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Oh, are we recording? 00:06:32
OK, welcome. Welcome one and all to the City of Vineyard Planning Commission meeting. It's May 6, 2026 at 7:00 PM. 00:06:34
Well, call this meeting to order and start with an invocation with our new member Daharia. 00:06:43
Thanks. 00:06:49
Our Father in heaven, we are grateful for this day and. 00:06:52
And the opportunity we have. 00:06:55
Planning Commission to. 00:06:57
Further, the development of. 00:06:59
Our beautiful city Vineyard. 00:07:01
We pray that they'll help us. 00:07:04
Placed before us. 00:07:08
Help make decisions that will benefit our city. 00:07:10
And our citizens. 00:07:13
Pray that bless us to be. 00:07:16
And all that we do and so. 00:07:19
Thank you for praying. 00:07:22
Amen. Thank you. 00:07:26
I pledge allegiance to the flag. 00:07:33
Of the United States of America. 00:07:36
Thank you very much for which it stands. 00:07:38
One nation under God. 00:07:41
Individual liberty and justice for all. 00:07:43
Great. Thank you so much. 00:07:48
All right, item number 2. 00:07:53
Are our presentations, recognitions, awards, proclamations? Anthony, do we have anything to? 00:07:55
Proclaim or. 00:08:02
Present under this. 00:08:03
Today. 00:08:04
No, please. All right. Seeing as we recognize nothing, we'll move on to Item 3, which will be our public comments. 00:08:06
Are there any members in the audience, anyone in the audience who would like to provide public comment for anything not on the 00:08:14
agenda today? 00:08:18
Now is your time. 00:08:22
All right, seeing none, we will close item number 3. 00:08:25
And move on to our consent items. There are no items on the consent calendar. 00:08:30
Which moves us. 00:08:35
Immediately into item number 5 and we'll move to 5.1. 00:08:36
Which is the election of a chair and vice chair. 00:08:41
For the 2026. 00:08:44
Calendar year, Anthony, could you give us just a little? 00:08:46
Presentation on what that means. 00:08:50
Yes. Thank you very much, Chair, I will. 00:08:53
Thank you for this opportunity, but I'd like to just mention a few things here Every year, according to the bylaws of the Planning 00:08:56
Commission. 00:09:01
You are required to vote. 00:09:05
To nominate. 00:09:07
And elect. 00:09:08
A chair and a vice chair. 00:09:11
For the Planning Commission. 00:09:13
Unfortunately, we haven't had a lot of meetings this year. 00:09:15
And it had to be pushed all the way through to May. But it's better late than never. So we're here and it's a chance for you as 00:09:18
planning commissioners. 00:09:23
Seen all the? 00:09:29
Good and hard work that you know you yourselves have been doing. 00:09:30
Nominate each other. 00:09:34
For yourself. 00:09:36
For either a chair. 00:09:38
Or a vice chair. 00:09:40
And then you. 00:09:41
You know you'd have a vote. 00:09:42
Where you choose. 00:09:44
Whatever nomination. 00:09:45
That you make. 00:09:47
If you think the old. 00:09:50
The chair and vice chair also did such a great job. You can just hold, you know, keep them in place. 00:09:51
And have a unanimous vote on that and keep moving. So these are so many options that you can. 00:09:57
Decide to go with for this item. 00:10:04
For today. 00:10:08
So at this point, I'll turn it over to the. 00:10:09
Acting chair, who happens to be the chair for last year's Planning Commission. 00:10:12
And that would be Nathan Steele to keep going with this. 00:10:16
Cool, thanks. A quick question before we open up for conversation is everyone. 00:10:19
Present here a. 00:10:25
Full member. 00:10:26
Of the Commission or are there any alternates? 00:10:28
Today. 00:10:31
We have some alternates and I can pull them up. 00:10:31
OK. Are the alternates eligible to be chair or vice chair or only full members? Only full members, OK. 00:10:33
But they can nominate. 00:10:38
OK, excellent. 00:10:39
Does anyone know off the top of their head if they are an alternate? I think Brad is. I think the rest of us are. 00:10:41
Full right? 00:10:46
There's a few that we're missing. Chris isn't here. Jordan isn't here. And remind us. 00:10:51
Vice Chair. 00:10:55
Who is? 00:10:57
The current vice chair. 00:10:58
I believe. Is it you? That's David Pierce. Yeah, that's what I thought. 00:11:02
OK. All right. 00:11:06
So with that, any members of the Commission if you'd like to ask questions? 00:11:09
Or make nominations. Now is your time. 00:11:13
I have a question. I have a question. 00:11:19
Does the chair of the Planning Commission go to the DRC meetings? 00:11:22
Supposed to either go or nominate someone to. 00:11:27
Appoint someone on the Commission to represent the Chair. 00:11:31
What? What to nominate? 00:11:37
I would like to nominate. 00:11:45
To continue to be. 00:11:47
Board chair. 00:11:49
2nd that. 00:11:52
OK. 00:11:53
All right. Should we do chair and then we'll do Vice chair? 00:11:55
Yes. 00:11:59
Any other nominations? 00:12:00
At all. 00:12:02
Your schedule still permits you to. 00:12:07
To serve, OK, Yeah, as long as these meetings being moved to 7:00. 00:12:10
Really helps with that. So yeah, OK. 00:12:15
Very good. OK. 00:12:19
All right, so. 00:12:21
Take that nomination and the second. 00:12:23
We'll go ahead and do a vote for the chair and then we'll do the vice chair. So all in favor of. 00:12:25
Me continuing on his chair. 00:12:29
Aye. 00:12:31
Any opposed? 00:12:33
All right, that passes. 00:12:35
And then for Vice Chair? 00:12:37
I'd like to nominate David Pierce. 00:12:42
I'll second that. 00:12:45
All right. Any other nominations? 00:12:48
All right. 00:12:53
All in favor for David Pierce, serving as vice chair. 00:12:55
Aye aye. Any opposed? 00:12:58
There we go. Passes unanimously. 00:13:01
We'll run it back for another year. 00:13:03
OK, that's the official ruling. 00:13:05
OK, uh. 00:13:07
Excellent. Is that all you need for 5.1? 00:13:09
Yes, that's all we need. Great. We'll move on to 5.2, which is a conditional use in site plan application. 00:13:12
For Tire Auto Body Shop and retail at 430 S Geneva Rd. Regional Commercial zone. 00:13:18
Yes. 00:13:27
I I've got it. 00:13:28
OK, OK. 00:13:30
So. 00:13:32
We don't have the applicant here at the at the moment, but. 00:13:33
I would go through this whole presentation OK, so I'm sorry to interrupt. 00:13:37
If we. 00:13:41
Were they planning on attending? 00:13:43
If so, we may be able to move it. 00:13:45
To later and do 5.3 now, Would that be preferable? 00:13:47
Yeah, we could do that. 00:13:52
They were planning on attending, but because they're not here, I'm not sure. So we could just move it to the next one if you guys 00:13:53
are OK addressing yours now, OK. 00:13:57
No formal action for that because it's all within business item number 5. So we are going to. 00:14:03
Table 5.2. 00:14:07
Until later in the meeting. 00:14:09
And we'll address 5.3 right now. 00:14:10
Which is the site plan amendment for Utah City Wellness Center and Resort Pool Phase 2? 00:14:13
Yes. 00:14:17
Thank you very much. Thanks for staying on your toes while we shift like that. 00:14:18
No problem. 00:14:22
Thank you. 00:14:22
So. 00:14:23
I'll be presented on the site plan amendment for the Utah City Wellness Center. 00:14:25
Phase 2. 00:14:30
Just to give you a location context it is located on. 00:14:31
I don't know if you can see this, but it's 250 W. 00:14:36
1000. 00:14:40
25 N. 00:14:41
Here in Utah City. 00:14:44
Right to the. 00:14:46
If you can tell from my cursor, it's right on the. 00:14:48
Each side of the vineyard connector. 00:14:51
And looking at the entire promenade or. 00:14:55
Green Line. 00:14:59
It's located within this section right here. 00:15:00
So it is. 00:15:07
In the Town Center. 00:15:09
Is it in the Town Center zoning? 00:15:11
Of. 00:15:13
Code and the use that they're. 00:15:15
Requested for. I mean, they're looking to amend. 00:15:18
Just to give you a. 00:15:21
Some context is permitted within this aquatic. 00:15:23
The aquatic facility is permitted within the Lake Promenade Town Center zone. 00:15:27
For our code. 00:15:32
Now just to give you some background and overview as well. 00:15:36
This was approved. 00:15:40
This entire project was approved back in 2023 December. 00:15:42
With a Wellness Center, a spa building, a restaurant. 00:15:48
A pool building and. 00:15:52
They are in this amendment. 00:15:54
Look into. 00:15:57
Update or change the. 00:15:59
Entire elevation, so it looks a little different from what? 00:16:01
I mean a lot different from what was initially. 00:16:05
Proved. 00:16:07
So this does not show as much but. 00:16:11
This is the site plan that was previously approved. 00:16:16
This is. 00:16:19
Currently, what they're looking to change, and this is the phase two-part of it. 00:16:21
Which is on the on the South side of way. 00:16:26
The main pool. 00:16:29
It's going to be on the South side of the. 00:16:31
Of the. 00:16:33
The lot. 00:16:34
And this I don't know if you can follow my cursor. 00:16:35
But on this? 00:16:38
North and East side is the. 00:16:39
Spa building and restaurant. 00:16:42
So nothing actually changed with the landscaping. It was approved the other time they went above and beyond what is required. 00:16:50
In the space. 00:16:57
Actually, in this space, according to our code, they only required about 16 trees. 00:16:59
But they're providing well over 50 trees in this space, so. 00:17:03
I just thought I'd point that out. 00:17:07
And previous elevations that were approved. 00:17:09
Back then. 00:17:13
Looked like this. 00:17:14
Build size. 00:17:18
And you know, capacity. Everything still stays the same, just architecturally. 00:17:21
Things have changed. 00:17:26
And they wanted to look this way instead. 00:17:27
I'm just going to go through. 00:17:34
The elevations and if you have any questions you can just stop me rather than just. 00:17:36
Trying to. 00:17:40
Explain every architectural change in here. 00:17:41
Yeah, we'll let you finish your presentation first, OK. 00:17:44
One thing that. 00:17:48
You know, with this new change, we. 00:17:49
We discussed with the applicant was the North facade of the. 00:17:51
Of this elevation change that they wanted to make. 00:17:58
Had a much blank wall. 00:18:01
And we wanted to. 00:18:03
Make sure that it provides a more pedestrian, pedestrian friendly approach. 00:18:05
So we talked about potentially breaking it up with some landscaping in which they agreed with. So that's how it's going to look 00:18:12
like some IV's and some trees. 00:18:17
Just to make it look more appealing and not look like a blank wall. 00:18:22
On the on the. 00:18:26
Pool building side of the building. 00:18:27
And this is how. 00:18:32
What they have also. 00:18:33
Updated the restaurant to look like. 00:18:35
Now, having said that, the conditions. 00:18:38
Of approval based on the review and every. 00:18:41
Thing that we've had to go through. 00:18:44
Was that they pay the outstanding fees and you know, these are standard. 00:18:46
Conditions that we have. 00:18:52
The applicant. 00:18:53
Is also required as I mentioned earlier. 00:18:55
To have the northern facade of the. 00:18:57
Pull meet the agreed upon landscaping to provide a more pedestrian friendly experience and limit the blank wall. 00:18:59
So they agreed to again. 00:19:07
Include these trees and other landscaping elements to make it look. 00:19:09
Better and. 00:19:14
You know, more human scale as well. 00:19:16
There's another part of it that I have not spoken about, but this condition is born out of a meeting that we had this morning, 00:19:20
which is the applicant should provide a safe. 00:19:25
Park in and circulation plan while the spar building is being. 00:19:30
Completed or finished up? I want to go up here to explain a few things. 00:19:34
So when you look at this site plan that's being. 00:19:39
You know, uh. 00:19:42
Shown here. 00:19:43
The applicant has. 00:19:44
A phase in plan for this. 00:19:47
You know, development itself where they look into. 00:19:49
Get the phase two which is the main. 00:19:52
Down here. 00:19:55
This looks better. 00:19:56
With the the main pool. 00:19:57
Completed by next summer. 00:19:59
But. 00:20:02
Completed and open to the public. 00:20:03
By next summer. 00:20:05
At the same time. 00:20:07
They will be working on. 00:20:09
The you know, the spa building and the restaurant area. 00:20:11
So we came up with that condition. 00:20:15
To have better fencing. 00:20:19
And, you know, a good circulation plan. 00:20:21
And also parking plan. 00:20:24
So that while they're doing all of. 00:20:26
The, you know, finishing. 00:20:28
Finished work in this other part of the building. 00:20:30
People can still use the main pool safely. 00:20:34
And not have any issues since it may still be an active construction site. 00:20:37
On the North End and east side of the site. 00:20:43
So that's the reasoning behind. 00:20:47
The. 00:20:50
The last condition that was included. 00:20:53
Would need to have all of those at least. 00:20:56
Discussed and agreed upon. 00:20:59
Before. 00:21:01
They are or. 00:21:03
They have that as part of the conditions before it gets to the point where they need to start operating the main pool. 00:21:04
So that's about it. 00:21:10
Staff recommends approval of this site plan amendment. 00:21:13
I essentially. 00:21:19
Nothing changed other than how. 00:21:20
That's going to look on the, you know, the various facades, that's the elevations. 00:21:22
And. 00:21:27
Here's a sample motion. 00:21:31
For this. 00:21:32
Application. Umm. 00:21:34
We also have the applicant here, so if there are any questions that. 00:21:36
We have concern in this presentation. 00:21:41
We can. 00:21:43
Ask them as well to clarify. 00:21:46
Thank you. 00:21:48
Great. Thank you so much. Anthony, before we hear from the applicant or before we ask questions of the applicant, are there any 00:21:49
questions for Anthony? 00:21:52
From anyone on the Commission. 00:21:56
You're. 00:22:00
Yeah. All right. 00:22:01
Jeff Yeah, OK, great. 00:22:03
The 4th question so the pool will be completed. 00:22:06
About the summer of. 00:22:09
2027. 00:22:11
And in use. 00:22:13
And there will be construction. 00:22:15
Continuing on the north and east sides, yes. 00:22:17
According to what was shared by the. 00:22:24
Applicant. 00:22:26
Whoever makes the motion can ultimately make this decision. I would just recommend the nitpicky in me on the last bullet. Rather 00:22:29
than saying while the spa building is finished up, I'll just say that the. 00:22:35
Parking circulation plan will. 00:22:41
In effect until the SPA building receives its certificate of occupancy. Just so it has a better definition. 00:22:43
To it. That would be my only suggestion. 00:22:49
Are there any other questions for Anthony? 00:22:53
Maybe. Do we have accessibility measures for people with wheelchairs accounted for? 00:22:59
So I'd like to. 00:23:06
Rams and ask the applicant to move up front. 00:23:08
Introduce yourself. We all don't know you so. 00:23:11
OK. Before you, that was a great question. Anyone else? 00:23:14
All right, so. 00:23:18
There we go. Come up. 00:23:20
You can address that. 00:23:22
As well as just an overall little brief explanation if you could. 00:23:23
Just summarize really quickly what are the changes. 00:23:27
Yeah, because this isn't a new site plan or a new landscape plan. 00:23:30
It's adjusting something that was already approved. 00:23:34
With just a couple changes. So if you could just summarize that, that'd be great. 00:23:37
Yep, that's right, Bronson Tatten. 00:23:40
With Utah City. 00:23:42
This is BJ. 00:23:43
Also with Utah City. 00:23:45
He's our director of architecture. 00:23:49
Architectural. 00:23:51
Related questions. 00:23:52
We're gonna have BJ come up. 00:23:54
But so as far as parking goes. 00:23:56
We do have a parking plan that surrounds the site. 00:23:59
We do have. 00:24:02
Accessible stalls just down the street. 00:24:05
From here. 00:24:07
There's also. 00:24:10
Future parking plan to the north of the block that we haven't built yet but will likely be coming online. 00:24:12
Let's see, 13 C is. 00:24:20
Next fall. 00:24:22
Yeah. So there will be additional. 00:24:26
Accessible stalls up in the block to the north. 00:24:30
So some of the changes that we. 00:24:35
Why we're coming today is just what Anthony was saying. We. 00:24:38
Have changed the exterior elevations so. 00:24:41
In May of last year, we came in with the phase one and these are the elevations for the phase one building. So the one on the left 00:24:44
is the restroom building. 00:24:49
And like pool equipment. 00:24:54
Rooms. 00:24:57
And then this building on the right hand side. 00:24:58
This is the concessions building. 00:25:01
And then in our. 00:25:03
If you can, go to the other kind of the perspective renderings. 00:25:05
We were initially thinking this building would be more of like a mountain, modern. 00:25:11
Architectural style. 00:25:15
And so that's what you're seeing in here. So this was. 00:25:16
That would have been two years ago. 00:25:20
And we have. 00:25:22
Progressed in like our architectural styles within Utah City and so. 00:25:23
You see now the elevations are changing to a more traditional like. 00:25:28
Georgian architectural style. 00:25:32
That's more fitting with. 00:25:35
Some of the other buildings that will be coming online in Utah City. 00:25:38
So the footprints and the. 00:25:42
The square footages of the building stayed the same although the restaurant. 00:25:45
Was conceptualized at 2 storeys. 00:25:49
We have a portion of two-story above the restaurant but. 00:25:52
Anthony, maybe you can go to the rest the restaurant. 00:25:57
Elevation. 00:26:01
So on the bottom left elevation, that's like when you're coming down Broad Street, that's the elevation that you see. So it's the 00:26:03
east elevation. 00:26:07
The portion to the right. 00:26:12
Is part of the. 00:26:14
The restroom or restaurant? 00:26:16
Building umm. 00:26:18
It's a double volume to stories. 00:26:19
And then the bulk of the restaurant is that single story off to the left. 00:26:21
So we did. 00:26:26
The restaurant. 00:26:27
Did shrink a little bit in square footage but the the parking. 00:26:28
We've just kept the same parking. And to clarify, the restaurant shrinking is just removing. 00:26:32
Portions of the second story and. 00:26:38
Yeah. And I should say that this. 00:26:40
This. 00:26:42
This version of the restaurant. 00:26:44
We do. 00:26:46
We do plan on having that roof. 00:26:47
Um, accessible. 00:26:51
So you can come up into the second story piece of the restaurant and. 00:26:52
And be out on the roof. 00:26:56
Outdoor seating on the. 00:27:00
Yeah, wonderful. 00:27:01
OK. So that's kind of one of the changes as far as the square footage goes, but the rest of the Wellness? 00:27:03
And. 00:27:09
The upper pool and the equipment, it's all still just the same. 00:27:11
Great. All right. Thank you. Are there any questions for the applicant? 00:27:16
Daria, I'm looking at you. 00:27:20
I have several OK. 00:27:22
I read through the agenda packet and I was reading everything. 00:27:26
So I have several questions if that's OK with everyone. 00:27:31
I I was looking at First off, I was looking under the general demolition notes. 00:27:37
And I'm wondering where all this demolition material is going to end up. 00:27:41
As far as soil goes. 00:27:46
Whenever we dig a footing. 00:27:50
Will excavate and any of that soil goes onto adjacent blocks for fill in. 00:27:51
Future. 00:27:57
Projects. 00:27:58
No, none of the. 00:28:01
None of the soil that we're excavating in the area now is. 00:28:04
Is impacted like environmentally impacted That cleanup happened? 00:28:07
Before we bought the property. 00:28:11
And like before 2019. 00:28:13
So you're just moving it around in the in the whole Utah City area, so. 00:28:15
Part of this. 00:28:20
Area. 00:28:21
Which? 00:28:23
A lot of it has already been removed, but there was an old. 00:28:24
**** like a big berm. 00:28:26
It was built through this section. 00:28:29
That has all been. 00:28:31
Moved away. 00:28:32
Like if you look further north up toward HCI, you'll still see some of the **** that's up further up there. 00:28:33
But yeah, this. 00:28:40
This one's all been cleared. 00:28:41
So now the excavation that's happening is all. 00:28:43
Underneath. 00:28:47
That impacted soil that has already been. 00:28:48
Has already left. 00:28:50
OK, good. Thank you. 00:28:51
OK. 00:28:53
Yes, I'm going to ask you about the. 00:28:57
Wellness Center, the South elevation. 00:29:00
It's kind of all blank. 00:29:03
Aren't we supposed to have like 30% of blazing? 00:29:05
On those on those blank buildings, aren't we supposed to have 30%? 00:29:08
Windows on all buildings. 00:29:13
That's a good question. So when we're internal facing that? 00:29:15
That requirement is for the streets. 00:29:18
But where we're internal, there will be in. What you don't see in here is there's cabanas. 00:29:21
That are embedded into that facade. 00:29:25
And we probably should have shown them, but there's. 00:29:28
I believe there's six cabanas. 00:29:30
That fit into that facade. 00:29:32
There will be like. 00:29:35
How would you explain that? 00:29:39
It just openings in that building facade. 00:29:41
And cabanas will be in there with. 00:29:43
Couches like sofas. 00:29:45
And then behind that wall is all of the pool equipment. 00:29:47
So that's why there aren't any windows is because you'd be looking at. 00:29:50
The pool equipment, OK, but I'm wondering. 00:29:53
Can we not? 00:29:56
Do some type of textural glazing. 00:29:57
You know. 00:30:01
Going to think I'm silly but. 00:30:02
OK, I am not a graphic artist. 00:30:07
But this is from my shower. 00:30:09
Door. Did you do that with some crayon? 00:30:12
Yeah, you know you can make it. 00:30:17
Opaque. 00:30:20
Different colors. 00:30:21
And you can frame it and make it. 00:30:23
Something. 00:30:27
A visual, something visual to look at so that that's not a bad. 00:30:28
Consideration. 00:30:37
Or else I think I think. 00:30:38
Concrete. You know how concrete. 00:30:41
That underpasses 20 the 2002 Olympics, and they have the concrete. 00:30:44
Beautiful. 00:30:49
Things like that. 00:30:50
Could you do something like that other than just? 00:30:51
Tree or Bush? 00:30:55
And cheers. 00:30:57
Can you can you do something like that to? 00:30:59
Yeah, the the fin, yeah. 00:31:05
Well, the. 00:31:08
We can definitely do texture. 00:31:11
On that concrete and with the cabanas, the cabanas will act like. 00:31:13
I wanted to. 00:31:19
Are we talking about the north? The North? 00:31:21
Yeah, OK. 00:31:23
Wall. The blank wall, yeah. 00:31:25
And so that's the one wall on this building. 00:31:26
That. 00:31:29
This building is so large and has so many different. 00:31:31
Needs to it. We've got to have. 00:31:34
One place to be able to deal with trash and all these different things so they. 00:31:36
The pool the there's the secondary pool in the plan. They both look at ground level. The 2nd pool in the main area. 00:31:40
Is elevated. 00:31:47
So we. 00:31:48
That pool hangs down into that space and that's where we have our shipping or receiving our trash, all these different things, so. 00:31:49
And we want to do exactly what you're saying, I mean. 00:31:56
Sometimes these elevations. 00:31:59
We put these together to get these approvals and we're in the midst of finishing up this building and trying to articulate the 00:32:01
zone. 00:32:04
We want to do exactly what you're talking about. We've started with. 00:32:07
Landscaping. 00:32:10
We're trying to be very true to the style of the building, the detailing of it. I mean, you saw the cupola and some different 00:32:12
things. We're trying to put a lot of that detail in here. 00:32:16
This area we're still working through a little bit in terms of all that articulation because. 00:32:21
Just like you. 00:32:26
It means a tremendous amount to us to make this whole development. 00:32:27
Authentic. 00:32:31
And so we do want to put those textures in the concrete. We're looking at, do we put columns on that wall? Do we put different? 00:32:33
You know, we've talked about embedded artwork in that wall. 00:32:40
So we're trying to do that, but we want to find just that, right? 00:32:43
Kind of way to do that that's authentic to the building, not just. 00:32:47
We did it. 00:32:51
To match this other thing right I. 00:32:51
If I could just clarify, are we talking about the facade that? 00:32:54
You have a red ring up of right now. 00:32:57
That's the only. 00:32:59
Facade, yes, so OK. 00:33:00
Can I make a comment? 00:33:04
So this discussion began with the South. 00:33:06
And I wanted to be sure that you're clear with that because the South end. 00:33:11
Where that doesn't face the right, it doesn't, yeah, it doesn't face the right away. So yeah. So there are no restricted to any of 00:33:15
these. 00:33:18
But the north side? 00:33:22
Is just what? 00:33:23
We have here that we had discussed earlier. 00:33:24
And you know, BJ just went over. 00:33:26
You know, to make that work or look better. 00:33:31
We talked about some landscaping to break it in a little bit, right? Because the previous version was more blank than it was just 00:33:34
modification. The purpose of this is to approve the modifications which adds a bit more dynamic texture and all texture to it. 00:33:41
OK, that sounds good. 00:33:51
And then I think I just have one more. 00:33:54
Oh, how many? 00:33:58
How many seats are in that restaurant? 00:34:00
We don't have yet. 00:34:02
We don't know. It's more than anything, it's a shell at this point. We don't have the exact restaurant tour. 00:34:04
The type of restaurant, OK. 00:34:10
I was just trying to address that with parking, making sure that we do have adequate parking for that. 00:34:12
We do plan to ballet that restaurant. 00:34:18
You had valet, that restaurant. 00:34:20
I mean, that's the intent. There will be we, we do have parking for the restaurant, but. 00:34:22
There will be a valet option that you could pull up and someone will take both cards. Yeah. 00:34:28
When earlier when? 00:34:33
Martina was asking about accessibility. 00:34:36
How far you said? 00:34:39
It's not too far. How far is accessible during that construction phase? 00:34:40
Just just for her information. 00:34:45
That's a good point too, because I wanted to clarify a little bit on the construction phasing. 00:34:49
So I think what? 00:34:53
I want to put words in. 00:34:56
Anthony's mouth. But we have a phase one. 00:34:57
Phase one is supposed to open. 00:35:00
Like in December. 00:35:02
