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Event transcript
Good evening everyone. We're going to start by. 00:00:53
Me making a motion that David will act as our chair pro temporary. 00:00:56
For this evening. 00:01:02
I don't know if anybody would second that. 00:01:04
Umm. 00:01:10
All in favor. 00:01:13
Aye. Thank you, David. 00:01:16
Going to begin the meeting. 00:01:21
Thank you, going to be getting a meeting tonight. 00:01:24
Like to welcome everyone out here. 00:01:27
Concerned citizens and those involved directly in. 00:01:30
The agenda. 00:01:34
We will begin. 00:01:36
By having. 00:01:38
A prayer. 00:01:39
And the Pledge of Allegiance. 00:01:40
Could you do that please? 00:01:42
Yes. 00:01:43
Our Father in heaven, we are grateful this evening to meet together as a. 00:01:46
Formerly the Planning Commission. 00:01:51
For Vineyard City. 00:01:53
Guide and direct this meeting that we can accomplish the business. 00:01:57
That we have set before us. 00:02:01
That can be aware of. 00:02:03
Needs and circumstances in our city. 00:02:05
And we pray for these things in the name of Jesus Christ, Amen. 00:02:08
Amen. Please join me. 00:02:11
I pledge allegiance to the flag. 00:02:16
Of the United States of America. 00:02:18
And to the Republic for which it stands. 00:02:20
One Nation. 00:02:24
Under God. 00:02:25
Indivisible with liberty and justice for all. 00:02:26
Thank you. 00:02:34
Thank you. 00:02:37
There are no presentations or recognitions or awards. 00:02:39
Proclamation Force tonight. 00:02:42
It's item 2. We'll move on to item 3. 00:02:45
Public comment. 00:02:48
Are there any members of the? 00:02:49
Public who would love to comment. 00:02:52
Daria Evans, President welcome Martina and Jordan to flight Commission. Nice to have you faces fresh faces on the Planning 00:03:07
Commission. 00:03:12
I am grateful for this opportunity to speak and to present a concern to you today. 00:03:18
This was addressed to city staff Carla Hughes. 00:03:24
Our HOA president stopped me today and asked me about. 00:03:29
The red curving. 00:03:35
That was supposed to go into our villas at Waters Edge. 00:03:36
North entrance. 00:03:41
The reason for having that was because people have been parking their vehicles on that West side and it was becoming a dangerous. 00:03:44
Situation. 00:03:53
And she was told. 00:03:54
While you were discussing the restriping of the Vineyard Loop Rd. 00:03:57
That that would be taken care of and it has not been yet. And so she was. 00:04:02
Concerned for when it would be. 00:04:08
Taken care of. 00:04:10
I also am wondering. 00:04:13
When the impact? 00:04:15
The facilities plan and the impact fee for now. 00:04:17
The analysis. 00:04:21
Related to storm and land drains will be completed. 00:04:23
That was noticed on February 6 and I have not heard anything about that. 00:04:27
And also. 00:04:32
Tonight in the. 00:04:35
With the. 00:04:38
Business items tonight. 00:04:42
The developer. 00:04:44
This is coming up. 00:04:46
#15 the developer easement and restrictive covenants. 00:04:48
It says there are no Adus. 00:04:53
In the age restricted community on any lot smaller than 6000 square feet. 00:04:55
I'm wondering are there going to be 80 youth allowed at all in that 55? 00:05:01
Plus community larger than 6000 and are the Adu's permissible in other areas? 00:05:07
If that is the case and that new development. 00:05:13
We'll have to really reconfigure parking because we have so many problems. 00:05:16
Thank you. 00:05:21
Thank you. 00:05:27
Any other members of the public? 00:05:28
Would like to come up. 00:05:30
All right. 00:05:32
Public comments. 00:05:36
We'll go on to the consent item we need to approve. 00:05:39
The minutes of the last meeting. 00:05:42
Are there any? 00:05:47
Comments or questions about? 00:05:48
Meeting about the minutes of the last meeting, Just to clarify, this is not from the last meeting, this is from December. 00:05:50
3rd oh, December 3rd, yes. 00:05:57
The last meeting was in General. Thank you. 00:06:00
I'd move to approve the. 00:06:04
We have a motion to approve. 00:06:06
2nd. 00:06:08
2nd. 00:06:09
We have a second. 00:06:10
All in favor. 00:06:12
Aye, aye. 00:06:14
A question about the meetings from Wes. 00:06:16
From the. 00:06:18
Minutes from the last meeting? Are those just not available yet? 00:06:20
No, they're not ready to be seen. 00:06:24
I think is that one we had issues with audio recording. 00:06:27
So yeah, we we have to kind of stitch together two different. 00:06:30
Audio recordings. 00:06:34
So because our system. 00:06:35
Was not working. 00:06:37
So we'll figure that out, hopefully. 00:06:38
10. 00:06:40
All right, let's move on to the business items item 5.2. 00:06:44
2026 Planning Commission meeting calendar amendments. 00:06:48
Changing the start time from 6:00 to 7:00. 00:06:56
And there is. 00:07:01
Is there any discussion? Discussion item could be? 00:07:04
In favor of my schedule personally if we could do Tuesdays instead of Wednesdays also at 7:00. 00:07:08
I have a commitment. 00:07:18
Tuesdays at 7:00 PM every week. 00:07:20
But I do like. I am in favor of. 00:07:27
Same day, just bumping it back an hour that would be. 00:07:30
Helpful. 00:07:33
Any thoughts? 00:07:44
And is it on 2nd? 00:07:46
Which weeks does it fall in per month? 00:07:51
That's it, First and third. 00:07:53
1st and 3rd. 00:07:55
Does that work for you, Jordan? 00:08:02
I probably can't have 100% attendance if we keep it on Wednesday. 00:08:04
I'm not against. 00:08:10
Doing it on Wednesday if there's. 00:08:12
Another day, perhaps Thursday. 00:08:14
That could work, but. 00:08:16
Maybe complicating things? 00:08:19
Yeah, I don't. 00:08:23
Know that the calendar for this room. 00:08:24
Anthony is on his way here. He. 00:08:27
Has a better idea of that. 00:08:29
If we wanted to, we could. 00:08:31
Change it to 7:00 PM on Wednesdays right now and then. 00:08:33
We can have some more discussion and we can send out an e-mail to the Commission. 00:08:36
And kind of maybe a poll of what works best for you. 00:08:40
And then we can bring this back to the next meeting. 00:08:43
Let's do that. Let's change it to a Thursday or whatever it may be. 00:08:46
So as it stands, I would move to. 00:08:50
To reschedule it for 7:00 PM on Wednesdays. 00:08:54
For the wing of a second. 00:08:58
7:00 on Wednesday. 00:08:59
The motion is seconded. 00:09:04
All in favor. 00:09:06
Aye. 00:09:07
That passage meetings will now be on 1st. 00:09:11
And third Wednesday. 00:09:14
At 7:00. 00:09:16
Item 5.3. 00:09:21
Public hearing on the Ford's development. 00:09:23
Agreement. Amendment. 00:09:25
Yeah, this is just a quick note on this the the. 00:09:27
This and 5.4 the Intermountain Health development agreement. 00:09:30
They're kind of running in tandem with each other as they are very much so related. 00:09:34
And Intermountain wasn't able to make it today and so the four drafts to postpone there as well. So we are requesting that both 00:09:38
this and 5.4 be moved public hearing be moved to March. 00:09:44
18th for Planning Commission in March. 00:09:51
24 City Council, you could just say the net. Well yeah, we are planning on the. 00:09:53
Next Wednesday, so. 00:09:57
That that's their request right now is to move the public hearing. 00:09:59
But so far from the staff end of things, their development agreements are looking really good and where it works to see them. 00:10:02
Get developing over there. 00:10:08
Are there any documents that we could review? We should have those. I I could probably send them out to the the Commission this 00:10:10
week. 00:10:14
But you know, we'll, we'll definitely have it on the agenda. 00:10:19
In time, but like I said, I. 00:10:22
We're just waiting on a few more small items on the. 00:10:24
The documents. 00:10:27
But also an amount as soon as I can. 00:10:29
The document for. 00:10:31
The the development agreements themselves. 00:10:33
OK, Yep. 00:10:35
For Martina and Jordan, we typically send out the agendas and agenda packet the Thursday prior. 00:10:38
We have time to review them. 00:10:44
So that's what I guess we're looking for, the motion just to move the public. 00:10:48
To the 18th and 24th. 00:10:52
I don't know if you have to do the 24th, we'll notice it. 00:10:54
For the 24th, so a motion to move those two items 5.3 and 5.4. 00:10:57
So moved. 00:11:03
Is there a second? 00:11:06
I second listen. 00:11:08
The motion's moved and seconded all in favor. 00:11:10
Aye. 00:11:13
And those items are now moved. 00:11:15
To the next meeting in March. 00:11:19
That leaves us with. 00:11:24
All the way fields development agreement. 00:11:29
And this is a public hearing as well. So we would ask for a motion to enter in a public hearing, and that is? 00:11:35
And stuff. Do we have a motion for a public hearing? 00:11:40
I move that we go into a public hearing. 00:11:44
2nd that motion. 00:11:47
We have a. 00:11:49
1st and 2nd. 00:11:50
All in favor. 00:11:52
Aye. 00:11:54
We're now in a public hearing. 00:11:55
Concerning the holdaway fields development. 00:11:57
Agreement. Amendment. 00:12:00
Are there any members of the public that would like to come forward and. 00:12:03
Address us. 00:12:08
Is there I would have to make a staff staff presentation? 00:12:11
First, itself. 00:12:15
One second while I pull this up please. 00:12:17
While he's pulling that up, I could note Daria didn't have a question about Adus. 00:12:22
That currently isn't on the amendment. They aren't planning on changing that. 00:12:27
And if there are any lots that. 00:12:30
Meet the the state minimum we would have to require them. I don't believe there's any lots that they have proposed in the 55 plus 00:12:32
that do meet those. 00:12:36
The first the parking requirements. They have to have four on site parking. 00:12:40
Requirements. 00:12:44
As well as the lot size. 00:12:45
So, but they they are not planning on making changes to that development. 00:12:46
Part of the development agreement at all? That's not part of this. 00:12:50
Amendment. 00:12:52
Just in the same. I know she asked two other questions. I'm happy to answer it now. Oregon this wait till. 00:12:54
Answer it offline with her or even it ends. 00:12:59
