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INVOCATION/INSPIRATIONAL THOUGHTS/PLEDGE OFALLEGIANCE- Tim
OPEN SESSION – Daria Evans from the Villas neighborhood addressed the planning commission regarding Main Street and the flow of traffic. City Engineer Naseem Ghandour gave an update regarding the0 N. and Main Street intersection design.MINUTES REVIEW ANDAPPROVALBUSINESS ITEMS5.
PUBLIC HEARING5.1    Vineyard Waterfront Masterplan
MOTION: COMMISSIONER BLACKBURN MOTIONED TO OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING THE WATERFRONT MASTERPLAN. COMMISSIONER GUDMUNDSON SECONDED THE MOTION. ROLL WENT AS FOLLOWS: CHAIR BRADY, VICE-CHAIR BRAMWELL, COMMISSIONER BLACKBURN, AND COMMISSIONER GUDMUNDSON VOTED AYE. THE MOTION CARRIED UNANMIOUSLY.
Resident Alexander Teemsa made comments regarding how the master plan would address parking and weed abatement. Community Development Director Morgan Brim addressed the plans to mitigate weeds as well as provide parking for both residents and visitors for the lakefront.  The Planning Commission discussed the masterplan.
MOTION: COMMISSIONER BLACKBURN MOTIONED TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING THE WATERFRONT MASTERPLAN. VICE-CHAIR BRAMWELL SECONDED THE MOTION. ROLL WENT AS FOLLOWS: CHAIR BRADY, VICE-CHAIR BRAMWELL, COMMISSIONER BLACKBURN, AND COMMISSIONER GUDMUNDSON VOTED AYE. THE MOTION CARRIED UNANMIOUSLY.
MOTION: VICE-CHAIR BRAMWELL MOTIONED TO OFFER A POSITIVE RECOMMENDATION REGARDING THE WATERFRONT MASTERPLAN TO THE CITY COUNCIL (ORDINANCE22-13). COMMISSIONER GUDMUNDSON SECONDED THE MOTION. ROLL WENT AS FOLLOWS: CHAIR BRADY, VICE-CHAIR BRAMWELL, COMMISSIONER BLACKBURN, AND COMMISSIONER GUDMUNDSON VOTED AYE. THE MOTION CARRIED UNANMIOUSLY.
WORKSESSION6.1    The Urban Green Documentary (27:10), WWF InternationalThe Planning Commission watched the documentary. Video Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o86Ut6kAEMQ
The Planning Commission held a discussion regarding the documentary.  TRAINING SESSION8.
COMMISSION MEMBERS’ REPORTS AND EX PARTE DISCUSSIONDISCLOSURECommissioner Gudmundson gave a report about a program that could help provide students with internet access throughout the city.
ADJOURNMENT Chair Brady adjourned the meeting.   CERTIFIED CORRECT ON: August,22 NOTICED BY:/s/CacheHancey                                                                     Cache Hancey, Planner & Business Advocate
Friday it is July 20th. This is the Planning Commission meeting. We'll get right into it. Tim Blackburn will give us an 00:00:04
invocation. 00:00:09
Our Father in heaven, we're grateful for the opportunity that we have to be here tonight in this capacity. 00:00:15
We're grateful for the blessing that we have to live in this community. 00:00:22
And for the freedoms and opportunities that we enjoy. 00:00:26
We ask Thy blessings upon us tonight as a Commission that we will be able to understand the information that's presented and be 00:00:30
able to make decisions and recommendations that will help to build this community and make it stronger. 00:00:36
We're grateful for those who lead us at the local and state and national levels and. 00:00:43
Pray that we will do all that we personally can to maintain the freedoms and enjoy the benefits that we do, and we do so humbly. 00:00:49
Pray in the name of Jesus Christ, Amen. Amen. Awesome. Thank you so much, Tim. All right, so moving now into an open session. If 00:00:57
you have any public comments, please come to the microphone and state your name and make a comment. You have anything All right. 00:01:05
You just make sure that light is on the microphone. 00:01:22
Yeah, if it's green, you're good. 00:01:26
OK. 00:01:31
There, OK. 00:01:35
My name is Daria Evans, I live in the villa, 55 in older community. Thank you for letting me have this time to make a public 00:01:36
comment. I really enjoy living here in Vineyard. My husband and I are really enjoying it, I just have some concerns. 00:01:45
As we move forward with the front runner and the waterfront Main Street where we live, 600 N to 400 N, I'm really concerned about 00:01:55
the flow of traffic. 00:02:01
And. 00:02:07
What we can do to make sure that people can get out of 600 N Loop Rd. and 400 N Loop Rd. I mean 400 N Excuse me? 00:02:09
I've been asking for the 400 N. 00:02:19
Street light to get put in this year but it might not be done. But also if we could have some type of calming measures or helpful 00:02:24
measures to help the 600 N Loop Rd. 00:02:30
So we have access to get out onto 800 N because right now it's very difficult. And that's just my public comment. Thank you for 00:02:37
all you do. 00:02:42
Thank you so much, Daria. Yeah, I know that we're trying to push for the 400 N to get in soon. I don't know what the schedule's 00:02:48
like for that machine. Do you have any? 00:02:53
Alright, so I'm missing the door saying you know, and I appreciate your comments in regards to your concerns. Also, city received 00:02:58
designs for 400 N and Main Street for traffic. Four way traffic signal with possession crossing. So the city residents will have a 00:03:07
four way stop control stop with, you know, flashing lights for the vehicles and allow pedestrians to cross the road safely. 00:03:16
On all four sides of 400 N and Main St. 00:03:25
So we received the designs for that. We're going to be finalizing. We plan on putting it out for construction bids. This is July. 00:03:31
So yeah, end of July, beginning of August for contractors to push through. In terms of timing for construction, it's hard to say 00:03:38
of course, because with the current atmosphere of how construction timelines, materials, etcetera. 00:03:46
You know, there's if I guarantee you something, I would be telling you why I'm not going to do that, ma'am. 00:03:54
For sure, but then I mean obviously costing my fingers and hopefully I'll get struck by lightning. But here, you know, the fact is 00:03:59
when when it goes out to bid, obviously contractors want to get get paid. So the expectation is that they'll start work properly 00:04:07
on that. So our our goal is to head by the end of August and that time frame is our goal for the full way in terms of. 00:04:15
Main Street and 600 N Excuse me when the traffic signal at 800 N is placed. 00:04:24
In Main St. 00:04:32
Signal at 400 N and Main Street is placed in You'll see five other improvements when it comes to traffic flow with four Essex in 00:04:33
the north and Main Street near. Because what we call is the increased gaps which are programmed with the with the signals. And I 00:04:40
know now the city. Morgan, the community planning community development director this evening has been working hard about pushing 00:04:46
forward with a road guide what they call. 00:04:53
Along Main Street, which is so actually help help the flow in terms of. 00:05:00
Allowing people not to. 00:05:06
Speed on the road and providing more safes for pedestrians and I'll do the prime example today on my way in back from Salt Lake 00:05:08
City into the office on Main Street and 400 N someone decided they need to do a left hand turn did not want to wait for the cars 00:05:15
to clear and decide that they wanted to left enter into oncoming traffic. We through uncommon traffic and make their way into the 00:05:21
northbound lane totally. 00:05:28
Illegal. And it does frustrate people. I'm frustrated me and I'm sure it would frustrate other people. And of course, if I was not 00:05:35
driving the speed limit, I'd probably not be here right now to talk to tell you about the example. 00:05:41
But we're definitely keeping our eyes on that. So 800 N and Main Street traffic signal is going to be operational for. 00:05:47
August, August 8th. Yes ma'am. Sorry. 00:05:59
Instead of the operational, you'll see some, you'll see some. 00:06:03
Improvements, but when you'll you'll see really see the improvements when 400 N and 800 N signals are placed and then they worked 00:06:07
in tandem together now. 00:06:12
So I apologize for the long answer, but I really wanted to put it on record that there are people out there that are not driving 00:06:20
sparkly. So please, if anyone's listening to this, please drive safe and smart. Thanks, Naseem. All right, we don't have any 00:06:25
minutes for reviewing approval and no business items, so we'll just go straight into the public hearing for the Vineyard 00:06:30
Waterfront Master Plan. 00:06:35
Great. Thank you. 00:06:42
Thank you. Sorry, do I have a motion? But should I make a motion? All right, I have a motion to open up the public hearing. I do 00:06:44
so make a motion to open it up for public hearing. Do I have a second? I'll second that. Thank you. All in favor, Aye. All right. 00:06:49
Thank you, Chair and commissioners. I appreciate your time. 00:06:54
And also your hard work on this, on this plan. We spent the last year working on the waterfront plan. 00:07:00
In a very unique situation, being a very urbanized city, but also having a lot of adjacency to natural open space and a lot of 00:07:07
beauty right out of our our front door. And and that's one thing that's very great about Vineyard is unlike other cities around 00:07:15
the the lake dinner has decided to have the lake be its front door. And you see that expressly within the the downtown plan. 00:07:23
So the idea with water thrown master plan was to try to marry kind of the two plants, the different master plans that we have 00:07:31
going on with the the downtown plan and making so that it transitions into the the waterfront. So you have a cohesive trail 00:07:38
network and and recreational opportunities. So it flows well. 00:07:44
The the the the plan was paid for through the TRCC grant. That's the tourism recreation. 00:07:54
Cultural Commission grant something like that. And so we got that for about $3,000,000 and we are working on a catalyst project 00:08:02
right now and and doing more of like the construction design portion of it. 00:08:10
And so I'll, I'll run through the, the, the plan. I think the Commission, I believe you've seen this now three times. We had a 00:08:20
joint work session and two work sessions with the consultant throughout this process. There were also substantial public input 00:08:25
online. 00:08:31
And and also to open houses. If you remember we had the one at the megaplex and and then we had one at the at the at the school as 00:08:39
well. 00:08:45
Plus the public hearing or the public meetings with the City Council. Also the Bicycle Advisory Commission was presented the plan 00:08:50
and provided a lot of input and so it was a very. 00:08:56
Kind of an open, transparent process with the public. The idea was to make it the the publics plan. 00:09:04
And we're the kind of important part of the plan, but the plan provides us the general like. 00:09:10
Road map of what we could do with the waterfront. It's not, it's nothing that is codified within code, even though it is being 00:09:18
approved through ordinance means it's an approved master plan. What it helps us out with is there's substantial opportunities for 00:09:25
tourism grants, recreational grants, and environmental sustainability tech grants. If you have a plan in place, your ability to 00:09:32
get those grants is much higher to put in and it'll make us, you know, we'll have a much higher. 00:09:39
That's right as as we go go for that. We also are hiring a a grant writer to to assist us with with a lot of these. And so we're 00:09:47
we're we're very excited. So if there are themes in the in the plan, you're like, I actually want that Peter to be moved 10 feet 00:09:53
this way. That's fine if you have those comments. But generally when we apply for a grant, say if we want to build like up here, 00:09:59
but it's not located exactly where it show the master plan. The idea is the master plan is, is just a reflection of of kind of 00:10:05
the. 00:10:11
Except that that we'd like to see and but we're still kind of with things the compliance with that plan yes. So let's say if it's 00:10:17
moved, you know, 200 feet or something like that. I I wouldn't get so hung up on this specific details. What typically happens as 00:10:24
we move forward with a project, we go through the construction and drawing process and then we go to the Planning Commission, the 00:10:30
City Council for the site plan. And so as things get implemented, you'll have a lot of. 00:10:36
Input through the actual site planning process of elements as as they get as they get approved. 00:10:44
So I wanted to point out just just a few things. 00:10:50
That I thought that were interesting what this graph right here shows this circle pie graph wheel thing is one of the questions 00:10:54
that was asked is how if you were to access the waterfront from your home, how would you get there? And the majority of people 00:11:00
said they would walk and also bike and very few people said that they would actually drive. And so that's a really interesting 00:11:06
thing because we know from locally our residents here. 00:11:12
Their their preferred method of traveling to our waterfront is, is is not by car. And that's, and that's really good thing. That 00:11:19
also helps inform us as we make investments along the lake that when we do build parking, most likely the parking that we should 00:11:26
be building should be for tourism and economic development and bringing people outside of the city, but also to make sure that we 00:11:32
have a large investment in getting people. 00:11:38
Our residents to the lake via trails and walking and you know, and you know, we're also exploring like the shared bike programs 00:11:45
and and and and the and the scooters, you know, the the shared scooter programs and those kind of methods. 00:11:52
So I thought it was pretty interesting. 00:11:59
And also just a, another thing, I think this was taken from the, when we had the open house at the school and unfortunately we 00:12:03
didn't get a ton of people out on because that's when we had the, the IT was raining. We had kind of a little snowstorm, but what 00:12:09
about 50 or so people attended that? And what I thought was interesting, it was like this question of how often do you use the 00:12:16
Utah Lake Trail? And you know, at least those that came. 00:12:22
Percentage wise it was pretty good, you know, a couple times a week and that's, that's really nice to see that there, there are a 00:12:29
lot of people that that they use it just I think it was like. 00:12:35
It was during, it was during the school year, it was a few months ago. I'd lose cash and I, we walked from the Center St. 00:12:40
trailhead to where it dead ends and back. We just wanted to go out there and, and, and see a couple of a couple things that some 00:12:47
residents had pointed out to us and we counted close to 50 trail users. 00:12:53
Going to a dead end and and so that shows that there's a massive demand to to access the lake and access the trailer. You'd see 50 00:12:59
people within about, you know, quarter mile walking toward that end. And so it shows that people love just want to be by the water 00:13:06
and we're going to see the. 00:13:12
The worst of the trailer and over waterfront is going to grow substantially as our population grows, the downtown grows, but also 00:13:19
as the trail network gets connected regionally. And there's been funding that was appropriated through the the legislature that 00:13:27
would fund the connection down to the Provo Delta. And so that's a pretty significant. 00:13:34
Connection, I think it's broken into 3 phases and we're still trying to work out like ownership. And there's a few kind of 00:13:43
technical things that, that we're trying to work out. But potentially in the next three or five years, you could have all the way 00:13:48
down to the Delta. And that would mean regional connections within the Orem Trail system too. So you're going to see that that 00:13:52
explode. 00:13:56
So I missed the shows like some some photos of the of the open house and some of the site visits that we had. 00:14:06
A lot of with the the consultant and working with the work with the public was looking at inspiration. There's a lot of 00:14:13
seasonality. That was something that was really important was that we want year round uses on, you know, on on the waterfront, not 00:14:20
just summertime and and spring and that kind of stuff. And so that's something that was taken into consideration. 00:14:27
The waterfront wasn't broken into three planning areas. That kind of made sense. There seemed to be 3. 00:14:35
Yeah, from my kind of a theme standpoint, distinctions on our 3.4 miles of waterfront, the north being next to the, the, the 00:14:42
downtown looked like a great place where if we're going to focus on high energy type uses tourism, bringing people to like a 00:14:49
boardwalk with retail restaurants that would that would front the the the water that that would be a place to do it. The central 00:14:55
area that's very close to residential. 00:15:02
So it's the backside of James Bay. It's a lakefront of the Town Center and also of the Shores development. 00:15:09
And so this is that where you can still have some recreation, but they're, they're not as high energy. It's more for, you know, 00:15:16
families to walk and maybe some places where you could access both the water and then the South end being more of like a quiet 00:15:23
kind of a peaceful place. This is where it starts to transition into the Caraway conservation area. And so there seem to be 3 00:15:30
distinct areas along our waterfront. And so this was kind of the overall design concept of looking at. 00:15:36
At a waterfront, like the flow of water, but in a big emphasis on that, obviously the water comes down, hits the mountains. 00:15:44
The mountains are our great water catch. They take the water to the rivers and then to the lake and then the cycle continues. And 00:15:52
so we're fortunate enough to be part of that, that great water cycle living right on the on the lake. 00:15:59
Since I know you have been presenting this a million times, so I'll I'll try to kind of hit the main points. 00:16:09
So starting with this north and there's a few. 00:16:16
Kind of man elements. One of the things that was interesting is the reuse of the storm water detention system that they gave the 00:16:19
mill had used for a long time. It's still in use at some level of strong water missing could probably talk more to that. But the 00:16:27
idea is at some point we do not remediating it and there's a requirement from I believe it's Flagship and US Steel to do some 00:16:34
remediation on that. Now that's a longer term out. 00:16:41
So it'll it'll happen in a while, few years out. But some of the ideas that were floating was one was doing like a Marina village. 00:16:49
Right now there's a list of over. I think it's last time we checked it was like 40. 00:16:55
Boats that that were on a list for the London Marina. 00:17:03
So there's a huge demand for for access from a motorized standpoint. So that was one of the ideas. Is there a way to build 00:17:09
facilities for motorized boats? 00:17:14
And other things, looking at our N promenades, there's there's two promenades, there's a lake promenade that goes from the trade 00:17:19
station down down to the water. And then there's the north promenade that also takes an east, West orientation through downtown to 00:17:27
the lake. And there's a portion of that storm water detention facility as an extension of the promenade that brings you out to the 00:17:34
lake. And also looking at so those kind of frame in the central part of the boardwalk, the boardwalk would be. 00:17:41
These buildings here and here where you have ground for retail restaurants, there's a big focus on trying to see if we get someone 00:17:49
who come cool local type or restaurants where people could come down, enjoy the water and then build out a boardwalk park where 00:17:56
they could go outside eat. There's been a lot of interest also in doing like a an urban skate park on the water. And so those are 00:18:03
some things that we could explore in in in the future. 00:18:10
The peers are very significant. 00:18:18
During like a really kind of unique period on the South end back at multiple uses. 00:18:21
And and also one on the North End and you would use that peer system for what was called the Geo tubes. If you remember that the 00:18:31
consultant's talking about that. So the YouTube is kind of what holds back the water if it allows to dredge that portion of the 00:18:37
waterfront. That was a big complaint from a residence was would like to go to the water. But I mean, we can walk half a mile out 00:18:43
there and we're still left black at our calves. And so we want to be able to swim and not not be a muck. So the idea is eternity 00:18:49
with some sort of. 00:18:55
Sand server wall that we go out here and frame in the beach area so that people can actually swim so that and and provide access 00:19:02
for non motorized type type boats like kayaks and paddle boards. We also have a really big windsurfing population that if you go 00:19:11
out there on a Friday Saturday Sunday that it's it's a it's a very popular thing and so. 00:19:19
You know, this could be an area where you could help to cause support that that activity that's already been very successful. 00:19:28
Do anything to know too is the beachhead right now is basically like right here. It's about 300 feet in length from north-south 00:19:35
orientation. So it's not it's not very long. I mean, obviously you can walk kind of through, you know, some of that the vegetation 00:19:41
that does down there. The idea is to extend it from 300 feet down to about 1800 feet. So make it like a really true nice beach 00:19:48
that's that has a lot of depth to it. 00:19:55