That's not a great time to open pools. 00:35:03
And so we probably won't actually open that phase one should finish. 00:35:05
While. 00:35:09
We're still building Phase 2. 00:35:10
Phase Two's main pool. 00:35:13
And Wellness building should all open in August. 00:35:15
That's what construction schedules we're seeing. 00:35:18
From CERC. 00:35:22
But. 00:35:23
I think that's. 00:35:26
From in. 00:35:28
BJ and I were talking Phase 2 will all be done together so we won't open the main pool without the Wellness. 00:35:30
Also being open. 00:35:35
But phase one. 00:35:37
Like come May of next year. 00:35:38
When pools traditionally open, we will probably open. 00:35:40
The kids pool and splash pad. 00:35:44
But we will make sure that the circulation so. 00:35:47
When? 00:35:50
When the main facility opens. 00:35:51
All of this parking along the north that you can see in this site plan. 00:35:53
Will all be available and. 00:35:57
When we open phase one. 00:35:59
We'll make sure that we understand. 00:36:01
What's required for phase one? I think there's a table in the last approval that. 00:36:02
Articulated that. 00:36:07
And we'll make sure that that parking. 00:36:08
Chris and Pat and Patty. 00:36:11
Building officials will. 00:36:13
Make sure that that parking is available and open when. 00:36:14
We open. 00:36:17
Certain get CFO. 00:36:19
Buildings, yeah, I think it's important to note that. 00:36:20
No certificates of occupancy are granted. 00:36:23
For commercial buildings like this, unless it's already shown that they're following. 00:36:27
The Americans with Disability Act. 00:36:31
Yep, correct. 00:36:33
So there's accessible parking here. 00:36:36
The additional parking that we'll have. 00:36:39
A little bit later is on the block to the north. 00:36:41
And then there's also. 00:36:44
Built accessible parking just down the Green Line. 00:36:45
Over by the Racquet Club. 00:36:49
So you'll have plenty of ADA parking available. 00:36:51
Yep, Yep. 00:36:54
OK, just one more. 00:37:05
Psych. 00:37:07
You named one of the buildings. 00:37:14
Oh yeah, yeah. 00:37:15
So were you planning on? 00:37:17
Painting Monet's water with lilies on that mural. 00:37:20
We should. We should. 00:37:24
We should. 00:37:26
You know, that might be a little. 00:37:29
Strange, but I think that would be a pretty cool idea. 00:37:32
I mean you've you've named it a larager array. 00:37:36
You might as well do it. 00:37:39
We should do that. 00:37:41
We need a little more culture and Vineyard. I think that's great. 00:37:42
No class up the joint. 00:37:46
Thank you, Dorian. Do you want to know where that's at? 00:37:48
You want us to point that out? 00:37:52
Well, sure, you can find it out. 00:37:53
So it's kind of hard to. 00:37:56
Does it look better on here? 00:37:58
Yeah, yes. 00:38:00
I'll go ahead. 00:38:03
OK, so. 00:38:05
You see the upper pool? 00:38:07
The one that's on the top of the page. 00:38:08
Just to the right, there's kind of a blue. 00:38:10
Long rectangle. 00:38:13
That is like a glass roof. 00:38:14
And the space underneath that is like layers, mineral baths and spas. And that's the urangery. It's glass all the way around on 00:38:16
the sides. 00:38:21
A large skylight. Underneath it is a large mineral tub. Hot mineral tub. A cold tub. 00:38:26
And then you go inside. 00:38:33
One layer further into the building and. 00:38:35
That's the whole bathroom. 00:38:37
Bathhouse component. 00:38:38
Saunas snow showers. 00:38:39
Is that all available for the community or is that just for restaurants? 00:38:43
It's all for. It will have different levels that for everybody. 00:38:47
Yeah, I think you should sort of virally. 00:38:51
By level student memberships. 00:38:53
At the beginning. 00:38:55
It's, I don't think it's been fully worked out, but yeah, it would be like what we compare it to is like Orem Rec Center. If 00:38:57
you're in Orem or Vineyard City resident you get. 00:39:01
A discounted rate, but the general public pays a little more. 00:39:06
So there would be some, there would be a tier. 00:39:10
System. 00:39:12
That's what we've talked about in the. 00:39:14
In the police agreement with the city. 00:39:18
OK, let's. 00:39:21
We're going to do some public comments later. 00:39:23
Let's just adjust these right now and then I'll open up questions. 00:39:25
To the public, thanks. 00:39:28
OK, Brad Graydon. 00:39:32
Well, just a comment. This is really exciting. 00:39:36
I think we here in Vineyard love. 00:39:41
Pools. 00:39:43
Up until this point, maybe there's only HOA pools. We've had a couple. 00:39:46
Cool pools for. 00:39:51
A few years My son recently visited the new. 00:39:53
Pool by the overpass. 00:39:56
In that HOA, yeah, the orchards. 00:40:00
And I believe also holdaway fields has an HOA. 00:40:02
And they're planning on a pool. 00:40:06
You guys are going to be open. 00:40:09
Next year. 00:40:11
What? 00:40:13
You know, so far these have all been HOA pools. 00:40:14
And, you know, limited access. 00:40:17
But as far as? 00:40:21
Access. 00:40:23
To these pools. 00:40:24
Yeah, fees, who's who owns them, who can go there? 00:40:26
What can you say about that? 00:40:31
Yeah, yeah. So the ownership structure is? 00:40:33
We will build this. We'll deed it to the city. 00:40:36
The city will own. The ground will own. 00:40:40
Everything. 00:40:43
And then we have a lease agreement to lease it back and. 00:40:44
Operate it for the city. 00:40:47
And in that agreement. 00:40:49
We talk about like. 00:40:51
I don't think it articulates exactly what the pricing will be. 00:40:55
Because we. 00:40:58
We we haven't hired the operator that will actually. 00:40:58
Run it. We've been talking to a lot of people. 00:41:02
They will be the ones that will establish the pricing. 00:41:04
But. 00:41:10
The the agreement that we have is that it will not be. 00:41:10
For profit. 00:41:13
Run Facility. 00:41:16
It'll any profits that roll off of it. 00:41:18
Rolled back into maintaining the facility. So that's. 00:41:22
That's. 00:41:25
Kind of where the pricing will be set, we need to understand what it's going to cost to run it. 00:41:26
The fees and everything, we'll need to cover that. 00:41:31
And then anything that comes above that will. 00:41:34
Will get put back. 00:41:36
Into the into the facility and in the in the green Line. 00:41:40
OK, very cool. You're yeah, you're keeping it reasonable, not Lagoon. 00:41:43
Pricing. 00:41:47
Yeah. And so I guess to be clear too, this is not an HOA pool. 00:41:48
This is a. 00:41:52
This is. 00:41:54
More like a city pool. 00:41:55
That the city is hiring someone else to come and. 00:41:57
Run it for them. 00:42:00
Kids from Salt Lake and. 00:42:01
Show up and swim. 00:42:02
Yep, they pay the membership fees. 00:42:04
Or if there's, you know, a day, use that's. 00:42:07
A day use fee. You can just show up and come in. 00:42:10
You'll you'll pay an entrance fee. 00:42:15
So yeah. 00:42:19
Cool. OK. 00:42:20
There any other questions? 00:42:22
I see one forming. 00:42:26
In your mind, no. 00:42:28
Yeah, just going back to the accessible stalls for like away from the beginning on. 00:42:30
I'm just nervous that there might not be enough. 00:42:36
Or if the distance might be. 00:42:40
Too much. 00:42:42
For someone in a wheelchair. 00:42:43
To access comfortably. 00:42:45
So how many were you thinking in this phase one and how many in the Phase 2? 00:42:51
Yeah, I'm not sure off the top of my head. 00:42:56
I don't recall off top of my head the number. 00:42:59
But I would say to the point made earlier, we do comply with ADA, we comply with all the building codes. It's in our best interest 00:43:02
as well to make sure that we provide the required number amount. 00:43:08
They're within that close proximity. 00:43:14
The ADA requires that they're approximate. 00:43:16
Relationship to the front entries of the building and things of that nature. So. 00:43:19
I mean as we are. 00:43:23
Working through both phases, we will make sure that we can apply, I mean it's as much for our benefit and the communities benefit 00:43:24
and all those things as well so. 00:43:29
There's many things that you can do to find areas to value engineers. Those are not those areas. 00:43:33
OK, perfect. Thank you. 00:43:39
That's reassuring. I'm just. 00:43:41
I've seen jobs done that are. 00:43:43
They're illogical. 00:43:47
As somebody who's in a wheelchair. 00:43:49
I totally agree and ultimately. 00:43:52
I think with everything we're trying to do, just as a side kind of social note. 00:43:54
We're trying to prove to the community that we're serious about doing this right, doing it something that's. 00:43:58
Way above par for the community and. 00:44:03
For perpetuity. 00:44:06
So it's our goal. 00:44:07
Really appreciate it. Thank you. 00:44:10
All right. 00:44:13
I want to hear from the public. If there is any public comment or questions, what we'll do is ask the questions, we'll record them 00:44:16
down. 00:44:20
Lend the public comment time and then allow either staff or the applicant to address those. 00:44:24
One of the things I wanted to just make sure. 00:44:28
We are staying within focus on what? 00:44:31
The. 00:44:34
Action we are considering this evening is This is not an approval of the entire. 00:44:35
Plan, uh. 00:44:40
It's already been approved. 00:44:40
What we're looking for is the modification. 00:44:42
To the elevations. 00:44:45
Which is what? 00:44:46
Is really the only action that we can do tonight and so any of the conditions as well I want to make sure we're tying it to. 00:44:47
The elevations and not trying to add any other scope that's beyond what we're asking. 00:44:56
Tonight. 00:45:00
With that being said. 00:45:01
Members of the public, I know that we had a couple questions if you want to come and raise them. 00:45:02
Now is your time. 00:45:06
Just please give us your name too. 00:45:06
Karen Cornelius Villas resident. 00:45:19
It looks like it's going to be beautiful. 00:45:22
No doubt about that. 00:45:24
I do have a question and. 00:45:26
It doesn't have to do with the elevation, sorry, but it's about parking. 00:45:28
And I want to know if the number of parking places. 00:45:31
Are already in the approved plan. 00:45:35
They can't remember and I understand that that's not with them. 00:45:38
But I think before anything is approved, we need to know phase one, phase two, phase three. 00:45:42
What our number of parking places are going to be. 00:45:47
Because no doubt this is going to be a huge draw. 00:45:50
And it does seem like our space over there is limited. 00:45:53
And one more question, since you talked about ADA, I have a question about ADA that is not related to this, but it's important. 00:45:58
I have had several friends contact me since I knew I was coming here. 00:46:05
To add. 00:46:10
For me to ask why there are no 88 parking places? 00:46:11
At the Alabilities Park. 00:46:15
So I would like that answered. 00:46:19
OK. 00:46:22
Thank you. 00:46:23
01 more. 00:46:24
It doesn't have to do with the elevation either. 00:46:25
I just want to know. 00:46:28
How we're paying for this? 00:46:29
And was that already? 00:46:32
That I'm sure that this has already been. 00:46:34
Described and planned and it's already been approved, but I just that's a question I have, so I'd like an answer to it. Thank you. 00:46:38
All right. Thank you. 00:46:43
OK. Are there any other members of the public with questions? 00:46:47
Please. 00:46:50
Jane Pierce from Cascade. 00:46:55
I do have one question about the landscaping that you're going to be putting in. 00:46:57
With the the critical issue of water throughout all of. 00:47:01
Utah. 00:47:06
Just the whole state. 00:47:08
In consideration with that. 00:47:10
Are you going to consider any sort of? 00:47:12
Xeriscaping, which would not use a lot of. 00:47:16
Extra water to maintain whatever type of. 00:47:20
Of landscaping that you do. 00:47:25
Good question. Thank you. 00:47:28
OK. 00:47:32
That's all their application is for. 00:47:36
Well, that's not really my comment. 00:47:39
Terry Ewing, The Villas. 00:47:40
How many months? 00:47:44
A year will these. 00:47:46
Public pools be available. 00:47:47
And is the. 00:47:50
The upper pool. 00:47:53
Part of the spa. 00:47:54
That's a membership, correct? 00:47:56
And is. 00:47:59
That an indoor or outdoor. 00:48:01
Because I assume it would be closed. 00:48:04
The other pools are closed. 00:48:07
And because I've had grandchildren in swim. 00:48:10
Will these pools be available to our schools for swim meets? 00:48:13
Or even swim less. 00:48:18
Swim meets. 00:48:19
And let's see, what else. 00:48:22
Thank you everybody else. 00:48:24
Answered questions SO. 00:48:26
That's mine. 00:48:28
Thanks, Terry. 00:48:29
All right, three out of four. 00:48:31
Are you coming up? 00:48:33
Oh, almost had it. 00:48:36
OK. 00:48:39
All right, with that, we'll go ahead and close the public comment. 00:48:41
I'm gonna allow the applicant to come up to answer these questions that I've recorded. I will say though, some of these are 00:48:45
operating. 00:48:48
Questions. 00:48:52
As they said earlier. 00:48:54
The operations plans hasn't already, hasn't been. 00:48:56
Totally finalized yet? 00:48:59
So I'll give you a little grace. If you don't know the answer is 2 of them. If you do and you're able to answer them, then by all 00:49:01
means please do second. 00:49:05
It really is just an application about. 00:49:09
The. 00:49:12
Elevation change. 00:49:12
And so. 00:49:14
Some of these questions I don't want to spend too much time on because that is not what was agendized tonight. So we need to stick 00:49:15
on what's on the agenda. But that being said, if there is the ability to address them, please by all means do. And then if there's 00:49:21
further questions, I would hope that you would be able to talk outside the meeting to answer any of those. So if you could come up 00:49:26
and just ask really quick. 00:49:31
When it comes to the parking spaces at the All Abilities Park, since that wasn't on the agenda, I would hope that you could 00:49:39
address that after the meeting to answer that. 00:49:43
Question regarding the. 00:49:47
Paying for it. 00:49:50
This right now. 00:49:51
Is a private development, you don't know need to go into those details, but if you could give a little feedback as to how that 00:49:53
budget was established. 00:49:56
Yeah, we're we're paying for it. 00:50:00
There we go. Yeah. 00:50:02
OK. Thank you for your generosity. 00:50:03
OK, we're paying for it. 00:50:06
OK, developer. 00:50:08
All right. As for parking, that's already in the approved plan. 00:50:10
That was already approved in the. 00:50:14
Previous approval. 00:50:16
All right, when it comes to landscaping, if you could. 00:50:18
Speak a little bit on water wise planting and whether that was considered in the landscaping palette. Yes. 00:50:21
Definitely, uh. 00:50:28
Using water wise plants the. 00:50:29
Like kind of Zurich principles. 00:50:33
Are definitely in here. It's actually. 00:50:34
Better for pools that we don't have a lot of leaf. 00:50:37
Litter blowing into the pools and so. 00:50:39
That strategy is definitely. 00:50:41
Planned into the landscape plan. 00:50:43
OK, excellent. 00:50:45
A mix of. 00:50:48
Drought tolerant and native species? Yep. Well, not bringing in any. Yep, and crazy great. 00:50:49
OK. 00:50:53
And then the operations questions. 00:50:55
Once those are more finalized, I imagine you'll be making those public for the community to know. Yeah, the the question about the 00:50:59
upper pool, correct. 00:51:03
That that one in particular, we know we want to have it open year round. 00:51:07
So all of the decking. 00:51:11
Is getting. 00:51:12
Like it'll all be heated. 00:51:13
For snowmelt. 00:51:17
The the pool will be heated. All of the pools will be heated with the district energy system. So we have. 00:51:18
Pretty inexpensive heat. 00:51:24
To heat the pools. 00:51:26
It won't be natural gas that. 00:51:27
You know we're burning. 00:51:29
To heat the pools, it'll be the. 00:51:30
District energy that will come through. 00:51:32
And keep the. 00:51:35
Temperatures up. 00:51:36
All of the other pools though. 00:51:37
Because of the. 00:51:38
They're at the on the main deck. 00:51:40
We will probably close those. 00:51:43
We'll probably be able to extend the season. 00:51:45
Of the pool. 00:51:47
Longer than. 00:51:49
Then pulls around. 00:51:51
Because of the district energy, but. 00:51:52
You know, as the air temperature cools. 00:51:54
It's just not as inviting to be out there but. 00:51:56
We will we'll we'll have the radiant heating in the deck on the upper pool, which will. 00:52:00
Help keep temperatures up. 00:52:05
OK, well, wonderful. 00:52:07
Thank you. It is outdoor. The upper pool is outdoor. OK. 00:52:09
Excellent. Thanks. 00:52:12
OK, so with that, I just wanted to provide a couple comments and then if anyone has other things to say or want to make a motion, 00:52:15
they're welcome to. I just want to commend you. I think this is an incredible. 00:52:21
Development and it just keeps getting better and better. 00:52:27
Everything that we consider. 00:52:29
Great contributions community. 00:52:32
With a lot of generous. 00:52:35
Donations to the city as well. So I appreciate all of that. 00:52:37
And I really appreciate this vision. I think it's great. 00:52:41
So with that or is anyone? 00:52:46
Want to make a motion, Anthony, if you could put the motion language up there? 00:52:49
If anyone wants to just. 00:52:53
Say the sample motion, I just recommend you say. 00:52:55
Conditions as presented. 00:52:58
Rather than read each bullet point. 00:53:00
But anyone want to make one? 00:53:02
The last bullet. 00:53:05
You had a condition on that. Oh, I would just reword it and when you say as presented, you could say and suggested modification 00:53:08
just saying that the. 00:53:12
Circulation plan. 00:53:17
Would remain active until the small building receives its certificate of occupancy. 00:53:19
Can I get the mural? 00:53:29
Part of the elevation. 00:53:31
You can make that motion. I personally would. 00:53:35
Not like to make that a requirement. I think that is a good suggestion to them. I would not feel comfortable requiring it. 00:53:38
Yes, OK. 00:53:45
All right, Brad, I saw you leaning towards the microphone. 00:53:50
All right, OK. I'll go ahead and make a motion to approve the site plan amendment application Plan 26004. 00:53:56
With the conditions as presented with the suggested modification for the last one in the SPA building. 00:54:02
I'll second the motion. 00:54:10
OK, all in favor say aye. 00:54:11
Aye, any opposed? 00:54:13
All right, PESS is unanimously. 00:54:15
Thank you. Thank you. 00:54:17
All right, let's move on. 00:54:19
To back to 5.2 Back to the future conditional use in site plan application for entire auto Body Shop and retail. 00:54:20
Anthony. 00:54:29
Thank you very much. That was a good one. 00:54:39
So I'm going to be presenting on the tire, auto Body Shop and retail. 00:54:41
If I can find my mouse OK, got it. 00:54:49
So just to give you a location context, this is located. 00:54:52
On the corner of. 00:54:55
400 S. 00:54:57
And Geneva? 00:54:59
Geneva Rd. 00:55:00
Which is where my mouse is. 00:55:01
Currently float in. 00:55:05
Is that clear? 00:55:06
So they had a. 00:55:09
You know a. 00:55:11
Approved a couple of months ago. 00:55:13
It has not been recorded yet. 00:55:15
We had a few conditions of approval. 00:55:18
At the time that needed to be corrected, they have done that. 00:55:21
But they've not recorded it yet. That would be required. 00:55:24
Before they can obtain a building permit so. 00:55:28
It's in the works. They have an approved plat. 00:55:32
But. 00:55:34
A subdivision. 00:55:35
But it's not been recorded. 00:55:36
Again. 00:55:39
This area that's, you know, highlighted in the red box. 00:55:40
Is within the original commercial. 00:55:44
Zoning district of our city. 00:55:47
Now the. 00:55:51
Various uses that. 00:55:53
Was, you know, shared with us with this application. 00:55:54
Where? 00:55:58
Vehicle and auto body repairs minor. 00:55:59
As well as a restaurant and retail sales and services. 00:56:04
The restaurant and the retail sales and services are all outrightly permitted in the original commercial zone. 00:56:10
However, the. 00:56:18
Vehicle and auto body repair minor. 00:56:19
Use is one that requires A conditional use. 00:56:23
Permit. 00:56:27
Hence the reason behind. 00:56:29
This. 00:56:31
Application being both a conditional use permit. 00:56:32
And. 00:56:34
A site plan. 00:56:37
So the lot is about 2.4 acres large. 00:56:40
And it has two buildings that have been proposed to go on it. We have building A. 00:56:45
Which has a square footage of about 19,000. 00:56:51
You know. 00:56:55
800 square feet. 00:56:56
They meet all the setbacks. 00:56:59
And also building B. 00:57:01
Was at some point. 00:57:04
Almost 9000 square feet, but because of various uses that we. 00:57:06
Pointed out to them that need it even more parking. 00:57:11
It it made them shrink the building up a little bit to accommodate the more parking. 00:57:15
Due to the various uses that are going in there. 00:57:20
Which made it about 8200 square feet. 00:57:23
Building B as well. 00:57:28
Sits to the north and it. 00:57:29
I will show you it also meets all the required set back. 00:57:32
Now I wanted to point out in this project overview summary that. 00:57:36
You know the architects had here listed as a. 00:57:42
As a warehouse. 00:57:45
In there. 00:57:47
It's not a warehouse. A warehouse is not. 00:57:48
Permitted in the original commercial area. It's essentially it's a tire shop. 00:57:50
Right, and they need storage. 00:57:56
So in there. 00:57:57
Description they. 00:57:59
They named their storage warehouse, but it's not a warehouse, it's storage for the tire shop. 00:58:00
And I also wanted to point out that the minor. 00:58:05
Vehicle. 00:58:08
Body of. 00:58:10
Auto Body Shop and repair. 00:58:12
What makes it minor is everything. 00:58:15
That they do has to be in a contained environment in the. 00:58:18
You know, enclosed environment, so it's going to be in a. 00:58:21
Building with, you know, the garage doors that can be opened and closed to let in cars and out. 00:58:25
So I just wanted to point that out. 00:58:31
The requirement for landscaping is about. 00:58:35
20% of the entire development they provided more than we need. That's 21% if we calculate. 00:58:37
The building height and everything meets. 00:58:45
The requirements as. 00:58:48
As the city has in the code. 00:58:52
So this is the floor plan for building A. 00:58:55
Just to get you oriented. 00:58:58
You would have. 00:59:02
This would be the building. A would be the. 00:59:03
The one with the tire shop, so this on the South side, so this. 00:59:07
Building. 00:59:12
I don't know if you can tell from my cursor, but. 00:59:13
This. 00:59:15
Here would have where my cursor is would be Geneva Rd. 00:59:16
And this here would be where you have the tire shop. 00:59:19
And they would have the other retail stores. 00:59:23
On the other side of it, creating that L. 00:59:25
And building B. 00:59:29
Has this. 00:59:31
Building. 00:59:33
Where you have my cursor would be 400 S. 00:59:34
And Geneva Rd. is going to be on the east side of what is being shown right now. 00:59:38
So altogether, this is how it's expected to look. 00:59:47
With a tire shop here. 00:59:50
Building A and Building B. 00:59:53
Will the restaurant and. 00:59:55
Other retail spaces that. 00:59:57
That are also aligned in 400 S. 01:00:00
Here's a landscape plan. 01:00:04
We worked with them to get in. 01:00:06
You know, water wise. 01:00:08
Plants and make sure that they meet the vineyard. 01:00:11
Vineyard tree manual requirements and they meet it all with their landscaping. 01:00:15
Landscaping. 01:00:21
Plan they. 01:00:23
Over delivered. 01:00:24
You know, for instance, with the trees we only require. 01:00:26
Based on the size and the. 01:00:28
Project coming in, we only required about 30-4 but they provided about 51 trees. 01:00:30
So. 01:00:36
They tried to make this as appealing as possible. 01:00:37
And. 01:00:41
All their selection also did. 01:00:42
Take into consideration some water wise you know. 01:00:45
And zero scape in. 01:00:48
Principles to make it. 01:00:50
You know, save more water than usual. 01:00:51
So here are the elevations. 01:00:54
Oh, I didn't realize I was in this mode. 01:00:56
So here are the elevations for building a. 01:00:58
So to the north. 01:01:02
So this here is going to be. 01:01:04
This one here is going to be the East. 01:01:07
Elevation. 01:01:13
So the maximum height for this entire site is essentially 60 feet. 01:01:15
And. 01:01:19
They were just maxing out at about 30 feet. 01:01:20
Height. 01:01:23
This is the elevation here that shows. 01:01:29
North and South. 01:01:32
The South side is what you know. You can tell it's a garage. 01:01:33
Doors for entry into the tire shop. 01:01:37
And for building. 01:01:46
We've worked with them to get this far actually. 01:01:48
The South elevation is going to be into the interior lot. 01:01:52
However, the north elevation here. 01:01:56
Again, coming back to what Diarrhea had expressed interest in the other project. 01:02:00
They had a blank wall. 01:02:04
With nothing on it because it's the back of. 01:02:06
You know a retail space, right? We worked with them. They got some good windows. They had some. 01:02:08
You know. 01:02:13
Architectural features here with the roof. Just played with it. 01:02:14
They also. 01:02:18
Did express. 01:02:19
Some you know. 01:02:20
Interest in. 01:02:22
Having a mural on the north. 01:02:23
Elevation side because it's right on. 01:02:25
400. 01:02:27
Mural again. 01:02:31
So on 400 S. 01:02:33
And. 01:02:35
They're open to having something fun and inviting. 01:02:36
Because we expressed to them that it is one of the major gateways into the city. 01:02:39
And we cannot just have a back house. 01:02:44
Looking, you know, building which. 01:02:46
Which really essentially. 01:02:50
Based on everything else, they meet their requirements because of the windows and everything that they have provided, but we asked 01:02:53
them to do more. 01:02:56
Because of the gateway nature of that. 01:03:00
Corridor. 01:03:02
And it being. 01:03:03
400 S. 01:03:05
So, umm. 01:03:06
They do have plans to put on a beautiful mural to. 01:03:08
Make it welcome in for people getting into Vineyard through Foreign to South. 01:03:11
So here are the elevations for the east side and the West side. 01:03:16
Of the buildings. 01:03:21
