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| All right. Welcome, everybody. This is the Vineyard Planning Commission meeting. It is Wednesday, February 15th, 2023 and it is | 00:00:11 | |
| 6:00 PM. | 00:00:15 | |
| We will have an inspirational thought Pledge of Allegiance and invocation by Chris. | 00:00:20 | |
| So people can plan and get benefit show use out of their property in a way that still meets the public need for health and safety | 00:00:59 | |
| and other public benefit. With that said, we'll say the Pledge of Allegiance. | 00:01:05 | |
| I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, | 00:01:15 | |
| indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. | 00:01:21 | |
| Our Father in Heaven, we are very grateful that we can gather here tonight as the Vineyard community and meet together as a | 00:01:35 | |
| Planning Commission. Please bless us as we fulfill our duties and our service tonight that we can be mindful of the the purpose | 00:01:42 | |
| that we are here to serve, that we can be mindful of the community that we serve and the rights that the residents of this | 00:01:49 | |
| community have. We're thankful for the opportunity we have to live in this country and many freedoms that. | 00:01:56 | |
| That we have as its citizens we say these things now. Jesus Christ, Amen. | 00:02:03 | |
| Thank you so much. All right, we'll move into an open session. This is a time for public comments, for things that are not | 00:02:08 | |
| currently on the agenda. So if you have. | 00:02:13 | |
| Public comments come to the stand, state your name and try to keep it under 3 minutes. | 00:02:17 | |
| All right. Doesn't look like there are any public comments. So we'll move on to the minutes for review and approval. | 00:02:27 | |
| There's a motion on that. | 00:02:35 | |
| Yeah, I had a chance to read over those for February 1st, so I make a motion to accept the minutes from February 1st 2023 for | 00:02:37 | |
| approval. Sanctuary. Do I have a second? | 00:02:42 | |
| A second. Thanks today. All in favor. Aye. All right. Moving into business items, conditional use permit for Vineyard Auto. | 00:02:47 | |
| Good evening, Planning Commission. I'm Brian Amaya Perez, Senior Planner here with Community Development Department. Just here to | 00:03:05 | |
| introduce the Vineyard Auto site plan and Conditional use permit application. So the address for this parcel, 720 S Geneva Rd. The | 00:03:13 | |
| size is 1.36 acres and it's in the Regional Commercial Zoning District. The applicant is Kai Mitchell and Kyler Spencer. Kai is | 00:03:21 | |
| with Northern Engineering and Kyler Spencer also with Northern Engineering, correct? | 00:03:28 | |
| OK, good. The applicant is requesting approval of site planning conditional use permit for vehicle and equipment sale or rental, | 00:03:38 | |
| new or used light facility. So within the zoning district, this type of use can only be approved through a conditional use permit. | 00:03:44 | |
| So that's why we're running those two applications concurrently. The zoning district was intended to provide for various types of | 00:03:50 | |
| commercial uses and activities. | 00:03:56 | |
| This facility will provide for the sale, lease or rental of new and used. | 00:04:02 | |
| Vehicles including automobiles, trucks, motorcycles, recreational vehicles or boats. | 00:04:09 | |
| The cleaning and routine maintenance of motor vehicles is. | 00:04:14 | |
| And allowed use as an access. | 00:04:17 | |
| And the owner who is here, Pedro Express, he intends to sell used vehicles on the lot and perform that routine maintenance that | 00:04:21 | |
| was described. | 00:04:25 | |
| A stated site measures 1.36 acres. There are currently two buildings that exist on the site. Each of those is intended to be | 00:04:30 | |
| repurposed. | 00:04:34 | |
| The primary building, currently a little house. | 00:04:38 | |
| Yeah. So the house is right here. Thank you. Cash, actually, I'm going to pull up the site plan. Just got to move down to the site | 00:04:43 | |
| plan that's on. | 00:04:47 | |
| Staff report. | 00:04:51 | |
| Give us a little better image here. | 00:04:55 | |
| Yeah. | 00:05:08 | |
| OK, so in this image the never Rd. is off to is on the Northside of on the top side of the page, but actually N, the cardinal | 00:05:12 | |
| direction N is on the left side of the page, so left is north. | 00:05:19 | |
| Up is east to the right of South and the bottom page of the pages West. | 00:05:26 | |
| So the existing building to remain here this this night here is a small is a small house. It measures under 1000 square feet, 984 | 00:05:33 | |
| square feet. | 00:05:38 | |
| And there's a secondary building right here that also says existing building to remain. | 00:05:43 | |
| That one measures 2380 square feet this secondary. So the first building the house is going to be used as the commercial office | 00:05:49 | |
| location where they'll be making the the sale and transactions for the vehicles and then the secondary building is where they'll | 00:05:57 | |
| be doing the work that needs to be performed. And and all that work is not intended to be like heavy usage. It's very routine | 00:06:04 | |
| day-to-day kind of maintenance that needs to be done on on vehicles. | 00:06:11 | |
| All. | 00:06:20 | |
| That is performed in this shop must be done behind closed Bay doors. That's a condition of approval that that we're attaching to | 00:06:21 | |
| the to the plan. | 00:06:26 | |
| The applicant should speak about, and he prevented, any additional preventative measures that would be used to mitigate the impact | 00:06:32 | |
| of noise on adjacent parcels. The the applicant will work with the building department to make sure these buildings meet the | 00:06:37 | |
| requirements of the International Building Code regarding their new uses. | 00:06:42 | |
| This will be addressed when the applicant submits for building permits. I would like to say though, that the applicant has already | 00:06:47 | |
| had a lot of preliminary conversations with the building department. | 00:06:52 | |
| So they've been doing a lot of their due diligence to understand what needs to happen in the next steps in preparation for | 00:06:58 | |
| transforming that use to a commercial from residential to a commercial use. | 00:07:02 | |
| The applicant has met our requirements in the zoning code for open space for interior parking, parking, Lance parking lot, | 00:07:09 | |
| landscaping, site lighting. There is one one element that is not quite in line They their their plans are still showing. I should | 00:07:16 | |
| say the the specifics of the light poles show 22 feet tall light poles and our zoning code only lasts for 20 foot foot high light | 00:07:24 | |
| poles. That's another conditional approval that we need to attach to that. | 00:07:31 | |
| But they meet our requirements for parking at a parking and for bicycle parking. | 00:07:40 | |
| The applicant worked closely with the Orem Fire Marshall to make sure that they that there were proper ingress and egress points, | 00:07:46 | |
| that they were wide enough points and as well as all the proper interior turnarounds for emergency vehicles. | 00:07:52 | |
| The applicant also has been in collaboration with you dot to make sure that they met the requirements and if the applicant later | 00:07:58 | |
| would speak more to that. | 00:08:02 | |
| It's necessary. We could definitely would like to hear that the Afghan has met the requirements for detention basins. There's a | 00:08:08 | |
| detention basin here on the West side of the site. | 00:08:12 | |
| And we have requirements that have to do with slope ratios, clearances at the top of the detention basin and how wide the the | 00:08:17 | |
| floor of the detention basin has to be and they have met those requirements. | 00:08:23 | |
| All plants in their schedule are water wise and got resistant. There are no invasive species listed or any species that are | 00:08:29 | |
| prohibited in the Vintage Tree Landscape Manual and most of the site landscaping and parking lot. Landscaping is comprised of | 00:08:35 | |
| decorative crushed rock with dispersed Evergreen and deciduous shrubs and grasses. | 00:08:41 | |
| Community development staff does recommend approval of the site plan and conditioning this permit as presented with the following | 00:08:48 | |
| conditions of approval and I'm going to skip back to the conditions here. | 00:08:54 | |
| And then after I listed conditions, the applicant is here to answer any questions that the Commission might have. | 00:09:02 | |
| So we have listed the acting paisani, the two. The first two are very standard paying fees, making sure that they're binding boils | 00:09:10 | |
| their local laws. | 00:09:14 | |
| Umm. | 00:09:18 | |
| All work performed in the rear shop building must be done behind closed Bay doors. The light poles cannot exceed 20 feet in | 00:09:19 | |
| height. It shall be the joint and separate responsibility of the owner and release of the principal use, uses, or building to | 00:09:24 | |
| maintain in a need. | 00:09:29 | |
| An adequate manner, the parking space, access ways, striping, landscaping and required fences or screening. | 00:09:34 | |
| Off street parking spaces shall not be utilized for open storage, sale or rental of goods or storage of inoperable vehicles. | 00:09:42 | |
| Except when permitted, the applicant shall meet all bicycle parking requirements. | 00:09:48 | |
| We always kind of tend to throw that one in because there are there's quite a list of bicycle parking requirements and they've | 00:09:55 | |
| met, they've met all of them. We just just the furthest solidify that that needs to be met. No part of any landscape area shall be | 00:10:01 | |
| used for any other use such as parking signs or display. In a previous version of the landscaping plan, there was a a display area | 00:10:07 | |
| for two vehicles within the landscaping along the street frontage. | 00:10:13 | |
| And and we asked the applicant to remove that so so just to be clear there is the landscaping is just to be intended for landscape | 00:10:20 | |
| use not for display vehicles. | 00:10:25 | |
| And then so just to finish Reading 8 except for required on site retention areas or when such use is shown on the approved final | 00:10:32 | |