But then it also the elevation drops off and there's a lot of dredging. 00:20:03
So they can access the water. 00:20:06
So those are some really important things that the the citizens wanted. 00:20:09
There are some some other things that are more kind of lofty girls that are kind of cool that you have like potentially putting 00:20:14
like a some sort of a unique restaurant out on the on the pier Rockville thought that would that would be kind of a cool 00:20:20
experience to be able to go out there and I don't have fish tacos or something. This seems obsessed with tacos. So like you do. 00:20:27
So like there's a list of progress, you know, went over a lot of them. These are just some like kind of the photos of the 00:20:36
inspirational kind of ideas of of how it could be programmed. 00:20:41
So when we go into like the central waterfront, that's the centerpiece lakefront townhomes, the shores and also. 00:20:49
James Bay neighborhoods, the scenario we do have to be very careful with because you're budding literally people's backyards. But 00:20:57
what's nice about the lake is there is a drop off at elevation in some places it's about 20 feet. So where it's green, where you 00:21:05
have the you got the the compromise line right here, there's a significant drop off and so it provides a lot of opportunities 00:21:12
where you could do some things down lower near the water than. 00:21:19
Than what you could do up on the shelf. 00:21:27
We did have some concerns about the like the concept of doing Frisbee golf right here next to the residential where a lot of 00:21:30
people and kids would be on the trail. And so we're actually looking at potentially if we do Frisbee golf that we move it down 00:21:36
further to the change in elevation, but actually create kind of a nice separation so that you're not having, you know, Frisby 00:21:42
still thrown at your head. So there was some concern about that. Our consultants did look at they weren't they weren't overly 00:21:48
concerned. There's a lot of examples where. 00:21:53
Do have prism golf, but if we could move that further down a drop in the elevation, plus there's a lot of vegetation that 00:21:59
separates the kind of the, the step from the, you know, the upper step from the lower step. And so if we get Frisbee golf, lower 00:22:05
would probably be a, you know, at least a better spot to to try it. 00:22:11
The social shows tell us some improvements to the Sunset Beach Park. That's a really successful busy park right now. That's along 00:22:18
with the really tall metal slide that people I think complain about the how hot the slide is. And so by the way that, you know, 00:22:25
trying to do it kind of an extension of that park into more of the natural area potentially providing. 00:22:32
Areas where you know, like small peers that could be pulled out during the summer and then pulled back in in winter. 00:22:40
Ways to sell paddle boards and people with Canoes and kayaks and can access the water without having to to walk them through like 00:22:47
muck and that kind of stuff. And so that's generally the idea here. Another cool concept is providing shade within I believe is 00:22:54
like every 100 to 200 feet, the rabbits restaurant theme. That's really important when you're on a trail to be able to, to have 00:23:02
access to water. So providing means for for, you know, water for your pets or just so you can drink. 00:23:09
But also places where you have shade, where you don't, you're not, you know, baking in the sun. 00:23:17
And so this yeah, just got some concepts that shows the. 00:23:25
From the golf area, kind of the Sunset Beach extension and how you pick it, program the extension off the Sunset Beach. 00:23:31
Such a simple conscious this is the Center St. trailhead right now. That's a very successful trailhead in terms of people wanting 00:23:42
to be there. We know that it's it's going to driven some of the shore residents crazy. So the City Council recently approved or 00:23:48
the RDA double S in the City Council, they approved. 00:23:53
Parking 24 parking stalls on 300 W to try and build more capacity and to push people from parking in the neighborhood to the 00:24:01
actual part parking lot on 300 W. 00:24:06
And so we'll try to implement improvements to that that trail head as time time goes on. 00:24:12
And here's the South Park, and it's important to point out the South part of the the South planning segment of the waterfront plan 00:24:20
is, you know, there's a lot of. 00:24:25
Kind of controversy or conflicts with with the ownership and so those are some things that need a need to work themselves out 00:24:30
whether it's in the core system or not. I know there's private property, you know or there's you know people that believe they own 00:24:37
the property and then DLN believe that they own it. And so hopefully that can work itself out We decided to still try to plan for 00:24:43
it so that. 00:24:49
If there were opportunities, we we would be able to move forward with, with some cool enhancements down there. 00:24:56
So this is an area I would have bought the holdaway fields and alcohol fields. It was holiday farms, overlay fields development. 00:25:01
We are moving forward with the park, the lakeside park here with for a pickleball courts and I know a lot of people have been 00:25:09
asking for that. And then this would be like the trailhead park that would provide 14 park installs. So there'll be access to the 00:25:16
trail that would make a connection here. Right now the trail stops right here at the South end of the shores and so. 00:25:24
Development at a minimum, when we could get a trail on the private property side we would like, we're trying to work. 00:25:31
You know, through that ownership issue and if we can, we do have the the funding to build the actual Utah Lake Trail, which would 00:25:40
go down further by the water. 00:25:44
And, and some of the ideas of stability equestrian area, that was something that we heard from quite a few people that they love 00:25:49
an opportunity to ride horses down, but by the lake and even something that's well programmed where they could do like riding 00:25:55
lessons. And those those kind of kind of things kind of harken back to our, our heritage roots of farming and you know, the 00:26:01
agricultural type uses that used to be here. 00:26:06
Also we have a quick question, is that the just to to Orient that's the work caraway? 00:26:14
To the right on that yeah this is this is what Caraway down here I know that we would love to see what Caraway actually extend all 00:26:20
the way up here but that's part of that that ownership issue So once that's worked out I mean we'd love to see that this 00:26:27
incorporated into the care right conservation area, but also try to get some uses in here we've also have been looking at there 00:26:35
there's a demand on the on the lake somewhere to build a a Nature Center so something where kids. 00:26:42
Come down, they can learn about the ecology of the lake where the different universes USU UVU, the way you could have, you know, 00:26:50
remote campuses where they could study the biology of the lake and and we feel like this would be a really great location because 00:26:57
you have the trailhead park right here. There'll be street parking next to this park with a nice pavilion initiated. And so we 00:27:05
felt like this would be a really great spot to put a a Nature Center and a kind of a. 00:27:12
Place, you know, if there's a school bus with with like students that wanted to come down and learn about the the lake. 00:27:20
So I mean those are the main elements. 00:27:27
And that that's it. Yeah. It's up for public hearing tonight. And after you all make a recommendation, I'll go to the City Council 00:27:31
for adoption. And like I said before, what it does is it provides a master plan. It's conceptual. And I would, I would assume just 00:27:37
like the general plan as as we want to do things differently, you know what we'll do amendments just like the general plans 00:27:43
throughout the years. So this is, I feel a good starting point for us. Thank you, Morgan. Yeah, it's been, it's been fun working 00:27:49
on the. 00:27:55
Seeing it evolve and everything, I think it's great. 00:28:01
Any public comments whether you guys want to? 00:28:06
Anything you want to. 00:28:09
Ask a question about or make a comment about. 00:28:11
Now would be your time before we close the public hearing. 00:28:14
Just make sure you state your name. 00:28:22
OK, yo, what up, Planning Commission? 00:28:32
Thank you for your service, I know it's hard and takes a lot of time and sometimes it's very boring. 00:28:35
I don't want to express my appreciation for the efforts that you all have gone through to try to gauge public sentiment and get 00:28:44
input as you put together in tandem with the developers and whatnot, so thank you. I wanted to share a few thoughts that are 00:28:52
tangenial to this as well as related to it. I haven't been to a meeting for a very long time at all since I've moved here. 00:29:00
Also, my name is Alexander Teensma and I am a Vineyard resident. 00:29:09
Gotta get that on the record right? 00:29:14
So the thoughts that I had. 00:29:17
Our first, I understand that the Planning Commission and the City Council may currently be looking at an ordinance to regulate 00:29:22
short term rentals such as Airbnb and VRBO. And you can correct me if I'm wrong. I don't mind. Sorry to interrupt you, Alex. So 00:29:29
this is specifically a public hearing for the Waterfront plan right now. Right now. OK, yes, OK. So I was just going to say that I 00:29:36
think it would be prudent on the part of the Planning Commission. 00:29:43
Those aircraft in the ordinance to write into it. 00:29:50
That watercrafts and recreational vehicles and trailers be differentiated from Adus and single family homes for the purpose of 00:29:55
regulating them differently because there are nuances that may not be fair to the owners of lorry craft. I intend to use them as 00:30:03
short term rentals when they're out of town or because they have a home that they live in full time. Yes, don't worry. 00:30:11
I know what's up. 00:30:20
I want to reiterate the importance of seasonality when considering the amenities that we include, and I am appreciative that that 00:30:24
has been given. 00:30:28
Serious thoughts and I hope that we find ways to. 00:30:34
You know, use amenities to their fullest potential, maybe duly used depending on what it is. 00:30:40
I am curious to know and this is a whole other can of worms that nobody wants to talk about I'm sure tonight and you don't have to 00:30:49
but it needs to be considered because or maybe it doesn't. I don't have all the facts but man made islands. I would be curious to 00:30:55
know how the development would be adversely affected or how it would be affected period by man made islands which I am not looking 00:31:01
forward to that if it happens. 00:31:07
In regards to parking. 00:31:15
I think that it would be prudent to include more parking, not just for those that are coming from outside of our city to use the 00:31:18
waterfront developments. 00:31:22
Both the residents themselves. I think that a self reported survey where residents say that they're going to bike or walk to the 00:31:27
development is not truly indicative of what's going to happen because we all like to think that we're going to walk and bike and 00:31:33
ride our skateboards more than we actually do. 00:31:39
It would be, in my opinion, good to look at Grove Park, for instance, to see on any given day how many people you know, what 00:31:46
percentage of people arrive there by car versus walking versus bike. 00:31:53
And that may be a good indicator of how people will in reality. 00:32:00
Get to the waterfront developments. 00:32:07
In addition to that, I think that something I noticed when I was at. 00:32:11
Families home in California, they have an HOA where everybody has a golf cart practically, maybe we have some Golf Club parking 00:32:17
specifically and that would save space and encourage people to use a vehicle that is not their car. 00:32:24
I also in regards to the. 00:32:33
Roadway that would connect 800 N to the I guess it's the northern development. 00:32:37
There was talk about being 2 lanes, one lane each way and. 00:32:45
I can't say for certain because this is not my expertise, but it may not be adequate just based on the traffic that I see with our 00:32:51
other two lane connectors into and out of the city. And so I think that it would be great to consider making that a little bit 00:32:58
wider because I maintain that other forms of transportation are better, but we as Americans love our cars. 00:33:06
Yes. 00:33:16
It would also, I would appreciate seeing a good faith effort on the part of state. This is not your responsibility. I don't hold 00:33:20
any of you accountable for this, but I would appreciate a good faith out there on the part of the city to rein in the noxious 00:33:27
weeds and litter that I see around the city before we include more developments that would require more resources to maintain. 00:33:34
And again, that's not for any of you specifically. 00:33:43
Lastly, I am pleased with all the work that you all have done. Again, thank you very much for all the efforts. I don't think that 00:33:49
this is perfect and I don't think any of you think that's perfect either, which is fine because we're going to continue working on 00:33:56
it and refining it. For anybody that listens to this meeting later, just know that the master plan, general plan are living 00:34:03
documents and we can change it. So that's more to our liking later on. But for now, this is great. 00:34:11
And it's better than what we had before. It's going to continue to get better, and better is good. 00:34:18
Thank you. Awesome. Thanks. 00:34:23
I guess I answered just a couple of questions. As far as the road on 800 N, that's you got Rd. that is going to be one way until 00:34:28
they decide to make it 2 lanes each way. And that the Vineyard connector I believe will go all the way up to Lehigh someday. And 00:34:34
then there's going to be another Rd. that will be one lane each way that's not a commuter Rd. That'll be basically where the road 00:34:41
is now, if I understand correctly. Is that right, Naseem? 00:34:48
Are you? 00:34:58
Kathy. 00:35:00
So are you still for the waterfront? I mean, there'll be two roadways that go next to each other essentially. That'll be the 800 N 00:35:02
in your connector road. And then there'll be another Rd. between the Vineyard connector and the wave front that'll go next. 00:35:08
Morgan, can you show the north kind of button? 00:35:14
And that's second Rd. is the one of the proposed visibility comments law. 00:35:29
And this is if you would you want back. 00:35:36
Yes. 00:35:44
So you can on the map, you can kind of see there. 00:35:47
Where is it? 00:35:53
Well, you can't see 800 N. 00:35:55
OK. Yeah, there it is. 00:35:58
Yeah. So for that, for that other Rd. that's one lane each way, we don't want that to be a high traffic Rd. at all. That'll be a 00:36:00
low speed limit it'll be. 00:36:04
Parking along the road. We want people to be able to cross easily in lots of places. This road up here. 00:36:09
That's the commuter Rd. that. 00:36:17
Is living your connector. That'll be it will be 1 lane each way until they expand it and then it'll be two lanes each way. Sure, 00:36:20
and it is new dots so it is not entirely in our hands, but there are plans to expand it. But very cool. 00:36:28
Just to point out to. 00:36:43
Parking is so that is something that this this city is looking at. 00:36:47
There are several pocket structures that will provide public parking within the downtown. The idea is to have people be able to 00:36:51
walk through the downtown or we do public parking. We don't always necessarily want to put it right at the spot because you know, 00:36:58
getting people to to walk is really good from economic development standpoint. We're also providing street parking along the Lake 00:37:05
Rd. so there'll be quite a few parking stalls just built into the system. 00:37:12
We want that to be programmed as parking for people visiting the lake and not necessarily overnight parking. 00:37:20
To where we found is when there's overnight street parking, people tend to park their boats there. They use it as storage. And the 00:37:27
city doesn't want, like the city doesn't want to pay for people's private storage. And so, you know, when we have public parking, 00:37:33
we want it to be for the focus of, of accessing the, the recreation around the lake and like the, the boardwalk and that kind of 00:37:39
stuff. And we're definitely providing parking. So we'll be options for, for getting there by car. 00:37:45
Main investments are going to be into the park space and at getting people on there for bikes and and and walking. 00:37:52
Everything that we have found is from the Vineyard Grill Park and that was a really good idea. We have looked at that. I don't 00:37:59
know if we've done council. We've seen a substantial amount of people attend like the soccer games and talking with Brian over 00:38:04
that through through through the trail system. There's a lot of cars, but it's because we build our city with every neighborhood 00:38:10
connected with the trail and they all lead to the open space. We found that there's a substantial number of people who who are 00:38:16
using the trails. 00:38:21
Yeah, and and if you want to back and forth, you might want to. 00:38:29
Just kind of open it. So yeah, no, it's totally fine. I was just gonna say thank you very much. And I'm glad that you already did 00:38:35
look at Grove Park. It may be good, though, to actually do numbers because it is anecdotal. I'm not telling you anything you don't 00:38:41
already know, though. So no, that's a. That's a great point. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. Cool. Thank you very much. 00:38:47
I had a a comment so so I did notice that the fireworks show. 00:38:55
And in sporting events at the park that there are a lot of off road vehicles or golf carts specifically. That's actually, I kind 00:38:58
of like that about Vineyard. You know, it's a little more friendly of driving these things around, whether it's legal or not 00:39:04
actually, I don't know that aspect, but but I do like the alternative transportation concept, whether it's scooters or whether 00:39:10
it's it's golf carts. I could see as my kids get older, you know, letting them take a golf course if it was safe to to go down to 00:39:16
some of the amenities. 00:39:22
That will be probably 2 or 2 1/2 miles from Cascade. I don't know if that thing given any thought. I think it is worth the 00:39:28
discussion if that's something the law allows and you need vineyards unique and that I could see us having a lot of alternative 00:39:34
other motorized transportation options. 00:39:40
That's a great event. I think as we look at the like the active transportation plan and some of the recommendations for like Main 00:39:47
Street, I, I think there's, there's opportunities to, to to look at that. I know that gets into like. 00:39:54
Kind of the local legality of the types of vehicles that are that are allowed on public streets. One thing that is kind of scary 00:40:01
and the same I saw this today, we have like 2 and they look probably these two girls who are probably 10:50 on a golf cart. And we 00:40:08
were looking at the at at at Center St. and an improvement we're doing there. We're there with our consultants and they came 00:40:15
flying by and we had to jump off the sidewalk. 00:40:22
So, so those are definitely great things, but we we need to make sure that they're. 00:40:30
Placed I would almost rather at that point have have that golf cart in the road as opposed to flying down a sidewalk where we have 00:40:35
a kid or build your trails in such a way that they're wide enough to accommodate those kind of things. But I think there's a great 00:40:41
future conversations. We know the scooters are getting way more popular. 00:40:47
The E bikes, I mean, well, I don't care if you'll say those E bikes are basically a little more cycles now and as fast as they 00:40:54
they go and they're they're so much fun, but it's it's definitely a different thing. So we we do need to be a little bit more 00:40:59
dynamic and look at our transportation system in the future so. 00:41:04
Anyway, thanks. 00:41:10
Did you have something, Daria? All right, if we have no more public comments and I have a motion to close the public hearing and 00:41:12
make a motion to close the public hearing, do I have a second? 00:41:17
2nd that. 00:41:23
Alright, all in favor. Aye, that was cursed at a second at that. 00:41:24
All right, so we'll move into, oh, we need to, unless you guys have any comments, questions or anything or do I have a motion for 00:41:31
the Vineyard Waterfront Master Plan? I do have some questions and observations. 00:41:37
Morgan, could you remind me because I know there is a plan on on public transportation and and by that I'm thinking. 00:41:45
Within Vineyard only and I'm thinking where I live on the southern end, I'd love to be able to get on a bus rather than driving up 00:41:53
here the three miles. What what are what is the plan for some kind of inter community transportation public wise or whatever? Just 00:42:00
remind me of that please. 00:42:06
More than I do, but I can tell you at least from some of our conversations, I mean, right now there's a bus route that comes in 00:42:15
off of Office Center St. 00:42:20
It's that little segment of mill turns, goes this way and then shoots up. I believe the idea is that that will then connect into 00:42:25