I don't want to involve myself over Anthony's. 00:13:02
Stellar presentation. 00:13:05
Well, now. 00:13:09
We'll just wait till down. 00:13:11
All right. Thanks. 00:13:14
All right. Well, thank you very much. I prefer standing so. 00:13:15
My name is Anthony. 00:13:19
By the way, you all know me. 00:13:21
I'm going to be talking about the Holdaway Fields Development Agreement amendment. 00:13:23
So by way of giving a. 00:13:27
Quick summary about. 00:13:30
This whole development agreement, it was approved back in July of 2022. 00:13:31
And before this happens in general. 00:13:36
In this situation, you know the general plan was amended to be able to make this work. 00:13:39
We had a zoning district created as well as a zoning map. 00:13:44
And the neighborhood plan was also created as part of the process. 00:13:48
To make this development agreement happen. So this went over a period, a pretty long period, you know, over a year and a half. 00:13:51
To get this development agreement that we're about to talk about. 00:13:59
That's going to be amended or potentially be amended. 00:14:02
The parties involved. 00:14:06
Cadence Homes. 00:14:08
And Goodborough as the developers. 00:14:09
You know they they split up the whole development is a 295 unit. 00:14:13
You know, development and Cadence Homes has 100 and. 00:14:19
68 single family. 00:14:24
And the other is 120. 00:14:26
7 senior. 00:14:29
Housing options. 00:14:31
Currently we have. 00:14:33
10 under construction. 00:14:35
And we have 31 completed. 00:14:37
To give you a location context. 00:14:40
Most of you may be familiar with where it is, but it's located along the Main Street further South. 00:14:43
Of the City Hall if you drive down this Main Street road. 00:14:49
And the various parcels you can think of this as. 00:14:54
The Cadence home section is north of Formed itself. 00:14:57
And this is formed itself right here. Can you see my cursor? 00:15:01
Right here. 00:15:06
So South. 00:15:07
So most of everything north of Florida South is Cadence home S is. 00:15:09
Go to boroughs section. 00:15:15
So, as part of this development agreement. 00:15:19
You know, and again. 00:15:22
Every development agreement has. 00:15:23
Obligations. Uh. 00:15:25
By the city. 00:15:26
And by the developer. 00:15:27
In this case by the. 00:15:29
Developer, uh. 00:15:31
They are required to provide us with three parks. 00:15:32
Which is the East Park. 00:15:34
On the far right of it. 00:15:36
The Westlake Park. 00:15:40
And the trailhead park. 00:15:41
So the Trail 1 is going to be the one on the north on the West side. 00:15:43
They're going to also provide a senior house. 00:15:48
House and clubhouse and amenities. 00:15:50
And also ensure that. 00:15:52
All the road connections. 00:15:54
Better connect with existing Rd. systems and trails in the city. 00:15:58
Where's the senior housing? 00:16:02
The orange one right here. All of these ones. 00:16:07
35 plus. 00:16:10
It's a light blue. 00:16:12
Oh, you mean the you mean the clubhouse? 00:16:14
No, the senior housing, yeah, all the. 00:16:16
Orange. All these ones. 00:16:19
These ones right here. 00:16:23
South or former South? 00:16:25
Those two yellow areas are all three. 00:16:27
Can you say that again? 00:16:31
That all three of those yellow areas or. 00:16:33
Just the 2. 00:16:37
Of actually 4 if you look at it that way. 00:16:39
So I you know. 00:16:43
This side is all part of it. 00:16:45
Can you see my cursor? 00:16:47
And uh. 00:16:49
This area as well this entire. 00:16:50
The little lots that you see, they're much tighter. 00:16:52
Those are the. 00:16:55
Yeah, OK. 00:16:57
I just count them as 3. 00:16:59
OK, Yeah. 00:17:02
Anyway, so I'll move on. 00:17:03
With the parks that they have to do, you know? 00:17:06
Delivered to the city as part of their obligation. 00:17:09
It was and many other amenities. 00:17:12
Were tied to different faces because of such a big development and we can ask them to build. 00:17:15
All three parts right away, all the roads right away. 00:17:21
So this was broken down and attached to sudden faces. 00:17:23
So the West Park. 00:17:27
Which is gonna be the. 00:17:28
Far West one, the big one on the South. 00:17:30
West is intended to be completed. 00:17:33
Prior to having. 00:17:37
The face you know the certificate of occupancy for. 00:17:38
Any home in faith free. 00:17:42
You know and and. 00:17:45
The other two parts. 00:17:46
We're also tied to. 00:17:48
Certificate of Occupancy for anything in phase seven homes. 00:17:50
As well, so that is. 00:17:54
You know when we talk about the park deliveries? 00:17:56
And these are the park programming that was? 00:17:58
Discussed at the time of the development agreement on what is essentially expected of them to do in the park. 00:18:01
And I'll get to other things. 00:18:08
Further down. 00:18:10
This presentation. 00:18:11
So the senior clubhouse as well as the pool and other amenities. 00:18:16
Are expected to be built. 00:18:20
Or I mean planted with phase 4. 00:18:23
And constructed and completed prior to. 00:18:25
The 54th. 00:18:28
Home in the 55 plus community. 00:18:30
So they have something to go to. 00:18:33
As the community continues to grow. 00:18:36
Here are the main. 00:18:39
Road connections. 00:18:41
That. 00:18:42
Does development agreements. 00:18:43
Expects the development to connect to better by providing. 00:18:45
Better roads with the same or prescribed. 00:18:49
Road, you know, layouts or cross sections that match the existing. 00:18:53
City requirements. 00:18:58
As well as trails. 00:18:59
Now the requested amendment. 00:19:03
I'm going to break this down into two. 00:19:06
The first one is to. 00:19:08
Revise the entire phase and plan now. Before we got to this point, we've been working with them. 00:19:11
On many other revisions. 00:19:17
Where, you know, we we classify that as a minor amendment. 00:19:20
It did not require a lot of changes, it was. 00:19:24
Literally. Oh, we want to switch. 00:19:27
You know a number of locks here. 00:19:29
And make this lot happen because of the market. 00:19:31
You know, and that is essentially. 00:19:34
What they have? 00:19:36
Further, you know, done some research to come up with. 00:19:37
The reasoning behind the. 00:19:40
Face and plan revision. 00:19:42
To meet the market need. 00:19:44
You know, uh. 00:19:46
Us to. 00:19:46
You know what was? 00:19:48
Initially agreed and that would in turn change the part completion and. 00:19:49
You know, dedication timing as well. So these are the main. 00:19:54
Focuses on essentially what they're asking for this. 00:19:57
Amendment. Umm. 00:20:02
Now we have. 00:20:05
In the in the agenda packet. 00:20:07
Uh-huh. The final development agreement. 00:20:10
Or I should say the new one, no. So what we have is, yeah, the proposed 1, yes. 00:20:15
It's not the final. 00:20:23
All right, so. 00:20:26
I met all these things they're doing. It's not going to change the number of units that have been. 00:20:28
Originally approved 295 still stays the same. 00:20:32
They're asking to move things around. It's going to affect the. 00:20:35
Essentially timing of the park and when studying amenities come in. 00:20:39
And that would also be beneficial for them. 00:20:44
Based on the market. 00:20:46
Friends or whatever they're seeing in the market. 00:20:47
In turn, staff was also met. 00:20:50
And also. 00:20:52
I've done a lot of discussions to. 00:20:54
Have. 00:20:56
A few concerns. 00:20:57
Addressed while we're amending it anyway. 00:20:59
And one of those concerns are the impact fees. 00:21:02
So in the original development agreement that has been approved. 00:21:05
Approved. Umm. 00:21:07
The developers were able to effectively negotiate. 00:21:10
To the point where they lock in an impact fee. 00:21:14
Right and. 00:21:17
I understand there were. 00:21:19
Over 25 variations of. 00:21:21
You know, trying to. 00:21:23
Make this. 00:21:24
This development agreement work. 00:21:26
But still we're able to, you know, get this impact fee. 00:21:28
Locked in. 00:21:31
Meaning that at the time that this impact. 00:21:32
This agreement was signed. 00:21:36
The impact fees will stay. 00:21:37
Essentially the same. 00:21:39
Until the last building is built. 00:21:42
However, there's a caveat there. 00:21:44
This agreement is between. 00:21:47
Vineyard City. 00:21:48
And the developer? 00:21:50
And there are other fees on the impact fees. 00:21:51
That we don't have control over. So even though the development agreement. 00:21:54
They say that they're going to. 00:21:57
Lock in the impact fee. 00:21:59
For this one. 00:22:01
It did not lock in little things like, you know. 00:22:03
You know not to say little things, but. 00:22:05
Like TSSD, like water and. 00:22:07
Other things that you know, sewer and all that that. 00:22:10
Vineyard does. 00:22:13
At the time, did not really control and it was still. 00:22:14
Keep going up. 00:22:17
As long as they keep changing it. 00:22:18
So now we have still no control over. 00:22:20
And also so that's the impact fee concerned we want to. 00:22:23
Do what is done. 00:22:28
You know, standard practice. 00:22:29
In our cities, we've discussed this internally. 00:22:31
What is what is done? Essentially is. 00:22:34
At the point of pulling a building permit. 00:22:37
Impact fees are calculated. 00:22:40
And at that point you get. 00:22:43
The new amount. 00:22:45
Now, uh. 00:22:46
This is the kind of impact you're going to. 00:22:47
You know, get with this kind of building, so it's going to cost you this amount. 00:22:49
That's not the case right now. They're still locked in. 00:22:54
So if we could change that. 00:22:58
To be what the you know. 00:22:59
Were requesting. 00:23:01
It's going to be beneficial for the city. 00:23:03
Now the other point that we are. 00:23:06
Recommending is having at least one year. 00:23:08
Period for City Council to decide. 00:23:12
On the East Park. 00:23:14
Which is the one on 400 S? 00:23:15
All the way to the east of the development. 00:23:18
On which structures we're keeping? 00:23:21
The intent I've heard. 00:23:23
From residents and the previous council. 00:23:25
That they wanted to. 00:23:28
You know, say some of these silos and. 00:23:30
