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  • Call to Order   Vice-Chair Cris Johnson called the meeting to order at07am.  
  • Consent Items  1.Approval of the Augusth,25 Development Review Committee Meeting Minutes
  • Motion: SENIOR PLANNER CACHE HANCEY MOTIONED TO APPROVE THE AUGUSTh,25 DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES AT07AM. DEPUTY FIRE MARSHALL BRANDON VALLEY SECONDED. ALL IN FAVOR VOTED YES: HANCEY, JOHNSON, VALLEY, AND GHANDOUR. THE VOTE CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.   Business Items  1.
  • Utah City Parcel E Subdivision Plat E
  • Senior Planner Hancey presented the applications and provided an update on his review. He noted the vicinity map is off.
  • Public Works Director and City Engineer Naseem Ghandour discussed parcel E5 access and requested a condition.   Discussion ensued.
  • Bronson Tatton with Flagborough joined online.   Discussion about the parcels and access organization ensued.
  • Motion: SENIOR PLANNER HANCEY MOTIONED TO APPROVE ITEM1. WITH THE CONDITION OF DISSOLVING PARCEL E5 INTO ANOTHER PARCEL AT16AM. DEPUTY FIRE MARSHAL VALLEY SECONDED. ALL IN FAVOR VOTED YES: HANCEY, JOHNSON, AND VALLEY. ALL IN OPPOSITION VOTED NO: GHANDOUR. THE VOTE PASSED.  Work Session  1.
  • Utah City Temporary District Energy Site Plan Application
  • Senior Planner Hancey introduced the application.   Mr. Tatton discussed the site plan   Senior Planner Hancey asked how much larger are the permanent plants.   Mr. Tatton noted that they are smaller.
  • Vice-Chair Johnson asked about other pieces involved int the plan and how long it all takes to assemble.   Mr. Tatton responded saying yes and reference the other building in the elevations.   Vice-Chair Johnson asked about the building process.   Mr. Tatton added context.
  • Director Ghandour asked if there was a timeline for temporary.   Senior Planner Hancey noted that it would be considered permanent.   Mr. Tatton discussed the intent for progress.   Discussion ensued.
  • Director Ghandour had questions about circulation and shipments.   Mr. Tatton noted that it is pretty self-sufficient once it is built.
  • Deputy Fire Marshall Valley asked about security and safety.   Mr. Tatton noted that they are steel boxes but that they would look deeper into it.               Discussion ensued.
  • Senior Planner Hancey asked for the applicant to provide a case study for an idea of the plants.               Mr. Tatton said yes.
  • Senior Planner Hancey asked about parking.   Mr. Tatton acknowledged the concern.
  • Director Ghandour discussed having conversations with Utah Division of Water Quality (DWQ).   Senior Planner Hancey asked about the phasing and approvals. He also asked to see plans for the site in the meantime. Senior Planner Hancey clarified with staff the timeline of approvals and permit issuance.   Discussion ensued.
  • Vice-Chair Johnson emphasized Timpanogos Special Service District (TSSD) comments.   Mr. Tatton discussed his understanding of the status with the form.    
  • Staff and Commission Reports   There were no comments.  
  • Adjournment   Vice-Chair Johnson adjourned the meeting at40am.                   minutes certified COMPLETE ON: Novemberh,25 CERTIFIED (NOTICED) BY:                                                       Madison Reed, Planning Technician

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Suggested ERC Quorum 4. 00:00:02
All right, Paul. 00:00:05
You're welcome. Yeah. 00:00:07
Attorney called order. I'd like to call the order of the Vineyards Development Review Committee. 00:00:10
Today's October 2nd. 00:00:16
And it's 9:07 AM. 00:00:18
Hello. Go call. 00:00:21
No, we don't need to do that. OK, go to our first item because then item 2.1 approval of the August. 00:00:22
7/20/25 November Are you getting me? 00:00:28
Minute. 00:00:31
I move to approve the minutes. 00:00:32
Has presented. 00:00:34
Just like cash. 00:00:36
I can second. 00:00:37
Second by Brandon. 00:00:38
No, OK. 00:00:43
Now we'll move on to the new item. 00:00:44
All in favor, aye? 00:00:46
Alright, move on to business items 3.1 Utah City Partial E Subdivision Plat E. 00:00:47
I think cash will be presenting this one. 00:00:53
Yep, this is just a pretty uh. 00:00:55
Ordinary plot. Here we have, uh, partial. 00:00:58
Which is part of the the Green Line Promenade promenade. 00:01:02
Umm, it's where the the Aquatic Center is going to be and where they have a playground and kind of that on speaker. 00:01:04
And then the splash pad. And so they're just wanting to divide it up into those five partials. 00:01:10