the train station and then it'll come back. And so you'll have kind of this segment of the city covered. There's another bus that 00:42:33
comes in off mill and hits the high density areas. I believe that as well. Talking with UTA that would. 00:42:41
And, you know, go through downtown to the train station to the lake, then come back and then maybe go on Geneva Road and then come 00:43:19
back. And I mean, there's, there's different options and but there's nothing that's that's in a plan not to have anything to add. 00:43:26
No, I'm just because that I know as I talk to people of my genre. 00:43:34
Yeah, umm. 00:43:39
We're into walking, but not long distances. 00:43:40
And we'd like to have that lakefront access and and if we're looking at cutting down cars. 00:43:43
If there could be some kind of inner city or something small bus route seriously considered, I think would be really a great. 00:43:50
A great amenity for the city. Yeah, I know in addition to UTA and, you know, all the other routes that they would have. Yeah. The 00:44:01
mayor asked us to explore the automated shuttles and there are some systems out there that are that are in use right now. I think 00:44:08
University of Utah did a pilot program. I think that's still going on where it's automated. So there's not a driver has a very 00:44:15
defined route. It doesn't go very fast because it's obviously a pilot program, I think 12 miles an hour but. 00:44:22
Dedicated, I basically large trail, it's like a 20 foot wide trail that goes through the university and that that and that and 00:44:29
that's that's pretty cool. So we talked to ETA and then you dot about implementing that. We talked to their automated shuttle. The 00:44:36
people that are over like looking at that program and there's definitely some interest in in in exploring it still right now it's 00:44:43
in the very like pilot program type type phase of that technology. 00:44:50
And what they told us was if we wanted one. 00:44:58
We need to have a dedicated 20 foot wide route for right now. It can share lanes, which which makes it really problematic and very 00:45:01
expensive. That's a ton of land you have to dedicate for a 12 mile an hour system. Obviously technology, I can't remember what 00:45:08
they say it's every like seven years or so it's supposed to double. So you know, in seven to 14 years we might be at a point where 00:45:15
automated shuttles are just flying through, you know, right, right in our normal system. So. 00:45:23
The mayor definitely wants us to. She's asked us to kind of stay on top of that and if there are opportunities for that type of 00:45:31
thing to look at it, but also asks us to look at potentially just studying, having a shuttle circulator of some sort that could 00:45:37
hit our major neighborhoods. 00:45:42
Thank you. Other questions. 00:45:49
With all of the park opportunities that there are along the lakefront and so on, what has been any consideration on All Abilities 00:45:53
Park? 00:45:58
I know we've had conversations about that and the need for one in our community and I'm just wondering if any thought has gone 00:46:03
into where that might be or if we could even proceed that way. And I'll let our planner Brian talk about that. He is working, he's 00:46:10
managing the corridor plan, which is our really big 80 acre Central Park plan and that's a component of that. 00:46:17
Yeah. So, Brian, what I, what I can say about that is that we're basing our plans that we're doing with PEC with Lars Anderson and 00:46:25
his crew. 00:46:30
Our baseline for our future designs and conversations that we're having are from a plan that was created by the city and by by me 00:46:36
during my graduate studies and all buildings playground was always a part of a conversation within that concept plan. So moving 00:46:43
forward, that has already even begun to come up in topics fighting conversation with Lars and PC. So it's kind of just a matter of 00:46:50
identifying where it is. 00:46:58
Put it how big we want it to be and where will be best received by the resident. So it's still on our minds very presently. So the 00:47:05
central corridor plan is basically this. It's like, so we're right here in city offices and it's like this fish hook to Gannon 00:47:12
Park, the Robbins property that we purchased that includes the wetlands that go north, north of Center St. and then into Gamma 00:47:19
Park. So it's this kind of whole area. 00:47:26
So the idea is to make one unified, you know, open space park. 00:47:34
Park plan and then trying to integrate an all abilities park within that concept. Good. I just, I just hadn't heard it discussed 00:47:38
and I wanted to make sure we didn't lose sight of still that being one of our objectives for sure. Yeah, we've we've mentioned it 00:47:47
last week in our meeting on Thursday. So it's still around for sure. Thank you, Brian. Couple of other questions. 00:47:55
There, there used to be, as we know, a really great destination. 00:48:06
Place here called Geneva Resort. 00:48:10
Kind of where Linda Marina is now. 00:48:13
And within this new concept, I know we're looking at a lot of different lakefront eateries and, and other recreational places. And 00:48:16
I would hope that we could keep in perspective perhaps recreating in some way the Geneva Resort, which was, you know, an eatery. 00:48:25
It was a recreational area. Dancing. I mean, there were bars and I don't know, there were all kinds of stuff there, but. 00:48:34
If we could just keep that concept somehow in our minds as that whole lakefront's being developed, it would be great to. 00:48:44
To recreate that to the degree we could, and we're gonna have two bars now, so 2 where we're starting. 00:48:52
About nightlife is starting to, so we have about time and then Top Golf, we'll have a walk on it. Yeah, you're absolutely right. 00:49:00
And that's one thing about like the Marina village of the of the plan was looking at that as potentially having like a resort feel 00:49:07
to it. It is on state land, so there's a lot of like complications there. But maybe we do Marina there and then on the private 00:49:13
property side across the street where, you know, that's potentially where we can do a resort. 00:49:20
In some instances, the state will allow, you know, development. 00:49:27
With the new Lake authority, that is that was approved and being basically put in place right now, it's been implemented. They're 00:49:30
going to be opportunities because of big focus to that is going to be tourism and economic development. So there might be 00:49:35
opportunities to to bring back some of some of those uses. 00:49:41
And then a final question or just. 00:49:48
Observation There were two or three places that I read where they talked about the the the rich heritage history of of Vineyard 00:49:51
and there were some other words used in there I. 00:49:56
I'm very hopeful that. 00:50:03
There could be more. 00:50:05
Representation of what that heritage and history is somewhere in the the lakefront. I know in there there's mention about the 00:50:08
native peoples. There was some even drawings I think of TPS or lodgings if I saw that correctly. 00:50:16
It would be wonderful if we have a location that could be dedicated to the native peoples as part of our original heritage as well 00:50:25
as early explorers. 00:50:30
And I know we're talking about having educational facilities along the lakefront, which is great, but it would also, I think add 00:50:35
to the uniqueness of what Vineyard is. If we could really build on that Native American population and perspective and, and 00:50:43
somehow have it as part of our, you know, lakefront or somewhere nearby in the lakefront and, and recreating the, the history of 00:50:50
the vineyard. So I, I. 00:50:58
Words that I saw and I guess I just I hope that now that will come into actual concept from a heritage standpoint. I know that 00:51:05
Councilman Flake is has really wanted us to find some place within the lake promenade and potentially near the lake that would. 00:51:14
That would honor our our veterans, you know, and, and we do have quite a few, I think, yeah. Are these the veterans are here. They 00:51:24
are the veterans World War Two. Yeah, yeah. So there's, there's quite a few of us that have served and I, I, I know that's, that's 00:51:30
an important thing from from him and from the Heritage Commission. So. 00:51:36
Absolutely. 00:51:43
And that's all I have. 00:51:44
Thanks, Tim. Any other comments, questions, No. 00:51:46
So there's a some proposed motion language. I was trying to workout the ordinance number. It's 13, so it's 20/22/13. Should you 00:51:51
choose to prove it, there's there's some language you can use or you can use whatever language you know you desire. 00:51:58
There's a motion. 00:52:07
Make a motion to afford a positive recommendation to the City Council of Ordinance 2022. 00:52:11
#13 Vineyard Waterfront master plan. Do you have a second? 00:52:20
One second. 00:52:25
All in favor, this would be right roll call. All right, Chris. Aye, Tim. Aye. Price aye, Tay. All right, passes. 00:52:26
Thank you. Thanks Morgan. And then with I guess I had a question, it wasn't, it's not relevant to it passing or not, but how soon 00:52:36
assuming that this passes at the City Council level, are we going to see the beachfront stuff happening? Oh, that's a great 00:52:42
question. Yeah, as far as implementation goes, so we are working right now. So we have the grant money to spend on kind of that 00:52:47
northern section. Obviously to implement everything is going to be really expensive. So we're going to take off a little bite 00:52:53
sized pieces. 00:52:59
So we know that from the private sector, they're going to build the boardwalk buildings and, and the retail on the ground floor. 00:53:06
And So what we thought was a logical next step was to build out the boardwalk park and some of the open space areas as you 00:53:13
transition down into the water. And in addition to that, doing the application and the planning work necessary for the the 00:53:21
wetlands to to expand the beach. It's a lot more complicated the process you need to go through with the Army Corps. 00:53:28
And we're looking at that as the Catalyst project. That's what the City Council chose is. 00:53:37
Expand the beach that that's what everyone wants that when they hook into residence, they want a clean good beach so they can swim 00:53:42
in and use. And so but right now with the money we have would be to build the boardwalk park, which transitions down to the beach 00:53:48
go through the application process and once we have a basically construction documents or I don't know what level of the same 00:53:54
probably know better me. But when we have better plans a place then that would allow us to go forward and and apply for another 00:53:59
TRCC grant. 00:54:05
Or some other type of grant to to expand. 00:54:11
The beach, so we're hoping to happen soon, but we'll start to see the Boardwalk park hopefully next year. I mean, because they do 00:54:15
have to, we have to use those funds by December of 2023. And so we'll start to see some good open space getting implemented up 00:54:20
there fairly soon, OK. 00:54:26
Cool, thanks. 00:54:32
All right, moving into 6.1 urban green documentary. 00:54:34
Yeah. So sorry, this is Brian again. 00:54:39
So we are constantly thinking of opportunities that we can increase our sustainability as a city and reduce our environmental 00:54:43
impact. 00:54:48
Give me a second. I don't have it plugged in the link. The link is in the agenda. So if you want me to connect to your video, 00:54:54
Morgan, sorry, I just don't have anything. 00:54:58
And so right now we're actually working on our general plan. We're trying to update parts of our general plan. We. 00:55:04
Want to give up a general plan to focus on sustainability strategies and in terms of transportation, industry, housing, green 00:55:14
space, all these different elements that make up our city and so we wanted to show a video that basically goes through like 00:55:20
examples of different places around the world that are doing. 00:55:27
Awesome projects and improvement policies for increased sustainability. And so we wanted to show the video and afterwards I have a 00:55:35
few questions I wanted to share with you guys and kind of get get you brainstorming on some things that we we can consider doing 00:55:44
as doing as a city to increase our overall sustainability in different aspects. So the video is 27 minutes long. 00:55:52
Can. 00:56:03
Only 1 1/2 times this one too. 00:56:05
Oh, maybe. And is it the last one? And it worked? Well, yeah. 00:56:08
We can try it, we can try it, we can do it if you don't feel like you're getting much out of it and we can slow down. OK yeah, 1 00:56:14
1/2 was really good for the last video OK, let's try it let's try it. It's a good one. I like this one faster talking anyway yeah, 00:56:19
we definitely want you to hear it so if you don't feel like you're getting. 00:56:24
A try. I've seen this one a couple Times Now. 00:56:31
Like in my studies and stuff so. 00:56:35
Second one. 00:56:38
You guys here? 00:56:43
Yeah, I can't hear that. 00:56:46
Yeah. 00:56:55
I do. 00:56:56
Of this guy here. 00:56:57
Yeah. 00:57:02
Let us know if it's too fast moving. 00:57:04
So we set off Inspirational. 00:57:35
Technologies and potential. 00:57:44
Is that good or just checking on anything? 00:57:52
I would like a little slower. OK, 125, yeah. 00:57:55
Harder with an accent? Yeah, accent makes it harder. 00:58:03
There's driver for sustainable future on this planet will be a long or lost in the next 30 years. We expect a dumping of the level 00:58:18
11 population and the dumping of the global infrastructure. That is a very short window of opportunity tonight. So further 00:58:24
investment decisions taken today will determine whether people will. 00:58:31
Into resource inefficient and fossil fuel dependent infrastructure lifestyles, or if they could enable things to become places 00:58:38
where we can live attractive and healthy and stabilized. 00:58:43
Over the next 30 years, more than five times the global GDP was invested in other infrastructure issues, so it's critical for 00:58:49
those investments remain as sustained in the Brazilian way. 00:58:55
A number of actually the state has to take and actually take together is first of all to try to become local, to shift on top of 00:59:02
skill towards renewable energy. Secondly, to become resilient. We are going to face the impact of climate change and it will be 00:59:09
different for one party world. The other part we have to look further into how can our existing ecosystems, our violence we have 00:59:16
in own areas, how can that support us in our disabilities for the other children in the world is tremendous. 00:59:24
Number one challenge for cities is actually on inside the city is to recognize that has to be sustainable in its entire inflows 00:59:34
and outflows of energy of water of food, of all materials. So to see stuff like they're part of a wider ecosystem as you plan 00:59:40
every urban area where the citizen that keeps yourself within a circle of economic model in terms of resources in and out. And the 00:59:46
second looking forward to business will be. 00:59:52
So how long? Cities around the world responded as northern China, one of the most ambiguous, ambiguous climate action. 00:59:58
They tend to achieve this working the board, Rangers, stakeholders, else. 01:00:09
When I first campaigned for mayor in 2008, one of my key priorities was to make Vancouver the world's greenest city by 2020. So we 01:00:28
put together an action plan, worked with citizens and businesses and neighborhoods, put together 10 targets in water, food, clean 01:00:35
air, free business, clean jobs, releasing our carbon, reducing our consumption and 0 waste. 01:00:42
At the beginning. 01:00:53
Worry this was too much for people like that they would be able to see a point eventually because they were totally wrong and 01:00:54
we've had 35,000 residents 180 organizations to engage the regular plan 10s of thousands of residents have been involved in 01:00:59
implementing when they. 01:01:03
Plan. They own the plan. 01:01:07
150 separate city policy initiatives that range from big farms in the middle of a dense city like Vancouver, waste recovery that 01:01:13
we've had, we've had technology that we're doing and green economy. We've raised our green jobs by 19%. We've reduced our water 01:01:19
usage by 18% on greenhouse gas emissions our way down because many more people are biking and walking and taking transit. But it's 01:01:24
really the innovation is how do you marry a government to the residents, to businesses, to the different civil society groups and 01:01:29
making a collective effort. 01:01:35
Taking a fossil fuel for the city. 01:01:44
Possible that requires. 01:01:47
Once the technology is right, they happen very quickly. And I think electric cars, solar energy, energy, they're right. A lot of 01:02:26
people think they have this forecast for, you know, 2040. We're having just a bit more percentage of these. I think the 01:02:31
transformation is going to happen so quickly, but most of the forecasts are going to be quite short. 01:02:36
Technologies are better technologies for the consumers and we've crossed the price point where they make sense. So once that 01:02:43
happens, it's basically a matter of awareness, getting around word of mouth, the understanding, the experience. And as it grows 01:02:48
across exponentially and we're going to see a transformation, industrial revolution. 01:02:54
When we first started here, but we recognized that there were some people that wanted to install solar, that wanted to do 01:03:04
something new, actually wanted to do something to reduce their environmental footprint. So we started with these panels, the 01:03:10
system. Since then, the installation growth has been about 40% per year. So in fact it could be 9 years. It wasn't the man. People 01:03:16
wanted to see more renewable energy installed only. 01:03:22
Is not available in the model they want or in variety or color or whatever it is they want. And so we're finding that there's some 01:03:58
areas that are showing us a good example of policy that can trigger that change and California has the best example that we found. 01:04:05
California right now is leading the standards they set. The 10% of the vehicles sold in California have to be electric vehicles. 01:04:13
They have committed to an 80% reduction in greenhouse gases if other states, Washington, Oregon, British Columbia. 01:04:22
Go back in the 90s where to adopt that kind of California policy, we would create a demand for electric vehicles that would make 01:04:31
them very commonplace. And we would get to the point where using the weight of States and the weight of cities, we could begin to 01:04:37
transform our missions. And that's where we need to go because we cannot win for national governments to take us there in the 01:04:43
morning. And once people understand. 01:04:49
That electric vehicle is actually cheaper to save some money. 01:04:56
All of a sudden, that returns the market. 01:05:00
Transportation is also a major challenge. Uses table cities, environment, environmental impacts. 01:05:05
It's actually one of the biggest choice in the world. 01:05:21
We have really visible statistical features, which is provided in Canada. 01:05:25
We have an A certificate of recycling house as well as you want to see what are right on harbor. 01:05:31
This is 6 acre that is actually one of the 10 lines bringers in the world. So what is this bringer really unique is the fact that 01:05:41
we told the time that already we needed is too much. So eventually planning over 400,000 clip and glasses on top of this area, it 01:05:47
really connects with these things. So if you're looking at downtown medium from an area perspective, you're going to see that this 01:05:54
space connected to the parking store and it can assist and it really was part of the vision of text. 01:06:00
I'm getting paid. 01:06:11
$1000 unless if not more. 01:06:12
Capital of South Korea seen a remarkable wasn't changed thanks to courageous communications with contamination. 01:06:28
So we should provide more environmentalism for English and also green solutions. 01:06:52
To the which is more environment but most important thing is to focus. 01:07:05
So we should be more position such as subway or times. 01:07:28
So I'm really. 01:07:37
Interested initiative by the city and so it is going to achieve 20% electricity. 01:07:41
Obviously. 01:07:58
On top of the filtering reservoir of water verification times that. 01:08:10
Doctor Reservoir has a cool effect, more efficient, so the average power generation hours is only 3.1 or 3.2 hours per day, but 01:08:16
the favorite higher than average is 3.7 or 8 hours per day. 01:08:25
Metropolitan government have this campaign of the one less nuclear power plant and this plant contributes to the company. So we 01:08:34
hope that this type of plant or distributing and expanded around the sourcing. 01:08:41
Renewable energy production, those in the cities overall energy consumption by constructing buildings and houses are consumed by 01:08:53
little energy. 01:08:57
The first thing I can do is work on massive design. That's life in the energy that we can get from massive design has to 01:09:05
designate. We use a lot of information. We use special glass and special personal to make the ongoing optimal so that the energy 01:09:12
does not lead through the walls with nature. Instead of trying to work against nature and that nature, cool as it is, passive 01:09:18
design techniques allow us. 01:09:25
