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  • Start Position
  • Call to Order   Chair Cris Johnson, Building Official, called the meeting to order at11am.  
  • Consent Items  1.Approval of the Septemberth,25 Development Review Committee Meeting Minutes
  • Motion: CITY ENGINEER AND PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR NASEEM GHANDOUR MOTIONED TO APPROVE THE SEPTEMBERTH,25 DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE MEETING MINUTES AT12AM. CITY MANAGER ERIC ELLIS SECONDED. ALL IN FAVOR VOTED YES: BRIM, ELLIS, JOHNSON, VALLEY, AND GHANDOUR. THE VOTE CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.  Business Items   There were no items submitted.  Work Session  1.
  • Update to Vineyard City Development Standards and Design Specifications
  • Assistant City Engineer Patrick James presented revised construction and design standards. He shared the reasons behind the update and highlighted the changes made. Engineer James discussed an update to the Transportation Master Plan.
  • City Manager Eric Ellis asked about including at-grade language.   Engineer James noted that he would check to see if that needed to be included.   Discussion ensued.
  • Engineer James continued to discuss the added specifications.   City Manager Ellis asked about a definition for landfilled areas.   Engineer James noted that it is more detailed in the specifications.   Director Ghandour noted that they follow the state’s specification.   Discussion ensued.
  • Engineer James continued to provide the right-of-way cross sections and other edits.   City Manager Ellis asked if there are links to specific sections for APWA.   Director Ghandour noted that they leave the links more broad incase the formatting changes.   Engineer James continued to highlight the adjustments.   Discussion ensued about fire hydrants.
  • Engineer James continued his discussion.
  • Community Development Director Morgan Brim asked about parking requirements matching the zoning requirements.   Director Ghandour noted that this would align it and provide more clarification.    Discussion ensued.
  • Plans Examiner Patricia Abdullah addressed some of her concerns on administrative items.   Engineer James and Director Ghandour acknowledged and responded to her comments.
  • Examiner Abdullah continued to make comments on cash bonds.   Discussion ensued.   Examiner Abdullah added grammatical adjustments.   Discussion ensued on language.   Deputy Fire Marshall Brandon Valley departed at:00am.
  • Examiner Abdullah discussed who applicants reach out to for and providing contacts. She added other comments.   Engineer James noted that they would make additions and adjustments.    
  • Staff and Commission Reports   There were no comments.  
  • Adjournment   Chair Johnson adjourned the meeting at:08am.   minutes certified COMPLETE ON: Decemberh,25 CERTIFIED (NOTICED) BY: Madison Reed, Planning Technician

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Event transcript
There's a good week for team. 00:00:00
Do you have anybody on? 00:00:05
Are you able to help on the team savings and body? 00:00:12
Like the order of the. 00:00:37
DRC meeting is October 16th. 00:00:40
And it is. 00:00:43
9:11 AM. 00:00:44
Move to our consent items. We have a 2.1 approval of the September 18th, 2025 DRC meeting minutes. 00:00:47
Uh, can I get? 00:00:54
Yeah. 00:00:57
A motion to approve the. 00:01:03
CRC name message September 18th. 00:01:04
2025. 00:01:06
First line of them. 00:01:09
2nd. 00:01:11
Second by egg, all in favor. 00:01:11
I any opposed? 00:01:14
That moves us to. 00:01:18
Work session mode. 00:01:19
4.1 An update to the Vineyard City development standards and design specifications. 00:01:20
And I believe Patrick is going to present this. 00:01:25
You get get up on the screen. 00:01:30
OK. 00:01:53
Um, so we, we have been. 00:01:56
Uh, consulting with. 00:02:00
Chris Thompson. 00:02:03
Who is now with? 00:02:04
Hands down and loose. 00:02:05
Um, to revise our. 00:02:07
Construction standard drawings and. 00:02:10
And specifications. 00:02:12
And, uh, we are. 00:02:14
At completion or or. 00:02:16
Very near completion on those. 00:02:17
Uh, now? 00:02:19
The reason? The purpose for this? 00:02:22
I guess there's a couple of reasons that we've been doing this. 00:02:24
First of all, it's been quite a while since. 00:02:28
The standard drawings and specifications were updated. 00:02:31
I believe the last. 00:02:34
The last round of. 00:02:36
Updates for the drawings were. 00:02:37
2016 I believe. 00:02:39
So it's been quite a while. 00:02:41
Some of the specifications you can go back to 2007. 00:02:45
Uh, so it would. 00:02:49
It was. 00:02:50
Quite needed. 00:02:51
Uh, for an update. 00:02:52
Another reason, uh, for the update is. 00:02:54
Uh, CPWA? 00:02:57
Updated their specifications and standard drawings. 00:03:01
And and with that. 00:03:04
So they have this 2025. 00:03:06
Addition now and with that we wanted to. 00:03:08
Kind of. 00:03:11
Adopt more apwa. 00:03:13
Come in more alignment with other cities. 00:03:15
Across Utah. 00:03:18
And these? 00:03:20
Specifications and drawings from. 00:03:22
From APW, APWA are are. 00:03:24
Quite expensive and and. 00:03:26
And so it's it just makes sense to adopt A lot of. 00:03:30
A lot of that. 00:03:33
And uh. 00:03:35
Just kind of. 00:03:37
Make things more simple for for construction specifications. 00:03:38
On that front. 00:03:43
APWA also. 00:03:45
Made I'll just show you like real, real quick. 00:03:47
So these so their plans and and specific. 00:03:51
Applications are are online. 00:03:53
Free to use. 00:03:57
All cities, all contractors, all. 00:04:01
Design engineers can easily get on there and find these. 00:04:03
Uh, now which? 00:04:07
Umm, as I was, I was previously a design engineer, so I. 00:04:09
Very much appreciate that. 00:04:14
Um, let me input. 00:04:16
Yeah, but they're still designated here. 00:04:19
Yeah. 00:04:21
I guess so. 00:04:22
In a way sometimes. 00:04:24
Um, so. 00:04:27
Just to go through some changes in our specifications. 00:04:29
Uh, probably the biggest change. 00:04:32
That we did was we we completely reformatted the specifications. 00:04:34
Umm, we we changed around the the sections and. 00:04:40
And the title settings. 00:04:44
Uh, just to to try to make it more clear. 00:04:46
And so. 00:04:50
And then? 00:04:51
We're also. 00:04:52
Putting that on to Unicode. 00:04:53
So and everything has links. 00:04:57
So contractors or engineers can go in there and. 00:05:00
Click on links and it'll take it right to. 00:05:03
Uh, specific. 00:05:06
Sections or other parts of our code which which will be really nice. 00:05:08
So that's. 00:05:13
That's really. 00:05:14
You know the bulk of it. 00:05:15
But our specifications is to reiterate a little bit, our specifications are. 00:05:17
Are more like a supplemental. 00:05:21
Classification set. 00:05:24