Umm oh and then I I think they'll have a restaurant on partial E2. 00:01:14
Umm, so, so far we've reviewed it from the planning side of things in the county, uh, requirements it, it looks. 00:01:19
Good. I I didn't really have any concerns. Patrick, did you catch any? 00:01:26
Yeah. So I'm gonna review of it. 00:01:30
I I am curious like. 00:01:34
Oh no, they. 00:01:36
They yeah, they they all have meeting addresses. 00:01:37
So. 00:01:40
Yeah, I, I didn't see anything like anything wearing uh, except other vicinity maps needed to be updated. 00:01:42
That was my only recommendation, so can you hear me? 00:01:47
Yeah. Alright, cool. I'll go ahead saying that the I do have a couple comments I I would like to hear from. 00:01:50
Our staff engine. 00:01:56
And finally. 00:01:58
For here's anything else. 00:02:01
After the review. 00:02:03
If there's what? 00:02:06
I mean, absolutely. 00:02:07
So. 00:02:08
I was gonna say it says parcel E5. 00:02:09
Uh is a island. 00:02:11
Parcel. 00:02:13
Uh, that's, uh, that's associated landlocked. 00:02:14
I I would like to. 00:02:19
Request that the applying approval that we have an administrative. 00:02:20
Public administrative, uh. 00:02:24
Uh, kind of remembered change that they. 00:02:27
You know that you, uh, run away. 00:02:30
Access, uh, dedicated access to easement. 00:02:32
Or uh uh, to pass uh. 00:02:35
For parcel 85. 00:02:37
Either through Bennett Street or from Cedarbrook to the Way. 00:02:39
Then that would that would likely that would go long, uh. 00:02:43
Like the the line C5 Sure, sure on that because and that's those. 00:02:46
Uh, otherwise parcel E5 would become a unusable loft. 00:02:51
That's fine, we can we can work with the applicant on which one between. 00:02:58
Richmond Band in the Civic way. The best way to make that happen. 00:03:02
Do we know the purpose why IE 5? 00:03:06
He he didn't really explain why. What the purpose of V5? I believe that's the location of the. 00:03:10
Flash and. 00:03:14
Right. 00:03:16
Well, why is that? 00:03:17
Separated from E4 for example. 00:03:19
I I'm not sure they don't. 00:03:22
Something doesn't matter. 00:03:23
Have public in the field of private community. 00:03:25
Uh, yeah, I think it, but it's uh, between the parts and E4 is the big part where they'll have. 00:03:28
Potentially passive work like playground equipment. 00:03:33
Yeah, I, I don't know why it would be separate from that. 00:03:36
But maybe maybe it just has to do with like ownership because I I'm assuming. 00:03:39
Uh, the the. 00:03:45
Aquatic facility personnel will probably maintain the flash pad. 00:03:46
Rather than city staff because I I think all of the flash pad equipment will be. 00:03:52
Located. 00:03:57
At the pool rather than. 00:03:58
Like at Grove Park, we have it in a shed. 00:04:00
Are are any of these parcels being turned over to the city? 00:04:05
So I I think they all are being turned over to the city. 00:04:09
Umm and the. 00:04:12
The agreement for like the Aquatic Center is they turn it over to the city and then we enter into it in a. 00:04:13
Agreement with a. 00:04:18
A nonprofit. I don't. I forgot what they called it. 00:04:20
Umm, but essentially we turn it back over to them. 00:04:23
To uh for operation. 00:04:25
That's at least OK. We don't. It's not being turned over to experience. Yeah, at least what whatever it is. 00:04:28
So, but yeah, that that would be my assumption is that they. 00:04:35
Wanted the flash pad. 00:04:38
To be not associated with the park because of the equipment being stored on. 00:04:40
Not Barcel, but I, I, I can talk with Bronson about that and if there's any kind of. 00:04:44
Anything that that would cause some issues with the recommendation because of that I. 00:04:48
I'm happy to work with them on on those changes. Is that, uh, are these changes considerable enough for us not to approve this 00:04:53
file today? 00:04:56
I I don't have an issue. 00:05:01
OK, from planning from our requirements in the county requirements, I'm I'm OK with that, especially if we do get a. 00:05:03
Access easement. 00:05:08
Across the other partials to this one. 00:05:09
So yeah, the access is on Friday. 00:05:13
As well. Yep. 00:05:16
Do it? I guess my question is do we need that if? 00:05:20
If it's far proper. 00:05:23
Yeah. 00:05:24
Because it's a, it's a separate parcel. 00:05:27
That parcel that that becomes unusable parcel unless there's access to it. 00:05:30
OK, you know if it's our property. 00:05:35
OK, Yeah, I can, I can work with Bronson on that and and get. 00:05:37
