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I can have. 00:00:00
Anthony, are you able to hop on? 00:00:05
Thank you. 00:00:09
All right, I'd like to call the order of the. 00:00:31
DRC meeting is October 16th. 00:00:34
And it is 9:11 AM. 00:00:37
Move to our consent items. We have a 2.1 approval of the September 18, 2025 DRC meeting minutes. Can I get in a? 00:00:41
Yeah. 00:00:52
Aye, Motion to approve the. 00:00:57
DRC maintenance of September 18th. 00:00:59
2025. 00:01:01
First N. 00:01:03
2nd. 00:01:05
Second by Eric, All in favor. 00:01:06
Aye, any opposed? 00:01:08
That moves us to our. 00:01:12
Work session. 00:01:13
4.1 An update to the Vineyard City development standards and design specifications. 00:01:15
And they believe Patrick is going to present this? 00:01:20
Yeah, let me get. 00:01:25
Get up on the screen. 00:01:26
OK. 00:01:48
So we have been. 00:01:53
Consulting with. 00:01:55
Chris Thompson. 00:01:57
Who is now with? 00:01:58
Hence now and in loose. 00:01:59
To revise our. 00:02:02
Construction standard drawings and and specifications. 00:02:04
And we are. 00:02:09
At completion or. 00:02:10
Very near completion on those now. 00:02:12
The reason the purpose for this is. 00:02:16
I guess there's a couple reasons that we've been doing this. 00:02:19
First of all. 00:02:22
It's been quite a while since. 00:02:23
The standard drawings and specifications were updated. 00:02:25
I believe the last. 00:02:29
The last round of. 00:02:30
Updates for the drawings were was 2016 I believe. 00:02:31
So it's been quite a while. 00:02:36
Some of the specifications even go back to 2007. 00:02:39
So it was. It was. 00:02:43
Quite needed. 00:02:45
For an update. 00:02:46
Another reason for the update is. 00:02:48
Apwa. 00:02:53
Updated their specifications in standard drawings. 00:02:55
And with that. 00:02:58
So they have this 2025 edition. 00:03:00
Now. And with that, we wanted to. 00:03:03
Kind of. 00:03:06
Adopt more apwa. 00:03:07
Come in more alignment with other cities. 00:03:10
Across Utah. 00:03:13
And these? 00:03:15
Specifications and drawings from. 00:03:16
From APW. 00:03:18
Apwa are are. 00:03:19
Quite extensive and pretty good. 00:03:21
And so it's it just makes sense to adopt A lot of a lot of that. 00:03:24
And. 00:03:30
Just kind of. 00:03:31
Make. 00:03:33
Things more simple for for construction specifications on that front. 00:03:33
APWA also. 00:03:39
Made. I'll just show you like real quick. 00:03:42
So these. 00:03:45
So their plans and and specifications are. 00:03:46
Our online. 00:03:49
Free to use SO. 00:03:52
All cities, all contractors, all. 00:03:55
Design engineers can easily get on there and find these. 00:03:57
Now which? 00:04:02
As I was previously a design engineer, so I. 00:04:03
Very much appreciate that. 00:04:08
Let me input that. 00:04:12
Dinner, but you're still a design engineer. 00:04:13
Yeah, yeah. 00:04:15
I guess so. 00:04:16
In a way sometimes. 00:04:18
So just to go through some changes in our specifications, probably the biggest change. 00:04:22
That we did was we we completely reformatted the specifications. 00:04:29
We changed around the sections and the. 00:04:35
And the titles headings. 00:04:39
Just to try to make it more clear. 00:04:41
And so. 00:04:44
And then? 00:04:45
We're also. 00:04:46
Putting that on to Municode. 00:04:48
So and everything has links. 00:04:51
So contractors or engineers can go in there and. 00:04:54
Click on links and it'll take it right to. 00:04:57
Specific sections or other parts of our code which will be really nice. 00:05:01
So that's really. 00:05:07
You know the bulk of it. 00:05:09
But our specifications is to reiterate a little bit, our specifications are. 00:05:11
Are more like a supplemental specification set. 00:05:16
Supplemental to the APWA specifications. 00:05:20
We also had a design criteria. 00:05:27
Document. 00:05:31
That, uh. 00:05:32
That you can see the date down here for that was 2016. 00:05:33
So needed. 00:05:37
A little updating. 00:05:38
And this design document for up until now it was a stand alone document. 00:05:41
But we decided to integrate this document into our specifications. 00:05:47
So now this is all. 00:05:52
In our specifications. 00:05:54
We also went through the Transportation Master Plan update. 00:05:59
A lot of our cross section, Rd. cross section has changed things like that. 00:06:04
And so now our specifications. 00:06:08
Refer to the new Transportation Master plan and reflect the updated. 00:06:11
Cross sections and things that are found in the master plan. 00:06:17
I guess I could just actually do a slideshow. 00:06:25
So to give you an example of. 00:06:29
Of some of those so these are in the new cross sections that. 00:06:31
That were shown. 00:06:35
That are shown in our. 00:06:36
Transportation master plan. 00:06:38
Just giving some updates on. 00:06:41
On what our standard St. 00:06:44
Section will look like. 00:06:46
So as I mentioned before. 00:06:56
This will all be This will be a book. Now our. 00:06:59
Specifications and drawings will be. 00:07:02
A book in Municode now. 00:07:05
And so it'll be. 00:07:07
Right there along our other code. 00:07:08
And so people can easily. 00:07:11
Find it. 00:07:13
And cross reference. 00:07:14
Other codes. 00:07:16
So that'll be really nice. 00:07:17
We have several links in the specifications that will link you directly to. 00:07:22
Codes or ordinances, specifically storm water. 00:07:28
Criteria. Things like that. 00:07:32
Here. 00:07:37
Like a few notable. 00:07:38
Changes. 00:07:39
That were made. 00:07:41
We added a requirement for contractors to submit. 00:07:43
Time dated video footage. 00:07:47
Of the construction site. 00:07:49
Before they start construction that way. 00:07:51
If there's any disputes. 00:07:54
We can go back and reference that video. 00:07:55
And see what was damaged during construction. 00:07:58
To protect the city and. 00:08:03
Just keep. 00:08:07
Keep things up to date there. 00:08:07
Another big change was all curbing gutter. We decided to change to 30 inch. 00:08:10
Curb and gutter We're currently at 24 inch. 00:08:16
That reduces the amount of pavement. 00:08:20
That is, is that in the road? 00:08:23
Reduces maintenance costs and deterioration. 00:08:25
Concrete holds up a lot better. 00:08:29
There are also benefits with stormwater. 00:08:31
A 30 inch curb and gutter can hold. 00:08:35
Hold more storm water. 00:08:38
Has more capacity there. 00:08:40
We understand that. 00:08:43
Since we have been using 24 inch with carbon gutter for. 00:08:46
A long time. 00:08:50
Most of our city has 24 inch curb and gutter. 00:08:51
So. 00:08:55
We we will analyze. 00:08:55
Each location as new developments come in, we don't want. 00:08:58
You know, weird mismatch of curbing gutters so. 00:09:02
Will allow developers to still use the 24 inch in situations where it matches up to the existing. 00:09:05
I envision this as mostly. 00:09:13
This will be mostly applied in the. 00:09:15
East Geneva area. 00:09:19
When that gets developed. 00:09:21
Another reason for this is UDOT uses a 30 inch curb and gutter. So wherever our curb and gutter. 00:09:24
Matches up with Udots. 00:09:31
It it will make for a more seamless transition. 00:09:33
Going from a 30 inch to a 24. 00:09:38
Causes some weird. 00:09:41
Weird issues. 00:09:42
And so that will help with that. 00:09:44
So within 250 feet of railroad crossings, no St. intersections, and a diagnostic required for accesses. 00:09:48
This is something we that have that's come up a few times. 00:09:57
Fairly recently. 00:10:02
Any development near our railroad crossing needs a diagnostic review by. 00:10:03
By the railroad and UDOT. 00:10:10
And so that. 00:10:12
That just. 00:10:13
Puts it in the in the specification so that. 00:10:14
Where that gets caught? 00:10:17
It's not a good thing to start. 00:10:19
Construction and then go back and. 00:10:22
Do a diagnostic later and kind of ask for forgiveness. 00:10:25
And so this this will put it up front. 00:10:28
Full, yeah. 00:10:32
Does it need to be stated? 00:10:34
At grade. 00:10:36
Is that just inferred? 00:10:37
That is a good question, I'll. 00:10:40
I'll check and see if. 00:10:41
If we need to put at grade in there. 00:10:45
I don't think it mentions at. 00:10:50
Presumably it wouldn't. 00:10:54
Apply within. 00:10:56
Overpass. 00:10:57
Because it wouldn't. 00:11:00
There would really be no conflict with. 00:11:01
Lining up cars. 00:11:04
Associated with a railroad, which is what I assume that that. 00:11:05
Consideration is for. 00:11:09
Yeah. 00:11:11
Yeah, I think it would just I think it's common for it and in the engineering world, when you say crossing. 00:11:12
Crosses through and. 00:11:17
You know, we use overpass or underpass quite often, but. 00:11:19
Maybe just to make sure that it's written properly for the? 00:11:22
Layperson. 00:11:25
But typically like even. 00:11:34
It doesn't really specify it. 00:11:39
Necessarily, but. 00:11:41
We'll get, we'll have that clarified. We can even put down as, as, as required or as needed. So therefore things change in the 00:11:42
future we can. 00:11:46
Ensure that Union Pacific or. 00:11:49
Or the railroad authority. 00:11:52
Gets coordinated communication with. 00:11:54
OK, that's a good point. 00:12:02
We added a specification there that. 00:12:08
During developments at the full. 00:12:12
When they come up to an intersection as a road intersection and there's a phase line that. 00:12:14
Full intersection must be constructed. 00:12:19
I don't know if we've necessarily had issues with that in the past, but. 00:12:22
That's just a good thing to put in there so we don't end up having. 00:12:25
Half's intersections. 00:12:30
This awkward. 00:12:32
Traffic flows. 00:12:34
Buildings or pavements not allowed over landfill. 00:12:37
Areas, uh. 00:12:40
So this one we put we. 00:12:42
We put a clause in there because we we will have a lot of. 00:12:44
A lot of construction over. 00:12:48
Garbage. Not really garbage, but. 00:12:52
Construction debris, debris from Geneva, things like that. When, when? 00:12:55
Development happens in that area. 00:13:00
So there is a clause that. 00:13:03
That. 00:13:04
We'll have. We'll have that. 00:13:06
Reviewed and. 00:13:08
We can allow it in certain circumstances. 00:13:09
But that's this is kind of protects. 00:13:14
Protects us from. 00:13:17
From developers just building over. 00:13:18
Places they should not be building. 00:13:21
For the standard drawing some changes. 00:13:25
We added a fire hydrant apron. 00:13:29
And I can show you that. 00:13:33
A little bit later. 00:13:34
New large meter assembly drawing. This has come up a lot lately. 00:13:37
Because of the downtown area. 00:13:41
Up until. 00:13:45
Up until. 00:13:46
All the development before the downtown area. 00:13:47
We've we've only gone up to like a 2 inch meter. 00:13:49
In our standard drawing went up to A2 inch meter. 00:13:52
We had a drawing in there that. 00:13:56
That had. 00:13:58
A larger meter. 00:14:00
Vault, but it was very confusing it. 00:14:01
Seemed like it was pulled from something else and didn't really. 00:14:04
Wasn't really applicable to our needs. 00:14:07
And so we created a three inch. 00:14:09
Meter Vault. 00:14:11
Or three inch or larger meter vault detail. 00:14:12
Which is. 00:14:16
The new standard for. 00:14:17
Pretty much all or. 00:14:19
I would say all but. 00:14:20
Most of the meters that are being installed in the downtown area. 00:14:22
So that was that was very much needed. 00:14:25
We added a sewer clean out at back of sidewalk. That's a requirement. 00:14:29
By the state now. 00:14:34
Parking lot layout drawing. This is another big one. 00:14:36
We had parking lot. 00:14:40
Dimensions or parking space dimensions in our code. 00:14:43
But it got missed frequently and. 00:14:47
It wasn't very clear, so we added a full sheet in our details showing parking lot dimensions or parking dimensions. 00:14:51
And that will be a focus or. 00:14:59
Has been really a focus of. 00:15:01
Our engineering reviews. 00:15:03
And then we're removing the requirement for survey monuments and roads. That's just kind of with today's technology, that's not 00:15:06
really a. 00:15:10
A requirement that. 00:15:15
That we need. 00:15:17
And it. 00:15:18
Creates issues. 00:15:19
It just puts puts more stuff in the road that can have issues. 00:15:20
Questions. 00:15:25
Yeah, on. 00:15:26
10890. 00:15:29
Do you have a? 00:15:31
Definition of landfilled areas somewhere. 00:15:32
It's a little bit more detailed in the in the specifications. 00:15:36
Typically we just follow with the state and state where estate definition is when it comes to landfills. 00:15:40
On that like for example if it's a. 00:15:46
Now if it's a, it was a designated landfill like it was permitted landfills and there was unpermitted landfills sometimes. 00:15:48
Now I've ran into this quite a bit. 00:15:54
Myself were. 00:15:57
During the. 00:16:00
