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  • Call to Order/Invocation/Inspirational Thought/Pledge of Allegiance   Chair Nathan Steele called the meeting to order at19pm. Commissioner Natalie Harbin led the invocation and the pledge.  
  • Presentations/Recognitions/Awards/Proclamations   There were no comments.  
  • Public Comments PC   The were no comments.  
  • Consent Items  1.Approval of the Mayh,25 Planning Commission Meeting Minutes
  • Motion: COMMISSIONER HARBIN MOTIONED TO APPROVE THE MAYH,25 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES AT21PM. COMMISSION GRADEN OSTLER SECONDED. ALL IN FAVOR VOTED YES: HARBIN, STEELE, AND OSTLER. THE MOTION PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.  
  • Business Items  2.PUBLIC HEARING: Wastewater Master Plan, Impact Fee Facilities Plan (IFFP), and Impact Fee Analysis (IFA)
  • Public Works Director and City Engineer Naseem Ghandour noted that they will be addressing item2 and3 together but that they areseparate items.   Chair Steele outlined the process.   Director Ghandour introduced the applicant.
  • Ridley Griggs with Hansen, Allen & Luce introduced himself and began the presentation. He defined impact fees and applied locational context. He briefed the study and provided some comparisons to other Utah County cities. He added recommendations: adopt the maximum allowable impact fees.
  • Commissioner Harbin asked for clarity on water rights.   Mr. Griggs noted the process of water rights with development.   Commissioner Harbin asked for a timeline on Vineyard’s water facilities.
  • Director Ghandour provided information on the facilities and the time to construct expansion.    Commissioner Harbin asked about irrigation water.
  • Mr. Griggs noted that there are a lot of factors but that he is unsure of the history.   Director Ghandour provided more information.   Commissioner Harbin noted that it would help the conservation.
  • Chair Steele encouraged to look into an irrigation system.
  • Director Ghandour noted the water conservation plan and discussed recycled water.   Discussion ensued.
  • Commissioner Ostler asked what would happen if the irrigation water was included.   Mr. Griggs noted that it would have to be a new study and there would be a cost to it.   Commissioner Ostler noted it could save the residents’ money.
  • Chair Steele asked when the last study was completed.   Director Ghandour noted07.
  • Chair Steele noted he would like an update. He asked if we still have partnerships.   Mr. Griggs discussed where vineyard is getting their water.   Discussion ensued.
  • Chair Steele noted the significant increase and asked if the increase covers previous infrastructure.   Discussion ensued.   Chair Steele asked about the process.
  • Director Ghandour acknowledged some of the groups that they have got in contact with.   Chair Steele noted that discussing the outreach with the city council would be beneficial.
  • Chair Steele opened the wastewater item to the public.
  • Resident Daria Evans asked about the fees with TSSD.
  • Chair Steele closed the public hearing.    Director Ghandour discussed the TSSD rate studies.    Chair Steele outlined the steps forward.
  • Motion: COMMISSIONER HARBIN MOTIONED TO RECOMMEND ITEM2: WASTEWATER MASTERPLAN, IMPACT FEES FACILITY PLAN, AND IMPACT FEE ANALYSIS TO CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL AT14PM. COMMISSIONER OSTLER SECONDED. ALL IN FAVOR VOTED YES: HARBIN, STEELE, AND OSTLER. THE VOTE CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
  • Chair Steele opened the water item to the public.
  • Ms. Evans asked if we will be drilling more wells.
  • Chair Steele closed the public hearing.   Director Ghandour responded in saying no, but that we are partnering with a consultant for water rights.
  • Commissioner Harbin asked why we are moving away from the Orem water contract.   Director Ghandour acknowledged the process.    Chair Steele commented that the city should take any opportunity to do things ourselves.
  • Motion: COMMISSIONER HARBIN MOTIONED TO RECOMMEND ITEM3: WATER MASTERPLAN, IMPACT FEE FACILITIES PLAN, AND IMPACT FEE ANALYSIS TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL AT20PM. COMMISSIONER OSTLER SECONDED. ALL IN FAVOR VOTED YES: HARBIN, STEELE, AND OSTLER. THE VOTE CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.  3.PUBLIC HEARING: Water Master Plan, Impact Fee Facilities Plan (IFFP), and Impact Fee Analysis (IFA)    This item was addressed above.    4.
  • PLAN24-0116 Site Plan Application - Vineyard Gateway Phase ​
  • Senior Planner Cache Hancey provided an introduction and brief description of the site. He provided conditions of approval: the applicant pays any outstanding fees and makes any redline corrections; the applicant is subject to all federal, state, and local laws; the applicant increases the length of parking stalls, not abutting a sidewalk or landscaping, to’ in length; and no deep-rooted trees are located within’ of utility lines.
  • Chair Steele asked about the drive access.   Discussion ensued.
  • Chair Steele asked about the’ in length for the parking stalls.   Senior Planner Hancey discussed the parking requirements.
  • Commissioner Ostler asked about the width.   Senior Planner Hancey noted the minimum is.
  • Motion: CHAIR STEELE MOVED TO APPROVED ITEM4: SITE PLAN APPLICATION- VINEYARD GATEWAY PHASE WITH CONDITIONS AT27PM. COMMISSIONER HARBIN SECONDED. ALL IN FAVOR VOTED YES: HARBIN, STEELE, AND OSTLER. THE VOTE CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.  5.
  • PLAN24-0121 Site Plan with Conditional Use Permit - Ward Church Meetinghouse    Planner Anthony Fletcher presented item5 and6 together.
  • Planner Fletcher provided locational context and described the reason behind the separation of applications. He briefed the site and requirements.
  • Planner Fletcher provided the conditions of approval: The applicant pays any outstanding fees and makes any redline corrections; the applicant is subject to all federal, state, and local laws; the applicant settles all tax-related issues with Utah County; the applicant shall update all plan sheets for the project to reflect all the updates made, such as pedestrian crossings, etc., for consistency in the approved plans.
  • Commissioner Harbin asked why there were tax issues.   Planner Fletcher noted that it is based on the land. It was clarified that it was based on the title.   Commissioner Harbin asked about the design.
  • Mike Davey, the applicant, discussed the Hamptons building.
  • Commissioner Ostler asked who determined the parking need.   Planner Fletcher described where the numbers came from.
  • Chair Steele noted factors he feels that may impact differences to that calculation. He noted a request for a study on overflow.   Mr. Davey noted they went above the requirement in case of that overflow.   Director Ghandour noted that they are near a school.
  • Chair Steele asked about the subdivision.   Planner Fletcher noted that staff encouraged it because they wanted to have two addresses.   Chair Steele asked what the formula was for the required number of bike racks.   Planner Fletcher discussed that it is minimum% of required parking stalls.   Chair Steele clarified the calculation. He noted he appreciates additional bike parking. He discussed exterior materials.
  • Motion: COMMISSIONER HARBIN MOTIONED TO APPROVE ITEM5: SITE PLAN WITH CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT- WARD CHURCH MEETINGHOUSE WITH CONDITIONS AS PRESENTED AT49PM. COMMISSIONER OSTLER SECONDED. ALL IN FAVOR VOTED YES: HARBIN, STEELE, AND OSTLER. THE VOTE CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
  • Motion: COMMISSIONER OSTLER MOTIONED TO APPROVE ITEM6: SITE PLAN WITH CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT- SPRINGWATERCHURCH MEETINGHOUSE WITH CONDITIONS AS PRESENTED AT50PM. COMMISSIONER HARBIN SECONDED. ALL IN FAVOR VOTED YES: HARBIN, STEELE, AND OSTLER. THE VOTE CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.  6.PLAN24-0127 Site Plan with Conditional Use Permit - SpringwaterChurch Meetinghouse   This item was addressed above.  7.
  • PLAN25-0010 Site Plan Application - Racquet Club
  • Senior Planner Hancey introduced the application and provided the documents. He discussed the recommended signage for parking. Senior Planner Hancey provided the conditions: any redline corrections are made, all ADA requirements are met, a parking signage and wayfinding plan is provided for the city to ensure guests of the facility park in the designated lot and not city street prior to building permit issuance, fencing material approved by Community Development Department, parking stalls are increased to’ in length, an updated photometric plan is provided with detailed hours of operations, and updated site plan and landscaping plan are provided to staff.
  • Commissioner Harbin appreciated the recommendation for wayfinding.   Chair Steele asked about the club membership.   Bronson Tatton, the applicant, noted that it is a private club that is fenced in.
  • Motion: COMMISSIONER HARBIN MOTIONED TO APPROVE ITEM7: SITE PLAN APPLICATION- RAQUET CLUB WITH CONDITIONS AS PRESENTED AT57 PM. COMMISSIONER OSTLER SECONDED. ALL IN FAVOR VOTED YES: HARBIN, STEELE, OSTLER. THE VOTE CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.  8.
  • PLAN25-0009 Site Plan Amendment Application - Utah City Blockc
  • Senior Planner Hancey provided a description of the amendment and highlighted the changes. He provided the conditions: plat is recorded prior to building permit review, and any structure encroaching the public right of way must maintain ADA access.
  • Chair Steele asked for an explanation of consistency with neighboring buildings.   Mr. Tatton provided context.
  • Motion: CHAIR STEELE MOTIONED TO APPROVE ITEM8: SITE PLAN AMENDEMNT- UTAH CITY BLOCKC WITH CONDITIONS AS PRESENTED AT01 PM. ALL IN FAVOR VOTED YES: HARBIN, STEELE, AND OSTLER. THE VOTE CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.  9.
  • PLAN25-0014 Site Plan Amendment Application – Utah City Wellness Center and Resort Pool
  • Senior Planner Hancey provided locational context and highlighted the changes. He provided the features included. Senior Planner Hancey included the conditions: applicant works with staff on shade sails for splash pad as needed.
  • Commissioner Harbin asked about the changes in the elevations.   Mr. Tatton clarified the elevation drawings of the building.   Commissioner Harbin asked what the reason was for the design changes.   Mr. Tatton noted that they were transitioning to more traditional design.
  • Chair Steele asked about the shade structures.   Senior Planner Hancey discussed the intention. Chair Steele does not feel that it should be a requirement.
  • Mr. Tatton provided more context on the shade areas.   Commissioner Harbin asked about the trees.
  • Motion: COMMISSIONER HARBIN MOTIONED TO APPROVE ITEM9: SITE PLAN AMENDMENT APPLICATION- UTAH CITY WELLNESS CENTERR AND RESORT POOL AT08 PM. ALL IN FAVOR VOTED YES: HARBIN, STEELE, AND OSTLER. THE VOTE CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.  Work Session   No work items were submitted.  
  • Staff and Commission Reports   Planner Fletcher appreciated the patience with the delayed meeting start.   Chair Steele requested a future discussion about start time and attendance.  
