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Resident Daria Evans, living in The Villas subdivision thanked the city council and staff for providing an informative pamphlet. She thanked the Sheriff’s Department for having a patrol car at the crosswalk. She had a question about a dumpster and Ezra Nair told her it will be there indefinitely. She expressed concerns about Utah City.
Resident Russell Evans, living in The Villas subdivision, expressed concern about Utah City. Mayor Fullmer replied that Utah City was a large regional development that included Utah Valley University and Huntsman Cancer Institute.
ResidentTyler Haroldsen, living in the Edgewater Townhomes, read a mission statement from group called Strong Towns Vineyard. Mr. Haroldsen spoke about the Master Transportation Plan and shared a chart he created. He expressed concerns about the safety of the streets and suggested the city create a system to view the different roadways.
Resident Jordan Christensen, living in The Preserves subdivision, thanked city council and staff for the service project he was a part of.
Mayor Fullmer called for further public comments. Hearing none, she closed the public comments session.     4.      Mayor and COUNCILMEMBERS’ REPORTS/DISCLOSURES/RECUSALS
Councilmember Sifuentes reported on the Patriotic Event held by the city on September 11. She thanked the Utah County Sheriff’s Department and Orem Fire Department for their participation in the Patriotic Event.
Councilmember Welsh talked about youth council starting for the new year. Mayor Fullmer named the youth council with executive positions.
Mayor Fullmer reported on the Utah League of Cities and Towns conference. She mentioned that they had some meetings about transportation and encouraged the council to send their thoughts or take the time to meet with them.     5.      STAFF, COMMISSION, and committee REPORTS
5.1 City Manager Ezra Nair reported on the construction projects and introduced new employees, Deputy Recorder Heidi Jackman and part-time Recreation Coordinator Aaron Kohler.   6.      CONSENT ITEMS 6.1  Approval of a GRMU Amended Plat E
Motion: COUNCILMEMBER SIFUENTES MOVED TO APPROVE THE CONSENT ITEM AS PRESENTED. COUNCILMEMBER RASMUSSEN SECONDED THE MOTION. MAYOR FULLMER, COUNCILMEMBERS FLAKE, RASMUSSEN, SIFUENTES, AND WELSH VOTED YES. THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.     7.      Appointments No names were submitted.     8.   Presentations/recognitions/awards/PROCLAMATIONS No items were submitted.   9.      BUSINESS ITEMS 9.1 DISCUSSION AND ACTION – Fire Station Design Options Task Order City Manager Ezra Nair will present a fire station design options task order. The mayor and City Council will take appropriate action.
Mayor Fullmer turned the time over to City Manager Ezra Nair.
City Manager Ezra Nair discussed the Fire Station Design moving to step two of the process. More in-depth analysis and space planning. He stated that CRSA has been working with us on this project and has presented options we can take individually or collectively. He listed four separate options and discussed each one.   Option 1: A permanent single fire station, design cost just over $34,000. Mr. Nair said this could be at any of the four sites we are looking at to put at site one or two. Option 2: Sprung Station analysis. Not brick and mortar, has a 50-year life span station with a membrane structure. Mr. Nair said we could look at several sites for that. Looking at site one and two for this. Option 3: Public Works Facility Reuse Analysis. Repurposing the Public Works building, turning that into a fire station. Option 4: Repurpose City Hall into a fire station.
Mr. Nair stated that there are multiple sites and if they were chosen then there would be a discount.
Mr. Nair asked if anyone had any questions and introduced Chief Sandersen and CRSA.
Mayor Fullmer asked if there were any questions for Mr. Nair or CRSA.
Councilmember Sifuentes asked CRSA about having more details of the studies they have received.
City Manager Ezra Nair invited CRSA architect Laura Smith to approach the podium to answer questions.
Laura Smith, an architect with CRSA spoke about the analysis. She explained the study was done on a broad scale.
Councilmember Sifuentes said that she thought doing four more detailed site plans was excessive and instead should be narrowed down a little more. Discussion ensued about the location. Mayor Fullmer asked Councilmember Sifuentes if she had a location she preferred. Councilmember Sifuentes prefers a more central location. She discussed location and response time. Mayor Fullmer stated that the ARCH did not review the roads that were going in. With roads coming, she feels the response time would be different. Mayor Fullmer said she would love to see a projected timeline. Ms. Smith explained that additional analysis would be more of a schematic design programming analysis versus the site analysis done previously.
Mayor Fullmer commented that there are four options. The option for the permanent fire station design would be good if there was a site in mind. The fourth option that came in today for an adaptive reuse of City Hall is choosing that site, so there would be three sites. Mayor Fullmer recommended that they do two site adaptive reuse analysis with the projected roadways of both scenarios, one and two. She also wanted to include that with the four-minute driving distance at the 5:00 PM time frame. She recognizes that currently in our contract with Orem we have a temporary building that we have agreed to build. In 2022 we thought our ERU’s were 5500 units. She stated that in our audit we found that we haven’t reached that number and she is hoping Orem has some flexibility. Mayor Fullmer feels that a permanent fire station would be more productive for a long-term benefit. She understands if certain time constraints need to be met or if someone would like to look at viability of a temporary structure. She stated she is not throwing it out, it is a $17,000 cost difference between one versus many.
Councilmember Sifuentes had a question for Laura Smith and Chief Sandersen. She asked Ms. Smith if she would be prepared to give more information on the roadways. Ms. Smith responded that they have a transportation analysist on their team but was not included in what they proposed, but he is ready to add a proposal for that.
Mayor Fullmer stated she wanted to talk about site three. She spoke about site three and discussed her concerns with connectivity and level of service. Councilmember Sifuentes asked Mayor Fullmer to clarify what she said about putting something in a centralized location and that she wasn’t a fan of site three. Mayor Fullmer stated that she thinks it’s important to have something on the west side of the tracks. She said we are reestablishing where the freight line is.
Mayor Fullmer stated that the reason she didn’t want to pick one option. Regarding options one and two was because she feels like there is information lacking in level of service in driving distance and the significant cost difference. The cost difference makes or breaks it. Having an additional option like the Public Works building could potentially serve us long-term. She discussed using the PW building and the City Hall building.
Councilmember Sifuentes asked where the Public Works team would go when the fire station was built. Mayor Fullmer answered that the city purchased a mobile modular building. She stated that money could be spent to upgrade that. And also, a building is in the works for all the city employees to be in.
Orem Fire Department Chief Marc Sandersen approached the podium to answer questions. Councilmember Sifuentes asked about the contractual agreements regarding the number of units. A discussion ensued.
Mayor Fullmer stated that she had requested numbers and asked Chief Sandersen to talk about calls for service for 2021-2022. A discussion ensued regarding response times.
Councilmember Flake stated that he had conducted his own study regarding safety and would like to pursue the two-station idea. A discussion ensued regarding the safety of the community, cost and how to proceed. He stated he thinks we need to pursue the two stations. One station being here at city hall. Adapting it is the best move cost wise. Another station up north. He wants to come up with an adaptive plan. He stated he did not want a bond. He had concerns about the cost of a fire station.
Mayor Fullmer asked about buying a house and having an off shoot for vehicles. Chief Sandersen said they have done that before. She stated that as they are looking at a temporary opportunity that is costly. She discussed having a permanent and a temporary place and the timeline with cost.
Chief Sandersen responded that looking at the call volume, if they can get a fire truck out here with the adaptability of a house second station services can be scaled back and staff an ambulance that can support many of the calls. He stated there are a lot of options.
Mayor Fullmer wanted to add, why she wants the studies done soon is if costs can be cut it benefits the residents.
Councilmember Flake stated that he hated studies but understands that this decision requires good factual information. He is not comfortable without further information.
Councilmember Rasmussen added that she thinks its fantastic to live in a city where people agonize over details and care about the plan.
Councilmember Welsh stated that she loved studies.
Councilmember Sifuentes asked for clarification regarding the three studies. She listed each study. A study on a temporary station, a membrane. Study on the Public Works facility reuse. And a third study to change city hall into a fire station. Mayor Fullmer added that because it’s being combined, the cost goes down $10,000.
Chief Sandersen approached the podium and stated that shared space isn’t unheard of in public safety.
Ezra Nair stated that the cost savings was approved with the original three proposals. He said it could change with the new option.
Laura Smith approached the podium and said there would be a fee proposal for the traffic study.
Chief Sandersen came back to the podium to express his concern about the timeline for studies to be completed. Mayor Fullmer stated it was nine weeks. She said if they had to make an amendment to the contract they could and discussed that.
Mayor Fullmer recommended the two adaptive, reuse studies and everybody felt comfortable utilizing the membrane and adding additional funds for the projected-out road timelines for what we expect to see in the other locations.
Motion: COUNCILMEMBER FLAKE MOVED TO AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE TASK ORDER WITH CRSA ARCHITECHTS, OPTIONS 3 AND 4 WITH THE ADJUSTMENTS NOTED FOR THIS PLAN REVIEW. COUNCILMEMBER RASMUSSEN SECONDED THE MOTION. MAYOR FULLMER AND COUNCILMEMBERS FLAKE, RASMUSSEN, SIFUENTES, AND WELSH VOTED YES. THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.      10.  CLOSED SESSION No closed session was held.     11.  ADJOURNMENT
Mayor Fullmer called for a motion to adjourn the meeting.
Motion:   COUNCILMEMBER RASMUSSEN MOVED TO AJOURN THE MEETING AT 7:07 PM. CRISTY WELSH SECONDED THE MOTION. MAYOR FULLMER AND COUNCILMEMBERS FLAKE, RASMUSSEN, SIFUENTES, AND WELSH VOTED YES. THE MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY   MINUTES APPROVED ON:    September 27, 2023               CERTIFIED CORRECT BY:   /s/Heidi Jackman heidi jackman, deputy Recorder
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Are we roll? 00:00:08
Yes. OK. Today is September 13, 2023. The time is 603 and I'm going to go ahead and call the Vineyard City Council meeting into 00:00:09
session we're going to start with. 00:00:16
Pledge an Invitation by Ty Slake. 00:00:24
And then we will move on to the rest of our agenda. 00:00:28
Please stand. 00:00:31
Play. 00:00:34
I pledge allegiance to the flag. 00:00:35
Thank you. 00:00:46
Our Father in heaven, we give thee thanks for this beautiful day. 00:00:53
And for this fine city that we are privileged to live in, we ask that blessings. 00:00:57
Those who service our fire and police protection. 00:01:03
Those in the military who protect us equally well. 00:01:06
As they go about their. 00:01:10
We ask you to be with us tonight. We might discuss the affairs of this city. 00:01:13
And find those decisions which are appropriate and meaningful and. 00:01:19
Good. 00:01:24
Community in which we live. 00:01:26
We asked you to be with those who suffer or those who are ill. 00:01:28
And not with us, you say, Jesus Christ, Amen. 00:01:33
All right. We'll go ahead and move into our public comments. This is a time for anybody sitting in the audience that would like to 00:01:37
come and address the City Council on things that are not currently on the agenda. If you would like to do that, come to this 00:01:42
podium, state your name and where you're from. 00:01:47
Might as well put. 00:01:57
Daria Evans Vineyard Res. 00:01:59
I just want to get some thank yous tonight. 00:02:03
I'd like to thank the. 00:02:07
And the staff, Catherine and Bethany, for providing our leisure villas residents with this really good, informative counselor of 00:02:10
all the resources that are available in Vineyard. So thank you. I forgot to do that the last City Council meeting. 00:02:18
I also want to thank Officer Lieutenant Rockwell in the Sheriff's Department. 00:02:27
They had a patrol car. 00:02:33
At Freedom Prep Tuesday. 00:02:35
So needed. It's just really, really. 00:02:38
Dangerous. We rock it from pickleball. 00:02:42
On Thursday mornings and it's really kind of scary, so thank you for doing that. 00:02:46
I'm glad that the grocery store has been announced. 00:02:53
I want to thank Amber for the Gard. 00:02:56
Community garden e-mail that she sent out to me. Thank you very much. 00:03:01
I want to thank Tom. 00:03:07
In public works. 00:03:09
He came Saturday to help with. 00:03:11
Our September 11th cleanup. He cut down the trees along the wetlands. 00:03:16
And we helped put them in piles so the city could clean them up. That was a real good effort. 00:03:22
Think it's great that we have an opportunity as a community to help. 00:03:30
With. 00:03:35
Projects and I hope that Vineyard will continue to be a city that the community wants to be involved with. 00:03:37
I will also. 00:03:45
On my bike ride this morning I. 00:03:47
A dumpster at the Center St. trailhead. 00:03:50
Is that permanent or is that temporary? 00:03:53
We're we're planning to have it there for the long haul, so. 00:03:57
Thank you. 00:04:01
Thank you. Thank you very much. I appreciate. That was good. 00:04:03
I did follow up with contacting Pete Evans and Nate Hutchinson. 00:04:11
About my concerns with Utah City, they did answer my first. 00:04:16
And they corrected the address from Utah City to. 00:04:21
They did not correct. 00:04:25
My next two emails, I have not heard from them. 00:04:27
And that's my report. Yeah. I just want to thank everybody for all the good things that you're doing. 00:04:30
So thank you very much. Thanks, Daria. 00:04:37
Ross Blevins and those and just a little about Utah City. My wife caught him three times aggrandizing himself or Vineyard 00:04:50
Vineyard. 00:04:53
Utah City, Utah. Not Utah City, then of Utah. 00:04:58
And I think that it needs to stop. 00:05:02
Also, they're claiming to be the home of. 00:05:06
You know, where do they get that claim? That's a total falsehood. And on their website they're claiming that and. 00:05:09
You know I'm not big on Utah City. 00:05:16
But, and I'm just not big on the misrepresenting themselves. 00:05:19
And I'm not sure if. 00:05:23
Something can be done to call him Tom on it, or he's calling on it. They've ignored the last two times that she emailed them. 00:05:26