Specifically back I think prior to the 1970s, there was quite a bit of. 00:16:05
You know, now they call them illegal landfills. 00:16:09
People just dumping places there for but since it was a large enough. 00:16:12
Of a area for dumping. 00:16:16
The state classes cloth. 00:16:18
Classifieds them as a landfill. 00:16:20
Even though they're not technically supposed to show been one or to be 1. 00:16:22
On that. 00:16:25
So that would be that would. 00:16:26
So we would fall underneath the state definition of what a landfill would be. 00:16:28
Obviously with. 00:16:32
I mean during our state. 00:16:33
Regulations and laws prohibiting. 00:16:36
Contractors from Baron Trash. 00:16:38
On site as well, so I mean. 00:16:40
That. 00:16:42
In itself would be a violation to state to state law that they wouldn't be able to severity trash and then build on top of it. 00:16:43
But if? 00:16:50
As an example, I'll just use this as a. 00:16:52
And correct me if I'm wrong, Patrick. 00:16:54
For sure, but. 00:16:56
A very site developer. 00:16:57
Purchases a piece of parcel. 00:16:58
The person's piece of parcel decides to what they want to build something. 00:17:00
Goes through the site planning and so forth and during the geotechnical. 00:17:04
They discovered there was like an old landfill. 00:17:08
That was on the site they purchased. 00:17:11
They would not be allowed to. 00:17:14
Build on it. They would have to. 00:17:15
Eat they're physically remove it. 00:17:16
Or resubmit a new site plan in order to avoid itself. 00:17:18
I mean, it would just be based on state, state laws and regulations. 00:17:23
Yeah, I mean. 00:17:27
Buy to. I mean, we had one my little city. 00:17:28
Where the landfill was actually done by the city, it was illegally done by the city, apparently. 00:17:31
The four permitting permits were had existed and. 00:17:35
The city wanted to build a skate park on top of it. 00:17:38
And we? 00:17:41
Me, we had to tell, we had to ourselves that we weren't allowed to build a skate park on top of the landfill. 00:17:43
I guess I just would. 00:17:48
I think it might be helpful to have a definition. 00:17:49
Attached to that. 00:17:52
I know that the East Geneva site. 00:17:54
Has. 00:17:56
A lot of. 00:17:58
Materials. 00:18:00
That will ultimately be. 00:18:01
Buried and I. 00:18:04
I wouldn't want to prevent them from. 00:18:05
Having concrete debris, for example, that's. 00:18:08
Geotechnically sound. 00:18:12
Preventing them from putting something on top of it. 00:18:14
And and so. 00:18:17
A definition would be good so that it's if the intent is no garbage landfill. 00:18:20
Yeah, you know. 00:18:25
Surface build. 00:18:26
Let's be clear about that because there are definitely going to be areas that have. 00:18:28
Debris fields. 00:18:33
Yeah, and that's why. 00:18:35
I thought the same thing. When when? 00:18:38
This was added and this is how it reads. 00:18:40
Landfill construction debris or garbage Any workaround and related to landfills or areas with buried debris, waste or garbage will 00:18:44
require a Phase one environmental report. 00:18:48
With recommendations for additional study. No buildings, paved parking lots, paved roads, curb, gutter, sidewalks are allowed to 00:18:54
be located over landfills, construction debris or garbage. 00:18:58
And then we added this part. 00:19:03
Unless otherwise approved by the appropriate federal, state, and or city agency having jurisdiction. 00:19:05
Because I. 00:19:12
I understood that there will be areas in over in that area that will have a lot of debris. Yeah. And kind of slicing like cutting 00:19:13
here is a little bit. 00:19:17
Oh yeah. But yeah, the kind of hair has answered things. 00:19:23
Like a previous structure, like foundation of our previous structure is not technically considered landfill. 00:19:26
Or the way it's kind of, it's kind of it's considered. 00:19:31
Though that would be classified as abandoned. 00:19:34
Abandoned structure. 00:19:37
So this being noted as a balance structure on top of it, it wouldn't be considered ninefold. There's certain things that. 00:19:39
Would require state, probably like mitigations. 00:19:45
Like a. 00:19:49
Asphalt. 00:19:50
If those ******* was buried underneath there, then the state. 00:19:51
Actually has regulations that. 00:19:55
They would not. That would not be a permissible use, but. 00:19:57
Usually old legacy things. 00:20:00
If it was done for a purpose like. 00:20:03
Foundations. 00:20:04
It's not, it's not considered the construction debris or. 00:20:05
Or so forth. The biggest. 00:20:09
Concern on this is really just again, it's mostly to help about on the building. 00:20:11
Is to ensure that the structural stability of the foundations that was being built on top of that is being assured. 00:20:16
Yeah, I. 00:20:22
The geotechnical. 00:20:23
Stipulation. 00:20:26
Because we do know that the. 00:20:28
The remaining mountain. 00:20:29
In the East Geneva site. 00:20:31
Yeah, the intent is not to fully eliminate that. The intent is to bring it down to a. 00:20:33
A certain height that's. 00:20:38
Comparable to the Camus. 00:20:40
Right. Yeah. 00:20:41
And then? 00:20:42
Finish conducting their geotechnical on it and do something on top of it. So. 00:20:43
Yeah, I. 00:20:48
Shoot that one in the foot right off the bat. 00:20:50
Right. And and this, this kind of acts as a catch. 00:20:51
In a way so we can require additional studies or like the environmental reports and whatnot on it. 00:20:56
May not have been an issue regardless, but I think it's a good thing to have still. 00:21:04
If there's soil tests. 00:21:10
That are included in those geotechnical. 00:21:12
That kind of stuff, yeah. Is there anything particular that you're thinking about on those? 00:21:15
Just in our responses out there, there was plenty of. 00:21:21
Sporadic dump sites where they just put their chemicals like. 00:21:25
That they they had out there and. 00:21:30
Just thinking about. 00:21:33
Isn't that, yeah, isn't that usually required on like a phase two environmental? 00:21:35
I'm not as familiar with environment, Yeah, I mean. 00:21:39
So I mean, I might. 00:21:43
Don't quote me on this. I mean, it's kind of on record, but. 00:21:45
On the phase so. 00:21:48
Your typical phase one environmental just kind of like the side survey. See again then historical. 00:21:50
Use like, well, what's what's what has it been used for and what's been found. 00:21:54
And then that would trigger your like you know your requirements for a phase two. The Phase 2 is when you go into your soil 00:21:59
testing. 00:22:02
And more of like, OK, what's the actual is? 00:22:05
Air quotes contamination in the ground and what would have to be done based on the use of. 00:22:09
Was being proposed. 00:22:14
And that all happens before anything can be built that that would happen like I mean. 00:22:16
As part of SO yesterday we went out and toured that site. 00:22:20
And sat down and kind of went through the. 00:22:24
Regulatory side of it. 00:22:28
And they have. 00:22:30
Rick Rah and then a number of other. 00:22:31
Kind of oversight. 00:22:35
Plans and. 00:22:37
Jurisdiction through Department of Environmental quality. 00:22:40
That are managing that environmental cleanup site and. 00:22:43
And that includes. 00:22:47
Intense monitoring of soils. 00:22:48
All the way down to groundwater. 00:22:51
And how they're how they're laying the material back out and spreading it and what materials they're spreading and where they can 00:22:55
spread it and what that will. 00:22:59
That will dictate future potential development and so. 00:23:03
The Department of Environmental quality issues different levels of. 00:23:07
Of development. 00:23:12
Opportunity. 00:23:13
Once those plans are complete. 00:23:15
They'll issue. 00:23:18
Essentially either a. 00:23:20
No further action. No further action needed or they'll issue different levels of. 00:23:21
This could be commercial, but only commercial. 00:23:27
This could be. 00:23:29
Residential or you know, there's no further action as you can do anything you want there. 00:23:31
But that there's other tiers and so. 00:23:35
Before they can develop. 00:23:37
They it won't just be a soil test, it will be. 00:23:39
You know, years of soil testing. 00:23:42
All documented. 00:23:45
With a final report that. 00:23:47
Dictates what can then go there, and then it'll. Just after that it'll be. 00:23:49
Whatever. 00:23:53
The. 00:23:54
Land use and zoning. 00:23:56
Would allow for. 00:23:58
Great. Exactly. 00:23:59
Yeah. 00:24:02
Moving on, there's. 00:24:07
So. 00:24:09
We're showing the. 00:24:10
The uh. 00:24:12
Right away cross sections, the the right away cross section they showed earlier were the ones that were in the transportation 00:24:13
master plan. 00:24:16
So. 00:24:19
Kind of recreated in our in our drawings. 00:24:21
But then. 00:24:24
In the standard drawings, it also shows placement of. 00:24:25
Utilities. 00:24:29
You probably can't see this. 00:24:30
Real well, but. 00:24:32
It shows kind of the general layout of how utilities should be installed under the roads. 00:24:34
Land drain, Sewer. 00:24:41
Water and storm drain. 00:24:42
And I really liked this update because. 00:24:47
It is a requirement by the state that. 00:24:50
Sewer and water are. 00:24:52
Our place 10 feet apart. 00:24:54
Minimum. 00:24:56
And. 00:24:58
Before we were showing center to center, which is not really how the. 00:24:59
How the state? 00:25:03
Reads. So we're clarifying that here that it's edge piped edge pipe. 00:25:04
So I feel like that was a big win. 00:25:10
Or that's a good one for us. 00:25:12
So these are just the updates. 00:25:18
I guess I should clarify what's on the left is our new and what's on the right is the old. 00:25:21
And so. 00:25:28
With the transportation master plan we changed our Rd. 00:25:29
Our. 00:25:33
Descriptions to. 00:25:34
Arterial Collector. 00:25:37
And local roads. 00:25:39
Before. 00:25:42
They were Parkway Blvd. and local I believe. 00:25:43
And so we're updating that. 00:25:47
That description as well. 00:25:50
We have a lot of drawings that we just kind of are getting rid of as well, so. 00:25:54
To again the left is the new. 00:26:00
The oldest. 00:26:03
On the right. 00:26:04
A lot of our curb details we're just getting rid of because we're referencing APWA. 00:26:06
This cross gutter 1. 00:26:14
Was particularly not. 00:26:16
Not really great. 00:26:18
So there's a much better one in APWA. So we're just. 00:26:20
A lot of these details were just adopting what's in a PWA. 00:26:22
So we're just kind of cleaning that up there's. 00:26:27
Another example, we're just getting rid of this whole sheet. 00:26:31
Because this is. 00:26:34
Outlined in a PWA. 00:26:35
I believe it's. 00:26:39
Easier and better to. 00:26:41
To be uniform with other cities in Utah and just use the same curb and gutter. 00:26:43
And you'll just link. 00:26:49
Patrick to the. 00:26:50
Specific section of APWA so that it's not. 00:26:52
Potentially lost in. 00:26:55
In a large. 00:26:58
Manual umm. 00:26:59
I guess I'll have to check and see if we. 00:27:01
If we specifically go linked to that section. 00:27:03
At the very start of our specifications, it. 00:27:08
We we have a link. 00:27:10
That will just go to a PWA. 00:27:11
Yeah, it's not common that we actually. 00:27:15
Link to this specific section in case APWA. 00:27:17
Changes their formatting. 00:27:20
And so forth. We'll just reference APA. 00:27:21
Itself. 00:27:24
As. 00:27:28
With the design engineers, they're. 00:27:29
They get to the point though with APWA, they're using it. 00:27:31
Constantly for for every project. Like I got to the point where I had certain drawing numbers memorized so I would just put in. 00:27:35
So. 00:27:43
It's yeah. 00:27:46
What? What we do? 00:27:47
Though is. 00:27:49
There are lots of different curb. 00:27:52
Curb and gutter designs in Apwa. 00:27:55
And we will reference what type of gutter we want. 00:27:58
And so. 00:28:03
For example, I think this curb and gutter and apwa is a type P or something. 00:28:05
But there's different types and APW. 00:28:12
APWA also shows the. 00:28:15
30 inch and 24 inch. 00:28:17
Those are the 2 common sizes. 00:28:19
So. 00:28:21
That's another nice thing. If we do want to use 24 inch curb and gutter to match up with existing curb and gutter, we can we can 00:28:23
tell them just use the APWA 24 inch and. 00:28:29
It's there so we don't have to have a bunch. 00:28:35
Different curb and gutter. 00:28:38
Details. 00:28:39
There's just a lot of general little cleanup. 00:28:44
Changing the. 00:28:47
The curb and gutter width. 00:28:49
It's kind of a big one. We took out the. 00:28:51
C curb. C curb details. 00:28:53
Just general cleanup there. 00:28:57
This is the fire hydrant apron that we're adding. 00:29:00
Basically just. 00:29:03
Slab of concrete. 00:29:06
That will be that will go around the hydrant. 00:29:07
To give a nicer. 00:29:10
Place to. 00:29:12
