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CALL TO ORDER Chair Brady called the meeting to order at 6:01 pm. 1. INVOCATION/INSPIRATIONAL THOUGHTS/PLEDGE OFALLEGIANCE | |
Vice-Chair Bramwell gave a brief explanation of record keeping laws. Commissioner Blackburn gave an invocation. 2. OPEN SESSION | |
ResidentTyler Haroldsen spoke about how the Timpanogos Tribe is represented in the Heritage General Plan. 3. MINUTES REVIEW ANDAPPROVAL3.1 April 20, 20223.2 July 20, 2022 | |
Motion: COMMISSIONER JENKINS MOTIONED TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED. COMMISSIONER GUDMUNDSON SECONDED THE MOTION. ROLL WENT AS FOLLOWS: CHAIR BRADY, VICE-CHAIR BRAMWELL, COMMISSIONER JENKINS, COMMISSIONER BLACKBURN, AND COMMISSIONER GUDMUNDSON VOTED AYE. THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. 4. BUSINESS ITEMS 4.1 Topgolf Minor Site Plan Application- Karla Mata with X Development is seeking approval of a minor site plan application regarding the Topgolf property located within the Yard Plat B subdivision. | |
Motion: COMMISSIONER BLACKBURN MADE A MOTION TO OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 6:10 PM. COMMISSIONER GUDMUNDSON SECONDED THE MOTION. ROLL WENT AS FOLLOWS: CHAIR BRADY, VICE-CHAIR BRAMWELL, COMMISSIONER JENKINS, COMMISSIONER BLACKBURN, AND COMMISSIONER GUDMUNDSON VOTED AYE. THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. | |
Public Works Director, Naseem Ghandour presented the Redevelopment District Agency (RDA) Sewer Impact Fee Schedule. Planning Commissioners discussed. | |
Resident, Don Overson asked if there was facility plan done. Mr. Ghandour responded that there was an existing plan, and this fee was on historical documents, and it’s now being applied. A discussion ensued. | |
Nate Hutchinson, with Flagborough, commented that they are against the RDA Sewer Impact Fee Revision. Mr. Ghandour responded, and a discussion ensued. | |
Mr. Towner commented that he appreciated the hard work to keep the city viable long-term. He stated he thought someone from the RDA should be at the meeting to discuss this. Mr. Ghandour responded, and a discussion ensued. | |
Motion: COMMISSIONER GUDMUNDSON MADE A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT 7:27 PM. COMMISSIONER JENKINS SECONDED THE MOTION. ROLL WENT AS FOLLOWS: CHAIR BRADY, VICE-CHAIR BRAMWELL, COMMISSIONER JENKINS, COMMISSIONER BLACKBURN, AND COMMISSIONER GUDMUNDSON VOTED AYE. THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. | |
Commissioner Jenkins stated that before recommending the ordinance he wanted to review it to make sure there is no undue burden on existing landowner. A discussion ensued. | |
Motion: VICE CHAIR BRAMWELL MADE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND SENDING TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL OF ORDINANCE 2022-14 ADJUSTING THE RDA SERVICE AREA SEWER IMPACT FEE FROM $0 TO $539 PER ERU IN ADDITION TO THE PAST THROUGH RATE AT THE CURRENT TSSD RATE. RECOMMENDATION BASED ON THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PUTTING IN AN IFRASTRUCTURE ARE NOT BEING PAYING DOUBLE. COMMISSIONER JENKINS SECONDED THE MOTION. ROLL WENT AS FOLLOWS: CHAIR BRADY, VICE-CHAIR BRAMWELL, COMMISSIONER JENKINS, COMMISSIONER BLACKBURN, AND COMMISSIONER GUDMUNDSON VOTED AYE. THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. 6. WORKSESSION 6.1 Moderate Income Housing Plan (MIHP) Update within the Vineyard City General Plan – Utah State Code HB462 requires that Vineyard City update its MIHP to reflect and include at least five (5) strategies from code 10-9a-403 ‘General Plan Preparation’. The Commission will analyze what strategies Vineyard City is already in the process of implementing, and which new strategies must be selected and incorporated within the Moderate-Income Housing element of the General Plan. No action may be taken. 6.2 Historical & Cultural Resources General Plan Element- Planner II Briam Amaya Perez will lead a discussion about the Heritage and Cultural Resources section of the General Plan as revised by the Heritage Commission. No action may be taken. | |
City Planner Briam Amaya introduced the Topgolf Minor Site Plan Application Amendment item. | |
Eric Towner, with X Development, stated that they were not amending the zoning code and want to work with staff after approval, prior to obtaining building permits before moving forward. He explained what X Development would be doing with the project. A discussion ensued. | |
Mr. Amaya listed the conditions necessary for approval for the Topgolf Minor Site Plan. | |
Motion:COMMISSIONER JENKINS MOTIONED TO APPROVE THE MINOR SITE PLAN AMENDMENT AS REQUESTED BY KARLA MATA, WITH 50 MIL LLC, WITH THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS READ BY STAFF. COMMISSIONER BLACKBURN SECONDED THE MOTION. ROLL WENT AS FOLLOWS: CHAIR BRADY, VICE-CHAIR BRAMWELL, COMMISSIONER JENKINS, COMMISSIONER BLACKBURN, AND COMMISSIONER GUDMUNDSON VOTED AYE. THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. 5. Public Hearing 5.1 RDA Sewer Impact Fee Revision- The Planning Commission will hold a public hearing regarding the RDA Sewer Impact Fee Schedule. City Engineer, Naseem Ghandour, is seeking a recommendation regarding Ordinance 2022-14 which adjusts the RDA service area Sewer Impact Fee from $0 to $539 per ERU, in addition to the pass-thru rate at the current TSSD rate. | |
Mr. Hutchinson presented site plans for blocks 5 & 6. He shared slides and a discussion ensued. 7. TRAINING SESSION No training was given. 8. COMMISSION MEMBERS’ REPORTS AND EX PARTE DISCUSSIONDISCLOSURE | |
Motion:COMMISSIONER JENKINS MADE A MOTION TO CONTINUE ITEMS 6.1 AND 6.2 IN THE WORK SESSION TO THE NEXT MEETING. VICE CHAIR BRAMWELL SECONDED THE MOTION. ROLL WENT AS FOLLOWS: CHAIR BRADY, VICE-CHAIR BRAMWELL, COMMISSIONER JENKINS, COMMISSIONER BLACKBURN, AND COMMISSIONER GUDMUNDSON VOTED AYE. THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. 6.3 Blocks 5 & 6 of Vineyard Station- Nate Hutchinson will present site plans for Blocks 5 & 6 of Vineyard Station. No action may be taken. | |
Mr. Ghandour reported that the Front Runner station was open and emphasized all the effort it took, and the individuals involved. He also stated that the city received designs for 400 North and Main Street and gave a construction update on projects. 9. Adjournment | |
Chair Brady adjourned the meeting at 8:38 PM. CERTIFIED CORRECT ON: January 22, 2024 CERTIFIED BY:/s/Heidi Jackman Heidi Jackman, Deputy Recorder |
All right, welcome everybody. It is August 17th and this is the Vineyard Planning Commission meeting. It is 6:01 PM and we're | 00:00:05 | |
going to start, Chris is going to give us an. | 00:00:10 | |
It's are we gonna give up? Yeah, I'm gonna, I'm gonna give us a little inspirational lesson. Last time we did property rights. | 00:00:18 | |
Today we're gonna do records management and the importance of records management as part of our Planning Commission duties. So, so | 00:00:23 | |
on the Planning Commission. And this is part of what I do in my state work, but it's pertinent to all governments in the state of | 00:00:28 | |
Utah. | 00:00:34 | |
Accountability and transparency is imperative to everything we do. The public needs to know what are we doing, how are we coming | 00:00:39 | |
to the decisions we come to and ensure that there's not arbitrary and capricious decision making. We are very open with what we do | 00:00:45 | |
and, and also my Commission and employees here, the public reaches out all the time and asks us questions or makes comments or ask | 00:00:51 | |
for guidance. So when it comes to to record management, that's the core of it. That's how the public can hold us accountable by | 00:00:57 | |
submitting grammar requests. | 00:01:03 | |
In the state of Utah. So I was going to go ahead and just read quickly here of what is a record. | 00:01:09 | |
So a record, and this is from grandma, means a book, letter, document, paper, map, planned photograph, film, card, tape recording, | 00:01:15 | |
electronic data or other document, documentary material. Material, regardless of physical form or characteristic, that is | 00:01:22 | |
prepared, owned, received, or retained by a government entity or political subdivision, and where all the information in the | 00:01:30 | |
original is reproducible by photocopy or other mechanical or electronic means. | 00:01:37 | |
So here on the, on the Planning Commission and, and, and just local government in general, most of the data we deal with is, is | 00:01:44 | |
electronic and format. We get emails, we get communications. One thing that we need to keep in mind is we're not the records | 00:01:50 | |
officers of the city of Vineyard City likely has a chief administrator and, and some certified records officer that's gone through | 00:01:56 | |
the state records management certification and they make the determinations of what's a record. So it's important that we don't | 00:02:02 | |
delete. | 00:02:08 | |
Emails, we don't delete documents, we don't delete communications because it's all subject to grammar requests. One of the unique | 00:02:14 | |
things on the Commission here is we don't use a Vineyard e-mail address. We've created Vineyard ask e-mail addresses that are in | 00:02:20 | |
Grandma, but it's important that we properly maintain that and all the records in that too, because that is under the jurisdiction | 00:02:26 | |
of the city of Vineyard. How we set it up and any communications we get there, it's up to the records officer to determine what | 00:02:32 | |
should be deleted and what the. | 00:02:38 | |
Schedules are for that. So, so in essence, make sure we properly maintain records, that there's a history that can be properly | 00:02:44 | |
maintained and archived because while it may not have value now, we don't know if thirty, 4050 years from now, our decisions we | 00:02:50 | |
make today can have impacts on the property rights of those we serve. | 00:02:55 | |
Thank you. Should we have vineyards? | 00:03:03 | |
E-mail addresses like maybe that's a discussion. So I will say speaking professionally, because this is, this is what I do in my | 00:03:07 | |
work every day, the decisions that most of the communications we get are very basic. In general, they come from Vineyard City to | 00:03:13 | |
us. So they have a record already coming from the employees of what they've sent us. But if we do any communications between US | 00:03:19 | |
and others not in Vineyard City where they may automatically be archiving them, that's a valid question to raise if as long as | 00:03:25 | |
we're not. | 00:03:31 | |
Deleting emails, though, we, you know, Vineyard can get access to them, but we just make sure we're properly maintaining the | 00:03:37 | |
records that we have so, so the public can congratulate us and see what's doing. I believe so. What Pam did is she had us. | 00:03:43 | |
Give you guys all a Gmail right account and I think you guys all have the same password, but let's not say that. | 00:03:50 | |
Well, it's supposed to be wide open for everyone. And so that was the idea is that anything that's in there is supposed to be | 00:04:00 | |
super transparent. You're supposed to be able to, I don't know if you guys all have the same password or not, but but Pam is | 00:04:06 | |
supposed to like control that. So if she gets a grammar request, she can grab whatever is in that e-mail and just and just forward | 00:04:12 | |
it over. So I would say, especially with that e-mail, keep it very, you know, professional when you know, I'd keep your. | 00:04:19 | |
The private life stuff out of it. | 00:04:26 | |
I guess I have a question even though this is a thought. Do I save it for later? | 00:04:29 | |
Oh, no, we can. Yeah. This is all on the same line. OK. I'm just wondering, like, who is your e-mail provider service? | 00:04:34 | |
Who is that through? It's we're just running it through. Oh no, the the Planning Commission. So we yeah, city of Vineyard. | 00:04:43 | |
We use Outlook. We still have Outlook. Microsoft. We could consider having a shared mailbox for the Planning Commission. | 00:04:52 | |
And. | 00:05:01 | |
I shouldn't add money or require a life. This is something I can start a conversation with Pam or recorder and then see what, what | 00:05:03 | |
she'd like to do to proceed. I've, I've heard her say something along the lines of we should change how we do the e-mail system. | 00:05:10 | |
And so I'll, I'll reach out and hopefully be able to follow up with you guys next Planning Commission meeting. Yeah, I think | 00:05:17 | |
everyone had in the past emails through like the city outlook that gives like this official city e-mail. | 00:05:24 | |
But I, I can't remember, I think it like cost like some money and as we have so that's why she went to Gmail. | 00:05:32 | |
Yeah, Yeah. What I'm talking about wouldn't require a paid license or anything. So if you want to talk to me about that later, | 00:05:39 | |
please, please do. Yeah, cash if you could. You want to translate that over to Pam. | 00:05:46 | |
All right. And Tim would like to give an invocation as well. | 00:05:55 | |
Our Father in Heaven, we're thankful for this opportunity to be here tonight. We recognize with humility the responsibility placed | 00:06:02 | |
upon our shoulders and. | 00:06:06 | |
We pray that we will have thy direction and guidance and the decisions and conversations that we have tonight. We're grateful for | 00:06:11 | |
this community. | 00:06:15 | |
And for those who have come before that allow us to enjoy living here and working and and being involved in the commerce of the | 00:06:19 | |
community. We're grateful for all of those who have given so much over the years to help to provide the freedoms that we enjoy. We | 00:06:25 | |
pray that we will do all that we can within our parameters to be able to help to maintain those in this way. You humbly pray and | 00:06:31 | |
thank you for. | 00:06:37 | |
In the name of Jesus Christ, Amen. Amen. Thank you, Tim. Thank you, Chris, for that thought. We're moving into an open session. If | 00:06:44 | |
you have any public comments you'd like to make, come to the. | 00:06:49 | |
Podium here. State your name. | 00:06:56 | |
My name is Tyler Hilton. I'm a resident in the. | 00:07:04 | |
I noticed I'm looking through some heritage. | 00:07:08 | |
I noticed that the notice drive here. | 00:07:18 | |
For more than settlers came in, they were not mentioned or not. | 00:07:22 | |
When they were, it was not always terribly favorably. I don't think they're a lot different since then, but as we're kind of | 00:07:28 | |
looking at heritage sites and preserving different buildings, the Timpanogos tribes so instant they're just. | 00:07:34 | |
I think it's Jane County now. I'm on the reservation so I would like to see more. | 00:07:41 | |
At least acknowledging and getting in contact with them, I know. | 00:07:46 | |
Agenda today, there are a couple mentions of working with BYU and working with UVU tickets and historical records and help us with | 00:07:51 | |
that for the heritage side of our planning and I would love to have that added on that list particularly as well. | 00:07:58 | |
Thanks. | 00:08:06 | |
All right, if there are no more public comments, we'll move into the minutes for review and approval. | 00:08:10 | |
So I have a motion on that. | 00:08:16 | |
Yeah, I'll make a motion. I make a motion to approve the minutes that were presented for April 20th and July 20th. | 00:08:22 | |
Do I have a second a second all in favor? Aye, All right. Moving into a business item top golf miner site plan application. | 00:08:31 | |
So that one we're just going to push into the applicant is here. They just kind of love the traffic. So we'll we'll go with | 00:08:39 | |
Naseems items. We will push that back on the agenda and move into public hearing the RDA sewer impact fee revision. Do I have a | 00:08:47 | |
motion to open up a public hearing second, all in favor, Aye, All right. | 00:08:54 | |
All right, you seeing endorse the engineer? Let me get my slides up. | 00:09:05 | |
Hopefully works great. It works. | 00:09:10 | |
So tonight we'll be talking about the Rdos. And just to kind of give you some background, typically this is not an. | 00:09:12 | |
That typically comes before Planning Commission when it comes to impact fees and other types of fees. However, after reading the | 00:09:20 | |
state, the state code with our city clerk Pam and going through it, it, it outlines that the process should follow a process very | 00:09:29 | |
similar to land use and with the city's process for land use having it. | 00:09:37 | |
Being a public hearing for the Planning Commission, we obviously want to air on the side caution and for. | 00:09:47 | |
And the spread of transparency here, we thought this is being brought to Planning Commission. With that being said that some of | 00:09:55 | |
the items I'll be presenting won't necessarily be specific to this particular particular agenda item, but it will be covering like | 00:10:03 | |
a more of a broadview of sewer impact using sewer impact fees altogether to provide the Planning Commission members. | 00:10:12 | |
And understanding of what we're doing and why we're doing it as well. | 00:10:21 | |
And by all means, if you do have questions during the during this presentation, feel free to ask. | 00:10:30 | |
So the RBAC revision? | 00:10:37 | |
So somewhere what's been presented is. | 00:10:41 | |
The sources and why it's important we'll be talking about the impact, what is the impact some one on ones about impact fee. The | 00:10:45 | |
then we'll go dive into the specifics of about about the sewer impact fee revision and of course talking as well as we'll talk | 00:10:51 | |
about the next steps. | 00:10:57 | |
And some pictures of. | 00:11:03 | |
Sewer for sellers. | 00:11:07 | |
So first of all, we're talking about why the steward system is important fast facts about venue. The venue has provides collection | 00:11:09 | |
services. So when we talk about sewer, there's there's the pipes in the ground that takes the saw waste from the house to a | 00:11:19 | |
treatment system system and those treatment systems for for veneer advanced treatment systems once TSST the temp. | 00:11:28 | |
Special Service District and then, of course, city. | 00:11:39 | |
The Albany city has three workstations, about approximately about 30 miles of sterilized plus or minus. And then the city's sewer | 00:11:43 | |
infrastructure is approximately 115 years old. And when you think about that for a city, that's typically where you go for a city. | 00:11:53 | |
On that so kind of diving deep into, you know, watch your why do why do we care about Sir? What's the you know, what's the | 00:12:04 | |
importance of sewer that's a type of as a as a alcohol a brilliant and upcoming. | 00:12:11 | |
You know, professional said that the sewer makes up 99% of the city and that 99% of the city is actually an invisible part of the | 00:12:19 | |
city and it can't be seen and this is a part of the city that's very important. With that being said, there's another video about | 00:12:26 | |
10 minutes long to present to you what you really guys deep into the importance of where it goes and the importance of it. | 00:12:33 | |
Come on. | 00:12:47 | |
Is 1858 the City of London has its way to scorching the cities two and a half million residents in the Thames River. | 00:12:49 | |
Let's try this again. | 00:12:58 | |
The centuries Londoners have disclosed their waist against the stick. Bad. That's really bad. What are those? | 00:13:00 | |
The wonderful habitat that your body provides, They're literally billions of microorganisms that include your waste making fun. | 00:14:30 | |
I'm sorry, but it was and your intentions are with huge bacterial colonies actually there that helps digest food. It depends on | 00:14:43 | |
substantially all healthy the viruses and bacteria. | 00:14:50 | |
So. | 00:15:00 | |
Focus on that matrix scene. | 00:15:17 | |
I I. | 00:15:19 | |
Right there by your own home. Even though many of us live in big cities, backyard subject systems are actually very common. As | 00:17:38 | |
