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Do you want to like to stop? Do you want to wait for questions at the end? 00:03:19
Whatever, whatever he decides on for work. So yeah, I'd say if there's any initial questions that you guys have, feel free to. 00:03:23
Mention them now then I figure you can just ask questions as I go along as well. 00:03:29
Perfect. Sounds challenge, more just like a discussion. 00:03:35
But yeah, you guys have any initial questions? 00:03:38
I'm all good. So yeah, you're awesome, brother. Can we get started then? 00:03:43
Yeah. Thank you so much for your time. 00:03:47
I'm making time for this. I really appreciate it and it's great to both have. 00:03:50
Access to. 00:03:54
Share this information with everybody, just all at the same time. 00:03:55
So my name is Brian. I'm the parks and rec director for Vineyard City. 00:04:00
And. 00:04:04
I want to give. 00:04:06
Just some background information. 00:04:08
Sorry, give me a second. 00:04:12
OK. 00:04:31
So hopefully you can see this. 00:04:32
So just to give you a background on the Parks and Rec department. 00:04:35
It began in 2018. 00:04:39
I had the opportunity to be hired by Vineyard City. 00:04:42
To help jump start recreation. 00:04:45
Program and it's been an absolute blast to. 00:04:47
Get to know the community and. 00:04:51
What they're interested in and. 00:04:53
To work with. 00:04:55
A team to. 00:04:58
To build some programs. 00:04:59
And. 00:05:01
We combined with the parks team in 2023, so that's when. 00:05:04
I was moved from. 00:05:08
My position in recreation and. 00:05:10
Then became the Parks and Rec director. 00:05:12
So that's been awesome to correlate more with the parks team. 00:05:16
And just be more on the same page and. 00:05:19
Make sure that. 00:05:22
We don't have a lot of conflicting things. 00:05:23
In the city of Vineyard, we have six public parks. 00:05:27
Two of which are neighborhood pocket parks. 00:05:30
Just want to clarify that Vineyard beach that many people are familiar with that is not city owned and is county owned. 00:05:35
But we. 00:05:41
We are happy to maintain that as much as. 00:05:43
Possible to ensure that it's? 00:05:46
Friendly for the community. 00:05:49
That people enjoy being there so when you refer to opinion beach, you're talking about on the north side of town over there by 00:05:50
the. 00:05:53
Condos on the left, right, where all of us used to go burn pallets. 00:05:57
Back in the day, yeah. 00:06:01
That's on ours. That's the county. That is the county. 00:06:03
So. 00:06:06
Something was coming past. 00:06:08
Yes, and perhaps then our. 00:06:10
Parks manager, he'll get more into. 00:06:12
Parks and with his team. 00:06:15
And then we offer. 00:06:19
About 20 plus. 00:06:21
Recreation programs. 00:06:22
To the Vineyard community, and that ranges all from youth programs to seniors. 00:06:24
To adult programs, city races. 00:06:29
And our recreation manager, Zach Beatty will go into that a little bit later today as well. 00:06:32
Our department consists of eight full time employees. 00:06:38
One part time and a ton of seasonals. 00:06:42
And both President and Zach will give more of a rundown of their teams and kind of their qualifications. 00:06:45
But I just wanted to throw this out there just so that you're aware of kind of my. 00:06:54
I guess work in education history. 00:07:00
I got a bachelor's degree from. 00:07:03
Brigham Young University and Exercise and Wellness. 00:07:05
And then I got a Master of Public Administration from Suu. 00:07:07
With an emphasis in local government. 00:07:12
And then? 00:07:15
I have a few certifications just to help ensure that. 00:07:17
I'm in the know with. 00:07:20
The things that our team overseas and then. 00:07:22
Also. 00:07:24
To make sure that what we're offering is in line with what residents want and that we're offering them to safe. 00:07:25
And professional manner. 00:07:32
And so I have a I'm a certified as a park and recreation professional. 00:07:34
I have a aquatic facility operator certification. 00:07:38
And then I'm also certified as a playground safety. 00:07:43
Inspector. 00:07:47
This will show you. 00:07:54
Our department chain of command. 00:07:57
So, umm. 00:08:00
We have the recreation and parks manager that both report to me. 00:08:03
For the recreation manager, there's two full time recreation coordinators that report to him. 00:08:08
And then we have. 00:08:13
Way more than 20 seasonals. 00:08:14
But the those typically report. 00:08:17
They kind of share who overseas, those just depending on who's overseeing the program. 00:08:20
For the Parkside. 00:08:25
The parks manager, we have the parks crew lead that reports to him. 00:08:27
And then we have two full time parks techs. 00:08:31
And then one part time and. 00:08:34
Typically 2 seasonals that report to the parks group. 00:08:35
Here is some background information on revenues for our department. 00:08:44
So we have the wrap tax, which is the recreation and park tax. 00:08:48
It consists of .1% of. 00:08:53
Vineyard sales tax. 00:08:56
And this was passed in 2019. 00:08:57
With law. 00:09:00
Of a high percentage. 00:09:02
So I think that that shows a lot about. 00:09:04
The fact that the community values Parks and Recreation and this really is a resource that allows us to. 00:09:08
Continue to offer. 00:09:16
More facilities and recreation type amenities for the community. 00:09:18
Currently we have about $412,000 in our wrap tax fund. 00:09:22
We receive. 00:09:27
About $240,000 a year. 00:09:29
Through the wrap tax. 00:09:32
So about $20,000 a month. 00:09:34
And of that $240,000 a year? 00:09:36
Typically we allocate. 00:09:40
$20,000. 00:09:41
To the Arts Commission to give. 00:09:43
In a form of grant. 00:09:45
That allows for the recruitment of specific events or other recreation. 00:09:46
Embark type infrastructure to the city. 00:09:52
We also have Parks and Rec impact fee. We just completed a Parks and Rec master plan last year. 00:09:56
And so with that. 00:10:02
We were able to instill an impact fee, so essentially any incoming. 00:10:04
Umm, household to the city. 00:10:10
They will be required to pay. 00:10:12
The developer. 00:10:15
Will be required to pay the $3422.88. 00:10:16
And so that is a. 00:10:22
That is a great opportunity for. 00:10:24
Us to continue to expand our department. 00:10:26
And facilities that. 00:10:28
That we can offer. 00:10:30
Pertaining to the Parks and Rec impact fee. 00:10:33
I expect that we'll obtain about 100,000. 00:10:37
Before. 00:10:39
The end of this fiscal year. 00:10:40
And then have just under 2,000,000 by. 00:10:42
The end of 2029 just depending on. 00:10:45
Filled out at. 00:10:48
The speed of. 00:10:50
Of how that occurs. 00:10:51
Our projected revenues for this year for recreation program fees is 222,000. 00:10:53
For sponsorships or rentals. 00:11:00
Uh, we currently. 00:11:02
Our events team worked really hard and they had already brought in 46,000, so we've already. 00:11:03
Superseded that goal. 00:11:10
And we still have more that we're hoping to. 00:11:12
To recruit. 00:11:14
And then for rentals, which includes pavilion reservations facility. 00:11:16
Pavilion Reservation. 00:11:21
Bill and court reservation concessions. 00:11:23
There's about 20,000. 00:11:26
And then? 00:11:28
We have. 00:11:29
Five existing grants currently that we're working upon. 00:11:30
Implementing 3 various projects. 00:11:34
This is our overall expenditures as far as our operating budget. 00:11:37
So our parks team that makes up 8.2% of general fund expenditures. 00:11:41
And then the recreation team is 4.1%. 00:11:48
Are there any questions about anything I've covered? 00:11:55
So far. 00:11:57
Before I. 00:11:59
On from here. 00:12:00
I think I'm good. 00:12:02
Parker, Jimmy, thank you. 00:12:04
Anything from? Do you guys have anything? 00:12:06
The wrap tax. 00:12:11
Tell me a little bit more about the intent that the intent behind the wrapped taxi school St. to cover all all their parts 00:12:12
directly stuff altogether. 00:12:16
Other cities have used a lot of more of it to to give some foundations and things like that. 00:12:20
So what what? How's it usually used and? 00:12:25
Is R 20,000 an appropriate amount to give to? 00:12:27
Private entities to do things for the city. 00:12:31
Good question. So with the wrap tax. 00:12:34
There's a number of things that it can be used for. 00:12:38
Essentially we've only used about 20,000 per year to go towards the. 00:12:40
Harsh grants just because of. 00:12:45
Are I guess limitations that we have with? 00:12:47
Sources of revenue coming. 00:12:51
To the city specifically for Parks and Rec. 00:12:53
And so essentially the idea. 00:12:56
Is that those wrapped? 00:12:58
Funds would go towards capital projects. 00:13:00
So for example. 00:13:02
A skate park. 00:13:04
Maybe it's to build? 00:13:06
Pickleball courts. Maybe it's to go towards. 00:13:08
At this golf course. 00:13:12
So really any type of amenity is a great. 00:13:14
Use of that it can be used for operational type expenses. 00:13:16
And essentially the arch grant. 00:13:21
Allocation. That's up to City Council for what they recommend. 00:13:23
But 20,000 is just the number that has been agreed upon from. 00:13:27
City Council pastures. 00:13:32
Thank you. 00:13:33
Awesome. 00:13:34
Hey, so just to get. 00:13:36
Give everyone a rundown of the agenda for. 00:13:38
This specific meeting. 00:13:41
These are. 00:13:43
The priority items that. 00:13:44
I'm hoping to cover. 00:13:46
We'll go as fast as slow as you want. 00:13:47
And so this is. 00:13:51
The order that. 00:13:53
That will go through that. 00:13:54
And then if there's additional time? 00:13:56
There's plenty more that we can go over. 00:13:58
So please just. 00:14:02
Feel free to interrupt me with. 00:14:04
Any questions you have and I'm happy to just adapt this to. 00:14:06
What questions you had? 00:14:10
Sounds good. 00:14:11
I think that we might want to bump up, if we have time, the micro mobility. 00:14:12
Get Parks. 00:14:16
Where's my boy? 00:14:18
Yeah, my son loves writing this. Everything, every. 00:14:25
So, OK, keep going. It's a lot. There's a lot of interest in that and you're saying? 00:14:29
For sure. 00:14:34
OK, so the first thing that. 00:14:35
Really want to. 00:14:38
The city council's thoughts on. 00:14:39
Overseas Vineyard skate Park. 00:14:42
We received. 00:14:45
Budget, uh. 00:14:46
Last year $25,000 to create a concept design for a skate park. 00:14:47
And. 00:14:53
We entered a contract with Hunger Skate Parks. 00:14:54
Or $20,000. 00:14:57
So we were actually under that. 00:14:59
Budget amount. 00:15:02
And they created a concept design for us. 00:15:04
We have a skate park committee that consists of multiple people. 00:15:07
Which consists of. 00:15:12
Vineyard City staff and also Vineyard residents. So we have. 00:15:13
Some of them here. 00:15:16
Daniel George is a Vineyard resident. 00:15:18
He also is. 00:15:20
On our Arch Commission. 00:15:22
And he has been a strong advocate for helping us to. 00:15:25
Advertise this and collect. 00:15:29
Public input. 00:15:31
Bryce Brady. 00:15:32
Also as a Vineyard resident, uh. 00:15:33
And he served on Planning Commission for I believe it was eight years. 00:15:36
So he's, he's been in Vineyard for for a minute. 00:15:40
And they've been phenomenal to. 00:15:43
To work with. 00:15:47
I've been on that committee, we have a city planner that's been on that committee, and then there's another resident. 00:15:48
Brandon Peterson that has also been serving on that. 00:15:54
Committee who isn't here today, but he's been very as well. 00:15:57
The idea of a Vineyard skate park. 00:16:02
When we did our. 00:16:05
Parks and Rec Master plan. We had a lot of interest in the skate park from the community. 00:16:06
And just to kind of provide some numbers we've. 00:16:12
Sent out surveys of. 00:16:15
We had 249 survey responses to that we've had. 00:16:17
Approximately 75 comments via social media. 00:16:21
Whether that's through the skate park advocacy group, through our recreation Instagram. 00:16:24
Or even just. 00:16:29
Our city portal. 00:16:31
We had open house event. 00:16:34
Where we had. 00:16:36
This room almost completely full, we had people standing. 00:16:36
And so that was really exciting. 00:16:40
And there was a number of people that were interested in. 00:16:42
Doing fundraising for the project. 00:16:45
And so. 00:16:47
We've accrued. 00:16:49
I mean. 00:16:51
Not a ton, but we're. 00:16:52
We're started. 00:16:53
We've we've got nearly 2000 that. 00:16:55
Various community members have. 00:16:57
Begin to to cement. 00:16:59
For this specific project. 00:17:02
And so I want to. 00:17:04
Take a minute and just show you this. 00:17:07
This is. 00:17:10
The. 00:17:11
Updated concept design for the skate park. 00:17:12
I apologize it doesn't have music to this one but. 00:17:17
Hang tight, sorry, Bryce can sing for us. 00:17:19
So Hunger skate Parks is a specific group that. 00:17:31
Seems to be very highly talked. 00:17:35
Up by the community. 00:17:39
And that was really a. 00:17:42
Also a big part of why we chose to to go with them. 00:17:44
They have a couple parks up in Cache Valley that are just absolutely phenomenal. 00:17:48
There are design and build. 00:17:53
Through and so a lot of them are. 00:17:55
You know, into skating and they. 00:18:00
They just, they're passionate about this. So we're we're excited. 00:18:03
For everything that they've. 00:18:06
They've done for us. 00:18:08
OK. 00:18:17
So. 00:18:18
While we were going about figuring out. 00:18:19
Skate Park. 00:18:22
Locations. 00:18:25
There were a number of. 00:18:27
Sites that we've considered. 00:18:30
And I went and I. 00:18:32
Did a site visit with. 00:18:35
David Kyle as well to go around to. 00:18:36
Do a bunch of these. 00:18:39
And occasionally we. 00:18:40
Came to the conclusion that the location of BSc. 00:18:42
Here at the City Hall building. 00:18:46
Would be the ideal location just for the sake of visibility. 00:18:49
It's isolated. 00:18:54
It's not nearby other park infrastructure. 00:18:56
Where? 00:18:59
You know, there can kind of be a. 00:19:01
I don't know. 00:19:04
I feel like sometimes there's a vibe. 00:19:05
That maybe skateboarders get that. 00:19:07
Maybe they're known for? 00:19:10
You know, graffiti and stuff like that. And that's not always true. 00:19:12
But one benefit of having it here is that. 00:19:16
Not only is it isolated, gives them a central hub area. 00:19:19
But it's also right next to our public safety, so if there's any concerns. 00:19:25
They have supervision just right here. 00:19:29
There's no utilities in the specific lot. 00:19:34
And so we just felt like this would be the ideal location was. 00:19:37
Open to. 00:19:41
I hear your thoughts on that specifically, but just to give you a visual. 00:19:42
This is. 00:19:46
The existing City Hall where we're at in the basement. Beautiful. 00:19:48
Presentation. 00:19:51
Hello, good to you, Brian. 00:19:52
Oh my goodness. 00:19:54
So sorry. 00:19:57
How's that? 00:20:07
OK. 00:20:10
So this is the proposed site. 00:20:15
So just here there would be 18. 00:20:18
Additional parking stalls. 00:20:22
Two of which would be. 00:20:25
88 and then the skate park. 00:20:27
Then go in this. 00:20:30
Parcel here. 00:20:31
This one. The reason this is such a priority of wanting to get your thoughts is. 00:20:33
Just the fact that of the grant application, we have an opportunity to get half $1,000,000 grant from. 00:20:39
The Utah outdoor recreation. 00:20:45
Grant Organization. 00:20:48
And and with the design already having been done. 00:20:51
At this location. 00:20:55
Everything is really. 00:20:56
Good to go. 00:21:00
As far as submitting that, but we just want to make sure that we have City Council approval on that. 00:21:01
And if there's any concerns? 00:21:06
We'd love to know about that now. 00:21:08
One council member had asked me previously. 00:21:10
If we apply for this grant. 00:21:13
Would we be tied to that specific location? 00:21:16
And the information that I got from the Uorg Rep was that. 00:21:18
Having a solidified location will make your application stronger. 00:21:23
He doesn't totally tie you down. 00:21:27
But. 00:21:31
Just knowing that there's no. 00:21:32
In the error type. 00:21:34
Five it it gives us. 00:21:36
Strength to the application and now that it's a. 00:21:39
For sure thing. So I I'm interested to know. 00:21:41
If any of you have any concerns, questions. 00:21:44
Thoughts. 00:21:48
Open to hear whatever you ask. 00:21:49
Say about this question. 00:21:52
So this this area is not part of the. 00:21:54
The wetlands designated in that area just in case of. 00:21:57
Not part of that at all, right? That is correct and is a land owned by the city owner. 00:22:00
Correct. So there will be an acquisition cost of the land? 00:22:04
Bryce, have we talked to the, have you talked to the neighbors? 00:22:09
Or maybe somebody here right now? 00:22:11
I just had multiple meetings over the years about. 00:22:16
The skate park, the whole park line when we did the corridor planned. 00:22:18
He had a large chunk of the meadows. 00:22:22
At that vocabulary plans that had this skate park on the planet spot. 00:22:24
And then we've had multiple skate park meetings. 00:22:29
And I haven't heard any negative comments from people if there's anything I've heard. 00:22:31
Lots of positive comments. There were people that were worried about. 00:22:36
I don't want the skate park to be here because. 00:22:39
Skaters have bad reputation like you mentioned, which isn't always the case, but. 00:22:42
A lot of people. 00:22:46
Add those. 00:22:47
Have those worries calmed knowing that it was right next to the police station for sure. 00:22:50
Yeah, it reminds me kind of what ARM did, having the skate park right there at the 12th. 00:22:56
Is that totally the best right there, right by the fire station? I mean it's. 00:23:00
Driving past that quite often. 00:23:04
The really incredible thing is right so. 00:23:07
Only benefit the ambulance was right there. 00:23:09
Yeah, right. So it's like something if kids break their arms. 00:23:11
Yeah. What are your thoughts on this? Do you have any thoughts? 00:23:15
My first question would just be. 00:23:18
What liability does the city actually incur? 00:23:22
Building skate park like. 00:23:25
When I was a kid, I fell. I broke my elbow. A lot of kids do. 00:23:28
So I wouldn't assume that there's. 00:23:32
Immediate city liability, but I'm just. 00:23:36
Curious about the legal content? 00:23:39
Aspect. 00:23:40
Frankie, speak to that. Or maybe. 00:23:41
Yeah, so the city has specific. 00:23:44
Like criteria, they have a specific policy that. 00:23:47
Gives them to, you know, the liability coverage so that in the case there is an injury. 00:23:50
We we have something in place for that. 00:23:54
Of course, adding a facility like this, yes, that increases the potential for. 00:23:56
You know, injuries to occur and there to be potential. 00:24:00
Liability. Umm. 00:24:03
But just the fact that we have those insurance. 00:24:05
Items in place. 00:24:08
That that gives the city an. 00:24:10
It makes it more safe, just the fact that you're at that place. I'd be curious if we could even talk to Jesse about just hanging a 00:24:13
sign or something that says use this facility drone. 00:24:17
Risk and liability. 00:24:22
Can you guys speak to that exactly yes, most skate parks have to have like it's like like enter your like at your own risk yeah 00:24:23
type deal. OK, yeah, it encourages. 00:24:27
Proper safety equipment and obviously using. 00:24:31
The facilities as intended, but then yeah, always clarifies this is an at risk, yeah. 00:24:34
Dear Bill, dear Howard, are you even also? 00:24:40
Skate park. Skate parks actually make it. 00:24:43
I would say make it more safe for skateboarders and scooters rather than I mean, otherwise like where these kids going to be if 00:24:45
there's no skate park, they're going to be in parking lots and sidewalks. This gives them a place where, you know, it's 00:24:51
centralized, it's designated for that activity, It's designed and made for it. And so it's. 00:24:56
Paper. I kind of like the location. I mean it's like to your point, it's I mean, it's not ever gonna be really big busy Rd. 00:25:02
Right. So we'll kind of. 00:25:10
There's there's that benefit as well, so. 00:25:12
So walk us through, do we get any cost? So we got 400,000 in the wrap. 00:25:16
And then this is a half $1,000,000 so. 00:25:21
OK, Yeah, yeah, because there we go. Let's go ahead and jump right in. So. 00:25:23
This just kind of gives you a rundown of where we're at and. 00:25:27
So we spent $20,000. 00:25:31
For the concept designed. 00:25:33
3750 for a geotech survey. 00:25:35
It was kind of a rush, so we went for the skate park grant last year. 00:25:39
We didn't receive it. It was it was really rushed, the whole process of trying to get this done. We weren't able to get a topo 00:25:43
survey done and I think that that hurt us. 00:25:47
And so. 00:25:51
Is based on now. 00:25:53
Yes, it is done now. 00:25:56
So yeah, we did that. 00:25:58
And then? 00:26:00
Just taking the feedback that we received from. 00:26:01
You work some of the things that they wanted to see was more ADA type compliance, right? And so adding the two ADA parking stalls, 00:26:05
we had a ramp included in the park. 00:26:10
So that. 00:26:15
That served us really well. 00:26:16
And then one other thing they wanted to see is economic impact. 00:26:18
They wanted more information on that and so we got budget to. 00:26:21
Also. 00:26:27
Enter a contract for a design of a asphalt pump track. 00:26:28
And that was with. 00:26:32
American Ramp Company and they've had a ton of success with getting your grants and. 00:26:33
Previous years. 00:26:38
And so we felt like. 00:26:39
That would be kind of like a phase two if that were something that. 00:26:41
Stick on approval. 00:26:45
But essentially that that's what we've paid so far. And then as far as future? 00:26:47
Potentially 1.1. 00:26:52
$1,000,000. 00:26:54
But 500,000 of that would be coming from. 00:26:56
The UOR grant. 00:26:59
500,000 of that would come from the wrap tax. 00:27:02
So like I said, we have like 409,000. 00:27:06
We accurate about 20,000 a month, so by the time we got the grant we should have. 00:27:08
That $500,000? 00:27:12
There for that. 00:27:14
The design was made with. 00:27:18
The idea of having the $1,000,000 budget, yeah. 00:27:21
But. 00:27:25
The parking stalls and landscaping were not included in that and so we got quotes of what that would cost. 00:27:27
And so. 00:27:34
Essentially this would necessitate. 00:27:36
The city would need to. 00:27:38
Pay about $110,000. 00:27:40
From the general fund to help. 00:27:43
Offset. 00:27:45
Or we. 00:27:46
Would need to take that additional money from the Rep tax. 00:27:47
Which would just be approved with time. 00:27:51
And does that answer your questions that that's? 00:27:55
This is this is awesome. OK, so let's just walk this through. So would. 00:27:58
We both trigger. We do the application. 00:28:01
When does the, when does the grant fund and when we have to? 00:28:03
Like spend it by. 00:28:06
Yes, so the application. 00:28:08
We would know. 00:28:11
Around May. 00:28:13
If we get awarded the grant. 00:28:14
And then? 00:28:16
Under that situation. 00:28:18
That circumstance we would plan to start construction in June of this year. 00:28:19
And hopefully be done by October. 00:28:23
So. 00:28:27
As far as time frame. 00:28:30
I believe it's like, I believe it's 18 months or two years that we have to. 00:28:32
From start to finish to complete the project. 00:28:37
OK, but that would be? 00:28:39
The idea is that we would try and push for all that to. 00:28:42
Have it this fall, just yeah, we had. 00:28:45
OK. 00:28:47
Great, SO. 00:28:48
So just going back to the last one. So if, if we say OK. 00:28:51
Let's just think this logically. It sounds like we're there's a. 00:28:54
The high likelihood we're going to get this? 00:28:57
Right. Would you? I think we have a really good shot. 00:28:59
Yeah. As good, right? Yeah. 00:29:02
Graphs are graphs. 00:29:04
So we we get the grant. 00:29:06
Pull the trigger, start construction and then we would have to allocate in the fiscal year 2026 like basically if we want to push 00:29:07
it this year. 00:29:11
Roughly 100,000. 00:29:16
Is that we kind of think out of general fund? 00:29:18
To do that, OK, so. 00:29:20
Yeah. And that would be the next fiscal year, sorry. 00:29:22
Or you wait for the raft tax to. 00:29:25
Pay that out, fix the cash. 00:29:27
OK. 00:29:29
And I mean, just in the timeline that we're talking about, you mentioned the 500 grand would be the end of the fiscal year, right, 00:29:30
So then. 00:29:33
You're talking about October? 00:29:36
That's another 60 to 80 grand, depending on the date. 00:29:38
That would already cover that and then you're really looking at a 40 grand shortfall. 00:29:41
For sure. 00:29:44
Yeah, which? 00:29:45
I mean. 00:29:47
Realistically, the city could drag its feet on the landscaping. 00:29:48
Or on the parking stall. 00:29:52
And one other thing here to know. 00:29:54
That with the landscaping number in particular. 00:29:56
This is if we were to contract that out. 00:29:59
So. 00:30:01
He could save. 00:30:03
A good chunk of that money if we did it in house. 00:30:05
My big conversation with the park manager and he seems to. 00:30:08
The other challenge, if that was the route that we wanted to go, obviously that would. 00:30:12
Pull our parks team potentially away from other duties and so that would just. 00:30:16
Be something. 00:30:20
Considered, but that's something that they're willing to do. 00:30:22
You need to consider hiring. 00:30:25
More seasonal work to come in and do that. It's a one to two-month project. 00:30:27
Something worth considering too is there are a lot of. 00:30:31
Volunteers in the city that will want this part to happen, they're happy to volunteer for, yeah. 00:30:34
I'm done for an afternoon or something, yeah. 00:30:39
Even I I know good landscapes are on track. 00:30:42
David. 00:30:45
Yeah, I think Bryce. Yeah, you. 00:30:50
Points well taken, I think that. 00:30:52
You could, you know, because I like the community behind, right? I like that. 00:30:53
Having that aspect of it as well, OK. 00:30:58
All right, cool cat. 00:31:00
So then I did actually want to turn some time over. 00:31:02
Just in case if Bryce or Daniel want to. 00:31:05
Say anything or add any additional bots to what's been shared. 00:31:07
Just being part of the committee. 00:31:11
Yeah. So this has been. 00:31:13
We've been working on this for a long time. 00:31:16
Like we say that we got last year. 00:31:18
But it's been. 00:31:21
Months before that to find a contractor to do it, it's been. 00:31:22
Years before that to get this on the general plan and get. 00:31:27
Feedback to the general plan. 00:31:30
And then? 00:31:31
OK, the reason I joined the Planning Commission when I did in 2017. 00:31:32
Was. 00:31:37
Have you been to anybody? Question me if you know that I've brought up a skate park in almost every single meeting. 00:31:38
Because. 00:31:47
Skate parks are huge for young community like ours. 00:31:48
We've got playgrounds, we've got sports. 00:31:51
But there are kids that. 00:31:54
Aren't good at football and soccer that? 00:31:56
Dealt with five well in a team sport. 00:32:00
Where they need other people to look up to, they need to use. 00:32:02
State Parks our platform with mental health. 00:32:06
They help a ton with. 00:32:10
Getting to know your community. 00:32:13
It's awesome that it's next to the police station. 00:32:15
Skateboarders get to see that. 00:32:17
Police officers are actually cool guys, yeah. 00:32:19
They don't get vilified. 00:32:22
And having one in our community is. 00:32:25
Good for that. Or you need something they need to get out, they need to. 00:32:28
It's a few things that are hard and having Spirit Park is something that can. 00:32:33
Do that bring people? 00:32:38
Are generally by themselves together. 00:32:40
I think your points were taken too. It's like so we have, we have a ton of. 00:32:44
Playground, the Parkside. But it's like. 00:32:47
Kids graduate from that, what do they go to? You know, sports or you know. 00:32:49
This would be granted out that friend. 00:32:53
Sure. 00:32:55
I I'm sure this thing would be crawling. 00:32:56
Yeah, yeah, right. 00:33:00
So. 00:33:01
Yeah, this mask. Would you go there and use this dude? 00:33:02
Stop driving your throne around, I'm sure. 00:33:05
The other cool thing about this location too is it is. 00:33:08
Surrounded by kids like more than any other location in the city. 00:33:11
And I. 00:33:16
I think it's a great. 00:33:18
Location day. 00:33:19
I'm excited about it. Obviously, I have been for the last. 00:33:21
During years. 00:33:24
Yeah, and that's something just to echo what's Rice is saying. 00:33:26
Something we've been really thinking about is like, how do we service? 00:33:29
Yeah, an underrepresented demographic in the community, which is like that teenage demographic. It's like the parks are great for 00:33:32
younger kids, but like. 00:33:36
As we're experiencing, we have three kids, this one. 00:33:40
9 year old and 12 year old. It's like. 00:33:43
The 12 year old is like no longer really interested in any of the offerings that the community has in terms of like recreational 00:33:45
things. 00:33:48
And so when we did have our. 00:33:52
Initial meetings like the planning meetings. 00:33:55
Like with skate park designers when they came and visited to get public feedback. 00:33:58
There were several teenagers in the room who were, yeah, over the moon that we were. 00:34:02
Thinking about them and like things that they would enjoy doing. 00:34:06
So. 00:34:10
Yeah. That's something that we've been thinking about as, yeah, how well it can. 00:34:11
And help with that, yeah. 00:34:14
Demographic. 00:34:16
Have something? 00:34:18
Exciting fun to do. 00:34:19
Yeah, awesome. 00:34:22
Anybody else have comments on it? 00:34:23
Yeah, go ahead, Maya, I know. 00:34:25
I have kids that are very stressed about this. We take our family pictures actually at the State Park, you know? 00:34:27
I am a 40 year old man but like. 00:34:34
When I go to the skate park. 00:34:37
Package not every day, but I see plenty of 20 year olds that are still. 00:34:39
If we go into, you know. 00:34:44
So I just want to broaden it now. It's it is not just. 00:34:46
Here's some little fun stuff for the. 00:34:50
10 to 16, it's like. 00:34:53
Dude, I live here. I I see it for the meeting. I want to skate to the skate park that's right here. 00:34:55