| landscape. | 00:10:36 | |
| And then finally, the applicant must observe All American with Disabilities Act ADA requirements. | 00:10:40 | |
| And then there are the proposed motions motion, proposed motion, so. | 00:10:47 | |
| Planning Commission, if you guys need any further clarification, myself and the representative for the applicant are here to | 00:10:53 | |
| answer any questions. And Brian if you could, why don't you roll to like the the landscape plan, so the publicans say yes. So any | 00:10:59 | |
| of the associated plans you can just go through those. Gotcha. Thank you, Maureen. | 00:11:05 | |
| Just real quick, is this zoned as regional commercial or is this zoned as business park? It's zoned as regional commercial, yeah. | 00:11:13 | |
| Let's see. | 00:11:25 | |
| Oh, there we go. | 00:11:26 | |
| OK. So this is the landscape plan that is being presented. | 00:11:28 | |
| Do this. | 00:11:33 | |
| Oops, that's not going to. I'm one page down. My apologies. | 00:11:39 | |
| Here we go. | 00:11:52 | |
| OK if. | 00:11:55 | |
| If you guys have questions for Kyle Spencer, he's here to answer any questions. | 00:11:57 | |
| I've got a couple of questions. One's more for staff and just understanding kind of loan prices, just all the adjacent properties, | 00:12:03 | |
| if you just walk us through what's there, that might help. | 00:12:07 | |
| With the use and then I've got some questions. | 00:12:13 | |
| In regards to what's already there with reality auto, so I'll, I'll take that second one. Yeah, after. Sorry real quick. Just to | 00:12:16 | |
| add to that, just looking at the map and our zoning map for the city, is the zoning map for that's on the Vineyard website | 00:12:22 | |
| accurate? You're probably looking at the interactive base map. | 00:12:29 | |
| I'm looking. | 00:12:36 | |
| Yeah, I'll pull up. I'll pull up our zoning map. | 00:12:41 | |
| What's the date? | 00:12:46 | |
| March 2017. | 00:12:47 | |
| Yeah. | 00:12:51 | |
| Sorry. | 00:12:56 | |
| Yeah, so this, this is our zoning. | 00:13:04 | |
| In this area here reflects the regional commercial designation. | 00:13:07 | |
| Yeah, the date is OK. | 00:13:15 | |
| The one I was looking at, I guess it's a little blurred, but I believe this is from March 2022 and we have Agis Consultant on | 00:13:18 | |
| board now and so we should be able to keep our maps consistent. | 00:13:25 | |
| Yeah, you're like at the public based map, it's it shows BP. Yeah, this is one. I remember 2016 went from RC to BP and then a | 00:13:32 | |
| couple years later from BP to RC. It's kind of back and forth. | 00:13:38 | |
| Yeah, sorry about that chair. | 00:13:45 | |
| So to the North and South of it. | 00:13:50 | |
| Not it's not even Vineyard. And then to the West of it is zoned. | 00:13:53 | |
| I believe RE five that's a residential agriculture minimum 5 acre lot size. That's right. | 00:13:59 | |
| And it's regional commercial this out and then and then you have the warm substation. | 00:14:07 | |
| Right there. | 00:14:12 | |
| Alright, that helps. Then yeah, for the applicant, I do have a question. | 00:14:15 | |
| I know Google Maps is certainly not the source of all truth, but. | 00:14:19 | |
| There appears to already be an operation underway there, Reality Auto that's been operating for several months with photos of the | 00:14:24 | |
| dealership underway there. Can you explain? | 00:14:28 | |
| The relationship between Vineyard Auto and Reality Auto and all. | 00:14:33 | |
| Is there a green light? | 00:14:39 | |
| There we go, there we go. Maybe the the property owner might be able to answer your question as far as the current occupant that | 00:14:42 | |
| that's that's actually running a business off of off of the parcel. But as far as the site improvement drawings. | 00:14:49 | |
| And plans that we got here to where we're at today and I could probably answer those a little better but but just just to add to | 00:14:57 | |
| that maybe didn't really have a question with with this but I know working with the staff it's been great working with them and | 00:15:01 | |
| and. | 00:15:06 | |
| Bit of understanding as far as. | 00:15:11 | |
| Proposing a you know a used car dealership on this vacant property and and they come in and to maximize the what we're calling the | 00:15:14 | |
| the showroom floor basically to to park that that car there. | 00:15:21 | |
| And but with that, staff also wanted to emphasize, hey, this is the actual first. | 00:15:28 | |
| Property within Vineyard where the you know the. | 00:15:35 | |
| Cars driving up and down in either Rd. This is where they you know they want to drive through here and not see A. | 00:15:40 | |
| Less than stellar landscape plan and and a site plan here to where you know it'll. | 00:15:50 | |
| Maintained and and up you know basically up kept to the city standards and and I appreciate that because honestly when when they | 00:15:57 | |
| come in the site plan I didn't think that this is going to be the you know the basically the front door to to vineyard for. | 00:16:03 | |
| For that that, that exposure. So you know we worked with PKJ the landscape. | 00:16:11 | |
| At first, we didn't have a landscape architect, and engineers are not the best landscape architect designers. | 00:16:18 | |
| But but I'm grateful for that. Because if you can see this plan and I'm great glad this is the this is what I hope that you see, | 00:16:24 | |
| rather than our bland, boring engineering drawings. | 00:16:29 | |
| But because this, I'm hoping that this is what will really accent the property and parcel and still also complement what they're | 00:16:35 | |
| proposing. The use for is is for the you know, they get the used car. | 00:16:43 | |
| You underst. | 00:16:51 | |
| And Anthony we can share a little bit about you know I mean obviously you see that there's there's cars on site there there there | 00:16:52 | |
| was some some confusion kind of on on on the process. We've been working with Pedro the property owner and the the the, the | 00:16:59 | |
| tenants of the property and so we we informed them when the vehicles were moved over from another. | 00:17:05 | |
| Car sales property in Orem took to this proper. | 00:17:13 | |
| That a conditional use permit in a site plan were required And so we have worked with them, we had them takedown signage, we made | 00:17:16 | |
| them go go through this process. So they were required to actively go through this process and to receive a business license. So | 00:17:22 | |
| yeah, there's definitely been some, some kind of some work and some education from the city and applicant, but they've they've | 00:17:28 | |
| been willing to to to compliance. We're hoping that after tonight we're in compliance or once the business license is issued. So | 00:17:34 | |
| that would be the next step. | 00:17:39 | |
| Any other questions? | 00:17:48 | |
| I think it looks great. I love your landscape plan. | 00:17:53 | |
| I think it's a great spot for a car dealership, personally. | 00:17:56 | |
| Um. | 00:17:59 | |
| Do you have any plans for putting in any kind of fencing or? | 00:18:01 | |
| Walls or anything at the moment, None though. No. | 00:18:06 | |
| I know working with the staff there's a concern with, you know, the the nuisance noise mainly from the shop area in the back and I | 00:18:11 | |
| I believe you know that that's been operating at the shop in the past. | 00:18:17 | |
| They'll continue to use that but also comply with the requirements of closing the the Bay doors. It's not a problem in the winter | 00:18:24 | |
| we want them closed to keep the cold out and warm in. But in the summer months I could see where you know that that the plan there | 00:18:31 | |
| is to also keep the doors shut during the operation and and repair and. | 00:18:38 | |
| Maintenance of the vehicles and it's my understanding also that. | 00:18:45 | |
| Air compressors and everything that. | 00:18:50 | |
| Really irritate. The neighbors are also inside the building as well, so I think we're in, we're in good standings. Awesome. And | 00:18:53 | |
| just kind of note too, there's no existing residential. | 00:18:58 | |
| Uses so you do have the RA five that allows for the one for five acres, but so if you could have potentially put. | 00:19:05 | |
| Someone were to build there, they would know that this is already there. Yeah. Unfortunately the Bay doors faced the east side | 00:19:12 | |
| towards Geneva, so noise would be projecting in the opposite direction. | 00:19:18 | |
| Harmon. | 00:19:24 | |
| For a resident, don't tell him that. | 00:19:26 | |
| Cool. Do I have a motion? | 00:19:29 | |
| Just really quickly as a connection against I believe it's for public hearing and so. | 00:19:34 | |
| No, it doesn't say. | 00:19:39 | |
| Oh, that's really? | 00:19:42 | |
| Never mind. | 00:19:45 | |
| Cool, Yeah. Do you have the condition? Does somebody have? | 00:19:49 | |
| Yes, you want to. | 00:19:56 | |
| Before I I want to read off to some of the staff conditions just for everyone's awareness here. There's nine of them. One is the | 00:20:00 | |
| applicant pays any outstanding fees and makes any red line corrections. The applicant is subject to all federal, state and local | 00:20:05 | |
| laws. All work performed in the rear shop building must be done behind closed Bay doors. Light poles cannot exceed 20 feet in | 00:20:10 | |
| height. | 00:20:15 | |
| It shall be the joint and separate responsibility of owner and or lessee of the principal use, uses, or building, to maintain in a | 00:20:20 | |
| neat and adequate manner, the parking space, accessways, striping, landscaping, and required fences for screening. | 00:20:27 | |
| Off street parking spaces shall not be utilized for open storage, sale or rental of goods. | 00:20:35 | |
| For storage of inappropriate or inoperable vehicles, except when permitted, the Applicant summit all bicycle parking requirements. | 00:20:40 | |
| No part of any landscape area shall be. | 00:20:46 | |
| For any other use, such as parking signs or display, except for required on site retention areas or when such use is shown on the | 00:20:51 | |
| approved final Landscape plan and then the final one is, the applicant must observe all American with Disabilities Act ADA | 00:20:56 | |
| requirements. | 00:21:01 | |