  • Adjournment   The meeting was adjourned at10pm.       MINUTES CERTIFIED COMPLETE ON: Juneth,25 CERTIFIED (NOTICED) BY: /s/. Madison Reed                                                      Madison Reed, Planning Technician

Transcript

Event transcript
All right. 00:00:16
All right, ready. Time to review. 00:00:19
Yeah, thanks. 00:00:23
Good. Alright. Welcome everybody. Thank you. Uh. 00:00:26
Uh, we, it is 619. We're gonna go ahead and start the Planning Commission meeting. 00:00:30
For May 21st, 2025, this is our call to order. Uh, thank you all for your patience uh. 00:00:34
We will now start with, uh, invocation in charge of the agent. 00:00:41
Umm, yeah. Can you go ahead and get that? Absolutely. Thanks, Natalie. 00:00:46
Dear Father, thank you so much for this day. Thank you for our opportunity to be here. Umm, we ask that you would guide our hearts 00:00:50
or minds, that you would give us wisdom and patience as we, umm, we dig in, we pursue. 00:00:57
The astant tonight and we thank you for this opportunity. Together. We ask all these things in Jesus name, Amen. Amen. Thank you. 00:01:04
One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 00:01:20
Thank you. 00:01:28
All right, let's move on, Uh. 00:01:30
Uh, there are no items in Section 2 for presentation. 00:01:33
Uh, which then leads us to public comment. So if there are any members of the public this evening who have something to share? 00:01:36
On a topic that is not on the agenda, the time is not yours. 00:01:44
Seeing none. 00:01:50
Now we waited 20 minutes and now none of you guys came up with anything disappointing. 00:01:51
Uh, we'll go ahead and move on to our consent. I. 00:01:56
Item uh, item 4, which is the approval of the May 7th of Planning Commission meeting. 00:01:59
Do I have any questions or a motion to approve? 00:02:04
I motion to approve. All right, motion by now. 00:02:07
You got a second, ma'am? 00:02:12
All in favor say aye aye. 00:02:17
Passes unanimously. 00:02:20
Uh, we'll now move on to our business items item 5.2. 00:02:22
Which is the public hearing of the Wastewater Master plan, impact fee facilities plan, and impact fee analysis. 00:02:26
Uh, before we move on to that, our. 00:02:34
Our items 5.2 and 5.3 addressed in the same presentation, although they be separate presentations. Uh, thanks for asking. Uh, 00:02:36
honestly, there are other work that they'll be addressing the same presentations. I just wanted to make sure that. 00:02:41
It's noted that there are two separate items, but, uh, for. 00:02:47
Umm, uh, efficiencies, uh, you know, what goes in must come out with water and wastewater is best to be, uh, done at the same 00:02:51
time. Wonderful, thank you. So because these are both public hearings, what we'll do is hear the presentation and have our 00:02:56
discussion. 00:03:01
Then I will open a public hearing. 00:03:06
For the Washington for the wastewater discussion have. 00:03:08
Uh, close that, have the vote, then we'll open another public hearing for the water discussion. 00:03:12
Close it and have a vote, just so we all know the process. 00:03:17
Uh, but we'll go ahead and start with the staff presentation. 00:03:20
Uh, get prepared, but uh, it's my, it's my pleasure to, uh, introduce Lily. 00:03:25
For 1/2 analyst who, uh, has been working on this building for a year and a half. 00:03:29
Great. 00:03:34
OK. 00:03:45
All right. Well, thank you. I can see you said. 00:03:47
I work for Hampton Allen and Luce engineering. 00:03:53
Umm, we're on the City team. As a consultant, I am involved in the preparation of these Impact First plans. 00:03:56
Umm, as was mentioning 2 separate business items, but uh, one presentation. 00:04:03
So we'll go ahead and get into it. 00:04:09
Alright, so. 00:04:11
Impact fees. 00:04:13
Umm, to talk about the purpose of an impact fee. Umm, the impact fee is meant to cover the cost imposed upon the new city by 00:04:15
development. Their impact fees for lots of different things I'm gonna be focusing on. 00:04:22
Uh, utility infrastructure, there are also impact fees for parks, umm, for these things like that. Essentially when someone moves 00:04:29
into vineyards, there's an impact on all these essential public services, uh, financial impact. And so the point of the impact fee 00:04:37
is to pay the city back for that cost. These are development related. That's very important. 00:04:44
How's written into the law? 00:04:52
Umm, if development imposes a cost, development, UMM should pay for it. Umm, In fact, fees can't be retroactive. They can't cover 00:04:53
costs attributable to this individual. So. 00:04:59
In a nutshell, that is what impact these are. These are periodically updated from time to time as standard practice because things 00:05:07
are constantly changing. 00:05:11
Construction costs more and more all the time, unfortunately. Umm. 00:05:16
We have changes to city planning documents, zoning, land use, umm, that necessitates. 00:05:20
Uh, a closer looking infrastructure in some situations and as growth growth occurs and as we implement our utility plans. 00:05:26
Umm, there there's just periodic need to evaluate, keep these up to date. So umm. 00:05:34
For all those reasons, umm. 00:05:40
We are updating fees just to try and keep up with the main thing that's going on. 00:05:42
Uh, in the world. 00:05:46
So, uh, there are a couple of components to an impact fee. 00:05:47
Number one, as we look at the existing system. 00:05:51
In a vineyard in the past has paid money. 00:05:53
That supports infrastructure, that helps new development. 00:05:56
Then the city can be reimbursed for that cost by development. So we look at the existing system, we look at what the city is paid. 00:06:01
And uh. 00:06:08
If there's money that can be reimbursed as development comes in and we also look at forecasted growth within a 10 year planning 00:06:10
period and then within that planning period we identify capital projects. 00:06:15
Necessary to help Vineyard provide those essential services. 00:06:21
And we can also begin to collect money for those projects that are coming up in the near future. 00:06:25
And then? 00:06:31
Umm, we, we essentially look at all that costs. OK, how much is all this infrastructure going to cost? And then how many people? 00:06:33
Our service connections are going to benefit from these projects and then we look at the costs, we look at the benefits. 00:06:40
And we compete according to law. 00:06:47
Uh, proportionate impact. 00:06:49
So it's intended to be just a fair representation of the true cost to. 00:06:51
Uh, the city. 00:06:57
Umm, imposed by the development. 00:06:59
So, umm, what we compute is what's called the maximum allowable impact fee. Umm. 00:07:01
So cities are at liberty to charge less. 00:07:07
Than the maximum allowable if they choose. 00:07:10
Umm, we generally don't advise this because you've got covering your cost somehow and these are a great way to do it, but that is 00:07:13
an option for the seat. 00:07:16
Umm, you're not allowed to charge more than what's actually allowed. 00:07:20
Uh, there's some, some cities that don't really want to grow and would love to impose such a high impact fee that they never issue 00:07:24
another building permit again, right? 00:07:28
But law doesn't allow for that. It's gotta be fair, it's portion. 00:07:33
So umm, I'm gonna give just a high level summary of. 00:07:37
Umm, the infrastructure project going to this impact analysis. 00:07:42
So this here is an aerial image. 00:07:47
Of Vineyard and we've highlighted in some different colors. 00:07:50
The areas where we're seeing growth pressure and where we're anticipating to see growth pressure. 00:07:53
Uh, within the 10 year time frame. 00:07:59
Of the analysis now. 00:08:01
Umm, it, it's been approximate and it can never be perfect, right? We're trying to predict the future, so. 00:08:03
We do the best we can, we try to be reasonable and so. 00:08:08
Umm, just with the projection that we developed in in partnership with the city staff. 00:08:12
And then we put projects. 00:08:17
Umm and we figure out which capital projects are needed to provide in this, in this case water service to these developments. 00:08:20
So. 00:08:27
Umm, we identified a number of capital projects. 00:08:28
Uh, you'll see various pipelines in different colors. 00:08:31
Umm, we don't look at every single piece of infrastructure that goes in. 00:08:35
Umm, on a subdivision level, you know the developer is responsible to put in infrastructure to serve that development. 00:08:40
Umm, but these are improvements that serve on a wider scale, so they contribute. 00:08:48
To umm users throughout the city, so. 00:08:53
Uh, you'll notice a system of red pipelines that is a project that's being constructed during completion. 00:08:57
On the North End of that there's also a tank and a pump station. 00:09:03
That is nearing completion. Perhaps you've heard of these projects have been ongoing, which are under construction for a little 00:09:07
while, so. 00:09:10
Uh, they make up a large piece of this and then. 00:09:14
As growth occurs over time of the pipelines will be needed. 00:09:17
And then on the wastewater collection system side, we went through a similar analysis looking at these areas that are going to be 00:09:21
growing. 00:09:25
Umm, figuring out what they need Uh, so these are schematic representations. The master plans and the impact feasibility plans 00:09:28
have more details on these projects and how big are the pipes or the capacity of the. 00:09:35
Uh, the tank and the pump station, etcetera, but. 00:09:42
This is background just to show you some of the the upcoming projects that are on the horizon. 00:09:45
Umm, so they're gonna feed into the impact. 00:09:50
So. 00:09:54
Once we look at the projects. 00:09:57
Umm put costs to those projects, look at the growth. 00:10:00
We bring some financial people in so also on the consultant team. 00:10:04
Uh, not here tonight from the consultant team with Lions Public Finance. 00:10:08
Umm, they helped us the financial side of things. So once, once I and my role as an engineer kind of set all that engineering data 00:10:12
to them. 00:10:16
Uh, they looked at some other things. They looked at what is, what is the city's outstanding impact fee balance. 00:10:20
Umm. 00:10:26
You know what is the city's debt service schedule? 00:10:27
What's that gonna look like over time? 00:10:30
And then we put all the costs together. 00:10:33
Umm, and compute A proportionate share by what we call an equivalent residential connection. We abbreviate that as ERC. So a 00:10:35
typical residential home and vineyard is defined as one ERC. So then. 00:10:42
It's kind of a business that comes in. 00:10:49
And it uses 10 times as much water as a typical home. We just give it 10 ERC. So it's just a convenient moment. Wire to help us 00:10:51
assess fees in the uniformly consistent way. 00:10:56
So we competed growth fee per ERC. 00:11:02
Umm, that's the first. First column here on the table is a year and the second is what we call the gross fee. So that's the true 00:11:06
financial impact. 00:11:10
So to pay for one residential connection impact on the system. 00:11:15
Uh, the impact there is $5659.82 so. 00:11:21
That pays for that home share of the pipes in the ground. 00:11:27
And the tank and the computation that's providing water and providing pressure. 00:11:30
So and then from there. 00:11:35
Uh, we also look at a couple of different credits. 00:11:37
So. 00:11:41
So the basic idea behind these credits is that. 00:11:43
Umm, they're related to. 00:11:47
Comes with the city owes. 00:11:49
Or or expenses that Citi is projected to incur. 00:11:50
And so if someone comes in. 00:11:54
And build the home in 2025. 00:11:57
Uh, they'll pay an impact fee. 00:12:00
And then they'll start paying their rates. 00:12:02
And over time, the rates that they pay are also going to go towards paying down the city's bonds and paying for the city projects. 00:12:05
So, umm. 00:12:09
Whereas if someone builds in 2030. 00:12:16
You know, that's, that's 5 less years that they're actually paying those costs to vineyards. And so for those people who come in 00:12:19
sooner. 00:12:23
They're given a credit, they pay less of the impact fee up front. 00:12:27
With the understanding that they're going to become ratepayers and they're going to pick up the remainder of that cost over the 00:12:31
coming years. So, umm. 00:12:36
In the next two columns are credits related to the bond and for some projects that are coming up. 00:12:41
Umm, that will be paid for by the rate payers. 00:12:46
So on the right side, we have our maximum fee per ERC, so for year 2025. 00:12:49
That fee is $4207.49. 00:12:55
And then as time progresses each year, that maximum allowable fee goes. 00:12:59
Up and up until. 00:13:04
You know, 2033 were a little over $5000 so. 00:13:06
That is what we found for drinking water. 00:13:11
Uh, so I'm I'm gonna give a comparison here with several caveats. 00:13:14
Umm, so. 00:13:19
Umm, one comment you made, yeah, would be is there a very significant change compared to? 00:13:21
Umm, the existing impact. 00:13:27
So the the city currently has two service areas. 00:13:30
Umm, they're just physically separated, served by different. 00:13:34
Umm, entities right now. So there is an existing impact fee being set for each of those areas. One is $873 and one is 521. 00:13:37
Umm. So this proposed 2025 number of 4270 UMM is a significant change. There are a couple of caveats there. 00:13:46
Umm, so currently. 00:13:55
Vineyard's water is being provided by UH. Depending on what service area you're in, either Orem City or Central Utah Water. 00:13:57
And vineyards have essentially been using capacity. 00:14:06
In those systems. 00:14:09
So Vineyard up until. 00:14:11
Just recently has never had their own storage tank or source facilities. Those are uh. 00:14:12
Umm, I'll, I'll be. 00:14:19
Quote UN quote borrowed, you could say. 00:14:20
That's a temporary arrangement. 00:14:22
Umm, that was put in place so the venue could keep going until the point where now we have our own facilities. 00:14:25
So that that's a big part of the change is whereas before we're kind of working with. 00:14:32
Facilities owned by other entities. 00:14:38
Uh, now when you're gonna have their own facilities and there, my understanding is there are some other. 00:14:40
Fees not in the impact fee, but other fees that uh users came in and paid when they connected to the service area. We can. 00:14:46
Uh, chime in or talk about my ear if I'm getting anything wrong there, but so there were some other fees that make the gap a 00:14:54
little bit less, uh, drastic than maybe it seemed on this slide, but it is a change. 00:15:01
So one question we often get asked. 00:15:11
Yeah, forget the small font. Uh, one question we often get asked is how the impact fees. 00:15:14
Being proposed compared to those in other communities so. 00:15:21
This is a comparison table that we put together for. 00:15:24
As many Utah County cities as we could find. Umm, I'll just, I'll give a few caveats. Umm, some of these numbers might be up to a 00:15:28
year old. 00:15:32
And then? 00:15:38
Everything's a little bit different in how they do these, so. 00:15:39
Uh, an equivalent unit in one city is not necessarily the same as another, right? Some cities are bigger left on average. Umm, 00:15:42
it's actually quite difficult to have to do what your apples to apples comparison. 00:15:48
Umm, this table is our best attempt to do that. But in order to do that we have applied some adjustments to some of these numbers 00:15:54
so. 00:15:58