I will bring kids, you know, and. 00:35:00
I just feel like, yeah, it is not just. 00:35:03
This niche of language it could be. 00:35:05
I've got so I'm a filmmaker and I I helped with the. 00:35:09
Documentary for the Vernal skate department. all-wheel park. 00:35:12
And I got to see so many things behind the scenes, getting these grants and all that stuff. They were blown away. It's Vernal, you 00:35:15
know, it's. 00:35:18
Not to kind of see that we're in, but like. 00:35:21
They were blown away with how many people came to that grand opening, came out of the woodworks, all the different wheels and 00:35:23
everything's like that so. 00:35:26
I just am confident that like what you're saying, like it's gonna be crawling. Yeah, with. 00:35:29
With there's yeah, no. 00:35:33
It's fabulous. But is there some way that we can kind of promote it that? 00:35:46
You know. 00:35:50
Get involved with this too. 00:35:51
They just had. 01:06:34
Very little bizarre because they have. 01:06:37
Trying to do some facilities that is they've tried to do. 01:06:38
Just explore options to make it work. 01:06:42
But it was just not working for them and they were having issues. 01:06:44
So my understanding in the past which I can give you more information later on. 01:06:49
Other than solving a problem by giving people a dog park they've always wanted. But they could have got their own way anyway. 01:06:53
Other than that, what benefit are we getting getting the secret by doing this project? 01:06:59
One of the benefits is it serves as a gateway to the city, again as I. 01:07:04
OK, man. So I hope that you people walk through there, walk through there, and then I'll walk through on the trail the city goes. 01:07:08
You don't walk through on the HOA plan. 01:07:14
Yeah, but. 01:07:16
When we were given that, we're able to create that connection here now. 01:07:18
Where you know you can see from. 01:07:22
Had much older photo. 01:07:25
This connection. 01:07:26
There that connects you to the train was not even existent. 01:07:28
Fast. It was one that you know. The truth curved there. 01:07:32
And all of that was made possible because now. 01:07:36
Well, the city owned the land. The the the trail is on what we are on right next to the next to the. 01:07:39
The fencer. 01:07:43
Yeah. So we could only have that connection because now we've been given that access to do. 01:07:44
Feel that's all I asked is the city owned that land right next to the. 01:07:49
Fence that goes along the track there. 01:07:53
So the city could have built the trail along there to take care of it that way. We'd have to. 01:07:55
The reason we couldn't have the trail previously is because we didn't. We didn't. We didn't own that land up to the up to the 01:08:01
fence. Yes, we didn't own it. 01:08:05
OK. That, that was the part of nuclear, sorry, that's the benefit to the city was now we could have the trail because we have the 01:08:09
land now. We have the land now. We agreed at the connection because we've owned the land. 01:08:13
Thank you. 01:08:18
Any other questions please? 01:08:19
And I was showing you a picture of how it's looking now. 01:08:22
Again. 01:08:34
Ever since this happened. 01:08:35
Owning the land and. 01:08:37
Going through this agreement, we've been able to realign as. 01:08:38
You were asking about. 01:08:41
So we've been able to solve the storm water issue. 01:08:43
And. 01:08:46
Also irrigation issues that were already in existence before that that made it almost impossible to use that area for anything. 01:08:48
And also the pundit. 01:08:55
Was a little native. 01:08:58
Found it on the on the trails where eliminated as well. 01:08:59
And it's provided. 01:09:02
And much safer and. 01:09:03
Easier way for long term maintenance and safety. 01:09:06
Of the area in general. 01:09:09
Now they've built a bigger trail, maintenance cars can just. 01:09:11
Get in there and just. 01:09:14
Do some maintenance of either the trail or anything else. 01:09:16
Were needed for us before it was the pain. 01:09:20
To do that. 01:09:22
The within the city. 01:09:23
Trips. So here are a few pictures of how it's looking now. 01:09:25
We've created that great connection. 01:09:31
We. We. 01:09:34
Also. 01:09:36
So on the top left corner you can tell the picture there is showing that storm water. 01:09:40
Issues that were. 01:09:45
So that were. 01:09:47
Solved is also there. 01:09:49
And overall, the site functions as a major downtown gateway. 01:09:52
And. 01:09:57
Other parts of the city as well. 01:09:58
For people that are not. 01:10:00
It is an opportunity for the city if we can turn this into a park. 01:10:03
To create a more. 01:10:07
Exciting and pleasant. 01:10:10
Experience for those using the trail. 01:10:12
And improves aesthetics. 01:10:15
Generally. 01:10:16
Within that area. 01:10:18
Along our trail system. 01:10:20
And this will. 01:10:22
Again, support and improve property values. 01:10:23
Of the development around it. 01:10:27
So in conclusion this. 01:10:31
Projects. 01:10:33
Transforms. 01:10:36
No problem sites into. 01:10:38
An asset. 01:10:40
That the city can be proud of. 01:10:41
It also delivers recreational space. 01:10:43
Safety and. 01:10:47
Structure improvements. 01:10:48
As well as supporting. 01:10:51
The city's growth and livability. 01:10:52
As we keep growing. 01:10:55
So what would it cost? 01:10:57
What will it cost to? 01:10:58
To design the dog park portion of this, it's already done. Is it? 01:11:00
No, it's not been designed. OK. So you have to, we need cost for design, Yeah. 01:11:03
And the cost to build it? 01:11:06
And then the cost to maintain each year. 01:11:08
What we will, we're looking at. 01:11:11
Good afternoon. So the cost of design? 01:11:12
Was. 01:11:16
Skype of 200,000 about per year. 01:11:17
So you have you can speak more. Yeah, so. 01:11:21
What he showed on that there was kind of the two separate parcels. There was like the .9 acre for the city and then there was the. 01:11:24
You don't properly see that, right? 01:11:31
Yeah. So essentially they got a quote that was for. 01:11:34
Designing all of that, including EU dot, including EU dot because basically the situation is. 01:11:38
UDOT doesn't. 01:11:44
Have interest in? 01:11:45
Putting dollars towards that project, They'd love to see it landscaped. Of course, you know the police. So the question is. 01:11:46
Yeah, does the city want to? 01:11:52
Put in the money to. 01:11:54
Make that landscaping look is that. 01:11:56
Is that worth it to the city? 01:11:58
Or is it just worth? 01:12:01
Doing the .9. 01:12:02
Acre Park. 01:12:04
So, Joe, so. 01:12:07
Man, sorry, I'm going to sound like a bad guy and I'm not trying to be a bad guy. 01:12:10
I think you've done excellent work on the presentation and I I generally like. 01:12:14
What you guys have brought up? 01:12:18
My frustration is that. 01:12:20
You know, in the previous section we just talked about. 01:12:22
Pretty much allocating all of the parks and rec. 01:12:25
Budget to a much bigger. 01:12:27
Program. 01:12:30
Or asset. 01:12:31
And I much support that over. 01:12:35
This part of my frustration is, is kind of what David brought up if the HOA. 01:12:37
Didn't care enough to. 01:12:43
Do it themselves. 01:12:44
It's frustrating that then the city has to put a bill for it. 01:12:46
I do think it's a net benefit that we. 01:12:51
Got the lands to put the trail through. 01:12:53
The kind of mock up that you had shown on the the presentation. 01:12:57
I don't think is very conducive to being a dog park. 01:13:01
Granted, obviously we still have to go through. 01:13:05
Planning and design for this. 01:13:08
But if we're going to pursue it, it would be my. 01:13:10
Recommendation that we do it as. 01:13:14
Supportively as possible. 01:13:18
I would think about, you know. 01:13:20
Irrigation and. 01:13:22
Sod with a couple trees and a bench. 01:13:24
'Cause it's it's. 01:13:26
Dog park. If we're really talking about dog park, the dogs don't need them. 01:13:28
Flower beds and all that stuff. And to be honest, they'll destroy. 01:13:32
So I think it's better to go. 01:13:36
Minimalistic. 01:13:38
With a. 01:13:40
The simple design would be my my kind of recommendation. 01:13:41
And I think the fact that we're talking about $200,000 or a quarter $1,000,000 here. 01:13:46
Is insane. 01:13:50
I have on multiple occasions as a private resident. 01:13:53
Landscaped acre lots. 01:13:56
For $50,000 and under. 01:13:58
And so part of me wonders, is this just the cost of the bureaucracy? 01:14:01
And if it is, I think it's wobbly, inefficient and we need to find a way to make a cut cut or a. 01:14:05
More affordable decision. 01:14:10
If I can just speak to that, wait, wait. 01:14:13
100% agree with you. Don't feel like a bad guy, not a bad guy. 01:14:15
Totally valid, I don't think don't love dogs. No. You have dog. I have a dog. He's Yeah, talking about the. 01:14:21
I never will. 01:14:28
As a Parks and Rec director, when I saw those numbers too, I was like. 01:14:29
What Mike it, It didn't make sense to me. 01:14:34
But I think that. 01:14:37
There is a little bit of an outlier because in that projected design, you're right, it didn't necessarily. 01:14:38
Just show a dog park. It had a pavilion, it had a playground, it had all kinds of stuff. So that's going to reduce a huge cost. 01:14:44
And and really essentially what I am hoping to get out of this conversation because this was turned over to. 01:14:52
The parks and routine. 01:15:00
Is. 01:15:02
Is there interest in City Council that we send out a survey to the public to ask? 01:15:04
For this portion of land, what do you want to see there? Do you not even want to go there? Do you want to set a budget 1st and 01:15:10
then we go to them in the presentation that there was. 01:15:15
Strong community support, at least in Tucker Row for a dog park specifically. 01:15:21
The the reality of the situation is because of the location there. 01:15:25
No one outside of Tucker Row is going to go and use that space. 01:15:29
So it's really just. 01:15:33
The gateway like you mentioned, people coming and going to the the track station. 01:15:34
Or frontier front runner shop and people who are maybe walking through. 01:15:39
Headed to downtown Vineyard, right? Or going to Bella's or something like that? 01:15:43
I don't foresee. 01:15:47
Anyone going out of their way or going past? 01:15:49
Vineyard Grove Park or Penny Springs Park to go and use that. 01:15:52
Space. 01:15:56
The self dogs. 01:15:58
Say again, if they have dogs, maybe. 01:16:00
Why would you choose that over the much bigger field than any of the other parks? Because. 01:16:02
Well, they're not dog parks. 01:16:07
But that doesn't mean dogs can't be at those parts, though. 01:16:08
They're gonna be off. 01:16:11
Can you guys hear me? Sorry. So here's the thing. 01:16:14
Accommodation also occurs in other liability, though. Dogs fight, they fight each other. They bite people. 01:16:19
But it's one of those things where that space. 01:16:24
Designated for that. So if you're gonna pay you skilled dog, they're off leash. 01:16:27
You should expect some few things. 01:16:32
OK, so. 01:16:34
I I guess I guess my issue is the way it's designed here is. 01:16:35
I mean, we laid out the trail you got. 01:16:39
You're leaving. 01:16:41
Something you've done to it? 01:16:45
And then you have the other other. This is. 01:16:47
Closer to the overpass. 01:16:49
That's about parking. Why? Why We just make it. 01:16:50
Just, you know, bring that Y close over the edge so you have that larger area for a dot bar. Just fence the whole thing. Put a 01:16:54
bench or two in a tree and call it good. 01:16:58
We don't need a design for that. 01:17:01
It's doing. 01:17:03
That's kind of my. 01:17:04
Theory of my thought. 01:17:05
Too I'm I'm in align with David in that that. 01:17:06
Area that's pretty unusable or that's out of the way? 01:17:09
Zero skate that bad boy. And then for the dog part, we should. 01:17:12
Saw a fence bench. 01:17:15
So I. 01:17:19
Can I please sponsor that yes degree? 01:17:21
So that's like task. 01:17:24
Which doesn't divide here the side, the middle side that looks almost usable. 01:17:25
Has stuck underneath like infrastructure. 01:17:30
That we need to be. 01:17:33
You know, stormwater related things that would need to be. 01:17:35
Accessed overtime. 01:17:39
So they didn't have to like. 01:17:40
This an engineering can talk more about the reasoning behind the curve in that. 01:17:43
That trail, but that's that's some sorry I'm. 01:17:47
I don't think we put resources now trying to change that. 01:17:50
I'm just thinking how do you work around it then you? 01:17:54
You do something cost effective. Oh yeah, 0 escaping in that space. 01:17:56
Because you're not going to separate the dog park by the trail and have. 01:18:01
The fence broke. 01:18:06
I'm assuming you wanna have the dog fart fully fenced to keep the dogs in the dog park. 01:18:07
Yeah, Essentially my recommendation from staff would be that we do this in house. 01:18:12
There's no 100% agree. There's no reason this is such a small area. Like why go out and get a yeah? 01:18:16
Company to do it when it's gonna be. 01:18:23
Multi $100,000. 01:18:25
Thank you. We can do this for. 01:18:27
So it's landscapers, man. They just put, they put the eyeball. That's right. 01:18:28
If you read them against each other, they do a pretty good job of being competitive. 01:18:32
Yeah. OK. So Spinoff could use artificial turf instead. Well that. 01:18:37
That's it for that. That's the appointment. 01:18:42
That's right, that's like seeing some cases workbook. 01:18:45
Yeah, I know it's expensive, but then it never has to be maintained exactly. 01:18:47
Good enough you'll have to hose it off. I mean that's how you maintain it after dog usage. 01:18:52
So Ezra has a question. 01:18:56
Can you guys hear me now if we can hear? 01:18:59
Yeah, let's we're working on that. OK, technical. 01:19:01
Sorry, Nope, it's not wanting to do it there either. 01:19:05
That's great. OK. 01:19:08
Ezra, do you wanna call me real fast? 01:19:09
Type it in the chat. 01:19:11
Yeah. 01:19:12
Call me, I'll put you on speaker. 01:19:14
Let's see. 01:19:18
Emma, I just don't know if that's going to give us an echo. I wouldn't say this has been. 01:19:19
Obviously not been a priority project for. 01:19:24
For us. 01:19:27
We just wanted to bring this to you just for your awareness. Thank you. 01:19:28
The fact that now we own it, so is there anything else? 01:19:32
Ohh, there we go. 01:19:36
Oh, can you hear me now? 01:19:38
Yes. 01:19:39
Hey, OK, I was just going to say so sorry this is from like a few minutes ago, but. 01:19:40
I was gonna say yeah, if it's programmed as a dog park, I do think it'll see usage just because right now people are driving to 01:19:45
that. I think our most popular area for for dogs. 01:19:50
Is that little patch of grass that's kind of by the orchards, if you guys are familiar with that one? 01:19:54
Where? 01:19:59
It's not really programmed as a dog park, but it's a kind of a fenced off area. 01:20:01
Or other other parks that we have don't really have that fenced off area so. 01:20:05
Honestly, I think that's probably the biggest benefit is if we just had some fenced area. 01:20:09
People. 01:20:14
Go out there. This trail really connects to all the different neighborhoods. I I do think it would see how usage is based off. 01:20:16
The fact that right now people are going South of Center St. 01:20:22
Where there's no other facilities. 01:20:25
To that little you see that little l-shaped. 01:20:27
If you keep go EA little bit. 01:20:29
Right. 01:20:33
There in that green patch. 01:20:34
That's probably our most. 01:20:36
I mean, that is our most popular. 01:20:38
Dog park that's not. 01:20:40
A dog park. 01:20:42
And it used to say the Vineyard Dog Park was the name of it on Google even. 01:20:44
But it's not even. 01:20:48
I don't think it's a city asset. I think it actually is responsible. 01:20:50
Can't use it for. 01:20:57
Dogs anyway. Supposedly. 01:20:59
Yeah. 01:21:00
So it's become that makeshift area. And as you can see, there's not really. 01:21:01
I mean, there's not really any parking there's. 01:21:05
Even more limited accessibility to this area than there is to that north side. 01:21:08
So yeah. 01:21:13
I, I, I think people would travel a good bit to. 01:21:16
To go to that and utilize it if. 01:21:19
As long as the amenity is there, which is really the fence, the fence is the main thing they need. 01:21:21
I do think. 01:21:26
It will be more expensive than. 01:21:27
You know, the private sector. 01:21:30
Comparison of just looking at. 01:21:31
What it would cost to like landscape a home or something like that? 01:21:33
But I do think we can significantly bring those costs down. 01:21:35
We just will have other considerations like the stormwater. 01:21:39
Water runoff. 01:21:41
You know all all all the different types of things that. 01:21:43
We have to consider as a government entity, but. 01:21:45
Yeah, doing it in house can be. 01:21:47
Quite a bit cheaper. 01:21:50
Essentially the way that I see this project is we could potentially go for a your grant for this next year. 01:21:53
And ideally for that if. 01:22:00
If there was appetite to. 01:22:01
Build this out. 01:22:03
It would be ideal to maybe have direction from you of do you want us to go to the public to do a survey to see what they want? 01:22:06
Or do we just set a budget? 01:22:13
And then we go to the mask, what they want. 01:22:15
I think, I think that probably where I'm at with this, I think this is a good. 01:22:17
20272028 project perhaps kind of with my head's on it. I love the skate park. I think we're gonna let's focus on that. 01:22:23
Yeah. And then? 01:22:29
Get a little rap tax coming, you know, whatever that is. 01:22:31
You know Bryce is going to donate all the stuff. 01:22:33
Can you cover the extras? But we can start doing the wrap for that, right? 01:22:35
So that's just kind of my head. So I mean, we're talking about three to four months of wrap tax would fund that project. Yeah, I 01:22:39
mean, if we do it internally prioritize. 01:22:43
I build. Obviously this is what I do for a living. I build these. 01:22:47
I have 100 of them going on. 01:22:51
I think that we could do in house properly around 80 to $100,000 would be just like off the top might, might be my guess, yeah. 01:22:53
Would be the hard cost if we do like it said. 01:23:00
Saw irrigation, couple trees in the bench, something like that. Maybe a fence too because I I feel like Ezra's idea that's I think 01:23:02
the fence is key. 01:23:06
So I don't, I don't think that people are going to want to go there with their dog. 01:23:10
Pick up a leash and have them run them. 01:23:13
Into the road, it's fight. 01:23:14
Yeah #1. 01:23:18
Yeah, yeah. 01:23:20
So I. 01:23:21
But I I do think that I think on this one. 01:23:22
Would probably just be weight. 01:23:25
And then we'll. 01:23:27
Get to the next. 01:23:28
You know, maybe wait a year. 01:23:30
And that is safe. I'll say this it. 01:23:32
You survey. 01:23:34
The surrounding area of the community and this community support for it and you get a grant for it that you will never have 01:23:35
pushback from me. 01:23:38
If if there's a way that we can fund it through fundraising or or raising a grant, I fully support that 100%. 01:23:41
So if we go ahead and do a survey, just ask, hey. 01:23:47
If the city were to build this out, what would you want to see? 01:23:50
Yeah, I, I, I, I really like that. 01:23:52
Provide options even. Again, you could say, look, we're talking about this as a dog park or a. 01:23:55
Small park with pavilion, you know. 01:24:01
Which you prefer? 01:24:03
Any, any of that stuff. And again, if there's if there's strong community support for a dog park. 01:24:04
And we can get a grant for it. I I'm all about going full scheme ahead. 01:24:09
OK. So I'll just plan to make sure we create a survey, we can send it out to the public, but make sure that it's a clear 01:24:13
expectation that. 01:24:16
This isn't being built out. 01:24:20
If it were to get funding, what would you want to see? 01:24:22
So that way there's not expectation like part that's happening this year. 01:24:25
And then that gives us the. 01:24:29
The public feedback that we need to then be able to go to a grant, potentially give one. 01:24:31
Yeah, OK. 01:24:36
Yeah, grants. 01:24:40
And so this way. 01:24:41
Well, thank you all. 01:24:43
This presentation was intended to turn some you know. 01:24:45
Things up in the brain so you can. 01:24:49
Be excited about what could happen in the space. 01:24:51
Whatever we have designed us, the concept is not cast in stone. 01:24:53
It could totally change. 01:24:57
Based on your direction and timing for that. 01:24:59
So thank you again. 01:25:01
Hey, thank you, Anthony. We'll go ahead and move on to thank you, Sir. 01:25:03
Great presentation. 01:25:08
And then your computer up a little bit, so. 01:25:09
As they can see your face. 01:25:12
There you go. 01:25:13
Give up. No shot what he presents today, Yeah. 01:25:17
We'll fix it. 01:25:21
Per Future Meeting. 01:25:25
And you gotta find a way to make that thing strange, like you do for City Council meetings. Yeah, there's. 01:25:26
OK. 01:25:36
Let's go into the central corridor plan. 01:25:39
So to give you. 01:25:42
A rundown on this. 01:25:44
Back in 2022. 01:25:46
The planning department worked on putting together a. 01:25:49
Master plan for the. 01:25:54
Center of the city for. 01:25:56
Park space. 01:25:58
And in that it has. 01:26:00
Various. 01:26:02
Amenities. Stuff included. 01:26:04
This was done before I was put in as Parks and Rec director. 01:26:06
And while I was part of the committee, I didn't. 01:26:10
Feel like I have a ton of say on what was included. 01:26:13
And with what was approved, that I have a lot of concerns from a Parks and Rec perspective. 01:26:16
And so I just want to. 01:26:21
Make you aware of. 01:26:24
From a Parks and Rec perspective, what our thoughts are on edits to this? 01:26:26
And to verify your thoughts on if you're in support of us. 01:26:30
Going and. 01:26:33
Editing this. 01:26:35
This plan. 01:26:36
Just so that we can plan accordingly. So as an example on this first slide, so this is existing Grove Park. 01:26:38
One feature on here is a dog park. 01:26:46
As you probably see here. 01:26:50
With it being right next to just this natural area. 01:26:54
I just don't feel like that's the best location for a dog park. Where. 01:26:58
You could have the feces that you know. 01:27:03
Runs off into that. 01:27:05
Also just the fact that it's at our highest programmed. 01:27:07
Park for recreation sports. 01:27:11
While it was mentioned earlier, like a lot of people bring their dogs to the park, but they're. 01:27:14
Essentially supposed to be on a leash. 01:27:19
And so by having a dog park there, we feel like that's just. 01:27:22
An invitation to bring more dogs. And while dogs are great. 01:27:25
We don't want them running on our fields while we have games going on. 01:27:29
And so that's one. 01:27:32
Change that I would want to make there. 01:27:34
And then this is. 01:27:36
A little bit further South, so this is the existing Gammon Park here. 01:27:38
These are This is the Robbins property, which is like the pumpkin patch. 01:27:43
Land, you're probably familiar with that, but there's some things on here that. 01:27:47
Are problematic in my mind. 01:27:52
Or that I think we could do without. 01:27:55
So this area here is an all abilities playground. 01:27:57
Since this plan was passed. 01:28:02
Utah City is actually initiated for All Abilities Park to be built in Utah City. 01:28:05
And so I don't foresee the need for. 01:28:11
This specific park. 01:28:14
Given in correlation with our Parks and Rec Master plan. 01:28:16
So that's a huge savings that we could potentially have as a city by removing that. 01:28:19
There's also a. 01:28:25
Very small parking lot here. It only has. 01:28:26
Like 60 to 80 stalls. 01:28:29
With having 2 soccer fields, tennis courts. 01:28:31
Potentially baseball in a Community Center, it just. 01:28:35
In my mind it doesn't make any sense to only have 60 to 80 stalls. 01:28:38
And I think. 01:28:42
To give them benefit. 01:28:44
Uh, just. 01:28:45
There was parking across the street. 01:28:47
At the school. 01:28:48
But essentially that school has events going almost all the time, and so if the plan is to. 01:28:50
You know, have soccer fields and program this and potentially have a Community Center. We would definitely want to have more 01:28:56
parking. 01:28:59
So that that is my biggest concern with this plan. 01:29:02
They do have the on street. 01:29:06
Parking that's. 01:29:08
Angled, I do have some concerns with that. 01:29:10
I attended a. 01:29:14
Expensive driving, training and. 01:29:18
From what I remember from that, the most common accident comes from. 01:29:20
Driving in reverse. 01:29:25
And so I feel like that just it doesn't support. 01:29:27
The findings on that training and I, I hope this doesn't come off route to the. 01:29:30
To the planning department, I don't mean to throw anything under the bus, but just from a Parks and Rec perspective, I just. 01:29:34
Want to make you aware of kind of how this would affect us. 01:29:40
It has a lot of trails that come in and through the park where we feel like. 01:29:43
If we didn't have trails going through the middle of the park, we would have a lot more programmed space. 01:29:47
They have two tennis courts here, but from a recreation standpoint. 01:29:53
We could host for youth. 01:29:58
Programs and also tournaments if we had at least four courts. 01:30:00
This plant has a dog park in the middle, right next to a community garden. 01:30:05
And I just don't think that that's the ideal. 01:30:09
Location for a dog park. 01:30:11
I just felt like if I'm. 01:30:13
Going to a garden and growing food. I know I don't want to smell dog poop. 01:30:14
And then they also have a baseball field in the soccer field, so there's a backstop. 01:30:19
Which means it would limit us for soccer planning. 01:30:24
And we would have to have smaller soccer fields. 01:30:27
So that we don't have people run into the. 01:30:29
And then lastly. 01:30:33
Over here. 01:30:34
With the skate park. 01:30:35
This isn't quite to scale based off of my measurements. 01:30:37
They had four pickleball courts. 01:30:41
Plan to come over here but it just doesn't fit the space. 01:30:43
And so essentially. 01:30:47
I would want to remove the the pickleball courts there. 01:30:48
There's already on this plan. 01:30:52
At Grove Park. 01:30:55
To have 12 pickleball courts go in place of the two tennis courts at Grove Park. 01:30:56
So if we have 12 there and there's potentially 4 planned in the holdaway fields. 01:31:01
Development. 01:31:07
Which that would give us 16 quarts. I don't think we need more than. 01:31:08
16 quarts for. 01:31:11
The city of Vineyard. 01:31:13
I mean obviously I'm one, I'm biased and I have my opinions, but I just want to let you know just my thoughts as a. 01:31:15
Parks and Rec director. 01:31:21
Just how I feel about. 01:31:23
That plan? 01:31:24
And so as a result, I just kind of did a sketch. 01:31:26
Of. 01:31:30
Kind of what I think would be ideal in coordination with. 01:31:31
Our parks manager. Our rec team. 01:31:34
Like events, employees. 01:31:38
So essentially this has a lot of the same features, but it's just. 01:31:40
Differently organized. 01:31:43
And so we still have the two soccer fields. 01:31:46
The baseball field that's existing there is, I think, super epic. 01:31:49
The community. 01:31:53
During the survey. 01:31:54
Of putting together this plan, we're very pro baseball. 01:31:56
And so. 01:32:00
That is why the planning department did put a baseball field. 01:32:02
There, but I just I would recommend that we keep the existing one. 01:32:05
Just because it's already there and it's been phenomenal. 01:32:10
There's enough space where we can have two baseball fields facing each other. 01:32:13
And that would give us the ability to. 01:32:17
Then offer uh. 01:32:20
More of a machine pitch league for kids we don't foresee Vineyard having. 01:32:21
Baseball fields in the new year future. 01:32:26
But having Little League is basically what we've been offering to this point and. 01:32:28
That would just help us to further our programs with what we currently offer. 01:32:32
Having four tennis courts. 01:32:36
Have a parks area with offices. 01:32:38
And then? 01:32:42
This would be a. 01:32:44
A stage so we could host events. 01:32:45
If you're familiar with. 01:32:47
Orem's Park, they have like a permanent stage. 01:32:48
And we spend about. 01:32:52
$25,000 a year just for stage rentals for our events. 01:32:53
And so by us having a. 01:32:58
A stage that's permanent. 01:33:00
That could allow us to avoid that ongoing cost. 01:33:02
And would allow us to have a second. 01:33:07
Awesome, thank you for hosting events instead of it just being just Grove Park 'cause that park is already very over programmed. 01:33:09
And then this trail. 01:33:17
Specifically, measures out to be 1/2 mile. 01:33:19
Around the park so that we could actually host. 01:33:22
Races here. 01:33:25
And so this is kind of like from a staff viewpoint, we think this would be ideal. 01:33:27
Of course it. 01:33:31
Comes down to what the public wants to see. 01:33:33
But what I am interested in? 01:33:35
Asking from the City Council is if. 01:33:38
There is any appetite to. 01:33:40
Agree with any of those ideas of us potentially going to make those edits. 01:33:42
So that we can. 01:33:47
I'm up it to your. 01:33:50
My first stock oil worker. 01:33:52
My first thought is you'll receive. 01:33:54
I think push back. 01:33:57
From the community about removing the volatilities aspect of the park. 01:33:58
And nobody from. 01:34:02
The South side of Vineyard wants to go to Utah City to use their old abilities park and no one from Utah City is going to go to 01:34:04
the South side of Vineyard to use the old abilities park. Is probably better to just have more all abilities parks. 01:34:09
I recognize that that comes. 01:34:15
At both the financial cost and a cost to. 01:34:16
Parking infrastructure. 01:34:20
I think. 01:34:22
It's beneficial for the community, especially when you think about putting on a soccer program or a baseball program. 01:34:23
Families take the whole family to the park for those events. 01:34:29
And the people that aren't participating in the soccer game are maybe playing on the playground equipment, so it's good to have 01:34:32
that. 01:34:35
For the family appeal, in my opinion. 01:34:37
If you don't mind, would you go back to the? 01:34:41
Current plan. 01:34:43
