no longer allow driveways on the five blocks. | 01:32:21 | |
| Uh, that must use the loan. | 01:32:25 | |
| Umm, so this is the section talking about the LO frontage required. The thing umm that every house has to front onto a street. | 01:32:35 | |
| Umm. And then we're saying that there's an exception to that, that a lot has been approved as a flag law. | 01:32:44 | |
| And there are currently no flag locks in the city. | 01:32:50 | |
| Umm and and build range. Our planner thought it was not necessary to have this provision in there umm as we don't have any in the | 01:32:53 | |
| city. | 01:32:57 | |
| OK. | 01:33:01 | |
| Nor did we anticipate with the new style of development. I I don't imagine that there's a few potentially near full wave Rd. where | 01:33:06 | |
| that it could potentially happen. They want to split one of the larger locks. Yeah. | 01:33:12 | |
| But but yeah, it pulled away. Rd. resident here. | 01:33:19 | |
| You know, Oh, sorry, started over here. | 01:33:26 | |
| OK, accessory dwelling units. Umm. | 01:33:30 | |
| Our if you remember last time we talked about our, our general plan does. | 01:33:33 | |
| Saying we need to allow for prefabricated homes as accessory dwelling units and and I know there's a lot of. | 01:33:38 | |
| Talk about how we can make that happen, umm, without necessarily like, ruining the character of some neighborhoods, right? | 01:33:43 | |
| Umm and so we are requiring that they are placed on from a foundation and the the design of the structure must be consistent with | 01:33:49 | |
| the primary structure. So we thought that that language is there prevented. | 01:33:54 | |
| Kind of a like a mobile Home Park from being built into a neighborhood. Umm, they really would have to address this up to them and | 01:34:00 | |
| make it look like it, you know, as as part of the house. | 01:34:04 | |
| Umm, but still as a affordable way to bring in an Adu if you're looking to. | 01:34:09 | |
| You know, do that to your property. So, umm, we're only allowing one with impact home occupation for in in in case, you know, if | 01:34:14 | |
| you have an Adu and you have a hair salon upstairs, you're downstairs neighbors don't have a. | 01:34:21 | |
| Uh, preschool. | 01:34:28 | |
| Umm, we just thought that was a lot of impact for one house. | 01:34:29 | |
| Umm, and then we have a problem there that the license can be revoked or denied to do the zoning violation. | 01:34:33 | |
| Umm, home occupations? This is a pretty big one. Umm, we created new definitions for what? Like an employee and a customer? | 01:34:40 | |
| Umm, we, uh, updated the permitted list to personal care services, animal hobby breeders, and pet grooming. This is just to kind | 01:34:46 | |
| of give you an idea of what's permitted, not necessarily defining everything that's that's permitted. | 01:34:52 | |
| Umm and we were specific in the not permitted less medical practitioner medical. | 01:34:59 | |
| Of that services animal animal awarding and taking pet day care. | 01:35:03 | |
| Umm, the aggregate impact of multiple home observations cannot equal the the uh, impact of one non profit with impact are gonna be | 01:35:07 | |
| subject to these standards. | 01:35:12 | |
| Umm, group instructions? That'd be somebody wanted to teach dance classes, singing lessons to some siblings or something, or | 01:35:17 | |
| allowing us to pick. They do have to get a conditional use permit and they do have to provide 5 off street parking spaces. | 01:35:24 | |
| Umm, we can now require inspections if there's some non compliance issues, and we can design a license if there's non compliance | 01:35:31 | |
| issues. | 01:35:35 | |
| Umm and then we are doing a little bit of a parking reduction for homes with impact. | 01:35:39 | |
| At multi family dwellings of somebody wanted to have a. | 01:35:44 | |
| A Barber shop and uh, and they live in a condo building. We just want to see that they have two dedicated spaces that the, the | 01:35:48 | |
| customer could park in. Umm, we just thought it was more equitable that way. | 01:35:53 | |
| Umm. | 01:35:59 | |
| Swimming pools and drive throughs. This is new. Uh, the swimming pool section anyways. Umm. | 01:36:01 | |