I'll just give a few disclaimers. These might not be the exact numbers that you see. If you research these on your own, we may 00:16:01
have applied a little bit of an adjustment for comparison purposes. 00:16:06
Uh, or they may have been updated since we last did this research. 00:16:11
1012 months ago. 00:16:14
But this is our best attempt to just paint a general picture of what the impact the landscape looks like in Utah County and how 00:16:16
Vignette stacks up. 00:16:21
So a fee of 4207 dollars. 00:16:27
Umm, you can see that Vineyard is fairly close to the middle of the pack. 00:16:30
Perhaps trending just slightly above average. 00:16:34
Umm. But that's to be expected for newer cities in particular. Uh. 00:16:37
A lot of older cities built a lot of their infrastructure and it was much, much cheaper and when interest rates were very low. 00:16:43
And that helped their cause a lot, whereas Vineyard building a bunch of brand new facilities, that's just kind of the reality of 00:16:50
the situation, but. 00:16:54
Umm. This is uh. 00:16:58
Nothing out of line compared to what we see in a lot of other communities. 00:17:00
So now if we move on to. 00:17:07
The wastewater collection impact phase. 00:17:09
Uh, similar concept, our growth fee wastewater collection. 00:17:14
Forecast 820 dollars. 00:17:19
Umm, this is for collection. I'm gonna address treatment on the next slide up. That's a different. 00:17:22
Consideration. 00:17:29
And then there are a couple of credits for bond payments and upcoming projects to be financed by ratepayers. So our year 2025 00:17:30
impact fees for collection. 00:17:36
Is $636. 00:17:41
Umm, so by comparison there are two service areas currently. 00:17:45
We saw our collection Area A, area B. 00:17:51
Umm, so this represents A slight increase as compared to Area A. 00:17:55
And then umm. 00:18:01
Area B. 00:18:03
Is that all wrong or? 00:18:05
Well, OK, all right. I, I don't know all the background on how the last study was done. 00:18:07
But, umm, what? What we're doing moving forward is, uh, combining it into one service area. Again, Vineyard is. 00:18:13
At the point where it's it's borrowing less from others, taking care of itself. 00:18:20
Umm. And so it's $636 and this is? 00:18:24
Uh, and, and we'll see on the comparison too on collections, this is a very reasonable fee. It even comes a little bit low. 00:18:29
Umm. And that. 00:18:36
Tends to happen in cities with uh. 00:18:38
Umm, kinda. Higher population densities. 00:18:41
Umm, you know. 00:18:44
More people working together to build those sewer pipes. It just tends to be more efficient than indicates where a community is 00:18:46
probably a little bit more so. 00:18:50
So for collection, that's our number. 00:18:55
Uh, treatment is a separate issue. 00:18:57
Uh, so the majority of. 00:19:01
UH Vineyards wastewater is conveyed to Timpanogos Special service district to TSSC. 00:19:03
Uh, and that is the city's treatment provider. And so TSSD assesses a separate treatment. 00:19:09
Impact the. 00:19:18
Uh to development engineered and their fee for 2025 is $5092.00 so. 00:19:19
That's uh. 00:19:25
That's by far the biggest, uh, treatment expense in terms of impact fees. 00:19:27
So this is a similar comparison table for Utah County SO. 00:19:32
We have collection on first call. First column is the city and the next column is the collection expenses. 00:19:38
Next column is treatment and the minimum total. 00:19:46
So. 00:19:49
Umm, once again looking at Vineyard. 00:19:50
On the total. 00:19:53
Uh $5728.00 for work collection and treatment. 00:19:54
Uh, this is fairly close to the middle, perhaps a little above average. Umm. 00:19:59
You'll notice that. 00:20:03
Most of the communities that are in venues company, they're on that higher end. 00:20:04
Pay that TSSD treatment impact the $5092.00 so. 00:20:10
That affects a lot of our neighbors as well, and there's a lot of similarity there. But, umm. 00:20:16
Once again, a pretty typical fee, nothing out of line there. 00:20:22
Umm, just with what construction costs these days? 00:20:25
So what's on? 00:20:29
In terms of recommendations, our standard recommendations to. 00:20:31
Today is to adopt the maximum allowable impact fee. 00:20:35
Uh, this allows the city to have development comes in to cover. 00:20:39
Costs, uh, anything less than the maximum allowable and, and the city needs to cover that another way. 00:20:44
So, uh, that's our standard recommendation. 00:20:51
And with that, that's what I have. So if I miss anything, you think anything you want. 00:20:56
OK, alright, nice. 00:21:01
I'm here for questions at this point. Great. Thank you. Uh, before we open for public comment, uh, do you have any questions for 00:21:04
the applicant staff? 00:21:09
I do have a couple. 00:21:14
Umm. 00:21:17
Can with the fees for the water supply and rice, is that just individual usage? Is that what you're referring to? You said the 00:21:18
fees are separate from all these other ones when we're paying for? 00:21:24
Add the drinking water impact fee. 00:21:30
Umm, for the water supply and. 00:21:33
That are separate on there. Are those like individually paid for? Is that what you're referring to or is the city still paying 00:21:36
some? 00:21:39
So, umm, again, this team can correct me if I misspeak, but uh, standard procedure for water ice is umm. 00:21:43
Usually that's what I would prefer to as an assessment. So typically what the city does is. 00:21:52
You know, kind of spells out all right when someone comes in and develops. 00:21:58
Uh, they need to find water rights and water source. 00:22:02
Bring that water and dedicate that water to the city so that the city has that long term supply. So that's, that's an assessment 00:22:06
separate from the impact season. Umm. 00:22:11
That, umm. 00:22:17
Yeah, that'll be, I mean implemented moving forward. We'll be continuing. We're, we're looking right now as kind of a part of this 00:22:20
project to the next step. Umm, we're continually looking at ways to go out and get that water, umm and find avenues for developers 00:22:25
that we're bringing here. So that's an ongoing process. OK, that's helpful. You mentioned that we are building our own facilities 00:22:31
to help. 00:22:37
Or water, which is fantastic. Umm, is there a timeline for that, or is there any other information you have on that project? Yeah, 00:22:44
let's see, when are we gonna Commission those tank compensation? 00:22:48
Your H uh, health analyst, actually the same company that's, uh, really works for, uh, different part of the, uh, vaccine company 00:22:53
is helping us, uh. 00:22:56
With that, uh, particular project. 00:23:00
So we have a 6,000,000 down one time that's located at the public works yard. 00:23:02
Uh, which is, uh, just east of, uh, London Marina, uh, on there it has, uh, it's a mural, uh, the venue city mural on there. 00:23:06
Uh, that is the schedule to be turned on on July 1. 00:23:15
Of this calendar year. 00:23:18
Uh, and that's umm. 00:23:21
And then the future expansion of another 3,000,000 gallons, uh. 00:23:23
Uh, to the CI wire pack like so? 00:23:28
Uh, allow us to expand the mural specifically, and that's all the reason we're doing now, uh, to, to exactly now well. 00:23:31
This uh, 3,000,000 wire tank again, the timing of the additional expansion uh, it really takes on the need umm, that's the only 00:23:39
thing. 00:23:43
Need to stay there and it would be a no water match plan. I think we anticipate it would have to be within the next 8 to 10 years. 00:23:47
About 8 to 10 years. 8 to 10 years roughly. Yeah. Plus money. I mean, it's, uh. 00:23:53
To construct? Yeah, To construct the expansion. Umm. 00:23:59
And as long along with it is uh, uh. 00:24:03
Our our earlier in the year so. 00:24:06
There's a lot of construction work on on Mill Rd. 00:24:08
As long, uh, being a connector of Main Street and so forth, that was the. 00:24:12
Uh, water line. Uh, pipe upgrade. 00:24:16
Uh, you know, uh, to, in order to accommodate, uh. 00:24:19
You know, WI, uh, Wi-Fi, so forth. 00:24:23
So those projects were. 00:24:26
Alright, uh, for uh, pressure, push forward. 00:24:27
That's helpful. Umm. 00:24:32
This may be a question he's gonna answer. It's the man curious about, and we're talking about water, so I wanna know, umm, why 00:24:34
don't we have access to irrigation water? 00:24:38
Here because I lived in Lehigh before and we had a radiation water and you had it listed. Mine has been you're not having it has 00:24:43
come through the lake or. 00:24:46
Yeah. So there there are a lot of factors that go into that decision. 00:24:50
Umm, and. 00:24:54
And financially, irrigation systems don't always make sense. 00:24:56
Umm. 00:25:00
You know, it depends on what irrigation water do you have available and how does it have to be conveyed. So I don't know the full 00:25:02
history of Vineyard and why, umm, why that wasn't implemented on the front end. 00:25:09
Umm. But my my basic assumption is as. 00:25:16
Uh, people were hunting for their water supply. Umm, the drinking water system just presented itself as a better option. 00:25:20
Umm, that being said, we vineyard does have some limited aviation water right now to serve some carbs, umm, some green spaces. And 00:25:27
it's something that we are, uh, continuing. 00:25:33
Yeah, so. 00:25:40
Uh, it's closed there exactly. Uh, we have, we have irrigation service like for example, they're like bumping our irrigation 00:25:41
company. They have irrigation shares from there. We. 00:25:46
That, umm. 00:25:51
Tinning Springs Park, there we are. So I I always call it the iPod, but Pinterest park, uh. 00:25:54
Nippon, there is the pressure irrigation, uh, pond which uh. 00:26:00
Uh received as far from the light bulb canal they say utilizes about for uh irrigation of of. 00:26:04
Public spaces. 00:26:11
At all, uh, specifically for the public spaces, uh, kind of hit the nail on the head, but in the terms of it does come to your 00:26:12
financial. 00:26:16
Unfortunately, it's umm. 00:26:20
Uh, you know, uh, back where I came from, uh, Florida, uh, the state actually, uh, secondary water is. 00:26:22
Above and throughout the state, it was a state mandate. 00:26:30
And it was not, it wasn't just a regular statement, it was a funded state manager. It was actually money for toys and it was about 00:26:34
a 15 year process. 00:26:38
To get a lot of stuff done and, uh. 00:26:42
The the biggest part of that is about. 00:26:45
The water Co umm even with a state like that so Florida where water is wanted to be sometimes. 00:26:48
Umm, a lot of irrigation water comes from reuse versus, uh, your national sources. 00:26:56
On that. 00:27:02
And, uh, you talk again, uh, with the national sources of water. 00:27:03
Being, uh, primarily uh. 00:27:07
Uh, specifically for, uh, culinary. 00:27:09
Uh, uses any kind of put it, put it out there. If the water can be used for pulmonary, they tend to always use, uh, ease, uh. 00:27:12
I know up and down. 00:27:19
Because we need to order spending a lot of money on. 00:27:20
Policing and treatment. 00:27:23
To ensure that they have to increase their, uh, culinary side of the water. 00:27:25
They've they're they're it's just down the street from. 00:27:29
The Public Works building. 00:27:31
There is a Utah Water, uh, facility for the Central Utah Project facility. That's what they're called. 00:27:34
Uh, and, uh, there's been a lot of construction, uh, you know, over the crane. 00:27:41
Uh, lots of, uh, building their facility, building their facility to ensure that's the first. 00:27:46
I'm out, I'm outside. 01 city is. 00:27:51
Umm, have a reused project that they're that the city, uh, has the ability to tie into. 00:27:54
Our next budget year. 00:28:01
Uh, we do have, uh, money, uh, planned for. 00:28:03
A secondary water master plan, uh, to be, uh, to be done. 00:28:07
Uh, to determine if, uh, the feasibility and uh, financial, uh, for both operational and financial portions of. 00:28:12
Uh, bring more secondary water into your city? 00:28:19
Oh no, I hope those are answering your question. 00:28:22
Yeah, I do. Thank you. Even just from a conservation standpoint, it just. 00:28:26
Yeah, would makes much more. 00:28:30
Please, and this is something I'm I don't know a lot about water, but I've been very interested in this particular topic for a 00:28:33
while. Can you please go to the table where it's the Utah County city comparison for water fees. So there, there it is. And then 00:28:38
for. 00:28:42
Yeah, umm. 00:28:47
I want to strongly encourage us to look more. 00:28:50
Into some kind of irrigation system. I know that there's the argument of financially it might not make sense. 00:28:53
I've worked for three different communities in Arizona, California and Wisconsin. All of them have it as robust and maybe it's 00:29:01
just because those states. 00:29:05
We're a lot more supportive of it than Utah. 00:29:09
Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. I don't want to speak on that right now, I just know how. 00:29:12
Could it made us look during droughts, hey, we have a lot of recycled water and that is why we could keep our fields green and. 00:29:17
Droughts are abundant in the state of Utah. So I would rather, especially in a growing community like vineyards, us being forward 00:29:26
thinking and not be trapped in the same program that some of our older neighbors are in where they now have to retroactively go 00:29:32
back and install this stuff. It's a lot easier when you put it in from the beginning, a lot of vineyards. 00:29:38
Too late. 00:29:46
But there's a heck of a lot of vineyard that we still have an opportunity. 00:29:47
So I'd love to see some purple pipe in there where there can be some recycled water. 00:29:51
Umm. 00:29:56
Can't emphasize enough how much I think this needs to be an element in our general plan, you know, uh, and we are exactly, we 00:29:58
have, uh, in this, we have a water conservation plan. 00:30:03
That was done in 2021. Uh, are we doing that thing? 00:30:09
In, in uh, 2023, at the rate, we also revised our general plan, uh, in order to afford our conservation elements. 00:30:13
Because the water up to proactively for staff. 00:30:21
Umm the umm. 00:30:24
Uh, there is a representative here, uh, that, uh, has information on the downtown development where there's, you know, inner city 00:30:27
and, and the developer for the downtown. 00:30:32
Area is working uh sure that there is irrigation crossing please. 00:30:36
As well, uh, for the public spaces, public parks, umm, and of course make sure that we're using more job resistance. 00:30:42
Uh, landscaping and then, uh. 00:30:48
This summer right here next to me, uh, Patrick James, our system change here. 00:30:51
Uh the whole way field downtown, uh insurance, uh utilizing the. 00:30:55
Umm, up to the 4400 projects installed to. 00:31:00
Get a uh. 00:31:04
Secondary water, uh, line from the line installed in industry systems prior to that will be a recycled water. 00:31:05
That would be good, Yeah, I want to recycle water. And then. Yeah, for sure, I again. 00:31:13
I'll see, uh, to have both sides and turn on the same level in terms of recycled water. 00:31:19
Uh, percentages and so forth. So. 00:31:24
Uh, I think the state itself doesn't issue secondary Washington recycled water like reused water. 00:31:26
Uh, permits anymore? 00:31:33
I more than say they got one. 00:31:34
Uh, I'm not sure how, but there's like a very strict. 00:31:37
Way to get it. Yeah, I can comment. I'd like to put a moratorium on it. 00:31:40
Yeah, so, so yeah, Orange got it far enough. 00:31:44
Back in time, umm, there was. 00:31:49
