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Been a rough couple weeks. 00:00:00
But uh, to our consent calendar item 4.1, which is the approval of the May 21st meeting minutes. 00:00:01
Uh, are there any questions or a motion to approve? 7 minutes? 00:00:07
If there are no questions, I move. We approve the minutes. 00:00:12
We have a motion. 00:00:15
A second and we have a second. All in favor say aye. 00:00:17
All right, any post? 00:00:20
All right. The minutes passed unanimously. We're gonna move on to our business items. 00:00:22
And so on this team, I believe you'll be giving the staff presentation for Item 5.2, which is the public hearing for 00:00:26
transportation master plan and impact fee. 00:00:31
Alright, so again, assuming that there are probably worse directions in here, so. 00:00:36
The public answer, the translation match plan impactee uh, is being uh. 00:00:41
UH recommend to be postponed as the impact fee is not yet ready. 00:00:47
So, uh, that's why, uh, there is no official attachments because there is no public, uh, there's not gonna be a public hearing. 00:00:51
Does it work for that? 00:00:58
Well, OK, I I can add on to that a little bit because we've publicly noticed it. 00:00:59
Correct you, uh, ten days ago or whatever. 00:01:03
We had to have it on the agenda. 00:01:05
Umm, even if we're continuing it. 00:01:07
So that's why it's on there. 00:01:09
Great and and. 00:01:11
Thank you. 00:01:12
And also in the future, we can. 00:01:13
No, if we are aware ahead of time like we were today. 00:01:14
Umm, we can note on the agenda item this item will post on. 00:01:18
So later that wonderful. 00:01:22
Thank you. 00:01:23
Umm, with that, because it is. 00:01:25
A notice of public hearing. I do have to open the public hearing. 00:01:27
So it's now open. 00:01:30
Are there Amy? 00:01:32
Public comments that need to be heard. 00:01:34
Seeing none, we'll close the public hearing. 00:01:37
Uh, please remind me, do we need an official action to continue it? 00:01:39
Or can that be initiated just done by staff like? 00:01:44
Umm, so you can you can continue to a future meeting. 00:01:48
To dig in certain, you know, and we'll most likely have it. I mean, as soon as the impact, umm, the analysis is prepared, we'll 00:01:51
have that. 00:01:55
I'll see you guys. 00:01:58
OK, so I. 00:01:59
Sorry, Pam requested to have a date assigned. 00:02:01
Instead of just saying. 00:02:04
OK. 00:02:06
How if we could understand you wanna provide a date with like with this kind of thing, we need a data science. 00:02:07
Would you like to get through July and do the first meeting in August? 00:02:15
Yeah, we can do this for last May of July. 00:02:19
OK, So what? 00:02:22
July 16. 00:02:23
That is fine. As a note, I will not be in attendance for that July 16th. 00:02:25
Meeting and so which is. 00:02:29
Fine, as long as we have a commitment that there will be enough people here. 00:02:31
Can we do the first week of, uh, the first meeting of August? Let's do the first meeting of August then. 00:02:36
That's fine. 00:02:41
OK. 00:02:42
All right, so I will move to continue this item. 00:02:46
To the. 00:02:50
Regularly scheduled August 6th. 00:02:51
Planning Commission meeting. 00:02:53
Is there a second? 00:02:55
OK. 00:02:56
All in favor. 00:02:57
All right, any post? 00:02:58
Alright. 00:03:00
August 6th it is. 00:03:01
Alright, that moves us on to. 00:03:04
The next item. 00:03:06
Which is. 00:03:07
The 400 S roadway extension. 00:03:08
Uh. 00:03:12
The theme or OK? 00:03:15
So I was planning on giving a just a quick workshop update for the transportation master plan. This is just an update, uh, 00:03:17
workshop, no. 00:03:20
Nothing, Uh, no action, no action, no, uh, required and so forth. Just. 00:03:24
A high level UH information about the UH transportation match plan. 00:03:29
So I'm not quite as hard for progress since the last time it was presented. 00:03:33
So and then, uh, move into the four inch top. 00:03:37
Is that for the August 6th meeting again is what you're talking about or for tonight? 00:03:41
Uh. 00:03:45
OK, yeah, umm, it's. 00:03:46
All that's listed on the item is. 00:03:49
Work session for 400 software extension. So umm if that includes. 00:03:50
Elements from the transportation element and by all means. 00:03:55
OK, so. 00:04:02
That is not what I wanted. 00:04:03
One second. 00:04:05
Right lights. 00:04:08
There we go. 00:04:18
There we go. 00:04:22
Alright, so transformation master plan update just this is just to provide a high level update from the from the transformation 00:04:25
master plan. But uh. 00:04:28
Have you been working on? 00:04:31
So just a quick recap of the work. 00:04:33
It provides in the same potential services for citizens, welfare and accessible quality life. Uh, we're open 24 hours a day, seven 00:04:35
days a week. Trans. 00:04:38
Right, 663 and five days a year. 00:04:42
Uh, so quick overview, uh, uh, in regards to the. 00:04:45
A quick overview, uh, that we provide the transportation mask plan is. 00:04:49
Actually, what we've been working on is multiple documents. 00:04:53
Equip tasters matched by a capital facilities and tax fee plan. 00:04:55
Has not been active analysis. 00:04:59
That would be for the public hearing, just kind. 00:05:00
The development of the capital. 00:05:03
Billy's plan, uh, we've been, uh, worked on traffic Common guy. 00:05:05
As well as traffic impact study guidelines as well as access management planners. You can see it's very much a holistic doc, uh. 00:05:09
Umm, how would I say, doctor? Several doctors? A holistic approach? 00:05:15
To our TRA uh, transportation network. 00:05:18
OK, so it's kind of diving into each, uh, each clip. 00:05:21
Each of the, uh, different types of documents. 00:05:24
Uh, the first one being the transportation master plan. 00:05:27
Uh, I kind of highlight that, you know, uh, this is from the American Public Works Association, Public Works advancing the Quality 00:05:29
of life. 00:05:32
For all SO. 00:05:35
Again, I won't go into details on this because they're not provided several. 00:05:37
Or, but please feel free to ask questions as we go along. 00:05:42
Uh, was the TMP, was the translation match plan to CF? 00:05:45
At P, which is the capital facilities plan. 00:05:49
And you have the IFFP which is impact facility. 00:05:51
In fact, she facilities planner, which is uh. 00:05:55
As well as IFA which is impact facility analysis, those last two documents with. 00:05:57
You would be going into. 00:06:02
Uh, for the public? No public hearing. 00:06:03
Uh, but it was like was. 00:06:06
Provide UH donor with the 1st 2 when the transportation match plan as well as. 00:06:08
Fine, Uh. 00:06:12
So just trying to provide you a a guideline, a road map of that. 00:06:15
Uh, that's all good. 00:06:20
So an overview for the UMM. An overview for transportation mash plan. 00:06:22
Uh, provided that, you know, we, you know, it was a focus on having a group from 139 residents. 00:06:28
Back in 2010 to well over 14,000 residents. Uh 2023. 00:06:33
Uh, the big focus is, has been, uh, you know, major developments, uh, have, have started to occur. 00:06:38
Through increased commuter traffic. 00:06:45
Uh, the first transition that, uh. 00:06:47
This is the first official translation master. 00:06:49
That was, uh, built on current Miami's projection, the original translation master plan. 00:06:52
Was done in 2000. 00:06:58
Seven. Uh. 00:06:59
And. 00:07:01
The the qua the updates since then. 00:07:03
Have been umm. 00:07:06
Of what I would say more informal. 00:07:07
Uh, update. 00:07:09
Uh, in regards to updating the capital system? 00:07:10
35 uh, but that's just one element of the of the holistic price. 00:07:13
The The CMP supports the general plan, uh and guides for future transformation. Invest. 00:07:17
As you know, the general plan, uh, as regarding documents developed by our. 00:07:22
Oh, our, you know our finance over there. 00:07:26
Uh, and just, uh, allied to that. 00:07:29
Uh, so when we talk about. 00:07:32
The, uh, transportation mask when we get we, we, we took a deep dive. 00:07:35
Uh, because I was, uh, everything that was on the transportation plan presented before was really like I was getting the top of 00:07:39
the surface. 00:07:42
With the line of you know, just document that will be posted publicly. 00:07:45
When we go into the public house. 00:07:49
Is about 198 pages long. 00:07:50
So I took, uh, I took that and condensed it down. 00:07:53
Uh, this off. 00:07:57
Find those documents. 00:07:58
Total about 280 ish pages. 00:07:59
So. 00:08:03
Uh, when I have to have three slides? 00:08:04
I was hoping you would appreciate. 00:08:06
Uh con consolidating over almost 300 pages. 00:08:07
35. 00:08:11
Uh, but we I take a deeper dive into the land use. 00:08:12
Uh, for future, uh, to prescribe for future, uh, future transportation demand. 00:08:16
Uh, let me look at the gross focus and uh, along with the new connector as well as in sales developments is. 00:08:20
And then? 00:08:26
Uh, looking towards how the. 00:08:27
How the uh. 00:08:29
Uh, how's the land use of the city is being made-up, uh, of. 00:08:31
And we also look at things that are. 00:08:35
Oh, I would think I'd like outliers, but you know, you have your schools to build churches and medical facilities. 00:08:37
Those are usually. 00:08:44
As we go throughout every. 00:08:46
Municipality, my last. 00:08:48
City path. 00:08:49
Umm, I probably had. 00:08:51
UH-8 different schools, uh. 00:08:54
Public school. 00:08:55
In, in our, in our city and then we have, uh, a good big cash flow. 00:08:56
Private schools there as well. 00:09:00
So, uh. 00:09:02
And then of course, we take it down to different years, 2023, which is our benchmark. 00:09:04
When we look out 10 years, out two. 00:09:09
22,033 of course. 00:09:11
Are, uh, as far as we can 2015 instead of capital. 00:09:14
So we plan as as you'll see. 00:09:18
Kind of focuses more on this. 00:09:20
Uh, with a short term which is not 2050. 00:09:22
Like point 2033. 00:09:25
Uh, when we took it, when, when we developed the transportation master plan, we look at the roadway network, the classification 00:09:28
and level of service. 00:09:31
Be the purpose of this the best kind of feature we would need? 00:09:34
Uh, proposed improvements. 00:09:38
Based on forecasted growth and traffic modeling. 00:09:39
We have, uh, we, we, we went there, we looked at our railway, our railways and they should have been classifying our railways 00:09:43
properly. So. 00:09:46
If a rose was uh. 00:09:50
May have been briefly classified as a. 00:09:52
Major arterial. 00:09:55
Uh, but then we started looking at the. 00:09:57
Uh, as being developed around it and and. 00:09:59
Can can maybe make a determination that? 00:10:03
Bye brother. Uh. 00:10:05
Is more likely. 00:10:07
A major collector or maybe a minor collector or. 00:10:09