many as 25% of people in North America depend on them to process their waste and distribute it into the ground. Scientists learned | 00:17:44 | |
long ago that the anaerobic digestion of students could be extremely effective in breaking down human waste and eliminating | 00:17:50 | |
pathogens. The word objective actually comes from the Latin word for the bacterial action. You know as ****** all the stuff that | 00:17:55 | |
goes down your toilet with wastewater. | 00:18:01 | |
Call Blackwater and all the stuff that goes down the drain. Your sink in your shower or grey water flows into that tank, which | 00:18:08 | |
usually holds about 4000 liters of liquid. And in the span of about two days, naturally occurring anaerobic bacteria get to work | 00:18:14 | |
reducing songs in the wastewater into liquids and a kind of greasy, fatty residue. The insoluble particles will sink to the bottom | 00:18:20 | |
and form the sludge, while the bats form a layer at the top of the tank. And yet I realize that I probably ruin your day at this | 00:18:26 | |
point, but within 48 hours? | 00:18:31 | |
From there it's on to the settling, AKA the grid chamber, which is where solids like sand and gravel and picked up along the way | 00:19:38 | |
settled to the pot. It's also one of these two early treatment stations where other flexibles are removed. And there are literally | 00:19:44 | |
tons of this stuff. According to one estimate of 50% of the so-called non dispersible material of wastewater is paper towels from | 00:19:50 | |
public restrooms, another 25% is nothing but baby wipes, and the remaining 25% is a mixture of condoms and cosmetic wites and | 00:19:56 | |
tampon. | 00:20:02 | |
And random thing that toddlers probably got their hands on. The process we're all done varies depending on the system, but usually | 00:20:08 | |
involves another mechanical stream or scammer. The real sugar begins at the next stage called the primary clarifier. This circular | 00:20:14 | |
basin slows down the sewage so that the heavier organic solids fall to the bottom of the bottom will be removed and transferred to | 00:20:20 | |
a digester, sludge press or drying bed, which will get 2. I promise back to the primary clarifier. Most facilities also use a | 00:20:26 | |
skimmer here to remove. | 00:20:32 | |
Foster and efficient environment for microorganisms that unlike those use the most septic systems, consume both organic matter and | 00:21:09 | |
oxygen. At this point the water is known as activated sludge and it looks like dark mud. It's rich with active bacteria and | 00:21:16 | |
percocol and then go into town on the oxygen rich water. From there the water heads to a secondary clarifier and yet another | 00:21:23 | |
segmentation based at one last time for a new leftover heading South to the bottom where it's pumps to the. | 00:21:30 | |
This leftover dry scrub is often used as fertilizer for agriculture or used to make compost mixtures that are sold commercially. | 00:22:09 | |
So again, yes, you may have used to very deluded iPod the human poop grows the veggies in your garden. We here's my show love | 00:22:15 | |
recycling how grow those columns are taken care of. We still have a bunch of wastewater leftover and now that needs to be | 00:22:20 | |
disinfected before being released into the wild. Also known as our drinking supply. There are a lot of ways to do this some | 00:22:26 | |
facilities. | 00:22:32 | |
Morning they're giving a harmful bacteria still left in the water flowing can be introduced as a gas or a salt. Either way, it | 00:22:38 | |
reacts with the water to form hypoflorous acid, which ultimately breaks down bacteria cell membrane and you're really effective. | 00:22:44 | |
But if you live in a town that gives a bit you know that it does not taste good at all. We're in also to be dangerous for | 00:22:49 | |
organisms in the rivers and streams that receive the wastewater, which is why some places now dechlorinate water after | 00:22:55 | |
chlorinating. | 00:23:00 | |
The water and natural wetlands where plants remove excess nutrients. So this is the end of the line. No matter what the | 00:23:37 | |
disinfectant process, the effluent will be released, usually influenced nearby river or Creek, ready for you to possibly drink | 00:23:43 | |
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youtube.com/show. | 00:24:00 | |
All right, So hopefully that video kind of gave you like a good summary of what the what's the source system is, the importance of | 00:24:34 | |
it and pretty much how that's how that's our daily lives. | 00:24:40 | |
Kind of really goes to show that they're like when it comes to this, obviously something really wants in your house and not | 00:24:48 | |
something you want to deal with. So I'm going to talking about what the impact is. | 00:24:54 | |
The sewer specifically when it comes to sewer, this is where it does. This is the thing that goes towards directly. | 00:25:01 | |
Applying towards towards this, for this particular one, applying towards the sewer systems and so forth. When we talk about | 00:25:10 | |
empathy, it really comes down to. | 00:25:15 | |
A lot of background information that's. | 00:25:21 | |
Comprises it with the entire visa and talks about, you know, goes into like the actual operations and systems, some historical | 00:25:26 | |
data, some projected data. | 00:25:30 | |
And data that's very unique to the actual city. | 00:25:36 | |
Let me see. | 00:25:44 | |
Hold on now. | 00:25:55 | |
Let me start this. | 00:25:59 | |
There we go all right, so this time we looked at empathy 101 is and this is taken from the from Utah, the office of property | 00:26:05 | |
rights, which is easily available online for the Planning Commission than anyone in general public. The highlight items are other | 00:26:11 | |
things keynotes. In fact, we at one time charge is to mitigate the impact to local infrastructure caused by new development | 00:26:17 | |
specifically for new development. | 00:26:23 | |
Is to maintain the same level the same level quality of public services for for our residents. | 00:26:31 | |
Don't have these to help fund expansion of public facilities necessary to accommodate a new growth and that's kind of emphasizing | 00:26:37 | |
new growth on that. | 00:26:41 | |
And then for a specific day in the state of Utah is governed by the Utah Utah code specifically impact the act, which is Chapter | 00:26:47 | |
11, Dash 36A. | 00:26:53 | |
Hypothesis are used for. | 00:27:02 | |
Troponin buildings and other physical facilities owned by the local government, that's specifically what the impact he has to be | 00:27:04 | |
used for. And then there are some examples that specifically just for the sort of examples of what the factories are used for. Is | 00:27:10 | |
there still types of documents? There's a lot of platforms, transportation, roads and factories. Some some municipalities have it | 00:27:16 | |
as a multimodal type of impact fee. And then there's there's still more impact fees. There's some some misfires have parking | 00:27:22 | |
*****. | 00:27:28 | |
Public safety Attack these public safety or specifically for police and fire facilities. | 00:27:35 | |
Additional for empathy, wake up to empathy, they can only be used for the facilities associated for their impact. So today we're | 00:27:43 | |
talking about the sewer empathy. The fees that are collected for sewer apocalypse cannot be used for other types of facilities. So | 00:27:50 | |
you can't collect for sewer and packing and use it towards. | 00:27:56 | |
Building a police station, for example, or or school. | 00:28:04 | |
For that case. | 00:28:10 | |
There are some crossover areas like for example, when you're building a new road, if you're building a new road, you're using | 00:28:12 | |
you're using Rd. impacts, but you're also using water impact to use and sewer impact fees because usually when you build 1 system, | 00:28:17 | |
you have other systems that are following where it is well. | 00:28:22 | |
Through a complex analysis, existing recursive existing levels of public services, future needs of the growth and anticipate cost | 00:28:28 | |
to maintain as well. So it's not just. | 00:28:34 | |
It's not just a single picture, a moment to picture capital facility facility plans, also called master plans and then they also | 00:28:42 | |
call infrastructure facility facility plans as well. They're they're kind of like the basis of how when you're, when you're | 00:28:50 | |
developing an impact to you and that those plans anticipate growth and demands created by new developments. | 00:28:58 | |
I guess I'm really what impacting this is we thought was done by the Utah League of Cities and Towns and this is a 2 minute video. | 00:29:09 | |
There you go. | 00:29:23 | |
What is an impact? | 00:29:26 | |
In Pakistan, these are a one time charge that the state legislature authorizes local governments to impose funds collected help | 00:29:28 | |
pay for the cost of infrastructure in new and growing communities. It's a way for cities to finance the expansion of public | 00:29:36 | |
facilities to accommodate growth. State law authorizes the fees only after the city first provides a detailed capital facilities | 00:29:43 | |
plan. That plan must include an analysis of existing facilities, including the. | 00:29:51 | |
Service providers and an assessment of future needs due to growth as well as the anticipated cost to maintain the existing levels | 00:29:59 | |
of service. | 00:30:03 | |
Impact fees are intended as a way to maintain the same level and quality of services for residents as the. | 00:30:08 | |
Community grows. | 00:30:15 | |
State law only allows some money collected tributes to be used on water, sewer and storm water facilities, roads, parks and | 00:30:17 | |
facilities for police and firefighters. The money collected through effectives must be spent within six years. In that fees are a | 00:30:23 | |
way to find a balance between existing and future residents in funding the new infrastructure their population growth | 00:30:29 | |
requirements. | 00:30:36 | |
State law also explains that impact fees are not intended to be used for operational expenses or to pay for capital improvements. | 00:30:43 | |
They cannot be used to raise the level of service in a public facility. They cannot include overhead or the cost for general | 00:30:49 | |
operations of existing service. | 00:30:55 | |
Without his taxes, the services of infrastructure that residents are used to will not be able to keep up with the growing demands | 00:31:03 | |
in our communities. | 00:31:07 | |
The full cost of growth caused by new referees would be paid for granted taxes of existing residents. | 00:31:12 | |
New residents who are creatively for new infrastructure and additional services should take an impact of the growth they caused. | 00:31:19 | |
Impact User intended to maintain the same level of service for all residents as growth occurs. | 00:31:28 | |
Alright. So I think with the big take away on that is that it's really used for the balance in order to provide some equity when | 00:31:46 | |
it comes down to when it comes to important new services being provided to the residents at home. | 00:31:52 | |
There we go. So kind of jumping into now the what with the regards to the what this with this presentation, what we're doing is | 00:32:00 | |
we're presenting a revision to the existing sewer impact fee for specifically for the RDA, the Redevelopment Agency area. | 00:32:09 | |
With this RDA in fact, either the basis of analysis was done by Mountain Land Association of Governments. | 00:32:19 | |
Association of governments in doubt 2000 2003 So they went and did a detailed analysis of with in regards to their needs and | 00:32:29 | |
demands and so forth for India. And of course it was done through a city analysis with its I I I FF community infrastructure | 00:32:35 | |
facilities. | 00:32:40 | |
Plan. Forgive me, I forgot what the second methods as well as an ordinance I was presented back in 2003 and approved by City | 00:32:47 | |
Council. | 00:32:51 | |
I was talking about the where, the where you see here based on the plan, the city is broken down into four different service | 00:32:56 | |
areas. You have the RDA which is in the north. Yeah, there is C, Area B and area A. The purpose is for breaking up impact these in | 00:33:03 | |
different areas so that a general sense is to agree what you want to do is when you want to provide services for an area. | 00:33:10 | |
An area where there might be some large growth, you go walking some undo burden on another area that may that may have had | 00:33:19 | |
experienced that growth that will not be experiencing that type of growth. | 00:33:24 | |
Typically miss powers break up things into service areas and then do an analysis based on those service areas. And so without | 00:33:30 | |
empathy we have 4 different types of service areas. | 00:33:35 | |
Being one of the more. | 00:33:41 | |
Original areas in the city having experience to grow up and then in DC and then area RDA, which is where we're specifically | 00:33:45 | |
talking about which has which is undergoing growth. | 00:33:50 | |
On the so when the typical when impacting analysis are being done. | 00:33:57 | |
A lot. | 00:34:03 | |
Typically done by three consultants press consultants actually look at what's your tenant what is the 10 year plan what's going on | 00:34:06 | |
in 10 years lovely and anyways that aren't going to be experiencing growth in about 10 years. Typically what they do in order so | 00:34:13 | |
they don't put down do an analysis of studies on an area that has that isn't projected for growth. They typically refer the impact | 00:34:20 | |
fee and now excuse me before that it put a recommendation before that empathy. | 00:34:27 | |
For multiple reasons. Another another thing that, excuse me, another type of implementation that you may see if more might be able | 00:34:34 | |
to speak on this. Because when you do overlays, where in fact the overlays where they do this when you might have a certain | 00:34:42 | |
servicer, but you want to focus it's over here on one area of that for to drive economic development or or anything else that the | 00:34:49 | |
City Council volunteer. Then then there would be like a a type of. | 00:34:56 | |
Really impacting the overlay area kind of help allowing the municipality to kind of do targeted growth or whatever you would like | 00:35:04 | |
to do on that. You'll find those in other types of cities. So we are, I came from, we had a few areas where we did overlay | 00:35:11 | |
corridors as well. | 00:35:18 | |
So in essence with the audio with coming up to project the growth where this presentation that folks to the public hearings to | 00:35:26 | |
take the RDA area service sewer service empathy for other from 1:00. | 00:35:34 | |
I'll send it to another fee and due to what the RDA has been projected, the growth have been projected where it was done, it was | 00:35:43 | |
set to 0. | 00:35:47 | |
Now coming back to the other way, as Simon, Simon Seneca says, always bring it back to the Y. So we're talking, we're, so we're | 00:35:53 | |
coming down to the Y. Why we do this? So here's some recent pictures of some new development that's been taken, development that | 00:35:59 | |
by no, no means cannot have been done or by all means could not have been done, excuse me, if it wasn't for some of our key | 00:36:06 | |
partners. | 00:36:12 | |
On there one being the two partners being the developer. | 00:36:19 | |
Utah Department Transportation and ETA to name to name a few. | 00:36:24 | |
So then for starts, development has begun to argue service area and there's a need to adjust the sewer impact fee from zero to | 00:36:31 | |
price $539 per era equivalent to presidential unit. This is for the specifically for the Venice Cities collection site as we | 00:36:39 | |
talked about the Venezuela's collection services. | 00:36:48 | |
TSSD as well as Om City provides. | 00:36:57 | |
Treatment services, so specifically in the RDA it's being served by the TSSD for treatment services. There is a what we call pass | 00:37:00 | |
through impact fee to to that area. | 00:37:06 | |
And that pastor's empathy is set by the TSSD and as in essence, given to us by the city. And then we just hand it over. | 00:37:14 | |
What the purpose of this is to find growth related infrastructure development, maintain the required level of service, and to | 00:37:23 | |
prevent existing users from subsidizing those costs. Very much in essence with the video. The previous video by Utah League of | 00:37:28 | |
Cities and Towns summarized. | 00:37:33 | |
This is a picture which is pretty truthful. It's, it's what we're doing now is how much. And then when what we need to do is we're | 00:37:40 | |
requesting, I was taking the dollar amount from zero to $539 per year. And then with when this will happen, this will happen 90 | 00:37:49 | |
days after approval of the of the ordinance and the approval of the ordinance comes. | 00:37:58 | |
Should be effective on November 24th, 2022. Based on City Council. | 00:38:07 | |
So with another question, but I hear you definition is that that single family residence, does that also include accessory | 00:38:14 | |
dwellings or would there be just what was originally I was able to be a tricky question. So when it comes to the Adus on that | 00:38:21 | |
certain cities have maneuvered the Adu. | 00:38:28 | |
Based on Utah law in terms of that subsidies have imposed a impact fee, a one time impact fee for for Adus for connections like | 00:38:37 | |
for example they would they would require. | 00:38:43 | |
Excuse me I'm trying to remember what city but I believe it's Lehigh. If I'm not mistaken it requires an Adu has a separate water | 00:38:51 | |
meter. So because it has because it requires a separate water meter, it requires is a water meter impact fee to be paid due to | 00:38:58 | |
that. Currently the city of greener does not have any anything like that and you are used to it the same as a as far as if it was | 00:39:05 | |
part of the house. | 00:39:13 | |
And then is there a business impact fee? Yes, our business is paid the same impact fees like your presidency. So ERU in essence | 00:39:21 | |
equivalent residential unit, it takes a baseline away. Equivalent residential unit would be a single family house would be that it | 00:39:28 | |
would be equivalent to residential units and would increase or decrease depending on the type of use based on the based on single | 00:39:34 | |
family house, there's different, there's different. | 00:39:41 | |
Methods and models in order to do it. Currently we're having our water master plan is being conducted by Hanson Allen Loose. | 00:39:48 | |
And. | 00:39:56 | |
When it comes to the equivalent residential units, in my experience there are water master plan times. That's the basis of where | 00:39:58 | |
we're going residential yet is for that city, the city I came from and as well some other cities around Utah uses equivalent | 00:40:05 | |
residential unit. There's a single family house which which utilizes a three quarter inch water meter. So if it's a single family | 00:40:13 | |
house using A1 inch water meter, it's greater than one ERU. If it happens to use less than a three quarter inch water meter, it's. | 00:40:20 | |
Less than one year, even though it's a single family house, the same as and maybe as its neighbor, but they, they see some, some | 00:40:28 | |
places see that say as a fair way of doing it. So business that would tie in if that person uses a three quarter inch meter, they | 00:40:36 | |
pay their impact water. I'm sorry, the same as a as a single family resident, they'll have different entities for. | 00:40:45 | |
For transportation, they have different properties for. | 00:40:54 | |
Maybe schools like a businessman play their schools and for they to put their own paycheck or a single family house with payschool | 00:40:59 | |
