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We're out of pens. 00:09:15
Well they they have them on sale on Amazon for like you can buy like 100 for 10 bucks so. 00:09:18
All righty guys, welcome out to City Council meeting this evening. It is March 31st, 20266. Let's see, what is it? Is it 6:00? 00:09:26
Yep, 6:00 PM I'm Mayor Zach Stratton. 00:09:32
I'll be presiding in this meeting and. 00:09:39
We are going to jump right into the opening prayer and the pledge. I'm going to turn the time over to Ezra to lead us out in that. 00:09:41
Our Heavenly Father, we're grateful for the opportunity we have to. 00:09:56
Be here tonight to deliberate the needs of the city we're grateful for. 00:09:59
Thy hand in and all our dealings and. 00:10:04
We pray that though. 00:10:06
Would guide us in. 00:10:08
Thy spirit as we make decisions this evening. 00:10:10
We're grateful for. 00:10:13
Our government and the opportunity that we have to live in a free country, we're so grateful for. 00:10:15
Leadership at many levels and. 00:10:20
And pray for their their safety is. 00:10:22
They seek to help others. 00:10:26
We're grateful for. 00:10:28
This time, this evening, and say these things in the name of thy Son, Jesus Christ, Amen. Amen. 00:10:30
What you say? 00:10:38
Please join me in the Pledge of Allegiance. 00:10:41
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. 00:10:43
And to the Republic for which it stands. 00:10:47
One nation under God. 00:10:50
Indivisible with liberty and justice for all. 00:10:52
Thank you. Thank you. 00:10:56
All right, you made it. 00:10:57
And you're not even wearing a hat today. 00:11:00
You do have your hat, OK. 00:11:02
All righty. 00:11:05
We are going to start off the meeting this evening by doing a public hearing to amend the consolidated fee schedule for the tough 00:11:08
transportation utility fee. 00:11:12
And Vineyard days. 00:11:17
Do we need a motion to go into a public hearing or can we just go straight into this? 00:11:19
We do. I yeah, I believe so. Moved. 00:11:25
Do I have a second? 00:11:27
Second, awesome. All in favor. 00:11:28
Aye, OK. Motion passes. 00:11:31
Alrighty, let's turn the time over to anyone in the public who would like to to talk about. 00:11:34
This amendment to the consolidated fee schedule. 00:11:40
Please come on down. 00:11:45
Do us. 00:11:47
Go ahead. 00:11:49
Yeah, should we? Yeah, let's talk about what the change, Yes, let's do context for. Thank you so much so. 00:11:51
OK, we we good. Do you want to kind of go over the the the proposed changes DK of the? 00:12:02
Of the. 00:12:07
Consolidated fee schedule and the Vineyard days. 00:12:09
Yes, I can do that. Thank you, Sir. OK. 00:12:12
OK. So it's proposed that. 00:12:16
We changed the Vineyard Day vendors. 00:12:19
Move the maximum fee for vendors from $100 to $200. 00:12:24
Car show participants, which is a new. 00:12:30
Event. 00:12:35
Or 4 Vineyard dates charge $10 per participant. 00:12:36
We have also a new. 00:12:42
Addition to the Vineyard Days parade, which is a motorized participant. 00:12:46
Business and that's $100. 00:12:50
I also and I failed to skipped over one page. 00:12:54
OK Umm. Uh. 00:12:57
Which is the first part of the. 00:13:00
Transportation. Should I? I'll just continue so Page 1. 00:13:01
Sorry, it was printed front and back and I didn't notice. 00:13:05
So transportation utility fee the proposal is to eliminate the transportation. 00:13:08
Utility fee. 00:13:15
Take it to $0.00. 00:13:16
Per Eru. 00:13:18
Back going back to Vineyard days, the proposal is. 00:13:23
To charge motorized. 00:13:26
Parade participants. Nonprofits. 00:13:28
$50. 00:13:32
And motorized parade participants from schools $25. 00:13:33
Let me make sure I. 00:13:39
Got all that? 00:13:41
Yes. 00:13:41
So those are the proposed changes. OK, awesome. Thank you so much. 00:13:42
Any discussion from council on that before we open up for public comment? 00:13:46
Just to make sure resident the residential fees removed as long as along with the business residential and business fees. 00:13:51
They're all removed. 00:13:58
Yeah, OK. 00:14:00
Awesome. 00:14:01
Yes, please. Come on down. 00:14:02
Daria Evans, Vineyard resident also Villas resident. I just want to. 00:14:08
Clarify what I just heard. 00:14:13
Are we? 00:14:15
Making it now that there is no. 00:14:16
Tough no transportation utility fee for residents and businesses. 00:14:19
This is. 00:14:25
In perpetuity. 00:14:26
No, no fee for. 00:14:29
Road maintenance. 00:14:32
What are we just going to? 00:14:34
Rely on B&C Class Rd. funds. 00:14:37
To maintain our roads throughout the city. 00:14:39
That's that's a great question. Thank you so much for that. So. 00:14:44
And also I just want to ask. 00:14:48
To go along with that. 00:14:50
How many businesses were affected by the? 00:14:51
Greater amount. 00:14:55
Based on the square footage, how many really were? 00:14:57
In a world of hurt. 00:15:00
Because of that. 00:15:01
Sure. And. 00:15:02
Yeah. I just want to know how we're going to fund Rd. maintenance if we are just going to $0.00. Thank you so much. 00:15:05
Parker, you really dug into this. Do you want to respond to that or do you want me to? 00:15:11
Yes, I would be happy to. 00:15:15
Although I don't have any fancy comments prepared so we're going off the cuff. There we go. 00:15:18
So. 00:15:25
I have been an advocate for removing the transportation utility fee. 00:15:26
Since the day I learned it was enacted. 00:15:30
There I'm going to address both your questions, but just to share the context really quickly. 00:15:34
After those first. 00:15:39
Businesses receive their utility bills. 00:15:41
And word started coming out about it. 00:15:44
Obviously there were some really big egregious ones and that would be most of the ones that were 1600 N area or larger. 00:15:48
Like the megaplex was like $7000 a month. 00:15:54
Which? 00:15:59
Those kind of fees, I think one are egregious and not representative of the actual. 00:16:00
Problem they were trying to solve. 00:16:05
The as you saw in the work sessions and the council meetings where we had the. 00:16:07
Civil engineering firm. 00:16:13
And the contractors that. 00:16:15
Did the studies come out on that? 00:16:16
The root cause of the road damage is. 00:16:19
The Heavy. 00:16:22
Construction vehicles, trucks using the roads and putting wear on them. 00:16:23
One of the things that I felt was. 00:16:28
Most egregious about this was. 00:16:30
For example that one that went. 00:16:32
Pretty viral on Facebook. The $5000 fee that was the same as their lease. 00:16:34
Previously. 00:16:39
Those people use 900 feet. 00:16:41
Of vineyards, roads. 00:16:44
I mean from entering Vineyard to their place of work. 00:16:46
And it's all residential. I mean residential vehicles like cars, commuter traffic. 00:16:49
That's not. 00:16:55
Reflective. 00:16:56
Of an appropriately structured fee in my opinion. 00:16:58
The second aspect of that is that it's not a friendly. 00:17:01
Tool to use to incentivize business and where we know we have. 00:17:06
Huge. 00:17:10
Pains and issues with the residency when it comes to property taxes and we have to build and bolster our sales tax to alleviate 00:17:11
that burden. 00:17:15
We have to make Vineyard as friendly as possible for more businesses to come into Vineyard. 00:17:18
And so removing the transportation utility fee, I think aids in that. 00:17:23
It wasn't just. 00:17:27
Large businesses, though, that were. 00:17:28
Affected by that, by the square footage I mean. 00:17:30
For example, I reached out to. 00:17:33
The yard development where we have the strip mall or those. 00:17:35
Like the restaurants over there you got? 00:17:40
Mopeds, Little Caesars, The chiropractic office. 00:17:42
Some of those. 00:17:46
Businesses have already gone. 00:17:47
Out of Vineyard because of fees that were associated. 00:17:49
Not just with the city, but with that developments and their common. 00:17:51
Area usage fees. 00:17:55
So adding the tough on top of it. 00:17:57
All of those. 00:17:59
I shouldn't say all because I didn't talk to all of them. 00:18:01
All of the ones that I spoke with said when our leases up were out of this fee stays. 00:18:03
So there was no. 00:18:08
Chance. 00:18:10
That. 00:18:11
The studies conducted on these fees. 00:18:12
We're actually going to generate the revenue that they said that they were going to generate. 00:18:14
Because every single one of those businesses intended to leave. 00:18:19
When they started getting the additional bills. 00:18:22
So I think that this is 1 and important step. 00:18:25
In making Vineyard more business friendly. 00:18:28
Two to answer your questions more specifically. 00:18:31
As we dig into the budget and we look at. 00:18:34
Where we have levers to pull and how we can. 00:18:36
Balance this. 00:18:39
I'll just be very upfront. I'm operating from the perspective. 00:18:40
That. 00:18:44
We don't have a. 00:18:45
Revenue problem. 00:18:48
Or a tax problem. 00:18:49
We have a spending problem. 00:18:51
We need to cut the spending. 00:18:53
In line with what revenues we can generate in a reasonable manner. 00:18:56
So when we look at how we're going to fund. 00:19:00
The roads, there's some additional levers that we can pull one. 00:19:02
If we get the rest of our expenses in check and I think that we're pretty much on track to see. 00:19:05
About a 15% reduction in our overall. 00:19:10
Spend from last year's. 00:19:13
Fiscal year budget. 00:19:15
If we can actually achieve that, that frees up a lot of money to help with the road maintenance. 00:19:17
Additionally. 00:19:21
I've reached out to our RDA director about this. 00:19:22
A couple months ago and I've talked to some of our. 00:19:26
Administrative staff and finance director about can we use? 00:19:28
RDA monies. 00:19:32
To maintain or build the infrastructure that is still active in the RDA and to my understanding, we can use. 00:19:34
Some of those monies for some of those things under certain. 00:19:43
Purposes and guidances. 00:19:45
I'm not the legal expert on that, so I'm going to not comment too in depth on it just because I don't necessarily have the best 00:19:47
understanding of where those nuances lie. 00:19:51
But it seems that we're actually, I think, in a position where we can leverage a lot of that stuff that hasn't been done 00:19:57
previously to alleviate some of this burden. 00:20:00
I think with a structured approach like that. 00:20:06
And also. 00:20:09
You know, kind of cutting where our. 00:20:10
Frivolous, more frivolous expenses are across the budget as a whole will be in a position to cover the expenses. Now, that's not 00:20:12
to say that it's going to be. 00:20:17
Easy. 00:20:21
And maybe the road quality will be a little bit worse. 00:20:23
But I would much rather. 00:20:26
Deal with a slightly bumpy Rd. on occasion. 00:20:28
Then continually tax ourselves out of prosperity. 00:20:32
I hope that all made sense. 00:20:37
Thank you, Parker. 00:20:39
Any other comments? 00:20:40
On this from Council. 00:20:43
Kim, please come on up, Sir. Thank you. 00:20:45
That was loud. 00:20:52
Yeah, I heard the. 00:20:56
The comments about heavy duty vehicles, those primarily that are working in subdivisions that are being developed or projects that 00:20:57
are being developed. 00:21:00
But I didn't hear anything about. 00:21:04
Them bearing any kind of. 00:21:06
Cost in association with that. 00:21:07
Wear and tear that they're putting on the roads when the rest of us are barely touching it. 00:21:10
May I? 00:21:14
Please go ahead. Yes, so. 00:21:15
Those development agreements. 00:21:18
Are all largely in place, so the transportation utility fee isn't something that we can use. 00:21:21
Directly to. 00:21:26
Better address that issue. 00:21:30
So we need to look at another Ave. to do that and that's I think part of why. 00:21:32
We've had the discussions both. 00:21:36
In public, and I know that the mayor's been working on this as well. 00:21:38
Renegotiating the impact fees and the agreements that we're having with. 00:21:41
The developers that are active in Vineyard and putting that wear on the infrastructure. 00:21:46
Because we. 00:21:50
I mean, ultimately. 00:21:51
Even if those impact fees don't directly fund. 00:21:52
The road maintenance. 00:21:55
What they do do is alleviate a financial burden somewhere else that allows us to use the general fund then to. 00:21:57
Cover down on the road maintenance. 00:22:02
Thank you. 00:22:05
Any other comments? 00:22:07
Counsel. 00:22:10
OK. 00:22:12
I would just echo the. 00:22:14
The mayor's done a phenomenal job. 00:22:15
Shrinking the size of our government. I know he'll have further. 00:22:19
Information on that in terms of what he's going to request in the upcoming annual budget? 00:22:22
And I know the. 00:22:26
The reorganization has been. 00:22:27
Extremely successful in that and we always increase in revenue, I mean anywhere between 800,000 and a million and if you look at 00:22:29
the cost reductions. 00:22:34
That the mayor has done. I feel confident how it comes together is going to be Parker, you know, putting it together and if he's 00:22:39
got confidence to be able to make it happen. I the numbers are there. 00:22:43
And there's further cuts that we think we could make. 00:22:48
And I just think looking at the. 00:22:53
What they're thinking about doing? It's possible. 00:22:56
And I would rather and same thing. 00:22:59
You can look up and down. 00:23:01
A Geneva road and everyone's chosen the other side of the road. 00:23:03
And they looked at the current landscape and for us to go at a tough. 00:23:08
It's like, wow, they already weren't picking us so. 00:23:13
Piling it on. 00:23:16
We've got to be more competitive to get them to our side of Geneva Rd. so. 00:23:17
Thank you. 00:23:23
Any other comments? 00:23:23
Councilman Nair, yes, I do have. 00:23:26
Quite a few. 00:23:28
Do we want to close the public hearing first? Do we have anyone else from the public who wants to? Yeah. Do we have anyone else? 00:23:30
Yeah, we could, but. 00:23:40
Yeah, yeah. 00:23:42
The reason I asked is I know it's going to be on here later as a as a business item where we can do that. But if we're in the 00:23:43
public hearing and we're already talking about it, can we just continue the conversation And that way if somebody has a question 00:23:48
when it comes up, they can just come participate still? Sure, sure. I would like this to be as open to the public as possible. 00:23:53
Yeah, for sure. Yeah. 00:23:58
So. 00:24:02
I did not vote for this when this was adopted late last year. 00:24:04
Primarily because at the time. 00:24:09
I was still kind of vying to be. This was my very first meeting where this was adopted and. 00:24:12
I had read through a lot, but I hadn't had. 00:24:16
Enough time to dig into the actual study of the transportation utility fee. 00:24:18
And. 00:24:22
Just from first glance it looked. 00:24:24
Excessive. 00:24:26
Mostly because of the structure of it. 00:24:28
For residents, we had a nice flat rate for businesses that kind of scaled based on size. 00:24:31
And. 00:24:36
I know there was some urgency. Based on what? 00:24:38
Some of the members of the state legislature were pushing that. 00:24:40
Basically required certain. 00:24:44
Certain activities that happen before implementing a fee. 00:24:47
To to make sure that those fees directly tied to the impacts. 00:24:52
That businesses or residents had on the roads. 00:24:58
So. So with that, I chose not to vote for that. 00:25:01
But I am concerned. 00:25:06
With getting rid of it entirely. 00:25:09
I know the business. 00:25:11
Communities, it's too high. 00:25:13
This structure, like I said before, is. It's not. 00:25:15
Relevant to where it's not directly correlated with the impact that they have on the road. So I do, I do want to. 00:25:18
Significantly lower that. 00:25:26
But I am concerned about our budget. 00:25:29
I know. 00:25:32
We've identified areas to. 00:25:34
Provide some reductions, but I haven't yet seen. 00:25:36
The 1:00 to 1:00. 00:25:39
Cuts equalling. 00:25:42
Things that we are. 00:25:45
Going to be able to do to reduce our. 00:25:47
Our revenue as well. 00:25:49
My main concerns with that on the transportation utility fee are. 00:25:52
That. 00:25:56
Road maintenance is. 00:25:59
A lot cheaper than Rd. rebuilding. 00:26:00
It's not just about having a worse quality of life, but it's about. 00:26:03
Putting a greater burden on our future. 00:26:07
By delaying. 00:26:11
Routine maintenance if there are any routine maintenance. 00:26:12
Things that get ignored because of our inability to fund this. 00:26:18
It will cost us five times more. 00:26:22
To rebuild in the future rather than. 00:26:25
Trying to. 00:26:27
To smooth out that curve and and focus on maintenance. 00:26:28
I do think there's room in between to to have a reasonable fee. 00:26:32
Much much lower like. 00:26:36
Talking 10X lower. 00:26:37
On businesses than. 00:26:39
What we've been charging and that more of a. 00:26:41
A flat rate would be well, but. 00:26:44
I I recognize that if we remove this entirely. 00:26:46
Reinstating it would. 00:26:50
Require us to follow. 00:26:53
That entirely new study process at the states outlined. 00:26:54
For doing something like this so. 00:26:58
I just want to. 00:27:00
Make sure. 00:27:02
That, uh. 00:27:03
Whatever it is that we do here. 00:27:05
Is directly correlated with. 00:27:07
Reductions to the budget and actually looking at the numbers and saying. 00:27:09
Here's how much revenue we're going to lower. 00:27:13
Here's how much expenditures we're going to lower. 00:27:16
And short of having. 00:27:18
A more in depth analysis on that. 00:27:21
I just don't feel prepared to. 00:27:23
Completely eliminated, but I would like to propose a significant reduction of it. 00:27:26
And instead of having. 00:27:31
A per KSF. Just switching that to a. 00:27:32
Flat rate per month. 00:27:36
Something that. 00:27:40
We previously brought up, and I'm not necessarily advocating for this, but I'd like to just maybe get the. 00:27:42
Conversation around it. 00:27:47
Was that when somebody. 00:27:49
Files for a business license. 00:27:51
Or reapplies for a business license that the fee would be built into the business license. 00:27:53
Could I just maybe collect some? 00:27:58
Feedback or thoughts on that as opposed to it being a monthly? 00:28:00
Utility fee. 00:28:04
There seem to be a lot of people, or a lot of. 00:28:09
Draws on that possible. 00:28:12
Business License. 00:28:14
We talked about that as a way to help us with the overpopulation. 00:28:15
Over occupancy area. Sorry. 00:28:19
Of and so. 00:28:22
If we layers. 00:28:23
If we layer lots and lots of fees on top of the business license unless it becomes unwieldy. 00:28:24
Out of curiosity, just a second and 3rd order effect here that I don't think we previously considered, but I'm glad you just 00:28:29
brought it up, David. 00:28:33
Is there's been discussion about us creating a? 00:28:37
Essentially the requirement for if you. 00:28:41
Have a rental unit in Vineyard? You get a business license for that. 00:28:43
In doing that, you now set yourself up for the. 00:28:47
Business transportation utility fee as well. 00:28:50
So we already are layering on. 00:28:55
More and more and more, it's just where they. 00:28:58
Getting from now. I'm not an advocate for keeping the transportation utility fee at all. 00:29:00
My theory is. 00:29:06
OK, for example, let's take the forge. 00:29:10
Right, we know we're struggling to get. 00:29:13
An entertainment anchor. 00:29:16
In the forge, right? 00:29:17
If we look at. 00:29:19
Topgolf. 00:29:22
Or we look at. 00:29:23
Megaplex. 00:29:25
What are? 00:29:27
And I apologize because I know Evan's not here, so we're not going to have the exact answer. 00:29:29
But how much sales tax revenue do they generate for the city each year? 00:29:33
And if we think about it in terms of that. 00:29:38
Right, I think Evan sent an e-mail earlier today. 00:29:40
To all of us. 00:29:43
That specified, you know, the transportation utility fee. 00:29:44
For the remainder of this year, the projection was something like. 00:29:47
$525,000 or maybe $600,000, but in that range. 00:29:50
My theory is. 00:29:56
You make more money. 00:29:58
If you can actually become more business friendly. 00:29:59
And you can land somebody that's going to generate significant revenue in the city in such a way that we. 00:30:02
Benefit from the tax dollars, the sales tax revenue more so than the tough. 00:30:08
And so my thought is, how can we? 00:30:12
Get the fees out of the way. 00:30:15
So that we can incentivize business to actually come here and actually grow. 00:30:17
That revenue source? 00:30:22
I'm sorry. 00:30:26
Well, Chip, would you like to just while you come up, what would be your thoughts on? Oh, yeah, come on up, Come on up, Chip. 00:30:27
What would be your thoughts on? 00:30:33
It sounds like. 00:30:35
The business. 00:30:36
I mean, the business is my biggest concern. 00:30:37
Yeah, umm. 00:30:39
With the residential units for example. 00:30:40
If you have. 00:30:43
A rental unit. 00:30:44
Then both the homeowner and the rental each pay that fee and so it kind of balances out the. 00:30:46
The impact on the roads. 00:30:52
Rather than. 00:30:54
Just looking at property taxes, which. 00:30:55
You know you're just looking at the home value. 00:30:58
So what about? 00:31:00
Potentially. 00:31:02
Eliminating the business fee. 00:31:03
To recognize that. 00:31:04
You know, we want businesses to come in, but. 00:31:06
Still maintaining the residential. 00:31:09
I can recognize the logic there. I am not a huge fan of keeping. 00:31:12
More fees on the residents, I mean we already. 00:31:18
By a significant margin have. 00:31:21
High property taxes and fees across the board. 00:31:23
I mean just in the last. 00:31:26
Two years we've seen. 00:31:27
The property tax go up, we've seen the water rates go up, we saw the sewer rate go up like. 00:31:28
It's at some point. 00:31:33
The government has to acknowledge the fact that we are outspending what we can. 00:31:36
Continually generating revenue and we have to curtail the spend. 00:31:41
And I'm. 00:31:46
Fine to like on that that approach I'm fine to. 00:31:47
Eliminate fees to reduce taxes. 00:31:50
Once we've. 00:31:53
Definitively identify those things, that's what. 00:31:55
I want to make sure we're not. 00:31:57
Putting the cart before the horse on. 00:31:59
Cutting our. 00:32:01
Revenue before we've cut our spending, sure. 00:32:02
So chip could chip please chip price Providence one of the things that I really that. 00:32:04
Really. Kind of. 00:32:10
Gets in my craw about. 00:32:11
About. 00:32:13
Fees is that? 00:32:14
This is just a normal, another form of taxation. 00:32:15
And if you guys are not getting to a place where you've you've already maxed out your tax bracket. 00:32:18
That you can legally. 00:32:24
Put upon the people of Vineyard. 00:32:26
If you're at that. 00:32:28
Max bracket. That means that you guys are doing it wrong. 00:32:29
Right. You should be able to run this city and provide your services and not have. 00:32:33
To have big spending problems if you have maxed out your credit card. 00:32:38
US where your credit card. 00:32:44
Right. 00:32:45
If you guys keep. 00:32:47
The environment at a place where it is nominal and and functional, then you're going to draw in people that are going to. 00:32:49
Backfill. 00:32:56
That deficit that you have. 00:32:57
And so. 00:32:59
My biggest concern and my biggest problem is that once you put it. 00:33:00
Tax or a fee in place? 00:33:04
They're there. Very, very few times does the government come in and say, you know what? 00:33:06
We filled our coffers. It's time. We're going to turn this off. That doesn't happen. 00:33:13
Because they're like. 00:33:17
What for? We can continue to use this for this other project I have? 00:33:18
Biggest problem with government? 00:33:22
So if you guys can find a way to make it so that you guys are drawing in business and drawing in people. 00:33:24
You get more of us moving into Vineyard, you get more people moving. 00:33:29
Their businesses. 00:33:33
UVU actually wants to put their stuff here. 00:33:34
All that stuff is going to generate exactly what you're looking for, so maybe putting a Band-Aid on it. 00:33:37
Not a bad idea. 00:33:42
Let's just get through the next. 00:33:43
10 years and. 00:33:45
Maybe your tax base will be there. 00:33:47
Thank you. 00:33:50
Any other comments? 00:33:52
Discussion from Council. 00:33:54
Thank you for that comment, I really appreciate that the the long term view has always been. 00:33:57
Key. In my mind I do. 00:34:02
I am. 00:34:05
I made this promise as I was running that Vineyard would have. 00:34:08
The uh. 00:34:11
Lowest property taxes in 20 years. 00:34:13
And. 00:34:16
Depending on the decisions that are made over the next 20 years, that can absolutely happen. 00:34:18
I'm confident we can provide the absolute best services. 00:34:22
While maintaining the lowest taxes as we continue to grow and and see those economic benefits come in. 00:34:25
And so. 00:34:31
I just want to make sure that along the process. 00:34:32
We're not setting ourselves up by. 00:34:34
You know, not maintaining. 00:34:37
Our road for a dollar now. 00:34:39
That we have to pay those, those 5 dollars, $10 expenses down the road on that long term curve so as long as we can. 00:34:41
Identify that I'm absolutely supportive of getting rid of these fees. 00:34:48
I do know it is a goal of this council as well to to cut taxes significantly. 00:34:52
And so I want to make sure that. 00:34:57
If we're going to. 00:34:58
Start pulling levers. Let's make sure we're. 00:35:00
Not pulling all of them off at the same time. 00:35:03
If if we do need them to maintain. 00:35:06
One thing I don't want to do is. 00:35:08
Just to deficit spend without any. 00:35:10
Certain structure. I mean, if we've got. 00:35:13
A structure laid out for the next three years of hey, we have a plan to spend it to our reserves. 00:35:16
These years. 00:35:21
Recognizing that our goal is to continue to get more businesses, continue to get more sales tax growth. 00:35:23
That's something I could get behind, but. 00:35:29
Just as long as the plan is there, essentially. 00:35:32
I'm super supportive of. 00:35:36
Turning the lever off right now, I think for the businesses, it makes a ton of sense to turn that lever off right now. 00:35:39
But anyway, those are. 00:35:45
Thanks for that are my thoughts. 00:35:47
On transportation utility fee only. 00:35:48
There was something in here about giving the mayor authority to. 00:35:53
Reduce fees and I just wanted to talk about what. 00:35:57
What that? 00:36:00
Was for or. 00:36:02
If we think that's a good idea. 00:36:05
I suspect that that is it's just in the language of the past hearing, but it's not weirdly written. I think that that is probably 00:36:07
just referencing. 00:36:11
That we're talking about. 00:36:16
In the business item, having a resolution to amend the fee schedule. 00:36:18
OK. Does that mean that? 00:36:22
You're going to null and void the last month of everyone's. 00:36:24
So the thought behind this so as our code. 00:36:27
Currently states. 00:36:31
So tomorrow morning. 00:36:33
If we don't act. 00:36:35
So we kind of got behind the 8 ball on this. 00:36:36
Utility bills go out tomorrow morning, April 1st. 00:36:39
Right Wednesday, Thursday. Thursday. 00:36:43
So how how the code currently sits is and if we wanted to reduce that, if we just if I just wanted to say OK. 00:36:45
Listen when we need. 00:36:53
Throttle this down to a dollar a door. 00:36:54
Right. Currently that leverage, I can't pull that lever, so we have to come in here. So we kind of earned this little boondoggle 00:36:56
of the situation where it's. 00:37:00
Where? 00:37:04
The intent is. 00:37:05
Obviously not to chase off our businesses, right? And I'm concerned if this goes much further. 00:37:08
The it's it's getting pretty ugly. 00:37:14
For a lot of companies out there. 00:37:17
So this would allow us. 00:37:20
To do that, I'm sorry. Go ahead if this resolution passes. 00:37:23
That that goes away, correct the the bills. There's no need then for any other additional power to lower fees. 00:37:26
That's not required. So do you want me to address this resolution? Sure, please. So. 00:37:33
As we were unpacking all the. 00:37:38
Fun of the tough. 00:37:42
We also. 00:37:43
Were finding frustrations. 00:37:44
With trying to. 00:37:46
Established fees for Vineyard days. 00:37:50
Because. 00:37:52
And you know. 00:37:53
We wanted the ability to say, OK, well, maybe we'd. 00:37:55
Don't want to charge? Let's say a particular like. 00:38:00
And city. 00:38:03
Recognized nonprofit like the Heritage Foundation, maybe we don't want to charge them for. 00:38:06
Parade entry. 00:38:12
We wouldn't have the option to not charge them. 00:38:13
Under the fee schedule. 00:38:17
Because the fee schedule is set. 00:38:18
So. So it gave us no flexibility. 00:38:20
And the mayor had no power to adjust the fee schedule. And so we thought, well. 00:38:24
This may be the fee schedule. 00:38:29
Can be the maximum. 00:38:31
The city can charge for fees. 00:38:33
And then we. 00:38:35
The mayor was given the authority to be able to make. 00:38:36
Adjustments downwards that would. 00:38:44
Be appropriate. 00:38:46
Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah. 00:38:47
Yeah, that makes sense. I would just. 00:38:50
Want to disagree with that approach and. 00:38:53
Keep it as. 00:38:56
Either the Council creates a policy. 00:38:57
Where we identify exactly what will. 00:38:59
Consider lowering fees for. 00:39:02
Just so that the mayor doesn't. 00:39:04
I mean if we if we in theory. 00:39:06
Just told the mayor you can lower fees as much as you want. Everybody's going to be banging down his door. 00:39:09
Saying to lower his fees. 00:39:13
Rather than kind of bringing it to a public process and. 00:39:16
Saying that this is. 00:39:19
A decision of the. 00:39:20
The whole to. 00:39:22
To reduce a fee in any given circumstance. 00:39:23
I think we we could easily create a policy that identifies, hey, what kind of operations do we want to? 00:39:25
Lower fees for but. 00:39:31
I would just have concerns with. 00:39:32
Not having that. 00:39:35
Come to the Council. 00:39:36
So there are already. 00:39:38
Circumstances that are in current code. 00:39:42
Where the mayor can reduce fees. 00:39:44
And that's for fines. 00:39:47
Well, I think that's what Ezra is bringing up, is that we should just. 00:39:49
Write a policy in code that actually specifies when that can be done. 00:39:52
Versus just giving him blanket authority. 00:39:57
OK. I think if our legal counsel were here, he would. 00:39:59
Advise us that once we give. 00:40:03
Away a power to the somebody it's impossible to get back correct. 00:40:05
I think he is here. Is he on the mic? He was on the call. He was not here. 00:40:10
Carol, any other comments on this? 00:40:16
Alrighty, I will. 00:40:20
Entertain a motion to leave the public hearing. 00:40:24
So moved. 00:40:27
Do I have a second? 00:40:29
2nd. 00:40:30
All in favor. 00:40:31
Aye. 00:40:32
Awesome motion. 00:40:33
Passes. OK, let's jump down to 5 #5. 00:40:34
Mayor and council members disclosures and recusals. Do I have any? 00:40:39
Any disclosures? 00:40:44
So that is going to be that is. 00:40:47
On that is 8.8 weight .1. It's on the back David. 00:40:50
8.1. 00:40:56
What's that awesome? 00:40:58
OK. Any disclosures from the Council? 00:41:03
OK, I made a joke. 00:41:08
Just so that everyone can be clued in on the joke, I told Jacob Hold away that he needs to disclose all the ways he is financially 00:41:10
benefiting from 400 S right now. 00:41:14
Yeah. So I'll take the time since the emails have been coming in. 00:41:19
I live at 392 hold away Hold Away road and I purchased my home. 00:41:23
Well, after the right of way was purchased. 00:41:28
And so. 00:41:32
The uh. 00:41:34
I am not gaining financially either way on the road being widened or not widening and the. 00:41:35
Right of way will stay the same. 00:41:42
And I believe in both plans, the traffic. 00:41:45
Is not changed in both situations, the speed limit stays the same. 00:41:47
In both situations and the traffic and the bike lanes are still provided in. 00:41:53
Both situations so. 00:41:58
And it's kind of a. 00:42:01
Unfortunate. Umm. 00:42:03
The property and. 00:42:05
In uh. 00:42:06
Affected is my father's property. 00:42:09
And you know, my dad was the first to set up stand up for Wakara Way. 00:42:11
And put forth a donation of 1/4 mile of. 00:42:18
Easement to make that trail happen. 00:42:22
And I know it yet hasn't happened. 00:42:25
But to be to get bombarded with emails that my dad is trying to profit off of this. 00:42:28
There is. 00:42:34
3 competing master plan. 00:42:35
Projects that do not line up. 00:42:37
For those that don't know, so. 00:42:40
The east of my house. 00:42:42
Where the Rileys and the Fernandez don't or not Fernandez? 00:42:44
The. 00:42:49
Does not line up. 00:42:51
With uh. 00:42:53
My side of the road. 00:42:53
And so having them line up with two completely different master plans is the purpose. 00:42:55
We do not own the right of way on my father's property as a city and when this came up in October and November I recused myself 00:43:02
from and there was no official vote, but if there would have been. 00:43:08
To purchase that or not purchase that. 00:43:13
On that specific issue I would have recused myself, but it never got to. 00:43:16
Eminent domain. 00:43:22
I can promise that if it does come to eminent domain. 00:43:24
That I wouldn't vote on that specific issue. 00:43:26
But I ran on making 400 N or 400 S safe and I would 100% vote. 00:43:29
And I ran on that. So anyway, just. 00:43:36
Full disclosure, I don't make any money on that so. 00:43:39
Thank you, Jake. 00:43:41
Any anyone else from council? 00:43:42
OK, hearing none, we will move to the public comment. 00:43:46
Tony, did we get? Do you have the? 00:43:50
Anyone like to? 00:43:53
Public comment. 00:43:55