I agree with actually a lot of what she said about it maybe not being. 01:34:45
As efficiently used and it looks like the the planning. 01:34:49
Committee tried to or the planning department tried to put. 01:34:52
A lot in. 01:34:55
I I 100% agree with the dog park removal. Nobody wants to have that next to a community garden. 01:34:57
And my the question here. 01:35:02
Is directly South of the existing. 01:35:05
80 stalls of parking. 01:35:07
There's that green space. Is that just? 01:35:09
Grass. 01:35:11
And if it is just grass, why not extend parking into that? 01:35:12
You keep the all abilities part and that's not to say we couldn't. 01:35:16
Change the layout of. 01:35:19
Some of the hard to have. 01:35:21
The double baseball or the the soccer fields? 01:35:22
Way I really agree. I like what you said about moving the courts the pickleball and tennis. 01:35:26
So my thought would be can we extend parking? 01:35:32
South. 01:35:34
Keep the Allabilities park. 01:35:36
I don't know, that's just where my mind's at. 01:35:38
And, and the baseball part of that. 01:35:40
No, no, this is small part of it. Well, the problem is the back. 01:35:42
Backstop. 01:35:45
Let's see this. Could you go back to the first proposal? What was the garden, though, is what I'm. 01:35:47
Like so this is where he started Current baseball park setup. 01:35:52
'Cause like this sketch right here keeps the current baseball. 01:35:56
You know the existing. We'll know that one had an extra, I guess. 01:35:59
Right and in the middle of the soccer field, correct. He was stuck on that other one on the left side. 01:36:04
But I'm saying we you can hybridize those. 01:36:08
Keep the existing baseball infrastructure. 01:36:11
And still separate the new fields to be a soccer field. 01:36:14
I mean it would fit according to this and his sketch. 01:36:19
Let's do this. Let me look. Let's. 01:36:23
1.1 over here. Let's do this. Let's start like. 01:36:24
Start the next one back. 01:36:27
The the one previous, let's have a discussion. 01:36:29
No. Grove Park. Grove Park. I'm sorry. Hold account. Go to Grove Park. 01:36:32
So this right here, this this current state right here. 01:36:36
But this one it currently is yes. 01:36:39
Yes, and then you propose. 01:36:41
So let's. 01:36:43
Discuss the proposals that Brian offered on this first one in Kyiv Super. 01:36:44
Sequentially go through your presentation on this be alright. 01:36:47
Yeah. So this is I think I. 01:36:50
I think. 01:36:52
Where I'm at, I like the idea of getting rid of the dog park. I think that's why it's not having dogs next to the biggest. 01:36:53
Park in the city I. 01:36:58
OK. I would offer that. 01:37:00
So, yeah, OK, so I. 01:37:01
Couple history on this this big central corridor plan. 01:37:04
It was it was done. They hired a firm to come in and they they had people put. 01:37:07
Thoughts on maps and things like that and so forth. It was all. 01:37:11
But that's all wishlist. No, no one. They asked me, would you like to have this yesterday, November city. 01:37:14
No one else. Would you be willing to pay this much to have this in your city for sure, right? Never. Never has. Once. 01:37:19
And so and so I will. 01:37:24
Also, we're programming a lot of land out here that's not ours to program. 01:37:26
We're programming a lot of wetlands out there which we have no control. 01:37:30
And so it seems to me that that that that. 01:37:34
Corridor planned. 01:37:37
Was was flawed to start with? 01:37:38
Wave 1 and in fact this we're we're kind of using land we can. 01:37:40
The flowers to use. 01:37:44
I don't mind editing, I think it needs to be almost scrapped to start again practically. 01:37:45
But but but but I think we. 01:37:49
But I really want to be careful that we're not including. 01:37:53
Land that we don't have rights. 01:37:56
Two programs longer and what's the necessity for any of the programming in that wetlands area? 01:37:58
Nothing. Yeah, the community just wanted it to be walking trails. Well, previous administration wanted it to be. 01:38:05
Programmed is in the sense that there's the trail that goes all the way around it and there's the wood bridge that goes through, 01:38:13
right. 01:38:16
Bridges, plural. 01:38:19
So. 01:38:21
Confused it. 01:38:22
I guess it would just be an expansion of that. 01:38:23
So they they said they have gone through it, done delineation. 01:38:26
On the wetlands, yeah, 'cause not all the dead. 01:38:29
You get red eliminated, then could become usable. 01:38:33
Space there. 01:38:35
Sorry, been a state office completed yet? The scene would answer that further, but even behind here. 01:38:36
We've talked about rehabilitating that so that we could utilize. 01:38:41
Summit space. It was technical wetlands, but sure it was only wetlands because. 01:38:45
There have been like farmers in back in the day, they put water there in the United Kingdom for some of that too. 01:38:49
In winter times it was wet. 01:38:55
But it's been dry the last. 01:38:57
30 years. 01:38:58
Yeah, we have the flood irrigated and whatnot. 01:39:00
And if you ask me a lot, I'll park into Moorpark. 01:39:03
I I am just. 01:39:06
My perspective also a little bit. 01:39:09
Surprise. 01:39:12
That's how I mean if. 01:39:14
Presented 3 different parks. 01:39:16
And all three of these parks have a dog park. 01:39:17
Aspects to them. 01:39:20
And as I go back to what you're saying, David, like everyone at at the time, right there was a lot of we wanted. 01:39:22
Dogs and. 01:39:29
Yeah, 26 reality, right. So one thing about about the wetlands, I mean. 01:39:31
Yeah, they're drying out there wasn't fiscal irrigation. There's springs throughout there, Sure. And there's there's more rain in 01:39:36
the air to toggle springs are more active, yes. 01:39:39
And so if you look at a map you can you can see vegetation where all drains out. So so we have to keep. 01:39:43
I mean, it will always necessarily be a. 01:39:48
You know, as dry as as now. 01:39:50
So we have to be aware of that. You want to build, you want to build something on that for Spring anything. 01:39:52
Right. Yeah. 01:39:56
So there's reasons for. 01:39:57
Is that's it the way it is? 01:39:59
We need. 01:40:01
We need to double check and make sure we really are uh. 01:40:01
Building or designing things to be built on land that really should be built on number 1. So that's that's a big concern. 01:40:04
If we're programming, I'm gonna say OK, we should have. 01:40:10
We could put a trail through here and have a raised bridge. Oh, that's OK. 01:40:13
But but you know, but we're feeling, you're feeling a course down for the South as well worth along that plan. 01:40:16
It's just, it's a concern and and. 01:40:22
And I don't. I never liked the layout of the other plant. The other. 01:40:24
The other. 01:40:28
You know, the clay. The clay. 01:40:29
That played with the. 01:40:31
Problems Do Robins land? 01:40:32
I I never have liked that. I think that's very poor use of it. So if, if we can find a way better laid that out fine. I don't. 01:40:34
Ugliest park? Yeah, we probably need lunch. 01:40:40
But all those for before we need one. 01:40:42
But but the layout. 01:40:46
Sucks. It doesn't make any sense. 01:40:48
Hi, use of existing facilities at all? 01:40:50
So on the slide that you have up right now, my my initial thought is I. 01:40:54
Generally support. 01:40:59
Everything to the West. 01:41:01
Of the. 01:41:03
North Trail. 01:41:04
In the center. 01:41:05
And everything to the east seems. 01:41:07
Unnecessary. 01:41:10
OK, is my opinion. 01:41:12
So you're just saying? 01:41:14
As it currently sits, just go in the parking lot. 01:41:15
The the North Park language right now, it's even changed with the pickleball courts. Yeah, right. But. 01:41:18
But I like the layout on. 01:41:24
The West Side. 01:41:26
And on the. 01:41:28
East Side, I think there's a lot of cost savings that you just. 01:41:30
You don't have to. You don't need to raise boardwalks right now, correct to add to. 01:41:33
Well, yeah, I. 01:41:38
I I would agree I. 01:41:39
In my mind, I thought it was done. The race war, I thought all those things, they exist. They exist. Chris is a building. That's 01:41:41
what I'm saying. Some of them exist. 01:41:45
That's what I'm saying. In my mind I thought, well, it existed, was. 01:41:48
Final state like oh this. 01:41:51
Great, So I. 01:41:53
Happy with where it is today. 01:41:54
Play the committee come. 01:41:57
Please we have a comment about. 01:42:01
The other part when we get there. 01:42:07
But I. 01:42:09
Attended both of. 01:42:13
The town halls. 01:42:15
For this. 01:42:17
Specifically for the fishhook. 01:42:19
Art and whether or not it's it's practical. 01:42:21
But there there was a lot of. 01:42:27
Public support. 01:42:29
At that time. 01:42:30
Or or some trails. 01:42:32
Now, again, we're not engineered. 01:42:34
But we're just letting it know there was. 01:42:36
And then? 01:42:40
I think that's what the Council member Larae is saying, is that. 01:42:41
These things were presented as a wish list. 01:42:44
And of course, everybody wants to accept all of the improvements that you can get to your parks and your infrastructure. Everyone 01:42:47
wants to have the better place. 01:42:51
So we're not ever going to get a no on that until it comes to. 01:42:55
What are you willing to pay for it? 01:42:58
I would bring a lot of money to some. 01:43:00
So Graph Experiment Boston to go out and cram everything into it in this picture. 01:43:02
I mean just in the 1st. 01:43:07
2 presentation aspects. 01:43:08
We've now essentially. 01:43:11
Gone over when? 01:43:13
The Parks and Rec department would have had money for by $300,000 and then every additional thing that we talk about. 01:43:14
Is further going over that. 01:43:21
And then there becomes a need to either. 01:43:23
Full budget from other places for increased taxes and I'm not willing to increase taxes and I'm. 01:43:25
Fully budget from another place is difficult when you start doing it in hundreds of thousands of dollar increments. And I have no 01:43:31
no. 01:43:34
Opposition to making a wish list and prioritizing it. 01:43:37
I think that's a great idea. And then doing it with the wrap taps overtime. 01:43:40
I would, however we do it that four times, yeah. 01:43:43
Ezra, did you have? 01:43:46
He had a comment. 01:43:47
Yeah, yeah. Sorry. My my comments are just gonna second that at Parker's a little bit. I'm and I'm sorry I missed the the early 01:43:48
part of the meeting here. 01:43:51
But it sounds like you guys talked about the budget a little bit. 01:43:55
Yeah. I mean, at the end of the day, I think. 01:43:59
We've got a lot of. 01:44:02
Great ideas out there. 01:44:04
And I think the best direction that we could give. 01:44:05
To to Brian, as if. 01:44:08
If there is some long-term planning needs. 01:44:10
That he. 01:44:13
That we we can give him the direction to say. 01:44:15
Yes, we, we are. 01:44:17
We're supportive of you making changes to these existing master plans, given that none of these improvements are going to be done. 01:44:19
The next half decade or. 01:44:25
Or or so on SO. 01:44:28
If we can just focus on, hey, what do we want to accomplish in the next two years? 01:44:30
I think. 01:44:34
Like a skate park is probably. 01:44:35
A project that would take. 01:44:37
Roughly that time. 01:44:39
And. 01:44:40
There are some plans that we can start on some of this other stuff, but. 01:44:42
As far as resources go, we're not going to have the like that parking lot alone. 01:44:45
Is like $2,000,000 because we've got to. 01:44:49
Create all of the underlying stormwater infrastructure to make that still work as a detention basin. 01:44:51
But then have parking on top of it. 01:44:56
And so when you start to think about. 01:44:58
The cost and the scale of these. 01:45:00
Types of projects. 01:45:02
I think we just need to scale back and say, OK, realistically what can we get done with this budget? 01:45:04
In these couple years. 01:45:08
Focus on that. 01:45:10
And then give that direction that yes, we are willing to change or look at anything. 01:45:12
Despite these existing plans that that we have. 01:45:17
That we have. 01:45:20
And we hope some grants, if you find grants that cover some of these things along the Bush list, that's great, we can move them 01:45:24
up. 01:45:27
I'm happy to write letters of recommendation for any grants. We love the grants. 01:45:30
I get like if we could narrow down a wish list to like. 01:45:34
Here's 5 things that if you can get grants, go ahead and pursue. 01:45:39
That will be plenty of. 01:45:43
I mean, a lot of these grants are. 01:45:45
Like 6 month long cycles of applying and getting the funding and all that stuff so we can narrow it down to like. 01:45:47
Here's the two concrete things we're gonna do. 01:45:53
Here's the five wish list, things we're going to do, and then everything else. 01:45:55
We're going to punt that discussion until. 01:45:59
Sometime in the. 01:46:02
Sometimes, probably after we're done serving. 01:46:03
I think that would be incredible direction to give to. 01:46:08
To these guys. 01:46:11
Thank you, Ezra. 01:46:14
Umm. So I just wanted to clarify a few concerns that. 01:46:15
Council member Loray brought up. 01:46:19
Before we arrive at any plant in the city. 01:46:22
It goes through a couple of processes, right? 01:46:25
And. 01:46:27
We're not just in the planning department. 01:46:28
Programming people's. 01:46:31
They're a part of the conversation. 01:46:33
So even before it gets to the point where public. 01:46:34
Gets involvement on Hey, can we put this here or there? 01:46:38
They have allowed that. 01:46:41
To happen or they're willing to work with the city. 01:46:43
To make that happen. 01:46:45
And there are a lot of moving parts to get to that point. 01:46:47
A bunch of conversations. 01:46:51
Move things to that and having this. 01:46:53
Plan and and again, I'm not making a case to have it all. 01:46:55
Be implemented now. 01:46:59
But it just. 01:47:00
Guides the growth of the city. 01:47:01
You don't wanna say, OK, we don't have a long term. 01:47:03
10-15 years out plan. 01:47:07
But. 01:47:09
Maybe this year we'll do a park here, corner. 01:47:10
How about another part next door? You know you don't want to do that. You want to. 01:47:13
Fish and you know, envision what's gonna happen and then piece meal. 01:47:16
And there's a, you know, standard practice and planning where after every 5. 01:47:20
To 10 years depend on how long that plan was planned out for. You want to revise that, you want to review it and say, hey, does it 01:47:24
make sense? 01:47:28
Parks meets five years ago. It's not the same as what we need right now. 01:47:32
Dog park was a big issue back in the day. 01:47:36
I don't think it's the same thing right now. 01:47:39
Maybe it is. 01:47:40
We don't know. 01:47:41
So it's essential that we do. 01:47:42
These long term style planning because it's. 01:47:45
It just guides what direction we're going and within that. 01:47:48
Time to review that if you think. 01:47:51
There's this direction in there that you're not. 01:47:53
Happy with? 01:47:56
That's what gives you the chance to, that's why your council members like. 01:47:57
We don't like this initial direction. 01:48:00
In the next 5-10 years. 01:48:02
We can change that up. 01:48:04
So I asked what is the actual? 01:48:06
Timeline or timeline for this master plan? Because it wasn't presented in that frame and so. 01:48:08
I I guess so it's I'll admit that I'm guilty of. 01:48:14
You guys are presenting this. I'm thinking these are all things that you're asking to do. 01:48:16
No. 01:48:20
I'm looking at is this a 15 year plan? Is this? 01:48:22
A10 year plan what? What's the actual? Yeah, that's great cycle for this. 01:48:30
Yeah. So this would be like this is like a. 01:48:34
Sorry, say again, Ezra. 01:48:38
Sorry, I can I can chime in on that too for for your guys's benefit. 01:48:40
It's, it's whatever resources we want to give them like this right now. As it stands, we're saying operate within your existing 01:48:43
budget. 01:48:47
This turns into a. 01:48:51
Never going to happen to a plan like 50 year plus. 01:48:53
But if we're saying, hey, we want to make strategic investments. 01:48:56
XY or Z? 01:48:59
Then like I mean anything can happen. 01:49:01
With the appropriate amount of resources. 01:49:03
And the appropriate amount of focus so. 01:49:06
For for us, I think. 01:49:09
That's the clear vision of. 01:49:10
We're giving you. 01:49:12
Your existing budget. 01:49:13
Plus any grants you can acquire. 01:49:15
And then now go ahead and answer that question, Brian. 01:49:18
That's perfect. Yeah. And I. 01:49:22
Thanks for clarifying that, Ezra. I would. 01:49:24
Definitely say yeah this is a long term thing and happy to. 01:49:26
Get some funding for that through with what Ezra had previously said. 01:49:30
I'd like to see maybe. 01:49:35
You know what's Over the next five years, what are the top priorities? 01:49:36
OK, what has the most community feedback or or support for? 01:49:40
If you could include that in your survey. 01:49:44
And seeing. 01:49:46
Thank you. I think everyone's in agreeance that the skate park is probably the top priority for Parks and Rec right now and 01:49:47
especially with a grant on the line like we want to pursue that actively and. 01:49:52
With vigor. 01:49:58
Yeah, so. 01:49:59
After that. 01:50:00
I mean that that largely speaks for all of the parks and Rec fund. 01:50:01
Through the completion of the skate park. 01:50:06
So then. 01:50:08
To my thought would be the next. 01:50:09
Planning step is OK. We know we have rap tax coming in roughly $20,000 a month moving forward. 01:50:10
What's the second priority? How long does it take for us to fund that work? 01:50:16
Fund it with rap tax and grants. 01:50:20
And then prioritize. OK, what's #3? 01:50:22
How long is it going to take to fund it? 01:50:25
Or can we get more grants for that? 01:50:27
I mean, that's what I. 01:50:28
I would want to see. 01:50:29
Yeah. And just to you know. 01:50:31
To what you've sent. 01:50:33
Haven't these plans again? 01:50:35
Is is beneficial? 01:50:37
To all of us. 01:50:40
You know a city. 01:50:41
Because it helps with the financial planning as well. And it also helps with again, I've talked about all the benefits of long 01:50:42
term planning, but. 01:50:46
It I just lost my train of thought but. 01:50:51
Help. Speeding grants. Yeah, that's what I'm gonna say. 01:50:55
If you don't have a plan, you cannot apply for a grant because how do you go and say I? 01:50:57
Wish to put up, you know, a dog park here? 01:51:02
What's the plan? How's it gonna look like? It doesn't have to be. 01:51:05
The same look, but they want to have that picture. You're selling division to them so you can get money. 01:51:08
And when you get the money? 01:51:13
It's not that you do what you want, but you build it the way you want it, not as it was. 01:51:15
Drawn here so. 01:51:20
That's the way around it and about why we need that. 01:51:21
Yeah, we're pro master plan. 01:51:25
I just need to understand that this is a 20 year question and not a we need. 01:51:27
$7,000,000 in the next two years. Vision No. 01:51:32
None of them. 01:51:35
Yeah, no money commitment here, just. 01:51:36
For I I think I think. 01:51:39
The the direction for you guys again, it's let's. 01:51:41
Focus on stick skate park. 01:51:45
Good alignment there. 01:51:46
Second priority would be. 01:51:48
Looking for grants for this other stuff is kind of gonna go. 01:51:50
Board and then I think too you. 01:51:53
We're gonna have a lot more clarity. 01:51:54
So once we go through our first budget process, what adjustments are we able to make that are reasonable for that? 01:51:56
And then? 01:52:01
And what? 01:52:02
Money we can loosen up and and. 01:52:03
You know what? What do we want to get back to the citizens, and what do we want to? 01:52:05
Reinvest for future. 01:52:08
Growth. Yeah, it's gonna be real helpful. So I think it'll be a lot more clarity. 01:52:09
Forthcoming on this over the budget process which is you know. 01:52:13
That's your starting to meet so. 01:52:17
OK, so the last thing I would say about this. 01:52:20
I guess. 01:52:23
Regarding the planning team, as this was done before the Parks and Rec master plan, but it's like they didn't have all that 01:52:25
information yet. 01:52:28
Gathered with us. 01:52:31
The person that really oversaw this isn't on the current. 01:52:33
Slacking team and so. 01:52:36
It was new. It was a new project and. 01:52:38
Anyway, I feel like I kind of move under the bus and I. 01:52:40
Don't mean so I I honestly I just spell it back. So no, you did try it now. 01:52:42
OK, so let's move on from that one. 01:52:48
Lakeside Park Agreement. 01:52:51
So this kind of ties into why I wanted to. 01:52:55
Talk about. 01:52:58
Last one. 01:52:59
Lakeside Park is. 01:53:01
Mostly owned by Orem City. 01:53:04
And partly owned by Vineyard. 01:53:06
This portion here. 01:53:10
Is Vineyard own land? 01:53:13
It's about 10 acres. 01:53:15
And. 01:53:18
Based off of an agreement that we have with Orem that was entered into many, many years ago. 01:53:19
We do not have access to program. 01:53:25
This land. 01:53:27
And we don't pay anything for this land or maintains it or programs it. 01:53:29
But we're in a situation in Parks and Rec where our programs, we just have so many. 01:53:35
Kids here and coming. 01:53:40
That are. 01:53:43
We are. 01:53:44
At capacity for Grove Park. 01:53:46
And so. 01:53:48
This just kind of seems like the. 01:53:49
Next step as far as. 01:53:52
Acquiring. 01:53:54
Property. 01:53:55
And so. 01:53:58
This last year we went and got the land appraised to determine what the value is and it's worth $5 million. 01:53:59
And. 01:54:08
So essentially there's. 01:54:09
There's a few different routes that we've. 01:54:10
I mean. 01:54:13
There's a lot of routes we could go about with this. 01:54:13
Orem City is interested in billing. 01:54:17
More parking. 01:54:20
There's been parking issues on 400 S for a really long time. 01:54:22
Just there's just not sufficient parking. 01:54:27
And they've wanted to build a parking lot on vineyards. 01:54:30
Portion of land. 01:54:36
And so that's kind of the skin that they. 01:54:39
That's kind of like what they're helping for with this park. 01:54:41
This is also a. 01:54:43
Economic impact. 01:54:45
Hub for them. 01:54:47
Right, so. 01:54:48
Having Vineyard come in and us just split it and say, OK, Vineyard, we're gonna take care of our portion. 01:54:50
Or I'm gonna take care of their portion. 01:54:56
That that is not ideal for them, that really just. 01:54:58
Kinda hurts all of their long term planning and I think. 01:55:01
That would really put us in a crutch. 01:55:05
Relationship with with Oram. 01:55:08
And so we've been meeting with them this past year to try and figure out, you know, what's a win, win situation that we could 01:55:10
have. 01:55:14
Umm, one option is. 01:55:18
We could just. 01:55:19
Amend the contract. 01:55:22
And just get use of. 01:55:23
Our specific land portion for you know, a couple nights a week for certain time frame and then we just help. 01:55:26
Cover some of the maintenance costs. 01:55:33
Another option which seemed to be. 01:55:36
Uh, really? A win win. 01:55:38
Is. 01:55:40
So they like to host tournaments here. 01:55:43
And it's hard for them to compete against. 01:55:45
Like the Epic park in Provo where they have many more fields. 01:55:49
And so if we were to have. 01:55:55
Fields. 01:55:57
Near to this? 01:55:59
That we could then. 01:56:01
Basically work with forum to host tournaments. 01:56:02
We could. 01:56:05
Potentially get tourism tax. 01:56:06
Money. Get a. 01:56:09
Big Grant. 01:56:11
To. 01:56:13
Potentially. 01:56:15
Partner with them host hermit. So let me. 01:56:16
Just show you a picture. 01:56:19
So there's been. 01:56:21
Research into this parcel here. 01:56:24
This is right next to the holdaway fields development. 01:56:27
This is owned by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and they own a number of properties along 400 S. 01:56:31
They're very interested in getting property up in Utah City and they've been in conversations with them. 01:56:38
And trying to work out a deal. 01:56:44
With that but essentially. 01:56:46
An idea that we've had is. 01:56:48
If that is able to work out to where the church is able to get land up there, it's possible we might be able to get this land 01:56:51
granted to the city. 01:56:56
And we could use the T tab funding. 01:57:01
To then pay for the build out of this parcel. 01:57:03
To build a park and it would have two soccer fields on there. 01:57:07
And then? 01:57:11
Essentially, we could have. 01:57:14
Forum kind of pay us off if we wanted to sell our portion of land. 01:57:15
To forum. So basically they're getting their. 01:57:19
Wish list. 01:57:22
And we're getting access to the fields that. 01:57:23
We're helping to get access to. 01:57:26
So the hope is that there wouldn't be any. 01:57:28
Necessarily any financial impact. 01:57:31
To the city and inspires this property exact so three would land swap church. 01:57:33
So. 01:57:39
Howard so Utah City so the church would provide land from Utah City. 01:57:40
Uh-huh. OK, so then violent from Utah City and then this. 01:57:44
That would become her dumb because I do have that other. 01:57:47
Church that just went in. 01:57:49
Right. 01:57:50
Richard. 01:57:51
Bryson on my board, we're fighting over, he gets, he's at the building property, just ignore it so. 01:57:54
Yeah, right, right here. They were his parcel for church. Oh, OK, so. 01:57:59
OK, so they have a ton of property down here, but they they want land up north there. OK. So so to them it's like, oh, this is 01:58:04
great if we can get lined up there like. 01:58:08
They're totally open to. Would you have discussions with the church about? 01:58:13
Them selling that to. 01:58:17
But what so So walk me through this so Utah City then violent up there or I'm with. 01:58:20
By that and then grant us. 01:58:26
This and then we would just do a land swap with them. 01:58:29
Yeah, basically, but we would have to. 01:58:32
Figure out with or how exactly that would work? Like would they be earmarking? 01:58:34
Half $1,000,000 a year of their rap tax or whatever it would come to us for. 01:58:37
10 years for 10 years until it's paying off. 01:58:42
So there's a, there's a number of things that we could do that's. 01:58:46
That's kind of the visual. 01:58:49
Idea. 01:58:50
Because technically. 01:58:51
It's our land, right? 01:58:53
The up at the Lakeside Park. 01:58:55
But then OK, have you? 01:58:57
That makes a lot of sense. Has anyone talked to Oram about just selling? 01:58:59
The land at the lakeside park outright and then using that money. 01:59:02
To develop the field infrastructure that we need to run the programs that you want to run. 01:59:07
I'm not sure if I totally understand your question. So you made the comment we have that that section. 01:59:12
Of uh. 01:59:17
The lakeside Sports Complex that we can't program. 01:59:18
Yeah. 01:59:21
And looking at it, it really can't be developed beyond parking. 01:59:22
I mean, based on the math, I'm just kind of, I'm looking at the reality of it. Nobody's putting a structure there really ain't 01:59:25
going to send. 01:59:28
Aurum wants it for parking. 01:59:32
Can we sell it to Orem for $5,000,000? Take that $5,000,000 as fund for the Parks and Rec. 01:59:34
To build the fields where like. 01:59:40
To the Gammon Park. 01:59:42
And actually set up stuff so that you can run your programming there. 01:59:44
Would that alleviate the problem of? 01:59:48
You need the space to run programming. 01:59:50
We can't do it at Lakeside. 01:59:52
We could sell it. 01:59:54
We could use the money to. 01:59:55
Make more space. The benefit of doing it down here is you get 2 more soccer field and you get a park. Closer to the South end. We 01:59:56
have our parks. 02:00:00
Yeah, or and I. 02:00:04
And I like what you're saying too, that when you left after. 02:00:05
If we get like a reasonably significant soccer complex, which is probably would. 02:00:08
Get us across the finish line, then we go after the tours packs. 02:00:12
As are you familiar with that? 02:00:15
That comes to the state, right is. 02:00:17
And is this. 02:00:20
Ezra, what are your thoughts on this? 02:00:22
Tourism tax grants come through the county. 02:00:26
Yeah, this, this is a really interesting parcel and it'd be interesting to see what what the community down there. 02:00:30
Thinks about it. 02:00:36
I mean, I've always. 02:00:37
Always agreed that. 02:00:39
This would be much more valuable in Oram's hands, given that we can't program it right now. 02:00:42
But I know there was some. 02:00:47
Basically historical like. 02:00:49
This was our last stake. 02:00:51
In in preventing from being taken over by Orem. Kind of. 02:00:53
Kind of deal, honestly, I think as long as we can get access to that park. 02:00:57
And if you go back to that first map where you had like the satellite imagery of. 02:01:03
Of the park, so maybe 2 slides back. 02:01:08
Yeah, right there you can kind of see. So there's. 02:01:12
There's a. 02:01:16
Holdaway Rd. there. 02:01:18
And there's that like yellow patch of grass that's basically like a perfect. 02:01:20
Connection into that other trail there. 02:01:25
Not that one. So that little the. 02:01:28
So let's see. 02:01:30
What direction am I facing? 02:01:32
That's the right picture, so go back to that picture. 02:01:33
So you see where the road ends. 02:01:36
And then there's that. 02:01:37
Yellow. 02:01:38
It almost looks like a trail, but it's actually just. 02:01:40
Beaten grass from where you can tell people you're just walking down there. 02:01:42
And they walk right over there to get to that. Yeah, right in there. 02:01:45
And how it leads up. 02:01:49
Like right into. 02:01:50
The other side street by that cul-de-sac. 02:01:52
So yeah, so, so go to the right. 02:01:59
On that map. 02:02:02
And then follow that road. 02:02:03
Down to the terminus of that road there. 02:02:05
Not that one, sorry, too far. 02:02:08
That little Rd. 02:02:09
Yeah, yeah. 02:02:11
At the station, that's the Oram Lip station. 02:02:12
You can. 02:02:16
So there's just that little string of grass like, right? 02:02:18
If you go directly up, yeah, right there. 02:02:21
So not that one necessarily, but the one next to it we're. 02:02:24
Actually, even both areas. 02:02:27
Basically, you can tell people are crossing over from Vineyard into this park. 02:02:28
And so as long as we can. 02:02:32
One, maintain that connection. 02:02:34
I think that that's an essential part that that people want to continue to see. 02:02:36