One of the great features of this building are these incredible green walls. It brings nature into our urban environment. And then 01:09:33
sometimes you say that when we see green, it just helps us feel good and relieve our stress. On the whole rooftop there's a solar 01:09:41
panels, so this building is generating a lot of. 01:09:49
Renewable energy to provide electricity to this building. 01:09:58
I think there is. 01:10:25
That we have increased cooperation and together. 01:10:35
8 to 24 continue energy bus, so that's student exists, but we decided we want that one and there's a family in their way. But what 01:10:43
kind of course we're creating the bus and the bus was there after less than two years and now you can see very likely that's going 01:10:48
up and down. 01:10:53
Your picture. 01:11:03
For example, anyone's residence. 01:11:04
Means that when calculate emissions in the city from the citizens may not only look at the missions that are within the city 01:11:11
borders. We also take into account our consumption of products and services that causes vision in other countries and other parts 01:11:19
of Sweden. By doing so, we also getting perfectness on which climate issues that we have to focus on. 01:11:26
Normally when we have a geographical perspective that is the traditional way countries, there's a lot of focus on transport, 01:11:34
energy production and industry and that's important. But with consumption based, we're also going to focus on the consumption of 01:11:40
food, the consumption on air travel and other kind of consumption. 01:11:45
In 2018. 01:11:52
Sustainable projects. 01:11:58
I think the cortisol for rebox is simplicity. There's some sort of greenhouse that is earmarked in that way. When we use the 01:12:04
investors the opportunity to invest in specific projects, they know exactly where the money advise gold. So far we have invested 01:12:09
in elected cars by a guest collection and also in the water purification filter. We take this to extremist on forces, finance and 01:12:14
sustainability. 01:12:19
Make them move forward together to create some really exciting actually. 01:12:25
Change. 01:12:34
Between sustainable sustainable life class scandal. 01:12:41
Basically. 01:12:46
In order to build the urban environment. And there we saw the political in there, but there's lack of knowledge and that's where 01:12:50
we. 01:12:57
'Re successful and now we need the Chongyang country in China where private capital is fueling the sustainable, sustainable 01:13:06
expansion of the city. 01:13:11
And affecting the capital and the finance that is included. 01:14:02
More sustainable, sustainable mobility, renewable energy and the induction of nature. 01:14:23
And holidays to show in the past. The one that I destroyed your mom. 01:14:32
We have now embarrassed. 01:14:46
As well. So we have decided to develop any measure on one hand we take people that they shift to the favorable ability and on the 01:14:56
other hand we have a special problem that state perspective the most politicians within the city by 20%. That's just like the 01:15:02
cleanest one in certain cases in this industry to a lower, lower deposit. 01:15:08
We are supervising for taxi vehicles, also buying of electric bicycles. If you buy an electric bicycle you get the saucy on the 01:15:15
4th. Pushing very hard on every vehicles, one of our priorities and no one gets the reason. 01:15:27
Increasing investments in Europe and retro equipment is included priority in Paris. 01:15:41
In the next year. 01:15:50
But I say you have three big issues right now in the city and also the president or registry plan to mitigate tackle energy 01:15:54
poverty. You have to encourage creative what we call sustainable development action networks and together individuals application. 01:16:01
Commitments to baseline issues and instead of being alone in dynamic Spice, we are doubling them to share experiences to go 01:16:10
through bigger and also to be more known from the Paris population. And this network now is 10% of the participation. 01:16:16
Sustainable development while simultaneously battling challenges such as poverty and social inequality. 01:16:39
Unemployment. 01:16:49
We're able to have a responsibility of citizens to do what we can protect the planets from the outskirts of fiscal change and. 01:16:54
Our reliance on traditional energy sources and look to as many cleaner energy sources as possible. 01:17:08
So. 01:17:19
So. 01:17:23
So in this way. 01:17:36
And I want to use. 01:17:42
Their real potential than these goals a combination of both the top down and bottom up version of the necessary demands through 01:17:47
the involves city business. 01:17:56
Changing our energy system to renew energy is possible. 01:18:05
But we have to move very fast. The economy makes it in framework. We have to inform people. We have to make action on all levels. 01:18:10
I myself on my own, everyone else is. 01:18:16
The New World. 01:18:24
To make an appointment to embrace traditions and feel that they are either having a new work. 01:18:32
I. 01:18:55
But yeah, we just wanted to, I mean, so we're supposed to get the four hours of training. So this this will add to that, but 01:19:03
wanted to kind of start getting your mind ready for some of the sustainability things that we're going to look at in our general 01:19:09
plan. Obviously, these are very massive giant cities and some initiatives that are taking on, but other things on a like a very 01:19:16
local level that that that we can do so. 01:19:22
I'm sorry, thinking, you know, through through some of those things. I know the community garden was kind of a step in that way of 01:19:29
trying to locally source some third, you know, our trail system is a really important part implementing transit, the bus, the two 01:19:35
bus routes and the front runner. 01:19:41
So anyway, I just, as we go through the general plans, I think, you know, I've started kind of thinking of how we can implement 01:19:48
some sustainability type measures in our city. 01:19:55
So I don't think I have any comments or want to discuss anything but. 01:20:02
I just have a. 01:20:06
To me, it's an obvious question. I guess with the building of our downtown, we're gonna have a lot of rooftops. 01:20:08
So to what degree are we planning on solar energy on those rooftops? I've not ever heard that discussed sometimes. I know it's a, 01:20:13
it's a more expensive initial investment in construction, but I'm just wondering has has got a lot of rooftops. So are we going to 01:20:20
think about solar panels down there? 01:20:27
In the City Council work session last Friday they had that with Flagship and Woodbury. 01:20:36
And that was a point of discussion, not necessarily just about solar panels, but sustainability in general, having very energy 01:20:44
efficient buildings, you know, would they be willing to go for like a basic level of lead search certification? So there's a, 01:20:51
there's a lot of interest in that and also on how they designed the open spaces. 01:20:57
And so I that that's definitely something that we need to continue the conversation on. 01:21:05
Yeah. And concerning that, I. 01:21:10
LEED certification and stuff having more. 01:21:12
Having buildings that are built better, more efficient buildings are. 01:21:16
I would say better than solar panels just because the tech for solar panels is really good, but at the same time it's not the most 01:21:20
sustainable type of energy because of recycling the panels, the type of mining that goes into the panels, different things and 01:21:27
that's a whole rabbit hole to go. I don't know if what's good and what's not as far as energy, power and stuff, but. 01:21:35
I definitely, I think buildings having efficient design is super important and making sure that we have enough green space and 01:21:44
cover because. 01:21:49
If there's lots of asphalt, that makes a lot of heat. So the more trees we can have, the bigger trees we can have, the better. And 01:21:55
I know that things like that take water, but. 01:22:00
It's give and take, so I'm finding something that's a good medium is good and especially for the downtown, having water efficient 01:22:07
design is important. Absolutely. 01:22:13
So Bryce, I guess if I may ask, with you saying any more trees anymore green space, do you feel like maybe our current codes are, 01:22:20
are good or maybe they could be changed a little bit? Like what's your opinion on like where our code turns and stuff like that? 01:22:29
I need to read it again. 01:22:39
Yeah, I need to read it again to say like for certain if it needs more work. 01:22:45
Yeah, yeah. It seems to me that we're at odds a little bit because we're right now trying to do away with green space and make it. 01:22:49
Natural, you know, rock and things like that because of water, because we're in a desert and so. 01:22:59
I'm just wondering where do we go with the argument we want more green, more trees? 01:23:07
And yet we want more rockscape to reduce the watering need. 01:23:13
I'm wondering if just shade generally rather than thinking the trees are the only provider shade, maybe there are other ways to 01:23:18
provide shade. I'm thinking sales or or just other things that could reduce the heat being generated by downtown areas. I don't 01:23:25
know, building orientation, things like that I think, I think. 01:23:32
We want more, which is good in planning school and engineering programs. I'm sure they would teach you that trees are good. I 01:23:40
think what we're trying to do is reach efficiency with like water conservation. So not that we don't like green spaces, we just 01:23:48
want to make sure that the green spaces that we do have where we have places like turf grass, that those are spaces that are going 01:23:55
to be used to their best capacity. And if they're if we're planning grass or saw it in places that aren't going to provide. 01:24:03
Efficient use or good public use then that might be an area we can start to remove those areas and do more there escaping. But we 01:24:10
like trees for sure yeah and and there are plants that obviously take less water. I think we still need to be planting lots of 01:24:17
plants. We just need to be planting the right plants. Right. Right places yeah I mean so some trees are going to be a lot more 01:24:24
efficient than others Trees also help to clean the air and you know we we do have a lot of air pollution in this valley and so. 01:24:31
You know, I think trees are definitely part of the solution to having this cleaner air locally. 01:24:39
And it's their studies that show even locally if you have a lot more trees. 01:24:45
You're very specific local climate, it can be a lot cleaner yeah and as far as more water efficient ground cover, you don't have 01:24:51
to, you know go rocks too. There's there are other small plants that grow from more flat use far less water and the maintenance is 01:24:59
really low too and it's also soft to walk up. So it's just a matter of. 01:25:06
Being imaginative. 01:25:15
Maybe maybe something we could add into the plan because talking about stuff like that is awesome. As long as there's a plan for 01:25:18
it, a maintenance plan for it because you can. I know that we planted a bunch of native grasses and seeds out by the lakefront 01:25:24
stuff. But if you go out there and look, it's, it's not doing well. I don't know if there's, when I looked out there. I don't know 01:25:30
if there's anything that's not. 01:25:37
Weeds, I mean we generated, but I don't think that those are any of the things that were planted so. 01:25:44
Coming at it. 01:25:50
The right way, having a maintenance plan and being like we want to plant this, but. 01:25:53
We need X amount of years to like actually have it. 01:25:58
Thrive because otherwise it will get choked out by weeds and you can't just spray the whole thing and just hope it survives and 01:26:04
water the whole thing and hope it survives. It's got to be like you need people that know what they're doing and you need plants 01:26:10
that are right, needs to be designed correctly. So it's hard, it's easy to say like let's plant these, but it's hard to make that 01:26:16
maintenance fun. But if we can implement that into our general plan, I think that would be for sure. 01:26:23
Well, I had another question for you guys. With these kind of topics, sometimes people see them as like. 01:26:30
Contrary or not achievable or unrealistic, you know, we're trying to get people to believe in things like wealthability, taking 01:26:36
till the transit or reducing emissions, increasing ingredients based, things like that. That last one they don't fight so much 01:26:43
over, but those first couple ones they do. How can we get our residents on board? How do we and our partners, who do we need to 01:26:50
partner with and how can we motivate our residents to be behind these kind of ideas? 01:26:57
From all over the Wasatch Front, if we want them to stay here and not be going elsewhere to have to charge but spend money 01:27:35
downtown, be downtown, park there, but bring electric vehicles. Make it as easy as possible to charge here. You know what's the 01:27:42
vendor that we bring in and plan beforehand. Not not just a dozen, but you probably want to have 100 charging stations within 01:27:48
that, that three mile area wherever we're building parking, plan on charging. 01:27:55
We talked about the scooters or golf carts. 01:28:03
As much as possible support the electric vehicles. And that's something I think is very achievable of planning that out up front 01:28:07
because because we know that's already coming. But if it's so easy to do, then people will be more likely I think to say, hey, 01:28:14
let's go there. If they have to choose between here or downtown Salt Lake or Provo or or Lehigh or the new point of the mountain, 01:28:21
if they have an electric vehicle to say, hey, let's go there because we can just charge, park and go back wherever we need. 01:28:28
I think too, I'm sorry, Chris, go ahead. I think 2 financial incentives are important. So one or two of the cities where they 01:28:36
reimbursed and purchased a recorder cost or something. I think if perhaps if, if public transportation or the kinds of 01:28:45
transportation we want people to take is too expensive, people aren't going to do it. And so if there's a way to incentivize. 01:28:54
Encourage people financially to take by providing cards or I mean whatever it is. 01:29:03
To encourage the use of the facilities that are there is also very useful. 01:29:09
I will add that Brian and I and Councilman progresses and actually met with, I don't know what his position was, but he was like 01:29:16
in charge of the renewable energy in Salt Lake City this past week. And, and he actually gave us a lot of ideas regarding that 01:29:21
kind of stuff. And because of that, we've actually started opening up conversations with electric charging companies to see what 01:29:27
it'll take to get them to come to the downtown. Same thing with scooter companies. You know what, what do they need from us so 01:29:33
that we can provide that? 01:29:38
Because they are more efficient use of of energy. But then the other thing that this guy from Salt Lake talked to us about were 01:29:45
different programs that Rocky Mountain offers. Rocky Mountain power offers in terms of being able to like bulk buy solar panels as 01:29:52
a city. Well, it's residents by themselves, but the city kind of brokers this deal with solar panel companies to make solar a 01:30:00
cheaper option. Or I mean, you've got Rocky Mountain power right now has other. 01:30:07
Programs that residents can buy into that. 01:30:15
Helps generate their power through renewable energy. So there are programs right now that we can look into more, but but we have 01:30:18
been meeting with people to to see what we can do like actual implemental implementable programs that we can do as a city to kind 01:30:24
of lead the way. 01:30:30
Something that. 01:30:38
I guess people don't think of a lot when they think of renewable energy. Really is just walkability. If you don't have to drive 01:30:40
your car to a grocery store then. 01:30:44
You don't even need an electric car, you just walk and. 01:30:49
And if it's possible, I mean, that comes hand in hand with just economic like you, it's been so hard for us to get a grocery store 01:30:55
in the city, let alone like pocket grocery stores somewhere or something like that. So I don't know what the answer is as far as 01:31:03
like getting something like that to come in, but walkability is the main thing that's going to save. 01:31:10
That's gonna. 01:31:19
Save power. That's going to help the environment, right? Right. For sure. 01:31:20
Yeah, no embarrass. I think you, I think you've hidden the nail on the head there because I've read several books by, you know, 01:31:25
mostly planners and architects that would argue, argue the same thing, that it's walkability is by far going to be the biggest 01:31:30
thing that create an impact because lead buildings are grey, electric vehicles are great, but in comparison, nothing's going to 01:31:36
nothing's better than smart growth and development. 01:31:42
I think with Vineyard, we're like way ahead of the curve. We're still like a young and growing city. You know, we have a lot to 01:31:49
develop. So the downtown is still, you know, mostly a blank slate out there. 01:31:56
What I think we need to focus on doing is creating a vision for what we want to be in where we want to go in the next 10 to 1520 01:32:04
years, right. And so say staff, we've all been putting our heads together planes and work in engineering and getting comments back 01:32:12
from building Department 2 and we are we would like to introduce a new section of the general plan that. 01:32:20
Talks about just sustainability and resiliency. 01:32:29
And so we're still in the initial draft phases of what we want this chapter to look like, but we definitely wanted to address the 01:32:33
three pillars of sustainability, which are environmental, economic and social sustainability. And some of the topics are going to 01:32:40
be addressed are bone pack development, green infrastructure, water quality and conservation, green air and greenhouse gas 01:32:47
emissions, renewable energy, things like that. So that's mostly environmental stuff. 01:32:54
We want to talk about our economy and how we can downsize costs and increase our profits and how we can create jobs. 01:33:01
And make efficient use of, of, of our, of our funds in the city, including circular economies. In terms of social sustainability, 01:33:10
there's so many topics to touch on on that safety and security, Environmental Quality, mental health, physical health, improving 01:33:17
our living standards and even things such as like substance abuse and culture and language competency. Like all these things we're 01:33:25
going to try to implement into the, into this new chapter of the general plan and we're really excited. 01:33:32
Because it's, I don't know, it's, it's a time when it's what we need. So we're looking forward to working with you guys closely 01:33:40
on, on that new chapter and putting all that together with you and with our community. 01:33:46
Thanks, Brian. Yeah. 01:33:55
All right, moving on to Commission member and staff reports and expertise, discussion and disclosures. Do you guys have anything 01:33:56
that you want to? 01:34:00
I do. 01:34:05
So I was, I happened to run into this Gabitas, who is what's her official title? 01:34:07
She is a digital Access and Education program manager at the Utah State Library and I met her a year and a half ago through Utah 01:34:18
Communities Connect Commission. I was part of that for a little bit and essentially the the whole goal is to get Internet access 01:34:24
to every student in the state of Utah. 01:34:30
And anyway, part of her job is also understanding how cities can provide Internet access to its citizenry. 01:34:36
So that's gonna. Anyway, got a few. 01:34:47
Ideas from her that I'm going to hopefully talk more about with staff. Did you want to hear them now or I got my notes? 01:34:52
Or save it later. 01:35:01
Also, we've talked in the past about like Mill Rd. meeting with you on Mill Road and talking about some of those pedestrian 01:35:04
crossings. So I so I mean, we can discuss closes now or we, we can, you know, leave a staff and we can come back and have a work 01:35:11
session on, I mean, either way it's sounds like. 01:35:18
We could probably get this for free. So there's that. Yeah, we can schedule a meeting to talk about it more later. 01:35:26
And that's all I got. Thanks. 01:35:36
Morgan, I'm guys want to see you guys have anything you wanted to happen? Yeah, don't worry. 01:35:39
Yeah, cool. Topped off the on schedule for this year. 01:35:45
I believe so. I mean, they're, they're yeah. I mean, there's, there's a lot they still have to do. 01:35:50
So we've heard anything from this year to the beginning of next. 01:35:57
Cool. 01:36:01
Is the bus route still canceled for people that need to come? 01:36:04
Over 800 to get to the elementary schools over there as Alpine School District has still cancelled that bus route. 01:36:09
I don't know. We go to the charter so we have to get ourselves over there anyway. Are you familiar with any ongoing discussion on 01:36:17
that? And then we have brought a couple meetings ago the, the fact that, you know, eventually be nice to have a little pedestrian 01:36:23
bridge over the tracks there. And I think it's 400, but with the bus route cancelled, everybody that lives on that side that goes 01:36:30
to trail side the all the way over. 01:36:36
8800 down and then down the trail side. So this is kindergarten. 01:36:43
Through 6th grade, yeah, that's kind of hugely increase our traffic. I just want to make sure that stays top of mind. Any 01:36:47
