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All right, cool. 00:00:05
Yeah. 00:00:24
All righty guys. 00:00:35
We good to go, Tony. 00:00:37
We're good to go from a reporting. 00:00:39
Standpoint I just realized. 00:00:40
Was a little ahead of myself. OK. 00:00:41
Well, we'll need another. 00:00:43
30 seconds so. 00:00:44
I was really. 00:00:48
All right. 00:00:55
OK, sounds good. 00:00:55
Out to City Council today. It is January 20th. 00:00:58
2026 it is 5. 00:01:02
PM I am Mayor Zach Stratton presiding the meeting and I'd like to open up the council meeting. 00:01:04
We have. 00:01:10
A special guest today. 00:01:11
To give us our. 00:01:13
Pledge of Allegiance and then the opening prayer. 00:01:14
So I'm going to have Mac Felbert come on up here. 00:01:17
So Mac is. 00:01:20
One of the great young men we have living in the. 00:01:22
In the city. 00:01:25
And he won a war today. What was the award you won today, Mac? You were the citizen of the. 00:01:26
Citizen of the day of his elementary school. So this is so awesome. So we're going to do the Pledge of Allegiance and then we will 00:01:31
have Mac. 00:01:34
Say the open prayer and then I have a little something to give Mac. 00:01:37
Here somewhere so. 00:01:40
Should I just have my? 00:01:42
Yeah, go right there, buddy. You want to talk into that? 00:01:44
OK, ready. 00:01:46
Fridge ready. Begin. 00:01:52
I pledge allegiance to the flag. 00:01:54
Of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands. 00:01:56
1. 00:02:02
Under God, indivisible. 00:02:04
With liberty and justice for all. 00:02:06
Awesome. 00:02:09
Going to the prayer. 00:02:10
Dear Heavenly Father, regret for her stay. Please bless that we can all be open minded and open hearted and that this meeting can 00:02:17
go well. 00:02:21
Please restart, we can have a good rest of our time here. 00:02:25
Can you open the open? 00:02:28
I did in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen. Amen. 00:02:30
Thank you so much, Mack. 00:02:34
Tony, did I had some pins up here. Did you see where are those over there? Can you give one of those pins to Mac? 00:02:35
We got an American flag and we're going to give you. Thank you so much, Mac. You're, you're awesome. 00:02:44
All righty, we're going to jump into our work session. We have an item 2.1 City Council listening session for. 00:02:50
Vineyard, Interfaith. 00:02:56
And nonprofit organizations, Councilman Holdaway is going to facilitate a discussion and listening session for the purpose of 00:02:58
this. So I'm going to turn the time over to Jake. And also we excuse Councilman Ezra Nair. He is on his way. 00:03:04
He had an issue with the county he had to take care of real quick, but he should be here. He said about 15 minutes, so let's go 00:03:10
ahead and get started. 00:03:13
This is a really exciting. 00:03:18
Conversation to have. 00:03:21
And I hope during the public comment period we would. 00:03:23
Allow for comments on this topic. I know normally if it's something on the topic we wouldn't, but. 00:03:26
I'd hope if anyone wants to leave comments. 00:03:32
Umm. 00:03:37
I've had the opportunity for 20 years to travel throughout the country. 00:03:38
And see cities and counties. 00:03:42
Been to every state. 00:03:45
Sit in a lot of council meetings. 00:03:46
And one of the best. 00:03:49
Things I've ever seen is when. 00:03:52
A government understands how to work well with. 00:03:55
Nonprofits and faith-based communities. 00:03:58
And understanding what roles. 00:04:02
And what strength and weaknesses? 00:04:04
Each one of them have. 00:04:06
Certain faith-based organizations. 00:04:09
Are incredibly strong in certain communities and they add vibrant color. 00:04:13
They add. 00:04:18
So much culture. 00:04:19
And to be honest with you, it enriches the citizens lives by allowing them and giving them opportunity to serve others. 00:04:21
And it gives them purpose. 00:04:29
And some of the best communities I've seen. Flagstaff, AZ. 00:04:32
Come to come to mind where? 00:04:36
It's like they set up a culture. 00:04:40
Where? 00:04:43
On a quarterly or monthly basis? 00:04:44
They will sync with the nonprofit organizations in their community. 00:04:48
And find out what they're doing. 00:04:53
Where they need help? 00:04:55
Or what the city is doing. 00:04:57
Where they need help? 00:04:59
Or. 00:05:01
Faith-based organizations as well. 00:05:01
And sit there as a round table to get feedback. 00:05:04
And to serve one another. 00:05:08
And so. 00:05:11
I wanted to put this on the agenda for the Council to consider. 00:05:13
In the next month. 00:05:18
Sending out an official invitation from the city. 00:05:20
From the mayor. 00:05:24
Two and putting it on to social media to. 00:05:25
Do an accounting of all. 00:05:30
Nonprofits that are within. 00:05:33
City. 00:05:35
They might be a little bit out. 00:05:36
Of our city and. 00:05:38
Or serve our city. 00:05:41
And also also faith-based institutions. 00:05:42
And the purpose of that meeting is we would. 00:05:46
And citizens could recommend them. Hey, have you thought about this? Have you thought about that? 00:05:48
And send an official letter and then a month from now holding a round table. 00:05:52
Some of them are official organizations, some of them might be small. 00:05:57
Non. 00:06:02
And some of the areas that I think could really. 00:06:04
Be of beneficial is. 00:06:08
The city's emergency preparedness plan. 00:06:10
The city has grown. 00:06:13
Dramatically. 00:06:15
Some faith-based organizations play a very crucial role here in Utah County in the. 00:06:16
With the changes of that. 00:06:22
Should we lead? Should they lead? Where do they go? 00:06:24
And uh. 00:06:27
And. 00:06:27
With that. 00:06:28
You know what? What would happen there? 00:06:30
That's one idea. 00:06:32
Now these are our ideas from the city. 00:06:33
So understanding that in that. 00:06:36
Roundtable. 00:06:38
They might be throwing us things back at us, right? So it's a two way relationship when these things happen, but I believe from a 00:06:39
city standpoint. 00:06:44
We might be able to learn something from them. 00:06:48
Strengthening compassionate community response like we have deaths. 00:06:53
We have struggles. We have community cares. 00:06:57
Where they focus in on suicide. 00:07:00
What are the faith-based communities doing with that? 00:07:03
Where are they at on that issue? When? When? 00:07:05
A problem, An emergency happens. Are we communicating? 00:07:09
How is that communication going? And since we're. 00:07:12
All new on the Council. 00:07:15
Minus me. 00:07:17
It might be working well. 00:07:18
On some of these. 00:07:20
And it might not, but I think it's important that we know. 00:07:21
Like umm. 00:07:24
Before we come in. 00:07:25
Where are things in the? 00:07:27
And could we step up? Could we step down? Or is this just a communication issue? 00:07:29
And then third ideas of expanding or improving service projects like. 00:07:35
You know, there's a lot of nonprofit organizations like. 00:07:40
Conserve Utah Valley. 00:07:45
United Way. 00:07:48
All the different religious groups that are dying to find. 00:07:49
Can I adopt A shoreline? 00:07:53
Do we have that? Is it easy to do that? And it's hard sometimes. I get that all the time. Like where can I serve? 00:07:55
And so I think as a staff we could. 00:08:00
Or as a city organized well, what projects do we need and who is organizing that? 00:08:03
Like who do they call? Where do they go? Maybe we're doing a good job there, but just take an accounting. 00:08:08
Of that. 00:08:13
And then #4. 00:08:14
Opportunities to better involve faith-based groups and nonprofits during city events. 00:08:17
I've heard really great things today about. 00:08:22
How well we're doing at the 9/11 day of service. 00:08:25
But there's also others like. 00:08:28
You know we have a Christmas tree lighting and Easter egg hunt. 00:08:31
Vineyard Heritage Days. 00:08:34
Like do they know that they are that? 00:08:36
That nonprofits are invited there. How do you feel like we've done well? Could we do something more so? 00:08:39
The purpose of this on the agenda? 00:08:44
Is to not make any decisions or anything like that but before we. 00:08:47
Adjust or. 00:08:51
Could we invite the leaders of those organizations? 00:08:52
To the table. 00:08:55
To have some sort of conversation. 00:08:57
Recognizing them and then. 00:08:59
And then from that. 00:09:02
Put together kind of a. 00:09:03
A plan, if you will, from the from what we hear. 00:09:05
And then bring that back to the Council. 00:09:09
From what we learn. 00:09:11
So thank you for that. 00:09:15
Jake. 00:09:16
Let's start here on my right. 00:09:17
David, would you like to? 00:09:19
Talk to that, speak that. 00:09:21
At all I'm in favor of. 00:09:23
Involving the public and all sorts of things. 00:09:26
We have many, many opportunities for. 00:09:28
For people to serve. 00:09:31
We think I think our community works best when the community is involved. 00:09:32
And so I. 00:09:37
I'm I'm happy to support that. 00:09:38
Awesome. 00:09:40
Thank you. Yeah, same here. I like the idea of involving more, you know, volunteer based organizations and and people and I think 00:09:41
this would be a benefit to the city to have. 00:09:45
More people in the community have a say and. 00:09:50
In terms of planning events and. 00:09:52
Stuff like that. So. 00:09:54
Awesome. Thanks. 00:09:57
Jump down to Parker. 00:09:58
Yeah, I think that. 00:10:00
We should probably have another work session. 00:10:02
Bring them out. 00:10:05
And hear what their capabilities are, what their interests are, and what they're actually able and willing to support. 00:10:06
It probably is. 00:10:13
Not super beneficial for us to sit up here and opine without actually having their insights, so just getting your guys' buy in to 00:10:15
say. 00:10:19
The council's buy in to say could we plan this, We'd probably set out the room with like a round table discussion, especially 00:10:23
working with communications of who has, you know, you send out these letters, what responses did you get? 00:10:29
And sometimes you'll get a great response. Sometimes you know you won't. 00:10:36
But I think if we do a push, this will also help citizens understand maybe I want to get involved or maybe I do want to play a 00:10:40
role. 00:10:43
Here or there. 00:10:47
To do that, but I think it also. 00:10:50
This is something that. 00:10:53
I think. 00:10:54
What I've seen is you have to take an accounting every year. 00:10:55
Some people, you know, it's like. 00:10:58
Your energy. 00:11:00
We've taken this load forever. We like carrying it, it goes really well. 00:11:03
But we're tired and we would rather rotate that. 00:11:07
Yeah, but I I do know that. 00:11:10
By going through and doing this accounting, we'll find out what assets we have to strengthen within our city. 00:11:14
And also where we can have a. 00:11:21
So on our side. 00:11:23
The work that we would do is. 00:11:26
Working probably with our Sheriff's Office. 00:11:28
TO and our public works to understand what is our current emergency preparedness plan like? Where have we done in the past? 00:11:30
Do we like it? 00:11:37
Where are we at with? 00:11:38
You know, our compassionate community response, like what happens when something bad happens? What's the handoff to nonprofits? Is 00:11:40
there a triage? 00:11:44
How do we communicate with? 00:11:49
Faith-based organizations or not, or do we have? If we don't, then at least we could when they're here, say this is what we're 00:11:51
currently doing. Do you like that? Do you not like that? What? What works well? 00:11:56
And then same thing with our service projects, like looking at what service projects we've done in the past and even presenting 00:12:03
them to those organizations. 00:12:07
On those days, so it might turn into two meetings depending on how much we get done. 00:12:12
But then I think. 00:12:15
We could have. 00:12:17
Notes taken of understanding of where people are and. 00:12:18
Present some good what we've found. 00:12:22
Back to. 00:12:25
To you guys. So no decisions would be made. It's just more of a listening session. 00:12:27
Awesome. 00:12:30
Where I'm at on this, I think that this is. 00:12:31
I'm actually really, really excited for this and for a couple of reasons. My. 00:12:34
Kind of my political leanings generally is I think that government is most efficient when it's narrowed in scope and it really 00:12:39
partners well with nonprofits and religious groups in an appropriate way. 00:12:44
And what's been really surprising to me is. 00:12:49
As I've the last couple weeks as mayor, how much information flows to me? 00:12:52
And needs of the community and how much good we can do. 00:12:57
I think. 00:13:00
And I think the key, one of the keys to making sure that. 00:13:01
The good is happening in the most appropriate way is getting that information and. 00:13:04
And having resources and partnerships at our disposal to make sure that that's happening. And I really like there is. We do have a 00:13:09
lot of good things that the Vineyard staff have been working on and the cares is awesome. You know, we have some great things that 00:13:15
have been happening and just making sure that we are. 00:13:20
All working and aligned and. 00:13:25
Using the. 00:13:27
The, I guess I'd say the talents of every every individual, the best we can to serve the citizens. 00:13:29
And provide that. So I think that's great. 00:13:36
I really like it so. 00:13:39
The last thing I would say is. 00:13:41
You know, these things can turn into big, beautiful things. They don't have to, and maybe it doesn't come of this. 00:13:44
But. 00:13:50
My family has had the opportunity to participate in the Orem Seric, the creation of the Orem Sera. 00:13:51
It's a legacy that our family is very proud of. It's where. 00:13:58
The city stepped back and said. 00:14:01
Well, we want something civically happening. 00:14:03
But we don't know if government should be in control. 00:14:06
Could we play a role in? 00:14:10
Having faith-based or passionate people that are about that and a nonprofit was started, it was formed. The city helps it a little 00:14:12
bit. 00:14:16
But it's completely independent from the city. 00:14:20
Warm Summerfest is a huge win. 00:14:23
In the city of Orem, where so many volunteers come together and put that on. 00:14:25
And it's such a legacy, and that service adds a piece of ownership to it. 00:14:30
And the same thing with the Provo Freedom Festival. That is all. 00:14:35
Government stepping back? 00:14:40
Evaluating what assets they are and saying we would love people to lead and. 00:14:42
And have it independent from the city, but it really adds character and culture and. 00:14:48
I think if we can go out so my my voice to the citizens listening and seeing and reading is. 00:14:52
Take an accounting of where you're at and see maybe you and we would like to inspire our citizens to thank. 00:14:58
Maybe that's you, and maybe you think you're not good enough. Maybe you think you can't. I mean, David Pierce has stepped up and 00:15:05
others in like Vineyard Cares. Others have different passions. 00:15:09
Conservative Valley has position. 00:15:14
Has passions about the lake and others. 00:15:16
And so just looking for areas where. 00:15:18
Where you can serve. Come to this meeting. Come to listen about it. Form ideas. 00:15:21
We're not going to have the Provost solution. We're not going to have the Orem solution. 00:15:25
But we'll have the vineyards and it'll be unique to to what we're doing here, so. 00:15:29
Awesome. Thanks. 00:15:34
Well, I think that the take away from this discussion, does anyone have any other comments, David? Jacob Parker, are you good? 00:15:35
Didn't take away from that discussion. Jake, let's work on that letter. We can get that sent out together. And then Tony, let's 00:15:39
get something on. 00:15:44
Less tentatively in maybe a month or. 00:15:48
We'll look at the the agenda, what time and figure out a time that works with everybody. And I think that that's. 00:15:50
Yeah, good. Take away from that and you hold the power to do it. I just want we wanted to. 00:15:57
Put this on the agenda to say that we're considering and if anyone has ideas between. 00:16:02
That could they route them to me of yeah, absolutely yeah. We want to think of all. 00:16:06
Faith we want to think of all nonprofits things that and in the comment period. If anyone has any ideas please let us know. 00:16:10
OK, awesome. 00:16:17
All righty. Well, thank you for that. Let's we'll move forward in that direction. 00:16:18
We will now move into public comments. 00:16:22
I have the. 00:16:25
We're changing up how we're doing public on this a little bit, asking if you would like to speak in public comments to sign the 00:16:27
list. I know that we that's the new thing that we're trying to do this time so. 00:16:31
And we have Kim and Karen are would you? 00:16:36
Did you want to? Do you have any public comments today? 00:16:39
Kim Cornelius does OK Anybody else? 00:16:41
After Kim. 00:16:43
OK. All right, Mark, that'd be great. OK, we'll go Kim, then we'll jump to Mark. So. 00:16:45
Anxious to make sure the standard 3 minutes. Yeah, I think so. Are you going to ramble on a little bit Kim or? 00:16:50
That's a question for my wife, not me. All right. Sounds good. 00:16:58
Kim Cornelius, Vineyard resident. 00:17:02
I just wanted to draw attention to one of the paragraphs in the. 00:17:05
Kind of the. 00:17:09
The first page of the agenda. 00:17:11
Or the pre agenda. It's not actually the agenda part. 00:17:14
It begins with whenever making comments. 00:17:20
Whether during the public comment period? 00:17:23
At a public hearing or an informal basis, citizens are expected to address the issue, not address an individual council member, 00:17:27
city staff. 00:17:30
OR applicant, please address the Council as a whole. 00:17:34
Not an individual is expected that all interchanges will be courteous, respectful and constructive. 00:17:37
Citizens acting in an inappropriate manner will be invited to leave the meeting. 00:17:43
I believe this is. 00:17:47
Somewhat of an excerpt from the Code of Conduct. 00:17:48
And we had some poor examples of this in our last meeting. I just wanted to. 00:17:52
Bring that out. 00:17:56
Thank you, Kim. 00:17:57
Mark, would you like to? 00:17:59
Come on down. 00:18:01
State your name would be awesome. 00:18:03
So thank you. If I may, I'd like to invite. 00:18:04
Miss Hell to join me as well. So my name is Mark C Strand. 00:18:08
And as. 00:18:13
As I teach at UVU but I also my. 00:18:14
My church calling is to be over the communication council. 00:18:17