But it'd be awesome if we could maybe even sell. 02:02:40
The property for less than market value. 02:02:43
But then get. 02:02:46
A discount for. 02:02:48
For people in. 02:02:49
The city or even in this area, the South part of the city to be able to like join the programs there. I don't know if they they 02:02:51
are participating in. 02:02:55
And it but it'd be. 02:02:59
It almost be a shame to have like. 02:03:00
Hey, great. 02:03:03
Programmable use. 02:03:05
Here and then have one. 02:03:07
Kind of near it as well, but one's vineyard and one's orum when it's. 02:03:09
It's like, hey, we can all just. 02:03:12
Collaborate a little bit better. 02:03:14
Anyway, those are just some of my initial thoughts. 02:03:18
It'd be great to get some feedback from. 02:03:20
From that community to see how how important it is for them to maintain. 02:03:22
That Vineyard ownership. 02:03:27
And try to see what we could do to better better utilize that space. 02:03:29
It's kind of like awkward, Yeah, it's like an awkward because I've run through them pretty regularly. 02:03:39
Back. I mean it, it's got. 02:03:43
Just to the. 02:03:45
Northeast across the. 02:03:47
Path there, it's like that's a drainage. 02:03:49
Yeah, section. So that can't be used for anything. 02:03:52
The side that we're talking about, maybe, like David said, it was used for soccer. 02:03:55
It's not big enough for an actual soccer field. It's used for like Little League practices. Well, they actually do run Soccer 02:03:59
League all the time. I can tell you I've been listen, listen to him all the time. 02:04:04
Right across from. 02:04:09
I'm saying that dead patch of grass, that yellow piece, yes. 02:04:10
They actually run soccer games there all the time. 02:04:14
I think. 02:04:18
You're referencing. 02:04:18
The fields both. 02:04:20
East and northeast. 02:04:21
Well, all I know is that the people at the end of that cul-de-sac, you can see that very bottom of the screen there at the very 02:04:23
end and that the the house there. 02:04:27
They have they have their cleave lights right there in the backside of it and they have and they're shining in their windows all 02:04:30
the time and they and they have gamers on on that green turf field. They have green page on the green turf. They also have games 02:04:34
going on that on that. 02:04:39
Yellow section there as well. They go right there on three games down there. 02:04:43
So just like little like. 02:04:46
5-6 year olds just I don't know how old they are usually those are the like they weren't tiny tots are doing the practice stuff. 02:04:48
Playing or whatever, just just just saying they, they do have they, they do have that lined out as a field and they use it. 02:04:55
Sure, I love this. I love this exactly. 02:05:01
He was back or not. They saw they use it. 02:05:04
Yeah, I think, I think it's a great idea to have that conversation though and see if we could just. 02:05:10
Partner with Orem. 02:05:15
On this, we definitely want to make sure whatever it is that happens, we keep it open. 02:05:16
For our residents as well. 02:05:21
We'd hate to like sell it to them and then they just build a fence around it and. 02:05:22
Say alright, this is just ORM space only. 02:05:26
And that's really why we. 02:05:29
Insisted on keeping this when Vineyard was. 02:05:31
First incorporated from. 02:05:33
From my understanding. 02:05:35
So. 02:05:41
The what's what the ask on this. Let's circle back to the ask Brian, are you looking for direction on? 02:05:42
Kind of where we're at on this. 02:05:47
Yeah, I was kind of next step. So if there's any additional research that you want us to do? 02:05:49
From the staff side. 02:05:54
Happy to. 02:05:57
Yeah. 02:05:58
Do it. I'd be supportive of. 02:05:59
I'm working with Orem to see if we can. 02:06:04
Come to an agreement for the sale of that property. 02:06:06
As long as. 02:06:09
We maintain a tree or we create a trail that kind of connects these two. 02:06:11
Like that trail into into some city network. 02:06:15
And then? 02:06:19
Explore options where we could have discounts for our residents to. 02:06:22
To use it and we can work that into the purchase price. I don't think it, I don't think Orem is probably interested in buying 02:06:26
that. 02:06:29
Or $5,000,000 to just put parking there. Maybe they are if. 02:06:33
So then, great. 02:06:36
But if maybe we could negotiate a discount to that appraised value? 02:06:38
In exchange for. 02:06:42
Huge benefit to our residents and that connectivity. 02:06:43
I think we could. 02:06:46
We could work something out there. 02:06:47
The Housewife. 02:06:54
It's the West. 02:06:57
Or about this property rate? 02:07:00
Where they store all their. 02:07:02
I I think that I'm aligned better. I think if the discussion going forum alike. 02:07:04
Anytime the church is willing and able to sell land, I think that's. 02:07:08
Especially kind of the whole. 02:07:13
Concept I like. 02:07:15
Of. 02:07:17
The the length I mean, I'll I'll all work out but. 02:07:18
I think the the direction. 02:07:21
Is can you forward in discussion with them and see what we can? 02:07:22
With the kind of the parameters as outlined. 02:07:28
And I think it's it's a, it's. 02:07:30
Sound idea. 02:07:32
Workflows in one morning. 02:07:34
I agree pursuit of three-way swab, but with with conditions that Ezra's talking about, yeah. 02:07:36
OK. Brian, just because of the some of the stuff I've dealt with at the school there because that trail was used by the students 02:07:41
to give in elementary as well. 02:07:46
Yes, and probably 1.9 beginnings that that still connects to our level. 02:07:50
For students coming from Vineyard. 02:07:54
School through the park they slaughtered. Yeah, they're just the current plan. The current failed plan calls for a trail across 02:07:57
there in a connection. 02:08:01
We would need to make sure that's part of the part of the overall agreement, but that that plan stays in place. 02:08:05
That others put in place. 02:08:09
Get correct. 02:08:12
Sounds good. 02:08:13
So we'll look forward with that and then I'll just probably whoever the City Council 1 is thing. 02:08:14
Parks and Rec, I'll probably. 02:08:19
Have the council member come in the meetings with more and kind of be the voice for City Council and we'll come back. 02:08:21
I I think we're all pretty wide on this. It sounds like so. 02:08:27
As we're going to say, one one last thing. 02:08:30
Yeah, I'd love to get the engineers involved in that conversation because we can clean up. 02:08:33
You know, if they expand their parking lot, we could have another entrance that. 02:08:37
Doesn't make. 02:08:40
The one. 02:08:41
By the school so messy I know we're working on some stuff over there so. 02:08:42
Anyway, we can kind of. 02:08:45
Make that a part of it as well. 02:08:47
They we clean up that intersection or or the access into the parking there. 02:08:49
To make it safer for the kids walking and. 02:08:54
People turning left out of there would be amazing. 02:08:56
Uplight, that's going in right there and realigning the 600 E with the entrance to that parking lot. 02:09:00
Seems here you can talk about it. We got a grant for this here. 02:09:06
Yeah. May I look at that? 02:09:08
Yes, Yeah, it's already happened. We're we're already I know we're moving forward on that. So I mean this is great timing to. 02:09:10
Have that conversation so we can design that. 02:09:15
Or maybe even tweak the design to make it fit. 02:09:18
If we're. 02:09:20
You know, I'll have them expand their parking, I think. 02:09:21
Huge umm. 02:09:24
Well, I've got I have a hard stop. 02:09:27
In like 5 minutes. 02:09:29
Do you have anything else? Well, we we would still. 02:09:30
2:30. 02:09:32
Was that the the planner one was at 3? 02:09:33
03, Yeah, OK. 02:09:36
Do you want to keep going? I just gotta run to my next appointment. I can. 02:09:37
Call in and listen. I think so. 02:09:40
Just is that OK? Yeah, we can send you the link. 02:09:42
Do you have a mayor? Both end. 02:09:46
A sign Parker, All duties of mayor Pro Tem. 02:09:49
Open next appointment. Thank you, Mayor. 02:09:52
You guys are awesome. Thank you. Honestly, thank you so much for your hard work on this. Great. 02:09:55
You did your time, David. 02:10:02
Awesome. OK, so I wanted to ensure we gave time to our. 02:10:06
Recreation Manager and our Parks manager to just give you a rundown on. 02:10:11
On their team and and what they like to highlight and. 02:10:16
They do a phenomenal job. I'll have Zach Fady go first. He's our recreation manager. 02:10:19
He's been here for over a year. He. 02:10:26
Came from American Fork and his. 02:10:28
Been absolutely phenomenal. 02:10:30
And he recently was. 02:10:33
Selected to be. 02:10:36
The president-elect for. 02:10:38
The Central Utah Recreation and Parks Association and so. 02:10:41
That really is a phenomenal opportunity, not only for him, but for us in the city and as a county. 02:10:45
To just. 02:10:51
Learn and grow from his expertise. So I'll go ahead and. 02:10:53
Driven time over. 02:10:57
You just a second. 02:10:59
Cool, awesome. Thank you. 02:11:35
For that, yeah. Like so. I'm Zach. 02:11:36
Beatty, I'm the rec manager. 02:11:39
I'll be brief to save some time for. 02:11:42
Parks and know. 02:11:44
I know we're running up against it here, but. 02:11:46
I wanted to start, so this is Bryce. 02:11:50
They were the fall soccer champions this year. So we heard from Bryce and then. 02:11:53
Ethan Sewell was our Volunteer of the Year so. 02:11:56
That's kind of a fun picture to get us started. 02:11:59
How do I advance my slides? 02:12:02
Cool, so this is the team. 02:12:09
These are all of our full time and administrative staff. So obviously we report to Brian. 02:12:11
And then our two current rec coordinators are Ben King and Aaron Kohler. Aaron's actually here over. 02:12:17
Uh, sitting in our gallery. So, umm. 02:12:24
I wanted to recognize him. 02:12:27
And then depending on the year and what funding is looking like, occasionally we have a recreation intern. 02:12:28
As well, that position is currently. 02:12:34
Vacant because it did not get approved for this current fiscal year. 02:12:37
All right, so. 02:12:43
These are kind of how we. 02:12:44
Distribute responsibilities for the recreation team right now. 02:12:45
Everything that is highlighted in yellow. 02:12:50
Either our new divisions. 02:12:53
Or. 02:12:55
New, completely new programs that we are offering over the last year. 02:12:56
Or plan to in the next. 02:13:00
Four months. 02:13:02
Offer SO. 02:13:03
You can kind of see there were. 02:13:04
Expanding what we're offering, we're trying to. 02:13:06
Have something for everybody. 02:13:10
Lots of. 02:13:12
These divisions added are for older grades. As our community gets older, we're looking to. 02:13:13
Keep them involved in recreation. 02:13:19
And give them opportunity to do so. 02:13:21
All right. I'm just going to kind of run through our calendar year real quick. 02:13:26
Umm, so starting at the beginning of the year. 02:13:29
We run a toddler sports every. 02:13:32
Tuesday Thursday in January. 02:13:35
Posted at Vineyard Elementary School. 02:13:37
And then we had 638. 02:13:39
Junior jazz participants, we run that. 02:13:42
Program. 02:13:44
Kindergarten through 6th grade. 02:13:45
We're using all of our four. 02:13:46
Schools to offer those programs. So that's Vineyard Elementary. 02:13:49
Trailside Elementary, Franklin Academy and Freedom Prep. 02:13:53
In the spring. 02:13:59
We host a gold rest race. Last year we had 382 participants. It is the biggest Vineyard race we've had up to this point. 02:14:00
This year we're projecting 420. 02:14:07
To just continue to grow that. 02:14:10
It's, it's very popular, It's a. 02:14:13
We're adding another race this year we hope to host forward. 02:14:15
Total this year. 02:14:18
We've had eight adult soccer teams. 02:14:20
And over. 02:14:22
1000 youth soccer participants last year. 02:14:24
In the summer, we're doing a little bit of everything. 02:14:30
It's by far our busiest time of year. 02:14:33
We offer. 02:14:35
Baseball program. 02:14:37
From three years old to. 02:14:38
1st and 2nd grade. We're looking at adding a third and 4th grade division this upcoming year. 02:14:41
Last year we received a street hockey grant. 02:14:47
To get some equipment and some sticks and we had 129 youth. 02:14:50
Age 3rd through 6th grade. Participate in that program. 02:14:54
We've built a youth tennis. 02:14:58
Program This is a program that goes all throughout the county. 02:15:01
We have 48 participants. 02:15:04
Use pickleball or just clinics posted here. Everybody in that program is. 02:15:07
Been your local. 02:15:12
We had 78. 02:15:13
And then we also offer on Wednesday mornings a senior pickleball free of charge to come play at Grove Park. 02:15:14
Throughout the summer we had 9. 02:15:20
Different people show up for that. 02:15:24
In the fall, we're running. 02:15:28
I need soccer again. 02:15:29
A little bit smaller program in the fall typically. 02:15:31
As people are busy with other. 02:15:34
Other programming. 02:15:38
We have 4 adult soccer teams. 02:15:39
We had almost 600. You soccer. 02:15:41
Flag football. We added a 5th and 6th grade division. 02:15:45
How the 2 are 18% increase up to 181? 02:15:49
And then we were completely full. We've sold out. 02:15:53
The week before the Blizzard race. 02:15:56
With 320 participants. 02:15:58
It was a beautiful day to run and everybody wanted to be there. 02:16:00
And then at the end of the year? 02:16:04
We host youth wrestling in correlation with. 02:16:06
And then high school, they host that program, they teach that program. We give them a portion of the revenues. 02:16:09
We had 15 participants. 02:16:14
We had 97 participants for youth volleyball this year. Didn't quite fill our program. 02:16:16
Just a little bit short. 02:16:22
And then this year, for the first time, we offered a. 02:16:23
Ski and snowboard lesson in correlation with. 02:16:26
Brighton Ski Resort. 02:16:29
We put a bunch of kids on a lay bus and had them go up for. 02:16:30
Three Saturdays and so. 02:16:34
That was a completely new program that's ages 8 to 18. 02:16:37
So, yeah, yeah, so. 02:16:41
That's how it works. They, they, they pay a fee and we hire a bus, allow that fee and and so it's a Med. 02:16:43
Washed for the city, How's that work? 02:16:49
Yeah. So really there's only two expenses that are associated with that program. One, we do pay bright and. 02:16:51
To for the instructors to host that program. 02:16:57
And then, yes, we did contract a bus. 02:17:00
And that came out of our programs budget. 02:17:03
We had a little bit. 02:17:06
Extra from fall soccer. 02:17:07
That was leftover, so I didn't. 02:17:10
Necessarily. 02:17:12
Like we had funds that were left over, I said this is a great use for them. 02:17:13
We got the fee schedule approved and we. 02:17:17
Ramp up program, yeah. 02:17:19
But there's there's no. 02:17:21
And overall, is there a? Is there? 02:17:22
An effort to try and make sure the programs pay for themselves. 02:17:24
Yes, absolutely. So we try our goal. 02:17:28
Is 125 cost? 02:17:30
Percent cost recovery on our programs. 02:17:32
Yeah, so give ourselves a little buffer some of the programs. 02:17:35
Are there? 02:17:39
Some of them are way above that and some of them don't. 02:17:40
Quite make it there so. 02:17:43
And I'm happy like when we get into the budget discussions here in the next couple months, like I'm happy to go through those. I 02:17:44
appreciate that have any idea how it works so. 02:17:48
Yeah. No, that's great. 02:17:51
All right, so this is how folks register for programming. We have a software. 02:17:55
It's called Sportsman Web. 02:18:00
Everybody who registers for. 02:18:02
Adult, uh. 02:18:05
Programming or youth programming, They're all very familiar with this site we use transferred to this program in 2023 and we've 02:18:06
been happy with it. 02:18:09
This is straight from our website so. 02:18:14
Who registers and reserves pavilions will be very familiar with that. 02:18:17
And then our races are actually a separate. 02:18:22
Software that we use, it's run sign up. 02:18:25
We use run sign up. 02:18:27
Because it. 02:18:28
They get an individual. 02:18:30
And the timing? 02:18:32
Associated with that bib. 02:18:33
And so it's a. 02:18:34
Kind of 1/3 company who runs those timings and it's. 02:18:36
Moves away smoother if we use that for our assignment. 02:18:39
There's links to those on our website as well, but it is a different software. 02:18:43
So this is something that. 02:18:50
Aaron actually left the charge on it's getting a recreation scholarship available for Vineyard residents. 02:18:51
So this is active in in current so. 02:18:58
In March of 23 we started. 02:19:02
Asking on everybody's individual registrations that they'd be willing to donate to a scholarship fund. 02:19:05
So this is. 02:19:11
100% funded. 02:19:12
Just from folks who are registering their kids for our programs. 02:19:13
It's raised $2100 as of the start of this year. 02:19:17
And we've given 22 rec scholarships from that account. 02:19:21
Over the. 02:19:25
Time that's been running. 02:19:26
I don't know. It's a 75% discount for the program. 02:19:28
And once they get approved and then they're. 02:19:31
Need to pay the additional 25%. 02:19:34
Some other highlights of recreation that I wanted to share real quick. 02:19:41
Is we have a robot painter. 02:19:45
It saves our staff. 02:19:47
Tons of time. 02:19:50
We used to spend uh. 02:19:51
Entire. 02:19:52
Work week with three full time folks out there measuring the field. Re measuring the field, trying to make sure all the lines are 02:19:54
straight. 02:19:57
And now we do that in a couple hours. 02:20:01
And we press go and it paints all of our fields. So we use this for. 02:20:03
Grove Park amfor gammon for golden. 02:20:07
Kind of move them around and he'll do baseball, kickball, all our events. 02:20:10
Soccer. So that's been a. 02:20:15
Cute help. And that is 100% funded and we just need to pay for the paint tab this month. 02:20:17
Another highlight this year is we received a grant from the National Rec and Park Association to put on these trainings. I was 02:20:25
searching for something to. 02:20:28
Give to our coaches to. 02:20:33
Help them help their kids grow the best they can. 02:20:35
We received this grant. 02:20:38
In January 1st of 2025. 02:20:40
And we ran 245 trains this year for our volunteer coaches. 02:20:43
This was a 20 to 30 minute training. 02:20:49
Just kind of talking. It wasn't necessarily how to play. 02:20:53
The sports, specifically. 02:20:56
But how to talk to kids and build our community? 02:20:57
This is something that we were really excited about and we had. 02:21:00
The most trainings complete of any grantee that received it West of the Mississippi. So we were really excited about that. 02:21:04
And. 02:21:11
Lastly. 02:21:14
As part of that program, we. 02:21:16
Paired with the Positive Coaching Alliance. 02:21:18
And we held a in person training in December of last year. 02:21:20
We have 74 attendees. 02:21:23
And this is kind of what? 02:21:26
I was one of the attendees so. 02:21:28
This is what we got. We got a six week training. 02:21:30
Where they're kind of following up on what they were talking about, but it's. 02:21:33
Really. They were talking about how to. 02:21:36
Develop competitors through sports and. 02:21:38
You know, develop. 02:21:40
Your team. 02:21:41
And individuals alike. 02:21:42
Again, not. 02:21:45
X's and O's and. 02:21:45
How to be the best basketball player? But how to be the best person? 02:21:47
Anybody questions about everything, I know that's kind of drinking out of a fire hydrant a little bit, but I did want to share 02:21:51
some highlights so. 02:21:55
If you have questions or concerns, I'm happy. 02:21:59
Jenny, I just, uh, just real quick, the, uh. 02:22:01
Junior, we do junior jazz, right? We do junior jazz. Yes we do. And we spot have. 02:22:04
Is the fee for that the same everywhere? 02:22:09
Or if you go to Tunisia, acid orum versus. 02:22:12
Then you're is there a difference in price or? 02:22:14
Every city is able to set their own prices. 02:22:16
I will say that. 02:22:21
We most cities in Utah County are associated with the Junior Jess program. 02:22:23
And with that. 02:22:27
There are different tiers that Junior Jazz offers the city. 02:22:29
Such as? 02:22:33
But the base package is. 02:22:34
Jerseys. 02:22:36
And they'll give you like some. 02:22:37
They do events and stuff. 02:22:40
That's kind of the base package. 02:22:42
And then they have upper tiers that include tickets to the junior jazz games. 02:22:44
So some cities that. 02:22:49
Do the ticket package pay the higher price, which their fees probably reflect that? 02:22:50
Vineyard has not. 02:22:55
Paid for the ticket package. 02:22:56
We've said if somebody wants to go to a junior jazz game, they will pay. They go to a junior jazz game, they will not force them 02:22:58
to go. 02:23:01
But some recipes reflect that. But they all set their own price. We try to be competitive with Orem and. 02:23:07
Lyndon You know some of the nearby cities, but every city sets their own. So what is your most successful program? 02:23:13
In terms of. 02:23:18
Participation and public response and so on. 02:23:20
Youth soccer is by far are one that has the biggest turn out. 02:23:25
Right. And that's what we're talking about when we were talking about we need field space. 02:23:29
Is we've. 02:23:33
Program gamin. We program Grove. We program every inch of it right, like slide hills. 02:23:34
Taking 20 feet to complete the project this year in like, are we gonna live without 20 feet? 02:23:39
Right. And so I think for. 02:23:45
Spring soccer is by far our biggest outpouring of communities for it's. 02:23:47
I would invite you to come on a Saturday and and see it because it's it's really awesome. I have actually, yes, it ran daughters 02:23:51
in. 02:23:55
They're fantastic. No, that's good to hear. 02:23:58
Anything else? 02:24:02
That's Fred. Do you have any questions? 02:24:03
No, I don't. 02:24:07
I don't think there. Thank you so much, Zach. 02:24:10
Yeah. Thank you. 02:24:12
Yeah, makes sense. 02:24:13
Action Hey, then I'll turn the time over to Preston and we'll let him take. 02:24:16
The rest of the time. 02:24:21
I mean, we have more that we can do, but. 02:24:23
We, but we will, uh. 02:24:25
We'll stick it to. 02:24:26
Who are allocated time? 02:24:27
It's like 5 minutes, OK. 02:24:30
You're lucky. 02:24:32
All this talk and I don't worry about. 02:24:33
Look Computer Options. 02:24:36
The impression I've been here since 2018. 02:24:46
I'm the parks manager. 02:24:52
Umm, underneath and I got cars. And who's our crew leader? 02:24:55
And Hayden. Hayden, who are park stacks. 02:24:59
But yeah. 02:25:11
So the parts team. 02:25:12
Basically our job. 02:25:14
Fix everything for it to make the parks look nice. 02:25:16
Yeah, when it started out. 02:25:44
Basically public works, Parks Department. 02:25:47
We've worked out of a garage over it. 02:25:51
Cannon, Boric. 02:25:53
So. 02:25:55
We've come a long way since then. 02:25:55
Yeah. We also have a right now we have a part-time employee as well. Who? 02:26:08
We follow up the route. 02:26:13
They go around to the bathroom. 02:26:15
Dog stations. 02:26:17
In the summer we usually hire about. 02:26:20
Two to three seasonals. 02:26:23
Our certifications. 02:26:27
I'm the grade 4 water operator. 02:26:30
I got my pesticide. 02:26:35
Why send to my? 02:26:37
And in Carson, we just recently. 02:26:39
Took our car. 02:26:44
Verified playground safety inspector course. So we should find out ceiling on that. 02:26:46
We have Hayden, who's certified to. 02:26:52
Inspect playgrounds and. 02:26:54
And also AFL. 02:26:57
Five AFL certification we need for this flashback. 02:26:59
The audit facilitator. 02:27:07
Facilitator. Operator. 02:27:09
So kind of how we run things. 02:27:13
We actually track overtime and I can. 02:27:17
I mean, the last three years we've tracked all of our Dimes, but. 02:27:20
When the timesheet worked. 02:27:24
At the end of the day, I have my guys fill out. 02:27:26
Hey, you did playground work for two hours. You did irrigation for this just. 02:27:29
The list of everything. 02:27:34
All of our tasks. 02:27:36
And they just track how much time they spend. 02:27:38
Doing each team. 02:27:42
And then? 02:27:43
I compile all that till like last year. 02:27:45
Like I spent 300. 02:27:49
About my hours working on the splash pad and we have. 02:27:51
All of that aligned, it's nice to know this work all our time is going. 02:27:55
We have last three, three years we've done that. 02:28:03
Turf Acres. 02:28:07
We take care of. 02:28:08
We've got about 33 acres of mall turf. 02:28:10
We obviously contract that out. 02:28:14
Parks Acres. 02:28:18
So. 02:28:20
Parts is just. 02:28:21
Parks Park strips is. 02:28:23
Under Public Works with George Shrim. 02:28:26
But we got about 39 acres. 02:28:29
Of total park space. 02:28:32
We manage 184. 02:28:35
Irrigation stations. 02:28:38
We got 28 dog stations. 02:28:40
48 garbage cans. 02:28:43
16 total pavilions. 02:28:46
Four of those are reservable. 02:28:49
And last year we did 219. 02:28:52
Rather patient. 02:28:56
Yeah, kind of how we operate. 02:29:04
You know I I make checklists for our parks text. 02:29:07
They go to East Park. 02:29:10
Every day when they're here. 02:29:12
And it's just if I go in the park, this is everything I'm. 02:29:15
Gonna look for everything I want taken care of. So that's what they're inspecting. 02:29:18
And they report back. 02:29:23
We have a giant To Do List. 02:29:26
I mean even for the. 02:29:29
Winter months like we've been able to keep pretty busy. 02:29:31
Umm, but. 02:29:35
Far through the end of October, that's. 02:29:37
I mean, it's just nonstop. 02:29:40
But I feel like this is a. 02:29:43
Parks Manager My responsibility is to take our To Do List and prioritize what's most important, what's. 02:29:45
You know what's the potential hazard in? 02:29:53
Then that's pretty much how we schedule it. 02:29:57
Schedule our. 02:29:59
Days. Umm. 02:30:00
Then yeah, probably our biggest thing most. 02:30:03
I am consuming things a spot that. 02:30:06
From. 02:30:10
Labor Day. 02:30:11
Well, pretty much from the end of May. 02:30:15
September that seems running. 02:30:17
On staff, we run it every single day. 02:30:19
My guys are in here. 02:30:24
On the weekends. 02:30:26
Yeah, sorry, you have to check the because you have to touch on the slash. 02:30:28
So on Saturday and Sunday, we. 02:30:37
Come in two separate times. 02:30:40
In the morning we come with. 02:30:42
Be sure and make sure it's running and then later in the day we have to come back and. 02:30:44
2 back flushes. 02:30:51
Checkpoints on that. 02:30:53
But yes. 02:30:58
We're just, we're just here to make the parks look nice and. 02:31:01
You know. 02:31:05
Make sure the playgrounds are safe. Make sure there's no hackers. 02:31:06
Like I said. 02:31:11
We started out working in the garage. 02:31:12
There wasn't really a Parks Department. 02:31:15
And it's been holded. 02:31:18
There was only two parts here. 02:31:21
Before I got here and the rest had been returned over to the city. 02:31:23
And so I've been here so. 02:31:28
I view is my parks. 02:31:30
And you know, I want them to. 02:31:32
Inform everyone of them still. 02:31:37
But yeah, that's. 02:31:40
Everyone's part SO. 02:31:41
What do you think you spend most of your time on? 02:31:43
Uh, there's maintaining the parts. What's the thing that takes? 02:31:45
The most effort? 02:31:48
The splash pad and irrigation. 02:31:50
I think. 02:31:53
Last year we. 02:31:54
Between. 02:31:57
Around 700 hours with irrigation. 02:31:58
So. 02:32:02
I feel like. 02:32:04
There's his, it's his non-stop with irrigation. Yeah, so. 02:32:05
And and you don't just do the parts, you do the renovation stall any, any. 02:32:09
Well, go on strips or whatever. 02:32:12
It's. 02:32:15
The launch strips that's. 02:32:16
Under George Ram. 02:32:18
Go ahead. Just. 02:32:20
Strictly part Just strictly part percent. 02:32:22
But it's good everything else that connected parts. 02:32:24
Yeah, the trails. 02:32:27
So good. And then of course. 02:32:31
During the. 02:32:33
Irrigation velocities of. 02:32:36
Uh, then it's all hands up there. 02:32:39
So both teams work together. 02:32:40
Throughout. Throughout. 02:32:42
You had one like. 02:32:43
Both sides. 02:32:45
At that point because. 02:32:47
I think uh. 02:32:49
George and his team wouldn't be able to have him up to Spanish things. 02:32:50
So what's the most popular? 02:32:55
Thing in the park where you see people. 02:32:57
Most. 02:32:59
Uh, besides the splash pad. 02:33:01
Probably Grove Park. 02:33:04
About that thing about the zip line. 02:33:06
Hopefully it's going to be the newest slide hill. 02:33:11
I would love. 02:33:15
The splash pad though, is probably the number one thing you think. 02:33:19
Yeah. 02:33:21
Yeah, it's. 02:33:22
Pretty but. 02:33:23
Yeah, definitely Grill Park. 02:33:30
This place to be Fla. 02:33:32
I see Jacob signed on. Jacob, do you have any questions? 02:33:38
I'm sorry, evaluated. 02:33:44
I don't have any. 02:33:46
OK. 02:33:48
I don't have any questions either, I appreciate. 02:33:49
Austin, thank you. 02:33:52
Oh yes. 02:33:54
Yeah, it's going on with the. 02:33:58
With pickers there seems like there's. 02:34:01
Maybe 2 areas that. 02:34:03
By the day ground. 02:34:05
Yes. Oh yeah. They're, they're just repairing concrete. It's uh. 02:34:07
It's fixed, they're just keeping on blankets on. 02:34:12
A little longer with the cold weather, so if you can. 02:34:15
So look here but. 02:34:17
When they put the shade cells in it. 02:34:19
Cracked a ton of concrete, so. 02:34:22
David thought all the bad stuff, but. 02:34:25
I bet in the next week or so they'll pull those blankets and. 02:34:29
That'll be good. 02:34:33
OK, So what was wasn't anything to do with the sprinkler system? 02:34:34
Just the concrete. 02:34:37
Yeah, this is from the equipment being on there when they fed up the. 02:34:39
Please thank. 02:34:43
Thank you so much, Preston. 02:34:47
Also if there's something to meet. 02:34:49
To be fixed, I know I can always count on press and he. 02:34:51
Figures it out and so. 02:34:54
Yeah, that's what we have for you today. So really appreciate your time being with us and any of those who tuned in. 02:34:56
Online or? 02:35:02
Later on mine song. 02:35:04
Thank you. Is there any final questions before we wrap up? 02:35:05
Here. 02:35:09
Thank you so much. I appreciate it. 02:35:10
Thanks for your time, Matt, for thank you. 02:35:12
Alright, I don't have a gavel, so meaning included. 02:35:15
Thank you. 02:35:20
