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Event transcript
Meeting the time is 602. 00:00:00
It's December 10th, 2025. 00:00:02
For the first item of business, we have a consent. 00:00:07
At Santa with our RDA minutes. 00:00:10
Can I get a motion? 00:00:13
Set left. 00:00:16
All right, so we have a first by Marty. Can I get a second? 00:00:18
2nd. 00:00:21
Second by Brett. All in favor. 00:00:22
Aye, any opposed? 00:00:24
All right, that brings us to our first business item discussion and action reimbursement agreement with Vineyard Properties for 00:00:26
Utah. 00:00:30
Of Utah for 1750 N infrastructure and pump house. 00:00:33
And Josh is going to present. 00:00:38
Our RDA director. 00:00:42
Great. Thank you. 00:00:43
In the past, vineyards, Rdas. 00:00:45
Utilize. 00:00:48
Reimbursement agreements with. 00:00:49
Vineyard Properties of Utah, the developer that has done a lot of the development work in the north part of the city for the 00:00:52
industrial park. 00:00:56
Previous Rd. expansions and things like that. 00:01:00
This is a. 00:01:04
This is a reimbursement agreement to reimburse the cost of installing a sewer, lift station or pump. 00:01:06
House and the other infrastructure that goes along with that. 00:01:12
That would serve that particular. 00:01:16
Industrial. 00:01:19
Development and and a lot of water users and sewer users there that would come into the. 00:01:21
To the. 00:01:26
Sewer service area. 00:01:27
So the total cost? 00:01:31
Is estimated not to exceed $3.1 million. 00:01:32
It's likely to come in a little less than that. 00:01:36
It would be completed over the course of the next calendar year. 00:01:39
And then what would happen is the RDA would reimburse the. 00:01:43
The actual costs of that particular project. 00:01:46
In 7 equal. 00:01:49
Annual payments. 00:01:51
Starting in. 00:01:52
February of 2027. 00:01:53
And for the next six years after that till. 00:01:55
The. 00:01:58
Cost has been paid. 00:01:59
OK. Are there any questions from the board? 00:02:04
OK, it doesn't look like there are any questions. If there are no questions, I need a motion. 00:02:14
I'll move to approve the. 00:02:25
Reimbursement agreement with Vineyard Properties of Utah for seven. 00:02:27
1750 N infrastructure and pump house. 00:02:30
All right, we have our first. 00:02:33
By Ezra to adopt the resolution U2025-06, can I get a second? 00:02:34
2nd a second by Marty. Any further discussion? 00:02:40
All right, I'll do this by roll call take. 00:02:44
I. 00:02:47
Brett, all right. 00:02:50
Aye, Marty. Yay. 00:02:52
And Ezra? 00:02:55
Aye, all right. 00:02:56
OK, Yeah. 00:02:58
4.2 Discussion and action Detention basement reimbursement agreement resolution U2. 00:03:01
U202505. 00:03:07
Is to approve a reimbursement agreement for the environmental remediation. 00:03:10
Of the former Jimmy the Steel detention basin. 00:03:15
So yeah, during. 00:03:18
Operation of Geneva steel mill they had a closed loop system for. 00:03:21
Waste, essentially. 00:03:26
As part of their cooling pond operation. 00:03:29
The final destination for materials from the cooling pond. 00:03:32
Would end up in this detention basin. 00:03:35
Which is here on the northwest corner. 00:03:38
Of the redevelopment area or the the former industrial site. 00:03:40
So as you can see it in this. 00:03:45
Map right here from, you know, satellite imagery. You can see some some water here. 00:03:47
This detention pond here. 00:03:52
Has. 00:03:54
A lot of the material that is impacted. 00:03:55
And sediment from that solid waste from Geneva steel mill. 00:03:58
And so under Rickra, which is the federal environmental laws that. 00:04:04
Apply to industrial uses of. 00:04:09
And creation of solid waste. 00:04:13
The Department of Environmental. 00:04:16
Quality of Utah. 00:04:18
Will impose some type of a corrective act. 00:04:19
Plan on. 00:04:22
The sort of final resolution and remediation of the the various materials and waste that's found as sediment in the bottom. 00:04:24
Of this detention pond. 00:04:32
So up until this point. 00:04:35
Anderson Geneva has been doing work to identify the types of materials. 00:04:36
That are located in this. 00:04:41
Detention Pond. 00:04:43
And the next step is the Department of Environmental Quality, DEQ, who you'll actually hear from. 00:04:44
In the new year, we have a presentation plan to just talk a little bit more about. 00:04:50
Solid waste management and the environmental remediation work happening happening more broadly throughout. 00:04:55
The whole site. 00:05:01
But this is the last. 00:05:02
Section of the former industrial site. 00:05:03
That needed to have this. 00:05:07
Review and study of the type of material. 00:05:09
To classify and categorize. 00:05:13
What materials are there? 00:05:15
Which will then inform A corrective action plan by by DEQ. 00:05:17
So. 00:05:21
This agreement is a reimbursement agreement. 00:05:22
For the RDA to then. 00:05:26
Pay on a reimbursement basis the actual costs related. 00:05:27
To what that corrective action may be. 00:05:31
And so so that's what this agreement does. 00:05:35
We have similar reimbursement agreements. 00:05:38
For the other environmental remediation work that's happening in other. 00:05:41
Sections of the area, so like just on this map as you can see that Camus. 00:05:44
Which stands for Corrective Action Management Unit. That's the large. 00:05:49
Multi football field size. 00:05:52
What looks like a pile of gravel, but as you know is the containment unit for. 00:05:55
Impacted materials and and solid waste that. 00:05:59
Have been tapped. So there's existing reimbursement agreements for the environmental remediation work that's taking place in these 00:06:02
other sections of the site. 00:06:06
But this section here where the detention pond is. 00:06:11
Is the last section that needed to undergo. 00:06:14
A review and identification of the types of materials that are. 00:06:16
Forming the sediment in that. 00:06:20
In that. 00:06:22
Pond, if you will. 00:06:23
And so this agreement is to pay. 00:06:24
On a reimbursement basis that remediation costs related. 00:06:27
To corrective action that will be prescribed by. 00:06:31
By DEQ. 00:06:34
OK. Are there any questions from the board? 00:06:38
Yeah, so it's my understanding and I spoke with Ben Steyerman from Forest. 00:06:41
Fire and state lands, they own the property, correct? Yeah. It's the state of Utah that owns this property here. 00:06:46
They had no clue as of this afternoon that this was actually happening and it came news to them that. 00:06:51
We would be using RDA money instead of going to the state for them to do the remediation. 00:06:58
They haven't had any substantial conversations in about two years with flagships about doing a. 00:07:04
Land swap with them. 00:07:10
And the plans that they have set forth are so preliminary. 00:07:12
And what they would do, but they would want to keep that as public as possible. 00:07:16
And so I see no value in doing this in a December meeting where we don't even know what the flagships intent. 00:07:20
Even if whatever their intent is. 00:07:27
They don't own that property anyway, and in speaking with the state they would want that as open space, more like a. 00:07:29