For the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and I've had a number of dialogues with. 00:18:20
Councilmember Holdaway. 00:18:24
Regarding how can we increase the? 00:18:26
The involvement of the charities as well as the interfaith organizations here in the community. 00:18:29
And I just wanted to say. 00:18:34
Part of what we do is try to help you. 00:18:36
In that process, we have existing connections and relationships with many of the interfaith organizations, with other elected 00:18:38
officials. 00:18:42
With nonprofit organizations. 00:18:47
Organization also does the giving machines. Each year we wrap that up so. 00:18:50
The opportunity to work with, and I will say we have some wonderful charitable organizations here. 00:18:55
That I do think, really. 00:19:00
Want to work with cities and but part of that is how do you open the door? 00:19:02
To allow them to do that, Habitat for Humanity, for example, has a lot of opportunities. But finding a way to. 00:19:06
Where can that take place in Vineyard? And some of those things I think is good along the service project. I'll let Nancy. 00:19:13
Hell, what she does with just serve because I think there's some great opportunities there to utilize. 00:19:22
Better. Yeah, so. 00:19:27
My husband Val Hale and myself Nancy, we live in Orem. 00:19:29
And we have been. 00:19:33
Called to be the gesture of specialists for the Central and Vineyard area. 00:19:36
And so we have been working. 00:19:40
With the past administration and currently there is on just serve. 00:19:42
A Vineyard page. 00:19:47
And so if anyone's looking for a service project, that's one of the places that they will visit. 00:19:50
So we are able to work with the city and like you said, with nonprofits as you're looking for service opportunities. 00:19:56
Then we can help get them posted on Just Serve. And then that's what we encourage citizens, regardless of religious beliefs, all 00:20:04
citizens to go to Just Serve to find opportunities to serve. So we do have an organization page already set up for Vineyard City. 00:20:11
We've been working with Anna Nelson and. 00:20:18
We, you know, hope to be able to continue to do that and are excited to hear about your initiatives. 00:20:25
Also, you're looking forward to. 00:20:31
Yeah. And one of the ones coming up is the 9/11 day of service. We start to do the planning for that. 00:20:33
In the March timeframe, and so we'll be getting some more information to you. Typically in the past you've had a city 00:20:38
representative that's been part of the planning. 00:20:43
Part of that we kind of do a little bit of a regional thing, some projects like the food drive. 00:20:47
Is is a multi city kind of event, so we're here to help and provide our services as as you see fit. So feel free to reach out to 00:20:52
us and we'll be awesome. Appreciate it. Thank you so much guys, you're awesome. Thanks for coming and. 00:20:58
For that, all righty. 00:21:04
Oh yes, please. Come on down. 00:21:07
I just wanted to say thank you to Mack. I thought that was a wonderful idea to get youth involved. 00:21:12
City Council. 00:21:18
Just the Pledge of Allegiance. 00:21:20
And offering a prayer, I think that was just a great way to involve. 00:21:23
More citizens? 00:21:26
I think we could continue to do that with either a thought. 00:21:27
And the pledge. 00:21:31
Or prayer. 00:21:33
Whatever. 00:21:34
Works well. Thank you, thank you. And then just for. 00:21:35
Of streaming purposes, folks at home, that was. 00:21:38
Darry Evans? Darry Evans? Nope. You're good. Anybody else? 00:21:41
OK. All righty. We will close the public comment period. 00:21:45
Of the meeting and move now to our business items. 00:21:49
5.1300 W Parking updates and resolution. 00:21:55
2026. 00:21:59
That's 3.0. 00:22:00
Discussing discussion and action. So I'm actually going to turn the time turn to you Jacob, that's OK and kind of explain current 00:22:03
state and what. 00:22:07
These proposed. 00:22:11
This proposed resolution would. 00:22:12
I do for for the city. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you. 00:22:15
So as some of you may know. 00:22:18
Oh, pause for next one. 00:22:21
As so you may know, the parking force by 300 W and Loop Rd. has been paused for several months now. 00:22:24
The pause began after I started parking petition. 00:22:30
I got over 400 signatures and launched. 00:22:32
Fixed Vineyard parking and effort. 00:22:35
Get residents who felt they had no voice, no see at the table. 00:22:38
To the table. 00:22:41
In November 2024, roughly 200 residents were booted for not having a newly created city parking pass. 00:22:42
The vast majority of those impacted were young adults, working families and students. 00:22:48
And low income residents. 00:22:52
Many had no idea that the city parking pass even existed. 00:22:54
When I learned about what was happening, I took the initiative to notify residents about the new pass. 00:22:58
But by then the damage has already been done. 00:23:03
And hundreds of people have already been forced to pay fees up to $75 just to park right front of their house. 00:23:05
For a return missionary, for a student, for a family already struggling with raising costs, $75 is not insignificant. It's a real 00:23:12
hardship. 00:23:15
Story after story came in. People waking up to boots on their cars, confused, frustrated. 00:23:20
And feeling taken advantage of. 00:23:24
Those experiences are a major reason why I decided to run for City Council. 00:23:26
I ran to represent the forgotten people, younger residents, renters, working families and people who felt ignored. 00:23:31
Or over regulated? 00:23:37
And disproportionately impacted by these policies, they had no role. 00:23:38
In shaping. 00:23:41
Though fixing your parking works with. 00:23:43
So we partnered with the HOA who have been fighting for this change for a long time. 00:23:46
And together we came. 00:23:51
We voted and we made history in November. 00:23:53
And I sit here as a result of that shared effort and movement. So tonight's action is about following through on that commitment. 00:23:56
This policy will formally recognize and remove. 00:24:02
The city parking pass on 300 W and Vineyard Loop Rd. and permanently allow residents to park. 00:24:06
In front of their home without paying a fee to the city. 00:24:11
Or being punished for not. 00:24:14
We are not changing course tonight. We are correcting it. We are formalizing what has already been working during the pause. 00:24:16
And taking a meaningful, meaningful step. 00:24:22
Towards preparing the trust that was damaged. 00:24:24
And with that, I'll open up for. 00:24:26
City Council discussion. 00:24:28
All righty, we started on the right, so we're going to go from left. 00:24:31
Parker, anything you'd like? 00:24:35
To comment on that. 00:24:36
Yeah, parking was also something that I campaigned pretty heavily on, mostly because I just felt like it. 00:24:38
Was not. 00:24:42
Ever in the best interest of citizens. 00:24:44
For their. 00:24:46
Government or representation to be in the business of squeezing them for a few bucks here and there and it became especially. 00:24:48
Abhorrent to me. 00:24:55
When? 00:24:56
I was told by the previous council that that. 00:24:57
Project. 00:24:59
Wasn't even paying for. 00:25:01
Itself. 00:25:02
Excuse me? 00:25:03
And that the cost of. 00:25:05
Tickets and boots. 00:25:07
Weren't even paying for the administration costs of having that program in effect. 00:25:09
So I think that this is a no brainer for. 00:25:13
Fiscal discipline and transparency and also helping the residents of Vineyard be. 00:25:16
Burdened by government? 00:25:20
Awesome. Thanks, Jake. 00:25:23
So the current policy is just taking it off and we're not recognizing the HOA. We're just allowing anyone. Yeah, we're just taking 00:25:25
it off. So right now it's already paused. It's been known for for about. 00:25:29
Eight or nine months. 00:25:33
So we're just actually taking the signs down. 00:25:35
Can I share another thought though? This was a question that I received during the. 00:25:38
The campaign. 00:25:42
Was that? 00:25:44
The uh. 00:25:45
HOA's were seeking the ability to. 00:25:46
Sell their HOA parking passes for the city parking streets. 00:25:50
And I don't think that that's permissible either. 00:25:54
If it's. 00:25:57
Public infrastructure. 00:25:59
It's public. 00:26:01
And we leave it at that. 00:26:02
Yeah, Yeah, I've got no problems. I fully support it and I've spoken with the HOA leadership that's there and I think they're. 00:26:03
If they want to speak at later time, I think that's a great move. 00:26:11
OK, sounds good. I think long term. 00:26:14
You know, if you go back to these projects, they were. 00:26:18
They were severely. 00:26:20
Under. 00:26:24
Planned to be able to have that amount of parking. 00:26:25
I think this this makes it. 00:26:29
A little bit right I. 00:26:31
I think that we should. 00:26:33
Look at it. 00:26:35
You know, go through and and see about it. I worry if it becomes a catch all. 00:26:36
Where vehicles might not. 00:26:41
That live there, they just dump like a camper or a car or something. Long term I don't think that's going to be an issue and I 00:26:43
think that. 00:26:46
You know, if there was a car or camper in front of my house for a really long time, we would hear about it. But I would love the 00:26:50
sheriff to let us know if it's become something. 00:26:54
You know, report back to us, but I don't, I don't see that becoming an issue. Can can we discuss? 00:26:58
I'm sorry, I don't know what the decor if I just keep chiming in like we're good. 00:27:03
We have existing city code. 00:27:08
For how long a vehicle can be parked on the city street, correct? That's what I thought and so. 00:27:11
The reality is we just have to do a better job of code enforcement. 00:27:15
Allowing public parking on the city street doesn't remove or replace. 00:27:20
Other existing code. 00:27:24
OK, awesome. That's it. 00:27:26
Thank you. 00:27:29
David. 00:27:30
Thank you. 00:27:32
Yeah. 00:27:33
I really think that we need to release that parking. I've seen pictures we've all seen pictures of. 00:27:34
Of people parked right in front of their house, it's right there, right next to drive with a park right there and they're booted 00:27:39
next morning. 00:27:42
And that really and. 00:27:45
It just doesn't seem to make sense. 00:27:47
From AI understand that that that. 00:27:48
One of the reasons that was done by the city was they wanted to have. 00:27:51
They wanted to have parking reserved for the public that would come and use the beachfront there. 00:27:54
But the fact is they would come here in the day when that place is almost a desert. There's no one's parked there in the daytime. 00:28:00
Yeah, nobody is. And so at night time when the residents need the parking. 00:28:06
That's when the booting was taken. 00:28:10
Place and no one's going to the beachfront then. 00:28:11
And if they are, they probably ought to reconsider. 00:28:13
No, that's not a good time to beat the beach. So. 00:28:16
So really it just, it just did. I don't think it was well thought out, so I think it's appropriate to remove it. 00:28:20
Awesome. Thanks. 00:28:25
Ezra, would you like to comment on this? 00:28:26
Yeah, I'll second that. I'll, I'll. 00:28:29
When I campaigned, I campaigned on this issue as well. I actually used to live in high density housing and vineyard. I lived in 00:28:32
Tucker Row for for a number of years when I was. 00:28:36
Back in college and. 00:28:41
Back then, the towing restrictions started at 11:00 PM. 00:28:43
Which? 00:28:46
For young folks is a very early hour, I'll say. 00:28:48
And my wife and I were. We were engaged at the time. 00:28:52
And we were planning our wedding until about 11:30 at my apartment and. 00:28:57
She went to go. 00:29:00
Get into her car after that and. 00:29:02
It wasn't there. 00:29:05
This was over in the visitor parking Ford Tucker Row, so this was 11/30. 00:29:06
On like a Friday night completely normal hour. 00:29:11
And this was back before they had booting and they actually just towed all the cars to American Fork. 00:29:14
And. 00:29:19
For us planning our wedding as poor college students. 00:29:20
$250 to get that car out of there and even to find transportation to get out there. 00:29:24
Was a mess and so. 00:29:29
I'm very. 00:29:31
Glad to be able to help. 00:29:33
Those in these high density homes to. 00:29:34
Make official this this process. I think having that lived experience really has helped inform my decisions on. 00:29:37
On what it's like to live in high density in these areas. 00:29:42
But I also want to 2nd. 00:29:47
Parker's comments as well, or Councilman's? 00:29:49
Comments as well. 00:29:51
On enforcement, I do think. 00:29:52
Code enforcement. 00:29:56
An important part of this we want to make sure that we. 00:29:57
Are not. 00:30:00
It's really it's, it's kind of the broken windows syndrome if you have a neighborhood where a window breaks. 00:30:02
People see that goes unnoticed. 00:30:09
More crime starts to happen. 00:30:11
And so having people parking cars that are. 00:30:12
Disabled or whatever overtime can. 00:30:16
Can really help encourage additional crime in areas and so I want to make sure that. 00:30:19
We have the resources to be able to. 00:30:25
Manage that well and. 00:30:28
And keep those problems from occurring. 00:30:29
And our sheriff's, I mean, they deal with very. 00:30:33
They deal with a lot. 00:30:36
And when it comes to some of these lower level infractions like oh this cars been here 3 days instead of 2. 00:30:37
I don't want them trying to spend all their time focusing on that when there's bigger fish to fry. 00:30:43
And so I do think we should. 00:30:48
Support additional code enforcement efforts. 00:30:50
And. 00:30:53
Fund a couple positions that can help us. 00:30:54
Really have a. 00:30:58
A nuanced. 00:31:00
Parking. 00:31:01
Policy where, where we're enforcing our codes, like if you know, if you're there. 00:31:02
And you have an extra day where you have a car there for three days as opposed to two. 00:31:07
It'd be nice to be able to give warnings in those situations and say hey. 00:31:13
Just so you know, here's the rules. 00:31:17
Like, oh, you're, you actually live here. This isn't a big deal. This isn't like somebody's. 00:31:19
Leaving a car. Abandoning a car. 00:31:23
But it is technically a violation of the current codes that we have in place. 00:31:26
So I want to make sure we have. 00:31:30
Whatever resources we need to to adequately address those issues and start with. 00:31:32
With a. 00:31:36
Non serious offense so we can start with warnings. 00:31:38
We can escalate those up. 00:31:41
For actual fines for repeat offenders. 00:31:42
And I think that'll be the best way to manage this in the long term. 00:31:45
Not just for this area, but across all the different parking. 00:31:49
Restrictions that we'll look at. And so I just want to 2nd that that that effort and hope we continue to work on that. 00:31:51
But I think this is a great first step into. 00:31:57
Into solving this problem. 00:31:59
Awesome. Thank you. 00:32:01
Mayor, if you mind. 00:32:03
Yes, please, yes. 00:32:04
Expectations. 00:32:07
Will meet what will actually happen on the streets for us. So we don't have an understanding. So I have an understanding of what 00:32:09
you guys expect the current model for. For parking complaints, generally speaking, they come to the city, they go to Maria and 00:32:14
then she forwards those to us and then we have the guys go out and take a look at it. 00:32:19
So most of the the parking is done on like a complaint basis, so if residents notice the car has been parked there for too long. 00:32:25
Will go out. We already take a fairly non. 00:32:32
Are a pretty easy relaxed reproach generally speaking. So if we get a call, hey, this car's been here for a week, we'll go out, 00:32:35
run the plates, try to find the owner. If we can't, then we'll put a sticker on it and give it another 48 hour notice. So there is 00:32:40
adequate notice there. 00:32:45
Generously, we're not going to just tow it, you know, like we're not gonna do any of that or even ticket it right up front. 00:32:50
But as. 00:32:56
Council member Nair mentioned we are busy. We have other things that we do with the guys. 00:32:57
Telling them to be to be meter maids is not why they became cops. 00:33:01
But obviously they're OK, we can. 00:33:06
I can let them know to keep an eye out for card. It looks like they've been there for a long time and broke down cars. 00:33:09
I just want to make sure that that the expectations meet the reality of what's going to happen. So code enforcement right now is 00:33:15
not issuing fines for parking they don't have. 00:33:19
Really any ability to do so, they would refer that to us to handle that so. 00:33:23
Cool. Thank you. 00:33:27
Eric was just like to. 00:33:30
As well. 00:33:31
The statement was made about. 00:33:33
Removing signage along 300 W. 00:33:35
I just want to make sure that we're clear on what that is and what it isn't. 00:33:38
And just ask for a point of clarification. 00:33:42
At the South end of 300 W there have been some spots reserved for fire. 00:33:44
Fighter Staff. 00:33:50
Are is the intent to pull those signs down as well? 00:33:52
Oh, on the South side. 00:33:56
No, no, just. 00:33:57
So South, so right north of 300 of Center St. and S Center St. there's some parking right there on 300 W that we've created. 00:34:01
Are we going to like those ones have no overnight parking and some of it's designed for some of the firefighters. Are you 00:34:07
including? 00:34:10
Obviously the firefighters, I would assume you're not going to get those down, but the other overnight parking, are you going to 00:34:13
remove those or leave those ones? 00:34:16
When we initially put those up, we get a lot of people coming down there at the end of Center St. 00:34:20
And right there by the lake. 00:34:25
And we were getting a lot of traffic there, so we created those other those other parking stalls and the residents were concerned 00:34:27
of. 00:34:30
Of Too much, too many, too much parking right there in that cul-de-sac area. So. 00:34:34
And then my other question maybe Eric will ask is? 00:34:38
By the clubhouse there were also some no overnight parking that we left there. 00:34:42
Aside from the other ones that was designed specifically for because that's the only access to the lake to the trail right there. 00:34:46
So for clarity, 3 stalls. 00:34:52
I can't remember how. What do you mean all the access when you say only access? 00:34:55
It goes right by the by the swimming pool area that's. 00:34:58
On the long 300 W. 00:35:03