So just wanted to hammer that down a little bit more. Thank you. Thanks, Russ. 00:05:33
Thanks for that information. I think just for clarity purposes, they have 225 acres of UV on their property and I think that's why 00:05:38
they're calling it the home of UVU and I think UVU works with them a lot and feels similarly to them. So. But if we do see it on 00:05:45
the naming we we will pay attention to it. Thank you. 00:05:52
Hi, my name is Tyler Harrelson. I'm a resident in the Edgewater townhomes. 00:06:07
But today, I'm not talking for myself. I'm talking for a small group of residents that have been meeting call ourselves Strong 00:06:12
Towns. 00:06:16
Just because this is our first time. 00:06:21
Having someone talk to you, I figured I'd read our missing statement. It's to make vineyards safe, livable, inviting, accessible, 00:06:23
and financially sustainable. 00:06:27
And to give residents the freedom to choose what transportation method? 00:06:32
Best suits their needs. 00:06:35
Wanted to make two recommendations or requests. We don't really have the power. You have power so requests of you tonight the 00:06:38
first had to do with. 00:06:42
Master Transportation plan that got talked about in the last meeting. I believe it was the last meeting. 00:06:47
They talked about level of service when they were talking about the car section. We think that's a great measure of some things. 00:06:52
Just like any measuring stick, a ruler doesn't measure temperature or density or anything like that. It's not good at measuring 00:06:59
everything, but it's a good measure of. 00:07:03
Kind of the throughput of cars, how efficiently cars are moving and we wanted to recommend that you add a couple more measures 00:07:08
they presented. 00:07:12
Little chart, it says. 00:07:17
I know if you could read it, 3 different classifications of Rd. We've got mobility here and access here. 00:07:19
Level of service. 00:07:26
Sorry, you look back here. 00:07:29
They level service measures mobility very well, but it does not measure access. 00:07:33
We would like to see a measure of access. I know it's not perfect, but N level of service, so we'd like to see a measure of access 00:07:40
be brought in it. Also they didn't bring up any safety measures. 00:07:45
We'd like to see some sort of measurement of how safe they predict streets to be. 00:07:50
Again, this will probably not be perfect, but nothing is when you're predicting in the future. So that's our first recommendation 00:07:55
and I'll try to keep the second one quick as well. 00:07:59
We recommend that you come up with some sort of system to review the different roadways in our city and designate them as one of 00:08:05
two things. You can name them whatever you want, obviously. 00:08:11
We taught them streets and roads, and this is something that the national Strong Towns organization also recommends. 00:08:18
I'll define a street would be a high access low speed place that the idea is that the destination so you. 00:08:24
You don't want fast cars going through a residential neighborhood going 50 miles an hour or a business neighborhood or anything 00:08:32
like that. Some of the design features would be. 00:08:37
If there needs to be speed bumps, there would be speed bumps. You have the raised intersections in this place. You have a lot of 00:08:42
traffic calming to keep cars going slow because that keeps things pleasant. 00:08:46
It's not as loud, it's not as smelly, and most of all, it's a lot safer for people who are walking and biking and and as well as 00:08:51
people in cars, because fast cars are dangerous to other fast cars too. 00:08:56
The opposite and the exact opposite end of this would be, oh sorry. And on this chart, a street would be at the very bottom. There 00:09:03
you have all access, No concern about level of service at all because it's not a place to go through. We don't care about how fast 00:09:10
they're going through, only a place to go to. You just care about access. 00:09:16
The exact opposite end. We recommend you detonate some streets and roads as this. We call it A. 00:09:24
That's just our made-up name for it, but that's someplace that is only focused on having cars go through as fast as possible, as 00:09:31
efficiently as possible. The number. 00:09:36
Thing you want to focus on is level of service. You don't want to have businesses on the side because you're going to have cars 00:09:41
coming out of them and and slowing people down and making things dangerous. You don't want to have bikers there. You want to ban 00:09:44
the bikers because they're going to slow things down. You want to ban pedestrians there. They're going to slow things down. 00:09:48
They're going to be unsafe. 00:09:52
So that's our recommendation. 00:09:56
Right now, sorry I'm taking so long. I'm trying to wrap up right now. Some places, a lot of places have what we would call 00:09:58
strodes. 00:10:03
That's a terrible name for a terrible place. The national organization nicknamed them the Futon of Transportation FUT. 00:10:07
Trying to be a bed and trying to be a couch. And it sucks at both of them. 00:10:15
And the strobes are trying to be a street and they're trying to be road, and they suck at both of them. 00:10:20
You have the people who are trying to use it as a road. They want to go really fast. They want to get through this place. They 00:10:26
don't care about how safe it is for pedestrians or other cars, or to some extent to other cars. 00:10:32
Or bikers. They want to get rid of all the bikers. They want to get rid of all the pedestrians. They don't care how loud it is. 00:10:38
And they're always going to be mad at the people who want to add in more bikes and pedestrian infrastructure and slow down the 00:10:43
cars. By contrast, the people who want it to be St. 00:10:48
They want it to be a street. They want it to be safe for their kids to walk across the street. They want it to be safe enough that 00:10:53
their kid could throw a ball and play soccer when there aren't a ton of cars there without worry that a car is going to come 00:10:58
around the corner and and hit them. They want to be able to ride their bikes in this area. They want to be able. 00:11:03
Walk across the street whenever they feel like it and negotiate and have that less noise from the cars less. 00:11:09
Not as smelly from the cars and those sorts of places. So we recommend you don't build any strodes. We recommend that you 00:11:16
designate every roadway as either a street or a road. And if you allow me, I do have an anecdote about. 00:11:22
Personal experience in mind, in throats, if you allow me the time I know I'm already over. 00:11:29
Go ahead. OK, I have an in law his name. 00:11:34
Is not Dan, but I'm going to call him Dan because I don't want to bring him into this too much. 00:11:39
A couple years ago, he. 00:11:45
Driving down a strode in Saint George. Speed limit is 45. 00:11:49
There was a couple in a car that were. 00:11:55
I looked up the map of where they were coming out. 00:11:58
It looked like it was a like a mall and it had a bunch of restaurants, so I imagine they're probably going to lunch or having a 00:12:01
good time somewhere. 00:12:05
Dan was driving straight down the road. The couple. I guessed the guy. 00:12:12
Made a small misjudgment as. 00:12:17
How much time he needed before he could turn left. He went, turned left and slammed on his brakes. 00:12:20
But and swerved. But it didn't. 00:12:27
Because the circumstances he T boned them and they both died. 00:12:31
They were 67 both of. 00:12:38
I looked up their obituary. 00:12:41
Obituaries. 00:12:44
They were high school sweethearts, about a year away from their 50th wedding anniversary. 00:12:45
Umm. 00:12:50
The wife. 00:12:51
Her dad was still alive and the husband's mother was still alive, so two parents had to bury their kids. 00:12:52
Had eight kids and 30 grandkids. 00:12:59
And at the time, I was not involved in any Strong Towns or anything like that. I was just like, man, that sucks. 00:13:05
A side note, Dan got a broken arm. 00:13:10
Originally he was going to be charged with manslaughter 2 counts. 00:13:13
But they found the investigation found that there was no evidence of wrongdoing. He wasn't drunk, he wasn't speeding as far as 00:13:17
they could tell, and he wasn't distracted. As far as they could tell, this is in broad daylight. 00:13:21
What I was looking over, I was preparing my notes for you today. My thought of the story and I realized. 00:13:29
The city and Oregon State built a road there. They would have never been hit because they're not. Like I said, roads should not 00:13:37
have any. 00:13:40
Business access. 00:13:45
Or residential access onto this fast moving Rd. You have to go onto the street and then the street have designated intersections 00:13:47
that are very highly. 00:13:53
To go onto the roads so you minimize. 00:13:59
Injuries. 00:14:03
So they. 00:14:04
Alive, presumably today. 00:14:06
If it had been a road and if it had been a street. 00:14:09
They would have to make a lot of these. 00:14:13
Small judgment calls, but it's. 00:14:15
Low cost environment. Comparatively, no one would have ever been going 45 miles an hour. 00:14:18
They would been going 20. They would have much more time to make a better judgment call. 00:14:25
They would have had much more time to stop, and even if they did get into a collision, would have been 20 miles an hour, so they 00:14:31
probably would have been. 00:14:34
Had some whiplash and a dent in their car that would need it, but they built a Stroud instead. 00:14:38
That. 00:14:44
That's our recommendation that you do not build any more scrubs that you designate systematically. 00:14:47
Streets and roads and. 00:14:54
Have it be a public comment because it's very influential on us. I like Morgan in the scene. 00:14:56
But I would prefer to have this this kind of me talking. The group didn't talk about this, but I would prefer to have. 00:15:01
Up to someone who I elected who reflects my values and and I can be certain that they reflect my values. So thank you. The seat 00:15:07
that you brought and you talked about could you live it with Heidi so that she can attach it to our meeting. 00:15:15
Thank you for saying you're sorry, I'm sorry to hear that. 00:15:22
All right. Go ahead. 00:15:26
Next. 00:15:29
Hello, I'm Jordan Christensen. I live in the preserves. I just want to say that I participated in the Strong Town Service project 00:15:31
to repair part of the trail over by the railroad tracks. I want to clarify, we call this a service project, but it was really 95%, 00:15:38
just the Papua work team teaching us how to properly level and compact asphalt. 00:15:45
So. 00:15:53
It should really be thanking them, but I do want to say thank you for committing city resources to doing this. Ten years ago I was 00:15:54
living in a neighborhood South of BYU campus in Provo, where. 00:16:01
As if you've ever walked around there, One of the many crumbling sidewalks was right outside of our apartment, and we submitted a 00:16:08
similar request to the city to have them come repair the the collapsed sidewalk. And I was over there a couple weeks ago and I 00:16:16
noticed that they still haven't done it. It's been 10 years. 00:16:23
Surprising that they haven't ever found it in their budget to be able to do that, so thank you for. 00:16:32
Being Provo. 00:16:39
Russell living still live in the village and. 00:16:46
But once the clarification there please to me, either you the UVU owns the proper, your Utah city owns the property. 00:16:52
You said that 225 acres of UVU is on is on Utah. 00:16:59
So someone's got a business, some type of joint ownership type thing. 00:17:04
I think the way that they're describing it is that they're in a large regional development that encompasses UVU as part of the 00:17:09
partnership that they're working with and so UVU U of. 00:17:16
Are all attached to the regional development and that's what they're talking about. Is that their home, the development itself, 00:17:24
the regional development is home. 00:17:29
Those groups, I'm sure at some point they'll say their home to Huntsman Cancer Institute, even though they don't own the property 00:17:33
and that they're not you of you, but their development as they've been sharing that land and as they've been selling that land and 00:17:39
donating that land to those groups. 00:17:44
That's where that's coming in and I imagine they'll say it for the grocery store. 00:17:50
As well and any entity that comes in in the future, that's what. 00:17:54
OK. Thank you. Just like I said. 00:17:58
I think they've been misrepresenting things. Thank you. 00:18:01
Thanks. 00:18:04
All right. Any more comments? 00:18:06
No. All right. We'll go ahead and close our public comments and we'll move on to mayor and council member reports. 00:18:09
Amber. 00:18:17
Marty, yesterday's event was awesome. 00:18:18
We got a lot of positive feedback. 00:18:24
The drone show was great, the program was inspiring and I just want to thank. 00:18:28
The mayor for this wonderful idea to move, to reschedule it to the 9/11 date and to make it such a wonderful patriotic event and 00:18:34
thank staff for all their hard work, I think the community really appreciated it and I found a lot of people were really moved by 00:18:40
it. So that's it. 00:18:46
So we had our first Vineyard Youth Council meeting of this. 00:18:56
School year last night and it went so well and I just wanted. 00:19:01
Give a big shout out and gratitude to our city staff for really coming together and really helping us transition Youth Council 00:19:07
this year to to really reflect what I think we've hoped to do the. 00:19:14
However, I mean honestly, youth councils are going since the 90s but. 00:19:22
We're always growing up here, a little bit more in Vineyard and. 00:19:27
We're really excited to have the kids in our city, our youth. 00:19:31
Have a. 00:19:35
A. 00:19:38
Really get to know what government does in a real life scenario. And so they the youth that came last night. 00:19:41
Ran little elections for for spots and they're going to sit up here in their meetings in the future and run their meetings. And so 00:19:51
we have a new youth city mayor, a new youth city manager, a service chair, a recorder, a beautification chair and a meetings and 00:19:56
election chair. And while you do this announcement, I'm just going to say their names and make it official and there's 00:20:02
appointments so that they can. 00:20:07
They'll come back at some time and be sworn in, so let's do that really quick. Darius V for city manager, Braley Heath for 00:20:14
beautification chair. Ashley May for recorder, Natalie W for elections meetings, Leo S for service chair, Mackenzie S for mayor, 00:20:21
and William T for activity chair. Bye. 00:20:27
That was. 00:20:35
If there's anything that still want to be involved with it, we'll we'll take more use so they can fill out the application and 00:20:37
come to our future meetings. Meetings will be on the 1st Thursdays of the month here at 6:00 PM. 00:20:42
In the city, OK. 00:20:48
The council also attended the Utah League of Cities and Towns. 00:20:52
Each of them got to go and our staff was also there representing and meeting with cities across the state. 00:20:56
That was really great. I'm thankful that you were able to talk about the youth council. We've been having really good meetings 00:21:04
about transportation. I hope the council has had time to either send in your thoughts about the transportation or take time to 00:21:10
meet with them. That's going to be really important as they start moving into further studies. And then I'll turn a little bit of 00:21:15
time over to our city manager, Ezra. 00:21:21
