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I'm going to do a quick sound. 00:00:03
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All right, check on the volume and. 00:00:51
And we're good. 00:00:53
OK. If I turn off room volume? 00:00:58
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Hey, Tony, I'm just curious. 00:01:11
How is the online? 00:01:13
Interaction work, but usually. 00:01:14
Yes, so I have this going. 00:01:19
Reporting, but I remember. 00:01:22
Yeah. So that was tomorrow at home streaming tomorrow, but it's not going to cost. 00:01:24
I have a question though. 00:01:34
You know. 00:01:36
Should be able to. 00:01:39
Anywhere. 00:01:59
Hello, how are you today? I've been meeting your. 00:02:01
So. 00:02:10
Yeah. 00:02:13
Uh, drug take take. 00:02:15
You guys want to do that again? 00:02:16
Are you doing? 00:02:22
Yeah. 00:02:26
Tony, you have thought through this out. 00:02:30
Thanks. 00:02:33
Because this looks better than the. 00:02:34
And when it was my time. 00:02:49
Those all the TV should. 00:02:57
I'm going to need you to start coming out for meetings so I don't have to be the only person talking about partying problems and 00:02:59
all that you do show. 00:03:05
So I'm not talking about it all the time. 00:03:10
I've done more talking. 00:03:14
Than I ever. 00:03:17
Come on dude. 00:03:25
Thanks for coming. 00:03:45
Player. 00:03:49
There's orange. 00:03:50
There we go. Now they're all showing. 00:03:53
Salutations. 00:03:56
Three hours so many times when you realize you just got to bring your own supply. 00:04:00
Yeah, very heavily involved. 00:04:11
Yeah, so there you are. So there's a new movie. 00:04:14
That is coming out. 00:04:17
There's a special screening. 00:04:22
Yes. 00:04:27
Like I am not. 00:04:35
So I saw you carrying that, I said, you know, that's the next. 00:04:39
Decree sessions so perfect so we can have our company changes. I got any questions too? 00:04:46
Especially the hard chair fixated for longer. How are you Russell spasms? 00:05:12
You guys will be presenting. 00:05:19
So I'll have to come see you. 00:05:33
It's up in Salt Lake because it's, you know, for the legislative session, but. 00:05:46
No, we're going to be. 00:05:56
That's what so in my responsibility. 00:06:04
And we're working right now. 00:06:08
Kind of. 00:06:20
And then we're also Jack. 00:06:35
There is basically no tax right now. 00:06:38
Because there's no way. 00:06:42
And so we're, and that's, that's one of our bills. 00:06:45
All the money that starts from 20 things comes from the bill that I passed. 00:06:51
It's not quite the same, but there was one parody. 00:07:05
So, and to be honest with you. 00:07:13
I wonder if they. 00:07:16
Different types. 00:07:27
Audio. 00:07:36
I hope everything super. 00:07:51
So I need to talk to you about that as well. 00:08:07
So we've got a bunch of chats, all right. 00:08:09
Down hold the way Rd. around park. 00:08:15
Yeah, David, do you want to take over? 00:08:30
You get your volume working better. 00:08:34
Thank you, Zach. 00:08:37
OK. 00:08:39
Hey, Mayor. 00:08:42
Start this meeting. 00:08:43
Yeah, Mayor, are you online? 00:08:44
Yes, I'm I'm here online starting they will be there in person I. 00:08:47
I was in the. 00:08:50
Times more this morning so I got delayed down here I'm. 00:08:55
I'm just gonna listen in as I drive home. So I'm just. 00:08:58
Saint George on the road. 00:09:01
So Bittany. 00:09:03
David, do you want it? David Luray, do you mind or Parker do you guys? 00:09:06
Either of you 2 mind conducting the meeting? 00:09:09
So I sure do we have driving through a dead spot or whatnot OK with you guys. 00:09:11
You bet we can do that. 00:09:17
Sure. 00:09:20
So should we start? Awesome. Thank you. 00:09:21
Start officially. 00:09:22
But it's going to the stream. 00:09:25
So if you want to just leave it on you. 00:09:28
OK. 00:09:30
All right, let's let's start with the word of prayer and. 00:09:31
Sorry I haven't asked anybody ahead of time. Anyone want to volunteer? 00:09:35
All right, let them know they get a pit. 00:09:40
Well, I'll do it. 00:09:42
Our kind Father in heaven, we're so very thankful for the blessings I was given to us. We're grateful to live in this wonderful 00:09:48
town and for the. 00:09:51
Great blessing it is with how the neighborhoods we have and the neighbors we have. 00:09:54
Grateful for the. 00:09:57
The wonderful, safe and warm feeling we have that we live here. 00:09:59
We'd ask thou please be with us now as we. 00:10:01
Go through this the the agenda, this meeting, we might be able to. 00:10:03
Make good plans and to be able to learn more about what's going on and what needs to happen. 00:10:07
We asked people like inspiration and like guidance. As we do so we do this name my son Jesus Christ, Amen. 00:10:12
Would you join me in the Pledge of Allegiance? 00:10:18
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. 00:10:24
Which stands one nation under God. 00:10:29
Indivisible with liberty and justice for all. 00:10:32
Tony, don't forget David's pen. 00:10:37
You got it. I'll get it later, OK. 00:10:39
I have grandkids. 00:10:43
Morgan, right? 00:10:48
Yeah, all yours. Great. Thanks so much. 00:10:49
Mayor, Councilmembers, thank you for this opportunity for our department, Community Development department to be able to present 00:10:53
to you. 00:10:55
So our hope is to be able to convey to you kind of the structure of our department, our roles, duties, responsibilities. 00:10:58
And the initiatives that the our department are engaged in currently. 00:11:04
And. 00:11:09
And get kind of your thoughts go before. 00:11:10
And try to understand kind of what your vision is as a City Council that will help us be able to move forward with projects. 00:11:13
And then what are some of the projects? 00:11:20
Or initiatives that you have as City Council that you would like us to prioritize? 00:11:22
So here's the makeup of. 00:11:30
Department 6. 00:11:31
Staff member or seven staff member department. 00:11:33
So you have here myself at the Community Development Director. 00:11:37
Actually, why don't we move this back? 00:11:44
I think they did it for. 00:11:46
You could stand out the vote. 00:11:48
All right, so. 00:11:52
Yeah, the director. Then you have. 00:11:54
Cash Fancy. Cash Fancy is our senior planner. He's over cut the current planning. So that would be any of the applications that 00:11:57
come through the process. 00:12:01
Building permit review, making sure that all of the time frames that are required by state code are kept. And that's one thing 00:12:06
though, to really kind of keep at the forefront of your mind whenever there's an application, there's a time, a time frame that 00:12:11
that is required under state code. And so we need to make sure that we have timely reviews. 00:12:17
And that they go through the appropriate process as dictated by our code. So cash is really essential in making sure that we meet 00:12:22
those timeframes. Also, cache works on some of the long range planning and some of the master planning. Anthony Fletcher is the 00:12:28
long range planner. So he is the head of kind of. 00:12:34
That portion of the department, the master planning, the general plan, that's a really crucial document that you have. 00:12:39
And then he also. 00:12:46
Sits and. 00:12:48
Works with but the different regional agencies. 00:12:50
That we have with U dot Utah mag. 00:12:53
So he plays a critical role in being kind of the face and the liaison for our department to those. 00:12:57
Closely with a city engineer in the same. 00:13:03
In a lot of those those roles from transportation economic development standpoint. 00:13:06
We have Kelly. 00:13:11
Clover, she's our business license specialist, so she I always mess up her name. Did I get her out? 00:13:13
Clever. 00:13:19
OK. So she is the kind of the face to our business community. She plays a very critical role in economic development as members of 00:13:20
the public come if they want to do a home occupation or we have businesses that are interested in the city, she's typically one of 00:13:26
the first people that will be engaged helping them to understand the the laws from the City side and the state side surrounding 00:13:32
businesses. 00:13:38
What they can and cannot do within their homes we have, we do have a very healthy. 00:13:45
Local. 00:13:49
Business community within our city. 00:13:51
And a lot of times we don't, we don't realize, but there's a lot of local businesses in the city. A lot of those are in homes. And 00:13:55
so you don't necessarily see storefronts. So Kelly is very critical in helping those people out and also the commercial 00:13:59
businesses, helping the large companies. We do have a lot of those that have come to the city and that are in the process of 00:14:04
coming. So she. 00:14:08
Is really key in that Maria Arteaga is our neighborhood services coordinator. She's over. 00:14:13
Kind of the communication with our HOA's and with our apartment complexes. 00:14:18
That's a really key thing is making sure our communication is very accurate with our apartments. We do have a lot of tenants in 00:14:24
the city and so the more accurate and and open our communication lines are with them. 00:14:31
Really key in helping you as. 00:14:38
Policymakers and as city leaders, to be able to communicate with a big part of your constituency that that our renters. 00:14:40
Rachel Stevens is a planner. She does a lot of our reviews. She works online in Las Vegas. And then we have Madison Reed. She's 00:14:47
our planning technician. She covers a lot of the front desk. 00:14:52
Things that we have, she also worked kind of in a planning capacity, helping to manage our. 00:14:59
Some of our master planning and our kind of the contracts, if we do have consultants helping us kind of keep updated on that. And 00:15:04
then she also does a lot of the technical things helping with their building permit reviews. 00:15:10
And so our department covers 4 different commissions within the city. 00:15:18
So this is really important whenever we have an application. 00:15:22
Or request. 00:15:26
A lot of times even within an advisory role from the. 00:15:28
From the City Council, if there is requests, they go through typically one of these three these four boards. 00:15:30
Planning Commission. 00:15:37
Plays a really important role in being able to provide recommendations, so they would advise City Council. So a lot of times if 00:15:38
you have the City Council has a policy decision, say a. 00:15:43
We deal with parking a lot or if there's something from an economic development standpoint or just land use with the zoning, you 00:15:49
want us to consider some sort of a zoning change, sending that to the Planning Commission. The Planning Commission is set up to 00:15:53
take that policy work with staff. 00:15:58
Analyze it, go through a public engagement process, and then provide a recommendation back to the City Council. So the very, very 00:16:02
critical. 00:16:06
Commission. 00:16:10
And this is also commissioned that is appointed by the mayor and with the consent of the council. Our recommendation is that you 00:16:11
always. 00:16:14
You know you do want to have just. 00:16:18
Members of our community, that's that's the baseline requirement, but. 00:16:20
At least have one or two people within that Commission. 00:16:23
That have some sort of expertise in land use, either zoning, real estate, construction, you do want to have some technical 00:16:27
expertise in there as well as it's great to have just general public as well. 00:16:32
But do try to get some specialties within the makeup of that board for your terms. 00:16:38
They have been provided by the City Council in the past. The ability to make decisions on site plans, conditional use permits. 00:16:45
Site plans are anything like if this building were to come in right now, goes through a site planning process, that's where an 00:16:52
applicant and architect would drop the plans. They would show how they meet the criteria of the zoning code. 00:16:57
Goes through staff into the planning commissions. The Planning Commission is kind of that administrative body that would in that 00:17:02
capacity make an administrative decision. 00:17:06
The development review committee. 00:17:11
It's actually Commission, it was, it was changed a little bit ago, but the development review committee is a staff committee. 00:17:13
And it's made-up typically of department heads. 00:17:19
City manager and so I so I guess with the city manager that would be either. 00:17:23
At this point, David Kyle is in that place where the mayor, so we would need to kind of tweak that a little bit depending on how 00:17:28
the staffing is set up. 00:17:32
But that would be the board that would look at doing final plats and that's also a board from a staffing side that could provide 00:17:37
policy recommendations to the to the City Council. Our active transportation Commission is really critical they review. 00:17:43
With the Planning Commission, they'll review things like such. 00:17:50
Such as like new roads. So we have new roads, trails, parks. 00:17:53
Developments, large developments and the look at those from the. 00:17:57
Kind of the perspective of the pedestrian, the cyclist, the transit user, but also the the auto driver. We want to make sure our 00:18:00
streets have a lot of capacity for automobiles, but also that they. 00:18:06
That there's very safe places for our kids to cross to get to schools. 00:18:12
For our kids to get to parks and just general commuting on bicycles and pedestrians being able to connect to our transit hubs. And 00:18:16
then the appeal authority, this is a really important one from a legal perspective. Any application that goes to the city has an 00:18:22
appeal period. And so if my neighbor builds something on their property, I have typically a time frame where I can make an appeal 00:18:28
to say I don't believe that staff reviewed this correctly. 00:18:34
And that they didn't apply the zoning code correctly. They appeal it. We do have a contract attorney who who's a third party. 00:18:41
And that's a person that can make a. 00:18:49
Like a non conflicted judgment on it's a neutral party. 00:18:53
And then we also have zoning violations typically. 00:18:58
We see a lot of compliance. We work closely with them. That's Maria's job. 00:19:02
So if there's someone who has weeds parking. 00:19:06
Loud parties. They're using their their house as a short term rental like an Airbnb. 00:19:09
There's a whole. 00:19:13
Whole slew of different violations that we get. 00:19:14
And so typically she's able to work directly with the with the property owner, with the help of the Sheriff's Office in some 00:19:17
cases. And we're able to see voluntary compliance, but there are. 00:19:21
Times when someone will say I'm not under violation, I'm allowed to use my property this way and they'll peel it and so that that 00:19:26
goes through this. 00:19:30
Is called variances. Variances are really important. We don't see too many of those. We've had a couple. 00:19:34
Over like the last decade. 00:19:39
But you'll see that where you have. 00:19:41
Fault lines where you have wetlands, it's typically where you own a piece of property. You want to be able to use your property, 00:19:43
but because of the uniqueness of your property, that's that's very unique to your property. 00:19:49
Whether it's a fault line. 00:19:54
A wetland, something that restricts the ability for you to use your property and if you were to apply the zoning code, your 00:19:57
setbacks, your heights or whatever to the property, you're not able to build, build a house. And so like we'll we'll see that or 00:20:01
build a building or use your property like your neighbors are. And so a variance will in some cases allow for like a decrease in a 00:20:06
setback. 00:20:10
Or something like that. So we had. 00:20:16
I think we've received like 2 in the last 10 years. But typically we're able to work with a property owner before they get they 00:20:19
get to that stage, but. 00:20:22
Pretty important. 00:20:26
Yeah, good. And then? 00:20:29
This is just kind of an overall, I mean, there's always kind of the question of like. 00:20:31
That you want for your partnerships with the university. 00:21:05
With HCI, with. With the, with the. 00:21:08
Business community from an economic development standpoint, what is it that you want at the end of your term at the end of 10 00:21:11
years then at 20 years. So what does that legacy and doing the public engagement understanding what what your constituents want as 00:21:16
well that's that's a big part of what the. 00:21:21
What the Community Development Department does. 00:21:26
And and then as we, as we develop codes, we want to safeguard those community values that are expressed in the general plan. 00:21:29
That that's, that's the least the baseline. You're always safest when you can point back to your general planning, say the general 00:21:36
plan says this. So we're going to make a decision that aligns with that general plan. That's really important to find alignment 00:21:40
with your decision making, your policy setting and the general plan so. 00:21:45
Like that would be a big recommendation over the next year or so is. 00:21:51
Is really work on that? 00:21:54
Make sure. 00:21:56
What your what your vision of the community is, it's contained within that general plan that's going to, that's going to be the 00:21:57
safest way to make decisions. 00:22:00
And then we support city leader leadership from a policy standpoint, if you want, if you're interested in a new zoning code or if 00:22:04
you want to do AB or C that deals with land use, that deals with transportation. Working with the engineering department, worked 00:22:10
with the community development department in analyzing and providing recommendations and data. 00:22:15
And we support public safety. That's a really key piece as we work a lot with the Sheriff's Department through our neighborhood 00:22:21
services. 00:22:24
Also in designs, the requirements and the things that we have in our site plan for as a project develops out. 00:22:27
Can assure that it's safe? Is there enough lighting or are there areas where someone someone could hide right next to a trail? So 00:22:34
even like those little details that you have within a code? 00:22:39
Can really translate to a higher level of public safety. We want to make sure that that we continue with that. 00:22:45
And then yeah, we have the the lake and that's such an important thing and we have wetlands throughout the city. So those are 00:22:51
things that are the zoning code in the department we look at after we have a lot of stakeholder positions through like we said, 00:22:55
UDOT through MAG. 00:23:00
Through UTA. 00:23:05
And just these different partners that are really necessary for us to work with. So our our department works closely with them as 00:23:07
we do land use planning. 00:23:11
And then the business community making sure that our local businesses have the opportunity. 00:23:16
To be successful and that as we develop zoning, we don't put incompatible uses right next to each other. So you like. 00:23:21
For instance, we don't have slaughterhouses, but I've seen this in other cities. You don't want to put a slaughterhouse probably 00:23:29
right next to a preschool, you know, So there's certain things like like you want to be very intentional when you develop zoning 00:23:34
and so that you put things that are loud and kind of. 00:23:38
Dirty and messy in an area and that there's buffers and that, you know, you want to develop your zoning districts so that they 00:23:43
work and function very well. 00:23:47
I'll turn the time over to Anthony. 00:23:52
You guys are free to. 00:23:56
Go ahead, Zach. 00:23:57
Messaged me and asked me to. 00:23:59
You would like to know. 00:24:02
Active Transportation Commission has authority designated or delegated to it in the city code. 00:24:04
So, yeah, there is an ordinance. So all of the commissions are adopted by ordinance. So we're and we're we're happy to. So there's 00:24:10
a section if you go into the zoning code, I think there's a commissions and and body section that's in the municipal code. 00:24:17
But the Active Transportation Commission. 00:24:25
Typically is a review. 00:24:28
Body and a body that provides and you you advice. 00:24:30
And so I'd say if you. 00:24:34
Are building a new street or if you want to put in a bike lane that you definitely want to have them look at it and they can 00:24:36
provide you they can do research provide you you know recommendations so that. 00:24:40
We do it right. 00:24:45
That's typically we use them. 00:24:47
Thank you. Yeah. 00:24:48
Yes. 00:24:49
DRC, can we go back and talk about a little more and differentiate between the Planning Commission? 00:24:51
And the Development Review Committee and what the differences are there and what processes would go through the Planning 00:24:56
Commission. 00:24:59
Which was to go through the developer review committee and and do they go through sequentially? 00:25:02
Yeah, yeah. So typically we send all applications through both. So they'll go through the DRC on a staff level. So as we review 00:25:07
applications, so if you're developing a commercial. 00:25:12
Site you submit to the Community Development department, we have your architectural, we have your site plan, we review it. 00:25:17
Goes to all the departments. 00:25:23
We get together in the DRC, we formalize our recommendations, those can then get put into a staff report and that staff report 00:25:25
gets sent to the Planning Commission and then the Planning Commission for the site plan would be the approval body. 00:25:30
Now, there are times where the DRC itself will approve. 00:25:36
Applications and I believe it's just Platts and so they're they, they so that's that's the way for plats to get that's more of 00:25:40
just an administrative prescriptive review. 00:25:44
You're saying does it meet these requirements of the subdivision code and the DRC would formally approve those? 00:25:48
And so that's. 00:25:55
Yeah, and that state law. 00:25:57
The Planning Commission would also do. 00:25:59
Like the formal recommendation to the City Council, so for like the general plan for the master plans. 00:26:01
Even though the DRC membership would still review it, like the formal recommendation would go to the Planning Commission, there'd 00:26:07
be public hearings. 00:26:10
And then that would get sent to the City Council. The City Council would have a public hearing and make a final decision of those 00:26:14
items. So how detailed are the plans that are approved? 00:26:18
By the Dell Development Committee only. This doesn't have to go anywhere else. 00:26:22
Are they just St. levels? Just these are the boundaries, these where the streets are going to go? 00:26:25
That are the building sizes and. 00:26:31
Things like that that are approved, that go back through the Planning Commission. 00:26:34
So that yeah, that would be a site plan. So a site plan. And so that these are really great, great questions. So a site plan is 00:26:37
going to be the actual like building like design official landscaping. It'll show the number of parking stalls. 00:26:43
And so like. 00:26:50
You know, and you've been a bunch of Planning Commission meetings where you see like the. 00:26:51
There'll be an apartment building. 00:26:54
It will lay out all the details and so we'll go through the Planning Commission. 00:26:56
And we'll say, OK, this is the zoning code for architecture and this is how they meet it. This is zoning code for landscaping. And 00:27:00
then we'll show them the landscaping. We reviewed it, it meets the the coverage requirements. And so the site plan will contain 00:27:05
those details. 00:27:09
What a plat does, the plat is essentially just subdividing a lot. It's the legal process for you if you own 10 acres. 00:27:14
To divide that, if zoning allows, into one acre lots. 00:27:20
And so we would look at like the dimensions of a lot. 00:27:24
Do you have access? You know, proper access? 00:27:27
The fire department would look at it. That's a really critical thing, that there's a. 00:27:31
A fire turn around, we would look at it from a utilities. 00:27:35
So. 00:27:39
Easements, yeah. 00:27:40
So that would include all easements and streets and and all that sort of stuff. 00:27:42
Yeah, we have examples later on, we'll show you. 00:27:46
Goes into more detail. 00:27:48
All right. Any more questions? 00:27:50
That's good. No, great. Thanks. 00:27:52
Good. 00:27:53
I guess it's my time. 00:27:56
I want to let you guys know. 00:27:58
That I heard on the. 00:28:00
That we're not quite hearing the questions. So if you just make sure that drugs speak more directly into the mind, I guess. 00:28:01
I thought it was going to pick it up but I guess. 00:28:06
You want another mic so they both have one. If I had one that would reach over there. 00:28:09
I can pass it back. 00:28:14
Yeah, we're good, OK. 00:28:19
All right. 00:28:22
I'm ready to go. 00:28:24
So. 00:28:25
Wonderful questions. 00:28:26
We have. 00:28:27
Thought about giving you a. 00:28:29
Quick master master class. 00:28:31
We'll try to keep it very short. 00:28:33
We try to remind ourselves all the time about various terms and. 00:28:35
You know, terminologies that are used in planning and in community development as a department. 00:28:40
And how our plans and projects we work on relate to each other. 00:28:46
As well as the roles of council. 00:28:50
And, you know, company development staff. 00:28:53
And also how decisions shape the long term. 00:28:55
Outcomes of the city. 00:28:59
So I just want to have a pop. 00:29:02
You know. 00:29:04
Pop Quiz. 00:29:05
What do you think is the difference between a? 00:29:06
Master plan in the general plan. 00:29:08
Any ideas? 00:29:10
Got the microphone, Davidson? 00:29:15
Well, according to your diagram there are general plants that's on top. Master plan would be a subdivision of that. 00:29:19
Is that correct? Well, that's a good, good, good try. 00:29:25
Any thoughts? 00:29:28
Great, great, great. My assumption is that the master plan is specific to a project. 00:29:30
The general plan would be. 00:29:35
The overarching plan for the municipality. 00:29:37
I love it. 00:29:40
That's that's pretty good. 00:29:41
Now I just go into more detail to give you some more information about how it works. I'll get back to that pyramid. 00:29:42
But a general plan is essentially the overall vision. 00:29:47
He goes over our Creator 20 to 30 years, maybe more. 00:29:51
It goes over a period of 20 to 30. 00:29:55
Maybe more. 00:29:57
Depending on how big the vision is. 00:29:59
And. 00:30:01
That is a very extensive process where we bring. 00:30:03
A lot of residents together. 00:30:06
It's it's one that takes. 00:30:08
You know a lot of processes. 00:30:12
Public engagement to come at. 00:30:13
A final. 00:30:17
Vision that. 00:30:18
The city wants to have. 00:30:19
You know, moving forward. 00:30:21
20-30 years, as I was saying. 00:30:22
This long term. 00:30:25
1 is. 00:30:27
Intended to also. 00:30:28
You know, you know the. 00:30:29
Guide the land use and growth. 00:30:32
And also it serves as a foundation. 00:30:34
For zoning decisions and it is a requirement by state. 00:30:37
Law. You know, Utah State law. 00:30:41
Now think of a master plan. I like how. 00:30:44
You know David Larae explained his as well. 00:30:48
A master plan. You can think of it as a baby. 00:30:51
Of. 00:30:53
You know if if general plan had a baby, it will be a master plan. 00:30:55
Right. 00:30:58
It identifies infrastructure needs. 00:30:59
It essentially just picks a portion of the general plan. 00:31:01
And just plant, you know, goes deeper. 00:31:06
And makes it into. 00:31:08
One that can be better assimilated by staff and also we can always refer to. 00:31:11
When we want to do any. 00:31:17
Projects and it guides budgeting. 00:31:18
So for instance, Transportation master plan would. 00:31:21
Essentially. 00:31:25
Go into everything, transportation in the city, the different classes of roads, a lot of. 00:31:27
A lot of studies and analysis. 00:31:33
Are conducted, we do public engagement. 00:31:35
All these come together. 00:31:37
To just, you know, better define what transportation is going to look like when the city is totally built out in, what, 30 years 00:31:40
or more? 00:31:44
It you know it helps with budgeting. It also supports grant applications because this. 00:31:48
There's no way you're gonna have a grant if you don't have a plan in place. 00:31:54
If you can point a plan to an overall vision that the city has, which is a general plan, then. 00:31:58
Usually your chances of having a grant is very low. 00:32:04
So a master plan. 00:32:06
Does that and helps we have the active transportation plan. 00:32:08
Open parks and open space plan. 00:32:12
And we have the area and corridor plans. 00:32:15
It is a brother to the. 00:32:17
Master Plan. 00:32:19
All under. 00:32:21
The general plan right it. 00:32:22
Essentially just focuses in an. 00:32:24
Area. 00:32:26
Of the city. 00:32:27
And it just. 00:32:28
Spells better defines the land use. It spells out a lot more things like hey what are the block pardons going to be? 00:32:29
How is design? 00:32:38
Expectation for this area. 00:32:40
One great example we just passed was the. 00:32:43
We just adopted was the Vineyard Station master plan. We had an extensive public engagement process. 00:32:45
And it was all around that area. And I'm going to go into more detail. 00:32:50
So that is an area plan. These terms are used in different ways, but I just thought it would be very helpful so you understand 00:32:54
general plan. 00:32:57
Master Plan. Area Plan. 00:33:01
And then the zoning code. 00:33:04
So that. 00:33:06
Is one that implements the general plan. Is essentially the law. 00:33:07
It regulates density height. 00:33:10
All the things that. 00:33:13
Doing, you know, an application for development we lookout for to say. 00:33:15
They meet all the requirements. 00:33:20
Before we move forward. 00:33:22
And. 00:33:23
The City Council. 00:33:24
Controls zoning through. 00:33:26
Text Amendments. 00:33:28
Zone and map amendments and overlays as well. 00:33:30
All can create some new. 00:33:33
Laws regarding. 00:33:35
How the land should be used? 00:33:37
As it relates to the general plan. 00:33:39
And now development agreements. 00:33:43
I I just. 00:33:46
I'll probably describe this as a jacket. 00:33:47
On top of a zoning code. 00:33:50
Right. So you see the shirt as the zoning code and the jacket on top of it in a case where a development comes into your city? 00:33:52
And it doesn't. 00:33:59
Entirely meet. 00:34:00
All the IT wants to do a couple of things, but it doesn't entirely meet the zoning code. 00:34:01
But the city might. 00:34:06
Want to work with them because it's going to be a great. 00:34:07
Opportunity to build in their city. They come into an agreement. It's legally binding, is very project specific. 00:34:10
It establishes a lot of things like when the roads are going to go in facing timing of all the improvements and it's. 00:34:16
Clearly also outlines the cost of. 00:34:25
Who takes what or who pays for what? 00:34:28
As well as. 00:34:30
You know. 00:34:32
Once as a signed document or contract, it is legally binding. 00:34:33
So I heard you right. 00:34:38
Yeah. 00:34:40
Sorry, I heard you're right. You're saying? 00:34:40
This is where. 00:34:42
This development agreement can override. 00:34:44
Zoning ordinances. 00:34:46
It works hand in hand. 00:34:48
OK, but doesn't. 00:34:49
Does it? Do you use it to override ordinance? To some? To some extent it does. To what extent? 00:34:50
To extent. So it's all usually defined in the agreement, where for instance the lot size in maybe holdaway fields. 00:34:56
Was originally one that allowed 12,000 square foot lots but. 00:35:03
Because of the. 00:35:08
Development agreement. 00:35:08
It's, you know, brought down to about 5000. 00:35:10
Is there anything else you want to add? 00:35:13
And that's and that's. 00:35:15
Is that a public process? 00:35:17
Yes, it goes through a rigorous profit process. 00:35:19
Don't recall ever in the last 10 years ever being invited to a session where you were. 00:35:22
A development agreement was. 00:35:27
Was negotiated. 00:35:29
Or approved. 00:35:31
Frankly. 00:35:32
It wasn't a public meeting. 00:35:33
I wasn't listed in. 00:35:35
Public meeting. 00:35:37
You know, agendas. 00:35:38
That that page. 00:35:39
So how is many of these development agreements? I found out later because you did publish them afterwards, which is nice. 00:35:40
But they did not. 00:35:47
You know they were done. 00:35:49
Frankly. 00:35:51
Not in the public's eye. So how? 00:35:51
Is that, is that normal? Is that I'm not sure of any development agreement that has not gone through Planning Commission and City 00:35:53
Council that has not been publicly noticed? 00:35:57
Did you do, I mean, could you, could you refer the whole way feels for example, you know, they talked about what they wanted to do 00:36:01
and so forth, but that had to. 00:36:04
And there was and there was an agreement made, but then the development agreement was was signed and negotiated afterwards include 00:36:08
in closed sessions with the City Council or city members, members of City Council. That development agreement went through a very 00:36:13
extensive process with staff. The developer went through Planning Commission I think 3 or 4 times, went to City Council several 00:36:17
times Commission, City Council never heard public yet. 00:36:22
They have public, public hearings they ever see, every single one of them. 00:36:27
Yeah, there was a neighborhood plan. I mean it's. 00:36:31
I mean, it's all, it's all on the record. You can. 00:36:34
I like to see that record, yeah, when you get a chance. 00:36:36
Yeah, Thank you. Yeah, it's all online too. You just. 00:36:38
Yeah, you can. 00:36:41
Numbers ago. 00:36:42
There's a development agreement that went through with the forge. Yeah, with the forge that was 1. 00:36:44
I mean, they all go through through a process we had. They have to. 00:36:49
OK, well if that's the case, it wasn't obvious at the time, so please I would like to see. 00:36:53
Show me, show me the record where it happened. I'd love to and hold away Feels was well attended. I mean, those were. 00:36:57
Those are pretty raucous meetings when we had. 00:37:03
Taught them and there was a packed house. 00:37:06
I may have missed one of those meetings. 00:37:08
That's all. But he went to ones where just double sessions, you know, you couldn't. Yeah. And then that one, we looked at 00:37:11
everything with the parks, we looked at like the the roads. That was a really, really specific topic that was looked at the design 00:37:15
of those roads. 00:37:20
Those are those were. 00:37:25
That was an agreement that was well vetted through the public. 00:37:27
And so the doc and so. 00:37:29
The when? When. 00:37:31
Planning Commission passed whatever, what do you call it, on ordinance would be whatever they they recommended approval to the 00:37:33
City Council and anything changed between the time they recommended it and the City Council approved it. 00:37:38
I mean, this is several years ago. I mean this is the City Council. So if. 00:37:44
The Planning Commission recommends approval something now as a City Council member, you. 00:37:47
They've gone through their public process. You can take and go. Now it's our turn. 00:37:52
And you're the deciding force on it. You can change. 00:37:56
What you want, as long as it's gone through the Planning Commission, you, you as a City Council, don't have to. 00:37:59
Follow the Planning Commission. There's times where City Council will. 00:38:04
Make an approval that's in opposition to a recommendation the City Council has provided. That's that's fine. You're allowed to do 00:38:07
that. 00:38:10
So I don't know. I mean, I'd have to go back on the record and see if something was changed, but. 00:38:13
I mean it. 00:38:18
I mean, all those meetings were very public, even the City Council ones were. So I there probably were some some tweaks I would 00:38:18
imagine from the City Council side that typically is. 00:38:23
At some future time, I'd like to go over that with you. 00:38:28
Thank you. 00:38:33
OK. Thank you so much. I. 00:38:39
I'm happy we're talking about this. 00:38:42
Clears out all these terminologies so we're all on the same page when we. 00:38:44
Talk about them in meetings. 00:38:48
So how we evaluate? 00:38:50
Projects. You know that coming every day. 00:38:53
You know, before a project is approved, no matter what it is. 00:38:55
You know, we make sure it's consistent with the general plan. 00:38:58
We also make sure it aligns with a master plan if it falls in any of those categories. 00:39:02
We pay a lot. 00:39:07
More attention as well to compliance to the zoning because that's the law. 00:39:09
And we also. 00:39:14
Make sure if there is a development agreement. 00:39:16
That also is being. 00:39:19
Catered for, it's just. 00:39:21
Ticking all the mark, the marks for that. 00:39:22
If it's a yes. 00:39:24
Staff. 00:39:26
You know, that's what we consider the administrative approval. 00:39:27
Then it just moves forward in the process going to Planning Commission and getting approved. 00:39:31
If it's a no. 00:39:34
And we want to keep it a no. 00:39:36
It just stays as that. 00:39:37
Or it goes to legislative, and that's when it comes to City Council. And you have the point. 00:39:38
The chance to make a policy decision. 00:39:43
On changing something in the code or development agreement or the general plan. 00:39:46
That would allow that to become a yes. 00:39:50
Because some things can only go through a yes. 00:39:52
When all these changes are made. 00:39:55
So legislative. 00:39:58
Powers, which is the Council? 00:40:00
Allows for these, you know, policy changes rezone. 00:40:03
General plan amendments. 00:40:07
And the discretion for council is pretty broad. 00:40:09
And I don't want to go through a long list administrative. 00:40:12
We're pretty much going by the book. 00:40:15
Everything that's been approved. 00:40:17
Or has been, you know, recorded as a contract development agreement? 00:40:19
Stuff just applies what's there. 00:40:25
And. 00:40:27
We try to enforce whatever you say is law. 00:40:28
Or you create as a policy. 00:40:31
So just a quick one, the role of council and staff. 00:40:34
I've gone through that pretty much. You said the policy you adopt and amend the policies and plans. 00:40:38
You make legislative decisions. 00:40:44
You approve and amend development agreements. 00:40:46
And on the staff side for community development? 00:40:50
We implement everything that you've adopted in terms of policy and plans. 00:40:52
We apply the code very consistently. 00:40:56
And. 00:40:59
Provide technical analysis where there's a. 00:41:00