discussions about especially an overpass or walking bridge or something there on 400 N because that's the obvious route, then be 01:36:53
able to get to trail side. But I mean, it it, that's a crazy distance to travel. And I think the website for offline school 01:36:59
district still says the bus route is closed because in that radius, you know, it's within the one or 1 1/2 miles. But really it's 01:37:05
it's a long walk. 01:37:11
Is that a part of the? 01:37:18
After transportation plan by chance? 01:37:20
No, I can't remember. 01:37:23
Or you mean that the bridge, the bridge, but as far as the like the bus route, we have the, you know, made it to school district 01:37:26
on it. 01:37:29
So I'll, I'll reach out to the our city manager. He tends to be pretty on top of anything with the school district and see kind of 01:37:32
what his thoughts are. I'm sure Tim and Julie have have already had a conversation with them and you know, won't report back and 01:37:38
hear anything. Thank you. 01:37:44
Cool. All right, if that's everything. 01:37:52
Then meeting adjourned. 01:37:55
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Friday it is July 20th. This is the Planning Commission meeting. We'll get right into it. Tim Blackburn will give us an 00:00:04
invocation. 00:00:09
Our Father in heaven, we're grateful for the opportunity that we have to be here tonight in this capacity. 00:00:15
We're grateful for the blessing that we have to live in this community. 00:00:22
And for the freedoms and opportunities that we enjoy. 00:00:26
We ask Thy blessings upon us tonight as a Commission that we will be able to understand the information that's presented and be 00:00:30
able to make decisions and recommendations that will help to build this community and make it stronger. 00:00:36
We're grateful for those who lead us at the local and state and national levels and. 00:00:43
Pray that we will do all that we personally can to maintain the freedoms and enjoy the benefits that we do, and we do so humbly. 00:00:49
Pray in the name of Jesus Christ, Amen. Amen. Awesome. Thank you so much, Tim. All right, so moving now into an open session. If 00:00:57
you have any public comments, please come to the microphone and state your name and make a comment. You have anything All right. 00:01:05
You just make sure that light is on the microphone. 00:01:22
Yeah, if it's green, you're good. 00:01:26
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There, OK. 00:01:35
My name is Daria Evans, I live in the villa, 55 in older community. Thank you for letting me have this time to make a public 00:01:36
comment. I really enjoy living here in Vineyard. My husband and I are really enjoying it, I just have some concerns. 00:01:45
As we move forward with the front runner and the waterfront Main Street where we live, 600 N to 400 N, I'm really concerned about 00:01:55
the flow of traffic. 00:02:01
And. 00:02:07
What we can do to make sure that people can get out of 600 N Loop Rd. and 400 N Loop Rd. I mean 400 N Excuse me? 00:02:09
I've been asking for the 400 N. 00:02:19
Street light to get put in this year but it might not be done. But also if we could have some type of calming measures or helpful 00:02:24
measures to help the 600 N Loop Rd. 00:02:30
So we have access to get out onto 800 N because right now it's very difficult. And that's just my public comment. Thank you for 00:02:37
all you do. 00:02:42
Thank you so much, Daria. Yeah, I know that we're trying to push for the 400 N to get in soon. I don't know what the schedule's 00:02:48
like for that machine. Do you have any? 00:02:53
Alright, so I'm missing the door saying you know, and I appreciate your comments in regards to your concerns. Also, city received 00:02:58
designs for 400 N and Main Street for traffic. Four way traffic signal with possession crossing. So the city residents will have a 00:03:07
four way stop control stop with, you know, flashing lights for the vehicles and allow pedestrians to cross the road safely. 00:03:16
On all four sides of 400 N and Main St. 00:03:25
So we received the designs for that. We're going to be finalizing. We plan on putting it out for construction bids. This is July. 00:03:31
So yeah, end of July, beginning of August for contractors to push through. In terms of timing for construction, it's hard to say 00:03:38
of course, because with the current atmosphere of how construction timelines, materials, etcetera. 00:03:46
You know, there's if I guarantee you something, I would be telling you why I'm not going to do that, ma'am. 00:03:54
For sure, but then I mean obviously costing my fingers and hopefully I'll get struck by lightning. But here, you know, the fact is 00:03:59
when when it goes out to bid, obviously contractors want to get get paid. So the expectation is that they'll start work properly 00:04:07
on that. So our our goal is to head by the end of August and that time frame is our goal for the full way in terms of. 00:04:15
Main Street and 600 N Excuse me when the traffic signal at 800 N is placed. 00:04:24
In Main St. 00:04:32
Signal at 400 N and Main Street is placed in You'll see five other improvements when it comes to traffic flow with four Essex in 00:04:33
the north and Main Street near. Because what we call is the increased gaps which are programmed with the with the signals. And I 00:04:40
know now the city. Morgan, the community planning community development director this evening has been working hard about pushing 00:04:46
forward with a road guide what they call. 00:04:53
Along Main Street, which is so actually help help the flow in terms of. 00:05:00
Allowing people not to. 00:05:06
Speed on the road and providing more safes for pedestrians and I'll do the prime example today on my way in back from Salt Lake 00:05:08
City into the office on Main Street and 400 N someone decided they need to do a left hand turn did not want to wait for the cars 00:05:15
to clear and decide that they wanted to left enter into oncoming traffic. We through uncommon traffic and make their way into the 00:05:21
northbound lane totally. 00:05:28
Illegal. And it does frustrate people. I'm frustrated me and I'm sure it would frustrate other people. And of course, if I was not 00:05:35
driving the speed limit, I'd probably not be here right now to talk to tell you about the example. 00:05:41
But we're definitely keeping our eyes on that. So 800 N and Main Street traffic signal is going to be operational for. 00:05:47
August, August 8th. Yes ma'am. Sorry. 00:05:59
Instead of the operational, you'll see some, you'll see some. 00:06:03
Improvements, but when you'll you'll see really see the improvements when 400 N and 800 N signals are placed and then they worked 00:06:07
in tandem together now. 00:06:12
So I apologize for the long answer, but I really wanted to put it on record that there are people out there that are not driving 00:06:20
sparkly. So please, if anyone's listening to this, please drive safe and smart. Thanks, Naseem. All right, we don't have any 00:06:25
minutes for reviewing approval and no business items, so we'll just go straight into the public hearing for the Vineyard 00:06:30
Waterfront Master Plan. 00:06:35
Great. Thank you. 00:06:42
Thank you. Sorry, do I have a motion? But should I make a motion? All right, I have a motion to open up the public hearing. I do 00:06:44
so make a motion to open it up for public hearing. Do I have a second? I'll second that. Thank you. All in favor, Aye. All right. 00:06:49
Thank you, Chair and commissioners. I appreciate your time. 00:06:54
And also your hard work on this, on this plan. We spent the last year working on the waterfront plan. 00:07:00
In a very unique situation, being a very urbanized city, but also having a lot of adjacency to natural open space and a lot of 00:07:07
beauty right out of our our front door. And and that's one thing that's very great about Vineyard is unlike other cities around 00:07:15
the the lake dinner has decided to have the lake be its front door. And you see that expressly within the the downtown plan. 00:07:23
So the idea with water thrown master plan was to try to marry kind of the two plants, the different master plans that we have 00:07:31
going on with the the downtown plan and making so that it transitions into the the waterfront. So you have a cohesive trail 00:07:38
network and and recreational opportunities. So it flows well. 00:07:44
The the the the plan was paid for through the TRCC grant. That's the tourism recreation. 00:07:54
Cultural Commission grant something like that. And so we got that for about $3,000,000 and we are working on a catalyst project 00:08:02
right now and and doing more of like the construction design portion of it. 00:08:10
And so I'll, I'll run through the, the, the plan. I think the Commission, I believe you've seen this now three times. We had a 00:08:20
joint work session and two work sessions with the consultant throughout this process. There were also substantial public input 00:08:25
online. 00:08:31
And and also to open houses. If you remember we had the one at the megaplex and and then we had one at the at the at the school as 00:08:39
well. 00:08:45
Plus the public hearing or the public meetings with the City Council. Also the Bicycle Advisory Commission was presented the plan 00:08:50
and provided a lot of input and so it was a very. 00:08:56
Kind of an open, transparent process with the public. The idea was to make it the the publics plan. 00:09:04
And we're the kind of important part of the plan, but the plan provides us the general like. 00:09:10
Road map of what we could do with the waterfront. It's not, it's nothing that is codified within code, even though it is being 00:09:18
approved through ordinance means it's an approved master plan. What it helps us out with is there's substantial opportunities for 00:09:25
tourism grants, recreational grants, and environmental sustainability tech grants. If you have a plan in place, your ability to 00:09:32
get those grants is much higher to put in and it'll make us, you know, we'll have a much higher. 00:09:39
That's right as as we go go for that. We also are hiring a a grant writer to to assist us with with a lot of these. And so we're 00:09:47
we're we're very excited. So if there are themes in the in the plan, you're like, I actually want that Peter to be moved 10 feet 00:09:53
this way. That's fine if you have those comments. But generally when we apply for a grant, say if we want to build like up here, 00:09:59
but it's not located exactly where it show the master plan. The idea is the master plan is, is just a reflection of of kind of 00:10:05
the. 00:10:11
Except that that we'd like to see and but we're still kind of with things the compliance with that plan yes. So let's say if it's 00:10:17
moved, you know, 200 feet or something like that. I I wouldn't get so hung up on this specific details. What typically happens as 00:10:24
we move forward with a project, we go through the construction and drawing process and then we go to the Planning Commission, the 00:10:30
City Council for the site plan. And so as things get implemented, you'll have a lot of. 00:10:36
Input through the actual site planning process of elements as as they get as they get approved. 00:10:44
So I wanted to point out just just a few things. 00:10:50
That I thought that were interesting what this graph right here shows this circle pie graph wheel thing is one of the questions 00:10:54
that was asked is how if you were to access the waterfront from your home, how would you get there? And the majority of people 00:11:00
said they would walk and also bike and very few people said that they would actually drive. And so that's a really interesting 00:11:06
thing because we know from locally our residents here. 00:11:12
Their their preferred method of traveling to our waterfront is, is is not by car. And that's, and that's really good thing. That 00:11:19
also helps inform us as we make investments along the lake that when we do build parking, most likely the parking that we should 00:11:26
be building should be for tourism and economic development and bringing people outside of the city, but also to make sure that we 00:11:32
have a large investment in getting people. 00:11:38
Our residents to the lake via trails and walking and you know, and you know, we're also exploring like the shared bike programs 00:11:45
and and and and the and the scooters, you know, the the shared scooter programs and those kind of methods. 00:11:52
So I thought it was pretty interesting. 00:11:59
And also just a, another thing, I think this was taken from the, when we had the open house at the school and unfortunately we 00:12:03
didn't get a ton of people out on because that's when we had the, the IT was raining. We had kind of a little snowstorm, but what 00:12:09
about 50 or so people attended that? And what I thought was interesting, it was like this question of how often do you use the 00:12:16
Utah Lake Trail? And you know, at least those that came. 00:12:22
Percentage wise it was pretty good, you know, a couple times a week and that's, that's really nice to see that there, there are a 00:12:29
lot of people that that they use it just I think it was like. 00:12:35
It was during, it was during the school year, it was a few months ago. I'd lose cash and I, we walked from the Center St. 00:12:40
trailhead to where it dead ends and back. We just wanted to go out there and, and, and see a couple of a couple things that some 00:12:47
residents had pointed out to us and we counted close to 50 trail users. 00:12:53
Going to a dead end and and so that shows that there's a massive demand to to access the lake and access the trailer. You'd see 50 00:12:59
people within about, you know, quarter mile walking toward that end. And so it shows that people love just want to be by the water 00:13:06
and we're going to see the. 00:13:12
The worst of the trailer and over waterfront is going to grow substantially as our population grows, the downtown grows, but also 00:13:19
as the trail network gets connected regionally. And there's been funding that was appropriated through the the legislature that 00:13:27
would fund the connection down to the Provo Delta. And so that's a pretty significant. 00:13:34
Connection, I think it's broken into 3 phases and we're still trying to work out like ownership. And there's a few kind of 00:13:43
technical things that, that we're trying to work out. But potentially in the next three or five years, you could have all the way 00:13:48
down to the Delta. And that would mean regional connections within the Orem Trail system too. So you're going to see that that 00:13:52
explode. 00:13:56
So I missed the shows like some some photos of the of the open house and some of the site visits that we had. 00:14:06
A lot of with the the consultant and working with the work with the public was looking at inspiration. There's a lot of 00:14:13
seasonality. That was something that was really important was that we want year round uses on, you know, on on the waterfront, not 00:14:20
just summertime and and spring and that kind of stuff. And so that's something that was taken into consideration. 00:14:27
The waterfront wasn't broken into three planning areas. That kind of made sense. There seemed to be 3. 00:14:35
Yeah, from my kind of a theme standpoint, distinctions on our 3.4 miles of waterfront, the north being next to the, the, the 00:14:42
downtown looked like a great place where if we're going to focus on high energy type uses tourism, bringing people to like a 00:14:49
boardwalk with retail restaurants that would that would front the the the water that that would be a place to do it. The central 00:14:55
area that's very close to residential. 00:15:02
So it's the backside of James Bay. It's a lakefront of the Town Center and also of the Shores development. 00:15:09
And so this is that where you can still have some recreation, but they're, they're not as high energy. It's more for, you know, 00:15:16
families to walk and maybe some places where you could access both the water and then the South end being more of like a quiet 00:15:23
kind of a peaceful place. This is where it starts to transition into the Caraway conservation area. And so there seem to be 3 00:15:30
distinct areas along our waterfront. And so this was kind of the overall design concept of looking at. 00:15:36
At a waterfront, like the flow of water, but in a big emphasis on that, obviously the water comes down, hits the mountains. 00:15:44
The mountains are our great water catch. They take the water to the rivers and then to the lake and then the cycle continues. And 00:15:52
so we're fortunate enough to be part of that, that great water cycle living right on the on the lake. 00:15:59
Since I know you have been presenting this a million times, so I'll I'll try to kind of hit the main points. 00:16:09
So starting with this north and there's a few. 00:16:16
Kind of man elements. One of the things that was interesting is the reuse of the storm water detention system that they gave the 00:16:19
mill had used for a long time. It's still in use at some level of strong water missing could probably talk more to that. But the 00:16:27
idea is at some point we do not remediating it and there's a requirement from I believe it's Flagship and US Steel to do some 00:16:34
remediation on that. Now that's a longer term out. 00:16:41
So it'll it'll happen in a while, few years out. But some of the ideas that were floating was one was doing like a Marina village. 00:16:49
Right now there's a list of over. I think it's last time we checked it was like 40. 00:16:55
Boats that that were on a list for the London Marina. 00:17:03
So there's a huge demand for for access from a motorized standpoint. So that was one of the ideas. Is there a way to build 00:17:09
facilities for motorized boats? 00:17:14
And other things, looking at our N promenades, there's there's two promenades, there's a lake promenade that goes from the trade 00:17:19
station down down to the water. And then there's the north promenade that also takes an east, West orientation through downtown to 00:17:27
the lake. And there's a portion of that storm water detention facility as an extension of the promenade that brings you out to the 00:17:34
lake. And also looking at so those kind of frame in the central part of the boardwalk, the boardwalk would be. 00:17:41
These buildings here and here where you have ground for retail restaurants, there's a big focus on trying to see if we get someone 00:17:49
who come cool local type or restaurants where people could come down, enjoy the water and then build out a boardwalk park where 00:17:56
they could go outside eat. There's been a lot of interest also in doing like a an urban skate park on the water. And so those are 00:18:03
some things that we could explore in in in the future. 00:18:10
The peers are very significant. 00:18:18
During like a really kind of unique period on the South end back at multiple uses. 00:18:21
And and also one on the North End and you would use that peer system for what was called the Geo tubes. If you remember that the 00:18:31
consultant's talking about that. So the YouTube is kind of what holds back the water if it allows to dredge that portion of the 00:18:37
waterfront. That was a big complaint from a residence was would like to go to the water. But I mean, we can walk half a mile out 00:18:43
there and we're still left black at our calves. And so we want to be able to swim and not not be a muck. So the idea is eternity 00:18:49
with some sort of. 00:18:55
Sand server wall that we go out here and frame in the beach area so that people can actually swim so that and and provide access 00:19:02
for non motorized type type boats like kayaks and paddle boards. We also have a really big windsurfing population that if you go 00:19:11
out there on a Friday Saturday Sunday that it's it's a it's a very popular thing and so. 00:19:19
You know, this could be an area where you could help to cause support that that activity that's already been very successful. 00:19:28
Do anything to know too is the beachhead right now is basically like right here. It's about 300 feet in length from north-south 00:19:35
orientation. So it's not it's not very long. I mean, obviously you can walk kind of through, you know, some of that the vegetation 00:19:41
that does down there. The idea is to extend it from 300 feet down to about 1800 feet. So make it like a really true nice beach 00:19:48
that's that has a lot of depth to it. 00:19:55
But then it also the elevation drops off and there's a lot of dredging. 00:20:03
So they can access the water. 00:20:06
So those are some really important things that the the citizens wanted. 00:20:09
There are some some other things that are more kind of lofty girls that are kind of cool that you have like potentially putting 00:20:14
like a some sort of a unique restaurant out on the on the pier Rockville thought that would that would be kind of a cool 00:20:20
experience to be able to go out there and I don't have fish tacos or something. This seems obsessed with tacos. So like you do. 00:20:27
So like there's a list of progress, you know, went over a lot of them. These are just some like kind of the photos of the 00:20:36
inspirational kind of ideas of of how it could be programmed. 00:20:41
So when we go into like the central waterfront, that's the centerpiece lakefront townhomes, the shores and also. 00:20:49
James Bay neighborhoods, the scenario we do have to be very careful with because you're budding literally people's backyards. But 00:20:57
what's nice about the lake is there is a drop off at elevation in some places it's about 20 feet. So where it's green, where you 00:21:05