The regulations were a little different. 00:31:52
Than they are now. 00:31:53
Umm, so with a lot of momentum at the Utah legislation the past few years. 00:31:55
To, uh, safely Great Salt Lake bolster the Great Salt Lake, UMM. 00:32:00
There was some concern by some of the representatives that if you take water, umm, recycled water from the treatment plant and you 00:32:06
put it back on your lawn, that that's why you're not making it to the Great Salt Lake. So, uh, there was a, a rule put in place 00:32:12
to. 00:32:18
Yeah, and essentially right now there's a moratorium if you're within the Great Salt Lake watershed. It's, umm, kind of on hold, 00:32:24
Uh. 00:32:28
Umm, without trying to say too much. 00:32:33
I think, uh, I might disagree a little bit with that because if you don't recycle it, you. 00:32:36
Take it from a different source and you still put it on your lawn, essentially. So, uh, those discussions are being had. 00:32:42
Uh, I think we'll see some movement in the next couple of years, but yeah, that's kind of the status right now. 00:32:49
OK. Thanks, Sir. 00:32:55
Explaining that. 00:32:57
Do you wanna keep going or? 00:32:58
Should we ask our questions? 00:32:59
Thank you for letting me, uh, ask all. I have another one that had to wastewater, but I think that you should go ahead because 00:33:01
it's kind of a tension, so go ahead. 00:33:05
And do you have any? 00:33:10
OK. 00:33:12
I I have a long list, so I'm sorry, what what would that do to our impact we. 00:33:13
If we didn't, if we had the irrigation water, if we had the irrigation water, it'll probably have to be a whole new study. 00:33:21
Umm, that's quite an understatement. Yeah. Yeah, I can't, I can't give you a number right now, but yeah, there's certainly a cost 00:33:26
to it. Umm. 00:33:29
Uh, like you mentioned, Mr. Steele, uh, it's. 00:33:33
It's a lot easier to put it in. 00:33:36
At your building, instead of going back in time, anything that we did in the existing town to serve the existing residents, we're 00:33:39
just. 00:33:42
Dig up and retrofit and put in the Pi system. 00:33:46
That would have nothing that would have no effect on the impact fee. 00:33:49
You know, we can't charge future development for something we're doing for our current residents. So our retrofit would not affect 00:33:53
the impact of fee at all. 00:33:58
Umm, but yeah, if the city you were to put a plan together that involves some pressurized irrigation storage facilities and major 00:34:03
pipelines and yeah, we can see the impact fee to. 00:34:09
Uh, collect funds for those, but that also could potentially. 00:34:15
Is offset some of that drinking water cost because now that home use is a lot less water. 00:34:19
Uh, from the drinking water system because they can hear you in another way. Yeah, that sounds good. It might be an initial 00:34:25
investment, but in the long term savings one. 00:34:29
OK, uh. 00:34:36
My quick question, uh. 00:34:37
The questions are quick, but the list is long. Sorry. Uh, when was the last update? 00:34:40
Or the last study done? 00:34:45
The last official site was down to the 2007, uh, with mountain American, uh, Mountain Lambs Association development. That was a 00:34:48
lot of people did not fund and run it. Umm, I wasn't here for that. So I can't, I, I, I imagine that's just been like, uh. 00:34:56
OK, great. 00:35:05
Alright. Uh, and so just as veneered through, we've been using those 2007 projections, so obviously. 00:35:07
Long overdue update it because what vignette is now and will be in the next 10 years is not what it was. 00:35:14
18 years ago. 00:35:21
Totally support. 00:35:23
Having this update. 00:35:25
Umm, when it comes to water, then you're building its own facilities. 00:35:27
Umm, we had talked about uh, relying on other communities for a lofty services. 00:35:31
Umm, part of this is moving on to being more self-sustaining and everything. Uh, do we still have current partnerships with those 00:35:35
communities and. 00:35:40
Do any of these contracts sunset in the next 8 years? Yeah, sure. I'll take a step of that and your team can fill in any blanks. 00:35:46
So Farm City is currently supplying a portion of, uh, vineyard deployment. Is that that term or that, uh, that contract, that 00:35:51
agreement goes away July 1st. 00:35:57
Yeah, and that's. 00:36:04
Again, that's part of the impetus for in your building, Yes. OK. So that was always intended to be temporary. 00:36:06
How much, how much water is that? Do you have a refrigerant that we're being tied with, uh, more than half of the city's annual 00:36:13
quarter? 00:36:18
Yes, up to 1500 acre feet is being purchased for more. Up to what? Up to 1500 acres feet? 00:36:22
Yeah, yeah. OK. And then, umm, that's, that's the southern half of the city, more or less. And then the northern half is being 00:36:29
served by essentially Utah water, umm. 00:36:34
So the city you know has entered or is entering into a new and expanded agreement with us. 00:36:40
I'm sure Utah water. 00:36:45
Uh, for some additional supply. So, uh, with the Orem agreement. 00:36:47
Ending. 00:36:51
City is gonna start taking more water from central UT. 00:36:52
So wonderful. So when a resident looks at me, I, I get a water bill and I pay City of vineyards. I just want to understand, I'm 00:36:56
knowing where the money is going. 00:37:01
Umm, city of vineyards. Looking at my water meter, this is what my uses. I'm paying the city of Vineyard. 00:37:07
That fee? 00:37:12
Is ultimately what Orem charge. 00:37:13
Charges plus a little bit of a surcharge to go through Vineyard or. 00:37:16
Is it purely just the Orem cost right now? 00:37:22
So you're, So what we do is we have water, uh, supply water and water distribution. So we have, the university does have a wire 00:37:25
distribution portion of it which goes towards maintaining specifically the water. 00:37:30
Umm. 00:37:36
Pipeline systems, that's in place. 00:37:37
And then fortunately has a water supply. So in essence what they do is they will sell the water to their city. 00:37:40
I don't understand, he just has what we know what our uh fees would be in order to do uh, to provide the largest region. 00:37:45
And then so you, uh, for residence gives a single bill. 00:37:52
Or, you know, to cover the cost, the fine, uh, typically, uh, we do have to like call pass through fees and that's. 00:37:55
And what we we distribute that out like for example the. 00:38:02
Umm, that's right. Now I'm just having an impact fees like so when you provide an impact fee for a sewer specifically. 00:38:05
We'll provide to the uh. 00:38:12
Developers and our company. 00:38:14
Uh, the contractor is that one time viewer. It will show up and screw it out, taking this city. 00:38:16
Uh, impact to impact the EF? 00:38:21
And TSSD pass through fee. 00:38:23
Why? And 100% that password you go to, uh, TSSC, that's not something that we, we're obligated to collect and, uh, pass through. 00:38:26
On that one, umm. 00:38:34
Alright, bye. 00:38:36
Great answer your question. Yes it does. Thank you. Umm, it's just better understanding. 00:38:38
Umm, how? It's currently paid for for those that are already in use. 00:38:42
Even though our topic tonight is the impact fees, it helps me to understand the greater picture. 00:38:45
Uh, back to the impact fees, uh. 00:38:50
Significant increase. 00:38:54
Uh, a lot of that's playing catch up. 00:38:55
We have current facilities like the tanks that you mentioned. That's pretty neuro neural on it. Uh. 00:38:58
Uh, that's already developed. 00:39:04
Did the current impact fees? 00:39:06
Pay for those. 00:39:09
Or as part of the reason for all this increase, to make up for something that was more expensive that we weren't necessarily 00:39:10
making the money for? Does that make sense? 00:39:14
He nodded. 00:39:21
Yeah, how the city cash and I'm just curious how much of the increase money is gonna be going towards future purchases and how 00:39:27
much of it is covering ourselves. I can't give you a specific uh. 00:39:33
Uh, by percentages and so forth. Uh, we all have our financial, umm, our financial experts, uh, from Zion's financial, uh, thanks, 00:39:40
uh. 00:39:44
At the City Council meeting, I'm sure she'll be able to provide, uh, that details, that level details, but. 00:39:48
In essence, but in fact these are when we get SFS, we're allowed to and have to try and go back in time. 00:39:53
To, uh, pay back and I pay the city back. 00:39:59
For, uh, improvements that were done due to growth and so forth is the limitation on how far back in time you can go. 00:40:02
I think I'll come around maybe back six years and maybe. 00:40:10
Umm on that umm but. 00:40:13
I wonder when he'll talk about the UMM. 00:40:16
The bond. 00:40:19
Go forth like, uh, got the credit on the bond, so we so the city has to take a nice bond out for the. 00:40:20
A water tank. 00:40:26
Uh project, uh, and the water pipeline project. 00:40:28
In essence, that part of the impact fees is, uh, that. 00:40:30
Dollar amount that you saw like it was broken into several columns and it was like a dollar a month maybe, I can't remember, maybe 00:40:34
$500 ish. OK, that one right there. 00:40:38
Offering bond credit and uh, just as a project credits. I'm bond credit. 00:40:43
Those are how things are going to go. Pay back. 00:40:48
Uh, dollar amount that the city has already spent, uh, for the for. 00:40:51
For improvements based for the developed future, uh, for the future developments in our time, Yeah, So sort of answer, it is both. 00:40:56
Pay for stuff we already got ourselves into. Well also, and I get into the same situation in the future. Exactly. We're getting 00:41:03
ready now, uh. 00:41:08
Uh, with the, uh, time that he spent uh, putting together the, uh, this master plan to impact the analysis and so forth is 00:41:14
actually to be paid. You know, we can our APAC fees have a collective pay again, paid back this time that he's been putting into 00:41:18
those. 00:41:22
OK, so I think that's how it works. 00:41:26
Umm, spending ten years. 00:41:29
Uh, since the last study, umm, I, I noticed on the proposed rates, uh. 00:41:31
That there's gonna be another increase in 2034. 00:41:35
Is that when you anticipate the next study to occur as I don't think it should be another 20 years? 00:41:38
So, uh, the way that we, yeah, the way that we have, uh, the master plans workers and so forth typically, uh. 00:41:44
Uh, translate this man if you purchase it out to uh. 00:41:51
Planetary force for your projected out or on this table, but I think we're good. 00:41:55
With a 50 year projection. 00:42:01
Yeah. So I mean the plan for the master plan itself, we try to look all the way to now. 00:42:03
So I ask you should OK, So they do 50 year projection on the master plan the way that this master, the, uh, the master plan 00:42:08
typically work with recycles typically, I think. 00:42:13
Just the way. 00:42:18
Uh, master plan is updated every 10 years. 00:42:20
Does this impact, uh, the capital facilities plan is updated every five years? 00:42:23
And then the impact fees are updated every year. 00:42:27
Doesn't, but that's just your standards. Couldn't cutter this is how the way it works. 00:42:31
When umm, large development changes. 00:42:35
You know, up, down, sideways, whatever it is. 00:42:38
Or any MA like major changes or you know come up? 00:42:41
Then, uh, that's, that's, that's triggered with a new study. So it's like a, umm, for, excuse me, like for our zoning. 00:42:45
Like, OK, we're going to, we just go ahead and totally rezone the whole city. 00:42:53
To, uh, to have daycare, it was just stay down. 00:42:56
Umm. So we're like, OK, our master plan doesn't make sense anymore. 00:43:01
We need to do another study. 00:43:04
If their growth and, uh, growth and. 00:43:06
Uh, developments and so forth. 00:43:09
Uh, lining up to them, uh, along with with the masterpiece have. 00:43:11
Then typically every 10 years is the cycle for the study. Every five years is the. 00:43:15
A review of their capital facility planning every year. 00:43:20
In check I got check on the impact to make sure that are we are we executing the. 00:43:23
Capital facilities plan the way that we said we would if the answer is yes. 00:43:29
Everything's going smoothly, but now like there's big changes in uh. 00:43:33
The construction industry, uh. 00:43:37
And so forth. Prices are going crazy. Offer drops dramatically down. 00:43:39
That allow that gives us the flexibility to do that. 00:43:43
Perfect. So yeah, every year when we adopt the new fee schedule. 00:43:46
As long as it comes with an update exactly as you mentioned, I think that's perfectly appropriate. 00:43:51
Uh, to make sure we're watching it. 00:43:56
And more importantly, that our community knows that we're watching it. There's a lot of stuff we do that Candy just doesn't know 00:43:58
about and so. 00:44:01
Brag about it and I I'm just here umm I'm just very out here that, uh, although the master plan itself document wasn't was that 00:44:06
was done in 2007. Uh again, I wasn't hearing I, I won't speak specifically to advise you know that's. 00:44:12
The fees were being reviewed and looked at more frequently than since 2007. Uh. 00:44:19
Umm, but typically it follows with a master plan. But. 00:44:24
Uh yeah, the previous engineers. 00:44:28
Review the review the fees and make some adjustments but. 00:44:31
Again, this is being done with the master plan and with an expert like really on our team. 00:44:34
Wonderful. 00:44:39
OK. 00:44:41
Umm. 00:44:42
Wastewater. Everything seems to be a bit more in mind than the water ones. The water is like bigger, like whoa, that's the change. 00:44:45
Uh, wastewater seems to be we're gonna be like everyone else. Shouldn't be too big a deal there. Umm. 00:44:52
Umm, my last question really has just been about this process. 00:44:59
Can you explain what outreach has been done to the development community and contractors? 00:45:03
Regarding impact fees. 00:45:10
Yeah. So kind of stick to that too. Uh, we've, uh. 00:45:13
Met with umm, the main developers specifically. I know that we've had some sit down meetings with uh. 00:45:17
Something developers, uh, uh, specifically the downtown area as well. 00:45:25
Possibly. Umm, so. 00:45:29
Developer in the north side. 00:45:31
Uh, uh, mainly, uh, Mr. Martin, you know, MSI. 00:45:34
Probably have a relationship and copy your name. 00:45:38
Uh, those are the 2 main. The two major ones we sat down at the rate was EVU had some discussions with. 00:45:41
They're a revolving plan. Uh, so evolving plan for the week. 00:45:47
Uh, on terms of that to ensure that. 00:45:52
The umm, uh. 00:45:54
Uh, concerned with information. Never. Ha. We're getting uh. 00:45:57
Umm, was. 00:46:00
Uh, kind of aligned then, uh, from the very beginning. 00:46:02
The planners, uh, you know, they have uh, with the long range plans and also the use of the so forth. 00:46:06
They have this, they, they have those, umm, those plans there. 00:46:12
And we take those as a baseline. 00:46:15
And then we just, and then we go and kind of check on that. Like for example, there are some umm. 00:46:17
Uh, I want to say you need but there's like different types of, uh. 00:46:23
Umm, characterization. Because what's the biggest thing We want to make sure that we're, you know, trying to be as far as possible 00:46:26
across the board. 00:46:30
Uh, it's never 1 basketball. 00:46:33
Uh, type. Uh, type. 00:46:36
Umm, scenario. 00:46:38
And then there's uh. 00:46:40
So you could say like a single family house. 00:46:42
Because it pays pays all the same fees but someone's in the family house might have. 00:46:44
