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	Where you're replaced.	00:01:01
	The new Delta.	00:01:04
	Right, right. Yeah, We didn't case him.	00:01:06
	Absolutely.	00:01:11
	So much more little.	00:01:13
	Or from the townhouse to a.	00:01:14
	Four Beijing house. Do you?	00:01:16
	Yeah, umm.	00:01:18
	Especially having a garage, it's nice to have a domain.	00:01:20
	Exactly.	00:01:23
	Alrighty, welcome everybody. Thank you so much for coming this morning.	00:12:55
	Delayed. OK, sounds good.	00:13:00
	All right, well, I can just talk loud, so.	00:13:03
	How about that?	00:13:05
	Welcome everybody, it is February 17th, 2026. I'd like to open up the.	00:13:06
	Our City Council work session meeting today.	00:13:11
	Whose term is it to say the prayer and Pledge of Allegiance?	00:13:18
	Have you done it?	00:13:22
	How about how about Karen? Karen, have you said the prayer and the Pledge of Allegiance yet?	00:13:26
	Would you be willing to do that for us, Sister Cornelius? You do get a flag pin.	00:13:29
	You you get a black pen.	00:13:34
	OK, patch eggheads from prayers.	00:13:37
	I don't have to say my name either, Joy.	00:13:43
	Just go right ahead.	00:13:45
	Our Father in heaven, we are grateful to meet this day and the capacity of.	00:13:47
	City Council meeting for the City of Vineyard.	00:13:53
	And we are grateful for.	00:13:55
	Those that are here for those that sacrifice of their time to.	00:13:57
	Be able to.	00:14:02
	Make our city work and we're grateful for.	00:14:03
	Yes, good men who are doing that at this time and.	00:14:06
	Grateful for the direction and the guidance that they are receiving.	00:14:10
	We're grateful for this.	00:14:14
	Amazing land we live in and for the freedoms that we enjoy.	00:14:16
	We pray that we will.	00:14:19
	Always look to the.	00:14:21
	And recognize thee for these.	00:14:23
	Great blessings that we receive.	00:14:25
	We pray that this will be a productive meeting and that Thy spirit can abound here.	00:14:27
	We start this in the name of Jesus Christ.	00:14:32
	I pledge allegiance to the flag.	00:14:38
	Of the United States of America.	00:14:41
	And to the Republic for which it stands.	00:14:43
	One Nation.	00:14:46
	Under God, indivisible.	00:14:47
	With liberty and justice for all.	00:14:49
	Awesome. Thank you, Karen.	00:14:52
	Come get your pen.	00:14:55
	OK. Well, thank you guys for everyone jumping on.	00:14:59
	And being here today, we're going to have a work session today. So we're going to be voting on anything, but just going through	00:15:03
	some stuff that we want to cover and talk about and.	00:15:06
	First off, any.	00:15:11
	Comments or anything from the public? Let's.	00:15:13
	Or can I just have this be open? If there's anything you guys want to talk about as we go along, please just.	00:15:16
	I know the Cornelius is you need to leave at 12:30. Do you guys?	00:15:22
	Just OK, sounds good.	00:15:25
	Sounds good.	00:15:26
	OK. All right.	00:15:28
	I, Karen Cornelius Phyllis.	00:15:31
	I just have been reading on social media.	00:15:34
	About the close calls that are taking place at 800.	00:15:38
	And a Main St. as people are.	00:15:41
	Using our walkable city.	00:15:45
	To walk and ride their bikes to the grocery store.	00:15:47
	And how that is?	00:15:50
	A very perilous.	00:15:52
	Adventure, oftentimes.	00:15:54
	And I know that that's not our Rd.	00:15:56
	But I'm wondering if there's.	00:15:59
	Anything that we can do in conjunction with.	00:16:01
	U dot to.	00:16:04
	Enhance the safety there and perhaps with our.	00:16:05
	With our.	00:16:09
	Public safety. Our sheriff's as well.	00:16:11
	I don't think those are warning issues. I think those are citable issues because we're talking life and death.	00:16:13
	So I just think that's a really important situation that we have found ourselves in. Thanks.	00:16:19
	Yeah. Thank you.	00:16:25
	Come on up, Daria.	00:16:34
	Daria Evans, also a.	00:16:37
	Phyllis denied resident. I just have an observation that I'd like to share with you.	00:16:39
	Yesterday while I was walking on 400 up to 400 N.	00:16:45
	AE Motorbike.	00:16:51
	When zooming down 400 N did not even look.	00:16:52
	At the intersection of 300 W.	00:16:57
	And just went right through to the park.	00:17:00
	I was really concerned because this was a young boy, he was out of school.	00:17:03
	And I think we need to tighten up the E bike.	00:17:06
	Regulations far as.	00:17:11
	Maybe even being 16 years old with a.	00:17:13
	A motorcycle and driver's license.	00:17:16
	Thank you. Awesome. Thank you. No, we're going to be chatting about that today. That's been I've been.	00:17:19
	It's probably one of the boys in my football team that was doing it, so 8th graders, they're crazy.	00:17:24
	Pension. Yeah, pension.	00:17:29
	OK. Did you want you have anything to say? Yeah. Come up, Sir.	00:17:32
	I just want to My name is David Pierce from Cascade neighborhood. I just want to echo.	00:17:37
	Of the concern about.	00:17:42
	Crossing 800 N.	00:17:44
	I'm personally very glad to see our.	00:17:48
	Walkable city that people are actually walking.	00:17:51
	And going to the store.	00:17:54
	And hiking our trails.	00:17:56
	But that's an issue.	00:17:58
	And I think we need to look into it a little.	00:18:00
	Appreciate that. I've been following that online as well and I think that.	00:18:03
	Yeah, we need to look into that for sure.	00:18:07
	OK. Anything else?	00:18:10
	Should jump into.	00:18:12
	The let's start at 3.1 the RDA.	00:18:13
	Administration and audit.	00:18:16
	David, David, would you like to read out on that conversation?	00:18:18
	I would love to.	00:18:22
	So just a little background.	00:18:23
	A little history of how we got here. I'll be.	00:18:27
	We we were appointed, a committee was appointed to look into the RDA.	00:18:30
	One of our first meetings.	00:18:35
	Assist the mayor.	00:18:36
	And the Councilman?	00:18:37
	Myself.	00:18:39
	And we we met.	00:18:40
	And we invited.	00:18:42
	The gentleman who conducted the audit.	00:18:44
	Chris Harding in that and.	00:18:47
	Explain to us, you know, his results and so forth and so.	00:18:49
	We heard that that report and.	00:18:53
	And it was determined.	00:18:56
	Or the committee that we probably the way to go forward would be to.	00:18:57
	To do a more thorough audit. To continue the audit process.	00:19:00
	And look at myself looking at a fraction of a.	00:19:03
	Of the materials to look at all of it for a.	00:19:06
	2 or 2 1/2 years span.	00:19:09
	And so that's.	00:19:11
	We wanted to do and so we and we asked.	00:19:13
	Mr. Harding to.	00:19:16
	To come back with an audit.	00:19:18
	Proposal.	00:19:20
	And he has.	00:19:21
	And anyway, we presented that to the Council and the Council.	00:19:23
	In discussion determined that we needed to.	00:19:27
	Follow our regular procurement policy.	00:19:30
	And actually put.	00:19:33
	Put us down.	00:19:35
	And so we're stuck at that point because we can't seem to be able to find a way to get an RFP.	00:19:36
	Published.	00:19:42
	We don't. Our city staff, of course, has been.	00:19:43
	You know that people have left and so we haven't. We don't.	00:19:46
	Seem to have the knowledge how to do that.	00:19:50
	Here so we need to.	00:19:52
	Need to reconstruct that.	00:19:53
	Rapidly so we can we can move forward with that.	00:19:55
	So that that's.	00:19:57
	You know, that's where we are with that. We've also had.	00:19:58
	We also had a.	00:20:01
	Of a proposed resolution to move forward, but.	00:20:03
	But once again, that was determined that we needed to.	00:20:07
	Do a few things that.	00:20:09
	You've got us more data first before we could do that.	00:20:11
	And Councilman Mayer said he would lead a.	00:20:13
	Study to collect data with the.	00:20:18
	Exactly how much of the?	00:20:21
	City workers time is spent doing RDA things.	00:20:23
	With the with the idea that we would see if we could support.	00:20:26
	Or if we need it.	00:20:29
	A full time staff member to do that besides just.	00:20:31
	Our part time administrator.	00:20:35
	And so that's that's in a process.	00:20:37
	So that brings us back to that's where we are today. And so.	00:20:39
	My question.	00:20:43
	For the counselors, how can we?	00:20:44
	Move this forward. How can we get?	00:20:46
	This request for.	00:20:49
	Proposal.	00:20:50
	Put out there and.	00:20:51
	And then receiver proposals and then we can choose them we already have.	00:20:53
	One for Mr. Harding.	00:20:57
	Yeah, and he's been.	00:20:58
	And I've I've talked with him and he understands our situation he's and that's that proposal will be.	00:20:59
	Good for several months, so we.	00:21:04
	So we've seen it before as we can.	00:21:06
	I think a great way to do it. As I've been thinking, I've been thinking about this over the weekend and I'm even getting the scene	00:21:08
	that you jumped in here.	00:21:11
	How do we?	00:21:14
	Can we?	00:21:15
	My thought was.	00:21:16
	What do we have the copy of the RFP that we sent out for the original?	00:21:18
	RDA Audit.	00:21:23
	Yes, Sir. So yeah, it was a request for qualifications.	00:21:25
	That's OK. Request for qualifications. OK. And did that go, how did, how was that administered? Was that through?	00:21:28
	Your department or was that through?	00:21:35
	That's your fiance, so fire AFIS is the procurement office.	00:21:37
	So we provide some administrative.	00:21:42
	OK. But finance developed the.	00:21:45
	RFQ as well and all the drivers around us, OK.	00:21:49
	Do you by chance have a were you, do you have a copy of that? Would you guys sending that to me? Yes, Sir.	00:21:52
	So if we get that forwarded to me, I can probably tweet a little bit and then we can just resubmit and get it sent Outback out	00:21:58
	there. And we have there's a couple different ways Stephanie has a way to get it out there. There's there's super let me know how	00:22:02
	I help on the 2. So and then just just want to kind of.	00:22:07
	Make a reminder that.	00:22:12
	Through that through that prior process for.	00:22:13
	Professional services. There are certain state requirements.	00:22:16
	Codes to follow on that, so I'm sure that the.	00:22:21
	Either the procurement officer AKA finance director will be able to provide that information or the state attorney should be able	00:22:24
	to provide that information. But.	00:22:27
	Those are state codes that so.	00:22:31
	The city must must survive to especially welcome to professional services.	00:22:32
	Yeah. And I said I believe your attorney would be able to provide all that information.	00:22:38
	And of course, ensure that there was a notice of intent is.	00:22:42
	Is toasted a part to any kind of award?	00:22:45
	Sounds good.	00:22:49
	Let's do that. So let's let's get that from the scene. We'll tweak it and we'll get it up to Jesse and then make sure that we're	00:22:50
	falling the state.	00:22:52
	German stuff and we'll get it sent out there.	00:22:55
	Yeah, OK. And I'll, I'll just keep checking with it till we get it going. OK, sounds great. Thank you. We'll get that from this	00:22:57
	e-mail.	00:23:00
	Get that going. All right, so that's that's that.	00:23:03
	Anything else you'd like to talk about that?	00:23:05
	So we'll get that going and.	00:23:10
	Oh, Kim. Come on up, Kim.	00:23:12
	Kim Cornelius Villas I just have a.	00:23:15
	A layman's question we employed Mr. Harding to do.	00:23:19
	The audit.	00:23:23
	Encompassing the city finances plus the RDA.	00:23:24
	When we met with him again, we asked him maybe to expand that into.	00:23:27
	A deeper dive into the idea. Can't that just be an expansive scope of work?	00:23:31
	That's a great question. I think that.	00:23:35
	What? Umm.	00:23:38
	I mean, that would be a good question for Council. How do you guys feel about that?	00:23:39
	I think it's more a question for legal and the reason is.	00:23:42
	If you have to get through the RF.	00:23:46
	Pee process.	00:23:47
	Yeah, for a specific job.	00:23:49
	And expanding that job.	00:23:52
	Is subsequently maybe viewed.	00:23:54
	As a different job, yeah, because it was an RF. It was a.	00:23:56
	Request for qualifications, right? That's what it was.	00:23:59
	Yes, Sir. So request for qualifications and to kind of echo what the Council, yeah, Councilmember was talking about.	00:24:02
	Dealing with the the that's being proposed by Mr. Cornelius would actually be illegal and.	00:24:10
	I believe the first audit finding that that auditor.	00:24:16
	Would be. A finding would be.	00:24:19
	That expanded task for yourself.	00:24:21
	Because it would be outside, outside the progress of.	00:24:25
	Scope creep is what's commonly referred to.	00:24:27
	In terms of contractors?	00:24:31
	So typically there's a 20% rule from to utilize.	00:24:32
	So the scope increases by more than 20%.	00:24:36
	That trigger is a. That trigger is.	00:24:39
	A question as to why the scope is changing more than 20% and why wasn't it included originally and?	00:24:42
	I just feel like the scope decreases by more than 20% as well.	00:24:50
	On that, again, I'm not the legal expert. I believe Mr. Riddle would be the legal experts, so.	00:24:53
	We'll change, we'll get it kind of changed to this, and then we'll send it to Jesse and multiply this to send the original 1 and	00:24:58
	then the new one.	00:25:01
	And then just.	00:25:05
	Quick question. So it was a request for qualifications that we did the first time.	00:25:06
	And so and we received.	00:25:10
	Feedback from that, it's was that eight months old?	00:25:11
	And so is it just qualifications or do we? Do we actually?	00:25:15
	Do a request for proposal afterwards once we had the.	00:25:18
	People who are qualified.	00:25:22
	So when you do an RFQ, Sir, that's again, I'm not the legal expert, I'm not the German officer. So I can't, I'm not going to state	00:25:27
	the.	00:25:30
	Exactly what the procurement officer would tell you, but when you do an RFQ.	00:25:33
	Then you have to go into our negotiations in terms of pricing.	00:25:38
	When you do professional services per the state.	00:25:41
	For the state of Utah's state and.	00:25:43
	Which reflects very much 99% point 9.	00:25:47
	I'm sure of all other states.	00:25:49
	Professional services cannot be based on those.	00:25:52
	Price along the house they should it needs to be based on qualifications. I mean I believe this would be.	00:25:54
	This was fun because criteria that.	00:25:59
	You're not hiring the.	00:26:02
	Cheapest person in your iron, but the most qualified person.	00:26:03
	OK, so so the former.	00:26:06
	Request for qualifications is outdated.	00:26:08
	Is that, is that a hearing I want to say out there, but it's I'm sorry, it's the scope of what was being asked for.	00:26:11
	So the scope has changed. We have to do it again.	00:26:17
	All right. Does that make sense? Sorry. RFQ was in place of the RFP. I guess that's right. So again, RFP, I mean?	00:26:20
	A lot of people utilize those.	00:26:28
	Interchangeably, just because of the ease of saying it, but the technical term is.	00:26:31
	Request for qualifications to ensure that this is.	00:26:35
	We're looking at qualifications first, then pricing.	00:26:38
	So for you know if someone provides you.	00:26:40
	Best qualifications whether pricing is 3 or 4 or five times higher.	00:26:43
	Then what's you're able to pay or what's industry standards, and obviously that would be the qualifier.	00:26:47
	On that, but I didn't predict codes. Again, I'm not the.	00:26:52
	Particularly officer, a legal expert by press state.	00:26:56
	You can't do. You can't do. I appreciate that. Thank you.	00:26:59
	Thank you.	00:27:03
	Hello, can you hear me?	00:27:05
	Hi, Jake.	00:27:07
	This happened.	00:27:09
	This happens quite a bit in the picture world, where.	00:27:11
	You build a house.	00:27:15
	And it's the specifications of the house and you're halfway through the house.	00:27:17
	And the builder comes back and says I want twice the size of the house.	00:27:21
	Now nobody changes the builder halfway through the house.	00:27:26
	To have another builder change the other half of the house.	00:27:29
	So legally all we have to do is extend it.	00:27:32
	It's not that big of a problem. We don't have to go and switch persons, it's the council's decision if they want to go through and	00:27:36
	do it.	00:27:40
	And in my.	00:27:44
	Years of experience. I don't think anybody's ever switched halfway through an audit.	00:27:46
	Where they said hey, there needs to be more because you're talking about hours of knowledge.	00:27:52
	Just like building a house to restart to switch.	00:27:58
	You know, midscreen, so.	00:28:02
	You know, we, I think we verified that the previous council did things correctly and I'm pretty sure they did and putting this	00:28:05
	out.	00:28:08
	In selecting.	00:28:12
	The person that we're using so.	00:28:14
	To change midstream would be very.	00:28:16
	Pretty odd.	00:28:18
	But I'm sure we need to adjust the contract that we're doing.	00:28:19
	And put it for.	00:28:23
	And vote the additional work that they're doing.	00:28:24
	OK. I would just make sure we send anything back through Mr. Riddle.	00:28:28
	I agree. Yeah, actually start there.	00:28:32
	Yeah, just I will.	00:28:34
	And see I will.	00:28:36
	Yeah, before I will again.	00:28:39
	And to piggyback on that, I mean.	00:28:40
	With Councilmember hold away stating with the sole source.	00:28:42
	Procurement process. Again, there's a different process for solar sourcing.	00:28:46
	On that if it meets the criteria.	00:28:49
	For sole sourcing, I'm sure that.	00:28:51
	Mr. Riddle and the pyramid officer can help you go through that process.	00:28:53
	On that and I appreciate the years of experience. I used to teach contract well.	00:28:57
	For the Air Force Institute of Technology.	00:29:01
	For many years, many years ago.	00:29:03
	So yeah, there is a, there are, there are certain requirements and certain thresholds when it comes to government contracts versus	00:29:06
	private contracts.	00:29:10
	That you would have to. You have to make sure you maintain.	00:29:15
	Hello there you want to make sure that you're following the process is outlined.	00:29:17
	For you know, either your local procurement processes, your estate.	00:29:21
	As well as federal depending on the thresholds.	00:29:24
	But yeah, you're hitting on.	00:29:27
	But uh.	00:29:28
	Excuse me, but that a 20% again. This is a rule found 20%.	00:29:30
	Attained to scope of work whether it's a decrease or increase or a decrease of scope work.	00:29:34
	Often triggers and all the other all the finding.	00:29:39
	In itself, but regardless, regardless whether.	00:29:42
	The purpose they're.	00:29:45
	The bottom line is justification as to what would happen and what happens.	00:29:47
	Thank you again for the clarification. We'll we'll check with the legal and and.	00:29:50
	We want to do it the right way.	00:29:54
	And we promise we will.	00:29:55
	So we'll proceed that way.	00:29:57
	Thank you.	00:29:59
	Awesome.	00:30:01
	OK. David, anything else on that the RDA?	00:30:02
	Admin and audit.	00:30:06
	Discussion here.	00:30:07
	Yeah, I do one more thing if it's all right.	00:30:09
	We've talked about it, a possible change of personnel.	00:30:11
	In terms of how they.	00:30:14
	These minutes right now we have a.	00:30:15
	A part-time administrator is Josh Daniels.	00:30:17
	And we talked about possibly putting a board together.	00:30:20
	Of of other.	00:30:25
	Members there would be a.	00:30:26
	Can assist for the administrator in the.	00:30:27
	And looking over.	00:30:30
	You know, administering the RDA process.	00:30:31
	And do we want to proceed with that? I don't know that we need to, that's not part of the the audit. That's just a separate	00:30:34
	action, correct?	00:30:38
	And so if we want to do that.	00:30:41
	We would want to decide what.	00:30:43
	What form that should take and then bring it to the back to the full council in a in a business life, the business items you hold	00:30:46
	on it.	00:30:49
	I think it's subsequent to something that we already discussed.	00:30:53
	Earlier you mentioned.	00:30:56
	The review and trying to figure out how much personnel hours the city staff spends on the RDA and that's largely a function that	00:30:57
	determines.	00:31:01
	This next step of the conversation.	00:31:04
	In my opinion.	00:31:06
	You're right. And I, I see that as as the end goal. I'm looking at this as a stopgap measure. We have, we have people who	00:31:07
	volunteered.	00:31:10
	To, to, to, to do that on a voluntary basis, at least temporarily.	00:31:14
	Until we can get more data, decide how to proceed.	00:31:18
	And so I guess my question is, do we want to?	00:31:21
	More formalized that volunteer process a little bit.	00:31:23
	And actually.	00:31:26
	That it's constructed board.	00:31:28
	Of citizen volunteers.	00:31:30
	That can assist us in.	00:31:32
	Organizing things.	00:31:33
	As they collect those data points.	00:31:35
	I think that's something we could discuss on this under 3.2. So we kind of go through the Commission's right here.	00:31:37
	OK, I think.	00:31:42
	That would be appropriate to talk about it then.	00:31:43
	Good so but.	00:31:46
	Yeah.	00:31:49
	Thank you.	00:31:51
	Anything else?	00:31:52
	On the RDA.	00:31:53
	That's all I have.	00:31:55
	OK, go ahead, Jake. I would just.	00:31:56
	I would I would second it. What?	00:31:59
	Councilman Larae is is. I don't want to have an audit without.	00:32:01
	The key RVA staff that will be involved, and I think it would.	00:32:06
	I mean, let's find out what budget we have.	00:32:11
	For putting those and then.	00:32:14
	For putting that staff in place and then when we find when we find out what that budget is, let's.	00:32:18
	Those positions and top.	00:32:25
	In last meeting, David Pierce was.	00:32:27
	Pretty adamant about how to move publicly. Both positions listed and we've got great.	00:32:30
	Volunteers and I.	00:32:35
	Strongly recommended, but let's make sure we follow the process and.	00:32:36
	Put it out.	00:32:41
	For you know.	00:32:42
	Then find out or not bit but.	00:32:44
	The hiring the right individuals.	00:32:46
	To help support the RDA.	00:32:48
	And maybe we'll find some really great candidates, but I don't want to do the audit without and and learn that institutional	00:32:51
	knowledge.	00:32:54
	Without somebody there with.	00:32:59
	Chris to do that, so I would.	00:33:01
	Expedite how much money we have available to do that.	00:33:03
	OK, get that going.	00:33:06
	OK, sounds good.	00:33:11
	Anything else on that?	00:33:14
	OK, All right, let's move.	00:33:18
	Item 3.2. Commission's discussion.	00:33:20
	Let's see here, Jake, did you want to lay down on this?	00:33:25
	On this, did you get a?	00:33:28
	Who wants to lead the Commission's discussion?	00:33:32
	Yeah, I.	00:33:34
	I I wanted to lead out on this. I don't.	00:33:37
	You know, I look back and I know Jacob Wood spent a lot of time looking back at.	00:33:40
	Our attendance at the Planning Commission and also the Active Transportation Commission.	00:33:45
	I noticed that it's been sparse.	00:33:51
	And it's actually hard to have that type of redundancy and I don't think especially now with how Bill Cow Vineyard is.	00:33:53
	How the redundancy of having the active Transportation and Planning Commission?	00:34:01
	And I I'd like to have a discussion about.	00:34:06
	Bringing those back together.	00:34:10
	I know 1 is very particular about.	00:34:13
	How important it is that bike planning and pathways be planned.	00:34:15
	And I agree with that. I don't think I want to diminish that.	00:34:20
	But with we have planning commissioners.	00:34:24
	Had even just struggling to attend basic meetings.	00:34:27
	I also think the staffing.	00:34:31
	For the city to put on bowl.	00:34:33
	Is too cumbersome and isn't cost efficient.	00:34:35
	I also think it's problematic for a city our size to do both.	00:34:39
	But you know, as a citizen, which one do you attend? Do you apply planning? Do you do active transportation? Do you go?	00:34:44
	I just maybe you have.	00:34:50
	Standing agenda item for bike specific or active transportation issues that are there but.	00:34:52
	I just wanted to talk to council about combining the two of them.	00:34:58
	Can I ask?	00:35:01
	Cash here, in the back, over there.	00:35:03
	In our work session last week you had mentioned there was some state code around.	00:35:06
	Some of these commissions and the role that they play in the approval process.	00:35:11
	Is it specified that there has to be?	00:35:15
	The separate commissions, can they be one Commission? No. Yeah. Only the Planning Commission is dictated by state law.	00:35:17
	And DRC but the the active Transportation Commission.	00:35:24
	The reason that was that was implemented, it was originally Bicycle Advisory Commission and last year we extended the scope of it	00:35:27
	to active transportation.	00:35:30
	To essentially roll out all of the the plans from the active transportation plan that was approved in 2022.	00:35:34
	And one of the main reasons that I shouldn't say the main but.	00:35:40
	One of the good reasons we do keep that Commission around is that it is only once a month and it's roughly a 30 minute to one hour	00:35:44
	meeting.	00:35:48
	So it, it isn't a lot of staff then that that we are spending on that, that Commission, but it does qualify us for.	00:35:51
	To become a bicycle friendly city.	00:35:57
	Which if that is something the city continues to value, we do have to have a dedicated.	00:35:59
	Body of of residents that that reviews.	00:36:04
	Active transportation.	00:36:07
	Type items and that's what this has been so far for us. What's the benefit of?	00:36:09
	Having that I guess credential as a city, yeah, I mean bragging rights, but also it is good for grant applications so we are able	00:36:13
	to get.	00:36:17
	Some grants.	00:36:21
	To fund the bicycle infrastructure, trail maintenance and stuff like that.	00:36:22
	By having that classification, a lot of cities around us, I think Provo actually just got upgraded. I want to say there are Gold	00:36:25
	City now.	00:36:29
	An ORM I believe is a bronze city. Right now we're a bronze as well.	00:36:32
	Has that helped us get any grants to date?	00:36:36
	I'm not aware.	00:36:39
	Any right now?	00:36:40
	And you said this was just expanded in the last year, right? Yeah, it was last year that that we expanded it to that	00:36:44
	transportation in the grant writing cycle now.	00:36:48
	Yeah. And and we could, we could get a list of all the meetings that we had last year to kind of show.	00:36:52
	How, how frequently we are having these meetings and, and the attendance that we're having at them.	00:36:58
	If that would be helpful.	00:37:03
	OK.	00:37:04
	Curious.	00:37:07
	Parker, what are your thoughts about?	00:37:08
	Put them together.	00:37:10
	I'm generally not opposed to merging them, especially.	00:37:11
	We've had issues with participation and attendance and those things. I mean, the less perspective that you have in each of those	00:37:15
	meetings.	00:37:19
	The less room for.	00:37:22
	Progression and development you actually have.	00:37:24
	So it's beneficial.	00:37:26
	To have better attendance.	00:37:28
	So if you can merge the and. I don't know what that looks like, right? Or what?	00:37:30
	Because I know state code.	00:37:34