| So having read those, I'll move to approve the site plan and conditional use permit for the Vineyard Auto as presented with the | 00:21:07 | |
| conditions stated. | 00:21:12 | |
| Second, second. All in favor, aye, aye. | 00:21:16 | |
| All right. Thank you, guys. | 00:21:20 | |
| Decided to see everything when it's done. So Pedro, just as next steps. | 00:21:23 | |
| You know, just contact Brian and then what we can start on the business license and I know you've done a little bit on that, but | 00:21:29 | |
| we need to grab that up and you should be good to go. | 00:21:33 | |
| Just like, you know, Pedro. Sorry, you got you. Pardon me. Yeah, sorry. Thank you. | 00:21:39 | |
| Just wanted to take. | 00:21:49 | |
| This opportunity to sincerely thank you the city who has been amazing to work with, being very patient and also willing and and | 00:21:52 | |
| educating. | 00:21:57 | |
| About this process and of course, you know, I've been working with a professional, so I thank you. Just wanted to say thank you so | 00:22:03 | |
| much. Yeah, great. Thanks. We'll try our very best. | 00:22:08 | |
| To make sure that our entrance to Vineyard looks amazing. So thank you again for tuning. We're excited for it. Thank you. Thanks. | 00:22:13 | |
| All right, item 4.2, the water efficiency standards is going to be continued. Do I need to make a motion to continue that? | 00:22:22 | |
| So I have some someone like I'll move to continue item 4.2. | 00:22:30 | |
| March 1st. | 00:22:37 | |
| 4.2 Water Efficiency Standards to our March 1st, 2023 meeting. | 00:22:40 | |
| Second all in favor, aye? | 00:22:50 | |
| All right, moving on to 4.3. A public hearing for zoning text amendment. This will be Brian again. OK, yeah. Brian, Team Planner, | 00:22:53 | |
| This is the Geneva Rd. mixed-use Zoning text amendment. This is submitted as Ordinance 2023-10. | 00:23:01 | |
| The applicant, Jason Bull, with Snell and Wilmer representing X Development or 50 Mil LLC there. | 00:23:09 | |
| Essentially the same company. | 00:23:16 | |
| So the applicant Jason, is proposing to amend the Geneva Rd. mixed-use Special Purpose Zoning District to allow for off-site | 00:23:19 | |
| residential parking as of permitted use. Currently that is not a permitted. | 00:23:26 | |
| So the proposals to make that insert that into the use table and make it something that is allowed within that district. This | 00:23:33 | |
| ordinance modifies. The language pertains to the requirements for landscape buffers and landscaping within set back areas. | 00:23:41 | |
| X Development has been in talks with the city and the Edgewater Apartments on a proposal that would create. | 00:23:48 | |
| Additional parking for the apartment complex within the property located within the GRMU District and owned by X Development. | 00:23:54 | |
| In order for the proposal to work to get that parking. | 00:24:03 | |
| In there and functioning, the use of off site residential parking needs to be added to the permitted use table. Additionally, the | 00:24:07 | |
| landscaping requirements between the residential zoned property and the proposed parking area need to be modified. The applicant's | 00:24:12 | |
| proposal is to add a single add a single use in the permit use table and modify landscape screening standards to fit this unique | 00:24:17 | |
| circumstances. | 00:24:23 | |
| In regards to setbacks, here's the language that is being proposed. So the language that is currently in existence is landscaping. | 00:24:29 | |
| So this is in the setbacks section of the code. | 00:24:35 | |
| Under. | 00:24:43 | |
| A and bullet point. | 00:24:45 | |
| So it currently reads. Landscaping, parking and drive areas are permitted in the rear set back area. | 00:24:48 | |
| What the applicant wants to do is add some further language that says. | 00:24:56 | |
| Landscaping, parking and drive areas are permitted in the rear set back area on lots with a building. | 00:25:00 | |
| On lots with no buildings, so this. | 00:25:08 | |
| Creating this new parking area will create a new lot that will not have any buildings. So on lots with no buildings, Landscaping, | 00:25:11 | |
| parking and drive areas are permitted in all set back areas. | 00:25:17 | |
| And then in Section 12 of landscaping, it says no landscape buffer is required between a lot that contains off-site residential | 00:25:24 | |
| parking and and contiguous residential development or residential zoning district. So they're trying to remove the requirement to | 00:25:31 | |
| have a landscape buffer between Edgewater townhomes and the new parking. | 00:25:38 | |
| Parcel So they won't have that landscaping there, but the landscaping will be moved to the east side of that of that new parking | 00:25:46 | |
| area and be a minimum of four feet. | 00:25:52 | |
| So I'll just read what the bullet point says so you get the exact language. So it says 4 feet of landscape buffer shall be | 00:25:58 | |
| provided between off site residential parking and other uses. | 00:26:03 | |
| The landscaping can be provided on either lot as long as the total buffer is 4 feet. | 00:26:08 | |
| So the applicant, Jason Bold, he's here to further explain if you guys have any questions. But staff recommendation is to approve | 00:26:16 | |
| the zoning text amendment as it's being presented and we have a potential motion for you guys. Did you have a presentation? So I'm | 00:26:21 | |
| sure Jason wants to come up and further explain the proposal. | 00:26:27 | |
| Good question for you. With the current setbacks and landscaping, how much landscaping do they have? Would they have to have | 00:26:33 | |
| along? | 00:26:37 | |
| That back. | 00:26:42 | |
| 10. | 00:26:46 | |
| OK. | 00:26:47 | |
| Thank you for the opportunity for being here this evening. May remember I was here a few months ago talking about the Gru having | 00:26:51 | |
| on at that time that this was a possibility I think would have included. However, we're excited about this potential, about this | 00:26:56 | |
| possibility and the conversations. | 00:27:02 | |
| That have been happening happening with the property owner Edgewater and the city to help resolve what is I think a pretty | 00:27:08 | |
| noticeable parking parking problem. So. | 00:27:14 | |
| Right. If you want to go into the next one, so this is the area that where the GRMU district was was adopted, it is. So the | 00:27:22 | |
| property that we're talking about that where this parking lot would be is actually in a different zoning district and would be on | 00:27:29 | |
| a separate lot from the Edgewater development. And so that's why we are here is to modify the specific code language for this | 00:27:35 | |
| specific zone. | 00:27:42 | |
| In this specific area, which is that that red area, I'll go to the next one. So this is a layout that shows. | 00:27:49 | |
| What it is we're talking about? | 00:27:59 | |
| In essence, the parking area would be connected to to Edgewater and would be provided for for that development. | 00:28:01 | |
| What would be on? | 00:28:10 | |
| East side of the Edgewater development, the West side of the the Gru zone and those lots along Geneva Rd. | 00:28:12 | |
| So there's as Brian outlined, there's 33 modifications that we're looking to include the first one. | 00:28:23 | |
| Is so that in between the parking area being provided for Edgewater and the parking lot there isn't a landscape buffer required as | 00:28:31 | |
| was just asked. Otherwise it's a 10 foot buffer that would push that parking area further out and then the the landscaping can be | 00:28:38 | |
| utilized on what would be the east side of the parking area. | 00:28:45 | |
| And is and four feet of of landscaping would be required to buffer that parking area from the development to the east, so from the | 00:28:54 | |
| the actual residential structures and you have the. | 00:28:59 | |
| The existing rear of the lots. Then you'd have the parking area and then the landscape buffer between the commercial potential | 00:29:06 | |
| commercial development. | 00:29:10 | |
| The second modification is clarifying that on lots without a building. So in essence this lot that's going to be created. | 00:29:16 | |
| Parking areas and drive areas and landscaping are all permitted within all of the setbacks. | 00:29:27 | |
| On this lot so that it can accommodate the parking and drive areas. | 00:29:34 | |
| And then probably the the most important. | 00:29:41 | |
| Is adding the off site residential parking, which is defined as an area that provides parking to an existing approved residential | 00:29:43 | |
| project. | 00:29:48 | |
| But it's located on a separate. | 00:29:53 | |
| And so adding this to as a permitted use in the table for the grmu district. | 00:29:55 | |
| And that is all I have. Maybe if we go back to the site plan, if there's questions that might be. | 00:30:02 | |
| Applicable slide to look at. Do you guys see yourself using? | 00:30:09 | |
| Any other parking for anything else? Or is this the only parking? | 00:30:14 | |
| Like lot that you're planning on using for parking. | 00:30:18 | |
| So this is, this is not for the commercial development, this is for Edgewater, yeah. | 00:30:21 | |
| I'm just wondering because it's for the whole thing, I mean you could essentially make any lot of parking. Just wondering if you | 00:30:26 | |
| guys have any plans to do that? | 00:30:30 | |
| The building that you guys are planning on building or anything like that. So as those lots develop along Geneva Rd. they. | 00:30:35 | |
| Requires parking for those lots, and so there would be parking on those lots. | 00:30:43 | |
| This wouldn't be utilized for for those uses, OK? | 00:30:49 | |
| That makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. | 00:30:53 | |
| Can you help me understand how residents would access that? There's a wall there currently, correct? And so with that, so there's | 00:30:57 | |
| a drive about halfway through the parking lot, there's a drive that goes east, West. | 00:31:03 | |
| And so it would be accessed through there. | 00:31:09 | |
| And defensive just be removed in that one spot and the other part of the fence would remain correct. | 00:31:11 | |
| Would there be any access to the east? | 00:31:17 | |
| There is no planned access to these, OK? | 00:31:20 | |
