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| All right. Welcome, everybody. Today is February 1st, 2023. It is 6:02 PM and this is the Vineyard Planning Commission meeting. | 00:01:20 | |
| I didn't ask anybody, so I will give an invocation and the Pledge of Allegiance. So we'll start with an invocation. | 00:01:31 | |
| Check. | 00:01:38 | |
| Dear Heavenly Father, we're thankful that we could be here today and please bless us as we make plans for the city that we will | 00:01:39 | |
| feel inspired as to what is best and. | 00:01:43 | |
| Make the right decisions. We're thankful for the city and those that volunteer their time and efforts and those that. | 00:01:47 | |
| Are helping others in the city. We're thankful for our police and fire and. | 00:01:55 | |
| All those other people. | 00:02:01 | |
| And if I were a thankful father, we have and we say these things, the name of Jesus Christ. | 00:02:02 | |
| Right, everybody rise for the president pledge. | 00:02:07 | |
| I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, | 00:02:14 | |
| indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. | 00:02:20 | |
| Great. And you want to jump up here with us? | 00:02:29 | |
| All right, we're moving into an open session right now. If you have any comments, please try to limit it to 3 minutes. State your | 00:02:37 | |
| name and. | 00:02:42 | |
| If it's something that's on the agenda, hold off. Open comment is just for things that aren't on the agenda currently. | 00:02:47 | |
| So. | 00:02:55 | |
| I. | 00:03:00 | |
| Hey. | 00:03:09 | |
| OK. | 00:03:17 | |
| Thank you, Daria Evans, Vineyard resident. | 00:03:18 | |
| I just like to make a comment about infrastructure. | 00:03:21 | |
| We need. | 00:03:26 | |
| Work on that before we move on to anything else. I'm experiencing a lot of congestion just this morning. | 00:03:28 | |
| Going over the overpass Center St. to Mill Rd. To get to Center St. you know further. | 00:03:35 | |
| Was a mess. | 00:03:42 | |
| On 800 connector. | 00:03:44 | |
| To Geneva. It's backed up all the way to Mill Rd. | 00:03:46 | |
| And other times that's been. | 00:03:50 | |
| Going the other way, coming W instead of going east. So I really think we need to work on improving our. | 00:03:52 | |
| Infrastructure before we do anything more. Thank you. | 00:04:01 | |
| Yeah. | 00:04:09 | |
| Karen Cornelius I'm a resident as well. | 00:04:15 | |
| I don't think I've ever been to a meeting here where parking wasn't addressed. I intend to continue to address that and really | 00:04:18 | |
| ask. | 00:04:22 | |
| Perfect. | 00:04:27 | |
| How are you guaranteeing those of us who live here today? | 00:04:29 | |
| That this problem will not continue with the new developments that are on the books. | 00:04:34 | |
| It's a nightmare. These people that are having trouble are real people who have realized they're not just. | 00:04:41 | |
| Members out there, these are real people. I have a friend who had to take a hand from job because she lost her job. | 00:04:48 | |
| She doesn't get home until midnight. | 00:04:55 | |
| Like front, like condos. She has to drive over to the cinema parking lot, call her son at midnight to come and pick her up to take | 00:04:59 | |
| her home because there's literally nowhere left to park. | 00:05:06 | |
| We have to take this seriously because it's a quality of life issue. | 00:05:14 | |
| And I don't hear that being taken seriously when I hear we talk about 1.7 parking places or 2.1 parking places. This is real. This | 00:05:19 | |
| is real. | 00:05:25 | |
| And quality of life is everything people put. | 00:05:31 | |
| Their life saving. | 00:05:35 | |
| Into purchasing building living here. | 00:05:37 | |
| And we need to treat them as real people. | 00:05:41 | |
| My other question and concern is about community develop. | 00:05:44 | |
| I I don't know how long this has been a city and incorporated city. | 00:05:48 | |
| But I certainly don't understand why. | 00:05:53 | |
| When we have this many people, we do not have local services. | 00:05:56 | |
| We do not have a grocery store. We don't even have a convenience store. | 00:06:01 | |
| We do not have a dry cleaner, we do not have a drugstore, and I know we have a compounding pharmacy that is plugged right down in | 00:06:05 | |
| the middle of an entertainment district, which is not where it belongs. | 00:06:11 | |
| All this over, there are restaurants. | 00:06:18 | |
| Top golf and cinema. That's not where we want to. | 00:06:22 | |
| Drug store and they really don't. | 00:06:27 | |
| The. | 00:06:30 | |
| Quick drugstore needs, so I think that that really needs to be addressed. Then my other question is I keep hearing about high | 00:06:32 | |
| density. | 00:06:36 | |
| Is there a formula or a percent? | 00:06:41 | |
| That the state gives each incorporated city. | 00:06:45 | |
| As to what their high density versus? | 00:06:49 | |
| They're single family, the one Wings needs to. | 00:06:52 | |
| Because I. | 00:06:55 | |
| Are teetering over way, way too far on my density side. | 00:06:57 | |
| Way too far and I'd like to know. | 00:07:03 | |
| If there is anything that addresses that at all, I think that's very important. Again is quality of life. | 00:07:06 | |
| And his quality of life. And every time I drive by the porch and think of 1500. | 00:07:13 | |
| Units going in there, I just cringe. I'm new. | 00:07:21 | |
| Not sure I would be here if I had known. | 00:07:26 | |
| Because when you. | 00:07:29 | |
| On. | 00:07:32 | |
| About Vineyards plan, these are not the things I read. | 00:07:33 | |
| And then when we go. | 00:07:37 | |
| 1/3 residential to 2/3 residential and now 1/3 business. | 00:07:39 | |
| On that same development, that's a real concern for me. | 00:07:45 | |
| So thank you. | 00:07:49 | |
| There any other public comments? | 00:07:56 | |
| All right. | 00:07:59 | |
| Did you guys want to address that percentage of how many the state requires for the city or. Sure. Yeah and and just yeah, I'm | 00:08:01 | |
| we're happy to to to address concerns and things like that. But we do need to be careful because there was an agendized. We can we | 00:08:08 | |
| can provide basic responses, but we can't do it back and forth. I guess maybe it doesn't meet the open. Yeah, I'm not planning on | 00:08:14 | |
| doing so. I can provide just some general statements. | 00:08:21 | |
| As far as the the number of units, the state does require that that cities adopt A moderate income housing plan and we're going to | 00:08:29 | |
| talk about about that tonight. | 00:08:34 | |
| It does require that that cities allow for higher densities than what are typically allowed in traditional suburbia. And so there | 00:08:39 | |
| there's a lot of strategies that that do push cities. So we are seeing from the municipal level that some of those those controls | 00:08:47 | |
| that have been in their past are are being dissolved from a land use standpoint the the state, I believe it was like a 40,000 unit | 00:08:55 | |
| shortage of the amount of units that are needed. | 00:09:02 | |
| In the state and what is able to be delivered, you'll probably hear some of that. We've heard some of that. | 00:09:11 | |
| In our last meetings as we talked about about density. | 00:09:19 | |
| So there there are, there are some summer restrictions. I mean with our city right now we're pretty much. | 00:09:23 | |
| I mean most of the development, I mean we do have like amendments like the floor just going through where they're asking to to to | 00:09:29 | |
| be able to to change the the, the, the ratios. But for the most part the city is an entitled city in the terms of zoning and | 00:09:37 | |
| design is is established and we do have those entitlements that they're in place so the city. | 00:09:44 | |
| From a property rights standpoint, has to honor property rights that are given through through zoning. | 00:09:51 | |
| There are things, too, with accessory dwelling units. Accessory dwelling units are requirements, so cities have to allow accessory | 00:09:59 | |
| dwelling units and being right in the middle of an urbanized area or the fastest growing county. | 00:10:06 | |
| In in. | 00:10:14 | |
| In the state were projected to be, I think we're kind of jumped back and forth with a couple others, but we're adding over a | 00:10:16 | |
| million people in the next 30 years in Utah County and we're going to surpass Salt Lake County in population. The in Salt Lake | 00:10:23 | |
| County is growing. We're just going to go faster and I think that's that's 2050 and that's. | 00:10:29 | |
| You know that that's reality of being a city in the middle of the urbanized footprint of Utah Valley. | 00:10:36 | |
| The city has done a lot to try. | 00:10:43 | |
| And and provide quality of life with amount of parks. There's not many cities that you're going to see that have the level of | 00:10:45 | |
| amenities and parks that have been master planned into our city. Most neighborhoods have access to multi use trails. The trails | 00:10:51 | |
| connect to the station, they connect to our parks, they also connect to the lake. | 00:10:57 | |
| So those are things that have been that have been thought out. | 00:11:04 | |
| Honestly, what was the other question as far? | 00:11:10 | |
| That was that was the main one parking in a grocery store and stuff and we we can't I'm sorry from a legal standpoint we we we | 00:11:15 | |
| can't do it do it back and forth as far as there be the. | 00:11:21 | |
| Yeah, if you want to talk to Morgan after the meeting, you can you can give you. | 00:11:28 | |
| Yeah, yeah. And the moderate income housing, we can talk about it. The state doesn't necessarily necessarily say like a percentage | 00:11:38 | |
| of your zoning that has to that, that has to be. | 00:11:43 | |
| High density, high density needs to be defined too. So a lot of people just say density and everything is density. One unit per 20 | 00:11:50 | |
| acres is the measurement of density. You know, 500 units per acre that you would have them like in downtown. | 00:11:56 | |
| Like in Manhattan is is a level of density, so. | 00:12:03 | |
| Everything has a level of density. It does require that like some of the state requirements for moderate income housing do require | 00:12:06 | |
| attached housing and and they require cities to look at doing that, especially around where you have transit stations for the | 00:12:13 | |
| transit stations that that's where you're going to find. | 00:12:19 | |
| Multi family. | 00:12:27 | |
| Higher density, you know like your your 14 plus units per acre. | 00:12:29 | |
| That's going to do a lot better around transit and that that'll actually help the transit and the transit helps. That helps the | 00:12:36 | |
| land use as well. | 00:12:39 | |
| And so there's several strategies. The state requires us to have 5 strategies out of their. They have an inventory of strategies | 00:12:44 | |
| that you can choose from. | 00:12:48 | |
| And so we're discussing that tonight. We we currently meet the requirements, but we we have to have an implementation plan and for | 00:12:54 | |
| transportation funding, we actually probably need to adopt another strategy and so Brian will talk about that as well. As far as | 00:13:00 | |
| parking goes, the parking requirements have been increased there. There have been a lot of Facebook things going around that just | 00:13:06 | |
| are not accurate. | 00:13:12 | |
| You know if you look at developments that have been developed, you know after some of the developments on on Mill Rd. Brazilian | 00:13:18 | |
| code was changed to to require more more parking per unit. | 00:13:25 | |
| So let lakefront at residential is one that's that's always talked about and that's and I believe when we did our analysis they | 00:13:31 | |
| had over 600. | 00:13:35 | |
| Surplus from what the base minimum requirement was in the code. And so part of this too is you were dealing with just say a | 00:13:40 | |
| university area where there's lots of students, there's lots of young professionals you have. | 00:13:46 | |
| Silicon Slopes nearby the Orem Provo metro area is a really big employment area and so a lot of our residents work in those areas | 00:13:54 | |
| and people come from out of state to live here. | 00:13:58 | |
| And so part of the two is dealing with with landlords. We have investors who buy units and then try to pack in as many people as | 00:14:04 | |
| they possibly can. The city is working actively with Hoas to identify those units and to do code enforcement and we've been | 00:14:10 | |
| successful in many cases of doing that. We've also worked with multiple apartments to add more parking. The Alloy Concorde Fine | 00:14:17 | |
| Edgewater currently is is adding about 100 parking spaces. We're looking at at redeveloping some of our corridors to to add | 00:14:23 | |
| parking. | 00:14:30 | |
| That that that can help as well. | 00:14:37 | |
| So the city is doing quite, quite a bit, but I mean they're we're just in one of the highest growth areas in the country right now | 00:14:38 | |
| with two universities really close by so. | 00:14:43 | |
| And that's something to you with the Forbes that were required at the very front end that they have a parking management plan. | 00:15:23 | |
| And if they don't provide enough parking, there's a parking study, and that parking requirement won't go up in their next phases. | 00:15:30 | |
| And so it's and that's something that we built into the downtown and those are pretty important because that will actually require | 00:15:37 | |
| a consultant to come out a parking professional who will study the area and see what kind of demand is on the system from those | 00:15:42 | |
| units. And if they don't provide enough, then the parking requirements jump And so it's in the best interest of of the developers | 00:15:48 | |
| to have. | 00:15:53 | |
| To manage their parking and to have enforcement that that tells you know if if people are are parked without permits. | 00:16:00 | |
| Anyway, I mean, we understand the problem and we're we're definitely working on it. Thanks, Morgan. All right, if there are no | 00:16:08 | |
| more public comments, we will move into. | 00:16:13 | |
| Minutes for review and. | 00:16:18 | |
| I make a motion to approve the minutes from January 18th, 2023. I have a second second. All in favor, aye? | 00:16:22 | |
| All right, Moving on to the business item 4.1, General amendment, General Plan Amendment, Moderate income housing. | 00:16:31 | |
| Yeah, this is. | 00:16:38 | |
| Whoops, there we go. | 00:17:51 | |
| OK. Good evening, Planning Commission. Good to be with you guys. I'm Brian Amaya. | 00:17:56 | |
| I. | 00:18:02 | |
| I'm a senior planner here with Vineyard City and the Community Development Department. | 00:18:03 | |
| Morgan gave a great introduction to what what this ordinance is looking to do. | 00:18:08 | |
| So. | 00:18:14 | |
| This one is just talking about the moderate Income housing plan that we're trying to push through. | 00:18:15 | |
| It's a requirement from House Bill 462, which requires municipalities to add or update their minor income housing plans by | 00:18:21 | |
| October, the first of last year. | 00:18:28 | |
| So we did meet that requirement to submit what? | 00:18:35 | |
| Going to be our modern housing plan. We have received communication from them since that ordinance that we submitted that we did | 00:18:39 | |
| need to make some corrections in terms of implementation, measurements, benchmarks and timelines, which I will get to in a minute. | 00:18:47 | |
| So this update requires that the incorporation requires the incorporation of pre selected strategies from Utah State code | 00:18:57 | |
| 10-9A-403 with including implementation. | 00:19:03 | |
| This code outlines 24 potential strategies for cities and towns to choose them that they can select as part of their Modern Income | 00:19:12 | |
| Housing plan. | 00:19:17 | |
| They're lettered A through Z basically, and depending on what class of city you are, you either have to. | 00:19:22 | |
| There's a number of strategies that you have to implement. | 00:19:32 | |
| And because Vineyard is a city that has a fixed guide World Guideway rail station, so for Honor Station, we're required to | 00:19:36 | |
| implement 5 strategies. | 00:19:42 | |
| If we implement 2 more strategies, we basically can add we can qualify for priority consideration of TIFF, TIFF and COVID-19 local | 00:19:50 | |
| instance matching grant program. | 00:19:58 | |
| Umm. | 00:20:07 | |
| And if we do not meet the minimum of implementing at least five of the required strategies from that state code. | 00:20:09 | |
| We basically don't qualify for for that for that funding. So TIFF is transportation Investment Fund funding that comes from the | 00:20:15 | |
| state. It's it's for capital improvement projects having to do with roads. | 00:20:23 | |
| T TIF stands for Transit Transportation Investment Funds, also coming from the state for capital investment projects having to do | 00:20:32 | |
| with public transit. | 00:20:36 | |
| And then COVID-19 local assistance matching program is funding. | 00:20:41 | |
| That comes from the federal government, the American Rescue Plan Act and it's funding for eligible projects. | 00:20:48 | |
| Or services that address the economic impact of the COVID-19 emergency. | 00:20:57 | |
| Projects that qualify include investments in water and sewer. | 00:21:03 | |
| Projects that address housing and security, a lack of affordable housing or homelessness. And there's a bunch of other projects | 00:21:10 | |
| that could also qualify for that kind of funding. So in a past meeting, people wanted to know what those funds were about, what | 00:21:16 | |
| were missing out on or qualifying for. So that provides a little bit of an explanation. | 00:21:22 | |
| To give you a little background on the evolution of this ordinance and where we've been and how we've arrived at this point. | 00:21:29 | |
| On August the 3rd, 2022, so last year you, the Planning Commission, had a work session. | 00:21:38 | |
| With the city staff and with the public, where we introduced the 24, what we introduced. | 00:21:47 | |
| House Bill 462 The requirements. | 00:21:55 | |
| And we laid out all the strategies that we can choose from. | 00:21:57 | |
| The in the Planning Commission meeting that followed right after on the 17th of August. | 00:22:02 | |
| We had another work session where we began to narrow down the strategies that we felt were most appropriate. | 00:22:07 | |
| For Vineyard. | 00:22:14 | |
| In the September 7th Planning Commission. | 00:22:16 | |
| You held a public hearing. | 00:22:21 | |
| And. | 00:22:23 | |
| Decided to recommend for approval to the State Council the following strategies. | 00:22:25 | |