You know 20 acres and someone else's single family house might have less than 1/4 acre for as an example. 00:46:48
Uh, then goes into other users like apartments. 00:46:54
Typically they all try to do the same. I know we met with uh. 00:46:57
Like, uh, the, the new developer, like the downtown development. We've met with them several times since you have a better 00:47:01
understanding of. 00:47:04
How the? 00:47:08
Uh, how their uses are actually going to be? 00:47:10
And work with their engineers to ensure that. 00:47:14
Uh, this, uh, what is being applied is fair for both. 00:47:17
Dinner city as well as revolvers, because at the end of the day. 00:47:21
You know, umm, you know we're not. We don't. 00:47:25
We wanna make sure that this they're the people that people are paying their different share. 00:47:27
Uh, at the end of the day, uh, and then of course. 00:47:32
Encourage, uh, more water conservation. Because at the end of the day. 00:47:34
If there be more, if there umm. 00:47:38
Feeling better with their wire uses. We want to support them, get them credit and. 00:47:41
And, uh, and incentivize them that way to incentivize people is money. 00:47:46
And that helps. That just helps everyone in there today. 00:47:50
Yeah. So is that almost like a? 00:47:53
Checklist of if you're doing these three things that you're reducing your permit fee by so and so where we're gonna raise. 00:47:56
Save the plan review fee or credit card. Like for example, the eruption, maybe we're talking about like an ERU kind of at the 00:48:02
certain development developers who say well are wired, you know, they go, they go through studies and so forth. 00:48:08
Our wire uses are, you know, are not your standard like 1 ERU is actually less than one ERU, but they have to it's more than just 00:48:15
saying hey. 00:48:19
You know ours is gonna be lost. 00:48:25
So we, we work, we work with the engineers and say OK. 00:48:26
Kind of help define certain things. And it's not just, you know, it works. Umm, it's kind of a living document. 00:48:30
Or someone umm. 00:48:35
Comes in and starts. 00:48:36
Providing. 00:48:38
A, uh, pro provider, these are stuff and these are how, how they're, how they can justify what, uh, that they're using less water. 00:48:39
Is actually reflected on the impact of the end of the day we get back that's up. 00:48:48
Uh impacted in onto the infrastructure. Of course they'll see less impact on, uh, less. 00:48:52
Uh, on their operational bills like the wire meter bills or the movie labs? 00:48:57
Uh, uh, will be lost and so forth, but. 00:49:01
Uh, not just not particularly raising fees. 00:49:04
Uh, we have to collect a fee. We can't just waive a fee. 00:49:07
Alright, understood. 00:49:10
Alright, what one of the things, especially since we need to get this thing done in June. 00:49:13
Uh, with the City Council. 00:49:18
Uh, I. 00:49:20
Think spending some time on the City Council presentation to talk about the outreach to the development community itself. 00:49:22
Would be beneficial, uh. 00:49:30
Because as a resident. 00:49:32
Yeah, I don't pay this OK, but in my mind, yeah, all developers are rich, it's fine, they can do it all. But that may not always 00:49:34
be the case. 00:49:38
And so some kind of notice that. 00:49:42
Obviously you notice that outreach to maybe anyone who pulled the building permit in the last five years. Umm. 00:49:46
Uh, uh, to the H. 00:49:52
Some. 00:49:54
Just extra effort that you can show. 00:49:56
Umm, I think would be really important too. OK, that's great. And I, I did, I forgot to ask. Uh, we did have a meeting with HVA 00:49:59
specifically when we were meeting with the park master plan and the empathy's there. 00:50:05
We could have, umm, we also talked about the water and wastewater and we started going through the other packages as well with 00:50:11
them and they gave us their, you know. 00:50:14
We'll contract the feedback. 00:50:19
Good, Alright, you're probably not gonna get a. 00:50:21
Of letterhead that says we love it, but that'd be awesome if you could so OK. 00:50:24
Umm. 00:50:31
Thank you. 00:50:32
Natalie, did you have any other questions? 00:50:33
Yeah, I think that's good. OK, great. And do you have any others? OK. 00:50:36
Thanks. This is a public hearing, so we are going to go ahead and start based on the order of the agenda and the first one is 00:50:40
related to. 00:50:44
Wastewater. 00:50:49
Uh, the master plan and impact fee. 00:50:51
So we'll officially open the public hearing. Are there any members of the public that have any comments? 00:50:53
Regarding wastewater. 00:50:59
Daria Evans, a village resident. I have one question about the TSSC. 00:51:03
Will fees go up? 00:51:09
For residents that are here. 00:51:11
With this new impact. 00:51:14
Coming. 00:51:17
I'm just curious how much our fees will be raised because of this incoming. 00:51:18
Which one? Yeah, all the changes. Yeah. OK. Thank you, Darren. OK, umm, before we address that, is there any other? 00:51:24
Public comment. 00:51:32
Alright, we'll officially close the public hearing when it comes to wastewater and could we please have staff come and address? 00:51:34
When it comes to wastewater. 00:51:42
Yes. 00:51:44
Any utility rate. 00:51:45
If there will either be any already planned? 00:51:48
Changes to the rate or if a study was coming. Yeah. So again, umm. 00:51:51
Within the north system and umm, umm, I'm gonna speak on this, uh, kind of outside, uh, I don't really start charging me for 00:51:58
things that were outside his, uh, to go. 00:52:02
Uh. 00:52:07
I have regard to operational rights. The CFSA does. 00:52:09
Oh, uh, I'm gonna just catch it. More on this side, ma'am, Sorry. 00:52:12
Umm, so if the SSD does umm uh, rate studies? 00:52:16
As well and, uh, and such and. 00:52:20
Umm, so. 00:52:22
The work that we're doing here, specifically on the impact fees and so forth are not affected. 00:52:24
Daily fees and what they would pay the monthly fees. This is specifically on impact kind of what it says we take when they build 00:52:30
their developer. 00:52:34
Uh, or anyone who does who does? 00:52:39
Uh, uh, and extend like it, I mean, it can impact homeowners if they're doing like a big expansion for on their house and they're 00:52:43
like, oh, we're going to be. 00:52:46
Adding a I don't know, like a uh. 00:52:51
Uh, CNC shop now as well and then you're gonna. 00:52:53
Uh, increase in our industrial, uh. 00:52:56
Umm umm. 00:52:59
Discharge into the into the wastewater. 00:53:01
Then that's when the homeowners might see like 50 come up. 00:53:04
Umm. But this, what this does is uh. 00:53:07
So, you know, we, we provide like here's the impact from bigger city, here's the here's what the SSD does. TSSC also does their 00:53:11
own impact fee. 00:53:15
Uh, studies and assessments. They give us notes. 00:53:18
Usually about 30 days prior to increases. 00:53:21
Umm. And uh, as fingers say, what we did is we. 00:53:23
Uh, they gave us the, they gave us a calculation to calculate the TSSD. Oftentimes we have TSSC review to make sure culture for 00:53:27
them. 00:53:31
Umm, the only thing we do is we charge the university charges additional. 00:53:35
10% advocacy with a cap up to a certain dollar amount $3000. 00:53:39
You know, $3500. We just cap our advocacy because we do put a lot of work into it and. 00:53:43
And we want to say stock to be confused for that. 00:53:47
Umm for that work as well. 00:53:51
Uh, and then we just pass it off to uh. 00:53:53
Then we just passed it off to to the developer, uh, so forth. 00:53:55
The, uh, your monthly fees. 00:53:59
They'll you know, you know, increases, decreases, so forth. It comes on different types of great study. 00:54:02
I will, I will say that umm, now that we've done finalizing this. 00:54:08
Umm, fantastic, excuse me, fantastic study for both lawyers to work in the city is going to. 00:54:13
Umm, run. We run an analysis for our weight study for our water here as well, because. 00:54:21
Like we said before, is part of the. 00:54:27
Umm, part of the improvement is. 00:54:30
Paid off. In fact, these are the part of the improvements is paid paid off rate studies or if you need rate fees. 00:54:33
And. 00:54:38
With this, this gives us the justification to say. 00:54:39
There's been a change to the collection premium tax fees. 00:54:42
How does that impact or how does that change the rate? 00:54:47
They like these, you know, I do the out of it. I would say there's weather. 00:54:50
You might have to go up, have to go down, or stay the same. 00:54:54
We want to ensure that before, uh. 00:54:57
Found the calendar year typically when we when we raise or excuse me adjust rates OK that. 00:54:59
We want to show you intelligence. 00:55:04
To ensure that what's being charged to the residence is there. 00:55:06
It's, you know, we're not collecting too much, we're not collecting too little. We're just collecting what we need to collect. 00:55:09
OK. Does that answer your question? Thank you. 00:55:14
Alright. 00:55:19
Uh, with that being said, there's no further comments or questions. 00:55:20
Uh, what we are being asked this evening is to recommend approval, denial or modified approval. 00:55:25
Uh, for the wastewater master plan and impact the facility plan and impact the analysis. 00:55:32
Uh, and forward them to the City Council for adoption. We're not the ones adopting, we are simply offering a recommendation. 00:55:38
So do I have a motion from either of you? 00:55:45
I do move to recommend approval of the wastewater master plan, the impact fees. So that's all together. Can you do it all together 00:55:52
or just that one? Yeah, no, that's all together. OK. In fact, he's still planning to impact the analysis as presented for it too. 00:55:59
The City Council board option. 00:56:05
OK. 00:56:07
Second, second. All right, all in favor. 00:56:09
All right in post. 00:56:12
None. OK, so that is. 00:56:14
Moving on unanimously. 00:56:17
Umm, but just to hope that our our comments and suggestions are also carried on for the City Council presentation. 00:56:20
Alright, We're now moving on to the next item, which is the water master plan, master plan, impact fee, facilities plan and impact 00:56:27
fee analysis. 00:56:31
We will open up that public hearing now. 00:56:37
Is there any member of the public ask questions about water? 00:56:41
Hey, how are you? 00:56:44
I don't know. 00:56:46
Sorry at Evans again, I just have one question. Umm to be more self-sustaining? Will we be driving more well? 00:56:48
OK. All right. Thank you. Uh. 00:56:58
Are there any other members of the public that have a question about what? 00:57:01
Or a comment. 00:57:05
Facing them, We're officially closing the public hearing. 00:57:07
Uh, staff, could you weigh in on the future plan or lack thereof to drill more wells? OK, Umm, so, uh. 00:57:10
Uh, kind of going on their basis that I, I, I typically ask the question more and there's probably a long way longer answer in 00:57:19
primary 3, The stronger answer, the new answer is umm. 00:57:24
No, the long term answer is that, uh, the inner city is actually is parking with a uh, consultant. Umm. 00:57:30
Uh, half hours actually, uh. 00:57:37
Uh, for water rights, for, uh, for our water rights portfolio, uh. 00:57:40
The person who? 00:57:44
I would love to bring her here to talk about Falnda, to talk about water rights, uh. 00:57:45
Not only is she passionate, but she probably, she's, uh, she's very smart about work. 00:57:50
As well, uh, to. 00:57:56
One go to our water rights portfolio insurance, we have uh, our, our, our records probably up against profit documents share for 00:57:57
etcetera. 00:58:02
As well as kind of thinking out for more water ice cream. 00:58:07
Uh, not only, uh, from other sources. 00:58:11
Uh, like from like like either like on canal, the Provo River? 00:58:13
Umm, as well as potentially the water right being able to secure water right through. 00:58:17
Typically with your wealth. 00:58:23
Uh, there, that's kind of where the irrigation, uh, the different wire versus irrigation wire kind of plays in. 00:58:25
Uh, goes into, uh, body, water, etcetera, etcetera. 00:58:32
And if that's something that we can coordinate wire, we definitely would. If it's something that we can only use for irrigation, 00:58:35
we would use that. Uh, we utilize that. 00:58:40
Uh, my understanding is uh, majority like junior series. 00:58:44
Uh, the wire rights within this within your city, uh, majority of it all this has already been purchased out by. 00:58:48
Umm, Central Utah Water Central District, uh, uh, decades ago. 00:58:54
As well. So, but uh. 00:58:59
Short answer, no longer answers. 00:59:02
Always looking for, uh, options and off, uh, sources and opportunities to ensure that we are sustaining our. 00:59:04
Our water to include uh. 00:59:10
Developers who secure water rights elsewhere and bring in the water rights, uh, changing it over to municipal water rights. 00:59:12
Where those water rights are secured, umm. 00:59:19
They have more protections than. 00:59:21
Uh, private owners. 00:59:24
As well, uh, and to ensure that venerates, uh, staying secure. 00:59:26
That's all. OK. OK. Thank you for that. 00:59:30
Umm, before we entertain a motion, is there any questions or further discussion about life? I actually do have a message. Umm, are 00:59:34
we moving away from the Orem water contract because it's. 00:59:39
Umm, their decision to expire in that contract with us. 00:59:44
Or are we moving away because it's more cost effective or better to get this information? So, and that's what we're doing is we're 00:59:49
warm water, umm. 00:59:52
We're TR. It's been. It was always meant to be a temporary solution. 00:59:56
Uh, and what we're doing is we're transferring the. 01:00:01
Umm, well, we know. 01:00:03
Think we are transferring that 1500 about roughly 1500 acre feet of water. 01:00:06
From Orange City. 01:00:13
Umm to central Utah water To central Utah water become more of a sole source. 01:00:14
Supplier. Wholesaler. 01:00:19
For, uh, for. 01:00:21
Why is that beneficial for us? 01:00:23
Uh, it's beneficial. Uh, multiple reasons. I would say that's one we're utilizing our water tank. So again, our wire, our water 01:00:26
tank is located. 01:00:30
Uh, on the north side of town, Central Utah water polishing plant and supply smokers live are located in the north side of town, 01:00:34
so it's more direct. 01:00:38
That makes sense. Uh, we're off. We're, we're, we, we retain our partnerships. We don't say we're actually in the. 01:00:43
Uh, discussions on trade to ensure that we have emergency. 01:00:49
Uh, wire connections, uh, where we're looking at for the wire scenarios. 01:00:52
On that, umm, but we're not as in fact, uh. 01:00:57
Canceling their California, uh, canceling agreements in place that wasn't anticipated to be, uh, that's fine. 01:01:01
Thank you. 01:01:07
Yeah, I I in general, umm, my only comment. 01:01:09
With that is, I think any opportunity that the city has to do it themselves rather than needing to rely on someone else, 01:01:13
especially for such an essential service. 01:01:18
Uh, such as water, umm, is something we should consider, uh, because you're always. 01:01:23
One petty policy maker away people and so as much as you can control yourself. 01:01:28
We do as as is responsible. 01:01:35
Mm-hmm. OK. Do you have anything? 01:01:38
Pardon. OK. 01:01:41
Does anyone want to make a motion? 01:01:42
I know that's great. And then to recommend approval of the water Master plan, the impact fee. 01:01:44
Facilities plan and the impact the analysis as presented and forward them to City Council code options. Wonderful. Do we have a 01:01:49