empathy's for that. | 00:41:04 | |
Thank you. OK. | 00:41:09 | |
So in summer with the next, the next step on this would be to let the staff recommend approval of the ordinance that's been | 00:41:15 | |
presented setting the sewer package from one $0.00 to $539 per era. And the next step after and then after this go to City Council | 00:41:23 | |
to determine exactly what rate to collect. | 00:41:30 | |
And that rate could be 0% up to 100%. | 00:41:37 | |
As far as the other districts go, what are what's the impact fee for AB and CI believe for? | 00:41:42 | |
This is on top of my head I didn't come prepared for that. I believe is over $1000 three RU which and then P is slightly more than | 00:41:51 | |
that and then C and RDA is the lowest in. | 00:41:59 | |
Yeah. And just to also one other point, the city is is going to be undergoing a sewer master plan this fiscal year. So with that | 00:42:08 | |
sewer master plan being complete being done, the there will be another the FAA and the sewer master plan, they'll present another | 00:42:16 | |
revision for the impact fees as well. And that impact fees, with that impact fee revision, we'll be looking at revising the path | 00:42:23 | |
fees throughout the whole city, not just for. | 00:42:31 | |
11 area. | 00:42:39 | |
Now theme, how are these seeds collected? That is who actually pays them and how are they paid? And then what is the pass through | 00:42:41 | |
rate you can have information on? | 00:42:47 | |
These are applied at the time of a building permit, so when a building permit submitted to the billing department. | 00:42:54 | |
After the after review and so forth, party point building permit for certain fees had to be paid, inspection fees, application | 00:43:02 | |
fees, and then one of the fees is impact. These impact fees are assessed at the time. And then when the impact fees are and then | 00:43:09 | |
based on the assessment of the impact fees, they're applied as part of the building permits of the applicant before they're | 00:43:15 | |
allowed to build a building permit, they they pay down, they pay that in taxi at that time. | 00:43:22 | |
So basically the the developer builder pays the fee, but we assume that's passed on to the future purchaser of the property in | 00:43:30 | |
somewhere, right? | 00:43:34 | |
I mean, we're not actually knowing what their business practice would be. I would say in general sense the answer is yes, but | 00:43:39 | |
that's the general sense to answer nowadays specific answer to new builder. | 00:43:44 | |
And the pass through, the pass through Rd. service. So for example, TSSD has a impact fee that they that they charge because it's | 00:43:49 | |
because they provide treatment services arms, so they provide services as well those those pass through fees. And what we call | 00:43:56 | |
pass through is that NS as the city is not charging any additional cost on top of that. So for example, the city's portion of the | 00:44:03 | |
impact fee for Syria is the same for. | 00:44:10 | |
Sick of Argument $539. | 00:44:18 | |
TSST says we'll, we'll provide that and we'll have an assessment. We have a charge for an assessment. And then they, there's, | 00:44:21 | |
there's a separate currently regardless of the size and then, but there's the, they'll have that, that rate will be passed to the. | 00:44:31 | |
Permit applicant collected by the city. The city takes that dollar amount and gives it directly to TSSD. | 00:44:42 | |
To us and the empathies are used for extension of their facility. So TSSDS will take that dollar amount and it has the same | 00:44:51 | |
restrictions as. | 00:44:55 | |
Based on the Utah impact that they have to spend that for expansions or you know, for their services within that six year period | 00:45:02 | |
as well. So there's no direct cost to the homeowner. | 00:45:08 | |
Through the the past SE that's all done up front, everything done up front, yeah. So I mean I can't tell you whether it cost to | 00:45:14 | |
the homeowners are because it's all based on business practices for that particular that particular person. | 00:45:21 | |
Thank you. | 00:45:28 | |
I have another question on this, just to make sure I understand. So for the impact be if you're a developer, you're building a new | 00:45:30 | |
facility that requires extension of the sewer system to that facility. So they would cover the cost for the extension of that | 00:45:37 | |
system in addition to the impact fee crack. So this doesn't actually provide any actual build out services to service. So there's | 00:45:45 | |
a that's where you're getting some Gray areas like for example, there's times when you do what do you call it empathy credits for. | 00:45:52 | |
So for example, like every builder is required to build above and beyond what they're required to build, what they would need to | 00:46:00 | |
build in order to provide services to them. Then you get into negotiations and industrial development agreement typically. | 00:46:07 | |
Credit, that's a mechanism. So that's often done in times of pioneering. So developers say, you know, I want to do that, you know, | 00:46:17 | |
but I have to do, I have to do a lot more than what I need to in order to provide service for myself. What they'll do is they'll | 00:46:23 | |
pioneer the services. | 00:46:29 | |
For that and then there were the OT is a receive credits on that the city has a few agreements where there's been pioneer | 00:46:36 | |
pioneering has been done in order to provide services for a piece of property that's. | 00:46:43 | |
Like 3 miles away from the TSST they go and they, you know, do an agreement with the municipality. They would provide all those | 00:46:52 | |
costs upfront and then enter into agreement with advanced power to receive credits over a duration of time. | 00:47:00 | |
But then that's one mechanism. A city for example may choose just to pay the developer outright, or the city may chooses to | 00:47:08 | |
develop themselves. Again, I can give you examples from where I've been in the past, where my my past we developed a built | 00:47:16 | |
Expressway and we have 5 lane, the five lane A5 lane Rd. | 00:47:23 | |
That served their development that also served the surrounding cities at the specific city in the county and was actually and then | 00:47:31 | |
with that entertain agreement with the municipalities and in order to collect fees, productions of fees. So in essence, every time | 00:47:39 | |
they pulled a residential permit that they would get, they would get a reduction of that would be assessed. That department would | 00:47:46 | |
be assessed of that and then it'd be reduced. But they're the key portion of that is. | 00:47:54 | |
The fees have to be applied to what it's used for, so for example that the very developer, not the road. | 00:48:01 | |
Water, the water lines and sewer lines and suit lines. So the only areas that get impacted grass is from those three services. | 00:48:09 | |
They cannot get a reduction in impact fees from school impact because that was not specific to what they were doing. And that | 00:48:16 | |
developer, another example is I've, I've worked in Texas where the developer would build a fire station because they're developing | 00:48:24 | |
increase the needs for fire services. | 00:48:31 | |
To the developer provides property in both the fire station with that they got they received credits from the city in terms of the | 00:48:39 | |
public safety reductions during that time. So every time they were building programming, it's a win win scenario. But in essence, | 00:48:47 | |
there are short answers. The developers acting like a a bank to the to the municipality that they provide them a loan. | 00:48:55 | |
Thank you. | 00:49:05 | |
So I know we have a public hearing that we'll get to because there's probably some comments, but I did have a few questions and a | 00:49:06 | |
couple of points I wanted to make. One is this is an RDA area. | 00:49:11 | |
In some sense this seems odd to increase a fee in the same area that we're investing in or trying to incentivize folks to develop | 00:49:16 | |
in. I don't necessarily, I mean, Morgan, welcome to jumping on that. I just wanted to call that out that it. | 00:49:23 | |
Person in order to for economic development purposes, then that that that other body will pay for it. | 00:50:01 | |
It, this is the way I look, the kind of way I look at it is it's kind of like it's a legal way of kind of swapping money around. | 00:50:12 | |
But in essence, it's important in order to keep it for accounting purposes. | 00:50:17 | |
And yeah, Morgan, I'd love your take 'cause I can't imagine this helps economic development in that area. | 00:50:24 | |
Yeah, yeah. But it's it is pretty important that we be able to have the the fees to be able to to cover the cost of their | 00:50:31 | |
structure. I mean, and we're looking at at economic development once it is kind of interesting kind of going along the the kind of | 00:50:38 | |
the the road that you're you're going down. Is that Albuquerque, I knew Arthur C Nelson at the University of Utah, he's a | 00:50:45 | |
professor. So a lot of impact fee analysis and part of what. | 00:50:52 | |
Did is they set up their impact fees to, to, to kind of help drive the development within their downtown core. And what they | 00:51:00 | |
looked at is, you know, they had aging infrastructure, but upgrading it and using because it's a long time cost to build some of | 00:51:08 | |
the new infrastructure because there was already infrastructure in place. They were able to reduce the impact fees quite a bit | 00:51:15 | |
because they wanted to push development within the the core as opposed to building out on the fridge. | 00:51:23 | |
Often called leapfrog development, where you're having to extend infrastructure really far. | 00:51:30 | |
Even past like fields and vacant land to the development that's further out on the fringe. And so they were able to utilize their, | 00:51:38 | |
their impact fees to try and kind of drive the the development or towards the downtown. But, but overall, I agree with Nissim's | 00:51:45 | |
take on his recommendation. Yeah, yeah. And then also like at my previous point about overlays, for example, I cannot like | 00:51:51 | |
economic development zones that some cities do. | 00:51:58 | |
And they provide that incentives for specifically for those overlays. Typically what they'll do is they'll have like, for example, | 00:52:05 | |
transportation. My, my most of my experience has been transportation. In fact, the portion of us where they'll do like a, if it's | 00:52:12 | |
a certain type of business building a certain type of zone, then they'll provide like a 75% credit towards that business. But in | 00:52:20 | |
essence, what happens is that the economic Development Fund or the general fund or however they have it set up. | 00:52:27 | |
Pays that interest and that actually pays that in tax fee for that developer, for that specific type of developer. So the impact | 00:52:35 | |
feed fund stays whole, stays the same. It's not collecting less money, it's collecting the money. It's collecting the money it's | 00:52:41 | |
supposed to collect. But it it's all a matter of who's paying it because that's enforcing when it comes down to financial physical | 00:52:47 | |
responsibility and transparency. | 00:52:53 | |
I was going to say another thing to you and I, Brian May touch on this in his presentation is the state does provide the allowance | 00:53:00 | |
to. | 00:53:04 | |
To waive impact fees for affordable housing and things like that that. | 00:53:08 | |
When the development communities is undertaking those types of those types of developments and projects, the your, you know, | 00:53:14 | |
profit is usually pretty thin. And so it provides kind of an additional set of to to try and kick off some, some of those projects | 00:53:20 | |
because I mean, yeah, you're essentially raising the price of the end product of right, right. And so and, and usually they pull | 00:53:26 | |
from a lot of buckets and we're playing their tax credits and those kind of things they're able to find, you know, profit that | 00:53:32 | |
that makes sense to, to, to. | 00:53:38 | |
Go forward with the project. So we that might be something we'd look at in the future. OK. And then this last point that I wanna | 00:53:45 | |
make is the thing that would make me the most uncomfortable is if there were already projects or plans underway. | 00:53:51 | |
Under, under the previous, I guess the current impact fee that would then be impacted by this. I know it's proposed 90 days out, | 00:53:58 | |
but you know, I'm just thinking like if I had bought a piece of land under certain assumptions and then, you know, there, there | 00:54:04 | |
was a change. | 00:54:09 | |
Yeah, Yeah, that would that would be difficult. I think that. | 00:54:18 | |
You know, maybe everything moving forward, you know, new land owners or when it changes ownership be applied. I'm not sure if | 00:54:21 | |
there's precedent for that, but if there's projects underway that had already planned for the current impact fee, just curious how | 00:54:27 | |
we'd handle that. Yeah. So typically again, that's why you have the when you have the nine day window on that and that's why it | 00:54:33 | |
goes through the goes through this public hearing and the process as well. | 00:54:39 | |
On in regards to that at the end of the day. | 00:54:46 | |
It just comes down to as people are paying their fair share. | 00:54:50 | |
In regards to development and then this way any any kind of agreements that like a one off agreement said that this probably may | 00:54:53 | |
choose to make to any kind of accommodations is, you know, it's being done mainly for at the best interest of the best interest of | 00:55:01 | |
that area of city. And then the impact fee fund is that it's still collecting the money. But in essence it doesn't matter. | 00:55:09 | |
Who? Who's paying their impact? Excuse me, who's paying their impact fee fund? What's important is their impact fee funds being | 00:55:19 | |
paid into. | 00:55:21 | |
Because of the day it's even when you wave like my last to get my husband's power, I would have my same as your waves and at the | 00:55:24 | |
end of each quarter I would give him a bill of how much he waived and how much money he owed me. | 00:55:33 | |
From his from where he wants to pay me from because my Apaches had to be paid because there was a state law. | 00:55:41 | |
Yeah. And then the last, the last thing I just want to make clear for the public is the Planning Commission can only make a | 00:55:47 | |
recommendation to the City Council and the City Council will ultimately decide what happens with this. Just want to clarify that. | 00:55:54 | |
And with that, if there's any public comments, welcome to come up to the podium. State your name and. | 00:56:01 | |
Yeah. | 00:56:08 | |
I have a question about. | 00:56:19 | |
Was there a capitalist plan? | 00:56:25 | |
Down for. | 00:56:30 | |
So that's the answer. OK, so I'll make sure. So just answer your question. So in regards to the facilities plan on that, what what | 00:56:35 | |
was done was that the the Service plan that was taken was the existing facilities plan that was in place. There's there's | 00:56:43 | |
currently a massive funded for a master plan for a new one. This this particular empathy specific has been ascertained through | 00:56:50 | |
historical documents that was. | 00:56:58 | |
I would say it was left behind in order to ensure that he was being taken and then applying and then applying it towards. | 00:57:07 | |
Should be our actual wish of that what should have happened on that. So the facility is not a master plan is being done through a | 00:57:18 | |
particular third party is Evolver. I believe they have a sewer master plan in regards to that whether with that developer is doing | 00:57:25 | |
on that is pioneering, pioneering specifically for the soybean pioneering sewer. | 00:57:32 | |
Portion of the of the of the facilities plan specifically for the idea on that and then. | 00:57:40 | |
My current understanding is that the current developer who's doing the pioneering is a majority stakeholder of of of this area as | 00:57:48 | |
well. So again, to answer your question, a lot of this information is historical. Like you said it was shown in 2003 was when the | 00:57:54 | |
last official analysis was done and then the facilities plan are taken from there was stopped and over the last one being from | 00:58:00 | |
2017, Sir. | 00:58:07 | |
My concern is that. | 00:58:15 | |
The argument was created basically for all of the mail site. | 00:58:17 | |
Three different categories for infrastructure for. | 00:58:24 | |
Community development and also for rehabilitation of the ground and. | 00:58:28 | |
A lot of the infrastructure that's already in place in the RDA was. | 00:58:36 | |
Built with our RDA fund. | 00:58:40 | |
And and so. | 00:58:44 | |
You're putting an impact fee on top of the RDA area. | 00:58:46 | |
Another $539 for one. | 00:58:52 | |
I'm sorry. | 00:58:57 | |
So just to kind of explain how impact these work, again, it is what the impact has been done is it's actually a planted impacting | 00:58:59 | |
and we have a discussion in regards to the bank accounts portion of it. So with the with RBA being set up in order to fund | 00:59:07 | |
development, to fund certain developments in essence with Rbas acting as a developer or like a developer developer slash owner | 00:59:14 | |
into this and executing it. So in essence at the end of the day, we don't. | 00:59:21 | |
Assessment reviews will be assessed the way they're supposed to be and then working with our the finance, the finance department | 00:59:29 | |
to overseas all the impact fee funds and how they're applied and how they're credited will make the determination of who's | 00:59:36 | |
actually like which fund is actually paying for it. For example, if the RDA is providing hazard agreements in order to pay for | 00:59:43 | |
development of certain types of infrastructure on that and the and with developer X. | 00:59:50 | |
One, but the society developer Y there we go. The developer Y, What time is there? | 00:59:59 | |
Then that agreement that's a separate agreement that's being done. The impact fee itself is totally separate from that type of | 01:00:08 | |
agreement. And then we will see that the RDA would be paying into the RDA would actually be paying, paying into that development | 01:00:14 | |
fee fund for for set developer that they may have an agreement with. Morgan was talking about the excuse me, Brian was talking | 01:00:19 | |
about the. | 01:00:25 | |
Antarctica's for low, low low cost housing for low low income housing. Excuse me and you know those incentives are coming through | 01:00:31 | |
grants, federal grants and so forth. Those entities are still assessed and then you'll find that those federal grants will be | 01:00:37 | |
could be paid could be paying into into those impact fees themselves since they're validating for the impact fees. You may you may | 01:00:43 | |
we may find that the federal grants are paid to those empathies and there's a private let's just say there's a large private | 01:00:49 | |
donation from. | 01:00:55 | |
And awesome person who's very gracious that that and then building all those things that private person could pay for. So | 01:01:02 | |
therefore the RDA technically doesn't have to pay for everything. Everybody comes down to the mechanism of how you want to fund | 01:01:08 | |
things to be paying towards that. The fact that this is just establishing an impact impacting to this area is is important and is | 01:01:15 | |
kind of kind of establishes that this area requires funding. | 01:01:22 | |
Because it comes down to the point where the the. | 01:01:30 | |
There's no more available funding, I'll say like after one to the third type of means of method or means of payment that there is | 01:01:35 | |
an impact the established N for those funds for those for that to be funded through without a without a taxi as if you have a 0 | 01:01:42 | |
