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| All right, welcome everybody. It is August 17th and this is the Vineyard Planning Commission meeting. It is 6:01 PM and we're | 00:00:05 | |
| going to start, Chris is going to give us an. | 00:00:10 | |
| It's are we gonna give up? Yeah, I'm gonna, I'm gonna give us a little inspirational lesson. Last time we did property rights. | 00:00:18 | |
| Today we're gonna do records management and the importance of records management as part of our Planning Commission duties. So, so | 00:00:23 | |
| on the Planning Commission. And this is part of what I do in my state work, but it's pertinent to all governments in the state of | 00:00:28 | |
| Utah. | 00:00:34 | |
| Accountability and transparency is imperative to everything we do. The public needs to know what are we doing, how are we coming | 00:00:39 | |
| to the decisions we come to and ensure that there's not arbitrary and capricious decision making. We are very open with what we do | 00:00:45 | |
| and, and also my Commission and employees here, the public reaches out all the time and asks us questions or makes comments or ask | 00:00:51 | |
| for guidance. So when it comes to to record management, that's the core of it. That's how the public can hold us accountable by | 00:00:57 | |
| submitting grammar requests. | 00:01:03 | |
| In the state of Utah. So I was going to go ahead and just read quickly here of what is a record. | 00:01:09 | |
| So a record, and this is from grandma, means a book, letter, document, paper, map, planned photograph, film, card, tape recording, | 00:01:15 | |
| electronic data or other document, documentary material. Material, regardless of physical form or characteristic, that is | 00:01:22 | |
| prepared, owned, received, or retained by a government entity or political subdivision, and where all the information in the | 00:01:30 | |
| original is reproducible by photocopy or other mechanical or electronic means. | 00:01:37 | |
| So here on the, on the Planning Commission and, and, and just local government in general, most of the data we deal with is, is | 00:01:44 | |
| electronic and format. We get emails, we get communications. One thing that we need to keep in mind is we're not the records | 00:01:50 | |
| officers of the city of Vineyard City likely has a chief administrator and, and some certified records officer that's gone through | 00:01:56 | |
| the state records management certification and they make the determinations of what's a record. So it's important that we don't | 00:02:02 | |
| delete. | 00:02:08 | |
| Emails, we don't delete documents, we don't delete communications because it's all subject to grammar requests. One of the unique | 00:02:14 | |
| things on the Commission here is we don't use a Vineyard e-mail address. We've created Vineyard ask e-mail addresses that are in | 00:02:20 | |
| Grandma, but it's important that we properly maintain that and all the records in that too, because that is under the jurisdiction | 00:02:26 | |
| of the city of Vineyard. How we set it up and any communications we get there, it's up to the records officer to determine what | 00:02:32 | |
| should be deleted and what the. | 00:02:38 | |
| Schedules are for that. So, so in essence, make sure we properly maintain records, that there's a history that can be properly | 00:02:44 | |
| maintained and archived because while it may not have value now, we don't know if thirty, 4050 years from now, our decisions we | 00:02:50 | |
| make today can have impacts on the property rights of those we serve. | 00:02:55 | |
| Thank you. Should we have vineyards? | 00:03:03 | |
| E-mail addresses like maybe that's a discussion. So I will say speaking professionally, because this is, this is what I do in my | 00:03:07 | |
| work every day, the decisions that most of the communications we get are very basic. In general, they come from Vineyard City to | 00:03:13 | |
| us. So they have a record already coming from the employees of what they've sent us. But if we do any communications between US | 00:03:19 | |
| and others not in Vineyard City where they may automatically be archiving them, that's a valid question to raise if as long as | 00:03:25 | |
| we're not. | 00:03:31 | |
| Deleting emails, though, we, you know, Vineyard can get access to them, but we just make sure we're properly maintaining the | 00:03:37 | |
| records that we have so, so the public can congratulate us and see what's doing. I believe so. What Pam did is she had us. | 00:03:43 | |
| Give you guys all a Gmail right account and I think you guys all have the same password, but let's not say that. | 00:03:50 | |
| Well, it's supposed to be wide open for everyone. And so that was the idea is that anything that's in there is supposed to be | 00:04:00 | |
| super transparent. You're supposed to be able to, I don't know if you guys all have the same password or not, but but Pam is | 00:04:06 | |
| supposed to like control that. So if she gets a grammar request, she can grab whatever is in that e-mail and just and just forward | 00:04:12 | |
| it over. So I would say, especially with that e-mail, keep it very, you know, professional when you know, I'd keep your. | 00:04:19 | |
| The private life stuff out of it. | 00:04:26 | |
| I guess I have a question even though this is a thought. Do I save it for later? | 00:04:29 | |
| Oh, no, we can. Yeah. This is all on the same line. OK. I'm just wondering, like, who is your e-mail provider service? | 00:04:34 | |
| Who is that through? It's we're just running it through. Oh no, the the Planning Commission. So we yeah, city of Vineyard. | 00:04:43 | |
| We use Outlook. We still have Outlook. Microsoft. We could consider having a shared mailbox for the Planning Commission. | 00:04:52 | |
| And. | 00:05:01 | |
| I shouldn't add money or require a life. This is something I can start a conversation with Pam or recorder and then see what, what | 00:05:03 | |
| she'd like to do to proceed. I've, I've heard her say something along the lines of we should change how we do the e-mail system. | 00:05:10 | |
| And so I'll, I'll reach out and hopefully be able to follow up with you guys next Planning Commission meeting. Yeah, I think | 00:05:17 | |
| everyone had in the past emails through like the city outlook that gives like this official city e-mail. | 00:05:24 | |
| But I, I can't remember, I think it like cost like some money and as we have so that's why she went to Gmail. | 00:05:32 | |
| Yeah, Yeah. What I'm talking about wouldn't require a paid license or anything. So if you want to talk to me about that later, | 00:05:39 | |
| please, please do. Yeah, cash if you could. You want to translate that over to Pam. | 00:05:46 | |
| All right. And Tim would like to give an invocation as well. | 00:05:55 | |
| Our Father in Heaven, we're thankful for this opportunity to be here tonight. We recognize with humility the responsibility placed | 00:06:02 | |
| upon our shoulders and. | 00:06:06 | |
| We pray that we will have thy direction and guidance and the decisions and conversations that we have tonight. We're grateful for | 00:06:11 | |
| this community. | 00:06:15 | |
| And for those who have come before that allow us to enjoy living here and working and and being involved in the commerce of the | 00:06:19 | |
| community. We're grateful for all of those who have given so much over the years to help to provide the freedoms that we enjoy. We | 00:06:25 | |
| pray that we will do all that we can within our parameters to be able to help to maintain those in this way. You humbly pray and | 00:06:31 | |
| thank you for. | 00:06:37 | |
| In the name of Jesus Christ, Amen. Amen. Thank you, Tim. Thank you, Chris, for that thought. We're moving into an open session. If | 00:06:44 | |
| you have any public comments you'd like to make, come to the. | 00:06:49 | |
| Podium here. State your name. | 00:06:56 | |
| My name is Tyler Hilton. I'm a resident in the. | 00:07:04 | |
| I noticed I'm looking through some heritage. | 00:07:08 | |
| I noticed that the notice drive here. | 00:07:18 | |
| For more than settlers came in, they were not mentioned or not. | 00:07:22 | |
| When they were, it was not always terribly favorably. I don't think they're a lot different since then, but as we're kind of | 00:07:28 | |
| looking at heritage sites and preserving different buildings, the Timpanogos tribes so instant they're just. | 00:07:34 | |
| I think it's Jane County now. I'm on the reservation so I would like to see more. | 00:07:41 | |
| At least acknowledging and getting in contact with them, I know. | 00:07:46 | |
| Agenda today, there are a couple mentions of working with BYU and working with UVU tickets and historical records and help us with | 00:07:51 | |
| that for the heritage side of our planning and I would love to have that added on that list particularly as well. | 00:07:58 | |
| Thanks. | 00:08:06 | |
| All right, if there are no more public comments, we'll move into the minutes for review and approval. | 00:08:10 | |
| So I have a motion on that. | 00:08:16 | |
| Yeah, I'll make a motion. I make a motion to approve the minutes that were presented for April 20th and July 20th. | 00:08:22 | |
| Do I have a second a second all in favor? Aye, All right. Moving into a business item top golf miner site plan application. | 00:08:31 | |
| So that one we're just going to push into the applicant is here. They just kind of love the traffic. So we'll we'll go with | 00:08:39 | |
| Naseems items. We will push that back on the agenda and move into public hearing the RDA sewer impact fee revision. Do I have a | 00:08:47 | |
| motion to open up a public hearing second, all in favor, Aye, All right. | 00:08:54 | |
| All right, you seeing endorse the engineer? Let me get my slides up. | 00:09:05 | |
| Hopefully works great. It works. | 00:09:10 | |
| So tonight we'll be talking about the Rdos. And just to kind of give you some background, typically this is not an. | 00:09:12 | |
| That typically comes before Planning Commission when it comes to impact fees and other types of fees. However, after reading the | 00:09:20 | |
| state, the state code with our city clerk Pam and going through it, it, it outlines that the process should follow a process very | 00:09:29 | |
| similar to land use and with the city's process for land use having it. | 00:09:37 | |
| Being a public hearing for the Planning Commission, we obviously want to air on the side caution and for. | 00:09:47 | |
| And the spread of transparency here, we thought this is being brought to Planning Commission. With that being said that some of | 00:09:55 | |
| the items I'll be presenting won't necessarily be specific to this particular particular agenda item, but it will be covering like | 00:10:03 | |
| a more of a broadview of sewer impact using sewer impact fees altogether to provide the Planning Commission members. | 00:10:12 | |
| And understanding of what we're doing and why we're doing it as well. | 00:10:21 | |
| And by all means, if you do have questions during the during this presentation, feel free to ask. | 00:10:30 | |
| So the RBAC revision? | 00:10:37 | |
| So somewhere what's been presented is. | 00:10:41 | |
| The sources and why it's important we'll be talking about the impact, what is the impact some one on ones about impact fee. The | 00:10:45 | |
| then we'll go dive into the specifics of about about the sewer impact fee revision and of course talking as well as we'll talk | 00:10:51 | |
| about the next steps. | 00:10:57 | |
| And some pictures of. | 00:11:03 | |
| Sewer for sellers. | 00:11:07 | |
| So first of all, we're talking about why the steward system is important fast facts about venue. The venue has provides collection | 00:11:09 | |
| services. So when we talk about sewer, there's there's the pipes in the ground that takes the saw waste from the house to a | 00:11:19 | |
| treatment system system and those treatment systems for for veneer advanced treatment systems once TSST the temp. | 00:11:28 | |
| Special Service District and then, of course, city. | 00:11:39 | |
| The Albany city has three workstations, about approximately about 30 miles of sterilized plus or minus. And then the city's sewer | 00:11:43 | |
| infrastructure is approximately 115 years old. And when you think about that for a city, that's typically where you go for a city. | 00:11:53 | |
| On that so kind of diving deep into, you know, watch your why do why do we care about Sir? What's the you know, what's the | 00:12:04 | |
| importance of sewer that's a type of as a as a alcohol a brilliant and upcoming. | 00:12:11 | |
| You know, professional said that the sewer makes up 99% of the city and that 99% of the city is actually an invisible part of the | 00:12:19 | |
| city and it can't be seen and this is a part of the city that's very important. With that being said, there's another video about | 00:12:26 | |
| 10 minutes long to present to you what you really guys deep into the importance of where it goes and the importance of it. | 00:12:33 | |
| Come on. | 00:12:47 | |
| Is 1858 the City of London has its way to scorching the cities two and a half million residents in the Thames River. | 00:12:49 | |
| Let's try this again. | 00:12:58 | |
| The centuries Londoners have disclosed their waist against the stick. Bad. That's really bad. What are those? | 00:13:00 | |
| The wonderful habitat that your body provides, They're literally billions of microorganisms that include your waste making fun. | 00:14:30 | |
| I'm sorry, but it was and your intentions are with huge bacterial colonies actually there that helps digest food. It depends on | 00:14:43 | |
| substantially all healthy the viruses and bacteria. | 00:14:50 | |
| So. | 00:15:00 | |
| Focus on that matrix scene. | 00:15:17 | |
| I I. | 00:15:19 | |
| Right there by your own home. Even though many of us live in big cities, backyard subject systems are actually very common. As | 00:17:38 | |
| many as 25% of people in North America depend on them to process their waste and distribute it into the ground. Scientists learned | 00:17:44 | |
| long ago that the anaerobic digestion of students could be extremely effective in breaking down human waste and eliminating | 00:17:50 | |
| pathogens. The word objective actually comes from the Latin word for the bacterial action. You know as ****** all the stuff that | 00:17:55 | |
| goes down your toilet with wastewater. | 00:18:01 | |
| Call Blackwater and all the stuff that goes down the drain. Your sink in your shower or grey water flows into that tank, which | 00:18:08 | |
| usually holds about 4000 liters of liquid. And in the span of about two days, naturally occurring anaerobic bacteria get to work | 00:18:14 | |
| reducing songs in the wastewater into liquids and a kind of greasy, fatty residue. The insoluble particles will sink to the bottom | 00:18:20 | |
| and form the sludge, while the bats form a layer at the top of the tank. And yet I realize that I probably ruin your day at this | 00:18:26 | |
| point, but within 48 hours? | 00:18:31 | |
| From there it's on to the settling, AKA the grid chamber, which is where solids like sand and gravel and picked up along the way | 00:19:38 | |
| settled to the pot. It's also one of these two early treatment stations where other flexibles are removed. And there are literally | 00:19:44 | |
| tons of this stuff. According to one estimate of 50% of the so-called non dispersible material of wastewater is paper towels from | 00:19:50 | |
| public restrooms, another 25% is nothing but baby wipes, and the remaining 25% is a mixture of condoms and cosmetic wites and | 00:19:56 | |
| tampon. | 00:20:02 | |
| And random thing that toddlers probably got their hands on. The process we're all done varies depending on the system, but usually | 00:20:08 | |
| involves another mechanical stream or scammer. The real sugar begins at the next stage called the primary clarifier. This circular | 00:20:14 | |
| basin slows down the sewage so that the heavier organic solids fall to the bottom of the bottom will be removed and transferred to | 00:20:20 | |
| a digester, sludge press or drying bed, which will get 2. I promise back to the primary clarifier. Most facilities also use a | 00:20:26 | |
| skimmer here to remove. | 00:20:32 | |
| Foster and efficient environment for microorganisms that unlike those use the most septic systems, consume both organic matter and | 00:21:09 | |
| oxygen. At this point the water is known as activated sludge and it looks like dark mud. It's rich with active bacteria and | 00:21:16 | |
| percocol and then go into town on the oxygen rich water. From there the water heads to a secondary clarifier and yet another | 00:21:23 | |
| segmentation based at one last time for a new leftover heading South to the bottom where it's pumps to the. | 00:21:30 | |
| This leftover dry scrub is often used as fertilizer for agriculture or used to make compost mixtures that are sold commercially. | 00:22:09 | |
| So again, yes, you may have used to very deluded iPod the human poop grows the veggies in your garden. We here's my show love | 00:22:15 | |
| recycling how grow those columns are taken care of. We still have a bunch of wastewater leftover and now that needs to be | 00:22:20 | |
| disinfected before being released into the wild. Also known as our drinking supply. There are a lot of ways to do this some | 00:22:26 | |
| facilities. | 00:22:32 | |
| Morning they're giving a harmful bacteria still left in the water flowing can be introduced as a gas or a salt. Either way, it | 00:22:38 | |
| reacts with the water to form hypoflorous acid, which ultimately breaks down bacteria cell membrane and you're really effective. | 00:22:44 | |
| But if you live in a town that gives a bit you know that it does not taste good at all. We're in also to be dangerous for | 00:22:49 | |
| organisms in the rivers and streams that receive the wastewater, which is why some places now dechlorinate water after | 00:22:55 | |
| chlorinating. | 00:23:00 | |
| The water and natural wetlands where plants remove excess nutrients. So this is the end of the line. No matter what the | 00:23:37 | |
| disinfectant process, the effluent will be released, usually influenced nearby river or Creek, ready for you to possibly drink | 00:23:43 | |
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| All right, So hopefully that video kind of gave you like a good summary of what the what's the source system is, the importance of | 00:24:34 | |
| it and pretty much how that's how that's our daily lives. | 00:24:40 | |