Adjourned. That's the appropriate rule. 02:35:26

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Whatever, whatever he decides on for work. So yeah, I'd say if there's any initial questions that you guys have, feel free to. 00:03:23
Mention them now then I figure you can just ask questions as I go along as well. 00:03:29
Perfect. Sounds challenge, more just like a discussion. 00:03:35
But yeah, you guys have any initial questions? 00:03:38
I'm all good. So yeah, you're awesome, brother. Can we get started then? 00:03:43
Yeah. Thank you so much for your time. 00:03:47
I'm making time for this. I really appreciate it and it's great to both have. 00:03:50
Access to. 00:03:54
Share this information with everybody, just all at the same time. 00:03:55
So my name is Brian. I'm the parks and rec director for Vineyard City. 00:04:00
And. 00:04:04
I want to give. 00:04:06
Just some background information. 00:04:08
Sorry, give me a second. 00:04:12
OK. 00:04:31
So hopefully you can see this. 00:04:32
So just to give you a background on the Parks and Rec department. 00:04:35
It began in 2018. 00:04:39
I had the opportunity to be hired by Vineyard City. 00:04:42
To help jump start recreation. 00:04:45
Program and it's been an absolute blast to. 00:04:47
Get to know the community and. 00:04:51
What they're interested in and. 00:04:53
To work with. 00:04:55
A team to. 00:04:58
To build some programs. 00:04:59
And. 00:05:01
We combined with the parks team in 2023, so that's when. 00:05:04
I was moved from. 00:05:08
My position in recreation and. 00:05:10
Then became the Parks and Rec director. 00:05:12
So that's been awesome to correlate more with the parks team. 00:05:16
And just be more on the same page and. 00:05:19
Make sure that. 00:05:22
We don't have a lot of conflicting things. 00:05:23
In the city of Vineyard, we have six public parks. 00:05:27
Two of which are neighborhood pocket parks. 00:05:30
Just want to clarify that Vineyard beach that many people are familiar with that is not city owned and is county owned. 00:05:35
But we. 00:05:41
We are happy to maintain that as much as. 00:05:43
Possible to ensure that it's? 00:05:46
Friendly for the community. 00:05:49
That people enjoy being there so when you refer to opinion beach, you're talking about on the north side of town over there by 00:05:50
the. 00:05:53
Condos on the left, right, where all of us used to go burn pallets. 00:05:57
Back in the day, yeah. 00:06:01
That's on ours. That's the county. That is the county. 00:06:03
So. 00:06:06
Something was coming past. 00:06:08
Yes, and perhaps then our. 00:06:10
Parks manager, he'll get more into. 00:06:12
Parks and with his team. 00:06:15
And then we offer. 00:06:19
About 20 plus. 00:06:21
Recreation programs. 00:06:22
To the Vineyard community, and that ranges all from youth programs to seniors. 00:06:24
To adult programs, city races. 00:06:29
And our recreation manager, Zach Beatty will go into that a little bit later today as well. 00:06:32
Our department consists of eight full time employees. 00:06:38
One part time and a ton of seasonals. 00:06:42
And both President and Zach will give more of a rundown of their teams and kind of their qualifications. 00:06:45
But I just wanted to throw this out there just so that you're aware of kind of my. 00:06:54
I guess work in education history. 00:07:00
I got a bachelor's degree from. 00:07:03
Brigham Young University and Exercise and Wellness. 00:07:05
And then I got a Master of Public Administration from Suu. 00:07:07
With an emphasis in local government. 00:07:12
And then? 00:07:15
I have a few certifications just to help ensure that. 00:07:17
I'm in the know with. 00:07:20
The things that our team overseas and then. 00:07:22
Also. 00:07:24
To make sure that what we're offering is in line with what residents want and that we're offering them to safe. 00:07:25
And professional manner. 00:07:32
And so I have a I'm a certified as a park and recreation professional. 00:07:34
I have a aquatic facility operator certification. 00:07:38
And then I'm also certified as a playground safety. 00:07:43
Inspector. 00:07:47
This will show you. 00:07:54
Our department chain of command. 00:07:57
So, umm. 00:08:00
We have the recreation and parks manager that both report to me. 00:08:03
For the recreation manager, there's two full time recreation coordinators that report to him. 00:08:08
And then we have. 00:08:13
Way more than 20 seasonals. 00:08:14
But the those typically report. 00:08:17
They kind of share who overseas, those just depending on who's overseeing the program. 00:08:20
For the Parkside. 00:08:25
The parks manager, we have the parks crew lead that reports to him. 00:08:27
And then we have two full time parks techs. 00:08:31
And then one part time and. 00:08:34
Typically 2 seasonals that report to the parks group. 00:08:35
Here is some background information on revenues for our department. 00:08:44
So we have the wrap tax, which is the recreation and park tax. 00:08:48
It consists of .1% of. 00:08:53
Vineyard sales tax. 00:08:56
And this was passed in 2019. 00:08:57
With law. 00:09:00
Of a high percentage. 00:09:02
So I think that that shows a lot about. 00:09:04
The fact that the community values Parks and Recreation and this really is a resource that allows us to. 00:09:08
Continue to offer. 00:09:16
More facilities and recreation type amenities for the community. 00:09:18
Currently we have about $412,000 in our wrap tax fund. 00:09:22
We receive. 00:09:27
About $240,000 a year. 00:09:29
Through the wrap tax. 00:09:32
So about $20,000 a month. 00:09:34
And of that $240,000 a year? 00:09:36
Typically we allocate. 00:09:40
$20,000. 00:09:41
To the Arts Commission to give. 00:09:43
In a form of grant. 00:09:45
That allows for the recruitment of specific events or other recreation. 00:09:46
Embark type infrastructure to the city. 00:09:52
We also have Parks and Rec impact fee. We just completed a Parks and Rec master plan last year. 00:09:56
And so with that. 00:10:02
We were able to instill an impact fee, so essentially any incoming. 00:10:04
Umm, household to the city. 00:10:10
They will be required to pay. 00:10:12
The developer. 00:10:15
Will be required to pay the $3422.88. 00:10:16
And so that is a. 00:10:22
That is a great opportunity for. 00:10:24
Us to continue to expand our department. 00:10:26
And facilities that. 00:10:28
That we can offer. 00:10:30
Pertaining to the Parks and Rec impact fee. 00:10:33
I expect that we'll obtain about 100,000. 00:10:37
Before. 00:10:39
The end of this fiscal year. 00:10:40
And then have just under 2,000,000 by. 00:10:42
The end of 2029 just depending on. 00:10:45
Filled out at. 00:10:48
The speed of. 00:10:50
Of how that occurs. 00:10:51
Our projected revenues for this year for recreation program fees is 222,000. 00:10:53
For sponsorships or rentals. 00:11:00
Uh, we currently. 00:11:02
Our events team worked really hard and they had already brought in 46,000, so we've already. 00:11:03
Superseded that goal. 00:11:10
And we still have more that we're hoping to. 00:11:12
To recruit. 00:11:14
And then for rentals, which includes pavilion reservations facility. 00:11:16
Pavilion Reservation. 00:11:21
Bill and court reservation concessions. 00:11:23
There's about 20,000. 00:11:26
And then? 00:11:28
We have. 00:11:29
Five existing grants currently that we're working upon. 00:11:30
Implementing 3 various projects. 00:11:34
This is our overall expenditures as far as our operating budget. 00:11:37
So our parks team that makes up 8.2% of general fund expenditures. 00:11:41
And then the recreation team is 4.1%. 00:11:48
Are there any questions about anything I've covered? 00:11:55
So far. 00:11:57
Before I. 00:11:59
On from here. 00:12:00
I think I'm good. 00:12:02
Parker, Jimmy, thank you. 00:12:04
Anything from? Do you guys have anything? 00:12:06
The wrap tax. 00:12:11
Tell me a little bit more about the intent that the intent behind the wrapped taxi school St. to cover all all their parts 00:12:12
directly stuff altogether. 00:12:16
Other cities have used a lot of more of it to to give some foundations and things like that. 00:12:20
So what what? How's it usually used and? 00:12:25
Is R 20,000 an appropriate amount to give to? 00:12:27
Private entities to do things for the city. 00:12:31
Good question. So with the wrap tax. 00:12:34
There's a number of things that it can be used for. 00:12:38
Essentially we've only used about 20,000 per year to go towards the. 00:12:40
Harsh grants just because of. 00:12:45
Are I guess limitations that we have with? 00:12:47
Sources of revenue coming. 00:12:51
To the city specifically for Parks and Rec. 00:12:53
And so essentially the idea. 00:12:56
Is that those wrapped? 00:12:58
Funds would go towards capital projects. 00:13:00
So for example. 00:13:02
A skate park. 00:13:04
Maybe it's to build? 00:13:06
Pickleball courts. Maybe it's to go towards. 00:13:08
At this golf course. 00:13:12
So really any type of amenity is a great. 00:13:14
Use of that it can be used for operational type expenses. 00:13:16
And essentially the arch grant. 00:13:21
Allocation. That's up to City Council for what they recommend. 00:13:23
But 20,000 is just the number that has been agreed upon from. 00:13:27
City Council pastures. 00:13:32
Thank you. 00:13:33
Awesome. 00:13:34
Hey, so just to get. 00:13:36
Give everyone a rundown of the agenda for. 00:13:38
This specific meeting. 00:13:41
These are. 00:13:43
The priority items that. 00:13:44
I'm hoping to cover. 00:13:46
We'll go as fast as slow as you want. 00:13:47
And so this is. 00:13:51
The order that. 00:13:53
That will go through that. 00:13:54
And then if there's additional time? 00:13:56
There's plenty more that we can go over. 00:13:58
So please just. 00:14:02
Feel free to interrupt me with. 00:14:04
Any questions you have and I'm happy to just adapt this to. 00:14:06
What questions you had? 00:14:10
Sounds good. 00:14:11
I think that we might want to bump up, if we have time, the micro mobility. 00:14:12
Get Parks. 00:14:16
Where's my boy? 00:14:18
Yeah, my son loves writing this. Everything, every. 00:14:25
So, OK, keep going. It's a lot. There's a lot of interest in that and you're saying? 00:14:29
For sure. 00:14:34
OK, so the first thing that. 00:14:35
Really want to. 00:14:38
The city council's thoughts on. 00:14:39
Overseas Vineyard skate Park. 00:14:42
We received. 00:14:45
Budget, uh. 00:14:46
Last year $25,000 to create a concept design for a skate park. 00:14:47
And. 00:14:53
We entered a contract with Hunger Skate Parks. 00:14:54
Or $20,000. 00:14:57
So we were actually under that. 00:14:59
Budget amount. 00:15:02
And they created a concept design for us. 00:15:04
We have a skate park committee that consists of multiple people. 00:15:07
Which consists of. 00:15:12
Vineyard City staff and also Vineyard residents. So we have. 00:15:13
Some of them here. 00:15:16
Daniel George is a Vineyard resident. 00:15:18
He also is. 00:15:20
On our Arch Commission. 00:15:22
And he has been a strong advocate for helping us to. 00:15:25
Advertise this and collect. 00:15:29
Public input. 00:15:31
Bryce Brady. 00:15:32
Also as a Vineyard resident, uh. 00:15:33
And he served on Planning Commission for I believe it was eight years. 00:15:36
So he's, he's been in Vineyard for for a minute. 00:15:40
And they've been phenomenal to. 00:15:43
To work with. 00:15:47
I've been on that committee, we have a city planner that's been on that committee, and then there's another resident. 00:15:48
Brandon Peterson that has also been serving on that. 00:15:54
Committee who isn't here today, but he's been very as well. 00:15:57
The idea of a Vineyard skate park. 00:16:02
When we did our. 00:16:05
Parks and Rec Master plan. We had a lot of interest in the skate park from the community. 00:16:06
And just to kind of provide some numbers we've. 00:16:12
Sent out surveys of. 00:16:15
We had 249 survey responses to that we've had. 00:16:17
Approximately 75 comments via social media. 00:16:21
Whether that's through the skate park advocacy group, through our recreation Instagram. 00:16:24
Or even just. 00:16:29
Our city portal. 00:16:31
We had open house event. 00:16:34
Where we had. 00:16:36
This room almost completely full, we had people standing. 00:16:36
And so that was really exciting. 00:16:40
And there was a number of people that were interested in. 00:16:42
Doing fundraising for the project. 00:16:45
And so. 00:16:47
We've accrued. 00:16:49
I mean. 00:16:51
Not a ton, but we're. 00:16:52
We're started. 00:16:53
We've we've got nearly 2000 that. 00:16:55
Various community members have. 00:16:57
Begin to to cement. 00:16:59
For this specific project. 00:17:02
And so I want to. 00:17:04
Take a minute and just show you this. 00:17:07
This is. 00:17:10
The. 00:17:11
Updated concept design for the skate park. 00:17:12
I apologize it doesn't have music to this one but. 00:17:17
Hang tight, sorry, Bryce can sing for us. 00:17:19
So Hunger skate Parks is a specific group that. 00:17:31
Seems to be very highly talked. 00:17:35
Up by the community. 00:17:39
And that was really a. 00:17:42
Also a big part of why we chose to to go with them. 00:17:44
They have a couple parks up in Cache Valley that are just absolutely phenomenal. 00:17:48
There are design and build. 00:17:53
Through and so a lot of them are. 00:17:55
You know, into skating and they. 00:18:00
They just, they're passionate about this. So we're we're excited. 00:18:03
For everything that they've. 00:18:06
They've done for us. 00:18:08
OK. 00:18:17
So. 00:18:18
While we were going about figuring out. 00:18:19
Skate Park. 00:18:22
Locations. 00:18:25
There were a number of. 00:18:27
Sites that we've considered. 00:18:30
And I went and I. 00:18:32
Did a site visit with. 00:18:35
David Kyle as well to go around to. 00:18:36
Do a bunch of these. 00:18:39
And occasionally we. 00:18:40
Came to the conclusion that the location of BSc. 00:18:42
Here at the City Hall building. 00:18:46
Would be the ideal location just for the sake of visibility. 00:18:49
It's isolated. 00:18:54
It's not nearby other park infrastructure. 00:18:56
Where? 00:18:59
You know, there can kind of be a. 00:19:01
I don't know. 00:19:04
I feel like sometimes there's a vibe. 00:19:05
That maybe skateboarders get that. 00:19:07
Maybe they're known for? 00:19:10
You know, graffiti and stuff like that. And that's not always true. 00:19:12
But one benefit of having it here is that. 00:19:16
Not only is it isolated, gives them a central hub area. 00:19:19
But it's also right next to our public safety, so if there's any concerns. 00:19:25
They have supervision just right here. 00:19:29
There's no utilities in the specific lot. 00:19:34
And so we just felt like this would be the ideal location was. 00:19:37
Open to. 00:19:41
I hear your thoughts on that specifically, but just to give you a visual. 00:19:42
This is. 00:19:46
The existing City Hall where we're at in the basement. Beautiful. 00:19:48
Presentation. 00:19:51
Hello, good to you, Brian. 00:19:52
Oh my goodness. 00:19:54
So sorry. 00:19:57
How's that? 00:20:07
OK. 00:20:10
So this is the proposed site. 00:20:15
So just here there would be 18. 00:20:18
Additional parking stalls. 00:20:22
Two of which would be. 00:20:25
88 and then the skate park. 00:20:27
Then go in this. 00:20:30
Parcel here. 00:20:31
This one. The reason this is such a priority of wanting to get your thoughts is. 00:20:33
Just the fact that of the grant application, we have an opportunity to get half $1,000,000 grant from. 00:20:39
The Utah outdoor recreation. 00:20:45
Grant Organization. 00:20:48
And and with the design already having been done. 00:20:51
At this location. 00:20:55
Everything is really. 00:20:56
Good to go. 00:21:00
As far as submitting that, but we just want to make sure that we have City Council approval on that. 00:21:01
And if there's any concerns? 00:21:06
We'd love to know about that now. 00:21:08
One council member had asked me previously. 00:21:10
If we apply for this grant. 00:21:13
Would we be tied to that specific location? 00:21:16
And the information that I got from the Uorg Rep was that. 00:21:18
Having a solidified location will make your application stronger. 00:21:23
He doesn't totally tie you down. 00:21:27
But. 00:21:31
Just knowing that there's no. 00:21:32
In the error type. 00:21:34
Five it it gives us. 00:21:36
Strength to the application and now that it's a. 00:21:39
For sure thing. So I I'm interested to know. 00:21:41
If any of you have any concerns, questions. 00:21:44
Thoughts. 00:21:48
Open to hear whatever you ask. 00:21:49
Say about this question. 00:21:52
So this this area is not part of the. 00:21:54
The wetlands designated in that area just in case of. 00:21:57
Not part of that at all, right? That is correct and is a land owned by the city owner. 00:22:00
Correct. So there will be an acquisition cost of the land? 00:22:04
Bryce, have we talked to the, have you talked to the neighbors? 00:22:09
Or maybe somebody here right now? 00:22:11
I just had multiple meetings over the years about. 00:22:16
The skate park, the whole park line when we did the corridor planned. 00:22:18
He had a large chunk of the meadows. 00:22:22
At that vocabulary plans that had this skate park on the planet spot. 00:22:24
And then we've had multiple skate park meetings. 00:22:29
And I haven't heard any negative comments from people if there's anything I've heard. 00:22:31
Lots of positive comments. There were people that were worried about. 00:22:36
I don't want the skate park to be here because. 00:22:39
Skaters have bad reputation like you mentioned, which isn't always the case, but. 00:22:42
A lot of people. 00:22:46
Add those. 00:22:47
Have those worries calmed knowing that it was right next to the police station for sure. 00:22:50
Yeah, it reminds me kind of what ARM did, having the skate park right there at the 12th. 00:22:56
Is that totally the best right there, right by the fire station? I mean it's. 00:23:00
Driving past that quite often. 00:23:04
The really incredible thing is right so. 00:23:07
Only benefit the ambulance was right there. 00:23:09
Yeah, right. So it's like something if kids break their arms. 00:23:11
Yeah. What are your thoughts on this? Do you have any thoughts? 00:23:15
My first question would just be. 00:23:18
What liability does the city actually incur? 00:23:22
Building skate park like. 00:23:25
When I was a kid, I fell. I broke my elbow. A lot of kids do. 00:23:28
So I wouldn't assume that there's. 00:23:32
Immediate city liability, but I'm just. 00:23:36
Curious about the legal content? 00:23:39
Aspect. 00:23:40
Frankie, speak to that. Or maybe. 00:23:41
Yeah, so the city has specific. 00:23:44
Like criteria, they have a specific policy that. 00:23:47
Gives them to, you know, the liability coverage so that in the case there is an injury. 00:23:50
We we have something in place for that. 00:23:54
Of course, adding a facility like this, yes, that increases the potential for. 00:23:56
You know, injuries to occur and there to be potential. 00:24:00
Liability. Umm. 00:24:03
But just the fact that we have those insurance. 00:24:05
Items in place. 00:24:08
That that gives the city an. 00:24:10
It makes it more safe, just the fact that you're at that place. I'd be curious if we could even talk to Jesse about just hanging a 00:24:13
sign or something that says use this facility drone. 00:24:17
Risk and liability. 00:24:22
Can you guys speak to that exactly yes, most skate parks have to have like it's like like enter your like at your own risk yeah 00:24:23
type deal. OK, yeah, it encourages. 00:24:27
Proper safety equipment and obviously using. 00:24:31
The facilities as intended, but then yeah, always clarifies this is an at risk, yeah. 00:24:34
Dear Bill, dear Howard, are you even also? 00:24:40
Skate park. Skate parks actually make it. 00:24:43
I would say make it more safe for skateboarders and scooters rather than I mean, otherwise like where these kids going to be if 00:24:45
there's no skate park, they're going to be in parking lots and sidewalks. This gives them a place where, you know, it's 00:24:51
centralized, it's designated for that activity, It's designed and made for it. And so it's. 00:24:56
Paper. I kind of like the location. I mean it's like to your point, it's I mean, it's not ever gonna be really big busy Rd. 00:25:02
Right. So we'll kind of. 00:25:10
There's there's that benefit as well, so. 00:25:12
So walk us through, do we get any cost? So we got 400,000 in the wrap. 00:25:16
And then this is a half $1,000,000 so. 00:25:21
OK, Yeah, yeah, because there we go. Let's go ahead and jump right in. So. 00:25:23
This just kind of gives you a rundown of where we're at and. 00:25:27
So we spent $20,000. 00:25:31
For the concept designed. 00:25:33
3750 for a geotech survey. 00:25:35
It was kind of a rush, so we went for the skate park grant last year. 00:25:39
We didn't receive it. It was it was really rushed, the whole process of trying to get this done. We weren't able to get a topo 00:25:43
survey done and I think that that hurt us. 00:25:47
And so. 00:25:51
Is based on now. 00:25:53
Yes, it is done now. 00:25:56
So yeah, we did that. 00:25:58
And then? 00:26:00
Just taking the feedback that we received from. 00:26:01
You work some of the things that they wanted to see was more ADA type compliance, right? And so adding the two ADA parking stalls, 00:26:05
we had a ramp included in the park. 00:26:10
So that. 00:26:15
That served us really well. 00:26:16
And then one other thing they wanted to see is economic impact. 00:26:18
They wanted more information on that and so we got budget to. 00:26:21
Also. 00:26:27
Enter a contract for a design of a asphalt pump track. 00:26:28
And that was with. 00:26:32
American Ramp Company and they've had a ton of success with getting your grants and. 00:26:33
Previous years. 00:26:38
And so we felt like. 00:26:39
That would be kind of like a phase two if that were something that. 00:26:41
Stick on approval. 00:26:45
But essentially that that's what we've paid so far. And then as far as future? 00:26:47
Potentially 1.1. 00:26:52
$1,000,000. 00:26:54
But 500,000 of that would be coming from. 00:26:56
The UOR grant. 00:26:59
500,000 of that would come from the wrap tax. 00:27:02
So like I said, we have like 409,000. 00:27:06
We accurate about 20,000 a month, so by the time we got the grant we should have. 00:27:08
That $500,000? 00:27:12
There for that. 00:27:14
The design was made with. 00:27:18
The idea of having the $1,000,000 budget, yeah. 00:27:21
But. 00:27:25
The parking stalls and landscaping were not included in that and so we got quotes of what that would cost. 00:27:27
And so. 00:27:34
Essentially this would necessitate. 00:27:36
The city would need to. 00:27:38
Pay about $110,000. 00:27:40
From the general fund to help. 00:27:43
Offset. 00:27:45
Or we. 00:27:46
Would need to take that additional money from the Rep tax. 00:27:47
Which would just be approved with time. 00:27:51
And does that answer your questions that that's? 00:27:55
This is this is awesome. OK, so let's just walk this through. So would. 00:27:58
We both trigger. We do the application. 00:28:01
When does the, when does the grant fund and when we have to? 00:28:03
Like spend it by. 00:28:06
Yes, so the application. 00:28:08
We would know. 00:28:11
Around May. 00:28:13
If we get awarded the grant. 00:28:14
And then? 00:28:16
Under that situation. 00:28:18
That circumstance we would plan to start construction in June of this year. 00:28:19
And hopefully be done by October. 00:28:23
So. 00:28:27
As far as time frame. 00:28:30
I believe it's like, I believe it's 18 months or two years that we have to. 00:28:32
From start to finish to complete the project. 00:28:37
OK, but that would be? 00:28:39
The idea is that we would try and push for all that to. 00:28:42
Have it this fall, just yeah, we had. 00:28:45
OK. 00:28:47
Great, SO. 00:28:48
So just going back to the last one. So if, if we say OK. 00:28:51
Let's just think this logically. It sounds like we're there's a. 00:28:54
The high likelihood we're going to get this? 00:28:57
Right. Would you? I think we have a really good shot. 00:28:59
Yeah. As good, right? Yeah. 00:29:02
Graphs are graphs. 00:29:04
So we we get the grant. 00:29:06
Pull the trigger, start construction and then we would have to allocate in the fiscal year 2026 like basically if we want to push 00:29:07
it this year. 00:29:11
Roughly 100,000. 00:29:16
Is that we kind of think out of general fund? 00:29:18
To do that, OK, so. 00:29:20
Yeah. And that would be the next fiscal year, sorry. 00:29:22
Or you wait for the raft tax to. 00:29:25
Pay that out, fix the cash. 00:29:27
OK. 00:29:29
And I mean, just in the timeline that we're talking about, you mentioned the 500 grand would be the end of the fiscal year, right, 00:29:30
So then. 00:29:33
You're talking about October? 00:29:36
That's another 60 to 80 grand, depending on the date. 00:29:38
That would already cover that and then you're really looking at a 40 grand shortfall. 00:29:41
For sure. 00:29:44
Yeah, which? 00:29:45
I mean. 00:29:47
Realistically, the city could drag its feet on the landscaping. 00:29:48
Or on the parking stall. 00:29:52
And one other thing here to know. 00:29:54
That with the landscaping number in particular. 00:29:56
This is if we were to contract that out. 00:29:59
So. 00:30:01
He could save. 00:30:03
A good chunk of that money if we did it in house. 00:30:05
My big conversation with the park manager and he seems to. 00:30:08
The other challenge, if that was the route that we wanted to go, obviously that would. 00:30:12
Pull our parks team potentially away from other duties and so that would just. 00:30:16
Be something. 00:30:20
Considered, but that's something that they're willing to do. 00:30:22
You need to consider hiring. 00:30:25
More seasonal work to come in and do that. It's a one to two-month project. 00:30:27
Something worth considering too is there are a lot of. 00:30:31
Volunteers in the city that will want this part to happen, they're happy to volunteer for, yeah. 00:30:34
I'm done for an afternoon or something, yeah. 00:30:39
Even I I know good landscapes are on track. 00:30:42
David. 00:30:45
Yeah, I think Bryce. Yeah, you. 00:30:50
Points well taken, I think that. 00:30:52
You could, you know, because I like the community behind, right? I like that. 00:30:53
Having that aspect of it as well, OK. 00:30:58
All right, cool cat. 00:31:00
So then I did actually want to turn some time over. 00:31:02
Just in case if Bryce or Daniel want to. 00:31:05
Say anything or add any additional bots to what's been shared. 00:31:07
Just being part of the committee. 00:31:11
Yeah. So this has been. 00:31:13
We've been working on this for a long time. 00:31:16
Like we say that we got last year. 00:31:18
But it's been. 00:31:21
Months before that to find a contractor to do it, it's been. 00:31:22
Years before that to get this on the general plan and get. 00:31:27
Feedback to the general plan. 00:31:30
And then? 00:31:31
OK, the reason I joined the Planning Commission when I did in 2017. 00:31:32
Was. 00:31:37
Have you been to anybody? Question me if you know that I've brought up a skate park in almost every single meeting. 00:31:38
Because. 00:31:47
Skate parks are huge for young community like ours. 00:31:48
We've got playgrounds, we've got sports. 00:31:51
But there are kids that. 00:31:54
Aren't good at football and soccer that? 00:31:56
Dealt with five well in a team sport. 00:32:00
Where they need other people to look up to, they need to use. 00:32:02
State Parks our platform with mental health. 00:32:06
They help a ton with. 00:32:10
Getting to know your community. 00:32:13
It's awesome that it's next to the police station. 00:32:15
Skateboarders get to see that. 00:32:17
Police officers are actually cool guys, yeah. 00:32:19
They don't get vilified. 00:32:22
And having one in our community is. 00:32:25
Good for that. Or you need something they need to get out, they need to. 00:32:28
It's a few things that are hard and having Spirit Park is something that can. 00:32:33
Do that bring people? 00:32:38
Are generally by themselves together. 00:32:40
I think your points were taken too. It's like so we have, we have a ton of. 00:32:44
Playground, the Parkside. But it's like. 00:32:47
Kids graduate from that, what do they go to? You know, sports or you know. 00:32:49
This would be granted out that friend. 00:32:53
Sure. 00:32:55
I I'm sure this thing would be crawling. 00:32:56
Yeah, yeah, right. 00:33:00
So. 00:33:01
Yeah, this mask. Would you go there and use this dude? 00:33:02
Stop driving your throne around, I'm sure. 00:33:05
The other cool thing about this location too is it is. 00:33:08
Surrounded by kids like more than any other location in the city. 00:33:11
And I. 00:33:16
I think it's a great. 00:33:18
Location day. 00:33:19
I'm excited about it. Obviously, I have been for the last. 00:33:21
During years. 00:33:24
Yeah, and that's something just to echo what's Rice is saying. 00:33:26
Something we've been really thinking about is like, how do we service? 00:33:29
Yeah, an underrepresented demographic in the community, which is like that teenage demographic. It's like the parks are great for 00:33:32
younger kids, but like. 00:33:36
As we're experiencing, we have three kids, this one. 00:33:40
9 year old and 12 year old. It's like. 00:33:43
The 12 year old is like no longer really interested in any of the offerings that the community has in terms of like recreational 00:33:45
things. 00:33:48
And so when we did have our. 00:33:52
Initial meetings like the planning meetings. 00:33:55
Like with skate park designers when they came and visited to get public feedback. 00:33:58
There were several teenagers in the room who were, yeah, over the moon that we were. 00:34:02
Thinking about them and like things that they would enjoy doing. 00:34:06
So. 00:34:10
Yeah. That's something that we've been thinking about as, yeah, how well it can. 00:34:11
And help with that, yeah. 00:34:14
Demographic. 00:34:16
Have something? 00:34:18
Exciting fun to do. 00:34:19
Yeah, awesome. 00:34:22
Anybody else have comments on it? 00:34:23
Yeah, go ahead, Maya, I know. 00:34:25
I have kids that are very stressed about this. We take our family pictures actually at the State Park, you know? 00:34:27
I am a 40 year old man but like. 00:34:34
When I go to the skate park. 00:34:37
Package not every day, but I see plenty of 20 year olds that are still. 00:34:39
If we go into, you know. 00:34:44
So I just want to broaden it now. It's it is not just. 00:34:46
Here's some little fun stuff for the. 00:34:50
10 to 16, it's like. 00:34:53
Dude, I live here. I I see it for the meeting. I want to skate to the skate park that's right here. 00:34:55
I will bring kids, you know, and. 00:35:00