| Umm, turns out some people request that, uh, they are allowed to build a safety cover instead of of a fenced in property. | 01:36:05 | |
| Umm, this the building code? Actually all they require is a safety cover. They don't even require fence. | 01:36:13 | |
| Umm. But our code was pretty specific about that. | 01:36:19 | |
| Umm, and so one other thing we did wanna add in is just say somebody has a property or a backyard and they share that with the | 01:36:22 | |
| neighbor and they, they fence in the entire backyard except for the fence between the two properties. | 01:36:27 | |
| Umm, we're allowing them to enter into an agreement that if one of them moves, they'll construct a fence between the pool and the | 01:36:33 | |
| the neighboring property. | 01:36:37 | |
| Umm, does that make sense? | 01:36:42 | |
| Yeah. Is that agreement then like recorded with title and so it's tied to that or is that something just managed by a planning | 01:36:44 | |
| department and it's so? | 01:36:48 | |
| How in the world you enforce that? Yeah, yeah. Uh, that's something I, I definitely, I, I sent this off to returning to review, | 01:36:53 | |
| uh. | 01:36:57 | |
| Umm, because I, I agree. I, I think it's, you know, it's easy to say you'll, you'll make this agreement. We wanna make sure that. | 01:37:01 | |
| They will actually follow through with it. | 01:37:08 | |
| Yeah, we have it reformed Kent County and it would be type of title and how it would be a disclosure at this time of the kind of | 01:37:11 | |
| exchange. OK. Yeah. | 01:37:15 | |
| Umm Dr. Throughs. Uh, we, we did make some edits. Umm. | 01:37:19 | |
| We kind of reverted back to our our original code from what we presented in the past. | 01:37:23 | |
| Umm, but we do want to. There's quite a few updates such as human links, catalog entrances, uh, to buildings or parking spaces. | 01:37:28 | |
| Umm, we are gonna require a trafficking spewing study for every drive through. We wanna make sure that that SKU's aren't going out | 01:37:35 | |
| into the public St. | 01:37:39 | |
| Umm and and causing issues. I know some restaurants have that that problem. | 01:37:43 | |
| Umm and then food trucks, if they have a drive through, they can follow the standards of this section. | 01:37:47 | |
| So we were originally strapping the idea that you need to get a conditional use permit to put a drive through. | 01:37:52 | |
| Umm, we're we're reverting back and keeping that effect. | 01:37:58 | |
| OK, umm. | 01:38:02 | |
| Before moving on and I just wanna give my opinion. | 01:38:03 | |
| And it is only one person's opinion. | 01:38:07 | |
| I like the idea of if you have a swimming pool in your backyard, you have to have a fenced in yard that isn't open and shared with | 01:38:11 | |
| the neighbors. I'm of the opinion that it should be able to be completely closed off just out of safety. OK, if if you want, we | 01:38:17 | |
| can, we can include that in the in the recommendation to the City Council. | 01:38:23 | |
| Umm, we can provide these notes. Umm, I have talked to some members of the council about this already. | 01:38:30 | |
| Umm, so. | 01:38:35 | |
| But that that will make note of that. | 01:38:37 | |
| Yeah. | 01:38:39 | |
| Umm, here are those new uses that I mentioned before. Check cashing. | 01:38:40 | |
| Uh, we have a distance requirement, so we're saying you can only have one every, I think half mile from another. | 01:38:44 | |
| Umm and then no more than one for 10,000 residents. | 01:38:49 | |
| Umm in the city short term rentals. Big update here. I know last time we had a lot of discussion about this and. | 01:38:52 | |
| You know, I think Bryce is saying, well, I don't want people to have short commercial license in my neighborhood. I'll just buy | 01:38:58 | |
| the license and or not. We we got rid of all of that and we're to the point where. | 01:39:03 | |
| Umm we're only allowing them within multi family complexes within the RMU with professional on site management. That's their 24/7. | 01:39:08 | |
| And if you think back 20 minutes ago. | 01:39:15 | |