All of that neighborhood obviously is a public. 00:35:05
Private development. 00:35:07
The access right to the trail right is right. Well, they can park anywhere along 300 watts during the day. No I'm not, I'm just 00:35:09
asking. 00:35:12
For clarity for when they, yeah, so those signs are which ones are they taking? Yeah, So those ones and it comes to emergency, 00:35:15
we're not removing the emergency, just everything but the emergency parking signs. 00:35:20
Anything and then the fire. To be clear, the fire. 00:35:27
Clear down on the South side, yeah. 00:35:30
Keeping those. 00:35:32
Awesome. 00:35:34
All right. So with those amendments when we make the motion? 00:35:36
Do you want me to make a motion with those? 00:35:39
Yeah, let's do that. 00:35:41
OK, I also too. 00:35:42
For clarification so I know what I'm amending on the resolution. 00:35:46
Just in your motion, if you could include what those? 00:35:51
Yeah, I moved to adopt resolution 2026-03. 00:35:54
And amending it. 00:36:00
To not take the. 00:36:02
Fire. 00:36:04
Stations on the South side of 300 W. 00:36:05
South of Center St. 00:36:08
And also keeping the. 00:36:10
Other lanes that are. 00:36:13
Right by the. 00:36:15
Was that the swimming pool? The access points? 00:36:17
Reserved for public use, there's. 00:36:20
For there. 00:36:23
Or 9. 00:36:25
As amended. 00:36:26
OK, I'll second that. 00:36:28
Awesome. All in favor. 00:36:30
Aye. 00:36:33
Resolution OK. 00:36:36
Yes, absolutely, yeah. 00:36:36
OK, Councilman there. 00:36:39
Aye, aye. 00:36:40
I hold away. I. 00:36:42
Awesome. Thank you. 00:36:46
All righty, we will now jump down to. 00:36:49
Item number 5.2. 00:36:51
Overnight parking permit area on 100 W and 470 N. 00:36:53
The Springs resolution. 00:36:58
20262. 00:37:00
Turn it over to Councilman Wood to lead out this discussion. 00:37:02
See if I can connect this. 00:37:07
Might need your help Tony. 00:37:09
Is that working? 00:37:19
Oh, Freedom Prep. 00:37:23
Is it popping up on your screen with the the? 00:37:29
See. It's right here. Yeah. 00:37:43
Oh sweet. 00:37:54
OK, awesome. 00:38:00
OK, so overnight parking permit area of the springs? 00:38:04
So the goal is to remove the city parking pass. 00:38:09
Causing harm to residents who live here. 00:38:12
So this is the location, just for reference. It's right by Freedom Prep Elementary, you see this road. 00:38:14
It's one mouse on the screen, it's just this road, 100 W and then four. 00:38:20
70 N. 00:38:23
So currently there is a overnight restriction on parking. 00:38:25
You have to pay the city. Get a parking pass to park. 00:38:29
Along this. 00:38:32
In this road right here. 00:38:34
On both sides, yes. 00:38:37
So this photo, this is more of a. 00:38:38
Example you can see. 00:38:40
So this slide shows exactly what we're. 00:38:43
So this is a. 00:38:46
Res. 00:38:47
Not a commercial. 00:38:49
A corridor or not A high traffic commuters. 00:38:50
Commuter rub. 00:38:53
These are This is just a normal residential suite. 00:38:54
St. requires the City Park has to park on both sides. 00:38:57
The signage is very small. 00:39:02
So like I said, the issue is, and I took this photo no joke yesterday morning. So this guy parked. This guy like actually moved a 00:39:08
vineyard. He parked right in front of his house. 00:39:12
And was booted the next morning because he didn't have the city parking pass. 00:39:17
He had no idea he had to get one. 00:39:21
So this. 00:39:24
Rule we have right now. 00:39:26
Applies directly in front of residential housing. 00:39:27
The boot right now is $75. 00:39:31
As I said, the signage is very small. 00:39:33
For visitors to be able to park over here, they have to pay $25 per night. They have to upload the driver's license as well. 00:39:35
For people who do do live here, they have to upload their lease proof they live there and also the driver's license just to park. 00:39:43
Right in front of their. 00:39:51
House. 00:39:52
So my solution is pretty simple. 00:39:58
Let people park in front of their house, don't charge them a fee. 00:40:00
And, you know, I'm not quite sure what, what this was solving. It's creating more issues, you know, over the campaign trail. 00:40:05
Talking to folks over there. 00:40:11
I mean, I mean, so I met so many people, renters. 00:40:13
Older people who you know. 00:40:17
Are in a position to own a home who are affected by this and they're shocked by it. 00:40:19
Waking up in the morning and, you know, finding their car private in front of their house. 00:40:23
Booted or towed. So solution is pretty simple. 00:40:27
Let People Park Removed a city parking pass. 00:40:30
Don't charge them. 00:40:32
I'll open it up for discussion or if you have any questions. Awesome. 00:40:34
Let's did we start on. 00:40:38
I think it's Ezra. You're. 00:40:40
Europe, Yeah, I'd like to jump in. 00:40:41
So this one I actually have a little bit of a different philosophy on. 00:40:43
Given that this these are single family homes so. 00:40:48
The problem that we experienced here is. 00:40:52
That. 00:40:55
People were coming from other neighborhoods to park in front of these single family homes. 00:40:56
So before I was in this stage of life where I was living in high density. 00:41:00
I've fortunate enough to own a single family home in Vineyard. 00:41:04
And. 00:41:07
It's super frustrating to have. 00:41:08
Strangers just park in front of your house just because that's. 00:41:10
That's available parking. 00:41:13
And so the residents here actually. 00:41:14
75% of them signed on to a petition to implement these restrictions. 00:41:17
Now, uh. 00:41:23
There's there's a couple issues that I want to deal with here, one for for the booting. So right now we contract out. 00:41:23
All of our booting, so we just have a service that comes through. 00:41:29
They see if there's a parking pass, if not, they put a boot on there. 00:41:32
I don't want to go that route, and that's kind of what I was talking about more with the. 00:41:35
With the code enforcement side. 00:41:39
Is. 00:41:41
Eventually bringing that in house, I think next budget year would be a great. 00:41:42
Opportunity to hire some of those people that that. 00:41:45
Could serve that meter made role. 00:41:48
So that we could. 00:41:49
Have. 00:41:51
A level of enforcement where people are able to say. 00:41:53
Hey I live here, I just want to park in here. 00:41:55
For the night, no big deal, but to have people coming from outside your neighborhood and parking in front of your house? 00:41:58
Night after night. 00:42:04
Is something I want to avoid happening here and so if we were just. 00:42:05
Lift all these restrictions. 00:42:09
I think these residents would find that. 00:42:11
They're back in that situation where people are just coming in, parking in front of their house and. 00:42:14
It's really frustrating. It blocks visibility. Your kids are trying to play in the street. It's. 00:42:18
It's a difficult situation there. 00:42:22
And so that's just the. 00:42:24
One point of this issue. 00:42:26
Where I see it as different from the. 00:42:28
Just opening up available parking next to high density that people just need for. 00:42:30
For the regular use versus. 00:42:34
A community that came together and said we. 00:42:36
We need to do something here, otherwise people are just lining the street all the time. 00:42:39
At all hours throughout the day. 00:42:42
So that's a good point, but I'm wondering where do the folks who are? 00:42:44
Who are not? 00:42:48
The owners or renters of their homes there, where are they coming from? They're parking. 00:42:49
Can I drop on this? There's no evidence that random people are parking in this neighborhood. The people are parking on this road 00:42:54
live. 00:42:57
There, yeah, not anymore before the. 00:43:00
Which is why we're situations where. 00:43:03
Yeah, before the situation, the parking program was implemented. 00:43:06
It was a rare occurrence there would be. 00:43:09
Tons of people parking on this road. 00:43:11
I don't off the top of my head, but that. 00:43:15
That's the. 00:43:17
And that's that's what I recall when this was brought into place. 00:43:18
That was the problem we were trying to solve. 00:43:23
I think it was a little too heavy-handed and we do have situations where new movements, they don't know the restrictions. 00:43:25
But I fear that if we just. 00:43:31
Open this back up without. 00:43:33
Any sort of? 00:43:35
Any sort of effort to. 00:43:38
Keep that problem that we originally solved there in place. 00:43:40
We'll just 'cause that to. 00:43:44
Come back. So I heard this in an argument 300 W If we open it up, we're going to have. 00:43:46
People park on there from other neighborhoods to spin over. Yeah, I disagree with that. For 300 WI, think 300 W, There's no 00:43:50
difference. Different situation. This is a road right in front of where people live. 00:43:55
People who are parking there live there. There are. 00:44:00
Other people from other neighborhoods parking. 00:44:03
There same at 300 was for eight months. 00:44:05
People parking there live there. 00:44:08
Thank you. Yeah, I think. 00:44:10
Sorry, I just think single family homes are are different than the higher density housing gets worse and you have a house and you 00:44:11
can't park for your house. I think it's worse actually. 00:44:15
Yes, so that. 00:44:20
Again, I I want people to be able to park in front of their own house without having other people park in front of their own house 00:44:21
generally. 00:44:25
I know it's it's public infrastructure, so that's hard to manage, but. 00:44:29
I experienced this as well in in other single family neighborhoods I heard this a lot from. 00:44:33
From those single family homeowners on the campaign trail that. 00:44:37
We're sick of people. 00:44:40
Coming in, renting out like over renting their their neighborhoods. Like if you drive through the cheminat, that's a great example 00:44:42
of an area where there's no parking restrictions on those roads. 00:44:46
And there's six or seven cars parked in front of. 00:44:51
Houses that are being rented to. 00:44:53
To multiple people where you'd have. 00:44:55
You know what could be a great? 00:44:57
Single family home. 00:44:59
Single family. 00:45:01
Number of vehicles. 00:45:02
But there's just a lot more parking, a lot more. 00:45:05
Road issues were the roads are just constantly lined with with cars compared to. 00:45:08
Areas that have some of those restrictions. Mayor, if I could offer just a little perspective on this. Yeah, so. 00:45:12
There's a couple ways that we've handled parking in the past 300 W obviously that was a city initiated permit program. The city is 00:45:18
the one that came in and initiated the signs and the permits and everything. The other two ways that we handle parking in 00:45:23
Vineyard. 00:45:27
Right now, by the policy that we have is if a neighborhood wants to do something about parking on public streets, not private 00:45:32
streets, public streets. 00:45:36
They can come in and petition the city. 00:45:40
If they get 75% of their resident of the people in owners in that. 00:45:42
Neighborhood they could do one of two things they can do it. They did in our in the the Villas, which is put a sign up of no 00:45:46
overnight parking period. 00:45:50
Which is what the Villas currently has. They don't allow any overnight parking. 00:45:54
On their streets. 00:45:58
And that is regulated by the Sheriff's Office. We're the ones that enforce that. The other option is what Cascade and this 00:45:59
neighborhood have done, which is no overnight parking unless you have a permit. 00:46:04
That permit process. 00:46:10
Has changed it. 00:46:11
Recently. 00:46:12
It used to be you just got like one per household, now you can get multiple. 00:46:13
And those are. 00:46:18
Both of those. 00:46:20
Our resident initiated, the city did not come in and initiate this. The residents of that neighborhood came in and initiated this. 00:46:21
So my only thing I would say is. 00:46:26
If we intend to remove that, are we going to remove that ability for a neighborhood to be able to put in those signs and regulate 00:46:31
their parking because Cascade has the exact same? 00:46:36
Set up as this neighborhood right here, they both were resident initiated. 00:46:41
If you don't have a permit, you get booted and. 00:46:44
They're both. We have a contract with this. 00:46:47
Between the city and the tow company to do that for us. 00:46:50
I don't believe the casket has a city parking permit. 00:46:54
Are the not cascade Providence? Sorry Providence. Providence is this is the springs in HOA. 00:46:56
No. 00:47:02
They're not in a Troy. 00:47:02
Yeah, but this, so you, you have the springs, you have the internal streets to the north of this are all private. 00:47:03
And the springs, they handled that through their HOA. 00:47:10
Separately from these two streets right here are the only ones around there that aren't part of that. 00:47:14
Their their public roads instead of private so. 00:47:19
I'm not saying we shouldn't remove the signs, I'm just saying that. 00:47:22
The residents there at the time this was initiated. 00:47:25
They requested it. 00:47:28
Sure, sure. 00:47:29
David, would you like to speak to this? 00:47:31
Yeah. So Ezra, were you managing? 00:47:35
Back then, did you? Did you? 00:47:37
Were you Privy to the arguments went back and forth and the history of that? 00:47:39
What year was that do you recall? 00:47:43
I wasn't involved in this particular discussions on this. 00:47:49
I think I thought he was just taking care of it as one of you had. 00:47:54
You could add. 00:47:56
Germane to this we really helpful. 00:47:58
So that's the case. 00:48:00
You know if we have. 00:48:02
So I guess. 00:48:04
We did it to solve a problem. It was it was resident initiated at the time. 00:48:06
I'm wondering what the problem was you're trying to solve. I mean right now, obviously now that the restriction is a little too. 00:48:10
Too strict. 00:48:15
I can speak to that as well if you want me to. David, please do. Yeah, OK. 00:48:16
We did have a lot of issues with with people parking along that they didn't live in the neighborhood. 00:48:20
Or extended periods of time like trailers and construction vehicles parking there and these residents. 00:48:25
They couldn't, similar to what's happening in like the Shaman on you got a lot of people parking there, so people can't even park 00:48:31
in their neighborhood. Providence. The issue they were having is Tucker Rowe and the locks. They were coming and parking within 00:48:36
Providence so people couldn't park in front of their own home. And so that's why they initiated it. 00:48:42
They were having similar issues on this in this neighborhood as well, so they don't have, maybe not anymore. 00:48:47
But they were having those. 00:48:52
So the springs had people from Tucker Row and others coming down and parking there is what you're saying? Not from Tucker Row. The 00:48:54
springs would have had people coming from the private roads to the north. 00:48:58
OK, coming in these two public roads. 00:49:02
And then we've had, we've had multiple calls there for trucks and trailers parking along that road that we've had to go out on. 00:49:06
And things like that in the past. 00:49:13
But that would still one other city pass didn't prevent the. 00:49:15
But that would. 00:49:19
That would still apply like if someone was doing a trailer, I mean, and it was there for two or three days you'd. 00:49:19
You and got a call you'd go and do that still right Yeah. If something's been 48 hours 48 hours without without moving without and 00:49:24
you also can't have. 00:49:28
Like an RV or a boat or anything like that on the road. That's a little bit different circumstances there. But yeah, you can't 00:49:33
park for more than 48 hours. But we were having issues that that that neighbor was having similar issues that the. 00:49:39
Providence was having where outside people were parking so they couldn't and they were, they were all so concerned with some 00:49:45
safety concerns with the school there of people lining the road on the opposite side of the homes. 00:49:51
And so that's. 00:49:57
That's why they implemented it. 00:49:58
Yeah, I'm not saying that. 00:50:00
And that was several years ago. 00:50:01
If we took, we're going to go out and talk to the residents, maybe 75% don't want that anymore. 00:50:03
My, my. Do you have anything else discussions happening I wanted to happen? 00:50:08
Awesome. Do you have anything you'd like to? 00:50:14
My concern is. 00:50:18
The vast majority of property of. 00:50:20
Publicly owned. 00:50:22
Streets, especially to the South where there's more density. 00:50:23
The citizens pay the same taxes. 00:50:27
And in my road and everyone, we all get to park on our roads. 00:50:29
And like. 00:50:33
These are publicly owned streets, and we're like, hey. 00:50:34
Were denying citizens the ability to use. 00:50:37
You know to use the road. 00:50:41
I think that. 00:50:43
The world is different with. 00:50:44
Tucker Rowe getting all of those parking spots on Vineyard Loop Rd. on the. 00:50:46
East Side. 00:50:51
Of Main Street and then also. 00:50:53
The loop, the parking on the loop Rd. on the West and then 300 W so I'm hoping that. 00:50:55
Other communities have enough parking that they wouldn't be coming over to the Springs here. 00:51:01
But I have no problem voting and supporting this. 00:51:07
And seeing, you know, two years ago, because on the campaign trail, this was so. 00:51:10
People fought for this, they wanted it so. 00:51:15
I would rather go with it and hear. 00:51:19
The backlash if they were to come and do a petition again. 00:51:22
Because if I owned a house there and I couldn't park in front of my house, I would be. 00:51:26
How? How can other people vote that away from me? 00:51:30
As a taxpayer, like, how do we have that? So yeah, inconsistency. 00:51:34
So Jacob would tell us about the input you you had people asking about this. Tell us more about that if you would input from the 00:51:39
specific areas, Yeah, no. So on a campaign show, I knocked. 00:51:44
A lot of doors. 00:51:49
In this particular area. 00:51:51
A lot of younger people live there. Like I said, older people live there and I didn't see. 00:51:52
Hear from one person that was in favor of the city parking pass. 00:51:56
The problem with the city parking pass, The biggest problem is education. 00:51:59
A lot of people don't even know. 00:52:03
It was there. 00:52:04
Like I said, that guy who just moved in. 00:52:05
The other day he had no idea. 00:52:08
So that's the biggest problem is education. 00:52:10
But. 00:52:12
It's just a fact that. 00:52:13