| Kind of really goes to show that they're like when it comes to this, obviously something really wants in your house and not | 00:24:48 | |
| something you want to deal with. So I'm going to talking about what the impact is. | 00:24:54 | |
| The sewer specifically when it comes to sewer, this is where it does. This is the thing that goes towards directly. | 00:25:01 | |
| Applying towards towards this, for this particular one, applying towards the sewer systems and so forth. When we talk about | 00:25:10 | |
| empathy, it really comes down to. | 00:25:15 | |
| A lot of background information that's. | 00:25:21 | |
| Comprises it with the entire visa and talks about, you know, goes into like the actual operations and systems, some historical | 00:25:26 | |
| data, some projected data. | 00:25:30 | |
| And data that's very unique to the actual city. | 00:25:36 | |
| Let me see. | 00:25:44 | |
| Hold on now. | 00:25:55 | |
| Let me start this. | 00:25:59 | |
| There we go all right, so this time we looked at empathy 101 is and this is taken from the from Utah, the office of property | 00:26:05 | |
| rights, which is easily available online for the Planning Commission than anyone in general public. The highlight items are other | 00:26:11 | |
| things keynotes. In fact, we at one time charge is to mitigate the impact to local infrastructure caused by new development | 00:26:17 | |
| specifically for new development. | 00:26:23 | |
| Is to maintain the same level the same level quality of public services for for our residents. | 00:26:31 | |
| Don't have these to help fund expansion of public facilities necessary to accommodate a new growth and that's kind of emphasizing | 00:26:37 | |
| new growth on that. | 00:26:41 | |
| And then for a specific day in the state of Utah is governed by the Utah Utah code specifically impact the act, which is Chapter | 00:26:47 | |
| 11, Dash 36A. | 00:26:53 | |
| Hypothesis are used for. | 00:27:02 | |
| Troponin buildings and other physical facilities owned by the local government, that's specifically what the impact he has to be | 00:27:04 | |
| used for. And then there are some examples that specifically just for the sort of examples of what the factories are used for. Is | 00:27:10 | |
| there still types of documents? There's a lot of platforms, transportation, roads and factories. Some some municipalities have it | 00:27:16 | |
| as a multimodal type of impact fee. And then there's there's still more impact fees. There's some some misfires have parking | 00:27:22 | |
| *****. | 00:27:28 | |
| Public safety Attack these public safety or specifically for police and fire facilities. | 00:27:35 | |
| Additional for empathy, wake up to empathy, they can only be used for the facilities associated for their impact. So today we're | 00:27:43 | |
| talking about the sewer empathy. The fees that are collected for sewer apocalypse cannot be used for other types of facilities. So | 00:27:50 | |
| you can't collect for sewer and packing and use it towards. | 00:27:56 | |
| Building a police station, for example, or or school. | 00:28:04 | |
| For that case. | 00:28:10 | |
| There are some crossover areas like for example, when you're building a new road, if you're building a new road, you're using | 00:28:12 | |
| you're using Rd. impacts, but you're also using water impact to use and sewer impact fees because usually when you build 1 system, | 00:28:17 | |
| you have other systems that are following where it is well. | 00:28:22 | |
| Through a complex analysis, existing recursive existing levels of public services, future needs of the growth and anticipate cost | 00:28:28 | |
| to maintain as well. So it's not just. | 00:28:34 | |
| It's not just a single picture, a moment to picture capital facility facility plans, also called master plans and then they also | 00:28:42 | |
| call infrastructure facility facility plans as well. They're they're kind of like the basis of how when you're, when you're | 00:28:50 | |
| developing an impact to you and that those plans anticipate growth and demands created by new developments. | 00:28:58 | |
| I guess I'm really what impacting this is we thought was done by the Utah League of Cities and Towns and this is a 2 minute video. | 00:29:09 | |
| There you go. | 00:29:23 | |
| What is an impact? | 00:29:26 | |
| In Pakistan, these are a one time charge that the state legislature authorizes local governments to impose funds collected help | 00:29:28 | |
| pay for the cost of infrastructure in new and growing communities. It's a way for cities to finance the expansion of public | 00:29:36 | |
| facilities to accommodate growth. State law authorizes the fees only after the city first provides a detailed capital facilities | 00:29:43 | |
| plan. That plan must include an analysis of existing facilities, including the. | 00:29:51 | |
| Service providers and an assessment of future needs due to growth as well as the anticipated cost to maintain the existing levels | 00:29:59 | |
| of service. | 00:30:03 | |
| Impact fees are intended as a way to maintain the same level and quality of services for residents as the. | 00:30:08 | |
| Community grows. | 00:30:15 | |
| State law only allows some money collected tributes to be used on water, sewer and storm water facilities, roads, parks and | 00:30:17 | |
| facilities for police and firefighters. The money collected through effectives must be spent within six years. In that fees are a | 00:30:23 | |
| way to find a balance between existing and future residents in funding the new infrastructure their population growth | 00:30:29 | |
| requirements. | 00:30:36 | |
| State law also explains that impact fees are not intended to be used for operational expenses or to pay for capital improvements. | 00:30:43 | |
| They cannot be used to raise the level of service in a public facility. They cannot include overhead or the cost for general | 00:30:49 | |
| operations of existing service. | 00:30:55 | |
| Without his taxes, the services of infrastructure that residents are used to will not be able to keep up with the growing demands | 00:31:03 | |
| in our communities. | 00:31:07 | |
| The full cost of growth caused by new referees would be paid for granted taxes of existing residents. | 00:31:12 | |
| New residents who are creatively for new infrastructure and additional services should take an impact of the growth they caused. | 00:31:19 | |
| Impact User intended to maintain the same level of service for all residents as growth occurs. | 00:31:28 | |
| Alright. So I think with the big take away on that is that it's really used for the balance in order to provide some equity when | 00:31:46 | |
| it comes down to when it comes to important new services being provided to the residents at home. | 00:31:52 | |
| There we go. So kind of jumping into now the what with the regards to the what this with this presentation, what we're doing is | 00:32:00 | |
| we're presenting a revision to the existing sewer impact fee for specifically for the RDA, the Redevelopment Agency area. | 00:32:09 | |
| With this RDA in fact, either the basis of analysis was done by Mountain Land Association of Governments. | 00:32:19 | |
| Association of governments in doubt 2000 2003 So they went and did a detailed analysis of with in regards to their needs and | 00:32:29 | |
| demands and so forth for India. And of course it was done through a city analysis with its I I I FF community infrastructure | 00:32:35 | |
| facilities. | 00:32:40 | |
| Plan. Forgive me, I forgot what the second methods as well as an ordinance I was presented back in 2003 and approved by City | 00:32:47 | |
| Council. | 00:32:51 | |
| I was talking about the where, the where you see here based on the plan, the city is broken down into four different service | 00:32:56 | |
| areas. You have the RDA which is in the north. Yeah, there is C, Area B and area A. The purpose is for breaking up impact these in | 00:33:03 | |
| different areas so that a general sense is to agree what you want to do is when you want to provide services for an area. | 00:33:10 | |
| An area where there might be some large growth, you go walking some undo burden on another area that may that may have had | 00:33:19 | |
| experienced that growth that will not be experiencing that type of growth. | 00:33:24 | |
| Typically miss powers break up things into service areas and then do an analysis based on those service areas. And so without | 00:33:30 | |
| empathy we have 4 different types of service areas. | 00:33:35 | |
| Being one of the more. | 00:33:41 | |
| Original areas in the city having experience to grow up and then in DC and then area RDA, which is where we're specifically | 00:33:45 | |
| talking about which has which is undergoing growth. | 00:33:50 | |
| On the so when the typical when impacting analysis are being done. | 00:33:57 | |
| A lot. | 00:34:03 | |
| Typically done by three consultants press consultants actually look at what's your tenant what is the 10 year plan what's going on | 00:34:06 | |
| in 10 years lovely and anyways that aren't going to be experiencing growth in about 10 years. Typically what they do in order so | 00:34:13 | |
| they don't put down do an analysis of studies on an area that has that isn't projected for growth. They typically refer the impact | 00:34:20 | |
| fee and now excuse me before that it put a recommendation before that empathy. | 00:34:27 | |
| For multiple reasons. Another another thing that, excuse me, another type of implementation that you may see if more might be able | 00:34:34 | |
| to speak on this. Because when you do overlays, where in fact the overlays where they do this when you might have a certain | 00:34:42 | |
| servicer, but you want to focus it's over here on one area of that for to drive economic development or or anything else that the | 00:34:49 | |
| City Council volunteer. Then then there would be like a a type of. | 00:34:56 | |
| Really impacting the overlay area kind of help allowing the municipality to kind of do targeted growth or whatever you would like | 00:35:04 | |
| to do on that. You'll find those in other types of cities. So we are, I came from, we had a few areas where we did overlay | 00:35:11 | |
| corridors as well. | 00:35:18 | |
| So in essence with the audio with coming up to project the growth where this presentation that folks to the public hearings to | 00:35:26 | |
| take the RDA area service sewer service empathy for other from 1:00. | 00:35:34 | |
| I'll send it to another fee and due to what the RDA has been projected, the growth have been projected where it was done, it was | 00:35:43 | |
| set to 0. | 00:35:47 | |
| Now coming back to the other way, as Simon, Simon Seneca says, always bring it back to the Y. So we're talking, we're, so we're | 00:35:53 | |
| coming down to the Y. Why we do this? So here's some recent pictures of some new development that's been taken, development that | 00:35:59 | |
| by no, no means cannot have been done or by all means could not have been done, excuse me, if it wasn't for some of our key | 00:36:06 | |
| partners. | 00:36:12 | |
| On there one being the two partners being the developer. | 00:36:19 | |
| Utah Department Transportation and ETA to name to name a few. | 00:36:24 | |
| So then for starts, development has begun to argue service area and there's a need to adjust the sewer impact fee from zero to | 00:36:31 | |
| price $539 per era equivalent to presidential unit. This is for the specifically for the Venice Cities collection site as we | 00:36:39 | |
| talked about the Venezuela's collection services. | 00:36:48 | |
| TSSD as well as Om City provides. | 00:36:57 | |
| Treatment services, so specifically in the RDA it's being served by the TSSD for treatment services. There is a what we call pass | 00:37:00 | |
| through impact fee to to that area. | 00:37:06 | |
| And that pastor's empathy is set by the TSSD and as in essence, given to us by the city. And then we just hand it over. | 00:37:14 | |
| What the purpose of this is to find growth related infrastructure development, maintain the required level of service, and to | 00:37:23 | |
| prevent existing users from subsidizing those costs. Very much in essence with the video. The previous video by Utah League of | 00:37:28 | |
| Cities and Towns summarized. | 00:37:33 | |
| This is a picture which is pretty truthful. It's, it's what we're doing now is how much. And then when what we need to do is we're | 00:37:40 | |
| requesting, I was taking the dollar amount from zero to $539 per year. And then with when this will happen, this will happen 90 | 00:37:49 | |
| days after approval of the of the ordinance and the approval of the ordinance comes. | 00:37:58 | |
| Should be effective on November 24th, 2022. Based on City Council. | 00:38:07 | |
| So with another question, but I hear you definition is that that single family residence, does that also include accessory | 00:38:14 | |
| dwellings or would there be just what was originally I was able to be a tricky question. So when it comes to the Adus on that | 00:38:21 | |
| certain cities have maneuvered the Adu. | 00:38:28 | |
| Based on Utah law in terms of that subsidies have imposed a impact fee, a one time impact fee for for Adus for connections like | 00:38:37 | |
| for example they would they would require. | 00:38:43 | |
| Excuse me I'm trying to remember what city but I believe it's Lehigh. If I'm not mistaken it requires an Adu has a separate water | 00:38:51 | |
| meter. So because it has because it requires a separate water meter, it requires is a water meter impact fee to be paid due to | 00:38:58 | |
| that. Currently the city of greener does not have any anything like that and you are used to it the same as a as far as if it was | 00:39:05 | |
| part of the house. | 00:39:13 | |
| And then is there a business impact fee? Yes, our business is paid the same impact fees like your presidency. So ERU in essence | 00:39:21 | |
| equivalent residential unit, it takes a baseline away. Equivalent residential unit would be a single family house would be that it | 00:39:28 | |
| would be equivalent to residential units and would increase or decrease depending on the type of use based on the based on single | 00:39:34 | |
| family house, there's different, there's different. | 00:39:41 | |
| Methods and models in order to do it. Currently we're having our water master plan is being conducted by Hanson Allen Loose. | 00:39:48 | |
| And. | 00:39:56 | |
| When it comes to the equivalent residential units, in my experience there are water master plan times. That's the basis of where | 00:39:58 | |
| we're going residential yet is for that city, the city I came from and as well some other cities around Utah uses equivalent | 00:40:05 | |
| residential unit. There's a single family house which which utilizes a three quarter inch water meter. So if it's a single family | 00:40:13 | |
| house using A1 inch water meter, it's greater than one ERU. If it happens to use less than a three quarter inch water meter, it's. | 00:40:20 | |
| Less than one year, even though it's a single family house, the same as and maybe as its neighbor, but they, they see some, some | 00:40:28 | |
| places see that say as a fair way of doing it. So business that would tie in if that person uses a three quarter inch meter, they | 00:40:36 | |
| pay their impact water. I'm sorry, the same as a as a single family resident, they'll have different entities for. | 00:40:45 | |
| For transportation, they have different properties for. | 00:40:54 | |
| Maybe schools like a businessman play their schools and for they to put their own paycheck or a single family house with payschool | 00:40:59 | |
| empathy's for that. | 00:41:04 | |
| Thank you. OK. | 00:41:09 | |
| So in summer with the next, the next step on this would be to let the staff recommend approval of the ordinance that's been | 00:41:15 | |
| presented setting the sewer package from one $0.00 to $539 per era. And the next step after and then after this go to City Council | 00:41:23 | |
| to determine exactly what rate to collect. | 00:41:30 | |
| And that rate could be 0% up to 100%. | 00:41:37 | |
| As far as the other districts go, what are what's the impact fee for AB and CI believe for? | 00:41:42 | |
| This is on top of my head I didn't come prepared for that. I believe is over $1000 three RU which and then P is slightly more than | 00:41:51 | |
| that and then C and RDA is the lowest in. | 00:41:59 | |
| Yeah. And just to also one other point, the city is is going to be undergoing a sewer master plan this fiscal year. So with that | 00:42:08 | |
| sewer master plan being complete being done, the there will be another the FAA and the sewer master plan, they'll present another | 00:42:16 | |
| revision for the impact fees as well. And that impact fees, with that impact fee revision, we'll be looking at revising the path | 00:42:23 | |
| fees throughout the whole city, not just for. | 00:42:31 | |
| 11 area. | 00:42:39 | |
| Now theme, how are these seeds collected? That is who actually pays them and how are they paid? And then what is the pass through | 00:42:41 | |
| rate you can have information on? | 00:42:47 | |
| These are applied at the time of a building permit, so when a building permit submitted to the billing department. | 00:42:54 | |
| After the after review and so forth, party point building permit for certain fees had to be paid, inspection fees, application | 00:43:02 | |
| fees, and then one of the fees is impact. These impact fees are assessed at the time. And then when the impact fees are and then | 00:43:09 | |
| based on the assessment of the impact fees, they're applied as part of the building permits of the applicant before they're | 00:43:15 | |
| allowed to build a building permit, they they pay down, they pay that in taxi at that time. | 00:43:22 | |
| So basically the the developer builder pays the fee, but we assume that's passed on to the future purchaser of the property in | 00:43:30 | |
| somewhere, right? | 00:43:34 | |
| I mean, we're not actually knowing what their business practice would be. I would say in general sense the answer is yes, but | 00:43:39 | |
| that's the general sense to answer nowadays specific answer to new builder. | 00:43:44 | |
| And the pass through, the pass through Rd. service. So for example, TSSD has a impact fee that they that they charge because it's | 00:43:49 | |
| because they provide treatment services arms, so they provide services as well those those pass through fees. And what we call | 00:43:56 | |