To work. 00:29:13
When you're hooking up to the hydrant. 00:29:14
Sorry, you probably can't see that really well. I can go the actual detail, maybe that'll. 00:29:18
Let me just go to the. 00:29:24
Detail. 00:29:27
And these are the ones that are specific to us. 00:29:28
Yeah, these these are specific. 00:29:31
For bigger city. 00:29:33
So we do the VA from the AP. 00:29:34
APWA and certainly not instances. 00:29:37
Hey, Patrick, I need to go back to the fireman. 00:29:52
OK, so it shows. It shows that. 00:29:54
Can you zoom in on the height of the base of the fire hydrant to be from from the ground? 00:29:56
So it says. 00:30:02
Two inches to the bolts. 00:30:03
Or to the joint. 00:30:05
From the finished grade. 00:30:07
But then I thought we had. 00:30:09
That's assuming the fire hydrant itself is a standard height. 00:30:11
There's no short hydrants, right? 00:30:14
You know, I thought we had a. 00:30:17
Dimension to the nozzle. 00:30:18
We did have that dimension. Maybe it got. 00:30:32
Maybe it's somewhere else, but you're talking about to the nozzle, right? Yeah, he's talking about. 00:30:35
Yeah, just so. 00:30:41
When the firefighters are responding that they have enough room for. 00:30:43
Clearance for their tools to spin around. 00:30:48
Yeah. 00:30:51
Yeah, good, good catch. 00:30:54
I thought we had that in there. I I know we've. 00:30:55
We've had that. 00:30:59
But that's good to show there. 00:31:00
Another change we made on this was. 00:31:03
I'll go to our old detail real fast. 00:31:07
We had the tracer wire. 00:31:10
The tracer wire would come up the hydrant. 00:31:13
And then peak out. 00:31:15
And then they would just. 00:31:17
Tied onto the chain on the hydrant or something, it just kind of. 00:31:18
Was ugly. Just got it, got in the way. 00:31:22
But now we have the tracer wire come up into a. 00:31:25
A little. 00:31:29
Pipe that's that will be embedded in the concrete with a with a cap. 00:31:30
So it'll be nice and clean. You won't see a wire sticking up, you know, next to the hydrant anymore. 00:31:34
So that was one thing I really liked. 00:31:41
And part of the other reason I. 00:31:46
I mentioned the the apron is. 00:31:48
So people can. 00:31:51
Work nicely around this, but another reason is when you blow off the hydrant, you're not. 00:31:52
You can blow it off and not destroy the landscaping around it, you know. 00:31:57
This is the. 00:32:09
What I was? 00:32:10
Talking about with our. 00:32:13
The Vault This is the old vault detail and it just didn't make. 00:32:16
Sense for what we used in the city, so we got rid of that one. 00:32:20
I guess we didn't put. 00:32:25
The new one is a lot cleaner. 00:32:29
So this is the new one. 00:32:33
So this is the new vault that we're. 00:32:36
We're putting downtown for all the three inch meters. 00:32:39
So it's a lot nicer. 00:32:44
This one shows the clean out at the property line like I mentioned before. 00:32:50
And then changing. 00:32:56
Changing. 00:32:58
The amount of clean out so. 00:33:00
Before we just required a clean out every 100 feet no matter the. 00:33:02
Size of the pipe. 00:33:07
But now we're changing it to. 00:33:09
With a four inch pipe you need to put clean outs every 50 feet. 00:33:11
And as mentioned earlier, this is our sheet for parking spaces, parking dimensions. 00:33:17
So this will be. 00:33:23
Really good to have. 00:33:25
A lot, a lot more straightforward. 00:33:27
Before in our code, it just kind of had a generic. 00:33:30
It just basically said parking stalls should be 9 foot wide and. 00:33:34
18 feet long or something it was. 00:33:38
Not very detailed. 00:33:41
But this this is a lot more detailed. 00:33:42
Patrick, when you're talking about parking, is is this parking within the public right of way? 00:33:46
So because our, our zoning has has. 00:33:52
Our parking requirements and so we would want to make sure there's not a conflict between those two. 00:33:54
I'm sorry, I believe we. 00:34:00
I mean this would align to the parking along. 00:34:01
That. 00:34:05
And correct me if I'm wrong, Patrick, but I mean really what this does is provides a little bit more clarification in terms of. 00:34:08
The parking. 00:34:15
More on this space like I believe the zoning. 00:34:17
Requirements provides. 00:34:20
Like a parking stall should be X amount of feet wide and that deep. 00:34:22
Yeah. And this kind of goes a little bit into more detail to say. 00:34:26
The because I'm sorry. 00:34:31
The the zoning. 00:34:33
One puts down the usable parking stall space. 00:34:35
Where this kind of goes and say it goes in more detail to say when you do angle parking. 00:34:38
Your lines aren't going to be, let's just say, 18 feet. 00:34:43
Deep in order to. 00:34:47
Because that 18 feet. 00:34:49
Deep line does not translate into an 18 foot length usable. 00:34:51
It actually translates translates less than that. 00:34:55
So this says. 00:34:58
In order to do an angle parking. 00:34:59
Parking stall line. 00:35:02
The length of your Parkinson's line should be like, more like like. 00:35:04
Closer to almost 20 ish I don't know. 00:35:06
Something like that, Patrick, right? Yeah, we don't. 00:35:09
And then? 00:35:11
This one shows 34A for that line well, but it then goes and says then this outlines like. 00:35:12
In order to get. 00:35:18
To make the usable parking stall length and width. 00:35:20
This is what the this is what the dimensions should should be out. 00:35:25
I guess my point is. 00:35:30
Do I understand wanting to capture kind of your public requirements, like your right of way requirements for parking within this 00:35:32
document? 00:35:36
But where we have things that are land use that are. 00:35:41
Like covered in zoning is a better to move some of that to zoning? 00:35:44
And keep and keeping right of way. Right of way. 00:35:49
As opposed to having like like the the property stuff that's covered in zoning covered here. Well, technically this is 00:35:52
specifically just for public infrastructure. So for for the public stuff. 00:35:57
When going to the private, private. 00:36:02
If they do a Parkinson's, like if they want to do a parking, an angle parking stall. 00:36:06
That's not deep enough. 00:36:10
I'll say that I want to say not deep enough like if they say. 00:36:12
Well, you know. 00:36:15
We only need 18 feet depth. 00:36:16
So they do their, they do an angle line and they do 18 feet. 00:36:19
Then what they'll end up doing is they'll have. 00:36:22
Cars like the back of their cars. 00:36:24
Kind of sticking out and so forth and. 00:36:27
It's kind of like more on the then that kind of falls on the. 00:36:29
The ACT ownership. 00:36:34
The liability of the actual property owner. So I'm not concerned with like the dimensions and what the standard is. It's more of 00:36:35
or do we have conflicts between the zoning if I'm an architect and I'm laying out a conceptual plan for a client? 00:36:42
Am I looking at the zoning ordinance and then knowing I should actually be going to this? 00:36:49
So there's. 00:36:55
Because I I know you're saying this. Oh yeah, I got what you said, but I think it should all be consistent. Like what are our? 00:36:55
Private requirements on private property. 00:37:02
Versus property we own or public right of way, we should have some consistency and I'm OK. 00:37:04
If this is the standard, but we need to make sure we have those those connections between the zoning and this document. So yeah, 00:37:09
the way I looked at it was if you have. 00:37:13
A special like zoning district like we have special. 00:37:18
Parking drawings for the downtown area. 00:37:21
So that would kind of supersede. 00:37:25
This general 1 I feel like. 00:37:29
Anthony pulled up. 00:37:33
What our current zoning code? 00:37:34
Has for parking. 00:37:36
It basically just has a table. 00:37:38
Where it just says standard parking with 9 feet 20 foot length, parallel 8 feet 24 foot length. 00:37:40
And so just kind of and then parking aisle dimensions as a little table for parking aisle dimensions. 00:37:49
If so, I guess my question is, Anthony, have you reviewed this? Does this meet what we what, what we could use? 00:37:55
Because I I guess what I don't want is like 2 policies. 00:38:02
That maybe they kind of address different things, but really our city, like I think we should have one. 00:38:05
At least dimensionally one parking standard and then like we have that and we just. 00:38:11
If it's in our parking, if our parking codes more of. 00:38:16
Like if you're a bank, you need X number of stalls per 1000 square feet. Like like like. 00:38:19
The numbers. 00:38:26
Are OK in our code, but if we already have this, that's the same dimensionally, this is what you need to have and then for aisles. 00:38:27
Why don't we just keep that one spot and then we reference like the the dimension stuff? 00:38:34
I don't know. Have you looked at that, Anthony? 00:38:38
OK, well that's probably something we need to do pretty quickly then to. 00:38:41
Yeah, I I just don't want 2 conflicting documents. Even if ours is really general and yours more specific. I'd rather just. 00:38:45
Rather just like. 00:38:53
Like sent everyone to 1 document. Yeah, no, that's a good point. Yeah, just just reference the one. Yeah, so. 00:38:54
Yeah, we can talk about it out. Yeah, that's a good point. We need to consolidate it. 00:39:03
Thank you. 00:39:07
This is just getting rid of the survey monuments. 00:39:14
And that is? 00:39:17
It. 00:39:19
Sorry, it's been a long time on that. 00:39:22
Is there any other questions? There's there's a lot of detail and. 00:39:24
In all this but. 00:39:28
I don't want to. 00:39:30
We would spend all day if we went through. 00:39:32
Everything but. 00:39:34
Are there any questions? 00:39:35
Patty, do you want to bring up your concerns? 00:39:42
Some comments. 00:39:44
Yeah, I do have. 00:39:45
So I didn't really. 00:39:50
Area of expertise. 00:39:55
But I did go over. 00:39:56
In it and I do have just. 00:40:00
Just to make sure that. 00:40:05
Sort of on the same thing that. 00:40:06
I was talking about consistency. 00:40:08
So, umm. 00:40:10
In section one of four. 00:40:12
1.04.020, page 4. 00:40:15
Section. 00:40:18
Four. Section F4 under permits. 00:40:20
It says the contractor is responsible to obtain all required business licenses and building. 00:40:25
Permits applicable to this project. 00:40:30
I think that should be engineering permits. 00:40:32
Because we're talking about. 00:40:36
Like specifically, this section is talking about the requirements for. 00:40:39
Pre construction. 00:40:45
I think the intent of this was to. 00:40:49
To basically make sure that. 00:40:52
They get all. 00:40:54
Permits that are required so that not so that. 00:40:56
We're not saying. 00:40:59
Or you can't just go out and start construction. 00:41:00
With some permits, but not. 00:41:05
All. Yeah, we can change that. No, we can change that to be all applicable permits by the. 00:41:07
Through. 00:41:14
Through the respective agencies. 00:41:15
Yeah, through their respective agencies. 00:41:18
Yeah, we can just say applicable permits. 00:41:20
More broader language is better. 00:41:22
To just sort of like capture that anything. 00:41:24
Could be required. 00:41:27
Page 5 under section. 00:41:29
Under Bonds, Section C. 00:41:33
It notes. 00:41:36
Bond is required. 00:41:39
And that can be. 00:41:42
A letter from a bank. 00:41:44
Survey. 00:41:46
Surety company or cash bond? 00:41:47
So just. 00:41:49
To make consistently uh. 00:41:50
As of may, finance departments ask that we no longer do cash bonds because of the state code interest rate requirements for state 00:41:52
code 10-98-604. 00:41:57
.53 B. 00:42:02
So we probably would just want to take cash bond. 00:42:06
Out of that. 00:42:09
And we took it out of the. 00:42:11
Different section further down. 00:42:12
For bonds. 00:42:13
So we probably just want to remove it from. 00:42:15
This section as well to just to be. 00:42:17
Consistent. Yeah, I think. 00:42:19
And we don't think we were keeping and I'll talk, we'll talk to the finance. I think we were keeping on. 00:42:22
Cash bonds for the fact that. 00:42:27
There may be, because we do have encroachment balance. 00:42:28
Like there's that would be small. 00:42:32
And. 00:42:34
Taking. 00:42:36
Encroachment bonds are typically done through surety bonds. 00:42:37
Typically, but not typically those up. 00:42:41
Yeah. It was specifically requested that we not do cash bonds anymore because of the interest rate bearing requirements. 00:42:43
That you have to put him in interest rate. 00:42:51
Interest rate. 00:42:53
Burying accounts. 00:42:54
Separate for each one. 00:42:55
And then pay that out. So like that we would have to calculate the interest rate for how long we're keeping those bonds. 00:42:57
Yeah, we understand. Well, we'll confirm with the. 00:43:06
With the finance department to ensure their. 00:43:09
One item on there is. 00:43:12