Very unlikely. 00:10:13
You know, even down to local roads. 00:10:14
So we look at mobility and access. 00:10:16
On those as well. 00:10:18
Uh, and those help not also drive by. 00:10:20
Development in our. 00:10:22
Uh, projects like in terms of improving projects as well. So it does help uh, guide, guide our key limits. 00:10:24
As well so. 00:10:30
I mean, uh, arterial roads have a higher speed limit and then down to your local resource channel lower speed limit. So we really 00:10:32
look to. 00:10:35
On that and of course the characteristics about the right away requirements. 00:10:39
For all all three. 00:10:42
Uh, then we looked at the. 00:10:43
Level of service for city. 00:10:45
Have a thrust level. At the acceptable level of service you have AB. 00:10:47
CDENF. 00:10:52
Of course we want to stay away from the EMF. 00:10:53
This is the best part. 00:10:56
They kinda determine. 00:10:57
Uh, looking in. 00:11:00
They determine. 00:11:01
Individually for master plan once they may have a different threshold in other in other cities. 00:11:03
The higher the threshold, the higher your. 00:11:08
You make things more expensive. 00:11:11
Obviously, uh, you're going to be uh. 00:11:13
It's the, you know, it's always that there's been more, uh, projects that will have to go on there, you know, the wider roads, 00:11:17
etcetera, etcetera down the line. So. 00:11:20
We take this with, uh, we take us five years. 00:11:24
Were was acceptable service? This is kinda like that. 00:11:27
Benchmark, UH throughout the state of Utah. 00:11:30
Uh, on how we are the. 00:11:33
One on the left is the city road and the one on the right. 00:11:35
Is downtown real thresholds being the Utah State development? 00:11:37
That's all so. 00:11:42
Next thing when you, uh, take some Narragansett, uh. 00:11:47
Hi, you know, uh, pretty pictures. 00:11:50
Mainly just the right way, uh, kind of like to do the roadway sessions and right away again. 00:11:51
We look at. 00:11:56
Uh. This is uh. 00:11:57
To make sure the real linear general plan. 00:11:59
Oh, we do recognize that. 00:12:01
Uh, there are certain, uh. 00:12:03
Through a subsequent plan. 00:12:05
Uh uh, there that may be. 00:12:06
Specifically for a specific area, like for example downtown. 00:12:08
Uh, uh, areas cross fashion may be may differ from this as well. 00:12:11
There are other cross sections, uh. 00:12:15
Uh, provide and this provides us flexibility. 00:12:19
To do cross sections on a on a as new basis. So we have this. 00:12:22
Type of those cross sections here. 00:12:27
Like for example the road 7. 00:12:29
575. 00:12:31
South, where the 2. 00:12:33
New state centers are going to be. 00:12:35
Uh, uh, when we, when we reviewed the need and the divine leases and the need. 00:12:36
And, uh, and. 00:12:42
Right away, the public, right away, that's that's there. 00:12:45
When you determine that none of these cross sections. 00:12:48
Ashley said. 00:12:51
So this is not supposed to be a one factor, that's all. 00:12:53
This is just about to create guiding document. 00:12:56
To provide consistency. 00:12:58
So when we do come across the. 00:13:00
Uh, situations that you vary. 00:13:02
We can use these as guiding as as a guiding principle of this. 00:13:05
To for example like a. 00:13:08
Minor Collector Rd. 00:13:10
Should be a road with. 00:13:11
Now you know with two lane traffic. 00:13:13
Uh, a? 00:13:16
Uh, shoulder, uh, you know, a wide shoulder, force shoulder. 00:13:18
Park strip, uh park strip ship ship off for trees but then again may come into areas where. 00:13:22
You know, we're we're meeting this type of minor collector cross section. 00:13:27
Umm, minus the part strip. 00:13:32
Or we may be choosing to. 00:13:34
Equalized the soldiers first shoulder. 00:13:36
Two out of five way. 00:13:38
On there. So again, this is not. 00:13:40
These cross sections are not meant to be a. 00:13:42
One-size-fits-all, or this is where we're bound. 00:13:44
To live by this. 00:13:47
So I just wanted to make sure I tried that. 00:13:49
If that was the case, then we probably just documented 5000 pages long trying to. 00:13:52
Uh, determine everything out there. 00:13:57
Alright, umm, so moving forward. 00:14:00
Uh, on the transportation master plan, uh, we really took a look into that. I'll look at the, uh, snapshots for. 00:14:02
The the the 2050. 00:14:09
Uh, but umm, each scenario. 00:14:11
Like every time I go from 2023 to 2030 three 2050. 00:14:14
We look at roadway volumes. 00:14:18
We and we. 00:14:20
Uh, you know these projections. 00:14:21
For really Vine. 00:14:23
Then we then we start working to uh, So which is the far left side? 00:14:25
The nullified is a rowing number, So what type of network? 00:14:29
Is required for that and then in the last. 00:14:32
Uh, uh, that last. 00:14:35
Uh, traffic on the right? 00:14:37
Is uh uh. 00:14:40
Projects. Then we started identifying projects that would have to support that. 00:14:41
So that's kind of mythology. There we go. 00:14:45
Sure. 00:14:47
Uh, but on the, on our transportation, that's why I would like to say what makes this unique and much better than everyone else. 00:14:49
Everything you say, Florida. 00:14:54
Or so you talk to me. 00:14:55
I'm not sure because uh, this is taken from uh. 00:14:57
Are my OCD. 00:15:01
When you don't call, you're not calling cancellation master plan because. 00:15:02
The, uh, the mobility master plan. 00:15:06
Because if we talk about moving people regardless how we move them, but in this particular one, we did satisfaction for public 00:15:09
transit. 00:15:12
And after transportation? 00:15:16
We do have an active translation master plan and this does not replace that. 00:15:18
This just would help reflect the stand up. 00:15:22
When we developed our low rate mapper. 00:15:24
We did consider the public transit and the actor and the active transportation plans that are in place. 00:15:27
So we're not building. 00:15:33
Uh, widening. 00:15:35
When, uh, the other, uh, there's other infrastructure, there's other modes of travel. 00:15:36
That with, uh. 00:15:43
You know, eliminate the need for. 00:15:45
For for lining that road. 00:15:47
Historically, we're trying. What we're doing here is ensuring that the money being spent for. 00:15:49
Transportation plan or transportation projects are being spent. 00:15:53
You know. 00:15:56
Holistically. 00:15:57
Considering the other avenues. 00:15:58
So we took uh. 00:16:00
Our which we look at the future transit. 00:16:02
Uh, plans. And we also looked at the actual transportation plan to ensure that we were not, you know, we were aligned to those as 00:16:04
well. 00:16:07
Uh, we also made sure that we took a look at there. Do you feel we did it? 00:16:11
So we, uh, went and looked at the railway. 00:16:14
Uh, and allies there where we have, uh, safety and hazards. 00:16:17
Uh, on the the map, the diagram, the graphic on the right. 00:16:21
Is that? He asked, showing where your major? 00:16:24
Umm, you're not, The great areas are. 00:16:27
Uh, the hot spots on the left. 00:16:31
So, uh. 00:16:33
Maybe. I'm sorry it's hard to read. 00:16:35
But it will be on the. 00:16:37
File documents. 00:16:38
Uh, it is. 00:16:40
Uh, 255 N Mill Rd. 00:16:41
We have 650 N Snow Rd. We have 800 N Mill Rd. 00:16:44
170 N. 00:16:48
Vineyard Rd. 00:16:50
And Center St. and. 00:16:52
True. So there is a common flu. 00:16:53
Around those. 00:16:56
Area. 00:16:57
Uh, as well, and I do and, uh, those are in that. 00:16:58
Kind of what helps drive our. 00:17:02
Of capital facilities plans to stay. 00:17:04
You know, where are we having? 00:17:06
Issues. 00:17:08
That's, you know, and I hate to say it, but this is kind of like a reactive way. 00:17:09
OK, but. 00:17:13
We're trying to take more the proactive and the reactive. 00:17:14
OK, alright, have. 00:17:17
Put it together. 00:17:18
For the justification. 00:17:19
Umm, I apologize to interrupt. You said you're done. 00:17:21
What's up next? Slide said you're done anyway, no? 00:17:26
Oh, OK. 00:17:28
OK umm, you said there was a commenting. What's the comment team? 00:17:29
Safety, safety, but mostly no growth. 00:17:32
I mean, that's where we kind of look at things like we have UH-12, three of them 12345. 00:17:36
Uh, areas that we identified as hot spots. 00:17:43
Uh, three of those 5. 00:17:46
Are no roads. 00:17:48
So could that possibly be just because it's a long stretch that's uninterrupted? 00:17:49
If you guys would be correct, Yeah, Sir. 00:17:54
So we're looking at like, for example, we do have uh, and we met uh, just the other day about doing a traffic signal on Mill Rd. 00:17:56
as. 00:18:00
On the North and Mill Rd. 00:18:04
Uh, and then of course there are plans in place. 00:18:06
Uh, to improve that, not just for the cars, but. 00:18:09
Again for umm. 00:18:12
No 2000. 00:18:13
Classical stuff, yeah. 00:18:15
Uh, the next document that was, that's kind of half off the translation as well. So that was 198 pages. 00:18:18
Is conduct, uh. 00:18:24
Uh, for that, umm, if it's OK. 00:18:26
Umm, before we move on to the next section, I know I have questions. 00:18:29
Alright, 100% of the Commission that might have questions. 00:18:33
Before moving on. 00:18:35
Does anyone have any questions on what's been shared so far? 00:18:37
OK. Yeah, the next questions are much shorter as far as, uh, there are smaller documents. 00:18:42
Have been uh, paying to uh. 00:18:47
Perspective. So you have the capital facilities impact, the facilities plan. 00:18:49
This is just the. 00:18:53
Basis of the stock market is Doctor. 00:18:54
It's not the California, it's not the impact. 00:18:56
Authorities, uh. 00:18:58
So again, this is not part of the any kind of public hearing public policy. 00:19:00
Uh, so when we do the capital facilities, uh, we look at the overview. So we. 00:19:05
So using the translation match to finally identify railway projects. 00:19:09
That are needed for 2033 even though our translation match Finder about the 2013. 00:19:12
And ask them to get to a point where your time. 00:19:17
I don't feel like that you're kind of trying to rock. 00:19:19
Uh, everything and and hoping you're gonna hit. 00:19:22
You're a blind man. You're you're ahead, but you need your head. 00:19:25
But uh, so twent, uh, 2033 is what our cap capital facility, uh, facilities. 00:19:28
Uh, goes out. 00:19:34
Umm, it looks like 6 major roadway uh, projects and then also and help us capitalize empathy there for projects that are eligible 00:19:35
to be calculated for MP. 00:19:40
There are some projects that we might be looking at that. 00:19:44
Are not impactfully eligible and we just wanna make sure that we're buying. 00:19:47
Uh, here's a snapshot and this is this. 00:19:52
Share it several times. 00:19:53
1st I'm pro before projects have been umm, the short term uh for the improvement. 00:19:55
Lake Blvd. 00:19:59
Now, which is a row that goes along the way along the shoreline. 00:20:01