It's not solving any problems, it's creating more problems the people who are parking there. 00:52:15
Live there, there's no evidence. 00:52:20
That there's random people parking. 00:52:22
We're just talking about this road. 00:52:24
On this road, they don't live there. 00:52:26
Park, forgive me as I'm dying over here. So Parker, Parker is going to die. So we'll go back to Ezra. 00:52:30
Yeah. No, I mean, I think. 00:52:38
Like getting 75% of people to agree on anything is what is a tall order. 00:52:39
And again, I told you, I don't recall something about, I think, 2023. 00:52:45
And. 00:52:50
Yeah, my my hope. 00:52:52
So I just want to reiterate, like I am supportive of people parking in front of their own homes. I want to make sure people have 00:52:55
that opportunity. 00:52:59
And if there are other people in parking in front of your house, you don't have that opportunity. 00:53:02
I think the enforcement. 00:53:07
Doesn't make I mean the enforcement. 00:53:09
Is not. 00:53:11
My choice of enforcement, I think the. 00:53:13
Is. 00:53:15
Overburdensome. 00:53:16
And it punishes people who have these one time mistakes. 00:53:18
And again, that's, that's something that's currently contracted that I would love to to stop contracting for. 00:53:21
But we're going to need more than just our Sheriff's Office to. 00:53:26
To enforce that, I would love to have some people that have some authority from the Sheriff's Office. 00:53:30
That, uh. 00:53:34
Are in house that could enforce that. 00:53:35
And make sure we can balance that. 00:53:39
We're allowing people to park in front of their own homes to have that space during the day Where? 00:53:41
Where they've. 00:53:46
You know, don't have random cars. 00:53:47
Near their homes, and I think that that is a really big problem. 00:53:49
And especially to just to kind of note. 00:53:53
Not getting rid of this for the. 00:53:56
The whole city. 00:53:58
I want people to be able to have easier access to that, because the problem we have right now in Lechem Anat. 00:54:00
Is there's not enough homeowners that live there? 00:54:05
To be able to get 75% because the renters, they all want it. 00:54:08
All the renters want to just be able to park anywhere they. 00:54:11
Anywhere they can find a space and and not have to worry about that. It's it's the single family homeowners, the families that are 00:54:13
living there. 00:54:17
That are feeling the impacts of. 00:54:20
This. 00:54:23
Multi like 6 car. 00:54:24
Per household lifestyle. And so it's a similar thing that I feel like happened here. 00:54:26
I would. 00:54:31
Love to get. 00:54:31
More input from the community as much as. 00:54:32
Because I mean, I, I knocked a lot of doors on the campaign trail as well. And this was something that people said. 00:54:35
I'm moving out of Vineyard because I can't park in front of my house or because the stranger is parking in front of my house every 00:54:40
single night. 00:54:43
And the people that don't use the. 00:54:47
Parking space like if you have. 00:54:48
You know two cars and you can fit both of your cars in the garage. The only time you're gonna really need that space is when you 00:54:50
have visitors. 00:54:53
But people that have six cars, they can park there every single night because they know. 00:54:56
Hey, when I come home from work. 00:55:00
6/7, 8:00. 00:55:02
That space is going to be open because. 00:55:03
My visitors can no longer. 00:55:05
Like there's no visitors there at the time. 00:55:07
But then that that's where you see those problems compound where? 00:55:09
You don't have the space for visitors you don't have the space for. 00:55:12
Your own personal use and I think that's that's why this came into play. 00:55:15
And I think there's ways to find common ground here where we're. 00:55:19
Getting rid of the onerous enforcement of the booting. 00:55:23
That just happens every night. 00:55:26
The company comes through, they boot whoever they see. 00:55:28
This is completely different from the Sheriff's Office enforcement. 00:55:30
That that takes a more relaxed and educated approach to saying hey. 00:55:33
We notice you're parked here. 00:55:36
Let's try to find the owner. 00:55:38
The booting company, they just come through and they say, OK, how much money can I make tonight, Let's put the boots on and then 00:55:39
they leave. It's no longer their problem. 00:55:42
So I really don't like that. 00:55:45
And again, I think if we. 00:55:48
If we. 00:55:50
Have some sort of ability for for. 00:55:51
Homeowners to have control over. 00:55:54
What's happening right in front of their homes? 00:55:56
When we're all stacked on top of each other in this city. 00:55:58
Like Holdaway Rd. it's it's great they have way more space out there. 00:56:00
But in these higher dense areas, I mean you look at the houses there, they're single family homes, but. 00:56:05
6 to 10 feet between each house this is. 00:56:10
People. 00:56:12
Parked on top of each other, people stacked on top of each other. I think it's it's helpful to have some of these regulations, but 00:56:13
it's important that we try to. 00:56:16
Find a right balance between. 00:56:20
Letting people just. 00:56:22
Run rampant. 00:56:23
However they want. 00:56:25
And just doing a first come, first serve basis which the homeowners aren't going to have an opportunity to do unless they. 00:56:26
Intentionally park their cars in front of the street just so. 00:56:31
People don't park in front of their homes, which I've seen happen as well. 00:56:34
And areas like the shamanic. 00:56:37
So those are just my thoughts. That's what I'm hoping to address. May I? 00:56:39
Yeah. Are you? 00:56:44
I'm ready. 00:56:45
Locked and loaded. Yeah, I got all these. 00:56:46
Captain OK. 00:56:49
I am. It is no secret to anyone in this room that I am a huge proponent. 00:56:51
Of decentralization. 00:56:56
In pretty much every facet. 00:56:57
Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely, and the problem with government is that the more you get involved in it, 00:57:01
the more you think it's the solution to everything. 00:57:04
I think the very simple answer here is that we already have parking pass infrastructure in place. Why can we not give it? 00:57:09
For free. 00:57:15
To the residents in the neighborhood. 00:57:17
Allowing them to park in front of their homes. 00:57:18
And still in force. 00:57:21
Against people who are. 00:57:23
Parking in that neighborhood. 00:57:24
That don't live there. 00:57:26
If they're taking up that space. 00:57:27
We already have the infrastructure. 00:57:30
We don't have to sell it to them. 00:57:33
We could just let them park there for free. 00:57:36
With their pass. 00:57:38
Make it like a sub HOA type thing. 00:57:40
There's 25, there's. 00:57:43
25 houses on that loop if I'm counting correctly, 26 if you want to use the corner run. 00:57:45
So what you're saying is is like. 00:57:50
Give them each two passes. 00:57:52
And it's. 00:57:54
Keep the boot thing shut down, but now? 00:57:55
Sure, give me two and a visitor. 00:57:59
Two like think about it. 00:58:00
They can park in their driveway in the garage. 00:58:02
And there's one space. Objectively speaking, you look at that map, 1 space in front of every house. 00:58:05
Right, and there's. 00:58:10
Arguably then, one space on the opposite side of the street. I think 2 is overkill even. 00:58:11
Just let those residents have a. 00:58:17
Visitor pass or a pass for them? 00:58:19
On an as needed basis, let that neighborhood manage it. 00:58:21
You just have to find a volunteer in that neighborhood to manage it. 00:58:25
It's not an HOA. If I may. I know it's not an HOA. Sorry I keep talking. 00:58:29
Parker The way that this works, so university parking enforcement is the one that we contract with. 00:58:34
And you download an app on your phone. 00:58:39
And then you can purchase, you can have more than one pass, and then you just have to enter in the plate number to whatever 00:58:42
vehicle you're parking on the street that night. It doesn't have to be, It's not a hanging pass. It's a virtual pass on your phone 00:58:45
through an app. 00:58:49
And I think we I. 00:58:54
Cash handsy we would would be the better person. 00:58:56
To speak to the how many passes, but I think they can have two or three per household. There is a cost associated with them. I 00:58:59
can't remember the exact dollar amount. 00:59:03
Some of that cost is a pass through though because university parking enforcement. 00:59:07
Charges the city I believe. 00:59:11
For each permit. 00:59:13
Just to run the app, yeah. 00:59:14
But other than that, that's the only fee. 00:59:15
So, umm. 00:59:18
Gotcha, that's the way it's currently working. 00:59:19
Councilmember Wood, I'm happy to go out and look at signage. If the signage isn't up to what state code is, I'm happy to go look 00:59:23
at that and make sure that it's adequate. I haven't. 00:59:26
Personally driven on those two streets for for a little bit so I can go look at that and if we, if you decide to keep it, I can go 00:59:30
make sure that the signage is. 00:59:34
In accordance with the law. 00:59:38
So so I I knocked I think every door in that neighborhood. 00:59:39
While we were campaigning too. 00:59:44
And the most common complaint there? 00:59:46
Was the parking pass but the the complaint? 00:59:48
That I was picking up on specifically was that it was. 00:59:50
Them having to pay for it when it's right in front of their own house. 00:59:53
So I'm trying to figure how can we alleviate that root problem. 00:59:57
Let them park there. We shouldn't charge them for it. We shouldn't be burdening for that, but we can still have a protection as 01:00:00
the city. 01:00:03
To make sure that maybe they're. 01:00:06
Not being taken advantage of by other neighborhoods. So when it comes to the people, like other people parking their neighborhood. 01:00:09
This doesn't. The parking pass doesn't stop that, it just monetizes it. 01:00:14
Like I can still get a parking pass and park in front. 01:00:18
One of those houses I just have to. 01:00:21
Essentially pay the city to do that. 01:00:22
Yeah, so it doesn't. 01:00:24
It's not preventing. 01:00:26
People from well, my argument would be that we don't. 01:00:27
Don't sell that. 01:00:30
You just can't get a parking pass to park there if you don't live in that neighborhood. You have to prove your ownership of a home 01:00:31
to get one of those. That's correct. But that's what I'm saying is then it can't be monetized by somebody else coming in and 01:00:34
buying it. 01:00:38
But again, what problem are we solving? 01:00:42
We're solving not allowing people to other random people to Parker for another. I just don't think that's actually happened. 01:00:45
Talking on the ground, that's not happening. 01:00:51
Now it is happening in the Hamptons and other areas, but this particular Rd. 01:00:53
Who would be parking there? 01:00:59
I think the reason. 01:01:01
To Ezras point earlier that it's not happening is because there is enforcement there now. 01:01:02
Like that's probably the street that gets the most. 01:01:07
Tickets and boots other than 300 W. 01:01:11
Yeah, just because it's because of the confusing policy. 01:01:14
And those people were being booted. 01:01:17
Like on 300 W. 01:01:19
Live there. 01:01:21
Like 90% of them. 01:01:23
Yeah, yeah. 01:01:24
Where I'm at kind of all this, I think that. 01:01:26
I There's nothing that has not been said that I disagree with. 01:01:28
The only thing I would add is I think that this is. 01:01:33
A bigger problem than just right here. I mean I. 01:01:36
I've been on the phone all morning with members, residents in the Cottonwoods and there that the problem starting to flare up 01:01:40
there I. 01:01:43
I think that my neighborhood the. 01:01:47
Sycamores is going to be next and so I think that. 01:01:50
How we want to. 01:01:54
Help. 01:01:57
In the situation is. 01:01:58
Is important how to? 01:01:59
Because I'm I'm getting that. 01:02:01
Even it's starting to happen more in the South and the town of town as well, so. 01:02:02
You know, I think the suggestion that was made that have the HOA or the local. 01:02:09
Neighborhood, take care of it. It's really a good one, yeah. 01:02:13
And finding a volunteer. 01:02:15
It'll it'll work that at first. I suppose first they need to organize as a neighborhood. 01:02:17
In some way it would be a neighborhood wash, whatever they organized. 01:02:21
Some organizations would allow them to be able to function. 01:02:25
In a way that would. 01:02:28
Help. If they can decide how they want to work in a neighborhood, it would be a. 01:02:29
A good idea? 01:02:34
Jacob is this Is this an Is this springs an HOA? 01:02:35
OK. I think that's where the problem kind of flaring up is like the sycamores were not an HOA, Cottonwoods not an HOA. 01:02:37
It's the same problem. I mean, the springs comes in two parts too. There's a part north and there's a part next that surrounds the 01:02:45
school. 01:02:48
Yeah, and they and they have different. 01:02:51
Parking problems in each of those areas. 01:02:54
Yeah. So we would need to almost do it by a neighborhood basis, not even an HOA, but a sub HOA area. 01:02:56
Yeah, something like that. So. 01:03:01
We could. We could. 01:03:04
Do that like. 01:03:05
Having you know. 01:03:06
I don't mind supporting it this evening I'm. 01:03:08
In opening it up. 01:03:10
Especially with. 01:03:12
All the parking that we've added in other areas, I don't think. 01:03:13
I think other areas have solved their problems but. 01:03:17
I think it would be wise. 01:03:20
To there's 26 houses let's go find could someone be the voice and identify who that. 01:03:21
Voice of that. 01:03:27
Road is. 01:03:28
Finding unique solution for them if that's there, but I would. 01:03:30
I would rather have it be opened up. 01:03:34
And then when the problem comes back. 01:03:35
Then have a morganized. 01:03:38
Have them organize at that point. 01:03:40
I generally agree with that. I would rather. 01:03:42
Decentralize everything, remove the parking pass, not have the burden, remove the signage and then if there is a problem, have 01:03:45
that. 01:03:48
Be the solution in back pocket perhaps? 01:03:52
Yeah. And just say, OK, now did this. 01:03:54
Spring of having more parking, Did it spring a problem and if it did. 01:03:56
Great, let's have one person come back and speak for you now. 01:04:00
Because we've added. 01:04:05
Much parking with 300 WI think that's where the problem was coming from and the city has a traffic calming policy that allows for 01:04:07
that for anything to happen it doesn't have. 01:04:11
And I think parking could be lumped in with. 01:04:15
Traffic calming. 01:04:17
Right. It's all basically the same kind of thing. So there's a mechanism already in place to allow for that. 01:04:18
Mayor, if I could, yes please, if you if you would like. 01:04:25
Our planning department works on parking issues across the city. It would be a very easy. 01:04:29
Survey to deliver out to 25. 01:04:35
Homes and give them. 01:04:38
Two or three options as far as a solution going forward. 01:04:41
Some of the things that have been discussed tonight. 01:04:45
And bring back a response. 01:04:47
In the form of. 01:04:50
Data for you to consider and. 01:04:51
Approve a path going forward with that. 01:04:54
In hand. 01:04:56
And the survey would be, we're going to ask the homes along. 01:04:56
470 N. 01:04:59
And then 100 W. 01:05:01
Correct. 01:05:03
What? 01:05:06
The home, the homeowners of. 01:05:07
Those two. 01:05:10
So that's another question. How many of those are rentals? 01:05:11
Well, I think that that would be doesn't matter. Through our utility billing, we can get through to the. 01:05:14
Owners of those, yeah. 01:05:19
Because we just we build utilities go straight to the homeowners now, right, OK. 01:05:20
Yeah, but then. 01:05:24
But if half of them live out of town. 01:05:26
Well, that's where, yeah, that's where you're going to have the problems, where all the people that. 01:05:29
Have four or five people living there are going to. 01:05:33
Say, Oh yeah, no, open up the parking for everyone. The homeowner still has an incentive to. 01:05:36
Try and make the place as desirable as possible for the tenants. 01:05:42
We have a comment here. Do you have a comment? 01:05:47
Please. 01:05:50
Daria Evans, Vineyard resident I just texted a. 01:05:54
Homeowner in the Springs HOA. 01:05:59
And she answered me and said. 01:06:02
Now if I can get to it. 01:06:05
She said yes, the springs are still under water's edge. HOA. 01:06:09
Just so you know. 01:06:13
Yeah, this portion is not. 01:06:16
Well, her part is she's still part of it. 01:06:18
Yeah. Does she live on those roads? 01:06:21
There's an upper. 01:06:25
Well, she's just on the other side. 01:06:27
OK, well. 01:06:29
So yeah. 01:06:31
Thank you, thank you, thank you. You're. 01:06:32
Well, OK. 01:06:38
Let's do this. 01:06:44
We have a hard stop tonight. I needed to. 01:06:47
Bunch of have stuff we want to get going to. 01:06:50
How do we want to, how do we want to move forward on this? Can I make a motion? Yeah. 01:06:53
I'd like to motion to continue this. 01:06:56
Item 4. 01:06:59
Do you think 3 weeks would be enough time to get some of that data? 01:07:01
Get some input from the homeowners out there. 01:07:04
That way we can just have. 01:07:07
A discussion with a little more. 01:07:08
More data backing up. 01:07:10
Yeah. Can you, can you put in the survey? 01:07:11
Because I do surveys. 01:07:14
The city is considering opening up and removing the. 01:07:17
Parking permit, would you be in favor? 01:07:19
Of it. 01:07:22
And then have an open comment period. We would like like a paragraph. 01:07:22
Area where they can. 01:07:27
Opine put a lot of space in the survey spot. 01:07:29
So they can just open text. 01:07:33
You know their feedback. 01:07:35
And then would you be? 01:07:36
Supportive of it, Yes or no? 01:07:38
Is that the question we want to ask? 01:07:39
Do you want to write the survey yourself? 01:07:43
Jacob yes. 01:07:44
OK. All right, we'll develop that and. 01:07:46
Work. I'm OK with that motion and then. 01:07:48
We'll continue this. 01:07:50
To three weeks to vote, let's do 2 weeks, not three weeks the. 01:07:52
Well, I think it's three because it's. 01:07:55
It's either one week or three weeks, either one or three scheduled meeting. So just figuring we line up with one of those. 01:07:57
Yeah, K3. 01:08:02
Yeah, that works. 01:08:04
OK, second. 01:08:05
OK, all in favor. 01:08:07
Aye. 01:08:09
OK, awesome. Motion passes. 01:08:11
OK. That is all we've got for tonight. Thank you guys all for so much for coming and we will see you. 01:08:13
Next week in our regular scheduled. 01:08:18
City Council meeting. 01:08:20