I just feel like, yeah, it is not just. 00:35:03
This niche of language it could be. 00:35:05
I've got so I'm a filmmaker and I I helped with the. 00:35:09
Documentary for the Vernal skate department. all-wheel park. 00:35:12
And I got to see so many things behind the scenes, getting these grants and all that stuff. They were blown away. It's Vernal, you 00:35:15
know, it's. 00:35:18
Not to kind of see that we're in, but like. 00:35:21
They were blown away with how many people came to that grand opening, came out of the woodworks, all the different wheels and 00:35:23
everything's like that so. 00:35:26
I just am confident that like what you're saying, like it's gonna be crawling. Yeah, with. 00:35:29
With there's yeah, no. 00:35:33
It's fabulous. But is there some way that we can kind of promote it that? 00:35:46
You know. 00:35:50
Get involved with this too. 00:35:51
They just had. 01:06:34
Very little bizarre because they have. 01:06:37
Trying to do some facilities that is they've tried to do. 01:06:38
Just explore options to make it work. 01:06:42
But it was just not working for them and they were having issues. 01:06:44
So my understanding in the past which I can give you more information later on. 01:06:49
Other than solving a problem by giving people a dog park they've always wanted. But they could have got their own way anyway. 01:06:53
Other than that, what benefit are we getting getting the secret by doing this project? 01:06:59
One of the benefits is it serves as a gateway to the city, again as I. 01:07:04
OK, man. So I hope that you people walk through there, walk through there, and then I'll walk through on the trail the city goes. 01:07:08
You don't walk through on the HOA plan. 01:07:14
Yeah, but. 01:07:16
When we were given that, we're able to create that connection here now. 01:07:18
Where you know you can see from. 01:07:22
Had much older photo. 01:07:25
This connection. 01:07:26
There that connects you to the train was not even existent. 01:07:28
Fast. It was one that you know. The truth curved there. 01:07:32
And all of that was made possible because now. 01:07:36
Well, the city owned the land. The the the trail is on what we are on right next to the next to the. 01:07:39
The fencer. 01:07:43
Yeah. So we could only have that connection because now we've been given that access to do. 01:07:44
Feel that's all I asked is the city owned that land right next to the. 01:07:49
Fence that goes along the track there. 01:07:53
So the city could have built the trail along there to take care of it that way. We'd have to. 01:07:55
The reason we couldn't have the trail previously is because we didn't. We didn't. We didn't own that land up to the up to the 01:08:01
fence. Yes, we didn't own it. 01:08:05
OK. That, that was the part of nuclear, sorry, that's the benefit to the city was now we could have the trail because we have the 01:08:09
land now. We have the land now. We agreed at the connection because we've owned the land. 01:08:13
Thank you. 01:08:18
Any other questions please? 01:08:19
And I was showing you a picture of how it's looking now. 01:08:22
Again. 01:08:34
Ever since this happened. 01:08:35
Owning the land and. 01:08:37
Going through this agreement, we've been able to realign as. 01:08:38
You were asking about. 01:08:41
So we've been able to solve the storm water issue. 01:08:43
And. 01:08:46
Also irrigation issues that were already in existence before that that made it almost impossible to use that area for anything. 01:08:48
And also the pundit. 01:08:55
Was a little native. 01:08:58
Found it on the on the trails where eliminated as well. 01:08:59
And it's provided. 01:09:02
And much safer and. 01:09:03
Easier way for long term maintenance and safety. 01:09:06
Of the area in general. 01:09:09
Now they've built a bigger trail, maintenance cars can just. 01:09:11
Get in there and just. 01:09:14
Do some maintenance of either the trail or anything else. 01:09:16
Were needed for us before it was the pain. 01:09:20
To do that. 01:09:22
The within the city. 01:09:23
Trips. So here are a few pictures of how it's looking now. 01:09:25
We've created that great connection. 01:09:31
We. We. 01:09:34
Also. 01:09:36
So on the top left corner you can tell the picture there is showing that storm water. 01:09:40
Issues that were. 01:09:45
So that were. 01:09:47
Solved is also there. 01:09:49
And overall, the site functions as a major downtown gateway. 01:09:52
And. 01:09:57
Other parts of the city as well. 01:09:58
For people that are not. 01:10:00
It is an opportunity for the city if we can turn this into a park. 01:10:03
To create a more. 01:10:07
Exciting and pleasant. 01:10:10
Experience for those using the trail. 01:10:12
And improves aesthetics. 01:10:15
Generally. 01:10:16
Within that area. 01:10:18
Along our trail system. 01:10:20
And this will. 01:10:22
Again, support and improve property values. 01:10:23
Of the development around it. 01:10:27
So in conclusion this. 01:10:31
Projects. 01:10:33
Transforms. 01:10:36
No problem sites into. 01:10:38
An asset. 01:10:40
That the city can be proud of. 01:10:41
It also delivers recreational space. 01:10:43
Safety and. 01:10:47
Structure improvements. 01:10:48
As well as supporting. 01:10:51
The city's growth and livability. 01:10:52
As we keep growing. 01:10:55
So what would it cost? 01:10:57
What will it cost to? 01:10:58
To design the dog park portion of this, it's already done. Is it? 01:11:00
No, it's not been designed. OK. So you have to, we need cost for design, Yeah. 01:11:03
And the cost to build it? 01:11:06
And then the cost to maintain each year. 01:11:08
What we will, we're looking at. 01:11:11
Good afternoon. So the cost of design? 01:11:12
Was. 01:11:16
Skype of 200,000 about per year. 01:11:17
So you have you can speak more. Yeah, so. 01:11:21
What he showed on that there was kind of the two separate parcels. There was like the .9 acre for the city and then there was the. 01:11:24
You don't properly see that, right? 01:11:31
Yeah. So essentially they got a quote that was for. 01:11:34
Designing all of that, including EU dot, including EU dot because basically the situation is. 01:11:38
UDOT doesn't. 01:11:44
Have interest in? 01:11:45
Putting dollars towards that project, They'd love to see it landscaped. Of course, you know the police. So the question is. 01:11:46
Yeah, does the city want to? 01:11:52
Put in the money to. 01:11:54
Make that landscaping look is that. 01:11:56
Is that worth it to the city? 01:11:58
Or is it just worth? 01:12:01
Doing the .9. 01:12:02
Acre Park. 01:12:04
So, Joe, so. 01:12:07
Man, sorry, I'm going to sound like a bad guy and I'm not trying to be a bad guy. 01:12:10
I think you've done excellent work on the presentation and I I generally like. 01:12:14
What you guys have brought up? 01:12:18
My frustration is that. 01:12:20
You know, in the previous section we just talked about. 01:12:22
Pretty much allocating all of the parks and rec. 01:12:25
Budget to a much bigger. 01:12:27
Program. 01:12:30
Or asset. 01:12:31
And I much support that over. 01:12:35
This part of my frustration is, is kind of what David brought up if the HOA. 01:12:37
Didn't care enough to. 01:12:43
Do it themselves. 01:12:44
It's frustrating that then the city has to put a bill for it. 01:12:46
I do think it's a net benefit that we. 01:12:51
Got the lands to put the trail through. 01:12:53
The kind of mock up that you had shown on the the presentation. 01:12:57
I don't think is very conducive to being a dog park. 01:13:01
Granted, obviously we still have to go through. 01:13:05
Planning and design for this. 01:13:08
But if we're going to pursue it, it would be my. 01:13:10
Recommendation that we do it as. 01:13:14
Supportively as possible. 01:13:18
I would think about, you know. 01:13:20
Irrigation and. 01:13:22
Sod with a couple trees and a bench. 01:13:24
'Cause it's it's. 01:13:26
Dog park. If we're really talking about dog park, the dogs don't need them. 01:13:28
Flower beds and all that stuff. And to be honest, they'll destroy. 01:13:32
So I think it's better to go. 01:13:36
Minimalistic. 01:13:38
With a. 01:13:40
The simple design would be my my kind of recommendation. 01:13:41
And I think the fact that we're talking about $200,000 or a quarter $1,000,000 here. 01:13:46
Is insane. 01:13:50
I have on multiple occasions as a private resident. 01:13:53
Landscaped acre lots. 01:13:56
For $50,000 and under. 01:13:58
And so part of me wonders, is this just the cost of the bureaucracy? 01:14:01
And if it is, I think it's wobbly, inefficient and we need to find a way to make a cut cut or a. 01:14:05
More affordable decision. 01:14:10
If I can just speak to that, wait, wait. 01:14:13
100% agree with you. Don't feel like a bad guy, not a bad guy. 01:14:15
Totally valid, I don't think don't love dogs. No. You have dog. I have a dog. He's Yeah, talking about the. 01:14:21
I never will. 01:14:28
As a Parks and Rec director, when I saw those numbers too, I was like. 01:14:29
What Mike it, It didn't make sense to me. 01:14:34
But I think that. 01:14:37
There is a little bit of an outlier because in that projected design, you're right, it didn't necessarily. 01:14:38
Just show a dog park. It had a pavilion, it had a playground, it had all kinds of stuff. So that's going to reduce a huge cost. 01:14:44
And and really essentially what I am hoping to get out of this conversation because this was turned over to. 01:14:52
The parks and routine. 01:15:00
Is. 01:15:02
Is there interest in City Council that we send out a survey to the public to ask? 01:15:04
For this portion of land, what do you want to see there? Do you not even want to go there? Do you want to set a budget 1st and 01:15:10
then we go to them in the presentation that there was. 01:15:15
Strong community support, at least in Tucker Row for a dog park specifically. 01:15:21
The the reality of the situation is because of the location there. 01:15:25
No one outside of Tucker Row is going to go and use that space. 01:15:29
So it's really just. 01:15:33
The gateway like you mentioned, people coming and going to the the track station. 01:15:34
Or frontier front runner shop and people who are maybe walking through. 01:15:39
Headed to downtown Vineyard, right? Or going to Bella's or something like that? 01:15:43
I don't foresee. 01:15:47
Anyone going out of their way or going past? 01:15:49
Vineyard Grove Park or Penny Springs Park to go and use that. 01:15:52
Space. 01:15:56
The self dogs. 01:15:58
Say again, if they have dogs, maybe. 01:16:00
Why would you choose that over the much bigger field than any of the other parks? Because. 01:16:02
Well, they're not dog parks. 01:16:07
But that doesn't mean dogs can't be at those parts, though. 01:16:08
They're gonna be off. 01:16:11
Can you guys hear me? Sorry. So here's the thing. 01:16:14
Accommodation also occurs in other liability, though. Dogs fight, they fight each other. They bite people. 01:16:19
But it's one of those things where that space. 01:16:24
Designated for that. So if you're gonna pay you skilled dog, they're off leash. 01:16:27
You should expect some few things. 01:16:32
OK, so. 01:16:34
I I guess I guess my issue is the way it's designed here is. 01:16:35
I mean, we laid out the trail you got. 01:16:39
You're leaving. 01:16:41
Something you've done to it? 01:16:45
And then you have the other other. This is. 01:16:47
Closer to the overpass. 01:16:49
That's about parking. Why? Why We just make it. 01:16:50
Just, you know, bring that Y close over the edge so you have that larger area for a dot bar. Just fence the whole thing. Put a 01:16:54
bench or two in a tree and call it good. 01:16:58
We don't need a design for that. 01:17:01
It's doing. 01:17:03
That's kind of my. 01:17:04
Theory of my thought. 01:17:05
Too I'm I'm in align with David in that that. 01:17:06
Area that's pretty unusable or that's out of the way? 01:17:09
Zero skate that bad boy. And then for the dog part, we should. 01:17:12
Saw a fence bench. 01:17:15
So I. 01:17:19
Can I please sponsor that yes degree? 01:17:21
So that's like task. 01:17:24
Which doesn't divide here the side, the middle side that looks almost usable. 01:17:25
Has stuck underneath like infrastructure. 01:17:30
That we need to be. 01:17:33
You know, stormwater related things that would need to be. 01:17:35
Accessed overtime. 01:17:39
So they didn't have to like. 01:17:40
This an engineering can talk more about the reasoning behind the curve in that. 01:17:43
That trail, but that's that's some sorry I'm. 01:17:47
I don't think we put resources now trying to change that. 01:17:50
I'm just thinking how do you work around it then you? 01:17:54
You do something cost effective. Oh yeah, 0 escaping in that space. 01:17:56
Because you're not going to separate the dog park by the trail and have. 01:18:01
The fence broke. 01:18:06
I'm assuming you wanna have the dog fart fully fenced to keep the dogs in the dog park. 01:18:07
Yeah, Essentially my recommendation from staff would be that we do this in house. 01:18:12
There's no 100% agree. There's no reason this is such a small area. Like why go out and get a yeah? 01:18:16
Company to do it when it's gonna be. 01:18:23
Multi $100,000. 01:18:25
Thank you. We can do this for. 01:18:27
So it's landscapers, man. They just put, they put the eyeball. That's right. 01:18:28
If you read them against each other, they do a pretty good job of being competitive. 01:18:32
Yeah. OK. So Spinoff could use artificial turf instead. Well that. 01:18:37
That's it for that. That's the appointment. 01:18:42
That's right, that's like seeing some cases workbook. 01:18:45
Yeah, I know it's expensive, but then it never has to be maintained exactly. 01:18:47
Good enough you'll have to hose it off. I mean that's how you maintain it after dog usage. 01:18:52
So Ezra has a question. 01:18:56
Can you guys hear me now if we can hear? 01:18:59
Yeah, let's we're working on that. OK, technical. 01:19:01
Sorry, Nope, it's not wanting to do it there either. 01:19:05
That's great. OK. 01:19:08
Ezra, do you wanna call me real fast? 01:19:09
Type it in the chat. 01:19:11
Yeah. 01:19:12
Call me, I'll put you on speaker. 01:19:14
Let's see. 01:19:18
Emma, I just don't know if that's going to give us an echo. I wouldn't say this has been. 01:19:19
Obviously not been a priority project for. 01:19:24
For us. 01:19:27
We just wanted to bring this to you just for your awareness. Thank you. 01:19:28
The fact that now we own it, so is there anything else? 01:19:32
Ohh, there we go. 01:19:36
Oh, can you hear me now? 01:19:38
Yes. 01:19:39
Hey, OK, I was just going to say so sorry this is from like a few minutes ago, but. 01:19:40
I was gonna say yeah, if it's programmed as a dog park, I do think it'll see usage just because right now people are driving to 01:19:45
that. I think our most popular area for for dogs. 01:19:50
Is that little patch of grass that's kind of by the orchards, if you guys are familiar with that one? 01:19:54
Where? 01:19:59
It's not really programmed as a dog park, but it's a kind of a fenced off area. 01:20:01
Or other other parks that we have don't really have that fenced off area so. 01:20:05
Honestly, I think that's probably the biggest benefit is if we just had some fenced area. 01:20:09
People. 01:20:14
Go out there. This trail really connects to all the different neighborhoods. I I do think it would see how usage is based off. 01:20:16
The fact that right now people are going South of Center St. 01:20:22
Where there's no other facilities. 01:20:25
To that little you see that little l-shaped. 01:20:27
If you keep go EA little bit. 01:20:29
Right. 01:20:33
There in that green patch. 01:20:34
That's probably our most. 01:20:36
I mean, that is our most popular. 01:20:38
Dog park that's not. 01:20:40
A dog park. 01:20:42
And it used to say the Vineyard Dog Park was the name of it on Google even. 01:20:44
But it's not even. 01:20:48
I don't think it's a city asset. I think it actually is responsible. 01:20:50
Can't use it for. 01:20:57
Dogs anyway. Supposedly. 01:20:59
Yeah. 01:21:00
So it's become that makeshift area. And as you can see, there's not really. 01:21:01
I mean, there's not really any parking there's. 01:21:05
Even more limited accessibility to this area than there is to that north side. 01:21:08
So yeah. 01:21:13
I, I, I think people would travel a good bit to. 01:21:16
To go to that and utilize it if. 01:21:19
As long as the amenity is there, which is really the fence, the fence is the main thing they need. 01:21:21
I do think. 01:21:26
It will be more expensive than. 01:21:27
You know, the private sector. 01:21:30
Comparison of just looking at. 01:21:31
What it would cost to like landscape a home or something like that? 01:21:33
But I do think we can significantly bring those costs down. 01:21:35
We just will have other considerations like the stormwater. 01:21:39
Water runoff. 01:21:41
You know all all all the different types of things that. 01:21:43
We have to consider as a government entity, but. 01:21:45
Yeah, doing it in house can be. 01:21:47
Quite a bit cheaper. 01:21:50
Essentially the way that I see this project is we could potentially go for a your grant for this next year. 01:21:53
And ideally for that if. 01:22:00
If there was appetite to. 01:22:01
Build this out. 01:22:03
It would be ideal to maybe have direction from you of do you want us to go to the public to do a survey to see what they want? 01:22:06
Or do we just set a budget? 01:22:13
And then we go to the mask, what they want. 01:22:15
I think, I think that probably where I'm at with this, I think this is a good. 01:22:17
20272028 project perhaps kind of with my head's on it. I love the skate park. I think we're gonna let's focus on that. 01:22:23
Yeah. And then? 01:22:29
Get a little rap tax coming, you know, whatever that is. 01:22:31
You know Bryce is going to donate all the stuff. 01:22:33
Can you cover the extras? But we can start doing the wrap for that, right? 01:22:35
So that's just kind of my head. So I mean, we're talking about three to four months of wrap tax would fund that project. Yeah, I 01:22:39
mean, if we do it internally prioritize. 01:22:43
I build. Obviously this is what I do for a living. I build these. 01:22:47
I have 100 of them going on. 01:22:51
I think that we could do in house properly around 80 to $100,000 would be just like off the top might, might be my guess, yeah. 01:22:53
Would be the hard cost if we do like it said. 01:23:00
Saw irrigation, couple trees in the bench, something like that. Maybe a fence too because I I feel like Ezra's idea that's I think 01:23:02
the fence is key. 01:23:06
So I don't, I don't think that people are going to want to go there with their dog. 01:23:10
Pick up a leash and have them run them. 01:23:13
Into the road, it's fight. 01:23:14
Yeah #1. 01:23:18
Yeah, yeah. 01:23:20
So I. 01:23:21
But I I do think that I think on this one. 01:23:22
Would probably just be weight. 01:23:25
And then we'll. 01:23:27
Get to the next. 01:23:28
You know, maybe wait a year. 01:23:30
And that is safe. I'll say this it. 01:23:32
You survey. 01:23:34
The surrounding area of the community and this community support for it and you get a grant for it that you will never have 01:23:35
pushback from me. 01:23:38
If if there's a way that we can fund it through fundraising or or raising a grant, I fully support that 100%. 01:23:41
So if we go ahead and do a survey, just ask, hey. 01:23:47
If the city were to build this out, what would you want to see? 01:23:50
Yeah, I, I, I, I really like that. 01:23:52
Provide options even. Again, you could say, look, we're talking about this as a dog park or a. 01:23:55
Small park with pavilion, you know. 01:24:01
Which you prefer? 01:24:03
Any, any of that stuff. And again, if there's if there's strong community support for a dog park. 01:24:04
And we can get a grant for it. I I'm all about going full scheme ahead. 01:24:09
OK. So I'll just plan to make sure we create a survey, we can send it out to the public, but make sure that it's a clear 01:24:13
expectation that. 01:24:16
This isn't being built out. 01:24:20
If it were to get funding, what would you want to see? 01:24:22
So that way there's not expectation like part that's happening this year. 01:24:25
And then that gives us the. 01:24:29
The public feedback that we need to then be able to go to a grant, potentially give one. 01:24:31
Yeah, OK. 01:24:36
Yeah, grants. 01:24:40
And so this way. 01:24:41
Well, thank you all. 01:24:43
This presentation was intended to turn some you know. 01:24:45
Things up in the brain so you can. 01:24:49
Be excited about what could happen in the space. 01:24:51
Whatever we have designed us, the concept is not cast in stone. 01:24:53
It could totally change. 01:24:57
Based on your direction and timing for that. 01:24:59
So thank you again. 01:25:01
Hey, thank you, Anthony. We'll go ahead and move on to thank you, Sir. 01:25:03
Great presentation. 01:25:08
And then your computer up a little bit, so. 01:25:09
As they can see your face. 01:25:12
There you go. 01:25:13
Give up. No shot what he presents today, Yeah. 01:25:17
We'll fix it. 01:25:21
Per Future Meeting. 01:25:25
And you gotta find a way to make that thing strange, like you do for City Council meetings. Yeah, there's. 01:25:26
OK. 01:25:36
Let's go into the central corridor plan. 01:25:39
So to give you. 01:25:42
A rundown on this. 01:25:44
Back in 2022. 01:25:46
The planning department worked on putting together a. 01:25:49
Master plan for the. 01:25:54
Center of the city for. 01:25:56
Park space. 01:25:58
And in that it has. 01:26:00
Various. 01:26:02
Amenities. Stuff included. 01:26:04
This was done before I was put in as Parks and Rec director. 01:26:06
And while I was part of the committee, I didn't. 01:26:10
Feel like I have a ton of say on what was included. 01:26:13
And with what was approved, that I have a lot of concerns from a Parks and Rec perspective. 01:26:16
And so I just want to. 01:26:21
Make you aware of. 01:26:24
From a Parks and Rec perspective, what our thoughts are on edits to this? 01:26:26
And to verify your thoughts on if you're in support of us. 01:26:30
Going and. 01:26:33
Editing this. 01:26:35
This plan. 01:26:36
Just so that we can plan accordingly. So as an example on this first slide, so this is existing Grove Park. 01:26:38
One feature on here is a dog park. 01:26:46
As you probably see here. 01:26:50
With it being right next to just this natural area. 01:26:54
I just don't feel like that's the best location for a dog park. Where. 01:26:58
You could have the feces that you know. 01:27:03
Runs off into that. 01:27:05
Also just the fact that it's at our highest programmed. 01:27:07
Park for recreation sports. 01:27:11
While it was mentioned earlier, like a lot of people bring their dogs to the park, but they're. 01:27:14
Essentially supposed to be on a leash. 01:27:19
And so by having a dog park there, we feel like that's just. 01:27:22
An invitation to bring more dogs. And while dogs are great. 01:27:25
We don't want them running on our fields while we have games going on. 01:27:29
And so that's one. 01:27:32
Change that I would want to make there. 01:27:34
And then this is. 01:27:36
A little bit further South, so this is the existing Gammon Park here. 01:27:38
These are This is the Robbins property, which is like the pumpkin patch. 01:27:43
Land, you're probably familiar with that, but there's some things on here that. 01:27:47
Are problematic in my mind. 01:27:52
Or that I think we could do without. 01:27:55
So this area here is an all abilities playground. 01:27:57
Since this plan was passed. 01:28:02
Utah City is actually initiated for All Abilities Park to be built in Utah City. 01:28:05
And so I don't foresee the need for. 01:28:11
This specific park. 01:28:14
Given in correlation with our Parks and Rec Master plan. 01:28:16
So that's a huge savings that we could potentially have as a city by removing that. 01:28:19
There's also a. 01:28:25
Very small parking lot here. It only has. 01:28:26
Like 60 to 80 stalls. 01:28:29
With having 2 soccer fields, tennis courts. 01:28:31
Potentially baseball in a Community Center, it just. 01:28:35
In my mind it doesn't make any sense to only have 60 to 80 stalls. 01:28:38
And I think. 01:28:42
To give them benefit. 01:28:44
Uh, just. 01:28:45
There was parking across the street. 01:28:47
At the school. 01:28:48
But essentially that school has events going almost all the time, and so if the plan is to. 01:28:50
You know, have soccer fields and program this and potentially have a Community Center. We would definitely want to have more 01:28:56
parking. 01:28:59
So that that is my biggest concern with this plan. 01:29:02
They do have the on street. 01:29:06
Parking that's. 01:29:08
Angled, I do have some concerns with that. 01:29:10
I attended a. 01:29:14
Expensive driving, training and. 01:29:18
From what I remember from that, the most common accident comes from. 01:29:20
Driving in reverse. 01:29:25
And so I feel like that just it doesn't support. 01:29:27
The findings on that training and I, I hope this doesn't come off route to the. 01:29:30
To the planning department, I don't mean to throw anything under the bus, but just from a Parks and Rec perspective, I just. 01:29:34
Want to make you aware of kind of how this would affect us. 01:29:40
It has a lot of trails that come in and through the park where we feel like. 01:29:43
If we didn't have trails going through the middle of the park, we would have a lot more programmed space. 01:29:47
They have two tennis courts here, but from a recreation standpoint. 01:29:53
We could host for youth. 01:29:58
Programs and also tournaments if we had at least four courts. 01:30:00
This plant has a dog park in the middle, right next to a community garden. 01:30:05
And I just don't think that that's the ideal. 01:30:09
Location for a dog park. 01:30:11
I just felt like if I'm. 01:30:13
Going to a garden and growing food. I know I don't want to smell dog poop. 01:30:14
And then they also have a baseball field in the soccer field, so there's a backstop. 01:30:19
Which means it would limit us for soccer planning. 01:30:24
And we would have to have smaller soccer fields. 01:30:27
So that we don't have people run into the. 01:30:29
And then lastly. 01:30:33
Over here. 01:30:34
With the skate park. 01:30:35
This isn't quite to scale based off of my measurements. 01:30:37
They had four pickleball courts. 01:30:41
Plan to come over here but it just doesn't fit the space. 01:30:43
And so essentially. 01:30:47
I would want to remove the the pickleball courts there. 01:30:48
There's already on this plan. 01:30:52
At Grove Park. 01:30:55
To have 12 pickleball courts go in place of the two tennis courts at Grove Park. 01:30:56
So if we have 12 there and there's potentially 4 planned in the holdaway fields. 01:31:01
Development. 01:31:07
Which that would give us 16 quarts. I don't think we need more than. 01:31:08
16 quarts for. 01:31:11
The city of Vineyard. 01:31:13
I mean obviously I'm one, I'm biased and I have my opinions, but I just want to let you know just my thoughts as a. 01:31:15
Parks and Rec director. 01:31:21
Just how I feel about. 01:31:23
That plan? 01:31:24
And so as a result, I just kind of did a sketch. 01:31:26
Of. 01:31:30
Kind of what I think would be ideal in coordination with. 01:31:31
Our parks manager. Our rec team. 01:31:34
Like events, employees. 01:31:38
So essentially this has a lot of the same features, but it's just. 01:31:40
Differently organized. 01:31:43
And so we still have the two soccer fields. 01:31:46
The baseball field that's existing there is, I think, super epic. 01:31:49
The community. 01:31:53
During the survey. 01:31:54
Of putting together this plan, we're very pro baseball. 01:31:56
And so. 01:32:00
That is why the planning department did put a baseball field. 01:32:02
There, but I just I would recommend that we keep the existing one. 01:32:05
Just because it's already there and it's been phenomenal. 01:32:10
There's enough space where we can have two baseball fields facing each other. 01:32:13
And that would give us the ability to. 01:32:17
Then offer uh. 01:32:20
More of a machine pitch league for kids we don't foresee Vineyard having. 01:32:21
Baseball fields in the new year future. 01:32:26
But having Little League is basically what we've been offering to this point and. 01:32:28
That would just help us to further our programs with what we currently offer. 01:32:32
Having four tennis courts. 01:32:36
Have a parks area with offices. 01:32:38
And then? 01:32:42
This would be a. 01:32:44
A stage so we could host events. 01:32:45
If you're familiar with. 01:32:47
Orem's Park, they have like a permanent stage. 01:32:48
And we spend about. 01:32:52
$25,000 a year just for stage rentals for our events. 01:32:53
And so by us having a. 01:32:58
A stage that's permanent. 01:33:00
That could allow us to avoid that ongoing cost. 01:33:02
And would allow us to have a second. 01:33:07
Awesome, thank you for hosting events instead of it just being just Grove Park 'cause that park is already very over programmed. 01:33:09
And then this trail. 01:33:17
Specifically, measures out to be 1/2 mile. 01:33:19
Around the park so that we could actually host. 01:33:22
Races here. 01:33:25
And so this is kind of like from a staff viewpoint, we think this would be ideal. 01:33:27
Of course it. 01:33:31
Comes down to what the public wants to see. 01:33:33
But what I am interested in? 01:33:35
Asking from the City Council is if. 01:33:38
There is any appetite to. 01:33:40
Agree with any of those ideas of us potentially going to make those edits. 01:33:42
So that we can. 01:33:47
I'm up it to your. 01:33:50
My first stock oil worker. 01:33:52
My first thought is you'll receive. 01:33:54
I think push back. 01:33:57
From the community about removing the volatilities aspect of the park. 01:33:58
And nobody from. 01:34:02
The South side of Vineyard wants to go to Utah City to use their old abilities park and no one from Utah City is going to go to 01:34:04
the South side of Vineyard to use the old abilities park. Is probably better to just have more all abilities parks. 01:34:09
I recognize that that comes. 01:34:15
At both the financial cost and a cost to. 01:34:16
Parking infrastructure. 01:34:20
I think. 01:34:22
It's beneficial for the community, especially when you think about putting on a soccer program or a baseball program. 01:34:23
Families take the whole family to the park for those events. 01:34:29
And the people that aren't participating in the soccer game are maybe playing on the playground equipment, so it's good to have 01:34:32
that. 01:34:35
For the family appeal, in my opinion. 01:34:37
If you don't mind, would you go back to the? 01:34:41
Current plan. 01:34:43
I agree with actually a lot of what she said about it maybe not being. 01:34:45