	Kind of dictate some of the Planning Commission.	00:37:36
	But in my mind, having 12 people that get together and share their experiences and their thoughts and the way that they perceive a	00:37:39
	problem is.	00:37:42
	Generally a better practice than having.	00:37:46
	Three people get together and share, right? Yeah.	00:37:48
	You just get more knowledge shared.	00:37:52
	I will add that we do have some currently have some overlap. I believe there are two members of the bicycle or of the Active	00:37:56
	Transportation Commission that serve on the Planning Commission. OK.	00:38:00
	Would it be one question, I have cash if we just say, OK, listen, if you're on Planning Commission, congratulations, you're now on	00:38:06
	the active transportation.	00:38:10
	And merge them that way.	00:38:14
	Generally the the people on Active Transportation Commission, they like that. It isn't as big of a commitment as Planning	00:38:16
	Commission. Planning Commission is is twice a month and they're generally longer meetings, Yeah.	00:38:21
	Where we're active transportation, a lot of the people that are on that are.	00:38:26
	That that's, you know, all they care about. They don't necessarily care about like reviewing a site plan for a win visa.	00:38:29
	So, umm.	00:38:34
	That's kind of what they.	00:38:35
	Want to focus on it?	00:38:36
	And that's why we kept them separate. And also I could reach out to the the group that.	00:38:38
	Does the the bicycle friendly community?	00:38:43
	Classification to see if.	00:38:46
	The Planning Commission can operate as the.	00:38:47
	Active Transportation Commission in their eyes.	00:38:50
	So we can keep that designation.	00:38:52
	I've tried in the past to get hold of them and haven't.	00:38:54
	Had much luck but I could try again.	00:38:57
	So I'm wondering if we could arrange it a little bit like we do with, with the RDA, you know?	00:39:00
	City Council said.	00:39:04
	Yeah, as the RDA board and they had a separate meeting for that.	00:39:06
	For those issues.	00:39:09
	I'm wondering if the Planning Commission could then just.	00:39:10
	You know when they finish their business or before they before they start their business, just convene as.	00:39:13
	And active transportation.	00:39:18
	And then and then when they're done with that.	00:39:19
	Then reconvene as.	00:39:21
	A Planning Commission, you know, So I keep them separate, but.	00:39:23
	The same people, because right now, if we only have two or three people coming.	00:39:25
	Well, three people, could they have three people to have a meeting? So.	00:39:28
	When I was struggling to get three people on the Planning Commission meetings.	00:39:32
	So it seems to me if we can't somehow get more participation.	00:39:35
	It might work.	00:39:39
	I'm not opposed to that, I.	00:39:40
	But once again, I don't think the people, everybody that's on the act of transportation.	00:39:43
	Active Transportation Commission.	00:39:46
	Would want to be a part of the Planning Commission itself.	00:39:48
	And vice versa. Mm-hmm.	00:39:51
	You know that there are those few people that do overlap that that kind of have an interest in both.	00:39:53
	But once again, we really are we have our active Transportation Commission meetings.	00:39:58
	On.	00:40:02
	I think it's like the first Tuesday of the month or second Tuesday of the month at 5:30 and they usually go at most an hour.	00:40:03
	And so it, it, it isn't a lot of staff time for us to, to handle that meeting.	00:40:09
	And if if the goal here is to help.	00:40:13
	Increase participation and attendance. The Planning Commission.	00:40:16
	I don't think.	00:40:19
	Combining that with Active Transportation Commission would accomplish that.	00:40:20
	It's not working with increasing the attendance of Planning Commission.	00:40:26
	So I probably can add a little bit to the discussion also.	00:40:33
	To get this started.	00:40:36
	We're currently looking at some software to be able to help track commissions.	00:40:39
	And attendance.	00:40:44
	And years of service.	00:40:46
	On each of the.	00:40:48
	Commissions.	00:40:49
	And so we should.	00:40:50
	Very shortly be able to have a solution that will make it.	00:40:51
	Really effortless for staff to be able to manage it.	00:40:55
	OK, awesome.	00:40:58
	Jake, what are your thoughts?	00:41:04
	What do you think? Our next steps? What do you see I love?	00:41:06
	Yeah, I love the idea of.	00:41:09
	Like David Marais, where it's like one in the Fame I.	00:41:12
	Going back and.	00:41:16
	Looking at how?	00:41:17
	Locally attended the Planning Commission has been.	00:41:19
	Where they have even struggled to have a quorum.	00:41:22
	I think that there was a mandate this past election to.	00:41:26
	You know, look, revise and look at the master plan and look at parking requirements and a lot of different things. And so I think.	00:41:31
	That it would be a who list to look at.	00:41:38
	You know the appointments that are currently there also.	00:41:41
	I believe Mayor your.	00:41:45
	Your value should be espoused in the planning department, I think. Mine should. I think. Every I think.	00:41:48
	Each of us on the Council should have.	00:41:54
	Representation on there I know.	00:41:57
	I have what what I value.	00:41:59
	I feel is not represented on the Planning Commission currently.	00:42:02
	So I think I don't. I love biking. I'm pro biking. I'm pro biking.	00:42:06
	Thank you.	00:42:12
	Yeah, there's the City Council meeting, though.	00:42:14
	Jesse, you're not muted.	00:42:18
	Hey, Jesse, you're not muted.	00:42:20
	I'm sorry.	00:42:22
	That's OK. The.	00:42:24
	Look at me putting a pathway through what part of way. I mean, I'm the biggest bike, so I don't think we're going to diminish or	00:42:26
	be anti.	00:42:29
	Halfway or or bike. I just think that.	00:42:32
	There's a small city like us, and how much is already built out?	00:42:36
	Strategically and and cost savings I think.	00:42:41
	I love the idea of.	00:42:44
	You I don't know if you need to gavel in or gavel out.	00:42:45
	Because I don't there is no official.	00:42:49
	Votes like it in fake code, Jesse.	00:42:52
	And active transportation holds no authority whatsoever, right? It's a nice thing to have. It's, it's great to get with them.	00:42:56
	And advice that they don't actually unless we empower them.	00:43:03
	State code doesn't require it, right?	00:43:07
	He got off Jake.	00:43:12
	Anyway, so I think those things need to be looked at.	00:43:14
	As we look at the Planning Commission.	00:43:19
	I will say this. Hey Jacob would.	00:43:25
	Yeah, go ahead, Jacob.	00:43:28
	Yeah, I just think that, you know, if there's only 30 minutes.	00:43:30
	A month I see no reason why I can't do not think of any fusion.	00:43:34
	OK, let's do this. Let's say next step would be.	00:43:41
	Jake Holdaway, would you mind?	00:43:44
	Leave now on this and and or.	00:43:47
	Oh, sorry guys, I'm sorry.	00:43:49
	Jake all the way. Would you mind leaving out of this and just getting with?	00:43:51
	Jesse just making sure they're not missing anything.	00:43:54
	In terms of state code and whatnot, and then come back with the.	00:43:56
	Recommendation where I sit on it?	00:44:00
	The state of Utah is I'm up at the Capitol, back and forth. They are making it.	00:44:03
	They are making a.	00:44:07
	Cognizant and conscious effort to come back on the number of commissions there are statewide because they're seeing also a lot of	00:44:08
	the same things we're struggling with as well in terms of attendance and so forth and combining them.	00:44:14
	I know that I was up there and a couple of senators wanted to start a new Commission and it basically just got shot down just	00:44:20
	because.	00:44:23
	There's just too many of them. They're actually trying to.	00:44:26
	To streamline the process.	00:44:29
	So I think that.	00:44:32
	I think that we're seeing that a little bit here.	00:44:33
	So I think that if we can just look into that and just see if it's feasible.	00:44:35
	And not to diminish.	00:44:40
	The active transportation committee or you know, we're not saying we're anti bike or anything like that. I mean, we're probably.	00:44:42
	As pros as anybody but.	00:44:48
	Just trying to.	00:44:50
	To enable it.	00:44:51
	Just participation and make sure that we're.	00:44:53
	Being good stewards of time, so.	00:44:56
	You get taken out of time.	00:45:01
	Could we just pencil this in for two weeks from now and I'll get.	00:45:03
	I will work with Jesse scheduling noise in the hospital for.	00:45:08
	When this gets done, and I will.	00:45:11
	Tentatively as soon as.	00:45:15
	He get back from.	00:45:17
	His hospital issues.	00:45:20
	We will put this on the agenda for.	00:45:22
	Business need to go to a vote to make this change I think maybe.	00:45:25
	I think it's a good question for Jesse if we do need the.	00:45:29
	I would assert zoom yeah is in our musical code and if you were to remove it, you probably have to change that. That was my and I	00:45:32
	would also recommend that you I.	00:45:37
	I by number means am the expert on active transportation.	00:45:42
	Anthony Fletcher, other planner is the one whoever she's at and I highly recommend talking with him.	00:45:45
	Further on this to see what his thoughts are on combining the two. Yeah.	00:45:50
	Awesome, Jake, we get with Anthony as well.	00:45:54
	Yeah. So I'll definitely do that. And then also.	00:45:57
	You know, we're kind of in a strange situation where.	00:46:01
	You know the council walking out the door.	00:46:05
	Put in a lot of Planning Commission members.	00:46:08
	And I, I don't think the the planning, I want to thank the Planning Commission members for those who serve.	00:46:10
	That are serving this.	00:46:17
	That you know you deserve to be respected and all the time and effort that have been put into this.	00:46:20
	At the same, at the same time there's.	00:46:24
	Elections, you know, and directions of where the city are going.	00:46:26
	And so.	00:46:30
	I think I'll meet with council members and get their ideas for the Planning Commission.	00:46:32
	You know, I know you guys ran for office and want to be represented.	00:46:38
	I know the citizens voted for you to be represented, to have that voice.	00:46:42
	I know in the past that you know, the mayor, the previous mayor.	00:46:47
	You know, just.	00:46:50
	Everyone was selected by.	00:46:51
	Her and mayor.	00:46:54
	From what I've been hearing from you is you want to make sure that this is a.	00:46:57
	The Planning Commission is representing all voices on the Council.	00:47:01
	And kind of spreading that out.	00:47:05
	And do you want to talk about that?	00:47:08
	I think that kind of where my head's at, it's just allowing everyone on council to interview and, and I mean.	00:47:10
	I'm getting approached. We're all getting approach.	00:47:16
	By different members of the community that are interested in serving on the.	00:47:17
	The Planning Commission or these different commissions and just.	00:47:21
	Make it more collaborative rather than just.	00:47:24
	Just coming from me.	00:47:27
	That's that's kind of that's that's where my head's out with the whole.	00:47:29
	The whole thing so.	00:47:33
	I don't know if it's sorry.	00:47:35
	I don't know if it's like.	00:47:38
	I have to go into another meeting and step out. Is there anything else you need me to cover for today? No, I think that's fine. I	00:47:40
	think that that's.	00:47:43
	So, any other questions for Jake? All right, I'll listen in quietly while I have my next meeting. Awesome.	00:47:49
	Thanks.	00:47:53
	Thank you.	00:47:55
	No, what Jake was saying, I think that mine.	00:47:56
	Tent is historically it's been, you know, probably even go back to Mayor Farnsworth that.	00:47:58
	That the commissions have been disappointed by the mayor, but I just.	00:48:03
	My intent is dead.	00:48:06
	Either have you guys?	00:48:09
	Involved heavily involved in the process or submit names and.	00:48:11
	Just to make sure everyone feels comfortable with it.	00:48:14
	So.	00:48:16
	OK. Anything else on the Commission's? I think we're good to go on that one.	00:48:18
	Let's step down to 3.3 Skate Park discussion.	00:48:23
	Um, let's see here. What do we need to talk about the skate park so.	00:48:29
	Umm.	00:48:32
	Park in the wheel.	00:48:36
	Are we? Do you want to talk about that one?	00:48:38
	I'm trying to think what is.	00:48:41
	Sure, Uh.	00:48:42
	Go team, go team.	00:48:43
	OK, we I guess here's my my perspective and and what I've experienced so far with it.	00:48:45
	Generally speaking.	00:48:52
	All of the Council seemed to be pretty.	00:48:53
	In support of this.	00:48:55
	The pushback that I've received, or I think that all of us have.	00:48:58
	Probably received at this point from community members.	00:49:01
	Has largely not been about the skate park or the pump track. It's been about the proposed mountain bike track, however.	00:49:04
	To my understanding.	00:49:10
	The land that that was originally.	00:49:11
	Posed on is a spring.	00:49:13
	And it can't actually be developed without big survey from like.	00:49:15
	The Army Corps of Engineers coming out and saying you can do anything on the land or not.	00:49:18
	So to my understanding, and for the public's benefit.	00:49:23
	That, uh.	00:49:26
	Aspect of the plan has largely been shelved.	00:49:26
	I've probably gotten 15 to 20 emails from different residents in the community around there.	00:49:30
	And almost so they're they're split probably 5050 and the positive and the negative.	00:49:37
	But all of the negative has been about the mountain bike.	00:49:43
	Yeah, aspect, which is not something that is in any pursuit of becoming a reality anytime soon.	00:49:46
	So I feel very good about.	00:49:52
	The current state of.	00:49:54
	Moving forward with the skate park, moving forward with the pump track.	00:49:57
	The way we talked about it in the work session, you know, two weeks ago.	00:50:00
	Yep, same here.	00:50:04
	I think that's right.	00:50:05
	And I think we probably ought to.	00:50:07
	By the way, let people know that that mountain bike.	00:50:09
	Dirt track is probably going to have to be relocated. Well and I see.	00:50:12
	You know Brians on the on the call right now. Brians done an excellent job. Just wanted to give him credit where he responds to a	00:50:16
	lot of the residents with the updated information.	00:50:21
	And has left me CC D on some of those emails.	00:50:26
	So thank you, Brian, for for doing your job as far as getting out that information as best as you can.	00:50:29
	In talking with Brian, I think that.	00:50:37
	So next steps are.	00:50:40
	Applying for the grant.	00:50:42
	Should be the application should be going in the next week or two. You should hear back probably first part of April if we were	00:50:43
	awarded it.	00:50:46
	And then just move forward if everything is a green light on that end.	00:50:49
	So I think that I'm definitely in support of it.	00:50:53
	It is going to be. So we are going to be using about $400,000.	00:50:57
	Roughly of rap tax.	00:51:01
	And just so the public kind of understands, from what I understand, the rap tax, it's, it's a tax on, it's a.	00:51:04
	0.1 percent 1% of sales tax 1% of sales tax.	00:51:09
	That comes and it's just for recreation, art and parks.	00:51:17
	Project so this would fall within the rap tax, so we would be using.	00:51:20
	The set aside funds for that and we it's rough. I think we get about 20,000 dollars, $25,000 a month.	00:51:23
	Flows into that.	00:51:30
	So it would be appropriate in that portion of it and the rest of it would be coming from the grant.	00:51:32
	There might be a little bit of a.	00:51:37
	40 to $50,000.	00:51:39
	Gap, but depending on when.	00:51:41
	Since we get.	00:51:43
	20,000 a month depending on when we go we that.	00:51:44
	We might be able to cover that the wrap tax.	00:51:48
	But I think that I think it's a great project. I think we move forward with it.	00:51:51
	So what does it do to the city's liability?	00:51:57
	So do you want to come up and ask that?	00:52:04
	Yeah, yeah. So Karen Cornelius is asking.	00:52:08
	Yeah, OK.	00:52:12
	She Daria Evans Vineyard residence.	00:52:14
	Karen is asking.	00:52:18
	What is the city's?	00:52:19
	What is the city's liability?	00:52:21
	With the skate park.	00:52:23
	Awesome. Uh.	00:52:24
	So I asked that question in the work session two weeks ago and the.	00:52:25
	Obviously we want to run anything through our our legal department, but the response that I got was that we.	00:52:30
	Put disclaimers up that say something to the effect of your choosing to use this at your own risk, and it's your own liability.	00:52:36
	And that it's a negligible impact on the actual city itself if we.	00:52:44
	Have proper signage and post the warnings and the recommendations there.	00:52:49
	Hold on, does that sound right?	00:52:53
	Do you or what do you?	00:52:55
	I mean, generally speaking, when we had that with the pond.	00:52:56
	We had signs around it. It kind of qualified for the same thing.	00:53:01
	OK.	00:53:04
	The difference may be in Jesse. My answer is better, but the.	00:53:06
	We intend them to use it for that purpose, whereas the poem we said no swimming, so they happen to swim, then we wouldn't be	00:53:09
	liable. So sure. OK, so.	00:53:13
	Yeah, I mean.	00:53:17
	It's part of the trust.	00:53:18
	Insurance that you have from self insurance through the trust I imagine and.	00:53:19
	Yeah. I don't know if the premiums change you, just maybe.	00:53:22
	Or claims against the trust. So yeah.	00:53:26
	Sounds good.	00:53:28
	Hi, Rachel.	00:53:30
	Brian talked about that.	00:53:31
	Yes, I think that that was.	00:53:34
	Parker what Parker has responded to the Brian. Brian chatted about that so.	00:53:36
	Yeah, we'll definitely.	00:53:40
	Double check that, but I think that.	00:53:43
	The way that it was described to me and how I can understand.	00:53:46
	Like a splash pad, like if something like child slips and falls on the splash pad, you know it's a easier on risk as long as just	00:53:50
	the signs are up.	00:53:53
	That, umm.	00:53:56
	It falls underneath that umbrella.	00:53:57
	So, uh.	00:53:58
	I'm pretty sure I.	00:54:01
	You're yeah, right. I'm sure you heard that from Brian as well. Yeah.	00:54:03
	OK, Jake, we're going to say something.	00:54:07
	Yeah, I know that we are carving on the wetland section.	00:54:11
	With any other further.	00:54:17
	Stuff around when I don't know what they call Fisher they call it.	00:54:19
	Let's just call it been known for three years.	00:54:23
	I'm living past your.	00:54:27
	I think it would be wise.	00:54:29
	Like to have what staff are actually doing with the Army Corps of Engineers?	00:54:31
	I think it would be wise to just.	00:54:37
	Reevaluate that plan with all the emails and text messages that like. Are we actively trying to re delineate that?	00:54:40
	You know, I know that you had some drought years for.	00:54:49
	Seven or eight years, especially on the face of Mount Tiburon, and that's where.	00:54:53
	A lot of water.	00:54:58
	If we don't get good snowfall there those springs.	00:54:59
	Tend to be dry.	00:55:02
	But that will boomerang back in a wet year.	00:55:04
	And so I just think like.	00:55:08
	I know we I don't want to get bombarded that we're actively still doing something.	00:55:10
	We could like think on plan of what we're thinking featured out because we don't do that now, but.	00:55:14
	I wouldn't if I were the staff, I would just say.	00:55:21
	We probably shouldn't be spending time on that.	00:55:24
	Right. Is that?	00:55:26
	Are we still meeting with the Army Corps?	00:55:28
	We talked about that in the work session two weeks ago.	00:55:31
	And I think the.	00:55:35
	Kind of proposal for that area was.	00:55:36
	Put up a couple park benches and let people walk around it.	00:55:39
	This is honestly, yeah.	00:55:44
	Doesn't seem just to. I want to clarify.	00:55:45
	I mean, haven't worked with the Army Corps of Engineers, especially the Environmental division quite a bit.	00:55:47
	I can't say the word properly, but.	00:55:52
	Redialing eighteen. There we go.	00:55:55
	What all that does is it removes the Army Corps of Engineers is.	00:55:58
	Jurisdictional right.	00:56:02
	Over the wetlands.	00:56:03
	It does not remove the city's.	00:56:04
	I guess the city or yeah, the city's.	00:56:07
	Decision making, power and what to do with what to what to do with those weapons and.	00:56:11
	And for the the city I work for as a public works director.	00:56:14
	Owned hundreds and hundreds of acres.	00:56:18
	Of weapons and.	00:56:20
	Many of them were not under the jurisdiction of the Army Corps of Engineers. Yeah.	00:56:22
	And from what one in talking with Brian?	00:56:27
	Was Brian? That's a couple weeks ago. I talked with him and he was saying that.	00:56:31
	Phone Collins did a study.	00:56:34
	And determined that it wasn't a wetland so.	00:56:35
	Didn't fall.	00:56:37
	That's right.	00:56:38
	And then?	00:56:39
	They were just needing the Army Corps of Engineers and Brian, you could probably.	00:56:40
	Yeah, yeah, they're just.	00:56:44
	It needed a finalization.	00:56:47
	Something like that or it was another.	00:56:50
	Something. It was a step.	00:56:53
	For the grant.	00:56:54
	If I remember right, I don't think it wasn't for the grant, it was just.	00:56:55
	Just to finalize what it was, Yeah, because you were saying that Trump came in and change up wetlands. He changed the definition	00:57:00
	of wetlands. So. And Bone Collins.	00:57:05
	There are, consultants said. This is not a wetland. Yes, not deemed weapons.	00:57:09
	Not deemed wetlands under the new definition Under the new definition, Trump administration in 20 last.	00:57:15
	It was 18/20/17.	00:57:22
	His first term.	00:57:24
	OK, OK.	00:57:25
	All right.	00:57:28
	We will make sure that we.	00:57:31
	Are very cautious and.	00:57:33
	Cognitive, Anything we do over there.	00:57:35
	So awesome. Anything else on the on the Skate Park discussion that we want to go over today?	00:57:37
	Get that? OK.	00:57:44
	All righty, let's jump down to the Review Electric Mobility Devices ordinance.	00:57:47
	Or did someone say something on the?	00:57:52
	Yeah, I think Ryan's.	00:57:55
	OK.	00:57:56
	May OK.	00:58:02
	And then I'd say 5050 match, so if you have city we.	00:58:03
	At least 500,000 from around 10.	00:58:06
	OK, sounds good.	00:58:08
	Awesome. Sounds good and we're getting 20,000 a month and by May we OK, Yeah, that's what.	00:58:09
	Makes sense. OK, so.	00:58:15
	Very good.	00:58:17
	OK, let's jump into the.	00:58:19
	Electric mobility devices ordinance.	00:58:21
	Hold on, can you walk us through current state?	00:58:24
	What it is right now?	00:58:27
	On all these.	00:58:30
	Dirt. Electric dirt bikes.	00:58:31
	Cruising through town.	00:58:33
	Sure. So there are a few things that govern what can go on a sidewalk or a trail we have. There's a speed limit.	00:58:36
	Can't do more than 15 miles an hour? Doesn't matter whether you're on something you're pedaling.	00:58:44
	Or something that's electric that that's the speed limit on our sidewalks, on our trails.	00:58:48
	There's also.	00:58:53
	Provision in our code that says that you should not exceed a reasonable approval speed under the conditions given.	00:58:56
	Basically.	00:59:01
	Will travel safely.	00:59:03
	And then we also have the micro mobility device code we passed last year.	00:59:04
	Specifically more from the parks where you can't operate 1 recklessly through a park.	00:59:09
	And you can't be in any of the play areas of the park or the splash pad.	00:59:14
	And then the other thing in our code it does say that off Hwy. vehicles are not.	00:59:18
	Can't be operated on a sidewalk.	00:59:22
	The the new cheer ONS are like right on the like we could.	00:59:25
	Could we define them as a off Hwy. vehicle by state code? Probably.	00:59:28
	I mean, they do fit that, yeah.	00:59:33
	Because they don't have pedals or anything like that. It's just.	00:59:35
	That's kind of a Gray area whether we're going to call them off Hwy. vehicles or you know.	00:59:38
	These electric scooters or whatever we want to call them so.	00:59:42
	And those are the things that we have in right now. We also have something that says, you know, helmets are strongly encouraged.	00:59:46
	You know in our code right now.	00:59:53
	So encourage not required.	00:59:56
	Users of self-propelled mechanism on city trails or parkways are strongly encouraged to use helmets.	00:59:59
	So one of the things that we got that we need to take into account.	01:00:04
	As we talk about.	01:00:09
	If we want to make new ordinances, whatever it is, is the enforcement mechanism.	01:00:11
	Yeah. So if I come in to understand and I've got a 12 year old.	01:00:14
	It's broken one of these laws.	01:00:17
	I mean, yes. Could I send him to juvenile court for it? Probably.	01:00:19
	But more likely.	01:00:22
	The parent is the one.	01:00:24
	You know, was going to get in trouble. You know, we could put some mechanism to say.	01:00:25
	If a parent allows their children this, then we could you know.	01:00:29
	Take action against the parent.	01:00:32
	That is in our golf cart policy that that's a possibility, you know, for parents allowing their 12 year old to drive a golf cart.	01:00:35
	The parent could be liable for that.	01:00:39
	So just the hard part is especially on under the age of about 14.	01:00:43
	Whether we're going to, whether the court is going to accept or charge into the juvenile system.	01:00:48
	OK, so.	01:00:51
	OK, now we can put the rules. I mean, my guys, we can go out and educate as much as we can.	01:00:54
	My thought.	01:00:59
	Obviously we have the 2X recently.	01:01:01
	You know had won the rock broken femur and then.	01:01:02
	A head injury.	01:01:05
	Both at the same location.	01:01:06
	I believe in the scene is going to work on fixing that specific location.	01:01:08
	Are looking at it.	01:01:12
	And.	01:01:14
	My intent was.	01:01:15
	Follow up with those two families first.	01:01:17
	And then maybe we do some social media blitzes about.	01:01:19
	The current rules and make sure you know some safety stuff so.	01:01:22
	But I'm happy to entertain or look into and and I can.	01:01:28
	Look at other cities, what they're doing. We're pretty.	01:01:31
	Do you think that?	01:01:35
	We this is the education issue.	01:01:36
	Or a rules issue.	01:01:39
	I think a lot of it's an education issue and then a lot of it is.	01:01:42
	I mean, the rules. I mean they're not going 15 miles now. I've stopped.	01:01:48
	Several of them are going way faster than that. I saw Parker over the weekend going.	01:01:51
	17 I know.	01:01:55
	I was running.	01:02:00
	Education, because what we need is we need.	01:02:02
	Obviously when it comes to the youth, we need the parents to enforce the rules as far as helmets and speeds and ages.	01:02:05
	And those types of things, that's yeah, Mayor, I like that you.	01:02:11
	I'm going to, yeah.	01:02:15
	And that kid is going to do it more.	01:02:18
	Because I will have.	01:02:22
	Yeah.	01:02:25
	Sure, I like the idea of adding that to to.	01:02:27
	Motor vehicle that offer home vehicle policy so that parents are responsible like it is for golf carts.	01:02:30
	I think that's, I think that's a reasonable change to me.	01:02:36
	Having a parent here, that's probably the.	01:02:41