second second all in favor? 01:01:54
Hi. Hi. 01:01:58
Alright. 01:01:59
Moved on unanimously for the City Council to vote on. 01:02:00
So great. Thank you so much. 01:02:04
Let's move on to item 5. 01:02:06
5.4. 01:02:08
Which is a site plan application for the Vineyard Gateway phase. 01:02:11
Alright, just one second and change it clear right here. 01:02:15
Umm, little instruction. Uh, this is the site plan that was, uh, completed by Rachel Stevens, our, our planner that works remote 01:02:22
and she's not able to join us tonight, so I'll just be running through the review with you guys. 01:02:27
Also, don't see the applicant here today. Umm, but oh, you're with. 01:02:32
Uh, Pruitt. 01:02:37
Oh, I'm sorry, you're with the. Yeah, that's what I thought. Yep. So. 01:02:38
This one shouldn't be too long I imagine. 01:02:43
Just to give you an idea, this is the lot here, the Wendy's that we just developed with phase one, I think, or something like 01:02:45
that, maybe whatever. 01:02:49
This would be the lot just to the north of it. It's actually the same lot, so. 01:02:53
Building directly to the north of this Wendy's. 01:02:57
Umm, it's located within the, the Army Regional Misuse Zone, umm, and they're planning a retail building which is a permitted use 01:03:00
in that zone. 01:03:04
Free health sales and services. Umm. 01:03:09
They're proposing an 8500 square foot building. Umm. 01:03:12
Final issues with setbacks or landscaping. 01:03:16
Uh, their parking calculations, they were required to do 34 to provide 54. 01:03:18
Umm, and then bike parking. They're required to put in three and it's. 01:03:23
A problem for. 01:03:27
So here is that site plan. 01:03:29
Umm, as you can see, it's a pretty traditional, just kind of script model type retail building with a drive through, uh. 01:03:32
Yes, drive access to the back. 01:03:38
River landscape start kind of flips on you there. 01:03:44
Umm. And as you can see, there are landscaping that. 01:03:48
Area between the the parking lot and Engineering Rd. as well as landscaping throughout the parking. 01:03:51
Pressure, elevation. If they look familiar, they're essentially building a a copy of the building that's currently on the corner 01:03:59
of Geneva and Mill. 01:04:03
Umm, so. 01:04:07
Multiple. 01:04:10
Yeah. 01:04:10
So yeah, as, as we review this through our DRC, we found really no issues except for umm, the only thing that was the parking 01:04:16
stalls. We're all measuring at 18 feet in length and we are requesting that they increase us to 20 feet in length, which. 01:04:23
There's plenty of room on the site just to make that happen. 01:04:30
So with that I can entertain any questions. 01:04:33
Umm, 2 quick questions. 01:04:40
Drive access on the back? That seems to just be an alley, uh. 01:04:42
Uh, is there an sufficient room on that back alley for truck deliveries or such or do not anticipate these being the type of? 01:04:46
Businesses that need deliveries. 01:04:56
Let me pull this up. 01:04:58
And see if she provided if you have a measurement there, but I can leave. 01:05:00
I'm guessing it's about 20 feet if it's drawn to scale with the parking. 01:05:05
Yeah, it might be just sign that, umm. 01:05:12
OK. 01:05:15
So they didn't really speak to as if that's where they're planning on having their, their deliveries made to, uh. 01:05:16
But they do have. 01:05:23
Uh, it looks like they do have doors at the back there. 01:05:25
So there's that central for that to happen. 01:05:28
I imagine that's more for fire code than anything else. It's just an, you know, Patrick, Umm. 01:05:30
And I I thought somebody had mentioned that it was more like a drive through type situation. 01:05:35
Umm, or, or an option for drive through, but that would not be in uh, higher access. Uh, then the fire department wouldn't, 01:05:41
wouldn't need. When I meant fire, I meant the back doors just as a second exit out of it. Umm, no, I, I was with Patrick. I 01:05:47
actually did an initial review on this like a year ago and then they pulled the application and back then they actually did have 01:05:53
the theme of drive through with the end cap. Yeah, with the end cap, but it looks like they, they don't miss that. So that's why 01:05:59
earlier I, I mentioned. 01:06:05
Just remove it so. 01:06:11
Umm, uh, potentially in the, in the future they, they could do something like that. They'd have to come back through with like a, 01:06:13
uh, site plan amendment initially, umm, application. 01:06:17
Umm. But yeah, the these elevations. 01:06:21
So there's no directly there. I thought that it's a deal breaker one way or the other for me. I was just curious because it didn't 01:06:24
seem wide enough. 01:06:27
To B for truck uh. 01:06:31
And it certainly. 01:06:33
Narrow only for one vehicle. 01:06:35
Umm. And if that's the case, it could potentially block the road if it actually has the intended use. One vehicle would block it 01:06:39
so. 01:06:42
OK. 01:06:47
Uh, if we do go to requiring 20 feet, is that a 20 foot wide? 01:06:48
Uh, stall for all of the parking spots, uh, 20 feet in length. 01:06:55
In length, Yeah, Wonderful. That's right. 01:07:00
Yeah, OK. 01:07:03
I was gonna say, would that affect the total number? Our code does allow 18 foot length. 01:07:05
If they have two feet of overrun and maintain a yacht access for sidewalk in front of them or landscaping, umm, as you can see 01:07:11
here, there's none of those do that. So essentially they're just gonna have to shift the whole site, all of the parking just a 01:07:15
little, a little bit to accommodate. 01:07:20
A few extra feet of parking, OK. 01:07:24
Here we go, I don't have any other questions. 01:07:27
By the way, what is the width? 01:07:30
Uh, I believe he's in 19. That's the minimum. 01:07:32
Any questions? 01:07:39
Most of the book. 01:07:40
OK. 01:07:43
Umm, even though it is not a public hearing, I feel like I'm gonna ask if there's any members of the public that have any comments 01:07:45
on this. 01:07:49
They're in none, so we won't even open the public hearing. 01:07:54
Uh, we'll go ahead then and move on to a motion. 01:07:57
Umm, OK, I'll make some motion. I move to approve the Vineyard Gateway Phase 2B site plan. 01:08:01
With the conditions presented by staff in the staff report. 01:08:08
I second OK all in favor. 01:08:13
All right. And it passes unanimously. 01:08:15
All right. 01:08:19
Now move on to our next item, which is. 01:08:20
Item 5.5. 01:08:25
Uh, my question is, 5.6 seems awfully similar. Will both of those be addressed in the same presentation? 01:08:28
Yes, Sir. All right, let's do it. 01:08:35
So what we'll do is we'll hear the one presentation and then we'll have that. 01:08:50
Hi, my name is Anthony Fletcher and umm I will be presenting on. 01:08:55
Umm. 01:09:00
The spring water and uh. 01:09:03
The RMYSA third stake. 01:09:05
Pipeline and conditional use permit. 01:09:08
So just to give a context, the church, umm. 01:09:12
Owns this land on. 01:09:16
575 S. 01:09:19
And, umm. 01:09:21
They decided to. 01:09:22
Have two applications. 01:09:26
Sorry. In fact, I have two applications to break up the church because I mean to break to break it up because they're bringing in 01:09:31
two, two church buildings. 01:09:36
One being the spring water which is intended to. 01:09:41
UMM serve the local residents in the area. 01:09:45
And the other being. 01:09:48
Uh, one that would, uh, serve young single adults. 01:09:50
And that is a double Chapel, so that's much bigger. 01:09:55
So that's the, uh, the lot right there. It was one a single lot. 01:09:57
We plotted that to umm. 01:10:02
Have two separate lots to house both buildings. 01:10:05
Umm, it was about 99, uh .5 acres combined. 01:10:08
And, umm. 01:10:13
The platting also did. 01:10:15
Umm, include an extra foot on the sound part of the. 01:10:17
The southern part of the lot to allow for a much bigger. 01:10:21
Part strip in the future, I mean, while we build out. 01:10:26
And also umm. 01:10:30
Some utility easements. 01:10:31
So, umm. 01:10:36
By location, the zoning in those, uh, in these lots. 01:10:38
Happened to fall in two different areas of season. 01:10:43
And one happens to be the RC, which is the original commercial and the other? 01:10:46
Umm, one happened to be in both RC and. 01:10:51
R and A, which is the regional, uh, the residential and agriculture, uh. 01:10:55
Zone and original commercial which is this one? 01:11:00
Both and umm. 01:11:04
The the West side falls on the RNA only. 01:11:07
Now the original commercial is an already permitted use, however, on the residential and agriculture. 01:11:12
Umm, zone? It needs or requires A conditional use permit. 01:11:20
So. 01:11:28
I will be referring to. 01:11:29
The building on the east. 01:11:31
Which is known as the Spring Water Building. 01:11:34
As we move along and the one on the West as the YSA. 01:11:37
So before you're not confused. 01:11:40
Uh, the lock for the spring water is gonna be about. 01:11:42
3 point, uh, six acres and umm. 01:11:45
The building itself is intended to be about 18,000 square feet, with a storage building on the north side of it being. 01:11:48
UH-244 square feet. 01:11:56
Setbacks were. 01:12:00
You know, we're all in line with what we require as a city. 01:12:02
Uh, with the landscaping they did provide actually more than we require. We require about 20% of the lot. 01:12:05
They did require umm, provide 35.8. 01:12:12
Percent for the spring water. 01:12:15
And for parking, umm. 01:12:16
They provided 245 parking stalls. 01:12:19
Uh, would a minimum requirement be in 66? 01:12:24
4 ADA sells being UMM, they're providing 8 with a minimum requirement being 7 for this number of lots coming stalls and with the 01:12:27
bike parking as well, they're provided 8 which is the one extra with a minimum requirement being 7. 01:12:35
In a similar situation we have the YSA having about 5, umm, almost 6 acres. 01:12:45
Uh, land and. 01:12:51
Almost double. 01:12:53
The size of building, which is about 33, uh, thousand square feet. 01:12:54
And the same size of storage, uh, building. 01:12:59
They need the FedEx. 01:13:02
Landscaping was also over by about a you know, a percentage and 1/2. 01:13:04
Umm. 01:13:10
Parkin was. 01:13:11
UMM over provided as well. They did UMM provide 425 parking stalls. What was required for that size a lot was 126. 01:13:14
Ada, you provided what was required. 01:13:25
Bike stalls are provided one extra. 01:13:27
13 required, 14 was provided. 01:13:32
So here are the five plans, just to give you context. 01:13:35
Umm, this shows both the spring water and also the. 01:13:38
Why I say this is gonna be the YSA as you can see my cursor on the left side. 01:13:44
And umm, the spring water on this side. 01:13:48
Umm. 01:13:52
And up close this shows the. 01:13:56
Spring water side side plan with all those details that I initially mentioned. 01:14:00
And that is going to be to the West side, which is the YSA. 01:14:05
Landscaping plan. 01:14:10
Uh, we did work with them extensively to ensure that we have. 01:14:11
Good coverage as is required by the the code. 01:14:16
Uh, we had our city arborist. 01:14:20
Review this and he was excited about it. 01:14:22
Umm, from the planner's perspective, they met all the, uh, requirements. 01:14:25
The city avarice was excited about the plant selection. Everything that they have on here for plans to, you know, trees. 01:14:29
Uh, scrub. Umm. 01:14:37
Where? 01:14:39
You know plans are permitted by the Vineyard, Umm. 01:14:40
Free manual SO. 01:14:45
And we also did work with them looking at the overall umm site plan we did work with them to have. 01:14:48
Most of our the crossings be more direct and also have, you know, more direct directional, uh, ramps than. 01:14:53
Just regular apex. 01:15:02
Other ramps that may not be as suitable for uh people with disabilities. 01:15:04
That is focused on spring water. 01:15:12
And that's, uh. 01:15:15
Landscaping. Focus on the uh. 01:15:17
Here are some elevations. 01:15:21
The the building. 01:15:23
So this is gonna be for the spring water? 01:15:27
We have a SE and West in color. 01:15:29
Umm, the building height maximum was. 01:15:32
Intended to, I mean, I couldn't what what we require by city is UH-35 feet. 01:15:36
We'll go to the height. 01:15:41
UMM of the highest roof line is 29.1 for spring water. 01:15:43
For the people, there's no limit. 01:15:48
According to our code. 01:15:52
There was no color, uh. 01:15:55
Color engine for the North. Umm, elevation. So there it is. 01:15:57
We saw other renderings just to give you an idea of how it's gonna look. 01:16:03
Beautiful. 01:16:07
Now to the YSA rent, uh, elevations. 01:16:09
Also, I haven't colored the north-south, and West, uh, elevations. 01:16:13
Same building. Umm. 01:16:17
Height maximum 35. 01:16:20
The building height for that one is much bigger. Church for 32. 01:16:22
Umm, feet high. The steeple again was about 71 with no umm. 01:16:26
Re required limit No limit on the requirements. 01:16:32
And the height and that's the. 01:16:35
East elevation not in color. 01:16:38
You have some other renderings of the YSA, yes? 01:16:41
Let you know how beautiful it's gonna look. 01:16:45
So conditions of approval. 01:16:49
Umm, after we reviewed all the plans, uh, going back and forth with applicants. 01:16:51
Umm, we have come up with these conditions, umm. 01:16:56
Of approval, which would be that they pay off standard fees. 01:17:00
Uh, which is standard. 01:17:04
And that they also pay, umm, you know. 01:17:05
Uh, state and local. I mean they are subject to federal, state and local laws. 01:17:09
Would explain during our review that they had some tax issues and we have. 01:17:13
We have asked them to sort it out with accounting. 01:17:18
And that is a requirement to allow them to, uh, to record the plants that we work with them on that has been approved from the 01:17:20
City side. 01:17:24
But it would not be recorded. 01:17:28
Until they have sorted all the tax issues and. 01:17:31
Then they can record it and also apply for billing permit. 01:17:35
So that is the requirement. 01:17:39
Then then they shut it all out. 01:17:40
Now, due to the many changes that we had back and forth. 01:17:42
There's been different iterations of the plan and we, uh, have asked them to if there are no other comments from you. 01:17:46
That need change. We have asked them to update all the plan sheets. 01:17:53
So they're consistent, have the, you know, the right. 01:17:57
Umm, uh. 01:18:01
Pedestrian crossings as they're supposed to be. 01:18:03
All the the various dimensions that we had them changed on. 01:18:06
Different parts of the site plan. 01:18:11
Would be updated to make sure there's some consistency. 01:18:13
Even before they move on to the billing, uh, billing permit phase. So that is gonna be a condition that we require them to do. 01:18:17
Staff UMM recommends approval of this. 01:18:26
Site plan and conditional use permit. 01:18:29
To the Planning Commission. 01:18:33
No, no. If there are no question, no questions or if you have any questions before you go on, OK, great. 01:18:35
Let's start with your question. Thanks. 01:18:44
Umm as a vital 123? Why would they have tax? 01:18:46
Issues. Is that just safe in the land? 01:18:50
Yes, this was land by purchasing the land, yeah. So it's an issue that type to title and so we just need to clear the title. 01:18:52
Permits can be pulled, yes. 01:18:57
Yeah, that's interesting. Umm, do we know why there was? 01:19:02
Umm, like a departure from the design? 01:19:06
And for the. 01:19:09