You know, for instance, the parking issues that we've had in the city, so many. 00:41:02
Times we do a lot of research, we. 00:41:06
You know, see what's happening outside of Vineyard. 00:41:09
Real time analysis, We work very close with engineering. How does this affect, you know, all these things? We provide all those 00:41:12
technical analysis as well as ensuring legal compliance. 00:41:18
And of course. 00:41:23
As part of the research and as professionals, we also advise on long term. 00:41:25
Implications because every decision we make. 00:41:29
Obviously has some long term implications, good or bad. 00:41:32
So. 00:41:36
I'll just go in here. 00:41:38
Why planning and the services we offer from the company development department is important with planning? 00:41:40
Growth is very predictable. 00:41:49
It invites. 00:41:50
A lot of investors, economic development happens, better growth. 00:41:51
You know, infrastructure keeps pace. We have. 00:41:57
Things planned out. We know in the next three years, I wrote. Is going to go in the next two years. We know a park is coming in. 00:41:59
There's a dog park come in this, you know, everything is very predictable and it shows how stable our city and economy can be when 00:42:05
it comes to projections and growth. 00:42:10
City goals remain very achievable because we have a plan to follow. 00:42:15
Right. 00:42:20
This also helps financial planning and budgeting. 00:42:22
Process to be more realistic and not. 00:42:27
Of wishful thing. 00:42:30
Without all this planning, decisions become very reactive. 00:42:32
You know, if we don't have a plan in place for maybe the station area, what happens is OK, a developer comes in, I want to put up 00:42:35
this building. 00:42:39
Does it work for us? Does it work with the surrounding developments? Does it, you know, all these things we consider if we don't 00:42:43
have all these things in a plan? 00:42:47
As a written document. 00:42:51
You'll be having a lot of reactive. 00:42:54
You know, decisions that would not be helpful for the city infrastructure lacks a little bit because you can't even, you know. 00:42:55
Say. 00:43:01
We're having a road going next week, right? But if we have everything well planned, you can. 00:43:02
Tell your constituents, hey, by next summer we're having a good park in this spot and it's going to happen because we have a plan, 00:43:07
we have a budget we have. 00:43:10
Everything lining up. 00:43:14
Very well. 00:43:15
Legal challenges if we don't, you know. 00:43:17
If we don't have a plan in place on things, we do. 00:43:20
We're going to be sued for a lot of things. 00:43:23
That we could. 00:43:25
Just be avoided. 00:43:27
If we had. 00:43:28
Something to show. 00:43:29
You know, especially the general plan. 00:43:30
You got to be familiar with that and make various master plans. 00:43:32
And I may not have mentioned but the various master plans. 00:43:38
Brings out various projects to focus on if you want to do stuff, so you can just pick one. 00:43:41
And just run with it. 00:43:47
At this point, I'll just turn it over to Cash to talk a lot more about the subdivision. 00:43:48
So we could have a better. 00:43:52
Yeah, so I just have a few different type of application examples to run through with you. Be really quick on these. What you see 00:43:54
here is on the right side. 00:43:58
Screen I believe. 00:44:02
Is going to be a preliminary applicant plat application. Essentially it's going to outline the street infrastructure of the lot 00:44:03
sizes and that kind of stuff for development. So as you can see you have holdaway fields. 00:44:07
As the whole development there. 00:44:12
And then as they're ready to build, they're going to subdivide that into a final plat and so on. The the. 00:44:14
Left side of the screen. 00:44:19
Right here it's hard to see you'll have a. 00:44:21
A final plot. The final plot will list setbacks. It'll list actual lot sizes, street names, stuff like that. That's the document 00:44:25
that gets recorded at the county. That's the document that's approved by the development review committee. 00:44:31
Commission, whatever it is. 00:44:37
Yeah. So the more detailed 1 is was approved by the development review committee. I believe they do both. We haven't done a 00:44:41
preliminary plat application in a minute. 00:44:45
But I believe the code says both are approved by the. 00:44:49
So. So once a plot plan is approved, one of them on the left, that's a plot plan, correct? 00:44:52
Once that preliminary plat plan, once that's approved, then. 00:44:57
That the final one there can be approved by the DRC without going back through Planning Commission, correct? That is correct. So 00:45:01
the public doesn't have to be involved. The DRC, the public is invited to those meetings there Thursdays when they can't get 00:45:04
there. I know. 00:45:08
That that's, that's unfortunately it's state statute that. 00:45:14
That it cannot be the the City Council and I believe it cannot be the Planning Commission. 00:45:17
That approved Platts. 00:45:21
So we kind of felt that the DRC was already an existing body. 00:45:23
That's the body that made sense to approve plots because it is essentially an administrative thing. We're having engineering look 00:45:26
at it. We're having the fire department review it. 00:45:30
It's essentially we're saying, does this meet the code that has been written that the Council has already approved? 00:45:33
If yes, we can improve it as a plot, get it recorded. If no, we cannot record it. 00:45:39
It's essentially A checklist with. 00:45:44
So yeah. 00:45:49
The next type of application that we deal with a lot of is going to be site plans. What you see here is an example of a 00:45:52
residential site plan. These are reviewed through an administrative process that will not. 00:45:57
Don't go through the Planning Commission or City Council. 00:46:03
After everything's been approved. 00:46:06
So you'll see you have the site layout there, it lists the size of the building, it shows the parking, it shows the setbacks for 00:46:07
the building. We ensure that that plan meets the plat. So for example, if this structure here, if this house, if the the house is 00:46:12
scooted all the way over to the properties. 00:46:18
Property line. 00:46:23
And it's a 10 foot side yard set back. We would deny the building permit application saying you need to be 10 feet from the 00:46:24
property line, according to the plat. 00:46:27
The next image you see is going to be an elevation. On that, we're going to measure mostly just the height of the building itself 00:46:32
and make sure that it's in compliance with our code. 00:46:35
So that's it on those type of applications. Any questions about them? 00:46:42
Pretty straightforward. 00:46:47
I will say on site plans. 00:46:49
Mostly review commercial site plan applications as those do go through the Planning Commission. Those do go in front of the public 00:46:50
for review, but once again, it is an administrative process. If the site plan meets our code, our hands are tied in terms of. 00:46:57
Denying a site plan unless we can tie it to specific reasons such as parking setbacks or height or something like that. 00:47:03
Well, there's a nice overview. Will there be time to talk about specific places later on in the presentation? Yeah, Yep, Yep. 00:47:11
We're almost done with this section and then we're going to get into the weeds on our master plans and our actual projects. 00:47:16
Administrative code enforcement. I know there's been a lot of talk at council meetings about code enforcement and how we can 00:47:23
improve those processes. Right? Here is just a brief snapshot of our administrative code enforcement process. I will also send 00:47:28
this out as a copy to you guys to review. But essentially, when we receive a complaint from a resident, we have to essentially 00:47:33
file into one of these 4 categories. We have criminal that will send straight to Holden and he'll handle right away, and then we 00:47:38
have citation abatement and nuisance. 00:47:43
And then according to that type of category, we have to follow a very strict process that we're dictated by our code and state 00:47:49
code on what we can cannot do. And it requires burden of proof, right? We need to make sure that if somebody submits A complaint 00:47:54
that we have actual evidence that what is going on is against our code. We can try and do the investigation ourselves. We can go 00:48:00
knock on doors, we can go look at the site. 00:48:05
And if we observe that, then we will send a notice of violation saying you have. 00:48:10
This amount of time to cure this if not, you will face these penalties and those penalties are listed out here as fees and we 00:48:14
have. 00:48:18
Marie has done excellent job at. 00:48:22
Keeping on top of that with these properties that we've had issues with and collecting those fees as the the punishment, like I 00:48:25
said, I'll send this out. It's a very, very clarifying document on how code enforcement works in the city. 00:48:30
That's all we really have on code enforcement. Is there anything in specific you have question on with that? 00:48:37
Right. Once I get that sheet, I'll just look through it and I'll e-mail you guys if I have any questions. OK, great. And and all 00:48:44
of these fees that are in here, you'll see those are all outlined in the fee schedule that the City Council adopts. So if that's 00:48:49
something that you feel should be more strict or. 00:48:54
More lenient, we can always make that adoption through the fee schedule. 00:48:58
Can I ask just? 00:49:05
Because I can't read the whole thing yet. 00:49:07
When I talked to Maria about code enforcement previously. 00:49:09
She mentioned that. 00:49:12
For example, the over occupancy one, that's like the biggest one. Absolutely, absolutely. 00:49:14
Is $100 per day. 00:49:19
Fee. 00:49:21
But can I ask what? 00:49:23
Enforcement mechanism exists. 00:49:25
For that fee, can we tie the fee to anything else? So generally speaking, when we've gotten to that point, we have to seek to our 00:49:29
legal counsel and just say, hey, this, this house has $1000 of fees and they are not willing to come into compliance. 00:49:35
They aren't. 00:49:41
Working with us, what can we do? And generally we rely on our legal counsel. In the past, we've had issues where the the issue was 00:49:42
they built a structure onto the back of their house that was against code and and we ended up putting a. 00:49:48
What's it called? 00:49:54
A lien on their property that when they sold the property, it had to be known that this structure did not go through the building 00:49:56
process was against zoning by zoning code. So that's one mechanism, but definitely open to having that conversation with our new 00:50:00
attorney on kind of what he would like to see. 00:50:05
But generally, that's been our practice. 00:50:10
And and I will say that probably 95% of the time when we get a complaint and we. 00:50:13
Issue a violation. 00:50:17
They usually come into compliance within that cure period. 00:50:18
OK. 00:50:22
Thank you. 00:50:23
So and most of the time if it is over occupancy we will offer different ways of remedying that. We will say we believe this is an 00:50:23
issue. 00:50:27
Can we come out and inspect the property? 00:50:31
And they will let us come onto their property. 00:50:33
We'll go count bedrooms and if we count 4 bedrooms. 00:50:35
With beds in them, we're going to say, OK, you're in compliance. Or they'll send us a copy of their leases and they'll say here's 00:50:37
the lease of these four people living here. And at that point that's evidence saying they are in compliance. Sometimes, sure, they 00:50:42
might have one or two people staying over their friends or whatever. It's really hard for us to. 00:50:47
To essentially measure that right if they just have a buddy coming over for a weekend. 00:50:52
Right. So we really do need hard evidence so that we can, you know, you don't want the government accusing you of something. 00:50:56
That you're not actually doing. 00:51:02
Right. So there's definitely a delicate line to balance there. 00:51:04
So that's it for. 00:51:10
Oh, sorry. 00:51:11
Yeah. 00:51:14
If you go back to that chart basically. 00:51:20
Like once a civil citation becomes so bad. 00:51:23
That's when. 00:51:27
We could kind of refer it over to a criminal citation, so that's why. 00:51:28
A lot of the times these fees, they, they accumulate, they escalate and once they get to a certain threshold then. 00:51:32
Then it can go into the kind of the criminal. 00:51:38
Court system that very rarely happens. 00:51:40
Just, you know, based on. 00:51:44
But. 00:51:47
Hey, once we get out of this local civil. 00:51:50
Issue. 00:51:52
That's kind of the next step. 00:51:53
And and I will say 11 obstacle that we have to to figure out with code enforcement. 00:51:55
Is is we don't have a court system in Vineyard for people to appeal to necessarily. 00:51:59
And so that's something we've kind of talked about in the past of how can we we do that? Can we partner with like ORMS court or 00:52:03
something to essentially resolve matters like what you were talking about with if, if fees get to a certain point, what can we do? 00:52:09
That's what a lot of cities will do is they have a civil court that the city can take the person to court and have a judge rule on 00:52:14
that. 00:52:17
We just don't have that ability because we don't have a contract with a court and we don't have a court here, so. 00:52:20
And it talked a little bit about that one. And some of these, some of these like parking citations and violations that we were 00:52:27
talking about, we can. 00:52:31
Refer those over to the ALJ and kind of have a preliminary appeals process through that and so hopefully that. 00:52:35
Going forward, can take care of our administrative law. That's the yeah. 00:52:41
Some of those issues so. 00:52:48
We don't have to. 00:52:49
We're not allowed to make yeah. 00:52:52
Gotten away from allowing cities to have. 00:52:54
And stuff. 00:52:58
OK. 00:53:00
Commercial Board. 00:53:02
Thanks, Ezra. 00:53:04
All right, great. So I'll give just a quick. These are like the four divisions of the Community Development Department. So zoning 00:53:10
as we talked about, that's going to be like the actual enforcing the laws. That zoning also includes the subdivision orders. So 00:53:15
those are kind of the two codes that our department would manage. 00:53:20
Planning, that's the master plan we talked about. We have economic development. OK, I can just go through each of one of these, 00:53:26
say yeah. 00:53:29
We've gone through this one extensively to jump. There's a general plan. We've gone through through a lot of these. 00:53:32
When you go to. 00:53:39
Economic development, so economic development, that's a really important one and I know in talking with some of the new council 00:53:41
members that's a really big important part is being able to lower your property taxes. That seems like a real goal the. 00:53:47
Of the new City Council so. 00:53:53
Economic development is going to play a really key, key role in that and there are there are certain projects that are coming up 00:53:55
that as the City Council. 00:53:59
Working with the with the land owners and developers to ensure that we get the commercial, any retail that we get is massive for 00:54:02
the city because we get sales tax from that. And so how it's broken out, we get a big chunk of that. So as much retail as we can 00:54:08
get. 00:54:13
Does help. Now retail is not as I would say as sustainable as like the overall property tax, but it is a really good portion of 00:54:19
your overall budget. And so wherever we can do that, that's going to be great. 00:54:25
This is also another kind of policy area if there's things that you want us to look at certain types of businesses or industries. 00:54:31
With the university coming in UVU, that's 225 acres. That's that's a pretty massive. 00:54:38
Project that, that that's gonna be right in our city. 00:54:44
Working with. 00:54:47
The university to get businesses that align with academics, there are certain things from a long range perspective that that could 00:54:48
really be big for the city. 00:54:51
We're not going to get any, any monies whatsoever for the university though. No property tax, no sales tax, anything from the 00:54:57
university, correct, right. You won't, you won't get. 00:55:00
You won't get property tax, but there there would be sales tax from the city. If they had a bookstore. We get sales tax, yeah. 00:55:04
And if they were to develop anything outside of the like scope of UVU's boundaries, like right now, they're proposing some 00:55:11
churches but say they wanted to bring in. 00:55:15
McDonald's or something, we'd get the sales tax from that. 00:55:18
Can I ask briefly about the? 00:55:24
Process that you guys have for business recruitment right now. 00:55:27
Yeah. So right now we have with our major land owners, we have our, we've kind of designated our Fridays for those meetings. So 00:55:30
that's one of our ways of like working with the flagship and the Utah city companies. 00:55:37
We were able to sit with them and talk about all their new projects and then that helps us to coordinate economic development 00:55:45
efforts. 00:55:48
HCI is a really important that's the Huntsman Cancer Institute that's going to bring. 00:55:52
Within just their first phase, I believe it's upwards of 500 jobs. So so. 00:55:57
Being able to meet on a regular basis with their major property owners, we've seen that pay off really big dividends. We meet with 00:56:02
the yard developers, that's ex development. 00:56:07
As they developed out the project. 00:56:12
Just really tight coordination. 00:56:14
Where that really helps is it helps us to align kind of what we're looking for from a service standpoint if we want more medical 00:56:17
uses. 00:56:20
If we want more daytime traffic. 00:56:24
Being able to meet on a regular basis is so big. 00:56:26
And so like that, that, that's a big one. And also working with our partners with like UDOT and MAG. 00:56:30
Infrastructure is so important and that's one thing that we've seen is like companies are already looking. So working with like 00:56:38
EDC Utah, they have, they have. 00:56:42
Essentially agents that go out and site locators and they look at properties because we have so much property in aggregate, 00:56:48
Vineyard is a really great location for for some of these. 00:56:54
The project that. 00:56:59
That cash will show you later on is 1,000,000 square feet that that's being proposed on the. 00:57:01
The northeast side of the city, that will be the biggest project that there our city is going to see. 00:57:06
And, and that, that'll be incredible. Now it will have some impacts to the city as well. So we need to look at those. But from 00:57:11
bringing employers into the into the city, that's really important for our residents. 00:57:17
But also just from the property values that will be increased. So we work really closely with like those those partners from 00:57:24
infrastructure standpoint and also from just like meeting and coordinating the, the development. Now we do have the RDA and so 00:57:31
Josh Daniels is the RDA director. And so there's that, that's where you can utilize future property taxes. 00:57:38
To help. 00:57:45
Build the infrastructure and that's a major cost to a lot of developers and the cleanup of Geneva. 00:57:46
That of that alone brought. 00:57:54
A project that was most likely not not going to be a project that. 00:57:56
From the private side, you'd be able to just take on because of all the millions of dollars that went into the cleanup. And so the 00:57:59
RDA was able to help with the kind of the environmental cleanup, but then get the infrastructure in place so that that could 00:58:05
actually be developed. So that's very long range, but I'd say the RDA is a really big. 00:58:10
Part of the economic development. 00:58:16
So I guess more specifically, I was trying to. 00:58:18
Figure out what's the actual process for bringing in. 00:58:21
A business entity. 00:58:24
Because I mean, kind of what you shared is it sounds like, you know, you're having these meetings, we're getting alignment with 00:58:26
the developers. Yeah. And then are the developers the ones that are approaching businesses to try to bring them into the 00:58:30
development? Both. Yeah. So the city will as well. 00:58:34
And and we. 00:58:39
Like it for instance, when when we worked on the grocery store that the city like we met with all all the different players. 00:58:42
Usually there's a large commercial agent that represents like your the represent Smiths. 00:58:47
Or that that'll that'll represent. 00:58:53
You know, just just really any of those groceries grocers at like Macy's. So we, we would go, we would meet with, with the 00:58:56
Associated Foods reps. 00:59:01
And so that, that, that was pretty important. We actually, it was about six years ago we, we came really close to getting a 00:59:07
grocery store, but they wanted to be in a park. 00:59:10
He actually wanted the city to get to sell them Parkland and Gammon Park. And so it was just something the City Council is like, 00:59:15
no, that's gonna, you know, we don't give up Parkland for commercial development. 00:59:20
But yeah, a lot of times it's going out working with like Top Golf, that was kind of 1 where. 00:59:26
The developer. 00:59:32
Went out. 00:59:34
And they had what's called Big Shots. That was the name of the of the project. And there's, I think there's one in Texas and 00:59:35
there's there might be one in Arizona. But it was supposed to be like the competitor Top Golf. So we worked with them and then we 00:59:41
went out and once like the approval went through for a big shot, then Top Golf got really interested because they, they didn't 00:59:47
want, they wanted to dominate basically the Utah County market. And so that actually got Top Golf kind of the primary. 00:59:53
A bit business to come in and so yeah, it's it's complex like there's the. 01:00:00
The icy. 01:00:05
The ICSC conference, so we've gone to that a few times in Las Vegas and that's really cool because you'll get. 01:00:07
It's like thousands of different retailers all in one area and you have like two or three days of just really intense meetings 01:00:13
where you go from booth to booth to booth and you try to set up meetings and that helps I've. 01:00:18
I haven't, I haven't seen a lot of success from that. I think at this point now where we're like developing out like. 01:00:23
The whole downtown area when we were going. 01:00:30
Didn't have like. 01:00:33
All the planning in place, the infrastructure, now we're at a point where it would be, it is actually easier to get people in 01:00:34
because now there's buildable pads like the infrastructure in place. You're essentially just pulling billing permits and site 01:00:39
plans at this point. And so I'd like this next 4 to 5, four to eight years for the city I think are going to be really big because 01:00:44
it's like the sites are development ready. 01:00:49
So it's going to be really exciting from economic development standpoint. So can I ask? 01:00:55
Outside of the RDA. 01:00:59
As far as just the city proper. 01:01:01
Do we have any? 01:01:03
Business incentives or? 01:01:05
Recruitment tools to try to bring someone in. 01:01:07
Do we offer sales tax rebates or something through the city as opposed to? 01:01:10
The RDA. 01:01:14
No, we don't. 01:01:15
In the past, and I think this about six years ago, the City Council was interested in looking at. 01:01:17
I think Lehigh does this, but there we were given some ideas of actually just instead of because it's always like the RDA was, you 01:01:23
know, got Top Golf, which is great, brings jobs, it's economic development. But is there a way for us to incentivize small 01:01:28
businesses? And So what we did is we worked with. 01:01:33
So I would say kind of on that front. 01:01:39
To kind of align with what you're saying, we worked with. 01:01:41
The Homestead developer. 01:01:44
So where they have the townhomes, where the overpasses, just just on the South side of that, there's 56 live work units that that 01:01:46
are being built. And that that was staff just sitting down with the developer and saying. 01:01:53
We have this awesome opportunity. 01:02:00
To you're right off the. 01:02:02
The overpass. Why don't we? 01:02:04
Make an opportunity where we have a lot of small businesses that can come in. And so those live work units, how we set it up from 01:02:06
a development agreement standpoint and the zoning standpoint was that the ground floor would be set up as a storefront and the 01:02:11
person that owned the business would actually live above the business. And so as those get built, you'll see two to three bedrooms 01:02:16
on top with essentially like the office or the storefront on the bottom. And that's a massive opportunity and those are being 01:02:22
built right now. 01:02:27
And so as they fill up, you'll see a lot of small businesses. And I would say for the City Council standpoint, those are gonna be 01:02:32
brand new businesses. I would recommend getting in there, becoming friends with these guys. 01:02:37
Because as they mature. 01:02:42
Try to retain them, say we love you guys, stay here and expand in our city. So those small businesses 5 to 10 years are going to 01:02:44
become like your brick and mortar throughout the city. So that's another way is just like helping to. 01:02:50
To helping like the developers or land owners to see a vision that's one that was realized, that's. 01:02:56
That could be really major for us. 01:03:01
Those direct incentives are. 01:03:07
Completely. 01:03:10
There's very limited. 01:03:12
Avenues for? 01:03:14
Lighting up because the state. 01:03:15
Wants to ensure that businesses aren't competing with each other. It's like. 01:03:17
We want the incentives to come to the state and then once they decide to come to Utah. 01:03:21
That used to turn into cities fighting against each other to offer those. 01:03:25
Those incentives? 01:03:28
And that was just making things worse for everybody statewide and so. 01:03:30
They've actually made it illegal for. 01:03:34
Cities to offer. 01:03:36
Specific tax rebate incentives for for sales of property tax. 01:03:37
For those incentives. 01:03:42
But they do allow the investment in infrastructure and that's where. 01:03:44
Kind of. 01:03:48
Use. That's really our opportunity to. 01:03:48
Hey, we'll lower your costs here. 01:03:51
Make it a little bit easier to start up the business where we can't offer those direct resale retail incentives anymore. 01:03:53
So my question is. 01:04:01
Where else in the city would you have him expand to? You talk about a small live workplaces. 01:04:03
You want them to, you know, stay in Vineyard. Expand. Expand here. 01:04:09
Where would they do that? 01:04:13
Yeah. Well, you have, that's a, that's a great point. Well, you have the downtown area like that right. There is going to be a 01:04:14
huge economic development area. You have flagship or flag borough has it all programmed and they want it the way they want it. 01:04:20
Their first phase, I mean, they, they, they have it, they have it mapped out, but you're talking. 01:04:27
250 acres of downtown like for our city that's that's a really big downtown and so and that most likely I mean, I, I think from 01:04:32
the developer side, like the developers are always extremely optimistic. This is we're going to have this built in 10 years. 01:04:37
That's a huge project by. 01:04:42
I mean by. 01:04:47
My bet is you're looking at like anywhere from 15 to 20, maybe in 25 years. That's 250 acres of land plus the other side. 01:04:49
I mean that the total area of like the East Geneva, you're looking at like another 400 plus acres, not including the the 01:04:57
university. 01:05:01
And so I you know, and that's all zone commercial. So yeah. And and the yard and the yard, 2 year old, you'll see businesses come 01:05:05
in and out and so like. 01:05:09
You'll, you'll see where there's, there's a vacant space and if you have a live work unit that's a commercial unit like. 01:05:14
Expand where we have space right now. 01:05:19
And there's also like the pie shaped. 01:05:22
Property where you come over the the Center St. overpass. 01:05:24
Right, you know, right next to like Dairy Queen, you know that vacant land right there that, that that's another project in this, 01:05:29
this next year or two, they're going to come forward with a site plan and you'll see office retail. 01:05:34
So that's, that's another piece. The forge, that's another 40 acres. I mean, there's some really significant tracts of land. 01:05:39
For development. 01:05:45
So they're basically. 01:05:46
Land owners, developer slash land owners and they've had to work with, right? 01:05:48
There's that pie shaped. 01:05:52
Place you mentioned, I'm not sure who owns that. 01:05:53
Then there's the Forge, Eric. Next development. 01:05:55
Martin Snow up north. 01:05:58
Or flag roll. That's really it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ex dev. And now because they've sold off a lot of those and what you what you 01:06:00
see and you see this everywhere. 01:06:04
A lot of these these parcels now that they're starting to be sold off. So you're having like smaller property owners. 01:06:09
You have redevelopment and so typically once you hit that, that 10 year to 20 year life cycle, you start to see a lot of a lot of 01:06:15
redevelopment where someone comes in, they say I want to expand. 01:06:21
Or this one story building doesn't work because of where the market and the property values are right now. I actually want to tear 01:06:26
that down and build an office building or build build something that's a lot more significant. 01:06:32
Yeah, yeah, the Pruitts. Yeah, Steve. 01:06:37
So there's, yeah, there's quite a few. But yeah, we do have larger tracks that are owned by. 01:06:40
By essentially 1 entity. 01:06:45
And so. 01:06:47
That's different, but as you know, Fast forward 10 to 20 years from now, within cities more mature, you'll see something that's 01:06:48
like a. 01:06:51
Like an arm where you have lots of smaller properties because because of subdividing just that, such as the nature of the game. 01:06:55
So his next development, selling off those pads over there that they own that whole. 01:07:02
Yard, right? Yeah. And also a section out there in Geneva Rd. 01:07:07
So. 01:07:11
They don't have plans to sell any that I know of. 01:07:12
The the state of the forge, they don't want to so much. 01:07:15
So the xdev on GRMU, that's where like the AutoZone the. 01:07:18
Car wash. Those have all been individually sold out. X step has no ownership of those. 01:07:22
They are even in the talks of selling off that multifamily building that they got approved and they have sold off a few of the 01:07:26
other retail businesses like where the escape room is that was sold to a different developer, different. 01:07:31
Owner and they they still have. 01:07:37
Three more pads that they essentially could sell the rights off to be developed out. 01:07:39
Typically you'll you'll see this a lot, but like a property will say I. 01:07:44
We're going to hold it all, we're going to rent them, but it just all depends on market conditions if they want to invest in 01:07:47
another project. 01:07:51
Like the, the, the, the dynamics of the market change their, their, their, their attitudes moving forward. So that's. 01:07:54
Yeah, ex dev has definitely changed. 01:08:01
Their method. All right. Thank you. 01:08:03
And then neighborhood services. 01:08:09
So we talked a little bit about this. This is one of those areas as you, as you build out, making sure that you stay on top of 01:08:12
this, This is how you keep your city clean. You keep things nice. 01:08:18
Make sure you stay on top of. 01:08:24
Graffiti, weeds and as the city starts to mature, especially on the GRMU where that's the Geneva Rd. area where you do have some 01:08:25
auto uses in past cities I've worked for where you get a lot of auto uses, they are they are good, but they do they start to 01:08:30
create a lot of garbage. 01:08:35
And letter and you can see things getting getting started up. So especially if you get any repair shops and we do have a plan for 01:08:41
some of those. So those are like from a commercial perspective moving forward, you want to make sure that we keep kind of a good 01:08:46
watch on that and just keep sites clean, make sure landscaping. 01:08:52
Stays maintained. 01:08:57
Developers will come through with a landscape plan, they get it approved, they build it, everything looks great. 10 years later, 01:08:59
the landscaping is all dead. And so that's where also the code enforcement part is really good, making sure that they reinstitute 01:09:03
their landscaping plan that that was originally approved. 01:09:08
Yeah. 01:09:17
So I'm back again on master plans. 01:09:26
So at this point, we're going to be diving into various master plans that have been. 01:09:30
Completed or are still ongoing in the city. 01:09:35
And this first one is going to be the station area plan. 01:09:38
It was one that I mean it's been completed and it was adopted by City Council. 01:09:40
This past year. 01:09:47
And this is one that. 01:09:49
Was mandated by the state. 01:09:51
To be done and completed. 01:09:53
Before the end of 2025. 01:09:55
So we started a process. 01:09:57
It took a couple of years, about 3. 01:10:00
Three years or so. 01:10:02
To get to the point where we are. 01:10:03
Had it adopted? 01:10:06
This one. 01:10:08
Required that we study just a half mile around the station. 01:10:08
And. 01:10:13
If you look at this, the half mile is the red, you know. 01:10:14
Ring that you have around the station. 01:10:18
We have. 01:10:21
The West Side. 01:10:22
Fully planned out in the Utah City area, the downtown. 01:10:24
On the on the South side, it's already built out. 01:10:29
And. 01:10:32
The east side on the other side of the tracks is. 01:10:33
Predominantly. 01:10:37
State land, which is UVU. 01:10:39
And we have no control over that one. 01:10:42
The only part that we could. 01:10:45
Plan as part of the requirements by the state. 01:10:47
Are those little slivers that you see? 01:10:49
Around. 01:10:52
A UVU property. 01:10:54
Around here. 01:10:56
In the sense of this process, the state calls that. 01:11:01
Impracticable land because we really within the half mile can do much. However, we had vacant 430 acres on the north. 01:11:04
The northeast of where the you know, the state requires us to study or create the plan, so we decided to expand it into a full 01:11:14
mile. 01:11:19
By doing that. 01:11:24
It gives us the opportunity. 01:11:25
To plan out in such a way that it connects seamlessly with. 01:11:27
Areas that have already been planned and approved, entitlements already. 01:11:31
And also. 01:11:35
We've been working really well with UVU, they've been great partners. 01:11:37
And. 01:11:40
As we did the station area plan, we we came at. 01:11:41
Discussions where whatever goes eventually into. 01:11:45
The Northeastern, which is outside of. 01:11:49
The half mile. 01:11:51
You know, works seamlessly with whatever they're trying to bring in, but whether it be businesses or, you know, kind of make 01:11:53
campuses, whatever it is. 01:11:57
We did this plan with them. 01:12:01
And all the land owners, just so that they know. 01:12:04
What the city stands and all this? 01:12:07
As part of the big vision. 01:12:10
Which is in the general plan. 01:12:11
The active transportation plan. 01:12:16
And Wayfinding plan is another project that is essentially completed. 01:12:18
We had a grant from MAG. 01:12:24
What, two years ago? 01:12:27
About two years ago and we went through a public process we did have. 01:12:29
An active transportation plan. 01:12:33
And with how fast the city is growing, you know, typically after 5 to 10 years, you want to review all your master plans and. 01:12:35
Find out if these are. 01:12:43
Still worth the way they're supposed to be. 01:12:44
Or. 01:12:47
You just update them and when we looked at how the city is growing the Mill Rd. area, which is the. 01:12:47
Eastern corridor of the city. 01:12:54
Was lacking infrastructure that supported. 01:12:56
Good active transportation travel. 01:12:59
Options and ask the West side. 01:13:02
Of the city has all these things in place in terms of some being built and some already planned out in the transportation master 01:13:05
plan. 01:13:09
We thought doing this. 01:13:13
Would also help, that's part of the city. 01:13:15
Be better connected with the rest of the city. 01:13:18
And also. 01:13:20
We took the opportunity because we had a good budget. 01:13:22
To create a wayfinding master plan. 01:13:25
That is going to put up. We set up standards. 01:13:27
That. 01:13:31
Makes clear what kind of science can go on the trails. 01:13:33
We're going to have new residents. We want to direct them to where things are. You know, want to say the yard is 5 miles ahead, We 01:13:36
have bike station. 01:13:40
Maybe one mile ahead. 01:13:45
You know, we want to have a better connector trail system. 01:13:47
That promotes active, healthy life choices and for people that can drive. 01:13:51
Can easily roll on their wheelchairs. 01:13:56
Through our trails. 01:13:58
Throughout the city. 01:13:59
And. 01:14:00
Essentially this plan. 01:14:02
Is done. 01:14:03
It's completed, but we thought. 01:14:05
Instead of having it go through last year and be approved. 01:14:07
We wanted to bring it to the new Council if you want to make some inputs and all that. 01:14:11
It identified projects and this area where you see the numbers identifies various projects. How to make it safer? 01:14:15
We had. 01:14:22
Every month. 01:14:23
Active Transportation Commission. 01:14:25
Gave the public the chance to make inputs to this plan. 01:14:27
We also had, you know, various other public engagement opportunities. So it was extensively reached out to the public. We had 01:14:30
positive feedback. 01:14:34
To this point where we. 01:14:38
Just need to. 01:14:40
Adopt the plan. 01:14:43
So that's where we are. 01:14:44
I'll turn it over to cash on this one. 01:14:50
This is a small area plan that that we've been working on. 01:14:53
This is. 01:14:57
David's familiar with the Hold Way Rd. all the way from Center St. all the way down to 4 S. Just identifying how we can improve 01:14:58
the safety of this road, how we can reduce cut down traffic on this road, especially with four S being completed. Hopefully this 01:15:03
year that that will be resolved. But then also identifying these intersections and how to make them safer. We've heard from 01:15:09
residents, they really hate the stop sign in the middle there, but what could we do to? 01:15:14