	A parent of the worst offenders in our whole city. Rachel, what do you think?	01:02:44
	Howard, please come up to the mic and let's get this on the record.	01:02:47
	Well, I'll take my name.	01:02:58
	Rachel Stratton.	01:02:59
	I think as a mom, sometimes it's hard.	01:03:02
	Not that.	01:03:04
	I don't have the rule.	01:03:06
	I think.	01:03:07
	The rule is helmet or I get your keys.	01:03:09
	Right.	01:03:11
	But there are times when I'm not home or Dad's not home.	01:03:12
	And they take off so.	01:03:15
	I think it's a hard.	01:03:17
	Balance, right?	01:03:19
	I have the rule. I also have independent children.	01:03:21
	Our strong.	01:03:25
	I don't know, I think.	01:03:26
	I think it's.	01:03:28
	Helpful to do a village mentality right where we've got.	01:03:29
	The officers helping.	01:03:32
	And I'm not saying that you need to be the bad guy or.	01:03:34
	Because I don't want to be. I'm not saying that.	01:03:37
	But.	01:03:38
	I think right like.	01:03:39
	Maybe we even have a helmet program, right? Like.	01:03:40
	Hey.	01:03:44
	Oh, look, I see you don't have your helmet on. Let's put this on right and you get.	01:03:45
	A2 strikes policy or something, I don't know. I'm not saying that that's.	01:03:49
	The answer but.	01:03:51
	I don't know, I think.	01:03:53
	We can work together.	01:03:54
	I think we'll probably have better results.	01:03:56
	Now for us, we are completely happy to always be the like enforcer, hey, where's your helmet and all and and help with them and	01:03:58
	those mentality.	01:04:02
	What my point is, I don't want there to be an expectation that I'm going to go out and give a citation.	01:04:07
	I mean.	01:04:14
	Yeah, I mean, you probably have 10 year olds driving, yes. Like so it's like at some point it's like.	01:04:15
	So I don't want. We are more than happy and we do all the time. Hey, where's your helmet exactly? Yeah, we'll continue to do that.	01:04:20
	So I I.	01:04:28
	I just want to make sure that there's always when it comes to.	01:04:30
	Passing ordinances I want there to be.	01:04:32
	What the expectation is and what the reality of what we can enforce to be aligned.	01:04:35
	Yeah, no.	01:04:40
	Well, I think kids do. We don't want kids to.	01:04:42
	There's already enough out there with.	01:04:45
	Law enforcement, right? I don't know that.	01:04:47
	Having my dad having dinner.	01:04:48
	Law enforcement officer I don't want.	01:04:50
	Kids to be thinking that.	01:04:52
	You're the evil one, right? I want, I want kids to recognize that.	01:04:54
	They're there to help and so I think if we can make it a positive thing.	01:04:59
	That would be great too, so.	01:05:02
	That's just my.	01:05:04
	Motherly sense.	01:05:05
	Also, I can't always.	01:05:08
	Make sure that they have their helmet on.	01:05:09
	Even though.	01:05:11
	That is the rule.	01:05:12
	I mean, is there a way we can?	01:05:14
	Is there a way?	01:05:16
	Chief, And we can, we can better enforce the 15 mile an hour speed limit.	01:05:17
	Within and what? What is the penalty for that if the?	01:05:21
	You catch some other a repeat offender.	01:05:24
	I think most of these inherently be like an infraction, so it's similar to like a speeding ticket.	01:05:27
	So when you're talking about citing a youth, though, that's especially when it's not a Veep, we're not driving a car.	01:05:32
	That goes to the juvenile court systems. We would refer a charge to the juvenile court system, which is different than you going	01:05:41
	and paying a speed, yeah.	01:05:44
	So I think, I think it makes sense to a couple of things make sense to me. I think a public just awareness campaign.	01:05:47
	Because we are coming off the.	01:05:54
	Heals of a couple nasty.	01:05:55
	Accidents, and I mean.	01:05:57
	No one wants that.	01:05:59
	Let's just.	01:06:00
	I don't want to be the safe.	01:06:02
	So.	01:06:05
	Education.	01:06:06
	Would be great.	01:06:07
	And then I think that we're just looking at the code.	01:06:08
	Or the ordinance, I think that would be in line.	01:06:11
	Because I do like the idea of maybe having the parents be more.	01:06:13
	Accountable.	01:06:17
	I'm happy. That makes sense. Look at our current codes, where we're at.	01:06:18
	And then?	01:06:21
	I think it would be and.	01:06:22
	It's not like if we caught your kids out of home. We're always in combination parent citation and more of hey.	01:06:23
	If you have the rule, are you trying to enforce it? And this is just one chance where they got out and you didn't have, didn't?	01:06:28
	You weren't home, That's fine.	01:06:34
	Whereas instead of you hey go go take it off on your motorcycle.	01:06:35
	Don't worry about your helmet is a different story.	01:06:38
	And your deputies haven't been on the receiving end of the phone calls or the visits. They've been super professional. But I think	01:06:40
	that's just like, that's probably plenty. Just yeah.	01:06:44
	Demo Call text.	01:06:48
	Knock on the door.	01:06:50
	But we could. I can look down the code and get that written up.	01:06:51
	Sounds good.	01:06:54
	Awesome.	01:06:56
	OK. Thank you.	01:06:58
	Anything else on the?	01:07:01
	On the active on that the.	01:07:02
	Device ordinance we want to talk about.	01:07:06
	So next steps for that so you'll look into the code.	01:07:08
	David, let's get.	01:07:12
	Let's work with.	01:07:14
	Let's just. I think it would be helpful to do a education blitz.	01:07:15
	On the current code.	01:07:18
	15 miles an hour on the sidewalks and the trails.	01:07:21
	And then how all that stuff can I ask Is there any?	01:07:24
	So we're talking about 15 miles an hour on trails and sidewalks.	01:07:29
	If that's enforced.	01:07:33
	It incentivizes people to ride them in the street.	01:07:35
	But we're talking about.	01:07:39
	Kids.	01:07:40
	In the street then.	01:07:41
	You add another layer of risk. Is there a rule that says how old you have to be to operate an electric vehicle?	01:07:43
	On the street, on the road versus on the trail.	01:07:49
	Not right now.	01:07:52
	So in theory.	01:07:55
	Because like the reality is you're going to get these 1012 year old.	01:07:56
	Boys on their E bikes out there.	01:07:59
	And they're all going 40 miles an hour.	01:08:02
	Blitzing through town if you get them off the.	01:08:04
	Under the sidewalk, you're just putting them on the street. You put them in the street.	01:08:06
	You have a greater risk of more catastrophic injury.	01:08:10
	You know, I have however been passed our house on a scooter going 40 miles an hour.	01:08:13
	Yes.	01:08:18
	My thought and it's.	01:08:20
	It's difficult and I don't, I don't have the answer. I'm trying to just think through and so I'll.	01:08:21
	Open if anybody wants to share thoughts.	01:08:25
	You know this.	01:08:28
	Fall, my son, six years old.	01:08:29
	Gets hit.	01:08:33
	By an older kid on a scooter who's going too fast and isn't paying attention.	01:08:34
	My son is just walking on the sidewalk.	01:08:39
	But gets a big bruised lip and bloody lip and black eye and everything as a result of that.	01:08:41
	The, you know, other kid helps him up and tries to be kind about it but then just zips off on a scooter anyway. So we don't know	01:08:46
	who hit him or what happened really. I mean.	01:08:51
	We saw him get hit, but then the kid leaves.	01:08:55
	So on the one hand you want to protect.	01:08:57
	Pedestrians who are on the sidewalk, using the trails, things like that.	01:09:00
	You don't necessarily want to.	01:09:04
	Dissuade or infringe on people's.	01:09:06
	Individual mobility.	01:09:08
	Or transportation.	01:09:10
	But there's.	01:09:13
	A liability or a risk to.	01:09:14
	Everyone in 1° or another depending on where they're at.	01:09:19
	Well, and those electric vehicles increase the danger for the people who actually are out walking.	01:09:22
	Correct.	01:09:27
	That's that's a problem too.	01:09:28
	On the one hand.	01:09:33
	My thought is I would.	01:09:34
	It's safer to put the electric vehicles moving very fast in the street with other fast moving things.	01:09:36
	Yeah, especially because, you know, generally speaking, we have some kind of wide trails in some areas of the city, but we don't	01:09:42
	in all areas of the city.	01:09:46
	But then you run the risk of.	01:09:51
	That's a much greater risk to the individual, especially when they're a youth.	01:09:53
	So I'm just.	01:09:58
	Sharing thoughts, spitballing out here.	01:09:59
	It's a conundrum.	01:10:01
	Yeah, solution.	01:10:03
	Rachel, you're gonna have another thing to say.	01:10:04
	Like a thought too, because.	01:10:07
	I think haven't some of these been on site like they've been on sidewalks?	01:10:09
	Like lighting how like.	01:10:13
	Because certain areas aren't lit as well either at night, you know.	01:10:14
	I'm leaving at night too so maybe requiring?	01:10:18
	A light on your.	01:10:20
	Vehicle you know to also help prevent.	01:10:23
	Some of this as well.	01:10:25
	Question about that specifically.	01:10:27
	So like I have a.	01:10:30
	A side by side my side by side street legal so I had to get.	01:10:31
	Mirrors. I had to get lights, how to get turn signals, all that stuff on it.	01:10:34
	Is there a requirement?	01:10:38
	For like if somebody put an E bike or.	01:10:39
	Or an electric vehicle on the streets. Does it have to meet those same requirements or know if it's a smaller single passenger	01:10:43
	type thing?	01:10:47
	Technically, they probably they'd fall more under the bicycle coats. They could ride the bike lane on the streets. I mean,	01:10:51
	reflectors probably.	01:10:55
	You know, but not necessarily a headlight.	01:11:00
	Sure, and they can ease their arm for a turn signal.	01:11:02
	Our golf carts we did put in a policy in our code that.	01:11:05
	If they're at night they have to have headlights, tail lights, inside reflectors.	01:11:08
	So Daria, do you have some thoughts?	01:11:12
	I'd also love to hear Kim Smith. I've seen your boys go 16 miles an hour, so I'd love to hear your thoughts on this as well.	01:11:16
	I I would like to see a helmet.	01:11:22
	Provision that.	01:11:27
	They need to wear helmets.	01:11:30
	Whether it's in a bike lane or in the middle of the road, if they're going 40, if they're going, if.	01:11:34
	If.	01:11:39
	Bike is going 28 miles an hour. They're full throttle.	01:11:40
	They need to wear a helmet. They are putting their life in danger.	01:11:44
	They need to be responsible.	01:11:48
	I my electric bike has.	01:11:50
	Light in the front has.	01:11:53
	Electric rear.	01:11:54
	Right, it has turn signals.	01:11:56
	And I am afraid now.	01:11:59
	To ride.	01:12:00
	In the road and.	01:12:01
	In the bike lanes because it is so dangerous and I wear a helmet.	01:12:04
	And I think it would be.	01:12:08
	The proper thing?	01:12:11
	To make the parents.	01:12:12
	Accountable to have.	01:12:15
	Youth wear helmets.	01:12:17
	I mean, I hate to be a.	01:12:19
	A toughie, but.	01:12:22
	I don't think it's a bad thing if the child gets.	01:12:23
	Sent to, you know, juvenile hug, get a violation to go to juvenile hall and get a talking to.	01:12:29
	Because this.	01:12:35
	Life or death situations for some of these kids.	01:12:37
	A little 6 year old boy he should not be.	01:12:40
	Hit on the sidewalk.	01:12:44
	Like that?	01:12:46
	So that's just my thoughts and I'm sorry I'm being.	01:12:47
	That way.	01:12:50
	You're not really, but that's my feeling.	01:12:51
	Love it.	01:12:53
	Ken, what are your thoughts?	01:12:54
	Do I have to come get to that?	01:12:57
	How do we handle this?	01:13:00
	And I give the rules and I'm not always home either. And.	01:13:03
	I would honestly love to call you and say go find.	01:13:08
	Anytime.	01:13:12
	But having worked for an injury attorney as well, I think there is tons of liability putting the kids on the road.	01:13:13
	And I've seen it in CASES and ACM.	01:13:21
	Try and use the insurances and then they go to the city.	01:13:24
	So I myself.	01:13:27
	It's just one of those things we don't have answers and we've got to try different.	01:13:29
	It seems to me that.	01:13:38
	Any vehicle that has proposed.	01:13:41
	How propulsion other than your own?	01:13:43
	Muscle movement.	01:13:46
	Ought to be obviously different class of vehicle.	01:13:48
	So the old-fashioned push scooters is one thing with these.	01:13:50
	Used electric propelled scooters are a whole different.	01:13:54
	Different animal.	01:13:57
	And it seems to me that they are.	01:13:58
	We have this intermediate class we have to deal with.	01:13:59
	Yeah, my, I mean.	01:14:02
	This is just the thought that I'm formulating, but I think.	01:14:05
	It's hard for me to want to support anything that.	01:14:10
	Bridges on the individual right of someone.	01:14:13
	And until it comes to safety for others.	01:14:17
	Right, so my thought would be.	01:14:20
	It I mean as a best practice it's probably better to advocate or push them towards the bike lane.	01:14:23
	It's where they're moving more in speed with other.	01:14:30
	People and objects moving at that same speed.	01:14:34
	Keep them off the sidewalks.	01:14:39
	Maybe a trail is a little bit up for more discussion. A trail is similar to the.	01:14:41
	Bike land. I mean, they're typically wider, but.	01:14:45
	I know like a lot of the trails, for example down by the lakeside.	01:14:48
	Lakeshore Trail has the No.	01:14:51
	No motorized, no electric vehicle signs up.	01:14:52
	So then you run into it more, maybe around the parks.	01:14:57
	But you don't want.	01:15:01
	You don't want to.	01:15:02
	Hitting pedestrians or around the pedestrians because that's where the biggest risk is for.	01:15:02
	Others.	01:15:07
	I agree with you there. I think, I think where I'm at on this, let's do.	01:15:12
	I think that's going back.	01:15:15
	I think that we.	01:15:17
	Well, we can start right away is just doing a public education campaign and start having our social media gal.	01:15:19
	Start pushing this out a 15 mile an hour.	01:15:25
	Let's let's start there.	01:15:29
	And then let's just look deeper into the code because I think this is a.	01:15:31
	These electric.	01:15:34
	Scooters or whatever the dirt bikes they're.	01:15:37
	There's something that I'm hearing a lot of other mayors trying to grapple with this in their cities. They're like, how do we	01:15:39
	handle this?	01:15:42
	And so I think that.	01:15:45
	1st I mean if we can.	01:15:47
	Ultimately previous skip.	01:15:49
	Helmets at 15 miles an hour. I think a lot of the problems are going to go away and that comes down to education.	01:15:50
	Right. And so I think let's do that.	01:15:56
	And I must look too. I like the helmet provision.	01:15:59
	To are you right now? Are your deputies.	01:16:01
	If someone is.	01:16:06
	If someone's cruising.	01:16:07
	Down a.	01:16:08
	Let's just say a trail going.	01:16:10
	40 Are they pulling them over right now? Are they?	01:16:12
	Yeah, they will. Oh yeah.	01:16:16
	OK, so they're stopping.	01:16:18
	And what about the helmets? If they're cruising without a helmet, are they? Then they'll tell me you need to have a helmet if	01:16:19
	they're going 40 with no helmet. But if they're even if they're not going 20 or whatever it is, you know, we're pretty big.	01:16:24
	I mean, I'm.	01:16:30
	I'm a huge advocate of it's got Will, he's got a helmet on.	01:16:30
	So, yeah, yeah.	01:16:33
	Control the trials, too. As we're driving, we'll see the trails. We don't necessarily patrol on the trails because, you know, so.	01:16:35
	But you're just, yeah.	01:16:42
	The trails that are next to the.	01:16:43
	So maybe let's just start out with that with the public education and then look at the.	01:16:47
	Putting putting a little more teeth in, saying.	01:16:53
	Helmets. Umm.	01:16:56
	We work on getting some options. Yep.	01:16:58
	Just Yep.	01:16:59
	Talk to some other people that you're.	01:17:00
	How? Because this is a.	01:17:02
	This is a boondoggle, so.	01:17:04
	Yeah, the difficulty in this even when I was doing the the other code is.	01:17:07
	We need to balance pedestrians with people that are on bikes and everything else and the problem is you can't just say	01:17:11
	self-propelled because there's so many of them.	01:17:14
	A skateboard. The skateboards were self-propelled. Now in the.	01:17:18
	One wheels and the E bikes and there's so many.	01:17:21
	To try to classify one given one versus the other. Very difficult so.	01:17:24
	That's why it was more of a blanket micro mobility device.	01:17:28
	So, and I think, I think the end goal is like if we can get people going 15 miles an hour on the trails and keep the self real	01:17:32
	stuff on the trails, that's probably the best way to handle it.	01:17:36
	And then get people wearing helmets.	01:17:41
	Right.	01:17:43
	And our son is like this ones ugly or whatever like.	01:17:47
	Education, right like.	01:17:54
	This one's deal to be approved and this is, you know, like this is what we recommend.	01:17:55
	But it's not also the wall.	01:18:00
	Yeah, yeah.	01:18:01
	Mom, you don't know what you're talking about. I know fashion fees, but I think there are probably other moms that feel the same	01:18:03
	way and if it's coming from.	01:18:06
	Someone else?	01:18:10
	You know what? Yeah, that whole face mask actually willing to protect you and.	01:18:11
	You know this.	01:18:16
	Can we give this education go to the schools as well?	01:18:19
	That's a great question. I think that it almost feels added to the Nova program.	01:18:23
	Yeah, we do a so so May is our bike month.	01:18:27
	And we do a bike to school day and we're always there handing out pencils. Anybody's riding a bike. And we're always talking about	01:18:30
	how I'll thanks for having your helmet on. Hey, where's your helmet?	01:18:34
	We also do the bike rodeo where we do a whole lesson on why you should wear a helmet with the watermelon drop and.	01:18:39
	The one in the helmet doesn't break and the one out just goes everywhere. So so we do all those things as well. But we can	01:18:45
	definitely increase that and we can.	01:18:49
	Do more like right now we've been going around doing the cookies with cops in the schools. We did that this morning talking about	01:18:53
	online safety. We could definitely do another campaign talk about some of this stuff as well.	01:18:58
	Yeah, and involving the parents as well, yeah.	01:19:03
	Yeah, all the different schools can't be incorporated into their and we implement that into our school in your cares program and	01:19:09
	safety and.	01:19:13
	Maybe that could also be part of the requirement for the grant.	01:19:19
	Is talking about.	01:19:22
	Transportation, yeah.	01:19:25
	I think this.	01:19:28
	OK, we can certainly.	01:19:35
	You can certainly look at that.	01:19:37
	We have some.	01:19:39
	Yes, we'll discuss it the next board, people.	01:19:42
	I don't know a lot, but my lady on the board.	01:19:45
	We know exactly what we need to get the grant and we will follow that.	01:19:48
	And if it's in there, we'll implement it into our schools.	01:19:52
	OK, this is something where they're below 18. They have to.	01:19:55
	Do a little class, like a 30 minute class or something.	01:20:01
	To be able to use it, you know.	01:20:04
	We we have talked about like a bike registration.	01:20:07
	Program or something like that. We could look at something like that.	01:20:10
	Yeah, so.	01:20:13
	You know, and as much as I can say stuff, I think it's helpful to hear multiple person.	01:20:16
	Yeah, awesome. Thank you for putting up with our children.	01:20:21
	I have kids too.	01:20:28
	His kids go 17 miles an hour.	01:20:31
	So he understands his voice too.	01:20:33
	All right.	01:20:41
	Let's do that. Let's.	01:20:42
	More constant getting this stuff DK let's work on getting some.	01:20:43
	Just I think.	01:20:46
	That would be good, Blitz, especially when we're coming in the spring and they're gonna start be riding them more and more.	01:20:47
	Yeah, yeah.	01:20:56
	OK.	01:20:57
	We will keep working on this and I don't know if this is anything that.	01:20:59
	Will ever be like perfect but.	01:21:02
	I think the intent is just to keep working on it.	01:21:06
	And keep going so.	01:21:09
	Anything else before we jump into the 400 S planning discussion?	01:21:12
	OK, All right, let's jump down to 400 S.	01:21:15
	David Larae, would you mind leading out on?	01:21:19
	That discussion.	01:21:22
	You bet.	01:21:23
	Perfect. Thank you.	01:21:24
	OK, so attached to the agenda in the.	01:21:25
	Was a large.	01:21:28
	A long map of.	01:21:30
	400,000.	01:21:31
	Anyway we can bring that up so we look at it.	01:21:32
	Anyway, it shows it shows the proposed.	01:21:38
	A proposed proposed.	01:21:41
	Rao OR had the striping plan and so forth.	01:21:42
	For 1/4 S from from Geneva Rd. over to Main Street.	01:21:47
	And most of that is constructed already, but there have been.	01:21:52
	Re striping issues.	01:21:57
	Along.	01:21:59
	Anyway, there are several intersections along the other that we're working on.	01:22:01
	One of them has been.	01:22:05
	Is in the state of.	01:22:06
	It's violent and it's to be constructed, I guess, this summer.	01:22:07
	And that's the they're going to realign the exit from the the.	01:22:12
	The parking lot from the sports park with the street that is opposite it.	01:22:16
	And put a light in.	01:22:21
	Traffic signal and a four, you know, four ways.	01:22:23
	Because they want appropriate crosswalks and controls and so forth.	01:22:25
	And that's and that's really needed.	01:22:29
	There's also some other areas you need to look at we.	01:22:32
	And on this plan there is a.	01:22:35
	A re redoing or we.	01:22:37
	We don't know rerouting I guess of the.	01:22:40
	Of some of the parking along front of the Vineyard Elementary School. I don't think that's a.	01:22:42
	The final plan of this one, that's one issue there.	01:22:47
	Yeah, that's that's it.	01:22:52
	We're gonna get bigger, yeah.	01:22:55
	Yeah, hit hit control plus a few times.	01:22:57
	OK, so.	01:23:02
	Yeah, on the right side.	01:23:03
	You on the right side of that thing, you'll see go.	01:23:04
	The intersection with Geneva Rd.	01:23:06
	That comes in the 1st St. coming W there is a Vineyard Rd.	01:23:09
	Funeral attaches to.	01:23:14
	For herself. Right there you'll see opposite St. You'll see the little county corner there there's an exit from the.	01:23:15
	School parking lot.	01:23:23
	It seems to me one of the one of the plans is to realign that so that that.	01:23:25
	So that becomes a regular intersection.	01:23:28
	It seems that you know that could.	01:23:31
	That could happen and.	01:23:33
	We'd like to I'd like to find out what it would take to.	01:23:35
	Get that project going. It's because that's.	01:23:39
	That involves vineyards and it involves Orem.	01:23:41
	Talking about coming out of the east parking lot.	01:23:45
	Yeah, 1.1 point.	01:23:49
	So.	01:23:56
	Right here you'll see there's. This is where the exit is now.	01:23:57
	That's moved over.	01:24:00
	You know, for you to move that over.	01:24:01
	So the lines this corner here.	01:24:03
	We can make a controlled intersection there.	01:24:06
	And this control of lights.	01:24:08
	They could be synced with the lights on.	01:24:11
	Geneva Rd. Alleviate backups.	01:24:13
	Now we're close to that.	01:24:17
	That we would have a lot of trouble.	01:24:18
	We didn't synchronize.	01:24:21
	Because that was all you got.	01:24:22
	And I think it can be done, but we have to.	01:24:24
	What's that cut out?	01:24:26
	I don't think we have to get proposals on engineering costs and what we do.	01:24:29
	How to do that and the cost?	01:24:33
	But it seems to me this is a program.	01:24:36
	We're working on this.	01:24:38
	A couple feet houses from through.	01:24:40
	The most recent one.	01:24:42
	Have happened when the young lady was hit over here in this area. There's no mass that between Geneva Road and Feeder Rd.	01:24:43
	Since she was dragged over here to the point where.	01:24:50
	Benches down the radar.	01:24:53
	Capacity and and that's a.	01:24:55
	So this is this corner needs to be addressed.	01:24:58
	Because we've already had the pallets here, we.	01:25:01
	Fix that and I know it's.	01:25:03
	Lists to be looked at.	01:25:05
	You need to as a way to reprioritize that and bring it up. So we're looking at it.	01:25:07
	Fixing it sooner.	01:25:11
	I know it's way down to some other list.	01:25:13
	So correct, that's the field.	01:25:16
	The boundary is right here.	01:25:22
	That's what the fence is kind of. That's the private property, right? Yes. So it wouldn't involve private property. This involved	01:25:24
	a school problem.	01:25:27
	It would involve extending their current driveway.	01:25:31
	Across, across the front. Will y'all pray this?	01:25:34
	Over here connecting it and then moving this this entrance over to align with that.	01:25:37
	So it would take a little bit.	01:25:42
	Take some funding to do that.	01:25:43
	And legendary work to see how that would look like.	01:25:45
	This is 1 proposal I I don't think it's it fully answers a model because even if the bulls are just pulling the line.	01:25:50
	What's that? I like to see if we can.	01:25:59
	Where did where did the proposal for that come from, do you know?	01:26:05
	This proposal was offered by.	01:26:09
	A resident, Sean.	01:26:11
	He was looking at a complete plan for 400 S.	01:26:13
	He lives over this area over here that's affected by the.	01:26:16
	Holograms over here.	01:26:20
	Is affected by the park.	01:26:21
	We have lots of, lots of people that use this park.	01:26:23
	For soccer on a regular basis, even for the winter, we have to talk about completely full types.	01:26:26
	In the summer there's incredible workflows and they can actually use the church parking lot over here as.	01:26:31
	As overflow park.	01:26:36
	Been gracious about that.	01:26:38
	Complain about it.	01:26:40
	And when people walk back over here.	01:26:41
	His proposal with with with.	01:26:44
	With more parking over over here. Admiral Parking.	01:26:47
	The section here is owned by.	01:26:50
	It's not that not used for anything else right now.	01:26:52
	OK, sorry.	01:26:59
	I guess I could probably hold it.	01:27:02
	Anyway, so.	01:27:04
	And so this would.	01:27:05
	Anyway, this area here, he said we have he has trouble getting out of his St.	01:27:08
	Onto Florida South and it's a real problem.	01:27:12
	Was when we had lots of soccer games going on and so forth. They just have a hard time getting in and out.	01:27:17
	And so it would be nice to be able to find a way to.	01:27:22
	To make this a smoother flow.	01:27:24
	Flow pattern.	01:27:26
	Also.	01:27:27
	We have the.	01:27:29
	The corner of the.	01:27:29
	Listening to this.	01:27:31
	That's about it.	01:27:32
	So the other thing with the corner of Holdaway Rd.	01:27:34
	You'll see that this.	01:27:38
	This the ideal format for the road with sidewalks. You know the.	01:27:39
	The street with over here is really an ideal.	01:27:43
	I deal with a night layout.	01:27:46
	And extending that.	01:27:48
	Long along the extension.	01:27:49
	Of long been your Rd. where it's already there extends over here to this roundabout.	01:27:52
	I think it's good.	01:27:56
	Can you skip that graphic over?	01:27:58
	It comes over next roundabout. It's roundabouts right here is proposed here and.	01:28:03
	Also there was an.	01:28:06