Yes, just a few items. Construction is still continuing throughout the city, especially on our roadways as we put our pipelines in 00:21:29
underneath those roads. Please don't drive through cones or around cones or. 00:21:36
Just notify us if somebody knocks them down by driving through it, because it makes it really confusing on where everybody needs 00:21:44
to go, not that we've had any specific incidences of that this week. 00:21:48
And then we'd also like to welcome a few new employees. If you'll notice Pam is not sitting up there today. We have Heidi Jackman 00:21:53
who is our new Deputy Recorder. So she will be helping Pam out who has been a essentially one person show with just the part time 00:22:01
Deputy Recorder Kelly helping her out. And so as the city grows and expands that we continue to provide better service. So we're 00:22:08
very happy to have her. She comes from Alpine city government. So she has a lot of great experience and. 00:22:15
Very excited about her. 00:22:23
And then we also are welcoming Aaron Kohler. He will be filling the position of our part-time recreation coordinator. He's a BYU 00:22:24
student, so if you see him around helping out with soccer or other types of recreation sports. 00:22:31
Be sure to say hi, introduce yourself. 00:22:38
Talk out with curly hair. 00:22:40
That. 00:22:42
Thank you so much. 00:22:43
Can I add most importantly for our event? 00:22:45
Our 9/11 event. Thank you up to our sheriff and our fire department. 00:22:50
You guys made the show what it was so. 00:22:55
So sorry, I didn't say that in the begin. 00:22:59
Yes, beautiful speeches as well, all of you. So thank you. OK With that, we'll go on to our consent agenda. I just need a motion. 00:23:01
I move to approve the consent items as presented. Can I get a second second? 00:23:15
Alright, just want to make sure I don't need a roll call on this. 00:23:21
OK. All in favor, aye. Any opposed? 00:23:26
All right. We'll move on to our business item discussion and accident action fire station design options task Order and Ezra will 00:23:30
present. 00:23:35
Yes. So as we've been studying out different site options for our fire station. 00:23:43
We're coming on step two of the process, which is to do a more in depth analysis and space planning for whichever multiple sites 00:23:50
that we want to look at. 00:23:54
CRSA has been. 00:24:00
Working with us on this project and they've presented a number of different options that we could take individually or 00:24:02
collectively. 00:24:05
To proceed with the next step of this process. So that'll help us get a better idea of what the building would look like, the uses 00:24:10
inside the building, and it's an exciting next step to this planning process. So with that, there's 4/4 separate options that. 00:24:18
Are presented here. 00:24:27
Option one permanent single fire station that design costs would be $34,000 just over that. 00:24:29
That could be any site of the four different sites that we we've selected we're we're opting to look at either site one or two 00:24:38
that seem to be the the more immediate sites that will be ready for for that to if that's the option we want to go with to. 00:24:45
Move. 00:24:53
Sprung station analysis, So. 00:24:56
Structure that is. 00:25:00
A little bit less. It's not brick and mortar, but it's a. 00:25:03
50 year. 00:25:06
Station that would be more of a membrane structure on the outside. We can look at a number of sites for that. So the proposal that 00:25:08
we received has space at essentially 2 sites, two separate sites for those again sites one and two. 00:25:15
Um. 00:25:24
The public works facility reuse analysis, so that is repurposing of our existing public works building. 00:25:24
To essentially convert that into a fire. 00:25:30
And then also another proposal for repurposing of this building for a fire station. So those are four options that we have 00:25:33
presented we could. 00:25:38
Again, pick a number of. 00:25:44
With the sprung station analysis that the cost that you see there is per site, so if you want to look at 2 sites for that, it 00:25:46
would just be double the cost that's on there. 00:25:51
That those are following option there is a little bit of a discount for if we wanted to do multiple sites at once, we could 00:25:56
provide that instruction multiple options at once. 00:26:02
Umm. 00:26:08
And I would just it would kind of be like a package deal for some of the work that will. 00:26:08
They can do both at the same time essentially, and save some cost there. 00:26:14
And with that, feel free to ask any questions we have Chief Sanderson here as well as well as the CR say. 00:26:17
We are all here to help answer any questions. 00:26:26
OK. Any questions for Ezra? 00:26:30
Might have questions for. 00:26:36
C. 00:26:40
I guess I'm wondering because I was looking at our study that we've we already have and I'm just gonna up to the mic if you'd 00:26:41
like, wondering if we could get more details on what we're gonna see because. 00:26:47
On, for example, the permanent single station or the temporary station by City Hall. 00:26:54
It's like we have a lot of information and so I'm just kind of. 00:27:01
Wondering what more we're going to be getting from an additional study? 00:27:05
Yeah. Thank you. I'm Laura Smith. I'm an architect with Sierra State. So the the analysis that we did before was about. 00:27:09
The total footprint on a site, so we are looking at. 00:27:19
Will you know the square footage that on your site and can you get your trucks and then can you get your trucks out and so by 00:27:22
looking at those four sites, looking at response times? 00:27:28
It was a side analysis. Really unfair this. 00:27:34
Looking at a floor plan. 00:27:39
Umm. 00:27:42
And then getting an accurate cost of what a floor plan would be. So um. 00:27:43
It was just. 00:27:48
Much broader scale. 00:27:49
And now that you've honed down sort of some options of wanting to do temporary station versus wanting to do some adaptive reuse 00:27:51
analysis. 00:27:56
It's very much. 00:28:02
Based on a. 00:28:03
How can this been in the building and what does that cost? 00:28:05
So that's why it's it's more of a schematic design programming. 00:28:08
Analysis versus the site analysis that we did before. 00:28:12
I think that covers my question. 00:28:17
I think for the Council. 00:28:20
I would like to see this less narrow down a little bit more. 00:28:23
I think that doing. 00:28:27
More detailed site plans is a little. It's like I feel like it's excessive when we could maybe narrow it down and have 00:28:30
conversations which ones were more leaning towards. 00:28:35
Like I have, I have some opinions on a site idea that maybe I don't want as much, but I don't want to block out information if the 00:28:43
rest of the council is super interested in it. 00:28:49
And so I was just hoping to have that conversation. 00:28:55
Do you have one that you prefer? 00:28:58
I prefer. 00:29:02
I prefer a more centralized location. I feel that if we go up north. 00:29:06
By the Linden Marina, I feel like we're only getting 180 degrees. 00:29:12
Range or service area. 00:29:17
And it doesn't. According to this study that we already have. It wouldn't even serve us Vineyard Grove Park. 00:29:20
Within the four minute criteria. 00:29:26
And. 00:29:29
As of right now, maybe down the road in a couple years as we develop our downtown, it would have quicker roadways. 00:29:30
But if we're going to build something sooner than later? 00:29:37
I don't see the purpose of building something that far north when my house will still get serviced by probably station 3. 00:29:42
In. 00:29:49
And so I kind of think that as a community as a whole, if we're going to build a station now, it should service the community as a 00:29:50
whole. 00:29:54
I would say in response to that that the ARC GIS didn't actually review any of the study, any of the roads that were going in 00:29:58
presently and it wasn't a projected analysis. And so they couldn't see what roads were coming up with a time frame with the roads 00:30:05
that are being currently built that would be built before the station, I think that time. 00:30:12
Difference would show something else with that, I think with this task order that we're doing, I would love to see a proposed. 00:30:20
Projected timeline of the roads that are currently under construction and the roads that are coming into construction, so that we 00:30:28
can see what that looks like because well, I feel what you're saying is really pertinent. I also know that we're building this for 00:30:35
2530 years and so we want to make sure that the location that we choose. 00:30:41
Is good for the long term. 00:30:48
And. 00:30:51
So I would, I would say that we include that in. 00:30:52
So are you feeling you want to move forward with all four site plans, I think that? 00:30:55
There's four options, and the option for the permanent single fire station design is one that you would do. 00:31:03
If you had a site in mind, the 4th one that came in today for the City Hall, you're doing an adaptive reuse analysis is choosing 00:31:11
that site. So it would be 3. But my recommendation would be that we do 2 site adaptive reuse analysis with the projected roadways 00:31:19
of both scenario one and two. 00:31:27
And I would also like to include that with the four minute driving distance at the 5:00 PM time frame. 00:31:36
And I recognize that currently in our contract with Orem, we have a temporary building that we have agreed to build at this time 00:31:43
because in 2022 we thought our ER US were at 5500 units. 00:31:50
With our recent audit of ER use, we're not actually at that number. And so I'm hoping that Orem has some flexibility in that just 00:31:59
because I see a permanent fire station as being more productive for our long term benefit than a temporary. But I totally did if 00:32:06
we need to meet certain certain time constraints or if somebody would like to look at the viability of a temporary structure. So 00:32:13
I'm not throwing it out because I recognize it is. 00:32:20
Doing all of it, it's like a 17,000 cost difference between one versus many. And I I see that that $17,000 that could make a 00:32:28
significant difference between millions of dollars in infrastructure costs being worth. 00:32:36
Worth. 00:32:44
And. 00:32:46
I have a question for Laura and then for Chief Sanderson. Laura, with what the mayor just described, her desire to get more of the 00:32:48
roadways and the timelines for future roadways, is that something that you'll be prepared to? 00:32:55
Satisfying. 00:33:02
Yes, we have a transportation analysis on our team. 00:33:06
That was not necessarily included and and what we proposed thus far, but he's already on our team and he's he's ready to to put a 00:33:10
proposal, a few proposals together for that. So So what Mayor Fulmer and I talked about this morning is that we did an in house 00:33:16
analysis based on the information that was available to us on GIS, but that transportation expert can create his own analysis. So 00:33:23
we'll just have to include that. 00:33:30
With the proposal just to talk about Site 3 and kind of add to what I was saying, I wrote some of my thoughts down. But Site 3 is 00:33:37
on the east side of the Union Pacific Railroad line. So that's 1200 N on the flagship property and it has a road connection 00:33:44
timeline that I really feel is insufficient to meet the service demands of the community. The connectivity location was actually 00:33:52
pulled in the study out to Geneva. And so we can't actually see the benefits of the times of how it's servicing people. 00:34:00
Because while it would be wonderful if our planned connections with 1200 and all of those things, no, we're all timely. We're 00:34:07
coming in at a timely phase. 00:34:12
I worry about putting something out there that's actually in the internal site and then we don't reach those timelines and 00:34:18
suddenly we missed that service, that level of service. 00:34:23
I think that you repeat that last thing you said. 00:34:29
Which last thing you were saying that? 00:34:33
The very last sentence, like putting something in the centralized location, went service. Everything OK no, what I'm saying is. 00:34:36
In the map of the land which we don't have it on, but in this scenario. 00:34:43
1200 N and where we would have it is lined up with about 1600 N. 00:34:49
Where we would have if we did the public works. That's number three, right? 00:34:54
That's no, I'm talking about scenario 3 for the flagship. Oh, I'm sorry, I'm looking at the e-mail. So you're talking about on the 00:34:59
study scenario 3? 00:35:03
And while we have our overpasses, you never know if there's some kind of emergency that comes up, and it would be great to have 00:35:41
something. 00:35:44
The West side of the tracks, I think. 00:35:47
The reason why I don't just want to pick one. 00:35:51
Over the analysis. 00:35:54
Of both scenario one and two is that I just feel like relaxing information regarding the level of service on driving distance and 00:35:57
the potential significant cost difference. 00:36:02
The cost difference is makes or breaks it for us because it's the difference between bonding or. 00:36:07
Really extending our timeline if we're not able to and so having this additional option at the public workstation where we could 00:36:15
have something. 00:36:20
That could potentially service us long term, would be fabulous but. 00:36:24
It's fairly similar, but if it's at a serious cost reduction, we could also transform this building and the reason why I used or 00:37:08
ask for adaptive use on this building. 00:37:14
Is because right now the proposed site plan is to build off site over in our park corridor and it takes out part of our park 00:37:20
corridor and then there's the shared facility that we have to figure out parking. But if we transform this building into a shared 00:37:25
use and we put the fire. 00:37:31
Somewhere within this parking lot and we have these two exits that come out, we can still maintain the park and then do shared 00:37:37
parking on that side. So potentially we could move up our total timeline for completion of a fire station now long term. 00:37:45
We would now have a central location on. 00:37:53
A location on the north, all on the West side, and then on Orem we're still being serviced right across the I-15. I think it's at 00:37:56
Station 3. 00:38:00
These at some point we decide, OK, we want to move into our own ability to serve ourselves, or potentially just for a different 00:38:06
location. Because our roadways come in on the east side, the Public Works building will have been transformed with filtration and 00:38:12
dividers and walls. 00:38:19
That will allow the public works building to be used in a way it can't currently be used right now. In fact, some of the requests 00:38:26
that are coming in is to have additional space put on site so that we can facilitate some of the work zones that we were doing 00:38:33
because of the lack of filtration. And so it would be great if at some point if we wanted to move a fire station. 00:38:40
To the east side, on 1200, we would have a fire station on the northeast and a fire station on the southwest. 00:38:47
That was on both sides of our track lines, in case we ever did. 00:38:58
Separate ourselves from Orem. So in that scenario that you just said, I'm going to try to recap it because I want to make sure I 00:39:03
understood you're you're. 00:39:07
We would make it at the public works facility and then possibly transition to a full a single station in the East Geneva if we if 00:39:12
we wanted to. What I'm saying is if all of a sudden we moved out of our contract and we saw a need at this time to capture 00:39:18