To essentially slow down traffic there if we were to get rid of that. The status for this right now is we're working with the 01:15:20
engineering team to do a survey of the road, especially on the South side. You have a lot of historic partials that are. 01:15:26
Just frankly messy. They some partials our own part of the street. 01:15:33
A lot of this was thanks to a petition that Councilman Larae started and. 01:16:07
Passed off to the city and we got budget for it so. 01:16:12
Hopefully once we get those survey results back, we can get moving on it at a staff level. 01:16:15
Can I just say that the intent was to make it a bicycle Blvd. 01:16:20
And that. 01:16:24
The residents already signed off on it. We had we had about 858088 percent. 01:16:27
Approval of it and we had. 01:16:33
One person. 01:16:34
Didn't like it. The rest of them, the other, the rest of that percentage who didn't, it wasn't the 88%. 01:16:35
Just for people that were. 01:16:40
You know, renders didn't want to participate. 01:16:41
Sure, Yeah, and. 01:16:43
But The thing is, you've got a plan and that, that, that was what they wanted. Yeah, we, we still from, I mean, and that was great 01:16:45
work that you did, but you still do want to, to essentially. 01:16:50
Go back as a staff level and. 01:16:55
Hold an open house and hear from them. 01:16:56
And present different options, right? You you might have presented one option, but they might not know that AB and C were also 01:16:58
options, right? And so not not at all discrediting the work that you did. 01:17:03
But just to show what, what are the possibilities on this road? 01:17:07
With the the the right of way that we have on it. 01:17:10
I can. 01:17:15
Yeah, we get a monorail that that'd be a nice liner in there. 01:17:21
We have a. 01:17:29
OK, I guess I don't understand. I guess so you don't. 01:17:31
Unless the planet is something you guys have looked at and approved and want. 01:17:36
You know, you know, it's just just the public's. 01:17:40
Plan isn't good enough, ever. 01:17:42
Now if you if. 01:17:44
If the. 01:17:46
No, I don't know why. 01:17:47
Like what we really mean by that it has to go through a process if you guys approve. 01:17:50
Like what we got from you was a cross section. 01:17:54
That that that showed. 01:17:57
Essentially what you guys wanted, if that's what the City Council wants. 01:17:59
You adopt it, you should go through that transportation Commission, go through Planning Commission. 01:18:01
He goes for City Council. 01:18:06
That's the process we're talking about, so. 01:18:07
If that's exactly what you want. 01:18:09
Then send it to the process and get it adopted. But if you want to look at. 01:18:12
Like there's. 01:18:16
Like this road, there's area we've heard from residents, like there's areas that don't have sidewalks. 01:18:17
There's the potential for this connection here. 01:18:22
That goes through Pogmon if you like. There was the idea of wanting to to. 01:18:25
Essentially block off the road and reroute it. So it's not it's not a cut through. 01:18:29
If you wanted to look at that that process in a more dynamic light, you could do that. You have the schools on both sides. 01:18:34
And you also have the park. 01:18:41
And so. 01:18:42
You, I mean you, you could, you could look at it from a big a bigger. 01:18:43
Perspective and say like do we want to reroute it so there's not cut through? 01:18:47
Do we want to simply just? 01:18:51
Do the paint that did you guys want. If you do that, then you you, you do want that engineered so you're meeting. 01:18:52
What whatever the engineering requirements are. 01:18:58
But if that's that's the baseline what you want, then I would take it through the process and do it. 01:19:00
I'll have I'll take us offline with you later. 01:19:08
This community development house only if I get a button on your presentation. 01:19:18
Just again the same. 01:19:24
See if it works in engineering. 01:19:26
Just one aspect to that and that concerns me the most is of course going through the process in regards to these designs and 01:19:28
developments is. 01:19:33
At the end of the day. 01:19:37
At the end of all this. 01:19:40
The planners look at us to say. 01:19:41
Build it. 01:19:43
And I look back at them, I say, with what money? 01:19:44
So going through that public process allows us to advocate for the funding. 01:19:47
As well as. 01:19:52
Either whether it's from City Council and transportation impact fees, other type of fees, or even through. 01:19:53
Grants and at the end of the day, going through that process and receiving. 01:20:00
Council approval and direction provides us the ability to. 01:20:04
Allocate funds towards those type of things. So I love the. 01:20:08
Planners. Master plans. 01:20:13
And so forth. Then I always ask for as the funding at the very end of it. 01:20:15
Is on the implementation. 01:20:19
So I just want to make sure I. 01:20:21
Reiterate. 01:20:24
That as much as I can. 01:20:25
Thank you. 01:20:27
11 exciting project that that we're mostly just working on on coordination with is the Utah Trail network. I'll be very brief on 01:20:29
this. This is the State of Utah project. They're building a trail from I-15 off of 800 N all the way down to the lake. 01:20:35
You know, stuck walking on the street or in dirt. So this will be an awesome, awesome opportunity for the city. 01:21:09
Well, thank you. We're going to move on to the Vineyard Beach Park. 01:21:20
So the scope of this is, you know, essentially to improve the existing Vineyard beach with more amenities. 01:21:25
We're fortunate enough to have. 01:21:33
A grant from the. 01:21:35
Tourism, Recreation. 01:21:39
Culture and convention. 01:21:40
Which essentially is the county. 01:21:42
CRCC. 01:21:45
To help this. 01:21:47
This improvement happen. 01:21:49
So why ask? You said this is the existing Vineyard beach, so that's the county owned park. 01:21:50
On the North. 01:21:55
Side of. 01:21:56
All the condos and apartments. 01:21:57
Can you say that again? Sorry. 01:21:59
You said this is. 01:22:02
To supplement or build upon the existing Vineyard Beach Park. Yes, that park is. 01:22:03
County owned, correct? 01:22:08
Vineyard Beach. 01:22:10
Is owned by the city Vineyard City. 01:22:11
Right. But we're going to build it out. 01:22:14
Wait, which one? 01:22:16
Yes, that that state. So yeah. 01:22:19
So you have been your beach right now. 01:22:22
Which is essentially. 01:22:24
Like this area right here? 01:22:26
But the plan would would improve. 01:22:28
That, that, that, that whole. 01:22:32
That whole segment, so, but it was several years ago we went through what's called the waterfront. 01:22:33
Master plan that looked at the entire waterfront. So it kind of showed providing. 01:22:38
Areas where you can get out over the water, that's where it shows the Piers. That's kind of conceptual. 01:22:43
But in between where? 01:22:48
Those peers would be that would be an improvement all the all the way across. 01:22:50
So that's FFSL, that's state land, so we'd have to go through their permitting process. 01:22:54
OK, understood. Does the state intend to grant us that land? 01:22:59
No, no. So they would. It would stay, stay. 01:23:03
State land. So we did. We would do a permit process. 01:23:05
Through the state. So that's who we're working with right now. 01:23:08
OK, Deb. 01:23:11
A couple things. 01:23:15
I that waterfront plan. 01:23:16
Was was vastly flawed from the beginning. 01:23:20
Because we were planning to build things on land we didn't control. 01:23:24
State land. 01:23:27
We had several peers. I received a reduced number of peers on this plant here. That's nice. 01:23:29
But that was that also the thing you. 01:23:34
Figured out is that. 01:23:36
That water is only about 18 inches deep out for at least 1/4 mile. 01:23:38
And so getting votes and such because you shot boat ramps and so forth. 01:23:43
That it's just. 01:23:47
Is not practical. 01:23:48
You would have to be dredged and maintained. 01:23:50
For you know, you know. 01:23:53
On a regular basis. 01:23:55
So I think. 01:23:56
So unless you. 01:23:57
We worked that plan. 01:23:59
Considerably. Umm. 01:24:00
It's just not workable. 01:24:01
Practical. And it's one of the problems I have with these master plans is we haven't bothered to figure out whether things 01:24:03
practical before we go back into deciding it. 01:24:07
To, you know, draw pretty pictures about what you think you want it to look like. 01:24:11
OK, so just to add to that. 01:24:18
We do not. 01:24:19
Our staff. 01:24:20
Come up with all this. It goes through a public process and I respect the. 01:24:22
The point on the staff hired. 01:24:27
Firm from Boston that came out in the years they surveyed but surveyed everybody. 01:24:30
By having them come into a large group setting where the theater I think it was and and it'll come. Put a sticker on here. Where 01:24:34
do you want this thing? Put up a sticker on where you want it and everyone and there was no consideration what was possible. 01:24:39
Just all Wouldn't it be wonderful to have this thing? 01:24:45
And so it's totally impractical. 01:24:48
That's my point. 01:24:50
Oh, and that costs us a lot of money. Bring up Boston. 01:24:53
Yeah, well, that was that was through the grand. That's that's what, that's what paid for. 01:25:00
Well, I. 01:25:06
You're you're, you're you're you're saying you're saying we wasted that. And I would disagree with with how you prove that 01:25:07
presented that. 01:25:09
Like like the master plan was not just us drawing pretty pictures like they like we had engineers that came in. There's processes. 01:25:13
We did meet with FFSL. 01:25:17
And they're, they were very conceptual. So the idea with with that type of master plan. 01:25:22
I mean, I mean, that's. 01:25:27
That's very visionary, like looking at the waterfront, you're looking at 20 to 40 years. 01:25:28
The idea is looking at kind of what we can do now. And so that's that. That's what the Vineyard Beach project is like, what FFSL 01:25:32
will approve right now. The idea with like doing peers and stuff like that, I mean, those are things that are further down the 01:25:38
road and we have met with FSL on it. They'd have to be engineered. They'd have to meet their requirements. 01:25:44
And so, yeah, I mean, you can, you can engineer something to work and that's, you know, part of it is putting kind of like. 01:25:50
What would that the city want if we could do something there and then and then as you start to implement it, you take you take 01:25:57
chunks of it. So the part that we're talking about right now with the with the grant that we have money for, it's about 3 point, I 01:26:02
think $6 million in total. 01:26:06
That that that would be to improve areas that are that are uplands. And so that that's kind of the focus right now is how do we 01:26:11
improve? 01:26:15
The uplands so that there's more access points, so it's safer from a transportation standpoint, so that there's amenities. 01:26:19
That are close to the lake right now so that there's parking facilities so that's. 01:26:27
That would be the focus for this, this first phase, but from a long range perspective, I mean. 01:26:32
You wouldn't be able to do peers and those kind of things for a long time. 01:26:37
But if the city wanted to move in that direction. 01:26:41
Having it in a master plan. 01:26:43
Is like, what do you want to see in 40 years? I mean, that's the idea is you. 01:26:46
From that type of master. 01:26:50
Plan. It's a very visionary type master plan for something like the Parks master plan. 01:26:51
Like that's, that's different than the waterfront parks. You're actually saying, OK, like how do we like, what realistically are 01:26:55
we going to build in these areas? 01:26:59
And so like. 01:27:03
So I guess I would just kind of disagree in that standpoint from. 01:27:04
We weren't just drawing pretty pictures, we. 01:27:08
We analyze it. We looked at it from a very long range perspective. What could happen? 01:27:10
And then? 01:27:15
As we phase it in, we actually take the very realistic things well, we know that FFSL will allow this, this and this. 01:27:16
And then we move forward under under those standards. 01:27:23
I'll so sorry. 01:27:29
Thoughts. So many thoughts. 01:27:32
Perhaps it would be helpful because I know this is an issue that. 01:27:34
I ran into. 01:27:37
In the last week meeting with Parks and Rec. 01:27:38
Is we see the master plan? 01:27:42
Presented up on the. 01:27:44
Board. 01:27:46
But it's not. 01:27:47
There's not timelines connected with it. 01:27:49
And so on the first glance and impression, it's all of this all at once. 01:27:51
Sure. And that. 01:27:56
I mean to kind of address both of the things that you guys are bringing up right now. 01:27:58
If we could go through things as they're presented, maybe on like a. 01:28:03
A timeline. 01:28:07
You know, maybe in 40 years, you know, you put that in there, there's funding for it in 40 years and that's what lets it get built 01:28:09
out. So the full picture or intent? 01:28:13
But I think you're right, it's very. 01:28:17
I mean, these are plans that maybe we don't see in our lifetime, you know, be completed. 01:28:21
So understanding maybe what's more. 01:28:27
Immediate versus what's? 01:28:30
Longer term or put in there so that we could seek money for it later. 01:28:32
That would help council understanding. No, I appreciate that. And so Anthony has essentially a presentation. What might be helpful 01:28:36
is to have a work session just on this project because it really is a big project. 01:28:42
But he'd be able to show you exactly what you're saying. 01:28:47
The area that would be under consideration for this grant. 01:28:51
And we do have. 01:28:55
Like the plans that are very specific, I would show you exactly what we're proposing for that area. 01:28:57
So what you're seeing right now is the overall vision, as Morgan has shared. 01:29:04
But the upland side? 01:29:07
Again, we're still working with FFSL. 01:29:10
To be able to. 01:29:12
Get this tightened up in a way that they allow on their land. 01:29:13
Because of sovereign land. 01:29:17
But again. 01:29:19
Not everything Upland belongs to them, but is planned in such a way that is connected. We need to work with them to make the 01:29:20
little piece that belongs to Vineyard work. 01:29:24
As well. 01:29:29
So. 01:29:30
At this point. 01:29:32
Move on to. 01:29:33
You know the funding that. 01:29:36
How it happened? So we're given 3 point. 01:29:37
5 million. 01:29:40
3.6 Essentially $1,000,000. 01:29:41
And at the time, could you clarify what's the TRCC again? 01:29:44
That's the tourism. 01:29:48
Recreational, cultural, and convention. 01:29:51
TRCC. 01:29:54
Right there. 01:29:55
Hotels and yeah. 01:30:01
I just couldn't remember the. 01:30:03
With the tourism, but I can remember most of the state. 01:30:05
Yeah. So the part of this project that is realistic that we can get, you know, built probably in the next. 01:30:11
Three to five years. 01:30:18
Is what we're looking to use this money for. 01:30:20
And. 01:30:22
In total, we've been given. 01:30:23
About $3.6 million. Originally in 2020 we're given about $3,000,000 at a time. 01:30:27
That upland area where we could build. 01:30:33
And be part of an extensive park system in the city was, you know. 01:30:35
Costed at about $6 million. 01:30:41
Time went by because we have to do better planning, not because we have money. We just go into building stuff. We need a real plan 01:30:44
so we know. 01:30:47
Faced, you know, we can face it. Out into what? 01:30:50
Needs to be done immediately. What needs to be done? You know in the future what could even be done. 01:30:54
And and what you know time frame. 01:30:59
That took us to 2023. At the time the money was about expiring, so we went back to TRCC, the county and they. 01:31:02
Essentially worked with us to get. 01:31:11
An adjustment because inflation at the time. 01:31:14
The project was now costing, you know, over a million, you know, $1.2 million more. 01:31:17
Now when they gave us all of that, I'm giving you all the timeline so you follow the story when they give us that. 01:31:25
You know that inflationary adjustment? 01:31:30
They extended the time for us to use the money. 01:31:32
And that was up until May 2026 and we have not been able to use. 01:31:35
Everything. 01:31:40
Or at least build the park or the part that was realistic because we're running into issues with FFSL. We're working with state. 01:31:41
To make sure that. 01:31:50
You know things. 01:31:51
Are in line with what they also envisioned for the area and they're, you know, they're on board, they like it, they just want to 01:31:52
make sure we're using the right material we're using. 01:31:56
You know, we're creating better accesses down to the lake because they like us to create such things. 01:32:01
Went back to them because we obviously don't have the project yet. 01:32:07
We don't have the permits to have us started building, so we went back to the. 01:32:11
TRCC Grant. 01:32:16
And essentially told them that we need to workout something else because we can't use the money in 2026 by 2026 May. 01:32:17
Block 6 is going to be. 01:32:26
City Park. 01:32:28
That the developer on the east side is going to be building. So essentially we came into an agreement where instead of that money 01:32:29
just sitting. 01:32:33
We. 01:32:38
Mate, we're gonna make the. 01:32:38
The developer build block 6. 01:32:40
And when we're able to get through all our permitting. 01:32:43
We'll be able to. 01:32:46
Then have them pay the same amount of money that they used. 01:32:47
In building block 6 because then it brings in a park earlier to the city. 01:32:51
Rather than just holding that money. 01:32:56
And. 01:32:58
The developer building Block 6 at their own pace. We're helping them to get it done faster so we have a earlier park and this. 01:32:58
Block 6 is part of the whole overall plan and it's connected to, as you can see, the original improvement area. So it, you know, 01:33:07
part of this. 01:33:11
Massive linear. 01:33:16
Park system where you can. 01:33:18
Just get down from the train station and walk down to the beautiful lake parks that exist. 01:33:20
Can I ask just for my understanding of I'm trying to merge some of these plans together? Yeah, sure. 01:33:26
The microphone. 01:33:31
In the. 01:33:32
Bottom right corner there, just on the north side of the apartments. 01:33:34
Isn't. 01:33:38
I mean, because that's where they're building the overpass. 01:33:39
And then there's supposed to be the the roundabout there, correct? 01:33:43
Yes, OK. 01:33:46
I Does that interfere at all with the building of the park? I mean, because in my mind it looks like it take would take up, you 01:33:48
know? Yeah, I'm gonna show right here. That's it right here. 01:33:52
OK, so so the road would come, would go right in. 01:33:56
So that's it. Do you see it? Yeah. So that's going to be the bridge. 01:34:00
Right here in the bottom left, David, Yeah. 01:34:05
Bottom right here. 01:34:09
Oh sorry, I was looking at the page. 01:34:11
Was showing the property line. Property line comes down a little bit. 01:34:14
So this bridge takes up a portion of the bottom of the the park. 01:34:17
But the park would become that. 01:34:22
The majority? 01:34:23
Going north on that parcel. 01:34:25
Yeah, it would be helpful see a map with with that actually drawn in so you can see. 01:34:26
Because you have, you have. 01:34:31
Get a lot of grade in there too because you have that that. 01:34:33
Yeah. 01:34:39
Yeah. So as I mentioned earlier, this is all part of a connected park system that's going to make. 01:34:41
It easier for people to just get through the city, especially from the front runner station over to the. 01:34:46
To the lake and once we have people getting over to our lake. 01:34:52
They're going to spend money in the city where? 01:34:56
That's like, you know, dollars that we're having spent in our city. 01:34:58
That's economic development. We're having a lot more people. 01:35:02
Bringing dollars that are spent in our city. 01:35:05
So. 01:35:08
This is to give you an idea of how block 6 is going to look. 01:35:09
And I'm just going to jump it over at this point. 01:35:15
And this is going to be the South side of whatever I showed you on the north of the lake. 01:35:18
This is a project called the Bluffs of Vineyard. It is the property just to the West of Lakefront neighborhood. You can see the 01:35:23
clubhouse right here. A little back story on this. This is property. It's in between two pedestrian trails and then the lake. And 01:35:30
this was an area that was supposed to be engineered and landscaped by Edge Homes when they built this neighborhood. 01:35:36
And, and frankly they failed to do so and the city went into a settled with them at some point last year, which allocated $900,000 01:35:43
to the city to fix the grading and drainage problems that we are facing over there as well as playing the sound landscape, but and 01:35:49
bring some small amenities to the area. So Madison Reeds are planning tech. She's been the one kind of leading out this project 01:35:55
and and our public engagement efforts on this and has done a great job on it. As of right now we've. 01:36:01
Sent out an RFS queue that's a request for statement of qualifications to get bids from engineering firms, landscape firms to 01:36:07
essentially say that they're qualified to work on a project like this. And there's essentially twofold as I mentioned, the grading 01:36:12
and drainage. If you ever go there, you'll notice that water can puddle up and lots of issues there and then the the landscaping 01:36:17
is is a very big issue with. 01:36:22
Giant weeds and dead grass and stuff like that. And so we wanted to try and tackle that and make this really a beautiful. 01:36:28
Base for those residents that live here as well as those that visit Lake. 01:36:34
So is all the area in red in the map, is that all city land or is there any part of that that's FFSL land and we are working with 01:36:38
them on it? 01:36:41
I see. And so they would have to give you permits to do whatever you want to do, correct? Yep. 01:36:45
And we are working with them on that right now because I'm not sure how much. 01:36:48
Disturbing of that. 01:36:51
Land they're going to allow and that that's we're not, we're not disturbing. Like I said, the amenities we're talking about is 01:36:53
maybe a restroom, some benches, A potentially a sand volleyball court that we got a grant for. 01:36:58
And we are working hand in hand with FFSL to make sure that what we are proposing meets their standards and and moving forward to 01:37:03
that, we aren't going to do anything without their approval. We're not going to approve any kind of site plans or anything like 01:37:08
that and remove dirt until FFSL gives us the go ahead on it. 01:37:12
So I have right here you can kind of see the. 01:37:19
Yeah. I mean, and it's in their interest to maintain this, right? It's, it's a fire hazard, it's ugly. It's just going to be an 01:37:23
improvement for everybody. 01:37:27
And I know they have it. They like to keep things as natural as possible and so it would be disturbing all the natural foliage 01:37:32
there. 01:37:35
I mean. 01:37:38
And once again, we're going to go through that through all permitting, through all approvals. 01:37:39
Right. Absolutely. Absolutely. 01:37:45
Pretty regularly and it's just dead. 01:37:48
You're right. The winter time is dead. You're right. 01:37:51
Even in the spring, it's dirt. 01:37:53
I mean, you see this picture right here, This is what it looks like. It's, it's ugly. It's it's an issue. 01:37:55
And and we're not like I said, we aren't at all proposing to build this, you know, do this huge landscaping plan here. It's very 01:38:00
minimal what we're proposing, OK. 01:38:05
So here we did a town hall where we sent out a survey to residents. We held a town hall at the clubhouse. 01:38:12
We fired the entire lakefront neighborhood, said hey, we want to hear your input. What do you want to see right here? As you can 01:38:18
see, very, very minimal type of uses. 01:38:23
Open field space FFSL as opposed to just having big turf. 01:38:27
Field, So we can't really do that, but we could do native vegetation. 01:38:31
Yeah, the small ones. 01:38:35
Outdoor gym equipment potentially, as I mentioned, sand volleyball court, potentially like a disc golf court. All very minimal 01:38:38
impact to the area, but an improvement. 01:38:42
And as well as some safety features right there, you can see that that that area could definitely use some improved lighting. We 01:38:50
want to be sensitive of the neighboring residential. 01:38:53
But but that and then just make making sure that that trail made is is maintained. 01:38:57
You can see here the photos where we had some poster boards. We talked to a lot of residents there had great. 01:39:01
Great feedback at that meeting. 01:39:06
And then we also did an online survey as well where we pulled everybody in the city. I think it went out on all of our social 01:39:09
media channels. Just asking what is your input on on what we do in this this area? 01:39:14
So right now as I mentioned, we're just, we're reviewing all the statements for qualifications that we've received. Once we have 01:39:20
those, I believe the. 01:39:25
The process is to go to City Council for approval of a contract with one of these firms that we feel is the most adequate to. 01:39:29
Handle this, this project, Tucker Park. I don't want to get too into the weeds on. I know you guys dealt a whole lot on that last 01:39:37
week. 01:39:40
We just wanted to, you know, let you know that this is still a project that planning is working on and continues to be on our 01:39:43
radar of what we can do to provide some open space, green space for the residents of Tucker Row. 01:39:48
This is the Rachel. Our planner is the one who drew up this. 01:39:54
Draft site plan. 01:39:58
Is there a dog parking there? 01:40:00
But yet, potential dog park. 01:40:02
Where, Whereabouts were these? The brown space right there? 01:40:04
OK. Thank you. 01:40:07
Yeah, an economic development strategic plan. This is one that we've worked on over the past probably 2 years. 01:40:11
We have about $35,000 unspent that we're not going to use that. This is a document I don't want to get tuned to the weeds on right 01:40:17
now. It's ready for adoption. I will send it your way for review. This essentially just paints a picture of what does Vineyard 01:40:21
look like. 01:40:25
Economic wise, over the next 10 years, it we, we, we worked really closely with a firm called Leland Consulting. They did a retail 01:40:29
leakage analysis essentially saying where is money from Vineyard leaving the city, right, We want to try and capture. 01:40:36
Every penny that residents and vineyards are spending in Orem or Probe or whatever, we want them to spend that money here because 01:40:42
that helps. 01:40:45
Improve our city. 01:40:48
So that's a very important part of this document as well as it outlines a lot of strategies and goals of things that we can do. 01:40:49
Parker's mentioning kind of what is our outreach and this document outlines what can staff do better at outreach, what are the 01:40:54
targeted industries? 01:40:58
That that we can go talk to now that we can say we have Huntsman Cancer Institute coming now what you know, pharmaceutical 01:41:03
companies or laundromat like what are these services? 01:41:07
That are ancillary 2 Huntsmen that we can now target. 01:41:11
I'll send this out and you guys can review. I'd be happy to meet with any of you one-on-one or do a work session at council and go 01:41:15
over this but. 01:41:18
We're ready for adoption. 01:41:22
But I definitely want your input on it before and make any final edits before we do approve it. 01:41:24
This is. 01:41:30
That we've placed on hold. It's the Vineyard Connector overpass mural. It's a giant concrete wall. 01:41:32
The perspective you're looking at is kind of the dead end of Lakefront. 01:41:38
Neighborhood. 01:41:41
Essentially, we brought this up because we know that. 01:41:43
Blank concrete walls can attract a lot of graffiti if you've ever been to the underpass. 01:41:45
That takes you from the Tucker Rd. to the train station. 01:41:51
Constant graffiti problems there. We want to make sure that this area isn't really ugly for the lake. 01:41:54
Lakefront residents and cash just this. 01:41:59
The wall would be extending off of here, so the wall comes. 01:42:02
Will come quite a bit further. So this just shows what UDOT built. Yeah, yeah. 01:42:05
So is that circle on the? 01:42:10
Our left side is that. 01:42:13
Realistic. No. 01:42:15
How much bigger would you be? 01:42:16
I I don't know. I. 01:42:19
We have that rough plan that the Block 6 showed. I just wanted to show that that's where the roundabout ends. 01:42:21
Later. OK, I was going to say I can quickly find it if you want. 01:42:27
So once again, we had budgeted $45,000 for this, but the bridge isn't going to be completed so. 01:42:33
We are, you know, this is maybe the next two to 3-4 years that the council can kind of navigate this again and see if that's 01:42:38
something that they're interested in. We can, you know, see if graffiti does does become a problem. But we, we definitely want to 01:42:42
stay ahead of that if we can. 01:42:47
The rental program. I know this is another thing that the Council has talked quite a bit about in previous Council meetings. 01:42:53
Essentially this is something that Marie and I have been working on creating. It would be essentially a business license that all 01:42:59
property owners that rent their properties have to obtain. 01:43:04
And there are state law that mandates what what we can and can't do with this. And so we're making sure that that whatever we do 01:43:09
falls in line with that. We've drafted an ordinance that is ready for legal review. 01:43:14
That essentially, you know, we just want to make sure our legal team can verify that this meets state law but after that we. 01:43:20
We definitely want to have some public input here. We know that this could be a controversial matter as we do have a lot of 01:43:27
rentals in the city and we do want to hear from from as many people as we can on this. I have done some outreach to to some 01:43:33
landlords in the area to kind of gauge there and put on it. And a lot of them said it's kind of standard practice that that if 01:43:38
they have properties in Provo or ORM or whatever, they've had to get a license. It's it's not out of the ordinary. 01:43:44
So. 01:43:50
Creating a road map kind of how do we communicate this? How do we get public engagement on this? 01:43:51
We have this draft map as I show here that this map. 01:43:57
Cash. Yeah. You know how many? 01:44:00
Rental units we have. 01:44:02
By percentage compared to total volume of homes or residents, I would say we are probably 60% rentals. 01:44:04
I I haven't. 01:44:11
If you want, I'd be happy to come to a work session at a council meeting. I was just curious because I I have every neighborhood 01:44:12
broken down. The hard thing is is we don't know for sure what is a rental or not. What you see here on this map is essentially I 01:44:16
got. 01:44:20
All the records of properties. 01:44:24
In Vineyard. 01:44:25
And. 01:44:26
I sorted it by name, and if the name had an LLC, I assumed that could potentially be a rental. If the name had a mailing address 01:44:27
based out of Alpine, I assumed that could be a rental, right? If it's a duplicate value, so say if Morgan had two houses here in 01:44:32
Vineyard, I assumed one of them was a rental. Was. 01:44:36
Can't really have. 01:44:42
Two houses and live in both, right? So there's a lot of assumptions on this map. 01:44:42
But through those assumptions, I've shown that we're. 01:44:47
Were roughly 50 to 60% rental in the city. Some neighborhoods as you can see on the North End like the the Preserve and Lakefront 01:44:50
very high Locks and Tucker Rd. those are above 90% rentals. 01:44:55
So just a very, very high number benefits of this program is we can finally do it would just help with our enforcement with 01:45:01
occupancy when we get a complaint, we don't really have a mechanism to do inspections. Can you detail that how does it actually 01:45:07
help with enforcement? Because I guess the the problem that I have in my mind with it right now is similarly to. 01:45:13
Current code enforcement of fines. Unless there's a good legal mechanism and process in place to enforce it, there's no teeth 01:45:20
behind the program. 01:45:23
Yeah. So essentially what what would happen is if you did have a rental that that was out of compliance, we'd come request to do 01:45:27
an inspection. 01:45:30
If they deny that, then we just have to go work with our legal team. 01:45:34
And it's unfortunate. It's just, it's very hard, you know, I. 01:45:37
Heard at the last council meeting. There's a lot of talk of eviction. That's very hard for a city, especially our staff our size, 01:45:41
to handle anything like that. 01:45:45
And that this would not touch eviction, this would just be requiring a business license. And if if they fail to comply, we can 01:45:49
revoke their business license and that. 01:45:52
Can then be there can be associated fees with that. 01:45:55
And I would say that that's the main thing too, is is. 01:45:59
Requiring the permit, the permit gives the city the ability to to do do the inspections, whereas you're basically having to to 01:46:02
request to do an inspection before. It also gives you a kind of an inventory for for like what, what the impact is going to be for 01:46:08
each unit. So it helps you just be more organized from a city, city end. So it's just the hypothetical for for learning sake. I'm 01:46:14
happy to ask stupid questions and I like it. 01:46:20
So let's say I have a rental. 01:46:28
I don't get a. 01:46:30
A rental program. 01:46:32
Permit. 01:46:34
What happened? 01:46:36
Yeah, that's a great question. I went and interviewed, talked with the the person in Orem who who managed their program. It's 01:46:37
actually their finance director fell and their finance team for whatever reason. 01:46:42
But but they essentially said they, they believe they're probably 60% compliance. They know that there's lots of properties out 01:46:48
there that that don't have a license and they just work off of a complaint basis. There's very little we can do. 01:46:53
To force people to get a business license. But if we do get a complaint, you know, say you do have a rental, I would reach out to 01:46:58
you. Hey, Parker. 01:47:01
You know, we, we know you have this property here. 01:47:04
We believe this is a rental. If so, you do need to get a license. Here's our evidence we have. 01:47:06
You know, all this showing that somebody else lives there and it's not you. 01:47:12
Is there anything that you can? 01:47:15
Refute that with if not. 01:47:17
We are going to require your data license. If you don't then we are going to associate your. 01:47:18
Issue fines. 01:47:22
To you. 01:47:24
Yeah, I guess my. 01:47:25
And this is just we need to work with. 01:47:26
Legal. 01:47:29
Absolutely. I find the resident then and I say. 01:47:30
I'm not even going to answer that e-mail. 01:47:33
At that point, we at that point, we'd assumed that you were out of compliance and we would just issue the violation. But once 01:47:35
again, working very close with our legal team, we want to make sure what we're doing is, is, you know, according to state law and 01:47:39
our law. 01:47:43
We don't want to get any hot trouble and mostly most of all, we just want compliance. 01:47:48
And these are great questions and. 01:47:52
We probably should do more research with Provo and Orem because they have those set up. I know Cash and Maria have talked with 01:47:54
them, but specifically we could ask them like I'm the code enforcement end of things. Just one last what, what if question to help 01:47:59
me sort of understand it best. 01:48:04
So if we have a. 01:48:10
Someone who comes in and buys a home. 01:48:12
This here's a scenario some of guys. 01:48:15
You know, I've got a student. 01:48:18
Then I got some UVU here and I live in California. 01:48:19
I come, I come by this as an investment. So I have my placement, my students who live and and then they can put roommates in with 01:48:21
them and so forth and helps. 01:48:26
What would the student is the student like your son? Yeah, son or daughter, whatever you know. And anyway, you bring other other 01:48:30
people in with them. 01:48:33
And that's. 01:48:36
And you don't, you don't register with this the city. 01:48:38
And so. 01:48:40
But they're but you're out of your. You put in my 5 or 6 people there. We've definitely seen that before. 01:48:41
And and so. 01:48:46
What mechanism we have to find them so? 01:48:48
So correct, I asked warm that once again and they said if. 01:48:51
A license is required if the name of whoever's living there is not on the the loan or the the ownership of the home. So if it's 01:48:55
the son living there and the son and the father created an LLC or whatever and they're both on it. 01:49:00
They're fine. 01:49:06
Right. But if not, then they do have to get that license. 01:49:07
OK, well, fine. So. 01:49:09
Occupied, then it's correct. 01:49:12
Correct. 01:49:14
OK, but. 01:49:15
So four or five years down the line, Sons graduated. 01:49:17
I'm still, I still have my investment there. 01:49:20
Then once we get a complaint that the property is being rented out, will. 01:49:22
Issue of violation we posted. 01:49:25
A piece of paper on the door saying this. 01:49:27
Properties in violation. We send them letters, we send them certified mail. We have lots of way of reaching out and and generally 01:49:29
something like that is enough to scare the tenants to do something about it. 01:49:34
But if I live in California. 01:49:38
You can't reach me. And at that point we'd work with legal to put a lien on the home or whatever it may be and the point of sale 01:49:40
of the home. There might be $10,000 of fines that they have to. 01:49:44
To pay the city. 01:49:48
I mean, you're, you're always going to have the like, like Cash said, it's about 95% voluntary compliance. People will just 01:49:48
follow. But you, I mean, you always have the problematic ones that will work with the police and the city attorney and they're 01:49:54
just kind of a headache. But typically we do see. 01:49:59
Voluntary. So passing a lien is probably the only T3 we really have. 01:50:05
I was just. OK that helps, thanks. 01:50:09
Yeah. And talking with ORM, I don't believe that. 01:50:12
That they even mentioned the word eviction that they they do not do any of that. 01:50:14
As far as the rental program there goes. 01:50:18
And I just think that's a sticky business I don't think Vineyard right now wants to get into. 01:50:21
Agree. 01:50:26
