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  • Mayor Fullmer opened the meeting at01 PM.              CLOSEDSESSION
  • Mayor Fullmer called for a motion to go into a closed session. Councilmember Holdaway asked for clarification on what they could discuss before they went into a closed session. City Attorney Jayme Blakesley explained the process and reason for going into closed sessions. A discussion ensued.
  • Motion: COUNCILMEMBER SIFUENTES MOVED TO GO INTO A CLOSED SESSION IMMEDIATELY IN THE CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS TO HOLD A STRATEGYSESSIONTODISCUSSPENDINGORREASONABLYIMMINENTLITIGATION. ROLL CALL WENT AS FOLLOWS: MAYOR FULLMER, COUNCILMEMBERS CAMERON, CLAWSON, AND SIFUENTES VOTED YES, COUNCILMEMBER HOLDAWAY VOTED NO. THE MOTION CARRIED FOUR (4) TO ONE (1).              ADJOURNMENT
  • Mayor Fullmer adjourned the meeting at07 PM.     MINUTES APPROVED ON:   April,25   CERTIFIED CORRECT BY:        Pamela Spencer, CIty Recorder
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Event transcript
All right, everybody. 00:00:01
Today is April 21st, 2025. The time is 5:01 PM and we're going to go ahead and start the City Council meeting. 00:00:02
This special session. 00:00:11
Today we are. 00:00:13
Preparing to go into a closed session, so I just need a motion to go into that session. 00:00:15
I meant to go into. 00:00:24
Can I make a comment? 00:00:26
Before we do, is there any part of this that we could do? 00:00:28
In an open session, even the topic. 00:00:32
I see a great percentage of this could be done. 00:00:36
And I do know there is a small section, but I believe. 00:00:39
Probably couldn't. 00:00:42
But I do believe a great percentage of this could be done to educate. 00:00:44
And I know that's our preference of the council. I don't have, I don't have anything on the agenda to discuss, but Jamie is there. 00:00:51
Well, the the purpose of the closed session is to discuss pending or reasonably imminent litigation. 00:00:58
And the reason you do those discussions in a closed session is to. 00:01:05
Preserve privilege and not provide information to. 00:01:10
The opposing side in the lawsuit? That would disadvantage the city. 00:01:14
So I would recommend the conversation occur during. 00:01:18
Closed session. 00:01:21
OK. Can I thank you? 00:01:22
Then I can respect that. 00:01:23
The percentage or a section of that? 00:01:25
Have we received an e-mail threat? 00:01:29
Of litigation or any correspondence from the litigation. 00:01:31
That would require that. 00:01:34
So it looks like in order to protect yourself from that litigation or from any potential litigation, we would want to discuss 00:01:37
that, not here to give any advantages. 00:01:41
Outside of this discussion to. 00:01:46
In the opposing but wouldn't we want to disclose if there's actually been conversation or a threat? 00:01:48
Even if it were. 00:01:54
No, not during an open meeting. 00:01:56
All right, I need a motion to go into a closed. 00:01:58
Here at closed session. 00:02:01
I moved to go into a closed session. 00:02:05
Oh wait, Marty, you are already read it. 00:02:10
Yeah, kind of. 00:02:13
I just wanted Jake to be able to finish what he was saying. 00:02:16
Jake because I. 00:02:19
Jake, I want you to understand my perspective on this. 00:02:21
I want. 00:02:25
The community to know about. 00:02:26
As much as possible. 00:02:28
But if it comes to something that could make us legally. 00:02:30
Uncomfortable in a bad legal position? That's not protecting this city's best interest. 00:02:33
And I don't think it's a wise move to discuss any of this in the public. 00:02:38
And and I understand that Jamies advice is is going to be an attorney-client privilege and all of that, but I think. 00:02:43
There's good. 00:02:49
90% of. 00:02:51
The topic. 00:02:52
Why? Where we feel? 00:02:54
Education to the voters of situations and then going into a closed door session to where you. 00:02:56
And especially all of you can say something on the clothes. 00:03:03
Especially your feelings are protected. So if you guys don't want to share or. 00:03:07
Just to keep, just to keep us on it. 00:03:13
Your schedule I would say this. 00:03:14
Jake, I recognize for the crowd that you would like this. 00:03:16
To come to the public, I feel like you've stated your opinion clearly. 00:03:20
Marty, you have stated Europe. 00:03:24
Opinion clearly that you feel. 00:03:26
This said we. 00:03:29
You care about transparency and additionally you want us to be. 00:03:30
Something that we discuss in a way that. 00:03:34
Teach and protect the citizens so that we stay out of liability. 00:03:37
Would that be? Yeah, OK. And then? 00:03:41
Sarah or Brett, is there anything that you would like to add or state? 00:03:44
For the record, for the public. 00:03:48
And and make a statement. 00:03:50
I'm going to give everybody one last statement. I'll. 00:03:53
Yeah, go ahead, Jim. I'm not on the council, but if I can mention one other thing. Yeah. 00:03:56
You're prohibited from making any decisions during a closed session. 00:04:00
So the purpose of a closed session about pending a reasonably imminent. 00:04:04
Litigation is. 00:04:08
To provide strategy input. 00:04:10
To me as the legal representative for the city. 00:04:13
To then inform. 00:04:15
Decisions that relate to litigation. 00:04:17
There will be no decision. There can't be any decision. 00:04:19
That's great. OK. 00:04:23
Thank you for that, Jamie. That is clarifying for the public, Brett. 00:04:24
I would just say that that I. 00:04:28
Generally would follow the. 00:04:30
Council of. 00:04:32
Of our of our attorney. 00:04:34
And in in that mindset. 00:04:36
I would go into. 00:04:39
The closed session have a discussion in. 00:04:41
To reinforce what he was just saying is that we can't make any decisions. 00:04:43
In closed session, so I'm that that makes me comfortable. 00:04:47
OK. Sarah, is there anything that you would like to add? 00:04:50
No does that. 00:04:57
Jake, you try to make this look like it's something that's not good. And if you had been at the. 00:04:59
Retreat or the. 00:05:04
Conference. 00:05:05
In the session with Mark Christiansen. 00:05:06
The the manager of Saratoga Springs, he was really clear that this is really beneficial thing for our city. 00:05:09
And a way to protect our city. 00:05:14
And so for you to. 00:05:16
Go against it I feel like. 00:05:17
Is not helpful. 00:05:20
All right, it looks like. 00:05:21
Just the point of order. No, I'm still managing this. 00:05:23
Please listen. 00:05:26
I have given you the ability to state. 00:05:27
What you feel and what you would like to see. 00:05:30
Marty responded. 00:05:33
I gave the same respect to Brett. I gave the same respect to Sarah. 00:05:35
It's been clarified by. 00:05:39
Legal. It looks like we have a majority that would like to proceed in advance. 00:05:40
So we're going to head and call for a motion to keep us on track. 00:05:45
Marty, you have. 00:05:49
Started. 00:05:50
And then Sarah, but either all right, I moved to go into a closed session immediately in the in the City Council chambers to hold 00:05:51
a strategy session to discuss pending or reasonable imminent litigation. 00:05:57
OK, we have that first by Marty. Can I get a second? 00:06:02
2nd. 00:06:06
OK, does this need to be done by roll call? 00:06:07
Jake No. 00:06:09
Brett. Aye, aye, Marty. Yes, Sarah. 00:06:10
Yes. All right, that moves us into our closed session. 00:06:13
Do I need to adjourn it OK? 00:06:18
The meeting is adjourned. 00:06:20