| pass through is that NS as the city is not charging any additional cost on top of that. So for example, the city's portion of the | 00:44:03 | |
| impact fee for Syria is the same for. | 00:44:10 | |
| Sick of Argument $539. | 00:44:18 | |
| TSST says we'll, we'll provide that and we'll have an assessment. We have a charge for an assessment. And then they, there's, | 00:44:21 | |
| there's a separate currently regardless of the size and then, but there's the, they'll have that, that rate will be passed to the. | 00:44:31 | |
| Permit applicant collected by the city. The city takes that dollar amount and gives it directly to TSSD. | 00:44:42 | |
| To us and the empathies are used for extension of their facility. So TSSDS will take that dollar amount and it has the same | 00:44:51 | |
| restrictions as. | 00:44:55 | |
| Based on the Utah impact that they have to spend that for expansions or you know, for their services within that six year period | 00:45:02 | |
| as well. So there's no direct cost to the homeowner. | 00:45:08 | |
| Through the the past SE that's all done up front, everything done up front, yeah. So I mean I can't tell you whether it cost to | 00:45:14 | |
| the homeowners are because it's all based on business practices for that particular that particular person. | 00:45:21 | |
| Thank you. | 00:45:28 | |
| I have another question on this, just to make sure I understand. So for the impact be if you're a developer, you're building a new | 00:45:30 | |
| facility that requires extension of the sewer system to that facility. So they would cover the cost for the extension of that | 00:45:37 | |
| system in addition to the impact fee crack. So this doesn't actually provide any actual build out services to service. So there's | 00:45:45 | |
| a that's where you're getting some Gray areas like for example, there's times when you do what do you call it empathy credits for. | 00:45:52 | |
| So for example, like every builder is required to build above and beyond what they're required to build, what they would need to | 00:46:00 | |
| build in order to provide services to them. Then you get into negotiations and industrial development agreement typically. | 00:46:07 | |
| Credit, that's a mechanism. So that's often done in times of pioneering. So developers say, you know, I want to do that, you know, | 00:46:17 | |
| but I have to do, I have to do a lot more than what I need to in order to provide service for myself. What they'll do is they'll | 00:46:23 | |
| pioneer the services. | 00:46:29 | |
| For that and then there were the OT is a receive credits on that the city has a few agreements where there's been pioneer | 00:46:36 | |
| pioneering has been done in order to provide services for a piece of property that's. | 00:46:43 | |
| Like 3 miles away from the TSST they go and they, you know, do an agreement with the municipality. They would provide all those | 00:46:52 | |
| costs upfront and then enter into agreement with advanced power to receive credits over a duration of time. | 00:47:00 | |
| But then that's one mechanism. A city for example may choose just to pay the developer outright, or the city may chooses to | 00:47:08 | |
| develop themselves. Again, I can give you examples from where I've been in the past, where my my past we developed a built | 00:47:16 | |
| Expressway and we have 5 lane, the five lane A5 lane Rd. | 00:47:23 | |
| That served their development that also served the surrounding cities at the specific city in the county and was actually and then | 00:47:31 | |
| with that entertain agreement with the municipalities and in order to collect fees, productions of fees. So in essence, every time | 00:47:39 | |
| they pulled a residential permit that they would get, they would get a reduction of that would be assessed. That department would | 00:47:46 | |
| be assessed of that and then it'd be reduced. But they're the key portion of that is. | 00:47:54 | |
| The fees have to be applied to what it's used for, so for example that the very developer, not the road. | 00:48:01 | |
| Water, the water lines and sewer lines and suit lines. So the only areas that get impacted grass is from those three services. | 00:48:09 | |
| They cannot get a reduction in impact fees from school impact because that was not specific to what they were doing. And that | 00:48:16 | |
| developer, another example is I've, I've worked in Texas where the developer would build a fire station because they're developing | 00:48:24 | |
| increase the needs for fire services. | 00:48:31 | |
| To the developer provides property in both the fire station with that they got they received credits from the city in terms of the | 00:48:39 | |
| public safety reductions during that time. So every time they were building programming, it's a win win scenario. But in essence, | 00:48:47 | |
| there are short answers. The developers acting like a a bank to the to the municipality that they provide them a loan. | 00:48:55 | |
| Thank you. | 00:49:05 | |
| So I know we have a public hearing that we'll get to because there's probably some comments, but I did have a few questions and a | 00:49:06 | |
| couple of points I wanted to make. One is this is an RDA area. | 00:49:11 | |
| In some sense this seems odd to increase a fee in the same area that we're investing in or trying to incentivize folks to develop | 00:49:16 | |
| in. I don't necessarily, I mean, Morgan, welcome to jumping on that. I just wanted to call that out that it. | 00:49:23 | |
| Person in order to for economic development purposes, then that that that other body will pay for it. | 00:50:01 | |
| It, this is the way I look, the kind of way I look at it is it's kind of like it's a legal way of kind of swapping money around. | 00:50:12 | |
| But in essence, it's important in order to keep it for accounting purposes. | 00:50:17 | |
| And yeah, Morgan, I'd love your take 'cause I can't imagine this helps economic development in that area. | 00:50:24 | |
| Yeah, yeah. But it's it is pretty important that we be able to have the the fees to be able to to cover the cost of their | 00:50:31 | |
| structure. I mean, and we're looking at at economic development once it is kind of interesting kind of going along the the kind of | 00:50:38 | |
| the the road that you're you're going down. Is that Albuquerque, I knew Arthur C Nelson at the University of Utah, he's a | 00:50:45 | |
| professor. So a lot of impact fee analysis and part of what. | 00:50:52 | |
| Did is they set up their impact fees to, to, to kind of help drive the development within their downtown core. And what they | 00:51:00 | |
| looked at is, you know, they had aging infrastructure, but upgrading it and using because it's a long time cost to build some of | 00:51:08 | |
| the new infrastructure because there was already infrastructure in place. They were able to reduce the impact fees quite a bit | 00:51:15 | |
| because they wanted to push development within the the core as opposed to building out on the fridge. | 00:51:23 | |
| Often called leapfrog development, where you're having to extend infrastructure really far. | 00:51:30 | |
| Even past like fields and vacant land to the development that's further out on the fringe. And so they were able to utilize their, | 00:51:38 | |
| their impact fees to try and kind of drive the the development or towards the downtown. But, but overall, I agree with Nissim's | 00:51:45 | |
| take on his recommendation. Yeah, yeah. And then also like at my previous point about overlays, for example, I cannot like | 00:51:51 | |
| economic development zones that some cities do. | 00:51:58 | |
| And they provide that incentives for specifically for those overlays. Typically what they'll do is they'll have like, for example, | 00:52:05 | |
| transportation. My, my most of my experience has been transportation. In fact, the portion of us where they'll do like a, if it's | 00:52:12 | |
| a certain type of business building a certain type of zone, then they'll provide like a 75% credit towards that business. But in | 00:52:20 | |
| essence, what happens is that the economic Development Fund or the general fund or however they have it set up. | 00:52:27 | |
| Pays that interest and that actually pays that in tax fee for that developer, for that specific type of developer. So the impact | 00:52:35 | |
| feed fund stays whole, stays the same. It's not collecting less money, it's collecting the money. It's collecting the money it's | 00:52:41 | |
| supposed to collect. But it it's all a matter of who's paying it because that's enforcing when it comes down to financial physical | 00:52:47 | |
| responsibility and transparency. | 00:52:53 | |
| I was going to say another thing to you and I, Brian May touch on this in his presentation is the state does provide the allowance | 00:53:00 | |
| to. | 00:53:04 | |
| To waive impact fees for affordable housing and things like that that. | 00:53:08 | |
| When the development communities is undertaking those types of those types of developments and projects, the your, you know, | 00:53:14 | |
| profit is usually pretty thin. And so it provides kind of an additional set of to to try and kick off some, some of those projects | 00:53:20 | |
| because I mean, yeah, you're essentially raising the price of the end product of right, right. And so and, and usually they pull | 00:53:26 | |
| from a lot of buckets and we're playing their tax credits and those kind of things they're able to find, you know, profit that | 00:53:32 | |
| that makes sense to, to, to. | 00:53:38 | |
| Go forward with the project. So we that might be something we'd look at in the future. OK. And then this last point that I wanna | 00:53:45 | |
| make is the thing that would make me the most uncomfortable is if there were already projects or plans underway. | 00:53:51 | |
| Under, under the previous, I guess the current impact fee that would then be impacted by this. I know it's proposed 90 days out, | 00:53:58 | |
| but you know, I'm just thinking like if I had bought a piece of land under certain assumptions and then, you know, there, there | 00:54:04 | |
| was a change. | 00:54:09 | |
| Yeah, Yeah, that would that would be difficult. I think that. | 00:54:18 | |
| You know, maybe everything moving forward, you know, new land owners or when it changes ownership be applied. I'm not sure if | 00:54:21 | |
| there's precedent for that, but if there's projects underway that had already planned for the current impact fee, just curious how | 00:54:27 | |
| we'd handle that. Yeah. So typically again, that's why you have the when you have the nine day window on that and that's why it | 00:54:33 | |
| goes through the goes through this public hearing and the process as well. | 00:54:39 | |
| On in regards to that at the end of the day. | 00:54:46 | |
| It just comes down to as people are paying their fair share. | 00:54:50 | |
| In regards to development and then this way any any kind of agreements that like a one off agreement said that this probably may | 00:54:53 | |
| choose to make to any kind of accommodations is, you know, it's being done mainly for at the best interest of the best interest of | 00:55:01 | |
| that area of city. And then the impact fee fund is that it's still collecting the money. But in essence it doesn't matter. | 00:55:09 | |
| Who? Who's paying their impact? Excuse me, who's paying their impact fee fund? What's important is their impact fee funds being | 00:55:19 | |
| paid into. | 00:55:21 | |
| Because of the day it's even when you wave like my last to get my husband's power, I would have my same as your waves and at the | 00:55:24 | |
| end of each quarter I would give him a bill of how much he waived and how much money he owed me. | 00:55:33 | |
| From his from where he wants to pay me from because my Apaches had to be paid because there was a state law. | 00:55:41 | |
| Yeah. And then the last, the last thing I just want to make clear for the public is the Planning Commission can only make a | 00:55:47 | |
| recommendation to the City Council and the City Council will ultimately decide what happens with this. Just want to clarify that. | 00:55:54 | |
| And with that, if there's any public comments, welcome to come up to the podium. State your name and. | 00:56:01 | |
| Yeah. | 00:56:08 | |
| I have a question about. | 00:56:19 | |
| Was there a capitalist plan? | 00:56:25 | |
| Down for. | 00:56:30 | |
| So that's the answer. OK, so I'll make sure. So just answer your question. So in regards to the facilities plan on that, what what | 00:56:35 | |
| was done was that the the Service plan that was taken was the existing facilities plan that was in place. There's there's | 00:56:43 | |
| currently a massive funded for a master plan for a new one. This this particular empathy specific has been ascertained through | 00:56:50 | |
| historical documents that was. | 00:56:58 | |
| I would say it was left behind in order to ensure that he was being taken and then applying and then applying it towards. | 00:57:07 | |
| Should be our actual wish of that what should have happened on that. So the facility is not a master plan is being done through a | 00:57:18 | |
| particular third party is Evolver. I believe they have a sewer master plan in regards to that whether with that developer is doing | 00:57:25 | |
| on that is pioneering, pioneering specifically for the soybean pioneering sewer. | 00:57:32 | |
| Portion of the of the of the facilities plan specifically for the idea on that and then. | 00:57:40 | |
| My current understanding is that the current developer who's doing the pioneering is a majority stakeholder of of of this area as | 00:57:48 | |
| well. So again, to answer your question, a lot of this information is historical. Like you said it was shown in 2003 was when the | 00:57:54 | |
| last official analysis was done and then the facilities plan are taken from there was stopped and over the last one being from | 00:58:00 | |
| 2017, Sir. | 00:58:07 | |
| My concern is that. | 00:58:15 | |
| The argument was created basically for all of the mail site. | 00:58:17 | |
| Three different categories for infrastructure for. | 00:58:24 | |
| Community development and also for rehabilitation of the ground and. | 00:58:28 | |
| A lot of the infrastructure that's already in place in the RDA was. | 00:58:36 | |
| Built with our RDA fund. | 00:58:40 | |
| And and so. | 00:58:44 | |
| You're putting an impact fee on top of the RDA area. | 00:58:46 | |
| Another $539 for one. | 00:58:52 | |
| I'm sorry. | 00:58:57 | |
| So just to kind of explain how impact these work, again, it is what the impact has been done is it's actually a planted impacting | 00:58:59 | |
| and we have a discussion in regards to the bank accounts portion of it. So with the with RBA being set up in order to fund | 00:59:07 | |
| development, to fund certain developments in essence with Rbas acting as a developer or like a developer developer slash owner | 00:59:14 | |
| into this and executing it. So in essence at the end of the day, we don't. | 00:59:21 | |
| Assessment reviews will be assessed the way they're supposed to be and then working with our the finance, the finance department | 00:59:29 | |
| to overseas all the impact fee funds and how they're applied and how they're credited will make the determination of who's | 00:59:36 | |
| actually like which fund is actually paying for it. For example, if the RDA is providing hazard agreements in order to pay for | 00:59:43 | |
| development of certain types of infrastructure on that and the and with developer X. | 00:59:50 | |
| One, but the society developer Y there we go. The developer Y, What time is there? | 00:59:59 | |
| Then that agreement that's a separate agreement that's being done. The impact fee itself is totally separate from that type of | 01:00:08 | |
| agreement. And then we will see that the RDA would be paying into the RDA would actually be paying, paying into that development | 01:00:14 | |
| fee fund for for set developer that they may have an agreement with. Morgan was talking about the excuse me, Brian was talking | 01:00:19 | |
| about the. | 01:00:25 | |
| Antarctica's for low, low low cost housing for low low income housing. Excuse me and you know those incentives are coming through | 01:00:31 | |
| grants, federal grants and so forth. Those entities are still assessed and then you'll find that those federal grants will be | 01:00:37 | |
| could be paid could be paying into into those impact fees themselves since they're validating for the impact fees. You may you may | 01:00:43 | |
| we may find that the federal grants are paid to those empathies and there's a private let's just say there's a large private | 01:00:49 | |
| donation from. | 01:00:55 | |
| And awesome person who's very gracious that that and then building all those things that private person could pay for. So | 01:01:02 | |
| therefore the RDA technically doesn't have to pay for everything. Everybody comes down to the mechanism of how you want to fund | 01:01:08 | |
| things to be paying towards that. The fact that this is just establishing an impact impacting to this area is is important and is | 01:01:15 | |
| kind of kind of establishes that this area requires funding. | 01:01:22 | |
| Because it comes down to the point where the the. | 01:01:30 | |
| There's no more available funding, I'll say like after one to the third type of means of method or means of payment that there is | 01:01:35 | |
| an impact the established N for those funds for those for that to be funded through without a without a taxi as if you have a 0 | 01:01:42 | |
| tax fee. Hypothetically the RDA decide to close doors tomorrow. Any developer coming in would be paying $0.00 in fact fees and | 01:01:49 | |
| their local municipality would be on the hook for all future for all those impacts there. | 01:01:56 | |
| What you're saying is that that. | 01:02:03 | |
| The money that's being passed for here would impact the. | 01:02:07 | |
| Is for all new projects in the RDA area. So I understand what the money was being asked for the for the impact is on there is for | 01:02:12 | |
| projects in the RDA area that's that's been outlined in the capital facilities plan that data back and maybe 2017 if I'm mistaken | 01:02:21 | |
| or 2013 and when and how those things are being paid for is. | 01:02:30 | |
| So that it's a separate agreement between. | 01:02:39 | |
| RDA and set type of developer. | 01:02:42 | |