	Former plans There has been a road plan for here to come back over here.	01:28:08
	And link into a.	01:28:12
	The Elms neighborhood.	01:28:16
	The town maples.	01:28:19
	Helps. OK. Thank you.	01:28:21
	Anyway, it comes and so that would be.	01:28:23
	They would answer their.	01:28:24
	We also have residents that are now living down here in this Holdaway Fields area that.	01:28:26
	Are concerned about the way their children.	01:28:30
	You can get to school. They didn't want them to walk to school when this road goes through.	01:28:33
	But they want a safe sidewalk.	01:28:37
	And so we need to make sure we have.	01:28:39
	Adequate sidewalks to be able to handle that.	01:28:41
	And so as we continue this, we.	01:28:44
	I I think it's.	01:28:46
	Now we haven't seen, I haven't seen a full on plan I've seen.	01:28:48
	Some plans for.	01:28:51
	An entryway over here and so forth, but I think we haven't seen a full cross section here.	01:28:53
	Of how that would work was built out.	01:28:58
	And I wonder if we could ask.	01:29:00
	Engineering to work on the bigger.	01:29:02
	Put a priority on that so they can.	01:29:04
	You know, bring out the fruition soon.	01:29:07
	I know that the.	01:29:10
	The developers of hallway fields are anxious.	01:29:11
	Together.	01:29:13
	The clarification on this road and they want to be able to proceed.	01:29:14
	And they have.	01:29:18
	Anyway, they're offering different proposals.	01:29:20
	It'll switch around the delivery of different parcels to be able to.	01:29:23
	And I'll start building again on sections.	01:29:27
	Those negotiations could be prioritized as well so they can.	01:29:31
	Settle that for them.	01:29:35
	So they can move forward.	01:29:36
	And also established for us exactly the.	01:29:37
	You know, they want, they want to amend the.	01:29:40
	Developer agreement.	01:29:43
	And I think we need to look at that and make sure that.	01:29:44
	That we approve of the things they want to do and make sure we are.	01:29:47
	Our needs are met.	01:29:50
	So I think we should try to, you know, actively.	01:29:52
	Negotiate with them about that and get that settled.	01:29:55
	And as soon as we can get this all done.	01:29:58
	Over here then you know we can have.	01:30:01
	Kids safely travel to school.	01:30:03
	They can also have traffic come over here which will take them off of a lot. Holdaway Rd. which is the only other access besides	01:30:05
	Vineyard Rd. over there and both of those.	01:30:09
	This is a narrow Rd. meant just to be a residential area.	01:30:14
	It's the only neighborhood we have that has this.	01:30:17
	Blu-ray through it.	01:30:20
	That provides.	01:30:21
	You know the people uses access from one part of the city to the other.	01:30:22
	And so.	01:30:26
	Completing this road here would allow them to come down Main St.	01:30:27
	And going up 400.	01:30:30
	And had a better traffic rule there.	01:30:32
	So that would that would ease the.	01:30:34
	Now the burden on hold the road, it would also.	01:30:36
	You know, allow for.	01:30:40
	I'll offer bear traffic flow.	01:30:41
	So I I.	01:30:43
	This has been a sort of thorn in our side for some time.	01:30:45
	And we have an opportunity now to to help make it better.	01:30:48
	And I would like to see if we can to reprioritize efforts on that to.	01:30:51
	To get that taken care of.	01:30:57
	I know we have a lot of issues other we have other issues to 800 N is the big issue that we're in Main St.	01:30:59
	I agree it needs to be looked at and addressed.	01:31:05
	Well, I think this is this is coming up to be almost as bad.	01:31:08
	I appreciate that.	01:31:13
	Comments on this?	01:31:18
	By the park.	01:31:28
	Is this right right here?	01:31:32
	But it is awkwardly comes up the street and down and then comes into these neighborhoods, right?	01:31:35
	This is still Vineyard here, but this is forum.	01:31:41
	These two are vineyards.	01:31:45
	Isn't the horror line?	01:31:47
	OK. And it'll be two, two down here all along. There's there's 4 cul de sacs.	01:31:49
	Correct, correct.	01:31:53
	So what is the exact proposal then?	01:31:55
	The current state is that right now.	01:31:58
	That this road here.	01:32:00
	This way it's much larger, correct?	01:32:03
	This road here is Roger, this one here needs to be want.	01:32:09
	They want to preserve.	01:32:13
	I'm sorry, I got lost, right? That's need to be wider. They're going to widen this year.	01:32:15
	And and the format that's here with with.	01:32:20
	This is I hear from the church this area here.	01:32:23
	Everyone seems to agree that that's probably the best.	01:32:26
	Best alignment for the road?	01:32:28
	With the with the lanes and everything and so.	01:32:30
	We want to continue this alignment.	01:32:32
	Down here, through the roundabout and on down to Main Street.	01:32:33
	That's that's the proposal.	01:32:37
	Yes, that's actually going to happen that.	01:32:44
	The park, the school that's actually been funded and it's going to happen this summer is that.	01:32:46
	Yes, you're speaking.	01:32:53
	This is This is.	01:32:55
	This is getting filled.	01:32:56
	Yeah, that'll be done this summer.	01:32:58
	This year.	01:33:01
	Sorry I.	01:33:07
	I got a message that people are having a hard time hearing online.	01:33:08
	Without the mic.	01:33:10
	All right.	01:33:13
	We'll go back to our chairs.	01:33:16
	So from what I understand.	01:33:22
	Well, what I know is that.	01:33:24
	The entrance that goes into the soccer complex, that realignment is left out the bid right now.	01:33:26
	And that is a program to be done. I think it's spring. They're they're jumping on it right away.	01:33:32
	The one down at the school that you.	01:33:38
	You were asking about, I believe Rachel, that is still TBD. We've got to get with the new school.	01:33:40
	Because that affects.	01:33:45
	School District.	01:33:48
	Property right, because we're saying we.	01:33:49
	We would recommend.	01:33:51
	Getting rid of some of the field and that's not a property, so we can't.	01:33:53
	Do that.	01:33:56
	And then the the point that the the discussion that what the decision needs to be.	01:33:58
	Made in the direction I think right away is.	01:34:02
	From basically.	01:34:07
	All the way Rd.	01:34:08
	Down to.	01:34:10
	Umm, Main St.	01:34:12
	So.	01:34:13
	Is that a good uh.	01:34:15
	Summation. And we would like to maintain the alignment that exists right now in front of the church there.	01:34:16
	Between the church and.	01:34:22
	And the public, anyway.	01:34:24
	That that that's that's the ideal alignment. We like to try to maintain that. OK, so this is honestly I.	01:34:26
	I can't forgive me for.	01:34:32
	I saw this on the agenda this morning and I with this map. I didn't get a chance to review the attached exhibit prior to this	01:34:34
	meeting.	01:34:38
	But I did send out an e-mail to you, Mayor.	01:34:42
	Just prior to this thing and I know that did not give you enough time to review.	01:34:45
	So the thinner city does have a complete design for.	01:34:49
	The section between.	01:34:54
	Hallway Rd. of.	01:34:55
	Before I stop between Holdaway Rd. going westbound.	01:34:57
	To the oh I feel its property line.	01:34:59
	Which is probably like just shy of the roundabout.	01:35:02
	Which matches the alignment.	01:35:06
	Of 400 SE of Holloway Rd.	01:35:08
	Right where that church is.	01:35:12
	And also.	01:35:14
	Addresses that.	01:35:15
	Ask you the crosswalk at the intersection of pullaway roads.	01:35:16
	It for ourselves and also add stability to add.	01:35:19
	Stop signs.	01:35:22
	Eye control thing there so.	01:35:23
	We do have final designs.	01:35:25
	Completed, stamped and sealed by a professional engineer.	01:35:27
	For that section of railway which aligns to the.	01:35:30
	Existing roadway.	01:35:34
	It was. It also aligns to the actual Transportation Commission and Planning Commission.	01:35:36
	And development agreement as well.	01:35:41
	OK, so my understanding that that that was that.	01:35:43
	Those are some of the plans that Council hold away objected to. I don't know that I never received any objections from any council	01:35:46
	members. These plans were completed.	01:35:51
	Literally, I began. I didn't believe, though.	01:35:56
	At the very end of the calendar year slash beginning with the.	01:35:59
	Of this calendar year, so.	01:36:02
	We have a house. You have to do anything with them.	01:36:04
	Is it possible to get copies of those so we can take a look at 100% Sir?	01:36:06
	Yeah. So like I said, those were the plans that were there were alignments to the.	01:36:12
	Public feedback that we received, excuse me, the feedback that was received.	01:36:16
	From Vapor Transportation Commission and Planning Commission, I also believe the.	01:36:21
	City Council as.	01:36:24
	Well, all the time I.	01:36:25
	I can't.	01:36:27
	Site dates off top of my head but.	01:36:29
	And they also align with the Transportation Master Plan, which was approved 2025.	01:36:32
	Doctor Castillo should plan. Approved in 2023.	01:36:38
	As well as maintaining.	01:36:42
	And everything. Excuse me?	01:36:44
	And maintain the cross section.	01:36:46
	The former South.	01:36:49
	The cross section 404 hundred southeast of.	01:36:51
	Hold the road, I just want to remind.	01:36:54
	The Council here.	01:36:56
	Again, this happened before your time, so it's not really a reminder, it's a statement.	01:36:58
	For the first time, there we go.	01:37:02
	That's Orem City.	01:37:03
	Proposed the changing of the.	01:37:06
	In late 2025.	01:37:09
	As well as provides us that design that was that's currently implemented.	01:37:11
	Then you're saying that was the partner?	01:37:16
	To that because.	01:37:18
	They extended their.	01:37:19
	The stripping into bigger city at the time.	01:37:20
	Seven years. It was a park in 2000.	01:37:23
	But the proposal came from Warm City.	01:37:25
	On that. So we would definitely have to work with Orem City.	01:37:28
	To go backwards.	01:37:31
	I want to say well backwards too.	01:37:32
	Dugout ads another direction.	01:37:34
	On that, but they were the ones who were a proponent.	01:37:36
	To that realignment.	01:37:39
	This one and then I just want to give you a heads up and.	01:37:42
	Of course, working with the dot. We have a great partner with working with dot.	01:37:44
	I believe we can always find solutions with the OT.	01:37:48
	And that's in regards to the.	01:37:52
	That's in regards to the roadway section, that's.	01:37:56
	Approaches Geneva Rd. Excuse me.	01:37:59
	OK, OK.	01:38:03
	I'm sorry. And Mayor, if you want me to send out an e-mail with the attachment, I can. I can do that.	01:38:07
	That would be that'd be awesome. OK, Yeah. Thank you.	01:38:11
	OK, so this.	01:38:15
	Looks like it covers that so.	01:38:17
	Yeah, I know there was.	01:38:22
	We need to go out the Council and hold away on this discussion too, because I know there was.	01:38:23
	He was concerned about some turn lanes that were being added in. He wasn't sure about those not seeing turn lanes on this. This	01:38:27
	right here. Great, then let's maybe that's problems gone away.	01:38:32
	OK.	01:38:37
	What is the What is cadence?	01:38:41
	Waiting on are they? So let me show you, David, let's look at this real quick. So this right here.	01:38:43
	So the map I'm looking at right here, it just this is a continuation what's in front of the Rileys house and Ryan's house?	01:38:49
	Right right down there.	01:38:55
	Are they looking for direction? So here's the roundabout on the size of the road from the roundabout.	01:38:57
	West.	01:39:02
	Yes, they, they, they, they are looking for that. They, they want to get the that nailed down.	01:39:05
	OK.	01:39:09
	And I know they're interested in.	01:39:12
	In changing the order of delivery of various.	01:39:15
	Various parcels of.	01:39:19
	Each they want to change the phasing of the project a little bit.	01:39:21
	They want to deliver at different parks, at different times and so forth.	01:39:25
	And I think we're agreeable to that.	01:39:29
	But the other issue is that they.	01:39:32
	They were in their development agreement. They locked in.	01:39:35
	Impact fees at the level.	01:39:39
	Existed the time that.	01:39:41
	We met a slide.	01:39:44
	And and they were quite they're insufficiently to cover the expenses that.	01:39:45
	The city doesn't occurring and so.	01:39:50
	They would, we've asked them as part of that negotiation.	01:39:52
	Increase that impact fee.	01:39:55
	On the lots, and they so far have.	01:39:57
	They don't find that.	01:40:00
	I can't agree to that.	01:40:01
	So it seems to me we needed.	01:40:02
	To have a chat room about that and see if we can't find a middle ground.	01:40:04
	OK, sounds good.	01:40:07
	Naseem, what is next steps?	01:40:10
	To lock this in.	01:40:12
	I can pick up on the development agreement part, yeah.	01:40:14
	I actually just emailed them as well as the council today that we will be doing a public hearing.	01:40:17
	For their application for the development agreement.	01:40:22
	Amendment. Uh.	01:40:25
	Which does impact the impact fees as well as the phasing of their development.	01:40:26
	And we have that on the calendar for Planning Commission.	01:40:31
	On.	01:40:34
	March 4th and then City Council for the 10th.	01:40:35
	So those would be public hearings.	01:40:38
	For the development agreement amendment, and then we'd essentially get that recorded and then that would be the new development	01:40:40
	agreement we'd be working off of.	01:40:43
	As Councilman Larry.	01:40:47
	Mention if we can come to an agreement on how those impact fees, how we we figure that out because that's been the biggest	01:40:49
	sticking point here is that is that a sticking point that they just don't want to pay additional impact fees? Yeah. So, so we	01:40:55
	recently had like the the parking master plan impact fees implemented in the city budget and and they don't want to pay those.	01:41:00
	And and we, we could talk with them as well.	01:41:07
	About how they are bringing some parks into the city to see if they get credit for that or something like that.	01:41:09
	But we've.	01:41:15
	Just kind of just stalemate with them. And so they they did actually today request to be on the the City Council agenda for a work	01:41:16
	session.	01:41:19
	Before they go to the public hearing and that would be?	01:41:23
	Next week, if if the Council wants to hear from them, from the applicant themselves on this issue, I I will mention the	01:41:26
	development agreement.	01:41:29
	Application that they've submitted does nothing with this right of way or with the the street design here.	01:41:33
	It is only the fading and the impact these.	01:41:38
	Correct. Umm.	01:41:41
	OK.	01:41:42
	Awesome.	01:41:44
	OK, so back to the 400 S discussion. Kim, did you want to say anything about the 400 S? This makes sense, I mean.	01:41:46
	It seemed like your concern was just.	01:41:53
	Getting rid of the.	01:41:54
	David, this get this right here.	01:41:56
	From what I understand.	01:41:59
	This plan.	01:42:01
	Does Jake have to get rid of his?	01:42:02
	The Hill.	01:42:03
	Right here in the tractor, because that's been the concern of many of the neighbors. It's just too high.	01:42:04
	Right. Yeah, I don't.	01:42:08
	The answer is I don't know. The stakes are so I don't know how.	01:42:09
	I don't know if you're happy or not.	01:42:14
	OK, so.	01:42:16
	Yeah, yeah.	01:42:17
	Yeah. I'm sorry, I got my geotech engineering half. Yeah, critically, those type of things can always be addressed with retaining	01:42:18
	walls, et cetera, et cetera. So.	01:42:22
	I mean whenever you put it.	01:42:26
	To amount with a little thing on top of it.	01:42:28
	You know, physics says that you get an exponential.	01:42:31
	Pressure.	01:42:33
	So when the city put the entertainment city, do that.	01:42:34
	Cities are currently on that, however, oftentimes when working with local adjacent homeowners.	01:42:37
	The city may choose to.	01:42:43
	Provide.	01:42:45
	Accommodations.	01:42:47
	At but that's usually at the discretion of Council and.	01:42:49
	So I talked to Jake about it and what he said to me. He said he's fine moving the tractor and getting rid of the hill. It's like	01:42:52
	that's fine.	01:42:55
	That was his comment to me.	01:42:59
	Yeah, and you held a happy quite so high either.	01:43:02
	Yeah.	01:43:05
	He knows that.	01:43:05
	You guys agreed to that?	01:43:07
	Yeah, I.	01:43:08
	Yeah, so.	01:43:11
	The time frame of when it would be connected.	01:43:14
	The Chapel social season.	01:43:16
	Yeah, the good question the the developer wanted to he really wants to get going on it. He.	01:43:20
	He said he would have paved it last.	01:43:26
	Fall but he just they.	01:43:28
	Just ran out of time.	01:43:30
	So from what he has told me, it's.	01:43:31
	First thing this spring.	01:43:35
	So as soon as the asphalt plants get up and going.	01:43:37
	So.	01:43:39
	It is all going to remain the same.	01:43:42
	Well, that's that's the question that I have. It's I would.	01:43:44
	I think the intent is to have the width of the.	01:43:48
	4th style basically from Geneva Rd. all the way down to.	01:43:50
	No, I'm sorry. Let me back up.	01:43:55
	From Holdaway Rd.	01:43:57
	That would be the same way from Holdaway Rd. all the way down to Main Street. Is that the is that the thought, David? Yeah.	01:44:00
	Am I misspeaking here?	01:44:05
	Yeah, from from before Holy Rd. That fact, you know the home.	01:44:07
	From the chapels before Holy wrote and so from that that.	01:44:11
	That it would be the same width.	01:44:14
	From Geneva all the way to Main Street.	01:44:16
	We would like that but there's a section in front of the school that'd be wider but other than that.	01:44:19
	But especially from like right here.	01:44:24
	All the way down.	01:44:26
	Correct. Right. We'd like to have that, absolutely. At least two lanes of traffic and bike lanes and sidewalks and so forth.	01:44:28
	But, and assume this right here, he will.	01:44:34
	The developer.	01:44:37
	Cadence would have to take care of this portion here.	01:44:38
	That's their right.	01:44:40
	That's correct. That's there. That's they do the engineering, then we just approve it. They've already designed that they provide	01:44:42
	the engineering. So it's been approved and they're currently under construction as we speak.	01:44:47
	Is it? Is it gonna?	01:44:51
	Is are they building the road that is?	01:44:52
	The same width here, so the width of the road that they're building there is the.	01:44:56
	77 foot right away, the 77 foot the right away doesn't doesn't necessarily mean pavement.	01:45:02
	It's a very perfect.	01:45:08
	Pavement Rd. but the right away which is.	01:45:09
	Includes park strip sidewalks.	01:45:11
	And even backward sidewalk as well.	01:45:14
	Is somebody sorry?	01:45:17
	Is that the same?	01:45:19
	With the right of way, by the way.	01:45:21
	The right yeah, the rails are yeah.	01:45:22
	Don't have to cut you off. I want to know if the cross street cross section.	01:45:24
	Sidewalk to sidewalk.	01:45:29
	The whole thing is it the same width for the?	01:45:31
	As this in front of the.	01:45:33
	The church there, so the city owns the.	01:45:35
	About 6060.	01:45:37
	7768 feet over right away there.	01:45:40
	So you only from 67.	01:45:43
	Or 68 feet to 70 some odd feet. Is that that hurt?	01:45:45
	Yes, I said again. It's it's a.	01:45:50
	That's the right way to the city owns. I mean, city could.	01:45:52
	And then that's what because of the soap operas built up to the curb of the road.	01:45:57
	Which is not cynical.	01:46:01
	Is is not typical in terms of?	01:46:02
	How designed and built to today's standards?	01:46:05
	So again.	01:46:08
	Oftentimes you run into legacy standards.	01:46:09
	And then doing transition.	01:46:12
	The current standards.	01:46:15
	So there is typically transition points case in points.	01:46:16
	We did. We did change our development construction standards for curb designs.	01:46:19
	To align with the.	01:46:23
	How other states are seeing other cities?	01:46:24
	Or the state? What would like to do with?	01:46:27
	So we have like a.	01:46:29
	So in areas of the city you'll.	01:46:31
	We'll see the transition between.	01:46:33
	Curb heights. A slight transition curve heights.	01:46:35
	In terms of how the.	01:46:37
	In terms of how the curve is done.	01:46:39
	But when we shift from our old standard to a new standard.	01:46:41
	That's the transit. Those are the transition points.	01:46:44
	I don't think.	01:46:47
	Sorry, I don't think, Commissioner, hold away.	01:46:49
	Cares about this.	01:46:51
	Curb height so much he cares about how much of his property you're taking so if you're.	01:46:51
	You went from 66 feet to 75 feet and it's cutting in this property.	01:46:55
	He's concerned about that. We wanted the six.	01:46:59
	6758, Whatever.	01:47:03
	I live in front of the church.	01:47:05
	Yes, Sir, so.	01:47:06
	Through and I think that city design takes more than that.	01:47:08
	So, so if you review the state design, the state design is maintaining a 67 roughly 67 feet right away.	01:47:10
	In front of council members always house.	01:47:19
	Of the design is within the.	01:47:21
	That occurred right away, the cities right away, so the property line.	01:47:24
	So.	01:47:28
	Line of the that is owned by the city.	01:47:30
	Which is designated for roadways.	01:47:34
	The roadways.	01:47:36
	And the sidewalk. Excuse me, so the.	01:47:37
	The cryptocurb of the Rose.	01:47:40
	Park strip plus the trail.	01:47:41
	Is within.	01:47:43
	That line, so there's the only encroachment that would ever that would be done during the construction period.	01:47:44
	Where they were, they consider a construction easement, but.	01:47:49
	Would be to make the.	01:47:52
	Make the drainage work on both sides of the property to ensure.	01:47:56
	Water from the road doesn't go on to the neighboring property.	01:48:00
	That the water is actually coming off to the roadway where the stormwater should be.	01:48:03
	So typically.	01:48:07
	When you do railway construction.	01:48:08
	The only additional property. The additional property that is.	01:48:10
	Utilized is just to make those translation points work.	01:48:15
	To allow the to allow the drainage.	01:48:18
	But the the current design is being shown.	01:48:20
	For for council member hold away.	01:48:23
	Is all within the right, the right away of the city?	01:48:26
	We're looking at the engineering drawing here. Thank you.	01:48:29
	And we'll have.	01:48:31
	I'll be happy to show it to Councilman Holder. Yeah, and.	01:48:33
	And make sure they clarify that yes, Sir. And I'm I'm getting ready to send the e-mail with those attachments there to go through	01:48:36
	the through the council and council is going to be BCC down there. So there's not a.	01:48:40
	Issue of someone off.	01:48:45
	Mary, you're you're just on the 2.	01:48:47
	Thank you very much.	01:48:50
	Just the question I have seen.	01:48:52
	And maybe cash, you can speak to this. So on this smallness plan that I'm looking that you just sent me.	01:48:54
	Right here.	01:48:59
	Is the.	01:48:59
	Is the intent for this road.	01:49:01
	The same type of road to extend West of the.	01:49:03
	Roundabout.	01:49:06
	The same size of road to go West of the roundabout.	01:49:07
	When they come.	01:49:11
	So yeah, the.	01:49:15
	Yeah.	01:49:18
	Does it go?	01:49:28
	It's it just continues like this.	01:49:31
	This same thing, Yeah. So the. Yeah, there were.	01:49:34
	Text there.	01:49:36
	But it just goes right there. Yeah. The road section would continue, continue West of the roundabout.	01:49:38
	It does get slightly water. I believe that's mainly just to allow for partnerships and then of course running to a residential	01:49:44
	area.	01:49:47
	Then you get into the parking.	01:49:50
	Along streets, The main thing about.	01:49:52
	When we do roadway classifications, and again, this might just be.	01:49:55
	More of education for the public versus the council eyes. So forgive me Council, if you've heard it.	01:49:58
	Before but.	01:50:03
	Especially when we do these roads so.	01:50:04
	On the right.	01:50:06
	And with the classifications.	01:50:07
	Part of the classifications is.	01:50:09
	Part of the.	01:50:11
	Capacity of the volumes of the rows, but the other part of it too that we consider is for egress points.	01:50:13
	On the road, so I know my planner, my planning.	01:50:18
	Companions.	01:50:23
	They like to separate bike lanes with physically separate bike lanes.	01:50:25
	On the engineering public works side.	01:50:29
	It's obviously much more to maintain.	01:50:31
	But when it comes to emergency aggressors, and this is putting my military hat back on for.	01:50:34
	I used to do.	01:50:38
	Emergency Management and response.	01:50:39
	When it comes to emergency egresses.	01:50:42
	The less obstructions and roads AKA.	01:50:43
	Raised back, raised brave bike lanes.	01:50:45
	Allows for cars to exit out of the road.	01:50:49
	If the road is even, though the road might be striped.	01:50:52
	Two lanes with bike lanes, et cetera, et cetera.	01:50:54
	If you watch any hook in season 4 though.	01:50:58
	Everyone's taking all parts of the road.	01:51:01
	To do an egress if you if you look at that.	01:51:03
	You know, like most European countries on traffic during congested traffic are.	01:51:05
	You know 3-2 lane three line Rd. is like a 10 lane Rd.	01:51:10
	On that but.	01:51:14
	Those are the reasons why.	01:51:15
	Sometimes we as a city.	01:51:17
	We like to maintain.	01:51:19
	Eclair path.	01:51:21
	Of the egress for pavements, so there's no obstructions.	01:51:22
	And this this would provide for.	01:51:25
	Again, not having.	01:51:28
	Discussion with the.	01:51:29
	Sheriff's Office who maintains egress points.	01:51:31
	This will serve for not just the whole way feels the sleeper Ridge.	01:51:34
	As well as the developments up north.	01:51:38
	Or investing out their vineyard.	01:51:39
	On the on the circumstances that ever happens.	01:51:41
	We all hope doesn't.	01:51:46
	OK, awesome.	01:51:48
	Comments on this?	01:51:51
	I got a thumbs up.	01:51:54
	Comments from the.	01:51:59
	And they went out there OK, Sound good. Are we good with this?	01:52:00
	I know you can't remember, just trying to figure out a little bit.	01:52:05
	OK, so I think we.	01:52:09
	You will probably take this offline and we'll just take the.	01:52:12
	The planet you've got and I'll share them with Constant Holdaway and we'll talk about them and we'll and.	01:52:15
	Yeah, go from there.	01:52:20
	I don't know, I'll take the issues on.	01:52:25
	I'll need to go ahead and share the.	01:52:27
	The plans with Councilman Holdaway.	01:52:29
	And and make sure they align with what he's thinking.	01:52:32
	Sounds good.	01:52:35
	No, I like this. I I do like just.	01:52:36
	How this lines up and?	01:52:38
	Just keeping it.	01:52:40
	Just the same all the way down.	01:52:41
	Down the Main Street so.	01:52:44
	OK. All right.	01:52:46
	Let's see what is Do we have anything else on the agenda today?	01:52:48
	Is that it? OK.	01:52:52
	Anything. Anyone else have anything you want to?	01:52:54
	Talk about that.	01:52:57
	OK. Well, guys, thank you so much for coming. Appreciate it And.	01:52:59
	We got our marching orders. We'll get after it so.	01:53:04
	We are adjourned. Thank you. Hit the gavel.	01:53:06
	The gap doesn't count. There we go.	01:53:08