Park where there wouldn't be any business. 00:07:36
Or ability to turn that into. 00:07:39
Tax increment to be able to. 00:07:42
To recover. 00:07:44
That type of money. 00:07:45
Having said that, we haven't even gone to the citizens to even tell them that we're thinking about. 00:07:47
Getting such an infringement onto the lake like. 00:07:53
This is right on the lake that. 00:07:56
That Western. 00:07:59
Uh, wall to the settlement is a man made. 00:08:01
**** that separates us. 00:08:04
And this is going to be a multi $1,000,000 cleanup. 00:08:07
They didn't say in the. 00:08:11
Hundreds of 1,000,000 but it was in the. 00:08:13
10s of millions of dollars. 00:08:15
So putting any type of housing. 00:08:16
Or even a building will not be. 00:08:18
Economically feasible to ever be able to give citizens. 00:08:21
Their money back in the investment. 00:08:26
And since the state is not here, since they are the land owners of this property. 00:08:28
I see no value in passing a resolution to give. 00:08:33
Flag borough money for cleanup. 00:08:36
On a property that they don't own in the business and the owner of the property is not here. 00:08:39
Thanks. They were very clear about this. I was like. 00:08:47
Yeah, this is what I read through it and I asked because. 00:08:51
I know them very well. 00:08:54
Yeah, my understanding is just. 00:08:55
Simply at a broad level. 00:08:57
The intent of. 00:08:59
The RDA and its existence and the utilization of. 00:09:01
Tax increment is. 00:09:04
You know, first priority environmental cleanup and given that this was a component of the. 00:09:06
Geneva steel mill process. 00:09:10
This should be covered by. 00:09:12
You know, that same funding source to? 00:09:14
To do the cleanup. That was my understanding. We do have representatives from flag. 00:09:16
Borrow if they wanted to come up. 00:09:20
Maybe speak more to it. 00:09:23
We get that. 00:09:25
As well. We got that. Oh, you want me on camera? 00:09:29
You're beautiful. 00:09:34
Once you get a handsome face, thank you. 00:09:36
Thank you. 00:09:41
The RDA board Pete Evans for flagship. 00:09:43
And Anderson, Geneva. 00:09:46
So. 00:09:47
Councilman Holdaway is exactly right. 00:09:49
So the state, the state of Utah, owns this property? 00:09:51
This We're not proposing a development plan. 00:09:54
And so the funding. 00:09:57
For this would be the RDA. 00:10:00
So this would not be like a like a. 00:10:03
A plan like. 00:10:06
Water's edge or? 00:10:08
The downtown area where we're looking at. 00:10:11
Infrastructure and saying, OK, we're going to pay back. 00:10:13
Or the source of the revenue for the RDA is going to come from? 00:10:17
The property tax increment that will be created here. 00:10:22
This is more of the last of the environmental cleanup. 00:10:25
There's lots of areas within the. 00:10:28
The URA area or the RDA area? 00:10:30
That don't. 00:10:33
Produce its own tax increment. 00:10:34
They're environmentally. 00:10:36
Impacted areas. 00:10:38
That are fall under the mandate of the RDA for environmental remediation. 00:10:40
And they're not. 00:10:44
Are being reimbursed by the tax income generated. 00:10:45
On that site. 00:10:49
They're being reimbursed by the tax. 00:10:50
Increment generated. 00:10:52
In the overall. 00:10:54
RDA area and that's what this would be so. 00:10:55
We're not saying that. 00:10:59
This is going to be a. 00:11:00
A site that's going to be developed and there will be property tax coming off of. 00:11:02
This site that's going to pay for this environmental cleanup. 00:11:06
We're saying. 00:11:09
This is kind of the last piece of the puzzle of the environmental cleanup. 00:11:10
On the URA OH. 00:11:14
Area overall. 00:11:16
And the former Genita steel mill. 00:11:17
Everything else in the. 00:11:19
In this area has been. 00:11:21
Characterized his. 00:11:22
And there's a plan that's been proposed. 00:11:24
There's an RDA agreement already in place for. 00:11:27
The environmental claim of those areas. 00:11:30
Except for the detention pond. 00:11:33
And you probably have noticed maybe. 00:11:35
Over the last several months, the water. 00:11:38
In the detention pond has disappeared. 00:11:40
That's because we opened up that detention pond so that we could. 00:11:42
Dry it out as much as we could. 00:11:46
And characterize and sample. 00:11:48
The material, the sediment that's in the bottom of that pond. 00:11:50
Now that we have that characterization and the quantification. 00:11:53
We're able to put a plan together. 00:11:57
To take to DEQ. 00:11:59
That plan will have to be approved by the state of Utah. 00:12:01
Because they own that property. 00:12:04
But the environmental cleanup? 00:12:06
And the funding source for that? 00:12:09
Is the RDA and the tax increment coming off of? 00:12:11
The entire RDA, not this property. 00:12:14
Right, but the reason why originally that was removed and not? 00:12:18
Included in the. 00:12:22
From the beginning was because it was state owned property. 00:12:23
Like that's sorry to interrupt you, but that's always been part of the RDA area. 00:12:27
Right. But there's never been an agreement in place on this and the state even when you guys went met with them, you went to him 00:12:32
and said. 00:12:35
Could we do a land swap and we will do improvements to. 00:12:38
To clean it. 00:12:42
You're not the one financing it. 00:12:43
They did not know that you were coming to us, the citizens, to do the cleanup when they. 00:12:45
Found that out today. They were like. 00:12:49
No, that is not what our understanding. We were understanding that Flagborough was bringing cash to the table to do. 00:12:51
To do the remediation. 00:12:57
And that's why I think, yeah, this needs to be kicked down the road and go. 00:12:59
Let's because the state has billions of dollars to clean up their own property. 00:13:03
Tiny little Vineyard city and also a new small school district. 00:13:08
And I want to clean it up just like, yeah, this is one of our small clean up the detention 100%. No, this the state won't clean up 00:13:12
the detention pond. I had a great conversation with them today. This is a great project where senators can come in and understand. 00:13:19
The Vineyard City does not need. 00:13:26
To pay for World War 2 all by themselves there are certain. I mean, I don't disagree with you that there are certain properties 00:13:28
that do not qualify. 00:13:32
Yeah. This property because it is state owned will qualify for federal dollars and that's the approach that we need to go. And if 00:13:36
they're the land owners. 00:13:41
We need to have them here. 00:13:45
Them think because. 00:13:47
You're asking a billion dollar entity that's massive for the state to come in and say, hey little vineyard, could you pay for 00:13:48
this? 00:13:52
And there's a reason why that was left out from the beginning. 00:13:55
And they they explain that to me today. 00:13:59
Sorry, wait. Please. 00:14:02
I was just wanted to make a comment that. 00:14:04
One of the mechanisms the state provided vineyard was the RDA in order to clean up. 00:14:06
The contamination and do remediation. 00:14:13