| And with a new impact, we're a new server master plan coming out this fiscal year with the debt outlines, the new capital | 01:02:45 | |
| facilities plan that will outline a new facility fees, not just for this prayer, but for the city and the whole which will | 01:02:51 | |
| actually put a lot better equity towards all residents and all businesses alike. So. | 01:02:57 | |
| It's done. | 01:03:05 | |
| Hutchinson I understood to be the black girl so. | 01:03:12 | |
| We own a lot of the ground, as everybody knows in the RDA area. I think we're pretty comfortable the way things have been working, | 01:03:16 | |
| where we come in with plans. We work really closely with engineering and planning on. | 01:03:22 | |
| What sewer facilities, what water facilities need to be constructive. So with the development that that we're proposing will work. | 01:03:30 | |
| And that's worked pretty well to this point. I think like the J line that goes all the way down the lake, all of the lift stations | 01:03:38 | |
| have been paid for by the RDA. Everything in the site, all the steward in the site has been paid for by the RDA. We have | 01:03:45 | |
| reimbursing agreement. So we're funding all of that. So we're essentially paying this fee now and then if we create the taxable | 01:03:52 | |
| value in the RDA to pay that back, that's how we get reimbursed and so. | 01:04:00 | |
| Getting all this infrastructure to this point for free based on us. | 01:04:08 | |
| You know, putting it all in and then hurrying and trying to create the taxable value to do it. And I think that's worked pretty | 01:04:14 | |
| well to this point. So I think we just want to go on record, not against the team because we really like the team and Morgan and | 01:04:19 | |
| everybody, but. | 01:04:24 | |
| We don't think this is necessary right now. If there does come a point where there are additional things that need to be done that | 01:04:30 | |
| the RJ is not willing to pay for, we can have this discussion. But I I just don't see any capital facilities that need to be done | 01:04:35 | |
| right now. | 01:04:40 | |
| For Stewart, and we're talking millions of dollars like, you know. | 01:04:46 | |
| $539 per unit doesn't sound like all that much, but just the buildings that we're proposing tonight, that's $200,000 per day. | 01:04:50 | |
| We'll just. | 01:04:54 | |
| One building that we haven't been planning on and we really want to take all the dollars we can and used to go to go vertical and | 01:04:58 | |
| put in the park and everything else. So this is just one more thing and of course we have to pass it like. | 01:05:04 | |
| You know, I mean TSV is a couple $1000, not like they're a couple $100, but every time we're paying PSD and we're paying for all | 01:05:11 | |
| the infrastructure that the RGA has been reimbursing. Like Don said, that was one of the main reasons that he already is the state | 01:05:15 | |
| set that up was to. | 01:05:20 | |
| Project so that the old Geneva site would actually be developed. The same for the RDA. | 01:05:26 | |
| None of this development would have ever occurred. And so it is, we feel like this is a really slippery slope too. When you start, | 01:05:31 | |
| you start layering on impact fees and it really just closed out the there's one of the, one of the, one of the. | 01:05:37 | |
| The reasons why the RDA is there so the development will actually occur and will occur faster than it does in other places, so. | 01:05:44 | |
| Just wanted to get down. | 01:05:51 | |
| Thanks. Missing you had said if we pass this today it goes to the council then who votes? But then they actually this essentially | 01:05:54 | |
| putting a arrow in the quiver so they could use it but they may they may not actually get applied or they would set a percentage | 01:06:00 | |
| of it to actually collect or this would be collected every time. | 01:06:06 | |
| They would like to, they choose to, they choose to go with in regards to collecting any kind of fee on that. So and that's why I | 01:06:16 | |
| put down the determine the right to collect 0 percent or the maximum percentage. | 01:06:21 | |
| On that kind of talking. | 01:06:27 | |
| So yeah, city count, excuse me, City Council may choose go with or without any kind of recommendations in order for this. | 01:06:31 | |
| I guess I use it with the past example that. | 01:06:39 | |
| In the city that my last city, you know, we went from. | 01:06:43 | |
| Kind of just like renewed everyone from a population about 15,015 thousand to 85,000 people in like 5 years. | 01:06:49 | |
| And at the 30 square miles with the full code out of over 100 square miles on that. And then in terms of that, for example, | 01:07:00 | |
| without transportation, they actually have applied a 90% reduction on transportation impact fees across the board and approving | 01:07:06 | |
| them. | 01:07:12 | |
| In the long run, because then they found that they actually didn't have money in order to pay for transportation projects and | 01:07:19 | |
| you're not just for future transportation project or transportation projects that they had that had done. So they had, so they had | 01:07:26 | |
| gone and they had to have loans and so forth. So part like so part of this impacting collection is actually would be paying for | 01:07:34 | |
| back floors and infrastructure improvements that had been done that's that directly impacts the RDA area. | 01:07:41 | |
| For example, there's a major sewer pipeline that that's that goes through the RDA that provides services directly with the TSST | 01:07:49 | |
| that was constructed that the city is paying for. | 01:07:55 | |
| It's still, it's still, it's still paying for and that was done through any reimbursement agreement with another with with a | 01:08:03 | |
| development. So that, that that would be an impact. | 01:08:07 | |
| And then so money collected for the advert from this and from all up from other residents would go towards paying back those those | 01:08:12 | |
| types of capital projects as well. | 01:08:17 | |
| So, so there is a need now to collect these fees to ensure there's not a disproportionate impact on existing Citizens Council. You | 01:08:23 | |
| know, as I once said, engineers don't allow engineers on file fees if they're not required, Sir. And that's sensible. And even as | 01:08:32 | |
| an engineer, if I saw if there was a fee that did not have to be so I would still go through the. | 01:08:40 | |
| Mechanisms of determining whether the types of visa should be collected and then. | 01:08:50 | |
| City Council has with the power can apply 100% discount on a fee and say the fee is the fee is set, the fee stands. We understand | 01:08:55 | |
| there's a there's a fee, but we're applying 100% discount in order for whatever reason at their discretion. So in essence what | 01:09:03 | |
| this is doing is taking that, taking that principle, applying, applying it forward. | 01:09:12 | |
| By the year later since I've been here and allowing City Council to make that make those determinations at their discretion of how | 01:09:22 | |
| they must see economic development. | 01:09:27 | |
| Pushing forward, but in short, but this fee does it sets the sets the baseline of what something should be. For example, my | 01:09:34 | |
| transportation impact fees at bylaw city was always a dollar amount. The fact that I was always collecting 75% of it or whatever | 01:09:40 | |
| percent of it didn't change. I was, but it was always set at the dollar amount that was supposed to be set up, that was set out. | 01:09:47 | |
| So therefore any kind of adjustments to that I go I would go back to City Council. | 01:09:54 | |
| Every year, actually, I went back to City Council for all my impact fees. | 01:10:02 | |
| We review the impact fees of once a year and we will go through to State Council review the impact fees with them. They would get | 01:10:07 | |
| the health of the budget from from finance department. They would get the health of the budget and set and then determine how they | 01:10:14 | |
| would like to set forth the impact fees for the for that next year, whether it was reduction, no change or increase. | 01:10:20 | |
| But they cannot increase it more than the Max dollar amount that was present, that was set and established. So again, this is | 01:10:27 | |
| establishing yet 539 as a maximum dollar amount. So, So technically City Council cannot say we want to do $800 per SE. | 01:10:36 | |
| Does that answer your question? So now seeing the the last bullet there says 0% to the maximum 539, so the 539 is established by | 01:10:47 | |
| state legislature. | 01:10:53 | |
| Going through going through the 2003, the 2003 Association of Governments modeling analysis and then the last capital facilities | 01:11:01 | |
| plan that was kind of put together. | 01:11:08 | |
| As well as determining you know the 530 and I would be the one that would that was based on engineers. | 01:11:16 | |
| Engineers. | 01:11:27 | |
| Recommendation to be the suitable for that area as well. So again this is State Council could say we would like to charge 1%. | 01:11:29 | |
| $539 or they may choose to charge 100% of it. So it's a percent of the 539. That's the base from which the percentage derived, | 01:11:37 | |
| correct? | 01:11:43 | |
| That's what City Council, this is the State Council's discussion, Sir. Yes, Sir. So they could say we're going to, we want to set | 01:11:49 | |
| impact fees at 10% of 539. That's correct. OK. | 01:11:55 | |
| So. | 01:12:06 | |
| Kind of from my understanding it sounds like it's taking like power away from the RDA and putting it into the hands of the City | 01:12:09 | |
| Council, which is weird to me. | 01:12:14 | |
| Ashley Ignite and you have a good point there and I made a spoken several times. So it's the RDA board who makes that | 01:12:19 | |
| recommendation. | 01:12:23 | |
| If I'm on a second. | 01:12:29 | |
| I know that's. | 01:12:32 | |
| I would be Darth Vader, that's got that. So, yeah. So OK. | 01:12:34 | |
| Yeah, City Council, Yeah, yeah, minus I got the State Council. Yeah, too many house, too many same people. My, my last city, the | 01:12:40 | |
| the CR, the CRA board was actually different people. They had a couple of State House members, but actually had different other | 01:12:47 | |
| people in there too. Easier to easier to remember what he was dealing with. OK. | 01:12:54 | |
| Correct. But now, so in essence, RDA will be presented, this RDA boy will make the recommendation and the City Council makes final | 01:13:02 | |
| determination. So that's correct. | 01:13:06 | |
| OK. So he's saying that the impact fees are essentially being paid by them because they're putting in the infrastructure and stuff | 01:13:12 | |
| that currently the city's not seeing an impact. Is that the case or are we, is this just that we're planning on seeing future | 01:13:19 | |
| impact that the Rdas not covering? I'm just trying to kind of wrap my head. So again, what you do is when you set the impact, the | 01:13:26 | |
| surprise and then it kind of. | 01:13:33 | |
| Down to like reimbursement agreements or set forth. So if a contractor comes in pioneer or something, that contractor doing the | 01:13:41 | |
| pioneering can realize 100% reimbursement of all the work that they're doing through. | 01:13:48 | |
| OK, so is that not already what the RDA is doing currently? | 01:13:57 | |
| $0.00 So if there's so for example, let's just say hypothetically 1 developer comes in does something and then sells a property | 01:14:02 | |
| off to someone else and that develop and the first developer collects the funding for the for, for that, for that work being done, | 01:14:10 | |
| developer 2 comes in and pull applies the billing permit and so forth. | 01:14:17 | |
| And then they're they're they're realizing some impacts the city were not that if it went when it's set to 0, the city will not be | 01:14:26 | |
| able to find itself getting reimbursed, reimbursing itself for that development that's being done. Again, there's a there's a | 01:14:32 | |
| there's a state statues and ways to house house done. We work closely with the finance department and ensure that it's been done | 01:14:39 | |
| correctly because the finance department at the end of the day is the one that ensures that is. | 01:14:45 | |
| The keeper of the money in terms of that, but it's, it's, it's a way to in essence ensure that the fee hasn't been set at a | 01:14:52 | |
| dollar, at a dollar amount, however. | 01:14:57 | |
| However, the. | 01:15:02 | |
| To the city and that developers agreement between the two plays out that that if there's another party that comes in for saying | 01:15:06 | |
| that the that that any other parties does not get the get the benefit from a from an agreement between one party between two other | 01:15:16 | |
| parties without that without the city choosing to do so. So this provides the city great discretion in order to how to apply. | 01:15:26 | |
| Its incentives. So is the city putting in the infrastructure right now or is there a developer currently? | 01:15:36 | |
| So if the so if the developer were to sell it, I mean, the developer already paid for it, so the city wouldn't. I mean, I don't | 01:15:42 | |
| see how so with this. Again, I'm an expert this and again, this is about when it comes to legal language things. Developers can | 01:15:48 | |
| choose yourself something and then sell. Typically when they sell, sell something, they'll sell fully developed and they'll sell | 01:15:55 | |
| with, they'll sell with. | 01:16:02 | |
| With that type of investment center, so the developer. | 01:16:09 | |
| If they put pioneers something got $0.00 of reimbursement they make you do sell sell out property and then then the person paying | 01:16:13 | |
| for their property would be paying for a higher dollar amount. | 01:16:19 | |
| To that person to, to that state, but then again, if they that developer pioneers something with the city and so forth and then | 01:16:25 | |
| having a set and reimbursed, having a set to 0 prevents the city from being able to kind of collect payments for something that | 01:16:33 | |
| they've invested the money in. So this in essence, the city is acting as an investor as part of the developer, which is obviously | 01:16:40 | |
| a very good thing because it helps both parties and the residents itself, but by having a set to a dollar. | 01:16:47 | |
| Amount whatever dollar amount above $0.00 allows the city and mechanism in order to enforce its ability to collect for | 01:16:55 | |
| improvements that are going to be done or have been done to due to the new growth or. | 01:17:03 | |
| OK, that sounds like. So in essence, having set to 0 allows for. | 01:17:14 | |
| Ties the city's hands from being able to do anything other than giving you away the the that that improvements for free and | 01:17:20 | |
| without any realization for being able to collect. But the but as I understand, the city hasn't paid for any of the improvements | 01:17:26 | |
| to this point, right? Let's see again with the running through the audio, the developer does improvements and then submissive | 01:17:32 | |
| reimbursement through the RVA. | 01:17:38 | |
| On that and then again, it comes down to what I like to say the smart bean counters who kind of shuffled the beans around and put | 01:17:46 | |
| the and then ensures that the the right, the right pocket pays bill. For example, you have it where the reimburses the developer | 01:17:54 | |
| and then, but there's a fee for like within the Rdas like hey. | 01:18:02 | |
| This is a impact fee credit type thing where the city could be paying our year. At the end of the day, you might not see physical | 01:18:12 | |
| money from moving from pocket to pocket, but it's all it's all done on paper. But it's important that that the finance | 01:18:17 | |
| department's able to balance these books. | 01:18:22 | |
| And have it to have the ability to say this is the value of what was being done, even if no physical cash is being transferred | 01:18:28 | |
| across the room. | 01:18:32 | |
| Yeah, go ahead. Yeah. | 01:18:38 | |
| Yeah, hasn't been closed yet. So I think, I think the main point, especially on the travel center area, you might spin back to the | 01:18:41 | |
| map, you know that there's no. | 01:18:45 | |
| So the Town Center area there, which is just left at where it says area RDA, we already have reimbursed in place currently with | 01:18:50 | |
| the RDA for sewer infrastructure. | 01:18:56 | |
| Where you know that we're paying for it, we'll get paid back at some point if we build buildings that pay property tax that pays | 01:19:03 | |
| back. So I think our concern is and. | 01:19:08 | |
| There are a lot of smart beam counters out there are concerned with this would be if we're already paying one being. | 01:19:15 | |
| For it and it's supposed to get paid that back and now we're paying another fee at. | 01:19:21 | |
| When we go to submit for permit now we pay 2 beans and. | 01:19:27 | |
| We're paying for it twice essentially. We've already paid for it all. The city hasn't paid for any of it. It's not at risk. Now if | 01:19:33 | |
| there's other areas that don't have those agreements in the team saying well maybe if the city like the RDA went under or | 01:19:39 | |
| whatever, then the city and some other areas may be responsible for that. We're saying we own most of this area. We're comfortable | 01:19:45 | |
| with that risk and we're going to have to work together if we get to that point. If there is no impact being we own the property, | 01:19:51 | |
| we'll have to put an infrastructure. | 01:19:57 | |
| We can't just come to the city and say you need to pay for all this stuff. | 01:20:03 | |
| In the other areas, but specifically for this area, the main thing area where we're going, we don't think there's a need for an | 01:20:07 | |
| impact fee because we already are comfortable with the reimbursement agreement the way it works with the Army. So just wanted to | 01:20:14 | |
| put one more thing on the record and I'll chat with that. Very good. Thanks. | 01:20:20 | |
| Any other questions or well I just wanted to make a comment so based on what I've heard. | 01:20:29 | |
| And I hope I'm not misinterpreting anything. The actual impact fee itself may not be a sticking point. However, we would need to | 01:20:35 | |
| make sure that no impact fees are assessed if there's an existing RDA agreement in place. | 01:20:41 | |
| It's that's. | 01:20:50 | |