Participate in that. 00:43:57
Come on up, Daria. 00:43:58
Again, Daria Evans, Dulles Vineyard resident. 00:44:09
I just want to. 00:44:12
Thank all the residents of Vineyard. 00:44:15
Who have participated in? 00:44:17
The donations for the library. 00:44:20
Getting into that $750? 00:44:23
Raised amount. 00:44:26
To help the library, we have a great community. 00:44:27
And I'm just. 00:44:30
Really thrilled we had those donations. 00:44:31
I would like to speak about a couple of agenda items later. 00:44:34
On resolution 26. 00:44:39
Dash 19 and also Operation Shield, if I have that opportunity. Thank you. Thanks, Daria. Thanks, Daria. 00:44:41
We got David Pierce. 00:44:49
David. 00:44:51
David Pierce from the Cascade neighborhood. 00:44:54
Having participated in. 00:44:57
That library fundraising event? 00:45:00
I gotta say it was wonderful. 00:45:03
To have the community come together like that. 00:45:05
Our house was one of the drop off point. 00:45:08
For donations. 00:45:11
And we were swamped. 00:45:13
So it was. 00:45:15
It was wonderful. 00:45:16
To be part of that. 00:45:18
I also have. 00:45:21
Some comment that I want to make. 00:45:22
On. 00:45:24
Resolutions that are coming up. 00:45:25
So. 00:45:28
And I. 00:45:31
I just want to let you know that like. 00:45:33
I. 00:45:40
I want to make a comment that I did if I can about please earlier. 00:45:43
Issue. 00:45:49
And that is the fee schedule. 00:45:50
I agree with. 00:45:52
With. 00:45:54
Councilman Larae's comment. 00:45:56
Once a legislative body gives up power and authority. 00:45:58
It's difficult to get it back. 00:46:04
And when you give up authority? 00:46:06
You give up. 00:46:10
Our voice. 00:46:11
As citizens. 00:46:12
So you shut us out. 00:46:15
Of that discussion. 00:46:16
That may deal with funding. 00:46:18
Taxes and fees. 00:46:20
Thank you. 00:46:22
Thanks, David. 00:46:23
OK. 00:46:25
Seen no other public. 00:46:27
Crystal, come on up. 00:46:29
Is anyone else? 00:46:31
After crystal, OK. 00:46:33
Crystal, price, Providence. I'm just wondering where we're at. 00:46:35
On transferring the HOA. 00:46:38
To the citizens. 00:46:41
The water's. 00:46:43
It's been 8 years and I believe flagship is built out. 00:46:46
That's all. 00:46:51
Thank you. Are we allowed to? 00:46:52
Say, could we add that to a? 00:46:55
A few further. 00:46:57
Agenda item that has come up so many times. 00:46:59
The the state has just created an HOA. 00:47:03
Protection Task Force. 00:47:06
It's a new department that and like there are. 00:47:08
So many drink. 00:47:11
That at least 20-30 times that they say. 00:47:13
In our. 00:47:16
Contract and maybe just direct our attorney to look into this base to describe it. Jesse, it's. 00:47:18
Usually an HOA has some sort of percentage point. 00:47:24
50%, Seventy percent, 80% built out. 00:47:27
And what it's done is it's like. 00:47:30
Daisy chained from one development to the next development and then they've had like 5 or 6. 00:47:32
And obviously this is a private organization, but like. 00:47:36
It has yet to be turned over and I believe they've then connected it to Utah City like. 00:47:40
It's one in the same now with Utah City and it's like. 00:47:45
So just looking into that like. 00:47:49
As a city, do we have legalities to get into that? Does the state, do we direct them to the state? 00:47:51
And if so. 00:47:56
Could we bring it to a? 00:47:57
A future. 00:47:59
Working session to get to the bottom of it. 00:48:01
Sure. 00:48:04
Legally, yeah. 00:48:05
We're gonna comment as well. Jacob would. Yeah, I was just gonna say I received a lot of complaints as well, and I believe I'm 00:48:05
referring to Water's Edge. 00:48:08
I think that it is built out so we. 00:48:11
I support being on a. 00:48:15
Would you take the assignment to? 00:48:16
Reach out to Jesse and just get Yeah, well, since this is HOA, can we leave it with Jacob? Yeah, let's not. That's me, but sure, 00:48:18
let's do that. We reach out to Jesse, kind of. Let's get to the. 00:48:22
Start digging into that So we'll start looking into it. That is the first time I've heard about it. 00:48:26
I've heard plenty of 400 S issues right? Too much? 00:48:31
Thank you. 00:48:37
Yeah, OK, awesome. I just, you know, I say stupid things because if I say stupid things then I'll it won't be so stupid later when 00:48:37
I learn from them. 00:48:41
Could the residents? 00:48:46
Collect 75% signatures in their neighborhood to secede. 00:48:49
From the HOA. 00:48:53
I'll second that. 00:48:55
Do I have to call that to a vote since it's been David, I mean motion. It's just, you know, the question for legal, we need to 00:49:01
collect information from Mr. Riddle because. 00:49:06
Right now as I understand it right the code. 00:49:11
So it was a joke, but I mean, there's some logic behind it. 00:49:13
Our city code says if. 00:49:16
Citizens want to initiate. 00:49:18
Something for their neighborhood or their their. 00:49:20
Community. 00:49:23
That it needs to go to a 75%. 00:49:24
Signatures for residents in that community and if you hit that threshold. 00:49:26
Then the Council has a significant reason to. 00:49:30
Perform an action. Yeah. So I I don't know, I mean, I know there's the HOA protection law, but I would just be curious and. 00:49:32
Can you actually? 00:49:38
As a collective. 00:49:41
Leave the HOA, we'll have Jacob. I would just make a note of that. I would just say the property owners are private entities in 00:49:43
the HOA is a private entity, so. 00:49:48
The only thing I believe that's given to us is the. 00:49:53
The master agreement. 00:49:57
When they did the planning and what? 00:49:59
When it would be turned over, was told to the. 00:50:01
City, right? 00:50:04
So we could help those private entities with information. 00:50:05
Of what? 00:50:09
What was promised during the city, But let's have our attorney look into, yeah. 00:50:10
Yeah. Thank you. 00:50:15
OK, any other public comments? 00:50:17
All right, seeing none, we will move down to the work session. 00:50:19
For the Easy park presentation and discussion, I'm going to turn this over to Jacob Wood. 00:50:23
And uh. 00:50:28
Yes, I invited an easy part to come give a presentation. So as we've been many a choice, I've been looking to find a way to have 00:50:29
enforcement. 00:50:34
But to make sure that enforcement isn't towing first or towing only. So this is a company I found. 00:50:39
Offers a more progressive form of enforcement. So I invited to come. They drove all the way down from Saint George I believe. 00:50:46
And. 00:50:52
Yeah, yes, I started. 00:50:55
Thank you. Come on up, gentlemen. 00:50:56
Thank you. 00:50:57
Thank you. 00:50:58
All righty. Thank you so much. 00:50:59
Yeah, thanks for inviting us here. Yeah, like Jacob said. 00:51:01
From Saint George, but we're working up here, so. 00:51:05
And just for a little bit of background, a little bit of history. 00:51:08
I've worked up here for. 00:51:11
Years as far as my. 00:51:13
Background repossessions, impounds, PPI's. 00:51:15
All the companies, all the tow truck. 00:51:18
Signs you have out there that's. 00:51:20
That's what I did, but then I sold that when? 00:51:22
We founded this. 00:51:24
Just a couple years ago. 00:51:27
So. 00:51:28
Just yeah, Dave Terry. 00:51:29
And I'm Cam Terry. 00:51:31
So we just found a. 00:51:34
Or tighten a lot more. 00:51:36
Tech company you know to run this to enforce we can do everything that. 00:51:38
My tow company used to do, but without taking people's cars. 00:51:42
And it's so much cheaper for him. 00:51:46
And you can still. 00:51:48
Provide compliance so. 00:51:49
But like I said over the 25 years that I've had. 00:51:54
With parking enforcement experience or. 00:51:57
Our foundation that comes from understanding and sorry, we don't have this up there that. 00:51:59
Since this was an apple. 00:52:05
The low connection was for a Mac, so we'll just kind of look at it and read through here. 00:52:06
But. 00:52:11
Like I said, easy park it was. 00:52:13
Accepted and founded in Saint George, but it's growing so fast now we're up in Oregon. 00:52:15
Also met with the committee up in Rexburg with BYU. 00:52:20
And got that municipality going up there, so we can do everything from municipalities. 00:52:24
Private HOA's even working with the Larry H Miller Group, Wasatch Group. 00:52:29
So different types of properties from commercial down to residential. 00:52:33
Yeah. 00:52:38
So. 00:52:40
One of the one of the things that. 00:52:42
Kind of sets us apart. 00:52:44
Is. 00:52:45
Are innovative enforcement. 00:52:46
So we have an all in one. 00:52:48
Basically all inclusive. 00:52:53
Parking ecosystem. 00:52:56
So this. 00:52:57
We have a license plate. 00:52:58
Based enforcement system and and permit system. So there's no need for, no need for. 00:53:00
Sticker permits. 00:53:06
Or hang tag permits, we can do digital permits and then how we. 00:53:08
Cross reference that is with a license plate reading camera car. 00:53:12
And. 00:53:16
We built this out. 00:53:17
Because. 00:53:19
With his background of 25 years in the towing industry, we realized that there's a lot of stress. There's a lot of. 00:53:20
Confrontation. There's a lot of friction. 00:53:27
That. 00:53:29
Is caused from towing. 00:53:30
And we're like, there's gotta be, there's gotta be a software approach. 00:53:32
A better approach? 00:53:35
And a more acceptable approach. 00:53:36
And that's where we found. 00:53:39
That's when we built out the license plate reading camera car and then we ticket. 00:53:41
Or notices of noncompliance. 00:53:45
And we issue those. 00:53:47
We have fixed cameras. 00:53:50
That can be installed at like commercial entrances or commercial. 00:53:52
Lots the entrances we can do mobile LPR on. 00:53:56
Oh yeah. 00:54:01
Let's see here. 00:54:05
Look at Mr. it, you might be in luck. 00:54:06
Let's see here allow this. 00:54:11
Let's see. 00:54:24
What? 00:54:26
What do I need to do now? 00:54:27
So I plugged it in. I allowed it. 00:54:29
You haven't talked there. 00:54:31
OK. And then that goes into this. 00:54:35
Dongle to the dongle. 00:54:38
Cross our fingers. 00:54:54
Maybe. 00:54:56
It would have worked. 00:55:13
And what if? 00:55:15
OK, I downloaded that app to. 00:55:16
OK. 00:55:20
Air. 00:55:23
Oh, I see. 00:55:25
Let's see, let's try airplane. 00:55:29
This won't this won't work OK. 00:55:31
OK, screen mirroring. 00:55:38
I'm on the. I'm on the guest Wi-Fi. 00:55:44
Does that change? 00:55:46
What is the? 00:55:48
Wi-Fi the TV. 00:55:48
Thread behind you on the wall here. 00:55:50
OK, I'm on that one. Perfect. 00:55:52
Should pull up them. 00:55:55
Would this bring up the TV? 00:56:11
OK. That's what we're trying to do. It's not pulling up. 00:56:15
OK, yeah, let me get on that one. 00:56:25
OK, so it's Vineyard. 00:56:31
OK. And then? 00:56:34
4. 00:56:39
05. 00:56:40
77. 00:56:42
There it is. 00:56:56
So East. 00:56:58
North. 00:57:00
It's trying it on the north. 00:57:11
Oh, OK. 00:57:20
8300. 00:57:23
There it is. 00:57:38
Hey, thank you. Thank you. Thanks for your help. 00:57:41
Awesome. 00:57:49
OK, so. 00:57:50
So yeah, we talked about the. 00:57:55
The license plate reading or the license plate recognition? 00:57:57
And we can do that mobile. 00:58:00
Which I think mobile makes most sense for. 00:58:02
For Vineyard and we kind of drove around and saw some of the locations that we discussed with Jacob and. 00:58:04
And so mobile would probably make the most sense. 00:58:10
We do. That is, we just have these cameras on this car and it'd be going around and checking. 00:58:13
The streets checking the private parking lots or the public parking lots, making sure that people. 00:58:18
Have have their permits. 00:58:22
And so. 00:58:24
With this approach. 00:58:25
We didn't remove. 00:58:27
Boots on the ground, we upgraded them. 00:58:28
Easy Park replaced outdated tow truck enforcement with mobile LPR camera vehicles. 00:58:30
Creating a smarter automated system. The result is a win, win, win. 00:58:35
Less frustration for residents, better oversight for property managers or city members. 00:58:39
And more efficient consist. 00:58:44
Enforcement. 00:58:47
Our system drives higher compliance with a more organized and modern approach. 00:58:48
So and just for a little update on the enforcement. 00:58:52
A lot of our neighboring states. 00:58:55
Where we're busy too. 00:58:57
Is. 00:58:58
They're changing the law. So like, we've all seen it here in Utah, where? 00:58:59
Tow trucks can drive around on patrol. 00:59:02
And then they see a violation. 00:59:05
And they take it. 00:59:06
The states are doing away with that, so that's why we're getting so busy and. 00:59:08
In Colorado and Oregon. 00:59:11
Because you need a third party company like Easy Park. We come in. 00:59:13
And you have to verify it and then dispatch the toe. 00:59:17
And I don't know if Utah will go that way, but our neighboring states. 00:59:20
Are which it makes sense like just more eyes on it. 00:59:23
So it maintains that we're the judge, you guys. 00:59:27
Then it comes to us as a city to approve if it can or cannot be towed to dispatch it, is what you're saying. 00:59:31
It would fall but that way there's a still this has to come from another company I see instead of 1 tow truck driver saying I'm 00:59:37
gonna take. 00:59:41
Right. OK, that makes sense. 00:59:45
Yeah, so this is our car. 00:59:47
This is the. 00:59:49
So there's the car on the left and a zoomed in picture on the right of the camera. 00:59:50
And so. 00:59:54
It's just a normal little Nissan and where you can just we can build it out with our technology and. 00:59:55
And it works. 01:00:00
This is all a better approach to parking. 01:00:03
We believe parking should be simple, fair and efficient for everyone. 01:00:06
Traditional parking. 01:00:10
Enforcement has long relied on reactive, labor intensive methods like towing. 01:00:12
This often leads to frustration and consistency and negative interactions with the public. 01:00:16
With our Win Win Win program, we solved a constant headaches of towing and create organization for the roads and streets. This 01:00:20
organization provides open parking for those who need to park and a cheaper, safer option to those who violate the rules. 01:00:26
And then? 01:00:33
On the right. 01:00:34
There there's. 01:00:35
Little picture of. 01:00:37
What? 01:00:38
The permit kind of looks like. 01:00:39
And we do have a. 01:00:41
A demo we actually built out. 01:00:42
The vineyard area with some of the properties that we've been talking about and so we can show you that how. 01:00:44
That looks on a map. There's little pins pins everywhere of the properties that could. 01:00:51
Have the permits or for people to reserve parking. 01:00:56
OK, why this works? Why Easy Park leads the industry in parking enforcement. 01:01:00
Because it reduces friction and improves experience. 01:01:05
With the license plate based enforcement, it removes the need for physical permits. 01:01:08
And eliminates confrontation. 01:01:12
This creates A smoother, more user friendly experience. 01:01:14
Kinda like how you mentioned we did this, you know, with the city up there in Rexburg. 01:01:17
For years. 01:01:21
BYU students. 01:01:22
Even citizens to park on the road, they had to go into the. 01:01:24
Mayor's office and there'd be a long line and they'd have to get physical permits. 01:01:27
So they loved this. 01:01:30
They don't even have to deal with that anymore. 01:01:32
Drives compliance without aggression and structured progressive enforcement model encourages voluntary compliance. 01:01:34
First, leading to fewer violations and repeat offenses. 01:01:40
It ensures transparency and accountability. 01:01:45
All activity is digitally recorded and reportable. 01:01:47
Giving cities and property owners full insight into operations. 01:01:51
So it really is a true win, win, win. 01:01:55
Residents win. That's less stress. Clear rules. 01:01:58
Cities when property owners better control an organization enforcement greater efficiency, fewer conflicts. 01:02:01
So the the whole system. 01:02:10
Is designed and built. 01:02:13
To scale. 01:02:14
So. 01:02:15
As Vineyard grows. 01:02:16
The uh. 01:02:18
Parking demand is going to is going to rise, it's going to increase and I'm sure you guys have already kind of felt that already. 01:02:19
As vineyard is is very dense. 01:02:25
And so that. 01:02:27
That demand as it drives. 01:02:28
Higher we can. 01:02:29
We can scale with that. 01:02:32
And so. 01:02:34
This we. 01:02:36
Our easy park we can manage public. 01:02:38
And private properties. 01:02:40
Under 1 system that is. 01:02:41
That is the beautiful thing about. 01:02:43
Easy Park. 01:02:45
With being a complete parking ecosystem. 01:02:46
From you, You're not going to have vendors. 01:02:48
Having. 01:02:51
Digital permits. 01:02:53
And that's all they. 01:02:54
Do and enforcement and that's all they do. We are a complete package and we can do public and private. 01:02:55
We standardize enforcement. 01:03:03
So. 01:03:06
Enforcement will all be the same from public and private Signage is going to be the same and we actually brought some signage 01:03:07
examples. 01:03:10
Some different sizes. 01:03:15
And we pay for the signs and we install them. 01:03:16
Yeah. So our team will do that and. 01:03:20
Depending on where it's at, you know, it might not say pay for parking, might just say register for parking. We. 01:03:23
We build the signs. 01:03:27
How you guys want? 01:03:28
And so that is. 01:03:30
Kind of depends on. 01:03:32
What the signs are for? 01:03:33
But then the compliance across all zones. 01:03:35
So we can, we can zone out. 01:03:38
Different, different areas of Vineyard. So we might have zone A. 01:03:40
Be, say, the vine. 01:03:44
Or. 01:03:46
Zone B is and we can. 01:03:47
Name the zones, just whatever they. 01:03:50
The complexes are the preserve the. 01:03:51
Alloy. Umm. 01:03:55
However that looks. 01:03:56
Will make it so that. 01:03:57
People can. 01:03:59
Choose. 01:04:00
Choose the alloy, say and purchase their permit there or. 01:04:01
Get their permit if they're not purchasing it, yeah. 01:04:04
Provide centralized reporting and management for the city leadership. So you guys will have. 01:04:07
Full transparency to see everything and as. 01:04:11
As the city expands and parking demands increase, Easy Park ensures that systems remain consistent, efficient and easy to manage. 01:04:14
And along with that, when I first met Jacob. 01:04:22
I was up here 2 weeks ago. 01:04:25
And with K&R? 01:04:27
Their property management company, we do a lot of their properties in Saint George. They've been asking us to get up into here. 01:04:29
So I was in his office and he wants to switch over the. 01:04:34
Water's edge. 01:04:37
Lakefront, Lakefront, OK. 01:04:39
And then he told me about. 01:04:43
Come to talk to the city of Vineyard. 01:04:45
And then so while I was here, I went into a lot of the private big complexes. 01:04:47
And it really was like 95% of people. 01:04:50
Like can we do this and how soon can you get up here? 01:04:54
Because. 01:04:57
When you're when you're a manager on a complex. 01:04:57
Someone gets towed. 01:05:00
They're coming in the office and. 01:05:01
They're ticked off. 01:05:03
So they. 01:05:05
They loved this. 01:05:05
Yeah, so we are. 01:05:09
Or sorry, did you have some? 01:05:11
No, go ahead. OK. So more, more than a vendor. 01:05:13
As easy. 01:05:16
We will. 01:05:18
We are a true partner. 01:05:19
And as a true partner, we'd commit to. 01:05:20
Make parking easier to manage, easier to enforce, and easier to for the public to understand. 01:05:22
Do more than just provide enforcement. We'll take ownership of the entire parking ecosystem. Act as an extension of the city. 01:05:27
From implementation to daily operations. 01:05:35
To long term optimization we will work with integrity. 01:05:38
And a citizen first mentality. 01:05:41
OK, So what this means for Vineyard? 01:05:48
And how we'll move forward in these different phases 1 unified system. 01:05:51
A single platform managing all parking environments, public roads, private streets, residential areas. 01:05:55
Commercial zones. 01:06:00
Eliminating fragmentation and confusion. 01:06:02
One accountable partner. 01:06:05
No juggling multiple vendors kind of, Cam talked about. 01:06:07
Or systems Easy Park provides clear ownership. 01:06:10
Consistent communication and full accountability across the entire city. 01:06:13
One streamlined solution, Standardized signage enforcement technology and reporting. 01:06:17
Creating a seamless experience for residents, visitors. 01:06:23
And city leadership alike. 01:06:26
And then as the implementation plan. 01:06:29
Phase I. 01:06:31
And usually it's about a 3030 day implementation. 01:06:33
Project and so phase one is planning and setup. 01:06:37
So we'll identify the zones or different properties that you guys would like us to. 01:06:40
To patrol. 01:06:44
And. 01:06:46
And then? 01:06:47
Customized rules and enforcement strategy. 01:06:48
So if it's let me add to what the planning and setup. 01:06:50
Lot of the complexes will keep. 01:06:53
The current contract at the tow company. 01:06:55
Because whatever escalation system we set up, say like if it's two tickets first. 01:06:57
And a boot, then the tow company. 01:07:02
We have dispatched that tow. 01:07:05
So they can, you can keep those contracts, but all you do is call them and say hey. 01:07:06
We're only going to call you on the call in basis. 01:07:11
Yeah, no more petroleum for the tow truck. 01:07:14
So in phase one as well, we had customized the rules and enforcement strategy. The rules are going to look different for every. 01:07:17
Every property, some might be no street parking, some might be only permit, some might be fire lane and. 01:07:23
And handicap. 01:07:29
So however that looks. 01:07:30
We'll build that. 01:07:31
And customize that for you. 01:07:33
Phase 2. 01:07:35
Installation. So we're going to have our sign. 01:07:36
Signs printed and then. 01:07:38
Installed. 01:07:42
Through our signage. 01:07:43
Team and then system configuration. So what this looks like is geofencing every. 01:07:44
Every property and. 01:07:50
Coding the different rules, coding the different. 01:07:52
Permits and so. 01:07:55
There's a lot that goes in behind the scenes for the coding of the technology. 01:07:57
But uh. 01:08:01
It's a pretty quick process and then Phase 3 is go live, so we choose a date, say May 1st or June 1st. 01:08:01
Begin enforcement with a grace period so we might have a. 01:08:08
A week or two week where we give warnings. 01:08:11
And then public education and communication will build out materials for you guys. 01:08:14
And we can go. 01:08:19
And do whatever we need to do to help you. 01:08:21
The best that we can to just get the word out there that things are changing. 01:08:24
Because the last thing we. 01:08:28
We want is for the residents to be confused on. 01:08:29
Why? Why they got a ticket or why? 01:08:32
Why they now had to have a permit or however that looks. 01:08:35
Phase 4 optimization. Ongoing adjustments if necessary based on data. 01:08:39
Monthly reporting and performance reviews. 01:08:43
So we want to be very communicative with you guys. 01:08:46
Whether it be monthly, quarterly? 01:08:49
Or however that looks. 01:08:51
To to make sure. 01:08:52
We are always aligned with you and doing the things that you guys want and need. 01:08:54
And that's it. So. 01:09:00
We wanted just to prepare a little brief. 01:09:02
Overview Brief summary of. 01:09:04
The basics that we cover. 01:09:06
And then we wanted to just answer any questions that you guys have. 01:09:08
Thank you. I appreciate it. Thank you. 01:09:11
Can you explain so? 01:09:15
You're not for the public. This is not a towing company you guys dispatched to. 01:09:17
A company to do that enforcement. 01:09:22
Correct. 01:09:23
Yeah, but you do patrol with your vehicle to scan the license plate and if the license plate comes back, they don't have a permit 01:09:24
then they either they ticket first. Can you explain how much the ticket would cost? 01:09:30
Yeah. So the ticket on average is $100. 01:09:38
So it's 1/3 or 1/4 of the cost of a tow. 01:09:42
And so. 01:09:45
That's what all of our Saint George properties have in Oregon. 01:09:46
We we kind of average around 7075. 01:09:51
And so it kind of varies between 75 and 100 bucks. So a lot cheaper than a tow. 01:09:54
And then? 01:10:00
We can decide. 01:10:02
With you guys, how you'd like it, if it's a ticket, ticket, boot, or if it's four tickets or three tickets, then a boot. 01:10:03
And then a toe. 01:10:09
And the boot is $75. It's cheaper because it keeps our car there. The ticket is a little bit more expensive because they have the 01:10:10
freedom to be able to. 01:10:14
To leave. 01:10:18
And uh. 01:10:19
And so. 01:10:19
That's kind of where those prices. 01:10:20
Kind of come about. 01:10:22
So you guys? 01:10:24
Sorry, when you when you get, you know, I've got a question from Jesse Tips. 01:10:25
OK, there you go. 01:10:30
Yeah, let's take Jesse's question right now. 01:10:34
Jesse's our city attorney. He's I was just wondering, do do you sell your data? 01:10:39
To third parties. 01:10:45
So for example if I. 01:10:46
Live in Vineyard and you have my license plate information. 01:10:48
Are you selling that information? Is the picture? 01:10:51
I would ask a couple questions here, which is a no no when you're a lawyer. 01:10:55
But. 01:10:58
Do you take a picture of only the license plate or the back of the tire? 01:10:59
The back of the vehicle or the whole vehicle? 01:11:02
What? What is it limited to that you're you're? 01:11:05
Yeah. So we do not sell the data. 01:11:08
And. 01:11:11
The the enforcement pictures we require. 01:11:12
Our enforcement. 01:11:15
Officers to take a minimum of four pictures. 01:11:17
For legal evidence shall end. 01:11:20
To keep both us and you guys protected as far as like. 01:11:23
Them saying we damaged their car or something. 01:11:27
Along the lines of that. 01:11:30
And so we take a minimum of four pictures. Those are uploaded to. 01:11:31
The. 01:11:35
The dashboard. 01:11:36
And then you guys can see it. We can see it. 01:11:37
Everyone can see if there's ever a question about it, but what are the pictures? 01:11:39
Is it a picture of? I would assume 4. 01:11:43
License plate. A picture of the car parked illegally from the front side. Rear. Exactly so So yeah. License plate. 01:11:46
And then try and get all the different angles so that. 01:11:52
We're we're covered on. 01:11:55
On all angles. 01:11:56
And so did I understand correctly you do not sell your data. 01:11:59
Correct. 01:12:02
OK. Thank you. 01:12:04
Yep. Can I ask how you make money? 01:12:05
Yeah. 01:12:09
Yep. 01:12:10
We make we make money on on the permits. 01:12:12
So how? 01:12:14
We so we talked to Jake. 01:12:16
About this, so we normally charge around $10 a permit that covers all the management is that for permit per month or per year, 01:12:18
per, per month, so. 01:12:22
With with Vineyard. 01:12:27
We discussed with all of our business partners and said well. 01:12:28
We'll drop that down to $5.00 because. 01:12:31
Because of the volume. 01:12:34
So let me pause it this and maybe just collect your feedback. 01:12:35
We talked about 3 or 4 different other. 01:12:40
Companies besides Easy Park over the course of the last week, sure. 01:12:43
And. 01:12:47
Those companies that. 01:12:48
Typical pricing model was something like. 01:12:49
10 to $60.00. 01:12:52
Per household. 01:12:54
Per year. 01:12:56
And then they make money on the toe. 01:12:57
Now you guys aren't? 01:12:59
Obviously doing the toe, you're not making money on the toe. 01:13:00
But then you're. 01:13:04
Like one of the conversations that we're having is we want these to be citizen. 01:13:06
Initiated. 01:13:09
And driven, you know. 01:13:11
Discussions. 01:13:13
Because we don't want to make a decision that. 01:13:15
Puts a financial burden on a bunch of residents unnecessarily. 01:13:17
So I guess my question is. 01:13:21
When some of these neighborhoods, if they choose to proceed with parking enforcement, are you willing to? 01:13:25
Maybe. 01:13:30
I guess just so they have the information but get competitive with the pricing. 01:13:31
Are you making money on the tickets outside of the permits or just the permits? Who? Who funds on the tickets? Yeah, yeah, we'll 01:13:35
make money on the tickets too. And then if it required a boot. 01:13:39
And you make money on the booth. So my and I guess my theory or I'm just sharing the information to share the information we're on 01:13:44
the public here. 01:13:47
If you're doing $10 per. 01:13:51
Pass per month. 01:13:54
Right, you have a minimum of. 01:13:56
A double. 01:13:58
The multiple of what one of some of these other companies were looking at on the upfront cost. So that's probably a pretty big 01:14:00
deterrent when it comes to people choosing to use you. 01:14:03
But additionally, we were talking about, for example, Lecheme, not in Bridgeport, right? That's roughly 200 homes. 01:14:07
And out of those 200 homes, that would be $2000 a year. 01:14:13
To get the coverage in those areas and then those companies make their money on the actual toes. 01:14:17
You're talking about. 01:14:21
You know $10 per pass if you have 4 passes per. 01:14:23
House. I mean, that's the code essentially. 01:14:27
I mean, it's just it seems almost exorbitant to me now. I don't have a dog in the fights. And so I'm not trying to shoot you guys 01:14:31
down on that. I just want you to know, yeah, these are the conversations that people are having and you're not in the ballpark 01:14:35
when it comes to the upfront fee. 01:14:39
Yeah. So it would be $5. 01:14:43
It'd be $5 a month and. 01:14:45
That pass. 01:14:47
Can have as many cars as. 01:14:48
As it as it needs. Gotcha. So it's not actually per car, correct. OK. You're doing the pass per household then yes, Yeah, you 01:14:50
could do yeah. So 4 Max 5 Max. So if we're doing an apartment complex, an apartment. 01:14:57
Say a 101. 01:15:04
Has. 01:15:05
3 bedrooms and you guys want a three CarMax? 01:15:06
We can set that. 01:15:09
Set that permit to three. 01:15:10
And so everyone in that household. 01:15:11
Can can be on that permit for $5.00 a month. 01:15:14
Now how do you do tailored? 01:15:17
For example. 01:15:19
One of the things that was concerning to the Council as a whole, I think last week when we were talking about it, was. 01:15:20
The larger families, right? It's Utah. 01:15:25
We got some big families in Utah. 01:15:27
If you have, you know, three teenage drivers plus mom and pop and you've got 5 cars, do you make? 01:15:30
A specialized, you know, does the council have to make a request to you? Is that something that a resident can send a notice and 01:15:35
say, hey, we need a fifth pass? 01:15:39
How does that process work for you? 01:15:43
Yeah, Yeah, we can. We can do it however you would like. If you would like the request to come to us, we can handle it if you'd 01:15:44
like it to work through you. 01:15:48
Then we can set it up that way. 01:15:51
So then, yeah, we can. 01:15:54
We can allocate 5. 01:15:56
To that household and. 01:15:57
And so that's not that's not a huge deal. 01:16:00
So like on properties like big apartment complexes, that's usually goes to the manager. So if it's different with this, then yeah, 01:16:02
it can come to us. 01:16:05
In my theory, and and this is just sharing where I'm at for everybody. 01:16:09
Would be that we run that kind of stuff through the code enforcement and the code enforcement officer gets developed and you 01:16:13
agreed you guys can do that, right? 01:16:16
Work with code enforcement? Yeah, absolutely. So that you can work that. The code enforcement would be the one that triggers the 01:16:19
toe. 01:16:22
Say it. Repeat that. 01:16:27
You can be the, you can set it up so that the code enforcement officer is the one that triggers the Boo or toe. Yeah, yeah, not 01:16:28
you. 01:16:32
Self defeating in your app through your app, right, But the decision like the adjudicator is the government entity, yeah. 01:16:37
For huge, yeah, I'm pulling down so much that I mean in the complex, well, because they'll look at it and say, hey, this is a 01:16:47
mistake here, this is a mistake here, hey, we're going to do it. And they get to know the community you guys probably wouldn't get 01:16:52
to know. 01:16:56
Yeah, community as well as. 01:17:01
The code enforcement officer was sure just because we're in the work session. My argument against that though, would be that then 01:17:03
you're. 01:17:06
You're doing the job twice. 01:17:10
So you're paying the code enforcement and you're paying. 01:17:12
Easy Park. 01:17:15
For the adjudication when it really only takes 1. 01:17:16
Is is that on an app though? Is that like on a phone that they would log into and see the evidence or see the? 01:17:19
That he could see the code enforcement. You see the. Yeah. So you see the one explained the dashboard. You guys said you have a 01:17:26
dashboard. People can like a dashboard where they can see. And he said we would have access. So I mean, it would just stand to 01:17:30
reason you could send that to the code enforcement as well. Sure. Yeah. So we can build that dashboard too. 01:17:35
To however, works best for Vineyard. 01:17:40
So. So yeah, if we want to. 01:17:43
Make a system where a code enforcer can just put in. 01:17:45
Into a section. Hey, license plate ABC123 isn't supposed to be here. 01:17:48
It can automatically dispatch our driver. 01:17:53
To go over and place a ticket. 01:17:55
Or. 01:17:57
Or we can give certain code enforcers the tools to be able to just do it themselves. 01:17:57
Some mayor When the presentation is done, there's a comment from the back. Yeah. Anything else from council? Let's. 01:18:05
One more quick question. We have a lot of different neighborhoods. 01:18:13
Does it have to be all or one, or could we meet with individual neighborhoods and say they're ready, They're ready, They're sure? 01:18:17
Yeah, we have a lot of neighborhoods that don't need it. 01:18:21