We're trying to keep it level because I know there's cities out there like they're they're removing sure, surely bonds. 00:43:14
Out of as a requirement because they don't want to deal with charity companies, but we. 00:43:21
We were keeping them and there are because to ensure that to allow for. 00:43:25
Contractors to have a wide. 00:43:30
To have their options in order to for bonds and themselves. 00:43:33
Bars are like. We do have some instances where bonds are like 2500. 00:43:39
$2500. 00:43:44
Or yeah, $2500. 00:43:45
Bonds and so forth. 00:43:47
And we just want to make sure that we won't put any. 00:43:49
Any undue burden on a? 00:43:52
Contractor to go out and get a surely bond or. 00:43:54
A layer of credit or something like that. 00:43:58
When they would just rather this. 00:44:00
Provided a $25 check, yes, we would have to pay them back in interest, but. 00:44:02
I think those are usually few and few between. 00:44:06
But we'll make sure we're the finance department that they're comfortable with. 00:44:08
Those type of occurrences as well. 00:44:12
I wonder if we could put. 00:44:15
Like a a time limit on on small cash bonds 29 days. 00:44:16
Before there is injury for yeah, there's interest or so because. 00:44:21
Yeah, the the hard part is with encroachment permits. 00:44:25
It's it's very quick. 00:44:29
So they'll submit a. 00:44:31
An encroachment permit. They'll want to start working in a couple days. 00:44:32
And it's very difficult to get. 00:44:36
Like we're going through this right now with. 00:44:39
Enbridge it's very difficult to get any other type of bond from from them. 00:44:41
I mean, I think there were other reasons for the difficulty on that, but. 00:44:47
It's just very difficult to get. 00:44:50
A small. 00:44:52
Bond like a 5002 to $5000 bond. 00:44:53
And we do have that and we do have I think one company in the past and I've seen it done before we're. 00:44:57
A developer may choose if they have the cash for they may choose to do a escrow bond. 00:45:02
Cash Bond. 00:45:06
Where they put all their cash into an escrow account. 00:45:07
And then they just. 00:45:10
And but they they hold on to the account and. 00:45:12
Any interest being a cure occurred on the on the on that. 00:45:14
Stays with stays with the contract at themselves but. 00:45:19
In essence, it's not. It's not sure any bond. It's not. 00:45:22
Layer of credit, but it's just. 00:45:25
Cash bond held Held with a. 00:45:27
Developers. 00:45:30
Attorney. 00:45:31
Oh, that's, I mean that that would be another, correct. Yeah. Escrow bonds are something that we allow for subdivisions right now 00:45:32
through municipal code. So that was another note I had is maybe we add escrow. 00:45:37
To that as an option. 00:45:43
Because it's currently not listed as an option for them to do for. 00:45:45
We'll do that scrub on there, but it is in our municipal code. 00:45:50
So it's a bit of a contradiction there. 00:45:53
On page 6, second paragraph. 00:46:01
Just where it mentions. 00:46:03
Looks like the. 00:46:05
Contractor deposit was added and bond was removed, but everything else in that section still refers to contractor bonds. 00:46:07
So I just don't know. 00:46:15
If we just want to continue that to save contractor bond instead of changing it to contractor deposit, but we didn't change 00:46:17
anything else in that section to contractor deposit. 00:46:21
That's good catch. 00:46:26
This was kind of an attempt to. 00:46:27
We were wondering if there was a way we can get away from. 00:46:30
The bond with interest. 00:46:34
Right. Yeah. If we stopped calling it a bond, can we do like cash deposits without it being? 00:46:37
Yeah, so. 00:46:44
And that's fine if we all change it to the deposit. 00:46:47
Wording then maybe that is a way to not have to deal with the interest rate requirements for a cash bond. 00:46:49
As you're just requiring the cash. 00:46:56
Upfront as a deposit that you'll return back. 00:46:58
Later to them. 00:47:01
Yeah. 00:47:02
Yes, if we're doing it that way, then we would just want to consistently change this section to. 00:47:04
Continue to the word. 00:47:09
Use the word deposit instead of bond. 00:47:10
This particular section had a couple of times where just kept referring to contractor bond instead of contractor deposit, that's 00:47:15
all. So there was just like some inconsistency in this section. 00:47:20
I'll take the hit for that. I told Patrick to change the bonds from deposit. 00:47:24
No, thanks. OK, that's good catch. 00:47:29
And then same page but under section D. 00:47:33
You have. 00:47:36
The people that are required for pre construction conferences. 00:47:37
And you've added major subcontractors? 00:47:40
So city engineer, landowner, and contractor are all defined terms within definitions at the beginning of this section, but major 00:47:43
subcontractors aren't. 00:47:47
And so I'm. 00:47:52
Just wondering if we want to add language. 00:47:54
To provide insight to the contractor and to the applicants. 00:47:57
Who those subconscious who? What is a major subcontractor that you are going to require to attend? 00:48:02
So is that your excavator? Is that you're like? 00:48:10
What? What is the definition of? 00:48:12
A major subcontractor. 00:48:14
Yeah, that's yeah, I think. 00:48:19
Add some language. 00:48:21
Yeah, the reason we put major contractor was. 00:48:24
We basically just wanted to capture the excavator. 00:48:27
Necessary like. 00:48:32
We didn't want all the stuff, Yeah. So showing up. 00:48:33
And my only thing is to like we want to delineate any confusion to applicants. 00:48:35
In. 00:48:40
There if someone we consider to be a major subcontractor isn't invited or. 00:48:41
Brought to the meeting that it does not cause a delay later. 00:48:46
Because they did not have an understanding of. 00:48:49
What those who those people were. 00:48:51
Yeah. Whereas like contractor and landowner are clearly defined terms in the definition. That's fine. And I think, I mean we still 00:48:54
hold the principle that a developer is the sole. 00:48:59
There's the sole party responsible for the project, so. 00:49:05
If for any reason that they choose to change out their contractor midway through project. 00:49:08
There is no reason for us to do. 00:49:12
Meeting with that. 00:49:14
Major subcontractor like the excavator or so forth, that's. 00:49:16
And if there's any issues, it just goes directly to the. 00:49:19
To the developer itself. 00:49:22
As they're the ones who are. 00:49:23
Pulling the permits. 00:49:25
But. 00:49:27
We'll define that a little bit. 00:49:28
We'll put a little definition in there. 00:49:29
To ensure that, yeah. And you could even then like supplement that. 00:49:32
Section that maybe they're not required as the responsibility still falls under the contractor. 00:49:35
But. 00:49:41
That the city highly recommends any major subcontractors, including excavators, to be present at the. 00:49:42
Reconstruction Meeting. 00:49:48
Page 8 under time limitations. 00:49:51
There is a. 00:49:53
Contradiction here with the time limitations for land disturbance permits. 00:49:54
As Municipal Code section 7.08.040 G specifically also. 00:49:58
Calls out land disturbance, permits time limitations. So we just want to make sure that those are either consistent. 00:50:05
Or that one section is referring to the other one. That's like. 00:50:11
The best way to do it is just. 00:50:15
To have one section refer to the other, so you don't have to update both times and both documents every time you want to make a 00:50:17
change. 00:50:20
OK. Yeah, that's a good point. 00:50:26
Yeah. And then and then on page 12. 00:50:44
Under Section H, Notification of residence. 00:50:46
There is you kind of worded what you wanted the. 00:50:50
Notice to say. 00:50:55
Did you want to have a requirement for them to add? 00:50:57
Uh, contact for. 00:51:01
Who that resident should reach out to if they have questions or concerns on the project, because there's nothing in here that 00:51:04
requires any sort of notification for them to provide emergency contacts. 00:51:09
Or, uh. 00:51:14
Context for residents when they're concerned, but I know we've received things. 00:51:15
From. 00:51:20
Community members. 00:51:21
Because they didn't know. 00:51:23
Who to go to? 00:51:25
When construction is happening in the right of way. 00:51:26
So put something in for who residents can contact. 00:51:31
Wait, are we going to require the contractor to provide a contact number? 00:51:37
For residents to reach out to either the contractor or do we want to have them put. 00:51:41
Generic language on. 00:51:46
Who they reach out to with us in the city? 00:51:47
If they have concerns on those projects, but I know we had a lot of those issues with like the Comcast ones. 00:51:50
That were done. 00:51:55
And. 00:51:57
There was no information provided to the residents as to like when that. 00:51:59
Who they should contact? 00:52:03
Or when those projects would be happening. So I think this takes care of the win, but not necessarily The Who. 00:52:05
OK, Yeah. 00:52:13
I see that. 00:52:14
We'll have them, we'll add. 00:52:17
Yeah. I just didn't know if we want to expand that section just a little bit just to be more like. 00:52:25
If we don't put it on as a requirement, they're not going to put it on the. 00:52:31
Notice if that makes sense. 00:52:34
Because they they. 00:52:36
They aren't getting anything else by having community members reach out to them if they're upset. 00:52:37
Yeah. 00:52:42
OK. And then page 16. 00:52:45
Under Electronic under Record Drawings, Section D, third paragraph where it talks about final inspection may not be scheduled 00:52:49
until the record drawings are. 00:52:54
And required electronic files are received. 00:53:00
So that is a conditional statement. 00:53:02
That they cannot do a final inspection, so this act may not. 00:53:05
Acts the same as shall not in this case. 00:53:08
But it's not consistent with the language that you have. 00:53:11
In section one that. 00:53:14
.08 dot 030, section F. 00:53:16
That basically says that. 00:53:20
You can require it, so I would just make that consistent with that section so that you have the option. 00:53:22
To do a final inspection or not do a final inspection with the record drawings. 00:53:27
Yeah, we were trying to leave the option open. What was the other section number? 00:53:32
1.08. 00:53:37
.030, Section F. 00:53:39
So I just copy that sentence and move it over because that way it's just the language in that was. 00:53:43
You know. 00:53:48
Gave you the. 00:53:49
He said 108.003. 00:53:51
1.08.030 Section F. 00:53:55
Zero section F. 00:54:01
OK, yeah, 1.08.030. 00:54:07
Section F. 00:54:11
Sorry I'm not catching this. 00:54:13
Like that? 00:54:14
I'll find it. 00:54:17
It's on page. 00:54:19
I didn't write the page number down, I'm sorry. 00:54:27
Page 25. 00:54:34
Page 18 under warranty bond. 00:54:43
You mentioned a minimum $500 contractor bond. This is not listed in the consolidated fee schedule. 00:54:45
So you just want to be very careful. 00:54:51
You cannot charge. 00:54:54
Fee that isn't listed in the minimum. 00:54:56
Like you can't charge a fee that isn't listed on the consolidated fee schedule. 00:54:58
And so you'll probably just want to put a minimum of $500 on the fee schedule. 00:55:02
So that you can charge. 00:55:07
Which page is that? Because right now the fee schedule just says 10% warning. 00:55:09
Which page is that on? 00:55:13
Sorry, page 18. 00:55:17
Section E. 00:55:18
And then under under. 00:55:35
Page 19. 00:55:37
Under Variances section C. 00:55:39
The last. 00:55:41
Sentence your. 00:55:42
Appeal processes. 00:55:44
That's a lot of appeals. 00:55:46
So I would probably. 00:55:49
The Ombudsman tends to not. 00:55:52
A lot of appeal processes. 00:55:55
I would probably suggest. 00:55:57
Removing at least one, I wouldn't have more than two appeal processes for people. 00:55:59
Before they start going to the court system. 00:56:03
My suggestion. 00:56:06
Would probably be to take out the Planning Commission as they don't normally function as a quasi judicial board. 00:56:08
OK. 00:56:16
But that's, you know, that's. 00:56:18
You know, up to discussion, but typically like having. 00:56:20
A lot of appeal processes. 00:56:24
Tends to be something that gets. 00:56:25
Pretty convoluted for people. 00:56:27
I think that was the last note I made. 00:56:40
Yeah, that was the last note I made. Everything else goes into lake. 00:56:42
The specifications and I don't that's your guys' area of expertise. 00:56:46
OK. Yeah. Thanks Patty for that. 00:56:55
Yeah, you're welcome. 00:56:59
Or you're not welcome if you. 00:57:01
If you didn't want me to say anything. 00:57:03
No thanks, Betty. I wasn't expecting to be reprimanded. 00:57:07
That's good. Anybody. 00:57:12
Have any other concerns? 00:57:14
OK, that. 00:57:18
Any staff or Commission reports? 00:57:21
Move this to adjournment. Thank you guys. 00:57:25