On building B they capped out at about. 01:03:23
You know, less than 30 feet as well. 01:03:26
Though they have a maximum height of about 60 feet. 01:03:28
And here are the conditions of approval that we have here. 01:03:32
Based on the conditional use permit. 01:03:36
I mean, we have the standard pay all the fees that you owe. 01:03:39
However. 01:03:42
The main one that we had to include was. 01:03:44
To. 01:03:47
Ensure that all vehicles. 01:03:49
Vehicle repairs or whatever is done on. 01:03:51
On in the tire shop. 01:03:54
Is entirely within an enclosed space. 01:03:55
Because that is what? 01:03:58
The. 01:03:59
What does what they're applying for the minor? 01:04:01
Shop. 01:04:04
That's one of the things we did not put anything here about the mural because. 01:04:05
It is not. 01:04:11
We can require them to do it. 01:04:13
We just talked them into it and they were excited. 01:04:15
To do it. So thank you for doing that. 01:04:18
Yeah. 01:04:20
So we recommend approval. 01:04:22
Of the site plan and conditional use permit. 01:04:24
As we have. 01:04:27
You know, presented to the Commission. 01:04:28
Please let us know if you have any questions or concerns. 01:04:30
Thank you. We'll get there. One of the things that would help just as we are discussing this. 01:04:33
There's really two items. 01:04:39
That they are seeking approval for. 01:04:41
One is the conditional use permit. 01:04:43
Which is. 01:04:44
The use that they're proposing with the. 01:04:45
Tired Body Shop? 01:04:47
And then the second one is the site plan. 01:04:50
Application now. 01:04:52
Future uses such as the restaurant if they want to be doing things. 01:04:55
That would be above and beyond what the required. 01:04:59
Zoning and stuff are they would come in at a later date. So I don't, I want to make sure we don't get hung up with things like the 01:05:03
restaurant or what kind of retail is going to be going in those other pads. We don't know and we're not asked to know that right 01:05:07
now, yeah. 01:05:11
OK. I wanted to just make that clear. 01:05:16
Great. 01:05:18
Any questions for staff? 01:05:19
Oh, OK, one one other condition that. 01:05:21
We forgot to put in here and thank you so much. 01:05:24
My, you know, my able engineers. 01:05:27
So they also made. 01:05:30
A change here. We worked with them. 01:05:31
Our engineers did all the good work. 01:05:34
I want to go here, so it's very. 01:05:36
So you can relate to it better. 01:05:40
But on 400 S, we didn't want to hold up any kind of traffic, so they. 01:05:42
They agreed to put in a median that blocks. 01:05:48
Them from having anyone. 01:05:51
Turn left into the property, so it's going to be right in right out only. 01:05:53
Way to go. 01:05:57
Which one? This one? 01:05:59
There will be a. 01:06:01
Road but all the way past this so. 01:06:03
You can't come down here. 01:06:06
Into the property. 01:06:07
With the median extent likely from the intersection. 01:06:10
All the way West to. 01:06:13
Vineyard Rd. 01:06:16
Or to the ball fields? Or OK to that first Rd. OK first intersection. Yep. 01:06:17
Great. The one that is. 01:06:22
Kind of straight from the elementary school. 01:06:24
Yeah, that weird intersection thing, essentially down to that intersection. Yeah, I did want to point out too with the mural idea, 01:06:25
just as a side note, this, this lot is kind of depressed. 01:06:31
So as you come up to Geneva, it raises up quite a bit. So it's it's kind of in a. 01:06:36
Hole that's about 6 feet or so. 01:06:41
So like. 01:06:44
This corner here. 01:06:45
Just a thought with that mural. 01:06:47
OK, excellent. 01:06:51
All right, the other one. 01:06:54
While we're asking the questions if. 01:06:56
One of you could just maybe pull up Google Maps. 01:06:58
Just as a reference. 01:07:01
Point for all of it, because. 01:07:02
I'm sure I at least I know. 01:07:04
There's going to be some questions just about the. 01:07:06
Overall neighborhood context there, but Daria, we've interrupted you enough. 01:07:09
So that's those were my 2 questions. The 4th South. 01:07:13
With that in and out, only the right way, right? 01:07:17
To the right. Excuse me. 01:07:22
I'm concerned about. 01:07:24
The alignment of the Vineyard Rd. 01:07:27
With the parking lot. 01:07:29
Is it going to be impacted until we get that taken care of? 01:07:33
It won't be impacted, but we. 01:07:36
We are addressing that as a separate concern with with Oram. 01:07:40
OK, so. 01:07:44
You would put the median in. 01:07:47
For this. 01:07:49
For this project. 01:07:52
Yeah, it would end about there. 01:07:53
That median just apartment, is that what that is? Yeah, just right before Vineyard Rd. Yeah. So that's Vineyard Rd. now and right 01:07:56
about there. And it would reflect what you're seeing within. 01:08:02
The yellow lines correct because you got turn lanes. 01:08:09
Essentially that yellow line right here. 01:08:14
They're just going to replace that yellow line with the concrete barrier. 01:08:16
Oh yeah, Vineyard, maybe that's your question. 01:08:23
Yeah, people can still turn left on from Vineyard Rd. onto Foreman, OK. 01:08:26
OK. Well, because aren't we trying to align the parking lot with Vineyard roads to the elementary can get out. I just want to make 01:08:34
sure that that can still take place. 01:08:38
We're looking at options for that, but yeah, that that would still be able to take place. We're not, we're not going to impact 01:08:42
those those possibilities. 01:08:46
And my other question was about the corner for South that dip. 01:08:49
You know, people have run into that fence and knocked it down and it's kind of dangerous. 01:08:54
And so I'm wondering if they should be putting up some kind of barricade. 01:09:00
Of some sort to protect that corner. 01:09:04
And maybe with a big. 01:09:07
Call Marquis to say it's. 01:09:09
Castro plasma or whatever they want to call it, yeah. 01:09:13
The Castro tire. 01:09:16
So I don't know. 01:09:18
I'm Yeah. 01:09:20
I think upon development. 01:09:22
That will provide enough of a visual or. 01:09:24
Barry, right now, I think you're get a lot the people running up there because. 01:09:26
You're not seeing much. I'm hoping upon development you might see it more. 01:09:30
Into that corner. 01:09:35
If there's if there's development in there. 01:09:39
Zoom out. 01:09:43
Right, but as you. 01:09:46
There's gonna be some trees on that corner, it looks like. 01:09:48
But yeah. 01:09:52
To your point there, there will be a building, so it'll be a visual thing and then there will be some trees along there. Did they 01:09:53
have a signage placement at all? 01:09:57
You know, not at the moment. 01:10:01
So. 01:10:03
I mean, we could. 01:10:04
We could discuss with them on the signage placement as well. 01:10:05
And also lighting in the parking lot. 01:10:10
Is that a requirement? 01:10:12
They will have a lighting plan, photometric plan, so the. 01:10:18
That would be required. 01:10:22
Kind of speaking for planners, but. 01:10:24
That's all tied to building permit, isn't it? 01:10:26
Usually it should be tied to site planner, which is what we're approving today. 01:10:29
I'm sorry. Go ahead. 01:10:38
I'm curious. 01:10:40
Because that. 01:10:42
That 400 N area is all it already is, pretty congested during like school hours and start and end. 01:10:44
Like do we need? 01:10:53
To have an entrance exit point that way? Or can we just keep it on Geneva? 01:10:54
I think with. 01:11:02
With fire safety and like emergency safety access you'd need. 01:11:04
You need 2 points of access. 01:11:08
And then the. 01:11:11
That it would be nice if we could just have both of them on the Geneva side, but. 01:11:12
Because of. 01:11:18
Because of you dot regulations, yeah, you can't fit 2 on on the Geneva side. 01:11:18
So the we specifically worked with UDA on placing the entrance on Geneva. 01:11:24
And then we would also need the one on 400 S for. 01:11:29
Second entrance. I feel like there's got to be like some good signage or something. 01:11:33
You know. 01:11:39
Kids and. 01:11:40
And then business traffic like it could. 01:11:41
Collide and that could. 01:11:45
Totally. I think the right in. 01:11:46
Is awesome. 01:11:49
There, Yeah. 01:11:50
I hear your concern though. 01:11:53
Yeah, we could. We could maybe. 01:11:56
You know, work on something that visually at that 400 S entrance. 01:11:58
We're also working on a project. 01:12:06
At the school intersection, at the at the Lakeside Park in school intersection, we're going to realign that intersection and put a 01:12:09
traffic signal there. 01:12:13
So that can that will help regulate traffic a little bit as well. 01:12:18
And then as we, as we spoke previously about the aligning. 01:12:23
Vineyard Rd. and the parking lot of the school where? 01:12:28
Where we're looking at options on that as well. 01:12:30
And potentially even if once we get that aligned, we were looking at putting another crosswalk at that point. 01:12:34
To break that, break that pedestrian path. 01:12:42
Great. Thanks. 01:12:47
Are there other questions for staff? 01:12:49
OK. 01:12:57
The two-story office space. 01:12:58
Is that it's now going to be retail? 01:13:01
Is that correct? 01:13:04
Who is going to be office? And now it says. 01:13:11
Retail and then basement. 01:13:13
Below and the first one didn't have anything about a basement storage. 01:13:16
I'm just warning. 01:13:20
Does that upstairs have windows? 01:13:22
Two, if it's going to be retail. 01:13:26
It's not going to be retail. From what? 01:13:28
You know, we had presented it will be just an office for the tire shop as well. 01:13:32
Unless I have it mistaken. 01:13:38
Well, on my agenda packet it said it was going to be. 01:13:41
For the upstairs, I can probably circle back because this is something that. 01:13:45
I didn't do the full review on. 01:13:49
The person does not. 01:13:52
You know, work for the city anymore. 01:13:53
So I have to. 01:13:56
You know, I had to work, you know, step in with Rachel. 01:13:57
To get into. 01:14:00
Getting it to this point. 01:14:01
There's something we could talk to them when they come to. 01:14:03
When it gets to building permit. 01:14:07
Stuff and like the trees and you know. 01:14:08
Well, this is the site plan. This is your questions about trees. Now's the time. This is the time. 01:14:11
For that, OK. 01:14:15
It says the ground cover the ground is going to be have crushed rock. 01:14:17
And we're going to have 20 honey locust trees. 01:14:21
Those trees? 01:14:25
Are miss. 01:14:27
They have little tiny leaves and their branches are like twigs. 01:14:30
And if they're going to fall in that crushed rock? 01:14:34
That place is going to be ugly. 01:14:38
As far as? 01:14:41
Cleaning up. 01:14:43
It's going to be hard for them to blow out all those leaves and keep it clean. 01:14:44
The cement when it gets wet. 01:14:48
People are gonna slip. 01:14:51
Good luck. 01:14:55
Not a great treaty for for this. And they are. 01:14:56
They get to be. 01:15:01
40 to 50 feet tall and 30 to 35 feet wide. 01:15:02
So that's going to take up a lot of space and if they're going to be put in the circular. 01:15:07
Concrete thing. 01:15:13
The concrete is going to raise and you're going to have sidewalk problems and. 01:15:15
That's just my thought. 01:15:20
OK. 01:15:28
I'm trying to think OK I have a whole lot of comments but first anyone else? 01:15:31
OK, hearing none members of the public. 01:15:39
That's your time to provide comment on this application, so if you want to head up. 01:15:42
Come and do it now. 01:15:46
OK, there you are. 01:15:50
That's right. 01:15:53
Russ Levins from the Villas. 01:15:55
I want to know where the representatives from Guilford Rand are. 01:15:57
Why aren't they here tonight? 01:16:00
I mean, there could be something real extenuating. 01:16:03
But they aren't here. 01:16:05
That sends a message to me. 01:16:06
And the honey locust tree we had, we had one in our yard. 01:16:08
And what she's talking about is true about those honey locust trees. 01:16:11
So we, we know all about those. Thank you. 01:16:15
OK. 01:16:21
All right, ending that, Anthony, you're about to say something and then? 01:16:24
We I know we have so many more questions. 01:16:28
I I wanted to say that with the tree concern that you're, you just brought up. 01:16:31
Would you want us to have a condition in there for them to? I have an idea. 01:16:36
I'd like to propose on that because I was thinking that's OK. 01:16:41
Yeah, sure you can. 01:16:44
All right, first. 01:16:46
Are, and this is a question for public works and engineering? 01:16:47
Are any of those proposed trees along the right of way, and therefore it would be? 01:16:50
The city's responsibility. 01:16:55
To maintain. 01:16:57
No. OK, so that is important to note. 01:16:59
I don't think it is appropriate. 01:17:03
For us to say. 01:17:05
That tree's not allowed. 01:17:08
If we haven't already provided some kind of tree list where it's permitted. 01:17:09
Tree, can you speak on that? Is it? Yeah. So we did it on the list. 01:17:14
Usually when we go through all the. 01:17:18
All the all the trees and plants provided in our landscaping plants. We look at what we have in a tree manual. 01:17:21
And all this checked the boxes. 01:17:28
So and they happen to be on private property. 01:17:31
What I was going to suggest. 01:17:34
Based on the comment you made, was. 01:17:36
They could work with our. 01:17:38
You know city. 01:17:40
To make some good suggestions because he knows a lot about these. 01:17:41
So here's how. 01:17:45
We're going to make that a condition. 01:17:47
Because originally under that I totally agree they need to work with the arborist and come with. 01:17:49
Up with the landscape plan. 01:17:54
That would make. 01:17:55
Sense, especially with the context of what those trees are doing in the area. 01:17:56
Right now that's just simply a suggestion in order to make it a condition. 01:18:02
I would state that they need. 01:18:06
This would almost become a code enforcement. 01:18:08
Issue. 01:18:12
If they are not maintaining it. 01:18:12
And so. 01:18:14
If we are seeing. 01:18:16
Uplifts in the sidewalks, obviously you've got to fix that. That's an ADA issue. But if we're seeing. 01:18:17
The. 01:18:24
Droppings of these trees getting out of control, and they're not maintaining it. 01:18:25
I want to make sure that means they're in violation of this site plan. 01:18:28
Or of the conditional use permit. 01:18:32
That's going to get them to change. 01:18:34
The species of the tree a lot more quickly. 01:18:36
So that would just be something I would suggest. 01:18:40
So we hold them to it, not just to get it built the right way, but that they're taking care of it in perpetuity. 01:18:43
Beyond that? 01:18:48
And I think we're within. 01:18:50
Our rights of a Commission to add that as a requirement to. 01:18:52
The conditions of approval. 01:18:55
For the site plan and the conditional use permit, more of the site plan, not the conditional use permit. That has nothing to do 01:18:57
with just the site operations, but their site plan. 01:19:01
OK, umm. 01:19:05
Go back to Google Maps. 01:19:08
OK, I'm going to adjust the thing I'm. 01:19:09
Concerned about? 01:19:11
What is going? 01:19:12
I think the people. 01:19:14
Happiest about this development? 01:19:15
Are all the parents of the softball and soccer players who park along that road? 01:19:17
Free parking, absolutely it is right what I want to make sure we do. 01:19:25
Is if they are going to be putting any kind of restrictions. 01:19:33
On their parking spaces. 01:19:37
It is not the city's responsibility to police. 01:19:39
Monitor that. 01:19:43
That is purely a business decision. 01:19:44
For them to do that. 01:19:47
OK. Is there something in the conditional use permit? 01:19:49
Where we can say. 01:19:53
I don't want to tell them that they should reserve spots. 01:19:55
Hopefully they've done their homework and they know that they should and say it's business parking only but. 01:19:58
I don't need to require it. 01:20:03
I just do not want the city to start getting complaints from them. 01:20:04
Saying people are using my parking lot. 01:20:08
Right. Can you think of some? 01:20:10
Kind of. 01:20:14
I don't know if it needs to be a condition, but some kind of notice. 01:20:15
That, uh. 01:20:18
We're not responsible for monitoring their parking lot. 01:20:19
They are. 01:20:22
Does that make sense what I'm saying? 01:20:24
Yeah, that, that makes sense. And I I believe at least to me. 01:20:26
Yeah, and this OK. 01:20:30
Yeah. 01:20:32
Yeah, and it might just be. 01:20:34
Not even a condition, but some note when you grant the conditional use permit. 01:20:36
Saying, uh. 01:20:41
So you know this is your parking lot. Hey, this is nasty Midori Wars director so. 01:20:42
I think. 01:20:48
Our chiefs have the Holden or Rockwell would probably be best. 01:20:50
Pseudo to answer this question directly, SO. 01:20:55
Cities the city does not monitor and enforce. 01:20:58
Parking on private property. 01:21:03
On that So what I would believe. 01:21:05
I mean, they would probably like they could do if it was. 01:21:08
A problem was. 01:21:13
You know, complain to this. 01:21:14
Vineyard City since they are inside Veneer City about. 01:21:16
The parking. 01:21:20
And the park, yeah. 01:21:22
You know the parking caused by the events in the park, which is run by Orem City. 01:21:24
Is oozing into their. 01:21:28
Private parking. 01:21:30
So the city. 01:21:31
Would likely get involved in terms of communication to between two parties. 01:21:32
To help that situation, but we. 01:21:37
But. 01:21:40
Technically, that we By law, we would not. 01:21:41
Enforce parking there. We could put a note in there says that. 01:21:44
You know to as noted that the. 01:21:47
Parking. 01:21:49
And on the property is private parking. 01:21:50
Or is responsibility of the owner. 01:21:54
Just like enforcement, as long as we make it abundantly clear. 01:21:57
Yeah, preferably in writing. Yeah, I think, yeah, what we could do is to get that exact wording on that. Likely just deferred the 01:22:00
Anthony to talk to our Sheriff's Office to ensure that the wording is proper. I'm sure they've dealt with this problem. 01:22:06
OK, excellent. That doesn't need to be a condition of approval for their permit or their site plan at all, but I would just 01:22:13
suggest that staff. 01:22:17
Meet with them as they're building. 01:22:21
To well for their conditional use permit. 01:22:22
Would they need to get approval? 01:22:27
From this body. 01:22:30
Before putting up signs that say. 01:22:32
30 minute parking only or parking for? 01:22:34
Shopping centers only. 01:22:37
No. 01:22:39
There with they'd be within their rights to put any restrictions they want yes, OK, there we go and I would like to add as well 01:22:39
that. 01:22:42
I've been in a few meetings. 01:22:46
You know, that led to this coming to this point and they are aware of this issue of parking in the area. 01:22:48
And we laughed about it. 01:22:54
A couple of you know, settings where. 01:22:56
They they know it's a problem that awaits them. 01:22:58
So great. 01:23:02
Because I would park there. 01:23:04
Immediately, yeah. 01:23:05
I'll look for your Carney. 01:23:08
They did mention that there's going to be a very good Taco spot, so. 01:23:09
You know, get a Taco and just Taco and just park there, you know, to show your receipt. 01:23:13
You bought Taco? 01:23:18
Those parking spots could be a cash cow for them. You know, there's a business opportunity. There we go. Makes it, make it 01:23:21
taxable, right? 01:23:24
Along with the code enforcement. 01:23:35
For cleaning. 01:23:37
Can we? 01:23:41
Make a strong suggestion that they. 01:23:42
Collaborate with the city. 01:23:45
Arborist. Mm-hmm. 01:23:46
But that's part of the condition that. 01:23:48
They are responsible for maintaining it. 01:23:51
But uh. 01:23:54
We're not going to tie them to this species of tree right now. We recommend you meet with. 01:23:56
The arborist to come up with a better plan. 01:24:01
I won't make them change it though. 01:24:05
If they insist on it. 01:24:06
And they want to. 01:24:07
They just weep it every day. All right, go for it. Just gotta know it's high maintenance, yeah. 01:24:08
For sure. 01:24:14
Can we? 01:24:17
Have an answer to Mr. Evans question about why Gilliford Rand is not here? 01:24:17
Tonight to. 01:24:24
Be the applicant to speak. 01:24:25
Anthony's welcome to speak. I know you said earlier there, yeah, they said they were going to be here, but unfortunately no one 01:24:28
sent notice. 01:24:31
I'm not sure why. 01:24:36
Yeah, the owner actually said they were going to be here. 01:24:39
And the architect as well. 01:24:43
But umm. 01:24:45
Again. 01:24:46
Give us a little off. 01:24:47
Yes, it is. 01:24:49
Frankly, to me it's a little off putting. 01:24:51
Not to have them here, but it's not a legal requirement. Yes, it's not. 01:24:54
OK. Thank you. 01:25:00
Do you have any? 01:25:03
Comments. Questions. 01:25:04
Is there any that we missed? 01:25:06
All right, does anyone want to make a motion? 01:25:08
I will make a motion. 01:25:16
That the. 01:25:19
Conditional use. 01:25:22
Request is approved with the conditions that we've stated in the recommendations. 01:25:23
May OK. 01:25:30
You'll approve it along with the conditions as presented. Okay, great. 01:25:34
Any second. 01:25:41
All in favor. 01:25:44
Say aye, aye. 01:25:45
Any opposed? 01:25:46
All right. Passes unanimously. Please go on and share that with the applicant. 01:25:48
All right. Now let's move into our fun work session, our floodplain regulation update and National Flood Insurance Program 01:25:54
compliance. 01:25:57
All right. Thank you very much. 01:26:07
This is part of. 01:26:09
As I'm getting my computer set up, this is part of a public. 01:26:13
I have a public. 01:26:18
Input process that is. 01:26:20
Was requested for us to hold as required by the state. 01:26:23
In regards to a new floodplain regulation up. 01:26:27
Date. 01:26:31
So mine. 01:26:34
Sweet. All right. 01:26:37
So this presentation. 01:26:38
It has been. 01:26:41
Include as part of the agenda package. 01:26:43
Please you can review it through the agenda package or you can look at the screen. 01:26:47
And, umm. 01:26:51
Excuse me if you hear any kind of feedback. That's my. 01:26:53
Hearing aids. 01:26:56
Kind of going off so. 01:26:57
And so before you sort. 01:27:00
Start just to make sure the action that's being requested from us is simply to provide. 01:27:02
Input exactly. There's no formal action taken. Yes, there's the work. So it's a work session, so there is no action required. 01:27:06
And it will be. I'll get into it, but a ordinance will be presented to the City Council. 01:27:14
On June 2nd, scheduled for June 2nd. 01:27:19
Currently. 01:27:22
For the City Council to adopt the OR the ordinance and the ordinance has also been provided. 01:27:23
On the agenda? 01:27:29
Excuse me on this agenda for review as well. 01:27:31
This presentation is part of the public input process, and it will. 01:27:34
Go through the steps of what we're doing, why we're doing it, how we're doing it, and. 01:27:37
The this main points of the ordinance. 01:27:42
So this is prepared but not only by myself but Justine Marshall, our Floodplain Manager. CFM means certified Floodplain manager, a 01:27:44
very title that a test that is hard to get hard to. 01:27:51
Pass and definitely tell them. Well deserved. 01:27:58
So the purpose of this is. 01:28:02
The purpose of this public input and also for the. 01:28:04
For the update. 01:28:08
On in this presentation is. Bottom line is for. 01:28:11
Vineyard City and all other cities who are going through the same process. Excuse me? 01:28:15
To stay compliant with the FEMA, the federal Federal Emergency Management Agency. 01:28:20
And the NFL. 01:28:26
I see the NFIP which is a national flood insurance program. 01:28:28
Keeps the city eligible. 01:28:33
For flood insurance. 01:28:34
Put federal disaster funding. 01:28:35
Specifically, it's for FEMA. 01:28:38
As well as grants, which is through FEMA and other resources. 01:28:39
Bottom line, this is to protect public safety. 01:28:43
Property and also infrastructure. 01:28:47
This initiative is being led by the. 01:28:49
Utah Department of Public Safety, Division of Emergency Management. 01:28:52
Who spent a lot of time gathering information, all that a lot of data and so forth. 01:28:56
To put together the proposed updates. 01:29:00
On this. 01:29:03
So what does floodplain management, just in a nutshell, is this helps regulate? 01:29:05
Floods, flood and flood zones in short. 01:29:11
The main purposes of it is to help reduce flood risks. 01:29:15
This is specifically flood risk. 01:29:19
Not caused by broken sprinklers or broken. 01:29:21
Faucets and inside but floods. 01:29:25
Due to outside. 01:29:27
Causes. 01:29:30
Specifically. 01:29:31
Wetlands or. 01:29:33
Buys water such as Utah like. 01:29:35
And of course, trying to help manage long term growth to ensure the as people as. 01:29:38
Areas grow as develop, and so forth at. 01:29:44
Public safety is the main focus. 01:29:47
And loss of life, property damage, and of course, public costs. 01:29:50
A lot of these pictures that are being shown. 01:29:55
Are available on the. 01:29:58
Utah's uh. 01:30:00
On the Save Utah's website for. 01:30:01
Other departments of public safety. 01:30:04
So what records this update? 01:30:07
Then a new Utah late all. 01:30:10
Hazard analysis specifically for vineyard the new Utah lake flood hazard analysis. 01:30:12
It's been it's util. 01:30:17
This analysis was led by the state of. 01:30:19
Department of Public Safety. 01:30:23
It used updated FEMA data and modeling. 01:30:25
And the main things it does is it. 01:30:29
Has changed inclusive. 01:30:31
Changes to. 01:30:33
Lake levels. 01:30:34
Wave action, so when? 01:30:35
We predominantly see it around here. 01:30:38
When with high winds and especially in the winter time when we had the stacking of the ice. 01:30:40
Slates that's. 01:30:45
They're very easy, realistic. 01:30:47
View what wave actions are. 01:30:49
And of course, flood elevations. 01:30:51
How high the flood wires go. 01:30:53
This year we're not expecting. 01:30:56
High elevations of. 01:30:58
Utah Lake, but in previous years. 01:30:59
I believe it was 2023. We've had quite a. 01:31:02
High elevations on util light on Utah Lake. What this does is evaluates and. 01:31:05
Right here is quite simply the 100 year flood and then the 500 year flood. 01:31:11
What that says is a chance of a high level flood is. 01:31:15