Yeah. 01:18:27
Fantastic, yeah. 01:18:29
Because see our system even. 01:18:31
If they. 01:18:33
If the apartment complex is going to make money on the permit. 01:18:34
NCR system even does that and then because most apartment complexes charge. 01:18:37
Around 50 I'd say average a month on a on a permit but. 01:18:42
They're making that revenue OK. 01:18:46
Councilman there. 01:18:49
What do you do when people don't pay the tickets? 01:18:51
We assume 30 to 40% pay. 01:18:54
So we just eat the cost. 01:18:57
On the other 60%? 01:18:58
OK, it's. 01:19:02
OK, sorry this is just been. 01:19:03
The back and forth. 01:19:05
That we've had for the last. 01:19:06
Two months? Sure. 01:19:07
If. 01:19:09
E ticket me. 01:19:11
Can you give me the citation? 100 bucks? 01:19:12
And I say. 01:19:14
Not going to pay that. I mean it's on the public record now that you are assuming that 60% of people are going to pay. 01:19:15
Yeah, so now we just choose to not pay. 01:19:22
Parker, don't say that out loud. Don't say that. They already said it. 01:19:24
Now I guess the question is. 01:19:28
The escalation policies than what actually puts teeth behind that, is that correct? 01:19:30
Because it's just like any bill. I mean, if they don't pay, it keeps going on, it's going to go to collections. I do have a 01:19:37
question. So if they don't pay the ticket and then you boot the second violation, do they have to pay the ticket and boot? 01:19:42
Or they just pay the bill. 01:19:47
We normally just charge the boot. 01:19:49
Yeah. So it doesn't stack on, yeah. 01:19:51
I don't argue you should stack it on and and we can. 01:19:53
We need to look more into that. We haven't looked too close. We. 01:19:57
Honestly, we've been a little hesitant on that because sure. 01:20:00
We don't want to. 01:20:03
We don't want to cross a line. 01:20:04
You know, and so. 01:20:06
We in Texas, I know. 01:20:07
I know that's a strong thing to do that, but it can get aggressive because some people have $1000 of outstanding tickets before 01:20:10
they get a boot. 01:20:14
So. 01:20:17
We've just been doing a boom. 01:20:18
Sure, Jacob, do you have a? 01:20:21
Could you come up to the microphone that be great and state your name for the microphone please Sir? 01:20:24
Yeah. Thank you. 01:20:33
I'm Jacob Schooley. I am in Lakefront and actually I'm on the HOA board for the lakefront townhomes and had some questions about. 01:20:35
Quite a few things actually. So. 01:20:43
One thing I was thinking for the escalation policy, is it customizable so to where like let's say somebody pays a ticket, the next 01:20:44
time they get another ticket. If they choose not to pay the ticket and then they violate again, then they get booted. And that 01:20:50
could serve as like motivation to pay the ticket the first time so that they're not late to work if they mess up again. 01:20:55
Yeah, OK. Because that I mean that could increase rates of paying the ticket and. 01:21:02
Would still, you know, teach a lesson? 01:21:08
Fix your past before you park. 01:21:10
I also want to provide some context on the price situation, so. 01:21:12
Jacob, do you have numbers at the top of your head for how many households we have in lakefront? 01:21:17
I do not 600 something 91 I think. 01:21:23
691 units. 691 units. OK, so let's say we have 691 units. 01:21:26
And that's $10 a month per unit. 01:21:31
Then the total, let's say the lakefront offers different, right? 01:21:35
Take the discount bro, he already offered you five, $3455 a month, Jacob, isn't it $3? 01:21:39
Then they say $3. Yeah. Was that $3 a month or three dollars? 01:21:47
Bike for just to set it up. 01:21:51
That's so it'd be it'd be $5 a month, but that is. 01:21:53
That can be charged to the residents. 01:21:57
So then the HOA. 01:22:00
I will say that the residents in Lakefront will be would be very against a monthly fee to be able to park in their neighborhood 01:22:03
because in the past like. 01:22:06
That's something they haven't had to deal with and like the towing is annoying but. 01:22:10
Like nobody wanted to pay a monthly fee at least for the first pass. The second pass we charge 75 a year and that would cover the 01:22:15
second pass. But for the first pass, like to be able to park your first car in the neighborhood? 01:22:19
That's something that's. 01:22:25
That's something that will be a major sticking point. 01:22:27
Well, I I think tonight isn't about. 01:22:29
Forcing any neighborhood to do this, it's like this is such an incredible option. 01:22:32
That it's like we've researched something that people want and it's like. 01:22:36
We can go to the different neighborhoods and say, is this something that you guys want to do and. 01:22:40
Pulled that vote amongst each neighborhood. 01:22:44
You know. 01:22:47
Thank you. Thank you guys so much. Let's do this if you could. 01:22:48
Gentlemen, if you could send this presentation to Council. 01:22:52
And it it along. Do you have their phone number if they want to? If anyone from council wants to reach out directly, can we also 01:22:55
post it as part of the general notes? 01:23:00
Awesome. No, this has been super helpful. We sure appreciate that your conversation real quickly. I probably missed this. How do 01:23:07
you get the license plates into the system? 01:23:12
Do people enter their own license plate information or do you? 01:23:17
How's that done? 01:23:20
So we have. 01:23:22
We have a few different ways that we can do this. The easiest way. 01:23:23
Would be that we we send out a link or we set up our whoops, sorry. 01:23:26
That we set up our signs that have the QR code. 01:23:30
And and then the residents can scan that and download their permit right then and there or click on the link from the e-mail. 01:23:33
Or from a flyer, however that looks. 01:23:40
And then? 01:23:43
They'll fill out the information, we can set it up to where there is. They had to put in an address and even apartment unit 01:23:45
number. 01:23:48
And that's how we can do the Max. So like one apartment might have 31, apartment might have one, it might be a studio. And and so 01:23:52
that's how we can do the Max. And so they'll fill it out. 01:23:56
Or. 01:24:01
We have done this for properties in the past. This would be a huge workload for us. 01:24:02
Which I should, I should maybe offer this, but I'm going to. But we can do it all ourselves. 01:24:07
And we can go around and. 01:24:12
We've door knocked in the past. 01:24:13
And gathered information that way. It's a lot slower process. 01:24:15
But we're willing. 01:24:19
I want to say that just so you know, we're willing to work with you on however. 01:24:21
We get that information. That's awesome. Thank you. 01:24:26
OK. Thank you, gentlemen. 01:24:29
For this event, super helpful. Was there other questions? 01:24:31
Yeah, I've got another one. 01:24:33
That's all right. 01:24:35
You did mention that you have a demo of the of the website and how it works for residents, like be able to switch license plates 01:24:36
and things like that. Okay. 01:24:40
That would be that would be something that be great to see because one I know one thing that we that a lot of residents are be 01:24:44
interested in is how easy it's going to be to switch between license plates and also what the policies are for if there's 01:24:48
technical difficulties that are not. 01:24:52
User related. 01:24:57
If it's if like something goes down on your end, who's responsible for the ticket because they couldn't switch, like things like 01:24:59
that, yeah. 01:25:02
I'll send it to you. Awesome. 01:25:05
Thank you so much, gentlemen. You guys are great. Thank you. 01:25:09
OK, let's jump to get a question in the back. 01:25:11
Or a comment, OK, we're just, I'm just trying to wrap this up. Would this be something that you could directly just take them, 01:25:14
take this outline on the foyer or would you like to, I mean? 01:25:18
Come come on up yet? 01:25:23
So a question, a few data questions for you along with the lawyer. 01:25:26
What is your retention? 01:25:31
Mr. Moss, could you share your name? 01:25:34
Oh, Steven Moss with Britt. 01:25:35
Bridgeport Thank you, Sir. 01:25:37
We keep it as long as needed. 01:25:39
So as long as that. 01:25:40
As long as needed. 01:25:42
OK. And then second, where is your data stored? 01:25:43
It's so we we start with. 01:25:46
With the. 01:25:49
A third party OK and so. 01:25:50
They're they're called resolve. 01:25:53
OK. And where do they store it? 01:25:54
My question is, is it in China? Is it in Russia? Is it in US? 01:25:58
OK, their data stored. 01:26:02
Which though might be in different places, so I'm concerned about that. 01:26:04
Yeah, it needs to stay. 01:26:08
In the States if. 01:26:11
Public comments on addressing us. And I also don't like that your attention is hey, hey, Sir. 01:26:12
That stock adjust the chair please, what's your question and we can sorry my question is I'm heavily against data usage that's 01:26:17
indefinitely stored. 01:26:22
Cuts definitely against. 01:26:26
Anyone that's in it? Sure. So thank you for thank you for that. Appreciate you. Thank you for the comment. OK, we're going to wrap 01:26:28
this up and we're going to get going to the. Could I just have one last quick suggestion? 01:26:33
Could we put this? 01:26:39
And just. 01:26:41
We've got a handful of companies that use the digital passes and so I'd love to just. 01:26:42
Put out to bid. 01:26:46
Let's I would suggest having the City Council kind of select a unified. I would hate to have like 6 different. 01:26:47
Things throughout the cities so. 01:26:52
Why don't we? 01:26:54
There's nothing to put out to bid right now. 01:26:55
All of the neighborhoods. 01:26:57
Eased off. 01:26:59
I mean like. 01:27:01
Generally speaking, they're looking for the results of we have to strings and Providence. 01:27:02
Actually we have to put out forbid anyways. Yeah, we have. 01:27:07
That's the other guy that's going to happen anyway. Quit. 01:27:11
Vacated the contract, yeah, yeah, so. 01:27:13
I was just suggesting we just have a unified. So any neighborhood that wants to opt in, they use the contract that we set will 01:27:15
probably get a better rate. 01:27:19
Having the economy of scale from something like this. 01:27:23
Thanks. OK. 01:27:26
Awesome. Thank you, guys. 01:27:27
Appreciate it. OK. We're going to move to business item 8.1 at this time. 01:27:29
Let's talk about this. 01:27:36
I know that there was some people in the in the thank you guys for coming. Sure appreciate it and. 01:27:38
Awesome. You guys are great. Appreciate it. 01:27:46
All righty, let's have a discussion about 8.1. If anyone in the in the is we're going through this discussion and we have any 01:27:49
members from the audience that would like to talk, if you could just raise your hand as we kind of go through the deliberation. We 01:27:53
can, we can call and, and have you come up. 01:27:58
On that as well so. 01:28:03
Moved to 8.1 resolution 20. 01:28:05
26-1 Amend the consolidated fee schedule. 01:28:08
Council, any, any comments about that? Yes, Mr. David Kyle over there. 01:28:11
You have it pulled up in front of you, correct? We didn't get physical copies. So just to save me the time from going and pulling 01:28:18
it up online. 01:28:21
What was the actual verbiage in the resolution when it came to granting the mayor? 01:28:26
The powers to amend fees, so it says, only to make non substantive. 01:28:31
Administrative adjustments as necessary. 01:28:38
Based on our previous discussion, do we want to just remove that Section 5 and it says a city manager rather? Yeah, city manager. 01:28:42
Or designee. 01:28:49
Is authorized and directed to implement the provisions of this resolution. 01:28:51
As we have no city manager, we probably ought to make it something like the mayor or designee. 01:28:55
We don't want to give away that power, right? That's what we were previously talking about, City Council or designee. 01:29:00
So it's non substance. I mean, it's really just small adjustments. It's to be constrained, sure, but like Mr. Riddle would say if 01:29:06
he was here, who defines what the small adjustment is? Because to me a small adjustment is literally any fee on that fee schedule. 01:29:14
Well, I would argue that the. 01:29:24
The tough is not small, so. 01:29:26
The point being. 01:29:30
It's a subjective decision. 01:29:31
Can we say for the immediate? 01:29:33
30 days. So that way he's solving it. So it's a time constraint. Well, no, no, no, no, no. This is a separate thing that right 01:29:35
we're talking about. 01:29:38
Amending an adopted or accepting a resolution for an adopted amended fee schedule that already removes the tough. 01:29:42
We're talking about in addition to that. 01:29:48
Giving the mayor power to reduce the fee schedule on different things. And it is to reduce, not to raise. 01:29:50
Correct, that was. 01:29:57
On purpose so that there's but I will give credit where credit is due and Ezra's point protects us from some favoritism and. 01:29:58
Perceptions of those kind of things. For example, if I want to go become a vendor, now it. 01:30:06
Vineyard Days. 01:30:10
Zach could waive my fee then. 01:30:12
And that would. 01:30:13
Probably not be the correct thing to do. 01:30:14
But it could be done under that, so let's just cover the bases, protect ourselves and do things the right way. 01:30:17
Send it to the Council or make us write a code that gives us the ability to make those exceptions. 01:30:22
I'm fine to do whatever you guys want. 01:30:29
I do not care about this. 01:30:32
I'll support part of the. I just want to get rid of the tough. 01:30:35
So I do not care. So if you want to charge, if we want to charge the herd fascination, let's. 01:30:38
My proposal would just be let's remove that line from the resolution. Let's accept the resolution that allows us to remove the 01:30:43
tough. 01:30:46
With the exception of Section 5. 01:30:50
Correct. 01:30:52
And then? 01:30:53
If we want to write a code. 01:30:54
That allows us. 01:30:56
The power to negotiate or reduce those when they come in front of the council, great. I got no problem having 200 people come in 01:30:57
front of the council and ask for a code to be reduced and I'll tell all of them no. 01:31:03
But. 01:31:08
But you want to be able to go home before 8, so you want to remove that to make non substantive administrative adjustments as 01:31:10
necessary. 01:31:13
Yeah. Ezra, does that satisfy the concern that you brought up as well? 01:31:17
Just to remove that, yeah, just get rid of Section 5 entirely. 01:31:22
Yeah, well, you got to have an administrative implementation in it. 01:31:26
Yeah, that's where my comment was. Let's just remove the line that says the mayor can make the change. 01:31:32
Just there's. 01:31:39
Like between two commas. 01:31:40
To make nonsense. 01:31:42
Dance to administrative adjustments as necessary. 01:31:43
I think the second comment, we're implementing it right now, I'd say the council is. 01:31:48
Passing this as directing the implementation of it right now. 01:31:53
So if we could say the. 01:31:56
Or I just say the Council. 01:31:59
Is authorized. 01:32:02
And I got, I got what you're saying here. OK. So yeah, the counselor designee is authorized to. 01:32:03
Direct and implement the provisions of this resolution. 01:32:09
Period. 01:32:12
Period. 01:32:13
The council is authorized. 01:32:15
Yeah. That way we're saying that we retain the legislative authority to amend that on a case by case basis. 01:32:17
But that way it has to come to a public meeting, it has to be heard. 01:32:25
Yeah, I'm fine with that. 01:32:29
Be a long night. 01:32:32
Also, I'd recommend changing the year on the schedule. It's got the. 01:32:35
2024 to 2025 fiscal year on the. 01:32:40
The backup, yeah, Thank you. 01:32:43
OK. That's a lot. OK. 01:32:47
Anything else on? 01:32:50
This Council to deliberate. 01:32:51
David Pierce, did you? Were you raising your hand? 01:32:53
I'm sorry. 01:32:58
I don't know. I was looking down at here. Yeah, Go ahead, David. Here's Cascade I. 01:32:59
I think Parker. 01:33:03
Your comments are spot on. 01:33:06
Because you all meet every week. 01:33:08
It's not like there's a huge time difference between a request. 01:33:10
And an action. 01:33:15
OK. Sure. Thank you. Thank you, Sir. 01:33:16
So OK. 01:33:19
I mean the City Council. 01:33:21
Isn't like is is not implementing the provisions? 01:33:25
Like that's an administrative function. 01:33:30
Is Jesse still listening? 01:33:34
Yes. 01:33:36
Oh, goodness. OK. 01:33:39
We can. 01:33:41
Say that the City Council is directing. 01:33:45
This resolution. 01:33:47
For the mayor or administrative function of the city. 01:33:50
To implement the provisions of this resolution. 01:33:54
Remove the comic to comic non substantiative administrative adjustments as necessary. 01:33:57
I mean, I don't, I don't see why that's. 01:34:05
Yeah, not something we can just. 01:34:07
Say. 01:34:10
This is making. 01:34:11
Logical sense to me as I just read. 01:34:12
Through that. 01:34:14
So we're authorizing. 01:34:15
The mayor or his designee? 01:34:17
To implement the provisions of the resolution. 01:34:20
And to ensure the updated consolidated fee schedule is properly maintained and made available to the public. 01:34:24
All we're doing is removing the. 01:34:31
Non substantiative administrative adjustments. 01:34:34
That's all I was advocating, OK. 01:34:37
Yeah, good. 01:34:39
Yeah, with that then I do have. 01:34:42
Any thoughts on the actual fees themselves? 01:34:47
Any final thoughts? 01:34:50
I've been very involved in. 01:34:55
Looking at the budgets, going through the audits, those kind of things. 01:34:58
I recognize. 01:35:03
Your concern as a legitimate concern when you talk about let's make sure that we have the dollar for dollar to cover that. 01:35:06
I believe that we are on track. 01:35:14
To roughly cut 2 for one. 01:35:17
When it comes to this expense. 01:35:20
So I feel very comfortable. However, I know Evans not here. 01:35:22
And. 01:35:26
You know, we haven't published those specifics yet. 01:35:28
I am meeting with Evan on Friday morning and some of the department heads to go through their. 01:35:30
Budgets and requests and try to make sure that we have alignment. We're on track for these things too. 01:35:36
To my understanding thus far. 01:35:41
We've cut. 01:35:43
I don't want to say cuts cuts, but I mean. 01:35:45
Identified where we have roughly $1,000,000 worth of savings, which is like 8% of our annual budget to begin with, so. 01:35:47
We're moving into a position where I feel. 01:35:55
Comfortable doing this and we're empowering some of the. 01:35:59
Departments, for example Parks and Rec in the library are really good. 01:36:03
Examples here. 01:36:06
To fundraise. 01:36:07
And recover some of their own expenses and operating costs through. 01:36:09
Cost collection measures right so. 01:36:14
I think that we're going to be in a position where this is not. 01:36:16
Concerning, yes, it is going to be tight because the budget overall is tight and the forecast for the next three years is really 01:36:22
tight. 01:36:25
So that's not to say that this is. 01:36:29
To devalue or diminish your position, it's just to say. 01:36:32
I think that there is a. 01:36:37
Position we can be in where at least this year. 01:36:38
We're going to be good. 01:36:40
And I think in recognizing working with public works, looking at. 01:36:43
What roads are the highest priority? 01:36:47
Yeah, we're maybe not. 01:36:50
Doing the maintenance right at the recommended time, but we're doing it before we have to do the full Rd. replacement type stuff 01:36:51
too, so it's. 01:36:55
It's a little bit of a staggered game. 01:36:59
To my understanding. 01:37:01
But I have. 01:37:02
Confidence in where we're kind of positioning ourselves to be able to achieve that. 01:37:03
So there's also some context. So we explored several options for the Tuffy, and one of the options was to do like. 01:37:09
If we did an across the board 475 for businesses and homes. 01:37:17
You know we, we. 01:37:22
Evan mapped out and he sent an e-mail to council. 01:37:23
And from January to June, that would amount to 89. 01:37:27
A little over 80. 01:37:30
89 Six. 01:37:32
So almost $90,000 and if. 01:37:34
You put it into perspective. 01:37:37
What the tough fee raised was about. 01:37:41
Almost $1,000,000. 01:37:43
And that's still. 01:37:46
We were still needing to put another million for our general fund. 01:37:48
And so even if we reduced it. 01:37:52
The tough fee is so small. 01:37:54
Like it doesn't make a substantial. 01:37:57
Impact. 01:38:00
In terms of like actual I mean. 01:38:01
It doesn't really. I mean, yes. 01:38:03
$90,000 is a lot of money. 01:38:05
But in terms of? 01:38:07
The $2,000,000 needed for the road. 01:38:09
The road transportation Fund it's not. 01:38:12
It's not going to make a meaningful impact. 01:38:16
Any other questions? 01:38:22
For a call for a vote. 01:38:23
Christmas I. 01:38:29
I will give you a motion. 01:38:30
Yes, go ahead, David. 01:38:33
I move that we accept. We adopt resolution 2026. 01:38:35
Dash 21. 01:38:42
Consolidated fee schedule. 01:38:44
To uh. 01:38:45
Has written with the with the exception of Section 5. 01:38:47
Will read The City Council directs the mayor or his designee to implement the provisions of this resolution and to ensure. 01:38:51
To ensure the updates. 01:38:58
The update should ensure the updated consolidated fee schedule is properly maintained. 01:39:01
And made available to the public. 01:39:06
Thank you, do I have a second? 01:39:09
2nd. 01:39:11
All right, we'll do this by roll call. 01:39:12
Oh sorry, the year 2. 01:39:14
Just making sure we update the year, the year as well. Did you get the? 01:39:17
Yeah, OK, I have it down. But Tony. 01:39:21
That's do you have a damn? 01:39:24
I have changed the year to 20262026. Tony's like I'll listen to the recording later. OK, let's do this by roll call. Parker. Hi. 01:39:26
Jacob I. 01:39:33
Jake, I, David, hi. 01:39:34
And Ezra? 01:39:36
Aye, OK. 01:39:38
Resolution passes. 01:39:40
Already we're going to talk about 8.2 and 8.4 at the same time, if that's all right, that they're kind of one in the same. So 8.2 01:39:42
is adopt resolution. 01:39:47
In support of parking and. 01:39:51
Enforcement. 01:39:53
Any discussion on that item? I know that Holden Holden had just a couple of. 01:39:56
Yeah, let me just. 01:40:02
And perhaps Parker already the context on that. So this is what we talked about last. 01:40:03
I worked a lot with Councilman Nair, so I want to say thank you for. 01:40:10
You know, being willing to take my. 01:40:14
20,000 phone calls and text messages over the course of the last week. 01:40:16
We presented the. 01:40:22
Concept for this on Thursday. 01:40:24
To our special session. 01:40:26
And largely what this is, is recognizing that. 01:40:29
Bridgeport, Lechemont. 01:40:35
They have legitimate safety concerns. 01:40:38
When it comes to. 01:40:40
The over. 01:40:42
Crowding on the streets and the vehicles that are parked. 01:40:43
Right up against stop signs. 01:40:46
In front of fire hydrants and on red curbs. 01:40:48
So while there's been a lot of debate and discussion about how to do parking enforcement in those neighborhoods and some of the 01:40:52
other neighborhoods as well. 01:40:55
We thought one of the ways that we could immediately alleviate some of their concerns was to. 01:41:01
Enforced on the low hanging fruit when it came to if you're parts. 01:41:06
And I, I drove through that neighborhood. I told everybody, I took pictures on my phone and stuff. You're parked. 01:41:10
Literally front tire on the stop sign line. 01:41:15
Everyone knows that's illegal. 01:41:19
Right. And I mean, if you go get a driver's license, you. 01:41:21
Have to learn, you know, I can't park 30 feet in front of a stop sign and I can't park in front of the fire hydrant. And I 01:41:24
shouldn't be parking on a red curb. 01:41:27
So. 01:41:31
The theory was if we implement. 01:41:32
This resolution which essentially is directing the. 01:41:34
Sheriff's Department to just do a safety type patrol through that neighborhood in that area every day. 01:41:37
They can identify the immediate safety hazards. 01:41:43
And give them a citation or a tow order immediately. 01:41:47
To help make those streets a little bit safer. 01:41:50
Right. Increased visibility when you're turning into a neighborhood or onto the road and your kids aren't going to get ran over 01:41:53
when they're trying to cross the street because no one can see them between the cars. 01:41:58
So. 01:42:02
The theory behind this is. 01:42:03
Let's enforce on the low hanging fruit. 01:42:05
And let's. 01:42:08
By the neighborhood's time to build consensus and develop actual. 01:42:09
Policy or procedure that's going to represent the community at large. 01:42:14
Thank you. 01:42:19
Holden, do you want to jump in? 01:42:21
I sure. Yep. 01:42:22
I have a question and. 01:42:24
Do we need to do a resolution to? 01:42:25
For this, this is an administrative thing. We already the chief, he already has authority to do all of this. Yes, it could be an 01:42:27
administrative thing, however. 01:42:31
I've drafted a resolution and it's here before that we want so we can make our vote. We're going to vote. That's the beauty of it. 01:42:35
Right now we have two different, you know, avenues of government. We have the mayor and the administrative and we have the 01:42:41
legislative and either one can initiate things like this. To be honest with you, I think it's important that we tie Holdens hand 01:42:47
of like we're speaking as a unit, which is why I made adjustments of like, hey, you didn't know, hold it. 01:42:53
And we'll, we'll go over the adjustments. 01:43:00
Chief Deputy Holden shared those with me. 01:43:03
Earlier. 01:43:05
And I know he had shared them with some of you guys. 01:43:06
Essentially the adjustments to the resolution. 01:43:08
That I had. 01:43:11
Drafted and you know. 01:43:12
Ezra was Co sponsoring is essentially acknowledging that there are. 01:43:13
Operational realities with what? 01:43:18
The sheriff can and can't do and if they get like a domestic violence call while they're out there. 01:43:20
Giving a tow order, they're going to abandon the tow order and go respond to the domestic violence call. So it's acknowledging 01:43:26
those realities. 01:43:29
That I think he's going to present on right now, yeah. 01:43:33
What I wanted to do is obviously we are committed to. 01:43:36
Whatever the council would like us to do within within our legal bounds, right? And I've been part of parking discussions for. 01:43:39
Nine years. 01:43:46
And and very empathetic to the neighborhoods and the parking problems and especially these neighborhoods. We definitely recognize 01:43:48
the need. 01:43:52
For some, some change in these neighborhoods. So I did want to just take just one second to talk about some of the stuff we've 01:43:56
taken this. These are just this month, just since the beginning of March. 01:44:00
This is a map of our city. Obviously, these dots represent citations for parking violations that we've issued just this month. 01:44:06
Now, some of those may be warnings, but they're written. 01:44:14
Warnings or citations left on a vehicle people are aware that they have been parking in illegally. 01:44:16
This is a comparison to. 01:44:22
Every other type of citation we've written for the month. 01:44:24
And then this dot is all of the calls we've had to or all of the case numbers, not calls. Calls will be way more than this. These 01:44:28
are case numbers. 01:44:32
That we've taken just this month within the city, there's the yellow dots. So purple is parking citations, green is every other 01:44:36
type of citation. 01:44:40
And then our yellow is our case numbers. 01:44:44
So obviously we have a balance that we have to take between when we're talking about parking enforcement and the time we spend 01:44:46
with that and then responding to other. 01:44:50
Other things like speeding. 01:44:53
Case numbers, domestic violence, all those types of calls, so. 01:44:56
You'll forgive me. 01:45:00
Help me to understand the case number, What the difference is between that and a call for service? It's a call for service so 01:45:01
these no. 01:45:03
A case number is we. Let's say I get a call for service. Somebody calls in that just has basic questions that does not generate a 01:45:06
case number. 01:45:10
Case numbers are generally something more serious that requires the deputy to write a report. 01:45:14
So. 01:45:19
Generally speaking. 01:45:21
Case numbers. 01:45:23
Call numbers are going to be way higher than what our case numbers are. 01:45:24
Because we get a lot of calls of just. 01:45:27
Civil problems. Things that don't require a case number. 01:45:29
Or don't require a report. 01:45:32
So some of the parks in front of someone's driveway and they can't get out, That's a. 01:45:33
That's got the case number and. 01:45:37
You out and do something. 01:45:39
Yes, yes. Thank you. 01:45:40
OK, all right, with that being said, let's look at. 01:45:42
The resolution real quick. 01:45:46
That's the one I had pulled up. 01:45:49
So I just had a couple of small edits because of the towing company recently. 01:45:51
Resigning or withdrawing themselves from from contracting with the city. 01:45:56
I recommend we change this to authorized towing services so that whoever we hire or when I call for a tow. 01:46:01
The next rotation toe, this covers us there. Yeah, I just wanted to clarify so everybody understands the Sheriff's Department when 01:46:07
they call for a tow, it goes to essentially the. 01:46:11
Collection of tow companies that are working through their dispatch and so it's just the next one in rotation so there's no. 01:46:15
Like monopoly on tow through the sheriff's. 01:46:21
Yeah. 01:46:24
Just add this little section here and. 01:46:26
To prioritize enforcement and proactive patrol efforts. 01:46:28
And then in this one, we'll redline the discretion and put in in accordance with existing law and established enforcement 01:46:33
procedures. 01:46:36
Again the. 01:46:40
Contractor told to change that to authorized towing provider. 01:46:41
And then this is the one that Councilmember Mccumber was talking about. 01:46:44
Shall be towed so that the desire from the Council is for us to tow on these. 01:46:48
Violations here. 01:46:53
We just put that caveat in there unless there's mitigating circumstances, reasonably warned, and alternative enforcement action. 01:46:55
So if we got a call to something more serious, we could hurry and leave a sticker or a citation and get on our way to. 01:47:00
To something that's higher priority for the audience. If you're having a hard time reading the screen, what those were was. 01:47:06
Blocking fire hydrants parked on red curbs, parked in front of stop signs, blocking intersections, or otherwise creating an 01:47:11
imminent safety hazard. 01:47:15
And then the last one is just another. 01:47:19
Take out the contract of towing and put in authorized towing. 01:47:21
As needed So. 01:47:24
Great. 01:47:26
I think those shakers are. 01:47:27
Common sense. So I. 01:47:29
Holden, thank you. 01:47:32
For that, any questions for holding on? 01:47:33
Regarding this. 01:47:35
Do you guys track? 01:47:37
Like when you. 01:47:38
Either toe or leave a citation for a vehicle. Is that in your system? So if you like. 01:47:39
Say I'm writing another citation. Does it automatically say? 01:47:44
This had. 01:47:47
X number of citations in the past week or so. Anytime one of our deputies runs a plate number, it'll come back with. 01:47:49
Any involvement that we've had with that plate in the past. 01:47:55
OK, very cool. 01:47:57
Thank you. Any other questions for Holden? 01:47:59
Not for Holden, I guess, or discussion. 01:48:04
Go redhead. 01:48:06
Could we, since it's easy to see when? 01:48:08
People are doing multiple violations. Could we add that? 01:48:11
The first offense is a. 01:48:13
Citation and then. 01:48:15
Anytime after that, it's a. 01:48:17
Do we want to allow for a warning? 01:48:20
Basically someone there. So we went. We say the first. 01:48:23
Versus a. 01:48:26
Citation. 01:48:27
Takes away the chance to the warning the first time. 01:48:28
If you, if I can just say. 01:48:30
Established enforcement procedures. That's basically already there. 01:48:33
That's what we've been doing as our established procedures is. 01:48:36
Typically will go out. 01:48:39
And for example, I went out last night to drive it and see it, and here was a car right in front of a fire hydrant, red curb and a 01:48:40
foot and a half off the curb. I was like, Oh my heck. So I ran the plate number and knocked on doors. Finally got ahold of 01:48:45
somebody and said move your car. 01:48:50
So that was and we do that typically that's our typical enforcement procedures or a warning. 01:48:55
You know, we'll try and not, I knocked on. 01:49:01
Doors for three different cars. 01:49:04
Good talk to people and said hey. 01:49:06
Starting Tuesday, it's going to get a little bit tougher around here so so please start moving your cars so. 01:49:08
Anyway, well, and I'm. 01:49:14
I think it's just to share where where I'm at here. 01:49:16
You know we've. 01:49:20
Discussed. 01:49:21
Ticketing. 01:49:23
And ramping enforcement. 01:49:23
I understand all of us are having different conversations with different people. I felt like I got shouted down every time I 01:49:27
brought that up for the last three meetings. 01:49:31
And I my perception was that people wanted more immediate enforcement and I don't feel like we're trying to. 01:49:35
Go and create, you know, a hostile situation for anybody, if we were to say. 01:49:42
I think that these. 01:49:48
And I'm not not mad about the you, not if you're willing to go and knock the doors. I mean, at the end of the day, that car is 01:49:49
moving. 01:49:52
That's the result that we want, and so I'm perfectly content with that. 01:49:56
It's just like. 01:50:00
Immediate. 01:50:02
Safety violations, I think, should be enforced the process. 01:50:02