It's actually within scope and it was a mechanism that the city or that the state. 00:14:16
Provided. 00:14:20
For the city to be able to do. 00:14:21
And so I I feel like this is within the scope of the RDA. 00:14:23
To to put forward. 00:14:26
Anybody else from the board have a comment on this? 00:14:29
I mean, I guess I would just say in closing the. 00:14:34
If there are, if there are federal fund dollars available, that's better for everybody. 00:14:37
The more money that stays in the RDA, the more the city and the RDA can spend that on other things and so. 00:14:42
We're fully committed. If those dollars are available, we'll seek those dollars. 00:14:48
The reason why this was not included in it was included in the original. This is part of. 00:14:52
The permit. 00:14:57
And it is part of the RDA boundaries. 00:14:59
This was not part of the. 00:15:01
The material management agreement that we have with the US Steel. 00:15:04
And so it wasn't part of. 00:15:08
There. There never was a plan for this yet because we didn't know the character and quantity of what was there. Now we do. 00:15:10
Now we'll take that to DQ and seek to get that. 00:15:16
Mediation plan approved. Well that was going to be my comment reading that it was a. 00:15:19
State owned properties in. 00:15:23
In reading the physical impact that that's in the. 00:15:25
Staff report. 00:15:28
Was it feels a little premature to be committing to a reimbursement agreement without. 00:15:29
Any estimates? 00:15:36
Well, it's not only the estimates, but they want to know because they own it. 00:15:37
Like when I told him, hey, we're going to be doing this, they were like. 00:15:41
What is their plan? What are they building? What are they going to do? What does the switch off? 00:15:44
And they were like, you can't even talk about cleanup yet. Like, what? What are you putting in agreement in? This is our land that 00:15:48
we're sovereign over this. 00:15:51
And I said, yeah, this is getting really early. So it's like. 00:15:55
If we could take your plan of what you're thinking about doing? 00:15:57
Because that's their first step. They go you. They need to come to us first. 00:16:01
And whatever park like whatever, you know. 00:16:05
Condos or whatever we're thinking about doing. 00:16:08
Go to them and say and then that's going to be a very long process. 00:16:10
You know, they even talked about involving conservative Utah Valley and a lot of other entities to get. 00:16:14
And and they said this will be for public use. 00:16:19
Not for. 00:16:23
You know, other things. 00:16:24
Then once they got that dollar amount. 00:16:26
There would be some sort of an exchange with you to for wetlands or other things. 00:16:28
And then there would be some dollar amounts. 00:16:33
At that point is when they said. 00:16:35
They would either be coming for the federal government or the state dollars or the RDA. 00:16:37
But right now? 00:16:42
We don't even know what we're. 00:16:44
What we're proposing on that and I was like. 00:16:46
Yeah. And I, I think we're talking about two different things. 00:16:48
We're talking just strictly about environmental cleanup. 00:16:50
And you're talking about the eventual development or whatever that becomes? 00:16:53
And but as a taxpayer, you got to realize it's like, what are we getting for that cleanup? 00:16:57
Right. It's like, what is the end product? 00:17:03
And if we're not going to even tell the taxpayer? 00:17:05
Hey, just start cleaning up 10s of millions of dollars and it's for. 00:17:07
You know condos. 00:17:11
They would say, well, no, so it doesn't come that way. It's got to be this is what the taxpayers would be getting. 00:17:12
Like design work. 00:17:18
And the landowner owns. 00:17:19
But then we agreed to clean it up. Yeah, I understand what you're saying. I disagree that. 00:17:21
Those are. 00:17:27
Tied together, I think. 00:17:27
The purpose of the main purpose of the RDA was environmental cleanup. 00:17:29
And we ought to clean up this site. 00:17:33
So that's my question, regardless of what? 00:17:36
Is put on it. 00:17:38
It will need to be cleaned up. 00:17:39
You are saying you want to try to find ways for federal government. Can I finish for the federal government to do it? 00:17:41
You're saying that? Yeah. Let's explore that. 00:17:48
But also we want to start cleaning this up, so that's why we're making an agreement. 00:17:50
One of the things that. 00:17:54
It will happen into the new year and talking with the new council is is like cleanup is important. It'll happen. 00:17:56
When you've switched the lines from a private party into a public private party partnership. 00:18:01
The public have a right to know. 00:18:06
In an exchange for if we clean this up, what are we actually getting and for many years? 00:18:08
Back in the old days it was We are getting a. 00:18:13
Movie theater, we are getting an X and in this we don't even know what we're getting, but we're getting the cleaned up land right? 00:18:17
But which is really important you're you've been singing this song for so long. So my my concern right here. 00:18:23
Is uh. 00:18:29
This is my last meeting. 00:18:30
I've debated so many things on all these different boats. 00:18:32
But my concern for this new Council is. 00:18:35
Are you going to slow down? Clean up? 00:18:38
Are you going to halt it because so long you've been screaming and crying about how you want cleanup? 00:18:40
And you want to make sure nothing happens until we get cleaned up. 00:18:45
And then now you're saying I'm sure don't. 00:18:48
Want to clean up and you want to wait? 00:18:51
I'm sure that Pete will come back. 00:18:52
Go and meet with the land owners, the state. 00:18:55
Help them understand because they're very about. 00:18:58
Getting a bigger buffer and and wetlands and. 00:19:01
Open space or whatever. 00:19:04
And then they can come and say that is good enough for us and they'll tell us how much it costs. 00:19:06
And then based off of that, then yeah, you come back and you say, hey, let's clean it up. 00:19:10
But you can't just. 00:19:14
If we continually ask taxpayers to. 00:19:16
Pay for something without ever even knowing what will be the end result. 00:19:21
That's where we're getting into. 00:19:25
In the trouble. 00:19:27
So yeah, you clean up, but. 00:19:28
Hey, what if we're cleaning up that specific plot? What are we getting? 00:19:30
Let's know that and. 00:19:34
Let's know the total dollar amount of cleanup that that's going to take before we start. It's just not a blank check like. 00:19:36
We're going to be cleaning this up. 00:19:42
Because sometimes. 00:19:43
World War 2 cost more money than a tiny little Vineyard city can do all at once. And it might be. 00:19:45
It might be we have to be strategic. 00:19:51
With this massive plot of land that we can only be going this year, Pete, we can only be doing this and this product needs to go 00:19:54
out and we have to get businesses to go in that specific land. 00:19:59
And then we'll go clean up the next property. But if we're going to go to. 00:20:04
You know, 700 acres that just let's go clean it out. 00:20:08
This current tax. 00:20:11
Burden, we can't do that. It's putting out too much product of too much land and we need to be laser focused to be able to bring 00:20:13