| OK. How do you guys intend to deal with like storm water runoff and stuff created because this will be paved eventually I guess, | 00:31:25 | |
| right. So yeah, I mean all the storm water maintenance, I mean storm waters, it has to be maintained, it has to be captured. I | 00:31:32 | |
| guess my question, would it be part of the edge, would it tie into the Edgewater stuff or would it? | 00:31:39 | |
| And maybe you don't know yet because it hasn't. This isn't the site plan I guess yet, but I just I guess take that in | 00:31:47 | |
| consideration. I guess that doesn't, you know every every other lot will have its own. | 00:31:53 | |
| So just keep it in mind, I guess. Understandable. | 00:32:00 | |
| Any other questions? Yeah. So I mean, we have multiple private communities here that have parking issues. So how did Edgewater and | 00:32:06 | |
| and your company team up to find the solution for Edgewater? | 00:32:11 | |
| If we could learn from what you did. | 00:32:17 | |
| Steve Hutchings, Ex development, Yeah, Edgewater reached out. | 00:32:24 | |
| A lot of their residents are currently parking on our property and so we've had all kind of a long going and and driving through | 00:32:29 | |
| it and it's like a a road, but it shouldn't be. | 00:32:36 | |
| So yeah, just at the end of 400 N they've. | 00:32:44 | |
| There's about 200 cars that park there. | 00:32:48 | |
| There's. | 00:32:52 | |
| Crime and different things over there as well. | 00:32:55 | |
| You know, definitely want to solve the problem. | 00:32:59 | |
| If we can. | 00:33:02 | |
| Thank you. Thanks. | 00:33:03 | |
| Any other questions? | 00:33:08 | |
| You have a motion to open up a public hearing. | 00:33:12 | |
| I move to open up a public hearing. I have a second I. | 00:33:15 | |
| All in favor, aye. | 00:33:19 | |
| Alright, if you guys if there's any public comments, you can come and state your name and. | 00:33:21 | |
| Can try to consolidate your thoughts. | 00:33:26 | |
| Russ Levins, a resident Just curious how many parking spaces you're planning on. | 00:33:32 | |
| We don't have Eric with X development, Eric Toner Fix Development, don't have a full engineering completed on this site yet. This | 00:33:46 | |
| is the first step that we need to move forward with, but we estimate there will be over about 100 / 145 stalls is is approximate. | 00:33:53 | |
| Potentially as high as 165. | 00:34:01 | |
| Thank you. I'm all for additional. | 00:34:06 | |
| Any other comments from the? | 00:34:13 | |
| If not, drive the motion to close the public hearing. | 00:34:16 | |
| Edgewater. | 00:34:53 | |
| And then the potential for another wall existing between this parking lot and the north. | 00:34:53 | |
| You would you would create kind of a potentially a dangerous situation where there wouldn't be a lot of visibility. | 00:35:00 | |
| And so you don't necessarily need to propose language, but if you do recommend approval, part of the recommendation would be that | 00:35:07 | |
| staff work with them on code. You know, they could have some separation, but maybe it's a transparent fence, something that that | 00:35:13 | |
| doesn't create kind of a like a tight closed off alley, you know, I know our police would would be really concerned about that. OK | 00:35:20 | |
| Yeah, I mean I I would be as a resident. | 00:35:26 | |
| I have concerns about snow removal, so as we move forward that would be that'd be something to think about. | 00:35:34 | |
| That's great. Does this take away from any of the open space that is already part of water's edge? I'm just pulling up. | 00:35:41 | |
| Yes, this project, yes, there, there's grass there. That's where they punched through. They they were over quite a bit. We | 00:35:51 | |
| analyzed in the past and so and there's no. | 00:35:57 | |
| Playground or No, no, not like that. That would be removed. Yeah, there's a couple parking spaces and then like the strip | 00:36:03 | |
| landscaping. | 00:36:07 | |
| But they they do have excess overall open space, so they'd be fine. | 00:36:12 | |
| And the part of the side plans here, what we would do is require a calculation on both sides and whenever you amend the project we | 00:36:19 | |
| we do recalculate open space. | 00:36:24 | |
| But I mean that would be easy. We have, we have the numbers from the current plan, we would just take out you know whatever that | 00:36:31 | |
| 100 square feet is and then also just verifying. | 00:36:35 | |
| This is just for the GRMU zone, which is a small area limited area in the city. | 00:36:39 | |
| I wouldn't. This would not open this up as a possibility. | 00:36:45 | |
| The rest of the city, unless they went through another zoning text amendment, correct? | 00:36:48 | |
| Are we gonna see this again if it comes back? | 00:36:52 | |
| So I I guess most of my questions that will be for the site plan. | 00:36:58 | |
| But that's good to know. I mean hearing about the the snow plow and stuff. | 00:37:04 | |
| Those are things that it's good for applicant to hear if you have concerns. | 00:37:10 | |
| And again, just the only in and out would be through the. | 00:37:16 | |
| Existing housing development they wouldn't exit out onto. | 00:37:21 | |
| Jason I don't. I don't know if they're proposing A pedestrian connection, but that may be the only one. | 00:37:26 | |
| Again we're we're not, it hasn't been engineered, hasn't been designed. | 00:37:34 | |
| Where we're at in the talks is what you see there, which is parking all along. | 00:37:38 | |
| Got. | 00:37:44 | |
| OK. | 00:37:45 | |
| All right there. | 00:37:48 | |
| Make a motion. | 00:37:51 | |
| I'm going to approve. | 00:37:53 | |
| 2023-10 as presented by city staff, with the condition to work with staff on required separation. | 00:37:55 | |
| I have a second. | 00:38:04 | |
| And this is roll call. So Chris, hi Anthony. | 00:38:06 | |
| Aye, aye. Aye. Aye. Greg. Hi. All right, Pass. | 00:38:11 | |
| Thank you. Thank you guys. Thanks. | 00:38:16 | |
| Moving to 4.4 Public hearing for another zoning text amendment. This is Brian again. | 00:38:18 | |
| Sorry, just one second guys. Just got to make sure I get a USB drive back to its owner. | 00:38:27 | |
| Play. | 00:38:34 | |
| I. | 00:38:48 | |
| OK, Thanks, Commissioner. I'm just pulling up the next staff report. | 00:39:06 | |
| Hey, this next application is the Telos. | 00:39:20 | |
| Two Academy. It's pertaining to the second campus building that TLS would like to construct. Not too far actually, from that car | 00:39:25 | |
| dealership, just to the north of that. So this is ordinance 2023 Dash 11. The applicant, Gary Tyler with Seals Academy is here to | 00:39:32 | |
| answer further questions. | 00:39:39 | |
| So Gary with Tilo System is proposing an amendment to Vineyard to the Vineyard zoning code section 15 point 12.050, the District | 00:39:46 | |
| use table. | 00:39:51 | |
| To increase clinical support housing use in a single building or development within the neighborhood commercial zoning district to | 00:39:57 | |
| no more than 80% of the net square footage. So this project resides in that neighborhood commercial zoning district. | 00:40:05 | |
| It's the only location in Vineyard that has that zoning category. | 00:40:13 | |
| Kilos Academy intends to construct a three story building with residents living on the second and third floor, while maintaining | 00:40:19 | |
| the first floor for business and commercial operations. | 00:40:24 | |
| Mr. Tyler stated that for the project to be feasible, they need this amendment to the zoning code. Telos feels that this amendment | 00:40:29 | |
| still allows them to meet the intent of the neighborhood commercial zoning district by providing a mixed a mixed-use transition | 00:40:34 | |
| between major roadway and high impact uses. | 00:40:39 | |
| The two residential neighborhoods, the main level of this building will have a storefront feel with offices and conference rooms. | 00:40:44 | |
| So I'm just going to pull up the ordinance so you guys can see the changes. | 00:40:50 | |
| Umm. | 00:40:56 | |
| It's a change to the subscript in the in the use table, so. | 00:40:57 | |
| OK, let me look to where it you can see. | 00:41:03 | |
| So clinical support housing has a subscript for neighborhood commercial. | 00:41:07 | |
| That. | 00:41:12 | |
| Yeah, clinical support housing right here. So this is the zoning district. This is the use clinical support housing. | 00:41:16 | |
| And. | 00:41:24 | |
| They further provide some some lighting on what clinical support housing is. | 00:41:25 | |
| It's for the type of housing that Tiles provides, It's for. | 00:41:28 | |
| Uh. | 00:41:34 | |
| People that have had experience or that are having difficulty with like learning disabilities and things like that, they're | 00:41:36 | |
| teenagers mostly right and young adults. And so they they help those those people with the with the different needs that they need | 00:41:43 | |
| so that they can receive a proper education and and receive those social skills and life experiences to to contribute to society. | 00:41:51 | |
| And so that subscript will take us to the bottom of the table where the number that is being changed here is as follows. Clinical | 00:41:59 | |
| support housing use shall not exceed, so it used to. It currently reads 50% of the net square footage of a single building or | 00:42:06 | |
| development. | 00:42:12 | |
| The reason for that was that the city was trying to increase the amount of commercial activity and limit the amount of residential | 00:42:20 | |
| activity, but the applicant is proposing to change that amount to 80% of the net square footage of the of a single building or | 00:42:25 | |
| development within that. | 00:42:31 | |
| And so that's that's what we're talking about and see if that is an appropriate change that is uncode into that zoning. | 00:42:36 | |
| So Gary, if you if the if the Commission has any questions, Gary is here to answer them. | 00:42:43 | |
| I guess my question would be what? Why the change? | 00:42:53 | |
| Thank you, Gary. Tyler, I'm with Hughes General Contractors representing KILOS. We will be the general contractor to construct | 00:42:59 | |
| this building if you allow this change. If not, it will sit vacant. But the the reason I don't know how many of you were here | 00:43:09 | |