tax fee. Hypothetically the RDA decide to close doors tomorrow. Any developer coming in would be paying $0.00 in fact fees and | 01:01:49 | |
their local municipality would be on the hook for all future for all those impacts there. | 01:01:56 | |
What you're saying is that that. | 01:02:03 | |
The money that's being passed for here would impact the. | 01:02:07 | |
Is for all new projects in the RDA area. So I understand what the money was being asked for the for the impact is on there is for | 01:02:12 | |
projects in the RDA area that's that's been outlined in the capital facilities plan that data back and maybe 2017 if I'm mistaken | 01:02:21 | |
or 2013 and when and how those things are being paid for is. | 01:02:30 | |
So that it's a separate agreement between. | 01:02:39 | |
RDA and set type of developer. | 01:02:42 | |
And with a new impact, we're a new server master plan coming out this fiscal year with the debt outlines, the new capital | 01:02:45 | |
facilities plan that will outline a new facility fees, not just for this prayer, but for the city and the whole which will | 01:02:51 | |
actually put a lot better equity towards all residents and all businesses alike. So. | 01:02:57 | |
It's done. | 01:03:05 | |
Hutchinson I understood to be the black girl so. | 01:03:12 | |
We own a lot of the ground, as everybody knows in the RDA area. I think we're pretty comfortable the way things have been working, | 01:03:16 | |
where we come in with plans. We work really closely with engineering and planning on. | 01:03:22 | |
What sewer facilities, what water facilities need to be constructive. So with the development that that we're proposing will work. | 01:03:30 | |
And that's worked pretty well to this point. I think like the J line that goes all the way down the lake, all of the lift stations | 01:03:38 | |
have been paid for by the RDA. Everything in the site, all the steward in the site has been paid for by the RDA. We have | 01:03:45 | |
reimbursing agreement. So we're funding all of that. So we're essentially paying this fee now and then if we create the taxable | 01:03:52 | |
value in the RDA to pay that back, that's how we get reimbursed and so. | 01:04:00 | |
Getting all this infrastructure to this point for free based on us. | 01:04:08 | |
You know, putting it all in and then hurrying and trying to create the taxable value to do it. And I think that's worked pretty | 01:04:14 | |
well to this point. So I think we just want to go on record, not against the team because we really like the team and Morgan and | 01:04:19 | |
everybody, but. | 01:04:24 | |
We don't think this is necessary right now. If there does come a point where there are additional things that need to be done that | 01:04:30 | |
the RJ is not willing to pay for, we can have this discussion. But I I just don't see any capital facilities that need to be done | 01:04:35 | |
right now. | 01:04:40 | |
For Stewart, and we're talking millions of dollars like, you know. | 01:04:46 | |
$539 per unit doesn't sound like all that much, but just the buildings that we're proposing tonight, that's $200,000 per day. | 01:04:50 | |
We'll just. | 01:04:54 | |
One building that we haven't been planning on and we really want to take all the dollars we can and used to go to go vertical and | 01:04:58 | |
put in the park and everything else. So this is just one more thing and of course we have to pass it like. | 01:05:04 | |
You know, I mean TSV is a couple $1000, not like they're a couple $100, but every time we're paying PSD and we're paying for all | 01:05:11 | |
the infrastructure that the RGA has been reimbursing. Like Don said, that was one of the main reasons that he already is the state | 01:05:15 | |
set that up was to. | 01:05:20 | |
Project so that the old Geneva site would actually be developed. The same for the RDA. | 01:05:26 | |
None of this development would have ever occurred. And so it is, we feel like this is a really slippery slope too. When you start, | 01:05:31 | |
you start layering on impact fees and it really just closed out the there's one of the, one of the, one of the. | 01:05:37 | |
The reasons why the RDA is there so the development will actually occur and will occur faster than it does in other places, so. | 01:05:44 | |
Just wanted to get down. | 01:05:51 | |
Thanks. Missing you had said if we pass this today it goes to the council then who votes? But then they actually this essentially | 01:05:54 | |
putting a arrow in the quiver so they could use it but they may they may not actually get applied or they would set a percentage | 01:06:00 | |
of it to actually collect or this would be collected every time. | 01:06:06 | |
They would like to, they choose to, they choose to go with in regards to collecting any kind of fee on that. So and that's why I | 01:06:16 | |
put down the determine the right to collect 0 percent or the maximum percentage. | 01:06:21 | |
On that kind of talking. | 01:06:27 | |
So yeah, city count, excuse me, City Council may choose go with or without any kind of recommendations in order for this. | 01:06:31 | |
I guess I use it with the past example that. | 01:06:39 | |
In the city that my last city, you know, we went from. | 01:06:43 | |
Kind of just like renewed everyone from a population about 15,015 thousand to 85,000 people in like 5 years. | 01:06:49 | |
And at the 30 square miles with the full code out of over 100 square miles on that. And then in terms of that, for example, | 01:07:00 | |
without transportation, they actually have applied a 90% reduction on transportation impact fees across the board and approving | 01:07:06 | |
them. | 01:07:12 | |
In the long run, because then they found that they actually didn't have money in order to pay for transportation projects and | 01:07:19 | |
you're not just for future transportation project or transportation projects that they had that had done. So they had, so they had | 01:07:26 | |
gone and they had to have loans and so forth. So part like so part of this impacting collection is actually would be paying for | 01:07:34 | |
back floors and infrastructure improvements that had been done that's that directly impacts the RDA area. | 01:07:41 | |
For example, there's a major sewer pipeline that that's that goes through the RDA that provides services directly with the TSST | 01:07:49 | |
that was constructed that the city is paying for. | 01:07:55 | |
It's still, it's still, it's still paying for and that was done through any reimbursement agreement with another with with a | 01:08:03 | |
development. So that, that that would be an impact. | 01:08:07 | |
And then so money collected for the advert from this and from all up from other residents would go towards paying back those those | 01:08:12 | |
types of capital projects as well. | 01:08:17 | |
So, so there is a need now to collect these fees to ensure there's not a disproportionate impact on existing Citizens Council. You | 01:08:23 | |
know, as I once said, engineers don't allow engineers on file fees if they're not required, Sir. And that's sensible. And even as | 01:08:32 | |
an engineer, if I saw if there was a fee that did not have to be so I would still go through the. | 01:08:40 | |
Mechanisms of determining whether the types of visa should be collected and then. | 01:08:50 | |
City Council has with the power can apply 100% discount on a fee and say the fee is the fee is set, the fee stands. We understand | 01:08:55 | |
there's a there's a fee, but we're applying 100% discount in order for whatever reason at their discretion. So in essence what | 01:09:03 | |
this is doing is taking that, taking that principle, applying, applying it forward. | 01:09:12 | |
By the year later since I've been here and allowing City Council to make that make those determinations at their discretion of how | 01:09:22 | |
they must see economic development. | 01:09:27 | |
Pushing forward, but in short, but this fee does it sets the sets the baseline of what something should be. For example, my | 01:09:34 | |
transportation impact fees at bylaw city was always a dollar amount. The fact that I was always collecting 75% of it or whatever | 01:09:40 | |
percent of it didn't change. I was, but it was always set at the dollar amount that was supposed to be set up, that was set out. | 01:09:47 | |
So therefore any kind of adjustments to that I go I would go back to City Council. | 01:09:54 | |
Every year, actually, I went back to City Council for all my impact fees. | 01:10:02 | |
We review the impact fees of once a year and we will go through to State Council review the impact fees with them. They would get | 01:10:07 | |
the health of the budget from from finance department. They would get the health of the budget and set and then determine how they | 01:10:14 | |
would like to set forth the impact fees for the for that next year, whether it was reduction, no change or increase. | 01:10:20 | |
But they cannot increase it more than the Max dollar amount that was present, that was set and established. So again, this is | 01:10:27 | |
establishing yet 539 as a maximum dollar amount. So, So technically City Council cannot say we want to do $800 per SE. | 01:10:36 | |
Does that answer your question? So now seeing the the last bullet there says 0% to the maximum 539, so the 539 is established by | 01:10:47 | |
state legislature. | 01:10:53 | |
Going through going through the 2003, the 2003 Association of Governments modeling analysis and then the last capital facilities | 01:11:01 | |
plan that was kind of put together. | 01:11:08 | |
As well as determining you know the 530 and I would be the one that would that was based on engineers. | 01:11:16 | |
Engineers. | 01:11:27 | |
Recommendation to be the suitable for that area as well. So again this is State Council could say we would like to charge 1%. | 01:11:29 | |
$539 or they may choose to charge 100% of it. So it's a percent of the 539. That's the base from which the percentage derived, | 01:11:37 | |
correct? | 01:11:43 | |
That's what City Council, this is the State Council's discussion, Sir. Yes, Sir. So they could say we're going to, we want to set | 01:11:49 | |
impact fees at 10% of 539. That's correct. OK. | 01:11:55 | |
So. | 01:12:06 | |
Kind of from my understanding it sounds like it's taking like power away from the RDA and putting it into the hands of the City | 01:12:09 | |
Council, which is weird to me. | 01:12:14 | |
Ashley Ignite and you have a good point there and I made a spoken several times. So it's the RDA board who makes that | 01:12:19 | |
recommendation. | 01:12:23 | |
If I'm on a second. | 01:12:29 | |
I know that's. | 01:12:32 | |
I would be Darth Vader, that's got that. So, yeah. So OK. | 01:12:34 | |
Yeah, City Council, Yeah, yeah, minus I got the State Council. Yeah, too many house, too many same people. My, my last city, the | 01:12:40 | |
the CR, the CRA board was actually different people. They had a couple of State House members, but actually had different other | 01:12:47 | |
people in there too. Easier to easier to remember what he was dealing with. OK. | 01:12:54 | |
Correct. But now, so in essence, RDA will be presented, this RDA boy will make the recommendation and the City Council makes final | 01:13:02 | |
determination. So that's correct. | 01:13:06 | |
OK. So he's saying that the impact fees are essentially being paid by them because they're putting in the infrastructure and stuff | 01:13:12 | |
that currently the city's not seeing an impact. Is that the case or are we, is this just that we're planning on seeing future | 01:13:19 | |
impact that the Rdas not covering? I'm just trying to kind of wrap my head. So again, what you do is when you set the impact, the | 01:13:26 | |
surprise and then it kind of. | 01:13:33 | |
Down to like reimbursement agreements or set forth. So if a contractor comes in pioneer or something, that contractor doing the | 01:13:41 | |
pioneering can realize 100% reimbursement of all the work that they're doing through. | 01:13:48 | |
OK, so is that not already what the RDA is doing currently? | 01:13:57 | |
$0.00 So if there's so for example, let's just say hypothetically 1 developer comes in does something and then sells a property | 01:14:02 | |
off to someone else and that develop and the first developer collects the funding for the for, for that, for that work being done, | 01:14:10 | |
developer 2 comes in and pull applies the billing permit and so forth. | 01:14:17 | |
And then they're they're they're realizing some impacts the city were not that if it went when it's set to 0, the city will not be | 01:14:26 | |
able to find itself getting reimbursed, reimbursing itself for that development that's being done. Again, there's a there's a | 01:14:32 | |
there's a state statues and ways to house house done. We work closely with the finance department and ensure that it's been done | 01:14:39 | |
correctly because the finance department at the end of the day is the one that ensures that is. | 01:14:45 | |
The keeper of the money in terms of that, but it's, it's, it's a way to in essence ensure that the fee hasn't been set at a | 01:14:52 | |
dollar, at a dollar amount, however. | 01:14:57 | |
However, the. | 01:15:02 | |
To the city and that developers agreement between the two plays out that that if there's another party that comes in for saying | 01:15:06 | |
that the that that any other parties does not get the get the benefit from a from an agreement between one party between two other | 01:15:16 | |
parties without that without the city choosing to do so. So this provides the city great discretion in order to how to apply. | 01:15:26 | |
Its incentives. So is the city putting in the infrastructure right now or is there a developer currently? | 01:15:36 | |
So if the so if the developer were to sell it, I mean, the developer already paid for it, so the city wouldn't. I mean, I don't | 01:15:42 | |
see how so with this. Again, I'm an expert this and again, this is about when it comes to legal language things. Developers can | 01:15:48 | |
choose yourself something and then sell. Typically when they sell, sell something, they'll sell fully developed and they'll sell | 01:15:55 | |
with, they'll sell with. | 01:16:02 | |
With that type of investment center, so the developer. | 01:16:09 | |
If they put pioneers something got $0.00 of reimbursement they make you do sell sell out property and then then the person paying | 01:16:13 | |
for their property would be paying for a higher dollar amount. | 01:16:19 | |
To that person to, to that state, but then again, if they that developer pioneers something with the city and so forth and then | 01:16:25 | |
having a set and reimbursed, having a set to 0 prevents the city from being able to kind of collect payments for something that | 01:16:33 | |
they've invested the money in. So this in essence, the city is acting as an investor as part of the developer, which is obviously | 01:16:40 | |
a very good thing because it helps both parties and the residents itself, but by having a set to a dollar. | 01:16:47 | |
Amount whatever dollar amount above $0.00 allows the city and mechanism in order to enforce its ability to collect for | 01:16:55 | |
improvements that are going to be done or have been done to due to the new growth or. | 01:17:03 | |
OK, that sounds like. So in essence, having set to 0 allows for. | 01:17:14 | |
Ties the city's hands from being able to do anything other than giving you away the the that that improvements for free and | 01:17:20 | |
without any realization for being able to collect. But the but as I understand, the city hasn't paid for any of the improvements | 01:17:26 | |
to this point, right? Let's see again with the running through the audio, the developer does improvements and then submissive | 01:17:32 | |
reimbursement through the RVA. | 01:17:38 | |
On that and then again, it comes down to what I like to say the smart bean counters who kind of shuffled the beans around and put | 01:17:46 | |
the and then ensures that the the right, the right pocket pays bill. For example, you have it where the reimburses the developer | 01:17:54 | |
and then, but there's a fee for like within the Rdas like hey. | 01:18:02 | |
This is a impact fee credit type thing where the city could be paying our year. At the end of the day, you might not see physical | 01:18:12 | |
money from moving from pocket to pocket, but it's all it's all done on paper. But it's important that that the finance | 01:18:17 | |
department's able to balance these books. | 01:18:22 | |
And have it to have the ability to say this is the value of what was being done, even if no physical cash is being transferred | 01:18:28 | |
across the room. | 01:18:32 | |
Yeah, go ahead. Yeah. | 01:18:38 | |
Yeah, hasn't been closed yet. So I think, I think the main point, especially on the travel center area, you might spin back to the | 01:18:41 | |
map, you know that there's no. | 01:18:45 | |
So the Town Center area there, which is just left at where it says area RDA, we already have reimbursed in place currently with | 01:18:50 | |
the RDA for sewer infrastructure. | 01:18:56 | |
Where you know that we're paying for it, we'll get paid back at some point if we build buildings that pay property tax that pays | 01:19:03 | |
back. So I think our concern is and. | 01:19:08 | |
There are a lot of smart beam counters out there are concerned with this would be if we're already paying one being. | 01:19:15 | |
For it and it's supposed to get paid that back and now we're paying another fee at. | 01:19:21 | |
When we go to submit for permit now we pay 2 beans and. | 01:19:27 | |
We're paying for it twice essentially. We've already paid for it all. The city hasn't paid for any of it. It's not at risk. Now if | 01:19:33 | |
there's other areas that don't have those agreements in the team saying well maybe if the city like the RDA went under or | 01:19:39 | |
whatever, then the city and some other areas may be responsible for that. We're saying we own most of this area. We're comfortable | 01:19:45 | |
with that risk and we're going to have to work together if we get to that point. If there is no impact being we own the property, | 01:19:51 | |
we'll have to put an infrastructure. | 01:19:57 | |
We can't just come to the city and say you need to pay for all this stuff. | 01:20:03 | |
In the other areas, but specifically for this area, the main thing area where we're going, we don't think there's a need for an | 01:20:07 | |
impact fee because we already are comfortable with the reimbursement agreement the way it works with the Army. So just wanted to | 01:20:14 | |
put one more thing on the record and I'll chat with that. Very good. Thanks. | 01:20:20 | |
Any other questions or well I just wanted to make a comment so based on what I've heard. | 01:20:29 | |
And I hope I'm not misinterpreting anything. The actual impact fee itself may not be a sticking point. However, we would need to | 01:20:35 | |
make sure that no impact fees are assessed if there's an existing RDA agreement in place. | 01:20:41 | |
It's that's. | 01:20:50 | |
Kind of my previous point was that those are exactly what's what happened is if there's a are the agreements and I see this in | 01:20:54 | |
general sense, but in essence place for developer for something with what's going on is that the impact is. | 01:21:02 | |
May be paid for by the idea, for example. So again. | 01:21:12 | |
In the last day of the city, it's like, yeah, so the example I gave us for my previously were with the way to impact these for | 01:21:20 | |
schools. Like it seemed like every time my school was being built, it was magic wand it was raved. Hence I think that's why the | 01:21:26 | |
city had the most schools per per student for some reason. | 01:21:32 | |
But. | 01:21:40 | |
The impact fees are being were being waived for the schools. However, the schools had The schools were not exempt. The public | 01:21:42 | |
schools were not. They're not exempt from paying impact fees. | 01:21:47 | |
So. | 01:21:52 | |