| As I was presenting, we're building it out for that building that they buy. The development agreement needs to provide short term | 01:39:18 | |
| rentals. | 01:39:22 | |
| Yeah, and, and, and anticipated too. I mean that that's the type of use that that is good. Umm, and so if a project is built with | 01:39:26 | |
| that use of minds like what theirs was, then they're accounting for any of those detrimental impacts that could come from the | 01:39:31 | |
| short term mental. So, umm. | 01:39:36 | |
| You know, I'd be feel like that's a good model moving forward if we do, there is some interest in allowing short term rentals in, | 01:39:41 | |
| uh, the single family neighborhood. | 01:39:44 | |
| And we felt just like that. | 01:39:48 | |
| Was a pretty big lesson. There's probably a lot more public outreach that needs to occur before we we allow something to be a more | 01:39:50 | |
| widespread. | 01:39:54 | |
| Uh, so. | 01:40:00 | |
| Uh, yeah. EE essentially is designed for that one building. Even like Edgewater or the yeah Edgewater townhomes, this would not be | 01:40:02 | |
| permitted there. They don't have 24/7 on site management. | 01:40:08 | |
| Umm, we're we're really restricting it to that one partial? | 01:40:13 | |
| Uh, mobile food courts, uh, this is designed that there's three or more food trucks on a lot. They need to go through site plan | 01:40:17 | |
| process, initially use permit. | 01:40:21 | |
| Provide bathrooms and and whatnot. | 01:40:25 | |
| Umm tobacco retail, tobacco specialty business. This is like a a vape shop. | 01:40:28 | |
| Umm, there is a separation requirement from community locations of like school parks. | 01:40:33 | |
| Churches, umm, we we have a definition for that later on. | 01:40:39 | |
| And then no more than one for 25,000 residents there. | 01:40:42 | |
| In cash to clarify on that one, that was really just the kind of set. | 01:40:46 | |
| Parameters in place, we would still have the opportunity. | 01:40:49 | |
| To accept or deny an application. That's correct. | 01:40:52 | |
| Yeah, Yeah. I mean, essentially one could come to the city and say we want to bring in a vape shop and we'll make sure that all | 01:40:56 | |
| these parameters. | 01:40:59 | |
| Umm, and if they don't say, you know, if we already have one and we're only at 2520 thousand residents, we would no longer accept | 01:41:03 | |
| new businesses until. | 01:41:07 | |
| We use that new threshold, but we would still. | 01:41:12 | |
| We would servicing the opportunity to say, hey, we don't feel like this is our it's a conditional use. | 01:41:15 | |
| So, umm, and that, that's a really great question because in, in Utah, though. | 01:41:22 | |
| Umm, it it is unlike some other states. | 01:41:27 | |
| Umm, A conditional use from the is essentially A permitted use. | 01:41:29 | |
| But it allows you as the Planning Commission another layer of of of kind of oversight. Yeah, you can, you can, you can provide, | 01:41:34 | |
| you can provide conditions. | 01:41:38 | |
| Umm, to mitigate detrimental impacts to neighboring properties. But, umm, to be honest, you know, we've studied this quite a bit | 01:41:43 | |
| from, umm, our attorney. And just like legal training, it's, it's really hard to deny a conditionally. Mm-hmm. | 01:41:50 | |
| And so you you got to understand when you list something execution use you pretty much. | 01:41:57 | |
| It's a permanent use, but you're allowed to add a lot of conditions. | 01:42:01 | |
| To to mitigate umm impacts. OK, so one example of that is the mixture car wash. We have them do a sound study in that sound study | 01:42:05 | |
| showed that. | 01:42:09 | |
| Thing you're gonna put up a a barrier wall between them and Edgewater townhomes to prevent the sound from. | 01:42:13 | |
| I'm going over under the neighboring property so if you ever go there you'll see that they have AI. Think a 10 foot tall sound | 01:42:19 | |
| wall between them and edge water now. | 01:42:22 | |
| Umm, so yeah, essentially. But yeah, that's the retail, the back of special business. I think it's uh, conditional in the regional | 01:42:26 | |
| commercial zone. | 01:42:30 | |
| So. | 01:42:35 | |