| before I was involved, Hughes was involved. This zone was created for this property and the owner there was extensive. | 00:43:18 | |
| Back and forth they have them to go through to make this zone so that this little sliver of property that borders forum. | 00:43:28 | |
| And would. | 00:43:39 | |
| Be able to be developed. So there were multiple things in that zone that were written specifically so that we could build on that | 00:43:40 | |
| small sliver of property. Well as we got into it, we realized started reading the fine print and to the owners this may they no | 00:43:48 | |
| one understood how we ended up with 50%. | 00:43:57 | |
| Of commercial versus housing. The problem is is that they are not a developer. They do not. | 00:44:05 | |
| Lease space out. | 00:44:16 | |
| Commercial entities and So what they. | 00:44:19 | |
| Would like to do is be able to have the second third floor for permanent housing residents that come and go, but you know at least | 00:44:23 | |
| out with bedrooms and kitchens and everything and then the bottom area will be for their facility. | 00:44:30 | |
| Their corporate operations and conference rooms and. | 00:44:39 | |
| And so the 50% made it so that we did not have. | 00:44:44 | |
| Impractical to build the building. | 00:44:50 | |
| Being a $12 million building, you know they needed it to pencil. | 00:44:53 | |
| In a sense. And they needed those, the amount of rooms to help pay for that building. | 00:44:59 | |
| So that's kind of that's why we are coming back in. | 00:45:05 | |
| To amend this, 50% Which? | 00:45:09 | |
| Again was the before I was involved, but the owner who was was like now that was he. They didn't understand that was to say that | 00:45:13 | |
| that that was being put in. So now we're trying to remedy that, keep it still. So what we have done is we have taken, taken the | 00:45:19 | |
| full bottom floor. | 00:45:26 | |
| I I get the idea of having kind of a mixed-use is what the idea of the code is. So we've taken that whole bottom floor of the | 00:45:33 | |
| footprint and we're going to have storefront, we'll have entries onto the main onto the road. So it looks. | 00:45:41 | |
| Like a commercial building with a multi use fun. | 00:45:49 | |
| So we think that that will suffice with meeting the intent of what was meant, OK. | 00:45:54 | |
| Well, this building, the residents here use facilities located in the adjacent. | 00:46:03 | |
| They will. So the existing building has a gym, has weight room so there will be back and forth. | 00:46:09 | |
| This new facility will be for young women. | 00:46:18 | |
| The existing facility right now is for young men, so now they and they've never been able or have wanted to try to intermingle | 00:46:22 | |
| those two in the same building. So this will allow them to help serve the the female population. | 00:46:30 | |
| OK. So there were a couple of us that were here around the time when you guys when this was I guess, I guess made. | 00:46:39 | |
| And. | 00:46:47 | |
| I don't remember the specific details, but I remember talking about like, oh, there'd be like a. | 00:46:48 | |
| Cafe that you could walk to or like something. And I think that the intent was, or the thoughts and correct me if I'm wrong, was | 00:46:53 | |
| that residents could work in places like that. | 00:46:59 | |
| So I don't know if that's changed or it has OK as they look at it, their business. | 00:47:07 | |
| More like a they said they they are not in the business of leasing property out to. | 00:47:13 | |
| A coffee shop. And the other problem is anything they because they thought about at one point putting a separate building up front | 00:47:21 | |
| off of Geneva. The problem here is parking as well. | 00:47:27 | |
| There really is not going to be enough parking as is and we're going to have to come up with a shared agreement between the two | 00:47:35 | |
| parcels for parking. | 00:47:39 | |
| So parking for another. | 00:47:44 | |
| Again is difficult. | 00:47:50 | |
| And. | 00:47:53 | |
| Yeah, they really don't want to see themselves. | 00:47:56 | |
| Doing that anymore, they just. | 00:48:00 | |
| And where's Where's the post? The new building to the north so see where the existing trailers. | 00:48:03 | |
| On that right there, that's about where the building will sit. | 00:48:10 | |
| So what would be on I guess in the corner, on that northeast corner, on the northwest corner, sorry, I mean so. | 00:48:15 | |
| The property goes all the way to Geneva, doesn't it? Correct. Yeah. So what would be parking? That would be parking. | 00:48:23 | |
| No. | 00:48:29 | |
| So, and if you remember, there's quite a grade difference between the existing building. | 00:48:33 | |
| Heading down to that existing property that we're talking about. So there's quite a bit of buffer there to make up that grade. | 00:48:39 | |
| So that takes a little property and makes it even smaller, so you can. | 00:48:46 | |
| We've submitted some site plans, so it really is. We've crammed in as many parking stalls as we can to maximize to meet the | 00:48:53 | |
| parking requirements. | 00:48:58 | |
| For. | 00:49:04 | |
| So. | 00:49:05 | |
| Code exists like you said, just for this parcel essentially, right? It was written for this. | 00:49:07 | |
| So for this parcel, So understanding a little bit about what they do, I mean it's. | 00:49:12 | |
| Service based thing basically, right. I mean they still make money and they lease it out these people, but it's a no, it's not it. | 00:49:18 | |
| So they are super. | 00:49:26 | |
| They. | 00:49:28 | |
| Pod. | 00:49:29 | |
| 8 individuals, yeah, but I mean more. It's not like. | 00:49:31 | |
| Student housing is what I'm saying, like there's a very specific need that this group serves, right? They are a federally. | 00:49:35 | |
| Recognized company that provides mental health, right? So I guess my my point where I'm trying to get at is. | 00:49:42 | |
| Is this enough? Like is 80% enough? Like, I know that that goes against what we always try to do, but like this is very specific, | 00:49:49 | |
| so it's 80% enough. | 00:49:54 | |
| Does that make sense? My question it is I mean. | 00:50:00 | |
| Because there's I'm I'm saying like why make you have more commercial if it's really? | 00:50:04 | |
| Serving a very specific need, You know what I mean? | 00:50:08 | |
| I appreciate that. Yeah, you're absolutely right. We feel that we can meet the 80% without having any hardship to the owner. So we | 00:50:11 | |
| kept it. | 00:50:16 | |
| High or low, however you want to eat. | 00:50:22 | |
| Get it as much as possible in case that someone else or another property in the city. | 00:50:25 | |
| Decides to be zoned us. | 00:50:31 | |
| Pardon me, Gary, I have some of the documents that you have most recently sent me. Would you like us to show those? | 00:50:34 | |
| I mean again, it's site plan. I'm more than happy to show you what we had in mind if that would help. | 00:50:40 | |
| I don't want to extend them. Yeah, more just be curiosity than necessary. Well, there you go. That was quick one. One question I | 00:50:48 | |
| have for staff primarily. | 00:50:52 | |
| You know, if these housing units go in. | 00:50:59 | |
| And it changed, it changed ownership. In the future that would still need to remain clinical housing, correct? Like it wouldn't | 00:51:02 | |
| turn into an apartment complex or whatever it might be. It would need to be clinical housing. Yeah, if you remember when this went | 00:51:07 | |
| forward before I think like the initial. | 00:51:13 | |
| Then the initial proposal was for just like kind of how they're proposing now is a much bigger Billy. I think it was like 4 | 00:51:20 | |
| stories, but there were some offices for the, you know, the like the clinicians. | 00:51:26 | |
| Then there was mainly residential. There's concern from the City Council at that time. | 00:51:33 | |
| And they wanted to make sure that the any housing was connected to like the the services on site. | 00:51:39 | |
| And so, so that's kind of how we wrote the clinical support housing definition that was a new definition. | 00:51:47 | |
| But yeah, there was definitely concern about allowing. | 00:51:54 | |
| Like a lot of residential, but I think they're OK if it was the clinical support out there, yeah. | 00:51:57 | |
| And then the only other comment is I understand it looks like you can't bring the building up to. | 00:52:04 | |
| Intersection area there that I mean that's typically what. | 00:52:10 | |
| Look for rather than. I mean that's just, that's just like a sea of asphalt, right When you got Geneva Rd. that's already pretty | 00:52:13 | |
| wide. | 00:52:16 | |
| And the street and then just a big parking lot, but sounds like the. | 00:52:20 | |
| We don't have enough room to put a building up there, OK? | 00:52:25 | |
| More if. | 00:52:29 | |
| You know the two lots we maybe could, but where the property lines are not only other property lines, there the city boundary. So | 00:52:34 | |
| if you're willing to let us move city boundaries. | 00:52:39 | |
| Or annexation annex into Orem. | 00:52:45 | |
| We've talked, we talked with Orem and that this is on that we can work on during during the site plan. Definitely our preference | 00:52:49 | |
| is to have it on the corner. When we met with ARM initially a couple years ago on it, the proposal had it on the corner and they | 00:52:55 | |
| said that they would be fine with the jurisdictional boundary crossing the building. | 00:53:00 | |
| And so, but they would have to go through a development review committee with. | 00:53:07 | |
| With One City, so we can when they get the site plan we can further that conversation, but that definitely is our preference to | 00:53:12 | |
| have it on the corner as opposed to like. | 00:53:17 | |
| Buried down, yeah. | 00:53:22 | |
| Yeah. This is one of what, 5 entrances into the city. So when we initially talked about this and we're talking about. | 00:53:24 | |
| Being commercial here it was the big thing was that this is an entrance into the city and that we wanted to look nice. Do you have | 00:53:33 | |
| any of those renderings that I did I ever send you renderings? So as you can see the existing building I think is looks great and | 00:53:40 | |