as much money back to the. 00:20:16
To the taxpayer, well, I just think that we need to be clear, this won't raise our taxes. 00:20:21
This cleanup. 00:20:26
Is the way the RDA works and I'm explaining this for the public because I'm not trying to. 00:20:27
Explain something you know. 00:20:31
But umm. 00:20:33
To be able to use money to clean. 00:20:34
Up the RDA line, that money has to be produced by the RDA. 00:20:37
And so that's not. 00:20:41
That's actually I'm not even in the RDA. The RDA is in. 00:20:43
So much part of the city and so Utah City and the development there will be generating that. 00:20:47
Tax revenue. 00:20:53
To work on cleanup and frankly, I wish that you would come in. 00:20:54
Two years ago or a year ago and actually talk like this because I feel like we could have gotten a lot more done. 00:20:57
Where you're actually trying to be constructive. We asked to be on the agenda day one. 00:21:03
No, Yeah, this is point of order, Point of order. Let's go back to the discussion. Point of order, point of order. Hey, Jake. 00:21:07
Point of order, we're going to go back to the discussion. 00:21:14
Go ahead, Marie. 00:21:16
Aye, OK. 00:21:17
I think that. 00:21:22
Something that I I feel like the city has kind of. 00:21:23
Master plan the area. 00:21:27
As a community and approved some projects. 00:21:29
And and part of the discussion has been we are going to clean up places that are open space. 00:21:31
Part of the discussion is that the cleanup will come back and they will have to show receipts for what's being cleaned up. And I 00:21:38
think that's. 00:21:42
Within the scope of the RDA. 00:21:45
So I feel like that. 00:21:48
Puts a cap on it. It's not a blank check. 00:21:49
For spending rather it's. 00:21:51
Receipts back for the. 00:21:53
Cleanup that we are. 00:21:55
Asking for. 00:21:57
So are there any other discussion? 00:21:59
Points on this. 00:22:03
Ezra, did you have anything you wanted to add or contribute to this? 00:22:04
Is there is there language in this RDA that triggers this that allows the new council to back out of this, or is this final? 00:22:07
Hey, Jamie, Before you answer that question, I'm going to allow Ezra to make a comment and then I'll go back to Jake where you can 00:22:15
answer his question. 00:22:18
Thank you. I just had a question about the. 00:22:24
Determination of reimbursable costs. 00:22:27
I I see this agreement as a. 00:22:30
Preliminary agreement that would spell out. 00:22:32
Essentially notifying the public that RDA dollars can be used through. 00:22:35
To clean up this property. 00:22:38
But the extent and the degree of those would still be determined by the RDA in the future. Is that correct in my understanding 00:22:41
reading through that? 00:22:45
Well, so this section of the contract agency reimbursement is for environmental mediation and public infrastructure. 00:22:50
Um, so it's a reimbursement for the. 00:22:57
Actual costs incurred for environmental remediation. 00:23:00
So I mean, it's fairly broad. It's not a specific. 00:23:04
List of things that it would be the things that would be required by DEQ as part of the corrective action plan. 00:23:07
Right, But could we? 00:23:16
Could we add? 00:23:20
Section to that that would. 00:23:21
Require the developer to come before the RDA prior to. 00:23:24
Commencement of cleanup. 00:23:28
But this agreement could then serve to notify the public that that's what these will be used towards. 00:23:30
And. 00:23:35
The future. That way we have an idea of what the future cost would be before. 00:23:36
Agreeing to it because I could see. 00:23:40
I could see this going a number of ways deke you might require. 00:23:42
Something astronomical, that. 00:23:46
Don't have sufficient funding in the RDA for but. 00:23:48
We would want to chase those opportunities before agreeing to it. 00:23:50
Yeah, that sounds reasonable. So you. 00:23:53
Basically, a proposal would be out of provision of the contract that requires. 00:23:55
Those doing the environmental remediation, like in this case maybe Anderson, Geneva, Flagborough. 00:23:59
To brief the RDA. 00:24:04
On the scope of the work and the cost estimates of that work before undertaking reimbursable work. 00:24:07
Yes, I think we get out of provision like that. 00:24:14
And I had another. 00:24:17
Question or clarification that I that I wanted to make. 00:24:20
Because the the the current concern that I have is that we are. 00:24:23
Committing RDA dollars in a way. 00:24:27
That disincentivizes seeking federal or state dollars. 00:24:30
Because I agree that we should be seeking as many dollars outside of the RDA for this kind of work as we can. 00:24:35
Especially when the property is owned by by the state. 00:24:40
And I don't want us to be in a situation where. 00:24:44
Have committed. 00:24:46
RDA dollars in a way that. 00:24:48
Makes it so nobody's incentivized to go see. 00:24:50
Other dollars that might be available. 00:24:52
I also want to point out I am not negative. 00:24:55
Paying or putting money towards. 00:24:58
And doing a federal partnership like he's saying. 00:25:01
Where it could be like a 10%. 00:25:04
And then 90% federal government, right? 00:25:07
My only concern is that. 00:25:09
The owner of the property didn't know this was happening and I don't want. 00:25:12
And and so if they don't, if they don't know this is occurring and we're signing a contract. 00:25:16
For it to occur. 00:25:21
Like, you know, in terms of. 00:25:23
Of what exactly? 00:25:26
How? It just seems premature like that doesn't mean I wouldn't. 00:25:28
Commit to in the future. 00:25:32
It just means that there are so many more and that's what they said. There's so many hoops to. 00:25:34
What are we trading like? 00:25:39
They haven't even gotten into the negotiation process of. 00:25:41
What they would be getting for the swap of this land? 00:25:45
In exchange and then. 00:25:49
What would be the your design of? 00:25:51
What would be the end? 00:25:53
Product that tells us how much of A cleanup of like what grade and where. 00:25:54
And like. 00:25:59
To Ezra's point, like if it does come back like a huge dollar amount. 00:26:00
It's like, wow, I don't know if I want to commit that at the beginning of the RDA like right now. 00:26:04
Like we need to be strategic with the limited amount of RDA funds that we have. 00:26:09
To get a business. 00:26:13
You know, so we can lower our taxes. 00:26:15
And just entering into this. 00:26:18
Already like. 00:26:20
In December, on walking out the door, it's like, let's, let's let. 00:26:21
Get the plan in front of us. 00:26:26
It seems like. 00:26:28
The landowner, I mean. 00:26:30
That this development group is already caring for the property and testing it and going after cleaning right now. 00:26:32
I don't think. 00:26:39
Reviewing this contract or this agreement in any way disincentivizes. 00:26:41
Opportunities to go for federal dollars. 00:26:46
I do know that. 00:26:49
Federal dollars are constantly being brought to our door. 00:26:50
For review. 00:26:54
For this project so. 00:26:55
I I feel like that will. 00:26:57
Go hand in hand. 00:27:00