| Kind of my previous point was that those are exactly what's what happened is if there's a are the agreements and I see this in | 01:20:54 | |
| general sense, but in essence place for developer for something with what's going on is that the impact is. | 01:21:02 | |
| May be paid for by the idea, for example. So again. | 01:21:12 | |
| In the last day of the city, it's like, yeah, so the example I gave us for my previously were with the way to impact these for | 01:21:20 | |
| schools. Like it seemed like every time my school was being built, it was magic wand it was raved. Hence I think that's why the | 01:21:26 | |
| city had the most schools per per student for some reason. | 01:21:32 | |
| But. | 01:21:40 | |
| The impact fees are being were being waived for the schools. However, the schools had The schools were not exempt. The public | 01:21:42 | |
| schools were not. They're not exempt from paying impact fees. | 01:21:47 | |
| So. | 01:21:52 | |
| Since there was a serious choice, as you can see his leadership choice to waive and impact me, the empathy still had to be paid | 01:21:55 | |
| for. Therefore this city. So therefore it whether came out there cities general fund, it came from Alpha Economic Development Fund | 01:22:00 | |
| or whatever different fund the city, the city's leadership had set aside that that impact. It had to be the money had to be paid | 01:22:06 | |
| for into that impact fee. | 01:22:12 | |
| On that, I mean, there's that one thing I agree about in factory forgiveness, et cetera, et cetera. It's all based on the state, | 01:22:19 | |
| state laws, et cetera, but. | 01:22:25 | |
| For example, the public schools weren't paying taxes for their few schools. However, the city paid the impact fees for them. That | 01:22:30 | |
| impact fee has still had to be paid because it's not the IT wasn't the city. It's not the city's managers fund or whoever's fund, | 01:22:37 | |
| is it? That's the city's residence fund. | 01:22:43 | |
| Yeah. | 01:22:55 | |
| Would be and I appreciate the work that you go through to determine how to make this city viable long term so that you guys aren't | 01:22:59 | |
| stuck with some. | 01:23:03 | |
| Massive surprise later and I really do understand and appreciate that. Just wondering if there is a need to have a representative | 01:23:08 | |
| of the art from the RDA here to make some comments or if there is some type of study approaching meaning of tax increment | 01:23:15 | |
| available or projected available and this is or was created the RDA for so far. So this is not a very easy, it's not a softball | 01:23:23 | |
| development location based off of previous use that was here based off of other. | 01:23:30 | |
| Circumstances with relations either your. | 01:23:39 | |
| You're locked within the lake and I-15 it and then full development combined with new development and different changes of uses | 01:23:41 | |
| and more modern type development and and a growth of. | 01:23:47 | |
| Residential needs and and affordable housing needs along with I think maybe the city attorney would probably need to weigh in on a | 01:23:52 | |
| few things would be there have been some changes from the state legislature side with some bills as to what RDA funds and how that | 01:23:59 | |
| process works to to use or to capture a or some type of tax increment in the future. | 01:24:06 | |
| That would be my only question is how does the RDA actually? | 01:24:14 | |
| Continue to do the job that has been done previously here so that there is an incentive needed in this town, for this city, in | 01:24:20 | |
| this location to develop and there is a need to incentivize and attract. | 01:24:27 | |
| Tenants, users, developers to put infrastructure in and and some of those rules that that process have changed recently. And I | 01:24:35 | |
| think Jamie could could weigh in on that and maybe the RDA could actually explore a little bit better. | 01:24:42 | |
| What this would impact her, if it's even possible area to continue to participate in certain high areas of development with the | 01:24:50 | |
| testing in the future? | 01:24:54 | |
| No, thank you very much for those points. Yeah, for sure that that information has been provided to Jamie, the city attorney as | 01:25:02 | |
| well as the finance director who's acting who's over over the RDA as well for. | 01:25:10 | |
| Prior for review as well. So and then this will be taken to like we discussed this will be taken to the RDA board for for | 01:25:18 | |
| presentation for recommendation approval so that I'll be able to be able to review and they haven't said before it goes to City | 01:25:22 | |
| Council for final action. | 01:25:27 | |
| But no, thank you very much for those points. | 01:25:33 | |
| Yes, yes. | 01:25:38 | |
| All right. Any other public comments? | 01:25:41 | |
| Any other questions? | 01:25:46 | |
| Yes, we have, you have different options. I mean, obviously the recommendation of approval or denial or of if you needed more | 01:25:48 | |
| information. Ultimately what they seem is really hammered is getting to, you know, getting to the City Council level there you're | 01:25:55 | |
| going to have the RDA representative, you'll have the city attorney, city manager. And so, you know, some of those points are up | 01:26:02 | |
| tonight. That's kind of what the purpose of the public hearing is, is to bring up points that need to be further. | 01:26:08 | |
| You know, dive into. | 01:26:16 | |
| And so that that's the opportunity to do it there or if, if you so choose, you may also request that to happen that that, that, | 01:26:17 | |
| that this level that's that's up to you. | 01:26:22 | |
| OK. | 01:26:28 | |
| I have a motion to at least close the pedal carrying. I move to close the public hearing. I have a second. | 01:26:33 | |
| One second all in favor, aye? | 01:26:40 | |
| Alright, does anybody want to make a motion? | 01:26:44 | |
| So before I would make a motion or anything I think. | 01:26:48 | |
| Where I'm coming from, it's not necessarily a recommendation of what's existing there. I think it's more review this with the lens | 01:26:52 | |
| of. | 01:26:56 | |
| Finding a way to make sure that we're not. | 01:27:02 | |
| Causing undue burden on existing land owners where there's already agreements in place and then ensuring that. | 01:27:05 | |
| This aligns with the city needs financially long term, but that it's done in, in the, in the most simple manner that's transparent | 01:27:14 | |
| to all land owners and future land owners. That's my key concern with this because every, every, you know, there's, there's impact | 01:27:21 | |
| fees in every other location that that's expected, right? But in a, in an area like this with the RDAI just want to make sure that | 01:27:28 | |
| it's very clear where the RDA will step in. | 01:27:34 | |
| Where they won't and so. | 01:27:42 | |
| I think the easiest thing to incentivize strong economic development is being predictable and easy to work with. If there's a | 01:27:44 | |
| moving target all over it, it makes it very difficult to do short and long range planning on both sides. So that that would be my | 01:27:50 | |
| input for the City Council. | 01:27:56 | |
| Yeah. And and my issue is if a developer is putting in all the infrastructure themselves, then then I have a hard time seeing the | 01:28:03 | |
| point and having an impact fee for them particularly. But for those that are coming in after the fact, then that's where I see it. | 01:28:11 | |
| Like that makes sense. | 01:28:19 | |
| So I. | 01:28:29 | |
| Like for the downtown development in particular when they're putting in the infrastructure. | 01:28:30 | |
| Dennis. | 01:28:36 | |
| Well, they could still be reimbursed if they're paying. | 01:28:38 | |
| I don't see the point of. | 01:28:41 | |
| The impact, see if they're the ones right, if they're building out the infrastructure and then they're also submitting a building | 01:28:43 | |
| permit for. | 01:28:47 | |
| What they intend to build next to the infrastructure they put in it, it wouldn't make sense to have them pay for something that's | 01:28:53 | |
| already been paid for, like the impact has already been paid for, you know, in that in that respect. | 01:29:01 | |
| At the same time, I like have, I like giving the city the ability to negotiate with future developers because we don't want to | 01:29:12 | |
| again be stuck between a rock and a hard place and have no negotiation abilities. | 01:29:19 | |
| We've seen how that has impacted the city before and it'd be great to continue to avoid that in the future. | 01:29:29 | |
| And I really like this, Mistine pointed out. Like we, we can have this fee as a Max the cap fee. | 01:29:36 | |
| And the city can utilize. | 01:29:45 | |
| The ability to have like a 0% fee of this ERU. | 01:29:49 | |
| Just depending on who the developer is, what they have already put in, what their reimbursement agreement is, etc. So it feels | 01:29:57 | |
| flexible and it feels like something that we can make sure the. | 01:30:03 | |
| In the structure of this fee, it is specific to if you've put in infrastructure, you're not going to get hit twice. | 01:30:13 | |
| Because we're really happy to work with you. | 01:30:23 | |
| I'm always doing opposed for double, double taxing somebody in essence and making them double pay. But again, it comes out to | 01:30:28 | |
| ensure that people are paying. So in that sense, if someone's coming and developing something. | 01:30:36 | |
| And so forth. You know, in essence what they're doing is they're going to wherever the dollar amount they would be paying in would | 01:30:47 | |
| be reduced to what they what they would typically know. | 01:30:52 | |
| And in this particular scenario, in this particular scenario, it's what we're seeing is more of a one for one, maybe not maybe | 01:30:57 | |
| more in favor towards the city and certain circumstances on that. But then again, you also look at redevelopment areas, so for | 01:31:04 | |
| example for. | 01:31:11 | |
| Someone, her brother's single family house, decides to purchase a single family house, tear it down and build. | 01:31:18 | |
| Or actually it's happened other areas where they go out of two or three houses, tear down to three houses and build 1 giant house | 01:31:26 | |
| on top of three houses, those higher houses. But then the new redevelopment run the pattern pay impact because of bringing | 01:31:34 | |
| additional burden non-existing system as well. So in essence, I have a $0.00 amount the city's ties hands and not able to do and | 01:31:41 | |
| not be able to do any of that, right. So if we can just be sure to have language in there. | 01:31:48 | |
| To. | 01:31:56 | |
| To not double impact people. I mean that's essentially what most of the concerns here that I'm hearing. | 01:31:59 | |
| That that's my only suggestion. | 01:32:10 | |
| That's great. That's great. That's great suggestions for sure. That's a suggestion that we will follow. | 01:32:12 | |
| Any other comments? | 01:32:17 | |
| And 539 it to some it may not be huge to others it's really big. I mean in this room we have, you know a lot of big developers, | 01:32:21 | |
| but the impact of steel real. So I think anytime there's an impact fee for anyone, we can't entirely predict what the impact is. | 01:32:29 | |
| The individual has to pay it and how it's going to affect development. Especially. I think we do have to recognize I mean what's | 01:32:36 | |
| happening downtown is new. There's a lot of costs being paid and I think we're getting a big benefit from that. So whatever we. | 01:32:43 | |
| I'm inclined having nothing in place, you know, there's going to be future people come to build downtown. They should know what | 01:32:51 | |
| the impact is going to be for them fee wise because they're not, you know, they don't have pioneering agreements right now. So I | 01:32:58 | |
| see the need for them to know what the impact fee will be. But we just need to keep in mind the work being done now in the | 01:33:04 | |
| pioneering agreements that are already in place and and especially if the infrastructure is being built, you know, to to support. | 01:33:10 | |
| What these companies want to to then, you know, utilize, I think we need to take that into account and and mention, you know, you | 01:33:17 | |
| know, double bean counting that that's something that I think we're all concerned about is. | 01:33:22 | |
| They're doing the work to build all of this that Vineyard couldn't necessarily do otherwise, and we want to avoid charging double | 01:33:28 | |
| impacts and then having to to collect RDA funds or, or credits back from for years to come. | 01:33:34 | |
| We're not suggested by boarding having the finance director being able to speak, articulate the point of how the finances are | 01:33:45 | |
| accounted for to ensure that you know that things are being counted for properly and then to that undue burden on a residence | 01:33:51 | |
| developer and. | 01:33:58 | |
| Or even is not being placed again. | 01:34:04 | |
| Double requires someone to double pay for the same service is totally against the grant of what they public agency should be. | 01:34:10 | |
| We're not here to make money, as much as I like to argue that with another fellow planner of mine, but we're not here to make | 01:34:23 | |
| money. We're here to ensure that we're providing this basic services and that any needs for the residents and the businesses alike | 01:34:29 | |
| and you know, increase the quality of life for everyone to the to the levels that everyone's acceptable to. | 01:34:36 | |
| All right. Thank you, Sir. | 01:34:44 | |
| Do I have a motion? | 01:34:50 | |
| I'll, I'll make a motion. It's never fun to to increase fees or money that the government collects, but I do think it's necessary. | 01:34:54 | |
| So I'll make that. Do we have the that the proposed 1. | 01:35:00 | |
| Do you have language for approval? The motion that would be, I don't like to have it here, but I think it's ordinance. So it would | 01:35:08 | |
| be if it's recommending approval or denial would be for ordinance 2022-14 to the City Council. I make a motion to recommend | 01:35:16 | |
| approval or you said a motion to send to the City Council. | 01:35:24 | |
| I recommend approval and send to the City Council for approval of Ordinance 2022-14. | 01:35:32 | |
| Adjusting the RDA service areas to impact fee from $0.00 to $539 per ERU in addition to the pass through rate at the current TSSD | 01:35:38 | |
| rate. | 01:35:44 | |
| And I would like to make an addition to that that. | 01:35:51 | |
| It's a recommendation based on. | 01:35:57 | |
| That people that are putting in infrastructure are not being double, double paid and I. | 01:36:02 | |
| Yeah. | 01:36:11 | |
| And then, Chris, do you accept that on that amendment second? | 01:36:13 | |
| I'll second. | 01:36:20 | |
| All right, is this roll? It is a roll call. All right, it's roll call. Hey, Anthony, Bryce. Alright, Tim, Chris, hi. All right. | 01:36:21 | |
| OK, now we'll go to business item 4.1, Top Golf Miner site plan applications. | 01:36:37 | |
| I. | 01:36:50 | |
| OK, my name is Barry Maya. I'm city planner. I'm introducing the next applicant ex development. The owner and manager of that | 01:37:08 | |
| company is here to answer questions. | 01:37:14 | |
| Basically, this is a site plan amendment. | 01:37:22 | |
| To the same top golf site and facility is to add a 10,000 square foot addition to the existing top golf building. This area is | 01:37:25 | |
| basically going to function as a waiting space and additional recreational waiting space for the people already waiting and | 01:37:33 | |
| registered for days at the top golf so as they're waiting for. | 01:37:41 | |
| Their position in the queue, they can go into this area and and enjoy an additional recreational facility. | 01:37:50 | |
| For their entertainment. So as I mentioned it's 10,000 square foot addition. This application also proposes some changes, minor | 01:37:56 | |
| changes to the to existing parking lot and to some of the ADA, the position or location of the ADA parking spaces within the lot | 01:38:05 | |
| and also adds 10 required parking spaces to the entire project. | 01:38:14 | |
| The entire project is still very empty. | 01:38:23 | |
| Part There's still a lot of spaces for people parking the mini golf. Let me show you a picture of what it will look like. | 01:38:27 | |
| So it's kind of a similar design done in another location, not really sure where this location is, but Eric Turner can speak to | 01:38:41 | |
| that when we just ask them some questions. But this is essentially what's going to look like. So it's twelve holes. Six of the | 01:38:48 | |
| holes must be 80 compliant and four ADA compliance will be a Commission of approval with this project and final designs that | 01:38:55 | |
| include ADA compliance, it must be submitted before building permits. | 01:39:01 | |
| The entire edition is considered the open space, so it does fall under the definition of royal. Open space is within Arizona | 01:39:09 | |
| definition so recreational areas and facilities are included in the function. Muslim League off will be turf but or I should say | 01:39:15 | |
| Astro turf. | 01:39:21 | |
| But it will still be adorned with water wise plants, trees and shrubs. | 01:39:29 | |
| The management, we'll go back to the site plan. | 01:39:35 | |
| It will have A at least 2 minutes proposed to have a four. | 01:39:44 | |
| A full foot fence around the perimeter, it doesn't cross the six feet high and eight feet in weight on the moving part just to | 01:39:49 | |
| provide some additional shielding and screening to the more like dining and gathering areas of the top golf facility. But that's | 01:39:57 | |
| one condition that we actually have to have further conversation with the applicant because our zoning totally allows a 42 inch | 01:40:04 | |
| docker defense on the front. | 01:40:12 | |
| Yard of the establishment. So that is something that will be requiring tonight, but further conversations will take place that may | 01:40:20 | |
| include his own text amendment for commercial properties that might be benefited by a fencing that exceeds that 42 inch in height. | 01:40:28 | |
| So that that might be coming in the future to be presented to the Planning Commission. | 01:40:36 | |
| So for now we'll need be approving 42 inches in height. The facility I mentioned was doing 10 additional parking spaces and with | 01:40:46 | |
| that. | 01:40:51 | |