Supplemental to the APWA. 00:05:26
Specifications. 00:05:28
We we also had a design criteria. 00:05:32
Document. 00:05:36
Uh, that. 00:05:37
That you can see the date down here for that was 26. 00:05:38
Team. 00:05:41
Needed a little updating. 00:05:43
And this design document for what? For up until now it was a standalone document. 00:05:46
But we decided to integrate this document into our specification. 00:05:52
Uh, so now? So now this is all. 00:05:58
In our specifications. 00:06:00
We also went through the Transportation Master Plan update. 00:06:05
A lot of our cross section Rd. cross section changed. 00:06:09
Things like that. 00:06:12
And so now our specifications. 00:06:14
Refer to the new Transportation Master plan and reflect the updated. 00:06:16
Uh, cross sections and. 00:06:22
And things that are found in the master plan. 00:06:24
If I could just actually do a slide show. 00:06:30
Umm, so to give you an example of. 00:06:34
Of some of those. 00:06:37
So these are in the new cross sections that. 00:06:38
That. 00:06:41
That are showing in our. 00:06:42
Transportation master plan. 00:06:43
I'm just giving some updates on. 00:06:46
On what our our standard St. 00:06:50
Section will look like. 00:06:52
So as I mentioned before, uh. 00:07:01
This will all be This will be a book. Now our. 00:07:04
Specifications and drawings will be. 00:07:08
A book in Unicode now. 00:07:10
And so it'll be a lot. 00:07:12
Right there along our other code. 00:07:14
Until people can easily. 00:07:16
Find it and cross reference. 00:07:18
Other codes. 00:07:21
So that'll be really nice. 00:07:23
Um, we have. 00:07:25
We have several links. 00:07:28
And the specification that will link you directly to. 00:07:30
Codes or. 00:07:33
Specifically, storm water. 00:07:35
Criteria. Anything like that? 00:07:38
Here is the like a few notable. 00:07:42
Changes. 00:07:45
That that were made. 00:07:46
We added a requirement for contractors to. 00:07:48
Submit time dated video footage. 00:07:52
Of the construction site. 00:07:54
Uh, before they start construction that way. 00:07:56
If there's any dispute. 00:07:59
We can go back and reference that video. 00:08:01
And and see what was damaged during construction. 00:08:04
And to protect the city and. 00:08:08
Uh, just keep. 00:08:11
Keep things up to date there. 00:08:13
Another big change was. 00:08:16
All curve and gutter we decided to change to 30 inch. 00:08:18
Curb and gutter we're we're currently at 24 inch. 00:08:21
Um, that reduces the amount of pavement. 00:08:25
That is, is that in the road? 00:08:29
Reduces maintenance costs and. 00:08:31
Deterioration. 00:08:33
The concrete holds up a lot of it better. 00:08:34
There are also benefits with stormwater. 00:08:37
Uh, the a 30 inch curb and gutter can hold. 00:08:39
Hold more storm water. 00:08:43
Has more capacity there. 00:08:45
We understand that. 00:08:49
Since we have been using 24 inch with carbon gutter for. 00:08:52
A long time. 00:08:55
Most of our city has 24 inch carbon gutters. 00:08:57
So we we will analyze. 00:09:00
Each location as as a new development come in. We don't want. 00:09:04
You know we're mismatches. 00:09:07
Turbine gutters so. 00:09:09
Will allow developers to still use the 24 inch and. 00:09:11
In situations where it matches up to the existing. 00:09:15
I I I envision this is mostly. 00:09:18
This will be mostly applied in the. 00:09:21
East Geneva area. 00:09:24
When that gets developed. 00:09:27
Another reason for this is U dot uses. 00:09:29
A 30 inch curving gutter. 00:09:32
So wherever our curbing gutter. 00:09:34
Matches up with UDOT. 00:09:36
Yeah, it will. 00:09:38
Make for a more seamless. 00:09:40
Transition. 00:09:41
Going from a 30 inch to a 24. 00:09:43
Causes some weird. 00:09:46
Where did you? 00:09:48
And so that will help with that. 00:09:50
Uh, so. 00:09:53
Within 250 feet of railroad crossings, no St. intersections, and the diagnostic required for accesses. 00:09:55
This is something we that has that's come up a few times and. 00:10:03
Fairly recently. 00:10:07
Any development near railroad crossings needs a diagnostic review by. 00:10:09
By the railroad and UDOT. 00:10:15
And, uh, so that. 00:10:18
That just puts it in the in the specification so that. 00:10:19
Where that gets caught? 00:10:22
It's a It's not not a good thing to start. 00:10:25
Construction and then go back. 00:10:28
Do a diagnostic later and kind of ask for forgiveness. 00:10:30
And so this this will put it up front. 00:10:34
Uh, full inter, Yeah. 00:10:37
Doesn't need to be stated. 00:10:40
At grade. 00:10:41
Or is that just inferred? 00:10:42
That is a good question. I'll I'll check and see if. 00:10:46
Yes, uh, we need to put at grade in there. 00:10:50
I don't think it mentions at grade. 00:10:55
Presumably it wouldn't. 00:11:00
Apply with an overpass. 00:11:02
Because it wouldn't. There would really be no conflict with. 00:11:05
Lining up cars. 00:11:10
Associated with a railroad which I. 00:11:11
What I assume that that? 00:11:13
Consideration is for. 00:11:15
Yeah. 00:11:16
Yeah, I think it was this. I think it's kind of 1st and an engineering world can see crossing. 00:11:18
Across the strip and. 00:11:23
You know, we use overpass or underpass quite often, but. 00:11:24
Maybe just to make sure that it's written properly for the? 00:11:28
Right person. 00:11:31
But typically like even uh. 00:11:39
It doesn't really specify it. 00:11:45
Necessarily, but. 00:11:47
We'll go ahead. We'll have that clarified. We can even sit down as as, as required or as needed. So therefore seems to. 00:11:48
Future, we can ensure that. 00:11:54
In Pacific or or the railroad authority. 00:11:56
It's coordinated communications. 00:12:00
OK, that's a good point. 00:12:08
Uh, we, uh, we, uh, added a specification there that. 00:12:13
Uh, during development that the full. 00:12:17
When they come up to an intersection, it's. 00:12:20
A road intersection and there's a phase line that's. 00:12:22
Full intersection must be constructed. 00:12:25
I don't know if we've necessarily had issues with that in the past. 00:12:28
But that's. 00:12:31
A good thing to put in there so we don't end up having. 00:12:32
Half intersections and. 00:12:35
This awkward. 00:12:37
Uh, traffic flows. 00:12:39
Um buildings or payments not allowed over landfill? 00:12:42
Areas. 00:12:46
So this, this one we put, we, we put a clause in there because we we will have a lot of. 00:12:48
A lot of construction over. 00:12:54
Uh, garbage. Not not really garbage, but uh. 00:12:57
Construction debris, debris from Geneva, things like that. When, when? 00:13:01
Development happens in that area. 00:13:06
So there is a clause that. 00:13:08
That, uh. 00:13:10
We'll have. We'll have that. 00:13:12
Reviewed and and. 00:13:14
We can allow it in certain. 00:13:15
Circumstances. 00:13:17
Um, but that's, that's just kind of protects. 00:13:19
Protects us from. 00:13:22
From developers. 00:13:24