Patrick to. 00:05:40
Give it a review once we have. 00:05:41
Not indication on there. 00:05:43
Anything. Any of the. 00:05:46
After conversations with, uh, the applicant using anything, Oh, hang on, uh, Bronson did just technically, he said he could go in 00:05:48
virtually. 00:05:51
If you guys have a minute to wait. 00:05:56
We could ask him that question. 00:05:58
One more question with that. 00:06:02
About these parcels. 00:06:03
I know how to send an e-mail here, I can do it. 00:06:11
OK. 00:06:27
If we wanted to, we could. 00:06:27
Hold off on this until he's on, and then we could. 00:06:29
Uh, just talk about that pipeline. 00:06:32
I I put the site the the next 5 on the agenda, uh, most. 00:06:34
Just to make sure that we all he's on. 00:06:37
So I don't know if we need this. 00:06:40
Wait on that. 00:06:42
Hey, Bronson, can you hear it's all right? 00:06:44
Oh, we can't hear you one second. 00:06:47
Oh, OK. 00:06:51
Yeah. 00:06:53
Yeah, we are currently we're we're reviewing the. 00:06:54
Flat for uh. 00:06:58
The promenade here, the green line. 00:07:01
And Naseem brought up a question about partial E5. 00:07:03
With it not having any kind of. 00:07:07
Access easement. 00:07:08
To it. 00:07:09
And just wanted to know if we could get some sort of access using it from Ben Street or from Civic Way. 00:07:10
Umm, along C5 or C3 here? 00:07:15
Two partial E5 so it doesn't become an unusable lot in the future. 00:07:18
Well, it's that's where the flashbacks at. It doesn't matter how's it that's a if it's a if it could be anytime far. So I'll have 00:07:24
to have access to it regardless of the use because it might, it might be flashback. 00:07:29
Tomorrow, but the day after that there might be. 00:07:34
Right now, a single. 00:07:36
Or or a. 00:07:38
A ranch or whatever. 00:07:40
So I have to so all parcels have to have access. 00:07:42
That that P3T4 and T5 is a sidewalk. Let me check and see if it's. 00:07:46
Yeah, it has to have vehicle, it has proper access. Is is there a reason you made perfectly 5 like could it be just? 00:07:52
Absorbed into partial E4. 00:08:00
It could be 483 for that. 00:08:03
The triangle is. 00:08:05
Right. 00:08:08
And so so is E3 and. 00:08:09
So yeah, so there has. So there has to be the. 00:08:12
So there has to be, uh, a access easement. Alright, well, what, what I'm saying is if he, he. 00:08:14
Avoid getting rid of E5 and just. 00:08:19
And at 84 and. 00:08:22
That resolves the problem Entity 4. 00:08:24
Yeah, just ended it. 00:08:27
Yeah, OK. 00:08:30
Alright, so, and, uh, is that being the case then, uh. 00:08:31
Are we postponing this? 00:08:34
OK, I I don't. 00:08:36
C Reason 2. 00:08:38
Uh, he's going to be redoing the parcel. 00:08:39
Just a red line comment. Yeah, we we can. 00:08:47
We can make that as a condition of approval on it. I don't know if you can. 00:08:49
Here we can. We're, we're doing, we're changing the number of parcels. 00:08:52
On the path, I think that's that would be considered substantial. 00:08:57
Substantial change. Look up. 00:09:01
Confirm. 00:09:03
UH-5 parcels down here. 00:09:04
It would be from 5:00 to 4-5 to 4. 00:09:06
We, we, we can do that. We we've done it before in the past. 00:09:09
Yeah, yeah. 00:09:13
If you don't feel comfortable doing for. 00:09:19
But I'm I'm happy to. 00:09:22
Prove it. 00:09:24
I mean, they meet all of our standards and they're essentially just erasing one of these lines. 00:09:25
It's not gonna change like the addressing. 00:09:30
It's not gonna change any kind of like emergency access or anything like that. 00:09:32
So do you want my motion? You can make a motion. I'm like I I'll move to approve the. 00:09:38
Uh, what is it? Uh, partial E subdivision flat with condition that. 00:09:43
Partial E5 is umm. 00:09:47
Dissolved and and. 00:09:50
Uh, absorbed into either E4E3? 00:09:52
The applicant can work with engineering and finance on. 00:09:54
The the best way to do that? 00:09:58
1st I cash. 00:10:00
I'll second that. 00:10:07
That's seconded by Brandon. 00:10:07
All in favor. 00:10:09
Alright, alright. 00:10:10
Now. 00:10:12
Those all in favor I I said no. 00:10:14
You can, yeah. Any opposed? 00:10:16
OK, go ahead. 00:10:18
No, OK, let's move on to work sessions 4.1 Utah City Temporary District Energy site plan application and cash will be. 00:10:20
She's getting this also. 00:10:29
Yeah, as, as I was kind of mentioning right before bronzing out on here, uh. 00:10:31
This, this we just wanted to get ahead of. 00:10:35
Of everybody that there's no motion or anything today. 00:10:37