| Uh, site planning and design requirements, uh, we've made this is once again the the goal of this was to remove any subjective | 01:42:37 | |
| language from the code and replace it with objective or measurable language. | 01:42:42 | |
| Umm, if you sound a lot like like floppy language, it's like the city wants you to encourages this or whatnot. And and there's no | 01:42:47 | |
| way as planners as we get an application to measure that necessarily. So we tried our best to remove all of that subjective | 01:42:52 | |
| language and replace it with. | 01:42:57 | |
| How can we measure that? Right? So in the purpose statement, though, we did include, umm, more of that, that fluffier language of | 01:43:03 | |
| here's kind of the idea of what we want to promote. | 01:43:07 | |
| And then within the the code itself is the steps of how we'll do that. | 01:43:12 | |
| Umm, I know like Daria was here when you went over this, and she was disappointed to see, like we were moving a lot of language | 01:43:17 | |
| about historic and oral character. We're doing that because it's really hard to measure what that means. So we put that instead | 01:43:22 | |
| into the purpose statement, and we do want to encourage that kind of development. | 01:43:27 | |
| Umm. And and we do that in the the code itself by talking about like materials that we're gonna allow, right? | 01:43:32 | |
| Umm. And so that's. | 01:43:39 | |
| Going into detail on that, we're gonna require 2 project features. Umm. | 01:43:40 | |
| This you can think of like, for example, would be like that vineyard sign on The Mavericks. Uh, if you've seen that wall there, | 01:43:45 | |
| they have a big vineyard time that, that'd be an example of a project feature that we want to see. | 01:43:49 | |
| Umm for entry features, public art, streetscape designs, umm. | 01:43:54 | |
| Pedestrian uh, cut off pedestrian recycling facilities. | 01:43:57 | |
| So they can put like a bike repair station or something like that. | 01:44:01 | |
| Umm, but that's something the office proposed in their site plan application, you know, we'll, we'll ask if, if this is enough for | 01:44:04 | |
| the Planning Commission. You guys will decide on that. | 01:44:08 | |
| Umm, we want to see articulation on all facades for every 30 feet of of the facade. They need to, uh. | 01:44:13 | |
| Make make changes. Umm, variations on the roofline every 50 feet. We wanna see changes there. | 01:44:19 | |
| Umm, and then recesses and projections every 100 feet. | 01:44:25 | |
| Umm, and then, uh, we have a requirement of two architectural details. So that is, like I said when I was talking about the | 01:44:29 | |
| historic enrollment here, we have some, our architecture of the details and materials that we're gonna require now. Uh, it's, it's | 01:44:34 | |
| all laid out like the stone and exposed metal. | 01:44:40 | |
| And stuff like that. | 01:44:46 | |
| Umm. | 01:44:50 | |
| OK. Uh, continuing on, we're gonna allow up to 15% of the existing building footprint to be expanded as a pipeline amendment. | 01:44:51 | |
| Umm, this, this was just kind of a Gray area in the codes. So now we're actually measuring how do we justify what the site plan | 01:45:00 | |
| amendment? | 01:45:03 | |
| Umm, and that will require going back to the Planning Commission for approval. | 01:45:06 | |
| Umm, and same thing with accessory structures. We're doing that, you know, if it, if it reaches a certain threshold, it goes to | 01:45:10 | |
| the Planning Commission for approval. | 01:45:14 | |
| Umm, we're making it so there there has to be 1 main entrance facing the street and that main entrance has to be improved in some | 01:45:18 | |
| way, elevated in a certain with certain materials. | 01:45:22 | |
| Umm, or landscaping, or like a Plaza, or, you know, just something to drop people to that main entrance. | 01:45:28 | |
| Umm, we're gonna require, uh, there's certain requirements for pedestrian scale if the building is over 20 feet tall. | 01:45:34 | |
| Umm and then 60% of the building must be a primary material. | 01:45:41 | |
| Umm, that we once again we have listed. | 01:45:46 | |
| Umm, only 5% of us thought maybe in accent color. We had a problem in the past of the. | 01:45:48 | |