Just building over. 00:13:25
Places they should not be building. 00:13:26
For the standard drawing some some changes. 00:13:31
Uh, we added a fire hydrant apron. 00:13:35
And I can show you that. 00:13:38
A little bit later. 00:13:40
New large meter assembly drawing this is. 00:13:42
Come up a lot lately. 00:13:45
Because of the downtown area. 00:13:47
Uh, up until. 00:13:50
Up until. 00:13:51
All the development before the downtown area. 00:13:52
We've we've only gone up to like a 2 inch meter. 00:13:55
In our standard drawing. 00:13:58
Went up to A2 inch meter. 00:13:59
Uh, we had a drawing in there that. 00:14:01
That had. 00:14:04
A larger. 00:14:05
Vault, but I was very confusing. 00:14:07
Seemed like it was pulled from something else and didn't really. 00:14:10
Wasn't really applicable to our needs. 00:14:13
And so we created a three inch. 00:14:15
Major vault or three inch or larger meter vault detail. 00:14:17
Which is the the new standard for? 00:14:22
Pretty much all or. 00:14:24
I would say all but. 00:14:26
Most of the meters that are being installed in the downtown area. 00:14:27
So that was that was very much needed. 00:14:31
Uh, we added a sewer clean out at back. 00:14:34
Sidewalk. 00:14:37
Uh, department. 00:14:38
By date now. 00:14:39
Parking lot layout drawings is another big one. 00:14:42
Umm, we we had parking lot. 00:14:45
Dimensions. 00:14:49
Or parking space dimensions in our code. 00:14:50
By bit. 00:14:53
Frequently and it it wasn't very clear, so we added a full sheet. 00:14:55
In our in our details showing parking lot dimensions of parking dimensions. 00:14:59
Umm, and that will be a focus. 00:15:05
Or has been really a focus of? 00:15:06
Our engineering reviews. 00:15:09
And then we're removing the the requirement for. 00:15:12
Survey monuments and roads, uh, that's. 00:15:15
Just kind of with today's technology. 00:15:17
Not really a. 00:15:19
A requirement that. 00:15:21
That we need. 00:15:22
And it and it creates. 00:15:23
That just puts puts more stuff. 00:15:26
Have issues? 00:15:29
Questions. 00:15:30
Yeah, on. 00:15:32
108090. 00:15:35
Do you have a? 00:15:37
Definition of landfill areas somewhere. 00:15:38
It's a little bit more detailed in the in the. 00:15:42
Typically we need to follow what the state estate definition is. 00:15:45
When it comes to. 00:15:50
Online like for example if it's a. 00:15:52
Now, if it's a, if it's a dozen in Atlanta, like there's permanent landfills and there's unpermitted landfills sometimes. 00:15:54
I ran through this quite a bit. 00:16:00
Myself for. 00:16:03
Uh. Turn the uh. 00:16:04
Excuse me? Uh. 00:16:08
Just a bit back and I think prior to the 19. 00:16:10
That was quite a bit, you know, now that they call them illegal. 00:16:14
People just dumping at places therefore, but. 00:16:18
Since I was a large now. 00:16:21
A very area for dumping. 00:16:22
The state class. 00:16:24
Classified with them as a landfill. 00:16:25
In another non-technical support. 00:16:27
71. 00:16:29
31. 00:16:30
On that. So that would be that would. 00:16:31
Nobody was following her. The state definition of the oil lands would be. 00:16:34
Obviously with the I mean there are states. 00:16:37
Regulations and laws prohibiting. 00:16:42
Contractors from Baron Trash. 00:16:43
On outside as well, so I mean. 00:16:46
That in itself would be a violation to stay to stay long that they wouldn't be able to. 00:16:48
Very trash has been built on top of it. 00:16:53
But if as an example of diseases is there. 00:16:55
I've been cracking the wrong topic. 00:17:00
But if I type developer. 00:17:02
Purchases a piece of parcel. 00:17:04
The person who needs pizza parcel. The fact that we're going to build something. 00:17:06
I go through the pipeline and so forth and during the geotechnical. 00:17:10
Uh, they discovered it was. 00:17:13
Like old landfill. 00:17:15
That would on the fact they purchased. 00:17:17
They would not be allowed to. 00:17:19
Build on it. They would have to. 00:17:20
So you can physically remove it. 00:17:22
Or recent plan in order to avoid it. 00:17:24
Itself I mean and just be some state. 00:17:27
Laws and regulations. 00:17:31
Yeah, but that's, I mean, that's why. So I mean, we had one while the old city. 00:17:32
Where the rental was actually done by the city, it was illegally done by the city trail. 00:17:37
The four permanent permits were had existed. 00:17:41
The city wanted to build a skate park on top of it. 00:17:44
And we? 00:17:47
May uh, we have to go. We have to ourselves. Are we running a lot to go see a park on top of the landfill? 00:17:48
I I guess I just would. 00:17:53
I think it might be helpful to have a definition. 00:17:55
Attached to that. 00:17:58
I know that the East Geneva site. 00:18:00
Has. 00:18:02
A lot of. 00:18:04
Materials. 00:18:05
That will ultimately be. 00:18:07
Buried, and I wouldn't. 00:18:09
I wouldn't want to prevent them from. 00:18:11
Having concrete debris, for example. 00:18:14
That's geotechnically sound. 00:18:17
Preventing them from putting something on top of it. 00:18:20
Yeah, and. 00:18:23
And so. 00:18:24
A definition would be good so that it's. 00:18:25
If if the intent is. 00:18:27
No garbage landfill. 00:18:28
Yeah, you know, surface build. 00:18:30
Let's be clear about that, because. 00:18:34
They were definitely going to be areas that have. 00:18:36
Debris fields. 00:18:39
Yeah. 00:18:41
And that's why. 00:18:42
I I thought the same game When when? 00:18:43
This was added and and this is how it reads. 00:18:46
Umm, landfill, construction debris or garbage. Any work around and related to landfills or areas with varied debris, waste or 00:18:49
garbage or require a phase one environmental report. 00:18:54
With recommendations for additional study. No building stage parking lots, paved roads, current gun sidewalks are allowed to be 00:18:59
located over landfills. 00:19:03
Construction debris or garbage. 00:19:07
And then we added this part. 00:19:09
Unless otherwise approved by the appropriate federal, state, and or city agency having jurisdiction. 00:19:11
Because I I. 00:19:18
I understood that. 00:19:19
There will be areas over in that area that will have a lot of debris, yeah. 00:19:20
Kind of flexing. I like cutting hairs a little bit. 00:19:24
Oh yeah. But yeah, I can't hear about certain things of. 00:19:28
Like a previous structure like foundation or a previous structure contact technical. 00:19:31
In Orlando. 00:19:35
By the way, it's tonight. It's time. It's since I was, uh. 00:19:36
That would that would be classified as abandoned. 00:19:39
Uh, advanced structure. 00:19:42
Probably could be noted out of the airground structure on top of it, it wouldn't be considered. 00:19:44
I thought they're turning things up. 00:19:49
Which require state property like mitigation. 00:19:51
Like probably like a. 00:19:54
Asphalt that those asphalt was buried underneath there then the state, uh. 00:19:56