Barnes to, you know, just add that historic feature. 00:23:32
To the park. 00:23:36
So we want to give Council at least some time. 00:23:39
To deliberate on. 00:23:42
Exactly what they want. 00:23:43
Because our cost implications to. 00:23:45
If we decide to later on along the line. 00:23:47
Change our minds on things that. 00:23:51
We don't want to be demolished, right? 00:23:53
They have. 00:23:55
You know, when I say they, I mean developers just have to demolish everything. 00:23:56
And build as the walls. Negotiate at a time. Demolish everything. 00:24:01
Go to park, you know, like. 00:24:05
Pavilions. Benches. 00:24:07
Thought that's it. Color good. 00:24:09
No crazy amenities, but if we're going to keep any of these. 00:24:12
Want to think through it so much? 00:24:15
So that. 00:24:18
When the developer. 00:24:19
Decides to build that park at that point. 00:24:20
Because things are going to change. 00:24:23
With this new amendment. 00:24:25
That would be the first part going in. 00:24:26
We would have the chance to make any changes. 00:24:31
We would have the chance to. 00:24:35
Save some structures and make it the way we. 00:24:36
Make it. 00:24:39
And if we decide to change our minds, we bear the cost for demolishing all of those, which could be very expensive as well for the 00:24:40
city. 00:24:43
So, umm. 00:24:47
These are the ask from staff. 00:24:48
While they're also asking a couple of things that I've already shared. 00:24:50
So this is the originally approved phase in plan. 00:24:55
Just to give you an idea. 00:24:58
How it looks? 00:25:00
We worked with them. 00:25:03
Last year. 00:25:05
We actually started working with them. 00:25:06
Sometime in the spring and it took us. 00:25:09
Quite a bit to get to the point in, you know, September. 00:25:11
To get an approved one which was. 00:25:16
Literally to modify. 00:25:19
You know, remove 22 lots from phase 6. 00:25:22
And incorporate them into phase two and remove 34. 00:25:25
From phase two and you know. 00:25:30
Have those are needed to phase 6? 00:25:32
And that was again. 00:25:35
The same reason why they're coming back for this amendment, it made more sense to them. 00:25:36
It made more sense for that development and. 00:25:40
At the time, we were able to get to the point where. 00:25:43
Before this happens, as part of the development agreement, you're supposed to build this road. 00:25:46
That connects 400 S Main St. to four in the South eventually. 00:25:50
So we arrived at that. 00:25:54
You know that. 00:25:56
Solid plan of. 00:25:57
Still stand by development agreement. 00:25:59
Would make these changes happen for you. 00:26:01
So hence the administrative approved. 00:26:03
You know 9162025. 00:26:06
Now this is what? 00:26:10
They're proposing. 00:26:12
Now. 00:26:14
If I go back. 00:26:17
You're going to see that there's been a lot. 00:26:20
Moved around. 00:26:22
Which effects essentially. 00:26:24
Everything else. 00:26:27
Which is the parts and delivery of some amenities and all that. 00:26:28
Staff has no issues with it. 00:26:31
We you know. 00:26:33
They've done the market study. 00:26:34
They think. 00:26:35
We're great. Well, we only ask is the impact fee. 00:26:37
And some time for Council. 00:26:41
Or residents of the city. 00:26:43
To decide on what they want for East Park. 00:26:45
Truly before it gets to the point. 00:26:48
Have them side by side so you can. 00:26:52
Have a better visual? 00:26:55
Of. 00:26:56
What they're asking and what has been approved. 00:26:57
And we have, you know, even. 00:27:01
Before this, we've worked with them on many other. 00:27:02
Things you know where? 00:27:05
Where they were not meeting some landscaping requirements. 00:27:07
You know, getting some lots sizes adjusted in certain ways. We've worked with them a lot. 00:27:11
But it's gotten to the point where we're also requesting for some few changes that could. 00:27:16
You know, be. 00:27:21
Beneficial and is actually standard practice for. 00:27:22
For the. 00:27:27
Now next steps. 00:27:29
So the developer. 00:27:32
Want some changes in the city? Want some changes? 00:27:34
Yes, and you all have been working it out. We've been working it out, but I must say, and I have the developer here. 00:27:36
I mean developers here, they will share some concerns they have as well. 00:27:43
That's a development agreement. You have to. 00:27:49
Negotiate to the point where everyone wins. 00:27:51
You know. 00:27:54
Or Vineyard winds? Not really. 00:27:55
Individuals. 00:27:57
So I would invite the developer once I'm done with this. 00:27:58
To let you do it by the next steps. 00:28:01
We'll do this public hearing today. 00:28:04
Would allow the public to share their concerns about this ask and what the the city staff was also requesting as part of this 00:28:07
amendment. 00:28:10
With that, you'd make a. 00:28:17
Recommendation to City Council. 00:28:18
Whether they should approve? 00:28:20
Approved with some sort of condition. 00:28:23
Based on the discussions that happened today. 00:28:26
Or flat out deny that development agreement amendment. 00:28:28
Either of these. 00:28:33
Works great. 00:28:34
And we'll be here to support you on that. 00:28:36
Well. 00:28:40
To a bonus slide that I have here. 00:28:41
This is just a breakdown. 00:28:44
Of the impact fees, just so you're all we're all on the same page. 00:28:45
How things have been locked in. 00:28:49
And how things could potentially be for the city. 00:28:51
And we can go into more detail. 00:28:55
Currently or. 00:28:57
When you look at. 00:28:59
The current restricted. 00:29:01
When you look at the very first column that has the original or first impact fee charged. 00:29:03
You realize what a total impact. 00:29:08
Fee it was about. 00:29:10
14,000. 00:29:13
$800. 00:29:14
Even though. 00:29:17
It's locked in on the City side. A couple of things have changed I mentioned earlier. 00:29:18
And that would be the TSSD. We have really no control over that. 00:29:24
When they change their prizes. 00:29:28
Has to go. They weren't part of the development agreement. 00:29:29
So it changes the prices. 00:29:33
Anyway. 00:29:35
And it causes an adjustment of about $6000. 00:29:36
For them. 00:29:40
Even though we have that. 00:29:41
You know, umm. 00:29:42
Impact fee logged in from the City side of things now. 00:29:44
Not a question, yeah. 00:29:48
So. 00:29:49
Specifically, you're talking. 00:29:53
An adjustment on that. 00:29:55
Portion of the impact fees. 00:29:58
In which the city has no control of. 00:30:00
But the city's portion? 00:30:03
Will be remaining the same we want. 00:30:04
We want the City side to be. 00:30:07
Part of those that change because things are changing. Or city. 00:30:09
The entire structure. That's the entire structure. So when you look at the very last column. 00:30:12
You realize that? 00:30:18
The amount changes. 00:30:20
Because now. 00:30:21
The impact fee for parks and recs are being calculated. 00:30:23
But when you look at the first one and the second column. 00:30:26
It's not there because it's locked in. 00:30:29
The third one brings in the Parks and Recs impact fee. 00:30:31
That raises the total impact fee to. 00:30:35
You know. 00:30:38
About $10,000 more. 00:30:39
Just because of. 00:30:41
The little that. 00:30:43
Came from. 00:30:44
The impact fee for Parks and Recreation. 00:30:46
So there's one that we have no control over that's going to change. 00:30:49
But what we were asking is so that. 00:30:53
There's flexibility. 00:30:56
Things that change in the city. 00:30:58
To be reflecting. 00:30:59
On their impact fees as well. 00:31:00
So they're not locked in. 00:31:02
So current. 00:31:04
Restricted in the middle. 00:31:05
Looks like that. 00:31:07
And what would have been? 00:31:08
Tampa was not restricted, would have. 00:31:10
About uh. 00:31:12
3500. 00:31:14
Dollars more. 00:31:15
For the city. 00:31:16
And just so you know, the others, the others I talked about that we have no control over. 00:31:17
The city just takes it and gives it back to them. 00:31:22
We don't even take a dime out of it. 00:31:25
CSSD refunds come in. 00:31:26
And goes directly to TSSD. 00:31:28
And I have the scene here too. 00:31:31
I don't know if there's anything I'm missing. 00:31:33
To pass through, it's just a pass through. 00:31:36
So. 00:31:38
We're just a staffing for. 00:31:40
Ones that work for the city. 00:31:43
And that's a breakdown for Cadence Homes. 00:31:46
And the South side is the breakdown for. 00:31:49
Goodboro, the senior. 00:31:53
1st 5 Plus. 00:31:55
Development. Uh. 00:31:56
Similar concept. 00:31:58
Just a few changes. 00:31:59
You know the. 00:32:01
They don't have like. 00:32:03
When you look up to the other one. 00:32:04
They have. 00:32:06
The water you know now was Cadence. 00:32:08
Yeah, when you look at the impact fee there we have. 00:32:12
For the TSN they have TSSD. 00:32:15
And for the other one. 00:32:17
It's being serviced that's the South one has been serviced by. 00:32:19
RM, Reclamation District. 00:32:23
So they're different and their prizes. 00:32:25
Are going to change anytime. 00:32:28
That they have any adjustments to their prices. 00:32:30
Or feast. 00:32:32
Thank you very much. I'm open for discussions. We have the applicant here. 00:32:35
Staff is also here and we've worked really close to get to this point. 00:32:40
And I'd like to invite them. 00:32:44
To make any comments, if they do have or if you have any questions, you can take it from there. 00:32:45
Question for you questions. 00:32:50
Yeah, great presentation. Appreciate it. What can you tell us about the Church of Jesus Christ? 00:32:52
Of Latter Day Saints is progress. 00:32:58
In that area. 00:33:00
They are. They are not part of the development agreement. 00:33:04
Is a separate, you know, Infinity if. 00:33:06
We can focus, we can. I can chat with you about that offline. Yeah, we can just give you more detail. It's totally different from 00:33:10
this general part of it, yeah. 00:33:14
Any other questions please? 00:33:20
Any questions from? 00:33:21
Just the. 00:33:25
Developer have any comments? Yeah, I'd like to invite the developers up here if they have any comments. 00:33:27