As efficiently used and it looks like the the planning. 01:34:49
Committee tried to or the planning department tried to put. 01:34:52
A lot in. 01:34:55
I I 100% agree with the dog park removal. Nobody wants to have that next to a community garden. 01:34:57
And my the question here. 01:35:02
Is directly South of the existing. 01:35:05
80 stalls of parking. 01:35:07
There's that green space. Is that just? 01:35:09
Grass. 01:35:11
And if it is just grass, why not extend parking into that? 01:35:12
You keep the all abilities part and that's not to say we couldn't. 01:35:16
Change the layout of. 01:35:19
Some of the hard to have. 01:35:21
The double baseball or the the soccer fields? 01:35:22
Way I really agree. I like what you said about moving the courts the pickleball and tennis. 01:35:26
So my thought would be can we extend parking? 01:35:32
South. 01:35:34
Keep the Allabilities park. 01:35:36
I don't know, that's just where my mind's at. 01:35:38
And, and the baseball part of that. 01:35:40
No, no, this is small part of it. Well, the problem is the back. 01:35:42
Backstop. 01:35:45
Let's see this. Could you go back to the first proposal? What was the garden, though, is what I'm. 01:35:47
Like so this is where he started Current baseball park setup. 01:35:52
'Cause like this sketch right here keeps the current baseball. 01:35:56
You know the existing. We'll know that one had an extra, I guess. 01:35:59
Right and in the middle of the soccer field, correct. He was stuck on that other one on the left side. 01:36:04
But I'm saying we you can hybridize those. 01:36:08
Keep the existing baseball infrastructure. 01:36:11
And still separate the new fields to be a soccer field. 01:36:14
I mean it would fit according to this and his sketch. 01:36:19
Let's do this. Let me look. Let's. 01:36:23
1.1 over here. Let's do this. Let's start like. 01:36:24
Start the next one back. 01:36:27
The the one previous, let's have a discussion. 01:36:29
No. Grove Park. Grove Park. I'm sorry. Hold account. Go to Grove Park. 01:36:32
So this right here, this this current state right here. 01:36:36
But this one it currently is yes. 01:36:39
Yes, and then you propose. 01:36:41
So let's. 01:36:43
Discuss the proposals that Brian offered on this first one in Kyiv Super. 01:36:44
Sequentially go through your presentation on this be alright. 01:36:47
Yeah. So this is I think I. 01:36:50
I think. 01:36:52
Where I'm at, I like the idea of getting rid of the dog park. I think that's why it's not having dogs next to the biggest. 01:36:53
Park in the city I. 01:36:58
OK. I would offer that. 01:37:00
So, yeah, OK, so I. 01:37:01
Couple history on this this big central corridor plan. 01:37:04
It was it was done. They hired a firm to come in and they they had people put. 01:37:07
Thoughts on maps and things like that and so forth. It was all. 01:37:11
But that's all wishlist. No, no one. They asked me, would you like to have this yesterday, November city. 01:37:14
No one else. Would you be willing to pay this much to have this in your city for sure, right? Never. Never has. Once. 01:37:19
And so and so I will. 01:37:24
Also, we're programming a lot of land out here that's not ours to program. 01:37:26
We're programming a lot of wetlands out there which we have no control. 01:37:30
And so it seems to me that that that that. 01:37:34
Corridor planned. 01:37:37
Was was flawed to start with? 01:37:38
Wave 1 and in fact this we're we're kind of using land we can. 01:37:40
The flowers to use. 01:37:44
I don't mind editing, I think it needs to be almost scrapped to start again practically. 01:37:45
But but but but I think we. 01:37:49
But I really want to be careful that we're not including. 01:37:53
Land that we don't have rights. 01:37:56
Two programs longer and what's the necessity for any of the programming in that wetlands area? 01:37:58
Nothing. Yeah, the community just wanted it to be walking trails. Well, previous administration wanted it to be. 01:38:05
Programmed is in the sense that there's the trail that goes all the way around it and there's the wood bridge that goes through, 01:38:13
right. 01:38:16
Bridges, plural. 01:38:19
So. 01:38:21
Confused it. 01:38:22
I guess it would just be an expansion of that. 01:38:23
So they they said they have gone through it, done delineation. 01:38:26
On the wetlands, yeah, 'cause not all the dead. 01:38:29
You get red eliminated, then could become usable. 01:38:33
Space there. 01:38:35
Sorry, been a state office completed yet? The scene would answer that further, but even behind here. 01:38:36
We've talked about rehabilitating that so that we could utilize. 01:38:41
Summit space. It was technical wetlands, but sure it was only wetlands because. 01:38:45
There have been like farmers in back in the day, they put water there in the United Kingdom for some of that too. 01:38:49
In winter times it was wet. 01:38:55
But it's been dry the last. 01:38:57
30 years. 01:38:58
Yeah, we have the flood irrigated and whatnot. 01:39:00
And if you ask me a lot, I'll park into Moorpark. 01:39:03
I I am just. 01:39:06
My perspective also a little bit. 01:39:09
Surprise. 01:39:12
That's how I mean if. 01:39:14
Presented 3 different parks. 01:39:16
And all three of these parks have a dog park. 01:39:17
Aspects to them. 01:39:20
And as I go back to what you're saying, David, like everyone at at the time, right there was a lot of we wanted. 01:39:22
Dogs and. 01:39:29
Yeah, 26 reality, right. So one thing about about the wetlands, I mean. 01:39:31
Yeah, they're drying out there wasn't fiscal irrigation. There's springs throughout there, Sure. And there's there's more rain in 01:39:36
the air to toggle springs are more active, yes. 01:39:39
And so if you look at a map you can you can see vegetation where all drains out. So so we have to keep. 01:39:43
I mean, it will always necessarily be a. 01:39:48
You know, as dry as as now. 01:39:50
So we have to be aware of that. You want to build, you want to build something on that for Spring anything. 01:39:52
Right. Yeah. 01:39:56
So there's reasons for. 01:39:57
Is that's it the way it is? 01:39:59
We need. 01:40:01
We need to double check and make sure we really are uh. 01:40:01
Building or designing things to be built on land that really should be built on number 1. So that's that's a big concern. 01:40:04
If we're programming, I'm gonna say OK, we should have. 01:40:10
We could put a trail through here and have a raised bridge. Oh, that's OK. 01:40:13
But but you know, but we're feeling, you're feeling a course down for the South as well worth along that plan. 01:40:16
It's just, it's a concern and and. 01:40:22
And I don't. I never liked the layout of the other plant. The other. 01:40:24
The other. 01:40:28
You know, the clay. The clay. 01:40:29
That played with the. 01:40:31
Problems Do Robins land? 01:40:32
I I never have liked that. I think that's very poor use of it. So if, if we can find a way better laid that out fine. I don't. 01:40:34
Ugliest park? Yeah, we probably need lunch. 01:40:40
But all those for before we need one. 01:40:42
But but the layout. 01:40:46
Sucks. It doesn't make any sense. 01:40:48
Hi, use of existing facilities at all? 01:40:50
So on the slide that you have up right now, my my initial thought is I. 01:40:54
Generally support. 01:40:59
Everything to the West. 01:41:01
Of the. 01:41:03
North Trail. 01:41:04
In the center. 01:41:05
And everything to the east seems. 01:41:07
Unnecessary. 01:41:10
OK, is my opinion. 01:41:12
So you're just saying? 01:41:14
As it currently sits, just go in the parking lot. 01:41:15
The the North Park language right now, it's even changed with the pickleball courts. Yeah, right. But. 01:41:18
But I like the layout on. 01:41:24
The West Side. 01:41:26
And on the. 01:41:28
East Side, I think there's a lot of cost savings that you just. 01:41:30
You don't have to. You don't need to raise boardwalks right now, correct to add to. 01:41:33
Well, yeah, I. 01:41:38
I I would agree I. 01:41:39
In my mind, I thought it was done. The race war, I thought all those things, they exist. They exist. Chris is a building. That's 01:41:41
what I'm saying. Some of them exist. 01:41:45
That's what I'm saying. In my mind I thought, well, it existed, was. 01:41:48
Final state like oh this. 01:41:51
Great, So I. 01:41:53
Happy with where it is today. 01:41:54
Play the committee come. 01:41:57
Please we have a comment about. 01:42:01
The other part when we get there. 01:42:07
But I. 01:42:09
Attended both of. 01:42:13
The town halls. 01:42:15
For this. 01:42:17
Specifically for the fishhook. 01:42:19
Art and whether or not it's it's practical. 01:42:21
But there there was a lot of. 01:42:27
Public support. 01:42:29
At that time. 01:42:30
Or or some trails. 01:42:32
Now, again, we're not engineered. 01:42:34
But we're just letting it know there was. 01:42:36
And then? 01:42:40
I think that's what the Council member Larae is saying, is that. 01:42:41
These things were presented as a wish list. 01:42:44
And of course, everybody wants to accept all of the improvements that you can get to your parks and your infrastructure. Everyone 01:42:47
wants to have the better place. 01:42:51
So we're not ever going to get a no on that until it comes to. 01:42:55
What are you willing to pay for it? 01:42:58
I would bring a lot of money to some. 01:43:00
So Graph Experiment Boston to go out and cram everything into it in this picture. 01:43:02
I mean just in the 1st. 01:43:07
2 presentation aspects. 01:43:08
We've now essentially. 01:43:11
Gone over when? 01:43:13
The Parks and Rec department would have had money for by $300,000 and then every additional thing that we talk about. 01:43:14
Is further going over that. 01:43:21
And then there becomes a need to either. 01:43:23
Full budget from other places for increased taxes and I'm not willing to increase taxes and I'm. 01:43:25
Fully budget from another place is difficult when you start doing it in hundreds of thousands of dollar increments. And I have no 01:43:31
no. 01:43:34
Opposition to making a wish list and prioritizing it. 01:43:37
I think that's a great idea. And then doing it with the wrap taps overtime. 01:43:40
I would, however we do it that four times, yeah. 01:43:43
Ezra, did you have? 01:43:46
He had a comment. 01:43:47
Yeah, yeah. Sorry. My my comments are just gonna second that at Parker's a little bit. I'm and I'm sorry I missed the the early 01:43:48
part of the meeting here. 01:43:51
But it sounds like you guys talked about the budget a little bit. 01:43:55
Yeah. I mean, at the end of the day, I think. 01:43:59
We've got a lot of. 01:44:02
Great ideas out there. 01:44:04
And I think the best direction that we could give. 01:44:05
To to Brian, as if. 01:44:08
If there is some long-term planning needs. 01:44:10
That he. 01:44:13
That we we can give him the direction to say. 01:44:15
Yes, we, we are. 01:44:17
We're supportive of you making changes to these existing master plans, given that none of these improvements are going to be done. 01:44:19
The next half decade or. 01:44:25
Or or so on SO. 01:44:28
If we can just focus on, hey, what do we want to accomplish in the next two years? 01:44:30
I think. 01:44:34
Like a skate park is probably. 01:44:35
A project that would take. 01:44:37
Roughly that time. 01:44:39
And. 01:44:40
There are some plans that we can start on some of this other stuff, but. 01:44:42
As far as resources go, we're not going to have the like that parking lot alone. 01:44:45
Is like $2,000,000 because we've got to. 01:44:49
Create all of the underlying stormwater infrastructure to make that still work as a detention basin. 01:44:51
But then have parking on top of it. 01:44:56
And so when you start to think about. 01:44:58
The cost and the scale of these. 01:45:00
Types of projects. 01:45:02
I think we just need to scale back and say, OK, realistically what can we get done with this budget? 01:45:04
In these couple years. 01:45:08
Focus on that. 01:45:10
And then give that direction that yes, we are willing to change or look at anything. 01:45:12
Despite these existing plans that that we have. 01:45:17
That we have. 01:45:20
And we hope some grants, if you find grants that cover some of these things along the Bush list, that's great, we can move them 01:45:24
up. 01:45:27
I'm happy to write letters of recommendation for any grants. We love the grants. 01:45:30
I get like if we could narrow down a wish list to like. 01:45:34
Here's 5 things that if you can get grants, go ahead and pursue. 01:45:39
That will be plenty of. 01:45:43
I mean, a lot of these grants are. 01:45:45
Like 6 month long cycles of applying and getting the funding and all that stuff so we can narrow it down to like. 01:45:47
Here's the two concrete things we're gonna do. 01:45:53
Here's the five wish list, things we're going to do, and then everything else. 01:45:55
We're going to punt that discussion until. 01:45:59
Sometime in the. 01:46:02
Sometimes, probably after we're done serving. 01:46:03
I think that would be incredible direction to give to. 01:46:08
To these guys. 01:46:11
Thank you, Ezra. 01:46:14
Umm. So I just wanted to clarify a few concerns that. 01:46:15
Council member Loray brought up. 01:46:19
Before we arrive at any plant in the city. 01:46:22
It goes through a couple of processes, right? 01:46:25
And. 01:46:27
We're not just in the planning department. 01:46:28
Programming people's. 01:46:31
They're a part of the conversation. 01:46:33
So even before it gets to the point where public. 01:46:34
Gets involvement on Hey, can we put this here or there? 01:46:38
They have allowed that. 01:46:41
To happen or they're willing to work with the city. 01:46:43
To make that happen. 01:46:45
And there are a lot of moving parts to get to that point. 01:46:47
A bunch of conversations. 01:46:51
Move things to that and having this. 01:46:53
Plan and and again, I'm not making a case to have it all. 01:46:55
Be implemented now. 01:46:59
But it just. 01:47:00
Guides the growth of the city. 01:47:01
You don't wanna say, OK, we don't have a long term. 01:47:03
10-15 years out plan. 01:47:07
But. 01:47:09
Maybe this year we'll do a park here, corner. 01:47:10
How about another part next door? You know you don't want to do that. You want to. 01:47:13
Fish and you know, envision what's gonna happen and then piece meal. 01:47:16
And there's a, you know, standard practice and planning where after every 5. 01:47:20
To 10 years depend on how long that plan was planned out for. You want to revise that, you want to review it and say, hey, does it 01:47:24
make sense? 01:47:28
Parks meets five years ago. It's not the same as what we need right now. 01:47:32
Dog park was a big issue back in the day. 01:47:36
I don't think it's the same thing right now. 01:47:39
Maybe it is. 01:47:40
We don't know. 01:47:41
So it's essential that we do. 01:47:42
These long term style planning because it's. 01:47:45
It just guides what direction we're going and within that. 01:47:48
Time to review that if you think. 01:47:51
There's this direction in there that you're not. 01:47:53
Happy with? 01:47:56
That's what gives you the chance to, that's why your council members like. 01:47:57
We don't like this initial direction. 01:48:00
In the next 5-10 years. 01:48:02
We can change that up. 01:48:04
So I asked what is the actual? 01:48:06
Timeline or timeline for this master plan? Because it wasn't presented in that frame and so. 01:48:08
I I guess so it's I'll admit that I'm guilty of. 01:48:14
You guys are presenting this. I'm thinking these are all things that you're asking to do. 01:48:16
No. 01:48:20
I'm looking at is this a 15 year plan? Is this? 01:48:22
A10 year plan what? What's the actual? Yeah, that's great cycle for this. 01:48:30
Yeah. So this would be like this is like a. 01:48:34
Sorry, say again, Ezra. 01:48:38
Sorry, I can I can chime in on that too for for your guys's benefit. 01:48:40
It's, it's whatever resources we want to give them like this right now. As it stands, we're saying operate within your existing 01:48:43
budget. 01:48:47
This turns into a. 01:48:51
Never going to happen to a plan like 50 year plus. 01:48:53
But if we're saying, hey, we want to make strategic investments. 01:48:56
XY or Z? 01:48:59
Then like I mean anything can happen. 01:49:01
With the appropriate amount of resources. 01:49:03
And the appropriate amount of focus so. 01:49:06
For for us, I think. 01:49:09
That's the clear vision of. 01:49:10
We're giving you. 01:49:12
Your existing budget. 01:49:13
Plus any grants you can acquire. 01:49:15
And then now go ahead and answer that question, Brian. 01:49:18
That's perfect. Yeah. And I. 01:49:22
Thanks for clarifying that, Ezra. I would. 01:49:24
Definitely say yeah this is a long term thing and happy to. 01:49:26
Get some funding for that through with what Ezra had previously said. 01:49:30
I'd like to see maybe. 01:49:35
You know what's Over the next five years, what are the top priorities? 01:49:36
OK, what has the most community feedback or or support for? 01:49:40
If you could include that in your survey. 01:49:44
And seeing. 01:49:46
Thank you. I think everyone's in agreeance that the skate park is probably the top priority for Parks and Rec right now and 01:49:47
especially with a grant on the line like we want to pursue that actively and. 01:49:52
With vigor. 01:49:58
Yeah, so. 01:49:59
After that. 01:50:00
I mean that that largely speaks for all of the parks and Rec fund. 01:50:01
Through the completion of the skate park. 01:50:06
So then. 01:50:08
To my thought would be the next. 01:50:09
Planning step is OK. We know we have rap tax coming in roughly $20,000 a month moving forward. 01:50:10
What's the second priority? How long does it take for us to fund that work? 01:50:16
Fund it with rap tax and grants. 01:50:20
And then prioritize. OK, what's #3? 01:50:22
How long is it going to take to fund it? 01:50:25
Or can we get more grants for that? 01:50:27
I mean, that's what I. 01:50:28
I would want to see. 01:50:29
Yeah. And just to you know. 01:50:31
To what you've sent. 01:50:33
Haven't these plans again? 01:50:35
Is is beneficial? 01:50:37
To all of us. 01:50:40
You know a city. 01:50:41
Because it helps with the financial planning as well. And it also helps with again, I've talked about all the benefits of long 01:50:42
term planning, but. 01:50:46
It I just lost my train of thought but. 01:50:51
Help. Speeding grants. Yeah, that's what I'm gonna say. 01:50:55
If you don't have a plan, you cannot apply for a grant because how do you go and say I? 01:50:57
Wish to put up, you know, a dog park here? 01:51:02
What's the plan? How's it gonna look like? It doesn't have to be. 01:51:05
The same look, but they want to have that picture. You're selling division to them so you can get money. 01:51:08
And when you get the money? 01:51:13
It's not that you do what you want, but you build it the way you want it, not as it was. 01:51:15
Drawn here so. 01:51:20
That's the way around it and about why we need that. 01:51:21
Yeah, we're pro master plan. 01:51:25
I just need to understand that this is a 20 year question and not a we need. 01:51:27
$7,000,000 in the next two years. Vision No. 01:51:32
None of them. 01:51:35
Yeah, no money commitment here, just. 01:51:36
For I I think I think. 01:51:39
The the direction for you guys again, it's let's. 01:51:41
Focus on stick skate park. 01:51:45
Good alignment there. 01:51:46
Second priority would be. 01:51:48
Looking for grants for this other stuff is kind of gonna go. 01:51:50
Board and then I think too you. 01:51:53
We're gonna have a lot more clarity. 01:51:54
So once we go through our first budget process, what adjustments are we able to make that are reasonable for that? 01:51:56
And then? 01:52:01
And what? 01:52:02
Money we can loosen up and and. 01:52:03
You know what? What do we want to get back to the citizens, and what do we want to? 01:52:05
Reinvest for future. 01:52:08
Growth. Yeah, it's gonna be real helpful. So I think it'll be a lot more clarity. 01:52:09
Forthcoming on this over the budget process which is you know. 01:52:13
That's your starting to meet so. 01:52:17
OK, so the last thing I would say about this. 01:52:20
I guess. 01:52:23
Regarding the planning team, as this was done before the Parks and Rec master plan, but it's like they didn't have all that 01:52:25
information yet. 01:52:28
Gathered with us. 01:52:31
The person that really oversaw this isn't on the current. 01:52:33
Slacking team and so. 01:52:36
It was new. It was a new project and. 01:52:38
Anyway, I feel like I kind of move under the bus and I. 01:52:40
Don't mean so I I honestly I just spell it back. So no, you did try it now. 01:52:42
OK, so let's move on from that one. 01:52:48
Lakeside Park Agreement. 01:52:51
So this kind of ties into why I wanted to. 01:52:55
Talk about. 01:52:58
Last one. 01:52:59
Lakeside Park is. 01:53:01
Mostly owned by Orem City. 01:53:04
And partly owned by Vineyard. 01:53:06
This portion here. 01:53:10
Is Vineyard own land? 01:53:13
It's about 10 acres. 01:53:15
And. 01:53:18
Based off of an agreement that we have with Orem that was entered into many, many years ago. 01:53:19
We do not have access to program. 01:53:25
This land. 01:53:27
And we don't pay anything for this land or maintains it or programs it. 01:53:29
But we're in a situation in Parks and Rec where our programs, we just have so many. 01:53:35
Kids here and coming. 01:53:40
That are. 01:53:43
We are. 01:53:44
At capacity for Grove Park. 01:53:46
And so. 01:53:48
This just kind of seems like the. 01:53:49
Next step as far as. 01:53:52
Acquiring. 01:53:54
Property. 01:53:55
And so. 01:53:58
This last year we went and got the land appraised to determine what the value is and it's worth $5 million. 01:53:59
And. 01:54:08
So essentially there's. 01:54:09
There's a few different routes that we've. 01:54:10
I mean. 01:54:13
There's a lot of routes we could go about with this. 01:54:13
Orem City is interested in billing. 01:54:17
More parking. 01:54:20
There's been parking issues on 400 S for a really long time. 01:54:22
Just there's just not sufficient parking. 01:54:27
And they've wanted to build a parking lot on vineyards. 01:54:30
Portion of land. 01:54:36
And so that's kind of the skin that they. 01:54:39
That's kind of like what they're helping for with this park. 01:54:41
This is also a. 01:54:43
Economic impact. 01:54:45
Hub for them. 01:54:47
Right, so. 01:54:48
Having Vineyard come in and us just split it and say, OK, Vineyard, we're gonna take care of our portion. 01:54:50
Or I'm gonna take care of their portion. 01:54:56
That that is not ideal for them, that really just. 01:54:58
Kinda hurts all of their long term planning and I think. 01:55:01
That would really put us in a crutch. 01:55:05
Relationship with with Oram. 01:55:08
And so we've been meeting with them this past year to try and figure out, you know, what's a win, win situation that we could 01:55:10
have. 01:55:14
Umm, one option is. 01:55:18
We could just. 01:55:19
Amend the contract. 01:55:22
And just get use of. 01:55:23
Our specific land portion for you know, a couple nights a week for certain time frame and then we just help. 01:55:26
Cover some of the maintenance costs. 01:55:33
Another option which seemed to be. 01:55:36
Uh, really? A win win. 01:55:38
Is. 01:55:40
So they like to host tournaments here. 01:55:43
And it's hard for them to compete against. 01:55:45
Like the Epic park in Provo where they have many more fields. 01:55:49
And so if we were to have. 01:55:55
Fields. 01:55:57
Near to this? 01:55:59
That we could then. 01:56:01
Basically work with forum to host tournaments. 01:56:02
We could. 01:56:05
Potentially get tourism tax. 01:56:06
Money. Get a. 01:56:09
Big Grant. 01:56:11
To. 01:56:13
Potentially. 01:56:15
Partner with them host hermit. So let me. 01:56:16
Just show you a picture. 01:56:19
So there's been. 01:56:21
Research into this parcel here. 01:56:24
This is right next to the holdaway fields development. 01:56:27
This is owned by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and they own a number of properties along 400 S. 01:56:31
They're very interested in getting property up in Utah City and they've been in conversations with them. 01:56:38
And trying to work out a deal. 01:56:44
With that but essentially. 01:56:46
An idea that we've had is. 01:56:48
If that is able to work out to where the church is able to get land up there, it's possible we might be able to get this land 01:56:51
granted to the city. 01:56:56
And we could use the T tab funding. 01:57:01
To then pay for the build out of this parcel. 01:57:03
To build a park and it would have two soccer fields on there. 01:57:07
And then? 01:57:11
Essentially, we could have. 01:57:14
Forum kind of pay us off if we wanted to sell our portion of land. 01:57:15
To forum. So basically they're getting their. 01:57:19
Wish list. 01:57:22
And we're getting access to the fields that. 01:57:23
We're helping to get access to. 01:57:26
So the hope is that there wouldn't be any. 01:57:28
Necessarily any financial impact. 01:57:31
To the city and inspires this property exact so three would land swap church. 01:57:33
So. 01:57:39
Howard so Utah City so the church would provide land from Utah City. 01:57:40
Uh-huh. OK, so then violent from Utah City and then this. 01:57:44
That would become her dumb because I do have that other. 01:57:47
Church that just went in. 01:57:49
Right. 01:57:50
Richard. 01:57:51
Bryson on my board, we're fighting over, he gets, he's at the building property, just ignore it so. 01:57:54
Yeah, right, right here. They were his parcel for church. Oh, OK, so. 01:57:59
OK, so they have a ton of property down here, but they they want land up north there. OK. So so to them it's like, oh, this is 01:58:04
great if we can get lined up there like. 01:58:08
They're totally open to. Would you have discussions with the church about? 01:58:13
Them selling that to. 01:58:17
But what so So walk me through this so Utah City then violent up there or I'm with. 01:58:20
By that and then grant us. 01:58:26
This and then we would just do a land swap with them. 01:58:29
Yeah, basically, but we would have to. 01:58:32
Figure out with or how exactly that would work? Like would they be earmarking? 01:58:34
Half $1,000,000 a year of their rap tax or whatever it would come to us for. 01:58:37
10 years for 10 years until it's paying off. 01:58:42
So there's a, there's a number of things that we could do that's. 01:58:46
That's kind of the visual. 01:58:49
Idea. 01:58:50
Because technically. 01:58:51
It's our land, right? 01:58:53
The up at the Lakeside Park. 01:58:55
But then OK, have you? 01:58:57
That makes a lot of sense. Has anyone talked to Oram about just selling? 01:58:59
The land at the lakeside park outright and then using that money. 01:59:02
To develop the field infrastructure that we need to run the programs that you want to run. 01:59:07
I'm not sure if I totally understand your question. So you made the comment we have that that section. 01:59:12
Of uh. 01:59:17
The lakeside Sports Complex that we can't program. 01:59:18
Yeah. 01:59:21
And looking at it, it really can't be developed beyond parking. 01:59:22
I mean, based on the math, I'm just kind of, I'm looking at the reality of it. Nobody's putting a structure there really ain't 01:59:25
going to send. 01:59:28
Aurum wants it for parking. 01:59:32
Can we sell it to Orem for $5,000,000? Take that $5,000,000 as fund for the Parks and Rec. 01:59:34
To build the fields where like. 01:59:40
To the Gammon Park. 01:59:42
And actually set up stuff so that you can run your programming there. 01:59:44
Would that alleviate the problem of? 01:59:48
You need the space to run programming. 01:59:50
We can't do it at Lakeside. 01:59:52
We could sell it. 01:59:54
We could use the money to. 01:59:55
Make more space. The benefit of doing it down here is you get 2 more soccer field and you get a park. Closer to the South end. We 01:59:56
have our parks. 02:00:00
Yeah, or and I. 02:00:04
And I like what you're saying too, that when you left after. 02:00:05
If we get like a reasonably significant soccer complex, which is probably would. 02:00:08
Get us across the finish line, then we go after the tours packs. 02:00:12
As are you familiar with that? 02:00:15
That comes to the state, right is. 02:00:17
And is this. 02:00:20
Ezra, what are your thoughts on this? 02:00:22
Tourism tax grants come through the county. 02:00:26
Yeah, this, this is a really interesting parcel and it'd be interesting to see what what the community down there. 02:00:30
Thinks about it. 02:00:36
I mean, I've always. 02:00:37
Always agreed that. 02:00:39
This would be much more valuable in Oram's hands, given that we can't program it right now. 02:00:42
But I know there was some. 02:00:47
Basically historical like. 02:00:49
This was our last stake. 02:00:51
In in preventing from being taken over by Orem. Kind of. 02:00:53
Kind of deal, honestly, I think as long as we can get access to that park. 02:00:57
And if you go back to that first map where you had like the satellite imagery of. 02:01:03
Of the park, so maybe 2 slides back. 02:01:08
Yeah, right there you can kind of see. So there's. 02:01:12
There's a. 02:01:16
Holdaway Rd. there. 02:01:18
And there's that like yellow patch of grass that's basically like a perfect. 02:01:20
Connection into that other trail there. 02:01:25
Not that one. So that little the. 02:01:28
So let's see. 02:01:30
What direction am I facing? 02:01:32
That's the right picture, so go back to that picture. 02:01:33
So you see where the road ends. 02:01:36
And then there's that. 02:01:37
Yellow. 02:01:38
It almost looks like a trail, but it's actually just. 02:01:40
Beaten grass from where you can tell people you're just walking down there. 02:01:42
And they walk right over there to get to that. Yeah, right in there. 02:01:45
And how it leads up. 02:01:49
Like right into. 02:01:50
The other side street by that cul-de-sac. 02:01:52
So yeah, so, so go to the right. 02:01:59
On that map. 02:02:02
And then follow that road. 02:02:03
Down to the terminus of that road there. 02:02:05
Not that one, sorry, too far. 02:02:08
That little Rd. 02:02:09
Yeah, yeah. 02:02:11
At the station, that's the Oram Lip station. 02:02:12
You can. 02:02:16
So there's just that little string of grass like, right? 02:02:18
If you go directly up, yeah, right there. 02:02:21
So not that one necessarily, but the one next to it we're. 02:02:24
Actually, even both areas. 02:02:27
Basically, you can tell people are crossing over from Vineyard into this park. 02:02:28
And so as long as we can. 02:02:32
One, maintain that connection. 02:02:34
I think that that's an essential part that that people want to continue to see. 02:02:36
But it'd be awesome if we could maybe even sell. 02:02:40