Thank you. 00:57:28

Transcript

I can have. 00:00:00
Anthony, are you able to hop on? 00:00:05
Thank you. 00:00:09
All right, I'd like to call the order of the. 00:00:31
DRC meeting is October 16th. 00:00:34
And it is 9:11 AM. 00:00:37
Move to our consent items. We have a 2.1 approval of the September 18, 2025 DRC meeting minutes. Can I get in a? 00:00:41
Yeah. 00:00:52
Aye, Motion to approve the. 00:00:57
DRC maintenance of September 18th. 00:00:59
2025. 00:01:01
First N. 00:01:03
2nd. 00:01:05
Second by Eric, All in favor. 00:01:06
Aye, any opposed? 00:01:08
That moves us to our. 00:01:12
Work session. 00:01:13
4.1 An update to the Vineyard City development standards and design specifications. 00:01:15
And they believe Patrick is going to present this? 00:01:20
Yeah, let me get. 00:01:25
Get up on the screen. 00:01:26
OK. 00:01:48
So we have been. 00:01:53
Consulting with. 00:01:55
Chris Thompson. 00:01:57
Who is now with? 00:01:58
Hence now and in loose. 00:01:59
To revise our. 00:02:02
Construction standard drawings and and specifications. 00:02:04
And we are. 00:02:09
At completion or. 00:02:10
Very near completion on those now. 00:02:12
The reason the purpose for this is. 00:02:16
I guess there's a couple reasons that we've been doing this. 00:02:19
First of all. 00:02:22
It's been quite a while since. 00:02:23
The standard drawings and specifications were updated. 00:02:25
I believe the last. 00:02:29
The last round of. 00:02:30
Updates for the drawings were was 2016 I believe. 00:02:31
So it's been quite a while. 00:02:36
Some of the specifications even go back to 2007. 00:02:39
So it was. It was. 00:02:43
Quite needed. 00:02:45
For an update. 00:02:46
Another reason for the update is. 00:02:48
Apwa. 00:02:53
Updated their specifications in standard drawings. 00:02:55
And with that. 00:02:58
So they have this 2025 edition. 00:03:00
Now. And with that, we wanted to. 00:03:03
Kind of. 00:03:06
Adopt more apwa. 00:03:07
Come in more alignment with other cities. 00:03:10
Across Utah. 00:03:13
And these? 00:03:15
Specifications and drawings from. 00:03:16
From APW. 00:03:18
Apwa are are. 00:03:19
Quite extensive and pretty good. 00:03:21
And so it's it just makes sense to adopt A lot of a lot of that. 00:03:24
And. 00:03:30
Just kind of. 00:03:31
Make. 00:03:33
Things more simple for for construction specifications on that front. 00:03:33
APWA also. 00:03:39
Made. I'll just show you like real quick. 00:03:42
So these. 00:03:45
So their plans and and specifications are. 00:03:46
Our online. 00:03:49
Free to use SO. 00:03:52
All cities, all contractors, all. 00:03:55
Design engineers can easily get on there and find these. 00:03:57
Now which? 00:04:02
As I was previously a design engineer, so I. 00:04:03
Very much appreciate that. 00:04:08
Let me input that. 00:04:12
Dinner, but you're still a design engineer. 00:04:13
Yeah, yeah. 00:04:15
I guess so. 00:04:16
In a way sometimes. 00:04:18
So just to go through some changes in our specifications, probably the biggest change. 00:04:22
That we did was we we completely reformatted the specifications. 00:04:29
We changed around the sections and the. 00:04:35
And the titles headings. 00:04:39
Just to try to make it more clear. 00:04:41
And so. 00:04:44
And then? 00:04:45
We're also. 00:04:46
Putting that on to Municode. 00:04:48
So and everything has links. 00:04:51
So contractors or engineers can go in there and. 00:04:54
Click on links and it'll take it right to. 00:04:57
Specific sections or other parts of our code which will be really nice. 00:05:01
So that's really. 00:05:07
You know the bulk of it. 00:05:09
But our specifications is to reiterate a little bit, our specifications are. 00:05:11
Are more like a supplemental specification set. 00:05:16
Supplemental to the APWA specifications. 00:05:20
We also had a design criteria. 00:05:27
Document. 00:05:31
That, uh. 00:05:32
That you can see the date down here for that was 2016. 00:05:33
So needed. 00:05:37
A little updating. 00:05:38
And this design document for up until now it was a stand alone document. 00:05:41
But we decided to integrate this document into our specifications. 00:05:47
So now this is all. 00:05:52
In our specifications. 00:05:54
We also went through the Transportation Master Plan update. 00:05:59
A lot of our cross section, Rd. cross section has changed things like that. 00:06:04
And so now our specifications. 00:06:08
Refer to the new Transportation Master plan and reflect the updated. 00:06:11
Cross sections and things that are found in the master plan. 00:06:17
I guess I could just actually do a slideshow. 00:06:25
So to give you an example of. 00:06:29
Of some of those so these are in the new cross sections that. 00:06:31
That were shown. 00:06:35
That are shown in our. 00:06:36
Transportation master plan. 00:06:38
Just giving some updates on. 00:06:41
On what our standard St. 00:06:44
Section will look like. 00:06:46
So as I mentioned before. 00:06:56
This will all be This will be a book. Now our. 00:06:59
Specifications and drawings will be. 00:07:02
A book in Municode now. 00:07:05
And so it'll be. 00:07:07
Right there along our other code. 00:07:08
And so people can easily. 00:07:11
Find it. 00:07:13
And cross reference. 00:07:14
Other codes. 00:07:16
So that'll be really nice. 00:07:17
We have several links in the specifications that will link you directly to. 00:07:22
Codes or ordinances, specifically storm water. 00:07:28
Criteria. Things like that. 00:07:32
Here. 00:07:37
Like a few notable. 00:07:38
Changes. 00:07:39
That were made. 00:07:41
We added a requirement for contractors to submit. 00:07:43
Time dated video footage. 00:07:47
Of the construction site. 00:07:49
Before they start construction that way. 00:07:51
If there's any disputes. 00:07:54
We can go back and reference that video. 00:07:55
And see what was damaged during construction. 00:07:58
To protect the city and. 00:08:03
Just keep. 00:08:07
Keep things up to date there. 00:08:07
Another big change was all curbing gutter. We decided to change to 30 inch. 00:08:10
Curb and gutter We're currently at 24 inch. 00:08:16
That reduces the amount of pavement. 00:08:20
That is, is that in the road? 00:08:23
Reduces maintenance costs and deterioration. 00:08:25
Concrete holds up a lot better. 00:08:29
There are also benefits with stormwater. 00:08:31
A 30 inch curb and gutter can hold. 00:08:35
Hold more storm water. 00:08:38
Has more capacity there. 00:08:40
We understand that. 00:08:43
Since we have been using 24 inch with carbon gutter for. 00:08:46
A long time. 00:08:50
Most of our city has 24 inch curb and gutter. 00:08:51
So. 00:08:55
We we will analyze. 00:08:55
Each location as new developments come in, we don't want. 00:08:58
You know, weird mismatch of curbing gutters so. 00:09:02
Will allow developers to still use the 24 inch in situations where it matches up to the existing. 00:09:05
I envision this as mostly. 00:09:13
This will be mostly applied in the. 00:09:15
East Geneva area. 00:09:19
When that gets developed. 00:09:21
Another reason for this is UDOT uses a 30 inch curb and gutter. So wherever our curb and gutter. 00:09:24
Matches up with Udots. 00:09:31
It it will make for a more seamless transition. 00:09:33
Going from a 30 inch to a 24. 00:09:38
Causes some weird. 00:09:41
Weird issues. 00:09:42
And so that will help with that. 00:09:44
So within 250 feet of railroad crossings, no St. intersections, and a diagnostic required for accesses. 00:09:48
This is something we that have that's come up a few times. 00:09:57
Fairly recently. 00:10:02
Any development near our railroad crossing needs a diagnostic review by. 00:10:03
By the railroad and UDOT. 00:10:10
And so that. 00:10:12
That just. 00:10:13
Puts it in the in the specification so that. 00:10:14
Where that gets caught? 00:10:17
It's not a good thing to start. 00:10:19
Construction and then go back and. 00:10:22
Do a diagnostic later and kind of ask for forgiveness. 00:10:25
And so this this will put it up front. 00:10:28
Full, yeah. 00:10:32
Does it need to be stated? 00:10:34
At grade. 00:10:36
Is that just inferred? 00:10:37
That is a good question, I'll. 00:10:40
I'll check and see if. 00:10:41
If we need to put at grade in there. 00:10:45
I don't think it mentions at. 00:10:50
Presumably it wouldn't. 00:10:54
Apply within. 00:10:56
Overpass. 00:10:57
Because it wouldn't. 00:11:00
There would really be no conflict with. 00:11:01
Lining up cars. 00:11:04
Associated with a railroad, which is what I assume that that. 00:11:05
Consideration is for. 00:11:09
Yeah. 00:11:11
Yeah, I think it would just I think it's common for it and in the engineering world, when you say crossing. 00:11:12
Crosses through and. 00:11:17
You know, we use overpass or underpass quite often, but. 00:11:19
Maybe just to make sure that it's written properly for the? 00:11:22
Layperson. 00:11:25
But typically like even. 00:11:34
It doesn't really specify it. 00:11:39
Necessarily, but. 00:11:41
We'll get, we'll have that clarified. We can even put down as, as, as required or as needed. So therefore things change in the 00:11:42
future we can. 00:11:46
Ensure that Union Pacific or. 00:11:49
Or the railroad authority. 00:11:52
Gets coordinated communication with. 00:11:54
OK, that's a good point. 00:12:02
We added a specification there that. 00:12:08
During developments at the full. 00:12:12
When they come up to an intersection as a road intersection and there's a phase line that. 00:12:14
Full intersection must be constructed. 00:12:19
I don't know if we've necessarily had issues with that in the past, but. 00:12:22
That's just a good thing to put in there so we don't end up having. 00:12:25
Half's intersections. 00:12:30
This awkward. 00:12:32
Traffic flows. 00:12:34
Buildings or pavements not allowed over landfill. 00:12:37
Areas, uh. 00:12:40
So this one we put we. 00:12:42
We put a clause in there because we we will have a lot of. 00:12:44
A lot of construction over. 00:12:48
Garbage. Not really garbage, but. 00:12:52
Construction debris, debris from Geneva, things like that. When, when? 00:12:55
Development happens in that area. 00:13:00
So there is a clause that. 00:13:03
That. 00:13:04
We'll have. We'll have that. 00:13:06
Reviewed and. 00:13:08
We can allow it in certain circumstances. 00:13:09
But that's this is kind of protects. 00:13:14
Protects us from. 00:13:17
From developers just building over. 00:13:18
Places they should not be building. 00:13:21
For the standard drawing some changes. 00:13:25
We added a fire hydrant apron. 00:13:29
And I can show you that. 00:13:33
A little bit later. 00:13:34
New large meter assembly drawing. This has come up a lot lately. 00:13:37
Because of the downtown area. 00:13:41
Up until. 00:13:45
Up until. 00:13:46
All the development before the downtown area. 00:13:47
We've we've only gone up to like a 2 inch meter. 00:13:49
In our standard drawing went up to A2 inch meter. 00:13:52
We had a drawing in there that. 00:13:56
That had. 00:13:58
A larger meter. 00:14:00
Vault, but it was very confusing it. 00:14:01
Seemed like it was pulled from something else and didn't really. 00:14:04
Wasn't really applicable to our needs. 00:14:07
And so we created a three inch. 00:14:09
Meter Vault. 00:14:11
Or three inch or larger meter vault detail. 00:14:12
Which is. 00:14:16
The new standard for. 00:14:17
Pretty much all or. 00:14:19
I would say all but. 00:14:20
Most of the meters that are being installed in the downtown area. 00:14:22
So that was that was very much needed. 00:14:25
We added a sewer clean out at back of sidewalk. That's a requirement. 00:14:29
By the state now. 00:14:34
Parking lot layout drawing. This is another big one. 00:14:36
We had parking lot. 00:14:40
Dimensions or parking space dimensions in our code. 00:14:43
But it got missed frequently and. 00:14:47
It wasn't very clear, so we added a full sheet in our details showing parking lot dimensions or parking dimensions. 00:14:51
And that will be a focus or. 00:14:59
Has been really a focus of. 00:15:01
Our engineering reviews. 00:15:03
And then we're removing the requirement for survey monuments and roads. That's just kind of with today's technology, that's not 00:15:06
really a. 00:15:10
A requirement that. 00:15:15
That we need. 00:15:17
And it. 00:15:18
Creates issues. 00:15:19
It just puts puts more stuff in the road that can have issues. 00:15:20
Questions. 00:15:25
Yeah, on. 00:15:26
10890. 00:15:29
Do you have a? 00:15:31
Definition of landfilled areas somewhere. 00:15:32
It's a little bit more detailed in the in the specifications. 00:15:36
Typically we just follow with the state and state where estate definition is when it comes to landfills. 00:15:40
On that like for example if it's a. 00:15:46
Now if it's a, it was a designated landfill like it was permitted landfills and there was unpermitted landfills sometimes. 00:15:48
Now I've ran into this quite a bit. 00:15:54
Myself were. 00:15:57
During the. 00:16:00