something on the east side because we really need it on the West side. If at that time we saw it to capture on the east side like 00:39:24
in 15 years if Chief Sanderson leaves us and we're like what happened to you, you know, where did you go? And we decided, OK, 00:39:31
we're going to do this by ourselves. 00:39:37
And we wanted to transition it at this time, the city would have grown enough that the public works facility would be able to 00:39:44
people could move back into the public works facility and then. 00:39:50
Transfer that money onto the east side of the 1200 N location and now you would have complete coverage of both locations. Where 00:39:56
are you just? I'm sure you don't have an answer for this, but where are you proposing to put the public works team? 00:40:03
We would then have a gathering place that they could go back to. So not only would they be coming back for a team, but they'd have 00:40:46
on site offices in those spaces as well. 00:40:51
Steve Sanderson, Can I ask. 00:40:57
Thank you. 00:40:59
But I have to tell you after the 9/11. 00:41:01
UH program last night. 00:41:03
And recognizing like the last 30 people that I've. 00:41:05
I'm pretty old and so I can't guarantee you how long I'm going to be around. 00:41:10
I mean, these kids don't even remember they weren't even born with 911. And so it's strange to me. 00:41:13
Strange. 00:41:20
Can we talk about our contractual obligations now that our units are actually not? 00:41:21
So that we didn't pass the 5500 units in. 00:41:28
Yeah. So the last conversation we had sat down with Ezra and Bran, the city manager with Orem, was that we're we want to make sure 00:41:32
the vineyard makes the right decision. 00:41:36
And so any kind of time crunch that we felt we were under. 00:41:41
I mean, I think we just barely cross. 00:41:45
The number now, which we thought we crossed two years ago to trigger the. 00:41:48
And so. 00:41:52
There's really no there's really no rush. The rush comes from response times and the call for service from your community. 00:41:54
And I mean, I I'm prepared to just talk some numbers really quickly if now is a good time or yeah, that would be great. I actually 00:42:01
request the numbers and I was hoping they would send them with you because I haven't received them. So that's that would be 00:42:07
wonderful. Yeah. I just want to talk really quickly calls for service, so year 2022 and this is calendar year. 00:42:13
There were 339 EMS requests and 117 fire requests for a total of 456 calls. 00:42:20
So I mean, we're barely 1.5 calls a day. 00:42:28
Given that kind of call volume? 00:42:32
And then year to date for 2023, we sit at 262 E. 00:42:34
And 55 Fire with a total of 317. 00:42:39
And. 00:42:42
Quick math, we're pretty flat which is interesting to me because I would have expected based off the call volume in the traffic 00:42:44
that those numbers would be going up. But they're, I mean by the end of the year I would say that they're probably. 00:42:49
Going to be. 00:42:56
Now when you look at response times and now our response times are based off the fiscal year, so I mean it. 00:42:59
It all works with the numbers, however, so July 22 to June of 23. 00:43:06
For Orem within Orems geographical boundary, so every station there's four stations 123 and four. They all have a designed area 00:43:12
that's based on travel and response time so that we can service the the community as quick as possible. 00:43:19
The average. 00:43:26
Within Orem is 6 minutes. 00:43:28
And I mean, the study shows that. I mean the goal. 00:43:31
Less than 6 minutes for sure, but with the study that we've done based off of the locations. 00:43:36
Stations within Ore. 00:43:42
Along with the traffic pattern. 00:43:44
Orem's never going to meet. You know the the three to 4 1/2 minute response time national average expectation for. 00:43:46
Without. 00:43:55
You know, building 4 more fire stations and then trying. 00:43:56
Place those appropriately. It's just not feasible and so even within. 00:44:00
Jurisdiction with our four stations responding in the four areas in Orem. 00:44:05
We're significantly slower than what? 00:44:10
I have an expectation level for our service. 00:44:13
When you look at the. 00:44:16
Average to Vineyard for those 1.41.5 calls per day worth 7 minutes and 32 seconds. 00:44:18
So significantly longer, I mean 90 seconds, you might think that 90 seconds doesn't seem like a long time, but you got a dispatch 00:44:25
process, you got a call taker process that that just continue to add to that. 00:44:31
The only things that we can do from the service level is. 00:44:37
Dispatch the call quicker means our dispatch center has to be more proactive in obtaining a name and an address and an issue to 00:44:41
dispatch fire or police. 00:44:47
Or medical. And then we have to get her **** out of the station faster. 00:44:53
We really can't drive faster. I mean with traffic, even when we turn our lights and siren on. I encourage our guys to go the speed 00:44:58
limit. 00:45:01
Because big heavy trucks outside that. 00:45:05
Speed limit. We just end up crashing and we don't get to the call anyway, so we can't affect the travel time. There's little 00:45:08
things that we can do with lights and changing signals, but in the long run the scope is quick for dispatch and get out of the 00:45:14
station faster. 00:45:19
Currently July. 00:45:26
Umm. 00:45:30
Or. 00:45:31
Yet June to. 00:45:33
I'm sorry those those times initially that I gave you were 21 to 20? 00:45:39
I'm sorry. And it wasn't 22 to 23. So this is the interesting thing that we stayed flat. 00:45:44
So in 21 to 22 our Orem times was 5 minutes and 35 seconds. 00:45:51
Vineyards times with six minutes and 50 seconds. So the interesting thing is if you. 00:45:56
I hadn't screwed up the numbers is we're running the same kind of volume, but we're slower and everybody can understand that if 00:46:02
you go drive the road, it'll be 28 minutes to drive from Orem City Center Center St. and. 00:46:09
To get to this meeting and so even though the call volume stay. 00:46:15
It's just a much slower response and so of all you stay the same, the trend going up in our response. 00:46:20
I think suggests the urgency to get us out into a serviceable area sooner than later. 00:46:26
Umm. 00:46:33
Regardless. 00:46:34
But honestly, it's us supporting whatever decision you guys make and that decision is. 00:46:36
Service in your community. 00:46:42
Well, and we, I think we all feel that. I know that just looking at the ER you study, it's really hard to calculate that off of 00:46:45
level of service demand because we're we might have just hit that mark, but we want better service and we want to meet the numbers 00:46:52
that you're talking about. And I think This is why it's important to me to say what can we get in that's permanent that takes us 00:47:00
away from a $20 million long term and brings us back to a four to $9 million thing that we can provide service to our community. 00:47:07
At two points of our community and and provide that service right now that we just don't have the ability to do. 00:47:15
You know, and that's not just costs of the stations that we end up having to pay for. It's the $3,000,000 that it takes to run 00:47:22
those stations and making sure that we're up to date on all of those resources and keeping those things going. And so just as I'm 00:47:30
looking at from a fiscally smart situation of how do we stretch those dollars, how do we provide the most service over time. And 00:47:37
if we did want to switch it, say we get out of service, could we transition a building? 00:47:45
Also say future dollars to transition into another building at some later point I think Makes me feel like. 00:47:53
An additional $17,000 to do this adaptive reuse could really benefit us because here in this building. 00:48:01
Our level of service abilities, we can look at the roads. We know where we're going, we know we're on this side of the tracks. We 00:48:10
understand it. We know what you're able to service us from that other side. And if we have us coming from both sides, we 00:48:14
understand it. 00:48:17
If we add to the scope of this study of the roads and the development coming in and we have this other building that could be at a 00:48:22
much reduced cost and we say we have something immediately and it's going to service us a long time, suddenly we're able to come 00:48:30
in from all of these angles. And as you work with not just Orem and us, we're working with London. There is this joint municipal 00:48:37
opportunity to keep serving as our serving our community in a way that we wouldn't be able to if we. 00:48:44
Did a. 00:48:52
That cost us a lot of money and reduced our ability to save up for a permanent building and then how to go out and bond for a more 00:48:54
permanent station And then? 00:48:59
More in depth study. 00:49:36
Then we have the option because it's there and we did it, you know? 00:49:38
Marijuana, the talking points. I think that's important. 00:49:42
As the community reaches out, expecting a higher level service in the community is the understanding of the cost that you spoke. 00:49:45
I mean a current $1.7 million contract significantly increases. 00:49:53
And almost double S for that matter when the station is here and then we're required to put 18 people out here and so that's 00:49:58
that's a huge budgetary perspective that. 00:50:04
The benefit of stretching this out over a couple of years would allow for the appropriate budgetary processes, so that. 00:50:10
This deadline that we had hoped to achieve. 00:50:52
In December, even though we thought we'd already hit those UH use last year that we had some time not to delay it, but rather to 00:50:55
make the right decision. Yeah. The only perspective that I want to share that I've had from your citizens is that and it it's all 00:51:02
just talking points and educating them is the perspective of putting the fire station, the first fire station. 00:51:08
At the boat. 00:51:15
Or a public. 00:51:17
There's no homes up there and so educating them to the connector and the travel time to get to the populated dense area, because I 00:51:19
think it'll it'll be real, it'll just be important that education is there based on placing it there. The community needs to 00:51:25
understand you will be required to have a second fire station. 00:51:31
Even without separating the service, your community, Yeah, absolutely. And long term, we're anticipating it. And that's why I 00:51:39
really want to see the study, because if we could do both of those needed things. 00:51:44
At the same time. 00:51:50
Or closely related, it would be incredible for our community. I mean, I think the study for projected data will really offer us 00:51:52
the data to share with the residents and say, OK, This is why we ended up making it. If that data comes back and it's no good, 00:51:58
we'll be like we're doing this, you know. 00:52:04
Council, that's my input on it. I don't know if you have anything you want to add. I'd just like to hear from Tyson's his 00:52:13
appointment as Public Safety. 00:52:17
My study was not sophisticated. 00:52:23
So here it is. 00:52:26
Safety first, but money's got to be. 00:52:30
And the adaptive plan that the mayor's outlined matches closely what I came up with. 00:52:33
I think we need to. 00:52:40
The two station approach. 00:52:43
One station being. 00:52:46
In the center of. 00:52:49
The. 00:52:51
For immediate. 00:52:53
And this building adapted to. 00:52:55
By far. 00:52:58
Move. 00:53:00
It provides both fire and safety protection in the center of our community as it now stands. 00:53:02
Then I want to put that station up north for the growth of the city. 00:53:09
The gross. 00:53:15
And if we can come up with an adaptive plan as noted. 00:53:18
Using the facilities that. 00:53:23
We cut our costs and. 00:53:25
And cost is a relation for. 00:53:29
We're a growing. 00:53:33
We have spent a lot of money on a whole lot of. 00:53:35
Bonding, again, is not in the plan. 00:53:39
That's a. 00:53:43
Unless there's a major change in the economy and we don't want that. 00:53:44
OK. 00:53:49
So to me this is a simple. 00:53:50
We look at the adaptiveness. 00:53:53
Of these two sites and possibly. 00:53:55
Get real concrete data as. 00:53:59
Delivery of service. 00:54:03
And the cost? 00:54:07
I don't. 00:54:08
All of us understand the huge cost. 00:54:10
Commanding that fire station or both? 00:54:14
Do you have any idea what a fire engine? 00:54:19
You got $2,000,000. I know those are cheap ones. Yeah, yeah. 00:54:22
We got an ambulance that cost $400,000 now, doubled in price in the last two years. It's crazy. 00:54:27
Yeah. So this is a big dollar situation that we have to manage very carefully because we've got to ensure the safety of our 00:54:34
community. 00:54:39
Diving in. 00:54:46
A variation of one of these. 00:54:49
That cost us large dollars. Sticks this in a hole. 00:54:52
And it doesn't give us flexibility. 00:54:56
Given changes coming down. 00:54:59
We can't tell you. None of us sitting up here can tell you today. 00:55:03
What's? 00:55:07
Up north. 00:55:09
In five years. 00:55:11
We think we have an idea, but that doesn't tell you what actually happens. 00:55:13
So we've got to maintain adaptability. 00:55:19
We've got to maintain. 00:55:22
Strictness. 00:55:28
In this process, that's where I do have a quick question. As we're looking at these temporary structures, in the past, we have 00:55:29
talked about potentially buying a property like a house to make sure we're housing your people. And then we could have a offshoot 00:55:36
for where you would park your vehicles like your Bay that we could attach to it. 00:55:42
How feasible? 00:55:49
Option. 00:55:52
For you guys, it's exactly what we did when we transitioned when L. 00:55:53
Left Pleasant Grove as a service area and contracted with 0. 00:55:58
They used a house just east of the pool. It's just Kitty corner from where the current Linden station sits on State Street. 00:56:02
And I think they stayed there from 2008. I think it was 2015 when Linden built that building. Oh, OK, so there were several years, 00:56:09
7-8 years before. 00:56:14
They had the money and the right location to place the station appropriately. OK, the reason why I ask and just for the council 00:56:19
benefit as we're looking at it, we've talked about this with staff so much and as we're looking at a temporary. 00:56:26
Opportunity that is a little bit. 00:56:35
But, and we're also looking at doing an adaptive reuse because this is what this building was intended for long term. 00:56:38
And that would be a shared use with our police services. So what that looks like and the. 00:56:45
With that being said, that elevates the timeline for our building downtown. 00:56:50
And so the class keep coming in for the. 00:56:56
And so if we needed to have a permanent station and a temporary station centrally that we could pay for as like a house and then 00:56:59
we are able to sell that especially as property values continue to rise, that could be a beneficial opportunity as we're looking 00:57:06
at these opportunities and we're having to weigh out costs as long as we're getting the service to the people and making sure that 00:57:14
those times are coming down and that they're able to be serviced throughout the whole community. 00:57:22
That's what we really want to. 00:57:30
Your guys's needs. 00:58:04
Along those same lines, I just want to make sure that the residents recognize. 00:58:05
Tragedy are also feeling that. 00:58:41
One thing that I'll add is that. 00:58:46
One of the reasons why I want to do this study so soon is while we always have the ability to wait. 00:58:48