Say again, you made less of an enemy in the process. Agreed. 01:50:06
Agreed. 01:50:09
So I mean I guess my. 01:50:10
Concern, and I would love to get the public feedback if the mayor's willing to let the public come up and comment too, is. 01:50:12
Look if somebody's parked right in front of the stop sign. 01:50:19
Or right in front of the fire hydrant. 01:50:22
And we can't knock on the door and get them to move. 01:50:25
Is it better that we just move them? 01:50:27
For the public safety. 01:50:30
Yeah. Yeah, it is so. 01:50:31
I have a unique perspective on this because I so. 01:50:34
In high density, if you were to park on a red curb in front of stop sign, you're towed instantly. So I absolutely believe that 01:50:36
should apply to public growth as well. I mean. 01:50:40
It's creating a safety violation. It's breaking the law. 01:50:45
So I think. 01:50:48
Towing. 01:50:49
Doing that first. 01:50:51
I have no problem with that. 01:50:52
Yeah, anyway we can allow. 01:50:54
The chief deputy to have a policy have a policy that. 01:50:57
Handles it the way they think best. I mean if they can get. 01:51:01
Car to move right now. 01:51:04
Great. If they can't then call it in it. 01:51:05
Yeah. And I'm like I said, I agree with that. I'm totally happy to to. 01:51:07
Facilitate that we can amend the resolution for something like that. 01:51:12
I am of the. 01:51:15
Perception, uh. 01:51:19
That. 01:51:20
These neighborhoods want safer streets immediately, so if that can't be achieved. 01:51:21
Does ticketing actually resolve their concern? 01:51:27
I can tell you. 01:51:30
Like the reason I brought up the dots on the map is because we have been issuing tickets and if you've drive in from. 01:51:32
Everything the deputies are telling me at night that parking is getting better. We're making a difference in those neighborhoods. 01:51:39
So we're getting some, we're getting some movement in the direction that the neighborhood tickets. By chance, do you track that? 01:51:43
Do you know the people are paying for the tickets by chance? 01:51:47
If you have that, I don't have those numbers on these, they go to the justice. The county justice court goes that way. Most people 01:51:53
pay the tickets we give them. 01:51:56
Yeah, easy park. I don't know. I would, yes. It's better than 30% also anyway. 01:51:59
I. 01:52:09
Change this so we would have some leeway. 01:52:11
In in those circumstances, So I'm comfortable with unless mitigating circumstances, mitigating circumstances could be we knocked 01:52:14
on the door that came out and moved their car. 01:52:17
Yeah, yeah, sure. I like that. You know, I think that's that's reasonable if you want to. 01:52:21
To bolster it even further to officer discretion, we could put, you know. 01:52:25
Within officer discretion, I never like to take discretion away from my guys and then I don't feel like this is taking that away. 01:52:30
There's, I think there's very few laws on the books. There's very few laws on the books that tell us we shall do something. We 01:52:38
absolutely have to do it. Most of that, mostly it's domestic violence calls, which is obviously we all want that. 01:52:44
Other than that. 01:52:51
Our deputies and officers have discretion. 01:52:52
Because circumstances are different for everything we come across. Sure. 01:52:55
Any other comments, counsel? Parker asked. 01:53:00
Is there anyone in the audience? 01:53:02
Like to speak to this. 01:53:04
Give us guidance in your all knowing wisdom, David. 01:53:06
Daria. Come on. Well, Darius. 01:53:10
Some speak for all the residents of Vineyard. 01:53:13
I just have a couple little things, Daria Evans, Villas resident. 01:53:17
It's just spelling. 01:53:23
The first paragraph. 01:53:28
It says gardens it should read. 01:53:30
Garden Thank you Diane. Would appreciate also section also Section 1 it. 01:53:32
It says gardens it should read the garden. 01:53:38
And in operation Neighborhood Shield. 01:53:42
The paragraph beginning. 01:53:45
With staff. 01:53:47
Will review Vineyard City code with the City attorney and Chief Deputy Rockwell. 01:53:48
Your last name is Rockwell. 01:53:53
It should not be. 01:53:55
Chief Deputy Holden. 01:53:57
To give him the property, to say his chief deputy, so whoever. 01:53:59
Replaces it later on, but at this moment it's. 01:54:02
It's Chief Deputy Rockwell. You can't leave Holden now. Yeah, well, and then. 01:54:05
Phase Three. 01:54:12
The last sentence. 01:54:13
This phase allows for property owners an opportunity to correct violations voluntarily and for assess students. 01:54:14
But I think we should change it to occupants, because we might not. 01:54:22
Be students and that would limit. 01:54:26
The scope if you just said students. 01:54:28
So those are my suggestions. 01:54:31
And also I like the idea of a full time. 01:54:33
Code enforcement and then adding part-time enforcement as the city grows. Thank you very much. 01:54:36
Can we accept those changes? Yeah, I think those are points well taken. 01:54:41
Robbie grabbed those. 01:54:45
If we did, OK, we don't have to word that out. 01:54:47
OK, sounds good. And then let me ask just Ezra real quick. 01:54:52
With. 01:54:56
Chief Deputy Rockwells. 01:54:57
Amendments. 01:54:59
Does that alleviate your concern? OK. 01:55:01
OK, my. 01:55:04
My only comment is. 01:55:06
I know we're ramping up from nothing. 01:55:08
And I know that you don't want to go. 01:55:10
Bam, like just shock everyone in tow. 01:55:11
But I will say like. 01:55:14
Get there within the next couple weeks of like I think it needs to be come a standard of towing. 01:55:17
Like an expectation of like, hey, we've. 01:55:22
We've given tickets we've. 01:55:26
You know, given warnings like this is going to be a standard moving forward of. 01:55:28
You know, stop signs and everything. 01:55:33
It it it just should be known because we had hundreds of people that were here and when he. 01:55:35
Suggested it they were. They're now expecting it because they are so excited. 01:55:40
In fact, that in my all of my engagements, they're like. 01:55:46
Towing is coming and and so let's give it to him. 01:55:48
Yeah. Thank you. 01:55:52
OK, I'm gonna call from. 01:55:54
You're we only gonna vote on 8.2 and not 8.5 because I had some comments 8.2 just we're gonna put 8.2 Okay yeah 8.2 so I'm gonna 01:55:56
call for vote on 8.2. Do I have a motion? 01:56:02
I motion to accept. 01:56:09
Resolution 2026-19 in support of parking enforcement. 01:56:12
As. 01:56:16
Amended. 01:56:17
Thank you. Awesome. 01:56:18
We will do this by roll call. 01:56:20
Hi, David Luray. 01:56:23
Hi, Jacob Wood, I'm Jake. 01:56:25
Aye, Parker, aye. 01:56:28
Awesome. Resolution passes. That's Councilman Mccumber. Yeah, whatever. Yeah, whatever. 01:56:30
We keep it informal around here. 01:56:35
Not Parker until. Can I start with the neighborhood Commission? 10 more minutes. Yeah, let's do this. I need to. We are needing 01:56:38
to. 01:56:42
OK, let's do 8.3 real quick because this. 01:56:46
Have a little bit of. 01:56:50
DK will use. 01:56:52
David, we. 01:56:54
Kyle, would you explain 8.3? 01:56:55
To the Council. 01:56:57
And to the public real quick, where what the intent is here? 01:57:00
So this is the intent is to encourage volunteerism throughout the city. 01:57:02
And to make. 01:57:07
Or to help. 01:57:09
Vineyard events be more community driven. 01:57:11
Versus city driven? 01:57:14
This creates a. 01:57:16
A Commission that will oversee and and base and base. 01:57:18
Recruit other volunteers and oversee other volunteers to be able to. 01:57:24
Work on Vineyard days. 01:57:29
The tree lighting Christmas. 01:57:31
All, all of the fun events and activities that we do throughout the city. 01:57:33
Walk us through. 01:57:38
We feel a nonprofit is. 01:57:40
Needed here for. 01:57:42
Tax purposes for the cell, donations and so forth, so. 01:57:43
This is as. 01:57:47
I've worked with other cities. 01:57:49
Who have? 01:57:51
Who have similar structures? 01:57:53
Provo has an event nonprofit. They actually branched off from the city and and that's the Freedom Festival. They're now completely 01:57:56
independent. 01:58:00
Orem has. 01:58:04
And the Orem Community Foundation, and not only does that Community Foundation help with. 01:58:06
Their Orem fest, but it also. 01:58:14
Is currently raising money for their. 01:58:17
Monument to. 01:58:20
The fallen soldiers. 01:58:23
So Gold Star. 01:58:24
Yeah, yeah, the Gold Star Memorial. And so this the the nonprofit. 01:58:26
This mission will be to support financially raise money for city events. 01:58:32
And city initiatives and what's great about it is that. 01:58:38
Donors can receive certificate for write off. 01:58:42
On their taxes. 01:58:48
OK, would the intent be? 01:58:49
Sorry, no, go ahead please. Would the intent be that? 01:58:51
One day, the mayor wouldn't chair it, but it would. 01:58:53
It would separate off. 01:58:55
Is this? I don't think that's the ultimate intent. Some. 01:58:57
Do some don't or has never? 01:59:01
But this doesn't spell out. Provo did just because. 01:59:04
The Freedom Festival had be. 01:59:07
Kind of came of a life of its own right, and so they just split away. 01:59:09
Yeah, OK. 01:59:13
Great. 01:59:15
Any questions on 8.3? 01:59:16
Well, is there any conflict with? 01:59:19
A city sponsored. 01:59:21
Commission. 01:59:24
Also. 01:59:25
Running. 01:59:27
A non profit. 01:59:27
No cities run non pro profits. 01:59:29
Quite often. 01:59:32
To help. 01:59:33
With the tax status. 01:59:34
The city itself is a nonprofit, right? So they don't. No, it's a government entity, so there's no. 01:59:36
Paying your taxes or paying money to a city is different for tax purposes, so cities do set up nonprofits quite often. 01:59:41
Just a separate bank account of like who you're giving the money to. 01:59:47
And it has a different organizational correct, it is similar. 01:59:50
To that and there are tax benefits to it. 01:59:54
Correct. 01:59:56
Yeah. Any other questions? 01:59:58
Ezra, you had a question last. 02:00:00
Tuesday. 02:00:03
It was the reason we continued it to this week instead of voting on it last week. I can't remember what it is and I'm trying to 02:00:04
dig through my notes but. 02:00:07
Yes, so the the nonprofit versus the Commission, so we're. 02:00:12
There's two different. 02:00:19
Parts of this resolution 1 is. 02:00:20
Kind of a. 02:00:23
Commission similar to our arch Commission or our. 02:00:24
What other commissions do we have? We've got Bissell Advisory Commission. 02:00:30
Some of those other commissions that. 02:00:33
Run by the city. Operated by the city. 02:00:35
Then you have. 02:00:38
This direction to create a nonprofit. 02:00:40
That's going to be a separate entity from the city. 02:00:43
That. 02:00:46
Is run. 02:00:48
By whom? 02:00:50
So the Commission will actually oversee the running of the nonprofit. 02:00:52
The actual. 02:00:58
Legal, uh. 02:00:59
And how it works legally, that's a. 02:01:01
That's a really a Jesse question I ran. 02:01:03
I ran it past. 02:01:05
The resolution passed Jesse and and and asked to. 02:01:07
A few questions related. 02:01:11
But really, it's to basically keep the nonprofit attached to the city and keep some oversight. 02:01:13
Because it is the official nonprofit of the city. 02:01:18
But also. 02:01:21
This model is basically I. 02:01:25
Modeled it after what Orem is already doing. 02:01:28
So it. 02:01:31
I felt pretty safe. 02:01:32
In the direction we were going. 02:01:34
So. 02:01:36
The So the mayor would still be the. 02:01:37
Head of the entity for now. 02:01:40
For now, yeah, I mean that. 02:01:42
Was the idea. 02:01:44
OK, so. 02:01:45
So the mayor is the head. 02:01:47
The Commission is the. 02:01:49
Board. The seven member commissions. The Board. 02:01:52
And the council? The mayor? 02:01:56
The mayor appoints a chair. So from, well, the resolution, as it read last week, was that the mayor. 02:01:59
Brings recommendations and they're appointed by the council. 02:02:04
So we would vote on all of the appointees to be on the Advisory Board. 02:02:07
Yeah, here it says. The mayor's gonna. 02:02:11
Designated Chair of the Commission. 02:02:13
So the mayor is not. 02:02:15
On the. 02:02:17
Foundation. 02:02:19
As a we would not be able to, yeah, correct the mayor. 02:02:20
The Commission points the Commission, and that Commission is the Board of the Foundation because. 02:02:23
Comprises the the board of the Foundation. 02:02:29
OK. Do we have a charter for the foundation already? 02:02:31
No, that's to be drawn up. 02:02:36
And it'll have to be submitted to the IRS for approval. 02:02:38
Yeah. 02:02:41
So what is this action? 02:02:43
Here doing right now, is it basically saying go ahead and explore this idea? 02:02:45
And then you'll bring us a charter. Who? The president? The treasurer? 02:02:49
All those things in and then we as a council can officially take action to create this nonprofit. My understanding it's 02:02:53
authorizing the creation, which would necessitate that they write the charter, they submit it to the IRS, but then. 02:02:59
All of the appointees would come to us for vote. 02:03:05
Who is they writing the charter? If the that would be our committee. 02:03:09
Your internal team. 02:03:14
He said that the attorney. 02:03:15
The attorney OK. 02:03:17
Jesse, do you feel good with this? 02:03:19
This is to facilitate the creation of a nonprofit. It's like to start to begin the Commission. Yes, what I would. 02:03:21
You know his model after ASD or Orem City or? 02:03:26
Provo or other entities so. 02:03:30
Some of your. 02:03:32
Questions are quite technical. 02:03:33
Nonprofits can be set up in a. 02:03:36
And loosely the way that you would want them to set up, but I would give you examples of how others were. 02:03:40
Would be set up, but I'm comfortable. 02:03:44
Going forward with the creation. 02:03:46
And then as we move forward, we can do other resolutions as to how. 02:03:48
Is going to be. 02:03:52
LED what the leadership looks like. 02:03:53
And how people are appointed. 02:03:56
So this is just a started. 02:03:58
Yeah, I'm great with the framework. I would just love to know. 02:04:02
To kind of firm up. 02:04:06
Making sure we have kind of all the documents in place of. 02:04:08
What exactly the mission is? What can they collect money for? What can't they collect money for? Just have that all outlined 02:04:11
before. 02:04:14
Giving just like carte blanche. 02:04:18
Go create a nonprofit for. 02:04:20
Israel, if you heard the end of what Jesse was saying, because you started talking while he was still talking. 02:04:22
But what he said was this essentially gives you. 02:04:28
The permission to get started and then we would create. 02:04:30
Codes or additional resolutions to. 02:04:33
Address all of those things. 02:04:35
It doesn't say it creates us to facilitate the creation of, so it's a place to start. It's just the start. 02:04:37
Yeah, and that is what I understood, Mr. Riddle to just clarify. 02:04:42
We just need to. 02:04:48
Davis, Jesse was talking about. 02:04:50
David Pierce. 02:04:53
Mr. Mayor, kind of have to agree with Ezra on. 02:04:56
On the issue of definitions, because the definitions. 02:05:00
Affect the Commission itself. 02:05:08
Not the nonprofit. 02:05:11
Profit The nonprofit should have the definitions of what it supports and what it. 02:05:12
What it doesn't support? 02:05:17
But I think in Section 2. 02:05:20
The purpose? 02:05:22
More sharply defined instead of just giving a couple. 02:05:24
Of examples for instance. 02:05:27
As a community event is a discrete event. 02:05:30
What time restrictions from here to here it's. 02:05:34
No longer. 02:05:38
Then you know, then a week or. 02:05:39
Or whatever. 02:05:43
The condition set, but that I think that should be more closely defined. 02:05:45
Maybe if I could offer a suggestion so in Section 5. 02:05:52
Rather than saying the Commission is hereby authorized with oversight from the Marin City Council. 02:05:55
To facilitate the creation. 02:06:00
That. 02:06:02
We change that so that the City Council and the mayor are. 02:06:05
Facility facilitating the creation or creating it with the support of the Commission or something like that. 02:06:10
I actually like. 02:06:16
I actually like that it's a Commission of people because it creates. 02:06:19
That's a lot of just where I'm going to sit down and think about how to create a nonprofit. I think you can get. 02:06:25
David Pearce and. 02:06:31
Just I would just recommend to the mayor, just get a wide swath of people that just say. 02:06:32
Who want to be involved in this, but that we come back and approve. 02:06:38
Like we're the approving entity before anything happens, if that makes sense. 02:06:41
Just Jesse had a comment. I'm gonna turn the mic over to Jesse. Go ahead, Mr. Riddle. 02:06:45
Again, I think. 02:06:50
We're at the inception of a process. 02:06:52
And the way I would. 02:06:55
Start the process is go and review. 02:06:57
What other entities have done I would talk to. 02:06:59
For example, Orem city attorney and. 02:07:03
Maybe ASD's attorney. I know of both and. 02:07:05
Ask them how they run it, how they operate it, who's on their board. 02:07:08
And things of that. 02:07:12
I haven't paid much. 02:07:14
Attention to the Commission part of this. 02:07:15
I've just been. 02:07:17
Mostly focusing on the nonprofit. I hope that's helpful. 02:07:18
That's super helpful. I I would. 02:07:22
Support uh. 02:07:24
Kind of doing a little bit more research on that. 02:07:25
And trying to gather some of those structures. I just want to make sure. 02:07:28
Like this is going to be something that. 02:07:31
Outlast all of us here. 02:07:34
If done properly and so I just want to make sure we're. 02:07:37
Being deliberate about what we're doing here. 02:07:41
And I'd like to also adjust the wording of Section 5 to say, you know. 02:07:43
The mayor and the City Council directs. 02:07:46
The Commission. 02:07:49
To facilitate creation and so forth. So we retain. 02:07:51
You know the control in the Council. 02:07:54
He said so the council directs. 02:07:57
The Commission to. 02:08:00
As opposed to. 02:08:02
We were authorizing to go off and do it. So it becomes they become authorized. We don't limit the authorization. 02:08:03
Well, it does specify with oversight from the mayor and council. It does say oversight. Yes, it says. 02:08:08
The Commission is hereby authorized, with oversight from the mayor and council, to facilitate the creation of a nonprofit 02:08:13
organization. 02:08:16
To be known as the Vineyard Community Foundation, is that the same thing as directing them? 02:08:20
And then retain that. 02:08:24
Authority as a question for Mr. Riddle. 02:08:25
Authorizing direct director. 02:08:32
A little bit different. 02:08:34
When you give me the authority, the other one, you tell me exactly what to do. 02:08:36
And maybe where to go? 02:08:41
I guess my question on it then is we're authorizing a Commission. 02:08:43
To create a nonprofit, but we don't have a Commission. 02:08:47
But we're creating the Commission with this, right? 02:08:51
Yeah, yeah, yeah. More or less. I mean, it's why don't you change it? 02:08:55
To authorize the mayor to do it. 02:08:59
Because I. 02:09:01
Report to the mayor. 02:09:02
So just authorize the mayor to create a nonprofit. 02:09:04
And then he can authorize me to. 02:09:08
Do that task. 02:09:11
So we'd be just separating out the creation of the nonprofit from the Commission. 02:09:13
Correct. 02:09:18
I would. 02:09:19
Yes, yeah. 02:09:21
I'd be good with that. 02:09:22
OK. Yeah, me too. Yeah. 02:09:23
Awesome. 02:09:25
I can support that. 02:09:27
OK. We're transferring alignment. 02:09:28
One of my comment. 02:09:32
I do have. 02:09:34
Just a question. 02:09:37
You're going to appoint. 02:09:42
The mayor is going to appoint. 02:09:43
The Chairman of the Commission. 02:09:46
I don't have. 02:09:49
Myself personally a problem with that. 02:09:50
City code tends to have. 02:09:55
Commission's councils and boards select their own leadership Chairman, Vice Chair. 02:09:57
Secretary. 02:10:03
Just curious stuff. 02:10:05
Why that is? 02:10:08
Selecting the chair and again why the mail have any issue with that? 02:10:10
Why? It's in the past of the mayor selects the chair. 02:10:15
Yeah. 02:10:19
I might remember it was really controversial. 02:10:20
Five or six years ago, I. 02:10:22
Yeah, the mayor retained that power. 02:10:25
I I see wisdom and. 02:10:27
But that's how it's been. 02:10:30
I don't think that's his. 02:10:33
How it was always been and it's probably could be looked into. 02:10:35
Yeah, but. 02:10:38
I think something's always been done a certain way, doesn't mean it's too much change. 02:10:39
What you're saying is your post Commission. Post commissions, they choose their own chairs. 02:10:44
Of this yeah code. 02:10:48
Yeah, and again, I. 02:10:51
Personally I don't have an issue with that, but. 02:10:53
And I, I like this the norm. So I'm just curious because you already have that the Commission's going to consist of the seven 02:10:56
members. They're going to be. 02:11:00
Appointed by the mayor with the advice and consent of the City Council, which means all of those people come to the council for a 02:11:05
vote. 02:11:08
Let those people. 02:11:12
Will elect their own leadership. That's fine with me. If you guys are good with that, I like that. 02:11:13
Sorry. It's a point well taken. I think, David, appreciate it. So it makes it improves it though? Yeah, it does, yeah. 02:11:17
Give them ownership and. 02:11:23
And maybe. 02:11:24
To help solve some of the leadership issues. 02:11:25
Have a member of the City Council. 02:11:28
As one of the but. 02:11:31
Members. 02:11:32
Of the Commission, something like that, Yeah, there's kind of. 02:11:34
Yeah, make sure it's moving along and so forth. 02:11:37
OK, OK. 02:11:41
Are we in the point where I can call? I can support it, yeah. 02:11:42
Real quick. 02:11:46
So as part of starting the the nonprofit piece. 02:11:46
As you, the mayor. 02:11:50
Taking charge of creating it. 02:11:52
Will you bring that charter back to the City Council for a vote, or will the Commission adopt the charter? 02:11:54
What it what? 02:12:00
That's council want me to do. I would love to have the council adopt the charter just so we can make sure. 02:12:01
We're not opening a can of worms and having to spin off into spring it into who knows what, some Frankenstein who knows what. 02:12:06
20 years down the road. 02:12:13
Yep, I can. I can support that. 02:12:15
OK, happy to do that. 02:12:17
OK, this is going to be a Franken resolution, and you know it's coming all right. 02:12:20
All right, so we're going to How about this? 02:12:25
Who? Who feels comfortable making a motion? 02:12:27
I move to adopt resolution. 02:12:36
2026-20 to form a community events nonprofit. 02:12:38
With the amendments. 02:12:43
That the mayor. 02:12:46
Will direct the creation of a nonprofit. 02:12:48
The Commission. 02:12:50
Will come back to the City Council for a vote. 02:12:52
The members appointed by the mayor. 02:12:56
Will serve under the advice and consent of the City Council with a vote. 02:12:59
And an amendment that. 02:13:05
The Commission will elect its own chairperson. 02:13:08
And Vice Chair. 02:13:12
And Vice Chair. 02:13:13
Awesome, do I have a second? 02:13:15
Second, all right, let's do roll call. 02:13:17
Parker. 02:13:20
Hi, Jake, Jacob, I. 02:13:20
David, hi. 02:13:23
And Ezra? 02:13:25
Aye, OK. 02:13:26
Resolution passes. 02:13:27
As amended. 02:13:29
OK, jumping down to 8.5. 02:13:31
It is 805. We can go ahead and skip that. That's not it. 02:13:36
Put on the agenda, but it's not a resolution. 02:13:40
OK, so so. 02:13:42
Perhaps what we should do is. 02:13:44
Turn this into a work session. Should we do that? Turn this into work session item. 02:13:45
Do you want to continue it? We need to vote on 8.4 though, right? 02:13:51
5 minutes past 88.4 is nothing to vote on. 02:13:54
8.5. 02:13:59
8.4. 02:14:01
Sorry, it's not a resolution. 02:14:03
It's just we're not going to vote on it. 02:14:05
Do it. It's not it's it's I'm sorry. 02:14:07
It was a work session document. Yeah, OK. 02:14:10
So we don't need to talk about. 02:14:13
OK. And we're done. 02:14:15
8.5. 02:14:18
8.4 is being moved to the work. 02:14:20
No 8.4. 02:14:23
Was accidentally left on here is what correct. Yes, that's it was that's something that we discussed at both of the previous two 02:14:25
council meetings. 02:14:28
Really. Three Do we need Thursday? Specialty voted on it. 02:14:32
No, no, it's administrative action. Oh, I see. 02:14:35
Because it was not a resolution item. 02:14:38
2 Mr. Pierce has a. 02:14:41
Question or comment, Mayor David, please. 02:14:43
Come on up, Sir. 02:14:47
Excuse me? 02:14:56
I lost my page here. 02:14:57
You mentioned the name of an employee. 02:15:04
On the code enforcement staffing. 02:15:06
And I'm not sure. 02:15:09
That's germane. 02:15:11
To the. 02:15:14
To the subject of. 02:15:16
The document. 02:15:18
And I'm. 02:15:19
Personally not sure that's appropriate. 02:15:20
To mention the name. 02:15:23
Of a specific employee. 02:15:24
Especially. 02:15:28
From. 02:15:29
The point of view. 02:15:30
That it almost seems like it's. 02:15:32
This employee's fault. 02:15:34
That there is an issue. 02:15:37
Well, I I would ask that. 02:15:40
Do we know what page that paragraph one? 02:15:43
Would be stricken. 02:15:45
And the word. 02:15:48
Her departure create. 02:15:50
OK. Thank you. Good catch. That was not the intent, but thank you for catching that, bringing that to our attention. It's on page 02:15:53
46 in the packet. 02:15:57
OK. Thank you, David. 02:16:01
Be done. I have one comment. 02:16:04
Yeah, let's do one comment. 02:16:06
Here. 02:16:07
I think we need. 02:16:08
Before. 02:16:09
Well, let's do What are we going to do with 8.5? 02:16:10
So 8.4 was whatever, 8.5 what would you? 02:16:13
What would you like to do? Is that ready 8.5? 02:16:17
I have some issues with 8.5. My sense with 8.5 is it would be best to. 02:16:21
Move that to work session. 02:16:26
I know, right? 02:16:28
But you guys decide my my comment on it is. 02:16:29
What a wonderful thing that happened last week where neighborhoods got together. I don't know about your work group. 02:16:33
But our neighborhood. 02:16:39
You know. 02:16:41
Office smelling like pot. 02:16:43
They all came together. 02:16:46
And we said, who should be your leader and who can unite and find consensus? 02:16:48
And bring two parties together to find a resolution. And I think in our meeting the the conversation changed. It wasn't. 02:16:54
I'm petitioning to get what I want. 02:17:03
Fighting someone else that they want. 02:17:05
And so I think on creating a neighborhood Commission. 02:17:07
I think the wording could. 02:17:11
Be improved and we could do a work session on it. 02:17:12
Helping them solve their own problems, helping find unity. And I think we've gotten so much respect and that's probably why they 02:17:15
slowed down and took so much time to find consensus. I don't know how you can word that, but like, I don't like the idea of coming 02:17:21
in. 02:17:26
Having like a political appointee from like either us or the mayor of like picking someone because it's so. 02:17:31
Beautiful of what we saw where? 02:17:37
Straight to jail. 02:17:41
You know, who do you want? You know? 02:17:43
So I think that's. 02:17:44
I don't know how you put that into a document. I I think I. 02:17:46
Mayor I move with that we. 02:17:49
Continue item 8.5. Yeah, just wait till the next appropriate work session. 02:17:51
Thank you. 02:17:55
Zero second, I'll second that. 02:17:57
Do we have a second by Council? 02:18:00
Councilman Wood? You seconded. 02:18:03
So would that just be April 7th just for clarity? 02:18:05
Or what day is that? I am concerned that it doesn't necessarily need to be continued and it can be killed. 02:18:08
It could be. 02:18:14
Well, no. Some of these groups are going to come before us and they need to. 02:18:16
Yes, elect their leaders and stuff in the next couple weeks, but that is not necessarily the same thing as creating the neighbor 02:18:19
correct mission previously. 02:18:23
Presented uh. 02:18:28
And IA lot. 02:18:29
All of the conversations that I've had with residents around the neighborhood Commission is. 02:18:30
A concern about it just being an added layer of bureaucracy that's unnecessary. And the reality is that we talked about this 02:18:34
previously. 02:18:37
And these these people are still going to come to the City Council if they want to come to the City Council. So what purpose does 02:18:41
it actually serve? And. 02:18:44
We have a good idea of what we want it to accomplish. 02:18:47
But I don't think there's community buy in to want to see that happen or to participate in it. 02:18:51
Seems to me we need we need to fix it because right now we don't have honest representation there that whoever comes, comes right. 02:18:56
And I think we need to go back to something like the traffic calming. 02:19:03
Process that we already have in code. 02:19:07
That allows residents to gather signatures. 02:19:09
And to go for certain percentages. 02:19:13
I would think that if we if we want to modify the the. 02:19:15
Acceptable signature. 02:19:18
Level from 75% exciting to down to something more like 60% or 50 even 51%. 02:19:20
Then you know we can at least get. 02:19:26
You know, make sure we have honest representation that does represent that group. 02:19:28
As a whole. 02:19:33
Not just a lot of this guy, yeah. 02:19:36
I'm with Parker on this one, I think. 02:19:37
There's certain. 02:19:40
Situations where we need to. 02:19:41
Look at potentially not just doing things by the majority especially in the cheminat were. 02:19:43
We've already got 56% as of December 2024. 02:19:47
Of the households that are rental units and so it. 02:19:51
That's really what. 02:19:54
In my in my mind spurred this discussion in the 1st place, recognizing that. 02:19:55
Having these kind of blanket. 02:19:59
You have to get this many signatures, you have to do this percentage of things. It makes it really difficult to. 02:20:01
Be able to craft good policy in a unique way that's kind of tailored to the needs of the community? Sure. 02:20:06
So we had a motion on the table. 02:20:12
To continue it. 02:20:14
Continuously, yeah. And seconded. 02:20:16
OK. So you're asking to amend? 02:20:19
To amend it to amendment. 02:20:22
My thought was. 02:20:24
Do we want to proceed with this at all? 02:20:26
And if not, let's not continue it. Let's. 02:20:29
As a counter motion probably help you. 02:20:31
I was just going to counter to. 02:20:34
Strike it, which was a strike it. 02:20:35
So let's should we? 02:20:38
In the in the future though, if that's a consensus to strike it and I'm OK. 02:20:39
The same policy or approaches. 02:20:44
Instead of coming here and screaming, you know, like it, the public comment period. 02:20:47
If the problem does arise, we're going to. 02:20:51
Build a consensus. Bring an entire neighborhood. 02:20:54
And they're. 02:20:58
There's got to be some sort. I don't know if a leader or appointed leader. That's what I don't like. 02:20:59
I like finds. 02:21:03
Organ, you know, volunteers to organize the voice. I don't know how you call that. 02:21:04
And to bring dictates a residence how they. 02:21:10
Approach their government like. 02:21:14
They can come and scream at us, they can protest on the streets, they can do a lot. 02:21:15
I think what we say is not going to matter in that. The other nuance is that. 02:21:19
Really, this is a volunteer effort if somebody wants to do that, right? So like, we can't make somebody go hang Flyers. 02:21:23
No, yeah. And it certainly helps in our decision making. I mean when now? 02:21:29
All these communities that have. 02:21:34
Set up their leaders. When their leaders come and say, hey, we've talked to the community. 02:21:35
I'm definitely gonna weigh that in my decision to say. 02:21:39
This is an added bonus of. 02:21:41
And we all we already have a traffic calming process in our code. 02:21:44
Which would accommodate that like it would give authority to them if they. 02:21:47
They have a solution and they want to. 02:21:51
Get everyone behind it and they get enough people behind it then that. 02:21:52
It makes it easier helping our side. 02:21:55
If it's going to work or not. 02:21:58
It's OK and they'd still work through Jacob Wood on that issue like. 02:21:59
As an the appointed person to kind of organize whoever, whoever council appoints. 02:22:03
Awesome. So I'm gonna. 02:22:08
I'm gonna call for a vote or call for a motion to strike. 02:22:10
To strike, yeah. 02:22:14
You have one. 02:22:16
Second one to have it, is it second I second? 02:22:17
OK. And. 02:22:20
Let's do this by roll call Parker. 02:22:21
Hi Jake, I want to hear can we have Jacob would vote first so I know. 02:22:23
That's gonna no that's not allowed. Hey this is DKS thing not. 02:22:29
I don't think we need a roll call to strike all in favor. 02:22:33
Aye. 02:22:38
We're going to strike it correct, Correct. 02:22:40
Motion to strike passes. 02:22:45
OK. 02:22:47
That's all we got tonight, guys. Can I make my comment now? Right before we're twisted? Yep. 02:22:50
I just want to say that I believe, I feel. 02:22:55
I've had a lot of residents come out and talk about. 02:22:58
How professional you've conducted the meetings? 02:23:01
Mayor, I love how you allow throughout the entire meeting public comment. 02:23:03
And. 02:23:08
I respect you for that and I think. 02:23:10
Citizens are growing. 02:23:12
In that trust and more people are coming. 02:23:13
And I. 02:23:16
I think that we're growing up as a council, so I appreciate your I move to continue all the other comments to next week's meeting. 02:23:19
You're here, you're here. 02:23:22
You're here for Jake. 02:23:28
Thank you for your appreciate. You're doing a good job. We will adjourn. 02:23:29
Showing respect. 02:23:33
It makes it harder, but it's a lot of respect. Next week is is spring break. 02:23:36
Next week is spring break. What's everyone's plan? Y'all going to be trying to take a vacation? 02:23:42
I'm here, my kids aren't in school yet. 02:23:48