Once every 100 years or once every 500 years? 01:31:20
Doesn't mean that. 01:31:23
If it happens once, it won't happen again. 01:31:24
100 years from now or 500 years from now, I. 01:31:27
My previous city I I came from Florida. 01:31:31
I've experienced 100 year flood. 01:31:34
Probably 3 times in one year. 01:31:36
It's not fun. 01:31:38
But that's. 01:31:40
Pretty much saying this is a this is a chance of it happening 1%. 01:31:41
Happening three times in one year. 1% was for the. 01:31:46
Pretty far on the on the right, there's a historical flooding and flooding disaster declarations in Utah and this has a 01:31:49
historical. 01:31:53
Kind of picture showing that. 01:31:58
What ultimately the goal is that if a declarations. 01:32:02
As a flood decoration is done, it has as minimal damage as possible. 01:32:09
Typically if it's a state level declaration. 01:32:14
It reaches a threshold of X amount of dollars of damage. 01:32:17
And if we can minimize that decoration. 01:32:21
By doing all the by doing these. 01:32:25
Measures up front. 01:32:28
It's better for the community. 01:32:29
Embarrass for the state. 01:32:31
Moving on Vineyard specific updates. 01:32:33
We've, you know, I would hope that everyone who lives in Vineyard is obvious to them. 01:32:36
There is. We have a large body right next to us. 01:32:42
You know those comes with a. 01:32:47
Pros and Cons The pros is this very beautiful lake for you know it provides towards a quality of life etc. The Collins is you know 01:32:49
obviously when it comes to flood it is a. 01:32:54
Source of flooding. 01:33:00
So the flood impact shoreline properties, infrastructure specifically, we do have lift stations that are long. 01:33:02
Within vineyards. So we do. 01:33:09
Maintain Ensure that flooding does not impact our lift stations. 01:33:11
Which? 01:33:16
Conveys a sore to. 01:33:17
The area away from the public. 01:33:19
And of course, public access, specifically roads. 01:33:21
What is the city required to do the city, and not to spend your city but all cities, is required to adopt updated floodplain 01:33:25
regulations. 01:33:29
Make sure that they're regulating development and flood areas. 01:33:33
To ensure structures are protected specifically. 01:33:36
And of course. 01:33:40
We do that through ensuring that we're issuing permits specifically for. 01:33:42
Development in flood plains. 01:33:47
So specific permits. 01:33:49
Addressing developments that would be in a floodplain. 01:33:51
Because we need to consider public safety, development impacts and, of course, compliance. 01:33:54
Here is a snapshot of the. 01:33:59
Proposed flood map. 01:34:01
Specifically for vineyards. 01:34:03
This is 2026. 01:34:06
Preliminary map. 01:34:08
There's a link. 01:34:09
On the bottom I actually I do have the website open on my computer I can. 01:34:10
I'm happy. 01:34:14
Now or afterwards? 01:34:15
Or even after the. 01:34:16
Planning Commission is over. 01:34:18
To walk anyone through. 01:34:20
Through the map itself. 01:34:22
But kind of just a snapshot, the flood hazards and vineyards are. 01:34:24
The shoreline along Utah Lake along the West. 01:34:30
Not specifically in vineyards, but does affect the vineyards. Linden Marina. 01:34:33
As well as. 01:34:38
Portions of the lakeside power plant and a small portion kind of tearing. 01:34:39
On the Northside, where the. 01:34:44
Yard would be. 01:34:46
Those are the main areas of for. 01:34:47
Where flood hazards. 01:34:50
Have been identified. 01:34:52
Everything else, the Blues is where. 01:34:54
The identification are. 01:34:58
But those are technically outside. 01:35:00
So what people are able to do is. 01:35:04
Go to this map and kind of zoom into their areas. 01:35:08
And kind of see. 01:35:11
FEMA also has a website. 01:35:13
Where you can actually where you can enter into enter an address. 01:35:15
And kind of see your address specifically. 01:35:18
On the when I'm support, yeah. And this is not just for Utah specific, this is nationwide. 01:35:21
As well. 01:35:27
So jumping into what the proposed ordinance, so make sure it was draft. It doesn't take any effect until the City Council 01:35:29
officially adopts it. We anticipate June. 01:35:34
As the number one thing it does is it aligns. 01:35:40
Vener City with the National Flood Insurance Program. 01:35:45
This is important to the public. 01:35:49
And of course been your city is a help allows. 01:35:50
To maintain the eligibility for federally backed flood insurance. 01:35:53
So if you if. 01:35:57
Your homeowners are able to get flood insurance. 01:35:59
Even if they don't live specifically in a flood zone. 01:36:03
If you live in a floodplain zone. 01:36:06
Not so much here in Utah, but. 01:36:08
I dealt with this quite a bit in Florida. 01:36:11
You know mortgage companies require. 01:36:14
The flood insurance to be to to. 01:36:17
To have flood insurance. 01:36:20
And then of course and I've had there's instances where. 01:36:21
Insurance companies kind of go into the whole. 01:36:26
How did the water damage enter the house in Utah? We do have those basements for there's not, but how water interests of the 01:36:28
house. 01:36:32
Is important. 01:36:36
And these are federally backed insurance programs. 01:36:38
It adopts FEMA flood maps. 01:36:40
Which is which takes effect. 01:36:43
June 23rd, 2026. 01:36:45
As the basis for the floodplain management, So what? So what this ordinance does is. 01:36:47
Says that we're utilizing these maps, which is. 01:36:51
On the previous slide, the proposed map on the on the GIS website. 01:36:54
Which? 01:36:58
Was put together by the state of Utah. 01:37:00
Using the FEMA data. 01:37:02
In order to use that as a basis to. 01:37:05
How we drive our. 01:37:09
Regulations. 01:37:11
And what areas have to abide to those? 01:37:13
Flood regulations. 01:37:16
And of course it requires A floodplain development permits for any development inside a flood. 01:37:18
Hazard Area. 01:37:22
That is something that. 01:37:24
Patrick and myself and the planners as well as the building department handle on our side. 01:37:26
Bottom line, it takes make sure that's a. Structures within these areas are. 01:37:32
Equal to. 01:37:37
Their finished floor, so the Congress. So when you walk into the livable areas, the concrete elevation. 01:37:38
Is at least one foot above the base flood elevation. 01:37:44
They're designed. 01:37:49
To resist flood forces as well. 01:37:50
Residential as well as commercial. 01:37:53
And they're utilizing certain specific. 01:37:56
Materials. Utilities. 01:38:00
And that the impacts that. 01:38:02
Excuse me that when they do the development that it's not changing. 01:38:05
The floodplain. 01:38:09
Zones that you know what they do does not impact. 01:38:11
Their neighbor. 01:38:14
Like put and this is. 01:38:15
A lot of this, a lot of this is common. 01:38:18
Would be considered common sense. 01:38:20
You know you don't want to impact your neighbor by pushing. 01:38:24
While causing increasing. 01:38:26
The floodplain on their. 01:38:29
On theirs, that actually has civil implications. 01:38:31
You know, if you're building inside an area with that. 01:38:35
I could be prone to flooding. 01:38:38
The course you want to use. 01:38:40
Proper materials, putting proper utilities. 01:38:42
And of course you want the structure to. 01:38:45
Resist. 01:38:47
Being damaged from flooding. 01:38:49
And then the elevation. Of course you don't want the water to go inside, however this codifies it specifically. 01:38:50
And I can say in Florida where? 01:38:57
Flooding is more prevalent. 01:38:59
The 12 inches above the. 01:39:01
Base flood elevation is very common. 01:39:03
Some areas have it 18 inches, some areas have 24 inches. 01:39:06
24 inches is pretty excessive. 01:39:10
18 inches and Florida is kind of the norm, but again we're talking about areas that. 01:39:12
See 100 year flood. 01:39:17
Every other year, apparently. 01:39:18
On that. 01:39:21
So the additional thing it does. 01:39:24
Is on the Ministry of Enforcement. This actually goes a couple steps above. Is it? 01:39:27
I identify as a public works director or designee. 01:39:33
As a floodplain administrator. 01:39:36
In essence, what they do, what it says, is that. 01:39:38
This that there's an entity that actually makes the call. 01:39:41
On when it comes to flat plane decisions. 01:39:45
My last city in Florida. 01:39:48
We actually have flop doesn't a. 01:39:50
A person that was a floodplain manager, it was a specific role. 01:39:53
For the. 01:39:57
Purpose, you know, don't want to get too much, get us through the planners. But she was she, she was a planner. 01:39:58
And was a very good floodplain manager and she was also the assistant. 01:40:05
Emergency Manager. 01:40:09
So she was very in tune to a lot of that stuff, but. 01:40:10
At the end of the day. 01:40:14
The final decision making. 01:40:16
What it fell on to me as a public works director in Florida. 01:40:18
The city is responsible for reviewing development. 01:40:23
The development proposals. 01:40:26
Maintaining records. 01:40:28
And they're coordinating with FEMA state agencies. 01:40:30
The first and third one really doesn't change. The third, the one, the second one. 01:40:33
Is really just kind of. 01:40:37
Making sure that it's codified, that it puts the responsibilities on the city. 01:40:40
Luckily and gratefully, we have an awesome building department. 01:40:45
Team that is very meticulous when it comes to record keeping. So we don't foresee any additional. 01:40:49
In essence, additional work on the city. 01:40:56
But that was also put some additional. 01:40:58
Tools into our toolbox. 01:41:01
Allows us to have stopped work orders. 01:41:03
As well as fines for $1000 per day in jail time for violations of. 01:41:06
Public Works is not planning on building in jail. 01:41:11
In our facility, so we are. 01:41:13
Just looking we would just really really be looking at working with code enforcement for fines, the stop work orders. 01:41:16
On this before, what we would do is we would use public health as our. 01:41:21
Mechanism. 01:41:26
For a stop work order or work with our building official. 01:41:26
This ordinance. 01:41:31
Which is a model from this state. Which is the model. We use the model from the state. 01:41:33
Would actually allow. 01:41:38
A stop work order from the Public Works director specifically. 01:41:39
For this reason. 01:41:43
On that. 01:41:45
Talking about the public process, where there's a public process period, we've posted on our website, but it's from May 1st to May 01:41:48
31st. 01:41:52
And kind of outlying. 01:41:57
We're having our public here our. 01:42:00
Public input period. 01:42:02
Through multiple means. 01:42:05
One of the means is through the Planning Commission where we're presenting. 01:42:07
The public can submit comments, attend meetings which is this one, speak in person which if anyone would like to. 01:42:10
But they all can also provide input. 01:42:16
Online, Uh. 01:42:18
Or by e-mail or physically and in the mail. 01:42:19
On that. 01:42:24
We have a link on our. 01:42:25
On a social media where they can do. 01:42:27
I'll do that as well. 01:42:29
So this is what we've gotten from what we refer from the public so far. This is across Utah. This is not specifically for 01:42:32
Vineyard. 01:42:35
But here are some questions. 01:42:39
People have said the map is hard to use. 01:42:42
Some I would sometimes agree with. 01:42:44
But they've made it there's, they've taken that and tried making it. 01:42:47
Love it, easier to use. 01:42:52
The website, the link that we have. 01:42:54
Is the Utah County. 01:42:56
Did a great job with making a much friendly user map. 01:42:58
This the. 01:43:02
Map as you know. 01:43:04
I was, hopefully they're not listening to me right now, but it's kind of par with the federal government. 01:43:05
They make it hard to use. 01:43:10
If it's not hard, impossible to use, then it's not the federal government's map. 01:43:12
But Detox County has a great floodplain interactive map. 01:43:16
On that SO. 01:43:20
And a lot of people get this question, we get this question, I want to say a lot, but we do get this questions that do I have to 01:43:22
get flood insurance? 01:43:26
If you ever call our office and ask us that question, we will never say yes. We will never say no, but we say that. 01:43:30
We will always tell people that it is. 01:43:36
You're right to get the flood insurance even if you're told not to. 01:43:38
If you're told you have to. 01:43:41
Then obviously there might be a reason as to why. 01:43:43
The city does not require flood insurance. 01:43:46
However, lenders are typically the ones that do. 01:43:50
Required if you own your home free and clear. 01:43:52
And you choose not to get flood insurance. That's a risk. 01:43:56
That people take. 01:43:58
Depending on what's going on. 01:44:00
And where you're located. 01:44:02
Which map should I use? 01:44:04
The updated map which will be effective June 23rd. 01:44:06
A20002026. 01:44:10
Is the map. Is the map to use. 01:44:13
Why is this changing? 01:44:15
Bottom line, there's been updated data that's been made available from from FEMA. 01:44:17
And this these maps and this process is taking that into. 01:44:23
It's always good to get to use. 01:44:28
It's always good to use more updated information as modeling gets more advanced. 01:44:31
Bottom line, we are not increasing risk, we're just better understanding it. So that's what the map says. 01:44:36
And then the last one is, can the city fix this? 01:44:42
He asked the engineers. We always say we can always. We can fix anything as long as you were given enough resources and allowed 01:44:46
to. 01:44:49
Very much. 01:44:53
Demo or anything? Anything we're allowed to but. 01:44:54
Bottom line, the regulations are based on risk, not just infrastructure. 01:44:57
We do have, we do put a lot of infrastructure into the ground, storm drains. 01:45:01
Infrastructure, we have pumps specifically around our lift stations and so forth. 01:45:05
To ensure that we're protecting our critical infrastructure. 01:45:10
And but there are kind of acceptable, I would hate to say acceptable risks as well. 01:45:14
One, I would say, and this is not so much here in Utah, but for example, Florida. 01:45:20
A good example the 100 with when 100 year flood comes along. 01:45:26
The part of the flooding, acceptable flooding, is the streets. 01:45:30
We have. 01:45:35
Max. So the crown of the road and. 01:45:36
Is where the 100 year flood will go up to. 01:45:39
Which allows. 01:45:41
Emergency vehicles to navigate the streets. 01:45:43
However. 01:45:45
You know, the streets do have water and it's. 01:45:46
And that is just comes down to. 01:45:48
Kind of a the cost benefit of what if you try to build the streets so high up that. 01:45:51
They're above the 100 year flood. 01:45:56
Then, of course, the costs have to go somewhere. 01:45:58
On that, that's just an example, example of how we've tried to balance a safety. 01:46:01
And, of course, fiscal responsibility. 01:46:06
What we do is we ensure that. 01:46:08
Homes, property and lives are protected. 01:46:11
Was #1. 01:46:14
So what does this mean in vineyards? Future developments must meet these requirements, so. 01:46:18
That we evaluate what we've already talked about Alpine. 01:46:23
You would ask, why wouldn't they? 01:46:27
I would ask the same question. Why wouldn't they either? 01:46:29
But this is. This codifies it. 01:46:31
The impact of the public. 01:46:34
This changes the flood zones and vineyards. There's minimal changes specifically, however I always encourage people to look at the 01:46:35
maps themselves. 01:46:39
To get more details. 01:46:42
New building requirements such as being the finished floor of the house or the buildings should be 12 inches above the 100 year 01:46:44
flood. 01:46:47
Like the flood? 01:46:52
But that's only for new building permits or if there's major renovations. Those are typically. 01:46:56
The threshold is done typically through the building official and what that threshold would be if there had to be any kind of 01:47:02
modifications to a building. 01:47:06
Again, the question comes down to is why wouldn't someone want to build their building? 01:47:10
In a way that protects their building. 01:47:13
This disqualifies it. 01:47:16
Potential insurance impacts. 01:47:17
I my opinion is I don't see many. 01:47:20
If any in Vineyard City specifically. 01:47:23
Other cities such as Provost City. 01:47:25
Maybe Saratoga Springs and so forth may be seeing a lot more of the changes impacts. We we went through something similar with the 01:47:28
updating on maps for. 01:47:32
Fire hazards. 01:47:36
Where there was a lot of APACS, changes of impacts for fire hazards. 01:47:38
For structures. 01:47:43
Along like areas where the foothills like Springville etc. Bigger city. 01:47:45
Is a great location where. 01:47:50
We're kind of in the. 01:47:52
Perfect hub where? 01:47:53
We are kind of protected by a lot of these things. 01:47:54
Bottom line, does not affect. Not all properties are affected, but. 01:47:57
This is the public input to ensure that people have the ability to see this. 01:48:01
So debate takeaways is the ordinance is required. 01:48:07
Clients tied to FEMA. 01:48:10
Map updates. 01:48:13
What it does is it protects infrastructure investments. 01:48:15
It also allows us to have continued, allows the community to have continued access. 01:48:19
To flood insurance and federal funding eligibility. 01:48:25
Provides clear regulatory regulation. 01:48:28
Framework. 01:48:32
For developments and flood prone areas. 01:48:33
AS shifts the risk mitigation to upfront design and construction. 01:48:35
Rather than post disaster costs. 01:48:41
This kind of this follows. This is important falls into the. 01:48:43
Have the people of the builders have the original. 01:48:47
Developers etc. 01:48:50
Pay for items that. 01:48:51
Or. 01:48:54
The construction and designs. 01:48:56
To make things safer versus try to do it in the rear. 01:48:58
After the fact. 01:49:01
I've been in situations on this city. 01:49:02
Fortunately, but where? 01:49:05
All developments and so forth were the cities bearing the cost to. 01:49:07
Bear the R2. 01:49:12
Pay an infrastructure to protect the home and such. 01:49:14
And it is. 01:49:17
A heart is a hard cost to to bear. 01:49:19
Regardless, and that's where we have grants. 01:49:22
However, we like to use the grab money. 01:49:25
Towards other things versus? 01:49:26
Something that could have been prevented. 01:49:29
On that. 01:49:31
And then the adoption, excuse me, it keeps the city in good standing with the National Flood Insurance Program we always want to 01:49:32
be. 01:49:36
Have good standing with insurance companies. 01:49:39
Now usually that's usually a no win scenario whenever you fight against insurance companies I think. 01:49:42
But keeps us a good standing also helps allow having these ordinance helps. 01:49:48
Keep insurance cost for a flood. 01:49:53
Insurance costs. 01:49:55
Lower. 01:49:56
As well, we don't see it here in Utah as much, but. 01:49:57
Now for them. 01:50:01
Another example for example, but there's great like you know we have. 01:50:03
CRS score. You know the numbers the scores were. 01:50:06
Do where the cities try to do things to help. 01:50:09
Lower the score. 01:50:12
Down because it does affect a. 01:50:13
Citywide. 01:50:15
On that. 01:50:16
And that establishes clear and enforceable development standards. 01:50:19
That is the end of my presentation. Do you have any questions? 01:50:23
Thank you so much for that Nasim. 01:50:27
Just a quick clarification with it. 01:50:31
This has been. 01:50:34
Reviewed by the city attorney and it already. 01:50:35
Complies with Allstate and federal requirements. 01:50:39
So I have. 01:50:43
And forgive me for not having the answer right away, I know that this. 01:50:45
Draft that we've. 01:50:49
We provide that we have. 01:50:51
Has gone to the state so that we use the state ordinance. So the state provided. 01:50:53
It's their standard. 01:50:59
Yeah, the state, in essence provides the standards of the ordinance they gave us. 01:51:00
Want the base standard or a very strict standard? We went with the base standard. 01:51:04
On it then, fortunately enough for us, it was fill in the blank. 01:51:10
OK, we're like we like fill in the blank type standards I. 01:51:14
Especially when it comes to floodplain, but to but to answer that question specifically and to the point, we will make sure that 01:51:18
the attorney prior to go State Council has had the chance to provide an opinion on it. 01:51:24
OK, second question, is this an update to an existing? 01:51:31
Floodplain ordinance or is this brand spanking new? 01:51:35
So the cities of flood ordinance. 01:51:38
I would say has had a flood codes and regulations however. 01:51:41
This would be more of a major overhaul. 01:51:46
In terms of, in terms of that and also if it was brand new. 01:51:50
In essence, yes, and also. 01:51:53
Puts the cities on a baseline. 01:51:54
This is where it's going to be. 01:51:57
Versus having cities out on their own. 01:51:59
Well, that's great. So you're not going to get any builders or contractors saying, oh, vineyards hard to deal with. 01:52:01
We're doing the same thing that ORM and Provo and Linda everyone else is doing. 01:52:06
So we we also attended the Today, we actually attended the Home Builders Association government Paris meeting. 01:52:10
Along with our building official. 01:52:18
Where builders? 01:52:20
Vocalizer. 01:52:24
Grievances. 01:52:25
Towards cities regulations, and this has not been one of them. 01:52:26
OK, wonderful. 01:52:29
Are there any other questions? 01:52:32
I just want to make sure the adoption of this ordinance. 01:52:34
Become in effect on June 2nd when the City Council adopts it. So the adoption of the ordinance, they'll adopt the ordinance on 01:52:37
June 2nd. 01:52:41
When it's presented but the maps are not effective till June 23rd. Well. 01:52:45
June 23rd will technically be the where is where it will be effective. 01:52:51
Well, it's an ordinance, so there's two readings. So the first one would be. 01:52:56
June 2nd, yes went there and then the second ones ratify. It will be the second meeting in June. 01:53:00
OK. So yeah, so you correct me. Thank you, Sir. 01:53:04
I got I'm going to make sure I go back and update my staff report for the City Council. But yes, Sir. 01:53:08
OK. 01:53:14
Great. Any others? 01:53:15
Is there any community engagement or education or like? 01:53:17
Training of sorts. 01:53:22
With this at all? Like, yeah. 01:53:24
Yeah, OK. 01:53:26
Yes, that's a FEMA website. I'm just curious like how we get the word out if in case of an emergency. I know that like locally 01:53:27
they're groups and that's a good question. And so in terms of this ordinance, this is specifically talking about new construction 01:53:33
and new developments. 01:53:39
Specifically. 01:53:46
To probably. 01:53:48
So. 01:53:50
Excuse me, the. 01:53:52
Public input on social media and also. 01:53:55
With this planning. 01:53:57
Is in essence the limit on this because it's really kind of affecting developers and builders. 01:53:59
Specific. 01:54:04
The in order to do some public engagement for. 01:54:06
What to do if you're affected by flood and those type of emergencies scenarios? 01:54:09
That's the type of public engagement of course we get to have for with the community. 01:54:15
But that's not what this is specifically talking about. Yeah. OK. But yeah. And, and FEMA does have actually Utah, the state of 01:54:21
Utah's Public Department of Public Safety, it does have. 01:54:26
Very good resources on. 01:54:32
What to do if you happen to be in a flood? 01:54:34
And such. 01:54:37
And yeah, and they do provide good training. They provide trainings to. 01:54:38
Government agencies on. 01:54:43
How to assist and then, but more importantly. 01:54:45
How to assist on the FEMA recovery portion of it? 01:54:48
FEMA. 01:54:52
The documentation, they're very particular about documentation. 01:54:54
And they they do provide those trainings on how to help. 01:54:57
Homeowners through the documentation process. 01:55:00
But I'll pass it. We'll pass along the information in regards to. 01:55:03
Gain word out in regards to emergency response and management for the public. 01:55:09
In a general sense. 01:55:13
Don't think too much about it, all right? 01:55:19
Any other comments? 01:55:22
All right. Thank you. I know that wasn't a whole lot of input back to you, but hopefully that gave you enough to just modify a 01:55:24
couple things before then presenting to the City Council. I think getting out ahead in the presentation about in the event of a 01:55:29
flood. 01:55:33
Just saying hey. 01:55:37
Even though that's not necessarily addressed in the ordinance. 01:55:39
Be aware that. 01:55:42
These are the. 01:55:43
Potential responses for it as well, and when we. 01:55:44
Take it to City Council. 01:55:48
Present that I'll talk to our just a slide at the beginning of the presentation. OK, that says. 01:55:53
This is not an emergency response. 01:55:58
Ordinance, so you know. 01:56:01
There are methods for that. And now let's talk about the really fun legalese that's great, gets excited about. That's great. Thank 01:56:02
you. 01:56:06
Great. 01:56:10
Well, thank you so much. 01:56:11
All right, we'll close that item. 01:56:13
And move on to staff and Commission reports staff, is there anything worth reporting on that we haven't already addressed? 01:56:14
All right, hearing none. Commission, is there anything worth reporting on? 01:56:23
We aren't required to with the work session. What I would recommend members of the public if you do have any comments or 01:56:30
suggestions. 01:56:34
For. 01:56:38
Regarding the floodplain. 01:56:39
Naseem did offer. 01:56:41
Afterward to walk through websites and any of that, highly recommend that you do that. 01:56:43
Come. Thank you. 01:56:48
OK, seeing no other reports, we are going to go ahead and adjourn until our next meeting. 01:56:51
I imagine well there. 01:56:56
Be one later in May. 01:56:58
Or likely June. Do we know yet? 01:57:00
Or TBD. 01:57:02
TBD. 01:57:04
Wonderful. 01:57:05
OK. Thank you, everyone. 01:57:06
Have a good night. Thank you. 01:57:08
Good night. 01:57:09
It takes too many. 01:57:19
So resolutions are the data of ordinances into the first meeting and then it follows up the next meeting. 01:57:24
It has to be the regular. 01:57:47
So it would be. 01:57:51
All righty. 01:57:59