Did he have something, Ezra? 01:50:29
Yeah, yeah. So yeah, the whole eviction conversation that's going to be. 01:50:31
Problematic not only from a. 01:50:35
Make law level, but federal law. 01:50:37
Yeah, it kind of goes back to that chart and really it comes down to how much. 01:50:40
We want to invest in. 01:50:45
The resources, the people that are going to be implementing us, so I think. 01:50:47
You know, we talked about. 01:50:50
Code enforcement officers and having. 01:50:52
Have a mission with team that would. 01:50:54
This parking by all those kind of things. 01:50:56
If you have a team that's in place, I can follow up and do more of that. 01:50:59
Like basically not just send a letter and then never have time to follow up on it. 01:51:03
You'll see a lot more compliance. 01:51:07
We have this as a regular. 01:51:09
Our operation offensive direction that. 01:51:11
That we're gonna go so. 01:51:13
It kinda just goes back to that chart of once once the fines get excessive enough. 01:51:14
That can become. 01:51:18
Whole thing that's over. 01:51:22
The Justice Court. 01:51:23
So one thing to note with this is we are conducting a disproportionate. 01:51:26
Service fee study that will relate to this we've talked about what would the license of this like this cost. We've benchmarked 01:51:31
everywhere in the state that we could find. They range anywhere from like $25 up to like $350.00 in some areas. 01:51:38
I don't want to be the one to come up with that number. And so we've been working with design Public Finance on another topic, but 01:51:45
also on this to figure out what's a fair cost for that fee. Essentially, what is the disproportionate fee to the city that these 01:51:50
rentals are costing us? 01:51:55
So speaking, which next slide is that just? 01:52:01
Oh, and just. 01:52:05
As you guys are working through that study, I have to share my opinion on. 01:52:07
I would love to see. 01:52:10
Kind of scaled on the impact. 01:52:14
So if it's like if you've got. 01:52:15
You know, homeowner. 01:52:17
Family living there. 01:52:18
They're renting out their basement. 01:52:19
To, you know, one person or two people. 01:52:21
And the field somehow. 01:52:24
The fee somehow captures. 01:52:26
The potential for. 01:52:27
New sensor violations, I think. I think that would be as fair as. 01:52:29
Yeah. So the unique thing about the disproportionate service fee is. 01:52:34
The study has to be. 01:52:37
Collected from data or used data that is collected from your ******. So one Rd. block we're running into is they want a year of 01:52:39
data for police or fire calls. So something like a hotel. We just opened up this Lavoie Suites. We were worried that this might 01:52:44
have a big impact on our public safety. 01:52:49
Unfortunately, because it's only been up. 01:52:54
Open for. 01:52:56
A few months now they can't include that in the study because they don't have enough data to show. 01:52:57
How much impact does this have? But something like Maverick does right where where it's been around for a long time, we can say. 01:53:01
X amount of police calls and. 01:53:07
Medical calls are related to this maverick. Their business license is now going to cost X amount more than right now. I think it's 01:53:08
$25 for renewal, right? 01:53:13
When in some areas a convenience store that sells liquor might be like $5000 for a business license. 01:53:17
Because of the increased. 01:53:23
Cost of public safety. 01:53:24
That that business brings to the city. 01:53:26
And so that being said, with the. 01:53:30
Going back to the rental program, it might be hard for them. 01:53:33
Looking at our data to essentially say what type of impact do these rentals have when we have a big variety of rentals, whether 01:53:36
it's Adus, whether it's multiple families living in one unit, whether it's, you know, whatever it may be, it might be hard to 01:53:41
differentiate that, but. 01:53:46
We'll see if we can get that data from. 01:53:51
Design Public finance. 01:53:54
So what is the basis for for you? 01:53:55
Go ahead. 01:53:58
All I was going to say is if they can't get that data. 01:54:00
I'll just signal to my other council members now that this is a work session that I would be. 01:54:03
Highly in favor of trying to have some sort of. 01:54:08
Like different. 01:54:10
Stories for business lines and I. 01:54:11
Are the same impact on the city? 01:54:14
We can obviously vote for for whatever fees. Yeah, I totally agree. 01:54:17
So anything that kind of. 01:54:22
Captures that that's just kind of where my heads at as we're thinking about this. 01:54:23
This is a question that Ezra's comment just actually brought up for me. 01:54:27
I understand. 01:54:31
That in state code. 01:54:32
There are protections. 01:54:35
For businesses that operate out of a home. 01:54:36
For example, if you operate out of your home. 01:54:40
And you primarily do business online. You don't sell physical products. You're not required to get a municipal business license, 01:54:42
correct? 01:54:45
I would maybe. 01:54:51
Think that we need to look into that because I would. 01:54:52
Assume. 01:54:54
That, depending on how that is written, it would actually protect somebody who's just renting the property. 01:54:56
Because there's not a tangible asset exchange. So so there there's specific there is specific state code regarding rental 01:55:00
properties and the requirement for a landlord license. 01:55:05
And as I said. 01:55:11
Probably I've. 01:55:12
Researched a dozen different cities that have. 01:55:14
A landlord license that requires this? Yeah. So I know they exist like I've talked to. 01:55:16
About theirs, I've talked to ORM about theirs a little bit, so I'm. 01:55:21
Gaining familiarity and I'm just curious about how those things. 01:55:24
Are written. 01:55:27
Sure, sure. Making sure that it's compliant, yeah. And once again, that's why we are very grateful to have legal review on all of 01:55:29
these matters to make sure we're compliant with state code. 01:55:33
So finishing up with the disproportionate service fee. 01:55:40
As I mentioned, we've contracted resigns. Public finance data collection is currently underway. I've been working hand in hand 01:55:44
with Kelly. 01:55:47
On We've had to analyze a lot of stuff with our businesses. We've had to work closely with Holden in the Sheriff's Office as well 01:55:50
as warm fire, as well as all the schools in the area. We've worked with all the elementary schools and the. 01:55:56
Sorry, that's actually for the next one, but. 01:56:02
Essentially we're sending that data once we have that data a month out. 01:56:05
We should hopefully have what this fee would look like and then we'd have that for the council to adopt and, and you can adopt A 01:56:08
certain percentage, it might come back with a crazy amount for these businesses. But if you want to say, hey, we're business 01:56:12
friendly. We don't want to charge hotels X amount. We're going to just say we're going to. 01:56:17
Except 50% of the disproportionate service fee or whatever it may be. 01:56:23
One more aspect about this too in bottom even some time. 01:56:27
I don't know how to address this, and maybe there's not a way to do it to address it. 01:56:31
You know, the state is telling us that we have a housing crisis, and the crisis we have is not necessarily that we need more. 01:56:35
Low cost apartments. 01:56:40
Type housing. 01:56:42
Rather we need we need to entry level. 01:56:43
Homeownership. Sure. 01:56:45
And so. 01:56:47
What what bothers me is it. 01:56:48
We have a lot of. 01:56:49
Entry level homes. 01:56:51
In our city. 01:56:53
Well, we have probably a larger. 01:56:54
Concentration in other places. 01:56:56
And. 01:56:58
They're they're being bought by investors and absolutely. 01:56:59
And and yet we have, you know, Utah cities are as building apartments, and they're having trouble filling them. 01:57:01
How do we how do we get the singles? 01:57:07
Where we want the singles. 01:57:08
Essentially it's through mechanisms like parking, unfortunately, if you can restrict parking and that deincentivize the the 01:57:10
structure for rentals, right. If I own a condo in lakefront that has three bedrooms and I could fit a fourth person in that in 01:57:15
that master bedroom. 01:57:20
I can collect, you know. 01:57:26
$500 per person. I'm bringing in $2000 a month on my. 01:57:27
$1000 mortgage but if we can restrict that parking, say hey you only have two parking stalls. 01:57:30
You know that then. 01:57:35
Perfect example, my wife and I, we live in the preserve we have. 01:57:37
Three technically 3 parking stalls. It's perfect for us, right? It was a perfect entry level home for us. It's been great. We have 01:57:40
adequate parking for our needs. 01:57:43
But that's But if you have a free for all on parking, investors come in and say hey, you can park wherever you want. 01:57:48
There's really no constraints there, right? And so that's always been the city's response with parking is that is right now the 01:57:54
only mechanism we have to control occupancy is parking. But now this landlord program will hopefully take that burden off where 01:57:58
now we can do these inspections on some of these townhomes and condos say hey, you are over occupied, you need to come into 01:58:03
compliance and that. 01:58:07
You know, in a few years might bring in more. 01:58:12
Owner, owner occupancy rather than outside investors. But unfortunately it's the system we live in where real estate is an 01:58:16
investment and people will buy it up and there's very little the city can do to to stop that from happening. Some developments as 01:58:21
we'll go into they've. 01:58:26
We can work it out with the developer that they will retain for or they will only sell to first time home buyers or something like 01:58:32
that. There are certain mechanisms you can do early on. 01:58:37
But uh. 01:58:42
And, and I believe there was talks with with Lakefront when it was originally proposed to do that, but it's up to the HOA and the 01:58:43
the developer to sell those properties that way and. 01:58:47
Once the developments built the city. 01:58:51
Hands are pretty tight on what they can do. 01:58:53
The. 01:58:59
All that, yeah. 01:59:02
You know we're fine. 01:59:03
Statewide, we had a huge. 01:59:04
Shortage rentals. 01:59:05
We're only having 2 to 3% vacancy and rental statewide. 01:59:07
And now with the reason booming, a lot more high density units being built statewide. 01:59:11
We can get onto a normal vacancy level and a rental units. 01:59:17
Again, this is statewide data. 01:59:21
But. 01:59:22
Actually come down over the past two years where home prices still haven't. 01:59:24
And so the more that we can, you know. 01:59:28
From a video perspective, kind of looking at just our local economy. 01:59:31
Anything we can do to lower? 01:59:34
Rental cost. 01:59:36
Will eventually make it impossible to. 01:59:37
One time possible it was deincentivized renting out homes. 01:59:40
If we get enough rental units to kind of make up for that. 01:59:45
Ezra can. 01:59:48
I think you misspoke and it just. 01:59:52
I'm confused now. 01:59:55
If you lower. 01:59:57
Rental cost. 01:59:59
You aren't disincentivizing rentals, you're incentivizing rentals. 02:00:00
Was that what were you trying to say there? 02:00:05
So by building more like. 02:00:08
Traditional rental units, so so the more apartments, the more town halls, the more properties that are. 02:00:10
Are more suited for rentals. 02:00:15
The more that those costs are going to go down, correct? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. More supply, less demand, but that's not 02:00:17
disincentivizing rental. 02:00:21
Yeah, so the home. 02:00:26
You know that's where. 02:00:28
Those the people that are currently renting a home because it's cheaper to do 500 per bedroom and get. 02:00:30
You know, a little chunk out of the single family home and that's a nicer. 02:00:36
Weather, environment. If you get the rentals to mention me like hey we can offer a 2 bedroom rental unit. 02:00:40
For the same prices. 02:00:43
You know, one one bedroom out of a single family home. 02:00:45
That's when the market will start to kind of correct. 02:00:48
Get people out of those units that are built more for. 02:00:51
Families. 02:00:54
You know the right size. 02:00:55
Of that because people like. 02:00:57
You would assume people would rather have their own space if the price made sense. 02:00:59
Versus sharing with four strangers. 02:01:03
I think that you're. 02:01:06
Probably. 02:01:08
80% correct. 02:01:09
But the point that David. 02:01:11
Was just making a moment ago though. 02:01:13
Is the nuance right? Supply and demand in a market isn't. 02:01:15
Strictly. 02:01:19
Don't. It's not applicable to all housing units at once. 02:01:20
Right, because people are in the market for different types of housing. 02:01:24
So you're always going to have the subsection of people that prefer the single family home and that's what they seek. 02:01:28
Over. 02:01:34
The apartments, it doesn't matter how many apartments you build, those people are not going to choose to move into an apartment 02:01:35
because that's not what they're actually in the market for. That's not what they demand. 02:01:39
Yeah, I I agree. So on a large scale, I was just saying on a large scale. 02:01:46
The more the more housing units you build in general. 02:01:50
Will help to right size the problem because eventually you'll hit a point. 02:01:54
Where the right? 02:01:58
Units become more attractive than the single family homes. 02:01:59
For the people that are currently renting. 02:02:02
Family homes on an individual basis. 02:02:05
And so like, like people. 02:02:07
Stay wide or like why are we building so many apartments? The apartments are. 02:02:10
Like not need it because that's not. 02:02:14
Yeah, we're trying to get more single family homes. 02:02:16
But the more apartments you build. 02:02:18
Eventually, that's going to bring a. 02:02:20
Cost of the apartments down. 02:02:22
Where people like. 02:02:24
Half of you know when we. 02:02:25
Half of these neighborhoods that have perfectly good single family homes. 02:02:27
If we can get that existing supply of single family homes. 02:02:30
Two single families by. 02:02:33
Making it more attract. 02:02:35
For single people to go and get the rentals instead. 02:02:37
For the apartments or the town home units that are more designed for rentals instead. 02:02:40
That's when you'll start to see. 02:02:44
By creating apartments can actually help the supply of single family homes. 02:02:46
Yeah, this is this is true. 02:02:52
You just have to. 02:02:54
Incentivize them so much through so much supply that they are essentially so much cheaper. 02:02:55
That someone would. 02:03:01
Choose to sacrifice what they actually want for the. 02:03:02
Apartment or the condo? 02:03:06
It's the economic theory of competing goods. 02:03:07
Yeah. And again, that's not going to be a problem that Vineyard on its own can solve. 02:03:12
My vineyard has done more than its fair share of. 02:03:16
Of building multi family housing. 02:03:20
And so that's where. 02:03:22
Like the rest of the state continuing to. 02:03:24
To become a more. 02:03:26
Would like to continue to just meet the needs of the market like. 02:03:27
Any development is going to help. 02:03:30
Lower the cost of housing. 02:03:32
As a whole, but it's going to take years. 02:03:34
Years to to try to catch up and so just. 02:03:36
Just like having government incentives to build single family homes is not going to solve the problem. 02:03:39
Nearly as quickly as just. 02:03:44
Focusing on increasing the supply. 02:03:45
It's more of just me. 02:03:47
And the pontificating about the philosophical nature of housing development being. 02:03:49
Different communities not. 02:03:55
Doing what Vineyard has done to. 02:03:57
To try to help the problem. 02:03:59
And maybe maybe I mean conversation to. 02:04:02
Have at another work session or. 02:04:04
I don't know if we'll go over it later in this. 02:04:07
But then you run into the conversation about. 02:04:10
What's the actual growth? 02:04:14
Goal for Vineyard as a whole moving forward and is it just? 02:04:16
Keep building units, keep building units trying to drop the price, because the more you do that, the more. 02:04:20
Inefficient you become if you're just growing for growth sake. 02:04:25
So anyways, separate thought, but maybe we talk about that another time. 02:04:28
Yeah. I don't want to keep you guys longer than what this meeting was was scheduled for. Have quite a few slides here to get 02:04:32
through current planning projects, get you up to speed on where we're at with developments. A lot of these are some pretty 02:04:37
exciting projects that we're working on just to give a brief overview. 02:04:42
This is kind of the review process of when somebody who owns buys a piece of land and they want to develop it, here's what they 02:04:47
have to go through. Everything you see in green, that's the plan the the community development team, owning that application, 02:04:52
taking it through and and getting it to a building permit level. 02:04:58
This is a lot more detailed. 02:05:04
Kind of give you an idea of those. Once again, we'll send you these slides so you can have this, but this gives like how long 02:05:06
these applications are active for and whatnot. 02:05:10
Here's a list of these applications. I won't say too long on here because we have. 02:05:14
The next slide I go into detail on each one of these. We have the forge in Intermountain Healthcare. It's 44 acres, 10 acres is 02:05:19
is. 02:05:22
Essentially going to be owned by in around healthcare. They only own 5 there. 02:05:26
Working on on purchasing that northeast corner and and we'll be going through development agreement amendment here in the next few 02:05:29
months. 02:05:33
The the forge itself 100 units for how many square feet of commercial. 02:05:37
Do you remember? 02:05:43
That first phase would be 40,040 thousand square feet of entertainment and commercial up in the top right. Yeah. 02:05:44
They're, they're also going to be coming through the development agreement amendment essentially right now they're they're. 02:05:51
Code their their agreement requires an entertainment anchor to be built very first before they can build any retail, commercial or 02:05:56
residential. They're having a hard time landing that anchor, so they're saying let's reserve this block right here that I have 02:06:01
labeled for entertainment and let us build the commercial space in the residential. 02:06:06
And as that builds out, we will then start on, you know, reapproaching some of these entertainment uses. 02:06:12
One acre park being dedicated to the city. Right by top goal there this part. 02:06:19
The X. 02:06:23
Does X development still? 02:06:24
Own that. No, this is all Dakota Pacific real estate. Gotcha. 02:06:26
So. 02:06:30
Hold away field. 02:06:32
Anthony's baby here. 02:06:33
All right, so the holdover fields development is also under. 02:06:35
A development agreement and. 02:06:39
We're looking to have about 295. 02:06:41
Single family units come in there in the development agreement. We're able to land 3 parks. 02:06:44
You know, for this development, it will be coming in as well. I mean the development comes with. 02:06:51
An age restricted you know neighborhood as well which would come with. 02:06:56
Senior housing clubhouse with some amenities. 02:07:02
They would also, as part of the development agreement, need to connect into the existing. 02:07:06
City system, be it roads, utilities and trails. 02:07:11
As it stands now, we have just a few buildings. 02:07:16
Built and we. 02:07:20
These are the parks that. 02:07:22
I have been negotiated in to give you better. 02:07:24
Visualization. This is how it's been spread out in the entire development. 02:07:27
For orientation. 02:07:31
This E park here. 02:07:33
Has. 02:07:35
This is how it looks right now, and it is an opportunity for you to decide. 02:07:37
On if you want to keep some historic structures there, the previous council had, you know, expressed some interest in keeping some 02:07:41
of these silos as part of. 02:07:46
A park design or some way just to tell a history of the city in that area? 02:07:51
We have. 02:07:58
An application in for an amendment of the development agreement, which essentially is requesting to have a lot of the faces moved 02:07:59
around in a way that. 02:08:04
Allows them to keep progressing easier according to the market. 02:08:10
Based on analysis that the developer has presented so far. 02:08:14
I'll turn it over to cash at this point. 02:08:21
Morgan already brushed up on these ones either live work units just South of the Center St. overpass kind of give you a visual of 02:08:23
what they look like. They're the ones with the the retail commercial component on the ground floor. They there are relatively like 02:08:27
small commercial spaces. 02:08:31
Great. Great incubator space and as he mentioned, great to build a good relationship with each of these users. Kelly's working 02:08:36
closely with the the developer there as well as other communities to understand how do we properly license these. 02:08:42
And they all have these little central. 02:08:48
Courtyards that will just be really great amenity to the community. 02:08:50
And they they will be a part of the Orchards development, so they'll have access to their clubhouse as well as all the street 02:08:54
parking there on Vineyard Rd. 02:08:57
This is Ms. Properties, so this is the corner of 1600 N and Geneva Rd. As Morgan mentioned, this is 1,000,000 square feet of flex 02:09:03
office industrial space as well as 17,000 square feet of office space. It's a major, major player in the valley that's wanting to 02:09:08
relocate their headquarters here to Vineyard. This would be an awesome opportunity for the city where, you know, each, each one of 02:09:13
these parking spaces is somebody coming to work and, and hopefully going to our shops, eating at our restaurants, whatever it may 02:09:18
be, living in our community. 02:09:23
And so we're very eager to get moving on this one. It's very much on the preliminary stages. We're working with the developer on a 02:09:29
traffic impact study. As you can imagine, this would have a big impact on our roadway network, especially the 1600 N and Geneva 02:09:35
Rd. light. I don't know if you've ever seen the traffic there, but it can back up quite a bit. 02:09:40
So we're working with them on that, but but awesome, awesome opportunity. And then in the top right, you'll see it's labeled 02:09:46
Ironwood. 02:09:50
That's another office building that they are. 02:09:53
Taking through the site plan process, they have intended for a medical user in the area. However medical is not permitted and so 02:09:56
they will have to go through zoning text amendment to change for that use to allow for medical use in in that zone. 02:10:02
Utah City downtown, we could probably schedule a whole 2 1/2 hour meeting to talk about this development with everything going on 02:10:10
there. I have a very simple graphic here showing kind of where we're at in development there. The green is that promenade space 02:10:14
red. 02:10:18
Squares are constructed in open buildings. 02:10:23
Gray is parking, blue is under construction, and then Orange is going through the site plan process. 02:10:26
So some exciting things. We do have a. 02:10:33
The Utah City Racket Club will be opening up this spring, as well as Block 5 of the park. Finney's Pizza and Cafe will also be 02:10:35
opening up right next to Bella's Market, which will be a great restaurant. 02:10:41
And they recently just went through and got approval for some of these large restaurant and then ten kind of small shops around it 02:10:47
that would be located in Block 4 of the Promenade or the Green Line. 02:10:53
And then in purple, you have Huntsman Cancer Institute. I don't know if there's any questions specifically on this. I'm sure you 02:10:59
guys are all pretty aware of this project, but happy to go over that. But here's some numbers that they're proposing or they're 02:11:04
predicting for this development in the in the future. 02:11:09
I have to see the 17,000. 02:11:17
Residential units that are part of the HTRZ. 02:11:19
So that's just within the square footage here. 02:11:23
And just the parts that are colored. 02:11:26
So that everything that you see in blue, that that's what's under construction, that's included some of those units right now, I 02:11:29
think we're 500 or something like that. Units between block 5 and block 6, as far as how much they build, that's all dictated 02:11:33
according to the code that they do have some density requirements and some height limitations, but for the most part like near the 02:11:38
train station. 02:11:43
There is no height restrictions. I'd encourage you to read through that code or come sit down and meet with any of us planners. 02:11:48
We'd be happy to walk you through that code and and go over kind of what they they are allowed to build essentially what they're 02:11:53
hoping is with these. 02:11:57
Parking lots. As you can see, that takes a lot of their land right there. 02:12:02
They essentially in the next few years want to convert those to parking garages. Build on top of them. 02:12:05
But we do hold them to the the parking minimums for the area. 02:12:10
Are the that's all parking that is built? 02:12:14
So as you can see, 3132 parking stalls are currently under construction or built. One thing to bring to your attention with this 02:12:17
development is the parking study that will need to be taking place. In our code we have it at 500,025 and I think 5000 units. 02:12:24
Don't quote me on those numbers, but a parking study has to be taking place. 02:12:30
Where the city and the developer have to agree on a firm to essentially come out and analyze the parking for the area they're 02:12:37
going to look at. Are people who live in Utah City parking where they should be? Are they parking at Lakefront? Are they parking 02:12:41
at the train station? 02:12:44
Do we have enough parking? 02:12:48
What, what should those numbers be? And it's going to right size our code or right size of the parking. So that's something that 02:12:50
will be coming to the city councils purview in the next few months. We, we want to make sure that the code says 500 certificates 02:12:55
of occupancy, which they have, but we want to make sure that those units are actually occupied. So we actually understand what 02:13:01
that looks like. We don't want to undershell the actual situation there. 02:13:06
Can I ask? Yeah. 02:13:12
You know, something you and I had previously talked about was. 02:13:14
The actual code for parking stalls. 02:13:17
And you mentioned that this one is. 02:13:21
Following. 02:13:24
The code for the development, so I'm assuming that this one then has a different or a variance or something like that. 02:13:25
But I'm looking at that and I'm thinking, you know, if you add the 500 units that are already done. 02:13:31
You're well under, you know. 02:13:36
2 parking stalls per unit average. Can you explain what so the 18 seven that might be? 02:13:38
Included built not just under construction, but built or under construction. But yeah, so essentially I. 02:13:44
I'll send you a link to the code, but essentially it's calculus, right? It's it's yeah, we take number of bedrooms and I saw right 02:13:49
yeah, you get the subtraction for the bike and being correct the train station correct. I mean, there's I think the last time I 02:13:55
looked at that it came down to be something like. 02:14:00
They were only required to have. 02:14:05
8 stalls per. 02:14:07
Room, so it probably maybe at the maximum discount. 02:14:10
Right. That would be true. But but these buildings that we've built, I don't know the exact number, but I believe that they were 02:14:14
over 1.5 per. 02:14:17
That they were building and, and, and frankly, it's in there. It's in their best interest to provide adequate parking, right, If 02:14:21
they're having a hard time renting and they don't have adequate parking. 02:14:26
There's the occupancy per unit is a lot less. 02:15:01
And and and there's less parking problems, but the ones that don't have parking management, that's where we have all the issues. 02:15:04
Understood. 02:15:10
Thank you. 02:15:11
Here's the green line. As you can see the block 4, you can kind of see the retail component there. 02:15:14
We already. 02:15:19
Went over this in detail. 02:15:20
Huntsman cancer too they they do have a great website I could send you a link to it if you just search. Huntsman Cancer Institute 02:15:22
Vineyard you can you can get all the updates there. 02:15:26
Great information. But they're looking to be complete by the, I think the early summer of 2028 to have phase one of their project 02:15:30
complete, which is a really, really exciting opportunity for the city. 02:15:35
The yard this, you know, you're all very well aware of this development. You can see in the light blue boxes that's the 02:15:44
undeveloped partials. They still have 3 partials there that they've received approval for that they could construct. We haven't 02:15:49
heard anything from them as far as what they're wanting to do with those yet and then. 02:15:55
In the top that green box there, that's the the residential building that they do have approval on. 02:16:01
Haven't haven't heard from them in a minute on on that, but. 02:16:07
You know we we do have a great working relationship with ex dev. 02:16:10
And then I think right now there are three vacant. 02:16:16
Buildings that essentially, you know, one of those live work units, somebody could move into that. 02:16:19
We have bird development. This is one that. 02:16:25
Earlier this week on Hey, this is what we're thinking. 02:16:57
Let's analyze code. Make sure this meets. 02:17:00
And so. 02:17:02
That's kind of where we're at with that, if I. 02:17:03
We find that this meets code. 02:17:06
We're going to be happy to to work with the council on. 02:17:07
If this is what works in this area, they aren't proposing any housing or anything like that for the site. 02:17:10
I think this is the last side. 02:17:18
So ordinance updates, so this is something that we do periodically in our departments. We re examine our zoning code. We want to 02:17:20
make sure that. 02:17:24
The document itself is meeting. 02:17:27
World expectations with development or whatever at Parker. Great example is when you worked with me on the chickens right 02:17:30
Vineyard, you couldn't have chickens. 02:17:34
Huge egg crisis. They were costing so much. 02:17:38
Parker reached out saying hey. 02:17:40
Let's allow chickens in the city, right? So I worked with him in the council way back what in 2021 or something 20/22/2021 and and 02:17:41
now we allow chickens and so. 02:17:46
Essentially, we keep a running list of these ordinances that we're constantly wanting to update. And this is just feedback we want 02:17:51
to hear from the council. Is, is how often do you want to see these come before the council? Do you want this to be a quarterly 02:17:55
thing, a biannually thing? Like how often do you want to see these? Some of them, if it's an applicant initiated, we're going to 02:17:59
run it through the. 02:18:03
Process. 02:18:08
And it'll be faster, but you know, the ones that staff find. 02:18:09
You know, we're happy to work with the council on on. 02:18:12
Keeping that updated. 02:18:15
Are sexually oriented businesses and massage therapy specifically listed because they're not submitted under our code? So no those 02:18:16
we actually are ready. 02:18:20
We actually kind of need an answer from council and when you're ready to review that, Kelly's been working on updating our 02:18:24
ordinance on that. 02:18:27
And so. 02:18:31
That's one update we have ready to go. We could have it at council and. 02:18:31
After Republican notice it, what is that for or against? I mean are they so if I can so how how how how it works in state code? 02:18:35
You have to allow. 02:18:44
Though somewhere in your city. 02:18:45
And so if you, if you don't, if you don't say where they're allowed, then the then basically they can go wherever there's 02:18:47
commercial. And So what this code does is it. 02:18:51
Basically pigeonholes them. I think it's in the industrial district. Well, so that was the zoning code. This is a municipal code 02:18:56
that changes some some aspects. I'm not as familiar with it. OK, I was about to look at that. But I think it does like the the 02:19:00
definitions of stuff. But yeah, essentially it locks them into the industrial district. That's how the code is written now. Yeah. 02:19:05
And so that. 02:19:09
That was part of it, yeah. 02:19:14
So Kelly, I'll have her e-mail you guys out. She has kind of a handout on this about why, why we need to get this update in our 02:19:16
municipal code. This is one thing if it's municipal code, it doesn't go through Planning Commission. It just goes straight to the 02:19:22
council for review and adoption. And I believe she's had, she might have had the former attorney review it. She might want to, we 02:19:28
can have Jesse reviewed as well to make sure he has no problems with it as well. 02:19:33
And I think that's. 02:19:40
All that we have. So if there's any questions about anything we reviewed, we have. 02:19:42
12 minutes to spare so. 02:19:46
That the code. 02:19:48
The umm. 02:19:50
Sexually oriented business. 02:19:52
Code as soon as it's ready. Just you know. 02:19:53
Good on the agenda. OK, I'll, I'll instruct Kelly to work on that. It was thoroughly reviewed by the by the last attorney. So 02:19:56
maybe just have Jesse do a quick run through. Yeah, make sure, Yeah. So get it ready when it's all ready. 02:20:02
Put on the agenda, I don't think, I don't see anyone objecting to it. We just want to get advice from the council on on what you 02:20:08
like to see with this kind of stuff. 02:20:11
Will you e-mail that to us with the slides and everything? 02:20:16
The the whole presentation. 02:20:18
Or what? 02:20:20
Sorry. So there's a couple things. 02:20:21
You mentioned you'd e-mail us. 02:20:22
Let me slides. 02:20:24
Would you also e-mail the? 02:20:25
10 year economic development plan. 02:20:28
That you referenced in here and then. 02:20:30
Any of the proposed changes? 02:20:33
For code. 02:20:35
That you have including this, would you include in the e-mail? I don't know if we have any. I mean, there's some minor ones. So 02:20:37
for example, with the development review committee, it does say the city manager has a seat at that and the city manager is the 02:20:42
one who signs Platts. We kind of have a problem with that now. And so I've talked with Jesse and he said. 02:20:48
That right now the mayor can can handle that. And so we might want to make minor tweaks to the code like that, but right now we're 02:20:53
not. But we we and I think we have the ongoing. So they like the accessory structures. Yeah. But but we're not ready for that. 02:20:57
That's what I'm saying, yeah. 02:21:02
Yeah. 02:21:06
Are you involved at all in? 02:21:10
The creation or designation of impact fees. 02:21:15
Not necessarily. A lot of that actually is is handled by Naseem. So something like the the public safety master plan. 02:21:18
In order to have an impact fee, you have to have a master plan that it relates to in a study. So we handle the master plan. 02:21:24
Rachel, our planner, drafted. It all works. 02:21:28
Really well withholding on that. 02:21:32
Once we have that plan in place, that essentially outlines saying in the next 10. 02:21:35
20-30 years or whatever. Here's our needs. 02:21:38
And then we can work with a firm like Zions Public Finance to say. 02:21:41
If you're going to need X amount of officers or firemen, you're going to need. 02:21:44
X amount and impact fees. 02:21:49
OK, so. 02:21:50
We just kind of handle the first half of that and that's you know, one of the reasons why we do these these master plans is so 02:21:51
that we can have impact fees. 02:21:55
So can I just ask why? Why do we need to bring a firm in to? 02:21:58
Calculate how many. 02:22:02
But the fee should be. I'm not qualified to do that. 02:22:03
That's. I don't know if it seems to me it's a. 02:22:08
Yeah, I probably required by state law, I would imagine. So you have to have a third party do it 'cause I'm thinking. 02:22:11
You know it's math, right? 02:22:16
Yeah, that's a good point is, I mean, these fees are minimal. So for example, the the parks and rec master or impact fees is, I 02:22:24
want to say it's like $2500 per housing unit that gets built, right? That's not a small number. And so we want to be able to 02:22:30
defend where did we get that number from? We don't want it to be like cash to the planner. 02:22:35
Wrote down what he thinks this cost is going to be. We actually went to a firm that does this and, and you'll see signs well, 02:22:40
finance or LRB, many others do these studies for cities all throughout the states. It's a very common practice. They, they, I was 02:22:47
assigned, they do get challenged quite a bit too. So I spent 30 years of the psychometrician building tests that would be legally 02:22:53
defensible and so forth and figure out costs and so forth along with that and design things that hold up to scrutiny. 02:22:59
Seems to me that we. 02:23:06
It wasn't that hard. 02:23:07
I'm just, I'm surprised that we don't have that kind of. 02:23:08
Expertise here in the city. 02:23:12
I. 02:23:13
I'd be happy to provide some random number, but but I. 02:23:16
What 111 example of this David is is. 02:23:20
I is is the parking permit fee? Somebody asked me to calculate what would this be right? 02:23:22
And so I tried my best to calculate. Here's how much staff time is required. Here's the printing for these passes. Here's. 02:23:27
All of this that goes into this and people were upset with that number, right? 02:23:33
Because I showed this is what the cost of doing business is with the city, right? And so having an actual firm rather than just 02:23:36
some planner named cash doing it. 02:23:40
It's good to have a family for the legal child. The impact fees get challenged and once again, it's really outside of our scope of 02:23:44
work. It goes to to NASIM or others that handle that like the finance team. 02:23:49
I would be happy to help you with preliminary at least because I I do, I did statistical analysis for all these different things 02:23:54
and. 02:23:57
And so I'm familiar with the processes. 02:24:00
I think the argument. 02:24:03
David, if you're in part, you're part of the. 02:24:05
Sorry, as we're talking over each other. 02:24:08
You want to go ahead. 02:24:10
Oh, sorry. 02:24:13
I just not to mention it's cheaper these impact. 02:24:14
These studies, we have to do them. 02:24:16
Once every seven years in order to to charge index pay. 02:24:18
And so. 02:24:21