Umm, but I just wanted to make sure we all had kind of our eyes on this is it's a pretty substantial. 00:10:41
Umm, you know, utility projects going on in the city. 00:10:45
And we've had a lot of. 00:10:48
Uh, interest from the public on the project? 00:10:49
So. 00:10:52
And if I wanted to to make sure that and then I don't, I guess none of you were. 00:10:52
20 question mark tonight, but. 00:10:56
Uh, this is not an allowed use in the city right now, so we're going through zoning text amendment to. 00:10:58
Allow it. 00:11:03
Umm, the Planning Commission did recommend a positive. 00:11:04
Recommendation to the City Council last night. 00:11:07
And then it will go to City Council for. 00:11:09
Approval next week and then after that we can take it back. 00:11:12
The Planning Commission. 00:11:15
Uh, a site plan approval review. 00:11:16
Umm. And so yeah, like I said, I just wanted to get this ahead of. 00:11:19
Have everything. Make sure that there's kind of no glaring uh. 00:11:22
Red flags or anything like that as we move forward. 00:11:26
Is there anything you you want to kind of go into details on this, Bronson? 00:11:32
Uh, I mean. 00:11:38
Yeah. 00:11:39
The site plan a little bit so. 00:11:41
The the two larger. 00:11:43
Where are where? 00:11:48
They're potentially boilers. 00:11:51
Shipping containers so. 00:11:55
Each of those large spurs. 00:11:57
Good house for. 00:11:59
Shipping containers like. 00:12:01
8 feet by 40 feet. 00:12:03
And they all just each other. 00:12:05
And it said those would be. 00:12:08
A boiler system. 00:12:11
Hot water and the chilling system and. 00:12:13
We've got Rocky Mount Power. 00:12:18
Feeding. 00:12:21
Natural gas. 00:12:22
Beating mode and then. 00:12:23
David hot water from there this is. 00:12:25
Temporary, because eventually we'll be. 00:12:28
Only heat, like scavenging heat. 00:12:31
Like Mount Powers Power Plant. 00:12:35
Up to the north and. 00:12:38
And cancerous. 00:12:40
Institute as they. 00:12:42
We'll turn that heat. 00:12:43
Their weight, heat and we'll use that, but. 00:12:45
To get these. 00:12:49
Initial building. 00:12:49
Going just doing something. 00:12:51
Temporary like this. 00:12:53
Eventually there will be. 00:12:54
Permanent plants that will be very similar to this. 00:12:56
But we'll be pulling. 00:13:00
Heat from a different source they will be coming from. 00:13:02
Will probably be boilers and then back up. 00:13:06
System we take this one. 00:13:10
Probably 3. 00:13:14
For me, uh. 00:13:15
Energy plants that they will be. 00:13:18
Like tucked into like. 00:13:21
We've we've seen some concepts of how you type it into a parking structure. 00:13:22
But they're not like out on the. 00:13:27
Like that they could be. 00:13:30
Didn't quite be better, but. 00:13:31
How much larger? 00:13:33
Modular. We're gonna. 00:13:35
You know, once once the permit plant replaces this. 00:13:37
Temporary plant. 00:13:40
February plant could get picked up and relocated. 00:13:43
Take the next temporary fight. 00:13:46
How much larger are the permanent? 00:13:49
They're they're. 00:13:53
Oh, they're smaller. 00:13:55
Yeah, wow. OK. 00:13:57
What? What's the? 00:13:59
Little square outside to the left is that. 00:14:01
Like a cooling tower or? 00:14:03
Yes, and. 00:14:07
Do you know how long these take to assemble? 00:14:09
We may have like. 00:14:15
Uh, yeah. Do you have the elevation? 00:14:18
Yes, I do. 00:14:20
So I'm trying to show you how things are following revenue. 00:14:23
And it'll give you the elevation. 00:14:28
Validation page. 00:14:34
So that on the far left of the top elevation. 00:14:37
That's kind of that. 00:14:40
All right, and I know building 14. 00:14:45
Flamingo finalizing by June. 00:14:47
Well, these can't be. 00:14:51
Complete by then. 00:14:54
Yeah, so they're building. 00:14:56
All of these buildings are going to build up tight and when they ship them down. 00:14:59
And put it in place and then put all the piping together. 00:15:04
On favor. 00:15:06
All right. Thanks. 00:15:09
Yeah. Does it sound, is there a uh, linked case temporary affirmative circuit? Is there a timeline as to what temporary? 00:15:11
You know, temperatures. 00:15:17
Is there a timeline to how long temporary is? 00:15:20
We would consider this permanent. 00:15:23
Yeah, temporary, typically six months. 00:15:26
Yeah, it's, it's just something we consider this a permanent. 00:15:29
And and it it's being approved by the permanent, it would be a permanent structure. 00:15:32
Yeah, I mean, that's probably the safest way to do it. We. 00:15:38
Will trans. 00:15:41