| EFH. | 00:22:33 | |
| OQ&V. | 00:22:36 | |
| Later in my presentation, I'll layout. | 00:22:39 | |
| The strategies that we're currently considering. | 00:22:43 | |
| So that you can see them and have them before you. | 00:22:48 | |
| On September the 14th, the City Council held a public hearing where they approved. | 00:22:51 | |
| Oh, I'm sorry. Let me take a quick step back on that on that September 7th meeting where the Planning Commission held a public | 00:22:59 | |
| hearing. | 00:23:02 | |
| We removed. | 00:23:07 | |
| Strategy I which had to do with single occupancy housing. | 00:23:09 | |
| And there was a concern of our planning commissioners that that that that may. | 00:23:14 | |
| Further affect our demographics for a more family friendly environment, especially within the downtown. | 00:23:20 | |
| And so, umm. | 00:23:25 | |
| That availability for single occupancy housing throughout the city was removed from the strategies. | 00:23:27 | |
| And then on September 14th, the City Council did have that public hearing and strategies EFHLNOQ&V, but not I were officially | 00:23:35 | |
| adopted as by by ordinance. | 00:23:42 | |
| Um. | 00:23:52 | |
| So we did meet the deadline. | 00:23:52 | |
| For that October 1st, 2022 submission where we had to have a modern income housing plan submitted to the state. | 00:23:56 | |
| Along with. | 00:24:04 | |
| Implementation. | 00:24:07 | |
| Tactics. So we have a format within the general plan that outlines. | 00:24:08 | |
| A pretty much a rough estimate of costs and timelines for when we believe that strategies can get done. | 00:24:14 | |
| And that's what we submitted to say based on our form. | 00:24:22 | |
| But they did not fully meet the requirements of the Department of Workforce Workforce Services at the state. | 00:24:26 | |
| Implementation was not detailed enough according to them, and they required more detailed, actionable items and specific | 00:24:35 | |
| benchmarks and measures to support the implementation of our of our selected strategies. So this was communicated to me by a | 00:24:41 | |
| person. Her name is Alyssa Gamble, she's one of the project managers at the Department of Workforce Services, and she relayed this | 00:24:48 | |
| information to me on November the 18th. | 00:24:54 | |
| She 20/22 she told me that Vineyard has. | 00:25:01 | |
| 90 days from October. | 00:25:06 | |
| To amend our modern Income Housing Plan to have specific benchmarks, measures and timelines that the state requires. | 00:25:09 | |
| And so we we went to work. And we we. | 00:25:18 | |
| We amended A revised our minor income housing plan with more deep with more details. | 00:25:22 | |
| Um. | 00:25:28 | |
| So this is what we're bringing before you today, Ordinance 2023-04, which provides those those requirements for the Department of | 00:25:30 | |
| Workforce Services. | 00:25:36 | |
| In addition, this ordinance removes strategy N&O of the, yeah, I'll just pull those up so you can see them. | 00:25:43 | |
| Excuse me, so strategy, N&O? | 00:25:54 | |
| Strategy and is it has to do with providing mortgage assistance for employees of the city or for other public servants working | 00:25:59 | |
| within the municipality? | 00:26:04 | |
| And our conversations, our internal conversations with staff basically it's not something that, it's not that we do not want to | 00:26:09 | |
| work on that as a strategy. It's just because of the time constraints that we're currently in to submit by that October 1st | 00:26:16 | |
| deadline and then the 90 days shortly after. It just requires a little more thought and consideration and analysis of of budgets | 00:26:23 | |
| and different things like that in order for us to make a really well planned and educated. | 00:26:29 | |
| Strategy for what that's going to look like. So for lack of better words, it's kind of on the back burner, but we definitely | 00:26:38 | |
| intend to to look further into that. | 00:26:42 | |
| In the future. | 00:26:47 | |
| And then? | 00:26:48 | |
| Uh. | 00:26:51 | |
| So that's strategy N strategy O. Sorry, I just I never showed you which one that is here on the board. | 00:26:52 | |
| And increase the size of this a little bit. | 00:27:01 | |
| Oh, here we go. Yeah, let's do that. Thank you very much. | 00:27:18 | |
| So it says, implement a mortgage assistance program for employees of the municipality. | 00:27:22 | |
| Employer that provides. | 00:27:27 | |
| Contracted services services to the municipality or any other public employer that operates within the municipality. | 00:27:29 | |
| And then strategy 6, which is also it's strategy 6 in our general plan, but. | 00:27:36 | |
| Oh, within state code 10-98-403. | 00:27:43 | |
| And and just to give you a quick rundown of that, it basically is a strategy for us to partner with different entities. | 00:27:49 | |
| Local, regional or federal that promote the construction of moderate income housing and they also partner with other | 00:27:56 | |
| organizations. | 00:28:00 | |
| That one too, we. | 00:28:05 | |
| We have to research who those organizations are. We don't know who's out there and so we need a little bit more time. | 00:28:08 | |
| But our recommendation tonight, because we do want to qualify for that additional consideration for funding for the TIF funding | 00:28:14 | |
| and the TIF funding and all that is to put this one, sorry, put this one back into our modern income housing plan. So this will | 00:28:20 | |
| this would show up as green again. | 00:28:27 | |
| In our OR I guess would be a condition of approval. | 00:28:33 | |
| Correction in your motion. | 00:28:37 | |
| And then? | 00:28:40 | |
| Just having the strategy would suffice the requirements of the Department Workforce Services, because we've already detailed | 00:28:41 | |
| measures and benchmarks for the other five that are outrightly required. | 00:28:48 | |
| And so I think that by making that motion that'll get us to where we need to be to get that additional consideration. That's why I | 00:28:54 | |
| can just add that's a pretty good one. So as you know, the downtown received the HTRZ debt designation, that's the housing, | 00:29:00 | |
| transit and redevelopment. | 00:29:06 | |
| That that designation and so they're required to have. | 00:29:13 | |
| 11.2%. | 00:29:18 | |
| Of I think 10% was the state requirement and they said well we actually think we can get just a little bit more So they're they | 00:29:20 | |
| propose 11.2, so that's what the state basically approved that was 11.2 and so they have to have the 80% AMI a number of those and | 00:29:27 | |
| so. | 00:29:34 | |
| Anyway, because of the requirement to have that anyway, that this might be an opportunity to partner with with an entity to to | 00:29:42 | |
| maybe get the AMI even down further. | 00:29:47 | |
| So that that that actually would be a good one because we're kind of doing it anyway with with the downtown, we got the | 00:29:53 | |
| designation. So there has to be affordable housing and this could be you know kind of a win win if we could we could get a lower | 00:29:58 | |
| AMI right next to the train station. | 00:30:03 | |
| Cool. | 00:30:10 | |
| Yeah. I guess I lost the Commission. Have you guys had the chance to review the amendments to the strategies that have already | 00:30:11 | |
| been approved or is that something that you guys would like to run through right now? | 00:30:17 | |
| And we can kind of see the changes if you could run through it just for the benefit of the of course, Yeah. So in goal two of our | 00:30:24 | |
| code of the moderate. | 00:30:29 | |
| Income Housing Plan within our our general plan. | 00:30:37 | |
| The goal is here, as I said, encourage and promote affordable housing developments by incentivizing developers to build this type | 00:30:40 | |
| of housing. | 00:30:44 | |
| And so we added strategy three, reduce wave or eliminate impact fees related to moderate income housing. | 00:30:49 | |
| And then the specifics of that, the implementation plan that the state was looking for is the city will establish a program to | 00:30:55 | |
| reduce wave or eliminate impact fees. | 00:31:01 | |
| Related to moderate income housing. | 00:31:06 | |
| Draft plan will be presented to the City Council by the end of 2020. | 00:31:09 | |
| And then the city will Commission a study which will include The analyze will include analyzing reductions of impact fees for | 00:31:13 | |
| moderate income housing units by the end of 2020. | 00:31:18 | |
| This was also a strategy that was incorporated develop and adopt A station area plan in accordance with Section 10-98-403, point | 00:31:26 | |
| One of Utah State Code. | 00:31:31 | |
| The city will choose a consultant by the end of the first quarter 2023. | 00:31:37 | |
| So we're. | 00:31:43 | |
| Around like March, March or April. So and just a kind of for the stationary plan mag is the one facilitating that process. We had | 00:31:45 | |
| four consultants submit. We have the the committee working on that has ranked each of those consultants and we're hoping by next | 00:31:52 | |
| month or you know by the end of this month even to to be able to go into to interviews and potentially have someone under under | 00:31:58 | |
| contract to to start that work. | 00:32:05 | |
| Thanks, Morgan. | 00:32:12 | |
| So continuing the planning process for this project will initiate at the end of the second quarter of 2023, so around July or | 00:32:15 | |
| August. The city will develop and adopt A station area plan by the end of 2024. | 00:32:22 | |
| OK, let's see. So this next goal has to do with providing the framework for the successful integration of a mix of housing types | 00:32:31 | |
| in the communities, various neighborhoods. So this comes from the general plan. | 00:32:37 | |
| Strategy. | 00:32:45 | |
| So this is one of the new strategies that we proposed back in that public hearing with City Council, so that the zone or rezone | 00:32:47 | |
| for a higher density of or moderate income residential development in commercial or mixed-use zones. | 00:32:55 | |
| Near major transit investment corridors, commercial centers or employment centers. So we're already doing a lot of that with the | 00:33:03 | |
| downtown. | 00:33:07 | |
| The study will work with UVU to ensure the establishment of a residential mixed-use zone to accommodate on campus living with | 00:33:11 | |
| ground level commercial uses within the Vineyard South Campus by the end of 2026. | 00:33:18 | |
| Starting in 2023, the city will meet biannually with the UVU Associate vice president of Facilities Planning to coordinate | 00:33:24 | |
| planning efforts between the university and Vineyard City. | 00:33:30 | |
| I just want to add a little note that that is already within you use master plan. That's something that they wish to accomplish. | 00:33:38 | |
| They want to provide much student housing in their southern campus. | 00:33:43 | |
| And we just want to be able to partner with them and make sure that that's carried out appropriately. | 00:33:49 | |
| The Forge Special Purpose Zoning District, which we'll be discussing further tonight, will be rezoned to allow for higher | 00:33:55 | |
| residential density. Currently, this district allows 1/3 of the square footage to be dedicated to residential use. By the end of | 00:34:02 | |
| 2025, the city will increase the residential square footage allowance to 1/2. | 00:34:08 | |
| Strategy 5. Create or allow for and reduce regulations related to internal or detached. | 00:34:17 | |
| Accessory Dwelling Units in residential zones. The city will amend the zoning code to allow for mobile housing units intended for | 00:34:24 | |
| long term placement to be utilized as accessory drilling units such as tiny homes, modular homes and prefabricated homes by the | 00:34:30 | |
| end of 2025. | 00:34:36 | |
| These housing types must adhere to a permanent foundation. | 00:34:42 | |
| Strategy 6. Amend land use regulations to eliminate or reduce parking requirements for residential development where a resident is | 00:34:46 | |
| less likely to rely on the residents owned vehicles as owner vehicle. I think I missed that own vehicle. | 00:34:53 | |
| Such as residential development near major transit investment corridors or senior living facilities. The city will Commission a | 00:35:01 | |
| citywide parking study to analyze parking. | 00:35:06 | |
| And provide recommendations for parking reductions to the City Council by the end of 2026. Carrying out the study will require | 00:35:11 | |
| approval funding. | 00:35:16 | |
| The Venue Redevelopment Agency, the RDA will provide funding for the construction of a parking structure to serve the multi family | 00:35:21 | |
| units of the Vineyard Downtown District by the end of 2028. | 00:35:26 | |
| And then study seven I was supposed to add. | 00:35:32 | |
| Implementation and I I didn't somehow it didn't get into the ordinance, but I did want to show you the corrected version of that. | 00:35:38 | |
| I'm gonna jump right to it on the next page. | 00:35:44 | |
| So it does create a housing and transit reinvestment. | 00:35:49 | |
| Pursuant to Title 63 N Chapter 3, Part 6, Housing and Transit Reinvestment Zone Act. | 00:35:52 | |
| The. | 00:35:59 | |
| Was the city was successful in receiving the HTRZ designation? | 00:36:01 | |
| From the State of Vita moving forward, the City will set up an HDRZ board to oversee, manage and analyze the project to ensure | 00:36:07 | |
| that 11% of the units are deed restricted to provide moderate income housing. This board shall be established by the end of 2023. | 00:36:15 | |
| And then the only thing missing out of this ordinance is the strategy. Oh, that we're recommending to. | 00:36:24 | |
| Reinsert back into the into the. | 00:36:31 | |
| So those are the changes. | 00:36:35 | |
| Morgan. | 00:36:39 | |
| Happy to try to ask questions. | 00:36:40 | |
| Did you guys have any questions? | 00:36:43 | |
| Couple questions. Some of these are pretty high level and vague, so can you just clarify again? | 00:36:47 | |
| Like when, when further details would be. | 00:36:55 | |
| Adopted on these with with execution plans on which ones this is. | 00:36:59 | |
| When it says things like rezone to allow for higher residential density, is that just higher than? | 00:37:08 | |
| One unit higher equals higher density. I'd like just some clarity there or? | 00:37:14 | |
| I would say like what what were you doing tonight is? I mean would really be, yeah, I'm just wondering if there was any specifics | 00:37:20 | |
| in there where if we took action. | 00:37:26 | |
| Someone would look at it and say no, that doesn't. | 00:37:32 | |
| What you said you would do because there's some words in there that are. | 00:37:35 | |
| Like there's not a lot of teeth to it, right? | 00:37:40 | |
| Similar what you know, so I just want to make sure that if these are our strategies that we actually know. | 00:37:44 | |
| If you guys feel comfortable. | 00:37:51 | |
| Recommending a timeline or some sort of metric. | 00:37:54 | |
| You're welcome to, You know, I mean, obviously that's probably not the answer you're looking for. | 00:37:59 | |
| But. | 00:38:04 | |
| Yeah, we we're open to ideas. It doesn't give you a lot. It doesn't say like you need to go like it needs to be by you know 40% | 00:38:07 | |
| increase or anything like that it. | 00:38:13 | |
| I mean it's kind of general in that sense, but then you submit a report, they analyze report and then they tell you. | 00:38:19 | |
| Or if you if you met the requirement. | 00:38:28 | |
| What what it was when we were talking about the accessory dwelling units and like a separate. | 00:38:31 | |
| Obviously that wouldn't be applicable for every parcel, probably some of the larger parcels and so just defining that as well I | 00:38:37 | |
| think is would be part of that and I don't know if this is the place to do that or if when it says city will amend the zoning code | 00:38:43 | |
| that that's good enough. | 00:38:48 | |
| Yeah, exactly. Because this is part of the general plan and so this. | 00:38:54 | |
| It serves as a guiding point to where then we can add additional details and further ordinances in the municipal code and the | 00:38:58 | |
| zoning code. | 00:39:02 | |
| So those details can be talked about with you guys and with the public later on. Yeah, one way to look at this is you have to have | 00:39:06 | |
| something in there that meets the, the requirements. So we went back and forth, back and forth with the state, would this, this, | 00:39:12 | |
| this meet it now? Would this meet it now this okay, this meets it. | 00:39:18 | |
| And so essentially what would happen is you would take those under under consideration. So some of these might not get get | 00:39:24 | |
| adopted, but you do have to have an implementation plan that shows the city well considered some of these things like the one | 00:39:32 | |
| tonight, the 4th, you know if that's if that gets passed by the City Council then that would be one that you could check off. So | 00:39:39 | |
| what we did is we put kind of what, what, what a minimum allowances. So we said half. | 00:39:47 | |
| The square footage, so that would increase it. If you do more than that then that's that, then that's even better for the state | 00:39:54 | |
| that's that's a better influence. I mean that answers my question about where the where the details and nuances should live. The | 00:40:00 | |
| other thing that I think has come up multiple times that. | 00:40:05 | |
| Just to answer further answer, OK, I want to read something here that yeah go ahead. And so in my in a letter that we received | 00:40:10 | |
| from Alyssa Campbell. | 00:40:15 | |
| That project manager with the Department of Workforce Services, she did. | 00:40:20 | |
| I feel like what you're saying is almost referring to like new actions moving forward, like when are we going to do this or that | 00:40:26 | |
| if we've already commenced that project? | 00:40:31 | |
| The strategy, the way that we word it can can address. | 00:40:38 | |
| I'll just read it says that the strategy has been implemented, is complete, or is ongoing. | 00:40:43 | |
| Measures and a specific timeline for program monitoring, review or continued implementation must be included. So. | 00:40:48 | |
| We can then kind of focus our shift or shift shift our focus to monitoring and reviewing and then providing. | 00:40:56 | |
| That feedback as as time goes on to the Department of Work for Services, so we don't necessarily need to say. | 00:41:05 | |
| You know we need to create new projects, higher density and you know all that. We can just continue monitor what we already have. | 00:41:11 | |
| That makes sense. I don't know. | 00:41:18 | |
| Helps answer your question a little bit. | 00:41:20 | |