Public hearing second. 00:33:33
Where's the protocol? 00:33:34
What? How do you make a comment on whatever I presented on and then the public can share some? 00:33:36
As well. Oh yeah, sure, why not, please. 00:33:41
Get back there. Up this fire up the side. 00:33:45
OK, cool. 00:33:49
My name is Ryan Byvey. I'm with Cadence Homes. 00:33:54
Man, there's a lot to talk about the way we can. 00:33:58
We can be clear on what's going on here. 00:34:01
Maybe first what I'll do is. 00:34:05
Is just recognize that many of you both Planning Commission and City Council and frankly. 00:34:07
Most of the staff. 00:34:13
Was not here when this negotiation when this. 00:34:14
Development Agreement was negotiated back in 20/22/2021 and 20/22. 00:34:17
So there's a lot of intellectual kind of. 00:34:22
Understanding and knowledge, it's been lost. 00:34:23
And even some on this presentation and. 00:34:26
If you'll recall at the time like this was the last 110 acre piece of parcel in. 00:34:29
Vineyard and the city was super concerned and. 00:34:34
Wanted to make sure that it was developed correctly and. 00:34:37
Was trying to not do what was done on the Northside of the city. 00:34:39
And not develop a bunch of high density houses down here. We're grateful for that because that's what we wanted to do as well. 00:34:43
There was a long discussion about Rd. connections and parks and. 00:34:51
Utilities and density. 00:34:56
What makes the project work? What doesn't make it work? 00:34:59
That's all included in the development agreement. 00:35:01
One of the things that was. 00:35:05
Heavily debated in the development agreement or discussed was the impact. 00:35:06
Fixed. 00:35:10
Fixed impact fee so that we could manage our budgets. 00:35:11
And know what to expect. 00:35:14
The other thing that was discussed very clearly in the development agreement in many different meetings was. 00:35:17
The water impact fee. 00:35:22
The family when they sold the property. 00:35:25
Had lots of water rights. 00:35:27
That pertain to the property. 00:35:30
And we approached the city and said, should we buy these water rights? 00:35:32
And the city clearly and specifically asked us not to. 00:35:35
And said we want to pursue purchasing the water rights from the city that never materialized. 00:35:38
But it prohibited us. We agreed to that. 00:35:44
Because we knew that we were negotiating on the impact fees, that they were fixed, that they wouldn't change and that we had water 00:35:47
for the project. That's that's like development 101 is to make sure you have water to develop. 00:35:52
So to suggest that this wasn't thought through at the time the development agreement was that was agreed upon. 00:35:57
Is not accurate and. 00:36:03
We were here when it was done and part of all of the meetings of the previous administration and the previous staff. 00:36:05
And so for us to come back now and say. 00:36:11
We're gonna take out. 00:36:14
The impact fee Fixed impact fee clause in the development agreement. 00:36:16
You just. 00:36:20
Saw the presentation of the financial impact. 00:36:21
To the project. 00:36:23
For. 00:36:25
295 units times. 00:36:26
6295 units times 10,000. 00:36:29
Between a million and a half and $3,000,000 impact. 00:36:33
To our development. 00:36:37
And to us as a developer in the community. 00:36:39
Had we known that that was going to be the case? 00:36:41
There would have been a different negotiation on. 00:36:45
Right of way sizes. 00:36:47
The size of parks. 00:36:49
The size of densities. 00:36:51
And so to come back. 00:36:52
After the fact and try to retrade, That conversation is really difficult and challenging for us to do. 00:36:53
When we opened up the door to suggest an amendment to the to the phasing plan. 00:36:59
It had nothing to do with the financial impact to us or to the city. 00:37:04
I imagine that if we ask the City to take a financial hit of 1,000,000 1/2 to 3,000,000, the answer would be. 00:37:09
No, right? 00:37:15
We recognize that and that's why we didn't ask for anything that wasn't financially related. 00:37:17
The only thing that we open this door on to ask was. 00:37:21
Flexibility in phasing. 00:37:25
And the reason why we did that was because. 00:37:27
We were asked to identify what our phasing would be on 110 acre project 300 units before we even put a single shovel in the 00:37:30
ground. 00:37:34
We tried to anticipate what would sell and and when it would sell. 00:37:39
55 plus versus single family different types of sizes of single family. 00:37:44
We did our best. We knew what was most important to the city was Rd. connections east to West. 00:37:49
And road connections north to South. 00:37:55
Those were put in the very two phases and we've lived by that and we're making those connections. 00:37:57
And we're almost done with Four South and it will get connected. 00:38:02
The other thing that. 00:38:06
Super important, I think, for cities is to know when their open spaces are going to come in, the amenities, the negotiated 00:38:08
amenities coming into the community. 00:38:12
There are basically 3 amenities to this project 25. 00:38:17
Parks plus A2 acre park as a trailhead park. 00:38:21
Park on the north. 00:38:23
West Side. 00:38:25
Our as we've looked at this. 00:38:27
The phasing plan, we're developing homes on the east side, we're not developing at the lakeside yet. 00:38:30
It's the way it started because the city wanted Rd. connections. 00:38:36
I believe that it was just a little bit of an oversight on our part to say why would we bring in a park? 00:38:40
Out by the lake that has no homes around it would be an island to itself. 00:38:44
As opposed to bringing in a park. 00:38:48
Around the homes, which is where the silos and the barns and everything else is. 00:38:51
So in our mind. 00:38:54
That was a logical request to say hey. 00:38:56
We're not going to change the size of the parks, the number of the parks or the programmed amenities. We're just saying. 00:38:58
Let's just SWIP. 00:39:04
Switch swap the 25 acre parks. 00:39:06
So our simple request and then allow us flexibility to build houses. 00:39:10
Based on what? 00:39:15
Current market is today as opposed to what we thought it would be in 2021. 00:39:16
And why the city would care whether we brought on phase three or phase seven or phase 5? 00:39:23
I don't know that it matters as far. I think even staff and the red lines have commented that. 00:39:29
As long as we get our parks and as long as we get the roads, then we don't really care where the houses go. 00:39:34
And so that's where we're at today. Is is. 00:39:39
We are we've, I feel like. 00:39:43
Completed our obligation or close to completing our obligation of connecting the park. 00:39:45
Connecting the roads. 00:39:50
And then the park is a question of can we swap the east versus the West and go with the one where the houses are and it's close to 00:39:52
communities? 00:39:55
And frankly. 00:39:59
Is a community hazard right now? 00:40:00
There was a fire that started on the on the Northside of one of those. 00:40:03
Nobody's. We've put up as many signs as we can on. 00:40:07
No trespassing. But we can't. We're not there every day. We can't control it. 00:40:11
We would like to do something with that part before we go out to. 00:40:14
A field by the lake that has no concern. Nobody's worried about it out there. There's nothing to go see. There's nothing to go 00:40:18
through. 00:40:21
Whereas here we have styles and barns and things that become a danger. 00:40:24
And so. 00:40:28
That's that's in a nutshell. 00:40:30
Our request is we just. 00:40:32
And frankly. 00:40:34
I'm not sure that this proposal is going to move further. 00:40:35
To be honest, I think City Council. 00:40:39
And Staunton City may dig their heels in on this impact fee thing. 00:40:41
We're basically here tonight to make sure the public understands. 00:40:45
And that the people that weren't there in 2021 understand. 00:40:49
But there was a lot of thought that went into fixing the impact fee. 00:40:53
And being able to acquire water rights for the development in the right way. 00:40:57
And so to come back and change it now would have changed. 00:41:01
The entire dynamic of the negotiation. 00:41:04
Five years ago. 00:41:07
OK. And so? 00:41:08
Where if the city's stances is that we aren't going to allow flexibility in phasing and we're not going to swap your parks. 00:41:10
If you don't agree to the impact fees. 00:41:18
Then we'll move forward with the current phasing plan. We won't touch the development agreement. 00:41:20
Because it's a million and a half to $3,000,000 impact. 00:41:25
To us, depending on which column you look at in that presentation from Anthony. 00:41:29
I will highlight and say simply that. 00:41:33
Right now there is 0 obligation from the developer to cooperate with the city on the Heritage Park. 00:41:36
The programming is. 00:41:43
All fields, a bathroom and a maintenance shed. 00:41:45
We have expressed openly that we're happy to cooperate. 00:41:49
But at some level it becomes frustrating that when we asked for a simple. 00:41:53
Adjust some phasing. We've given everything that you need. 00:41:57
But we're not willing to. 00:42:00
Unless you're willing to eat a million and a half to $3,000,000. 00:42:01
The. 00:42:05
I guess the cooperation, desire to meet what the city wants and these brides just kind of. 00:42:07
Naturally goes away. 00:42:12
And so those are some of the things that are on the table. 00:42:14
The financial hit us is massive and it's big. 00:42:18
And you don't want to absorb it. 00:42:21
We don't want him. And some people say, well, why not just? 00:42:23
Raise the price of houses. 00:42:27
We're all consumers in this room and that's not the way markets work. We don't. 00:42:29
Costs have to get absorbed somewhere. 00:42:32
And I would say the city is saying, well, what? Well, why should we take it? 00:42:35
And my comment to that is the fact that. 00:42:39
The city got what they wanted from this project. 00:42:42
There's not another 110 acre project. 00:42:45
In all of Utah being developed or developed in the last five years. 00:42:48
That is, uh. 00:42:52
All single family homes. 00:42:53