Since there was a serious choice, as you can see his leadership choice to waive and impact me, the empathy still had to be paid | 01:21:55 | |
for. Therefore this city. So therefore it whether came out there cities general fund, it came from Alpha Economic Development Fund | 01:22:00 | |
or whatever different fund the city, the city's leadership had set aside that that impact. It had to be the money had to be paid | 01:22:06 | |
for into that impact fee. | 01:22:12 | |
On that, I mean, there's that one thing I agree about in factory forgiveness, et cetera, et cetera. It's all based on the state, | 01:22:19 | |
state laws, et cetera, but. | 01:22:25 | |
For example, the public schools weren't paying taxes for their few schools. However, the city paid the impact fees for them. That | 01:22:30 | |
impact fee has still had to be paid because it's not the IT wasn't the city. It's not the city's managers fund or whoever's fund, | 01:22:37 | |
is it? That's the city's residence fund. | 01:22:43 | |
Yeah. | 01:22:55 | |
Would be and I appreciate the work that you go through to determine how to make this city viable long term so that you guys aren't | 01:22:59 | |
stuck with some. | 01:23:03 | |
Massive surprise later and I really do understand and appreciate that. Just wondering if there is a need to have a representative | 01:23:08 | |
of the art from the RDA here to make some comments or if there is some type of study approaching meaning of tax increment | 01:23:15 | |
available or projected available and this is or was created the RDA for so far. So this is not a very easy, it's not a softball | 01:23:23 | |
development location based off of previous use that was here based off of other. | 01:23:30 | |
Circumstances with relations either your. | 01:23:39 | |
You're locked within the lake and I-15 it and then full development combined with new development and different changes of uses | 01:23:41 | |
and more modern type development and and a growth of. | 01:23:47 | |
Residential needs and and affordable housing needs along with I think maybe the city attorney would probably need to weigh in on a | 01:23:52 | |
few things would be there have been some changes from the state legislature side with some bills as to what RDA funds and how that | 01:23:59 | |
process works to to use or to capture a or some type of tax increment in the future. | 01:24:06 | |
That would be my only question is how does the RDA actually? | 01:24:14 | |
Continue to do the job that has been done previously here so that there is an incentive needed in this town, for this city, in | 01:24:20 | |
this location to develop and there is a need to incentivize and attract. | 01:24:27 | |
Tenants, users, developers to put infrastructure in and and some of those rules that that process have changed recently. And I | 01:24:35 | |
think Jamie could could weigh in on that and maybe the RDA could actually explore a little bit better. | 01:24:42 | |
What this would impact her, if it's even possible area to continue to participate in certain high areas of development with the | 01:24:50 | |
testing in the future? | 01:24:54 | |
No, thank you very much for those points. Yeah, for sure that that information has been provided to Jamie, the city attorney as | 01:25:02 | |
well as the finance director who's acting who's over over the RDA as well for. | 01:25:10 | |
Prior for review as well. So and then this will be taken to like we discussed this will be taken to the RDA board for for | 01:25:18 | |
presentation for recommendation approval so that I'll be able to be able to review and they haven't said before it goes to City | 01:25:22 | |
Council for final action. | 01:25:27 | |
But no, thank you very much for those points. | 01:25:33 | |
Yes, yes. | 01:25:38 | |
All right. Any other public comments? | 01:25:41 | |
Any other questions? | 01:25:46 | |
Yes, we have, you have different options. I mean, obviously the recommendation of approval or denial or of if you needed more | 01:25:48 | |
information. Ultimately what they seem is really hammered is getting to, you know, getting to the City Council level there you're | 01:25:55 | |
going to have the RDA representative, you'll have the city attorney, city manager. And so, you know, some of those points are up | 01:26:02 | |
tonight. That's kind of what the purpose of the public hearing is, is to bring up points that need to be further. | 01:26:08 | |
You know, dive into. | 01:26:16 | |
And so that that's the opportunity to do it there or if, if you so choose, you may also request that to happen that that, that, | 01:26:17 | |
that this level that's that's up to you. | 01:26:22 | |
OK. | 01:26:28 | |
I have a motion to at least close the pedal carrying. I move to close the public hearing. I have a second. | 01:26:33 | |
One second all in favor, aye? | 01:26:40 | |
Alright, does anybody want to make a motion? | 01:26:44 | |
So before I would make a motion or anything I think. | 01:26:48 | |
Where I'm coming from, it's not necessarily a recommendation of what's existing there. I think it's more review this with the lens | 01:26:52 | |
of. | 01:26:56 | |
Finding a way to make sure that we're not. | 01:27:02 | |
Causing undue burden on existing land owners where there's already agreements in place and then ensuring that. | 01:27:05 | |
This aligns with the city needs financially long term, but that it's done in, in the, in the most simple manner that's transparent | 01:27:14 | |
to all land owners and future land owners. That's my key concern with this because every, every, you know, there's, there's impact | 01:27:21 | |
fees in every other location that that's expected, right? But in a, in an area like this with the RDAI just want to make sure that | 01:27:28 | |
it's very clear where the RDA will step in. | 01:27:34 | |
Where they won't and so. | 01:27:42 | |
I think the easiest thing to incentivize strong economic development is being predictable and easy to work with. If there's a | 01:27:44 | |
moving target all over it, it makes it very difficult to do short and long range planning on both sides. So that that would be my | 01:27:50 | |
input for the City Council. | 01:27:56 | |
Yeah. And and my issue is if a developer is putting in all the infrastructure themselves, then then I have a hard time seeing the | 01:28:03 | |
point and having an impact fee for them particularly. But for those that are coming in after the fact, then that's where I see it. | 01:28:11 | |
Like that makes sense. | 01:28:19 | |
So I. | 01:28:29 | |
Like for the downtown development in particular when they're putting in the infrastructure. | 01:28:30 | |
Dennis. | 01:28:36 | |
Well, they could still be reimbursed if they're paying. | 01:28:38 | |
I don't see the point of. | 01:28:41 | |
The impact, see if they're the ones right, if they're building out the infrastructure and then they're also submitting a building | 01:28:43 | |
permit for. | 01:28:47 | |
What they intend to build next to the infrastructure they put in it, it wouldn't make sense to have them pay for something that's | 01:28:53 | |
already been paid for, like the impact has already been paid for, you know, in that in that respect. | 01:29:01 | |
At the same time, I like have, I like giving the city the ability to negotiate with future developers because we don't want to | 01:29:12 | |
again be stuck between a rock and a hard place and have no negotiation abilities. | 01:29:19 | |
We've seen how that has impacted the city before and it'd be great to continue to avoid that in the future. | 01:29:29 | |
And I really like this, Mistine pointed out. Like we, we can have this fee as a Max the cap fee. | 01:29:36 | |
And the city can utilize. | 01:29:45 | |
The ability to have like a 0% fee of this ERU. | 01:29:49 | |
Just depending on who the developer is, what they have already put in, what their reimbursement agreement is, etc. So it feels | 01:29:57 | |
flexible and it feels like something that we can make sure the. | 01:30:03 | |
In the structure of this fee, it is specific to if you've put in infrastructure, you're not going to get hit twice. | 01:30:13 | |
Because we're really happy to work with you. | 01:30:23 | |
I'm always doing opposed for double, double taxing somebody in essence and making them double pay. But again, it comes out to | 01:30:28 | |
ensure that people are paying. So in that sense, if someone's coming and developing something. | 01:30:36 | |
And so forth. You know, in essence what they're doing is they're going to wherever the dollar amount they would be paying in would | 01:30:47 | |
be reduced to what they what they would typically know. | 01:30:52 | |
And in this particular scenario, in this particular scenario, it's what we're seeing is more of a one for one, maybe not maybe | 01:30:57 | |
more in favor towards the city and certain circumstances on that. But then again, you also look at redevelopment areas, so for | 01:31:04 | |
example for. | 01:31:11 | |
Someone, her brother's single family house, decides to purchase a single family house, tear it down and build. | 01:31:18 | |
Or actually it's happened other areas where they go out of two or three houses, tear down to three houses and build 1 giant house | 01:31:26 | |
on top of three houses, those higher houses. But then the new redevelopment run the pattern pay impact because of bringing | 01:31:34 | |
additional burden non-existing system as well. So in essence, I have a $0.00 amount the city's ties hands and not able to do and | 01:31:41 | |
not be able to do any of that, right. So if we can just be sure to have language in there. | 01:31:48 | |
To. | 01:31:56 | |
To not double impact people. I mean that's essentially what most of the concerns here that I'm hearing. | 01:31:59 | |
That that's my only suggestion. | 01:32:10 | |
That's great. That's great. That's great suggestions for sure. That's a suggestion that we will follow. | 01:32:12 | |
Any other comments? | 01:32:17 | |
And 539 it to some it may not be huge to others it's really big. I mean in this room we have, you know a lot of big developers, | 01:32:21 | |
but the impact of steel real. So I think anytime there's an impact fee for anyone, we can't entirely predict what the impact is. | 01:32:29 | |
The individual has to pay it and how it's going to affect development. Especially. I think we do have to recognize I mean what's | 01:32:36 | |
happening downtown is new. There's a lot of costs being paid and I think we're getting a big benefit from that. So whatever we. | 01:32:43 | |
I'm inclined having nothing in place, you know, there's going to be future people come to build downtown. They should know what | 01:32:51 | |
the impact is going to be for them fee wise because they're not, you know, they don't have pioneering agreements right now. So I | 01:32:58 | |
see the need for them to know what the impact fee will be. But we just need to keep in mind the work being done now in the | 01:33:04 | |
pioneering agreements that are already in place and and especially if the infrastructure is being built, you know, to to support. | 01:33:10 | |
What these companies want to to then, you know, utilize, I think we need to take that into account and and mention, you know, you | 01:33:17 | |
know, double bean counting that that's something that I think we're all concerned about is. | 01:33:22 | |
They're doing the work to build all of this that Vineyard couldn't necessarily do otherwise, and we want to avoid charging double | 01:33:28 | |
impacts and then having to to collect RDA funds or, or credits back from for years to come. | 01:33:34 | |
We're not suggested by boarding having the finance director being able to speak, articulate the point of how the finances are | 01:33:45 | |
accounted for to ensure that you know that things are being counted for properly and then to that undue burden on a residence | 01:33:51 | |
developer and. | 01:33:58 | |
Or even is not being placed again. | 01:34:04 | |
Double requires someone to double pay for the same service is totally against the grant of what they public agency should be. | 01:34:10 | |
We're not here to make money, as much as I like to argue that with another fellow planner of mine, but we're not here to make | 01:34:23 | |
money. We're here to ensure that we're providing this basic services and that any needs for the residents and the businesses alike | 01:34:29 | |
and you know, increase the quality of life for everyone to the to the levels that everyone's acceptable to. | 01:34:36 | |
All right. Thank you, Sir. | 01:34:44 | |
Do I have a motion? | 01:34:50 | |
I'll, I'll make a motion. It's never fun to to increase fees or money that the government collects, but I do think it's necessary. | 01:34:54 | |
So I'll make that. Do we have the that the proposed 1. | 01:35:00 | |
Do you have language for approval? The motion that would be, I don't like to have it here, but I think it's ordinance. So it would | 01:35:08 | |
be if it's recommending approval or denial would be for ordinance 2022-14 to the City Council. I make a motion to recommend | 01:35:16 | |
approval or you said a motion to send to the City Council. | 01:35:24 | |
I recommend approval and send to the City Council for approval of Ordinance 2022-14. | 01:35:32 | |
Adjusting the RDA service areas to impact fee from $0.00 to $539 per ERU in addition to the pass through rate at the current TSSD | 01:35:38 | |
rate. | 01:35:44 | |
And I would like to make an addition to that that. | 01:35:51 | |
It's a recommendation based on. | 01:35:57 | |
That people that are putting in infrastructure are not being double, double paid and I. | 01:36:02 | |
Yeah. | 01:36:11 | |
And then, Chris, do you accept that on that amendment second? | 01:36:13 | |
I'll second. | 01:36:20 | |
All right, is this roll? It is a roll call. All right, it's roll call. Hey, Anthony, Bryce. Alright, Tim, Chris, hi. All right. | 01:36:21 | |
OK, now we'll go to business item 4.1, Top Golf Miner site plan applications. | 01:36:37 | |
I. | 01:36:50 | |
OK, my name is Barry Maya. I'm city planner. I'm introducing the next applicant ex development. The owner and manager of that | 01:37:08 | |
company is here to answer questions. | 01:37:14 | |
Basically, this is a site plan amendment. | 01:37:22 | |
To the same top golf site and facility is to add a 10,000 square foot addition to the existing top golf building. This area is | 01:37:25 | |
basically going to function as a waiting space and additional recreational waiting space for the people already waiting and | 01:37:33 | |
registered for days at the top golf so as they're waiting for. | 01:37:41 | |
Their position in the queue, they can go into this area and and enjoy an additional recreational facility. | 01:37:50 | |
For their entertainment. So as I mentioned it's 10,000 square foot addition. This application also proposes some changes, minor | 01:37:56 | |
changes to the to existing parking lot and to some of the ADA, the position or location of the ADA parking spaces within the lot | 01:38:05 | |
and also adds 10 required parking spaces to the entire project. | 01:38:14 | |
The entire project is still very empty. | 01:38:23 | |
Part There's still a lot of spaces for people parking the mini golf. Let me show you a picture of what it will look like. | 01:38:27 | |
So it's kind of a similar design done in another location, not really sure where this location is, but Eric Turner can speak to | 01:38:41 | |
that when we just ask them some questions. But this is essentially what's going to look like. So it's twelve holes. Six of the | 01:38:48 | |
holes must be 80 compliant and four ADA compliance will be a Commission of approval with this project and final designs that | 01:38:55 | |
include ADA compliance, it must be submitted before building permits. | 01:39:01 | |
The entire edition is considered the open space, so it does fall under the definition of royal. Open space is within Arizona | 01:39:09 | |
definition so recreational areas and facilities are included in the function. Muslim League off will be turf but or I should say | 01:39:15 | |
Astro turf. | 01:39:21 | |
But it will still be adorned with water wise plants, trees and shrubs. | 01:39:29 | |
The management, we'll go back to the site plan. | 01:39:35 | |
It will have A at least 2 minutes proposed to have a four. | 01:39:44 | |
A full foot fence around the perimeter, it doesn't cross the six feet high and eight feet in weight on the moving part just to | 01:39:49 | |
provide some additional shielding and screening to the more like dining and gathering areas of the top golf facility. But that's | 01:39:57 | |
one condition that we actually have to have further conversation with the applicant because our zoning totally allows a 42 inch | 01:40:04 | |
docker defense on the front. | 01:40:12 | |
Yard of the establishment. So that is something that will be requiring tonight, but further conversations will take place that may | 01:40:20 | |
include his own text amendment for commercial properties that might be benefited by a fencing that exceeds that 42 inch in height. | 01:40:28 | |
So that that might be coming in the future to be presented to the Planning Commission. | 01:40:36 | |
So for now we'll need be approving 42 inches in height. The facility I mentioned was doing 10 additional parking spaces and with | 01:40:46 | |
that. | 01:40:51 | |
So let me explain why so many golf requires 1 space for 1000 square feet of activity area as stated in the outdoor amusement and | 01:40:57 | |
recreation parking requirements. And along with those 10 spots, we do actually jump up to one more additional bicycle parking | 01:41:03 | |
space as well. So that will have to be amended. | 01:41:10 | |
Video parking. So let me show you how the parking changes. | 01:41:18 | |
Can I pull up the old or the original approved site plan? So before the ADA parking was located here on the northern part of | 01:41:25 | |
Vermont. It's been moved down to a more centralized location in the lot. And then also this 4 feet concrete sidewalk is added to | 01:41:34 | |
the parking lot. And I think it's a good addition because it does provide a safe. | 01:41:42 | |
Facility for people within the parking lot to get in and out of the of the space. | 01:41:52 | |
These are protected and dedicated areas for pedestrians. | 01:41:58 | |
In addition, this crosswalk is being added. Let me just pull up the old site plan. | 01:42:03 | |
This is what I used to look like before on the approval from September the 1st of 22 months, we have your 780 parking spaces here | 01:42:13 | |
in the north and in this area did not have a crosswalk, so that's being added as well. The additional parking spaces are being | 01:42:20 | |
added here in this section. | 01:42:26 | |
Southern just to the South of the the minutes here. Moving back to the new site plan. | 01:42:34 | |
One of the conditions of approval is that it's not showing in the in the site plan that an ADO ramp be provided right here. So | 01:42:42 | |
that's something that we would like to see. | 01:42:48 | |
And then? | 01:42:56 | |
That's pretty much the the summary of the project after he was had a chance to ask the applicant some questions about the project | 01:43:02 | |
or express any concerns are laying out the different conditions. I have 8 conditions that I'd like to walk you guys through, so | 01:43:08 | |
Eric is here to answer any questions. | 01:43:14 | |
Eric Conrad's development. I'm going to start out with the fence discussion. Happy to have a seeking. | 01:43:24 | |
That we work with staff to we're not going to amend the zoning code and so we could work with that after approval tonight prior to | 01:43:30 | |
building permit that we have a code compliance sense that would need the 42 inch requirement. | 01:43:37 | |
Eliminating the privacy screening likely in most most locations they could just an iron fence keeping this you know as part of the | 01:43:47 | |
account for our open space is there is a little bit of. | 01:43:52 | |
Fine line we have to walk with the ABC and making sure there is some separation with the hyper fence and so it would have the | 01:44:00 | |