Permanent plans. 00:15:43
But maybe not in this exact location. 00:15:45
But as as development. 00:15:48
Occurs in. 00:15:51
Justifies the previous plan. 00:15:52
Then we'll transition to that, but I don't know about that. 00:15:54
I didn't quite so. 00:15:57
I think you're right. Hashes price papers. 00:15:59
Continue permanent. 00:16:02
Even though we have the plans of 16 ounce group. 00:16:04
Yeah, and the way the the code languages were in the. 00:16:07
It doesn't differentiate between. 00:16:10
Temporary or permanent plans that. 00:16:12
Just district energy. So if we're looking at the things that kind of, uh. 00:16:14
Picking the faces, uh, might be issues that uh. 00:16:18
Prior to becoming an official approval. 00:16:21
I I do have. 00:16:24
Question in regards to the drive access into this. 00:16:24
Uh, permanent slash. 00:16:27
Uh, temporary, fast, permanent, uh, qualified with the operations is fine. 00:16:31
I recall from Los Angeles Planning Commission, even though it wasn't the topic at hand, but the operations wise it's. 00:16:35
The 547 operations. 00:16:41
Uh and uh. 00:16:43
But uh, drive access into this? 00:16:45
Uh, you know, I would be concerned. Is there accurate? 00:16:47
Uh, access into the spot. 00:16:51
For um. 00:16:54
For the passive vehicle that maybe got that would be driving in. 00:16:56
Especially when it comes down to any kind of uh. 00:16:59
Um, deliveries. 00:17:02
And so forth. Because Tanners, no, not just, I think the Tanners, but any kind of, uh. 00:17:04
Sustainable any type of delivery assistance operations. 00:17:10
You know. 00:17:14
I've, uh, that's. 00:17:16
You know. 00:17:18
Done. I've had my pleasure. 00:17:19
Uh, Handling some of these plans and, you know, even, uh, temporary plans that have been in place since. 00:17:22
Uh, 2001. 00:17:26
Uh, you know. 00:17:29
15 years later. 00:17:31
Uh, but I I was. 00:17:32
Especially because it has the driveway approach. Added place where? 00:17:34
You know, uh. 00:17:37
As place where the. 00:17:39
Wrote the adjoining Rd. 00:17:40
Is tight and you're talking about like one right here. 00:17:43
Like where the IT curves? 00:17:49
Now further down driveway approach. 00:17:51
The three footwe. 00:17:56
Yeah. 00:17:57
Go down all the way down. 00:17:58
Oh, right here. We're connecting to the roadway. 00:17:59
Oh, like this turn right here. Yeah, yeah. Vehicles parked on both sides. And then the roads, the roads tightens up. 00:18:02
The the the frozen the the the throw the road narrows and then go through the driveway approach is that. 00:18:09
I would be I would want to know, would that be a quick room? 00:18:14
To handle the deliveries that may be coming in. 00:18:17
And leaving. 00:18:20
The site. 00:18:21
And of course. 00:18:24
You know. 00:18:25
Yeah, Bronfen, do you know the kind of scope of the deliveries like is this after it's installed, are they constantly bringing, 00:18:26
you know new new stuffers that kind of once it's built it? 00:18:30
Kind of self-sufficient. 00:18:35
Yeah, it's it's pretty much the. 00:18:38
I'm sure there's some deliveries, but I don't think it is coming on, you know like. 00:18:41
A large flap in it. 00:18:46
Can you look at the elevations? 00:18:48
In the first page is the floorfoot. 00:18:50
You can see the. 00:18:53
The equipment that goes inside, No. 00:18:56
Another day, equipment. 00:18:59
Like none of one piece of equipment filled up. 00:19:01
Shipping container. 00:19:04
I know that you'll be bringing this. 00:19:09
I know this is gonna be coming back anyway so I I just ask. 00:19:12
Uh, I would, I would like, uh, ask a favor if you just go and ask, uh, the operations people. 00:19:15
Just to make sure. 00:19:20
I have. I hate for this to be built and then. 00:19:22
Uh, I'll just say it like this if it comes like. 00:19:25
Playing a Maverick right next to Starbucks. 00:19:28
And you know, great idea, but. 00:19:30
When it comes to track flow. 00:19:32
And turning movement. 00:19:34
It's a tool nightmare. 00:19:35
When we come back, I cannot bear as well to use the operations. 00:19:38
Passport. 00:19:43
Excellent. Make sure you have a call to you and speak up. 00:19:45
Yeah, that might be good even before Planning Commission maybe to have. 00:19:48
Staff have a better. 00:19:52
Kind of understanding of of operations. 00:19:53
So that. 00:19:55
When we do take it to Planning Commission, we we have a little bit better idea of kind of how this will work. 00:19:56
Or when you know the public will have. 00:20:00
Yeah. 00:20:04
Yeah. 00:20:05
Hey, Bronson. Brandon Valley Wormfire. 00:20:07