Actually has regulations that. 00:20:01
It would not that would not be that progressively use but. 00:20:03
Usually old legacy things. 00:20:06
Uh, if it was done for a purpose like. 00:20:08
Foundation. 00:20:10
It's not. It's not considered the construction debris. 00:20:11
And so forth is the biggest. 00:20:14
Concern on this is really just. 00:20:16
And again, it's mostly helpful about on building. 00:20:18
It is sure that the structural capability of the foundation, so it would seem both on top of that is being assured. 00:20:22
Yeah, I I like the the geotechnical. 00:20:28
Stipulation. 00:20:32
Because we do know that the. 00:20:33
The remaining mountain. 00:20:35
In the eastern of the site. 00:20:37
Yeah, the intent is not to fully eliminate that. The intent is to bring it down to a. 00:20:39
A certain height that's. 00:20:44
Comparable to the Cameo. 00:20:45
Right. 00:20:47
And then? 00:20:47
Until 10 finished conducting if you have technical on it and do something on top of it so. 00:20:49
Yeah. 00:20:53
I don't want to just shoot that one in the foot right off the bat. 00:20:54
Right. 00:20:57
And and that's that's kind of acts as a catch all. 00:20:58
In a way. 00:21:01
So we can require additional studies or like environmental reports and whatnot on it. 00:21:02
May not have been an issue regardless, but I I think it's. 00:21:09
I got them still. 00:21:13
Is there soil pests? 00:21:16
That are included in those geotechnical or. 00:21:18
I can understand, yeah. Is there anything particular that you're thinking about on, on those? 00:21:21
Just in our responses out there, there was plenty of. 00:21:27
Sporadic dump sites where they just. 00:21:31
But they're chemicals. 00:21:33
That they they had out there and. 00:21:35
I was just thinking about. 00:21:38
Isn't that, yeah, isn't that usually requiring like a face to environmental? 00:21:40
Umm, I'm not as familiar with environment, Yeah, I mean. 00:21:45
So I mean, am I? 00:21:49
Don't quote me on this. 00:21:51
That is Aaron Markovitz. 00:21:52
On the Facebook environmental is kind of like a side survey to again then historical. 00:21:54
You think, but what's what's? 00:22:00
What has it been used for and what's been found? 00:22:02
And then that would trigger your candidate or pharmacist for Phase 2. The Phase 2 is. 00:22:05
That is when you can see your soul testing. 00:22:09
And more of like, okay, what the actual? 00:22:11
Airport contamination in the ground and we'll be happy to be done based on the use of. 00:22:15
What's been proposed? 00:22:20
And that all happens before anything can be built that that would happen like. 00:22:21
You know, as part of SO yesterday we went out and toured that site. 00:22:26
Yeah. And sat down and kind of went through the. 00:22:30
Regulatory side of it. 00:22:33
And they have Rick Ross. 00:22:36
And then a number of other. 00:22:38
Kind of. 00:22:40
Oversight. 00:22:41
Uh, plans and. 00:22:43
Jurisdiction through Department of Environmental quality. 00:22:46
Better managing that environmental cleanup site and. 00:22:49
And that includes. 00:22:52
Intense monitoring of soils. 00:22:54
All the way down to groundwater. 00:22:57
Umm, and how they're, how they're laying the material back out and spreading it and, and what materials they're spreading and 00:22:59
where they can spread it and what that will. 00:23:04
That will dictate future potential developments and so. 00:23:08
The Department of Environmental Quality issues. 00:23:12
Different levels of. 00:23:15
Of development. 00:23:17
Opportunity. 00:23:19
Once those. 00:23:20
Plans are complete. 00:23:22
They'll issue. 00:23:23
Uh, essentially either, uh. 00:23:25
No, no further action. No further action needed. Or they'll issue different levels of. 00:23:27
This could be commercial, but only commercial. 00:23:33
Is to be residential or you know the no further action is you can do anything you want there. 00:23:35
But that there's other tiers and so. 00:23:40
Before they can develop. 00:23:43
They it won't just be a soil test, it will be. 00:23:44
You know, years of soil testing. 00:23:48
All documented. 00:23:50
Uh, with a final report that. 00:23:52
Dictates what can then go there, and then it'll just after that'll be. 00:23:54
Whatever. 00:23:59
The cities. 00:24:00
Land use and zoning. 00:24:02
Would allow for, right? OK, yeah. 00:24:03
Yeah. 00:24:07
Moving on, there's. 00:24:13
So. 00:24:15
We're showing the. 00:24:16
The. 00:24:18
Right away cross stations the the right away cross stations they showed earlier were the ones that were in the transportation 00:24:19
master plan. 00:24:22
So they they're. 00:24:25
Kind of recreated in our in our drawings. 00:24:26
But then. 00:24:29
In the in the standard drawings it also shows. 00:24:30
Placement of. 00:24:33
Utilities. 00:24:34
You probably can't see this. 00:24:36
Real well, but. 00:24:37
Umm, it shows kind of the general layout. 00:24:39
Of how utilities should be installed under the roads. 00:24:42
Uh, landrame sewer. 00:24:46
Water and storm drain. 00:24:48
Um, and I really, I really liked this update because. 00:24:51
It is a requirement by the state that. 00:24:56
Sewer and water are. 00:24:58
Our planes 10 feet apart. 00:25:00
Minimum. 00:25:02
And uh, before we were showing center to center, which is not really how those. 00:25:03
Out of state breeds. 00:25:09
So we we're clarifying that here that it's. 00:25:11
Edge pipe. Edge Pipe. 00:25:13
Uh, so I feel like that was a big win. 00:25:16
Or that's a good one for us. 00:25:18
So these are just the updates. 00:25:24
Umm, I guess I should clarify. What's on the left is our new, and what's on the right is the old. 00:25:25
And so with the Transportation Master plan, we changed our Rd. 00:25:34
Our Rd. description to. 00:25:38
Arterial Collector. 00:25:43
And vocal roads. 00:25:45
Umm, before they were Parkway Blvd. and local I believe. 00:25:47
And so we're. 00:25:53
We're updating though that. 00:25:54
That description as well. 00:25:56
We have a lot of. 00:26:00
Drawings that we we just kind of are getting rid of as well. 00:26:01
So. 00:26:05
Again, the the left is the new. 00:26:07
The old is on the right. 00:26:09
A lot of our curb details we're just getting rid of because we're referencing APWA. 00:26:12
Um, is this cross gutter? One was particularly not. 00:26:18
Not really great. 00:26:23
So there's a much better one in a PWA. So we're just. 00:26:25
A lot of these details were just adopting what's in APWA. 00:26:28
So we're just kind of cleaning that up. 00:26:33
And another example, we're just getting ready this whole sheet. 00:26:36
Because all this is all. 00:26:40
Outlined in APWA. 00:26:41
I believe it's a lot. 00:26:44
Easier and better to. 00:26:47
To be uniform with other cities in Utah. 00:26:49
And refuse the same curve and gutter. 00:26:52
And you'll just link. 00:26:54
Patrick. 00:26:56
Specific section of APWA so that it's not. 00:26:58