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	Where you're replaced.	00:01:01
	The new Delta.	00:01:04
	Right, right. Yeah, We didn't case him.	00:01:06
	Absolutely.	00:01:11
	So much more little.	00:01:13
	Or from the townhouse to a.	00:01:14
	Four Beijing house. Do you?	00:01:16
	Yeah, umm.	00:01:18
	Especially having a garage, it's nice to have a domain.	00:01:20
	Exactly.	00:01:23
	Alrighty, welcome everybody. Thank you so much for coming this morning.	00:12:55
	Delayed. OK, sounds good.	00:13:00
	All right, well, I can just talk loud, so.	00:13:03
	How about that?	00:13:05
	Welcome everybody, it is February 17th, 2026. I'd like to open up the.	00:13:06
	Our City Council work session meeting today.	00:13:11
	Whose term is it to say the prayer and Pledge of Allegiance?	00:13:18
	Have you done it?	00:13:22
	How about how about Karen? Karen, have you said the prayer and the Pledge of Allegiance yet?	00:13:26
	Would you be willing to do that for us, Sister Cornelius? You do get a flag pin.	00:13:29
	You you get a black pen.	00:13:34
	OK, patch eggheads from prayers.	00:13:37
	I don't have to say my name either, Joy.	00:13:43
	Just go right ahead.	00:13:45
	Our Father in heaven, we are grateful to meet this day and the capacity of.	00:13:47
	City Council meeting for the City of Vineyard.	00:13:53
	And we are grateful for.	00:13:55
	Those that are here for those that sacrifice of their time to.	00:13:57
	Be able to.	00:14:02
	Make our city work and we're grateful for.	00:14:03
	Yes, good men who are doing that at this time and.	00:14:06
	Grateful for the direction and the guidance that they are receiving.	00:14:10
	We're grateful for this.	00:14:14
	Amazing land we live in and for the freedoms that we enjoy.	00:14:16
	We pray that we will.	00:14:19
	Always look to the.	00:14:21
	And recognize thee for these.	00:14:23
	Great blessings that we receive.	00:14:25
	We pray that this will be a productive meeting and that Thy spirit can abound here.	00:14:27
	We start this in the name of Jesus Christ.	00:14:32
	I pledge allegiance to the flag.	00:14:38
	Of the United States of America.	00:14:41
	And to the Republic for which it stands.	00:14:43
	One Nation.	00:14:46
	Under God, indivisible.	00:14:47
	With liberty and justice for all.	00:14:49
	Awesome. Thank you, Karen.	00:14:52
	Come get your pen.	00:14:55
	OK. Well, thank you guys for everyone jumping on.	00:14:59
	And being here today, we're going to have a work session today. So we're going to be voting on anything, but just going through	00:15:03
	some stuff that we want to cover and talk about and.	00:15:06
	First off, any.	00:15:11
	Comments or anything from the public? Let's.	00:15:13
	Or can I just have this be open? If there's anything you guys want to talk about as we go along, please just.	00:15:16
	I know the Cornelius is you need to leave at 12:30. Do you guys?	00:15:22
	Just OK, sounds good.	00:15:25
	Sounds good.	00:15:26
	OK. All right.	00:15:28
	I, Karen Cornelius Phyllis.	00:15:31
	I just have been reading on social media.	00:15:34
	About the close calls that are taking place at 800.	00:15:38
	And a Main St. as people are.	00:15:41
	Using our walkable city.	00:15:45
	To walk and ride their bikes to the grocery store.	00:15:47
	And how that is?	00:15:50
	A very perilous.	00:15:52
	Adventure, oftentimes.	00:15:54
	And I know that that's not our Rd.	00:15:56
	But I'm wondering if there's.	00:15:59
	Anything that we can do in conjunction with.	00:16:01
	U dot to.	00:16:04
	Enhance the safety there and perhaps with our.	00:16:05
	With our.	00:16:09
	Public safety. Our sheriff's as well.	00:16:11
	I don't think those are warning issues. I think those are citable issues because we're talking life and death.	00:16:13
	So I just think that's a really important situation that we have found ourselves in. Thanks.	00:16:19
	Yeah. Thank you.	00:16:25
	Come on up, Daria.	00:16:34
	Daria Evans, also a.	00:16:37
	Phyllis denied resident. I just have an observation that I'd like to share with you.	00:16:39
	Yesterday while I was walking on 400 up to 400 N.	00:16:45
	AE Motorbike.	00:16:51
	When zooming down 400 N did not even look.	00:16:52
	At the intersection of 300 W.	00:16:57
	And just went right through to the park.	00:17:00
	I was really concerned because this was a young boy, he was out of school.	00:17:03
	And I think we need to tighten up the E bike.	00:17:06
	Regulations far as.	00:17:11
	Maybe even being 16 years old with a.	00:17:13
	A motorcycle and driver's license.	00:17:16
	Thank you. Awesome. Thank you. No, we're going to be chatting about that today. That's been I've been.	00:17:19
	It's probably one of the boys in my football team that was doing it, so 8th graders, they're crazy.	00:17:24
	Pension. Yeah, pension.	00:17:29
	OK. Did you want you have anything to say? Yeah. Come up, Sir.	00:17:32
	I just want to My name is David Pierce from Cascade neighborhood. I just want to echo.	00:17:37
	Of the concern about.	00:17:42
	Crossing 800 N.	00:17:44
	I'm personally very glad to see our.	00:17:48
	Walkable city that people are actually walking.	00:17:51
	And going to the store.	00:17:54
	And hiking our trails.	00:17:56
	But that's an issue.	00:17:58
	And I think we need to look into it a little.	00:18:00
	Appreciate that. I've been following that online as well and I think that.	00:18:03
	Yeah, we need to look into that for sure.	00:18:07
	OK. Anything else?	00:18:10
	Should jump into.	00:18:12
	The let's start at 3.1 the RDA.	00:18:13
	Administration and audit.	00:18:16
	David, David, would you like to read out on that conversation?	00:18:18
	I would love to.	00:18:22
	So just a little background.	00:18:23
	A little history of how we got here. I'll be.	00:18:27
	We we were appointed, a committee was appointed to look into the RDA.	00:18:30
	One of our first meetings.	00:18:35
	Assist the mayor.	00:18:36
	And the Councilman?	00:18:37
	Myself.	00:18:39
	And we we met.	00:18:40
	And we invited.	00:18:42
	The gentleman who conducted the audit.	00:18:44
	Chris Harding in that and.	00:18:47
	Explain to us, you know, his results and so forth and so.	00:18:49
	We heard that that report and.	00:18:53
	And it was determined.	00:18:56
	Or the committee that we probably the way to go forward would be to.	00:18:57
	To do a more thorough audit. To continue the audit process.	00:19:00
	And look at myself looking at a fraction of a.	00:19:03
	Of the materials to look at all of it for a.	00:19:06
	2 or 2 1/2 years span.	00:19:09
	And so that's.	00:19:11
	We wanted to do and so we and we asked.	00:19:13
	Mr. Harding to.	00:19:16
	To come back with an audit.	00:19:18
	Proposal.	00:19:20
	And he has.	00:19:21
	And anyway, we presented that to the Council and the Council.	00:19:23
	In discussion determined that we needed to.	00:19:27
	Follow our regular procurement policy.	00:19:30
	And actually put.	00:19:33
	Put us down.	00:19:35
	And so we're stuck at that point because we can't seem to be able to find a way to get an RFP.	00:19:36
	Published.	00:19:42
	We don't. Our city staff, of course, has been.	00:19:43
	You know that people have left and so we haven't. We don't.	00:19:46
	Seem to have the knowledge how to do that.	00:19:50
	Here so we need to.	00:19:52
	Need to reconstruct that.	00:19:53
	Rapidly so we can we can move forward with that.	00:19:55
	So that that's.	00:19:57
	You know, that's where we are with that. We've also had.	00:19:58
	We also had a.	00:20:01
	Of a proposed resolution to move forward, but.	00:20:03
	But once again, that was determined that we needed to.	00:20:07
	Do a few things that.	00:20:09
	You've got us more data first before we could do that.	00:20:11
	And Councilman Mayer said he would lead a.	00:20:13
	Study to collect data with the.	00:20:18
	Exactly how much of the?	00:20:21
	City workers time is spent doing RDA things.	00:20:23
	With the with the idea that we would see if we could support.	00:20:26
	Or if we need it.	00:20:29
	A full time staff member to do that besides just.	00:20:31
	Our part time administrator.	00:20:35
	And so that's that's in a process.	00:20:37
	So that brings us back to that's where we are today. And so.	00:20:39
	My question.	00:20:43
	For the counselors, how can we?	00:20:44
	Move this forward. How can we get?	00:20:46
	This request for.	00:20:49
	Proposal.	00:20:50
	Put out there and.	00:20:51
	And then receiver proposals and then we can choose them we already have.	00:20:53
	One for Mr. Harding.	00:20:57
	Yeah, and he's been.	00:20:58
	And I've I've talked with him and he understands our situation he's and that's that proposal will be.	00:20:59
	Good for several months, so we.	00:21:04
	So we've seen it before as we can.	00:21:06
	I think a great way to do it. As I've been thinking, I've been thinking about this over the weekend and I'm even getting the scene	00:21:08
	that you jumped in here.	00:21:11
	How do we?	00:21:14
	Can we?	00:21:15
	My thought was.	00:21:16
	What do we have the copy of the RFP that we sent out for the original?	00:21:18
	RDA Audit.	00:21:23
	Yes, Sir. So yeah, it was a request for qualifications.	00:21:25
	That's OK. Request for qualifications. OK. And did that go, how did, how was that administered? Was that through?	00:21:28
	Your department or was that through?	00:21:35
	That's your fiance, so fire AFIS is the procurement office.	00:21:37
	So we provide some administrative.	00:21:42
	OK. But finance developed the.	00:21:45
	RFQ as well and all the drivers around us, OK.	00:21:49
	Do you by chance have a were you, do you have a copy of that? Would you guys sending that to me? Yes, Sir.	00:21:52
	So if we get that forwarded to me, I can probably tweet a little bit and then we can just resubmit and get it sent Outback out	00:21:58
	there. And we have there's a couple different ways Stephanie has a way to get it out there. There's there's super let me know how	00:22:02
	I help on the 2. So and then just just want to kind of.	00:22:07
	Make a reminder that.	00:22:12
	Through that through that prior process for.	00:22:13
	Professional services. There are certain state requirements.	00:22:16
	Codes to follow on that, so I'm sure that the.	00:22:21
	Either the procurement officer AKA finance director will be able to provide that information or the state attorney should be able	00:22:24
	to provide that information. But.	00:22:27
	Those are state codes that so.	00:22:31
	The city must must survive to especially welcome to professional services.	00:22:32
	Yeah. And I said I believe your attorney would be able to provide all that information.	00:22:38
	And of course, ensure that there was a notice of intent is.	00:22:42
	Is toasted a part to any kind of award?	00:22:45
	Sounds good.	00:22:49
	Let's do that. So let's let's get that from the scene. We'll tweak it and we'll get it up to Jesse and then make sure that we're	00:22:50
	falling the state.	00:22:52
	German stuff and we'll get it sent out there.	00:22:55
	Yeah, OK. And I'll, I'll just keep checking with it till we get it going. OK, sounds great. Thank you. We'll get that from this	00:22:57
	e-mail.	00:23:00
	Get that going. All right, so that's that's that.	00:23:03
	Anything else you'd like to talk about that?	00:23:05
	So we'll get that going and.	00:23:10
	Oh, Kim. Come on up, Kim.	00:23:12
	Kim Cornelius Villas I just have a.	00:23:15
	A layman's question we employed Mr. Harding to do.	00:23:19
	The audit.	00:23:23
	Encompassing the city finances plus the RDA.	00:23:24
	When we met with him again, we asked him maybe to expand that into.	00:23:27
	A deeper dive into the idea. Can't that just be an expansive scope of work?	00:23:31
	That's a great question. I think that.	00:23:35
	What? Umm.	00:23:38
	I mean, that would be a good question for Council. How do you guys feel about that?	00:23:39
	I think it's more a question for legal and the reason is.	00:23:42
	If you have to get through the RF.	00:23:46
	Pee process.	00:23:47
	Yeah, for a specific job.	00:23:49
	And expanding that job.	00:23:52
	Is subsequently maybe viewed.	00:23:54
	As a different job, yeah, because it was an RF. It was a.	00:23:56
	Request for qualifications, right? That's what it was.	00:23:59
	Yes, Sir. So request for qualifications and to kind of echo what the Council, yeah, Councilmember was talking about.	00:24:02
	Dealing with the the that's being proposed by Mr. Cornelius would actually be illegal and.	00:24:10
	I believe the first audit finding that that auditor.	00:24:16
	Would be. A finding would be.	00:24:19
	That expanded task for yourself.	00:24:21
	Because it would be outside, outside the progress of.	00:24:25
	Scope creep is what's commonly referred to.	00:24:27
	In terms of contractors?	00:24:31
	So typically there's a 20% rule from to utilize.	00:24:32
	So the scope increases by more than 20%.	00:24:36
	That trigger is a. That trigger is.	00:24:39
	A question as to why the scope is changing more than 20% and why wasn't it included originally and?	00:24:42
	I just feel like the scope decreases by more than 20% as well.	00:24:50
	On that, again, I'm not the legal expert. I believe Mr. Riddle would be the legal experts, so.	00:24:53
	We'll change, we'll get it kind of changed to this, and then we'll send it to Jesse and multiply this to send the original 1 and	00:24:58
	then the new one.	00:25:01
	And then just.	00:25:05
	Quick question. So it was a request for qualifications that we did the first time.	00:25:06
	And so and we received.	00:25:10
	Feedback from that, it's was that eight months old?	00:25:11
	And so is it just qualifications or do we? Do we actually?	00:25:15
	Do a request for proposal afterwards once we had the.	00:25:18
	People who are qualified.	00:25:22
	So when you do an RFQ, Sir, that's again, I'm not the legal expert, I'm not the German officer. So I can't, I'm not going to state	00:25:27
	the.	00:25:30
	Exactly what the procurement officer would tell you, but when you do an RFQ.	00:25:33
	Then you have to go into our negotiations in terms of pricing.	00:25:38
	When you do professional services per the state.	00:25:41
	For the state of Utah's state and.	00:25:43
	Which reflects very much 99% point 9.	00:25:47
	I'm sure of all other states.	00:25:49
	Professional services cannot be based on those.	00:25:52
	Price along the house they should it needs to be based on qualifications. I mean I believe this would be.	00:25:54
	This was fun because criteria that.	00:25:59
	You're not hiring the.	00:26:02
	Cheapest person in your iron, but the most qualified person.	00:26:03
	OK, so so the former.	00:26:06
	Request for qualifications is outdated.	00:26:08
	Is that, is that a hearing I want to say out there, but it's I'm sorry, it's the scope of what was being asked for.	00:26:11
	So the scope has changed. We have to do it again.	00:26:17
	All right. Does that make sense? Sorry. RFQ was in place of the RFP. I guess that's right. So again, RFP, I mean?	00:26:20
	A lot of people utilize those.	00:26:28
	Interchangeably, just because of the ease of saying it, but the technical term is.	00:26:31
	Request for qualifications to ensure that this is.	00:26:35
	We're looking at qualifications first, then pricing.	00:26:38
	So for you know if someone provides you.	00:26:40
	Best qualifications whether pricing is 3 or 4 or five times higher.	00:26:43
	Then what's you're able to pay or what's industry standards, and obviously that would be the qualifier.	00:26:47
	On that, but I didn't predict codes. Again, I'm not the.	00:26:52
	Particularly officer, a legal expert by press state.	00:26:56
	You can't do. You can't do. I appreciate that. Thank you.	00:26:59
	Thank you.	00:27:03
	Hello, can you hear me?	00:27:05
	Hi, Jake.	00:27:07
	This happened.	00:27:09
	This happens quite a bit in the picture world, where.	00:27:11
	You build a house.	00:27:15
	And it's the specifications of the house and you're halfway through the house.	00:27:17
	And the builder comes back and says I want twice the size of the house.	00:27:21
	Now nobody changes the builder halfway through the house.	00:27:26
	To have another builder change the other half of the house.	00:27:29
	So legally all we have to do is extend it.	00:27:32
	It's not that big of a problem. We don't have to go and switch persons, it's the council's decision if they want to go through and	00:27:36
	do it.	00:27:40
	And in my.	00:27:44
	Years of experience. I don't think anybody's ever switched halfway through an audit.	00:27:46
	Where they said hey, there needs to be more because you're talking about hours of knowledge.	00:27:52
	Just like building a house to restart to switch.	00:27:58
	You know, midscreen, so.	00:28:02
	You know, we, I think we verified that the previous council did things correctly and I'm pretty sure they did and putting this	00:28:05
	out.	00:28:08
	In selecting.	00:28:12
	The person that we're using so.	00:28:14
	To change midstream would be very.	00:28:16
	Pretty odd.	00:28:18
	But I'm sure we need to adjust the contract that we're doing.	00:28:19
	And put it for.	00:28:23
	And vote the additional work that they're doing.	00:28:24
	OK. I would just make sure we send anything back through Mr. Riddle.	00:28:28
	I agree. Yeah, actually start there.	00:28:32
	Yeah, just I will.	00:28:34
	And see I will.	00:28:36
	Yeah, before I will again.	00:28:39
	And to piggyback on that, I mean.	00:28:40
	With Councilmember hold away stating with the sole source.	00:28:42
	Procurement process. Again, there's a different process for solar sourcing.	00:28:46
	On that if it meets the criteria.	00:28:49
	For sole sourcing, I'm sure that.	00:28:51
	Mr. Riddle and the pyramid officer can help you go through that process.	00:28:53
	On that and I appreciate the years of experience. I used to teach contract well.	00:28:57
	For the Air Force Institute of Technology.	00:29:01
	For many years, many years ago.	00:29:03
	So yeah, there is a, there are, there are certain requirements and certain thresholds when it comes to government contracts versus	00:29:06
	private contracts.	00:29:10
	That you would have to. You have to make sure you maintain.	00:29:15
	Hello there you want to make sure that you're following the process is outlined.	00:29:17
	For you know, either your local procurement processes, your estate.	00:29:21
	As well as federal depending on the thresholds.	00:29:24
	But yeah, you're hitting on.	00:29:27
	But uh.	00:29:28
	Excuse me, but that a 20% again. This is a rule found 20%.	00:29:30
	Attained to scope of work whether it's a decrease or increase or a decrease of scope work.	00:29:34
	Often triggers and all the other all the finding.	00:29:39
	In itself, but regardless, regardless whether.	00:29:42
	The purpose they're.	00:29:45
	The bottom line is justification as to what would happen and what happens.	00:29:47
	Thank you again for the clarification. We'll we'll check with the legal and and.	00:29:50
	We want to do it the right way.	00:29:54
	And we promise we will.	00:29:55
	So we'll proceed that way.	00:29:57
	Thank you.	00:29:59
	Awesome.	00:30:01
	OK. David, anything else on that the RDA?	00:30:02
	Admin and audit.	00:30:06
	Discussion here.	00:30:07
	Yeah, I do one more thing if it's all right.	00:30:09
	We've talked about it, a possible change of personnel.	00:30:11
	In terms of how they.	00:30:14
	These minutes right now we have a.	00:30:15
	A part-time administrator is Josh Daniels.	00:30:17
	And we talked about possibly putting a board together.	00:30:20
	Of of other.	00:30:25
	Members there would be a.	00:30:26
	Can assist for the administrator in the.	00:30:27
	And looking over.	00:30:30
	You know, administering the RDA process.	00:30:31
	And do we want to proceed with that? I don't know that we need to, that's not part of the the audit. That's just a separate	00:30:34
	action, correct?	00:30:38
	And so if we want to do that.	00:30:41
	We would want to decide what.	00:30:43
	What form that should take and then bring it to the back to the full council in a in a business life, the business items you hold	00:30:46
	on it.	00:30:49
	I think it's subsequent to something that we already discussed.	00:30:53
	Earlier you mentioned.	00:30:56
	The review and trying to figure out how much personnel hours the city staff spends on the RDA and that's largely a function that	00:30:57
	determines.	00:31:01
	This next step of the conversation.	00:31:04
	In my opinion.	00:31:06
	You're right. And I, I see that as as the end goal. I'm looking at this as a stopgap measure. We have, we have people who	00:31:07
	volunteered.	00:31:10
	To, to, to, to do that on a voluntary basis, at least temporarily.	00:31:14
	Until we can get more data, decide how to proceed.	00:31:18
	And so I guess my question is, do we want to?	00:31:21
	More formalized that volunteer process a little bit.	00:31:23
	And actually.	00:31:26
	That it's constructed board.	00:31:28
	Of citizen volunteers.	00:31:30
	That can assist us in.	00:31:32
	Organizing things.	00:31:33
	As they collect those data points.	00:31:35
	I think that's something we could discuss on this under 3.2. So we kind of go through the Commission's right here.	00:31:37
	OK, I think.	00:31:42
	That would be appropriate to talk about it then.	00:31:43
	Good so but.	00:31:46
	Yeah.	00:31:49
	Thank you.	00:31:51
	Anything else?	00:31:52
	On the RDA.	00:31:53
	That's all I have.	00:31:55
	OK, go ahead, Jake. I would just.	00:31:56
	I would I would second it. What?	00:31:59
	Councilman Larae is is. I don't want to have an audit without.	00:32:01
	The key RVA staff that will be involved, and I think it would.	00:32:06
	I mean, let's find out what budget we have.	00:32:11
	For putting those and then.	00:32:14
	For putting that staff in place and then when we find when we find out what that budget is, let's.	00:32:18
	Those positions and top.	00:32:25
	In last meeting, David Pierce was.	00:32:27
	Pretty adamant about how to move publicly. Both positions listed and we've got great.	00:32:30
	Volunteers and I.	00:32:35
	Strongly recommended, but let's make sure we follow the process and.	00:32:36
	Put it out.	00:32:41
	For you know.	00:32:42
	Then find out or not bit but.	00:32:44
	The hiring the right individuals.	00:32:46
	To help support the RDA.	00:32:48
	And maybe we'll find some really great candidates, but I don't want to do the audit without and and learn that institutional	00:32:51
	knowledge.	00:32:54
	Without somebody there with.	00:32:59
	Chris to do that, so I would.	00:33:01
	Expedite how much money we have available to do that.	00:33:03
	OK, get that going.	00:33:06
	OK, sounds good.	00:33:11
	Anything else on that?	00:33:14
	OK, All right, let's move.	00:33:18
	Item 3.2. Commission's discussion.	00:33:20
	Let's see here, Jake, did you want to lay down on this?	00:33:25
	On this, did you get a?	00:33:28
	Who wants to lead the Commission's discussion?	00:33:32
	Yeah, I.	00:33:34
	I I wanted to lead out on this. I don't.	00:33:37
	You know, I look back and I know Jacob Wood spent a lot of time looking back at.	00:33:40
	Our attendance at the Planning Commission and also the Active Transportation Commission.	00:33:45
	I noticed that it's been sparse.	00:33:51
	And it's actually hard to have that type of redundancy and I don't think especially now with how Bill Cow Vineyard is.	00:33:53
	How the redundancy of having the active Transportation and Planning Commission?	00:34:01
	And I I'd like to have a discussion about.	00:34:06
	Bringing those back together.	00:34:10
	I know 1 is very particular about.	00:34:13
	How important it is that bike planning and pathways be planned.	00:34:15
	And I agree with that. I don't think I want to diminish that.	00:34:20
	But with we have planning commissioners.	00:34:24
	Had even just struggling to attend basic meetings.	00:34:27
	I also think the staffing.	00:34:31
	For the city to put on bowl.	00:34:33
	Is too cumbersome and isn't cost efficient.	00:34:35
	I also think it's problematic for a city our size to do both.	00:34:39
	But you know, as a citizen, which one do you attend? Do you apply planning? Do you do active transportation? Do you go?	00:34:44
	I just maybe you have.	00:34:50
	Standing agenda item for bike specific or active transportation issues that are there but.	00:34:52
	I just wanted to talk to council about combining the two of them.	00:34:58
	Can I ask?	00:35:01
	Cash here, in the back, over there.	00:35:03
	In our work session last week you had mentioned there was some state code around.	00:35:06
	Some of these commissions and the role that they play in the approval process.	00:35:11
	Is it specified that there has to be?	00:35:15
	The separate commissions, can they be one Commission? No. Yeah. Only the Planning Commission is dictated by state law.	00:35:17
	And DRC but the the active Transportation Commission.	00:35:24
	The reason that was that was implemented, it was originally Bicycle Advisory Commission and last year we extended the scope of it	00:35:27
	to active transportation.	00:35:30
	To essentially roll out all of the the plans from the active transportation plan that was approved in 2022.	00:35:34
	And one of the main reasons that I shouldn't say the main but.	00:35:40
	One of the good reasons we do keep that Commission around is that it is only once a month and it's roughly a 30 minute to one hour	00:35:44
	meeting.	00:35:48
	So it, it isn't a lot of staff then that that we are spending on that, that Commission, but it does qualify us for.	00:35:51
	To become a bicycle friendly city.	00:35:57
	Which if that is something the city continues to value, we do have to have a dedicated.	00:35:59
	Body of of residents that that reviews.	00:36:04
	Active transportation.	00:36:07
	Type items and that's what this has been so far for us. What's the benefit of?	00:36:09
	Having that I guess credential as a city, yeah, I mean bragging rights, but also it is good for grant applications so we are able	00:36:13
	to get.	00:36:17
	Some grants.	00:36:21
	To fund the bicycle infrastructure, trail maintenance and stuff like that.	00:36:22
	By having that classification, a lot of cities around us, I think Provo actually just got upgraded. I want to say there are Gold	00:36:25
	City now.	00:36:29
	An ORM I believe is a bronze city. Right now we're a bronze as well.	00:36:32
	Has that helped us get any grants to date?	00:36:36
	I'm not aware.	00:36:39
	Any right now?	00:36:40
	And you said this was just expanded in the last year, right? Yeah, it was last year that that we expanded it to that	00:36:44
	transportation in the grant writing cycle now.	00:36:48
	Yeah. And and we could, we could get a list of all the meetings that we had last year to kind of show.	00:36:52
	How, how frequently we are having these meetings and, and the attendance that we're having at them.	00:36:58
	If that would be helpful.	00:37:03
	OK.	00:37:04
	Curious.	00:37:07
	Parker, what are your thoughts about?	00:37:08
	Put them together.	00:37:10
	I'm generally not opposed to merging them, especially.	00:37:11
	We've had issues with participation and attendance and those things. I mean, the less perspective that you have in each of those	00:37:15
	meetings.	00:37:19
	The less room for.	00:37:22
	Progression and development you actually have.	00:37:24
	So it's beneficial.	00:37:26
	To have better attendance.	00:37:28
	So if you can merge the and. I don't know what that looks like, right? Or what?	00:37:30
	Because I know state code.	00:37:34