Does everybody? Did anybody? 00:27:02
Have any thoughts about Ezra's provision? 00:27:05
I feel like it's. I love the provisions. Yeah. I think it's a good idea to be brief. 00:27:09
Yeah, I think that improves it a lot like before any dollars are spent. 00:27:14
But what are you saying needs to be done like the state needs to? I think the landowner needs to sign off like. 00:27:19
For it tips like it's not just us, right? Yeah. 00:27:25
So I think basically that that remediation plan should come before. 00:27:28
The board prior to them. 00:27:32
Just going and doing it and that's going to require them to go to the state. 00:27:34
To get permission to get authorization. 00:27:37
And that that that won't necessarily require them to have a full plan of what's going on in the property. 00:27:39
But it will require them to say, here's the level of cleanup that we want to accomplish. 00:27:45
And I think that is good for our residents to know. 00:27:49
This this money is going to go to clean up this property and if we wait for the state. 00:27:53
To work through all their processes. It's not going to be done before I'm dead, so. 00:27:58
Frankly, I I do like the idea of moving forward with something, but I do want to make sure. 00:28:02
That. 00:28:07
There's no permission to begin that cleanup until. 00:28:08
The council is informed of. The RDA board is informed of. 00:28:11
Here is the plan. Here's the estimated cost. 00:28:14
And that way we can. 00:28:17
Pleasant plan for that and I think but I would say more than informed, I would say vote like they vote to commit because. 00:28:18
And that's OK, because then once you have that information, you're like, OK, there's the end product. 00:28:25
Of what we would be getting. 00:28:30
OK, let's make. 00:28:32
Because I think it's what? 00:28:32
It could be a beautiful site. I mean, it's right between all of our beachfront. 00:28:33
But it it. 00:28:39
It depends on. 00:28:41
Like I talked about, you can't clean the whole thing up all at once. 00:28:42
Could we add another provision that? 00:28:46
Basically says that. 00:28:47
This any action that's proposed would be subject to. 00:28:51
The council approving it in or the RDA board approving it in their budget. 00:28:56
That way. 00:29:00
We can vote and say, OK, these are the expenses. We determine the budget. We vote for the budget. 00:29:01
And those would be the steps. So the developer would be responsible for bringing forth a plan, working with the state, bringing 00:29:06
that to the board. 00:29:09
And then the board could appropriate it in their budget. 00:29:13
If they agree to the plan. 00:29:15
Yeah, yeah. So. 00:29:18
Kind of what I'm hearing. 00:29:20
In the way I'm thinking about this is we could define the reimbursable costs as. 00:29:21
Those costs. 00:29:26
Approved by the RDB. 00:29:27
A board in the future? 00:29:29
Pursuant to. 00:29:32
Maybe in a? In a? 00:29:34
An accepted or approved like. 00:29:36
You know, application of sorts from the. 00:29:38
The developer. 00:29:40
With listed. 00:29:42
Projects and and costs that the RDR. 00:29:43
RDA board budgets. One thing to think about on the budgeting piece of it. 00:29:46
Oftentimes, we reimburse. 00:29:51
Actual cost overtime. 00:29:53
Sometimes we don't pay in real time all the costs that were incurred. 00:29:55
So like if you were breaking up the payments overtime? 00:30:00
There just might be some complexity from the budget. 00:30:03
Perspective. But I think you know. 00:30:05
What you could do is just budget. 00:30:06
Budget those expenses as they come in. 00:30:08
Kind of plan for them maybe in like capital projects or something like that. 00:30:11
Anyways, I think we can accomplish that within. 00:30:16
An amendment or, you know, a change to the language? 00:30:19
So. So what is the commitment tonight like? 00:30:22
To that we're committing that we should. I'm seeing a lot of shells in there as I read through it. 00:30:25
Like we shall, we shall. 00:30:31
Like we're committing tonight to do this. 00:30:32
We're committing so. 00:30:36
The way that it. 00:30:38
I'm proposing it. 00:30:39
Would commit. 00:30:40
RDA dollars from outside of this specific area to be used towards. 00:30:42
The cleanup which I think would give. 00:30:46
The developers enough assurance to work with the state. 00:30:49
That. 00:30:52
This is even worth basically worth doing. 00:30:53
Is going testing it. 00:30:56
Taking a plan to the state and saying. 00:30:57
Hey, we have this plan. There is funding available. 00:30:59
The amount of funding is determined by. 00:31:02
The RDA board, but. 00:31:04
This is a basically a showing of good faith. 00:31:06
We're committed to cleaning up the site in an expeditious manner. 00:31:09
Because the state will probably sit on their hands unless we. 00:31:12
I in my history of working with the state, it's. 00:31:15
If we're not driving it then. 00:31:18
They're going to take their time with something like this. 00:31:21
Question about that with. 00:31:23
When we're talking about determining. 00:31:25
We'll have a remediation plan. 00:31:28
That comes forward. 00:31:31
But. 00:31:32
How often are they going to me to come back and continuously describing what their? 00:31:33
I mean, they're already going to be returning receipts and we know it's just for cleanup. So the remediation plan that says, hey. 00:31:39
We were kind of briefing you with what the state is requiring. 00:31:45
We've got this. 00:31:49
Opportunity that is needed or what? 00:31:51
I mean they have to work with the EQ so. 00:31:53
It's like you're adding additional red tape for something that. 00:31:56
Really. 00:31:59
You're not really going to be able to calculate inside of a budget. It's going to be what comes up. 00:32:00
As it's happening and. 00:32:05
I guess I'm confused with the. 00:32:08
I think I understand what you're saying and I understand the problem why I would I would not vote for it because I never build a 00:32:11
house saying hey, we don't know the cost, just start doing it and we'll get there. 00:32:16
Things will come up and we'll go. 00:32:21
Like that's how the RV function. I don't think that's what I'm saying. You, you would know because you'd have a really remediation 00:32:23
plan and you'd you'd know the extent of what they were going after. And if they found out there was something else, they'd have to 00:32:27
come back and they'd have to talk about it. But. 00:32:32
I guess I'm just trying to understand how you're packaging that together and. 00:32:37
How how that works long term? Because it makes sense to me to say. 00:32:40
Please clean up the site. 00:32:44
And if you find these things, please return the receipt because. 00:32:46
Our goal is. 00:32:49
Clean up. 00:32:50
Yeah, I want to basically give assurance that. 00:32:51
If you work on this site. 00:32:55
You're totally at liberty to do that, but. 00:32:56
We're ultimately going to be able to say. 00:32:59
You know what? 00:33:01
These are reimbursable expenses and these aren't until we see that plan. 00:33:02
I'm happy if you guys want to take. 00:33:07
Take a risk, it is a risk, and I will. 00:33:08
Acknowledge that to. 00:33:11
To begin, work on a site you might not know you're going to receive reimbursement for. 00:33:12