My my question when I. 00:20:10
Looked at this was. 00:20:12
And when I hear boilers, I think pressure vessels and when I think of these buildings. 00:20:13
You know, just what kind of, uh, security. 00:20:18
Slash, you know. 00:20:21
Most of the time I've seen these they have like see a new walls that are all the way around them with the. 00:20:24
You know the block off access or anything like that and also protect for. 00:20:28
For that situation. 00:20:32
Umm, I guess I just don't. 00:20:34
Understand the the concept of this one is. 00:20:36
As well. And what kind of? 00:20:39
You know how? 00:20:42
Big of a safety concern it is. 00:20:43
Yeah. So that's a good question. We can. 00:20:47
Answer that question please. 00:20:51
My initial thought is that there. 00:20:52
Bill boxes. 00:20:55
As you got a while. 00:20:57
Protection. I don't know what. 00:20:59
Kind of, you know, today. 00:21:01
And to say something went wrong, I don't know what. 00:21:04
Quite the most so we can. 00:21:07
Very good. 00:21:11
Yeah, and I I imagine it'll be solved where this is being considered a permanent. 00:21:13
Permanent. Umm. 00:21:18
I don't know what the word I'm looking is, but. 00:21:19
Yeah, it's going to be permanent that it will be handled during the building. 00:21:22
Umm, building code review for it. So. 00:21:25
I'll just, yeah. 00:21:29
Bronson on the site plan is is this X? 00:21:31
Oh, is this kind of X line here is that? 00:21:35
Sensing of any kind of. 00:21:40
Yeah, it's just a wire mesh pin. 00:21:43
OK. 00:21:46
We'll have a landscaping. 00:21:47
OK, yeah, I I just wasn't interested. 00:21:49
Seem more substantial, OK. 00:21:51
Umm, do you by chance have? 00:21:56
Or could you look into maybe? 00:21:58
Other areas that we could look at like examples of these actually like installed and. 00:22:01
You know, kind of get a visual that way of it as well. 00:22:06
Yeah. 00:22:12
You're good. And if you could just. 00:22:14
Yeah, if you could just provide us with. 00:22:16
Umm, another location like in the country. 00:22:18
They take worked on Canada. 00:22:20
Of of just so we can kind of get an idea of what these. 00:22:22
These plants look like. 00:22:26
Kind of as they're built out. 00:22:27
I see so myself. 00:22:37
Cool. Umm. And then I I know parking was kind of addressed last night. 00:22:39
Umm, and and. 00:22:43
The the code is essentially 1 parking stall per use. 00:22:44
Umm, I think you don't need one cell, but I just wanted to kind of. 00:22:49
Talk about how like. 00:22:53
The these parking stalls that are on the north elevation. I know there's those garage Bay doors but it doesn't sound like there 00:22:54
will be like much access for. 00:22:57
But is there? 00:23:01
You know any concern about having parking stalls in front of those Bay doors? And will those parking stalls be? 00:23:02
Accessible to the the tenants of these buildings. 00:23:08
That are near it. 00:23:11
Yeah. 00:23:13
Rushing existence like. 00:23:15
The surrounding parking lot is. 00:23:16
Presidential right? 00:23:18
So there could be. 00:23:20
Good residential parking. 00:23:25
I mean they can pull. 00:23:26
We probably can find it. 00:23:30
It says like the point parking only but. 00:23:31
Yeah, yeah, there's 16 stalls there. That seems pretty excessive for. 00:23:34
This year. 00:23:40
Yeah. 00:23:43
So yeah, if we could just figure that out. 00:23:45
That that would be great. 00:23:48
Just stay ahead of kind of any comments or anything about parking. 00:23:49
So any other comment? 00:23:59
Uh, yeah, again, this phone's gonna come until. 00:24:00
Uh, further alarming. 00:24:03
Terms of construction. 00:24:05
Aspects that uh. 00:24:07
I will just talk to facility. 00:24:10
And such, uh. 00:24:12
I would I would highly set off like when I take this off, I'll be jumping up and down. Go see. 00:24:13
That discussions with this day's industrial industrial. 00:24:18
Wastewater for me. 00:24:23
Uh, has had. 00:24:24
Uh, you know the the city. 00:24:26
Not, not, Yeah, not the assistant. I'm talking about PWQ. 00:24:32
Uh, in terms of industrial, industrial storm, uh, stormwater. 00:24:35
As well. 00:24:38
Uh, make sure that those permits, make sure that those firm assigned place. 00:24:39
As well as regarding this again. 00:24:44
Interested, he does a. 00:24:46
Our municipal stormwater permits does not uh, the. 00:24:48
Does not cover industrial. 00:24:50
And this will be this will this will be going on on the phase list of, uh. 00:24:53
Industrial as well as critical. 00:24:57
Uh, critical facility. 00:24:59