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Event transcript
All right, cool. 00:00:05
Yeah. 00:00:24
All righty guys. 00:00:35
We good to go, Tony. 00:00:37
We're good to go from a reporting. 00:00:39
Standpoint I just realized. 00:00:40
Was a little ahead of myself. OK. 00:00:41
Well, we'll need another. 00:00:43
30 seconds so. 00:00:44
I was really. 00:00:48
All right. 00:00:55
OK, sounds good. 00:00:55
Out to City Council today. It is January 20th. 00:00:58
2026 it is 5. 00:01:02
PM I am Mayor Zach Stratton presiding the meeting and I'd like to open up the council meeting. 00:01:04
We have. 00:01:10
A special guest today. 00:01:11
To give us our. 00:01:13
Pledge of Allegiance and then the opening prayer. 00:01:14
So I'm going to have Mac Felbert come on up here. 00:01:17
So Mac is. 00:01:20
One of the great young men we have living in the. 00:01:22
In the city. 00:01:25
And he won a war today. What was the award you won today, Mac? You were the citizen of the. 00:01:26
Citizen of the day of his elementary school. So this is so awesome. So we're going to do the Pledge of Allegiance and then we will 00:01:31
have Mac. 00:01:34
Say the open prayer and then I have a little something to give Mac. 00:01:37
Here somewhere so. 00:01:40
Should I just have my? 00:01:42
Yeah, go right there, buddy. You want to talk into that? 00:01:44
OK, ready. 00:01:46
Fridge ready. Begin. 00:01:52
I pledge allegiance to the flag. 00:01:54
Of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands. 00:01:56
1. 00:02:02
Under God, indivisible. 00:02:04
With liberty and justice for all. 00:02:06
Awesome. 00:02:09
Going to the prayer. 00:02:10
Dear Heavenly Father, regret for her stay. Please bless that we can all be open minded and open hearted and that this meeting can 00:02:17
go well. 00:02:21
Please restart, we can have a good rest of our time here. 00:02:25
Can you open the open? 00:02:28
I did in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen. Amen. 00:02:30
Thank you so much, Mack. 00:02:34
Tony, did I had some pins up here. Did you see where are those over there? Can you give one of those pins to Mac? 00:02:35
We got an American flag and we're going to give you. Thank you so much, Mac. You're, you're awesome. 00:02:44
All righty, we're going to jump into our work session. We have an item 2.1 City Council listening session for. 00:02:50
Vineyard, Interfaith. 00:02:56
And nonprofit organizations, Councilman Holdaway is going to facilitate a discussion and listening session for the purpose of 00:02:58
this. So I'm going to turn the time over to Jake. And also we excuse Councilman Ezra Nair. He is on his way. 00:03:04
He had an issue with the county he had to take care of real quick, but he should be here. He said about 15 minutes, so let's go 00:03:10
ahead and get started. 00:03:13
This is a really exciting. 00:03:18
Conversation to have. 00:03:21
And I hope during the public comment period we would. 00:03:23
Allow for comments on this topic. I know normally if it's something on the topic we wouldn't, but. 00:03:26
I'd hope if anyone wants to leave comments. 00:03:32
Umm. 00:03:37
I've had the opportunity for 20 years to travel throughout the country. 00:03:38
And see cities and counties. 00:03:42
Been to every state. 00:03:45
Sit in a lot of council meetings. 00:03:46
And one of the best. 00:03:49
Things I've ever seen is when. 00:03:52
A government understands how to work well with. 00:03:55
Nonprofits and faith-based communities. 00:03:58
And understanding what roles. 00:04:02
And what strength and weaknesses? 00:04:04
Each one of them have. 00:04:06
Certain faith-based organizations. 00:04:09
Are incredibly strong in certain communities and they add vibrant color. 00:04:13
They add. 00:04:18
So much culture. 00:04:19
And to be honest with you, it enriches the citizens lives by allowing them and giving them opportunity to serve others. 00:04:21
And it gives them purpose. 00:04:29
And some of the best communities I've seen. Flagstaff, AZ. 00:04:32
Come to come to mind where? 00:04:36
It's like they set up a culture. 00:04:40
Where? 00:04:43
On a quarterly or monthly basis? 00:04:44
They will sync with the nonprofit organizations in their community. 00:04:48
And find out what they're doing. 00:04:53
Where they need help? 00:04:55
Or what the city is doing. 00:04:57
Where they need help? 00:04:59
Or. 00:05:01
Faith-based organizations as well. 00:05:01
And sit there as a round table to get feedback. 00:05:04
And to serve one another. 00:05:08
And so. 00:05:11
I wanted to put this on the agenda for the Council to consider. 00:05:13
In the next month. 00:05:18
Sending out an official invitation from the city. 00:05:20
From the mayor. 00:05:24
Two and putting it on to social media to. 00:05:25
Do an accounting of all. 00:05:30
Nonprofits that are within. 00:05:33
City. 00:05:35
They might be a little bit out. 00:05:36
Of our city and. 00:05:38
Or serve our city. 00:05:41
And also also faith-based institutions. 00:05:42
And the purpose of that meeting is we would. 00:05:46
And citizens could recommend them. Hey, have you thought about this? Have you thought about that? 00:05:48
And send an official letter and then a month from now holding a round table. 00:05:52
Some of them are official organizations, some of them might be small. 00:05:57
Non. 00:06:02
And some of the areas that I think could really. 00:06:04
Be of beneficial is. 00:06:08
The city's emergency preparedness plan. 00:06:10
The city has grown. 00:06:13
Dramatically. 00:06:15
Some faith-based organizations play a very crucial role here in Utah County in the. 00:06:16
With the changes of that. 00:06:22
Should we lead? Should they lead? Where do they go? 00:06:24
And uh. 00:06:27
And. 00:06:27
With that. 00:06:28
You know what? What would happen there? 00:06:30
That's one idea. 00:06:32
Now these are our ideas from the city. 00:06:33
So understanding that in that. 00:06:36
Roundtable. 00:06:38
They might be throwing us things back at us, right? So it's a two way relationship when these things happen, but I believe from a 00:06:39
city standpoint. 00:06:44
We might be able to learn something from them. 00:06:48
Strengthening compassionate community response like we have deaths. 00:06:53
We have struggles. We have community cares. 00:06:57
Where they focus in on suicide. 00:07:00
What are the faith-based communities doing with that? 00:07:03
Where are they at on that issue? When? When? 00:07:05
A problem, An emergency happens. Are we communicating? 00:07:09
How is that communication going? And since we're. 00:07:12
All new on the Council. 00:07:15
Minus me. 00:07:17
It might be working well. 00:07:18
On some of these. 00:07:20
And it might not, but I think it's important that we know. 00:07:21
Like umm. 00:07:24
Before we come in. 00:07:25
Where are things in the? 00:07:27
And could we step up? Could we step down? Or is this just a communication issue? 00:07:29
And then third ideas of expanding or improving service projects like. 00:07:35
You know, there's a lot of nonprofit organizations like. 00:07:40
Conserve Utah Valley. 00:07:45
United Way. 00:07:48
All the different religious groups that are dying to find. 00:07:49
Can I adopt A shoreline? 00:07:53
Do we have that? Is it easy to do that? And it's hard sometimes. I get that all the time. Like where can I serve? 00:07:55
And so I think as a staff we could. 00:08:00
Or as a city organized well, what projects do we need and who is organizing that? 00:08:03
Like who do they call? Where do they go? Maybe we're doing a good job there, but just take an accounting. 00:08:08
Of that. 00:08:13
And then #4. 00:08:14
Opportunities to better involve faith-based groups and nonprofits during city events. 00:08:17
I've heard really great things today about. 00:08:22
How well we're doing at the 9/11 day of service. 00:08:25
But there's also others like. 00:08:28
You know we have a Christmas tree lighting and Easter egg hunt. 00:08:31
Vineyard Heritage Days. 00:08:34
Like do they know that they are that? 00:08:36
That nonprofits are invited there. How do you feel like we've done well? Could we do something more so? 00:08:39
The purpose of this on the agenda? 00:08:44
Is to not make any decisions or anything like that but before we. 00:08:47
Adjust or. 00:08:51
Could we invite the leaders of those organizations? 00:08:52
To the table. 00:08:55
To have some sort of conversation. 00:08:57
Recognizing them and then. 00:08:59
And then from that. 00:09:02
Put together kind of a. 00:09:03
A plan, if you will, from the from what we hear. 00:09:05
And then bring that back to the Council. 00:09:09
From what we learn. 00:09:11
So thank you for that. 00:09:15
Jake. 00:09:16
Let's start here on my right. 00:09:17
David, would you like to? 00:09:19
Talk to that, speak that. 00:09:21
At all I'm in favor of. 00:09:23
Involving the public and all sorts of things. 00:09:26
We have many, many opportunities for. 00:09:28
For people to serve. 00:09:31
We think I think our community works best when the community is involved. 00:09:32
And so I. 00:09:37
I'm I'm happy to support that. 00:09:38
Awesome. 00:09:40
Thank you. Yeah, same here. I like the idea of involving more, you know, volunteer based organizations and and people and I think 00:09:41
this would be a benefit to the city to have. 00:09:45
More people in the community have a say and. 00:09:50
In terms of planning events and. 00:09:52
Stuff like that. So. 00:09:54
Awesome. Thanks. 00:09:57
Jump down to Parker. 00:09:58
Yeah, I think that. 00:10:00
We should probably have another work session. 00:10:02
Bring them out. 00:10:05
And hear what their capabilities are, what their interests are, and what they're actually able and willing to support. 00:10:06
It probably is. 00:10:13
Not super beneficial for us to sit up here and opine without actually having their insights, so just getting your guys' buy in to 00:10:15
say. 00:10:19
The council's buy in to say could we plan this, We'd probably set out the room with like a round table discussion, especially 00:10:23
working with communications of who has, you know, you send out these letters, what responses did you get? 00:10:29
And sometimes you'll get a great response. Sometimes you know you won't. 00:10:36
But I think if we do a push, this will also help citizens understand maybe I want to get involved or maybe I do want to play a 00:10:40
role. 00:10:43
Here or there. 00:10:47
To do that, but I think it also. 00:10:50
This is something that. 00:10:53
I think. 00:10:54
What I've seen is you have to take an accounting every year. 00:10:55
Some people, you know, it's like. 00:10:58
Your energy. 00:11:00
We've taken this load forever. We like carrying it, it goes really well. 00:11:03
But we're tired and we would rather rotate that. 00:11:07
Yeah, but I I do know that. 00:11:10
By going through and doing this accounting, we'll find out what assets we have to strengthen within our city. 00:11:14
And also where we can have a. 00:11:21
So on our side. 00:11:23
The work that we would do is. 00:11:26
Working probably with our Sheriff's Office. 00:11:28
TO and our public works to understand what is our current emergency preparedness plan like? Where have we done in the past? 00:11:30
Do we like it? 00:11:37
Where are we at with? 00:11:38
You know, our compassionate community response, like what happens when something bad happens? What's the handoff to nonprofits? Is 00:11:40
there a triage? 00:11:44
How do we communicate with? 00:11:49
Faith-based organizations or not, or do we have? If we don't, then at least we could when they're here, say this is what we're 00:11:51
currently doing. Do you like that? Do you not like that? What? What works well? 00:11:56
And then same thing with our service projects, like looking at what service projects we've done in the past and even presenting 00:12:03
them to those organizations. 00:12:07
On those days, so it might turn into two meetings depending on how much we get done. 00:12:12
But then I think. 00:12:15
We could have. 00:12:17
Notes taken of understanding of where people are and. 00:12:18
Present some good what we've found. 00:12:22
Back to. 00:12:25
To you guys. So no decisions would be made. It's just more of a listening session. 00:12:27
Awesome. 00:12:30
Where I'm at on this, I think that this is. 00:12:31
I'm actually really, really excited for this and for a couple of reasons. My. 00:12:34
Kind of my political leanings generally is I think that government is most efficient when it's narrowed in scope and it really 00:12:39
partners well with nonprofits and religious groups in an appropriate way. 00:12:44
And what's been really surprising to me is. 00:12:49
As I've the last couple weeks as mayor, how much information flows to me? 00:12:52
And needs of the community and how much good we can do. 00:12:57
I think. 00:13:00
And I think the key, one of the keys to making sure that. 00:13:01
The good is happening in the most appropriate way is getting that information and. 00:13:04
And having resources and partnerships at our disposal to make sure that that's happening. And I really like there is. We do have a 00:13:09
lot of good things that the Vineyard staff have been working on and the cares is awesome. You know, we have some great things that 00:13:15
have been happening and just making sure that we are. 00:13:20
All working and aligned and. 00:13:25
Using the. 00:13:27
The, I guess I'd say the talents of every every individual, the best we can to serve the citizens. 00:13:29
And provide that. So I think that's great. 00:13:36
I really like it so. 00:13:39
The last thing I would say is. 00:13:41
You know, these things can turn into big, beautiful things. They don't have to, and maybe it doesn't come of this. 00:13:44
But. 00:13:50
My family has had the opportunity to participate in the Orem Seric, the creation of the Orem Sera. 00:13:51
It's a legacy that our family is very proud of. It's where. 00:13:58
The city stepped back and said. 00:14:01
Well, we want something civically happening. 00:14:03
But we don't know if government should be in control. 00:14:06
Could we play a role in? 00:14:10
Having faith-based or passionate people that are about that and a nonprofit was started, it was formed. The city helps it a little 00:14:12
bit. 00:14:16
But it's completely independent from the city. 00:14:20
Warm Summerfest is a huge win. 00:14:23
In the city of Orem, where so many volunteers come together and put that on. 00:14:25
And it's such a legacy, and that service adds a piece of ownership to it. 00:14:30
And the same thing with the Provo Freedom Festival. That is all. 00:14:35
Government stepping back? 00:14:40
Evaluating what assets they are and saying we would love people to lead and. 00:14:42
And have it independent from the city, but it really adds character and culture and. 00:14:48
I think if we can go out so my my voice to the citizens listening and seeing and reading is. 00:14:52
Take an accounting of where you're at and see maybe you and we would like to inspire our citizens to thank. 00:14:58
Maybe that's you, and maybe you think you're not good enough. Maybe you think you can't. I mean, David Pierce has stepped up and 00:15:05
others in like Vineyard Cares. Others have different passions. 00:15:09
Conservative Valley has position. 00:15:14
Has passions about the lake and others. 00:15:16
And so just looking for areas where. 00:15:18
Where you can serve. Come to this meeting. Come to listen about it. Form ideas. 00:15:21
We're not going to have the Provost solution. We're not going to have the Orem solution. 00:15:25
But we'll have the vineyards and it'll be unique to to what we're doing here, so. 00:15:29
Awesome. Thanks. 00:15:34
Well, I think that the take away from this discussion, does anyone have any other comments, David? Jacob Parker, are you good? 00:15:35
Didn't take away from that discussion. Jake, let's work on that letter. We can get that sent out together. And then Tony, let's 00:15:39
get something on. 00:15:44
Less tentatively in maybe a month or. 00:15:48
We'll look at the the agenda, what time and figure out a time that works with everybody. And I think that that's. 00:15:50
Yeah, good. Take away from that and you hold the power to do it. I just want we wanted to. 00:15:57
Put this on the agenda to say that we're considering and if anyone has ideas between. 00:16:02
That could they route them to me of yeah, absolutely yeah. We want to think of all. 00:16:06
Faith we want to think of all nonprofits things that and in the comment period. If anyone has any ideas please let us know. 00:16:10
OK, awesome. 00:16:17
All righty. Well, thank you for that. Let's we'll move forward in that direction. 00:16:18
We will now move into public comments. 00:16:22
I have the. 00:16:25
We're changing up how we're doing public on this a little bit, asking if you would like to speak in public comments to sign the 00:16:27
list. I know that we that's the new thing that we're trying to do this time so. 00:16:31
And we have Kim and Karen are would you? 00:16:36
Did you want to? Do you have any public comments today? 00:16:39
Kim Cornelius does OK Anybody else? 00:16:41
After Kim. 00:16:43
OK. All right, Mark, that'd be great. OK, we'll go Kim, then we'll jump to Mark. So. 00:16:45
Anxious to make sure the standard 3 minutes. Yeah, I think so. Are you going to ramble on a little bit Kim or? 00:16:50
That's a question for my wife, not me. All right. Sounds good. 00:16:58
Kim Cornelius, Vineyard resident. 00:17:02
I just wanted to draw attention to one of the paragraphs in the. 00:17:05
Kind of the. 00:17:09
The first page of the agenda. 00:17:11
Or the pre agenda. It's not actually the agenda part. 00:17:14
It begins with whenever making comments. 00:17:20
Whether during the public comment period? 00:17:23
At a public hearing or an informal basis, citizens are expected to address the issue, not address an individual council member, 00:17:27
city staff. 00:17:30
OR applicant, please address the Council as a whole. 00:17:34
Not an individual is expected that all interchanges will be courteous, respectful and constructive. 00:17:37
Citizens acting in an inappropriate manner will be invited to leave the meeting. 00:17:43
I believe this is. 00:17:47
Somewhat of an excerpt from the Code of Conduct. 00:17:48
And we had some poor examples of this in our last meeting. I just wanted to. 00:17:52
Bring that out. 00:17:56
Thank you, Kim. 00:17:57
Mark, would you like to? 00:17:59
Come on down. 00:18:01
State your name would be awesome. 00:18:03
So thank you. If I may, I'd like to invite. 00:18:04
Miss Hell to join me as well. So my name is Mark C Strand. 00:18:08
And as. 00:18:13
As I teach at UVU but I also my. 00:18:14
My church calling is to be over the communication council. 00:18:17