But if you take that initial risk. 00:33:17
Then bring a plan to the. 00:33:20
The board. 00:33:21
And the Board sees value in it. It gives us an opportunity to authorize the reimbursement of. 00:33:22
Not only those expenses in the future plan, but the ones you incurred. 00:33:27
If we feel that, that's fair. 00:33:30
And I think. 00:33:32
I don't think that's. 00:33:33
Too much to ask to. 00:33:34
Give us an opportunity to determine. 00:33:35
An estimation of what? 00:33:38
What? Uh. 00:33:39
Possibly could be. 00:33:40
Paid for for this reimbursement. 00:33:42
I just feel like what's the? 00:33:44
Point of it. 00:33:46
I feel like. 00:33:48
It would just be something that we would postpone anyway. 00:33:48
In talking with the state like. 00:33:52
They they came to me. 00:33:54
Like I called and I said. 00:33:56
Tell me your plan. 00:33:57
You know, because I got this contract. 00:33:58
And then I got into a loophole of like. 00:34:00
We're not going to allow anything on here except for a private park. 00:34:02
Or something that is so open space sounds like. So how do we recuperate our tax dollars? Like I'm thinking about it for us like. 00:34:07
I mean, I would love a beautiful park and everything like that. 00:34:13
For like, how are we going to go through this? And he's like, we're not expecting you. We were expecting Flagship to pay for this. 00:34:16
You know, internal exchange, OK, we're not on the same spot. So then they walk through their, you know, the conversation of. 00:34:21
A land swap of like how? 00:34:27
You know that could come about. 00:34:29
And they're like, this is going to take many years. 00:34:31
And I was like. 00:34:33
OK. But I need all, I need to know all of these things. I mean, there's so many things I've got to know that we're committing to. 00:34:34
Because they they went into in depth. 00:34:40
How much water? 00:34:42
Of this has seeped down into. 00:34:44
You know that area over. 00:34:47
40 years of using the settling ponds. 00:34:49
And so, you know, those tests are coming back of how dirty they are. 00:34:52
I just don't want to commit Vineyard. 00:34:58
Residence till. 00:35:00
I need to see a total dollar amount and I will. 00:35:01
Throw my great uncles under the bus like no other and they know this as I go and sit with them on the RDA. 00:35:04
We should get a total dollar amount at a good estimate. We can't. 00:35:10
Clean this up and go. It's got to be. 00:35:16
We've got to know. 00:35:18
For each parcel a little bit more. 00:35:20
Dollar and then also a timeline. 00:35:22
Of when that's going to come on the Commission so that we can then sell it to get businesses into then. 00:35:25
Trigger our money getting back like. 00:35:30
To the taxpayer and without that type of information. 00:35:32
I just can't agree to it tonight, but that doesn't mean. 00:35:36
In the future, I like that this was. 00:35:40
But and it wouldn't mean that you wouldn't get it. 00:35:42
You know, but let's. 00:35:44
Get a lot of information first. 00:35:45
Josh, what does the agreement say about shortfalls? 00:35:48
So shortfalls in terms of if the city or the RDA area doesn't generate sufficient increment to pay the cost. 00:35:51
Than the developer doesn't recover. 00:36:01
On a reimbursement basis those costs, so that would be one element of shortfall. 00:36:03
Does that answer the question? 00:36:10
Yeah. Is there anything else that describes? 00:36:11
Well, so it. 00:36:15
Talks about in this paragraph. 00:36:16
Where it says that it's understood. 00:36:17
That the reimbursement obligation of the Agency is limited to increment received by the Agency. 00:36:24
And if there's not sufficient inclement generated. 00:36:29
To fully reimburse the developer. 00:36:32
Then the agency shall have no further obligation to make up any shortfalls. Can we say that on that specific? 00:36:35
Parcel. 00:36:41
Because that's very key, the challenge, because if it's the whole RDA, then that's. 00:36:42
Gonna be tough. 00:36:47
Right. And and the challenge here is that. 00:36:47
It says, you know the reimbursable cost shall be reimbursed to the developer from the property tax increment received by the 00:36:52
agency. 00:36:55
Regardless of whether the property tax increment accrues from the property. 00:36:58
That was the idea that was being explained before, which is that the entire site generates increment. 00:37:03
And that revenue can be used for cleanup, including on land that, to your point, may never bring in. 00:37:09
Property tax revenue itself, if it were just like open space or public. 00:37:15
Park SO. 00:37:19
It's unlikely that the site itself is going to generate significant property tax increment because it'll probably just be, you 00:37:21
know, sort of open space park. 00:37:25
Sort of lakeside, coastal, kind of. 00:37:29
Uses uh. 00:37:33
So so I think. 00:37:35
Maybe to the the point Councilman Rainer mentioned about tying this to appropriated. 00:37:38
Budget, uh. 00:37:44
Expenses based on. 00:37:45
Reports from the developer about what the costs of the. 00:37:47
Plan would be. 00:37:51
Is probably a pretty simple way to do this where you could redefine the reimbursable costs to be. 00:37:52
Or further limit them, so to speak, to the. 00:37:58
Allocated budget. 00:38:01
As appropriated to specific. 00:38:02
Corrective act. 00:38:05
Actions and then that gives you the ability as the board to set. 00:38:06
The budget based on your awareness of what? 00:38:11
The estimated costs are under the corrective action plan. 00:38:13
Is there any appetite from the council to allow the state to come here mid January? 00:38:17
Get an agreement so that they would feel comfortable and go through the financial side of grants and also federal cleanup. 00:38:23
Because I don't mind getting going bored. 00:38:30
But like. 00:38:33
Like you said, the state cleanup stuff. 00:38:34
First understanding that. 00:38:36
And you know, I want to see your first question. 00:38:39
I do not think it makes sense for us to work with the state to give them tax increment financing to. 00:38:43
Run this project when they are going to. We're not giving the state. We'd still be giving it to Pete, but. 00:38:51
What is the agreement then? I guess I don't understand that What is the we're giving flag where our money for someone that the 00:38:57
owner does even know that they're. 00:39:00
Doing it on like that that. 00:39:04
But like, we've got to know. 00:39:06
And they're in this negotiation. So it's like. 00:39:08
What are your intents? 00:39:10
Because then it would help us understand what we would be getting back. Like what are you going to allow? So what is? So back to 00:39:12
the other question. 00:39:15
What is the agreement that you would be? 00:39:19
Trying to have come from FFSL if the state. 00:39:22
If if this if they could show that there is an intent. 00:39:25
Not even that they're going to do it. 00:39:29
But there is an intent. 00:39:31
To do a swap. 00:39:33
This is this. They described this as. This is so high level, like LRS at this point it's still so high. 00:39:34
But there's not come up to the Microsoft. There's not. 00:39:41