Having somebody on staff. 02:24:23
With expertise in each of these different fee areas. 02:24:24
And do these studies every seven years is just not. 02:24:28
I mean, you have to find somebody really good and pay them like a full time wage as opposed to just paying for a one time study 02:24:32
every seven years. So that that's another benefit too from a financial perspective. 02:24:37
I would have argued. 02:24:42
I would. 02:24:44
Argued or assumed that largely. 02:24:45
The legal defensibility of it comes from it being a third party, because if you're inside of the organization, of course you can 02:24:47
justify charging more easier. 02:24:52
If that makes sense. 02:24:57
So I think there might be some. 02:24:59
Legal necessity there to take it somewhere else. 02:25:01
And and frankly something like the the public safety impact fee that. 02:25:04
I think we have budgeted 15,000. I think that's right where Zion Public Finance came in on their bid. 02:25:07
That's going to be made-up. 02:25:12
It's so fast with these impact fees that we are able to charge. 02:25:14
Right. So essentially there is a small cost up front of it, but then in the end we are able to make up that fee. 02:25:18
Through the fee itself. 02:25:24
Thank you. 02:25:33
Ezra, Zach, do you guys have any? 02:25:35
Questions. 02:25:37
See if anybody texts. No, I'm all good. Thanks guys. 02:25:40
Cool. 02:25:45
Are you good, David? 02:25:46
Well, good. 02:25:48
I was going to say, David, I can show you the roundabout here. 02:25:49
I don't have a gavel, but can I? 02:25:52
We're officially ending this meeting at. 02:25:58
That's is the clock functional over there. 02:26:02
253. 02:26:05
That's good enough. 02:26:09
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David, do you want it? David Luray, do you mind or Parker do you guys? 00:09:06
Either of you 2 mind conducting the meeting? 00:09:09
So I sure do we have driving through a dead spot or whatnot OK with you guys. 00:09:11
You bet we can do that. 00:09:17
Sure. 00:09:20
So should we start? Awesome. Thank you. 00:09:21
Start officially. 00:09:22
But it's going to the stream. 00:09:25
So if you want to just leave it on you. 00:09:28
OK. 00:09:30
All right, let's let's start with the word of prayer and. 00:09:31
Sorry I haven't asked anybody ahead of time. Anyone want to volunteer? 00:09:35
All right, let them know they get a pit. 00:09:40
Well, I'll do it. 00:09:42
Our kind Father in heaven, we're so very thankful for the blessings I was given to us. We're grateful to live in this wonderful 00:09:48
town and for the. 00:09:51
Great blessing it is with how the neighborhoods we have and the neighbors we have. 00:09:54
Grateful for the. 00:09:57
The wonderful, safe and warm feeling we have that we live here. 00:09:59
We'd ask thou please be with us now as we. 00:10:01
Go through this the the agenda, this meeting, we might be able to. 00:10:03
Make good plans and to be able to learn more about what's going on and what needs to happen. 00:10:07
We asked people like inspiration and like guidance. As we do so we do this name my son Jesus Christ, Amen. 00:10:12
Would you join me in the Pledge of Allegiance? 00:10:18
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. 00:10:24
Which stands one nation under God. 00:10:29
Indivisible with liberty and justice for all. 00:10:32
Tony, don't forget David's pen. 00:10:37
You got it. I'll get it later, OK. 00:10:39
I have grandkids. 00:10:43
Morgan, right? 00:10:48
Yeah, all yours. Great. Thanks so much. 00:10:49
Mayor, Councilmembers, thank you for this opportunity for our department, Community Development department to be able to present 00:10:53
to you. 00:10:55
So our hope is to be able to convey to you kind of the structure of our department, our roles, duties, responsibilities. 00:10:58
And the initiatives that the our department are engaged in currently. 00:11:04
And. 00:11:09
And get kind of your thoughts go before. 00:11:10
And try to understand kind of what your vision is as a City Council that will help us be able to move forward with projects. 00:11:13
And then what are some of the projects? 00:11:20
Or initiatives that you have as City Council that you would like us to prioritize? 00:11:22
So here's the makeup of. 00:11:30
Department 6. 00:11:31
Staff member or seven staff member department. 00:11:33
So you have here myself at the Community Development Director. 00:11:37
Actually, why don't we move this back? 00:11:44
I think they did it for. 00:11:46
You could stand out the vote. 00:11:48
All right, so. 00:11:52
Yeah, the director. Then you have. 00:11:54
Cash Fancy. Cash Fancy is our senior planner. He's over cut the current planning. So that would be any of the applications that 00:11:57
come through the process. 00:12:01
Building permit review, making sure that all of the time frames that are required by state code are kept. And that's one thing 00:12:06
though, to really kind of keep at the forefront of your mind whenever there's an application, there's a time, a time frame that 00:12:11
that is required under state code. And so we need to make sure that we have timely reviews. 00:12:17
And that they go through the appropriate process as dictated by our code. So cash is really essential in making sure that we meet 00:12:22
those timeframes. Also, cache works on some of the long range planning and some of the master planning. Anthony Fletcher is the 00:12:28
long range planner. So he is the head of kind of. 00:12:34
That portion of the department, the master planning, the general plan, that's a really crucial document that you have. 00:12:39
And then he also. 00:12:46
Sits and. 00:12:48
Works with but the different regional agencies. 00:12:50
That we have with U dot Utah mag. 00:12:53
So he plays a critical role in being kind of the face and the liaison for our department to those. 00:12:57
Closely with a city engineer in the same. 00:13:03
In a lot of those those roles from transportation economic development standpoint. 00:13:06
We have Kelly. 00:13:11
Clover, she's our business license specialist, so she I always mess up her name. Did I get her out? 00:13:13
Clever. 00:13:19
OK. So she is the kind of the face to our business community. She plays a very critical role in economic development as members of 00:13:20
the public come if they want to do a home occupation or we have businesses that are interested in the city, she's typically one of 00:13:26
the first people that will be engaged helping them to understand the the laws from the City side and the state side surrounding 00:13:32
businesses. 00:13:38
What they can and cannot do within their homes we have, we do have a very healthy. 00:13:45
Local. 00:13:49
Business community within our city. 00:13:51
And a lot of times we don't, we don't realize, but there's a lot of local businesses in the city. A lot of those are in homes. And 00:13:55
so you don't necessarily see storefronts. So Kelly is very critical in helping those people out and also the commercial 00:13:59
businesses, helping the large companies. We do have a lot of those that have come to the city and that are in the process of 00:14:04
coming. So she. 00:14:08
Is really key in that Maria Arteaga is our neighborhood services coordinator. She's over. 00:14:13
Kind of the communication with our HOA's and with our apartment complexes. 00:14:18
That's a really key thing is making sure our communication is very accurate with our apartments. We do have a lot of tenants in 00:14:24
the city and so the more accurate and and open our communication lines are with them. 00:14:31
Really key in helping you as. 00:14:38
Policymakers and as city leaders, to be able to communicate with a big part of your constituency that that our renters. 00:14:40
Rachel Stevens is a planner. She does a lot of our reviews. She works online in Las Vegas. And then we have Madison Reed. She's 00:14:47
our planning technician. She covers a lot of the front desk. 00:14:52
Things that we have, she also worked kind of in a planning capacity, helping to manage our. 00:14:59
Some of our master planning and our kind of the contracts, if we do have consultants helping us kind of keep updated on that. And 00:15:04
then she also does a lot of the technical things helping with their building permit reviews. 00:15:10
And so our department covers 4 different commissions within the city. 00:15:18
So this is really important whenever we have an application. 00:15:22
Or request. 00:15:26
A lot of times even within an advisory role from the. 00:15:28
From the City Council, if there is requests, they go through typically one of these three these four boards. 00:15:30
Planning Commission. 00:15:37
Plays a really important role in being able to provide recommendations, so they would advise City Council. So a lot of times if 00:15:38
you have the City Council has a policy decision, say a. 00:15:43
We deal with parking a lot or if there's something from an economic development standpoint or just land use with the zoning, you 00:15:49
want us to consider some sort of a zoning change, sending that to the Planning Commission. The Planning Commission is set up to 00:15:53
take that policy work with staff. 00:15:58
Analyze it, go through a public engagement process, and then provide a recommendation back to the City Council. So the very, very 00:16:02
critical. 00:16:06
Commission. 00:16:10
And this is also commissioned that is appointed by the mayor and with the consent of the council. Our recommendation is that you 00:16:11
always. 00:16:14
You know you do want to have just. 00:16:18
Members of our community, that's that's the baseline requirement, but. 00:16:20
At least have one or two people within that Commission. 00:16:23
That have some sort of expertise in land use, either zoning, real estate, construction, you do want to have some technical 00:16:27
expertise in there as well as it's great to have just general public as well. 00:16:32
But do try to get some specialties within the makeup of that board for your terms. 00:16:38
They have been provided by the City Council in the past. The ability to make decisions on site plans, conditional use permits. 00:16:45
Site plans are anything like if this building were to come in right now, goes through a site planning process, that's where an 00:16:52
applicant and architect would drop the plans. They would show how they meet the criteria of the zoning code. 00:16:57
Goes through staff into the planning commissions. The Planning Commission is kind of that administrative body that would in that 00:17:02
capacity make an administrative decision. 00:17:06
The development review committee. 00:17:11
It's actually Commission, it was, it was changed a little bit ago, but the development review committee is a staff committee. 00:17:13
And it's made-up typically of department heads. 00:17:19
City manager and so I so I guess with the city manager that would be either. 00:17:23
At this point, David Kyle is in that place where the mayor, so we would need to kind of tweak that a little bit depending on how 00:17:28
the staffing is set up. 00:17:32
But that would be the board that would look at doing final plats and that's also a board from a staffing side that could provide 00:17:37
policy recommendations to the to the City Council. Our active transportation Commission is really critical they review. 00:17:43
With the Planning Commission, they'll review things like such. 00:17:50
Such as like new roads. So we have new roads, trails, parks. 00:17:53
Developments, large developments and the look at those from the. 00:17:57
Kind of the perspective of the pedestrian, the cyclist, the transit user, but also the the auto driver. We want to make sure our 00:18:00
streets have a lot of capacity for automobiles, but also that they. 00:18:06
That there's very safe places for our kids to cross to get to schools. 00:18:12
For our kids to get to parks and just general commuting on bicycles and pedestrians being able to connect to our transit hubs. And 00:18:16
then the appeal authority, this is a really important one from a legal perspective. Any application that goes to the city has an 00:18:22
appeal period. And so if my neighbor builds something on their property, I have typically a time frame where I can make an appeal 00:18:28
to say I don't believe that staff reviewed this correctly. 00:18:34
And that they didn't apply the zoning code correctly. They appeal it. We do have a contract attorney who who's a third party. 00:18:41
And that's a person that can make a. 00:18:49
Like a non conflicted judgment on it's a neutral party. 00:18:53
And then we also have zoning violations typically. 00:18:58
We see a lot of compliance. We work closely with them. That's Maria's job. 00:19:02
So if there's someone who has weeds parking. 00:19:06
Loud parties. They're using their their house as a short term rental like an Airbnb. 00:19:09
There's a whole. 00:19:13
Whole slew of different violations that we get. 00:19:14
And so typically she's able to work directly with the with the property owner, with the help of the Sheriff's Office in some 00:19:17
cases. And we're able to see voluntary compliance, but there are. 00:19:21
Times when someone will say I'm not under violation, I'm allowed to use my property this way and they'll peel it and so that that 00:19:26
goes through this. 00:19:30
Is called variances. Variances are really important. We don't see too many of those. We've had a couple. 00:19:34
Over like the last decade. 00:19:39
But you'll see that where you have. 00:19:41
Fault lines where you have wetlands, it's typically where you own a piece of property. You want to be able to use your property, 00:19:43
but because of the uniqueness of your property, that's that's very unique to your property. 00:19:49
Whether it's a fault line. 00:19:54
A wetland, something that restricts the ability for you to use your property and if you were to apply the zoning code, your 00:19:57
setbacks, your heights or whatever to the property, you're not able to build, build a house. And so like we'll we'll see that or 00:20:01
build a building or use your property like your neighbors are. And so a variance will in some cases allow for like a decrease in a 00:20:06
setback. 00:20:10
Or something like that. So we had. 00:20:16
I think we've received like 2 in the last 10 years. But typically we're able to work with a property owner before they get they 00:20:19
get to that stage, but. 00:20:22
Pretty important. 00:20:26
Yeah, good. And then? 00:20:29
This is just kind of an overall, I mean, there's always kind of the question of like. 00:20:31
That you want for your partnerships with the university. 00:21:05
With HCI, with. With the, with the. 00:21:08
Business community from an economic development standpoint, what is it that you want at the end of your term at the end of 10 00:21:11
years then at 20 years. So what does that legacy and doing the public engagement understanding what what your constituents want as 00:21:16
well that's that's a big part of what the. 00:21:21
What the Community Development Department does. 00:21:26
And and then as we, as we develop codes, we want to safeguard those community values that are expressed in the general plan. 00:21:29
That that's, that's the least the baseline. You're always safest when you can point back to your general planning, say the general 00:21:36
plan says this. So we're going to make a decision that aligns with that general plan. That's really important to find alignment 00:21:40
with your decision making, your policy setting and the general plan so. 00:21:45
Like that would be a big recommendation over the next year or so is. 00:21:51
Is really work on that? 00:21:54
Make sure. 00:21:56
What your what your vision of the community is, it's contained within that general plan that's going to, that's going to be the 00:21:57
safest way to make decisions. 00:22:00
And then we support city leader leadership from a policy standpoint, if you want, if you're interested in a new zoning code or if 00:22:04
you want to do AB or C that deals with land use, that deals with transportation. Working with the engineering department, worked 00:22:10
with the community development department in analyzing and providing recommendations and data. 00:22:15
And we support public safety. That's a really key piece as we work a lot with the Sheriff's Department through our neighborhood 00:22:21
services. 00:22:24
Also in designs, the requirements and the things that we have in our site plan for as a project develops out. 00:22:27
Can assure that it's safe? Is there enough lighting or are there areas where someone someone could hide right next to a trail? So 00:22:34
even like those little details that you have within a code? 00:22:39
Can really translate to a higher level of public safety. We want to make sure that that we continue with that. 00:22:45
And then yeah, we have the the lake and that's such an important thing and we have wetlands throughout the city. So those are 00:22:51
things that are the zoning code in the department we look at after we have a lot of stakeholder positions through like we said, 00:22:55
UDOT through MAG. 00:23:00
Through UTA. 00:23:05
And just these different partners that are really necessary for us to work with. So our our department works closely with them as 00:23:07
we do land use planning. 00:23:11
And then the business community making sure that our local businesses have the opportunity. 00:23:16
To be successful and that as we develop zoning, we don't put incompatible uses right next to each other. So you like. 00:23:21
For instance, we don't have slaughterhouses, but I've seen this in other cities. You don't want to put a slaughterhouse probably 00:23:29
right next to a preschool, you know, So there's certain things like like you want to be very intentional when you develop zoning 00:23:34
and so that you put things that are loud and kind of. 00:23:38
Dirty and messy in an area and that there's buffers and that, you know, you want to develop your zoning districts so that they 00:23:43
work and function very well. 00:23:47
I'll turn the time over to Anthony. 00:23:52
You guys are free to. 00:23:56
Go ahead, Zach. 00:23:57
Messaged me and asked me to. 00:23:59
You would like to know. 00:24:02
Active Transportation Commission has authority designated or delegated to it in the city code. 00:24:04
So, yeah, there is an ordinance. So all of the commissions are adopted by ordinance. So we're and we're we're happy to. So there's 00:24:10
a section if you go into the zoning code, I think there's a commissions and and body section that's in the municipal code. 00:24:17
But the Active Transportation Commission. 00:24:25
Typically is a review. 00:24:28
Body and a body that provides and you you advice. 00:24:30
And so I'd say if you. 00:24:34
Are building a new street or if you want to put in a bike lane that you definitely want to have them look at it and they can 00:24:36
provide you they can do research provide you you know recommendations so that. 00:24:40
We do it right. 00:24:45
That's typically we use them. 00:24:47
Thank you. Yeah. 00:24:48
Yes. 00:24:49
DRC, can we go back and talk about a little more and differentiate between the Planning Commission? 00:24:51
And the Development Review Committee and what the differences are there and what processes would go through the Planning 00:24:56
Commission. 00:24:59
Which was to go through the developer review committee and and do they go through sequentially? 00:25:02
Yeah, yeah. So typically we send all applications through both. So they'll go through the DRC on a staff level. So as we review 00:25:07
applications, so if you're developing a commercial. 00:25:12
Site you submit to the Community Development department, we have your architectural, we have your site plan, we review it. 00:25:17
Goes to all the departments. 00:25:23
We get together in the DRC, we formalize our recommendations, those can then get put into a staff report and that staff report 00:25:25
gets sent to the Planning Commission and then the Planning Commission for the site plan would be the approval body. 00:25:30
Now, there are times where the DRC itself will approve. 00:25:36
Applications and I believe it's just Platts and so they're they, they so that's that's the way for plats to get that's more of 00:25:40
just an administrative prescriptive review. 00:25:44
You're saying does it meet these requirements of the subdivision code and the DRC would formally approve those? 00:25:48
And so that's. 00:25:55
Yeah, and that state law. 00:25:57
The Planning Commission would also do. 00:25:59
Like the formal recommendation to the City Council, so for like the general plan for the master plans. 00:26:01
Even though the DRC membership would still review it, like the formal recommendation would go to the Planning Commission, there'd 00:26:07
be public hearings. 00:26:10
And then that would get sent to the City Council. The City Council would have a public hearing and make a final decision of those 00:26:14
items. So how detailed are the plans that are approved? 00:26:18
By the Dell Development Committee only. This doesn't have to go anywhere else. 00:26:22
Are they just St. levels? Just these are the boundaries, these where the streets are going to go? 00:26:25
That are the building sizes and. 00:26:31
Things like that that are approved, that go back through the Planning Commission. 00:26:34
So that yeah, that would be a site plan. So a site plan. And so that these are really great, great questions. So a site plan is 00:26:37
going to be the actual like building like design official landscaping. It'll show the number of parking stalls. 00:26:43
And so like. 00:26:50
You know, and you've been a bunch of Planning Commission meetings where you see like the. 00:26:51
There'll be an apartment building. 00:26:54
It will lay out all the details and so we'll go through the Planning Commission. 00:26:56
And we'll say, OK, this is the zoning code for architecture and this is how they meet it. This is zoning code for landscaping. And 00:27:00
then we'll show them the landscaping. We reviewed it, it meets the the coverage requirements. And so the site plan will contain 00:27:05
those details. 00:27:09
What a plat does, the plat is essentially just subdividing a lot. It's the legal process for you if you own 10 acres. 00:27:14
To divide that, if zoning allows, into one acre lots. 00:27:20
And so we would look at like the dimensions of a lot. 00:27:24
Do you have access? You know, proper access? 00:27:27
The fire department would look at it. That's a really critical thing, that there's a. 00:27:31
A fire turn around, we would look at it from a utilities. 00:27:35
So. 00:27:39
Easements, yeah. 00:27:40
So that would include all easements and streets and and all that sort of stuff. 00:27:42
Yeah, we have examples later on, we'll show you. 00:27:46
Goes into more detail. 00:27:48
All right. Any more questions? 00:27:50
That's good. No, great. Thanks. 00:27:52
Good. 00:27:53
I guess it's my time. 00:27:56
I want to let you guys know. 00:27:58
That I heard on the. 00:28:00
That we're not quite hearing the questions. So if you just make sure that drugs speak more directly into the mind, I guess. 00:28:01
I thought it was going to pick it up but I guess. 00:28:06
You want another mic so they both have one. If I had one that would reach over there. 00:28:09
I can pass it back. 00:28:14
Yeah, we're good, OK. 00:28:19
All right. 00:28:22
I'm ready to go. 00:28:24
So. 00:28:25
Wonderful questions. 00:28:26
We have. 00:28:27
Thought about giving you a. 00:28:29
Quick master master class. 00:28:31
We'll try to keep it very short. 00:28:33
We try to remind ourselves all the time about various terms and. 00:28:35
You know, terminologies that are used in planning and in community development as a department. 00:28:40
And how our plans and projects we work on relate to each other. 00:28:46
As well as the roles of council. 00:28:50
And, you know, company development staff. 00:28:53
And also how decisions shape the long term. 00:28:55
Outcomes of the city. 00:28:59
So I just want to have a pop. 00:29:02
You know. 00:29:04
Pop Quiz. 00:29:05
What do you think is the difference between a? 00:29:06
Master plan in the general plan. 00:29:08
Any ideas? 00:29:10
Got the microphone, Davidson? 00:29:15
Well, according to your diagram there are general plants that's on top. Master plan would be a subdivision of that. 00:29:19
Is that correct? Well, that's a good, good, good try. 00:29:25
Any thoughts? 00:29:28
Great, great, great. My assumption is that the master plan is specific to a project. 00:29:30
The general plan would be. 00:29:35
The overarching plan for the municipality. 00:29:37
I love it. 00:29:40
That's that's pretty good. 00:29:41
Now I just go into more detail to give you some more information about how it works. I'll get back to that pyramid. 00:29:42
But a general plan is essentially the overall vision. 00:29:47
He goes over our Creator 20 to 30 years, maybe more. 00:29:51
It goes over a period of 20 to 30. 00:29:55
Maybe more. 00:29:57
Depending on how big the vision is. 00:29:59
And. 00:30:01
That is a very extensive process where we bring. 00:30:03
A lot of residents together. 00:30:06
It's it's one that takes. 00:30:08
You know a lot of processes. 00:30:12
Public engagement to come at. 00:30:13
A final. 00:30:17
Vision that. 00:30:18
The city wants to have. 00:30:19
You know, moving forward. 00:30:21
20-30 years, as I was saying. 00:30:22
This long term. 00:30:25
1 is. 00:30:27
Intended to also. 00:30:28
You know, you know the. 00:30:29
Guide the land use and growth. 00:30:32
And also it serves as a foundation. 00:30:34
For zoning decisions and it is a requirement by state. 00:30:37
Law. You know, Utah State law. 00:30:41
Now think of a master plan. I like how. 00:30:44
You know David Larae explained his as well. 00:30:48
A master plan. You can think of it as a baby. 00:30:51
Of. 00:30:53
You know if if general plan had a baby, it will be a master plan. 00:30:55
Right. 00:30:58
It identifies infrastructure needs. 00:30:59
It essentially just picks a portion of the general plan. 00:31:01
And just plant, you know, goes deeper. 00:31:06
And makes it into. 00:31:08
One that can be better assimilated by staff and also we can always refer to. 00:31:11
When we want to do any. 00:31:17
Projects and it guides budgeting. 00:31:18
So for instance, Transportation master plan would. 00:31:21
Essentially. 00:31:25
Go into everything, transportation in the city, the different classes of roads, a lot of. 00:31:27
A lot of studies and analysis. 00:31:33
Are conducted, we do public engagement. 00:31:35
All these come together. 00:31:37
To just, you know, better define what transportation is going to look like when the city is totally built out in, what, 30 years 00:31:40
or more? 00:31:44
It you know it helps with budgeting. It also supports grant applications because this. 00:31:48
There's no way you're gonna have a grant if you don't have a plan in place. 00:31:54
If you can point a plan to an overall vision that the city has, which is a general plan, then. 00:31:58
Usually your chances of having a grant is very low. 00:32:04
So a master plan. 00:32:06
Does that and helps we have the active transportation plan. 00:32:08
Open parks and open space plan. 00:32:12
And we have the area and corridor plans. 00:32:15
It is a brother to the. 00:32:17
Master Plan. 00:32:19
All under. 00:32:21
The general plan right it. 00:32:22
Essentially just focuses in an. 00:32:24
Area. 00:32:26
Of the city. 00:32:27
And it just. 00:32:28
Spells better defines the land use. It spells out a lot more things like hey what are the block pardons going to be? 00:32:29
How is design? 00:32:38
Expectation for this area. 00:32:40
One great example we just passed was the. 00:32:43
We just adopted was the Vineyard Station master plan. We had an extensive public engagement process. 00:32:45
And it was all around that area. And I'm going to go into more detail. 00:32:50
So that is an area plan. These terms are used in different ways, but I just thought it would be very helpful so you understand 00:32:54
general plan. 00:32:57
Master Plan. Area Plan. 00:33:01
And then the zoning code. 00:33:04
So that. 00:33:06
Is one that implements the general plan. Is essentially the law. 00:33:07
It regulates density height. 00:33:10
All the things that. 00:33:13
Doing, you know, an application for development we lookout for to say. 00:33:15
They meet all the requirements. 00:33:20
Before we move forward. 00:33:22
And. 00:33:23
The City Council. 00:33:24
Controls zoning through. 00:33:26
Text Amendments. 00:33:28
Zone and map amendments and overlays as well. 00:33:30
All can create some new. 00:33:33
Laws regarding. 00:33:35
How the land should be used? 00:33:37
As it relates to the general plan. 00:33:39
And now development agreements. 00:33:43
I I just. 00:33:46
I'll probably describe this as a jacket. 00:33:47
On top of a zoning code. 00:33:50
Right. So you see the shirt as the zoning code and the jacket on top of it in a case where a development comes into your city? 00:33:52
And it doesn't. 00:33:59
Entirely meet. 00:34:00
All the IT wants to do a couple of things, but it doesn't entirely meet the zoning code. 00:34:01
But the city might. 00:34:06
Want to work with them because it's going to be a great. 00:34:07
Opportunity to build in their city. They come into an agreement. It's legally binding, is very project specific. 00:34:10
It establishes a lot of things like when the roads are going to go in facing timing of all the improvements and it's. 00:34:16
Clearly also outlines the cost of. 00:34:25
Who takes what or who pays for what? 00:34:28
As well as. 00:34:30
You know. 00:34:32
Once as a signed document or contract, it is legally binding. 00:34:33
So I heard you right. 00:34:38
Yeah. 00:34:40
Sorry, I heard you're right. You're saying? 00:34:40
This is where. 00:34:42
This development agreement can override. 00:34:44
Zoning ordinances. 00:34:46
It works hand in hand. 00:34:48
OK, but doesn't. 00:34:49
Does it? Do you use it to override ordinance? To some? To some extent it does. To what extent? 00:34:50
To extent. So it's all usually defined in the agreement, where for instance the lot size in maybe holdaway fields. 00:34:56
Was originally one that allowed 12,000 square foot lots but. 00:35:03
Because of the. 00:35:08
Development agreement. 00:35:08
It's, you know, brought down to about 5000. 00:35:10
Is there anything else you want to add? 00:35:13
And that's and that's. 00:35:15
Is that a public process? 00:35:17
Yes, it goes through a rigorous profit process. 00:35:19
Don't recall ever in the last 10 years ever being invited to a session where you were. 00:35:22
A development agreement was. 00:35:27
Was negotiated. 00:35:29
Or approved. 00:35:31
Frankly. 00:35:32
It wasn't a public meeting. 00:35:33
I wasn't listed in. 00:35:35
Public meeting. 00:35:37
You know, agendas. 00:35:38
That that page. 00:35:39
So how is many of these development agreements? I found out later because you did publish them afterwards, which is nice. 00:35:40
But they did not. 00:35:47
You know they were done. 00:35:49
Frankly. 00:35:51
Not in the public's eye. So how? 00:35:51
Is that, is that normal? Is that I'm not sure of any development agreement that has not gone through Planning Commission and City 00:35:53
Council that has not been publicly noticed? 00:35:57
Did you do, I mean, could you, could you refer the whole way feels for example, you know, they talked about what they wanted to do 00:36:01
and so forth, but that had to. 00:36:04
And there was and there was an agreement made, but then the development agreement was was signed and negotiated afterwards include 00:36:08
in closed sessions with the City Council or city members, members of City Council. That development agreement went through a very 00:36:13
extensive process with staff. The developer went through Planning Commission I think 3 or 4 times, went to City Council several 00:36:17
times Commission, City Council never heard public yet. 00:36:22
They have public, public hearings they ever see, every single one of them. 00:36:27
Yeah, there was a neighborhood plan. I mean it's. 00:36:31
I mean, it's all, it's all on the record. You can. 00:36:34
I like to see that record, yeah, when you get a chance. 00:36:36
Yeah, Thank you. Yeah, it's all online too. You just. 00:36:38
Yeah, you can. 00:36:41
Numbers ago. 00:36:42
There's a development agreement that went through with the forge. Yeah, with the forge that was 1. 00:36:44
I mean, they all go through through a process we had. They have to. 00:36:49
OK, well if that's the case, it wasn't obvious at the time, so please I would like to see. 00:36:53
Show me, show me the record where it happened. I'd love to and hold away Feels was well attended. I mean, those were. 00:36:57
Those are pretty raucous meetings when we had. 00:37:03
Taught them and there was a packed house. 00:37:06
I may have missed one of those meetings. 00:37:08
That's all. But he went to ones where just double sessions, you know, you couldn't. Yeah. And then that one, we looked at 00:37:11
everything with the parks, we looked at like the the roads. That was a really, really specific topic that was looked at the design 00:37:15
of those roads. 00:37:20
Those are those were. 00:37:25
That was an agreement that was well vetted through the public. 00:37:27
And so the doc and so. 00:37:29
The when? When. 00:37:31
Planning Commission passed whatever, what do you call it, on ordinance would be whatever they they recommended approval to the 00:37:33
City Council and anything changed between the time they recommended it and the City Council approved it. 00:37:38
I mean, this is several years ago. I mean this is the City Council. So if. 00:37:44
The Planning Commission recommends approval something now as a City Council member, you. 00:37:47
They've gone through their public process. You can take and go. Now it's our turn. 00:37:52
And you're the deciding force on it. You can change. 00:37:56
What you want, as long as it's gone through the Planning Commission, you, you as a City Council, don't have to. 00:37:59
Follow the Planning Commission. There's times where City Council will. 00:38:04
Make an approval that's in opposition to a recommendation the City Council has provided. That's that's fine. You're allowed to do 00:38:07
that. 00:38:10
So I don't know. I mean, I'd have to go back on the record and see if something was changed, but. 00:38:13
I mean it. 00:38:18
I mean, all those meetings were very public, even the City Council ones were. So I there probably were some some tweaks I would 00:38:18
imagine from the City Council side that typically is. 00:38:23
At some future time, I'd like to go over that with you. 00:38:28
Thank you. 00:38:33
OK. Thank you so much. I. 00:38:39
I'm happy we're talking about this. 00:38:42
Clears out all these terminologies so we're all on the same page when we. 00:38:44
Talk about them in meetings. 00:38:48
So how we evaluate? 00:38:50
Projects. You know that coming every day. 00:38:53
You know, before a project is approved, no matter what it is. 00:38:55
You know, we make sure it's consistent with the general plan. 00:38:58
We also make sure it aligns with a master plan if it falls in any of those categories. 00:39:02
We pay a lot. 00:39:07
More attention as well to compliance to the zoning because that's the law. 00:39:09
And we also. 00:39:14
Make sure if there is a development agreement. 00:39:16
That also is being. 00:39:19
Catered for, it's just. 00:39:21
Ticking all the mark, the marks for that. 00:39:22
If it's a yes. 00:39:24
Staff. 00:39:26
You know, that's what we consider the administrative approval. 00:39:27
Then it just moves forward in the process going to Planning Commission and getting approved. 00:39:31
If it's a no. 00:39:34
And we want to keep it a no. 00:39:36
It just stays as that. 00:39:37
Or it goes to legislative, and that's when it comes to City Council. And you have the point. 00:39:38
The chance to make a policy decision. 00:39:43
On changing something in the code or development agreement or the general plan. 00:39:46
That would allow that to become a yes. 00:39:50
Because some things can only go through a yes. 00:39:52
When all these changes are made. 00:39:55
So legislative. 00:39:58
Powers, which is the Council? 00:40:00
Allows for these, you know, policy changes rezone. 00:40:03
General plan amendments. 00:40:07
And the discretion for council is pretty broad. 00:40:09
And I don't want to go through a long list administrative. 00:40:12
We're pretty much going by the book. 00:40:15
Everything that's been approved. 00:40:17
Or has been, you know, recorded as a contract development agreement? 00:40:19
Stuff just applies what's there. 00:40:25
And. 00:40:27
We try to enforce whatever you say is law. 00:40:28
Or you create as a policy. 00:40:31
So just a quick one, the role of council and staff. 00:40:34
I've gone through that pretty much. You said the policy you adopt and amend the policies and plans. 00:40:38
You make legislative decisions. 00:40:44
You approve and amend development agreements. 00:40:46
And on the staff side for community development? 00:40:50
We implement everything that you've adopted in terms of policy and plans. 00:40:52
We apply the code very consistently. 00:40:56
And. 00:40:59
Provide technical analysis where there's a. 00:41:00
You know, for instance, the parking issues that we've had in the city, so many. 00:41:02
Times we do a lot of research, we. 00:41:06
You know, see what's happening outside of Vineyard. 00:41:09
Real time analysis, We work very close with engineering. How does this affect, you know, all these things? We provide all those 00:41:12
technical analysis as well as ensuring legal compliance. 00:41:18
And of course. 00:41:23
As part of the research and as professionals, we also advise on long term. 00:41:25
Implications because every decision we make. 00:41:29
Obviously has some long term implications, good or bad. 00:41:32
So. 00:41:36
I'll just go in here. 00:41:38
Why planning and the services we offer from the company development department is important with planning? 00:41:40
Growth is very predictable. 00:41:49
It invites. 00:41:50
A lot of investors, economic development happens, better growth. 00:41:51
You know, infrastructure keeps pace. We have. 00:41:57
Things planned out. We know in the next three years, I wrote. Is going to go in the next two years. We know a park is coming in. 00:41:59
There's a dog park come in this, you know, everything is very predictable and it shows how stable our city and economy can be when 00:42:05
it comes to projections and growth. 00:42:10
City goals remain very achievable because we have a plan to follow. 00:42:15
Right. 00:42:20
This also helps financial planning and budgeting. 00:42:22
Process to be more realistic and not. 00:42:27
Of wishful thing. 00:42:30
Without all this planning, decisions become very reactive. 00:42:32
You know, if we don't have a plan in place for maybe the station area, what happens is OK, a developer comes in, I want to put up 00:42:35