| The other one was just a comment. | 00:41:22 | |
| It comes up pretty frequently. Like the term high density I think it would. | 00:41:24 | |
| That means something different to everybody, but I think it would be in our best interest to define, at least from what the city's | 00:41:30 | |
| standpoint is like. What does the city? | 00:41:34 | |
| Say is high density so that we're using the right terms. | 00:41:38 | |
| Because every single development is coming to the city. Someone has complained about it being high density, even if it's third | 00:41:41 | |
| acre lots. You know, if you were the farmer here originally, that's outside density to you, right? So every, every development | 00:41:46 | |
| that comes in that term gets used. | 00:41:50 | |
| It's kind of meaningless if we don't have a like a working definition of for exactly. So that's just more of a comment and that's | 00:41:56 | |
| one too with our. So we are looking at hiring some planning services contract. So I'd be a consultant that could help us. So there | 00:42:02 | |
| we have, I think we look at our products, we have 40 projects right now that the department's working on SO4 four people. | 00:42:09 | |
| So somewhere we're just like giant projects over like, we have to be realistic, I mean. | 00:42:17 | |
| And so the planning service contract is going to help us take on some of these. And the Planning Commission part of this too is | 00:42:24 | |
| the General Planning Commission requested that we relook at the land use map and make sure that the land use map is accurate, that | 00:42:29 | |
| we define the land use categories. | 00:42:35 | |
| So something like that we want to do it. | 00:42:40 | |
| In a in a very well organized way and how to have some good basis for for decision making. And so we're going to have a consultant | 00:42:43 | |
| help us analyze that now. So that'll be one of the projects that the planning services contract will will cover. | 00:42:50 | |
| So yeah, we plan to start on that this this next year. I also wanted to state to the Commission. | 00:42:57 | |
| So Alyssa, she gave me kind of a timeline for how. | 00:43:04 | |
| Doing in order to be able to meet a requirement, so the. | 00:43:10 | |
| 2022 deadline already. | 00:43:14 | |
| Then you'd have 90 days has 90 days in order to get this on income, income, moderate Income Housing plan approved. That deadline | 00:43:16 | |
| is February the 16th. | 00:43:21 | |
| So if we wanted to meet that deadline, we'd basically have to make it a recommendation for approval tonight and the City Council | 00:43:26 | |
| would have to then approve. | 00:43:31 | |
| On the 8th next week, but that being said. | 00:43:36 | |
| She she is willing to work with within your city, I'll be in communication with her if there. | 00:43:42 | |
| Something that you guys do not like about this ordinance or any additional time? | 00:43:49 | |
| She then has an additional 90 days from February the 16th. | 00:43:54 | |
| Keep moving forward, but with the requirement that we have to be like in communication with her on how things are doing. | 00:44:00 | |
| Because that that one is definitely a hard, a hard deadline for her, and she recommended that we definitely don't. | 00:44:09 | |
| Umm. | 00:44:15 | |
| Almost even. Like, consider, you know, but she's like. | 00:44:16 | |
| Try to stay on the deadlines that are already outlined so we do have a little bit of time if we need further. | 00:44:19 | |
| Conversations with. | 00:44:26 | |
| It's not that we are. | 00:44:28 | |
| On a tight schedule. | 00:44:29 | |
| I I don't know. I feel satisfied. | 00:44:32 | |
| With the work that I've seen in the additions. | 00:44:34 | |
| We're up here. Can I ask one question for you? The emotion? Oh yeah. | 00:44:38 | |
| So everything like you talked about has been approved, which is great. Thank you for clarifying timelines. So the only one they | 00:44:45 | |
| haven't seen is Oh right. | 00:44:49 | |
| Because we took it out. Now we're gonna put it back in. So yeah, but still, I just want. | 00:44:54 | |
| Not that it matters for anything, but I actually think it is very wise to keep it in there because it opens us up that additional | 00:45:00 | |
| funding. | 00:45:04 | |
| Because of the point of the public comment, like we can't do some of these projects on infrastructure unless we qualify, I mean | 00:45:09 | |
| that just only helps, right, with additional funding sources, so absolutely. | 00:45:14 | |
| The housing thing, I I remember like four years ago, like the state passed some stuff like you got to start getting a plan | 00:45:19 | |
| together and there was no, yeah, there there was no, like, enforcement or anything like that. And the next year got a little | 00:45:24 | |
| tighter. And then finally they're like, OK, no one's doing it. Now you have to do it or you're not getting funding. We're like, | 00:45:28 | |
| OK. | 00:45:33 | |
| So yeah, all cities. So we looked at a lot of different cities. All, all cities are going through this the same process, so. | 00:45:39 | |
| Cool. Any other questions before we open it up for a public hearing? | 00:45:49 | |
| Do I have a motion to open up a public hearing? I move to open it up to a public hearing. Do I have a second? | 00:45:55 | |
| Second, all in favor? Aye, All right, public hearing. If you'd like to make a comment, come up to the board and you probably just | 00:46:01 | |
| sit at the table if you want. | 00:46:07 | |
| And we're just talking about the general plan amendment for the moderate income housing right now. So if you have a comment for | 00:46:14 | |
| this. | 00:46:17 | |
| I. | 00:46:25 | |
| Daria Evans, Vineyard resident. | 00:46:31 | |
| OK, I've been reading this ordinance that we're talking about adopting tonight. | 00:46:35 | |
| And where? | 00:46:41 | |
| Therefore, it must adopt a minimum of five strategies to include strategy B and either strategy GH or Q. | 00:46:44 | |
| I could not find strategy. | 00:46:52 | |
| On. | 00:46:55 | |
| And I would like to know what that is before we decide whether to adopt it. | 00:46:57 | |
| I don't think we need to adopt strategy. | 00:47:02 | |
| Because seniors still need. | 00:47:06 | |
| I don't think you should put seniors without a vehicle. | 00:47:09 | |
| They need them. We need them. I need them. | 00:47:14 | |
| We need vehicles and we need parking for vehicles. | 00:47:17 | |
| If a medical supply. | 00:47:21 | |
| Needs to come to deliver oxygen. That vehicle needs to park right where that resident lives. | 00:47:23 | |
| Meals on Wheels, Same thing. | 00:47:30 | |
| Ambulance services, fire. | 00:47:32 | |
| We don't need to implement strategy. | 00:47:37 | |
| OK. | 00:47:41 | |
| We have strategy. | 00:47:43 | |
| We have two already with that. | 00:47:46 | |
| Let me find. | 00:47:55 | |
| Yes, we already have that it that. | 00:47:57 | |
| He mentioned that it was successful. | 00:48:00 | |
| Getting that designation, so that's already there. | 00:48:03 | |
| So we don't need to implement anything more. | 00:48:06 | |
| They. | 00:48:11 | |
| But I just like you or whatever it is. Yes, it looks like F is is actually G and so. So if if you pass a motion then it would be | 00:48:15 | |
| to change the typo so F is G. | 00:48:21 | |
| OK. What is it? OK. | 00:48:29 | |
| Rezoning for higher density or moderate income residential development. | 00:48:32 | |
| OK. That's the one with EU. | 00:48:38 | |
| Yep. | 00:48:43 | |
| OK. So that so that whole ordinance will have to be that part needs to be rewritten then? | 00:48:44 | |
| To make it accurate. | 00:48:50 | |
| OK. But I really don't think we need to include strategy. | 00:48:53 | |
| Sure, you shoot yourselves. | 00:49:02 | |
| Senior residents for good residents. | 00:49:07 | |
| Thank you. | 00:49:11 | |
| I might have more. | 00:49:14 | |
| Taking tariffs down with me. Like you know, my name is Wendy Point and I am a vineyard resident. I just want to comment on | 00:49:23 | |
| something she just said about H personal experience. | 00:49:29 | |
| My mother was in a really nice assisted living for years. | 00:49:36 | |
| It was it was wonderful and I had parking. | 00:49:40 | |
| Most of the parking was taken up by #1 employee staff. You'd be amazed how many. | 00:49:43 | |
| How much staff they have and they all drive their own cars, OK, when they come and they go. And then also you have deliveries as | 00:49:50 | |
| you mentioned, but seniors have vehicles. I mean, some of them shouldn't be driving and hopefully that keys get taken away | 00:49:56 | |
| eventually, but a lot of them drive. I mean they do drive and my mom drove safely until she was in her 80s and she handed us her | 00:50:01 | |
| car keys, but. | 00:50:07 | |
| The other thing is, remember they get a lot of visitors and as somebody who visited my mom frequently, especially at the end, it | 00:50:14 | |
| was important that either my sister and I go see her every day. | 00:50:20 | |
| And there would be times we could not find a parking spot, and there wasn't even an adjacent spot anywhere close. So. | 00:50:27 | |
| You know, it was, it was frustrating. I mean, you literally have to drive around, drive around, hope that you could find something | 00:50:35 | |
| out front temporarily and then move your car for a little bit longer and you've got to remember. | 00:50:40 | |
| There's a lot of. | 00:50:47 | |
| Residents have. | 00:50:49 | |
| People have deliver. | 00:50:51 | |
| And then there are visitors. And that's one thing that senior citizens need more than anything with, especially when they get | 00:50:53 | |
| older or visitors and visitors come in cars. | 00:50:58 | |
| Thank you. | 00:51:04 | |
| Sorry again. I just want to mention one more thing. We have a population density 3300. | 00:51:09 | |
| People per square. | 00:51:15 | |
| And we need to. | 00:51:18 | |
| Recognize that and that we need. | 00:51:20 | |
| Plan. | 00:51:24 | |
| Eventually higher density, but plan judiciously and. | 00:51:26 | |
| That we don't have the problems that we're already experiencing. | 00:51:35 | |
| You know, when is UDOT going to widen that road that you've talked about restriping? | 00:51:40 | |
| That's a Band-Aid measure. | 00:51:45 | |
| And the problems that we're having with Center St. Overpass and. | 00:51:48 | |
| And you know, we don't have very many exit strategies. It's either Geneva Road or Center St. | 00:51:53 | |
| Because for South isn't through yet. Because Holdaway Fields isn't being developed yet. | 00:52:00 | |
| And so we're. | 00:52:06 | |
| In a. | 00:52:09 | |
| And then also I had one more question. Well, a comment about Adus. | 00:52:11 | |
| Now, recently we've said that ad use can come into. | 00:52:16 | |
| Existing homes. | 00:52:20 | |
| And. | 00:52:22 | |
| In new construction, is that correct? Am I correct in saying that if they meet certain requirements and so now we want to put more | 00:52:24 | |
| ADUS in with these? | 00:52:28 | |
| And do they not require private driveways and parking spaces for these ad use that would be coming in and if you have little tiny | 00:52:33 | |
| homes? | 00:52:38 | |
| They will need driveways and parking spaces too, correct? So that means more land area, lesser density. | 00:52:42 | |
| OK. OK. Thank you. Thank you. And to kind of address the ADUS, we still have requirements. This is just making it so say a person | 00:52:51 | |
| wanted an Adu and they didn't want to rent out their basement then they could have. | 00:52:59 | |
| Small, detached, something in their backyard. It's just giving people options, but they still need to meet requirements for our | 00:53:07 | |
| city. | 00:53:11 | |
| That's lot size and they have to have a certain amount of parking spaces and currently with our city they need to also have a | 00:53:16 | |
| business license if I'm right. | 00:53:20 | |
| Clarify something too senior living facilities. | 00:53:25 | |
| That that's an actual like defined term I think by the state and it's it doesn't mean age restricted like 55 plus community, it | 00:53:28 | |
| means that I could. | 00:53:32 | |
| Like like a facility where you know you yeah memory care that that kind of stuff typically were seniors that are living there | 00:53:37 | |
| don't don't have a car and so that's that So that's what it it's referring to that's the state definition that's plugged in | 00:53:44 | |
| doesn't mean that we we have to we have to actually do that because. | 00:53:52 | |
| Because it it provides an an or but we have to have that the full state strategy so that that doesn't mean like so if it age, so | 00:53:59 | |
| like in. | 00:54:02 | |
| The the whole way. | 00:54:07 | |
| Fields, they changed names, sorry all the way. Fields development, they have an age restricted development that's coming in that's | 00:54:09 | |
| not a senior living facility there that that's actually like a defined term. | 00:54:14 | |
| So just just to clarify, so like Leisure Village wouldn't wouldn't fall under a senior living facility? | 00:54:21 | |
| Living I think needs to be defined because yes. | 00:54:29 | |
| Usually the memory care facilities are attached to things called independence and I apologize just because. | 00:54:34 | |
| If you want to give your public comment then we can catch you. | 00:54:42 | |
| I apologize. I just want to, there's some clarification. I live in a 55 plus unit, yeah. And most of us are mobile and you know | 00:54:45 | |
| whatever. | 00:54:49 | |
| But the one I was talking about, like my mother, it was A and most of them are like that. They're assisted living, independent | 00:54:54 | |
| living and memory all in the same unit. And you do have people that are independent. | 00:55:00 | |
| That drive quite a few. | 00:55:07 | |
| I just want to say that the requirement from the state unfortunately is to adopt these word for word so, but we can further define | 00:55:11 | |
| it in our own definition section. | 00:55:17 | |
| If we don't put something in there it says like we will reduce parking requirements for facilities when we it's not something you | 00:55:24 | |
| have to you have to do. But that's why we're going to analyze it city wide on on H here is even though the strategy itself seems. | 00:55:32 | |
| Somewhat extreme that the strategies that we're proposing. | 00:55:41 | |
| Commissioned a study to see if it's even feasible to reduce parking, and if it's not, then you don't do it. But you commissioned | 00:55:46 | |
| the study and then the other one is actually funding more parking. | 00:55:51 | |
| To serve those multi family units to ensure that there's not an issue. So yeah, I I see how strategy 8 sounds like pretty. | 00:55:58 | |
| Aggressive. But the the strategies that the city is proposing starts out with, Is this even it's a feasibility study basically | 00:56:05 | |
| right? Am I am I correct in that frame? | 00:56:10 | |
| Pardon me if I have a loan trust though. | 00:56:16 | |
| Yeah, and also something. | 00:56:20 | |
| When the city requires parking for space, requires minimum parking and stuff like that. | 00:56:24 | |
| It's kind of interesting because. | 00:56:31 | |
| If we didn't require parking, let's say, and they decided to build no parking stalls, would you? | 00:56:33 | |
| And you had a car. | 00:56:39 | |
| Want to be in that senior living facility? Like, no, you just wouldn't. You wouldn't go there, you wouldn't be in the senior | 00:56:42 | |
| living facility or it's kind of the same with. | 00:56:47 | |
| Apartments and stuff too. Or businesses where if we require a minimum. | 00:56:51 | |
| And. | 00:56:56 | |
| Say Topgolf had 10 parking cells there. Would people want to go to the top Golf if they had nowhere to park? | 00:56:58 | |
| And with the house, should we require anybody to build the house? Just a single family home? Should we require them to have three | 00:57:05 | |
| parking spots or 4 parking stalls? Because they have they might eventually someday sell the house to somebody that has four cars. | 00:57:11 | |
| Should we require them each house to have a certain amount of parking? Sell suits? | 00:57:17 | |
| It's kind of trying to find that line of. | 00:57:24 | |
| Where do we try to give people freedom? And that freedom, kind of. | 00:57:27 | |
| To developers too, that. | 00:57:33 | |
| As far as parking, if you're going to rent a house and it has no parking stall, but you have a car. | 00:57:36 | |
| Like you have to consider like should I live in this place and get rid of my car instead of purchasing the place and being like | 00:57:42 | |
| well the city should have required them to give me a parking spot. | 00:57:47 | |
| And. | 00:57:53 | |
| If you're buying a house, you would always consider that You would think I'm buying this house. It has a garage with two spots. I | 00:57:55 | |
| can park my two cars, but if it only has one spot, you just wouldn't buy the house because it's like I need to. | 00:58:01 | |
| So it's kind of hard to. | 00:58:08 | |
| To make specific requirements like that on certain facilities, businesses, if they don't have enough parking, they should lose | 00:58:11 | |
| business. | 00:58:14 | |
| And high density or multifamily units? If they don't have enough parking, they should have a hard time selling homes. | 00:58:20 | |
| And really, it needs to come. We need to figure out a better way as a city. | 00:58:29 | |
| To make sure the develop. | 00:58:33 | |
| And people are knowing what they're buying before they're buying it because a lot of times people purchase homes or rent. | 00:58:36 | |
| Units thinking like, oh, I'll be fine, I'll park on the street and then for some reason the city needs to take away street parking | 00:58:43 | |
| to widen the road or something. And then they're like, oh, they're taking my parking spot away from me. | 00:58:49 | |
| Even though that technically was never their parking spot, and so it's hard for the city to. | 00:58:54 | |
| That's why having. | 00:58:59 | |
| When a. | 00:59:02 | |
| Has good parking plans and implements it well. It's easy to not complain about parking because you don't have an option. | 00:59:04 | |
| You have two spots and there are no other. | 00:59:11 | |
| Whereas if it's lean and it's lacks and it's like, let's just add as many as we can or let's allow the city to let people park | 00:59:16 | |
| wherever, that's when you start to run into issues because. | 00:59:21 | |
| Things change. Parking goes away, more people have cars and so. | 00:59:28 | |
| Finding something is is difficult. | 00:59:34 | |
| And. | 00:59:38 | |
| It's it's a requirement. Even if the city lowers the requirement and says you only have to do 1 stall, a good business or a good | 00:59:40 | |
| developer will know, you know, my customers need this. So I'm going to put in this even though the minimum's one, I'm going to put | 00:59:45 | |