majority of it's just an iron fence. They can stay through 42 inches. I believe that the ABC requirements too. | 01:44:06 | |
The other items that we are doing, there's one, one more crosswalk on the north side of 500 N that's been added as well going | 01:44:17 | |
north. So several new crosswalks, new pedestrian connectivity, the mini golf course. And then we can get conditional approval | 01:44:23 | |
tonight to work with the staff on the events, material and height as well as work with building department on the ADA compliance | 01:44:29 | |
department. | 01:44:35 | |
Fighting force and the new problem. | 01:44:41 | |
That would really help us sort of condition this year. | 01:44:44 | |
Cool. Thank you. Any questions? | 01:44:48 | |
Yeah, I do have a question on just the setup for open space requirements. So this although open space it's not open to just the | 01:44:51 | |
general non paying public in in this section, correct? | 01:44:57 | |
OK. Yeah. So there are incorporated in here. There's there's a hangout benches and Cornwall play area and whatnot and a trail that | 01:45:06 | |
can be walked on. | 01:45:11 | |
But it is open to the public, just not that playing part. OK, I wanted to clarify that just because if we're counting it as open | 01:45:17 | |
space, I want it to be a. | 01:45:21 | |
Public amenity that some people can enjoy even if they're not playing. | 01:45:25 | |
And this will be available separately from regular top off families with kids. | 01:45:29 | |
Any other questions? | 01:45:45 | |
So just because I didn't understand the question, great. So is the mini golf course open to the public to use if they're not | 01:45:47 | |
participating in the top golf activities? It's not free. | 01:45:53 | |
Aspects to this new site, they designed this landscape design that has some benches and quantum play areas and some other hangout | 01:46:00 | |
spots that are open to the public for non paying customers to play golf on the mini course. | 01:46:06 | |
Do you need to pay for the entire couple of No. | 01:46:14 | |
Yeah, OK. That's. | 01:46:18 | |
And. | 01:46:21 | |
Yeah, and you could walk in and go around the mini golf course and not pay to play and just be there, correct. It might be a | 01:46:24 | |
little awkward. And you said ******** is open to the. | 01:46:30 | |
Public, but you'd also walk in, walk all the way around and then. | 01:46:37 | |
Mini golf on the in between the building and the mini golf right where it says mini golf area per owner, just down to the bottom | 01:46:43 | |
right of that rectangle. There's a corn hole hanging out spot right there. Benches throughout the area. There's lighting | 01:46:49 | |
throughout the area. So it is and there's a pathway that makes connection. So you see the trail going to the right. It'll go to | 01:46:56 | |
Geneva Road and tie into the future of Geneva widening. | 01:47:02 | |
You know pedestrian facility that gets placement by your dot? | 01:47:10 | |
Any other questions? No additional questions. | 01:47:16 | |
I think it's cool I have a motion. | 01:47:19 | |
Can you add to the conditions too that they'll work with stuff on fencing? | 01:47:27 | |
And ABA compliance, right, right. Those are conditions that are laid out here. So the conditions are the application style 17 | 01:47:33 | |
bicycle parking styles for the new required parking calculations definition 80 ramp at the East End of the sidewalk that leads | 01:47:41 | |
pedestrians onto 1700 E from the Indies Falls and from the primary building. We could just choose that to make sure that. | 01:47:49 | |
That idiot answer and start at the ends of all crosswalks and that kind of covers everything. The applicant shall ensure that the | 01:47:59 | |
design of the mini golf meets all 80 requirements before submitting for building payments. That includes accessibility rules, | 01:48:07 | |
accessible accessible rules, accessible routes, accessible services, ingress and egress, etcetera. | 01:48:14 | |
So this is kind of a specific one from the building department. The applicant shall label all slope changes required at the mini | 01:48:23 | |
golf course for ADA requirements. That's just an additional ADA specification. Fencing within the building shall be reduced to 42 | 01:48:29 | |
inches in height. | 01:48:36 | |
I didn't mention this, but my pose at the mini golf course shall not exceed 28 in height and shall meet all of their zoning code | 01:48:43 | |
lighting requirements. | 01:48:47 | |
And then the applicant pays an outstanding fees and makes some revenue corrections. The applicant is subject to accuracy and local | 01:48:53 | |
laws. | 01:48:56 | |
Could you change the fencing one to just be the work with staff to be compliant on fencing? Yes, instead of a specific 42 inch. | 01:49:01 | |
Stuff. | 01:49:11 | |
I got it, it's cool. Do I have a motion then? | 01:49:15 | |
Yeah, I can make a motion. | 01:49:20 | |
I need to approve the minor site plan amendment as requested. | 01:49:22 | |
In this case by Carla Mata with 50 Mil LLC with the proposed conditions read by staff. | 01:49:29 | |
Do I have a second? I second all in favor? | 01:49:35 | |
All right, cool. | 01:49:38 | |
OK. Thank you. | 01:49:42 | |
Excited to see it done. | 01:49:44 | |
Yeah. All right. Moving on to work session and moderate income housing plan update with ****** City General plan, OK. | 01:49:46 | |
I'm on this one as well. | 01:49:55 | |
Whoops, that. | 01:50:00 | |
Sorry before before we get into this, could we move to 6.3 and then come back to it? | 01:50:03 | |
Just so that we don't have to keep them here. | 01:50:11 | |
We're going to move to 6.3. It's already been a long meeting. I feel for you guys. So. So 6.3 blocks 5 and 6 of Vineyard Station. | 01:50:15 | |
Definitely you can go to the work. We have a presentation to show that accompanies. | 01:50:28 | |
Yeah. So this will just be primarily a presentation from from the applicant and then staff is in our during our review process. So | 01:50:35 | |
most likely we know what these kind of larger projects that the Planning Commission prefers to have like a work session on them | 01:50:41 | |
prior to a decision type meeting. So that that's what this is. | 01:50:48 | |
Grant me access to that. | 01:50:54 | |
Thanks. | 01:50:57 | |
You. | 01:51:07 | |
Just one Krista High 5. | 01:51:07 | |
Let's see, I could reload and see. | 01:51:13 | |
There we go. | 01:51:17 | |
OK, now just tell me when you're ready to move. | 01:51:20 | |
So these are our first two blocks. We'll Scroll down and just kind of show you where it is. We're going to bring up your | 01:51:23 | |
architectural review, landscaping, some renderings. Landscape is still a little preliminary. We've talked to staff a lot about the | 01:51:28 | |
landscaping. | 01:51:32 | |
We'd like to stage when the landscaping plan gets final approval because we really want to tie especially these blocks that are | 01:51:38 | |
right next to the promenade. We're working with the landscape architects to make sure that we're not duplicating things in both, | 01:51:43 | |
and it's kind of working together. | 01:51:49 | |
Staff, I think has been open to that idea with some specific I think we're working on something. | 01:51:56 | |
Timelines of how that'll work. We're still discussing a little bit of that, but it is such a different side. I think everyone will | 01:52:02 | |
understand as you look at this, it's really important and we want to spend a lot of time on the landscaping because it's so | 01:52:07 | |
integral that it all intertwines and goes well together. This isn't just like build the Dairy Queen and making sure you've got a | 01:52:13 | |
few shrubs and what you need and the through drive through works. I think you'll see in this that the Paseos, the courtyards, | 01:52:18 | |
everything is so important. | 01:52:24 | |
To get right, we want this to be, and I think we've reiterated this and you're probably going to hear this forever, but we want | 01:52:31 | |
this to be the most pedestrian friendly place in Utah. | 01:52:35 | |
For cyclists, cars still need to obviously work in the site, parking still needs to work, as everyone knows, but we want this to | 01:52:41 | |
be a place where. | 01:52:45 | |
Everywhere else is kind of designed around the car and this is a community that should hopefully be designed around people and all | 01:52:50 | |
these other elements will work. I got hit my car yesterday on the bike, so it's real fresh on my mind. So I'm even more anxious to | 01:52:58 | |
make sure that this that this works. I don't think the concussion was very bad, but things go off track. | 01:53:05 | |
So we can start spinning through this bit here and I'll be brief and then any questions you have. So this is the project area. | 01:53:14 | |
Philosophy right now our building philosophy is kind of line the park. That's our intent to do first. We're starting away from the | 01:53:23 | |
train station because we want to make sure we get the train station exactly right with the density and the and the the retail | 01:53:29 | |
impact that we want there. So we don't want to under build that area now. So that's kind of why we're seeing this start down here. | 01:53:36 | |
Our next block will be on the exact opposite side of the problem. | 01:53:43 | |
With the potentially taller, you know, 678 story buildings on the other side, just trying to start finding that part. We're going | 01:53:50 | |
to work our way up. | 01:53:54 | |
We are working on the middle block there by the by the train station as well, potential grocery store and some other things that | 01:53:58 | |
we're going to. | 01:54:03 | |
That I've mentioned those time to. | 01:54:09 | |
Hopefully we'll be in here soon to kind of show you some of the things you're working on there, but just. | 01:54:11 | |
Project area is 5-6 and three we've talked also. So it's going to we're going to serve this part things currently and then go back | 01:54:16 | |
in and densify that with structured parking and build units on top of the future. So we'll always maintain the minimum requirement | 01:54:24 | |
of parking. It's just the parking will shift over time. Structured parking as everybody knows is extremely expensive. So our | 01:54:31 | |
thought is that we can build these other units 1st and then come back in and spend those dollars later. | 01:54:39 | |
Safety already money saves US money and enables us to build more buildings faster. The site is so large, sometimes you lose the | 01:54:46 | |
scale of how big this is. We think one of the biggest risks to the project is that we don't build fast enough. So what you're | 01:54:52 | |
going to see is we're going to be pushing development that, you know, we're probably in a housing recession over the developer. We | 01:54:58 | |
are in a housing recession, but we're still going to be moving. This is a, you know, 10-15 year building, so you're going to be | 01:55:04 | |
seeing projects just. | 01:55:10 | |
No matter what the market. So that's the project area if you want to go to the next slide here. | 01:55:18 | |
Oh, sorry, next slide. | 01:55:26 | |
Friends. So this is kind of site as is. | 01:55:29 | |
A few months ago, so, you know, a little more advanced than this CDP. | 01:55:33 | |
Silhouette Up in the left corner there is a point. | 01:55:37 | |
So there's blocks five and six that we're doing. So that's the it's in the downtown excuse area. | 01:55:45 | |
So here's the here's the plan. The permanent landscaping, the pista is obviously in the buildings themselves. Parking lots are all | 01:55:53 | |
temporary parking lots that will come back to you later. And that's fine. Build on top of. | 01:55:59 | |
Block 5. | 01:56:07 | |
That's a little more advanced look. So that's the Paseo. You know, you see all these Paseos in the world that's going to be very, | 01:56:10 | |
very pedestrian friendly. | 01:56:13 | |
No cars at all in there. | 01:56:17 | |
And then the courtyard, so we think the three kind of open space elements in your overall community that are going to be really | 01:56:21 | |
important is obviously Geneva Park and the true problem out there is and the lake, those are kind of the more public areas. These | 01:56:28 | |
courtyards are really, really important every year, right, Because they're going to have a lot of different elements that will act | 01:56:34 | |
in the neighborhood community and these are obviously the corridors just. | 01:56:41 | |
The paseo is this. | 01:56:48 | |
So everyone can have that pedestrian. | 01:56:52 | |
The courtyards will be gated. | 01:56:55 | |
Most of their stuff will be open, but most of those will be private for. | 01:56:59 | |
But anyone that lives in the community can go in probably all of the different courtyards, and we're gonna have different | 01:57:03 | |
experiences and watch the balls out, some other things than others. | 01:57:07 | |
Kind of creating this overall neighborhood here. | 01:57:13 | |
So here's our building elevations. | 01:57:18 | |
Lots of Rick you can see here. I think there's a rendering maybe below these. | 01:57:22 | |
Yeah, there you go. So I mean. | 01:57:32 | |
Much different architecture than you see anywhere in Utah. | 01:57:35 | |
We're really excited to create a place that has never been built before in Utah and we think that. | 01:57:39 | |
You know the restart here to justify building a building like this here today. We think long term as we create this sense of place | 01:57:45 | |
that will be somewhere where. | 01:57:50 | |
People will want to live. | 01:57:56 | |
This is all rentals or is any of this condos? This project here is rentals. There will definitely be. | 01:58:01 | |
So how did you get an idea of looking field of the community? | 01:58:17 | |
Is that the auto court? What that little drive right there, the gate, OK. | 01:58:23 | |
So that goes into the auto port. We've got those apartments here, dude. He's probably a lot better than this. | 01:58:28 | |
Probably wondering why he's not doing. | 01:58:33 | |
So here's the Paseo. As you're going into the Paseo, it's narrowed down. It works for the fire. We had to work with fire pretty | 01:58:39 | |
closely to make sure they could get their clearances to get far enough in. | 01:58:45 | |
Before it became not a driveable area. So there may be some volumes here, but at the opening here to make sure no one's driving | 01:58:51 | |
again, but. | 01:58:55 | |
You know, just like, I don't know if you guys saw these at the train station grand opening. | 01:59:01 | |
And one of the basic measures that we need to do is. | 01:59:05 | |
You have to build these things around rails, transit stations, etc. But the third component is something I haven't really thought | 01:59:08 | |
of much before. But you have to have complete neighborhoods in these areas. And that's what we're trying to do here so that we can | 01:59:13 | |
live workforce to play, do everything you want to in the community and all the trails that you have down here S tie into it. It's | 01:59:19 | |
just. | 01:59:24 | |
Bronson and just since we're on this or I'm sorry, Nate when Bronson presented to staff. | 01:59:32 | |
He explained kind of the purpose of some of the landscaping elements to help provide more of a sense of privacy and stuff like I | 01:59:40 | |
don't know if you want to be share that with the plan was pretty good so. | 01:59:44 | |
Jeff's also key things is. | 01:59:50 | |
You want people outside of their houses, but very rarely is it just wide open. And that's for a real, real extrovert that just | 01:59:53 | |
wants to stand outside and stay with knock to anyone that they don't really know. Most people like to be in the public realm that | 02:00:00 | |
have a little feeling of privacy. So you'll see some of the landscaping elements are being elevated up above the Paseo. That's | 02:00:07 | |
encouraging people coming out of their units and being out on the Paseo without actually standing down in the Paseo. | 02:00:14 | |
And the more people that come outside of their units, the more comfortable it is to walk inside the sale. Just as humans, we feel | 02:00:21 | |
a lot more safe. The more people that are around, the safer you feel usually. So that's the intent of some of those landscaping | 02:00:27 | |
elements towards the place. | 02:00:32 | |
And why it always a lot was temperatures you'll see there that's to encourage people to. | 02:00:40 | |
Come out on their on their balconies. | 02:00:45 | |
And we'll obviously get in and workout with this once they've done their review and we're actually talking about specific things | 02:00:56 | |
today, which is kind of a. | 02:00:59 | |
Showing you what what the plan is and see if you have any questions. | 02:01:03 | |
So that that kind of shows the different elements of the courtyards. | 02:01:08 | |
So one of those will be parking like you see in European areas. | 02:01:14 | |
Very simple, not a lot in there besides, so that's also during the day to allow kids to be there playing with, you know that. | 02:01:19 | |
Have some hardscaping and some privacy area for kids to go on recruiting. | 02:01:25 | |
The hearth area up there is going to be a lot a lot simpler and a lot calmer. | 02:01:30 | |
The backyard is a little more active in the highest, the most active. | 02:01:35 | |
With more play features for children, et cetera, as to give every, you know, anyone that lives in this community a little bit of a | 02:01:40 | |
different vibe and feeling in each one. So if you're a little more private. | 02:01:45 | |
Maybe a professional, you'll have kids. Maybe you're in the heart. | 02:01:51 | |
Got kids? Maybe you're over on the hive. And if you want to go in between your backyard? | 02:01:55 | |
Yeah, the Bike Blvd. concept. | 02:02:02 | |
I think that's some of that that we talked a little bit about another proposal, so. | 02:02:07 | |
Yeah. | 02:02:12 | |
The bike Blvd. is just in the in the code the street sections. | 02:02:16 | |
The bikeway and so this will have bike lanes that basically create an interior loop of bike lanes. | 02:02:23 | |
Around the downtown. | 02:02:31 | |
If you keep going through a couple more of these. | 02:02:34 | |
We've got some sections of what those look like. | 02:02:38 | |
His makeup. | 02:02:42 | |
How much is give you an idea of? | 02:02:43 | |
And like like we said, I don't want anyone to get too fixated on landscaping that because that is the one thing that we're still | 02:02:47 | |
working on as we're designing the promenade area as well. We want to make sure these all tied together with the sales and the | 02:02:52 | |
courtyards in the surrounding areas so that we're not replicating things or. | 02:02:57 | |
But this is kind of a. | 02:03:05 | |
Survive currently of these areas. | 02:03:08 | |
So you said it's a temporary parking lot because we don't use the RDA funds for the multi level parking structures. Yeah, yeah, | 02:03:15 | |
yeah. We will come back in and there will be structured parking. It's just trying to create a tax base. | 02:03:23 | |
That then has the ability to start paying back those RDA dollars and we have, we have plenty of graphs so we can surface part | 02:03:32 | |
things for a while while we continue it to shape out the spaces and then we'll come back in. | 02:03:37 | |
But the temporary parking, so I'm assuming I'll will account for how much parking is needed and. | 02:04:14 | |
Also, I think one of the differences of a community like this versus what we're seeing in the other communities and I think the | 02:04:23 | |
residents will start to see this as we develop. | 02:04:27 | |
The problem with parking in the other areas in the city right now is not a function of April parking, it's a function of. | 02:04:33 | |
Too many people living in units and over parking the areas that were designed that. | 02:04:40 | |
I mean every unit you have. | 02:04:45 | |
Has garages for the most part or ample guest parking. It's when you get 2345 cars per unit and. | 02:04:48 | |
You know you can never. | 02:04:57 | |
Never have enough parking, That's the way things go. So parking here will be very monitored and enforced for residents so that so | 02:04:59 | |