Transcript

Event transcript
We're out of pens. 00:09:15
Well they they have them on sale on Amazon for like you can buy like 100 for 10 bucks so. 00:09:18
All righty guys, welcome out to City Council meeting this evening. It is March 31st, 20266. Let's see, what is it? Is it 6:00? 00:09:26
Yep, 6:00 PM I'm Mayor Zach Stratton. 00:09:32
I'll be presiding in this meeting and. 00:09:39
We are going to jump right into the opening prayer and the pledge. I'm going to turn the time over to Ezra to lead us out in that. 00:09:41
Our Heavenly Father, we're grateful for the opportunity we have to. 00:09:56
Be here tonight to deliberate the needs of the city we're grateful for. 00:09:59
Thy hand in and all our dealings and. 00:10:04
We pray that though. 00:10:06
Would guide us in. 00:10:08
Thy spirit as we make decisions this evening. 00:10:10
We're grateful for. 00:10:13
Our government and the opportunity that we have to live in a free country, we're so grateful for. 00:10:15
Leadership at many levels and. 00:10:20
And pray for their their safety is. 00:10:22
They seek to help others. 00:10:26
We're grateful for. 00:10:28
This time, this evening, and say these things in the name of thy Son, Jesus Christ, Amen. Amen. 00:10:30
What you say? 00:10:38
Please join me in the Pledge of Allegiance. 00:10:41
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. 00:10:43
And to the Republic for which it stands. 00:10:47
One nation under God. 00:10:50
Indivisible with liberty and justice for all. 00:10:52
Thank you. Thank you. 00:10:56
All right, you made it. 00:10:57
And you're not even wearing a hat today. 00:11:00
You do have your hat, OK. 00:11:02
All righty. 00:11:05
We are going to start off the meeting this evening by doing a public hearing to amend the consolidated fee schedule for the tough 00:11:08
transportation utility fee. 00:11:12
And Vineyard days. 00:11:17
Do we need a motion to go into a public hearing or can we just go straight into this? 00:11:19
We do. I yeah, I believe so. Moved. 00:11:25
Do I have a second? 00:11:27
Second, awesome. All in favor. 00:11:28
Aye, OK. Motion passes. 00:11:31
Alrighty, let's turn the time over to anyone in the public who would like to to talk about. 00:11:34
This amendment to the consolidated fee schedule. 00:11:40
Please come on down. 00:11:45
Do us. 00:11:47
Go ahead. 00:11:49
Yeah, should we? Yeah, let's talk about what the change, Yes, let's do context for. Thank you so much so. 00:11:51
OK, we we good. Do you want to kind of go over the the the proposed changes DK of the? 00:12:02
Of the. 00:12:07
Consolidated fee schedule and the Vineyard days. 00:12:09
Yes, I can do that. Thank you, Sir. OK. 00:12:12
OK. So it's proposed that. 00:12:16
We changed the Vineyard Day vendors. 00:12:19
Move the maximum fee for vendors from $100 to $200. 00:12:24
Car show participants, which is a new. 00:12:30
Event. 00:12:35
Or 4 Vineyard dates charge $10 per participant. 00:12:36
We have also a new. 00:12:42
Addition to the Vineyard Days parade, which is a motorized participant. 00:12:46
Business and that's $100. 00:12:50
I also and I failed to skipped over one page. 00:12:54
OK Umm. Uh. 00:12:57
Which is the first part of the. 00:13:00
Transportation. Should I? I'll just continue so Page 1. 00:13:01
Sorry, it was printed front and back and I didn't notice. 00:13:05
So transportation utility fee the proposal is to eliminate the transportation. 00:13:08
Utility fee. 00:13:15
Take it to $0.00. 00:13:16
Per Eru. 00:13:18
Back going back to Vineyard days, the proposal is. 00:13:23
To charge motorized. 00:13:26
Parade participants. Nonprofits. 00:13:28
$50. 00:13:32
And motorized parade participants from schools $25. 00:13:33
Let me make sure I. 00:13:39
Got all that? 00:13:41
Yes. 00:13:41
So those are the proposed changes. OK, awesome. Thank you so much. 00:13:42
Any discussion from council on that before we open up for public comment? 00:13:46
Just to make sure resident the residential fees removed as long as along with the business residential and business fees. 00:13:51
They're all removed. 00:13:58
Yeah, OK. 00:14:00
Awesome. 00:14:01
Yes, please. Come on down. 00:14:02
Daria Evans, Vineyard resident also Villas resident. I just want to. 00:14:08
Clarify what I just heard. 00:14:13
Are we? 00:14:15
Making it now that there is no. 00:14:16
Tough no transportation utility fee for residents and businesses. 00:14:19
This is. 00:14:25
In perpetuity. 00:14:26
No, no fee for. 00:14:29
Road maintenance. 00:14:32
What are we just going to? 00:14:34
Rely on B&C Class Rd. funds. 00:14:37
To maintain our roads throughout the city. 00:14:39
That's that's a great question. Thank you so much for that. So. 00:14:44
And also I just want to ask. 00:14:48
To go along with that. 00:14:50
How many businesses were affected by the? 00:14:51
Greater amount. 00:14:55
Based on the square footage, how many really were? 00:14:57
In a world of hurt. 00:15:00
Because of that. 00:15:01
Sure. And. 00:15:02
Yeah. I just want to know how we're going to fund Rd. maintenance if we are just going to $0.00. Thank you so much. 00:15:05
Parker, you really dug into this. Do you want to respond to that or do you want me to? 00:15:11
Yes, I would be happy to. 00:15:15
Although I don't have any fancy comments prepared so we're going off the cuff. There we go. 00:15:18
So. 00:15:25
I have been an advocate for removing the transportation utility fee. 00:15:26
Since the day I learned it was enacted. 00:15:30
There I'm going to address both your questions, but just to share the context really quickly. 00:15:34
After those first. 00:15:39
Businesses receive their utility bills. 00:15:41
And word started coming out about it. 00:15:44
Obviously there were some really big egregious ones and that would be most of the ones that were 1600 N area or larger. 00:15:48
Like the megaplex was like $7000 a month. 00:15:54
Which? 00:15:59
Those kind of fees, I think one are egregious and not representative of the actual. 00:16:00
Problem they were trying to solve. 00:16:05
The as you saw in the work sessions and the council meetings where we had the. 00:16:07
Civil engineering firm. 00:16:13
And the contractors that. 00:16:15
Did the studies come out on that? 00:16:16
The root cause of the road damage is. 00:16:19
The Heavy. 00:16:22
Construction vehicles, trucks using the roads and putting wear on them. 00:16:23
One of the things that I felt was. 00:16:28
Most egregious about this was. 00:16:30
For example that one that went. 00:16:32
Pretty viral on Facebook. The $5000 fee that was the same as their lease. 00:16:34
Previously. 00:16:39
Those people use 900 feet. 00:16:41
Of vineyards, roads. 00:16:44
I mean from entering Vineyard to their place of work. 00:16:46
And it's all residential. I mean residential vehicles like cars, commuter traffic. 00:16:49
That's not. 00:16:55
Reflective. 00:16:56
Of an appropriately structured fee in my opinion. 00:16:58
The second aspect of that is that it's not a friendly. 00:17:01
Tool to use to incentivize business and where we know we have. 00:17:06
Huge. 00:17:10
Pains and issues with the residency when it comes to property taxes and we have to build and bolster our sales tax to alleviate 00:17:11
that burden. 00:17:15
We have to make Vineyard as friendly as possible for more businesses to come into Vineyard. 00:17:18
And so removing the transportation utility fee, I think aids in that. 00:17:23
It wasn't just. 00:17:27
Large businesses, though, that were. 00:17:28
Affected by that, by the square footage I mean. 00:17:30
For example, I reached out to. 00:17:33
The yard development where we have the strip mall or those. 00:17:35
Like the restaurants over there you got? 00:17:40
Mopeds, Little Caesars, The chiropractic office. 00:17:42
Some of those. 00:17:46
Businesses have already gone. 00:17:47
Out of Vineyard because of fees that were associated. 00:17:49
Not just with the city, but with that developments and their common. 00:17:51
Area usage fees. 00:17:55
So adding the tough on top of it. 00:17:57
All of those. 00:17:59
I shouldn't say all because I didn't talk to all of them. 00:18:01
All of the ones that I spoke with said when our leases up were out of this fee stays. 00:18:03
So there was no. 00:18:08
Chance. 00:18:10
That. 00:18:11
The studies conducted on these fees. 00:18:12
We're actually going to generate the revenue that they said that they were going to generate. 00:18:14
Because every single one of those businesses intended to leave. 00:18:19
When they started getting the additional bills. 00:18:22
So I think that this is 1 and important step. 00:18:25
In making Vineyard more business friendly. 00:18:28
Two to answer your questions more specifically. 00:18:31
As we dig into the budget and we look at. 00:18:34
Where we have levers to pull and how we can. 00:18:36
Balance this. 00:18:39
I'll just be very upfront. I'm operating from the perspective. 00:18:40
That. 00:18:44
We don't have a. 00:18:45
Revenue problem. 00:18:48
Or a tax problem. 00:18:49
We have a spending problem. 00:18:51
We need to cut the spending. 00:18:53
In line with what revenues we can generate in a reasonable manner. 00:18:56
So when we look at how we're going to fund. 00:19:00
The roads, there's some additional levers that we can pull one. 00:19:02
If we get the rest of our expenses in check and I think that we're pretty much on track to see. 00:19:05
About a 15% reduction in our overall. 00:19:10
Spend from last year's. 00:19:13
Fiscal year budget. 00:19:15
If we can actually achieve that, that frees up a lot of money to help with the road maintenance. 00:19:17
Additionally. 00:19:21
I've reached out to our RDA director about this. 00:19:22
A couple months ago and I've talked to some of our. 00:19:26
Administrative staff and finance director about can we use? 00:19:28
RDA monies. 00:19:32
To maintain or build the infrastructure that is still active in the RDA and to my understanding, we can use. 00:19:34
Some of those monies for some of those things under certain. 00:19:43
Purposes and guidances. 00:19:45
I'm not the legal expert on that, so I'm going to not comment too in depth on it just because I don't necessarily have the best 00:19:47
understanding of where those nuances lie. 00:19:51
But it seems that we're actually, I think, in a position where we can leverage a lot of that stuff that hasn't been done 00:19:57
previously to alleviate some of this burden. 00:20:00
I think with a structured approach like that. 00:20:06
And also. 00:20:09
You know, kind of cutting where our. 00:20:10
Frivolous, more frivolous expenses are across the budget as a whole will be in a position to cover the expenses. Now, that's not 00:20:12
to say that it's going to be. 00:20:17
Easy. 00:20:21
And maybe the road quality will be a little bit worse. 00:20:23
But I would much rather. 00:20:26
Deal with a slightly bumpy Rd. on occasion. 00:20:28
Then continually tax ourselves out of prosperity. 00:20:32
I hope that all made sense. 00:20:37
Thank you, Parker. 00:20:39
Any other comments? 00:20:40
On this from Council. 00:20:43
Kim, please come on up, Sir. Thank you. 00:20:45
That was loud. 00:20:52
Yeah, I heard the. 00:20:56
The comments about heavy duty vehicles, those primarily that are working in subdivisions that are being developed or projects that 00:20:57
are being developed. 00:21:00
But I didn't hear anything about. 00:21:04
Them bearing any kind of. 00:21:06
Cost in association with that. 00:21:07
Wear and tear that they're putting on the roads when the rest of us are barely touching it. 00:21:10
May I? 00:21:14
Please go ahead. Yes, so. 00:21:15
Those development agreements. 00:21:18
Are all largely in place, so the transportation utility fee isn't something that we can use. 00:21:21
Directly to. 00:21:26
Better address that issue. 00:21:30
So we need to look at another Ave. to do that and that's I think part of why. 00:21:32
We've had the discussions both. 00:21:36
In public, and I know that the mayor's been working on this as well. 00:21:38
Renegotiating the impact fees and the agreements that we're having with. 00:21:41
The developers that are active in Vineyard and putting that wear on the infrastructure. 00:21:46
Because we. 00:21:50
I mean, ultimately. 00:21:51
Even if those impact fees don't directly fund. 00:21:52
The road maintenance. 00:21:55
What they do do is alleviate a financial burden somewhere else that allows us to use the general fund then to. 00:21:57
Cover down on the road maintenance. 00:22:02
Thank you. 00:22:05
Any other comments? 00:22:07
Counsel. 00:22:10
OK. 00:22:12
I would just echo the. 00:22:14
The mayor's done a phenomenal job. 00:22:15
Shrinking the size of our government. I know he'll have further. 00:22:19
Information on that in terms of what he's going to request in the upcoming annual budget? 00:22:22
And I know the. 00:22:26
The reorganization has been. 00:22:27
Extremely successful in that and we always increase in revenue, I mean anywhere between 800,000 and a million and if you look at 00:22:29
the cost reductions. 00:22:34
That the mayor has done. I feel confident how it comes together is going to be Parker, you know, putting it together and if he's 00:22:39
got confidence to be able to make it happen. I the numbers are there. 00:22:43
And there's further cuts that we think we could make. 00:22:48
And I just think looking at the. 00:22:53
What they're thinking about doing? It's possible. 00:22:56
And I would rather and same thing. 00:22:59
You can look up and down. 00:23:01
A Geneva road and everyone's chosen the other side of the road. 00:23:03
And they looked at the current landscape and for us to go at a tough. 00:23:08
It's like, wow, they already weren't picking us so. 00:23:13
Piling it on. 00:23:16
We've got to be more competitive to get them to our side of Geneva Rd. so. 00:23:17
Thank you. 00:23:23
Any other comments? 00:23:23
Councilman Nair, yes, I do have. 00:23:26
Quite a few. 00:23:28
Do we want to close the public hearing first? Do we have anyone else from the public who wants to? Yeah. Do we have anyone else? 00:23:30
Yeah, we could, but. 00:23:40
Yeah, yeah. 00:23:42
The reason I asked is I know it's going to be on here later as a as a business item where we can do that. But if we're in the 00:23:43
public hearing and we're already talking about it, can we just continue the conversation And that way if somebody has a question 00:23:48
when it comes up, they can just come participate still? Sure, sure. I would like this to be as open to the public as possible. 00:23:53
Yeah, for sure. Yeah. 00:23:58
So. 00:24:02
I did not vote for this when this was adopted late last year. 00:24:04
Primarily because at the time. 00:24:09
I was still kind of vying to be. This was my very first meeting where this was adopted and. 00:24:12
I had read through a lot, but I hadn't had. 00:24:16
Enough time to dig into the actual study of the transportation utility fee. 00:24:18
And. 00:24:22
Just from first glance it looked. 00:24:24
Excessive. 00:24:26
Mostly because of the structure of it. 00:24:28
For residents, we had a nice flat rate for businesses that kind of scaled based on size. 00:24:31
And. 00:24:36
I know there was some urgency. Based on what? 00:24:38
Some of the members of the state legislature were pushing that. 00:24:40
Basically required certain. 00:24:44
Certain activities that happen before implementing a fee. 00:24:47
To to make sure that those fees directly tied to the impacts. 00:24:52
That businesses or residents had on the roads. 00:24:58
So. So with that, I chose not to vote for that. 00:25:01
But I am concerned. 00:25:06
With getting rid of it entirely. 00:25:09
I know the business. 00:25:11
Communities, it's too high. 00:25:13
This structure, like I said before, is. It's not. 00:25:15
Relevant to where it's not directly correlated with the impact that they have on the road. So I do, I do want to. 00:25:18
Significantly lower that. 00:25:26
But I am concerned about our budget. 00:25:29
I know. 00:25:32
We've identified areas to. 00:25:34
Provide some reductions, but I haven't yet seen. 00:25:36
The 1:00 to 1:00. 00:25:39
Cuts equalling. 00:25:42
Things that we are. 00:25:45
Going to be able to do to reduce our. 00:25:47
Our revenue as well. 00:25:49
My main concerns with that on the transportation utility fee are. 00:25:52
That. 00:25:56
Road maintenance is. 00:25:59
A lot cheaper than Rd. rebuilding. 00:26:00
It's not just about having a worse quality of life, but it's about. 00:26:03
Putting a greater burden on our future. 00:26:07
By delaying. 00:26:11
Routine maintenance if there are any routine maintenance. 00:26:12
Things that get ignored because of our inability to fund this. 00:26:18
It will cost us five times more. 00:26:22
To rebuild in the future rather than. 00:26:25
Trying to. 00:26:27
To smooth out that curve and and focus on maintenance. 00:26:28
I do think there's room in between to to have a reasonable fee. 00:26:32
Much much lower like. 00:26:36
Talking 10X lower. 00:26:37
On businesses than. 00:26:39
What we've been charging and that more of a. 00:26:41
A flat rate would be well, but. 00:26:44
I I recognize that if we remove this entirely. 00:26:46
Reinstating it would. 00:26:50
Require us to follow. 00:26:53
That entirely new study process at the states outlined. 00:26:54
For doing something like this so. 00:26:58
I just want to. 00:27:00
Make sure. 00:27:02
That, uh. 00:27:03
Whatever it is that we do here. 00:27:05
Is directly correlated with. 00:27:07
Reductions to the budget and actually looking at the numbers and saying. 00:27:09
Here's how much revenue we're going to lower. 00:27:13
Here's how much expenditures we're going to lower. 00:27:16
And short of having. 00:27:18
A more in depth analysis on that. 00:27:21
I just don't feel prepared to. 00:27:23
Completely eliminated, but I would like to propose a significant reduction of it. 00:27:26
And instead of having. 00:27:31
A per KSF. Just switching that to a. 00:27:32
Flat rate per month. 00:27:36
Something that. 00:27:40
We previously brought up, and I'm not necessarily advocating for this, but I'd like to just maybe get the. 00:27:42
Conversation around it. 00:27:47
Was that when somebody. 00:27:49
Files for a business license. 00:27:51
Or reapplies for a business license that the fee would be built into the business license. 00:27:53
Could I just maybe collect some? 00:27:58
Feedback or thoughts on that as opposed to it being a monthly? 00:28:00
Utility fee. 00:28:04
There seem to be a lot of people, or a lot of. 00:28:09
Draws on that possible. 00:28:12
Business License. 00:28:14
We talked about that as a way to help us with the overpopulation. 00:28:15
Over occupancy area. Sorry. 00:28:19
Of and so. 00:28:22
If we layers. 00:28:23
If we layer lots and lots of fees on top of the business license unless it becomes unwieldy. 00:28:24
Out of curiosity, just a second and 3rd order effect here that I don't think we previously considered, but I'm glad you just 00:28:29
brought it up, David. 00:28:33
Is there's been discussion about us creating a? 00:28:37
Essentially the requirement for if you. 00:28:41
Have a rental unit in Vineyard? You get a business license for that. 00:28:43
In doing that, you now set yourself up for the. 00:28:47
Business transportation utility fee as well. 00:28:50
So we already are layering on. 00:28:55
More and more and more, it's just where they. 00:28:58
Getting from now. I'm not an advocate for keeping the transportation utility fee at all. 00:29:00
My theory is. 00:29:06
OK, for example, let's take the forge. 00:29:10
Right, we know we're struggling to get. 00:29:13
An entertainment anchor. 00:29:16
In the forge, right? 00:29:17
If we look at. 00:29:19
Topgolf. 00:29:22
Or we look at. 00:29:23
Megaplex. 00:29:25
What are? 00:29:27
And I apologize because I know Evan's not here, so we're not going to have the exact answer. 00:29:29
But how much sales tax revenue do they generate for the city each year? 00:29:33
And if we think about it in terms of that. 00:29:38
Right, I think Evan sent an e-mail earlier today. 00:29:40
To all of us. 00:29:43
That specified, you know, the transportation utility fee. 00:29:44
For the remainder of this year, the projection was something like. 00:29:47
$525,000 or maybe $600,000, but in that range. 00:29:50
My theory is. 00:29:56
You make more money. 00:29:58
If you can actually become more business friendly. 00:29:59
And you can land somebody that's going to generate significant revenue in the city in such a way that we. 00:30:02
Benefit from the tax dollars, the sales tax revenue more so than the tough. 00:30:08
And so my thought is, how can we? 00:30:12
Get the fees out of the way. 00:30:15
So that we can incentivize business to actually come here and actually grow. 00:30:17
That revenue source? 00:30:22
I'm sorry. 00:30:26
Well, Chip, would you like to just while you come up, what would be your thoughts on? Oh, yeah, come on up, Come on up, Chip. 00:30:27
What would be your thoughts on? 00:30:33
It sounds like. 00:30:35
The business. 00:30:36
I mean, the business is my biggest concern. 00:30:37
Yeah, umm. 00:30:39
With the residential units for example. 00:30:40
If you have. 00:30:43
A rental unit. 00:30:44
Then both the homeowner and the rental each pay that fee and so it kind of balances out the. 00:30:46
The impact on the roads. 00:30:52
Rather than. 00:30:54
Just looking at property taxes, which. 00:30:55
You know you're just looking at the home value. 00:30:58
So what about? 00:31:00
Potentially. 00:31:02
Eliminating the business fee. 00:31:03
To recognize that. 00:31:04
You know, we want businesses to come in, but. 00:31:06
Still maintaining the residential. 00:31:09
I can recognize the logic there. I am not a huge fan of keeping. 00:31:12
More fees on the residents, I mean we already. 00:31:18
By a significant margin have. 00:31:21
High property taxes and fees across the board. 00:31:23
I mean just in the last. 00:31:26
Two years we've seen. 00:31:27
The property tax go up, we've seen the water rates go up, we saw the sewer rate go up like. 00:31:28
It's at some point. 00:31:33
The government has to acknowledge the fact that we are outspending what we can. 00:31:36
Continually generating revenue and we have to curtail the spend. 00:31:41
And I'm. 00:31:46
Fine to like on that that approach I'm fine to. 00:31:47
Eliminate fees to reduce taxes. 00:31:50
Once we've. 00:31:53
Definitively identify those things, that's what. 00:31:55
I want to make sure we're not. 00:31:57
Putting the cart before the horse on. 00:31:59
Cutting our. 00:32:01
Revenue before we've cut our spending, sure. 00:32:02
So chip could chip please chip price Providence one of the things that I really that. 00:32:04
Really. Kind of. 00:32:10
Gets in my craw about. 00:32:11
About. 00:32:13
Fees is that? 00:32:14
This is just a normal, another form of taxation. 00:32:15
And if you guys are not getting to a place where you've you've already maxed out your tax bracket. 00:32:18
That you can legally. 00:32:24
Put upon the people of Vineyard. 00:32:26
If you're at that. 00:32:28
Max bracket. That means that you guys are doing it wrong. 00:32:29
Right. You should be able to run this city and provide your services and not have. 00:32:33
To have big spending problems if you have maxed out your credit card. 00:32:38
US where your credit card. 00:32:44
Right. 00:32:45
If you guys keep. 00:32:47
The environment at a place where it is nominal and and functional, then you're going to draw in people that are going to. 00:32:49
Backfill. 00:32:56
That deficit that you have. 00:32:57
And so. 00:32:59
My biggest concern and my biggest problem is that once you put it. 00:33:00
Tax or a fee in place? 00:33:04
They're there. Very, very few times does the government come in and say, you know what? 00:33:06
We filled our coffers. It's time. We're going to turn this off. That doesn't happen. 00:33:13
Because they're like. 00:33:17
What for? We can continue to use this for this other project I have? 00:33:18
Biggest problem with government? 00:33:22
So if you guys can find a way to make it so that you guys are drawing in business and drawing in people. 00:33:24
You get more of us moving into Vineyard, you get more people moving. 00:33:29
Their businesses. 00:33:33
UVU actually wants to put their stuff here. 00:33:34
All that stuff is going to generate exactly what you're looking for, so maybe putting a Band-Aid on it. 00:33:37
Not a bad idea. 00:33:42
Let's just get through the next. 00:33:43
10 years and. 00:33:45
Maybe your tax base will be there. 00:33:47
Thank you. 00:33:50
Any other comments? 00:33:52
Discussion from Council. 00:33:54
Thank you for that comment, I really appreciate that the the long term view has always been. 00:33:57
Key. In my mind I do. 00:34:02
I am. 00:34:05
I made this promise as I was running that Vineyard would have. 00:34:08
The uh. 00:34:11
Lowest property taxes in 20 years. 00:34:13
And. 00:34:16
Depending on the decisions that are made over the next 20 years, that can absolutely happen. 00:34:18
I'm confident we can provide the absolute best services. 00:34:22
While maintaining the lowest taxes as we continue to grow and and see those economic benefits come in. 00:34:25
And so. 00:34:31
I just want to make sure that along the process. 00:34:32
We're not setting ourselves up by. 00:34:34
You know, not maintaining. 00:34:37
Our road for a dollar now. 00:34:39
That we have to pay those, those 5 dollars, $10 expenses down the road on that long term curve so as long as we can. 00:34:41
Identify that I'm absolutely supportive of getting rid of these fees. 00:34:48
I do know it is a goal of this council as well to to cut taxes significantly. 00:34:52
And so I want to make sure that. 00:34:57
If we're going to. 00:34:58
Start pulling levers. Let's make sure we're. 00:35:00
Not pulling all of them off at the same time. 00:35:03
If if we do need them to maintain. 00:35:06
One thing I don't want to do is. 00:35:08
Just to deficit spend without any. 00:35:10
Certain structure. I mean, if we've got. 00:35:13
A structure laid out for the next three years of hey, we have a plan to spend it to our reserves. 00:35:16
These years. 00:35:21
Recognizing that our goal is to continue to get more businesses, continue to get more sales tax growth. 00:35:23
That's something I could get behind, but. 00:35:29
Just as long as the plan is there, essentially. 00:35:32
I'm super supportive of. 00:35:36
Turning the lever off right now, I think for the businesses, it makes a ton of sense to turn that lever off right now. 00:35:39
But anyway, those are. 00:35:45
Thanks for that are my thoughts. 00:35:47
On transportation utility fee only. 00:35:48
There was something in here about giving the mayor authority to. 00:35:53
Reduce fees and I just wanted to talk about what. 00:35:57
What that? 00:36:00
Was for or. 00:36:02
If we think that's a good idea. 00:36:05
I suspect that that is it's just in the language of the past hearing, but it's not weirdly written. I think that that is probably 00:36:07
just referencing. 00:36:11
That we're talking about. 00:36:16
In the business item, having a resolution to amend the fee schedule. 00:36:18
OK. Does that mean that? 00:36:22
You're going to null and void the last month of everyone's. 00:36:24
So the thought behind this so as our code. 00:36:27
Currently states. 00:36:31
So tomorrow morning. 00:36:33
If we don't act. 00:36:35
So we kind of got behind the 8 ball on this. 00:36:36
Utility bills go out tomorrow morning, April 1st. 00:36:39
Right Wednesday, Thursday. Thursday. 00:36:43
So how how the code currently sits is and if we wanted to reduce that, if we just if I just wanted to say OK. 00:36:45
Listen when we need. 00:36:53
Throttle this down to a dollar a door. 00:36:54
Right. Currently that leverage, I can't pull that lever, so we have to come in here. So we kind of earned this little boondoggle 00:36:56
of the situation where it's. 00:37:00
Where? 00:37:04
The intent is. 00:37:05
Obviously not to chase off our businesses, right? And I'm concerned if this goes much further. 00:37:08
The it's it's getting pretty ugly. 00:37:14
For a lot of companies out there. 00:37:17
So this would allow us. 00:37:20
To do that, I'm sorry. Go ahead if this resolution passes. 00:37:23
That that goes away, correct the the bills. There's no need then for any other additional power to lower fees. 00:37:26
That's not required. So do you want me to address this resolution? Sure, please. So. 00:37:33
As we were unpacking all the. 00:37:38
Fun of the tough. 00:37:42
We also. 00:37:43
Were finding frustrations. 00:37:44
With trying to. 00:37:46
Established fees for Vineyard days. 00:37:50
Because. 00:37:52
And you know. 00:37:53
We wanted the ability to say, OK, well, maybe we'd. 00:37:55
Don't want to charge? Let's say a particular like. 00:38:00
And city. 00:38:03
Recognized nonprofit like the Heritage Foundation, maybe we don't want to charge them for. 00:38:06
Parade entry. 00:38:12
We wouldn't have the option to not charge them. 00:38:13
Under the fee schedule. 00:38:17
Because the fee schedule is set. 00:38:18
So. So it gave us no flexibility. 00:38:20
And the mayor had no power to adjust the fee schedule. And so we thought, well. 00:38:24
This may be the fee schedule. 00:38:29
Can be the maximum. 00:38:31
The city can charge for fees. 00:38:33
And then we. 00:38:35
The mayor was given the authority to be able to make. 00:38:36
Adjustments downwards that would. 00:38:44
Be appropriate. 00:38:46
Does that make sense? Yeah, yeah. 00:38:47
Yeah, that makes sense. I would just. 00:38:50
Want to disagree with that approach and. 00:38:53
Keep it as. 00:38:56
Either the Council creates a policy. 00:38:57
Where we identify exactly what will. 00:38:59
Consider lowering fees for. 00:39:02
Just so that the mayor doesn't. 00:39:04
I mean if we if we in theory. 00:39:06
Just told the mayor you can lower fees as much as you want. Everybody's going to be banging down his door. 00:39:09
Saying to lower his fees. 00:39:13
Rather than kind of bringing it to a public process and. 00:39:16
Saying that this is. 00:39:19
A decision of the. 00:39:20
The whole to. 00:39:22
To reduce a fee in any given circumstance. 00:39:23
I think we we could easily create a policy that identifies, hey, what kind of operations do we want to? 00:39:25
Lower fees for but. 00:39:31
I would just have concerns with. 00:39:32
Not having that. 00:39:35
Come to the Council. 00:39:36
So there are already. 00:39:38
Circumstances that are in current code. 00:39:42
Where the mayor can reduce fees. 00:39:44
And that's for fines. 00:39:47
Well, I think that's what Ezra is bringing up, is that we should just. 00:39:49
Write a policy in code that actually specifies when that can be done. 00:39:52
Versus just giving him blanket authority. 00:39:57
OK. I think if our legal counsel were here, he would. 00:39:59
Advise us that once we give. 00:40:03
Away a power to the somebody it's impossible to get back correct. 00:40:05
I think he is here. Is he on the mic? He was on the call. He was not here. 00:40:10
Carol, any other comments on this? 00:40:16
Alrighty, I will. 00:40:20
Entertain a motion to leave the public hearing. 00:40:24
So moved. 00:40:27
Do I have a second? 00:40:29
2nd. 00:40:30
All in favor. 00:40:31
Aye. 00:40:32
Awesome motion. 00:40:33
Passes. OK, let's jump down to 5 #5. 00:40:34
Mayor and council members disclosures and recusals. Do I have any? 00:40:39
Any disclosures? 00:40:44
So that is going to be that is. 00:40:47
On that is 8.8 weight .1. It's on the back David. 00:40:50
8.1. 00:40:56
What's that awesome? 00:40:58
OK. Any disclosures from the Council? 00:41:03
OK, I made a joke. 00:41:08
Just so that everyone can be clued in on the joke, I told Jacob Hold away that he needs to disclose all the ways he is financially 00:41:10
benefiting from 400 S right now. 00:41:14
Yeah. So I'll take the time since the emails have been coming in. 00:41:19
I live at 392 hold away Hold Away road and I purchased my home. 00:41:23
Well, after the right of way was purchased. 00:41:28
And so. 00:41:32
The uh. 00:41:34
I am not gaining financially either way on the road being widened or not widening and the. 00:41:35
Right of way will stay the same. 00:41:42
And I believe in both plans, the traffic. 00:41:45
Is not changed in both situations, the speed limit stays the same. 00:41:47
In both situations and the traffic and the bike lanes are still provided in. 00:41:53
Both situations so. 00:41:58
And it's kind of a. 00:42:01
Unfortunate. Umm. 00:42:03
The property and. 00:42:05
In uh. 00:42:06
Affected is my father's property. 00:42:09
And you know, my dad was the first to set up stand up for Wakara Way. 00:42:11
And put forth a donation of 1/4 mile of. 00:42:18
Easement to make that trail happen. 00:42:22
And I know it yet hasn't happened. 00:42:25
But to be to get bombarded with emails that my dad is trying to profit off of this. 00:42:28
There is. 00:42:34
3 competing master plan. 00:42:35
Projects that do not line up. 00:42:37
For those that don't know, so. 00:42:40
The east of my house. 00:42:42
Where the Rileys and the Fernandez don't or not Fernandez? 00:42:44
The. 00:42:49
Does not line up. 00:42:51
With uh. 00:42:53
My side of the road. 00:42:53
And so having them line up with two completely different master plans is the purpose. 00:42:55
We do not own the right of way on my father's property as a city and when this came up in October and November I recused myself 00:43:02
from and there was no official vote, but if there would have been. 00:43:08
To purchase that or not purchase that. 00:43:13
On that specific issue I would have recused myself, but it never got to. 00:43:16
Eminent domain. 00:43:22
I can promise that if it does come to eminent domain. 00:43:24
That I wouldn't vote on that specific issue. 00:43:26
But I ran on making 400 N or 400 S safe and I would 100% vote. 00:43:29
And I ran on that. So anyway, just. 00:43:36
Full disclosure, I don't make any money on that so. 00:43:39
Thank you, Jake. 00:43:41
Any anyone else from council? 00:43:42
OK, hearing none, we will move to the public comment. 00:43:46
Tony, did we get? Do you have the? 00:43:50
Anyone like to? 00:43:53
Public comment. 00:43:55
Participate in that. 00:43:57