| in four because I want people to come here that have vehicles or I want people to know that they'll have a parking spot guaranteed | 00:59:51 | |
| and so. | 00:59:57 | |
| Minimums. | 01:00:04 | |
| I think they are. | 01:00:07 | |
| But I think more important is the way that it's handled when something is built and when people are. | 01:00:09 | |
| Buying units. They should know what? | 01:00:15 | |
| Are there any other public comments for the moderate income housing? | 01:00:21 | |
| Russell Adams, resident and yeah, I'm getting an analogy. | 01:00:34 | |
| Our house requires, I believe it's R49 installation in the attic. Guess what we got? | 01:00:40 | |
| We've got. | 01:00:46 | |
| Hmm. | 01:00:48 | |
| And I prefer that with the builder, and that's because there's some regulation that they can run around the R49 by considering the | 01:00:48 | |
| windows, the walls and even the cement floor. | 01:00:54 | |
| Heat rises. | 01:01:00 | |
| What what does the cement floor to do to to help the insulated. Meanwhile we've got high high gas bill. | 01:01:01 | |
| And they've got two things that are in the villas and in the new phase they're putting in the R49 up top, they're not doing the R | 01:01:09 | |
| 48. | 01:01:13 | |
| But I guess my my my my program in that analogy is that let. | 01:01:18 | |
| What we need, I said last time in City Council meeting. Excess is probably going to be adequate. | 01:01:25 | |
| And I believe that because the. | 01:01:30 | |
| Because of the high density units here have a history of not having enough. | 01:01:33 | |
| Lakefront preserves. I've seen people come to the village clubhouse, park there multiple times and walk across the street to the | 01:01:39 | |
| preserves. | 01:01:43 | |
| And I'm just the witness of that walks. They've been parking on the 8th NI hear they're parking at the front runner station | 01:01:47 | |
| parking too. Went there last Sunday and they had lot was half full. | 01:01:54 | |
| In the front runner doesn't run on Sunday. I know some are using the airport, I understand that, but I guess my my comment is to | 01:02:00 | |
| do it right and build an extra just like engineers. | 01:02:07 | |
| With safety requirements, they go in extra to make sure that it doesn't fail. | 01:02:14 | |
| If we build in the next trail, it'll be adequate and I guess. | 01:02:20 | |
| That's my comment. Thank you. | 01:02:25 | |
| Any other public comments? | 01:02:31 | |
| All right. Do you have a motion to close the public? | 01:02:34 | |
| Close the public hearing. Do I have a second, second, all in favor, aye? | 01:02:39 | |
| All right. Any comments? | 01:02:44 | |
| I'll just reiterate. | 01:02:49 | |
| Let. | 01:02:51 | |
| It's a good framework to add to our general plan. | 01:02:53 | |
| I don't know. I like what you got it. I like the fleshing out of each strategy. | 01:02:57 | |
| I. | 01:03:05 | |
| I think it creates a nice structure for us to work off of as we move forward. | 01:03:06 | |
| And hopefully it satisfies. | 01:03:12 | |
| Because we would really like that funding. | 01:03:14 | |
| That's a science. Thanks. So I just wanted to clarify then so. | 01:03:18 | |
| Strategy F is. | 01:03:24 | |
| G. | 01:03:26 | |
| Can you verify that, Brian? | 01:03:29 | |
| And then, as was pointed out, some of these strategies. | 01:03:34 | |
| Are being included, but have already been. | 01:03:38 | |
| Worked on or are being addressed. So basically we're saying. | 01:03:41 | |
| We're going to do this and actually we have done this. | 01:03:45 | |
| Which is why they're, we're including those is because they're already part of our regular business. | 01:03:49 | |
| Yeah, that was just my clarity is if we move forward with this. | 01:03:56 | |
| Anthony, we have. I have him on the board. | 01:04:01 | |
| So F OK F is F is G. | 01:04:05 | |
| No. So she she was in her ordinance. The ordinance is mislabeled. That's one of the things that was to be considered was strategy | 01:04:11 | |
| G, So I wanted to make sure. | 01:04:16 | |
| OK, And we didn't put it in here, but she was curious what we were leaving off because she was not detailed. Am I capturing that | 01:04:21 | |
| accurately? That's right. That's right. | 01:04:27 | |
| Do we want to look? Yeah, if you pull that back up. | 01:04:32 | |
| So amend. | 01:04:39 | |
| G is a manned land use regulations to allow for higher density or new moderate income residential development in commercial or | 01:04:40 | |
| mixed-use zones near major transit investment corridors. Now jump back to the ordinance and just make sure that's the same one. | 01:04:47 | |
| Yeah, geez, not not in the new strategies at all. So I'm no. And the reason why it's not is because this. | 01:05:01 | |
| Strategy Strategy four in the general. | 01:05:09 | |
| Already talked about high density. | 01:05:13 | |
| So why not? Yeah, G is not, G is not yeah. | 01:05:16 | |
| OK. | 01:05:21 | |
| Yeah, sorry. I remember our thinking for that, so. | 01:05:22 | |
| And then also, I think it's always helpful in public hearings that everyone understands what action is actually being taken. | 01:05:28 | |
| The Planning Commission, and this would be true for the next agenda item. These are simply recommendations to the City Council, | 01:05:35 | |
| who would be making the final decision on to agree with disagree scrap recommendations. They're not binding. | 01:05:43 | |
| All right. Any other comments? | 01:05:54 | |
| If not, do I have a? | 01:05:56 | |
| I'll make a motion to. | 01:06:00 | |
| I guess recommend these. | 01:06:03 | |
| Strategies to the City Council for General Plan amendment. | 01:06:05 | |
| Jimmy Morgan, I'm sorry, do we need to state. | 01:06:11 | |
| The ones. | 01:06:16 | |
| Adding back in Strategy O and then cleaning up Strategy 7 at the bottom that I showed, yeah Strategy 7. Brian, if you want to | 01:06:18 | |
| state that what what the amendments are then they can say as the amendments are to reinsert Strategy O from state code Utah State | 01:06:26 | |
| code 10-98-403, the one that talks about partnering with different entities. | 01:06:34 | |
| That support the construction of modern income housing. | 01:06:43 | |
| And then the addition of the implementation plan that I left out on accident for strategy 7. | 01:06:47 | |
| Which is here in my corrected. | 01:06:55 | |
| Of the ordinance. That's not correct. | 01:06:59 | |
| Must have. | 01:07:03 | |
| Uh. | 01:07:06 | |
| OK but it it outlines I'll, I'll show you the. | 01:07:07 | |
| Implementation. | 01:07:13 | |
| Oh, it won't be on here. | 01:07:16 | |
| Or maybe it is. I'm sorry. | 01:07:19 | |
| It is. It's this one Strategy Q which is also Strategy 7, the city. Well, here it is. | 01:07:21 | |
| I'll read it just so that the city was successful in receiving HRZ designation from the State of Utah. Moving forward, the city | 01:07:33 | |
| will set up an HTRZ board to oversee, manage and analyze the project to ensure that 11% of the units are deed restricted to | 01:07:39 | |
| provide modern income housing. This board shall be established by the end of 2023. | 01:07:44 | |
| That's what we're adding back into Strategy 7. | 01:07:50 | |
| OK, just make your motion say as stated. OK, I make a motion to recommend. | 01:07:56 | |
| General Plan amendments for moderate income housing as stated by city staff to the. | 01:08:02 | |
| City Council. | 01:08:08 | |
| Do I have a second? | 01:08:10 | |
| I'll second for approval. All right. And this is a roll call, Craig Anthony. | 01:08:12 | |
| I Bryce, I take Braden. All right, and that passes. Moving on to 4.2 public hearing for the development agreement for the. | 01:08:18 | |
| OK. I'm gonna come up in just one second and then we'll turn the time over to Steve. | 01:08:31 | |
| I wanted to read in the record. We did receive a public comment. The public hearing has been closed. | 01:08:39 | |
| Want to make sure that the comment. | 01:08:49 | |
| Is only shred at the. | 01:08:52 | |
| This is from Dale Deidre, so hopefully I got that right because I cannot be there for the meeting tomorrow night for the Forge. So | 01:08:55 | |
| I'm letting you know that I'm very concerned about two issues. One, the number of residential units proposed. | 01:09:03 | |
| And the associated traffic and 2nd the height of the. | 01:09:10 | |
| Of up to 10 feet. | 01:09:14 | |
| I think that there's a 10 feet in the car, but I we believe it's meant. | 01:09:17 | |
| There you go. | 01:09:25 | |
| Thanks. | 01:09:26 | |
| Play. | 01:09:47 | |
| Otherwise not going. | 01:10:33 | |
| And they flip screens. | 01:10:36 | |
| I hit in a dozen double screens. All right, well, I hope you can guys sit there. I can do other than we'll zoom. | 01:10:39 | |
| All right. So Planning Commission, you've you've had work sessions on this. We have the public hearing. Public hearing was | 01:10:46 | |
| officially closed, City Council last minute. | 01:10:51 | |
| How the public hearing and and analyze the project with the applicant. What I wanted to do is run through some of these amendments | 01:10:56 | |
| that have been submitted to address kind of the comments that came from the Planning Commission and also from the City Council. | 01:11:03 | |
| And so this will kind of help kind of run through some and all these items were were were kind of discussed at the both meetings. | 01:11:11 | |
| So the the first one area, so these are the changes that have been redlined throughout the agreement. Air meeting income is | 01:11:20 | |
| defined, that's the Provo. | 01:11:23 | |
| Or AMITA Metropolitan Statistical Area I. Median income as determined annually by the Department of Housing and Urban Development. | 01:11:27 | |
| It's clarified that only structured parking may be reimbursable with. Rea will not reimburse surface parking. Site plans are | 01:11:35 | |
| clarified as a development application. | 01:11:41 | |
| Definition of unit is clarified to only mean residential units. Open space implementation is clarified for those projects | 01:11:47 | |
| surrounding the media project area allowing for bonding of 110% of project cost. So for instance if a project is developed in like | 01:11:54 | |
| Block A, then the landscaping and amenities surrounding that that project would need to be implemented with that project. But for | 01:12:01 | |
| some reason if. | 01:12:08 | |
| It's. | 01:12:15 | |
| Plan to develop right adjacent to that project. | 01:12:16 | |
| And improving the open space between the two projects. | 01:12:20 | |
| Will mean basically tearing out improvements that were freshly made. Then it will allow for the bonding. So when that project, | 01:12:23 | |
| that second project's done, then either the city can come back in and develop the open space or or the developer would then | 01:12:29 | |
| develop that open space. | 01:12:34 | |
| Open space credit will be provided for those areas owned by the developer and they include the area along Geneva within orange | 01:12:41 | |
| boundary will not include right of way. So the reason why we say that is because if as you know in Geneva Rd. there is about 40 | 01:12:46 | |
| feet that is owned by the developer but essentially it's it's in vendors. The boundary line was supposed to be in the center of | 01:12:52 | |
| the street. | 01:12:58 | |
| And so we do want to see that 40 feet landscaped and pulled into the trail system. It's going to benefit the city a lot and so. | 01:13:04 | |
| You know with them expanding those resources to do that and we felt like they should be able to get the credit for it so. | 01:13:13 | |
| We wanted to make sure that that area was. | 01:13:20 | |
| Well, it was improved. | 01:13:24 | |
| Geneva Trail Park will be located on Block H with improvements prior to 750 residential units, certificate of occupancy. So that | 01:13:26 | |
| kind of and there's a there's a couple. | 01:13:31 | |
| Different mechanisms that would kind of trigger the dedication on park to us, but that we felt that was the most important one | 01:13:38 | |
| that you know when half the residential units go in that way we can have a public park that that comes online. As you know with | 01:13:44 | |
| past developments having amenities come online towards the end have not has not been very popular with with residents. So we want | 01:13:50 | |
| to make sure we get those at least halfway through. | 01:13:56 | |
| So they agree to work in good faith with U dot, UTA and the city to connect from our station with a walkway to bring transit | 01:14:03 | |
| options to the site. So that has been it with ETA and UTA is definitely considering you know, adding more transit options. So we | 01:14:11 | |
| do have a bus on the road and potentially getting a bus from the station to the the project would be really great. | 01:14:19 | |
| As for my facilities will not count for his overstation less design in a way that maintains the quality of the amenity. So that's | 01:14:27 | |
| something that would be determined by the community development directors myself, but we would also bring that through the site | 01:14:33 | |
| planning process and we Planning Commission would be able to to to consider it as well. What we don't want is, is deep detention | 01:14:39 | |
| ponds trying to be counted towards as parks, I mean. | 01:14:45 | |
| Yeah, they might make good amenities, but when they fill up, you got a week or so that you got to let them dry out. So we just, we | 01:14:52 | |
| want to make sure it's an actual usable space. | 01:14:56 | |
| One parking stall per bedroom, not to exceed 2.25 stalls per unit. So if it's a two-bedroom, it would require 2 stalls. If it's a | 01:15:02 | |
| 3 bedroom, it would require 2.25. | 01:15:07 | |
| This is actually an increase over the 1.5 spaces per unit that's in the code now. So this does up and what what this does is it | 01:15:12 | |
| provides a higher baseline for the first phase. So the first phase that'll come out, I believe the applicant has talked about 300 | 01:15:20 | |
| units. So when the 300 units come out, they would be required to do the one per bedroom not to exceed the 2.25 space installs per | 01:15:28 | |
| unit. We would then do a parking study and the parking study would analyze the actual on site conditions. | 01:15:35 | |
| And if more parking is required than future phases would be required to have that up. | 01:15:43 | |
| So it's in their best interest to manage it at a very high level. It's still a minimum of 1.5 spaces per unit. | 01:15:51 | |
| In the in the code it is, but this development agreement requires the one stall per per bedroom, so for any single single. | 01:15:57 | |
| Or studio apartments or one bedrooms, They would just be one stone instead of 1.5. If you want that as condition, that's something | 01:16:07 | |
| we can talk with with the applicant. If you wanted that as a baseline how, how, how it's written in the development agreement, A | 01:16:11 | |
| one bedroom would require one stall. | 01:16:15 | |
| Design criteria is added for buildings along major roads and so staff believes that we need to include Mill Road and 650 N as | 01:16:22 | |
| major roads and collector roads. Essentially what this means is that we have entrances and architectural features and elements | 01:16:29 | |
| that help connect the the project outward and not just internally. Internally it's got a great plan. We want to make sure that we | 01:16:37 | |
| have the entrances and you know windows and get architecture. The code does require a lot of that. We wanted that to be stated. | 01:16:44 | |
| Within a development agreement as well. | 01:16:52 | |
| So blocks A&E, those are the two that run adjacent to Mill Rd. will have a height limit of five stories or 75 feet, but you need | 01:17:01 | |
| to clarify is that whichever is greater or whichever is. | 01:17:07 | |
| And so that's something, you know, for us to talk about. | 01:17:13 | |
| You know, we would want that to go or in the development agreement. | 01:17:18 | |
| Design standards are provided for the shared commercial St. Retail Plaza and E Gateway Linear Park, West Gateway Lanier Park | 01:17:21 | |
| Internal Alley and the Geneva. | 01:17:27 | |
| And these are the prevalence motions. The 1st is to approve as present and approve modification. Second one, third one is. | 01:17:35 | |
| To deny, if you do that, provide some reasons that would be sent to the City Council and for continuation. If you do that, please | 01:17:44 | |
| provide some direction so we can address those in the next video. | 01:17:51 | |
| That's everything. | 01:17:58 | |
| So thanks. | 01:18:00 | |
| Do you guys have the information on the agreement they have with the RDA as far as? | 01:18:04 | |
| Reimbursement for the parking structures, at what percentage does that reimbursed or yeah, I I haven't worked on that as much. I | 01:18:10 | |
| think it's 75% of the increment, but I'd like to expect Steve could probably answer that better. | 01:18:17 | |
| So that kind of falls outside of what I do. | 01:18:25 | |
| I was just curious. | 01:18:28 | |
| One thing I didn't see in there that I know we discussed in the last meetings and it was. | 01:18:35 | |
| Maybe alluded to in that public comment that you read in. | 01:18:40 | |
| You know, building. | 01:18:44 | |
| In and of itself isn't necessarily an issue, but if it's blocking views, I think like the natural beauty, whether it's the lake or | 01:18:46 | |
| the mountain. | 01:18:50 | |
| What's the best? | 01:18:55 | |
| That staff would recommend to ensure that. | 01:18:57 | |
| Sight lines are preserved obviously like any type of building from some vantage point is going to block something. But you know | 01:19:00 | |
| maybe it's you know measuring it from the West side of the tracks in the neighborhood if they if anything. Yeah. I mean the | 01:19:07 | |
| easiest way is this is to cap the height that's that that that's what we did. We're fairly confident that that will at least help | 01:19:14 | |
| preserve kind of the foothills of the mountains up I Steve may have provided exhibit did you. | 01:19:21 | |
| I think you said you're done so far. | 01:19:30 | |
| So but yeah, height is in zoning. That's always your easiest you could require. | 01:19:36 | |
| View corridor that diagrams and territory site plans what the requirement that it not not block the mountains. | 01:19:46 | |
| Those are kind of hard. I think just the the height is a very clear and objective wave down and that's kind of what Utah coast | 01:19:54 | |
| says is beacon size the objective and. | 01:19:59 | |
| That's the easiest way. | 01:20:04 | |
| Yeah, my only other comment was I was happy to see. | 01:20:06 | |
| The parking study, parking plan language in there because you know, within this room. | 01:20:10 | |