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Oh, are we recording? 00:06:32
OK, welcome. Welcome one and all to the City of Vineyard Planning Commission meeting. It's May 6, 2026 at 7:00 PM. 00:06:34
Well, call this meeting to order and start with an invocation with our new member Daharia. 00:06:43
Thanks. 00:06:49
Our Father in heaven, we are grateful for this day and. 00:06:52
And the opportunity we have. 00:06:55
Planning Commission to. 00:06:57
Further, the development of. 00:06:59
Our beautiful city Vineyard. 00:07:01
We pray that they'll help us. 00:07:04
Placed before us. 00:07:08
Help make decisions that will benefit our city. 00:07:10
And our citizens. 00:07:13
Pray that bless us to be. 00:07:16
And all that we do and so. 00:07:19
Thank you for praying. 00:07:22
Amen. Thank you. 00:07:26
I pledge allegiance to the flag. 00:07:33
Of the United States of America. 00:07:36
Thank you very much for which it stands. 00:07:38
One nation under God. 00:07:41
Individual liberty and justice for all. 00:07:43
Great. Thank you so much. 00:07:48
All right, item number 2. 00:07:53
Are our presentations, recognitions, awards, proclamations? Anthony, do we have anything to? 00:07:55
Proclaim or. 00:08:02
Present under this. 00:08:03
Today. 00:08:04
No, please. All right. Seeing as we recognize nothing, we'll move on to Item 3, which will be our public comments. 00:08:06
Are there any members in the audience, anyone in the audience who would like to provide public comment for anything not on the 00:08:14
agenda today? 00:08:18
Now is your time. 00:08:22
All right, seeing none, we will close item number 3. 00:08:25
And move on to our consent items. There are no items on the consent calendar. 00:08:30
Which moves us. 00:08:35
Immediately into item number 5 and we'll move to 5.1. 00:08:36
Which is the election of a chair and vice chair. 00:08:41
For the 2026. 00:08:44
Calendar year, Anthony, could you give us just a little? 00:08:46
Presentation on what that means. 00:08:50
Yes. Thank you very much, Chair, I will. 00:08:53
Thank you for this opportunity, but I'd like to just mention a few things here Every year, according to the bylaws of the Planning 00:08:56
Commission. 00:09:01
You are required to vote. 00:09:05
To nominate. 00:09:07
And elect. 00:09:08
A chair and a vice chair. 00:09:11
For the Planning Commission. 00:09:13
Unfortunately, we haven't had a lot of meetings this year. 00:09:15
And it had to be pushed all the way through to May. But it's better late than never. So we're here and it's a chance for you as 00:09:18
planning commissioners. 00:09:23
Seen all the? 00:09:29
Good and hard work that you know you yourselves have been doing. 00:09:30
Nominate each other. 00:09:34
For yourself. 00:09:36
For either a chair. 00:09:38
Or a vice chair. 00:09:40
And then you. 00:09:41
You know you'd have a vote. 00:09:42
Where you choose. 00:09:44
Whatever nomination. 00:09:45
That you make. 00:09:47
If you think the old. 00:09:50
The chair and vice chair also did such a great job. You can just hold, you know, keep them in place. 00:09:51
And have a unanimous vote on that and keep moving. So these are so many options that you can. 00:09:57
Decide to go with for this item. 00:10:04
For today. 00:10:08
So at this point, I'll turn it over to the. 00:10:09
Acting chair, who happens to be the chair for last year's Planning Commission. 00:10:12
And that would be Nathan Steele to keep going with this. 00:10:16
Cool, thanks. A quick question before we open up for conversation is everyone. 00:10:19
Present here a. 00:10:25
Full member. 00:10:26
Of the Commission or are there any alternates? 00:10:28
Today. 00:10:31
We have some alternates and I can pull them up. 00:10:31
OK. Are the alternates eligible to be chair or vice chair or only full members? Only full members, OK. 00:10:33
But they can nominate. 00:10:38
OK, excellent. 00:10:39
Does anyone know off the top of their head if they are an alternate? I think Brad is. I think the rest of us are. 00:10:41
Full right? 00:10:46
There's a few that we're missing. Chris isn't here. Jordan isn't here. And remind us. 00:10:51
Vice Chair. 00:10:55
Who is? 00:10:57
The current vice chair. 00:10:58
I believe. Is it you? That's David Pierce. Yeah, that's what I thought. 00:11:02
OK. All right. 00:11:06
So with that, any members of the Commission if you'd like to ask questions? 00:11:09
Or make nominations. Now is your time. 00:11:13
I have a question. I have a question. 00:11:19
Does the chair of the Planning Commission go to the DRC meetings? 00:11:22
Supposed to either go or nominate someone to. 00:11:27
Appoint someone on the Commission to represent the Chair. 00:11:31
What? What to nominate? 00:11:37
I would like to nominate. 00:11:45
To continue to be. 00:11:47
Board chair. 00:11:49
2nd that. 00:11:52
OK. 00:11:53
All right. Should we do chair and then we'll do Vice chair? 00:11:55
Yes. 00:11:59
Any other nominations? 00:12:00
At all. 00:12:02
Your schedule still permits you to. 00:12:07
To serve, OK, Yeah, as long as these meetings being moved to 7:00. 00:12:10
Really helps with that. So yeah, OK. 00:12:15
Very good. OK. 00:12:19
All right, so. 00:12:21
Take that nomination and the second. 00:12:23
We'll go ahead and do a vote for the chair and then we'll do the vice chair. So all in favor of. 00:12:25
Me continuing on his chair. 00:12:29
Aye. 00:12:31
Any opposed? 00:12:33
All right, that passes. 00:12:35
And then for Vice Chair? 00:12:37
I'd like to nominate David Pierce. 00:12:42
I'll second that. 00:12:45
All right. Any other nominations? 00:12:48
All right. 00:12:53
All in favor for David Pierce, serving as vice chair. 00:12:55
Aye aye. Any opposed? 00:12:58
There we go. Passes unanimously. 00:13:01
We'll run it back for another year. 00:13:03
OK, that's the official ruling. 00:13:05
OK, uh. 00:13:07
Excellent. Is that all you need for 5.1? 00:13:09
Yes, that's all we need. Great. We'll move on to 5.2, which is a conditional use in site plan application. 00:13:12
For Tire Auto Body Shop and retail at 430 S Geneva Rd. Regional Commercial zone. 00:13:18
Yes. 00:13:27
I I've got it. 00:13:28
OK, OK. 00:13:30
So. 00:13:32
We don't have the applicant here at the at the moment, but. 00:13:33
I would go through this whole presentation OK, so I'm sorry to interrupt. 00:13:37
If we. 00:13:41
Were they planning on attending? 00:13:43
If so, we may be able to move it. 00:13:45
To later and do 5.3 now, Would that be preferable? 00:13:47
Yeah, we could do that. 00:13:52
They were planning on attending, but because they're not here, I'm not sure. So we could just move it to the next one if you guys 00:13:53
are OK addressing yours now, OK. 00:13:57
No formal action for that because it's all within business item number 5. So we are going to. 00:14:03
Table 5.2. 00:14:07
Until later in the meeting. 00:14:09
And we'll address 5.3 right now. 00:14:10
Which is the site plan amendment for Utah City Wellness Center and Resort Pool Phase 2? 00:14:13
Yes. 00:14:17
Thank you very much. Thanks for staying on your toes while we shift like that. 00:14:18
No problem. 00:14:22
Thank you. 00:14:22
So. 00:14:23
I'll be presented on the site plan amendment for the Utah City Wellness Center. 00:14:25
Phase 2. 00:14:30
Just to give you a location context it is located on. 00:14:31
I don't know if you can see this, but it's 250 W. 00:14:36
1000. 00:14:40
25 N. 00:14:41
Here in Utah City. 00:14:44
Right to the. 00:14:46
If you can tell from my cursor, it's right on the. 00:14:48
Each side of the vineyard connector. 00:14:51
And looking at the entire promenade or. 00:14:55
Green Line. 00:14:59
It's located within this section right here. 00:15:00
So it is. 00:15:07
In the Town Center. 00:15:09
Is it in the Town Center zoning? 00:15:11
Of. 00:15:13
Code and the use that they're. 00:15:15
Requested for. I mean, they're looking to amend. 00:15:18
Just to give you a. 00:15:21
Some context is permitted within this aquatic. 00:15:23
The aquatic facility is permitted within the Lake Promenade Town Center zone. 00:15:27
For our code. 00:15:32
Now just to give you some background and overview as well. 00:15:36
This was approved. 00:15:40
This entire project was approved back in 2023 December. 00:15:42
With a Wellness Center, a spa building, a restaurant. 00:15:48
A pool building and. 00:15:52
They are in this amendment. 00:15:54
Look into. 00:15:57
Update or change the. 00:15:59
Entire elevation, so it looks a little different from what? 00:16:01
I mean a lot different from what was initially. 00:16:05
Proved. 00:16:07
So this does not show as much but. 00:16:11
This is the site plan that was previously approved. 00:16:16
This is. 00:16:19
Currently, what they're looking to change, and this is the phase two-part of it. 00:16:21
Which is on the on the South side of way. 00:16:26
The main pool. 00:16:29
It's going to be on the South side of the. 00:16:31
Of the. 00:16:33
The lot. 00:16:34
And this I don't know if you can follow my cursor. 00:16:35
But on this? 00:16:38
North and East side is the. 00:16:39
Spa building and restaurant. 00:16:42
So nothing actually changed with the landscaping. It was approved the other time they went above and beyond what is required. 00:16:50
In the space. 00:16:57
Actually, in this space, according to our code, they only required about 16 trees. 00:16:59
But they're providing well over 50 trees in this space, so. 00:17:03
I just thought I'd point that out. 00:17:07
And previous elevations that were approved. 00:17:09
Back then. 00:17:13
Looked like this. 00:17:14
Build size. 00:17:18
And you know, capacity. Everything still stays the same, just architecturally. 00:17:21
Things have changed. 00:17:26
And they wanted to look this way instead. 00:17:27
I'm just going to go through. 00:17:34
The elevations and if you have any questions you can just stop me rather than just. 00:17:36
Trying to. 00:17:40
Explain every architectural change in here. 00:17:41
Yeah, we'll let you finish your presentation first, OK. 00:17:44
One thing that. 00:17:48
You know, with this new change, we. 00:17:49
We discussed with the applicant was the North facade of the. 00:17:51
Of this elevation change that they wanted to make. 00:17:58
Had a much blank wall. 00:18:01
And we wanted to. 00:18:03
Make sure that it provides a more pedestrian, pedestrian friendly approach. 00:18:05
So we talked about potentially breaking it up with some landscaping in which they agreed with. So that's how it's going to look 00:18:12
like some IV's and some trees. 00:18:17
Just to make it look more appealing and not look like a blank wall. 00:18:22
On the on the. 00:18:26
Pool building side of the building. 00:18:27
And this is how. 00:18:32
What they have also. 00:18:33
Updated the restaurant to look like. 00:18:35
Now, having said that, the conditions. 00:18:38
Of approval based on the review and every. 00:18:41
Thing that we've had to go through. 00:18:44
Was that they pay the outstanding fees and you know, these are standard. 00:18:46
Conditions that we have. 00:18:52
The applicant. 00:18:53
Is also required as I mentioned earlier. 00:18:55
To have the northern facade of the. 00:18:57
Pull meet the agreed upon landscaping to provide a more pedestrian friendly experience and limit the blank wall. 00:18:59
So they agreed to again. 00:19:07
Include these trees and other landscaping elements to make it look. 00:19:09
Better and. 00:19:14
You know, more human scale as well. 00:19:16
There's another part of it that I have not spoken about, but this condition is born out of a meeting that we had this morning, 00:19:20
which is the applicant should provide a safe. 00:19:25
Park in and circulation plan while the spar building is being. 00:19:30
Completed or finished up? I want to go up here to explain a few things. 00:19:34
So when you look at this site plan that's being. 00:19:39
You know, uh. 00:19:42
Shown here. 00:19:43
The applicant has. 00:19:44
A phase in plan for this. 00:19:47
You know, development itself where they look into. 00:19:49
Get the phase two which is the main. 00:19:52
Down here. 00:19:55
This looks better. 00:19:56
With the the main pool. 00:19:57
Completed by next summer. 00:19:59
But. 00:20:02
Completed and open to the public. 00:20:03
By next summer. 00:20:05
At the same time. 00:20:07
They will be working on. 00:20:09
The you know, the spa building and the restaurant area. 00:20:11
So we came up with that condition. 00:20:15
To have better fencing. 00:20:19
And, you know, a good circulation plan. 00:20:21
And also parking plan. 00:20:24
So that while they're doing all of. 00:20:26
The, you know, finishing. 00:20:28
Finished work in this other part of the building. 00:20:30
People can still use the main pool safely. 00:20:34
And not have any issues since it may still be an active construction site. 00:20:37
On the North End and east side of the site. 00:20:43
So that's the reasoning behind. 00:20:47
The. 00:20:50
The last condition that was included. 00:20:53
Would need to have all of those at least. 00:20:56
Discussed and agreed upon. 00:20:59
Before. 00:21:01
They are or. 00:21:03
They have that as part of the conditions before it gets to the point where they need to start operating the main pool. 00:21:04
So that's about it. 00:21:10
Staff recommends approval of this site plan amendment. 00:21:13
I essentially. 00:21:19
Nothing changed other than how. 00:21:20
That's going to look on the, you know, the various facades, that's the elevations. 00:21:22
And. 00:21:27
Here's a sample motion. 00:21:31
For this. 00:21:32
Application. Umm. 00:21:34
We also have the applicant here, so if there are any questions that. 00:21:36
We have concern in this presentation. 00:21:41
We can. 00:21:43
Ask them as well to clarify. 00:21:46
Thank you. 00:21:48
Great. Thank you so much. Anthony, before we hear from the applicant or before we ask questions of the applicant, are there any 00:21:49
questions for Anthony? 00:21:52
From anyone on the Commission. 00:21:56
You're. 00:22:00
Yeah. All right. 00:22:01
Jeff Yeah, OK, great. 00:22:03
The 4th question so the pool will be completed. 00:22:06
About the summer of. 00:22:09
2027. 00:22:11
And in use. 00:22:13
And there will be construction. 00:22:15
Continuing on the north and east sides, yes. 00:22:17
According to what was shared by the. 00:22:24
Applicant. 00:22:26
Whoever makes the motion can ultimately make this decision. I would just recommend the nitpicky in me on the last bullet. Rather 00:22:29
than saying while the spa building is finished up, I'll just say that the. 00:22:35
Parking circulation plan will. 00:22:41
In effect until the SPA building receives its certificate of occupancy. Just so it has a better definition. 00:22:43
To it. That would be my only suggestion. 00:22:49
Are there any other questions for Anthony? 00:22:53
Maybe. Do we have accessibility measures for people with wheelchairs accounted for? 00:22:59
So I'd like to. 00:23:06
Rams and ask the applicant to move up front. 00:23:08
Introduce yourself. We all don't know you so. 00:23:11
OK. Before you, that was a great question. Anyone else? 00:23:14
All right, so. 00:23:18
There we go. Come up. 00:23:20
You can address that. 00:23:22
As well as just an overall little brief explanation if you could. 00:23:23
Just summarize really quickly what are the changes. 00:23:27
Yeah, because this isn't a new site plan or a new landscape plan. 00:23:30
It's adjusting something that was already approved. 00:23:34
With just a couple changes. So if you could just summarize that, that'd be great. 00:23:37
Yep, that's right, Bronson Tatten. 00:23:40
With Utah City. 00:23:42
This is BJ. 00:23:43
Also with Utah City. 00:23:45
He's our director of architecture. 00:23:49
Architectural. 00:23:51
Related questions. 00:23:52
We're gonna have BJ come up. 00:23:54
But so as far as parking goes. 00:23:56
We do have a parking plan that surrounds the site. 00:23:59
We do have. 00:24:02
Accessible stalls just down the street. 00:24:05
From here. 00:24:07
There's also. 00:24:10
Future parking plan to the north of the block that we haven't built yet but will likely be coming online. 00:24:12
Let's see, 13 C is. 00:24:20
Next fall. 00:24:22
Yeah. So there will be additional. 00:24:26
Accessible stalls up in the block to the north. 00:24:30
So some of the changes that we. 00:24:35
Why we're coming today is just what Anthony was saying. We. 00:24:38
Have changed the exterior elevations so. 00:24:41
In May of last year, we came in with the phase one and these are the elevations for the phase one building. So the one on the left 00:24:44
is the restroom building. 00:24:49
And like pool equipment. 00:24:54
Rooms. 00:24:57
And then this building on the right hand side. 00:24:58
This is the concessions building. 00:25:01
And then in our. 00:25:03
If you can, go to the other kind of the perspective renderings. 00:25:05
We were initially thinking this building would be more of like a mountain, modern. 00:25:11
Architectural style. 00:25:15
And so that's what you're seeing in here. So this was. 00:25:16
That would have been two years ago. 00:25:20
And we have. 00:25:22
Progressed in like our architectural styles within Utah City and so. 00:25:23
You see now the elevations are changing to a more traditional like. 00:25:28
Georgian architectural style. 00:25:32
That's more fitting with. 00:25:35
Some of the other buildings that will be coming online in Utah City. 00:25:38
So the footprints and the. 00:25:42
The square footages of the building stayed the same although the restaurant. 00:25:45
Was conceptualized at 2 storeys. 00:25:49
We have a portion of two-story above the restaurant but. 00:25:52
Anthony, maybe you can go to the rest the restaurant. 00:25:57
Elevation. 00:26:01
So on the bottom left elevation, that's like when you're coming down Broad Street, that's the elevation that you see. So it's the 00:26:03
east elevation. 00:26:07
The portion to the right. 00:26:12
Is part of the. 00:26:14
The restroom or restaurant? 00:26:16
Building umm. 00:26:18
It's a double volume to stories. 00:26:19
And then the bulk of the restaurant is that single story off to the left. 00:26:21
So we did. 00:26:26
The restaurant. 00:26:27
Did shrink a little bit in square footage but the the parking. 00:26:28
We've just kept the same parking. And to clarify, the restaurant shrinking is just removing. 00:26:32
Portions of the second story and. 00:26:38
Yeah. And I should say that this. 00:26:40
This. 00:26:42
This version of the restaurant. 00:26:44
We do. 00:26:46
We do plan on having that roof. 00:26:47
Um, accessible. 00:26:51
So you can come up into the second story piece of the restaurant and. 00:26:52
And be out on the roof. 00:26:56
Outdoor seating on the. 00:27:00
Yeah, wonderful. 00:27:01
OK. So that's kind of one of the changes as far as the square footage goes, but the rest of the Wellness? 00:27:03
And. 00:27:09
The upper pool and the equipment, it's all still just the same. 00:27:11
Great. All right. Thank you. Are there any questions for the applicant? 00:27:16
Daria, I'm looking at you. 00:27:20
I have several OK. 00:27:22
I read through the agenda packet and I was reading everything. 00:27:26
So I have several questions if that's OK with everyone. 00:27:31
I I was looking at First off, I was looking under the general demolition notes. 00:27:37
And I'm wondering where all this demolition material is going to end up. 00:27:41
As far as soil goes. 00:27:46
Whenever we dig a footing. 00:27:50
Will excavate and any of that soil goes onto adjacent blocks for fill in. 00:27:51
Future. 00:27:57
Projects. 00:27:58
No, none of the. 00:28:01
None of the soil that we're excavating in the area now is. 00:28:04
Is impacted like environmentally impacted That cleanup happened? 00:28:07
Before we bought the property. 00:28:11
And like before 2019. 00:28:13
So you're just moving it around in the in the whole Utah City area, so. 00:28:15
Part of this. 00:28:20
Area. 00:28:21
Which? 00:28:23
A lot of it has already been removed, but there was an old. 00:28:24
**** like a big berm. 00:28:26
It was built through this section. 00:28:29
That has all been. 00:28:31
Moved away. 00:28:32
Like if you look further north up toward HCI, you'll still see some of the **** that's up further up there. 00:28:33
But yeah, this. 00:28:40
This one's all been cleared. 00:28:41
So now the excavation that's happening is all. 00:28:43
Underneath. 00:28:47
That impacted soil that has already been. 00:28:48
Has already left. 00:28:50
OK, good. Thank you. 00:28:51
OK. 00:28:53
Yes, I'm going to ask you about the. 00:28:57
Wellness Center, the South elevation. 00:29:00
It's kind of all blank. 00:29:03
Aren't we supposed to have like 30% of blazing? 00:29:05
On those on those blank buildings, aren't we supposed to have 30%? 00:29:08
Windows on all buildings. 00:29:13
That's a good question. So when we're internal facing that? 00:29:15
That requirement is for the streets. 00:29:18
But where we're internal, there will be in. What you don't see in here is there's cabanas. 00:29:21
That are embedded into that facade. 00:29:25
And we probably should have shown them, but there's. 00:29:28
I believe there's six cabanas. 00:29:30
That fit into that facade. 00:29:32
There will be like. 00:29:35
How would you explain that? 00:29:39
It just openings in that building facade. 00:29:41
And cabanas will be in there with. 00:29:43
Couches like sofas. 00:29:45
And then behind that wall is all of the pool equipment. 00:29:47
So that's why there aren't any windows is because you'd be looking at. 00:29:50
The pool equipment, OK, but I'm wondering. 00:29:53
Can we not? 00:29:56
Do some type of textural glazing. 00:29:57
You know. 00:30:01
Going to think I'm silly but. 00:30:02
OK, I am not a graphic artist. 00:30:07
But this is from my shower. 00:30:09
Door. Did you do that with some crayon? 00:30:12
Yeah, you know you can make it. 00:30:17
Opaque. 00:30:20
Different colors. 00:30:21
And you can frame it and make it. 00:30:23
Something. 00:30:27
A visual, something visual to look at so that that's not a bad. 00:30:28
Consideration. 00:30:37
Or else I think I think. 00:30:38
Concrete. You know how concrete. 00:30:41
That underpasses 20 the 2002 Olympics, and they have the concrete. 00:30:44
Beautiful. 00:30:49
Things like that. 00:30:50
Could you do something like that other than just? 00:30:51
Tree or Bush? 00:30:55
And cheers. 00:30:57
Can you can you do something like that to? 00:30:59
Yeah, the the fin, yeah. 00:31:05
Well, the. 00:31:08
We can definitely do texture. 00:31:11
On that concrete and with the cabanas, the cabanas will act like. 00:31:13
I wanted to. 00:31:19
Are we talking about the north? The North? 00:31:21
Yeah, OK. 00:31:23
Wall. The blank wall, yeah. 00:31:25
And so that's the one wall on this building. 00:31:26
That. 00:31:29
This building is so large and has so many different. 00:31:31
Needs to it. We've got to have. 00:31:34
One place to be able to deal with trash and all these different things so they. 00:31:36
The pool the there's the secondary pool in the plan. They both look at ground level. The 2nd pool in the main area. 00:31:40
Is elevated. 00:31:47
So we. 00:31:48
That pool hangs down into that space and that's where we have our shipping or receiving our trash, all these different things, so. 00:31:49
And we want to do exactly what you're saying, I mean. 00:31:56
Sometimes these elevations. 00:31:59
We put these together to get these approvals and we're in the midst of finishing up this building and trying to articulate the 00:32:01
zone. 00:32:04
We want to do exactly what you're talking about. We've started with. 00:32:07
Landscaping. 00:32:10
We're trying to be very true to the style of the building, the detailing of it. I mean, you saw the cupola and some different 00:32:12
things. We're trying to put a lot of that detail in here. 00:32:16
This area we're still working through a little bit in terms of all that articulation because. 00:32:21
Just like you. 00:32:26
It means a tremendous amount to us to make this whole development. 00:32:27
Authentic. 00:32:31
And so we do want to put those textures in the concrete. We're looking at, do we put columns on that wall? Do we put different? 00:32:33
You know, we've talked about embedded artwork in that wall. 00:32:40
So we're trying to do that, but we want to find just that, right? 00:32:43
Kind of way to do that that's authentic to the building, not just. 00:32:47
We did it. 00:32:51
To match this other thing right I. 00:32:51
If I could just clarify, are we talking about the facade that? 00:32:54
You have a red ring up of right now. 00:32:57
That's the only. 00:32:59
Facade, yes, so OK. 00:33:00
Can I make a comment? 00:33:04
So this discussion began with the South. 00:33:06
And I wanted to be sure that you're clear with that because the South end. 00:33:11
Where that doesn't face the right, it doesn't, yeah, it doesn't face the right away. So yeah. So there are no restricted to any of 00:33:15
these. 00:33:18
But the north side? 00:33:22
Is just what? 00:33:23
We have here that we had discussed earlier. 00:33:24
And you know, BJ just went over. 00:33:26
You know, to make that work or look better. 00:33:31
We talked about some landscaping to break it in a little bit, right? Because the previous version was more blank than it was just 00:33:34
modification. The purpose of this is to approve the modifications which adds a bit more dynamic texture and all texture to it. 00:33:41
OK, that sounds good. 00:33:51
And then I think I just have one more. 00:33:54
Oh, how many? 00:33:58
How many seats are in that restaurant? 00:34:00
We don't have yet. 00:34:02
We don't know. It's more than anything, it's a shell at this point. We don't have the exact restaurant tour. 00:34:04
The type of restaurant, OK. 00:34:10
I was just trying to address that with parking, making sure that we do have adequate parking for that. 00:34:12
We do plan to ballet that restaurant. 00:34:18
You had valet, that restaurant. 00:34:20
I mean, that's the intent. There will be we, we do have parking for the restaurant, but. 00:34:22
There will be a valet option that you could pull up and someone will take both cards. Yeah. 00:34:28
When earlier when? 00:34:33
Martina was asking about accessibility. 00:34:36
How far you said? 00:34:39
It's not too far. How far is accessible during that construction phase? 00:34:40
Just just for her information. 00:34:45
That's a good point too, because I wanted to clarify a little bit on the construction phasing. 00:34:49
So I think what? 00:34:53
I want to put words in. 00:34:56
Anthony's mouth. But we have a phase one. 00:34:57
Phase one is supposed to open. 00:35:00
Like in December. 00:35:02