Come on up, Daria. 00:43:58
Again, Daria Evans, Dulles Vineyard resident. 00:44:09
I just want to. 00:44:12
Thank all the residents of Vineyard. 00:44:15
Who have participated in? 00:44:17
The donations for the library. 00:44:20
Getting into that $750? 00:44:23
Raised amount. 00:44:26
To help the library, we have a great community. 00:44:27
And I'm just. 00:44:30
Really thrilled we had those donations. 00:44:31
I would like to speak about a couple of agenda items later. 00:44:34
On resolution 26. 00:44:39
Dash 19 and also Operation Shield, if I have that opportunity. Thank you. Thanks, Daria. Thanks, Daria. 00:44:41
We got David Pierce. 00:44:49
David. 00:44:51
David Pierce from the Cascade neighborhood. 00:44:54
Having participated in. 00:44:57
That library fundraising event? 00:45:00
I gotta say it was wonderful. 00:45:03
To have the community come together like that. 00:45:05
Our house was one of the drop off point. 00:45:08
For donations. 00:45:11
And we were swamped. 00:45:13
So it was. 00:45:15
It was wonderful. 00:45:16
To be part of that. 00:45:18
I also have. 00:45:21
Some comment that I want to make. 00:45:22
On. 00:45:24
Resolutions that are coming up. 00:45:25
So. 00:45:28
And I. 00:45:31
I just want to let you know that like. 00:45:33
I. 00:45:40
I want to make a comment that I did if I can about please earlier. 00:45:43
Issue. 00:45:49
And that is the fee schedule. 00:45:50
I agree with. 00:45:52
With. 00:45:54
Councilman Larae's comment. 00:45:56
Once a legislative body gives up power and authority. 00:45:58
It's difficult to get it back. 00:46:04
And when you give up authority? 00:46:06
You give up. 00:46:10
Our voice. 00:46:11
As citizens. 00:46:12
So you shut us out. 00:46:15
Of that discussion. 00:46:16
That may deal with funding. 00:46:18
Taxes and fees. 00:46:20
Thank you. 00:46:22
Thanks, David. 00:46:23
OK. 00:46:25
Seen no other public. 00:46:27
Crystal, come on up. 00:46:29
Is anyone else? 00:46:31
After crystal, OK. 00:46:33
Crystal, price, Providence. I'm just wondering where we're at. 00:46:35
On transferring the HOA. 00:46:38
To the citizens. 00:46:41
The water's. 00:46:43
It's been 8 years and I believe flagship is built out. 00:46:46
That's all. 00:46:51
Thank you. Are we allowed to? 00:46:52
Say, could we add that to a? 00:46:55
A few further. 00:46:57
Agenda item that has come up so many times. 00:46:59
The the state has just created an HOA. 00:47:03
Protection Task Force. 00:47:06
It's a new department that and like there are. 00:47:08
So many drink. 00:47:11
That at least 20-30 times that they say. 00:47:13
In our. 00:47:16
Contract and maybe just direct our attorney to look into this base to describe it. Jesse, it's. 00:47:18
Usually an HOA has some sort of percentage point. 00:47:24
50%, Seventy percent, 80% built out. 00:47:27
And what it's done is it's like. 00:47:30
Daisy chained from one development to the next development and then they've had like 5 or 6. 00:47:32
And obviously this is a private organization, but like. 00:47:36
It has yet to be turned over and I believe they've then connected it to Utah City like. 00:47:40
It's one in the same now with Utah City and it's like. 00:47:45
So just looking into that like. 00:47:49
As a city, do we have legalities to get into that? Does the state, do we direct them to the state? 00:47:51
And if so. 00:47:56
Could we bring it to a? 00:47:57
A future. 00:47:59
Working session to get to the bottom of it. 00:48:01
Sure. 00:48:04
Legally, yeah. 00:48:05
We're gonna comment as well. Jacob would. Yeah, I was just gonna say I received a lot of complaints as well, and I believe I'm 00:48:05
referring to Water's Edge. 00:48:08
I think that it is built out so we. 00:48:11
I support being on a. 00:48:15
Would you take the assignment to? 00:48:16
Reach out to Jesse and just get Yeah, well, since this is HOA, can we leave it with Jacob? Yeah, let's not. That's me, but sure, 00:48:18
let's do that. We reach out to Jesse, kind of. Let's get to the. 00:48:22
Start digging into that So we'll start looking into it. That is the first time I've heard about it. 00:48:26
I've heard plenty of 400 S issues right? Too much? 00:48:31
Thank you. 00:48:37
Yeah, OK, awesome. I just, you know, I say stupid things because if I say stupid things then I'll it won't be so stupid later when 00:48:37
I learn from them. 00:48:41
Could the residents? 00:48:46
Collect 75% signatures in their neighborhood to secede. 00:48:49
From the HOA. 00:48:53
I'll second that. 00:48:55
Do I have to call that to a vote since it's been David, I mean motion. It's just, you know, the question for legal, we need to 00:49:01
collect information from Mr. Riddle because. 00:49:06
Right now as I understand it right the code. 00:49:11
So it was a joke, but I mean, there's some logic behind it. 00:49:13
Our city code says if. 00:49:16
Citizens want to initiate. 00:49:18
Something for their neighborhood or their their. 00:49:20
Community. 00:49:23
That it needs to go to a 75%. 00:49:24
Signatures for residents in that community and if you hit that threshold. 00:49:26
Then the Council has a significant reason to. 00:49:30
Perform an action. Yeah. So I I don't know, I mean, I know there's the HOA protection law, but I would just be curious and. 00:49:32
Can you actually? 00:49:38
As a collective. 00:49:41
Leave the HOA, we'll have Jacob. I would just make a note of that. I would just say the property owners are private entities in 00:49:43
the HOA is a private entity, so. 00:49:48
The only thing I believe that's given to us is the. 00:49:53
The master agreement. 00:49:57
When they did the planning and what? 00:49:59
When it would be turned over, was told to the. 00:50:01
City, right? 00:50:04
So we could help those private entities with information. 00:50:05
Of what? 00:50:09
What was promised during the city, But let's have our attorney look into, yeah. 00:50:10
Yeah. Thank you. 00:50:15
OK, any other public comments? 00:50:17
All right, seeing none, we will move down to the work session. 00:50:19
For the Easy park presentation and discussion, I'm going to turn this over to Jacob Wood. 00:50:23
And uh. 00:50:28
Yes, I invited an easy part to come give a presentation. So as we've been many a choice, I've been looking to find a way to have 00:50:29
enforcement. 00:50:34
But to make sure that enforcement isn't towing first or towing only. So this is a company I found. 00:50:39
Offers a more progressive form of enforcement. So I invited to come. They drove all the way down from Saint George I believe. 00:50:46
And. 00:50:52
Yeah, yes, I started. 00:50:55
Thank you. Come on up, gentlemen. 00:50:56
Thank you. 00:50:57
Thank you. 00:50:58
All righty. Thank you so much. 00:50:59
Yeah, thanks for inviting us here. Yeah, like Jacob said. 00:51:01
From Saint George, but we're working up here, so. 00:51:05
And just for a little bit of background, a little bit of history. 00:51:08
I've worked up here for. 00:51:11
Years as far as my. 00:51:13
Background repossessions, impounds, PPI's. 00:51:15
All the companies, all the tow truck. 00:51:18
Signs you have out there that's. 00:51:20
That's what I did, but then I sold that when? 00:51:22
We founded this. 00:51:24
Just a couple years ago. 00:51:27
So. 00:51:28
Just yeah, Dave Terry. 00:51:29
And I'm Cam Terry. 00:51:31
So we just found a. 00:51:34
Or tighten a lot more. 00:51:36
Tech company you know to run this to enforce we can do everything that. 00:51:38
My tow company used to do, but without taking people's cars. 00:51:42
And it's so much cheaper for him. 00:51:46
And you can still. 00:51:48
Provide compliance so. 00:51:49
But like I said over the 25 years that I've had. 00:51:54
With parking enforcement experience or. 00:51:57
Our foundation that comes from understanding and sorry, we don't have this up there that. 00:51:59
Since this was an apple. 00:52:05
The low connection was for a Mac, so we'll just kind of look at it and read through here. 00:52:06
But. 00:52:11
Like I said, easy park it was. 00:52:13
Accepted and founded in Saint George, but it's growing so fast now we're up in Oregon. 00:52:15
Also met with the committee up in Rexburg with BYU. 00:52:20
And got that municipality going up there, so we can do everything from municipalities. 00:52:24
Private HOA's even working with the Larry H Miller Group, Wasatch Group. 00:52:29
So different types of properties from commercial down to residential. 00:52:33
Yeah. 00:52:38
So. 00:52:40
One of the one of the things that. 00:52:42
Kind of sets us apart. 00:52:44
Is. 00:52:45
Are innovative enforcement. 00:52:46
So we have an all in one. 00:52:48
Basically all inclusive. 00:52:53
Parking ecosystem. 00:52:56
So this. 00:52:57
We have a license plate. 00:52:58
Based enforcement system and and permit system. So there's no need for, no need for. 00:53:00
Sticker permits. 00:53:06
Or hang tag permits, we can do digital permits and then how we. 00:53:08
Cross reference that is with a license plate reading camera car. 00:53:12
And. 00:53:16
We built this out. 00:53:17
Because. 00:53:19
With his background of 25 years in the towing industry, we realized that there's a lot of stress. There's a lot of. 00:53:20
Confrontation. There's a lot of friction. 00:53:27
That. 00:53:29
Is caused from towing. 00:53:30
And we're like, there's gotta be, there's gotta be a software approach. 00:53:32
A better approach? 00:53:35
And a more acceptable approach. 00:53:36
And that's where we found. 00:53:39
That's when we built out the license plate reading camera car and then we ticket. 00:53:41
Or notices of noncompliance. 00:53:45
And we issue those. 00:53:47
We have fixed cameras. 00:53:50
That can be installed at like commercial entrances or commercial. 00:53:52
Lots the entrances we can do mobile LPR on. 00:53:56
Oh yeah. 00:54:01
Let's see here. 00:54:05
Look at Mr. it, you might be in luck. 00:54:06
Let's see here allow this. 00:54:11
Let's see. 00:54:24
What? 00:54:26
What do I need to do now? 00:54:27
So I plugged it in. I allowed it. 00:54:29
You haven't talked there. 00:54:31
OK. And then that goes into this. 00:54:35
Dongle to the dongle. 00:54:38
Cross our fingers. 00:54:54
Maybe. 00:54:56
It would have worked. 00:55:13
And what if? 00:55:15
OK, I downloaded that app to. 00:55:16
OK. 00:55:20
Air. 00:55:23
Oh, I see. 00:55:25
Let's see, let's try airplane. 00:55:29
This won't this won't work OK. 00:55:31
OK, screen mirroring. 00:55:38
I'm on the. I'm on the guest Wi-Fi. 00:55:44
Does that change? 00:55:46
What is the? 00:55:48
Wi-Fi the TV. 00:55:48
Thread behind you on the wall here. 00:55:50
OK, I'm on that one. Perfect. 00:55:52
Should pull up them. 00:55:55
Would this bring up the TV? 00:56:11
OK. That's what we're trying to do. It's not pulling up. 00:56:15
OK, yeah, let me get on that one. 00:56:25
OK, so it's Vineyard. 00:56:31
OK. And then? 00:56:34
4. 00:56:39
05. 00:56:40
77. 00:56:42
There it is. 00:56:56
So East. 00:56:58
North. 00:57:00
It's trying it on the north. 00:57:11
Oh, OK. 00:57:20
8300. 00:57:23
There it is. 00:57:38
Hey, thank you. Thank you. Thanks for your help. 00:57:41
Awesome. 00:57:49
OK, so. 00:57:50
So yeah, we talked about the. 00:57:55
The license plate reading or the license plate recognition? 00:57:57
And we can do that mobile. 00:58:00
Which I think mobile makes most sense for. 00:58:02
For Vineyard and we kind of drove around and saw some of the locations that we discussed with Jacob and. 00:58:04
And so mobile would probably make the most sense. 00:58:10
We do. That is, we just have these cameras on this car and it'd be going around and checking. 00:58:13
The streets checking the private parking lots or the public parking lots, making sure that people. 00:58:18
Have have their permits. 00:58:22
And so. 00:58:24
With this approach. 00:58:25
We didn't remove. 00:58:27
Boots on the ground, we upgraded them. 00:58:28
Easy Park replaced outdated tow truck enforcement with mobile LPR camera vehicles. 00:58:30
Creating a smarter automated system. The result is a win, win, win. 00:58:35
Less frustration for residents, better oversight for property managers or city members. 00:58:39
And more efficient consist. 00:58:44
Enforcement. 00:58:47
Our system drives higher compliance with a more organized and modern approach. 00:58:48
So and just for a little update on the enforcement. 00:58:52
A lot of our neighboring states. 00:58:55
Where we're busy too. 00:58:57
Is. 00:58:58
They're changing the law. So like, we've all seen it here in Utah, where? 00:58:59
Tow trucks can drive around on patrol. 00:59:02
And then they see a violation. 00:59:05
And they take it. 00:59:06
The states are doing away with that, so that's why we're getting so busy and. 00:59:08
In Colorado and Oregon. 00:59:11
Because you need a third party company like Easy Park. We come in. 00:59:13
And you have to verify it and then dispatch the toe. 00:59:17
And I don't know if Utah will go that way, but our neighboring states. 00:59:20
Are which it makes sense like just more eyes on it. 00:59:23
So it maintains that we're the judge, you guys. 00:59:27
Then it comes to us as a city to approve if it can or cannot be towed to dispatch it, is what you're saying. 00:59:31
It would fall but that way there's a still this has to come from another company I see instead of 1 tow truck driver saying I'm 00:59:37
gonna take. 00:59:41
Right. OK, that makes sense. 00:59:45
Yeah, so this is our car. 00:59:47
This is the. 00:59:49
So there's the car on the left and a zoomed in picture on the right of the camera. 00:59:50
And so. 00:59:54
It's just a normal little Nissan and where you can just we can build it out with our technology and. 00:59:55
And it works. 01:00:00
This is all a better approach to parking. 01:00:03
We believe parking should be simple, fair and efficient for everyone. 01:00:06
Traditional parking. 01:00:10
Enforcement has long relied on reactive, labor intensive methods like towing. 01:00:12
This often leads to frustration and consistency and negative interactions with the public. 01:00:16
With our Win Win Win program, we solved a constant headaches of towing and create organization for the roads and streets. This 01:00:20
organization provides open parking for those who need to park and a cheaper, safer option to those who violate the rules. 01:00:26
And then? 01:00:33
On the right. 01:00:34
There there's. 01:00:35
Little picture of. 01:00:37
What? 01:00:38
The permit kind of looks like. 01:00:39
And we do have a. 01:00:41
A demo we actually built out. 01:00:42
The vineyard area with some of the properties that we've been talking about and so we can show you that how. 01:00:44
That looks on a map. There's little pins pins everywhere of the properties that could. 01:00:51
Have the permits or for people to reserve parking. 01:00:56
OK, why this works? Why Easy Park leads the industry in parking enforcement. 01:01:00
Because it reduces friction and improves experience. 01:01:05
With the license plate based enforcement, it removes the need for physical permits. 01:01:08
And eliminates confrontation. 01:01:12
This creates A smoother, more user friendly experience. 01:01:14
Kinda like how you mentioned we did this, you know, with the city up there in Rexburg. 01:01:17
For years. 01:01:21
BYU students. 01:01:22
Even citizens to park on the road, they had to go into the. 01:01:24
Mayor's office and there'd be a long line and they'd have to get physical permits. 01:01:27
So they loved this. 01:01:30
They don't even have to deal with that anymore. 01:01:32
Drives compliance without aggression and structured progressive enforcement model encourages voluntary compliance. 01:01:34
First, leading to fewer violations and repeat offenses. 01:01:40
It ensures transparency and accountability. 01:01:45
All activity is digitally recorded and reportable. 01:01:47
Giving cities and property owners full insight into operations. 01:01:51
So it really is a true win, win, win. 01:01:55
Residents win. That's less stress. Clear rules. 01:01:58
Cities when property owners better control an organization enforcement greater efficiency, fewer conflicts. 01:02:01
So the the whole system. 01:02:10
Is designed and built. 01:02:13
To scale. 01:02:14
So. 01:02:15
As Vineyard grows. 01:02:16
The uh. 01:02:18
Parking demand is going to is going to rise, it's going to increase and I'm sure you guys have already kind of felt that already. 01:02:19
As vineyard is is very dense. 01:02:25
And so that. 01:02:27
That demand as it drives. 01:02:28
Higher we can. 01:02:29
We can scale with that. 01:02:32
And so. 01:02:34
This we. 01:02:36
Our easy park we can manage public. 01:02:38
And private properties. 01:02:40
Under 1 system that is. 01:02:41
That is the beautiful thing about. 01:02:43
Easy Park. 01:02:45
With being a complete parking ecosystem. 01:02:46
From you, You're not going to have vendors. 01:02:48
Having. 01:02:51
Digital permits. 01:02:53
And that's all they. 01:02:54
Do and enforcement and that's all they do. We are a complete package and we can do public and private. 01:02:55
We standardize enforcement. 01:03:03
So. 01:03:06
Enforcement will all be the same from public and private Signage is going to be the same and we actually brought some signage 01:03:07
examples. 01:03:10
Some different sizes. 01:03:15
And we pay for the signs and we install them. 01:03:16
Yeah. So our team will do that and. 01:03:20
Depending on where it's at, you know, it might not say pay for parking, might just say register for parking. We. 01:03:23
We build the signs. 01:03:27
How you guys want? 01:03:28
And so that is. 01:03:30
Kind of depends on. 01:03:32
What the signs are for? 01:03:33
But then the compliance across all zones. 01:03:35
So we can, we can zone out. 01:03:38
Different, different areas of Vineyard. So we might have zone A. 01:03:40
Be, say, the vine. 01:03:44
Or. 01:03:46
Zone B is and we can. 01:03:47
Name the zones, just whatever they. 01:03:50
The complexes are the preserve the. 01:03:51
Alloy. Umm. 01:03:55
However that looks. 01:03:56
Will make it so that. 01:03:57
People can. 01:03:59
Choose. 01:04:00
Choose the alloy, say and purchase their permit there or. 01:04:01
Get their permit if they're not purchasing it, yeah. 01:04:04
Provide centralized reporting and management for the city leadership. So you guys will have. 01:04:07
Full transparency to see everything and as. 01:04:11
As the city expands and parking demands increase, Easy Park ensures that systems remain consistent, efficient and easy to manage. 01:04:14
And along with that, when I first met Jacob. 01:04:22
I was up here 2 weeks ago. 01:04:25
And with K&R? 01:04:27
Their property management company, we do a lot of their properties in Saint George. They've been asking us to get up into here. 01:04:29
So I was in his office and he wants to switch over the. 01:04:34
Water's edge. 01:04:37
Lakefront, Lakefront, OK. 01:04:39
And then he told me about. 01:04:43
Come to talk to the city of Vineyard. 01:04:45
And then so while I was here, I went into a lot of the private big complexes. 01:04:47
And it really was like 95% of people. 01:04:50
Like can we do this and how soon can you get up here? 01:04:54
Because. 01:04:57
When you're when you're a manager on a complex. 01:04:57
Someone gets towed. 01:05:00
They're coming in the office and. 01:05:01
They're ticked off. 01:05:03
So they. 01:05:05
They loved this. 01:05:05
Yeah, so we are. 01:05:09
Or sorry, did you have some? 01:05:11
No, go ahead. OK. So more, more than a vendor. 01:05:13
As easy. 01:05:16
We will. 01:05:18
We are a true partner. 01:05:19
And as a true partner, we'd commit to. 01:05:20
Make parking easier to manage, easier to enforce, and easier to for the public to understand. 01:05:22
Do more than just provide enforcement. We'll take ownership of the entire parking ecosystem. Act as an extension of the city. 01:05:27
From implementation to daily operations. 01:05:35
To long term optimization we will work with integrity. 01:05:38
And a citizen first mentality. 01:05:41
OK, So what this means for Vineyard? 01:05:48
And how we'll move forward in these different phases 1 unified system. 01:05:51
A single platform managing all parking environments, public roads, private streets, residential areas. 01:05:55
Commercial zones. 01:06:00
Eliminating fragmentation and confusion. 01:06:02
One accountable partner. 01:06:05
No juggling multiple vendors kind of, Cam talked about. 01:06:07
Or systems Easy Park provides clear ownership. 01:06:10
Consistent communication and full accountability across the entire city. 01:06:13
One streamlined solution, Standardized signage enforcement technology and reporting. 01:06:17
Creating a seamless experience for residents, visitors. 01:06:23
And city leadership alike. 01:06:26
And then as the implementation plan. 01:06:29
Phase I. 01:06:31
And usually it's about a 3030 day implementation. 01:06:33
Project and so phase one is planning and setup. 01:06:37
So we'll identify the zones or different properties that you guys would like us to. 01:06:40
To patrol. 01:06:44
And. 01:06:46
And then? 01:06:47
Customized rules and enforcement strategy. 01:06:48
So if it's let me add to what the planning and setup. 01:06:50
Lot of the complexes will keep. 01:06:53
The current contract at the tow company. 01:06:55
Because whatever escalation system we set up, say like if it's two tickets first. 01:06:57
And a boot, then the tow company. 01:07:02
We have dispatched that tow. 01:07:05
So they can, you can keep those contracts, but all you do is call them and say hey. 01:07:06
We're only going to call you on the call in basis. 01:07:11
Yeah, no more petroleum for the tow truck. 01:07:14
So in phase one as well, we had customized the rules and enforcement strategy. The rules are going to look different for every. 01:07:17
Every property, some might be no street parking, some might be only permit, some might be fire lane and. 01:07:23
And handicap. 01:07:29
So however that looks. 01:07:30
We'll build that. 01:07:31
And customize that for you. 01:07:33
Phase 2. 01:07:35
Installation. So we're going to have our sign. 01:07:36
Signs printed and then. 01:07:38
Installed. 01:07:42
Through our signage. 01:07:43
Team and then system configuration. So what this looks like is geofencing every. 01:07:44
Every property and. 01:07:50
Coding the different rules, coding the different. 01:07:52
Permits and so. 01:07:55
There's a lot that goes in behind the scenes for the coding of the technology. 01:07:57
But uh. 01:08:01
It's a pretty quick process and then Phase 3 is go live, so we choose a date, say May 1st or June 1st. 01:08:01
Begin enforcement with a grace period so we might have a. 01:08:08
A week or two week where we give warnings. 01:08:11
And then public education and communication will build out materials for you guys. 01:08:14
And we can go. 01:08:19
And do whatever we need to do to help you. 01:08:21
The best that we can to just get the word out there that things are changing. 01:08:24
Because the last thing we. 01:08:28
We want is for the residents to be confused on. 01:08:29
Why? Why they got a ticket or why? 01:08:32
Why they now had to have a permit or however that looks. 01:08:35
Phase 4 optimization. Ongoing adjustments if necessary based on data. 01:08:39
Monthly reporting and performance reviews. 01:08:43
So we want to be very communicative with you guys. 01:08:46
Whether it be monthly, quarterly? 01:08:49
Or however that looks. 01:08:51
To to make sure. 01:08:52
We are always aligned with you and doing the things that you guys want and need. 01:08:54
And that's it. So. 01:09:00
We wanted just to prepare a little brief. 01:09:02
Overview Brief summary of. 01:09:04
The basics that we cover. 01:09:06
And then we wanted to just answer any questions that you guys have. 01:09:08
Thank you. I appreciate it. Thank you. 01:09:11
Can you explain so? 01:09:15
You're not for the public. This is not a towing company you guys dispatched to. 01:09:17
A company to do that enforcement. 01:09:22
Correct. 01:09:23
Yeah, but you do patrol with your vehicle to scan the license plate and if the license plate comes back, they don't have a permit 01:09:24
then they either they ticket first. Can you explain how much the ticket would cost? 01:09:30
Yeah. So the ticket on average is $100. 01:09:38
So it's 1/3 or 1/4 of the cost of a tow. 01:09:42
And so. 01:09:45
That's what all of our Saint George properties have in Oregon. 01:09:46
We we kind of average around 7075. 01:09:51
And so it kind of varies between 75 and 100 bucks. So a lot cheaper than a tow. 01:09:54
And then? 01:10:00
We can decide. 01:10:02
With you guys, how you'd like it, if it's a ticket, ticket, boot, or if it's four tickets or three tickets, then a boot. 01:10:03
And then a toe. 01:10:09
And the boot is $75. It's cheaper because it keeps our car there. The ticket is a little bit more expensive because they have the 01:10:10
freedom to be able to. 01:10:14
To leave. 01:10:18
And uh. 01:10:19
And so. 01:10:19
That's kind of where those prices. 01:10:20
Kind of come about. 01:10:22
So you guys? 01:10:24
Sorry, when you when you get, you know, I've got a question from Jesse Tips. 01:10:25
OK, there you go. 01:10:30
Yeah, let's take Jesse's question right now. 01:10:34
Jesse's our city attorney. He's I was just wondering, do do you sell your data? 01:10:39
To third parties. 01:10:45
So for example if I. 01:10:46
Live in Vineyard and you have my license plate information. 01:10:48
Are you selling that information? Is the picture? 01:10:51
I would ask a couple questions here, which is a no no when you're a lawyer. 01:10:55
But. 01:10:58
Do you take a picture of only the license plate or the back of the tire? 01:10:59
The back of the vehicle or the whole vehicle? 01:11:02
What? What is it limited to that you're you're? 01:11:05
Yeah. So we do not sell the data. 01:11:08
And. 01:11:11
The the enforcement pictures we require. 01:11:12
Our enforcement. 01:11:15
Officers to take a minimum of four pictures. 01:11:17
For legal evidence shall end. 01:11:20
To keep both us and you guys protected as far as like. 01:11:23
Them saying we damaged their car or something. 01:11:27
Along the lines of that. 01:11:30
And so we take a minimum of four pictures. Those are uploaded to. 01:11:31
The. 01:11:35
The dashboard. 01:11:36
And then you guys can see it. We can see it. 01:11:37
Everyone can see if there's ever a question about it, but what are the pictures? 01:11:39
Is it a picture of? I would assume 4. 01:11:43
License plate. A picture of the car parked illegally from the front side. Rear. Exactly so So yeah. License plate. 01:11:46
And then try and get all the different angles so that. 01:11:52
We're we're covered on. 01:11:55
On all angles. 01:11:56
And so did I understand correctly you do not sell your data. 01:11:59
Correct. 01:12:02
OK. Thank you. 01:12:04
Yep. Can I ask how you make money? 01:12:05
Yeah. 01:12:09
Yep. 01:12:10
We make we make money on on the permits. 01:12:12
So how? 01:12:14
We so we talked to Jake. 01:12:16
About this, so we normally charge around $10 a permit that covers all the management is that for permit per month or per year, 01:12:18
per, per month, so. 01:12:22
With with Vineyard. 01:12:27
We discussed with all of our business partners and said well. 01:12:28
We'll drop that down to $5.00 because. 01:12:31
Because of the volume. 01:12:34
So let me pause it this and maybe just collect your feedback. 01:12:35
We talked about 3 or 4 different other. 01:12:40
Companies besides Easy Park over the course of the last week, sure. 01:12:43
And. 01:12:47
Those companies that. 01:12:48
Typical pricing model was something like. 01:12:49
10 to $60.00. 01:12:52
Per household. 01:12:54
Per year. 01:12:56
And then they make money on the toe. 01:12:57
Now you guys aren't? 01:12:59
Obviously doing the toe, you're not making money on the toe. 01:13:00
But then you're. 01:13:04
Like one of the conversations that we're having is we want these to be citizen. 01:13:06
Initiated. 01:13:09
And driven, you know. 01:13:11
Discussions. 01:13:13
Because we don't want to make a decision that. 01:13:15
Puts a financial burden on a bunch of residents unnecessarily. 01:13:17
So I guess my question is. 01:13:21
When some of these neighborhoods, if they choose to proceed with parking enforcement, are you willing to? 01:13:25
Maybe. 01:13:30
I guess just so they have the information but get competitive with the pricing. 01:13:31
Are you making money on the tickets outside of the permits or just the permits? Who? Who funds on the tickets? Yeah, yeah, we'll 01:13:35
make money on the tickets too. And then if it required a boot. 01:13:39
And you make money on the booth. So my and I guess my theory or I'm just sharing the information to share the information we're on 01:13:44
the public here. 01:13:47
If you're doing $10 per. 01:13:51
Pass per month. 01:13:54
Right, you have a minimum of. 01:13:56
A double. 01:13:58
The multiple of what one of some of these other companies were looking at on the upfront cost. So that's probably a pretty big 01:14:00
deterrent when it comes to people choosing to use you. 01:14:03
But additionally, we were talking about, for example, Lecheme, not in Bridgeport, right? That's roughly 200 homes. 01:14:07
And out of those 200 homes, that would be $2000 a year. 01:14:13
To get the coverage in those areas and then those companies make their money on the actual toes. 01:14:17
You're talking about. 01:14:21
You know $10 per pass if you have 4 passes per. 01:14:23
House. I mean, that's the code essentially. 01:14:27
I mean, it's just it seems almost exorbitant to me now. I don't have a dog in the fights. And so I'm not trying to shoot you guys 01:14:31
down on that. I just want you to know, yeah, these are the conversations that people are having and you're not in the ballpark 01:14:35
when it comes to the upfront fee. 01:14:39
Yeah. So it would be $5. 01:14:43
It'd be $5 a month and. 01:14:45
That pass. 01:14:47
Can have as many cars as. 01:14:48
As it as it needs. Gotcha. So it's not actually per car, correct. OK. You're doing the pass per household then yes, Yeah, you 01:14:50
could do yeah. So 4 Max 5 Max. So if we're doing an apartment complex, an apartment. 01:14:57
Say a 101. 01:15:04
Has. 01:15:05
3 bedrooms and you guys want a three CarMax? 01:15:06
We can set that. 01:15:09
Set that permit to three. 01:15:10
And so everyone in that household. 01:15:11
Can can be on that permit for $5.00 a month. 01:15:14
Now how do you do tailored? 01:15:17
For example. 01:15:19
One of the things that was concerning to the Council as a whole, I think last week when we were talking about it, was. 01:15:20
The larger families, right? It's Utah. 01:15:25
We got some big families in Utah. 01:15:27
If you have, you know, three teenage drivers plus mom and pop and you've got 5 cars, do you make? 01:15:30
A specialized, you know, does the council have to make a request to you? Is that something that a resident can send a notice and 01:15:35
say, hey, we need a fifth pass? 01:15:39
How does that process work for you? 01:15:43
Yeah, Yeah, we can. We can do it however you would like. If you would like the request to come to us, we can handle it if you'd 01:15:44
like it to work through you. 01:15:48
Then we can set it up that way. 01:15:51
So then, yeah, we can. 01:15:54
We can allocate 5. 01:15:56
To that household and. 01:15:57
And so that's not that's not a huge deal. 01:16:00
So like on properties like big apartment complexes, that's usually goes to the manager. So if it's different with this, then yeah, 01:16:02
it can come to us. 01:16:05
In my theory, and and this is just sharing where I'm at for everybody. 01:16:09
Would be that we run that kind of stuff through the code enforcement and the code enforcement officer gets developed and you 01:16:13
agreed you guys can do that, right? 01:16:16
Work with code enforcement? Yeah, absolutely. So that you can work that. The code enforcement would be the one that triggers the 01:16:19
toe. 01:16:22
Say it. Repeat that. 01:16:27
You can be the, you can set it up so that the code enforcement officer is the one that triggers the Boo or toe. Yeah, yeah, not 01:16:28
you. 01:16:32
Self defeating in your app through your app, right, But the decision like the adjudicator is the government entity, yeah. 01:16:37
For huge, yeah, I'm pulling down so much that I mean in the complex, well, because they'll look at it and say, hey, this is a 01:16:47
mistake here, this is a mistake here, hey, we're going to do it. And they get to know the community you guys probably wouldn't get 01:16:52
to know. 01:16:56
Yeah, community as well as. 01:17:01
The code enforcement officer was sure just because we're in the work session. My argument against that though, would be that then 01:17:03
you're. 01:17:06
You're doing the job twice. 01:17:10
So you're paying the code enforcement and you're paying. 01:17:12
Easy Park. 01:17:15
For the adjudication when it really only takes 1. 01:17:16
Is is that on an app though? Is that like on a phone that they would log into and see the evidence or see the? 01:17:19
That he could see the code enforcement. You see the. Yeah. So you see the one explained the dashboard. You guys said you have a 01:17:26
dashboard. People can like a dashboard where they can see. And he said we would have access. So I mean, it would just stand to 01:17:30
reason you could send that to the code enforcement as well. Sure. Yeah. So we can build that dashboard too. 01:17:35
To however, works best for Vineyard. 01:17:40
So. So yeah, if we want to. 01:17:43
Make a system where a code enforcer can just put in. 01:17:45
Into a section. Hey, license plate ABC123 isn't supposed to be here. 01:17:48
It can automatically dispatch our driver. 01:17:53
To go over and place a ticket. 01:17:55
Or. 01:17:57
Or we can give certain code enforcers the tools to be able to just do it themselves. 01:17:57
Some mayor When the presentation is done, there's a comment from the back. Yeah. Anything else from council? Let's. 01:18:05
One more quick question. We have a lot of different neighborhoods. 01:18:13
Does it have to be all or one, or could we meet with individual neighborhoods and say they're ready, They're ready, They're sure? 01:18:17
Yeah, we have a lot of neighborhoods that don't need it. 01:18:21
Yeah. 01:18:27