Specifically back I think prior to the 1970s, there was quite a bit of. 00:16:05
You know, now they call them illegal landfills. 00:16:09
People just dumping places there for but since it was a large enough. 00:16:12
Of a area for dumping. 00:16:16
The state classes cloth. 00:16:18
Classifieds them as a landfill. 00:16:20
Even though they're not technically supposed to show been one or to be 1. 00:16:22
On that. 00:16:25
So that would be that would. 00:16:26
So we would fall underneath the state definition of what a landfill would be. 00:16:28
Obviously with. 00:16:32
I mean during our state. 00:16:33
Regulations and laws prohibiting. 00:16:36
Contractors from Baron Trash. 00:16:38
On site as well, so I mean. 00:16:40
That. 00:16:42
In itself would be a violation to state to state law that they wouldn't be able to severity trash and then build on top of it. 00:16:43
But if? 00:16:50
As an example, I'll just use this as a. 00:16:52
And correct me if I'm wrong, Patrick. 00:16:54
For sure, but. 00:16:56
A very site developer. 00:16:57
Purchases a piece of parcel. 00:16:58
The person's piece of parcel decides to what they want to build something. 00:17:00
Goes through the site planning and so forth and during the geotechnical. 00:17:04
They discovered there was like an old landfill. 00:17:08
That was on the site they purchased. 00:17:11
They would not be allowed to. 00:17:14
Build on it. They would have to. 00:17:15
Eat they're physically remove it. 00:17:16
Or resubmit a new site plan in order to avoid itself. 00:17:18
I mean, it would just be based on state, state laws and regulations. 00:17:23
Yeah, I mean. 00:17:27
Buy to. I mean, we had one my little city. 00:17:28
Where the landfill was actually done by the city, it was illegally done by the city, apparently. 00:17:31
The four permitting permits were had existed and. 00:17:35
The city wanted to build a skate park on top of it. 00:17:38
And we? 00:17:41
Me, we had to tell, we had to ourselves that we weren't allowed to build a skate park on top of the landfill. 00:17:43
I guess I just would. 00:17:48
I think it might be helpful to have a definition. 00:17:49
Attached to that. 00:17:52
I know that the East Geneva site. 00:17:54
Has. 00:17:56
A lot of. 00:17:58
Materials. 00:18:00
That will ultimately be. 00:18:01
Buried and I. 00:18:04
I wouldn't want to prevent them from. 00:18:05
Having concrete debris, for example, that's. 00:18:08
Geotechnically sound. 00:18:12
Preventing them from putting something on top of it. 00:18:14
And and so. 00:18:17
A definition would be good so that it's if the intent is no garbage landfill. 00:18:20
Yeah, you know. 00:18:25
Surface build. 00:18:26
Let's be clear about that because there are definitely going to be areas that have. 00:18:28
Debris fields. 00:18:33
Yeah, and that's why. 00:18:35
I thought the same thing. When when? 00:18:38
This was added and this is how it reads. 00:18:40
Landfill construction debris or garbage Any workaround and related to landfills or areas with buried debris, waste or garbage will 00:18:44
require a Phase one environmental report. 00:18:48
With recommendations for additional study. No buildings, paved parking lots, paved roads, curb, gutter, sidewalks are allowed to 00:18:54
be located over landfills, construction debris or garbage. 00:18:58
And then we added this part. 00:19:03
Unless otherwise approved by the appropriate federal, state, and or city agency having jurisdiction. 00:19:05
Because I. 00:19:12
I understood that there will be areas in over in that area that will have a lot of debris. Yeah. And kind of slicing like cutting 00:19:13
here is a little bit. 00:19:17
Oh yeah. But yeah, the kind of hair has answered things. 00:19:23
Like a previous structure, like foundation of our previous structure is not technically considered landfill. 00:19:26
Or the way it's kind of, it's kind of it's considered. 00:19:31
Though that would be classified as abandoned. 00:19:34
Abandoned structure. 00:19:37
So this being noted as a balance structure on top of it, it wouldn't be considered ninefold. There's certain things that. 00:19:39
Would require state, probably like mitigations. 00:19:45
Like a. 00:19:49
Asphalt. 00:19:50
If those ******* was buried underneath there, then the state. 00:19:51
Actually has regulations that. 00:19:55
They would not. That would not be a permissible use, but. 00:19:57
Usually old legacy things. 00:20:00
If it was done for a purpose like. 00:20:03
Foundations. 00:20:04
It's not, it's not considered the construction debris or. 00:20:05
Or so forth. The biggest. 00:20:09
Concern on this is really just again, it's mostly to help about on the building. 00:20:11
Is to ensure that the structural stability of the foundations that was being built on top of that is being assured. 00:20:16
Yeah, I. 00:20:22
The geotechnical. 00:20:23
Stipulation. 00:20:26
Because we do know that the. 00:20:28
The remaining mountain. 00:20:29
In the East Geneva site. 00:20:31
Yeah, the intent is not to fully eliminate that. The intent is to bring it down to a. 00:20:33
A certain height that's. 00:20:38
Comparable to the Camus. 00:20:40
Right. Yeah. 00:20:41
And then? 00:20:42
Finish conducting their geotechnical on it and do something on top of it. So. 00:20:43
Yeah, I. 00:20:48
Shoot that one in the foot right off the bat. 00:20:50
Right. And and this, this kind of acts as a catch. 00:20:51
In a way so we can require additional studies or like the environmental reports and whatnot on it. 00:20:56
May not have been an issue regardless, but I think it's a good thing to have still. 00:21:04
If there's soil tests. 00:21:10
That are included in those geotechnical. 00:21:12
That kind of stuff, yeah. Is there anything particular that you're thinking about on those? 00:21:15
Just in our responses out there, there was plenty of. 00:21:21
Sporadic dump sites where they just put their chemicals like. 00:21:25
That they they had out there and. 00:21:30
Just thinking about. 00:21:33
Isn't that, yeah, isn't that usually required on like a phase two environmental? 00:21:35
I'm not as familiar with environment, Yeah, I mean. 00:21:39
So I mean, I might. 00:21:43
Don't quote me on this. I mean, it's kind of on record, but. 00:21:45
On the phase so. 00:21:48
Your typical phase one environmental just kind of like the side survey. See again then historical. 00:21:50
Use like, well, what's what's what has it been used for and what's been found. 00:21:54
And then that would trigger your like you know your requirements for a phase two. The Phase 2 is when you go into your soil 00:21:59
testing. 00:22:02
And more of like, OK, what's the actual is? 00:22:05
Air quotes contamination in the ground and what would have to be done based on the use of. 00:22:09
Was being proposed. 00:22:14
And that all happens before anything can be built that that would happen like I mean. 00:22:16
As part of SO yesterday we went out and toured that site. 00:22:20
And sat down and kind of went through the. 00:22:24
Regulatory side of it. 00:22:28
And they have. 00:22:30
Rick Rah and then a number of other. 00:22:31
Kind of oversight. 00:22:35
Plans and. 00:22:37
Jurisdiction through Department of Environmental quality. 00:22:40
That are managing that environmental cleanup site and. 00:22:43
And that includes. 00:22:47
Intense monitoring of soils. 00:22:48
All the way down to groundwater. 00:22:51
And how they're how they're laying the material back out and spreading it and what materials they're spreading and where they can 00:22:55
spread it and what that will. 00:22:59
That will dictate future potential development and so. 00:23:03
The Department of Environmental quality issues different levels of. 00:23:07
Of development. 00:23:12
Opportunity. 00:23:13
Once those plans are complete. 00:23:15
They'll issue. 00:23:18
Essentially either a. 00:23:20
No further action. No further action needed or they'll issue different levels of. 00:23:21
This could be commercial, but only commercial. 00:23:27
This could be. 00:23:29
Residential or you know, there's no further action as you can do anything you want there. 00:23:31
But that there's other tiers and so. 00:23:35
Before they can develop. 00:23:37
They it won't just be a soil test, it will be. 00:23:39
You know, years of soil testing. 00:23:42
All documented. 00:23:45
With a final report that. 00:23:47
Dictates what can then go there, and then it'll. Just after that it'll be. 00:23:49
Whatever. 00:23:53
The. 00:23:54
Land use and zoning. 00:23:56
Would allow for. 00:23:58
Great. Exactly. 00:23:59
Yeah. 00:24:02
Moving on, there's. 00:24:07
So. 00:24:09
We're showing the. 00:24:10
The uh. 00:24:12
Right away cross sections, the the right away cross section they showed earlier were the ones that were in the transportation 00:24:13
master plan. 00:24:16
So. 00:24:19
Kind of recreated in our in our drawings. 00:24:21
But then. 00:24:24
In the standard drawings, it also shows placement of. 00:24:25
Utilities. 00:24:29
You probably can't see this. 00:24:30
Real well, but. 00:24:32
It shows kind of the general layout of how utilities should be installed under the roads. 00:24:34
Land drain, Sewer. 00:24:41
Water and storm drain. 00:24:42
And I really liked this update because. 00:24:47
It is a requirement by the state that. 00:24:50
Sewer and water are. 00:24:52
Our place 10 feet apart. 00:24:54
Minimum. 00:24:56
And. 00:24:58
Before we were showing center to center, which is not really how the. 00:24:59
How the state? 00:25:03
Reads. So we're clarifying that here that it's edge piped edge pipe. 00:25:04
So I feel like that was a big win. 00:25:10
Or that's a good one for us. 00:25:12
So these are just the updates. 00:25:18
I guess I should clarify what's on the left is our new and what's on the right is the old. 00:25:21
And so. 00:25:28
With the transportation master plan we changed our Rd. 00:25:29
Our. 00:25:33
Descriptions to. 00:25:34
Arterial Collector. 00:25:37
And local roads. 00:25:39
Before. 00:25:42
They were Parkway Blvd. and local I believe. 00:25:43
And so we're updating that. 00:25:47
That description as well. 00:25:50
We have a lot of drawings that we just kind of are getting rid of as well, so. 00:25:54
To again the left is the new. 00:26:00
The oldest. 00:26:03
On the right. 00:26:04
A lot of our curb details we're just getting rid of because we're referencing APWA. 00:26:06
This cross gutter 1. 00:26:14
Was particularly not. 00:26:16
Not really great. 00:26:18
So there's a much better one in APWA. So we're just. 00:26:20
A lot of these details were just adopting what's in a PWA. 00:26:22
So we're just kind of cleaning that up there's. 00:26:27
Another example, we're just getting rid of this whole sheet. 00:26:31
Because this is. 00:26:34
Outlined in a PWA. 00:26:35
I believe it's. 00:26:39
Easier and better to. 00:26:41
To be uniform with other cities in Utah and just use the same curb and gutter. 00:26:43
And you'll just link. 00:26:49
Patrick to the. 00:26:50
Specific section of APWA so that it's not. 00:26:52
Potentially lost in. 00:26:55
In a large. 00:26:58
Manual umm. 00:26:59
I guess I'll have to check and see if we. 00:27:01
If we specifically go linked to that section. 00:27:03
At the very start of our specifications, it. 00:27:08
We we have a link. 00:27:10
That will just go to a PWA. 00:27:11
Yeah, it's not common that we actually. 00:27:15
Link to this specific section in case APWA. 00:27:17
Changes their formatting. 00:27:20
And so forth. We'll just reference APA. 00:27:21
Itself. 00:27:24
As. 00:27:28
With the design engineers, they're. 00:27:29
They get to the point though with APWA, they're using it. 00:27:31
Constantly for for every project. Like I got to the point where I had certain drawing numbers memorized so I would just put in. 00:27:35
So. 00:27:43
It's yeah. 00:27:46
What? What we do? 00:27:47
Though is. 00:27:49
There are lots of different curb. 00:27:52
Curb and gutter designs in Apwa. 00:27:55
And we will reference what type of gutter we want. 00:27:58
And so. 00:28:03
For example, I think this curb and gutter and apwa is a type P or something. 00:28:05
But there's different types and APW. 00:28:12
APWA also shows the. 00:28:15
30 inch and 24 inch. 00:28:17
Those are the 2 common sizes. 00:28:19
So. 00:28:21
That's another nice thing. If we do want to use 24 inch curb and gutter to match up with existing curb and gutter, we can we can 00:28:23
tell them just use the APWA 24 inch and. 00:28:29
It's there so we don't have to have a bunch. 00:28:35
Different curb and gutter. 00:28:38
Details. 00:28:39
There's just a lot of general little cleanup. 00:28:44
Changing the. 00:28:47
The curb and gutter width. 00:28:49
It's kind of a big one. We took out the. 00:28:51
C curb. C curb details. 00:28:53
Just general cleanup there. 00:28:57
This is the fire hydrant apron that we're adding. 00:29:00
Basically just. 00:29:03
Slab of concrete. 00:29:06
That will be that will go around the hydrant. 00:29:07
To give a nicer. 00:29:10
Place to. 00:29:12
To work. 00:29:13