	Kind of dictate some of the Planning Commission.	00:37:36
	But in my mind, having 12 people that get together and share their experiences and their thoughts and the way that they perceive a	00:37:39
	problem is.	00:37:42
	Generally a better practice than having.	00:37:46
	Three people get together and share, right? Yeah.	00:37:48
	You just get more knowledge shared.	00:37:52
	I will add that we do have some currently have some overlap. I believe there are two members of the bicycle or of the Active	00:37:56
	Transportation Commission that serve on the Planning Commission. OK.	00:38:00
	Would it be one question, I have cash if we just say, OK, listen, if you're on Planning Commission, congratulations, you're now on	00:38:06
	the active transportation.	00:38:10
	And merge them that way.	00:38:14
	Generally the the people on Active Transportation Commission, they like that. It isn't as big of a commitment as Planning	00:38:16
	Commission. Planning Commission is is twice a month and they're generally longer meetings, Yeah.	00:38:21
	Where we're active transportation, a lot of the people that are on that are.	00:38:26
	That that's, you know, all they care about. They don't necessarily care about like reviewing a site plan for a win visa.	00:38:29
	So, umm.	00:38:34
	That's kind of what they.	00:38:35
	Want to focus on it?	00:38:36
	And that's why we kept them separate. And also I could reach out to the the group that.	00:38:38
	Does the the bicycle friendly community?	00:38:43
	Classification to see if.	00:38:46
	The Planning Commission can operate as the.	00:38:47
	Active Transportation Commission in their eyes.	00:38:50
	So we can keep that designation.	00:38:52
	I've tried in the past to get hold of them and haven't.	00:38:54
	Had much luck but I could try again.	00:38:57
	So I'm wondering if we could arrange it a little bit like we do with, with the RDA, you know?	00:39:00
	City Council said.	00:39:04
	Yeah, as the RDA board and they had a separate meeting for that.	00:39:06
	For those issues.	00:39:09
	I'm wondering if the Planning Commission could then just.	00:39:10
	You know when they finish their business or before they before they start their business, just convene as.	00:39:13
	And active transportation.	00:39:18
	And then and then when they're done with that.	00:39:19
	Then reconvene as.	00:39:21
	A Planning Commission, you know, So I keep them separate, but.	00:39:23
	The same people, because right now, if we only have two or three people coming.	00:39:25
	Well, three people, could they have three people to have a meeting? So.	00:39:28
	When I was struggling to get three people on the Planning Commission meetings.	00:39:32
	So it seems to me if we can't somehow get more participation.	00:39:35
	It might work.	00:39:39
	I'm not opposed to that, I.	00:39:40
	But once again, I don't think the people, everybody that's on the act of transportation.	00:39:43
	Active Transportation Commission.	00:39:46
	Would want to be a part of the Planning Commission itself.	00:39:48
	And vice versa. Mm-hmm.	00:39:51
	You know that there are those few people that do overlap that that kind of have an interest in both.	00:39:53
	But once again, we really are we have our active Transportation Commission meetings.	00:39:58
	On.	00:40:02
	I think it's like the first Tuesday of the month or second Tuesday of the month at 5:30 and they usually go at most an hour.	00:40:03
	And so it, it, it isn't a lot of staff time for us to, to handle that meeting.	00:40:09
	And if if the goal here is to help.	00:40:13
	Increase participation and attendance. The Planning Commission.	00:40:16
	I don't think.	00:40:19
	Combining that with Active Transportation Commission would accomplish that.	00:40:20
	It's not working with increasing the attendance of Planning Commission.	00:40:26
	So I probably can add a little bit to the discussion also.	00:40:33
	To get this started.	00:40:36
	We're currently looking at some software to be able to help track commissions.	00:40:39
	And attendance.	00:40:44
	And years of service.	00:40:46
	On each of the.	00:40:48
	Commissions.	00:40:49
	And so we should.	00:40:50
	Very shortly be able to have a solution that will make it.	00:40:51
	Really effortless for staff to be able to manage it.	00:40:55
	OK, awesome.	00:40:58
	Jake, what are your thoughts?	00:41:04
	What do you think? Our next steps? What do you see I love?	00:41:06
	Yeah, I love the idea of.	00:41:09
	Like David Marais, where it's like one in the Fame I.	00:41:12
	Going back and.	00:41:16
	Looking at how?	00:41:17
	Locally attended the Planning Commission has been.	00:41:19
	Where they have even struggled to have a quorum.	00:41:22
	I think that there was a mandate this past election to.	00:41:26
	You know, look, revise and look at the master plan and look at parking requirements and a lot of different things. And so I think.	00:41:31
	That it would be a who list to look at.	00:41:38
	You know the appointments that are currently there also.	00:41:41
	I believe Mayor your.	00:41:45
	Your value should be espoused in the planning department, I think. Mine should. I think. Every I think.	00:41:48
	Each of us on the Council should have.	00:41:54
	Representation on there I know.	00:41:57
	I have what what I value.	00:41:59
	I feel is not represented on the Planning Commission currently.	00:42:02
	So I think I don't. I love biking. I'm pro biking. I'm pro biking.	00:42:06
	Thank you.	00:42:12
	Yeah, there's the City Council meeting, though.	00:42:14
	Jesse, you're not muted.	00:42:18
	Hey, Jesse, you're not muted.	00:42:20
	I'm sorry.	00:42:22
	That's OK. The.	00:42:24
	Look at me putting a pathway through what part of way. I mean, I'm the biggest bike, so I don't think we're going to diminish or	00:42:26
	be anti.	00:42:29
	Halfway or or bike. I just think that.	00:42:32
	There's a small city like us, and how much is already built out?	00:42:36
	Strategically and and cost savings I think.	00:42:41
	I love the idea of.	00:42:44
	You I don't know if you need to gavel in or gavel out.	00:42:45
	Because I don't there is no official.	00:42:49
	Votes like it in fake code, Jesse.	00:42:52
	And active transportation holds no authority whatsoever, right? It's a nice thing to have. It's, it's great to get with them.	00:42:56
	And advice that they don't actually unless we empower them.	00:43:03
	State code doesn't require it, right?	00:43:07
	He got off Jake.	00:43:12
	Anyway, so I think those things need to be looked at.	00:43:14
	As we look at the Planning Commission.	00:43:19
	I will say this. Hey Jacob would.	00:43:25
	Yeah, go ahead, Jacob.	00:43:28
	Yeah, I just think that, you know, if there's only 30 minutes.	00:43:30
	A month I see no reason why I can't do not think of any fusion.	00:43:34
	OK, let's do this. Let's say next step would be.	00:43:41
	Jake Holdaway, would you mind?	00:43:44
	Leave now on this and and or.	00:43:47
	Oh, sorry guys, I'm sorry.	00:43:49
	Jake all the way. Would you mind leaving out of this and just getting with?	00:43:51
	Jesse just making sure they're not missing anything.	00:43:54
	In terms of state code and whatnot, and then come back with the.	00:43:56
	Recommendation where I sit on it?	00:44:00
	The state of Utah is I'm up at the Capitol, back and forth. They are making it.	00:44:03
	They are making a.	00:44:07
	Cognizant and conscious effort to come back on the number of commissions there are statewide because they're seeing also a lot of	00:44:08
	the same things we're struggling with as well in terms of attendance and so forth and combining them.	00:44:14
	I know that I was up there and a couple of senators wanted to start a new Commission and it basically just got shot down just	00:44:20
	because.	00:44:23
	There's just too many of them. They're actually trying to.	00:44:26
	To streamline the process.	00:44:29
	So I think that.	00:44:32
	I think that we're seeing that a little bit here.	00:44:33
	So I think that if we can just look into that and just see if it's feasible.	00:44:35
	And not to diminish.	00:44:40
	The active transportation committee or you know, we're not saying we're anti bike or anything like that. I mean, we're probably.	00:44:42
	As pros as anybody but.	00:44:48
	Just trying to.	00:44:50
	To enable it.	00:44:51
	Just participation and make sure that we're.	00:44:53
	Being good stewards of time, so.	00:44:56
	You get taken out of time.	00:45:01
	Could we just pencil this in for two weeks from now and I'll get.	00:45:03
	I will work with Jesse scheduling noise in the hospital for.	00:45:08
	When this gets done, and I will.	00:45:11
	Tentatively as soon as.	00:45:15
	He get back from.	00:45:17
	His hospital issues.	00:45:20
	We will put this on the agenda for.	00:45:22
	Business need to go to a vote to make this change I think maybe.	00:45:25
	I think it's a good question for Jesse if we do need the.	00:45:29
	I would assert zoom yeah is in our musical code and if you were to remove it, you probably have to change that. That was my and I	00:45:32
	would also recommend that you I.	00:45:37
	I by number means am the expert on active transportation.	00:45:42
	Anthony Fletcher, other planner is the one whoever she's at and I highly recommend talking with him.	00:45:45
	Further on this to see what his thoughts are on combining the two. Yeah.	00:45:50
	Awesome, Jake, we get with Anthony as well.	00:45:54
	Yeah. So I'll definitely do that. And then also.	00:45:57
	You know, we're kind of in a strange situation where.	00:46:01
	You know the council walking out the door.	00:46:05
	Put in a lot of Planning Commission members.	00:46:08
	And I, I don't think the the planning, I want to thank the Planning Commission members for those who serve.	00:46:10
	That are serving this.	00:46:17
	That you know you deserve to be respected and all the time and effort that have been put into this.	00:46:20
	At the same, at the same time there's.	00:46:24
	Elections, you know, and directions of where the city are going.	00:46:26
	And so.	00:46:30
	I think I'll meet with council members and get their ideas for the Planning Commission.	00:46:32
	You know, I know you guys ran for office and want to be represented.	00:46:38
	I know the citizens voted for you to be represented, to have that voice.	00:46:42
	I know in the past that you know, the mayor, the previous mayor.	00:46:47
	You know, just.	00:46:50
	Everyone was selected by.	00:46:51
	Her and mayor.	00:46:54
	From what I've been hearing from you is you want to make sure that this is a.	00:46:57
	The Planning Commission is representing all voices on the Council.	00:47:01
	And kind of spreading that out.	00:47:05
	And do you want to talk about that?	00:47:08
	I think that kind of where my head's at, it's just allowing everyone on council to interview and, and I mean.	00:47:10
	I'm getting approached. We're all getting approach.	00:47:16
	By different members of the community that are interested in serving on the.	00:47:17
	The Planning Commission or these different commissions and just.	00:47:21
	Make it more collaborative rather than just.	00:47:24
	Just coming from me.	00:47:27
	That's that's kind of that's that's where my head's out with the whole.	00:47:29
	The whole thing so.	00:47:33
	I don't know if it's sorry.	00:47:35
	I don't know if it's like.	00:47:38
	I have to go into another meeting and step out. Is there anything else you need me to cover for today? No, I think that's fine. I	00:47:40
	think that that's.	00:47:43
	So, any other questions for Jake? All right, I'll listen in quietly while I have my next meeting. Awesome.	00:47:49
	Thanks.	00:47:53
	Thank you.	00:47:55
	No, what Jake was saying, I think that mine.	00:47:56
	Tent is historically it's been, you know, probably even go back to Mayor Farnsworth that.	00:47:58
	That the commissions have been disappointed by the mayor, but I just.	00:48:03
	My intent is dead.	00:48:06
	Either have you guys?	00:48:09
	Involved heavily involved in the process or submit names and.	00:48:11
	Just to make sure everyone feels comfortable with it.	00:48:14
	So.	00:48:16
	OK. Anything else on the Commission's? I think we're good to go on that one.	00:48:18
	Let's step down to 3.3 Skate Park discussion.	00:48:23
	Um, let's see here. What do we need to talk about the skate park so.	00:48:29
	Umm.	00:48:32
	Park in the wheel.	00:48:36
	Are we? Do you want to talk about that one?	00:48:38
	I'm trying to think what is.	00:48:41
	Sure, Uh.	00:48:42
	Go team, go team.	00:48:43
	OK, we I guess here's my my perspective and and what I've experienced so far with it.	00:48:45
	Generally speaking.	00:48:52
	All of the Council seemed to be pretty.	00:48:53
	In support of this.	00:48:55
	The pushback that I've received, or I think that all of us have.	00:48:58
	Probably received at this point from community members.	00:49:01
	Has largely not been about the skate park or the pump track. It's been about the proposed mountain bike track, however.	00:49:04
	To my understanding.	00:49:10
	The land that that was originally.	00:49:11
	Posed on is a spring.	00:49:13
	And it can't actually be developed without big survey from like.	00:49:15
	The Army Corps of Engineers coming out and saying you can do anything on the land or not.	00:49:18
	So to my understanding, and for the public's benefit.	00:49:23
	That, uh.	00:49:26
	Aspect of the plan has largely been shelved.	00:49:26
	I've probably gotten 15 to 20 emails from different residents in the community around there.	00:49:30
	And almost so they're they're split probably 5050 and the positive and the negative.	00:49:37
	But all of the negative has been about the mountain bike.	00:49:43
	Yeah, aspect, which is not something that is in any pursuit of becoming a reality anytime soon.	00:49:46
	So I feel very good about.	00:49:52
	The current state of.	00:49:54
	Moving forward with the skate park, moving forward with the pump track.	00:49:57
	The way we talked about it in the work session, you know, two weeks ago.	00:50:00
	Yep, same here.	00:50:04
	I think that's right.	00:50:05
	And I think we probably ought to.	00:50:07
	By the way, let people know that that mountain bike.	00:50:09
	Dirt track is probably going to have to be relocated. Well and I see.	00:50:12
	You know Brians on the on the call right now. Brians done an excellent job. Just wanted to give him credit where he responds to a	00:50:16
	lot of the residents with the updated information.	00:50:21
	And has left me CC D on some of those emails.	00:50:26
	So thank you, Brian, for for doing your job as far as getting out that information as best as you can.	00:50:29
	In talking with Brian, I think that.	00:50:37
	So next steps are.	00:50:40
	Applying for the grant.	00:50:42
	Should be the application should be going in the next week or two. You should hear back probably first part of April if we were	00:50:43
	awarded it.	00:50:46
	And then just move forward if everything is a green light on that end.	00:50:49
	So I think that I'm definitely in support of it.	00:50:53
	It is going to be. So we are going to be using about $400,000.	00:50:57
	Roughly of rap tax.	00:51:01
	And just so the public kind of understands, from what I understand, the rap tax, it's, it's a tax on, it's a.	00:51:04
	0.1 percent 1% of sales tax 1% of sales tax.	00:51:09
	That comes and it's just for recreation, art and parks.	00:51:17
	Project so this would fall within the rap tax, so we would be using.	00:51:20
	The set aside funds for that and we it's rough. I think we get about 20,000 dollars, $25,000 a month.	00:51:23
	Flows into that.	00:51:30
	So it would be appropriate in that portion of it and the rest of it would be coming from the grant.	00:51:32
	There might be a little bit of a.	00:51:37
	40 to $50,000.	00:51:39
	Gap, but depending on when.	00:51:41
	Since we get.	00:51:43
	20,000 a month depending on when we go we that.	00:51:44
	We might be able to cover that the wrap tax.	00:51:48
	But I think that I think it's a great project. I think we move forward with it.	00:51:51
	So what does it do to the city's liability?	00:51:57
	So do you want to come up and ask that?	00:52:04
	Yeah, yeah. So Karen Cornelius is asking.	00:52:08
	Yeah, OK.	00:52:12
	She Daria Evans Vineyard residence.	00:52:14
	Karen is asking.	00:52:18
	What is the city's?	00:52:19
	What is the city's liability?	00:52:21
	With the skate park.	00:52:23
	Awesome. Uh.	00:52:24
	So I asked that question in the work session two weeks ago and the.	00:52:25
	Obviously we want to run anything through our our legal department, but the response that I got was that we.	00:52:30
	Put disclaimers up that say something to the effect of your choosing to use this at your own risk, and it's your own liability.	00:52:36
	And that it's a negligible impact on the actual city itself if we.	00:52:44
	Have proper signage and post the warnings and the recommendations there.	00:52:49
	Hold on, does that sound right?	00:52:53
	Do you or what do you?	00:52:55
	I mean, generally speaking, when we had that with the pond.	00:52:56
	We had signs around it. It kind of qualified for the same thing.	00:53:01
	OK.	00:53:04
	The difference may be in Jesse. My answer is better, but the.	00:53:06
	We intend them to use it for that purpose, whereas the poem we said no swimming, so they happen to swim, then we wouldn't be	00:53:09
	liable. So sure. OK, so.	00:53:13
	Yeah, I mean.	00:53:17
	It's part of the trust.	00:53:18
	Insurance that you have from self insurance through the trust I imagine and.	00:53:19
	Yeah. I don't know if the premiums change you, just maybe.	00:53:22
	Or claims against the trust. So yeah.	00:53:26
	Sounds good.	00:53:28
	Hi, Rachel.	00:53:30
	Brian talked about that.	00:53:31
	Yes, I think that that was.	00:53:34
	Parker what Parker has responded to the Brian. Brian chatted about that so.	00:53:36
	Yeah, we'll definitely.	00:53:40
	Double check that, but I think that.	00:53:43
	The way that it was described to me and how I can understand.	00:53:46
	Like a splash pad, like if something like child slips and falls on the splash pad, you know it's a easier on risk as long as just	00:53:50
	the signs are up.	00:53:53
	That, umm.	00:53:56
	It falls underneath that umbrella.	00:53:57
	So, uh.	00:53:58
	I'm pretty sure I.	00:54:01
	You're yeah, right. I'm sure you heard that from Brian as well. Yeah.	00:54:03
	OK, Jake, we're going to say something.	00:54:07
	Yeah, I know that we are carving on the wetland section.	00:54:11
	With any other further.	00:54:17
	Stuff around when I don't know what they call Fisher they call it.	00:54:19
	Let's just call it been known for three years.	00:54:23
	I'm living past your.	00:54:27
	I think it would be wise.	00:54:29
	Like to have what staff are actually doing with the Army Corps of Engineers?	00:54:31
	I think it would be wise to just.	00:54:37
	Reevaluate that plan with all the emails and text messages that like. Are we actively trying to re delineate that?	00:54:40
	You know, I know that you had some drought years for.	00:54:49
	Seven or eight years, especially on the face of Mount Tiburon, and that's where.	00:54:53
	A lot of water.	00:54:58
	If we don't get good snowfall there those springs.	00:54:59
	Tend to be dry.	00:55:02
	But that will boomerang back in a wet year.	00:55:04
	And so I just think like.	00:55:08
	I know we I don't want to get bombarded that we're actively still doing something.	00:55:10
	We could like think on plan of what we're thinking featured out because we don't do that now, but.	00:55:14
	I wouldn't if I were the staff, I would just say.	00:55:21
	We probably shouldn't be spending time on that.	00:55:24
	Right. Is that?	00:55:26
	Are we still meeting with the Army Corps?	00:55:28
	We talked about that in the work session two weeks ago.	00:55:31
	And I think the.	00:55:35
	Kind of proposal for that area was.	00:55:36
	Put up a couple park benches and let people walk around it.	00:55:39
	This is honestly, yeah.	00:55:44
	Doesn't seem just to. I want to clarify.	00:55:45
	I mean, haven't worked with the Army Corps of Engineers, especially the Environmental division quite a bit.	00:55:47
	I can't say the word properly, but.	00:55:52
	Redialing eighteen. There we go.	00:55:55
	What all that does is it removes the Army Corps of Engineers is.	00:55:58
	Jurisdictional right.	00:56:02
	Over the wetlands.	00:56:03
	It does not remove the city's.	00:56:04
	I guess the city or yeah, the city's.	00:56:07
	Decision making, power and what to do with what to what to do with those weapons and.	00:56:11
	And for the the city I work for as a public works director.	00:56:14
	Owned hundreds and hundreds of acres.	00:56:18
	Of weapons and.	00:56:20
	Many of them were not under the jurisdiction of the Army Corps of Engineers. Yeah.	00:56:22
	And from what one in talking with Brian?	00:56:27
	Was Brian? That's a couple weeks ago. I talked with him and he was saying that.	00:56:31
	Phone Collins did a study.	00:56:34
	And determined that it wasn't a wetland so.	00:56:35
	Didn't fall.	00:56:37
	That's right.	00:56:38
	And then?	00:56:39
	They were just needing the Army Corps of Engineers and Brian, you could probably.	00:56:40
	Yeah, yeah, they're just.	00:56:44
	It needed a finalization.	00:56:47
	Something like that or it was another.	00:56:50
	Something. It was a step.	00:56:53
	For the grant.	00:56:54
	If I remember right, I don't think it wasn't for the grant, it was just.	00:56:55
	Just to finalize what it was, Yeah, because you were saying that Trump came in and change up wetlands. He changed the definition	00:57:00
	of wetlands. So. And Bone Collins.	00:57:05
	There are, consultants said. This is not a wetland. Yes, not deemed weapons.	00:57:09
	Not deemed wetlands under the new definition Under the new definition, Trump administration in 20 last.	00:57:15
	It was 18/20/17.	00:57:22
	His first term.	00:57:24
	OK, OK.	00:57:25
	All right.	00:57:28
	We will make sure that we.	00:57:31
	Are very cautious and.	00:57:33
	Cognitive, Anything we do over there.	00:57:35
	So awesome. Anything else on the on the Skate Park discussion that we want to go over today?	00:57:37
	Get that? OK.	00:57:44
	All righty, let's jump down to the Review Electric Mobility Devices ordinance.	00:57:47
	Or did someone say something on the?	00:57:52
	Yeah, I think Ryan's.	00:57:55
	OK.	00:57:56
	May OK.	00:58:02
	And then I'd say 5050 match, so if you have city we.	00:58:03
	At least 500,000 from around 10.	00:58:06
	OK, sounds good.	00:58:08
	Awesome. Sounds good and we're getting 20,000 a month and by May we OK, Yeah, that's what.	00:58:09
	Makes sense. OK, so.	00:58:15
	Very good.	00:58:17
	OK, let's jump into the.	00:58:19
	Electric mobility devices ordinance.	00:58:21
	Hold on, can you walk us through current state?	00:58:24
	What it is right now?	00:58:27
	On all these.	00:58:30
	Dirt. Electric dirt bikes.	00:58:31
	Cruising through town.	00:58:33
	Sure. So there are a few things that govern what can go on a sidewalk or a trail we have. There's a speed limit.	00:58:36
	Can't do more than 15 miles an hour? Doesn't matter whether you're on something you're pedaling.	00:58:44
	Or something that's electric that that's the speed limit on our sidewalks, on our trails.	00:58:48
	There's also.	00:58:53
	Provision in our code that says that you should not exceed a reasonable approval speed under the conditions given.	00:58:56
	Basically.	00:59:01
	Will travel safely.	00:59:03
	And then we also have the micro mobility device code we passed last year.	00:59:04
	Specifically more from the parks where you can't operate 1 recklessly through a park.	00:59:09
	And you can't be in any of the play areas of the park or the splash pad.	00:59:14
	And then the other thing in our code it does say that off Hwy. vehicles are not.	00:59:18
	Can't be operated on a sidewalk.	00:59:22
	The the new cheer ONS are like right on the like we could.	00:59:25
	Could we define them as a off Hwy. vehicle by state code? Probably.	00:59:28
	I mean, they do fit that, yeah.	00:59:33
	Because they don't have pedals or anything like that. It's just.	00:59:35
	That's kind of a Gray area whether we're going to call them off Hwy. vehicles or you know.	00:59:38
	These electric scooters or whatever we want to call them so.	00:59:42
	And those are the things that we have in right now. We also have something that says, you know, helmets are strongly encouraged.	00:59:46
	You know in our code right now.	00:59:53
	So encourage not required.	00:59:56
	Users of self-propelled mechanism on city trails or parkways are strongly encouraged to use helmets.	00:59:59
	So one of the things that we got that we need to take into account.	01:00:04
	As we talk about.	01:00:09
	If we want to make new ordinances, whatever it is, is the enforcement mechanism.	01:00:11
	Yeah. So if I come in to understand and I've got a 12 year old.	01:00:14
	It's broken one of these laws.	01:00:17
	I mean, yes. Could I send him to juvenile court for it? Probably.	01:00:19
	But more likely.	01:00:22
	The parent is the one.	01:00:24
	You know, was going to get in trouble. You know, we could put some mechanism to say.	01:00:25
	If a parent allows their children this, then we could you know.	01:00:29
	Take action against the parent.	01:00:32
	That is in our golf cart policy that that's a possibility, you know, for parents allowing their 12 year old to drive a golf cart.	01:00:35
	The parent could be liable for that.	01:00:39
	So just the hard part is especially on under the age of about 14.	01:00:43
	Whether we're going to, whether the court is going to accept or charge into the juvenile system.	01:00:48
	OK, so.	01:00:51
	OK, now we can put the rules. I mean, my guys, we can go out and educate as much as we can.	01:00:54
	My thought.	01:00:59
	Obviously we have the 2X recently.	01:01:01
	You know had won the rock broken femur and then.	01:01:02
	A head injury.	01:01:05
	Both at the same location.	01:01:06
	I believe in the scene is going to work on fixing that specific location.	01:01:08
	Are looking at it.	01:01:12
	And.	01:01:14
	My intent was.	01:01:15
	Follow up with those two families first.	01:01:17
	And then maybe we do some social media blitzes about.	01:01:19
	The current rules and make sure you know some safety stuff so.	01:01:22
	But I'm happy to entertain or look into and and I can.	01:01:28
	Look at other cities, what they're doing. We're pretty.	01:01:31
	Do you think that?	01:01:35
	We this is the education issue.	01:01:36
	Or a rules issue.	01:01:39
	I think a lot of it's an education issue and then a lot of it is.	01:01:42
	I mean, the rules. I mean they're not going 15 miles now. I've stopped.	01:01:48
	Several of them are going way faster than that. I saw Parker over the weekend going.	01:01:51
	17 I know.	01:01:55
	I was running.	01:02:00
	Education, because what we need is we need.	01:02:02
	Obviously when it comes to the youth, we need the parents to enforce the rules as far as helmets and speeds and ages.	01:02:05
	And those types of things, that's yeah, Mayor, I like that you.	01:02:11
	I'm going to, yeah.	01:02:15
	And that kid is going to do it more.	01:02:18
	Because I will have.	01:02:22
	Yeah.	01:02:25
	Sure, I like the idea of adding that to to.	01:02:27
	Motor vehicle that offer home vehicle policy so that parents are responsible like it is for golf carts.	01:02:30
	I think that's, I think that's a reasonable change to me.	01:02:36
	Having a parent here, that's probably the.	01:02:41