Fantastic, yeah. 01:18:29
Because see our system even. 01:18:31
If they. 01:18:33
If the apartment complex is going to make money on the permit. 01:18:34
NCR system even does that and then because most apartment complexes charge. 01:18:37
Around 50 I'd say average a month on a on a permit but. 01:18:42
They're making that revenue OK. 01:18:46
Councilman there. 01:18:49
What do you do when people don't pay the tickets? 01:18:51
We assume 30 to 40% pay. 01:18:54
So we just eat the cost. 01:18:57
On the other 60%? 01:18:58
OK, it's. 01:19:02
OK, sorry this is just been. 01:19:03
The back and forth. 01:19:05
That we've had for the last. 01:19:06
Two months? Sure. 01:19:07
If. 01:19:09
E ticket me. 01:19:11
Can you give me the citation? 100 bucks? 01:19:12
And I say. 01:19:14
Not going to pay that. I mean it's on the public record now that you are assuming that 60% of people are going to pay. 01:19:15
Yeah, so now we just choose to not pay. 01:19:22
Parker, don't say that out loud. Don't say that. They already said it. 01:19:24
Now I guess the question is. 01:19:28
The escalation policies than what actually puts teeth behind that, is that correct? 01:19:30
Because it's just like any bill. I mean, if they don't pay, it keeps going on, it's going to go to collections. I do have a 01:19:37
question. So if they don't pay the ticket and then you boot the second violation, do they have to pay the ticket and boot? 01:19:42
Or they just pay the bill. 01:19:47
We normally just charge the boot. 01:19:49
Yeah. So it doesn't stack on, yeah. 01:19:51
I don't argue you should stack it on and and we can. 01:19:53
We need to look more into that. We haven't looked too close. We. 01:19:57
Honestly, we've been a little hesitant on that because sure. 01:20:00
We don't want to. 01:20:03
We don't want to cross a line. 01:20:04
You know, and so. 01:20:06
We in Texas, I know. 01:20:07
I know that's a strong thing to do that, but it can get aggressive because some people have $1000 of outstanding tickets before 01:20:10
they get a boot. 01:20:14
So. 01:20:17
We've just been doing a boom. 01:20:18
Sure, Jacob, do you have a? 01:20:21
Could you come up to the microphone that be great and state your name for the microphone please Sir? 01:20:24
Yeah. Thank you. 01:20:33
I'm Jacob Schooley. I am in Lakefront and actually I'm on the HOA board for the lakefront townhomes and had some questions about. 01:20:35
Quite a few things actually. So. 01:20:43
One thing I was thinking for the escalation policy, is it customizable so to where like let's say somebody pays a ticket, the next 01:20:44
time they get another ticket. If they choose not to pay the ticket and then they violate again, then they get booted. And that 01:20:50
could serve as like motivation to pay the ticket the first time so that they're not late to work if they mess up again. 01:20:55
Yeah, OK. Because that I mean that could increase rates of paying the ticket and. 01:21:02
Would still, you know, teach a lesson? 01:21:08
Fix your past before you park. 01:21:10
I also want to provide some context on the price situation, so. 01:21:12
Jacob, do you have numbers at the top of your head for how many households we have in lakefront? 01:21:17
I do not 600 something 91 I think. 01:21:23
691 units. 691 units. OK, so let's say we have 691 units. 01:21:26
And that's $10 a month per unit. 01:21:31
Then the total, let's say the lakefront offers different, right? 01:21:35
Take the discount bro, he already offered you five, $3455 a month, Jacob, isn't it $3? 01:21:39
Then they say $3. Yeah. Was that $3 a month or three dollars? 01:21:47
Bike for just to set it up. 01:21:51
That's so it'd be it'd be $5 a month, but that is. 01:21:53
That can be charged to the residents. 01:21:57
So then the HOA. 01:22:00
I will say that the residents in Lakefront will be would be very against a monthly fee to be able to park in their neighborhood 01:22:03
because in the past like. 01:22:06
That's something they haven't had to deal with and like the towing is annoying but. 01:22:10
Like nobody wanted to pay a monthly fee at least for the first pass. The second pass we charge 75 a year and that would cover the 01:22:15
second pass. But for the first pass, like to be able to park your first car in the neighborhood? 01:22:19
That's something that's. 01:22:25
That's something that will be a major sticking point. 01:22:27
Well, I I think tonight isn't about. 01:22:29
Forcing any neighborhood to do this, it's like this is such an incredible option. 01:22:32
That it's like we've researched something that people want and it's like. 01:22:36
We can go to the different neighborhoods and say, is this something that you guys want to do and. 01:22:40
Pulled that vote amongst each neighborhood. 01:22:44
You know. 01:22:47
Thank you. Thank you guys so much. Let's do this if you could. 01:22:48
Gentlemen, if you could send this presentation to Council. 01:22:52
And it it along. Do you have their phone number if they want to? If anyone from council wants to reach out directly, can we also 01:22:55
post it as part of the general notes? 01:23:00
Awesome. No, this has been super helpful. We sure appreciate that your conversation real quickly. I probably missed this. How do 01:23:07
you get the license plates into the system? 01:23:12
Do people enter their own license plate information or do you? 01:23:17
How's that done? 01:23:20
So we have. 01:23:22
We have a few different ways that we can do this. The easiest way. 01:23:23
Would be that we we send out a link or we set up our whoops, sorry. 01:23:26
That we set up our signs that have the QR code. 01:23:30
And and then the residents can scan that and download their permit right then and there or click on the link from the e-mail. 01:23:33
Or from a flyer, however that looks. 01:23:40
And then? 01:23:43
They'll fill out the information, we can set it up to where there is. They had to put in an address and even apartment unit 01:23:45
number. 01:23:48
And that's how we can do the Max. So like one apartment might have 31, apartment might have one, it might be a studio. And and so 01:23:52
that's how we can do the Max. And so they'll fill it out. 01:23:56
Or. 01:24:01
We have done this for properties in the past. This would be a huge workload for us. 01:24:02
Which I should, I should maybe offer this, but I'm going to. But we can do it all ourselves. 01:24:07
And we can go around and. 01:24:12
We've door knocked in the past. 01:24:13
And gathered information that way. It's a lot slower process. 01:24:15
But we're willing. 01:24:19
I want to say that just so you know, we're willing to work with you on however. 01:24:21
We get that information. That's awesome. Thank you. 01:24:26
OK. Thank you, gentlemen. 01:24:29
For this event, super helpful. Was there other questions? 01:24:31
Yeah, I've got another one. 01:24:33
That's all right. 01:24:35
You did mention that you have a demo of the of the website and how it works for residents, like be able to switch license plates 01:24:36
and things like that. Okay. 01:24:40
That would be that would be something that be great to see because one I know one thing that we that a lot of residents are be 01:24:44
interested in is how easy it's going to be to switch between license plates and also what the policies are for if there's 01:24:48
technical difficulties that are not. 01:24:52
User related. 01:24:57
If it's if like something goes down on your end, who's responsible for the ticket because they couldn't switch, like things like 01:24:59
that, yeah. 01:25:02
I'll send it to you. Awesome. 01:25:05
Thank you so much, gentlemen. You guys are great. Thank you. 01:25:09
OK, let's jump to get a question in the back. 01:25:11
Or a comment, OK, we're just, I'm just trying to wrap this up. Would this be something that you could directly just take them, 01:25:14
take this outline on the foyer or would you like to, I mean? 01:25:18
Come come on up yet? 01:25:23
So a question, a few data questions for you along with the lawyer. 01:25:26
What is your retention? 01:25:31
Mr. Moss, could you share your name? 01:25:34
Oh, Steven Moss with Britt. 01:25:35
Bridgeport Thank you, Sir. 01:25:37
We keep it as long as needed. 01:25:39
So as long as that. 01:25:40
As long as needed. 01:25:42
OK. And then second, where is your data stored? 01:25:43
It's so we we start with. 01:25:46
With the. 01:25:49
A third party OK and so. 01:25:50
They're they're called resolve. 01:25:53
OK. And where do they store it? 01:25:54
My question is, is it in China? Is it in Russia? Is it in US? 01:25:58
OK, their data stored. 01:26:02
Which though might be in different places, so I'm concerned about that. 01:26:04
Yeah, it needs to stay. 01:26:08
In the States if. 01:26:11
Public comments on addressing us. And I also don't like that your attention is hey, hey, Sir. 01:26:12
That stock adjust the chair please, what's your question and we can sorry my question is I'm heavily against data usage that's 01:26:17
indefinitely stored. 01:26:22
Cuts definitely against. 01:26:26
Anyone that's in it? Sure. So thank you for thank you for that. Appreciate you. Thank you for the comment. OK, we're going to wrap 01:26:28
this up and we're going to get going to the. Could I just have one last quick suggestion? 01:26:33
Could we put this? 01:26:39
And just. 01:26:41
We've got a handful of companies that use the digital passes and so I'd love to just. 01:26:42
Put out to bid. 01:26:46
Let's I would suggest having the City Council kind of select a unified. I would hate to have like 6 different. 01:26:47
Things throughout the cities so. 01:26:52
Why don't we? 01:26:54
There's nothing to put out to bid right now. 01:26:55
All of the neighborhoods. 01:26:57
Eased off. 01:26:59
I mean like. 01:27:01
Generally speaking, they're looking for the results of we have to strings and Providence. 01:27:02
Actually we have to put out forbid anyways. Yeah, we have. 01:27:07
That's the other guy that's going to happen anyway. Quit. 01:27:11
Vacated the contract, yeah, yeah, so. 01:27:13
I was just suggesting we just have a unified. So any neighborhood that wants to opt in, they use the contract that we set will 01:27:15
probably get a better rate. 01:27:19
Having the economy of scale from something like this. 01:27:23
Thanks. OK. 01:27:26
Awesome. Thank you, guys. 01:27:27
Appreciate it. OK. We're going to move to business item 8.1 at this time. 01:27:29
Let's talk about this. 01:27:36
I know that there was some people in the in the thank you guys for coming. Sure appreciate it and. 01:27:38
Awesome. You guys are great. Appreciate it. 01:27:46
All righty, let's have a discussion about 8.1. If anyone in the in the is we're going through this discussion and we have any 01:27:49
members from the audience that would like to talk, if you could just raise your hand as we kind of go through the deliberation. We 01:27:53
can, we can call and, and have you come up. 01:27:58
On that as well so. 01:28:03
Moved to 8.1 resolution 20. 01:28:05
26-1 Amend the consolidated fee schedule. 01:28:08
Council, any, any comments about that? Yes, Mr. David Kyle over there. 01:28:11
You have it pulled up in front of you, correct? We didn't get physical copies. So just to save me the time from going and pulling 01:28:18
it up online. 01:28:21
What was the actual verbiage in the resolution when it came to granting the mayor? 01:28:26
The powers to amend fees, so it says, only to make non substantive. 01:28:31
Administrative adjustments as necessary. 01:28:38
Based on our previous discussion, do we want to just remove that Section 5 and it says a city manager rather? Yeah, city manager. 01:28:42
Or designee. 01:28:49
Is authorized and directed to implement the provisions of this resolution. 01:28:51
As we have no city manager, we probably ought to make it something like the mayor or designee. 01:28:55
We don't want to give away that power, right? That's what we were previously talking about, City Council or designee. 01:29:00
So it's non substance. I mean, it's really just small adjustments. It's to be constrained, sure, but like Mr. Riddle would say if 01:29:06
he was here, who defines what the small adjustment is? Because to me a small adjustment is literally any fee on that fee schedule. 01:29:14
Well, I would argue that the. 01:29:24
The tough is not small, so. 01:29:26
The point being. 01:29:30
It's a subjective decision. 01:29:31
Can we say for the immediate? 01:29:33
30 days. So that way he's solving it. So it's a time constraint. Well, no, no, no, no, no. This is a separate thing that right 01:29:35
we're talking about. 01:29:38
Amending an adopted or accepting a resolution for an adopted amended fee schedule that already removes the tough. 01:29:42
We're talking about in addition to that. 01:29:48
Giving the mayor power to reduce the fee schedule on different things. And it is to reduce, not to raise. 01:29:50
Correct, that was. 01:29:57
On purpose so that there's but I will give credit where credit is due and Ezra's point protects us from some favoritism and. 01:29:58
Perceptions of those kind of things. For example, if I want to go become a vendor, now it. 01:30:06
Vineyard Days. 01:30:10
Zach could waive my fee then. 01:30:12
And that would. 01:30:13
Probably not be the correct thing to do. 01:30:14
But it could be done under that, so let's just cover the bases, protect ourselves and do things the right way. 01:30:17
Send it to the Council or make us write a code that gives us the ability to make those exceptions. 01:30:22
I'm fine to do whatever you guys want. 01:30:29
I do not care about this. 01:30:32
I'll support part of the. I just want to get rid of the tough. 01:30:35
So I do not care. So if you want to charge, if we want to charge the herd fascination, let's. 01:30:38
My proposal would just be let's remove that line from the resolution. Let's accept the resolution that allows us to remove the 01:30:43
tough. 01:30:46
With the exception of Section 5. 01:30:50
Correct. 01:30:52
And then? 01:30:53
If we want to write a code. 01:30:54
That allows us. 01:30:56
The power to negotiate or reduce those when they come in front of the council, great. I got no problem having 200 people come in 01:30:57
front of the council and ask for a code to be reduced and I'll tell all of them no. 01:31:03
But. 01:31:08
But you want to be able to go home before 8, so you want to remove that to make non substantive administrative adjustments as 01:31:10
necessary. 01:31:13
Yeah. Ezra, does that satisfy the concern that you brought up as well? 01:31:17
Just to remove that, yeah, just get rid of Section 5 entirely. 01:31:22
Yeah, well, you got to have an administrative implementation in it. 01:31:26
Yeah, that's where my comment was. Let's just remove the line that says the mayor can make the change. 01:31:32
Just there's. 01:31:39
Like between two commas. 01:31:40
To make nonsense. 01:31:42
Dance to administrative adjustments as necessary. 01:31:43
I think the second comment, we're implementing it right now, I'd say the council is. 01:31:48
Passing this as directing the implementation of it right now. 01:31:53
So if we could say the. 01:31:56
Or I just say the Council. 01:31:59
Is authorized. 01:32:02
And I got, I got what you're saying here. OK. So yeah, the counselor designee is authorized to. 01:32:03
Direct and implement the provisions of this resolution. 01:32:09
Period. 01:32:12
Period. 01:32:13
The council is authorized. 01:32:15
Yeah. That way we're saying that we retain the legislative authority to amend that on a case by case basis. 01:32:17
But that way it has to come to a public meeting, it has to be heard. 01:32:25
Yeah, I'm fine with that. 01:32:29
Be a long night. 01:32:32
Also, I'd recommend changing the year on the schedule. It's got the. 01:32:35
2024 to 2025 fiscal year on the. 01:32:40
The backup, yeah, Thank you. 01:32:43
OK. That's a lot. OK. 01:32:47
Anything else on? 01:32:50
This Council to deliberate. 01:32:51
David Pierce, did you? Were you raising your hand? 01:32:53
I'm sorry. 01:32:58
I don't know. I was looking down at here. Yeah, Go ahead, David. Here's Cascade I. 01:32:59
I think Parker. 01:33:03
Your comments are spot on. 01:33:06
Because you all meet every week. 01:33:08
It's not like there's a huge time difference between a request. 01:33:10
And an action. 01:33:15
OK. Sure. Thank you. Thank you, Sir. 01:33:16
So OK. 01:33:19
I mean the City Council. 01:33:21
Isn't like is is not implementing the provisions? 01:33:25
Like that's an administrative function. 01:33:30
Is Jesse still listening? 01:33:34
Yes. 01:33:36
Oh, goodness. OK. 01:33:39
We can. 01:33:41
Say that the City Council is directing. 01:33:45
This resolution. 01:33:47
For the mayor or administrative function of the city. 01:33:50
To implement the provisions of this resolution. 01:33:54
Remove the comic to comic non substantiative administrative adjustments as necessary. 01:33:57
I mean, I don't, I don't see why that's. 01:34:05
Yeah, not something we can just. 01:34:07
Say. 01:34:10
This is making. 01:34:11
Logical sense to me as I just read. 01:34:12
Through that. 01:34:14
So we're authorizing. 01:34:15
The mayor or his designee? 01:34:17
To implement the provisions of the resolution. 01:34:20
And to ensure the updated consolidated fee schedule is properly maintained and made available to the public. 01:34:24
All we're doing is removing the. 01:34:31
Non substantiative administrative adjustments. 01:34:34
That's all I was advocating, OK. 01:34:37
Yeah, good. 01:34:39
Yeah, with that then I do have. 01:34:42
Any thoughts on the actual fees themselves? 01:34:47
Any final thoughts? 01:34:50
I've been very involved in. 01:34:55
Looking at the budgets, going through the audits, those kind of things. 01:34:58
I recognize. 01:35:03
Your concern as a legitimate concern when you talk about let's make sure that we have the dollar for dollar to cover that. 01:35:06
I believe that we are on track. 01:35:14
To roughly cut 2 for one. 01:35:17
When it comes to this expense. 01:35:20
So I feel very comfortable. However, I know Evans not here. 01:35:22
And. 01:35:26
You know, we haven't published those specifics yet. 01:35:28
I am meeting with Evan on Friday morning and some of the department heads to go through their. 01:35:30
Budgets and requests and try to make sure that we have alignment. We're on track for these things too. 01:35:36
To my understanding thus far. 01:35:41
We've cut. 01:35:43
I don't want to say cuts cuts, but I mean. 01:35:45
Identified where we have roughly $1,000,000 worth of savings, which is like 8% of our annual budget to begin with, so. 01:35:47
We're moving into a position where I feel. 01:35:55
Comfortable doing this and we're empowering some of the. 01:35:59
Departments, for example Parks and Rec in the library are really good. 01:36:03
Examples here. 01:36:06
To fundraise. 01:36:07
And recover some of their own expenses and operating costs through. 01:36:09
Cost collection measures right so. 01:36:14
I think that we're going to be in a position where this is not. 01:36:16
Concerning, yes, it is going to be tight because the budget overall is tight and the forecast for the next three years is really 01:36:22
tight. 01:36:25
So that's not to say that this is. 01:36:29
To devalue or diminish your position, it's just to say. 01:36:32
I think that there is a. 01:36:37
Position we can be in where at least this year. 01:36:38
We're going to be good. 01:36:40
And I think in recognizing working with public works, looking at. 01:36:43
What roads are the highest priority? 01:36:47
Yeah, we're maybe not. 01:36:50
Doing the maintenance right at the recommended time, but we're doing it before we have to do the full Rd. replacement type stuff 01:36:51
too, so it's. 01:36:55
It's a little bit of a staggered game. 01:36:59
To my understanding. 01:37:01
But I have. 01:37:02
Confidence in where we're kind of positioning ourselves to be able to achieve that. 01:37:03
So there's also some context. So we explored several options for the Tuffy, and one of the options was to do like. 01:37:09
If we did an across the board 475 for businesses and homes. 01:37:17
You know we, we. 01:37:22
Evan mapped out and he sent an e-mail to council. 01:37:23
And from January to June, that would amount to 89. 01:37:27
A little over 80. 01:37:30
89 Six. 01:37:32
So almost $90,000 and if. 01:37:34
You put it into perspective. 01:37:37
What the tough fee raised was about. 01:37:41
Almost $1,000,000. 01:37:43
And that's still. 01:37:46
We were still needing to put another million for our general fund. 01:37:48
And so even if we reduced it. 01:37:52
The tough fee is so small. 01:37:54
Like it doesn't make a substantial. 01:37:57
Impact. 01:38:00
In terms of like actual I mean. 01:38:01
It doesn't really. I mean, yes. 01:38:03
$90,000 is a lot of money. 01:38:05
But in terms of? 01:38:07
The $2,000,000 needed for the road. 01:38:09
The road transportation Fund it's not. 01:38:12
It's not going to make a meaningful impact. 01:38:16
Any other questions? 01:38:22
For a call for a vote. 01:38:23
Christmas I. 01:38:29
I will give you a motion. 01:38:30
Yes, go ahead, David. 01:38:33
I move that we accept. We adopt resolution 2026. 01:38:35
Dash 21. 01:38:42
Consolidated fee schedule. 01:38:44
To uh. 01:38:45
Has written with the with the exception of Section 5. 01:38:47
Will read The City Council directs the mayor or his designee to implement the provisions of this resolution and to ensure. 01:38:51
To ensure the updates. 01:38:58
The update should ensure the updated consolidated fee schedule is properly maintained. 01:39:01
And made available to the public. 01:39:06
Thank you, do I have a second? 01:39:09
2nd. 01:39:11
All right, we'll do this by roll call. 01:39:12
Oh sorry, the year 2. 01:39:14
Just making sure we update the year, the year as well. Did you get the? 01:39:17
Yeah, OK, I have it down. But Tony. 01:39:21
That's do you have a damn? 01:39:24
I have changed the year to 20262026. Tony's like I'll listen to the recording later. OK, let's do this by roll call. Parker. Hi. 01:39:26
Jacob I. 01:39:33
Jake, I, David, hi. 01:39:34
And Ezra? 01:39:36
Aye, OK. 01:39:38
Resolution passes. 01:39:40
Already we're going to talk about 8.2 and 8.4 at the same time, if that's all right, that they're kind of one in the same. So 8.2 01:39:42
is adopt resolution. 01:39:47
In support of parking and. 01:39:51
Enforcement. 01:39:53
Any discussion on that item? I know that Holden Holden had just a couple of. 01:39:56
Yeah, let me just. 01:40:02
And perhaps Parker already the context on that. So this is what we talked about last. 01:40:03
I worked a lot with Councilman Nair, so I want to say thank you for. 01:40:10
You know, being willing to take my. 01:40:14
20,000 phone calls and text messages over the course of the last week. 01:40:16
We presented the. 01:40:22
Concept for this on Thursday. 01:40:24
To our special session. 01:40:26
And largely what this is, is recognizing that. 01:40:29
Bridgeport, Lechemont. 01:40:35
They have legitimate safety concerns. 01:40:38
When it comes to. 01:40:40
The over. 01:40:42
Crowding on the streets and the vehicles that are parked. 01:40:43
Right up against stop signs. 01:40:46
In front of fire hydrants and on red curbs. 01:40:48
So while there's been a lot of debate and discussion about how to do parking enforcement in those neighborhoods and some of the 01:40:52
other neighborhoods as well. 01:40:55
We thought one of the ways that we could immediately alleviate some of their concerns was to. 01:41:01
Enforced on the low hanging fruit when it came to if you're parts. 01:41:06
And I, I drove through that neighborhood. I told everybody, I took pictures on my phone and stuff. You're parked. 01:41:10
Literally front tire on the stop sign line. 01:41:15
Everyone knows that's illegal. 01:41:19
Right. And I mean, if you go get a driver's license, you. 01:41:21
Have to learn, you know, I can't park 30 feet in front of a stop sign and I can't park in front of the fire hydrant. And I 01:41:24
shouldn't be parking on a red curb. 01:41:27
So. 01:41:31
The theory was if we implement. 01:41:32
This resolution which essentially is directing the. 01:41:34
Sheriff's Department to just do a safety type patrol through that neighborhood in that area every day. 01:41:37
They can identify the immediate safety hazards. 01:41:43
And give them a citation or a tow order immediately. 01:41:47
To help make those streets a little bit safer. 01:41:50
Right. Increased visibility when you're turning into a neighborhood or onto the road and your kids aren't going to get ran over 01:41:53
when they're trying to cross the street because no one can see them between the cars. 01:41:58
So. 01:42:02
The theory behind this is. 01:42:03
Let's enforce on the low hanging fruit. 01:42:05
And let's. 01:42:08
By the neighborhood's time to build consensus and develop actual. 01:42:09
Policy or procedure that's going to represent the community at large. 01:42:14
Thank you. 01:42:19
Holden, do you want to jump in? 01:42:21
I sure. Yep. 01:42:22
I have a question and. 01:42:24
Do we need to do a resolution to? 01:42:25
For this, this is an administrative thing. We already the chief, he already has authority to do all of this. Yes, it could be an 01:42:27
administrative thing, however. 01:42:31
I've drafted a resolution and it's here before that we want so we can make our vote. We're going to vote. That's the beauty of it. 01:42:35
Right now we have two different, you know, avenues of government. We have the mayor and the administrative and we have the 01:42:41
legislative and either one can initiate things like this. To be honest with you, I think it's important that we tie Holdens hand 01:42:47
of like we're speaking as a unit, which is why I made adjustments of like, hey, you didn't know, hold it. 01:42:53
And we'll, we'll go over the adjustments. 01:43:00
Chief Deputy Holden shared those with me. 01:43:03
Earlier. 01:43:05
And I know he had shared them with some of you guys. 01:43:06
Essentially the adjustments to the resolution. 01:43:08
That I had. 01:43:11
Drafted and you know. 01:43:12
Ezra was Co sponsoring is essentially acknowledging that there are. 01:43:13
Operational realities with what? 01:43:18
The sheriff can and can't do and if they get like a domestic violence call while they're out there. 01:43:20
Giving a tow order, they're going to abandon the tow order and go respond to the domestic violence call. So it's acknowledging 01:43:26
those realities. 01:43:29
That I think he's going to present on right now, yeah. 01:43:33
What I wanted to do is obviously we are committed to. 01:43:36
Whatever the council would like us to do within within our legal bounds, right? And I've been part of parking discussions for. 01:43:39
Nine years. 01:43:46
And and very empathetic to the neighborhoods and the parking problems and especially these neighborhoods. We definitely recognize 01:43:48
the need. 01:43:52
For some, some change in these neighborhoods. So I did want to just take just one second to talk about some of the stuff we've 01:43:56
taken this. These are just this month, just since the beginning of March. 01:44:00
This is a map of our city. Obviously, these dots represent citations for parking violations that we've issued just this month. 01:44:06
Now, some of those may be warnings, but they're written. 01:44:14
Warnings or citations left on a vehicle people are aware that they have been parking in illegally. 01:44:16
This is a comparison to. 01:44:22
Every other type of citation we've written for the month. 01:44:24
And then this dot is all of the calls we've had to or all of the case numbers, not calls. Calls will be way more than this. These 01:44:28
are case numbers. 01:44:32
That we've taken just this month within the city, there's the yellow dots. So purple is parking citations, green is every other 01:44:36
type of citation. 01:44:40
And then our yellow is our case numbers. 01:44:44
So obviously we have a balance that we have to take between when we're talking about parking enforcement and the time we spend 01:44:46
with that and then responding to other. 01:44:50
Other things like speeding. 01:44:53
Case numbers, domestic violence, all those types of calls, so. 01:44:56
You'll forgive me. 01:45:00
Help me to understand the case number, What the difference is between that and a call for service? It's a call for service so 01:45:01
these no. 01:45:03
A case number is we. Let's say I get a call for service. Somebody calls in that just has basic questions that does not generate a 01:45:06
case number. 01:45:10
Case numbers are generally something more serious that requires the deputy to write a report. 01:45:14
So. 01:45:19
Generally speaking. 01:45:21
Case numbers. 01:45:23
Call numbers are going to be way higher than what our case numbers are. 01:45:24
Because we get a lot of calls of just. 01:45:27
Civil problems. Things that don't require a case number. 01:45:29
Or don't require a report. 01:45:32
So some of the parks in front of someone's driveway and they can't get out, That's a. 01:45:33
That's got the case number and. 01:45:37
You out and do something. 01:45:39
Yes, yes. Thank you. 01:45:40
OK, all right, with that being said, let's look at. 01:45:42
The resolution real quick. 01:45:46
That's the one I had pulled up. 01:45:49
So I just had a couple of small edits because of the towing company recently. 01:45:51
Resigning or withdrawing themselves from from contracting with the city. 01:45:56
I recommend we change this to authorized towing services so that whoever we hire or when I call for a tow. 01:46:01
The next rotation toe, this covers us there. Yeah, I just wanted to clarify so everybody understands the Sheriff's Department when 01:46:07
they call for a tow, it goes to essentially the. 01:46:11
Collection of tow companies that are working through their dispatch and so it's just the next one in rotation so there's no. 01:46:15
Like monopoly on tow through the sheriff's. 01:46:21
Yeah. 01:46:24
Just add this little section here and. 01:46:26
To prioritize enforcement and proactive patrol efforts. 01:46:28
And then in this one, we'll redline the discretion and put in in accordance with existing law and established enforcement 01:46:33
procedures. 01:46:36
Again the. 01:46:40
Contractor told to change that to authorized towing provider. 01:46:41
And then this is the one that Councilmember Mccumber was talking about. 01:46:44
Shall be towed so that the desire from the Council is for us to tow on these. 01:46:48
Violations here. 01:46:53
We just put that caveat in there unless there's mitigating circumstances, reasonably warned, and alternative enforcement action. 01:46:55
So if we got a call to something more serious, we could hurry and leave a sticker or a citation and get on our way to. 01:47:00
To something that's higher priority for the audience. If you're having a hard time reading the screen, what those were was. 01:47:06
Blocking fire hydrants parked on red curbs, parked in front of stop signs, blocking intersections, or otherwise creating an 01:47:11
imminent safety hazard. 01:47:15
And then the last one is just another. 01:47:19
Take out the contract of towing and put in authorized towing. 01:47:21
As needed So. 01:47:24
Great. 01:47:26
I think those shakers are. 01:47:27
Common sense. So I. 01:47:29
Holden, thank you. 01:47:32
For that, any questions for holding on? 01:47:33
Regarding this. 01:47:35
Do you guys track? 01:47:37
Like when you. 01:47:38
Either toe or leave a citation for a vehicle. Is that in your system? So if you like. 01:47:39
Say I'm writing another citation. Does it automatically say? 01:47:44
This had. 01:47:47
X number of citations in the past week or so. Anytime one of our deputies runs a plate number, it'll come back with. 01:47:49
Any involvement that we've had with that plate in the past. 01:47:55
OK, very cool. 01:47:57
Thank you. Any other questions for Holden? 01:47:59
Not for Holden, I guess, or discussion. 01:48:04
Go redhead. 01:48:06
Could we, since it's easy to see when? 01:48:08
People are doing multiple violations. Could we add that? 01:48:11
The first offense is a. 01:48:13
Citation and then. 01:48:15
Anytime after that, it's a. 01:48:17
Do we want to allow for a warning? 01:48:20
Basically someone there. So we went. We say the first. 01:48:23
Versus a. 01:48:26
Citation. 01:48:27
Takes away the chance to the warning the first time. 01:48:28
If you, if I can just say. 01:48:30
Established enforcement procedures. That's basically already there. 01:48:33
That's what we've been doing as our established procedures is. 01:48:36
Typically will go out. 01:48:39
And for example, I went out last night to drive it and see it, and here was a car right in front of a fire hydrant, red curb and a 01:48:40
foot and a half off the curb. I was like, Oh my heck. So I ran the plate number and knocked on doors. Finally got ahold of 01:48:45
somebody and said move your car. 01:48:50
So that was and we do that typically that's our typical enforcement procedures or a warning. 01:48:55
You know, we'll try and not, I knocked on. 01:49:01
Doors for three different cars. 01:49:04
Good talk to people and said hey. 01:49:06
Starting Tuesday, it's going to get a little bit tougher around here so so please start moving your cars so. 01:49:08
Anyway, well, and I'm. 01:49:14
I think it's just to share where where I'm at here. 01:49:16
You know we've. 01:49:20
Discussed. 01:49:21
Ticketing. 01:49:23
And ramping enforcement. 01:49:23
I understand all of us are having different conversations with different people. I felt like I got shouted down every time I 01:49:27
brought that up for the last three meetings. 01:49:31
And I my perception was that people wanted more immediate enforcement and I don't feel like we're trying to. 01:49:35
Go and create, you know, a hostile situation for anybody, if we were to say. 01:49:42
I think that these. 01:49:48
And I'm not not mad about the you, not if you're willing to go and knock the doors. I mean, at the end of the day, that car is 01:49:49
moving. 01:49:52
That's the result that we want, and so I'm perfectly content with that. 01:49:56
It's just like. 01:50:00
Immediate. 01:50:02
Safety violations, I think, should be enforced the process. 01:50:02
Say again, you made less of an enemy in the process. Agreed. 01:50:06