| So let me explain why so many golf requires 1 space for 1000 square feet of activity area as stated in the outdoor amusement and | 01:40:57 | |
| recreation parking requirements. And along with those 10 spots, we do actually jump up to one more additional bicycle parking | 01:41:03 | |
| space as well. So that will have to be amended. | 01:41:10 | |
| Video parking. So let me show you how the parking changes. | 01:41:18 | |
| Can I pull up the old or the original approved site plan? So before the ADA parking was located here on the northern part of | 01:41:25 | |
| Vermont. It's been moved down to a more centralized location in the lot. And then also this 4 feet concrete sidewalk is added to | 01:41:34 | |
| the parking lot. And I think it's a good addition because it does provide a safe. | 01:41:42 | |
| Facility for people within the parking lot to get in and out of the of the space. | 01:41:52 | |
| These are protected and dedicated areas for pedestrians. | 01:41:58 | |
| In addition, this crosswalk is being added. Let me just pull up the old site plan. | 01:42:03 | |
| This is what I used to look like before on the approval from September the 1st of 22 months, we have your 780 parking spaces here | 01:42:13 | |
| in the north and in this area did not have a crosswalk, so that's being added as well. The additional parking spaces are being | 01:42:20 | |
| added here in this section. | 01:42:26 | |
| Southern just to the South of the the minutes here. Moving back to the new site plan. | 01:42:34 | |
| One of the conditions of approval is that it's not showing in the in the site plan that an ADO ramp be provided right here. So | 01:42:42 | |
| that's something that we would like to see. | 01:42:48 | |
| And then? | 01:42:56 | |
| That's pretty much the the summary of the project after he was had a chance to ask the applicant some questions about the project | 01:43:02 | |
| or express any concerns are laying out the different conditions. I have 8 conditions that I'd like to walk you guys through, so | 01:43:08 | |
| Eric is here to answer any questions. | 01:43:14 | |
| Eric Conrad's development. I'm going to start out with the fence discussion. Happy to have a seeking. | 01:43:24 | |
| That we work with staff to we're not going to amend the zoning code and so we could work with that after approval tonight prior to | 01:43:30 | |
| building permit that we have a code compliance sense that would need the 42 inch requirement. | 01:43:37 | |
| Eliminating the privacy screening likely in most most locations they could just an iron fence keeping this you know as part of the | 01:43:47 | |
| account for our open space is there is a little bit of. | 01:43:52 | |
| Fine line we have to walk with the ABC and making sure there is some separation with the hyper fence and so it would have the | 01:44:00 | |
| majority of it's just an iron fence. They can stay through 42 inches. I believe that the ABC requirements too. | 01:44:06 | |
| The other items that we are doing, there's one, one more crosswalk on the north side of 500 N that's been added as well going | 01:44:17 | |
| north. So several new crosswalks, new pedestrian connectivity, the mini golf course. And then we can get conditional approval | 01:44:23 | |
| tonight to work with the staff on the events, material and height as well as work with building department on the ADA compliance | 01:44:29 | |
| department. | 01:44:35 | |
| Fighting force and the new problem. | 01:44:41 | |
| That would really help us sort of condition this year. | 01:44:44 | |
| Cool. Thank you. Any questions? | 01:44:48 | |
| Yeah, I do have a question on just the setup for open space requirements. So this although open space it's not open to just the | 01:44:51 | |
| general non paying public in in this section, correct? | 01:44:57 | |
| OK. Yeah. So there are incorporated in here. There's there's a hangout benches and Cornwall play area and whatnot and a trail that | 01:45:06 | |
| can be walked on. | 01:45:11 | |
| But it is open to the public, just not that playing part. OK, I wanted to clarify that just because if we're counting it as open | 01:45:17 | |
| space, I want it to be a. | 01:45:21 | |
| Public amenity that some people can enjoy even if they're not playing. | 01:45:25 | |
| And this will be available separately from regular top off families with kids. | 01:45:29 | |
| Any other questions? | 01:45:45 | |
| So just because I didn't understand the question, great. So is the mini golf course open to the public to use if they're not | 01:45:47 | |
| participating in the top golf activities? It's not free. | 01:45:53 | |
| Aspects to this new site, they designed this landscape design that has some benches and quantum play areas and some other hangout | 01:46:00 | |
| spots that are open to the public for non paying customers to play golf on the mini course. | 01:46:06 | |
| Do you need to pay for the entire couple of No. | 01:46:14 | |
| Yeah, OK. That's. | 01:46:18 | |
| And. | 01:46:21 | |
| Yeah, and you could walk in and go around the mini golf course and not pay to play and just be there, correct. It might be a | 01:46:24 | |
| little awkward. And you said ******** is open to the. | 01:46:30 | |
| Public, but you'd also walk in, walk all the way around and then. | 01:46:37 | |
| Mini golf on the in between the building and the mini golf right where it says mini golf area per owner, just down to the bottom | 01:46:43 | |
| right of that rectangle. There's a corn hole hanging out spot right there. Benches throughout the area. There's lighting | 01:46:49 | |
| throughout the area. So it is and there's a pathway that makes connection. So you see the trail going to the right. It'll go to | 01:46:56 | |
| Geneva Road and tie into the future of Geneva widening. | 01:47:02 | |
| You know pedestrian facility that gets placement by your dot? | 01:47:10 | |
| Any other questions? No additional questions. | 01:47:16 | |
| I think it's cool I have a motion. | 01:47:19 | |
| Can you add to the conditions too that they'll work with stuff on fencing? | 01:47:27 | |
| And ABA compliance, right, right. Those are conditions that are laid out here. So the conditions are the application style 17 | 01:47:33 | |
| bicycle parking styles for the new required parking calculations definition 80 ramp at the East End of the sidewalk that leads | 01:47:41 | |
| pedestrians onto 1700 E from the Indies Falls and from the primary building. We could just choose that to make sure that. | 01:47:49 | |
| That idiot answer and start at the ends of all crosswalks and that kind of covers everything. The applicant shall ensure that the | 01:47:59 | |
| design of the mini golf meets all 80 requirements before submitting for building payments. That includes accessibility rules, | 01:48:07 | |
| accessible accessible rules, accessible routes, accessible services, ingress and egress, etcetera. | 01:48:14 | |
| So this is kind of a specific one from the building department. The applicant shall label all slope changes required at the mini | 01:48:23 | |
| golf course for ADA requirements. That's just an additional ADA specification. Fencing within the building shall be reduced to 42 | 01:48:29 | |
| inches in height. | 01:48:36 | |
| I didn't mention this, but my pose at the mini golf course shall not exceed 28 in height and shall meet all of their zoning code | 01:48:43 | |
| lighting requirements. | 01:48:47 | |
| And then the applicant pays an outstanding fees and makes some revenue corrections. The applicant is subject to accuracy and local | 01:48:53 | |
| laws. | 01:48:56 | |
| Could you change the fencing one to just be the work with staff to be compliant on fencing? Yes, instead of a specific 42 inch. | 01:49:01 | |
| Stuff. | 01:49:11 | |
| I got it, it's cool. Do I have a motion then? | 01:49:15 | |
| Yeah, I can make a motion. | 01:49:20 | |
| I need to approve the minor site plan amendment as requested. | 01:49:22 | |
| In this case by Carla Mata with 50 Mil LLC with the proposed conditions read by staff. | 01:49:29 | |
| Do I have a second? I second all in favor? | 01:49:35 | |
| All right, cool. | 01:49:38 | |
| OK. Thank you. | 01:49:42 | |
| Excited to see it done. | 01:49:44 | |
| Yeah. All right. Moving on to work session and moderate income housing plan update with ****** City General plan, OK. | 01:49:46 | |
| I'm on this one as well. | 01:49:55 | |
| Whoops, that. | 01:50:00 | |
| Sorry before before we get into this, could we move to 6.3 and then come back to it? | 01:50:03 | |
| Just so that we don't have to keep them here. | 01:50:11 | |
| We're going to move to 6.3. It's already been a long meeting. I feel for you guys. So. So 6.3 blocks 5 and 6 of Vineyard Station. | 01:50:15 | |
| Definitely you can go to the work. We have a presentation to show that accompanies. | 01:50:28 | |
| Yeah. So this will just be primarily a presentation from from the applicant and then staff is in our during our review process. So | 01:50:35 | |
| most likely we know what these kind of larger projects that the Planning Commission prefers to have like a work session on them | 01:50:41 | |
| prior to a decision type meeting. So that that's what this is. | 01:50:48 | |
| Grant me access to that. | 01:50:54 | |
| Thanks. | 01:50:57 | |
| You. | 01:51:07 | |
| Just one Krista High 5. | 01:51:07 | |
| Let's see, I could reload and see. | 01:51:13 | |
| There we go. | 01:51:17 | |
| OK, now just tell me when you're ready to move. | 01:51:20 | |
| So these are our first two blocks. We'll Scroll down and just kind of show you where it is. We're going to bring up your | 01:51:23 | |
| architectural review, landscaping, some renderings. Landscape is still a little preliminary. We've talked to staff a lot about the | 01:51:28 | |
| landscaping. | 01:51:32 | |
| We'd like to stage when the landscaping plan gets final approval because we really want to tie especially these blocks that are | 01:51:38 | |
| right next to the promenade. We're working with the landscape architects to make sure that we're not duplicating things in both, | 01:51:43 | |
| and it's kind of working together. | 01:51:49 | |
| Staff, I think has been open to that idea with some specific I think we're working on something. | 01:51:56 | |
| Timelines of how that'll work. We're still discussing a little bit of that, but it is such a different side. I think everyone will | 01:52:02 | |
| understand as you look at this, it's really important and we want to spend a lot of time on the landscaping because it's so | 01:52:07 | |
| integral that it all intertwines and goes well together. This isn't just like build the Dairy Queen and making sure you've got a | 01:52:13 | |
| few shrubs and what you need and the through drive through works. I think you'll see in this that the Paseos, the courtyards, | 01:52:18 | |
| everything is so important. | 01:52:24 | |
| To get right, we want this to be, and I think we've reiterated this and you're probably going to hear this forever, but we want | 01:52:31 | |
| this to be the most pedestrian friendly place in Utah. | 01:52:35 | |
| For cyclists, cars still need to obviously work in the site, parking still needs to work, as everyone knows, but we want this to | 01:52:41 | |
| be a place where. | 01:52:45 | |
| Everywhere else is kind of designed around the car and this is a community that should hopefully be designed around people and all | 01:52:50 | |
| these other elements will work. I got hit my car yesterday on the bike, so it's real fresh on my mind. So I'm even more anxious to | 01:52:58 | |
| make sure that this that this works. I don't think the concussion was very bad, but things go off track. | 01:53:05 | |
| So we can start spinning through this bit here and I'll be brief and then any questions you have. So this is the project area. | 01:53:14 | |
| Philosophy right now our building philosophy is kind of line the park. That's our intent to do first. We're starting away from the | 01:53:23 | |
| train station because we want to make sure we get the train station exactly right with the density and the and the the retail | 01:53:29 | |
| impact that we want there. So we don't want to under build that area now. So that's kind of why we're seeing this start down here. | 01:53:36 | |
| Our next block will be on the exact opposite side of the problem. | 01:53:43 | |
| With the potentially taller, you know, 678 story buildings on the other side, just trying to start finding that part. We're going | 01:53:50 | |
| to work our way up. | 01:53:54 | |
| We are working on the middle block there by the by the train station as well, potential grocery store and some other things that | 01:53:58 | |
| we're going to. | 01:54:03 | |
| That I've mentioned those time to. | 01:54:09 | |
| Hopefully we'll be in here soon to kind of show you some of the things you're working on there, but just. | 01:54:11 | |
| Project area is 5-6 and three we've talked also. So it's going to we're going to serve this part things currently and then go back | 01:54:16 | |
| in and densify that with structured parking and build units on top of the future. So we'll always maintain the minimum requirement | 01:54:24 | |
| of parking. It's just the parking will shift over time. Structured parking as everybody knows is extremely expensive. So our | 01:54:31 | |
| thought is that we can build these other units 1st and then come back in and spend those dollars later. | 01:54:39 | |
| Safety already money saves US money and enables us to build more buildings faster. The site is so large, sometimes you lose the | 01:54:46 | |
| scale of how big this is. We think one of the biggest risks to the project is that we don't build fast enough. So what you're | 01:54:52 | |
| going to see is we're going to be pushing development that, you know, we're probably in a housing recession over the developer. We | 01:54:58 | |
| are in a housing recession, but we're still going to be moving. This is a, you know, 10-15 year building, so you're going to be | 01:55:04 | |
| seeing projects just. | 01:55:10 | |
| No matter what the market. So that's the project area if you want to go to the next slide here. | 01:55:18 | |
| Oh, sorry, next slide. | 01:55:26 | |
| Friends. So this is kind of site as is. | 01:55:29 | |
| A few months ago, so, you know, a little more advanced than this CDP. | 01:55:33 | |
| Silhouette Up in the left corner there is a point. | 01:55:37 | |
| So there's blocks five and six that we're doing. So that's the it's in the downtown excuse area. | 01:55:45 | |
| So here's the here's the plan. The permanent landscaping, the pista is obviously in the buildings themselves. Parking lots are all | 01:55:53 | |
| temporary parking lots that will come back to you later. And that's fine. Build on top of. | 01:55:59 | |
| Block 5. | 01:56:07 | |
| That's a little more advanced look. So that's the Paseo. You know, you see all these Paseos in the world that's going to be very, | 01:56:10 | |
| very pedestrian friendly. | 01:56:13 | |
| No cars at all in there. | 01:56:17 | |
| And then the courtyard, so we think the three kind of open space elements in your overall community that are going to be really | 01:56:21 | |
| important is obviously Geneva Park and the true problem out there is and the lake, those are kind of the more public areas. These | 01:56:28 | |
| courtyards are really, really important every year, right, Because they're going to have a lot of different elements that will act | 01:56:34 | |
| in the neighborhood community and these are obviously the corridors just. | 01:56:41 | |
| The paseo is this. | 01:56:48 | |
| So everyone can have that pedestrian. | 01:56:52 | |
| The courtyards will be gated. | 01:56:55 | |
| Most of their stuff will be open, but most of those will be private for. | 01:56:59 | |
| But anyone that lives in the community can go in probably all of the different courtyards, and we're gonna have different | 01:57:03 | |
| experiences and watch the balls out, some other things than others. | 01:57:07 | |
| Kind of creating this overall neighborhood here. | 01:57:13 | |
| So here's our building elevations. | 01:57:18 | |
| Lots of Rick you can see here. I think there's a rendering maybe below these. | 01:57:22 | |
| Yeah, there you go. So I mean. | 01:57:32 | |
| Much different architecture than you see anywhere in Utah. | 01:57:35 | |
| We're really excited to create a place that has never been built before in Utah and we think that. | 01:57:39 | |
| You know the restart here to justify building a building like this here today. We think long term as we create this sense of place | 01:57:45 | |
| that will be somewhere where. | 01:57:50 | |
| People will want to live. | 01:57:56 | |
| This is all rentals or is any of this condos? This project here is rentals. There will definitely be. | 01:58:01 | |
| So how did you get an idea of looking field of the community? | 01:58:17 | |
| Is that the auto court? What that little drive right there, the gate, OK. | 01:58:23 | |
| So that goes into the auto port. We've got those apartments here, dude. He's probably a lot better than this. | 01:58:28 | |
| Probably wondering why he's not doing. | 01:58:33 | |
| So here's the Paseo. As you're going into the Paseo, it's narrowed down. It works for the fire. We had to work with fire pretty | 01:58:39 | |
| closely to make sure they could get their clearances to get far enough in. | 01:58:45 | |
| Before it became not a driveable area. So there may be some volumes here, but at the opening here to make sure no one's driving | 01:58:51 | |
| again, but. | 01:58:55 | |
| You know, just like, I don't know if you guys saw these at the train station grand opening. | 01:59:01 | |
| And one of the basic measures that we need to do is. | 01:59:05 | |
| You have to build these things around rails, transit stations, etc. But the third component is something I haven't really thought | 01:59:08 | |
| of much before. But you have to have complete neighborhoods in these areas. And that's what we're trying to do here so that we can | 01:59:13 | |
| live workforce to play, do everything you want to in the community and all the trails that you have down here S tie into it. It's | 01:59:19 | |
| just. | 01:59:24 | |
| Bronson and just since we're on this or I'm sorry, Nate when Bronson presented to staff. | 01:59:32 | |
| He explained kind of the purpose of some of the landscaping elements to help provide more of a sense of privacy and stuff like I | 01:59:40 | |
| don't know if you want to be share that with the plan was pretty good so. | 01:59:44 | |
| Jeff's also key things is. | 01:59:50 | |