that that doesn't become an issue. | 02:05:04 | |
Is that is that through just the rental contract? | 02:05:09 | |
It's in the code as well. So when we rewrote the code, that was one of the things that would that we developers were, you know, | 02:05:13 | |
what worked really well with Hassan is that once you hit the threshold of 500 units, then it allows us to to have them hire a | 02:05:20 | |
parking consultant who would then analyze the current parking conditions. And that would be a report submitted to myself and to | 02:05:27 | |
Nassim. And then we would be able to analyze it and then provides the City Council the ability. | 02:05:34 | |
To to up the parking requirements if you know if if it's shown. | 02:05:41 | |
On this site that that it's it's under park and so it definitely puts them it's in their best interest being the managers and and | 02:05:47 | |
you know, the management company to be able to to try and manage the the the parking at a really high level. | 02:05:54 | |
So. | 02:06:02 | |
Sorry, I should have probably not jumped up and started talking to. | 02:06:05 | |
One of the things I just wanted to touch basically as we're talking about all these spaces, which is something that we've done a | 02:06:10 | |
lot of projects and this is super unique where we're designing this project to be a project and we're not. We're attaching on to | 02:06:16 | |
and building a community around. So creating these open public spaces where everything in the future is also going to have more | 02:06:22 | |
parks, more open public spaces, more ways for people with access, kind of continuing diverse set of communities and central | 02:06:27 | |
community. | 02:06:33 | |
When it comes to things like the parking and you're saying? | 02:06:40 | |
You know, you're worried about how the parking is going to be used. We are too because we actually have to go and build in those | 02:06:42 | |
those parking lot. | 02:06:45 | |
Future and make sure that our communities. | 02:06:49 | |
Managing that parking appropriately, not burning kind of our existing community or future about this stuff. | 02:06:51 | |
The other kind of fun thing here, which is just we've never done before, is. | 02:06:57 | |
Everything, everything you see on all these plants, the ground floor units don't have always behind them. So in these when these | 02:07:01 | |
residents are stepping out with them now taking their trash out, going to do anything, they're not walking through a hallway to go | 02:07:07 | |
to the algorithm or trash room and actually have to walk out to the sidewalk. | 02:07:12 | |
All of the front doors, everywhere, lighting all of these days, even in the courtyards or the front doors, 40 minutes. | 02:07:18 | |
So we think this is a really good way to bring people out into these open spaces, attacking them, using get to know the papers, | 02:07:25 | |
see people walking. I think you'll see it when this projects open and actually be lived in. This is probably one of the more | 02:07:31 | |
pedestrian and you know, they're just going to be people in and out of the building at all different sites. | 02:07:36 | |
It's going to be really very important, so. | 02:07:43 | |
I think as we're looking at a lot of nice amenities that are lined by those kinds of units, it's a lot of questions. OK, well, how | 02:07:46 | |
loud can this be? Because these are people's front doors that are directly hooked and there's not a private space between that | 02:07:51 | |
front door and one person. These other uses are so. | 02:07:56 | |
Reasons why we need to make sure the last evening is automatic is. | 02:08:01 | |
You know, we really wanted to look at each one of these kind of situations and make sure that we have the right type of firm, the | 02:08:06 | |
right type of trees or or whatever that those barriers are to still feel the part of the community because they're building the | 02:08:10 | |
separation and then. | 02:08:14 | |
You know, so it is a work in process, but it's really, really exciting project and we're. | 02:08:18 | |
Taking a lot of risk on some of these types of units, different ways of living and different ways of access. And this auto parts a | 02:08:24 | |
great example. Everybody living in this building can go driving the artwork, pick something out or drop it out for a second while | 02:08:29 | |
they run groceries up to the floor. | 02:08:34 | |
You know. | 02:08:40 | |
Very different kind of amenity that's just not seen before, so. | 02:08:46 | |
I don't want to labor too much, but it's it's a really exciting project with a lot of a lot of new, new and different kind of | 02:08:51 | |
innovative things that are coming at it. | 02:08:54 | |
At the same time, we need to get going and get in construction and start doing it. So when we're talking about deferring plans or | 02:08:59 | |
as things are going to be continuing to be submitted to millions, just in the effort to try and get these things as right as we | 02:09:04 | |
can. That's also been in the construction and moving on to the next project and coming up with the next ideas of how we can make | 02:09:09 | |
this community better. | 02:09:14 | |
And I will say to people that are still commenting on density and parking. | 02:09:20 | |
They can call our office and even ask for me. So you can comment there and say because genuinely like I'd love to talk. I mean, I | 02:09:25 | |
can go for hours now because that's my life. I got three kids and one of them is Vineyard. And it's just going to be so unique. I | 02:09:33 | |
I'd love to show people this because the vision of what people usually have in Utah of what density is, is not good. And so that's | 02:09:40 | |
why they're pushing back on some of these things. And I think if they see. | 02:09:47 | |
The overall vision of what we're trying to do, it has to work like Max's. I mean, we're here for the long haul. This isn't just | 02:09:55 | |
like that. We're going to lease this thing up and sell it. We're going to own this thing forever. | 02:10:00 | |
And so we have to make sure parts are right, parking right. | 02:10:05 | |
You know, accessing analysis, it's really, really important to us to get this right. | 02:10:09 | |
With you, I mean, I think our vision, that's one thing we try to do in all of our agreements. Anything we've ever done in the city | 02:10:14 | |
has tried to align our interest with yours and the residents so that it is an incredible place to live. No matter where you live | 02:10:20 | |
in the state, whether you live on a $5,000,000 house on the lake or you live in a studio apartment in downtown. Like we want it to | 02:10:26 | |
be incredible for everyone and everyone in between them. So I just like a plantarian, really kind of applaud. | 02:10:32 | |
Flagborough for what, what they're doing with this first phase of kind of taking some, some risks and trying some unique things | 02:10:40 | |
because it'll be interesting to see how some of these amenities work. And these aren't things that you're you're typically going | 02:10:45 | |
to see. And I, I haven't really heard of that anywhere in Utah and it'll be neat to see that in phase one. | 02:10:51 | |
And you know, I'm sure if it's successful, that's something that you could duplicate throughout the project. | 02:10:57 | |
And we're going to, we're going to, I think we've been so methodical that people are going to actually prefer this over other ways | 02:11:03 | |
of living and. | 02:11:06 | |
She's gonna be a healthier. | 02:11:11 | |
I've seen you guys expect to start putting in kinds of retail and stuff like that. | 02:11:15 | |
We're talking with retailers right now, so we'll hope to have at least some larger retail uses in the next, probably 30 to 45. | 02:11:21 | |
Cool. | 02:11:33 | |
You know when you're doing those. | 02:11:38 | |
There's a lot of different types of users, different times a day that they use in the space you're doing the. | 02:11:44 | |
Still the same amount of space, and so it just takes a little bit more time to really get those walks right. | 02:11:53 | |
And really want to rush in that want to make sure that downtown is done really well. That said, we've got to get some of these | 02:11:58 | |
current tenants. We're really working on going. So we are rushing as quickly, as quickly as probably nothing is enjoying how much | 02:12:04 | |
better working on this right now. But I think our downtown project is going to be really, really cool. But at the same time, each | 02:12:10 | |
of these phases. So if you give me the plans here at the corner of the Ink building is actually designed for long term. | 02:12:16 | |
As a pre strap as ventilation room, it's as temple and hiding clear to be a nice, nice restaurant has outdoor seating spaces, but | 02:12:24 | |
there's really not market for it now. And so in this phase we'll we'll use that for a period of time. So we'll go down and it'll | 02:12:30 | |
be kind of an active retail looking space for a period of time. | 02:12:37 | |
But as we build out more amenities in future, that's perfect. It's built as retailer. We paid the extra money to make sure it has | 02:12:44 | |
all the requirements. | 02:12:47 | |
Work as a restaurant on the park, right on the park. | 02:12:52 | |
Come back, you know, five years from now and have these quarters restaurants. | 02:13:25 | |
Cool. Yeah, that's awesome. It's. | 02:13:37 | |
Cool to hear about how you're phasing it but putting it all in at the same time it's. | 02:13:39 | |
That's cool. | 02:13:46 | |
These are the street sections they were kind of talking about on so you can keep going. | 02:13:53 | |
Those kind of bikeway going up the promenade. So this is the promenade, you're going to be going up over the overpass. | 02:13:57 | |
Just past these buildings. | 02:14:07 | |
There's a little bit down on the clock. | 02:14:10 | |
Now this is the side street, so the bikeway. | 02:14:15 | |
The bike lane is elevated up on the sidewalk level. | 02:14:19 | |
Then that was going down into the paseo. | 02:14:28 | |
So there are sections that are gated off. | 02:14:39 | |
In the potatoes or OK, Just off of them, OK. | 02:14:42 | |
There's front door, there's front door here to do. So one of the things we're trying to manage is privacy of these units. And this | 02:14:47 | |
is very, you know, like you're going to have a lot. | 02:14:51 | |
Yeah, everyone has to access like their bedroom windows are right here off the Paseo. So trying to manage that a little bit, but | 02:14:57 | |
there are some people that prefer some of that activity. I mean there are cities all over the world that have that. | 02:15:03 | |
Here the courtyards are a little more private than that, So those will be the ones that are gated so that people can feel more | 02:15:10 | |
comfortable leaving bikes outside there. And some of these other kind of public but private elements that there's that they want | 02:15:17 | |
to leave outside but wouldn't feel comfortable for example, just leaving them with the staff for anyone to want so. | 02:15:23 | |
It will be open for all future phases in theory. So here is to continue to build. When you have a friend that's having a dinner | 02:15:31 | |
party or something out of one of those courtyards and pull together a bunch of tables, people, anybody can kind of walk over and | 02:15:36 | |
use their dog and get through the gates. | 02:15:41 | |
So we'll work on access controls and how we're going to handle all this stuff down the line and the ideas to try and. | 02:15:46 | |
1st. | 02:15:52 | |
We have problems, we have to address them. | 02:15:55 | |
That's that's the first design goal is to really try and. | 02:15:58 | |
Community office some reasons why even though there's kind of an island of a project on park really wanted to give the sale | 02:16:01 | |
started just so that people could understand what it is that we're creating. You know, this is going to be connected to additional | 02:16:07 | |
Paseos and experiences to grow. | 02:16:13 | |
Cool. | 02:16:20 | |
So this is going into. | 02:16:22 | |
Figure 8. Building is block 6. | 02:16:25 | |
So. | 02:16:28 | |
Sorry. | 02:16:30 | |
Thanks, Mr. Grandma, When you're asking about the the temporary parking that's kind of received, I can decide. | 02:16:34 | |
And then maybe go back one slide, right? | 02:16:40 | |
That's kind of the temporary parking fitness that we're talking about, but but sufficient to need to code them. So we're not | 02:16:43 | |
asking for any reduction of any parking. It's just. | 02:16:48 | |
The way the parking is going to be, their dials surface versus structure. | 02:16:53 | |
Of the entire future, come back from construction. | 02:16:58 | |
Buildings on top. | 02:17:02 | |
Which will be really cool because we really want you know, you'll have these are four story buildings and if you put. | 02:17:03 | |
Six story buildings on top of two or three decks of parking lot. 7 or 8 story buildings may be taller behind these buildings, | 02:17:11 | |
looking down over these buildings into the park. | 02:17:16 | |
Could pass for a really cool. | 02:17:23 | |
Overall experience in the park. | 02:17:25 | |
One of Jeff specs big things is, you know, I talked a little bit briefly. | 02:17:28 | |
Feeling safe the more people that are there. One of his other big things is you feel safe as you're enclosed, but it can't feel | 02:17:34 | |
too enclosed because then if you're like in a Canyon. So there's like proportions of how light things are. So remember when we | 02:17:40 | |
went through the process of doing the problem, not itself and how wide it was? A lot of the building heights along the park are | 02:17:47 | |
designed after those elements to make people that are inside the park and inside the sales feel more safe. | 02:17:54 | |
In the pedestrian. | 02:18:01 | |
I think it's one more kind of thing we're trying to play with in these blocks is really creating that urban feel. It really feels | 02:18:03 | |
like multiple buildings as you're going to be walking down complete changes of materials. They're not just, you know, you'll see | 02:18:08 | |
changes in materials, other apartment buildings, but very rarely do people go through the added cost of breaking up the roof line. | 02:18:12 | |
Big list and so. | 02:18:17 | |
The corner of our building will appear a little bit taller than that. Top floor is actually a little bit taller. So it kind of has | 02:18:22 | |
that red brick building goes like you. | 02:18:26 | |
It's almost a separate building. You kind of see the retail on the ground floor of that, that building where that space would be. | 02:18:29 | |
And then if you go back to that previous page real quick. | 02:18:36 | |
So just continuations of all those facades, you want to kind of keep these courtyards as bright and clean as possible so that the | 02:19:10 | |
all of the focus is what's happening down well, not necessarily looking out people. | 02:19:16 | |
Such as lighter and brighter and center. | 02:19:22 | |
It's just a, it's a really cool project and the fun part about this is all the work that we're doing to try and plan around. OK, | 02:19:28 | |
so the next days as this project comes in, where did the next level of menus go? | 02:19:33 | |
How do you park it? | 02:19:38 | |
Start piercing together. I think it's going to be exciting for everybody to see. So that's the that's the kind of more of the | 02:19:42 | |
heart area, the more private. | 02:19:47 | |
Quiet courtyard, kind of like the outdoor coffee shop or outdoor, you know, place that you're going to go out and sit down, sit on | 02:19:54 | |
the laptop, maybe you pull the tables together and have a, you know, a little dinner, dinner party kind of thing. | 02:20:00 | |
But it's really meant to be less of like a play space, you know, fire and what we're kind of doing every night, lighting. | 02:20:08 | |
Then the backyard has more of those play elements, not quite as active as the Hive, but it's probably a little too urban still. | 02:20:17 | |
We're still working on how all this stuff comes together. And so they'll get too fixated on it, but the idea is this is supposed | 02:20:23 | |
to be a backyard. It's not too much overdone, but there's grilling elements, there's grass fields, there's places for people to | 02:20:29 | |
play, there's places to sit down and, you know, do something, but it's not necessarily as kind of. | 02:20:36 | |
Telling you what you're supposed to do in that space when you're. | 02:20:43 | |
You kind of use it for what it is. | 02:20:46 | |
This is the This is the road that actually wraps around the grave building. | 02:20:51 | |
This road will have vehicular access. We need that to be able to drive cars on this, to manage future access to parking | 02:20:55 | |
structures. But it's designed for pedestrian first by far. So the way the trees are oriented, the paving, the lighting, everything | 02:21:01 | |
will be telling drivers they need to slow down because it's going to be tighter, it's going to feel different, probably won't have | 02:21:07 | |
followers there. It's just an older picture. But the idea is that again, even though. | 02:21:14 | |
The temporary parking lots are temporary. This road, these road conditions are not temporary. So we're trying to make our, you | 02:21:21 | |
know. | 02:21:23 | |
You get those right? Can we go back to that one fish? Sorry, this one. | 02:21:27 | |
Parking. Yeah, this shows. | 02:21:41 | |
No. | 02:21:44 | |
Yeah. | 02:21:46 | |
Not try to sneak that, you know, that's but nothing even passed us tonight. So yeah, there's the minimum parking. We need it. | 02:21:48 | |
That's what we have. | 02:21:52 | |
So that's all the time. | 02:22:00 | |
Edgewater and the Preserve, and so this will hopefully be able to model more after those professionally managed. | 02:22:34 | |
Developments rather than the owner occupied ones. | 02:22:43 | |
Last thing I'll say and then ask questions or whatever is happening, but I just wanted to tell you all. Thank you. We've been down | 02:22:48 | |
here for a long time. | 02:22:53 | |
And we didn't know you at first. You didn't know us. It's taking a lot of trust. I think you gave some trust in that we hadn't | 02:22:58 | |
heard and. | 02:23:01 | |
You know, vice versa, not vice versa. | 02:23:05 | |
But I think like, you know, we had to get. | 02:23:12 | |
We have to really get to know each other and I hope that what you're seeing here is the vision of it's been a lot of years of | 02:23:17 | |
vision and there's been a lot of concern about what will happen downtown. We'll build out how, you know, this higher end | 02:23:24 | |
pedestrian experience that everybody's wanted for so long. We spent a lot of time on this first phase. It's, you know, certainly | 02:23:31 | |
as it gets done, there might be a thing or two of which we have to meet. But the good news is we'll be able to kind of. | 02:23:38 | |
Hone in on those things and fix them. Hopefully there's not too many because we've spent a lot of time and a lot of money on some | 02:23:46 | |
of the best architects and land planners and urban designers in the world and walkability experts. | 02:23:51 | |
I just want to say thanks like this is been a lot of years. It's been a pleasure working with all of you. | 02:23:57 | |
You know, sometimes we disagree and sometimes we still probably disagree more in the future, but I just wanted to tell you thanks | 02:24:04 | |
for working with us and trusting us to hopefully bring some of the city that all the residents at some point will be dropped. I | 02:24:09 | |
understand we're going to have to still earn some trust with a lot of people, but hopefully we're building a community at some | 02:24:14 | |
point. They'll even go down to this section. | 02:24:19 | |
So a question I have. | 02:24:27 | |
And Nathan Brunson, it's it's about trust. | 02:24:30 | |
And what I thought were promises made in the past that maybe I don't see currently. | 02:24:33 | |
I don't see anything relating to the history or heritage of Vineyard and I had thought that along the Paseo especially, we were | 02:24:39 | |