Agreed. 01:50:09
So I mean I guess my. 01:50:10
Concern, and I would love to get the public feedback if the mayor's willing to let the public come up and comment too, is. 01:50:12
Look if somebody's parked right in front of the stop sign. 01:50:19
Or right in front of the fire hydrant. 01:50:22
And we can't knock on the door and get them to move. 01:50:25
Is it better that we just move them? 01:50:27
For the public safety. 01:50:30
Yeah. Yeah, it is so. 01:50:31
I have a unique perspective on this because I so. 01:50:34
In high density, if you were to park on a red curb in front of stop sign, you're towed instantly. So I absolutely believe that 01:50:36
should apply to public growth as well. I mean. 01:50:40
It's creating a safety violation. It's breaking the law. 01:50:45
So I think. 01:50:48
Towing. 01:50:49
Doing that first. 01:50:51
I have no problem with that. 01:50:52
Yeah, anyway we can allow. 01:50:54
The chief deputy to have a policy have a policy that. 01:50:57
Handles it the way they think best. I mean if they can get. 01:51:01
Car to move right now. 01:51:04
Great. If they can't then call it in it. 01:51:05
Yeah. And I'm like I said, I agree with that. I'm totally happy to to. 01:51:07
Facilitate that we can amend the resolution for something like that. 01:51:12
I am of the. 01:51:15
Perception, uh. 01:51:19
That. 01:51:20
These neighborhoods want safer streets immediately, so if that can't be achieved. 01:51:21
Does ticketing actually resolve their concern? 01:51:27
I can tell you. 01:51:30
Like the reason I brought up the dots on the map is because we have been issuing tickets and if you've drive in from. 01:51:32
Everything the deputies are telling me at night that parking is getting better. We're making a difference in those neighborhoods. 01:51:39
So we're getting some, we're getting some movement in the direction that the neighborhood tickets. By chance, do you track that? 01:51:43
Do you know the people are paying for the tickets by chance? 01:51:47
If you have that, I don't have those numbers on these, they go to the justice. The county justice court goes that way. Most people 01:51:53
pay the tickets we give them. 01:51:56
Yeah, easy park. I don't know. I would, yes. It's better than 30% also anyway. 01:51:59
I. 01:52:09
Change this so we would have some leeway. 01:52:11
In in those circumstances, So I'm comfortable with unless mitigating circumstances, mitigating circumstances could be we knocked 01:52:14
on the door that came out and moved their car. 01:52:17
Yeah, yeah, sure. I like that. You know, I think that's that's reasonable if you want to. 01:52:21
To bolster it even further to officer discretion, we could put, you know. 01:52:25
Within officer discretion, I never like to take discretion away from my guys and then I don't feel like this is taking that away. 01:52:30
There's, I think there's very few laws on the books. There's very few laws on the books that tell us we shall do something. We 01:52:38
absolutely have to do it. Most of that, mostly it's domestic violence calls, which is obviously we all want that. 01:52:44
Other than that. 01:52:51
Our deputies and officers have discretion. 01:52:52
Because circumstances are different for everything we come across. Sure. 01:52:55
Any other comments, counsel? Parker asked. 01:53:00
Is there anyone in the audience? 01:53:02
Like to speak to this. 01:53:04
Give us guidance in your all knowing wisdom, David. 01:53:06
Daria. Come on. Well, Darius. 01:53:10
Some speak for all the residents of Vineyard. 01:53:13
I just have a couple little things, Daria Evans, Villas resident. 01:53:17
It's just spelling. 01:53:23
The first paragraph. 01:53:28
It says gardens it should read. 01:53:30
Garden Thank you Diane. Would appreciate also section also Section 1 it. 01:53:32
It says gardens it should read the garden. 01:53:38
And in operation Neighborhood Shield. 01:53:42
The paragraph beginning. 01:53:45
With staff. 01:53:47
Will review Vineyard City code with the City attorney and Chief Deputy Rockwell. 01:53:48
Your last name is Rockwell. 01:53:53
It should not be. 01:53:55
Chief Deputy Holden. 01:53:57
To give him the property, to say his chief deputy, so whoever. 01:53:59
Replaces it later on, but at this moment it's. 01:54:02
It's Chief Deputy Rockwell. You can't leave Holden now. Yeah, well, and then. 01:54:05
Phase Three. 01:54:12
The last sentence. 01:54:13
This phase allows for property owners an opportunity to correct violations voluntarily and for assess students. 01:54:14
But I think we should change it to occupants, because we might not. 01:54:22
Be students and that would limit. 01:54:26
The scope if you just said students. 01:54:28
So those are my suggestions. 01:54:31
And also I like the idea of a full time. 01:54:33
Code enforcement and then adding part-time enforcement as the city grows. Thank you very much. 01:54:36
Can we accept those changes? Yeah, I think those are points well taken. 01:54:41
Robbie grabbed those. 01:54:45
If we did, OK, we don't have to word that out. 01:54:47
OK, sounds good. And then let me ask just Ezra real quick. 01:54:52
With. 01:54:56
Chief Deputy Rockwells. 01:54:57
Amendments. 01:54:59
Does that alleviate your concern? OK. 01:55:01
OK, my. 01:55:04
My only comment is. 01:55:06
I know we're ramping up from nothing. 01:55:08
And I know that you don't want to go. 01:55:10
Bam, like just shock everyone in tow. 01:55:11
But I will say like. 01:55:14
Get there within the next couple weeks of like I think it needs to be come a standard of towing. 01:55:17
Like an expectation of like, hey, we've. 01:55:22
We've given tickets we've. 01:55:26
You know, given warnings like this is going to be a standard moving forward of. 01:55:28
You know, stop signs and everything. 01:55:33
It it it just should be known because we had hundreds of people that were here and when he. 01:55:35
Suggested it they were. They're now expecting it because they are so excited. 01:55:40
In fact, that in my all of my engagements, they're like. 01:55:46
Towing is coming and and so let's give it to him. 01:55:48
Yeah. Thank you. 01:55:52
OK, I'm gonna call from. 01:55:54
You're we only gonna vote on 8.2 and not 8.5 because I had some comments 8.2 just we're gonna put 8.2 Okay yeah 8.2 so I'm gonna 01:55:56
call for vote on 8.2. Do I have a motion? 01:56:02
I motion to accept. 01:56:09
Resolution 2026-19 in support of parking enforcement. 01:56:12
As. 01:56:16
Amended. 01:56:17
Thank you. Awesome. 01:56:18
We will do this by roll call. 01:56:20
Hi, David Luray. 01:56:23
Hi, Jacob Wood, I'm Jake. 01:56:25
Aye, Parker, aye. 01:56:28
Awesome. Resolution passes. That's Councilman Mccumber. Yeah, whatever. Yeah, whatever. 01:56:30
We keep it informal around here. 01:56:35
Not Parker until. Can I start with the neighborhood Commission? 10 more minutes. Yeah, let's do this. I need to. We are needing 01:56:38
to. 01:56:42
OK, let's do 8.3 real quick because this. 01:56:46
Have a little bit of. 01:56:50
DK will use. 01:56:52
David, we. 01:56:54
Kyle, would you explain 8.3? 01:56:55
To the Council. 01:56:57
And to the public real quick, where what the intent is here? 01:57:00
So this is the intent is to encourage volunteerism throughout the city. 01:57:02
And to make. 01:57:07
Or to help. 01:57:09
Vineyard events be more community driven. 01:57:11
Versus city driven? 01:57:14
This creates a. 01:57:16
A Commission that will oversee and and base and base. 01:57:18
Recruit other volunteers and oversee other volunteers to be able to. 01:57:24
Work on Vineyard days. 01:57:29
The tree lighting Christmas. 01:57:31
All, all of the fun events and activities that we do throughout the city. 01:57:33
Walk us through. 01:57:38
We feel a nonprofit is. 01:57:40
Needed here for. 01:57:42
Tax purposes for the cell, donations and so forth, so. 01:57:43
This is as. 01:57:47
I've worked with other cities. 01:57:49
Who have? 01:57:51
Who have similar structures? 01:57:53
Provo has an event nonprofit. They actually branched off from the city and and that's the Freedom Festival. They're now completely 01:57:56
independent. 01:58:00
Orem has. 01:58:04
And the Orem Community Foundation, and not only does that Community Foundation help with. 01:58:06
Their Orem fest, but it also. 01:58:14
Is currently raising money for their. 01:58:17
Monument to. 01:58:20
The fallen soldiers. 01:58:23
So Gold Star. 01:58:24
Yeah, yeah, the Gold Star Memorial. And so this the the nonprofit. 01:58:26
This mission will be to support financially raise money for city events. 01:58:32
And city initiatives and what's great about it is that. 01:58:38
Donors can receive certificate for write off. 01:58:42
On their taxes. 01:58:48
OK, would the intent be? 01:58:49
Sorry, no, go ahead please. Would the intent be that? 01:58:51
One day, the mayor wouldn't chair it, but it would. 01:58:53
It would separate off. 01:58:55
Is this? I don't think that's the ultimate intent. Some. 01:58:57
Do some don't or has never? 01:59:01
But this doesn't spell out. Provo did just because. 01:59:04
The Freedom Festival had be. 01:59:07
Kind of came of a life of its own right, and so they just split away. 01:59:09
Yeah, OK. 01:59:13
Great. 01:59:15
Any questions on 8.3? 01:59:16
Well, is there any conflict with? 01:59:19
A city sponsored. 01:59:21
Commission. 01:59:24
Also. 01:59:25
Running. 01:59:27
A non profit. 01:59:27
No cities run non pro profits. 01:59:29
Quite often. 01:59:32
To help. 01:59:33
With the tax status. 01:59:34
The city itself is a nonprofit, right? So they don't. No, it's a government entity, so there's no. 01:59:36
Paying your taxes or paying money to a city is different for tax purposes, so cities do set up nonprofits quite often. 01:59:41
Just a separate bank account of like who you're giving the money to. 01:59:47
And it has a different organizational correct, it is similar. 01:59:50
To that and there are tax benefits to it. 01:59:54
Correct. 01:59:56
Yeah. Any other questions? 01:59:58
Ezra, you had a question last. 02:00:00
Tuesday. 02:00:03
It was the reason we continued it to this week instead of voting on it last week. I can't remember what it is and I'm trying to 02:00:04
dig through my notes but. 02:00:07
Yes, so the the nonprofit versus the Commission, so we're. 02:00:12
There's two different. 02:00:19
Parts of this resolution 1 is. 02:00:20
Kind of a. 02:00:23
Commission similar to our arch Commission or our. 02:00:24
What other commissions do we have? We've got Bissell Advisory Commission. 02:00:30
Some of those other commissions that. 02:00:33
Run by the city. Operated by the city. 02:00:35
Then you have. 02:00:38
This direction to create a nonprofit. 02:00:40
That's going to be a separate entity from the city. 02:00:43
That. 02:00:46
Is run. 02:00:48
By whom? 02:00:50
So the Commission will actually oversee the running of the nonprofit. 02:00:52
The actual. 02:00:58
Legal, uh. 02:00:59
And how it works legally, that's a. 02:01:01
That's a really a Jesse question I ran. 02:01:03
I ran it past. 02:01:05
The resolution passed Jesse and and and asked to. 02:01:07
A few questions related. 02:01:11
But really, it's to basically keep the nonprofit attached to the city and keep some oversight. 02:01:13
Because it is the official nonprofit of the city. 02:01:18
But also. 02:01:21
This model is basically I. 02:01:25
Modeled it after what Orem is already doing. 02:01:28
So it. 02:01:31
I felt pretty safe. 02:01:32
In the direction we were going. 02:01:34
So. 02:01:36
The So the mayor would still be the. 02:01:37
Head of the entity for now. 02:01:40
For now, yeah, I mean that. 02:01:42
Was the idea. 02:01:44
OK, so. 02:01:45
So the mayor is the head. 02:01:47
The Commission is the. 02:01:49
Board. The seven member commissions. The Board. 02:01:52
And the council? The mayor? 02:01:56
The mayor appoints a chair. So from, well, the resolution, as it read last week, was that the mayor. 02:01:59
Brings recommendations and they're appointed by the council. 02:02:04
So we would vote on all of the appointees to be on the Advisory Board. 02:02:07
Yeah, here it says. The mayor's gonna. 02:02:11
Designated Chair of the Commission. 02:02:13
So the mayor is not. 02:02:15
On the. 02:02:17
Foundation. 02:02:19
As a we would not be able to, yeah, correct the mayor. 02:02:20
The Commission points the Commission, and that Commission is the Board of the Foundation because. 02:02:23
Comprises the the board of the Foundation. 02:02:29
OK. Do we have a charter for the foundation already? 02:02:31
No, that's to be drawn up. 02:02:36
And it'll have to be submitted to the IRS for approval. 02:02:38
Yeah. 02:02:41
So what is this action? 02:02:43
Here doing right now, is it basically saying go ahead and explore this idea? 02:02:45
And then you'll bring us a charter. Who? The president? The treasurer? 02:02:49
All those things in and then we as a council can officially take action to create this nonprofit. My understanding it's 02:02:53
authorizing the creation, which would necessitate that they write the charter, they submit it to the IRS, but then. 02:02:59
All of the appointees would come to us for vote. 02:03:05
Who is they writing the charter? If the that would be our committee. 02:03:09
Your internal team. 02:03:14
He said that the attorney. 02:03:15
The attorney OK. 02:03:17
Jesse, do you feel good with this? 02:03:19
This is to facilitate the creation of a nonprofit. It's like to start to begin the Commission. Yes, what I would. 02:03:21
You know his model after ASD or Orem City or? 02:03:26
Provo or other entities so. 02:03:30
Some of your. 02:03:32
Questions are quite technical. 02:03:33
Nonprofits can be set up in a. 02:03:36
And loosely the way that you would want them to set up, but I would give you examples of how others were. 02:03:40
Would be set up, but I'm comfortable. 02:03:44
Going forward with the creation. 02:03:46
And then as we move forward, we can do other resolutions as to how. 02:03:48
Is going to be. 02:03:52
LED what the leadership looks like. 02:03:53
And how people are appointed. 02:03:56
So this is just a started. 02:03:58
Yeah, I'm great with the framework. I would just love to know. 02:04:02
To kind of firm up. 02:04:06
Making sure we have kind of all the documents in place of. 02:04:08
What exactly the mission is? What can they collect money for? What can't they collect money for? Just have that all outlined 02:04:11
before. 02:04:14
Giving just like carte blanche. 02:04:18
Go create a nonprofit for. 02:04:20
Israel, if you heard the end of what Jesse was saying, because you started talking while he was still talking. 02:04:22
But what he said was this essentially gives you. 02:04:28
The permission to get started and then we would create. 02:04:30
Codes or additional resolutions to. 02:04:33
Address all of those things. 02:04:35
It doesn't say it creates us to facilitate the creation of, so it's a place to start. It's just the start. 02:04:37
Yeah, and that is what I understood, Mr. Riddle to just clarify. 02:04:42
We just need to. 02:04:48
Davis, Jesse was talking about. 02:04:50
David Pierce. 02:04:53
Mr. Mayor, kind of have to agree with Ezra on. 02:04:56
On the issue of definitions, because the definitions. 02:05:00
Affect the Commission itself. 02:05:08
Not the nonprofit. 02:05:11
Profit The nonprofit should have the definitions of what it supports and what it. 02:05:12
What it doesn't support? 02:05:17
But I think in Section 2. 02:05:20
The purpose? 02:05:22
More sharply defined instead of just giving a couple. 02:05:24
Of examples for instance. 02:05:27
As a community event is a discrete event. 02:05:30
What time restrictions from here to here it's. 02:05:34
No longer. 02:05:38
Then you know, then a week or. 02:05:39
Or whatever. 02:05:43
The condition set, but that I think that should be more closely defined. 02:05:45
Maybe if I could offer a suggestion so in Section 5. 02:05:52
Rather than saying the Commission is hereby authorized with oversight from the Marin City Council. 02:05:55
To facilitate the creation. 02:06:00
That. 02:06:02
We change that so that the City Council and the mayor are. 02:06:05
Facility facilitating the creation or creating it with the support of the Commission or something like that. 02:06:10
I actually like. 02:06:16
I actually like that it's a Commission of people because it creates. 02:06:19
That's a lot of just where I'm going to sit down and think about how to create a nonprofit. I think you can get. 02:06:25
David Pearce and. 02:06:31
Just I would just recommend to the mayor, just get a wide swath of people that just say. 02:06:32
Who want to be involved in this, but that we come back and approve. 02:06:38
Like we're the approving entity before anything happens, if that makes sense. 02:06:41
Just Jesse had a comment. I'm gonna turn the mic over to Jesse. Go ahead, Mr. Riddle. 02:06:45
Again, I think. 02:06:50
We're at the inception of a process. 02:06:52
And the way I would. 02:06:55
Start the process is go and review. 02:06:57
What other entities have done I would talk to. 02:06:59
For example, Orem city attorney and. 02:07:03
Maybe ASD's attorney. I know of both and. 02:07:05
Ask them how they run it, how they operate it, who's on their board. 02:07:08
And things of that. 02:07:12
I haven't paid much. 02:07:14
Attention to the Commission part of this. 02:07:15
I've just been. 02:07:17
Mostly focusing on the nonprofit. I hope that's helpful. 02:07:18
That's super helpful. I I would. 02:07:22
Support uh. 02:07:24
Kind of doing a little bit more research on that. 02:07:25
And trying to gather some of those structures. I just want to make sure. 02:07:28
Like this is going to be something that. 02:07:31
Outlast all of us here. 02:07:34
If done properly and so I just want to make sure we're. 02:07:37
Being deliberate about what we're doing here. 02:07:41
And I'd like to also adjust the wording of Section 5 to say, you know. 02:07:43
The mayor and the City Council directs. 02:07:46
The Commission. 02:07:49
To facilitate creation and so forth. So we retain. 02:07:51
You know the control in the Council. 02:07:54
He said so the council directs. 02:07:57
The Commission to. 02:08:00
As opposed to. 02:08:02
We were authorizing to go off and do it. So it becomes they become authorized. We don't limit the authorization. 02:08:03
Well, it does specify with oversight from the mayor and council. It does say oversight. Yes, it says. 02:08:08
The Commission is hereby authorized, with oversight from the mayor and council, to facilitate the creation of a nonprofit 02:08:13
organization. 02:08:16
To be known as the Vineyard Community Foundation, is that the same thing as directing them? 02:08:20
And then retain that. 02:08:24
Authority as a question for Mr. Riddle. 02:08:25
Authorizing direct director. 02:08:32
A little bit different. 02:08:34
When you give me the authority, the other one, you tell me exactly what to do. 02:08:36
And maybe where to go? 02:08:41
I guess my question on it then is we're authorizing a Commission. 02:08:43
To create a nonprofit, but we don't have a Commission. 02:08:47
But we're creating the Commission with this, right? 02:08:51
Yeah, yeah, yeah. More or less. I mean, it's why don't you change it? 02:08:55
To authorize the mayor to do it. 02:08:59
Because I. 02:09:01
Report to the mayor. 02:09:02
So just authorize the mayor to create a nonprofit. 02:09:04
And then he can authorize me to. 02:09:08
Do that task. 02:09:11
So we'd be just separating out the creation of the nonprofit from the Commission. 02:09:13
Correct. 02:09:18
I would. 02:09:19
Yes, yeah. 02:09:21
I'd be good with that. 02:09:22
OK. Yeah, me too. Yeah. 02:09:23
Awesome. 02:09:25
I can support that. 02:09:27
OK. We're transferring alignment. 02:09:28
One of my comment. 02:09:32
I do have. 02:09:34
Just a question. 02:09:37
You're going to appoint. 02:09:42
The mayor is going to appoint. 02:09:43
The Chairman of the Commission. 02:09:46
I don't have. 02:09:49
Myself personally a problem with that. 02:09:50
City code tends to have. 02:09:55
Commission's councils and boards select their own leadership Chairman, Vice Chair. 02:09:57
Secretary. 02:10:03
Just curious stuff. 02:10:05
Why that is? 02:10:08
Selecting the chair and again why the mail have any issue with that? 02:10:10
Why? It's in the past of the mayor selects the chair. 02:10:15
Yeah. 02:10:19
I might remember it was really controversial. 02:10:20
Five or six years ago, I. 02:10:22
Yeah, the mayor retained that power. 02:10:25
I I see wisdom and. 02:10:27
But that's how it's been. 02:10:30
I don't think that's his. 02:10:33
How it was always been and it's probably could be looked into. 02:10:35
Yeah, but. 02:10:38
I think something's always been done a certain way, doesn't mean it's too much change. 02:10:39
What you're saying is your post Commission. Post commissions, they choose their own chairs. 02:10:44
Of this yeah code. 02:10:48
Yeah, and again, I. 02:10:51
Personally I don't have an issue with that, but. 02:10:53
And I, I like this the norm. So I'm just curious because you already have that the Commission's going to consist of the seven 02:10:56
members. They're going to be. 02:11:00
Appointed by the mayor with the advice and consent of the City Council, which means all of those people come to the council for a 02:11:05
vote. 02:11:08
Let those people. 02:11:12
Will elect their own leadership. That's fine with me. If you guys are good with that, I like that. 02:11:13
Sorry. It's a point well taken. I think, David, appreciate it. So it makes it improves it though? Yeah, it does, yeah. 02:11:17
Give them ownership and. 02:11:23
And maybe. 02:11:24
To help solve some of the leadership issues. 02:11:25
Have a member of the City Council. 02:11:28
As one of the but. 02:11:31
Members. 02:11:32
Of the Commission, something like that, Yeah, there's kind of. 02:11:34
Yeah, make sure it's moving along and so forth. 02:11:37
OK, OK. 02:11:41
Are we in the point where I can call? I can support it, yeah. 02:11:42
Real quick. 02:11:46
So as part of starting the the nonprofit piece. 02:11:46
As you, the mayor. 02:11:50
Taking charge of creating it. 02:11:52
Will you bring that charter back to the City Council for a vote, or will the Commission adopt the charter? 02:11:54
What it what? 02:12:00
That's council want me to do. I would love to have the council adopt the charter just so we can make sure. 02:12:01
We're not opening a can of worms and having to spin off into spring it into who knows what, some Frankenstein who knows what. 02:12:06
20 years down the road. 02:12:13
Yep, I can. I can support that. 02:12:15
OK, happy to do that. 02:12:17
OK, this is going to be a Franken resolution, and you know it's coming all right. 02:12:20
All right, so we're going to How about this? 02:12:25
Who? Who feels comfortable making a motion? 02:12:27
I move to adopt resolution. 02:12:36
2026-20 to form a community events nonprofit. 02:12:38
With the amendments. 02:12:43
That the mayor. 02:12:46
Will direct the creation of a nonprofit. 02:12:48
The Commission. 02:12:50
Will come back to the City Council for a vote. 02:12:52
The members appointed by the mayor. 02:12:56
Will serve under the advice and consent of the City Council with a vote. 02:12:59
And an amendment that. 02:13:05
The Commission will elect its own chairperson. 02:13:08
And Vice Chair. 02:13:12
And Vice Chair. 02:13:13
Awesome, do I have a second? 02:13:15
Second, all right, let's do roll call. 02:13:17
Parker. 02:13:20
Hi, Jake, Jacob, I. 02:13:20
David, hi. 02:13:23
And Ezra? 02:13:25
Aye, OK. 02:13:26
Resolution passes. 02:13:27
As amended. 02:13:29
OK, jumping down to 8.5. 02:13:31
It is 805. We can go ahead and skip that. That's not it. 02:13:36
Put on the agenda, but it's not a resolution. 02:13:40
OK, so so. 02:13:42
Perhaps what we should do is. 02:13:44
Turn this into a work session. Should we do that? Turn this into work session item. 02:13:45
Do you want to continue it? We need to vote on 8.4 though, right? 02:13:51
5 minutes past 88.4 is nothing to vote on. 02:13:54
8.5. 02:13:59
8.4. 02:14:01
Sorry, it's not a resolution. 02:14:03
It's just we're not going to vote on it. 02:14:05
Do it. It's not it's it's I'm sorry. 02:14:07
It was a work session document. Yeah, OK. 02:14:10
So we don't need to talk about. 02:14:13
OK. And we're done. 02:14:15
8.5. 02:14:18
8.4 is being moved to the work. 02:14:20
No 8.4. 02:14:23
Was accidentally left on here is what correct. Yes, that's it was that's something that we discussed at both of the previous two 02:14:25
council meetings. 02:14:28
Really. Three Do we need Thursday? Specialty voted on it. 02:14:32
No, no, it's administrative action. Oh, I see. 02:14:35
Because it was not a resolution item. 02:14:38
2 Mr. Pierce has a. 02:14:41
Question or comment, Mayor David, please. 02:14:43
Come on up, Sir. 02:14:47
Excuse me? 02:14:56
I lost my page here. 02:14:57
You mentioned the name of an employee. 02:15:04
On the code enforcement staffing. 02:15:06
And I'm not sure. 02:15:09
That's germane. 02:15:11
To the. 02:15:14
To the subject of. 02:15:16
The document. 02:15:18
And I'm. 02:15:19
Personally not sure that's appropriate. 02:15:20
To mention the name. 02:15:23
Of a specific employee. 02:15:24
Especially. 02:15:28
From. 02:15:29
The point of view. 02:15:30
That it almost seems like it's. 02:15:32
This employee's fault. 02:15:34
That there is an issue. 02:15:37
Well, I I would ask that. 02:15:40
Do we know what page that paragraph one? 02:15:43
Would be stricken. 02:15:45
And the word. 02:15:48
Her departure create. 02:15:50
OK. Thank you. Good catch. That was not the intent, but thank you for catching that, bringing that to our attention. It's on page 02:15:53
46 in the packet. 02:15:57
OK. Thank you, David. 02:16:01
Be done. I have one comment. 02:16:04
Yeah, let's do one comment. 02:16:06
Here. 02:16:07
I think we need. 02:16:08
Before. 02:16:09
Well, let's do What are we going to do with 8.5? 02:16:10
So 8.4 was whatever, 8.5 what would you? 02:16:13
What would you like to do? Is that ready 8.5? 02:16:17
I have some issues with 8.5. My sense with 8.5 is it would be best to. 02:16:21
Move that to work session. 02:16:26
I know, right? 02:16:28
But you guys decide my my comment on it is. 02:16:29
What a wonderful thing that happened last week where neighborhoods got together. I don't know about your work group. 02:16:33
But our neighborhood. 02:16:39
You know. 02:16:41
Office smelling like pot. 02:16:43
They all came together. 02:16:46
And we said, who should be your leader and who can unite and find consensus? 02:16:48
And bring two parties together to find a resolution. And I think in our meeting the the conversation changed. It wasn't. 02:16:54
I'm petitioning to get what I want. 02:17:03
Fighting someone else that they want. 02:17:05
And so I think on creating a neighborhood Commission. 02:17:07
I think the wording could. 02:17:11
Be improved and we could do a work session on it. 02:17:12
Helping them solve their own problems, helping find unity. And I think we've gotten so much respect and that's probably why they 02:17:15
slowed down and took so much time to find consensus. I don't know how you can word that, but like, I don't like the idea of coming 02:17:21
in. 02:17:26
Having like a political appointee from like either us or the mayor of like picking someone because it's so. 02:17:31
Beautiful of what we saw where? 02:17:37
Straight to jail. 02:17:41
You know, who do you want? You know? 02:17:43
So I think that's. 02:17:44
I don't know how you put that into a document. I I think I. 02:17:46
Mayor I move with that we. 02:17:49
Continue item 8.5. Yeah, just wait till the next appropriate work session. 02:17:51
Thank you. 02:17:55
Zero second, I'll second that. 02:17:57
Do we have a second by Council? 02:18:00
Councilman Wood? You seconded. 02:18:03
So would that just be April 7th just for clarity? 02:18:05
Or what day is that? I am concerned that it doesn't necessarily need to be continued and it can be killed. 02:18:08
It could be. 02:18:14
Well, no. Some of these groups are going to come before us and they need to. 02:18:16
Yes, elect their leaders and stuff in the next couple weeks, but that is not necessarily the same thing as creating the neighbor 02:18:19
correct mission previously. 02:18:23
Presented uh. 02:18:28
And IA lot. 02:18:29
All of the conversations that I've had with residents around the neighborhood Commission is. 02:18:30
A concern about it just being an added layer of bureaucracy that's unnecessary. And the reality is that we talked about this 02:18:34
previously. 02:18:37
And these these people are still going to come to the City Council if they want to come to the City Council. So what purpose does 02:18:41
it actually serve? And. 02:18:44
We have a good idea of what we want it to accomplish. 02:18:47
But I don't think there's community buy in to want to see that happen or to participate in it. 02:18:51
Seems to me we need we need to fix it because right now we don't have honest representation there that whoever comes, comes right. 02:18:56
And I think we need to go back to something like the traffic calming. 02:19:03
Process that we already have in code. 02:19:07
That allows residents to gather signatures. 02:19:09
And to go for certain percentages. 02:19:13
I would think that if we if we want to modify the the. 02:19:15
Acceptable signature. 02:19:18
Level from 75% exciting to down to something more like 60% or 50 even 51%. 02:19:20
Then you know we can at least get. 02:19:26
You know, make sure we have honest representation that does represent that group. 02:19:28
As a whole. 02:19:33
Not just a lot of this guy, yeah. 02:19:36
I'm with Parker on this one, I think. 02:19:37
There's certain. 02:19:40
Situations where we need to. 02:19:41
Look at potentially not just doing things by the majority especially in the cheminat were. 02:19:43
We've already got 56% as of December 2024. 02:19:47
Of the households that are rental units and so it. 02:19:51
That's really what. 02:19:54
In my in my mind spurred this discussion in the 1st place, recognizing that. 02:19:55
Having these kind of blanket. 02:19:59
You have to get this many signatures, you have to do this percentage of things. It makes it really difficult to. 02:20:01
Be able to craft good policy in a unique way that's kind of tailored to the needs of the community? Sure. 02:20:06
So we had a motion on the table. 02:20:12
To continue it. 02:20:14
Continuously, yeah. And seconded. 02:20:16
OK. So you're asking to amend? 02:20:19
To amend it to amendment. 02:20:22
My thought was. 02:20:24
Do we want to proceed with this at all? 02:20:26
And if not, let's not continue it. Let's. 02:20:29
As a counter motion probably help you. 02:20:31
I was just going to counter to. 02:20:34
Strike it, which was a strike it. 02:20:35
So let's should we? 02:20:38
In the in the future though, if that's a consensus to strike it and I'm OK. 02:20:39
The same policy or approaches. 02:20:44
Instead of coming here and screaming, you know, like it, the public comment period. 02:20:47
If the problem does arise, we're going to. 02:20:51
Build a consensus. Bring an entire neighborhood. 02:20:54
And they're. 02:20:58
There's got to be some sort. I don't know if a leader or appointed leader. That's what I don't like. 02:20:59
I like finds. 02:21:03
Organ, you know, volunteers to organize the voice. I don't know how you call that. 02:21:04
And to bring dictates a residence how they. 02:21:10
Approach their government like. 02:21:14
They can come and scream at us, they can protest on the streets, they can do a lot. 02:21:15
I think what we say is not going to matter in that. The other nuance is that. 02:21:19
Really, this is a volunteer effort if somebody wants to do that, right? So like, we can't make somebody go hang Flyers. 02:21:23
No, yeah. And it certainly helps in our decision making. I mean when now? 02:21:29
All these communities that have. 02:21:34
Set up their leaders. When their leaders come and say, hey, we've talked to the community. 02:21:35
I'm definitely gonna weigh that in my decision to say. 02:21:39
This is an added bonus of. 02:21:41
And we all we already have a traffic calming process in our code. 02:21:44
Which would accommodate that like it would give authority to them if they. 02:21:47
They have a solution and they want to. 02:21:51
Get everyone behind it and they get enough people behind it then that. 02:21:52
It makes it easier helping our side. 02:21:55
If it's going to work or not. 02:21:58
It's OK and they'd still work through Jacob Wood on that issue like. 02:21:59
As an the appointed person to kind of organize whoever, whoever council appoints. 02:22:03
Awesome. So I'm gonna. 02:22:08
I'm gonna call for a vote or call for a motion to strike. 02:22:10
To strike, yeah. 02:22:14
You have one. 02:22:16
Second one to have it, is it second I second? 02:22:17
OK. And. 02:22:20
Let's do this by roll call Parker. 02:22:21
Hi Jake, I want to hear can we have Jacob would vote first so I know. 02:22:23
That's gonna no that's not allowed. Hey this is DKS thing not. 02:22:29
I don't think we need a roll call to strike all in favor. 02:22:33
Aye. 02:22:38
We're going to strike it correct, Correct. 02:22:40
Motion to strike passes. 02:22:45
OK. 02:22:47
That's all we got tonight, guys. Can I make my comment now? Right before we're twisted? Yep. 02:22:50
I just want to say that I believe, I feel. 02:22:55
I've had a lot of residents come out and talk about. 02:22:58
How professional you've conducted the meetings? 02:23:01
Mayor, I love how you allow throughout the entire meeting public comment. 02:23:03
And. 02:23:08
I respect you for that and I think. 02:23:10
Citizens are growing. 02:23:12
In that trust and more people are coming. 02:23:13
And I. 02:23:16
I think that we're growing up as a council, so I appreciate your I move to continue all the other comments to next week's meeting. 02:23:19
You're here, you're here. 02:23:22
You're here for Jake. 02:23:28
Thank you for your appreciate. You're doing a good job. We will adjourn. 02:23:29
Showing respect. 02:23:33
It makes it harder, but it's a lot of respect. Next week is is spring break. 02:23:36
Next week is spring break. What's everyone's plan? Y'all going to be trying to take a vacation? 02:23:42
I'm here, my kids aren't in school yet. 02:23:48