Uh, just NE north of uh, Lakeshore, uh. 00:20:05
Like. 00:20:09
Uh, condos. 00:20:11
Like right, there we go. Like fine, thank you. 00:20:13
On the we have 300 W like, uh and uh, and the connection there. 00:20:15
Uh, we also have 300 W interconnector. We have 600 N Main St. intersection. 00:20:20
Uh, and we're actually actively working on that now. 00:20:26
Uh, Main Street and Zinfandel, uh, at 400 S and then 400 S. 00:20:29
Uh, connection. 00:20:34
That's all. 00:20:36
So. 00:20:37
So the next document that we have is Traffic Common Guidelines. 00:20:40
Now, this is obviously something that's very important to existing residents to help address those existing umm. 00:20:43
Uh, this situation is that PO, that's it, that's developed. 00:20:49
You know, as much as we can, as much as as often as engineers are only. 00:20:52
Forecast and, uh, you know, calculate, you know, numbers as fast as we can. 00:20:56
And then you come down to real world so. 00:21:01
The biggest thing on the traffic common guidelines that we you know with their revisions in a nutshell. 00:21:03
We, uh, look at physical measures that we reduce. 00:21:07
Which, uh, we're going to have. 00:21:10
Ultra driver behavior improved safety for non motorized users. 00:21:11
Uh, it's our primary. 00:21:15
Helps reduce vehicle speed, minimize cut through traffic. 00:21:17
Benefits improve safety, of course, and enhance the quality of life. 00:21:20
And uh, you know, we do have some cautions that. 00:21:24
You know, if we do something in one place, we do. It's a domino effect. 00:21:27
So sometimes we may. 00:21:31
Uh, engineers, like honestly, we get asked questions like, yeah, we understand that myself. The problem. 00:21:33
At this point particular location, but we do have to. 00:21:39
Consider. 00:21:42
Other residents and the Arkansas other areas as well. 00:21:43
But we do want to be cautious about how we we work. 00:21:46
A lot with our UMM. 00:21:48
Sheriff's Office. 00:21:50
And was asked about. 00:21:51
UH-19 uh, emergency response. 00:21:52
Uh, uh, response in my especially in my last day for you tend to be able to do a lot. You know, you're able to see function very 00:21:56
easily. 00:22:00
Harder to get those feedback. 00:22:04
But I have, we have Ralph in my city and. 00:22:06
Here the size of Provo. 00:22:09
I believe, uh, where? 00:22:11
We have routes that we were not. 00:22:12
We would never put these up in there. 00:22:14
OK, because it was. 00:22:16
Those are regard designated, uh. 00:22:17
Umm, what's the response routes for our? 00:22:19
Uh uh, for Anglophus. 00:22:21
So those are types of considerations. 00:22:23
Umm. 00:22:26
Alright, and tracking your call right now, shell just provides a good document and this is again, this is a public document for 00:22:29
residents. So when they have uh, when they look at traffic calming. 00:22:33
Kind of gives people I can't hear is our guiding principle. This is this is not all inclusive. This is not saying that. 00:22:37
This is the only thing we're gonna be looking at. But this? 00:22:43
Kind of like business. 00:22:45
And get uh documents for uh. 00:22:47
For us to kind of go based on. 00:22:49
Uh, we outline our process, but then we also talk about roadside measures as well as physical measures. 00:22:51
On there, uh, and of course physical measures is, you know, as much as I really like to put things in there, but they do cost 00:22:58
money. So we just, we do have to be cautious about that. 00:23:03
Uh, only because you know it is, uh, something's what may require counsel. 00:23:08
Uh, approval some things maybe, you know, not, uh, within. 00:23:13
My approval to do is all. 00:23:17
Uh, but then we like to obviously like to, uh. 00:23:20
You know, put things in before the need to be, but then when we have to do retro retrofitting, we can see what we have, what we 00:23:23
can do. 00:23:26
That that for. 00:23:32
Traffic comment Is there any questions about? 00:23:34
Uh, a couple more now that it's happening. In fact, again, when you get to developing, you know, like, for example, like a. 00:23:37
Uh, Burger King that might be coming in. 00:23:43
So everything sounds. 00:23:45
Alright, 65 people. 00:23:47
Umm, but. 00:23:49
Uh, when we get, uh, uh, when we get those type of development, you know, we do ask for a traffic impact study because. 00:23:50
It may be outside the norm. 00:23:56
Some development Go ahead and do the traffic impact study for the. 00:23:58
For like a large. 00:24:01
At a time and then we use that and we review that and we use that document. So but when they alter their. 00:24:03
Development or land use? 00:24:09
And. 00:24:11
He said all we're gonna do is sit down last time, but that turns into fast food. 00:24:12
I provide that the ability to say, you know what time off, let's go ahead and redo that traffic impact study. 00:24:16
Yeah. Uh, so that's that. I'm not sure there's two types of studies. 00:24:21
Uh, trip generation spending traffic impact buddy. 00:24:25
Uh, Tri trip church generation size. 00:24:28
For smaller areas, that uh, traffic is accurate for a larger impact. 00:24:30
Biggest thing we wanna do is we just wanna make sure that we're not. 00:24:34
Uh, asking developers, engineers, and so forth to put a lot of time in ourselves into. 00:24:37
Something that might be very small, I can just recognize how. 00:24:41
Uh, we have level of service thresholds. Again, it varies by location. 00:24:46
As we typed as well. 00:24:49
Uh, and then. 00:24:52
Uh, the key requirements on how, how, how those things should be done. 00:24:54
Uh, here's a snapshot of the flow chart of. 00:24:59
Of that traffic impacts building. 00:25:01
They allow us to move and it allows us to move forward again. 00:25:03
Uh, this type of document, the public, uh. 00:25:06
Maybe not so much for. 00:25:10
The, uh, your everyday residence, but this is a good document for us to have prepared and provide for developers. So provide. 00:25:12
Transparency and clarity. 00:25:18
For a developer planner, uh. 00:25:20
Uh, when you're coming in. 00:25:22
Well, I like parts of when they're coming in. 00:25:24
Any questions on that? We we have this in the previous part of the UMM staff court if you want to, yeah. 00:25:27
So yeah. 00:25:34
So, well, that's all part of the actual. 00:25:35
Yeah. 00:25:37
Umm, Access management was the last portion of this. 00:25:39
Uh, documents. 00:25:42
This is very important for everyone because again, it's about. 00:25:43
How the access uh. 00:25:46
Access areas and then. 00:25:48
If you do not have access management, you may know then if it becomes loosey goosey and. 00:25:49
Uh, there's anything such as we start having a lot of profit in that profit. 00:25:54
Trickle down down would affect you. 00:25:58
Uh, safety concerns etcetera, etcetera. 00:26:00
So. 00:26:03
Uh uh, in a nutshell. 00:26:04
At the infrared, the same team preserved early capacity to our effective. 00:26:07
Uh, driving access. 00:26:10
Uh, you know, reduced tapping conflict and crashes and maintain consistent traffic flow. 00:26:13
Support land use cap cap capability. Like for example if you didn't have a sign of the office. 00:26:17
And we have we go and build a beautiful. 00:26:23
12 Lane Rd. and UH. 00:26:26
We can have a good access management. 00:26:28
Then that's what Wayne Rd. has so many topics. That's now. 00:26:30
Uh, it just becomes. 00:26:35
Undriable and. 00:26:36
So the solution is. 00:26:37
And let me ask those points, which is very, very hard. 00:26:39
Or maybe go the bigger Rd. hang out. 00:26:43
I mean, but. 00:26:45
So this is good. 00:26:46
Uh, document I have in the front. 00:26:47
Uh, we could talk about, uh, standards and inclusions for driveways, mediums, and intersections. 00:26:50
Sight distance is very important. 00:26:56
As well in training, uh training lane train lane design. 00:26:58
Uh, limitations on access near intersections and higher classes, for example. 00:27:02
You have a higher speed Rd. 00:27:06
Uh, and then someone wants to come in for the into the driveway. 00:27:08
Like other like maybe, uh, let's just say. 00:27:11
20 from the intersection. 00:27:13
That's your cost. Probably they will cost back up on a major Rd. 00:27:15
You start having that trickle down stuff. 00:27:19
Uh, here's some tables and charts and we'll go through it like we talked about intersection. 00:27:23
And active staging. 00:27:28
With standard, uh, driveway angles. 00:27:30
And it talks about like the residential. 00:27:33
Uh, you know, you're just our, our desirable to 90° minimum degrees. We'll, you know, 25°. 00:27:35
On that. 00:27:41
Umm, and I'll have to talk to 1,000,000 1/2 to Southwest requirements. 00:27:42
Again, this is just a guy in principle, you know. 00:27:46
Since we got this in Drop we've we've already had. 00:27:49
Uh, like special cases that came forward? 00:27:52
And with that we say. 00:27:54
If you need to, go closer if you need to. 00:27:56
Would be very our our, uh, our standards. 00:27:58
We need to look at what considerations. 00:28:02
For example, maybe it might be a right out right now only. 00:28:04
Maybe that we we require them to do a umm. 00:28:07
Like a, uh, turning way, A turning lane pocket. 00:28:11
Uh, for the, for the, uh, to do that, so. 00:28:14
Again, this providers. 00:28:17
Guidelines. 00:28:18
Uh, sight distance on there. 00:28:20
Uh, again, this is. 00:28:22
Typically, I know that's, uh, we're, uh, we're. 00:28:23
Where I live, uh and. 00:28:27
My last day is the weekend. 00:28:28
Uh, something where? 00:28:30
Is showing that, uh. 00:28:31
Uh, uh. 00:28:33
Cars on air sections and so forth. 00:28:36
Have the ability to make safe maneuvers like returns. 00:28:38
Uh, without. 00:28:42
Uh, obstruction. 00:28:43
So it talks about that for example. 00:28:44
A passenger car on a 33 on our Rd. 00:28:47
Would require 335 feet of clear distance. 00:28:50
To do a left turn. 00:28:54
Uh, Safeway. 00:28:56
Yeah, again, it's not exact science because we. 00:28:57
The way that we're going through this. 00:29:00
Your standard reaction time. 00:29:02
For a driver. 00:29:04
You know the height of a passenger car? Umm. 00:29:05
And uh. 00:29:09
The you know the design fee of the road and. 00:29:11
And put it into. 00:29:14
Pop pop down a number again. So it could be. 00:29:16
Let me use assess these things we do utilize the Sheriff's Office and share. 00:29:19
You know there's not, uh, some other. 00:29:23
Uh, conference. 00:29:25
You too. 00:29:27
Uh, the address is all. 00:29:28
Uh. 00:29:31
So that is that document and this is just everything I said in one single slide. 00:29:32
Maybe I should just jump to this one. 00:29:37
OK. 00:29:39
Uh, do you have any questions on? 00:29:40
The translate translation match plan. 00:29:42
Documents. Oh I appreciate that, thank you. Umm, this is the workshop. 00:29:45
Umm, if I could just get some clarification. 00:29:50