have the you got the the compromise line right here, there's a significant drop off and so it provides a lot of opportunities 00:21:12
where you could do some things down lower near the water than. 00:21:19
Than what you could do up on the shelf. 00:21:27
We did have some concerns about the like the concept of doing Frisbee golf right here next to the residential where a lot of 00:21:30
people and kids would be on the trail. And so we're actually looking at potentially if we do Frisbee golf that we move it down 00:21:36
further to the change in elevation, but actually create kind of a nice separation so that you're not having, you know, Frisby 00:21:42
still thrown at your head. So there was some concern about that. Our consultants did look at they weren't they weren't overly 00:21:48
concerned. There's a lot of examples where. 00:21:53
Do have prism golf, but if we could move that further down a drop in the elevation, plus there's a lot of vegetation that 00:21:59
separates the kind of the, the step from the, you know, the upper step from the lower step. And so if we get Frisbee golf, lower 00:22:05
would probably be a, you know, at least a better spot to to try it. 00:22:11
The social shows tell us some improvements to the Sunset Beach Park. That's a really successful busy park right now. That's along 00:22:18
with the really tall metal slide that people I think complain about the how hot the slide is. And so by the way that, you know, 00:22:25
trying to do it kind of an extension of that park into more of the natural area potentially providing. 00:22:32
Areas where you know, like small peers that could be pulled out during the summer and then pulled back in in winter. 00:22:40
Ways to sell paddle boards and people with Canoes and kayaks and can access the water without having to to walk them through like 00:22:47
muck and that kind of stuff. And so that's generally the idea here. Another cool concept is providing shade within I believe is 00:22:54
like every 100 to 200 feet, the rabbits restaurant theme. That's really important when you're on a trail to be able to, to have 00:23:02
access to water. So providing means for for, you know, water for your pets or just so you can drink. 00:23:09
But also places where you have shade, where you don't, you're not, you know, baking in the sun. 00:23:17
And so this yeah, just got some concepts that shows the. 00:23:25
From the golf area, kind of the Sunset Beach extension and how you pick it, program the extension off the Sunset Beach. 00:23:31
Such a simple conscious this is the Center St. trailhead right now. That's a very successful trailhead in terms of people wanting 00:23:42
to be there. We know that it's it's going to driven some of the shore residents crazy. So the City Council recently approved or 00:23:48
the RDA double S in the City Council, they approved. 00:23:53
Parking 24 parking stalls on 300 W to try and build more capacity and to push people from parking in the neighborhood to the 00:24:01
actual part parking lot on 300 W. 00:24:06
And so we'll try to implement improvements to that that trail head as time time goes on. 00:24:12
And here's the South Park, and it's important to point out the South part of the the South planning segment of the waterfront plan 00:24:20
is, you know, there's a lot of. 00:24:25
Kind of controversy or conflicts with with the ownership and so those are some things that need a need to work themselves out 00:24:30
whether it's in the core system or not. I know there's private property, you know or there's you know people that believe they own 00:24:37
the property and then DLN believe that they own it. And so hopefully that can work itself out We decided to still try to plan for 00:24:43
it so that. 00:24:49
If there were opportunities, we we would be able to move forward with, with some cool enhancements down there. 00:24:56
So this is an area I would have bought the holdaway fields and alcohol fields. It was holiday farms, overlay fields development. 00:25:01
We are moving forward with the park, the lakeside park here with for a pickleball courts and I know a lot of people have been 00:25:09
asking for that. And then this would be like the trailhead park that would provide 14 park installs. So there'll be access to the 00:25:16
trail that would make a connection here. Right now the trail stops right here at the South end of the shores and so. 00:25:24
Development at a minimum, when we could get a trail on the private property side we would like, we're trying to work. 00:25:31
You know, through that ownership issue and if we can, we do have the the funding to build the actual Utah Lake Trail, which would 00:25:40
go down further by the water. 00:25:44
And, and some of the ideas of stability equestrian area, that was something that we heard from quite a few people that they love 00:25:49
an opportunity to ride horses down, but by the lake and even something that's well programmed where they could do like riding 00:25:55
lessons. And those those kind of kind of things kind of harken back to our, our heritage roots of farming and you know, the 00:26:01
agricultural type uses that used to be here. 00:26:06
Also we have a quick question, is that the just to to Orient that's the work caraway? 00:26:14
To the right on that yeah this is this is what Caraway down here I know that we would love to see what Caraway actually extend all 00:26:20
the way up here but that's part of that that ownership issue So once that's worked out I mean we'd love to see that this 00:26:27
incorporated into the care right conservation area, but also try to get some uses in here we've also have been looking at there 00:26:35
there's a demand on the on the lake somewhere to build a a Nature Center so something where kids. 00:26:42
Come down, they can learn about the ecology of the lake where the different universes USU UVU, the way you could have, you know, 00:26:50
remote campuses where they could study the biology of the lake and and we feel like this would be a really great location because 00:26:57
you have the trailhead park right here. There'll be street parking next to this park with a nice pavilion initiated. And so we 00:27:05
felt like this would be a really great spot to put a a Nature Center and a kind of a. 00:27:12
Place, you know, if there's a school bus with with like students that wanted to come down and learn about the the lake. 00:27:20
So I mean those are the main elements. 00:27:27
And that that's it. Yeah. It's up for public hearing tonight. And after you all make a recommendation, I'll go to the City Council 00:27:31
for adoption. And like I said before, what it does is it provides a master plan. It's conceptual. And I would, I would assume just 00:27:37
like the general plan as as we want to do things differently, you know what we'll do amendments just like the general plans 00:27:43
throughout the years. So this is, I feel a good starting point for us. Thank you, Morgan. Yeah, it's been, it's been fun working 00:27:49
on the. 00:27:55
Seeing it evolve and everything, I think it's great. 00:28:01
Any public comments whether you guys want to? 00:28:06
Anything you want to. 00:28:09
Ask a question about or make a comment about. 00:28:11
Now would be your time before we close the public hearing. 00:28:14
Just make sure you state your name. 00:28:22
OK, yo, what up, Planning Commission? 00:28:32
Thank you for your service, I know it's hard and takes a lot of time and sometimes it's very boring. 00:28:35
I don't want to express my appreciation for the efforts that you all have gone through to try to gauge public sentiment and get 00:28:44
input as you put together in tandem with the developers and whatnot, so thank you. I wanted to share a few thoughts that are 00:28:52
tangenial to this as well as related to it. I haven't been to a meeting for a very long time at all since I've moved here. 00:29:00
Also, my name is Alexander Teensma and I am a Vineyard resident. 00:29:09
Gotta get that on the record right? 00:29:14
So the thoughts that I had. 00:29:17
Our first, I understand that the Planning Commission and the City Council may currently be looking at an ordinance to regulate 00:29:22
short term rentals such as Airbnb and VRBO. And you can correct me if I'm wrong. I don't mind. Sorry to interrupt you, Alex. So 00:29:29
this is specifically a public hearing for the Waterfront plan right now. Right now. OK, yes, OK. So I was just going to say that I 00:29:36
think it would be prudent on the part of the Planning Commission. 00:29:43
Those aircraft in the ordinance to write into it. 00:29:50
That watercrafts and recreational vehicles and trailers be differentiated from Adus and single family homes for the purpose of 00:29:55
regulating them differently because there are nuances that may not be fair to the owners of lorry craft. I intend to use them as 00:30:03
short term rentals when they're out of town or because they have a home that they live in full time. Yes, don't worry. 00:30:11
I know what's up. 00:30:20
I want to reiterate the importance of seasonality when considering the amenities that we include, and I am appreciative that that 00:30:24
has been given. 00:30:28
Serious thoughts and I hope that we find ways to. 00:30:34
You know, use amenities to their fullest potential, maybe duly used depending on what it is. 00:30:40
I am curious to know and this is a whole other can of worms that nobody wants to talk about I'm sure tonight and you don't have to 00:30:49
but it needs to be considered because or maybe it doesn't. I don't have all the facts but man made islands. I would be curious to 00:30:55
know how the development would be adversely affected or how it would be affected period by man made islands which I am not looking 00:31:01
forward to that if it happens. 00:31:07
In regards to parking. 00:31:15
I think that it would be prudent to include more parking, not just for those that are coming from outside of our city to use the 00:31:18
waterfront developments. 00:31:22
Both the residents themselves. I think that a self reported survey where residents say that they're going to bike or walk to the 00:31:27
development is not truly indicative of what's going to happen because we all like to think that we're going to walk and bike and 00:31:33
ride our skateboards more than we actually do. 00:31:39
It would be, in my opinion, good to look at Grove Park, for instance, to see on any given day how many people you know, what 00:31:46
percentage of people arrive there by car versus walking versus bike. 00:31:53
And that may be a good indicator of how people will in reality. 00:32:00
Get to the waterfront developments. 00:32:07
In addition to that, I think that something I noticed when I was at. 00:32:11
Families home in California, they have an HOA where everybody has a golf cart practically, maybe we have some Golf Club parking 00:32:17
specifically and that would save space and encourage people to use a vehicle that is not their car. 00:32:24
I also in regards to the. 00:32:33
Roadway that would connect 800 N to the I guess it's the northern development. 00:32:37
There was talk about being 2 lanes, one lane each way and. 00:32:45
I can't say for certain because this is not my expertise, but it may not be adequate just based on the traffic that I see with our 00:32:51
other two lane connectors into and out of the city. And so I think that it would be great to consider making that a little bit 00:32:58
wider because I maintain that other forms of transportation are better, but we as Americans love our cars. 00:33:06
Yes. 00:33:16
It would also, I would appreciate seeing a good faith effort on the part of state. This is not your responsibility. I don't hold 00:33:20
any of you accountable for this, but I would appreciate a good faith out there on the part of the city to rein in the noxious 00:33:27
weeds and litter that I see around the city before we include more developments that would require more resources to maintain. 00:33:34
And again, that's not for any of you specifically. 00:33:43
Lastly, I am pleased with all the work that you all have done. Again, thank you very much for all the efforts. I don't think that 00:33:49
this is perfect and I don't think any of you think that's perfect either, which is fine because we're going to continue working on 00:33:56
it and refining it. For anybody that listens to this meeting later, just know that the master plan, general plan are living 00:34:03
documents and we can change it. So that's more to our liking later on. But for now, this is great. 00:34:11
And it's better than what we had before. It's going to continue to get better, and better is good. 00:34:18
Thank you. Awesome. Thanks. 00:34:23
I guess I answered just a couple of questions. As far as the road on 800 N, that's you got Rd. that is going to be one way until 00:34:28
they decide to make it 2 lanes each way. And that the Vineyard connector I believe will go all the way up to Lehigh someday. And 00:34:34
then there's going to be another Rd. that will be one lane each way that's not a commuter Rd. That'll be basically where the road 00:34:41
is now, if I understand correctly. Is that right, Naseem? 00:34:48
Are you? 00:34:58
Kathy. 00:35:00
So are you still for the waterfront? I mean, there'll be two roadways that go next to each other essentially. That'll be the 800 N 00:35:02
in your connector road. And then there'll be another Rd. between the Vineyard connector and the wave front that'll go next. 00:35:08
Morgan, can you show the north kind of button? 00:35:14
And that's second Rd. is the one of the proposed visibility comments law. 00:35:29
And this is if you would you want back. 00:35:36
Yes. 00:35:44
So you can on the map, you can kind of see there. 00:35:47
Where is it? 00:35:53
Well, you can't see 800 N. 00:35:55
OK. Yeah, there it is. 00:35:58
Yeah. So for that, for that other Rd. that's one lane each way, we don't want that to be a high traffic Rd. at all. That'll be a 00:36:00
low speed limit it'll be. 00:36:04
Parking along the road. We want people to be able to cross easily in lots of places. This road up here. 00:36:09
That's the commuter Rd. that. 00:36:17
Is living your connector. That'll be it will be 1 lane each way until they expand it and then it'll be two lanes each way. Sure, 00:36:20
and it is new dots so it is not entirely in our hands, but there are plans to expand it. But very cool. 00:36:28
Just to point out to. 00:36:43
Parking is so that is something that this this city is looking at. 00:36:47
There are several pocket structures that will provide public parking within the downtown. The idea is to have people be able to 00:36:51
walk through the downtown or we do public parking. We don't always necessarily want to put it right at the spot because you know, 00:36:58
getting people to to walk is really good from economic development standpoint. We're also providing street parking along the Lake 00:37:05
Rd. so there'll be quite a few parking stalls just built into the system. 00:37:12
We want that to be programmed as parking for people visiting the lake and not necessarily overnight parking. 00:37:20
To where we found is when there's overnight street parking, people tend to park their boats there. They use it as storage. And the 00:37:27
city doesn't want, like the city doesn't want to pay for people's private storage. And so, you know, when we have public parking, 00:37:33
we want it to be for the focus of, of accessing the, the recreation around the lake and like the, the boardwalk and that kind of 00:37:39
stuff. And we're definitely providing parking. So we'll be options for, for getting there by car. 00:37:45
Main investments are going to be into the park space and at getting people on there for bikes and and and walking. 00:37:52
Everything that we have found is from the Vineyard Grill Park and that was a really good idea. We have looked at that. I don't 00:37:59
know if we've done council. We've seen a substantial amount of people attend like the soccer games and talking with Brian over 00:38:04
that through through through the trail system. There's a lot of cars, but it's because we build our city with every neighborhood 00:38:10
connected with the trail and they all lead to the open space. We found that there's a substantial number of people who who are 00:38:16
using the trails. 00:38:21
Yeah, and and if you want to back and forth, you might want to. 00:38:29
Just kind of open it. So yeah, no, it's totally fine. I was just gonna say thank you very much. And I'm glad that you already did 00:38:35
look at Grove Park. It may be good, though, to actually do numbers because it is anecdotal. I'm not telling you anything you don't 00:38:41
already know, though. So no, that's a. That's a great point. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. Cool. Thank you very much. 00:38:47
I had a a comment so so I did notice that the fireworks show. 00:38:55
And in sporting events at the park that there are a lot of off road vehicles or golf carts specifically. That's actually, I kind 00:38:58
of like that about Vineyard. You know, it's a little more friendly of driving these things around, whether it's legal or not 00:39:04
actually, I don't know that aspect, but but I do like the alternative transportation concept, whether it's scooters or whether 00:39:10
it's it's golf carts. I could see as my kids get older, you know, letting them take a golf course if it was safe to to go down to 00:39:16
some of the amenities. 00:39:22
That will be probably 2 or 2 1/2 miles from Cascade. I don't know if that thing given any thought. I think it is worth the 00:39:28
discussion if that's something the law allows and you need vineyards unique and that I could see us having a lot of alternative 00:39:34
other motorized transportation options. 00:39:40
That's a great event. I think as we look at the like the active transportation plan and some of the recommendations for like Main 00:39:47
Street, I, I think there's, there's opportunities to, to to look at that. I know that gets into like. 00:39:54
Kind of the local legality of the types of vehicles that are that are allowed on public streets. One thing that is kind of scary 00:40:01
and the same I saw this today, we have like 2 and they look probably these two girls who are probably 10:50 on a golf cart. And we 00:40:08
were looking at the at at at Center St. and an improvement we're doing there. We're there with our consultants and they came 00:40:15
flying by and we had to jump off the sidewalk. 00:40:22
So, so those are definitely great things, but we we need to make sure that they're. 00:40:30
Placed I would almost rather at that point have have that golf cart in the road as opposed to flying down a sidewalk where we have 00:40:35
a kid or build your trails in such a way that they're wide enough to accommodate those kind of things. But I think there's a great 00:40:41
future conversations. We know the scooters are getting way more popular. 00:40:47
The E bikes, I mean, well, I don't care if you'll say those E bikes are basically a little more cycles now and as fast as they 00:40:54
they go and they're they're so much fun, but it's it's definitely a different thing. So we we do need to be a little bit more 00:40:59
dynamic and look at our transportation system in the future so. 00:41:04
Anyway, thanks. 00:41:10
Did you have something, Daria? All right, if we have no more public comments and I have a motion to close the public hearing and 00:41:12
make a motion to close the public hearing, do I have a second? 00:41:17
2nd that. 00:41:23
Alright, all in favor. Aye, that was cursed at a second at that. 00:41:24
All right, so we'll move into, oh, we need to, unless you guys have any comments, questions or anything or do I have a motion for 00:41:31
the Vineyard Waterfront Master Plan? I do have some questions and observations. 00:41:37
Morgan, could you remind me because I know there is a plan on on public transportation and and by that I'm thinking. 00:41:45
Within Vineyard only and I'm thinking where I live on the southern end, I'd love to be able to get on a bus rather than driving up 00:41:53
here the three miles. What what are what is the plan for some kind of inter community transportation public wise or whatever? Just 00:42:00
remind me of that please. 00:42:06
More than I do, but I can tell you at least from some of our conversations, I mean, right now there's a bus route that comes in 00:42:15
off of Office Center St. 00:42:20
It's that little segment of mill turns, goes this way and then shoots up. I believe the idea is that that will then connect into 00:42:25
the train station and then it'll come back. And so you'll have kind of this segment of the city covered. There's another bus that 00:42:33
comes in off mill and hits the high density areas. I believe that as well. Talking with UTA that would. 00:42:41
And, you know, go through downtown to the train station to the lake, then come back and then maybe go on Geneva Road and then come 00:43:19
back. And I mean, there's, there's different options and but there's nothing that's that's in a plan not to have anything to add. 00:43:26
No, I'm just because that I know as I talk to people of my genre. 00:43:34
Yeah, umm. 00:43:39
We're into walking, but not long distances. 00:43:40
And we'd like to have that lakefront access and and if we're looking at cutting down cars. 00:43:43
If there could be some kind of inner city or something small bus route seriously considered, I think would be really a great. 00:43:50
A great amenity for the city. Yeah, I know in addition to UTA and, you know, all the other routes that they would have. Yeah. The 00:44:01
mayor asked us to explore the automated shuttles and there are some systems out there that are that are in use right now. I think 00:44:08