| Certain bright blue. | 01:45:53 | |
| Umm, industrial building that. | 01:45:55 | |
| Umm, our code. Just kind of. | 01:45:57 | |
| Try to keep colors you know, and harmonious with the nature or whatever. And that's really hard for us to. | 01:45:59 | |
| Say what that means. | 01:46:06 | |
| Yeah. And so now we're saying this is an accent color, you can have up to 5% of it, right? | 01:46:07 | |
| Umm, we, we have a lot of discussion about, uh, view corridors in the section of, of how can we measure that, right? If somebody | 01:46:13 | |
| builds on a lot next to you, how can you protect your views? And you don't necessarily own that land. | 01:46:19 | |
| Umm, so just point here that a view corridor analysis may be required by the the Planning Commission. We, we like to avoid the | 01:46:26 | |
| word may umm, but in this instance it's very it's just subjective of, you know, if a building is. | 01:46:31 | |
| Taller or in a certain location like like Top Golf for example. | 01:46:38 | |
| That'd be a great example of where we could have required a view portal analysis. | 01:46:42 | |
| Umm, but they a. | 01:46:46 | |
| You know, a candy shop, I don't think it's necessary so. | 01:46:48 | |
| Yeah, uh, I remember talking quite a bit about the May. Yeah, yeah, that umm. | 01:46:52 | |
| Just opens up. | 01:46:58 | |
| Quite a bit so. | 01:47:00 | |
| I I under I totally get why here, uh. | 01:47:02 | |
| Sure. I just wish we had some kind of these are the circumstances in which a few quarter analysis and what I did is I I looked at | 01:47:06 | |
| surrounding communities to see what they had in terms of this like if they have map or certain features that that had to be proven | 01:47:11 | |
| that they're. | 01:47:16 | |
| Visible from from any location and there there's really no like best practice in the nearby communities. | 01:47:21 | |
| Umm, but what I'm thinking is what we could do and, and this might be a later on text amendment that, that, you know, we, we | 01:47:27 | |
| examine this one more holistically is we could create a map of, of our community as well as the surrounding area and we can show | 01:47:32 | |
| kind of these are the main corridors that we need to protect. | 01:47:38 | |
| Umm, And if you're building Wi-Fi in these areas, you do have to provide this view forward. I just don't think that. | 01:47:44 | |
| That that would fit within this. | 01:47:50 | |
| Uh, zoning text amendment. Totally agree. We did do something. | 01:47:53 | |
| It kind of, you know, I, I, I guess as a standard on the lakefront commercial district in downtown. | 01:47:58 | |
| Umm, we, we, we have a small percentage of of the pads that can go up to six stories and the rest of my limited three stories. | 01:48:05 | |
| Uh, so that you're you're maintaining use to to the lake, umm. | 01:48:13 | |
| So there was concern that we might get like some really big six store structures that would extend all the way through. So the | 01:48:17 | |
| City Council wanted to make sure that those were lo just little limited portions of the of the project and that took, you know, | 01:48:22 | |
| most of it is below 3. | 01:48:27 | |
| OK. | 01:48:33 | |
| And the last last, uh, section of of this. | 01:48:35 | |
| Umm, section is landscaping accessories and you provide one landscaping accessories for that be a a bench. It could be some art, | 01:48:39 | |
| public art. It could be a sort of cauldron, yeah. | 01:48:44 | |
| You know, just something to to bring out a little bit more like elevation to the site rather than just gravel and trees. | 01:48:51 | |
| OK, we're almost finished here. Uh, other sections we, we really didn't want to touch parking too much in this update. Umm, but | 01:48:59 | |
| what we are doing is we're adding measurements for 45° angled parking. | 01:49:05 | |
| Umm, let's start measuring that. We don't have any way to do that right now. So we're adding that in there. Umm, and then we are | 01:49:10 | |
| changing how we measure the screening. It was kind of vague. We're just saying you need to provide show that there's three feet | 01:49:14 | |
| of, of screening. | 01:49:18 | |