| There's lots of variation and what people think is appropriate for density and that's you know, there's there isn't a right or | 01:20:15 | |
| wrong but I think what? | 01:20:19 | |
| We can all agree on is no one wants to plan for failure or plan for problems, right? And so I think. | 01:20:23 | |
| I was pleased to see that language and I actually think it should be a part of basically everything we do moving forward where | 01:20:30 | |
| build a little bit, stop, evaluate. | 01:20:34 | |
| Is this working? Is it not? And then move forward based on that? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. We started out with downtown. We wanted | 01:20:38 | |
| to carry that forward with the Forge and really any other developments. | 01:20:43 | |
| So. | 01:20:48 | |
| And then when you guys come up, if you could talk about the traffic study that you had done, the flow of inward and outward | 01:20:51 | |
| traffic that we talked about that would be. | 01:20:55 | |
| That's. | 01:21:01 | |
| Play. | 01:21:14 | |
| Hello again. | 01:21:51 | |
| Nice to be here in front of you. | 01:21:54 | |
| I think everybody knows me. I'm Steve Borup. I'm the Director of Development with Dakota Pacific, and this is Brian Dillio. Let | 01:21:57 | |
| him introduce himself. | 01:22:01 | |
| Hello everyone. Thank you for your your time and consideration. My name is Brian Dilley, Managing Director at Dakota Pacific Real | 01:22:06 | |
| Estate. | 01:22:10 | |
| Jeff had done engagements elsewhere. | 01:22:16 | |
| Just to address the two comments that came up before we get into the presentation, the view corridors, we do have a study going on | 01:22:21 | |
| to confirm the five stories won't block any views. And what we did is we stood kind of halfway into the UVU land. You notice that | 01:22:27 | |
| that kind of dirt, asphalt, Rd. we kind of stood in that area and took some pictures and then they're tying that to the model. We | 01:22:34 | |
| should have that hopefully in the next few days. That'll just confirm. | 01:22:41 | |
| Those mountains we did rough calculation just kind of based on the basic geometry. The mountains this tall and you know 7 1/2 | 01:22:47 | |
| miles away and what will it look like if you know a few 100 feet away you have a five story building it looked like just from the | 01:22:53 | |
| rest study you know you're not blocking any more than. | 01:22:58 | |
| Or 2/3 or more of that mountain would be visible to five story there, but but again we'll have a confirmation on that but that was | 01:23:05 | |
| the preliminary so. | 01:23:08 | |
| Generally still like those views from about halfway into that field should be not impacted and of course if you go further into | 01:23:14 | |
| the residence even further to the West that that impact would be reduced even more so. | 01:23:20 | |
| In regards to the traffic study I did, I do have a slide, so just in way of background it was brought up that. | 01:23:27 | |
| How is it the traffic so that the basic findings of? | 01:23:34 | |
| Of the. | 01:23:39 | |
| And I can zoom in if we need to on some of those tables, but the basic finding was that. | 01:23:42 | |
| 1.1 million square feet of. | 01:23:47 | |
| Is more impactful to the intersections and the level of service of those intersections than what we're proposing by reducing the | 01:23:51 | |
| office and bringing in up to 1500 residential. | 01:23:55 | |
| Units, and I think the question that Commissioner Brady asked. | 01:24:00 | |
| How does that work? Because office would be leaving while residents are coming in and therefore the flow of traffic. | 01:24:05 | |
| Should be improved and this is the statement from our traffic engineers that overall as expected, the office had a worse level, | 01:24:13 | |
| especially during the evening peak hour. This is primarily due to the increased number of vehicles trying to exit the site while | 01:24:17 | |
| the traffic volumes on the mainland are still very high. | 01:24:22 | |
| And so that was from Hales Engineering. | 01:24:27 | |
| They gave some basic trip information, but the basic premise was now all these people are trying to leave Vineyard and you've got | 01:24:30 | |
| to provide green lights for them to leave Vineyard and therefore the people coming into Vineyard no longer have as much green | 01:24:37 | |
| light time, right? So the programming of that, of that stop light creates A detriment to the overall intersection. | 01:24:43 | |
| And so there was, you know this statement kind of summarizes that it was, it was still a negative impact and we had to run that | 01:24:50 | |
| that that study. And so there was an e-mail as well and I think that got forwarded on that kind of had all that detail in it and | 01:24:56 | |
| we can certainly share more of of those findings but. | 01:25:02 | |
| We did have Commission, a specific study for it and Commissioner Braider and it came back the same. | 01:25:08 | |
| OK. | 01:25:13 | |
| Alright. And did you have the, do you have a slide like this for the project like as you've presented it? | 01:25:14 | |
| Umm. | 01:25:24 | |
| Yeah, so this was this is the level of service of each intersection. | 01:25:27 | |
| That full build out future 2050 with with with a background. | 01:25:32 | |
| In it, right. So all the other growth around us as well. | 01:25:37 | |
| The capital letters are signaled intersections and the the lowercase are not signaled intersections. | 01:25:41 | |
| You have a slide for what that would be. I mean, some of those roads aren't there 650 N isn't there? | 01:25:50 | |
| I think they're all here. 650 N Mill Road, 650 Geneva. I mean it it doesn't connect to Geneva currently, is what I'm saying. | 01:25:57 | |
| Like these are 2050 I assume that assumes that the rails gone that center St. has two lanes. It does assume the Interstate. Yeah | 01:26:06 | |
| that's connector also has two lanes. So do you have a study that shows? | 01:26:12 | |
| Our current conditions without the rail spur removed, so the background. | 01:26:18 | |
| Today is the current condition. | 01:26:22 | |
| So first. | 01:26:26 | |
| Yeah. And let me just go because we ran a 1200 units in scenario 1500 units, the level of service didn't change. | 01:26:27 | |
| Uh uh. | 01:26:35 | |
| There was no impact to the intersections between those two in terms of level of service, that pretty much resulted in the same. | 01:26:36 | |
| Existing. | 01:26:43 | |
| Right. And this was kind of if we implement phase one and this was when the whole thing was built out and so. | 01:26:46 | |
| Built out and a whole bunch of time has gone by and it's 2050. So that's the basic criteria that the the ITE standards I think | 01:26:55 | |
| required. | 01:26:59 | |
| To put it into those 3 buckets. | 01:27:04 | |
| So this. | 01:27:14 | |
| Kind of looks to me like the problem areas that were called out earlier. | 01:27:16 | |
| Mill Rd. Center St. Geneva Rd. | 01:27:20 | |
| Yeah. Then you're connected. Geneva Rd. | 01:27:23 | |
| Yep. It's it's it's Center St. in Geneva. Not expected to be good in the future. It's basically right. It's, it's Center St. | 01:27:26 | |
| Geneva. It's vineyard connector Geneva. They're tough intersections. They're challenging again. | 01:27:34 | |
| Background includes the downtown and everything that's going on there. All that's happening as far as connecting that road up | 01:27:43 | |
| through the north, all of that is kind of included into the background mitigated. | 01:27:47 | |
| But a lot of dual left turn lanes is are some of those mitigations? | 01:27:54 | |
| At those at those key intersections. | 01:28:00 | |
| In order to achieve the mitigations. | 01:28:03 | |
| Steve, do you, I don't know if you saw this, did you model it at 1500 units? | 01:28:06 | |
| Yeah, that's what this was here. So this is, yeah, that's the same one. You can see the level of service at the intersection is | 01:28:10 | |
| really the same at 2050, but. | 01:28:15 | |
| These are peak hours. | 01:28:22 | |
| Yeah, evening and AM PM. | 01:28:25 | |
| But as I stated before, I really feel the key issue in terms of what we're approving here is a change of use, right? Not a use. | 01:28:30 | |
| And the change of use is incrementally beneficial. | 01:28:37 | |
| Any which way that the health engineering has run it and. | 01:28:41 | |
| That's that's what's I think relevant to the decision of can we change the use. | 01:28:45 | |
| You explain again the difference between the background column and the background of the gated. | 01:28:51 | |
| I can. I can pull up the study, the background mitigated. Just assume certain mitigations. | 01:28:56 | |
| Yeah. But I mean, if we're going from F to A, that sounds like a an interesting mitigation. Yeah, that's one in the works for. | 01:29:03 | |
| Yeah, Mill Rd. Center, St. Geneva. | 01:29:14 | |
| That is. | 01:29:18 | |
| Yeah, that that is adding. | 01:29:21 | |
| Yeah, OK. | 01:29:26 | |
| Yeah. So for the North and Mill Rd. that's on the basis that. | 01:29:29 | |
| Intersection there with real development to allow for the pedestrian crossing east to West. | 01:29:35 | |
| Yeah, I agree that would make a huge difference. 5 lane cross section. | 01:29:42 | |
| And Signal was the big one that they listed as the mitigation there. | 01:29:48 | |
| And what about for the 800 N and Geneva road and center St. Union Rd. Because those those are going from F to D. | 01:29:53 | |
| Just heading in the right direction. | 01:30:00 | |
| On which ones? | 01:30:04 | |
| Yeah, this one has to be this one vineyard connector. | 01:30:06 | |
| And 8th. | 01:30:10 | |
| Widen Vineyard connector to five lane. Cross section through Geneva Rd. intersection. Allow for two through lane each direction. | 01:30:14 | |
| So yeah, U dot project, right turn lane on the northbound approach and then you're connected to Geneva. So there's also a right | 01:30:21 | |
| turn line that's that would be the excuse me for the honesty that would be EU dot project about the restriping that they have | 01:30:27 | |
| currently on the books to do this next construction season. So they understand that the background mitigated are those projects | 01:30:33 | |
| that are already in process announced in the works and. | 01:30:39 | |
| Yeah, and also Center Street with the removal. | 01:30:47 | |
| Just setting up everything was last week talking to Orange city engineer at Sam Kelly. They planned, and I mean it's not official | 01:30:51 | |
| until it's approved by the city of ARM but they plan on doing the widening between. | 01:30:57 | |
| Geneva. | 01:31:04 | |
| From Geneva to I-15. | 01:31:06 | |
| To allow for the traffic, we actually had a conversation with you guys about that as well today. I think they said it would be two | 01:31:09 | |
| through lanes, so the pinch point moves. | 01:31:15 | |
| And also the additional background to this conversation. So the City of India is actually a process of reviewing several proposals | 01:31:22 | |
| for for an update to Translation Master plan. | 01:31:29 | |
| City. | 01:31:37 | |
| On this, I guess citywide where it's going to be looking at focusing on key areas of key areas and concerns of the city, but also | 01:31:40 | |
| going through there and. | 01:31:46 | |
| Making, making projections for the future growth areas as well. So some of the items that were brought on this kind of. | 01:31:53 | |
| Hells, Hells Engineering has done quite a bit of work. So projecting quite a bit of improvements as well that are not to be | 01:32:01 | |
| needed. For example with the traffic channels that redress with the traffic signalizations with with timing. I know UDOT | 01:32:08 | |
| particularly has studies going on in terms of adjusting timing. It's a it's a process, it's not just doing doing it at one light, | 01:32:15 | |
| it's doing it along a corridor to ensure that one light doesn't affect the whole corridor as well. | 01:32:23 | |
| So those are those are those are items and then Vineyard City plans on avoiding. | 01:32:30 | |
| The transportation Master plan and next next few weeks and going through the process and going through the process and as well as | 01:32:39 | |
| during the engineering and final finalization of the Forge. | 01:32:45 | |
| The part of the development agreement has that they will be providing a. | 01:32:53 | |
| Utility studies to include. | 01:32:58 | |
| Transportation impact studies. So any kind of adjustments that are done on file adjustments are done based on the engineering | 01:33:02 | |
| designs they will be having to assess. | 01:33:06 | |
| The impact to the transportation network specifically, obviously they have not done the deep dive on that since the designs are | 01:33:12 | |
| not being finalized yet. | 01:33:16 | |
| So just to put out the consideration and those utility studies will be reviewed by the city, the city engineer and recommendations | 01:33:21 | |
| on ensuring that the level of service has not increased will be done at that time. | 01:33:28 | |
| And I'll just go back to the. | 01:33:38 | |
| What? | 01:33:41 | |
| Office Heavy 489 More TR. | 01:33:43 | |
| Entering. | 01:33:46 | |
| And 375 more leaving in the evening peak hour versus those two, that's what drove it, right. It's just more trips office, I think | 01:33:48 | |
| we talked about it last time, there are more cars per square foot of office than there are in residential dwelling units and so | 01:33:53 | |
| that creates more trips. | 01:33:59 | |
| And that's what that's what drove again to need to be able to push more more out with with more green light time. | 01:34:05 | |
| I. | 01:34:17 | |
| I printed off with all the. | 01:34:20 | |
| The changes that have kind of been coming in on the request I just printed off a tracking sheet. | 01:34:23 | |
| And I'm going to address certain ones of these and I've highlighted those on this, but is it OK if I just pass these out real | 01:34:29 | |
| quick so everybody can kind of see the full list and refer to it if you need? | 01:34:33 | |
| So this is just a log of everything that we have discussed at one point or another with the city. | 01:34:44 | |
| Steve, can you want to Rachel for our records? | 01:34:51 | |
| Also I guess quick question about the traffic also. | 01:35:08 | |
| It's considering the 1500 units. Is it also considering commercial and office space? Yeah, it's still the 600,000. | 01:35:13 | |
| 5 to 600,000 square feet of of commercial as well. | 01:35:22 | |
| So just look over what I've just handed out. I've highlighted in blue those items that I'm going to address tonight with a slide | 01:35:30 | |
| and go a little bit more depth in into that. I thought either needed some clarification or some discussion. | 01:35:36 | |
| Happy to discuss any others that anybody else has on the list. | 01:35:44 | |
| But these are the ones that will be going into SO. | 01:35:47 | |
| If anything else comes up, you can just call it out by row number there and we will address it. | 01:35:51 | |
| Umm. | 01:35:59 | |
| Number one on the list was affordable housing. | 01:36:01 | |
| And we've had other slides and committed to up to 25 developer contributed units for the 1st 1300 residential units. So I guess | 01:36:04 | |
| there's some change to this language versus what it has been. I'm just trying to clarify. | 01:36:09 | |
| That we're going to deliver one for 52 market units. So we'll phase them in as we deliver units, if that makes sense. | 01:36:15 | |
| And we've already committed to the 20. | 01:36:23 | |
| Is there a city manager asked. What about if we go from 1300 to 1500, how does that work? And so we've committed here to do it an | 01:36:27 | |
| additional 4 units. | 01:36:31 | |
| Assuming that 1500 units are approved and those would be added when units 1301 to 1500. | 01:36:36 | |
| Are added at a rate of 1 per 50 market rate units and then we've talked about deed restricting those for 25 to 30 years. And so | 01:36:43 | |
| the development agreement had I think some placeholders of the draft that you reviewed. | 01:36:49 | |
| And so this is some clarifying language of what we're proposing. I believe in the, in the development agreement it says 60 or 60 | 01:36:55 | |
| markets, we might end it. It does. We reduce that just to make sure it was. | 01:37:00 | |
| Consistent because we're now breaking out between the 1 to 13101 to 15. I just want to make sure those rates are consistent | 01:37:06 | |
| because that is 1500. | 01:37:10 | |
| Does that make sense? Yep. | 01:37:15 | |
| And then in addition, we've been talking with. | 01:37:18 | |
| The city just about additional RDA funded and you know we presented a slide that shows that we could potentially add additional | 01:37:21 | |
| and so we are will commit to work with the city on additional RDA funded. | 01:37:28 | |
| Those units and how many of those will be determined based on the available funding obviously with the RDA each year and at the | 01:37:35 | |
| end of the end of the year, there'll be an application made assuming that we met the qualifications for affordable housing and | 01:37:39 | |
| that can be reimbursed. | 01:37:43 | |
| And so that'll be added as well. So anywhere there's an. | 01:37:49 | |
| By any of these sentences, this is something that's slightly different or modified versus the language of the development | 01:37:52 | |
| agreement that you. | 01:37:55 | |
| Were provided on Tuesday, Tuesday. So these are just some clar. | 01:37:58 | |
| Clarifying language that we've come up with in the last few days after talking with staff. | 01:38:02 | |
| In there, there's also the option for the city to come back and say if we agree to a place where there's surface parking, what | 01:38:08 | |
| does that do? We take the same economic concession that we've given and we turn that back into additional affordable housing if we | 01:38:12 | |
| find an area with surface. | 01:38:17 | |
| And the same is true with option #2 if you come back and say, well, like 70% is the right number. | 01:38:22 | |
| You tell us that within the first year of the development agreement being signed so we can react to it in time. | 01:38:27 | |
| Then. | 01:38:33 | |
| Then again, we take the same economic benefit and we contribute that to additional affordable units. Is that all? | 01:38:35 | |
| Does it all make sense on what we're proposing? | 01:38:41 | |
| Any questions or comments on affordable? | 01:38:45 | |
| One of the requests was for what can change in the master plan and what can't. And so in exhibit E we provided in paragraph 2A | 01:38:51 | |
| statement that basically says. | 01:38:56 | |
| These are the areas that we're providing, right. This table over here is in the development agreement and says this is the acreage | 01:39:01 | |
| for each area when we come and we submit a site plan that shows the adjacent. | 01:39:06 | |