University of Utah did a pilot program. I think that's still going on where it's automated. So there's not a driver has a very 00:44:15
defined route. It doesn't go very fast because it's obviously a pilot program, I think 12 miles an hour but. 00:44:22
Dedicated, I basically large trail, it's like a 20 foot wide trail that goes through the university and that that and that and 00:44:29
that's that's pretty cool. So we talked to ETA and then you dot about implementing that. We talked to their automated shuttle. The 00:44:36
people that are over like looking at that program and there's definitely some interest in in in exploring it still right now it's 00:44:43
in the very like pilot program type type phase of that technology. 00:44:50
And what they told us was if we wanted one. 00:44:58
We need to have a dedicated 20 foot wide route for right now. It can share lanes, which which makes it really problematic and very 00:45:01
expensive. That's a ton of land you have to dedicate for a 12 mile an hour system. Obviously technology, I can't remember what 00:45:08
they say it's every like seven years or so it's supposed to double. So you know, in seven to 14 years we might be at a point where 00:45:15
automated shuttles are just flying through, you know, right, right in our normal system. So. 00:45:23
The mayor definitely wants us to. She's asked us to kind of stay on top of that and if there are opportunities for that type of 00:45:31
thing to look at it, but also asks us to look at potentially just studying, having a shuttle circulator of some sort that could 00:45:37
hit our major neighborhoods. 00:45:42
Thank you. Other questions. 00:45:49
With all of the park opportunities that there are along the lakefront and so on, what has been any consideration on All Abilities 00:45:53
Park? 00:45:58
I know we've had conversations about that and the need for one in our community and I'm just wondering if any thought has gone 00:46:03
into where that might be or if we could even proceed that way. And I'll let our planner Brian talk about that. He is working, he's 00:46:10
managing the corridor plan, which is our really big 80 acre Central Park plan and that's a component of that. 00:46:17
Yeah. So, Brian, what I, what I can say about that is that we're basing our plans that we're doing with PEC with Lars Anderson and 00:46:25
his crew. 00:46:30
Our baseline for our future designs and conversations that we're having are from a plan that was created by the city and by by me 00:46:36
during my graduate studies and all buildings playground was always a part of a conversation within that concept plan. So moving 00:46:43
forward, that has already even begun to come up in topics fighting conversation with Lars and PC. So it's kind of just a matter of 00:46:50
identifying where it is. 00:46:58
Put it how big we want it to be and where will be best received by the resident. So it's still on our minds very presently. So the 00:47:05
central corridor plan is basically this. It's like, so we're right here in city offices and it's like this fish hook to Gannon 00:47:12
Park, the Robbins property that we purchased that includes the wetlands that go north, north of Center St. and then into Gamma 00:47:19
Park. So it's this kind of whole area. 00:47:26
So the idea is to make one unified, you know, open space park. 00:47:34
Park plan and then trying to integrate an all abilities park within that concept. Good. I just, I just hadn't heard it discussed 00:47:38
and I wanted to make sure we didn't lose sight of still that being one of our objectives for sure. Yeah, we've we've mentioned it 00:47:47
last week in our meeting on Thursday. So it's still around for sure. Thank you, Brian. Couple of other questions. 00:47:55
There, there used to be, as we know, a really great destination. 00:48:06
Place here called Geneva Resort. 00:48:10
Kind of where Linda Marina is now. 00:48:13
And within this new concept, I know we're looking at a lot of different lakefront eateries and, and other recreational places. And 00:48:16
I would hope that we could keep in perspective perhaps recreating in some way the Geneva Resort, which was, you know, an eatery. 00:48:25
It was a recreational area. Dancing. I mean, there were bars and I don't know, there were all kinds of stuff there, but. 00:48:34
If we could just keep that concept somehow in our minds as that whole lakefront's being developed, it would be great to. 00:48:44
To recreate that to the degree we could, and we're gonna have two bars now, so 2 where we're starting. 00:48:52
About nightlife is starting to, so we have about time and then Top Golf, we'll have a walk on it. Yeah, you're absolutely right. 00:49:00
And that's one thing about like the Marina village of the of the plan was looking at that as potentially having like a resort feel 00:49:07
to it. It is on state land, so there's a lot of like complications there. But maybe we do Marina there and then on the private 00:49:13
property side across the street where, you know, that's potentially where we can do a resort. 00:49:20
In some instances, the state will allow, you know, development. 00:49:27
With the new Lake authority, that is that was approved and being basically put in place right now, it's been implemented. They're 00:49:30
going to be opportunities because of big focus to that is going to be tourism and economic development. So there might be 00:49:35
opportunities to to bring back some of some of those uses. 00:49:41
And then a final question or just. 00:49:48
Observation There were two or three places that I read where they talked about the the the rich heritage history of of Vineyard 00:49:51
and there were some other words used in there I. 00:49:56
I'm very hopeful that. 00:50:03
There could be more. 00:50:05
Representation of what that heritage and history is somewhere in the the lakefront. I know in there there's mention about the 00:50:08
native peoples. There was some even drawings I think of TPS or lodgings if I saw that correctly. 00:50:16
It would be wonderful if we have a location that could be dedicated to the native peoples as part of our original heritage as well 00:50:25
as early explorers. 00:50:30
And I know we're talking about having educational facilities along the lakefront, which is great, but it would also, I think add 00:50:35
to the uniqueness of what Vineyard is. If we could really build on that Native American population and perspective and, and 00:50:43
somehow have it as part of our, you know, lakefront or somewhere nearby in the lakefront and, and recreating the, the history of 00:50:50
the vineyard. So I, I. 00:50:58
Words that I saw and I guess I just I hope that now that will come into actual concept from a heritage standpoint. I know that 00:51:05
Councilman Flake is has really wanted us to find some place within the lake promenade and potentially near the lake that would. 00:51:14
That would honor our our veterans, you know, and, and we do have quite a few, I think, yeah. Are these the veterans are here. They 00:51:24
are the veterans World War Two. Yeah, yeah. So there's, there's quite a few of us that have served and I, I, I know that's, that's 00:51:30
an important thing from from him and from the Heritage Commission. So. 00:51:36
Absolutely. 00:51:43
And that's all I have. 00:51:44
Thanks, Tim. Any other comments, questions, No. 00:51:46
So there's a some proposed motion language. I was trying to workout the ordinance number. It's 13, so it's 20/22/13. Should you 00:51:51
choose to prove it, there's there's some language you can use or you can use whatever language you know you desire. 00:51:58
There's a motion. 00:52:07
Make a motion to afford a positive recommendation to the City Council of Ordinance 2022. 00:52:11
#13 Vineyard Waterfront master plan. Do you have a second? 00:52:20
One second. 00:52:25
All in favor, this would be right roll call. All right, Chris. Aye, Tim. Aye. Price aye, Tay. All right, passes. 00:52:26
Thank you. Thanks Morgan. And then with I guess I had a question, it wasn't, it's not relevant to it passing or not, but how soon 00:52:36
assuming that this passes at the City Council level, are we going to see the beachfront stuff happening? Oh, that's a great 00:52:42
question. Yeah, as far as implementation goes, so we are working right now. So we have the grant money to spend on kind of that 00:52:47
northern section. Obviously to implement everything is going to be really expensive. So we're going to take off a little bite 00:52:53
sized pieces. 00:52:59
So we know that from the private sector, they're going to build the boardwalk buildings and, and the retail on the ground floor. 00:53:06
And So what we thought was a logical next step was to build out the boardwalk park and some of the open space areas as you 00:53:13
transition down into the water. And in addition to that, doing the application and the planning work necessary for the the 00:53:21
wetlands to to expand the beach. It's a lot more complicated the process you need to go through with the Army Corps. 00:53:28
And we're looking at that as the Catalyst project. That's what the City Council chose is. 00:53:37
Expand the beach that that's what everyone wants that when they hook into residence, they want a clean good beach so they can swim 00:53:42
in and use. And so but right now with the money we have would be to build the boardwalk park, which transitions down to the beach 00:53:48
go through the application process and once we have a basically construction documents or I don't know what level of the same 00:53:54
probably know better me. But when we have better plans a place then that would allow us to go forward and and apply for another 00:53:59
TRCC grant. 00:54:05
Or some other type of grant to to expand. 00:54:11
The beach, so we're hoping to happen soon, but we'll start to see the Boardwalk park hopefully next year. I mean, because they do 00:54:15
have to, we have to use those funds by December of 2023. And so we'll start to see some good open space getting implemented up 00:54:20
there fairly soon, OK. 00:54:26
Cool, thanks. 00:54:32
All right, moving into 6.1 urban green documentary. 00:54:34
Yeah. So sorry, this is Brian again. 00:54:39
So we are constantly thinking of opportunities that we can increase our sustainability as a city and reduce our environmental 00:54:43
impact. 00:54:48
Give me a second. I don't have it plugged in the link. The link is in the agenda. So if you want me to connect to your video, 00:54:54
Morgan, sorry, I just don't have anything. 00:54:58
And so right now we're actually working on our general plan. We're trying to update parts of our general plan. We. 00:55:04
Want to give up a general plan to focus on sustainability strategies and in terms of transportation, industry, housing, green 00:55:14
space, all these different elements that make up our city and so we wanted to show a video that basically goes through like 00:55:20
examples of different places around the world that are doing. 00:55:27
Awesome projects and improvement policies for increased sustainability. And so we wanted to show the video and afterwards I have a 00:55:35
few questions I wanted to share with you guys and kind of get get you brainstorming on some things that we we can consider doing 00:55:44
as doing as a city to increase our overall sustainability in different aspects. So the video is 27 minutes long. 00:55:52
Can. 00:56:03
Only 1 1/2 times this one too. 00:56:05
Oh, maybe. And is it the last one? And it worked? Well, yeah. 00:56:08
We can try it, we can try it, we can do it if you don't feel like you're getting much out of it and we can slow down. OK yeah, 1 00:56:14
1/2 was really good for the last video OK, let's try it let's try it. It's a good one. I like this one faster talking anyway yeah, 00:56:19
we definitely want you to hear it so if you don't feel like you're getting. 00:56:24
A try. I've seen this one a couple Times Now. 00:56:31
Like in my studies and stuff so. 00:56:35
Second one. 00:56:38
You guys here? 00:56:43
Yeah, I can't hear that. 00:56:46
Yeah. 00:56:55
I do. 00:56:56
Of this guy here. 00:56:57
Yeah. 00:57:02
Let us know if it's too fast moving. 00:57:04
So we set off Inspirational. 00:57:35
Technologies and potential. 00:57:44
Is that good or just checking on anything? 00:57:52
I would like a little slower. OK, 125, yeah. 00:57:55
Harder with an accent? Yeah, accent makes it harder. 00:58:03
There's driver for sustainable future on this planet will be a long or lost in the next 30 years. We expect a dumping of the level 00:58:18
11 population and the dumping of the global infrastructure. That is a very short window of opportunity tonight. So further 00:58:24
investment decisions taken today will determine whether people will. 00:58:31
Into resource inefficient and fossil fuel dependent infrastructure lifestyles, or if they could enable things to become places 00:58:38
where we can live attractive and healthy and stabilized. 00:58:43
Over the next 30 years, more than five times the global GDP was invested in other infrastructure issues, so it's critical for 00:58:49
those investments remain as sustained in the Brazilian way. 00:58:55
A number of actually the state has to take and actually take together is first of all to try to become local, to shift on top of 00:59:02
skill towards renewable energy. Secondly, to become resilient. We are going to face the impact of climate change and it will be 00:59:09
different for one party world. The other part we have to look further into how can our existing ecosystems, our violence we have 00:59:16
in own areas, how can that support us in our disabilities for the other children in the world is tremendous. 00:59:24
Number one challenge for cities is actually on inside the city is to recognize that has to be sustainable in its entire inflows 00:59:34
and outflows of energy of water of food, of all materials. So to see stuff like they're part of a wider ecosystem as you plan 00:59:40
every urban area where the citizen that keeps yourself within a circle of economic model in terms of resources in and out. And the 00:59:46
second looking forward to business will be. 00:59:52
So how long? Cities around the world responded as northern China, one of the most ambiguous, ambiguous climate action. 00:59:58
They tend to achieve this working the board, Rangers, stakeholders, else. 01:00:09
When I first campaigned for mayor in 2008, one of my key priorities was to make Vancouver the world's greenest city by 2020. So we 01:00:28
put together an action plan, worked with citizens and businesses and neighborhoods, put together 10 targets in water, food, clean 01:00:35
air, free business, clean jobs, releasing our carbon, reducing our consumption and 0 waste. 01:00:42
At the beginning. 01:00:53
Worry this was too much for people like that they would be able to see a point eventually because they were totally wrong and 01:00:54
we've had 35,000 residents 180 organizations to engage the regular plan 10s of thousands of residents have been involved in 01:00:59
implementing when they. 01:01:03
Plan. They own the plan. 01:01:07
150 separate city policy initiatives that range from big farms in the middle of a dense city like Vancouver, waste recovery that 01:01:13
we've had, we've had technology that we're doing and green economy. We've raised our green jobs by 19%. We've reduced our water 01:01:19
usage by 18% on greenhouse gas emissions our way down because many more people are biking and walking and taking transit. But it's 01:01:24
really the innovation is how do you marry a government to the residents, to businesses, to the different civil society groups and 01:01:29
making a collective effort. 01:01:35
Taking a fossil fuel for the city. 01:01:44
Possible that requires. 01:01:47
Once the technology is right, they happen very quickly. And I think electric cars, solar energy, energy, they're right. A lot of 01:02:26
people think they have this forecast for, you know, 2040. We're having just a bit more percentage of these. I think the 01:02:31
transformation is going to happen so quickly, but most of the forecasts are going to be quite short. 01:02:36
Technologies are better technologies for the consumers and we've crossed the price point where they make sense. So once that 01:02:43
happens, it's basically a matter of awareness, getting around word of mouth, the understanding, the experience. And as it grows 01:02:48
across exponentially and we're going to see a transformation, industrial revolution. 01:02:54
When we first started here, but we recognized that there were some people that wanted to install solar, that wanted to do 01:03:04
something new, actually wanted to do something to reduce their environmental footprint. So we started with these panels, the 01:03:10
system. Since then, the installation growth has been about 40% per year. So in fact it could be 9 years. It wasn't the man. People 01:03:16
wanted to see more renewable energy installed only. 01:03:22
Is not available in the model they want or in variety or color or whatever it is they want. And so we're finding that there's some 01:03:58
areas that are showing us a good example of policy that can trigger that change and California has the best example that we found. 01:04:05
California right now is leading the standards they set. The 10% of the vehicles sold in California have to be electric vehicles. 01:04:13
They have committed to an 80% reduction in greenhouse gases if other states, Washington, Oregon, British Columbia. 01:04:22
Go back in the 90s where to adopt that kind of California policy, we would create a demand for electric vehicles that would make 01:04:31
them very commonplace. And we would get to the point where using the weight of States and the weight of cities, we could begin to 01:04:37
transform our missions. And that's where we need to go because we cannot win for national governments to take us there in the 01:04:43
morning. And once people understand. 01:04:49
That electric vehicle is actually cheaper to save some money. 01:04:56
All of a sudden, that returns the market. 01:05:00
Transportation is also a major challenge. Uses table cities, environment, environmental impacts. 01:05:05
It's actually one of the biggest choice in the world. 01:05:21
We have really visible statistical features, which is provided in Canada. 01:05:25
We have an A certificate of recycling house as well as you want to see what are right on harbor. 01:05:31
This is 6 acre that is actually one of the 10 lines bringers in the world. So what is this bringer really unique is the fact that 01:05:41
we told the time that already we needed is too much. So eventually planning over 400,000 clip and glasses on top of this area, it 01:05:47
really connects with these things. So if you're looking at downtown medium from an area perspective, you're going to see that this 01:05:54
space connected to the parking store and it can assist and it really was part of the vision of text. 01:06:00
I'm getting paid. 01:06:11
$1000 unless if not more. 01:06:12
Capital of South Korea seen a remarkable wasn't changed thanks to courageous communications with contamination. 01:06:28
So we should provide more environmentalism for English and also green solutions. 01:06:52
To the which is more environment but most important thing is to focus. 01:07:05
So we should be more position such as subway or times. 01:07:28
So I'm really. 01:07:37
Interested initiative by the city and so it is going to achieve 20% electricity. 01:07:41
Obviously. 01:07:58
On top of the filtering reservoir of water verification times that. 01:08:10
Doctor Reservoir has a cool effect, more efficient, so the average power generation hours is only 3.1 or 3.2 hours per day, but 01:08:16
the favorite higher than average is 3.7 or 8 hours per day. 01:08:25
Metropolitan government have this campaign of the one less nuclear power plant and this plant contributes to the company. So we 01:08:34
hope that this type of plant or distributing and expanded around the sourcing. 01:08:41
Renewable energy production, those in the cities overall energy consumption by constructing buildings and houses are consumed by 01:08:53
little energy. 01:08:57
The first thing I can do is work on massive design. That's life in the energy that we can get from massive design has to 01:09:05
designate. We use a lot of information. We use special glass and special personal to make the ongoing optimal so that the energy 01:09:12
does not lead through the walls with nature. Instead of trying to work against nature and that nature, cool as it is, passive 01:09:18
design techniques allow us. 01:09:25
One of the great features of this building are these incredible green walls. It brings nature into our urban environment. And then 01:09:33
sometimes you say that when we see green, it just helps us feel good and relieve our stress. On the whole rooftop there's a solar 01:09:41
panels, so this building is generating a lot of. 01:09:49
Renewable energy to provide electricity to this building. 01:09:58
I think there is. 01:10:25
That we have increased cooperation and together. 01:10:35
8 to 24 continue energy bus, so that's student exists, but we decided we want that one and there's a family in their way. But what 01:10:43
kind of course we're creating the bus and the bus was there after less than two years and now you can see very likely that's going 01:10:48
up and down. 01:10:53
Your picture. 01:11:03
For example, anyone's residence. 01:11:04
Means that when calculate emissions in the city from the citizens may not only look at the missions that are within the city 01:11:11
borders. We also take into account our consumption of products and services that causes vision in other countries and other parts 01:11:19
of Sweden. By doing so, we also getting perfectness on which climate issues that we have to focus on. 01:11:26