| You want people outside of their houses, but very rarely is it just wide open. And that's for a real, real extrovert that just | 01:59:53 | |
| wants to stand outside and stay with knock to anyone that they don't really know. Most people like to be in the public realm that | 02:00:00 | |
| have a little feeling of privacy. So you'll see some of the landscaping elements are being elevated up above the Paseo. That's | 02:00:07 | |
| encouraging people coming out of their units and being out on the Paseo without actually standing down in the Paseo. | 02:00:14 | |
| And the more people that come outside of their units, the more comfortable it is to walk inside the sale. Just as humans, we feel | 02:00:21 | |
| a lot more safe. The more people that are around, the safer you feel usually. So that's the intent of some of those landscaping | 02:00:27 | |
| elements towards the place. | 02:00:32 | |
| And why it always a lot was temperatures you'll see there that's to encourage people to. | 02:00:40 | |
| Come out on their on their balconies. | 02:00:45 | |
| And we'll obviously get in and workout with this once they've done their review and we're actually talking about specific things | 02:00:56 | |
| today, which is kind of a. | 02:00:59 | |
| Showing you what what the plan is and see if you have any questions. | 02:01:03 | |
| So that that kind of shows the different elements of the courtyards. | 02:01:08 | |
| So one of those will be parking like you see in European areas. | 02:01:14 | |
| Very simple, not a lot in there besides, so that's also during the day to allow kids to be there playing with, you know that. | 02:01:19 | |
| Have some hardscaping and some privacy area for kids to go on recruiting. | 02:01:25 | |
| The hearth area up there is going to be a lot a lot simpler and a lot calmer. | 02:01:30 | |
| The backyard is a little more active in the highest, the most active. | 02:01:35 | |
| With more play features for children, et cetera, as to give every, you know, anyone that lives in this community a little bit of a | 02:01:40 | |
| different vibe and feeling in each one. So if you're a little more private. | 02:01:45 | |
| Maybe a professional, you'll have kids. Maybe you're in the heart. | 02:01:51 | |
| Got kids? Maybe you're over on the hive. And if you want to go in between your backyard? | 02:01:55 | |
| Yeah, the Bike Blvd. concept. | 02:02:02 | |
| I think that's some of that that we talked a little bit about another proposal, so. | 02:02:07 | |
| Yeah. | 02:02:12 | |
| The bike Blvd. is just in the in the code the street sections. | 02:02:16 | |
| The bikeway and so this will have bike lanes that basically create an interior loop of bike lanes. | 02:02:23 | |
| Around the downtown. | 02:02:31 | |
| If you keep going through a couple more of these. | 02:02:34 | |
| We've got some sections of what those look like. | 02:02:38 | |
| His makeup. | 02:02:42 | |
| How much is give you an idea of? | 02:02:43 | |
| And like like we said, I don't want anyone to get too fixated on landscaping that because that is the one thing that we're still | 02:02:47 | |
| working on as we're designing the promenade area as well. We want to make sure these all tied together with the sales and the | 02:02:52 | |
| courtyards in the surrounding areas so that we're not replicating things or. | 02:02:57 | |
| But this is kind of a. | 02:03:05 | |
| Survive currently of these areas. | 02:03:08 | |
| So you said it's a temporary parking lot because we don't use the RDA funds for the multi level parking structures. Yeah, yeah, | 02:03:15 | |
| yeah. We will come back in and there will be structured parking. It's just trying to create a tax base. | 02:03:23 | |
| That then has the ability to start paying back those RDA dollars and we have, we have plenty of graphs so we can surface part | 02:03:32 | |
| things for a while while we continue it to shape out the spaces and then we'll come back in. | 02:03:37 | |
| But the temporary parking, so I'm assuming I'll will account for how much parking is needed and. | 02:04:14 | |
| Also, I think one of the differences of a community like this versus what we're seeing in the other communities and I think the | 02:04:23 | |
| residents will start to see this as we develop. | 02:04:27 | |
| The problem with parking in the other areas in the city right now is not a function of April parking, it's a function of. | 02:04:33 | |
| Too many people living in units and over parking the areas that were designed that. | 02:04:40 | |
| I mean every unit you have. | 02:04:45 | |
| Has garages for the most part or ample guest parking. It's when you get 2345 cars per unit and. | 02:04:48 | |
| You know you can never. | 02:04:57 | |
| Never have enough parking, That's the way things go. So parking here will be very monitored and enforced for residents so that so | 02:04:59 | |
| that that doesn't become an issue. | 02:05:04 | |
| Is that is that through just the rental contract? | 02:05:09 | |
| It's in the code as well. So when we rewrote the code, that was one of the things that would that we developers were, you know, | 02:05:13 | |
| what worked really well with Hassan is that once you hit the threshold of 500 units, then it allows us to to have them hire a | 02:05:20 | |
| parking consultant who would then analyze the current parking conditions. And that would be a report submitted to myself and to | 02:05:27 | |
| Nassim. And then we would be able to analyze it and then provides the City Council the ability. | 02:05:34 | |
| To to up the parking requirements if you know if if it's shown. | 02:05:41 | |
| On this site that that it's it's under park and so it definitely puts them it's in their best interest being the managers and and | 02:05:47 | |
| you know, the management company to be able to to try and manage the the the parking at a really high level. | 02:05:54 | |
| So. | 02:06:02 | |
| Sorry, I should have probably not jumped up and started talking to. | 02:06:05 | |
| One of the things I just wanted to touch basically as we're talking about all these spaces, which is something that we've done a | 02:06:10 | |
| lot of projects and this is super unique where we're designing this project to be a project and we're not. We're attaching on to | 02:06:16 | |
| and building a community around. So creating these open public spaces where everything in the future is also going to have more | 02:06:22 | |
| parks, more open public spaces, more ways for people with access, kind of continuing diverse set of communities and central | 02:06:27 | |
| community. | 02:06:33 | |
| When it comes to things like the parking and you're saying? | 02:06:40 | |
| You know, you're worried about how the parking is going to be used. We are too because we actually have to go and build in those | 02:06:42 | |
| those parking lot. | 02:06:45 | |
| Future and make sure that our communities. | 02:06:49 | |
| Managing that parking appropriately, not burning kind of our existing community or future about this stuff. | 02:06:51 | |
| The other kind of fun thing here, which is just we've never done before, is. | 02:06:57 | |
| Everything, everything you see on all these plants, the ground floor units don't have always behind them. So in these when these | 02:07:01 | |
| residents are stepping out with them now taking their trash out, going to do anything, they're not walking through a hallway to go | 02:07:07 | |
| to the algorithm or trash room and actually have to walk out to the sidewalk. | 02:07:12 | |
| All of the front doors, everywhere, lighting all of these days, even in the courtyards or the front doors, 40 minutes. | 02:07:18 | |
| So we think this is a really good way to bring people out into these open spaces, attacking them, using get to know the papers, | 02:07:25 | |
| see people walking. I think you'll see it when this projects open and actually be lived in. This is probably one of the more | 02:07:31 | |
| pedestrian and you know, they're just going to be people in and out of the building at all different sites. | 02:07:36 | |
| It's going to be really very important, so. | 02:07:43 | |
| I think as we're looking at a lot of nice amenities that are lined by those kinds of units, it's a lot of questions. OK, well, how | 02:07:46 | |
| loud can this be? Because these are people's front doors that are directly hooked and there's not a private space between that | 02:07:51 | |
| front door and one person. These other uses are so. | 02:07:56 | |
| Reasons why we need to make sure the last evening is automatic is. | 02:08:01 | |
| You know, we really wanted to look at each one of these kind of situations and make sure that we have the right type of firm, the | 02:08:06 | |
| right type of trees or or whatever that those barriers are to still feel the part of the community because they're building the | 02:08:10 | |
| separation and then. | 02:08:14 | |
| You know, so it is a work in process, but it's really, really exciting project and we're. | 02:08:18 | |
| Taking a lot of risk on some of these types of units, different ways of living and different ways of access. And this auto parts a | 02:08:24 | |
| great example. Everybody living in this building can go driving the artwork, pick something out or drop it out for a second while | 02:08:29 | |
| they run groceries up to the floor. | 02:08:34 | |
| You know. | 02:08:40 | |
| Very different kind of amenity that's just not seen before, so. | 02:08:46 | |
| I don't want to labor too much, but it's it's a really exciting project with a lot of a lot of new, new and different kind of | 02:08:51 | |
| innovative things that are coming at it. | 02:08:54 | |
| At the same time, we need to get going and get in construction and start doing it. So when we're talking about deferring plans or | 02:08:59 | |
| as things are going to be continuing to be submitted to millions, just in the effort to try and get these things as right as we | 02:09:04 | |
| can. That's also been in the construction and moving on to the next project and coming up with the next ideas of how we can make | 02:09:09 | |
| this community better. | 02:09:14 | |
| And I will say to people that are still commenting on density and parking. | 02:09:20 | |
| They can call our office and even ask for me. So you can comment there and say because genuinely like I'd love to talk. I mean, I | 02:09:25 | |
| can go for hours now because that's my life. I got three kids and one of them is Vineyard. And it's just going to be so unique. I | 02:09:33 | |
| I'd love to show people this because the vision of what people usually have in Utah of what density is, is not good. And so that's | 02:09:40 | |
| why they're pushing back on some of these things. And I think if they see. | 02:09:47 | |
| The overall vision of what we're trying to do, it has to work like Max's. I mean, we're here for the long haul. This isn't just | 02:09:55 | |
| like that. We're going to lease this thing up and sell it. We're going to own this thing forever. | 02:10:00 | |
| And so we have to make sure parts are right, parking right. | 02:10:05 | |
| You know, accessing analysis, it's really, really important to us to get this right. | 02:10:09 | |
| With you, I mean, I think our vision, that's one thing we try to do in all of our agreements. Anything we've ever done in the city | 02:10:14 | |
| has tried to align our interest with yours and the residents so that it is an incredible place to live. No matter where you live | 02:10:20 | |
| in the state, whether you live on a $5,000,000 house on the lake or you live in a studio apartment in downtown. Like we want it to | 02:10:26 | |
| be incredible for everyone and everyone in between them. So I just like a plantarian, really kind of applaud. | 02:10:32 | |
| Flagborough for what, what they're doing with this first phase of kind of taking some, some risks and trying some unique things | 02:10:40 | |
| because it'll be interesting to see how some of these amenities work. And these aren't things that you're you're typically going | 02:10:45 | |
| to see. And I, I haven't really heard of that anywhere in Utah and it'll be neat to see that in phase one. | 02:10:51 | |
| And you know, I'm sure if it's successful, that's something that you could duplicate throughout the project. | 02:10:57 | |
| And we're going to, we're going to, I think we've been so methodical that people are going to actually prefer this over other ways | 02:11:03 | |
| of living and. | 02:11:06 | |
| She's gonna be a healthier. | 02:11:11 | |
| I've seen you guys expect to start putting in kinds of retail and stuff like that. | 02:11:15 | |
| We're talking with retailers right now, so we'll hope to have at least some larger retail uses in the next, probably 30 to 45. | 02:11:21 | |
| Cool. | 02:11:33 | |
| You know when you're doing those. | 02:11:38 | |
| There's a lot of different types of users, different times a day that they use in the space you're doing the. | 02:11:44 | |
| Still the same amount of space, and so it just takes a little bit more time to really get those walks right. | 02:11:53 | |
| And really want to rush in that want to make sure that downtown is done really well. That said, we've got to get some of these | 02:11:58 | |
| current tenants. We're really working on going. So we are rushing as quickly, as quickly as probably nothing is enjoying how much | 02:12:04 | |
| better working on this right now. But I think our downtown project is going to be really, really cool. But at the same time, each | 02:12:10 | |
| of these phases. So if you give me the plans here at the corner of the Ink building is actually designed for long term. | 02:12:16 | |
| As a pre strap as ventilation room, it's as temple and hiding clear to be a nice, nice restaurant has outdoor seating spaces, but | 02:12:24 | |
| there's really not market for it now. And so in this phase we'll we'll use that for a period of time. So we'll go down and it'll | 02:12:30 | |
| be kind of an active retail looking space for a period of time. | 02:12:37 | |
| But as we build out more amenities in future, that's perfect. It's built as retailer. We paid the extra money to make sure it has | 02:12:44 | |
| all the requirements. | 02:12:47 | |
| Work as a restaurant on the park, right on the park. | 02:12:52 | |
| Come back, you know, five years from now and have these quarters restaurants. | 02:13:25 | |
| Cool. Yeah, that's awesome. It's. | 02:13:37 | |
| Cool to hear about how you're phasing it but putting it all in at the same time it's. | 02:13:39 | |
| That's cool. | 02:13:46 | |
| These are the street sections they were kind of talking about on so you can keep going. | 02:13:53 | |
| Those kind of bikeway going up the promenade. So this is the promenade, you're going to be going up over the overpass. | 02:13:57 | |
| Just past these buildings. | 02:14:07 | |
| There's a little bit down on the clock. | 02:14:10 | |
| Now this is the side street, so the bikeway. | 02:14:15 | |
| The bike lane is elevated up on the sidewalk level. | 02:14:19 | |
| Then that was going down into the paseo. | 02:14:28 | |
| So there are sections that are gated off. | 02:14:39 | |
| In the potatoes or OK, Just off of them, OK. | 02:14:42 | |
| There's front door, there's front door here to do. So one of the things we're trying to manage is privacy of these units. And this | 02:14:47 | |
| is very, you know, like you're going to have a lot. | 02:14:51 | |
| Yeah, everyone has to access like their bedroom windows are right here off the Paseo. So trying to manage that a little bit, but | 02:14:57 | |
| there are some people that prefer some of that activity. I mean there are cities all over the world that have that. | 02:15:03 | |
| Here the courtyards are a little more private than that, So those will be the ones that are gated so that people can feel more | 02:15:10 | |
| comfortable leaving bikes outside there. And some of these other kind of public but private elements that there's that they want | 02:15:17 | |
| to leave outside but wouldn't feel comfortable for example, just leaving them with the staff for anyone to want so. | 02:15:23 | |
| It will be open for all future phases in theory. So here is to continue to build. When you have a friend that's having a dinner | 02:15:31 | |
| party or something out of one of those courtyards and pull together a bunch of tables, people, anybody can kind of walk over and | 02:15:36 | |
| use their dog and get through the gates. | 02:15:41 | |
| So we'll work on access controls and how we're going to handle all this stuff down the line and the ideas to try and. | 02:15:46 | |
| 1st. | 02:15:52 | |
| We have problems, we have to address them. | 02:15:55 | |
| That's that's the first design goal is to really try and. | 02:15:58 | |
| Community office some reasons why even though there's kind of an island of a project on park really wanted to give the sale | 02:16:01 | |
| started just so that people could understand what it is that we're creating. You know, this is going to be connected to additional | 02:16:07 | |
| Paseos and experiences to grow. | 02:16:13 | |
| Cool. | 02:16:20 | |
| So this is going into. | 02:16:22 | |
| Figure 8. Building is block 6. | 02:16:25 | |
| So. | 02:16:28 | |
| Sorry. | 02:16:30 | |
| Thanks, Mr. Grandma, When you're asking about the the temporary parking that's kind of received, I can decide. | 02:16:34 | |
| And then maybe go back one slide, right? | 02:16:40 | |
| That's kind of the temporary parking fitness that we're talking about, but but sufficient to need to code them. So we're not | 02:16:43 | |
| asking for any reduction of any parking. It's just. | 02:16:48 | |
| The way the parking is going to be, their dials surface versus structure. | 02:16:53 | |
| Of the entire future, come back from construction. | 02:16:58 | |
| Buildings on top. | 02:17:02 | |
| Which will be really cool because we really want you know, you'll have these are four story buildings and if you put. | 02:17:03 | |
| Six story buildings on top of two or three decks of parking lot. 7 or 8 story buildings may be taller behind these buildings, | 02:17:11 | |
| looking down over these buildings into the park. | 02:17:16 | |
| Could pass for a really cool. | 02:17:23 | |
| Overall experience in the park. | 02:17:25 | |
| One of Jeff specs big things is, you know, I talked a little bit briefly. | 02:17:28 | |
| Feeling safe the more people that are there. One of his other big things is you feel safe as you're enclosed, but it can't feel | 02:17:34 | |
| too enclosed because then if you're like in a Canyon. So there's like proportions of how light things are. So remember when we | 02:17:40 | |