Will this eventually be coming to this body for adoption? 00:29:53
With the impact fees. 00:29:56
So the impact fees are the only thing that would be, uh, present to public notice on this, umm, so, uh, when we provide these 00:29:57
documents. 00:30:01
Uh, yeah. 00:30:05
These particular documents, there's uh. 00:30:06
Minus uh. 00:30:09
Uh, uh, if it's business line, so feedback on, on those. 00:30:11
Right. But the impact fee itself is kind of arriving. 00:30:16
So that's the one that requires. 00:30:19
UN understood. 00:30:21
So but because this is agenda as a work session, there's no action taken tonight is. 00:30:22
That's eventually going to come back to us. 00:30:28
With some action. 00:30:30
To either approve or deny or to move it on to recommend approval, yes. 00:30:32
OK, yeah. So when it goes to. 00:30:37
Into the next document. 00:30:40
Or the next step. 00:30:41
That would be for a recommend recommending approving. 00:30:43
Uh, and. 00:30:45
To, uh recommended council to reimburse. There we go. 00:30:46
OK, I just wanted to make sure the process was clear. 00:30:50
And I can do that just to have you over, uh, to make it more, uh. 00:30:53
The, uh, that's transparent as well. The last three of these documents to track. 00:30:57
Traffic Common guidelines. The traffic impact. 00:31:00
Many guidelines as well as access management. 00:31:03
I don't know, umm, am I understanding it's not required for the council approval or any type of legislative by approval? 00:31:05
However, we want to make sure that. 00:31:11
We worked hard to put all these objects together. 00:31:13
As a package because. 00:31:15
Uh, often times. 00:31:17
Uh, so. 00:31:19
Only. It's only the documents that require approval go forth. 00:31:20
Then we're only giving a small piece of the pie. 00:31:23
Mm-hmm. Uh, alright. I just wanna make sure that. 00:31:26
You know, and I appreciate that. Thank you. 00:31:29
Umm, are there any members of the Commission that have questions? 00:31:31
For comments. 00:31:33
Uh, no. 00:31:36
Thanks. I mean, thanks for that clarification because I. 00:31:37
Yeah, I would. 00:31:40
I mean you gave a great overview, but I would love to be able to. 00:31:41
Read through and and. 00:31:44
Takes more than. 00:31:46
15 minutes to to really understanding. 00:31:48
See what's in. 00:31:51
Uh, but yeah, great overview, very helpful. 00:31:52
Thanks for. 00:31:55
Alright, bye. 00:31:56
OK umm, anyone else? 00:31:58
Question about the Burger King coming to the Yard? 00:32:00
An additional. 00:32:05
Uh, impact. 00:32:07
Traffic impact. 00:32:09
Study needs to take place. 00:32:10
Because they didn't quite. 00:32:13
Umm, you know, determine what? 00:32:16
What type of restaurant? 00:32:19
It's coming, yeah. And how would that impact, uh. 00:32:21
Parkland.com. 00:32:24
So yes, so. 00:32:26
The trans uh, the traffic impact study is definitely like parking specifically. 00:32:27
So that will be under any part like a parking setting. 00:32:31
I don't know. I know when the Burger King came through. 00:32:34
Umm, we get a test like the impact is, uh. 00:32:37
To the surrounding traffic. 00:32:40
On that and if I'm not mistaken when the yard their land use. 00:32:42
They, you know, now that their land use, uh, they were consistent with their land use. They weren't changing their land use. So 00:32:46
the traffic impact study like a high scale, like a. 00:32:50
A a deep dive. 00:32:56
In fact that it wasn't really required. 00:32:57
Because it happened. 00:32:59
Uh, traffic, uh, I would say like the traffic, uh. 00:33:01
Uh, generous per generation study to ensure that. 00:33:04
What was in, uh, what was being done was. 00:33:08
Uh, supported and, uh, overall plan as as well as I mean. 00:33:11
The biggest thing that we have? 00:33:15
With that Burger King. 00:33:16
And it's not just purchasing by itself, it's most mostly advisory just to ensure that. 00:33:17
The traffic entering it isn't gonna be filling out any of. 00:33:22
Other areas like public streets for example. 00:33:26
Or, uh, or other people's private properties like usually when an age. 00:33:28
Uh, drive through like that goes into the queue. 00:33:33
Umm, the biggest impact that you typically have is. 00:33:36
Uh, uh, not those. 00:33:39
And so this combination of like access management. 00:33:41
As well as trip generation. 00:33:44
Confirmation. Yeah, maybe not a concern for Burger King. Umm, but In and Out Burger. 00:33:46
Oh yeah, yeah. 00:33:50
Oh yeah. 00:33:51
In a in and out there, I've I've I've learned to I I hit there like. 00:33:53
Or they watch. 00:33:57
Uh, I'm right over the launch person there now. 00:33:58
Sounds great. Thanks. 00:34:00
How long? How often? 00:34:02
Thank you. 00:34:05
How often will this be renewed? Uh, so the review. 00:34:05
Yeah, so the transaction, uh, the master plan. So this is a girl file. 00:34:09
Uh, and if I live by global funds, I would have to. 00:34:13
Uh, so, but uh. 00:34:16
The. 00:34:19
Are, uh, typically updated every 10 years. 00:34:20
Facilities plans are updated. 00:34:23
Every five years. 00:34:25
Last season? Every five years. Season. Yeah, every five years. 00:34:27
Uh impact fees, UH should be reviewed every year. 00:34:30
All that now so and why I say that every year I got checked. 00:34:34
Like, OK, umm, is it? Are we, are we living up to what we said? What are we doing? 00:34:38
You know, are we, are we actually still building these projects? 00:34:42
On the is the is the timing changing? 00:34:45
Uh, on that, usually the timing doesn't retain too much, but it's here, especially inflation. 00:34:48
Didn't you know that we have a heavy inflation? The capital is always planned to be charged every five years. 00:34:52
Again, are you, are we, are we done every five years because. 00:34:57
We're like, are we, you know? 00:35:01
What do you need? 00:35:03
And the translation match plan, usually every 10 years. 00:35:04
If you have. 00:35:07
Then you always have your triggers like if you have it. 00:35:08
Uh, a a large change in my use. 00:35:10
And the upper area area. 00:35:14
Yeah. And you're like, OK, does our translation match mine doesn't master plan. 00:35:16
OK, all of our master plan. 00:35:20
Do they? Are they still valid? 00:35:22
You know, because we. 00:35:24
Because now we have a change of land use. 00:35:25
Everything may not include. We may not have been accounting for. 00:35:27
Uh, all that like, you know my. 00:35:31
Mother-in-law or my wife's hometown? 00:35:33
Uh, still don't have the traffic signal there yet. 00:35:36
But uh. 00:35:39
If they get in an operator, I'm sure they'll have to do this right. 00:35:40
Umm, that's, uh, their master plans. 00:35:43
What does that occur? And magic finds does not support? 00:35:46
So then we have to redo their master plan. 00:35:48
Uh, so that would be. 00:35:51
Again, rule of thumb. 00:35:52
OK. 00:35:54
Uh, a couple questions. 00:35:56
So the active transportation plan. 00:35:57
Is simply separate from this transportation plan. I imagine there's plenty of cross references and. 00:36:00
To each other. 00:36:06
Correct. Yes. 00:36:07
And so even though we're. 00:36:08
Doesn't specifically say. 00:36:10
This is how you bike through our community. 00:36:12
The road winds and the bike lanes. 00:36:14
Are all included, Yeah. So we do, we do accounts for that. For example, the procession we suggested cross sessions we put in 00:36:16
there, we made sure that uh we have our sales engine. 00:36:21
The the, uh consultant that worked on it. 00:36:25
Uh, you know, they identify where they are. 00:36:28
Transportation. 00:36:31
As you know, as far as. 00:36:32
Here planners on there in their new. 00:36:34
It does provide a very good, uh, strength enough. 00:36:37
OK. 00:36:39
That's a federal flight towards planners. 00:36:41
Umm. 00:36:45
Do does this. 00:36:45
Consider. 00:36:47
Emerging technologies. 00:36:48
And new transportation trends that we're seeing. 00:36:50
For instance, other vehicles. 00:36:53
Bye bye. 00:36:54
Very popular. And vineyard. Umm, it would be. 00:36:56
I I think if we just. 00:36:59
Didn't address those at all for the uptick in. 00:37:01
Other all terrain vehicles that are used on maybe an appropriate train. Yeah. So back to transportation, but I never really 00:37:04
borrowed that active transportation plan on that. The transportation national plan is. 00:37:10
Especially in the state of Utah is very high like specific. 00:37:15
To ensure that it's a vehicle or vehicle driven. 00:37:19
How about umm and like for example, Florida? 00:37:22
Are we at our mobility, not your plan? 00:37:25
Did include business. 00:37:27
The golf carts in Florida. 00:37:29
Uh, you know, riding on alligators as well down the canal. Wonderful. 00:37:31
Umm, you can write on. 00:37:35
Deer here, so. 00:37:37
Uh, the the reason I say that is I wanna make sure there's. 00:37:38
Very clear expectation. 00:37:42
That the transportation planning. 00:37:45
Isn't necessarily to guide. 00:37:46
Behavior is to guide the infrastructure that we're installing. That's correct. And then you can then we do try to help. 00:37:49
Uh, steer behavior a little bit in terms of uh. 00:37:55
The other documents that. 00:37:59
Uh, traffic comedy, the access management and the impact. 00:38:01
Sorry, that's why they are separate documents though. 00:38:04
OK. 00:38:08
Umm and 2nd this is not. 00:38:09
An element of the general plan. This is not the transportation element. 00:38:10
This is a plan that again. 00:38:14
Is generated. 00:38:16
That element, yeah, like I said, uh. 00:38:18
Planned plan and works for. 00:38:20
We're working so this is. 00:38:22
OK, this is a planning body. 00:38:24
So. 00:38:26
Umm is parking considered or addressed? 00:38:27
And any part of this, this is not a very parking plan. 00:38:30
OK. 00:38:33
This is just a great transportation. 00:38:34
OK. 00:38:36
Alright, so. 00:38:39
And the reason it is not included. 00:38:41
Is things related to parking policy are. 00:38:43
That are are more appropriate for a municipal code and design standards. 00:38:46
Rather than. 00:38:50
VIP Infrastructure. 00:38:51
And I can, I can answer that. Umm, so we're currently working, umm. 00:38:53
Umm with Ave. consultants. 00:38:58
Umm on the parking master plan? 00:39:00
So that's and there's a focus. 00:39:03
Has been on in. 00:39:05
5th chair, is it done? 00:39:06
Umm, multiple counts at peak hours for different neighborhoods. We're seeing congestion. 00:39:08
Part of the kind of the end result of that plan will be providing recommendations. 00:39:12
To umm, kind of right size the code so that the code. 00:39:17
Umm captures the. 00:39:21
It's kind of kind of the true essence of what the parking demand will be per use, per financial by parking strategy. So that's 00:39:23
something that we're working and that that'll also kinda coincide. 00:39:27