| Open space areas that have to be developed concurrently, we can plus or minus that 10% without having to go back for City Council | 01:39:13 | |
| approval on. | 01:39:17 | |
| However, the total acreage still needs to meet the 5.9 private open space acreage. | 01:39:21 | |
| And then of course we have the Geneva Trail park which we are donating. There will be a public park to get to the 6.9 or 7 acres | 01:39:28 | |
| that we've been talking about before, so. | 01:39:32 | |
| We'll we'll bring a site plan. | 01:39:37 | |
| The size and the shape might slightly be different, right? The East Gateway park might be different because that building shape | 01:39:39 | |
| might be different, but the basic acreage is ±10%. | 01:39:44 | |
| And then when we're all said and done, it needs to equal to 5.9 for private open space. | 01:39:48 | |
| Any questions or concerns? So when you do that, would you just remember to clarify that with us just we don't forget or do you | 01:39:55 | |
| need to, I guess does that make sense as far as each site plan? Yeah or is that too much effort? I guess you know what I'm saying, | 01:40:01 | |
| it's an accountability with each site plan and I'm sure that I'm sure that Morgan is going to be. | 01:40:07 | |
| I just figured it would be. I just didn't know. And we we could too. I mean, as a Planning Commission, you should say. | 01:40:15 | |
| You know where where we at? You know get the site plan 3 and yeah, you know. | 01:40:21 | |
| I don't. I haven't been through a site plan to venture, but often times it's here's all the requirements. Here's how. | 01:40:27 | |
| The applicant met them, right. They'll usually go to zoning, which is correct. Basically the zoning and we would we would | 01:40:32 | |
| reconcile it in there. | 01:40:36 | |
| Are usually really hard for me to get over detail in there, so I guess that's true. So thank you. | 01:40:40 | |
| OK. I'll, I'll move on. | 01:40:47 | |
| Question. So comment #18 there. When is open space that we were committing to providing going to be? | 01:40:51 | |
| Constructed and so. | 01:40:58 | |
| In paragraph 2.3 of the development agreement, we say basically it has to be improved no later than the development of immediately | 01:41:01 | |
| adjacent parcel structures or parcels. So I'm going to go through a couple examples just so it's clear Morgan brought this up | 01:41:05 | |
| earlier. | 01:41:10 | |
| But if we were to come in and say we want to develop this hotel, all this dashed area around that hotel would have to be | 01:41:15 | |
| delivered. In this case, the parking would also have to be delivered. And so basically the extent of all. | 01:41:20 | |
| The alleyway would need to be delivered with that hotel Hotel development. | 01:41:26 | |
| As Morgan said, if we were to then come back and say, well actually we're going to start to, you know, breaking ground on this in | 01:41:32 | |
| six months. | 01:41:35 | |
| It may not make. | 01:41:38 | |
| To deliver the entire. | 01:41:39 | |
| Of this alley trail, and therefore we could bond. | 01:41:41 | |
| For this, do the construction and bring it all. | 01:41:45 | |
| In one part, the other thing that we're. | 01:41:48 | |
| Is that there'll be some kind of continuity for pedestrians within a block. | 01:41:52 | |
| You know, in this case the parking and the structures will be separate. But if for some reason we were only to develop this | 01:41:58 | |
| building and therefore had to approve improve this, there's also a requirement for us to provide at least temporary means to have | 01:42:02 | |
| continuity for pedestrians through a block. | 01:42:06 | |
| And I'll show that again in another example. | 01:42:10 | |
| And then the last thing that we added there that is an asterisk after that is just that Central Plaza, any building built next to | 01:42:13 | |
| that we're going to dividing that in half meaning. | 01:42:17 | |
| If there's a building on half of it, we have to develop half of it, not necessarily the entirety of it. So right. It's already | 01:42:21 | |
| kind of got some symmetry to it, which I'll show you in the next example. | 01:42:26 | |
| Here's another example. If we were to build on this corner, this is vineyard connector. This is Geneva trail, you know here at | 01:42:32 | |
| this E Gateway park, then gets developed as well as the shared St. next to it. | 01:42:37 | |
| If we were to build this office building, you don't want to deal with the parking within it. Really, the the parking will be here | 01:42:43 | |
| and it'll be built together. We would develop everything that's adjacent and half of the Central Park when this one's built. | 01:42:48 | |
| Obviously, when this building's built or this building's built in, the other half of the Central Park would be built. | 01:42:54 | |
| And then we would again be required to provide some continuity because this is within a block to provide pedestrian access in the | 01:43:01 | |
| example on the left would so the open space corridor. | 01:43:06 | |
| Kind of the alley that is to the West, what what would happen there with that? Yeah, I should have highlighted this as well, | 01:43:14 | |
| right. Because technically this is open space, we've called it amenity open space, but that road only obviously be developed to | 01:43:19 | |
| get the parking into it and then for that area around it would also be adjacent. | 01:43:25 | |
| Any questions or clarity needed? | 01:43:37 | |
| What we proposed for the phasing? | 01:43:40 | |
| Great parking. | 01:43:46 | |
| You know, we've talked about this. | 01:43:50 | |
| I think we've mentioned. | 01:43:52 | |
| That we. | 01:43:54 | |
| Having visited four or five or six public meetings now, I think parking takes up half of them and the discussion time, we | 01:43:55 | |
| understand it's a big deal. We just. | 01:44:00 | |
| To address. | 01:44:06 | |
| Some sensitivities. | 01:44:07 | |
| I'm not quite sure we have the right language for you. | 01:44:10 | |
| You know. | 01:44:14 | |
| Concern was, are we responsible to provide parking for the theater, right? | 01:44:15 | |
| If we go to a parking study in the theaters parked all over our parking spots, is that become our problem financially and | 01:44:21 | |
| economically And so we just need some kind of a statement in there to say. | 01:44:25 | |
| We're not responsible for infiltration and we can measure that. Typically Hales would do a study when that theater's not at full | 01:44:31 | |
| capacity and therefore right if it fails with the with the parking engineer. | 01:44:36 | |
| So that doesn't become an issue, but sorry, comment. | 01:44:42 | |
| You know if people are parked. | 01:44:48 | |
| That's parking that's not there for the residents, so I would say. | 01:44:50 | |
| Yes, it would be your problem to ensure that infiltration doesn't take place on. | 01:44:55 | |
| Parking spots, I mean, because that's reality and that's what the parking studies would do. So if if we're. | 01:45:00 | |
| If you eliminate what's reality in a parking study. | 01:45:08 | |
| Then it's not gonna. | 01:45:12 | |
| What's the plan for in reality is that's my gut feel. | 01:45:15 | |
| Yes, I get what you're saying. Like if someone was parking in my driveway and you came by and said, hey. | 01:45:19 | |
| Yeah, you've got three cars. Like no, I don't. That's somebody else's. They shouldn't be there. But like I would put that on me to | 01:45:24 | |
| be like, yeah, they don't belong here. They like I need to get rid of it as far as parking management to ensure that parking with | 01:45:28 | |
| agreed. | 01:45:33 | |
| So I hesitate to we and and and this is, you know, we. | 01:45:38 | |
| You shouldn't be financially liable to be, you know, an extra parking lot for a different business that's not related to yours. I | 01:46:15 | |
| I get that, but I also want to acknowledge that. | 01:46:21 | |
| If fifty of your spots are used up by infiltrators. | 01:46:27 | |
| That's fifty spots that Aren. | 01:46:30 | |
| For the residents there, like that's reality, right? So I think. | 01:46:33 | |
| That's that would be what I would consider a parking problem there would need to be addressed before we move forward. | 01:46:38 | |
| That's all I'm saying. I'm on the same page, addressed with. | 01:46:45 | |
| Ensuring that the infiltration isn't occurring, not necessarily addressed, however. Yeah, yeah, yeah, well, it depends. I mean if | 01:46:49 | |
| you're so if you're going parking structures, I mean that that's going to be a lot easier for you for you to to manage those. | 01:46:56 | |
| On on the streets you're going to get some during your normal operation, but if if someone is there at 1:00 AM, you know, I mean | 01:47:02 | |
| that that's where the enforcement mechanism. So if you start off with enforcement and permits, you know let's say at night you, | 01:47:07 | |
| you let residents there park at night, but they have to be gone you know at 6:00 AM or or whatever so the retail spaces can open | 01:47:12 | |
| back up. | 01:47:17 | |
| Umm. | 01:47:23 | |
| I I don't think we want to Ding you for having a mixed-use site where you know where there's some flexibility people can park once | 01:47:24 | |
| but. | 01:47:29 | |
| You know we we do need to ensure that the like the management is done at a higher level and so that that that's why I'm kind of | 01:47:34 | |
| cautious about saying we take that fully off because I don't want to take the kind of responsibility of managing the system out of | 01:47:38 | |
| the equation. | 01:47:43 | |
| Agreed. The only way this works for us is if we manage it right because you put it, you put the if it's not managed well, now all | 01:47:51 | |
| of a sudden our project and land isn't viable anymore because we have to provide more parking than we can economically absorb, | 01:47:57 | |
| right? And so. | 01:48:02 | |
| That becomes the challenge. I'll just. | 01:48:08 | |
| We have customers on our side and they need certainty, right. Those customers are called investors and it's really hard to be able | 01:48:12 | |
| to. | 01:48:16 | |
| Investor, you're now responsible to pay for the theaters parking and so that's all I'm trying to say here is. | 01:48:21 | |
| Somehow we need to account for that and understand it and work together to find a solution and just instead of just saying. | 01:48:27 | |
| Developer people are parking there when they shouldn't. You're doing everything you can to enforce. | 01:48:33 | |
| You know, and maybe it's that's outside of our ability to enforce there's there's got to be some kind of disclaimer to be able to | 01:48:38 | |
| understand that and have a discussion instead of just assuming carte Blanc. It's our, it's our problem because people are | 01:48:43 | |
| overflowing into our. Yeah. And I don't want to be like cold hearted about it, but it sounds like you've got a whole lot of | 01:48:48 | |
| motivation to do it right then. That's right. So and I think that's kind of what we're going for here which which is the which is | 01:48:52 | |
| the incentive you guys are trying to create. | 01:48:57 | |
| And then the other thing I think we have to address in that language. | 01:49:06 | |
| You know. | 01:49:09 | |
| We are planning to develop an own long term multifamily housing commercial. | 01:49:11 | |
| But there is a provision right to to sell land and there is a right for a landowner to sell. And so just so that this agreement is | 01:49:17 | |
| watertight. And if that were to happen now, how does this work right, We do a parking study. | 01:49:23 | |
| Landlord A is not managing their parking very well. Landlord B is now impacted by that. Just how does that work and how does that | 01:49:29 | |
| get mediated? | 01:49:33 | |
| And all I'm saying is, maybe it's not. | 01:49:36 | |
| We just take the results of the parking study, maybe it's about management and having a discussion and being able to account for | 01:49:40 | |
| some of those kind of things as well. So that landlord, you know Developer B is going to put up in the building isn't necessarily. | 01:49:46 | |
| Negatively impacted by poor management. Again it's, it's, it's, it's how do we manage poor management. And I will say one thing | 01:49:52 | |
| that we're going to have here that I don't know you have anywhere else is, is this parking management plan is going to be recorded | 01:49:56 | |
| covenant. | 01:49:59 | |
| So we're going to bring to you like this is a parking permit is going to work. This is how monitoring is going to work and now | 01:50:04 | |
| there is a recorded covenant which. | 01:50:08 | |
| You know, if Legal was here, they could talk about the city's ability to enforce a recorded covenant. | 01:50:12 | |
| That I don't know that you have anywhere else in terms of enforcement. I think, I think it'll give you more leverage, but again | 01:50:17 | |
| probably outside of my, my purview to say, but maybe Morgan or somebody else knows more about that but. | 01:50:23 | |
| So we'll have to talk to Jamie about it. Typically you know I'm not definitely not an expert on covenants, but we've we've always | 01:50:29 | |
| been given the direction that the city doesn't enforce. | 01:50:34 | |
| Covenants, but if they're if, if the management plan is something that gets approved by the city. | 01:50:40 | |
| Then we could, we can and we can enforce city plans and things that have been approved by the city. | 01:50:46 | |
| So we'd have to, we have to look at the, the covenant issue and maybe the covenants provide the city that ability to do some | 01:50:54 | |
| enforcement. But I think our our thinking was that it would be enforced privately, you know like they they would they would | 01:51:00 | |
| contract with a towing company. Yeah, no, the initial management of those are understanding if we're not, if we're not managing | 01:51:06 | |
| what we promised to manage. I think I think that gives you guys an additional layer of teeth. | 01:51:11 | |
| So kind of the same feelings as Anthony on this one, too. | 01:51:19 | |
| We've had other developments and made promises and. | 01:51:22 | |
| The only teeth, really, that the city can have is. | 01:51:27 | |
| By a say say the first development is not managed well and they needed 500 more parking spots. | 01:51:31 | |
| Well, we can just look at the new one and be like, well, they needed 500 more, so you need 500 more. But we're just stuck with the | 01:51:39 | |
| crap parking that's on the first one, like it needs to be mitigated in the second one. So if the parking study says that they're | 01:51:46 | |
| failing or they need more units for that, I think that they need to be covered in the next phase of development. | 01:51:53 | |
| You mean building #2 would actually cover the the issue the building #1? | 01:52:01 | |
| Yeah, that's. | 01:52:08 | |
| I mean if you can't have, if you don't feel confident enough in your management, then I don't feel confident in it happening. Like | 01:52:10 | |
| it's not that we don't feel confident in the management. I don't think that's, I don't think that's the concern. Then why are you | 01:52:15 | |
| concerned? It's just it's again think of the sequence of ownership, it may not even be our management. | 01:52:20 | |
| I mean the value, the value of the property is going to be less if it's not managed correctly. So agreed, so which? | 01:52:27 | |
| Which is our concern because if we were to sell a building. | 01:52:34 | |
| And again, I'm not saying that we're we're going. | 01:52:37 | |
| Our desire is to hold, but we have the same concern now that you do is if that isn't managed well, now we're. | 01:52:41 | |
| We're detriment like we have to make up what they what they're not managing well. So it's either we get screwed or you get screwed | 01:52:48 | |
| like it's a tough it's a tough issue isn't it. Yeah. So but we're not in charge of the management you are So that's where I kind | 01:52:53 | |
| of we are if we own the building I but I mean don't you own the land, Steve won't there be like a master association that and then | 01:52:59 | |
| that association could could enforce the CCNRS. I mean I I I think so even if I mean you look at a homeowners association you | 01:53:05 | |
| might have. | 01:53:11 | |
| You know, 100 different owners, but they're, you know, there, there is an enforcement mechanism that can enforce it. Everyone, | 01:53:17 | |
| yeah. | 01:53:20 | |
| So I think that's kind of what we're talking about. If if there's at least like 1 consistent management arm that can cover the | 01:53:24 | |
| entire development, I think that's satisfying. | 01:53:28 | |
| So how how do we have teeth? Like if the first phase of the development comes in and they need 500? This is a drastic example, | 01:53:33 | |
| right? They need 500 extra stalls and it's like well. | 01:53:38 | |
| Dang it. Like we'll fix the next one, but that one's still a big problem. Like. | 01:53:45 | |
| I don't understand how that that would be fine with us. Yeah, I see your point that that's something that Ezra and I have have | 01:53:50 | |
| talked about. | 01:53:55 | |
| Yeah, I mean you have to be that put in the development agreement if if you wanted them to make up for for those, those parking | 01:54:01 | |
| spaces and obviously you're hearing for Steve that they're, you know they're they're opposed to doing that and I understand | 01:54:06 | |
| because that provides. | 01:54:10 | |
| A lot of unknowns, you know that's and the unknowns are tough for developers that could millions of dollars into these projects | 01:54:16 | |
| and so it it's hard to have an unknown like that but yeah. | 01:54:22 | |
| I definitely see why you're concerned about it and wanting to ensure that. | 01:54:28 | |
| That the lack of parking in the first phase is made-up in the second phase. And so then ultimately I think that that would put | 01:54:34 | |
| even a stronger motivation to the developer to to manage the parking really well, yeah. | 01:54:40 | |
| And I I think that's the general theme is like from the get go, we just want. | 01:54:47 | |
| You know, and no, no, no, I see them. He's on top of it. So I think that that's what they're gonna that's that's what they're | 01:54:51 | |
| gonna strive for. But you you want some protection in the development agreement. | 01:54:56 | |
| I mean, just even the idea and a rap building to think that. | 01:55:07 | |
| Now people are going to be parking in a different building in a residential. I mean the functionality of that is I think | 01:55:11 | |
| challenging. You have two different owners. That's now very challenging. | 01:55:16 | |
| I just don't know how water tight that is. I understand why you want it. I think it makes if I'm in your chair, I want the same | 01:55:21 | |
| thing. | 01:55:24 | |
| But given the constraints, I don't see how that's feasible from our side. | 01:55:28 | |