| very pleasing. The other, the new building will be just as complimentary and it will be a definitely a very attractive entrance to | 00:53:47 | |
| the city. | 00:53:54 | |
| I'll pull those up really quick, Gary. Yeah. And that's why we would want it pushed up to the street. We we we actually tried to | 00:54:03 | |
| lay that out, but. | 00:54:07 | |
| It just didn't work for us on the site plan. | 00:54:13 | |
| OK. That sounds like we might be able to. Oh, there you go. There's a few if we can. | 00:54:20 | |
| And there's even some rendering showing both buildings. | 00:54:26 | |
| And how they both kind of lay. | 00:54:29 | |
| So there's the existing one and there's come from Geneva Rd. looking back at that other building. | 00:54:36 | |
| And there's coming down South, it's going to be very prominent still so. | 00:54:44 | |
| Assuming Orem was able to work with you guys and. | 00:54:49 | |
| Well, let's just say that there wasn't a city boundary line. You do think you could get that building forward? | 00:54:53 | |
| That building. | 00:54:59 | |
| It would have to be completely redesigned and it would be less. It would be more awkward. We've tried to. | 00:55:01 | |
| Because of the great difference between. | 00:55:09 | |
| You don't have well, one of the other reasons is fire access. You need fire lanes around those buildings. So if we were to try to | 00:55:14 | |
| put that there and that's when the original was built or the the. | 00:55:20 | |
| The one that we put in that corner. | 00:55:26 | |
| That never met fire requirements for the fire trucks. Yeah. So that was as we started looking at that, we're like, well, we don't | 00:55:28 | |
| need fire access. | 00:55:33 | |
| So that's why we one of the reasons why we moved it back so that you could have fire access because on the backside of this | 00:55:37 | |
| building on the West side we are going to have to build a lane for a fire truck to pull in. And so that he will they will have | 00:55:45 | |
| access to three sides of the building fire truck we would not be able to. | 00:55:52 | |
| With what was moved up front, OK, so again, a lot of moving parts, a lot of things that. | 00:56:02 | |
| To us to. | 00:56:09 | |
| This layout at that point, if that makes sense, yeah, that makes sense. And then the other question I had was as far as the | 00:56:10 | |
| residents. | 00:56:14 | |
| Umm. | 00:56:19 | |
| Will. | 00:56:20 | |
| Owned vehicles, Will they be driving? Will they be? No, they do not own vehicles at all, just the staff. | 00:56:21 | |
| You want to consider putting a Welcome to Vineyard on the Telus sign. | 00:56:29 | |
| Gateway's fine. Yeah. We on top of that we could do a marquee or something. | 00:56:36 | |
| OK. | 00:56:42 | |
| All right. Do you guys have any more questions for him before we open it up for a public hearing? | 00:56:45 | |
| All right. Thank you. Thank you. All right, Drive the motion to open it up into a public hearing. I move to open this up to public | 00:56:50 | |
| hearing. | 00:56:54 | |
| Second all in favor, aye? | 00:56:58 | |
| All right. I'm going to write down questions. If you have questions, I'll write them down just so that. | 00:57:01 | |
| Daria Evans resident. | 00:57:09 | |
| I just have a couple of questions. | 00:57:12 | |
| I like the. | 00:57:15 | |
| But I'm just curious how many residents they're planning on having and if it's going to be a lockdown situation because. | 00:57:16 | |
| It says in. | 00:57:23 | |
| That. | 00:57:25 | |
| There they have mental impairments which require a constant supervision and support from residential and nursing staff. | 00:57:27 | |
| So I'm just curious about that. Thank you very much. Yeah. Thank you. | 00:57:34 | |
| Any other public comments? | 00:57:40 | |
| Russell Evans resident As my understanding then purpose I support this. | 00:57:45 | |
| Anything else from? | 00:57:53 | |
| All right. So yeah, how many residents are you expecting and will it be a lockdown situation? Is this going to be where they live? | 00:57:57 | |
| Is this going to be? | 00:58:01 | |
| Like, will they be allowed to leave kind of thing? | 00:58:06 | |
| Yes, so this. | 00:58:08 | |
| Residents, they will. There will be. | 00:58:13 | |
| 30. | 00:58:16 | |
| Bedrooms they are in. | 00:58:18 | |
| 8 bedrooms and each of them they act like a family. | 00:58:20 | |
| So. And they have their own kitchenette. | 00:58:24 | |
| They. | 00:58:27 | |
| We say mentally they're they're obviously troubled. | 00:58:28 | |
| But they're 100% supervised. It is not a lockdown facility. They are able to. | 00:58:33 | |
| They're not leaving campus, but there's not they can. They can walk out. It's not locked out now a portion of. | 00:58:40 | |
| There's four pods. One pod will be for those that maybe are suicidal. | 00:58:48 | |
| That portion will be a lockdown portion, so those that are extremely serious, those that may cause harm to themselves or others. | 00:58:55 | |
| There is that small little portion that. | 00:59:06 | |
| If that makes sense. | 00:59:12 | |
| Good question though. Thank you. And just to add this, these type of facilities are are so needed in our society. | 00:59:14 | |
| They really are doing a great service. | 00:59:25 | |
| Helping those. | 00:59:30 | |
| Youth, young adults, that failure to launch to, you know. | 00:59:32 | |
| Not necessarily substance abuse, but just. | 00:59:37 | |
| Problems in school, they come here, that's why they have the telos you university, which they team up with. | 00:59:41 | |
| Different all the school districts to be able to offer. | 00:59:50 | |
| And we help them graduate from high school. So, but thank you. Thank you. | 00:59:54 | |
| All right. Do I have a motion to close the public? | 01:00:01 | |
| Motion to close the public hearing second All in favor, aye? | 01:00:04 | |
| All right. Any other questions? | 01:00:10 | |
| Anything else from staff? | 01:00:13 | |
| Do I have a motion I I did see in the staff report under the staff recommendation said no recommendation from staff and then | 01:00:15 | |
| potential motions could. | 01:00:19 | |
| Elaborate there in the. | 01:00:24 | |
| Yeah, usually. | 01:00:26 | |
| More about more of a recommendation from staff on that, and if there's concerns I'd like to hear them. | 01:00:28 | |
| Um. | 01:00:33 | |
| I personally felt that. | 01:00:34 | |
| You guys would probably be best to make a decision when it comes to additional housing. So that's why I didn't recommend. Got it. | 01:00:36 | |
| OK, thanks. Just want to clarify. | 01:00:39 | |
| There's no additional questions. I'll move to recommend approval of Ordinance 2023-11 as presented by city staff. Do I have a | 01:00:46 | |
| second? | 01:00:50 | |
| Second, this is also roll call, Chris, I Anthony, hi I say Craig, alright passes. | 01:00:55 | |
| Moving to. | 01:01:04 | |
| Your next step would be next week with the City Council. | 01:01:08 | |
| Awesome. Thank you. | 01:01:12 | |
| All right, 4.5 the public hearing for general plan amendment for Public Utilities and services is going to be continued to have a | 01:01:15 | |
| motion to continue that. | 01:01:19 | |
| Just give me the paper, I'll beat you to it. I motion to continue item 4.5 to our meeting on March 1st. | 01:01:25 | |
| Second, second, all in favor, aye, all right, moving to 4.6, the public hearing for water use and preservation. And Brian is Brian | 01:01:34 | |
| again, actually Emily COVID with our engineering. What do we call it now, engineering. | 01:01:41 | |
| Division will lead the conversation on this, so I'm here for support. | 01:01:51 | |
| Yep. | 01:01:58 | |
| Oh. | 01:02:01 | |
| You had it right at the bottom. | 01:02:28 | |
| Right, right, right. Yeah, that one. | 01:02:32 | |
| I clicked that. | 01:02:34 | |
| All right. I Emily covered staff engineering. I'm talking about water use and preservation element that we're wanting to add to | 01:02:40 | |
| the general plan. | 01:02:43 | |
| So this past month, the city sent a letter of request to the Central Utah Water Conservancy District, or CWCD, for 3504 acre feet | 01:02:51 | |
| of water to be used in the next five years to meet future demands. | 01:03:00 | |
| And in return to WCD has asked that the city. | 01:03:09 | |
| Do a few things to qualify for this water request. And so some of those things include the water use and preservation element to | 01:03:16 | |
| be added to our general plan, according to Senate Bill 110, which outlines them. | 01:03:23 | |
| How that should be written and what should be contained in that document? | 01:03:31 | |
| And then also to have a water conservation plan adopted by the city and then approved by the Utah Division of Water Resources. So | 01:03:36 | |
| we have already completed our final draft and sent that to the state and the state has approved that and that is just awaiting | 01:03:44 | |
| adoption by the City Council and that's on the agenda for February 22nd. So that's moving right along and then. | 01:03:52 | |
| They also have asked that we adopt water efficiency standards that pertain to our landscaping zoning code. | 01:04:01 | |
| And that is on the agenda for Planning Commission for March 1st. | 01:04:10 | |
| So in the water use and preservation element, we pulled these four goals straight from the Senate bill and I'll just quickly read | 01:04:17 | |
| through these goals and feel free to ask me questions afterwards. So goal one is to reduce water demand per capita consumption for | 01:04:24 | |
| existing development. Goal two is to reduce water demand per capita consumption for future development. Goal three is to improve | 01:04:32 | |
| the effect of permitted development or patterns of development on water demand and water infrastructure. | 01:04:40 | |
| And goal for is to modify the Municipality's operations to eliminate practices or. | 01:04:48 | |
| That wastewater. | 01:04:53 | |
| Any any questions? | 01:04:57 | |
| I have a question on water. So we've requested additional water from the water district. Do we require developers when they | 01:05:00 | |
| develop to submit water rights? And no. Like in Linden they have requirements. | 01:05:06 | |
| To send that acre fee and developers buy water rights and submit them to the city. So how do we? | 01:05:12 | |
| Acquire those rights, Are we just getting them from the Conservancy district? | 01:05:17 | |