	A parent of the worst offenders in our whole city. Rachel, what do you think?	01:02:44
	Howard, please come up to the mic and let's get this on the record.	01:02:47
	Well, I'll take my name.	01:02:58
	Rachel Stratton.	01:02:59
	I think as a mom, sometimes it's hard.	01:03:02
	Not that.	01:03:04
	I don't have the rule.	01:03:06
	I think.	01:03:07
	The rule is helmet or I get your keys.	01:03:09
	Right.	01:03:11
	But there are times when I'm not home or Dad's not home.	01:03:12
	And they take off so.	01:03:15
	I think it's a hard.	01:03:17
	Balance, right?	01:03:19
	I have the rule. I also have independent children.	01:03:21
	Our strong.	01:03:25
	I don't know, I think.	01:03:26
	I think it's.	01:03:28
	Helpful to do a village mentality right where we've got.	01:03:29
	The officers helping.	01:03:32
	And I'm not saying that you need to be the bad guy or.	01:03:34
	Because I don't want to be. I'm not saying that.	01:03:37
	But.	01:03:38
	I think right like.	01:03:39
	Maybe we even have a helmet program, right? Like.	01:03:40
	Hey.	01:03:44
	Oh, look, I see you don't have your helmet on. Let's put this on right and you get.	01:03:45
	A2 strikes policy or something, I don't know. I'm not saying that that's.	01:03:49
	The answer but.	01:03:51
	I don't know, I think.	01:03:53
	We can work together.	01:03:54
	I think we'll probably have better results.	01:03:56
	Now for us, we are completely happy to always be the like enforcer, hey, where's your helmet and all and and help with them and	01:03:58
	those mentality.	01:04:02
	What my point is, I don't want there to be an expectation that I'm going to go out and give a citation.	01:04:07
	I mean.	01:04:14
	Yeah, I mean, you probably have 10 year olds driving, yes. Like so it's like at some point it's like.	01:04:15
	So I don't want. We are more than happy and we do all the time. Hey, where's your helmet exactly? Yeah, we'll continue to do that.	01:04:20
	So I I.	01:04:28
	I just want to make sure that there's always when it comes to.	01:04:30
	Passing ordinances I want there to be.	01:04:32
	What the expectation is and what the reality of what we can enforce to be aligned.	01:04:35
	Yeah, no.	01:04:40
	Well, I think kids do. We don't want kids to.	01:04:42
	There's already enough out there with.	01:04:45
	Law enforcement, right? I don't know that.	01:04:47
	Having my dad having dinner.	01:04:48
	Law enforcement officer I don't want.	01:04:50
	Kids to be thinking that.	01:04:52
	You're the evil one, right? I want, I want kids to recognize that.	01:04:54
	They're there to help and so I think if we can make it a positive thing.	01:04:59
	That would be great too, so.	01:05:02
	That's just my.	01:05:04
	Motherly sense.	01:05:05
	Also, I can't always.	01:05:08
	Make sure that they have their helmet on.	01:05:09
	Even though.	01:05:11
	That is the rule.	01:05:12
	I mean, is there a way we can?	01:05:14
	Is there a way?	01:05:16
	Chief, And we can, we can better enforce the 15 mile an hour speed limit.	01:05:17
	Within and what? What is the penalty for that if the?	01:05:21
	You catch some other a repeat offender.	01:05:24
	I think most of these inherently be like an infraction, so it's similar to like a speeding ticket.	01:05:27
	So when you're talking about citing a youth, though, that's especially when it's not a Veep, we're not driving a car.	01:05:32
	That goes to the juvenile court systems. We would refer a charge to the juvenile court system, which is different than you going	01:05:41
	and paying a speed, yeah.	01:05:44
	So I think, I think it makes sense to a couple of things make sense to me. I think a public just awareness campaign.	01:05:47
	Because we are coming off the.	01:05:54
	Heals of a couple nasty.	01:05:55
	Accidents, and I mean.	01:05:57
	No one wants that.	01:05:59
	Let's just.	01:06:00
	I don't want to be the safe.	01:06:02
	So.	01:06:05
	Education.	01:06:06
	Would be great.	01:06:07
	And then I think that we're just looking at the code.	01:06:08
	Or the ordinance, I think that would be in line.	01:06:11
	Because I do like the idea of maybe having the parents be more.	01:06:13
	Accountable.	01:06:17
	I'm happy. That makes sense. Look at our current codes, where we're at.	01:06:18
	And then?	01:06:21
	I think it would be and.	01:06:22
	It's not like if we caught your kids out of home. We're always in combination parent citation and more of hey.	01:06:23
	If you have the rule, are you trying to enforce it? And this is just one chance where they got out and you didn't have, didn't?	01:06:28
	You weren't home, That's fine.	01:06:34
	Whereas instead of you hey go go take it off on your motorcycle.	01:06:35
	Don't worry about your helmet is a different story.	01:06:38
	And your deputies haven't been on the receiving end of the phone calls or the visits. They've been super professional. But I think	01:06:40
	that's just like, that's probably plenty. Just yeah.	01:06:44
	Demo Call text.	01:06:48
	Knock on the door.	01:06:50
	But we could. I can look down the code and get that written up.	01:06:51
	Sounds good.	01:06:54
	Awesome.	01:06:56
	OK. Thank you.	01:06:58
	Anything else on the?	01:07:01
	On the active on that the.	01:07:02
	Device ordinance we want to talk about.	01:07:06
	So next steps for that so you'll look into the code.	01:07:08
	David, let's get.	01:07:12
	Let's work with.	01:07:14
	Let's just. I think it would be helpful to do a education blitz.	01:07:15
	On the current code.	01:07:18
	15 miles an hour on the sidewalks and the trails.	01:07:21
	And then how all that stuff can I ask Is there any?	01:07:24
	So we're talking about 15 miles an hour on trails and sidewalks.	01:07:29
	If that's enforced.	01:07:33
	It incentivizes people to ride them in the street.	01:07:35
	But we're talking about.	01:07:39
	Kids.	01:07:40
	In the street then.	01:07:41
	You add another layer of risk. Is there a rule that says how old you have to be to operate an electric vehicle?	01:07:43
	On the street, on the road versus on the trail.	01:07:49
	Not right now.	01:07:52
	So in theory.	01:07:55
	Because like the reality is you're going to get these 1012 year old.	01:07:56
	Boys on their E bikes out there.	01:07:59
	And they're all going 40 miles an hour.	01:08:02
	Blitzing through town if you get them off the.	01:08:04
	Under the sidewalk, you're just putting them on the street. You put them in the street.	01:08:06
	You have a greater risk of more catastrophic injury.	01:08:10
	You know, I have however been passed our house on a scooter going 40 miles an hour.	01:08:13
	Yes.	01:08:18
	My thought and it's.	01:08:20
	It's difficult and I don't, I don't have the answer. I'm trying to just think through and so I'll.	01:08:21
	Open if anybody wants to share thoughts.	01:08:25
	You know this.	01:08:28
	Fall, my son, six years old.	01:08:29
	Gets hit.	01:08:33
	By an older kid on a scooter who's going too fast and isn't paying attention.	01:08:34
	My son is just walking on the sidewalk.	01:08:39
	But gets a big bruised lip and bloody lip and black eye and everything as a result of that.	01:08:41
	The, you know, other kid helps him up and tries to be kind about it but then just zips off on a scooter anyway. So we don't know	01:08:46
	who hit him or what happened really. I mean.	01:08:51
	We saw him get hit, but then the kid leaves.	01:08:55
	So on the one hand you want to protect.	01:08:57
	Pedestrians who are on the sidewalk, using the trails, things like that.	01:09:00
	You don't necessarily want to.	01:09:04
	Dissuade or infringe on people's.	01:09:06
	Individual mobility.	01:09:08
	Or transportation.	01:09:10
	But there's.	01:09:13
	A liability or a risk to.	01:09:14
	Everyone in 1° or another depending on where they're at.	01:09:19
	Well, and those electric vehicles increase the danger for the people who actually are out walking.	01:09:22
	Correct.	01:09:27
	That's that's a problem too.	01:09:28
	On the one hand.	01:09:33
	My thought is I would.	01:09:34
	It's safer to put the electric vehicles moving very fast in the street with other fast moving things.	01:09:36
	Yeah, especially because, you know, generally speaking, we have some kind of wide trails in some areas of the city, but we don't	01:09:42
	in all areas of the city.	01:09:46
	But then you run the risk of.	01:09:51
	That's a much greater risk to the individual, especially when they're a youth.	01:09:53
	So I'm just.	01:09:58
	Sharing thoughts, spitballing out here.	01:09:59
	It's a conundrum.	01:10:01
	Yeah, solution.	01:10:03
	Rachel, you're gonna have another thing to say.	01:10:04
	Like a thought too, because.	01:10:07
	I think haven't some of these been on site like they've been on sidewalks?	01:10:09
	Like lighting how like.	01:10:13
	Because certain areas aren't lit as well either at night, you know.	01:10:14
	I'm leaving at night too so maybe requiring?	01:10:18
	A light on your.	01:10:20
	Vehicle you know to also help prevent.	01:10:23
	Some of this as well.	01:10:25
	Question about that specifically.	01:10:27
	So like I have a.	01:10:30
	A side by side my side by side street legal so I had to get.	01:10:31
	Mirrors. I had to get lights, how to get turn signals, all that stuff on it.	01:10:34
	Is there a requirement?	01:10:38
	For like if somebody put an E bike or.	01:10:39
	Or an electric vehicle on the streets. Does it have to meet those same requirements or know if it's a smaller single passenger	01:10:43
	type thing?	01:10:47
	Technically, they probably they'd fall more under the bicycle coats. They could ride the bike lane on the streets. I mean,	01:10:51
	reflectors probably.	01:10:55
	You know, but not necessarily a headlight.	01:11:00
	Sure, and they can ease their arm for a turn signal.	01:11:02
	Our golf carts we did put in a policy in our code that.	01:11:05
	If they're at night they have to have headlights, tail lights, inside reflectors.	01:11:08
	So Daria, do you have some thoughts?	01:11:12
	I'd also love to hear Kim Smith. I've seen your boys go 16 miles an hour, so I'd love to hear your thoughts on this as well.	01:11:16
	I I would like to see a helmet.	01:11:22
	Provision that.	01:11:27
	They need to wear helmets.	01:11:30
	Whether it's in a bike lane or in the middle of the road, if they're going 40, if they're going, if.	01:11:34
	If.	01:11:39
	Bike is going 28 miles an hour. They're full throttle.	01:11:40
	They need to wear a helmet. They are putting their life in danger.	01:11:44
	They need to be responsible.	01:11:48
	I my electric bike has.	01:11:50
	Light in the front has.	01:11:53
	Electric rear.	01:11:54
	Right, it has turn signals.	01:11:56
	And I am afraid now.	01:11:59
	To ride.	01:12:00
	In the road and.	01:12:01
	In the bike lanes because it is so dangerous and I wear a helmet.	01:12:04
	And I think it would be.	01:12:08
	The proper thing?	01:12:11
	To make the parents.	01:12:12
	Accountable to have.	01:12:15
	Youth wear helmets.	01:12:17
	I mean, I hate to be a.	01:12:19
	A toughie, but.	01:12:22
	I don't think it's a bad thing if the child gets.	01:12:23
	Sent to, you know, juvenile hug, get a violation to go to juvenile hall and get a talking to.	01:12:29
	Because this.	01:12:35
	Life or death situations for some of these kids.	01:12:37
	A little 6 year old boy he should not be.	01:12:40
	Hit on the sidewalk.	01:12:44
	Like that?	01:12:46
	So that's just my thoughts and I'm sorry I'm being.	01:12:47
	That way.	01:12:50
	You're not really, but that's my feeling.	01:12:51
	Love it.	01:12:53
	Ken, what are your thoughts?	01:12:54
	Do I have to come get to that?	01:12:57
	How do we handle this?	01:13:00
	And I give the rules and I'm not always home either. And.	01:13:03
	I would honestly love to call you and say go find.	01:13:08
	Anytime.	01:13:12
	But having worked for an injury attorney as well, I think there is tons of liability putting the kids on the road.	01:13:13
	And I've seen it in CASES and ACM.	01:13:21
	Try and use the insurances and then they go to the city.	01:13:24
	So I myself.	01:13:27
	It's just one of those things we don't have answers and we've got to try different.	01:13:29
	It seems to me that.	01:13:38
	Any vehicle that has proposed.	01:13:41
	How propulsion other than your own?	01:13:43
	Muscle movement.	01:13:46
	Ought to be obviously different class of vehicle.	01:13:48
	So the old-fashioned push scooters is one thing with these.	01:13:50
	Used electric propelled scooters are a whole different.	01:13:54
	Different animal.	01:13:57
	And it seems to me that they are.	01:13:58
	We have this intermediate class we have to deal with.	01:13:59
	Yeah, my, I mean.	01:14:02
	This is just the thought that I'm formulating, but I think.	01:14:05
	It's hard for me to want to support anything that.	01:14:10
	Bridges on the individual right of someone.	01:14:13
	And until it comes to safety for others.	01:14:17
	Right, so my thought would be.	01:14:20
	It I mean as a best practice it's probably better to advocate or push them towards the bike lane.	01:14:23
	It's where they're moving more in speed with other.	01:14:30
	People and objects moving at that same speed.	01:14:34
	Keep them off the sidewalks.	01:14:39
	Maybe a trail is a little bit up for more discussion. A trail is similar to the.	01:14:41
	Bike land. I mean, they're typically wider, but.	01:14:45
	I know like a lot of the trails, for example down by the lakeside.	01:14:48
	Lakeshore Trail has the No.	01:14:51
	No motorized, no electric vehicle signs up.	01:14:52
	So then you run into it more, maybe around the parks.	01:14:57
	But you don't want.	01:15:01
	You don't want to.	01:15:02
	Hitting pedestrians or around the pedestrians because that's where the biggest risk is for.	01:15:02
	Others.	01:15:07
	I agree with you there. I think, I think where I'm at on this, let's do.	01:15:12
	I think that's going back.	01:15:15
	I think that we.	01:15:17
	Well, we can start right away is just doing a public education campaign and start having our social media gal.	01:15:19
	Start pushing this out a 15 mile an hour.	01:15:25
	Let's let's start there.	01:15:29
	And then let's just look deeper into the code because I think this is a.	01:15:31
	These electric.	01:15:34
	Scooters or whatever the dirt bikes they're.	01:15:37
	There's something that I'm hearing a lot of other mayors trying to grapple with this in their cities. They're like, how do we	01:15:39
	handle this?	01:15:42
	And so I think that.	01:15:45
	1st I mean if we can.	01:15:47
	Ultimately previous skip.	01:15:49
	Helmets at 15 miles an hour. I think a lot of the problems are going to go away and that comes down to education.	01:15:50
	Right. And so I think let's do that.	01:15:56
	And I must look too. I like the helmet provision.	01:15:59
	To are you right now? Are your deputies.	01:16:01
	If someone is.	01:16:06
	If someone's cruising.	01:16:07
	Down a.	01:16:08
	Let's just say a trail going.	01:16:10
	40 Are they pulling them over right now? Are they?	01:16:12
	Yeah, they will. Oh yeah.	01:16:16
	OK, so they're stopping.	01:16:18
	And what about the helmets? If they're cruising without a helmet, are they? Then they'll tell me you need to have a helmet if	01:16:19
	they're going 40 with no helmet. But if they're even if they're not going 20 or whatever it is, you know, we're pretty big.	01:16:24
	I mean, I'm.	01:16:30
	I'm a huge advocate of it's got Will, he's got a helmet on.	01:16:30
	So, yeah, yeah.	01:16:33
	Control the trials, too. As we're driving, we'll see the trails. We don't necessarily patrol on the trails because, you know, so.	01:16:35
	But you're just, yeah.	01:16:42
	The trails that are next to the.	01:16:43
	So maybe let's just start out with that with the public education and then look at the.	01:16:47
	Putting putting a little more teeth in, saying.	01:16:53
	Helmets. Umm.	01:16:56
	We work on getting some options. Yep.	01:16:58
	Just Yep.	01:16:59
	Talk to some other people that you're.	01:17:00
	How? Because this is a.	01:17:02
	This is a boondoggle, so.	01:17:04
	Yeah, the difficulty in this even when I was doing the the other code is.	01:17:07
	We need to balance pedestrians with people that are on bikes and everything else and the problem is you can't just say	01:17:11
	self-propelled because there's so many of them.	01:17:14
	A skateboard. The skateboards were self-propelled. Now in the.	01:17:18
	One wheels and the E bikes and there's so many.	01:17:21
	To try to classify one given one versus the other. Very difficult so.	01:17:24
	That's why it was more of a blanket micro mobility device.	01:17:28
	So, and I think, I think the end goal is like if we can get people going 15 miles an hour on the trails and keep the self real	01:17:32
	stuff on the trails, that's probably the best way to handle it.	01:17:36
	And then get people wearing helmets.	01:17:41
	Right.	01:17:43
	And our son is like this ones ugly or whatever like.	01:17:47
	Education, right like.	01:17:54
	This one's deal to be approved and this is, you know, like this is what we recommend.	01:17:55
	But it's not also the wall.	01:18:00
	Yeah, yeah.	01:18:01
	Mom, you don't know what you're talking about. I know fashion fees, but I think there are probably other moms that feel the same	01:18:03
	way and if it's coming from.	01:18:06
	Someone else?	01:18:10
	You know what? Yeah, that whole face mask actually willing to protect you and.	01:18:11
	You know this.	01:18:16
	Can we give this education go to the schools as well?	01:18:19
	That's a great question. I think that it almost feels added to the Nova program.	01:18:23
	Yeah, we do a so so May is our bike month.	01:18:27
	And we do a bike to school day and we're always there handing out pencils. Anybody's riding a bike. And we're always talking about	01:18:30
	how I'll thanks for having your helmet on. Hey, where's your helmet?	01:18:34
	We also do the bike rodeo where we do a whole lesson on why you should wear a helmet with the watermelon drop and.	01:18:39
	The one in the helmet doesn't break and the one out just goes everywhere. So so we do all those things as well. But we can	01:18:45
	definitely increase that and we can.	01:18:49
	Do more like right now we've been going around doing the cookies with cops in the schools. We did that this morning talking about	01:18:53
	online safety. We could definitely do another campaign talk about some of this stuff as well.	01:18:58
	Yeah, and involving the parents as well, yeah.	01:19:03
	Yeah, all the different schools can't be incorporated into their and we implement that into our school in your cares program and	01:19:09
	safety and.	01:19:13
	Maybe that could also be part of the requirement for the grant.	01:19:19
	Is talking about.	01:19:22
	Transportation, yeah.	01:19:25
	I think this.	01:19:28
	OK, we can certainly.	01:19:35
	You can certainly look at that.	01:19:37
	We have some.	01:19:39
	Yes, we'll discuss it the next board, people.	01:19:42
	I don't know a lot, but my lady on the board.	01:19:45
	We know exactly what we need to get the grant and we will follow that.	01:19:48
	And if it's in there, we'll implement it into our schools.	01:19:52
	OK, this is something where they're below 18. They have to.	01:19:55
	Do a little class, like a 30 minute class or something.	01:20:01
	To be able to use it, you know.	01:20:04
	We we have talked about like a bike registration.	01:20:07
	Program or something like that. We could look at something like that.	01:20:10
	Yeah, so.	01:20:13
	You know, and as much as I can say stuff, I think it's helpful to hear multiple person.	01:20:16
	Yeah, awesome. Thank you for putting up with our children.	01:20:21
	I have kids too.	01:20:28
	His kids go 17 miles an hour.	01:20:31
	So he understands his voice too.	01:20:33
	All right.	01:20:41
	Let's do that. Let's.	01:20:42
	More constant getting this stuff DK let's work on getting some.	01:20:43
	Just I think.	01:20:46
	That would be good, Blitz, especially when we're coming in the spring and they're gonna start be riding them more and more.	01:20:47
	Yeah, yeah.	01:20:56
	OK.	01:20:57
	We will keep working on this and I don't know if this is anything that.	01:20:59
	Will ever be like perfect but.	01:21:02
	I think the intent is just to keep working on it.	01:21:06
	And keep going so.	01:21:09
	Anything else before we jump into the 400 S planning discussion?	01:21:12
	OK, All right, let's jump down to 400 S.	01:21:15
	David Larae, would you mind leading out on?	01:21:19
	That discussion.	01:21:22
	You bet.	01:21:23
	Perfect. Thank you.	01:21:24
	OK, so attached to the agenda in the.	01:21:25
	Was a large.	01:21:28
	A long map of.	01:21:30
	400,000.	01:21:31
	Anyway we can bring that up so we look at it.	01:21:32
	Anyway, it shows it shows the proposed.	01:21:38
	A proposed proposed.	01:21:41
	Rao OR had the striping plan and so forth.	01:21:42
	For 1/4 S from from Geneva Rd. over to Main Street.	01:21:47
	And most of that is constructed already, but there have been.	01:21:52
	Re striping issues.	01:21:57
	Along.	01:21:59
	Anyway, there are several intersections along the other that we're working on.	01:22:01
	One of them has been.	01:22:05
	Is in the state of.	01:22:06
	It's violent and it's to be constructed, I guess, this summer.	01:22:07
	And that's the they're going to realign the exit from the the.	01:22:12
	The parking lot from the sports park with the street that is opposite it.	01:22:16
	And put a light in.	01:22:21
	Traffic signal and a four, you know, four ways.	01:22:23
	Because they want appropriate crosswalks and controls and so forth.	01:22:25
	And that's and that's really needed.	01:22:29
	There's also some other areas you need to look at we.	01:22:32
	And on this plan there is a.	01:22:35
	A re redoing or we.	01:22:37
	We don't know rerouting I guess of the.	01:22:40
	Of some of the parking along front of the Vineyard Elementary School. I don't think that's a.	01:22:42
	The final plan of this one, that's one issue there.	01:22:47
	Yeah, that's that's it.	01:22:52
	We're gonna get bigger, yeah.	01:22:55
	Yeah, hit hit control plus a few times.	01:22:57
	OK, so.	01:23:02
	Yeah, on the right side.	01:23:03
	You on the right side of that thing, you'll see go.	01:23:04
	The intersection with Geneva Rd.	01:23:06
	That comes in the 1st St. coming W there is a Vineyard Rd.	01:23:09
	Funeral attaches to.	01:23:14
	For herself. Right there you'll see opposite St. You'll see the little county corner there there's an exit from the.	01:23:15
	School parking lot.	01:23:23
	It seems to me one of the one of the plans is to realign that so that that.	01:23:25
	So that becomes a regular intersection.	01:23:28
	It seems that you know that could.	01:23:31
	That could happen and.	01:23:33
	We'd like to I'd like to find out what it would take to.	01:23:35
	Get that project going. It's because that's.	01:23:39
	That involves vineyards and it involves Orem.	01:23:41
	Talking about coming out of the east parking lot.	01:23:45
	Yeah, 1.1 point.	01:23:49
	So.	01:23:56
	Right here you'll see there's. This is where the exit is now.	01:23:57
	That's moved over.	01:24:00
	You know, for you to move that over.	01:24:01
	So the lines this corner here.	01:24:03
	We can make a controlled intersection there.	01:24:06
	And this control of lights.	01:24:08
	They could be synced with the lights on.	01:24:11
	Geneva Rd. Alleviate backups.	01:24:13
	Now we're close to that.	01:24:17
	That we would have a lot of trouble.	01:24:18
	We didn't synchronize.	01:24:21
	Because that was all you got.	01:24:22
	And I think it can be done, but we have to.	01:24:24
	What's that cut out?	01:24:26
	I don't think we have to get proposals on engineering costs and what we do.	01:24:29
	How to do that and the cost?	01:24:33
	But it seems to me this is a program.	01:24:36
	We're working on this.	01:24:38
	A couple feet houses from through.	01:24:40
	The most recent one.	01:24:42
	Have happened when the young lady was hit over here in this area. There's no mass that between Geneva Road and Feeder Rd.	01:24:43
	Since she was dragged over here to the point where.	01:24:50
	Benches down the radar.	01:24:53
	Capacity and and that's a.	01:24:55
	So this is this corner needs to be addressed.	01:24:58
	Because we've already had the pallets here, we.	01:25:01
	Fix that and I know it's.	01:25:03
	Lists to be looked at.	01:25:05
	You need to as a way to reprioritize that and bring it up. So we're looking at it.	01:25:07
	Fixing it sooner.	01:25:11
	I know it's way down to some other list.	01:25:13
	So correct, that's the field.	01:25:16
	The boundary is right here.	01:25:22
	That's what the fence is kind of. That's the private property, right? Yes. So it wouldn't involve private property. This involved	01:25:24
	a school problem.	01:25:27
	It would involve extending their current driveway.	01:25:31
	Across, across the front. Will y'all pray this?	01:25:34
	Over here connecting it and then moving this this entrance over to align with that.	01:25:37
	So it would take a little bit.	01:25:42
	Take some funding to do that.	01:25:43
	And legendary work to see how that would look like.	01:25:45
	This is 1 proposal I I don't think it's it fully answers a model because even if the bulls are just pulling the line.	01:25:50
	What's that? I like to see if we can.	01:25:59
	Where did where did the proposal for that come from, do you know?	01:26:05
	This proposal was offered by.	01:26:09
	A resident, Sean.	01:26:11
	He was looking at a complete plan for 400 S.	01:26:13
	He lives over this area over here that's affected by the.	01:26:16
	Holograms over here.	01:26:20
	Is affected by the park.	01:26:21
	We have lots of, lots of people that use this park.	01:26:23
	For soccer on a regular basis, even for the winter, we have to talk about completely full types.	01:26:26
	In the summer there's incredible workflows and they can actually use the church parking lot over here as.	01:26:31
	As overflow park.	01:26:36
	Been gracious about that.	01:26:38
	Complain about it.	01:26:40
	And when people walk back over here.	01:26:41
	His proposal with with with.	01:26:44
	With more parking over over here. Admiral Parking.	01:26:47
	The section here is owned by.	01:26:50
	It's not that not used for anything else right now.	01:26:52
	OK, sorry.	01:26:59
	I guess I could probably hold it.	01:27:02
	Anyway, so.	01:27:04
	And so this would.	01:27:05
	Anyway, this area here, he said we have he has trouble getting out of his St.	01:27:08
	Onto Florida South and it's a real problem.	01:27:12
	Was when we had lots of soccer games going on and so forth. They just have a hard time getting in and out.	01:27:17
	And so it would be nice to be able to find a way to.	01:27:22
	To make this a smoother flow.	01:27:24
	Flow pattern.	01:27:26
	Also.	01:27:27
	We have the.	01:27:29
	The corner of the.	01:27:29
	Listening to this.	01:27:31
	That's about it.	01:27:32
	So the other thing with the corner of Holdaway Rd.	01:27:34
	You'll see that this.	01:27:38
	This the ideal format for the road with sidewalks. You know the.	01:27:39
	The street with over here is really an ideal.	01:27:43
	I deal with a night layout.	01:27:46
	And extending that.	01:27:48
	Long along the extension.	01:27:49
	Of long been your Rd. where it's already there extends over here to this roundabout.	01:27:52
	I think it's good.	01:27:56
	Can you skip that graphic over?	01:27:58
	It comes over next roundabout. It's roundabouts right here is proposed here and.	01:28:03
	Also there was an.	01:28:06