That's not a great time to open pools. 00:35:03
And so we probably won't actually open that phase one should finish. 00:35:05
While. 00:35:09
We're still building Phase 2. 00:35:10
Phase Two's main pool. 00:35:13
And Wellness building should all open in August. 00:35:15
That's what construction schedules we're seeing. 00:35:18
From CERC. 00:35:22
But. 00:35:23
I think that's. 00:35:26
From in. 00:35:28
BJ and I were talking Phase 2 will all be done together so we won't open the main pool without the Wellness. 00:35:30
Also being open. 00:35:35
But phase one. 00:35:37
Like come May of next year. 00:35:38
When pools traditionally open, we will probably open. 00:35:40
The kids pool and splash pad. 00:35:44
But we will make sure that the circulation so. 00:35:47
When? 00:35:50
When the main facility opens. 00:35:51
All of this parking along the north that you can see in this site plan. 00:35:53
Will all be available and. 00:35:57
When we open phase one. 00:35:59
We'll make sure that we understand. 00:36:01
What's required for phase one? I think there's a table in the last approval that. 00:36:02
Articulated that. 00:36:07
And we'll make sure that that parking. 00:36:08
Chris and Pat and Patty. 00:36:11
Building officials will. 00:36:13
Make sure that that parking is available and open when. 00:36:14
We open. 00:36:17
Certain get CFO. 00:36:19
Buildings, yeah, I think it's important to note that. 00:36:20
No certificates of occupancy are granted. 00:36:23
For commercial buildings like this, unless it's already shown that they're following. 00:36:27
The Americans with Disability Act. 00:36:31
Yep, correct. 00:36:33
So there's accessible parking here. 00:36:36
The additional parking that we'll have. 00:36:39
A little bit later is on the block to the north. 00:36:41
And then there's also. 00:36:44
Built accessible parking just down the Green Line. 00:36:45
Over by the Racquet Club. 00:36:49
So you'll have plenty of ADA parking available. 00:36:51
Yep, Yep. 00:36:54
OK, just one more. 00:37:05
Psych. 00:37:07
You named one of the buildings. 00:37:14
Oh yeah, yeah. 00:37:15
So were you planning on? 00:37:17
Painting Monet's water with lilies on that mural. 00:37:20
We should. We should. 00:37:24
We should. 00:37:26
You know, that might be a little. 00:37:29
Strange, but I think that would be a pretty cool idea. 00:37:32
I mean you've you've named it a larager array. 00:37:36
You might as well do it. 00:37:39
We should do that. 00:37:41
We need a little more culture and Vineyard. I think that's great. 00:37:42
No class up the joint. 00:37:46
Thank you, Dorian. Do you want to know where that's at? 00:37:48
You want us to point that out? 00:37:52
Well, sure, you can find it out. 00:37:53
So it's kind of hard to. 00:37:56
Does it look better on here? 00:37:58
Yeah, yes. 00:38:00
I'll go ahead. 00:38:03
OK, so. 00:38:05
You see the upper pool? 00:38:07
The one that's on the top of the page. 00:38:08
Just to the right, there's kind of a blue. 00:38:10
Long rectangle. 00:38:13
That is like a glass roof. 00:38:14
And the space underneath that is like layers, mineral baths and spas. And that's the urangery. It's glass all the way around on 00:38:16
the sides. 00:38:21
A large skylight. Underneath it is a large mineral tub. Hot mineral tub. A cold tub. 00:38:26
And then you go inside. 00:38:33
One layer further into the building and. 00:38:35
That's the whole bathroom. 00:38:37
Bathhouse component. 00:38:38
Saunas snow showers. 00:38:39
Is that all available for the community or is that just for restaurants? 00:38:43
It's all for. It will have different levels that for everybody. 00:38:47
Yeah, I think you should sort of virally. 00:38:51
By level student memberships. 00:38:53
At the beginning. 00:38:55
It's, I don't think it's been fully worked out, but yeah, it would be like what we compare it to is like Orem Rec Center. If 00:38:57
you're in Orem or Vineyard City resident you get. 00:39:01
A discounted rate, but the general public pays a little more. 00:39:06
So there would be some, there would be a tier. 00:39:10
System. 00:39:12
That's what we've talked about in the. 00:39:14
In the police agreement with the city. 00:39:18
OK, let's. 00:39:21
We're going to do some public comments later. 00:39:23
Let's just adjust these right now and then I'll open up questions. 00:39:25
To the public, thanks. 00:39:28
OK, Brad Graydon. 00:39:32
Well, just a comment. This is really exciting. 00:39:36
I think we here in Vineyard love. 00:39:41
Pools. 00:39:43
Up until this point, maybe there's only HOA pools. We've had a couple. 00:39:46
Cool pools for. 00:39:51
A few years My son recently visited the new. 00:39:53
Pool by the overpass. 00:39:56
In that HOA, yeah, the orchards. 00:40:00
And I believe also holdaway fields has an HOA. 00:40:02
And they're planning on a pool. 00:40:06
You guys are going to be open. 00:40:09
Next year. 00:40:11
What? 00:40:13
You know, so far these have all been HOA pools. 00:40:14
And, you know, limited access. 00:40:17
But as far as? 00:40:21
Access. 00:40:23
To these pools. 00:40:24
Yeah, fees, who's who owns them, who can go there? 00:40:26
What can you say about that? 00:40:31
Yeah, yeah. So the ownership structure is? 00:40:33
We will build this. We'll deed it to the city. 00:40:36
The city will own. The ground will own. 00:40:40
Everything. 00:40:43
And then we have a lease agreement to lease it back and. 00:40:44
Operate it for the city. 00:40:47
And in that agreement. 00:40:49
We talk about like. 00:40:51
I don't think it articulates exactly what the pricing will be. 00:40:55
Because we. 00:40:58
We we haven't hired the operator that will actually. 00:40:58
Run it. We've been talking to a lot of people. 00:41:02
They will be the ones that will establish the pricing. 00:41:04
But. 00:41:10
The the agreement that we have is that it will not be. 00:41:10
For profit. 00:41:13
Run Facility. 00:41:16
It'll any profits that roll off of it. 00:41:18
Rolled back into maintaining the facility. So that's. 00:41:22
That's. 00:41:25
Kind of where the pricing will be set, we need to understand what it's going to cost to run it. 00:41:26
The fees and everything, we'll need to cover that. 00:41:31
And then anything that comes above that will. 00:41:34
Will get put back. 00:41:36
Into the into the facility and in the in the green Line. 00:41:40
OK, very cool. You're yeah, you're keeping it reasonable, not Lagoon. 00:41:43
Pricing. 00:41:47
Yeah. And so I guess to be clear too, this is not an HOA pool. 00:41:48
This is a. 00:41:52
This is. 00:41:54
More like a city pool. 00:41:55
That the city is hiring someone else to come and. 00:41:57
Run it for them. 00:42:00
Kids from Salt Lake and. 00:42:01
Show up and swim. 00:42:02
Yep, they pay the membership fees. 00:42:04
Or if there's, you know, a day, use that's. 00:42:07
A day use fee. You can just show up and come in. 00:42:10
You'll you'll pay an entrance fee. 00:42:15
So yeah. 00:42:19
Cool. OK. 00:42:20
There any other questions? 00:42:22
I see one forming. 00:42:26
In your mind, no. 00:42:28
Yeah, just going back to the accessible stalls for like away from the beginning on. 00:42:30
I'm just nervous that there might not be enough. 00:42:36
Or if the distance might be. 00:42:40
Too much. 00:42:42
For someone in a wheelchair. 00:42:43
To access comfortably. 00:42:45
So how many were you thinking in this phase one and how many in the Phase 2? 00:42:51
Yeah, I'm not sure off the top of my head. 00:42:56
I don't recall off top of my head the number. 00:42:59
But I would say to the point made earlier, we do comply with ADA, we comply with all the building codes. It's in our best interest 00:43:02
as well to make sure that we provide the required number amount. 00:43:08
They're within that close proximity. 00:43:14
The ADA requires that they're approximate. 00:43:16
Relationship to the front entries of the building and things of that nature. So. 00:43:19
I mean as we are. 00:43:23
Working through both phases, we will make sure that we can apply, I mean it's as much for our benefit and the communities benefit 00:43:24
and all those things as well so. 00:43:29
There's many things that you can do to find areas to value engineers. Those are not those areas. 00:43:33
OK, perfect. Thank you. 00:43:39
That's reassuring. I'm just. 00:43:41
I've seen jobs done that are. 00:43:43
They're illogical. 00:43:47
As somebody who's in a wheelchair. 00:43:49
I totally agree and ultimately. 00:43:52
I think with everything we're trying to do, just as a side kind of social note. 00:43:54
We're trying to prove to the community that we're serious about doing this right, doing it something that's. 00:43:58
Way above par for the community and. 00:44:03
For perpetuity. 00:44:06
So it's our goal. 00:44:07
Really appreciate it. Thank you. 00:44:10
All right. 00:44:13
I want to hear from the public. If there is any public comment or questions, what we'll do is ask the questions, we'll record them 00:44:16
down. 00:44:20
Lend the public comment time and then allow either staff or the applicant to address those. 00:44:24
One of the things I wanted to just make sure. 00:44:28
We are staying within focus on what? 00:44:31
The. 00:44:34
Action we are considering this evening is This is not an approval of the entire. 00:44:35
Plan, uh. 00:44:40
It's already been approved. 00:44:40
What we're looking for is the modification. 00:44:42
To the elevations. 00:44:45
Which is what? 00:44:46
Is really the only action that we can do tonight and so any of the conditions as well I want to make sure we're tying it to. 00:44:47
The elevations and not trying to add any other scope that's beyond what we're asking. 00:44:56
Tonight. 00:45:00
With that being said. 00:45:01
Members of the public, I know that we had a couple questions if you want to come and raise them. 00:45:02
Now is your time. 00:45:06
Just please give us your name too. 00:45:06
Karen Cornelius Villas resident. 00:45:19
It looks like it's going to be beautiful. 00:45:22
No doubt about that. 00:45:24
I do have a question and. 00:45:26
It doesn't have to do with the elevation, sorry, but it's about parking. 00:45:28
And I want to know if the number of parking places. 00:45:31
Are already in the approved plan. 00:45:35
They can't remember and I understand that that's not with them. 00:45:38
But I think before anything is approved, we need to know phase one, phase two, phase three. 00:45:42
What our number of parking places are going to be. 00:45:47
Because no doubt this is going to be a huge draw. 00:45:50
And it does seem like our space over there is limited. 00:45:53
And one more question, since you talked about ADA, I have a question about ADA that is not related to this, but it's important. 00:45:58
I have had several friends contact me since I knew I was coming here. 00:46:05
To add. 00:46:10
For me to ask why there are no 88 parking places? 00:46:11
At the Alabilities Park. 00:46:15
So I would like that answered. 00:46:19
OK. 00:46:22
Thank you. 00:46:23
01 more. 00:46:24
It doesn't have to do with the elevation either. 00:46:25
I just want to know. 00:46:28
How we're paying for this? 00:46:29
And was that already? 00:46:32
That I'm sure that this has already been. 00:46:34
Described and planned and it's already been approved, but I just that's a question I have, so I'd like an answer to it. Thank you. 00:46:38
All right. Thank you. 00:46:43
OK. Are there any other members of the public with questions? 00:46:47
Please. 00:46:50
Jane Pierce from Cascade. 00:46:55
I do have one question about the landscaping that you're going to be putting in. 00:46:57
With the the critical issue of water throughout all of. 00:47:01
Utah. 00:47:06
Just the whole state. 00:47:08
In consideration with that. 00:47:10
Are you going to consider any sort of? 00:47:12
Xeriscaping, which would not use a lot of. 00:47:16
Extra water to maintain whatever type of. 00:47:20
Of landscaping that you do. 00:47:25
Good question. Thank you. 00:47:28
OK. 00:47:32
That's all their application is for. 00:47:36
Well, that's not really my comment. 00:47:39
Terry Ewing, The Villas. 00:47:40
How many months? 00:47:44
A year will these. 00:47:46
Public pools be available. 00:47:47
And is the. 00:47:50
The upper pool. 00:47:53
Part of the spa. 00:47:54
That's a membership, correct? 00:47:56
And is. 00:47:59
That an indoor or outdoor. 00:48:01
Because I assume it would be closed. 00:48:04
The other pools are closed. 00:48:07
And because I've had grandchildren in swim. 00:48:10
Will these pools be available to our schools for swim meets? 00:48:13
Or even swim less. 00:48:18
Swim meets. 00:48:19
And let's see, what else. 00:48:22
Thank you everybody else. 00:48:24
Answered questions SO. 00:48:26
That's mine. 00:48:28
Thanks, Terry. 00:48:29
All right, three out of four. 00:48:31
Are you coming up? 00:48:33
Oh, almost had it. 00:48:36
OK. 00:48:39
All right, with that, we'll go ahead and close the public comment. 00:48:41
I'm gonna allow the applicant to come up to answer these questions that I've recorded. I will say though, some of these are 00:48:45
operating. 00:48:48
Questions. 00:48:52
As they said earlier. 00:48:54
The operations plans hasn't already, hasn't been. 00:48:56
Totally finalized yet? 00:48:59
So I'll give you a little grace. If you don't know the answer is 2 of them. If you do and you're able to answer them, then by all 00:49:01
means please do second. 00:49:05
It really is just an application about. 00:49:09
The. 00:49:12
Elevation change. 00:49:12
And so. 00:49:14
Some of these questions I don't want to spend too much time on because that is not what was agendized tonight. So we need to stick 00:49:15
on what's on the agenda. But that being said, if there is the ability to address them, please by all means do. And then if there's 00:49:21
further questions, I would hope that you would be able to talk outside the meeting to answer any of those. So if you could come up 00:49:26
and just ask really quick. 00:49:31
When it comes to the parking spaces at the All Abilities Park, since that wasn't on the agenda, I would hope that you could 00:49:39
address that after the meeting to answer that. 00:49:43
Question regarding the. 00:49:47
Paying for it. 00:49:50
This right now. 00:49:51
Is a private development, you don't know need to go into those details, but if you could give a little feedback as to how that 00:49:53
budget was established. 00:49:56
Yeah, we're we're paying for it. 00:50:00
There we go. Yeah. 00:50:02
OK. Thank you for your generosity. 00:50:03
OK, we're paying for it. 00:50:06
OK, developer. 00:50:08
All right. As for parking, that's already in the approved plan. 00:50:10
That was already approved in the. 00:50:14
Previous approval. 00:50:16
All right, when it comes to landscaping, if you could. 00:50:18
Speak a little bit on water wise planting and whether that was considered in the landscaping palette. Yes. 00:50:21
Definitely, uh. 00:50:28
Using water wise plants the. 00:50:29
Like kind of Zurich principles. 00:50:33
Are definitely in here. It's actually. 00:50:34
Better for pools that we don't have a lot of leaf. 00:50:37
Litter blowing into the pools and so. 00:50:39
That strategy is definitely. 00:50:41
Planned into the landscape plan. 00:50:43
OK, excellent. 00:50:45
A mix of. 00:50:48
Drought tolerant and native species? Yep. Well, not bringing in any. Yep, and crazy great. 00:50:49
OK. 00:50:53
And then the operations questions. 00:50:55
Once those are more finalized, I imagine you'll be making those public for the community to know. Yeah, the the question about the 00:50:59
upper pool, correct. 00:51:03
That that one in particular, we know we want to have it open year round. 00:51:07
So all of the decking. 00:51:11
Is getting. 00:51:12
Like it'll all be heated. 00:51:13
For snowmelt. 00:51:17
The the pool will be heated. All of the pools will be heated with the district energy system. So we have. 00:51:18
Pretty inexpensive heat. 00:51:24
To heat the pools. 00:51:26
It won't be natural gas that. 00:51:27
You know we're burning. 00:51:29
To heat the pools, it'll be the. 00:51:30
District energy that will come through. 00:51:32
And keep the. 00:51:35
Temperatures up. 00:51:36
All of the other pools though. 00:51:37
Because of the. 00:51:38
They're at the on the main deck. 00:51:40
We will probably close those. 00:51:43
We'll probably be able to extend the season. 00:51:45
Of the pool. 00:51:47
Longer than. 00:51:49
Then pulls around. 00:51:51
Because of the district energy, but. 00:51:52
You know, as the air temperature cools. 00:51:54
It's just not as inviting to be out there but. 00:51:56
We will we'll we'll have the radiant heating in the deck on the upper pool, which will. 00:52:00
Help keep temperatures up. 00:52:05
OK, well, wonderful. 00:52:07
Thank you. It is outdoor. The upper pool is outdoor. OK. 00:52:09
Excellent. Thanks. 00:52:12
OK, so with that, I just wanted to provide a couple comments and then if anyone has other things to say or want to make a motion, 00:52:15
they're welcome to. I just want to commend you. I think this is an incredible. 00:52:21
Development and it just keeps getting better and better. 00:52:27
Everything that we consider. 00:52:29
Great contributions community. 00:52:32
With a lot of generous. 00:52:35
Donations to the city as well. So I appreciate all of that. 00:52:37
And I really appreciate this vision. I think it's great. 00:52:41
So with that or is anyone? 00:52:46
Want to make a motion, Anthony, if you could put the motion language up there? 00:52:49
If anyone wants to just. 00:52:53
Say the sample motion, I just recommend you say. 00:52:55
Conditions as presented. 00:52:58
Rather than read each bullet point. 00:53:00
But anyone want to make one? 00:53:02
The last bullet. 00:53:05
You had a condition on that. Oh, I would just reword it and when you say as presented, you could say and suggested modification 00:53:08
just saying that the. 00:53:12
Circulation plan. 00:53:17
Would remain active until the small building receives its certificate of occupancy. 00:53:19
Can I get the mural? 00:53:29
Part of the elevation. 00:53:31
You can make that motion. I personally would. 00:53:35
Not like to make that a requirement. I think that is a good suggestion to them. I would not feel comfortable requiring it. 00:53:38
Yes, OK. 00:53:45
All right, Brad, I saw you leaning towards the microphone. 00:53:50
All right, OK. I'll go ahead and make a motion to approve the site plan amendment application Plan 26004. 00:53:56
With the conditions as presented with the suggested modification for the last one in the SPA building. 00:54:02
I'll second the motion. 00:54:10
OK, all in favor say aye. 00:54:11
Aye, any opposed? 00:54:13
All right, PESS is unanimously. 00:54:15
Thank you. Thank you. 00:54:17
All right, let's move on. 00:54:19
To back to 5.2 Back to the future conditional use in site plan application for entire auto Body Shop and retail. 00:54:20
Anthony. 00:54:29
Thank you very much. That was a good one. 00:54:39
So I'm going to be presenting on the tire, auto Body Shop and retail. 00:54:41
If I can find my mouse OK, got it. 00:54:49
So just to give you a location context, this is located. 00:54:52
On the corner of. 00:54:55
400 S. 00:54:57
And Geneva? 00:54:59
Geneva Rd. 00:55:00
Which is where my mouse is. 00:55:01
Currently float in. 00:55:05
Is that clear? 00:55:06
So they had a. 00:55:09
You know a. 00:55:11
Approved a couple of months ago. 00:55:13
It has not been recorded yet. 00:55:15
We had a few conditions of approval. 00:55:18
At the time that needed to be corrected, they have done that. 00:55:21
But they've not recorded it yet. That would be required. 00:55:24
Before they can obtain a building permit so. 00:55:28
It's in the works. They have an approved plat. 00:55:32
But. 00:55:34
A subdivision. 00:55:35
But it's not been recorded. 00:55:36
Again. 00:55:39
This area that's, you know, highlighted in the red box. 00:55:40
Is within the original commercial. 00:55:44
Zoning district of our city. 00:55:47
Now the. 00:55:51
Various uses that. 00:55:53
Was, you know, shared with us with this application. 00:55:54
Where? 00:55:58
Vehicle and auto body repairs minor. 00:55:59
As well as a restaurant and retail sales and services. 00:56:04
The restaurant and the retail sales and services are all outrightly permitted in the original commercial zone. 00:56:10
However, the. 00:56:18
Vehicle and auto body repair minor. 00:56:19
Use is one that requires A conditional use. 00:56:23
Permit. 00:56:27
Hence the reason behind. 00:56:29
This. 00:56:31
Application being both a conditional use permit. 00:56:32
And. 00:56:34
A site plan. 00:56:37
So the lot is about 2.4 acres large. 00:56:40
And it has two buildings that have been proposed to go on it. We have building A. 00:56:45
Which has a square footage of about 19,000. 00:56:51
You know. 00:56:55
800 square feet. 00:56:56
They meet all the setbacks. 00:56:59
And also building B. 00:57:01
Was at some point. 00:57:04
Almost 9000 square feet, but because of various uses that we. 00:57:06
Pointed out to them that need it even more parking. 00:57:11
It it made them shrink the building up a little bit to accommodate the more parking. 00:57:15
Due to the various uses that are going in there. 00:57:20
Which made it about 8200 square feet. 00:57:23
Building B as well. 00:57:28
Sits to the north and it. 00:57:29
I will show you it also meets all the required set back. 00:57:32
Now I wanted to point out in this project overview summary that. 00:57:36
You know the architects had here listed as a. 00:57:42
As a warehouse. 00:57:45
In there. 00:57:47
It's not a warehouse. A warehouse is not. 00:57:48
Permitted in the original commercial area. It's essentially it's a tire shop. 00:57:50
Right, and they need storage. 00:57:56
So in there. 00:57:57
Description they. 00:57:59
They named their storage warehouse, but it's not a warehouse, it's storage for the tire shop. 00:58:00
And I also wanted to point out that the minor. 00:58:05
Vehicle. 00:58:08
Body of. 00:58:10
Auto Body Shop and repair. 00:58:12
What makes it minor is everything. 00:58:15
That they do has to be in a contained environment in the. 00:58:18
You know, enclosed environment, so it's going to be in a. 00:58:21
Building with, you know, the garage doors that can be opened and closed to let in cars and out. 00:58:25
So I just wanted to point that out. 00:58:31
The requirement for landscaping is about. 00:58:35
20% of the entire development they provided more than we need. That's 21% if we calculate. 00:58:37
The building height and everything meets. 00:58:45
The requirements as. 00:58:48
As the city has in the code. 00:58:52
So this is the floor plan for building A. 00:58:55
Just to get you oriented. 00:58:58
You would have. 00:59:02
This would be the building. A would be the. 00:59:03
The one with the tire shop, so this on the South side, so this. 00:59:07
Building. 00:59:12
I don't know if you can tell from my cursor, but. 00:59:13
This. 00:59:15
Here would have where my cursor is would be Geneva Rd. 00:59:16
And this here would be where you have the tire shop. 00:59:19
And they would have the other retail stores. 00:59:23
On the other side of it, creating that L. 00:59:25
And building B. 00:59:29
Has this. 00:59:31
Building. 00:59:33
Where you have my cursor would be 400 S. 00:59:34
And Geneva Rd. is going to be on the east side of what is being shown right now. 00:59:38
So altogether, this is how it's expected to look. 00:59:47
With a tire shop here. 00:59:50
Building A and Building B. 00:59:53
Will the restaurant and. 00:59:55
Other retail spaces that. 00:59:57
That are also aligned in 400 S. 01:00:00
Here's a landscape plan. 01:00:04
We worked with them to get in. 01:00:06
You know, water wise. 01:00:08
Plants and make sure that they meet the vineyard. 01:00:11
Vineyard tree manual requirements and they meet it all with their landscaping. 01:00:15
Landscaping. 01:00:21
Plan they. 01:00:23
Over delivered. 01:00:24
You know, for instance, with the trees we only require. 01:00:26
Based on the size and the. 01:00:28
Project coming in, we only required about 30-4 but they provided about 51 trees. 01:00:30
So. 01:00:36
They tried to make this as appealing as possible. 01:00:37
And. 01:00:41
All their selection also did. 01:00:42
Take into consideration some water wise you know. 01:00:45
And zero scape in. 01:00:48
Principles to make it. 01:00:50
You know, save more water than usual. 01:00:51
So here are the elevations. 01:00:54
Oh, I didn't realize I was in this mode. 01:00:56
So here are the elevations for building a. 01:00:58
So to the north. 01:01:02
So this here is going to be. 01:01:04
This one here is going to be the East. 01:01:07
Elevation. 01:01:13
So the maximum height for this entire site is essentially 60 feet. 01:01:15
And. 01:01:19
They were just maxing out at about 30 feet. 01:01:20
Height. 01:01:23
This is the elevation here that shows. 01:01:29
North and South. 01:01:32
The South side is what you know. You can tell it's a garage. 01:01:33
Doors for entry into the tire shop. 01:01:37
And for building. 01:01:46
We've worked with them to get this far actually. 01:01:48
The South elevation is going to be into the interior lot. 01:01:52
However, the north elevation here. 01:01:56
Again, coming back to what Diarrhea had expressed interest in the other project. 01:02:00
They had a blank wall. 01:02:04
With nothing on it because it's the back of. 01:02:06
You know a retail space, right? We worked with them. They got some good windows. They had some. 01:02:08
You know. 01:02:13
Architectural features here with the roof. Just played with it. 01:02:14
They also. 01:02:18
Did express. 01:02:19
Some you know. 01:02:20
Interest in. 01:02:22
Having a mural on the north. 01:02:23
Elevation side because it's right on. 01:02:25
400. 01:02:27
Mural again. 01:02:31
So on 400 S. 01:02:33
And. 01:02:35
They're open to having something fun and inviting. 01:02:36
Because we expressed to them that it is one of the major gateways into the city. 01:02:39
And we cannot just have a back house. 01:02:44
Looking, you know, building which. 01:02:46
Which really essentially. 01:02:50
Based on everything else, they meet their requirements because of the windows and everything that they have provided, but we asked 01:02:53
them to do more. 01:02:56
Because of the gateway nature of that. 01:03:00
Corridor. 01:03:02
And it being. 01:03:03
400 S. 01:03:05
So, umm. 01:03:06
They do have plans to put on a beautiful mural to. 01:03:08
Make it welcome in for people getting into Vineyard through Foreign to South. 01:03:11
So here are the elevations for the east side and the West side. 01:03:16
Of the buildings. 01:03:21