If the transformation match brand, that's sort of like the central plan and a lot of these break off of that. 00:39:31
Excellent. 00:39:37
Yeah, yeah. 00:39:37
Umm, the the main reason I just wanted to. 00:39:38
Bring that up. 00:39:41
Is as. We then move this forward. 00:39:43
To us reviewing it and then to council as well, I think it's important to establish what it is and what it isn't and what the 00:39:46
intent. 00:39:50
Is because. 00:39:54
I may look at this and say, oh, it has to do with cars. Here's all the issues I do with cars. 00:39:55
And we might wanna say. 00:39:59
That's not necessarily the purpose of it. And so, umm, with that, I would request just on future meetings that slides like this, 00:40:01
please be included in the agenda packet. 00:40:05
So we can at least familiarize ourselves with it prior to the agenda. I apologize. Uh, I mean, part of the reason I was out for 00:40:10
us, uh, today is I was. 00:40:14
Did you spot Spanish stuff as it it was? 00:40:18
Driving over here. 00:40:21
Oh, OK, bye. 00:40:22
That's fine. 00:40:23
OK umm, those are my questions. 00:40:24
Umm. 00:40:27
OK. 00:40:30
Transportation master plan. 00:40:31
And take arts and rest. 00:40:34
Recreation master plan. 00:40:36
Other master plan. 00:40:38
Our main discrete plans. 00:40:41
How much coordination? 00:40:45
It's done Connect. 00:40:47
So different master plans. 00:40:49
Take care. Yeah, So that's a good question. And now. 00:40:52
So uh, yeah. So that's all depends on. 00:40:55
Uh, which plan comes first? 00:40:58
So forth. Uh yeah, for the worst. You like? 00:40:59
To meet in front and get our match plans done for us so everyone has to follow up. 00:41:02
I think that's what that's why you do it. 00:41:06
For us at least, uh, but uh, for example, when we did the taxation as plan. 00:41:08
We we provide all the master plans that we have. 00:41:12
Uh, to the consultant, uh, specifically for railway and we, we need, uh, provide, uh. 00:41:15
Umm, uh, this one. Actually, we started this one before we started our utility, our utility match plans, our plan. 00:41:22
So, uh, when we start working on our utility, uh, plan. 00:41:29
We provide our expectation draft plans. 00:41:33
Master plan draft like when we were just generating the models and the and the. 00:41:36
Uh, future projections. 00:41:40
Uh, we provide those to our heat, uh, water security consult. 00:41:42
So they were able to kind of balance it out like, OK. 00:41:46
You know, uh, like I already said back in the. 00:41:49
Umm, and look, I can't remember. Oh my God. Uh. 00:41:52
Uh, fuel returns as you build it. They will come to build the road. They will come. So therefore. 00:41:56
You have to make sure that, uh, if you're building route, if you have the utilities, large sewage to support that. 00:42:01
Uh as well. 00:42:06
Uh, again, if you build a park. 00:42:07
Yeah, we, we, uh, we do. We do need a Rd. 00:42:09
On there, So when we were kind of, uh, so we were working using on. 00:42:12
To transportation master plan even though there was not parked master plan in place of the time. 00:42:16
To use the general plan as a guide, as a guiding document. 00:42:20
Which would have a uh. 00:42:23
Uh, kind of like elements for parks. 00:42:26
Uh, we, uh. 00:42:28
Like from the downtown area, we the. 00:42:31
The site plans or uh, such like that and concepts of those. 00:42:34
That were in place. 00:42:39
We assure that our consultants have that we reached out to. 00:42:40
Are the stakeholders the main developers? 00:42:43
On the downtown area, the Forge, etcetera. 00:42:46
Yeah, sure. That we were capturing. 00:42:49
Uh, the land that kind of land uses as well, as much as we could. 00:42:51
Uh, on that. 00:42:55
But uh. 00:42:57
Again, hopefully that answers your question. 00:42:59
And of course the reason I asked is because. 00:43:02
All of the master plan. 00:43:04
One way or another. 00:43:07
Affect each other. 00:43:08
Got you. 00:43:11
Oh, that's good question. 00:43:12
OK. Thank you. 00:43:15
Umm, I'm going to. 00:43:16
Go ahead and ask if there's any members of the public that have any comments or questions. 00:43:19
About this workshop and so the time is now yours to come up, introduce yourself and. 00:43:23
Let's hear it. 00:43:28
Hi, I'm David Louray from Holy Rd. 00:43:32
So so. 00:43:35
Umm, question for. 00:43:36
On the agenda? 00:43:39
Far South, uh. 00:43:40
I understand that we're, uh, we're. 00:43:43
They probably didn't talk about that. 00:43:44
Is there any? Is there any information available to find out when that? 00:43:47
Connections wholly R. 00:43:50
Or the when the connection Florida South will be completed. 00:43:52
Between Main Street and where it terminates currently. 00:43:55
Umm, that's and then also umm. 00:43:58
We talked about, let's also talk about the reworking Holy Rd. as that whole intersection down there and that whole Rd. 00:44:01
Umm I even heard at one point they wanna make is why is that section? 00:44:07
Where we have in the front of him. 00:44:11
Elementary school there. 00:44:13
On that curve all the way across the other curve. That's way too wide there. 00:44:14
And so. 00:44:18
What size Rd. are we considering there and then? 00:44:19
Also, are we going to align the the exit from the? 00:44:22
The parking lot there at the. 00:44:25
At the OR sports part they are with the uh with. 00:44:27
What's the that road that goes right right next to the uh. 00:44:30
The school which is going to be servicing a A. 00:44:34
A large church here shortly. 00:44:37
Uh, wondering, uh, what that's gonna look like and how it's gonna happen and what's the time frame for that? 00:44:39
So any information about that I could get would be really helpful. 00:44:45
Thank you. 00:44:48
Thanks. 00:44:48
Umm, I wanna hear all the questions. 00:44:51
And then we'll be adjusting them to staff, so. 00:44:53
OK, alright. 00:44:58
So just a question on traffic calming, do we? 00:45:03
Request that through the Planning Commission or do we? 00:45:06
Request that through the City Council or request it through the online system. 00:45:10
We have UH-400. 00:45:16
425 N and 110 E, which is right across the street from the entrance to. 00:45:18
To Vineyard Grove Park. 00:45:24
We have a truck. 00:45:27
As you come in from the Grove Park. 00:45:29
We have a truck. 00:45:31
Is parked on the north. 00:45:32
No, I'm sorry. 00:45:36
Check this out east corner. 00:45:37
And if. 00:45:40
Gotta be illegal because he's right there on that corner. 00:45:42
I I wanted to see a stop sign there. 00:45:47
But where they put the stop sign? 00:45:50
Is on 425 N. 00:45:52
Uh, so that. 00:45:56
The traffic coming in off of. 00:45:57
The minor arterial. 00:46:00
They have free freedom to go around. 00:46:02
And we have to stop on 425 N. 00:46:05
Which is fine what we do. 00:46:08
The kids on electric. 00:46:10
Numbers do not. 00:46:12
And that truck? 00:46:14
It's sitting right there. 00:46:15
And I've seen. 00:46:17
Mrs. 00:46:21
Where these chairs works? 00:46:22
Coming so fast on their electric vehicles. 00:46:23
That part coming in cannot see them. 00:46:26
And so either. 00:46:29
We have to. 00:46:31
Red line, red, pink. 00:46:32
That corner so that no cars parked there. 00:46:34
They can't even see me. 00:46:37
Coming out of 425 N because of. 00:46:38
That vehicle, it's, it's always a large truck. 00:46:41
Mm-hmm. 00:46:44
And a lot of people in that house. 00:46:45
There, there's no. 00:46:48
They can't park their vehicles on the 110 coming in. It's red, painted red, painted red and I'm. 00:46:50
I need to check again the fire hydrant that's right there. 00:46:55
On the other side of the street needs to be painted red tooth on nobody's parking. 00:46:58
Parking there. So who's in charge of? 00:47:03
Red paint. 00:47:07
And they varies, yeah. 00:47:08
Thank you. 00:47:10
Thank you. 00:47:11
OK. 00:47:13
There's no others. 00:47:15
All right, I want to address all those items. 00:47:18
So. 00:47:20
I'm gonna end. 00:47:21
With the question about 400,000. 00:47:23
That's what was written in the agenda. We're gonna end with that one because I imagine that would be a longer discussion. 00:47:25
First specific request. 00:47:29
Such as the one you spoke about at Growth Part 425? 00:47:32
What do we do with stop signs or red curves? Something in order to address that? 00:47:35
I the. 00:47:39
Method that is set up its first contact staff. 00:47:41
So. 00:47:44
The folks that are over at the table there. 00:47:45
Would be the first people that you talk to. 00:47:46
If I'm characteristic of them? 00:47:49
For some reason you aren't getting anywhere. 00:47:51
That's when you would go to a body like. 00:47:53
Or the City Council. Or the city manager. 00:47:56
And just say hey. 00:47:58
I tried to call on the team, but you just talked about Burger King the whole time. I need some other action. 00:47:59
That's when that would occur. 00:48:04
So umm, I think specifics like that unless the team object. 00:48:06
He would be the first person that you contact. 00:48:09
Correct. 00:48:12
Right, Correct. Yeah. 00:48:13
Alright. 00:48:14
And he's made a note of everything you said. 00:48:15
And we'll follow up. 00:48:17
On some of the items. 00:48:18
So if you could maybe exchange just some contact information after the meeting? 00:48:19
I think that would be important. 00:48:23
OK, umm. 00:48:25
Regarding your projects, umm Holdaway Rd. as well as the alignment of the road. 00:48:27
4th part umm that overall missing if you could just take. 00:48:31
2 seconds. 00:48:35
Uh, to talk about what the plan for those roads. 00:48:36
Are, uh, I I'm listed so much. 00:48:39
Yeah, and if it helps to pull up the. 00:48:43
Maybe mortgage or cash flow. Alright, got you. I had a map of uh, his, uh, definitely California, uh, contacting you for. 00:48:45
Uh, usually with. 00:48:53
Cars are parked illegally and air attachments to the Sheriff's Office of the drop off. 00:48:54
That's to give our like on this thing that that's the first offline. 00:48:58
Let's place where it was placed right there because of the. 00:49:02
Because of the existing driveway there. So, uh, unfortunately we cannot go to stop signs and. 00:49:05
Almost driveway. 00:49:09
I don't have one, but the first office is definitely a good. 00:49:10
Uh, for you and I can have you. 00:49:14
Conversation. 00:49:15
Because I'm sure there's other things you can do. 00:49:16
Oh, no. OK. 00:49:18
Yeah, yeah. 00:49:21
So yeah, the Sheriff's Office is definitely a uh. 00:49:22
Would be the one that. 00:49:25
Uh will be contacted for that. 00:49:26
We have a good we, we typically don't do web marketing around quarters and interstructions. 00:49:31
But we can. 00:49:36
Well, yeah, but, uh, so. 00:49:38
I I I encourage for this. 00:49:40
Specific there, maybe have that conversation offline, but I you're talking to the right person there. 00:49:42
Cool. And the sheriff. 00:49:47