2.9 units to the acre. 00:42:55
Doesn't exist. 00:42:58
Immense value. 00:43:00
And that is what the previous administration and staff fought for with this project. 00:43:02
So to say, well, we're it's going to cost us a million and a half well. 00:43:06
Had we gone the direction of every other developer? 00:43:11
And taking our time on this and involve the state. 00:43:14
This would have been in. This would have been. This size of a property would have been developed. 00:43:17
As a master planned community with multiple densities in it. 00:43:21
And that was all part of the discussion at the time. 00:43:25
And I just do not want that to be lost in. 00:43:28
The conversation and the loss and the history of what we're, of what we're doing here. 00:43:31
And so whether this goes forward or not, I think and feel it's important for us to be able to help. 00:43:35
Those that weren't here five years ago. 00:43:40
Understand all the conversations that went into this. 00:43:42
So I'm happy to answer any questions. 00:43:44
And address anything that maybe I didn't address here, I will just say. 00:43:47
On the park dedication. 00:43:51
Is I think that there is a mistake in here? 00:43:53
That if you look at this map. 00:43:56
Below on the bottom right. 00:43:59
The parks are not. 00:44:01
Completed and dedicated to the city in Phases 3 and 7. 00:44:03
You'll see down in the bottom right dedicated before CFO. 00:44:07
114. 00:44:10
And to force the 100 and. 00:44:12
You know it gives numbers of which. 00:44:14
Those parks would come in. 00:44:16
So they're based on C phone. So our our proposal has been. 00:44:18
Let's swap the order they come in. We'll still deliver that part to you before 114 C of OS. 00:44:21
Or I can't? 00:44:26
Quite read the other one from here, but just matching those up. Just swapping the parts. 00:44:27
So, well, I. 00:44:31
I have to say a couple of things. 00:44:34
Sure. 00:44:36
One is I have some questions. 00:44:37
But one is. 00:44:39
I'm impressed by your presentation. 00:44:44
On several levels. 00:44:46
So there is that. 00:44:48
The other thing? 00:44:51
Is uh. 00:44:52
I was on the plant. 00:44:57
My first. 00:44:59
Appointment to a Planning Commission. 00:45:01
Was in 1982. 00:45:04
Since then I've been on planning commissions. 00:45:06
In four cities in three states. 00:45:09
And I also, and I must say to that. 00:45:12
That having. 00:45:17
Your impact fees locked in that early in the. 00:45:19
A project. 00:45:22
Is fairly impressive. 00:45:24
Now, having said all that. 00:45:30
And I'm not sure how to phrase the question. 00:45:44
About. 00:45:47
The amount? 00:45:49
Percentage. 00:45:52
I'm making an assumption here. 00:45:56
That you and staff. 00:45:59
Have negotiated. 00:46:02
And I know back and forth. 00:46:03
Has the. 00:46:07
Has there been any? 00:46:11
Compromise. 00:46:14
On the numbers staff has presented. 00:46:17
On your part. 00:46:22
Or on your part. 00:46:25
Is that a question to the applicant or to the staff? 00:46:29
I beg your pardon there's any questions you're asking or stuff? 00:46:31
Would that be a question to the applicants or the staff? 00:46:34
Both. 00:46:37
Staff. 00:46:38
You. Yeah. I don't know that there's been any. 00:46:39
Open discussions on compromising on. 00:46:42
On the impact fees? 00:46:45
There's there's been. Frankly, we didn't. 00:46:48
We didn't. 00:46:51
It wasn't even on our brain or mine when we made the original request to adjust the phasing plan that came back from the city and 00:46:52
from the staff. And so hasn't been something that we've even brought up or considered because it was. 00:46:57
Discussed. Negotiated. Agreed to. 00:47:03
Four or five years ago, and again. 00:47:05
Our proposals for the amendment to the government agreement didn't affect anything financially. It wasn't financial impact one 00:47:08
side or the other. 00:47:11
We are in a. 00:47:16
Over here we want to. 00:47:17
Soliciting Thomas from the public. 00:47:19
Really like and I do have some. 00:47:21
This end in terms of staff. 00:47:24
Provide some context to what was provided. I can wait till after public comments or give it beforehand as well. 00:47:26
In regards to net fees. 00:47:33
The water as well as. 00:47:35
The park as well. 00:47:37
Again, it's up to the Planning Commission, too. 00:47:39
If you would like to hear it now or wait till later. 00:47:42
What? 00:47:45
If the. 00:47:48
If the developer. 00:47:50
Withdrew his. 00:47:52
Request for a change in phasing. 00:47:55
What staff's reaction be? 00:48:00
I think you're asking if we were if we withdrew our request. 00:48:09
To amend the development agreement, what would staff reaction be? 00:48:12
Yes. 00:48:16
We don't have an opinion one way or another. 00:48:21
On the phasing. 00:48:23
Let me let me rephrase that. 00:48:26
If the developer. 00:48:28
Withdrew his request. 00:48:30
Yeah, to amend. 00:48:32
The development agreement. 00:48:33
What? What would be the mechanism from there? 00:48:37
For the staff to negotiate. 00:48:43
A facility to negotiate changes in the impact fees. 00:48:46
From the original agreement. 00:48:52
Agreement. 00:48:54
I can take this time out. So to provide some context, I do appreciate Mr. Bobby Napkins. 00:48:58
Extensive historical. 00:49:06
Background that he provided in terms of what what happened and fortunately I think Catch Myself were here during the time. 00:49:08
That happened. I can speak out a few things, just provide some context. 00:49:16
And of course I wasn't intimately involved in every step of the way, but I do have some information. 00:49:20
It's a context that I can provide. 00:49:25
In terms of the water. 00:49:27
And on that. 00:49:29
That that portion of it may not have gone through my department. I was. 00:49:32
I was in a different department at the time when this was going through. 00:49:36
However, the type of water that was. 00:49:40
Available for the collective farm I believe Which. 00:49:43
Or what was called versus what was ball white fields? 00:49:46
As well with irrigation. 00:49:51
And my understanding is that. 00:49:52
Irrigation water would not translate to one for one for culinary water. 00:49:54
And we did have a. 00:49:58
We could have like one or two Staffs at a time that was. 00:50:00
That was working with getting those water. 00:50:04
Rights in terms of purposes specifically for irrigation. 00:50:08
But unfortunately that did not go through. 00:50:12
I can't speak on the intimately specifics in terms of what was proposed, what was provided. 00:50:14
On that, but I just want to clarify that irrigation water and culinary water, unfortunately. 00:50:19
Does not translate one for one because the city does have irrigation water rights that we would love to trade. 00:50:25
And switch over for culinary water. 00:50:30
As much but that is not. 00:50:32
A. That was that A1 for one translation. 00:50:35
On that specifically, so regardless of the water rights that were purchased. 00:50:40
From this property. 00:50:44
By any person I mean that could go that. 00:50:45
Towards credit. 00:50:48
But now would not have been a. 00:50:50
Supplemental. 00:50:51
In terms of that, again, I. 00:50:53
I mean, I've been part of those conversations with the. 00:50:54
But that's my understanding in terms of. 00:50:58
Water rights on that in terms of impact fees, I can speak specifically on that for the fact that it excuse me on the 10th of the 00:51:00
impact fees. 00:51:04
For the language. 00:51:09
I'm not there to say what's going through the initial portions of its master plans. 00:51:10
And with the master plans on impact fees analysis, etcetera. 00:51:15
So I know that the intent of the. 00:51:19
The language and the pathies. 00:51:21
Was. 00:51:24
To ensure that. 00:51:25
What was being? 00:51:26
Excuse me, the impact fees at the time would be? 00:51:29
Done at. 00:51:32
Excuse me, what was being done on the fee schedule? The intent was not that it was blocking and in fact fees. I don't recall any 00:51:34
conversations. I did not recall any conversations with the applicant. 00:51:39
Myself and the conversations happened with the applicant that was not with me. 00:51:43
Specifically, umm. 00:51:47
In regards to. 00:51:48
Locking in fees for certainty. 00:51:50
For future. 00:51:52
Financial, financial or anything like that? 00:51:53
It was intent out because we did. 00:51:56
The going through the emphasis we do. 00:51:58
Want to ensure that the master plans are reflective of that. Their master plans were were pretty old at the time. 00:52:01
And we want to ensure that. 00:52:07
The impact fees that were being pushed forward was kind of reflective towards the. 00:52:09
Fee schedule. 00:52:13
So and then tete of the language that's being done now is to ensure that. 00:52:14
Impact fees are being paid at a time of. 00:52:18
Pulling building permits. 00:52:20
So it's kind of a lot. It's, well, it's not kind of it's aligning to the. 00:52:22
Practice that. 00:52:26
The Excuse me, building a. 00:52:28
Impacts are to the infrastructure is paid by. 00:52:31
Those places in the impacts are that are being that are placed in their packs of infrastructure. 00:52:35
Our reading on the development agreement in terms of. 00:52:40
TSSD, separate retail log and so forth. Those are not impact fees are imposed by the city. 00:52:44
Of their pastor fees. 00:52:49
Earthen counties things are. 00:52:50
The city burdens that other city takes on in order to allow for. 00:52:51
Developing to happen. 00:52:55
So our stats on that, but. 00:52:56
The city stance on that would just be. 00:52:58
That this is being done. 00:53:00
Driven due to the cause of. 00:53:03
The development. 00:53:06
You know, we, the city itself negotiates as much as possible in terms of. 00:53:08
Because obviously we want to ensure that. 00:53:12
Things are being done properly on both sides. 00:53:14
But we know. 00:53:17
In essence, does not have anything to gain in terms of charging or charging less. 00:53:19
On that any applicant. 00:53:26
Regardless who they may be, has always has the opportunity to. 00:53:28
Submit a. 00:53:33
Their own analysis on the impact fees, et cetera, and that's state law and we always will review that and give us a due diligence. 00:53:36