If we can cut costs at any time and do permanent things in the beginning, it always saves our residents long term. So much money. 00:58:54
So that's another thing that I'll rather now stop talking about my opinion on this. 00:59:01
I hate studies. I hate spending money. 00:59:08
To study something, but there are times when it's necessary and this. 00:59:12
This decision requires good factual information. 00:59:17
That balances our costs with the needs for safety in the city. 00:59:22
I'm not comfortable without further information. 00:59:27
To that point, Councilman Blank, if if Orem 40 years ago had done more of a study and planned out from a traffic travel 00:59:31
perspective and projected into the future, we wouldn't be 5 minutes in response times, we could have been 3 1/2 minutes. 00:59:38
And so do it right. Please totally agree. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. 00:59:45
Any other comments or questions? 00:59:50
I just. 00:59:53
How fantastic it is to live in the city where people agonize over these. 00:59:55
Details and really care to plan. I feel really, really lucky to sit up here with you. 01:00:00
It's not a profession. I work in research, so I I absolutely do love studies and believe data is the closest thing to finding the 01:00:11
truth that we can. So I'm all for. I'm all for for finding more. OK, So what I got is everyone feels comfortable with doing all 01:00:17
four. Study out three. 01:00:23
I just, I guess. 01:00:30
Yes, I'll put it. 01:00:32
It is. This one would be translated to picking a fire station with this building doing adaptive reuse. So it would just be in this 01:00:35
e-mail it shows. 01:00:41
OK, so I would just be two 3/4. 01:00:48
So for the public's reference, we will be doing a study on a temporary station. 01:00:51
There would be one of those about. How would you describe it? 01:00:58
It's a member instructor, so. 01:01:02
And then we would do a study on the public works facility reuse. 01:01:04
So we designed the public Works facility up by the London Marina. 01:01:09
And then we would do another. 01:01:15
Changing this facility. 01:01:18
Into the fire station. What? 01:01:21
In the beginning and because all of those are combined together and they're not having to do one of these individually at $10,000 01:01:22
would be taken off of it. And so the total cost. 01:01:27
Would be instead of what was originally cited, which I think was like 62, would be 52 something. 01:01:33
And I don't know if that means any different with the projected rows, but you'll have to come to the microphone if you want to say 01:01:39
something. 01:01:42
Point out one thing too, as you consider based on the relationship, and I don't want to speak for Holden or Sheriff Smith, but 01:01:46
there are organizations and based on our relationship that a shared space isn't unheard of with public safety. So a combined 01:01:52
police and fire, separate quarters, but offices and patrol patrolman. 01:01:58
Offices. That's not unheard of. If that works also for you guys as expanded needs, OK, thank you. 01:02:05
On the cost savings, that was with the original 3 proposals. 01:02:15
I don't know if that was your comment that that might that 10,000 might change a little bit just based on the new new option. 01:02:19
Yeah, actually my comment was about the traffic study that we'll have to get a paper puzzle for the traffic study. Yeah, yeah, 01:02:24
because the e-mail that you sent, I think it did say. 01:02:29
It would take 10,000 off if we combined it, All right. Yeah, Yeah. But then the traffic study will have to assess that. Yeah. So 01:02:34
there is synergy and having consolidated meetings. So we'll just have to hone that in a little, a little better for you, yeah. 01:02:41
I'm sorry, I'm talking way too much for my stress and my pre planning. 01:02:50
What kind of timeline are we looking for these studies to be completed so that a decision is made on? 01:02:55
That was 9 weeks, yeah. Instead it was 9 weeks for all of it. And I thought if we needed to keep that contract, then we would just 01:03:01
be shy of it building out 90 days of modular structure. But if you guys are OK with us making this decision. 01:03:08
Built by December, its own realistic even the following year. So OK And if we needed to do something like a quick amendment to our 01:03:18
contract that says, hey, maybe we start from this 5500 mark that we just came upon so that you guys have something to hold on to, 01:03:25
we could look at something like that too and let's get it done quick. 01:03:32
Within a few weeks, maybe that'd be helpful. 01:03:40
So OK. 01:03:43
So. 01:03:45
What I'm hearing is that I recommended the two adaptive reuse studies everybody felt comfortable with, still utilizing the. 01:03:47
Umm. 01:03:57
Membrane one that Marty read off and then we will have to add additional funds for the projected out Rd. timelines for what we 01:03:58
would expect to see in those other locations. Does everybody feel comfortable with that? If so I just made a motion. 01:04:06
Now I'll make a motion to feel please comfortable to authorize the city manager to execute the task order with CR. 01:04:17
Architects for with the adjustments noted. 01:04:25
Or. 01:04:29
Review. 01:04:32
Second OK, first by Tice, second by Amber. 01:04:35
And then is this. 01:04:37
Roll call. No. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? All right. That brings us to the end of our meeting. I just need a motion surgery. 01:04:40
So moved and a second. 01:04:44
All in favor, aye. 01:04:50
Good. That's a good outcome. So whatever the decision, by Christmas. 01:04:54
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All right. We are about to get started. Thank you for being patient and waiting. 00:00:01
Are we roll? 00:00:08
Yes. OK. Today is September 13, 2023. The time is 603 and I'm going to go ahead and call the Vineyard City Council meeting into 00:00:09
session we're going to start with. 00:00:16
Pledge an Invitation by Ty Slake. 00:00:24
And then we will move on to the rest of our agenda. 00:00:28
Please stand. 00:00:31
Play. 00:00:34
I pledge allegiance to the flag. 00:00:35
Thank you. 00:00:46
Our Father in heaven, we give thee thanks for this beautiful day. 00:00:53
And for this fine city that we are privileged to live in, we ask that blessings. 00:00:57
Those who service our fire and police protection. 00:01:03
Those in the military who protect us equally well. 00:01:06
As they go about their. 00:01:10
We ask you to be with us tonight. We might discuss the affairs of this city. 00:01:13
And find those decisions which are appropriate and meaningful and. 00:01:19
Good. 00:01:24
Community in which we live. 00:01:26
We asked you to be with those who suffer or those who are ill. 00:01:28
And not with us, you say, Jesus Christ, Amen. 00:01:33
All right. We'll go ahead and move into our public comments. This is a time for anybody sitting in the audience that would like to 00:01:37
come and address the City Council on things that are not currently on the agenda. If you would like to do that, come to this 00:01:42
podium, state your name and where you're from. 00:01:47
Might as well put. 00:01:57
Daria Evans Vineyard Res. 00:01:59
I just want to get some thank yous tonight. 00:02:03
I'd like to thank the. 00:02:07
And the staff, Catherine and Bethany, for providing our leisure villas residents with this really good, informative counselor of 00:02:10
all the resources that are available in Vineyard. So thank you. I forgot to do that the last City Council meeting. 00:02:18
I also want to thank Officer Lieutenant Rockwell in the Sheriff's Department. 00:02:27
They had a patrol car. 00:02:33
At Freedom Prep Tuesday. 00:02:35
So needed. It's just really, really. 00:02:38
Dangerous. We rock it from pickleball. 00:02:42
On Thursday mornings and it's really kind of scary, so thank you for doing that. 00:02:46
I'm glad that the grocery store has been announced. 00:02:53
I want to thank Amber for the Gard. 00:02:56
Community garden e-mail that she sent out to me. Thank you very much. 00:03:01
I want to thank Tom. 00:03:07
In public works. 00:03:09
He came Saturday to help with. 00:03:11
Our September 11th cleanup. He cut down the trees along the wetlands. 00:03:16
And we helped put them in piles so the city could clean them up. That was a real good effort. 00:03:22
Think it's great that we have an opportunity as a community to help. 00:03:30
With. 00:03:35
Projects and I hope that Vineyard will continue to be a city that the community wants to be involved with. 00:03:37
I will also. 00:03:45
On my bike ride this morning I. 00:03:47
A dumpster at the Center St. trailhead. 00:03:50
Is that permanent or is that temporary? 00:03:53
We're we're planning to have it there for the long haul, so. 00:03:57
Thank you. 00:04:01
Thank you. Thank you very much. I appreciate. That was good. 00:04:03
I did follow up with contacting Pete Evans and Nate Hutchinson. 00:04:11
About my concerns with Utah City, they did answer my first. 00:04:16
And they corrected the address from Utah City to. 00:04:21
They did not correct. 00:04:25
My next two emails, I have not heard from them. 00:04:27
And that's my report. Yeah. I just want to thank everybody for all the good things that you're doing. 00:04:30
So thank you very much. Thanks, Daria. 00:04:37
Ross Blevins and those and just a little about Utah City. My wife caught him three times aggrandizing himself or Vineyard 00:04:50
Vineyard. 00:04:53
Utah City, Utah. Not Utah City, then of Utah. 00:04:58
And I think that it needs to stop. 00:05:02
Also, they're claiming to be the home of. 00:05:06
You know, where do they get that claim? That's a total falsehood. And on their website they're claiming that and. 00:05:09
You know I'm not big on Utah City. 00:05:16
But, and I'm just not big on the misrepresenting themselves. 00:05:19
And I'm not sure if. 00:05:23
Something can be done to call him Tom on it, or he's calling on it. They've ignored the last two times that she emailed them. 00:05:26
So just wanted to hammer that down a little bit more. Thank you. Thanks, Russ. 00:05:33
Thanks for that information. I think just for clarity purposes, they have 225 acres of UV on their property and I think that's why 00:05:38
they're calling it the home of UVU and I think UVU works with them a lot and feels similarly to them. So. But if we do see it on 00:05:45
the naming we we will pay attention to it. Thank you. 00:05:52
Hi, my name is Tyler Harrelson. I'm a resident in the Edgewater townhomes. 00:06:07
But today, I'm not talking for myself. I'm talking for a small group of residents that have been meeting call ourselves Strong 00:06:12
Towns. 00:06:16
Just because this is our first time. 00:06:21
Having someone talk to you, I figured I'd read our missing statement. It's to make vineyards safe, livable, inviting, accessible, 00:06:23
and financially sustainable. 00:06:27
And to give residents the freedom to choose what transportation method? 00:06:32
Best suits their needs. 00:06:35
Wanted to make two recommendations or requests. We don't really have the power. You have power so requests of you tonight the 00:06:38
first had to do with. 00:06:42
Master Transportation plan that got talked about in the last meeting. I believe it was the last meeting. 00:06:47
They talked about level of service when they were talking about the car section. We think that's a great measure of some things. 00:06:52
Just like any measuring stick, a ruler doesn't measure temperature or density or anything like that. It's not good at measuring 00:06:59
everything, but it's a good measure of. 00:07:03
Kind of the throughput of cars, how efficiently cars are moving and we wanted to recommend that you add a couple more measures 00:07:08
they presented. 00:07:12
Little chart, it says. 00:07:17
I know if you could read it, 3 different classifications of Rd. We've got mobility here and access here. 00:07:19
Level of service. 00:07:26
Sorry, you look back here. 00:07:29
They level service measures mobility very well, but it does not measure access. 00:07:33
We would like to see a measure of access. I know it's not perfect, but N level of service, so we'd like to see a measure of access 00:07:40
be brought in it. Also they didn't bring up any safety measures. 00:07:45
We'd like to see some sort of measurement of how safe they predict streets to be. 00:07:50
Again, this will probably not be perfect, but nothing is when you're predicting in the future. So that's our first recommendation 00:07:55
and I'll try to keep the second one quick as well. 00:07:59
We recommend that you come up with some sort of system to review the different roadways in our city and designate them as one of 00:08:05
two things. You can name them whatever you want, obviously. 00:08:11
We taught them streets and roads, and this is something that the national Strong Towns organization also recommends. 00:08:18
I'll define a street would be a high access low speed place that the idea is that the destination so you. 00:08:24
You don't want fast cars going through a residential neighborhood going 50 miles an hour or a business neighborhood or anything 00:08:32
like that. Some of the design features would be. 00:08:37
If there needs to be speed bumps, there would be speed bumps. You have the raised intersections in this place. You have a lot of 00:08:42
traffic calming to keep cars going slow because that keeps things pleasant. 00:08:46
It's not as loud, it's not as smelly, and most of all, it's a lot safer for people who are walking and biking and and as well as 00:08:51
people in cars, because fast cars are dangerous to other fast cars too. 00:08:56
The opposite and the exact opposite end of this would be, oh sorry. And on this chart, a street would be at the very bottom. There 00:09:03
you have all access, No concern about level of service at all because it's not a place to go through. We don't care about how fast 00:09:10
they're going through, only a place to go to. You just care about access. 00:09:16
The exact opposite end. We recommend you detonate some streets and roads as this. We call it A. 00:09:24
That's just our made-up name for it, but that's someplace that is only focused on having cars go through as fast as possible, as 00:09:31
efficiently as possible. The number. 00:09:36
Thing you want to focus on is level of service. You don't want to have businesses on the side because you're going to have cars 00:09:41
coming out of them and and slowing people down and making things dangerous. You don't want to have bikers there. You want to ban 00:09:44
the bikers because they're going to slow things down. You want to ban pedestrians there. They're going to slow things down. 00:09:48
They're going to be unsafe. 00:09:52
So that's our recommendation. 00:09:56
Right now, sorry I'm taking so long. I'm trying to wrap up right now. Some places, a lot of places have what we would call 00:09:58
strodes. 00:10:03
That's a terrible name for a terrible place. The national organization nicknamed them the Futon of Transportation FUT. 00:10:07
Trying to be a bed and trying to be a couch. And it sucks at both of them. 00:10:15
And the strobes are trying to be a street and they're trying to be road, and they suck at both of them. 00:10:20
You have the people who are trying to use it as a road. They want to go really fast. They want to get through this place. They 00:10:26
don't care about how safe it is for pedestrians or other cars, or to some extent to other cars. 00:10:32
Or bikers. They want to get rid of all the bikers. They want to get rid of all the pedestrians. They don't care how loud it is. 00:10:38
And they're always going to be mad at the people who want to add in more bikes and pedestrian infrastructure and slow down the 00:10:43