Yeah, we lost in. 00:27:01
In a large manual. 00:27:04
Take off the check and see if we. 00:27:06
If we specifically go. 00:27:09
Link to that section. 00:27:11
Umm, at the very start of our specifications we we have a. 00:27:13
That will just go to a PWA. 00:27:17
Uh, yeah, it's not common that we actually. 00:27:20
Link to this this instruction in case APW. 00:27:22
Changes formatting. 00:27:26
Reference NCWA. 00:27:28
Itself on that. 00:27:30
As with the design engineers, they're. 00:27:34
They get to the point though with APWA, they're using it. 00:27:37
Constantly for. 00:27:40
For every project. 00:27:42
Like I got to the point where I had certain drawing numbers memorized. 00:27:43
I would just put in the. 00:27:47
Um. 00:27:50
It's it, yeah. 00:27:52
What what we do though, is uh. 00:27:53
There are there are lots of different curve, curve and gutter. 00:27:58
Designs in APWA. 00:28:01
And we we will reference what type of gutter we want. 00:28:04
And so. 00:28:09
Uh, for example, I think like this, this curb and gutter and APWA is a type T or something. 00:28:11
But there's different types. 00:28:18
And and that would. 00:28:19
APWA also shows. 00:28:21
30 inch and 24 inch. 00:28:22
Those are the 2 common sizes. 00:28:25
So that's that's another nice thing if. 00:28:27
If we do want to use 24 inch carbon gutter to match up with existing carbon gutter. 00:28:31
We can we can tell them just use the APWA 24 inch. 00:28:36
And it's there. 00:28:40
So we don't have to have a bunch of. 00:28:41
Different carbon gutter. 00:28:43
Detailed. 00:28:45
Uh, there's. 00:28:50
There's just a lot of general little cleanup. 00:28:51
Changing the. 00:28:53
The curb. 00:28:54
Bit kind of a big one. We took out the. 00:28:56
C term. C term details. 00:28:59
I was just general clean up there. 00:29:02
This is the fire hydrant apron that we're adding. 00:29:05
Basically just a. 00:29:09
A slab of concrete. 00:29:11
That will be that will go around the hydrant. 00:29:13
To give a nicer. 00:29:16
Place to to work. 00:29:18
When you're when you're hooking up to the hydrant. 00:29:19
I'm sorry, you probably can't see that really well. I can go the actual detail, maybe that'll. 00:29:24
Now let me just go to there. 00:29:30
Detail and these are the ones that are specific to us. 00:29:32
Yeah, these these are specific. 00:29:37
Order this thing so. 00:29:39
Particularly has some variety. 00:29:41
APWA and certain instances. 00:29:43
Hey, Patrick, can you go back to environment? 00:29:58
OK, sounds. It sounds like. 00:30:00
Hey zoom in on the the the height of the base of the fire having to be from from the ground. 00:30:02
So it says 2 inches to the bolts. 00:30:07
Purchase a joint. 00:30:11
For the finished credit. 00:30:13
But then I thought we had. 00:30:14
That's assuming the fire hydrant itself is a standard hard. 00:30:17
There's no shortage, right? 00:30:20
You know, I thought we had it. 00:30:22
Dimension to the nozzle. 00:30:24
We did have that dimension. Maybe it got. 00:30:38
Maybe it's somewhere else, but you're, you're talking about the nozzle, right? Yeah, he's talking about. 00:30:41
Yeah, just, uh, when the uh. 00:30:47
Uh, uh, firefighters are responding that they have enough room. 00:30:50
Perhaps for their tools to stand around. 00:30:54
Alright. 00:30:57
Yeah, good, good catch. 00:30:59
I, I thought we had that in there. I, I know we've. 00:31:01
We've had that. 00:31:04
But that's good to show there. 00:31:06
Another change we made on this. 00:31:09
Because, uh, I'll, I'll go to our old detail real fast. 00:31:11
We had the tracer wire. 00:31:16
The transfer wire would come up hydrant. 00:31:18
And then peak out. 00:31:21
And then they would just. 00:31:23
Tied onto the chain on the hydrant or something. It's. 00:31:24
Just kind of just ugly. It's got it got in the way. 00:31:27
Umm, but now we're we have the tracer wire come up into a. 00:31:30
A little pipe. 00:31:35
That that will be embedded. 00:31:36
In the concrete with a with a cap. 00:31:37
So it'll be all it'll be nice and clean you'll you won't see a wires picking up. 00:31:40
You know, an extravagant anymore. 00:31:44
So that that was one thing I really liked. 00:31:47
And part of the other reason I I. 00:31:51
Mentioned the the aprons. 00:31:54
So people can. 00:31:56
Work nicely around this, but another reason is when you blow off a hydrant, you're not. 00:31:58
You can blow it off and not destroy the landscaping around it, you know. 00:32:03
This is uh. 00:32:15
When I was. 00:32:16
Talking about with our. 00:32:18
Uh, the vault. This is the old vault detail, and it just didn't make. 00:32:21
Stands for what we used in the city, so we got rid of that one. 00:32:25
Um, I guess we're gonna put the. 00:32:29
The new one is a lot cleaner. 00:32:34
So this is this is a new one. 00:32:39
Uh, so this this is the new vault that we're. 00:32:42
We're putting downtown for all the three inch meters. 00:32:45
So it's a lot nicer. 00:32:49
Uh, this This one shows the clean out at the. 00:32:56
Property line like I mentioned before. 00:32:58
Umm. And then changing. 00:33:01
Changing uh. 00:33:04
The amount of clean so. 00:33:06
Before we just required a clean out every 100 feet. 00:33:08
No matter the. 00:33:12
Size of the pipe. 00:33:13
So now we're we're changing it to. 00:33:14
With a four inch pipe you need to put clean outs. 00:33:16
And as mentioned earlier, this is our sheet for. 00:33:22
Parking spaces. Parking dimensions. 00:33:25
Um, so this will be. 00:33:28
Uh, really good to have. 00:33:30
A lot, a lot more straightforward. 00:33:32
Before in our code, it just kind of had a generic. 00:33:35
And it just basically said parking stalls should be 9 foot wide and. 00:33:39
18 feet long or something. It was, it was. 00:33:44
Not very detailed. 00:33:47
But this this is a lot more detailed. 00:33:48
Patrick, when you talk about parking, is this parking within the public right of way? 00:33:52
So because our our zoning. 00:33:57
Has our parking requirements and so we would want to make sure there's not a conflict between those two. 00:33:59
I'm sorry, I believe you. 00:34:05
I mean this. 00:34:07
With advance to the parking along. 00:34:08
Uh, that specifically. 00:34:11
Uh, and correct me if I'm wrong, Doctor, but I mean, really what this does is provide a little bit more clarification in terms of. 00:34:13
The parking. 00:34:20
I'm more out of space, like I believe the zoning. 00:34:22
Requirements provides. 00:34:26
Like a parking stall should be X amount of feet wide and deep. 00:34:28
And this kind of goes a little bit into more detail to say. 00:34:32
The cause? I'm sorry. 00:34:36
Uh, the, the zoning. 00:34:39
On put down their usable parking stall. 00:34:41
Where this kind goes and say it goes in more detail to say when you do angle parking. 00:34:44
Your lines are going to be. 00:34:48
Be in order to. 00:34:53
Because the that ATM fee. 00:34:55