On building B they capped out at about. 01:03:23
You know, less than 30 feet as well. 01:03:26
Though they have a maximum height of about 60 feet. 01:03:28
And here are the conditions of approval that we have here. 01:03:32
Based on the conditional use permit. 01:03:36
I mean, we have the standard pay all the fees that you owe. 01:03:39
However. 01:03:42
The main one that we had to include was. 01:03:44
To. 01:03:47
Ensure that all vehicles. 01:03:49
Vehicle repairs or whatever is done on. 01:03:51
On in the tire shop. 01:03:54
Is entirely within an enclosed space. 01:03:55
Because that is what? 01:03:58
The. 01:03:59
What does what they're applying for the minor? 01:04:01
Shop. 01:04:04
That's one of the things we did not put anything here about the mural because. 01:04:05
It is not. 01:04:11
We can require them to do it. 01:04:13
We just talked them into it and they were excited. 01:04:15
To do it. So thank you for doing that. 01:04:18
Yeah. 01:04:20
So we recommend approval. 01:04:22
Of the site plan and conditional use permit. 01:04:24
As we have. 01:04:27
You know, presented to the Commission. 01:04:28
Please let us know if you have any questions or concerns. 01:04:30
Thank you. We'll get there. One of the things that would help just as we are discussing this. 01:04:33
There's really two items. 01:04:39
That they are seeking approval for. 01:04:41
One is the conditional use permit. 01:04:43
Which is. 01:04:44
The use that they're proposing with the. 01:04:45
Tired Body Shop? 01:04:47
And then the second one is the site plan. 01:04:50
Application now. 01:04:52
Future uses such as the restaurant if they want to be doing things. 01:04:55
That would be above and beyond what the required. 01:04:59
Zoning and stuff are they would come in at a later date. So I don't, I want to make sure we don't get hung up with things like the 01:05:03
restaurant or what kind of retail is going to be going in those other pads. We don't know and we're not asked to know that right 01:05:07
now, yeah. 01:05:11
OK. I wanted to just make that clear. 01:05:16
Great. 01:05:18
Any questions for staff? 01:05:19
Oh, OK, one one other condition that. 01:05:21
We forgot to put in here and thank you so much. 01:05:24
My, you know, my able engineers. 01:05:27
So they also made. 01:05:30
A change here. We worked with them. 01:05:31
Our engineers did all the good work. 01:05:34
I want to go here, so it's very. 01:05:36
So you can relate to it better. 01:05:40
But on 400 S, we didn't want to hold up any kind of traffic, so they. 01:05:42
They agreed to put in a median that blocks. 01:05:48
Them from having anyone. 01:05:51
Turn left into the property, so it's going to be right in right out only. 01:05:53
Way to go. 01:05:57
Which one? This one? 01:05:59
There will be a. 01:06:01
Road but all the way past this so. 01:06:03
You can't come down here. 01:06:06
Into the property. 01:06:07
With the median extent likely from the intersection. 01:06:10
All the way West to. 01:06:13
Vineyard Rd. 01:06:16
Or to the ball fields? Or OK to that first Rd. OK first intersection. Yep. 01:06:17
Great. The one that is. 01:06:22
Kind of straight from the elementary school. 01:06:24
Yeah, that weird intersection thing, essentially down to that intersection. Yeah, I did want to point out too with the mural idea, 01:06:25
just as a side note, this, this lot is kind of depressed. 01:06:31
So as you come up to Geneva, it raises up quite a bit. So it's it's kind of in a. 01:06:36
Hole that's about 6 feet or so. 01:06:41
So like. 01:06:44
This corner here. 01:06:45
Just a thought with that mural. 01:06:47
OK, excellent. 01:06:51
All right, the other one. 01:06:54
While we're asking the questions if. 01:06:56
One of you could just maybe pull up Google Maps. 01:06:58
Just as a reference. 01:07:01
Point for all of it, because. 01:07:02
I'm sure I at least I know. 01:07:04
There's going to be some questions just about the. 01:07:06
Overall neighborhood context there, but Daria, we've interrupted you enough. 01:07:09
So that's those were my 2 questions. The 4th South. 01:07:13
With that in and out, only the right way, right? 01:07:17
To the right. Excuse me. 01:07:22
I'm concerned about. 01:07:24
The alignment of the Vineyard Rd. 01:07:27
With the parking lot. 01:07:29
Is it going to be impacted until we get that taken care of? 01:07:33
It won't be impacted, but we. 01:07:36
We are addressing that as a separate concern with with Oram. 01:07:40
OK, so. 01:07:44
You would put the median in. 01:07:47
For this. 01:07:49
For this project. 01:07:52
Yeah, it would end about there. 01:07:53
That median just apartment, is that what that is? Yeah, just right before Vineyard Rd. Yeah. So that's Vineyard Rd. now and right 01:07:56
about there. And it would reflect what you're seeing within. 01:08:02
The yellow lines correct because you got turn lanes. 01:08:09
Essentially that yellow line right here. 01:08:14
They're just going to replace that yellow line with the concrete barrier. 01:08:16
Oh yeah, Vineyard, maybe that's your question. 01:08:23
Yeah, people can still turn left on from Vineyard Rd. onto Foreman, OK. 01:08:26
OK. Well, because aren't we trying to align the parking lot with Vineyard roads to the elementary can get out. I just want to make 01:08:34
sure that that can still take place. 01:08:38
We're looking at options for that, but yeah, that that would still be able to take place. We're not, we're not going to impact 01:08:42
those those possibilities. 01:08:46
And my other question was about the corner for South that dip. 01:08:49
You know, people have run into that fence and knocked it down and it's kind of dangerous. 01:08:54
And so I'm wondering if they should be putting up some kind of barricade. 01:09:00
Of some sort to protect that corner. 01:09:04
And maybe with a big. 01:09:07
Call Marquis to say it's. 01:09:09
Castro plasma or whatever they want to call it, yeah. 01:09:13
The Castro tire. 01:09:16
So I don't know. 01:09:18
I'm Yeah. 01:09:20
I think upon development. 01:09:22
That will provide enough of a visual or. 01:09:24
Barry, right now, I think you're get a lot the people running up there because. 01:09:26
You're not seeing much. I'm hoping upon development you might see it more. 01:09:30
Into that corner. 01:09:35
If there's if there's development in there. 01:09:39
Zoom out. 01:09:43
Right, but as you. 01:09:46
There's gonna be some trees on that corner, it looks like. 01:09:48
But yeah. 01:09:52
To your point there, there will be a building, so it'll be a visual thing and then there will be some trees along there. Did they 01:09:53
have a signage placement at all? 01:09:57
You know, not at the moment. 01:10:01
So. 01:10:03
I mean, we could. 01:10:04
We could discuss with them on the signage placement as well. 01:10:05
And also lighting in the parking lot. 01:10:10
Is that a requirement? 01:10:12
They will have a lighting plan, photometric plan, so the. 01:10:18
That would be required. 01:10:22
Kind of speaking for planners, but. 01:10:24
That's all tied to building permit, isn't it? 01:10:26
Usually it should be tied to site planner, which is what we're approving today. 01:10:29
I'm sorry. Go ahead. 01:10:38
I'm curious. 01:10:40
Because that. 01:10:42
That 400 N area is all it already is, pretty congested during like school hours and start and end. 01:10:44
Like do we need? 01:10:53
To have an entrance exit point that way? Or can we just keep it on Geneva? 01:10:54
I think with. 01:11:02
With fire safety and like emergency safety access you'd need. 01:11:04
You need 2 points of access. 01:11:08
And then the. 01:11:11
That it would be nice if we could just have both of them on the Geneva side, but. 01:11:12
Because of. 01:11:18
Because of you dot regulations, yeah, you can't fit 2 on on the Geneva side. 01:11:18
So the we specifically worked with UDA on placing the entrance on Geneva. 01:11:24
And then we would also need the one on 400 S for. 01:11:29
Second entrance. I feel like there's got to be like some good signage or something. 01:11:33
You know. 01:11:39
Kids and. 01:11:40
And then business traffic like it could. 01:11:41
Collide and that could. 01:11:45
Totally. I think the right in. 01:11:46
Is awesome. 01:11:49
There, Yeah. 01:11:50
I hear your concern though. 01:11:53
Yeah, we could. We could maybe. 01:11:56
You know, work on something that visually at that 400 S entrance. 01:11:58
We're also working on a project. 01:12:06
At the school intersection, at the at the Lakeside Park in school intersection, we're going to realign that intersection and put a 01:12:09
traffic signal there. 01:12:13
So that can that will help regulate traffic a little bit as well. 01:12:18
And then as we, as we spoke previously about the aligning. 01:12:23
Vineyard Rd. and the parking lot of the school where? 01:12:28
Where we're looking at options on that as well. 01:12:30
And potentially even if once we get that aligned, we were looking at putting another crosswalk at that point. 01:12:34
To break that, break that pedestrian path. 01:12:42
Great. Thanks. 01:12:47
Are there other questions for staff? 01:12:49
OK. 01:12:57
The two-story office space. 01:12:58
Is that it's now going to be retail? 01:13:01
Is that correct? 01:13:04
Who is going to be office? And now it says. 01:13:11
Retail and then basement. 01:13:13
Below and the first one didn't have anything about a basement storage. 01:13:16
I'm just warning. 01:13:20
Does that upstairs have windows? 01:13:22
Two, if it's going to be retail. 01:13:26
It's not going to be retail. From what? 01:13:28
You know, we had presented it will be just an office for the tire shop as well. 01:13:32
Unless I have it mistaken. 01:13:38
Well, on my agenda packet it said it was going to be. 01:13:41
For the upstairs, I can probably circle back because this is something that. 01:13:45
I didn't do the full review on. 01:13:49
The person does not. 01:13:52
You know, work for the city anymore. 01:13:53
So I have to. 01:13:56
You know, I had to work, you know, step in with Rachel. 01:13:57
To get into. 01:14:00
Getting it to this point. 01:14:01
There's something we could talk to them when they come to. 01:14:03
When it gets to building permit. 01:14:07
Stuff and like the trees and you know. 01:14:08
Well, this is the site plan. This is your questions about trees. Now's the time. This is the time. 01:14:11
For that, OK. 01:14:15
It says the ground cover the ground is going to be have crushed rock. 01:14:17
And we're going to have 20 honey locust trees. 01:14:21
Those trees? 01:14:25
Are miss. 01:14:27
They have little tiny leaves and their branches are like twigs. 01:14:30
And if they're going to fall in that crushed rock? 01:14:34
That place is going to be ugly. 01:14:38
As far as? 01:14:41
Cleaning up. 01:14:43
It's going to be hard for them to blow out all those leaves and keep it clean. 01:14:44
The cement when it gets wet. 01:14:48
People are gonna slip. 01:14:51
Good luck. 01:14:55
Not a great treaty for for this. And they are. 01:14:56
They get to be. 01:15:01
40 to 50 feet tall and 30 to 35 feet wide. 01:15:02
So that's going to take up a lot of space and if they're going to be put in the circular. 01:15:07
Concrete thing. 01:15:13
The concrete is going to raise and you're going to have sidewalk problems and. 01:15:15
That's just my thought. 01:15:20
OK. 01:15:28
I'm trying to think OK I have a whole lot of comments but first anyone else? 01:15:31
OK, hearing none members of the public. 01:15:39
That's your time to provide comment on this application, so if you want to head up. 01:15:42
Come and do it now. 01:15:46
OK, there you are. 01:15:50
That's right. 01:15:53
Russ Levins from the Villas. 01:15:55
I want to know where the representatives from Guilford Rand are. 01:15:57
Why aren't they here tonight? 01:16:00
I mean, there could be something real extenuating. 01:16:03
But they aren't here. 01:16:05
That sends a message to me. 01:16:06
And the honey locust tree we had, we had one in our yard. 01:16:08
And what she's talking about is true about those honey locust trees. 01:16:11
So we, we know all about those. Thank you. 01:16:15
OK. 01:16:21
All right, ending that, Anthony, you're about to say something and then? 01:16:24
We I know we have so many more questions. 01:16:28
I I wanted to say that with the tree concern that you're, you just brought up. 01:16:31
Would you want us to have a condition in there for them to? I have an idea. 01:16:36
I'd like to propose on that because I was thinking that's OK. 01:16:41
Yeah, sure you can. 01:16:44
All right, first. 01:16:46
Are, and this is a question for public works and engineering? 01:16:47
Are any of those proposed trees along the right of way, and therefore it would be? 01:16:50
The city's responsibility. 01:16:55
To maintain. 01:16:57
No. OK, so that is important to note. 01:16:59
I don't think it is appropriate. 01:17:03
For us to say. 01:17:05
That tree's not allowed. 01:17:08
If we haven't already provided some kind of tree list where it's permitted. 01:17:09
Tree, can you speak on that? Is it? Yeah. So we did it on the list. 01:17:14
Usually when we go through all the. 01:17:18
All the all the trees and plants provided in our landscaping plants. We look at what we have in a tree manual. 01:17:21
And all this checked the boxes. 01:17:28
So and they happen to be on private property. 01:17:31
What I was going to suggest. 01:17:34
Based on the comment you made, was. 01:17:36
They could work with our. 01:17:38
You know city. 01:17:40
To make some good suggestions because he knows a lot about these. 01:17:41
So here's how. 01:17:45
We're going to make that a condition. 01:17:47
Because originally under that I totally agree they need to work with the arborist and come with. 01:17:49
Up with the landscape plan. 01:17:54
That would make. 01:17:55
Sense, especially with the context of what those trees are doing in the area. 01:17:56
Right now that's just simply a suggestion in order to make it a condition. 01:18:02
I would state that they need. 01:18:06
This would almost become a code enforcement. 01:18:08
Issue. 01:18:12
If they are not maintaining it. 01:18:12
And so. 01:18:14
If we are seeing. 01:18:16
Uplifts in the sidewalks, obviously you've got to fix that. That's an ADA issue. But if we're seeing. 01:18:17
The. 01:18:24
Droppings of these trees getting out of control, and they're not maintaining it. 01:18:25
I want to make sure that means they're in violation of this site plan. 01:18:28
Or of the conditional use permit. 01:18:32
That's going to get them to change. 01:18:34
The species of the tree a lot more quickly. 01:18:36
So that would just be something I would suggest. 01:18:40
So we hold them to it, not just to get it built the right way, but that they're taking care of it in perpetuity. 01:18:43
Beyond that? 01:18:48
And I think we're within. 01:18:50
Our rights of a Commission to add that as a requirement to. 01:18:52
The conditions of approval. 01:18:55
For the site plan and the conditional use permit, more of the site plan, not the conditional use permit. That has nothing to do 01:18:57
with just the site operations, but their site plan. 01:19:01
OK, umm. 01:19:05
Go back to Google Maps. 01:19:08
OK, I'm going to adjust the thing I'm. 01:19:09
Concerned about? 01:19:11
What is going? 01:19:12
I think the people. 01:19:14
Happiest about this development? 01:19:15
Are all the parents of the softball and soccer players who park along that road? 01:19:17
Free parking, absolutely it is right what I want to make sure we do. 01:19:25
Is if they are going to be putting any kind of restrictions. 01:19:33
On their parking spaces. 01:19:37
It is not the city's responsibility to police. 01:19:39
Monitor that. 01:19:43
That is purely a business decision. 01:19:44
For them to do that. 01:19:47
OK. Is there something in the conditional use permit? 01:19:49
Where we can say. 01:19:53
I don't want to tell them that they should reserve spots. 01:19:55
Hopefully they've done their homework and they know that they should and say it's business parking only but. 01:19:58
I don't need to require it. 01:20:03
I just do not want the city to start getting complaints from them. 01:20:04
Saying people are using my parking lot. 01:20:08
Right. Can you think of some? 01:20:10
Kind of. 01:20:14
I don't know if it needs to be a condition, but some kind of notice. 01:20:15
That, uh. 01:20:18
We're not responsible for monitoring their parking lot. 01:20:19
They are. 01:20:22
Does that make sense what I'm saying? 01:20:24
Yeah, that, that makes sense. And I I believe at least to me. 01:20:26
Yeah, and this OK. 01:20:30
Yeah. 01:20:32
Yeah, and it might just be. 01:20:34
Not even a condition, but some note when you grant the conditional use permit. 01:20:36
Saying, uh. 01:20:41
So you know this is your parking lot. Hey, this is nasty Midori Wars director so. 01:20:42
I think. 01:20:48
Our chiefs have the Holden or Rockwell would probably be best. 01:20:50
Pseudo to answer this question directly, SO. 01:20:55
Cities the city does not monitor and enforce. 01:20:58
Parking on private property. 01:21:03
On that So what I would believe. 01:21:05
I mean, they would probably like they could do if it was. 01:21:08
A problem was. 01:21:13
You know, complain to this. 01:21:14
Vineyard City since they are inside Veneer City about. 01:21:16
The parking. 01:21:20
And the park, yeah. 01:21:22
You know the parking caused by the events in the park, which is run by Orem City. 01:21:24
Is oozing into their. 01:21:28
Private parking. 01:21:30
So the city. 01:21:31
Would likely get involved in terms of communication to between two parties. 01:21:32
To help that situation, but we. 01:21:37
But. 01:21:40
Technically, that we By law, we would not. 01:21:41
Enforce parking there. We could put a note in there says that. 01:21:44
You know to as noted that the. 01:21:47
Parking. 01:21:49
And on the property is private parking. 01:21:50
Or is responsibility of the owner. 01:21:54
Just like enforcement, as long as we make it abundantly clear. 01:21:57
Yeah, preferably in writing. Yeah, I think, yeah, what we could do is to get that exact wording on that. Likely just deferred the 01:22:00
Anthony to talk to our Sheriff's Office to ensure that the wording is proper. I'm sure they've dealt with this problem. 01:22:06
OK, excellent. That doesn't need to be a condition of approval for their permit or their site plan at all, but I would just 01:22:13
suggest that staff. 01:22:17
Meet with them as they're building. 01:22:21
To well for their conditional use permit. 01:22:22
Would they need to get approval? 01:22:27
From this body. 01:22:30
Before putting up signs that say. 01:22:32
30 minute parking only or parking for? 01:22:34
Shopping centers only. 01:22:37
No. 01:22:39
There with they'd be within their rights to put any restrictions they want yes, OK, there we go and I would like to add as well 01:22:39
that. 01:22:42
I've been in a few meetings. 01:22:46
You know, that led to this coming to this point and they are aware of this issue of parking in the area. 01:22:48
And we laughed about it. 01:22:54
A couple of you know, settings where. 01:22:56
They they know it's a problem that awaits them. 01:22:58
So great. 01:23:02
Because I would park there. 01:23:04
Immediately, yeah. 01:23:05
I'll look for your Carney. 01:23:08
They did mention that there's going to be a very good Taco spot, so. 01:23:09
You know, get a Taco and just Taco and just park there, you know, to show your receipt. 01:23:13
You bought Taco? 01:23:18
Those parking spots could be a cash cow for them. You know, there's a business opportunity. There we go. Makes it, make it 01:23:21
taxable, right? 01:23:24
Along with the code enforcement. 01:23:35
For cleaning. 01:23:37
Can we? 01:23:41
Make a strong suggestion that they. 01:23:42
Collaborate with the city. 01:23:45
Arborist. Mm-hmm. 01:23:46
But that's part of the condition that. 01:23:48
They are responsible for maintaining it. 01:23:51
But uh. 01:23:54
We're not going to tie them to this species of tree right now. We recommend you meet with. 01:23:56
The arborist to come up with a better plan. 01:24:01
I won't make them change it though. 01:24:05
If they insist on it. 01:24:06
And they want to. 01:24:07
They just weep it every day. All right, go for it. Just gotta know it's high maintenance, yeah. 01:24:08
For sure. 01:24:14
Can we? 01:24:17
Have an answer to Mr. Evans question about why Gilliford Rand is not here? 01:24:17
Tonight to. 01:24:24
Be the applicant to speak. 01:24:25
Anthony's welcome to speak. I know you said earlier there, yeah, they said they were going to be here, but unfortunately no one 01:24:28
sent notice. 01:24:31
I'm not sure why. 01:24:36
Yeah, the owner actually said they were going to be here. 01:24:39
And the architect as well. 01:24:43
But umm. 01:24:45
Again. 01:24:46
Give us a little off. 01:24:47
Yes, it is. 01:24:49
Frankly, to me it's a little off putting. 01:24:51
Not to have them here, but it's not a legal requirement. Yes, it's not. 01:24:54
OK. Thank you. 01:25:00
Do you have any? 01:25:03
Comments. Questions. 01:25:04
Is there any that we missed? 01:25:06
All right, does anyone want to make a motion? 01:25:08
I will make a motion. 01:25:16
That the. 01:25:19
Conditional use. 01:25:22
Request is approved with the conditions that we've stated in the recommendations. 01:25:23
May OK. 01:25:30
You'll approve it along with the conditions as presented. Okay, great. 01:25:34
Any second. 01:25:41
All in favor. 01:25:44
Say aye, aye. 01:25:45
Any opposed? 01:25:46
All right. Passes unanimously. Please go on and share that with the applicant. 01:25:48
All right. Now let's move into our fun work session, our floodplain regulation update and National Flood Insurance Program 01:25:54
compliance. 01:25:57
All right. Thank you very much. 01:26:07
This is part of. 01:26:09
As I'm getting my computer set up, this is part of a public. 01:26:13
I have a public. 01:26:18
Input process that is. 01:26:20
Was requested for us to hold as required by the state. 01:26:23
In regards to a new floodplain regulation up. 01:26:27
Date. 01:26:31
So mine. 01:26:34
Sweet. All right. 01:26:37
So this presentation. 01:26:38
It has been. 01:26:41
Include as part of the agenda package. 01:26:43
Please you can review it through the agenda package or you can look at the screen. 01:26:47
And, umm. 01:26:51
Excuse me if you hear any kind of feedback. That's my. 01:26:53
Hearing aids. 01:26:56
Kind of going off so. 01:26:57
And so before you sort. 01:27:00
Start just to make sure the action that's being requested from us is simply to provide. 01:27:02
Input exactly. There's no formal action taken. Yes, there's the work. So it's a work session, so there is no action required. 01:27:06
And it will be. I'll get into it, but a ordinance will be presented to the City Council. 01:27:14
On June 2nd, scheduled for June 2nd. 01:27:19
Currently. 01:27:22
For the City Council to adopt the OR the ordinance and the ordinance has also been provided. 01:27:23
On the agenda? 01:27:29
Excuse me on this agenda for review as well. 01:27:31
This presentation is part of the public input process, and it will. 01:27:34
Go through the steps of what we're doing, why we're doing it, how we're doing it, and. 01:27:37
The this main points of the ordinance. 01:27:42
So this is prepared but not only by myself but Justine Marshall, our Floodplain Manager. CFM means certified Floodplain manager, a 01:27:44
very title that a test that is hard to get hard to. 01:27:51
Pass and definitely tell them. Well deserved. 01:27:58
So the purpose of this is. 01:28:02
The purpose of this public input and also for the. 01:28:04
For the update. 01:28:08
On in this presentation is. Bottom line is for. 01:28:11
Vineyard City and all other cities who are going through the same process. Excuse me? 01:28:15
To stay compliant with the FEMA, the federal Federal Emergency Management Agency. 01:28:20
And the NFL. 01:28:26
I see the NFIP which is a national flood insurance program. 01:28:28
Keeps the city eligible. 01:28:33
For flood insurance. 01:28:34
Put federal disaster funding. 01:28:35
Specifically, it's for FEMA. 01:28:38
As well as grants, which is through FEMA and other resources. 01:28:39
Bottom line, this is to protect public safety. 01:28:43
Property and also infrastructure. 01:28:47
This initiative is being led by the. 01:28:49
Utah Department of Public Safety, Division of Emergency Management. 01:28:52
Who spent a lot of time gathering information, all that a lot of data and so forth. 01:28:56
To put together the proposed updates. 01:29:00
On this. 01:29:03
So what does floodplain management, just in a nutshell, is this helps regulate? 01:29:05
Floods, flood and flood zones in short. 01:29:11
The main purposes of it is to help reduce flood risks. 01:29:15
This is specifically flood risk. 01:29:19
Not caused by broken sprinklers or broken. 01:29:21
Faucets and inside but floods. 01:29:25
Due to outside. 01:29:27
Causes. 01:29:30
Specifically. 01:29:31
Wetlands or. 01:29:33
Buys water such as Utah like. 01:29:35
And of course, trying to help manage long term growth to ensure the as people as. 01:29:38
Areas grow as develop, and so forth at. 01:29:44
Public safety is the main focus. 01:29:47
And loss of life, property damage, and of course, public costs. 01:29:50
A lot of these pictures that are being shown. 01:29:55
Are available on the. 01:29:58
Utah's uh. 01:30:00
On the Save Utah's website for. 01:30:01
Other departments of public safety. 01:30:04
So what records this update? 01:30:07
Then a new Utah late all. 01:30:10
Hazard analysis specifically for vineyard the new Utah lake flood hazard analysis. 01:30:12
It's been it's util. 01:30:17
This analysis was led by the state of. 01:30:19
Department of Public Safety. 01:30:23
It used updated FEMA data and modeling. 01:30:25
And the main things it does is it. 01:30:29
Has changed inclusive. 01:30:31
Changes to. 01:30:33
Lake levels. 01:30:34
Wave action, so when? 01:30:35
We predominantly see it around here. 01:30:38
When with high winds and especially in the winter time when we had the stacking of the ice. 01:30:40
Slates that's. 01:30:45
They're very easy, realistic. 01:30:47
View what wave actions are. 01:30:49
And of course, flood elevations. 01:30:51
How high the flood wires go. 01:30:53
This year we're not expecting. 01:30:56
High elevations of. 01:30:58
Utah Lake, but in previous years. 01:30:59
I believe it was 2023. We've had quite a. 01:31:02
High elevations on util light on Utah Lake. What this does is evaluates and. 01:31:05
Right here is quite simply the 100 year flood and then the 500 year flood. 01:31:11
What that says is a chance of a high level flood is. 01:31:15