cars. By contrast, the people who want it to be St. 00:10:48
They want it to be a street. They want it to be safe for their kids to walk across the street. They want it to be safe enough that 00:10:53
their kid could throw a ball and play soccer when there aren't a ton of cars there without worry that a car is going to come 00:10:58
around the corner and and hit them. They want to be able to ride their bikes in this area. They want to be able. 00:11:03
Walk across the street whenever they feel like it and negotiate and have that less noise from the cars less. 00:11:09
Not as smelly from the cars and those sorts of places. So we recommend you don't build any strodes. We recommend that you 00:11:16
designate every roadway as either a street or a road. And if you allow me, I do have an anecdote about. 00:11:22
Personal experience in mind, in throats, if you allow me the time I know I'm already over. 00:11:29
Go ahead. OK, I have an in law his name. 00:11:34
Is not Dan, but I'm going to call him Dan because I don't want to bring him into this too much. 00:11:39
A couple years ago, he. 00:11:45
Driving down a strode in Saint George. Speed limit is 45. 00:11:49
There was a couple in a car that were. 00:11:55
I looked up the map of where they were coming out. 00:11:58
It looked like it was a like a mall and it had a bunch of restaurants, so I imagine they're probably going to lunch or having a 00:12:01
good time somewhere. 00:12:05
Dan was driving straight down the road. The couple. I guessed the guy. 00:12:12
Made a small misjudgment as. 00:12:17
How much time he needed before he could turn left. He went, turned left and slammed on his brakes. 00:12:20
But and swerved. But it didn't. 00:12:27
Because the circumstances he T boned them and they both died. 00:12:31
They were 67 both of. 00:12:38
I looked up their obituary. 00:12:41
Obituaries. 00:12:44
They were high school sweethearts, about a year away from their 50th wedding anniversary. 00:12:45
Umm. 00:12:50
The wife. 00:12:51
Her dad was still alive and the husband's mother was still alive, so two parents had to bury their kids. 00:12:52
Had eight kids and 30 grandkids. 00:12:59
And at the time, I was not involved in any Strong Towns or anything like that. I was just like, man, that sucks. 00:13:05
A side note, Dan got a broken arm. 00:13:10
Originally he was going to be charged with manslaughter 2 counts. 00:13:13
But they found the investigation found that there was no evidence of wrongdoing. He wasn't drunk, he wasn't speeding as far as 00:13:17
they could tell, and he wasn't distracted. As far as they could tell, this is in broad daylight. 00:13:21
What I was looking over, I was preparing my notes for you today. My thought of the story and I realized. 00:13:29
The city and Oregon State built a road there. They would have never been hit because they're not. Like I said, roads should not 00:13:37
have any. 00:13:40
Business access. 00:13:45
Or residential access onto this fast moving Rd. You have to go onto the street and then the street have designated intersections 00:13:47
that are very highly. 00:13:53
To go onto the roads so you minimize. 00:13:59
Injuries. 00:14:03
So they. 00:14:04
Alive, presumably today. 00:14:06
If it had been a road and if it had been a street. 00:14:09
They would have to make a lot of these. 00:14:13
Small judgment calls, but it's. 00:14:15
Low cost environment. Comparatively, no one would have ever been going 45 miles an hour. 00:14:18
They would been going 20. They would have much more time to make a better judgment call. 00:14:25
They would have had much more time to stop, and even if they did get into a collision, would have been 20 miles an hour, so they 00:14:31
probably would have been. 00:14:34
Had some whiplash and a dent in their car that would need it, but they built a Stroud instead. 00:14:38
That. 00:14:44
That's our recommendation that you do not build any more scrubs that you designate systematically. 00:14:47
Streets and roads and. 00:14:54
Have it be a public comment because it's very influential on us. I like Morgan in the scene. 00:14:56
But I would prefer to have this this kind of me talking. The group didn't talk about this, but I would prefer to have. 00:15:01
Up to someone who I elected who reflects my values and and I can be certain that they reflect my values. So thank you. The seat 00:15:07
that you brought and you talked about could you live it with Heidi so that she can attach it to our meeting. 00:15:15
Thank you for saying you're sorry, I'm sorry to hear that. 00:15:22
All right. Go ahead. 00:15:26
Next. 00:15:29
Hello, I'm Jordan Christensen. I live in the preserves. I just want to say that I participated in the Strong Town Service project 00:15:31
to repair part of the trail over by the railroad tracks. I want to clarify, we call this a service project, but it was really 95%, 00:15:38
just the Papua work team teaching us how to properly level and compact asphalt. 00:15:45
So. 00:15:53
It should really be thanking them, but I do want to say thank you for committing city resources to doing this. Ten years ago I was 00:15:54
living in a neighborhood South of BYU campus in Provo, where. 00:16:01
As if you've ever walked around there, One of the many crumbling sidewalks was right outside of our apartment, and we submitted a 00:16:08
similar request to the city to have them come repair the the collapsed sidewalk. And I was over there a couple weeks ago and I 00:16:16
noticed that they still haven't done it. It's been 10 years. 00:16:23
Surprising that they haven't ever found it in their budget to be able to do that, so thank you for. 00:16:32
Being Provo. 00:16:39
Russell living still live in the village and. 00:16:46
But once the clarification there please to me, either you the UVU owns the proper, your Utah city owns the property. 00:16:52
You said that 225 acres of UVU is on is on Utah. 00:16:59
So someone's got a business, some type of joint ownership type thing. 00:17:04
I think the way that they're describing it is that they're in a large regional development that encompasses UVU as part of the 00:17:09
partnership that they're working with and so UVU U of. 00:17:16
Are all attached to the regional development and that's what they're talking about. Is that their home, the development itself, 00:17:24
the regional development is home. 00:17:29
Those groups, I'm sure at some point they'll say their home to Huntsman Cancer Institute, even though they don't own the property 00:17:33
and that they're not you of you, but their development as they've been sharing that land and as they've been selling that land and 00:17:39
donating that land to those groups. 00:17:44
That's where that's coming in and I imagine they'll say it for the grocery store. 00:17:50
As well and any entity that comes in in the future, that's what. 00:17:54
OK. Thank you. Just like I said. 00:17:58
I think they've been misrepresenting things. Thank you. 00:18:01
Thanks. 00:18:04
All right. Any more comments? 00:18:06
No. All right. We'll go ahead and close our public comments and we'll move on to mayor and council member reports. 00:18:09
Amber. 00:18:17
Marty, yesterday's event was awesome. 00:18:18
We got a lot of positive feedback. 00:18:24
The drone show was great, the program was inspiring and I just want to thank. 00:18:28
The mayor for this wonderful idea to move, to reschedule it to the 9/11 date and to make it such a wonderful patriotic event and 00:18:34
thank staff for all their hard work, I think the community really appreciated it and I found a lot of people were really moved by 00:18:40
it. So that's it. 00:18:46
So we had our first Vineyard Youth Council meeting of this. 00:18:56
School year last night and it went so well and I just wanted. 00:19:01
Give a big shout out and gratitude to our city staff for really coming together and really helping us transition Youth Council 00:19:07
this year to to really reflect what I think we've hoped to do the. 00:19:14
However, I mean honestly, youth councils are going since the 90s but. 00:19:22
We're always growing up here, a little bit more in Vineyard and. 00:19:27
We're really excited to have the kids in our city, our youth. 00:19:31
Have a. 00:19:35
A. 00:19:38
Really get to know what government does in a real life scenario. And so they the youth that came last night. 00:19:41
Ran little elections for for spots and they're going to sit up here in their meetings in the future and run their meetings. And so 00:19:51
we have a new youth city mayor, a new youth city manager, a service chair, a recorder, a beautification chair and a meetings and 00:19:56
election chair. And while you do this announcement, I'm just going to say their names and make it official and there's 00:20:02
appointments so that they can. 00:20:07
They'll come back at some time and be sworn in, so let's do that really quick. Darius V for city manager, Braley Heath for 00:20:14
beautification chair. Ashley May for recorder, Natalie W for elections meetings, Leo S for service chair, Mackenzie S for mayor, 00:20:21
and William T for activity chair. Bye. 00:20:27
That was. 00:20:35
If there's anything that still want to be involved with it, we'll we'll take more use so they can fill out the application and 00:20:37
come to our future meetings. Meetings will be on the 1st Thursdays of the month here at 6:00 PM. 00:20:42
In the city, OK. 00:20:48
The council also attended the Utah League of Cities and Towns. 00:20:52
Each of them got to go and our staff was also there representing and meeting with cities across the state. 00:20:56
That was really great. I'm thankful that you were able to talk about the youth council. We've been having really good meetings 00:21:04
about transportation. I hope the council has had time to either send in your thoughts about the transportation or take time to 00:21:10
meet with them. That's going to be really important as they start moving into further studies. And then I'll turn a little bit of 00:21:15
time over to our city manager, Ezra. 00:21:21
Yes, just a few items. Construction is still continuing throughout the city, especially on our roadways as we put our pipelines in 00:21:29
underneath those roads. Please don't drive through cones or around cones or. 00:21:36
Just notify us if somebody knocks them down by driving through it, because it makes it really confusing on where everybody needs 00:21:44
to go, not that we've had any specific incidences of that this week. 00:21:48
And then we'd also like to welcome a few new employees. If you'll notice Pam is not sitting up there today. We have Heidi Jackman 00:21:53
who is our new Deputy Recorder. So she will be helping Pam out who has been a essentially one person show with just the part time 00:22:01
Deputy Recorder Kelly helping her out. And so as the city grows and expands that we continue to provide better service. So we're 00:22:08
very happy to have her. She comes from Alpine city government. So she has a lot of great experience and. 00:22:15
Very excited about her. 00:22:23
And then we also are welcoming Aaron Kohler. He will be filling the position of our part-time recreation coordinator. He's a BYU 00:22:24
student, so if you see him around helping out with soccer or other types of recreation sports. 00:22:31
Be sure to say hi, introduce yourself. 00:22:38
Talk out with curly hair. 00:22:40
That. 00:22:42
Thank you so much. 00:22:43
Can I add most importantly for our event? 00:22:45
Our 9/11 event. Thank you up to our sheriff and our fire department. 00:22:50
You guys made the show what it was so. 00:22:55
So sorry, I didn't say that in the begin. 00:22:59
Yes, beautiful speeches as well, all of you. So thank you. OK With that, we'll go on to our consent agenda. I just need a motion. 00:23:01
I move to approve the consent items as presented. Can I get a second second? 00:23:15
Alright, just want to make sure I don't need a roll call on this. 00:23:21
OK. All in favor, aye. Any opposed? 00:23:26
All right. We'll move on to our business item discussion and accident action fire station design options task Order and Ezra will 00:23:30
present. 00:23:35
Yes. So as we've been studying out different site options for our fire station. 00:23:43
We're coming on step two of the process, which is to do a more in depth analysis and space planning for whichever multiple sites 00:23:50
that we want to look at. 00:23:54
CRSA has been. 00:24:00
Working with us on this project and they've presented a number of different options that we could take individually or 00:24:02
collectively. 00:24:05
To proceed with the next step of this process. So that'll help us get a better idea of what the building would look like, the uses 00:24:10
inside the building, and it's an exciting next step to this planning process. So with that, there's 4/4 separate options that. 00:24:18
Are presented here. 00:24:27
Option one permanent single fire station that design costs would be $34,000 just over that. 00:24:29
That could be any site of the four different sites that we we've selected we're we're opting to look at either site one or two 00:24:38
that seem to be the the more immediate sites that will be ready for for that to if that's the option we want to go with to. 00:24:45
Move. 00:24:53
Sprung station analysis, So. 00:24:56
Structure that is. 00:25:00
A little bit less. It's not brick and mortar, but it's a. 00:25:03
50 year. 00:25:06
Station that would be more of a membrane structure on the outside. We can look at a number of sites for that. So the proposal that 00:25:08
we received has space at essentially 2 sites, two separate sites for those again sites one and two. 00:25:15
Um. 00:25:24
The public works facility reuse analysis, so that is repurposing of our existing public works building. 00:25:24
To essentially convert that into a fire. 00:25:30
And then also another proposal for repurposing of this building for a fire station. So those are four options that we have 00:25:33
presented we could. 00:25:38
Again, pick a number of. 00:25:44
With the sprung station analysis that the cost that you see there is per site, so if you want to look at 2 sites for that, it 00:25:46
would just be double the cost that's on there. 00:25:51
That those are following option there is a little bit of a discount for if we wanted to do multiple sites at once, we could 00:25:56
provide that instruction multiple options at once. 00:26:02
Umm. 00:26:08
And I would just it would kind of be like a package deal for some of the work that will. 00:26:08
They can do both at the same time essentially, and save some cost there. 00:26:14
And with that, feel free to ask any questions we have Chief Sanderson here as well as well as the CR say. 00:26:17
We are all here to help answer any questions. 00:26:26
OK. Any questions for Ezra? 00:26:30
Might have questions for. 00:26:36
C. 00:26:40
I guess I'm wondering because I was looking at our study that we've we already have and I'm just gonna up to the mic if you'd 00:26:41
like, wondering if we could get more details on what we're gonna see because. 00:26:47
On, for example, the permanent single station or the temporary station by City Hall. 00:26:54
It's like we have a lot of information and so I'm just kind of. 00:27:01
Wondering what more we're going to be getting from an additional study? 00:27:05
Yeah. Thank you. I'm Laura Smith. I'm an architect with Sierra State. So the the analysis that we did before was about. 00:27:09
The total footprint on a site, so we are looking at. 00:27:19
Will you know the square footage that on your site and can you get your trucks and then can you get your trucks out and so by 00:27:22
looking at those four sites, looking at response times? 00:27:28
It was a side analysis. Really unfair this. 00:27:34