The building interest Flowers just recently built or the one that was just finished like in the Hamptons? 01:19:11
Like what? The design is so different. 01:19:18
Umm, honestly, I am not sure why they made such a decision, but I have the applicant here. His name is Mike Davies. If you have an 01:19:21
answer to that, could you kindly state your name and uh, provide us with some feedback? 01:19:28
Mike Davis with the HD Architects representative. Search a few special entertains. 01:19:36
I'm not familiar with the building in the Hamptons. Umm. 01:19:40
Umm. I'm making an assumption, I think. Uh. 01:19:43
In order to. 01:19:47
Fit in in more in a residential neighborhood with the one in New Hampshire. Oh wait this is the one that Hampton was done OK we 01:19:48
did do that one sorry I just didn't know that happened The Hampton did really a little bit so yeah we uh. 01:19:55
So the Hamptons has umm siding. It has Hardy board. It has stone. 01:20:02
Uh, it is different than umm, there was three of those that were done all at the same time. There's one in Lehigh and Eagle 01:20:08
Mountain in pantyhose, umm. 01:20:11
Umm, and so those were done as a pilot project to. 01:20:15
Do a little bit of cost saving measures, uh, and not do all bricks, but do something that more fit into the neighborhood. 01:20:18
Umm. And so I'm not sure if we'll see more of those. I don't. 01:20:25
See that in the near future, but. 01:20:28
I think it looks great. It matched the neighborhood, uh. 01:20:30
Umm tied right into that that designer style, but. 01:20:33
Umm, I don't think the church will be doing that in the near future. 01:20:36
OK, that's helpful. I'm just curious bear with like a if there was going to be a design team for venue or if it was gonna be each 01:20:40
one's unique or if it's more likely that other buildings in the future would look like this one because more going staying with 01:20:46
the brick and the stone just for. 01:20:52
I think long term, uh, long term maintenance. 01:20:58
Next will be better. 01:21:01
OK. Those are my questions. Thank you. OK. 01:21:05
Umm, do you have any questions for me? 01:21:07
Well, as far as parking. 01:21:10
Uh, it sounds so great that we're. 01:21:13
You know 4 accidents, 3 1/2 action that the person needs. 01:21:17
But who? Who determined the parking 126 on the YSA building? Why is that there and after we're doing 425? 01:21:20
Yeah, well, I'll take care. 01:21:33
So, umm. 01:21:36
According to the Vineyard UH zoning code, the parking calculation is. 01:21:37
The number of seats that you have in the Chapel. 01:21:42
Divided by 4. 01:21:46
Gives you the parking, uh, requirements. 01:21:48
So. 01:21:50
Umm, that's what came about with those numbers. So for the, for the. 01:21:51
Spring, Spring Washington, Spring Water. 01:21:57
The requirements was about 67. 01:21:59
Because they only had about FIF. 01:22:02
255 seats available. 01:22:04
But they oversupplied. 01:22:08
The parking. 01:22:11
As usual. 01:22:13
OK. 01:22:15
I would hope it's oversupplied because we've all been in buildings somewhere to this. 01:22:16
And. 01:22:22
It's hard to define, but the total number of seats are. 01:22:23
Umm, I'm sorry to use typical LDS vernacular, but is this award conference? Is it a state conferences, The fireside? Are we using 01:22:27
the overflow? Are we gonna be using chairs? Umm. 01:22:32
Umm on these queues. 01:22:37
How you define the number of seats there? What's the typical size of? 01:22:39
A parishioner's waist. You know how? How do you make? 01:22:44
Determination. I am glad it's over parked. I do. 01:22:47
I hope it's enough. 01:22:54
The last time it was here, we did make a request. 01:22:56
To have some kind of study or consideration done on what overflow would be. So let's say we have a visiting authority who comes 01:22:59
and it's a very special event and multiple states are coming to attend this. 01:23:06
Where would overflow parking be directed? 01:23:14
Are those items that I think are applicable for a conditional use permit and so that would really only apply to the YSA? 01:23:18
Steak site plan, umm, the spring water one not as much. I don't actually have as many concerns about that one. Umm, that was my 01:23:28
only concern, umm. 01:23:32
And you can tell me if it isn't that big a deal because those are the kind of things that happen so. 01:23:37
Like there are two buildings, so the. 01:23:43
Couldn't be used at the same time. 01:23:47
No. So like if there's a special event right where all that parking was used? 01:23:50
I don't know if you want to speak to that, if that's been considered or if that's why you went above and beyond because you feel 01:23:57
comfortable that this is not. Yeah. And and that's, that's one reason why we went above and beyond is to plan for that special 01:24:01
occasion to visit the authority. 01:24:05
And in that case, we have both parking lots to spill into. 01:24:10
Umm, we also have the flexibility of saying, OK, only these states can attend. 01:24:14
Based on this capacity of parking. 01:24:18
Umm, so we wouldn't purposely invite more people and they could sit in the parking lot? 01:24:21
Didn't grow up in Utah. I grew up in Southern California and I remember whenever we'd have a special event, we'd have volunteers 01:24:26
to have to direct traffic. 01:24:30
Where we say parking, you gotta go here and we break so many coats now looking back saying sleep. 01:24:35
Double parking area, Uh, but I would imagine it'd just be the responsibility of the various states to ensure the parking doesn't 01:24:42
become a new service today. Is that correct? That that's a big deal for the church because we don't want to be that neighbor, this 01:24:48
parking on everybody's front yards. And, uh, if I can reject, uh, uh, if you have the advantage of being, uh. 01:24:54
OK. Adjacent to the school in elementary, just north of it. 01:25:01
I'm sure that the first case, uh. 01:25:05
Is that possible to come down? 01:25:08
Uh partner with the school to uh turn to uh, uh, for uh, overflow parking. 01:25:10
And maybe, uh, you know, even 30 days between the the properties. 01:25:15
Perfect. Uh, so you're on record saying state conference is the equivalent of an apocalypse? 01:25:20
There's some of them. They agree with you, Yeah. 01:25:24
Let me know. I mean, I'm also available to, uh, our, uh, you know, to look at more people from sales people for small fee, small 01:25:29
fee. 01:25:32
No. Wonderful. OK. 01:25:36
Umm, thank you, I appreciate that. Umm. 01:25:39
The fact that this. 01:25:42
The the law is getting subdivided. Umm. 01:25:44
Can I ask, was that a request by the applicant or was that something staff encouraged to subdivide it into two months? 01:25:47
Staff umm encouraged to divide it into two lots. Can I ask why? 01:25:58
Umm, they wanted to have two addresses and umm. 01:26:03
During the planning process, we just thought it would be easier that way, OK. 01:26:08
Excellent. Umm, could you go back to the slide that showed? 01:26:12
The parking and bike rack availability, uh. 01:26:17
First with the YSA building. 01:26:21
Thank you. 01:26:26
So this one here says bike parking. 14 stalls provided. 01:26:28
7 racks and 13 are required. Uh, can you please go into more detail on how you determine what? 01:26:33
What the formula is for the required number of bike racks? 01:26:41
So the formula is supposed to be a minimum of 10% of the required parking. 01:26:47
Uh, provided. 01:26:53
And, umm. 01:26:54
Oh re required. So that's the calculation that gives them. 01:26:56
The number that they need to. Usually when we're working with them, we. 01:27:01
We try through a conversation to our discussions to say hey, if you can. 01:27:05
Provide as many. 01:27:10
Uh, bike parking as much as you're doing for cars because, umm, in this case with the YSA, you have young single adults and. 01:27:11
A lot of them, you know, we know in this area would like to. 01:27:19
We're all on some kind of a bike or. 01:27:22
Or umm, you know, micro, umm, ability device? Sure. 01:27:25
So we we do encourage you to add more. 01:27:31
Uh, unfortunately we didn't have a lot more added. We only had one added for each one. 01:27:34
So, umm. 01:27:38
The 14 stores because each each rack gives you the chance to lock 2 bikes. 01:27:40
So on either side. 01:27:45
OK, Thank you. And so because of the calculation on how many seats there are. 01:27:47
Based purely on the pews, not necessarily how many folding chairs are showing up on the basketball court. 01:27:53
We determined 126 parking stalls are required. 10% of that is 12.6. You rounded up you require 13. 01:28:01
3014, I wanna make sure that's everything. Yeah, wonderful. 01:28:10
I am grateful that you went up to 14. 01:28:15
I think that is good. I'd always love to see more. 01:28:18
It is beyond our scope of authority to force to do more. 01:28:21
Uh, but. 01:28:26
If you could do a bulk order rack and install a second one. 01:28:27
Uh, that I would appreciate that only because I'm seeing how often. 01:28:32
It is used in other locations. 01:28:38
And so if there's any opportunity for additional bike parking, uh. 01:28:41
I would appreciate it. And during the process, we always encourage them. So thank you. Thank you for bringing it up too. 01:28:45
Thank you. Uh. 01:28:52
Same if you could look at the other building. There we go, exact same comment. 01:28:58
So thank you. 01:29:04
Uh, the same materials are being used at both buildings. 01:29:06
When it turns the outside materials OK. 01:29:10
Uh, yeah. That's just a matter of taste. One or another. I I like the uniformity, so I think that's fine. 01:29:17
OK. 01:29:24
Those are my only comments. If either of you have any more, I'm sorry, I'm so. 01:29:25
No, OK. 01:29:31
What? 01:29:33
I'd I'd like to see what, umm, members of the public would have to say. 01:29:34
Umm. So are there any comments or questions? 01:29:39
About this development at all from members of the public. 01:29:42
OK. 01:29:46
Seeing none other than. 01:29:47
Sign language thumbs up. 01:29:49
Uh, we'll go ahead and move to item, which is 5.5 and entertain a motion that 5.5, remember is the YSA building. 01:29:51
And this motion includes the conditional use permit one. 01:30:02
And I have the sample motion up here for you. 01:30:06
Perfect. 01:30:12
I move to approve the application Plan 24-0121, the YSI LDS Church Meeting Health Site Plan and Conditional Use Permit with the 01:30:15
following conditions. 01:30:19
The applicant pays and the authenticity to make breadline corrections. The applicant is subject to all federal, state and local 01:30:24
laws and the applicant settles all tax related issues with Utah. 01:30:29
County and the accidental plan chief for the project to reflect all the updates made such as pedestrian crossings, etcetera, the 01:30:35
consistency. 01:30:38
In the approval plan. Wonderful. 01:30:42
Do you have a second? 01:30:45
Second. All right, all in favor, Say aye, aye. Any opposed? 01:30:47
Right, that passes unanimously. 01:30:51
And then we'll move on to. 01:30:53
Our next item which I just went out of, so it's 5.5. 01:30:55
OK, OK. 01:31:03
There we go. Thanks. Thank you. Yeah, one time too many. 01:31:05
Umm, so do we have a motion for this one? 01:31:10
Hi. Uh, yes, I will. 01:31:14
Umm. 01:31:19
Your energy drive here. Yes, I move to approve the application plan. 01:31:21
24-01. 01:31:26
27 The Spring Water LDS Church Median House site plan and conditional use permit with the following conditions. 01:31:29
The applicant pays any outstanding fees and makes any red line corrections. 01:31:37
The applicant is subject to all federal, state and local laws. 01:31:42
The applicant settles all tax related issues with detox. 01:31:47
The applicant shall update. 01:31:51
All sheets. 01:31:53
For the project to reflect. 01:31:55
All the updates made such as pedestrian crossings. 01:31:57
Etcetera for consistency in the approved. 01:32:01
All right, we have a second. 01:32:05
A second all in favor, Aye, All right. Passes unanimously. Thank you. 01:32:08
I just wanna say I'm very grateful that the church is too stressed about it. I think they're great neighbors in our community and 01:32:13
these are great additions. 01:32:17
And I could tell that. 01:32:21
Caring about. 01:32:23
What impact is made to the community is evident in the application material. So thank you and please pass along our thanks. 01:32:25
Thank you very much. 01:32:33
All right. 01:32:36
You all good, Keep going. 01:32:39
I'm sure it's 10 bonds at home saying we'll cover this at the next one. OK, so. 01:32:42
5.7. 01:32:47
Umm, 5.8 and 5.9 seem related. Are they three separate presentations? Yeah, I I think for the sake of. 01:32:49
I I guess the questioning it might be best to bring them. I have one presentation but I have split up. 01:32:59
OK, so I'm happy to go through the presentation for each one and then do questions. I think that's what we'll do. We'll go ahead, 01:33:04
do the presentation questions, vote. OK, then move on to the next one, one by one by one. Perfect. Thank you. So yeah, the first 01:33:10
one is for the the Racquet Club. Uh, it's located in in block for the downtown block 4D. Here is the grocery store fellas, that 01:33:16
that's well underway in construction. 01:33:22
Umm, just give you a reference right off the Main Street here. 01:33:28
Here's the site plan for this. When we did the zoning text with, uh, you talked to the last Planning Commission. 01:33:32
Umm, we went through to allow this type of use in this area and so that's now what what we're seeing here. 01:33:37
Umm and it consists of 6 pedal. 01:33:43
Two or six pickleball courts, 2 tennis courts, and one basketball court. 01:33:46
Umm, they're providing 103 parking stalls. 01:33:50
Umm, something you have which aren't required. 01:33:53
They're the elevations for the the structures, so the concession stands at clubhouse and the restroom facility. 01:33:56
Umm, and then this is the fencing material that they're proposing for the site. 01:34:02
So. 01:34:08
With a review of this, we we did have a few things that that we did want them to address and brought them into your time that you 01:34:09
can address some of these. 01:34:12
Umm, the the first one is going back to the site plan. Umm, we do have the promenade part here, right off to the north. 01:34:16
Umm, and, and there's a lot of street parking along here that we didn't want to reserve for people visiting the, the park. 01:34:22
Umm And so with that, we wanted to have them provide us with a signage and wayfinding plan showing people, hey, if you're coming 01:34:28
to the racket ball or the basketball. 01:34:33
Pickleball facility here. Go to the parking lot. Don't park on the street here. 01:34:37
Umm and so we just wanted to see that kind of plan from them about, you know, maybe some signage along the, the street right here 01:34:42
that says. 01:34:45
You know, sports court parking around the corner or something like that. 01:34:48
Umm, the other one is uh, the same thing. Material which you did provide to us today. 01:34:53
Umm, the parking stall here, same thing. We have the, the width of the link we're, we're provided at 18 and we just, uh, request 01:34:59
that they, they bump those up to 20. 01:35:03
Umm, and we, we do have an updated photometric plan that I, I just got. 01:35:08
Umm, but we did want the DRC did want to see kind of a detailed hour of operations as as. 01:35:13
A lot of people who plays, people like to play well into the night. 01:35:18
Umm, And so we just wanna make sure that that we do have pretty strict hours of operation there, that, that people aren't keeping 01:35:21
these lights on until 2:00 AM or whatever it may be. 01:35:25