Normally when we have a geographical perspective that is the traditional way countries, there's a lot of focus on transport, 01:11:34
energy production and industry and that's important. But with consumption based, we're also going to focus on the consumption of 01:11:40
food, the consumption on air travel and other kind of consumption. 01:11:45
In 2018. 01:11:52
Sustainable projects. 01:11:58
I think the cortisol for rebox is simplicity. There's some sort of greenhouse that is earmarked in that way. When we use the 01:12:04
investors the opportunity to invest in specific projects, they know exactly where the money advise gold. So far we have invested 01:12:09
in elected cars by a guest collection and also in the water purification filter. We take this to extremist on forces, finance and 01:12:14
sustainability. 01:12:19
Make them move forward together to create some really exciting actually. 01:12:25
Change. 01:12:34
Between sustainable sustainable life class scandal. 01:12:41
Basically. 01:12:46
In order to build the urban environment. And there we saw the political in there, but there's lack of knowledge and that's where 01:12:50
we. 01:12:57
'Re successful and now we need the Chongyang country in China where private capital is fueling the sustainable, sustainable 01:13:06
expansion of the city. 01:13:11
And affecting the capital and the finance that is included. 01:14:02
More sustainable, sustainable mobility, renewable energy and the induction of nature. 01:14:23
And holidays to show in the past. The one that I destroyed your mom. 01:14:32
We have now embarrassed. 01:14:46
As well. So we have decided to develop any measure on one hand we take people that they shift to the favorable ability and on the 01:14:56
other hand we have a special problem that state perspective the most politicians within the city by 20%. That's just like the 01:15:02
cleanest one in certain cases in this industry to a lower, lower deposit. 01:15:08
We are supervising for taxi vehicles, also buying of electric bicycles. If you buy an electric bicycle you get the saucy on the 01:15:15
4th. Pushing very hard on every vehicles, one of our priorities and no one gets the reason. 01:15:27
Increasing investments in Europe and retro equipment is included priority in Paris. 01:15:41
In the next year. 01:15:50
But I say you have three big issues right now in the city and also the president or registry plan to mitigate tackle energy 01:15:54
poverty. You have to encourage creative what we call sustainable development action networks and together individuals application. 01:16:01
Commitments to baseline issues and instead of being alone in dynamic Spice, we are doubling them to share experiences to go 01:16:10
through bigger and also to be more known from the Paris population. And this network now is 10% of the participation. 01:16:16
Sustainable development while simultaneously battling challenges such as poverty and social inequality. 01:16:39
Unemployment. 01:16:49
We're able to have a responsibility of citizens to do what we can protect the planets from the outskirts of fiscal change and. 01:16:54
Our reliance on traditional energy sources and look to as many cleaner energy sources as possible. 01:17:08
So. 01:17:19
So. 01:17:23
So in this way. 01:17:36
And I want to use. 01:17:42
Their real potential than these goals a combination of both the top down and bottom up version of the necessary demands through 01:17:47
the involves city business. 01:17:56
Changing our energy system to renew energy is possible. 01:18:05
But we have to move very fast. The economy makes it in framework. We have to inform people. We have to make action on all levels. 01:18:10
I myself on my own, everyone else is. 01:18:16
The New World. 01:18:24
To make an appointment to embrace traditions and feel that they are either having a new work. 01:18:32
I. 01:18:55
But yeah, we just wanted to, I mean, so we're supposed to get the four hours of training. So this this will add to that, but 01:19:03
wanted to kind of start getting your mind ready for some of the sustainability things that we're going to look at in our general 01:19:09
plan. Obviously, these are very massive giant cities and some initiatives that are taking on, but other things on a like a very 01:19:16
local level that that that we can do so. 01:19:22
I'm sorry, thinking, you know, through through some of those things. I know the community garden was kind of a step in that way of 01:19:29
trying to locally source some third, you know, our trail system is a really important part implementing transit, the bus, the two 01:19:35
bus routes and the front runner. 01:19:41
So anyway, I just, as we go through the general plans, I think, you know, I've started kind of thinking of how we can implement 01:19:48
some sustainability type measures in our city. 01:19:55
So I don't think I have any comments or want to discuss anything but. 01:20:02
I just have a. 01:20:06
To me, it's an obvious question. I guess with the building of our downtown, we're gonna have a lot of rooftops. 01:20:08
So to what degree are we planning on solar energy on those rooftops? I've not ever heard that discussed sometimes. I know it's a, 01:20:13
it's a more expensive initial investment in construction, but I'm just wondering has has got a lot of rooftops. So are we going to 01:20:20
think about solar panels down there? 01:20:27
In the City Council work session last Friday they had that with Flagship and Woodbury. 01:20:36
And that was a point of discussion, not necessarily just about solar panels, but sustainability in general, having very energy 01:20:44
efficient buildings, you know, would they be willing to go for like a basic level of lead search certification? So there's a, 01:20:51
there's a lot of interest in that and also on how they designed the open spaces. 01:20:57
And so I that that's definitely something that we need to continue the conversation on. 01:21:05
Yeah. And concerning that, I. 01:21:10
LEED certification and stuff having more. 01:21:12
Having buildings that are built better, more efficient buildings are. 01:21:16
I would say better than solar panels just because the tech for solar panels is really good, but at the same time it's not the most 01:21:20
sustainable type of energy because of recycling the panels, the type of mining that goes into the panels, different things and 01:21:27
that's a whole rabbit hole to go. I don't know if what's good and what's not as far as energy, power and stuff, but. 01:21:35
I definitely, I think buildings having efficient design is super important and making sure that we have enough green space and 01:21:44
cover because. 01:21:49
If there's lots of asphalt, that makes a lot of heat. So the more trees we can have, the bigger trees we can have, the better. And 01:21:55
I know that things like that take water, but. 01:22:00
It's give and take, so I'm finding something that's a good medium is good and especially for the downtown, having water efficient 01:22:07
design is important. Absolutely. 01:22:13
So Bryce, I guess if I may ask, with you saying any more trees anymore green space, do you feel like maybe our current codes are, 01:22:20
are good or maybe they could be changed a little bit? Like what's your opinion on like where our code turns and stuff like that? 01:22:29
I need to read it again. 01:22:39
Yeah, I need to read it again to say like for certain if it needs more work. 01:22:45
Yeah, yeah. It seems to me that we're at odds a little bit because we're right now trying to do away with green space and make it. 01:22:49
Natural, you know, rock and things like that because of water, because we're in a desert and so. 01:22:59
I'm just wondering where do we go with the argument we want more green, more trees? 01:23:07
And yet we want more rockscape to reduce the watering need. 01:23:13
I'm wondering if just shade generally rather than thinking the trees are the only provider shade, maybe there are other ways to 01:23:18
provide shade. I'm thinking sales or or just other things that could reduce the heat being generated by downtown areas. I don't 01:23:25
know, building orientation, things like that I think, I think. 01:23:32
We want more, which is good in planning school and engineering programs. I'm sure they would teach you that trees are good. I 01:23:40
think what we're trying to do is reach efficiency with like water conservation. So not that we don't like green spaces, we just 01:23:48
want to make sure that the green spaces that we do have where we have places like turf grass, that those are spaces that are going 01:23:55
to be used to their best capacity. And if they're if we're planning grass or saw it in places that aren't going to provide. 01:24:03
Efficient use or good public use then that might be an area we can start to remove those areas and do more there escaping. But we 01:24:10
like trees for sure yeah and and there are plants that obviously take less water. I think we still need to be planting lots of 01:24:17
plants. We just need to be planting the right plants. Right. Right places yeah I mean so some trees are going to be a lot more 01:24:24
efficient than others Trees also help to clean the air and you know we we do have a lot of air pollution in this valley and so. 01:24:31
You know, I think trees are definitely part of the solution to having this cleaner air locally. 01:24:39
And it's their studies that show even locally if you have a lot more trees. 01:24:45
You're very specific local climate, it can be a lot cleaner yeah and as far as more water efficient ground cover, you don't have 01:24:51
to, you know go rocks too. There's there are other small plants that grow from more flat use far less water and the maintenance is 01:24:59
really low too and it's also soft to walk up. So it's just a matter of. 01:25:06
Being imaginative. 01:25:15
Maybe maybe something we could add into the plan because talking about stuff like that is awesome. As long as there's a plan for 01:25:18
it, a maintenance plan for it because you can. I know that we planted a bunch of native grasses and seeds out by the lakefront 01:25:24
stuff. But if you go out there and look, it's, it's not doing well. I don't know if there's, when I looked out there. I don't know 01:25:30
if there's anything that's not. 01:25:37
Weeds, I mean we generated, but I don't think that those are any of the things that were planted so. 01:25:44
Coming at it. 01:25:50
The right way, having a maintenance plan and being like we want to plant this, but. 01:25:53
We need X amount of years to like actually have it. 01:25:58
Thrive because otherwise it will get choked out by weeds and you can't just spray the whole thing and just hope it survives and 01:26:04
water the whole thing and hope it survives. It's got to be like you need people that know what they're doing and you need plants 01:26:10
that are right, needs to be designed correctly. So it's hard, it's easy to say like let's plant these, but it's hard to make that 01:26:16
maintenance fun. But if we can implement that into our general plan, I think that would be for sure. 01:26:23
Well, I had another question for you guys. With these kind of topics, sometimes people see them as like. 01:26:30
Contrary or not achievable or unrealistic, you know, we're trying to get people to believe in things like wealthability, taking 01:26:36
till the transit or reducing emissions, increasing ingredients based, things like that. That last one they don't fight so much 01:26:43
over, but those first couple ones they do. How can we get our residents on board? How do we and our partners, who do we need to 01:26:50
partner with and how can we motivate our residents to be behind these kind of ideas? 01:26:57
From all over the Wasatch Front, if we want them to stay here and not be going elsewhere to have to charge but spend money 01:27:35
downtown, be downtown, park there, but bring electric vehicles. Make it as easy as possible to charge here. You know what's the 01:27:42
vendor that we bring in and plan beforehand. Not not just a dozen, but you probably want to have 100 charging stations within 01:27:48
that, that three mile area wherever we're building parking, plan on charging. 01:27:55
We talked about the scooters or golf carts. 01:28:03
As much as possible support the electric vehicles. And that's something I think is very achievable of planning that out up front 01:28:07
because because we know that's already coming. But if it's so easy to do, then people will be more likely I think to say, hey, 01:28:14
let's go there. If they have to choose between here or downtown Salt Lake or Provo or or Lehigh or the new point of the mountain, 01:28:21
if they have an electric vehicle to say, hey, let's go there because we can just charge, park and go back wherever we need. 01:28:28
I think too, I'm sorry, Chris, go ahead. I think 2 financial incentives are important. So one or two of the cities where they 01:28:36
reimbursed and purchased a recorder cost or something. I think if perhaps if, if public transportation or the kinds of 01:28:45
transportation we want people to take is too expensive, people aren't going to do it. And so if there's a way to incentivize. 01:28:54
Encourage people financially to take by providing cards or I mean whatever it is. 01:29:03
To encourage the use of the facilities that are there is also very useful. 01:29:09
I will add that Brian and I and Councilman progresses and actually met with, I don't know what his position was, but he was like 01:29:16
in charge of the renewable energy in Salt Lake City this past week. And, and he actually gave us a lot of ideas regarding that 01:29:21
kind of stuff. And because of that, we've actually started opening up conversations with electric charging companies to see what 01:29:27
it'll take to get them to come to the downtown. Same thing with scooter companies. You know what, what do they need from us so 01:29:33
that we can provide that? 01:29:38
Because they are more efficient use of of energy. But then the other thing that this guy from Salt Lake talked to us about were 01:29:45
different programs that Rocky Mountain offers. Rocky Mountain power offers in terms of being able to like bulk buy solar panels as 01:29:52
a city. Well, it's residents by themselves, but the city kind of brokers this deal with solar panel companies to make solar a 01:30:00
cheaper option. Or I mean, you've got Rocky Mountain power right now has other. 01:30:07
Programs that residents can buy into that. 01:30:15
Helps generate their power through renewable energy. So there are programs right now that we can look into more, but but we have 01:30:18
been meeting with people to to see what we can do like actual implemental implementable programs that we can do as a city to kind 01:30:24
of lead the way. 01:30:30
Something that. 01:30:38
I guess people don't think of a lot when they think of renewable energy. Really is just walkability. If you don't have to drive 01:30:40
your car to a grocery store then. 01:30:44
You don't even need an electric car, you just walk and. 01:30:49
And if it's possible, I mean, that comes hand in hand with just economic like you, it's been so hard for us to get a grocery store 01:30:55
in the city, let alone like pocket grocery stores somewhere or something like that. So I don't know what the answer is as far as 01:31:03
like getting something like that to come in, but walkability is the main thing that's going to save. 01:31:10
That's gonna. 01:31:19
Save power. That's going to help the environment, right? Right. For sure. 01:31:20
Yeah, no embarrass. I think you, I think you've hidden the nail on the head there because I've read several books by, you know, 01:31:25
mostly planners and architects that would argue, argue the same thing, that it's walkability is by far going to be the biggest 01:31:30
thing that create an impact because lead buildings are grey, electric vehicles are great, but in comparison, nothing's going to 01:31:36
nothing's better than smart growth and development. 01:31:42
I think with Vineyard, we're like way ahead of the curve. We're still like a young and growing city. You know, we have a lot to 01:31:49
develop. So the downtown is still, you know, mostly a blank slate out there. 01:31:56
What I think we need to focus on doing is creating a vision for what we want to be in where we want to go in the next 10 to 1520 01:32:04
years, right. And so say staff, we've all been putting our heads together planes and work in engineering and getting comments back 01:32:12
from building Department 2 and we are we would like to introduce a new section of the general plan that. 01:32:20
Talks about just sustainability and resiliency. 01:32:29
And so we're still in the initial draft phases of what we want this chapter to look like, but we definitely wanted to address the 01:32:33
three pillars of sustainability, which are environmental, economic and social sustainability. And some of the topics are going to 01:32:40
be addressed are bone pack development, green infrastructure, water quality and conservation, green air and greenhouse gas 01:32:47
emissions, renewable energy, things like that. So that's mostly environmental stuff. 01:32:54
We want to talk about our economy and how we can downsize costs and increase our profits and how we can create jobs. 01:33:01
And make efficient use of, of, of our, of our funds in the city, including circular economies. In terms of social sustainability, 01:33:10
there's so many topics to touch on on that safety and security, Environmental Quality, mental health, physical health, improving 01:33:17
our living standards and even things such as like substance abuse and culture and language competency. Like all these things we're 01:33:25
going to try to implement into the, into this new chapter of the general plan and we're really excited. 01:33:32
Because it's, I don't know, it's, it's a time when it's what we need. So we're looking forward to working with you guys closely 01:33:40
on, on that new chapter and putting all that together with you and with our community. 01:33:46
Thanks, Brian. Yeah. 01:33:55
All right, moving on to Commission member and staff reports and expertise, discussion and disclosures. Do you guys have anything 01:33:56
that you want to? 01:34:00
I do. 01:34:05
So I was, I happened to run into this Gabitas, who is what's her official title? 01:34:07
She is a digital Access and Education program manager at the Utah State Library and I met her a year and a half ago through Utah 01:34:18
Communities Connect Commission. I was part of that for a little bit and essentially the the whole goal is to get Internet access 01:34:24
to every student in the state of Utah. 01:34:30
And anyway, part of her job is also understanding how cities can provide Internet access to its citizenry. 01:34:36
So that's gonna. Anyway, got a few. 01:34:47
Ideas from her that I'm going to hopefully talk more about with staff. Did you want to hear them now or I got my notes? 01:34:52
Or save it later. 01:35:01
Also, we've talked in the past about like Mill Rd. meeting with you on Mill Road and talking about some of those pedestrian 01:35:04
crossings. So I so I mean, we can discuss closes now or we, we can, you know, leave a staff and we can come back and have a work 01:35:11
session on, I mean, either way it's sounds like. 01:35:18
We could probably get this for free. So there's that. Yeah, we can schedule a meeting to talk about it more later. 01:35:26
And that's all I got. Thanks. 01:35:36
Morgan, I'm guys want to see you guys have anything you wanted to happen? Yeah, don't worry. 01:35:39
Yeah, cool. Topped off the on schedule for this year. 01:35:45
I believe so. I mean, they're, they're yeah. I mean, there's, there's a lot they still have to do. 01:35:50
So we've heard anything from this year to the beginning of next. 01:35:57
Cool. 01:36:01
Is the bus route still canceled for people that need to come? 01:36:04
Over 800 to get to the elementary schools over there as Alpine School District has still cancelled that bus route. 01:36:09
I don't know. We go to the charter so we have to get ourselves over there anyway. Are you familiar with any ongoing discussion on 01:36:17
that? And then we have brought a couple meetings ago the, the fact that, you know, eventually be nice to have a little pedestrian 01:36:23
bridge over the tracks there. And I think it's 400, but with the bus route cancelled, everybody that lives on that side that goes 01:36:30
to trail side the all the way over. 01:36:36
8800 down and then down the trail side. So this is kindergarten. 01:36:43
Through 6th grade, yeah, that's kind of hugely increase our traffic. I just want to make sure that stays top of mind. Any 01:36:47
discussions about especially an overpass or walking bridge or something there on 400 N because that's the obvious route, then be 01:36:53
able to get to trail side. But I mean, it it, that's a crazy distance to travel. And I think the website for offline school 01:36:59
district still says the bus route is closed because in that radius, you know, it's within the one or 1 1/2 miles. But really it's 01:37:05
it's a long walk. 01:37:11
Is that a part of the? 01:37:18
After transportation plan by chance? 01:37:20
No, I can't remember. 01:37:23
Or you mean that the bridge, the bridge, but as far as the like the bus route, we have the, you know, made it to school district 01:37:26
on it. 01:37:29
So I'll, I'll reach out to the our city manager. He tends to be pretty on top of anything with the school district and see kind of 01:37:32
what his thoughts are. I'm sure Tim and Julie have have already had a conversation with them and you know, won't report back and 01:37:38
hear anything. Thank you. 01:37:44
Cool. All right, if that's everything. 01:37:52
Then meeting adjourned. 01:37:55
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