Looking at a floor plan. 00:27:39
Umm. 00:27:42
And then getting an accurate cost of what a floor plan would be. So um. 00:27:43
It was just. 00:27:48
Much broader scale. 00:27:49
And now that you've honed down sort of some options of wanting to do temporary station versus wanting to do some adaptive reuse 00:27:51
analysis. 00:27:56
It's very much. 00:28:02
Based on a. 00:28:03
How can this been in the building and what does that cost? 00:28:05
So that's why it's it's more of a schematic design programming. 00:28:08
Analysis versus the site analysis that we did before. 00:28:12
I think that covers my question. 00:28:17
I think for the Council. 00:28:20
I would like to see this less narrow down a little bit more. 00:28:23
I think that doing. 00:28:27
More detailed site plans is a little. It's like I feel like it's excessive when we could maybe narrow it down and have 00:28:30
conversations which ones were more leaning towards. 00:28:35
Like I have, I have some opinions on a site idea that maybe I don't want as much, but I don't want to block out information if the 00:28:43
rest of the council is super interested in it. 00:28:49
And so I was just hoping to have that conversation. 00:28:55
Do you have one that you prefer? 00:28:58
I prefer. 00:29:02
I prefer a more centralized location. I feel that if we go up north. 00:29:06
By the Linden Marina, I feel like we're only getting 180 degrees. 00:29:12
Range or service area. 00:29:17
And it doesn't. According to this study that we already have. It wouldn't even serve us Vineyard Grove Park. 00:29:20
Within the four minute criteria. 00:29:26
And. 00:29:29
As of right now, maybe down the road in a couple years as we develop our downtown, it would have quicker roadways. 00:29:30
But if we're going to build something sooner than later? 00:29:37
I don't see the purpose of building something that far north when my house will still get serviced by probably station 3. 00:29:42
In. 00:29:49
And so I kind of think that as a community as a whole, if we're going to build a station now, it should service the community as a 00:29:50
whole. 00:29:54
I would say in response to that that the ARC GIS didn't actually review any of the study, any of the roads that were going in 00:29:58
presently and it wasn't a projected analysis. And so they couldn't see what roads were coming up with a time frame with the roads 00:30:05
that are being currently built that would be built before the station, I think that time. 00:30:12
Difference would show something else with that, I think with this task order that we're doing, I would love to see a proposed. 00:30:20
Projected timeline of the roads that are currently under construction and the roads that are coming into construction, so that we 00:30:28
can see what that looks like because well, I feel what you're saying is really pertinent. I also know that we're building this for 00:30:35
2530 years and so we want to make sure that the location that we choose. 00:30:41
Is good for the long term. 00:30:48
And. 00:30:51
So I would, I would say that we include that in. 00:30:52
So are you feeling you want to move forward with all four site plans, I think that? 00:30:55
There's four options, and the option for the permanent single fire station design is one that you would do. 00:31:03
If you had a site in mind, the 4th one that came in today for the City Hall, you're doing an adaptive reuse analysis is choosing 00:31:11
that site. So it would be 3. But my recommendation would be that we do 2 site adaptive reuse analysis with the projected roadways 00:31:19
of both scenario one and two. 00:31:27
And I would also like to include that with the four minute driving distance at the 5:00 PM time frame. 00:31:36
And I recognize that currently in our contract with Orem, we have a temporary building that we have agreed to build at this time 00:31:43
because in 2022 we thought our ER US were at 5500 units. 00:31:50
With our recent audit of ER use, we're not actually at that number. And so I'm hoping that Orem has some flexibility in that just 00:31:59
because I see a permanent fire station as being more productive for our long term benefit than a temporary. But I totally did if 00:32:06
we need to meet certain certain time constraints or if somebody would like to look at the viability of a temporary structure. So 00:32:13
I'm not throwing it out because I recognize it is. 00:32:20
Doing all of it, it's like a 17,000 cost difference between one versus many. And I I see that that $17,000 that could make a 00:32:28
significant difference between millions of dollars in infrastructure costs being worth. 00:32:36
Worth. 00:32:44
And. 00:32:46
I have a question for Laura and then for Chief Sanderson. Laura, with what the mayor just described, her desire to get more of the 00:32:48
roadways and the timelines for future roadways, is that something that you'll be prepared to? 00:32:55
Satisfying. 00:33:02
Yes, we have a transportation analysis on our team. 00:33:06
That was not necessarily included and and what we proposed thus far, but he's already on our team and he's he's ready to to put a 00:33:10
proposal, a few proposals together for that. So So what Mayor Fulmer and I talked about this morning is that we did an in house 00:33:16
analysis based on the information that was available to us on GIS, but that transportation expert can create his own analysis. So 00:33:23
we'll just have to include that. 00:33:30
With the proposal just to talk about Site 3 and kind of add to what I was saying, I wrote some of my thoughts down. But Site 3 is 00:33:37
on the east side of the Union Pacific Railroad line. So that's 1200 N on the flagship property and it has a road connection 00:33:44
timeline that I really feel is insufficient to meet the service demands of the community. The connectivity location was actually 00:33:52
pulled in the study out to Geneva. And so we can't actually see the benefits of the times of how it's servicing people. 00:34:00
Because while it would be wonderful if our planned connections with 1200 and all of those things, no, we're all timely. We're 00:34:07
coming in at a timely phase. 00:34:12
I worry about putting something out there that's actually in the internal site and then we don't reach those timelines and 00:34:18
suddenly we missed that service, that level of service. 00:34:23
I think that you repeat that last thing you said. 00:34:29
Which last thing you were saying that? 00:34:33
The very last sentence, like putting something in the centralized location, went service. Everything OK no, what I'm saying is. 00:34:36
In the map of the land which we don't have it on, but in this scenario. 00:34:43
1200 N and where we would have it is lined up with about 1600 N. 00:34:49
Where we would have if we did the public works. That's number three, right? 00:34:54
That's no, I'm talking about scenario 3 for the flagship. Oh, I'm sorry, I'm looking at the e-mail. So you're talking about on the 00:34:59
study scenario 3? 00:35:03
And while we have our overpasses, you never know if there's some kind of emergency that comes up, and it would be great to have 00:35:41
something. 00:35:44
The West side of the tracks, I think. 00:35:47
The reason why I don't just want to pick one. 00:35:51
Over the analysis. 00:35:54
Of both scenario one and two is that I just feel like relaxing information regarding the level of service on driving distance and 00:35:57
the potential significant cost difference. 00:36:02
The cost difference is makes or breaks it for us because it's the difference between bonding or. 00:36:07
Really extending our timeline if we're not able to and so having this additional option at the public workstation where we could 00:36:15
have something. 00:36:20
That could potentially service us long term, would be fabulous but. 00:36:24
It's fairly similar, but if it's at a serious cost reduction, we could also transform this building and the reason why I used or 00:37:08
ask for adaptive use on this building. 00:37:14
Is because right now the proposed site plan is to build off site over in our park corridor and it takes out part of our park 00:37:20
corridor and then there's the shared facility that we have to figure out parking. But if we transform this building into a shared 00:37:25
use and we put the fire. 00:37:31
Somewhere within this parking lot and we have these two exits that come out, we can still maintain the park and then do shared 00:37:37
parking on that side. So potentially we could move up our total timeline for completion of a fire station now long term. 00:37:45
We would now have a central location on. 00:37:53
A location on the north, all on the West side, and then on Orem we're still being serviced right across the I-15. I think it's at 00:37:56
Station 3. 00:38:00
These at some point we decide, OK, we want to move into our own ability to serve ourselves, or potentially just for a different 00:38:06
location. Because our roadways come in on the east side, the Public Works building will have been transformed with filtration and 00:38:12
dividers and walls. 00:38:19
That will allow the public works building to be used in a way it can't currently be used right now. In fact, some of the requests 00:38:26
that are coming in is to have additional space put on site so that we can facilitate some of the work zones that we were doing 00:38:33
because of the lack of filtration. And so it would be great if at some point if we wanted to move a fire station. 00:38:40
To the east side, on 1200, we would have a fire station on the northeast and a fire station on the southwest. 00:38:47
That was on both sides of our track lines, in case we ever did. 00:38:58
Separate ourselves from Orem. So in that scenario that you just said, I'm going to try to recap it because I want to make sure I 00:39:03
understood you're you're. 00:39:07
We would make it at the public works facility and then possibly transition to a full a single station in the East Geneva if we if 00:39:12
we wanted to. What I'm saying is if all of a sudden we moved out of our contract and we saw a need at this time to capture 00:39:18
something on the east side because we really need it on the West side. If at that time we saw it to capture on the east side like 00:39:24
in 15 years if Chief Sanderson leaves us and we're like what happened to you, you know, where did you go? And we decided, OK, 00:39:31
we're going to do this by ourselves. 00:39:37
And we wanted to transition it at this time, the city would have grown enough that the public works facility would be able to 00:39:44
people could move back into the public works facility and then. 00:39:50
Transfer that money onto the east side of the 1200 N location and now you would have complete coverage of both locations. Where 00:39:56
are you just? I'm sure you don't have an answer for this, but where are you proposing to put the public works team? 00:40:03
We would then have a gathering place that they could go back to. So not only would they be coming back for a team, but they'd have 00:40:46
on site offices in those spaces as well. 00:40:51
Steve Sanderson, Can I ask. 00:40:57
Thank you. 00:40:59
But I have to tell you after the 9/11. 00:41:01
UH program last night. 00:41:03
And recognizing like the last 30 people that I've. 00:41:05
I'm pretty old and so I can't guarantee you how long I'm going to be around. 00:41:10
I mean, these kids don't even remember they weren't even born with 911. And so it's strange to me. 00:41:13
Strange. 00:41:20
Can we talk about our contractual obligations now that our units are actually not? 00:41:21
So that we didn't pass the 5500 units in. 00:41:28
Yeah. So the last conversation we had sat down with Ezra and Bran, the city manager with Orem, was that we're we want to make sure 00:41:32
the vineyard makes the right decision. 00:41:36
And so any kind of time crunch that we felt we were under. 00:41:41
I mean, I think we just barely cross. 00:41:45
The number now, which we thought we crossed two years ago to trigger the. 00:41:48
And so. 00:41:52
There's really no there's really no rush. The rush comes from response times and the call for service from your community. 00:41:54
And I mean, I I'm prepared to just talk some numbers really quickly if now is a good time or yeah, that would be great. I actually 00:42:01
request the numbers and I was hoping they would send them with you because I haven't received them. So that's that would be 00:42:07
wonderful. Yeah. I just want to talk really quickly calls for service, so year 2022 and this is calendar year. 00:42:13
There were 339 EMS requests and 117 fire requests for a total of 456 calls. 00:42:20
So I mean, we're barely 1.5 calls a day. 00:42:28
Given that kind of call volume? 00:42:32
And then year to date for 2023, we sit at 262 E. 00:42:34
And 55 Fire with a total of 317. 00:42:39
And. 00:42:42
Quick math, we're pretty flat which is interesting to me because I would have expected based off the call volume in the traffic 00:42:44
that those numbers would be going up. But they're, I mean by the end of the year I would say that they're probably. 00:42:49
Going to be. 00:42:56
Now when you look at response times and now our response times are based off the fiscal year, so I mean it. 00:42:59
It all works with the numbers, however, so July 22 to June of 23. 00:43:06
For Orem within Orems geographical boundary, so every station there's four stations 123 and four. They all have a designed area 00:43:12
that's based on travel and response time so that we can service the the community as quick as possible. 00:43:19
The average. 00:43:26
Within Orem is 6 minutes. 00:43:28
And I mean, the study shows that. I mean the goal. 00:43:31
Less than 6 minutes for sure, but with the study that we've done based off of the locations. 00:43:36
Stations within Ore. 00:43:42
Along with the traffic pattern. 00:43:44
Orem's never going to meet. You know the the three to 4 1/2 minute response time national average expectation for. 00:43:46
Without. 00:43:55
You know, building 4 more fire stations and then trying. 00:43:56
Place those appropriately. It's just not feasible and so even within. 00:44:00
Jurisdiction with our four stations responding in the four areas in Orem. 00:44:05
We're significantly slower than what? 00:44:10
I have an expectation level for our service. 00:44:13
When you look at the. 00:44:16
Average to Vineyard for those 1.41.5 calls per day worth 7 minutes and 32 seconds. 00:44:18
So significantly longer, I mean 90 seconds, you might think that 90 seconds doesn't seem like a long time, but you got a dispatch 00:44:25
process, you got a call taker process that that just continue to add to that. 00:44:31
The only things that we can do from the service level is. 00:44:37
Dispatch the call quicker means our dispatch center has to be more proactive in obtaining a name and an address and an issue to 00:44:41
dispatch fire or police. 00:44:47
Or medical. And then we have to get her **** out of the station faster. 00:44:53
We really can't drive faster. I mean with traffic, even when we turn our lights and siren on. I encourage our guys to go the speed 00:44:58
limit. 00:45:01
Because big heavy trucks outside that. 00:45:05
Speed limit. We just end up crashing and we don't get to the call anyway, so we can't affect the travel time. There's little 00:45:08
things that we can do with lights and changing signals, but in the long run the scope is quick for dispatch and get out of the 00:45:14
station faster. 00:45:19
Currently July. 00:45:26
Umm. 00:45:30
Or. 00:45:31
Yet June to. 00:45:33
I'm sorry those those times initially that I gave you were 21 to 20? 00:45:39
I'm sorry. And it wasn't 22 to 23. So this is the interesting thing that we stayed flat. 00:45:44
So in 21 to 22 our Orem times was 5 minutes and 35 seconds. 00:45:51