| Missing indoor assistant to the staff engineer Emily. | 01:05:25 | |
| Now so in regards to regards to a question about requiring developers to submit to your turnover bar rights, the city does not | 01:05:28 | |
| have any specific language in the ordinances, codes or standards that. | 01:05:36 | |
| We do. | 01:05:45 | |
| We could go after us developers or excuse me like developments regards to the wire rights to ensure that the city would have first | 01:05:46 | |
| rider refusal especially when we're negotiating development agreements that is something that we've been emphasizing and then but. | 01:05:53 | |
| And it's all in here. Can correct me if I'm wrong. Hopefully not. But the Vineyard City the majority of the water has more arrests | 01:06:01 | |
| have been sold off from Vineyard City the the biggest purchaser is Central Utah Water District from home. We're trying to purchase | 01:06:07 | |
| more rights from this is these things happen. | 01:06:14 | |
| He. | 01:06:22 | |
| That this area, most of this happened during the closing. She needs steel mill. | 01:06:24 | |
| But in terms of forcing the developers to turn over the wire right now? | 01:06:28 | |
| OK. | 01:06:34 | |
| Was that right? | 01:06:36 | |
| One question I have is a lot of these talk about reducing water demand per capita. | 01:06:41 | |
| Tough to reduce if you don't know baselines like, do we already have? | 01:06:47 | |
| Data I think would be very interesting. | 01:06:51 | |
| Like even back to maybe like 2010 or something before a lot of the development happened. | 01:06:54 | |
| To. | 01:06:58 | |
| What the consumption was, it might be interesting for folks to see about, like there's probably a lot of water used when it was | 01:07:00 | |
| agricultural versus a small population. | 01:07:04 | |
| And then also what happens? | 01:07:08 | |
| Developments come in, you know, is it, is it helping reduce the water demand per capita, Is it hurting that? I just think it'd be | 01:07:12 | |
| interesting to see the trends. | 01:07:16 | |
| And then we'd be able. | 01:07:20 | |
| See if we're actually reducing per capita. Yeah, we do have water usage data and that can be found in the Water conservation plan. | 01:07:22 | |
| That were that will hopefully be adopted on February 22nd, OK. And I guess you just match that up with the population for any | 01:07:31 | |
| given year to figure it out? | 01:07:35 | |
| Yeah, if you want to say also that George Tram is working on understanding what our water usage is on public property and so he's | 01:07:41 | |
| going to be commencing a process for parcel by parcel getting data and understanding how these changes are are going to be | 01:07:47 | |
| affecting our water usage. | 01:07:53 | |
| And then another thing is that the water use and preservation element is not due till 2025, the end of 2025 but with this. | 01:08:00 | |
| Umm. | 01:08:10 | |
| This kind of took us by surprise with the CWCD. | 01:08:10 | |
| With the requirement to have a lot of use and preservation element already in the code in order to get those water rights, we | 01:08:15 | |
| decided the best thing to do is to focus on the goals and and get those in there with some basic strategies and then as we | 01:08:20 | |
| continue to. | 01:08:24 | |
| Develop and advance our water strategies. Then we begin to fill in with data and with proper analytics and things like that. So | 01:08:30 | |
| right now it's kind of a red start because it was a good starting place. Yeah. And Vineyard is already one of the lowest water | 01:08:37 | |
| uses users in the state, if not the lowest. So we're already doing pretty good and we also are have a water master plan in the | 01:08:43 | |
| works right now, so. | 01:08:50 | |
| The only other comment I was going to make is. | 01:08:58 | |
| I know we always want open. | 01:09:01 | |
| And this is one of the big things where like if it's not usable open space. | 01:09:03 | |
| It's kind of to require. | 01:09:07 | |
| A patch of grass back behind a dumpster and someone calls it open space, right like. | 01:09:10 | |
| And so that is, I want to make sure that we're not. | 01:09:15 | |
| Requiring things that go against these goals and that's one of the main things that we're changing with the landscaping code to | 01:09:18 | |
| adopt the water efficiency standards, which should we will be presenting to you in this next Planning Commission. | 01:09:25 | |
| Cool, cool. Yeah, Those are the things I'd like to see for sure, because. | 01:09:34 | |
| Yeah, I think we'll get to work on the strategies a lot more, which is where we get into the nitty gritty. But I think that this | 01:09:38 | |
| is a great baseline for sure. Great. Yeah, this will help us to get those water rates under way. Cool. So you said we were in one | 01:09:43 | |
| of the lowest. What is the actual lowest? | 01:09:48 | |
| I think we are the most, apparently. So it was like per capita. Per capita, we were liked by a lot lower. | 01:09:54 | |
| We can't win at all. We'll win this. We're still working on parking. Yeah. | 01:10:04 | |
| Any other questions? | 01:10:12 | |
| Do I have a motion to open up a public hearing? | 01:10:15 | |
| I moved to open up a public hearing. | 01:10:17 | |
| All in favor, aye. | 01:10:20 | |
| Right. Do you have any questions? Come, I will write down your questions. | 01:10:22 | |
| Any public comments? | 01:10:27 | |
| Daria Evans, Vineyard resident. | 01:10:38 | |
| On the agenda tonight, this drought table here. | 01:10:44 | |
| It. | 01:10:49 | |
| That vineyards population is 23,000 residents in a six square mile. | 01:10:51 | |
| That's approximately. | 01:10:55 | |
| Residents per square mile, and it says it's going to expect it to grow by additional 72,000 people. | 01:10:59 | |
| That would be 95,000 residents and six square miles. That's 15,000 plus. | 01:11:07 | |
| Residents per square. | 01:11:13 | |
| I don't know how you're going to get enough water for all these residents. We already have one water tank. We're going to need | 01:11:16 | |
| more. | 01:11:20 | |
| Obviously. | 01:11:24 | |
| The only way I could see it is just not having. | 01:11:27 | |
| Reducing water demand and capital consumption. | 01:11:30 | |
| By red. | 01:11:36 | |
| The number of people that live here. | 01:11:37 | |
| I'm sorry, it's just I just don't see how. | 01:11:41 | |
| It can. | 01:11:45 | |
| I mean it's great that we are low water usage. I mean we have low flow toilets, we have low water, you know, water things. | 01:11:46 | |
| And it just, it just doesn't make sense if we want to keep the open space, the trails and you know, the parks and all this. | 01:11:55 | |
| I just don't see how it's going to work. | 01:12:04 | |
| And. | 01:12:07 | |
| Also, my thoughts appreciate what you're trying to do. I know you want to make this a vibrant community, but. | 01:12:10 | |
| That's. | 01:12:18 | |
| We're going to get packed in like Sard. | 01:12:20 | |
| And there's not going to be enough infrastructure. There's not gonna be enough Rd. | 01:12:23 | |
| I mean, that connector is going to take forever. You know, it's going to take a long time to get built and by the time it gets | 01:12:28 | |
| built out, it's going to be expanding because we're going to have possibly 72,000 more residents. | 01:12:34 | |
| OK. Thank you very much. Thanks, Daria. Any other the whole as far as population intensity like? | 01:12:41 | |
| That's a whole other discussion for sure, yeah, because we started out, you know, Geneva Rising, was that 26,000 residents? OK, we | 01:12:48 | |
| can handle that. Then they say 40, then they see 50. Now we're now additional 72,000. | 01:12:54 | |
| It just keeps changing, changing. Umm I'm only Co fed staff engineer. So right now we are working on a drinking water master plan, | 01:13:01 | |
| a wastewater master plan and a transportation master plan. And they are focused on looking at the projections and what future | 01:13:08 | |
| demands that we will be having and what infrastructure we will need to put in place and putting aside the funds to put that | 01:13:15 | |
| infrastructure in place. So that is on our minds as well. | 01:13:22 | |
| Russell Evans, the resident, I concur with what Daria? | 01:13:35 | |
| And also I noticed that 72,000 is supposed to be in the downtown area, you know, kind of density that is in one that small area. | 01:13:40 | |
| A little bit of the Hogaway farms, those are single unit. | 01:13:47 | |
| And. | 01:13:51 | |
| Doesn't make sense to me either. Maybe that's another topic. No day, I'm not sure. But it is in the water. | 01:13:54 | |
| It is in today's 84 pages of notes or whatever. | 01:14:00 | |
| And also just, you know, that's great that we're the lowest per capita, but we can do better. | 01:14:05 | |
| I see waste all the time. | 01:14:11 | |
| And just the park strips. It seems like the forge has park strips. | 01:14:14 | |
| In it. | 01:14:18 | |
| You know, you know stuff. Going forward, get rid of those park strips. | 01:14:20 | |
| They just let us though, you know that we had at home in West Jordan. | 01:14:24 | |
| And we never had a part strip. First it was lava rock, then it was cement. | 01:14:28 | |
| And can we just know that all you do is water in the street, the sidewalk, and but we can. | 01:14:33 | |
| Because water is just gonna be. | 01:14:41 | |
| Really precious resource here in Utah. | 01:14:45 | |
| And so much of it gets subsidized, too. We don't pay for what we really cost. | 01:14:47 | |
| And that, I think leads to waste also. | 01:14:52 | |
| Is because we're not paying the true cost of the water as consumers. It's being subsidized the those are my comments. Thank you. | 01:14:55 | |
| Thanks, Russell. | 01:15:01 | |
| Any other public comments? | 01:15:05 | |
| Do I have a motion to close the? | 01:15:08 | |
| I'll move to close the public hearing drive. | 01:15:11 | |
| Second all in favor, aye? | 01:15:14 | |
| I do have a question for you, Sullivan. Do we break down the water usage per capita by a neighborhood? Because I think it'd be | 01:15:16 | |
| interesting, like my assumption would be the water usage per capita in the Shores neighborhood would be orders of magnitude higher | 01:15:24 | |
| than in an apartment complex where they're not having yards. Do we have information on things like that? I think it. | 01:15:32 | |