| Umm, how many large parking lot? | 01:49:22 | |
| Umm and then landscaping I I'm not sure if we brought this. | 01:49:26 | |
| Hi from Yeah. | 01:49:29 | |
| Yeah, umm. | 01:49:31 | |
| I, I don't know who brought this forward to you guys or not before, umm, but this is something we've been working with, with | 01:49:32 | |
| Nasimon for. | 01:49:35 | |
| Four years. | 01:49:39 | |
| Uh, and that would be the equivalent acre formula. | 01:49:41 | |
| Umm, for measuring open space, essentially what it does is we want to see the open space that people are providing is actual | 01:49:44 | |
| usable open space. | 01:49:47 | |
| You know, if somebody is proposing a development with a large retaining pond that is not open to the public, it's completely | 01:49:51 | |
| soaked stock. | 01:49:54 | |
| That is not open space, but. | 01:49:58 | |
| You know. | 01:50:00 | |
| Infrastructure, yeah. | 01:50:01 | |
| And so now we have this formula that we can essentially map out or calculate. | 01:50:02 | |
| You know, if this is that closed off area, we're gonna give you .1 credit or no credit for that. Where you're building a park, you | 01:50:07 | |
| get a full credit for it. | 01:50:11 | |
| Right. And so now we'll, we'll be able to plug that into our formula and make sure that they're hitting our open space department. | 01:50:14 | |
| That are actually usable open space. Is there anything you wanted to add to that machine? | 01:50:20 | |
| Just that you're happy I'm getting it done. | 01:50:25 | |
| So. | 01:50:28 | |
| Uh, this is, I think the last slide that I do have is these are all the new definitions that were, umm, either modifying or | 01:50:30 | |
| adding, umm, what we've done is we've combed through the, the planning or the zoning code up. | 01:50:36 | |
| Definitions tab, the municipal code, the special purpose zoning district, there's all of our books. We've looked at the | 01:50:43 | |
| vaccinations to make sure that they are the same. That way people can't. | 01:50:47 | |
| Argue what a basement is according to the city. It's all the same in all of our chapters or all of our books, so. | 01:50:52 | |
| That's all I have. | 01:51:05 | |
| OK, if there's any of these you want more details I can show, I can pull up the code and show you the specific language that we | 01:51:07 | |
| wrote in there, but it should all be in the package as well. | 01:51:11 | |
| Appreciate it. | 01:51:16 | |
| Umm, I know we interrupted a bit during the presentation. Are there any questions or stuff? | 01:51:17 | |
| OK. | 01:51:24 | |
| This is a public hearing, so we'll go ahead and open it. Are there any public comment? | 01:51:25 | |
| Alright. | 01:51:30 | |
| Hi this is the link someone has to do it right. | 01:51:34 | |
| It can find your way up here and talk to everybody else. You made it. | 01:51:37 | |
| So with along with the. | 01:51:42 | |
| Commissioner Carbon, I'm I'm concerned about the the. | 01:51:44 | |
| Tobacco spot and also the tattoo pyres. I mean we. | 01:51:47 | |
| Uh, uh, those can't be committed uses we have to permit. Can we like, exclude them? | 01:51:51 | |
| I wouldn't know this too. Yeah, well, well. | 01:51:57 | |
| Suggest that after the public hearing that's anyway that's that. Yeah, that would be a good question. | 01:51:59 | |
| Everything else seems pretty reasonable. Umm. | 01:52:04 | |
| You know I I would. | 01:52:08 | |
| Maybe have a quest. I have a couple of particulars but I have to think of the actual application to have a particular SO. | 01:52:09 | |
| I don't know. | 01:52:15 | |
| Right. Thanks. OK, Thank you. | 01:52:15 | |
| Anyone else? | 01:52:20 | |
| Alright, seeing none, we'll close the public hearing. | 01:52:23 | |
| Umm, I don't know if you wanna go into more detail about, uh, prohibiting businesses. | 01:52:26 | |
| Umm, I just know in my experience we've faced it in other communities with tobacco, tattoo, adult oriented businesses. | 01:52:30 | |
| Umm. | 01:52:38 | |
| Marijuana, cannabis or businesses? | 01:52:39 | |
| And it is near impossible to completely prohibit a specific use due to constitutional rights. | 01:52:43 | |
| However. | 01:52:51 | |
| Like we've displayed in the code. | 01:52:52 | |