I'll not specifically. 00:53:43
A terms that minus and again, this is I was not specifically into the ring of law, but my understanding in terms of the. 00:53:45
Park on the West side versus the east side. 00:53:51
Is that the applicants initial request for the phasing? Was that it was? 00:53:53
During the infrastructure on the West side. 00:53:57
Excuse me, doing park on the West side when there was no infrastructure meeting that was going to be placing a financial burden on 00:54:00
the. 00:54:02
Obviously the city staff itself. 00:54:05
Does not wish for financial burdens, unreasonable financial burdens, or. 00:54:07
So forth. 00:54:12
On anyone and would like to. 00:54:13
Always come to your Nexus. 00:54:16
And what works best not just for that, but what works best for the community as well? 00:54:18
So that's in essence, that's why. 00:54:23
Not just this particular phasing proposed amendment, but the previous. 00:54:25
Facing amendment, which was. 00:54:30
Review the approved at administrative level. 00:54:32
As you can see, phase 2A, Phase 2B. 00:54:35
Right Phase 2B was allowed to occur the previous development director. 00:54:40
Approved that change because. 00:54:45
It provided the applicant. 00:54:47
The ability to move forward. 00:54:50
Reducing financial burden. 00:54:53
On that yet with. 00:54:55
No, which we perceive as no impact. 00:54:57
To the city, There's the other community. Excuse me. 00:55:00
So we do have opportunities like that. We do definitely take care of it. 00:55:03
Or, excuse me, push your ***. 00:55:07
And we do our we are reasonable. 00:55:08
In terms of that, however, we do have to ensure that we're not placing. 00:55:11
Any type of burden on the community as a whole. 00:55:15
And as well. 00:55:18
And that humanity is the applicant. 00:55:19
Basically and that is. 00:55:22
In that consideration. 00:55:25
And then in regards to the park on that east side, I'll take off my city engineer hat and my forensic engineer hat. 00:55:29
Which I. 00:55:37
Fortunately, I do have the. 00:55:39
Luxury of having. 00:55:40
In terms of, you know the. 00:55:42
Conditions with facilities etc. 00:55:44
And what would? What would? 00:55:46
We are obviously looking into. 00:55:49
Trying to balance the. 00:55:52
Requests umm. 00:55:54
Of the public as well as acting to ensure that. 00:55:55
You know what is being taken, what would be removed and what would be kept up. 00:55:59
As as kind of to beneficial as a whole. 00:56:03
I mean, I believe it was. 00:56:06
Say the work session last time in terms of. 00:56:08
What would be the cost of keeping something versus the cost of just a demo? 00:56:11
I never listen. I think I was asked by one of the council members, it's a very, it's a very fair question because it does put 00:56:16
dollar. 00:56:18
Dollars and cents. 00:56:21
Entity an equation that. 00:56:22
Some people do have, which is more than just dollars and cents. 00:56:24
So we're willing to work as a safe staff, we're willing to work with Afghans regardless of the phasing. 00:56:28
Of the. 00:56:33
Of the parks. 00:56:35
To the. 00:56:37
Ultimate decision of. 00:56:39
The historical buildings. 00:56:41
In terms of whether or not they're worth keeping or whether they're worth or whether. 00:56:44
They're worth or they're not worth keeping. 00:56:48
And of course alternative ways so. 00:56:50
And my old life back in the other state. 00:56:53
We've had it, though there was many historical facilities that. 00:56:55
Reach out to Nike. 00:56:59
Due to the hazards. 00:57:00
And environmental conditions that they were actually in. 00:57:02
And instead came to you and. 00:57:05
Consensus with not just the developer, but. 00:57:07
The community to. 00:57:10
Find a different way to. 00:57:11
Celebrate the heritage. 00:57:13
That that the community has. 00:57:15
So I think so. 00:57:17
In regards to the heritage buildings. 00:57:19
I I would like to think. 00:57:21
The ultimate decision of that. 00:57:23
As a staff will with. 00:57:26
Would be the same regardless of the phasing. 00:57:28
That is done. Decisions are basing. 00:57:31
So I just want to get some context to. 00:57:35
To this and again this is to the best of my memory and. 00:57:38
To the conversations I was involved in. 00:57:41
And then time today I do that. I do know that. 00:57:43
Development agreement was originally. 00:57:46
Agreed upon. 00:57:50
Well, we have. 00:57:51
Changes in phasing. 00:57:56
Have come before the. 00:57:59
Commission. 00:58:00
At least a couple of times. 00:58:02
And I believe that. 00:58:04
The Commission has been very favorable. 00:58:07
To that concept. 00:58:11
But I don't believe. 00:58:14
And I may be wrong. 00:58:19
That the question of the impact fees has come up. 00:58:22
Officially. 00:58:28
To this body. 00:58:29
Before tonight, am I? 00:58:31
Am I? I believe you're correct with that statement. 00:58:34
We did a dual work session with the City Council, yes. 00:58:38
Where we discuss this pretty in-depth, but I don't believe the Planning Commission has addressed this topic. 00:58:41
OK. 00:58:46
Your comments engendered some questions, but. 00:58:49
Does the board. 00:58:53
Members of the Commission have any questions? 00:58:55
If not. 00:59:02
I'm going to. 00:59:03
Open it up and allow. 00:59:06
The public to come forward. 00:59:08
Please. 00:59:12
The time is York. 00:59:15
Daria Evans, Vineyard resident Yeah, I have a couple concerns. 00:59:22
About this. 00:59:27
The Timpanogos Special Service District is going to. 00:59:30
Levy fees. 00:59:36
However they want. 00:59:38
We do not have control over that. 00:59:39
Obviously. 00:59:42
And uh. 00:59:43
They have to bear their part. 00:59:45
And I know that's. 00:59:47
Pill to swallow, but. 00:59:50
We cannot. 00:59:51
As yesterday, as you were there at that meeting yesterday and I was online. 00:59:53
There is quite the discussion about these impact fees for communities. 00:59:57
And we are in a world of hurt. 01:00:02
As a as a city. 01:00:04
And so we need to make sure that we have. 01:00:06
The adequate resources that we need. 01:00:09
And also on these. 01:00:12
Some of these slides it talks about Orem water. 01:00:14
We're no longer with Orum water, correct? 01:00:17
But then it says part of it says Orem water some. 01:00:20
How is that happening? 01:00:23
When we're in the Central Water Conservancy District. 01:00:25
And forgive me that that's why I should have been the original. 01:00:32
Feast so that would be warm water and then the. 01:00:36
But the current fees will be central Utah water. 01:00:38
Is that it says slash one more slash said retail water so. 01:00:42
We just connected from. 01:00:46
As per our requirements. 01:00:48
With water. 01:00:50
All right. And then. 01:00:51
Is that the same for the 55 plus community also? 01:00:52
Yeah, so the whole entire city of Vineyard is has been disconnected from warm water. 01:00:56
For a supply for a supplier. 01:01:01
And that's per our agreement with warm water and such retail water. 01:01:04
OK. And then I also have my concerns about. 01:01:08
1/3. 01:01:13
Will there be a 300 W Rd. connection through this community at all? 01:01:15
I haven't seen any. 01:01:21
Talk about that. I know there's quite the discussion about Four South. 01:01:23
Connecting. 01:01:28
West to the east and making sure that that roadway is wide enough. 01:01:29
We had a little problem at the Holloway Rd. the corner there. 01:01:35
That needs to be. 01:01:40
There is so much going on. 01:01:41
We're in a real quandary. 01:01:46
And I really think that. 01:01:48
We need to make sure that. 01:01:52
We are not taken to the cleaners as a city. 01:01:54
As far as? 01:01:58
Fees are concerned. Thank you. 01:01:59
Very good comments, thank you. 01:02:07
Anyone else? Any other member that would like to come forward? 01:02:10
OK. I'd like to take a motion to go out of. 01:02:21
Public meeting. 01:02:24
So moved second. 01:02:26
2nd. 01:02:29
All approved. 01:02:30
All in favor, aye? 01:02:31
Aye. 01:02:35
Out of the public hearing. 01:02:35
All right, where do we go from here? 01:02:41
Sorry I just had an electric shock but right now. 01:02:49
OK, so at this point the Commission has. 01:02:53
The uh. 01:02:56
The opportunity. 01:02:59
To come up either with. 01:03:01
Our recommendation to approve this? 01:03:05
Approve with some conditions. 01:03:08
Or, uh. 01:03:10
If there's some more discussions that you'd like to have with the developer while we have them here. 01:03:11
It's an opportunity to explore options of. 01:03:17
How we can still move forward with it? 01:03:20
Or essentially just. 01:03:23
Getting our you know. 01:03:25
Recommend denial of this and what that means is. 01:03:27
I mean, we're not going to move forward with it. 01:03:31
Or it goes to City Council. 01:03:33
Now, when it gets to City Council on the 10th of March. 01:03:35
They can decide. 01:03:38
To do the same. 01:03:39
Either approve. 01:03:40
Based on your approval. 01:03:41
Or approved with some conditions based on what happens at the meeting or if we're able to settle on some sort of negotiation at 01:03:43
all. 01:03:47
On either the impact fees and what you're requesting for? 01:03:52
And also they have the third option of denying everything. 01:03:55
Now there's another option that could also happen that's worth bringing up. 01:03:59
They can decide to just. 01:04:04
Stop this, you know, just pull all of this, you know application. 01:04:07
Nothing happens at that point. 01:04:11
They're locked in in their pricing. 01:04:13
Any change that happens is coming from Central UT Water or TSSD. 01:04:15
We still don't have control over that. 01:04:19
And just continue business as usual. 01:04:22
So these are the options that lay before us. 01:04:25
But I'd like to. 01:04:28
Let the Commission know that you have the chance to talk about any concerns. 01:04:31
That you may have with the developers while we have them here. 01:04:35
In the presence of the public. 01:04:38
Or. 01:04:40
Make make a motion to either approve approve with some conditions. 01:04:41
Deny or just provide some comments that you want given to the City Council. 01:04:48