this building. 00:42:39
Does it work for us? Does it work with the surrounding developments? Does it, you know, all these things we consider if we don't 00:42:43
have all these things in a plan? 00:42:47
As a written document. 00:42:51
You'll be having a lot of reactive. 00:42:54
You know, decisions that would not be helpful for the city infrastructure lacks a little bit because you can't even, you know. 00:42:55
Say. 00:43:01
We're having a road going next week, right? But if we have everything well planned, you can. 00:43:02
Tell your constituents, hey, by next summer we're having a good park in this spot and it's going to happen because we have a plan, 00:43:07
we have a budget we have. 00:43:10
Everything lining up. 00:43:14
Very well. 00:43:15
Legal challenges if we don't, you know. 00:43:17
If we don't have a plan in place on things, we do. 00:43:20
We're going to be sued for a lot of things. 00:43:23
That we could. 00:43:25
Just be avoided. 00:43:27
If we had. 00:43:28
Something to show. 00:43:29
You know, especially the general plan. 00:43:30
You got to be familiar with that and make various master plans. 00:43:32
And I may not have mentioned but the various master plans. 00:43:38
Brings out various projects to focus on if you want to do stuff, so you can just pick one. 00:43:41
And just run with it. 00:43:47
At this point, I'll just turn it over to Cash to talk a lot more about the subdivision. 00:43:48
So we could have a better. 00:43:52
Yeah, so I just have a few different type of application examples to run through with you. Be really quick on these. What you see 00:43:54
here is on the right side. 00:43:58
Screen I believe. 00:44:02
Is going to be a preliminary applicant plat application. Essentially it's going to outline the street infrastructure of the lot 00:44:03
sizes and that kind of stuff for development. So as you can see you have holdaway fields. 00:44:07
As the whole development there. 00:44:12
And then as they're ready to build, they're going to subdivide that into a final plat and so on. The the. 00:44:14
Left side of the screen. 00:44:19
Right here it's hard to see you'll have a. 00:44:21
A final plot. The final plot will list setbacks. It'll list actual lot sizes, street names, stuff like that. That's the document 00:44:25
that gets recorded at the county. That's the document that's approved by the development review committee. 00:44:31
Commission, whatever it is. 00:44:37
Yeah. So the more detailed 1 is was approved by the development review committee. I believe they do both. We haven't done a 00:44:41
preliminary plat application in a minute. 00:44:45
But I believe the code says both are approved by the. 00:44:49
So. So once a plot plan is approved, one of them on the left, that's a plot plan, correct? 00:44:52
Once that preliminary plat plan, once that's approved, then. 00:44:57
That the final one there can be approved by the DRC without going back through Planning Commission, correct? That is correct. So 00:45:01
the public doesn't have to be involved. The DRC, the public is invited to those meetings there Thursdays when they can't get 00:45:04
there. I know. 00:45:08
That that's, that's unfortunately it's state statute that. 00:45:14
That it cannot be the the City Council and I believe it cannot be the Planning Commission. 00:45:17
That approved Platts. 00:45:21
So we kind of felt that the DRC was already an existing body. 00:45:23
That's the body that made sense to approve plots because it is essentially an administrative thing. We're having engineering look 00:45:26
at it. We're having the fire department review it. 00:45:30
It's essentially we're saying, does this meet the code that has been written that the Council has already approved? 00:45:33
If yes, we can improve it as a plot, get it recorded. If no, we cannot record it. 00:45:39
It's essentially A checklist with. 00:45:44
So yeah. 00:45:49
The next type of application that we deal with a lot of is going to be site plans. What you see here is an example of a 00:45:52
residential site plan. These are reviewed through an administrative process that will not. 00:45:57
Don't go through the Planning Commission or City Council. 00:46:03
After everything's been approved. 00:46:06
So you'll see you have the site layout there, it lists the size of the building, it shows the parking, it shows the setbacks for 00:46:07
the building. We ensure that that plan meets the plat. So for example, if this structure here, if this house, if the the house is 00:46:12
scooted all the way over to the properties. 00:46:18
Property line. 00:46:23
And it's a 10 foot side yard set back. We would deny the building permit application saying you need to be 10 feet from the 00:46:24
property line, according to the plat. 00:46:27
The next image you see is going to be an elevation. On that, we're going to measure mostly just the height of the building itself 00:46:32
and make sure that it's in compliance with our code. 00:46:35
So that's it on those type of applications. Any questions about them? 00:46:42
Pretty straightforward. 00:46:47
I will say on site plans. 00:46:49
Mostly review commercial site plan applications as those do go through the Planning Commission. Those do go in front of the public 00:46:50
for review, but once again, it is an administrative process. If the site plan meets our code, our hands are tied in terms of. 00:46:57
Denying a site plan unless we can tie it to specific reasons such as parking setbacks or height or something like that. 00:47:03
Well, there's a nice overview. Will there be time to talk about specific places later on in the presentation? Yeah, Yep, Yep. 00:47:11
We're almost done with this section and then we're going to get into the weeds on our master plans and our actual projects. 00:47:16
Administrative code enforcement. I know there's been a lot of talk at council meetings about code enforcement and how we can 00:47:23
improve those processes. Right? Here is just a brief snapshot of our administrative code enforcement process. I will also send 00:47:28
this out as a copy to you guys to review. But essentially, when we receive a complaint from a resident, we have to essentially 00:47:33
file into one of these 4 categories. We have criminal that will send straight to Holden and he'll handle right away, and then we 00:47:38
have citation abatement and nuisance. 00:47:43
And then according to that type of category, we have to follow a very strict process that we're dictated by our code and state 00:47:49
code on what we can cannot do. And it requires burden of proof, right? We need to make sure that if somebody submits A complaint 00:47:54
that we have actual evidence that what is going on is against our code. We can try and do the investigation ourselves. We can go 00:48:00
knock on doors, we can go look at the site. 00:48:05
And if we observe that, then we will send a notice of violation saying you have. 00:48:10
This amount of time to cure this if not, you will face these penalties and those penalties are listed out here as fees and we 00:48:14
have. 00:48:18
Marie has done excellent job at. 00:48:22
Keeping on top of that with these properties that we've had issues with and collecting those fees as the the punishment, like I 00:48:25
said, I'll send this out. It's a very, very clarifying document on how code enforcement works in the city. 00:48:30
That's all we really have on code enforcement. Is there anything in specific you have question on with that? 00:48:37
Right. Once I get that sheet, I'll just look through it and I'll e-mail you guys if I have any questions. OK, great. And and all 00:48:44
of these fees that are in here, you'll see those are all outlined in the fee schedule that the City Council adopts. So if that's 00:48:49
something that you feel should be more strict or. 00:48:54
More lenient, we can always make that adoption through the fee schedule. 00:48:58
Can I ask just? 00:49:05
Because I can't read the whole thing yet. 00:49:07
When I talked to Maria about code enforcement previously. 00:49:09
She mentioned that. 00:49:12
For example, the over occupancy one, that's like the biggest one. Absolutely, absolutely. 00:49:14
Is $100 per day. 00:49:19
Fee. 00:49:21
But can I ask what? 00:49:23
Enforcement mechanism exists. 00:49:25
For that fee, can we tie the fee to anything else? So generally speaking, when we've gotten to that point, we have to seek to our 00:49:29
legal counsel and just say, hey, this, this house has $1000 of fees and they are not willing to come into compliance. 00:49:35
They aren't. 00:49:41
Working with us, what can we do? And generally we rely on our legal counsel. In the past, we've had issues where the the issue was 00:49:42
they built a structure onto the back of their house that was against code and and we ended up putting a. 00:49:48
What's it called? 00:49:54
A lien on their property that when they sold the property, it had to be known that this structure did not go through the building 00:49:56
process was against zoning by zoning code. So that's one mechanism, but definitely open to having that conversation with our new 00:50:00
attorney on kind of what he would like to see. 00:50:05
But generally, that's been our practice. 00:50:10
And and I will say that probably 95% of the time when we get a complaint and we. 00:50:13
Issue a violation. 00:50:17
They usually come into compliance within that cure period. 00:50:18
OK. 00:50:22
Thank you. 00:50:23
So and most of the time if it is over occupancy we will offer different ways of remedying that. We will say we believe this is an 00:50:23
issue. 00:50:27
Can we come out and inspect the property? 00:50:31
And they will let us come onto their property. 00:50:33
We'll go count bedrooms and if we count 4 bedrooms. 00:50:35
With beds in them, we're going to say, OK, you're in compliance. Or they'll send us a copy of their leases and they'll say here's 00:50:37
the lease of these four people living here. And at that point that's evidence saying they are in compliance. Sometimes, sure, they 00:50:42
might have one or two people staying over their friends or whatever. It's really hard for us to. 00:50:47
To essentially measure that right if they just have a buddy coming over for a weekend. 00:50:52
Right. So we really do need hard evidence so that we can, you know, you don't want the government accusing you of something. 00:50:56
That you're not actually doing. 00:51:02
Right. So there's definitely a delicate line to balance there. 00:51:04
So that's it for. 00:51:10
Oh, sorry. 00:51:11
Yeah. 00:51:14
If you go back to that chart basically. 00:51:20
Like once a civil citation becomes so bad. 00:51:23
That's when. 00:51:27
We could kind of refer it over to a criminal citation, so that's why. 00:51:28
A lot of the times these fees, they, they accumulate, they escalate and once they get to a certain threshold then. 00:51:32
Then it can go into the kind of the criminal. 00:51:38
Court system that very rarely happens. 00:51:40
Just, you know, based on. 00:51:44
But. 00:51:47
Hey, once we get out of this local civil. 00:51:50
Issue. 00:51:52
That's kind of the next step. 00:51:53
And and I will say 11 obstacle that we have to to figure out with code enforcement. 00:51:55
Is is we don't have a court system in Vineyard for people to appeal to necessarily. 00:51:59
And so that's something we've kind of talked about in the past of how can we we do that? Can we partner with like ORMS court or 00:52:03
something to essentially resolve matters like what you were talking about with if, if fees get to a certain point, what can we do? 00:52:09
That's what a lot of cities will do is they have a civil court that the city can take the person to court and have a judge rule on 00:52:14
that. 00:52:17
We just don't have that ability because we don't have a contract with a court and we don't have a court here, so. 00:52:20
And it talked a little bit about that one. And some of these, some of these like parking citations and violations that we were 00:52:27
talking about, we can. 00:52:31
Refer those over to the ALJ and kind of have a preliminary appeals process through that and so hopefully that. 00:52:35
Going forward, can take care of our administrative law. That's the yeah. 00:52:41
Some of those issues so. 00:52:48
We don't have to. 00:52:49
We're not allowed to make yeah. 00:52:52
Gotten away from allowing cities to have. 00:52:54
And stuff. 00:52:58
OK. 00:53:00
Commercial Board. 00:53:02
Thanks, Ezra. 00:53:04
All right, great. So I'll give just a quick. These are like the four divisions of the Community Development Department. So zoning 00:53:10
as we talked about, that's going to be like the actual enforcing the laws. That zoning also includes the subdivision orders. So 00:53:15
those are kind of the two codes that our department would manage. 00:53:20
Planning, that's the master plan we talked about. We have economic development. OK, I can just go through each of one of these, 00:53:26
say yeah. 00:53:29
We've gone through this one extensively to jump. There's a general plan. We've gone through through a lot of these. 00:53:32
When you go to. 00:53:39
Economic development, so economic development, that's a really important one and I know in talking with some of the new council 00:53:41
members that's a really big important part is being able to lower your property taxes. That seems like a real goal the. 00:53:47
Of the new City Council so. 00:53:53
Economic development is going to play a really key, key role in that and there are there are certain projects that are coming up 00:53:55
that as the City Council. 00:53:59
Working with the with the land owners and developers to ensure that we get the commercial, any retail that we get is massive for 00:54:02
the city because we get sales tax from that. And so how it's broken out, we get a big chunk of that. So as much retail as we can 00:54:08
get. 00:54:13
Does help. Now retail is not as I would say as sustainable as like the overall property tax, but it is a really good portion of 00:54:19
your overall budget. And so wherever we can do that, that's going to be great. 00:54:25
This is also another kind of policy area if there's things that you want us to look at certain types of businesses or industries. 00:54:31
With the university coming in UVU, that's 225 acres. That's that's a pretty massive. 00:54:38
Project that, that that's gonna be right in our city. 00:54:44
Working with. 00:54:47
The university to get businesses that align with academics, there are certain things from a long range perspective that that could 00:54:48
really be big for the city. 00:54:51
We're not going to get any, any monies whatsoever for the university though. No property tax, no sales tax, anything from the 00:54:57
university, correct, right. You won't, you won't get. 00:55:00
You won't get property tax, but there there would be sales tax from the city. If they had a bookstore. We get sales tax, yeah. 00:55:04
And if they were to develop anything outside of the like scope of UVU's boundaries, like right now, they're proposing some 00:55:11
churches but say they wanted to bring in. 00:55:15
McDonald's or something, we'd get the sales tax from that. 00:55:18
Can I ask briefly about the? 00:55:24
Process that you guys have for business recruitment right now. 00:55:27
Yeah. So right now we have with our major land owners, we have our, we've kind of designated our Fridays for those meetings. So 00:55:30
that's one of our ways of like working with the flagship and the Utah city companies. 00:55:37
We were able to sit with them and talk about all their new projects and then that helps us to coordinate economic development 00:55:45
efforts. 00:55:48
HCI is a really important that's the Huntsman Cancer Institute that's going to bring. 00:55:52
Within just their first phase, I believe it's upwards of 500 jobs. So so. 00:55:57
Being able to meet on a regular basis with their major property owners, we've seen that pay off really big dividends. We meet with 00:56:02
the yard developers, that's ex development. 00:56:07
As they developed out the project. 00:56:12
Just really tight coordination. 00:56:14
Where that really helps is it helps us to align kind of what we're looking for from a service standpoint if we want more medical 00:56:17
uses. 00:56:20
If we want more daytime traffic. 00:56:24
Being able to meet on a regular basis is so big. 00:56:26
And so like that, that, that's a big one. And also working with our partners with like UDOT and MAG. 00:56:30
Infrastructure is so important and that's one thing that we've seen is like companies are already looking. So working with like 00:56:38
EDC Utah, they have, they have. 00:56:42
Essentially agents that go out and site locators and they look at properties because we have so much property in aggregate, 00:56:48
Vineyard is a really great location for for some of these. 00:56:54
The project that. 00:56:59
That cash will show you later on is 1,000,000 square feet that that's being proposed on the. 00:57:01
The northeast side of the city, that will be the biggest project that there our city is going to see. 00:57:06
And, and that, that'll be incredible. Now it will have some impacts to the city as well. So we need to look at those. But from 00:57:11
bringing employers into the into the city, that's really important for our residents. 00:57:17
But also just from the property values that will be increased. So we work really closely with like those those partners from 00:57:24
infrastructure standpoint and also from just like meeting and coordinating the, the development. Now we do have the RDA and so 00:57:31
Josh Daniels is the RDA director. And so there's that, that's where you can utilize future property taxes. 00:57:38
To help. 00:57:45
Build the infrastructure and that's a major cost to a lot of developers and the cleanup of Geneva. 00:57:46
That of that alone brought. 00:57:54
A project that was most likely not not going to be a project that. 00:57:56
From the private side, you'd be able to just take on because of all the millions of dollars that went into the cleanup. And so the 00:57:59
RDA was able to help with the kind of the environmental cleanup, but then get the infrastructure in place so that that could 00:58:05
actually be developed. So that's very long range, but I'd say the RDA is a really big. 00:58:10
Part of the economic development. 00:58:16
So I guess more specifically, I was trying to. 00:58:18
Figure out what's the actual process for bringing in. 00:58:21
A business entity. 00:58:24
Because I mean, kind of what you shared is it sounds like, you know, you're having these meetings, we're getting alignment with 00:58:26
the developers. Yeah. And then are the developers the ones that are approaching businesses to try to bring them into the 00:58:30
development? Both. Yeah. So the city will as well. 00:58:34
And and we. 00:58:39
Like it for instance, when when we worked on the grocery store that the city like we met with all all the different players. 00:58:42
Usually there's a large commercial agent that represents like your the represent Smiths. 00:58:47
Or that that'll that'll represent. 00:58:53
You know, just just really any of those groceries grocers at like Macy's. So we, we would go, we would meet with, with the 00:58:56
Associated Foods reps. 00:59:01
And so that, that, that was pretty important. We actually, it was about six years ago we, we came really close to getting a 00:59:07
grocery store, but they wanted to be in a park. 00:59:10
He actually wanted the city to get to sell them Parkland and Gammon Park. And so it was just something the City Council is like, 00:59:15
no, that's gonna, you know, we don't give up Parkland for commercial development. 00:59:20
But yeah, a lot of times it's going out working with like Top Golf, that was kind of 1 where. 00:59:26
The developer. 00:59:32
Went out. 00:59:34
And they had what's called Big Shots. That was the name of the of the project. And there's, I think there's one in Texas and 00:59:35
there's there might be one in Arizona. But it was supposed to be like the competitor Top Golf. So we worked with them and then we 00:59:41
went out and once like the approval went through for a big shot, then Top Golf got really interested because they, they didn't 00:59:47
want, they wanted to dominate basically the Utah County market. And so that actually got Top Golf kind of the primary. 00:59:53
A bit business to come in and so yeah, it's it's complex like there's the. 01:00:00
The icy. 01:00:05
The ICSC conference, so we've gone to that a few times in Las Vegas and that's really cool because you'll get. 01:00:07
It's like thousands of different retailers all in one area and you have like two or three days of just really intense meetings 01:00:13
where you go from booth to booth to booth and you try to set up meetings and that helps I've. 01:00:18
I haven't, I haven't seen a lot of success from that. I think at this point now where we're like developing out like. 01:00:23
The whole downtown area when we were going. 01:00:30
Didn't have like. 01:00:33
All the planning in place, the infrastructure, now we're at a point where it would be, it is actually easier to get people in 01:00:34
because now there's buildable pads like the infrastructure in place. You're essentially just pulling billing permits and site 01:00:39
plans at this point. And so I'd like this next 4 to 5, four to eight years for the city I think are going to be really big because 01:00:44
it's like the sites are development ready. 01:00:49
So it's going to be really exciting from economic development standpoint. So can I ask? 01:00:55
Outside of the RDA. 01:00:59
As far as just the city proper. 01:01:01
Do we have any? 01:01:03
Business incentives or? 01:01:05
Recruitment tools to try to bring someone in. 01:01:07
Do we offer sales tax rebates or something through the city as opposed to? 01:01:10
The RDA. 01:01:14
No, we don't. 01:01:15
In the past, and I think this about six years ago, the City Council was interested in looking at. 01:01:17
I think Lehigh does this, but there we were given some ideas of actually just instead of because it's always like the RDA was, you 01:01:23
know, got Top Golf, which is great, brings jobs, it's economic development. But is there a way for us to incentivize small 01:01:28
businesses? And So what we did is we worked with. 01:01:33
So I would say kind of on that front. 01:01:39
To kind of align with what you're saying, we worked with. 01:01:41
The Homestead developer. 01:01:44
So where they have the townhomes, where the overpasses, just just on the South side of that, there's 56 live work units that that 01:01:46
are being built. And that that was staff just sitting down with the developer and saying. 01:01:53
We have this awesome opportunity. 01:02:00
To you're right off the. 01:02:02
The overpass. Why don't we? 01:02:04
Make an opportunity where we have a lot of small businesses that can come in. And so those live work units, how we set it up from 01:02:06
a development agreement standpoint and the zoning standpoint was that the ground floor would be set up as a storefront and the 01:02:11
person that owned the business would actually live above the business. And so as those get built, you'll see two to three bedrooms 01:02:16
on top with essentially like the office or the storefront on the bottom. And that's a massive opportunity and those are being 01:02:22
built right now. 01:02:27
And so as they fill up, you'll see a lot of small businesses. And I would say for the City Council standpoint, those are gonna be 01:02:32
brand new businesses. I would recommend getting in there, becoming friends with these guys. 01:02:37
Because as they mature. 01:02:42
Try to retain them, say we love you guys, stay here and expand in our city. So those small businesses 5 to 10 years are going to 01:02:44
become like your brick and mortar throughout the city. So that's another way is just like helping to. 01:02:50
To helping like the developers or land owners to see a vision that's one that was realized, that's. 01:02:56
That could be really major for us. 01:03:01
Those direct incentives are. 01:03:07
Completely. 01:03:10
There's very limited. 01:03:12
Avenues for? 01:03:14
Lighting up because the state. 01:03:15
Wants to ensure that businesses aren't competing with each other. It's like. 01:03:17
We want the incentives to come to the state and then once they decide to come to Utah. 01:03:21
That used to turn into cities fighting against each other to offer those. 01:03:25
Those incentives? 01:03:28
And that was just making things worse for everybody statewide and so. 01:03:30
They've actually made it illegal for. 01:03:34
Cities to offer. 01:03:36
Specific tax rebate incentives for for sales of property tax. 01:03:37
For those incentives. 01:03:42
But they do allow the investment in infrastructure and that's where. 01:03:44
Kind of. 01:03:48
Use. That's really our opportunity to. 01:03:48
Hey, we'll lower your costs here. 01:03:51
Make it a little bit easier to start up the business where we can't offer those direct resale retail incentives anymore. 01:03:53
So my question is. 01:04:01
Where else in the city would you have him expand to? You talk about a small live workplaces. 01:04:03
You want them to, you know, stay in Vineyard. Expand. Expand here. 01:04:09
Where would they do that? 01:04:13
Yeah. Well, you have, that's a, that's a great point. Well, you have the downtown area like that right. There is going to be a 01:04:14
huge economic development area. You have flagship or flag borough has it all programmed and they want it the way they want it. 01:04:20
Their first phase, I mean, they, they, they have it, they have it mapped out, but you're talking. 01:04:27
250 acres of downtown like for our city that's that's a really big downtown and so and that most likely I mean, I, I think from 01:04:32
the developer side, like the developers are always extremely optimistic. This is we're going to have this built in 10 years. 01:04:37
That's a huge project by. 01:04:42
I mean by. 01:04:47
My bet is you're looking at like anywhere from 15 to 20, maybe in 25 years. That's 250 acres of land plus the other side. 01:04:49
I mean that the total area of like the East Geneva, you're looking at like another 400 plus acres, not including the the 01:04:57
university. 01:05:01
And so I you know, and that's all zone commercial. So yeah. And and the yard and the yard, 2 year old, you'll see businesses come 01:05:05
in and out and so like. 01:05:09
You'll, you'll see where there's, there's a vacant space and if you have a live work unit that's a commercial unit like. 01:05:14
Expand where we have space right now. 01:05:19
And there's also like the pie shaped. 01:05:22
Property where you come over the the Center St. overpass. 01:05:24
Right, you know, right next to like Dairy Queen, you know that vacant land right there that, that that's another project in this, 01:05:29
this next year or two, they're going to come forward with a site plan and you'll see office retail. 01:05:34
So that's, that's another piece. The forge, that's another 40 acres. I mean, there's some really significant tracts of land. 01:05:39
For development. 01:05:45
So they're basically. 01:05:46
Land owners, developer slash land owners and they've had to work with, right? 01:05:48
There's that pie shaped. 01:05:52
Place you mentioned, I'm not sure who owns that. 01:05:53
Then there's the Forge, Eric. Next development. 01:05:55
Martin Snow up north. 01:05:58
Or flag roll. That's really it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ex dev. And now because they've sold off a lot of those and what you what you 01:06:00
see and you see this everywhere. 01:06:04
A lot of these these parcels now that they're starting to be sold off. So you're having like smaller property owners. 01:06:09
You have redevelopment and so typically once you hit that, that 10 year to 20 year life cycle, you start to see a lot of a lot of 01:06:15
redevelopment where someone comes in, they say I want to expand. 01:06:21
Or this one story building doesn't work because of where the market and the property values are right now. I actually want to tear 01:06:26
that down and build an office building or build build something that's a lot more significant. 01:06:32
Yeah, yeah, the Pruitts. Yeah, Steve. 01:06:37
So there's, yeah, there's quite a few. But yeah, we do have larger tracks that are owned by. 01:06:40
By essentially 1 entity. 01:06:45
And so. 01:06:47
That's different, but as you know, Fast forward 10 to 20 years from now, within cities more mature, you'll see something that's 01:06:48
like a. 01:06:51
Like an arm where you have lots of smaller properties because because of subdividing just that, such as the nature of the game. 01:06:55
So his next development, selling off those pads over there that they own that whole. 01:07:02
Yard, right? Yeah. And also a section out there in Geneva Rd. 01:07:07
So. 01:07:11
They don't have plans to sell any that I know of. 01:07:12
The the state of the forge, they don't want to so much. 01:07:15
So the xdev on GRMU, that's where like the AutoZone the. 01:07:18
Car wash. Those have all been individually sold out. X step has no ownership of those. 01:07:22
They are even in the talks of selling off that multifamily building that they got approved and they have sold off a few of the 01:07:26
other retail businesses like where the escape room is that was sold to a different developer, different. 01:07:31
Owner and they they still have. 01:07:37
Three more pads that they essentially could sell the rights off to be developed out. 01:07:39
Typically you'll you'll see this a lot, but like a property will say I. 01:07:44
We're going to hold it all, we're going to rent them, but it just all depends on market conditions if they want to invest in 01:07:47
another project. 01:07:51
Like the, the, the, the dynamics of the market change their, their, their, their attitudes moving forward. So that's. 01:07:54
Yeah, ex dev has definitely changed. 01:08:01
Their method. All right. Thank you. 01:08:03
And then neighborhood services. 01:08:09
So we talked a little bit about this. This is one of those areas as you, as you build out, making sure that you stay on top of 01:08:12
this, This is how you keep your city clean. You keep things nice. 01:08:18
Make sure you stay on top of. 01:08:24
Graffiti, weeds and as the city starts to mature, especially on the GRMU where that's the Geneva Rd. area where you do have some 01:08:25
auto uses in past cities I've worked for where you get a lot of auto uses, they are they are good, but they do they start to 01:08:30
create a lot of garbage. 01:08:35
And letter and you can see things getting getting started up. So especially if you get any repair shops and we do have a plan for 01:08:41
some of those. So those are like from a commercial perspective moving forward, you want to make sure that we keep kind of a good 01:08:46
watch on that and just keep sites clean, make sure landscaping. 01:08:52
Stays maintained. 01:08:57
Developers will come through with a landscape plan, they get it approved, they build it, everything looks great. 10 years later, 01:08:59
the landscaping is all dead. And so that's where also the code enforcement part is really good, making sure that they reinstitute 01:09:03
their landscaping plan that that was originally approved. 01:09:08
Yeah. 01:09:17
So I'm back again on master plans. 01:09:26
So at this point, we're going to be diving into various master plans that have been. 01:09:30
Completed or are still ongoing in the city. 01:09:35
And this first one is going to be the station area plan. 01:09:38
It was one that I mean it's been completed and it was adopted by City Council. 01:09:40
This past year. 01:09:47
And this is one that. 01:09:49
Was mandated by the state. 01:09:51
To be done and completed. 01:09:53
Before the end of 2025. 01:09:55
So we started a process. 01:09:57
It took a couple of years, about 3. 01:10:00
Three years or so. 01:10:02
To get to the point where we are. 01:10:03
Had it adopted? 01:10:06
This one. 01:10:08
Required that we study just a half mile around the station. 01:10:08
And. 01:10:13
If you look at this, the half mile is the red, you know. 01:10:14
Ring that you have around the station. 01:10:18
We have. 01:10:21
The West Side. 01:10:22
Fully planned out in the Utah City area, the downtown. 01:10:24
On the on the South side, it's already built out. 01:10:29
And. 01:10:32
The east side on the other side of the tracks is. 01:10:33
Predominantly. 01:10:37
State land, which is UVU. 01:10:39
And we have no control over that one. 01:10:42
The only part that we could. 01:10:45
Plan as part of the requirements by the state. 01:10:47
Are those little slivers that you see? 01:10:49
Around. 01:10:52
A UVU property. 01:10:54
Around here. 01:10:56
In the sense of this process, the state calls that. 01:11:01
Impracticable land because we really within the half mile can do much. However, we had vacant 430 acres on the north. 01:11:04
The northeast of where the you know, the state requires us to study or create the plan, so we decided to expand it into a full 01:11:14
mile. 01:11:19
By doing that. 01:11:24
It gives us the opportunity. 01:11:25
To plan out in such a way that it connects seamlessly with. 01:11:27
Areas that have already been planned and approved, entitlements already. 01:11:31
And also. 01:11:35
We've been working really well with UVU, they've been great partners. 01:11:37
And. 01:11:40
As we did the station area plan, we we came at. 01:11:41
Discussions where whatever goes eventually into. 01:11:45
The Northeastern, which is outside of. 01:11:49
The half mile. 01:11:51
You know, works seamlessly with whatever they're trying to bring in, but whether it be businesses or, you know, kind of make 01:11:53
campuses, whatever it is. 01:11:57
We did this plan with them. 01:12:01
And all the land owners, just so that they know. 01:12:04
What the city stands and all this? 01:12:07
As part of the big vision. 01:12:10
Which is in the general plan. 01:12:11
The active transportation plan. 01:12:16
And Wayfinding plan is another project that is essentially completed. 01:12:18
We had a grant from MAG. 01:12:24
What, two years ago? 01:12:27
About two years ago and we went through a public process we did have. 01:12:29
An active transportation plan. 01:12:33
And with how fast the city is growing, you know, typically after 5 to 10 years, you want to review all your master plans and. 01:12:35
Find out if these are. 01:12:43
Still worth the way they're supposed to be. 01:12:44
Or. 01:12:47
You just update them and when we looked at how the city is growing the Mill Rd. area, which is the. 01:12:47
Eastern corridor of the city. 01:12:54
Was lacking infrastructure that supported. 01:12:56
Good active transportation travel. 01:12:59
Options and ask the West side. 01:13:02
Of the city has all these things in place in terms of some being built and some already planned out in the transportation master 01:13:05
plan. 01:13:09
We thought doing this. 01:13:13
Would also help, that's part of the city. 01:13:15
Be better connected with the rest of the city. 01:13:18
And also. 01:13:20
We took the opportunity because we had a good budget. 01:13:22
To create a wayfinding master plan. 01:13:25
That is going to put up. We set up standards. 01:13:27
That. 01:13:31
Makes clear what kind of science can go on the trails. 01:13:33
We're going to have new residents. We want to direct them to where things are. You know, want to say the yard is 5 miles ahead, We 01:13:36
have bike station. 01:13:40
Maybe one mile ahead. 01:13:45
You know, we want to have a better connector trail system. 01:13:47
That promotes active, healthy life choices and for people that can drive. 01:13:51
Can easily roll on their wheelchairs. 01:13:56
Through our trails. 01:13:58
Throughout the city. 01:13:59
And. 01:14:00
Essentially this plan. 01:14:02
Is done. 01:14:03
It's completed, but we thought. 01:14:05
Instead of having it go through last year and be approved. 01:14:07
We wanted to bring it to the new Council if you want to make some inputs and all that. 01:14:11
It identified projects and this area where you see the numbers identifies various projects. How to make it safer? 01:14:15
We had. 01:14:22
Every month. 01:14:23
Active Transportation Commission. 01:14:25
Gave the public the chance to make inputs to this plan. 01:14:27
We also had, you know, various other public engagement opportunities. So it was extensively reached out to the public. We had 01:14:30
positive feedback. 01:14:34
To this point where we. 01:14:38
Just need to. 01:14:40
Adopt the plan. 01:14:43
So that's where we are. 01:14:44
I'll turn it over to cash on this one. 01:14:50
This is a small area plan that that we've been working on. 01:14:53
This is. 01:14:57
David's familiar with the Hold Way Rd. all the way from Center St. all the way down to 4 S. Just identifying how we can improve 01:14:58
the safety of this road, how we can reduce cut down traffic on this road, especially with four S being completed. Hopefully this 01:15:03
year that that will be resolved. But then also identifying these intersections and how to make them safer. We've heard from 01:15:09
residents, they really hate the stop sign in the middle there, but what could we do to? 01:15:14
To essentially slow down traffic there if we were to get rid of that. The status for this right now is we're working with the 01:15:20
engineering team to do a survey of the road, especially on the South side. You have a lot of historic partials that are. 01:15:26
Just frankly messy. They some partials our own part of the street. 01:15:33
A lot of this was thanks to a petition that Councilman Larae started and. 01:16:07
Passed off to the city and we got budget for it so. 01:16:12
Hopefully once we get those survey results back, we can get moving on it at a staff level. 01:16:15
Can I just say that the intent was to make it a bicycle Blvd. 01:16:20
And that. 01:16:24
The residents already signed off on it. We had we had about 858088 percent. 01:16:27
Approval of it and we had. 01:16:33
One person. 01:16:34
Didn't like it. The rest of them, the other, the rest of that percentage who didn't, it wasn't the 88%. 01:16:35
Just for people that were. 01:16:40
You know, renders didn't want to participate. 01:16:41
Sure, Yeah, and. 01:16:43
But The thing is, you've got a plan and that, that, that was what they wanted. Yeah, we, we still from, I mean, and that was great 01:16:45
work that you did, but you still do want to, to essentially. 01:16:50
Go back as a staff level and. 01:16:55
Hold an open house and hear from them. 01:16:56
And present different options, right? You you might have presented one option, but they might not know that AB and C were also 01:16:58
options, right? And so not not at all discrediting the work that you did. 01:17:03
But just to show what, what are the possibilities on this road? 01:17:07
With the the the right of way that we have on it. 01:17:10
I can. 01:17:15