| There's cities that can make it very hard and to varying degrees the outright prohibit. I've never seen the city successfully do | 01:52:55 | |
| it without getting sued. | 01:52:59 | |
| Yeah, yeah. And what you said? | 01:53:04 | |
| May I recommend that we make it as difficult as possible? | 01:53:07 | |
| So yeah, yeah, for example, right now if they vape shop wanted to come into Vineyard, we would have to look at our code to see | 01:53:11 | |
| what we think is best fit category. And that might just be like retail, right Or you know, I. | 01:53:17 | |
| And and and at that point it opens up. | 01:53:24 | |
| Right next to the puppy barn. You're gonna have bingo. Umm. | 01:53:27 | |
| David's vape shop, right? And, and that's exactly what we've done in other communities. | 01:53:29 | |
| Is it has to be X feet away from any school, park, residence, place of worship or commercial? | 01:53:36 | |
| The place that is attractive to families or minors and that pretty much comes up every single. | 01:53:45 | |
| By us, by us calling out these uses, it helps us to to regulate them more than they are right now. Right now they can just. | 01:53:52 | |
| Drop into any retail environment. And so by actually calling them out just to have some standards attached to them. Yeah, that did | 01:53:58 | |
| make sense in your intent there, but I just didn't know the, uh, like what could be done? What else could we do to prohibit? Yeah, | 01:54:05 | |
| so you can see in this is the the refactor specialty business. | 01:54:11 | |
| Umm, we we list here that they have to be 1000 feet away from any community location. We list all of those out and it does make it | 01:54:18 | |
| very difficult to build one in vineyards. | 01:54:23 | |
| They could probably build one over by the power plant and be OK, right. But I mean, that's essentially what would that be | 01:54:28 | |
| consistent with the market strategy in order to profitable business, right, right. That's one thing that because ever has business | 01:54:35 | |
| owner, I don't wanna push my own world onto others. Uh, but I would hope that any person hoping to run a business. | 01:54:42 | |
| Didn't make savvy. Yeah, what what we've done here, especially in this chapter here we've worked with umm. | 01:54:49 | |
| The Utah County Health Department. | 01:54:54 | |
| Umm, to make sure that this file was in state code too? Umm. | 01:54:56 | |
| Kelly in our business licensing department kind of been spearheading this and she's on a phenomenal job that making sure that | 01:55:01 | |
| we're crossing our. | 01:55:04 | |
| Keys and dotting our is. | 01:55:08 | |
| So great. | 01:55:10 | |
| Thanks, umm. | 01:55:12 | |
| OK. | 01:55:15 | |
| Are there any other questions? | 01:55:17 | |
| Alright. | 01:55:20 | |
| Umm the sample motion is to recommend approval of the ordinance to the City Council. | 01:55:21 | |
| Uh, is there a motion? | 01:55:27 | |
| Oh my God. | 01:55:30 | |
| To accept. | 01:55:32 | |
| To to we're not going to have approval, all right, of the ordinances presented. | 01:55:33 | |
| Uh, is there a second? A second? | 01:55:37 | |
| All right, all in favor. | 01:55:39 | |
| Aye, any opposed? | 01:55:40 | |
| It passes unanimously. | 01:55:43 | |
| Alright. | 01:55:45 | |
| You know how spoiled we are of the Commission when a 2 hour meeting is always seems like a long one. | 01:55:47 | |
| But this is great. Thank you everyone. I, I will add real quick next until we, we do have a lot of items as well for the agenda. | 01:55:53 | |
| So just looking forward to it. | 01:55:58 | |
| They they ho honestly, a lot of exciting things really can be sampled right, OK. | 01:56:03 | |
| Uh, let's move on. Uh, there's no work session on the agenda, Staffing Commission reports. | 01:56:10 | |
| Is there anything worth reporting by our staff? | 01:56:15 | |
| I will add just real quick, uh, the Linden Heritage Trail that we've shown showed you on the lot 6 type plan that's well underway | 01:56:19 | |
| under construction right now. Umm, and hopefully we'll connect into this. | 01:56:24 | |
| Thank you. Great. | 01:56:30 | |
| Pretty exciting. | 01:56:33 | |
| Wonderful. Thank you. | 01:56:34 | |