| I honestly, I I. | 01:55:37 | |
| For me personally, I don't know about the other commissioners. I I couldn't depend on that. | 01:55:39 | |
| We just with all the other developments and the problems we've been having and promises that have been made, I'd hate to be. | 01:55:46 | |
| Yeah, do it. And if your management isn't good like, Oh well. | 01:55:53 | |
| Like I can't. | 01:55:57 | |
| That's for me personally, I. | 01:55:59 | |
| I think the frame that's difficult for people. | 01:56:02 | |
| We're going to. | 01:56:08 | |
| I don't know what it'll be. | 01:56:10 | |
| Because the parking ratio per square foot is so much higher for office. | 01:56:13 | |
| As we attract commercial users. | 01:56:17 | |
| Extra We're going to talk about excess parking. | 01:56:23 | |
| With a mixed-use development, you are building an excess evening parking. If there's going to be a parking constraint, it's going | 01:56:27 | |
| to be in the daytime when commercial and there's a certain portion of the residential units through. | 01:56:32 | |
| So it really shouldn't be an issue, so there shouldn't be a problem. | 01:56:37 | |
| I It's reassuring hearing that. | 01:56:40 | |
| But then you also seem concerned about what the parking study will show. If I might the the concern is like he's been mentioning | 01:56:44 | |
| on the office perspective. | 01:56:49 | |
| Say for example we develop an office. | 01:56:54 | |
| You know the there's parking minimums in the code to be able to provide, you know, in theory, sufficient stalls for those office | 01:56:58 | |
| buildings. | 01:57:02 | |
| Say that somebody you know wants to do a build a suit. It's a company that wants to own the building so that that business card, | 01:57:06 | |
| you know they they buy the property. | 01:57:11 | |
| They have the building so that they go out of business and a call center, you know, ends up going in there. All of a sudden their | 01:57:15 | |
| parking requirement is no longer three per thousand, it's like 10 per thousand. | 01:57:21 | |
| And we can have the liability of having to come back. | 01:57:27 | |
| And. | 01:57:31 | |
| Provide parking for building that we don't even know anymore. So who provides it? | 01:57:32 | |
| That's what, that's the issue We're coming to like we can't possibly. It's a management enforcement issue. Yeah, Yeah. Which is | 01:57:38 | |
| out of our hands, which, which, I mean this kind of goes back to the same thing. | 01:57:43 | |
| Maybe we're spinning our wheels too much here, but. | 01:57:51 | |
| Would a tenant come in if they needed? | 01:57:54 | |
| Spots per 1000 and there was only three. My my assumption is if someone was going to drop that cash on moving a company here. | 01:57:57 | |
| They probably say, oh, it doesn't meet our needs. Yeah, I mean that's how I would. We've seen from a financing standpoint that | 01:58:05 | |
| like. | 01:58:09 | |
| You know parking is important too from from from the, you know, the lenders. And so you know if a company wants to come in and do | 01:58:14 | |
| have, they have a requirement of 10 per thousand and they're trying to get. | 01:58:19 | |
| Lending so they can do the TI and a lot. They may have a hard time and I'm happy to go on the record saying like I'm actually not | 01:58:25 | |
| one that's opposed to the amount of proposed density maybe in the minority. | 01:58:32 | |
| As long. | 01:58:39 | |
| These things are mitigated, right? So like I I don't have a problem with 1500 units if. | 01:58:41 | |
| These things are mitigated and. | 01:58:47 | |
| What? | 01:58:49 | |
| What I'm likely to recommend? | 01:58:51 | |
| Not getting rid of like the infiltration of future projects only a lot of that, because I feel like that would. | 01:58:53 | |
| That would allow for. | 01:58:59 | |
| Basically we're planning for success. I get that it causes some. | 01:59:00 | |
| Issues or maybe not issues, but. | 01:59:04 | |
| Extra challenges for you as a developer to figure out, but. | 01:59:09 | |
| The alternative is, you know, current zoning can also move forward with, but that also proposes its own challenges. So I don't | 01:59:15 | |
| know, I don't, I don't necessarily need to go any further on that. I think. I think I've been pretty clear on that one. | 01:59:21 | |
| Eliminates the ability to trans. | 01:59:28 | |
| Which, for a developer, is the nuclear problem. | 01:59:31 | |
| We just can't sign up for something that won't allow us to transact and so. | 01:59:36 | |
| Right. We have land we can't transact on right now and it's not very fun. So and and obviously the Planning Commission is | 01:59:41 | |
| providing the recommendation of the City Council. So what I recommend doing I think you guys have been considerate of of kind of | 01:59:47 | |
| what the land owners issues are they have been considered the city. There's some things that you may not agree on 100%. What I'd | 01:59:53 | |
| recommend doing if you if you do want something as part of the recommendation you put you put it in your motion and then that's | 01:59:58 | |
| something that. | 02:00:04 | |
| Could be a discussion with the City Council ultimately when they when they make the approval. | 02:00:11 | |
| So like, I'm not saying you guys don't necessarily need to come to an agreement, You can say this is what our desire is, Planning | 02:00:15 | |
| Commission, the City Council can consider it. | 02:00:19 | |
| Yeah. | 02:00:24 | |
| It's an uncomfortable stance because we understand. I really do understand. | 02:00:25 | |
| But I also understand. | 02:00:29 | |
| The issue that we could experience on our sites. | 02:00:32 | |
| For sale units to Mr. Breyer, thank you. Were at the City Council meeting and you heard some of the discussion there and I sent a | 02:00:38 | |
| follow up e-mail. We're not opposed to this. We again just see some headwinds on it that we're not quite sure how to get over that | 02:00:44 | |
| hurdle yet and therefore committing to the development agreement is challenging. | 02:00:50 | |
| Again, I think the goal was good and I think the idea is is. | 02:00:57 | |
| Changing the market dynamics obviously for sale product isn't doing fantastic right now. | 02:01:02 | |
| When, when that'll end, I don't know for sure. | 02:01:07 | |
| Interest rates will affect that, obviously the building scale driven by the underlying zoning requirements. | 02:01:11 | |
| You know you can't build a parking structure for a small little development and make it financially work. It needs scale and mass | 02:01:17 | |
| and therefore you would be required to do for sale units in scale and mass and and that just creates again a certain amount of | 02:01:22 | |
| risk. | 02:01:26 | |
| We're not sure. | 02:01:32 | |
| How the market would react to and therefore it would take a lot more study and a lot more understanding. | 02:01:34 | |
| And then the last thing that the parking structures again you're going to add 50 sixty $70,000 a unit just because of the the the | 02:01:39 | |
| cost of structured parking versus say a condo a townhome that you don't have a garage in a in a. | 02:01:44 | |
| If if if we're competing with $375,000 condos in town homes and now we're just having to be 454 sixty, we're not sure the market | 02:01:51 | |
| will pay for that premium just to be to be there and so. | 02:01:57 | |
| Just there have to be stud. | 02:02:04 | |
| In thinking about the site plan, if there's a pocket where we can fit some three story townhomes with some tech under garages, | 02:02:06 | |
| right, I think that's a great idea and we love it. I'm just not quite sure how to fit that into the plan yet. And I think as we | 02:02:10 | |
| develop the site plans. | 02:02:14 | |
| Some opportunities like that make me show themselves and we could definitely address it so. | 02:02:18 | |
| So that was that's the response in for sale any discussion wanted there. | 02:02:25 | |
| There was a request on comment #24 of the sheet there to How do we ensure that pedestrian priority on the central shared St. | 02:02:32 | |
| And. | 02:02:41 | |
| In. | 02:02:43 | |
| Of the development agreement we talk about design guidelines and this is just a snippet for the central shared St. | 02:02:45 | |
| And you can just see we've highlighted several things that talk about that, but this is the big one, emphasized pedestrian micro | 02:02:54 | |
| mobility flow. So the idea is we'll bring a site plan. | 02:02:58 | |
| We're gonna detail design what that shirt St. looks like. | 02:03:03 | |
| And again kind of getting back to that site plan criteria, the criteria then go back to this development agreement and say. | 02:03:07 | |
| Developer, you had to prioritize and emphasize micro mobility, flow, vehicle, pedestrian, and delineate these various pieces on | 02:03:13 | |
| the street somehow so that everybody can participate together. | 02:03:18 | |
| And that'll be the opportunity for. | 02:03:24 | |
| You know to actually evaluate that design and ensure that it works, but we put the requirement. | 02:03:26 | |
| To. | 02:03:30 | |
| To hold that as a. | 02:03:32 | |
| Does that address the concern? | 02:03:36 | |
| What kind of parking are you thinking on on? | 02:03:39 | |
| In this area like I don't think it would, it would be like 15 minute loading zone, right? | 02:03:43 | |
| Potentially depending on if. | 02:03:50 | |
| Typically in our multi family developments there's like an overhead door that can be pulled up to a freight elevator. So people | 02:03:53 | |
| are are are moving. There could be something like that, like it's a little area where a moving truck could come. | 02:03:58 | |
| Access an overhead door if there was one, and get to the freight elevator. | 02:04:04 | |
| Well, we talked about FedEx delivery. We talked about UPS deliveries. I think opportunities like that could be on here, but they | 02:04:08 | |
| would be shorter duration parking situations maybe there'd be, you know, we talked about retail. | 02:04:13 | |
| Maybe even some dining along that central Plaza, right? So you could have some handicapped stalls parked here, but potentially. | 02:04:19 | |
| Can we clear it? Can we clarify that in this? | 02:04:27 | |
| To make it so that there's it would be short term parking and handicapped parking. | 02:04:31 | |
| OK, just so that. | 02:04:36 | |
| No room for other. Yeah. Loading short term parking or handicapped, Yeah, that would be great. I don't personally have any | 02:04:38 | |
| concerns with that. | 02:04:42 | |
| Yeah. | 02:04:45 | |
| Yeah, it's meant to be open and free flowing. Not a whole bunch of yeah, yeah, we definitely want it to be super awkward to drive | 02:04:46 | |
| on it, yeah. | 02:04:50 | |
| Entrances along Major Rd. So this was a request that came up to say. | 02:04:57 | |
| We don't want to see backs of buildings basically on major roads and I saw today. | 02:05:04 | |
| The request is to add. | 02:05:09 | |
| More major roads to 650 and Mill Rd. So we'll take that back internally. | 02:05:10 | |
| We basically agreed. | 02:05:16 | |
| That will put at least 40% of the ground floor units that are facing a major Rd. on a residential building to have an entry. | 02:05:17 | |
| Right, that has some kind of architectural interest in a walkway to connect. | 02:05:24 | |
| And then the commercial buildings, the primary or secondary entry that faces are within 30 feet of a facade. So the idea there | 02:05:28 | |
| again is if if there are trails or sidewalks. | 02:05:33 | |
| You know if the Geneva trail turns and young vineyard connector that you can access that and. | 02:05:38 | |
| Your insight of. | 02:05:45 | |
| And be able to access the Main Street there. | 02:05:48 | |
| And again, those would be for buildings that kind of have a substantial presence. I put 150 feet facing a major Rd. | 02:05:53 | |
| And you said that little exhibit might be ready for the City Council meeting next week that you made as far as the sidelines. | 02:06:02 | |
| I'm yeah, OK. Yep, Yep. I will follow up on that and. | 02:06:08 | |
| Make sure we have it. We hope to have it today, but it wasn't quite ready. | 02:06:12 | |
| And so those are the ones in blue that I highlighted and I have addressed that I thought needed some time. Does anybody have | 02:06:18 | |
| anything else you'd like to bring up? | 02:06:22 | |
| I just I'm trying to for the the clarification on the A&E. | 02:06:33 | |
| Five stories or 75 feet, whichever is greater, whichever is. | 02:06:41 | |
| Oh yeah, just just the clarity on that one. | 02:06:47 | |
| A typical five story building that you'd be proposing. What? What would? | 02:06:52 | |
| I'd be. I believe the zoning requires this to have a 14 or 15 foot ground floor and so and you know 12 to 14 feet above that if it | 02:06:56 | |
| was a commercial building or whatever. Sometimes we do 15 feet clear. | 02:07:02 | |
| So yeah, 5 * 1575. | 02:07:09 | |
| I don't think we're gonna be over 75 feet on the five story build. | 02:07:13 | |
| So that kind of synonymous here, but you're saying just for clarity's sake, yeah, whichever's greater. | 02:07:18 | |
| And then a couple of. | 02:07:30 | |
| Questions I had as far as percentage of commercial to residential. | 02:07:32 | |
| Have you guys considered a percentage, adding a percentage making that? | 02:07:38 | |
| So right now, it's 50% of the ground floor, but I'm talking like an overall percentage of both. Have you guys considered that? | 02:07:44 | |
| Have you thought about that? I know it's been brought up with us and with the City Council and #32 on this, there was a request | 02:07:50 | |
| for 50%. | 02:07:55 | |
| Yeah. Residency does not be more than 50% and we just like. | 02:08:06 | |
| We're kind of at 33 right now. | 02:08:11 | |
| To invest what we're investing for, you know, 17%. | 02:08:13 | |
| That's not viable. | 02:08:17 | |
| Would you be? | 02:08:21 | |
| To put 33 as a minimum. | 02:08:23 | |
| 33% commercial minimum like put that in the in the development. | 02:08:25 | |
| Are you are you looking for like a number? Like yeah, I would like, I would like to see a number so that. | 02:08:30 | |
| I I mean so for instance, no more than 66% of the. | 02:08:35 | |
| Total square footage of the development could be residential, correct? | 02:08:40 | |
| Once fully built out or yeah, one fully built out and then the next thing I was going to add was I know it was somewhere I'm | 02:08:46 | |
| trying, I was trying to find it again, that there has to be a certain amount of commercial built out at certain phases. | 02:08:52 | |
| And. | 02:09:31 | |
| Did you, did you find that this is the slide that was before there's been one change and so we said 50%. | 02:09:34 | |
| During development, it can't be less than 20% on the ground floor. And then we originally asked for initial phase of three acres | 02:09:41 | |
| of 300 units without commercial. It's since negotiated and I think it's a #30 square feet per year. | 02:09:49 | |
| Development that's 9000 square feet of commercial that would have to be delivered along with that initial phase, so. | 02:09:58 | |
| So that's the idea. And then again those dashed lines that are required commercial ground floor, so on both sides of the street | 02:10:04 | |
| there. | 02:10:08 | |
| So yeah, that looked that looks good and the 50% ground level looks good. I just like to also have a percent as the overall. | 02:10:13 | |
| Yeah, I don't know what I'm to make that call here, but. | 02:10:27 | |
| If we can make it as a as a comment that needs to be addressed in your recommendation or however the right way to deal with that | 02:10:31 | |
| is, yeah, I mean if they put it in their recommendation then then that's something that we can just consider with the the City | 02:10:38 | |
| Council. So I mean obviously it it provides that that ability for you to, you know fine tune it with the City Council. | 02:10:44 | |
| OK. | 02:10:54 | |
| Did you guys have any? | 02:11:03 | |
| Additional questions. | 02:11:05 | |
| How? | 02:11:10 | |
| I don't have anything substantive other than I appreciate the effort that you've made to put it into a table that talks about how | 02:11:12 | |
| except you're being considered still. So I guess with. | 02:11:17 | |
| The City Council stuff moving forward, I guess the idea would be to add additional clarification. | 02:11:24 | |
| Does that make sense? Yeah, the ones I'm I'm thinking of would be. | 02:11:30 | |
| Yeah, clarity on that shared St. the loading short term handicap. | 02:11:37 | |
| I've got, I've got the conditions right now more than 66%. | 02:11:44 | |
| Yeah, yeah. I wouldn't mind seeing that. And then the other one I was thinking of is with the parking personally, I would be | 02:11:49 | |
| comfortable making recommendation to. | 02:11:53 | |
| Go the stricter route on that and then see where details are ironed out. But. | 02:11:58 | |
| Those are the key ones. And then start Morgan. | 02:12:04 | |
| So everyone's gonna allow for public comment since I told everybody. | 02:12:08 | |
| They couldn't see anything on the agenda. | 02:12:13 | |
| If alright, sorry, not yes. | 02:12:17 | |
| So if anybody has any. | 02:12:19 | |
| Comments. It's not going to. | 02:12:23 | |
| We're not opening up a public hearing again, just real quick. If you have any comments, please limit them. | 02:12:27 | |
| To two minutes. | 02:12:34 | |
| Yeah, if any of you guys have any comments come? | 02:12:38 | |
| Oh, sorry. | 02:12:51 | |
| Daria Evans, the new resident. | 02:12:57 | |
| I just have a question about the hotel par. | 02:12:59 | |
| Is that going to be shared with the, with the residential? | 02:13:04 | |
| Or is it going to be its own entity in it of itself? And how are you going to regulate that parking so you don't get infiltrators? | 02:13:08 | |
| For that parking at the. | 02:13:17 | |
| And. | 02:13:20 | |
| What kind of improvements will the developer make? | 02:13:22 | |
| For roadways. | 02:13:26 | |
| Deal with. | 02:13:31 | |
| Traffic. Those are my questions. | 02:13:34 | |
| So as far as the public streets at 800 N Mill Road and that was the develop. | 02:13:37 | |
| Their hands are tied with that. That's just on the city, that if there are improvements that need to be made, the city needs to | 02:13:45 | |
| make those improvements. | 02:13:48 | |
| We did do a reimbursement in the project first started on the the 650 N to that another project that they they upfront it in the | 02:13:53 | |
| city did reimbursement afterwards. | 02:13:58 | |
| And then as far as hotel parking, I guess I could let you guys answer this, but it depends on the hotel and how they decide to | 02:14:06 | |
| manage their parking. | 02:14:09 | |
| I would. | 02:14:13 | |
| If I may just on the the intersections, we will pay substantial impact fees which will ultimately be used for traffic upgrades, | 02:14:16 | |