Uh, when? When I say circle. 00:25:02
So we're talking about critical for stormwater. 00:25:04
OK, bye. 00:25:06
So I just, I was just saying. 00:25:07
Bigfoot sounds at the discussion with DWQ. 00:25:09
On that if you need. 00:25:11
Early, uh, or in the first time I talked to Figure? 00:25:14
And direction, uh. 00:25:17
Justin Marshall. 00:25:18
Our Examiner 4 can provide you that. 00:25:20
That those connections. 00:25:24
But I would hate for that. I hate for you to be on the 90% design and then have to go backwards. 00:25:26
It's back to 30. 00:25:31
I I just found. 00:25:33
2 Two more questions. 00:25:34
One would be I. I see this as kind of A2 phase approach where the building off to the east. 00:25:37
That's a future phase, right? 00:25:41
Would you, are you wanting the site plan to approve that phase as well or would you come back for a site plan amendment and and 00:25:44
add that phase in? 00:25:48
Yeah, I think we can do. 00:25:53
OK. 00:25:58
I mean essentially what that. 00:25:58
Future. 00:26:01
Right. Do you know if we have the elevation like the elevations account for both or is that just one? 00:26:04
Portion. 00:26:10
They would. They would look just like they're good. 00:26:11
Meaning like the duplication. 00:26:14
OK. 00:26:15
We could need. 00:26:17
And you can take this. 00:26:18
Yeah. 00:26:22
That that'd be great. 00:26:23
And then um. 00:26:27
In the meantime, when you have, you know when, when you're only done phase one and and they're waiting on on Phase 2. 00:26:28
Maybe we just like to see what you would do in that area. 00:26:34
Whether if it's, if it's fenced in. 00:26:38
Or if it's not, then I, you know, put some gravel or landscaping down. 00:26:40
Umm and then my my other question, this is I think one of the Super staff is. 00:26:44
At what point do we want to ensure that they've received all their like permits from the state and. 00:26:50
You know that they're they're valid. Operate at this as a utility. 00:26:56
You know, do we want to? 00:26:59
Hold on a building permit at what point? 00:27:01
3. 00:27:03
You know, make sure that that. 00:27:05
Everybody's kind of. 00:27:06
On the same page. 00:27:07
As early as possible. How's that? Well, what what I'm saying like is that site plan, right? Like do you want to see that they have 00:27:09
their approvals from the state? I would say depending on the type of approval you're talking about is the difference like for 00:27:13
example. 00:27:17
Uh, like when they. 00:27:21
And that's our landing service permits. Does it work for this? 00:27:22
Uh, and before the construction building instructions, we're going, we're going to, we're going to ensure that. 00:27:25
Their meeting state, uh, Apple stakeholders like for example, when I talked about the WQ. 00:27:32
We're gonna show that they're meeting up with meeting with BWTO. 00:27:37
PSSP, of course, is another thing. 00:27:39
They're talking about. 00:27:42
The actual use of the operations of the type of I I'm talking about I I don't even remember the name, but Daria mentioned that you 00:27:43
have to pay some sort of like. 00:27:46
License operators. Utilities. 00:27:50
The public, the Public Utility Commission that, yeah, that that's mostly what I'm talking about, the state essentially give. 00:27:52
Course the to go ahead to operate a utility in the state. 00:27:58
And the state, but then there's other levels, right? There's no other other levels of authorization? 00:28:01
Yeah. 00:28:06
I'm not sure if so, yeah, I I think Wayne Disturbs is good for things like the PSSD and and. 00:28:07
But you know, is is the and it sounds like they're working really well with the state on getting the. 00:28:15
Uh, public utility license or whatever. 00:28:20
Umm, but is that something you wanna see? Building permit? Because I, I don't know, I think we wanna see it. 00:28:23
OK. 00:28:28
OK. 00:28:30
Not just uh, but I think there's other, I think I, I would suggest couches, probably some other, uh. 00:28:31
Uh, approval, uh, levels of, uh, authorizations that would be required. 00:28:37
Before. 00:28:40
Before that. But are you gonna give you guys one good example? 00:28:41
Something that would be required? 00:28:44
There, there likely are going to be other levels here of approvals that would be required as well. 00:28:46
OK, so yeah, I mean, do you see any problem? 00:28:52
I'm getting a site plan approved. 00:28:54
You know. 00:28:56
Before we get stuck, let me ask the questions of the site plan is approved. 00:28:57
Now does that. 00:29:02
So that's I guarantee their right to utilize the. 00:29:03