	Former plans There has been a road plan for here to come back over here.	01:28:08
	And link into a.	01:28:12
	The Elms neighborhood.	01:28:16
	The town maples.	01:28:19
	Helps. OK. Thank you.	01:28:21
	Anyway, it comes and so that would be.	01:28:23
	They would answer their.	01:28:24
	We also have residents that are now living down here in this Holdaway Fields area that.	01:28:26
	Are concerned about the way their children.	01:28:30
	You can get to school. They didn't want them to walk to school when this road goes through.	01:28:33
	But they want a safe sidewalk.	01:28:37
	And so we need to make sure we have.	01:28:39
	Adequate sidewalks to be able to handle that.	01:28:41
	And so as we continue this, we.	01:28:44
	I I think it's.	01:28:46
	Now we haven't seen, I haven't seen a full on plan I've seen.	01:28:48
	Some plans for.	01:28:51
	An entryway over here and so forth, but I think we haven't seen a full cross section here.	01:28:53
	Of how that would work was built out.	01:28:58
	And I wonder if we could ask.	01:29:00
	Engineering to work on the bigger.	01:29:02
	Put a priority on that so they can.	01:29:04
	You know, bring out the fruition soon.	01:29:07
	I know that the.	01:29:10
	The developers of hallway fields are anxious.	01:29:11
	Together.	01:29:13
	The clarification on this road and they want to be able to proceed.	01:29:14
	And they have.	01:29:18
	Anyway, they're offering different proposals.	01:29:20
	It'll switch around the delivery of different parcels to be able to.	01:29:23
	And I'll start building again on sections.	01:29:27
	Those negotiations could be prioritized as well so they can.	01:29:31
	Settle that for them.	01:29:35
	So they can move forward.	01:29:36
	And also established for us exactly the.	01:29:37
	You know, they want, they want to amend the.	01:29:40
	Developer agreement.	01:29:43
	And I think we need to look at that and make sure that.	01:29:44
	That we approve of the things they want to do and make sure we are.	01:29:47
	Our needs are met.	01:29:50
	So I think we should try to, you know, actively.	01:29:52
	Negotiate with them about that and get that settled.	01:29:55
	And as soon as we can get this all done.	01:29:58
	Over here then you know we can have.	01:30:01
	Kids safely travel to school.	01:30:03
	They can also have traffic come over here which will take them off of a lot. Holdaway Rd. which is the only other access besides	01:30:05
	Vineyard Rd. over there and both of those.	01:30:09
	This is a narrow Rd. meant just to be a residential area.	01:30:14
	It's the only neighborhood we have that has this.	01:30:17
	Blu-ray through it.	01:30:20
	That provides.	01:30:21
	You know the people uses access from one part of the city to the other.	01:30:22
	And so.	01:30:26
	Completing this road here would allow them to come down Main St.	01:30:27
	And going up 400.	01:30:30
	And had a better traffic rule there.	01:30:32
	So that would that would ease the.	01:30:34
	Now the burden on hold the road, it would also.	01:30:36
	You know, allow for.	01:30:40
	I'll offer bear traffic flow.	01:30:41
	So I I.	01:30:43
	This has been a sort of thorn in our side for some time.	01:30:45
	And we have an opportunity now to to help make it better.	01:30:48
	And I would like to see if we can to reprioritize efforts on that to.	01:30:51
	To get that taken care of.	01:30:57
	I know we have a lot of issues other we have other issues to 800 N is the big issue that we're in Main St.	01:30:59
	I agree it needs to be looked at and addressed.	01:31:05
	Well, I think this is this is coming up to be almost as bad.	01:31:08
	I appreciate that.	01:31:13
	Comments on this?	01:31:18
	By the park.	01:31:28
	Is this right right here?	01:31:32
	But it is awkwardly comes up the street and down and then comes into these neighborhoods, right?	01:31:35
	This is still Vineyard here, but this is forum.	01:31:41
	These two are vineyards.	01:31:45
	Isn't the horror line?	01:31:47
	OK. And it'll be two, two down here all along. There's there's 4 cul de sacs.	01:31:49
	Correct, correct.	01:31:53
	So what is the exact proposal then?	01:31:55
	The current state is that right now.	01:31:58
	That this road here.	01:32:00
	This way it's much larger, correct?	01:32:03
	This road here is Roger, this one here needs to be want.	01:32:09
	They want to preserve.	01:32:13
	I'm sorry, I got lost, right? That's need to be wider. They're going to widen this year.	01:32:15
	And and the format that's here with with.	01:32:20
	This is I hear from the church this area here.	01:32:23
	Everyone seems to agree that that's probably the best.	01:32:26
	Best alignment for the road?	01:32:28
	With the with the lanes and everything and so.	01:32:30
	We want to continue this alignment.	01:32:32
	Down here, through the roundabout and on down to Main Street.	01:32:33
	That's that's the proposal.	01:32:37
	Yes, that's actually going to happen that.	01:32:44
	The park, the school that's actually been funded and it's going to happen this summer is that.	01:32:46
	Yes, you're speaking.	01:32:53
	This is This is.	01:32:55
	This is getting filled.	01:32:56
	Yeah, that'll be done this summer.	01:32:58
	This year.	01:33:01
	Sorry I.	01:33:07
	I got a message that people are having a hard time hearing online.	01:33:08
	Without the mic.	01:33:10
	All right.	01:33:13
	We'll go back to our chairs.	01:33:16
	So from what I understand.	01:33:22
	Well, what I know is that.	01:33:24
	The entrance that goes into the soccer complex, that realignment is left out the bid right now.	01:33:26
	And that is a program to be done. I think it's spring. They're they're jumping on it right away.	01:33:32
	The one down at the school that you.	01:33:38
	You were asking about, I believe Rachel, that is still TBD. We've got to get with the new school.	01:33:40
	Because that affects.	01:33:45
	School District.	01:33:48
	Property right, because we're saying we.	01:33:49
	We would recommend.	01:33:51
	Getting rid of some of the field and that's not a property, so we can't.	01:33:53
	Do that.	01:33:56
	And then the the point that the the discussion that what the decision needs to be.	01:33:58
	Made in the direction I think right away is.	01:34:02
	From basically.	01:34:07
	All the way Rd.	01:34:08
	Down to.	01:34:10
	Umm, Main St.	01:34:12
	So.	01:34:13
	Is that a good uh.	01:34:15
	Summation. And we would like to maintain the alignment that exists right now in front of the church there.	01:34:16
	Between the church and.	01:34:22
	And the public, anyway.	01:34:24
	That that that's that's the ideal alignment. We like to try to maintain that. OK, so this is honestly I.	01:34:26
	I can't forgive me for.	01:34:32
	I saw this on the agenda this morning and I with this map. I didn't get a chance to review the attached exhibit prior to this	01:34:34
	meeting.	01:34:38
	But I did send out an e-mail to you, Mayor.	01:34:42
	Just prior to this thing and I know that did not give you enough time to review.	01:34:45
	So the thinner city does have a complete design for.	01:34:49
	The section between.	01:34:54
	Hallway Rd. of.	01:34:55
	Before I stop between Holdaway Rd. going westbound.	01:34:57
	To the oh I feel its property line.	01:34:59
	Which is probably like just shy of the roundabout.	01:35:02
	Which matches the alignment.	01:35:06
	Of 400 SE of Holloway Rd.	01:35:08
	Right where that church is.	01:35:12
	And also.	01:35:14
	Addresses that.	01:35:15
	Ask you the crosswalk at the intersection of pullaway roads.	01:35:16
	It for ourselves and also add stability to add.	01:35:19
	Stop signs.	01:35:22
	Eye control thing there so.	01:35:23
	We do have final designs.	01:35:25
	Completed, stamped and sealed by a professional engineer.	01:35:27
	For that section of railway which aligns to the.	01:35:30
	Existing roadway.	01:35:34
	It was. It also aligns to the actual Transportation Commission and Planning Commission.	01:35:36
	And development agreement as well.	01:35:41
	OK, so my understanding that that that was that.	01:35:43
	Those are some of the plans that Council hold away objected to. I don't know that I never received any objections from any council	01:35:46
	members. These plans were completed.	01:35:51
	Literally, I began. I didn't believe, though.	01:35:56
	At the very end of the calendar year slash beginning with the.	01:35:59
	Of this calendar year, so.	01:36:02
	We have a house. You have to do anything with them.	01:36:04
	Is it possible to get copies of those so we can take a look at 100% Sir?	01:36:06
	Yeah. So like I said, those were the plans that were there were alignments to the.	01:36:12
	Public feedback that we received, excuse me, the feedback that was received.	01:36:16
	From Vapor Transportation Commission and Planning Commission, I also believe the.	01:36:21
	City Council as.	01:36:24
	Well, all the time I.	01:36:25
	I can't.	01:36:27
	Site dates off top of my head but.	01:36:29
	And they also align with the Transportation Master Plan, which was approved 2025.	01:36:32
	Doctor Castillo should plan. Approved in 2023.	01:36:38
	As well as maintaining.	01:36:42
	And everything. Excuse me?	01:36:44
	And maintain the cross section.	01:36:46
	The former South.	01:36:49
	The cross section 404 hundred southeast of.	01:36:51
	Hold the road, I just want to remind.	01:36:54
	The Council here.	01:36:56
	Again, this happened before your time, so it's not really a reminder, it's a statement.	01:36:58
	For the first time, there we go.	01:37:02
	That's Orem City.	01:37:03
	Proposed the changing of the.	01:37:06
	In late 2025.	01:37:09
	As well as provides us that design that was that's currently implemented.	01:37:11
	Then you're saying that was the partner?	01:37:16
	To that because.	01:37:18
	They extended their.	01:37:19
	The stripping into bigger city at the time.	01:37:20
	Seven years. It was a park in 2000.	01:37:23
	But the proposal came from Warm City.	01:37:25
	On that. So we would definitely have to work with Orem City.	01:37:28
	To go backwards.	01:37:31
	I want to say well backwards too.	01:37:32
	Dugout ads another direction.	01:37:34
	On that, but they were the ones who were a proponent.	01:37:36
	To that realignment.	01:37:39
	This one and then I just want to give you a heads up and.	01:37:42
	Of course, working with the dot. We have a great partner with working with dot.	01:37:44
	I believe we can always find solutions with the OT.	01:37:48
	And that's in regards to the.	01:37:52
	That's in regards to the roadway section, that's.	01:37:56
	Approaches Geneva Rd. Excuse me.	01:37:59
	OK, OK.	01:38:03
	I'm sorry. And Mayor, if you want me to send out an e-mail with the attachment, I can. I can do that.	01:38:07
	That would be that'd be awesome. OK, Yeah. Thank you.	01:38:11
	OK, so this.	01:38:15
	Looks like it covers that so.	01:38:17
	Yeah, I know there was.	01:38:22
	We need to go out the Council and hold away on this discussion too, because I know there was.	01:38:23
	He was concerned about some turn lanes that were being added in. He wasn't sure about those not seeing turn lanes on this. This	01:38:27
	right here. Great, then let's maybe that's problems gone away.	01:38:32
	OK.	01:38:37
	What is the What is cadence?	01:38:41
	Waiting on are they? So let me show you, David, let's look at this real quick. So this right here.	01:38:43
	So the map I'm looking at right here, it just this is a continuation what's in front of the Rileys house and Ryan's house?	01:38:49
	Right right down there.	01:38:55
	Are they looking for direction? So here's the roundabout on the size of the road from the roundabout.	01:38:57
	West.	01:39:02
	Yes, they, they, they, they are looking for that. They, they want to get the that nailed down.	01:39:05
	OK.	01:39:09
	And I know they're interested in.	01:39:12
	In changing the order of delivery of various.	01:39:15
	Various parcels of.	01:39:19
	Each they want to change the phasing of the project a little bit.	01:39:21
	They want to deliver at different parks, at different times and so forth.	01:39:25
	And I think we're agreeable to that.	01:39:29
	But the other issue is that they.	01:39:32
	They were in their development agreement. They locked in.	01:39:35
	Impact fees at the level.	01:39:39
	Existed the time that.	01:39:41
	We met a slide.	01:39:44
	And and they were quite they're insufficiently to cover the expenses that.	01:39:45
	The city doesn't occurring and so.	01:39:50
	They would, we've asked them as part of that negotiation.	01:39:52
	Increase that impact fee.	01:39:55
	On the lots, and they so far have.	01:39:57
	They don't find that.	01:40:00
	I can't agree to that.	01:40:01
	So it seems to me we needed.	01:40:02
	To have a chat room about that and see if we can't find a middle ground.	01:40:04
	OK, sounds good.	01:40:07
	Naseem, what is next steps?	01:40:10
	To lock this in.	01:40:12
	I can pick up on the development agreement part, yeah.	01:40:14
	I actually just emailed them as well as the council today that we will be doing a public hearing.	01:40:17
	For their application for the development agreement.	01:40:22
	Amendment. Uh.	01:40:25
	Which does impact the impact fees as well as the phasing of their development.	01:40:26
	And we have that on the calendar for Planning Commission.	01:40:31
	On.	01:40:34
	March 4th and then City Council for the 10th.	01:40:35
	So those would be public hearings.	01:40:38
	For the development agreement amendment, and then we'd essentially get that recorded and then that would be the new development	01:40:40
	agreement we'd be working off of.	01:40:43
	As Councilman Larry.	01:40:47
	Mention if we can come to an agreement on how those impact fees, how we we figure that out because that's been the biggest	01:40:49
	sticking point here is that is that a sticking point that they just don't want to pay additional impact fees? Yeah. So, so we	01:40:55
	recently had like the the parking master plan impact fees implemented in the city budget and and they don't want to pay those.	01:41:00
	And and we, we could talk with them as well.	01:41:07
	About how they are bringing some parks into the city to see if they get credit for that or something like that.	01:41:09
	But we've.	01:41:15
	Just kind of just stalemate with them. And so they they did actually today request to be on the the City Council agenda for a work	01:41:16
	session.	01:41:19
	Before they go to the public hearing and that would be?	01:41:23
	Next week, if if the Council wants to hear from them, from the applicant themselves on this issue, I I will mention the	01:41:26
	development agreement.	01:41:29
	Application that they've submitted does nothing with this right of way or with the the street design here.	01:41:33
	It is only the fading and the impact these.	01:41:38
	Correct. Umm.	01:41:41
	OK.	01:41:42
	Awesome.	01:41:44
	OK, so back to the 400 S discussion. Kim, did you want to say anything about the 400 S? This makes sense, I mean.	01:41:46
	It seemed like your concern was just.	01:41:53
	Getting rid of the.	01:41:54
	David, this get this right here.	01:41:56
	From what I understand.	01:41:59
	This plan.	01:42:01
	Does Jake have to get rid of his?	01:42:02
	The Hill.	01:42:03
	Right here in the tractor, because that's been the concern of many of the neighbors. It's just too high.	01:42:04
	Right. Yeah, I don't.	01:42:08
	The answer is I don't know. The stakes are so I don't know how.	01:42:09
	I don't know if you're happy or not.	01:42:14
	OK, so.	01:42:16
	Yeah, yeah.	01:42:17
	Yeah. I'm sorry, I got my geotech engineering half. Yeah, critically, those type of things can always be addressed with retaining	01:42:18
	walls, et cetera, et cetera. So.	01:42:22
	I mean whenever you put it.	01:42:26
	To amount with a little thing on top of it.	01:42:28
	You know, physics says that you get an exponential.	01:42:31
	Pressure.	01:42:33
	So when the city put the entertainment city, do that.	01:42:34
	Cities are currently on that, however, oftentimes when working with local adjacent homeowners.	01:42:37
	The city may choose to.	01:42:43
	Provide.	01:42:45
	Accommodations.	01:42:47
	At but that's usually at the discretion of Council and.	01:42:49
	So I talked to Jake about it and what he said to me. He said he's fine moving the tractor and getting rid of the hill. It's like	01:42:52
	that's fine.	01:42:55
	That was his comment to me.	01:42:59
	Yeah, and you held a happy quite so high either.	01:43:02
	Yeah.	01:43:05
	He knows that.	01:43:05
	You guys agreed to that?	01:43:07
	Yeah, I.	01:43:08
	Yeah, so.	01:43:11
	The time frame of when it would be connected.	01:43:14
	The Chapel social season.	01:43:16
	Yeah, the good question the the developer wanted to he really wants to get going on it. He.	01:43:20
	He said he would have paved it last.	01:43:26
	Fall but he just they.	01:43:28
	Just ran out of time.	01:43:30
	So from what he has told me, it's.	01:43:31
	First thing this spring.	01:43:35
	So as soon as the asphalt plants get up and going.	01:43:37
	So.	01:43:39
	It is all going to remain the same.	01:43:42
	Well, that's that's the question that I have. It's I would.	01:43:44
	I think the intent is to have the width of the.	01:43:48
	4th style basically from Geneva Rd. all the way down to.	01:43:50
	No, I'm sorry. Let me back up.	01:43:55
	From Holdaway Rd.	01:43:57
	That would be the same way from Holdaway Rd. all the way down to Main Street. Is that the is that the thought, David? Yeah.	01:44:00
	Am I misspeaking here?	01:44:05
	Yeah, from from before Holy Rd. That fact, you know the home.	01:44:07
	From the chapels before Holy wrote and so from that that.	01:44:11
	That it would be the same width.	01:44:14
	From Geneva all the way to Main Street.	01:44:16
	We would like that but there's a section in front of the school that'd be wider but other than that.	01:44:19
	But especially from like right here.	01:44:24
	All the way down.	01:44:26
	Correct. Right. We'd like to have that, absolutely. At least two lanes of traffic and bike lanes and sidewalks and so forth.	01:44:28
	But, and assume this right here, he will.	01:44:34
	The developer.	01:44:37
	Cadence would have to take care of this portion here.	01:44:38
	That's their right.	01:44:40
	That's correct. That's there. That's they do the engineering, then we just approve it. They've already designed that they provide	01:44:42
	the engineering. So it's been approved and they're currently under construction as we speak.	01:44:47
	Is it? Is it gonna?	01:44:51
	Is are they building the road that is?	01:44:52
	The same width here, so the width of the road that they're building there is the.	01:44:56
	77 foot right away, the 77 foot the right away doesn't doesn't necessarily mean pavement.	01:45:02
	It's a very perfect.	01:45:08
	Pavement Rd. but the right away which is.	01:45:09
	Includes park strip sidewalks.	01:45:11
	And even backward sidewalk as well.	01:45:14
	Is somebody sorry?	01:45:17
	Is that the same?	01:45:19
	With the right of way, by the way.	01:45:21
	The right yeah, the rails are yeah.	01:45:22
	Don't have to cut you off. I want to know if the cross street cross section.	01:45:24
	Sidewalk to sidewalk.	01:45:29
	The whole thing is it the same width for the?	01:45:31
	As this in front of the.	01:45:33
	The church there, so the city owns the.	01:45:35
	About 6060.	01:45:37
	7768 feet over right away there.	01:45:40
	So you only from 67.	01:45:43
	Or 68 feet to 70 some odd feet. Is that that hurt?	01:45:45
	Yes, I said again. It's it's a.	01:45:50
	That's the right way to the city owns. I mean, city could.	01:45:52
	And then that's what because of the soap operas built up to the curb of the road.	01:45:57
	Which is not cynical.	01:46:01
	Is is not typical in terms of?	01:46:02
	How designed and built to today's standards?	01:46:05
	So again.	01:46:08
	Oftentimes you run into legacy standards.	01:46:09
	And then doing transition.	01:46:12
	The current standards.	01:46:15
	So there is typically transition points case in points.	01:46:16
	We did. We did change our development construction standards for curb designs.	01:46:19
	To align with the.	01:46:23
	How other states are seeing other cities?	01:46:24
	Or the state? What would like to do with?	01:46:27
	So we have like a.	01:46:29
	So in areas of the city you'll.	01:46:31
	We'll see the transition between.	01:46:33
	Curb heights. A slight transition curve heights.	01:46:35
	In terms of how the.	01:46:37
	In terms of how the curve is done.	01:46:39
	But when we shift from our old standard to a new standard.	01:46:41
	That's the transit. Those are the transition points.	01:46:44
	I don't think.	01:46:47
	Sorry, I don't think, Commissioner, hold away.	01:46:49
	Cares about this.	01:46:51
	Curb height so much he cares about how much of his property you're taking so if you're.	01:46:51
	You went from 66 feet to 75 feet and it's cutting in this property.	01:46:55
	He's concerned about that. We wanted the six.	01:46:59
	6758, Whatever.	01:47:03
	I live in front of the church.	01:47:05
	Yes, Sir, so.	01:47:06
	Through and I think that city design takes more than that.	01:47:08
	So, so if you review the state design, the state design is maintaining a 67 roughly 67 feet right away.	01:47:10
	In front of council members always house.	01:47:19
	Of the design is within the.	01:47:21
	That occurred right away, the cities right away, so the property line.	01:47:24
	So.	01:47:28
	Line of the that is owned by the city.	01:47:30
	Which is designated for roadways.	01:47:34
	The roadways.	01:47:36
	And the sidewalk. Excuse me, so the.	01:47:37
	The cryptocurb of the Rose.	01:47:40
	Park strip plus the trail.	01:47:41
	Is within.	01:47:43
	That line, so there's the only encroachment that would ever that would be done during the construction period.	01:47:44
	Where they were, they consider a construction easement, but.	01:47:49
	Would be to make the.	01:47:52
	Make the drainage work on both sides of the property to ensure.	01:47:56
	Water from the road doesn't go on to the neighboring property.	01:48:00
	That the water is actually coming off to the roadway where the stormwater should be.	01:48:03
	So typically.	01:48:07
	When you do railway construction.	01:48:08
	The only additional property. The additional property that is.	01:48:10
	Utilized is just to make those translation points work.	01:48:15
	To allow the to allow the drainage.	01:48:18
	But the the current design is being shown.	01:48:20
	For for council member hold away.	01:48:23
	Is all within the right, the right away of the city?	01:48:26
	We're looking at the engineering drawing here. Thank you.	01:48:29
	And we'll have.	01:48:31
	I'll be happy to show it to Councilman Holder. Yeah, and.	01:48:33
	And make sure they clarify that yes, Sir. And I'm I'm getting ready to send the e-mail with those attachments there to go through	01:48:36
	the through the council and council is going to be BCC down there. So there's not a.	01:48:40
	Issue of someone off.	01:48:45
	Mary, you're you're just on the 2.	01:48:47
	Thank you very much.	01:48:50
	Just the question I have seen.	01:48:52
	And maybe cash, you can speak to this. So on this smallness plan that I'm looking that you just sent me.	01:48:54
	Right here.	01:48:59
	Is the.	01:48:59
	Is the intent for this road.	01:49:01
	The same type of road to extend West of the.	01:49:03
	Roundabout.	01:49:06
	The same size of road to go West of the roundabout.	01:49:07
	When they come.	01:49:11
	So yeah, the.	01:49:15
	Yeah.	01:49:18
	Does it go?	01:49:28
	It's it just continues like this.	01:49:31
	This same thing, Yeah. So the. Yeah, there were.	01:49:34
	Text there.	01:49:36
	But it just goes right there. Yeah. The road section would continue, continue West of the roundabout.	01:49:38
	It does get slightly water. I believe that's mainly just to allow for partnerships and then of course running to a residential	01:49:44
	area.	01:49:47
	Then you get into the parking.	01:49:50
	Along streets, The main thing about.	01:49:52
	When we do roadway classifications, and again, this might just be.	01:49:55
	More of education for the public versus the council eyes. So forgive me Council, if you've heard it.	01:49:58
	Before but.	01:50:03
	Especially when we do these roads so.	01:50:04
	On the right.	01:50:06
	And with the classifications.	01:50:07
	Part of the classifications is.	01:50:09
	Part of the.	01:50:11
	Capacity of the volumes of the rows, but the other part of it too that we consider is for egress points.	01:50:13
	On the road, so I know my planner, my planning.	01:50:18
	Companions.	01:50:23
	They like to separate bike lanes with physically separate bike lanes.	01:50:25
	On the engineering public works side.	01:50:29
	It's obviously much more to maintain.	01:50:31
	But when it comes to emergency aggressors, and this is putting my military hat back on for.	01:50:34
	I used to do.	01:50:38
	Emergency Management and response.	01:50:39
	When it comes to emergency egresses.	01:50:42
	The less obstructions and roads AKA.	01:50:43
	Raised back, raised brave bike lanes.	01:50:45
	Allows for cars to exit out of the road.	01:50:49
	If the road is even, though the road might be striped.	01:50:52
	Two lanes with bike lanes, et cetera, et cetera.	01:50:54
	If you watch any hook in season 4 though.	01:50:58
	Everyone's taking all parts of the road.	01:51:01
	To do an egress if you if you look at that.	01:51:03
	You know, like most European countries on traffic during congested traffic are.	01:51:05
	You know 3-2 lane three line Rd. is like a 10 lane Rd.	01:51:10
	On that but.	01:51:14
	Those are the reasons why.	01:51:15
	Sometimes we as a city.	01:51:17
	We like to maintain.	01:51:19
	Eclair path.	01:51:21
	Of the egress for pavements, so there's no obstructions.	01:51:22
	And this this would provide for.	01:51:25
	Again, not having.	01:51:28
	Discussion with the.	01:51:29
	Sheriff's Office who maintains egress points.	01:51:31
	This will serve for not just the whole way feels the sleeper Ridge.	01:51:34
	As well as the developments up north.	01:51:38
	Or investing out their vineyard.	01:51:39
	On the on the circumstances that ever happens.	01:51:41
	We all hope doesn't.	01:51:46
	OK, awesome.	01:51:48
	Comments on this?	01:51:51
	I got a thumbs up.	01:51:54
	Comments from the.	01:51:59
	And they went out there OK, Sound good. Are we good with this?	01:52:00
	I know you can't remember, just trying to figure out a little bit.	01:52:05
	OK, so I think we.	01:52:09
	You will probably take this offline and we'll just take the.	01:52:12
	The planet you've got and I'll share them with Constant Holdaway and we'll talk about them and we'll and.	01:52:15
	Yeah, go from there.	01:52:20
	I don't know, I'll take the issues on.	01:52:25
	I'll need to go ahead and share the.	01:52:27
	The plans with Councilman Holdaway.	01:52:29
	And and make sure they align with what he's thinking.	01:52:32
	Sounds good.	01:52:35
	No, I like this. I I do like just.	01:52:36
	How this lines up and?	01:52:38
	Just keeping it.	01:52:40
	Just the same all the way down.	01:52:41
	Down the Main Street so.	01:52:44
	OK. All right.	01:52:46
	Let's see what is Do we have anything else on the agenda today?	01:52:48
	Is that it? OK.	01:52:52
	Anything. Anyone else have anything you want to?	01:52:54
	Talk about that.	01:52:57
	OK. Well, guys, thank you so much for coming. Appreciate it And.	01:52:59
	We got our marching orders. We'll get after it so.	01:53:04
	We are adjourned. Thank you. Hit the gavel.	01:53:06
	The gap doesn't count. There we go.	01:53:08