Just to clarify, it would be a recommendation for. Thank you. 01:04:53
Recommend for those to happen. 01:04:57
I have some comments that. 01:05:00
Maybe too abstract for this discussion, but I would like to point out this. 01:05:03
This type of land use. 01:05:07
Is not. 01:05:09
Contributing to the financial well-being of our city. 01:05:10
I understand that people enjoy single family homes. 01:05:14
And low density and I. 01:05:17
Idyllic situations. 01:05:20
But this development as. 01:05:22
As currently agreed to previously to by the city is not. 01:05:24
Putting us in a better financial. 01:05:28
Situation. And by the city I mean. 01:05:30
All of us who live here. 01:05:32
The moment that. 01:05:34
That somebody buys a house there. 01:05:36
I'm concerned that they. 01:05:39
They aren't even going to be aware. 01:05:40
That, uh. 01:05:43
Their contribution to. 01:05:43
The impact fees of providing infrastructure and services to their house. 01:05:46
Aren't uh. 01:05:51
Aren't sufficient. 01:05:52
From what we're saying to to cover those costs and that ultimately they might be looking at. 01:05:54
A tax rate increase in order to cover those. 01:05:59
Is that accurate assessment on your opinion? 01:06:03
I can understand what you're saying, but I at the same time. 01:06:07
The development. 01:06:10
Brought massive impact in a great way to the city by connecting the city north to South and. 01:06:12
Health, safety, welfare of residents. 01:06:19
So. 01:06:21
Having that property develop. 01:06:22
Is is is massive contribution to this community into the city, Yeah. And and there's nothing against you or your development, I'm 01:06:24
saying. 01:06:28
If if this development was competing with a different style of development. 01:06:32
I think. 01:06:37
A different style of development could. 01:06:38
Outpace the financial contributions that that this specific version of the development is is creating. 01:06:42
And so. 01:06:48
I guess what I'm trying to point out here. 01:06:49
Is that? 01:06:51
It feels like we're all. 01:06:53
Bad situation. You want to do something slightly different? We want to do. I think to your point, like if. 01:06:54
If if. 01:06:59
We're at an impasse here and. 01:07:02
The city wants higher impact fees and more of them. 01:07:05
There's plenty of property that hasn't been built on. Let's rezone it. 01:07:08
Let's come back in with some higher density. 01:07:11
And offset, add more impact fees, add more contribution to the community. 01:07:14
And I don't know that. 01:07:19
Many people would like that, but. 01:07:21
That's the answer to your question. 01:07:23
We frankly negotiated all that. 01:07:25
Away when we did it when we did it back then. 01:07:27
So I mean, I understand what you're saying. 01:07:30
I guess that's still maybe a potential compromise. 01:07:32
The city wants us to give on the impact fees and. 01:07:35
Let's let's add more density. 01:07:38
Or build more houses. 01:07:40
Sure, yeah. 01:07:41
And I'd love it if you did. 01:07:43
I think that is. 01:07:46
An untenable. 01:07:47
On the current, on that development or a different Peace of Mind? 01:07:49
No, I'm suggesting. 01:07:53
I'm suggesting that. 01:07:54
When negotiations of. 01:07:56
All of the things we've been talking about happen up front. There's an exchange. 01:07:58
The city gives us. 01:08:02
Access to utilities to develop. We give up rights, they give up rights. The property has the right to develop. 01:08:03
We agreed at 2.9 units to the acre. I think what? 01:08:08
This gentleman is saying is. 01:08:12
Maybe it should have been a higher density. 01:08:13
Maybe we come back and rezone. 01:08:16
The portion that hasn't been built on and. 01:08:18
That fixes it because we build more units. 01:08:21
Help offset the cost. 01:08:23
The community gets more. 01:08:26
Of everything that comes with more units. 01:08:28
But they also give. 01:08:30
What was that rage? 01:08:32
I don't disagree, I'm just. 01:08:35
Engaging in the conversation. 01:08:37
So. 01:08:39
Could you please step up here? 01:08:43
Could you please step up and? 01:08:45
Share your concerns and state your name. 01:08:47
Photo Record. 01:08:50
Hi, my name is John Pettingill. I'm a resident of the first resident in good borough development. 01:08:52
And so we've. 01:08:57
Experienced it from the beginning and. 01:08:59
We received a letter in the mail in regards to this meeting. 01:09:03
We have a genuine interest in the topic and I think we're very knowledgeable about it, especially given our presence. 01:09:06
So yeah. 01:09:13
I've appreciated a lot of the information that has been shared tonight. 01:09:15
There's some of it that I think is inaccurate. 01:09:19
But anyway. 01:09:22
That that's who I am. 01:09:24
So and obviously. 01:09:26
Do not have an interest in. 01:09:28
Higher density in holdaway development. 01:09:30
Now as a current resident of it and having bought in based on. 01:09:33
What was marketed at the time? 01:09:37
And I say. 01:09:39
No other owner in that development would be in favor of that either. 01:09:42
So all of that having been said. 01:09:45
I certainly understand the inflationary environment that we all live in now. 01:09:48
And all of those costs are being increased and passed through so. 01:09:53
I get. 01:09:56
The concept that the city can't eat these impact. 01:09:57
So I guess the more relevant opinion to. 01:10:01
The discussion at hand would be that. 01:10:05
It does feel in the cities best interest to try to adjust impact fees. 01:10:08
I think the. 01:10:15
The schedule presented. 01:10:16
Would be ideal. 01:10:19
If that's untenable to the developer, that. 01:10:21
That's understandable. 01:10:24
It does feel like there is some value to you for. 01:10:27
Making the adjustments that you're asking for and and so if there's an alternative that. 01:10:32
To tell you you're able to capture that value and also help the city. 01:10:36
I think I think we're all ears. 01:10:40
For that. 01:10:43
As far as like approving this. 01:10:45
With the. 01:10:47
Conditions that Anthony presented, I'm comfortable with that, but if there's a better. 01:10:48
Scenario where you're still interested in this and it's not 1.5 to $3,000,000. 01:10:53
Impact to you then? 01:11:00
That would also be interesting. 01:11:02
Sure. 01:11:04
Let me just make one comment. This is a development agreement, has two parties to it. We both have to agree. So whether you 01:11:05
approve it or not approve it, if we don't approve it, it doesn't get signed. 01:11:09
So that's the purpose of having the discussion. And again, our big thing here is, is making sure that the community, Mr. 01:11:13
Pettengill and other neighbors in the community who we've heard from. 01:11:18
Have have felt like we were coming back to change the way for South was going to be built or to. 01:11:22
Add density or to do things. 01:11:28
That isn't that. You've not seen that in any of this presentation. 01:11:30
And so it's super important for us as. 01:11:33
A builder in the community. A developer in the community that we manage. 01:11:36
How we're seeing as well, we're not trying to be greedy. There was a comment made in the work session from the City Council member 01:11:40
that said. 01:11:42
A greedy developer that's that's looking for things we're not. 01:11:46
We're not. We're just trying to build houses. 01:11:49
And we'll build analysis for Vineyard residents and. 01:11:51
We think we're doing a good job. 01:11:54
And we just asked for flexibility. You made a comment too that. 01:11:55
There's benefit to us on the phasing plan, Absolutely there is. 01:11:59
But not enough to offset a million and a half and three million and and that's the thing that. 01:12:02
These comments of what the city can absorb this like. 01:12:06
The city did five years ago. That that was the decision that they made. It's not unclear. 01:12:08
It's not unclear in the development agreement and there was a reason. 01:12:13
For it. 01:12:16
And so to say, well. 01:12:17
Let's just push it back to us. 01:12:18
Push it back to the developer. 01:12:21
Is not fair. 01:12:22
Either and so. 01:12:23
That we will stay at the development agreement the way it is. 01:12:25
We will demolish. 01:12:29
Heritage Park and we'll build it exactly as. 01:12:30
We agreed to build it because that's what we all agreed to. And we'll. 01:12:33
Do that. I guess that's if that's what it comes to. 01:12:36
If I may. 01:12:41
There's one thing that was there's again, there's confusion that happens with the fact that there's 2 developers in hold away this 01:12:42
development. 01:12:46
And we have to be. 01:12:49
Terrible that that Claire, that those points are made clear. So to clarify. 01:12:50
Cadence is responsible for the East. 01:12:56
You both you both share in both parts. 01:13:00
And that's just that's the let me just clear this up clearly is that we are joint. 01:13:03
Developing this together, we're the same people. 01:13:07
Doing the in the same development agreement. 01:13:09
There's not two sides, three sides, there's two. 01:13:12
US and. 01:13:15
Yeah, I understood that, but. 01:13:17
Cadence is to the north, good girls to the South or whatever, and I didn't know that you share. 01:13:20
A massive development, that's the case, but on paper it's not that so. 01:13:25
Is the is the east park land? Was it donated to the city or did did did Cadence buy that as part of your purchase of the property 01:13:29
for your portion? We purchased the entire 110 acres and we still own. 01:13:35
Every piece of property in there except for your house and the other 31 homes that have been built. 01:13:41
We being you and good girl together. That's correct. So when you both build those parks, you're sharing 5050 in the donation of 01:13:46
the land. 01:13:50
To the city of those three horses and we're spending the money to build the park which. 01:13:54
You look at impact fees. 01:14:00
There are a lot of those are part B's, but we're actually. 01:14:02
We're paying our impact fees to the park by actually building those parts. And again, that and I'll bring this up now, I can show 01:14:05
it to you on your on your schedule there, Anthony, because I think it's interesting to look at the like. 01:14:11