So. 00:49:48
Going on and actually, uh, so I'll hit like 5 parts for us. So I parked. We actually do have a plan in place. 00:49:49
There's a design for that. 00:49:55
Uh, we've been working with Saveurum. 00:49:57
Uh, before. 00:49:59
Two years. 00:50:02
Uh, Morgan maybe, yeah. 00:50:03
Two years. 00:50:05
Found out, uh, and we're working with our partner Mountain Association of Government. 00:50:06
Uh, we got funding, we got about 800 ish. 00:50:10
Thousands of dollars of funding. 00:50:13
Uh, federal funding? 00:50:15
Uh, working through there. This is a. 00:50:17
Uh, this is the design. 00:50:19
From cost or who's been working on that? 00:50:22
Umm and uh, it evolved this particular intersection involved to have the traffic signaling out. 00:50:24
On that, we've, uh, we've worked for the safeguard in order to try to. 00:50:29
Uh, uh, in terms of. 00:50:33
Bike, uh, doing bike lanes because they can very. 00:50:34
Uh have a high desire bike lanes and the city has a much higher. 00:50:37
Desire to have bicycle lane. 00:50:42
Uh, along there. 00:50:44
Umm, so this is where we came down to. So we do have a plan in action. 00:50:46
Uh, it is. 00:50:50
Construction ready plan. 00:50:51
Umm and we do have a meeting with Malcolm Associates Government on Monday afternoon. 00:50:53
Uh, to talk to them about additional funds. 00:50:58
To help accommodate the additional requirements that were put into. 00:51:00
As well. And not only that, but. 00:51:05
On that, this is, uh, Center St. Uh, we're in, uh, Gamma Park right there and it's not crossing the center St. about improving 00:51:07
that intersection much better than what we did. 00:51:11
Uh, sometimes we do band aids. We don't like band aids, but we do it. 00:51:16
This one has an overhead hawk. 00:51:19
Which is a high intensity light. 00:51:21
Flashing. 00:51:24
Uh, and improve the crosswalk. 00:51:25
Uh, a lot better here to provide for. 00:51:27
Ada access. 00:51:31
Uh, so moving the retaining wall, but not just that, but connecting it and right now you get to the fund and you just have. 00:51:32
Stop and it connected into the cell system. 00:51:39
So, uh, again. 00:51:41
This is underneath the same project. 00:51:44
On that SO. 00:51:46
The construction timeline. 00:51:47
UH likely would be next construction season. 00:51:49
Uh, but we expect it to be awarded this construction season. 00:51:52
And move forward. 00:51:55
I would expect. 00:51:57
So umm, does that answer the questions on like 5? 00:51:59
Talked about Holdaway Road and the lining the road at Sports Park. 00:52:03
OK. 00:52:06
This is a This is alignment for the sports part. 00:52:07
OK. 00:52:09
40,008. 00:52:10
That's right. 00:52:12
Umm, if there are. 00:52:13
Future ones, I encourage you. 00:52:14
Umm, continue that conversation. 00:52:16
The title of the work session was 400 S Roadway Extension. I understand why. 00:52:18
We talked about the transportation plan. 00:52:23
That was technically in. 00:52:25
The public hearing that was noticed, but because there was no action, we had to continue it. 00:52:27
I imagine he just proved the transportation that was. 00:52:32
The presentation that was for that item. 00:52:35
Into this month so we could all go at least here. 00:52:37
Umm, again? 00:52:42
Off of 5 to the 4th. 00:52:43
Uh, uh, sorry. That's OK. The picture. 00:52:45
But moving on to, uh, this, uh, overview, uh, quick overview, development agreement, hallway field developers. 00:52:49
This is the point of National as part of that development agreement. 00:52:55
Uh, con connection for yourself to be done. 00:52:58
During the at the phase two portion of, uh, that project, umm. 00:53:01
Before our S railway connection uh is to master existing connection of the whole way Rd. longer South and the last point. 00:53:06
Part of it is that they provide class self-defense. 00:53:12
By the government agreement above. 00:53:15
The developers requirements. 00:53:17
Of the road. 00:53:19
Of our end developers, the farmers of the railways is. 00:53:20
Lingerie. Crustacean impact building. 00:53:22
Uh, to determine what? 00:53:25
The requirements is. 00:53:27
With the requirements that they they need in order to sustain their development. 00:53:28
Uh. 00:53:32
OK. 00:53:35
Alright, I'll talk to you. Bye. 00:53:37
Oh, no, thank you. 00:53:38
Yeah. So the development agreement. 00:53:39
This is with the development agreement holders field develop. 00:53:41
A connection for 400 S will be done at UH during at the time of the whole wave field Phase 2. 00:53:45
Before her S railway connections and matched the existing intersection of Holy Rood, the Florence South. 00:53:52
The city provides funds for a better rent agreement. 00:53:58
Or anything above and beyond or what the developer needs. 00:54:00
It's just down there. 00:54:04
Thanks for the bye bye. 00:54:05
Uh, we talked, uh, one thing. The transportation master plan will be reviewed. 00:54:08
Is is shell? 00:54:12
On the far, uh, foreign soft connection, uh. 00:54:14
On the the very bottom. 00:54:18
Of it right there. 00:54:19
That goes, uh. 00:54:20
There are those stories shown on our transportation rash, finally. 00:54:22
Uh, other other railway, uh, that's. 00:54:26
That supports the growth of the city. 00:54:29
And this is out for two. 00:54:33
20 twent, uh, 23rd Excuse me? 00:54:34
Uh, we looked at the again we were talking about. 00:54:38
Uh, cross actions. 00:54:40
Uh, this cross section here is for a full, uh, corner of South Pole right away cross section. 00:54:42
Where we'll hire South Carolina. 00:54:47
Corn E Washington Eastward is a three line Rd. 00:54:49
Two cars center lane. 00:54:52
For a timeline and then. 00:54:54
Uh, unfortunately no room for practical to. 00:54:55
Three uh 400 S Farm West. 00:54:59
From all the way Rd. with the. 00:55:01
A2 Lane Rd. 00:55:04
Go center lane. 00:55:07
And, uh, bicycle lanes on both sides, that trail on one side and start walking off the side. 00:55:08
Bye on that. 00:55:13
Well, so that is what uh, and again, we. 00:55:15
We are we. 00:55:19
Uh, took, uh, we took, uh, we took this to the address. 00:55:20
As this translation Commission. 00:55:24
We receive feedback after transportation information that we incorporate those. 00:55:26
Make sure that uh. 00:55:29
We're not just a long time master plan. 00:55:31
The gentleman would not ever align to our general plans, but we're also allowed to. 00:55:34
Yeah, now what? 00:55:38
Uh, uh, the feedback. 00:55:39
Uh, 2 1/2 feet buffer standard. 00:55:42
Between drive lanes and bike lanes. OK for now. 00:55:46
That's that's not we just wanted to make sure that we were providing us. 00:55:48
Buffer room around standard is usually shorter than that. It's about and 1/2. 00:55:52
Yes, yeah. 00:55:58
So. 00:56:00
So uh, this is foreign S at 65 took. 00:56:04
Uh, right away. This is the right away that. 00:56:07
At the intersection. 00:56:10
Of uh of far South and Holy Rd. 00:56:12
Now so again when you get to hold the road. 00:56:15
Uh, it's kind of like. 00:56:19
Westbound UH Florida South and get the whole Railway Rd. 00:56:19
About the across the. 00:56:22
Oh, excuse me. 00:56:25
Uh, rather, uh, the cloud session with support. 00:56:27
Uh, pipelines on both sides and. 00:56:31
Uh, vehicle, uh in the middle with minus the. 00:56:34
Uh, monitor. 00:56:37
Uh, center line. 00:56:39
So on one side side walking down on the South side. So the north side must have the trail. 00:56:40
And the foul size must have by walk. 00:56:45
Uh. And then uh. 00:56:48
And then of course, the, uh, kind of following on our water conservation plan. 00:56:50
Uh, trying to reduce. 00:56:54
Park strip, uh, that are. 00:56:56
Uh yeah, I got this. Too small to support our strip. 00:57:00
We're trying to ensure that. 00:57:03
Hold on. Again, I'm kind of going back to our. 00:57:04
Bye now. Making sure we're reviewing our plans, kind of buying to our plans and that's the most important thing making. 00:57:06
Uh, ver doing variances, that makes sense as well. 00:57:13
Uh, this is a section right Where, uh, there's a 51st section for, uh, an area with a 50 foot right away. 00:57:17
Uh, so we. 00:57:24
We would have. 00:57:26
Uh, again. 00:57:27
Ensuring that we're maintaining the bike land. 00:57:29
Uh, we have two, uh, two lines of traffic. 00:57:31
Minus a fairway, we share that we are maintaining the bike lane. 00:57:33
And when we get to the point where? 00:57:36
We're reducing the parts. 00:57:38
We're eliminating the parts of yourself. You got it. 00:57:40
This is a small section along their corridor. 00:57:42
On there and actually lines up. 00:57:45
We're, uh, a future park and then. 00:57:47
I do have, uh, an overview. 00:57:50
As well. So I'm sure what we're trying to do is we're. 00:57:52
From maintaining. 00:57:55
The infrastructure that matters. 00:57:57
That's just the way, uh, 400 S as it goes westward. 00:57:59
Into the hole I feel with the velvet. 00:58:03
Uh, we look at the land use. 00:58:05
The road, it was made, uh, previously. 00:58:07
Authorized arterial Rd. 00:58:10
Uh, we. 00:58:12
Look at the brand use and we're and. 00:58:13
Is changed to a. 00:58:16
Uh, Collector Rd. 00:58:17
Minor quarter Rd. 00:58:19
Which allows us to repair. 00:58:20
You know we don't. 00:58:22
Need to do. 00:58:23
Infrastructure that's. 00:58:25
Not to be an officer like that, because it doesn't. It doesn't compliment the language. 00:58:27
Is that you know you're driving into a residential area. 00:58:32
The the, uh, we're not losing volume. 00:58:36
Uh, our flow remains the same. We looked at the future build out of diarrhea, the flows. 00:58:39
The F the flows remain unendered. 00:58:44
The uh, the volume remains UNH unhindered. 00:58:46
And so we're looking at. 00:58:50
Uh, ensuring that we're providing. 00:58:52
The infrastructure support. 00:58:54
The the cars. And not just the cars, but the bicycles and the pedestrians as well. 00:58:56
Uh, on that. 00:59:01
I do have. 00:59:03
Umm. All right again, this is uh. 00:59:04
I have a last minute. This is the four. This is the. 00:59:08
Business out. 00:59:11
Uh, Exhibit Exhibit 400 S as the connect. 00:59:13
To Hallway Rd. 00:59:16
Uh, right here. 00:59:18
Uh, as it goes. 00:59:20
What, uh, westbound This is a uh, this is a uh. 00:59:21
Future roundabout here. 00:59:25
Uh, this is a piece, uh, round about here. This is the future park. 00:59:28
Right. 00:59:32
About Hirsch, I'm Again, this is Amos does not act as a. 00:59:32
Scientifically accurate that this is here the park. I believe it. 00:59:37
Yeah, this is the PDF. 00:59:42
My myopia. 00:59:43
Are you doing anything? 00:59:45
Hi there. I don't know, let me see. 00:59:49
Uh, you want. 00:59:53
You want the crossing or do you want the? 00:59:56
All right, let me see. Let me try that again. Sorry. 01:00:00
Uh. 01:00:04
Uh, which intersection I talked to? 01:00:08
Uh, you probably have to talk to him, like, I'm sorry. 01:00:10