When you're hooking up to the hydrant. 00:29:14
Sorry, you probably can't see that really well. I can go the actual detail, maybe that'll. 00:29:18
Let me just go to the. 00:29:24
Detail. 00:29:27
And these are the ones that are specific to us. 00:29:28
Yeah, these these are specific. 00:29:31
For bigger city. 00:29:33
So we do the VA from the AP. 00:29:34
APWA and certainly not instances. 00:29:37
Hey, Patrick, I need to go back to the fireman. 00:29:52
OK, so it shows. It shows that. 00:29:54
Can you zoom in on the height of the base of the fire hydrant to be from from the ground? 00:29:56
So it says. 00:30:02
Two inches to the bolts. 00:30:03
Or to the joint. 00:30:05
From the finished grade. 00:30:07
But then I thought we had. 00:30:09
That's assuming the fire hydrant itself is a standard height. 00:30:11
There's no short hydrants, right? 00:30:14
You know, I thought we had a. 00:30:17
Dimension to the nozzle. 00:30:18
We did have that dimension. Maybe it got. 00:30:32
Maybe it's somewhere else, but you're talking about to the nozzle, right? Yeah, he's talking about. 00:30:35
Yeah, just so. 00:30:41
When the firefighters are responding that they have enough room for. 00:30:43
Clearance for their tools to spin around. 00:30:48
Yeah. 00:30:51
Yeah, good, good catch. 00:30:54
I thought we had that in there. I I know we've. 00:30:55
We've had that. 00:30:59
But that's good to show there. 00:31:00
Another change we made on this was. 00:31:03
I'll go to our old detail real fast. 00:31:07
We had the tracer wire. 00:31:10
The tracer wire would come up the hydrant. 00:31:13
And then peak out. 00:31:15
And then they would just. 00:31:17
Tied onto the chain on the hydrant or something, it just kind of. 00:31:18
Was ugly. Just got it, got in the way. 00:31:22
But now we have the tracer wire come up into a. 00:31:25
A little. 00:31:29
Pipe that's that will be embedded in the concrete with a with a cap. 00:31:30
So it'll be nice and clean. You won't see a wire sticking up, you know, next to the hydrant anymore. 00:31:34
So that was one thing I really liked. 00:31:41
And part of the other reason I. 00:31:46
I mentioned the the apron is. 00:31:48
So people can. 00:31:51
Work nicely around this, but another reason is when you blow off the hydrant, you're not. 00:31:52
You can blow it off and not destroy the landscaping around it, you know. 00:31:57
This is the. 00:32:09
What I was? 00:32:10
Talking about with our. 00:32:13
The Vault This is the old vault detail and it just didn't make. 00:32:16
Sense for what we used in the city, so we got rid of that one. 00:32:20
I guess we didn't put. 00:32:25
The new one is a lot cleaner. 00:32:29
So this is the new one. 00:32:33
So this is the new vault that we're. 00:32:36
We're putting downtown for all the three inch meters. 00:32:39
So it's a lot nicer. 00:32:44
This one shows the clean out at the property line like I mentioned before. 00:32:50
And then changing. 00:32:56
Changing. 00:32:58
The amount of clean out so. 00:33:00
Before we just required a clean out every 100 feet no matter the. 00:33:02
Size of the pipe. 00:33:07
But now we're changing it to. 00:33:09
With a four inch pipe you need to put clean outs every 50 feet. 00:33:11
And as mentioned earlier, this is our sheet for parking spaces, parking dimensions. 00:33:17
So this will be. 00:33:23
Really good to have. 00:33:25
A lot, a lot more straightforward. 00:33:27
Before in our code, it just kind of had a generic. 00:33:30
It just basically said parking stalls should be 9 foot wide and. 00:33:34
18 feet long or something it was. 00:33:38
Not very detailed. 00:33:41
But this this is a lot more detailed. 00:33:42
Patrick, when you're talking about parking, is is this parking within the public right of way? 00:33:46
So because our, our zoning has has. 00:33:52
Our parking requirements and so we would want to make sure there's not a conflict between those two. 00:33:54
I'm sorry, I believe we. 00:34:00
I mean this would align to the parking along. 00:34:01
That. 00:34:05
And correct me if I'm wrong, Patrick, but I mean really what this does is provides a little bit more clarification in terms of. 00:34:08
The parking. 00:34:15
More on this space like I believe the zoning. 00:34:17
Requirements provides. 00:34:20
Like a parking stall should be X amount of feet wide and that deep. 00:34:22
Yeah. And this kind of goes a little bit into more detail to say. 00:34:26
The because I'm sorry. 00:34:31
The the zoning. 00:34:33
One puts down the usable parking stall space. 00:34:35
Where this kind of goes and say it goes in more detail to say when you do angle parking. 00:34:38
Your lines aren't going to be, let's just say, 18 feet. 00:34:43
Deep in order to. 00:34:47
Because that 18 feet. 00:34:49
Deep line does not translate into an 18 foot length usable. 00:34:51
It actually translates translates less than that. 00:34:55
So this says. 00:34:58
In order to do an angle parking. 00:34:59
Parking stall line. 00:35:02
The length of your Parkinson's line should be like, more like like. 00:35:04
Closer to almost 20 ish I don't know. 00:35:06
Something like that, Patrick, right? Yeah, we don't. 00:35:09
And then? 00:35:11
This one shows 34A for that line well, but it then goes and says then this outlines like. 00:35:12
In order to get. 00:35:18
To make the usable parking stall length and width. 00:35:20
This is what the this is what the dimensions should should be out. 00:35:25
I guess my point is. 00:35:30
Do I understand wanting to capture kind of your public requirements, like your right of way requirements for parking within this 00:35:32
document? 00:35:36
But where we have things that are land use that are. 00:35:41
Like covered in zoning is a better to move some of that to zoning? 00:35:44
And keep and keeping right of way. Right of way. 00:35:49
As opposed to having like like the the property stuff that's covered in zoning covered here. Well, technically this is 00:35:52
specifically just for public infrastructure. So for for the public stuff. 00:35:57
When going to the private, private. 00:36:02
If they do a Parkinson's, like if they want to do a parking, an angle parking stall. 00:36:06
That's not deep enough. 00:36:10
I'll say that I want to say not deep enough like if they say. 00:36:12
Well, you know. 00:36:15
We only need 18 feet depth. 00:36:16
So they do their, they do an angle line and they do 18 feet. 00:36:19
Then what they'll end up doing is they'll have. 00:36:22
Cars like the back of their cars. 00:36:24
Kind of sticking out and so forth and. 00:36:27
It's kind of like more on the then that kind of falls on the. 00:36:29
The ACT ownership. 00:36:34
The liability of the actual property owner. So I'm not concerned with like the dimensions and what the standard is. It's more of 00:36:35
or do we have conflicts between the zoning if I'm an architect and I'm laying out a conceptual plan for a client? 00:36:42
Am I looking at the zoning ordinance and then knowing I should actually be going to this? 00:36:49
So there's. 00:36:55
Because I I know you're saying this. Oh yeah, I got what you said, but I think it should all be consistent. Like what are our? 00:36:55
Private requirements on private property. 00:37:02
Versus property we own or public right of way, we should have some consistency and I'm OK. 00:37:04
If this is the standard, but we need to make sure we have those those connections between the zoning and this document. So yeah, 00:37:09
the way I looked at it was if you have. 00:37:13
A special like zoning district like we have special. 00:37:18
Parking drawings for the downtown area. 00:37:21
So that would kind of supersede. 00:37:25
This general 1 I feel like. 00:37:29
Anthony pulled up. 00:37:33
What our current zoning code? 00:37:34
Has for parking. 00:37:36
It basically just has a table. 00:37:38
Where it just says standard parking with 9 feet 20 foot length, parallel 8 feet 24 foot length. 00:37:40
And so just kind of and then parking aisle dimensions as a little table for parking aisle dimensions. 00:37:49
If so, I guess my question is, Anthony, have you reviewed this? Does this meet what we what, what we could use? 00:37:55
Because I I guess what I don't want is like 2 policies. 00:38:02
That maybe they kind of address different things, but really our city, like I think we should have one. 00:38:05
At least dimensionally one parking standard and then like we have that and we just. 00:38:11
If it's in our parking, if our parking codes more of. 00:38:16
Like if you're a bank, you need X number of stalls per 1000 square feet. Like like like. 00:38:19
The numbers. 00:38:26
Are OK in our code, but if we already have this, that's the same dimensionally, this is what you need to have and then for aisles. 00:38:27
Why don't we just keep that one spot and then we reference like the the dimension stuff? 00:38:34
I don't know. Have you looked at that, Anthony? 00:38:38
OK, well that's probably something we need to do pretty quickly then to. 00:38:41
Yeah, I I just don't want 2 conflicting documents. Even if ours is really general and yours more specific. I'd rather just. 00:38:45
Rather just like. 00:38:53
Like sent everyone to 1 document. Yeah, no, that's a good point. Yeah, just just reference the one. Yeah, so. 00:38:54
Yeah, we can talk about it out. Yeah, that's a good point. We need to consolidate it. 00:39:03
Thank you. 00:39:07
This is just getting rid of the survey monuments. 00:39:14
And that is? 00:39:17
It. 00:39:19
Sorry, it's been a long time on that. 00:39:22
Is there any other questions? There's there's a lot of detail and. 00:39:24
In all this but. 00:39:28
I don't want to. 00:39:30
We would spend all day if we went through. 00:39:32
Everything but. 00:39:34
Are there any questions? 00:39:35
Patty, do you want to bring up your concerns? 00:39:42
Some comments. 00:39:44
Yeah, I do have. 00:39:45
So I didn't really. 00:39:50
Area of expertise. 00:39:55
But I did go over. 00:39:56
In it and I do have just. 00:40:00
Just to make sure that. 00:40:05
Sort of on the same thing that. 00:40:06
I was talking about consistency. 00:40:08
So, umm. 00:40:10
In section one of four. 00:40:12
1.04.020, page 4. 00:40:15
Section. 00:40:18
Four. Section F4 under permits. 00:40:20
It says the contractor is responsible to obtain all required business licenses and building. 00:40:25
Permits applicable to this project. 00:40:30
I think that should be engineering permits. 00:40:32
Because we're talking about. 00:40:36
Like specifically, this section is talking about the requirements for. 00:40:39
Pre construction. 00:40:45
I think the intent of this was to. 00:40:49
To basically make sure that. 00:40:52
They get all. 00:40:54
Permits that are required so that not so that. 00:40:56
We're not saying. 00:40:59
Or you can't just go out and start construction. 00:41:00
With some permits, but not. 00:41:05
All. Yeah, we can change that. No, we can change that to be all applicable permits by the. 00:41:07
Through. 00:41:14
Through the respective agencies. 00:41:15
Yeah, through their respective agencies. 00:41:18
Yeah, we can just say applicable permits. 00:41:20
More broader language is better. 00:41:22
To just sort of like capture that anything. 00:41:24
Could be required. 00:41:27
Page 5 under section. 00:41:29
Under Bonds, Section C. 00:41:33
It notes. 00:41:36
Bond is required. 00:41:39
And that can be. 00:41:42
A letter from a bank. 00:41:44
Survey. 00:41:46
Surety company or cash bond? 00:41:47
So just. 00:41:49
To make consistently uh. 00:41:50
As of may, finance departments ask that we no longer do cash bonds because of the state code interest rate requirements for state 00:41:52
code 10-98-604. 00:41:57
.53 B. 00:42:02
So we probably would just want to take cash bond. 00:42:06
Out of that. 00:42:09
And we took it out of the. 00:42:11
Different section further down. 00:42:12
For bonds. 00:42:13
So we probably just want to remove it from. 00:42:15
This section as well to just to be. 00:42:17
Consistent. Yeah, I think. 00:42:19
And we don't think we were keeping and I'll talk, we'll talk to the finance. I think we were keeping on. 00:42:22
Cash bonds for the fact that. 00:42:27
There may be, because we do have encroachment balance. 00:42:28
Like there's that would be small. 00:42:32
And. 00:42:34
Taking. 00:42:36
Encroachment bonds are typically done through surety bonds. 00:42:37
Typically, but not typically those up. 00:42:41
Yeah. It was specifically requested that we not do cash bonds anymore because of the interest rate bearing requirements. 00:42:43
That you have to put him in interest rate. 00:42:51
Interest rate. 00:42:53
Burying accounts. 00:42:54
Separate for each one. 00:42:55
And then pay that out. So like that we would have to calculate the interest rate for how long we're keeping those bonds. 00:42:57
Yeah, we understand. Well, we'll confirm with the. 00:43:06
With the finance department to ensure their. 00:43:09
One item on there is. 00:43:12