You look at the unrestricted impact fee on the right hand side. 01:14:17
And this is this illustrates really clearly why development agreements are done the way they are done. And the amount of open 01:14:21
space and parks we agree to do is fixed and upfront is. 01:14:25
Why uh. 01:14:30
Why would we ever? 01:14:31
Agree to give up 12 acres of park and. 01:14:33
Manicure them. 01:14:37
Improve them, Construct them. 01:14:38
Give him to the city. 01:14:41
And on top I agree to pay $3422.88 for every unit. 01:14:42
Like help me understand that. 01:14:48
Like that's part of the reason why we negotiate this stuff up front. 01:14:49
So to add those type of fees on is. 01:14:53
Is an illustration of. 01:14:55
Why we're not willing to just say. 01:14:58
Yeah, let's just move up and it's just go and we can all absorb this and. 01:15:00
It's not the way it works. 01:15:04
Like what's it is? We've lived in Utah for eight years and we've moved five times and every place we have lived. 01:15:06
Every development and I think everybody in the room, if you live in Utah, you're aware of this unless you. 01:15:11
Not moved recently but. 01:15:16
Every developer. 01:15:18
Increases the prices of homes in the subsequential phases of the development. 01:15:19
That's been our experience. And if they didn't? 01:15:24
That would be very unique to me. I've never experienced that. 01:15:27
And so. 01:15:29
Again, I think that fits in this world of inflation getting passed on. 01:15:31
It's my understanding that the Phase 2 pricing, and I don't mean to put Mr. McCoy in an awkward spot, the Phase 2 pricing for 01:15:35
Goodborough Homes is more than the Phase 1 pricing. 01:15:39
So and I would think that phase, the subsequent phases would be more than Phase 2, so. 01:15:44
Maybe that is a way for the developers to recoup some of this in. 01:15:50
Inflationary impact. 01:15:54
And so was the milk you bought last year versus this year, and so was the car you bought 2 years ago versus now. And it's not 01:15:56
simply because companies are making more money or margins are going up. 01:16:01
Has to do with the market economy that we're in and that's. 01:16:06
That cost go up. 01:16:09
So anyhow. 01:16:11
I think it's good if we would progress the public hearing. 01:16:12
And so we just want to make sure we stay on top of care. 01:16:15
Here's where I'm at. 01:16:20
And I don't know. 01:16:24
How the rest of them? 01:16:25
The board feels about this. 01:16:26
The rest of the Commission. 01:16:29
Umm. 01:16:32
I have some. 01:16:39
I really really support the idea. 01:16:45
Of changing the phasing. 01:16:49
If because. 01:16:54
Far as I can tell. 01:16:56
From the conversations I've had. 01:16:59
And uh. 01:17:02
The things I've read and seen. 01:17:03
It does not. 01:17:05
Negatively impact. 01:17:07
The city. 01:17:09
But it. 01:17:13
It does help the developer. 01:17:16
And it does actually help the city. 01:17:19
So I'm I'm in favor of that. 01:17:23
Mice and I. 01:17:26
Totally understand. 01:17:30
The necessity of. 01:17:35
Of changing we're looking at. 01:17:38
The impact fees. 01:17:42
What I have an issue with? 01:17:46
Is tying the two together. 01:17:49
If we change the agreement. 01:17:54
We changed the impact fee. 01:17:57
If you change the impact fee. 01:18:00
I don't want to change the agreement. 01:18:03
I'm I have an issue with that. 01:18:06
That whole thing. 01:18:09
Yeah, I mean. 01:18:17
I think we're. 01:18:18
On the tail end of a negotiation that maybe we wouldn't have agreed to in the 1st place, but. 01:18:21
We are where we are. 01:18:26
I feel like. 01:18:28
At this point. 01:18:29
If this is going to help the. 01:18:32
Development. Uh. 01:18:33
It's can I help? 01:18:34
If there's. 01:18:37
The phased approach with the park and amenities at the park that we can work together on, I think that sounds great. 01:18:38
Ultimately, we're providing a recommendation to City Council so. 01:18:50
You'll have to go through them and talk about impact fees also, so. 01:18:53
I think at this point I would be ready to make a motion to say if we can. 01:18:58
I don't know how to avoid this correctly. 01:19:03
But if we can do the park. 01:19:06
As part of this renegotiation. 01:19:09
That would sound great to me. 01:19:12
And I'd be happy to. 01:19:13
Are you just to clarify that like one year period to analyze? 01:19:15
Kind of that park space, right? 01:19:18
So remove our comment about impact these just for the comment about the park space. 01:19:20
Yep. Yeah, I think that's where you're going, isn't it? 01:19:24
Yeah, that's right. 01:19:29
Electrophoresis, right? 01:19:34
OK, so if I understand. 01:19:36
What you've just said. 01:19:39
You're recommending that? 01:19:41
Staff suggestion up here. 01:19:44
Which concern which is concerns on impact fees? 01:19:51
Should be taken out. 01:19:55
Of this. 01:19:56
Amendment request. 01:19:57
Is that correct? I think that's. 01:20:00
That's what you're saying, Jordan and I, I think. 01:20:02
That's where I'm at. 01:20:06
Approve the phasing. 01:20:07
And the agreement with the park? 01:20:09
But just remove. 01:20:14
The anything impacts the impact fee issue because. 01:20:16
Personally, I see them as two separate issues. 01:20:19
No and I. 01:20:24
Having said that, I understand fully. 01:20:25
That the city. 01:20:29
Needs the money. 01:20:31
I've I've allowed the scene to make a comment on. 01:20:38
Just if you have any. 01:20:41
Because he's more vet, you know, he knows a lot more about impact fees than. 01:20:44
We do. 01:20:47
So and how it came about actually. 01:20:48
Well, I think I don't want to rehash what I previously said. 01:20:52
I'm guessing guys here. 01:20:56
What is a direct question in regards to what's being asked? 01:20:57
They are making a recommendation that we take out the impact fees. 01:21:01
And I just wanted to. 01:21:04
Make you you know, if you had any comments to that my understanding again, I'm not I'm not the legal expert and so maybe the city 01:21:06
attorney would probably align better on this, but it would be Planning Commission. 01:21:12
Providing a recommendation, however, Staffs. 01:21:18
Comments and recommendations of still stand. 01:21:21
So even regardless of the Planning Commission may say. 01:21:24
Staff's recommendation? Can't go. 01:21:28
May remain unchanged. 01:21:30
So one goes to City Council. 01:21:32
Elbow say council again. It'll go State Council. 01:21:34
Planning Commission's recommendation. Staff recommendation. 01:21:37
In the way independence from each other. 01:21:40
I guess my thing is this is. 01:21:43
You need a recommendation in order to progress to City Council. 01:21:45
If you feel confident that you can. 01:21:49
In City Council as presented. 01:21:53
Then that's great if there's a middle ground that we can come up with between now and City Council. 01:21:55
I think that's also reasonable. 01:22:02
Yeah. And then we can, we can have the, the, you know, two different recommendations. We can have the recommendation from the 01:22:03
Planning Commission. 01:22:06
To make the changes to the impact the language and then we will also have. 01:22:08
The staff recommendation to the City Council, unless we, you know, can negotiate something in the next. 01:22:12
Few days. 01:22:17
All right, but that would be the motion is is for your formal recommendation. 01:22:18
That's my motion. I would. 01:22:24
I would accept the motion. 01:22:25
To approve. 01:22:29
The change in phasing. 01:22:30
And the park agreement. 01:22:31
Favorably. 01:22:35
To the City Council. 01:22:36
And also. 01:22:40
That the impact she issued be separated from. 01:22:43
From this. 01:22:46
This part of the discussion. 01:22:48
And handle. 01:22:51
In a different way. 01:22:54
In a different discussion. 01:22:55
That would be my recommendation. 01:22:59
To the to the Commission. 01:23:02
That that's what we recommend to. 01:23:05
City Council. 01:23:07
So for the record. 01:23:13
To help Madison while she takes notes. 01:23:15
Can you? 01:23:17
Make the motion. 01:23:19
Based on your recommendation to Council. 01:23:21
Because she's just taking notes on that. 01:23:23
And it would have you second or. 01:23:26
Any other person's. 01:23:28
On this motion. 01:23:30
We've discussed how the motion should be. 01:23:32
And potentially. 01:23:34
You can just. 01:23:35
You know I can give a sample. 01:23:37
Yeah. So I'll make the motion. I'll make the motion. Tell me if you agree with it or not, but. 01:23:40
I move that we recommend for approval the development agreement changes with the change in phasing. 01:23:44
And the one year? 01:23:50
Period for City Council to decide on current structures in. 01:23:53
The park umm. 01:23:56
And remove the impact the concerns. 01:23:58
From the changes to the development agreement. 01:24:03
And to add to that. 01:24:07
The staff would make. 01:24:09
Their recommendation for the City Council? 01:24:11
Yes, we will come back to us. 01:24:14
Yeah, OK. Yeah, agree. 01:24:16
Can we have someone second it? 01:24:19
Yeah, I second it. 01:24:22
Well, thank you very much. 01:24:29
But we need a vote. 01:24:30
I'll take OK, we have a 1st and 2nd. 01:24:32
Do we need? 01:24:37
Should that be individual? 01:24:40
Yeah, we should do roll call on this. 01:24:43
Does your that be named vote? 01:24:45
Yep, alright. 01:24:47
I'll go start with you. 01:24:50
Yeah, I agree. 01:24:53
Graydon, Oscar. 01:24:55
Aye. 01:24:57
100 aye. 01:24:59
And me I. 01:25:02
And I believe the motion passes. 01:25:05
Are there any other items of business? 01:25:09
That we have. 01:25:13
I don't believe there's any items on the agenda I did want to point out though. 01:25:15
That this is actually, Madison reads. 01:25:20
Going to be her final planning question meeting with us. 01:25:22
So she got a job elsewhere and it's going to be. 01:25:25
Leaving us here shortly so just wanted to thank her for her service for the city for the past. Has it been what year and a half, 01:25:29
two years? 01:25:32
So thanks, thanks for all that you've done, but we'll. 01:25:35
This kind of conversation happening here. 01:25:38
All right. 01:25:59
I will adjourn the meeting. 01:26:02
The meeting is now adjourned. 01:26:04