The line does not translate into an 18 foot. 00:34:56
Length usable. 00:34:59
And actually translate translate less than that. 00:35:00
So that it says in order to do an angle parking. 00:35:04
Parking install line. The length of your parking stall line should be like more like. 00:35:07
Deposited almost 20 years, I don't know 19. 00:35:12
Something like that, Patrick, right? 00:35:14
So and then. 00:35:16
This one shows 34 eight for that line well, but it then goes and says then it just alarms like. 00:35:17
In order to get. 00:35:24
To make to make the usable parking stall length. 00:35:25
That, uh. 00:35:29
This is what the. 00:35:31
This is what? 00:35:32
Should should be out. 00:35:33
I I guess my point is. 00:35:35
Do I understand wanting to capture some of your public requirements like your right of way requirements for parking within this 00:35:38
document? 00:35:42
But where we have things that are land use. 00:35:47
That are like covered in zoning. Is it better to move some of that? 00:35:49
To zoning. 00:35:53
And she can't keep him right away, right away. 00:35:55
As opposed to having like like the the property stuff that's covered in zoning? Well, technically this is. 00:35:58
The survey just for public infrastructure, so. 00:36:03
For the public stuff. 00:36:06
I went going to the private. 00:36:08
Uh, private. 00:36:09
Uh, if they did. 00:36:10
Thank you Parking. Like if you wanna do park, uh, an angle parking stall. 00:36:13
That's not deep enough. 00:36:16
I'll say that anymore, I think I'll keep enough like if they say. 00:36:17
Well, you know. 00:36:20
We already need AT&T. 00:36:22
That they do their, they do an angle line and they do agency. 00:36:24
OK, what I want to do is I'll have. 00:36:28
Cars like longer cars. 00:36:30
Taking out and so forth and. 00:36:33
I kinda like more on the than that kind of falls on the. 00:36:35
The ownership, the liability is the actual property owner. I'm not concerned with like the dimensions and what the OK it's more 00:36:39
of. 00:36:43
Umm, or do we have conflicts between the zoning if I'm an architect and I'm laying out a conceptual plan for a client? 00:36:48
Am I looking at the zoning ordinance and then knowing I should actually be going to those documents? 00:36:55
So there's. 00:37:00
Because I, I, I know you're saying this. I, I, I got what you said. 00:37:01
System like what are our? 00:37:06
Private requirements on private property. 00:37:07
Versus property we own or public driveway, we should have some consistency and I'm OK. 00:37:10
If this is the standard, but we need to make sure we have those those connections between the zoning and this document so it. 00:37:15
Yeah, the the way I looked at it was if you have. 00:37:21
A special like zoning district like we have special. 00:37:24
Parking drawings for the downtown area. 00:37:27
Umm, so that that would kind of supersede. 00:37:30
Umm, this general one. 00:37:33
I I I feel like. 00:37:36
Umm. Anthony pulled up. 00:37:38
What are? 00:37:40
Current zoning code. 00:37:41
Has for parking. 00:37:42
It basically just has a table. 00:37:44
Umm, where it just says standard parking with 9 feet 20 foot length, parallel 8 feet. 00:37:46
24 foot length. 00:37:51
Umm, and it does this kind of and then parking the aisle dimensions as a little table for parking aisle dimension. So and that's 00:37:53
so. 00:37:57
It's. So I guess my question is to answer you. Have you reviewed this? Does this meet well? 00:38:01
We what what we could use. 00:38:06
To the I, I guess what I don't want is like 2 policies. 00:38:08
So maybe they kind of address different things, but really our city, like I think we should have one. 00:38:11
At least dimensionally, one parking standard. And then like we, we, we have that and we just. 00:38:16
If it's in our parking, if our parking shows more of. 00:38:22
Like if you're a bank, you need X number of stalls per thousand square feet. 00:38:25
Like like like the. 00:38:30
The numbers are OK in our code, but if we already have this. 00:38:31
Saying dimensionally, this is what you need to have in this for aisles. 00:38:35
Umm, why don't we just keep that one spot and then we reference? 00:38:39
Like the the dimension stuff. 00:38:42
I don't know have have you looked at that answer is that. 00:38:44
OK, well that's that's probably something we need to do pretty quickly then to. 00:38:47
Yeah, I, I, I I I just don't want 2 conflicting documents. 00:38:51
Even if ours is really general and there's more. 00:38:55
I think I'd rather just. 00:38:57
Rather just like. 00:38:58
Like send everyone to 1 document. 00:39:00
Yeah. No, that's a good point. Yeah, just just reference. 00:39:02
The one, yeah, so. 00:39:05
Yeah, we can talk about it now. Yeah, that's a good point. We we need to consolidate. 00:39:08
OK. Thank you. 00:39:13
Uh, this is just getting rid of the survey monuments. 00:39:20
And, uh, I. 00:39:23
It. 00:39:24
Sorry, it's been a long time on that. 00:39:27
Is there any other questions? There's there's a lot of detail and and all this, but. 00:39:30
I I don't wanna. 00:39:36
We would spend all day if we went through. 00:39:37
Everything but. 00:39:40
Are there any questions? 00:39:41
Patty, do you want to bring up your concerns? Do you have? 00:39:44
Some comments. 00:39:50
Yeah. 00:39:51
To talk about. 00:39:54
And so I can. 00:39:56
Sophistication because the. 00:39:57
My general area of expertise. 00:40:00
But I did go over. 00:40:02
For the administrative. 00:40:03
Just make sure that. 00:40:06
Sort of on the same thing that. 00:40:12
Consistency so. 00:40:15
In section 104. 00:40:18
1.04.020, page 4. 00:40:21
Section. 00:40:24
4. 00:40:26
Before under permits. 00:40:29
It says the contract is responsible to obtain all required business licenses and. 00:40:31
Permits applicable for this project. 00:40:35
I think it could be engineering permit. 00:40:37
Because we're talking about. 00:40:42
Like specifically this section is talking about. 00:40:45
The requirements for. 00:40:48
Umm pre construction. 00:40:50
I think the intent of this was to. 00:40:53
To basically make sure that. 00:40:58
They get all. 00:41:00
Permits that are required. 00:41:01
So they're not, so they're. 00:41:03
We're we're not saying. 00:41:04
Or you can't just go out and start construction. 00:41:06
Umm, with some permits, but not. 00:41:10
All, yeah, we can change that. No, we can change that to the all per all per all applicable permit. 00:41:12
Uh by the uh. 00:41:18
Through the through the. 00:41:20
Yes, he's a respected agency. 00:41:23
Yeah, we can just say applicable permit. 00:41:26
Maybe more broader languages? 00:41:28
Is better to just sort of like capture if anything. 00:41:29
To be required. 00:41:32
Um, page 5 under. 00:41:34
Section uh. 00:41:37
Under Bonds, Section C. 00:41:39
It notes. 00:41:42
Bond is required. 00:41:44
Um, and the second be. 00:41:46
A Letters in the bank. 00:41:50