Yeah, we get a monorail that that'd be a nice liner in there. 01:17:21
We have a. 01:17:29
OK, I guess I don't understand. I guess so you don't. 01:17:31
Unless the planet is something you guys have looked at and approved and want. 01:17:36
You know, you know, it's just just the public's. 01:17:40
Plan isn't good enough, ever. 01:17:42
Now if you if. 01:17:44
If the. 01:17:46
No, I don't know why. 01:17:47
Like what we really mean by that it has to go through a process if you guys approve. 01:17:50
Like what we got from you was a cross section. 01:17:54
That that that showed. 01:17:57
Essentially what you guys wanted, if that's what the City Council wants. 01:17:59
You adopt it, you should go through that transportation Commission, go through Planning Commission. 01:18:01
He goes for City Council. 01:18:06
That's the process we're talking about, so. 01:18:07
If that's exactly what you want. 01:18:09
Then send it to the process and get it adopted. But if you want to look at. 01:18:12
Like there's. 01:18:16
Like this road, there's area we've heard from residents, like there's areas that don't have sidewalks. 01:18:17
There's the potential for this connection here. 01:18:22
That goes through Pogmon if you like. There was the idea of wanting to to. 01:18:25
Essentially block off the road and reroute it. So it's not it's not a cut through. 01:18:29
If you wanted to look at that that process in a more dynamic light, you could do that. You have the schools on both sides. 01:18:34
And you also have the park. 01:18:41
And so. 01:18:42
You, I mean you, you could, you could look at it from a big a bigger. 01:18:43
Perspective and say like do we want to reroute it so there's not cut through? 01:18:47
Do we want to simply just? 01:18:51
Do the paint that did you guys want. If you do that, then you you, you do want that engineered so you're meeting. 01:18:52
What whatever the engineering requirements are. 01:18:58
But if that's that's the baseline what you want, then I would take it through the process and do it. 01:19:00
I'll have I'll take us offline with you later. 01:19:08
This community development house only if I get a button on your presentation. 01:19:18
Just again the same. 01:19:24
See if it works in engineering. 01:19:26
Just one aspect to that and that concerns me the most is of course going through the process in regards to these designs and 01:19:28
developments is. 01:19:33
At the end of the day. 01:19:37
At the end of all this. 01:19:40
The planners look at us to say. 01:19:41
Build it. 01:19:43
And I look back at them, I say, with what money? 01:19:44
So going through that public process allows us to advocate for the funding. 01:19:47
As well as. 01:19:52
Either whether it's from City Council and transportation impact fees, other type of fees, or even through. 01:19:53
Grants and at the end of the day, going through that process and receiving. 01:20:00
Council approval and direction provides us the ability to. 01:20:04
Allocate funds towards those type of things. So I love the. 01:20:08
Planners. Master plans. 01:20:13
And so forth. Then I always ask for as the funding at the very end of it. 01:20:15
Is on the implementation. 01:20:19
So I just want to make sure I. 01:20:21
Reiterate. 01:20:24
That as much as I can. 01:20:25
Thank you. 01:20:27
11 exciting project that that we're mostly just working on on coordination with is the Utah Trail network. I'll be very brief on 01:20:29
this. This is the State of Utah project. They're building a trail from I-15 off of 800 N all the way down to the lake. 01:20:35
You know, stuck walking on the street or in dirt. So this will be an awesome, awesome opportunity for the city. 01:21:09
Well, thank you. We're going to move on to the Vineyard Beach Park. 01:21:20
So the scope of this is, you know, essentially to improve the existing Vineyard beach with more amenities. 01:21:25
We're fortunate enough to have. 01:21:33
A grant from the. 01:21:35
Tourism, Recreation. 01:21:39
Culture and convention. 01:21:40
Which essentially is the county. 01:21:42
CRCC. 01:21:45
To help this. 01:21:47
This improvement happen. 01:21:49
So why ask? You said this is the existing Vineyard beach, so that's the county owned park. 01:21:50
On the North. 01:21:55
Side of. 01:21:56
All the condos and apartments. 01:21:57
Can you say that again? Sorry. 01:21:59
You said this is. 01:22:02
To supplement or build upon the existing Vineyard Beach Park. Yes, that park is. 01:22:03
County owned, correct? 01:22:08
Vineyard Beach. 01:22:10
Is owned by the city Vineyard City. 01:22:11
Right. But we're going to build it out. 01:22:14
Wait, which one? 01:22:16
Yes, that that state. So yeah. 01:22:19
So you have been your beach right now. 01:22:22
Which is essentially. 01:22:24
Like this area right here? 01:22:26
But the plan would would improve. 01:22:28
That, that, that, that whole. 01:22:32
That whole segment, so, but it was several years ago we went through what's called the waterfront. 01:22:33
Master plan that looked at the entire waterfront. So it kind of showed providing. 01:22:38
Areas where you can get out over the water, that's where it shows the Piers. That's kind of conceptual. 01:22:43
But in between where? 01:22:48
Those peers would be that would be an improvement all the all the way across. 01:22:50
So that's FFSL, that's state land, so we'd have to go through their permitting process. 01:22:54
OK, understood. Does the state intend to grant us that land? 01:22:59
No, no. So they would. It would stay, stay. 01:23:03
State land. So we did. We would do a permit process. 01:23:05
Through the state. So that's who we're working with right now. 01:23:08
OK, Deb. 01:23:11
A couple things. 01:23:15
I that waterfront plan. 01:23:16
Was was vastly flawed from the beginning. 01:23:20
Because we were planning to build things on land we didn't control. 01:23:24
State land. 01:23:27
We had several peers. I received a reduced number of peers on this plant here. That's nice. 01:23:29
But that was that also the thing you. 01:23:34
Figured out is that. 01:23:36
That water is only about 18 inches deep out for at least 1/4 mile. 01:23:38
And so getting votes and such because you shot boat ramps and so forth. 01:23:43
That it's just. 01:23:47
Is not practical. 01:23:48
You would have to be dredged and maintained. 01:23:50
For you know, you know. 01:23:53
On a regular basis. 01:23:55
So I think. 01:23:56
So unless you. 01:23:57
We worked that plan. 01:23:59
Considerably. Umm. 01:24:00
It's just not workable. 01:24:01
Practical. And it's one of the problems I have with these master plans is we haven't bothered to figure out whether things 01:24:03
practical before we go back into deciding it. 01:24:07
To, you know, draw pretty pictures about what you think you want it to look like. 01:24:11
OK, so just to add to that. 01:24:18
We do not. 01:24:19
Our staff. 01:24:20
Come up with all this. It goes through a public process and I respect the. 01:24:22
The point on the staff hired. 01:24:27
Firm from Boston that came out in the years they surveyed but surveyed everybody. 01:24:30
By having them come into a large group setting where the theater I think it was and and it'll come. Put a sticker on here. Where 01:24:34
do you want this thing? Put up a sticker on where you want it and everyone and there was no consideration what was possible. 01:24:39
Just all Wouldn't it be wonderful to have this thing? 01:24:45
And so it's totally impractical. 01:24:48
That's my point. 01:24:50
Oh, and that costs us a lot of money. Bring up Boston. 01:24:53
Yeah, well, that was that was through the grand. That's that's what, that's what paid for. 01:25:00
Well, I. 01:25:06
You're you're, you're you're you're saying you're saying we wasted that. And I would disagree with with how you prove that 01:25:07
presented that. 01:25:09
Like like the master plan was not just us drawing pretty pictures like they like we had engineers that came in. There's processes. 01:25:13
We did meet with FFSL. 01:25:17
And they're, they were very conceptual. So the idea with with that type of master plan. 01:25:22
I mean, I mean, that's. 01:25:27
That's very visionary, like looking at the waterfront, you're looking at 20 to 40 years. 01:25:28
The idea is looking at kind of what we can do now. And so that's that. That's what the Vineyard Beach project is like, what FFSL 01:25:32
will approve right now. The idea with like doing peers and stuff like that, I mean, those are things that are further down the 01:25:38
road and we have met with FSL on it. They'd have to be engineered. They'd have to meet their requirements. 01:25:44
And so, yeah, I mean, you can, you can engineer something to work and that's, you know, part of it is putting kind of like. 01:25:50
What would that the city want if we could do something there and then and then as you start to implement it, you take you take 01:25:57
chunks of it. So the part that we're talking about right now with the with the grant that we have money for, it's about 3 point, I 01:26:02
think $6 million in total. 01:26:06
That that that would be to improve areas that are that are uplands. And so that that's kind of the focus right now is how do we 01:26:11
improve? 01:26:15
The uplands so that there's more access points, so it's safer from a transportation standpoint, so that there's amenities. 01:26:19
That are close to the lake right now so that there's parking facilities so that's. 01:26:27
That would be the focus for this, this first phase, but from a long range perspective, I mean. 01:26:32
You wouldn't be able to do peers and those kind of things for a long time. 01:26:37
But if the city wanted to move in that direction. 01:26:41
Having it in a master plan. 01:26:43
Is like, what do you want to see in 40 years? I mean, that's the idea is you. 01:26:46
From that type of master. 01:26:50
Plan. It's a very visionary type master plan for something like the Parks master plan. 01:26:51
Like that's, that's different than the waterfront parks. You're actually saying, OK, like how do we like, what realistically are 01:26:55
we going to build in these areas? 01:26:59
And so like. 01:27:03
So I guess I would just kind of disagree in that standpoint from. 01:27:04
We weren't just drawing pretty pictures, we. 01:27:08
We analyze it. We looked at it from a very long range perspective. What could happen? 01:27:10
And then? 01:27:15
As we phase it in, we actually take the very realistic things well, we know that FFSL will allow this, this and this. 01:27:16
And then we move forward under under those standards. 01:27:23
I'll so sorry. 01:27:29
Thoughts. So many thoughts. 01:27:32
Perhaps it would be helpful because I know this is an issue that. 01:27:34
I ran into. 01:27:37
In the last week meeting with Parks and Rec. 01:27:38
Is we see the master plan? 01:27:42
Presented up on the. 01:27:44
Board. 01:27:46
But it's not. 01:27:47
There's not timelines connected with it. 01:27:49
And so on the first glance and impression, it's all of this all at once. 01:27:51
Sure. And that. 01:27:56
I mean to kind of address both of the things that you guys are bringing up right now. 01:27:58
If we could go through things as they're presented, maybe on like a. 01:28:03
A timeline. 01:28:07
You know, maybe in 40 years, you know, you put that in there, there's funding for it in 40 years and that's what lets it get built 01:28:09
out. So the full picture or intent? 01:28:13
But I think you're right, it's very. 01:28:17
I mean, these are plans that maybe we don't see in our lifetime, you know, be completed. 01:28:21
So understanding maybe what's more. 01:28:27
Immediate versus what's? 01:28:30
Longer term or put in there so that we could seek money for it later. 01:28:32
That would help council understanding. No, I appreciate that. And so Anthony has essentially a presentation. What might be helpful 01:28:36
is to have a work session just on this project because it really is a big project. 01:28:42
But he'd be able to show you exactly what you're saying. 01:28:47
The area that would be under consideration for this grant. 01:28:51
And we do have. 01:28:55
Like the plans that are very specific, I would show you exactly what we're proposing for that area. 01:28:57
So what you're seeing right now is the overall vision, as Morgan has shared. 01:29:04
But the upland side? 01:29:07
Again, we're still working with FFSL. 01:29:10
To be able to. 01:29:12
Get this tightened up in a way that they allow on their land. 01:29:13
Because of sovereign land. 01:29:17
But again. 01:29:19
Not everything Upland belongs to them, but is planned in such a way that is connected. We need to work with them to make the 01:29:20
little piece that belongs to Vineyard work. 01:29:24
As well. 01:29:29
So. 01:29:30
At this point. 01:29:32
Move on to. 01:29:33
You know the funding that. 01:29:36
How it happened? So we're given 3 point. 01:29:37
5 million. 01:29:40
3.6 Essentially $1,000,000. 01:29:41
And at the time, could you clarify what's the TRCC again? 01:29:44
That's the tourism. 01:29:48
Recreational, cultural, and convention. 01:29:51
TRCC. 01:29:54
Right there. 01:29:55
Hotels and yeah. 01:30:01
I just couldn't remember the. 01:30:03
With the tourism, but I can remember most of the state. 01:30:05
Yeah. So the part of this project that is realistic that we can get, you know, built probably in the next. 01:30:11
Three to five years. 01:30:18
Is what we're looking to use this money for. 01:30:20
And. 01:30:22
In total, we've been given. 01:30:23
About $3.6 million. Originally in 2020 we're given about $3,000,000 at a time. 01:30:27
That upland area where we could build. 01:30:33
And be part of an extensive park system in the city was, you know. 01:30:35
Costed at about $6 million. 01:30:41
Time went by because we have to do better planning, not because we have money. We just go into building stuff. We need a real plan 01:30:44
so we know. 01:30:47
Faced, you know, we can face it. Out into what? 01:30:50
Needs to be done immediately. What needs to be done? You know in the future what could even be done. 01:30:54
And and what you know time frame. 01:30:59
That took us to 2023. At the time the money was about expiring, so we went back to TRCC, the county and they. 01:31:02
Essentially worked with us to get. 01:31:11
An adjustment because inflation at the time. 01:31:14
The project was now costing, you know, over a million, you know, $1.2 million more. 01:31:17
Now when they gave us all of that, I'm giving you all the timeline so you follow the story when they give us that. 01:31:25
You know that inflationary adjustment? 01:31:30
They extended the time for us to use the money. 01:31:32
And that was up until May 2026 and we have not been able to use. 01:31:35
Everything. 01:31:40
Or at least build the park or the part that was realistic because we're running into issues with FFSL. We're working with state. 01:31:41
To make sure that. 01:31:50
You know things. 01:31:51
Are in line with what they also envisioned for the area and they're, you know, they're on board, they like it, they just want to 01:31:52
make sure we're using the right material we're using. 01:31:56
You know, we're creating better accesses down to the lake because they like us to create such things. 01:32:01
Went back to them because we obviously don't have the project yet. 01:32:07
We don't have the permits to have us started building, so we went back to the. 01:32:11
TRCC Grant. 01:32:16
And essentially told them that we need to workout something else because we can't use the money in 2026 by 2026 May. 01:32:17
Block 6 is going to be. 01:32:26
City Park. 01:32:28
That the developer on the east side is going to be building. So essentially we came into an agreement where instead of that money 01:32:29
just sitting. 01:32:33
We. 01:32:38
Mate, we're gonna make the. 01:32:38
The developer build block 6. 01:32:40
And when we're able to get through all our permitting. 01:32:43
We'll be able to. 01:32:46
Then have them pay the same amount of money that they used. 01:32:47
In building block 6 because then it brings in a park earlier to the city. 01:32:51
Rather than just holding that money. 01:32:56
And. 01:32:58
The developer building Block 6 at their own pace. We're helping them to get it done faster so we have a earlier park and this. 01:32:58
Block 6 is part of the whole overall plan and it's connected to, as you can see, the original improvement area. So it, you know, 01:33:07
part of this. 01:33:11
Massive linear. 01:33:16
Park system where you can. 01:33:18
Just get down from the train station and walk down to the beautiful lake parks that exist. 01:33:20
Can I ask just for my understanding of I'm trying to merge some of these plans together? Yeah, sure. 01:33:26
The microphone. 01:33:31
In the. 01:33:32
Bottom right corner there, just on the north side of the apartments. 01:33:34
Isn't. 01:33:38
I mean, because that's where they're building the overpass. 01:33:39
And then there's supposed to be the the roundabout there, correct? 01:33:43
Yes, OK. 01:33:46
I Does that interfere at all with the building of the park? I mean, because in my mind it looks like it take would take up, you 01:33:48
know? Yeah, I'm gonna show right here. That's it right here. 01:33:52
OK, so so the road would come, would go right in. 01:33:56
So that's it. Do you see it? Yeah. So that's going to be the bridge. 01:34:00
Right here in the bottom left, David, Yeah. 01:34:05
Bottom right here. 01:34:09
Oh sorry, I was looking at the page. 01:34:11
Was showing the property line. Property line comes down a little bit. 01:34:14
So this bridge takes up a portion of the bottom of the the park. 01:34:17
But the park would become that. 01:34:22
The majority? 01:34:23
Going north on that parcel. 01:34:25
Yeah, it would be helpful see a map with with that actually drawn in so you can see. 01:34:26
Because you have, you have. 01:34:31
Get a lot of grade in there too because you have that that. 01:34:33
Yeah. 01:34:39
Yeah. So as I mentioned earlier, this is all part of a connected park system that's going to make. 01:34:41
It easier for people to just get through the city, especially from the front runner station over to the. 01:34:46
To the lake and once we have people getting over to our lake. 01:34:52
They're going to spend money in the city where? 01:34:56
That's like, you know, dollars that we're having spent in our city. 01:34:58
That's economic development. We're having a lot more people. 01:35:02
Bringing dollars that are spent in our city. 01:35:05
So. 01:35:08
This is to give you an idea of how block 6 is going to look. 01:35:09
And I'm just going to jump it over at this point. 01:35:15
And this is going to be the South side of whatever I showed you on the north of the lake. 01:35:18
This is a project called the Bluffs of Vineyard. It is the property just to the West of Lakefront neighborhood. You can see the 01:35:23
clubhouse right here. A little back story on this. This is property. It's in between two pedestrian trails and then the lake. And 01:35:30
this was an area that was supposed to be engineered and landscaped by Edge Homes when they built this neighborhood. 01:35:36
And, and frankly they failed to do so and the city went into a settled with them at some point last year, which allocated $900,000 01:35:43
to the city to fix the grading and drainage problems that we are facing over there as well as playing the sound landscape, but and 01:35:49
bring some small amenities to the area. So Madison Reeds are planning tech. She's been the one kind of leading out this project 01:35:55
and and our public engagement efforts on this and has done a great job on it. As of right now we've. 01:36:01
Sent out an RFS queue that's a request for statement of qualifications to get bids from engineering firms, landscape firms to 01:36:07
essentially say that they're qualified to work on a project like this. And there's essentially twofold as I mentioned, the grading 01:36:12
and drainage. If you ever go there, you'll notice that water can puddle up and lots of issues there and then the the landscaping 01:36:17
is is a very big issue with. 01:36:22
Giant weeds and dead grass and stuff like that. And so we wanted to try and tackle that and make this really a beautiful. 01:36:28
Base for those residents that live here as well as those that visit Lake. 01:36:34
So is all the area in red in the map, is that all city land or is there any part of that that's FFSL land and we are working with 01:36:38
them on it? 01:36:41
I see. And so they would have to give you permits to do whatever you want to do, correct? Yep. 01:36:45
And we are working with them on that right now because I'm not sure how much. 01:36:48
Disturbing of that. 01:36:51
Land they're going to allow and that that's we're not, we're not disturbing. Like I said, the amenities we're talking about is 01:36:53
maybe a restroom, some benches, A potentially a sand volleyball court that we got a grant for. 01:36:58
And we are working hand in hand with FFSL to make sure that what we are proposing meets their standards and and moving forward to 01:37:03
that, we aren't going to do anything without their approval. We're not going to approve any kind of site plans or anything like 01:37:08
that and remove dirt until FFSL gives us the go ahead on it. 01:37:12
So I have right here you can kind of see the. 01:37:19
Yeah. I mean, and it's in their interest to maintain this, right? It's, it's a fire hazard, it's ugly. It's just going to be an 01:37:23
improvement for everybody. 01:37:27
And I know they have it. They like to keep things as natural as possible and so it would be disturbing all the natural foliage 01:37:32
there. 01:37:35
I mean. 01:37:38
And once again, we're going to go through that through all permitting, through all approvals. 01:37:39
Right. Absolutely. Absolutely. 01:37:45
Pretty regularly and it's just dead. 01:37:48
You're right. The winter time is dead. You're right. 01:37:51
Even in the spring, it's dirt. 01:37:53
I mean, you see this picture right here, This is what it looks like. It's, it's ugly. It's it's an issue. 01:37:55
And and we're not like I said, we aren't at all proposing to build this, you know, do this huge landscaping plan here. It's very 01:38:00
minimal what we're proposing, OK. 01:38:05
So here we did a town hall where we sent out a survey to residents. We held a town hall at the clubhouse. 01:38:12
We fired the entire lakefront neighborhood, said hey, we want to hear your input. What do you want to see right here? As you can 01:38:18
see, very, very minimal type of uses. 01:38:23
Open field space FFSL as opposed to just having big turf. 01:38:27
Field, So we can't really do that, but we could do native vegetation. 01:38:31
Yeah, the small ones. 01:38:35
Outdoor gym equipment potentially, as I mentioned, sand volleyball court, potentially like a disc golf court. All very minimal 01:38:38
impact to the area, but an improvement. 01:38:42
And as well as some safety features right there, you can see that that that area could definitely use some improved lighting. We 01:38:50
want to be sensitive of the neighboring residential. 01:38:53
But but that and then just make making sure that that trail made is is maintained. 01:38:57
You can see here the photos where we had some poster boards. We talked to a lot of residents there had great. 01:39:01
Great feedback at that meeting. 01:39:06
And then we also did an online survey as well where we pulled everybody in the city. I think it went out on all of our social 01:39:09
media channels. Just asking what is your input on on what we do in this this area? 01:39:14
So right now as I mentioned, we're just, we're reviewing all the statements for qualifications that we've received. Once we have 01:39:20
those, I believe the. 01:39:25
The process is to go to City Council for approval of a contract with one of these firms that we feel is the most adequate to. 01:39:29
Handle this, this project, Tucker Park. I don't want to get too into the weeds on. I know you guys dealt a whole lot on that last 01:39:37
week. 01:39:40
We just wanted to, you know, let you know that this is still a project that planning is working on and continues to be on our 01:39:43
radar of what we can do to provide some open space, green space for the residents of Tucker Row. 01:39:48
This is the Rachel. Our planner is the one who drew up this. 01:39:54
Draft site plan. 01:39:58
Is there a dog parking there? 01:40:00
But yet, potential dog park. 01:40:02
Where, Whereabouts were these? The brown space right there? 01:40:04
OK. Thank you. 01:40:07
Yeah, an economic development strategic plan. This is one that we've worked on over the past probably 2 years. 01:40:11
We have about $35,000 unspent that we're not going to use that. This is a document I don't want to get tuned to the weeds on right 01:40:17
now. It's ready for adoption. I will send it your way for review. This essentially just paints a picture of what does Vineyard 01:40:21
look like. 01:40:25
Economic wise, over the next 10 years, it we, we, we worked really closely with a firm called Leland Consulting. They did a retail 01:40:29
leakage analysis essentially saying where is money from Vineyard leaving the city, right, We want to try and capture. 01:40:36
Every penny that residents and vineyards are spending in Orem or Probe or whatever, we want them to spend that money here because 01:40:42
that helps. 01:40:45
Improve our city. 01:40:48
So that's a very important part of this document as well as it outlines a lot of strategies and goals of things that we can do. 01:40:49
Parker's mentioning kind of what is our outreach and this document outlines what can staff do better at outreach, what are the 01:40:54
targeted industries? 01:40:58
That that we can go talk to now that we can say we have Huntsman Cancer Institute coming now what you know, pharmaceutical 01:41:03
companies or laundromat like what are these services? 01:41:07
That are ancillary 2 Huntsmen that we can now target. 01:41:11
I'll send this out and you guys can review. I'd be happy to meet with any of you one-on-one or do a work session at council and go 01:41:15
over this but. 01:41:18
We're ready for adoption. 01:41:22
But I definitely want your input on it before and make any final edits before we do approve it. 01:41:24
This is. 01:41:30
That we've placed on hold. It's the Vineyard Connector overpass mural. It's a giant concrete wall. 01:41:32
The perspective you're looking at is kind of the dead end of Lakefront. 01:41:38
Neighborhood. 01:41:41
Essentially, we brought this up because we know that. 01:41:43
Blank concrete walls can attract a lot of graffiti if you've ever been to the underpass. 01:41:45
That takes you from the Tucker Rd. to the train station. 01:41:51
Constant graffiti problems there. We want to make sure that this area isn't really ugly for the lake. 01:41:54
Lakefront residents and cash just this. 01:41:59
The wall would be extending off of here, so the wall comes. 01:42:02
Will come quite a bit further. So this just shows what UDOT built. Yeah, yeah. 01:42:05
So is that circle on the? 01:42:10
Our left side is that. 01:42:13
Realistic. No. 01:42:15
How much bigger would you be? 01:42:16
I I don't know. I. 01:42:19
We have that rough plan that the Block 6 showed. I just wanted to show that that's where the roundabout ends. 01:42:21
Later. OK, I was going to say I can quickly find it if you want. 01:42:27
So once again, we had budgeted $45,000 for this, but the bridge isn't going to be completed so. 01:42:33
We are, you know, this is maybe the next two to 3-4 years that the council can kind of navigate this again and see if that's 01:42:38
something that they're interested in. We can, you know, see if graffiti does does become a problem. But we, we definitely want to 01:42:42
stay ahead of that if we can. 01:42:47
The rental program. I know this is another thing that the Council has talked quite a bit about in previous Council meetings. 01:42:53
Essentially this is something that Marie and I have been working on creating. It would be essentially a business license that all 01:42:59
property owners that rent their properties have to obtain. 01:43:04
And there are state law that mandates what what we can and can't do with this. And so we're making sure that that whatever we do 01:43:09
falls in line with that. We've drafted an ordinance that is ready for legal review. 01:43:14
That essentially, you know, we just want to make sure our legal team can verify that this meets state law but after that we. 01:43:20
We definitely want to have some public input here. We know that this could be a controversial matter as we do have a lot of 01:43:27
rentals in the city and we do want to hear from from as many people as we can on this. I have done some outreach to to some 01:43:33
landlords in the area to kind of gauge there and put on it. And a lot of them said it's kind of standard practice that that if 01:43:38
they have properties in Provo or ORM or whatever, they've had to get a license. It's it's not out of the ordinary. 01:43:44
So. 01:43:50
Creating a road map kind of how do we communicate this? How do we get public engagement on this? 01:43:51
We have this draft map as I show here that this map. 01:43:57
Cash. Yeah. You know how many? 01:44:00
Rental units we have. 01:44:02
By percentage compared to total volume of homes or residents, I would say we are probably 60% rentals. 01:44:04
I I haven't. 01:44:11
If you want, I'd be happy to come to a work session at a council meeting. I was just curious because I I have every neighborhood 01:44:12
broken down. The hard thing is is we don't know for sure what is a rental or not. What you see here on this map is essentially I 01:44:16
got. 01:44:20
All the records of properties. 01:44:24
In Vineyard. 01:44:25
And. 01:44:26
I sorted it by name, and if the name had an LLC, I assumed that could potentially be a rental. If the name had a mailing address 01:44:27
based out of Alpine, I assumed that could be a rental, right? If it's a duplicate value, so say if Morgan had two houses here in 01:44:32
Vineyard, I assumed one of them was a rental. Was. 01:44:36
Can't really have. 01:44:42
Two houses and live in both, right? So there's a lot of assumptions on this map. 01:44:42
But through those assumptions, I've shown that we're. 01:44:47
Were roughly 50 to 60% rental in the city. Some neighborhoods as you can see on the North End like the the Preserve and Lakefront 01:44:50
very high Locks and Tucker Rd. those are above 90% rentals. 01:44:55
So just a very, very high number benefits of this program is we can finally do it would just help with our enforcement with 01:45:01
occupancy when we get a complaint, we don't really have a mechanism to do inspections. Can you detail that how does it actually 01:45:07
help with enforcement? Because I guess the the problem that I have in my mind with it right now is similarly to. 01:45:13
Current code enforcement of fines. Unless there's a good legal mechanism and process in place to enforce it, there's no teeth 01:45:20
behind the program. 01:45:23
Yeah. So essentially what what would happen is if you did have a rental that that was out of compliance, we'd come request to do 01:45:27
an inspection. 01:45:30
If they deny that, then we just have to go work with our legal team. 01:45:34
And it's unfortunate. It's just, it's very hard, you know, I. 01:45:37
Heard at the last council meeting. There's a lot of talk of eviction. That's very hard for a city, especially our staff our size, 01:45:41
to handle anything like that. 01:45:45
And that this would not touch eviction, this would just be requiring a business license. And if if they fail to comply, we can 01:45:49
revoke their business license and that. 01:45:52
Can then be there can be associated fees with that. 01:45:55
And I would say that that's the main thing too, is is. 01:45:59
Requiring the permit, the permit gives the city the ability to to do do the inspections, whereas you're basically having to to 01:46:02
request to do an inspection before. It also gives you a kind of an inventory for for like what, what the impact is going to be for 01:46:08
each unit. So it helps you just be more organized from a city, city end. So it's just the hypothetical for for learning sake. I'm 01:46:14
happy to ask stupid questions and I like it. 01:46:20
So let's say I have a rental. 01:46:28
I don't get a. 01:46:30
A rental program. 01:46:32
Permit. 01:46:34
What happened? 01:46:36
Yeah, that's a great question. I went and interviewed, talked with the the person in Orem who who managed their program. It's 01:46:37
actually their finance director fell and their finance team for whatever reason. 01:46:42
But but they essentially said they, they believe they're probably 60% compliance. They know that there's lots of properties out 01:46:48
there that that don't have a license and they just work off of a complaint basis. There's very little we can do. 01:46:53
To force people to get a business license. But if we do get a complaint, you know, say you do have a rental, I would reach out to 01:46:58
you. Hey, Parker. 01:47:01
You know, we, we know you have this property here. 01:47:04
We believe this is a rental. If so, you do need to get a license. Here's our evidence we have. 01:47:06
You know, all this showing that somebody else lives there and it's not you. 01:47:12
Is there anything that you can? 01:47:15
Refute that with if not. 01:47:17
We are going to require your data license. If you don't then we are going to associate your. 01:47:18
Issue fines. 01:47:22
To you. 01:47:24
Yeah, I guess my. 01:47:25
And this is just we need to work with. 01:47:26
Legal. 01:47:29
Absolutely. I find the resident then and I say. 01:47:30
I'm not even going to answer that e-mail. 01:47:33
At that point, we at that point, we'd assumed that you were out of compliance and we would just issue the violation. But once 01:47:35
again, working very close with our legal team, we want to make sure what we're doing is, is, you know, according to state law and 01:47:39
our law. 01:47:43
We don't want to get any hot trouble and mostly most of all, we just want compliance. 01:47:48
And these are great questions and. 01:47:52
We probably should do more research with Provo and Orem because they have those set up. I know Cash and Maria have talked with 01:47:54
them, but specifically we could ask them like I'm the code enforcement end of things. Just one last what, what if question to help 01:47:59
me sort of understand it best. 01:48:04
So if we have a. 01:48:10
Someone who comes in and buys a home. 01:48:12
This here's a scenario some of guys. 01:48:15
You know, I've got a student. 01:48:18
Then I got some UVU here and I live in California. 01:48:19
I come, I come by this as an investment. So I have my placement, my students who live and and then they can put roommates in with 01:48:21
them and so forth and helps. 01:48:26
What would the student is the student like your son? Yeah, son or daughter, whatever you know. And anyway, you bring other other 01:48:30
people in with them. 01:48:33
And that's. 01:48:36
And you don't, you don't register with this the city. 01:48:38
And so. 01:48:40
But they're but you're out of your. You put in my 5 or 6 people there. We've definitely seen that before. 01:48:41
And and so. 01:48:46
What mechanism we have to find them so? 01:48:48
So correct, I asked warm that once again and they said if. 01:48:51
A license is required if the name of whoever's living there is not on the the loan or the the ownership of the home. So if it's 01:48:55
the son living there and the son and the father created an LLC or whatever and they're both on it. 01:49:00
They're fine. 01:49:06
Right. But if not, then they do have to get that license. 01:49:07
OK, well, fine. So. 01:49:09
Occupied, then it's correct. 01:49:12
Correct. 01:49:14
OK, but. 01:49:15
So four or five years down the line, Sons graduated. 01:49:17
I'm still, I still have my investment there. 01:49:20
Then once we get a complaint that the property is being rented out, will. 01:49:22
Issue of violation we posted. 01:49:25
A piece of paper on the door saying this. 01:49:27
Properties in violation. We send them letters, we send them certified mail. We have lots of way of reaching out and and generally 01:49:29
something like that is enough to scare the tenants to do something about it. 01:49:34
But if I live in California. 01:49:38
You can't reach me. And at that point we'd work with legal to put a lien on the home or whatever it may be and the point of sale 01:49:40
of the home. There might be $10,000 of fines that they have to. 01:49:44
To pay the city. 01:49:48
I mean, you're, you're always going to have the like, like Cash said, it's about 95% voluntary compliance. People will just 01:49:48
follow. But you, I mean, you always have the problematic ones that will work with the police and the city attorney and they're 01:49:54
just kind of a headache. But typically we do see. 01:49:59
Voluntary. So passing a lien is probably the only T3 we really have. 01:50:05
I was just. OK that helps, thanks. 01:50:09
Yeah. And talking with ORM, I don't believe that. 01:50:12
That they even mentioned the word eviction that they they do not do any of that. 01:50:14
As far as the rental program there goes. 01:50:18
And I just think that's a sticky business I don't think Vineyard right now wants to get into. 01:50:21
Agree. 01:50:26
Did he have something, Ezra? 01:50:29
Yeah, yeah. So yeah, the whole eviction conversation that's going to be. 01:50:31
Problematic not only from a. 01:50:35
Make law level, but federal law. 01:50:37
Yeah, it kind of goes back to that chart and really it comes down to how much. 01:50:40
We want to invest in. 01:50:45
The resources, the people that are going to be implementing us, so I think. 01:50:47
You know, we talked about. 01:50:50
Code enforcement officers and having. 01:50:52
Have a mission with team that would. 01:50:54
This parking by all those kind of things. 01:50:56
If you have a team that's in place, I can follow up and do more of that. 01:50:59
Like basically not just send a letter and then never have time to follow up on it. 01:51:03
You'll see a lot more compliance. 01:51:07
We have this as a regular. 01:51:09
Our operation offensive direction that. 01:51:11
That we're gonna go so. 01:51:13
It kinda just goes back to that chart of once once the fines get excessive enough. 01:51:14
That can become. 01:51:18
Whole thing that's over. 01:51:22
The Justice Court. 01:51:23
So one thing to note with this is we are conducting a disproportionate. 01:51:26
Service fee study that will relate to this we've talked about what would the license of this like this cost. We've benchmarked 01:51:31
everywhere in the state that we could find. They range anywhere from like $25 up to like $350.00 in some areas. 01:51:38
I don't want to be the one to come up with that number. And so we've been working with design Public Finance on another topic, but 01:51:45
also on this to figure out what's a fair cost for that fee. Essentially, what is the disproportionate fee to the city that these 01:51:50