For the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and I've had a number of dialogues with. 00:18:20
Councilmember Holdaway. 00:18:24
Regarding how can we increase the? 00:18:26
The involvement of the charities as well as the interfaith organizations here in the community. 00:18:29
And I just wanted to say. 00:18:34
Part of what we do is try to help you. 00:18:36
In that process, we have existing connections and relationships with many of the interfaith organizations, with other elected 00:18:38
officials. 00:18:42
With nonprofit organizations. 00:18:47
Organization also does the giving machines. Each year we wrap that up so. 00:18:50
The opportunity to work with, and I will say we have some wonderful charitable organizations here. 00:18:55
That I do think, really. 00:19:00
Want to work with cities and but part of that is how do you open the door? 00:19:02
To allow them to do that, Habitat for Humanity, for example, has a lot of opportunities. But finding a way to. 00:19:06
Where can that take place in Vineyard? And some of those things I think is good along the service project. I'll let Nancy. 00:19:13
Hell, what she does with just serve because I think there's some great opportunities there to utilize. 00:19:22
Better. Yeah, so. 00:19:27
My husband Val Hale and myself Nancy, we live in Orem. 00:19:29
And we have been. 00:19:33
Called to be the gesture of specialists for the Central and Vineyard area. 00:19:36
And so we have been working. 00:19:40
With the past administration and currently there is on just serve. 00:19:42
A Vineyard page. 00:19:47
And so if anyone's looking for a service project, that's one of the places that they will visit. 00:19:50
So we are able to work with the city and like you said, with nonprofits as you're looking for service opportunities. 00:19:56
Then we can help get them posted on Just Serve. And then that's what we encourage citizens, regardless of religious beliefs, all 00:20:04
citizens to go to Just Serve to find opportunities to serve. So we do have an organization page already set up for Vineyard City. 00:20:11
We've been working with Anna Nelson and. 00:20:18
We, you know, hope to be able to continue to do that and are excited to hear about your initiatives. 00:20:25
Also, you're looking forward to. 00:20:31
Yeah. And one of the ones coming up is the 9/11 day of service. We start to do the planning for that. 00:20:33
In the March timeframe, and so we'll be getting some more information to you. Typically in the past you've had a city 00:20:38
representative that's been part of the planning. 00:20:43
Part of that we kind of do a little bit of a regional thing, some projects like the food drive. 00:20:47
Is is a multi city kind of event, so we're here to help and provide our services as as you see fit. So feel free to reach out to 00:20:52
us and we'll be awesome. Appreciate it. Thank you so much guys, you're awesome. Thanks for coming and. 00:20:58
For that, all righty. 00:21:04
Oh yes, please. Come on down. 00:21:07
I just wanted to say thank you to Mack. I thought that was a wonderful idea to get youth involved. 00:21:12
City Council. 00:21:18
Just the Pledge of Allegiance. 00:21:20
And offering a prayer, I think that was just a great way to involve. 00:21:23
More citizens? 00:21:26
I think we could continue to do that with either a thought. 00:21:27
And the pledge. 00:21:31
Or prayer. 00:21:33
Whatever. 00:21:34
Works well. Thank you, thank you. And then just for. 00:21:35
Of streaming purposes, folks at home, that was. 00:21:38
Darry Evans? Darry Evans? Nope. You're good. Anybody else? 00:21:41
OK. All righty. We will close the public comment period. 00:21:45
Of the meeting and move now to our business items. 00:21:49
5.1300 W Parking updates and resolution. 00:21:55
2026. 00:21:59
That's 3.0. 00:22:00
Discussing discussion and action. So I'm actually going to turn the time turn to you Jacob, that's OK and kind of explain current 00:22:03
state and what. 00:22:07
These proposed. 00:22:11
This proposed resolution would. 00:22:12
I do for for the city. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you. 00:22:15
So as some of you may know. 00:22:18
Oh, pause for next one. 00:22:21
As so you may know, the parking force by 300 W and Loop Rd. has been paused for several months now. 00:22:24
The pause began after I started parking petition. 00:22:30
I got over 400 signatures and launched. 00:22:32
Fixed Vineyard parking and effort. 00:22:35
Get residents who felt they had no voice, no see at the table. 00:22:38
To the table. 00:22:41
In November 2024, roughly 200 residents were booted for not having a newly created city parking pass. 00:22:42
The vast majority of those impacted were young adults, working families and students. 00:22:48
And low income residents. 00:22:52
Many had no idea that the city parking pass even existed. 00:22:54
When I learned about what was happening, I took the initiative to notify residents about the new pass. 00:22:58
But by then the damage has already been done. 00:23:03
And hundreds of people have already been forced to pay fees up to $75 just to park right front of their house. 00:23:05
For a return missionary, for a student, for a family already struggling with raising costs, $75 is not insignificant. It's a real 00:23:12
hardship. 00:23:15
Story after story came in. People waking up to boots on their cars, confused, frustrated. 00:23:20
And feeling taken advantage of. 00:23:24
Those experiences are a major reason why I decided to run for City Council. 00:23:26
I ran to represent the forgotten people, younger residents, renters, working families and people who felt ignored. 00:23:31
Or over regulated? 00:23:37
And disproportionately impacted by these policies, they had no role. 00:23:38
In shaping. 00:23:41
Though fixing your parking works with. 00:23:43
So we partnered with the HOA who have been fighting for this change for a long time. 00:23:46
And together we came. 00:23:51
We voted and we made history in November. 00:23:53
And I sit here as a result of that shared effort and movement. So tonight's action is about following through on that commitment. 00:23:56
This policy will formally recognize and remove. 00:24:02
The city parking pass on 300 W and Vineyard Loop Rd. and permanently allow residents to park. 00:24:06
In front of their home without paying a fee to the city. 00:24:11
Or being punished for not. 00:24:14
We are not changing course tonight. We are correcting it. We are formalizing what has already been working during the pause. 00:24:16
And taking a meaningful, meaningful step. 00:24:22
Towards preparing the trust that was damaged. 00:24:24
And with that, I'll open up for. 00:24:26
City Council discussion. 00:24:28
All righty, we started on the right, so we're going to go from left. 00:24:31
Parker, anything you'd like? 00:24:35
To comment on that. 00:24:36
Yeah, parking was also something that I campaigned pretty heavily on, mostly because I just felt like it. 00:24:38
Was not. 00:24:42
Ever in the best interest of citizens. 00:24:44
For their. 00:24:46
Government or representation to be in the business of squeezing them for a few bucks here and there and it became especially. 00:24:48
Abhorrent to me. 00:24:55
When? 00:24:56
I was told by the previous council that that. 00:24:57
Project. 00:24:59
Wasn't even paying for. 00:25:01
Itself. 00:25:02
Excuse me? 00:25:03
And that the cost of. 00:25:05
Tickets and boots. 00:25:07
Weren't even paying for the administration costs of having that program in effect. 00:25:09
So I think that this is a no brainer for. 00:25:13
Fiscal discipline and transparency and also helping the residents of Vineyard be. 00:25:16
Burdened by government? 00:25:20
Awesome. Thanks, Jake. 00:25:23
So the current policy is just taking it off and we're not recognizing the HOA. We're just allowing anyone. Yeah, we're just taking 00:25:25
it off. So right now it's already paused. It's been known for for about. 00:25:29
Eight or nine months. 00:25:33
So we're just actually taking the signs down. 00:25:35
Can I share another thought though? This was a question that I received during the. 00:25:38
The campaign. 00:25:42
Was that? 00:25:44
The uh. 00:25:45
HOA's were seeking the ability to. 00:25:46
Sell their HOA parking passes for the city parking streets. 00:25:50
And I don't think that that's permissible either. 00:25:54
If it's. 00:25:57
Public infrastructure. 00:25:59
It's public. 00:26:01
And we leave it at that. 00:26:02
Yeah, Yeah, I've got no problems. I fully support it and I've spoken with the HOA leadership that's there and I think they're. 00:26:03
If they want to speak at later time, I think that's a great move. 00:26:11
OK, sounds good. I think long term. 00:26:14
You know, if you go back to these projects, they were. 00:26:18
They were severely. 00:26:20
Under. 00:26:24
Planned to be able to have that amount of parking. 00:26:25
I think this this makes it. 00:26:29
A little bit right I. 00:26:31
I think that we should. 00:26:33
Look at it. 00:26:35
You know, go through and and see about it. I worry if it becomes a catch all. 00:26:36
Where vehicles might not. 00:26:41
That live there, they just dump like a camper or a car or something. Long term I don't think that's going to be an issue and I 00:26:43
think that. 00:26:46
You know, if there was a car or camper in front of my house for a really long time, we would hear about it. But I would love the 00:26:50
sheriff to let us know if it's become something. 00:26:54
You know, report back to us, but I don't, I don't see that becoming an issue. Can can we discuss? 00:26:58
I'm sorry, I don't know what the decor if I just keep chiming in like we're good. 00:27:03
We have existing city code. 00:27:08
For how long a vehicle can be parked on the city street, correct? That's what I thought and so. 00:27:11
The reality is we just have to do a better job of code enforcement. 00:27:15
Allowing public parking on the city street doesn't remove or replace. 00:27:20
Other existing code. 00:27:24
OK, awesome. That's it. 00:27:26
Thank you. 00:27:29
David. 00:27:30
Thank you. 00:27:32
Yeah. 00:27:33
I really think that we need to release that parking. I've seen pictures we've all seen pictures of. 00:27:34
Of people parked right in front of their house, it's right there, right next to drive with a park right there and they're booted 00:27:39
next morning. 00:27:42
And that really and. 00:27:45
It just doesn't seem to make sense. 00:27:47
From AI understand that that that. 00:27:48
One of the reasons that was done by the city was they wanted to have. 00:27:51
They wanted to have parking reserved for the public that would come and use the beachfront there. 00:27:54
But the fact is they would come here in the day when that place is almost a desert. There's no one's parked there in the daytime. 00:28:00
Yeah, nobody is. And so at night time when the residents need the parking. 00:28:06
That's when the booting was taken. 00:28:10
Place and no one's going to the beachfront then. 00:28:11
And if they are, they probably ought to reconsider. 00:28:13
No, that's not a good time to beat the beach. So. 00:28:16
So really it just, it just did. I don't think it was well thought out, so I think it's appropriate to remove it. 00:28:20
Awesome. Thanks. 00:28:25
Ezra, would you like to comment on this? 00:28:26
Yeah, I'll second that. I'll, I'll. 00:28:29
When I campaigned, I campaigned on this issue as well. I actually used to live in high density housing and vineyard. I lived in 00:28:32
Tucker Row for for a number of years when I was. 00:28:36
Back in college and. 00:28:41
Back then, the towing restrictions started at 11:00 PM. 00:28:43
Which? 00:28:46
For young folks is a very early hour, I'll say. 00:28:48
And my wife and I were. We were engaged at the time. 00:28:52
And we were planning our wedding until about 11:30 at my apartment and. 00:28:57
She went to go. 00:29:00
Get into her car after that and. 00:29:02
It wasn't there. 00:29:05
This was over in the visitor parking Ford Tucker Row, so this was 11/30. 00:29:06
On like a Friday night completely normal hour. 00:29:11
And this was back before they had booting and they actually just towed all the cars to American Fork. 00:29:14
And. 00:29:19
For us planning our wedding as poor college students. 00:29:20
$250 to get that car out of there and even to find transportation to get out there. 00:29:24
Was a mess and so. 00:29:29
I'm very. 00:29:31
Glad to be able to help. 00:29:33
Those in these high density homes to. 00:29:34
Make official this this process. I think having that lived experience really has helped inform my decisions on. 00:29:37
On what it's like to live in high density in these areas. 00:29:42
But I also want to 2nd. 00:29:47
Parker's comments as well, or Councilman's? 00:29:49
Comments as well. 00:29:51
On enforcement, I do think. 00:29:52
Code enforcement. 00:29:56
An important part of this we want to make sure that we. 00:29:57
Are not. 00:30:00
It's really it's, it's kind of the broken windows syndrome if you have a neighborhood where a window breaks. 00:30:02
People see that goes unnoticed. 00:30:09
More crime starts to happen. 00:30:11
And so having people parking cars that are. 00:30:12
Disabled or whatever overtime can. 00:30:16
Can really help encourage additional crime in areas and so I want to make sure that. 00:30:19
We have the resources to be able to. 00:30:25
Manage that well and. 00:30:28
And keep those problems from occurring. 00:30:29
And our sheriff's, I mean, they deal with very. 00:30:33
They deal with a lot. 00:30:36
And when it comes to some of these lower level infractions like oh this cars been here 3 days instead of 2. 00:30:37
I don't want them trying to spend all their time focusing on that when there's bigger fish to fry. 00:30:43
And so I do think we should. 00:30:48
Support additional code enforcement efforts. 00:30:50
And. 00:30:53
Fund a couple positions that can help us. 00:30:54
Really have a. 00:30:58
A nuanced. 00:31:00
Parking. 00:31:01
Policy where, where we're enforcing our codes, like if you know, if you're there. 00:31:02
And you have an extra day where you have a car there for three days as opposed to two. 00:31:07
It'd be nice to be able to give warnings in those situations and say hey. 00:31:13
Just so you know, here's the rules. 00:31:17
Like, oh, you're, you actually live here. This isn't a big deal. This isn't like somebody's. 00:31:19
Leaving a car. Abandoning a car. 00:31:23
But it is technically a violation of the current codes that we have in place. 00:31:26
So I want to make sure we have. 00:31:30
Whatever resources we need to to adequately address those issues and start with. 00:31:32
With a. 00:31:36
Non serious offense so we can start with warnings. 00:31:38
We can escalate those up. 00:31:41
For actual fines for repeat offenders. 00:31:42
And I think that'll be the best way to manage this in the long term. 00:31:45
Not just for this area, but across all the different parking. 00:31:49
Restrictions that we'll look at. And so I just want to 2nd that that that effort and hope we continue to work on that. 00:31:51
But I think this is a great first step into. 00:31:57
Into solving this problem. 00:31:59
Awesome. Thank you. 00:32:01
Mayor, if you mind. 00:32:03
Yes, please, yes. 00:32:04
Expectations. 00:32:07
Will meet what will actually happen on the streets for us. So we don't have an understanding. So I have an understanding of what 00:32:09
you guys expect the current model for. For parking complaints, generally speaking, they come to the city, they go to Maria and 00:32:14
then she forwards those to us and then we have the guys go out and take a look at it. 00:32:19
So most of the the parking is done on like a complaint basis, so if residents notice the car has been parked there for too long. 00:32:25
Will go out. We already take a fairly non. 00:32:32
Are a pretty easy relaxed reproach generally speaking. So if we get a call, hey, this car's been here for a week, we'll go out, 00:32:35
run the plates, try to find the owner. If we can't, then we'll put a sticker on it and give it another 48 hour notice. So there is 00:32:40
adequate notice there. 00:32:45
Generously, we're not going to just tow it, you know, like we're not gonna do any of that or even ticket it right up front. 00:32:50
But as. 00:32:56
Council member Nair mentioned we are busy. We have other things that we do with the guys. 00:32:57
Telling them to be to be meter maids is not why they became cops. 00:33:01
But obviously they're OK, we can. 00:33:06
I can let them know to keep an eye out for card. It looks like they've been there for a long time and broke down cars. 00:33:09
I just want to make sure that that the expectations meet the reality of what's going to happen. So code enforcement right now is 00:33:15
not issuing fines for parking they don't have. 00:33:19
Really any ability to do so, they would refer that to us to handle that so. 00:33:23
Cool. Thank you. 00:33:27
Eric was just like to. 00:33:30
As well. 00:33:31
The statement was made about. 00:33:33
Removing signage along 300 W. 00:33:35
I just want to make sure that we're clear on what that is and what it isn't. 00:33:38
And just ask for a point of clarification. 00:33:42
At the South end of 300 W there have been some spots reserved for fire. 00:33:44
Fighter Staff. 00:33:50
Are is the intent to pull those signs down as well? 00:33:52
Oh, on the South side. 00:33:56
No, no, just. 00:33:57
So South, so right north of 300 of Center St. and S Center St. there's some parking right there on 300 W that we've created. 00:34:01
Are we going to like those ones have no overnight parking and some of it's designed for some of the firefighters. Are you 00:34:07
including? 00:34:10
Obviously the firefighters, I would assume you're not going to get those down, but the other overnight parking, are you going to 00:34:13
remove those or leave those ones? 00:34:16
When we initially put those up, we get a lot of people coming down there at the end of Center St. 00:34:20
And right there by the lake. 00:34:25
And we were getting a lot of traffic there, so we created those other those other parking stalls and the residents were concerned 00:34:27
of. 00:34:30
Of Too much, too many, too much parking right there in that cul-de-sac area. So. 00:34:34
And then my other question maybe Eric will ask is? 00:34:38
By the clubhouse there were also some no overnight parking that we left there. 00:34:42
Aside from the other ones that was designed specifically for because that's the only access to the lake to the trail right there. 00:34:46
So for clarity, 3 stalls. 00:34:52
I can't remember how. What do you mean all the access when you say only access? 00:34:55
It goes right by the by the swimming pool area that's. 00:34:58
On the long 300 W. 00:35:03