The property for less than market value. 02:02:43
But then get. 02:02:46
A discount for. 02:02:48
For people in. 02:02:49
The city or even in this area, the South part of the city to be able to like join the programs there. I don't know if they they 02:02:51
are participating in. 02:02:55
And it but it'd be. 02:02:59
It almost be a shame to have like. 02:03:00
Hey, great. 02:03:03
Programmable use. 02:03:05
Here and then have one. 02:03:07
Kind of near it as well, but one's vineyard and one's orum when it's. 02:03:09
It's like, hey, we can all just. 02:03:12
Collaborate a little bit better. 02:03:14
Anyway, those are just some of my initial thoughts. 02:03:18
It'd be great to get some feedback from. 02:03:20
From that community to see how how important it is for them to maintain. 02:03:22
That Vineyard ownership. 02:03:27
And try to see what we could do to better better utilize that space. 02:03:29
It's kind of like awkward, Yeah, it's like an awkward because I've run through them pretty regularly. 02:03:39
Back. I mean it, it's got. 02:03:43
Just to the. 02:03:45
Northeast across the. 02:03:47
Path there, it's like that's a drainage. 02:03:49
Yeah, section. So that can't be used for anything. 02:03:52
The side that we're talking about, maybe, like David said, it was used for soccer. 02:03:55
It's not big enough for an actual soccer field. It's used for like Little League practices. Well, they actually do run Soccer 02:03:59
League all the time. I can tell you I've been listen, listen to him all the time. 02:04:04
Right across from. 02:04:09
I'm saying that dead patch of grass, that yellow piece, yes. 02:04:10
They actually run soccer games there all the time. 02:04:14
I think. 02:04:18
You're referencing. 02:04:18
The fields both. 02:04:20
East and northeast. 02:04:21
Well, all I know is that the people at the end of that cul-de-sac, you can see that very bottom of the screen there at the very 02:04:23
end and that the the house there. 02:04:27
They have they have their cleave lights right there in the backside of it and they have and they're shining in their windows all 02:04:30
the time and they and they have gamers on on that green turf field. They have green page on the green turf. They also have games 02:04:34
going on that on that. 02:04:39
Yellow section there as well. They go right there on three games down there. 02:04:43
So just like little like. 02:04:46
5-6 year olds just I don't know how old they are usually those are the like they weren't tiny tots are doing the practice stuff. 02:04:48
Playing or whatever, just just just saying they, they do have they, they do have that lined out as a field and they use it. 02:04:55
Sure, I love this. I love this exactly. 02:05:01
He was back or not. They saw they use it. 02:05:04
Yeah, I think, I think it's a great idea to have that conversation though and see if we could just. 02:05:10
Partner with Orem. 02:05:15
On this, we definitely want to make sure whatever it is that happens, we keep it open. 02:05:16
For our residents as well. 02:05:21
We'd hate to like sell it to them and then they just build a fence around it and. 02:05:22
Say alright, this is just ORM space only. 02:05:26
And that's really why we. 02:05:29
Insisted on keeping this when Vineyard was. 02:05:31
First incorporated from. 02:05:33
From my understanding. 02:05:35
So. 02:05:41
The what's what the ask on this. Let's circle back to the ask Brian, are you looking for direction on? 02:05:42
Kind of where we're at on this. 02:05:47
Yeah, I was kind of next step. So if there's any additional research that you want us to do? 02:05:49
From the staff side. 02:05:54
Happy to. 02:05:57
Yeah. 02:05:58
Do it. I'd be supportive of. 02:05:59
I'm working with Orem to see if we can. 02:06:04
Come to an agreement for the sale of that property. 02:06:06
As long as. 02:06:09
We maintain a tree or we create a trail that kind of connects these two. 02:06:11
Like that trail into into some city network. 02:06:15
And then? 02:06:19
Explore options where we could have discounts for our residents to. 02:06:22
To use it and we can work that into the purchase price. I don't think it, I don't think Orem is probably interested in buying 02:06:26
that. 02:06:29
Or $5,000,000 to just put parking there. Maybe they are if. 02:06:33
So then, great. 02:06:36
But if maybe we could negotiate a discount to that appraised value? 02:06:38
In exchange for. 02:06:42
Huge benefit to our residents and that connectivity. 02:06:43
I think we could. 02:06:46
We could work something out there. 02:06:47
The Housewife. 02:06:54
It's the West. 02:06:57
Or about this property rate? 02:07:00
Where they store all their. 02:07:02
I I think that I'm aligned better. I think if the discussion going forum alike. 02:07:04
Anytime the church is willing and able to sell land, I think that's. 02:07:08
Especially kind of the whole. 02:07:13
Concept I like. 02:07:15
Of. 02:07:17
The the length I mean, I'll I'll all work out but. 02:07:18
I think the the direction. 02:07:21
Is can you forward in discussion with them and see what we can? 02:07:22
With the kind of the parameters as outlined. 02:07:28
And I think it's it's a, it's. 02:07:30
Sound idea. 02:07:32
Workflows in one morning. 02:07:34
I agree pursuit of three-way swab, but with with conditions that Ezra's talking about, yeah. 02:07:36
OK. Brian, just because of the some of the stuff I've dealt with at the school there because that trail was used by the students 02:07:41
to give in elementary as well. 02:07:46
Yes, and probably 1.9 beginnings that that still connects to our level. 02:07:50
For students coming from Vineyard. 02:07:54
School through the park they slaughtered. Yeah, they're just the current plan. The current failed plan calls for a trail across 02:07:57
there in a connection. 02:08:01
We would need to make sure that's part of the part of the overall agreement, but that that plan stays in place. 02:08:05
That others put in place. 02:08:09
Get correct. 02:08:12
Sounds good. 02:08:13
So we'll look forward with that and then I'll just probably whoever the City Council 1 is thing. 02:08:14
Parks and Rec, I'll probably. 02:08:19
Have the council member come in the meetings with more and kind of be the voice for City Council and we'll come back. 02:08:21
I I think we're all pretty wide on this. It sounds like so. 02:08:27
As we're going to say, one one last thing. 02:08:30
Yeah, I'd love to get the engineers involved in that conversation because we can clean up. 02:08:33
You know, if they expand their parking lot, we could have another entrance that. 02:08:37
Doesn't make. 02:08:40
The one. 02:08:41
By the school so messy I know we're working on some stuff over there so. 02:08:42
Anyway, we can kind of. 02:08:45
Make that a part of it as well. 02:08:47
They we clean up that intersection or or the access into the parking there. 02:08:49
To make it safer for the kids walking and. 02:08:54
People turning left out of there would be amazing. 02:08:56
Uplight, that's going in right there and realigning the 600 E with the entrance to that parking lot. 02:09:00
Seems here you can talk about it. We got a grant for this here. 02:09:06
Yeah. May I look at that? 02:09:08
Yes, Yeah, it's already happened. We're we're already I know we're moving forward on that. So I mean this is great timing to. 02:09:10
Have that conversation so we can design that. 02:09:15
Or maybe even tweak the design to make it fit. 02:09:18
If we're. 02:09:20
You know, I'll have them expand their parking, I think. 02:09:21
Huge umm. 02:09:24
Well, I've got I have a hard stop. 02:09:27
In like 5 minutes. 02:09:29
Do you have anything else? Well, we we would still. 02:09:30
2:30. 02:09:32
Was that the the planner one was at 3? 02:09:33
03, Yeah, OK. 02:09:36
Do you want to keep going? I just gotta run to my next appointment. I can. 02:09:37
Call in and listen. I think so. 02:09:40
Just is that OK? Yeah, we can send you the link. 02:09:42
Do you have a mayor? Both end. 02:09:46
A sign Parker, All duties of mayor Pro Tem. 02:09:49
Open next appointment. Thank you, Mayor. 02:09:52
You guys are awesome. Thank you. Honestly, thank you so much for your hard work on this. Great. 02:09:55
You did your time, David. 02:10:02
Awesome. OK, so I wanted to ensure we gave time to our. 02:10:06
Recreation Manager and our Parks manager to just give you a rundown on. 02:10:11
On their team and and what they like to highlight and. 02:10:16
They do a phenomenal job. I'll have Zach Fady go first. He's our recreation manager. 02:10:19
He's been here for over a year. He. 02:10:26
Came from American Fork and his. 02:10:28
Been absolutely phenomenal. 02:10:30
And he recently was. 02:10:33
Selected to be. 02:10:36
The president-elect for. 02:10:38
The Central Utah Recreation and Parks Association and so. 02:10:41
That really is a phenomenal opportunity, not only for him, but for us in the city and as a county. 02:10:45
To just. 02:10:51
Learn and grow from his expertise. So I'll go ahead and. 02:10:53
Driven time over. 02:10:57
You just a second. 02:10:59
Cool, awesome. Thank you. 02:11:35
For that, yeah. Like so. I'm Zach. 02:11:36
Beatty, I'm the rec manager. 02:11:39
I'll be brief to save some time for. 02:11:42
Parks and know. 02:11:44
I know we're running up against it here, but. 02:11:46
I wanted to start, so this is Bryce. 02:11:50
They were the fall soccer champions this year. So we heard from Bryce and then. 02:11:53
Ethan Sewell was our Volunteer of the Year so. 02:11:56
That's kind of a fun picture to get us started. 02:11:59
How do I advance my slides? 02:12:02
Cool, so this is the team. 02:12:09
These are all of our full time and administrative staff. So obviously we report to Brian. 02:12:11
And then our two current rec coordinators are Ben King and Aaron Kohler. Aaron's actually here over. 02:12:17
Uh, sitting in our gallery. So, umm. 02:12:24
I wanted to recognize him. 02:12:27
And then depending on the year and what funding is looking like, occasionally we have a recreation intern. 02:12:28
As well, that position is currently. 02:12:34
Vacant because it did not get approved for this current fiscal year. 02:12:37
All right, so. 02:12:43
These are kind of how we. 02:12:44
Distribute responsibilities for the recreation team right now. 02:12:45
Everything that is highlighted in yellow. 02:12:50
Either our new divisions. 02:12:53
Or. 02:12:55
New, completely new programs that we are offering over the last year. 02:12:56
Or plan to in the next. 02:13:00
Four months. 02:13:02
Offer SO. 02:13:03
You can kind of see there were. 02:13:04
Expanding what we're offering, we're trying to. 02:13:06
Have something for everybody. 02:13:10
Lots of. 02:13:12
These divisions added are for older grades. As our community gets older, we're looking to. 02:13:13
Keep them involved in recreation. 02:13:19
And give them opportunity to do so. 02:13:21
All right. I'm just going to kind of run through our calendar year real quick. 02:13:26
Umm, so starting at the beginning of the year. 02:13:29
We run a toddler sports every. 02:13:32
Tuesday Thursday in January. 02:13:35
Posted at Vineyard Elementary School. 02:13:37
And then we had 638. 02:13:39
Junior jazz participants, we run that. 02:13:42
Program. 02:13:44
Kindergarten through 6th grade. 02:13:45
We're using all of our four. 02:13:46
Schools to offer those programs. So that's Vineyard Elementary. 02:13:49
Trailside Elementary, Franklin Academy and Freedom Prep. 02:13:53
In the spring. 02:13:59
We host a gold rest race. Last year we had 382 participants. It is the biggest Vineyard race we've had up to this point. 02:14:00
This year we're projecting 420. 02:14:07
To just continue to grow that. 02:14:10
It's, it's very popular, It's a. 02:14:13
We're adding another race this year we hope to host forward. 02:14:15
Total this year. 02:14:18
We've had eight adult soccer teams. 02:14:20
And over. 02:14:22
1000 youth soccer participants last year. 02:14:24
In the summer, we're doing a little bit of everything. 02:14:30
It's by far our busiest time of year. 02:14:33
We offer. 02:14:35
Baseball program. 02:14:37
From three years old to. 02:14:38
1st and 2nd grade. We're looking at adding a third and 4th grade division this upcoming year. 02:14:41
Last year we received a street hockey grant. 02:14:47
To get some equipment and some sticks and we had 129 youth. 02:14:50
Age 3rd through 6th grade. Participate in that program. 02:14:54
We've built a youth tennis. 02:14:58
Program This is a program that goes all throughout the county. 02:15:01
We have 48 participants. 02:15:04
Use pickleball or just clinics posted here. Everybody in that program is. 02:15:07
Been your local. 02:15:12
We had 78. 02:15:13
And then we also offer on Wednesday mornings a senior pickleball free of charge to come play at Grove Park. 02:15:14
Throughout the summer we had 9. 02:15:20
Different people show up for that. 02:15:24
In the fall, we're running. 02:15:28
I need soccer again. 02:15:29
A little bit smaller program in the fall typically. 02:15:31
As people are busy with other. 02:15:34
Other programming. 02:15:38
We have 4 adult soccer teams. 02:15:39
We had almost 600. You soccer. 02:15:41
Flag football. We added a 5th and 6th grade division. 02:15:45
How the 2 are 18% increase up to 181? 02:15:49
And then we were completely full. We've sold out. 02:15:53
The week before the Blizzard race. 02:15:56
With 320 participants. 02:15:58
It was a beautiful day to run and everybody wanted to be there. 02:16:00
And then at the end of the year? 02:16:04
We host youth wrestling in correlation with. 02:16:06
And then high school, they host that program, they teach that program. We give them a portion of the revenues. 02:16:09
We had 15 participants. 02:16:14
We had 97 participants for youth volleyball this year. Didn't quite fill our program. 02:16:16
Just a little bit short. 02:16:22
And then this year, for the first time, we offered a. 02:16:23
Ski and snowboard lesson in correlation with. 02:16:26
Brighton Ski Resort. 02:16:29
We put a bunch of kids on a lay bus and had them go up for. 02:16:30
Three Saturdays and so. 02:16:34
That was a completely new program that's ages 8 to 18. 02:16:37
So, yeah, yeah, so. 02:16:41
That's how it works. They, they, they pay a fee and we hire a bus, allow that fee and and so it's a Med. 02:16:43
Washed for the city, How's that work? 02:16:49
Yeah. So really there's only two expenses that are associated with that program. One, we do pay bright and. 02:16:51
To for the instructors to host that program. 02:16:57
And then, yes, we did contract a bus. 02:17:00
And that came out of our programs budget. 02:17:03
We had a little bit. 02:17:06
Extra from fall soccer. 02:17:07
That was leftover, so I didn't. 02:17:10
Necessarily. 02:17:12
Like we had funds that were left over, I said this is a great use for them. 02:17:13
We got the fee schedule approved and we. 02:17:17
Ramp up program, yeah. 02:17:19
But there's there's no. 02:17:21
And overall, is there a? Is there? 02:17:22
An effort to try and make sure the programs pay for themselves. 02:17:24
Yes, absolutely. So we try our goal. 02:17:28
Is 125 cost? 02:17:30
Percent cost recovery on our programs. 02:17:32
Yeah, so give ourselves a little buffer some of the programs. 02:17:35
Are there? 02:17:39
Some of them are way above that and some of them don't. 02:17:40
Quite make it there so. 02:17:43
And I'm happy like when we get into the budget discussions here in the next couple months, like I'm happy to go through those. I 02:17:44
appreciate that have any idea how it works so. 02:17:48
Yeah. No, that's great. 02:17:51
All right, so this is how folks register for programming. We have a software. 02:17:55
It's called Sportsman Web. 02:18:00
Everybody who registers for. 02:18:02
Adult, uh. 02:18:05
Programming or youth programming, They're all very familiar with this site we use transferred to this program in 2023 and we've 02:18:06
been happy with it. 02:18:09
This is straight from our website so. 02:18:14
Who registers and reserves pavilions will be very familiar with that. 02:18:17
And then our races are actually a separate. 02:18:22
Software that we use, it's run sign up. 02:18:25
We use run sign up. 02:18:27
Because it. 02:18:28
They get an individual. 02:18:30
And the timing? 02:18:32
Associated with that bib. 02:18:33
And so it's a. 02:18:34
Kind of 1/3 company who runs those timings and it's. 02:18:36
Moves away smoother if we use that for our assignment. 02:18:39
There's links to those on our website as well, but it is a different software. 02:18:43
So this is something that. 02:18:50
Aaron actually left the charge on it's getting a recreation scholarship available for Vineyard residents. 02:18:51
So this is active in in current so. 02:18:58
In March of 23 we started. 02:19:02
Asking on everybody's individual registrations that they'd be willing to donate to a scholarship fund. 02:19:05
So this is. 02:19:11
100% funded. 02:19:12
Just from folks who are registering their kids for our programs. 02:19:13
It's raised $2100 as of the start of this year. 02:19:17
And we've given 22 rec scholarships from that account. 02:19:21
Over the. 02:19:25
Time that's been running. 02:19:26
I don't know. It's a 75% discount for the program. 02:19:28
And once they get approved and then they're. 02:19:31
Need to pay the additional 25%. 02:19:34
Some other highlights of recreation that I wanted to share real quick. 02:19:41
Is we have a robot painter. 02:19:45
It saves our staff. 02:19:47
Tons of time. 02:19:50
We used to spend uh. 02:19:51
Entire. 02:19:52
Work week with three full time folks out there measuring the field. Re measuring the field, trying to make sure all the lines are 02:19:54
straight. 02:19:57
And now we do that in a couple hours. 02:20:01
And we press go and it paints all of our fields. So we use this for. 02:20:03
Grove Park amfor gammon for golden. 02:20:07
Kind of move them around and he'll do baseball, kickball, all our events. 02:20:10
Soccer. So that's been a. 02:20:15
Cute help. And that is 100% funded and we just need to pay for the paint tab this month. 02:20:17
Another highlight this year is we received a grant from the National Rec and Park Association to put on these trainings. I was 02:20:25
searching for something to. 02:20:28
Give to our coaches to. 02:20:33
Help them help their kids grow the best they can. 02:20:35
We received this grant. 02:20:38
In January 1st of 2025. 02:20:40
And we ran 245 trains this year for our volunteer coaches. 02:20:43
This was a 20 to 30 minute training. 02:20:49
Just kind of talking. It wasn't necessarily how to play. 02:20:53
The sports, specifically. 02:20:56
But how to talk to kids and build our community? 02:20:57
This is something that we were really excited about and we had. 02:21:00
The most trainings complete of any grantee that received it West of the Mississippi. So we were really excited about that. 02:21:04
And. 02:21:11
Lastly. 02:21:14
As part of that program, we. 02:21:16
Paired with the Positive Coaching Alliance. 02:21:18
And we held a in person training in December of last year. 02:21:20
We have 74 attendees. 02:21:23
And this is kind of what? 02:21:26
I was one of the attendees so. 02:21:28
This is what we got. We got a six week training. 02:21:30
Where they're kind of following up on what they were talking about, but it's. 02:21:33
Really. They were talking about how to. 02:21:36
Develop competitors through sports and. 02:21:38
You know, develop. 02:21:40
Your team. 02:21:41
And individuals alike. 02:21:42
Again, not. 02:21:45
X's and O's and. 02:21:45
How to be the best basketball player? But how to be the best person? 02:21:47
Anybody questions about everything, I know that's kind of drinking out of a fire hydrant a little bit, but I did want to share 02:21:51
some highlights so. 02:21:55
If you have questions or concerns, I'm happy. 02:21:59
Jenny, I just, uh, just real quick, the, uh. 02:22:01
Junior, we do junior jazz, right? We do junior jazz. Yes we do. And we spot have. 02:22:04
Is the fee for that the same everywhere? 02:22:09
Or if you go to Tunisia, acid orum versus. 02:22:12
Then you're is there a difference in price or? 02:22:14
Every city is able to set their own prices. 02:22:16
I will say that. 02:22:21
We most cities in Utah County are associated with the Junior Jess program. 02:22:23
And with that. 02:22:27
There are different tiers that Junior Jazz offers the city. 02:22:29
Such as? 02:22:33
But the base package is. 02:22:34
Jerseys. 02:22:36
And they'll give you like some. 02:22:37
They do events and stuff. 02:22:40
That's kind of the base package. 02:22:42
And then they have upper tiers that include tickets to the junior jazz games. 02:22:44
So some cities that. 02:22:49
Do the ticket package pay the higher price, which their fees probably reflect that? 02:22:50
Vineyard has not. 02:22:55
Paid for the ticket package. 02:22:56
We've said if somebody wants to go to a junior jazz game, they will pay. They go to a junior jazz game, they will not force them 02:22:58
to go. 02:23:01
But some recipes reflect that. But they all set their own price. We try to be competitive with Orem and. 02:23:07
Lyndon You know some of the nearby cities, but every city sets their own. So what is your most successful program? 02:23:13
In terms of. 02:23:18
Participation and public response and so on. 02:23:20
Youth soccer is by far are one that has the biggest turn out. 02:23:25
Right. And that's what we're talking about when we were talking about we need field space. 02:23:29
Is we've. 02:23:33
Program gamin. We program Grove. We program every inch of it right, like slide hills. 02:23:34
Taking 20 feet to complete the project this year in like, are we gonna live without 20 feet? 02:23:39
Right. And so I think for. 02:23:45
Spring soccer is by far our biggest outpouring of communities for it's. 02:23:47
I would invite you to come on a Saturday and and see it because it's it's really awesome. I have actually, yes, it ran daughters 02:23:51
in. 02:23:55
They're fantastic. No, that's good to hear. 02:23:58
Anything else? 02:24:02
That's Fred. Do you have any questions? 02:24:03
No, I don't. 02:24:07
I don't think there. Thank you so much, Zach. 02:24:10
Yeah. Thank you. 02:24:12
Yeah, makes sense. 02:24:13
Action Hey, then I'll turn the time over to Preston and we'll let him take. 02:24:16
The rest of the time. 02:24:21
I mean, we have more that we can do, but. 02:24:23
We, but we will, uh. 02:24:25
We'll stick it to. 02:24:26
Who are allocated time? 02:24:27
It's like 5 minutes, OK. 02:24:30
You're lucky. 02:24:32
All this talk and I don't worry about. 02:24:33
Look Computer Options. 02:24:36
The impression I've been here since 2018. 02:24:46
I'm the parks manager. 02:24:52
Umm, underneath and I got cars. And who's our crew leader? 02:24:55
And Hayden. Hayden, who are park stacks. 02:24:59
But yeah. 02:25:11
So the parts team. 02:25:12
Basically our job. 02:25:14
Fix everything for it to make the parks look nice. 02:25:16
Yeah, when it started out. 02:25:44
Basically public works, Parks Department. 02:25:47
We've worked out of a garage over it. 02:25:51
Cannon, Boric. 02:25:53
So. 02:25:55
We've come a long way since then. 02:25:55
Yeah. We also have a right now we have a part-time employee as well. Who? 02:26:08
We follow up the route. 02:26:13
They go around to the bathroom. 02:26:15
Dog stations. 02:26:17
In the summer we usually hire about. 02:26:20
Two to three seasonals. 02:26:23
Our certifications. 02:26:27
I'm the grade 4 water operator. 02:26:30
I got my pesticide. 02:26:35
Why send to my? 02:26:37
And in Carson, we just recently. 02:26:39
Took our car. 02:26:44
Verified playground safety inspector course. So we should find out ceiling on that. 02:26:46
We have Hayden, who's certified to. 02:26:52
Inspect playgrounds and. 02:26:54
And also AFL. 02:26:57
Five AFL certification we need for this flashback. 02:26:59
The audit facilitator. 02:27:07
Facilitator. Operator. 02:27:09
So kind of how we run things. 02:27:13
We actually track overtime and I can. 02:27:17
I mean, the last three years we've tracked all of our Dimes, but. 02:27:20
When the timesheet worked. 02:27:24
At the end of the day, I have my guys fill out. 02:27:26
Hey, you did playground work for two hours. You did irrigation for this just. 02:27:29
The list of everything. 02:27:34
All of our tasks. 02:27:36
And they just track how much time they spend. 02:27:38
Doing each team. 02:27:42
And then? 02:27:43
I compile all that till like last year. 02:27:45
Like I spent 300. 02:27:49
About my hours working on the splash pad and we have. 02:27:51
All of that aligned, it's nice to know this work all our time is going. 02:27:55
We have last three, three years we've done that. 02:28:03
Turf Acres. 02:28:07
We take care of. 02:28:08
We've got about 33 acres of mall turf. 02:28:10
We obviously contract that out. 02:28:14
Parks Acres. 02:28:18
So. 02:28:20
Parts is just. 02:28:21
Parks Park strips is. 02:28:23
Under Public Works with George Shrim. 02:28:26
But we got about 39 acres. 02:28:29
Of total park space. 02:28:32
We manage 184. 02:28:35
Irrigation stations. 02:28:38
We got 28 dog stations. 02:28:40
48 garbage cans. 02:28:43
16 total pavilions. 02:28:46
Four of those are reservable. 02:28:49
And last year we did 219. 02:28:52
Rather patient. 02:28:56
Yeah, kind of how we operate. 02:29:04
You know I I make checklists for our parks text. 02:29:07
They go to East Park. 02:29:10
Every day when they're here. 02:29:12
And it's just if I go in the park, this is everything I'm. 02:29:15
Gonna look for everything I want taken care of. So that's what they're inspecting. 02:29:18
And they report back. 02:29:23
We have a giant To Do List. 02:29:26
I mean even for the. 02:29:29
Winter months like we've been able to keep pretty busy. 02:29:31
Umm, but. 02:29:35
Far through the end of October, that's. 02:29:37
I mean, it's just nonstop. 02:29:40
But I feel like this is a. 02:29:43
Parks Manager My responsibility is to take our To Do List and prioritize what's most important, what's. 02:29:45
You know what's the potential hazard in? 02:29:53
Then that's pretty much how we schedule it. 02:29:57
Schedule our. 02:29:59
Days. Umm. 02:30:00
Then yeah, probably our biggest thing most. 02:30:03
I am consuming things a spot that. 02:30:06
From. 02:30:10
Labor Day. 02:30:11
Well, pretty much from the end of May. 02:30:15
September that seems running. 02:30:17
On staff, we run it every single day. 02:30:19
My guys are in here. 02:30:24
On the weekends. 02:30:26
Yeah, sorry, you have to check the because you have to touch on the slash. 02:30:28
So on Saturday and Sunday, we. 02:30:37
Come in two separate times. 02:30:40
In the morning we come with. 02:30:42
Be sure and make sure it's running and then later in the day we have to come back and. 02:30:44
2 back flushes. 02:30:51
Checkpoints on that. 02:30:53
But yes. 02:30:58
We're just, we're just here to make the parks look nice and. 02:31:01
You know. 02:31:05
Make sure the playgrounds are safe. Make sure there's no hackers. 02:31:06
Like I said. 02:31:11
We started out working in the garage. 02:31:12
There wasn't really a Parks Department. 02:31:15
And it's been holded. 02:31:18
There was only two parts here. 02:31:21
Before I got here and the rest had been returned over to the city. 02:31:23
And so I've been here so. 02:31:28
I view is my parks. 02:31:30
And you know, I want them to. 02:31:32
Inform everyone of them still. 02:31:37
But yeah, that's. 02:31:40
Everyone's part SO. 02:31:41
What do you think you spend most of your time on? 02:31:43
Uh, there's maintaining the parts. What's the thing that takes? 02:31:45
The most effort? 02:31:48
The splash pad and irrigation. 02:31:50
I think. 02:31:53
Last year we. 02:31:54
Between. 02:31:57
Around 700 hours with irrigation. 02:31:58
So. 02:32:02
I feel like. 02:32:04
There's his, it's his non-stop with irrigation. Yeah, so. 02:32:05
And and you don't just do the parts, you do the renovation stall any, any. 02:32:09
Well, go on strips or whatever. 02:32:12
It's. 02:32:15
The launch strips that's. 02:32:16
Under George Ram. 02:32:18
Go ahead. Just. 02:32:20
Strictly part Just strictly part percent. 02:32:22
But it's good everything else that connected parts. 02:32:24
Yeah, the trails. 02:32:27
So good. And then of course. 02:32:31
During the. 02:32:33
Irrigation velocities of. 02:32:36
Uh, then it's all hands up there. 02:32:39
So both teams work together. 02:32:40
Throughout. Throughout. 02:32:42
You had one like. 02:32:43
Both sides. 02:32:45
At that point because. 02:32:47
I think uh. 02:32:49
George and his team wouldn't be able to have him up to Spanish things. 02:32:50
So what's the most popular? 02:32:55
Thing in the park where you see people. 02:32:57
Most. 02:32:59
Uh, besides the splash pad. 02:33:01
Probably Grove Park. 02:33:04
About that thing about the zip line. 02:33:06
Hopefully it's going to be the newest slide hill. 02:33:11
I would love. 02:33:15
The splash pad though, is probably the number one thing you think. 02:33:19
Yeah. 02:33:21
Yeah, it's. 02:33:22
Pretty but. 02:33:23
Yeah, definitely Grill Park. 02:33:30
This place to be Fla. 02:33:32
I see Jacob signed on. Jacob, do you have any questions? 02:33:38
I'm sorry, evaluated. 02:33:44
I don't have any. 02:33:46
OK. 02:33:48
I don't have any questions either, I appreciate. 02:33:49
Austin, thank you. 02:33:52
Oh yes. 02:33:54
Yeah, it's going on with the. 02:33:58
With pickers there seems like there's. 02:34:01
Maybe 2 areas that. 02:34:03
By the day ground. 02:34:05
Yes. Oh yeah. They're, they're just repairing concrete. It's uh. 02:34:07
It's fixed, they're just keeping on blankets on. 02:34:12
A little longer with the cold weather, so if you can. 02:34:15
So look here but. 02:34:17
When they put the shade cells in it. 02:34:19
Cracked a ton of concrete, so. 02:34:22
David thought all the bad stuff, but. 02:34:25
I bet in the next week or so they'll pull those blankets and. 02:34:29
That'll be good. 02:34:33
OK, So what was wasn't anything to do with the sprinkler system? 02:34:34
Just the concrete. 02:34:37
Yeah, this is from the equipment being on there when they fed up the. 02:34:39
Please thank. 02:34:43
Thank you so much, Preston. 02:34:47
Also if there's something to meet. 02:34:49
To be fixed, I know I can always count on press and he. 02:34:51
Figures it out and so. 02:34:54
Yeah, that's what we have for you today. So really appreciate your time being with us and any of those who tuned in. 02:34:56
Online or? 02:35:02
Later on mine song. 02:35:04
Thank you. Is there any final questions before we wrap up? 02:35:05
Here. 02:35:09
Thank you so much. I appreciate it. 02:35:10
Thanks for your time, Matt, for thank you. 02:35:12
Alright, I don't have a gavel, so meaning included. 02:35:15
Thank you. 02:35:20
Adjourned. That's the appropriate rule. 02:35:26