| and that's one of the ways that you'll the city will have funds to be able to upgrade intersections. | 02:14:22 | |
| Yeah, hotel parking, I'll just emphasize again, that's a conceptual layout. Yeah, if the hotel goes there and that's where the | 02:14:29 | |
| parking went. | 02:14:32 | |
| It would be part of the parking management plan. That Block is considered all commercial right now. And so again commercial and | 02:14:36 | |
| hotels work kind of like residential hotels, heavy use at night, an office building or other commercial uses are often heavy | 02:14:43 | |
| during the day. And so they'll just work together and then there should be plenty of access parking there, we have said I think. | 02:14:49 | |
| If there's capacity and there's events or there's overflow, you know we'll work to be able to replace that garage there. | 02:14:56 | |
| Potentially along that theater to help with the city's issues, despite what I said before, we don't want to be responsible for it, | 02:15:03 | |
| but we do want to be a part of a solution. So yeah, great. Thank you. | 02:15:08 | |
| Any other? | 02:15:15 | |
| Russell Evans, Vineyard residents. | 02:15:23 | |
| I just counted up. | 02:15:27 | |
| Condos in the preserve. | 02:15:30 | |
| And there's 40 buildings, 10 units per building. That's four. | 02:15:33 | |
| And things massive. So this that just gives you an idea of what they're asking for 1500. It's a little under, a little under 4 | 02:15:36 | |
| preserves for the condo portion of the town hall portion. | 02:15:41 | |
| So just that's a lot. Got something for Dakota Pacific to consider with parking. I like the back and forth on this parking. I | 02:15:47 | |
| really did show some real consideration. | 02:15:52 | |
| On it and challenges, but I like the idea of reevaluating it after the first part or whatever seeing. | 02:15:59 | |
| Consider for the. | 02:16:08 | |
| Over. | 02:16:10 | |
| Then your problem is solved that you brought up Anthony that. | 02:16:12 | |
| What happened? Or once I'm not sure. Your name leader here. | 02:16:18 | |
| You know where? | 02:16:23 | |
| Well, you've got 500. You know, Worst case scenario you need 500 bucks. | 02:16:25 | |
| Build something in to. | 02:16:30 | |
| And then on the reevaluation go down if you, if you. | 02:16:33 | |
| But of course I I believe you'll probably stay there. I I've been saying that just on that what we've seen here in. | 02:16:37 | |
| But I know it's a little more running up. | 02:16:43 | |
| But it could solve some problems downloading. | 02:16:45 | |
| And it could go down if the study the revolution show that this something considered. | 02:16:49 | |
| And those. | 02:16:55 | |
| My comment, one other question, we're talking about the development agreement. What's the legal ramifications of this? Is that a | 02:16:58 | |
| contract? | 02:17:01 | |
| Is it just a handshake? Is it? I mean, I'm just, I don't understand what what the agreement. Yeah. So yes, all of this is laid out | 02:17:06 | |
| in the agreement. So if you go to the staff report, you'll see that agreement attached. And then what happens is Planning | 02:17:12 | |
| Commission makes a recommendation, goes to the City Council. If they approve it, then it ultimately gives the mayor the the | 02:17:18 | |
| authority to to sign the agreement. | 02:17:24 | |
| Any other comments? | 02:18:08 | |
| All right. We'll keep moving forward then. Were there any other comments from the Commission? | 02:18:09 | |
| Cool. | 02:18:19 | |
| And I guess real quick question for you, Morgan, before you get into all of the all of those, do you feel like as far as the open | 02:19:03 | |
| space that they're considering the Paseo and the shared St. and stuff, do you feel like there's enough language in this? | 02:19:11 | |
| Doesn't seem like parks based. | 02:19:23 | |
| Oh yeah, yeah. I think they did an excellent job and they they went through, if you look at the agreement and this is their their | 02:19:26 | |
| proposal, they they added a lot of really specific language. They pulled some things that because they knew we already went to the | 02:19:32 | |
| downtown, they pulled some some of those requirements that that we already kind of came to consensus on the downtown, so. | 02:19:39 | |
| I'm saying, I'm saying with. | 02:20:42 | |
| Shared. | 02:20:44 | |
| Shall only allow parking for short term users. ADA, parking and loading. They get that right. The three categories you guys have | 02:20:47 | |
| mentioned? Yeah. Do you think we should define short term? | 02:20:51 | |
| And you could, you could say 15 minutes or less or I don't know if you had a suggestion, Steve, on. | 02:20:58 | |
| Yeah. | 02:21:07 | |
| We say one hour or less or two hours or less. I think the idea is that a lot of that will be 15. | 02:21:07 | |
| The intention would be long enough to load or unload, yeah, correct. | 02:21:46 | |
| So I mean if it's like. | 02:21:52 | |
| Supply someone doing the restaurant. Maybe they park in a parking garage or a different St. Yeah, but if they want to if there's. | 02:21:55 | |
| A retail store they want to run and grab something and say 10 minutes. | 02:22:03 | |
| So should we attach the time to it? | 02:22:15 | |
| Yeah, it's up to you. | 02:22:20 | |
| If so, if it's like 15 minutes, it's not going to be for a restaurant. Yes, it might be someone to order your sandwich and going, | 02:22:22 | |
| but. | 02:22:26 | |
| But is this like restaurant supplies unloading loading zones too? Was that also the intention of? | 02:22:31 | |
| That road. | 02:22:40 | |
| So perhaps some of those stalls are specifically for deliveries and that would mitigate? | 02:22:43 | |
| The need for time limit. | 02:22:56 | |
| Yeah, and I think that's what the load loading language. | 02:22:59 | |
| So for loading, I mean they could be parked longer, so maybe for short term we'd say 15 minutes short term parking. | 02:23:04 | |
| Or 30. | 02:23:10 | |
| Yeah, I mean, obviously more details are going to be hashed out next week. | 02:23:13 | |
| Well, so I. | 02:23:22 | |
| So if you put it like that, then I mean we can if you guys want to dive down a little bit. | 02:23:26 | |
| OK, Yep, Parking loading Mill Road and 650 N shall be added as major roads in the agreement. And lastly a full build out the | 02:23:39 | |
| project, So full build out of the project residential square, so they shall not exceed 66% of the entire project. | 02:23:47 | |
| Great. And then just real quick with parking on the very last one, say they have the very last development going in that's | 02:23:57 | |
| residential. | 02:24:02 | |
| And. | 02:24:10 | |
| For some reason they under park it or I guess the other. All the other units never mind. | 02:24:13 | |
| All the other units with the studies. | 02:24:18 | |
| Are going to cover that we're. | 02:24:20 | |
| Never mind. Do you need to add the 75 foot thing or did you, did we clarify that like 75 feet or less for five story building or | 02:24:22 | |
| Yeah, I'm not totally concerned if we wanted more clarity there. OK, I think that helps. I mean you can say five stories or 75 | 02:24:28 | |
| feet and it's, I mean as it's written right now, it'd just be whatever is greater. I mean because if you don't clarify then the | 02:24:35 | |
| benefit always goes to the property owner, OK. | 02:24:41 | |
| OK. So if you're OK with with the other, I mean I don't think you're going to get A5 story that's much, much higher than 75 and. | 02:24:48 | |
| I'm good with that. I'd be a really sweet penthouse or something at the top, but I don't know. That would be extraordinary. | 02:24:56 | |
| OK. | 02:25:06 | |
| So if you make them so if you you can make that first motion and you can say as stated in the record. | 02:25:09 | |
| Or you can read it if. | 02:25:19 | |
| Well, I am ready to make a motion, but I also want to reiterate that. | 02:25:26 | |
| Sometimes I feel like we all feel like we have to think exactly the same, but there's five of us up here for a reason. So if you | 02:25:30 | |
| have other amendments or. | 02:25:34 | |
| Do not agree. | 02:25:38 | |
| Then don't say that you agree? No, that's what I would say. I don't. I don't want, I don't want anyone to feel like they've got a | 02:25:39 | |
| dirt, Grayden told me. He just wants a restaurant with chicken. Right, Some good chicken. Every time I've gone out to eat, what's | 02:25:45 | |
| great and he just orders the pile of chicken. He's like, I just want a pile of chicken. | 02:25:50 | |
| Yeah, yeah. I just wanted to make that protein comments. So there are a couple of comments I just want to make before anybody | 02:25:58 | |
| makes a motion. And that's the main issues that I have with the development are. | 02:26:04 | |
| Issues that are out of their hands technically. | 02:26:12 | |
| The rail line not being removed yet, which means 650 N isn't accessible. 800 N not being expanded with paint or with more lanes. | 02:26:15 | |
| Center St. | 02:26:20 | |
| Bottlenecking. | 02:26:26 | |
| One lane and then back into two lanes. | 02:26:27 | |
| And they're not being a sidewalk for people to walk to the transit station. | 02:26:30 | |
| Those are major concerns of mine and whether or not. | 02:26:36 | |
| This gets rezoned if they decide to stick with the current zoning that is in place. Those are issues that are still going to be | 02:26:40 | |
| there. | 02:26:44 | |
| And so as they've talked about with their traffic. | 02:26:48 | |
| It would be less traffic. | 02:26:53 | |
| Those concerns are going to be there no matter what. | 02:26:58 | |
| If we had the power to be like, oh, we don't want stuff to go in there until those concerns are addressed like we would, we would | 02:27:01 | |
| make those decisions. | 02:27:06 | |
| But they're currently zoned to. | 02:27:11 | |
| Like 1,000,000 square feet of office space if they wanted to or if they could. | 02:27:16 | |
| And and on top of that million square feet, they could put in 500,000 square feet of residential. | 02:27:21 | |
| And. | 02:27:28 | |
| That could happen right now with with us denying this and the City Council denying this, that could still happen. | 02:27:29 | |
| So. | 02:27:37 | |
| We're trying to find a solution of. | 02:27:38 | |
| What what can we zone that can help them move forward? What can we zone that we think we could benefit based more than the current | 02:27:41 | |
| zoning that's there? | 02:27:46 | |
| And so. | 02:27:53 | |
| Those those things were some of my concerns. Parking is a major concern for everybody in the city and as we talked about here. | 02:27:54 | |
| I think going with a parking plan and adjusting it as it goes, I don't think that there's a better solution for parking. Even if | 02:28:04 | |
| we didn't have a minimum requirement for parking for them, they would. They would. They're very incentivized to do the right | 02:28:10 | |
| amount of parking because they get dinged if they don't, and it's very difficult as a developer to. | 02:28:16 | |
| Sell a piece of land to somebody else if it's got this requirement of you need to add X amount of parking spots. So it's very | 02:28:23 | |
| important that they get it right parking. That was my other concern with this development. | 02:28:29 | |
| Couple other things open space they. | 02:28:37 | |
| The city needs open space over there and really any open space that we can get is a benefit for the city. They are giving an acre, | 02:28:42 | |
| which doesn't seem like very much to the city, but they're. | 02:28:47 | |
| That's something that they're giving the city that they're not required to do. | 02:28:54 | |
| They meet the minimums for that parking for park space. | 02:28:58 | |
| And whether the zoning is changed now or not changed with this development agreement? | 02:29:01 | |
| They they will meet the open space. | 02:29:07 | |
| And then the city when we made this agreement with them for zoning, it was 2 to one commercial to residential. And I know that all | 02:29:13 | |
| of us would like to see more commercial, we would like to see more office space, we would like to see more of these, more of these | 02:29:18 | |
| things. | 02:29:23 | |
| They've been here for what, 10 years now? Almost. | 02:29:28 | |
| And have been having a hard time finding office tenants. | 02:29:33 | |
| Um. | 02:29:38 | |
| And while it's hard to think like, oh, we don't want, a lot of we don't want. | 02:29:39 | |
| More high density. | 02:29:44 | |
| What what we're really saying is we don't want more traffic. | 02:29:47 | |
| If density happened. | 02:29:52 | |
| And they handle their parking and everything, right? Like, I don't think a concern of density is a concern for very many people. | 02:29:56 | |
| The more people we get in the city, the more of a chance we have for different restaurants or a grocery store. | 02:30:05 | |
| And I would love like your comment earlier, Wendy, if the city could build a grocery store 100% like I'd be on board for that. But | 02:30:12 | |
| we don't own the land. We don't own the land. | 02:30:18 | |
| We. | 02:30:24 | |
| Tell a grocery store to come or we absolutely would. | 02:30:25 | |
| Developers owned the land, and grocery stores decide if it's viable for them to come. | 02:30:30 | |
| And if it is, they'll come. If it's not, they won't. And in our current situation, the way we're stuck between 9:15 and the lake, | 02:30:36 | |
| it's been real hard for developers. | 02:30:41 | |
| To find grocery stores, even with incentives from the city. So the city's working on it. Developers want to sell their land. | 02:30:47 | |
| They're working on it. | 02:30:51 | |
| It's just a matter of time. Do we have enough people here that the grocery stores like, oh, we want to put a grocery store there? | 02:30:56 | |
| Sorry, I can't, I can't take any more comments right now. | 02:31:07 | |
| And. | 02:31:11 | |
| So. | 02:31:18 | |
| Sorry, there's more than that. There was a yeah, the mayor knows more than us. There was a public comment about the mayor saying | 02:31:20 | |
| that there's a grocery store and as far as I'm aware, that's in the downtown area, not in this area. | 02:31:25 | |
| That's correct. Yeah. | 02:31:33 | |
| Different area. | 02:31:34 | |
| And. | 02:31:37 | |
| As far as the units, I I still have an issue with there not being units for sale. I would absolutely love if you guys could make | 02:31:40 | |
| that happen. | 02:31:44 | |
| Umm. | 02:31:49 | |
| I understand that it's hard. | 02:31:50 | |
| Investment is risk, but I understand. | 02:31:53 | |
| With that, but also with units being for rent, it's a lot easier for the developer. | 02:31:59 | |
| Regulate who? | 02:32:07 | |
| There won't be units with six units because. | 02:32:10 | |
| That'll be people breaking their contracts. Well, it takes out the the investors buying one unit, packing it. So it takes that | 02:32:14 | |
| incentive. It takes that incentive away from it. So there are benefits to that. Those are my concerns, the developer. | 02:32:21 | |
| Addressed. | 02:32:30 | |
| Addressed all of them. | 02:32:32 | |
| And I think with. | 02:32:35 | |
| Parking. With the parking plan especially. | 02:32:38 | |
| I think that that we can make this work. | 02:32:43 | |
| So that's what I had to say if anybody wants to make a motion or. | 02:32:45 | |
| And there's no other comments. I'd be happy to make a motion. | 02:32:53 | |
| I motion to recommend approval of Resolution 20/23/02 for the forged development agreement. | 02:32:57 | |
| To the City Council with the modifications stated by staff. | 02:33:02 | |
| Do I have a second? A second. All right, this is roll call. Craig Anthony Bryce, I Tay Graydon. All right, passes. Thank you, | 02:33:06 | |
| guys. | 02:33:13 | |
| All right. Moving into. | 02:33:21 | |
| Do you want to push up? | 02:33:24 | |
| When we do get to it, it's a really good movie. I'm sure you want to watch it, but we we want to free you as well. Yeah, I make a | 02:33:29 | |
| motion to continue to move a training session 5.1 to the next meeting. | 02:33:36 | |
| All in favor. | 02:33:43 | |
| All right. Moving on to Commission member reports and ex parte discussion and disclosure. | 02:33:45 | |
| Nothing from him. | 02:33:53 | |
| Sorry you guys, if you're if you're going to talk, could you please go outside so that our microphones don't catch on? | 02:33:56 | |
| Everybody just move out, yeah. It's just so that we don't get feedback in the microphones. | 02:34:04 | |
| All right. Nothing on mine. | 02:34:17 | |
| Anything. No, no. Welcome great into being up here. | 02:34:19 | |
| Yeah, Anything from staff I do. Before you ask me about it, I was gonna ask you about it. I I did go to USPS. I spoke with one of | 02:34:25 | |
| the supervisors there and this was today, actually. | 02:34:31 | |
| He. | 02:34:37 | |
| They got my message from last time that they have identified 2 drop boxes. | 02:34:39 | |
| In West Arm that are being underutilized and they have begun a month long process. | 02:34:44 | |
| It promised me that he'd move it, but a month long process of reevaluating if they could move it to Vineyard, they'd probably put | 02:34:52 | |
| it here at City Hall. Oh perfect. And as he he seemed, he said it seems like it would work out great, that the carrier could just | 02:34:58 | |
| pick up, you know, while they they drop off them out here. So it seems like we're going in the right direction. They were aware of | 02:35:03 | |
| of our situation and they're working on it. Awesome. Thank you so much. | 02:35:09 | |
| That would be good too. | 02:35:17 | |
| Yeah, cool. Anything else from staff? | 02:35:20 | |
| So we obviously have a budget for training and so we have a fairly healthy budget. So if you find any training that that you're | 02:35:27 | |
| interested in through something from like urban design, engineering planning. | 02:35:33 | |
| Well, let us know. Bike Utah is May May 31st. That that's an excellent one. | 02:35:48 | |
| Vernal planning conference and that that's one of those. If you go you want to do the multi day, we're happy to get you a hotel | 02:35:55 | |
| room and pay for your food and that kind of stuff. So just let us know or we've got a budget. So I mean we probably can't send you | 02:36:02 | |
| to Hawaii APA but we can send you that Utah APA. Also we are required to have a certain amount of training hours so if if you can | 02:36:08 | |
| make it to meetings like that it helps fill your training hours a lot. So cool. If there's nothing else from staff crosswalks are | 02:36:14 | |
| being installed on Center St. | 02:36:21 | |
| So. | 02:36:27 | |
| Connection and last week we got to like break windows of the old building. We have throw rocks through the old. | 02:36:33 | |
| That was fun. Herald Off is gone. | 02:36:38 | |
| If there's nothing else, then meeting adjourned. | 02:36:47 | |
| Play. | 02:37:02 |