All of that neighborhood obviously is a public. 00:35:05
Private development. 00:35:07
The access right to the trail right is right. Well, they can park anywhere along 300 watts during the day. No I'm not, I'm just 00:35:09
asking. 00:35:12
For clarity for when they, yeah, so those signs are which ones are they taking? Yeah, So those ones and it comes to emergency, 00:35:15
we're not removing the emergency, just everything but the emergency parking signs. 00:35:20
Anything and then the fire. To be clear, the fire. 00:35:27
Clear down on the South side, yeah. 00:35:30
Keeping those. 00:35:32
Awesome. 00:35:34
All right. So with those amendments when we make the motion? 00:35:36
Do you want me to make a motion with those? 00:35:39
Yeah, let's do that. 00:35:41
OK, I also too. 00:35:42
For clarification so I know what I'm amending on the resolution. 00:35:46
Just in your motion, if you could include what those? 00:35:51
Yeah, I moved to adopt resolution 2026-03. 00:35:54
And amending it. 00:36:00
To not take the. 00:36:02
Fire. 00:36:04
Stations on the South side of 300 W. 00:36:05
South of Center St. 00:36:08
And also keeping the. 00:36:10
Other lanes that are. 00:36:13
Right by the. 00:36:15
Was that the swimming pool? The access points? 00:36:17
Reserved for public use, there's. 00:36:20
For there. 00:36:23
Or 9. 00:36:25
As amended. 00:36:26
OK, I'll second that. 00:36:28
Awesome. All in favor. 00:36:30
Aye. 00:36:33
Resolution OK. 00:36:36
Yes, absolutely, yeah. 00:36:36
OK, Councilman there. 00:36:39
Aye, aye. 00:36:40
I hold away. I. 00:36:42
Awesome. Thank you. 00:36:46
All righty, we will now jump down to. 00:36:49
Item number 5.2. 00:36:51
Overnight parking permit area on 100 W and 470 N. 00:36:53
The Springs resolution. 00:36:58
20262. 00:37:00
Turn it over to Councilman Wood to lead out this discussion. 00:37:02
See if I can connect this. 00:37:07
Might need your help Tony. 00:37:09
Is that working? 00:37:19
Oh, Freedom Prep. 00:37:23
Is it popping up on your screen with the the? 00:37:29
See. It's right here. Yeah. 00:37:43
Oh sweet. 00:37:54
OK, awesome. 00:38:00
OK, so overnight parking permit area of the springs? 00:38:04
So the goal is to remove the city parking pass. 00:38:09
Causing harm to residents who live here. 00:38:12
So this is the location, just for reference. It's right by Freedom Prep Elementary, you see this road. 00:38:14
It's one mouse on the screen, it's just this road, 100 W and then four. 00:38:20
70 N. 00:38:23
So currently there is a overnight restriction on parking. 00:38:25
You have to pay the city. Get a parking pass to park. 00:38:29
Along this. 00:38:32
In this road right here. 00:38:34
On both sides, yes. 00:38:37
So this photo, this is more of a. 00:38:38
Example you can see. 00:38:40
So this slide shows exactly what we're. 00:38:43
So this is a. 00:38:46
Res. 00:38:47
Not a commercial. 00:38:49
A corridor or not A high traffic commuters. 00:38:50
Commuter rub. 00:38:53
These are This is just a normal residential suite. 00:38:54
St. requires the City Park has to park on both sides. 00:38:57
The signage is very small. 00:39:02
So like I said, the issue is, and I took this photo no joke yesterday morning. So this guy parked. This guy like actually moved a 00:39:08
vineyard. He parked right in front of his house. 00:39:12
And was booted the next morning because he didn't have the city parking pass. 00:39:17
He had no idea he had to get one. 00:39:21
So this. 00:39:24
Rule we have right now. 00:39:26
Applies directly in front of residential housing. 00:39:27
The boot right now is $75. 00:39:31
As I said, the signage is very small. 00:39:33
For visitors to be able to park over here, they have to pay $25 per night. They have to upload the driver's license as well. 00:39:35
For people who do do live here, they have to upload their lease proof they live there and also the driver's license just to park. 00:39:43
Right in front of their. 00:39:51
House. 00:39:52
So my solution is pretty simple. 00:39:58
Let people park in front of their house, don't charge them a fee. 00:40:00
And, you know, I'm not quite sure what, what this was solving. It's creating more issues, you know, over the campaign trail. 00:40:05
Talking to folks over there. 00:40:11
I mean, I mean, so I met so many people, renters. 00:40:13
Older people who you know. 00:40:17
Are in a position to own a home who are affected by this and they're shocked by it. 00:40:19
Waking up in the morning and, you know, finding their car private in front of their house. 00:40:23
Booted or towed. So solution is pretty simple. 00:40:27
Let People Park Removed a city parking pass. 00:40:30
Don't charge them. 00:40:32
I'll open it up for discussion or if you have any questions. Awesome. 00:40:34
Let's did we start on. 00:40:38
I think it's Ezra. You're. 00:40:40
Europe, Yeah, I'd like to jump in. 00:40:41
So this one I actually have a little bit of a different philosophy on. 00:40:43
Given that this these are single family homes so. 00:40:48
The problem that we experienced here is. 00:40:52
That. 00:40:55
People were coming from other neighborhoods to park in front of these single family homes. 00:40:56
So before I was in this stage of life where I was living in high density. 00:41:00
I've fortunate enough to own a single family home in Vineyard. 00:41:04
And. 00:41:07
It's super frustrating to have. 00:41:08
Strangers just park in front of your house just because that's. 00:41:10
That's available parking. 00:41:13
And so the residents here actually. 00:41:14
75% of them signed on to a petition to implement these restrictions. 00:41:17
Now, uh. 00:41:23
There's there's a couple issues that I want to deal with here, one for for the booting. So right now we contract out. 00:41:23
All of our booting, so we just have a service that comes through. 00:41:29
They see if there's a parking pass, if not, they put a boot on there. 00:41:32
I don't want to go that route, and that's kind of what I was talking about more with the. 00:41:35
With the code enforcement side. 00:41:39
Is. 00:41:41
Eventually bringing that in house, I think next budget year would be a great. 00:41:42
Opportunity to hire some of those people that that. 00:41:45
Could serve that meter made role. 00:41:48
So that we could. 00:41:49
Have. 00:41:51
A level of enforcement where people are able to say. 00:41:53
Hey I live here, I just want to park in here. 00:41:55
For the night, no big deal, but to have people coming from outside your neighborhood and parking in front of your house? 00:41:58
Night after night. 00:42:04
Is something I want to avoid happening here and so if we were just. 00:42:05
Lift all these restrictions. 00:42:09
I think these residents would find that. 00:42:11
They're back in that situation where people are just coming in, parking in front of their house and. 00:42:14
It's really frustrating. It blocks visibility. Your kids are trying to play in the street. It's. 00:42:18
It's a difficult situation there. 00:42:22
And so that's just the. 00:42:24
One point of this issue. 00:42:26
Where I see it as different from the. 00:42:28
Just opening up available parking next to high density that people just need for. 00:42:30
For the regular use versus. 00:42:34
A community that came together and said we. 00:42:36
We need to do something here, otherwise people are just lining the street all the time. 00:42:39
At all hours throughout the day. 00:42:42
So that's a good point, but I'm wondering where do the folks who are? 00:42:44
Who are not? 00:42:48
The owners or renters of their homes there, where are they coming from? They're parking. 00:42:49
Can I drop on this? There's no evidence that random people are parking in this neighborhood. The people are parking on this road 00:42:54
live. 00:42:57
There, yeah, not anymore before the. 00:43:00
Which is why we're situations where. 00:43:03
Yeah, before the situation, the parking program was implemented. 00:43:06
It was a rare occurrence there would be. 00:43:09
Tons of people parking on this road. 00:43:11
I don't off the top of my head, but that. 00:43:15
That's the. 00:43:17
And that's that's what I recall when this was brought into place. 00:43:18
That was the problem we were trying to solve. 00:43:23
I think it was a little too heavy-handed and we do have situations where new movements, they don't know the restrictions. 00:43:25
But I fear that if we just. 00:43:31
Open this back up without. 00:43:33
Any sort of? 00:43:35
Any sort of effort to. 00:43:38
Keep that problem that we originally solved there in place. 00:43:40
We'll just 'cause that to. 00:43:44
Come back. So I heard this in an argument 300 W If we open it up, we're going to have. 00:43:46
People park on there from other neighborhoods to spin over. Yeah, I disagree with that. For 300 WI, think 300 W, There's no 00:43:50
difference. Different situation. This is a road right in front of where people live. 00:43:55
People who are parking there live there. There are. 00:44:00
Other people from other neighborhoods parking. 00:44:03
There same at 300 was for eight months. 00:44:05
People parking there live there. 00:44:08
Thank you. Yeah, I think. 00:44:10
Sorry, I just think single family homes are are different than the higher density housing gets worse and you have a house and you 00:44:11
can't park for your house. I think it's worse actually. 00:44:15
Yes, so that. 00:44:20
Again, I I want people to be able to park in front of their own house without having other people park in front of their own house 00:44:21
generally. 00:44:25
I know it's it's public infrastructure, so that's hard to manage, but. 00:44:29
I experienced this as well in in other single family neighborhoods I heard this a lot from. 00:44:33
From those single family homeowners on the campaign trail that. 00:44:37
We're sick of people. 00:44:40
Coming in, renting out like over renting their their neighborhoods. Like if you drive through the cheminat, that's a great example 00:44:42
of an area where there's no parking restrictions on those roads. 00:44:46
And there's six or seven cars parked in front of. 00:44:51
Houses that are being rented to. 00:44:53
To multiple people where you'd have. 00:44:55
You know what could be a great? 00:44:57
Single family home. 00:44:59
Single family. 00:45:01
Number of vehicles. 00:45:02
But there's just a lot more parking, a lot more. 00:45:05
Road issues were the roads are just constantly lined with with cars compared to. 00:45:08
Areas that have some of those restrictions. Mayor, if I could offer just a little perspective on this. Yeah, so. 00:45:12
There's a couple ways that we've handled parking in the past 300 W obviously that was a city initiated permit program. The city is 00:45:18
the one that came in and initiated the signs and the permits and everything. The other two ways that we handle parking in 00:45:23
Vineyard. 00:45:27
Right now, by the policy that we have is if a neighborhood wants to do something about parking on public streets, not private 00:45:32
streets, public streets. 00:45:36
They can come in and petition the city. 00:45:40
If they get 75% of their resident of the people in owners in that. 00:45:42
Neighborhood they could do one of two things they can do it. They did in our in the the Villas, which is put a sign up of no 00:45:46
overnight parking period. 00:45:50
Which is what the Villas currently has. They don't allow any overnight parking. 00:45:54
On their streets. 00:45:58
And that is regulated by the Sheriff's Office. We're the ones that enforce that. The other option is what Cascade and this 00:45:59
neighborhood have done, which is no overnight parking unless you have a permit. 00:46:04
That permit process. 00:46:10
Has changed it. 00:46:11
Recently. 00:46:12
It used to be you just got like one per household, now you can get multiple. 00:46:13
And those are. 00:46:18
Both of those. 00:46:20
Our resident initiated, the city did not come in and initiate this. The residents of that neighborhood came in and initiated this. 00:46:21
So my only thing I would say is. 00:46:26
If we intend to remove that, are we going to remove that ability for a neighborhood to be able to put in those signs and regulate 00:46:31
their parking because Cascade has the exact same? 00:46:36
Set up as this neighborhood right here, they both were resident initiated. 00:46:41
If you don't have a permit, you get booted and. 00:46:44
They're both. We have a contract with this. 00:46:47
Between the city and the tow company to do that for us. 00:46:50
I don't believe the casket has a city parking permit. 00:46:54
Are the not cascade Providence? Sorry Providence. Providence is this is the springs in HOA. 00:46:56
No. 00:47:02
They're not in a Troy. 00:47:02
Yeah, but this, so you, you have the springs, you have the internal streets to the north of this are all private. 00:47:03
And the springs, they handled that through their HOA. 00:47:10
Separately from these two streets right here are the only ones around there that aren't part of that. 00:47:14
Their their public roads instead of private so. 00:47:19
I'm not saying we shouldn't remove the signs, I'm just saying that. 00:47:22
The residents there at the time this was initiated. 00:47:25
They requested it. 00:47:28
Sure, sure. 00:47:29
David, would you like to speak to this? 00:47:31
Yeah. So Ezra, were you managing? 00:47:35
Back then, did you? Did you? 00:47:37
Were you Privy to the arguments went back and forth and the history of that? 00:47:39
What year was that do you recall? 00:47:43
I wasn't involved in this particular discussions on this. 00:47:49
I think I thought he was just taking care of it as one of you had. 00:47:54
You could add. 00:47:56
Germane to this we really helpful. 00:47:58
So that's the case. 00:48:00
You know if we have. 00:48:02
So I guess. 00:48:04
We did it to solve a problem. It was it was resident initiated at the time. 00:48:06
I'm wondering what the problem was you're trying to solve. I mean right now, obviously now that the restriction is a little too. 00:48:10
Too strict. 00:48:15
I can speak to that as well if you want me to. David, please do. Yeah, OK. 00:48:16
We did have a lot of issues with with people parking along that they didn't live in the neighborhood. 00:48:20
Or extended periods of time like trailers and construction vehicles parking there and these residents. 00:48:25
They couldn't, similar to what's happening in like the Shaman on you got a lot of people parking there, so people can't even park 00:48:31
in their neighborhood. Providence. The issue they were having is Tucker Rowe and the locks. They were coming and parking within 00:48:36
Providence so people couldn't park in front of their own home. And so that's why they initiated it. 00:48:42
They were having similar issues on this in this neighborhood as well, so they don't have, maybe not anymore. 00:48:47
But they were having those. 00:48:52
So the springs had people from Tucker Row and others coming down and parking there is what you're saying? Not from Tucker Row. The 00:48:54
springs would have had people coming from the private roads to the north. 00:48:58
OK, coming in these two public roads. 00:49:02
And then we've had, we've had multiple calls there for trucks and trailers parking along that road that we've had to go out on. 00:49:06
And things like that in the past. 00:49:13
But that would still one other city pass didn't prevent the. 00:49:15
But that would. 00:49:19
That would still apply like if someone was doing a trailer, I mean, and it was there for two or three days you'd. 00:49:19
You and got a call you'd go and do that still right Yeah. If something's been 48 hours 48 hours without without moving without and 00:49:24
you also can't have. 00:49:28
Like an RV or a boat or anything like that on the road. That's a little bit different circumstances there. But yeah, you can't 00:49:33
park for more than 48 hours. But we were having issues that that that neighbor was having similar issues that the. 00:49:39
Providence was having where outside people were parking so they couldn't and they were, they were all so concerned with some 00:49:45
safety concerns with the school there of people lining the road on the opposite side of the homes. 00:49:51
And so that's. 00:49:57
That's why they implemented it. 00:49:58
Yeah, I'm not saying that. 00:50:00
And that was several years ago. 00:50:01
If we took, we're going to go out and talk to the residents, maybe 75% don't want that anymore. 00:50:03
My, my. Do you have anything else discussions happening I wanted to happen? 00:50:08
Awesome. Do you have anything you'd like to? 00:50:14
My concern is. 00:50:18
The vast majority of property of. 00:50:20
Publicly owned. 00:50:22
Streets, especially to the South where there's more density. 00:50:23
The citizens pay the same taxes. 00:50:27
And in my road and everyone, we all get to park on our roads. 00:50:29
And like. 00:50:33
These are publicly owned streets, and we're like, hey. 00:50:34
Were denying citizens the ability to use. 00:50:37
You know to use the road. 00:50:41
I think that. 00:50:43
The world is different with. 00:50:44
Tucker Rowe getting all of those parking spots on Vineyard Loop Rd. on the. 00:50:46
East Side. 00:50:51
Of Main Street and then also. 00:50:53
The loop, the parking on the loop Rd. on the West and then 300 W so I'm hoping that. 00:50:55
Other communities have enough parking that they wouldn't be coming over to the Springs here. 00:51:01
But I have no problem voting and supporting this. 00:51:07
And seeing, you know, two years ago, because on the campaign trail, this was so. 00:51:10
People fought for this, they wanted it so. 00:51:15
I would rather go with it and hear. 00:51:19
The backlash if they were to come and do a petition again. 00:51:22
Because if I owned a house there and I couldn't park in front of my house, I would be. 00:51:26
How? How can other people vote that away from me? 00:51:30
As a taxpayer, like, how do we have that? So yeah, inconsistency. 00:51:34
So Jacob would tell us about the input you you had people asking about this. Tell us more about that if you would input from the 00:51:39
specific areas, Yeah, no. So on a campaign show, I knocked. 00:51:44
A lot of doors. 00:51:49
In this particular area. 00:51:51
A lot of younger people live there. Like I said, older people live there and I didn't see. 00:51:52
Hear from one person that was in favor of the city parking pass. 00:51:56
The problem with the city parking pass, The biggest problem is education. 00:51:59
A lot of people don't even know. 00:52:03
It was there. 00:52:04
Like I said, that guy who just moved in. 00:52:05
The other day he had no idea. 00:52:08
So that's the biggest problem is education. 00:52:10
But. 00:52:12
It's just a fact that. 00:52:13