Skype as what they're presenting about. 00:29:07
And it allows the use from the City side of things, but I mean, it doesn't like guarantee the right to a building permit or 00:29:10
anything like that. They they still have to make sure that they're following code and. 00:29:14
Not that far. I think building permit is probably the the better. 00:29:18
Umm, route to go? 00:29:21
Say that, but. 00:29:23
I would say that, uh. 00:29:24
Before a site plan, there might be some other levels of approval processes that would be required. 00:29:26
Prior to the site plan approval. 00:29:30
Do you think you. 00:29:32
Maybe we could set up a meeting with online and we can meet with with Bronson as well. 00:29:34
But if you just kind of go over all of these different approvals that we are looking for just so that. 00:29:38
You know, we don't get to the point of building permit and then we. 00:29:43
When you see that, oh hey, where's this permit that is going to take nine months to get from? 00:29:45
This bizarre State Department that you've never heard of, you know? 00:29:50
To which I'm I'm sure that that they're doing their research on their end of everything that needs to be done, but. 00:29:52
I just wanna make sure that we. 00:29:57
Have the same expectations that they do. 00:29:59
And that the state does. And then Bronson. 00:30:01
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're using it. 00:30:04
The company that you're using, uh. 00:30:06
Has experience on operating on these, uh, these type of facilities and the state of Utah. 00:30:08
In Utah. 00:30:13
I would. I would help you. I was gonna say not. 00:30:14
OK, but they. 00:30:18
Have they worked in the United States before? 00:30:19
Yeah, OK. So I would assume. 00:30:22
Yeah, yeah. They're, they're gonna know. They're like, they would know. They're regular. They were. They would know how to move 00:30:25
their own. Yeah. 00:30:27
But so do you just wanna trust them to do it then? 00:30:31
I'm I'm sure that they know, but what I'm saying is, is here's what they know. Here's what we know. We should make sure. 00:30:36
Anything that's, uh, is. 00:30:42
Provided to the applicant. 00:30:43
In terms of what the requirements are, would not be a surprise to the option. 00:30:44
Sure, right. Sure, sure. 00:30:48
But like I said, I I still think it'd be good to be on the same page. 00:30:50
How's it going forward? Yeah, and I would hope that the. 00:30:53
Bronze, I'm not talking about these facilities, but the contractor. 00:30:57
That's, uh, being hard with uh. 00:31:00
Would be able to come forth with types of approval authorizations that. 00:31:02
That they that that that are required to be done. 00:31:06
Prior to them coming forth as well. 00:31:09
So I would hope that's a two way conversation versus there. 00:31:11
On my conversation, so I don't want that to burden. 00:31:14
100% on the cities now. 00:31:16
To be an expert in something that's a Clorox or adapting is. 00:31:18
Present themselves out. 00:31:24
So yeah, I think that you can definitely provide. 00:31:26
Here's what we do in other areas. 00:31:30
That was the how does this day want to approach it? I think they're I would hope that they were and I would hope that they would 00:31:32
have done their research for the. 00:31:35
For how they're operating, if possible. 00:31:38
Hey, I mean, it sounds like they're already in that process. 00:31:40
So, but like, like I said, I I just wanna make sure that what you're most of your expectations are and theirs are. 00:31:42
Yeah, probably. I'm probably the. 00:31:49
Uh. 00:31:52
Uh, first. 00:31:53
There's companies out there, I know that there's companies out there specialized and helping other companies, uh, to work in other 00:31:55
states, uh. 00:31:57
You know, uh, old friend of mine. 00:32:01
Uh, one of our jobs is specializing assistant group for telecommunication. 00:32:03
Sure. Telecommunications operator in other states. 00:32:07
Sure. 00:32:10
OK, well then. 00:32:13
Bronson, I just had one more thing. This is Chris Johnson. 00:32:14
I believe TSSD. 00:32:17
Review this project. 00:32:18
Just make sure you're addressing other. 00:32:20
Amen. OK. 00:32:21
Yes, I know it's in the words. I don't know if it's all been finally. 00:32:25
Different people and other states. 00:32:28
The. 00:32:33
Yeah, the form. 00:32:38
Sounds good. 00:32:40
That that's all I have. 00:32:43
Any other comment? 00:32:46
OK, we can Staff and Commission report. 00:32:48
Anthony. 00:32:51
I think we can move to adrenaline. Thanks guys. 00:32:52