Goodbye. 01:00:13
I'll, I'll, I'll just restate it. 01:00:14
Umm, I have a question. What's the point of that intersection? 01:00:15
Sorry, what transaction is this? 01:00:19
The this one here. 01:00:21
Of the ones that are shown there, the roundabout there, and then also the one that's to the right. 01:00:22
So this is a net block crossing. I apologize. So, uh, this is a park right here, uh. 01:00:27
My future heart is right here. 01:00:32
And so we have a. 01:00:34
Uh, so. 01:00:36
With parts, uh, we umm. 01:00:37
Excuse me, Edwards, uh, Park. 01:00:40
I have having a crossing apart. 01:00:42
Uh provide for uh for two, two days. 01:00:44
At the entrance of the park on westbound. 01:00:48
That wanna provide, uh, obviously safe access with the upper. 01:00:50
Uh, people, kids and so forth. Families. 01:00:54
But also. 01:00:56
Yeah, I'm sorry. And then also provide also establishes. 01:00:57
Product of a. 01:01:01
Uh, of the corridor and the The corridor is the park area. 01:01:03
As well and more heavily down. 01:01:06
I think that's perfect. I, I, I don't know anyone that would be opposed to that crosswalk, pedestrian access to the park. We just 01:01:08
needed clarification that that was a. 01:01:12
Pedestrian access rather than vehicle. 01:01:16
Yeah, I'm sorry I was there if you. 01:01:19
Uh, I I just need clarity on this. 01:01:21
Crosswalk. 01:01:24
Oh yeah, I'm sorry, yeah this is a cross walking mountain and not a Rd. 01:01:26
This is not where I'm going anywhere. I apologize for that. 01:01:29
And then we were talking about the, uh, the section. 01:01:32
Uh, this year is a 65 foot cross section. 01:01:36
Yeah, 65 foot cross section. 01:01:39
Uh, the importance about the cross reference too that, uh, comes. 01:01:41
Umm. 01:01:45
My first presentation we talked about. 01:01:47
Umm, uh. 01:01:51
Scientists, uh is trying to access management cycles. 01:01:51
So forth. That's her up, uh, on that. 01:01:55
Part of the cross section, especially in the intersection. 01:01:57
Our sight distance, uh. 01:02:00
Requirements. 01:02:02
Does come into play. 01:02:03
You might be, uh, you might come through where? 01:02:04
Umm, I I'm saying this is a general statement topic. Uh, nothing where you come to an intersection like. 01:02:08
Hi this annotation is very large and very big. 01:02:13
But then. 01:02:15
The requirements for that would be because of the car, uh on the Major Rd. 01:02:16
The major roads usually where they're not on. 01:02:22
The the few of the cars of your cross traffic. 01:02:24
The amount the lands that you're TR, the liens that you're uh. 01:02:26
Not just that, but the line is the road. 01:02:30
Note that it all comes. 01:02:32
Comes into a background so wonderful, uh, sometimes when you look at. 01:02:34
Can I? Yeah. 01:02:38
Do we need to make the process intersection bigger? 01:02:40
You can you can you do the calculation? Say what is the introspection? 01:02:42
Umm, uh. 01:02:46
Size that we need in order to ensure that we're able. 01:02:48
Sure. Uh, you need all those money. 01:02:51
Because if you do a. 01:02:52
Uh, sometimes you do an intersection where? 01:02:54
For just the space you need like. 01:02:57
And you know, forgive me, I do. I do like, I do like Wi-Fi. 01:02:59
Each token up too much. 01:03:03
Then you gave it to the point where you're obstructing. 01:03:04
Uh, type, distance and visibility. 01:03:07
And you're creating a a hazard. 01:03:10
By when you're thinking what you think that, uh. 01:03:12
You're trying to solve one problem, but you could. 01:03:15
You go back to. 01:03:17
Open up several other problems on the road. 01:03:18
So as much as much as I do with my prior Tuesday. 01:03:20
We're paying up some, uh, intersections with the road. 01:03:23
By, you know, a little twitch on my, uh, my sister. 01:03:26
It's all over the back. 01:03:29
Uh, on that. So so This is why we we do play, we do say that we do play into the side distance for these roads is. 01:03:31
Is there any other major thing? 01:03:37
Did you find out reducing the speed of the road as it goes westbound? 01:03:39
Uh, and because again, we're, we're classifying this is. 01:03:43
The land use not. 01:03:46
A collector. 01:03:48
Uh, at the landing system residential area. 01:03:50
It's not here for people who drive slow. 01:03:52
And but providing cars. 01:03:55
They're going to maneuver and see and. 01:03:57
Especially for other pediatricians. 01:03:59
Is something we want to do. 01:04:01
Which also plays into this. 01:04:02
Crosswalk around Midwalk Crossing. 01:04:04
We can have the crossing at the intersection at this front about this, of course there will be. 01:04:06
But. 01:04:10
Umm, we can find out that. 01:04:11
Is sometimes there is a 10 day 2. 01:04:14
Across the roundabout, when you do have some new cars driving by, we did. 01:04:16
To their flashers at the roundabout. 01:04:19
And the same. 01:04:21
Uh, Center St. before the new choices we've been built. 01:04:24
Uh, on that as a, as a kind of test, it's. 01:04:26
We'll we'll love it so far as we think phenomenal, but. 01:04:30
That is. 01:04:33
About a. 01:04:34
4550 thousand dollar. 01:04:38
Uh, just for the process. 01:04:40
And, uh, so. 01:04:42
But we want to make sure we do things. 01:04:44
As far as, you're fine. 01:04:46
So we don't we so we're not finding out the other slashes here. 01:04:47
Verifying identifying the flashes here. 01:04:51
On that. So, uh, was there any other questions? I appreciate that. Thank you. 01:04:53
Umm. I also appreciate that as the road continues and it becomes more narrow, that accomplishes. 01:04:58
Speed control. 01:05:05
Uh, you, you automatically are gonna slow down when the road becomes more narrow. 01:05:06
But also less infrastructure to maintain. 01:05:10
Means less. 01:05:14
To maintain. 01:05:15
And. 01:05:16
Less taking away from private property, which could then go on the tax roll to pay for that maintaining. 01:05:17
So overall, I think that's very wise infrastructure planning. 01:05:23
So thank you for that. 01:05:26
Umm, members of the Commission, any questions about 400 S? 01:05:28
Alright, I do just want to, uh, can I? He wasn't able to either, but, uh, Patrick James. 01:05:33
Umm, my, this is the thing you know he did. Umm. 01:05:38
Lots and lots of work on both. 01:05:41
The translation master plan. The other documents. 01:05:42
As well as, uh, these documents, uh. 01:05:44
Their planners take their help. 01:05:47
A bit without it does help quite a bit as well. 01:05:49
Your proper chance for 100%. 01:05:52
I know, but uh yeah. 01:05:54
Appreciate that. Thank you. Bye, bye. 01:05:57
Lastly, before moving on, I. 01:05:59
I there's a couple comments. 01:06:01
That I have this. 01:06:03
And I hope the. 01:06:05
Minutes can reflect this. 01:06:06
And I'm so sorry. 01:06:07
Umm, within the same agenda item this 400 S roadway extension we really have. 01:06:09
To discussion. 01:06:14
There's a way that we could. 01:06:17
Take our first discussion about the Transportation Master Plan and have that within the public hearing. 01:06:18
Even though there's the preference of there was no public hearing. 01:06:24
Just for ways of organization as we go back to this, because they really are two separate items. 01:06:27
Yeah, I put that between the work session line and. 01:06:32
400 cents. Wonderful. Thank you for doing that. 01:06:37
Alright. 01:06:40
Now I'd like to open up to the public about. 01:06:41
400,000. 01:06:43
Just come up to the mic. 01:06:46
Thanks, it's it's been really helpful. 01:06:51
Information has been given so far, I appreciate it very much. 01:06:52
We have a timeline on. 01:06:55
Warner S. Will we continue all the way through till. 01:06:57
To Main Street now we opened up traffic. 01:07:00
Through traffic. 01:07:02
Wonderful. Thanks. 01:07:02
Umm, are there any other questions? 01:07:05
Alright. 01:07:07
Closing public comment. 01:07:08
What's your timeline? 01:07:09
The same on when a lot of this work is gonna be done or will that be dictated by how fast the developer works around the 01:07:10
developer? I don't know if we have any feedback on that. Yeah, it's connected to the, uh, phase two of the development agreement 01:07:16
that was really important to the Planning Commission, City Council when they approved. 01:07:21
That it be connected to an earlier phase, at least just 7 or 8 phases in the overall project, so. 01:07:27
Umm, you know we're. 01:07:32
The hope is that we can we can see construction start start this year, but that does depend on the umm, the. 01:07:34
The the developer within Phase 2. 01:07:40
Umm, prior any certificate. 01:07:43
Because of occupancy for Phase 2. 01:07:44
Umm 400 S has to be connected from uh from Maine to Ho Holder Way Rd. umm in full prison and then later on. 01:07:46
From Main Street heading even further West to the Futures 300. 01:07:53
Umm, West. 01:07:57
Interaction, so they'll probably jump. 01:07:59
2 segments. 01:08:00
That's what it is, and since the developer is paying. 01:08:01
For the majority of this. 01:08:04
It depends on. 01:08:06
When they can. 01:08:07
Yeah, they're they're they're kind of big shopping and the city picks up anything that. 01:08:08
Is that brings it from what they need to to the collector so so the city will have some. 01:08:12
Go up and buy it naturally. 01:08:17
OK. 01:08:18
Excellent. 01:08:19
Umm, I was just gonna say they are gonna be moving soon on Phase 2. 01:08:21
For the project. 01:08:24
OK, wonderful. 01:08:25
But. 01:08:28
Short answer. 01:08:29
It won't be connected and complete. 01:08:31
Uh, until. 01:08:33
They want to get their. 01:08:34
Certificates of occupancy on those houses. 01:08:36
Wonderful. 01:08:39
Alright, I think. 01:08:42
That concludes item 63. 01:08:44
Item 63-B. 01:08:46
However, we wanna work that stuff. 01:08:47
Thank you for the team. 01:08:49
Uh, that moves on to item 6.4, Planning Commission attendance and. 01:08:51
Scheduling. 01:08:54
Umm staff, I don't know if you want to share anything or if I should just hop in. 01:08:55
What would you like? 01:08:59
Yeah, we, we just wanted to kind of go over. 01:09:02
Kind of expectations of of being on the Planning Commission of. 01:09:05
Umm, what, What attendance looks like right When we have some applications coming, uh, before the public, we wanna make sure that 01:09:08
we do have a quorum. There's been a few meetings over the past two weeks. 01:09:13
Umm, that That we. 01:09:18
Than having some issues whether people showing up late. 01:09:20
Or or whatnot. We just wanna figure out what what barriers we could try to remove on our end. 01:09:22
Umm, whether that's better communication. 01:09:26
Umm, what Madison has been trying to do is be emailing all of your, uh, the new utah.gov emails or personal emails and asking for 01:09:28
an RSVP so we know ahead of time. 01:09:33
That we're going to have a form. 01:09:37