going to make a big effort to try to celebrate and remember the heritage of Vineyard. | 02:24:45 | |
And whether it was in the park benches or in the lighting poles or the trash cans or vineyards growing and I'm, I'm hoping that we | 02:24:51 | |
haven't lost that. I just don't see that in what you've presented tonight along with Paseo. | 02:24:59 | |
Yeah. So maybe 11 clarification. So when we're there's kind of Brian, if you can maybe go back to one of the slides that kind of | 02:25:07 | |
shows an overall picture. | 02:25:12 | |
There's kind of three different open space types. There's. | 02:25:18 | |
The primary one is the Lake Promenade. And Tim, I think that's where you and I have talked about. | 02:25:22 | |
Historical references in the Promenade. | 02:25:28 | |
There's definitely opportunities in the so that the sales are kind of the next step down. These are those pedestrian connections. | 02:25:32 | |
They're they're public, it's open space. And then the third are these courtyards. And I think there's definitely opportunities in | 02:25:40 | |
those to capture some of the history. | 02:25:45 | |
Whether it's, you know, more subtle. | 02:25:51 | |
Or it could be. | 02:25:54 | |
Maybe not as subtle and there's maybe. | 02:25:57 | |
Story but I think what you and I were talking about is along the promenade which these plans are, we haven't go into the | 02:26:02 | |
promenade, we are working on that but. | 02:26:07 | |
These So there's two site applications, site plan applications. There's one for block 5 and block sticks. And we will be breaking | 02:26:14 | |
one in the lake promenade, that open space that connects the train station to the lake. Yeah, that's when I've had the most | 02:26:21 | |
interest in not so much in the courtyards and things, but where the public will be accessing the train and the lake and walking by | 02:26:27 | |
and seeing and sitting on the benches or throwing their trash in the trash can or whatever. | 02:26:34 | |
I just like to see us be able to have a historical representation there. | 02:26:42 | |
So that those those are not been locked over. Then you still have my trust. Don't don't break it. | 02:26:46 | |
I think it's great, and honestly I was skeptical in the beginning. I've been here since all of it pretty much. But the more as | 02:26:55 | |
time goes on and the more plans keep coming forward and stuff, the more excited I am about it. I think it's going to be awesome. | 02:27:06 | |
And yeah, I'm excited to see more stuff and. | 02:27:18 | |
I think it's great. | 02:27:21 | |
I've been saying for the last couple of years that I'm. | 02:27:25 | |
Like I'm staying in Vineyard to see the Stanton through. | 02:27:28 | |
And then as soon as the developer breaks my heart, I got to move. But I mean, so far, so far so good. So. | 02:27:33 | |
That was my line. | 02:27:42 | |
Cool. | 02:27:46 | |
Correlation and causation mean that. | 02:27:51 | |
Far as she moves into your project, you did a really good job. I mean that's my my hope is to want to live there so. | 02:27:54 | |
Thank you guys so much. | 02:28:02 | |
Look forward to it. Yeah, thanks. | 02:28:08 | |
It's not really a public comment. I'm sorry. Yeah. Yeah, you can. You can talk to him out there. | 02:28:13 | |
Yeah. | 02:28:25 | |
For the record, we got to download the slide and put it into the folder, so. | 02:28:28 | |
OK, great. Yeah, I was gonna ask if those will be publicly available and what they shared. Yeah, they they they'll they'll be in | 02:28:35 | |
like the folder. So someone does a grammar request, but what, what, what we'll do is we probably would whatever like we'll, we'll | 02:28:42 | |
get the official one as part of the staff report and that that we made available to the publisher website. | 02:28:48 | |
So the comment I was going to make is I was going to suggest that we postpone the discussion of the work session of 6.1 and 6.2 | 02:28:58 | |
until next meeting. The night has been awfully long. I'm tired and I'm just throwing that out. I'm old, so. | 02:29:07 | |
It's going to be fairly simple. We can modify it obviously later. It's living breathing document, but we, we do need to have it, | 02:29:47 | |
you know, approved and so we can report 100%. So, so would our next meeting be the right time? Would that be the first Wednesday | 02:29:53 | |
of September? Yeah, most likely we'll do on September 7th. We'll we'll do the public hearing for the moderate income housing | 02:29:59 | |
element. | 02:30:05 | |
That the heritage element can take longer. We, we, we can do full because I know you guys want to do more public involvement in | 02:30:12 | |
that section. | 02:30:15 | |
And so we'll take a little longer on that one to get the public involved, get the heritage technician more involved and then, but | 02:30:18 | |
at least on the 7th, we'll do the public hearing for the moderate income housing to meet the deadlines for the reporting. OK, | 02:30:23 | |
cool. Well, and I was going to suggest about the heritage portion. | 02:30:28 | |
What we were going to deny was just talk about the changes. Yeah, we can do a work session over that element, but we'll do the | 02:30:34 | |
public hearing for the moderate income because there's no reason put it off longer than that. Right. Thank you. Yeah, I'll make a | 02:30:41 | |
motion to continue item 6.1 and 6.2 in the work session to our next week. Do I have a second? I second that. All in favor, Aye. | 02:30:48 | |
All right. | 02:30:55 | |
Commission member reports and ex parte discussion and disclosure or anything? | 02:31:02 | |
Nothing. | 02:31:07 | |
Just real quick, if any of you do want to go to the Utah EPA meeting in September, it's the 8th and 9th I believe. Let me know | 02:31:09 | |
sooner than later and I'll get you a ticket to go. It's in Lehigh with the local 1 and we could do a one day pass as well. So it's | 02:31:14 | |
Thursday and a Friday, Yeah. Do they have a schedule up yet? There is on the Utah IPA website they have a schedule. The cash can | 02:31:20 | |
be sent on a link so they can just get it directly. | 02:31:25 | |
In the next few days and I'll get you that ticket if you want to go. Yeah, we know you're all busy. If, if a couple of you could | 02:31:33 | |
go, we, we would love to, to be able to, you know, you guys are doing great, but we'd love to just continue the education and | 02:31:37 | |
stuff. It's, it's going to be a really good conference this year. | 02:31:42 | |
Great. Just a couple of things. The train station is open and the pathway to the train station under the 800 N is open. So cool. | 02:31:46 | |
Nothing from staff, nothing else from. | 02:31:52 | |
Bicycle Advisory Commission meeting at 5:30 and Lise Anderson with PCs in a Rockefeller, kind of where we are with the Corridor | 02:32:00 | |
plan. The Central Open Space Coral plan is going to tell us about some of the programming that's been considered and some of the | 02:32:07 | |
next steps and post involvements. So it'd be good if you want to be informed on the plan. | 02:32:13 | |
Yeah, cool. And that's for the wetland area in the middle of the city. 75 acres. Yeah. | 02:32:20 | |
Anything else from staff? | 02:32:27 | |
Yes. | 02:32:29 | |
OK. | 02:32:31 | |
I got short hands. | 02:32:36 | |
So, uh. | 02:32:37 | |
Reference room. | 02:32:40 | |
Make the Robinsons. | 02:32:43 | |
Just a quick update, other than the frontline station being open and, you know, a lot of lots of things coming together. Awesome, | 02:32:47 | |
awesome efforts from from people that currently from a lot of people, not just again, not just people that like not just not just | 02:32:54 | |
say staff, but the developers need art was was working through it through the weekend. | 02:33:01 | |
ETA was working through the weekend and through. | 02:33:09 | |
Throughout the evening, I would also want to make sure that the that is not something that definitely happens overnight, that | 02:33:12 | |
happens over years and years of planning, design, engineering and so forth. So definitely our group efforts coming together. So I | 02:33:20 | |
just want to, you know, emphasize that point that that by no means is that they're small feet and stuff. | 02:33:27 | |
The other item just offer Plan Commission's situational awareness is a received designs for this traffic signal of 400 N and Main | 02:33:36 | |
Street late last week. So we're moving forward on that as well as moving forward on that in terms of construction season, putting | 02:33:44 | |
out the construction kind of based on temperament of the. | 02:33:52 | |
Contractor economy and so or contract contractors, Yeah, it may be several months before. | 02:34:02 | |
You know, it gets built depending on availability, contract availability materials. Also, I believe, I don't believe it will stay, | 02:34:10 | |
but the city received about $830,000 from federal grant in terms of pedestrian enhancements for pedestrian enhancements at Center | 02:34:17 | |
Street by. | 02:34:25 | |
Franklin. | 02:34:34 | |
Can that hawk be repurposed? Not really the one that's already in on that certain parts of it can be repurposed, like for example, | 02:34:36 | |
the post can be repurposed to the the arm may or may not be. But again, we'll we'll utilize it as best as possible about maybe | 02:34:45 | |
obstacle course as well now, but by the opposite repurposing as much as possible. | 02:34:53 | |
Obviously being cost conscious, but a federal grant? | 02:35:03 | |
Was given for the for crossings for center St. another one for 400 S for to enhance pedestrians crossing as well As for school | 02:35:06 | |
children as well. The other thing too. That's that's pretty interesting. I know that Lakeside park in Orem that's in the little | 02:35:14 | |
pocket between Vineyard. The the the drive access is offset from what's that road that has its heads for the South, but there's an | 02:35:21 | |
offset there and there's been conflicts with left hand turns. | 02:35:28 | |
So this is an opportunity for us to to align that as an intersection to just create a just more safe environment there, plus | 02:35:36 | |
provide the pedestrian crossing. And so how how we sold it to Mag with that it's it's connecting to to the front corner station, | 02:35:42 | |
which it is that makes kind of a. | 02:35:48 | |
With those two crossings, it helps obviously the children with the schools, but also just people heading up to the downtown and | 02:35:54 | |
connecting to our park system. So we're pretty excited about creating just another NS, you know, safe route for the city. Cool. | 02:36:02 | |
Great. All right, that is one more, one more. Yeah, just, you got just, uh, again, just for those that are staying at the Geneva | 02:36:11 | |
Bridge overpass has a missing piece to it. I'm sure a lot of people have noticed that, but you dot is they're working on emergency | 02:36:19 | |
repair and plan on starting construction in October for repairs. | 02:36:28 | |
With plans to complete it in January. Again, that's where their plan is. So it's almost it's a repair with sight unseen to | 02:36:37 | |
determine if the exact extent. | 02:36:42 | |
Of what they would have to do to make your repairs. So if it may have, I mean, so when I say January, maybe February, just | 02:36:47 | |
depending on the extent of that. But D dot is monitoring at constantly is monitoring it to ensure that everything is remaining | 02:36:53 | |
safe. So if that comes up, you got this over. | 02:36:59 | |
All right. | 02:37:07 | |
Nothing else from staff. | 02:37:08 | |
If not, then we will adjourn the meeting. Thanks everybody. | 02:37:10 | |
Long one. | 02:37:17 |
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All right, welcome everybody. It is August 17th and this is the Vineyard Planning Commission meeting. It is 6:01 PM and we're | 00:00:05 | |
going to start, Chris is going to give us an. | 00:00:10 | |
It's are we gonna give up? Yeah, I'm gonna, I'm gonna give us a little inspirational lesson. Last time we did property rights. | 00:00:18 | |
Today we're gonna do records management and the importance of records management as part of our Planning Commission duties. So, so | 00:00:23 | |
on the Planning Commission. And this is part of what I do in my state work, but it's pertinent to all governments in the state of | 00:00:28 | |
Utah. | 00:00:34 | |
Accountability and transparency is imperative to everything we do. The public needs to know what are we doing, how are we coming | 00:00:39 | |
to the decisions we come to and ensure that there's not arbitrary and capricious decision making. We are very open with what we do | 00:00:45 | |
and, and also my Commission and employees here, the public reaches out all the time and asks us questions or makes comments or ask | 00:00:51 | |
for guidance. So when it comes to to record management, that's the core of it. That's how the public can hold us accountable by | 00:00:57 | |
submitting grammar requests. | 00:01:03 | |
In the state of Utah. So I was going to go ahead and just read quickly here of what is a record. | 00:01:09 | |
So a record, and this is from grandma, means a book, letter, document, paper, map, planned photograph, film, card, tape recording, | 00:01:15 | |
electronic data or other document, documentary material. Material, regardless of physical form or characteristic, that is | 00:01:22 | |
prepared, owned, received, or retained by a government entity or political subdivision, and where all the information in the | 00:01:30 | |
original is reproducible by photocopy or other mechanical or electronic means. | 00:01:37 | |
So here on the, on the Planning Commission and, and, and just local government in general, most of the data we deal with is, is | 00:01:44 | |
electronic and format. We get emails, we get communications. One thing that we need to keep in mind is we're not the records | 00:01:50 | |
officers of the city of Vineyard City likely has a chief administrator and, and some certified records officer that's gone through | 00:01:56 | |
the state records management certification and they make the determinations of what's a record. So it's important that we don't | 00:02:02 | |
delete. | 00:02:08 | |
Emails, we don't delete documents, we don't delete communications because it's all subject to grammar requests. One of the unique | 00:02:14 | |
things on the Commission here is we don't use a Vineyard e-mail address. We've created Vineyard ask e-mail addresses that are in | 00:02:20 | |
Grandma, but it's important that we properly maintain that and all the records in that too, because that is under the jurisdiction | 00:02:26 | |
of the city of Vineyard. How we set it up and any communications we get there, it's up to the records officer to determine what | 00:02:32 | |
should be deleted and what the. | 00:02:38 | |
Schedules are for that. So, so in essence, make sure we properly maintain records, that there's a history that can be properly | 00:02:44 | |
maintained and archived because while it may not have value now, we don't know if thirty, 4050 years from now, our decisions we | 00:02:50 | |
make today can have impacts on the property rights of those we serve. | 00:02:55 | |
Thank you. Should we have vineyards? | 00:03:03 | |
E-mail addresses like maybe that's a discussion. So I will say speaking professionally, because this is, this is what I do in my | 00:03:07 | |
work every day, the decisions that most of the communications we get are very basic. In general, they come from Vineyard City to | 00:03:13 | |
us. So they have a record already coming from the employees of what they've sent us. But if we do any communications between US | 00:03:19 | |
and others not in Vineyard City where they may automatically be archiving them, that's a valid question to raise if as long as | 00:03:25 | |
we're not. | 00:03:31 | |
Deleting emails, though, we, you know, Vineyard can get access to them, but we just make sure we're properly maintaining the | 00:03:37 | |
records that we have so, so the public can congratulate us and see what's doing. I believe so. What Pam did is she had us. | 00:03:43 | |
Give you guys all a Gmail right account and I think you guys all have the same password, but let's not say that. | 00:03:50 | |
Well, it's supposed to be wide open for everyone. And so that was the idea is that anything that's in there is supposed to be | 00:04:00 | |
super transparent. You're supposed to be able to, I don't know if you guys all have the same password or not, but but Pam is | 00:04:06 | |
supposed to like control that. So if she gets a grammar request, she can grab whatever is in that e-mail and just and just forward | 00:04:12 | |
it over. So I would say, especially with that e-mail, keep it very, you know, professional when you know, I'd keep your. | 00:04:19 | |
The private life stuff out of it. | 00:04:26 | |
I guess I have a question even though this is a thought. Do I save it for later? | 00:04:29 | |
Oh, no, we can. Yeah. This is all on the same line. OK. I'm just wondering, like, who is your e-mail provider service? | 00:04:34 | |
Who is that through? It's we're just running it through. Oh no, the the Planning Commission. So we yeah, city of Vineyard. | 00:04:43 | |
We use Outlook. We still have Outlook. Microsoft. We could consider having a shared mailbox for the Planning Commission. | 00:04:52 | |
And. | 00:05:01 | |
I shouldn't add money or require a life. This is something I can start a conversation with Pam or recorder and then see what, what | 00:05:03 | |
she'd like to do to proceed. I've, I've heard her say something along the lines of we should change how we do the e-mail system. | 00:05:10 | |
And so I'll, I'll reach out and hopefully be able to follow up with you guys next Planning Commission meeting. Yeah, I think | 00:05:17 | |
everyone had in the past emails through like the city outlook that gives like this official city e-mail. | 00:05:24 | |
But I, I can't remember, I think it like cost like some money and as we have so that's why she went to Gmail. | 00:05:32 | |
Yeah, Yeah. What I'm talking about wouldn't require a paid license or anything. So if you want to talk to me about that later, | 00:05:39 | |
please, please do. Yeah, cash if you could. You want to translate that over to Pam. | 00:05:46 | |
All right. And Tim would like to give an invocation as well. | 00:05:55 | |
Our Father in Heaven, we're thankful for this opportunity to be here tonight. We recognize with humility the responsibility placed | 00:06:02 | |
upon our shoulders and. | 00:06:06 | |
We pray that we will have thy direction and guidance and the decisions and conversations that we have tonight. We're grateful for | 00:06:11 | |
this community. | 00:06:15 | |
And for those who have come before that allow us to enjoy living here and working and and being involved in the commerce of the | 00:06:19 | |
community. We're grateful for all of those who have given so much over the years to help to provide the freedoms that we enjoy. We | 00:06:25 | |
pray that we will do all that we can within our parameters to be able to help to maintain those in this way. You humbly pray and | 00:06:31 | |
thank you for. | 00:06:37 | |
In the name of Jesus Christ, Amen. Amen. Thank you, Tim. Thank you, Chris, for that thought. We're moving into an open session. If | 00:06:44 | |
you have any public comments you'd like to make, come to the. | 00:06:49 | |
Podium here. State your name. | 00:06:56 | |
My name is Tyler Hilton. I'm a resident in the. | 00:07:04 | |
I noticed I'm looking through some heritage. | 00:07:08 | |
I noticed that the notice drive here. | 00:07:18 | |
For more than settlers came in, they were not mentioned or not. | 00:07:22 | |
When they were, it was not always terribly favorably. I don't think they're a lot different since then, but as we're kind of | 00:07:28 | |
looking at heritage sites and preserving different buildings, the Timpanogos tribes so instant they're just. | 00:07:34 | |
I think it's Jane County now. I'm on the reservation so I would like to see more. | 00:07:41 | |
At least acknowledging and getting in contact with them, I know. | 00:07:46 |