Uh, survey. 00:41:52
Purity Company or cash? 00:41:53
So just to make consistently uh. 00:41:55
As of May, finance department asked that we no longer do cash on. 00:41:58
Because of the state code interest rate requirements for state code 10-98-SO4. 00:42:02
So we probably just wanna take cash funds out of. 00:42:12
So we probably just want to remove it from. 00:42:17
The function as well. 00:42:23
Yeah, I think, uh. 00:42:26
Yeah. And uh, I think, I think we were keeping, uh, and we'll, I'll talk, we'll talk to the finance. I think we were keeping our 00:42:27
cash bonds for the fact that. 00:42:31
Because we do have any questions on. 00:42:34
I guess that that would be small. 00:42:37
And, umm. 00:42:40
Taking, uh, typically not answers. 00:42:42
Security line but not. 00:42:45
They don't have to do that. I mean specifically requested that we not do cash funds anymore because of the interest rate bearing 00:42:49
requirements. 00:42:53
That you have to put him in. 00:42:57
Industry during accounts. 00:42:58
Separate for each one. 00:43:01
And then pay that out so that that we would have to calculate the interest rate for how long we're keeping those on. 00:43:03
And if they have any. 00:43:09
Yeah, we understand. Well, uh, we'll confirm with Doug. 00:43:12
With the financial? 00:43:15
Department insurance, yeah. 00:43:16
One item on there. 00:43:18
We're trying to keep it level because I know there's cities out there like they're they're removing surety bonds. 00:43:19
Out of of as a requirement because they don't want to deal with your company. So if we. 00:43:27
We're keeping them and they're because sure, that's. 00:43:31
To allow. 00:43:34
Contractors to have a wide. 00:43:35
To have their options in order to perform. 00:43:38
Themselves. 00:43:41
Uh. This, uh. 00:43:42
Bother. Like we do have some instances where bows are like $2500. 00:43:45
2525 hundred dollars. 00:43:49
$2500. 00:43:52
On and so forth. 00:43:53
And we just wanna make sure we don't put any, uh. 00:43:55
Any undue burden on a? 00:43:57
Uh, contractor to go out and get a surety bond or. 00:44:00
Error credit or something like that. 00:44:03
When they were just rather just. 00:44:05
Provided $2500 check Yes. 00:44:07
That's made it back in interest, so. 00:44:10
I think those are usually playing. 00:44:12
But we'll make sure we're the finance department that they're comfortable with. 00:44:14
Those type of occurrences as well. 00:44:17
I wonder if we could put like a. 00:44:20
A time limit. 00:44:22
On on the bond on small cash bonds for 40. 00:44:23
Before your attention. 00:44:27
Because yeah, the the hard part is. 00:44:30
With encroachment permits. 00:44:32
It's it's very quick. 00:44:34
So they'll submit an encroachment permit. They'll want to start working in a couple days. 00:44:36
And it's it's very difficult to get. 00:44:42
Like we're we're going through this right now with. 00:44:45
Dunbridge It's very difficult to get any other type of bond from. 00:44:47
From them. 00:44:51
I mean, I think there were other reasons for the difficulty on that, but. 00:44:52
It was very difficult to get. 00:44:56
A small. 00:44:58
On like the 5002 to $5000 bond. 00:44:59
And we do have that and we do have I think one company in the past and I think before we're. 00:45:02
A developer may choose if they have the cash for they may choose to do a extra bond. 00:45:08
Cash calling where they put all their cash into an escrow account. 00:45:12
And then they just, uh. 00:45:16
And but they they hold on to the account and any interest. 00:45:18
Being a cure occurred on the on the on that. 00:45:21
Uh, is stays with, stays with the contractors themselves, but. 00:45:24
In essence, it's not. It's not sure you've gone. It's not a. 00:45:28
Letter credit cards, OK. 00:45:31
Cash bond held. 00:45:33
Uh, held with a. 00:45:34
Developers. 00:45:35
Uh, that's right. 00:45:36
I don't know. I mean that that would be another something that we allow. 00:45:38
Or subdivisions right now through municipal code. So that was another note I had is maybe we add as through. 00:45:43
To that as an option. OK. 00:45:49
Uh, because it's currently not listed as an. 00:45:51
But it is in our municipal. 00:45:54
So this is a bit of a contradiction. 00:45:58
My page 6 second paragraph. 00:46:06
Just where it mentioned. 00:46:08
Uh, looks like the the the. 00:46:10
Contractor deposit was added and bond was removed, but everything else in that section still refers to contractor bonds. 00:46:13
So I just don't know. 00:46:21
If we just wanna continue that to say contractor bond instead. 00:46:23
Changing the contractor deposit, but we didn't change anything else in that section, the contractor deposit. 00:46:26
Uh, good catch. This was kind of an attempt to. 00:46:31
We're we're wondering if there is a way we can get away from. 00:46:36
The bond with interest. 00:46:39
Right. Can we do like cash deposits without it being? 00:46:42
Yeah, so. 00:46:50
And and that's fine if we all change it to the deposit. 00:46:52
Were they? Then maybe that is a way to not have to deal with the interest rate requirements for a cash fund. 00:46:55
Umm, as you're just requiring the cash upfront as a deposit that you'll return back. 00:47:01
Related to them. 00:47:06
Yes, if. If we're doing it that way, then we would just want to consistently change this section to. 00:47:10
Continue to work. 00:47:15
Use the word deposit instead of bond. 00:47:16
Umm, this particular section had a couple of times where it's just referring to contractor bond instead of contracted deposit, 00:47:21
that's all. So there's just like. 00:47:24
I'll take a hit for that, I told. 00:47:30
Chambers of Law, please. 00:47:32
And then same page but under section. 00:47:33
To be you have. 00:47:41
The people that are required for preconstruction conferences. 00:47:43
And you've added major subcontractors? 00:47:46
So city engineer, landowner, and contractor are all defined terms within definitions at the beginning of this section, but major 00:47:49
subcontractors aren't. 00:47:53
And so and. 00:47:58
Just wondering if we wanna add language. 00:48:00
To provide insight to the contractor and to the applicant. 00:48:03
Who those subconscious who? What is a major subcontractor that you are going to require to attend? 00:48:07
So is that your ex? 00:48:15
Excavators that you're like. 00:48:16
What? What is the definition of a sub? 00:48:18
A major subcontractor. 00:48:20
Yeah, Yeah, I think we can. 00:48:24
Add some language. 00:48:26
Yeah, the reason we put major contractor was. 00:48:30
We we basically just wanted to capture the excavator. 00:48:32
OK, we didn't want all the stuff showing up. 00:48:37
And my only thing is to like we want to delineate any confusion to applicants. 00:48:41
In the if. 00:48:46
Someone would consider to be a major subcontractor isn't invited or. 00:48:47
Brought to the meeting that it does not cause a delay. 00:48:52