rentals are costing us? 01:51:55
So speaking, which next slide is that just? 01:52:01
Oh, and just. 01:52:05
As you guys are working through that study, I have to share my opinion on. 01:52:07
I would love to see. 01:52:10
Kind of scaled on the impact. 01:52:14
So if it's like if you've got. 01:52:15
You know, homeowner. 01:52:17
Family living there. 01:52:18
They're renting out their basement. 01:52:19
To, you know, one person or two people. 01:52:21
And the field somehow. 01:52:24
The fee somehow captures. 01:52:26
The potential for. 01:52:27
New sensor violations, I think. I think that would be as fair as. 01:52:29
Yeah. So the unique thing about the disproportionate service fee is. 01:52:34
The study has to be. 01:52:37
Collected from data or used data that is collected from your ******. So one Rd. block we're running into is they want a year of 01:52:39
data for police or fire calls. So something like a hotel. We just opened up this Lavoie Suites. We were worried that this might 01:52:44
have a big impact on our public safety. 01:52:49
Unfortunately, because it's only been up. 01:52:54
Open for. 01:52:56
A few months now they can't include that in the study because they don't have enough data to show. 01:52:57
How much impact does this have? But something like Maverick does right where where it's been around for a long time, we can say. 01:53:01
X amount of police calls and. 01:53:07
Medical calls are related to this maverick. Their business license is now going to cost X amount more than right now. I think it's 01:53:08
$25 for renewal, right? 01:53:13
When in some areas a convenience store that sells liquor might be like $5000 for a business license. 01:53:17
Because of the increased. 01:53:23
Cost of public safety. 01:53:24
That that business brings to the city. 01:53:26
And so that being said, with the. 01:53:30
Going back to the rental program, it might be hard for them. 01:53:33
Looking at our data to essentially say what type of impact do these rentals have when we have a big variety of rentals, whether 01:53:36
it's Adus, whether it's multiple families living in one unit, whether it's, you know, whatever it may be, it might be hard to 01:53:41
differentiate that, but. 01:53:46
We'll see if we can get that data from. 01:53:51
Design Public finance. 01:53:54
So what is the basis for for you? 01:53:55
Go ahead. 01:53:58
All I was going to say is if they can't get that data. 01:54:00
I'll just signal to my other council members now that this is a work session that I would be. 01:54:03
Highly in favor of trying to have some sort of. 01:54:08
Like different. 01:54:10
Stories for business lines and I. 01:54:11
Are the same impact on the city? 01:54:14
We can obviously vote for for whatever fees. Yeah, I totally agree. 01:54:17
So anything that kind of. 01:54:22
Captures that that's just kind of where my heads at as we're thinking about this. 01:54:23
This is a question that Ezra's comment just actually brought up for me. 01:54:27
I understand. 01:54:31
That in state code. 01:54:32
There are protections. 01:54:35
For businesses that operate out of a home. 01:54:36
For example, if you operate out of your home. 01:54:40
And you primarily do business online. You don't sell physical products. You're not required to get a municipal business license, 01:54:42
correct? 01:54:45
I would maybe. 01:54:51
Think that we need to look into that because I would. 01:54:52
Assume. 01:54:54
That, depending on how that is written, it would actually protect somebody who's just renting the property. 01:54:56
Because there's not a tangible asset exchange. So so there there's specific there is specific state code regarding rental 01:55:00
properties and the requirement for a landlord license. 01:55:05
And as I said. 01:55:11
Probably I've. 01:55:12
Researched a dozen different cities that have. 01:55:14
A landlord license that requires this? Yeah. So I know they exist like I've talked to. 01:55:16
About theirs, I've talked to ORM about theirs a little bit, so I'm. 01:55:21
Gaining familiarity and I'm just curious about how those things. 01:55:24
Are written. 01:55:27
Sure, sure. Making sure that it's compliant, yeah. And once again, that's why we are very grateful to have legal review on all of 01:55:29
these matters to make sure we're compliant with state code. 01:55:33
So finishing up with the disproportionate service fee. 01:55:40
As I mentioned, we've contracted resigns. Public finance data collection is currently underway. I've been working hand in hand 01:55:44
with Kelly. 01:55:47
On We've had to analyze a lot of stuff with our businesses. We've had to work closely with Holden in the Sheriff's Office as well 01:55:50
as warm fire, as well as all the schools in the area. We've worked with all the elementary schools and the. 01:55:56
Sorry, that's actually for the next one, but. 01:56:02
Essentially we're sending that data once we have that data a month out. 01:56:05
We should hopefully have what this fee would look like and then we'd have that for the council to adopt and, and you can adopt A 01:56:08
certain percentage, it might come back with a crazy amount for these businesses. But if you want to say, hey, we're business 01:56:12
friendly. We don't want to charge hotels X amount. We're going to just say we're going to. 01:56:17
Except 50% of the disproportionate service fee or whatever it may be. 01:56:23
One more aspect about this too in bottom even some time. 01:56:27
I don't know how to address this, and maybe there's not a way to do it to address it. 01:56:31
You know, the state is telling us that we have a housing crisis, and the crisis we have is not necessarily that we need more. 01:56:35
Low cost apartments. 01:56:40
Type housing. 01:56:42
Rather we need we need to entry level. 01:56:43
Homeownership. Sure. 01:56:45
And so. 01:56:47
What what bothers me is it. 01:56:48
We have a lot of. 01:56:49
Entry level homes. 01:56:51
In our city. 01:56:53
Well, we have probably a larger. 01:56:54
Concentration in other places. 01:56:56
And. 01:56:58
They're they're being bought by investors and absolutely. 01:56:59
And and yet we have, you know, Utah cities are as building apartments, and they're having trouble filling them. 01:57:01
How do we how do we get the singles? 01:57:07
Where we want the singles. 01:57:08
Essentially it's through mechanisms like parking, unfortunately, if you can restrict parking and that deincentivize the the 01:57:10
structure for rentals, right. If I own a condo in lakefront that has three bedrooms and I could fit a fourth person in that in 01:57:15
that master bedroom. 01:57:20
I can collect, you know. 01:57:26
$500 per person. I'm bringing in $2000 a month on my. 01:57:27
$1000 mortgage but if we can restrict that parking, say hey you only have two parking stalls. 01:57:30
You know that then. 01:57:35
Perfect example, my wife and I, we live in the preserve we have. 01:57:37
Three technically 3 parking stalls. It's perfect for us, right? It was a perfect entry level home for us. It's been great. We have 01:57:40
adequate parking for our needs. 01:57:43
But that's But if you have a free for all on parking, investors come in and say hey, you can park wherever you want. 01:57:48
There's really no constraints there, right? And so that's always been the city's response with parking is that is right now the 01:57:54
only mechanism we have to control occupancy is parking. But now this landlord program will hopefully take that burden off where 01:57:58
now we can do these inspections on some of these townhomes and condos say hey, you are over occupied, you need to come into 01:58:03
compliance and that. 01:58:07
You know, in a few years might bring in more. 01:58:12
Owner, owner occupancy rather than outside investors. But unfortunately it's the system we live in where real estate is an 01:58:16
investment and people will buy it up and there's very little the city can do to to stop that from happening. Some developments as 01:58:21
we'll go into they've. 01:58:26
We can work it out with the developer that they will retain for or they will only sell to first time home buyers or something like 01:58:32
that. There are certain mechanisms you can do early on. 01:58:37
But uh. 01:58:42
And, and I believe there was talks with with Lakefront when it was originally proposed to do that, but it's up to the HOA and the 01:58:43
the developer to sell those properties that way and. 01:58:47
Once the developments built the city. 01:58:51
Hands are pretty tight on what they can do. 01:58:53
The. 01:58:59
All that, yeah. 01:59:02
You know we're fine. 01:59:03
Statewide, we had a huge. 01:59:04
Shortage rentals. 01:59:05
We're only having 2 to 3% vacancy and rental statewide. 01:59:07
And now with the reason booming, a lot more high density units being built statewide. 01:59:11
We can get onto a normal vacancy level and a rental units. 01:59:17
Again, this is statewide data. 01:59:21
But. 01:59:22
Actually come down over the past two years where home prices still haven't. 01:59:24
And so the more that we can, you know. 01:59:28
From a video perspective, kind of looking at just our local economy. 01:59:31
Anything we can do to lower? 01:59:34
Rental cost. 01:59:36
Will eventually make it impossible to. 01:59:37
One time possible it was deincentivized renting out homes. 01:59:40
If we get enough rental units to kind of make up for that. 01:59:45
Ezra can. 01:59:48
I think you misspoke and it just. 01:59:52
I'm confused now. 01:59:55
If you lower. 01:59:57
Rental cost. 01:59:59
You aren't disincentivizing rentals, you're incentivizing rentals. 02:00:00
Was that what were you trying to say there? 02:00:05
So by building more like. 02:00:08
Traditional rental units, so so the more apartments, the more town halls, the more properties that are. 02:00:10
Are more suited for rentals. 02:00:15
The more that those costs are going to go down, correct? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. More supply, less demand, but that's not 02:00:17
disincentivizing rental. 02:00:21
Yeah, so the home. 02:00:26
You know that's where. 02:00:28
Those the people that are currently renting a home because it's cheaper to do 500 per bedroom and get. 02:00:30
You know, a little chunk out of the single family home and that's a nicer. 02:00:36
Weather, environment. If you get the rentals to mention me like hey we can offer a 2 bedroom rental unit. 02:00:40
For the same prices. 02:00:43
You know, one one bedroom out of a single family home. 02:00:45
That's when the market will start to kind of correct. 02:00:48
Get people out of those units that are built more for. 02:00:51
Families. 02:00:54
You know the right size. 02:00:55
Of that because people like. 02:00:57
You would assume people would rather have their own space if the price made sense. 02:00:59
Versus sharing with four strangers. 02:01:03
I think that you're. 02:01:06
Probably. 02:01:08
80% correct. 02:01:09
But the point that David. 02:01:11
Was just making a moment ago though. 02:01:13
Is the nuance right? Supply and demand in a market isn't. 02:01:15
Strictly. 02:01:19
Don't. It's not applicable to all housing units at once. 02:01:20
Right, because people are in the market for different types of housing. 02:01:24
So you're always going to have the subsection of people that prefer the single family home and that's what they seek. 02:01:28
Over. 02:01:34
The apartments, it doesn't matter how many apartments you build, those people are not going to choose to move into an apartment 02:01:35
because that's not what they're actually in the market for. That's not what they demand. 02:01:39
Yeah, I I agree. So on a large scale, I was just saying on a large scale. 02:01:46
The more the more housing units you build in general. 02:01:50
Will help to right size the problem because eventually you'll hit a point. 02:01:54
Where the right? 02:01:58
Units become more attractive than the single family homes. 02:01:59
For the people that are currently renting. 02:02:02
Family homes on an individual basis. 02:02:05
And so like, like people. 02:02:07
Stay wide or like why are we building so many apartments? The apartments are. 02:02:10
Like not need it because that's not. 02:02:14
Yeah, we're trying to get more single family homes. 02:02:16
But the more apartments you build. 02:02:18
Eventually, that's going to bring a. 02:02:20
Cost of the apartments down. 02:02:22
Where people like. 02:02:24
Half of you know when we. 02:02:25
Half of these neighborhoods that have perfectly good single family homes. 02:02:27
If we can get that existing supply of single family homes. 02:02:30
Two single families by. 02:02:33
Making it more attract. 02:02:35
For single people to go and get the rentals instead. 02:02:37
For the apartments or the town home units that are more designed for rentals instead. 02:02:40
That's when you'll start to see. 02:02:44
By creating apartments can actually help the supply of single family homes. 02:02:46
Yeah, this is this is true. 02:02:52
You just have to. 02:02:54
Incentivize them so much through so much supply that they are essentially so much cheaper. 02:02:55
That someone would. 02:03:01
Choose to sacrifice what they actually want for the. 02:03:02
Apartment or the condo? 02:03:06
It's the economic theory of competing goods. 02:03:07
Yeah. And again, that's not going to be a problem that Vineyard on its own can solve. 02:03:12
My vineyard has done more than its fair share of. 02:03:16
Of building multi family housing. 02:03:20
And so that's where. 02:03:22
Like the rest of the state continuing to. 02:03:24
To become a more. 02:03:26
Would like to continue to just meet the needs of the market like. 02:03:27
Any development is going to help. 02:03:30
Lower the cost of housing. 02:03:32
As a whole, but it's going to take years. 02:03:34
Years to to try to catch up and so just. 02:03:36
Just like having government incentives to build single family homes is not going to solve the problem. 02:03:39
Nearly as quickly as just. 02:03:44
Focusing on increasing the supply. 02:03:45
It's more of just me. 02:03:47
And the pontificating about the philosophical nature of housing development being. 02:03:49
Different communities not. 02:03:55
Doing what Vineyard has done to. 02:03:57
To try to help the problem. 02:03:59
And maybe maybe I mean conversation to. 02:04:02
Have at another work session or. 02:04:04
I don't know if we'll go over it later in this. 02:04:07
But then you run into the conversation about. 02:04:10
What's the actual growth? 02:04:14
Goal for Vineyard as a whole moving forward and is it just? 02:04:16
Keep building units, keep building units trying to drop the price, because the more you do that, the more. 02:04:20
Inefficient you become if you're just growing for growth sake. 02:04:25
So anyways, separate thought, but maybe we talk about that another time. 02:04:28
Yeah. I don't want to keep you guys longer than what this meeting was was scheduled for. Have quite a few slides here to get 02:04:32
through current planning projects, get you up to speed on where we're at with developments. A lot of these are some pretty 02:04:37
exciting projects that we're working on just to give a brief overview. 02:04:42
This is kind of the review process of when somebody who owns buys a piece of land and they want to develop it, here's what they 02:04:47
have to go through. Everything you see in green, that's the plan the the community development team, owning that application, 02:04:52
taking it through and and getting it to a building permit level. 02:04:58
This is a lot more detailed. 02:05:04
Kind of give you an idea of those. Once again, we'll send you these slides so you can have this, but this gives like how long 02:05:06
these applications are active for and whatnot. 02:05:10
Here's a list of these applications. I won't say too long on here because we have. 02:05:14
The next slide I go into detail on each one of these. We have the forge in Intermountain Healthcare. It's 44 acres, 10 acres is 02:05:19
is. 02:05:22
Essentially going to be owned by in around healthcare. They only own 5 there. 02:05:26
Working on on purchasing that northeast corner and and we'll be going through development agreement amendment here in the next few 02:05:29
months. 02:05:33
The the forge itself 100 units for how many square feet of commercial. 02:05:37
Do you remember? 02:05:43
That first phase would be 40,040 thousand square feet of entertainment and commercial up in the top right. Yeah. 02:05:44
They're, they're also going to be coming through the development agreement amendment essentially right now they're they're. 02:05:51
Code their their agreement requires an entertainment anchor to be built very first before they can build any retail, commercial or 02:05:56
residential. They're having a hard time landing that anchor, so they're saying let's reserve this block right here that I have 02:06:01
labeled for entertainment and let us build the commercial space in the residential. 02:06:06
And as that builds out, we will then start on, you know, reapproaching some of these entertainment uses. 02:06:12
One acre park being dedicated to the city. Right by top goal there this part. 02:06:19
The X. 02:06:23
Does X development still? 02:06:24
Own that. No, this is all Dakota Pacific real estate. Gotcha. 02:06:26
So. 02:06:30
Hold away field. 02:06:32
Anthony's baby here. 02:06:33
All right, so the holdover fields development is also under. 02:06:35
A development agreement and. 02:06:39
We're looking to have about 295. 02:06:41
Single family units come in there in the development agreement. We're able to land 3 parks. 02:06:44
You know, for this development, it will be coming in as well. I mean the development comes with. 02:06:51
An age restricted you know neighborhood as well which would come with. 02:06:56
Senior housing clubhouse with some amenities. 02:07:02
They would also, as part of the development agreement, need to connect into the existing. 02:07:06
City system, be it roads, utilities and trails. 02:07:11
As it stands now, we have just a few buildings. 02:07:16
Built and we. 02:07:20
These are the parks that. 02:07:22
I have been negotiated in to give you better. 02:07:24
Visualization. This is how it's been spread out in the entire development. 02:07:27
For orientation. 02:07:31
This E park here. 02:07:33
Has. 02:07:35
This is how it looks right now, and it is an opportunity for you to decide. 02:07:37
On if you want to keep some historic structures there, the previous council had, you know, expressed some interest in keeping some 02:07:41
of these silos as part of. 02:07:46
A park design or some way just to tell a history of the city in that area? 02:07:51
We have. 02:07:58
An application in for an amendment of the development agreement, which essentially is requesting to have a lot of the faces moved 02:07:59
around in a way that. 02:08:04
Allows them to keep progressing easier according to the market. 02:08:10
Based on analysis that the developer has presented so far. 02:08:14
I'll turn it over to cash at this point. 02:08:21
Morgan already brushed up on these ones either live work units just South of the Center St. overpass kind of give you a visual of 02:08:23
what they look like. They're the ones with the the retail commercial component on the ground floor. They there are relatively like 02:08:27
small commercial spaces. 02:08:31
Great. Great incubator space and as he mentioned, great to build a good relationship with each of these users. Kelly's working 02:08:36
closely with the the developer there as well as other communities to understand how do we properly license these. 02:08:42
And they all have these little central. 02:08:48
Courtyards that will just be really great amenity to the community. 02:08:50
And they they will be a part of the Orchards development, so they'll have access to their clubhouse as well as all the street 02:08:54
parking there on Vineyard Rd. 02:08:57
This is Ms. Properties, so this is the corner of 1600 N and Geneva Rd. As Morgan mentioned, this is 1,000,000 square feet of flex 02:09:03
office industrial space as well as 17,000 square feet of office space. It's a major, major player in the valley that's wanting to 02:09:08
relocate their headquarters here to Vineyard. This would be an awesome opportunity for the city where, you know, each, each one of 02:09:13
these parking spaces is somebody coming to work and, and hopefully going to our shops, eating at our restaurants, whatever it may 02:09:18
be, living in our community. 02:09:23
And so we're very eager to get moving on this one. It's very much on the preliminary stages. We're working with the developer on a 02:09:29
traffic impact study. As you can imagine, this would have a big impact on our roadway network, especially the 1600 N and Geneva 02:09:35
Rd. light. I don't know if you've ever seen the traffic there, but it can back up quite a bit. 02:09:40
So we're working with them on that, but but awesome, awesome opportunity. And then in the top right, you'll see it's labeled 02:09:46
Ironwood. 02:09:50
That's another office building that they are. 02:09:53
Taking through the site plan process, they have intended for a medical user in the area. However medical is not permitted and so 02:09:56
they will have to go through zoning text amendment to change for that use to allow for medical use in in that zone. 02:10:02
Utah City downtown, we could probably schedule a whole 2 1/2 hour meeting to talk about this development with everything going on 02:10:10
there. I have a very simple graphic here showing kind of where we're at in development there. The green is that promenade space 02:10:14
red. 02:10:18
Squares are constructed in open buildings. 02:10:23
Gray is parking, blue is under construction, and then Orange is going through the site plan process. 02:10:26
So some exciting things. We do have a. 02:10:33
The Utah City Racket Club will be opening up this spring, as well as Block 5 of the park. Finney's Pizza and Cafe will also be 02:10:35
opening up right next to Bella's Market, which will be a great restaurant. 02:10:41
And they recently just went through and got approval for some of these large restaurant and then ten kind of small shops around it 02:10:47
that would be located in Block 4 of the Promenade or the Green Line. 02:10:53
And then in purple, you have Huntsman Cancer Institute. I don't know if there's any questions specifically on this. I'm sure you 02:10:59
guys are all pretty aware of this project, but happy to go over that. But here's some numbers that they're proposing or they're 02:11:04
predicting for this development in the in the future. 02:11:09
I have to see the 17,000. 02:11:17
Residential units that are part of the HTRZ. 02:11:19
So that's just within the square footage here. 02:11:23
And just the parts that are colored. 02:11:26
So that everything that you see in blue, that that's what's under construction, that's included some of those units right now, I 02:11:29
think we're 500 or something like that. Units between block 5 and block 6, as far as how much they build, that's all dictated 02:11:33
according to the code that they do have some density requirements and some height limitations, but for the most part like near the 02:11:38
train station. 02:11:43
There is no height restrictions. I'd encourage you to read through that code or come sit down and meet with any of us planners. 02:11:48
We'd be happy to walk you through that code and and go over kind of what they they are allowed to build essentially what they're 02:11:53
hoping is with these. 02:11:57
Parking lots. As you can see, that takes a lot of their land right there. 02:12:02
They essentially in the next few years want to convert those to parking garages. Build on top of them. 02:12:05
But we do hold them to the the parking minimums for the area. 02:12:10
Are the that's all parking that is built? 02:12:14
So as you can see, 3132 parking stalls are currently under construction or built. One thing to bring to your attention with this 02:12:17
development is the parking study that will need to be taking place. In our code we have it at 500,025 and I think 5000 units. 02:12:24
Don't quote me on those numbers, but a parking study has to be taking place. 02:12:30
Where the city and the developer have to agree on a firm to essentially come out and analyze the parking for the area they're 02:12:37
going to look at. Are people who live in Utah City parking where they should be? Are they parking at Lakefront? Are they parking 02:12:41
at the train station? 02:12:44
Do we have enough parking? 02:12:48
What, what should those numbers be? And it's going to right size our code or right size of the parking. So that's something that 02:12:50
will be coming to the city councils purview in the next few months. We, we want to make sure that the code says 500 certificates 02:12:55
of occupancy, which they have, but we want to make sure that those units are actually occupied. So we actually understand what 02:13:01
that looks like. We don't want to undershell the actual situation there. 02:13:06
Can I ask? Yeah. 02:13:12
You know, something you and I had previously talked about was. 02:13:14
The actual code for parking stalls. 02:13:17
And you mentioned that this one is. 02:13:21
Following. 02:13:24
The code for the development, so I'm assuming that this one then has a different or a variance or something like that. 02:13:25
But I'm looking at that and I'm thinking, you know, if you add the 500 units that are already done. 02:13:31
You're well under, you know. 02:13:36
2 parking stalls per unit average. Can you explain what so the 18 seven that might be? 02:13:38
Included built not just under construction, but built or under construction. But yeah, so essentially I. 02:13:44
I'll send you a link to the code, but essentially it's calculus, right? It's it's yeah, we take number of bedrooms and I saw right 02:13:49
yeah, you get the subtraction for the bike and being correct the train station correct. I mean, there's I think the last time I 02:13:55
looked at that it came down to be something like. 02:14:00
They were only required to have. 02:14:05
8 stalls per. 02:14:07
Room, so it probably maybe at the maximum discount. 02:14:10
Right. That would be true. But but these buildings that we've built, I don't know the exact number, but I believe that they were 02:14:14
over 1.5 per. 02:14:17
That they were building and, and, and frankly, it's in there. It's in their best interest to provide adequate parking, right, If 02:14:21
they're having a hard time renting and they don't have adequate parking. 02:14:26
There's the occupancy per unit is a lot less. 02:15:01
And and and there's less parking problems, but the ones that don't have parking management, that's where we have all the issues. 02:15:04
Understood. 02:15:10
Thank you. 02:15:11
Here's the green line. As you can see the block 4, you can kind of see the retail component there. 02:15:14
We already. 02:15:19
Went over this in detail. 02:15:20
Huntsman cancer too they they do have a great website I could send you a link to it if you just search. Huntsman Cancer Institute 02:15:22
Vineyard you can you can get all the updates there. 02:15:26
Great information. But they're looking to be complete by the, I think the early summer of 2028 to have phase one of their project 02:15:30
complete, which is a really, really exciting opportunity for the city. 02:15:35
The yard this, you know, you're all very well aware of this development. You can see in the light blue boxes that's the 02:15:44
undeveloped partials. They still have 3 partials there that they've received approval for that they could construct. We haven't 02:15:49
heard anything from them as far as what they're wanting to do with those yet and then. 02:15:55
In the top that green box there, that's the the residential building that they do have approval on. 02:16:01
Haven't haven't heard from them in a minute on on that, but. 02:16:07
You know we we do have a great working relationship with ex dev. 02:16:10
And then I think right now there are three vacant. 02:16:16
Buildings that essentially, you know, one of those live work units, somebody could move into that. 02:16:19
We have bird development. This is one that. 02:16:25
Earlier this week on Hey, this is what we're thinking. 02:16:57
Let's analyze code. Make sure this meets. 02:17:00
And so. 02:17:02
That's kind of where we're at with that, if I. 02:17:03
We find that this meets code. 02:17:06
We're going to be happy to to work with the council on. 02:17:07
If this is what works in this area, they aren't proposing any housing or anything like that for the site. 02:17:10
I think this is the last side. 02:17:18
So ordinance updates, so this is something that we do periodically in our departments. We re examine our zoning code. We want to 02:17:20
make sure that. 02:17:24
The document itself is meeting. 02:17:27
World expectations with development or whatever at Parker. Great example is when you worked with me on the chickens right 02:17:30
Vineyard, you couldn't have chickens. 02:17:34
Huge egg crisis. They were costing so much. 02:17:38
Parker reached out saying hey. 02:17:40
Let's allow chickens in the city, right? So I worked with him in the council way back what in 2021 or something 20/22/2021 and and 02:17:41
now we allow chickens and so. 02:17:46
Essentially, we keep a running list of these ordinances that we're constantly wanting to update. And this is just feedback we want 02:17:51
to hear from the council. Is, is how often do you want to see these come before the council? Do you want this to be a quarterly 02:17:55
thing, a biannually thing? Like how often do you want to see these? Some of them, if it's an applicant initiated, we're going to 02:17:59
run it through the. 02:18:03
Process. 02:18:08
And it'll be faster, but you know, the ones that staff find. 02:18:09
You know, we're happy to work with the council on on. 02:18:12
Keeping that updated. 02:18:15
Are sexually oriented businesses and massage therapy specifically listed because they're not submitted under our code? So no those 02:18:16
we actually are ready. 02:18:20
We actually kind of need an answer from council and when you're ready to review that, Kelly's been working on updating our 02:18:24
ordinance on that. 02:18:27
And so. 02:18:31
That's one update we have ready to go. We could have it at council and. 02:18:31
After Republican notice it, what is that for or against? I mean are they so if I can so how how how how it works in state code? 02:18:35
You have to allow. 02:18:44
Though somewhere in your city. 02:18:45
And so if you, if you don't, if you don't say where they're allowed, then the then basically they can go wherever there's 02:18:47
commercial. And So what this code does is it. 02:18:51
Basically pigeonholes them. I think it's in the industrial district. Well, so that was the zoning code. This is a municipal code 02:18:56
that changes some some aspects. I'm not as familiar with it. OK, I was about to look at that. But I think it does like the the 02:19:00
definitions of stuff. But yeah, essentially it locks them into the industrial district. That's how the code is written now. Yeah. 02:19:05
And so that. 02:19:09
That was part of it, yeah. 02:19:14
So Kelly, I'll have her e-mail you guys out. She has kind of a handout on this about why, why we need to get this update in our 02:19:16
municipal code. This is one thing if it's municipal code, it doesn't go through Planning Commission. It just goes straight to the 02:19:22
council for review and adoption. And I believe she's had, she might have had the former attorney review it. She might want to, we 02:19:28
can have Jesse reviewed as well to make sure he has no problems with it as well. 02:19:33
And I think that's. 02:19:40
All that we have. So if there's any questions about anything we reviewed, we have. 02:19:42
12 minutes to spare so. 02:19:46
That the code. 02:19:48
The umm. 02:19:50
Sexually oriented business. 02:19:52
Code as soon as it's ready. Just you know. 02:19:53
Good on the agenda. OK, I'll, I'll instruct Kelly to work on that. It was thoroughly reviewed by the by the last attorney. So 02:19:56
maybe just have Jesse do a quick run through. Yeah, make sure, Yeah. So get it ready when it's all ready. 02:20:02
Put on the agenda, I don't think, I don't see anyone objecting to it. We just want to get advice from the council on on what you 02:20:08
like to see with this kind of stuff. 02:20:11
Will you e-mail that to us with the slides and everything? 02:20:16
The the whole presentation. 02:20:18
Or what? 02:20:20
Sorry. So there's a couple things. 02:20:21
You mentioned you'd e-mail us. 02:20:22
Let me slides. 02:20:24
Would you also e-mail the? 02:20:25
10 year economic development plan. 02:20:28
That you referenced in here and then. 02:20:30
Any of the proposed changes? 02:20:33
For code. 02:20:35
That you have including this, would you include in the e-mail? I don't know if we have any. I mean, there's some minor ones. So 02:20:37
for example, with the development review committee, it does say the city manager has a seat at that and the city manager is the 02:20:42
one who signs Platts. We kind of have a problem with that now. And so I've talked with Jesse and he said. 02:20:48
That right now the mayor can can handle that. And so we might want to make minor tweaks to the code like that, but right now we're 02:20:53
not. But we we and I think we have the ongoing. So they like the accessory structures. Yeah. But but we're not ready for that. 02:20:57
That's what I'm saying, yeah. 02:21:02
Yeah. 02:21:06
Are you involved at all in? 02:21:10
The creation or designation of impact fees. 02:21:15
Not necessarily. A lot of that actually is is handled by Naseem. So something like the the public safety master plan. 02:21:18
In order to have an impact fee, you have to have a master plan that it relates to in a study. So we handle the master plan. 02:21:24
Rachel, our planner, drafted. It all works. 02:21:28
Really well withholding on that. 02:21:32
Once we have that plan in place, that essentially outlines saying in the next 10. 02:21:35
20-30 years or whatever. Here's our needs. 02:21:38
And then we can work with a firm like Zions Public Finance to say. 02:21:41
If you're going to need X amount of officers or firemen, you're going to need. 02:21:44
X amount and impact fees. 02:21:49
OK, so. 02:21:50
We just kind of handle the first half of that and that's you know, one of the reasons why we do these these master plans is so 02:21:51
that we can have impact fees. 02:21:55
So can I just ask why? Why do we need to bring a firm in to? 02:21:58
Calculate how many. 02:22:02
But the fee should be. I'm not qualified to do that. 02:22:03
That's. I don't know if it seems to me it's a. 02:22:08
Yeah, I probably required by state law, I would imagine. So you have to have a third party do it 'cause I'm thinking. 02:22:11
You know it's math, right? 02:22:16
Yeah, that's a good point is, I mean, these fees are minimal. So for example, the the parks and rec master or impact fees is, I 02:22:24
want to say it's like $2500 per housing unit that gets built, right? That's not a small number. And so we want to be able to 02:22:30
defend where did we get that number from? We don't want it to be like cash to the planner. 02:22:35
Wrote down what he thinks this cost is going to be. We actually went to a firm that does this and, and you'll see signs well, 02:22:40
finance or LRB, many others do these studies for cities all throughout the states. It's a very common practice. They, they, I was 02:22:47
assigned, they do get challenged quite a bit too. So I spent 30 years of the psychometrician building tests that would be legally 02:22:53
defensible and so forth and figure out costs and so forth along with that and design things that hold up to scrutiny. 02:22:59
Seems to me that we. 02:23:06
It wasn't that hard. 02:23:07
I'm just, I'm surprised that we don't have that kind of. 02:23:08
Expertise here in the city. 02:23:12
I. 02:23:13
I'd be happy to provide some random number, but but I. 02:23:16
What 111 example of this David is is. 02:23:20
I is is the parking permit fee? Somebody asked me to calculate what would this be right? 02:23:22
And so I tried my best to calculate. Here's how much staff time is required. Here's the printing for these passes. Here's. 02:23:27
All of this that goes into this and people were upset with that number, right? 02:23:33
Because I showed this is what the cost of doing business is with the city, right? And so having an actual firm rather than just 02:23:36
some planner named cash doing it. 02:23:40
It's good to have a family for the legal child. The impact fees get challenged and once again, it's really outside of our scope of 02:23:44
work. It goes to to NASIM or others that handle that like the finance team. 02:23:49
I would be happy to help you with preliminary at least because I I do, I did statistical analysis for all these different things 02:23:54
and. 02:23:57
And so I'm familiar with the processes. 02:24:00
I think the argument. 02:24:03
David, if you're in part, you're part of the. 02:24:05
Sorry, as we're talking over each other. 02:24:08
You want to go ahead. 02:24:10
Oh, sorry. 02:24:13
I just not to mention it's cheaper these impact. 02:24:14
These studies, we have to do them. 02:24:16
Once every seven years in order to to charge index pay. 02:24:18
And so. 02:24:21
Having somebody on staff. 02:24:23
With expertise in each of these different fee areas. 02:24:24
And do these studies every seven years is just not. 02:24:28
I mean, you have to find somebody really good and pay them like a full time wage as opposed to just paying for a one time study 02:24:32
every seven years. So that that's another benefit too from a financial perspective. 02:24:37
I would have argued. 02:24:42
I would. 02:24:44
Argued or assumed that largely. 02:24:45
The legal defensibility of it comes from it being a third party, because if you're inside of the organization, of course you can 02:24:47
justify charging more easier. 02:24:52
If that makes sense. 02:24:57
So I think there might be some. 02:24:59
Legal necessity there to take it somewhere else. 02:25:01
And and frankly something like the the public safety impact fee that. 02:25:04
I think we have budgeted 15,000. I think that's right where Zion Public Finance came in on their bid. 02:25:07
That's going to be made-up. 02:25:12
It's so fast with these impact fees that we are able to charge. 02:25:14
Right. So essentially there is a small cost up front of it, but then in the end we are able to make up that fee. 02:25:18
Through the fee itself. 02:25:24
Thank you. 02:25:33
Ezra, Zach, do you guys have any? 02:25:35
Questions. 02:25:37
See if anybody texts. No, I'm all good. Thanks guys. 02:25:40
Cool. 02:25:45
Are you good, David? 02:25:46
Well, good. 02:25:48
I was going to say, David, I can show you the roundabout here. 02:25:49
I don't have a gavel, but can I? 02:25:52
We're officially ending this meeting at. 02:25:58
That's is the clock functional over there. 02:26:02
253. 02:26:05
That's good enough. 02:26:09