| went through the process of doing the problem, not itself and how wide it was? A lot of the building heights along the park are | 02:17:47 | |
| designed after those elements to make people that are inside the park and inside the sales feel more safe. | 02:17:54 | |
| In the pedestrian. | 02:18:01 | |
| I think it's one more kind of thing we're trying to play with in these blocks is really creating that urban feel. It really feels | 02:18:03 | |
| like multiple buildings as you're going to be walking down complete changes of materials. They're not just, you know, you'll see | 02:18:08 | |
| changes in materials, other apartment buildings, but very rarely do people go through the added cost of breaking up the roof line. | 02:18:12 | |
| Big list and so. | 02:18:17 | |
| The corner of our building will appear a little bit taller than that. Top floor is actually a little bit taller. So it kind of has | 02:18:22 | |
| that red brick building goes like you. | 02:18:26 | |
| It's almost a separate building. You kind of see the retail on the ground floor of that, that building where that space would be. | 02:18:29 | |
| And then if you go back to that previous page real quick. | 02:18:36 | |
| So just continuations of all those facades, you want to kind of keep these courtyards as bright and clean as possible so that the | 02:19:10 | |
| all of the focus is what's happening down well, not necessarily looking out people. | 02:19:16 | |
| Such as lighter and brighter and center. | 02:19:22 | |
| It's just a, it's a really cool project and the fun part about this is all the work that we're doing to try and plan around. OK, | 02:19:28 | |
| so the next days as this project comes in, where did the next level of menus go? | 02:19:33 | |
| How do you park it? | 02:19:38 | |
| Start piercing together. I think it's going to be exciting for everybody to see. So that's the that's the kind of more of the | 02:19:42 | |
| heart area, the more private. | 02:19:47 | |
| Quiet courtyard, kind of like the outdoor coffee shop or outdoor, you know, place that you're going to go out and sit down, sit on | 02:19:54 | |
| the laptop, maybe you pull the tables together and have a, you know, a little dinner, dinner party kind of thing. | 02:20:00 | |
| But it's really meant to be less of like a play space, you know, fire and what we're kind of doing every night, lighting. | 02:20:08 | |
| Then the backyard has more of those play elements, not quite as active as the Hive, but it's probably a little too urban still. | 02:20:17 | |
| We're still working on how all this stuff comes together. And so they'll get too fixated on it, but the idea is this is supposed | 02:20:23 | |
| to be a backyard. It's not too much overdone, but there's grilling elements, there's grass fields, there's places for people to | 02:20:29 | |
| play, there's places to sit down and, you know, do something, but it's not necessarily as kind of. | 02:20:36 | |
| Telling you what you're supposed to do in that space when you're. | 02:20:43 | |
| You kind of use it for what it is. | 02:20:46 | |
| This is the This is the road that actually wraps around the grave building. | 02:20:51 | |
| This road will have vehicular access. We need that to be able to drive cars on this, to manage future access to parking | 02:20:55 | |
| structures. But it's designed for pedestrian first by far. So the way the trees are oriented, the paving, the lighting, everything | 02:21:01 | |
| will be telling drivers they need to slow down because it's going to be tighter, it's going to feel different, probably won't have | 02:21:07 | |
| followers there. It's just an older picture. But the idea is that again, even though. | 02:21:14 | |
| The temporary parking lots are temporary. This road, these road conditions are not temporary. So we're trying to make our, you | 02:21:21 | |
| know. | 02:21:23 | |
| You get those right? Can we go back to that one fish? Sorry, this one. | 02:21:27 | |
| Parking. Yeah, this shows. | 02:21:41 | |
| No. | 02:21:44 | |
| Yeah. | 02:21:46 | |
| Not try to sneak that, you know, that's but nothing even passed us tonight. So yeah, there's the minimum parking. We need it. | 02:21:48 | |
| That's what we have. | 02:21:52 | |
| So that's all the time. | 02:22:00 | |
| Edgewater and the Preserve, and so this will hopefully be able to model more after those professionally managed. | 02:22:34 | |
| Developments rather than the owner occupied ones. | 02:22:43 | |
| Last thing I'll say and then ask questions or whatever is happening, but I just wanted to tell you all. Thank you. We've been down | 02:22:48 | |
| here for a long time. | 02:22:53 | |
| And we didn't know you at first. You didn't know us. It's taking a lot of trust. I think you gave some trust in that we hadn't | 02:22:58 | |
| heard and. | 02:23:01 | |
| You know, vice versa, not vice versa. | 02:23:05 | |
| But I think like, you know, we had to get. | 02:23:12 | |
| We have to really get to know each other and I hope that what you're seeing here is the vision of it's been a lot of years of | 02:23:17 | |
| vision and there's been a lot of concern about what will happen downtown. We'll build out how, you know, this higher end | 02:23:24 | |
| pedestrian experience that everybody's wanted for so long. We spent a lot of time on this first phase. It's, you know, certainly | 02:23:31 | |
| as it gets done, there might be a thing or two of which we have to meet. But the good news is we'll be able to kind of. | 02:23:38 | |
| Hone in on those things and fix them. Hopefully there's not too many because we've spent a lot of time and a lot of money on some | 02:23:46 | |
| of the best architects and land planners and urban designers in the world and walkability experts. | 02:23:51 | |
| I just want to say thanks like this is been a lot of years. It's been a pleasure working with all of you. | 02:23:57 | |
| You know, sometimes we disagree and sometimes we still probably disagree more in the future, but I just wanted to tell you thanks | 02:24:04 | |
| for working with us and trusting us to hopefully bring some of the city that all the residents at some point will be dropped. I | 02:24:09 | |
| understand we're going to have to still earn some trust with a lot of people, but hopefully we're building a community at some | 02:24:14 | |
| point. They'll even go down to this section. | 02:24:19 | |
| So a question I have. | 02:24:27 | |
| And Nathan Brunson, it's it's about trust. | 02:24:30 | |
| And what I thought were promises made in the past that maybe I don't see currently. | 02:24:33 | |
| I don't see anything relating to the history or heritage of Vineyard and I had thought that along the Paseo especially, we were | 02:24:39 | |
| going to make a big effort to try to celebrate and remember the heritage of Vineyard. | 02:24:45 | |
| And whether it was in the park benches or in the lighting poles or the trash cans or vineyards growing and I'm, I'm hoping that we | 02:24:51 | |
| haven't lost that. I just don't see that in what you've presented tonight along with Paseo. | 02:24:59 | |
| Yeah. So maybe 11 clarification. So when we're there's kind of Brian, if you can maybe go back to one of the slides that kind of | 02:25:07 | |
| shows an overall picture. | 02:25:12 | |
| There's kind of three different open space types. There's. | 02:25:18 | |
| The primary one is the Lake Promenade. And Tim, I think that's where you and I have talked about. | 02:25:22 | |
| Historical references in the Promenade. | 02:25:28 | |
| There's definitely opportunities in the so that the sales are kind of the next step down. These are those pedestrian connections. | 02:25:32 | |
| They're they're public, it's open space. And then the third are these courtyards. And I think there's definitely opportunities in | 02:25:40 | |
| those to capture some of the history. | 02:25:45 | |
| Whether it's, you know, more subtle. | 02:25:51 | |
| Or it could be. | 02:25:54 | |
| Maybe not as subtle and there's maybe. | 02:25:57 | |
| Story but I think what you and I were talking about is along the promenade which these plans are, we haven't go into the | 02:26:02 | |
| promenade, we are working on that but. | 02:26:07 | |
| These So there's two site applications, site plan applications. There's one for block 5 and block sticks. And we will be breaking | 02:26:14 | |
| one in the lake promenade, that open space that connects the train station to the lake. Yeah, that's when I've had the most | 02:26:21 | |
| interest in not so much in the courtyards and things, but where the public will be accessing the train and the lake and walking by | 02:26:27 | |
| and seeing and sitting on the benches or throwing their trash in the trash can or whatever. | 02:26:34 | |
| I just like to see us be able to have a historical representation there. | 02:26:42 | |
| So that those those are not been locked over. Then you still have my trust. Don't don't break it. | 02:26:46 | |
| I think it's great, and honestly I was skeptical in the beginning. I've been here since all of it pretty much. But the more as | 02:26:55 | |
| time goes on and the more plans keep coming forward and stuff, the more excited I am about it. I think it's going to be awesome. | 02:27:06 | |
| And yeah, I'm excited to see more stuff and. | 02:27:18 | |
| I think it's great. | 02:27:21 | |
| I've been saying for the last couple of years that I'm. | 02:27:25 | |
| Like I'm staying in Vineyard to see the Stanton through. | 02:27:28 | |
| And then as soon as the developer breaks my heart, I got to move. But I mean, so far, so far so good. So. | 02:27:33 | |
| That was my line. | 02:27:42 | |
| Cool. | 02:27:46 | |
| Correlation and causation mean that. | 02:27:51 | |
| Far as she moves into your project, you did a really good job. I mean that's my my hope is to want to live there so. | 02:27:54 | |
| Thank you guys so much. | 02:28:02 | |
| Look forward to it. Yeah, thanks. | 02:28:08 | |
| It's not really a public comment. I'm sorry. Yeah. Yeah, you can. You can talk to him out there. | 02:28:13 | |
| Yeah. | 02:28:25 | |
| For the record, we got to download the slide and put it into the folder, so. | 02:28:28 | |
| OK, great. Yeah, I was gonna ask if those will be publicly available and what they shared. Yeah, they they they'll they'll be in | 02:28:35 | |
| like the folder. So someone does a grammar request, but what, what, what we'll do is we probably would whatever like we'll, we'll | 02:28:42 | |
| get the official one as part of the staff report and that that we made available to the publisher website. | 02:28:48 | |
| So the comment I was going to make is I was going to suggest that we postpone the discussion of the work session of 6.1 and 6.2 | 02:28:58 | |
| until next meeting. The night has been awfully long. I'm tired and I'm just throwing that out. I'm old, so. | 02:29:07 | |
| It's going to be fairly simple. We can modify it obviously later. It's living breathing document, but we, we do need to have it, | 02:29:47 | |
| you know, approved and so we can report 100%. So, so would our next meeting be the right time? Would that be the first Wednesday | 02:29:53 | |
| of September? Yeah, most likely we'll do on September 7th. We'll we'll do the public hearing for the moderate income housing | 02:29:59 | |
| element. | 02:30:05 | |
| That the heritage element can take longer. We, we, we can do full because I know you guys want to do more public involvement in | 02:30:12 | |
| that section. | 02:30:15 | |
| And so we'll take a little longer on that one to get the public involved, get the heritage technician more involved and then, but | 02:30:18 | |
| at least on the 7th, we'll do the public hearing for the moderate income housing to meet the deadlines for the reporting. OK, | 02:30:23 | |
| cool. Well, and I was going to suggest about the heritage portion. | 02:30:28 | |
| What we were going to deny was just talk about the changes. Yeah, we can do a work session over that element, but we'll do the | 02:30:34 | |
| public hearing for the moderate income because there's no reason put it off longer than that. Right. Thank you. Yeah, I'll make a | 02:30:41 | |
| motion to continue item 6.1 and 6.2 in the work session to our next week. Do I have a second? I second that. All in favor, Aye. | 02:30:48 | |
| All right. | 02:30:55 | |
| Commission member reports and ex parte discussion and disclosure or anything? | 02:31:02 | |
| Nothing. | 02:31:07 | |
| Just real quick, if any of you do want to go to the Utah EPA meeting in September, it's the 8th and 9th I believe. Let me know | 02:31:09 | |
| sooner than later and I'll get you a ticket to go. It's in Lehigh with the local 1 and we could do a one day pass as well. So it's | 02:31:14 | |
| Thursday and a Friday, Yeah. Do they have a schedule up yet? There is on the Utah IPA website they have a schedule. The cash can | 02:31:20 | |
| be sent on a link so they can just get it directly. | 02:31:25 | |
| In the next few days and I'll get you that ticket if you want to go. Yeah, we know you're all busy. If, if a couple of you could | 02:31:33 | |
| go, we, we would love to, to be able to, you know, you guys are doing great, but we'd love to just continue the education and | 02:31:37 | |
| stuff. It's, it's going to be a really good conference this year. | 02:31:42 | |
| Great. Just a couple of things. The train station is open and the pathway to the train station under the 800 N is open. So cool. | 02:31:46 | |
| Nothing from staff, nothing else from. | 02:31:52 | |
| Bicycle Advisory Commission meeting at 5:30 and Lise Anderson with PCs in a Rockefeller, kind of where we are with the Corridor | 02:32:00 | |
| plan. The Central Open Space Coral plan is going to tell us about some of the programming that's been considered and some of the | 02:32:07 | |
| next steps and post involvements. So it'd be good if you want to be informed on the plan. | 02:32:13 | |
| Yeah, cool. And that's for the wetland area in the middle of the city. 75 acres. Yeah. | 02:32:20 | |
| Anything else from staff? | 02:32:27 | |
| Yes. | 02:32:29 | |
| OK. | 02:32:31 | |
| I got short hands. | 02:32:36 | |
| So, uh. | 02:32:37 | |
| Reference room. | 02:32:40 | |
| Make the Robinsons. | 02:32:43 | |
| Just a quick update, other than the frontline station being open and, you know, a lot of lots of things coming together. Awesome, | 02:32:47 | |
| awesome efforts from from people that currently from a lot of people, not just again, not just people that like not just not just | 02:32:54 | |
| say staff, but the developers need art was was working through it through the weekend. | 02:33:01 | |
| ETA was working through the weekend and through. | 02:33:09 | |
| Throughout the evening, I would also want to make sure that the that is not something that definitely happens overnight, that | 02:33:12 | |
| happens over years and years of planning, design, engineering and so forth. So definitely our group efforts coming together. So I | 02:33:20 | |
| just want to, you know, emphasize that point that that by no means is that they're small feet and stuff. | 02:33:27 | |
| The other item just offer Plan Commission's situational awareness is a received designs for this traffic signal of 400 N and Main | 02:33:36 | |
| Street late last week. So we're moving forward on that as well as moving forward on that in terms of construction season, putting | 02:33:44 | |
| out the construction kind of based on temperament of the. | 02:33:52 | |
| Contractor economy and so or contract contractors, Yeah, it may be several months before. | 02:34:02 | |
| You know, it gets built depending on availability, contract availability materials. Also, I believe, I don't believe it will stay, | 02:34:10 | |
| but the city received about $830,000 from federal grant in terms of pedestrian enhancements for pedestrian enhancements at Center | 02:34:17 | |
| Street by. | 02:34:25 | |
| Franklin. | 02:34:34 | |
| Can that hawk be repurposed? Not really the one that's already in on that certain parts of it can be repurposed, like for example, | 02:34:36 | |
| the post can be repurposed to the the arm may or may not be. But again, we'll we'll utilize it as best as possible about maybe | 02:34:45 | |
| obstacle course as well now, but by the opposite repurposing as much as possible. | 02:34:53 | |
| Obviously being cost conscious, but a federal grant? | 02:35:03 | |
| Was given for the for crossings for center St. another one for 400 S for to enhance pedestrians crossing as well As for school | 02:35:06 | |
| children as well. The other thing too. That's that's pretty interesting. I know that Lakeside park in Orem that's in the little | 02:35:14 | |
| pocket between Vineyard. The the the drive access is offset from what's that road that has its heads for the South, but there's an | 02:35:21 | |
| offset there and there's been conflicts with left hand turns. | 02:35:28 | |
| So this is an opportunity for us to to align that as an intersection to just create a just more safe environment there, plus | 02:35:36 | |
| provide the pedestrian crossing. And so how how we sold it to Mag with that it's it's connecting to to the front corner station, | 02:35:42 | |
| which it is that makes kind of a. | 02:35:48 | |
| With those two crossings, it helps obviously the children with the schools, but also just people heading up to the downtown and | 02:35:54 | |
| connecting to our park system. So we're pretty excited about creating just another NS, you know, safe route for the city. Cool. | 02:36:02 | |
| Great. All right, that is one more, one more. Yeah, just, you got just, uh, again, just for those that are staying at the Geneva | 02:36:11 | |
| Bridge overpass has a missing piece to it. I'm sure a lot of people have noticed that, but you dot is they're working on emergency | 02:36:19 | |
| repair and plan on starting construction in October for repairs. | 02:36:28 | |
| With plans to complete it in January. Again, that's where their plan is. So it's almost it's a repair with sight unseen to | 02:36:37 | |
| determine if the exact extent. | 02:36:42 | |
| Of what they would have to do to make your repairs. So if it may have, I mean, so when I say January, maybe February, just | 02:36:47 | |
| depending on the extent of that. But D dot is monitoring at constantly is monitoring it to ensure that everything is remaining | 02:36:53 | |
| safe. So if that comes up, you got this over. | 02:36:59 | |
| All right. | 02:37:07 | |
| Nothing else from staff. | 02:37:08 | |
| If not, then we will adjourn the meeting. Thanks everybody. | 02:37:10 | |
| Long one. | 02:37:17 |