Umm and then somewhere for the church one, we just want kind of consistency across all the plans. We have some landscaping plans 01:35:29
that aren't quite up to date with the site plan. All the materials from landscaping are accurate, but. 01:35:35
Umm, with them shifting around from how the quarter are settled? 01:35:41
Umm, it didn't quite reflect that in the landscaping. So we just wanted to see kind of all those plans identical so. 01:35:44
Uh, all that I have for this. If there's any questions I I can answer them or like I said from here to answer them as well. 01:35:50
Thank you uh, before I ask mine if you have any questions. 01:35:58
I think this comment umm, I really appreciate the recommendation for the wayfinding. I think that would be really critical umm, if 01:36:03
you've been out to the new epic fields at all over in Provo, umm. 01:36:10
There are tons of you and and it's incredibly difficult to figure out how to get around where you should park. 01:36:18
Umm, nothing is. There's no signs, nothing like notated which field is which, so. 01:36:24
I think that will be really critical to have accurate. 01:36:30
Financing, keeping the flow of of traffic really. 01:36:33
Umm, moving the right way and making sure that people are parking in the right areas because we have such a parking. 01:36:38
Concern. Umm. So yeah, just wanna emphasize that I appreciate that recommendation. 01:36:44
Do you have anything coming? 01:36:50
I have one question for the applicant. 01:36:53
Umm, the definition here or the title says racquet club. Is this a private club with a paid membership? 01:36:55
Hi Bronson with the developer. 01:37:05
Uh, yeah, it is. 01:37:10
Yeah, so. 01:37:12
It'll be it'll, there'll be a perimeter fence around it and there will be 1 access point. There will be some egress areas, but. 01:37:13
Like more controlled access where people will come in and check in, get their court assignment and. 01:37:20
Uh, my reason for asking that is that pretty much resulting in my parking concern. 01:37:26
With that when it. 01:37:30
Private purchase control like that, it's a lot easier, uh. 01:37:32
To make sure you have sufficient parking and so I. 01:37:38
Have that adjusted any of those concerns? So thank you. 01:37:42
Uh, before we hear a motion, are there any members of the public that? 01:37:47
How much are questions about this? 01:37:52
None. OK, I don't see any. 01:37:55
OK, uh. 01:37:58
Uh, with that, are there any further discussion? 01:37:59
Do we have a motion? 01:38:04
Tell me if you approve the Racquet Club site plan as requested by Bronson Town with the. 01:38:05
UMM presented Commission. 01:38:09
Wonderful. 01:38:11
OK. 01:38:13
All right, there we go. All in favor say aye, aye aye. Passes unanimously. 01:38:14
Thanks. All right, let's move on to the next one. 01:38:20
Well 1385.8 Utah 50 blocks, 53 perfect. 01:38:24
Yeah, this is the site plan approved I believe last year, maybe 2023. Then it's been a minute since we've approved this one. Umm, 01:38:29
but they've come back and they wanted to to make some changes to the building period. So here's for context. 01:38:35
Umm, the the site, umm, like the aquatic centers is right here, so just to the north of that. 01:38:41
Umm, here I've tried to highlight kind of areas that that are being, umm, changed. They're, they're adding these arcades, which 01:38:48
are, uh, part of the building that that reaches over the, the public hardware, the sidewalk. 01:38:53
Umm, in the next page I'm recording showing that, but you can kind of see outlined in red where the building fixed out over the 01:38:59
sidewalk there, umm, in those three locations. 01:39:03
It's just a screen right process. 01:39:08
OK. 01:39:10
Umm. In doing so the the this is adding 37 additional units to this block. 01:39:12
And they are providing an additional 46 parking stalls for a total of $536 for this. 01:39:17
Umm block, which is meeting our our parking minimum there. 01:39:22
Umm so you can kinda see the arcade here the. 01:39:26
You can kind of see how the sidewalk kinda tucked up underneath the building. 01:39:29
Uh, this is that southeast corner. 01:39:33
And then this shows you the. 01:39:36
We have the arcade going over the sidewalk. 01:39:39
So with that, we, we really have no concerns with this, umm, we did just get the product approval. 01:39:43
Umm, it it still does need to get reported to the county before they're able to do this. We did wanna just make sure that that's 01:39:49
in here. 01:39:52
Umm, prior to building permit review. We get that recorded. 01:39:55
Umm, as well as we wanna make sure that in these areas here that there's. 01:39:58
Adequate with for like a wheelchair user to be able to get through the sidewalk here. 01:40:03
Those those are really only two concerns. 01:40:08
Wonderful. 01:40:11
Thank you. 01:40:12
Are there any questions? 01:40:13
No, uh. 01:40:18
I have one question for the applicant. 01:40:20
Could you speak to? 01:40:22
The site plan umm. 01:40:25
Just very quickly. 01:40:27
How you believe it is consistent with the neighboring blocks? 01:40:29
Within Utah City. 01:40:34
Yeah, well, this, this is the first. 01:40:35
On the side of the street. 01:40:39
So. 01:40:40
14D across the street is under construction. 01:40:41
And 88. 01:40:45
Just to sell 14B is under construction so. 01:40:47
The one that's like. 01:40:50
Framed in wood. 01:40:51
That's 14 D that you see out on site. 8A is putting foundation stage and you'll see it going vertical pretty soon. 01:40:52
14D and 8A both have retail corners. 01:41:01
Umm, so there. There is a really strong presence out on the street. 13 feet also has a retail. 01:41:05
Uh-huh. Corner. 01:41:12
And we wanted to create a little bit of difference in in this so that they're not all the exact same like creating this arcade 01:41:14
entrance type. 01:41:17
So, umm. 01:41:21
That's Yep, that's what you see here. So. 01:41:23
That space back there like. 01:41:26
Behind the arcade is A2 story volume, so part of it is umm. 01:41:29
The lobby of the building, part of it amenity. 01:41:34
Umm. And then it leads into. 01:41:38
Like, uh. 01:41:40
Oh, fitness. 01:41:42
A amenity that goes down the street that's really high visibility up to the street. 01:41:44
So it is. It is unique, but it's fitting with the like the the character and and it's uses and. 01:41:49
Umm, we just wanted to have a little bit different style on this quarter. 01:41:55
Thank you. 01:41:59
Are there any members of the public staff? Questions or comments? 01:42:02
Seeing none. 01:42:06
Umm, I'd like to go ahead and motion. I'll move to approve the block urgency site plan amendment as presented with the conditions 01:42:08
also as presented by that. 01:42:13
One second. 01:42:18
OK, all in favor? Aye aye. Any opposed? 01:42:20
Right, that also passes unanimously. 01:42:23
Let's move on to the last one, which is 5.9, the Utah City Wellness Center and resort pool. OK, Yeah, this was, uh, another tech, 01:42:27
uh. 01:42:31
My point amendment this is originally approved. 01:42:36
December 2023, I believe. 01:42:39
Umm, you can see here where I have it highlighted. Umm. 01:42:41
This is uh, blocked on the promenade, uh. 01:42:44
Umm, so you can see up in the northern half of that. The rest of the walk is, is currently under construction. 01:42:49
Umm, they've had quite a few changes to the, the Wellness Center, the Aquatic Center, umm, and that's what we're, we're presenting 01:42:54
here tonight. 01:42:58
Uh, so you'll see here, umm, this is the new design that the original uh, I could pull up if you do want to see it, but they did 01:43:03
change the layout of the floor quite a bit. Don't say the location of the pool, but just the design overall. 01:43:09
And, and then they did have some kind of different changes in direction and, and how they, the, the architecture of the building, 01:43:15
it was more like a modern building that they were, that wasn't really improved. And now, uh, maybe more traditional, umm. 01:43:21
So with this, they're also breaking it up into phases. So what we're looking at today is phase one, which I've highlighted in red, 01:43:28
which consists of a restroom. 01:43:32
Building right here. Concessions building. 01:43:36
The kids pool right here and the splash pad right here. 01:43:38
The the rest of the phase takes to umm. 01:43:44
With the pool and the, the building associated with that would be uh, approved through separate type plan amendment if they're 01:43:47
gonna change the elevations and whatnot. 01:43:51
You can see this is that concessions building. 01:43:56
This is that restroom building. 01:44:01
So yeah, you can see here I've kind of described that already of the the phases or what will be per phase one and then the 01:44:07
additional phases. 01:44:10
Umm, something else? 01:44:17
I do wanna mention that there is no change in in use at all. No change in square footage, nothing like that. So like the parking 01:44:21
requirements aren't changed anything like that. 01:44:25
It's essentially just changing design. 01:44:30
Umm, the one thing that that as we brought this up at at staff or the DRC is we did want to. 01:44:32
Look at the splash pad here and uh. 01:44:39
Potentially look at options for shade shade sales as needed. 01:44:43
Umm, if, if you've seen in our parks right now going up, we have some shade sales that were highly requested by residents and we 01:44:47
want to make sure that. 01:44:50
Umm, we don't have to come back and, and close down the splash pad or park or whatever for, umm, quite some time to get those 01:44:54
installed. So umm, our, our parks and rec director is looking at this and, and. 01:44:59
Determining if if you think it would be appropriate to have them located around here. That being said, there there will be trees 01:45:04
umm. 01:45:07
Along with the area that that will help provide shade in the future. 01:45:10
Umm, but that that's really the only thing that the concern that that we had at our G or she. 01:45:14
OK. 01:45:25
Thank you. 01:45:26
Are there any questions? I have one question, what I you showed the design, but what was the the change in elevation on the 01:45:27
building? 01:45:31
What do you mean changing elevation? Because that was a change, right? You were elevation changes, yeah. 01:45:35
Oh, just trying to, yeah, yeah. So like you can see like this is kind of what was the the design thing. Yeah. 01:45:41
What was the reason for the design change button? 01:45:49
Just overall our. 01:45:52
Our architectural style in Utah City is going more traditional. 01:45:54
Umm, Block 5 and 6 had more of a modern deal to them. 01:45:59
And we? 01:46:05
Made a couple of changes though to make them look more traditional. Umm. 01:46:07
And the pool was being designed with five and six, and so all of it was looking a little more contemporary, but as we. 01:46:10
Pivoted and went more traditional. We. 01:46:17
We did that in this building as well. So that's what you're saying is that just? 01:46:20
Much more traditional timeless architecture instead of something that may look more like a fad that. 01:46:24
Not age well, so we went more traditional. 01:46:30
OK, it could just be because it's black and white, but. 01:46:33
Our the rift shingles. That's not like Spanish titles, is it? No that nature for some reason. 01:46:37
That's exactly what I said to you. So that's why I was confused when you looked at that. And then it looked different than the 01:46:45
other design. So that's why I was like there. You're talking about actual. 01:46:48
Umm, actual location, but OK, that's, that's very helpful. 01:46:53
So, uh, the design changes also reflect material changes just to be consistent with the other buildings on the floor. That's 01:46:57
exactly. 01:47:01
OK. Do you have anything? 01:47:06
Umm. 01:47:09
The shade structures. 01:47:11
I don't know if I necessarily agree. 01:47:14
Now is it only over a splash pad? 01:47:17
I asked because I think a lot of the community desires and you can. 01:47:20
Correct me if I'm wrong is moreover play equipment rather than splash up. 01:47:25
Yeah, you, you're absolutely right with that. And and we did bring that up at that with the DRC meeting that like people are going 01:47:29
to generally get some fun. They're not trying to hide from it too much. 01:47:33
Umm, it was more of in. 01:47:38
Like the? 01:47:40
Oh, sorry. 01:47:41
The parents kind of waiting area over here. So we just wanna make sure that there's adequate fund if if you don't wanna, you know, 01:47:43
move forward with shade sales and we just say, you know, we're, we're OK with with adequate landscaping, but there's trees there. 01:47:50
You know, we're fine with that, we just wanna make sure that there's change available. Yeah, Mining only issue is making it a 01:47:57
requirement I. 01:48:00
But sure, that seems beyond our scope. So fire shapes there, but uh, as a condition? 01:48:03
Umm, I'm OK saying hey please put in some shade. 01:48:10
But making a requirement I just feel funny to me, but I could be wrong. 01:48:14
Do you just do you have any strong opinion one way or the other? 01:48:18
I think typically people do go to water areas to be in the sun and the water and they bring their own camping. 01:48:23
I'm OK with that and and just a little context to the. 01:48:30
Kind of the rectangular area just to the. 01:48:34
Lower right of the splash pad. There is a family pavilion there with that shaded. 01:48:37
And then there's two fire pits and then another shape just to the South. 01:48:41
So they're in there is like if people want to escape from us and there are opportunities to get underneath something for shade. 01:48:46
What time are you putting in? 01:48:53
Uh, I don't know off the top of my head on on this one. 01:48:54
Thank you for coming on. I know there's so many trees going right now. I'm not sure which one of those are exactly, but. 01:48:59
Umm, OK. 01:49:09
Are there any members of the public with comments about this? 01:49:11
All right, seeing none, do we have any further discussion or emotion? 01:49:15
I'll make a motion. I need to approve the Wellness Center and Resort Pool Site Plan amendment application as presented. 01:49:19
Great second. 01:49:28
Alright, alright. 01:49:30
All in favor. 01:49:32
All right, all right. 01:49:33
As well passes unanimously. 01:49:35
Thanks. 01:49:37
All right, folks, we did it. Let's move on to. 01:49:40
Item 6, which is our work session, uh, it says no work items submitted, so there's no item there. So we're now moving on to staff 01:49:44
and Commission report. Is there anything to report on staff or the Commission? 01:49:51
Umm, well, I just wanna commend you. 01:50:01
For taking the time to wait even though this meeting delayed a little bit. 01:50:04
Uh, we appreciate. 01:50:09
What you do for the city? 01:50:10
And it doesn't make our hard work go to waste, so. 01:50:12
Just wanna say thank you, thank you. And I would say the same thing to all of you. I will request. 01:50:15
For a future. 01:50:23
Item. 01:50:25
Uh, a discussion about. 01:50:27
Start time. 01:50:30
Of our meeting. 01:50:32
And discussion about just overall attendance expectations? 01:50:33
Yeah. I have that as a feature. Yeah, I, I have. I mean, I just set up with Morgan tomorrow to kind of discuss kind of a direction 01:50:37
that we want to go with that. 01:50:41
All right, hopefully. 01:50:45
Next time we have Planning Commission, we can address that. Thank you, appreciate that. 01:50:47
Yeah, I apologize for being late, Not about you. Bye. 01:50:51
All right, that moves us on to adjournment. 01:50:57
We're done. Thank you, everyone. Thank you. 01:51:00