Because they do not have an understanding of. 00:48:55
What those who those people were. 00:48:57
Yeah, like contractor and landowner are clearly defined. 00:48:59
In the definition. That's fine, I think. I mean. 00:49:04
Install the principle that's. 00:49:06
A developer. 00:49:08
Is this all party responsible for the project now? 00:49:10
If for any reason that they choose to change out their contract or manage your project. 00:49:13
There's no reason for us to do another. 00:49:17
Meeting without. 00:49:20
Major stuff contracting like that's the major and so forth. 00:49:22
And there is there any issues it just goes directly to the to the developer itself. 00:49:25
As very long term. 00:49:29
Pulling the permit. 00:49:30
But uh. 00:49:32
Well, to find that, we'll, we'll, we'll put a definition in there. 00:49:34
To ensure that, yeah. And you can even then like. 00:49:37
Like that section that maybe they're not required as the responsibility still falls under the contractor. 00:49:41
But. 00:49:47
That the city highly recom. 00:49:48
Any major subcontractors, including excavators? 00:49:50
Reconstruction Meeting. 00:49:54
Umm, they they under time limit? 00:49:55
There is a. 00:49:59
Contradictory here with the time limitations for landed service permit. 00:50:00
As Municipal Code section 7.08 dot 040G. 00:50:04
Specifically also. 00:50:09
Called anticip. 00:50:11
Permanent limitations. 00:50:12
So we just want to make sure that those are either consistent. 00:50:14
Or that one section is referring to the other one. That's like. 00:50:17
The best way to do it is to. 00:50:21
To have one section refer to the other so you don't have to update both. 00:50:23
Time and both documents every time when we can change. 00:50:27
OK. Yeah, that's good point. 00:50:32
Yeah, and then our page. 00:50:49
12 under Section 8 Notification of. 00:50:51
There is. You kind of worded what you wanted. 00:50:56
The notice. 00:51:01
To say, did you want to have a requirement for them to add? 00:51:01
And contact for. 00:51:06
Who that resident should reach out to if they have questions or concerns on the project. 00:51:09
So there's nothing in here that requires any sort of notification. 00:51:14
For the deployed emergency contacts. 00:51:17
For context for residents when they're concerned. 00:51:20
But I know we've received. 00:51:23
Thing from. 00:51:25
Community members. 00:51:27
Because they didn't know who who to go to. 00:51:29
When construction is happening in the right way. 00:51:31
So put it put something in for res who residents can contact. 00:51:37
Wait, are we going to require the contractor to provide a contact number? 00:51:42
For residents to reach out to either the contractor or do we want to have them put. 00:51:46
Generic language on. 00:51:51
Who they reach out to with us in the city? 00:51:53
Official concerns. 00:51:55
In those projects, but I know we had a lot of those issues with like the Comcast ones. 00:51:57
That we're done. 00:52:01
And. 00:52:02
No information provided to the residents like. 00:52:05
In that who they should contact you. 00:52:09
So I think this takes care of the wind, but not. 00:52:11
OK, I see that. 00:52:18
We'll, we'll have them. We'll have add. 00:52:23
Um. 00:52:26
Yeah, I just didn't know if we wanted to. 00:52:31
To expand that sentiment. 00:52:32
A little bit, just to be more. 00:52:34
Like. 00:52:35
If we don't put it on as a requirement, they're not going to put it on the note. 00:52:36
Because they they. 00:52:42
They aren't getting anything out right having community members reach out to themselves. 00:52:43
Yeah. 00:52:48
And then take. 00:52:50
Team under electronic under record. 00:52:53
Uh, section D, third paragraph where it talks about final inspection may not be scheduled until the record drawings are. 00:52:58
And required electronic files or receipts. 00:53:06
So that is a conditional statement. 00:53:08
That they cannot do a final inspection, so this act may not. 00:53:10
The same as shown on it in this case. 00:53:14
But it's not consistent with the language that you have. 00:53:17
In section one that. 00:53:20
08 That's 030. 00:53:23
That basically says. 00:53:26
You can require so I would just make that consistent with that. 00:53:27
So that you have the option. 00:53:31
To give a final inspection or not do a final inspection. 00:53:33
And and make the record for me. 00:53:36
Yeah, we were trying to leave the option open, close the other section number. 00:53:38
Uh, 1.08. 00:53:43
Dot UH-030, Section 2. 00:53:46
So I just copy that sentence under. 00:53:49
The number that we. 00:53:50
The language in that was. 00:53:52
You know, gave you the. 00:53:54
He said 1.08.003. 00:53:57
1.08 dot 03077. 00:54:01
006F. 00:54:06
OK, 3. 00:54:10
Yes, 1.08.030. 00:54:13
I might catch you. 00:54:16
Like that? 00:54:20
I'll find it. 00:54:22
Umm, it's on page. 00:54:25
I didn't write attention, sorry. 00:54:33
Teachers. 00:54:40
Page 18 under warranty bond. 00:54:49
You mentioned a minimum $500 contractor bond. 00:54:51
This is not listed in the consolidated change schedule. 00:54:54
So you just want to be very careful. 00:54:57
Uh, they cannot charge, uh. 00:54:59
And see this isn't listed in the minimum. 00:55:01
Like you can't turn defeated. 00:55:04
And so you'll probably just want to put a minimum of $500 on the fee schedule. 00:55:08
So that you can charge. 00:55:12
Which pages? Right now the fee schedule just says 10%. 00:55:14
Which page? Which page is that on? 00:55:19
Starting page 18. 00:55:22
Excuse me? 00:55:24
Umm, and then. 00:55:40
Under page 19. 00:55:42
Under variances such as the. 00:55:44
The last sentence. 00:55:47
Your appeal processes. 00:55:49
That's a lot of appeals. 00:55:52
So I would probably. 00:55:55
The Ombudsman can still not. 00:55:57
A lot of the. 00:56:00
I would probably suggest. 00:56:02
Removing at least one, I wouldn't have more than two appeal processes. 00:56:04
For people. 00:56:08
Before they start going to the courses. 00:56:09
My suggestion would probably be to take out the Planning Commission if they don't want my Commission as a quasi judicial board. 00:56:12
OK, but that. 00:56:24
You know the. 00:56:24
You know, up to discussion. 00:56:25
It typically like having. 00:56:27
A lot of appeal processes. 00:56:29
Seems to be something that gets. 00:56:31
We can't delete it for people. 00:56:33
And that was the last note I made. 00:56:46
Yes, that was the last building you made, everything else given. 00:56:48
Into like the specifications and then. 00:56:50
Thank you guys very much. 00:56:53
Mm-hmm. 00:56:56
Uh, OK. Yeah. Thanks Dan for that. 00:57:00
Yeah, you're welcome. 00:57:05
No thanks, Betty. I was expecting to be reprimanded. 00:57:10
That's good. 00:57:18
Anybody have any other concerns? 00:57:19
OK. 00:57:23
But any staff or commissioner in courts. 00:57:25
Move this to agenda. Thank you guys. 00:57:31
OK. 00:57:33