It's not solving any problems, it's creating more problems the people who are parking there. 00:52:15
Live there, there's no evidence. 00:52:20
That there's random people parking. 00:52:22
We're just talking about this road. 00:52:24
On this road, they don't live there. 00:52:26
Park, forgive me as I'm dying over here. So Parker, Parker is going to die. So we'll go back to Ezra. 00:52:30
Yeah. No, I mean, I think. 00:52:38
Like getting 75% of people to agree on anything is what is a tall order. 00:52:39
And again, I told you, I don't recall something about, I think, 2023. 00:52:45
And. 00:52:50
Yeah, my my hope. 00:52:52
So I just want to reiterate, like I am supportive of people parking in front of their own homes. I want to make sure people have 00:52:55
that opportunity. 00:52:59
And if there are other people in parking in front of your house, you don't have that opportunity. 00:53:02
I think the enforcement. 00:53:07
Doesn't make I mean the enforcement. 00:53:09
Is not. 00:53:11
My choice of enforcement, I think the. 00:53:13
Is. 00:53:15
Overburdensome. 00:53:16
And it punishes people who have these one time mistakes. 00:53:18
And again, that's, that's something that's currently contracted that I would love to to stop contracting for. 00:53:21
But we're going to need more than just our Sheriff's Office to. 00:53:26
To enforce that, I would love to have some people that have some authority from the Sheriff's Office. 00:53:30
That, uh. 00:53:34
Are in house that could enforce that. 00:53:35
And make sure we can balance that. 00:53:39
We're allowing people to park in front of their own homes to have that space during the day Where? 00:53:41
Where they've. 00:53:46
You know, don't have random cars. 00:53:47
Near their homes, and I think that that is a really big problem. 00:53:49
And especially to just to kind of note. 00:53:53
Not getting rid of this for the. 00:53:56
The whole city. 00:53:58
I want people to be able to have easier access to that, because the problem we have right now in Lechem Anat. 00:54:00
Is there's not enough homeowners that live there? 00:54:05
To be able to get 75% because the renters, they all want it. 00:54:08
All the renters want to just be able to park anywhere they. 00:54:11
Anywhere they can find a space and and not have to worry about that. It's it's the single family homeowners, the families that are 00:54:13
living there. 00:54:17
That are feeling the impacts of. 00:54:20
This. 00:54:23
Multi like 6 car. 00:54:24
Per household lifestyle. And so it's a similar thing that I feel like happened here. 00:54:26
I would. 00:54:31
Love to get. 00:54:31
More input from the community as much as. 00:54:32
Because I mean, I, I knocked a lot of doors on the campaign trail as well. And this was something that people said. 00:54:35
I'm moving out of Vineyard because I can't park in front of my house or because the stranger is parking in front of my house every 00:54:40
single night. 00:54:43
And the people that don't use the. 00:54:47
Parking space like if you have. 00:54:48
You know two cars and you can fit both of your cars in the garage. The only time you're gonna really need that space is when you 00:54:50
have visitors. 00:54:53
But people that have six cars, they can park there every single night because they know. 00:54:56
Hey, when I come home from work. 00:55:00
6/7, 8:00. 00:55:02
That space is going to be open because. 00:55:03
My visitors can no longer. 00:55:05
Like there's no visitors there at the time. 00:55:07
But then that that's where you see those problems compound where? 00:55:09
You don't have the space for visitors you don't have the space for. 00:55:12
Your own personal use and I think that's that's why this came into play. 00:55:15
And I think there's ways to find common ground here where we're. 00:55:19
Getting rid of the onerous enforcement of the booting. 00:55:23
That just happens every night. 00:55:26
The company comes through, they boot whoever they see. 00:55:28
This is completely different from the Sheriff's Office enforcement. 00:55:30
That that takes a more relaxed and educated approach to saying hey. 00:55:33
We notice you're parked here. 00:55:36
Let's try to find the owner. 00:55:38
The booting company, they just come through and they say, OK, how much money can I make tonight, Let's put the boots on and then 00:55:39
they leave. It's no longer their problem. 00:55:42
So I really don't like that. 00:55:45
And again, I think if we. 00:55:48
If we. 00:55:50
Have some sort of ability for for. 00:55:51
Homeowners to have control over. 00:55:54
What's happening right in front of their homes? 00:55:56
When we're all stacked on top of each other in this city. 00:55:58
Like Holdaway Rd. it's it's great they have way more space out there. 00:56:00
But in these higher dense areas, I mean you look at the houses there, they're single family homes, but. 00:56:05
6 to 10 feet between each house this is. 00:56:10
People. 00:56:12
Parked on top of each other, people stacked on top of each other. I think it's it's helpful to have some of these regulations, but 00:56:13
it's important that we try to. 00:56:16
Find a right balance between. 00:56:20
Letting people just. 00:56:22
Run rampant. 00:56:23
However they want. 00:56:25
And just doing a first come, first serve basis which the homeowners aren't going to have an opportunity to do unless they. 00:56:26
Intentionally park their cars in front of the street just so. 00:56:31
People don't park in front of their homes, which I've seen happen as well. 00:56:34
And areas like the shamanic. 00:56:37
So those are just my thoughts. That's what I'm hoping to address. May I? 00:56:39
Yeah. Are you? 00:56:44
I'm ready. 00:56:45
Locked and loaded. Yeah, I got all these. 00:56:46
Captain OK. 00:56:49
I am. It is no secret to anyone in this room that I am a huge proponent. 00:56:51
Of decentralization. 00:56:56
In pretty much every facet. 00:56:57
Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely, and the problem with government is that the more you get involved in it, 00:57:01
the more you think it's the solution to everything. 00:57:04
I think the very simple answer here is that we already have parking pass infrastructure in place. Why can we not give it? 00:57:09
For free. 00:57:15
To the residents in the neighborhood. 00:57:17
Allowing them to park in front of their homes. 00:57:18
And still in force. 00:57:21
Against people who are. 00:57:23
Parking in that neighborhood. 00:57:24
That don't live there. 00:57:26
If they're taking up that space. 00:57:27
We already have the infrastructure. 00:57:30
We don't have to sell it to them. 00:57:33
We could just let them park there for free. 00:57:36
With their pass. 00:57:38
Make it like a sub HOA type thing. 00:57:40
There's 25, there's. 00:57:43
25 houses on that loop if I'm counting correctly, 26 if you want to use the corner run. 00:57:45
So what you're saying is is like. 00:57:50
Give them each two passes. 00:57:52
And it's. 00:57:54
Keep the boot thing shut down, but now? 00:57:55
Sure, give me two and a visitor. 00:57:59
Two like think about it. 00:58:00
They can park in their driveway in the garage. 00:58:02
And there's one space. Objectively speaking, you look at that map, 1 space in front of every house. 00:58:05
Right, and there's. 00:58:10
Arguably then, one space on the opposite side of the street. I think 2 is overkill even. 00:58:11
Just let those residents have a. 00:58:17
Visitor pass or a pass for them? 00:58:19
On an as needed basis, let that neighborhood manage it. 00:58:21
You just have to find a volunteer in that neighborhood to manage it. 00:58:25
It's not an HOA. If I may. I know it's not an HOA. Sorry I keep talking. 00:58:29
Parker The way that this works, so university parking enforcement is the one that we contract with. 00:58:34
And you download an app on your phone. 00:58:39
And then you can purchase, you can have more than one pass, and then you just have to enter in the plate number to whatever 00:58:42
vehicle you're parking on the street that night. It doesn't have to be, It's not a hanging pass. It's a virtual pass on your phone 00:58:45
through an app. 00:58:49
And I think we I. 00:58:54
Cash handsy we would would be the better person. 00:58:56
To speak to the how many passes, but I think they can have two or three per household. There is a cost associated with them. I 00:58:59
can't remember the exact dollar amount. 00:59:03
Some of that cost is a pass through though because university parking enforcement. 00:59:07
Charges the city I believe. 00:59:11
For each permit. 00:59:13
Just to run the app, yeah. 00:59:14
But other than that, that's the only fee. 00:59:15
So, umm. 00:59:18
Gotcha, that's the way it's currently working. 00:59:19
Councilmember Wood, I'm happy to go out and look at signage. If the signage isn't up to what state code is, I'm happy to go look 00:59:23
at that and make sure that it's adequate. I haven't. 00:59:26
Personally driven on those two streets for for a little bit so I can go look at that and if we, if you decide to keep it, I can go 00:59:30
make sure that the signage is. 00:59:34
In accordance with the law. 00:59:38
So so I I knocked I think every door in that neighborhood. 00:59:39
While we were campaigning too. 00:59:44
And the most common complaint there? 00:59:46
Was the parking pass but the the complaint? 00:59:48
That I was picking up on specifically was that it was. 00:59:50
Them having to pay for it when it's right in front of their own house. 00:59:53
So I'm trying to figure how can we alleviate that root problem. 00:59:57
Let them park there. We shouldn't charge them for it. We shouldn't be burdening for that, but we can still have a protection as 01:00:00
the city. 01:00:03
To make sure that maybe they're. 01:00:06
Not being taken advantage of by other neighborhoods. So when it comes to the people, like other people parking their neighborhood. 01:00:09
This doesn't. The parking pass doesn't stop that, it just monetizes it. 01:00:14
Like I can still get a parking pass and park in front. 01:00:18
One of those houses I just have to. 01:00:21
Essentially pay the city to do that. 01:00:22
Yeah, so it doesn't. 01:00:24
It's not preventing. 01:00:26
People from well, my argument would be that we don't. 01:00:27
Don't sell that. 01:00:30
You just can't get a parking pass to park there if you don't live in that neighborhood. You have to prove your ownership of a home 01:00:31
to get one of those. That's correct. But that's what I'm saying is then it can't be monetized by somebody else coming in and 01:00:34
buying it. 01:00:38
But again, what problem are we solving? 01:00:42
We're solving not allowing people to other random people to Parker for another. I just don't think that's actually happened. 01:00:45
Talking on the ground, that's not happening. 01:00:51
Now it is happening in the Hamptons and other areas, but this particular Rd. 01:00:53
Who would be parking there? 01:00:59
I think the reason. 01:01:01
To Ezras point earlier that it's not happening is because there is enforcement there now. 01:01:02
Like that's probably the street that gets the most. 01:01:07
Tickets and boots other than 300 W. 01:01:11
Yeah, just because it's because of the confusing policy. 01:01:14
And those people were being booted. 01:01:17
Like on 300 W. 01:01:19
Live there. 01:01:21
Like 90% of them. 01:01:23
Yeah, yeah. 01:01:24
Where I'm at kind of all this, I think that. 01:01:26
I There's nothing that has not been said that I disagree with. 01:01:28
The only thing I would add is I think that this is. 01:01:33
A bigger problem than just right here. I mean I. 01:01:36
I've been on the phone all morning with members, residents in the Cottonwoods and there that the problem starting to flare up 01:01:40
there I. 01:01:43
I think that my neighborhood the. 01:01:47
Sycamores is going to be next and so I think that. 01:01:50
How we want to. 01:01:54
Help. 01:01:57
In the situation is. 01:01:58
Is important how to? 01:01:59
Because I'm I'm getting that. 01:02:01
Even it's starting to happen more in the South and the town of town as well, so. 01:02:02
You know, I think the suggestion that was made that have the HOA or the local. 01:02:09
Neighborhood, take care of it. It's really a good one, yeah. 01:02:13
And finding a volunteer. 01:02:15
It'll it'll work that at first. I suppose first they need to organize as a neighborhood. 01:02:17
In some way it would be a neighborhood wash, whatever they organized. 01:02:21
Some organizations would allow them to be able to function. 01:02:25
In a way that would. 01:02:28
Help. If they can decide how they want to work in a neighborhood, it would be a. 01:02:29
A good idea? 01:02:34
Jacob is this Is this an Is this springs an HOA? 01:02:35
OK. I think that's where the problem kind of flaring up is like the sycamores were not an HOA, Cottonwoods not an HOA. 01:02:37
It's the same problem. I mean, the springs comes in two parts too. There's a part north and there's a part next that surrounds the 01:02:45
school. 01:02:48
Yeah, and they and they have different. 01:02:51
Parking problems in each of those areas. 01:02:54
Yeah. So we would need to almost do it by a neighborhood basis, not even an HOA, but a sub HOA area. 01:02:56
Yeah, something like that. So. 01:03:01
We could. We could. 01:03:04
Do that like. 01:03:05
Having you know. 01:03:06
I don't mind supporting it this evening I'm. 01:03:08
In opening it up. 01:03:10
Especially with. 01:03:12
All the parking that we've added in other areas, I don't think. 01:03:13
I think other areas have solved their problems but. 01:03:17
I think it would be wise. 01:03:20
To there's 26 houses let's go find could someone be the voice and identify who that. 01:03:21
Voice of that. 01:03:27
Road is. 01:03:28
Finding unique solution for them if that's there, but I would. 01:03:30
I would rather have it be opened up. 01:03:34
And then when the problem comes back. 01:03:35
Then have a morganized. 01:03:38
Have them organize at that point. 01:03:40
I generally agree with that. I would rather. 01:03:42
Decentralize everything, remove the parking pass, not have the burden, remove the signage and then if there is a problem, have 01:03:45
that. 01:03:48
Be the solution in back pocket perhaps? 01:03:52
Yeah. And just say, OK, now did this. 01:03:54
Spring of having more parking, Did it spring a problem and if it did. 01:03:56
Great, let's have one person come back and speak for you now. 01:04:00
Because we've added. 01:04:05
Much parking with 300 WI think that's where the problem was coming from and the city has a traffic calming policy that allows for 01:04:07
that for anything to happen it doesn't have. 01:04:11
And I think parking could be lumped in with. 01:04:15
Traffic calming. 01:04:17
Right. It's all basically the same kind of thing. So there's a mechanism already in place to allow for that. 01:04:18
Mayor, if I could, yes please, if you if you would like. 01:04:25
Our planning department works on parking issues across the city. It would be a very easy. 01:04:29
Survey to deliver out to 25. 01:04:35
Homes and give them. 01:04:38
Two or three options as far as a solution going forward. 01:04:41
Some of the things that have been discussed tonight. 01:04:45
And bring back a response. 01:04:47
In the form of. 01:04:50
Data for you to consider and. 01:04:51
Approve a path going forward with that. 01:04:54
In hand. 01:04:56
And the survey would be, we're going to ask the homes along. 01:04:56
470 N. 01:04:59
And then 100 W. 01:05:01
Correct. 01:05:03
What? 01:05:06
The home, the homeowners of. 01:05:07
Those two. 01:05:10
So that's another question. How many of those are rentals? 01:05:11
Well, I think that that would be doesn't matter. Through our utility billing, we can get through to the. 01:05:14
Owners of those, yeah. 01:05:19
Because we just we build utilities go straight to the homeowners now, right, OK. 01:05:20
Yeah, but then. 01:05:24
But if half of them live out of town. 01:05:26
Well, that's where, yeah, that's where you're going to have the problems, where all the people that. 01:05:29
Have four or five people living there are going to. 01:05:33
Say, Oh yeah, no, open up the parking for everyone. The homeowner still has an incentive to. 01:05:36
Try and make the place as desirable as possible for the tenants. 01:05:42
We have a comment here. Do you have a comment? 01:05:47
Please. 01:05:50
Daria Evans, Vineyard resident I just texted a. 01:05:54
Homeowner in the Springs HOA. 01:05:59
And she answered me and said. 01:06:02
Now if I can get to it. 01:06:05
She said yes, the springs are still under water's edge. HOA. 01:06:09
Just so you know. 01:06:13
Yeah, this portion is not. 01:06:16
Well, her part is she's still part of it. 01:06:18
Yeah. Does she live on those roads? 01:06:21
There's an upper. 01:06:25
Well, she's just on the other side. 01:06:27
OK, well. 01:06:29
So yeah. 01:06:31
Thank you, thank you, thank you. You're. 01:06:32
Well, OK. 01:06:38
Let's do this. 01:06:44
We have a hard stop tonight. I needed to. 01:06:47
Bunch of have stuff we want to get going to. 01:06:50
How do we want to, how do we want to move forward on this? Can I make a motion? Yeah. 01:06:53
I'd like to motion to continue this. 01:06:56
Item 4. 01:06:59
Do you think 3 weeks would be enough time to get some of that data? 01:07:01
Get some input from the homeowners out there. 01:07:04
That way we can just have. 01:07:07
A discussion with a little more. 01:07:08
More data backing up. 01:07:10
Yeah. Can you, can you put in the survey? 01:07:11
Because I do surveys. 01:07:14
The city is considering opening up and removing the. 01:07:17
Parking permit, would you be in favor? 01:07:19
Of it. 01:07:22
And then have an open comment period. We would like like a paragraph. 01:07:22
Area where they can. 01:07:27
Opine put a lot of space in the survey spot. 01:07:29
So they can just open text. 01:07:33
You know their feedback. 01:07:35
And then would you be? 01:07:36
Supportive of it, Yes or no? 01:07:38
Is that the question we want to ask? 01:07:39
Do you want to write the survey yourself? 01:07:43
Jacob yes. 01:07:44
OK. All right, we'll develop that and. 01:07:46
Work. I'm OK with that motion and then. 01:07:48
We'll continue this. 01:07:50
To three weeks to vote, let's do 2 weeks, not three weeks the. 01:07:52
Well, I think it's three because it's. 01:07:55
It's either one week or three weeks, either one or three scheduled meeting. So just figuring we line up with one of those. 01:07:57
Yeah, K3. 01:08:02
Yeah, that works. 01:08:04
OK, second. 01:08:05
OK, all in favor. 01:08:07
Aye. 01:08:09
OK, awesome. Motion passes. 01:08:11
OK. That is all we've got for tonight. Thank you guys all for so much for coming and we will see you. 01:08:13
Next week in our regular scheduled. 01:08:18
City Council meeting. 01:08:20