It's not as in depth in terms of the like you guys haven't identified the land that you'd be swapping for, right? 00:39:44
Like where's? 00:39:51
What's the trade? Yeah, so. 00:39:53
And so we we have had. 00:39:55
Preliminary conversations with. 00:39:57
The state on the possibility of a land swap. 00:39:59
But again, I mean just going back. Way, way way back. 00:40:02
To what I said at first. 00:40:06
I mean, they're really two different issues. 00:40:07
Because I understand what you're saying, like, hey, it would be nice to know if we're going to be generating taxes off of this 00:40:09
site. 00:40:12
To have tax increment to pay for this cleanup. 00:40:15
But the reality is it's sort of irrelevant because. 00:40:19
Whether it's. 00:40:22
Full of condominiums and has a great. 00:40:24
Property tax increment base. 00:40:26
Or whether it's a giant park. 00:40:28
No tax increment off of it. 00:40:30
It needs to be environmentally remediated. 00:40:32
And cleaned up. 00:40:35
And that's what the RDA was for. 00:40:36
And so. 00:40:39
The idea is. 00:40:40
Look, I, I really genuinely believe that. 00:40:43
All of our financial incentives are totally in alignment. 00:40:46
On getting any outside dollars that we can. 00:40:49
To come help pay for this. 00:40:52
Regardless of whether or not. 00:40:54
There's tax increment coming off of this property or not. 00:40:56
If there's federal dollars. 00:40:59
That not just keeps more dollars in the RDA to pay for. 00:41:00
Environmental cleanup on the East side. 00:41:04
Or the groundwater plume, or. 00:41:06
Tenant incentives down the road. 00:41:08
I mean the the more outside dollars. 00:41:10
Come in. I don't think approving this. 00:41:12
Today and Brett to your point. 00:41:15
I don't think approving this today disincentivizes us in any way. 00:41:17
From seeking future dollars from outside sources. 00:41:21
I think we're just as incentivized because there's a fixed. 00:41:24
Pot of money. 00:41:27
And the more that we can allocate that. 00:41:29
Not to this. 00:41:31
The better off everybody is. 00:41:32
Can you speak? 00:41:35
To your thoughts on the two proposed provisions, since it would be different in the, yeah. So I mean, I guess. 00:41:36
In my mind, whether it costs $1,000,000 or $5,000,000, it's sort of irrelevant. 00:41:42
I mean, obviously that's a lot of money and a lot of. 00:41:48
Delta in between them. 00:41:50
But the environmental remediation needs to get done and so. 00:41:52
We would be more than happy to come back to the RDA board. 00:41:55
With the approved. 00:41:59
Plan from. 00:42:01
DEQ which would include the state. 00:42:03
As a stakeholder. 00:42:05
And say. 00:42:06
Look, here's how much this is going to cost. 00:42:07
So that we're all on board with. 00:42:09
What we're doing. 00:42:12
What I would love to see happen is this agreement get approved. 00:42:13
So that we can start that process and say. 00:42:17
Again, I think our incentives are totally in alignment of. 00:42:20
Making sure that we're doing this as efficiently as we can. 00:42:25
So that we're as efficient with RDA dollars as possible. 00:42:28
So that there's other RDA. 00:42:31
Dollars available to do all these other things that we all want to do. 00:42:33
That we're totally in alignment there. 00:42:36
There is no incentive. 00:42:38
For us at all. 00:42:40
To waste money on. 00:42:41
Needless environmental cleanup on this site. 00:42:43
And so. 00:42:45
If we if we're able to start that process, we can go through with DEQ. 00:42:48
Get a plan put together. 00:42:52
Get it blessed by. 00:42:54
Forestry, fire and state lands. 00:42:55
And we'd be happy to come back and have that discussion of. 00:42:58
Hey, you approved the environmental cleanup. 00:43:01
Here's what that environmental cleanup looks like. 00:43:03
And here's how we could layer that into. 00:43:06
Whatever else, the RDA board. 00:43:08
Would like to do with. 00:43:10
Future funding? 00:43:12
With that, I'd like to propose some language if we can. 00:43:14
Just yeah, stay on Section 5 there. 00:43:17
So just adding a sentence. 00:43:19
At the outset. 00:43:21
Subject to. 00:43:23
The review and approval. 00:43:25
Of the RDA board. 00:43:27
And you can even say written, written, review and approval or written. 00:43:31
Review and written approval. 00:43:34
Of the RDA board. 00:43:36
Of the environmental. 00:43:38
The proposed environmental. 00:43:40
Remediation plan. 00:43:41
And then continue it. 00:43:43
And so that way it doesn't trigger anything financially, but it gives them the. 00:43:45
Good to be able to go to the state to say hey they are. 00:43:50
They are willing to pay for this as long as we go through and get a plan that. 00:43:53
I'm OK with that. 00:43:56
Because. 00:43:59
Because then the board will look at it and go it is 10 million or it is 15,000,000. It's a beautiful boardwalk. 00:44:00
This is the end product. 00:44:05
We're not going to recuperate the money, but it's worth it to our citizens to. 00:44:07
To clean it. 00:44:11
That I like that, yeah. 00:44:11
I mean just again. 00:44:13
Just so I want to be totally clear and manage your expectations of what we'll be coming back with. 00:44:14
We don't have a plan for this area. 00:44:19
And we, we won't have a plan for this area when we're doing environmental cleanup. 00:44:22
And so I think that's what needs to change, though culturally we. 00:44:27
We have to start knowing. 00:44:30
Like we have so many projects that we like in the RDA and there's others that like. 00:44:32
Were full. 00:44:37
Utah City isn't popular. Vineyard made its own plan. 00:44:38
We have a plan, but what I'm saying is he's just the cleaning agent. And if it were right now. 00:44:42
And they were dreaming it up. 00:44:47
And our. 00:44:49
The people that started the RDA. 00:44:50
If we would have known the plan then. 00:44:52
We wouldn't have got the money and it's like clean up and do it. 00:44:54
Maybe, but then here's. 00:44:57
What I'm saying is, is that it's not mean for taxpayers to come in and say. 00:44:59
Tell us what the plan is. 00:45:04
Before we give you the cleanup money. 00:45:07
And then say, OK, this is what we're going to be getting. So then we can promise and it doesn't shift. 00:45:09
Because we're investors, right? 00:45:13
If it were a private property and you weren't asking for our money and you were cleaning it up, it would be a whole nother story. 00:45:15
You go do whatever you want, clean it up, don't get approval. Yeah I think I think you're confusing 2 elements of the RDA on 00:45:19
environmental cleanup and tenant incentives. 00:45:23
And I understand like there's the tax increment financing and that's what drives the RDA funding. 00:45:28
But let's just say hypothetically right now. 00:45:33
About 62 acres. That's the detention pond. 00:45:36
We were just coming in and we're just saying, look, we just need to clean that up. It's environmentally. 00:45:39
Impacted. 00:45:44
It's part of the URA. 00:45:45
It's part of the RCRA permit that the URA is. 00:45:47
Mandated to support and it's going to look exactly the same as it does now when we're done with it. 00:45:50
The retention pond is going to look the exact same way. No, I'm saying if we if we said that. 00:45:59