We're trying to keep it level because I know there's cities out there like they're they're removing sure, surely bonds. 00:43:14
Out of as a requirement because they don't want to deal with charity companies, but we. 00:43:21
We were keeping them and there are because to ensure that to allow for. 00:43:25
Contractors to have a wide. 00:43:30
To have their options in order to for bonds and themselves. 00:43:33
Bars are like. We do have some instances where bonds are like 2500. 00:43:39
$2500. 00:43:44
Or yeah, $2500. 00:43:45
Bonds and so forth. 00:43:47
And we just want to make sure that we won't put any. 00:43:49
Any undue burden on a? 00:43:52
Contractor to go out and get a surely bond or. 00:43:54
A layer of credit or something like that. 00:43:58
When they would just rather this. 00:44:00
Provided a $25 check, yes, we would have to pay them back in interest, but. 00:44:02
I think those are usually few and few between. 00:44:06
But we'll make sure we're the finance department that they're comfortable with. 00:44:08
Those type of occurrences as well. 00:44:12
I wonder if we could put. 00:44:15
Like a a time limit on on small cash bonds 29 days. 00:44:16
Before there is injury for yeah, there's interest or so because. 00:44:21
Yeah, the the hard part is with encroachment permits. 00:44:25
It's it's very quick. 00:44:29
So they'll submit a. 00:44:31
An encroachment permit. They'll want to start working in a couple days. 00:44:32
And it's very difficult to get. 00:44:36
Like we're going through this right now with. 00:44:39
Enbridge it's very difficult to get any other type of bond from from them. 00:44:41
I mean, I think there were other reasons for the difficulty on that, but. 00:44:47
It's just very difficult to get. 00:44:50
A small. 00:44:52
Bond like a 5002 to $5000 bond. 00:44:53
And we do have that and we do have I think one company in the past and I've seen it done before we're. 00:44:57
A developer may choose if they have the cash for they may choose to do a escrow bond. 00:45:02
Cash Bond. 00:45:06
Where they put all their cash into an escrow account. 00:45:07
And then they just. 00:45:10
And but they they hold on to the account and. 00:45:12
Any interest being a cure occurred on the on the on that. 00:45:14
Stays with stays with the contract at themselves but. 00:45:19
In essence, it's not. It's not sure any bond. It's not. 00:45:22
Layer of credit, but it's just. 00:45:25
Cash bond held Held with a. 00:45:27
Developers. 00:45:30
Attorney. 00:45:31
Oh, that's, I mean that that would be another, correct. Yeah. Escrow bonds are something that we allow for subdivisions right now 00:45:32
through municipal code. So that was another note I had is maybe we add escrow. 00:45:37
To that as an option. 00:45:43
Because it's currently not listed as an option for them to do for. 00:45:45
We'll do that scrub on there, but it is in our municipal code. 00:45:50
So it's a bit of a contradiction there. 00:45:53
On page 6, second paragraph. 00:46:01
Just where it mentions. 00:46:03
Looks like the. 00:46:05
Contractor deposit was added and bond was removed, but everything else in that section still refers to contractor bonds. 00:46:07
So I just don't know. 00:46:15
If we just want to continue that to save contractor bond instead of changing it to contractor deposit, but we didn't change 00:46:17
anything else in that section to contractor deposit. 00:46:21
That's good catch. 00:46:26
This was kind of an attempt to. 00:46:27
We were wondering if there was a way we can get away from. 00:46:30
The bond with interest. 00:46:34
Right. Yeah. If we stopped calling it a bond, can we do like cash deposits without it being? 00:46:37
Yeah, so. 00:46:44
And that's fine if we all change it to the deposit. 00:46:47
Wording then maybe that is a way to not have to deal with the interest rate requirements for a cash bond. 00:46:49
As you're just requiring the cash. 00:46:56
Upfront as a deposit that you'll return back. 00:46:58
Later to them. 00:47:01
Yeah. 00:47:02
Yes, if we're doing it that way, then we would just want to consistently change this section to. 00:47:04
Continue to the word. 00:47:09
Use the word deposit instead of bond. 00:47:10
This particular section had a couple of times where just kept referring to contractor bond instead of contractor deposit, that's 00:47:15
all. So there was just like some inconsistency in this section. 00:47:20
I'll take the hit for that. I told Patrick to change the bonds from deposit. 00:47:24
No, thanks. OK, that's good catch. 00:47:29
And then same page but under section D. 00:47:33
You have. 00:47:36
The people that are required for pre construction conferences. 00:47:37
And you've added major subcontractors? 00:47:40
So city engineer, landowner, and contractor are all defined terms within definitions at the beginning of this section, but major 00:47:43
subcontractors aren't. 00:47:47
And so I'm. 00:47:52
Just wondering if we want to add language. 00:47:54
To provide insight to the contractor and to the applicants. 00:47:57
Who those subconscious who? What is a major subcontractor that you are going to require to attend? 00:48:02
So is that your excavator? Is that you're like? 00:48:10
What? What is the definition of? 00:48:12
A major subcontractor. 00:48:14
Yeah, that's yeah, I think. 00:48:19
Add some language. 00:48:21
Yeah, the reason we put major contractor was. 00:48:24
We basically just wanted to capture the excavator. 00:48:27
Necessary like. 00:48:32
We didn't want all the stuff, Yeah. So showing up. 00:48:33
And my only thing is to like we want to delineate any confusion to applicants. 00:48:35
In. 00:48:40
There if someone we consider to be a major subcontractor isn't invited or. 00:48:41
Brought to the meeting that it does not cause a delay later. 00:48:46
Because they did not have an understanding of. 00:48:49
What those who those people were. 00:48:51
Yeah. Whereas like contractor and landowner are clearly defined terms in the definition. That's fine. And I think, I mean we still 00:48:54
hold the principle that a developer is the sole. 00:48:59
There's the sole party responsible for the project, so. 00:49:05
If for any reason that they choose to change out their contractor midway through project. 00:49:08
There is no reason for us to do. 00:49:12
Meeting with that. 00:49:14
Major subcontractor like the excavator or so forth, that's. 00:49:16
And if there's any issues, it just goes directly to the. 00:49:19
To the developer itself. 00:49:22
As they're the ones who are. 00:49:23
Pulling the permits. 00:49:25
But. 00:49:27
We'll define that a little bit. 00:49:28
We'll put a little definition in there. 00:49:29
To ensure that, yeah. And you could even then like supplement that. 00:49:32
Section that maybe they're not required as the responsibility still falls under the contractor. 00:49:35
But. 00:49:41
That the city highly recommends any major subcontractors, including excavators, to be present at the. 00:49:42
Reconstruction Meeting. 00:49:48
Page 8 under time limitations. 00:49:51
There is a. 00:49:53
Contradiction here with the time limitations for land disturbance permits. 00:49:54
As Municipal Code section 7.08.040 G specifically also. 00:49:58
Calls out land disturbance, permits time limitations. So we just want to make sure that those are either consistent. 00:50:05
Or that one section is referring to the other one. That's like. 00:50:11
The best way to do it is just. 00:50:15
To have one section refer to the other, so you don't have to update both times and both documents every time you want to make a 00:50:17
change. 00:50:20
OK. Yeah, that's a good point. 00:50:26
Yeah. And then and then on page 12. 00:50:44
Under Section H, Notification of residence. 00:50:46
There is you kind of worded what you wanted the. 00:50:50
Notice to say. 00:50:55
Did you want to have a requirement for them to add? 00:50:57
Uh, contact for. 00:51:01
Who that resident should reach out to if they have questions or concerns on the project, because there's nothing in here that 00:51:04
requires any sort of notification for them to provide emergency contacts. 00:51:09
Or, uh. 00:51:14
Context for residents when they're concerned, but I know we've received things. 00:51:15
From. 00:51:20
Community members. 00:51:21
Because they didn't know. 00:51:23
Who to go to? 00:51:25
When construction is happening in the right of way. 00:51:26
So put something in for who residents can contact. 00:51:31
Wait, are we going to require the contractor to provide a contact number? 00:51:37
For residents to reach out to either the contractor or do we want to have them put. 00:51:41
Generic language on. 00:51:46
Who they reach out to with us in the city? 00:51:47
If they have concerns on those projects, but I know we had a lot of those issues with like the Comcast ones. 00:51:50
That were done. 00:51:55
And. 00:51:57
There was no information provided to the residents as to like when that. 00:51:59
Who they should contact? 00:52:03
Or when those projects would be happening. So I think this takes care of the win, but not necessarily The Who. 00:52:05
OK, Yeah. 00:52:13
I see that. 00:52:14
We'll have them, we'll add. 00:52:17
Yeah. I just didn't know if we want to expand that section just a little bit just to be more like. 00:52:25
If we don't put it on as a requirement, they're not going to put it on the. 00:52:31
Notice if that makes sense. 00:52:34
Because they they. 00:52:36
They aren't getting anything else by having community members reach out to them if they're upset. 00:52:37
Yeah. 00:52:42
OK. And then page 16. 00:52:45
Under Electronic under Record Drawings, Section D, third paragraph where it talks about final inspection may not be scheduled 00:52:49
until the record drawings are. 00:52:54
And required electronic files are received. 00:53:00
So that is a conditional statement. 00:53:02
That they cannot do a final inspection, so this act may not. 00:53:05
Acts the same as shall not in this case. 00:53:08
But it's not consistent with the language that you have. 00:53:11
In section one that. 00:53:14
.08 dot 030, section F. 00:53:16
That basically says that. 00:53:20
You can require it, so I would just make that consistent with that section so that you have the option. 00:53:22
To do a final inspection or not do a final inspection with the record drawings. 00:53:27
Yeah, we were trying to leave the option open. What was the other section number? 00:53:32
1.08. 00:53:37
.030, Section F. 00:53:39
So I just copy that sentence and move it over because that way it's just the language in that was. 00:53:43
You know. 00:53:48
Gave you the. 00:53:49
He said 108.003. 00:53:51
1.08.030 Section F. 00:53:55
Zero section F. 00:54:01
OK, yeah, 1.08.030. 00:54:07
Section F. 00:54:11
Sorry I'm not catching this. 00:54:13
Like that? 00:54:14
I'll find it. 00:54:17
It's on page. 00:54:19
I didn't write the page number down, I'm sorry. 00:54:27
Page 25. 00:54:34
Page 18 under warranty bond. 00:54:43
You mentioned a minimum $500 contractor bond. This is not listed in the consolidated fee schedule. 00:54:45
So you just want to be very careful. 00:54:51
You cannot charge. 00:54:54
Fee that isn't listed in the minimum. 00:54:56
Like you can't charge a fee that isn't listed on the consolidated fee schedule. 00:54:58
And so you'll probably just want to put a minimum of $500 on the fee schedule. 00:55:02
So that you can charge. 00:55:07
Which page is that? Because right now the fee schedule just says 10% warning. 00:55:09
Which page is that on? 00:55:13
Sorry, page 18. 00:55:17
Section E. 00:55:18
And then under under. 00:55:35
Page 19. 00:55:37
Under Variances section C. 00:55:39
The last. 00:55:41
Sentence your. 00:55:42
Appeal processes. 00:55:44
That's a lot of appeals. 00:55:46
So I would probably. 00:55:49
The Ombudsman tends to not. 00:55:52
A lot of appeal processes. 00:55:55
I would probably suggest. 00:55:57
Removing at least one, I wouldn't have more than two appeal processes for people. 00:55:59
Before they start going to the court system. 00:56:03
My suggestion. 00:56:06
Would probably be to take out the Planning Commission as they don't normally function as a quasi judicial board. 00:56:08
OK. 00:56:16
But that's, you know, that's. 00:56:18
You know, up to discussion, but typically like having. 00:56:20
A lot of appeal processes. 00:56:24
Tends to be something that gets. 00:56:25
Pretty convoluted for people. 00:56:27
I think that was the last note I made. 00:56:40
Yeah, that was the last note I made. Everything else goes into lake. 00:56:42
The specifications and I don't that's your guys' area of expertise. 00:56:46
OK. Yeah. Thanks Patty for that. 00:56:55
Yeah, you're welcome. 00:56:59
Or you're not welcome if you. 00:57:01
If you didn't want me to say anything. 00:57:03
No thanks, Betty. I wasn't expecting to be reprimanded. 00:57:07
That's good. Anybody. 00:57:12
Have any other concerns? 00:57:14
OK, that. 00:57:18
Any staff or Commission reports? 00:57:21
Move this to adjournment. Thank you guys. 00:57:25
Thank you. 00:57:28