Umm, but, but essentially umm the, the, the bylaws state that, that the Planning Commission. 01:09:39
Umm you can look up to I think 3 per year unless you like reach out most no in advance. 01:09:45
So. 01:09:49
Uh, that's the biggest thing on on my end. My biggest request is if you're not able to make it to. 01:09:50
I I guess we should take. 01:09:55
Or we expect people to be at the meeting unless they tell us otherwise. 01:09:56
Even if you're running late. 01:10:00
Please let us know, you can e-mail me or Madison, send us a text, whatever is easier. 01:10:01
That we know and and we can let let Nathan know the the chair. 01:10:06
Umm, kind of what's going on, but the the biggest thing is we really don't want to be holding up any kind of applications or the 01:10:10
public that do come. 01:10:12
Umm, yeah. 01:10:16
Yeah. And just really quick too, I mean, there's like the legal requirement that we have a client. 01:10:17
But projects. 01:10:21
And the discussion, like the kind of the healthy nature of discussion is better when we have everyone here. 01:10:23
And so, umm, you know, 5 is. 01:10:29
Awesome. But even the alternates we want everyone here. Typically in the work sessions the chair will allow. 01:10:31
See if the alternate season's not sitting to have a very active part of the dialogue because they're still in the condition so. 01:10:36
The more the merrier and. 01:10:42
It's gonna make planning much better in the city. Umm, as opposed to just three people. So. 01:10:44
Thank you. 01:10:50
Umm, one of the things that I, I want to have the Commission, I'll speak up on this. 01:10:51
Umm, I I did request. 01:10:55
This item because I have had concerns. 01:10:57
Uh, both in regards to attendance as well as punctuality, I want to understand. 01:11:00
But the the barriers are umm, at first I would say, well, does it help if we move the meeting out? 01:11:04
Uh, but it was brought to my attention that that actually comes to extra cost to the city. 01:11:12
Uh, with the the need to pay hourly staff. 01:11:17
Extra hours for that. 01:11:20
I don't think that's in any of our best interest, uh, but I do believe it is in the best interest of our community just to, uh, 01:11:22
professionalism of attendance and being on time. Umm, if you look at just all the meetings in 2025. 01:11:29
We are at 51% attendance. 01:11:36
That's enough. 01:11:39
And so I think we owe it to the community. 01:11:40
Umm, and frankly, to ourselves. 01:11:44
That we just. 01:11:46
Of that game. 01:11:47
Umm, that's all I want to say about that. 01:11:48
One one thing that just came into my mind that that we could do from our end. 01:11:52
Umm, we could maybe create a a little poll from the the staffing side that we sent out with the commissioners that asked. 01:11:55
Questions that are, you know, maybe people can submit ideas, but that way we can kind of get all the data from every commissioner 01:12:01
in one place and go from there with with some ideas. 01:12:05
Whether that is starting? 01:12:09
F6 if if everybody's working till 5 and they're hitting that rush hour traffic and. 01:12:11
The 630 start time works for. 01:12:15
You know, those that aren't showing up or those that are late. 01:12:17
You know, maybe that's something we we could. 01:12:20
Look more into. 01:12:21
Umm umm. One of the reasons I wanted this as. 01:12:23
Public setting is because we are a public body. I don't know. 01:12:26
O Offering our opinions on UH. 01:12:29
Poland was 100% his share. Umm, I've just the attorney or something like that. 01:12:31
Yeah. 01:12:36
Umm, and then. 01:12:37
Yeah, I mean. 01:12:40
They're in the agenda. Uh, you? 01:12:41
We cannot see, uh, the various attendance records. 01:12:43
Umm, I. 01:12:46
Just wanna reiterate, this is uh. 01:12:47
Privilege to serve. 01:12:49
Umm umm. 01:12:50
On on this body. 01:12:52
And I know there's lots of this community that would like the opportunity. 01:12:53
To offer their opinions and to have the positions that we do, and so we owe it to them. 01:12:56
Just to be able to show up on time and regularly. 01:13:02
Umm, likewise, uh, with staff. 01:13:05
Bye bye. 01:13:08
I'm so thankful for all the work that you do. 01:13:10
Umm, if you could please. 01:13:12
Just with agenda items. 01:13:14
Umm, don't put them on the agenda until they're already ready. 01:13:16
Umm, sometimes we hear from applicants. 01:13:20
I'll get it ready by Monday so we can have the hearing on Wednesday. 01:13:22
If they aren't complete. 01:13:26
By Thursday, when we published the agenda. 01:13:28
Push them to the next meeting. 01:13:30
Umm, there's been too many times where? 01:13:31
Some of us will. 01:13:33
Leave work early or get babysitters in order to make the meeting. 01:13:35
Only to them. 01:13:38
Oh, the applicant wasn't ready. 01:13:40
Umm, we need to. 01:13:42
In fact, the same amount of respect that I'm now asking all of us to offer as well. 01:13:44
And it's with respect to your own time. 01:13:49
We don't wanna waste yourself. 01:13:50
OK. OK. I have a thought or a question. Yeah, please. 01:13:52
Umm, there's just an idea, something to add. 01:13:56
I wonder about the need, obviously. 01:13:59
It depends on. 01:14:03
A growing city or not, but uh. 01:14:06
How many meters? 01:14:09
Are required, uh. 01:14:12
MMM, we need twice a month. 01:14:14
What are other cities doing? 01:14:16
And uh, are we kind of in line? Is is there a way to? 01:14:18
Increasingly, we need to do it once a week. 01:14:23
Maybe we need to do it once a month? 01:14:26
Yeah, it's usually standard for for every other week. 01:14:28
Umm, and, and we have been trying to be good if, if there are items that, that we aren't sending you a vote or anything like that, 01:14:31
that, that we will try to. 01:14:35
Umm, you know, personal work session to a following meeting so that we're not having a meeting for the sake of of having a 01:14:39
meeting. 01:14:42
Umm, but yeah, that. 01:14:45
2 * a month is pretty standard. 01:14:47
Hmm. And a lot of it has to do with, uh, what authority? 01:14:51
The Planning Commission has there's some committee that say. 01:14:54
They may have a City Council that says we want all the control, we want all the power. 01:14:57
I am grateful that we live in a community that says no. We want the Planning Commission to have some say on this instead of 01:15:01
absolutely everything going to the City Council. 01:15:05
So, umm, any other? 01:15:12
Comments are ready. 01:15:14
OK umm. One thing I. 01:15:17
Do have a question? 01:15:20
Would you say you do? 01:15:21
Here R. 01:15:23
Sufficiently. 01:15:27
Or could we up our game? I might just send that to Madison. I don't. 01:15:28
It it's hard because I, I just feel like there are some people that you tell me and then some people that do tell Madison and 01:15:31
maybe we don't communicate that well enough. 01:15:34
Umm, I don't know if that's here. 01:15:38
Thoughts on that too? 01:15:40
Yeah, umm, I feel like. 01:15:41
This week, umm. 01:15:43
Was the first I was reached out to about attendance, so all of the previous. 01:15:45
Umm attendance was discussed. 01:15:50
I hope so with cash. 01:15:52
Umm, and that is something that we. 01:15:54
Will uh up our game on with communication about it. 01:15:57
And in in violation of something if we. 01:16:02
Heaven forbid group. 01:16:05
Message or you know. 01:16:07
Yeah. So, so you should be getting at your at your venue of utah.gov e-mail, you should be getting the agenda sent out. 01:16:10
Umm, every time that we publish it on that. 01:16:16
Thursday before the meeting. 01:16:19
And included in that should be a meeting invite for the the Planning Commission meeting and if you just RFP. 01:16:20
Yes or no, or even maybe if if you're not sure. 01:16:26
Umm, that would just help us and that way we have kind of all of our CPS and in one spot. 01:16:28
Umm, but if it's the day of and you did say yes and stuck in fact or. 01:16:33
Yeah, sit at home or something. You can't make it. 01:16:37
You can send us a quick e-mail or text. That's totally acceptable too. Yeah. And I, I will say. 01:16:39
The expectation is that we're at everything. 01:16:44
Umm, if. 01:16:48
Staff doesn't hear from us one way or the other. They should be able to assume that you'll be here. 01:16:51
Uh, because that's what we all agreed to do. We all. 01:16:55
Uh, committed to do that. 01:16:58
So, umm, I'm hoping that we can. 01:17:00
See, I remember at least a little higher than 51%. 01:17:04
Going forward. 01:17:08
Umm, because? 01:17:09
I I think is the expectation. 01:17:11
OK. 01:17:13
Umm, thank you. 01:17:15
We'll see how that goes. At first I was wondering if we needed to revisit the calendar. 01:17:17
But hearing from the Commission. 01:17:21
I don't know if that's necessary. 01:17:23
Still 2 or twice a month. OK, there won't be any changes from. 01:17:26
From the two per month. 01:17:32
OK. 01:17:33
Wonderful. 01:17:35
OK. 01:17:36
Other comments. 01:17:38
Alright, thank you all for that. 01:17:40
Uh #7 is staffing Commission report. 01:17:42
Is there anything from the Commission worth reporting on or from staff? 01:17:44
That hasn't been discussed already. 01:17:48
Alright. 01:17:51
So I, I have one specifically on Planning Commission, but I, I just want to, I'm sure this is, uh, something that. 01:17:52
A lot of people are asking about the the construction on 600 N and Main St. 01:17:59
So, uh, it's continuing. 01:18:03
We have rejected paving. 01:18:05
The bidding date of June 28th. 01:18:06
And all that. There was some good essence. 01:18:09
He fell back to Onion and we're ensuring that all the everything's been fixed. 01:18:11
Before we put the onion back together. 01:18:15
So sometimes when you. 01:18:17
Remove outfoldings too. Things are wrong. 01:18:19
That's perfect. 01:18:22
So it's been delayed because of those reasons. 01:18:23
But it's, uh, June 20th is. 01:18:25
Our expected table day. 01:18:28
To get that fixed. 01:18:29
Great. Thank you. 01:18:31
Alright. 01:18:33
With that. 01:18:34
We will be. 01:18:36
A journey to. 01:18:37
What would technically be the? 01:18:39
July 2nd meeting. 01:18:41
But before we do. 01:18:43
We will be ha having that meeting. 01:18:45
I know that's 4th of July week so that's why I wanted to just confirm. Umm, it is currently scheduled on the approved calendar. 01:18:47
Umm that we. 01:18:52
So, umm, it is. 01:18:56
That way, correct? 01:18:58
So we'll plan for it here then there's no business. I will also be out of town. 01:18:59
Yeah. 01:19:04
OK, yeah, so why, why don't we send out an e-mail? 01:19:06
Because that that is, that is a tough one and we would do that in previous years. We have some complex so. 01:19:09
Yeah, yeah, July in general. A lot of cities go dark in July. 01:19:15
Stuff, Yeah, so. 01:19:21
Like around there? 01:19:22
So OK. 01:19:23
Wonderful. 01:19:25
Thank you everyone. With that, we will adjourn. 01:19:26
Bye. 01:19:30