Because I don't have a plan for it. 00:46:04
And we just said it's going to be exactly the way it is right now. 00:46:06
There's just sediment in there that needs to be dealt with. 00:46:09
Just to clarify, I think. 00:46:12
I've heard the word plan used in maybe two different contexts. 00:46:14
One being to the point that you made Councilmember Nair about this language. 00:46:18
That's the environmental remediation plan, as in the corrective action plan approved by DEQ. 00:46:21
And I wonder if there's another use of the word plan as like the future plans for the property. Yeah, mediated. I don't. I don't. 00:46:26
They're two different things. Yeah, I mean that. 00:46:31
I don't care to have the. 00:46:36
Property planned out. 00:46:37
As far as the uses. 00:46:38
Before agreeing that yes, we should use already $8 to clean this up. 00:46:40
Bring that plan. 00:46:44
And then? 00:46:45
I mean that could take. 00:46:47
Six years like we don't know when. 00:46:48
That could even be done. 00:46:50
I would rather see the cleanup start now so that. 00:46:52
Any future council can have an opportunity to say OK now what do we want to do with it? 00:46:54
We could. 00:46:58
But again, just for clarity, you're saying? 00:46:59
We approve this. 00:47:05
We're saying, of course we're going to pay for the remediation. 00:47:06
You're going to go to DEQ, get the. 00:47:10
Plan. Come back here. 00:47:13
For remediation. 00:47:15
And the board is basically going to go. 00:47:18
That looks like the queue gave you the right remediation plan. 00:47:22
Move forward. 00:47:26
Because, umm. 00:47:28
We already approved that. We're going to give you the funding if you bring back the remediation plan. 00:47:29
Yes, and any any other plans for the site? 00:47:33
Would still need. 00:47:36
Council approval at that point, that's right. But yeah. 00:47:37
They shouldn't be different as long as those are kept separate. I feel really comfortable but I but I disagree. Like that's 00:47:40
literally the philosophical problem of like. 00:47:45
We're using taxpayer dollars, millions of dollars in taxpayer dollars. 00:47:50
And by separating, what is the plan? 00:47:55
Then you get back and you say well if private property I can build whatever I want. 00:47:57
And you go, well, no, wait a second. We put millions of dollars into cleaning this up. 00:48:01
And that's my separation here is like. 00:48:05
I don't believe the taxpayer signed up for a blank check to just clean something to say, hey, this is better. 00:48:07
But then a private entity after we've put that public investment. 00:48:13
I can do whatever I want because I know well and I think that's the nice thing is that it's separate. So what you see come back 00:48:17
will go through you and you'll be able to approve that. And what we did as Vineyard was said we want to clean this up and so. 00:48:23
The Council's many before us went and got. 00:48:30
The Redevelopment Agency specifically for that. 00:48:33
In the RDA it does not say. 00:48:36
Then we're going to incentivize and bring something really exceptional. 00:48:39
That allows. 00:48:45
For cleanup, it says. 00:48:46
You're going to do the cleanup. 00:48:48
So that it. 00:48:50
Make space for. 00:48:51
Ideas and plans to come here naturally. 00:48:54
And that's what. 00:48:57
The purpose of the RDA is, I think at this point we've exhausted the discussion and we can go ahead and. 00:48:58
Make a motion. 00:49:04
But there was one question that. 00:49:05
We asked JB to answer. 00:49:07
Is this a legislative move and it can be referendum? 00:49:10
No, this is an administrative action. 00:49:14
What is before you is. 00:49:17
An agreement that would be between Flag Borough and the RDA. 00:49:19
And so it would. 00:49:24
It does provide contract rights. 00:49:25
OK. To the development, that's what's so big. Well. 00:49:27
So I'm. 00:49:31
I'm not suggesting that we. 00:49:32
Tie the hands of a future council to say a plan needs to be done here. 00:49:35
I think that's completely a liberty. 00:49:38
Of any future decision makers. 00:49:40
Because of the language in here it's. 00:49:41
We have to approve it. 00:49:43
To have them start getting reimbursement for the work and so we could at that point say. 00:49:45
We'd like to see what you're thinking of doing at this property. 00:49:50
We'd like to require. 00:49:53
A plan at that time. 00:49:54
I just don't. 00:49:56
I don't really care to tie the hands of a future council either way. 00:49:58
I just want to say. 00:50:01
We are OK with using. 00:50:02
RDA increment dollars. 00:50:05
From the entire area for the remediation of the site. 00:50:07
In theory. 00:50:10
So that you guys can have enough to go forward to work with the state, say hey, the board is OK with paying for this remediation 00:50:11
so this isn't a waste of your time to. 00:50:15
To spend all your staff resources reviewing this and. 00:50:19
And going through this process to help help us create this. 00:50:21
Just so they have an opportunity to move forward, because I do think the state will. 00:50:26
Wait or will sit on their hands until we do something to signal that we're serious about moving forward with this. 00:50:30
We want you to work on this. 00:50:35
But nothing can be done. They won't receive any increment. 00:50:37
Unless, uh. 00:50:40
That remediation plan is reviewed and approved by the board. 00:50:41
And so we, we approve it, OK. 00:50:44
That's a carrot. I'm OK. Is that? Yeah. Could you so you have up on the screen paragraph 5? 00:50:47
In the agreement. 00:50:53
The addition proposed by Ezra and I've added a couple of things to try to capture what you've been discussing and tell me if I've 00:50:56
hit or missed the mark. 00:51:00
Is subject to the prior review and approval by the RDA Board. 00:51:04
Of a plan for the environmental remediation. 00:51:09
That has also been reviewed and approved by the Utah Department of Environmental Quality Comma. 00:51:12
And then it would continue. The agency shall reimburse. 00:51:18
OK. Ezra, are you making that motion? 00:51:21
So they would be, we would need to vote to approve that plan. 00:51:23
There were two actions would be required. 00:51:27
You'd have to create a plan for the environmental remediation. 00:51:29
Environment with the state. 00:51:33
They would. 00:51:34
And then the RDA board would have to approve that plan. 00:51:35
And uh. 00:51:39
The state Department of Environmental Quality would have to review and approve that plan. 00:51:40
Until any dollars is fine. That's right. 00:51:44
OK. I'd be happy to make that motion. 00:51:47
OK, we have a motion by Ezra. Can I get a second? 00:51:49
Let me just state it for clarity. 00:51:53
I would move to approve. 00:51:56
Agenda item. 00:52:00
Sorry. 00:52:02
Resolution. 00:52:05
U 2/20/25. 00:52:06
Dash 5. 00:52:08
Subject to. 00:52:09
The noted revisions. 00:52:11
OK, great. 00:52:14
We have a first by Ezra. Can I get a second? 00:52:15
2nd. 00:52:18
A second I've read this will be done by roll call. 00:52:19
Yes. 00:52:23
Aye, Marty. 00:52:24
Yes. 00:52:26
Awesome. OK, that closes the RDA meeting and we will adjourn this meeting and go back to our. 00:52:27
City Council meeting in just a moment. 00:52:34