| And then the reason I'm asking is I think it would help better inform when we. | 01:15:41 | |
| Newer developments coming in, whether it's single family homes or other things. | 01:15:44 | |
| Have at least an understanding of how that would impact the per capita water usage. | 01:15:48 | |
| We don't currently have that broken down, but that are those are things that we're working on and we'll be putting together. But | 01:15:53 | |
| you're correct, the larger the the building lot, the more typically more water they use because they have larger landscape. | 01:16:00 | |
| And so you know, so if they have a large lot but it's all wise water use and their water is not going to be quite as much but the. | 01:16:08 | |
| The residences that use the least amount of water are your residences that typically multi family homes because. | 01:16:17 | |
| They're they're sharing, you know, buildings for living space so there's less landscaping footprint. | 01:16:24 | |
| Does that answer your question? It does, yeah. And just with that concern, I want to make sure that data drives our decisions, | 01:16:31 | |
| right. And when when developments come in, I think that that would actually be an interesting thing to see. | 01:16:36 | |
| If a building is coming in and it has 400 units, like what what do we expect? | 01:16:43 | |
| Water demand to be It might be interesting to have some of. | 01:16:48 | |
| Estimates moving forward, if we want to be serious about this, I think that's something we probably can have the developers | 01:16:51 | |
| provide as well as a study water study and we talked about that for for wastewater and stuff is they provide. | 01:16:58 | |
| You know their flow studies to see what kind of discharge they're going to have. Also the flow studies for water, for their needs, | 01:17:04 | |
| for the buildings and stuff and and. | 01:17:08 | |
| You know, I grew up in an era where water wasn't quite as big of an issue, and especially a state where water was an issue in in | 01:17:14 | |
| Louisiana. But, you know, we've been kind of spoiled living. | 01:17:19 | |
| All of these years with being able to have lawns and everything's like that, but we have to kind of change the way we think. | 01:17:26 | |
| And and because there is a limited amount of water, we have to use our resources much more wisely. And the fortunate thing about | 01:17:32 | |
| Vineyard is because we're all brand new development, you have low flow toilets, you have a little flow of shower heads. So we're | 01:17:39 | |
| that's that's what put us into the lowest per capita of water use is because of the new construction. | 01:17:46 | |
| But as you say, there's certainly things that we can do to to better use water and that's where you know, George Schramm is | 01:17:54 | |
| looking at, you know. | 01:17:58 | |
| Converting unprogrammed turf areas. | 01:18:04 | |
| To more wise water uses and you know we're looking at our parks designs and stuff to to allow better water use. You know along 300 | 01:18:07 | |
| W there we used to just grasp all the detention basins. So we're we're changing our methods of development to better use our | 01:18:14 | |
| resources more wisely and we we certainly will put those reports together and be able to compare subdivisions. Thank you. Yeah and | 01:18:21 | |
| to add on to that as we get into the strategies and stuff I. | 01:18:28 | |
| We have a lot of parks up here in Vineyard and we don't want to just put cement over everything. We don't want just asphalt and | 01:18:36 | |
| cement. We still want it to be beautiful, we still want plants, we still want landscaping, but there are waterways. | 01:18:42 | |
| Ways to do that that are water wise and so as we get into the strategies, as we get into the nitty gritty about adding this to the | 01:18:49 | |
| general plan. | 01:18:53 | |
| We'll have more specific language as to what that is. We'll have more specific language as to what developers need to put in for | 01:18:58 | |
| their park strips. | 01:19:01 | |
| That isn't grass. That's water wise, but still looks beautiful. And so and to your point that's, you know, we we don't want to | 01:19:05 | |
| just. | 01:19:09 | |
| Big large areas of gravel because that creates heat and so we have to put a canopy of some type whether it be native grasses or | 01:19:15 | |
| trees that use less water to to lessen that heat island effect is what they call it, you know. So that that helps the whole | 01:19:20 | |
| overall goal too. | 01:19:26 | |
| Cool. | 01:19:32 | |
| All right. Do I have a motion on this? | 01:19:34 | |
| I move to approve Ordinance 202309 as presented by city staff. Is there a second? | 01:19:37 | |
| 2nd and this is roll call, Chris. Hi Anthony. | 01:19:43 | |
| Aye, aye, Craig. All right, all right. That passes. | 01:19:47 | |
| Chair on the training item. | 01:19:53 | |
| Yeah. On the training item we we're we're always going to kind of put some training on there and you can have a lot to do with it | 01:19:58 | |
| if you want or you can push it to the next meeting. On this one since we've gone through several items we're. | 01:20:04 | |
| You know, we can easily put that on our next owner. Find one where we only have one or two items. | 01:20:10 | |
| Something I'm doing now or you want to push it off? I'm OK pushing it off, Yeah, yeah. It's just a it's a really interesting video | 01:20:16 | |
| and I think it'll help. | 01:20:21 | |
| It's one of those that will watch a piece of the Rachel's gone through a bunch of time, so. | 01:20:27 | |
| She'll have some questions for us to discuss. She'll pause it and then we'll play a couple clips here and there. | 01:20:33 | |
| But yeah, it's up to you. | 01:20:39 | |
| Well, we have to get 4 hours and so we it's as long as throughout the year. | 01:20:44 | |
| So yeah, so it's it's really up to. | 01:20:50 | |
| You know the the Commission how long you want. | 01:20:55 | |
| So if you if you don't want to do tonight, we do another night, you can do half an hour. In the next meeting, we can do another | 01:20:58 | |
| half an hour. It's just up to you. What about you too? What do you guys? | 01:21:02 | |
| So so the the YouTube video has actually been removed by the user. So. | 01:21:09 | |
| And then it was up yesterday, but I just checked. It's not up. What's this purchase? We tried the training counts. | 01:21:15 | |
| We will buy the. | 01:21:27 | |
| Well, bye bye. It's, it's an old school. It's that's pretty good. Yeah. And also if you guys need training hours because you're | 01:21:30 | |
| supposed to get 4 hours of training, there are lots of different. | 01:21:35 | |
| Conventions and things for planners. | 01:21:40 | |
| That could be pretty cool. So yeah, we're all funded up. So any training, just report it back to me. And keeping track of all | 01:21:44 | |
| that, yeah, you can do your own. There's like online stuff, just let us know. | 01:21:48 | |
| Cool, All right, since we're not doing the training session and there is not a work session. | 01:21:55 | |
| We'll move to a Commission member reports and expertise, discussion and disclosure. | 01:22:02 | |
| Anything. | 01:22:08 | |
| Just one idea that popped into my head and one thing I want to share is. | 01:22:10 | |
| I may be in the minority with this, but I love all the data that drives these to try to make data-driven decisions and I think. | 01:22:14 | |
| It can't hurt to make that public, right? So, like these water reports per capita, that's pretty cool to see. | 01:22:22 | |
| You know, there could be perception that every person that moves in is a drop. Less water for me or something like that, but like | 01:22:28 | |
| letting them know that per capita might actually be. | 01:22:32 | |
| Improving even with some higher density or especially because it's higher density that could that could help with some of the. | 01:22:37 | |
| Different issues and opinions that go around, but in addition to that. | 01:22:45 | |
| You know, I just was looking at the amount of parking that's going to go in also with that tailors development and. | 01:22:50 | |
| I'll advocate for less parking in other situations, but I think it would be interesting to just know how many parking spaces exist | 01:22:57 | |
| in the City of Vineyard. | 01:23:01 | |
| First, per capita like that would be a fascinating metric to have like and also. | 01:23:06 | |
| Because my house is a small little house and it has two garage spots and two off street parking, so that's four right there. | 01:23:13 | |
| And if you counted that as well, I think people's minds would be blown at how much parking there is. And that's not even counting | 01:23:20 | |
| street parking. That where you could fit. | 01:23:24 | |
| Literally hundreds more just in my neighborhood now. I'm not advocating that, I'm just saying like it would be. | 01:23:29 | |
| It would, yeah. It would be interesting to just be aware. | 01:23:34 | |
| How much of this small 6 square mile city is devoted to parking? And it is AI. Don't I don't think there's any other single use | 01:23:38 | |
| that that would be more prominent in this city. | 01:23:44 | |
| Than car storage and I think it would be eye opening for a lot of yeah, thank you that's that's really good point. We can include | 01:23:50 | |
| that in our our parking study and master plan. | 01:23:55 | |
| So we. | 01:24:00 | |
| Interviewed the so I think most you know we've going to do a planning services contract and the plan is to elect like three to | 01:24:02 | |
| four different planning consultants that cover different specialties. | 01:24:08 | |
| And data is neutral and people can kind of decide and make decisions based off of that. But it also be interesting to see. | 01:24:57 | |
| We've probably got too much in areas that don't need it and too little in areas that do and like How do we remedy that so? | 01:25:05 | |
| Absolutely. | 01:25:11 | |
| Anything from. | 01:25:14 | |
| No. | 01:25:17 | |
| What was our update? Parking master plan? All right, I will say I will not be in attendance somewhere. First, I will be on the | 01:25:18 | |
| plane. | 01:25:22 | |
| OK. Thank you. | 01:25:27 | |
| Cool. All right. If that is everything, then meeting adjourned. | 01:25:29 | |
| Oh yeah. | 01:25:41 | |
| Yeah, I told my wife that I'd be home around 8:30 or 9. | 01:25:44 |