Once every 100 years or once every 500 years? 01:31:20
Doesn't mean that. 01:31:23
If it happens once, it won't happen again. 01:31:24
100 years from now or 500 years from now, I. 01:31:27
My previous city I I came from Florida. 01:31:31
I've experienced 100 year flood. 01:31:34
Probably 3 times in one year. 01:31:36
It's not fun. 01:31:38
But that's. 01:31:40
Pretty much saying this is a this is a chance of it happening 1%. 01:31:41
Happening three times in one year. 1% was for the. 01:31:46
Pretty far on the on the right, there's a historical flooding and flooding disaster declarations in Utah and this has a 01:31:49
historical. 01:31:53
Kind of picture showing that. 01:31:58
What ultimately the goal is that if a declarations. 01:32:02
As a flood decoration is done, it has as minimal damage as possible. 01:32:09
Typically if it's a state level declaration. 01:32:14
It reaches a threshold of X amount of dollars of damage. 01:32:17
And if we can minimize that decoration. 01:32:21
By doing all the by doing these. 01:32:25
Measures up front. 01:32:28
It's better for the community. 01:32:29
Embarrass for the state. 01:32:31
Moving on Vineyard specific updates. 01:32:33
We've, you know, I would hope that everyone who lives in Vineyard is obvious to them. 01:32:36
There is. We have a large body right next to us. 01:32:42
You know those comes with a. 01:32:47
Pros and Cons The pros is this very beautiful lake for you know it provides towards a quality of life etc. The Collins is you know 01:32:49
obviously when it comes to flood it is a. 01:32:54
Source of flooding. 01:33:00
So the flood impact shoreline properties, infrastructure specifically, we do have lift stations that are long. 01:33:02
Within vineyards. So we do. 01:33:09
Maintain Ensure that flooding does not impact our lift stations. 01:33:11
Which? 01:33:16
Conveys a sore to. 01:33:17
The area away from the public. 01:33:19
And of course, public access, specifically roads. 01:33:21
What is the city required to do the city, and not to spend your city but all cities, is required to adopt updated floodplain 01:33:25
regulations. 01:33:29
Make sure that they're regulating development and flood areas. 01:33:33
To ensure structures are protected specifically. 01:33:36
And of course. 01:33:40
We do that through ensuring that we're issuing permits specifically for. 01:33:42
Development in flood plains. 01:33:47
So specific permits. 01:33:49
Addressing developments that would be in a floodplain. 01:33:51
Because we need to consider public safety, development impacts and, of course, compliance. 01:33:54
Here is a snapshot of the. 01:33:59
Proposed flood map. 01:34:01
Specifically for vineyards. 01:34:03
This is 2026. 01:34:06
Preliminary map. 01:34:08
There's a link. 01:34:09
On the bottom I actually I do have the website open on my computer I can. 01:34:10
I'm happy. 01:34:14
Now or afterwards? 01:34:15
Or even after the. 01:34:16
Planning Commission is over. 01:34:18
To walk anyone through. 01:34:20
Through the map itself. 01:34:22
But kind of just a snapshot, the flood hazards and vineyards are. 01:34:24
The shoreline along Utah Lake along the West. 01:34:30
Not specifically in vineyards, but does affect the vineyards. Linden Marina. 01:34:33
As well as. 01:34:38
Portions of the lakeside power plant and a small portion kind of tearing. 01:34:39
On the Northside, where the. 01:34:44
Yard would be. 01:34:46
Those are the main areas of for. 01:34:47
Where flood hazards. 01:34:50
Have been identified. 01:34:52
Everything else, the Blues is where. 01:34:54
The identification are. 01:34:58
But those are technically outside. 01:35:00
So what people are able to do is. 01:35:04
Go to this map and kind of zoom into their areas. 01:35:08
And kind of see. 01:35:11
FEMA also has a website. 01:35:13
Where you can actually where you can enter into enter an address. 01:35:15
And kind of see your address specifically. 01:35:18
On the when I'm support, yeah. And this is not just for Utah specific, this is nationwide. 01:35:21
As well. 01:35:27
So jumping into what the proposed ordinance, so make sure it was draft. It doesn't take any effect until the City Council 01:35:29
officially adopts it. We anticipate June. 01:35:34
As the number one thing it does is it aligns. 01:35:40
Vener City with the National Flood Insurance Program. 01:35:45
This is important to the public. 01:35:49
And of course been your city is a help allows. 01:35:50
To maintain the eligibility for federally backed flood insurance. 01:35:53
So if you if. 01:35:57
Your homeowners are able to get flood insurance. 01:35:59
Even if they don't live specifically in a flood zone. 01:36:03
If you live in a floodplain zone. 01:36:06
Not so much here in Utah, but. 01:36:08
I dealt with this quite a bit in Florida. 01:36:11
You know mortgage companies require. 01:36:14
The flood insurance to be to to. 01:36:17
To have flood insurance. 01:36:20
And then of course and I've had there's instances where. 01:36:21
Insurance companies kind of go into the whole. 01:36:26
How did the water damage enter the house in Utah? We do have those basements for there's not, but how water interests of the 01:36:28
house. 01:36:32
Is important. 01:36:36
And these are federally backed insurance programs. 01:36:38
It adopts FEMA flood maps. 01:36:40
Which is which takes effect. 01:36:43
June 23rd, 2026. 01:36:45
As the basis for the floodplain management, So what? So what this ordinance does is. 01:36:47
Says that we're utilizing these maps, which is. 01:36:51
On the previous slide, the proposed map on the on the GIS website. 01:36:54
Which? 01:36:58
Was put together by the state of Utah. 01:37:00
Using the FEMA data. 01:37:02
In order to use that as a basis to. 01:37:05
How we drive our. 01:37:09
Regulations. 01:37:11
And what areas have to abide to those? 01:37:13
Flood regulations. 01:37:16
And of course it requires A floodplain development permits for any development inside a flood. 01:37:18
Hazard Area. 01:37:22
That is something that. 01:37:24
Patrick and myself and the planners as well as the building department handle on our side. 01:37:26
Bottom line, it takes make sure that's a. Structures within these areas are. 01:37:32
Equal to. 01:37:37
Their finished floor, so the Congress. So when you walk into the livable areas, the concrete elevation. 01:37:38
Is at least one foot above the base flood elevation. 01:37:44
They're designed. 01:37:49
To resist flood forces as well. 01:37:50
Residential as well as commercial. 01:37:53
And they're utilizing certain specific. 01:37:56
Materials. Utilities. 01:38:00
And that the impacts that. 01:38:02
Excuse me that when they do the development that it's not changing. 01:38:05
The floodplain. 01:38:09
Zones that you know what they do does not impact. 01:38:11
Their neighbor. 01:38:14
Like put and this is. 01:38:15
A lot of this, a lot of this is common. 01:38:18
Would be considered common sense. 01:38:20
You know you don't want to impact your neighbor by pushing. 01:38:24
While causing increasing. 01:38:26
The floodplain on their. 01:38:29
On theirs, that actually has civil implications. 01:38:31
You know, if you're building inside an area with that. 01:38:35
I could be prone to flooding. 01:38:38
The course you want to use. 01:38:40
Proper materials, putting proper utilities. 01:38:42
And of course you want the structure to. 01:38:45
Resist. 01:38:47
Being damaged from flooding. 01:38:49
And then the elevation. Of course you don't want the water to go inside, however this codifies it specifically. 01:38:50
And I can say in Florida where? 01:38:57
Flooding is more prevalent. 01:38:59
The 12 inches above the. 01:39:01
Base flood elevation is very common. 01:39:03
Some areas have it 18 inches, some areas have 24 inches. 01:39:06
24 inches is pretty excessive. 01:39:10
18 inches and Florida is kind of the norm, but again we're talking about areas that. 01:39:12
See 100 year flood. 01:39:17
Every other year, apparently. 01:39:18
On that. 01:39:21
So the additional thing it does. 01:39:24
Is on the Ministry of Enforcement. This actually goes a couple steps above. Is it? 01:39:27
I identify as a public works director or designee. 01:39:33
As a floodplain administrator. 01:39:36
In essence, what they do, what it says, is that. 01:39:38
This that there's an entity that actually makes the call. 01:39:41
On when it comes to flat plane decisions. 01:39:45
My last city in Florida. 01:39:48
We actually have flop doesn't a. 01:39:50
A person that was a floodplain manager, it was a specific role. 01:39:53
For the. 01:39:57
Purpose, you know, don't want to get too much, get us through the planners. But she was she, she was a planner. 01:39:58
And was a very good floodplain manager and she was also the assistant. 01:40:05
Emergency Manager. 01:40:09
So she was very in tune to a lot of that stuff, but. 01:40:10
At the end of the day. 01:40:14
The final decision making. 01:40:16
What it fell on to me as a public works director in Florida. 01:40:18
The city is responsible for reviewing development. 01:40:23
The development proposals. 01:40:26
Maintaining records. 01:40:28
And they're coordinating with FEMA state agencies. 01:40:30
The first and third one really doesn't change. The third, the one, the second one. 01:40:33
Is really just kind of. 01:40:37
Making sure that it's codified, that it puts the responsibilities on the city. 01:40:40
Luckily and gratefully, we have an awesome building department. 01:40:45
Team that is very meticulous when it comes to record keeping. So we don't foresee any additional. 01:40:49
In essence, additional work on the city. 01:40:56
But that was also put some additional. 01:40:58
Tools into our toolbox. 01:41:01
Allows us to have stopped work orders. 01:41:03
As well as fines for $1000 per day in jail time for violations of. 01:41:06
Public Works is not planning on building in jail. 01:41:11
In our facility, so we are. 01:41:13
Just looking we would just really really be looking at working with code enforcement for fines, the stop work orders. 01:41:16
On this before, what we would do is we would use public health as our. 01:41:21
Mechanism. 01:41:26
For a stop work order or work with our building official. 01:41:26
This ordinance. 01:41:31
Which is a model from this state. Which is the model. We use the model from the state. 01:41:33
Would actually allow. 01:41:38
A stop work order from the Public Works director specifically. 01:41:39
For this reason. 01:41:43
On that. 01:41:45
Talking about the public process, where there's a public process period, we've posted on our website, but it's from May 1st to May 01:41:48
31st. 01:41:52
And kind of outlying. 01:41:57
We're having our public here our. 01:42:00
Public input period. 01:42:02
Through multiple means. 01:42:05
One of the means is through the Planning Commission where we're presenting. 01:42:07
The public can submit comments, attend meetings which is this one, speak in person which if anyone would like to. 01:42:10
But they all can also provide input. 01:42:16
Online, Uh. 01:42:18
Or by e-mail or physically and in the mail. 01:42:19
On that. 01:42:24
We have a link on our. 01:42:25
On a social media where they can do. 01:42:27
I'll do that as well. 01:42:29
So this is what we've gotten from what we refer from the public so far. This is across Utah. This is not specifically for 01:42:32
Vineyard. 01:42:35
But here are some questions. 01:42:39
People have said the map is hard to use. 01:42:42
Some I would sometimes agree with. 01:42:44
But they've made it there's, they've taken that and tried making it. 01:42:47
Love it, easier to use. 01:42:52
The website, the link that we have. 01:42:54
Is the Utah County. 01:42:56
Did a great job with making a much friendly user map. 01:42:58
This the. 01:43:02
Map as you know. 01:43:04
I was, hopefully they're not listening to me right now, but it's kind of par with the federal government. 01:43:05
They make it hard to use. 01:43:10
If it's not hard, impossible to use, then it's not the federal government's map. 01:43:12
But Detox County has a great floodplain interactive map. 01:43:16
On that SO. 01:43:20
And a lot of people get this question, we get this question, I want to say a lot, but we do get this questions that do I have to 01:43:22
get flood insurance? 01:43:26
If you ever call our office and ask us that question, we will never say yes. We will never say no, but we say that. 01:43:30
We will always tell people that it is. 01:43:36
You're right to get the flood insurance even if you're told not to. 01:43:38
If you're told you have to. 01:43:41
Then obviously there might be a reason as to why. 01:43:43
The city does not require flood insurance. 01:43:46
However, lenders are typically the ones that do. 01:43:50
Required if you own your home free and clear. 01:43:52
And you choose not to get flood insurance. That's a risk. 01:43:56
That people take. 01:43:58
Depending on what's going on. 01:44:00
And where you're located. 01:44:02
Which map should I use? 01:44:04
The updated map which will be effective June 23rd. 01:44:06
A20002026. 01:44:10
Is the map. Is the map to use. 01:44:13
Why is this changing? 01:44:15
Bottom line, there's been updated data that's been made available from from FEMA. 01:44:17
And this these maps and this process is taking that into. 01:44:23
It's always good to get to use. 01:44:28
It's always good to use more updated information as modeling gets more advanced. 01:44:31
Bottom line, we are not increasing risk, we're just better understanding it. So that's what the map says. 01:44:36
And then the last one is, can the city fix this? 01:44:42
He asked the engineers. We always say we can always. We can fix anything as long as you were given enough resources and allowed 01:44:46
to. 01:44:49
Very much. 01:44:53
Demo or anything? Anything we're allowed to but. 01:44:54
Bottom line, the regulations are based on risk, not just infrastructure. 01:44:57
We do have, we do put a lot of infrastructure into the ground, storm drains. 01:45:01
Infrastructure, we have pumps specifically around our lift stations and so forth. 01:45:05
To ensure that we're protecting our critical infrastructure. 01:45:10
And but there are kind of acceptable, I would hate to say acceptable risks as well. 01:45:14
One, I would say, and this is not so much here in Utah, but for example, Florida. 01:45:20
A good example the 100 with when 100 year flood comes along. 01:45:26
The part of the flooding, acceptable flooding, is the streets. 01:45:30
We have. 01:45:35
Max. So the crown of the road and. 01:45:36
Is where the 100 year flood will go up to. 01:45:39
Which allows. 01:45:41
Emergency vehicles to navigate the streets. 01:45:43
However. 01:45:45
You know, the streets do have water and it's. 01:45:46
And that is just comes down to. 01:45:48
Kind of a the cost benefit of what if you try to build the streets so high up that. 01:45:51
They're above the 100 year flood. 01:45:56
Then, of course, the costs have to go somewhere. 01:45:58
On that, that's just an example, example of how we've tried to balance a safety. 01:46:01
And, of course, fiscal responsibility. 01:46:06
What we do is we ensure that. 01:46:08
Homes, property and lives are protected. 01:46:11
Was #1. 01:46:14
So what does this mean in vineyards? Future developments must meet these requirements, so. 01:46:18
That we evaluate what we've already talked about Alpine. 01:46:23
You would ask, why wouldn't they? 01:46:27
I would ask the same question. Why wouldn't they either? 01:46:29
But this is. This codifies it. 01:46:31
The impact of the public. 01:46:34
This changes the flood zones and vineyards. There's minimal changes specifically, however I always encourage people to look at the 01:46:35
maps themselves. 01:46:39
To get more details. 01:46:42
New building requirements such as being the finished floor of the house or the buildings should be 12 inches above the 100 year 01:46:44
flood. 01:46:47
Like the flood? 01:46:52
But that's only for new building permits or if there's major renovations. Those are typically. 01:46:56
The threshold is done typically through the building official and what that threshold would be if there had to be any kind of 01:47:02
modifications to a building. 01:47:06
Again, the question comes down to is why wouldn't someone want to build their building? 01:47:10
In a way that protects their building. 01:47:13
This disqualifies it. 01:47:16
Potential insurance impacts. 01:47:17
I my opinion is I don't see many. 01:47:20
If any in Vineyard City specifically. 01:47:23
Other cities such as Provost City. 01:47:25
Maybe Saratoga Springs and so forth may be seeing a lot more of the changes impacts. We we went through something similar with the 01:47:28
updating on maps for. 01:47:32
Fire hazards. 01:47:36
Where there was a lot of APACS, changes of impacts for fire hazards. 01:47:38
For structures. 01:47:43
Along like areas where the foothills like Springville etc. Bigger city. 01:47:45
Is a great location where. 01:47:50
We're kind of in the. 01:47:52
Perfect hub where? 01:47:53
We are kind of protected by a lot of these things. 01:47:54
Bottom line, does not affect. Not all properties are affected, but. 01:47:57
This is the public input to ensure that people have the ability to see this. 01:48:01
So debate takeaways is the ordinance is required. 01:48:07
Clients tied to FEMA. 01:48:10
Map updates. 01:48:13
What it does is it protects infrastructure investments. 01:48:15
It also allows us to have continued, allows the community to have continued access. 01:48:19
To flood insurance and federal funding eligibility. 01:48:25
Provides clear regulatory regulation. 01:48:28
Framework. 01:48:32
For developments and flood prone areas. 01:48:33
AS shifts the risk mitigation to upfront design and construction. 01:48:35
Rather than post disaster costs. 01:48:41
This kind of this follows. This is important falls into the. 01:48:43
Have the people of the builders have the original. 01:48:47
Developers etc. 01:48:50
Pay for items that. 01:48:51
Or. 01:48:54
The construction and designs. 01:48:56
To make things safer versus try to do it in the rear. 01:48:58
After the fact. 01:49:01
I've been in situations on this city. 01:49:02
Fortunately, but where? 01:49:05
All developments and so forth were the cities bearing the cost to. 01:49:07
Bear the R2. 01:49:12
Pay an infrastructure to protect the home and such. 01:49:14
And it is. 01:49:17
A heart is a hard cost to to bear. 01:49:19
Regardless, and that's where we have grants. 01:49:22
However, we like to use the grab money. 01:49:25
Towards other things versus? 01:49:26
Something that could have been prevented. 01:49:29
On that. 01:49:31
And then the adoption, excuse me, it keeps the city in good standing with the National Flood Insurance Program we always want to 01:49:32
be. 01:49:36
Have good standing with insurance companies. 01:49:39
Now usually that's usually a no win scenario whenever you fight against insurance companies I think. 01:49:42
But keeps us a good standing also helps allow having these ordinance helps. 01:49:48
Keep insurance cost for a flood. 01:49:53
Insurance costs. 01:49:55
Lower. 01:49:56
As well, we don't see it here in Utah as much, but. 01:49:57
Now for them. 01:50:01
Another example for example, but there's great like you know we have. 01:50:03
CRS score. You know the numbers the scores were. 01:50:06
Do where the cities try to do things to help. 01:50:09
Lower the score. 01:50:12
Down because it does affect a. 01:50:13
Citywide. 01:50:15
On that. 01:50:16
And that establishes clear and enforceable development standards. 01:50:19
That is the end of my presentation. Do you have any questions? 01:50:23
Thank you so much for that Nasim. 01:50:27
Just a quick clarification with it. 01:50:31
This has been. 01:50:34
Reviewed by the city attorney and it already. 01:50:35
Complies with Allstate and federal requirements. 01:50:39
So I have. 01:50:43
And forgive me for not having the answer right away, I know that this. 01:50:45
Draft that we've. 01:50:49
We provide that we have. 01:50:51
Has gone to the state so that we use the state ordinance. So the state provided. 01:50:53
It's their standard. 01:50:59
Yeah, the state, in essence provides the standards of the ordinance they gave us. 01:51:00
Want the base standard or a very strict standard? We went with the base standard. 01:51:04
On it then, fortunately enough for us, it was fill in the blank. 01:51:10
OK, we're like we like fill in the blank type standards I. 01:51:14
Especially when it comes to floodplain, but to but to answer that question specifically and to the point, we will make sure that 01:51:18
the attorney prior to go State Council has had the chance to provide an opinion on it. 01:51:24
OK, second question, is this an update to an existing? 01:51:31
Floodplain ordinance or is this brand spanking new? 01:51:35
So the cities of flood ordinance. 01:51:38
I would say has had a flood codes and regulations however. 01:51:41
This would be more of a major overhaul. 01:51:46
In terms of, in terms of that and also if it was brand new. 01:51:50
In essence, yes, and also. 01:51:53
Puts the cities on a baseline. 01:51:54
This is where it's going to be. 01:51:57
Versus having cities out on their own. 01:51:59
Well, that's great. So you're not going to get any builders or contractors saying, oh, vineyards hard to deal with. 01:52:01
We're doing the same thing that ORM and Provo and Linda everyone else is doing. 01:52:06
So we we also attended the Today, we actually attended the Home Builders Association government Paris meeting. 01:52:10
Along with our building official. 01:52:18
Where builders? 01:52:20
Vocalizer. 01:52:24
Grievances. 01:52:25
Towards cities regulations, and this has not been one of them. 01:52:26
OK, wonderful. 01:52:29
Are there any other questions? 01:52:32
I just want to make sure the adoption of this ordinance. 01:52:34
Become in effect on June 2nd when the City Council adopts it. So the adoption of the ordinance, they'll adopt the ordinance on 01:52:37
June 2nd. 01:52:41
When it's presented but the maps are not effective till June 23rd. Well. 01:52:45
June 23rd will technically be the where is where it will be effective. 01:52:51
Well, it's an ordinance, so there's two readings. So the first one would be. 01:52:56
June 2nd, yes went there and then the second ones ratify. It will be the second meeting in June. 01:53:00
OK. So yeah, so you correct me. Thank you, Sir. 01:53:04
I got I'm going to make sure I go back and update my staff report for the City Council. But yes, Sir. 01:53:08
OK. 01:53:14
Great. Any others? 01:53:15
Is there any community engagement or education or like? 01:53:17
Training of sorts. 01:53:22
With this at all? Like, yeah. 01:53:24
Yeah, OK. 01:53:26
Yes, that's a FEMA website. I'm just curious like how we get the word out if in case of an emergency. I know that like locally 01:53:27
they're groups and that's a good question. And so in terms of this ordinance, this is specifically talking about new construction 01:53:33
and new developments. 01:53:39
Specifically. 01:53:46
To probably. 01:53:48
So. 01:53:50
Excuse me, the. 01:53:52
Public input on social media and also. 01:53:55
With this planning. 01:53:57
Is in essence the limit on this because it's really kind of affecting developers and builders. 01:53:59
Specific. 01:54:04
The in order to do some public engagement for. 01:54:06
What to do if you're affected by flood and those type of emergencies scenarios? 01:54:09
That's the type of public engagement of course we get to have for with the community. 01:54:15
But that's not what this is specifically talking about. Yeah. OK. But yeah. And, and FEMA does have actually Utah, the state of 01:54:21
Utah's Public Department of Public Safety, it does have. 01:54:26
Very good resources on. 01:54:32
What to do if you happen to be in a flood? 01:54:34
And such. 01:54:37
And yeah, and they do provide good training. They provide trainings to. 01:54:38
Government agencies on. 01:54:43
How to assist and then, but more importantly. 01:54:45
How to assist on the FEMA recovery portion of it? 01:54:48
FEMA. 01:54:52
The documentation, they're very particular about documentation. 01:54:54
And they they do provide those trainings on how to help. 01:54:57
Homeowners through the documentation process. 01:55:00
But I'll pass it. We'll pass along the information in regards to. 01:55:03
Gain word out in regards to emergency response and management for the public. 01:55:09
In a general sense. 01:55:13
Don't think too much about it, all right? 01:55:19
Any other comments? 01:55:22
All right. Thank you. I know that wasn't a whole lot of input back to you, but hopefully that gave you enough to just modify a 01:55:24
couple things before then presenting to the City Council. I think getting out ahead in the presentation about in the event of a 01:55:29
flood. 01:55:33
Just saying hey. 01:55:37
Even though that's not necessarily addressed in the ordinance. 01:55:39
Be aware that. 01:55:42
These are the. 01:55:43
Potential responses for it as well, and when we. 01:55:44
Take it to City Council. 01:55:48
Present that I'll talk to our just a slide at the beginning of the presentation. OK, that says. 01:55:53
This is not an emergency response. 01:55:58
Ordinance, so you know. 01:56:01
There are methods for that. And now let's talk about the really fun legalese that's great, gets excited about. That's great. Thank 01:56:02
you. 01:56:06
Great. 01:56:10
Well, thank you so much. 01:56:11
All right, we'll close that item. 01:56:13
And move on to staff and Commission reports staff, is there anything worth reporting on that we haven't already addressed? 01:56:14
All right, hearing none. Commission, is there anything worth reporting on? 01:56:23
We aren't required to with the work session. What I would recommend members of the public if you do have any comments or 01:56:30
suggestions. 01:56:34
For. 01:56:38
Regarding the floodplain. 01:56:39
Naseem did offer. 01:56:41
Afterward to walk through websites and any of that, highly recommend that you do that. 01:56:43
Come. Thank you. 01:56:48
OK, seeing no other reports, we are going to go ahead and adjourn until our next meeting. 01:56:51
I imagine well there. 01:56:56
Be one later in May. 01:56:58
Or likely June. Do we know yet? 01:57:00
Or TBD. 01:57:02
TBD. 01:57:04
Wonderful. 01:57:05
OK. Thank you, everyone. 01:57:06
Have a good night. Thank you. 01:57:08
Good night. 01:57:09
It takes too many. 01:57:19
So resolutions are the data of ordinances into the first meeting and then it follows up the next meeting. 01:57:24
It has to be the regular. 01:57:47
So it would be. 01:57:51
All righty. 01:57:59