| Umm, do you have something to see? Oh yeah, I understand. So I've been here. It's just trailed up, uh, under way, uh, in terms of | 01:56:36 | |
| construction. | 01:56:40 | |
| He did a pen in hand which the things are a review of, uh, final construction design with the dot in terms of the trail | 01:56:44 | |
| enhancement project, which covers. | 01:56:48 | |
| Installing a hawk system at. | 01:56:53 | |
| Center Street, where the current crossing is by Gannon Park. | 01:56:55 | |
| So changing it up for me. | 01:56:59 | |
| The RRFD to Hawk Hawk is in essence allows for higher visibility in that crosswalk for people. | 01:57:01 | |
| Umm, cash. And I did look at options about doing a. | 01:57:09 | |
| Automatic wedge, uh, barrier that would come up. | 01:57:13 | |
| OK, so I, I would love to, I would love to go out on that Ralph, Ralph. That was back in my old days. | 01:57:17 | |
| But, umm, but, and, uh, seriousness. Moving further on, where would that scale connection with ACT? We would. | 01:57:23 | |
| Make modifications. | 01:57:29 | |
| Uh, along the par, uh, Gavin Park side. | 01:57:31 | |
| And make the trial connection. | 01:57:34 | |
| To actually connect into the Gavin Park Trail system as well. | 01:57:36 | |
| Uh, moving further South, do you think that I've seen the inter the elementary, that intersection with the? | 01:57:40 | |
| The for the arms to these, uh, like 5 parts, uh, working with Ormcity diligently. Now this is something that, uh. | 01:57:46 | |
| Uh, Morgan, uh, and I have, uh, you know, I've been fishing corporate for three years now with Arm City. | 01:57:53 | |
| That's where they're going to realign their parking lot, uh, ex entrance exits. | 01:58:00 | |
| Parking lots in order to line up to the. | 01:58:05 | |
| Uh, of the the to the South side. | 01:58:08 | |
| As well as, uh, adding, uh, a. | 01:58:11 | |
| Moving forward, potentially having a. | 01:58:14 | |
| Traffic signal down. | 01:58:17 | |
| As well as they know to include pedestrian crossing, of course. | 01:58:18 | |
| Uh and uh. | 01:58:23 | |
| Yeah, if it doesn't crossing umm. | 01:58:26 | |
| We're going back to Mountain Association government in regards because it does, uh, it does come with the additional fee. | 01:58:28 | |
| On that, uh, and of course. | 01:58:34 | |
| Umm uh, so those are fine hands getting ready for construction. Umm. | 01:58:36 | |
| The over the $400.00 we did need with the. | 01:58:42 | |
| Developer in regards to going through their initial design plan. | 01:58:46 | |
| Uh, on, uh, their initial plans for the roadway, uh, construction. | 01:58:51 | |
| Uh, uh, on that particular item. | 01:58:57 | |
| And, uh, Morgan, myself and and a few others. | 01:58:59 | |
| Uh discussed uh uh discuss inclu incorporating. | 01:59:03 | |
| Bicycle, uh, range and the railway. | 01:59:08 | |
| Uh, things that I'm into the right way. | 01:59:11 | |
| So when the final designs do come. | 01:59:13 | |
| Uh, we will make sure that that's coordinated to the fining office to the appropriate. | 01:59:16 | |
| Uh, ACC at the Transportation Commission and planning as well. | 01:59:20 | |
| For that so. | 01:59:25 | |
| I always have a lot of stuff. | 01:59:28 | |
| Oh, alright. And then, uh. | 01:59:30 | |
| Kind of going back into uh planning slash pedestrians, uh, we have uh did signed a contract for it. | 01:59:32 | |
| A traffic signal at 400 N and Mill Rd. | 01:59:39 | |
| Umm, I'm out in that traffic. e-mail does include pedestrian crossing. | 01:59:44 | |
| As well as, uh, if I'm working with the planners. | 01:59:48 | |
| And engineering, uh, in terms of, uh. | 01:59:51 | |
| Uh, items we can do to make that more pedestrian? | 01:59:54 | |
| Friendly and. | 01:59:58 | |
| More than just the traffic signal. | 01:59:59 | |
| On that, that's just a small bit of a lot of things that the planets have been working on. | 02:00:01 | |
| Engineering and support so. | 02:00:06 | |
| All right, cool. Thank you. Thanks. | 02:00:09 | |
| Alright. | 02:00:13 | |
| That is everything. | 02:00:14 | |
| I think we can adjourn. | 02:00:16 | |
| OK, we're adjourned. | 02:00:18 | |
| Thank you everyone. | 02:00:20 |