Vineyards times with six minutes and 50 seconds. So the interesting thing is if you. 00:45:56
I hadn't screwed up the numbers is we're running the same kind of volume, but we're slower and everybody can understand that if 00:46:02
you go drive the road, it'll be 28 minutes to drive from Orem City Center Center St. and. 00:46:09
To get to this meeting and so even though the call volume stay. 00:46:15
It's just a much slower response and so of all you stay the same, the trend going up in our response. 00:46:20
I think suggests the urgency to get us out into a serviceable area sooner than later. 00:46:26
Umm. 00:46:33
Regardless. 00:46:34
But honestly, it's us supporting whatever decision you guys make and that decision is. 00:46:36
Service in your community. 00:46:42
Well, and we, I think we all feel that. I know that just looking at the ER you study, it's really hard to calculate that off of 00:46:45
level of service demand because we're we might have just hit that mark, but we want better service and we want to meet the numbers 00:46:52
that you're talking about. And I think This is why it's important to me to say what can we get in that's permanent that takes us 00:47:00
away from a $20 million long term and brings us back to a four to $9 million thing that we can provide service to our community. 00:47:07
At two points of our community and and provide that service right now that we just don't have the ability to do. 00:47:15
You know, and that's not just costs of the stations that we end up having to pay for. It's the $3,000,000 that it takes to run 00:47:22
those stations and making sure that we're up to date on all of those resources and keeping those things going. And so just as I'm 00:47:30
looking at from a fiscally smart situation of how do we stretch those dollars, how do we provide the most service over time. And 00:47:37
if we did want to switch it, say we get out of service, could we transition a building? 00:47:45
Also say future dollars to transition into another building at some later point I think Makes me feel like. 00:47:53
An additional $17,000 to do this adaptive reuse could really benefit us because here in this building. 00:48:01
Our level of service abilities, we can look at the roads. We know where we're going, we know we're on this side of the tracks. We 00:48:10
understand it. We know what you're able to service us from that other side. And if we have us coming from both sides, we 00:48:14
understand it. 00:48:17
If we add to the scope of this study of the roads and the development coming in and we have this other building that could be at a 00:48:22
much reduced cost and we say we have something immediately and it's going to service us a long time, suddenly we're able to come 00:48:30
in from all of these angles. And as you work with not just Orem and us, we're working with London. There is this joint municipal 00:48:37
opportunity to keep serving as our serving our community in a way that we wouldn't be able to if we. 00:48:44
Did a. 00:48:52
That cost us a lot of money and reduced our ability to save up for a permanent building and then how to go out and bond for a more 00:48:54
permanent station And then? 00:48:59
More in depth study. 00:49:36
Then we have the option because it's there and we did it, you know? 00:49:38
Marijuana, the talking points. I think that's important. 00:49:42
As the community reaches out, expecting a higher level service in the community is the understanding of the cost that you spoke. 00:49:45
I mean a current $1.7 million contract significantly increases. 00:49:53
And almost double S for that matter when the station is here and then we're required to put 18 people out here and so that's 00:49:58
that's a huge budgetary perspective that. 00:50:04
The benefit of stretching this out over a couple of years would allow for the appropriate budgetary processes, so that. 00:50:10
This deadline that we had hoped to achieve. 00:50:52
In December, even though we thought we'd already hit those UH use last year that we had some time not to delay it, but rather to 00:50:55
make the right decision. Yeah. The only perspective that I want to share that I've had from your citizens is that and it it's all 00:51:02
just talking points and educating them is the perspective of putting the fire station, the first fire station. 00:51:08
At the boat. 00:51:15
Or a public. 00:51:17
There's no homes up there and so educating them to the connector and the travel time to get to the populated dense area, because I 00:51:19
think it'll it'll be real, it'll just be important that education is there based on placing it there. The community needs to 00:51:25
understand you will be required to have a second fire station. 00:51:31
Even without separating the service, your community, Yeah, absolutely. And long term, we're anticipating it. And that's why I 00:51:39
really want to see the study, because if we could do both of those needed things. 00:51:44
At the same time. 00:51:50
Or closely related, it would be incredible for our community. I mean, I think the study for projected data will really offer us 00:51:52
the data to share with the residents and say, OK, This is why we ended up making it. If that data comes back and it's no good, 00:51:58
we'll be like we're doing this, you know. 00:52:04
Council, that's my input on it. I don't know if you have anything you want to add. I'd just like to hear from Tyson's his 00:52:13
appointment as Public Safety. 00:52:17
My study was not sophisticated. 00:52:23
So here it is. 00:52:26
Safety first, but money's got to be. 00:52:30
And the adaptive plan that the mayor's outlined matches closely what I came up with. 00:52:33
I think we need to. 00:52:40
The two station approach. 00:52:43
One station being. 00:52:46
In the center of. 00:52:49
The. 00:52:51
For immediate. 00:52:53
And this building adapted to. 00:52:55
By far. 00:52:58
Move. 00:53:00
It provides both fire and safety protection in the center of our community as it now stands. 00:53:02
Then I want to put that station up north for the growth of the city. 00:53:09
The gross. 00:53:15
And if we can come up with an adaptive plan as noted. 00:53:18
Using the facilities that. 00:53:23
We cut our costs and. 00:53:25
And cost is a relation for. 00:53:29
We're a growing. 00:53:33
We have spent a lot of money on a whole lot of. 00:53:35
Bonding, again, is not in the plan. 00:53:39
That's a. 00:53:43
Unless there's a major change in the economy and we don't want that. 00:53:44
OK. 00:53:49
So to me this is a simple. 00:53:50
We look at the adaptiveness. 00:53:53
Of these two sites and possibly. 00:53:55
Get real concrete data as. 00:53:59
Delivery of service. 00:54:03
And the cost? 00:54:07
I don't. 00:54:08
All of us understand the huge cost. 00:54:10
Commanding that fire station or both? 00:54:14
Do you have any idea what a fire engine? 00:54:19
You got $2,000,000. I know those are cheap ones. Yeah, yeah. 00:54:22
We got an ambulance that cost $400,000 now, doubled in price in the last two years. It's crazy. 00:54:27
Yeah. So this is a big dollar situation that we have to manage very carefully because we've got to ensure the safety of our 00:54:34
community. 00:54:39
Diving in. 00:54:46
A variation of one of these. 00:54:49
That cost us large dollars. Sticks this in a hole. 00:54:52
And it doesn't give us flexibility. 00:54:56
Given changes coming down. 00:54:59
We can't tell you. None of us sitting up here can tell you today. 00:55:03
What's? 00:55:07
Up north. 00:55:09
In five years. 00:55:11
We think we have an idea, but that doesn't tell you what actually happens. 00:55:13
So we've got to maintain adaptability. 00:55:19
We've got to maintain. 00:55:22
Strictness. 00:55:28
In this process, that's where I do have a quick question. As we're looking at these temporary structures, in the past, we have 00:55:29
talked about potentially buying a property like a house to make sure we're housing your people. And then we could have a offshoot 00:55:36
for where you would park your vehicles like your Bay that we could attach to it. 00:55:42
How feasible? 00:55:49
Option. 00:55:52
For you guys, it's exactly what we did when we transitioned when L. 00:55:53
Left Pleasant Grove as a service area and contracted with 0. 00:55:58
They used a house just east of the pool. It's just Kitty corner from where the current Linden station sits on State Street. 00:56:02
And I think they stayed there from 2008. I think it was 2015 when Linden built that building. Oh, OK, so there were several years, 00:56:09
7-8 years before. 00:56:14
They had the money and the right location to place the station appropriately. OK, the reason why I ask and just for the council 00:56:19
benefit as we're looking at it, we've talked about this with staff so much and as we're looking at a temporary. 00:56:26
Opportunity that is a little bit. 00:56:35
But, and we're also looking at doing an adaptive reuse because this is what this building was intended for long term. 00:56:38
And that would be a shared use with our police services. So what that looks like and the. 00:56:45
With that being said, that elevates the timeline for our building downtown. 00:56:50
And so the class keep coming in for the. 00:56:56
And so if we needed to have a permanent station and a temporary station centrally that we could pay for as like a house and then 00:56:59
we are able to sell that especially as property values continue to rise, that could be a beneficial opportunity as we're looking 00:57:06
at these opportunities and we're having to weigh out costs as long as we're getting the service to the people and making sure that 00:57:14
those times are coming down and that they're able to be serviced throughout the whole community. 00:57:22
That's what we really want to. 00:57:30
Your guys's needs. 00:58:04
Along those same lines, I just want to make sure that the residents recognize. 00:58:05
Tragedy are also feeling that. 00:58:41
One thing that I'll add is that. 00:58:46
One of the reasons why I want to do this study so soon is while we always have the ability to wait. 00:58:48
If we can cut costs at any time and do permanent things in the beginning, it always saves our residents long term. So much money. 00:58:54
So that's another thing that I'll rather now stop talking about my opinion on this. 00:59:01
I hate studies. I hate spending money. 00:59:08
To study something, but there are times when it's necessary and this. 00:59:12
This decision requires good factual information. 00:59:17
That balances our costs with the needs for safety in the city. 00:59:22
I'm not comfortable without further information. 00:59:27
To that point, Councilman Blank, if if Orem 40 years ago had done more of a study and planned out from a traffic travel 00:59:31
perspective and projected into the future, we wouldn't be 5 minutes in response times, we could have been 3 1/2 minutes. 00:59:38
And so do it right. Please totally agree. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. 00:59:45
Any other comments or questions? 00:59:50
I just. 00:59:53
How fantastic it is to live in the city where people agonize over these. 00:59:55
Details and really care to plan. I feel really, really lucky to sit up here with you. 01:00:00
It's not a profession. I work in research, so I I absolutely do love studies and believe data is the closest thing to finding the 01:00:11
truth that we can. So I'm all for. I'm all for for finding more. OK, So what I got is everyone feels comfortable with doing all 01:00:17
four. Study out three. 01:00:23
I just, I guess. 01:00:30
Yes, I'll put it. 01:00:32
It is. This one would be translated to picking a fire station with this building doing adaptive reuse. So it would just be in this 01:00:35
e-mail it shows. 01:00:41
OK, so I would just be two 3/4. 01:00:48
So for the public's reference, we will be doing a study on a temporary station. 01:00:51
There would be one of those about. How would you describe it? 01:00:58
It's a member instructor, so. 01:01:02
And then we would do a study on the public works facility reuse. 01:01:04
So we designed the public Works facility up by the London Marina. 01:01:09
And then we would do another. 01:01:15
Changing this facility. 01:01:18
Into the fire station. What? 01:01:21
In the beginning and because all of those are combined together and they're not having to do one of these individually at $10,000 01:01:22
would be taken off of it. And so the total cost. 01:01:27
Would be instead of what was originally cited, which I think was like 62, would be 52 something. 01:01:33
And I don't know if that means any different with the projected rows, but you'll have to come to the microphone if you want to say 01:01:39
something. 01:01:42
Point out one thing too, as you consider based on the relationship, and I don't want to speak for Holden or Sheriff Smith, but 01:01:46
there are organizations and based on our relationship that a shared space isn't unheard of with public safety. So a combined 01:01:52
police and fire, separate quarters, but offices and patrol patrolman. 01:01:58
Offices. That's not unheard of. If that works also for you guys as expanded needs, OK, thank you. 01:02:05
On the cost savings, that was with the original 3 proposals. 01:02:15
I don't know if that was your comment that that might that 10,000 might change a little bit just based on the new new option. 01:02:19
Yeah, actually my comment was about the traffic study that we'll have to get a paper puzzle for the traffic study. Yeah, yeah, 01:02:24
because the e-mail that you sent, I think it did say. 01:02:29
It would take 10,000 off if we combined it, All right. Yeah, Yeah. But then the traffic study will have to assess that. Yeah. So 01:02:34
there is synergy and having consolidated meetings. So we'll just have to hone that in a little, a little better for you, yeah. 01:02:41
I'm sorry, I'm talking way too much for my stress and my pre planning. 01:02:50
What kind of timeline are we looking for these studies to be completed so that a decision is made on? 01:02:55
That was 9 weeks, yeah. Instead it was 9 weeks for all of it. And I thought if we needed to keep that contract, then we would just 01:03:01
be shy of it building out 90 days of modular structure. But if you guys are OK with us making this decision. 01:03:08
Built by December, its own realistic even the following year. So OK And if we needed to do something like a quick amendment to our 01:03:18
contract that says, hey, maybe we start from this 5500 mark that we just came upon so that you guys have something to hold on to, 01:03:25
we could look at something like that too and let's get it done quick. 01:03:32
Within a few weeks, maybe that'd be helpful. 01:03:40
So OK. 01:03:43
So. 01:03:45
What I'm hearing is that I recommended the two adaptive reuse studies everybody felt comfortable with, still utilizing the. 01:03:47
Umm. 01:03:57
Membrane one that Marty read off and then we will have to add additional funds for the projected out Rd. timelines for what we 01:03:58
would expect to see in those other locations. Does everybody feel comfortable with that? If so I just made a motion. 01:04:06
Now I'll make a motion to feel please comfortable to authorize the city manager to execute the task order with CR. 01:04:17
Architects for with the adjustments noted. 01:04:25
Or. 01:04:29
Review. 01:04:32
Second OK, first by Tice, second by Amber. 01:04:35
And then is this. 01:04:37
Roll call. No. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? All right. That brings us to the end of our meeting. I just need a motion surgery. 01:04:40
So moved and a second. 01:04:44
All in favor, aye. 01:04:50
Good. That's a good outcome. So whatever the decision, by Christmas. 01:04:54
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